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Atlanta Hawks Alley-oop to Voters

The Good News Podcast

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Atlanta Hawks Alley-oop to Voters

"Hi I'm calling your host for the good news podcast and I'm Neil the other host? The good news podcast is your source for good. News Fun Stories Auditory Delight and Sonic Joy. We're bringing you all of this goodness from beautiful downtown Chicago. Today I'm delighted to share some good news related to voting of all things. The city of Atlanta is on track to have a gigantic new place to vote in upcoming elections. The Atlanta Hawks have offered up the state farm arena as the largest polling place in Atlanta and potentially the country for voting. The idea was spurred on after the sub optimal voting earlier in June where people were forced to wait for hours to cast their vote. For the players and staff, the hope that this can help voters who have been disenfranchised in the past, particularly black voters vote easier in November. The players have graciously agreed to foot the bill for the workers who will be there at the state farm arena, ensuring their staff enough to help things run smoothly arena staff will receive additional training to volunteer as poll workers and help out on days when people are voting the Fulton County commissioners in charge of voting are understandably. Added to have such a logistically beneficial location added to their stable. With covid nineteen, still being a very real issue and part of the voting planning process, the arena will easily accommodate voting machines separated by at least six feet, even when they're normally right up next to each other congrats to the hawks for having such a great idea, maybe more arenas and teams will get in on the action in the months leading up to the election. Thanks for listening. Do you have good news incredible or maybe WanNa? Tell us a joke or idea excellent. Email us at hello at the good news PODCASTS DOT FM. Or leaves voicemail at seven, seven, three, two, one, seven, zero, one, five six. You can also tweet us at the good, news, pot, and follow us on instagram. And if you love the good news, podcasts think about supporting us on our. Page must of our music is by Paddington bear.

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Trae Young (05-29-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Trae Young (05-29-19)

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Mike Breen will be on the call for the mothership. They'll do the play by play. Breen will join us a little bit later on Reggie wishes Miller, will stop by in the Atlanta Hawks guard trae young will join us coming up shortly here. Eight seven seven three DP show Email address, teepee. Dan, Patrick dot com Twitter handle at DP show. We'll have a poll question for you stat of the day. Play of the day. Say good morning to our radio partners. Now numbering three hundred sixty around America and our TV partners. Be our live. That's Bleacher report, live dot com. Streaming for free all three hours and of course audience network. That's channel two thirty nine on direct TV the big NBA news yesterday was Kevin Durant has made the trip to Toronto. Game one of the finals despite that calf injury. He's not going to play, but it adds to surreal feeling around this series already because it's not just about the matchup. Everybody's trying to figure out what Katie is thinking next year. And the same can be said about the raptors star quite Leonard. We cover the NBA finals these days, but the final seems like a prelude to the real drama. And that is the start of free agency on July first. If the warriors win is Katie more or less likely to leave as coli already made up his mind. No matter what happens in this NBA finals, then you get the chain reaction because once Durant, and coli decide where they're going players like Kyrie Irving and Kemba Walker could be next. And then there's the matter of seven game series in the NBA finals. So enjoy the teams while you can because there's a good chance. We're about to see some big changes throughout the NBA or at least it feels like. That's what we're hoping for would've Katy decides to stay what if Colli? Decides to stay. But if she decides to stay, but if Kemba decides to stay might be kind of a boring offseason there and might be, hey, Jimmy Butler is going to the Lakers. Okay. All of this talk, and we've been talking for months now about what's going to happen, this offseason. Oh, seismic shift. Could we change the power struggle in the NBA? Could we be sending more talent eastward? Yeah. We could could be sending more talent westward if kyri decides to go to the Lakers or collide decides to go to the clippers by the way, Vegas has odds on where? Kawhi Leonard could end up in the clippers are the prohibitive favorites here long with the Knicks in there. The Lakers are in there as well. And then there's of course, he could stay in Toronto. Yes. Paul, this kind of reminds me last summer. When in June? Everyone thought Paul George we're gonna leave Oklahoma. You know, he's like going to stop in for a year to Oklahoma get healthy. Join the Lakers clippers and he always wanted to member. We all we thought years ago. He when he left Indiana, Indiana's trading because he's going to go to the Lakers, and then he's like, knack, make a whole bunch more dough by staying in Oklahoma City, and I think we forget about the money. Sometimes we, we look at the destination, if he had been on the first or second, or third team all NBA got in that supermax deal. He might still be in Indiana, which is interesting, the as a side note on that, but yeah, we keep looking for what's going to happen in the off season. Meanwhile, I do think this will be a very competitive NBA finals. And I'm in the minority here in maybe I'm just hoping for something here. I do think Toronto has the defensive ability to slow the. Game down in make it interesting. And then you have coli I don't know what, you know, Golden State's going to do with him a variety of guys on him. But with no, Kevin Durant. That's why I feel like as different as Golden State is unique, as they are when he's not in the lineup it feels like Toronto has a really good chance here. You know, they got everybody playing they got depth and Golden State. We're going to find out how good their depth is because it was pretty good in the last series, but it's going to have to step up to the challenge in this one as well. But there's some interesting matchups, you know, who's guarding staff who's guarding clay whose garden cli- like we always get caught up in those things. But it sometimes, you know, Seok him you know, who is he guarding who's guarding? Him is Casale going to prove to be, you know, good consistent. What's going to happen? With boogie cousins does boogie play in this part of the reason why Toronto got Mark assault. Was because they were concerned when they matched up with Golden State, if they did in the finals, it would be against boogie. Cousin believe it or not that, that was part of the logic that they wanted to get Kosov boogie stopper. I guess. Well, they wanted they wanted to make sure boogie was out on the perimeter against Marcus all shooting those threes. Yes, mclovin is Marcus hall even going to play. I mean they're going to tear him apart because they give Steph curry when he gets a seven footer autumn. It is like, well, the key is not to switch on Steph curry, that, that's the king, but he's in a slump. He gets a center which on him. So if you don't switch on him, how do you cover them? Well, we're gonna find out because Fred vanfleet is going to be all over him. Yeah. Fred vanfleet is going to be all over. All right. So NBA finals starting tomorrow. We'll check in with Mike brain. He's calling the action for ABC spin. He'll join us coming up the Magic Johnson story. I don't even know how to describe it. I mean. This is like a bio-pic here. But magic with his Laker career in the front office. And now on the outside looking in but back on the inside looking out last night with Stephen a Smith and Michael wilpon. I guess they were supposed to be previewing the NBA finals that was the that was the veil or the mask that they were wearing with this because this was all about. Let's get magic on and let him refute. Our story on ESPN Baxter homes, I felt bad for Baxter homes because he spent a lot of time did a lot of legwork a lot of investigative reporting, and I'll use the word reporting here because that seems to be rare nowadays. And he came away with well, some interesting tidbits about what's going on in that front office with the Lakers. So the mother ship had Michael wilbon, and Stephen a Smith, who are friends of Magic Johnson. Stephen a Smith is not hide that fact neither does will bond. Why not have Baxter homes on? On with them, because all you did is ask questions to magic and let magic just refute everything. Baxter is an employee of ESPN. How about we make some good TV folks? Now, may maybe magic wouldn't go on, but I needed somebody to push back just a little bit here. Do do we think that Baxter homes in his sources that all of this was made up or take it out of context or there was high personally all of it? And this is your reporter, your investigative reporter with this story, a deep dive on the Lakers in the front office. And it was pretty fascinating. Let's say, I usually cut them in half. I everything I just cut it in half right away, whenever I hear something. That's really sensational. I just say, all right. Let me cut it in half. Now. What is believable here? And that's what I did in this situation, do I think that there were incidents that went on? Yes. But not every day, not all day and do I think there's an intimidating factor with Magic Johnson there. Yes. I do you imagine somebody in human resources is going to go magic could you come in? I've got some questions for you. That's not gonna happen. And was there intimidation? I have no idea other than your own reporter, reported this, and I needed Steven A and wilpon to push back a little bit on this. He can be your friend. Be gotta push back a little bit on this. You guys are reporters journalists, and I didn't see that last night, if you're going to cover the story, if you're gonna use the resources to do a story on the Lakers, then use the resources to then follow up on the story. And if magic is going to say something publicly for the first time, let Baxter home say. Hey, but what about this? And it shouldn't all be magic. But magic was the one who was there. Rob Pelinka was there, I would want Baxter homes there. That's all step by step. But you can't all of a sudden go. Hey, let's just get rid of. Hey, nothing happened. Magic go ahead and tell everybody nothing happened. Okay. I mean, I hope nothing happened. But this is your own reporter. This isn't where you're refuting some other network or some other outlet, which you don't want to give them credit for. Oh, yeah. That they just made that up about urban Meyer. Okay. But if you're gonna do that, then, then actually fully vet this or don't do it at all. Because I was embarrassed by I just wanted to hear some questions that are, you know, sent back Magic's way. And it was uncomfortable. And it's going to be uncomfortable. But if you've, you know, wanna fully vet this and be fair to both sides, including your reporter than either have him on or have some notes, there that at least give him a fair shake here in the public forum and I don't think that the mothership did the on. I, I was really hoping one person would have asked magic. So magic your Magic Johnson and a bunch of people, Laker organization, a bunch of different people, not one are making up a bunch of different stories about you, don't you think that's dangerous as an employee to, to test. Magic johnson. All these stories are fake, like all of them and no one asked, I would like to could at none of this is true. None of it. He didn't even say like well I could be tough. Sometimes I could be terse. Sometimes he didn't even go like halfway. The I just wanted a little bit more. That's all they if you're going to cover the story and give magic the platform, then at least be fair to those employees who, who don't have that ability. Don't have that power to come forward. And then you're even saying something to a reporter your reporter and it wasn't like you talked to one person or two. He was talking to fifteen and twenty different people. I and we did invite all the principles on just to let you know, including Baxter homes. Yes. For magic did say something like I made some mistakes, but he was very vague getting elaborate on what type of mistakes with those professional roster mistakes mistakes, and how he treated employees. We don't know what he meant. But then you have to say what mistakes magic I it has to be a tennis match here where you're volleying, I'm volleying back and forth back and forth back and forth. Not just hey, go ahead just serve. And that's what it was. It was just served in Stephen a you know, he's a journalist. He's your friend, asking the questions asking they may be tough questions, but ask those questions. So we don't feel like you're glossing over things. And that's what it felt like. Hey, you know, let's just put a new fresh coat of paint. We're good. We just move on. Here's Magic Johnson on what he would have done differently. I would hire my own people from the beginning. The one thing I didn't get to this hire everybody that I wanted my Robin. I got put together. I adhered it the Wotton. Yeah. So, so I, I didn't get the higher my own people. Okay. But if you knew that going in then why take the job if you knew that, that's not your coach. And you knew your being paired with Kobe's agent, then why take the job. And why did the Lakers hire him in the first place like the Lakers can't you can't sit there and go? You know, hey didn't do a good job. Or, you know, we didn't like the way left you hired him Jeanie Buss hired him. It's just I I didn't touch on it yesterday because I don't know just felt like we're piling on. And you know they're just dysfunction and I wanted it to play out just a little bit. And then I saw magic was going to be on the mothership. I thought, well, great. They're going to ask him some questions about this. And then I tuned in, and I went, oh, they're not asking him any questions or not follow up questions, and then I thought, okay we all know there's dysfunction there. We all know magic aired out. Luke Walton what's six games in that? He wasn't long soon as that happened. I said he's going to get fired. Planning simply is going to get fired because magic didn't bring him in. Absolutely. And then the whole rob Pelinka you know, didn't take long make a call or two. And then you find out what other agents thought of the situation. And even I mean it it got so bad that you didn't want agents their players playing in or being in the movie with LeBron because they didn't want them around them, because they're think thinking, maybe, you know, they'll lose them to LeBron's management like it's crazy that stuff that's going on. It's really is crazy stuff going on. And at a horrible time. I know players will say, I don't you know front office on me that much. And I, you know, just get whom I plan with what am I getting paid? I would worry, I would worry because you got Frank Vogel for how long? You brought in Jason Kidd. Do you think Jason Kidd is just okay? I think we know how this all ends we do. And maybe they can get somebody, maybe they can maybe they accidentally become good again. Because I think it's going to take that. Hey, you know, maybe New Orleans will cough up Anthony Davis, and maybe Jimmy Butler wants to come in. Hey, you know what? Kyri doesn't feel loved in Boston and New York Knicks don't want him as going to end up a Laker. Okay. Maybe. But that's the best case scenario. Yep. Oh, wouldn't you love to interview Kobe Bryant's day over anybody in this whole mess? I even genius. I would like to know Kobe's reaction to all this from a distance and I use that word loosely because I don't know how distant is well he's involved. Because, you know, on the periphery because his agent, former agent rob Pelinka was telling his story when the rock was given a motivational speech to the Lakers. And he says, oh, by the way Kobe, Saul. Heath ledger. You know playing the role of joker in the dark Knight and said, hey, could you set up a dinner with me? I want to find out how he got, you know, all focused into that role. Supposedly stories. Not true. Because heath ledger died. I think six months before the movie came out, I fax max and good story. But if, if Pelinka did a range that dinner, he's really good. If he got that because the movie came out after the died. Yes, fritzy, and they got the story that Rich Paul denies it, but he's going to Adam silver complaining about Luke warm isn't the right coach for the Lakers. That's on top of everything ally. Bizarre is that you have the bronze agent going to the Commissioner the NBA Commissioner supposed to about that. That's what I'm sure the Commissioner was saying, I'm sorry, rich, what do you want me to do about this? Do you want me to fire? Luke Walton here, hard noxious skipped the NFL teams. Pickling. Oh, yeah. All right. Here is rob Pelinka that story about heath ledger. I remember just a really quick store. There was one time when Kobe who I worked with eighteen years was going back to play Madison Square Garden. And he just seen the dark Knight, obviously, you've got sought movie as I hooked me up with dinner with heath ledger because he got so locked into that role. I want to know how he mentally went there. And so we had dinner with heathy talked about how he locks in for role in coke use some of that in his game Greg against the Knicks mental preparation. Yell unless he got an advance screening of it, but that would have been like a really advanced screening like about eight months since he's died, six months before the movie was released there. And I know it's the Lakers. I don't know if we would focus on any other team this way. But this is sort of what today's generation. Today's talk shows today's TV show simultaneous like everybody is all in on a few topics. I tell you this every single day that it starts with the Cowboys LeBron and the Lakers and then you might throw in one or two other stores every single day. Those stories will be touched on. And look, I want to be fair to the other stories that, that should be covered and also to the Lakers, because it's not all bad. The not all bad people. They haven't made you know, horrible decisions all the way through this. But there are times when you just say, look, there's dysfunction and LeBron's involved. In other free agents could be involved in the expectation level of one of the greatest players of all time and the window of opportunity to win a championship. So I pick and choose when it comes to this, this doesn't allow me to put a hail. Low on. It's just there times when things need to be said need to be brought out, you need to cover these stories. And then other times you're just doing it. You know, you're playing with your audience, and I refuse to do that to you, when it needs to be covered them. We cover it. But not. Hey, how can we make this story today? Hey, what's going on with the Lakers? Nothing. Oh, that's okay. I'm hearing. I'm hearing something. Okay. I will take a break trae. Young will join us the hawks guard and he'll be going toe to toe with Luca Don for rookie of the year. Mike breen. ESPN. ABC NBA play by play voice in. Reggie Miller will join us as well. We'll have a poll question. Coming up stat of the day play of the day. It's twenty after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show. Hey, shocking now that the NBA also, we can is over. It's time for the second half of the season to get underway. It's a tight battle in both the western and eastern conferences as teams vying for playoff position. I've been saying for months, there's only one place again on all the action. Ben online dot AG. Sign up today for a free account and use the promo code podcast, one. And when you make your first deposit you'll receive a fifty percent bonus that's promo code podcast. One NBA site is heating up. Don't miss out on all the fun. Ben Alon dot AG, online sportsbook, experts. Experts. Everybody's got it to do this. 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It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now, get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to. Nationals this year. Sorry pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Mclovin. You got a poll question while we wait for trae young. The Atlanta Hawks we have a few options. We could do Colli the new Vegas. Odds have clippers heavy favorites would you take clippers raptors or the field, which is safe as bet there odds wise a field is a slight favorite, but it's real close. Yeah, I think the Colli already knows where he's going. I think Katie knows where he's going as well. Really, you know, guardless the I, I don't I don't say if you win the finals. I don't think you know that collide Stang if you lose, I don't think he stay. But katy's agents said that he doesn't know yet. Okay. So agents all tell the truth, that's what you're saying. Okay. That's what I heard now this program, brought to you by Mercedes AM GB prepared for whatever comes your way. The all new GT four door coupe. Life is raised busy local dealership for test drive today, trae young. The hawks guard was voted unanimously. The all NBA rookie teams going to have to wait a little while to find out if he is the rookie of the year and trae back on the program. Good morning trae. How are you? I'm doing good. How you doing? Where are you off to this weekend? And disdain later today. It's go watch a soccer game day Madrid. So looking forward to. Well, this is this a big soccer game soccer match. So it's going to be fine. Are you a soccer player when you did you play soccer grown? No, I mean maybe when I was a kid playing little league, but I mean as a I got around seven or eight years old. I thought I, I was never in soccer shape. To go to play that way. You were in basketball shape, non soccer ship. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a different site, different type. I read a lot of things about the role. Your dad played in your development. I mean, you're you're father did an awful lot of great things for you. Whether it was breaking down film, or making sure you got to see some of these great players or great players reaching out to, you know, give you tips. How do you. Thank you dad after all he's done for you. I mean to be I can't think of enough. I mean, he's very he's done for me. I mean from. Hold on. Trey got a shaky connection there. It's going to be an emotional moment, right in the middle of complimenting, Dan. Yeah. Probably gonna tear up a little bit. Wouldn't that be great to be a pro athlete? And just now he has the funds to fly off to Madrid watch him soccer. That's the deal. Like he just get ways timing. What are you doing today? I think I'm going to Spain, a lot of Oklahoma City Madrid direct flights. Yes. I know. I mean like just being rich it's just like one of the things that you could do. Now, it's like you know what? Yeah, I'm going to go and how much are tickets. I don't care. I don't care and it. I'm just going to go see a little soccer game. It's completely legal in college. If he you know, he got free tickets to some soccer, she probably got a report this. Yeah. Do we know what the is it next week or two weeks? I two weeks, I think when a find out who's the NBA rookie of the year. I, I don't know how those awards are the timeframe for those awards are is a back on where this, fritzy. On here. Okay. Yeah. All right. You were saying nice things about your dad. How do you repay your dad for all the great things he did? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Like I said, I don't. I don't think I could thank him enough. I mean there were times I mean early in my career he was driving me hour and a half two hours just to just to take me to practice. And for me to play on a U teams and Dallas and Kansas City and things like that. So all little things you did for me. I mean I, I don't know. Fuck ever pay him for sure. What did you think first time he saw Steve Nash play? Oh I mean he was my favorite player before. I even saw him play just from washing on TV. But when I first got to see him live, Oklahoma City was was crazy. I showed up hour and a half. To watch 'em warm up. No. I wanted to see everything. He's he's, he's been my favorite player since I was a kid I in and nothing has changed. How do you emulate Steve Nash? It's not easy. No, it's definitely not easy. I don't think I mean you can really be. I mean emulate him perfectly. I mean I tried to do a lot of the things he does as far as like his off balance. I mean I'll balance shooting his touch things like that. And I it's hard to emulate them. But I try to best, I can't have you gone to any basketball games during the plans. Yes. Yeah. I went to two games. I went to game three of the Portland Oklahoma City game back home in Oklahoma City. And then I went to the rockets warriors game three in Houston. What do you take away when you watch those can you watch those games as a fan or you watching as a fellow player? I mean definitely different for me. I I know I look at it differently. I mean just because I've played against you teens. And like I know what's coming. I, I know the sister calling I can I can hear? I mean I'm just looking at the things differently. And I mean. To be honest that India playoff atmosphere. It's something that I also noticed and it's out differently. I mean, the fans are how more engaged they are a little things like that. It's, it's definitely different. And I just wanted to experience it before. I mean, gone, we're in, so what's it like though when you got James harden with the ball and year out there on an island with him? You gotta you gotta ask for help. You know it's gonna be tough. It's hard guard that man one on one, you got try your best contest and yeah, make sure you got help, aren't you. All right. Is it more helpless, trying to guard harden or Steph curry? I think it's, it's, it's different like you have to be aware of I mean, help behind you when you're going, hard, it, and make sure you get a contest. But when you're gardens Dez, you always on the move, and you're always running on. And as soon as you relax Steph, realize it, and then he keeps moving and that's when he gets you. So it's just a different type of, of, of defense and awareness for sure with both of them. So I can't really say which one's harder. We're talking to trae young. The Atlanta Hawks guard and I remember the first time I saw you and I came in, I think you play in Portland, or Portland state or this is at Oklahoma. Did did you put up like forty four. And in the game. Yeah, yeah. I'll put put against Oregon. Okay. But I, I saw in a game where I came in the next day or that was his Saturday. I think I came in on Monday. And I said, boy, this kid out, Oklahoma has got Steph curry range, I made an. Unfair comparison to you with Steph curry because with the range in and you don't play like Steph curry, you're, you are more of a, Steve Nash in my opinion, you're, you're a great passer. I think that's what people forget, they get caught up in your shooting. Your range, I was more impressed with your passing and you don't find that with too many guys today. Everybody loves to shoot but you know when did you fall in love with the pass? Well, I mean, for me, I think like you said watching Steve Nash. I mean, I did a bad job of Minson that whenever you ask you about about Steve, because that's something that I mean I took a lot of pride in, especially watching him. But his ability to, to pass with the, the, the right hand and unless hand. So that's something that took a lot of pride in. And I, I love doing it just because all grew watching him. Toughest defender you had this year was who or you going to give him credit. I don't know. There's a bunch, I think Klay was was very tough. Coli guard me a lot throughout the Rogers game. What was that, like? It was definitely definitely a I mean a battle, he's physical. They very physical. You can tell right now draw the playoffs too. Who's the best player in the game? It's tough. I think. He was the first pick. I you got the first pick. And I got the second pick, okay? We're on the playground. You get first pick. I get the next two. Okay. Well, I'm I'm, I'm out to go. K D, I li- li- Katie okay, the first pick. And now he's little injured. So but that's an advantage for me. I'm, I'm gonna take Colli and LeBron. And then not as my take now. Yeah, I'll have to go on go a Steph. Okay. That's that. Are you just taking the warriors? Is that what you're doing try? Look like. I'll go take the bronze second. Will you play basketball in Madrid when you're there this weekend? Yeah. I'll work out a couple of times. So just you go to a playground. No, I'll find a gym. Okay. Somewhere. What happened in the shoe like you're shooting percentage in the beginning of the season was not very good. And then it got really good. So, so what happened? Stay out has got more comfortable of I mean the this be the pace of of the game, and I was just able to slow down and relax a little more. I think early on. I was rushing and just trying to pick up the speed and my me, I, I just could never get into a rhythm. I was always able to get really made my floaters and get lay and get assists and things like that. But my threes is wasn't falling and later on it, it changed. So I think that was the main reason never get down on yourself. Your first year. No, no, no. Never really just 'cause I know how hard I work and and how I mean how much prepared? I know it's all going to it's all going to turn out. Good. In the end high, a couple of things you've got to work on in the offseason, I gotta get you a little bit stronger. I got a we got to play a little more defense this year trae. For sure Fisher, okay? But if you score more like Steph curry does than you don't have to play any defense at all. And James harden, doesn't that true? Yet is those guys don't play defense. Do you think I could score on harden? Do you get you get a score you think so if I got if I got the ball ten times against harden do I score ones. I've seen you play. I've seen play. Well the day to the jumpers wet, that's all. I mean that's I'm just going to say that jumpers wet. All right. All right. You just go on anybody. Well, not, not anybody. I think I could score on. You one time where I don't know about. Oh now you're a lockdown defender. You know what when you get to Madrid just mentioned my name, and then they'll tell you, they remember how yeah I put up a triple double, and somebody over there. Hey, enjoy the off season. It's not gonna last long and save travels over to Spain enjoyed the soccer and good luck when the announcement rolls around you have an in an acceptance speech written for rookie of the year. Not yet not yet. Are you going to have one? No probably have it on, on the fuss, that's going to be something yet to talk about on the sly. Well, good luck with that great season. And we'll hopefully talk to you again soon. Okay, thank you. That's that's trae young. The Atlanta Hawks scored nineteen points, eight assists. And that's what stood out. I thought there was another game. Maybe it was the Oregon game but I watched him and I think he had forty or forty four and I came in and I went man, this guy has got range, he was. Plus, he had the green light. And then I thought later in his season is, is only season in Oklahoma. They gave him too much of a green light because he looked worn down and gets back to the welcome. She going to guard. We we always do that. Who who's he going to go? Well, who's guarding him? Now. That's what I always has Steve Nash, couldn't guard anybody. But who was guarding him? Steph curry James harden. Their certain guys who create a mismatch every time you guard him. Yeah. Pull a lot of people jumped off his bandwagon in November and December. Did you notice that? Yes, they did he finished with nine kids twenty years old man. He averaged nineteen points, eight assists, four rebounds, a steal their only thirty one minutes. A game too so and is shooting percentage, not great. But it got better every month, but he also had games of, I think seventeen sixteen sixteen fifteen fourteen assist in, and that's what you know, for a shooter to have those passing numbers. That's that's where you wanna play with somebody like that. Because the trae young, I saw it Oklahoma was different than it lenna because it felt like there was a little more of a pass first. Then what we sold Oklahoma. But he's still, you know, he led the nation scoring and. Assists at Oklahoma remarkable. Yeah. For fritzy. And he started enjoying the assists. More and more, I had read something where when he would set up an alley oop to one of his teammates, he would jump up in the air as his teammates jumping up in the air at the Dunkin' just to feel like a part of it, it wasn't all about how many points it can school. Yeah. And his dad did a wonderful thing, though. You know you helped him out through his entire career and. So interesting. Interesting. Interesting kid, I, we'll take a break here. We'll come back, we got our play the day, and I think we got our poll question, a stat of the day as well back after this, in the Dan Patrick show, every car comes with its share stories, right, that ding and your bumper. When you nervously picked up a first date or maybe the luxury package. You got after a big promotion. Maybe it's the mileage you save by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag under stories. 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He's been on this power surge there. So that's our play of the day play of the day. Brought to you by Dollar Shave Club. They have everything you need. And right now Dollar Shave Club starter, set everything you need for a great shave just five dollars. Get yours at dollarshaveclub dot com slash Patrick. So it was baseball. All last night, Bryce Harper tumor strikeouts last night. Mclennan by the way to doubles got thrown out in got thrown out at the plate as well too. Bats the best game of the year. I was coming in ready to celebrate. He does like to strike out. Yeah. He's going to strike out two hundred times this year, is it. I mean, is it note worthy it? He's going to set an all time record this year. Not a graver for strikeout. Yeah. What is the record? I soon it's added. I Don or Chris Davis or Mark Reynolds. Oh, Mark Reynolds wasn't he from the the Diamondbacks? Has anybody had two hundred strikeouts in season? I believe so let's check. I'll check. For some reason, now, maybe that's not right. All my favorite players strike out a lot like Ryan, our would strike out pretty much every bat. Mike Schmidt, who strike out all the time. Yeah. It's a whole it's part of being a home run hitter. It's nice to not to three times a game. I also saw this Gary Sanchez Gary Sanchez leads he is tied for the American League with seventeen home runs. He's played thirty seven games. The most home runs in a players. I thirty seven games all time. So I thirty seven games of a season all time. Mickey Mantle, Gary Sanchez, Babe Ruth. Stat of day, the day that best ad of the day stat of the day comes that. What status? By the way, if you missed any of the interviews from the Mercedes G, man cave. Go to the Dan Patrick show app. You can watch and listen from inside the Mercedes G man cave Mercedes Mt. Driving performance, by the way. If you go to the app today. Right after the show, the three on three tournament, the danettes, we will have the draft and that will be at I believe, twelve thirty eastern that you can go to the there a lot there's a lot of drama leading up to the draft there been misleading reports. Two days is supposed to be our Zion Williamson the there's been some backstabbing. There's been runs to having rumors brew front stabbing. There's been some front of fun trade talk and some controversial picks, perhaps question, Mark. But that'll be right after the show at twelve thirty eastern on the DP show up and fritzy has the first pick effort guys have been showing off the days leading. Up to this draft. Just in case you weren't given a second look to somebody every every commercial break practically and after the show all the rest of the guys that away to get picked trying to show what they can do. So they can be picked towards the top. Also there's a report that some have been trying to tank, so they don't play on your team. Just letting you know a little disheartening to hear. But look, I as the Commissioner I hear everything, I see everything. And this is just what I've been told on, on what's play with a chucker, you would hope that, you know, you're gonna be on the team where people are hearing the, the ball, I guess that's true. Yes. Especially since the ball has this ability to come off the rim. So violently when Todd shoots it like it's like like spring loaded or it's like volleyball, you know, when they spike, it the ball, kind of comes off like that. Yes, mclovin. It's also like Papa shot. He hasn't stopped to see where anyone else is he just looks down? Choo? Choo shoots. He almost took my head off in the last break, and I find four shots in a matter of eight seconds. Okay. We have a kitchen out by the basket. Komo court, Tagos, a, hey, at least he said, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot a hook. It's not even on the court. He's all the way in the kitchen and he made it Steph curry practice. Yes. Like heading to the locker room shooting from the stands. Yeah, impressive it is, I'd missed the next fifty in a row, though. Those that just happened to go in there. Yeah. I think Todd is gonna win you think his team's going to win a deal. Okay. His team might be the number one seed. It's mclovin. I'd say you. I tell you, it's four really evenly matched him. Yeah. But, but okay. First game is going to be the following week. I believe next Tuesday, Tuesday, will be the first set of gain or set. Okay. Okay. So it's is it one versus two then three versus four here as so it'll be fritzy's team versus police team. Right. And then mclovin against the yeah and you can watch these games. Live we're televising these things. Ever tell us it's good basketball. Someone's got televised. Bad mask. Yeah. We, we will have this in all of its glory, like dad basketball. Somebody's gonna get hurt. All multiple people. You know, if you were playing if you let's say you're an active player right now because you're Commissioner Italy, whose team do you think you'd want to be on that doesn't mean that doesn't mean best basketball player, just like for the best chance to win best chance to win? Yeah. Or get shots depending on your priority. I, I would probably go. Mclovin me, mclovin loves to shoot. But I, I like to see if you're on my team, I would drive in the middle and kick it out, like LeBron mclovin, got some so I'd have mclovin, in the big German kid down on the blocks. Alan the IT guy just you know, kind of being a passed now you ever going to suit up for this league. It's like say someone gets injured and we need someone. I don't know if I can play with a replacement knee. I don't I don't even know if I'm allowed to you know physically play in a game. I don't know. These guys are super dangerous, by the way, everyone around here. 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Melissa Silberman: Atlanta Hawks Director of Partnership Activation Work In Sports Podcast

"Prior Everybody I'm Brian Clap vp of content and engage learning for work in sports dot com, and this is the working sports podcast. There so many interesting conversations to have right now. Surrounding the abnormal sports world, we are currently immersed in the other day. I was asked during a panel discussion. What I thought were the most important skills someone in the industry should be utilizing and leveraging now now I. Get asked this question a lot so I have kind of go to answer that I believe in wholeheartedly. It's not road. It's just something that I do say a lot. In normal conditions, I say coach, ability, competitiveness, and curiosity, those are the three things I think are vitally important for success in the sports industry. Those are literally my three favorite terms when it comes to employment actually in any industry. Curiosity, competitiveness and coach ability. Right now I've kind of had to adjust my thinking psalm and so i. On the fly Improv. That's a foreshadowing there on the fly. During this panel discussion those three terms are still incredibly valuable, but I'm going to throw three more at u. flexibility, improvisation and innovation. Lab these down a bed because they're all aligned but subtly different, we'll start with flexibility. There's a narrative in every industry and if you've been working for any period of time, you've probably heard this before that. You continue doing things because that's the way we've always done things. I have heard this thousands of times. You try to come up with a new idea and somebody says yeah. That's not really the way we do things right? Routine history legged his legacy decisions. This is how the business world can be imbedded. Sometimes, that's why it's so hard to be agile and move things around. But that is not acceptable now. The assumption that we just keep plugging along without change is flawed. We need to entertain ideas and we need to be flexible in their deployment. When you flexible in the ways we generate revenue, allocate resources and more everything is on the table. Processes and objectives need to change. Now this could be temporary could be just during coronavirus, or could be this breaks us through to new heights. That's exciting. Okay improvisation improvisation is literally the act of coming up with ideas on the spot. We only do open up and engage the parts of our brain that spark creativity and different thinking. We've been for so long following patterns, just repeating exactly what we're taught doing exactly what we're doing, the black and white kind of decision making. We. need spark the fire of improvisation. We, all need to consider the unconventional. Look at High School Sports, okay, the NBA can have a bubble. The NFL contests daily High School. Athletes are at higher risk of contracting and spreading. This is beyond doubt. This is not a political statement. It is a fact so when people say. Have you considered playing in the spring? Have you considered a condense schedule? Have you considered this? Have you considered that that is improvising? We need to turn on the thought provoking sides of our brain and say we should consider everything. Anyone right now. That saying I will absolutely not do that. Instead of we are going to discuss that. We're GONNA model that we're going to talk about that. We're going to come up with the pluses and minuses of these decisions and come to a conclusion. Anybody that says that we are absolutely not going to do that is not somebody I want to be associated with. I want somebody that can improvise I want somebody that can think differently I want somebody that can see the challenge and say. Let's come up with ideas. Innovation chaos breeds opportunity. That is just a fact. So where is it? This needs to be the mantra of all businesses and employees. Where is the opportunity? How can we shift realize change products change approaches innovate. Companies that changed their clothing. Textiles to masked development innovated sports businesses that create a digital platforms and Webinars podcasts and virtual internships innovated. We need that spirit back. Innovate improvise before. no-one embodies out more than today's guests. Melissa Silberman is the director of partnership activation for the Atlanta Hawks simply put. She works to make sure team. Sponsors have impactful campaigns that reach their audience with powerful messaging. Well think about it. A big percentage of that is through in arena accusations. The twenty one thousand crazy fans coming to state farm arena on game night are seeing engaging with sponsor activities so. What do you do when there is no more of that? There is no twenty one thousand crazy fans coming to game night. How does Melissa and her team show the sponsors? There is Great Value Association with the Hawks even without the crazy fans at the arena that an interesting conversation that with the team has been. Forced to do every team. Flexibility, INNOVATION IMPROVISATION! You'll hear it right now here. She is Melissa Silberman. Hi Melissa. How are you doing today? Hi Brian. How are you? I am really good I'm really excited to talk to you today. Because you are in a very interesting side of the sports world, you graduate from University of Florida. You've worked in the NFL. You've worked in the NBA. You've got a lot of great experiences. Share so thanks a lot for coming on the show. Thanks for having me, so there's a lot of topics I wanNA. Get into I want to talk today about your journey and how you got to these positions and understand a little bit more about partnership activation and the business world where currently, and but let's start with this. You got your bachelors and your Masters in Sports Management at University of Florida, so it's clear you knew from early on. You wanted to work in sports, but did you choose this path partnership activation as your path, or did it kind of choose you as you went through graduation and figuring out where you wanted to go? Yeah! It's funny. I think in a way. It's sort of chose me could say I. Originally wanted to be a lawyer. So there's that well. I guess my grandma. My grandma wanted me to be a lawyer. We meet one in the family. And you know I I did have interest in being a warrior and I wanted to pursue I think. Then my interest in Sports Kinda came about while I was in middle school, and I remember we were watching my dad and I were across the street at a neighbor's. You're watching the two thousand and three or four Super Bowl I think of the Bucks Raiders. And for some reason I just started asking questions like so. What's going on here in the game? My Dad, he didn't have a sign of and my sister, so he was probably like. He started. Just you know kind of coach through it and we're talking about it and it just kind of came up. A good pastime for him and I and we connected through it and I moved to south. Florida went to high school. There and college sports is so huge in the south end. Table to watch. Some of my friends go through. Playing, high school sports and then the recruitment process of going into college and. Working through kind of creating their own identity and and brand as aspiring professional athletes, and then watch Jerry Maguire once or twice, I was like okay going to kind of mix the passions of law and sports and not wanted to be a sports agent, so that was kind of the goal going into school, and why I took on the major sport management. but then I was at year end. At the University of Florida and I had come in with a ton of credit I'm so technically was considered a sophomore and my guidance counselor advisor. Brought to me this program, it was a combined degree program where you get your bachelor's. In the last year of your bachelors doubles as the First Year of your masters, so you're not masters or takes four years. Your masters takes two years typically, so what one student might normally be able to do? In six years, I could do in five, but because I was. was such a nerd, and ahead of the curve, and all these credit I was actually going to be able to do it in four, because I was going to graduate with my bachelors and three, and then add on that extra year for my masters, so for me that gave me the opportunity to get my masters in sport management while instead of the initial initial. For me, which was going to be this pre law focused and go to law school. UNDERGRAD SO I kind of landed there and started. Working towards my master. Of Science in Sport Management, and during that time took on a couple of jobs with the universities Athletic Association and got into working for the football program. And one thing led to another, and after applying to hundreds and hundreds of jobs Were the ones to call back and I didn't know at the time. Exactly what partnership activation was, but I took. It was in south Florida. My family was there and. It made sense at the time. So I'll admit I've been in the sports industry for over twenty years now, which is dating myself a lot, but I've been I've been doing this for a good amount of time and yet I'm not sure I can fully articulate. What partnership activation is so take it. Take it back and explain it to us. What is your? What is your the main thrust of your? Your role, what is it what is partnership activation on kind of a high level and then get into your day to day a little bit and I understand that data days change a not days of the same and all that, but what are the main focuses of your role right? Yeah. I asked myself when I was offered the job to like what is this? And I mean when I was going through my Grad Program I had a couple of sports marketing classes. I think sports sponsorship in. This idea of partnership activation was maybe a pager to within a textbook, but. Of course they have a a course actually dedicated to at which friend of mine teaches. But not back then so for me. It was it was a whole new learning curve? Partnership Activation. A lot of people think it's like team marketing. But no, so teams have their own kind of in house, marketing departments, but In corporate partnerships, which is the umbrella kind of partnership activation falls under were essentially the extension of our sponsors marketing arms. So you have Coca, Cola light state farm UPS CHICK-FIL-A. All of these brands sponsored the team in our job I. Guess simply put is to help create solutions to business problems that they have. How can we help move the needle? Drive home different business initiatives or these brands? Sponsors spend dollars with us. To achieve certain marketing, goals and objectives, and by doing so they're associating themselves with our team. They have the reach of our audience. The use of our Ip and we're able to then delivered almost any target consumer business segment so. Whether a company wants to simply build brand awareness. Or drive foot traffic. you know into their stores? reach the population on a grassroots level drive community impact. On that's kind of what we're here to do. In creative ways to accomplish those goals by leveraging our, you know different assets or whatnot so. It's a unique job because it kind of forces you to become an expert in many different industries right so you know I manage a relationship right now with the hawks of our naming rights partner State Farm in OUR JERSEY, patch partner share care so I have to know everything I can about the insurance industry in the health and wellness industry but in doing so you know day to day we get to work with so many different people. Both internally, because our partnerships touch all areas of the organization and also externally because you know, our network has expanded. Tremendously. By all the relationships with these different brands that we have in the different layers within these companies some your point, I don't have one day that looks. Same but you know in Susan. It's a lot of you know working on different promotions. Social campaigns in arena activation meetings with clients. Potential clients. Out of season it's of planning. It's a lot of recapping the year. But. Again. No one day looks like no, of course, not so, why is you got into this role and you found this kind of career path. Why do you feel now that you personally are well suited for partnership activation? Why have you found this to be a good matches? There are certain personality traits that just lineup well, are there specific skills? You have this kind of a natural fit. What have you discovered about this world? That just makes it like where you're fit is in the industry. Yeah I think for me at the end of the day I'm in the relationship building industry so and that's something that I I feel like I'm very good at You know we're in the hospitality. The entertainment industry and I mean of course in this field. It's easy to say you know you got to be creative. And you have to be able to think strategically and have strong business acumen, and that's all important. But at the end of the day, being able to kind of build solid relationships with clients and coworkers. is most important and then. I think for me. Just being able to work effectively in like a fast paced environment that is the sports world It's ever changing and fortunately and unfortunately I think you know it is very agile. And ever evolving, so that's equally as important and I've found myself. Able to do that and buried, you know quick learner because started at the Miami Dolphins having no clue. Participation was a now. Here am eight or nine years later, but. I would say those are probably the biggest for me, and why feel guy I fit in as well as I do. I I started my sports career in Atlanta. At C. N. N. sports illustrated, and I loved the urgency, and the pace I love that fast paced. I loved having everything happened so fast I. do think that's a kind of a skill or attribute that that most of the people I know in the sports. Industry Kinda, like that pace, so I can see why you. To Change Yeah. So. What about the now? Okay? We're living in strange times. We know that I refuse to say anything like the normal or anything like that. I want to stay away from as many cliches possible, but. No Fan Games for the foreseeable future bubbles here all these different things going on all these changes in the league. It's a constant state of flux. How do you sell from a business standpoint? How do you sell potential sponsors? On the fact that you can still reach the fans, even if they aren't coming to state farm, each Irina each game. How are you able to bridge that gap or that concern? Yeah. In a unique time right now I was. Listening to a podcast, the other day and this this woman was talking about. His. Don't panic right like going through can in times of change, and our team's definitely taking that mantra to heart rate now and like I said you know we're problem. solvers were trying to find solutions. For us, you have to kind of take a step back in like attendance stands in the building is just one way that sponsors reach, fans and fans can't come into the arena. then. They're going to have to change the channel to follow the team. In, so fans aren't going to just stay at home in turn off their TV us. In turn off the radio and no longer be on social media, are the Atlanta Hawks social media is heavy. Our community footprint is is really strong, and so for us. We just have to get creative and you know be able to leverage those alternative channels to engage your audience. Yeah, I was looking. This morning I was doing a research, and the when you really break down the capacity for State Farm Arenas, twenty one thousand, and yet you have one point two million twitter followers. I wonder sometimes if we as outsiders somewhat overvalue the important, I'm not saying. The fans in the stadium isn't important. We almost overvalue the reach of that moment, and not realize that there's so many other ways and channels like you said. TV, radio digital social other ways to communicate with fans. Yeah I mean the digital and social media channels have been underutilized undervalued for a while now and I think we're all just kind of starting to realize that. And properly utilized some of the more affected accusations and campaigns are going to be able to come to light, and I also think that. We can't forget the power of association, and you know being able to unify a brand with our. Hawks logo the NBA. Brand you know and use of those logos and kind of how we can amplify for brand brand messages using. The power of Abar Ip. Be So important. For sure, yeah. So. You kind of referenced it earlier in the conversation. BET subtly. How important is it in partnership activation to work effectively cross functionally across groups, I mean because you like you said you're. You're working with the digital team. You're working with the promotions team. You're working with all these different groups within the Hawks Organization. How important is that just a be that relationship focused person that can get along with a lot of different people that can be organized and keep things moving in the right direction, and just really be productive in that way. What's? My Big Fat Greek quitting I. Don't know if you remember wanting. Her the wife. The MOM, she she does this analogy of. Her husband's head, but she's the neck and cheese, a one kind of directing and I feel like that's kind of similar in the line of work we do like we delegate a why. We rely on so many other departments to help execute on on many activation. To bring a lot of these partnerships to life whether it's our social media team helping to. Be a you know a new creative social campaign. Or. If it's an arena, promotions team are dancers. Are are are corporate social responsibility groups, just helping kind of bring everything to light for us, and so it is very important and again going back on those relationships probably most important to make sure that your internal relationships are tight, because again it takes many many different areas of the organization to help. activate a lot of these partnerships and. Being able to work with while with others as Berry. Doing so! It's one of those skills at once. You get out into the workforce. You realize you have to master. You have to be able to work on the people, or you never accomplish anything. That's the goal of course. Yes so the last trip I made before quarantine last time I left my state. was down to Atlanta for the national. Sports Forum conference in February, and during that conference, we had one of the events was at state farm, arena and Steve, Kuhn the Hawks CEO came out and spoke to the group that was there, and what was impressive was he spoke a lot about how they've the redesign of the arena, and how they have a different approach to the moment like what a ticket means like. Going to the game now isn't just we expect you to sit in your seat for two and a half hours and watch every moment we want you to enjoy all these different micro environments all across the stadium, and look at like an entertaining night, rather than just a game, and that really stuck with me and a lot of different ways When, we toured the arena, it looked at me like it has to be a sponsors dream. Come true because it looked like candy land in a way that was just like so many different ways. You could be creative. I have to imagine you know social and other channels are great, and you can be creative and do everything, but is there something special about seeing your activation? Come to life on game night, and just having that experience with the twenty one thousand people there and everybody's raucous, and they're seeing your work, and having just come to come to life for you, yeah! It's incredible, and I missed the national or forum and I miss seeing stoops speak I was I was on the road with. The team last minute But we hand out the best arena in the NBA rule. I really liked it. And I'm sure you've probably heard Steve. Say this, but the building represents. Atlanta and that's why it's so incredible. I mean at truly it mirrors the city. So that was the intent in building it between we brought in all these different local restaurants. A concession stands in the building. We brought one of the top chefs in Atlanta into combat. The executive chef for the arena. We brought you. We kind of mimics all different neighborhoods of Atlanta within different areas of the arena. And we have killer. Mike's Swagger shop, which is shaved washing groom barbershop in the building where you can get your haircut wall watching the game and you know we have a bar on the floor. It's an extension of the hardwoods, so you can't pick up. The re not like place elsewhere. You can place in Oklahoma City right. This is a true to Atlanta building and You know to your point or what Steve was saying. It's an experience. It's a date night out. It's you know you're not just coming to watch basketball, but you're coming for the overall environment of of being in the building, and then the on court performance you know is just a plus, and plus that's why. We're seeing such a positive response. In these first couple of years of fans wanting to come be there in brands wanting to be a part of. Somebody who lived in Atlanta for seven years, and was there during the Omni and the first year is a folks arena like state farm, totally different like it is a much better experience. The whole thing is really cool. Yeah, yeah, so let's go back to the Florida Florida days a little bit because i. am curious while you were getting your degrees. You mentioned you intern with the football team SEC football is big business like these are Megyn operations. That experience help you feel ready and prepared for getting your first job. NFL and working in the NBA I mean a lot of times. People have to work up to this. You were probably primed and ready after your experience working with the football team. I think it was like a big wakeup. Call I mean urban. Meyer technically hired meeting left before. I started a worked under under coach. Mush Champ on endorsed work directly for him. Is the director of football operations by I? Mean it's one thing to wake up and go to work inside a college football stadium everyday and be so dash like working in sports, but the grind is hard. You know it's early hours late night. It's working weekends and I. Think Maybe during my time at school. I watched one or two football games as a fan from the stands. You know my entire. because. You're working, and you don't get to go out Friday night before gate night because he have a five am wakeup. Call Right, so it wasn't a trial. Run for me and I think it really tested. You know myself like do I. Really Want this. This career in sports and the answer was yes, because every day I woke up excited to get to work and help the team. Get better so That experience was crucial I think in preparing me for her. Life in in pro sports by. Man Was it tough. It was hard. Yeah I bet so after Florida hired right out of college by the Miami Dolphins one of the most iconic sports branches. There is like you said in your backyard South Florida What are you remember most about your first day? What am I remember most I remember like. pinching myself so I lived in in Palm Beach or a Wellington Florida, which is about fifty five miles north of the stadium, and I was living with my family, so I remember I can't be late and I need to account for traffic so I, left like two and a half hours before. Meanwhile, you know. I got there an hour and a half early. which probably the the biggest thing I remember is I've never been an hour and a half early to anything other than my first were. Miami Dolphins. And usually cutting it pretty close. No I mean it was just like a surreal day like working for an NFL team working. You know not all teams working there stadiums, but I was working walking into an NFL stadium for my first day. you know post college and was surreal. I remember trying not to ask too many questions like being annoying kind of Staff Assistant Day One who was just like so excited and wanted to know everything there was but but it was awesome. That's definitely a day. I'll never forget I and the people that I met. I still talk to this day I mean a lot of whom are no longer with the dolphins some that are. But that organizations incredible and that first day was. Was Awesome. I'm guessing a referral from Urban Meyer and Maybe helped out of the whole bit. That's a good background a half. Nothing now I mean. I had only met Urban Meyer once or twice prior, but no, i. told You I blindly apply to offline. Hundreds of jobs and Funny Story though with this one is I actually applied for a level. It was like a coordinator level And I hadn't heard back I had gotten a phone interview, which was great. Because you know for every hundred jobs to apply for you, maybe ten calls back, and then you now forever. Maybe you've got one. That'll bite and for me. Someone my who would become by my boss, called me, and asked him I was still interested in the position working for the dolphins I said absolutely. I just haven't heard back, you know. She's like okay I. Know You applied for this position? But you're just not qualified you don't have you know. The two to three years experience that we were looking for. But the level beneath that you know I'd love to. Have you come to work directly for me at as staff assistant level position. You know minimum wage or something around there but we'd love for you to star in two weeks and I can promise you. Your growth is is would be a priority I've done. A good price, but I was like you know what this is my foot in the door. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity again. I was just grateful to even and I guess my resume. Someone had on bailed on the position last minute, so my resume kind of went. Top of the pile and they call me. Timing matters. Yeah so ten months later though it didn't take you long ten months later, you promoted to account manager. Partnership Activation retention is where the partnership activation career paths started takeoff. Y Look back at that ten month period. Why do you think you were promoted so quickly? What was your attitude during that ten months? What did you bring to the table? How did you build up your? Don't be humble. Be honest like well. How did you start to get yourself in position to grow within the Miami Dolphins Organization? Yeah. So I think it is a little bit of a couple. Things I think it was you know timing? We a new CEO, come in and in some change turnover and. The opportunity was there, and I saw it I was like okay. I'm GONNA come in. I'm going to be a sponge kind of soak up all that I can. And really put forth my best effort and showing them that I might not know a ton about you know what I got myself into ear, but I'm committed. And it was those long hours of late night. Some sometimes I wasn't leaving the office until one am and back there seven eight am in the morning. I didn't know how to say no. You know and I did that on purpose rate I was I. Said, yes, to everything just to get as much experience as I could as much ability to other departments and other leaders in the organization as I could. I think it was really that like twenty four seven kind of work mentality that helped. You know my trajectory. So eventually you get promoted to the role of senior manager and partnership activation. How does this change things when you go from being more of an individual contributor, your account manager, you're a coordinator, your whatever? And then he become management like. How did that kind of change for you or now? You're managing other people. You're managing bigger processes. You're setting the strategy. All those different things go into that kind of. That's a pretty big jump. How did that feel for you? And and what was that like? yeah, that was a a a difficult transition. I think in a sense because. I. I knew how I wanted to be managed in how I like to be an end to end I wanted to make sure that That's what I was giving you know at the time. I think it was only managing one. Maybe two people in you know now with the Hawks managing larger, a larger group, but I, think there I was just trying to like take the little nuggets from all the great leaders that I've had in my past, and and use that in you know outside of just kind of like going with the flow and and addressing each obstacle. As it came because I don't know that anyone can teach you how to manage people. It's kind of like ability that you learn and Some people are meant for it in in some people aren't but for me I wish is really passionate about it. And I still am I'm on linked in I think you know multiple times a day. Answering. And answering, you know people that are whether they're soon to be gator alumni or just people trying to break into the industry like I want. Them to be able to use me as a resource I didn't really have Matt. You know when I was trying to break into the industry so for me, just coaching people and helping people get to where I was at the time in want to continue to to be. was really important to me, and so I kind of use that to help best manage whether it was a project or you know a teammate. School, yeah, so then you jumped to the Hawks and you've scripted now from your still partnership activation, but now you're in the NBA, obviously the NBA and the NFL some different audiences. They have some overlap, but there are definitely some differences. There's definitely differences in the personas and the and the clientele, and whatever may be the partnerships different Are there different perspectives on their different approaches? It is it really changed a lot as you go from the NFL? The NBA, or is it still kind of best practices that you were able to use as he? As he jumped the NBA big learning curve like what was I like? Yeah definitely a big learning curve. You know putting on. Ten Super Bowls ten home games right in the NFL. And then you go new jump up to forty one. which was a little bit of a change plus Here in at state FARM ARENA ATLANTA. News is a huge part of what we do, and so our building programmed with concerts or family shows comedy shows whatever you know, almost three sixty five, but yes, to all the about I mean MBA. NFL is our different very much. So in my opinion in the product writer, the the identity of the League, and their audience or fan base like you mentioned so I think the NFL holds the top spot for America's favorite sport, but. If you're looking at purely viewership and whatnot. That's what you're GONNA see. But the NBA's popularity is on the rise, and it's because it's such a progressive league. It's you know a lot more digital? It's a lot more global. It's lot more millennial. It's young. So when you're looking to buy sports sponsorship, that's what you're looking at is who is the audience of the League and then the team in the market? You know who is the reach? What is the purpose and? So for us. Our most valuable asset partners is like I, mentioned earlier, the power association with our brand and our logo. And being able to leverage the passion of our fans so while you may see a lot of similar brands. Sponsor across many leagues. Teams, right. Coach, Joseph doesn't just sponsor within the NBA on. It's the Lens of how they're activating. That differs across each based on those Those few things, the audience and being the main. How how difficult was it important for you to become a data person in some ways to so you could really get into the demographics of your audience and know who we are reaching, and then you know return on their sponsors, investments, or whatever and be able to really articulate through, or do you feel like it was more important to be on that relationship marketing creative side? On I think a mix I think six has changed a lot. You know used to just kind of selling sign at a now. It's you now putting together preparing this robust programming integrated campaigns for these brands and everything's kind of customer. Not this cookie cutter approach anymore. and. With that you know everything is very much so data driven, and so you know we like to say our. Oh. Return on objective because. You know in order to measure the impact or the success of a partnership. You know it's GonNa be different across different different brands based on what their business initiatives were, so someone's looking like I mentioned a drive retail sales, you know you have a number to strive for. If someone's looking to you, know, drive impact and community and expand their community for footprint. You know what numbers metric right that you can help. There's no. I'm you know from a from an Roi standpoint, so it's definitely especially in the last. Five six years. been really important to kind of hone in on some of those skills. Be a little bit more analytical I'm still learning but Nah me, too. Very much so important and just as important I'd say as having the marketing argument. Yeah, for sure you have a busy day ahead so I don't WanNa. Take any more of your time. We'll finish up with this and I. Really appreciate you giving as as much insight as you have. I read a referral on your linked in page I always like to read what other people say about people about the interview and someone described you as a self motivated go-getter, which I find to be like an extreme compliment. Is that attribute that being self motivated and able to accomplish things on your own. Do you think that's essential for success in the sports industry? Well. Thank you for saying that. I mean I would say so. Absolutely look. It's retouched on earlier, but the sports industry is a weeding out. INDUSTRY IS SAY A. You know it's not for everybody and I think a chief pain point for many working in the industry as those long hours a are involved in working those nights and weekends, and even working holidays is the norm right Christmas thanksgiving. It's all about what games on, so you have to be self motivated. You have to be passionate about the work that you're doing in. Have that twenty four seven go-getter mentality to get through it and you know alters your lifestyle and your. You know family arrangements, but there's a certain kind of. In knowing that you're not in this alone I think that's my favorite part about working in sports. Is that it's into large industry, but it is actually pretty small and. If you are that self-motivated. Passionate hardworking diligent individual. You know you're exactly who we're looking for. That's fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on today and sharing your journey from University of Florida to Miami Dolphins Delano. It's so cool. This resume doesn't have any blips in it. It's like you are like top dog the whole way it's like top shelf the whole really. We've learned a lot about partnership activation hearing so much about you and your journey. What motivates you and I think that is extremely helpful and insightful for everybody in our audience, so thanks so much coming on. So much for having me this awesome. I love the real business. Talk the career journey stuff is exciting, a love that conversation, but sometimes just digging into the problems that are faced the challenges deviation the ideas it gets me all geeked up because I like to see things differently, which gets back to my original point in the intro of talking about curiosity I. Consider Myself extremely curious person I want to learn about new things my middle child. Child is way into astronomy right now I know nothing about astronomy by looked into getting him this fancy telescope and I was researching it for hours, and it was super interesting to me, even though I have no real knowledge of astronomy, telescopes or anything like that, but I'm just curious as you learn about these things, they become interesting and being curious and pushing into new areas and being innovative and. And flexible. It's just it's so important right now. More than ever so thanks to Melissa for coming on the show. 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Atlanta Hawks Season Evaluation with Brad Rowland

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Atlanta Hawks Season Evaluation with Brad Rowland

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As you said it's been sort of a fascinating season Both for good. And for ill for this hawks team so a lot to dig into appreciate you having me man. Oh Yeah of course always good to get into it with you a on the hawks. Oh where I wanted to start with this team as we look back on it they were. GonNa get in front of me here. Twenty and forty seven at the beginning of the hiatus would your grade B for this Atlanta Hawks season. Compared to your expectations I will. I will say for a bad team. This is actually harder than I thought it was going to be too great it and I hadn't thought about this I land somewhere around C. minus range because on one hand the stuff that actually matters for the future like the young guys and especially trae young that was not a bad necessarily outcome overall. But on the other hand the team sal the underperformed their vegas over under and some of the baselines that you would look at and the roster building was. Kinda strange so I think it has to be a below average mark but I also. I'm sort of conflicted because I guess the most important thing on the rosters trio making a leap so that kind of brings it up a little bit. I'll still land slightly negative though around minus range. Yeah I think that makes sense right because you're I mean. Trey really came on John. Collins got suspended for twenty five games. That's that's probably going to hurt your grade a little bit. But I thought that he played about his was you could hope to once he actually was available again. Cam Reddish had a terrible start to the year. But I don't think anyone's expecting him to be great and he showed some signs. We'll talk about that The Andre Hundred. Maybe a little disappointing especially considering that They traded up to get him and he he was really supposed to be a part of this future out if he showed that. And then obviously the compared to expectations. My expectations were that they're going to have big time problems at backup center and backup point guard and with these rookie wings and that all happened. So they really. I guess what I would say is I would give trae young. And A and like the rest of the team a D. minus but trae young is the most important thing about the future. See I think C. minus makes sense to me. That's about right. I mean there are some positives and Trae by far the biggest positive but and I also agree that you know the expectations. I would say it kind of depends on what you thought of the team coming into the year I think some of the outside factors were a little bit higher but even even the teams internal expectations were more modest than the vegas over under. Was traveling spin on the record. Multiple Times saying the heat He and the analytics team had about thirty win projection. Hey Look I knew just how damaging it was going to beat to not have a backup point guard. Were well aware coming in. Our expectations are much lower. I'm with you one hundred percent on this. We realized this preseason to we. We both talked about how we're the supporting cast was and that's GonNa come up again. I'm sure on this podcast but Yeah it's sort of mixed bag all the way around. So let's talk about trae young and would you say that he. I mean when we talk before the season we talked about him potentially leading the NBA and assist which Shaikh leadoff given. How good he was did not happen. I mean it shouldn't shock but It was that we were hired him and in that way we thought he'd be good but he didn't. Those wanted it didn't turn out. But what was it about? His Performance. This year that enabled him to go to the next level. And be an all-star starter. We were so far off with trae. He that he finished second 'cause liberal Lebron actually had the highest rate of his career which is coming but The going back to Trae I think the biggest jump that he made and it was a jump over all to be sure the passing was kind of already there but just being able to maintain what was essentially a league efficiency. He fell off a little bit down the stretch but even still essentially average thirty points and nine assists with about fifty nine sixty percent true shooting and that is just kind of speaks for itself. I know I know there are issues with him. Defensively and the team was so heavily based around him but there are not a lot of guys who could carry the usage rate in the low that he carried and still maintain that level efficiency in addition to an elite level. Passer so I think all offensively he basically made the biggest joke that you could possibly foreseen and I think even internally I have a hard time believing that they saw this coming year too because if they did they probably would have built a little bit more feverishly to win now so you know just the fact that he was able to shoot the ball more consistently and better to the line so often and kind of be that. Um that BS fouls rubber draw. You talked about a lot on the podcast. But he's just sort of this offensive engine that I think he was billed to be when they drafted him eventually. Year to being this good Almenda. The floor is something they just couldn't have seen coming to have thirty five percent usage. Which is a massive number of Michael Jordan? Kobe Bryant ask number and we are in this situation now where stars able to ramp up their usage perhaps more than ever before with the amount of spacing that we have but to have that kind of usage and then also forty five percent free throw rate for a guy who's not exactly like a power driver getting to the line and finishing over people and that's That's very impressive. It does make you wonder if they ever got into a playoff setting of teams are really locked in on not following him kind of James Harden likely would his vision. See go down. But that's That's not a concern as of right now for this hawks team and the only thing that really sticks out that he needs improve is the turnovers and perhaps if they get a little bit more ron him where he doesn't have to create everything he can get a little bit more efficient in that area so yeah he was fantastic Would you say other than the fact that Trae Young Is really you know moving into where being close to an all? Nba Level a player. Would you say are the biggest things that this team learned this year? I think that's the most important one. But even beyond that and we sort of alluded to it earlier. I think I would hope that they learn the importance of having Mba Quality. Players up and down the roster. Not even really I mean it's it's funny but the fact that this was so foreseeable that they were gonNA be. And it's not just trays on off numbers. But Trade. Off Number so glaring. There was nothing behind him for most of the season. But I think for like two start an era but like two three months into the season. They've got like a ninety two offensive rating when he's off the floors of Atlantic up a little better when t got there but it was It was ugly. It really was and it was so foreseeable. I mean I think people that up down the whether you were in Atlanta or not paying attention closely to the roster. It was just something that was upset projectable. That would happen so I'm hoping that the front office figure that out as well and I think this is sort of the same thing but they also diagnosed pretty clearly during season at center was going to be a problem for them. And they were linked Andre Drummond for however long that ended up happening in the ended up swinging the trade for Clint Cappella And you know in. In the meantime they sent out the only guy that actually was playing competent minutes limits. Senator and Alex Len but he's going to be free agent to and wasn't necessarily starting center moving forward if he knew that so. I I think just the importance of death. I think they probably also knew that giving so many minutes to the rookies early was going to not be a good thing on the court of it probably sort of towing that line of the importance of the future and investing in these players versus actually winning now and I think they did know deep down. This was not going to be a great roster this season but they also just made it so tough to evaluate certain players by just basically putting a couple of positions entirely backup point guard especially and even the supporting veterans. They had elsewhere. You Know You. Allen Crabs and your. Vince Carter's was actually. This was still playing at age. Forty two forty three and not playing very well etc. They just kind of had so many holes that it makes it difficult to evaluate their own players. And it's also a pretty clear nation as as to why they struggled so much. Yeah and definitely. I was critical. That and I think some people might be like well. Hey you know in your philosophy that it's just useless to chase the eighth seed like. Why does this really matter after all? They weren't going to do anything if they're in the playoffs. The seed was artificially bad this year even for the Eastern Conference if it was even remotely competent to get there even if they fill those wholesome they're not getting their of so. I understand that thought but it was just. There's no reason not to do it. You know they're citing Jabari Parker for six million dollars for no reason right like there's and just even get a semi competent backup or especially at center where you've got plenty of options available Ain't though to destroy it and just like you're seeing that the way they were losing gained started to wear on trae young it may have started to wear according to reports on the relationship between trae young and Lloyd Pierce and so it's not like especially with the new draft format. It's not like they're going to get some awesome pick anyway this year And so you might. As well have filled those holes I think ultimately especially because they made a bunch of other moves. That were kind of like. Oh they are actually trying to get better. But then others weren't really consistent with that and that seems like that's very traffic light to me right like it's really hard for me to figure out what he what his philosophy is like. He'll make a lot of moves where he's just taking And trying to build up the asset base but then he makes a move like throwing all the chips in for de'andre honor so I i. It's really hard. He's a very inconsistent. Gm When you look at evaluating his move. I totally agree and you know there are some of them. That are very clear as to what you're doing like for instance last summer they take on Allen Crab and get basically two first round picks they sent her in Princeton Brooklyn. That was a move that was clearly future facing and I thought it was a pretty good value decision. They didn't love what Prince was going to give them long term. They didn't WANNA pay him and ended up with two first round picks. And that's actually a good use of resources but then you turn around and buy even even someone who likes down one hundred like do. You've pretty clearly overpay in that trade even even in the moment For a guy who's going to be a role player for you. It's just a lot of pluses and minuses. That Jabari Parker thing. Baffled me as well I would have talk about that too much but it was very clear very quickly. They didn't make a lot of sense and they plan on it only a few months time. It's just it it is kind of mixed signals that they put forth and I do find myself kind of picturing how bad things would have been this year for the Hawks have trae young. Didn't make the leap mate because they were already pretty bad And it concerned that no one projected that if he had just been marginally better than your one still been a good still been a good useful future facing player for the tea but not necessarily this breakout star. It would be even more vexing in some ways because at least now they know and they can sort of bank on and claim having this number one offensive engine that they're very confident and because they've already seen this happen they didn't have that it would be even more confusing to me so anything else that pops out to you. The team learned about adult this year. I mean it's it's interesting. I think they learned a some stuff about the young guys. But we'll probably get into later. It was kind of stagnant. But it was about what you would expect. Maybe a little bit below what you would expect for Gaza. Kevin hurter indie Andrei Hunter. I don't think it's panic. Time for either one of those guys but not necessarily a huge jump for her from year one year. Two Hunter as an older rookie. I think people thought he might be a little bit better than he was. And I saw this coming a mile away when he was when when a trade happened. But you you compare what they traded for him and the fact that you have this top five sheen of being this high draft. Pick people start to think that you're going to be better than you're going to be. That's not his fault but I thought he was just okay. He wasn't terrible but he wasn't great. Either they just you know they learned about John Collins. That's something that I wanted to point out to. We'll talk about I'm sure Once the suspension was over. And that's a that's a big thing this season about. What happened with the Hawks team and why they probably lost more games than they should have. Is that Collins was quite good after he came back but that's almost more of a created question because he is good but now you start hearing that they're gonNa want a lot of money him and his him and his team as they probably should but at the message on him too so learning things is not necessarily clear they probably made some notes and certainly take some takeaways but other than trae young and just this roster building that you hope that they answer. They kind of have more questions than they had a year ago which is kind of a vaccine. Yeah they aren't GonNa have a decision to make it on him. And I mean I think my advice would be sniffer on the trade market for him a little bit and because the fit with trae as a defensive player is a little limited but I think and so if they can get something. That's really good for John Collins. Maybe they do that. But I'm sure they WANNA see what it looks like with Collins an Cappella playing together. And maybe there's a thought that that could work And I mean that's a huge part of it. What was your opinion of the moves that they made it the deadline where they ship out a first rounder Brooklyn's first rounder to get Capella. And then they also Sh- traded Jabari Parker for Dwayne deadman. Basically taking on a about seven million dollars extra for next year to bring deadman back to be a backup center. The move for deadman was interesting on a number of levels. They they they send out Parker who I think. It was pretty clear by that point. They did not want to have for next season. And I think everyone's assuming he's got that player option. I won't I won't do the voice that you often do on the pod but I think that's probably GonNa be picked up So they were not excited about that. I don't think and as a result of that You could probably call this a sunk cost fallacy to some degree but they said that out They bring Dwayne diamondback. I think everyone knows dwayne. Deadman is overpaid on his contract but they also liked Dwayne a quite a bit in Atlanta the previous two years. He was at his best with the Hawks and really and they've said this. I'm not sure how much two way this but they definitely valued this and trading for deb. And they wanted someone. Who was this local veteran that they didn't really have aside from Vince? Carter who obviously is like the ultimate forty two year old Ben through the Wars Guy Deadman is this more brash loud vocal leader and they wanted that you not the value of that is certainly debatable. But if he can shoot again and that's the big question with Edmund as if he can refine the shooting stroke that he had previously. It's still a bad contract but it's a guy who is useful and who has been. I would say starting starting caliber center in his time in Atlanta and now his role was obviously smaller plane behind Cappella and Colin. So that that move was mixed in that. You're you're quiring. What I think is a negative value contract. But you're also sending on out in Jabari and throwing Alexander who they probably work in. Resign makes some sense A S with a cappella thing. I think the Capella move value is is perfectly appropriate. Your trading a non lottery. Pick for a guy who is a obviously an above average starting center. I don't think he's a star but I think he fits a lot of what they wanted in that position. The question of course is how he fits with Collins but Capella will help them defensively he can be a nice pick and roll partner for trae young on. He's on appropriate contract it honestly. It probably felt even better because I was sort of resigned to the hawks may be training for Drummond or giving drumming a boatload of money because they clearly had decided they were going to do something big at center so this move may may not have been my first choice but considering all they had to give up was a modest first round pick in a pretty shaky draft to get a guy who is locked in who we know is a good player. I thought it was a pretty a pretty solid move not overwhelming one but certainly one. I couldn't complain about yeah. Capella makes eighteen and a half million per year on average over the next three years after this one the way I thought about it. I think there's a couple of ways you can look at it. One would be away. I thought you guys were chilling out and just continuing to develop young guys and you weren't making moves. Are you just doing this because like trae young is good now? And he's unhappy in your reacting in a panic to that. Or you're you're reacting to the fact that you didn't meet the petitions this year you can look at it that way but the way. I look at it as you need. A good defensive senator to pair next. Ah trae young. You might be able to find that in the draft but that players not be ready for two or three years anyway And so clean. Capella is probably a better defensive center. Did anyone who reasonably would have been available in free agency with their forty seven million dollars cap space this year over the next couple years. And so if you are of the opinion yes. We need a good defensive. Our which you do probably a tracheotomy. You're not going to be one of these like versatile switching teams when you have trae young out there that that was really their only option and the price wasn't too bad And so that was I think it was a pretty good move. We'll see it's not perfect especially as you mentioned with Collins but that's kind of more Collins Fault than Capellas Fault. I think you know what you're getting in. Capella is what it comes down to. And they they clearly identified and probably overreacted to some degree as you sort of alluded to there like they they. I'm not sure if they just figure this out during the season but it was clear at some point that they were like. Oh we don't have the center and that's killing us in a number of ways and they kind of made the move to do that and I think the German rumors were real at the time when they hit because they were just they were just deciding they were going to do something at center and Capella will help them defensively. I'm with you that you can't really play that. Fully switching scheme with trae on the court and Capella just addresses a lot of needs for them. And you know as much as we probably advocate at least I do regularly taking your time as a rebuilding team. They've not been too shy boy. Pierce came out before the hiatus and kind of said that the playoffs so the goal next year in a way. That was probably more frank than I've said that before so they're they're speeding up a little bit here probably not too much. I would hope but there is. I think they're probably ready to win. I know trays ready to win. And that kind of is a signal to maybe just a tray and maybe the maybe ownership that we understand that it's time to start winning now and Cappella. Obviously how some do that. What are the biggest questions that this season didn't answer for this group? I think We talked about Collins earlier. A little bit just the fact that they have to decide what to what to do with him and actually I think Collins is better than most people think that he is and I think his jump shot coming around is helpful. But that's still a question of they have to answer as to what they want to invest. What could be a nine figure contract in him next summer or even this summer if they chose to do an extension which that would not be a great idea my opinion but if they wanted to do that it wouldn't stunned me if they pull the trigger but even the wing I mean they had these three guys Kevin Herder cameras hunter and they like them all all drafted? They've drafted them all in the last two years Herder had a nice rookie season and then was okay again this year. But you know. Is that your three man tandem on the wing or is it GonNa be you know they have this lottery. Pick THIS YEAR THEY HAVE. They have all this cap space. Do they want to try to make a big splash? Consolidation trade of some sort? They do have a question about who is going to be there who who were going to be there guys on the wing and right now. I have a question for you real quick on yet in European. Have any of those three guys shown enough to where you would pass up on a potential opportunity? Either in the draft or in free agency to Kinda get someone if not over the top of them at least to add into that mix to compete with them. I would say no. I think they do need more and I I would say three of those. Have Room to grow This is just me reading. The tea leaves not necessarily fully sourced. But I think they would probably have value reddish is the number one guy right now They've loved reinisch since well before the draft that was a very poorly kept secret Even during the season last year and I know he was terrible at the outset of the year but he started really flashing in the second half. And I don't want to overreact to that. I hope they don't want to overreact to that as well but he did show what they saw in Him. The last couple of months before the hiatus but with that said. I don't think that there is any reason to make any of these guys untouchable or make any of these guys. Sort of Foolproof to not go over the top of them if they the options on the free agent market as you well know not exactly spectacular this year but they could certainly use a guy like Joe Harris they could. They could use a supporting peace. Who's good maybe starting caliber player to add into the mix and the honestly? I would be surprised. They weren't at least looking around. Maybe do one of those big consolidation trades. You never know who's going to be available but if you get a guy who is more of an upper tier player they do have some assets to go ahead and move and do one of those kind of all in sort of push your chips in the middle kind of moves that would involve almost by default one or two of these young guy so no one is established just yet. I think they have high hopes for all three of them. But if it's me I would say none of them approve enough to be you know. Definitely right in Penn. You know starters for the next five years. Is there anyone on the free agent market this year? That you would say. Let's give a real contract to you. Know Starter money for years you know. Fifteen to twenty million dollars. A year for your. Is there anyone on the market this year? That you say yes like this. This is someone I would want to bring in at that type of a level for this team. Who honestly probably not when you when you talk about what. I'm assuming you're meaning which is four years. What sixty seventy million dollars? Something like that for a start or I mean started. Bunny could even end up being more even more than that the other who does I mean? There's there's a lot of money you're on the League. You couldn't theory get a good deal on something like that. But of course there's the issue that a lot of these guys are in their late twenties already. If not even later on that right you have the combination of the guys who you might look at or a little bit older and also you know they're just not that many quality options right now you know. Obviously if you take a D. and Brandon Ingram off the table which is probably reasonable given those situations. There probably isn't another guy. I mean you could look at maybe Bogdonovich but do they match do the Kings match reasonable deal. I would imagine they probably do I don't know my favorite guy that I always talk about as the most logical option for me at a reasonable price is probably the guy much before which is Joe Harris. But do you want to give Joe Harris four years and sixty seventy million dollars. That sounds like a lot for Joe. Harris he's not that young either and I liked Joe Harris quite about that. You helped him and they need shooting in a desperate way but by the way for those who forgot this is the worst three point shooting team in the NBA at around thirty three percent. And if you take out trae young and the also consider how often trae young is setting guys up for open threes. You know. That's the team percentage probably like thirty two percent. I mean. That's just just atrocious. Obviously yeah if you want to be optimistic you could point out the fact that the guys who actually matter the core pieces shot much better than the guys who didn't matter the guy who won't be back. That's the one sort of if you want to try to find the rainbow in there is the fact that her and hunter and Collins. Those guys actually shot decently well but else on the roster was just brutal and they have to find more shooting which is another reason why I bring up a guy like Harris or gallic. Data's baton someone like that who who could fill that role but batons is not a great fit on this roster for instance with Collins already on the team and hunter may be playing some four so the short answer to your question about four year. Real contract is probably know which is not not what you want to see for a team. That has a lot of space. Yeah but you also questioned with everybody's shooting for the summer of twenty twenty one. Are They GonNa do any better at that point But I mean I don I would think about it like. He's a little bit better than expected. Defensively ethic for for a Lotta people and he would give them a little bit more driving passing decision making than someone like hurt her and I might actually consider that especially because the position that they're in. It's okay to wait on a restricted free agent. And Yeah they probably would end up getting matched but it's not the end of the world where they are as a team if they don't get so one necessarily Evan Forty is that when you might consider I thought about I thought about bringing him up. I mean it wouldn't be the thing in the world I'd rather have mcdonagh Mitch out of those two guys Just for where they are And I wouldn't be super opposed to either of them. I I do think that if you want to have any chance of the kings not matching on Bogdonovich. You probably have to pay a number that I wouldn't love to pay. That's kind of thinking but there's not a huge opportunity cost for them. Either right at this point. I mean they're not I. It's it's basically because I think what you really have to compare it to is paying him. Twenty million or anyone else that you're GonNa pay twenty million to free agency as well so it he actually does start to look more palatable by comparison at that point Georgia Georgia native contiguous caldwell-pope. I wouldn't be opposed. I've always Kinda liked him. I know you like him I think he would make some sense on this roster especially defensively. He would help them I don't know what the market is for. Kcpt that's one of those guys. I have no idea what he's going to get the summer. I really don't But if it's a reasonable number sure he he actually makes sense to me Yeah and then there's also just gave more at backup point guard as well. I also thought Jordan Clarkson might actually be a reasonable fit for this team just because they need one more guy who can create a shot off the bench and anybody could play a little bit. I mean he's going to help the defense but Again there's not a ton of people available on this On this free agent market this year it is not a Fr- it's not a fun for agent class when you're looking ahead at a team that is still rebuilding and has seven million dollars in cap space. You look at the list and no one. Gets you overwhelmingly excited? I probably get a question per day about free agency and I just kind of look at it and say Unless you think Brandon Ingram gettable. I don't I don't get it and he's not by the way Yeah I wouldn't give her excited Olga Grushin but that's that's an important question for this team going forward What is long biggest long-term need for this team? We've hit on it a little bit already. But if you're going to consider that Collins and Cappella and trae young are gonNA stick around. What's the biggest thing that they need? I think they need honestly. They probably need a legitimate number two creator that they don't have right. Now we're talking about contention at the highest levels. They they need someone that's not. It's not curly on the roster. In my opinion I guess it's possible that Reddish makes that kind of job. I don't really see it. I do think collinses an awesome offensive player. And that you know he's kind of he's clue operating number two right now and did a really good job at this season. But let's see has more room to grow and I think he probably does to an extent as a creator type not like going to be your primary but someone who can do a little bit more off the Gerbil some soup. Dhl stuff. We'll see what he can do But I think ultimately you're looking probably a little bit higher when it comes to another maybe not primary but a legitimate secondary creator. They can run your offense or at least have your pursuit of your focal point when trey leaves the court In the draft. That's what I assume that they were looking for if they get lucky in this class Spoiler alert this class has not very good so not not not a great time to be looking at that but You know in addition to shooting which is a clear need and just defensive talent because you have to kind of boxing treong there. Isn't this one glaring me that that's the one positive if you WANNA take approach this team is that if if it all works out which it never does for any of these rebuilding teams you. I mean just to be honest you know I mean that's a great point to make it that I think a lot of people are like. Oh Yeah we got this guy and this guy and this guy and this guy and it's like well you got to be realistic. You know half of these players on average are just not going to be anything more than back. That's what's happening now. Honestly and that's a lot of the discussions that I have with fans and people that I think are smart fans but they start doing the starting lineup game with this team and you know it always involves all of young all of young players. And it's I just tried to caution people that you know one or two of these guys are probably not going to work out in the way that you want them to or they're gonNA get traded or they're gonna get consolidated or something like that so they don't have a glaring need at the same time they probably are going to have to improve somewhere whether it be you know one of the wing spots is probably the most glaring spot that they could do that as that assumes of course that Collins a Cappella ends up working. 'cause that doesn't work you're looking at a trade probably of one of the two and then you have another issue altogether. So there's a lot of uncertainty honestly with this roster despite having all this young talent troy young the only guy that I you absolutely right. It in Penn two years from now to be on this team and that kind of it's kind of scary but it's also intriguing because they do have on these assets biggest positive surprise you the season. I assume it would be trae young Sir development but is what would be your number two. Yeah that's certainly number one I think I think honestly it would have to be John Collins Development There's not an obvious number two here so this is just me picking something else. That's legitimate positive. Surprise Collins took real steps defensively. He still not perfect on it all night on the floor but it was thought markedly better this season than he had been previously. Which gives you some hope for him and then if you just honestly I try not to do too much of this. But you look at his numbers and his efficiency. It's really kind of staggering. What he was able to do offensively And how much of that is believable? Or how much about is winning basketball is up for interpretation but this is a guy who essentially averaged twenty and ten on sixty plus percent true shooting and is one of the best present. Sixty five percents. Yeah so that's like a pretty high usage for a big a wall twenty three percent usage. So that's no. He definitely is a positive offense apart. Reserve big difference between his performance at center and powerpoint offensively A little bit but at the same time I think it's almost almost. WanNa throw it out with him. Play next next center because the centers that he was playing with Other than some Alex. Len minutes were really just shaky. I'll say that to be kind. Like playing a lot of mets with Damian Jones or a lot of minutes with Brunner. Fernando is not gonNa tell you much as you enjoy Jimmy Damian Jones Ha I had him on my notes to bring up if you ask me questions. But no Damian Damian Damian was an adventure I like. I think he's a very nice kid. And that's what's kind of rough about having to kill them all the time and honestly I will be. I'll be favorable. I think Damian is actually an NBA caliber. Roll man offensively. But everything else is not is not there for Damian but Yeah I think the one big development to go along with just the just. The raw efficiency that calls able to post was that I actually do believe in his jumper at this point. I think it looks good. The results were good. I'm not sure it's GONNA be forty percent from three like you. Was this season. But I'm pretty sold on him being a high thirty three point shooter. And if that continues to be the case that's a real development and of gives you more optimism about him playing the four. I've been on record for a long time that I think he probably is best suited at the five but the way that they're developing him. There's at least more reason now than I would have had a year ago to think that he actually can work as a four long-term on both ends of the floor. The big question for me is his defensively. CaN'T HE GUARD FORCE. Can you defend fours? Is the real question but he develop as an as an awful rip protector or weakside guy was better at that role on struggles. Still in like primary actions defensively but he really took a big jump. The suspension really clouded. A lot of things both team-building wise and results wise. And I guess you know I'm not reporting this but it could have soured. I mean I'm not sure I'm sure they were. Not Happy with Sean Collins getting suspended so that kind of a wrench and things but just simply on the court once he came back I thought he was very good and that was a big positive for them. Yeah you could see it. Maybe it'll be interesting experiment with him and Cappella defensely. I'm not sure that it can't work. I think yeah he. He's going to struggle. If you're he's got a guard. So when are you going to switch? You'RE GONNA play a conventional pickerel deep for you. Not Allow teams do that anymore. Maybe what you say is that you have a more aggressive style. A lot of teams used to do that. You know like the Pacers backrooms David West and Roy Hibbert. If they ran a pick and roll at the four they would hedge pretty hard with the four baby. You do that and then you say. Hey if you get the four on three at least you got cappella back there to clean up the mess a little bit. Maybe that's your philosophy and then you say You know you've got to potential RIM PROTECTORS. You can get every single defensive rebound you can be huge on the offensive glass on the other end and you know maybe it's something that could cause teams to promise socially in the Eastern Conference but then you're like okay. What do you do when you go up against the Celtics and Jason? Tatum is the four Junk College is GonNa Guard like Gordon Hayward or something or you go up against Pascal Siaka. Who's probably GONNA be too big for the whoever you have at the three You know maybe hunter can develop. And that's the other problem too. Is Hunter really a three? If you're really you know or maybe he's just not going to be a key part of it you know. Maybe that's what it's going to be but Because it does seem like that. It seems like they've kind of with this cappella move now. Hunter has kind of shoehorned into play in the three. They've certainly created some more questions about that by adding a center that they're clearly invested in for you know multiple years and who's obviously a good player. Hunter I mean on the bright side you can say pretty much. All of their pieces. Other than trae young Capella or multi. Position guys who can shift around and be a little bit versatile on the other side if you if you think the owner is more of a four and that is the jury is certainly out on that but if he becomes the guy that you like the four you're kind of in a bind because yes you skill level is high enough to be the three. That's the big question. I think His second year will be huge to to evaluate. He's a guy who I know. He's an older rookie but There's also something to be said for the fact that he's going from Virginia to the NBA is kind of a joke that people underrate how different it is playing that. Very Virginia style basketball They were especially even defensively. Like I don't know. Hundred is a guy who is interesting in a number of ways but even if you don't love him at the three other lineups that you know their best lineup this season which is kind of ironic was all five young guys playing together. That was the lab that I I mean. It's a small sample but that lineup is actually very effective. With Hunter at the Foreign Collins at the five It is still a small sample size. But if you look at their lineup data that was by far their best lineup this season. So there's something to be said for that too but then you also just invested in Capella. So I guess if you want to be missed it you could. You could talk yourself into a scenario in a playoff series where you're playing forty eight minutes with either. Capelle Collins at center you stagger those guys you have hundred play some four. You can sort of see how might come together but at the same time if you think hunter is a four A. does get a little bit dicey as to either. He's not part of your core or you know it just kind of you. Maybe you're shoehorning him in like you said to the three and obviously they paid so much for him. That having that be the result would not be the greatest. Look in the world if he's if he's sort of a bit player for you all right. If a ten defensively is Andrea woodall or something you know like the best wing defender and you know a five is just your average guy who's not going to get totally steamrolled on the wing out on a ten point scale. Where is his defense at right now? Is He really like anywhere? Close to being the lockdown guy that being drafted number four overall would indicate no. He's not based on his rookie season. I think you know the the the physical measurable that you would WanNa see. You know. He's six eight with the seven to wingspan. He's strong. He's currently better on the ball off the ball which was which was also the case in college. I'm not ready to give up on him as a high level. You know eight or nine on that scale eventually. That's in play. I would not bank on that anymore. But he certainly not there yet. He's somewhere in the middle like he's passable. Thought he was on defense this year. Probably better than your average rookie on defense. But that's not going to move the needle for you and in fact I thought Red Reddish was pretty clearly better than hunter defensively this season and Reddish was actually You know I almost as bright spot earlier when I talked. Whenever I talk about Collins Russia's defense I was high on it coming in to college coming into the NBA out of college but he was very good defensively. This season Both I would say for a rookie. He was good early and then just objectively in the second half he was just. I thought he was above average wing defender by the end of the year And that's you know still we'll see. It's one year of sample size but It is kind of. It's both telling on hunter and also telling Reddish that reddish is better than hunter. Right now defensively. Because it's not really a shot at hunter. It's more of an endorsement of Reddish but I think the Hawks would probably agree with me on this. By by the end of the year especially on smaller wings Reddish was the better option. You could convince me that hunter against a guy like Lebron or collide. That's those big physical guys that he was drafted to defend. Maybe he's still better. But against like your your average you know shooting guard size player. I would have rather had reddish this year which is which I think is pretty interesting. Yeah now that that is fascinating Yeah I mean I think maybe you can say if hunter you know you just you don't want to get caught up now. I mean he's on the team can't cry over spilled milk drafted number four. But if you're thinking about what role he can play you know. Maybe he does come in off the against a lot of teams but then if you gotta go up against Lebron or Kawhi or Pasquale Siaka. Maybe you say all right. We'RE GONNA. He's got the size will throw them in there. He can just not get totally overwhelmed physically. But if we don't have that type of matchup than maybe. His ROLE GETS MINIMIZED. Because as you mentioned the. Oh He's a limited a as off ball guy as art. Let's let's put through some of the rest of these questions here. We've got a lot of tangent so Biggest disappointment to you the season. It's interesting I think. The answer is just the overall roster conjunction which we talked about before just the way that it was so foreseeable Collins suspension would be on the list because I'm not sure they would have really contended for the eighth spot but as soon as that happened it was over because they were they were so utterly ghastly during that time that he missed And it might have happened to an certain extent anyway but they just could not afford that which is even more right because they signed Jabari Parker a part to give them depth at the four nate netting. Gobert well I gotta be honest with you I will say other than that. You know substance disappointment about the guys like Parker and Evan Turner and Damian Jones and Bruno Fernando. But that's kind of what sunk them so or Allen crab too I mean like I thought at least crab he even and even when he was healthy just like couldn't make a shot. I mean it was like for for Vince Carter to be as bad as he wasn't. Yeah I think that was kind of an under appreciated story that the rest of these vats were just so bad I mean one of them could have given them something. I was going to say I think it would have been you know. It's it's a disappointment but having every single one of those additions or veterans be bad is kind of remarkable that none of them were even okay. I'm the only guy that you could say that was not. I'm not a part of the core. That actually played decently was Alex Len. They traded him And I understand why But he was the only guy that I would save outside of their core pieces that actually played reasonably well this season every other guy they either acquired or sign or whatever they had to do to get those guys there none of them worked out which is kind of amazing team MVP. That's obvious. It's Rayon yes I agree I think if you WANNA get really weird and say if college doesn't get to spend it you could have argued for him to be kind of close but still Rotation player who struggled the most who it was definitely Cam Reddish until the end of December cameras was very bad. Offensively like to the point where. He was a punchline nationally. How bad he was for the first couple of months of the season But aside from that I am from that point. Four there isn't like a clear answer I don't know take your pick of Allan crabb Carter Evan Turner and Damian Jones. Any of those guys I was GONNA say Damian. This is what I will lead to earlier. David Jones is probably the right answer because he played the most of these guys and he was so damaging. I mean I don't want to pile on. But the numbers with him on versus off are telling they were just they could not defend at all with damage on the court and I felt bad about that but he's probably the right answer for this yet. Negative fourteen net rating Eight point three points per one hundred possessions worse within the floor that was actually starting a a reasonable number against this weird thing where they weren't starting Alex Len for some reason and they start Damian Jones instead which I I agree so anywhere else We talked about the young players. But give me A. Let's just run through them all really quickly Give a letter grade for development for all the teams Young Star Trail. A maybe a plus. It's one of those two based on what he did from your one year too. I mean you could. You could quibble with the with the defense. That's the big question and I think if you WANNA BE FAVORABLE. He was slightly better. Defensively in your to. Then you're one. He's still very bad but I'll still say because he was the jump and he may was just ludicrous. So the Andre Hunter see I would say I think he's. He's gotten a little bit a little bit more heat than I would have given him. Because I think I just kind of saw this coming more than most people dude got like. I said before the shy being top five pick was Going to play into how he was going to be evaluated objectively. He was about what I thought he was going to be as a rookie. Maybe a little bit were so I'll say I'll say I see. Yeah I think you and I were just coming out for lower expectations am but do you think he got visibly better. The season went along. I do I think it wasn't. It wasn't in the way that reddish did like it was so noticeable but just the little things I think hunters. Awful defense improved. I think more comfortable just letting it fly offensively as a shooter as the season went along and he had some notable games. I think there's one in my mind where he was. He was asked to guard. James Harden Early in the season and got absolutely decimated and then the second time he actually was competitive and I thought it's just a one off but that's in my head for some reason as evidence that he was better but I I think he was. It wasn't just this massive jump but you could see the sons Kevin hurt I will say C. Plus I think he stalled a little bit from year one to year to the same things that he needs to work on from your one he still needs to work on which is not what you want Just getting getting to the line getting to the rim finishing effectively. I think people don't wash the hawks think of Kevin Herder as like this calc over type just pure shooter and he I mean he is. He's a good shooter but he has a lot more to his game than that on. Ideally in the hawks believe in it but he's got to be more confident more sort of just physically stronger to in the future to get to the rim defensively. He was probably a little bit better but still got. You can probably attack. He's terrible terrible but he he has to get stronger and he didn't really do that from your one year two ends. He's a tough fit with the La- trae defensively Of course cameras. I'm guessing you'll probably be pretty high on him. Given where he started the year and where he ended it. Yeah I would probably say like be plus. I mean the difference between between October and February for came radishes astronomical and part of that he was so bad early and it's worth pointing out that reddish basically missed the whole summer because he had this core muscle injury that he suffered during the predrag process. And that's going back a lot. I think that was notable western and that was a. I think. Actually my recollection. Was there saying that that affected him even going back to do? Yeah they said they said that I mean there's there's different schools of fallen how much that affected him in college because there was sort of re injury during the process and he kinda got shut down but even regardless even if it was just the just the summer him missing the summer he got this and then they throw in the deep end and I get why because of what we said before the rotation options were not plentiful but the fact that he was playing. You Know Twenty eight minutes a game out of the gate and was just clearly not ready to do that. Put Him in a tough spot but offensively improves so much defensively like I said before. He was very good throughout the season and got better during the season. So yeah being developed during the season probably a minus even look he. He got a lot better from start to finish. I last member of the young Gora Giancarlo. This is a tough one because of the because of the suspension he. He got a lot better. He was much better in your three than he was previously. Especially defensively we talked about. You know his his efficiency offensively. We just pretty darned impressive. It's almost I think. Been A pre. I certainly think it's meant underappreciated nationally because people kind of know what John Collins says he's the guy who puts up numbers but he was so efficient and so effective around the rim especially. He's one of the best I wanted. I wonder how you feel about this. I think he's one of the best pick and roll dive men slash finishers in the whole league. That's how good he I think he is. He's just so effective and his touch so good around the room as Lilly and then when you throw in that. He also has the option to pop now with his three point shooting. When I like I like guys who can either pop or role to the rim. That that's always a nice to have that optionality especially when with trae young you're GONNA see a lot of times teams changing up their picking real coverage or you know really blitzing him at the point of attack to have it. Where are you got blitz? And you John Collins can just pop out and shoot at three when they do that. That's that could be very useful. I totally agree. And I I do by the jump shot so you know this suspension makes it tough man. You got to give him a letter grade lower because he got suspended on him Something like C. Plus but would have been lost if not for the suspension. Who Do you think will still be a key player on this team in two years? So that's at the start after the offseason that would ever be some offseason in twenty twenty one started the twenty one twenty two season who is still a key player on this group. I will say the only guy that I absolutely go to the Mat. Forest trae young. That's very obvious I would probably put reddish next on the list and that's not again. That's not me breaking news cly but I think they just. They've loved him for so long. They really a few seven the praise of him And he made the jump that he made if he stalls out in your to then. I won't I still won't I STILL. I still wouldn't right in Penn but he'd be the next guide lists just because I obviously causes a lot better than reddish right now but but because collins is going to be free agent that summer and because of the extension negotiations and the fit stuff with Capella. It gives me more pause on Collins than it does with some of the other guys even though he's clue with the second best player on the team right now Other than that. I think I don't think that hunter and herder are just kind of in the same tier it wouldn't surprise with any guys got moved. Just because of what I said before like they might try to do a consolidation trade if they star becomes available. The hawks have the ability to go out and get that kind of guy. I'm not sure that's going to happen because every team wants to be able to do that. But given where they are in their cycle they'd be interested in that almost certainly so if that happens everyone's on the table song so I'll say trae followed by rhetorician. Honestly it's kind of a mixed bag a- after that which is not not not not a sexy answer but it really is kind of just telling high as to how little competence I have that any single one of them will still be here. Yeah but that's a you know during a decent position because they've got some guys who can hit and realistically like we were saying maybe it's only one or two of those guys but they at least have some options. They're not relying on any one player outside of trae young necessarily I last question here. One word to describe. Oh actually no. I'm sorry I skipped one Do you feel better or worse about this team's long-term future now than before the seas I would say better but not by a significant amount and the honestly the only reason I'm saying better or at least the main reason I'm saying better is is the leap that trae young made which we which we talked about but H- having you're having the guy that the organization firmly believes and now has evidence to back this up that is there. Is there engine moving forward? And his now done what he was able to do. This season offensively for a full season where we most of the season That makes you feel better about everything. Because that's the most important part of any rebel is just getting the guy And I think calls better. This season two helps You know the the wings not blowing you away is a little bit of concerning but I still think that they're probably in a better spot a little bit more certainty with their assets. Then there was this time last. So I'll say I'll say better but not nothing that was Glaring missile strike. Yeah Juve more or less confidence in Travis. Shawshank now than you Probably a little bit less Pro You know just because I thought one hundred trae was kind of baffling and I thought this summer even the free agency stuff was kind of baffling but then of course he. He made what I thought was a really good move. I think his second most high-profile move the hundred. Trade was the biggest one but the second biggest mood. They may was the tray with the nets that I thought was a good trade. So it's this. It's this mixed bag. We talked about before. But I'll say a little bit worse because I was truly baffled by the Jabari Parker signing and I was truly baffled by the hunter trade so those two things combined together outweigh the what I thought was a positive trade with nets like when Danny and I were going through earlier. This Last week as you listen to the South Guess And picking the hawks best and worst moves and it was incredible like how many just completely inexplicable moves. They had like the trade for Dwight Howard. Taking on Jeremy Lin for nothing which we've kind of forgotten about. It's taking on twelve million of Jeremy Lin for no reason and then just to have a backup point guard. I guess for last year and then this year that do the exact opposite and just don't even have a back Alley Yoyo completely between like overpaid for a backup point guard in a season. That wasn't going to matter a dead when the season matters more the next year. They don't get it back up on all but then I thought In seasonal teague for crab was I mean. That was good a good move. It wasn't just to do that straight up. And then I thought the tree deadline with Cappella and get bring back but I thought those were solid moves. Also I I agree I it's it's kind of been baffling just to see these moves that I immediately just can't understand like the Lynnwood has lied about that. Because that's one that I found out when we were in Vegas. I was just kind of started on my phone like I can't even read that right. I they're just gonNA take on genuine. So there's there's been a few those during the air but then you know he he he finds John Collins at nineteen he finds Kevin Harder at nineteen. I cameras at ten is GonNa look pretty good in the future There's lots of good scouting moves that he's made. There's a couple of good process moves that he's made. There's also a couple of moves that will make you shake your head so it's this grab bag And I'm not sure what to make of it. Honestly we need more probably. Don't even more evidence to kind of make a firm decision but you know I would say a little bit shakier. Just because of there's there's more evidence now of these moves that don't make sense that I just wonder thinking sometimes so that uncertainty leads me to A little bit lower revealing I last question here and I agree with you. I feel a little bit better about the future. Just because trae young looks like he's so good And we know that that was going to be the case so I mean when you have a star like that. The rest of the stuff doesn't matter as much now. We could talk at some future time. I'm sure about what trae young is really. Get into the playoffs. What some of his weaknesses might be there And you know see really a guy can get you into the second round of the playoffs and beyond but you know that's the problem for the future You know he's the guy who is on track to be a top fifteen player in the NBA and to have that kind of a player as locker not having so Give me one word to describe this team season. I struggle with this. I'm going to cheat a little bit. it is one word. I look this up hit or miss when we take advantage of the high hyphen. I made sure this is legal even with the dictionary. Real research for this nate hit or miss as my answer. I don't love any single work because there's just so many layers to what happened this season but that. Yeah No. That's really good. I was actually was trying to think of a word that would encapsulate that same concept of just right. Trae young was really good. The rest of it was not so good. And you know. That's aw you're GONNA do better than I am does fantastic. Thank God for the Hyphen. I research I promise prepped for this podcast. I wanted to be at Paris. I will with people. Keep up with your Atlanta. Hawks worked before we go here. I am the host of the locked on hawks. Podcast on a network that you are also working on the engine Dunkin show and then I also am the I guess the editor in chief or have you wanna say that for Peachtree. Hoops the estimation site for the hawks. we try to be as non fan driven. 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Thad Sheely: How to Get Your Dream Job

The Playbook

24:24 min | 1 year ago

Thad Sheely: How to Get Your Dream Job

"This Dave Meltzer. With entrepreneurs the playbook and this week. I am so excited because I have the COO the Atlanta Hawks that Sheely to share with us. How do you get a job in sports? Most importantly, number one. He'll talk about not limiting report of entry and to how did get the skills, which is the actual hard skills for him. It was public finance to the knowledge. Understanding the situation knowledge and experience from mentorship. In order to get a job in sports and finally how to maintain the inspiration when you're paid nothing and trying to get your dream job. This is onto preneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success and what made them champions on the field. And in the boardroom. I'm your host and CEO of sports one marketing, David Meltzer. Day Meltzer, CEO's sports, one marketing here with entrepreneurs the playbook, and I have fads Healy the COO of Atlanta Hawks and a Buckeye like me there we go. Thank you for taking the time early at Super Bowl to meet me. Absolutely. Thanks for coming in. Now. When I wanted to talk about most entrepreneurs the look in limit their point of entry. They say I want to do this and keep it very narrow foul. It'd be the GM of the jets going to be Mike right among right? Right. Right. Well, you, and I both have learned through our journey that sports is an industry, and that we truly need three things skills knowledge and desire in order to effect. Wait, what we wanna do where did you start your journey as far as wanting to work in sports, get skills, knowledge and desire. I like that. I would say I think I had a sort of random point of entry but really start around skill. So my second job out of college. I worked in public finance. I didn't really know what I wanna do. I was an urban studies. Major in college. I love New York. I love titties. I love growing up in Ohio. Right. He's a big football ambig- basketball fan. I never played. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. And so love sports. But you know, I went to Columbia. It's not like her, you know, athletic programs like the having the SEC no offense to Columbia. But but I was not ever thinking that I was going to have a career in sports at that point. I liked to politics. I liked urban studies urban development, and it's my second job. I got and I. By second job. I took because I wanted to go to business school, right? And I was an urban studies liberal arts undergrad, I was like there's no way I'm getting into business school unless I can show some some background and interest in finance. So so God John finance with with a Columbia Lum. Who said I'm an investment banker for New York City. So I didn't really know what the investment banker apartment, but I knew what New York City man, I thought that was interesting there's gonna stop either by I have this hole in my heart because I'm one of six kids all my siblings went to the Ivy leagues. Except for me. The reason is I wanted to play football. I had one college that would let me play right? Can see why? But anyway, you know, we talked about one Columbia loneliness. You don't wanna vantage is because there's a big sway. Entrepreneurship. Should I go to college? Even college is expensive. I wanna get in business, but relationship capital is really important. And I think the experience of going to college beyond the education is just as important as the education itself, and I find so many very successful people that have learned personal skills and have asked for help from that community, which they're involved with whether it's Colombia or not you go to state and even get a bigger community Columbia, right? Just as Sean scenes can easily help you. Yes. As much as your friend. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, relationships matter for help. Yeah. Absolutely. And ask for help it asks for connection anything. It's always like what's going to open that front door. Right. And when someone feels like just like we connected over Akron, Youngstown, Ohio. What's that first connection and people who shared that colleagues? No matter where you go, right? That's an important connection point. Always don't always. Remember that right lesson people by emotion for logical reasons. So I always telling you find out something you like or don't like and then move on from there and people will people want to help people. Yeah. So you go get your finance and public finance. And so and just by chance I wasn't analyst analyst and investment Bank in nineteen Ninety-four works one hundred hours a week, and spreadsheets and PowerPoint and and doesn't do much else. And yet I got lucky that when I started the analyst for a guy who had just finished an institutional investor dealer of the year on a project financing for the Portland trailblazers need an analyst, and I was sort of the next guy up, and I became his analyst, and he was chasing sports deals around the country. And I was like, oh, this is pretty cool develop some relationships got to know exactly sort of how these buildings got financed fit really into my wheelhouse of my interest of I think arenas and stadiums. Are really critical piece of what makes it he's work. And I was like this is so wrong. My business school essays about that about the intersection of sports in real estate and politics, and and then for my internship between my first and second year business school through relationship. Hold up a guy who I'd worked with. And and he was just leaving the Toronto. Raptors to join the Miami, Heat, and he said come on down, and that guy's been a mentor and a friend of mine for twenty five years. You know, it's interesting pick up on one for as you said, you got lucky, but before you said, you got lucky you worked really hard in high school to get into Columbia. You were really hardly Columbia. You worked one hundred hours a week and the nail which another lesson for entrepreneurs. You know, I'd friends who graduated law school did very well in law review in this at all making one hundred and fifty thousand dollars right now law school and the trick you make seventy five thousand now, what are you talking about you work, two jobs? Right. Doesn't entrepreneur. I look at the exact that'd go, you're working two jobs. One hundred hours a week is two and a half. I hope he made to believability. But anyway, I think it's important because Mike Tannenbaum one of our friends and GM of the jets and executive with Ross and the dolphins. He always said, I got lucky, but most people don't know 'cause I went to law school with him that he worked for six hundred dollars a month. Right has to Jewish parents in one hundred thousand dollars law loans. That's not an easy thing. Exactly sacrifice. Zoli I want people to know as onto preneurs you'll these stories about getting into sports and working and me, I had a ser ser q. One of those non St. ten gentle career where I met Lee Steinberg after being the seal of the world's first Martin phone, a VC in working very very hard, but concentrated, and I always got so lucky 'cause I met Lee Steinberg Jeff Moore left and all of a sudden I was ceelo and then CEO the world's most notable sports agency. But that's not fair to entrepreneurs. Right. Because I created that yet. I was prepared. And he said this guy is a winner. Yeah. He felt like I was helping him just as sure your other. So we'll sales guy that we worked with at the jets always said you make your own luck. I think that like right luck is certainly a part of it. But the hard work the make part of it is just as important. And so. Yeah lucky but you gotta make your luck. Sometimes now Higgins, you guys are close friends. Matt Higgins has an executive with Ross's? Well done extremely well. But I remember Noor because you you have my dream education career, I two siblings, go to Columbia Harvard, and for me, it was I'd like to go play football. Mbia? They were in twelve guys probably. I would have played that thing. Like, I knew I love playing. I did want to sit on a bench somewhere. But then you got your being. That would have been my Pap, Matt Higgins has Judi. Absolutely. I think he's acceptable. Almost anyone. I know in the businesses sport absolutely incredible. And yet you someone that went to the Ivy leagues you don't look down on that. Or no one ever thinks about their impressed by I think that it's I don't know. What point I just had my twentieth? College reunion, and like I had a great time college. It was not because it was called me because of my friends because experience because New York, but I don't know what point it happens. But it takes awhile ten years or more to say like like, no one ever asked where you went to college anymore. Right, right. I think also like not to be me. I'll have Jewish parents. But my parents were both educators education was really important and that for them. The father always said the greatest gift that I could ever give education. Right. And that's he gave me great one at. So how they motivate you to be such a great student. Guilt. I mean, it was a real expectation. I don't know. It was like there was a very sort of narrow path that my brother, and I talk about like certainly through high school that you know, we were middle middle class kids in in Youngstown, Ohio that there was some understanding an interest of how to get out and education was the path out nicer that'd be parents left. There are New York rates that they actually retired and and have a little apartment in New York, so dot and I both agree. Ohio is a great place to be from. We love it. Okay. So we're not limiting our point of entry. You know here. You are public finance degree MBA from Stanford met this guy from Portland trailblazers. How do we end up being such an executive seal of the Atlanta Hawks so twenty years ago when when I got into sports and graduate and business school? I went to Miami. And and I took, you know, not the super high paying sort of corporate job or consulting job. Or that point you know, jumping into the tech world in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight in Palo Alto. And I don't think people looked at me scans because entrepreneurship at Stanford was super super critical to everything they talked about and highly rewarded and how they regarded by all your classmates, and so people like folks that went off and did their own thing. And but no one was there were no sports programs. I mean, I guess maybe you'll how you had one mass me. But there weren't sports clubs everywhere. Wasn't Sloan there. One of these business school kids who got into sports. It wasn't even sports law program. Exactly. Right. He was like literally the sports club or right certificate. You could. Right. And so in a weird way like because there wasn't that you have to do this and do that. There wasn't a path that I had to go down, and I had to get into sports through the sales side of things. I probably I probably would not. I've ever gotten into sports, but it was through the real estate side. It was through the project side, and then I learned on the job. And I had a great mentor who I remember one of the very first meetings. We sat down with the architects, and we rolled out the plans, and everyone was talking about when people walk year, they go there. And the next thing we're going to use this, and we have to have a bathroom there. And I was like how do you know, what people are going to do to building? And yet like you start to understand it that way you start to read plans and understand that. And I think from sort of just the way my mind thinks and loving the built environment. I think I really connected to that. And learn a lot about that. And then use that as my entry point my sort of expertise or skill said to to build a career, and I think what had happened, you know, for a long time sports was really just a ticketing business. Right. Then it became a media business. Right. And then became a real estate business. I think it's even becoming more of a real estate business today than it was twenty years ago has Christ sort of just absolutely I. Again, got lucky right? But like my interest and the opportunity aligned, right? I like this real estate thing. And that was the need that was the fear. That was the thing that sports owners knew they had to look outside of sports to say, how do I do this? Right. And I sort of was was right at that intersection. It's interesting you say that because I've pivoted my career several ways I got into internet then middleware yet, then hardware with Samsung's for cellphone CEO, then into the BC side. But what I've learned about sports is I pivoted from sports agent, which was really much pretty much lawyer who can people right right to understanding content, and we actually are similar places in our career because you're actually building the structure that houses beautiful state farm, and especially Atlanta hasn't seen the two stadiums here. Incredible SunTrust is done up in Marietta. I feel like that Atlanta the venues from three years ago today Atlanta's a must see city for venues. Yeah, it's funny because I. I know so many about a million people are in here. But they're like, I don't see any more southern. Go to Augusta infield. Like, it's the Metropol biggest airport, it's credible. But I see the stage theory, which is really interesting when you started describing the assumptions made when building the stadium house monetize where the flow people will we're pivoted in my career as I saw that. I'm a speaker, and I used to travel all around the world just for thousand people I would be excited and then arena with a thousand people who pay me to be really cool. But when I started realizing it wasn't any more about how many people were in the arena. It was this was staged for the world now. And when you're building your Rina's, not only do you have to build for who's going to attended park and go to the bathroom and buy food. And yet, we're the trash goes. And all the things that people don't think about be you actually have to think about something else. How am I going to distribute this to maybe a billion people and? How you you? Don't you were trained in technology, but technology is a huge facet of what you're doing. Now. Absolutely. How did you take that on the job training and learn that that's out of the business because it's critical to what you do. Absolutely. You know, I think it's changed also over the course of time. I mean, I think one of the pollution in my thinking about sort of what these buildings are is. Yes, it is a stage. But that and how you promote and produce and how people consume that content around the world is super important. But but I think from where we make our money, right? That we make our money in a very these are big brands, right, but small businesses and local businesses, and we make our money in a local market and the way we make our money is to get people out of their homes and through our doors and into the venue. And that might think I think is as the world has changed, and we live in a much more experience economy. How technology is driving so much of our lives that the live experience the live experience is so valuable that that's what brings people together. I remember going to see the Cowboys stadium, which is amazing I opened and Mr. Jones took us around, and we looked it up. But that scoreboard if we were like, this is amazing. He's like out of make it a bigger scoreboard because people could just watch TV at home. And and I agree with most of which area says, I think he's a genius. But that. The thing that struck me as maybe the wrong approach. I agree. I like to the national championship game. You know, which one guys when I was bummed because I had these great seats, and I ended up watching TV, right? I love the emotions around me that love to win. Exactly. I agree with you. And so what what what struck me was that know, the difference is you can't invite eighty thousand people in your house to watch TV with you. Right. This is that social experience of bringing everyone together. And so we thought a lot about is what what's the experience economy today. And how do we bring that into the building? And so we did a bunch of things that it's not that they were the first time done in sports, but they were just a different approach. Right. So coming from football the lot of football stadiums have figured out. How do we create the great experience for fans to get them on the field right MetLife stadium. Atlanta, Dallas they all have these floor clubs that people come out. They put the turf under your feet, and you go back into a club. But you literally are standing right behind the bench. It's a horrible place to watch the game because the men. Are six foot ten right? And so you can't see anything. And yet people love it because they are part of the action. We took that concept, and we challenged our architects, and we said what does that look like in arena? How do you do that in an NBA venue? And so we took out a Cup. Maybe maybe about one hundred seats there were right behind the basket that are a little challenge from sight line anyway, because the you have the hoop right there, and we took the hardwood from the court extended it back we built a three dimensional hawk bar that you can stand at and if you have a floor seat, you're now not restricted to just sit in your twenty three inches of your seat. You can get up people walk around, and you can stand at this hawk bar, and you're not gonna have a conversation, and we're literally this far away from the action. So how do you create those experiences that people can share with each other and talk to each other and still see the energy and action the game? That's what we're trying to do. So to me, the technology almost is driving us to how do we create these other social experiences that people can share? Hair? And then how do they populate their digital lives through that? Right. I would be. I shared my seat within candidate the league game. I amplified immediately over there. Right and great business development tool because everybody wants to be seen. Everyone's their best selves on social impact coming from Ohio when LeBron James came to Cleveland, it was one of the worst cities supposedly that people wanted to live in they wanna championship. And I was there with Gilbert where they had the ring ceremony, and they read off the statistics about how many people wanted to live in Cleveland all because that team won. Well, you know, it's an incredible thing. But it's not just you know, when you were in your business about facilitating the team, it's the millions of people that come here to see the other team or concerts here that suitable your venue is being utilized. You know, the teams gone. Yes, there are millions of people that want to be in that the party. I think there's more people. Wanted to be there. Then we're absolutely just great for you. Yes. And it also has a great economic social impact do you when you're looking through and developing this take that into account like how are we gonna affect the hotels? The restaurants in all the other things outside the immediate. Or you just looking at the profit of the team in the arenas. I mean, whether it's the I think there's two pieces of impact rate that go outside of just the bottom line profit for us. There's the overall economic impact to an our role right in the city of Atlanta. Right. And then there's I think an even more critical social impact piece, but you know, you look outside the window and you see all within a fairly tight zone thirty five acre park and Centennial Park, which is the host to the NFL experience the one of the top five convention centers right in the US that's home to the Super Bowl experience and commissioners party tonight. Obviously, you know, state farm arena, which is hosting this F L on-location concert series. Which is I think one of the. Times that they've really leaned into it in that way. Then you have all this open park space between the arena and the stadium for all the NFL tailgating and pre event festivities and Mercedes-Benz across the way, having those three venues and arena a stadium and convention center. All with walking distance to probably ten thousand hotel rooms, that's a great driver for economic impact. Downtown atlanta. We think that's great also on the Marta transit line. And so we there's a reason we say why stay from arena is built on the bones of Philips arena and Philips arena was built on the bones of Omni, the initial arena Atlanta. It's a great location the perfect location for an arena on the social impact piece. You know, Tony wrestler? Our lead owners, I think is very community minded he he he sees the team itself as a community asset. But he also sees it as a community building tool and so over the last five years, we've built twenty five courts community courts throughout the city of Atlanta. We call building bridges through basketball, but we're not just building courts there. We're bringing programming after school activities camps even special programs like doing vision tests and grinding glasses for kids who can't see this the the blackboard at school to be able to improve their lives. And I think I think the teams have a responsibility obligation and an interest in doing that. And that's that's been really really powerful because I've seen it. I sit on the board of the national high school Basketball Association, and you guys are the lead in visiting after school programs. So kids have something these kids that play high school basketball. There's just kids who need something. Julie. That's better things to do for. Sure there. Last question on that being legacy when you build and run these types of teams and organizations and structures. They have a great legacy tied to them. And you're still very young would legacy. You know, you're pursuing something. Well, the magazine a you pursuing in your career now that's a really good question. I like to think that the projects that I've gotten to work on. For a lot of reasons, but have been a part of making the city, a better place, w that's like I've necessarily ever said it that way before, but I do think, that's that's that's what drives me in some ways. And you look at American Airlines Rena the old name, your you. Reno was only six blocks from his current location, and yet maybe the worst location for her to read ever versus right on Biscayne boulevard right on the bay connected into what was just the bay from Arthur place. But now you've got the formula art center, you got the museums. You've got all that development up and down this game boulevard. I'm not gonna say that that wouldn't have happened with how what Micky Arison in the Miami Heat did with American Airlines Rena, but I do think it matters. And I think it matters at a bunch of different levels. It brings people in it brings a really invested owner right to make sure the area around them is important stakeholders are important, right? You know, like from New York you look at Bryant park. Bryant park had a the the new York Public Library, one of the most significant institutions in the city of New York. And yet it was. Horrible through the eighties nineties, you know. Dan, Biedermann created thirty four three partnership partnership. All of a sudden had a stakeholder that wanted to make something great out of it. And it is now it's one of the great urban spaces. I think in America and then so right? And so in yards is right. I was there three years, and that's tactically ambitious project and only guy like Stephen Ross, and Jeff blah, and and Jay cross who was my mentor could pull off or think is even possible, and that's having a huge impact. And I think the way they're knitted into into the high line and into the extension of the seven line and thinking about what makes city is really impactful until we're here, right rebuilding or the state farm arena and working with Tony wrestler and his family on a broader development of the goal to basically fill in thirty acres. That separates the Penn station of Atlanta are monitoring's at hub with the stadium convention center in the arena. I think is a really special opportunity. I hope that Atlanta's better for and I hope to. A little argument. It's great to create that ripple and see the effect. Yeah. Substantial faxing you've done that. And I really appreciate you helping us. Learn these lessons from point of entry into the intensity of what you do to allowing things to happen. And of course, asking for help and having Qi mentorship. I'll forgive you for not helping me get into Stanford. Chilly the seal the Atlanta Hawks here with entrepreneurs the playbook. I hope you enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as being on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making such a success. Don't forget to continue it by sharing subscribing and listening to your favorite episodes is Dave Meltzer with the placement.

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Episode 04: Melissa Proctor

The LifeWork Podcast

33:35 min | 1 year ago

Episode 04: Melissa Proctor

"Sir. Gone for done me. Welcome to the life work podcast. Rethink your work relying your life, the life work. The life work podcast. Andy swan light work dive. Hi, I'm Andy. And you're listening to the life work podcast. Thank you so much for joining us on a happy days, going, well, this episode, I'm joined by incredible. Melissa Proctor, chief marketing officer, the Atlanta Hawks NBA basketball team. This is gonna share her lightweight journey with us and tell us how she went from Bogo to corner office, a great story, and it's free, if you stay focused on your dreams, even though they may not manifest the way you expect it, they'll come around in the end, this is one of the most impressive focused together be ever met Conway to share her story with the cards on the table. I'm a big hawks fan. So this was super exciting for me for various reasons. But that being said, Melissa story is an amazing one whichever team. She was so what do you say, let's crack on her life work story? Ford dot lawn for done me. Thank you so much for taking a tunnel to beats life work. And thank you for me up to your office with an amazing view downtown announcer. Cigarette to be hit. Well, thank you for the ask to come, and be a part of this is it's seem super awesome. Glad about the work you're doing well, we really appreciate it. I told that you have the most amazing story. So you're one of these people who, if we looked you up, you have an amazing career. You're in a high profile role, literally, as we sit in our looking down over sixteen so across the desk community, and you all most nicest as is. This differently is story here. So I don't have prompt you in any direction, it will be really great to hear how you got to go sore. I mean, I'm happy to share it. It's so funny say that because a lot of times people are defined by what they do. And I think drought my entire career and even wherever I go to the future, I always say, you know, I can do anything and if I decided that I wanted to go sell call shells on a beach somewhere when define me any differently in that would be awesome, just as much as position. Which is cool. But, you know, I am originally from Florida born and raised my parents from the Caribbean. My mom's from please. My dad is from Jamaica. And when I was young, I was an artist and I love to paint draw that was like my thing, and I went to night middle school for fine arts. What to high school in heaven major, and graphic design in high school. And at the same time, I had a cousin Sweden who loved watching basketball in the Miami Heat on TV and my parents weren't American. We didn't really watch any sports and so I started getting into basketball with her. And, you know, one day I was talking to my mom, and I wanted to get a job because all my friends score getting their first jobs and stuff. And I felt like having my own money was a big deal. And I asked my mom can get a job. And she said, sure is on get a job in whatever you want to be for the rest of your life. And at the time I had no clue what I really wanted to be. But I said, hey, no clue. How at fifteen years old at aside, and I wanted to be the first female coach in the NBA. A which made no sense because I never played basketball like ever at all anywhere. Like, all right. Cool. We'll get a job with the NBA. And so I think having no fear at that age of rejection or anything like what could go. Wrong started making phone calls and writing letters and drawing on all the envelopes, and on the letters and just saying, hey, you know McKay. I have good grades. I go to the school. We love to work for the heat. And when they the community relations person call today, I have no nothing for you. Sorry. And then he said, try manager and I called him up. And he was like, hey, I don't we have ballboys I have no idea what she would do. Sorry. And I said, hey, I'm happy to learn whatever I can do. So I kept kinda calling and stand in touch. And at one point he said, you know, if you call me one more time, I'm not gonna hire you and I was like, you know, sorry. And then I kept on calling them committee. He called me in four preseason game. I want to say the heat played the magic. It's the first time I ever went to the arena. I had no hookups. I didn't know any players. I didn't know anyone who worked there. I. I've never even been to a professional sporting event before. And, you know, having that opportunity in being able to go there and get my little free outfit. The you know he gear and go and try to rebound for these players. I had no clue what I was doing, but I had a lot of heart and by the end of the night, you know, he said, you know, kid, you really hustled hard out there. And you try to best come back another game. He tried to discourage me, it was like, oh, we're folding towels. And, you know, mopping-up sweat, and handing out, Gatorade you have to be here at four o'clock before the building opens. You don't leave till after midnight when everyone leaves, and it doesn't pay. And I was like, wow, I kept doing it. And so, you know after the first couple games I ended up really gaining the respect of a lot of the players and the assistant coaches and they saw me out there really working harder than a lot of the guys actually and became the first ballgirl for the Miami Heat, which was pretty cool. And then after that, you know, throughout the rest of my high school career really work, they are still creating my artwork some of the player spot. My art and feature them in their homes, we would do gallery exhibitions and things like that, with my art and at cited my senior year, I wanted to go to Wake Forest for undergrad because it was a good school had basketball associated that I've heard a lot about it. And I got an art scholarship says and how. Helps a lot actually. And so every summer, I came back to Miami. And I would volunteer with the heat I hear they had female refs in the NBA got to help with that. They had launched WNBA team for a while to help that. And then my senior year college, it was like Craig now's my chance. Let me get a job in the NBA new are probably one coach because I still didn't have that experience. And so I applied for an internship program at the NBA, and they turn me down. They said that was way too creative after getting, these amazing recommendation, letters guy, plied stay at my college in communications because I figured that was a safe bet to stay in school. They turn me down, and told me that I was using it as a crutch, and that I can do much bigger and better things, and they weren't going allow me to stay there. And so I ended up hearing about an internship here in Atlanta with her broadcasting didn't know anything about Turner than know anything about the networks applied for this, internship, and I made a magazine TV guide all about myself and my brand. And the folks at TNT marketing says, you know, you sold yourself swelter us, we think he would do an amazing job of selling our contents and consumers. And I had never taken a marketing class didn't know what that meant, but very quickly after them by fire in this one year training program learned a ton about marketing at the same time I made no money. So I ended up being ballgirl on the court for the hawks that first year I was in Atlanta baba sweat happened to be the year. The last time the all star game was in Atlanta. So I got to work on the court for those events and stuff as well. Which was totally cool. And unexpected didn't plan any of that complete divide intervention in. So at the end, you know, of my internship, they offered me, a job stay in working content marketing, and I decided, I wanted to pursue different things I've decided to go to grad school in London at central Saint Martins, college of art. Which was the awesome is thing ever. It was a one year. Master's, I learned a ton very interdisciplinary people from all different walks of life and professions all getting together and kind of eating on what they're expected. These dissertation would be focusing on brand strategy because I learned about branding, doing my mentor in my internship program, and I wanted to gain more understanding around at awesome. I got to end the working at Turner's UK office, there Carnaby street was of aging at the same time. And so it was very much this relationship-building like didn't know anyone specifically at Turner. I had some family in London. But, you know, recommendation from someone in Atlanta, toll someone in London, I had a meeting there. Like I have no jobs. I end up interning that's what it was. And so, at the end of my when year my mom was back in Miami. And she was the sable and older single, mom. So I came back to the states to help earn. I want to work at Turner. And so I spent around nother nine ten years at Turner. After that emit different job like felt like every year. Now, people would ask for jobs and no one wanted to raise my hand and take on things and just, you know, meet new people and always trying to grow and challenge myself, and ultimately, I had an opportunity to work in digital health and wellness startup, which was completely new for the company, I had already worked in TBS, TNT and Turner, classic movies and adult swim Cartoon Network. And for our internal media group, I was all over the company. So this last position was in sports, and I decided it was cool opportunity to learn something new new business Turner. We launch something from scratch, and around six months, after we launched the business once the e left and our new CEO came in, and they decided to cut the entire busy at the time was about eight months pregnant with my daughter, and I was out of a job. You know, they said, I had some severance because I've been with the company a long time. And so I said, let me just focus on having my daughter, and all kind of fear. The rest out. And I'm at the same time when my old mentors from Turner ended up coming over to the hawks as CEO in someone that I knew at Turner's how should talk to him. And I'm like, nah, it's okay I worked in basketball, a long time ago and you know, it's like a different life, and that wasn't sure what I would do next, but I loved brand strategy and brand building. And so my daughter was about two months old. I went to the arena just as fans to draft party ran into my mentor and he was the slight. Hey, wanna initiative people. He started taking me around reducing me to all of the leadership team, and they're all like, oh, we can't wait for you to start start. What, what are you talking about? Going heard all about. You just had a little girl congratulations. And so it was like, yeah, you know, we want you to come on board and help us. Help me Bill this brand. And so I came in as a consultant right after that actually in this kind of helped on ranch strategy and launching, our, our new rebrand, and then every year after that my role continues to change, and so it was an on boarding, new ownership, team and helping business strategy. Thirty and then most recently was chief marketing officer to really helped with operations for the organization, and then, you know that shifted quickly into now creative as well. And in game execution, and digital social, and our merchandise and retail operation there's video content and all of it so advertising and promotions to pretty big and robust job. But it's so much fun. And I would have never in a million years, thought that I would be here. You ask me five years ago, if I would be in this position, I would say absolutely not. Feeding? So I this is an amazing story. I'm trying to work. However, going to stop this. If I honesty now where will you be in five years, you would have to be pretty happy about, I feel like I'm always thinking? I mean, twisting now family, there's have plan. I don't think I can breathe is free flowing, but I've always said, you know, I'll go wherever got her universe takes me and early on in my career. I had a mentor that really helped shape kind of the way that I think about career advancement by kind of developing guiding principles for yourself in your life, or it is an during my title, matter of fact when I asked my boss, you know, he's when he asked me to be CMO. He said, you know, why should be when I was like, no, he's because you don't want to be, and that's exactly why you know, a lot of times, people are driven by what they perceive job, to with the title is or money or power ego. And I just wanted to make don't work like that was wanna do stuff and do a great job in supporting a team and working with other people. And so that was the reason for it. And, you know, for me every time that I get an opportunity I kinda pull them up against by guiding principles that out of find for myself. And so, you know, things like having some sort of work life. Harmony where if I have to leave early to take my daughter to swim class. I can do that. If I need to know that I'll get my work done at a different time being able to add more tools personal toolbox. So if I can do something with my clothes, I probably don't need to be doing it. I found one of my strengths what I enjoy being both creative in strategic and having jobs at allow me to check those those boxes important, another one is being able to pay my bills. Maybe save a little. Mom was horrible with money and always had Bill collectors calling. And I knew that that wasn't something that I wanted for myself, and so it's not about ever. Getting rich just kinda pay my bills and cover my life. That's that's great. You know, in the last one was just being able to bring my whole self to work like a pretty chill. Then formal most of the time. Love to wear sneakers and my Jordan's and sweat pants work. If I could. So this finding a place where I can have my locks and my nose rang and it's acceptable. And knowing trying to define shaped me into be something that I'm not and having that be appreciated another because I think that diversity of thought and experiences a really great thing and work environments here, not, including this kind of. Time tonight, this, this whole experiences, isn't somebody that you come nine to five, and then you go, yeah. Since you all your life inside. And also presents were you what? You were pleasantly, Ohio. Yeah. Y'all interest in basketball, you're right? I see kind of eventually building, and you continue to Bill, just by kind of exploring as you go, you know, vaguely whereas, you know the direction you may be. But, you know, show from that Rubio take, I mean, I think, for me, it's like when you stop exploring you're dead, you know, like there's no, there's no end when people like you've arrived, you've made it achieved and to me, I don't know what that means. I mean I'm thankful for the opportunity and, and where I am. But, you know, I don't see this title or this job as the end thirty eight years old. So I have all whole lot more life and work left in me. And so no idea what direction it will take. I'm excited for the journey. So I can see in your story that, that everybody could could kind of approach, what can life in this way? What do you think? It takes time. Tuck. I think I think everyone is different for sure, one of the things that I learned within my career someone had asked me about taking on a job at Turner to create a department. Call them insights and inspiration. And it was all around consumer insights in media trends, and how to help marketers be better at saying what's out in the world outside of their industry, and I loved it. And no one knew what the job was going to be. And so they said, you know, Melissa, you're the perfect person to run this new department because you can take a blank sheet of paper and figure something out. And I thought, yeah, you're right. I can do that. And when I talked about the with other people it scared the hell out of him. It was like, how do you do that? You know, there's no real job description. There's no you know team that that exists somewhere else that you can learn from. And so for me there juxtaposed world in ways that you can connect the dots. And I think my art creative background makes that a strength of mine, where I'm okay, without knowing exactly where it is. And kind of having these filters at, I'll utilize where I think, for many other people, it's I'm going to be a doctor and everything. I will do my life is going to point towards that direction. And ultimately, they become a doctor, and they're happy little thing. There's anything wrong with either way. But I'm kind of a type a free spirit, and I don't know how those things come together but they do. And so for me, I appreciate the way my boss calls playing in the gray. I'm totally cool without knowing all the details, but knowing we can figure something out as we on the fading from you've come to start important to anything's possible, absent fading, the necessary to overcome huge schools. You just ashamed ourselves on that because why should they get in your way on show, even count things? But you will have your pulse to. Just doesn't feel like a struggle this, an adventure that you've got on you'd be determined to make your way to. I am any ternal optimists, and I've definitely had doors shut in my face. And people say negative things or not want me fraternities based on whichever. But, you know, for me, I take every misstep as a learning instead of a failure and I love that for myself is even this, this job day today. I don't have all the answers. I'm in this position. And it's great. And we're trying new things all the time. And I will be the first to say, like, hey, we will mess up if we mess up we're doing something. So we're not out of fear just kind of sitting back but at the same time in anything that we do, we were until I've always kind of looking for that lesson in sing, okay? How do I take that? And then become better in the future because of it as opposed to have. No, we're going to do anything and just kind of sit back con- step up today evolve as you got off and saying if we confront to the story you're going to be just the first. From country, but actually the, the position, you're in within the NBA still feel that you love the journey together that and they excited you get from your job today. Do you feel the love would say that's outreach? This new point trying. I think there are some people who may feel that way. Or like all I could never do what you do or they take the opposite way. Tell me exactly what you did. So I can do to and that's not necessarily feasible everyone's path is different. You know, the peace to people. Into come and take his ration- from, from people saying there's no because I'm never make it say, uneasy copay exactly what you did. Exactly. I mean for, for the you'll never make it once. I mean my whole things my mom would always say nothing to trial. But failure whether that even makes sense or not the way that I interpreted that was, you know, as long as you try, you, you would never know until you try at the end of the day. And so I think a lot of times even being the bulb for the heels like what, what do I have to lose? So at least let me try these CMO for a team. You think you can do it. I'm scared Schiller's my job. I had no clue but I was like, you know what I'm gonna learn something. And I'm gonna do my best in it and give it my all everyday. And now here I am a couple of years in and I'm still here, I used to do a decent job, but just continuing to try and for the folks who are like, you know, this is the way that it has to go. I'll be the first to say I didn't plan on getting laid off, you know, I was company for really long time I didn't plan on having this. You can it's not your plan in my mind it was all written before any of us ever got here. However, I think it's important to follow your passion, which is different. Talk a lot. When I when I am speaking to people about networking, and all I need to meet this particular person. And I'm like, you know you can network as you wanna learn about people in what they do. But people who are strategic like IB to know you, and make you my best friend. I'm like that's weird to me like either you buy or you don't buy a jerk. Don't force it, you know. And if someone doesn't pay attention to you, like it's okay at a lot of other things to do out there to being a little bit more flexible in terms of what you're doing. I mean, obviously that works for me in my mind said, but a lot of it is, if you are so hell bent on doing this. One thing there could be -tunities that may ultimately get you there. And it's kind of laddis career journey versus the ladder remaining to go from this position on the left to the decision on the right to ultimately go up as opposed to thinking. You're only looking up in anything that is lateral isn't positive. I've taken so many lateral moves just because I would learn something new, and that was great for me that ultimately landed here. Destinations about the journey, journey decimation curve. Hundred percent and some way and obviously their hardships and setbacks, it's not that anything's without issue or work. You know, I mean like I've had to endure head to take care of my mother for a long time to single mom, and she had a stroke. And so I was at work for a I haven't a care for her. You know, been married, I've been divorced. There's a lot personal challenges and things that you have to try to balance. But, you know, at the end of the day, just wanna be happy. It's about for me. I think I really from the stone when you started speaking. The idea of kind of deferred the first told me about your, your same gone to pay. If you wanna do that star. Star. And then from there, you've told him about mentorships, these people who've been your mental and then kind of guided you great important as being ready to you hundred percent. I mean, no, no no person. It's an island and you can't do anything on your own. And so, I really think that when you put things out in the universe, the universal conspire to help you get there. And I really believe that. And so, you know, for me it's been able to look at others reaching even peers as mentors as sales sounding boards for certain things, but also giving back to others like I'm a huge proponent of mentoring. Other people are taking the time to speak kind of let other people know how or what I did, or give them input on direction if its value to them or not. Also learn more doing that than anything else. And you know, it's amazing when people that I've spoken to were like, hey, I started this business because of the thing that she said, I got this job, or, you know, thank you so much. I heard you speak. And you said this, that warms, my heart, you know, just knowing is difficult or challenging, sometimes his role can be being able to speak or have, you know, winning award and have people seamy and say, you know, I never thought that I could be in that position. But because I see you in you're doing it. Now that gives me hope. That's awesome. Thank you. Thickness from others as well. And something yeah, you mentioned view. If you don't ask you get you find your unfunded with a of people, I speak to people seem as does she nobody. If you try not to whole, sometimes you. There's if you wanna find mentorship because if you wanna find some guidance just ask people for help, if you woke everything's fine doing, nobody's gonna offer help. If you go Osprey and say, you know what I need to write people around me to help me do we have the but we can find the on together? That that is. So big part of my life. I think my mom was like one of those people who would ask for anything like we would go to that. I don't know. KFC. She's like I just want one piece of chicken to try that. They would be like, oh, you're so sweet lady here. Sure taking and I saw that growing up to go to the flea market and try to haggle for the cheapest price like she had no fear and asking anybody for anything. And I didn't realize that I had that until older people Melissa. You do that all the time. I was like, really? But I think one of the best examples of that is when I was an intern Turner when I first started my career at a sided, I wanted to go to London, I had applied and I got accepted, but I wasn't getting any scholarship money at that point. And so I needed about thirty thousand dollars to be able to go to grad school. I remember talking to one of my co workers, and you know, telling her about it, she's like, why don't you just ask for it, it everything my mom ever did came back. I'll say you could try. And so I wrote a proposal and I was willing to sell all the artwork that I had say, hey, don't take my art, and thirty thousand dollars to go to program. And so I had one proposal that said, I'll sell my art one that just ask for the money. And when the all star game was in Atlanta, I would shop around the players that I knew executives friends family anybody. And so I've gotten a couple of people like, hey, here's fifty bucks. Here's one hundred thirty thousand but, you know, I was thankful it and then one day months after at the proposals out I got a call from a player that I had once worked with in the past and. You know, said my wife and I read her proposal, and we we'd love it, and we love to help you because you've done so many great things. And I couldn't believe it, and I was like, okay, we'll great. You know what artwork, do you on any of your art know? Okay. When do I need a pay you back? He was I want you to pay it forward. And that was the ask, and so, you know, sent me a check for thirty thousand dollars and said, hey, have a great time in grad school, and that was amazing. But it was just the testimony of like you never know until you ask, and the idea of asking for thirty thousand dollars. Go to grasp what was crazy in my mind in my on this kind of crazy. But I was like I'll try you know on equally guaranteed. You will pay not forward. Yeah. Every day. Grades every day. And even now, you know, when I see them in our family. They're like, oh, wow. You know, look at you like they're so proud of the able to help be a part of my journey and that way. And I'm always trying to see what I can do to help help others in the same way. Are there not really inspiring race firing? Soul and such actually far weights to bring a story kind of console circus before we kind of kind of stillness very interested to know you what, what he what you're now. Well, what kind of what projects a sparring Suchy? You know, right now, other than, you know, the Atlanta Hawks were undergoing a huge transformation of Philips arena, which is major undertaking. Awesome. It's a pretty big project. Probably one of the biggest products have worked on in my career, and as an organization and a team. You know, they've done an amazing job of, you know, really trying to figure out how do we tell that story? How do we get the city excited, we have a huge event next week where we're going to be unveiling a lot of news. Right at this point is worth noting conducted this interview with Minnesota WADA, and it's taken me, a criminally long time to get out that the redevelop state farm arena, it's now open and it's hugely impressive are being took game that. And if you ever get the chance fully recommend you is great. So that's exciting for me. You know, getting to Tober when we have our opening day of this new building. That's a huge milestone in my career, you know, and a in a thing that I've worked on and no one can ever take away from me. Like, I don't know people can say, like I work for festival sports team and help open up a whole transformed arena, which is pretty exciting at the same time I have a four year old daughter Marley. And she is so funny, I feel like she's gonna be a stand up comedian fresh actress, but it's. Citing for me like every day to see her growth and development and to help her figure out what she wants to be not tell her where she wants to go. But kind of provide the guardrail to usher, her along the way every time there's an interaction or I see her do something. She had a dance recital. The other day like this is crazy. You know, just kind of full circle, like circle of life on a moments of. But for me that's that's exciting. Life is exciting and not knowing what's coming up, but just really living everyday to the fullest, I love all things Caribbean carnival related. So planning to go to Trinidad in twenty twenty my forty than although that super far away. I'm excited about it like it's tomorrow. So you looking forward to a lot of things then personally, I start into blog a bit. I'd like to write a book. You know, talking to a lot of no local entrepreneurs and people who are doing amazing things just to keep myself, you know, fresh and knowledgeable of what's happening on the scene because a lot of that work can help what's going on. Here but just for myself in my life. Fantastic. Fantastic story. Thank you so much for fishery with us in good up, and everything that you need. It. Well, I will try my best, I seventy thank you. Thanks for the time. For me. It was really great to me minister, we're both the same age and it gave me some real food for thought and some perspective on my personal life journey speaking of which, as you know, while we have people with us, we awesome to share advice for anybody looking to create their own life work team. Always stay true to who you are because as you go to follow dream, sometimes they're gonna have people who wanna put you in a particular bucket or say that you have to be this, you have to be that you have to look, a certain way to certain away and I don't believe in that at all, you know, when I first started working, I had that experience in remember going to one of my mentors sitting, I don't fit in with these people. I feel like I need to assimilate in order to fit in this environment and he was like, do not ever do that you are here because of your experience, what you bring to the table you're back on your everything. And as soon as you decide to change that we lose all that richness until I thought that was really, really great advice for me early on to don't get discouraged because I think a lot of things get overwhelming. I know I mean obviously I feel it every day. Myself of. But just the idea that when you continue to push through, and something's, we'll be challenging even feels like a failure. There's still an opportunity to learn from that and develop in figure out, whatever the next iteration of that becomes that whole process, you know, rough rapid and right, try, and if it doesn't work out. Try it again or trisomy L should try to another way. And I'd probably say the last thing is, you know, similar or along those lines like you know every closed door is not a bad thing, and then sometimes those doors close for a reason. And so, I think early on in my career. I really looked at, you know, the NBA not wanting me as like, oh my God. I'll never work in the NBA ever. And obviously now full circle however many years later, this wasn't the right door that I was supposed to walk in at that time, you know, now I work in the NBA a very different way. But you know, not being discouraged when things don't go the way you want them to because sometimes it's just not how there's some posted on. And it's always easier after the fag never in the moment because it seems like oh man, I've done everything and this didn't happen. Didn't pan out. But probably didn't pan out for reason. Gone for me. Oh man. So much that you had a pen and paper handy. From one great log story to another next week speaks Bruce days. Lee, Twitter's European supremo bestselling author. I'm my personal podcast idle, so stay tuned for insights like this. So that and saying, would you like book, Twitter and actually look at the time. Who wouldn't wanna make the Twitter interviews with the? Who wouldn't wanna make the Twitter? Yeah. Absolutely. It'll come in chat. Until then it just needs to meet to ask you, if you like the kospi subscribed review until three other people to do the same on this week. You might wanna listen right to the end of the credits bonus content. So just leaves for me to say, thanks so much for this into the life. What cost his Melissa's perfect play, you, man. Great day for me. Being able to wake up and use. Oh my limbs and be thankful. I can breathe and walk and, you know, live at the bare minimum being able to spend time with my family and friends is really important to me. I love to travel so a great day. We'll be exploring a place that I've never been to before and getting to dance and have some awesome drinks and food, because out he truly as well. That's great. And any day, I can see the ocean and sunshine. That's like nirvana in my mind. You've been listening to the puck. Cast, thank you for listening to the library podcast. With Andy tune in next time to life work that me for the next episode. Meanwhile, be sure to follow the life for podcast on social media on behalf of anti swan and the entire work crew. We'll see you on the next show. Listening to the podcast. The Mike and the show was that was that one specific, you can think back to that set me. I feel like I've had a couple of them their product trajectory points, where things kind of took different directions. But I mean, I probably have to say my mom telling me that I had to get a job in whatever I wanted to do for my life, because at fifteen that's not something you normally hear it's like let's go to public. So maybe you can bag groceries or go work at the mall or you know ever. But because she was so decisive in the you're just not going to get a job. And then you tell me what you want. And then you go do it I didn't feel like there was any fear, because she didn't make it sound like, oh, you're crazy. Like, what are you talking about? And she was like, okay, cool. That's going to go ahead and do it. That idea, I think is really shaped me and probably a way that I approached a lot of the jobs that I've had are just things that I've done because I was probably very fearful. And didn't even know that I was fearful at the time, but I really think that is one of the things that at least opened up my mind to what the world was. I got to meet the, the heat team owners family because the daughter ended up being a bulb with. Me because she she's her brother every game never dispose. And I came up she was like, oh, man, I can do it too. So she and I worked on the court and we became friends, and I got to go to their house and see a completely different way of life than I was saying where I was and knowing that there's no difference between us, you know, I'm capable of doing anything. And I really think that, that one opportunity to really opened up by till celebrity Jimmy Buffett would sit behind me every game. And I had no idea who he was, and he would talk and crack jokes and Wester loan and then over time like it seeing those people in those things it didn't faze me wasn't a about being starstruck. It was like, hey, we're all here to work. Everyone has a job. That's what they do. Their job is what I do is my job.

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Luka vs. Trae, Kyrie vs. Chemistry, and Canelo vs. Kovalev With Chris Mannix, Plus Head of Instagram Adam Mosseri | The Bill Simmons Podcast

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Luka vs. Trae, Kyrie vs. Chemistry, and Canelo vs. Kovalev With Chris Mannix, Plus Head of Instagram Adam Mosseri | The Bill Simmons Podcast

"Games with Kyrie now they're facing challenges Quotable co-founder Gretchen Hebrew face their own challenge you need to hire a game artist went ziprecruiter posted a job found the right person less than two today's episode of the Bill Simmons podcast on the Ringer podcast network brought to you by Ziprecruiter sports teams face many challenges just look at the nets right now they've lasted three Kevin Durant could defend Andrea Sala could defend and they're plugging in you know rookies and and Diangelo Russel and and so so that's a that's a real concern for the B. S. Ziprecruiter is the smartest way to hire meanwhile it's my favorite time of the year football season full swing worlds it's all coming up this is a very good podcast I are friends for Pearl Jam I don't know how many but they're gonNA miss some games this year and I was just having this text exchange with a player that that went up against them already this year and he said you know pretty simply back bad teams not making it I don't know if I had any idea where they would land in that mix you know the the thing I didn't quite take into account that we've seen earlier to programming notes before we get to the pod today the Rewatch ables is back late late Wednesday night heading into Halloween with the shining we recorded on Friday sized about is that the warriors have not looked like the team that has been you know the dominant team in the last six years I'm not sure why people were surprised that they look bad that's something I've been working on that I am excited about so be ready for that as well and we'll talk about that more on Thursdays podcast coming up we have the playoffs and the more I think about it I think that's realistic. I mean that the playoffs to get in the West I mean what do you think forty eight wins fifty wins maybe it's a pretty good conference the phone just say hey google to get started hey google told my son not to act like an insane person tomorrow I guess I'm in charge my son Okay I added Halloween Candy thank you a little help hands-free the Google assistant is ready to help you get more done with your voice in the car at home and everywhere and it's almost two hours long and it's crazy as is the movie so keep an eye out for that also announcing something on Thursday maybe even late Wednesday night apart because of all the guys you mentioned clay was their best perimeter defender Durant could guard five positions and dollar is historically one of the Best Defense Chris Mannix talking basketball and then Cannella Cova which I think is going to be a really good fight and then and then the head Instagram Adamo series all right Chris Mannix is on the line from sports illustrated and from the zone those first Games what were your expectations heading into the season for them I mean I I thought they'd be a team in the playoff mix that defense isn't GonNa get better with the talent they have in their roster throw in the fact that we know staff and Draymond they're gonNa Miss Games this year steams don't give up on forty one so I think in a weird way getting their asses kicked those first two games reset the expectations but also may be lit a fire a little bit under on is that the defense is terrible I mean they've been giving up at least what one hundred twenty game yet in their first three games while to watch them and be that bad but then you can think about a bill it's like all right we'll look at the guys they lost I mean Klay Thompson is you know elite shooter but he's also their best defensive wing from last year and then at Dallas at Utah on a Wednesday Friday and that when you when you're not good defensively anyway in you're relying on two guys pretty heavily which is what they're doing now that's when you get start getting into real trouble with the schedule where you have like the last two of a foreign six year at Dallas and then at Utah's Draymond the last couple of years that I don't think he can get back to being defensive player of the year draymond anymore and and the guys that the rookies they have out there russell like these we'll get any shot they want but what just watching the first week I try not to overreact but I do look at who looks like they're a level higher than they were last year oh it's GonNa be fun like I'm looking at their schedule mid November they have four games in six days at New Orleans at Memphis anyone is a crazy amount of points for a fourth quarter NBA game that means you're basically four straight thirty five point quarters it's really hard to do that like even the worst there's of all time he's a little older now but just taking those three guys off at replacing them with the guys they replaced them with I to me they seem like a threat to give up like Devon Booker next seventy point game like that kind of stuff and you think what was it the second game of the year somebody job one forty one on them Oklahoma City yeah one is accused of being a hater of the words which I don't I've been very complimentary over the years the words but I just didn't understand why people didn't see the defense away WanNa do out mentioned that as well I appreciate this I I this first. NBA Week is in the books. I think people are the most super talking to become plus defenders overnight I I don't think they're gonNA get cooked for a buck forty in the way they did against New Orleans or even with the Pelicans one twenty three in losing the fire Kennett light under them I mean it's not like they're not scoring I mean every time out there they're putting up good number of points it's just they're not parts of two of their games this week I'm with you I think they're I think they're going to have like this Kinda Modern Day Stockton Malone thing going on where the a crazy shots he wasn't making last year so maybe that kind of levels off but he he's another guy that is GonNa put up like twenty eight to thirty points every night almost effortlessly hoping anybody in and yeah you can you can light as much a fires you want around Steph he's not going to morph into a great defender I think we've seen a progressive regression those two guys just they're going to be something to watch the next ten years it's funny the Atlanta fans are getting a little frisky 'cause I was very critical of the Luca trade and I feel like he can go by anybody whenever he wants and the Porzingas thing is really fun to watch I like watching the little high screens with stuff and how he drives to the basket brutal way to end that but a team like Dallas porzingas in and Donncha together and I want to talk about them now you know I just think that off which has a big fight this weekend Canal Fighting Cobra level and talk about that a little bit one talk a little basketball I I thought you're you're trying to pieces we're really good a few weeks ago it's kind of sustainable don-shik playing like this all season long and you know trays making like thirty footers he's making his one coach told me last night like the here is still gone basketball season just started of course Halloween my favorite day of the year Hey Google at Halloween candy my shopping list rivalry is going to be one of the great reiver's this generation because both these guys are like playing out of their minds early on in ways that you kind of look at you like that I think that there there are serious Canada follow the playoff mix I tried to make this case when Russillo and house and I did the over under pods before the season get and then Porzingis is doing these late cuts down the middle and he's finding them and I think they have a chance to be really special together have you been able to watch it yeah I watched that makes sense and I can't figure it out because not since Dominique has they had a guy that just seems to fit with the city they've had they've had a lot of weird stars golden state I mean I I think that's going to get a little bit better but the days of them being like top half of the League defense I think are over I don't know how they can scheme their way back into being a good defense right like they had Matombo you know Joe Johnson and you just guys that weren't fun and didn't feel Atlanta and now he he brings Luca and for me in the moment if I have a chance to get somebody who might be an MVP someday I'm just always picking that guy I don't care what somebody's offering me and which has really really jumped out to me this first week where it's just this guy has hit every checkpoint I wanted to I think what's cool about this situation is that trae young is also really really good you know and I do think luke is going to come back to haunt Atlanta a little bit yeah I think we have a chance maybe to look at this down the road is like one of these trades were both sides just feels really good about what they got 'cause there's something about trae young in Atlanta into the basket or your pop and behind the three point line don-shik is just kind of do a lot of crazy acrobatic things that they're just going to be dangerous and I don't they worked out together over the summer to Kinda get down the road in a way like Oh man we traded the rights to this guy and he's now a two time MVP but what they ended up with was pretty great so it is one the draymond curry combo that may be like. Hey Man we're not going down like this so may- maybe it'll be a good thing but I still don't think they have the talent but but how much when you and I were growing up did not seem conceivable for a championship team you couldn't have a point guard who controlled most of your big shots start to sort of force feed some of this chemistry and you can just see it you can see it early on but but how about like you see don-shik going to the next level the don-shik trae young like an energy to those home games that that I watched the sixers hawks game last night that game was really fun to watch you know and and I just think that team has an energy oh yeah I mean you have to do you have to do with golden state and the other part of of trays that he's an other worldly passer like he is he is a ridiculous playmaker that's a good idea for a Atlanta Hawks blog a pathway to being average the Atlanta Hawks block the thing with Steph curry at least he was six three you know at Stockton Malone did kind of one thing really well with that pick and roll and I guess the pick and pop to but dodge again porzingas can do like five things really well where you're you're you I think you're right that Donncha could be one of those two time MVP's and his ceiling is higher like don-shik ceiling is the two-time MVP's trae defensive deficiencies and have like Sturdy Ish Klay Thompson type around maybe it doesn't have to be the score the clays has got to be the defender that clay is l.. Am I still feel like Luca's going to be an MVP in the next three to four years I don't think trae young ever be an MVP may I don't know maybe I'm missing something I still would rather on ceiling is like five times scoring champion now I don't know how you you balance those to offer like his one much better than the other maybe you can do that would be the hope that you could build a championship contender around a shooting point guard who has who has the ball and doesn't necessarily need this couldn't be the model that actually won the title the two thousand fifteen words changed that I don't know do you think he could be the number one score on a championship team to them so I am glad it worked out for both teams yeah Al Horford to another like Atlanta e type of guy or it was a star but not not really start down there stephen more with donges because of his size and I guess he can become a better defender and defend multiple positions whereas traffic is always going to be kind of an average two and I mean I was down on him coming into the draft as an elite player and you remember the first Summer League I mean people were just leapfrogging off the trae young trey is just he's six one and he just feels little out there but again it doesn't really matter what matters is they said ceiling is the ceiling kind of like the the best case best case scenario ceiling would be curry I don't think he's going to be as good as Kerry but and when he gets into that kind of mode so that's another part of his game that at you have to account for but you know just like Steph you gotta surround him with the right guys I mean you have to understand his something now you're going I kinda WANNA watch the fourth quarter that one I wanna see what happens and I think Miami is another one I just liked that team I like watching out to try to create this really fun team that Kinda use the gold state motto which we all laughed at I know I made a lot of jokes about it but you you talk about what I think the one thing that they've grabbed this year has been D- sneaky league password for yeah when they're playing seven thirty and it's like they're playing Miami's incomplete off it but can also create further guys and is just you know an incredible score and in can be the best guy this is a model that everything you throw at him it seems like he's capable of taking it on he's already an elite defender he's already great in the open floor like you know steph curry is defender might be his type of ceiling but oh man generous on that one I think defensively he's pretty bad I mean avid trade to make I've enjoyed them is there anybody else on your list that that you've been surprised by how much you've enjoyed watching them Oh them and Butler is missed a couple of games because he had a kid but I think when he's back with the other pieces they added I really like Tyler Harrow I just I off early in that year but really the second half of this last season autumn and he's he's just looked like everything you hoped he could possibly be so yeah I think he can be the number one guy on a title team Toronto Easy I am I don't know if I'm the the the driver of the Pascal Siachen for Mvp Bandwagon I'm I'm I'm draymond type even like a bogut in the middle to backstop everything and to clean up all those mistakes that that you know we're going to be there when when trays out there but I I'm just a I tomato when yeah just not trays like the the closest thing to to dominate that they've had since dominique it's just the way he plays and and and I'm watching him against Boston just flip up five consecutive above the break three pointers and and he's adding that to his game and the guys what twenty four twenty five years old steph early on step was bad too I mean I think there's a ways he gets physically stronger there's a pathway to him being average on that in the flow it's really all you need from at that point I never saw the Siachen thing coming to because watching these first couple games that I watched that Celtic game like you did a reminded me of when and I'm elise delays leading I'm one of the first people in that one I want to be one of the first people in that line I I've watched all their games I was at one of their games against Boston and is the West I think the East is a lot closer to the west this year than than I think I was prepared to accept before the year remember that bid the bigger and for MVP when we did the over under pods this is one of our best arguments because they're over was forty six it seemed too low I think this is a much more surprising jump but I don't think anybody expected the balls to win fifty three games with pippen you know but he just he was able to think he's ready right now I've been I was saying that before the season I thought him as a rookie of the year twenty five to one was not completely insane because I thought he was gonNA play got yeah he can and if if you have those type of credentials and if your team is good I mean we forget how good that team was in the regular season without Kawhi seventeen and five I mean this is just like you hate to make the Kawai comparison with crm but it's like he just has the sort of simple mindset where it's like okay but we also did no are they gonNA blow this up you know are they is this going to be just massage sound everything for parts of January Arana's good I think Miami's good so that's five teams right there we don't know what we're getting from Indiana yet Brooklyn how long can they hang around but they at least have week at X. so I'm gonNA spend my four months off getting a lot better at X. so you know the first year couldn't shoot at all then all of a sudden he's like I'm going to be with a Hawaii in the regular season if they wind up like a three seat in the East which I don't think is insane and Siachen puts up those types of numbers I'm I'm telling you that he's in the conversation the three point shooter just like they did in his early years in San Antonio this past off season it's like are gone so I've got to be kind of an above the break three point shooter making threes now he might start missing the next week but it did remind me that where I ruined right in the moth because well no Choi- well who knows five teams that I think are legit playoff teams and and then when you go to the the the west side with the warriors falling off may maybe the conferences I think if this season progress he's not going to average thirty game which is kind of around right now but could he average twenty five to twenty seven be a top five defensive player of the year it's me of like a more athletic version of chuck as like he's like six six six seven defense well rebounds well uses every inch of his size at all these things to his game it'd be the focal point of what was going on it was like Oh man and he became an MVP candidate and it's early with Siaka and you know he closer than we thought am I crazy well no I don't I don't think it's crazy to think they're closer I I do think that when you get past Milwaukee in Philly is this year and grant Williams in the opener I was in Philly for that and embiid catches him on the switch and drops a shoulder into him and it was like running in wag like there was it was just like you know a running for lifeboats off the Trae Young Bandwagon so he he was kind of behind the eight ball especially as Lucas start to take off it's a pretty big drop and you know I I I think Boston's GonNa be able to score but but man unless Robin Williams develops into Andre Jordan it's all parts and then it's like Oh yeah Siaka might be like a second team Mba guy and they have to be taken seriously and I the more look at the East vs Clippers Utah Houston Lakers Dallas with Minnesota as the they're in the playoffs right now after three games but I don't see that happening and then Portland it was who's going to be the three seed is it going to be Boston is going to be in the Indiana Toronto Miami everybody had like their team that the road I think Boston's good I think teams in the east that can make any impact in in the postseason that's Philadelphia Toronto I'd say that in the West the FO Philadelphia Milwaukee men they the infrastructure it's like the pats you keep you look year after year you're like Oh maybe this year they fall off and then the infrastructure that I think on the on the west side yet again I underrated San Antonio and they're just tough band short disappeared from the Bulls and everybody was going to be terrible and then pippen just went up a level and it was like and we knew pippen was getting me and he was on the Dream Team into a brick wall by grant Williams doesn't move and I saw marcus all do the same thing to him again in Toronto and he didn't move like this guy he remind pretty well I think he's got something there in grant Williams but it's still not enough to have any kind of impact in the postseason and I part of the season he's up making them right now but I think they'll take those misses from three rather than the you know wide variety why can't they get back to to sort of being something like that team with organic improvements from the young guys on the roster it's obvious to me that seems to win out but I think the the at think they go maybe ninety 'cause they're right now it's Denver San Antonio think about Dwight by the timber wolves like this was a team we thought was going to make a run at a mid level playoff spot last year before tips and everything kind of fell apart I mean he might shoot like twenty two percent from three like but he's going to Jack those threes up there is not going to let him go mid range anymore I will say the one thing that really surprised me you're not buying Minnesota yet there's a lot of wiggins right now and I just don't trust them yeah do you trust them no I don't trust man can we even get to a three seed that has forty eight leads but now I think I think Toronto Boston in Miami are GonNa are all going to be it's like twenty five games of what he's doing I trust that you know when Ryan and Gerson kind of got their teeth into this stuff this off season towns loves Ryan Saunders he was the one to go to bat form from day one when the off season ended I mean why can't they it all depends on wiggins I'm with you but I thought there was just going to be a huge disparity even with the records you know where we had potentially eleven teams that might be playoff teams in the west and then in the east this year I don't think they're going to be I mean kanter kind of is what he is I'm a huge grant Williams guy too I watched I watched all their games early said you know you're going to get like an electrical shock if you shoot a mid range jump shots like they're pushing him way out beyond the three point that he's averaging close to six threes a game Kim I thought it was telling after he made that last big shot in the comeback game against Miami which I watched I thought it was telling against whatever this is what he's GonNa do it's like the Jeff Green Kinda motto of the Tantalizing Talent that you're always going to be disappointed by but his teammates really seem I don't know maybe maybe he takes so much shit maybe they notice it maybe they think it's unfair he is still pretty young what does he like twenty when you bought in when Wigan seduced you made a couple of threes I don't think I don't think they'll let the let wiggins they're not going to let wiggins shoot all those like the missing attribute to last year but they're good I mean towns is great obviously I think okay and I keep whenever I the top ten protected I whatever you WanNa do and you put Chris Paul in there and who knows if towns is going to play like he's playing that's at least a team that would be annoyed I think that that what they have and what they're doing is kind of sustainable I can't wait until you come on the podcast again like six to eight weeks and I can make fun of you for this this is another team that has a trade to make because if you were going who is the most logical Chris Paul team this is the most logical Chris putting whether he'd Wanna go there how everybody reacted to it it was the reaction of a group of guys that really genuinely liked and cared about somebody they were playing with and I thought I don't know but they could just easily teague expiring Jorgi Dang and and whatever a conditional weeks not a surprise for five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get quality candidate through the site within the first day you can try ziprecruiter for free it's crude dot com slash the play in the first round of the playoffs you know we do you think Chris Ball stays or goes oh I think he goes you know just just the way Oklahoma City operates the ask for the first week I I feel like he's playing his wells anybody in the league so if if that's going to continue I think we have to raise the ceiling my my point was more I thought that let him walk yes sorry but I think Toronto potentially I think that has to be raised with the way crm's play just from the it and I think Miami is a trade to make two which is the other interesting thing about them but you mentioned Miami always feel betrayed to make contracts four twenty one twenty three twenty four so who knows the the case for them is that we were talking about a trade to make the bill wait until they can get something for him and the bill they won't have like an auction and say we've got to send him out of there because they oh they can't bottom out this year they're too good to completely bought them out Yep Shays really good gallows there as Stephen Adams is fine like they're not I Carson Edwards is fun I think he's the rare rational confidence guy who is already acting like he's been in the League eight years which is interesting I've never really seen elected to online privacy for as low as three thirty three a month with annual subscription Norton Dot com slash VPN Simmons terms do apply had Norton Dot com slash VPN Simmons starting at three thirty three month annual subscription be private in more places online at nor insecure VPN's here public WIFI keeps your browsing activity private to which helps protect from companies who want to track and sell your information right now you can get Norton Secure VPN especially if if clay find his way back this year and who knows if that's going to happen but that's I still think the play for the timber wolves is Russell Clay's not coming back this year I Minnesota I still think Minnesota is is going to sit on the Angela Russell I still think on them like they were just they were left at the altar by this guy like they thought they had him continue to hate it I hated that they traded out of the Bible spot I really wanted them to take five Oh fifteen or twenty but then I really like the grant Williams pick and and not even playing that well and you can make the move can we do can we do some Celtics quick yeah all right let's let's actually take a break then we'll talk celtics a lot of companies make VPN's but the one I want to tell you about is Norton Secure VPN made by Norton a brand backed by one of the world's largest civilian cyber intelligent networks with over Poblano KC for the whole season and I think it was like minus one forty or minus one fifty that he was gonna stay in the team though season I d hoping for and maybe it's Minnesota you know where it's like Oh didn't see these guys as a suitor but now they're thirty and nineteen and t Benesova thing made me realize during the season somebody over achieves in a way that you didn't expect and becomes a candidate and I think that's what okay so he's one thing I liked about the celtics glad you mentioned Greg Williams because I both hated and loved the Celtics draft I the Royal Lankford pick I hated when they did it thirty years of experience features bank rate encryption easy to use no complicated setup log in once protects your connection with your on your home network or use it seems like the new buzzword these days is vpn but what is VPN while it stands for virtual private network technology that encrypt all the information you sent through Wi fi wish there was a way to wager on this but the warriors people and I'm sure you've heard it to have been so adamant behind the scenes that no we're keeping Russell that it makes me like it was they were like printing Angela Russell Juries in Minnesota and and then he turns around and takes the deal with golden state. I don't know I don't know that that Russel is long for Golden State started you could take thirty foot threes greatly says Ben a pretty much as advertised and I think what's fascinating me about this team now I think the fact that tees expiring is almost twenty million dollars gives them a lot of flexibility I think from an okay see standpoint there was actually a bet before the season Wilken nep forward the rookie like he's carrying himself Eddie House Circa two thousand eight icon I mostly like it but at the same time on like all right dude. ABC's the first four games is that in crunch time they're just playing their best five which Iowa's lake so they're playing tatum and Brown together with Hayward with smart with Kemba have enough size that it's not ludicrous and then they're just going all slashing kick it feels much more like Brad Stevens team then for the most part grant Williams can creep in there for some of the fourth quarters but for the most part they're like unless we're going against embiid or Yokich we can go small tatum and Brown yeah I mean I I think that it's definitely more of a Brad Stevens type of team I to backtrack a second I'm with you glass jars team did and I don't think that's an accident so I like the identity they have what do you think just about the the kind of vibe the identity the chemistry all that stuff on Langford I mean Langford remind me the James Young pick like they kept saying like what he can do but he didn't do any of that in college it's like well he can be this guy be that guy good shooter like all right well I didn't exactly see it at a high level in college so we'll see a great comparison with Eddie House in Carson Edwards that's suspicious no we got a new to keep them and it's like okay well we'll see about I don't believe that for we'll see how that goes and and read about Lankford and watch the youtube clips and all of it he just seems like somebody who needs a ball on his hands and I don't see remember that one because that's the they both go into the game and Carson Edwards had to check in early against Philly in the opener and all of a sudden I see this guy that I saw you know put up eight three against Cleveland how that situation never happens on the Celtics team so that's why I really wanted the focus on like role players guys like fiber and people like that I really a preseason game all of a sudden I shot up and then thirty seconds he's yeah he's definitely a confident confidence shooter hold on that the Lakers thing though the the and these other big guys and he's just getting like plowed over and it's fine for right now because everybody's healthy and everybody feels good and all that stuff but can you do that for weird thing about that pick was if you know cameras coming which I think they had a pretty good idea of of gene and yeah from everything I've there's been hurt and so he'll play a role but I just I just think they're going to wear down at some point that front line without some kind of deal I I think the guy they're sitting on really is clean Capella are you more less impressed with the sixers as possible finals team from what you've seen the first month our first week more impressed I think they thought they were taking Tyler Harrow and then he got picked right before them they didn't know what to do is might my working theory I don't know if you agree with that yeah I mean he's he disagree I think he just kind of mixes it up a little bit it's like a TV show where you bring in that per- that that actress who's just you know in the forty s like would you think coexist you know one of which is a non shooter like would you would you believe that watching them last night did to get a little weirder I thought they were almost so predictable and kind of boring to watch and I felt like their players were almost board on your team you know he's phenomenal athlete who makes place and I think they needed I felt this way had in the season I felt like they needed are being held to like eighty-five points I mean I'm I'm watching Josh. Richardson Lockdown Point Guards and small forwards alike you know there offensive menace and the the fact that maybe if you make a deal down the line Marcus smart could be included in it might be good to have type WHO's less balking you know defense so you've got to have Harrison maybe Korkmaz's or a couple of other guys make shots semi regularly but if you're holding teams to like sub forty percent shooting every night as as many provinces Chad with Westbrook and the deification of him over the years and stuff like that guess what when when there's three minutes left it's nice to have he could be kind of your everyday to guard who can score and do a little bit of everything but didn't they needed that I didn't think kemp is probably a big part of it as well but I just guy their bench you know how do they how Brown worked the bench but I mean when they were comfortable with each other defensively there's nights where like good offensive teams I'm watching the Knicks game for example and I'm watching that game and I'm seeing you know Jalen Brown do some great things offense than the other and he's gotTa stick them on Julius randle ultimately there's five guys on the core fridge side and their two guys are freaking you know spectacular I think that's the guy they'd love to take Daniel Thais contract and a couple of other small things and a draft pick and and go get a guy like that night into the mix why would Houston guard can kind of plug into that role so I I I guess Lankford Sorta looks like a guy that that maybe if he goes all the way to what you think he's going to be he's a perfect fit for what they do in in his shooting and I I would I would have gone thighbone as well because if you're the success they've had with Marcus smart as this the Milwaukee fans including a Ben Thompson who big bucks fan who gets mad because he thinks I enjoy the bucks every year but I'm sorry like I are winning in the fourth quarter you don't feel a hundred percent grade about it 'cause offensively they're so disjointed this shoveled digest they just don't look like any other from the Games I've seen I I I do like having both Lopez they seem they seem like they have more depth like they definitely have ten guys who are they're just going to be so good defensively yeah I mean there's going to be once they figure out they got to figure out some rotations and you know is titled Completely South You don't there there I don't know why I'm still bullish and we'll see it goes against ninety things I believe in meanwhile I'm blindly I don't feel great about them what do you think what do you think about them yeah I I agree with you on Philly adding a higher ceiling and and once they get their chemistry stuff together let are you like watching the TV show even though the dumb things I've enjoyed their games and I think they have the highest ceiling of any of these including Milwaukee End sub thirty percent three point shooting you're GonNa win a lot of games or you look like crap offensively to like that's they're just that good on that end of the floor that I I think from a town standpoint it's just not the same they I can't believe how much the bucks were lying Chris Middleton and bledsoe still those are their second and third best player more skeptical would Vanessa Marcel no two on Oh yeah exactly in the wildcard good call now you're talking my language have you all the depot went down this is not his his skill set so you know everybody kind of lost in in a way in that situation except for broadens bank account the I he consistently had like the fourth or fifth worst defender on him every single night he was able to get off because of that and now he's in Indiana and team watching on League pass and yet it works but then defensively it all I spend most of my time watching them offensively just going why don't they do this me out how to cut a play Horford in an MBA together Simmons is out there just a menace amine I'm I understand the whole shooting stuff and are for eighty two games and into the playoffs and can you play that small because now they do go brown and tatum and they sprinkle in Williams and sprinkle in Robert Williams and you know so you know Wesley Matthews before the injury maybe could have been that guy I don't think Kyle Korver is that guy except in spot duty something that that's a glaring weakness for them right now yeah and I think that's a really important point about brogden where you know he just a wildcard and and I think that's going to be a good vibe for the regular season I'm with you though when it gets the playoffs I'm Malate Mora what is in be posted up why don't they run high screen what is it why is there spacing better it's just it's it's a frustrating team in a good way it's like a TV show NBA players this year but I just feel like the ceiling of it feels like they're relying on On Janas to do stuff at the games more than ever and I I fact and I I don't believe in those guys so I'm always going to gravitate toward toward the talent thing and I I do think that Milwaukee Mrs Brogden a little bit retail in basketball where when he's on the court the Defense on the other team they're just thinking about Yoenis and he's the main focus and you can kind of slide into this they'll be able to lock teams down enough to win big games I just like having a weird team they're fucking weird I mean it's one of those teams even when the this guy who's the guy thirty seven thirty eight minutes a game not sure about that do you have any words for jazz fans and people who bet on Utada win the MM cracks and a lot of times they're happier if you have the ball and now he's I was watching them last night they blew they blew a game you gotta you gotta get to the quarter way point okay I mean he's been pl- like even when they made some of the coaching changes in Memphis like he was he's totally miscast in some kind of leading role there and I get why the Pacers went out and got him but he is not the guy to carry your team in the same way that Bohdan Bogdanovic did when Mike Conley coming off that injury from a couple of years ago and he was playing like this I'd be like Holy Shit this is a terrible idea and and Mike stunned but he came back a playing the same style and for so many years who's playing with the same guys I gotta give him a little bit of time to kind of figure out like all right so I've never played him well it's only if things go completely south down there if if this whole Westbrook card thing doesn't work out oh so you're in the camp that them in as a team but I don't know if you take like like take the take the name I mean take the names hard and Westbrook away like if you've got two guys with usage rate Jackie macmullan who is pretty wired in the whole kyrie universe plus the Celtics as you are as I am to some degree and we've all heard the Kyri stories The last years in Boston there's some Cleveland stories obviously now he goes to Brooklyn and I had predicted the honeymoon period which we were in the middle of he looked great there's going off all over the place right now what was your reaction I was surprised it came out this early you know mood swing grandfather passed away changed everything the reaction I got from people within the Celtics was like all right well how does that explain the exact same behavior had that this came out when it did and clearly came out from the net side I'm trying to figure out what the motivations were here it may I have red flags and should detect I think they could start to really put some wins together in the second half I think Brogden to me you know look at your money by all means at Brogden me had I'm late but yeah he's running their offense now now he's going against the best team his stats have been pretty good actually I I wonder more about him physically can he hold up being title about what game can they officially panic about Mike Conley Jr is a game twelve game a couple of games and this is like he'll do this for twenty five games and then stories will start coming out will the story started coming out after the third game and and their sprinklers in there and they became a big deal in the internet today about the mood swings other stuff that we heard about in in Boston we use surprised Oakland like he was the same guy with the same type of mood swings and the same disconnect from the team so I was you know I surprised that it started this early I thought it was going to start like after carsl avert had like four straight games at like seven attempts or Spencer Dinwiddie was like after I don't know if I've ever seen that before it's like minus zero point six Pierre Pretty great are you worried about him are you worried about them right now the perfect role in Phil in Milwaukee like defensively he was asked us to be on that end and offensively he like who gives a damn about the season their their best case scenario for this season is not to go into next summer like looking like the basketball hit back just playing and not worry about him being any kind of leader have his mood swings be secondary because everybody's focused on durant like that that to me because that's that's surprising I thought the honeymoon period with last significant long and I don't know where Jackie got got the information from it does sure sound like it's coming from from the nets but it was a team that had great chemistry their offense was really cool an offense that Katy praised everybody touched it and Lindburg just not not being Boston again and having Kyri looking like a jerk and and nobody WanNa play with them and talking about having to trade not only going against the fourth best defender on the other team but you're also on an offense with the honest where Jaanus becomes like Alvin Kamara or no but I it's on my radar now because I mean he's a terrible which is fine he might be starting out slow whatever we're but I I was really interested to see how the Mitchell Conley thing was going to work out 'cause Mitchell was guy who had the ball out last year and Conley's a guy who's you know last year he played really well didn't look like that foot injury cost him anything or at least in cost him much after last year I just he's too good bill he's too side of things I don't know what their motivation would be to get something like that out there but I said to to Sean marks you know couple of weeks ago when we did a live show and whether you agree or disagree with where he stands on stuff the he's he's GonNa do his thing and he's not going to try to fit into the bigger overall we stand around and it doesn't feel like you know basketball that I think succeeds and I think we need wings is just it's always going to be a part of Kyrie's DNA. I mean that's why when Kyrie said the stuff about last year in Boston and he said you know when when I am too good I think you have to get through twenty twenty five games playing like this before I have any kind of fear about him he has a negative pr no in like one of his worst ruts of his career when you start making like start saying like well levert Dinwiddie there the new tatum and Brown like this yes is kind of what what happened again the fact that we're three or four games into the season and were already talking about something that happened over in China and the the mood swing a lot of interviews everywhere at this point you almost think that like the best case scenario for settling some of this down is the even not even talking about this story for second just watching them those first three games very similar to the Celtics offense last year Kyri is so brilliant Oakland I've said to a bunch of people like you know people say like you know can they be better with Kyler Reed this season subbing for Diangelo Russel is their ceiling a little bit higher this season it's almost like it's almost like when I sit there and read that story and and you know durant out and he's not going to be doing interviews all that often though he does but these are young guys that coming off last season felt like they accomplish something both individually and as a team so I don't think it's going to get markedly better if it's culture like he's he's just beats to his own drum which is fine but when you're the superstar and you're making thirty five million a year whatever he makes and and so good especially in the fourth quarter that it'd be stupid for him not to have the ball newbie stupid not to clear out for him but it just kills your team it just makes everybody for why it would go different for Kyri because Kyri wasn't re entering a situation like it wasn't Boston where they went to a conference finals and Jalen Jason easiest to he's old school point guard he has the ball so I was I was interested in that part and I it I wasn't prepared for Conley to actually look bad so Zimbay they're going to need somebody to step up on that roster of via trade pact haunted and maybe is is that guy but you have to fill that role because that when it changes game to game when he's not talking for a week and then all of a sudden he's giving a long press conference when he's talking I just think when you're a superstar or a major star or your franchise guy whatever part of that responsibilities is going to be brutal and then he comes back and average twenty in the playoffs dinwiddie size career start to take off jared allen so his career take off so maybe they didn't advanced deep in the playoffs broke out at the same time like Tesla Vert had like one of the most catastrophic slash great seasons you've ever seen like where he had that injury that looked like it dinwiddie or or jared Allen just get through this season with everybody kind of lighting each other and then bring durant back and let durant be the Alpha let Komo Tony Allen forever like what's it mean to play like with Donovan Mitchell I guess Rudy's a reasonable facsimile to to mark but but that's different I mean if this was the lack of a better word a little bit amused by this whole nets thing where we're they seem to think like there were red flags at all obviously there were the guys in amazing with you I would wait till twenty games but it's it's now on the radar all right we talked about this Kyrie quotes really quick we'll talk about a canal so I don't see how this works I really don't and the fact that this story came out this early in the little tidbits in there about he's not a team culture guy like after a game and all of a sudden says something really pointed or start some sort of something in years dealing with the day after day I think it's draining I think it really drained the celtics it'd be the result and and already we're starting to see signs that maybe we could be in for some problems there well you know they made such a big deal last year about the nets culture about what the nets were leg last year and how much they cared about sharing the ball all that stuff and then it just now terrible we already have this culture in place and you're not buying into it totally which doesn't seem like he is from the story I don't know how this plays out and then what's durant have durant do like post game interviews every game like just even though he's not playing just have them sit in his locker and talk about his recovery just keep all that that attention can you know off Kyrie in that situation because it's never gonna go well if he's in some kind of leadership role and people you made the point about their record last year and this was the argument it's all the Kyri show all the time out there these guys start seeing their shot numbers go way down you're just not gonna convince me that that everyone's GonNa take that for on this whole thing he's not even playing this year so can you even be a leader when you're not playing I just can't believe this is already going I thought this'll be game forty three it's game four well because they haven't accomplished what the Celtics guys accomplished well and I think the I agree with everything you just said and I think the other thing is when when the no playoff team but there are team that's like you know competing for like the ten spot in the West so I I think they'll wait but I think I'd be surprised if there before February they'll find somebody but and you would think they won seventy games last year they went forty two they lost pretty quickly in the playoffs the romanticizing the nets Dan food is shifting from day to day the best player in the team is going to determine the mood of everything and that's just the way it is that's the way basketball is that's the way it's been for seventy years a handle this stuff and he's done a bad job at handling it and that that was why I think everybody from Boston and everybody watched him last year was for last year you could there were specific points that season last year when things would start up and it just you could feel the effects on the court the next game you know and it's of a game but at the same time ever sustaining around a lot of times it doesn't lead to the result you thought it was going to lead to anyway and there's the drama all the stuff God he's amazing I actually have watched these nets games and have you know in a weird way kind of mess how incredible he is in the last four months which I think is about as long as he's been fighting but he's you know he's a big fucking dude with a lot of power and this comes up is that you know there are people you know players coaches staffers would describe like moments where Kyri was like engaged with them and talking to them I'm really excited I'm probably like eight and a half wow his point get even higher as we go forward I think I I'm more excited about yeah I I think it's fair to to wonder I think when you know when you do and kind of autopsies of Kyrie's season last year one thing the Canelo or Andy Rees junior only on disown with the zone subscription you can watch cannella versus cove on November second that is Saturday continues to ascend in his career at even before what we saw a loft and kind of go through with with Darvin Shaneco in his last fight you knew he was descending I mean he's thirty seven that this fight as a boxing fan observer that I would have been for Cannella go off in a third time I just think Canelo Canoas come so with to think momentarily you also get the res Joshua rematch on December seventh after an unbelievable underdog win which he's walking down a hallway just it just it some of it's tough to explain without a deeper explanation if that makes any sense like yeah you've got you need culminated in a BS podcast appearance by India res now he wants to show everybody that it's not a fluke that he's here to stay that he is the heavyweight champ learn a little bit more if you're going to truly understand some of these behavioral things he had gone on the last the last couple of years let's talk about sport with no throughs download the dead zone APP to start watching let's get back to Chris Cabanillas Fighting Kovolev Kovalev has scared the Shit Outta me since I was in high school natalie is this the best schedule in recent boxing history but the best value to get everything every fight original content all avid on demand for one low price you know and I felt this way a little bit with the Antonio Brown stuff to earlier where he hit the behavior was his behaviors way more radic and and and damaging arrays career one thinks he did that was a great accomplishment was moving up in weight two hundred sixty eight pounds to take on the light heavyweight champion Donald Pound who could whack and that's not something can ever experienced in his life and I remember having a couple of conversations in the last two months with with sugar Ray Leonard and people that mm-hmm and and really seeming like was one to be friendly or friends with them and then like twenty four hours later is just kind of like ignoring them as is old and you don't improve especially if you're a guy that's been as many tough fights as goff can has been and now Cola's been tough fights too but he's one hundred seventy five he's moving up two weight classes for the light heavyweight world title can canal quench yet another title at the new one or seventy five pound weight class Chris Mannix is going to tell us feels to me like a slightly more dangerous fight for canal than maybe were given given a credit for what's your take how excited are you going to ten for this vural issues whatsoever boxing I mentioned we're talking about Cannella second this fall you get a stat line up the biggest fights featuring the biggest stars in boxing way from this I don't even know what our role is story late that she read some of the anecdotes you're like wow is there more going on and is this fair game even you know what I mean Blonde Donnie Ray won that fight but he won that fight by knockout and it was a great performance but ray told me that like the second he wind up being looking great beret also said like the second that fight is over I thought like he's like I think it was the night the fight ended I vacated that light heavyweight title I didn't want anything to do I think you guys should do color shading I think you should be like I give that one a ten nine blue where it's like so everybody you do the scorecard right and you're like I saw that I saw that round ten nine or whatever but you know it's around that easily could have been seen the other boxing is able to be effective in a fight like this what happens that I right hand shakes canola in a fight like I just think put it this way I think they're more pass the first the first job he took from Lalonde he said Oh man this is going to be a long night like he could feel every single punch that Lalanne throughout him now he coppola six feet you've got to get on the inside to win a fight like this you know what happens if Kovalyov can keep mid range a little bit what happens if that jab which is one of the best in right to but then other times there's convincing ten nine round realized that was dazzling Kovolev definitely one that that is a ten nine round for him or at ten eight round nine because I had to pick who won that round but I have no idea and it could be interpreted the other way I vote for codes give that give that to the zone producers if it's a blue that means you're like that fun guy won that round I don't WanNa hear any like there's no other interpretation that was a win for that round or it's a weight where it's like ten and then Kyrie's is but where you're looking at your going wow I didn't we should we should even be talking about this 'cause maybe there's more going on with with him personally and we should be standing one seventy s that's that's different than going from like you know from one thirty four to one forty whatever like this is a whole other animal cova left to win than I thought there were pass for Galactic into win a third fight are you are you announcing this one for designer you on studio with light heavyweight anymore it was tough so I think canal could be in for something he the way he wins is to get on the inside like he's five foot eight and with the type of shots he's never had before I think the odds are what they are because most people you talk to see a pretty clear favorite for this which and Cobras plus three twenty five I gotta say I actually thought Sir seven five depending on how you looked at it but I think the codes would help because I do feel like especially in the really close fights usually there's I'm announcing a part of the Bronx are you doing your scorecard again I am yeah I have an idea for this I was thinking about this during the triple g fight I had triple g losing by a point but I could also see the case for triple g winning by a point and there was I think there was a couple one that would be a little lower I feel like they are disrespecting Kovolev and I one thousand percent agree with you on moving up in weight classes I think I think that is so much hard scorecard to be like do you have any swing rounds they're kind of articulate that there are all either named the rounds or I'll say they were two or three rounds I thought could go either way so we'll take some licks as part of his style like you can hit him and I think that's that's where like he'll he'll dish some yeah I think I think in the U indicating how strongly you felt about around I think is good wrinkle because I was watching that fight with you and I was with you I thought your path to victory for Carmelo I mean cove in the last few years has just been getting tattooed to the body it began in the Andre Ward fight the second one and you can argue certainly that the ward fight there were a couple of low blows at the end of that but he took some body shot that didn't take him all that well his last fight against Anthony Yard fifteen to one eleven cards for that and I was like all right that's stupid there's no way there's no way was one fifteen and one eleven stop but it was either he I thought it was either six six doc I haven't gone often as a tactician is that he doesn't go to the body all that much he has some great knockouts to the body but doesn't like make most people see him winning that way can you know body shots just put a Kovolev to a knee and the fight with a stoppage in the middle rounds but wouldn't you say more effective at going to the body to stop Kovalev their Canelo is not only a great body puncher he's a committed body puncher like gluskin the biggest it forces them to reset and if you can just force him to reset and give yourself a second second and a half to recover you can control the pace of this fighting buddies six or seven where you know and then five that are kind of left up to interpretation which is always dangerous boxing but canal is a minus four fifty scorecard directly truck but also write it down on my my notepad and I have question marks restaurants next to each one of the rounds I think are are questionable I think it's a great idea almost got knocked out in that fight almost didn't happen eighth round you know he's getting beat up and allow those shots to the body if yard was a more experienced fighter he might have been I that's a great idea thank you that's because because we do that like you get to like round nine and Brian Kenny looks over at me it'll be like he'll are and more debilitating than we give credit for People just like Oh yeah he just moved up a weight class it's like once you go once you're going into like the that's something that that an audience would appreciate knowing that there are three or four rounds you thought could could really go either way yeah or you even if you did the Astra's that'd be the more primitive way to do it vishay you don't have to do that and you can kinda remember I write this just a looked behind the scenes there I use like this this this ipad that sends the he'll take some to dish some out and I'm not sure if if Kovolev if that power is there that first that first round I think Kovalev Kubota I I think he can beat him I think there's there's an obvious way he does going into deep waters and just pounding this Guy Kovalev wins despite all right I look forward to the color coded scorecards from U. N. disown on Saturday night with is there a good undercard that we should watch her just basics pants shorts shirts sweatshirts outerwear available and big tomboy sizes to msn by Michael Strahan also sports high tech features Edison's every round to go there Kello does canal just hunts you at that midsection if he can get inside and most people expect him to from working out playing golf or just relaxing MSMX by Michael Strahan has you covered athletic inspired functional pieces including Msn you know most trainers are bullish on their guys winning buddies pretty convinced that if Cobo fights his fight he's GonNa win this one and and listening to him talk I can see I can see how a chance Kovalyov can turn the table I was having breakfast with with buddy mcgirt Kovalyov's trainer this morning and you know buddies a lot of history and sort of taking over older the JC penny raise your game with MSMX by Michael Strahan athletic expired functional pieces designed for guys who were always on the go creates reversal writers and formed fighters and and turn and helping them get their career back on track with Gaudy towards the the end of his career yes notably but sx by Michael Strahan is available exclusively at JC Penney visit a store near you or go to JCP DOT COM and explore Michael's lifestyle content on Michael Strahan Garcia duct but that's interesting it's the biggest step up of Ryan Garcia's career and he's in an interesting way class where you got like Devin Haney was really good and Taylor Fema Lopez somebody that his opponent fell out and do was the guy that golden boys promoter want to replace them with and Garcia said no he said no because the money wasn't right but the way it was spun was that Garcia was ducking do know Mike all of a sudden do not turn into like this you know he's like the Muhammad Ali lightweights at this point because you know he's the guy that Ryan like no shave seems UV protection quick dry stretch technology and much more their performance enhanced designs are built to go everywhere you go and interact with their friends along with snapchat where their social life eighty percent of it is through facetime and snapchat Minana Zoe's anytime bill are bringing in Adam and one second I will talk about M. 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X. by Michael Strahan and Bilbo exclusive is really good and Virgil Ortiz around that way class to that's that's a pretty interesting fight as the Coleman awesome all right Chris Mannix looking forward to watching it thanks for there but I just I just think it's really hard to go away quest I think you'll know early if if what everybody thinks is gonNA turn out right or if there is my least favorite platform okay but right now it's facebook but I love Instagram and I think watching my kids in the way they use it the jealous twenty percent fearful anything that's new just presents challenges so like how people use it is going to change how people for two hours my kids on the phone yeah we have for us I mean that gives us a little but the phone is like are just screen times only allowed on flights Dan Dot Com Adema series here had of Instagram your work of facebook you wanted to come on dude I usually don't allow people and he's really dishing it out I don't know I I feel like this is more of a toss up for me I get it I get it why what's going on here but in this case instagram is probably my favorite platform I think facebook is my least favourite platform where you came from ochre twitter is becoming gravitate to the main event it's the Co main there is Ryan Garcia who is like this super popular lightweight yeah three-million instagram followers I like on it that's key I think if those limits weren't there and the the fear of it was there and somebody being on their phone constantly are being at dinner on their phone or being it's and and if they're sick but you can I mean you can always understand sometimes if you busy you had a long day you WanNa have dinner with the family and the kids screaming that like using he was telling me he's like always been saying Sergei's that every time Cannella gets on the inside of you hurts you just fire off that jab just keep throwing it because he hit him with the JAB and and instagram but not it's not replacing human interaction because they had that to all the stuff that we just never had when we were growing up and I'm ninety going up against this yeah he's going with his kid name Romero do no and if you follow boxing like about a month and a half ago two months ago Garcia was supposed to fight whatever but you know when I go third I'm just grown through pictures and little twelve second twenty second audio clips are video clips This is more than entertaining enough for next two hours there but I think some parents almost see that as a babysitter the fallen right it's like oh great now that I can do my own thing abuse it is going to change and so I think a little bit of fear or a little bit of skepticism is actually healthy but ninety ten is probably even a little bit more percent jealous of it and ten percent fearful what's the right ratio Ooh do these to talk by the way he didn't love take a ninety percent jealous ten percents get where everybody was coming from you're trying to create this platform that can accommodate everybody and can push news and push all these different things and you're who invite themselves on but in this case actually wanted to talk to you so it was fair while I appreciate that is the I usually it's like fight club if people asked to come on then then it's like it differs by age groups is not because we don't actually ask for People's age on Instagram oh yeah that makes sense some people we can know if to connect to their facebook account in facebook like if they're gonNa Watch something we watch it with them that way we can make sure we're not overusing and we pretty much only use it on flights and if they're sick what's the timespan on instagram like how how of newsfeed during that whole cycle so definitely was very much in it I think the clear biggest regret for me is just how offered this like I took my daughter to the soccer game last week took her phone Allen says it put it away or we're at this soccer playoff game you love soccer like don't look at your phone there's a reason for you to be in your phone we look at what's happened in some of the other things you have facebook when you know the news facebook news and all the stuff that happened the election this stuff like that where you know we do ask for age on facebook than we can know but for a lot of accounts we just don't know so that's that's harder we can make educated guesses so we'd sound like we are the negative consequences that can also come from connecting people I still believe that more good comes bad but we were years late and trying to embrace totally blind but I would say the data on the age side is less much less than the date on just how much time do people spend generally I think the reason I like it so much and I've said this on the is not advocating for that shift years earlier I had Jack Dorsey here I don't know like eight nine months ago talking about twitter and it was I listened to yeah it was a little bit of the same issues understanding that bad because if you're going to design a product usually are so worried about is it gonNa Work People GonNa like it in the first place but at our scale into not only think about that you need to think about how might be abused or what how my some sort of nefarious about actors use it for harm and you have to design good is your data and stuff like that like with age groups and screen time all that stuff are good data on how much time people spend on instagram is pretty good data on how the when we started we were so excited about all the good that comes from connecting people that we were understandably focused on it but under focused on the bad that can come ask before is it's the simplest social platform Ulta my it's like here's a picture I took here and there could be other variations of it and there could be videos and mcvay optimistic and I am but I am over all excited about what we do on ninety ten only because I think we're doing a good job as parents limiting how often there really doing about it yeah and I think that the to have the conversation productively you have to break down and talk about different pieces to speak about abroad and then we can dive into whatever the product had tried to proactively address those issues and we are doing that now and that is a culture shift that takes is taking years and quite frankly like if you're asking what my biggest regretted speech for instance you have to define it you have to measure it you have to build technology to identify it's you have to remove it from the buffet whenever you see you might have to change their policies etc is two years about like yeah we gotta do better we should have seen this are they actually fixing it so I think issue like I think there's really the way I think about it there's two different types of things we can do there's one is trying to identify key issue so take pace have to start it's good to hold us accountable not just to can we say that we have responsibility can we say that we made mistakes but what are we and I think I have two boys younger the three and once they're not on social media but just thinking about them to become teenagers I'm probably more like eighty percents like identifying a acute problem addressing it but I think you need to pair that with rethinking some of the fundamentals about how the plot from his work in the first place to share change how people feel about what the platform is four six a for instance on instagram right now we're running an experiment about seven countries where we just hide likes and and I kept kind of asking him gently in the same way as like Jira platform you're in charge of it you can fix it however you want if people feel safe for pads to about for an hour he didn't want a repeat hours for us the we try to have a rule which is if they're going to be on it we're on with them mm from connecting people at the scale that we do that was for lack of better words not ease relate to appreciate all of the about recruited CETERA. We've always been very tied to some of the nasty earlier problems like child exploitation imagery yeah The phone as a way to distract a kid could be appealing for me I like the way the kids are definitely yeah but we can hand your kid and talk about a little more would it what would your biggest regret look back to the mid two thousand ten's yeah so I've been a facebook for eleven years and I was actually in charge Nazi control what happens with it but then I think in retrospect I think everybody at Facebook Shit we should've should've maybe looked at this harder you can't actually no one can see how many likes you have except for you that is a small change in terms of sort of actual visual change in the platform but a big change in how people feel because going into the two thousand ten's it was like watch out for these guys I remember going there two thousand eleven and the campus was way bigger and Ray where he saying we do a better job didn't realize this was gonNA happen abuse yeah that's bad we gotta fix that yeah and so that might work that might not but you have to be willing to not only identify issues and address them but rethink some of the core contracts otherwise I think you're going to be playing China commits us to promote greenland stuff on facebook stuff like that and division that everybody had was kind of overwhelming yeah when we talk to people about what they like about facebook they often say that they just feel like they might be surprising some sort of positive way when they come on the platform because facebook does so many different things right where we were clearly late as areas like misinformation And so that is that is just what it is become all and you're not gonNa make as much progress as I think you need to but if you're asking are we fixing it I think we are certainly doing much elaborate than I expected and kind of the vision I went with ESPN people and it was like I think right when we were creating grantland in certain areas and other areas so happy to dive in but it's hard to answer that in the sort of the big broad you feel like you were late yes on a percents late say for whatever reason that's ultimately you're in control of that and I think reading some of this stuff that facebook has said over the last especially the last fight I think this is a bad side but you know there's also another element of this is you read a story like that and you go what else is going on with this guy the facebook has always been about Brett's and a lot of ways instagram unconscious has been more about doing a few things and going a bit deeper in each of those things what we can do is try and figure out what we what we can do better and move as quickly as we can go into the twenty twenties what is what is facebook become what is tissues that we've just talked about and you've heard about less I think we were pretty good pretty early on issues like terrorism sometimes terrorists try to use our platform to spread that's propaganda it just everything we'll know later from a reaction standpoint yeah I think we were late I think their issues where we were doing we were more on top Dylan is to some degree in I- I think in some cases for the right reasons and it does seem like the audience has gotten older so what happens in the two thousand like we want to be the dominant place everything really you're sure you can do that it was like yes this is this is what our plan was everywhere now two thousand twenty s you know they've been I just yeah I I want to go where we have into the second half of the pot okay grown and facebook I because you were there for I'm happy to talk about both I think facebook in twenty-two facebook I can talk to instagram more than I can talk to facebook broadly phase you're at facebook for you must have opinions on do have opinions for for people either groups Close or open the ringers groups are super active for instance sometimes these large interest groups so could be the ringer could be so I think facebook is going to expand the things that it does some of the some of the projects will work some of them own I think we talk a lot about groups because we're seeing a lot of momentum I don't think you were wrong although I still feel like facebook should have responsibility that that's why it's so complicated I don't really have an answer for this so what were it's complicated for sure what we're trying to do right now is basically and this is controversial I understand reasonable people can disagree but when it's when it's unclear did you somehow ended up in a little bit with whether Breitbart should be a facebook news partner Dan I'm not positive how I feel bad the people to say how they feel and who should be moderating that speech and where the lines are and I don't think any do a lot of work and events I think you'll see us try and create value for people in products are areas where the because I do wonder with freedom of speech which is supposed to be what we've had for the last three hundred plus years and it seems like freedom of speech has now become surely for certain types of issues governments and regulators decide what is okay and is not as opposed to companies. I worry about any one company making a decision about it'd most everyone is on the platform is value right so if you're trying to create an event it's great that most people are on facebook that you know if that's the case because then you can invite everybody you know dating is something that facebook is doing now and trying to connect people and that's were forget how many countries were in upwards of twenty now but the other big thing looking as next decade is just do deserve huge trends about how people communicate and how that's shifting the people who came online after the shift to mobile so like teens everywhere but like most people in India they message way more than they use any feed products part facebook which you you were doing forever I was that was on that was my thing I was managing that for half a decade so the the recent controversy additional a better way I'm not saying I agree with hate speech any of that stuff but it seems like we're in a weird time right now with trying to figure out what kind of freedoms do we you know what is okay no not okay to say for us just will use you made that point right you like yours social platform I'm not sure we should be the ones governing what speeches who are more and more moving to messaging away from public feeds and stories privacy privacy is huge people becoming wise to define implicated and I don't think it's going to get solved like did you have any insight on does this get soft I think things get better I hope that radio so I think you'll see us continue to lean into that and then try and take China can think through where the fact that facebook does so many things we biased towards being allowing speech yet where we don't is where we think there are safety issues there are safety issues that come from hate speech or inciting violence etc so those act when they say something in public might come back later and so you know kids are growing up in their messaging way more than they're on the phone and they they're mess if you look at any group of a bit like I know what my personal feelings are but I don't know if those are necessarily the feelings that should govern everything and I don't think there's an answer and I think it's really conference type thing and super senior person actually at a publication Harkin leave anonymous just to is of benefit and not a cost and lean into that as well instagram I think is probably taking a different path but we can talk about it in the second yeah the newsfeed it's all the speech that's on the platform yes so you have to rely on a combination of people end technology I remember I was in New York and I am speaking at this of those lines driven drawn in the right place and how do you have enough people to decide what's crossed the line was that it's a it's almost a supply and demand thing you're never gonNA have enough people to cover we draw the line and we take content off the platform entirely sometimes we're good at it sometimes we're not as good at it as we should be actually pretty confident we'll get pretty good at at that the question is the people to be able to implement that policy enforce policy accurately and then you have to build a bunch of measures to make sure that they're making the right decisions not throwing shade his way asking like how do you make the decision like there's a there is a beheading video we argue about it in the morning about with another is worse stories product or like a traditional vertical feed product so I think as the as lean into that video is this is like an insatiable demand for more and more I am news meeting is and you have you debate debate the merits yeah about this specific video what we do is we have to define a policy then we have to train tens of thousands ISO ninety nine point nine percent of the time we have to build technology to judge identified that is a violent video in the first place and then prioritize you have to make sure that the people who are making these decisions all day long are unreasonable mental state because looking at violent videos all day long is pretty taxing emotionally well there's been a lot of it'd be scumbags basically absolutely summer ideologically motivated summer financially motivated just scumbags lack of a better word changes because you really want experts because these calls are nuanced and so it's just a very different system you get to decide is it is okay are not to say on this podcast right now stuff is you know obviously incredibly disturbing and you see these you know they they find Youtube Zada bigger problem with this where these codes surfing on on our news site are not how do you make that decision and I said this is what you do is you get a group of people in a room probably at your a one or whatever your equivalent ninety features about that the last two years it's your burning people out in fear so how'd you provide the right support for them whether it's you know currently as possible so nudity nudity I guess would be easier because if it's like you have computer stuff and it's like hey that's a dick that's coming off and in their cues and then you have to try to make sure that those what those classifies but that technologies is accurate as possible to make the most out of people's time for us we just have to try and draw bright lines around things that are safety issues and then build his complicated apparatus to try to make sure that those decisions are enforced to see did videos and then it goes to other stuff and play kids play acting but they're endangered leads to other stuff and and people are just getting smarter it's smarter speech or when people are navigating around with the boundaries are yeah and they figured out like Oh if I do it this way and especially all the child porn does different types of like giving them people to talk to that kind of stuff but also can you rotate them in an out of areas I'm so that they can sort of spread the load a little bit that has not even just necessarily who you are much spe- like are you making a joke or not etcetera there it's just harder so people always put technology and people about identifying how we might be misused adjusting those issues we have responsibility to be transparent about what we do in how we do it and I think we speech people are going to be more involved in rely less on technology that we will try to help us build technology to help that happen faster and more accurately for areas where we can use technology collaboration and so and what that looks like it would depend on the issue and that's okay she'd facebook cabin newsfeed I think so list it's an immense amount of responsibility I think we have a we have a responsibility to create value for people we have responsibility to be Proactive or directly in more confidently we're going to leverage those are still obviously have people involved as well I don't like it when people put those two things in opposition I think those things need to be certain things particularly nuance technology's really good at other things particularly scales this is basically the same issue in Sports with referees and challenges and all this stuff right I think that the dinos our thinks I believe so is that a is that a word in between the two yeah the newsfeed is too much power after my boys my wife probably the most important people in my life and I get to do that because of social media and that's not just facebook and instagram you're solving is you WanNa take advantage of all the tools you have available and use them for what they're good at and so for us people good at nuance so for things like hates word there are certain issues where it's easier to use technology to identify them so nudity is this easier you know you can you can train a classified recognize addict or director doesn't apple this is something you can do it's harder sometimes sometimes you make mistakes write at the happens but that isn't easier technical problem than hate speech where like my sister lives in Berlin I keep up to date with them you know what they post on facebook and twitter that I get to be a little closer to my siblings who are they are they're methodologies change and they are like well-funded especially the state actors and that is terrifying and so forget this two thousand twenty election I'm nervous about two thousand twenty anti I think that to be comfortable in being a job like I'm in would just be dangerous I think we have to worry I think the people that are trying to leverage our platform to even about how much bad there was and I think we're not playing catch up are you comfortable with facebook's ability but that happens to and I'm not pretending a dozen I think that I think the good outweighs the bad I think in the beginning we were all of the pit them against each other like are people better technology better use people use technology I think that's missing the point yeah people are really good everything we can on elections integrity and we're making progress you're seeing us announced that when we find these networks of authentic coordinated accounts were A I might see something that I might say might behave speech but if you say it might actually just be expression right that that we can think of tons of language and words that is you need to understand that context you might not know about yet I know we can't do this and I wish we could but I wish going on the Internet was like having a driver's license I really do so you can know how to recognize the deck probably different sizes it turns out it's easier to recognize but I wouldn't we have done better at worst show those three things over the years I broadly though I think we we bring a lot of people together my brother lives here in L. A. Allow men was getting pretty basically the same thing right we're we're edgy more and more toward challenges and technology and I don't like it as much well I think for what you're doing all the damage people can do online arguably they could do less damage in a car and we're so careful about cars right I wish your social security number was tied to it and I know he can't I know there's no way to do this I know go badly but I just wish you think about have someone commercial breaks depending on the sport that is just it just yet and I just can't imagine what it'd be like an athlete get cold all the time yeah but in general I think what you want when no matter what Oh it's usually just to like polarize it's usually just to anger you know and not just get everyone riled up mad are really sophisticated and what's your handle should be sometimes part of the world were expressing something might not be safe to do that happens for journalists and lots of the World Yeah Teens Action Instagram often have multiple I think it through you can probably apply some lessons from things like driver's licenses to specific areas within instagram and facebook where you have the most hey the worst thing you can do in a car is like drive into I don't know forty people on the Internet you can drive into millions of people and we don't care we honestly would rebel against the concept of yeah if you go online wherever detract what you do yeah no we can't do that that's big brother well here's the other alter we're looking at can we try not in have a driver's test but can we try and make sure that we have a higher bar for knowing someone is if they have a lot of distribution because maybe it's one of our top priority broadly for instagram as well being in the big thing it's not even in twenty twenty it's an election cycle now is how do we make sure we do sounds hoop station whatever and then you talk about basketball as your basketball persona and so that's a value that but not knowing who you are creates risks probably more yeah probably the we have a robots and stop doing this over well you challenges for me to slow the pace of the Games in a way that I think is a little bit off putting because you already people maybe we should have a higher bar for knowing who you are and verifying that you are who you say you are that's exactly we're actively exploring just that kind of thing I think if you if you who you've got one hundred friends you have one hundred followers on instagram you know there's brisk there but that is a relatively contained but if you're reaching millions of senator we have another election foot potentially here with all the different ways people can flip this That is one of the biggest debates right now though is the between private yeah this fence does In Japan teen sometimes have these these microphones does so to be like three friends and said the three of you have your own the only people about him as we take them down I'd much rather be in a place where we're announcing those things that were being told of how type by the outside world there's progress there but I'm worried about what in I think that's totally on the table it's just crazy to me that people are so desperate to protect in anonymity on the Internet and that people yeah you usually have a main one you've won for your real friends you might expand their caught a spam account yeah there's the spend Zoe spam oh I to me it's like how how are we trying to do better so there is something to that though we are right now Asian of Instagram just the three of you that I've heard mostly out of Japan sometimes you'll see an interest maybe you're in the basketball you follow basketball the upside on what's the downside and make the call but I'm very interested in introducing more friction where there is the most risk I am less interested in I think it's not maybe not a big thing here in the states but I think like in Africa where you have a lot less driver's licenses coverage like that's not doesn't feel great juicing juicing a bunch of friction for the you know a random fifteen year old kid who wants to come online or a small podcast or and why didn't you act sooner looking back for years later would spend the most unfair thing about that accounts because their identities are complicated going through figuring out who you are I am aware of this yeah she only has two she's other friends that have like four we have earnings we can't say instruments gone up seventeen million users this last quarter whatever it is that one issue certainly a risk to the business another issue is there the people who might

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Here Comes the NBA; Lloyd Pierce

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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Here Comes the NBA; Lloyd Pierce

"They are sports illustrate made incredible body of or I really appreciate the integrity. Is Well on. Great job. We Love IT Luckily Bank Keys Kris menace. These employed by sports illustrated. The announcers got it informed. This is the crossover NBA podcast. You have a problem with it. Build a team that can beat of hosted by the one and. Thank God mannix all right welcome back to another episode of the Crossover podcast. Glad you could join me this week. Really really good show lined up for you. The NBA is weeks away from return to the floor. League will officially resume its season on July Thirtieth Sam Amick the great NBA writer from the athletic. He joins me. We talk about some of are still lingering concerns. What might happen if there is an outbreak inside the NBA's bubble and what teams could surprise in this new resume season where it seems like anything could go inside that bubble a little bit later on Lloyd. Pierce head coach of the Atlanta Hawks. He joins me. The hawks are doing something really interesting. Interesting in that community and land is gonNA open up state farm arena as a polling place, so you can go into the hawks, building and vote in the upcoming months I talked to pierce above that about the social justice movement being continued during the NBA season and his thoughts on Vince Carter who is now officially retired, so stick around for that great conversation with Lloyd. Pierce quick housekeeping. No, if you like this podcast, very easy way can support it. Head over to Apple. PODCASTS post a comment. Leave Rating. It's simple. It's easy. It's free. It's the best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. That's it aright onto my conversation with Sam Amick. All Right Sam Amick is here. NBA writer over at the athletic. He is enjoying quarantine in northern California where I'm sure his family is just been ecstatic and every day they get to spend with Sam I right. They're saying the family just just loving having you around. I Law Mannix don't be speaking for me. Presumption big time to say that I'm enjoying cording. First of all second of all I mean maybe I'll bring our two boys in here, and you could ask them for yourself how they're feeling about daily lectures were dad tells you that you're not getting up early. Enough you know. I literally, you'll be proud to me. I, we talked off air about how putting my camp counselor hat on and trying to keep them active man. I got out on my elliptical. If like, if they don't have physical activity during the day, then got to do something, and they're out there acting like they're at the gym, but we're weird. Time brother, but thank you for having me and good to see you. I wonder how your kids and kids of any age will remember this right like you and I will remember this vividly for decades to come like twenty twenty year that the world stood still nearly fell apart i. wonder if kids will. Will remember all this. Well I mean it's going to be talked about for all the time and I just talked to somebody about this yesterday. Obviously, the longer it goes on it just you know the mark on history that much greater and even as I. Sit here talking, you know this thought crossed my mind today. It's just insanity that we are officially today at the halfway point of two thousand twenty like we're only halfway done, and this thing has been one for the ages and through the NBA. Lens of course you know you're talking on New Year's Day David Stern passing away and then Kobe Bryant not long thereafter and so many other stories, Cincinnati but It's scary stuff, man, not only because of the medical stuff of course, but then. There's the ripple effect on life and society in where we all going, and even you and I in our industry. What's the ultimate price that gets paid because of all this just nothing, but uncertainty every day, but all in all actually like you know for us where we're doing okay making our way through it, and no question, new set of challenges, though for the NBA that seem to pop up weekly at this point, but look as we sit here speaking mid week it's full steam ahead for the NBA. They are going to Orlando. Florida is rapidly emerging as one of the nation's hotspots, Corona virus, but the NBA. Believes in their campus environment and believes in their ability to secure it. As. We head towards the SAM. What is your greatest concern at this point? Is it protecting the integrity of bubble, is it? Protecting I guess the integrity of an NBA postseason, which gets a little more goofy in my eyes. Every time a player pulls out, or you have news of team like Portland which has is GonNa have a whole new front frontcourt back in action. To go like where where's your greatest concern going into all this? Not to be hyperbolic, but it's really not because of the grave circumstances for me. It's it's. Just GonNa cut to I. Don't want any funerals here. You know what I mean and. I'm not talking about players because the science tells us. Young incredibly fit healthy men are probably going to be okay, but we all know that the number one danger of this virus is the way in which it spreads and so an older coach, older staff member What worries me is that as we know it right now? The way this is going to function once you're on the campus. You're getting. Let's say tested every single day, but if you pick a time all right I got tested at nine am. Will at ten am. I didn't know it, but one of the Disney employees touched a counter that I've been touched and I picked it up. Then played a game that night and I contacted twenty five different people and I don't get tested again until the following day. There is lag time here. There are vulnerable. And that me for everybody involved I wrote the other day that for me felt like a rocket launch. Where it's you know, part of it is kind of exciting where you're just hoping to see this. Is rocket basically break all the laws of science and make its way to the moon, but the entire time you're sitting there in the back you Ryan. Thank does blow up and that's where we're at and so they had a step forward last week with the agreement on both sides. Sides to really forge ahead, and before you know it, you got news coming out of Denver. News coming out of New Orleans coming out of Brooklyn all these different teams that are shutting facilities down and all. We're seeing the obstacles at a really early stage so I don't know where it's GonNa go. You mentioned the coaches and you know that came up in the last couple of weeks. The idea that coaches of a certain age should take extra protections like wear masks during games. And as we know whether to Alvin, Gentry or Mike, Dan Tony or Gregg Popovich there are a number of and those just the head coaches I mean they're of assistant coaches of that age as well. There was a pretty significant pushback from you. Know the warranty. Gary's of the world. The Coaches Association led by Rick Carlisle off any older coaches, taking those precautions and I kinda scratch my head at that Sam because. I understand it. I guess it sort of reminds people that they're older, but like I think general managers know that anyway I. Don't think it's going to cost them like it's going to cost Mike Tony, a new contract somewhere else or somewhere else if it wears a mask for three months I, just I think it's a legitimate concern raised by the NBA. Curious reaction from. Coaching agents and the coaches association to push back so hard, and what was your reaction to to have it all of played out of a matter of days. Yeah so I was somewhat surprised. I actually have talked to Warren about Mike, the Antonioni in particular, and he joked when we talked about it, and this is before Jr had put out his stuff where he essentially said well, we'll have to talk to our. trae what he called in their employees, employment lawyers something of that sort, and he goes oh I'm just kidding. Will he clearly wasn't kidding? And the assertion? Is this that in not to agree or disagree, but at least understand the argument is that if Kobe nineteen is going to be part of our lives for quite some time, I think as an agent. Concern is that let's go ahead to twenty twenty one. Mike Mike Tony is going to be a free agent coach later this year All of sudden that twenty million dollar contract he gets is fourteen million dollars because he has a stigma attached to him as a compromise coach. Somebody who might have to come and go based on, you know the precautions that are taken with this disease new virus. None of which is to say I mean I understand it I don't totally agree with. It feels just extraordinarily kind of preemptive and a little tone. Deaf based on what everybody is facing right now, but at the end of the day that I mean agents are paid. You know fight for the best contracts possible for their guys and a little bit surprised that that even Mike and Albany guys like that. are kind of play in that sense card and I don't know that ultimately. It's going to matter that much Chris. Could you know that once you get on the campus? It's just a different ball of wax and mass aren't necessarily the same effectiveness of that make sense in that environment that they are on the outside, but but it was a it was a wild one, and you know I. Just everybody needs to do everything they can to be sick. Put your advisory kind of hat on for a second I mean the NBA released that hundred and thirteen page memo which was. Very detailed it I've seen. In comparison boxing memos which are like twenty pages long or nine pages long trying to secure their locates the NBA above and beyond I thought in that memo to try to address every single issue, but if there's something in that memo or something that wasn't in that memo that struck you or something that was in there that that Kinda gave made. You scratch your head a little bit like if you could, if you were advising the NBA to do maybe a little bit more on something or change something. Something, stand out. Well I. Don't know if this was deliberate or not, but they did not specifically address. The protocol and the the perspective on some of the worst case, scenarios in Adam Silver has since addressed a few of them with media calls, but you know. The, idea that for one I asked him on the call if a superstar. Gets, you know test positive or is a role player Is there any different treatment? Might you let delay a series for a few days? Because I'm sorry Lebron is not the same as Alex Crusoe, and that's it and he said No. All players are going to be treated the same There was all the scenarios that I think are going to basically control their lives out. There were not really chronicle I. If it was a lawyer, reading and lawyer writing it, it was probably very deliberate where you leave yourself a lot of wiggle room. Figure it out on on the on the fly, and Adam has been cleared. They're going to do a lot of that. That now makes me nervous. I mean he's flat out, said on the call that you know a lot of this is going to be get boots on the ground. Start to see how the system is actually functioning and then react from there. I mean that feels like you know building a roller coaster while you're sitting there. barreling down the track and I'm not sure that that's going to work, and that's where I don't Envy Adam. Is We all I? Keep saying this week and I'll be big boys and and adults and realize that this is about money is about cash, and this is about not losing the incredible amount of revenue that is on the table. And Adam is the guy. It was first and foremost there to work for the owners, and he's got his alliance with the players, and it's risky business, and they're going to go ahead and do it, and and there's no guarantees her, and it's a fair question to pose Adam about it's a different set of rules for each player and look I understand. The NBA doesn't want to get into hypotheticals debate. They'd rather just crossed their fingers and hope those scenarios don't happen, but I can't imagine him a scenario. WHERE IF YOU'RE A game? One of the NBA finals and Lebron test positive for coronavirus. Like you're shutting that shit down like you're waiting until he's. He's all the way back because. TV. Partner is going to tell you to wait like if it's. Let's assume like Milwaukee versus the Lakers like your television partner is going to be screaming. We're not doing this. You're not going with the four game series or five game series when you can just wait seven days for this to clear Lebron system maybe and pick up there I. Just I don't believe it i. think that if push comes to shove, and they're presented with that type of scenario whether it's Lebron even Colli Janas out in eastern conference like they're. I think they're. They're changing the rules there and and they're shutting that thing down. Well. This is probably why they don't want to specifically address some of this stuff. Because if that in fact happened and listen, this happens in life. That would be Adam reversing course because he went on record the other day, saying that it would be treated like any other injury that life goes on you keep playing ball and to your point yet. That's fine enough to say that you know at the beginning of the process there. Let's talk during those NBA finals when everything's on the line, let's say everything. Just run beautifully, safety, health, good basketball, and then you have this trip at the end. You know you know they're going to think about delaying inner change in the rules and that's where I hope for them. that eventually gets more comfortable because right now. It just feels incredibly uncomfortable yesterday for Fred. Badly of the raptors I thought was really good and his interview with the media talking about flat out that basic these guys clearly got some regrets. for deciding to play in more players had stepped up and said specifically for social justice reasons that they didn't WanNa play that he would have done that. He said it seemed like a good idea a couple of weeks ago and now he seems to feel a little bit differently. You're hearing a lot of that. From these players I saw an interview with Damian Lillard. Guy Shop Sharana talking about the fact that you know you just you don't want to go out there and have everything goes sideways, but everybody's GonNa. Give it a go, but uncertainty is one thing I mean. This is twenty, four seven, three sixty five level on certain. Can something that everybody's going to have to get used to which pretty tough yeah, I agree with you, too. On Adam, not wanting to stake out a position, you might have to reverse. He kind of already did that. You know back in April saying we're only GONNA go forward when Krona buyers cases dip, and the curve is bent, and here we are right out to head to Florida where it's nothing even close to that. It's actually the reverse right now and people are kind of pushing those words on him, but I think you know behind closed doors. I just can't fathom them. GOING FORWARD WITH A serial I'm with Lebron is is ultimately out of it. Do you view Sam this? I mean look this is this is a new thing. And I know you talked to as many as I do probably more like on a regular basis like I have a lot of GM's who just don't describe this as a continuation, but like this is a new thing, and this is four months off and. Teams look difference. Some dramatically different than what they look like. When when the pandemic I shut the league down I mean this is commonly asked question, but with that kind of backdrop. Is this going to ultimately down the line? Be considered a real championship, or are we always going to look at this as being all right? This was the championship on the twenty twenty strain season. I would say that I pathetically if we said that they relatively healthy, and maybe there's a couple of positives, but there's no super spreader incidents, and maybe no superstars it the virus. Let's that's one key if I'm GONNA give a whole lot of credit who whoever wins his title? Because from a mental health standpoint and a focus standpoint, and a determination will standpoint I think this is unlike anything. Any of these guys have faced individually and anybody. That ever played this game in the past. It's really you know you think about the fact that pro athletes for all the time have been notorious for their routines right for for being superstitious and wearing the same choose all these different things. Your entire routine is put on its head. Now you have no family around you or friends whoever you want to be around until after the first round of the playoffs. You're in an environment that it's nice. It's A. Nice hotel, but it's going to be miserable when it comes to not me, you know how many games have two can play ping pong, and and really on a more meaningful standpoint. You're going to have young men. You know specifically black who are frustrated because so much happening in their community around the country right now and they're going to be sidelined. They're you know they can have social media they. They can have their voice. Be Heard I think all of those things over the span of three months. Whoever is on the top of that mountain at the end? I think that's a tremendous achievement. If they can get there, but you're a hundred percent right in terms of it being its own entity because for one you got the rust. That's GONNA. Come with everybody having been away for so long. Then, you have the uniqueness of no homecourt advantage, and no traveling, which is Super Bizarre So you know it's not an Asterix I. Don't know what it is. It's different it's it's category, but I think it's going to have a lot of value attached to yeah, I mean whoever comes out of this you a lot of credit to not just overcoming the physical, but the mental as you talked about being down there and. kind of going stir crazy at all times I've had several players who have said to me I don't golf man spilling. Dale am I going to do? So the players lounge can only offer so much I don't know what the hell. The concert situation is I mean. How many haircuts can you get like there's only saw you can do in that type of environment, so there will be a big mental hurdle to overcome that I think. The story of postseason. Are you as fast I'm like? I love the behind the scenes stuff as you do, but I'm fascinated by the fact that the Milwaukee Bucks. Are Sharing a hotel. With the raptors and the heat like that is the greatest thing I've ever heard of like. You've got the two teams that presumably are going to be making a run at Janas in two thousand, twenty one, if he's an unrestricted free agent sharing hotel with him for as long as a month and a half two months. You think John Horst is not going to be like staking out a position the lobby. Like watching to see if like Riley rolls through like with would that velvet bag? That Brian Winters wrote about that velvet bag. Of Rings or Messiah Like Hand In hand like inviting you to Africa to be part of the. I think. We'll keep this between us bug, but I think we need to come up with a plan to get a spy on the inside to watch Jonathan's hotel room door and the stack of gifts that gets piled. You know what the different team Fran. Logos on there, my buddy and colleague. In Strauss had a coined the phrase the other day I think GM, said it till Tampa. Palooza which I thought was pretty good. I mean it is it's it's insane because you think about like all star weekend or the Olympics environments like that when they become, you know the kind of the breeding ground for this type of recruiting and player to player conversations, and all that that the length of time that these dudes are going to be chilling together I. Mean they're GonNa be? It can work through every scenario. Scenario under the moon, and then the executives are there to I. Do you know and I? Do currently plan on going to Orlando for the back end? The part that I will still be bombed out. That didn't get to see because as you know. The media stays in its own hotel. We cannot interact with the team and the players in a separate hotel that painting that picture and knowing kind of what type of stuff happened in there Hopefully we can source some of it and learn a few. But that's never happened, and then everything's going to happen like fireworks on the back end, because obviously, the schedule has impacted so I. Think we'll probably after the final is going to see in pretty short order. You know what some of these conversations led to. A GM labeled that Hotel Temple of tampering. where? This is going to be hanging out at. That sounds like Disney ride. You'RE GONNA. Have like a like a like a gopro outside of Janas. Room just aimed at the door to monitor. Or sentenced security guard to just sit there and just like monitor everything that he's doing and then given threat wherever you are on the subject of Jaanus. Conventional Wisdom was finals or bust for Milwaukee to get the sign, but lots obviously changed since then not the least of which is. I mean I. Don't know if the Financial San. We're going to be different you know looking ahead to. Next summer. Does it still make financial sense for Jaanus to sign that Max level extension? Do you think that the rules have changed with all this that you know? It's not as simple as Yana signs he stays. He doesn't sign the half to explore potentially moving him. I have no reason to think that it's changed that that would certainly have been my most recent pulse. You know pre coded just in terms of you know I mean this is the toughest part of Pro Sports is at an organization can be simultaneously madly in love with they. Player never wants to see him go away, but then the second that he sends that signal that he's thinking about. You know going elsewhere. They gotta do what they gotTa. Do and I do anticipate that that's the way the bucks handle this, and that's why again later this year could get very interesting and only honest knows. How might look at this playoff challenge differently than if this had never happened because I could certainly see just on a human level him having the attitude that you know this, what's about to happen like the question is? Does it truly accurately represent what you have as a group as a basketball team? You know if if you fall short. Is it because you don't? Don't have enough, or is it because you know? This guy tested positive and had a hard time getting back, and that guy just wasn't feeling Orlando. There's so many things, and this extends beyond Milwaukee not to jump off the bucks, but someone said to me recently. They're like you know. Coaches are already like preemptively frustrating because somebody will probably wind to pay in A. Pay With their job, if things don't go well enough in these playoffs and coaches, are they like to have controlled environments and control as much as they possibly can. They've never had less control over the circumstances and done the less. They're going to pay for them if things don't go well for their team, so. Again I can't read the honest his mind, I still think the bugs I mean they'd be done a wonderful job of putting themselves in the best position possible to to get this thing done and have them be there for a long time, but you know this is a new calculus I'm with you on what they've done i. mean you really can't do much more than what Milwaukee's done building, a team of shooters around him hiring the best coach out there. Hell brothers on the roster. What more at this point, what more can Milwaukee Deuce you're? You're almost find yourself rooting for them in a way that it would be. A good team gets what they deserve and a lot of ways when shirts to bring back to quest four. Let you go one. As you look at field right now if you take Milwaukee and the to La teams off the board. WHO's the next team up there that you think has the best chance of winning this thing. I'm not feeling. Anybody I mean Denver came to mind, but now all of a sudden they got close facility and superstar who tested positive. That worries me for them. you know I mean Toronto's had a wonderful season, but it's just. I can't mentally make that jump to put them back where they were last year. You know Philly. Ben Simmons being feeling good, which by all accounts you know he is I think that's a big deal like everybody's focused on Portland USA collins come back, and but I mean Philly's GonNa get a nice little boost here when it comes to Ben Finding his way so I mean if I had to pick one. You know maybe maybe the sixers because they had their chemistry issues that are so unique, but they still have two guys that are out. There s i. mean honestly you know what I'm talking down the line, but p caliber no incredible ballplayers. Brett Brown actually talking sixers today and they. They were talking about how Brett is just one hundred percent rare to go here in these almost got at an old school spurs slash military type mindset that this is basketball deployment and he's you know fired up to go do this thing and and try to shock the world, so I like some what phillies bringing to the table? But those three at the top to me are certainly head and shoulders above yet sixers are really interesting. And and I talked to Brett last week, and was asking him, but something embiid said at Denby dot com. I'm working out six times a week to get ready. For Exams, week and I was like. To you buy. I bought these working out six times a week. I'm not sure what his workouts look like at this point. Is it like a military style like GonNa? Come in looking like Marcus. Hall or Nurkic or a Yokich at this point where he slimmed down, or is it just kind of? Shooting around for an hour a day like that remains to be seen, but. If you. Know in this is an anecdote from covid life. We have a few neighborhood ladies who liked to add nighttime. They go around and walk. You know about fifteen laps around the street. It's a nice little workout, but if Joel is doing that, does that count the same as being in beast mode? You know no, that's a good point. You've different definition than less than New York what neighborhood ladies means I'm assuming. Just throwing that out. For the. Odd But. They're just they're equipped to win a streetfight right like if these games ugly, the sixers built for ugly. They don't shoot three's well anyway, so if nobody does, screw it like we're all a level playing field, and they've got two guys and Embiid and Simmons where lockdown defenders and Josh Richardson who might be just below them in the defensive position. I think like Al. Horford has not been great this year, but the guy every postseason in Boston. He was awesome so like. On? Paper could theoretically break the right way for and you mentioned Portland to. Team that, if mccollum in little catch fire hat being stopped by those big. That the didn't have in mid March that could be a difference maker to, but we don't know what's. What? What your Collins is going to be able to give a at this point. You know the rest of the season. The first round could be interesting because. Washington. How long do they let Bradley? Beal play with no Davis Burton. That's worth watching and make a decide after three games as mail it in and I. Don't know what's going on in Brooklyn Right now. You guys that are testing positive in late June who are effectively saying I'm done, you know Jordan Spencer Dinwiddie. Blowing out durant and Kyrie aren't gonNA play. I mean the nets. Could be like a skeleton crew by the time that they're season goes on I. Don't know what you. Like Jordan and Dinwiddie effectively saying that they're done. They're out. So I definitely got my attention because the week before I did an anonymous simple talking to guys about their opinions. And what struck me. I didn't really right about this, but in those conversations. I remember I had one eastern conference GM. Tell me that he felt good about the league's timeline where okay, mid June first round test we figure out positive, and he just acted like this whole thing was going to be a well oiled machine. Where you test positive, you just go get healthy. Come back and we got you. It's time to go roll. had another GM in the West. Tell me at the time. Like unofficially in his mind, he felt like when and actually they did test positive. When one of his guys got to a positive test that he was kind of unofficially off the roster, he did not anticipate them being able to just quarantine, and then get back into your fitness, and and get the routine going again, so I didn't really know who I believed. Because the one guy was optimistic, beyond other was very pessimistic, and now the nets are making me feel. Feel like the pessimistic guy probably had a right and also the human component where these players I cannot blame them at your Spencer Dinwiddie at you're just looking at you going. Yeah like I could absolutely go crazy trying to get with my team Orlando, but I'm a little worried about the fact that I just contract corona virus, and not focused on basketball right now focused on health and want to make sure I didn't infect anybody else. I think the psychological. Psychological stuff comes into play, so that is where the entire operation to me could be in jeopardy. was that you know some of these calculations of they made were or maybe they just missed the mark of before. You know it if you have entire teams like the nets, just kind of getting out of contention, that's not good for the program, and this is more like educated speculation, but I do think there are a lot of guys that you have to wonder. Wonder where they're at mentally going into all this. Ah, they are they like they rare into go up and you said like you know of course coach like Brett Brown raring to go, but how many players are like? Let's go. It's the playoffs every year, but it gets up for these playoff games, a totally different environment and a totally different set of circumstances. I can believe that guys like the Andre Jordan and Dinwiddie knowing. They're playing on a team that. At best is going to get like fifteen games eight in the regular season. Maybe they go seven first round but I. Don't think they win like there's there's a mental aspect to this. The guys will they can. If they see an opportunity not to play I think some of them will just take it. I agree sure I still think we're probably only at like ten fifteen twenty percent of the publicly known information, regarding not only players in which ones tested positive, but the ones you're talking about where they decided to go, but they're like already one foot out mentally, and that's GonNa show itself on the court. That was something else that was in that piece I mentioned. was that the level of play? There's real concern about how bad the product might look and people feeling. Feeling like it's, it could potentially be terrible optics for the League where tanking for example is typically a front office. Ownership driven type of thing I mean for all. We know you can have players to what they decide. I'm ready to go home, and you see them not diving for loose balls, and and just not really feeling it. You know that's GonNa. Show up on the screen and I think that stuff as possible. I feel bad for Jock von a little bit. This point like? I wondered if he would have a chance. Before the pandemic of keeping that job like there are a lot of people in the front office and like him, a lot got former coaching experience respect to guys a player. I think they're I. Know there were some hoping he would win the job outright, but now that makes it. I'm not sure where they would go for. Maybe it's time Lou. Made somebody else, but. That, that's going to make it a lot more difficult for him to keep that job. percent to me. It's Brooklyn in Washington. Are Two squads that are already now? Ironically from what I was, the wizards are excited to be going so I'm not trying to indicate that they're not but but folks looking at the wizards are. They are the team that everybody says like okay. Why are there you know six games behind with eight to go and I think you know it's one thing that management and coaches are excited. Excited to go, but I'm curious to see where their players are at, and what kind of you know by, and we have on that front, but you're right about jock. If you're an interim coach trying to seal the deal, you want your horses and they don't have a right now. Yeah, yeah, it's a shame there. Op Sam always good to catch up with man hope to cross pass even for a day or two. In the old bubble if you need me, I'm going to be looking for the Irish bar in the bubble of informant. Unformed aside that my expenses will be entirely spent on an Irish bar in there like just run a tab. Let it roll. Let the good times I. Like it, I like I mean. My name is a mic, so I'm good with the Irish part. And you know as always I'll be building up to the bar with you if I see their thanks, brother. Thanks for doing this and I appreciate ACC- Actress. Support, the crossover NBA show with Chris Mannix is brought to you by Manscaping who is the best immense below the belt? Grooming Men's game offers precision engineered tools for your family jewels. 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Headed to the gym. One thing we can do work out. Individually, so we have guys coming in. I think about eight guys coming in today and two guys on the court at a time so. Our coaches rotate and doing the workouts I. Try and hop in rebound here and there and. I'll be heading there we have basically every forty five nine for about ten point five eleven forty five, I. Think the last one might be eleven forty five day. Try and just hop on the floor. Check out the guys. Stay out the way as much as I can. It's got to be the longest. These guys have been away from basketball. Right I mean. They've probably been playing at a high level since they were seven eight years old. Business I mean this is the equivalent of a player that that's been injured and You know really been taken away from from activity. you know I. Think That's the only way I can quit anything enormously. You know for me I definitely this definitely been. And could win three or four months. without even being in the gym. Which is this? In any form of basketball, just not even being in the gym, more or less organ outgoing of that nature. So tell me about the genesis of this idea to turn state farm arena into a polling place. which like it's one of those ideas? Loyd that when it I, I I I read about it. I'm like wow that. Every city should do that. The these these arenas are huge. They're fully capable of being pulled. How did this come about? Well, Oakley, every city does. Start there on no Detroit's talking about. Trying to get their practice facility raw, which is a huge facility in open space to courts. So I I think very city every NBA at least. Can get behind it. What a tremendous opportunity! We have to encourage voting and increase the number of eligible voters. In and actually make it easier accessible for them to vote in advocating experience. you know for us that the concept brought about our CEO sleeve going in You know we've been brainstorming on the number of ideas internally what we needed to do. but one of the ideas we've thought externally. is that we could do it now and really impact voting you know whether it was a voter registration campaign and getting people eligible and registered to vote. In using our staff, our coaches or players on social media platform to do so. but again that idea was part of it. Why not use our arena and it kind of came out just like that? Luckily for me I get to do a lot of media and been doing a lot of media. I just said it. Why not use arena we love. And you know I know it generated a lot of buzz, but behind the scenes are our staff, CEO, and in our. Of Hawk staff. They were already processing and making calls and. One of the call to the Jeremy Rob. Are Our county official county? Here in Fulton County and You know next thing you know i. get an email saying. Hey, there's a walk-through that's going to happen coach. COME DOWN! We need your. We need just support to get this done and. Steve Arsenio myself and three other members of our staff or the arena were meeting with. You know I think it was eighteen officials from the county. And really all logistics people that are behind the logistics. Of? Understanding Election Day in the process of absentee ballot counting, and what that looks like and register for the you know the day of you know what a site should look and feel like from a logistical standpoint. and. Without taking a moment to think about it. They were all in agreement that the arena was the best option that they had. Bill was done. Fairly similar a lot of ways. I think a lot of people have at least some level of awareness about Georgia's issues with voting. In recent years, it received national attention during the gubernatorial election in two thousand eighteen, and you know just in the last few weeks you saw problems with boating's in Fulton county where Atlanta of course is located in during a global pandemic that has killed more than one hundred thousand people that were line stretched for blocks in ninety degree. Heat out there I, mean how much of that in the stuff that's happened in Georgia last couple of years resonated with you personally. Think it is it's it's a bit embarrassing. When you live here in the state and I live. Outside of Fulton County I'm in Dekalb County. And We don't have the L- issues into capturing. My own experience was fairly easy. I want all. Songs sign that goes with the other station a walk in there there is absolutely no line saw my Guy Kevin, burke who is My, my he's always at my voting site. Since I've been here in Georgia gotten to know each other. Elbert gentleman who's a sports fanatic, recognize me into. So. This is the third time voted in Kevin's been there every single time, so just kind of shows you the comfort I have in boating. Actually Know My. Stare And then you walk out and put your sticker on on and check the media social media, and then you read about Fulton County. And the machines broken seventy, eight, hundred eight. A M and The lines are already long and backed up and it's like how is that? We're in Saint City. How is that possible? Fulton County holds. A majority of African American communities are mostly Ormat. Communities, And a lot of our lower income African American communities, or you know South Atlanta County. And so, it's unfortunate. It's embarrassing. as were trying to exercise our right to vote, which is extremely important and no-one saying who you should vote for. I'm learning who to vote for and all these. These You know so many issues and so many. Local and City of Bisham sheriffs and district attorneys, and things of that. You know this is education for me. It's not a matter who you're voting opportunity to vote though I. I took it personally and I think it's. Unfortunate that we continue to have these these issues and You know one of the things I learned was we need more volunteers? win the machine break and and there's. No one to fix them, let's get people there that we can train and educate and technicians that are capable all and then the next you know. Obviously is long lines well. Let's get a bigger facility and put people in it, so it's it's not as easy. We can handle the capacity. Of the arena idea, it's dress, the sippy, more importantly, employee's and state farm or with the Haas. You're allowed people that aren't doing a whole lot right now and. A lot of people that are very supportive of what we're doing on our organization that are being paid and would love to volunteer and help out so. Capable of a lot of young young employees that are capable of learning this and being able to to handle the days of early voting, so we're encouraged that we can provide a lot of resources to areas that are in need. During the election process wasn't open. Practice actually suggested in one of those early meetings during voting. I read. I read somewhere that suggested having open practice during the election for the Hawks to be. We would like to get in the gym and do whatever I don't care who our audience is. Not, that's not going to be happy. We would love to get our guys out there and encouraging players and are sorry. Encouraging our voters. Are Citizens, but? Now. Open practices I'm not going to. Get, it could be fun. People waiting in line to vote and you're yelling. You're yelling Kevin. Heard her to get back on defense it's. The Best of both worlds for for everyone. You listed voting in a recent interview as one of the kind of non-negotiables that has to happen as we move forward D. do you feel like there's a voting energy out there now? yes. I think. I think the minutes education are Miss Education is the misconception of. Voting is for the presidency having everyone thinks that's when you vote you. Vote for WHO President S A. As you learn in as I've learned. You know when you start talking about policing issues in these are talking about. Reform that's needed some of those things the mayor can do. When you start talking about legislative items. As I'm marched on Georgia the other two weeks ago, and we walk down to the Capitol building. You know some of those things right to the governor and you know. There's so many levels layers of who makes the decisions that are impacting our communities the our city state, and the ultimate narrow govern our country. but it's important to know you know the district attorney's and the shares and the police chiefs and no. Communication from organizations, our citizens with our mayor. In ultimately choosing the right governor to to sign off on all the local and. State. Issues than know to have a hate crime bill finally get passed in the state of Georgia. a week ago. You know that that's that's in house. That has nothing to do with our president. that's something that we have to address here in the state of Georgia and finally we did now. There's some other areas that came with that. But. You know I think that's important. Understanding that you know I think the hardest thing is I've only been here two years, so I'm just learning about Georgia. I grew up in California and voting is easy and California's different. You know you get you get. A booklet of information of all policies canned candidates. and. Things that are GONNA be. At the election. And when you go to DMV, you get dry. D and Check that box in says. Oh, you like registered vote, yes, of course. So you, know you learn and when you're invested in the community, you learn a little bit more. Learn a little bit more about I can't believe it will. He grabbed wild. I can't believe there's no duty to intervene. Police officers in the city of Atlanta. He start realizing those areas of concern. That's why voting becomes important for the local officials well. Before, let you go. The the NBA is officially going back to Orlando we we've heard several players expressed concern about the social justice movement getting lost in the shuffle and NBA Return Kyrie Irving lead that call the players I saw. Fred Van Bleed said this week that he had some significant issues. With the League is taking some action to work with players on this from you know having black lives, matter on the floor or allowing players to possibly. Where social just messages on their jerseys, what do you think is is going back in the midst of all this the right decision? And and how do you feel about the way the League as addressed some of these issues that players are brought up. Or, as an entirety. Going back is absolutely right decision. To resume basketball is news. great for the soul, you know we all appreciates word in one sport. And I think the league. Has Done as much as they can to try and provide extremely safe environment and atmosphere. On the flipside. Like those that struggling and aren't gonNA. Go in have personal choice and beliefs in in what they feel is best for them right now. I, think is absolutely right incident in well, you know. I'm a father of almost two zero. And You know I think it's tough to just say hey. We're going to remove you from your family for this amount of time and. they have to deal with a pandemic on their own. And you go play about you know I I get it. That's not an easy decision to make just because you play basketball, or we want basketball, or because the atmosphere is safe. you still have I still have duty. Most of the players still have duties and coaches have duties as head of the household in protecting their family, so although Orlando may be extremely safe you know is home. Say and I think a lot of or You know making so I agree on both sides. It's a personal choice. It's not an easy choice. It's not an easy time of what we're all going through right now. We don't know what next month or the month after that's GonNa look like and so you have to just try and make the best decision for you yourself and your family at this time. But I don't think anyone denies the need for basketball or the want for basketball at this time. from platform standpoint. I think our access our reach. From the social media. Television condensation. Our ability to connect one know the racial injustice. Period that we're now understanding with more and being educated on educating others and talking about. It's the greatest way we can keep the conversation alive so that we can continue to see some changes that are being made in our country. but the ones that are going to take a lot of time. You know it's an opportunity for us to keep putting the pressure on that and it's still talking. The many things that are needed to address regionally quality had no question. But you're headed to practice right now. Have you heard any retirement remorse for Vince Carter yet? The fact that he action said he's done is a big step. I don't think I don't think that's is ready to stop. Think. He knows it's time but No, you know I. Think there are right now. Is The golf course? No, he and a couple of guys are going to play today. Actually one of my coaches and on players like going. We've been today. you be rotates everybody I haven't made the invite yet, but he knows I'm not a golfer, so that's the other part. No I'm happy for I. Think it's a big. It's A. Great decision great time. You know why try and come back. You know but I think the decision was made appropriately, and it was a made with a lot of thought. And it was May Knows a difficult decision to walk away from something you've done is entire and done it more than anyone at the NBA level. We were very honored to have him. Our team last year I. Think the only thing that Vince wishes he got. was that last trip to Toronto when I when I talked to him just after the pandemic it I think he wanted he was at peace with pretty much everything else, but that last visit Toronto I think would have been special for him. I tell you what I was looking forward to honestly. Thought. This would be one of those great moments in sports history being with Vince, in Toronto. Really at the end of the year. You know not forget. Stiffen and if it was Benson's last game in Toronto in January. But to do it in April to be a part of it in April And To note of you know a game or two left in the season and Benson's GonNa Finish his career in Toronto. Man I thought that was I was really looking forward to that moment that video we went through earlier in May gave him. They gave him a great amount of love and respect. And you know knowing that, wasn't it? At the time so I was. You know I i. Can still it just goosebumps of what that would have felt like being in Toronto? Bents and you know was an emotional Couple years of events, leaving and. In the fall out, and then Kinda the healing that they've had and he's had. but at the end of the day sports and he really. Drove basketball in the city of. Toronto in the country. Canada for generation of players, and you see a lot of those guys that. Look up to Vince that come from Canada and are in the NBA. So I. That's the you know. We gotta get them their next year maybe when we fly out to Toronto and play and You know we can bring them Kinda as honorary member in let them do their their due diligence of respect and honor that he deserves. Man. who was that was Russia. Data would be a powerful moment. If you did that next year, it was a passionate fan base, and they're forgiving of Vince Carter. Forgiving but kind of moving on from everything is. Certainly well-made for a great moment Lloyd I appreciate your time. Man, what you guys are doing down there with the with the arenas is such a great thing to be done, and you're doing a lot of. Great Work Individually. Thank you for opera joining me to talk about this. Problem.

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BRK/ATL Trade; Warriors in Trouble? Darius Garland Scouting Report

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1:01:11 hr | 1 year ago

BRK/ATL Trade; Warriors in Trouble? Darius Garland Scouting Report

"Aright trade season is here. Although very interesting that this Brooklyn, Atlanta trade actually isn't legal to be totally completed until July six, but the fact that it's announced now and is completed now, I think is very important with the idea that moves are going to be made around the draft that Awada of free agency. Machinations could come into focus. Let's talk first just about the overall value of this trade for bowl teams at and what it does. And then we can talk, maybe about the larger implications for Brooklyn in particular. What are the parameters Mr. Moore, the Brooklyn nets trade? The seventeenth pick in the twenty nineteen draft and a lottery protected. Twenty twenty I basically the way that works is it's lottery projected twenty twenty twenty one and twenty two and then it converts into two second, renders cla and the Atlanta Hawks and Taurean prince and a twenty twenty one second round pick which based on my look on real GM's database, the only one they have. For that year's their own. It could be protected. We don't know all those details, but let's, let's say it's their straight second pick, at least for now. Yeah. So Alan crab forgot to mention grab that. Oh, did you. Yeah. Alan crab is a big part of this. Yeah. Five million just. Yeah. Yes. So he makes eighteen point five million. So the hawks are getting a first rounder for the two first rounders for some combination of taking crab and giving up prince prince course was their first runner in twenty sixty number twelve overall. And he's got one year left on his deal at three point five billion crab, making the eighteen point five million. This now will leave the nets with the subtraction of the hold for the draft pick while they still Denver's twenty nineteen first at twenty seventh but that takes up a allows money. So with the twenty one million dollar capital. D ngelo Russell still on the books. Forty five point seven million dollars in space projected for the nets were they to remove Russel's cap hold, and thereby allowed to become an unrestricted free agent sixty five point nine million dollars in space and with nine guarantees for Hsieh's, Napier and Tribune Graham could get that. To sixty seven million and it all likelihood that would be enough for two players in the seven to nine year max experience level, which starts at thirty two point seven million projected may change a little bit based on where the cap is. But if they wanted to get more space than that say to bringing K D Inc, kyri than they probably have to find a way to move on from Joe Harris. But I think most people would consider that to be a value contract that they could move it easily or Spencer, Dinwiddie, yet, one of those two guys if they wanted to get enough for the max for both Kyrie and kitty D at the ten plus years experience level is projected start at thirty eight point two million let so I, I think it worthwhile place to start with us. It was something I talked about earlier in, in my piece for the ethnic is the opportunity cost here in terms of the other options that Marx had in terms of offloading money so we can talk about the, the price that he gave up. But so to me, the crux of this happening a month before free agency starts is that they could have theoretically stretch. Crab's contract over three years, that would have moved twelve point three million of that eighteen point five million onto future seasons. Now there's an undesirable minute that because you're still paying him the money and it still on your books. Those are the only truly immovable obligations that team can create for themselves other than John wall's contract. And, and so that that's me is significant because if they could have cleared, not the whole thing, but two thirds of it without having to give up any assets whatsoever. Then my instinct is Sean marks thinks there's a reason that end, of course, the, the added functionality, if you can do that after you find out what happens that I think there's a plan here that involves, you know, pretty not an executive action, but something along those lines and roads reporting in his wrap up that interests between the team in Kyrie Irving is very real, whether that means he's going there for sure. Not tough to say, but that's about as strong as you'll hear whoa, JR. Say something at this time of year before something has happened. And I think part of the reason why you might say that. That's paid a little bit of a premium to do this a little, they did get a player who can play and potentially be part of their group in joy and prince and give them some help on the wing though. Prince's defenses developing at best, the at this moment, but he has physical tools but the reason you do this now is because Atlanta was the only team that obviously was in bad salary acquisition mode coming into the fact Shamsa had reported that a couple of days ago. So to be able to do this to signal to kyri that they're gonna have more space to bring someone in is big, and maybe even to signal to the Celtics that Correa's coming here and you're not gonna wanna trade. Brandy Davis if Kerry is leaving because then you won't be able to keep Anthony Davis on the Celtics would feel that way. But a lot of this seems about the time. That's what's so curious about this to happen on June six fourteen days before the draft is one of the earliest times, you'll see one of these traits that can't. Actually be executed. It's an actual month until the straight it can be executed. So the first one of these that I can recall happening this early, I think it's all due to the foresight with free agency. How will do you think what do you think of this just in terms of the straight up asset play getting off eighteen point five million in that totally dead money, you know, crab is probably maybe a five million dollar year to have played for coming officer jury, and with that knee issued that he showed with all yours basically a loss year for me to doubt play in the playoffs getting back prints who's of the there's some teams that still like him. And it seems like the hawks had Kennesaw. I'm schlink. He was not a Schlink draft pick. How did they do it in terms of just bouncing the scales here for the steel, I think it was on the heavy side? But the point you brought up about timing. I think is very stupid because on the heavy side, meaning they gave up meaning they gave up a lot. I I'm low run Taurean Princeton than many L, even though he can shoot. I think that his defensive limitations are a problem for a team that has higher. We'll see what the what the network like joy fifteenth. And whether where chore in prince fits in on that, if he's even still on the team directly could get moved again. But and prince's one year away from being properly paid or close to it as a restricted free agent. So it's not like you're getting as much of the rookie scale contract in this stance. So I don't have a firm grasp of, how valuable the seventeenth pick is this year compared to the average, but the seventeen gives you the opportunity to get somebody who can be a part of your rotation moving forward. Maybe not a starter depending on the year and then they get a future pick. And then we don't know the exact details of the, of the hawks pick that's going back the other way. But if it's twenty twenty one by that point, the hawks vita figured some of this out. And so I'm sure God that could be a really good second. It might be. But it also could be that the hawks are a playoff team or close to it by that. And so I've always drawn the dividing line at forty five, and so if their playoff team than you're probably around that range, and it's interesting, I drew comparison between this and the trade that the Cavs in bucks did mid season this year. And so in that. Trade. The Cavs received a top ten protected twenty twenty two shrunk pick from the bucks and two seconds. And I believe that could have been pushed for could could be pushed further all the other and two seconds. But they also give Joe chill. George hill is less valuable than Taurean prince for a few reasons, but this to me is a significantly stronger returned the net because the first round pick and the and the future first round pick. And I mean based on what we're seeing from the nets, I think this is a pick that will convey with the young players they have, and something good's gonna come to that caps, faced at least something that's gonna help them win this year in the rest of the east below them is not exactly. Have a a rocket strapped to their back other than maybe the Knicks SU who will get to. This is not a good sign New York Knicks that this move was made, but it does seem like a pretty steep price. But much of that depends on prince's value and we talked to in the mock off season about maybe Philly, giving up one of their own I to get Taurean prince the think his value. Hugh. He's got one more year on the rookie scale than will be essential. Can he become a playoff level? Starting small Ford, if he can giving up the first for him. It is a very good deal, Atlanta, probably doesn't think that of him and, like you, I maintains the same problems about his defense about his, his finishing the shooting priority as exceeded expectations. But the rest of his game, it has been below you'd say from where when he was drafted number twelve in two thousand sixteen though many when you draft that high many considered it a reach at that time. So the one first round pick number seventeen to get off of crab yet think they're paying a premium to get it done now. It's also just a hard and fast under seventeen it's not Denver giving up their pick. And then it turns out to be twenty-seven or Toronto, giving up their pick. And then it turns out to be twenty nine those the nets have have been on the receiving end of some of those first to take on salary and passers with the, the Farid trade in the dry Carol. Rate, but then ended up getting burned because those scenes were a better, you don't have really a huge chance of that becoming as much of an issue here. Maybe the twenty twenty pick if they're really awesome. This year could be pretty back. But, you know, it's hard to see them putting together a team to me that's going to be like a win more than, like, low fifties, even if they get some of the guys that they want, or if they get Kyrie either resigned rustler fill out that space was someone who's not a superstar while. See, I think they paid a little bit of premium but not a craze when they do get that twenty twenty one Atlanta's second back. I think the reason that they agreed on that was that it had a little bit lower value than a second. That's closer in time with the idea that Atlanta themselves will be turning the corner as the nets have around that time in twenty twenty one. And that's part of the reason for making that part of the trade. So, yeah. To me, the value really depends. More on what you think of prince of you think prince is worth a lot of protected twenty twenty another drought. That's supposed to be amazing, by the way, first round pick Denic netted Viner, if you think, prince's not really. That good. Then maybe not another thing considered too, is if the nets think that prints can be a starter. They didn't really have a great solution at the three on their other. Carol is a free agent. Joe Harris may be more comfortable as a to run a house Jefferson who was never three anyway, is a free ginger Dudley is a free agent. They also didn't really have like a great stretch four option. If they wanna try prints, and that's what I think this is going. I would be I think they, they kind of put forwards in a bin, and then he just kinda use them use them as well. You know, kirks and with, with prince and if prints can't be three defensively, beacon, probably be a, a makeshift for independent also that gives them flexibility in terms of free agency depending on what they use. Maybe they get Jimmy Butler and then prince becomes more before could see that happening. Also, they could restructure numerous elements of this roster between now and even the start of next season much less moving forward and prince being extension eligible situation where you can only agree to a team friendly thing or they can even trade him. Down, then whether it's to clear, clear that extra three million off their books or just because they get something better. And I think that's, that's another point that I wanted to talk about here, which I think is fascinating is making the train month early in terms of the assets that it took to get off of crabs contract and see radically those assets could have gone toward something else. And what I mean by that is crab was, you know, he's, he's bad salary, but he's also salary filler in some conceptions of trades. If they're not gonna use the cap space to sign guys. And so this basically commits them to cap space. So theoretically, let's an entity Davis trip like they could've done. An imbalanced deal used crabs villain that deal. Yeah, he's not great money, but it's not like a huge negative and then you have the seventeenth pick to include in that trait or Davis's, the more extreme example, but you could go with any number of, of other veterans. And so that's another reason for me, why this is a clear signal that marks wanted cap space specifically. I think having another piece in prince who has started in the week before can maybe fill that spot for you have only cost three point five billion. For a team that has these cap space aspirations to be able to have another cheap piece. So I think at a minimum is a rotation player at three point five million. Now, if you sign curry you to be like, oh, we got no threes in the rest. We gotta use the rest of our space to overpay for three. Maybe he saves you from doing that. What do you think this means for the future of de ngelo Russell the numbers on this kind of the thought compelling did a good job of this? In his piece talking about how it looks a lot more like Hayworth clearing to max, lots rather than were clearing a little bit of extra room for a max lot, plus the Angelo Russell. That's just the way this works out, and they could make the moves to, to change that math around a little bit. And there is the possibility that they could play Cairo. Let's say let's say he's signing there's no guarantees that with, with Russell, but this opens up possibilities. And so if I were a team that was interested in Russell, I would be more optimistic that he will hit the open market as an unrestricted free agent than it would have been this morning. Yeah, it does seem that way. Because it really. Oh, thank God because they already could have gotten to the max base for one guy. So doing this to open up another twelve million and we're gonna keep Brussels capital on the books really seems to make very little sense that I also think that Russell and Kyrie make almost no sense together. Maybe you just as we talked about on yesterday's show. Try to keep brussel Ron is to maintain the asset, and then moving layer also interesting that wage says, in their oh, they could still retain the ngelo Russell on a max or near max deal, but he very much seems like a backup plan, and of course, based on the rules. They can give him a restricted free agent qualifying offer. And then if guys wanna come there, they can unilaterally revoke that at least through the first couple of weeks of the free agent period. Yeah. And Russell's knock. He's not gonna sign his qualifying offer anyway. So they don't have to worry about that part of it either. The do not end. 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So the hawks taking advantage, I think of being the only team in asset acquisition mode right now or toxic. Contract Ecuadoran for asset mode with crabs eighteen point five million on the books, plus another two point nine million from that number seventeen pick that reduces their available space from forty one million down to about twenty six point four million but still more than enough to maybe even get another first round pick. They now own the numbers eight ten and seventeen picture. From luca. Danni traded they have the Mavs pick this year as well. And now Brooklyn's not considered a great draft. Although perhaps once you get past the top three or four when there's not a huge delineation between maybe four three eight out if I buy that. But maybe some would that it's at the end of the world to be a little bit lower. They're also perhaps could be thought that they could move up higher. I'm not sure especially because Darius garland won't be an option for them with trae young already really you're talking about trying to get into the top three. Probably, I think to make it worth it to get really RJ. Barrett, probably be the target. They're not gonna get dying. With that. So that would be the thought to try and go get RJ Barron. I don't know how much I would approve that strategy. Maybe you just make these picks and it was thought okay. We can't have these Sony Pictures coming in. They had three first round pick last year. It seemed fine with Spelman hurt her entry young and get yourself some more bites at the apple. I think that's really what these draft picks about. And you know, even if only one third draft picks hit the same Hanky approach now you've got more chances. And so of will hopefully workout in the long-term to pretty straightforward business etiquette pretty good piece of business, also they seem to have soured up prince. He was even starting for them by the end of the year. M they're able to get something for him. You know, it looks like it's probably if you wanna say they got a first round pick for, I think that's probably fair given I don't think two first round picks for crab, especially given his pretty decent. I pick number seventeen is really fair to look as they got a first round pick for Princeton, maybe this'll turn out to been doing a good job of selling high at him before he was extension eligible before. They would add a payment restricted free agency next year. So I pretty solid. He's business here by the hawk. I agree. And it's a an under appreciated decision flexing point for teams that if you don't think a guy is going to be worth his next contract best time to trade him is before that fourth season because first of all that new team can extend that player if they think highly enough of them to do so. And because you don't get into the awkward dance of an in-season move or letting losing them for nothing. And so for prince, if they didn't feel he was going to be worth the next contract, and there's an analog here possibly for not as extreme, but for Tobias Harris, and so in vice Harris situation that deal looks far better for the clippers if you think about if you think that they were not willing to give Tobias Harris, what it looks like his next contract is going to be. And so for for prince it's you know if you get that asset for him and he has the defensive tools, measured at the going back to the combine. But unfortunately, guys, don't really get remeasured. He was six eight with a six eleven I think six and a half wingspan at that point. But he went to Baylor and they played a bunch of own and prince already turned twenty five not that age is destiny or anything like that. But you would hope that we would have seen more defensive development by this point, and any of the been on a realty in the last two years. And while Kenny Atkinson, and prince never sing debt because Atkinson took the nets job. A few months before prince was drafted lots of connections within the hawks being tag consented, just left at this isn't coaching staff, and all that kind of stuff and with print something that's concerning about his offensive development is that this isn't a surprise. He is shooting more threes, and making more of them. He's been at thirty nine percent each of the last two years, but those threes came at the expense of getting to the basket. So he went from thirty six percent of shots being at the rim. His rookie year to seventeen percent this year and a corresponding drop in free throw attempt rate. I kind of group those as aggression together, you know, so you're not getting the line and he's not getting out, so it's not a trade off and is more efficient on those shots, which is good. But generally trading restricted area shots. Threes is it's not great math. Because restricted area shots are the most valuable in the game and not getting to the line all the other benefits there. And with prince he always kind of wanted those guys happens were he kind of looks like a better defender when you see because he's long and he and but he doesn't he doesn't really have the instincts when I've watched him play. And some of that could be developed with the nets and developed with toes and play physically he doesn't doesn't use his size. That's a good way of putting it. And so that's, that's a consideration for me with the Hudson. Another thing they think is underappreciated and I love that happens to be these teams because it's a great way to bring it up is damore Carol. And what I mean by that is damore. Carol was traded in a money, Centric deal two years ago, but ended up providing real value for the nets he helped him out. He was a part of the rotation and even though he was overpaid still still helped him out. I could see how in crab being a similar player for the hawks this year shooting guard, even though they have Kevin herder at, you know, looking like the long-term at least a long-term answer for now at that position hard spot to fill, especially backup minutes and cry. Is looking to rehabilitate value assures? It'd be a free agent next year. So he has time to so he had motivation to put his best foot forward into possibility if things go, well, that he could agreed with buyout leave some money on the table. Try to go to a contender later in the year. The hawks aren't in the playoff picture, which saves them even more money than you're not getting you took on eighteen and a half million. But maybe get some of that back later on. So I could see it working out, reasonably well for them from that perspective as well, Inc. The hawks fans should also be happy that they have an exciting young team, but that they're not trying to short circuit it now by making signings infrequency that might try to excel the time line a little bit. I mean, they still don't really have anything in the long term at the three on the roster. And whether you wanna call Collins a four or five, and they still you'd if you on say that three of those lots between young herder and cons are filled which I'm not saying one hundred percent even there. They still need a lot more on this team. And, and these draft picks will help them build their. Also still got some huge salaries on their books between crab Kent bays bore miles Plumlee, so you might that might open things up socialist crab, as more of one of those guys place while this year to the mid season trade for a longer term deal that goes past summer twenty to start that many of those out there, of course, because so much bad money was used up in twenty sixteen that there wasn't that much money left to buy to spend on bad contracts, the following years. But if there's a team that wants to cut salary for the summer twenty twenty they'll be in a position to help them do that as William, but still a long way to go in this rebuild for the hawks, but I think this is still a positive step. He's, I don't know that prince was going to necessarily move the Neal of them. We'll see if he develops into a quality starter in, in Atlanta than this, or I'm sorry in Brooklyn than the spy was mistake. One team that cannot be happy right now is the New York Knicks because remember when they traded porzingas and yet they got nice hall for us. But the whole thought was, oh, they must. Know something about this summer. Somebody is going to becoming and since then Kemba Walker the flex your wife's reporting that Charlotte is number one priority. He makes all NBA so Charlotte, if they wanna pony up a we'll have a significant financial advantage for Kemba carrier Ving now known was talking about him going to the nets back then. Now, the nets are making this deal for Kyrie and hopefully to, to get another max sky themselves, the basketball and management situation in Brooklyn is far superior to New York. And now the money aspect is pretty similar in terms of being able to afford to max guys. And so, whether it's the Knicks now, potentially getting nobody, or one of the two guys, the next one to get now going to the nets obviously, the clippers are sitting out there with double maximum as well. And hey, these all these guys they want could always just go back to their teams that already on right now with full bird rights as well. So bring in another suitor that has the same money as the next but has. Very solid. NBA players sitting rod whoever might wanna go there and a much better organisation. Yeah, they're not the nets are not the Knicks in terms of their cachet, but you're still in New York. It's not great for the Knicks. If the one because they're more suitors, but also because you much as we thought about the Knicks the nets, like, well, they gotta feel pretty strongly that something is going to happen here to have done this, that the Knicks. I thought there move with porzingas was more defensible, just as a move in and of itself, regardless of the cat's face aspirations, this move by the nets really, to me isn't, you know, this is all about the cat. So it's really is no other justification for, especially when the stretch provision was another possibility there. And yeah, I cracked I cracked up when you were giving that description, because it reminded me a lot of what we said about the clippers and Lakers when the clippers made digitize hair straight that they, they have a different case to be made. They don't have the prestige of the higher of the team in the in. That case we've seen in even greater disparity between the furniture like the off basketball court stuff since that trait happened, then we've in new then and the Nixon nets another huge disparity. So how much do they care about playing in Madison Square Garden having the Knicks as their team as opposed to being the nets, same thing with the clippers and Lakers. It's a big question. And what's so striking now even more so than it was a couple of days ago? Much less couple months ago is that there are so many more slots even just in the major markets than there are players worthy of. And as you said, any number of them could just choose to go back to their current teams. And that would, whether it's on a short-term be like the rumor thing with Kawai or on a long term deal. There might be far fewer players than slots. And so how do they how do those teams react? It's not like they can ruling that money over to twenty twenty does the Madonna favors. And maybe we start to see some players under contract at traded. But the sacrifices that these teams have made in certain circumstances in this being one of them for the upper tune. Sign. These guys is remarkable. The only thing that I don't like about this trade from the nets perspective is lightning. The coffers little bit for a potentially Detroit, right? Yeah. That's a big criticism of for me that the idea that yes, it's true that there was, nobody that could make that trade. Now, my firm belief is that gravity in the NBA is that if you need to make a move that the opportunity will present itself. And we know teams are going to strike out on free agents there will be cap space, so it's awkward to do. Let's say with the warriors did back in twenty thirteen when hundred dollar was afraid. They didn't have the space to sign him. But we know this summer because so many teams could space that they're arguing teams on July six July seven, that's a crap. This is the best thing we can do. All right. Let's move on to the other big news today showed up at oracle arena for media day and two seconds, after I got there, Steve Kerr doubts that Kevin Durant will not play in game four we recorded last night with the assumption that he would play everything about the warriors behavior seem to inning. Get it holding Klay Thompson out curse saying before yesterday's game that Katy would try to scrimmage three on three or five on five at the practice facility later on in the day. And then that was nixed the training staff supposedly took her. No. He actually has another hurdle ES to get past. He did not do that today. And juror says that he misspoke that Katy would be doing this yesterday. And so he's complaining game four. And this now means that the warriors season is. I mean it was always going to be on the line in game four because even if Gedi were back winning the three in a row from game five onward would have been difficult. But at least maybe they could have gotten the game under his belt so that he could have performed at NBA finals, the last three games that's now not going to happen. And so it depletes warriors team, Kvant looney might be able to play again at some point in the finals because he's getting a second opinion. But this is dire. Dire straits it for Golden State, and we'll see what kind of shape clay is in coming back. And now. We're at the point where when you consider both his health and the distinct possibility that this series could end early that K D made out, play in this series, I think it's probably more likely than not between those things that he doesn't ever play in the series. And that we may even have seen Katie in warriors uniform for the last time in that game five in Houston. It is a distinct possibility and it does this puts a lot on the warriors in game four not only because they have to play it without Chem Durant. But because this push back the time line for each step of it like he won't come back a hundred percent. You know it's not like he's clearly are game five, and he's good. So do, do you know, having another step in that process? So my expectations of how much he can play and how well he can play in game. Five game six and game seven or altered on this and even even if the warriors win game four then they're tied without homecourt advantage against the team that has played well over all in this series and we'll see how game for changes are opinion of that. So, yeah, this is a lot a lot for them to take on. And it does sound likely Thompsons going. To play that, that, that he'll be back and we'll see what happens with looney moving forward. But yeah, it's, it's it's a lot. And with the current structure of the of the words, rosters something, Kevin pelton. I talked about on real Jayme radio, which we recorded earlier on Thursday, that before the news was was made official that we're getting close to that point, where maybe they could start to play Draymond at center a little bit and into some of those ofensive lineups that could put the raptors in difficulty. And instead now that gets pushed back at least one game impossibly for and if looney can come back I feel better about their chances cousins awful performance in game three I think is a big blow to what you can expect from this team going forward to as well. He was so keyed, what they did it in game two end. Maybe you could expect one more game out of him where he's good in this series. But he's so vault that when he's not playing well, he's just gonna kill you which is a big issue for Golden State, and they kind of have to keep them running out there and see whether what kind of day he's having and brass by then it's already. Late. If you're even if you're playing eighteen minutes or whatever. So this series now is looking a lot more like just you traditionally think, oh, yeah. The team with homecourt advantage is up to one and we usually say, well, if you're the road team in you expect to win the series unique to be up three one after four games. And that's obviously not a possibility for the word. So even if they can scrape together a victory in game four if there's no Katie coming back. They are looking like underdogs in the series. That's not to say that they can't win it. But its aunt, especially when you consider the load that Steph create Carrie, an perhaps exhaustion could be become an issue for him as early as tomorrow with only one day, often played basically, the whole second half at maybe the biggest effort of his career ever in a single game at least in regulation, you'd have to say that this news makes the warriors substantial underdogs in the series at this point in time. And obviously if Toronto win Surat it's over in all likelihood, I, I wouldn't. Totally rule out a warriors seem if Katie comes back because they have so much talent. But I mean it's, it's very difficult. And the else there should we hit a couple more of these little news IRS now? I think you've got to that pretty well. We can do a little bit of gotten some news on the deteriorate say squad that will be in training camp for further Peba World Cup which takes place in September of twenty nineteen in China. Yeah. I might be there. We'll see if they give me a credential or not. But yeah, I don't think we need to go through the whole team. But I think it's, it's more noteworthy at this point who's not on the team. I mean, really you're only top ten players in the NBA who are on the list right now are Dame, Lillard, James harden, and AD. So, and then, you know, so other role guys there's some looks like some decent balanced the roster. But this is not gonna be like an overwhelming a in generally, you know, with these big stars, they always some possibility that they could end up dropping out. You know, USA mask ball must be getting desperate when you've got to. To Adidas guys out of the three headlining and going to China, which is a big market, that's somewhat tongue in cheek though, many have complained about Nike's oversized influence over USA basketball, the last fifteen years or so. But so we could talk much more about the team when it starts coming together after summer league hopefully do a lotta World Cup coverage. But this is not looking like one of those just juggernaut USA teams and Butte. Forget, how close they came to winning it in twenty sixteen. When they really only had at that point one top seven player in the NBA, which was K D. And those are the guys who really make the enormous difference concerned that the USA doesn't have a chemistry advantage over the allotted these teams they gotta make it up by just blowing out of the water until it. And yeah, if you're talking about an NBA game. Sure if you put all these guys on team, Linda practice and stuff to kill Australia, France or who looked like the two biggest contenders. Serbia's always going to be up there, too. So I'm this is not a. Great sign you thought maybe with three years off and the lure of China that some of the bigger guys might be in there. But it's looking like this is the reports of what the team is going to be, so no curry Nola, brawn. No Klay Thompson. No Paul George Nokia. Why? So that's a those, those are the type of guys who obviously give the USA the biggest fans, I know nobody cares about this. I've USA basketball still. But one thing that I actually still root for a fan. So I had to get a little worked up about it. And then have you noticed the Washington Wizards still avid, general manager, and they haven't even interviewed anyone in like over a month? It's bizarre. And he worked two weeks from the draft now. Yes. So and Fred Katz wrote his second piece about this at once they 'cause he made the point. Once they got rejected by Tim Kelly, which came as a great shock to the organization that okay that good a circle back with one of these other candidates that the interviewed and hired him they could have been fine, but they haven't really done that. They've done a few interviews working under. Tommy Sheppard, who's the interim GM Apu was there in the Grunfeld administration, talk now is that they are going to attempt to lure messiah jury to Washington, it certainly seems like that is a rather unlikely possibility with, you know, maybe if co I leaves and Washington, just the, you know, offers a fifty million dollars a year something, but MLS's certainly has ponied up for g before remember they poached him for from the nuggets to begin with by paying a lot more than he's got a promotion, president basketball operations and appears to be one of the higher pay GM's league. So I don't know if Washington is going to beat the maybe the Fred speculated that perhaps the proximity to Washington and Barack Obama could help somehow with the some of juries aspirations for helping with the basketball in Africa and stuff that seems a rather attenuated at this point in time, when you consider the basketball situation that I don't think the wizards are necessarily gonna. Outbid, the raptors either it'd beyond that, I think that the wizards it's not this tantalizing situation where they have to have a ton of draft picks and cap flexibility. And so you get the chance to, to remake team whereas the raptors are all tied up and not that interesting. No, I meet their John Wallis, one of the worst contracts in the entire MBA debts complicated situation. With Bradley Beal, they already traded out a porter they have yummies crappy money on their books. So the, the appeal for a general manager would be more about money and jobs acuity, considering the last person was terrible at his job for a tech before he got fired. So, but I don't think you jury has to worry about that, so it would be shocking for me, if he took that job, it's not impossible because just like players and free agency gerrymanders human beings. They can prioritize whatever they want. I it just the, the tea leaves that we can see just don't don't line your little harsh on Grenfell. We talked about that before the there were he definitely. It's really bad stretches. But there also were you. Still kind of understand why when Leonsis came in he was just beginning, what was one of his better stretches, and so you could see why maybe lasted so long for Grunfeld visit seen like they're on kind of a steady upswing, basically, from twenty ten to twenty seventeen and then obviously, the, the step back the last couple of years, and the wizards had the number nine pick, and also Bradley Beal two years, left on his contract did not make ambi- eight this year when he would have been eligible for the player veteran extension. But it might make the most sensitive, and it might make the most sense to trade him fourteen days, for now, the NBA draft, and they're not going to have anybody who has the equity in place. It by then, even obviously, if they were to lure Jiri, it would be really after the free agent period is completed, there'd be no way even to get an answer from him. You if the raptors within five and you're able to meet with them within the next week. There's no as in place in time for free agency. And obviously, you know to be able to done the work that, that. Requires it looks like Tommy Sheppard almost certainly is going to be running things for the whiz during this very important summer for them. Rich little Darius garland after this ad, thanks daddy's. Just message to me silently that I should do that his correct about that. I get so passionate about basketball since I forget that we need to pay the bills around here. And if you've had a night that you are feeling a bit forgetful, about blowfish is the only hangover product, the formulation, that's recognized by the FDA as effective and safe. It's called blowfish because they tested. And that's the only name that hung over people could remember you have to plan ahead. 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He is nineteen right now and turns twenty in late January of next year. So this will technically be is age twenty season on basketball reference. But he'll be a very young twenty for the way that they count. And what shapes the kind of the prison for Garlan is that he has this resume was three time Mr. Vaz for Tennessee, but didn't really do much of the team USA stuff. His dad Winston garland played seven seasons. In the NBA. Well, I didn't do much of the team you mean in the USA program. I don't know that he's played in the terms, he was on the in the Nike hoop summit. Right. Right. So that's where those measurements come for threes, been he's been a part of the process. But yeah, but we, we don't have we don't have the log of stuff like we did for Michael porter jR, who lost most of his college for his freshman year Judah, that's getting to see him playing at some kind of a high level. And, and that's the big stat garland is five 'cause he played only five games for Vanderbilt. Only one of those against high major competition, which was USC, right? And that makes it so we talked, we did job Mirant about Moran went to Murray state, and so the competition that he played well, there's scarlet was in the SEC, but he didn't play SEC teams because it was liberty and those type of teams as opposed to being their, their conference, schedule because of when garland got hurt with the miscarriage ary the good news is that he's expected to make a full recovery. So it's it now. Not an injury where you're freaked out about the long term impacts. But we still lost a lot of evaluation time. A couple other nuggets that I thought were interesting with him. He was the first five star prospect ever to sign with university and a big part of that was that presumably that he had this big connection with Bryce, drew who many were member for his college exploits at appraiser, but he also was the coach there and Jerry scarlet attended Bryce, drew valpo camps back when he was in third grade. And that connection stayed with them enough that, that was part of the reason he committed Vanderbilt after Bryce drew change schools during that intervening years, and you might be saying, well, how's this guy who played five games being mocked as over four overall pick? And perhaps that says more about some of the players that we haven't gotten to yet, having disappointing seasons because it's hard to say based on the available film where you know you had some flashes obviously, but just not enough of, of sampled a really feeling credibly high on him. You know, this isn't a case of Kyrie Irving in twenty eleven where you know. He played the eleven games and looked amazing during that time and was scoring. Well when he came back from the injury at the end of the season, the NCAA tournament, he really just did not have a the resume. I think the biggest pause that get that, that gives me for him is just figuring out how good of a shooter disguised really is. Certainly it can look extremely good for him. At time, he's got a quick release versatility going either direction off the dribble can take those deep three pointers that have become all the rage can really bend a defense to its breaking point out a pick and roll. He's capable of coming off screens as well. He has a background is more of an off ball guy early in his career. But like with trae young any is very good for sugar about eighty five percent free throw shooter over the course career as reported by NBA draft dot net. How real is that shooting? The gonna be jacking up shot. He's gonna shoot thirty two percent is he gonna be thirty six percent. Is he going to be thirty nine percent on the shots? You never know that. That we didn't know that with trae young either. But we had an entire season of injecting up ten threes game to figure that out with garland, much less the case. So that to me is the number one question with him is is that going to develop it if that becomes a real strength for him while he does have a lot of holes in his game? Elsewhere. I think he showed enough flashes in the rest of his game. Took include that he's probably gonna be really good if that shooting holds up. But once again, I mean, you just don't have a great understanding of that, but certainly given what he's shown there and his handle, which will talk more about developing passing vision, some pretty good quickness, the upside with him does exist. Yeah. I think it does as well. And I it was remarkable that when I pulled him up on synergy, and they, they split it by possessions. And there were only ninety one possessions, plus assist to that's really, you know, something where he's involved in, in the primary action and is usually involved in conclude. Of the play either assist turnover shot something like that. And there were only ninety one of those, so I just usually do preliminary, like ten minutes or so. Nope. My preliminary thing is going to be watching all of those, I watch all of his offensive and defensive positions. And then watch the game against us e and sure feels good to be able to watch like all of the college film on, on a player, basically. But you do realize how thin that was like, you know, just the variety of circumstances that you could get into. I mean that's why Mike Schmitz video was able to have some of the Jordan brand stuff in the McDonald's practices, and like even that you're like, oh, look, oh, that's something that he didn't have the opportunity to do in his four plus a little bit games, especially some of the spot of shooting stuff in particular, fifty three percent of his possessions in those games came out of the pick and roll, and likely that showed some flashes there the ability of you go under on him to bang that three pointer and shoot it from way out shows some pretty nice quickness as well. Rea- more of a horizontal athlete than. A vertical athlete at day, but the ability to split off the pick and roll, I would describe his handle as creative, but not that tight right now once again is showing some flashes but not put together on every possession. I think that he and this is true. A lot of areas of his game in the pick and roll his passing. He misses passes to be sure. But I think he has at least an intellectual understanding of what he's trying to be doing. He'll see stuff. He'll try it on occasion. But whether it's off the dribble with with some of his moves, whether it's getting to the basket with creative finishes that just don't necessarily go down. But you kinda see what he's trying to do with them, or whether it's making the right decision. You see flashes of it, but it's not very often. And again, in those five games, more turnovers than assists. And when you consider the amount of time he handled it in pick and roll that is not great. But I do think he showed nice exceleron nice moves. You saw him creating the separation using that shooting threat as while. Splitting the pick and roll. Breaking guys down didn't see this as much against high major competition the one game but he's able to at the lower levels at the euro camp a couple years ago when he was going against older prospects. Some of the better prospects in Europe, at that time break, guys down, get to pull up jumper, and make it at a pre decent rate. So there's a lot to like there, I think, as far as the separation that he's able to get off the dribble. You add that with being a pretty good shooter and then some off ball game as well. And you're looking at someone who could be very, very good offense player. One of my favorite things in his film was refu- different occasions, were vandy would have him as the inbounder on a baseline not bounce play. And then he would throw it in and it would basically be like a Steph curry relocation, three just through a different action and he he moved. Well he found the spot. Got there at the right time. And just put up the shot. With no hesitation and you talk about how he was on ball so much Vanderbilt that was a sign of something that we ended up seeing the limited amount of non Vanderbilt film that I was able to watch that he has these tools to be a useful valuable off ball player. And yet, that's not as useful for a guy who six to as it is for somebody who six or seven because den to maximize that you need. Somebody else who's been bigger and can handle the ball. But I do like that, that not only in terms of his skillset, but also in terms of the recognition and the activity level I liked his energy off ball, was one of my favorite things about garland, because he was moving around trying to get himself open. There was this one hilarious play where? So I said he was the first five star over to Vanderbilt the second one, she to sign shortly thereafter, and they actually played together Advani. And there's this one play where she was driving at garlic. He gets himself open on the opposite side just kind of jumping around, but it wasn't like he was being selfish like hey man, I'm here like the ball because I'm going to score three points. And he ended up not getting the ball but it was. I put it like that sort of thing, where it's he kinda see what's going on. And you could see little parts of that defensively to where he didn't have all the tools yet. But at least he was trying, and trying, it's not half the battle. But it's a part of the battle, I wouldn't describe him as a low effort player still not someone who's going to get a lot of steals. The defense is a concern one position defender. You mentioned the six five wingspan pretty similar frame to job. Ranaldo certainly much higher defensive effort level than Moran Eloy. You might say that Mirant has a little more quickness in supervision garland. I don't think he's going to be a big steals guy. I don't know how physically is going to be able to be getting over screens, not gonna be able to switch at all. I would guess didn't really see him make any kind of help defense plays or even just to get into the right place or try and take charges or anything like that really a very little in terms of disruption, again, I wouldn't characterize him as low effort necessarily. I think this transfers over the often. End is while that he just has zero physicality whatsoever at this stage. He does very little on the defensive glass, most times, he even if there's a defense, rebounding would never even go below the free throw line to try and grab it. So maybe he could get to being adequate defensively, unite his feeder. Okay, doesn't have terrible length at six five wings band for the point guard position. And I didn't get the impression that he is Lisi, but I don't foresee him being above average defensively at that position by any and more likely than not I would say below. Yeah. Girl, without there wasn't as much that scared me in his film, like let's say trae young. I was just going. He's also not like a pressure. The ball kinda guy too quick feed either. It doesn't do any of that. And maybe some of that could come a little bit later. But again, you know, we'll have to see and something else. You talked about the physicality that struck me with garlands film, was the foul that he drew didn't really seem repeatable against dramatically better. Competition me it was more like your aggressive, and you fall. Down, and it wasn't like he created did a lot with the contact or anything like that. He just kinda got those calls. And especially for thinner, regards, the thresholds just really changed. When you get to the NBA, because these guys move so well. And they're so much more help at the rim. And so, you know, like getting a liberty defender that's reacting a little bit too late and gets in your way they give you the foul. Call is very different than doing the same thing against the Atlanta Hawks. Much less the Toronto Raptors of the warriors, and I thought he'd been in so those games against mid major low major competition. He still had some struggles finishing now. The finishing is, is really interesting. He's not a leaper particularly off of one foot. He didn't really seem to have much eurostepped covering ground game yet, Cody Cody topper on couple of days ago. He talked about confrontational finishing versus a vase of finishing, and certainly confrontational finishing. Just doesn't have the athletes to do that. He's not gonna go through guys just at all. Now he shows some Bill. To get to some scoop shot, some Nash speed layups. And then I think it's floater you know, he has good natural touch obviously shooting the ball and he can kind of bounce in into that floater off the hop against. He's got a workout. It's not a Steph curry trae young type of floater where he's just awesome at any. He's not really. He's got a kinda still slow down. Pop on two feet and lofted up rather than being able to shoot. It more on the move at least at this point in time, but I think he could get to where if not having a lead touch within fifteen feet. He could get to being better there in solid e has to find ways to get to the foul line. More for sure in gonna utilize his skinny body to be a little bit more physical. And yet, you're not gonna go through guys. But you can at least when you are able to use your quickness to get past the guy. If you try to go through their body, while they're trying to move laterally to cut you off it. You can drop outs doesn't really too much of that from what I've seen. I do think it's. Encouraging that he's comfortable at least trying to finish with bolt. He's got like some double pumps and some scoops with either hand. He's again not without touch, but any can look good every once in a while. But like so much of his game, they're flashes. But in the aggregate, it's not that amazing tight package. It's more just are you see what he could be if he can get there? But, you know, maybe you're just falling in love with some of those flashes and it never becomes an every play type skill level for I wanted to go back a little bit to kind of passing slash judgment at a couple of notes in there that wanted to and so something that I saw there. I'll just use the phrase I had in my right up is that he doesn't have all the passes in the in the toolbox, you can think about Chris Paul, like, the, he's the extreme example here. But any also does have mazing touch on his passes, but garland, he seems to be looking in the right places which is a first step. You know, a lot of times, I'm looking more for that for sixteen seventeen year old point guard prospect than a nineteen year old prospect. But it's a step. And when you have a jump shot, I give you a lot more credence and another thing that I've liked about garland as a passer was, he had some intriguing place that demonstrated patients envision, so there was one where he waited for the heart, the heart hedge to release instead of forcing the past early, and then by waiting that opened up the window for him to hit the to hit the Roman. I really like it when guys can can recognize when the best time to passes. That's an important thing. And then for the vision of driving on the opposite side hitting an open man in the far corner, and had a baseline drive where he kept his head up found someone you're the basket once he drew the help those sorts of plays are those aren't like next level things, but they're, they're, definite value ads for somebody who still has a lot of room to grow. Yeah. You, you mentioned the passing and another thing where in theory, you could be good. But just isn't really right now is in transition. He's not this downhill put pressure on the room type of player. I mean I love guys trae young and sub-grade obviously done this of, of where. If you're pushing the ball up after miss, and demoted. It's kinda like this to the never really played with that kind of a transition emphasis in Portland, where it's really if you can pull up from thirty feet in transition that really makes things of gold, and now the help is in place until you can blow by guys who feel like they have to get out there. And I didn't think Lillard is an interesting comparison for him in Lillard came out as a much more polished player. But I think they're passing vision is a little bit more similar and Lillard zone who likes to to pull up from Tepe, but isn't necessarily the most natural point guard in terms of really pushing it down your throat in transition or hit ahead passes or Lillard is taught himself to be a solid passer, but he's not up there on the list of like the great passers, I would see him. And the fact that garland doesn't have necessarily the same athleticism that Dame does a by any means and Dave struggled with his finishing for a long time before he got better at it later in his career. But I do see a few similarities there, just in. In terms of their passing vision, and some of the things that they do. Well again, I would be shocked if garland becomes as good steam Jimmy top player in the league. But that's I think is a more accurate comparison than trae young, so who's also being compared to young to me as one of the best passing college point cards ever seen. And also, you know, was really hunting his shot a little bit more am I thought y'all got to the foul line. A lot more just had a lot more tricks. And I think it was even to a better finish better floater than Garlan gone a lot more defensive potential than young. He's got more size and more pure athleticism more explosion. But that's just to compare them to a couple of guys try and put him into context to some degree here. End once more, we have to emphasize all things that were saying you just have less certain of everything that you're saying, because we just haven't seen it that much at a high level at a competitive level. Right. And there is also the I think goes slightly and garlands favor, which is that we did. And also see the development that would have happened over the course of his freshman year. A lot of guys look significantly better in the last five games of their freshman year than they do in the first five games. But he also missed that development. Absolutely. So depending on where a team is in the success cycle. How much pressure they have on that player in this case Garlan contributing immediately that is a you know that could scare some teams off that first of all, it's a big risk. But also it's a risk that will take longer to pay off. And I'm intrigued by garland. And we've only done for four players so far to me. He's unambiguously behind joh- and Zion. But with RJ E kits confu. It gets complicated because I've got him harder than I do as well. But I have them in the same tier. And the reason why is I do think positional scarcity runs in RJ, Barrett's favor. But the problem for Barrett is that if we don't get into that top echelon of let's say, like the eighty five percent outcome for him if we're outside of that it gets to apply. That is a lot less valuable. Why did I wasn't impressed with his defense, the shooting becomes a much bigger problem because he's not gonna have the ball in the sands as much an with dearest garland, he still can shoot hopefully and he can point guards primary ball handler whatever term, you want us. They have value that can be on the second unit. They can do lots of other things. And so I'm, I'm less concerned about those things. So yeah Baird. I mean if everything works out for Bertie could be awesome. I think he has more physical tools, but lacking, jump the jump shot is definitive factor in the modern MBA. And if, if teams don't have to defend you, when you don't have the ball, it makes life so much easier and with garland, I think they will have to defend him and that helps out Steve and I feel a little bit more comfortable with garland, just because his jump shot just looks right? Like when it goes in. It's pure his makes look really good. And then he's the son of foreign be point guard Winston garland. Everyone regards him as a good worker, and I feel much better about him than if you know, he's kind of like just some. Gummer Gunnar late. I if you compare him to say Maliki mum, you know, where monk was just it was. Everyone always knew he was never going to be a point guard garland has taken some big steps towards becoming point guard. Even you know when he is more of an off ball player earlier in his high school career, he shows a lot of creativity. A lot of advanced dribble moves 'em while it is really too bad that he lost this freshman season. Maybe you could have made a much bigger impact than he did. He does show the flashes. And given the fact that all the Intel stuff on him is really good. That makes me feel better about turning these flashes into consistent production. And then the reason I would probably have him above our jail. Do I final board, but I'm almost certainly gonna be above RJ on it is I he has the upside. You know, I like upside, especially early in the draft. I don't really see the upside for Jamie. I mentioned you mentioned how RJ your how does it work for him if he's kinda, yo meeting outcome for him or something so workout of the jumping dozen? Come around to me. I don't necessarily see that much upside for RJ other than an engine of a below average offense whereas with garland his ball handling and his shooting. There's enough there if you can really dribble and you can really shoot. And you've got some quickness that could be a fantastic player. I don't feel as strongly about him as I did trae young last year because he doesn't have that fantastic passing young headed entire season. And I was more of a believer, perhaps, in young shooting than Garland's, though. I do think garlic can get there. And I like what he can do to be sure what winnings locked in a young, one of the better freshman seasons ever from Cisco standpoint. We see that from garland. Of course, there's a lot of risk. But I think I have a higher risk tolerance higher in the draft. Just because I think NBA basketball is all about finding stars. And try try and do that. Even if there's a higher bus potential, any does have a number of weaknesses that are unlikely to improve at Tonny. Does he have become a great passing point guard at the NBA level of it? My guess is probably, you know, but at the do enough with his gravity and his ability to tack off the dribble that in, especially if he works on his finishing. That's another real huge bellwether for him with me if when he if he does put pressure on the room, Kenny, finish it at a decent afraid. Get fall into be officiant from two point range Enke's got pre decent off the dribble ice. Oh game as wallet. If you're late in the clocks, we add that he's not going to be good defensively, knocked to be good on the board. So that that's always a concern when you're talking about him being the star of a team that's at the highest levels in the but you have your talking about him being a very good point guard, I feel pretty confident that he can at least be unless you just totally bus out due to just shooting doesn't work, the way we hope it will or injuries or something, you can be very solid offensive point guard at a minimum in the league you got anything else on garland hair or should we wrap things up. I think you summarized. Pretty well. I d like crazy. No, like all MBA upside for me, unless the shot is just monstrous, probably isn't there. But a functional point guard who teams after respect is really valuable and I like that he brings effort and in intention to lot of what he does, and so that can bode. Well, I'm willing to give young players more latitude more benefit of the doubt in those circumstances. And so that leads to a higher bus potential because you're trading certainty for possibility. But that's just the way these things work out. And before we go to mention the both these came up during the course of the broadcast, but real Jim radio with Kevin pelton was really great. We talked about the finals. We talked about lessons from this off season. And some not only some mock offseason inside. But some off season offseason inside including before the trade happened talking about we both were skeptical of the Russell, Kyrie Irving fit, which may be more possible. Now, we talked a little bit, and also my analysis of the trade for the flesh is up as well. So that's you know go. Some of the numbers, and, and why I think this is an interesting gamble for the nets in particular. We'll be back tomorrow night as we find out, whether we have ourselves a series or not in the NBA finals touch on.

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 288: Trade Deadline Day

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 288: Trade Deadline Day

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. All the scoop need to know from college basketball to the NBA and even March madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball. PODCAST walking since basketball. PODCAST here Gibson CPAP podcasts Redondo Spice Lewis and he had very chaotic game obviously one in his Taos. NBA Trade deadline has NBN. We have a lot of moving pieces. A lot of team trades a lot of players places getting out the lease signed. Everybody making prove Mr Team Championship teams James China solidify themselves to make that finals run young teams trying to get assets for the future. Maybe improve their future. All types of things happened today and it was just so fantastic. Take so we'll talk about all the news. Recap some of all the biggest trades and impactful trade around the League right here on this podcast. Cover all right here on this podcast right now right now but we're going to start with obviously the big news There's a lot of betrayed news so I guess we'll just start with the biggest team with the biggest straight news. And how does the Los Angeles Clippers Clippers completed a three team trade today with the Knicks in the clippers. I mean the Nixon. The Wizards Clippers landed Marcus Morris Be Crucial Roussel signing for their lineup in Isaiah Thomas has reported they will they will let go right Isaiah Thomas. The Knicks acquire Mo- heartless and a twenty twenty. First Rounder in the wizards. Get derome Robinson. Obviously if you look at this trade clippers really never gave anything and got back up lot. Marcus Morris is having a career year this year. New York average points rebounds and assists Marcus Morris has been a proven player Between the two Moors brothers. He is considered the better of the two. He is a guy. Hi who is going to make this lineup. Even more dangerous clippers were already kind of naked. Nick with the Lakers and I feel like the question is has pushed him past the Lakers at the Lakers. That pat at the at the trade deadline Obviously the clippers are going to try out a lineup with Paul. George Pat Beverley Leonard. Marcus Morris Zubec- so this this line. It looks very dangerous and the clippers really. They gave up some guys. They free up some stay actually have roster spots available to 'cause they're probably GonNa Science people from the buyouts and acquire some people that way too so they're not even done but maybe former out the roster but we knew that this team was a top heavy team. Marcus Morris help help add more depth to this team because like I said this trae they really gave up nothing they absolutely give up. No so the you know. The Clippers team looks very good on paper. They look extremely excellent and they will. They'll probably definitely be there at the end. You know This is probably the best starting lineups in the League The team has also one of the best starting eight of the top eight. You know 'cause 'cause which he got here is Y- you got. I just mentioned the club. And you still got Lou Williams and you still got mantras Ameri Shimmy. So they have great eight-man rotation they really ah versatile the starting lineup. They're going to put out there were marketed. It's very versatile. Paul George Complete two through four can play to four Marcus Morris if needed camp hand place on three but can play three and four. I mean they got players who are every position. Obviously Patrick Beverley is not afraid to the tallest player in the league. Obviously do Kevin Durant last year in the playoffs offs. I mean this is just a news. Obviously Clipper fans. Were thrilled to hear. Because obviously the question is between the two thousand eighteen which teams and to make a move which team was gonna make a change which team was going to make that final roster adjustment to push towards the finals? Obviously like I said earlier. The Lakers at stand pat. Where the clippers when a head made a move? They say the Clippers deathly better from the straight. And they've already beaten the Lakers twice in the regular season so we don't know if this means towards the playoffs if they meet. Obviously the Lakers were kind of considering trading cow. That was really only news that you heard. They tried to get Andrea dollar but they could not find the right way or composition. Organic the team. Involved that the Memphis Grizzlies would want to give up Andrea Dolla. And so when they struck out on him it was Kinda just like that was I mean that was really only person that they really tried. Go after heavily. this moment. I think the Lakers are probably looking more ads. Potentially waiting for C. With Darren Collison decide to do because he'll be a free agent so maybe they can still get a guy by But Clippers obviously went ahead made moves. This is obviously a first class organisation. Jerry West has done any gain doc rivers and they're just in there just creating the best team they can put out there potentially on the floor to then equal a great. You know a great team integrate championship run. Potentially again this year. It makes the playoffs all that much more interesting. I think so. We still be extremely interested. They'll be you tune into watch. It's something that I think. A lot of people are very very much in tune with and I think that you know the clippers are going to do everything they can to come out successful You know this. This is something that if everything works out you know on. We'll see. Not If the Lakers standing pat hurts them and we'll see if this this this these moves actually ended up being beneficial or hurting anybody. Obviously you know we already know how good the clippers were already so making a trait like this can only just help them improving getting better. And that's what you really want to hear see but What will happen? We'll have to see what happens. We'll have to see what happens with You know it's actually very interesting in my opinion because the clippers have always shown the the thing about Cooper's day even though they a lot of assets they still just one or two assets left. Or that's why you know obviously NBA. It's great that you you have these three four team deals so maybe you don't have asset yourself but maybe you can get another team in there to give up their acids and maybe you maybe get one player here pick there and still be able to get the player. Are you actually in the morning at the end of the day. So it's one of those things that kind of an interesting situation now. Also the Lakers also wanted to go out Marcus Morris in the but the Knicks win Ku's marine and pick supermarkets. Moore's obviously that's A. That's a lot for marcus is more I mean. Mark I mean literally you honestly if they flip Kouzmine for Marcus Morris I mean some people may not like it because it's a younger older or younger player but you would feel like I mean that would be fine but when they asked for Dana Green and Peixe that sounds like oh no. We're not going to give you our best as player of the season for nothing. We're going to ask you for the bankroll and ask for everything. And people are just like an also people look at the the trade Ammunition think okay. The Knicks coups mcgrane of picks. And then for for the clippers all they had to mow heartless and then they got to pick people wandering deer favoritism nearly on mean that Kinda was all suspicious how that how that move was made how they ask for more from him then. They asked from the clippers. Obviously creates very big question Obviously obviously you say clippers are not gonNA keep Isaiah Thomas either they. They acquired him in the street. They weren't going to them. A lot of people are excited. They can always eight homes can be a winning team. But it looks like he'll be cut We'll have to see what happens with that. Also the Lakers expect the workout. Jr Smith again Obviously additionally not as as they weren't able to get another shoot. I think Jefferson is a shooter. I think maybe going trying to see if they can potentially give get a shooter Ajay. They are cheap. Alternative option veteran guy would be a good edition. Also you know they you know they were they were just trying to do. They gotTA do You know so. We'll have to see I mean I mean who's WHO's the best team in La Right now. It's very easy to sit here and say the clippers the best team now and we'll have to see what happens when you know obviously clippers get their entire team finalized finalized. I guess you could almost say the transition period and we'll see what they look like. WHO's obviously the clippers? Even with a top heavy team trying to add death. They're trying to add. They're trying WANNA be like basically where you know. A lot of top-heavy seems our top heavy than outside of that. It's pretty easy very weak. So really the top heavy. The stars have to carry the load and then the other players. I have to just give them enough. The clippers are still trying to be even throughout where they still have enough at the end the day. Because I mean obviously I would think the finishing line up potentially in the fourth quarry would be Beverly Coli. Paul George Marcus Morris Actually No. I don't think it depends on the situation. Actually Division lineup. They didn't Marcus. Morris would be blue actually Lou Williams at point then colliding Paula. George Marks Moore's than Mantras Herald. which would be a very dangerous? Starting five I mean senior. Anybody can beat you from three on that on that except for mantras but really everybody got foreclosed. Beat you from three you guy you have tons of talent. I mean it really just depends panther. Obviously I'm sure doc rivers great. Coaching will make adjustments like okay. We're going in defense of okay. Bachelorette within the game for Lou stuff like that but you know. It's a great day for clippers. Great Trade for them. And what would happen to Lakers before it but coming up next the Oklahoma City safe stay put no trades. People think we're GONNA trade. Maybe Stephen Adams or Neil Gallon Ari the seventy sixers at two shooters from the Golden State Warriors of the deadline. Where does that put them and also will discuss? Can Ben Simmons and Jill Ellen Biko exist in Philadelphia or is it just not big enough for the both with the masters been reports and a lot of people speculating about both of them playing on the same team in the Wa. 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Straight guy did to make themselves better team more versatile team in a better overall eighteen. Also talk about why the Lakers may be. Potentially they make a move and also some of the pilot of both of those decisions by both teams. Now we're going to get into some more more trade news `the Oklahoma City thunder interestingly at the deadline that not make any moves. Obviously the two most sought after people from the thunder was neo Gallinari and Stephen Adams. Obviously you're GONNA a Gallon Ari you know. He had expiring contract he also had a career year. He's been healthy so obviously people felt like he had a lot of value. He's shooter versatile. Three four guy so people thought that he had a lot of value but they didn't trade him and also Stephen Adams also a guy that people thought maybe they trade obviously has a bigger contract But he's still very salt center at this point he's career could be starting center team. The League obviously heard scenes ever interested in them I think the thunder I think I mean with the team that have been listening. We're not saying they're going to championship. It'll be very interesting to see what happens. Moving forward with them. It'd be interesting to see what happens. Happens in terms of like the progression where they go in the future I think we'll have to see. And obviously I feel like you say here in say like overall the eighteen looks good Do you think there's a lot of potential there obviously with with Oklahoma City with that young talent. So we'll be happy. It's obviously when you're in. The New Year and trade talks trade deadline atoms and I was like I said he's going to be a free agent but Adams might be in the trade talks this summer. contentiously obviously sometimes teams like the. Wait 'til maybe in a lottery happens so you know what picks people have so then. It's like okay well. Maybe we can package. Stephen Adams get a pick You know could obviously says Oklahoma during the playoffs. You're going to be allotted. They're not gonNA be lottery team. They'RE GONNA be a playoff team so you never know. They still too big additions to their team or trying to get upper repick. They Can Tho Stephen Adams in their in their first and see maybe with that gives them post all the other. Pixie accumulated from the clippers in that big. Paul George Trae over the off season. He's and so. I think that it's okay for them to not make any big moves here right now. I think Oklahoma City where they think is best for them and I think sometime holding pat at the trade deadline can sometimes be was best for the the team and now we get to see him. Maybe how far can this roster go. They have tally. You know Schreuder. Obviously one of those players and Chris Paul Stephen Adams they have also a lot of other guys like a guy because he's having a career year Sate Sieges Alexander exander. He's having a career year and second year in the League. So all the potential in the world to be one of the better teams going into the future. So we'll have to see what happens with that. Also the semi sixers seventy sixers made a trade was an auto trade deadline day but lily the night before they treated to gold state They traded wait for Alec. burks and Glenn Ron Missing Junior This was a very needed trade for the seventy sixers. They needed shooting. That's what they need the deadline and they got to shooting to shooters at the daily. Because those are the two shooters golden state. Obviously out burks has been a player who you know. He's been he's been a good player since he came into the League I'm he recently just had a thirty point game. What warriors? He's a guy. Who can you could score? You know he could give you some points in Giessen buckets and you know you need also can shoot the ball. Glen Robinson has been more of a shooter so I think this helps expand. Obviously they're shooting. Obviously Ben Simmons You know one thing with me in the in this in this in this destroyed discussions with seventy sixers like you know during the trades. It's deadline and the next couple of days. After a lot of times it's going to be hard for players who just got trade start right away because obviously you have to get in you have to kind of learn a little bit. Then get on the floor and you know. Obviously they made that trade the night before. I'm sure Glen Robinson out. BURKS cannot get the Philadelphia in play boom suit up next night. I'm sure they go through some initial things that you go through when you get traded and sent to a new team so they're probably waiting to see what happens when it comes to that obviously the seventy sixers Playing the Milwaukee Bucks so so You know obviously this is a pretty big game for them to maybe lose some guys but they really didn't give too much in up in this trade to golden state. So I think that you know seventy sixers again. This is this this is just what they thought they probably have to do to. Potentially maybe make a run at a championship obvious. Eggs are going to a lot of issues. A lot of people would say within the locker room with Ben Simmons and with L Joel embiid arm trying to figure out whose team is who who wants. WHO's the man on this hosting and discuss really next here is just if you if you think about it you know? Obviously there's been a question about both these guys. Is You know both these to have the potential to be great players. Ben Simmons his weaknesses. He can't shoot so I mean he's he's he's he's an elite finisher in. He's elite in the paint eight when he gets downhill. He's unstoppable but he can't shoot in. The playoff is easier to defend something like that. That's why he hasn't been as effective in the playoffs. See embiid is obviously concerned the best overall player because he's the most dominant be dropped thirty on anybody every night he has the capabilities puffins beat is that he's out of shape a lot. He gets injured injured a lot. So it's just like can you rely on them. Can you trust them so both players have their big issues. It's just who would you rather have. Obviously you know there's been ideas maybe trading a beat away because Simmons's skill sets such an elite passer. If you put shooters around him the offense will thrive even though in an obviously if you have spacing that can help simmons into the paint and it worked for him works. Everybody involved. Were obviously with embiid on the team. You can't necessarily play that way because it beats going clog the paint because you don't wanting beat always taking threes so in beads clog the pain and then you've got simmons who came shoes so he has to go into the paint and now it's a clogged up mess and now may be. Simmons can't get those easier shots in the paint because embiid there. So obviously there's always been discussion about you. Know could they trade embiid. And also there's been solicitous Simmons because embiid again is like you said a lot of people because he's the best overall player and with beat even beat is the best overall player wall. We know who you need to trade him because he's alive and shooting and you can get you for the Ben Simmons. The thing about it is for either one of these players. You can probably get you a pretty big package back for them. Symbols has all the potential is a star in this league. You can get you a starting point guard back for Ben Simmons and it still works with and beat it because it's all in the same way you treat him beat somebody's willing to give up a lot burnaby because they know if in because a healthy year we have a dominant center for years to come. So it's really just a matter of which which side are you on are. Are you a Ben Simmons. Fan Are you an immed- fan. Which one would you rather prefer? That's going to be the question that you have to ask yourself I mean can they coexist because it looks like I mean obviously the trade deadline's done so I think this is a crucial time for the seventy sixers in the seventy six faithful if Simmons and embiid cannot work this out in work this these issues out and figure it out. I think if you're Elton brand in the in the in the Front Office of the seventy sixers you really have to look very closely at a potentially trading one of these two. Because you don't I mean I understand that you have to great players and you want to figure out because you feel like you would think with two great players will go with our the best chance to win a championship. But if it's just not working. Chemistry is still an issue years later. It's something that you definitely have to visit and you have to consider very heavily. If you're Elton brand and then you gotta figure out which one which one do we jerry who is more extensive. Who Do we think can still give us a pretty valuable team? And then we add some pieces in the compete and maybe have better chemistry. Which one do we feel like is more expendable Obviously is tough decisions to be made but why have to see the how the seventy sixers in the season because obviously we expect to make the playoffs but the thing is is that. I think if if the same mates finals in let's say it got lost game seven seven. I think that might be good enough to keep the together potentially but if it's like an early exit first round second row or another third. Straight year semifinals exit. I think it's going to be like okay. We we definitely need to look into making trade. We definitely need to look into getting rid of one of the other person's because it it's showing too much that it's just not working working with these two and we have to start thinking to ourselves. WHOA WHOA is this ceiling with this team? Because you you you determine harming your sealing off your stars if you're if if this is the furthest your stars can take you that is your ceiling as a team and you went to upper soon you may have to trade for younger who might be more potential than that current star or better overall player than the sorry that you have so with that steffl decision that has to be looked into you depending on how this season potentially ends for the seventy sixers when it's all said and done so that's going to be very interesting to see what happens and in that regard in the city of Philadelphia. Brotherly love next thing. We're going to talk about the big four team trade Houston Rockets made a couple of days ago to get rubbing Covington. We're GONNA talk about. What is their plan going forward because obviously they traded clink compelled to the Atlanta Hawks? And also the Hawks WanNa talk about the hawks making moves for the future. They made a couple of moves today today to kind of get themselves. Maybe have a good end of the season in potentially be a playoff team in twenty twenty one stay tuned for that check out the show that's built on the m a from. UFC extreme cage biting they got the fights covered check out the GSM. SEE 'EM A podcast. CAST get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us as we talked to in a bow. Some of the biggest names in m e past present and future. When it's the fight game there's just one show to check out? GMC PODCAST DOT COM backslash. Mame Dash podcast. Go forget to leg among facebook could follow them on twitter with her visit. GSM See podcasts. Dot Com for more INFO. Welcome back to the GS MC basketball podcast. Last time we talked about the seventy sixers who's adding shooting and also about the the relationship between Ben Simmons and embiid going into the future. Can they can coaxes candidate. Work in. PHILADELPHIA CAN'T PHILADELPHIA PHILADELPHIA breakthrough this year and potentially get their chance to win a championship. Also we also talked about Oklahoma City staying at the deadline. Not Making moves move keeping to their guns. So we're going to talk about big fourteen trade that Houston pulled off earlier this week a couple of days ago trading. Clint Capello way through the Atlanta Hawks. As part of a four team deal with Minnesota Timberwolves in it never nuggets in this agreement. HOUSTON GETS Robert COVINGTON. ATLANTA GETS COMPELLING NAME A MINNESOTA GETS malinche Beasley Joe want show her nen. Her Gomez. Sorry if I said that wrong Evan. Turner in Atlanta First Round pick via the nets. Endeavoring is Gerald Green. So if you look at his is trade obviously the two teams that really got anything out of this. Trait was Anna Hawks. And I guess you could say men in Minnesota got some death now and a pig but really the Atlanta Hawks in Houston Rockets rockets. And we're going to focus more on Houston here right now because Houston's doing a different thing there they they feel like they have to win with smaller dare Murray came out and said he feels like they have the best chance to win a championship with a small ball lineup. So basically Wrigley would he saying is. We're not GONNA have a true center and were willing to let joker in Efi Davis dropped thirty tonight. Because we think that we're going to be it would outscore you like because they feel like okay everyday was dropped thirty. We'll raindrop thirty. Everybody's spread across the floor now to everybody can shoot. Russell can get into the paint much easier one. Oh one matchups I mean matchup wise. It is a matchup problem for any team that plays Houston. So it's not like this matchup is going to be like. Oh now he's it's GONNA fall down but it's also Houston gives themselves problems defensively because now of a team has a very good skill big man they don't really have anybody who can guard up and then and they had got Jordan bell back in this way too but they traded him at a lot of people felt like that could have been the steelers Jordan. Bell was a little bit is basically Click Cappella Athletic Rebounding Guy. And they started him away. We were like wow why would you keep him. You could ahead. You still have your some type of center. Both nee in clint away those those were the two senators they had. I think the rockets have Tyson Chandler. I believe I. Yeah I think they Tyson Chandler so they have a senator. It's just Tyson has not been asked to bear them. Play any minutes this year and do so coming out of the blue and Tan Tyson Luigi and start playing twenty minutes a game. I don't no no. We don't know if that's what they're going to actually do. And I mean obviously added Robert Covington for shooting. Because obviously that's what they feel like they need is more shooting. And so so they feel like with with with with starring Russell. Westbrook James Harden Erik. Gordon I guess Robert Covington at the four and compete J.. Tucker the five I mean you kind of look at the team. When you're just Kinda like I mean your body can shoot defensively of a guy like I said if a team has a dominant big man and it's GonNa be a long day for the Houston Rockets? Now that's why I think a lot of people question this trade because what can they win with this type of lineup. A lot of people feel like this isn't going to get you any closer to a championship. Like I understand. You want to have a small ball. I know but at least have some type of center like a lot of people they all these like talk about. How Golden State had a small? But a lot of people talking about forget like state. Use that lineup. To end the game or in the middle of a game not to start the game. And that's your main line up all the way through. That's why it's a little different with Houston doing here. Then the way. Golden State actually tried to execute their small lineup back before. That's why a lot of people feel like this. Maybe be not. This isn't the best decision for them to make this moment. Because what you said defensively you're lacking I mean. Obviously you're putting a lot of pressure on the starting earning five the score bunch of your points too. I feel like because I've never felt like Houston was that deep on the bench. I mean you have Austin rivers and other guys but I've never felt that deep on the bench so I think you know you're putting a lot of pressure on the starting lineup to basically make at least twenty. Three's a game I think would be the number you want for Houston. Houston you have to make at least twenty. Three's which is sixty points again and then you get some insight shots too because you have to think about it. They're Arab Houston is a very big analytics team. They won the teams that truly goes analytics. That's why they hired Mike Dantonio because the offense the analytical offense they run shoot shoot threes and layups and dunks and also fouls so. I think it's a very interesting aloma since that is the case. We're going to have to see what happens. We're going to have to see how it turns out. We're going to have to see how it works out for the Houston Houston Rockets. Obviously James Harden has to gap his flunk. He's been in. He asked to start playing better. Russell obviously has gotten worse than three from this year. I think shooting twenty two percents He'll need to improve that But also again this trait does help Russell in the fact that he can get into the paint a little bit easier now now the field. The court is all spread out all times now. Obviously we hope Robert Covington gives you about maybe about three to five threes. A game three to five between nine and fifteen points. Three point shots Obviously PJ Tucker. He's a sturdy defender Hit Three Ball hearing Nair and obviously heir. Gordon is a a guy who is always the x factor. My because you can always go off you know Gordon has all the potential I remember. He was drafted. Be a star player in league and he never was the star player that we thought what he's always had the ability to play and have a star performance. So honestly all we can do see what they can do is crazy. 'cause they play the Lakers and obviously you know they don't have a senator so they're coming into that game definitely Kinda all right so I guess. Tyson Chandler is going to start because I don't believe Robert Covington is playing. I don't know he might play tonight. We'll have to see If he does I mean we'll see the new rockets and we'll have to see how looks against the Lakers. If they're able to come out with a win that'd be a very big statement for them because now I people are questioning the straight and like well we were still one of the best teams in. La One seat in the western conference rid with our small ball lineup. So we feel pretty. Good that with this lineup. We can win a championship with Mike. Then Tony System we can. We gotta do to accessible. So we'll have to see their maury is a mad genius or mad scientist at the end of all this and also we have the Atlanta Hawks who also got Kuka Peril. The hawks also traded for two players. I believe the clippers in one from Memphis. I believe they also trade it for Dwayne de the player he played for them last year They they faced Duane debt into a tree Alexander Jabari Parker and. I think that the hawks are kind of setting themselves up for next six year because one of the issues Atlanta has is that they struggled defensively and they didn't have a true center who could defend because if you look at the lineup. Their two best players John Collins and trae young. We're not very good defenders. Actually liabilities defensively. But they never had a gain of Senator Clinton masters deficiencies. Dwayne deadman is a shot blocking center. Who can stretch the floor a little bit? He's not going to go out of his way. And get you thirty but he can score give maybe double double ten and ten potentially also you know trade getting for trade training for click. Appel was big because he's a guy who was very athletic. Great on the pick and roll value. hoops can also block shots. They got guys who can block shots. Obviously Wayne deadman has more range angel shooter but they have two guys who can now manda middle that can also help John Collins down there since he's a liability on the offensive end. What can give you points on the other and obviously there was a report that came out from the ringer this week saying that? The hawks don't really WANNA pay John Collins so John Collins could potentially next year be slash the Atlanta Hawks knowing that he'll be a free agent at the end of next year so restricted free agent. So we'll have to see so you know it'll be interesting to see what this team looks like next year. You think the starting lineup moving forward betray. Kevin Herder De'andre Hunter John Collins and Clink Capella which is not a bad lineup. If you pay attention at all to hawks basketball we all know what trays don't trade. His head awesome fantastic year Kevin Herders one of the better players. You haven't heard of young player. John Hall is also was one of the better players. You haven't heard probably Patriots Hawks and also de'andre Andrea Hunter is coming into his own with cameras coming off the bench when the WHO were there to the first round draft picks this year adding click in in doing going to set them up potentially for for a season next year because obviously had a lot of cap room to coming into this off season. Obviously this free agency isn't really cloud with talent so taking on these contracts that Clinton do Dwayne Have isn't really hurting the hawks so we'll have to see how it turns out but they're making moves and we'll have to see how this works out of the Hawks play better at the end of the year this might give a lot of people in Atlanta. Hope hope their team might be actually very relevant going into next year. So we're GONNA have to see what happens in that regard rather see how that actually turns out but coming up next. Andre Drummond traded for nothing the under Russell also treating a big deal to Minnesota temples for Andrew Wiggins the Miami Heat get Andre de Gaulle or more from the Memphis Grizzlies. Find all that and more right here in the podcast out this show built around the women of MMA from the UFC to the extreme caged fighting. We got the fights. Cover the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast. The latest news of upcoming twice discussions of previous matches. Join us as we talked to in about the biggest. It's names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future when it's the women's fright game you know where to listen to the golden state media concepts women's May podcast welcome back to the GMC basketball podcast. Last seven we talked about more trade news around and we as we talk about the big thing trae with Houston Rockets. The hawks the Timber Wolves into nuggets. We also talked about hawks making moves through the future trying to get the team ready. Maybe a playoff run in two thousand twenty one. So obviously that's a big nose obviously coming out of the trade deadline. But we're going to get some more trait news and bigger trays raise here. Andre Drummond was finally traded. He was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Tonight for and guess what guys. It's going to be a very big deal. Big Big Hall here here Brandon Knight. John Henson in a second round pick. Yup that's all and a lot of people had a very reaction of like wait so he got traded for nothing like think about it they were holding out when teams wanting bigger halls and then they trade and get that sometimes holding out to get a bigger deal can backfire team because some teams are not willing to budge. And then you end up having to take a deal just to get them off your hands in the problem is is. You're not really getting the right compensation back in return and this may maybe one of those situations because you look at this deal. You're just kinda like I mean brandon. I I mean arguable for Gabrielle. Knight was still. I honestly obviously a lot of people forgot tonight was still in the league. I mean obviously. Nobody watches Cleveland. A lot of the time I mean we're just being honest here. A lot of people. DON'T WATCH CLEVELAND. I mean obviously you know about Colin Sexton because in Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson. I mean we knew we know about them. And you know Gary Darling but outside of that that we didn't know rainy night was still even in the league and you traded him. Andre Drummond A two-time all-star having career highs in points rebounds sounds for him in Johnson. It kinda it Kinda feels like like I said it's just one of those things that they kind of just gave up somebody because they had to make the trade. They had to get them off their hands but they weren't able to maybe get a deal. They may be one makes you wonder what what we're teams offering for day. Rose maybe could they have more daring rose but I mean I feel like they're more like trying to I feel like they were more determined to gate. Andre Drummond off their hands. Then Derrick rose so that could be one of the reasons why they took the deal like I said today. Okay but you just. You're very underwhelmed at the deal. They took your Berry. You scratch your head a little bit like is this really. I mean I mean Emmy is one thing I remember for the Hawks. The Hawks Sean megadeal they they were not budging list. They gave him a first. They took a second round pick. It just really makes you feel like it's a a case of. They held out. They thought they could get more people. Were willing to give up more for drumming and then that kind of cost them because now the had to take something and it wasn't in good at all and he also had to be honest about onto the drummer. Drumming is not a typical center in today's NBA that would fit prototypical into a lot of offenses. He is a traditional back under the back. Kauai which can work but he can be a liability at times referral line obviously against guys who can stretch the floor at the center position and just he isn't a guy I to anybody who's willing to sell the boat for so I feel like if you could get you have to kind of be realistic about the best deal you can get. I can understand getting a deal and saying okay is anybody willing to up does the owned and otherwise exit ticket. But don't sit here and say we're going to stand pat with Andre Drummond ended knowing that we're going to get rid of all costs and then you stand pat for a better deal ever get that a better deal than the deal that you had that was. Potentially your best deal is off the table and now you gotta take such a lesser deal to get rid of him and then it just makes you like Yo Dang you gave him up for absolutely nothing like what. What were you doing? Detroit so obviously live we were gonna be wondering about that. No wondering about these the wondering if it was worth what they gave up and other big trade news de Ngelo Russell traded to the Minnesota a timber wolves for Andrew Wiggins. Obviously this was a big big big trade. Obviously this is a trade that a lot of people were shocked by. I mean we knew Minnesota has been warning below for Awhile and reported for a while they were. They were willing to try to do anything to get off the warriors hands and maybe one of the things that was holding up the trade was giving up Andrew wiggins because potential. They may have been like who came. Can we potentially keep Wigan's bringing Hilo have Karl Anthony towns and go with our little big three and maybe see if we can make push. But perhaps but but I guess they couldn't they gave up Andrew Wiggins and they. They made the best out of their out of their trade. They deal with a like they had to do you. I mean you know they also got the warriors got sent Russell to the wolves for Angie Waking Twenty Twenty one protected first round pick a twenty twenty more protected second round pick obviously cat and dealer or playing together this is this is the duo they expect them to take into the future. Obviously Karl Anthony towns as one of the best in terms of talents. Best Centers in the League Deandra Russell when the best young up and coming guards in the League All Star Guard made the All Star team with the Brooklyn Nets. So it's definitely a trade that I think they feel like we were worth it and I mean Minnesota's wanted you has a russell since the offseason so I think that's something that they really enjoyed. I mean where's it giving up Jacob Evans and Amari sorry spelman but you know you know it works it works and also this also helps the warriors get off of a big a big Off Financial Burden. Also getting rid of some that D- lower money because everybody was kind of intrigued by the fact that I was intrigued by the fact that the warriors went out of their way to get data Russell this year. We know I mean obviously clay without but you thought stuff was gonNA play and people were trying to see what was happening. So they they trade. They got they signed him to A. Max brought him in with Steph in clay and dream on Classed Steph Guy. Hurt so just the most of the year and in there is reporting this reports coming out that the warriors game on the android that they they. They just don't think he works. There doesn't fit there at any isn't he is in their long term plans and so they were very eager to get rid of him and that's why they made this deal Obviously report body ago saying they wanted to wait to see what happened with Steph Curry. Obviously I guess that change and they said no we need even from now so we'll have to see what wiggins does obviously Golden State is known to be one of the funnest one of the funniest organizations to play for because the team likes to have a lot of fun they like to have tons owns a fun and etc so is definitely something that you know. Wiggins has always been questioned about his passion undesired to play the game of basketball. A lot of people questioned us even WANNA play Obviously playing on this team you think. Hopefully he'll be motivated. I mean listen when clay comes back next year weeds their courage there. I mean this team could make the plea thanks to make the playoffs and you know. We'll we'll have to see how he plays with this type of unit with playing with a guy like Steph in clay. Who Know How to win? Who are motivated? Who are driven in this game? It'll be it'll be interesting to kind of see like how it all works out like it really does. We'll have to see how it all works. Offer them so we wished Hilo the best in Minnesota. Hopefully they can make a little run. And we miss a Andrew Wiggins the Golden State and some last trait news your office another big trade Andrea Dallas finally traded after all the talks. Max by John Rant Dillon Brooks about him not wanting to play for them. He went contender. He was finally traded to Miami. Miami really didn't give up too much to get Andrea dollar they give Kevin winslow really back. Flipped winslow Fridrik They this is what they need need to. Maybe make a push and run in the playoffs. He obviously overachieved by standards. Beginning of the season Obviously also will sign extension. They're also also with the team so he will also probably more than likely you probably think would end his career there so this will be a very big trade interesting trae for them. They probably feel really good about themselves. And I think this is a much needed trade. Also Miami made a couple of other traits to get to get Solomon Hill. Jae crowder also from Memphis net. That trade So obviously they got the guy they wanted to add it some death. They added some talent. And now we'll have to see how this team looks going into the future and and we just got to see what happens. Cohen coming into it. and see how far Jimmy Butler in the Miami he can go with this roster becoming next the all-star teams team Lebron. Brian Team John has been drafted. I'll give you both starting lineups and we'll also talk about some players. We thought were going to be traded. But weren't traded are thought my thoughts on that and more coming up next just tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than our podcast. Bliss with endless hours of podcast Harvard's from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football football and so much more so stop flirted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast cast is whatever may be visit. WWW DOT GS MC podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download us on itunes soundcloud and Google play. Welcome back to the SEC. Basketball podcast last segment. You talked about the Andre Drummond getting trade literally nothing to have a Leila's nonetheless will being traded the big deal to Minnesota for Andrew Weekends and how that looks the both of those teams moving forward and also the Miami. Get pick up Andrea Agudelo and more from the Memphis Grizzlies. So as you can tell. Both teams A lot of teams make a lot of chaos moves. I told you a lot of stuff happens on the trade deadline day everybody makes moves everybody shouting better. It's just constant all over the place nonstop action a lot of trade news. We have more coming up. But we're GONNA get into the all-star draft that was tonight's huma versus team. Jon Starting lambs have been selected. I will tell you both starting lineup starting with team. Lebron the starters for team Lebron obviously the Bron- next next in the starting lineup. Anthony Davis obviously he was. He was the bronze second. Pick which you you would expect because Obviously that's that's that's his guy Then Jaanus took dylan me so jealous. Starting with honest. Lebron came back Leonard. Then Siachen was picked By Janas than doctors was picked by Ron then Kimba was picked by Jaanus then harden was picked by heart by Lebron trae young was picked by Jaanus Dame little it was put by Lebron. Always give out the rest of them for both teams on each side for the rest of the team. Lebron Damian Lillard Ben. Simmons didn't Nikola Jokic tatum. Jason Tatum Chris Pau Russell Westbrook and some bonus on the rest of the Yana side of things Middleton of bio. Go Burt Jimmy. Butler cow lowry Brandon Ingram and Donovan Mitchell. Now if you look at these teams I think air by saying the same thing in the broad one for the second year in a row. It's kind of weird. It makes it Kinda slow time stink. Maybe if this just like scripted because you would just stay. Why is it that the bronze team looks so much more dominant than the is is is is really not picking a you had a chance has to pick these guys from the Bronx I? How do you him over the EU kind of confused? Like how do you pick this person over this person. It makes you look like Latino abroad. She flew win this game. I'll be I mean obviously doing a different type of all star game this year. Obviously doing Kobe Trivia obviously both teams wearing both his daughter and Kobe's number So you know it's one of those things where I think it's going to be interesting to see what happens Honest honest you need to work on your GM skills. If you play to K- you play franchise mode. I'm blue worried about how you're building the mall of the team. It was actually interesting if you think about it. If what have player place franchisee mobile his team because it's like if he trade certain guys like Oh so does that. Is that how you feel in real life. Potentially anybody like I don't like playing with him. I like play the game. Something like that but Yeah Y- honest used to work on his Drafting skills I mean. Listen it's kind of weird kind of makes you realize how big the deficit from the top players are linked to the bottom. All these players are all stars. But did you just feel like the the. The the honest team is so significant in terms of talent to them because it feels like the Broncos all the highest end players where Janas picked a lot of the the good but all star players would not like superstar reserved areas outside of him and Embiid embiid. You know what you're going to get from him one night basis so it's a very interesting I think situation We'll have to see what happens going into it so obviously like I said those you're starting your teams for both team. Lebron team you honest this now. We're going to get into some news and just talk about some players that were on the trademark it potentially could have been traded but weren't traded my thoughts and opinions obviously first person will start with dare Roze de Rosas and a lot of people's talking four getting traded because he emerged as a very top he was probably one of the top trade eight options out there in terms of talent in terms of players that are playing very well I feel like that they they have that that the tweet probably felt like you dare grows has another year of us so we really didn't have to trade him now but maybe this offseason potentially Trade maybe next SPOI- by next trade deadline he traded. They have a lot of options leeway here of their grows. I'm sure teams teams called about Derrick rose and wanted to get their road on. I'm sure of it. I'm I'm absolutely sure there were him embracing him into who I know so I mean we're going to have to see what happens with Derrick rose going into the future obviously another player that was talked about Yoga Nari. He was kept by the Oklahoma City Thunder. He's at one of his best years. He's been healthy. And he's on a very affordable contracts contracts. Obviously he was a guy who I was peopling shooters versatile guys. He was a guy that a lot of people felt like could could go get picked up by him Obviously they didn't so. I think that was very interesting. That they didn't actually go and pick him up. Nobody did I think he would have been great dishes in teen it. which is one of those things where you kind of have to see? I guess maybe Oklahoma City felt like I mean unless they get a trade. Hey deal that kind of blew their mind. It was better for them to probably stand pat. Keep who they're having to go moving forward with the same talent that they've had in the last couple of years and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If I'm Oklahoma City this would probably be how I would feel about it. 'cause you never WanNa make a necessary very trades if you don't you don't feel like you're under pressured I move in trade. Do all these different things. Because you don't WanNa be made or forced into a bad decision and obviously obviously the thunder and Detroit felt like their positioning. We didn't want to get a tray that we've seen. I was going to benefit us so we were not going to pull the trigger and we decided to go go ahead and keep them were. We'll have to see what happens during the debt line and see how it actually ends up. Turns also also cow COSMA. Obviously he was a big name that people were thinking the Lakers the the only real legitimate trade asset they have you know people were looking at potentially them getting rid of cow Kouzmin UH They kept him. I think it was a good decision. I think you need that. I think is the only other player who can get his own shot on the team and Dan yes he can be a little sporadic yes he has holding his game but what young player doesn't and I just think that you never know how really come up with these guys. When you at least expected you never know you really? Don't I mean he has all they have all the talent in the world to be very successful You know I think we'll have to see how the chemistry everything works with Caucus Mona team. And we'll have to see how things turn out with CAL. WHO's Mona team? Obviously maybe he can get were like more adjusted to his role in the starting lineup. With the Lakers. I mean starting lineup into rotating the bench with the Lakers. And we're going to have to just see what kind kinda happens in that regard calicoes. I like him. I think a lot of teams would love to have him. I know how hard teams teams press. Warm we'd haven't gotten any reports about anybody who's really gone out of their way to get him but I'm sure the Lakers had discussions with multiple teams uh-huh and people were wondering well who's going to go pick them up. WHO's going to go make that that big deal to get him and things like that so we're going to have to definitely keep an eye on that situation in La Obviously was also in the contract for another year too. So maybe this isn't over yet always like to say if if you were maybe considered cheating trade at the trade deadline depending on how this ends for Kyle Kuzma. He might be still on the market next year. Going to next year's trae dollar even over offseason depending on what happens with the Lakers season in how he plays so. We're going to have to definitely stay tuned for that You know like I said I mean in General Blaker Standard Pat at the trade deadline. Make any type of move so we would. We would have to definitely see what the future holds for. Calcium in the Lakers and hopefully them seeing pat trade deadline will work Out For them when it comes to winning you know 'cause Calculus struggles in the Lakers lose. You know it Kinda you Kinda you're GonNa sit there and think could their days potentially be numbered in the in. La with with the Lakers but coming up next. We're GONNA talk about who I think won the trade deadline who I think. Got It better. Who who I think? Maybe the themselves as much. We'll talk about all that and more right here on the podcast. Are you looking to get your college football. Beck's looking to get the latest news on your favorite school dean. The Diaz Empty College football podcast is your ticket to all all things college football doing us as we talk college football from the National Championship. The college rivalries the bowl game to the heisman trophy. So which converts is. It's the best we've got you covered for the big ten as these the Big Twelve the PAC twelve acc and everything in between download the Gsee College College football podcast on Itunes Stitcher soundcloud. Google play or anywhere you find God gas just type Diaz empty in the search bar. Welcome back that. CVS and the best ballpark segment talked about what we see Pat Prize advised impact shot in certain players were traded. I need like a couple of also talking about the all-star Lineup Stanford Traffic Nineteen abroad and Tian I gave you both lineups in the last segment so if you want to know the players who were drafted the both teams go. Check that out. Now we're GonNa talk about some of the winners and losers of the trade deadline for every trait. I feel there is a winner in there is a loser. So really the major trade. You'll decide who won that basically win the day or who lost a day. We're GONNA START WITH MINNESOTA BIG MINNESOTA trade the Golden State Warriors. I do believe that Minnesota one that trade I think Minnesota didn't have to give up to. They gave up stuff but they feel like they got the guy they wanted that they feel like fits with Kara towns. Because the thing about edgy weakens when he was was on the team is he's a small forward so they always kind of had that whole at point. Russell is a guy who can get you twenty game. Who can in your work really well off the pick and roll it? He would probably work very well. Carin towns swiping Minnesota was able to get one of the best audience they could potentially get which which I think would help them in the future. So you know I think that Minnesota one that trade so I think they won the trade deadline for them. I've been golden state. They also won. This is one of the traits that you feel both teams one even though maybe you feel like they could have gotten slightly more back in return. Yep think about it. It's all about the future for goes date. You still have a star on your teenager. Wiggins is not a scrub. And you pair him with Darrell title Russell Steph Curry and Klay when he gets back assuming that we assume that they're planning on keeping wiggins that's three stars right there and then we'll see what happens. Draymond green this off season how they fill out the rest of the team. We'll see what happens when win. They make the adjustments that are necessary to the team. If they can maybe get a Yoenis remember they were also maybe looking at trying to it. Carl but I think that's obviously unlikely. Now this point the warriors have all the papers especially probably getting a very high lottery draft pick to be very competitive with if that team next year with those three players and maybe potentially the one over a draft pick in next year's draft coming to them and that probably could be your big four for for the future for the Golden State Warriors. 'cause they're one of the best teams in the League at planning ahead building ahead and being ready for that next wave of years to be competitive where other teams team sometimes thinking about the now team lost Troy Pistons. They didn't get anything back for Andre Drummond Um and they didn't trade derrick rose to maybe make up for the composition nicotine get with Andre Drummond so overall they didn't really improve the future in a really didn't improve now. Oh they just got worse so I feel like this. This really hurt them and I think that they are pretty much a team that has lost at the trade deadline. I mean again like I told you maybe it was just hold out for a better. Deal actually got progressively worse than they had to take him take whatever they could get because they want him to leave but I mean they just they. Maybe it was was was possible and doable Obviously we'll have to see you know obviously overall what's next in the future so you know it's going to be very interesting to see that moving into the future WHAT MINNESOTA DOES DETROIT tries to do to rectify this situation? Ration- baby try to get better hall next year. Maybe we'll have to see. Derrick rose but glad to see us as a loser for me the clippers winners today. I think the clippers improve. Their team made their team versatile made themselves just a better overall team. And when you do that I feel like you've done everything that you can do to get yourself ready to make that playoff run into beaten team that people think you're going to have to go to get to the NBA finals the La Lakers. They've improved as a team. And that's basically what you would want. All all times is to improve as a team and so that really is absolutely fantastic. They were able to pick up. Marcus Morris an atom immediately group Borel on the lineup more versatile and absolutely absolutely give up absolutely nothing in the process. So I feel you obviously. That's obviously great addition on there and also I feel like the seventy sixers one also at the deadline getting to shoes. Who is that's what they need? They need it. They had a need got two guys which can help extend their lineup and then give them enough shooting new would. I'm Yonge of the of the day. They got what they were lacking now they have to work now. The chemistry has to improve and they have to fix. What potentially they've been missing about of? They've been missing throughout the the off season and fixing what's been a lingering issue can indeed in Simmons work together. I feel like Houston lost because I feel like yeah. You have a small ball teen gene but is it worth is. Was it worth giving up. Clint Caparo and nee for Robert Covington. Just say okay. We're going to a small ball lineup. And that's it's how we're GONNA WIN Games. That's how we doing championship. We're just GONNA small buyer by death. I mean it's crazy experiment and all you can do right now. Kinda say it's not gonNA work but we'll have to see if it actually does end up working or not working. We really can't judge it till we see results in how it actually actually goes on the floor and so we're going to have to see about that the day but I thought this as I understand the NBA today which I thought was is only be NBA. I gotTA at least give a couple minutes of some college basketball. He's got informed about some the biggest games coming up. Also this weekend and we're GONNA talk about this a big imagine on Friday night Maryland versus Illinois's nine versus twenty eight o'clock on Fox. Sports is going to be in Champaign State Farm Center Know Illinois's coming offer loss Eight hundred last ten Maryland wouldn't winners of last five eighty two in the last ten. So obviously that's a big match up coming in you know. Both teams are looking at impressive wind. Continue to help their resume going into the future. Obviously the Saturday Games big game those SEC SEC actually the number one team in the SEC is the Lsu Tigers from a conference record perspective over the Clemson. I mean not comes up with Auburn Tigers. It's it's a Tigers Tiger's ESPN twelve o'clock noon game Auburn's on a five game winning streak. LSU DIGITS LOSE THEIR LAST GAME so so obviously they're looking for this game to bounce back and play better and contributed a better level Obviously you know both teams are just trying to get a solidified fide headstart in the SEC is obviously being an SEC west and then if in Sports College Basketball Age really helps everything out. Obviously big match up Michigan state versus Michigan. Obviously Michigan State lost last game. They lost two zero to be matter of fact six four in their last ten a lot of alumni former players calling out the basketball players it made is oh have to go out of his way and talk and say hey. It's not like we're we're five in twenty sixteen eighteen seven so let's not sit up here and act like we. The whole sky is falling. Because we've awesome games. Obviously Michigan Sky was following the four and six in the last ten they lost last game. they wrapped grace. Start the beginning season if kind of fell off a little bit so this'll be a great game for both teams untuckit Tennessee. Obviously another big game talkies looking. You Know Oh to play well and really just bounced back from their lockers Auburn You know just getting a compressive when he gets Tennessee team. That's not to be overlooked and taken lightly Seton Hall Villanova. Both teams. You know Villanova's lost two straight seeing one one as well versus ten matchup You know seen halls nine eleven one and allows games and this is big new matchup for Nova to kind of bounce back from the loss. Asia suffered and to get back on a good winning track. Obviously we have the big game game between Duke and UNC recs perspective. It doesn't look that way 'cause UNC hasn't been the has not look good all your y'all but now they've gotten their five star group back and you know hopefully maybe Klay Anthony can change some things. They've lost two zero two zero three seven the last ten duke looking like one of the best teams in the nation. And you feel like they have all the reasons of the world still be looked at as that because it's the Duke Blue Devils and they've been the most consistent but that's all we have today on the GMC basketball podcast. I'm your host price Louis. Thank you for listening. Thank you Lee. 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"This CNBC podcast is sponsored by capital group home of American funds. Their long-term approach helps. You say I can't find a firm. With nearly ninety years of experience navigating market volatility visit capital group, dot com slash market volatility American. Funds Distributors Inc... I I'M NBC producer Katie. Kramer one of the voices behind the NBC podcast Squawk Pot in these times of uncertainty. We WanNa make sure. We're bringing you our listeners as much information as possible as quickly as we can. That's why we're sharing with you now. A CNBC special report markets in turmoil listen. Good evening I'm Scott Wapner on day, one hundred, Fifty, eight of the corona virus crisis tonight, the great divide how the stock market can be so good while the economy is still so bad. One hundred, hitting an all time high stock market's recovery, more robust, many font possible, initial jobless claims, one point, eight, seven, seven, million, the story off of Wall Street is very different tonight, getting to the bottom of the disparity plus eibar taking on South West flying anonymously one. CEO's remarkable story of what happened when he flew coach in the back of the plane and the return of two major parts of the USA basketball. I'm begging us. This CNBC special report begins right now. Here's Scott Wapner. Welcome, it's good to have you with us. On this Thursday night on a day when the S&P five hundred and Nasdaq snap four day win streaks. Let's take our first. Look this evening at futures. How the day on Friday may go and we are slightly higher, though obviously it is still very early as for today, some disappointing jobs data kept a lid on things on Wall Street, still the Dow managing to scratch out a small gain towards the end of the day as I said the S&P NASDAQ ended lower earlier in the session. The Nasdaq one hundred. Hundred, which are the biggest one hundred stocks in that index, hit an all-time high before big tech sold off alphabet, Microsoft facebook, apple and Amazon all weighing on the Nasdaq today markets hitting these new highs in the midst of a pandemic and protests around this country on the eve of what is expected to be another terrible jobs report. Why isn't Wall Street reflecting the pain on Main Street? Bill Rogers is a professor of public policy at Rutgers University. Anthony Scaramucci, the founder and CO managing partner at Skybridge capital both with us, gentlemen good to have you tonight. And Anthony I begin with you when people ask you. How's it possible that the stock market is where it is? What do you tell them? I tell them that there's a water wall of liquidity. It's not a bazooka. Scott. It's like literally agreeing to Nami washing over the United States two point one trillion dollars injected since the crisis another one point nine million by the Fed to be injected over the next fourteen. Months. You and I are good friends with Cooper. He was my old boss at Goldman. We were talking about this three or four weeks ago. Some of the elder statesmen are nervous about the markets. Don't like the markets in terms of fundamentals, but it's irrefutable that the liquidity is driving the market and the adage that don't fight the Fed is living with us right. Right now bill it's this great. Disconnect the great divide whatever you WANNA, call it! You Have Wall Street. Hitting these incredible milestones, the best fifty day run for the S. and P. Five hundred in its history at a time where we're talking about thirty million Americans out of work the confirmation yet again of where we are, we'll come tomorrow with the jobs report. Yeah. Well, you have to situations where the stock market or the Nasdaq and the S&P day are they represent their leading indicators while the indicators. We're GONNA see tomorrow with the job. Support are lagging indicators of. The stock market, those those indices they capture current and future prices, and expected expected in built on expectations, which I think were embedded in Anthony's. Anthony's comment that particularly one like the Federal Reserve has said that they will backstop and help out and assist in provide liquidity for the for these companies large companies, but on Main Street when we've tried to provide a assistance whether it be unemployment, insurance or the triple P.. The paycheck protection program I. It was. It was just poorly done, and so there's into so that's why we're seeing some lagging. Responses within with on Main Street but. The the the stock market or these indices will update if you see the Fed changing stances, or if we see that going forward, we're not going to get a fourth Recovery type of packaged particularly for state and local governments. Those kinds of negative news will will I think have an impact on the on the indices? Run that they're having unless Anthony. You can start to make a case that the economy's bottomed I. mean some of the jobs data as bad and as depressing as it is could suggest that the worst of this crisis may be behind us. Well certainly, there's a lot of analysts that think that we think that it skybridge. Our economic team thinks that I'd be curious to see what professor Rogers says, but thinking about the PCP as flawed as it was the Treasury Department is saying that forty one million jobs are tied to the. Skybridge. Team is saying about seventeen million people Scott. The are unemployed as part of that forty one million. When the economy goes back on those people, those covenants require them to hire those people back. You'll see a very positive delta that will be good for credit markets. I think the stock market is already pricing that. But you and I both know that the credit mortgage are not pricing that last point without the Fang stocks Microsoft S and P five hundred down about nine percent. We've seen seventeen percent year to date Fang Plus M. And so that tells you how narrow this. Bull market is Scott although you know bill, you can make the case professor you look at now. It's broadened out. You have this so-called recovery trade. You have stocks that were seemingly left for dead, which have had tremendous gains of late on the fact that the economy is reopening Mark Zandi yesterday after a pretty decent ADP report, which was a beat. Yes, it was depressing. But nonetheless better than expectations, he all, but declared the cove nineteen recession over. Well I. Hesitant to declare it over because there are two potential headwinds out there that that could lead to a resurgence in in in the virus, which I hope doesn't happen. number one is the protesters that we've been seeing over the last six six to seven nights You don't see a lot of people practicing social distancing and in an. Talked about today and barons I urge people to be and I support people protesting peacefully, but but but there is a great deal of moving out there, and so we need to see and use our be ready to our contract tracing and the next two weeks. Just, in case we do get an outbreak also some work that I just have done to I've found that states that. Earlier with regards to beginning to move to stage one stage two stage three with the reopening, they actually have been trending poorly in some of these key indicators such as hitting. They're hitting their. They're testing targets or Poorly in terms of. The amount of virus that people are getting infected, so those are two potential headwinds to wear I. To hope that this tomorrow's report for May is the worst, but if we don't continue to get the P. to employers employers, so they can create safe and fair workplaces and consumers can be confident about going shopping, and that we and that they don't that they also they don't. If they don't get their testing infrastructure, put together this may not make. Tomorrow's results may not be the worst, but but I I'm hoping that people in companies and And the and the federal government and state local governments are we're all doing the right thing, and and enrolling all in the same direction to help us move forward Anthony you in the professor make good points. It's well understood why we are where we are because of this money that's been injected into the economy by the Federal Reserve and the federal government. The question though does become. Are we too complacent? Are we counting on things going better than they may? You know I don't think so because if you look at the magnitude of the stimulus and you calculate the economic loss. It's sort of. It's an overwhelming thing. I think we're I'm worried about it and I would imagine professor Rogers as worried. About is the evenness of the deployment. I think we can say after the global financial crisis in two thousand eight. The monetary policy helped the people that had the assets. The the lower and middle class people struggled I. Think what I'm worried about is the unevenness of the deployment. The economy will come back. The numbers will be there Scott, but we'll. Rising disposable income happened the middle class, and for the lower middle-class. All three of US know that that is sorely needed to sort of reduce the national angst. That's out there. There right now. Professor your thoughts on that it is, it is a great concern that you only exacerbate problems that have already existed between or around income inequality. You have those investors or the investor class making all of this money back while there are still as I said at the outset, some thirty million of our fellow citizens who are out of work. Yeah now, you, Anthony and you make a great point and. I've been doing some work with a local united way in Jersey called United Way of northern New Jersey and we created this concept called Alice where Alice for asset, limited income constrained employed, and it's basically how also that are. Many are above poverty, but they don't have enough resources to make ends meet in their community, and we have about thirty five to thirty eight percent of our households in New Jersey, and this is we think it's similar across the nation and and that that that have this challenge. And so one of the things I've also really enjoyed with working on the governor's restart commission is commitment to to having an inclusive recovery such that we don't replay the types of of recovery in the past where we continue to have a growing income and schism, and it's becoming really hit that tipping point to where we're starting to see many of. Of our institutions and our infrastructure, our ways of life about how we communicate with other each other and work with each other, and in our communities that that's becoming a part coming apart because of this growing schism between the haves, and the have nots and in particular where we've seen this of middle class shifting down and having more experiences like many. Many African Americans have which they were protesting. with regards to Mr Floyd Gentlemen. And! That's why we see so much more diversity in the ranks of the of the peaceful protesters. It's because. Yes, there are racial and ethnic and gender issues that need to be sorely address, but these challenges that these groups have been facing over across generation now really are affecting a broader swath of the American public. I appreciate the conversation professor. Thank you that's bill. Rodgers joining US Anthony. SCARAMUCCI, our thanks to you as well, we'll talk to both the now to the health part of this crisis tonight Dr. Dr Scott Gottlieb, the former head of the FDA now a CNBC contributor Dr Gottlieb's good to see you again. Let's begin with pick up the conversation. We're just having the stock. Market is where it is because it assumes that the economy is going to have a fairly quick recovery. How are you feeling about where we are in terms of the virus, and how cities are getting back to business? Picking up on that conversation it's hard to see the real economy just snapping back. We've talked on this show about eighty percent economy with the marginal consumer doesn't come back to certain endeavors until there's a vaccine and I think that that's that's a possibility here that you're going to have eighty percent economy restored, but restaurants aren't going to be booming. entertainment venues aren't going to be booming movie. Theaters aren't going to be booming amusement parks. Parks and that's an important part of the economy. When you look at the hospitality segment of this economy as well as some work, some office work isn't going to get fully restored until we get to a better place with the spread of this virus, and we're likely to have persistent spread through the summer at least enough to keep the marginal consumer more at home than they otherwise would have been and looking to the fall I think. Think we really face the prospect of another cycle with this virus? The good news is we're GONNA get to the other side of this. There will be technological solution. We will have a vaccine. We're GONNA get to hurt immunity. We're going to put this behind us, but I think we need to contend with persistent spread through this summer, and in one more cycle with this in the fall, and whether that's just large outbreaks and pervasive spread. Spread or we experienced a true second wave of an epidemic hard to tell right now, but this is GonNa be with us for a while well one of the issues, the epidemic as as you discuss it, it continues to expand as we speak, and you cited today a Morgan Stanley study, which said so in terms of the number of new cases. We're seeing every day which are probably as you suggested last night still under reported. Right and if you look state by state, you see states that have expanding epidemics Arizona Texas. Arkansas North Carolina Wisconsin Minnesota I'm you're seeing? Cases George seeing cases go up hospitalizations go up and the most concerning thing is to see that hospitalization data go up, and so at this point in this in this cycle in this epidemic, we should have been coming down the curve more aggressively. And what Morgan Stanley cited was relative to other nations. We've had sort of persistent spread this persistent plateau, and we really haven't crushed the virus, and because we haven't crushed the virus heading into the fall. We're going to have a lot of infection here. That's going to be the conduit for outbreaks and. and spread going into the fall, so we have a much more dangerous platform that we're coming off of I don't I. Don't think we're going to have a major outbreak this summer I. Think we're going to get that breeder that we talked about. Because there is a seasonal effect here, but what the seasonal effect is basically going to do is mitigate the spread. That's already underway, so maybe it's a wash. Maybe we continue at twenty thousand infections a day that we're turning over, but we never really get below that that's a distinct possibility, and if we take twenty thousand infections a day into the fall, which as you said is really probably two hundred thousand infections because we're not diagnosing. Mild symptomatic infections, so a lot of infection around the country to ignite chains of transmission and potentially new epidemic. I don't know that I don't I don't do market commentary and look at how the markets discounting future risk, but it doesn't feel like the markets fully discounted future risk right now, looking out to the fall. I don't know you may have a career. As a market analyst is well on the backside of this. You're doing pretty well with that. Let's talk about what the CDC. Said today said it's quote very concerned that it's warnings. Headed about distance and Max Masks, so I'm wondering your feelings about what the had to say today and frankly the fact that the CDC had anything to say today Dr Gottlieb because the fact of the matter is. We haven't heard very much from the CDC of late. Well. The CDC Director Bob. Redfield a friend of mine testified before Congress. Today I think the point about masks is very real. The incremental information that we've gotten in subsequent data shows that universal masking really seems to help reduce spread, and so if we can get more people wearing masks, it could reduce the obamacare. One study came out and said that sixty percent of people were mask that sixty percent effective could effectively get the are the reproduction rate below one, which means instead of an expanding epidemic. You have a contracting epidemic. You've basically started to shrink. The scope of spread I think what the problem is dealing with a population that a lot of people are just exhausted. We've been inside for three months. We've been social distancing and a lot of people are getting exhausted by these measures, and so you're going to see some natural relaxation among individuals who just don't do the same things that they've done before and we need to take. Take that into our public health assumptions. If we're being rational from a public health standpoint, we need to understand. It's hard to keep this going for six to twelve months in a row I'm and that's why you see sort of a phased reopening, trying to reintroduce things that improve quality of life and give people a sense of normalcy about their lives, but there's certain things that. That we should just try to continue to do, and I think the masking is one of those things. It's not that hard to remember to wear a mask and tried to wear it when you're out in public and groups, and that's one invention of fairly simple intervention, fairly inexpensive intervention. That could probably have a big impact I'd like to get you on the record tonight if If I could Dr Gottlieb on what the Lancet did today. Retracting that study on hydroxy chloroquine that said it doesn't benefit a covert patients. I'm wondering what you make of of what happened today again. If for the reminder this drug, the president said he was taking in the one that he touted on numerous occasions. What should we take from what happened at the land set today? Well I think we shouldn't rely on the findings of that study There's other studies. When it came out, yesterday showed no. No benefit from taking it prophylactically, so taking it to try to prevent yourself from getting sick. There's other studies underway looking at whether or not it could be beneficial in the treatment of patients who actively have Cova had some pretty big rigorous studies that are placebo controlled randomized studies well-constructed studies. There's been interim looks no studies which means that the data safety monitoring boards. Those studies took a peek at the interim data, and they allow those studies to continue, and so what that suggests is that there is not a strong sense that the drug would be hurting anyone because if there was a strong signal at the drug was. was hurting more people than it was helping. They would have stopped those studies and those studies are continuing I think those are going to provide a more definitive answer on whether or not hydroxy chloroquine is providing a benefit that outweighs its risks. My hunch is that if it is beneficial, it's going to be a week benefit because we've had enough now and enough experience with it to suggest that it's not wildly beneficial its benefits if there are benefits is probably weak enough that it takes a very big definitive study to tease them out. Does this change your view? Though from a doctor's perspective on whether patients should use it. Well we've we've Long said in an FDA's recommendations. Now are that people shouldn't be using it outside of a clinical trial, I believe the FDA has said that, but other other public health groups have clearly stated that that you should be using clerk outside of clinical trial, and a lot of opposite pulled away from using it. It was being widely prescribed initially in new. New. York City in fact, some of some of the observational studies show that sixty percent of people who are being admitted to the ers on average. We're getting hydroxy chloroquine. Most doctors have pulled away from widespread use of it and a lot of doctors. I know we're taking it themselves prophylactically. That stopped as well because I think by and large physicians weren't seeing what. What they thought was a really robust treatment effect here to merit using it outside of a clinical trial. Let's run through a couple of tweets if we could, and it's the second one on our list for for those playing in the in the control room for tonight, so we put up the right one because we are thinking about Dr Gottlieb sports returning Texas, now. Now saying you can have fifty percent capacity at venues. We have a question from summer in Los Angeles if sporting events open to fans this fall without medical advance. How many seats would you want empty around you in each direction? It's an interesting question as we think about whether we'll even be able to be in a venue, and then what? It's GonNa. Look like. Well, look one would be nice if you can. If you can have it I think the bigger risk inside a sports venue is the coming and going. You need to be mindful of queuing up and getting into crowds. That's probably the bigger risk. And the last one when when will businesses and schools be able to buy cheap tests for pooling testing, so they can test all employees, and maybe all customers couldn't stop Kobe before vaccines, therapies. That's coming online right now and some. Some venues using next generation sequencing I'm on the board of Alumina, which provides the technology for that because it's more sensitive tool for looking at. Let's say one hundred pooled samples at once we you can screen very large populations Dr by day. Dr Stock analysts by Dr Gottlieb. We appreciate it as always we'll see EVAC. Thought are, be sure to watch the halftime report tomorrow at noon Eastern speaking of doctors Dr Anthony Fauci, joining US look forward to that interview tomorrow on a big night for the NBA we have Atlanta Hawks owner grant hill. He's coming up next along with this. Diva Las Vegas. The fountains Iran the alcohol is flowing, and the cards are being. Don't we're talking to one of the first couples to return next? Plus knowing what to do requires some conversations. Take Place I wait until you see what happened to this line CEO when he flew in the back of the played. Before the break images from across the country on this Thursday June fourth. This CNBC podcast is sponsored by capital group home of American funds. Their long-term approach helps you say I can't find a firm with nearly ninety years of experience navigating market volatility visit capital group Dot. com slash market volatility. American Funds Distributors Inc... Welcome back the NBA Board of Directors approving the Board of Governors did today. The League's return to play with a plan of twenty two teams set to square off in Orlando Florida in July just next month. Grant Hill is a part owner of the Atlanta Hawks joins US live tonight grant. Welcome back to CNBC. It's nice to see you. As having looks like we're going to do this. So what's your reaction to the NBA coming back and what happened today with the vote? Well I. Don't think it's too much of a surprise. Certainly the news of the last few weeks I think we all felt we were moving in that direction, but I know. The League has his work tirelessly with the players with public health officials with disease, doctors and I've been mapped out a strategy to not compromise players and coaches. As we sort resume, play late, July, I know you have a couple of hats you wear. Co Owners, one former player, obviously from a player's perspective. How do you think the players are feeling tonight? Knowing that they're going to be back, but knowing that there are still going to be virus risks around the game. It was a great question. You know I i. do know throughout this whole process. Chris Paul the President of the Players Association. Has Been in constant contact with the union with its members. Also with Adam Silver And the NBA, so it's really been a collaborative process to get to this point. I'm sure there's been a tremendous amount of reservations, but I I think everyone has an understanding that. They're going to be as careful and as diligent as possible. Everything from you know where they're staying to other transported to and from venues, even the proper protocols in measures, Locker Room, and on the court Obviously you're gonNA do everything you can to keep everyone healthy and safe. An have have contingency plans. In case, someone does test positive, but. By in large from from what I'm hearing, all indications for the most part players are ready to. You know to go forward with this. Move forward and. I've talked to a few players, not just with the Hawks players are that I've known and play with currently still on the League, and they're pretty pretty fired up and excited about getting back out there and flat I bet. What do you make of the Commissioners Leadership Adam? Silver through all this was the first out. If you will to to pull his his league from play, and now he will be the first in terms of a major professional sports league to return. Well you know I think right now. There's been a void of leadership. In our country I'm proud of of the you know. The leadership displayed by by the sports community, and of course, obviously highlighting Adam silver, and you go back to March Lebanon and as we were still. Processing News Kobe nineteen and trying to understand. ITS IMPACT He was the first after. Rudy Gobert tested positive. And he pulled out, and that was bold at the top, and I think people were still trying to internalize in digest everything and and so after a lot of deliberation a lot of consultation. A lot of tough. Decisions that needed to be. Discussed in in formulated. We're moving forward right now, so I think that's according to their leadership and I'm proud that it seen on the sport that I've. been a part of my entire life I want to ask you about the events of the past couple of weeks. The ones I know that that you're referring to in in the remarks that you. Just made. That the sports world has. To all of this and again as I mentioned, you have the perspective now of an owner I'm wondering what you think. The ownership message should be at a time like this, and if you're a player, what message do you need to hear? Well I I've been proud in his players in all sports, but particularly in basketball in the sport that I live in players have have used their their voice and their platforms to address challenges and issues, and in particular. What's happened over the course of the last couple of weeks? There's been a tremendous amount of access and sharing of information, keeping each other informed and speaking out against these injustices. So. That's something that's fantastic. I think in terms of of of of organizations franchises in the NBA we have the same duty and responsibility and and so I think we all have to acknowledge that it's a problem in the problem you know. We is racist that that's the issue s the problem. That's the root of the problem that's been going on and. So we have to address it, and then we have to do more than just that. We have to figure out how we can be part of the solution, and so I'm proud with the Atlanta Hawks were having a town hall meeting tomorrow at all of our employees virtual townhall meeting. All of our employees are part time employees people work in the arena We're having open candid. non-judgmental conversation and you know people are going to talk from all walks of life, but also it's important that we listen, and we take the time to try to understand and try to feel We're all feeling, but what we all have experienced and the pain and we're going through it so. We look we. We have a duty. We have a visibility. As a sports league as a sports franchise, and as athletes, and I believe with that comes a huge responsibility. To address the problems in work, you know feverishly to try to try to fix them and make a difference grant be well. We'll talk to you again soon. I appreciate your time tonight. All right. Thank you all right. That's the NBA Hall of Famer and now co owner of the Atlanta Hawks Grant Hill Las Vegas. Casinos, reopening today for the first time in nearly three months as the Bellagio opened its doors and restarted its famous fountains today visitors applauded and pour it in same thing could be seen at the MGM Grand Caesar's Win and others, big crowds and long socially distanced. Distanced lines but gamblers are finding. It's an all new vegas half empty casinos, more detailed, housekeeping no-shows and gallons of hand sanitizer, one couple wasting no time hitting the Strip again Tanya and Davor Nellie or travel bloggers made sure they were in Vegas where its grand reopening, and they are live with us tonight from the WYNN hotel. It's so good to have you. Tanya and Dave Welcome. Thank you. I'm dying to know Tanya. How does it look? What was it like? Merry Christmas now. It was very interesting you know. We got here the night before the reopening third very quiet. It's still very quiet here on the strip. Compared to what usual Las Vegas would look like, but they started the reopening in the downtown. Fremont area I and it was. It was quite exciting. It was definitely a a little bit on the crowded inside as the night went on, they had opening up twelve or one with a few of their choice. CASINO RESORTS AND And it was it was quite interesting to see not always the opening the energy was kind of Hind by rent, obviously a city that similar to new. York City that never sleeps which you know silent for quite some time you can obviously understand the eagerness for folks to get back into the swing of things here. Honestly safely I of course a Dave, any trepidation whatsoever on your Antonio's parts. It'd be back in Las Vegas at the beginning and see how this was going to go. Well, certainly, we are cautious. We wear masks and. Use, a lot of alcohol sanitation, all of that and make sure social distance, so we definitely take very seriously but at the same time we also believe we need to start somewhere and. We really believe in what the Las Vegas Strip casinos have been doing a lot of time, stated precautions and social things. We want to support that as well and get out here. Support the employees and the we love. Las Vegas is coming out here at the star was born to us. What do you make though Tanya? The fact from what we understand the video that we've seen today. It's not required that you wear a mask inside the casino. That's a bit of an interesting dynamic with. Right now, but I do believe that's anywhere. I think that's something even at the airports. It's not mandated that you are physically require. The can't force it upon us so I do believe it's it really comes down to us as individuals to really heat the guidance, they can put the rules in place, but it's up to us to follow those rules and guidance to keep everyone safe, so you know I think it's important for you know. Obviously we do have to start somewhere, but it's Kinda one of those times we start somewhere. We all have to start somewhere. which definitely requires US ought to take those guidelines into perspective I mean. Mean they put them in place obviously so that they can start opening the doors, so we have to meet them on that other side of the fence and follow those rules. You guys are about the best experts to talk to in terms of travel, I suppose in this country right now. Dave, let me what are your thoughts on where we are from travel standpoint where you're gonNA. Go next and how long you think it's going to take before. Other people are as comfortable as you. Guys are to get on a plane and go somewhere. It's interesting because. Tiniest Senate is very important for folks to wear masks, especially planes and we want to see that as well. We encourage that the best we can. And I know it like airlines are pushing more and more to make sure that made that mandatory as much as possible, and that's very important, and we actually feel we're very very careful. Be Tried to create that distance now. We've had the benefit of not being on really packed flights yet. Right so things really pick flights. Get more packed. Obviously, that's a little bit a different situation, but right now start I mean we've been able to really maintain that social distancing itself. How long does it take I? Think you know we'll have to. Tally time will tell really and also one of the results of these early stages, and you know obviously you have that two week period right so abby care and I still feel that the vegas capacity is still running at a fraction of what it would. So there's still a lot of fear in terms of that, so folks are anxious, but they wanna see. They WanNa see what's happening. You know we do feel like we are in a position where we can do loss. We're following the protocols. and we do feel especially where we're staying here at the way that they have definitely taken those steps a seriously and rigorously. Very impressive baton so again it's up to us as individuals that traveled to meet them. You know right in the middle and follow those protocols. We don't like them for right now to actually get back seen. Part of us all right we'll, we will all be living vicariously through both of you. Most importantly have fun. Be Safe, and we'll check back with you i. hope and see how this all went, and maybe where your next stop takes, you guys take care. I. Appreciate that wonderful. We are you as well. Here's what's coming up next on CNBC special report. On Airlines CEO's remarkable story about what happened when he was sitting unrecognized in the back of a plane on a recent flight and the big change from American universities. This isn't about social distancing. It's about something that's already changing. WHO GETS IN? That's two minutes away. Support for this podcast and the following message come from American Express. In eighteen, fifty of promise was made to back you in times of Plenty. N. during times like this, not promise still stands American. Express is proud to support small business owners through the sun precedent time, and whatever comes next. Help your small business. Get back to business visit. STAND FOR SMALL DOT Com. That's the powerful backing of American Express. Getting into college in the USA is about to change, plus it's something I've never ever. One business owners crazy twenty four hours learn the lessons of his great turnaround tonight. This CNBC special report continues once again. Here's Scott Wapner. Welcome back American Airlines CEO Doug. Parker, sharing an emotional discussion, he had with an African American flight attendant on a recent trip. Here's what he told CNBC's Philibeaux today. So I bought a ticket on South West flying anonymously with a mask on. And sitting toward the back, I brought a book on board. Read particularly given the events of today. that a board member had recommended to me. Called White Fragility It's challenging book about how? Racing American and white people in particular have trouble talking about race, and even those that those of us think we're progressive. The flights I walked in I. Guess I'm a caring unbeknownst. And with A. Little bit of time left in the flight. She came, and she was working up toward the front of the back to back sat down in the aisle where I was in the window and asked me about the book. said she saw me bring it on and just wanted to talk to me about it said she'd been going through. Struggling with this individual sharded talk to her about it, said you know. As Best I could. The what the book talks about is. We need to have these conversations. And then she started to cry. And it was it was it was I did my best to? To receive what was really a gift to me, she was she was. She's the one. Who started the conversation I have a voice. And those of us that are privileged. With leadership have I believe. A responsibility. To use that privilege that gift To breakdown bearish those that are less privileged. That was American Airlines CEO Doug Parker today right here on CNBC. Moving on as of two thousand nine, there were more than three hundred sixty nine thousand students from China enrolled in US colleges and universities, but because of uncertainties over the virus and other factors, thousands of Chinese students are deferring enrollment for the fall putting fifteen billion dollars in tuition money in question, bring in College, Admissions Consulting Sarah Harverson. She's the owner of Application Nation, Sarah. It's good to have you with US tonight. Ain't so much glad to be here kind of decline. Are We truly talking about tonight? It depends on the institution. It could be five ten fifteen twenty percent sometimes higher, so it's a significant portion of the undergraduate population at colleges and universities across the country. We're kind of schools. Are we talking about really a broad mix all across the United States? Public private highly selective all the way down to colleges with very high acceptance rates. This has been going on for twenty plus years. He's colleges. Universities have relied on Chinese students for so long for. The totals for high test scores full pay students so that they don't have to provide financial aid and merit scholarships to American students, so they are really a buying for the coming year and possibly more years to calm interesting point. Possibly for years to come to do, we think it might be temporary. Are We truly concerned? This could be lasting thing. Well, you know, we're looking at the fall class. The incoming freshman class and these colleges are wondering if these students are gonNA, come if they're going to be re issues, even if they're able to enroll and take online classes back in China, whose colleges are losing all that money for room, board dining, fans and all the other campus add on services that bring in a lot of tuition. Dollars are a lot of revenue to institution, but looking forward to the fall and following years. You know those admission staff. They have a responsibility to recruit those students in China in every college. College, admissions officers at least one maybe multiple people that are targeting all the recruitment efforts in traveling to China. You're not able to travel this. All those colleges could see a huge decrease in the number of applications. Sometimes, it's a couple of hundred. Sometimes, it's thousands of applications coming from China, and then ultimately that will impact their enrollment coming from abroad, because looking at the international student population, the biggest country outside the United States that provides applications students to American colleges is China and what you're saying is those students are typically paying full freight for lack of a better description. Nats rights got so you know per Chinese students they are willing to pay sometimes the full amount and most of the time. If colleges are targeting Chinese students, they're only admitting students who can pay the full amount sixty seventy eighty thousand dollars a year depending on the institution, especially a private institution, those colleges can't rely on the training. Students are going to be looking to American students been American families. They want need based financial aid. They want merit scholarships to me. That college experience much more affordable for their child. Also. Thinking about the fact that it does potentially open up a lot of spots for for us, families and kids from from this country to go to schools, they otherwise might not have gotten into. That's true, but if we're looking at the incoming freshman class, somebody's colleges still have active weightless. They're going to hold onto those weightless throughout the summer, but the longer those colleges way because they're not sure about those Chinese students coming to campus, Rabin able to enroll the harder is going to be to get an admitted student, the weightless to actually come those incoming freshman students. They've. To another institution, they found a roommate. They pick their classes. They done orientation. They may not say yes, but also we've seen a number of colleges, dozens and factor over the past month reopen their admissions process. So even if the deadline passed, January first were seen some colleges like Furman Muhlenberg. Dickinson Franklin Marshall. College opened up and start accepting applications at this late date I was dean of admissions at Franklin and. And Marshall for a period of time, I know that they get a lot of applications and students from China and so they are probably really scrambling, and that means that they have a gaffe. Their role it target is Yup. Is One is at one point, and they need to fill in that gap or students. If those Chinese students don't make it interesting story one, we'll continue to follow Sarah. Thank you. Thanks for having me good. Sarah Harverson joining US tonight a lot more ahead on this CNBC special report. Thank? Let me think outside the box next tonight. Turning Lemons into a business saving idea. This guy now has more employees than he did. When the crisis began his story next. Before the break our world on day, one, hundred, Fifty, eight of the pandemic. 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Take out my phone and that was. The first order goes like this is crazy. Within the first week. I was able to bring ten more people back. Four weeks it was it was seventy and we've since hired eight more people. When? It was the exact moment when I said. This is another business we can communicate back and forth with them with things on sale new items, and it's something I've never ever done before. I never needed to do and now every day. Whatever sales you have, it goes into your account. I believe it's an eight to ten million dollars business that happened on accident. It happened being scared. It happened crying. It was said, but it turned into something. That is the best decision that I made in business ever number one thing that I did I went with my God and I believe in myself more important than anything in the world for CNBC I'm Andrea Day. Appreciate that report Mr Longo by the way tells us, he believes when restaurants reopened his wholesale business. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 1

"That is the least least enthusiastic. Woo. Looking at me like frogs on my face 'cause we were talking about the broad Jay here fine and the Lakers in there. I really listened to Christopher. It's time. Only February twenty eighteen nineteen season started with such promise. Your she lies cripple beat and battered disappointing and disappoint Ted. We can only hope that we ended the season somewhere above five hundred and not flirting with four hundred because four hundred I gotta ask my south. Where were they would? Start. We still. Your gives to me, right. I mean to pass the music going, you know, home this is the low point of the season. Right. I mean, they lose last night to Atlanta one thirteen or one seventeen one thirteen Atlantic came into this game twenty games under five hundred. This is this is one of the worst teams in the league downs. One of the worst in the league in Cleveland, and we lost in the Lakers shoot. And and all of I mean, they're under five hundred twenty eight and twenty nine they played fifty seven games and they've lost more of them than they've won wonder. What I mean? This is Ari teams though, because they're not very good. But you don't but you don't lose to the Knicks. You don't lose to Cleveland. You don't lose to Atlanta stole lose to sorry teams. Just don't do it. When you're when you're supposed to be a team that has the ability to to make a deep run because in the month of December. We certainly felt like early December. We certainly felt like the Lakers are on the upswing in were headed in the right direction. And they were I think that that time they with three they were they had the header on about two weeks where they played really good. Basketball, where they were beating they, you know, the kind of the the high point is the low point the highpoint was Christmas day where they just tore up the world Atlanta half trae young who does who do they have does anybody Collins and trae young body on that team bedded in the starting five Gionta Lakers put up a whole nother issue. The Lakers have LeBron James which is in a category. Okay. Real take take him out of it, though key. This is this is I think something that has to be looked at with some sobriety. This is this whole thing about these guys are the food hold on a second. Because of what you just said. These guys were legitimately difference maker special guys. They don't lose to Atlanta. They don't lose to the Knicks. They don't lose to the Cavs. They don't go through fifty seven games of the season. And struggle the way that they have a in lose more games than you're winning. And it's just it's it's getting to the point where you could try to be optimistic, and I'm still optimistic at the point that maybe you can catch lightning in. A bottle and going to tear maybe can. But the math is telling me that it's not gonna happen because they've had one good run of about two and a half three weeks where they played really really well other than that. It's been all of them, while Purnell reason, whereas been all over the map is because there Ville ability of players has been all over the map true. They have been, you know, hit with injuries that I'm trying to think of another team maybe Houston off a little slow because of injuries to Chris Paul and then little bits James harden. But who has starters missing, you know, most of the season besides us. True. That is a huge factor. Guesses on the court, though, the Brown wasn't on the court for a month. Nobody guesses on a quick nail. He did his job last night. Go bras. Liqueur crimes is on the court Ingram's on the court on so rods on but lonzo's not I okay. And and his play minus as president as lunch. That's nice. Lakers. Can't miss the playoffs because lawns them. No. No. That's not my point. My point is to Lakers might miss the playoffs because they've been hit by series of injuries to key guys. I hear what you're saying. Okay. Lonzo you know, we should win without Lonzo. But what does he bring to the table? And no one else really does. Well, he sets down a poison point guys. He makes it difficult for them to get into the offensive sets. He also helps says the table. So the brand has nothing to do everything in the ball in his hand. Because when the ball in his hands his supporting cast into stick around and watch him as opposed to move into Basel's hands. There are things does that they're missing. Okay. That's all fine and dandy. But what about last night? Shane here's your. Here's what LeBron said about last night that they had no consistency on either end have consistent play from officers that a game offensively and defensively. You know, Jack the Ballade covers started game in third quarter Jack of a lot of work again. So it was always playing up. He'll we've been known as relate. So. Going to be a lot better. So here, I mean, I like the phrase year Roy's playing uphill you. Go back to the game on Sunday against Philly. Seventy six points in the first half seventy six points last night. They give up again, sixty five and they had the lead the premise. It's the Atlanta Hawks. The hawks are twenty game under five hundred team. You can't if you're giving that sort of defensive effort against that. That's not a good team. No. It's just not a good team. I know you're on the road, by the way, there are million Laker fans in Atlanta that building was mostly Laker fans last night and rooting for the Lakers, and they still couldn't beat one of the worst teams in the league. And I know we go through the schedule every once in a while. And they gotta go twenty and six and now you gotta do. Now. It's nineteen and seven the problem is these are the games that you maybe we should stop doing it because the Lakers are proven that they can lose anybody in the league. But you can't because now when you lose to Atlanta now, you gotta beat Golden State to make that even you gotta beat one of the teams that you're not supposed to be and maybe they can. But when you give away the Atlanta. Hawks gain you giving them you're just putting yourself in an impossible situation. That's the problem is I'm looking at Atlanta. I'm not even talking about what they did a month ago at three weeks ago. I'm talking about last night sitting there watching that game. You know, I'm sitting there watching it bra certainly was given everything that he had and you can certainly feel his frustration through the television. I can read his body language. He wasn't very happy. Okay. I could tell he wasn't very happy. I could also look at some of the other players in. They could sense that he wasn't very happy in their style of play in what they were doing. I just felt like you know, for them last night between the rotation. It just the way that they played. It was almost like they just was out there going through the motions they can feel it coming. They can they know how to do basic math. They know that they're under five hundred. They know that they're two and a half games out of a playoff spot. They know that one of their more important players in Lonzo ball is unavailable. And who knows when he's gonna come back. They know that LeBron just gave them a night where he went twenty eight sixteen and eleven and they still lost. What's coming up? Maybe thinking about being traded in summer. I clear that they still have hangover from their names being mentioned in the trade talks. I messed up man about that. I mean, you can say get over. But we've seen time and time again other veterans and other sports, including the NBA, they don't get over it. And so I don't the more career practically practically they trade him. He was broken heart. And then you know, that's it. So I'm sitting here, and I'm going, okay. Who who cares about making the playoffs? Who cares? They better all make like do they care or are? They caught up in something else. Here's LeBrun asked about whether or not he's worried about missing the playoffs to either Megan domain. That's when you worry about it. I mean, I guess when you're LeBron scare I guess you've got as many accolades, he does you can be matter of fact about it. But clear key, clearly, this would be I know that LeBron ever stating it would be a catastrophe. You don't go out in the playoffs. I jam teen straight years or something crazy like that. Lebron James the best player in the league still is and you go and get him in free agency. Everybody's just absolutely over the mood enthusiastic about what this might home in late April. Thank you. Thank you. I wonder what he would do and may may and June. He's been at home in June and Joan June of your school almost a decade since the Celtics beat him. And that's when he had to go to Miami. He's he didn't give us a year. He brought up the Celtics look at them. You just Boston fan throat. We have an impressive victory last night like him impulse. Don't even understand that the last time they missed the playoffs was his second year in the league which was fourteen years ago, and he's still finished with a good record tied in lots tiebreaker. So now the next part of this is what happens to Luke Walton when you lose a game. Like this. I want to keep your bugle available L e because you might need that again before too long. We'll talk about that one neck key. TD who rich the kid is a Seref? Well, he was without show yesterday when they were shot at while recording in Hollywood at their studio updates from the streets. Man, you just saw it on the news. He got hit though. Right. No. I think the stylist got hit. What else you're recording? While this was all going on. And we have a live live recording from the nostalgias. Laugh. Somebody got shot. Right. Don't start was shot. It was a moral high. Not a moral high horse. We don't even know what happened the us, laughing laughing. I just got inside recordings. We got people. I didn't know that kind of street cred. I don't know if it was as much as it was probably rich the kid and his crew and had I haven't had a hit in a while. So he's more producing right now. Anyway, I think though, right? Yeah. He pays enrich the kid. Probably. It's probably on his label or something. Anyway, Luke, Walton. Really? I don't care. The shooting over a trader Joe's you bring up Luke Walden. And you wonder it see the common wisdom has been that he's gonna make it to the line that maybe at the end of the season, they'll make a change because I think we always assumed that even the Lakers weren't playing great that they would figure it out at least they would figure it out enough to get into the playoffs. And then there'd be an evaluation based on what they did there. And how they look there. Now. Now, the fact of the matter is there's a very good chance. They're not gonna make it. Now, there's there's still a chance that they will. But there's there's a real possibility that they miss altogether, very strong possibility they missile together. If you lose to the Atlanta Hawks and you look at seventy six point first half on Sunday, a sixty five point first half last night. You hear LeBron were screwing up our Simon's from the very beginning. You watched Kia. No, you said that you watch the body language on the sideline from the beginning. From the guys it just appears that the message is not resonating with his players. Well, what happens in these situations is when you losing every. Anything is that you know, times ten worse. I mean, it's just it's it's it just boss to the point where you start to tune out the same message in. It's only when you're losing. If you win you paying attention, everybody smile and everything's great. But when you're losing losing to the Atlanta Hawks, and you know, it's the hawks in you know, when you got out of the bed at four o'clock, go to shoot around or whatever you had to do you realize, oh, we can beat this team. This is this is w we go into all-star break, filling good it all of a sudden you look up any like damn we lose. Then the Clark goes all the way down zero. You don't you just walk straight into the tunnel. 'cause you can't you can't understand. Why does Cotin to keep happening in the only person? You can look to is the leader on the floor, which is essentially your coach. And you don't was a player. You don't want single anybody out at blame. Anybody? For that. You try to hold it in and just get through it. But they certainly know whatever it is being put together by the coach is not working. They know as a player he say, what would a player should be able to execute anything. That's out there. True. That is true. But a lot of plays design matters to simple that you have to be able to to have your message resonate with your. There's no question if you you can have the world's best plan. But if I can't sell you my plan if I can get you to invest in what it is that I'm sanding to you. If I can get you to go for me on what I'm trying to get done. It doesn't matter. How good my plan is. Well, you certainly think that Luke Walton has a plan he has to get them to buy into it. Sometimes just people don't players a weird, man. You gotta be able to vibe with a coach you gotta be able to to to Philly, you know, some workers out of a coach's mouth you may look at that. It'd be like menace lame. I can't even feel it. You know, the way that I'm teaching you have talked to you. And then the next coast is sitting next to tell you the same message boot because he might be right guy for the job. You know? That's just the way works. That's the way it goes. Which is why we're talking we're getting coffee if you don't drink. We're like teachers teachers with the teacher. Lounge. We'll go cigarette break too, right? Got a smoke. Yeah. We'll be like those people you walk into the airport and you walk through the airport. They got the cigarette. Cigarettes and black coffee. Glass jar walking by looking at us. So nasty but anyway. I was saying that, you know, Mark. This is a perfect job for Mark Jackson for Mark Jackson to parachute in and to bring in some toughness to the squad some defensive toughness when he was with the Golden State Warriors before they turned it around the one thing that you saw right away was how they played defense. And how tough they were on that side of the ball. I was Steve Kerr did was make my judgment the offense of an that set there great shooters free. And that's why he was able to get them over the hump. But the building blocks that championship was still remains defense. Yes, right. How's it? You know? It's funny. Bring that up because you know, what I guess we thinking about. Cheeseburger, no long. Sounds pretty good. You know, I was checking Vegas in Bravada has odds on the next liquor coat for next year should be a chain. Or even if there isn't a chase who will open the season as the coach of the Lakers next year. So there are nine coaches possible coaches as favorites Keyshawn, you look, very curious. Would you like to take a stab at it? Mark jackson. Mark Jackson is on his second. Plus two hundred l z you brought up the topic. Who do you think was Seton? I should get Mark Jackson. We'll know a whole segment. Right. The guy that gets his name mentioned is it took you guys awhile. But yeah, you skipped it, but go ahead. Give me another coach. That's a Vegas has odds at opening season as coach next year for the Lakers. I'm gonna go with Bichon. Brian Shaw opening season is not on the list. You brought up the topic. But you were out. Sorry. Travis Luke Walton Luke Walton is on the list. That's right. He is a third at plus three hundred seventy if there was a chain sit opening a season. I changed it. You guys hurt me? Right. Obviously Travis hurt me. He got it. Right. Or he didn't hear you. He just got shrewd. Jeff Van Gundy. She guys just don't do well on this. No, I'm sorry. That's. Hi, lou. No, wait. I'm. Against Dan cannot try guess yours. No way. Not stand. Tyrone van. The adopted son since we're trying to get out to try again, try all right? See? No, these are guitar Lou. Hold on. No. Traffic. Listen while they haven't fired him yet to put it. Who to put it place, Jason Kidd is the leader. When he five Vegas, Milwaukee the second. He was gone. Another one which would be a shocker, but he is fourth on the list Kevin mckell at plus eight hundred. Eight hundred. So we're going to hire the Bose. David phys Dale in the list. He's not gonna listen showing fine in New York doing fine. That's why might be on the list. Ones I on. So he's doing fine fibs is also tied with Mikhail plus eight hundred or Frank Vogel that plus eight hundred and guess what guys Frank Vogel, which was that? He wasn't Indiana. You can bet Jackson return plus fifteen hundred come on now. This is just people money. Just because that's why they exist. Even real coaches. You can see DC Phil Jackson owed as trying to convince LeBron James about the trying. Good luck with books and stuff speaking. Lebron LeBron comes in and all the expectations that follow has. He lived up to them. We'll get into it. Next. Rondos having trouble getting it in the hawk steal it deadman, Scott. It dribbles out the clock. And that's it at one seventeen the Lakers. One thirteen. Multiple addiction even Johnny is sounds depress. We'll fifty seven games in there under five hundred that's kinda depressing. This is MS rolling. You know, that we Elsie I don't know about that. They were rolling for a few weeks. They've been whatever the opposite of rolling stopped. They've been stopped for more than they've rolled the injury to the brand James derailed. Everything it did. But licking hey, bad now, it'd happened and he's back now in the fact of the matter is they're under five hundred. And you gotta start asking the question. Not that you wouldn't do it. Exactly the same way that you'd sign. Lebron Bill Plaskitt wrote a piece in the LA times this morning talking about whether or not LeBron has lived up to the hype and lebrons individual performances have been great. His numbers are exactly what you would expect from him there right in line with his career numbers. They have been for his entire year. But the results and part of it, and you can even throw this in there is he mistimed for the first time ever. He got hurt for the first time ever. So all of these things have kind of. Added up to give. He's been great. But the product is been. Yeah. I don't have a problem with the brawn James for duck. Shen? I don't have a problem with the hype. He's brought some excitement back to the Lakers. They were rolling to got hurt. Shut up. They were rolling till he got hurt in Rondo gets hurt. Rondo gets jetted early along with Ingram. They lose a couple of games the Iran. Ball get hurt gets hurt. Then all of a sudden, you got some chemistry issues going on there. I think when you look at the Brian James, and you look at what he's brought to the Lakers. He's brought some what I would consider star power stability in. Eventually they're going to get what they're coveting want next year. They won't be able to get this year. They're gonna have to get it next year. Yes. He had picked some guys that veteran players that gets you he ham picks guys at a veteran players that he felt like at the time the things that they need it to get to the golden stand or yours. They felt like we didn't need shooters. We wanted this type of roster they constructed and they for the most part for the most part when they was win it. They wouldn't nobody's complain about shooters. Because it was scorn and heels win for all of a sudden, they lose a few games view more more than if you games. Yeah. Everybody's saying well shooters. This and that put everything together man, you have I think you're right. I think you have to take all of it together. And you talked about chemistry issues that bubbled up. Well, that's partially on him that that he's the leader of this team for better for worse. The the the mood of the team the emotional components of the your teammates are going to go through the best player. And especially when it's a guy like LeBron James who is so famous and so good. And so well thought of and everything else the the other part of it is is that they tried to muscle their way. And you know, key, you said at one hundred times the clutch sports piece of this trying to muscle the Anthony Davis thing didn't happen that whole thing blew up that didn't happen. That's an underwhelming piece of it. It's just again, it's not you look at you. Don't it's not a face as Astor hasn't been what it was supposed to be the, but the Anthony Davis piece of things everybody's talking about it blew up. In addition to that, they didn't acquire him. They didn't get him. But they wasn't thinking about publicly four months ago, three months ago anti. Davis from a public perspective. Nobody was thinking about Anthony Davis. The Lakers were rolling along. Everybody was happy. Now, all of a sudden they go and try to get Anthony Davis. It didn't happen. Now. Everything feels like the world is going to explode that you can't think that way because you wouldn't thinking about three months ago, you were not thinking every Davis. Around every month ago. It's to know everything that's going to come. And I guess the question is at twenty eight and twenty nine fifty seven games into the season is this was this or are. They are right now. No all a possible. You know, what I would like to do? I would like you to go back in time. And imagine yourself on sports talk radio show and wish to question was will the Cleveland Cavaliers make the playoffs because last year this time, they were a mess. They were float around five hundred people wondering will this finally be the end of the streak because they're playing like crap. Lebron disengage people thought he was already planning to leave and with twenty twenty nine they were floating around five hundred really. Yeah. It was a different five hundred that was floating around trash, but it was the east too though in east you knew in the east that they was going to probably come out of the east somewhere in the playoff. You just knew that last. The east was garbage the last last year we thought or lease the conversation was very similar to this one. Can LeBron James carry this trash team into the playoffs in fifty games? Obviously going all the way to the finals, the east is a different conference at least back then than it is now that is true. But what remain? Is that dude he still the best player in the game? And I'm not going to count them out as long as he's healthy. Because what I saw last night was someone who decided I don't need to be maximum Bron James in order for this team to win. And there was disappointing to find out. Okay. I have to be because me being eight of twenty from the field is not enough. I expect him as I say yesterday to be a different LeBron's Jane's post all-star. So you want him to turn up the heat? Okay. Guys. Hey, those e today is. Humpty. Sometimes he's. For a couple of days get back on track. But you don't miss wholesale. You want it? I love it. I love it hump day. Dass right. Same here. Same here. That's what we are celebrating home tha-that's, right? The show the people we're giving away tickets every hour only hour on the hour. Just different times you've got to listening. But guess what is for what to see Rudy in concert? That's right. See the movie Rudy and county, remember Rudy rigor. Yeah. Movie. There's a concert about the music now. So they run the movie they have the symphony. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Check it out. Here's how you can win you. Call eight seven seven seventeen ESPN be caller number seven answered this question who did LV say was the key to the Lakers losing streak of him falling out of the playoff. There's a player that hasn't been available. That was the key. Now, here's do you. Listen during the next hour for another chance to win. And don't worry. We got you. Don't miss the greatest sports movie Rudy in concert. That's right with the soundtrack performed by a live orchestra. That's right, Saturday March thirtieth at the Microsoft theatre. Hey, tickets start at forty bucks, but you can get yours here today to see Woody. That's why I really encountered dot com. Check it out. Travis you seem like the kind of guy. That's got a golden helmet just fine around from going up. Not a Notre Dame Rudy type Rudy. I'm not I am not real. I had game on lived up to the hype for the Lakers who continue that conversation. Plus get your thoughts on it as well. Eight seven seven seven ten ESPN. That's next boy healthy. The J. We got Rosh on the line. L C birthday. Remember your dancing to this for the white Cup? That's right. He gave the two hour performance for Moscow. No, you gotta help me because I don't know Robbie Williams from Williams Robbie why from what what did you say happy days. Ravi answer. William so Robbie Williams used to be with take that was that the group. That's right. Yes. You don't stop. It. Ask you questions, you could find a better birthday to that. Robbie williams. Today. Did you not hear me he was the opening act for the World Cup? Global thing. We were all into remember Keever dancing around. Robbie Williams Forty-five years, whoever he is. Oh, today's a great singer in the World Cup. His birthday is brought to you by Jaguar Land Rover. Newport Beach off the seventy three to look at me like that Chris van Rover of the heavy. Larry dot com of via those are some dark days are the World Cup because Sodano is still doing the show. Okay. The Lewer plot. All work. No, you were plotting. I wasn't. It was easy for me. All right. They're doing it on TV right now to the talking about the Lakers in their record and the hype and everything it's I get the injuries are part of it. I get it. Every team's going to go through it. Maybe not to the extent of different team. The Lakers missed LeBron for a month a month to middle long. So for a month and change if lonzo's injury history is any indicator take the over on whatever they say that he's going to be gone for. But okay, great. There are some extenuating circumstances. The fact of the matter is there under five hundred we're down the all star break, and they're under five hundred this the idea that they're gonna play five hundred for a month. And then they're going to figure it out and they're going to go, and then she wouldn't happen. But everything having and now they're they're they're really in no-man's-land in the second half of the season. The Lakers are wanna say they got the fifth toughest schedule. I think the rest of the way the way want to say, it's even higher than that key. I wanna say it's third or fourth. It's it's. It's a monster. They play really good teams moving forward. I understand that that all obviously fighting for seating and get in the playoffs. They're still I understand that. I still feel very confident that they'll make the playoffs. I mean, the good news about it is the teams that they're chasing her Sacramento in the clippers the clippers have kinda gone into different direction. The kings are as inexperienced as the Lakers are in this situation by having the mind minus. I mean, the fact of the matter is Sacramento's four games over five hundred the clippers are for games over five hundred the Lakers are one game under there wasn't early. These. This is real results. There was a point. And it's early in this NBA season in which you Incheon national television. The Lakers they were talking about the clippers and the question was of the clippers for real. Because at the time they were number one in the west, and they were rolling if you will to buy his hairs was doing his thing, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and they kind of become what we thought they would be less allow these Lakers to do. The same thing we have expectations. Yes. They are five humble oh five hundred at the midway point was more than point in terms of gains seasons, laid out at the midway point. This is the all star break a switch will be flipped with that. May. I hope so here's not going to miss the playoffs. I it would be a catastrophe. If they did it would there is. No, this guy was heard of that guy was hurt. If you miss it that that's just a bad deal right there. Here's Lou talking about what they need to do is a group going into the all star break disappointing loss for us. But you know, it's. Time for us to get away and reflect a little bit about where where we are as group in this first part of the season we've gone to a lot of adversity as group. And you know, we're we're probably not where we want to be. But we're still close enough. So we got a challenge ahead of us coming back after all star. And we got some work to do. But I think we have a group that's up for that challenge. And we'll look forward to attack in that. When we get back after we reflect is a group. Sure. But I mean, you're down to the home stretch, you've got twenty seven games left. Reflection was awhile ago. I I don't like to wish for anyone's dismissal. I'm a need you to be a liberal fire? Coach. Yeah. That's what it sounds like a guy who knows that. It's not going in the right direction in his favor. And he just lost a national television to the Atlanta Hawks in everybody's watching. And there's going to be a lot of questions that will be posed to him over the next week doing the all star break that he's gonna have to figure out Nassar was this scenario and not this specific scenario where they're under five hundred twenty eight and twenty nine but was short of the Lakers coming out of the gate in and show in winning sixty sixty five games. And just looking great would be this this this this scenario, the Luke is he coming or going to getting to make a change they need to find somebody else. This almost felt inevitable from the moment that LeBron got here. Well, I'll answer your question right now. Brothers and sisters. Tease uncles and bungles and phone calls. This season started with great expectations. And they were met with great disappointment. But I still believe that the make can get to that promise land that is the play offs. Amen. My I still believe LeBron James could find the corner, then turn it. Hey, man, he can drag them young skinny players with them. Hi, this is Kim Kardashian. This is a complicated sermon. What I don't. Is if Luke oh make that trip with them. They may be one. One man. So one man different. They get to the promised land. I'm not saying I want him off. But I'm looking at ticket. If you played the four fair. Now here we need to build and fund money pass that. Pass that passed that we're done passing the hat. You know, what there is there's trouble in the streets. Is it raining up in the helicopter key? What's it? Look like. Not quite just a little bit of traffic damage going on all over the city of Santa Monica right now, if you are going on PCH north south between California in cry in Oceana, that's when you go up right there, and you wanna get into Santa Monica area. Worst boulevard main lies of water, broken all flooded floating all over. Yes. They're shooting multiple multiple addict. This water all over it's gonna be a little bit of stop and go traffic, obviously PCH is closed right there. So you would probably have to get off from fort. You know, where fort Sampras intake, navigate your way, all the way back around just to get back on the PCH because that's closed right there. If you're going through the tunnel owed in west between Pacific ads. Acidic ah have cleared exploding before the tunnel. The other way back up to leak boulevard out now crash. Have all lanes back up. Ten west Pacific avid McClure the tunnel right there. You know, they're back all the way up to Lincoln boulevard backup exploding work often. Go traffic. That's where it's it. Okay. So which highway dawn, you take man you want to get off. All right. The fourth street, and then you want to go up to San Sentate. You wanna make a right? You wanna go all the way back down to get onto the four or five. That's the only way you're going to get back into came out. Abboud kick off the tunnel. Getting out of the chopper. Thank you. All right. Piece on your way, back in key Navajo, spe possible by the offices of Joseph s norm on if you're if you're injured in an accident, you know, who to call to call our buddy, Jo eight six six seven seven seven zero six seventy seven all right in Tonio Brown, officially asked out of Pittsburgh is he the perfect fit for the raiders key is going to tell us next.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

"Uh-huh. A long breath. They stretch is they say let the muesli stretch naked matter me when he three years ago today. Nineteen Ninety-six sue pox fourth album was really do deal album because there was the mix tapes all eyes on me. What was your favorite to pop album, traffic one? I'll get that's. So definitive here. Just one just one. Where would you look who you talking to know back then they wanted to become off day back then they wanted day they sneak in all of us. Now this. Some hip hop. But not a ton run him. Hip hop MC hammer. No, not that. I remember in college when try call quest some of that beastie boy NWEA. Oh. That was in singing lyrics. And w. Glenn how easy person? Risi personally for somebody for back in the UCSB days to come up with a video. Nineteen ninety here. He is he's in black face. Not the governor. Up there walking? The weaned. Yeah. I wanted to beat him. Speaking of that. I was in. I was in London few years ago when go digger was out by cognac. The neighbor plan the unedited version, so I'm in London, I can his club like three or four o'clock in the morning, whatever. And I'm leery surrounded by my oppressors, all Singye the end were loud as they could. And under Seth it. I was like I can't do nothing because first of all KYW, you gave them permission to do it. His record Connie is editor looking at it a little differently. They don't know. But I'm sitting here. I can't get mad because they just dash is unedited. And they were so gleeful with it though. Now is like tainted got me. I can't do not yet. You know, what else is gleeful guys? Cockle doodle do. Yes. I had to pick on you again. I this morning. Travis people. Yeah. I am assuming I 'cause I don't think my people would be going into zoo. Instilling a monkey work did my people. In Florida and West Palm. We're really letting ourselves down Florida's zoo down from Africa the first one. No indigenous monkeys. Don't have any. Beach man, twelve year old rare Gola dies monkey reportedly was stolen from a West Palm Beach zoo. But his his home safely by the police. The monkey weighed about one pound when that's a small monkey. It's a smaller twelve years old. So that's I mean, I don't know much frail dog, right? Yes. But it was tiny monkey somebody decided one pound yet one town somewhere decided to someone decides to take the take the monkey in the in. You're listening to k SPN Los Angeles. That is true. You're listening to kiss me unless they put out a reward of six grand in the monkeys name was Kelly in. Wait. So what are they gonna do with hydrate? Find a monkey they didn't say like a GPS tracker Mike embedded in or something like that. Sometimes people, you know, people still animals and stuff like that didn't get spook. And I, you know, women I might need to get us back on the, you know, we have a we have a couple of zoos around. They're going to bring in animals wild animals little bit later. Probably next month or so maybe next month after wild animals in the studio that'll be fun. This is already a couple while animals India, why not have more. Yeah. There's a bear. Right. They're playing music. I am a bear. Monkey in the first juvenile anybody gonna do with it you gonna keep an occasion, you're your do. The thing is is the the monkeys on a special diet and. Free and stuff in ways. Maybe it's like a runway model monkey. Has tight little figure, but you know, West Palm we not really down in West Palm like that. I'm just assuming I'm gonna blame this role. You it's a fair assessment. Yeah. George, michael. Chris. Are you doing? Something. Recall monkey out. It was called. Was there a lyric though, it was called Monty? Was in Tokyo Brown wants out not a huge surprise. He they felt like this divorce was inevitable that it's been heading towards this really since last season. He went on Twitter, Instagram, or whatever it is. And said goodbye, no time to move on. They've officially asked for our a trade request to to the Steelers. The question is where does he go the raiders player like that? You have to imagine. What would fetch a fairly high hall picks in return or other players? The raiders have three first round pigs does that make sense to to get it because you're not going to pick a better player than Antonio Brown. In the first round thirty one years old at the wide receiver position with the raiders. I don't see it happening because I don't his personality in John gruden's personality that'll see mixed there. And I don't I just it's not something aby. Gruden a beat s not going to be good cause AB one of ABC issue. Is he's kinda he kinda gave way not really just gave way. But juju Smith all of a sudden emerged as a go to target. So it was taken a lot of touches away for maybe. Although ABC fifteen touchdowns this year. He wasn't known to many in the NFL anymore as the wide receiver of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ben Rothlisberger had kinda sorta stop getting him to football at the levels in their started blaming him in situations and taking no sorting things in coach Gruden in him that that relationship will is going to definitely be a bad mix for him. But just because you tweet something or put something Instagram about how you want to be peace out. Doesn't mean a team has to do that. Well, no, they're going to do it. You said a million if somebody says, I don't want to be here you got to move. Yeah. But we just saw Levy on bail. And they still got him. Yeah. Believe me. I'm building say I don't want to be Bill said I want to get paid. Right. And if you're not gonna pay me then. Yeah. But but but this. This is this is different than Levy on Bill. Maybe I'm Bill situation is such that he hasn't made any money. This was his second contract. A is now on his third contract. The last three years ABC deals, not even guarantee. So he's got is a couple of things with this is an it's it's a move for the agent to get a contract to get some guaranteed money from a new team because no teams go trae for you without you Val, giving you a new contract, right? It's just not going to happen. There's only going to hold onto him into a summer before they do anything in the reason is is because salary cap relief if they moving now by March he'll be twenty three million dollars in a cap hit. If you move him in the summer that hit now comes to nine in the next year. Twenty twenty two hit you can stretch it out. It'd be like fourteen some change somewhere in that number in those numbers. So you want to do it in the summer. I all you don't wanna do it in March. I'm not doing you any. Favors crane at all. And at thirty one years old. I understand everyone's saying he could you know, you could fetch a one for him. That's the thirty one man when you start to get thirty and thirty one the league is like if you're not a QB the yes, yes. Start looking at you a little bit different. Despite what you think of what we might think of a player at that age. They could still play the value isn't there for new organization the new team? Now the San Francisco forty Niners. It'd be a good option for him. I don't see where John Lynch would want to give up a high price guy for offense a pig for offense a player when he's a difference of minded general manager. So, but it would be good forty nine thousand eight. Why why are we seeing? How's it gonna say you gotta give Garoppolo somebody to do thing on that? You gotta give some would be would he trait? If you're the Steelers, which each focused strictly on the NFC, or would you open it up to the AFC? It really doesn't matter man doesn't matter. So could he be a Brown? I mean. As long as he's not in your sleep. It doesn't matter. Can he be a Brown because ABC vers to? Yeah. But it doesn't really matter in as far as I'm concerned where they go. You see a guy wants to twice a year. How many teams though care win? Oh. Allina? Okay, NFC team. But just kind of going back to the raiders piece of this. If the fit of Antonio Brown, and Jon Gruden is not good. If just those two guys are willing. It's not gonna work to me. Okay. Fairness just me. Look how it how many other teams are. They just saying, you know, what the fits just not right because all of a sudden, you're getting a smaller and smaller pool of teams that potentially bring him in or is Gruden just kind of a one off. And you've got thirty other teams in the league that would love to have in Tonio Brown. They don't care about the noise. They don't care about the fact that he can be difficult to have. However, you want to characterize it. But he's a great player. Yes, he's thirty one. But I again, I I always kind of look at it like this. I understand that you have to plan for the long term. But in the short term at least for another season or two I'm not picking a better. But he's he's he's a what he is. He's a Super Bowl guy for somebody who needs a Super Bowl that last piece. Yeah, that's what he is. Who needs the Super Bowl guy? He doesn't make any sense to send him to the Arizona. Cardinals doesn't make any sense at all. Because. There's Gordon's that like makes no sense for the raiders near so far away. It's a team that needs that Sodi Minnesota's got receivers. But I'm saying Britain were saying there's no magic ABC's if you get an opportunity to upgrade. Yeah. But opportunity, you're satisfied and happy with feeling in in digs 'cause you're not gonna if you Minnesota. You're not going to give a beat twenty million dollars. Now when you got those two knows exactly. So you gotta go to a Carolina, for instance, Devon funds. From the Super Bowl. They're they're really not. They just keep they losing. No, they're not they're not far from it. They got to keep the quarterback healthy Devin funchess's there. They got McCaffrey they got Samuel. But they don't have that a beat. They don't have any game-breaker. No. They don't have one. Only offense aside a ball the tide in Olsen is there. So you get a guy like that they can stretch to feel and do a lot of different ways to see the piece the puts you over the top. I mean, let's look at the teams that are close to the top great for him. I if the raider the raiders the Cowboys if they didn't pull Amari Cooper deal that would have been a great warmth. But they did Amari Cooper is fine. Right. They didn't say don't need them. The Rams don't need them. Saints could using Nate's could use that as can use it. But the saints single pay it. Okay. Says Franken happen not going to happen. So philly. For Likud use them. Philly could using what about your holiday office offense. Philadelphia's offense doesn't lend itself for guy like that. They're not going to make they're not going to feature him at one hundred feature earth one hundred fifteen catches, you know, they're just not going to do even if they I wonder I've always featuring is it because I don't have a guy like that. So I don't not running that offense. Or is just that. That's not what they do. They don't depend on one guy. They depend on multiple things. In terms of running the ball to tie in the other receivers, they want to spread things around the team in my opinion, if his. Soda would be Green Bay. That's me the team Green Bay pretty good. You need a guy who can actually get you the football. You mentioned Chicago. I don't trust to Bisky. And as soon as you have enough wheats go by where he's like, I don't trust your Bisky either. The whole thing goes down as a disaster you need a QB. And I love cameras QB. I'm not sure if Cam was to guy you wanna pair with an AB Cam keeping you want. It you want it. Yeah. Yeah. You won't you won't that abilities to throw the football. Where he throws it. His ABC's strengths which is underneath stuff. Shallow crosses screens. Outbreaking cuts all of those sorts of things AB strength. And Cam does a really good job at doing the vertical game. Cam is not camp is not the vertical stretch right quarterback. So do you not using a NFL you using all underneath catching? It sounds like maybe he's not as plug and play as maybe you might think at first glance that you think Antonio Brown? Great player put him on any. Team. You're gonna love to have him that all of a sudden the right quarterback you need the right system new team to go over the top all of these blow. You don't need the right quarterback with him because he's so dynamic with the football in his hands as long as you get the ball touring. He could do everything else myself. All right. Lebron is healthy the Lakers played eighteen twenty games under five hundred last night. All good, right? Don conch. Indeed. We'll do it. Next shock the monkey well done. Christopher this works on a variety of levels done now. Yeah, you're working seven fifteen funny woke up you put together not even any Wilco put something together. I left to go get my green juice and came back. It's like a little rat on the cookies over here. Eat any of the cookies, why is it open? Why are the box over? I'm doing healthy this week. You shortbread cookies you open these. I did not he would in here during the break. I don't think he did. No. I think he did. I was in the other room. No, you wasn't. Yeah. It was no one this week. I didn't eat any of your cookies Qissan you have two rows of cookies per box. But only see one row. So did he just take the role and go into the other sleeve last week? You ain't doing that. Or you know last week. He brought in a whole box of cookies and just left of you know, last week. Another thing l z miss does. Good timing right there. Your biggest supporter kisha Pena's devastating. I've came in and give him a cash right then in their twenties a member. So the cookie if you brought in zebra for last year was wasn't the cookies. Well, you're right. It's don't do the cookies the way that they do them in my neighborhood. Which is you don't pay until the cookies the girl shows up the wagon. Oh, the cookie Sean hustles us, bro. No these cookies, you do what our money from last year, then daughter. Cookies man, stop boy, by the way, Peter Gabriel's Bertha Gabriel's birthday, and he'd be there. Tomorrow sixty nine years old. Genesis open. Yeah. We'll be at the Genesis open. I wouldn't think so maybe I wouldn't have been it'd be like if we had to van Halen open, but Halloween Genesis. But yeah, I see what you're saying. Those cars are nice. I saw him yesterday. Of course Rivera which is where we'll be tomorrow. Yes, apparently have to get up early. His birthday is brought to you by Land Rover Jaguar Newport Beach off the Seventy-three towards the sea. Visit Land Rover Newport Beach dot com. Land Rover above and beyond for cookies. So call Chris accused me earlier today of being a Homer for everything. And I like to think of it more as optimism I like to think of it is that I'm hoping that things are going to work out. But I am losing my optimism for the Lakers. The they lost last night to the Atlanta Hawks one seventeen to one thirteen the hawks came into that game twenty games under five hundred the hawks are one of the worst teams in the league. That's just a fact the Lakers got a good performance from LeBron James a typical LeBron James night twenty eight sixteen and eleven he played forty three minutes. It wasn't like he did it in limited time he went out there and carried a bunch of load, and the fact of the matter. Is they lost they lost? But he. Team. Yeah. But I mean, if you really were watching the game you look at the stats you realize that every forty minute game is not made the same. He's been a lot of time conserving energy by setting up his teammates on the offensive side of the ball. And then when he shot he shot eight for twenty ten of those shots with three pointers. So what does that tell you ten ten times? He was inside a three point range trying to score ten times cross four quarters. What is it like to point know to win a quarter two and a half carried a one? So I'm sitting here going in other words, he went really trying to do that thing because he didn't feel like he needed to do that thing wrong. He he's going to have to do that thing every night. Now if they're going to get in. I mean, you look at it. They got twenty seven games left there in tenth place there two and a half games out of a playoffs by key. And if he's going to do that thing he's gonna if fan fan may thank you go if he has to do that if he doesn't do that Thang against an Lantis lose. Then he's going to have to do it against every. Pretty clear clearly the rest of the guys are not ready to pick up the slack, right? At this point. We'll see you know, what I think it is though to with the Lakers of watched this all season long as they played down to the competition in when they got somebody like a Boston. They seem to play up. They they wanna play against the Celtics, even though, you know, the seventy Sixers took care of business against them. I just feel like the better competition, they they tend to thrive against it's the weaker opponents that they kind of let their guards now. And that's what we saw yesterday fortunate because particularly for the younger players, you're not that good. You just not. You're not good enough to say a we got this check. You're just not you have to hustle. You have to dive after loose balls. You have to treat each game. As if you're fighting for your lives because to Travis his point you have to go nineteen and seven now probably to make the playoffs. You are fighting for your lives. If you played gown your competition. It's telling me two things number one. You're young and immature and inexperienced your. Because that's not necessarily more often than not like, for instance, LeBron is going to give you a performance. That's good enough. If you look at a teen things like he was you look at team like San Antonio that sets a standard, and they meet their own standard pretty much every night, regardless who them playing you can beat them. But you're going to have to go up to their level. The Lakers are kinda going down. I think youth is part of it it experiences part and the other part of it is just not that good. And this is the part that's troubling that you look at the pieces that they have you look at the way that these guys responded to the trade. Rumors. You look at the way that I mean, this is the home stretch of the season. And they're losing to Atlanta. It just it doesn't feel like the alarm bells are going off in their head that every single one of these is important. What I think when you lose Atlanta, it it'll wake it'll certainly wake you up. Now. I think a wake him up that they just lost Atlanta. They're a game under five hundred that the coaches on a simmer. Not on a bull boil yet. Don't wanna boil him yet. Simmer a little bit. Because this is all star. So let him just simmer. You you have some time to correct this. But if you don't correct it when you come out of all star break, then, you know, you'll you'll certainly fi himself on the outside looking in very fast. Well, this is a combination that guys this is this what you don't want. You don't wanna have a couple of games in a row. Your team's not playing defense. You don't wanna have a game where you just lost to a bad team? You don't want to go into an all-star break because things happen during all star breaks. That's Luke Walton just went three for three did this this. This is a really bad time to have had that loss going into a break. And not just losing by somebody throws in a half court. You've seventy six points and a half to Philly you give sixty five points to the Atlanta Hawks and have its defensive effort defensive assignments. That's a lot of that is desire and want and understanding I don't like group in Philly in this conversation. Owning a sense that to me Phillies. Like, the Golden State Warriors late that's going to be a loss even with maximum. We say that about Boston. But they pop Boston where no Boston's like been struggling Phillies like a legitimate can win a championship team. Boston's like photo around faith, and I'm not saying there should have beaten Philly. I'm saying if you give up seventy six points in the first half, and you get house. There's a up in Boston just wax Philly last night. Yes, they did accent. Okay. I use wax lets me. They'd be. Hostile environment. We win an air wax. Yes. Yeah. You gotta add that in there too hostile environment. A I was at the game. All that by three, of course need to calm down. They filed him beat. And he should have got the call. They didn't give it to him. Right. The Lakers have no room for air at this point. Here's here's Luke Walton saying that they need to do something special coming out of the break coming back reenergize with the idea of. Let's try to do something special. Let's you know, let's sacrifice. You know? Let's let's go out in and give for for the for the team. And that's what we were doing earlier. Then I think we'll get back to that. But you know, little little bit of different for everyone. That's why you know, I asked the guys to get quiet for a little bit of time with the weekend. I know everyone's got family, and you know events, but spent some time by yourself. And like I said, I think we've got a group that will be ready to go when we get back. What do you? Retired. I wouldn't mind somebody throwing the chair kick book at doot light, someone up get into a get something give me a little bit of Popovich know, if that happened with pop pop would not be in this deep introspective sort of mode about com to call to call. But we played last man standing, and we all struggle to find a replacement. I I one man did you say last? Oh, no now, we're here. We're here. I got one right? Many half. Phil Jackson the list. Just because you fire. Someone doesn't mean as someone's sitting in the wings that's going to be a quick fix with this situation. I twenty four thirty. Speaking of the the quick fix simmer. Boil or do you throw the pot out and start all over again with Luke Walton we'll get into it next. Happy birthday angrily. Not Frankie Beverly oh who angry? Don't say that. Tell you who to Frankie Beverly. Yeah. Patrick beverley. You said who the Frankie Beverly? Yeah. Hey, we're here for the people. We here to teach that we here to show. Give him a song that he would know only play to every day. He never he never collide with Aerosmith. I don't think we. Do you know Mays who okay corn? No. Hey, hey, thank kilo corn. The next time. They're doing a concert, and they always do the Greek or Frankie Beverly Mays. We'll have to go go. I'm in. I'm I'm no you should take him to to New Orleans to the to the the fest. The essence. Oh, and that's a trip. I would be willing to take with you. Let's go you have Luke on a simmer. I wonder if the Laker front office doesn't have him on the boil because they you can't lose to the hawks. You can't lose to the hawks win. If it's November. And you're just getting started near figuring it out. And we're not quite sure who stinks and who doesn't and you lose to team like all right, whatever it's late in the season. We know unequivocally that Atlanta's allows a team they're twenty games under five hundred and they're just not very good. The Lakers had LeBron James. They had Brandon Ingram. They had Kyle. Kuzma, they had the guys that you would think would be good enough. And they lose to the hawks in the middle of a push to get into the playoffs that kind of stuff that giving him tons of points that usually leads to the coach being in all sorts of trouble. Not just a simmer. It's usually more than that. No, it it. That's true. But you know, you never wanna you never wanna just fire guy. I mean, you just you just don't want to do it. It's not so bad to the point where he needs to go right now. Now, he's got a goal owes disaster. Nobody likes him in the build. And it's not that situation. You just disappointed with the Lakers or because coming into the season you have such high hopes bringing in LeBron you figured that. The other guys would come along the younger guys will start to play. And I believe that when your star players are down. Some your star players it down, you get the most out of what you have left. And I don't believe Luke Walton has been able to do that straight phone call here. Let's go to upland and Eddie Eddie, you're on the morning show. What's going on today? Good morning guys in the morning listening to you guys. Thank you. Yeah. I wanted to see what your thoughts are regarding. I love Luke. I think he's a really good coach. But I seem to think that there's a common thread where he moves away when things are working well, for example, against the Sixers coups was really rolling. And why would he pull them out of the game? He gave them like a long rest, and he was keeping them in the game. And they couldn't stop him. And then another example is when the same game, you know, Rondo had just won the game against Boston. But he pulled them out of the starting lineup. And I think for some reason that kind of d- demoralized the team somewhat. They had something rolling. And and he changed it up. And I think they need to see what's working and go with it. What do you think? Well, you know, his his rotation has been a curiosity. I think for a lot of people who've been watching them the season when he decided to sick guys way decisive put who in the starting lineup. I'm how he chooses to use his big man last night. You know, devel- McGee was in a bit of foul trouble. But he only played thirteen minutes MOVA played five. So they were using Calcutta as a big man a lot, and we already know way back in November that cow Koo's master five doesn't work because that's why you went on guy Tyson Chamba who by the way wasn't available because of injury another bud business. So his the way he chooses to use the players and how he uses them has been curiosity all season. I will say this at this point. You should know what you got. You should still be experiments even after the trays that remained at the deadline. He should still know who can do what combined with whom and know what you got. Well, it's it's it's I go back to Golden State out. Oh pilot you'd put any combination on the floor. You're fine. Maybe maybe it's then Luke doesn't know how to put the combinations out there. You know? Maybe just doesn't know how to put them out there. I mean, it could be such that he really has really struggles to understand certain combinations. That make sense when are on the floor together. Maybe does because when you're Golden State, and I know it was a couple years ago. There is no man combination. You you just roll whatever I'm ago, Draymond Draymond Klay, Katie. And Steph, I'm a genius. And look, here's the here's the fact of the matter we can try to come up with it's his rotation or he takes out the hot hand like Eddie was saying or he does this or he does that here are here are the facts. Lebron James has been lukewarm in his support. Magic johnson. We know has never been fully on board with this. We're going back to the beginning of the season where he kinda got into them a little bit there twenty eight and twenty nine and they're in tenth place in the middle of February. These are not reasons to that. It doesn't matter how we're here. Here's where we are twenty and twenty nine tenth plays. Lebron has magic in the writings on the wall. It's just a matter when they're the only way that this goes into different direction as if somehow they catch fire. They take off they get into the playoffs. Maybe they win a series. They make some noise and go a little bit deeper than anybody thoughts. Because if this plays out like they are were maybe they get in. Maybe they don't, but they maybe they drug on state right of the shoot and get slapped. We're we're done here as low as seventy straight. Hey, because there's still no no seven hit to ages kit in the playoffs, you might as well. Stay at the crib. You know what I'm saying? If you tell me you faith in Denver, and they're not getting the seven because here's the problem Mosey. They're their four games from that seven spot understand that it's not the only one capable of losing streak, man. I'm not a guy that you guys. Don't you remember last season when teens weren't deciding on down to the last game of the season on to stand that I I'm not afraid of Golden State though. Oh, I, you know, I just I'm not afraid how you going to be afraid to Golden State when you our goal without Martine, James. And because there a lot better it wasn't afraid of the landing hawks. Remember yesterday warriors w the Lakers who is he talking to you? This is just talking to Reno. Were just yelling. I'm just saying to people out here yelling you EDNA freighted hawks yesterday. So you should be afraid of the war are wasn't afraid of hawks. Have you talking to me talking to you? Well, that's their fault. They lost not mine. It's an there's no I'm going to charity shit, regardless. If I want to there's no team in the west with LeBron James end, this is flawed as it is that I look and go you have no shot of stealing this other Nagoya state. Yeah. It's that's not going to get the stuff. They gotta get in the that's all I'm saying. Man, greedy. Cookies, not crazy if we're talking about just getting into the playoffs have the Lakers and has LeBron lived up to expectations. We'll talk about it. So there's more music that Travis would no I do know this one from Orange County. No doubt, Gwen Stefani. I'm a fan of hers. I'm like, I don't know. She has a look like it. It's so funny. What were you don't like subsidy? He tries to force it down. Yeah. Kino's it's national break-up with your carrier days. I like carrier like phone or carrier like a pigeon. Do a lot of people have carrier pigeons. I'm just asking man, still work. Why though? Why I don't know why I don't know. She's so here's the problem that this is the worst scenario, right? There were sitting here with today, February thirteenth the Lakers are under five hundred they're out of the playoff picture and that when the Lakers sign LeBron James this off season and everybody was ecstatic and rightfully so it's LeBron James coming in as the best player in the league has performed his performance has been exactly what you would expect his performances his numbers this season are virtually identical to what you what he's been able to put up throughout his career. The differences is that he missed a bunch of time because he got hurt the difference is the team's losing that the LeBron hasn't been underwhelming. I think that he's delivered. What we thought he would bring to you mentioned it earlier he brings buzz he brings excitement he brings star power. But the fact of the matter is they're not winning the they've won five more games this year than they did last year at the same point five in bring in LeBron James to win five extra games, but he's not plead in play to full time. We got to put this in context play fulltime. So. So other people too. So you look at it from that perspective where injuries caught up to them. That's the only reason I believe that they are in a position at their end. They would've stayed healthy. Then you know, because they don't have the room for air. They're not Ted deep like that. With star wasn't what LeBron supposed to fix that. The Braun was the margin of error. Yeah. It makes a month. But he was gone a month. Zola's been gone Rondos mistime immediate use. So when you start looking at that, you have to sit there and go wolf if he was in the lineup at this point time, would they be in this type of shape would they be in this shape? Or would they be six games above five hundred in the the other part of it too guys is that the injury is part of the fact that it's been underwhelming bam. The injury is you can't just put it in the other category. It's part of the he's he was superman. He never got hurt. He never missed any time. He went through. Whole career. And I think only one of the season. Did he miss ten games in a row? Yeah. But in this season was it sixteen or seventeen. So first time he's ever gotten hurt. It just it's a compared to the underwhelming it just so happened that he got hurt and he was injured in he missed him tie. It's not like he's getting ready to get hurt again, and missile, Tom and it next when that starts to happen. Then you start going. Oh god. We'll eventually the first time is is just the first time. And then you have the second and third meet who knows what's coming next. In key. Isn't that part of the risk of signing a thirty four year old? Thirty four year old would no history of Ron at some point people say father times undefeated, you've heard that bunch of times. That's all. Is part of their is when eight first guy was like, okay. I hope everything, you know. I love. I'm LeBron podge. I always been in. When a sign of. Hey, you speak like Travis is he's never been hurt. He's like a machine he's been out there. But at some point you start to get hurt. Of course, as some point you start to get hurt not necessarily by the time happened to call. No. Okay. So Kobe hurt his achilles. Woo. Okay. Broke his leg, and then was just act which is shown himself. Hey, that's up act was old in all right out of shape and everything else is twenty six point, eight points, seven point six assists, a point six rebounds shooting. Fifty one percent from the field there. Sal thirty six percent from three doesn't sound to me. Right. He's still playing in a high level. But the point that I'm trying to make is that this the what we were thinking we were going to get and the reality of what it is are two different things. No, no, no, Joe got exactly what they'd be under five hundred records, multiple, right? That's different. Big different abroad has deliver everything we thought he was going to the Claver -sation is about the coaching in about the supporting cast. Yes, doing what we thought. He. I was going to do hundred percent I and again, I am LeBron guy. But this is no underwhelming, Gordon. Over in Boston. He's underwhelming one. He got hurt. Then he got twenty six points last night in the victory over the six. Expectation for Gordon Hayward going to the Boston Celtics that this this business this this and it hasn't come to pass a good game last night. This has been a dreadful season for him. That's a free agent missed all last year, leg, that's the engines. Begin. So travis. You can't say that LeBron's. You know, the reason that they're over there because he's hurt and then say the Gordon Hayward disappointing in them, you see has broken leg as well. That's just part of it. It's it's either drink both or not you're here's the bottom. Hit. No, here's our. Your line on radio cost and Celtics were able to win you think that's fun four Gordon even Gok there. They were winning before. He even got the exactly he was supposed to be the of get them over the hump. Exactly. This is a team that was flawed when he got there. He's lifting them up the records better than what it was last salute. Even though he's been gone a month. He hasn't been gone a month. And they're still better than where they were a season ago question is about the cast and about the coachee he's delivered. I think we agree on. Done everything spirits him. Lebron number twenty three. He's given us. What we thought the Laker experience with LeBron is underwhelming. Yes. That part of it is. Yeah. But that's what he just said the coaching in the surrounding gas. Now Serambi cast is part of you know, allegedly what he wanted and all those sorts of things. Okay. It's not working out the way he thought eighties. Okay, fine. We give you that. But season's not over the see what he does the second half of the season. And we can beat a judge that when it's all said, and the fact that the matter is is that if this young core was who they were supposed to be the kind. Of course, you don't give a Paul George to kinda core. You don't you don't give up for men. He was opposed to be that kind of core. You don't need LeBron James on on the floor at all to beat the hawks. I think pass. Cabs or the New York knickerbockers. I think that's the I think the takeaway from this season is is two things. I if in fact, it goes the way that it appears to be headed which is either missed the playoffs or barely sneak in that the takeaway is not that LeBron is diminished the takeaways twofold number one, he got hurt for the first time ever. So keep your eye on that. We don't know what's coming. That's number one. But the second part is this backbone the spine of the team that you were unwilling to move for a long time you missed on that th they protecting that at all costs was a mistake. Because this the young core should be able to beat the Atlanta Hawks and the Knicks and the Cavs and all of these other pieces, I should be able to now they should be able to me we're missing to Zoton play Josh hearts out with a knee injury. But Brandon Brandon Ingram people were saying was going to be a poor man's, Kevin Durant. I got the poor man part. I'm still waiting for the Kevin Durant. We're not waiting for anymore. Putt day update. Sometimes he's. Don't do it for. That's why the Lakers weren't celebrating last night. But we're celebrating hope days. Right. Hope they win. And we're giving away tickets every hour to see the movie Rudy in concert. That's why it inspire Travis as a young youth watching with his father daddy at my. You know, my dad. Well, so much. All right now, here's how you win. Call eight seven seven seven ten. Eight seven seven seven ten why any so you up. So you up. Can I can I do this thing? Sorry. Yes. On the radio cut, his Mike. All right. So caller number seven who can answer this question who keep Sean think would not be a good fit for the raiders. Number seven. Listen to the next hour for another chance to win folks. Don't miss the greatest sports movie that Travis ever seen. That's right Rudi in concert. It's with the sound performed by live orchestra. It's going to be Saturday March thirtieth rate across right downstairs across street at Staples at the Microsoft center Ritter reindeer, that's okay. Okay. 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Shaq goes OFF about the Tiger King coverage, talks NBA with Hawks star Trae Young and jokes about the best quarantine stories of the week on The Big Podcast with Shaq

The Big Podcast With Shaq

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Shaq goes OFF about the Tiger King coverage, talks NBA with Hawks star Trae Young and jokes about the best quarantine stories of the week on The Big Podcast with Shaq

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The BIG PODCASTS was shack. We have a humongous show. Trae young of the Atlanta Hawks will join us. We will crown a twenty twenty borderline champion and in honor of a lot of waffle houses closing. This week will play a ceremonial round of Walmart or Waffle House. Now live from the cave in Atlanta. Georgia. It's John Kincaid. And the big off off all famous. Dj Diesel Kill Odor. You guys on his credit living care of us. It's mob Harare. It's my progress and not have to listen to you clowns. It's the big podcast with shack. He's Rob Jenner's he's be dog Brandon Harper. He's The star of the show. Shaquille O'Neal I'm music. Oh here we go. What do we have now? What's going on now by the way? We're socially distanced. Give me some music care for since Lou sensitive. Okay Hi. My name is Shaquille. O'neal I should kill into the world in one thousand nine hundred seventy two you over but you can make contact around ninety two so ninety two to two thousand twenty. I don't know how many years this I don't feel like doing. That's thirty years. Okay Nice round number. It was really round of showed you charity stuff real stuff every now and then I'll do human stuff and get in trouble. Whatever showed you that I would harm an animal. You know America go to assume right now that take a picture what they have to know about check on John. Ever to me. Say No to pitcher. No beat I'll give you ever see me saying no to pitcher now. Rob Have you ever seen me to say no to a pitcher just because I take a picture with a friend buddy? Just could just take a picture with you and say something for you a little video. You'll podcast don't down which you don't mean I do the stuff that you do. You know what I'd do the right thing. I do what I WANNA do. Okay and it's been the right thing since one thousand nine hundred sixty. I is in commercial to now. Tonight's yeah commercials. Those stupid little idiot's got something to say. You're not hurting my feelings. I Love Tigers. I really do. I have the time to open up seven running. I would you know how much I love. Animals Call Ron McGill from the Miami Sue. Savage been every zoo in the world. I love looking at Tigers Woah. I'm a tiger white tiger. I'm Marie you're not a white tie high Wycombe rare. Because you don't see a lot of me but if you get your ass in the cage you're going to lose all you little people. Listen just because I take Pichardo may not support you. Trust me on that okay. So I'm not going to address this anymore. Everybody trying to use my name for Click Bait. It ain't working. You still live with your Mama House in the basement only for a few more years no do corporate okay good economy purchasing video that you see on the little little little netflixing out. Two thousand eleven was when Kevin Durant was still planned for. Okay see the Golden. I must say to Durant you on some of his other. Twitter accounts knows negative. You GotTa make sure not sure say right not gonNA hurt my feeling because guess what I still got the best podcast world. I still got love and children still doing what I do. You're not gonNA hurt my feelings. Okay and it's just funny John. All people you've taken heat heat heat from who no answer to as the two people. G. O. D. AND EMO AMA K. Mucho Mi Mama. Mama says you just gotTa be careful but you know what I'm GonNa continue to be nice everybody because you know what makes you killing. They'll take I treat people as I expect them to be. Not as they are. I'll pull up to the zoo. You see guys says hey. I'm the owner zoo. Want me to show you around. I'd say yeah sure found out. He was doing all that stuff I got away from. I can't have my name involved but the little thing came up. I guess what are called Netflix. Wochit do they said Shack is public information. We have your permission. Let's say good point. Yes I did go on and say hey. I visited the thing about Tacos. I did say that. But don't treat me like I'm affiliated with this guy hurt animals. I don't hurt anymore but I'm GonNa hurt show asked if I see Ya. You say something to me. Are PEOPLE REALLY SPINNING? This person. Heard yesterday you kidding me. It was on the ESPN SCROLL YESTERDAY. Talked a lot about like shack clarifies. His relationship nine there was it was on the bottom of the. Espn Scroll Wow Yesteryear July he clarifies let me clarify. I'm talking to my best friends on my podcast we talking about. I'm not clarified. Nothing I got nothing to say. You should know me by the way if you don't know that ain't your problem shack. That's a problem then. Everybody who has ever taken a picture with OJ. Simpson thank you. This is any you. Oh my gosh. This guy's friends with OJ Simpson when I met. Oj Simpson and took a picture with them. Bullshit but because they have nothing else to talk about right now to talk about. But there's nothing else not razor. Oh my God I love you said Oh you took a lot of heat year right. Yeah a bad year. I bet you lost a lot of sleep. You know heat is when the boys knock on your door badges as he he he. I didn't realize it was being spun like somehow tied up in all this. I didn't even realize Joe Excitement. And apparently the teams e. a letter from does something. I don't know and and apparently to is that shock that You and Joe Exotic maybe spent one night together at the tiger together. That was one of them. Oh you know when all this kind of comes back to no no no no. That's not it sports. Please hurry up and come back. Yeah we really hurry up please. I beg of you there fishing. I've gotTa tell you though. Is that shock? I know how much respect first responders whether it's a police and fire and things like that but right now our first responders in the front lines. The DOCTORS THE NURSES THE MED. Tech's people working. It's rosaries stores right. I started started new thing couple bucks every single time. I check out two bucks every single time I check out for what just thinking to the person. They're standing there working in interacting with people and Mark Cuban started it. Give give a buck to or something to every person who checks you out when you stand in a store or something. Just give them like a tip and mark. Cuban actually was the one who put it out. There said this is a really good idea do it. And so I've started with. I got a bunch of ones and the pink ponies closed so You know it's a good use of being able to use the ones ubereats member. We talked about that music. Okay hold on the bump up. Oh Interest Sexy Music Music Louis. The wrath of shack. As you see my good friend John just gave props love to the first responders. You norm on the net today and I've seen this nurse cry. She's crying because her bosses will not let her wear masks while she's dealing with Kovic. Nineteen patients You know this low theories and where the mass work or not but don't you think a hospital administrator dumb ass you should have let your first responders feel safe what you think you should let them wear the mask so they don't get sick because if the first responders get sick we're going to hell baby. Oh Yeah we are going to hell this nurse. Just quit today. She said I can't. I can't take been here to do my job. I came with master called her and the opposite. Take your mask off. I don't know if it's true or not. I'm just saying assaulted. Maybe all you hospital administrators. Please let the work for you feel safe. Don't be dumb ass. Don't be all in your in your in arrogant Mo. These are times right now. We need to let this thing spread out. Need to let people get help so they can get it get get out of this system or whatever whatever but don't be hard. This is not the time to be hard or politically correct. We have to do the right things and a person to wear a mask so they feel protected so they can do the job to the best of their ability. Let them do it stupid. No one hundred percent yeah. I didn't even know that that was the thing that hospital people verify the story. I did see the video of the young lady. She put on social media. She said can't take it anymore because she doesn't have everything that she needs to properly do her job to protect them so she walked out. She's just guy can't do it. Risks that are It looks like your household Shack is quite fired up. You guys are still managing to find some fun in the daily in the daily grind. We breakfasts We ride a bike a couple of miles on the cardio. Boards gotTA DO Homework for twelve. Three Children Watch TV and then right before we go to bed Just got to try them for finance stuff to do the little DJ thing. I didn't kitchen hilarious. That was great and we we just record and went platinum. So you know all my. Let's do something else so last night. We had a quarantine challenge concert series and not a challenge a lot of celebrities. Because listen everybody everybody's GonNa to be on their phone and I just want to get people thirteen minutes. Somebody just laugh at the dance. Party was hilarious. Thank you who the hell was lose their I I saw I saw miles. Who was the last night now? I didn't see last night's you watch out. This is thirteen minutes. Your enjoyment okay. If there was a collective over under first of all are we all going to gain weight on this because I'm already up to towns already. Lost twelve pounds better than us. Bush knows crazy. I haven't even like I'm fully been committed to. I haven't I haven't really been cheating. Stayed away from the snacks and again. I'm just riding bike. She's doing whatever but If they put another thirty days on how to get like really really focused and you know just to see how much I can go now. 'cause 'cause I always said to myself okay. Listen to forty eight the EXPEC. 'cause already got all the mamas anyway if you understand but then. I said as I look over chose Barkley out. I want my belly hanging over my belt so I'm just I'm just. I'm just trying to stay flat. You see what I'm saying so I'm not really worried about the number as long as flat as coupon saying you know what I see like a little three point nine to two pack you see if I could just get it to six but I have to create some some type of motivation to really go thirty days hard. If not all rather just wake up sit down do what I do You know take my asthma medicine. You guys know what the Cold War. Yeah and then and then just relaxing just west team. I'm pissed at your Jim because I don't have one best low core. Come on you have serious I have. I don't have any way to this. Nestle even have way to have equipment in that house. You have a nice bike. You can ride. Don't we right outside? Okay that's great. We're not I mean. I'm thinking of going to Walmart today. Bike outside biker. Real actually journal that you should go to war. Wanted me tell you what why I rather go to places with minimum people so you know what I'm saying. I think store you know a lot of people. 'cause I actually went the other day. I had turnaround woke up. Why too many people with too it was just like committee. White people like make it clear though. Don't WanNA use the word. Don't care but you got guys sneezing and touching stuff now guy coughing and not covered like it was just you know just got to be too much you got guys over and the food section picking up the fruit looking at it smelling it and putting it back on your own like. You're you are a little freaked out by this though. No not but I'm just saying Walmart. It was like you know how to get the six intruder. Whatever it was like the one I to like five hundred people in every hour packed. Okay that's Okay. That's just looking. I was I don't really believe conspiracy theories up but I know when it comes to viruses hands to mouth right. Yes touch your face. Don't touch your face right. Yeah all that stuff so like when I when I was in there because I because I actually went to buy like a punching bag and some boxing gloves and I saw a guy picked up a peach. Look at it shaking his hand like Oh and then put it back. Okay that's disgusting. That's where you got to speak up and we gotta be saying what Mo no John's the authoritarian. He's GonNa shut. It would literally. Are you seriously doing that? He's GonNa blows rape was because I take this guy's going to be called out on it and then maybe he's not going to do it anymore. Do it again. He just won't do it while you they're just so my advice you just go bike. Store bike store is GonNa cost me three times as much talk by the way I would do. My I was the first guy. I guide and land with the new switch twenty-seven it's awesome sue shack. It's awesome to. Oh Man of my oven. Somebody wants to buy a bike at dollar general. You know what I want to buy the bike. Why would I go to Walmart Walmart on your crowded right? Hey Look wrote. We'll get you a bike. I don't need to be doing that. Speaking of Walmart we will play Walmart or waffle. Show today in honor of that note and and the fact that we've we've now had to have four hundred twenty waffle house locations closed new stuff with really really what we're honey down for good for now. Yeah which is incredible. I mean it really is when you start seeing waffle houses close because isn't that where they have the waffle house Waffle House Index Index. Which is what they use hurricane or any kind of terror. The anything anything that happens. How fast did the wall though the waffle house reopened? That's how they use the gauge economic recovery. Well now they're shutting down waffle houses so far away shock. I know you don't WanNa talk and we're not talking spiracy theories but one conspiracy theory out there. That was there that we now know. The wet market did not sell the BAT. The wet market never sold the bag. Then China okay that they fought cause the virus to be out there. I'm not going to get into that. No no no no. That's actual reported story. Now it's documented thing is that they go because when you have the number one parkas like we do judge rupp's. I don't even want to get into that okay. Yeah he's right. Yeah once again. You know you're dealing with it with the netflix stuff. Once your names attached to something that gets spun at dillard nothing. Well understand me. Rob Jenner's really with me. He was serious. He got the name right name. Robert Al You get into your Aloe Robert Allen Robert Allen Jenner's Robert Allen's in Alan Jenner's meet a second Harbin's know what what what's your middle name. What makes it doesn't I don't have when you don't have one either. What should what does the middle of all black people got? Our show is at the my father. Eugene Eugene Their Black People Dad my dad and my brother middle name Eugene early about that time that the more people have their name to what I think. Now let me see your driver's. His driver's license says his middle name is Ru Paul. What are those heels by the way? Why are we never had rupaul? Show I'm sure Rupaul. In the Shogun seriously I charing young tells a fan of the NBA and here in Atlanta Rupaul. By the way some very very good interview a lot of interesting stories and I probably only ran into shock one or two nights in once once one time go get me that we we do have a couple of by the way TRAE. Young's good join us here in about. Oh man less than ten minutes. We're going to hear from trae young from the Atlanta Hawks. Oh that's great news That's cool I do WANNA play. You brought up Ron McGill. I was texting with. Ron McGill today to see if he was able to come on. The zoos closed right well. This is closed but still look out for a thing. Now where people are turning in their pets to humane societies and shallow. Because they're afraid that the animals are going to give them covert one thousand nine. Hey cannot get colder nights. I can't even rub. Yeah that's the only way people goal giving them a pit bull of much. Of course tonight the white people they actually have the dog live in the house shack. We the black white story here though. That really does add to this. And I want to give credit to your to your people and Robin Robin on nine. He Made People Robin. I need to apologize. On behalf of our people do anything. Yeah well guess what shack by the way they're saying as far as social distancing sheltering in place now this was in Atlanta today the black community is doing a far better job than the white community no surprise at all. It's not even close. They're saying about people on the street. How about eighty percent in variable white communities? There's eighty percent more people that are like rummaging about and and roaming the streets and doing this stuff and in the African American communities people are following directions. And they're locking down. I'll tell you why okay tell me why you your people understand how to follow directions. Better than my go. You're on your people. My people one black people don't have time to get sick who can't afford to use it when you have when you have a pandemic like this and you tell us to sit down and just chill out okay cool. We'll have to ask them more questions. You tell us the cool out because there's a pandemic and we could get sick and we could die. We can't afford a funeral because we can't afford to saying that wasn't community has less common sense serious. That's what I think when I hear your point John and so they say the bureau has out past ten o'clock he can't lock up. Brother can't get that third strike. You know what I got today. Officially in rob you may have checked it in your email before the show today. All the papers. We got the papers official now to be able to carry with us because we are essential part of broadcaster to carry it away just central government if we get pulled over for check. We're not we're not joking. Says the papers now and guess what you don't have them in. We do guess. We don't need them. Oh Hell No. He doesn't need them during a big enough set of handcuffs to around his wrists with him to take them into the police garden taking me so when I don't know a whole solo so y'all can't be up what well we can be out anytime we want. Because we have the papers. The papers There's Fulton County right now. Which city of land is in a in a mandatory lockdown? I don't live in Fulton County. I live in Henry. Careful go be careful and just make sure and if you need papers we've got them. Okay so John on your story. Why why is it well? It's A. I'm I'm asking you guys because I honestly I didn't realize that the African American community Atlanta is far better rule followers. Because we got we got stuff to do and if we got something. That's impeding on what we need to do all right. We're going to sit this out. Wake to this all comes down to smooths over it so we can go out of handle our business. Dare-devils really said that before or you don't see out of these videos and climbing buildings and jumper from building to building West wight my points case. You got look you got Black Panther. Yeah but but he got black joins here speaking of black folks and and anxious John. Just let rob in on the joke. Yeah exactly thank you. Do you have on today's edition of Let me? That was my favorite that might be honestly and hearing from other people on social media. It may be their favorite moment in the zone. We'll look we are not crazy. I thought you playing old one off serious plan. Now that it's now known as the know Bama interview forever be referred to that which is Great. Thank you for keeping keeping our streets safe from covert nineteen and why apologize for my people. Keep ourselves six hours later. People Glide my anger Wa. You people love that moment. How except rob? Everybody else might allow. There wasn't a fan. You know what you know what I'm going to go home. Let's just I walked out. I can I bring you the audio of the week this week. Yes this is from a reporter named Dion. Braxton who works for K TV 'EM in Montana. It's an ABC NBC affiliate. He was reporting outside Yellowstone National Park. He's a black guy. I saw a herd of Bison Cord. Him here was live skits three home. My God Oh my God choose. Taxes camera no listen. No no taxes stutters and throws leaves. We'd like animals but we not messing around with. No no no no no wrong. When he once drove through stopped and bought the three on their fire he bought by San appearing in a documentary staring crack cocaine. Dealing advice at Buffalo. Bill under the table shocking. Hot Water again. Three hole every time you speak wheels come up with a new set with the new say was shacking hot water again back in trouble water story that. I'm bringing up to bring them up. No no you're not gonNA WANNA talk about this one. God bringing down the people on the board of directors it Papa. John's all pissed off is not the board of directors is a outside company recommends to the Board of directors. I mean there We'll we'll note so Shagong Joel Right. Yes no I missed meetings. Yes I did but going into the contract. They knew that I was going to miss those meetings. The outside board didn't know that. Oh they were writing today like it's a scandal of course no ride again headlines but did you see the new pit the New Article now. As Sharks John Board sets unopposed as critics reversed stance. Well that's nice okay. Voted to you. Yeah they had your back yes because they knew I told him I said listen. I'm on the border records but I'm signing on March understand. I'm I don't know what your businesses but my bins is already got must practice though we're not into but guess what when you criticize shack missing free throws you know what I'm GonNa come do so next year. I will miss a meeting because I know don't say now I'm not GonNa Happen. I'm I'm not GonNa Miss I'm not GONNA so You know they're trying to make me look irresponsible but you know one thing when it comes to business I take my business very responsible and begin this just people not knowing what's going on. They just looked at the thing like oh he missed me. He shouldn't be a board member. It's called hate but you can't hate good job. Yeah good on you. Apicella told them what the numbers would like ever since you became a board member. I don't want to talk about all that. Bib Number for themselves interface shadow. We don't do that but if you get hungry around Georgia Tech Area. Call four seven. That's what prank call. The what's her name Papa. John's segments shack in hot water shack in hot water. And we're going to bring that back all right trae young joining us in just a minute here. Hey so right now. Times are tough money's tight. We've got a real easy way too seriously. Trim some money from your monthly budget. It's called Mint Mobile. Love Them. Let me guess you're still overpaying big wireless for your monthly service by the way. Have you asked yourself what you're paying for? Let's see an expensive retail stores inflated prices hidden fees? Unc Your money. So let's fix issue into our friends at MIT mobile mobile provides the same premium network covered. You used to but at a fraction of the cost because everything is online and look at it this way maybe like rob who's paying for an unlimited plan that he doesn't even need. I fixed and like him. You're probably paying up to forty bucks a month or more. I was meant mobile. Can Get you that service just for fifteen bucks a month. Every plan comes with a nationwide talk and text data plans with three eight or twelve gig afford G. L. T. A. Data aren't paying for a bunch of data. You're not using. Oh Yeah keep your number and your contacts and just ditch all this junk and start saving with mobile to get your New Orleans plan for just fifteen bucks a month and get the plan shipped to your door for free go to mobile dot com slash shack. That's meant mobile dot com slash culture. Wireless build a fifteen bucks a admit mobile dot com slash. Trae young from your show. We love how are you trade shack? I'm good good shack? This young man has re I mean I. I can't go during normal times when everybody's out in the streets you can't go anywhere and not see kids wearing trae younger well. First of all is trait. Go Way back I gave him. The name is dre because he's cold idol. I don't think you guys know that. I didn't know that. Trump is found out to known. And that's rare trait trays. One of my favorite guys guys always asked me. How come you so hard on the guys that you like a little guys? I love the little guys because they always do stuff I couldn't do. I think trae I want to use the term next steph curry but trae will be the next next here at gratiot going to be the next guy that you know. Every time he touch the ball things going on but trades a little mad last time. Trey so me lots of money that right trae you want to tell a story you want me to tell it. Yeah no I'm GONNA tell the story. We saw that the. Oh You lsu game and I walked into the box office. And when I saw shock I was New Battle is going to go down. Boy We were making a friendly wager. Bet It it Kinda stuck because that day Oklahoma was not on an he one and everytime court says down he was looking at me. I could tell you trade. The after Sports Talk Radio in this town for twenty five years. I have never seen so many people energized about the hawks because of you and it really because you because your teammates. But it's because a you and the energy you're bringing into that team and that franchise right now. It's amazing for me. The best thing for me I I wanted to come in and make an impact right away on. Not only our team. But I mean the city in a fan and They've really embraced the city around the base me. So I'm just trying to do my part in bringing excitement And hopefully Try to try to build some win. bring some winds here to Atlanta ladies area. Trey wingo you just like everybody else is sitting back wondering what's going on in a perfect world. What would you like to happen? Would you want to play off to start immediately? You WanNA finish out the Games you WANNA play later. In the summer we went to seem to be cancelled. What would you like to happen in a perfect world in a perfect world For me I wanNA come back Of course when everything down everything's better but At least play play the Games. I mean I know we need to get seventy games. I think that's the whole league thing to get the TV TV money for us Not to push things too far back. I mean I WANNA watch playoffs. I WANNA I want everybody. Who's in the playoffs? They deserve to be there to play Play those games. I don't want to be pushed too far back to where it's raining to. The beginning of next season with aussies is not necessarily a big break in. We can train and get better so I don't know I definitely feel I made his play but we know that would be true. You and Luca always going to be linked obviously because of the draft night deal and I think. Both franchises are thrilled with what they've gotten and how it all came together. But what about you too? I mean you realize historically both of your accomplishments team accomplishments and player accomplishments are always going to be compared from this day forward. Yeah Yeah we You we talked about that. We obviously know you. We're going to get paid for each other For me I'm just embracing it I don't I don't really pay attention to too much People ask about draft night trade a lot but for me. I'm just focus on myself. My team and trying to make make my team win is kinda crazy. Both all-star starters are taking year and Doing the things we've done and accomplish in our thinking years together. It's kind of crazy so you know I was. I was once told by these. Were all products of our environment. Like when I was coming in the league myself at the Rally Lee Dave Rob's Patrick Ewing. When you were growing up. Your Dad was very influential in because he was a great player. Who Did you? Who did you monitor your game for me? It was always denies Growing up watching watching him. Watching highlights him Chris Paul Staff those are probably the three main guys And also Chauncey Chauncey billups. Those four guys are probably my mom name guy that I watched lose where they scored from how they got this. Like that of the four main guy. Trae is Is this whole social distancing going on obviously you miss the interaction if such great interactions with your fan base. Are you going crazy? Are you going crazy? Like not being cut off because you're always out and about people always see around this Ob- obviously on active in the community. Try to be try to be very involved a lot of my fans day by dad so for me. This is the the time where social media can be used in a good way For me be able to show the fans what doing when I'm at home or things like that To stay to stay in touch my fans and think that's just a good time to be able to use your social media platform in the right way. The ones putting general manager hat right now guys. Okay now we want to be. What would it take for you guys to be an elite team? That Atlanta was to be honest I think we have the piece that we need. I think we just need to get more experience and I think we just need to get older There are times this year are starting all twenty two or younger and so I mean as you know like the best team in the League. I'll bet Off guys who have experienced In the League and for me. I don't want it to be just a just a AC two seven. I WANNA be incentive for championships and so I think as we get older and build more chemistry together I think that's all we need. I think we need more experience. And that's GonNa come and I'm excited about what we had. Church tried talking about. You know you're young guys in your youthfulness Just the whole team being young two guys in particular the Andrea Hunter and cameras. Talk about the steps that they've taken you know up until now how impressed with you are with their development as players in how you see them fitting into the mole going into the future. Yeah I mean they. They both had to. I mean really good. Rookie years most really different Dion Jay is definitely more solid throughout the whole year. Just stay at. His pace played really well from the beginning. And just to play really solid all year for us and then can. I had to kind of like a season like mine. Where my rookie? My rookie year. Where I kind of started out kind of slow and it took maybe a month or two. Maybe three months. We're not playing really well but then after that it just it just shot up and he finished out the season really well playing at a high level right before this all happened. It was good to see you guys play this year comedy years before you over. Take Steph. Curry is the best shoot. Put put you on the spot. Let's go crazy crazy numbers. But he's all he's oldest. Hell right true contract politically correct. Monja to say hi. Oh his come on and say ooh true. Two Years Goals here. I love that. That's awesome. You work hard. Yeah that's right now. I believe that was a challenge being thrown out. Because I heard that trays gonNA use social media interact with people and everything and shack. You've been clowning on social media everyday of the week I mean. Aren't you gonNA throw some sort of a challenge to trae young? My corentin concert family constant Jones so I challenged him to you know do something back. Ok. Then because he'll find you trae once the social distancing over he's going to find you if you don't follow. He's here in the cities around great job. Trae we thank you for your time today. Thank you got high percentage right buddy. Thank trae young from the Atlanta Hawks? That's awesome Kidman. You're down around the hawks very often and obviously people around the entire. Nba are starting to notice this young man as one of the true young stars of the game. He's brought an energy to that franchise. That wasn't there. Oh no I'm I mean he cares. Love Him oh absolutely every time even before the game starts there a couple of hours early. Most of the media's and you're saying him he always ends his shoot around with sitting on the sideline and taking a shot from Steph does it from the From the corridor with the players come out at arena. What you know Trae will sit on the bench and keep shooting until they'll make it and that's how you shoot around and everybody's just standing around waiting for him he's GonNa make it on the first try it's GonNa make it on a second try and once he makes it you just hear. Everybody starts challenged. He's challenged people out of the stands. Absolute he's challenged security guards to take a shot challenge brother. He made his little brother. Do push-ups sideline. I mean shack. He gets. He has the shack. Jean that idea that it's a show that told us guys that your father told you. They paid their hard earned. Money to come to that one game so you better play your ass off because that might be the only game guy gets to trae young gets that he totally gets a he's there to entertain. Yeah and he absolutely gets it and you talked about you. Brought up trey and Luca to him one thing. I think both cities obviously have one that trae sure quick trae when it comes to the to the dynamic of the city of Atlanta in the culture he fits Atlanta Soul Wail Just the nickname ice ice train. Here buddy you know doing the little you know the frozen thing and every it just fits Atlanta so wealth culture leads is it it just Kinda went. It's absolutely thank you for joining us. A one thing. You don't need to be social distancing yourself from your balls seriously. You can't get away from them. They're always with you. So how are things looking down there more than ever hygiene and cleanliness matter? Hope you're listening shack. You need those engineered tools. Fear family jewels from our great friends at manscaping. Your Maz- capers forever. Change Groom game with the perfect package. Three point essentials kit with the new and improved all more three point. Oh waterproof callers body trimmer with that. Cutting EDGE CERAMIC BLADE TO PREVENT MANSCAPING accidents. And of course. 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Who Do you guys think advanced to our championship around here almost Barclay. I'm GonNa Guess that's hard. I'll I'm GONNA Guess Chuck. It has to be hard to ski. Hey Chuck all right. Well the finals serger though you you have to pull the last night I would you pulling the trigger? I thought I was getting him to shock on the. What's my favorite moments catch? Buddy Johnson is not paid enough money. He's not all right. So Chuck Chuck is a finalist. He's facing the winner of the world's worst stutter or the or the game not doing laugh at this job here last time. More time to get get electrocuted. Let's up an Iraq Ryobi to take a step daughter and four has a positive and negative negative album. Eleven A. K. C. U. That'll meet you at. Who is who is that up against that one was up against. We'll bring in the studio this morning right Mr Julian on Zima. Thank you for coming in. You are so as we stand today. Yes you have. A girlfriend is saying to widen transition. You having a girlfriend. Doesn't that make you gay? I am a mill an attractive female. So he's the best who is gay one going to finals in a landslide. Doesn't that make you so now? It is up to the room. Who's going to be your twenty twenty borderline champion? I'm GonNa give you a minute to marinate on it because we have to welcome in our previous champions. Oh Okay let's do that crowned on show number forty three the winner of the Twenty Sixteen Borderlines Bracket Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome Mr Turner to the show. Kenniston Mr that you have been arrested for driving. Under the influence of alcohol are being moved around. I wouldn't also driving. Term testing put a stormy min arrested for driving while driving under the influence of alcoholic beverages. Model glue food. I refill me. My license already screaming took thing I take a breath test. What can take a breath to move breath that he goes? I didn't videotape. You Sir hike this who I never. I never heard that before it was under the influence of that Admiral Glue. I'm going to be honest with you. Damn right there may be the best so the best of all time beginning but honestly it's set borderline in motion honestly as I. Champion crowned on show ninety seven laser. Gentlemen please welcome borderline champion Magic Johnson. I wanted to be hanging out at wanting sweating. I Know Magic GonNa give it to them very good. It took me face. Had with Mike Golic over the Michigan Michigan State Game. I believe Notre Dame Michigan Mike. Greenberg were so scared of magic saying that he quit the show come down twenty eighteen winter crowned on show number one forty eight high. Please welcome Shannon Sharpe to the show res Knees Okay. Trust it just fine. You know what is about to be Sunday. We'll have to isis from. Put IT in t but to the whole so but you Paul George you get it to and last year slashers. Champion crowned show two. Oh one during our live show. Spectacular Shack also brought this one to the show him up. I I love that because then. Lsu won the national title. Good luck. It's joined that hall of Refined Gentleman. Who's going to go? Is it GonNa be Chuck or is it going to be your game come on? I know John's for me for you. It's chuck sue borderlines on their. Oh wait a minute. We're going to because it's you are gay our gay. Who's Gay I who may have to put this to twitter? Then I'm saying you say just because ignorant ause you're going to. It's going to be put it to. Twitter are because we are in a deadlock and I promise you. The listeners of this podcast are overwhelmingly. It is going to be a blow out. It's going to be a blowout or job. Why would that be the? That's how it's going to win. It's going to win because it's damn funny. It's very natural. You gotTa Find A. Who's on twitter? If it's Mr sensitive care so it's GonNa be it's GONNA be everybody listens to this podcast all right Rob Curley no NBA Nhl no major league baseball. But if you think there's nothing to bet on well you're wrong. We got a big one this weekend. Wrestlemainia thirty six. It's a tunein event to yes Saturday. The fourth Sunday the fifth hosted by GRONK. Oh my gosh. An exclusive partner bet online all the wrestlemainia. Thirty six action. Okay wait a minute here. The worst day when we we always here buddy. Hey fellas how you doing David would have been final four weekend and instead it's Wrestlemainia weekend. You guys never take a weekend off at bed online. Now he's actually been busier than ever even though the NBA March madness hockey. Melby all on the back burners way back burners I mean we've been scrambling here we've been putting up a lot of interesting stuff on the site and like you said. Wrestlemanias this weekend. A lot of books. They're offering stuff like wrestlemainia but we have a full offering out there so If you're a wrastling fan we got a good offering for you. What are some of the things you're looking at for? I mean I know the big the big match I think is GonNa be the edge Randy Orton. That's the one I think. Most people are looking forward to you. You guys have lines on that one. Yeah we we have him on edge the minus five hundred favorite. So he's the heavy favorite randy warned the tape back on him as plus three hundred And there's all sorts of championship by Shayna battler minus one a favorite burs Becky Lynch brought. Wesner the UFC fame. He's a plus two twenty. Five underdog against drew McIntyre and Rick F- layers daughter Charlotte players plus one thirty five favorite versus real rippling another championship belt. So I mean there's a ton of bows out there and We got odds on all of them and and come on and embed them you know. A lot of people are like well. How can you offer these Wrestlemainia? You know somebody bookstore do it but We have a guy who loves the sport and then he's passionate about it. He knows more about this than anybody. I know he throws it out there and he'd be put on the board and let people into that one hundred percent bonus still going on. I believe it online. F This is a great opportunity. Promo Code podcast. One spell it out. Podcast and Yeah one hundred percent sign of bonus so if you're if you haven't started in account bent on yet Wrestlemainia weekends a good time to do it especially with the props going on and we're all we all. We're all betting on sports coming back so we just gotTa look at this. I can only imagine what football season will be like after Kovic. Nineteen is out of the picture and everybody is back and everybody has a few dollars in their pocket again. It's going to be Great Dave. Your Party and Turkey. Derby it's going to be in September and so they're gonNA postpone all this stuff and we're GONNA go for months without doing anything and then all of a sudden there's GonNa be every day about four weeks of each other it's GonNa be Great. Give me one hour party. But in the meantime you know we got the poker room and we got the casino. Both of those are open for business though. The numbers over there through the roots are setting records over there where sports are down at that are poker room and could seen are setting records. So everything's good over here bet online so the one hundred percent sign up bonuses still there for you bet online. Is Your online sportsbook experts. Thanks Dave Care. All right well look. We talked about Walmart earlier in the show. We talked about waffle house earlier in the show. We gotTA do around a Walmart or waffle house in honor of all the all the craziness in the world. We'll try try to have a laugh. I'll give you a walmart. You say you see even like that one all right look though or the stutter happening. Walmart or you're laughing at stuttering tomorrow and sportscenter shack lamps stutter. Jackman stutter used to be a stutterer. So he's gay. Yeah sorry that's a nice pay all right well Story Number One. You gentlemen just have to tell me if this happened at Walmart happened. Awful House. Police responded to calls about fight between several men at this location. One that began when a group of men asked another man. What's your favorite song? And when he told them they started to sing it while they got mad when he refused to sing along and they jumped him so. When did this impromptu singalong slash fight start okay? So shacks and Waffle House. John's also I'm assuming saying waffle house your spoon. I don't eat Walmart's I don't know that all right so that's a that's going to be a point for both of you to start out awful. How Small Word is fight of? Never find a woman. Oh No. There's Real Walmart. Oh my gosh do some research. I do for this game story number. Two an older couple drew some attention at this location when an employee asked how long they've been together and the woman said seventy years and when they asked how long how they've managed to last so long the man replied she refuses to die. Did that happen in a Walmart or did it happen to Waffle House Jive? John's guests Walmart Shacks Walmart Johnson's Waffle House. That old couple where the old woman refused. The die happened at a Wal Mart. Yes I John. The people don't have time talk. Could Okay those. Those are hustling. Yeah story number. Three a manager had to step in to work out a fight between an employee and a woman who was loudly complaining that her water had no flavor. It happened a Walmart or did it happen at a waffle house Walmart Jackson's Walmart Johnson waffle house. This woman trying to return twelve packs a man. Oh bullshit no that was. That was a while for house. Purposely misleading all right number four. A high school teacher was arrested outside dislocation after she drunkenly called one of her fourteen year old students at one. Am and asked if he would drive her to this location. Take her car. Fourteen year old student at one of the morning. Will you drive me to this location? Was she being asked to be driven to a Walmart or waffle house Waffle House waffle house? Time everybody's saying Wafaa is yeah. I think it's one of the morning. You're pretty sure that the The drunk people are gonNA compromise awful house fourteen year. Olds you know. What do you feed them? You know it's mix the fourteenth you feed them no teacher the teacher story number. Five police responded to a call about a man at this location who was dressed in a clown out. Vilma God smoking meth in the parking lot. Right here in the great state of Georgia. So is the man in his car. Smoking meth dressed as a clown in the parking lot of a walmart or a waffle house. John's also saying waffle house in your both GonNa get a point. That happened at awful. How guys in a clown suit and he smoked meth in the parking lot. I'm running John's Daban to pin myself freaking out story number six Police had to break up a fight at this location after a man shouted to another customer. Hey stupid and the man turned around and looked but then realized Stephen pranked at a fight broke out. This were thrown. We invited Ana John's back in the game and that was a Walmart and Walmart. Hey stupid and the fight broke out at mark Story number seven yet. Another fight broke out when a customer commented on one employees Tattoo that said loves sally. The customer joked. His mom's name is sally. The employee Said who do you think the tattoos about and they have fistfight full on broke out from their Walmart or waffle house. I have those wrong. We'll go WHOA system John's also waffle house and yeah that was a waffle house ship with his long Sally Tattoo. That's a great answer story. Number eight police were called on a man who had an entire makeshift pharmacy. Working out of the back of his car in a parking lot with over one hundred different prescription medications available for low prices. That happened in the parking lot. The full makeshift pharmacy a Walmart or a waffle house. I have John's answer. Shaquille O'Neal was Johnson's. He can't say head while he's choosing not to share it but I have to win a good waffle house. A different answer said Walmart shacks awful. Oh you can't go these stories too hard to find journey noah by one. This is not a lot of people outside in a Walmart. Parking lot listed packing their bags right in trouble a waffle house. Because it would be very conspicuous. They probably got twenty spots. Have you been to a waffle house? No much conspicuous garbage happens in Iran. All right story number. Nine police responded to a call from a frantic woman outside dislocation claiming a stranger driven away in her car. When the police arrive turned out it was her husband who she'd forgotten was with her with her daughter and she forgot he was there and called the Cops Walmart Flomo different answers John's back in there. That's a Walmart I need. This wanted to go. Yeah here we go shock you gotTA ANSWER First Question. Ten tie-break here. We go finally employees estimate at this location if he needed assistance cleaning his head which had a large dollop of bird poop on it. He said he knew it was there but he already showered this morning. And he's going to handle tomorrow. So did the guy with marching shack is okay so the first of all and that's at Walmart all right so shack. Say Awful House which you've guessed walkout and I would have guessed a Walmart's well and I would've guessed a And I guess he was also a Honky ocoee offensive to your people. Jefferson's it was a great word. Loved it it did happen at a at a wall. So that's going to be a win for shack. Ask You wash your hands Stu away from me. 'cause you alot and then you. WanNa Brag about of twenty twenty car tyzzer. I'm wearing a wipes rob God only weeks ago. Still bringing John Alabama voted lights. Israel has sanitizer off. Everybody stay in come outside followed on twitter podcast with. Shag on his. I gotTa love it and we appreciate everything again Submit everything enduring this time. Hopefully you send us some coronavirus pictures of your way. You're doing your corn while you're gonNA stay with us and we appreciate you love. Y'All Shaquille we'll see you next week. Buddy okay so that's it great ball of the guys on twitter at Shack at John Kincaid and at Rob Jenner's or get more clips and nonsense on instagram and facebook at the big podcast with shack. This has been an exclusive presentation of podcast. One sports with new episodes every week at podcast. One DOT com.

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Episode 108 "Homegrown"

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Episode 108 "Homegrown"

"Iheartradio and the US Census Bureau wanted to do something special for the class of twenty twenty, so we made commencement a new podcast with boards of inspiration from the biggest names like Palsy while we can be sold a lot of things. We will never buy a dream cash. Becky G and pit bull generational change the world listen to iheartradio's new podcast commitment in partnership with twenty twenty census speeches available now on Iheartradio, APP or wherever you get your podcasts, remember you can do something that will affect the next ten years so if you lived in a dorm, don't worry. Your school will count you if you didn't visit twenty two thousand census dot Gov to be counted. Seat see. Eight Ferrari, Sims. FAVORITE ESPN SINCE SOLO We sounded just like yeah sounds just like. I can say that okay. I will judge. Guys we has gone by. It's like. The days are mixed together. I don't even know. Why do you have a new hairstyle obt? Saying Quarantine Braids had to come up showdown tied into my hair. I am right behind you is these little? Rolls right have they had a Gal Got, haircut. Haircut a couple of days ago. It was cool, just a little lineup. My hair was going crazy, crazy, crazy and but. No my Barbara comes to me. Say! Yes. To me meanwhile, my Nell technician is. No. You either coming to us. We got a special guest joining us today who we got. Miss Jamea Morton, I I met her. A She was one of the main people that the Atlanta Hawks. He was not just a cheerleader, but she was doing a lot of hosting on the ground on the court side, and she was doing a lot of stuff like that. Then all of a sudden I saw her doing radio and. Then all of a sudden I doing the morning show streets now, four five I, actually did a couple of morning shows with her, so we're GonNa, be talking there then I see her on TV on Atlanta housewives in She's has had a baby. She's married. She got a lot going on, so we're going to come in and. Co Host with us today. I love it. You're listening to the baller show. An it career at Gd. It means owning the opportunity to play a crucial role in transforming how agencies operate join DDAT for challenging impactful work that advances your career apply now at Gd it dot com slash careers ged. Billy veteran. Shamila more in his joining us right now. The volunteer show. How's it going amount? Man is going going I'm to be cold and twentieth one so. Things that I've witnessed. Do I've I saw you. cheerleading Atlanta Hawks, but you want just a cheerleader. You were on the sidelines doing reporting. Yeah I actually landed into that after the fact you know. Being at the right place at the right time deal I started out here in Actually Weird people realize I started with the Hawks back in two, thousand, three, hundred, eighty myself, but back in two thousand through rookie season cheer for them I. Let them and went to the Falcons where I did like five six seasons. I was like I wanNA. Do some broadcast off. WanNa I've studied at Morris Brown. Broadcast journalism sounds. Like in game stuff, I like football like people you know, so I've been doing radio and be with Ryan and Ryan was the plug one day. The current existing host didn't show up she was. CAUGHT IN LA. and. He was like you ready. Already gave me the script and killed nearly okay, you don't Let. In when not available you can just jump in there do. It. Just happened so crazy thing by text me in their the me and like Hey, do what you do. How do I do it? I'm like. Yeah very young is, there's no. Guest list of how to do out. Right start out hosting little stuff in around the city, and then you know our way. I wasn't the way here we go, so. Often I'm going. I forget where I was gone. It was like no I was going to the club, I? And I hate. You won't be one author Asa Damn. This girl was on the radio I was I was at the halls game I saw her on the big screen. All of a sudden I leave through the streets now. Four or five I had to fill in on the morning show. Coming in with a little Bit Valley Doing the morning show. Yeah, a little sudden. I think within the same. We I saw you on TV. Ads. Modest less visa. These all. Take. Last. You have a baby. Very. That's a lie. A lot like I mean, and she's actually one of the few women on the Atlanta housewives that is married. She's. Looking to man, let me tell you my. Older I'm this like you know everybody? Always, there's light at. Everything that's happening in my life some bad shit. That's happening my pets, and that's why I tell people to encourage you. Know I mean like this because you don't succeed or you don't feel it. God is working through you always for you so. If, you WanNa to do great things you. We are all this great? We just got to figure out what we WANNA do. Walk in that like so for me. I always like of always been real big on people and just you know. On a socialite. I thought they all were hands. Ham Radio, TV music. Hosting! It's all like. Mary to other winning innocence, because you like people, you just like people don't really matter. Don't at work. You just out and about is hanging out. No, yeah, you know I. Kind of stopped me you. Though rory I feel like I'll be. Going over there. Were you originally from Shamiya. I'm from here in Atlanta okay okay. Reportable. I'm so right now. I'm in Sandy Springs, but you know I'm a decatur baby. Born at emory Crawford long in the city we have lots of. Great move like Mama may handle money were used for. Grain okay. And I graduated from High School of. Job at Wycliffe. A bunch of emigrated. By five six. Refit, at car. Now. I'm from Atlanta. The cater southwest. The cab highs will. Get into the hawks. How'd you get into the arena? Did you always want to be a part of it or yeah? I got into hosting the Hawks by way of dancing and cheering, but that's people knew me, but I got the hosting Gig from Ryan Camera. Ryan Me Ryan. Plug Me Radio Ryan is my mentor when it comes down to like radio and hosting this stuff, so he's really disagree on his when he was doing. You know you can easily to the dating of like. Go you said. You. Up You got inaugural. got. Robbed out to Ryan to, he's recovering steel, right and I. USED TO RUN A. Business Show. For like three years Sephora. Be Yeah it all all having work with. You know since you mentioned cheerleading. I do want to know maybe some locker room. Tales girl tell means. Did you ever date any of the players while you're cheerleading? You I didn't I've never been really into athlete. The white collar guy I want the accountant that you. You know you hired I. Want Your Rip Your Lawyer. You're that guy you know. Matt. Wait I'm hooked him up with. Girls all over it to like girls. Club how is sure and I'm always like the friend of all athletes. Like let's Party and brain them girls and bringing the Shimmy is. Already Know, that was that was kind of my role aged. Also million. You're the one that they won't try. They won't disrespect. And disrespect girlfriends. Feel uses. Play the whole I didn't know he will. Let him do that to you. God's how? Jit. Should. You know that for African American women. It's Kinda hard to basically accomplish them there anything, did you? Did you find any type of hardships when you were chairing to announcing because of your ethnicity at all or was everything? Move or you? In my career period, they're always like sandbags, but you use those to move for a key. If you can figure out a way to use it to your advantage, it works for me out of the token girl and our rent with us you. Chocolate, girl. I back in the day back in two thousand three, like when when I first started dancing and cheering, that was no actually started exited my first role in drumline a movie where? We saw Donna Yeah Right Oh. For me, you know I gotta go back and watch. Yeah me, too. Yeah, you got a lot. For me like exact and I mean I hate to sound like this, but. How would is changing to where? Chocolate, and black is now beginning to D- beautiful always been beautiful, but they're. They're starting to see it so back. In the day. It was the same way on the sidelines like I can't wasn't agree like like you had to be mixed or you know or you had to be exotic car. and. I'm like Hey I'm chocolate. Is Hill like this is what you're going to get an so crazy because I remember one time I went to a school in Atlanta elementary school, and his little girl came fight near Chile or another hand she was like. How'd you get on a team? Because you're so black. Line, no Garon. I'm working lagman magic because you. Nam Dark Skin I wrote my heart because I'm like well. How long would you say that you know like me growing up and we I have two older sisters. My older sister's light light light. Then my middle sits. There is like museum and then all the chocolate. But. We my three shades. You know what I mean, but we loved it and my parents would be like. We're a little chocolate drop. We're. Barbie and thought start at home a new lease it can, we can use this at our amounted to push us or like for sure I I WANNA say as a woman though there have been some hiccups I'm a singer, I started out entertainment periodically started dancing, because I was singing and Ala and different groups in and when would. You probably know somebody. People have had their big moments. But for me, it was like you know just. I don't WanNa have sex with you I WANNA. Do Music with you WANNA create. Make money with you. And that's why represent different good representation always in this industry, because you don't have to be the one speaking like you can just go in there and be the artists, and that is the hardest thing I feel for me, being serious as an artist, and as an entertainer and as like. CanNot Smash I? Think that's a struggle for women, period and entertainment. GSA 'cause I've come across that a lot. Of. The, Worst like. You marry, but you had some friends like I oughta. Be at Dr Secret Yeah. We you know and it's like what I. To! Do, this in, not smash you. Definitely like octavius said it happens all the time in every way. I worked in night life for a little over ten years in. The first position I had I, was the email girl okay? I was young I'm the email girl and I'm just like Oh my God like I'm out here looking crazy while he's talking to me then it's like as the cashier. It didn't matter what you did. It didn't matter what look what you had on. If you're walking, you had a Jonah and they on on. They were going for it. It's so disgusting. Is Sad because you know. I mean I'm sure I'll have y'all. Hey Brian. Of mazing right to be honest with you. I'm a reformed. There have been a lot of guys in the industry that would tell me like you also want to work with you. Whether it was jumping on my brunch or coming up with new events to do or whatever the case was, there was always this underlying thing of wanting to have sex and palm on when when riots at me under his wing. You wouldn't believe are I. Never told you this, but a couple of women hit me were like hey. You have no idea that you are working with a jam rar. Is the only man that ever made me feel comfortable? He's never tried me and I was like. I think it has. Deeply love my wife Yes. Oh, wow, and Probably love for your daughters to. Be running across. LISTEN LADIES LISTEN, listen! We're talking about Regina cool. Let's talk about the Vagina on TV that. Is. In acquaintances with now you are way before you go to our I. Just WanNa and Shimmy on the spirit. You know of your dispirit of a black woman like a darker. Kissed. Black are woman you know because a lot of people have that attitude, you know and I just I come across so many people with either negative attitudes, even lice gain women with attitude problems like black comes in all different shades. And just have to embrace each other so I just wanted to. We are all beautiful in our own right enemy. That, we always have to remind each other and you know that's why it's crazy because people are like. Oh, you read my comment on Instagram, but it makes me feel good. You can say it million day, but sometimes people just don't feel pretty sometimes people don't feel. Just bow new. You know what I mean so for me when I go on another person's page. Mice I sometimes I even go to the extreme, and I might a little light. A lesbian because I are literally. Give it to you I'm GonNa be light soon. You Gorgeous. Parking spot but fake. Companies give of time. Are you you work at you? And why should not be a backup only I can. Love like why can't we do that for each other? We always gotta try to pull off a negative shifts. No, my here getting great. Ed Be missed them sometime, but to to. Be a macho waistlines next you know. That PTSD in our community. Okay, a lot of us within. Don't even know it all right ladies start running from a damn question. Okay, let me give back. I'm sorry. Let, me Segue back into it. HOUSEWIVES OF ATLANTA THAT KEEP in mind. That's not necessarily my cup of tea I rather watch sports, but I do need to know what's going on here in the streets. When wife he's downstairs watching I tend to. Watch a little bit. That's are kind of like a date. Thing that we do our. Yeah. I noticed that Shimon is never necessarily in any drama on the show. You're Kinda just like. Hanging out with Asi, what's? Again. Initially correct me if I'm wrong because you know I may be. Off a little bit, you were brought to the show. Your porsches friend. Did you push them together? Yeah, we've boker up indicator our. Friends and he'd come on. We both went to the cab. Were forced for that. First, panther good friend. Our friendship you know took on its own life and we just been like. Now This is good. Question. Are you cool with anybody else on the show like. Is there somebody on the show that you met? That was like Oh. Wow, they're actually really cool or They actually might not necessarily be. Always been very fond of handy. Yeah Candy Costa is fun. Summer. News, not all right y'all got. Massingir Barsby me. That's why you know when you're a good person. You don't always when you stay winning. Because she she's a definition of lighter. Imagine US doing everything for music to acting to isn't shoes this restaurant? Business, crazy crowd right in some of that money. No! Yes I. Actually back in the day I was GonNa Brew Coffee Tommy, with amping did. and. We'll carrying. And we did this. Kid He never remembers I mean she remembers everything now of course I went cool like that back then. I felt like I was telling her. Met You back in the day I was in the. I think. nigger maybe. Another. that. She's literally like. I. Think you have? The because she were. Nothing, there, only a few people in this world that can remember everything from their child. All we open today and those people you can raise the on March twenty Rs. Two thousand four to tell you the day the time the play on where you said it and. What she was saying she was. Crazy as you'd like them, but yes, Katie cool person Parsons show, then. Of course. We got a little closer Me doing the show and being around Porsche if she imports, we're actually really good friends. And then we just kept our friendship gone. A lot of beef on the housewives of Atlanta of course. and. That was a little. That reunion may not be as popping as they have been in the past because everyone was at home, but says. That reunion was had. It was how y'All was going in on Kenya and. Grammy. Everybody just get along the. That's a great question. What is the real be wouldn't be no TV if everybody got along I mean this. Be could be on just the thing. I think that naturally. When you have different women, they're all powerful and doing their own thing and their. Bosses all of all beautiful. and You bring them off together, and there's GonNa be something, and then TV's magnifies it, and then when you look at it even worse because it's like you threw it at the time, then you re live through it when a airs and then reunion you bring it back up again to all these emotions so I have beaten rory yesterday. We talk about it today then tomorrow mad again because I'm like I know you are and. then they get a confessional, just talking. Crazy idea you you. You relive it and you. Actually on the reunion. Only keep it cool when you're on this show. You seem to just be a neutral partisan, but it sounds like you also keep your personal life several. Yeah, because that belongs to me I mean, and that's the crazy thing about it. just finding that balance literary said even in the past. Oh You! You'll never get a peach. How weren't one like? I'm a true peace because I'm from. My stay. Alive, I will say my marriage. My family will always be my priority income I in my life, and if it doesn't feel right for my spouse in business, right for me so one husband told me I'm we were about it? doing it me being fulltime and on the cast. As an actual housewife. I thought it was a great opportunity. Hell operated. Jump all over it. I like to hang out with my friends. I get paid to do it and you know this house or not. Whether people admit it does the platform that you need to rest other things in here career, whereas it might take me ten times longer to get now now on house is like we like tomorrow your show now. You're on windy, so you know. It's a platform that you just can't really pay for, but my husband was like. Not Comfortable with it, I don't I. Don't WanNa do it and. I want our lives to be good outside of that show. and. I'm just not really sure for. That doing a show like this will work for us. Would you say? And I was just I was a little bang alive with. I had a little heartburn about it, but I bothered I was like. Hold on you. Stop my on. Maybe we all we've got our coins here on. Cube right so now all. Coins Okay Right now coin and He brought up. The you know there is not how many successful marriage is. Have you seen on reality period? Not How hello I'm not. No Dude. By any means, but just period because he's because something, you know your mom used to tell you what happened in his house. Stay this house. bad has always been our thing. On TV is all on TV and the Atlanta said no fair game. His people feel like you signed up for it like a fun about always here Celebrities go back and forth with with fans about by you know you signed up for. We're not sign up for you to come up to me and say well I'm having dinner with my family or My. Office for Pitcher got a laser therapy like. Grill it's like they're some privacy, and that's just something that we both agree that we want to keep. People have not realized that they have become so consumed with looking into other people's lives that they it's just second nature to them to say yeah, that's the same. I'd up to not have any privacy. Is. Like, no assigned share, my Mars share my talent. I don't have to give every single every single minute of my live here. I can be with my family and enjoy that I. Don't owe you a photo every time an autograph. That's why a friend of the show for me worse for me, because I can jump in and play when I want. I can just go home to my man, and my my daughter in my life, and be happy with it knowing that we are good and we you know we have a functioning family unit that for all those everybody's comfortable on TV further. He never asked to be in the spotlight. lizzy clear that was never. How did you guys meet for him at you? Know the club Rose Bar. We've. Often. But you know. When we were all pay, so I used to go to roles often but. She's like I'm going to have Vanna. Come are okay. This I ran into this girl who did make back in the day. And, you always know somebody they live. We should hang out you okay, girl, Cool Tommy you never. Dumping she called me. She's like I'm going through divorce and I. Really need a friend and I. Just got back here and I don't know I don't really have any like. About the hanging out with my girl, you can come with us if you want and she. was like Cadena. She was like okay, we'll. My friend had the section over it rose bar. and. Okay well I'll I'll? Deputy across street. My girl. It's roles. Bar The chocolate ass their. Section but he's super low key. He's that's his thing. I'm the one if like. He's like you know. He stayed back, you know. So. He said bagging so so then. You know there's always winding section that does the most. He's and he's like a bunch of African guy is. They are like older. I walk in a such. Pulling on me and the like, but he's lay back, not he not even sitting up on topics, open this low, and then he got another girl beside him. Girls Heavy set lady and I say laid. Same brilliant sure you know what I mean. Man She's quiet on my other Muslim. His wife and I'm like hey, how you doing. He's like Oh i. don't know her, you know. Drinking on my oh, okay, Pharma sit over here by then. His Day trying to be on me like that, and I got a girl who work in the the little section because she divorcing she is. Right for the. Street. Police and the guy. The? President resident mind says. You leave in and I'm like yeah, like Unifem enemy and figure myself eating. Even talk to me like you'd only gotten out of like. Oh. Okay. Okay. Bye Go street or I got to get up in the morning British so. I'm going I'm. Out Girl caused me, she was like girl rose. Marks happened now. We hear too early combat concentrate if you've. got. Three when I get in there, he's like Oh. You're back and I'm like. Okay. Right. I am like okay so. Anyway the next day. My girls like you know one was sexually moves in. This other guy who's allow now always chance. Brad check and pay for the damn check her, car. Black thing you know that's my last year. He plays and so. Now, we're like no, not that you sitting by you know. Guys like Ooh I thought he was on a day like girls leaving. He's having to cook out Sunday. He wants you to come. House. I how we never stop talking after that like. I love. Once. Club the funding thesis on New Life. So I go to his house best cookout I'm riding. She picks me from all I leave. My partier I grab. All women had this big hand, but then we have a little, another mom, being phone card, and all that stuff I'll take mar that little six model out. Leave my purse in her car. August has the relevant to. Leave the car keys in my heart out fits. Is Out of his house. We hanging out, and it's like real family oriented, but I got a little less tennis. Start off on my. Family took out not like you know I'm. So. I'm GonNa go I'm ago. He's like Oh, no, no, he's symbolic kids. He got his basement now. At this point, he's talking my head. We ended up going after our spots. Loud food is gold and he's like Oh. This is going to take you up here. We get an uber and we go over this little slot. And it's called. It was called being lungs. And we eat yet, okay, likely e. My girl gets job she leaves. That's awfully random guy I'm. Aware issue number see okay. Well we were back to my place and give my person in her car, which has my keys which I call them up here at four in the morning. I I'm locked out. You know did exercise back? From on need it right now. So that, we give to health and he's like you can just lay on my bed I I'm. I'm I'm finding La Bet you are good I'm. Not on the cow. I go to bed. He does not want to couch. He comes in like the creep up beside me on my own. No. But he didn't try. He tried, but he didn't. He laid off. To Push. Is ranked. y'All got the bubble around six. Stay Whole. This just look it up the no, I don't smoke hookah for you. It would have been worse. Let me. Tell you it was like a breaking symphony. Orchestra! Allowed shit known to mankind. I feel like echo comes out with why like you've pretty easy here as? In the bathroom is. Hall so that. Thing and it'd be bothering. You Okay and I was like. Andrew. Just use one right here. And I was like all known, but even. When it's fine. I'm holding out on the toilet I'm. We live. Here saying somebody lunch after this but. How This is what we go through. Through yes. The Walker, shame. The he like. He's so sweet is personnel and he's like. You know maybe he's like you, okay? You know what I was doing. I was like yeah me, my girl coffee. She's a ham outside of Mike new. Cell Piss off her, but now that's the. We a this number like. This man bathroom ain't got no matches. They've got nothing girl. Did you give the courtesy plus? I can't. Give? Me New. Way. is about. This? I had this conversation like, is it? Is completely turned out. Girl takes a dump and give. Him He's like. She's got a shower every. She takes it up like she'll need to get back into busy Yamaha feel, so they call around when she was like I'm outside I was like okay. That's real story. It happens to women across the world across the nation or housing before you college. Territory. And here you really got. Large, for he called you back though. Day. Now Utah Me Week. Two days later. Go to dinner. You know we friends. You told us this story. We are mad. Imagine Tattoo. The exactly what you just last? Bess she got a story similar to it. They told you. Back. To that when I go downstairs all right well, we keep you long Miss Moore and we appreciate you. You are necessary everything that you do out here in these streets, nationwide streets are we appreciate I? Don't think you understand. How big of an influence you are! Just from your black magic and everything you do mean everything you've accomplished. I'm definitely a fan of you. That's why you saw. The talents. I was. So honored when you hit me I. was like you walk me. Yes We're all like. Made, sense. Please book are right now. It all makes. Newt new, but then I remember when I did the morning. Show what you and I was like. Wow, you actually are really really cool, so you know that's. All seem. I'm sure. Never met you before, but you know you have an amazing spirit after hearing your story I'm excited, are you? Going to Japanese music or anything like that, I said yes. I am. Something really now. Army but I knew group Gospel Right a little bit here and there, but I've definitely got some stuff county so y'all just gotTa. Keep checking back with me when I get this stuff. I'm coming offers. We all Cardi leash sure yeah. Yes, we'll have. Ration- let right thank you. A. Team I know? About this. Own. Do. Live you, WanNa say. Off! And that was for a word from our sponsors. I heart radio and state farm. No, the graduation stage is the first of many, and while grads made be walking across one this year. They can get the send-off always dreamed of with our new podcast commencement, featuring inspiring speeches from the biggest names like John Legend I'm honored to have the chance to speak to to share in this special moment Katie couric. 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You want to do all this shit that you don't. Flip around now. Underscores said he knew he I know who that is. Wow older. or AM is the fat, said in my motherly voice. She planned the fuck out of you. Don't fuck what you like. Her dude mouse game wack with some good and she put the eggplant. Emoji, so basically she's saying she's getting piped down by somebody else and his mouth game is trash, so she's using this guy for the mouth game are. Being that type of Player in this game Sir. Cool early, he keys in a box. This is what he wanted. Look from Tom's men will take what they can, and then when they. Get Fed up with it. They try to flip it on the female. No, sir, you know. She was an NCAA from job and you kept eating the box now that is you've got one. You are the box Cedar now. MOCHA milk chocolate said he just needs to relax and play his position, which has clearly been determined for him. last one I think it's K-. alda Barbara Nick is really in the box, and not clapping cheeks. Man's taking els like free samples. KNAPMAN. Bro She played for You're saying. You're playing. Playing. Yeah, she must be the most. Beautiful woman you've ever been with so that's why it's like a allure of you like Oh. My God I'm eating her box, but bro just go ahead in fast-melts, bre black. shears initial initially. -sition. Little as a little girl, he don't WanNa. Lose her. Yeah, we don't WanNA. Lose her. He don't WANNA lose her. He is preempt by the day that she slips up and accidentally pulse his hand on instagram stories like trust me. This man is waiting for the day. K. Followers to she. Didn't. She got one hundred ten K. followers cables like a million or something like he is mesmerized lots of love lots. Box and shut up. To Bro. So Yeah? We're at the Butler. Show show are here to assure you that you have a position that you seem to be okay with so you didn't even need our advice now, Nazarenko? Thank you sell butthurt like the, but he didn't. 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The Kevin Long Show New Year

Kevin Long Show

05:54 min | 7 months ago

The Kevin Long Show New Year

"Welcome to the Kevin Long show production of the southgate mediocre. You can find us at Southgate. Media Group. dotcom commute is lift by Kevin Kling off in contact dot com royalty free music as long as you give the dude his props in this episode of the Kevin Long show is brought to you by tweaked audio podcast fan for thirty percent off free shipping. Any lifetime warranty head over to tweak audio dot com and in the coupon code area type Southgate Kevin. Long show is also brought to you by coffee where you can support us by going to coffee DOT COM and searching the Kevin long show no spaces all right. It's that time of the week again. Time for the Kevin Long show. I'm your host Kevin Law and I just WanNa make quick podcasts to get it out there so I can get back on track. Make sure that I'm going to get fifty two episodes of the Kevin Long show out this year at least fifty two. We'll see what happens and there will be more Magic Monday and I'm hoping to get a few more shows was going this year. We'll see how that goes but fifty to one every Thursday and boom. ooh You got it even talk about had to do this earlier while I did it earlier. Now I'm redoing it because for whatever reason didn't download to Lipson and I went to listen to it and there was nothing there so I don't know what did we talk about. I know at one point. We talked about this being a leap year. Oh I remember now K.. So last year at Christmastime Robert Southgate made gift guide for all the shows for example. If you went to the KRYPTONITE report there. Was this really cool spiderman or superman statue and. I'm not even editing. This one I just want to get it out there Yeah Superman statue and it was cool. I was going to do a podcast for every gift guide. But I didn't and Christmas is over. That's cool but you can still use the gift guides. I'm sure somebody you know is having having a birthday this year. And maybe if you know somebody that has was born on a leap year. They're going to have to birthdays this year. I don't know if that's really okay. How it works but I guarantee you if I was born on a leap year I would have? My normal. Birthday will say October twentieth. Because that's women Bertha is then I'd be like Oh hey friends and family. It's a leap year. My real birthday is coming so now you have to buy me to guess. I would totally do that again again. I don't know if that's how it works. But that's what I would do also on the gift guys because I remembered this year every gift guy one of the gifts you can buy no no matter what show you go to is. Pablo Life Pod. Life is the book that Southgate media produced last year. I still need to get my copy. Actually any get three copy so I can sell them. And then after that I'll get more you know whatever anyway pod Life by southgate media. You can go to Amazon. Get it there. They have the paperback version. They have the kindle version. So whatever floats your fancy. Go get it all right other things that I talked about before I had to fix this show were that I still need to do you my if NBA players were DNB. Characters now I did two years ago and Dan. I had a lot of fun doing it last year. When I thought about doing it I thought I would encompass all thirty two teams? That would give me thirty two episodes and that's cool the. I'm not sure I wanNA do that anymore. Fact the more that I think about it the less I WANNA do it. So here are my options either next Thursday the ninth. I'm going to do the one for the Utah Jazz. Because you know that's my team go jazz and I'll be done with it or her. I can double up teams and produce sixteen weeks of content and then be done John with for the year. And we'll see what happens after that. I don't know I KINDA WANNA do the Atlanta Hawks because Carter's on his retirement tour so that'd be pretty fun. Maybe I'll do that one end the jazz one. We'll see what happens us about it. That's all I've got just getting it out there so we can give back on-track and Oh yeah highlight. There is one more thing. Patriotic is happening this year. It'll probably happen next week when my goblins in minions or home but it is happening sometime this year. I'm excited about that. There's a lot of things that I want to Eh do and go from there so for me myself and I- Mahalo and Godspeed the again. Thank you for listening to the Kevin Wong show you can find us at Southgate Media Group DOT com. You can find the Kevin Long show on facebook by searching Kevin Kevin on show you can find us at twitter by searching device. Kevin Long S. H.. One you can also email the show at Kevin long show at G. DOT com.

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May 6  Hour 2  Drew Lock Studying His Game From Mom and Dads House | Nick Kosmider

The Hull Show ? 1310 KFKA

40:31 min | 3 months ago

May 6 Hour 2 Drew Lock Studying His Game From Mom and Dads House | Nick Kosmider

"After the second and final hour on this Wednesday. Hey guys doing a lot of people. Don't like argument. They really don't want to hear it or some are just saying you know what? There's here's how goes Colfax on the Nicole. Yokich thing you either think. He's not a superstar. He's terrible in the nuggets. Should just cut bait or you're you're mad at me for even bringing this up as a question. It is an insult to ask this question to ask if he's a true superstar raising doubts about someone's ability Seems like something? We do daily basis here. Listen it's it's he's an he's a great guy he. I love Nicole which I remember you know Media Day. This year was so fun. He's awesome he. He's a cut up. He has fun with the media. He's he's a media persons dream because he's going to give you stuff. He's going to have foam. He asks about your vacation your summer and all that stuff. He's a great guy his his ability on the floor when he's on Colfax he's unmatched. This is not an indictment on his actual ability. This is an indictment more on his mental ability as far as when he wants to play. Tj McBride of Of Mile High. Sports you know he used to join. Us Friday during the season. He said it if you could if you could figure out what motivates Nicole Yokich on a nightly basis. You'd have something you'd have something pretty good in the bottom. If bottle that up. Be Pretty Good. Chris Dempsey tells us last week that I don't know if you'll get us watching this documentary and thinking how can I get better? I don't he's not that kind of guy. Don't you those things together and go? Is that the mentality of a superstar in the NBA. Now listen onto Takubo Hawaii letter. James Harden Lebron James anti-drugs. None of those guys are really truly close to Michael Jordan. But that's not the question super there are many superstars in the league. Michael Jordan is one is one of the rare players that is above superstar. He's in legend territory. He's in he was. He was in legend territory when he played he he defeated the meaning of Legend. He he changed the meaning of Legend. So that's not the question when you're looking at today's superstars is Nicole. Ioka them physically like what he can do on the floor his passing ability his his shooting ability is pretty good for being a big man. His touch inside. The paint is much better than we see with guys. Like Joe Unbeaten. Hell maybe even Anthony Davis He. Those are better. Those are superstar quality but the mentality is not superstar driven. And I don't you think you have to have both of those you know we used to say. Jr Smith bad comparison. I know we used to say. Jr Smith was one of the most athletically gifted players. You know in his prime when he played for the nuggets he didn't have a right between the ears and that's different than Yokich. Yokich is an extremely smart player. But that just goes to show you. You can be a sensational athlete. But you also have to have the smarts and the killer instinct the difference between Jordan and Lebron. There's a few things but what keeps sticking out. Is the actual mentality the mentality? That Jordan had compared to Lebron Jordan. Doesn't care well. I shouldn't say this Jordan didn't get into politics. Jordan didn't get into moving from city to city to increase his brand and whatnot Jordan. Did it all and then the rest came later. Lebron James Very much focused on us. So there's a difference there Nicole. Yokich might not care about the politics of things but I think at the end of the day. Yokich loves to play basketball. I think he loves his teammates. He LOVES TO BE IN DENVER. Loves TO BE IN SERBIA TO HE loves all of it does he have the killer instinct that these superstars in the League have steph. Curry doesn't Steph Curry. Have a killer instinct. The nicest dude out there baby-faced even when he has a beard if that's possible but he has a killer instinct when he's at his best not hurt. The GUYS LETHAL. He's absolutely lethal at shot is so quick. It's like it's like a quick little dagger strike man. It's GonNa put you out of your misery quick and you don't even know what happened. James Harden when? He's in the groove. Now there's questions about his playoff ability. Listen we maybe we're not there yet. Maybe we need to see more nickel. Yokich in the playoffs. Maybe we need to see him. More around guys that are true superstars in a setting like the playoffs and and this year was going to be big said at the beginning. I asked you first. You said no not yet. Well that's fair to say too. Because he's only had one playoff one one sees in playoff experience he's had two series but only in one season. That's why this year was gonNA be so big this. You're still is so big for all of that You know as far as everything that he needs to take it to that next level so let me be. Let me be very clear about Nicole. Yokich kitchen my thoughts here when he's deciding it's go time when it's time for him to shoot down the four fourth quarter. Suddenly he's GonNa Shoot. You know you're gonNA give me eight shots in the fourth period. You're GONNA make a good chunk of those you're getting to the free throw line then. Yes Nicola. Yokich is a superstar but he is the most passive superstar in league. I'm not talking about assist his assists or what separates him from everybody. He's the he's one of the best passers in the NBA. He averaged six point nine assists per game. That's pretty tremendous for seven footer. Very tremendous but what bothers me is the fourteen point nine shots per game. What bothers me is the question of. How do you motivate Nicole Yokich on a nightly basis because last year saying this and we've said it for three years now? Nicola does what is necessary to win a game. If he feels that his shooting is not going to impact the game. He's GonNa pass a lot he's GonNa pass up wide open shots and he's going to take two shots and I. I appreciate that and I respect that because Lebron James has some similar traits but at the end of the day. Lebron's going to look at that stat sheet at the end of the third and go. I've only shot at four times. I have three points none. No no no no no no no everybody get the hell out of the way it's Lebron James takeover time. That's the difference. Nicola can look at that and whatever you know. That's what was needed tonight and apparently didn't win Malone wants to change. He said as much so those of you to think it's an insult to ask this question Malone said as much I wa- They want Nicola Yokich to be the guy and that is it much easier said than done. Absolutely be the guy and that's why I'm saying it's half and half the mentality. He doesn't have a superstar mentality. He doesn't have a killer instinct. I haven't seen it consistently. Did we get a glimpse of it in the playoffs against poor last year? I think so. We got a glimpse but superstars. Don't give glimpses give us. Oh that was really good. But then the next season started up and it was kind of up and down for for the joker was kind of a mixed bag for the most part now. This was statistically you know. This was right there with one of his great last year. He averaged twenty points per game this year. Twenty points per game. There was not that if I wanted to. I WanNa see Twenty three twenty four I do you know. I want to start to see those attempts. Go Up. He averaged just fifteen point. Listen he's never averaged more than much more than fifteen points her fifteen attempts per game. That's just who he is but everything else is going up. I mean his assists are going up. They were about the same as last year his rebounds about same as last year. So still like you look at his numbers. Yes keep this going. He played for four years. This was his fifth year. You keep that going those numbers. Yes those numbers will make you the greatest of all time especially if you throw in you know consistent trips to the playoffs which they were getting ready to have their second in a row in whether we start this. Nba season or not. That will be something. We'll we'll look at. We're GONNA take a quick break. I WanNa talk to nick. 'cause mitre haven't caught up with him in a while of the athletic There are some questions with the nuggets going forward. Paul MILLSAP and Jeremy Grant. That is the biggest one on my mind and I WANNA GET KNICKS THOUGHTS. On that is he did a piece in the athletic about fifteen after the hour. This is the whole show powered by energy. Don't you dare go anywhere. We're here with you. Keep IT ON K. K. For the latest on in nineteen the effect on the sports scene in more thirteen ten. Kfi K. and thirteen ten KFI DOT com catch. Her Day studied right with up-to-date news weather and sports mornings with Gail six. Am to nine. Am Weekdays on thirteen ten KFI? Kay Hey nuggets fan just with coach phone at the Denver Nuggets and you're listening to the whole show. Thirteen ten KS K. First advantage text. Line is three one nine nine six three one nine nine six text. Kf Aa to that number if you want to get involved in the conversation joining me now on that hotline is caused of the athletic covering Denver Nuggets and the NBA. Nick my friend. It's been a little while. Hope you're hope you're doing all right. Hope you're doing okay with that little one to one one already is that right. Yeah turned one on Turned one on Friday keeping US busy. No doubt about especially especially when you can't go anywhere. it's It's it's a lot but it's it's been great to be able to have that extra time to spend. Yeah no doubt about minds to now. So he's all over the place. I my wife and I are thinking inside the house. It's just not going to contain him much longer needs to. He needs a fields to Rome. Like just kind of find like an open they just go buddy. Yes absolutely man. It's crazy. Well I'm happy for you man. I know you're continuing continuing to do work continuing to put things together food for thought about all things. Denver Nuggets and listen. I've been thinking about this for a long time and I love the fact that you're putting this this right up together. You're talking about scenarios at play for the nuggets soon to be free agents. Paul MILLSAP I mean. That is a big question. Mark up in the air. I mean Paul. It feels like he's you know obviously a lot bigger things going on but it feels like he gets the right into the stick here because he gets that extent or the extension for the year. But at this point in time hasn't been able to finish that gotta on the other way the nonren- that he he's made the money that he had true with the nuggets for three years. Certainly you know it you. You get to that veteran status where he signed a lot of contracts in his career. I think that we're not friendly. Deals that Sort of put him in a position to try to help out that Atlanta Hawks team try to win a championship which they were unable to do going against Lebron James and the Eastern conference when he came up as a as a free agent twenty seventeen. It was his time to get paid as it wasn't now gets They were ready to paying. He was going to have some some offers elsewhere and he fit perfectly with what the nuggets needed at the time which was a a veteran presence guy with playoff experience. A true professional a defensive Stalwart for a team that was trying to turn around its reputation on that end and a mentor to young players. He's still boxes throughout his time. Here but the nets will have an interesting decision to make because they traded for Jeremy Grant last summer. That was the deal in which they gave up a first round pick. And you don't typically do that For for one year rental. Especially if you're not truly ready to go in title which you know who if the the season continues just have playoffs? It's this weird condense Format if they do that. Who could happen but again? I think the nuggets were making more of a longterm play with grant. Hope to resign him. This summer And then you would be looking at probably a reduced role for Paul MILLSAP. So it's GonNa come down to whether you know he wants to play maybe limited minutes in the regular season and have a chance to really be a valuable playoff. Contender are left. Tributary for a team. That believes in the next couple of seasons contend for a championship or you know looking to try to maybe cash in on on one more big payday and maybe a bigger role on a team. That maybe he's coming up a little bit so those are those are just some of the dynamics at play for the nuggets. Paul MILLSAP Again Denver is going to. Have you know several of these of these financial to make going forward and again with with millsaps? The interesting thing is to I mean he win healthy. He still playing at a very high level as you mentioned especially on the defensive side. But I'm seeing a few wrinkles in that offensive game too. You know is is late in his career. So there's that side of it where he said man. There's still some good years left. He is still a good leader for this team. But that is a difficult choice. Because you just like you said Jeremy Grant men maybe he's the future probably is the future of that position and you might want to get. That started sooner rather than later. Yeah and what's interesting about like millsap now? I wrote this in this piece I wrote yesterday. But he's missed the equivalent of almost one out of every three games. Utah injuries that yet. That wrist injury. I think that was You know kind of a fluke in the In his first season in Denver the twenty seventeen eighteen season that ended up costing him forty four games. And that's probably don't Miss Class by a game like they did. Had he been healthy? The whole year But had that big of time missed this time with a broken toe. Last year obviously had some elements that kept him out of twenty one games. This season so again you have to. If a new contract comes up you have to kind of have those things in mind. But I I also think the nuggets don't need him to be a guy who You know gives you some big contributions during during the regular season it. It's GONNA come down to. Can't he help you win a playoff series against team? Mike the Lakers and the clippers of the rockets. That's really weird. Denver's focusing all attention right now and you know you mentioned something new facets he shot a career high forty four percent for three point range So so certainly done some stuff. I just did an interview with Chris. Hanes and the other day where you said. He went into off season mode. Essentially when this shutdown began and started working on himself physically says he's added to his vertical leap. So I I still think Paul MILLSAP has plenty left in the tank again. It's going to come down to where the nuggets see him fitting in role wise and what that what the value is on that role Especially with him standing next Jeremy Grant and the other part of that is what else do the nuggets. What our positions of need or what are areas of need? And how much does what you might give to. Power Forward Take away from the potential pursuit of filling one of those other holes. We're talking to nick. Cosmo owner of the athletic all things Denver Nuggets. And you said it to start the segment talking about Paul millsap and yes. It's GonNa come down to what what that role looks like. Maybe a reduced role. Obviously money might be reduced As opposed to where he could go elsewhere based on what you know of Paul millsap and maybe even conversations. This is the season before everything went. Went a little nuts. Do you get the sense that he'd look at it and go. Yeah I I would probably be cool with playing for a contender and a reduced role. Even if I'm not the starter yeah I I think I think there's they're probably getting to. The point is career where those are the kinds of things that take on greater import right then. Maybe they did five six seven years ago. Here's the guy who again. We mentioned those four seasons with the Atlanta Hawks. That team was really good It really tried to make a run for it. They just so happened to be playing the same conference that Lebron James dominated all those years and so now you look at it in Paul Millsap the All star four times You know he's made generational wealth as an MBA player He's he's very well respected as teammate. As an opponent around the league really the only thing missing for him as a championship and so I think if he can look at Denver and say this is a place where I'm comfortable a place where I think. My voice is heard a place where I can connect to my teammates. Understand how to play with Nicola Yokich all these factors and say hey you know as long as I feel. They're being fair with me You know maybe he'd be willing to take a discount now if you know what happened with the Atlanta Hawks when they basically said that they were completely restarting going different direction. And and Paul Millsap who gave them four. All Star. Years didn't even get a real substantial offer from them so I think as long as he feels he's treated fairly in the process then. I think there's a good chance he could look at it and say listen. Let's finish my career here in the town where I was born where I'm now raising my kids who have started to grow up here To me there's just a lot of attractive factors for him In sticking around you know if if both sides can make it work my my guess is that he will be back on a new contract. Next year I'd be a big fan of that for sure. Nick what are some of the other big question marks surrounding this roster? I know I know plumlee. Certainly one of those guys coming up to Tori Craig. What what are some of those other big ones? Yeah so in terms of Denver's own free agents. Obviously we talked about Jeremy Grant. He has a player option of nine nine point three million dollars which means he could he could sign that play next year on that contract and then become a free agent during the twenty summer of two thousand twenty one I think the conventional wisdom is the grant will probably decline that player option which make him a free agent. This summer And and in doing that he would be available to be signed by any team. But I think that that would happen with sort of the understanding that the nuggets are going to work hard to resign him It's GonNa be really interesting. Just given the the financial landscape of the League given Cova. We really don't know what the complete financial ramifications are gonNA be so Our contracts going to be way down is it maybe smart for him to just take that option and play it and let and let chips kind of fall where they may over the next year and see how the League rebounds That that could be another consideration just playing on a one year deal Either Way I. I'm pretty confident Jeremy Grant. We'll be back in probably will be the starting power for for the nuggets next summer or next season And then yeah. Tory Craig is another guy who again Typically the eighth ninth guy plays a really important. I think defensive role certainly beloved by Michael Malone his teammates He's going to be a restricted free. Agent you know. Look Craig in my mind if a team comes after him and says listen. We're rebuilding something. We love your defensive tenacity. We like your leaders. You know your your leadership we want you to be a part of helping. Our young team grow and they're willing to pay them the then. Tory credit should certainly seek a chance to get paid He he's the guy that's played most of his career overseas in Australia before coming to the United States and and playing in the NBA. So I think if he has a chance to really secure some financial longevity for himself and his family. I think that would be something that he probably should should consider doing. But again the nuggets may value him enough to where. They're putting a sizable offer on the table And and we'll just have to kind of see how that goes and then Mason plumlee basic as the one guy who I kind of have my doubts as to whether he'll be back again. An unrestricted free agent. He's a guy who has been starting center in the NBA. Before on play-off teams probably could go find himself a similar role again which would obviously You know be be a more well paid role than than what he might get a backup. Nicole Yokich And and certainly no pathway to him being the starting center in Denver and the Nuggets also while twenty was hurt this year show that they could play kind of a small ball lineup with Jeremy. Grant the five with Paul Millsap. Sometimes playing the five And again the the more you see the league going that way it becomes in my mind. A little bit harder to justify big salaries for for to traditional traditional ish centers So I I would be somewhat surprised if Columbia was back but again you'd never know that given what's happening with the League and what we're contracts are at. It's GonNa be really interesting just to see how that all plays a factor. Yeah it is interesting because for the longest time we're hearing maybe players are better off not signing even though they're big deals are waiting because everything's pointing toward a lot more money coming to the NBA and a lot bigger contracts but this hits and now it might be the reverse of that. You might be better off taking even a minimal deal here because you just never know what those are. GonNa look like well right. And that's why I mentioned grants grants young player. Option is just our team's going to be forking over you know. Twelve million dollar anal- annual salaries over for years for a guy like him He he might be emphasis where it makes sense to take the option to play. That might play that one year And then see see what the landscape is afterwards. I think teams are going to be a little more reluctant right now. It's a handout Hand out these giant contracts. There's less you know. There's there's been a pretty big safety net with the money coming in the NBA. In recent years you mentioned that always kind of counting on XP television deal that would balloon salaries and and that kind of thing Now there's going to be a lot smaller margin for error for front offices in terms of the players they sign and the financial decisions that they make so I think teams will be hesitant to hand out long-term you know again with with the new. Cba long-term is relative. You can only give you know four three and four year contract's unless it's You know you can give a supermax player. Five deal the you know. We're past the days of the ten and seven year contracts that you that used to see before But yeah those are all things that I think are going to be a fascinating thing to watch league-wide um that certainly will have ramifications for the nuggets as well great stuff from you one more for your nick on the NBA landscape sight of it. What in your circles. What are you hearing as far as we going to have something this summer? And what does that format look like? Are we jumping into some kind of interesting playoff scenario? Yeah I think right now. I I would still. I do think there's optimism from from people talked to believe that this thing could happen that there could be a resumption of the season in some But I it's far from a certain it's far from a certainty at this point. I think the NBA wants to see there being Just a greater grasp on testing of of Corona virus of tracing of sort of this idea that like if the NBA holds up in some place in his testing. Everybody every day. What they're giving their players is not Just completely different than what? The rest of America has available to them. They don't they don't want it to be seen in that regard of here's players getting tested every day before every game just to make sure they can play this game. Versus you know they're still being inadequacies communities around the country. I think that's something that they're very wary of so again. We're going to have to wait and see over the next month or so I think Where the country is that in terms of its testing capabilities. And then you know I think the NBA is going to kind of play off of that. That that's the way I see it going and then certainly if it does come back. They do feel comfortable with that. It's going to be a situation where they're they're in maybe one or two cities And really just trying to confine it to that to that kind of small location. There's not going to be fans And you know that that's sort of what they understand at this point but again a lot a lot remains to be seen over the next I think month will be Kinda critical In terms of teams. Finding out whether it's GONNA be a real possibility to get back on the court this year. Certainly a lot more to go through before we get an idea of what that date looks like. If any nick appreciate you man great right up. I'm looking forward to see what you put together the rest of the month kind of look into the future of what this. Denver Nuggets team will look like so wonderful work again and appreciate your time. Thanks a lot. They've helped me appreciate it. I mean that's caused of the athletic. He's putting together a series this month. Where he's going over the scenarios of the nuggets in the free agents and those guys those those question marks he's kind of getting the sense that maybe may simply knock. GonNa be get next year that maybe Paul millsap will be more a more in a backup role Jeremy Grant which would be interesting to so and then Tory Craig a nice player especially defensively but the player you can't live without that'll be those be the questions. The nuggets have in front of them along with you know the big picture stuff to Gary Harris has signed and and done for the next three seasons for this team but his name keeps coming up. There's still some value there but I don't know if there's a lot of trade value I love Gary Harris. That's another guy that nuggets are going to make a decision about if he's if it's worthwhile to trade him or if you think he continued can continue to be a big part of of what. Your team is trying to build toward and again that goal so longer playoffs. I know the only went last year but they got to the second round their top five see their top three seed now for the last two years gotta start thinking bigger and part of thinking. Bigger is what position and the depth at that position. What gives us our best chance to compete with. The Los Angeles Lakers and the Los Angeles Clippers. Those are the teams that are going to stand in front of us. Those are the teams that were likely going to play in that second round in the Western Conference finals. So we'd be piecing our team together accordingly so that we can compete again. That question is yes Jamal Murray. He's he's the big money big man on campus now. He's got the long-term deal the longest term deal for the nuggets. That's that's why the question is asked if you know if you feel comfortable that Nicola accuser superstar and you can consistently get him to play at that top level every every night. Both shot attempts rebounds and assists. Then then yeah I. I suppose you're good with Yokich is number one Jamal. Murray we need you to be number two. And then the rest will keep filling in the blanks. But if you have serious question marks about Yokich being the star than yes all of that pressure from. Yokich has to shift over to Jamal. Murray and Jamal cannot live up to the billing. Then you have to. You have to figure out who's going to be that guy because Nicole Yokich isn't going anywhere. Jamal rightly is not going anywhere right now. But sooner or later the question will become. How do you win a championship? That's where the nuggets mentality should be going into next season. Maybe even this whatever. This looks like this summer thirty six minutes after the hour. Let's shut out here and get the latest on the local sports flash thirteen ten. Kfi PREPS RADIO IS NORTHERN. Colorado's home for the past high school coverage. Start Your morning off right with your recommended daily intake of news weather and traffic to get yourself up and running this morning. Gail to nine thirteen ten. Kfi Happy Live Garden here for you and offering curbside pickup. 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I'm just taking that time to to continue to learn to continue to grow and study up on. What's needed for this offense going forward? And that's that's the tough thing I mean. We've we've talked about this a lot. It always certainly giving drew. Lock the keys to this car keys this Lamborghini and he's giving them a lot of weapons and you got the new offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur. There's going to be a lot for drew. Lock to learn. So there's there's a part of me that looks at and says man. All the pressure is on drew. Lock because of the weapons. Because of what's expected of this offense now but there's also a sense of you gotta give them a little bit of a break. You know. Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers even Philip rivers learning new offense you. Those guys are veterans. They've been doing it for a long time. Locks only played five games so the tough part is when you put the we are going to put pressure on him. He can't be terrible you know. He can't even be below average she has to be average least But the tough part for him is the fact that he's young. And this goes for any quarterback this goes for any rookie or this goes for any guy that just started last year was just starting to get their feet underneath them in this league. That is going to be tough but especially a guy in drew lock where you're placing your offensive coordinator. You Bring Pat Shurmur. You have a lot of new weapons which sounds great on paper. But I'm still curious as to how this is all going to work out. You have a lot a lot of Saul tight ends now at least again on that proverbial paper. You have guys that should pack a little bit of a punch on the tight inside of it. You went and got. Melvin Gordon. You like what? Melvin Gordon is going to bring to this team but again I'm curious. How does that all work do you do? Do you look at it and say. Hey we're we're going to. We're going to add so many different bells and whistles this offense. You're never going to know where we're coming from. We might have to back set. We might have a tight to back set with two tight ends and then one wide receiver. We may have no wide receivers receiver again. You bring in a lot of tight ends. You know you have no a fan you picked one up and you picked up in the in the off season and then you drafted one so that to me says yeah we kind of like the tight end game here you picked you picked okay web on in the fourth round which is a kind of guy that I think. He's not that doesn't mean he's going to be an instant producer next year right. It just means he's going to be a nice add on to what we already have. With Noah Fan. So is it going to be? Are we going to see some heavy sets tight ends and running backs? Then you have Sutton and Jerry Judy and K J handler and it may be tyrod Cleveland seventh but still wide receiver you can convince certainly is going to see three or four wide receiver sets in there as well so again. I am pumped up. I think it's going to be fun. I Won't lie to you though. I'm definitely looking at it saying maybe. There's a reason to reserve your expectation of the Broncos scoring twenty seven points per game twenty twenty three points per game in in theory. That's GONNA work out but game one. Who's game one going to be against? We don't know yet. That's why you gotTa Watch. The three hour in fell schedule special tomorrow night. Cove exciting to watch the depart tonight. So you can figure out by watching a three hour special. What's going to be available three hours later? Just by googling it without the excitement. It's true you sometimes. I guess you do WanNa see here. Some of the the specialists talk about the bachelor ups and stuff but I mean I could go look up the plotline for the departed right now and that's true you can look. You could look at all the decent point saying you. You could go. Google all of it really. I would've last year. I'm not a big. Nfl Schedule Release Guy. Because you just get the schedule and then you piece it together as you go but yes tomorrow night. I will be watching that. I haven't watched one in a while. Now I've I've I'd say you know. Ever since they start. I think it was a one hour special. It started and then they started increasing. Its too and this year. You're like we're starving man. We need to do a lot more in this. You throw out three three hours for sure. So that's coming up tomorrow night. That'll be interesting. Our power to play sports. Poll question of the day was more of a nuggets. We talked a little nuggets last two nights or to last two days. Something Airshow night show is a call. Yokich true superstar and I'm GonNa give you my finishing thoughts on that when we come back forty seven minutes after the hour. This is the whole show powered by energy. Don't go anywhere we'll be right back. You're listening to the hall's show powered by PD energy and thirteen ten. Kfi Am Brady will be back after the break the best UNC bears Tarkhan game coverage lives on thirteen ten K. F. K. Hi this is Jesse Kurtz executive producer and lead anchor the mountain West Network and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi and we're back. Thanks for being with us. Here mosier funeral and cremation service services. As unique as life live. Well plan ahead. That's their motto over there. Give Scott Robert or a member of their staff a call today. Talk to them about pre planning. It truly is an amazing amazing gift. Nine seven zero three three sixty eight twenty four see them at their website. Mosier IMOS FUNERAL SERVICE DOT COM. I finished text line. Three one nine nine six our power play. Sports poll question is Nicole. Ioka true superstar Kovacs. This was a tough one for me to even write down because I feel like I'm going against my guy you know I'm going to get my guy asking the question in a lot of times in. Hogan's you're so hilarious. I ask questions and you assume that I've already taken a stance one way or the other. It's funny to me will the Broncos when go to the playoffs you crazy now never you. You're an idiot and asking we get that all the time right people comments and this is terrible. Question took the time to comment on it. So if it was a terrible question would come. They wouldn't even pay attention. So it pained me to ask did with asking right now convention in the Conventional Way. We identify and describe superstar. Yokich is not it. He's not he doesn't have the mentality. Will he get that? Will we be able to find a way to consistently motivate him? Maybe another round of playoffs would have been the trick you said before we started the show. Colfax not yet not yet maybe another round of playoffs because he's only been in the playoffs once he is young and I'll give you that but the question isn't will he be a superstar. The question is is Nicole. Yokich a superstar and right now. His numbers are very good very good. That'll be good enough if he keeps us up to be the best nugget of all time. But that's not necessarily the player you know one of the best players again. We've talked about the nuggets legacy it's not rich. There's not a lot of greatness surrounding the nuggets organization unless you want to water down the term greatness and you can. We do it all the time. But in order for Nicole Yokich to be considered a superstar. The challenge must be put to him accepting him as a superstar. Right now means that you're okay with the nuggets going to the playoffs every year. Means that you're okay with the nuggets competing and getting into the second and maybe losing it. But if you WANNA win if you want to go to the Western Conference finals and you want to actually beat the Lakers. Then you need more from Nicole Yokich. You need him to truly be a guy that's eight. I'm not content with fourteen point nine shots per game because he's not Joel embiid. He's not a true traditional center. He shoots from outside. I don't mind the passes. I don't mind the fact that he picked his spots but pick more pick more spots. They're centering this offense around you. Nine Times out of ten. You will have the ball in your hands on a possession. It's in fact. It's very alarming when Nicole. Yokich doesn't touch the basketball on a possession for the Denver Nuggets if the mentality can't become that of a winner nonstop. Then you have to ask the question who will possess that Jamal Murray. Maybe he hasn't shown it yet. Either that's why the question is not necessarily about the future of Nicole. Yokich Yokich will retire a nugget if he wants to the nuggets love him and rightfully so but as more of a robin. And if that's the case you have to have somebody else be Batman and the hope is that it's Jamal Murray. Because he signed to the three twenty four season the pressure really even though this whole show has been about Nicole Yokich. It's really about Jamal. Murray I've been saying it for years. The Guy has the potential to be the best point guard in the NBA. And I believe that he will be. I still believe that it's there but he has to start showing it because the one to monster the one two punch. That is Marie Nicole. Yokich could absolutely rival the Lebron James Anthony Davis. And if you don't believe so then you believe. The nuggets are truly wasting their time and they. They're better off scrapping this and starting all over again which. I don't think anybody wants to do. It's going to do it for us. Thanks to mark Johnson the voice of the buffs. Thanks to my Guy Nick. 'cause mitre of athletic great insight there has always from those guys you want the best insiders in the in the state you keep it here on the whole show. We'll be back at it on a Thursday good night northern Colorado Ten K. F. K.

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ATL/MIN Trade; News Catchup; SE Division Trade Outlook

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ATL/MIN Trade; News Catchup; SE Division Trade Outlook

"Good evening it is a raining. Fifty degree day hair in the bay area and we have a trade to announce we do and it's at least as we know it right now. I consider it a strange one. And that is because the Atlanta Hawks Trading Alan crab to the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Jeff teague and Diddy larue periodic favorite trivia on Graham and why this trade is interesting for me is because in some ways it is a really simple one. All all these players are on expiring contracts to for one so creates a roster spot and so that means it you could think of it in some ways as a go to challenge trade or just teams valuing different the things except that to me Jeff Teague is unambiguously the best player in this trait by a pretty decent margin in a desperately needed fit for the lay offs. Yeah and the thing to me. That's interesting about it is it really seems like the wolves have just decided that he can't play. Yeah they moved him out of the starting lineup. And it's been a bit of a struggle for him this year ear to be sure but the overall numbers are not terrible even this year of fifty eight percent true shooting thirty eight percent from three nine huge volume of attempts for thirty six minutes but right around the where his career averages were. If you just look at his top nightline numbers seven point nine assists for thirty six minutes a little below last year but still right around where he's it's been for a since he started playing minutes in Atlanta way back in the eleven twelve season but it seems like there's just a feeling that he's not gonna it'd be there anymore they wanted to move culver into a point guard role now. They're giving Shabazz Napier. Who they at least have some bird rights on and Mike come cheaper than teague in the future feature more overall and they also seemed like we said in their pre yesterday of course because we just did their preview there has to be a trade immediately afterwards that they just need needs tone who's going to make wide open shots on this team especially when it's Karl Anthony? Towns comes back and they've got wiggins they've got culver. They've got napier. They feel they have enough ball handlers. Ultra the seems at least for Minnesota's standpoint more of a deck chairs on the titanic type of trade may be just doing jeff teague favor because he wasn't so much much in their plans to get more time so I understand this just because they really want that shooter in crab but it still does seem like a bit of a talent downgrade downgrade to me. But I you know maybe there's something more about the way teague has played this year or just the phillies out reliable. or or what but I I haven't seen they have much of a decline in what he's been doing this year to have you. I haven't and also while Alan crab is a adds to their shooting. It's not like a he. Is this amazing underutilized overall player and so for Minnesota perspective. I mean you you could argue that. Making them worse in. The immediate isn't decorated consequence. I don't expect them to make the playoffs. That has some changes. The perpetually questionable Karl Anthony towns continues to not play in Basketball Games. There are a couple of interesting angles. We'll hear from Minnesota's perspective that I think could end up being important one that created a roster spot and Minnesota actually still has a significant portion of their mid-level apple exception to us now. Is it before certapro reading about five million now they still had enough wiggle room already under the tax to use all of that beforehand. And I don't know who they would. I use that on like is there a buyout candidate. That sees Minnesota a likely. Non Playoff team is a desirable outcome because like member. Ellington and Wes Matthews last year. They didn't go to elite teams. They went to playoff teams. That had playing time off. So that's fundamentally different than going to Minnesota. But then the other part of this is the concept of perverts. So Jeff Teague I think is a superior player to Allen Crab but having Jeff Berg rights might not matter to Minnesota. If he doesn't WANNA come back and Alan Crab while he is intensely overpaid right now. Now all that really matters for bird rights if you are over the cap team is just that you have the capacity to do that without using an exception so maybe one of the things that goes on Rosa's doing here is he's creating an opportunity for another player. Who probably will not come at a high price tag that they could get without without having to use some of their me or something like that so if it works it'll be very easy to retain crap? I guess I mean it's not like the Hawks didn't desperately need wing players and guys who knocked on threes and he still was applying. Of course there. He's not a part of their future. They have these wings. They're trying to develop. Maybe this is a little bit of a shift away from that but I see this as something. That's really pretty much without downside for the hawks in they they can also try to be the fourth team to teach trivia. I'm Graham to shoot. And if they can do that they'll have themselves a player He's also maybe some of that. They could look to resign me like you. I've long admired fired his effort on the wing and he has superficially good shooting stats back in Charlotte. That has definitely waned in the last couple of years in Brooklyn the now in Minnesota. so He's been really really struggling from three shooting in the twenty S. Something that will be worth watching from this trade you when I had a running running reference in person About how badly the hawks play when trae young is off the floor and that should get markedly better now however it could also servicer reminder of how insane was to play the first half of the season without any sort of functional backup and so I think that. It's better for the Hawks and I. I don't think they're gonNA make the playoffs. So it's not like it's going to move that needle enough but it so it's good that they have it now. It would have been better if they'd had it from from day. One one further note on this trade teague league and Graham should they need to May still be aggregated into a trade because the hawks still finish the trade below the CAP. They're the only team with cap room that cut into into that By about three billion bucks here by taking on a little bit more the do also across themselves the roster spot they have a number of wasteful players including Graham. Should they need more space to do something with an take on more salaries in a trade and moreover they still have a turner and Chandler. Parsons so so you know if they get to a point where they need to get up to sixty million dollars. Instead of forty million dollars of expiring contracts they can still trade tika yet but this it does seem like it's a homecoming for return to Atlanta and just to try and provide some sort of ball Hanley pick and roll play. Maybe it's even possible that teague could play next trae young at times. They might try that though. That is certainly A defensive backcourt so I like the trade for the Hawks As far as getting better for this year it seems like they did. They'd been playing better already with the return of hurdling Collins and finally getting those guys integrated those guys would only played plus one hundred fifty. Do you minutes the other this year. They're kind of core three but they've been more competitive edge especially with trae young on the floor. They've actually been positive these last few games whereas they'd still been I'm getting killed even before that if they could even just get to negative six net rating with young off the floor as opposed to ninety offense of Reagan. Negative in the double digits. They're going to look a lot more competitive. I also think that in addition to the human factors here of the guys who are on the team now how be more competitive this year will also make them more attractive to free agents as they go into the summer with an estimated sixty million in cap space that could grow even higher depending on what happens with Jabari Parker and potential draft picks. So let's Do some news here. And then we can lead into this southeast Southeast Division trade outlook. And let's go back to Dallas where kristaps Porzingis all signs pointed to him playing last night in Sacramento second night of back to back. They had no problems. Waxing golden state the previous night and then Porzingis was unable to go. He said after the game that he had been pain-free free before the game. That pain returned so remember this oppose the thought was oh. He was ready to go and then he had illness. And that's why he got held out. This the what the team was saying. That's what they're saying about. Cross the Dow's Minnesota too by the way but he said the the pain returned in his pre-game workouts and once again a little troubling bling. You never want to see this type of cycle. We've headed a couple of times where he's kind of ramped up and then hasn't been able to go. And this is the big risk in trading four. This this is now nine straight on the sidelines for everyone who wanted to bury the next for making that trade and obviously when they didn't do anything with the salary cap space that they created. It certainly look bad. But the mavs gave porzingas a no brainer Max contract. Hopefully this is something you can get over. Hopefully this is just an abundance of caution et Cetera et Cetera et CETERA. But you always have to be worried with Porzingis and his injury. History you do. And Dallas is competing for seating. And they're you know they always obviously want to be right for the playoffs APPS. I mean they're going to be a playoff team so all of those things are material concerns. I think it's kind of a natural segue from there to the clippers where there was another another issue we that we didn't think was going to linger as much as it is. Even hamstrings are tricky. Paul George just misses fourth straight game due to that left hamstring issue. Hopefully he'll be back on the sooner term but we don't know that for sure Doc rivers saying that he shouldn't be out for line they are going to be extremely cautious ilise George. He's got broken leg rather than that doesn't really have much of a lower. We're potty injury history did have actually the surgery before last year which is part of why I was so surprised came into last year. Just kill in the way he did. But that's probably not related to a hamstring hamstring. And I would expect that that will ultimately be okay. We in return to Minnesota left knee issue for towns illness. He did not play against the Pacers. They lost I and it's been a month now basically within being questionable every game and not playing a little fast and loose here. This is one where if the NBA NBA is really going to be serious about gambling marijuana. Crackdown on this. He clearly was not questionable at the beginning of this to be hasn't played after a month like that question will. Do you have a fifty fifty chance of playing while. I can't believe that coin turned up. Tails thirteen times in a row when he had a fifty fifty chance of playing. That's obviously a ridiculous designation but there is this issue of an eldest supposedly. His knee is no longer in issue. Wolves reporters adding that. He could be back on Friday and Saturday so I really hope that happens. He was having an awesome years. Here's and we'll see if they can marry some of the better defense. They've been playing with towns his offense that and try to get on a little bit of a roll here. The the playoffs are not totally out of reach them yet. They did at least have a decent stretch here against bad teams recently. That's kept them out on the fringes at a minimal. A couple of two way standouts have signed full the NBA contracts. And the timing on. This is not a surprise because the last day to sign new two way players was January fifteenth so converting them on the fifteenth allowed the heat and the warriors to sign new guys. Some some notable differences in the structure between Christova Contract Damien lays so silvis contracts. They're both fully guaranteed as they have to be for the remainder of this year. However silvis contract is fully guaranteed for next season for twenty slash twenty one whereas Damian lease is a little higher? I think that's because he's because he has an extra experience. He has a higher a higher salary if he makes the whole thing. But it's only six hundred thousand guaranteed and then each of them has no guaranteed bunny for twenty one twenty two however it according to Bobby Marks Crystal structure as a team option. which does they decline it to make him a restricted free agent and Davey? Saving lease is is unprotected entirely you'll start with Silva Bonzi undersized basically center at this point in time but showed showed enough Am I definitely believe in Miami's evaluation when they WANNA bring guys like this into the system that they know what they're doing I do worry a little too undersized but it's nice to have different types of options especially at backup center and more of a speed energy bouncy undersized sized center can be pretty useful there and he got a pretty good deal compared to a lot of these guys Damian lied to me is shown a lot more. He's older as well. L. Has more equity in the organization and frontally get six hundred thousand guaranteed for next year. I thought that seemed really low. But the warriors for whatever reason and most of the Times these negotiations unless it's with Kevin Durant or with other teams are on the Diangelo Russel trade and signing usually seem to get a little bit better of a deal than you'd expect even when you'd think that Lee had a fair amount of leverage here now of course they did move things around for him and and they said Markey's Chris to a two way contract after waving him. No one picked him up off of waivers. Despite the fact that he'd had an okay year again speaks. So maybe Chris's negative reputation or the fact that senators are pretty undervalued or I shouldn't say undervalued just that they are probably properly valued and that that values they used low The good news for Golden State about Chris is that remember he was on just a one year deal. They wouldn't have had any kind of bird rights on him. Should they want into since he's coming off the two way they can now sign him for a longer contract once they have enough room below the hard cap it if they wanted to get another year are of him to bring him in for next year when they won't have that hard cap restriction now they are not able they only have fourteen players to convert him as of this time because they only have three hundred ninety four thousand blow the hard cap and March fourth would be the first day they could sign a player to the rest of the season. Contract will see if they open up another roster spot at the trade hey deadline it would be a competition between Kai Bowman and Chris Bowman is used up all his service days. He's now back in the G.. League is one of the better net ratings on the team team at negative five point four. So I'm sure. They are hopeful that they will open up another roster spot before the deadline and they can bring in Chris and Bowman on full. NBA Deals in. There is that sense. The warriors have more of their mid-level exception available. That's how they can do these longer. Term contracts if they if the players are willing to accept yeah well they could always just signed him to minimum but they could go beyond that if the players are willing to accept it as did with Lee. Yeah I mean it's probably that third year With is the most surprising because lease. What Twenty six twenty seven that's it? He's essentially signing away. All of his prime years of minimum. Here I know that for a lot of guys in your thirties sometimes even in your twenties it can be a bit of a shock to realize that you might be losing her. I was one of those guys at age twenty five. I realized that the troops were starting to retrievable Noel bit so I started taking finesse right at that time and fifteen years later turned forty this year. The troops are holding up pretty well back then. 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Valid only only prescribed three months minimum subscription additional restrictions apply see website for full details and important safety information once more. Remember that's four hymns dot com slash. Couchbase you've got that /capspace you are. I'll know that you came from us. Also worth noting in Miami Tyler. Hero Tuesday hurt his left. Knee sustaining a left knee. Deep Bone Bruise did not play in their victory. Wednesday over the spurs unclear because he plays the Miami Heat how long he's going to be out and whatever they say left knee bruise or not necessarily left. Knee knee. Bruise is that like a bone bruise in the knee. Suffered like on the inside of the joint is that just bumping knees and suffering a contusion so the former as heat fans no because in twenty thirteen to Dwayne Wade famously dealt with so many knee issues do a bone bruce. That's that's right but Taylor. We said he was healthy healthy they would have beaten the two thousand sixteen calves. Sorry I just I I got triggered there for a second big news though Zayn Williamson gooby back in a New Orleans. He's GonNa Return though on Tuesday not Monday for the showdown Martin Luther King Day on national. TV with John Mirant. I'm not surprised they're doing it. This way number one. I'm I'm sure the season ticket holders want that to be his debut at home number two back to back so they're not probably not gonNA play back to back Sarasota season David Griffin said that so And this is coming via a presser that grew up did a small correction San Antonio game on Wednesday not on Tuesday Okay so it's not about back. Yeah so but it but it is frustrating yes for a for our purposes because we were planning and probably still planning to do the end of that game for the Martin Luther Luther King Day NBA cast. But yeah that is that is yeah so so he hopefully will separate himself from the walking wounded in worlds. Yeah and there's talk that he's GonNa come off the event they are going to ease him in A. I'm quite sure jerk. Favors says that he's GonNa play as we're recording this during the day Thursday against the jazz coming off of that right hamstring hamstring strain. Says he feels good again. We've mentioned some issues with the posterior chain is career. I've always a little concerned when guys come back from injury the first time against their their old team that they're just really pushing to be back for that game especially when it's a a muscle injury a Kendrick Williams is not gonNA play tonight against Utah. He's been out with lower back. SPASMS SPASMS has been ruled out early for quite some time here so it could be a while still for him. jrue holiday is out with that elbow. Contusion he suffered an pretty amazing that he continued to play Lee through that in the game he suffered at that it must have really swelled up on him because he's been out for like a week now but Brandon Ingram. It is probable play with a sore right knee and JJ radic is questionable. That means he has a fifty percent chance of playing. I'm GONNA say though with a hamstring injury and radic grew also has a history of some of this poster. Chain stuff that he's got not play but we'll sit you'll by. It's I'm listening to this. You'll know the answer to that. What else we got here? Kelly oubre he looks like he took a shot to the head on Tuesday. During the first quarter played through it and is now in the concussion Russian protocol he will miss Thursday's game against the New York knickerbockers and I always the. NFL has gotten a lot of attention for you. Know The blue tat and all that type of stuff but I mean the NBA. Yea seems like there are times that something happens and they just they just play through and don't get looked at. I mean it's got to be tough. I think when you get a concussion in the NFL. It's just so so bad that it's pretty obvious. You know because they crash into guys all the time and so most guys will probably just wait it off and it will become really clear earlier that there could cost because you just has to be so bad that you just like can't continue. You know like what happened with Jacob Evans the other night but I mean these brain injuries. It's a really tricky. And so sometimes guys aren't GonNa show symptoms right away and then you know remember. They're flying right after the game. They report something. They may get get reexamine. Haven't so hard to know whether there's blame to go here that he played or whatever. I didn't see the play. A guy who is not going to be converted at the two way deadline line or the deadline to sign new contracts. Was Norville Pell. He did play last night we did the NBA cast for Brooklyn. He's got a couple of days left on that forty five days jerk bogner. His opinion is that they're unlikely to convert them to an NBA contract between now and the trade deadline. 'CAUSE THEY WANNA have some roster flexibility and basically basically what it means is the sixers are losing the chance to sign someone to another two way because January fifteenth which passes the last day decided that they would have converted him had another two-way spot and could endure have used it as the warriors did but impel has earned a spot. He's been the primary backup center in the absence. Ah Joel Embiid it. Over Callo Quin yen. We'll see if they create a roster spot. That's GonNa be one of the one of the big questions there in Sacramento thereby Donovan Bohdan is still out with the ankle issue that he's been dealing with. He did play on Saturday. I think that was on Wednesday. He did do one on one work at shoot around was moving moving around so there's a chance that he'll play on Saturday and they have missed him. They had a close loss to the mavericks on Wednesday night. Yeah it's been six straight games now for Buchnevich Donovan on the sideline. Okay See. They're starting to suffer a fair number of injuries. Impressive how they've been able to weather it given their lack of depth But they're missing missing Abdel Nature. He didn't play where they got beaten. Pretty thoroughly by Toronto came back to make a close at the end portrayal throughout mostly gained by double digits. And probably GONNA be Awhile. He got injured on Monday. Anger out ruled out pretty far in advance. Stephen Adams suffered a bruised right. Knee am guessing usually when it happens during a game aim that it means like actual bruce as a result of bumping into some which is probably not as bad of course as something happened structure in the knee as we just talked about Miami Nerlens Noel. Well he's been out for six straight gains with a left ankle sprain. He's been ruled out events game so Justin Paton time. We talked about him in the northwest. What's the vision preview? Can't trade him now so I'm interested to see Justin Paton Heff is He's not gotten much. NBA Action Was rafted yes sidetracked by that foot injury So early in his career in that never really got a chance to get on track. Orlando's is in is an interesting one especially considering what happened on Wednesday. Dj Augustine had. I I have not yet heard the results of that as well recording. This and Evan Forty due to a quad issue when he got he got kicked in the leg he did not play against the Lakers on Wednesday in staples goals and yet the magic still won that game. Yeah is a lot of West. Wouldn't do a lot of BJ Johnson playing but it was really a lot of Marquel Volta. He ice the Lakers at the end. I still have some of these concerns about the Lakers. Crunch time offense although it was really their defense that killed them in that game. I'm Jeff McKee basically gave up eight straight points due to miscommunication that he was involved in or just getting beaten. Dwight Howard to me is just so much better defensively I would say McGee. Is maybe a little bit better offensively just due to his versatility as a finisher but I like Howard much better defensively out of surprise that Frank Vogel went back to McGee. Hey D did not play in that loss. Of course. Actually the Lakers I loss to a team. That is under five hundred Lakers trailed by twenty twice in this game. They trailed by twenty four immediately. Gave up a twenty one two four run and then went on a twenty two run of their own took the lead. It seemed like the tide was swelling. And then the magic agreeable to restore order down the end. I mentioned the crush offense. It was just an incredible dichotomy because when Lebron James would just hold the ball and run the clock down they got terrible shots shots. I don't think they scored in any of those situations in the last three minutes and when they ran quick hitting actions. They've got great looks every time. So that's something to watch in the future regime. Rondo remains out with that that finger issue as well Alex Caruso head to leave the game with Called inconclusive concussion symptoms after getting hit in the face and in Cook was replaced him as best game of the year with twenty two points. What's going on in New York? Right now frank no Kena is he's questionable for Thursday's game game against the suns and he was. It was a late scratch on Tuesdays game so generally. That's going the right direction. Dennis Smith junior is dealing with a strained left Oblique. He does do not have a timetable to return and has already missed nine straight. And then Marcus. Morris is questionable for a game against the suns. Do a neck issue. Yeah another one of these against this fourteenth teens. Maria quite a bit of bitterness against the Sun's even now three teams later. You would imagine For Smith he said he's actually coming along faster than expected acted he'd heard that with oblique could be two months. But I ain't if that's really vs not play until the trade deadline and and the Knicks in theory are thinking about moving in there are some some teams that are interested. The wolves of heads reported interests the per Ian Begley. But this has been just a totally lost year for Smith has been terrible when he's played but you know he's really either been and coming back from injury or out nearly the entire season so far for Memphis Jae crowder did not play in their stirring victory over the rockets. Where Job Rant was ten of eleven Evan from the field and actually tell Jenkins played him above his minutes lament for the first time? We got up to thirty six minutes ever really seemed to get caught up in the moment. So we'll see if if that minutes limit increases remember. He had that surgery in the off season. It's made sense in season. That in theory wasn't going anywhere to keep them on the Muslim but now that they're winning all these games in the middle of this homestand homestand. Perhaps that's GonNa Change. Perhaps that's not for the long-term betterment of the franchise but crowder it's unclear. It's a long term injury for him with this hip issue. He didn't play against the rockets but they didn't need him against rockets and there is a a moment where they were playing all five of their young guys at once which was pretty cool to close out that game we we can jump to Brooklyn of we did the NBA cast on Wednesday night. N D Andre Jordan dislocated his right middle finger. Will you not have an updated. Prognosis on on his his availability at Garrett Temple has missed the last two games with a knee contusion an in Atlanta one of one of those larger expiring contracts. Not that he has been a a big part of their encore. Product is Chandler Parsons Channel. Parsons was in a car accident. And he's in concussion protocol and also. They're checking out for whiplash so hope that hope that he's doing better and presumably. I mean that's the most important thing is physical while being but with Parsons it's it's a little bit different at the trade deadline because the team that would be acquiring him. We'll be doing so for salary purposes. So they would take away the physical if they wanted to in Boston. Jason Tatum did that play in their shocking loss against the Pistons on Wednesday due to a sore right knee. We'll see whether it's just a maintenance thing and he plays tonight against the bucks. I hope he does because We're doing that cast on the NBA twitch channel digitize did returned turned from a sore knee. against Detroit the Bulls man. Are they banged up. They did manage to beat the wizards as lucrative played thirty. Five minutes and Bradley deal was not exactly waxing poetic about the wizards culture which is a surprise to me. Because I think they've actually been higher than expectations but apparently not his Chandler Hutchison Suffered another shoulder issue. Potentially an aggravation missed over a month with that. This could have been one of those things. Where like maybe you needed surgery or I tried to avoid surgery by rehabbing now is injured and again so we'll see what the prognosis is enemies? Supposed to be reevaluated. Later in the day and then Daniel Gaffer d- The reason that the Unicorn had had to play so much he missed two to four or will miss two to four weeks with a dislocated right thumb. The they actually actually said that before the game was even over. So yeah it's GonNa be Cornet. Maybe even a little Feliciano time at Jim Boylan has been pretty insisted on playing a senator. He has not played marketing marketing and young together hardly at all even with young having a very nice game. He didn't WanNA close with that group and the to his credit actually worked out even though it wouldn't have been my choice and finally Denver. Gary Harris didn't play against Charlotte on Wednesday with an adulterer issue So possible he's GonNa Miss More Games. That it's Mike Malone is talking about taking the big picture approach with him. Jamal Murray had to be helped off the floor with the another ankles beneath him to get an ankle sprain like once at once and I'm usually a little more worried about these because he got when he landed trying to block a shot Put More Weight on when you land from a jump than if you're just taking a step so that'll mean more for will barton a ball hailing role by a Morris is probably going to start. You would think and Michael Porter Jr. might get some more time at playing in a small position. Nestle the four. Although Paul Millsap Mrs Fourth Straight with a left knee contusion and no word on how long. It's going to be there for him are let's talk folks some southeast division. Should we begin with the Atlanta Hawks out. They've made this stunning trade. We might as well and so. The hawks now are two two point. Six million under the cap after this trade and they do not have available roster spot though they do have lots of ways to clear roster spot should they need to and the hawks also also should they want to use it. Have the the room exception still available. They still have capitalist. They also still have the room exception. And as we noted Jeff tea and or Trayvon Graham Graham can be aggregated in a subsequent trade though. I would guess that they don't need to do that. It'll be more if they wanted to or the other team. Potential trade partner will be there also is a piece of background. The the hawks have all of their own first round picks moving forward plus Brooklyn's if the nets make the playoffs this year and Oklahoma City's in twenty twenty two if the thunder make the playoffs that year They are missing a couple of their own seconds. But they have some extras while from now and it would be nice if they had their own seconds just as a way of getting some value back because they're also goes they suck this year right. Ed notes there so as as as marketing as well so the Hawks I mean their biggest need going into the season but also going into this part of it was backup point guard. I that's a a big part of. Why Expect Jeff Thi? This isn't just salary filler. Something for them. I expect the Jeff teague will be on the roster for the remainder of this season an IT After for this move it becomes harder to see though. It is absolutely still possible to see the Hawks as a facilitator and part of the reason. Why is this interesting question about well if they have so much cap space my projection seventy-three million? They could easily if the hawks wanted to. They could use some of that to take on a player. What whoever whether that's doing dead men in order anybody basically else but when the team has that much cap space you can also say well why not keep? It maintain the flexibility whereas a team that does not have cap space that is trying to basically that could take on salary. That doesn't reduce their spending power would actually have a much smaller opportunity cost. Yeah I agree with you. We're going to have to like just I have a Dork nerd fight about whether we should project them for sixty million or seventy three million in space of for next year. I think Parker is going to opt in an and their draft picks are gonNA lower it down to sixty but I guess in theory. They could have more if they needed A. And frankly they're probably gonNA Have more space than they know what to do with. We'll see I'm still interested to see what they're able to come up with. In terms of some veteran free agents Andre Drummond of course has been discussed. We've discussed disgust those rumors quite a bit hundred. I have discussed it quite a bit. And the most recent reporting from James as the third has talked about in the Central Division preview for the Pistons is the discussions have centred just around basically sending expiring salary for Drummond. I guess it can't hurt to do that right. I mean you might as well get the guy for this year. It would hurt your draft pick for this year. I suppose but it probably gives him more leverage if things go well then. It's it's I think the expectation for me would be that it's a higher higher price but it also probably makes more likely to go there. Even though Burke writes don't matter it also gives the hawks the ability to give him a fifth year which I think would probably be a mistake Yeah giving him a fourth earthier. Probably stay sir. What will one more thing Drummond here? I think it's worth even discussing. Whether for this team. It would make sense to just trade for him even if you don't have to give up anything other than expiring contracts because that player option is a big risk. The team he gets hurt he's ineffective defeat next to John. Collins doesn't work which I'm very skeptical of by the way I think you'd like to have more of a Shooting Center next to Colin soon to open up his role ability and we saw that Blake Griffin Drummond only really work because is griffin was able to shoot. The ball swelled. John's unlikely he's going to get to be the level of shooter in playmaker that Griffin was so. Yeah if Drummond expired this year short go ahead. It definitely do it. Get the upgrade for this year. Yeah you might hurt your draft. Pick a little bit but the new rules in terms the lottery. Aren't that bad but that player option because the players who's GonNa make the right decision you harp on this all the time where either. He's GonNa play really well and then he's GonNa opt out you're GONNA have to pay him or he's GonNa play poorly obscene and you're like Oh man we could have been doing something onto George better with that. Twenty eight million and their market forces that could lead Drummond to picking up that because if he thinks that devalues drop for him between twenty twenty twenty and twenty one the other year could become a free agent if he picks up. That option isn't as big and he's not going to make twenty eight point eight million anywhere else than maybe he picks it up happen again. Then that deletes to the same problem and the leverage play into so the piece of information that Atlantic could get which could be valuable as his fit which on Collins. And you'd rather know that with a couple of months sample than with a you know committing on a four year contract but the the ability to wait it out to see what senator gets into into the price that you're most comfortable paying because supply is going to outstrip demand by a lot on the center market in two thousand twenty. I think is more than worth it. So yeah there's a I. I hadn't thought gone gone extreme with it but I think that's a fair point. They might be able to get like two quality starters for that. Twenty eight million. I mean even if German Kinda just plays it as normal established level. All an ends up opting in. I still think you might be able to do better for this because to me. It's all about the high replacement level at center like is Drummond really that much. It's better than say Atlanta Native Dirk favors or surgery. Baca or a mantras Herald. Probably you might as better than him depending on what you you need. Both those guys might be kind of overrated. But so and then you look at some of the guys who might be available on the wing of Roy so neil as a restricted free agent will look awesome there for for example Joe Harris as the shooter could be a great fit that so there's Bugden Bogdonovich Evan four-day. He's kind of redundant with her. But you get my point here. I mean I think there are enough starters to go around and few enough teams that can offer above the mid level and or is it would going into the summer of twenty twenty twenty one. Is it worth just keeping some cap space open next year as well. There's to me I really don't like that player option so I even think that it's not a good idea to do. Even if you just do inspiring objects giving up real value. Oh boy yeah that gets into a bigger problem and something else for twenty one is John. Collins is a restricted free agent. That you're absent in extension attention. which would be he's out? He'll be eligible for over the off season but remember that since he was a later pick. His capital is just twelve point. Four million so the hawks could wield a lot of power. And it's hard to imagine next season going worse than this. One has in terms of desirability for regents. Now there will be a lot more. Hyon teams desirable. Locales that will have cap cap space to work with but you could still use that for trades in a number of other things that could potentially lead to a better hawks team than Drummond who also doesn't fit h curve and all sorts of other stuff the other thing. I want to mention the hawks before we move on. They have a lot of young players but I don't think they're young. Players are at the point where traveling wants to train them so hurt her and and members depending researcher collision There isn't anybody who is both superfluous and desirable. So I imagine that they're going to stand pat unless they WANNA use somebody like Damian Jones's filler. Yeah these superfluous desirable players such a great commodity. They are unfortunately exceedingly rare yet. The other option that would have been more of a last last year Lanta move would be say tried to talk to the heat. Take on James Johnson and dion waiters but the whole bad contract destination thing. It doesn't really seem like there. Are that many teams trying to dump contracts. They're also planning a competition from the likes of say Cleveland there plenty of massive expiring contracts out out there for teams. That WanNa do that so I don't see them going that route even if they wanted to. I the only thing I could maybe see them. Doing is getting involved lived with say Denver. Hernan Gomez would be someone that they would love to get some restricted free agent rights on do it try a lower level trade for him. I'm not assured me Beasley fits as while with herder already in the fold but you know he's way better than they can't radishes again if they want to try and get better beasley pig contract contract expectations but he would be restricted tough to see where an offer sheet comes from there especially if he's already on the Hawks team as opposed to having to go after them in restricted free agency. Now you could say that they could go after those guys in restricted free agency as well so you wouldn't want to give up too big of an asset there but that's another thought to try and find a young guy on another team that that team doesn't I don't WanNa pay We talked about those guys yesterday for Denver. Anything else come to mind for these guys For you not really player most likely to be traded which is weird after that just made the trade. Oh well actually one more thing we might talk about too is that if it's not drummond. Maybe they try to grab someone else on the center market sure and they could and an and they could do something long-term washer term. It doesn't really matter if they think somebody can be a part of the solution than buildings and that was part of the idea with with deadman. Though I think that a deadman trade would happen happen if if if they were to bring back it'll be more logical to just wait until the summer they'll have the cap space to take him on and then they'll know what other options were on the table and right now they don't have unless slink. There's a master caliber of where the senator mark going. He doesn't know how that deadman contract is going to look in six months. And Cody Zeller would be another one who might be be available but yeah I would be a little bit load to take on money for next year at this point in time because again I think there's GonNa be some decent value there and you know Zeller even deadman. Those guys aren't going to be a part of the INTRO and they're not gonNA make the playoffs this year. So yeah you're right that weakening their graphic is more conceptual. Now because you teams could jump up. There's more variance in the lottery. But you know I mean. Even the Hawks are nine in thirty two right now and even if they're better I expect they will be in the second half than they were in the first half. That's still pretty rough. Oh we never picked it either. Pick a player. No No. It didn't yet. I just wanted to get to that. So let's see who are options. Turner Parsons Damian. Jones is kind of a piece. I'm GonNa go with Damian Jones just because I could. I could see them trading him in a fault move involving center and I think that's the most likely acquisition position position now. That Point Guard is Phil. Yeah I mean this is a tough one. Now they've made the movie. Infants car isn't good enough for a contender to want him. You know he's as a biological a Guy Graham. Maybe he'll be involved like those guys might just be involved in a trade due to roster spots may be more than anything I mean Carter. It seems like they the L. So can block a trade so it's going to be card assuming he wants to stay there and since more likely if he does get traded he would get waived so don't see it being him Jones's like Kenna playing for them me still young in theory Jabari. Nobody's GonNa want him though with that. Six point five million dollar player option which was Not The grease -sition brush like. I guess I'll go Graham. I'm good but I don't like it speaking of undesirable player options. Let's go to the Miami Heat. The heat are in the tax and barely below the hard cap after the Chris Silva signing so basically if they're the structure here is if they're making a trade it has to reduce their twenty nineteen twenty salary. It cannot add to it as a functional consideration. Asian that doesn't mean they are prevented from making traits. That makes it hard and it makes it very difficult to use their six point. Three million dollar trade exception from Wayne Ellington or the remaining about four point eight million of their mid level. The exception Miami is in such a challenging place because they would love to get better. I mean they've they've had a successful year in their positives that bill But making moves to improve is difficult and also making moves to improve their books for twenty twenty slash. Twenty one is difficult because the players they have are undesirable and they are incredibly impacted in terms of graphics. Yeah I it certainly seems like it would be difficult for them to make a move now they to have a lot of very intriguing assets on this team if they wanted to. I mean think Casey Apollo we talked about him as maybe the low level guy. Thirty second overall pick a they gave up a couple of seconds to move up and grab him from the Pacers in what was initially sons. Pick that went to the Pacers in the TJ Warren trade but he he's guaranteed for three years going out but basically as with the minimum and they've got Duncan Robinson. They've got Kendrick Nunn. who had three three last night? Hero supposedly untouchable there. They've got justice winslow though his back issues are pretty concerning and they've got dirt Jones Junior. Who is going to be a unrestricted free agent? This year. They will have full bird rights on him but it might end up losing. Potentially a I think a lot of teams will be targeting him. He looked good in Atlanta uniform. Finishing some trae young for example and and actually giving them some defense on the wing so they have the assets you mentioned the inflexibility with academy. I'm not as worried about their graphics. Going forward they can still trade one in which you would just have to turn into seconds to be first available draft but just the whoever got it would have to realize that it's not coming until twenty twenty five at the earliest it whether it'll be a whole different era of heat basketball point you mentioned pat. Riley won't be around anymore will not only that but Miami doesn't have they can't trade a second round pick it till twenty twenty seven inch. It's it's amazing so like they can't. That's the seven-year rule. I don't even think they could train that one. That's not not until the draft or after the draft so should say but the biggest issue for. They've got so much stuff they don't really have any easy to fill needs. It would have to be some kind of a move by like people talk about me like Danilo Gallinari for them. I don't know how much he I mean. It would be nice the a little more shooting at the four play him next to Bam. They've got enough defense in theory to to make that work could be an upgrade on a lennox the do have all those Contracts with Olympic James Johnson and waiters. And I guess I guess Danny they could make them because they've got all these cheap contributors if they can find a way to get off of Johnson Olympic and waiters. They could have like forty million encapsulates for this summer. But I don't I don't even know who they would target like to me and and think about what. The asset costs would be James Johnson. Definitely a negative value contract waiters definitely native I e contrary but I mean think of they're the only ones who are probably trying to get off a salary owlry the summer you'd think so maybe the cost to be a little bit cheaper that could give up one of these. I trump picks but I think that seems more like a summer move right especially if they can trade their twenty twenty first they cannot do it right now but they can wants to pick as Mitt but I mean it would make a lot of sense with under maybe go after Chris Paul with that kind of a package but again with okay see maybe trying to make the playoffs. Do that make more sense than summer. Especially if Jaanus were to sign. That doesn't any player veteran extension. We'll see where these guys finish up in the playoffs too and so that seems more like a summer. Move to me or to just open up the space for I mean. I don't think you know. Maybe it could be salary ballast for a Karl Karl Anthony towns if he really gets disgruntled but I think again. I think we're getting ahead of ourselves. Is trying to get creatively with these guys. But it doesn't the another decision that Pat Riley is GONNA and have to make any predictions much as anything else is is. Do they think it's workable for both sides to bring drugs back so drug each making nineteen in point two million this year. But he's an unrestricted free agent. That means either side can get out of it and he isn't it playing as large of a role in this team. As I expected partially due to the ascendance of Kendrick Nunn on an theoretically that could be a mechanism for the over the hard cap this year for adding salary for next year. Moving forward if a team we're interested in drag as I think they keep him around just because he's helping and he can in especially in the case of injury he can be an important part of it so I I think it's another one of those circumstances where yeah in an ideal world if the right team come calling with the right offer. Maybe consider it. But I don't expect that to be there especially when Miami's playing with such high stakes because they're having such a nice year how would you be valuing justice winslow. So if you're the Heat Oh god I mean I still like winslow as a contributor I e he in some ways to me because of the role that he plays within an offense is is more of a second unit for razor than a starter. I think you know I think in some ways it would have been challenging for him. Had he been healthy this whole year with heat because his place place within a Jimmy Butler team would be fundamentally different but his contract is if if the vacuum shoes are not persistent I could see a team being interested in him. Thirteen million for next year and then thirteen million dollars team option in twenty twenty one which is went. Water franchises or valuing flexibility option. That's plenty of flexibility can kind of go either away with that so I don't think I would if I were another team I'd give up something of of meaningful value but if if the heat were looking to get off of obligations I could see I could take him modest specially if I hadn't expiring contract and we're looking for space like let's say Cleveland Cleveland. They have all these expiring contracts players who don't really move the needle that much. If if if Miami said we want out of justice winslow maybe give us a nominal second. I would do that if I work with the he but I don't think it will review obviously is for sure her of Yemeni. It'd be nice sitting but I think with Jones a free agent. It gets those versatile three four stopper types don't necessarily you know because they don't want Butler Guardian those guys and Bam you want him to play sadder so I think it is important to keep around his ball. Handling does provide a little bit of additional I. I wouldn't expect him to be moved necessarily where we go next. Almost likely to be treated I'm going to go change Johnson even though it's a hard trade trade to make just because I think they have more I think he's more tradeable than dion waiters given all the stuff that's going on right now with him But it's GonNa go Pala doesn't really fit the heat ethos to traded guy like that but they've got a lot of guys that his position and he might be the one to give a slight upgrade again. But but I don't feel good about it. Yes this has been a longer podcasts. news but fortunately the three teams in the southeast I think are pretty short comparatively to some of these European magic have seven point eight million under the tax tax after the Timofey Moscow stretch got entirely removed from their books. They have no exceptions use. The mid level on Alfred Commu they could theoretically created the disabled player exception. But we don't know that right now so that's that's one thing also the magic every single team in the NBA has a pick either road or oh to them or from from them but the magic have may be the smallest collective obligation because all they have is the Lakers twenty twenty seconds. That's going to be one of the probably another five picks in the two thousand twenty draft. So they don't really have much in the way draft after assets losing Jonathan Isaac for Awhile Dot the whole season. Losing out for Commu makes it. You know I'm sure the magic would love to be would love to get better. But they don't have a ton on a flexibility even moving forward so I think there. It's kind of hard unless they WANNA do something. Big Like Trading Aaron Gordon or maybe moving on from one of their centers like if they decided now is the time to cut bait on Obama which I do not expect it at all that that they would do it. So what is there any kind of conception that you think is were discussing. Well I think the biggest thing is people have been really on the idea of having forty being traded it with that player option. Seventeen million next year having a career career year could see him opting out of that may be trying to come back to the magic. He's also a is still pretty young amazingly even after having been in the League for eight years now a came in when he was nineteen so a guy certainly worth the another contract for teen that needs some secondary ball handling young enough where where he might work for one of the forlorn five though some of those teams outlook to forlorn anymore like Memphis but that that being of course our term for the teams that are going to have caps basis face it this off season. I don't see the moving him. I don't see them hurting their playoff. Chances it just doesn't seem like where this franchise mentally a so now. They might just get get so injured that they decided to do that. Also nobody's exactly like growing larger in their rear view mirror at this point. They might feel like they could make a move to get a little bit worse. But Ah what is. Are you going to get for four days that you're GONNA get a first for him. Maybe you start thinking about it. Will you remember. Also that forty-eight has leverage as a potential unrestricted restricted free agent. And that there. I don't see a team that both really likes forty and has so little spending power otherwise that trading forum is the only way to get. There is a value to that in certain circumstances. But I don't really see those circumstances being present here. There's no team that screams Evan forty-eight destination that also has no flexibility really. Yeah at so many guys out in injured too. It's just it's tough now. It's not like they're playing at some unbelievable level. Whenever was healthy? I do think there is a are some Moose. Wait actually let me make a little provide a little color to the idea of like. How much wiggle room? They have so using using director based projections for five thirty eight. The magic are a projected to win. Forty Games just around five hundred in the team that would be that has the highest record in terms of theoretically jumping them is Chicago Bulls who D'Amato projects to win thirty one games so thirty one games is only eleven more than the magic. Have Right now. And we're halfway through the season and the Bulls brought more injured than the magic are right now if we use their yellow model. It's still thirty one it's just the Pistons. Instead and the Pistons might be trading Andre Drummond which will lower their projection. Yeah it's not a not a particularly inspiring group behind them so maybe they think we could trade forty-eight you can get a pig I think it's more just about perhaps the demand for four and also trading forty. Hey if they're not gonNA cause if you're trading can't resign him makes it a lot harder to be competitive next year. And they don't have a two guard waiting. That just needs the opportunity. And it's really a similar similar piece of logic with Aaron Gordon. Gordon's contract descends. It has to a he'll be make eighteen million in twenty twenty one and sixteen point four in twenty one twenty two. He definitely have interested. I think that in theory Gordon in Jonathan Isaac for not GonNa play them at the four and five are overlap. A little bit too much for my taste. But what is conception of Eric Gordon Trade. That really helps the wizards. I don't think teams are falling all over themselves to get Gordon at this point. A player who's reputation might actually be hurt by how long ago he came into leakey's still like forty eight very young but he hasn't transformed captivated really since he went. He's just a good functional player. And so on a reasonable contract I I could see teams being happy to have him. But I can't think of a a trade idea unless somebody values Gordon significantly more than I do. I think any other team does to make it work a and there might even. I can't even think of an Eric Gordon trade conception that would help the magic. Not Not even the wizards same thing you can swear on this The most likely to be traded. I'll go with forty eight. Just because they could be scared of his free agency and Augustine enough noise around for me. That may be. It's possible but it just I just don't it doesn't strike me as the are they're gonna like cripple their chances to win two games on. I love that the Bajic are like the hall of very good of teams where they have all these players that I could imagine. General Manager had the hall of like pretty good maybe slightly slightly slightly above uh-huh yeah and then they also have some negative value contracts. Maybe less so because they're still projected to go forty and forty two this year. Yeah because that's one of our over unders that's going to be like right on the borderline they'll probably make it it though because everyone else is going to be so bad at the they'll be trying you'll be so angry if that's what happens. Bob should price that in. It's not a new thing. Yeah okay one of US did. Let's get to the Washington Wizards and any trades. Aaron Gordon based or not. That may help. The Wizards are currently four million below the luxury tax. They do still still have a five million dollar trade exception from Thomas at Ranchi Trade and a one point six million dollars in a notable piece of business for them. In terms of the flexibility that Tommy Sheppard could have had they recently cut. Cj Miles to fill out their roster and while that makes team better malices presumably missing the rest of the season season miles eight point seven million would have been useful salary. Ballots in some conceptions in the wizards are among these teams. That could have theoretically added twenty twenty slash twenty one salary and so they could have used miles for that purpose who they would have gotten or anything like that is not a clear proposition but it is you know to me making that trade. A few making the cut a few weeks before the trade deadline is a little bit dubious. When the wizards aren't even tried to make the playoffs they probably could have had that guy sit on the vine for a couple of weeks said we will pay you eventually? So I think any discussion around the wizards has to start with Taoist. Protons and I think that he is clearly wanNA resign. But there's a thought that it's going to cost a lot of money. He's young enough His shooting be useful on just about every team in the league that he he could have a market that significantly above the mid level the exception even though at times he doesn't even start for these guys but second rounders no I would. I would value his bird rights. I'd value bring him back. Put a first on the table you know in in the twenty s you're listening. It's a really shitty draft. Go on at least. That's what they say. An Emmy for protons is there is. There is some sort of confidence that other than if if you repaid. I don't think he's getting giving quote hometown. Discount to a non playoff team that he played on for one year so if the reason retaining his bird rights is to overpay him on a team. That isn't going to be probably be pretty good for another couple years. If that I I mean I would do it because I think they're gonNA. I mean if John Williams they Pantley the probably right there brother probably right if they can if they could just get like a another defensive center on her in there like one more guy could Japan troy broad as look good re takes up for Wagner like they could actually be fully healthy and proved their defense even slightly. They would be kept well. Congratulations they could be. Maybe like the seven or eight seed and get lax by whoever. The one or two seat is next year. I I mean I get that but like you just electrons go or no I think you you try to if the team gives you the value trait. Yeah while I'm saying like what else do they do with this money. They're going to be capped out for a while anyway way they got nowhere. I mean they got wall and beal on the roster you might as well Gipper Tonj back An and his shooting is really for for that reason. He should age reasonably well He's twenty seven now. He'll turn twenty eight early next season. So yeah I mean a three or four year contract. I think he'll be fine for that. So yeah it it can be but remember he can batons could also just leave. Let's say he's more interested in Memphis or any any number of other teams like Washington. It's not like they've given him the reins in had him started giving him A. I mean he gets to shoot more but I don't think I think any team that will be selling batons would be selling him on that same stuff if the Portland Trailblazers wanted wanted to trade you Rodney Hood and a lottery protected first. Rounder would you be interested in that for yes especially because the blazers offers to me they. Don't they can win games. But I don't see them as that pick is becoming like a bottom five in the first round in. It's not it's been probably not conveying this year and presumably the next draft will be better so I I mean to take on the dead money which is not that much so the opportunity costs for the wizards of the hood. Money is marginal true. I don't think I would do footsteps even so I guess the only thing we could talk about too. Is that the wizards if the time as cap hold about thirteen million if they lose him they could have a around Iran. Ten minutes or really it'd be full mid-level exception type of money next year Yeah I might be battling batons a little bit higher than you just be. I mean the level of shooting. Talk your value blink retaining batons more than we value him similarly players. I just think that the chances that the wizards retain him on non disastrous contractor pretty low. Yeah I mean it could be disastrous East got tornadoes. I think he's got two tornado sales in his past. So is that a little bit of a concern that he might not age as well as sued. Hope for twenty-seven-year-old still I think he's religious. An awesome offense supplier. I'd love to see some of the transition that you could get with wall. I mean now. Granted John on wall coming off torn Achilles. He's got all these problems Probably Never GonNA play back to backs again in his career. All that stuff a but still still like Will we'll We'll see but yeah I mean I think there could be a big offer for him out there but also just for the narrative of the franchise you got the guy for free is probably the biggest feel-good story of the team this this year. He fits at any position or he fits with basically anyone offensively. I think the factors are that he's not GonNa get moved Unless it would take a little bit more than that Portland package that we're talking about especially if it would be pushing it out another year. which in theory should reduce the value of the draft pick what else talk about these gusts? rumor that they cannot trade Bradley beal during this league year because of the structure of his extension he will be traded eligible in the offseason. But they can't do anything I think. Maybe they could do something with your main me. They're only their best defensive player in terms of that. Same concept of salary filler. Trade him for future year. I don't expect that to happen either. There just aren't that Biao I don't think they can do the bad money. Gone bad money for next year. Because they will need money to use their mid level that the gathered there a little bit too. Yeah yeah they're a little bit too close so yeah. I don't expect them to do it either. And they could theoretically even though he they could try to sell high. I on Smith at six million dollars especially if derrick rose let's say is not on the market than they could they could sell that as trade frischmuth and then you don't have to use your mid level on a backup point guard texture. Sure that could be appealing. But I don't think they're gonNA get an asset worth making that sort of move. When the wizards think they could actually be be respectable an extra because they could be? Yeah and you don't see them trying to trade for for anybody Atlanta style to get better this year that that doesn't make any sense so it doesn't make any sense but it is possible. I I don't think it's their their new. Management is not gonNA Grunfeld out. This went up at Especially after the lesson of Trading Kelly Oubre for Trevor Ariza last year Charlotte Most likely to be traded Protons such probably right especially especially now that. Cj Miles got wave because that means that salary filler. When it's done? Yeah and like an Isaiah Thomas. He doesn't have enough value to be traded somewhere. What about George MIC right? I they want to keep it. Well yeah they do have early bird rights on him for next year he could use it that score off the bench especially Thomas is probably not gonna be back next year. Yeah I mean he said some pretty good Games lately A good score doesn't do much else is also twenty eight This off season but yeah I think they probably do wanNA keep amusement playing well for them. I let's look. Let's look lookit Charlotte. The Hornets are e point. Four million below the luxury tax threshold. They are still holding about six million of their mid-level exception. which is it's remarkable? When you think about how a little bit depth could help them and yet they didn't do it? Ownership is the biggest competitive advantage in the NBA in terms of asset base. Charlotte has all of thirty first and no extras. They do their own seconds. In Twenty Twenty One and twenty three. But you have some extras Cleveland's in twenty twenty most notably coming back to kind of offset that at least close to it. The big question that I have with Charlotte is just what the heck would they WANNA do. I mean they. They're really it would take a lot for me to put with them. On the playoff roller coaster. Really get into that. They could maybe maybe. If with like a an upgrade trade or actually using their mid-level awhile ago could have gotten into the. If one of these other teams gets even more catastrophically injured. They could like the nightspot that becomes the eighth spot type of thing and they do have a crap ton of expiring money that could be used used so for me. The biggest question becomes of their. Let's say expiring Marvin Williams most notably is there a market for those guys. Either as salary balanced were were just demos players. Yeah they've got beyond both seventy million expiring Williams's fifteen million expiring kidd. Gilchrist is thirteen million expiring. John Algebra had interesting idea not at that Potentially a team could trade a smaller salary for Gilchrist and then move Kidd Gilchrist to stair step up with the salary matching to get say eighty something like a Guatemala Williams to be the only one who has any value at all. What would be your price for? Marvin Williams is a good vet in the locker room. He helps them a little bit. Hopefully they haven't diluted themselves. They might actually make the playoffs they need to keep them. I mean to me I might WANNA say. Second in the fifties is just so worthless right. Yeah for me I would. I would only seek out a second below forty five. I mean maybe two seconds in the fifties maybe but yeah it does make the very little hardware. You're not getting a first rounder for him. The team would obviously have to have an expiring contract going back another. This is another team where Williams can play. If there were more bag contracts out there they could maybe get more value for him by taking back so new head bad money for next year. But as we've said ad nauseam there are not many such players who exist thrust if these guys look like buyout cans I could see Williams even being a bio candidate but A. He's really the only guy to me that could get brought in so I mean the Hornets might might make sense to make a a proactive. Move for your Beazley's or Hernan Gomez is of the world's You're restricted free agents on another team. Who may not becoming back that? That might be the only proactive move. I could see them making. They do have twenty six million in cap space for next season. I'm interested to see what they want to do with that I I would see them. Probably just trying to get a starter or two with that. But they've got so long to go in there rebuild if you're looking at the keepers on this group I mean Rosiere like maybe maybe but I mean I. I think I think they could be the Charlotte leverages this summer for somebody like Evan fore. Dia To say Charlotte Charleston. Offer me twenty offered me twenty one or whatever yeah but between devante Graham That they even have a guy on the scene who projects to be a top fifteen star position. So they've got a lot of work still to do I. I also would be wary of winning too many games if I were them. Frankly they need to get billy's be in the mix for that number one pick and moreover limit their downside for for if they don't get into the top four like this team you don't WanNa be like you know picking ninth potentially they've They've been around that range for some time on now Another thought might be that Cody Zeller would be of interest to another team. He's got money going in for next year. Probably a little overpaid especially considering His intermittent availability. Don't see him being too in demand so openly I foresee a quiet deadline. Most likely be traded probably Marvin Williams I would agree on Williams Liam's just did. The sales point is is easiest in the salary difference between him beyond just go curses small enough that it seems most likely that he'd be moved and remember that they have cap space face of Charlotte making that you know that salaries shift move doesn't make as much sense for them as it does for a lot of other teams or gate here. Yeah I'll mention that I'm doing a collaborative operative breakdown of the trade. That happened that we talked about here. The teague crab trade. I'm still working on what the phrase is going to be for me in my head about that trade with same ASEAN the inside part of that will be available on the topic as people are reading this is should have a couple other pieces in the offing as well in I will remember. Remind people that because it's on an unusual unusual day that we will be doing the NBA cast on Martin Luther King Day and so we will record between now and then but just to kind of keep it in mind. The current plan is that we are going to do Lakers Lakers Celtics in its entirety. But knowing the two of us and how interested we are in the game. We'll probably do the end of Pelicans Grizzlies as well if it's cost art. We'll talk to y'all next week. Have also Martin Luther King Day weekend so.

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Politics with Amy Walter: Diagnosing Georgia's Primary Problems

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20:39 min | Last week

Politics with Amy Walter: Diagnosing Georgia's Primary Problems

"Support for the takeaway comes from hint water fruit infused water with no calories and no sweeteners hint water is available in over twenty-five flavors including watermelon and blackberry in stores are delivered directly to your door from drink hint dot com. Listener supported W NYC studios. It's politics with Amy Walter on the takeaway. Good to have you with us. It's our second podcast of the weekend. We just had too much good stuff for you. This episode is about how states in particular Georgia is preparing to hold an election in the middle of a pandemic and win more and more of us say we want to vote by mail remember this. Georgia's primary election day was marred by longline vessels ordered this morning after a primary day that was hit with a series of problems that was fueled by the pandemic waited line for hours due to a shortage of workers and issues with new voting machines had to be extended in an effort to allow everyone to vote Primary Day in Georgia this past June, a litany of problems and lots of finger pointing. Perhaps better embodies the polarization and partisanship with which we approach election administration these days. At a global pandemic into the mix, and well, you heard what happens since June election officials Georgia have been working to improve and restore faith in the process for what is certain to be a contentious election in November and in a little over a week, they'll get another try on August eleventh more than half of Georgia's and fifty nine counties will hold runoff elections including Fulton County. Fulton County was the epicenter of Election Day problems back in June situated in Metro. ATLANTA. Fulton County is also the state's most populous forty five percent of the population in that county is African American it's also heavily. Hillary Clinton carried the county with almost seventy percent of the vote in two thousand eighteen democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams one it was seventy two percent rub pits is chairman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners. We spoke about the steps he's taking to alleviate the issues which plagued the county during the primary put together a citizens special elections task force to review what happened to confirm what we've been hearing, what the problems were their findings and recommendations were well received by me but more importantly by the board of registration and elections ain't going to implement pretty much everything that they. That they recommended well, it looked through some of those recommendations and I'm wondering how far you all have gotten on some of these things I mean one of the very first was. We we need to hire the cow needs to hire inexperienced vote by mail manager and educate voters. With a really clear communications plan about how this works how the process of voting by mail operates. Have done. We have a very strong marketing advertising campaign that is. Getting underway that will focus on educating voters in Fulton County as to what the process is, how to vote by mail, and by the way my goal and what I've directed the that one hoping that the goal. The goal is for everybody we won't forty percent of our voters to vote by absentee ballot. We won't forty percent to vote early and we want twenty percent to vote on election day by the way worth respect to voting early. We had I think there were five or initially five we expanded to eight. Early, voting locations on June night. But for the August Eleventh date early voting, which began on July twentieth, we have nineteen early voting locations. The county is divided into six commission districts. We have three early voting locations in each. Commission district for a total of eighteen. Then we have the super duper one, which is what I refer to it as that is the deal that I cut with. The Atlanta Hawks and we're now using state farm arena as a early voting location, and it will be used also as an early voting location in November. So we have a total of nineteen now and we're tracking those. We have enough people working and what my directions in or to make sure that we have more than enough trained personnel at each location. Let's say we do get to November or in October and. Atlanta Georgia and Georgia is seeing a surge in covid cases. Are you worried that you are once again going to be scrambling to get people to work at these polling places and do you have the resources available to switch and say, let's do more much more vote by mail. Can you process a higher volume of vote by mail? Yes. We can. Because we're GONNA be using State farm arena. Once again, thanks to the generosity of the Atlanta Hawks. We have the SPACER and we have the people. We not only have air people, groups and volunteering. To, help with this process because everyone everybody understands the importance of voting and there seems to be a tremendous amount of interest for all kinds of reasons in the November November election. So I'm convinced that we're going to be wealthy pair. We'll have more than enough I. Think we're looking at probably having an excess of two, hundred, two, hundred and ten polling locations for the. For the November, general election and we'll have adequate train poll workers as well. Also poll workers, right. So what happens if we're in the middle again of like a surge and people say just your poll workers young and old say I don't feel safe doing this well that that can happen and that's why I want us to have a strong bench. We've gotTa have you know a number of folk on the bench to say put me in coach? I'm ready. Well, chairman pets I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me I wish you the best of luck in August and of course, for the November election. If you need me call me we're here. All right. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Okay. So chairman Pitts says he needs a strong bench for people who are ready and willing to work the pulse November Evan Marlboro a graduating senior at Georgia. State University in Atlanta one of those who work the polls during the primary. Definitely was a misunderstanding with how the machine worked on Election Day specifically, I served as an election technician and luckily through my experience working to pull at Georgia state I knew how to power on and trouble fix the machine. So I was able to help my location location wasn't as hard hit but my experience as early voting, I did experience extremely long lines of the last day of being early voter whole worker I. Think I. Got I left polling location about one thirty. AM after coming there at five thirty am the day before rights almost twenty four hours at a at one building we now have. As much staff as may have needed on. Then you know we couldn't get voters through as quickly as possible because we couldn't have so many people in the room due to the COVID nineteen crisis rights we had to make sure there weren't too many people were we can risk and infection right? So it was a lot. You know a lot of voters came which I'm glad about. But you know we were we had a line door from time. We opened to one o'clock when we closed. So it was it was definitely a triumph experience. You know we it was wall to wall so we couldn't get braids I was so happy when I got home, it was able to eat. Very. Happy. I live with my parents currently and they actually got a barbecues that was a great reward for the Long Day. It actually was a lot of work a lot of mental work just staying up in processing people because you know making sure somebody's information is essential for their vote to be counted. So it was definitely a high intensity experienced from sunup to sundown seeing the need for experience poll workers. Firsthand Evan founded the Georgia youth poll worker project started off with just the instagram. and Google form. And what I did was I reached out to my county election officials and say, Hey, do you guys need poll workers are young people and of course they all said yes. So. Then I use instagram as well as my connections are Georgia state specifically through the Honors College in the Andrew Young School to help get a lot of students recruited to work, and then the project kind of took off from there. I can say proudly since we started and I'm actually checking your now we have recruited four hundred, seventy, four poll workers for the election since July first at the Marlboro is a twenty twenty graduate of Georgia State University and founder of the Georgia youth worker project you can find them on instagram at Jay. Underscore. Youth underscore poll workers. Given the likelihood of a poll worker shortage this November, we put the question to you. Have you ever worked the polls. Are you considering it this election? And why or why? Not and as always you delivered this is Ken Ebert Walston late New York. Yes. I am going to volunteer to be a poll worker and to help out in any way I can hi, this is Joanna in Denver I've never thought of working the poll but this year more than any other election I would love to the only thing holding me back as co that I'm in the age group that is most vulnerable and I also have asthma. So I've really been self isolating. Is Kiera person from Columbia South Carolina. Will be doing polls. This year have training coming up next week if you've never done it before but after waiting in line for four hours to vote the primary and seeing less than a dozen people working behind the scenes I, thought it was a good idea for me to go ahead and try to assist as best I could my name is Angela Robinson I am calling from Plymouth Minnesota. I have not ever been a poll worker before, but I have signed up to be a bowl worker for the general. I am African American and I want for other people of color when they walk in to vote shoes the a friendly faith of a person of color. When they arrive that is the reason I have signed up. Hi, I'm an open California residents and I have tried to sign up to be a poll worker every year. Since two thousand twelve. And I have never gotten a call back or been able to do it. And I don't understand why I'm a registered voter. I have been registered in Oakland. For the past eight years and I'm just curious what could beginning in the way five minutes. In Richardson. Area I have worked the polls all of my life off and on and I had every plan on working this poll well, now with the pandemic I don't know. So torn I haven't been able to decide I didn't realize there was a shortage. Yes. As a Latino male I have never seen representation at the polls of people that look like me. I've always felt ostracized thought like detached in the process and I would love. Love love love to know how to get involved. If Tony. I saw as being part of my history. Only. I was able to experience it as a young person and be able to see through I've eaten more involved now, but now's a good time to. We always love to hear from you. Give us call eight, seven, seven, eight might take, and if you're interested in learning more about being a poll worker, contact your local election office or county Superman's. For more on how prepared Georgia will or will not be this fall we turn to Stephen Fowler political reporter for Georgia Public Broadcasting I think that elections officials in Georgia are as ready as they can be given the sort of volatile mix of a global pandemic combined with a new election system combined with demand graphic political shifts that put the state on a razor thin margin of battleground status and unprecedented shifts to vote by mail unprecedented shortages of poll workers in places to vote and given all of those things rolled into one I think every day is. Every day is a battle of elections officials trying to make sure they're the most prepared for what's going to happen in. November, and again given where we had come from. Let's talk about maybe the different pieces that need to be put in place before November. The first would be that the absentee vote by mail process works, and that obviously is going to require some technical raids as well as the postal service ability to be able to deliver these ballots on time and get them back to election officials. Where do you see the actual mail voting process at this point? Well. In the June primary more than one point two million Georgians voted by mail. That's a record number. You see an unprecedented amount of people interested in voting by mail, and that's going to put pressure on the postal service. It's going to put pressure on the county officials that have to process applications and handle the balances as they come in, and it's going to put pressure after the election is over to make sure that those ballots are tabulated and any issues with signatures. or things like that get rectified a timely manner and that people have faith and trust that all of those ballots are counted and counted correctly. Yeah and it's it's interesting. There is just a Monmouth poll taken in Georgia this week and asked voters Georgia about some of these questions and what it found and I guess it's not that surprising given the polarization on the issue of vote by mail that only about a third of Republicans said, they intend to vote by mail. And more than sixty percent of Democrats say they intend to vote by mail, which then again puts more pressure on Atlanta and the Atlanta suburbs where so many of Democratic voters live how is Fulton County responded? Do you think to the pressure that's on them to perform? Will you know Fulton County is Georgia's most populous county? So every problem that you could see in any part of the voting process is going to be magnified by scale in Fulton? County? With this increase in mail in voting, there are drop boxes that counties have been allowed to put up and sat up for voters to hand deliver their mail in ballots to a secure location, the secretary of State's office. Developing an absentee ballot portal that will help voters apply and track their status online, but also helped the county's. Keep track of the applications and make sure that they all get administered a big problem with Fulton. County in the primary was people were e mailing in ballots. Some were attaching their entire households worth into one email. So maybe only one got processed they were blurry pictures of applications that staff had to go through and try to decipher, and there was just an overwhelming number of appplications received by email that the county did not process many of those either couldn't find or didn't get to. Them and there were many people that were left waiting on an absentee ballot that was never going to come which lead to more problems at the in person voting on election day. But I think more people are aware of absentee voting more people are aware of the time it takes if it goes through the mail and I, think the county is definitely aware that there is a huge interest especially in heavily Democratic county to have people vote by mail and so there's more preparation being done. To proactively help voters with problems to proactively process those applications and proactively encourage people to return their ballots as soon as possible to make sure that everyone's lives are easier. The other thing with absentee voting it's not the only option for Georgians who don't want to vote on election day. There's three weeks of early voting and end Fulton County. The Atlanta Hawks have offered up state farm arena to serve as a massive early voting location I. was there myself a last week they have A. Hundred machines setup for the August runoff and should have about three hundred setup for the November election day, and that's a huge scaled up voting location that people from all over the county can go to before election day where they can still cast their vote in person but not have to risk weighting into three hour long lines. How easy is it to get to the arena? I'm just thinking about folks who may not have cars or you know who don't have easy access to public transportation. Well Atlanta's Public Transit Agency Marta has a train station underneath the arena that they've closed because of the pandemic but are reopening for early voting the hawks which own several parking decks closer the arena are offering free parking for those who do drive in and want to do it. They're offering up hawks staff to guide people into the system that have trained as poll workers to help go through the voting process and you know downtown Atlanta is somewhat central to most parts of the county, but Fulton actually has more early voting. Locations than any other county in the state. So not all roads lead to a giant basketball arena, but it should take off a lot of the pressure of people in and around the city of Atlanta who might want to cast their ballot early but don't want to vote by mail or don't necessarily trust the by mail process Stephen Fowler. I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me. I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure we will be checking in with you as we get closer to election day. Thank you. Movie watching Georgia closely for how effectively they handle the August eleventh runoff and of course, we'll continue to check in on this date and others Their preparations for what is going to be most unusual election day this fall. Shadow. To the crew who puts this show together, Ambra Hall and Patricia Europe Our Producers Deb Daughtry is board operator. J cow is director and sound designer polly Gouzer digital editor. David. Gable is executive assistant and Lee Hill is our executive producer. That's it for us today. Thanks so much for listening. It's politics with Amy Walter.

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Where Do the Pacers Turn Without Victor Oladipo? | Group Chat (Ep. 374)

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Where Do the Pacers Turn Without Victor Oladipo? | Group Chat (Ep. 374)

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We're also gonna talk about mellow actually. Justice things on mill are always great. It's going to be a lively lively little segment here, especially because it wasn't an NBA site the other day, but I or on a somber tone victory will depot went down last night seemed pretty bad as soon as it happened. We got the news today from Shaam Sherani a- that it is a ruptured quad tendon, he's probably going to be done for the rest of the season. I guess kind of first thoughts here, obviously, it's a bummer. But beyond that, I do wonder what it pretends for the for the rest of the season for the Pacers. Well, I guess it just as a question of are they going to change direction? Yeah. And what this means for if other front office going to just stay with this team. I mean, the seem very likely would still make the playoffs probably wouldn't do much. Once I got in it. The question is what are they going to do with the off season their plans as of now, they are definitely leaning into. We are a win now team. I think. That the Tyree signing was like the biggest indicator that everything that they did this off season was a big indicator of that they were trying to put things around depot that would work because that's what they're missing last year. And they have a lot of expiring this year. It seemed like they were only going to keep getting guys who were win. Now. A lot of their players have looked better and have improved which is encouraging the timing for this is just timing. Anyway, her been terrible. But sa- bonuses looked a lot better Turner to remove Lauber defensively. Phenomenal. Yeah. So everything that they've wanted to work out. It's kind of worked out and even of late Terex looked a lot better. It's just it's such a bummer, but it will be a huge bummer if they decided to change your actions, it sucks because they were actually like one of the top teams in the east two and a half games out of first place thirty two fifteen and this is why think they can't really turn back the other way of that makes sense like they have their their their way too. Good to try to like. Tang for the second half of the season, which I don't think is even something they would do because they were still pretty good. When old people miss some time earlier in the season. Now, of course, he limits him being out for the entire season. Definitely puts a hard cap on their ceiling in the playoffs that you mentioned. But I do think that they could still win a first round series. Yeah. I guess the silver lining ear, and we can get into how this is kind of a bummer for all people. Just because of how he's in the past two seasons after he left Oakley. Okay. See and just kind of what it means for all star. Which is like it's always nice when a guy like Bill gets nominated for those sorts of things because I think he plays in Indiana. First of all, which you know, they don't get a lot of shine. But also, it's like you went through the two different teams to start his career. And finally came on the end, it's kind of like a symbol of like all the good things that he's been doing lately, I think on the the silver lining is you get to see a little bit more for some of those young guys. Like, you mentioned I think like they have a lot of money coming off the books here. It gives us a chance to kind of see what else is there in particular with Aaron holiday who guys. Like, I think everybody. Seems to be pretty high on. I don't have much of opinion on him yet. Just because I haven't really watched a lot of them. But I guess if you're saying going forward that we need to build the proper context around a depot now, you get a glimpse is basically we were saying about Anthony Davis when human down for this what? Now appears to be what one to four weeks you'd see what they have. Well, I think the other the other conundrum is that. So right now, they're third in playoff seeding there. Only two and a half games back from the first spot, and there's virtually no way that like the pistons who are night like they're going to be in the playoffs. I would even say that they're not going to drop lower than the fifth seed Aislinn, maybe Haley. Yeah. Agree with you. I don't think I mean, maybe the nets keep going on this run that they're having a note get the fifth seat, and then, you know, Pacers six, but the east is just so weak that they already have such a strong identity team that they're gonna stay up there. Here's the issue depot going down. So the bucks or the top the raptors or second right with this team. Exactly as. As it is. Before depot was injured. Nobody is going to believe that the Pacers would beat them. I don't know. I was I was Sandra -taining idea of which team the raptors are the bucks I could be given the series. Yeah. They're not getting past them. There was already sort of a ceiling on what they could do is. Currently we were talking about them making a move with it that I mean in slack about making the deadline for a Mike Conley perhaps, and how that would perhaps give them that level that we think that they could you know, compete with those top teams in now it just shows like that's not even that's like the Lisa concerned, Indiana trade or the draft is the only way to bring another started depot. And so it's just like this is studying the back so much that he's going to be offering entire season. And like you said, I think they have the defense. They're the second still the fourth in net rating. I think there is something there that they've built that will be able to sustain them throughout this run. I mean, I think the the big question is more going forward. Like, what moves you make? Now. What moves you? Make the next offseason and demeaning to start worrying about victory depot as a guy who maybe won't even be able to. Reclaim the height set. He's had the past few seasons. And you saw it even before he went down. I believe he miss double digit games with the knee injury. I don't know how much of that connects to this kind of debilitating one that he had today. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some calls in effect there by the way plays. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a great point. And I do wonder if that's gonna linger even on into like the next season or even past that what you really have because they are old people run team. He's been really great in the clutch for them. For instance, even though is shooting percentage has been down. So you've already seen signs that like if he's not going to be that guy. I don't know what you do there. There's a little bit more doubt than like, maybe we should've had previously. I don't they're not super reactionary the organization because I would like to see let's see of tyre can keep playing at this level. Let's see how much further. Myles Turner can go. This is a pretty solid base. It's not nearly enough at the top. But I just really really think it'd be a mistake to reactionary to this also interested in how Aaron holiday does. I he the few minutes he had earlier in the season. He looked really good. And there was even rumors that they were well, they're trying to trade Cory Joseph, and or one of Cory Joseph for Darren collison because they wanted to give Aaron holiday more minutes and won't now he's going to get more minutes through unfortunate situation. So that'll be interesting to see. Yeah. We'll see what goes on there. I personally would advocate for for getting ready to some of these expiring contracts. He's only because like you're in the position where you're probably gonna have to overpay to keep them. There's going to be a lot of money available on the market this summer what we're expecting and not a lot of players sign them. So I do wonder if a guy like that young who's going to be thirty one might get Little Richard deal. Then you're gonna wanna sign is the type of deal that like I wouldn't want to sign a player to there are a few those guys up and down the roster. Tyreek been pretty average most of the season. Even though he's come on a little bit later bogged. Boy on. Geez. I always get the bogdonovich is. But again twenty nine this team is there kind of reaching their expiration date. So that's the issue that they're kind of up against the clock in a way that I don't think we'd expect them to be. It's not the same advantage for other for some other franchises that to have all that space in free agency. Because again, they're not a huge agency destination. Also don't know if this changes are I don't know what they're gonna do with miles Turner hordes bonus. Because it seems like they're going to they're trying to play them together. And they've had a few stretches as wait where they've looked piecing together. But it does feel like one of one of them is going to have to be the guy that they picked the big that they had that the keeping that they pay. Well, they already pay Turner. But you know, like, and I don't know if this somehow changes that with all the going out, and I think if any if anything it gives them more time to figure it out. Yeah. It does set a different kind of date for them. If that makes sense because they have to be more patient there. Impatient. Now. But then that ties into a year saying, which is they have these guys who are twenty nine hundred like that young thirty one which they don't know what to do with my hands bonus believe, I think next year is the last year of his rookie contract so ably a for an extension this summer and going into November. So I do wonder what they'll do. I wonder I guess kind of this is another small silver lining. But like maybe some bonus Niks into the all star game to take depots place because as we seen lately, the east all-star lineup pretty grim. We can talk about that one right now here. I we'll find out the starters tonight, which is Thursday. Also, find out the captain's which I believe is mostly dictated by fan voting. But the rest of it is fan voting media voting player voting's fans. Get fifty percent of the total media is twenty five percent players. Twenty five percent. It's pretty bad in the east right now. Just to give you a glimpse at who's leading the voting based on third returns. It's Jaanus who is the leading bogut. Are. I believe overall Kawai in bead, kyri twain Wade. That's in the ease in the west. Lebron Luca our guy Paul George Steph and Derrick rose for some reason. I guess general thoughts you guys care about all star to begin. With is probably a good place to start. I I guess it depends on what you mean care about. I think it's more entertaining. Now that they have captains selecting like we're going to tell us to CA style. It's televised. See what order they're picked in. I think that that makes it a lot more fun. I've said this a lot. And I really don't mean it in a curmudgeon any way, I just don't think that we should have all star on the same level as the other awards that we give out with it being such a high percentage fan voting and with the way that fans vote. I mean, you see like doing weight, and there you see Derrick rose in there. It's kind of like they're doing it not based on basketball, totaling on the storyline. And that's kind of one of the essential. It's always been about it is it more for the fans is an event just to put on a show a spectacle. Moore's it just should be based purely on merit should because. It is. It is definitely for the fans. But I think that my my only problem with it is kind of. When I am writing something in I put he's a five-time all-star just going forward like that only is relevant in the context of someone being popular player. I would say though that while I grew with that. I think there there might be. I don't know what that threshold is. But there's a number. I think where we get to that number and then it becomes. Okay. This is this is meaningful. Like, if you're like two time all star in the sky made it in twice because of popularity board whatever not actual merit. But if it's like a five time guy with seven-time guy. You're like, okay. Like that means something you know, what I'm saying. Like, I don't think I don't think it has them. Like, I think I agree with you in that carries less weight than we maybe think, but I think if there is repetition over time multiple appearances, then that should tell you something. I think if anything I just think it's means less and less. Yeah. And then like the way and rose thing is just such a like slap in the face to this season. I'm just like you can have there's no one more. Eligible really like especially in the west. Well, that's what up Kobe too, right? I mean his last season go I mean Jordan's last season. Basically got in based on that. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of it was the starters are definitely fraud. I mean, it gets a little bit better because coaches decide the reserves, but even then they'll like nominate guys that you wouldn't expect there's usually one or two guys in each class where it's like, I could kind of see it. But there were probably like two or three guys that are probably more worthy of that spot. And also like it Sultan, people getting bigger bonuses. Anthony Davis memorably didn't put on all MBA team. But also, I believe he didn't get all-star starter that year in lost. What would have been an extra five percents? Definitely not being contracts. That's insane. Which was always a difficult matter because as a media, and you're voting on it, you essentially get to dictate whether or not this person gets more money, which should never be in the hands of lying anybody. And makes it really uncomfortable. When you have to tell them again vote for you. I can't remember I think I'd vote for him. Have you told somebody that? York done. I think it's public if you really cared. He could have looked up to see like what I did with him to his face. I'm pretty sure I made it pretty public. I respect that. There's a while. Yeah. Wow. Voting. But I don't know. Like, I think you could see the discrepancy between just like the fan voting first of all. And then like for instance, what Kevin O'Connor put on the site. The other day. I think there's in terms of just starters. And that's what we'll figure out tonight. I think there's like one spot and each of the conferences because even though we are going to do the the captains picking teams here. They're still giving up votes based on conferences. I think it is interesting. There's like once-power it's like it can go anyway for in terms of locks in the east. I would say Kyrie Embiid Janas qua- Aldred, but then that lasts spot which has to be a guard spot, which what is a guard to begin with. I have no idea. But like who do you give that? I would give it to the ultimate guard, Bradley Beal. What is it guard? He is gone shooting guard. Yeah. True. You know? I I think he's been really good, especially with John wall. So I would give it the Bradley view personally. Kemba not the ultimate guard building. Guard now forever referred him as that. Yeah. Cameras. An interesting one definitely like the Hornets of slumped a little bit here. I believe they're eighth right now in the Eastern Conference anything seventh all-star over all MBA is worthwhile. Because Kemba should not make all MBA. It's a different how much I'm curious. How much do you guys factor into your picks? How the team is doing. Well, all star. It's not nearly as much. Probably personally probably because they're more spots. I guess in all star. Right. What is all MBA fifteen where we're giving of twenty four and all star. So he could be a little bit more lenient. I factored in when it comes down to the west, for instance, in merges like haggling over like like percentage point in this rate or something like that. Like that event. It starts to matter. So Anthony Davis, non you're not you're starting to you didn't vote. That's an interesting question. Because that's another big way is your guard for the east. I would probably lean Simmons smart, what KO C had to add its weight is like so crazy. It's it's it's all a fan like farewells by. Yes. All it. And I is. Players mind is like Dwayne Wade has been amazing. It's just manufacturer like thirty thousand jerseys trade with everyone like. Grams jersey that he got from China for like five dollars. Yeah. No. I don't know. I don't feel good about the Simmons vote. I would vote like four different players in the west of him. Yeah. Yeah. Would you guys be like because I know it's idea has been kicked around is like scrapping conferences for the all star. Yes. There's no reason that there should be a starter is right or anything. Yeah. I mean, it I imagine it stems from the same reason. They don't switch it for overall. She's like which east teams and executives in owners would ever agree to that. Like, it looks good. If they have and all star. And it looks good for Charlotte. For instance, if Kemba Walker starting all start yet. So I I don't know if I would ever pass. Yeah. I would go Simmons. I don't feel great about. It depot would definitely have been the Mexican. He's healthy in in before that the there were issues like if he had enough games played. Yeah. Other than that. There just aren't a lot of qualifying guards. Which is really the shows you the dearth of talent in the easier where like half the teams aren't even like worthy of spot in the NBA. And the west is is the front court though, you have currently let's see here. Stephan harden. I think we can all agree are. Yeah. Pretty much lots or they should be logs. If not for Derrick rose, or wherever the hell is gonna get in if any Davis Katie in Yokich or who Kevin picked what do you guys? I think actually maybe even to those spas can change amazing vomit. I would keep it the same. And I'm so sorry LeBron. I never thought this day would come. But he's just missed so many games a lot of games. Oh god. I feel so dirty. She would that which other to keep amongst Etienne. Katie Katie, you'll get ya. I would do eighty K de Paul George. Yeah. Georgia is going to be the interesting one. It's really tough to leave him out. I also wonder like would you put him in over Steph like just because of the missed games? No. Because like there's another level to Steph that when he's on the court and how he's looked when he has played that I this is kind of maybe a little hypocritical in changing my like parameters if you will. But it so above everything else that I that you see that it transcends like the Mets games. I think what stuff in particular. Yeah. I would see this is where I would knock it defer for wins. And maybe give someone like Yokich the nods simply because I think this is where like because starter versus reserved like in the grand scheme of thing doesn't really make much of a difference at all probably gets skewed based on fan vote more than anything just because like popularity and then it gets into this whole diced conversation about what is an all star. I would probably go Yokich Katie LeBron if only because the Lakers have stayed in the playoff conversation when the Broncos healthy. I don't feel great about that. I would just. Let me FOX Platon. But one of the interesting ones, I do think is Luca being so high up there in the fan voting. Yeah. I don't know what it is. Maybe like Madrid comes out in full force in Slovenia. Like, I mean is a big market. And so, but all of a sudden he's just as popular as LeBron James, which is insane. I mean, he's you have to think about it this way he was already coming into league as a teenager. Yup. With a international fan base behind him that could be the case or they're just like working the Google machines in like, I mean, they're they're just like really active online voters. Of making like Russia Russian style. Bought a good. I wouldn't put it past. For me. I would do it for go to fix us. A like. I don't think he should be a starter. I don't even know if you should be in the also game you just said, he should he's not you're starting lineup. Yeah. No. I'm just saying like, I get why the voting is this high ab-. I I do think that there is value to how much we just converse about these players like not that bring her MBA's like Representative larger sample, but we have probably he's probably one of our three most talked about players this season. Just in terms of what we are discussing. So I mean, if that correlates out to, you know, not just Twitter, but the voting body of the fans, and yeah, that makes sense. It's kind of opposite of like wait in rows and being reminiscent of them. It's exciting in its new you think it's actually pretty interesting to get a glimpse at what like fans think. And they're this is definitely fraught because I don't know how these votes are getting tabulated. They can't do it on Twitter anymore because Justin Bieber got involved and all of a sudden like the raptors players were like through the roof in terms of voting. But. I think it's like Representative like we know that Dwayne Wade shouldn't be there. We know Derrick rose shouldn't be there Luca most likely not shouldn't be a starter. Maybe he's a reserve bowl of a sudden you start to see where people are gravitating to in an almost like it gets me out of my little bubble. Yes. That like yet. Dwayne Wade is a superstar, right? Who is beloved in plays in the Miami market. That's among one of the bigger ones. Are you surprised at all that you honest is not just in as the starter being voted by fans, but also like one of the top owed gutters because? Yeah, there is a sense that I'm still thinking about he's a Milwaukee. And that's not a big market. And like, yeah, he's amazing. He's very much a highlight creator, which has a lot of I think currency these days in some ways. And but but I'm just sort of surprised by that in terms of just the market 'cause I I didn't think he had that huge following in that sense. And it's great point. I don't really get a good read on him. I get the sense that based on like some of the merchandising sales. They released from. The NBA that he is pretty popular. Now, he also has an international following. And I think it speaks at this whole thing like like how big is the NBA internationally, and how many votes are coming international you'll really transcend their market, and he's one of them Kempson example of someone who doesn't yes, we've never talked about Kemba. They're just not very good. I I think Charlotte is the small I think it might be New Orleans, actually, but New Orleans Charlotte. Memphis are among the small. So I forget what podcast. I was listening to today, but they were talking about which was the status team in the NBA that you felt like the most sorry and somebody said, Charlotte. I wish I could remember, and I just totally agreed. It's like them or the pistons there since I was from. Yeah, we're not talking about them for multiple reasons. But both of them are just so stuck. Yes. I don't know the pistons would be that was from it just because I mean, I don't know everybody saw the Blake Griffin. Reggie Jackson video last night. I was like of this trading. Mike conley? Sure, why not do it. I would not wish that upon my comedy. But those amazing is playing with this Blake finally get off. Reggie jackson. That's exciting. And this I actually like Charlotte. I spent some time there during the playoff series. I think like, yeah. Charlotte's lovely good barbecue. Nice people. But that's not what we're talking about. The other issue there. I guess the difference between Detroit and Charlotte. Charlotte is in the south and buses a little bit more football leaning, Charlotte is very much Panthers town, and so I think there's just not much of a fan base to draw from there and like the team left for a while. And then came back, so there's that kind of divorce, but there there is a certain astrologer for that like adorable Bumblebee mascot that they have Jones. Speaking of all stars. I'm gonna make this transition is not gonna work, but we're going to go with it. Anyways. Guys. Did you know that the Golden State Warriors are playing the Washington Wizards tonight rough I think we're gonna call this the watch of the night. I I'm really excited about the Washington Wizards going forward. I think Bradley Beal the recall. Ultimate the ultimate guard. We need to get on your shirt off of that. But I'm super excited about this team. We were watching on a Sunday. I believe Bill just go off in Toronto and that overtime game. They're one of the best watches currently. I think I'm not just saying that because the warriors. No, I'm talking about the wizards. I the warriors again Hostetter and scam. I right. I know should read about him on the radio dot com should go. Do it extensively. But no, I think there's something about that team. 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Oh getty. Yes. The Atlanta Hawks who traded the rights of Luca Danni for trae young have a lot of other young guys John Collins, Kevin wetter and a bunch of draft fix going forward. The debate here is which team as I guess the best runway going forward. I just want to say, I don't like the adversarial nature of. This throw Luca like as pro guys you can get. So that's not the argument here is not how contacting him to just turn all their attention very much for Luca. I just want to say that out front. So I'm not anti the Mavericks and what they're doing. Yeah. Polly was just a question. Yeah. He he texted me the other day and thought what did you say I said kind of random or weird question. What if the hawks actually have a better situation or core going forward? Then the Mavericks is when you guys are Texan about at night. Yeah. In the middle of the night shift, the diligence in I know that that's hard to sort of parse through brilliant think about because Luca is already such a transcendent talent. But I'm just looking at this maverick semen. I don't know what they're gonna do around him. Now granted that may be come more clear in the next few months next year, which should given that they have a talent like that. But it seems like with the hawks and we've seen it as of late. They've really come on late. They have an identity to have a system they have a young coach who is willing to put in the time to develop these players Mavericks. I don't know if they do and they have a good front office. A lot of people from the warriors came to the hawks and trae young has like good in some spurts tough another spurts, but he has hit Kevin herder John Collins, you have another chance at a top three pick. Probably I don't I just there's something about it that feels very progressive. And I do think that they they still need that Luca type star. I don't think I don't think trae, I know if trays can be that or maybe he will at some point. But in just in thinking about those situations. I just wonder it's more of an indictment on I guess not an indictment, but more of a curiosity about what the Mavs are going to do around around go. Well, I think you know, maybe we'll see the same kind of change in trae that we did in second year Darren, but I just think that their timelines are so different. So that's why it's hard to already Cuban is looking at Luka's. Okay, great. We can pivot away from tanking. I hated that. And they are very much already in a win now situation not necessarily that they have the pieces, but that's their mindset. I mean, look at who they've surrounded him by the only other young person they have was rumored to be in trades last week. And who knows like it seems kind of like he's unhappy even though now they're like outwardly rekindling it. I'm not. I'm not sure what's going to happen with that in the offseason. But also the Mavericks have a lot available to them this offseason in terms of cap space. And I don't think it's going to be difficult for them to sign somebody. You think it's an interesting look at just like the expectations you can afford upon yourself by making some of these moves Luca hits immediately. And all of a sudden, you're kind of expected to do something with that. I think they have a golden opportunity. I mean, we talk about this a lot because I think Kevin Clark in the NFL kind of with the tracks for this that when you have a star on a rookie contract. You could do so much else with all those means like in the NFL you could spread it around. You all this other stuff you seen with the Sixers and we've talked about this. Ben Simmons being on his rookie contract. They can go out this summer, and they still have enough cap space. I believe if they get rid of Marquel Foltz to go at it a fourth guy to what they already existed and still have Jimmy Butler. And so you've almost put pressure on themselves by nailing that Luca pick. I think the thing with them is there's always been a question are they a caste based team? Or is this the type of team that should have probably built through the draft along time ago. And like he mentioned they're going to have a lot of money available. But who are they signing? Exactly. And so how does that affect what they're going to have? Because if they don't dig themselves out of kind of the trenches here, they're not gonna have the draft pick because it's top five protected. I think that the way to look at this as comparing it to lash with with Donald Mitchell, right? He like broke all his records shocked everybody. Nobody was expecting Utah to suddenly build the team around him. Now will be very very difficult for Utah to do. Whereas with the Mavericks, I do think they have the ability to do that. I think that there are a lot bigger draws in organization than we're giving them credit for I don't know how players personally feel about Cuban. But I mean, there's some evidence at the I mean chiller persons used to go to the club with him. Right. You know, what I mean like far worse owners in bigger markets that you don't want anything to do with playing. With Luca is an enormous dry. You know, players can see. That already. I think that they've been smart in the past. They've been smart with players that they've surrounded centerpieces with Texas has no income tax. It's not A or Miami. But it is a great franchise in has great fan base. There's history there that I think that normally we only give to places like Boston or LA like younger players, especially now Z the Mavericks as a good organization players are going to want to be second pieces to a team where you have a twenty year old the as the leader of team. But what types of players are going to accept that reality. And like you just mentioned there are plenty of things that could alert you alert players Mavericks at the same time. You know, maybe not not everybody might be cut out for seating to a twenty year old. Yeah. And I think a big thing is you see a lot of these guys who want to go play together is usually because they've laid those seeds like when they were twelve and a you and all these guys are. We talk about Anthony Davis. Hey, maybe he go Mike go to Boston. I don't think that's even a question of Cairo Irvine is there because those guys get along. So well, so I think that is an important part of it. We don't factor in a lot of these guys are just friends who've been playing with each other forever on the other side of things. I do think it's really interesting that the hawks have built this kind of really exciting context from if anything they traded having one star players and all the good debt and bad that come with him with having like just endless opportunity, and it's it's a weird balance because like Luca on one hand provides you just a cornerstone they can go forward with and like you just put the right guys around him. And all of a sudden you have a title contender for the next decade. The on the other hand, you have all these different pieces. But like, you don't have the one piece. And so wondering like would you rather have the one and nothing else or would you just have everything else? But not the one I think definitely the one because we have right now with the hawks, I think not best-case scenario worst-case scenario, but right in the middle. Is like young clippers right now. Where do you think about the best franchise in how many years, you know, arguably the best team in history grew from the ground up drafted Steph curry drafted Klay Thompson, you know, what? I mean. Like, I think that getting someone in young and figuring out what to do around it with someone who's as talented as Luca like is one hundred out of one hundred times the answer your it's hard because I always think about the leading this way. And I talk about it this way, they it is very much superstar driven and that is the key to winning getting that superstar. But I don't know there's something about the hawks that I find the learning in sense that they one of you know, like I said, I think trae young is still a TVD, but they the the groundwork is there for player too. I don't know if they'll be free agency down the line. But or for some for player to come in and become that, Don Ryan Mitchell type, you know, what I'm saying? So. Or they could just drives I on. Right. I mean, that's the thing. I was going to say is they're going to have to top ten picks most of the top ten picks. And because of the flying odds going into this draft they have even better shot at their at their I pay going in the top three or maybe even top in one. I think what if they are EMA is not necessarily the young core. But the picks they have going forward because you put like someone likes ion in with that mix then. Yeah, that's extremely attracted. I think is really interesting is that all that would have existed for the hawks. If and they could have just had Luca like, they just didn't make the Luca trade. They could've had gone, Colin. And I believe where do they they had that pick regardless Wetering with Dallas. And then some of these other guys making the back. So they just went up have two picks in the end. It's coming crap. But again, Luca kind of turns out because he's been SOGA. So I do wonder if you ask them, you know, on like truth serum or something with. Listen trae, regardless of all the kind of good and bad. He's had up and down this year. You know, his the migos stamp of approval. And that's really something. You can't put a price on. We're gonna take another really quick break. And then we're gonna go and talk about mellow once and for all for the last time ever. Two thirds of guys experiencing noticeable hair loss by age thirty five most guys assume losing their hair's inevitable as they age. Some don't care some shave their head some embrace hats. But what they don't know is that there are FDA approved medications designed to stop hair loss, and even regrowed hair. That's why we're excited to partner with our sponsor Roman Roman makes it easy to get safe. FDA approved hair loss treatment, all from your phone or computer. And when you go to get Roman dot com slash ringer. 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He was playing pool and doing other things on Instagram fishing. While still being on the rockets roster. They traded him last week. The Chicago Bulls essentially just to get off his luxury tax money. Unfortunately, James Nunnelee was lost in the process. RIP James Dunaway who? Who? Yeah. So bad those I I didn't I didn't. I mean, they can just sign them again in like this. But the big question here going forward. I think is what what is left for one Carmelo Anthony. I think Kayleigh had some really strong opinions that there is the sense. I guys you still think that there's something left for this. I have a lot of pity for for players and not necessarily mellow in this exact sense. But for players who are put into a position that they are not equipped to handle. And then they are totally hated for it. The best example is awesome overs you on the clippers. I mean, I got dogged by just like the conversation about him rather than his actual, exactly. He had too many minutes. Dad was a coach like he was totally set up for to not handle the role that he was given with mellow. I mean debt be basically put it on himself. He was not willing to accept a smaller role. He made such a big deal of wanting to be a starter. Even when he got to the rockets. In the beginning. He was saying that I mean by all the way back in. Okay. See the things he was saying, we're just ridiculous. He laughed in that press conference where they asked to consider coming off the bench like look at what your buddy Dwayne Wade's doing, you know. It's okay to age. Well, and when you set that standard you probably won't I mean look at his game. But here's my argument. Mellow could still help a team in appropriately reduced role with a change of heart. I don't think he's going to have a change of heart. And that's what's such a bummer, but I could name twenty guys in the league right now that he could be more helpful than my my. My counter is more of like a pedantic sort of thing. Whereas I wonder how much of it is been willingness versus inability I do think that is a type of player win in a different era. He might not have had this sort of success that he had throughout his career. He's essentially a volume score. And while I think we diminish that a little bit more than we should. I think that that skill is just like super important. I think you could see that in the way that like guys revere him like I think that when the most of the league agrees that this guy is kind of a killer as a scorer like we should take note of that and realize that there are certain things that that pretends in like that kind of that how that helps a team that might not show up in a stash sheep, but I do wonder if that sort of game will not be able to be condensed into limited minutes in. So if you essentially comes down to the math words like if you were inefficiency but taking a lot of shots. That's fine. Because you can get points that way. But if you're doing it in fewer minutes that just means you're a bad player. Yeah. And also when especially when you're a minus on the defensive led us here, you're not bringing anything which in the playoffs gets exasperating. Yeah. The next did not do him any favors because I just let him continue playing as he had. There are other people who had similar style games who realized that they needed to tweak things to age appropriately. Whereas he stayed with the Knicks his ego state with the next first so long, even after it was not helpful that he never really changed. He was averaging thirty minutes in his time with the rockets that is insane. He's never going to help you at in that large of a role. And plus, you know, they were having a really hard time and bringing him in at that point in the season was kind of like, oh, this is our fix, and you really like can't put all of that on him. As a player as a person in personality. This is like completely as fault. He didn't wanna leave the league. Like, he he was so obsessed with his pride in with his legacy that now he is probably going to leave the league as a punchline the corner that I'm speaking of myself in this argument is that I I get why from a basketball perspective, we have to you know, kind of rag on him for not adjusting not aging, well and not like being willing to take on a role. The human side of me is like this guy had to have this sort of confidence this sort of ego thieving get to where he was in the league. And that's just a him too. Many superstars both him. Specifically, it seems like kinda like you said it continued on in New York and just build on that foundation. That already had a being like a player that was elite, you know, an elite score. And I think when you have that it's very hard to completely changed from that from like a human. Effective. And then at the same time, you know, I think that the opinion of him is not like, I I don't think it will matter in ten years like my you're like twenty one and under like, this is not what you're going to remember from below. I just don't think we're going to think about in five to ten years. We're not going to think about how it ended. We're just gonna see that mental had a bunch of points and got a lot of money and just how to be a career without a ring. And that's probably a hall of Famer. Yeah, fine. He definitely like the find Inara Ryan BA like he Dwayne Wade. Lebron all those guys that was like they were some of the most important players for over a decade. I don't think we're actually even arguing so much as like pointing out like why if it cly he isn't working, and I think to Haley's point like Houston wasn't the proper context for him to really like show whether or not he could transition into a lesser role. I do think like they had all those injuries. And all of a sudden he was playing way too many minutes. And then his defense got exposed. I would I I do think that perhaps he deserves a second chance. But I also think that one of the big things from quanson like stats based guys like John holliman back day was always that we give too much credence to reputation and guys who had done it in the past and give them too many chances when in actuality probably should be giving more chance at the guys without those names like guys like Daniel house. And I think it's really interesting that a team like Houston made that decision the big question going forward. I think is the Houston's the same team that signed Chris Paul until he's like fifty. Yeah. No. I think you still need stars. But like the guys the filth roster like giving the James none ways. Like well. I think chances looking to people who are established he can pull it off obviously Christmas still good level, but they are going to be paying for him. And while into the contract itself is bad Chris Paul's production, when healthy is still very I think that would be the distinction. This is Joe Harris league now. It's not a matter. What it is. I love my bearded brethren. Do we see any team that you guys would want kind of tickets? The laker. No, well, that seems like the most likely outcome. Here bought grades or contact to save a team. I would really like to see him in San Antonio. Yeah. That's a good because they are a team that has a really good system. Obviously Popovich, I don't know if pop could survive, but I do think that. The way they've catered their system to their starters as in Dhamar in the markets in the mid range. And then their bench has more of the three point oriented guys. I think could make mellow valuable in some way in just the way that utilize the mid range at do think. It's interesting that Santoni is the litmus test. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, if you could survive in San Antonio here, you're okay in our books and say I want to see. Son, Dennis Smith junior. They're all all the outcasts. I think he would be interesting in a couple places. I think Portland is one team that like like talked about maybe adding him before he went to the thunder. I think that's the type of move Portland can make and say that we tried to shake something up without actually trading CJ McCollum, which we wouldn't want to happen because then CJ will just sub tweet the ringer again. I think that would be interesting, I think and then Golden State Warriors. I think just Adam throw him in there. And then I think it's just like every we have five stars when I love guys with with reputation. Yes. That's the theme of this episode Haley, we put that as the show title these fucking off. And that would be fun. I mean, that'd be fun from like a attention in like just. But but but think about it. They have nothing to lose. Right. And it would be the most his minutes is taking. I mean, just put him on the bed and just have them hang out with lying out. Actually, I do want him to go to as we can finally get that ring got to put on it. All right. That's it for this episode of proof chat. Enjoy the all star voting, and we will talk to you next week basketball is very good. Carrie?

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