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"The believe we are your in. I see hi guys I think. Yeah what's up everybody? Hello Hey guys were here. We're actually punctual or at nine. Am This is it. We're we're really doing this actually message me early. This morning was like hey. Let's let's get even earlier and I'm like yes. This is anti-filipino time. Just ten old fashioned. Yesterday I don't know if I can. Yes we have actually. Who Do we have with US right now? So we have my accounting firm I Bailey and we have we have a lot of amazing panelists At our disposal this morning guys and this is such a treat. I had messaged my accountant. Scott and I had said you know I have a facebook group of startup dots and a lot of us are just. We don't know we don't know a lot of things we're learning from each other and from our community and it would be amazing if you could do a live for us and Scott like what. What do you want me talk about? It was like well I'm pretty sure we all are going to be grateful for whatever knowledge you're going to impart on us today. But they of course their firm did even better and they. They have a have a list of questions they had gathered and worked on so without further. Ado You guys were going to. I am people are joining us now. we're going to let them speak but feel free to type in your questions and as they come in when it's a good time to interrupt what they are discussing we're going to. We're going to start asking your questions to them so that we can help. Direct is conversation. So I'll kick it off so links Ashley for the invite We're excited to be here in a resource for you all. So I'm Scott Haverman. As Ashley mentioned we serve a number of dentists throughout the country and try to be a resource for them in a sounding board as they're going through this process right now it is. It is something that's pretty unknown. Not only to you as younger dentists but I think some of the more mature a business owners out there that have been out practicing Weiss joining me on the call today when she went actually mentioned a lot people I thought. Let's get some rockstars within our firm or firms at a pretty pretty big place in. We have some some really cool talent on board. Adam sweet. He are passed through experts. So knows anything everything about escorts Arner ships opportunity zones as sounding board Deep Technical questions about sought somebody Also Mel Schwartz. He he's actually in the DC area and our legislative ear on the ground and is pretty in tune was going on between Senate and Congress. Right now battling. This is new village. Panic. I'm out to help everybody out there in the community and economy that Deke. From all the layoffs we've been experiencing an just slowdowns in business or absolute shutdowns for the time being of business and so he'll have some good insight to share but kickoff to add him. I still talk about The due dates payment dates that are be extended In some of those other items that just came out a couple of days ago. Mel will be talking about the family. Medical Leave Act passed a couple couple days ago as well You know who does that? Apply to our dentists excluded. Is there a certain threshold? Get the over to be apple for so we'll just we'll kick it often and ended with us and talking points about. What can you do right? Now where taft ethical items e really. Focus on to keep yourself. Obviously you know ready to go when the dust clears end and will Will Open up for questions if you have questions still read to them our way so go ahead. I'm taking Thanks thanks got out so yeah. It's got mentioned. I'm part of Bailey's national tax office. I sit in spokane but I'm a resource for the whole firm so do a lot of work with Scott really over the last couple of years with Dennis specifically working with some of the DSL organizations one ninety nine planning and so forth so talk a little today on what's happened over the last of weeks in terms of tax filing deadlines. I think one big caveat I'd say is the bill right now being discussed in the Senate could materially change everything at least what everything that. I'm talking about so I'll give what we know. So far then also. Probably put a caveat every single time about what could change so what we know right now is our traditional tax filing deadline which is April fifteenth which is for individuals April fifteenth is also the final payment deadline if you owe any tax from two thousand nineteen April fifteenth is also the first quarter deadline for estimated tax payments for two thousand twenty or anyone a conductor practicing an S. corporation or a partnership your estimated first-quarter estimated payments would normally be due April fifteenth. Two Thousand Twenty. Those dates are all officially pushed back right now until July fifteenth so if yo any tax for the two thousand nineteen tax year your first quarter estimated tax payment as well as the due date for your individual or any tax return the due on April fifteenth bad has pushed back until July fifteenth practically. What are we recommend with that? I think we still recommend getting your return done to figure out one. If you're entitled to a refund certainly file that as quickly as possible. There's no delay on the refund. You don't have to wait a claim a refund until July fifteenth. If you're entitled the Money Today File that tax return and get that refund today secondly if it ends up that you all money does I mean you have to pay it you can. You can file a return. Doesn't mean have to pay the tax at least by completing the return? You can now plan for that if you owe money you can plan for that now. The the big caveat here is what the Senate is talking about this morning or was talking about yesterday. Talking about this morning is potentially pushing nat date back until October fifteenth and perhaps even farther so we may hear in the next day or two that the due date for tax returns the due date for first quarter estimated payments the due date for second quarter estimated payments for two thousand twenty. All of that is pushed back until October are essentially later date so that. That's the big caveat. I put their way for sure have until July fifteenth. I should've mentioned it's not only first quarter estimated payments but also second quarter estimated estimated payments for two thousand twenty are both due July fifteenth currently. But it's seems very likely that that we'll all get pushed back until the fall and there's even talk about some of the components. The Self Employment Tax component some of the other tax some of the other payment components to the to the estimated payments may be spread out even over a couple years so it could become more generous for taxpayers. So wait and see what we don't know yet is. How does this work? If you filed an extension to file your tax return already. So if you filed an entity extension to file in September or an individual extension to file in the fall do those deadlines all get pushed back. We don't know yet. We expect to have guidance from the IRS. And how that works but we just don't know now same thing for other tax filings. You know to the extent that know anyone here. If if they're doing any estate planning gift tax is all kinds of other tax returns that Come do around this time. And we do not know yet whether those automatically have been extended where the irs knows the Treasury Department knows that these questions are out there certainly all. The industry groups are counting down the door on Capitol Hill. Right now saying we need answers and all this so we'd expect to see it over the next couple of weeks so stay tuned there and then the other one. That's been so as long as we know. The federal is extended right now but pay attention to states California's mentioned in their deferred it before federal whatever state Make sure you're aware of any kind of Extensions there too so not everyone following suit with federal. It's a good point in the states are always laggards. Obviously the states don't have the same resources that DC has since so they're always laggards to an extent so hopefully all follow suit. And then the other thing I'd say is I don't know how much of this affects people out there but there are also discussing. There were many maybe taxpayer unfriendly provision as part of tax reform. That was passed a couple years ago. There were limits placed on interested actions on loss limitations loss utilizations. There's talk right now about scaling back. At least for a couple of years and that may allow people to amend returns that have already been filed and perhaps to generate refunds there that Presently known would be expecting so also stay tuned to that. We don't nothing official. That's part of the Senate bill up there but definitely once we know once we have a bill passed this week and we know how those provisions have been addressed to meet with your tax advisor. Scott or someone else and there may be ways to generate a refund where you weren't expecting it otherwise have any questions it's just. There's a lot uncertain still right now. We know we have until July fifteenth. But it's very likely almost maybe even certainty that we're going to have that date pushed way back into the fall in so we'll just we'll wait and see some some questions. I've gotten in. We haven't early. I haven't seen any clear guidance. Yet of if you have your own practice or other retirement plans. What are the due dates for those? Is it really able to visit October? Fifteenth What date does this change to? Or maybe as it even two hundred twenty one. So that's that hasn't been written down yet so correct eighteen there yet. Hsa Health Savings Account IRA. All of those deadlines no one knows you would expect. Perhaps that those dates will get pushed back but we have no confirmation yet from the service or from the Treasury Department on all of those things. But I would expect all of that to an extent the Treasury Department the IRS are waiting to see what Congress does because every time the irs puts out something. Congress is going to pass a bill that could change everything so It's just everything very quickly moving But I would expect. We'll have answers to many of those things over the next couple of weeks. Adam this is mel. Do you have Have any word on what this is going to do. With regard to employment tax deposits. Is that included in the extinction at all? So it does self employment tax would be would be part of the your estimated payments slow. I'm a self employed individual at I. Bailey for instance And I think that's bad is part of the extension so your estimated payments that would be April fifteenth and June fifteenth. Those are included in the pushback until July fifteenth. And I think one of the questions that still is out there is where ultimately we may land with regard to Employment Tax Social Security Tax Medicare tax for those employees that were able to keep on on the payroll or for that matter that have been on the payroll and so bad at this point. I think there is no indication that that has been extended but it is something where Deposits clearly could be pushed back as part of the legislation that we're looking at in the in the Senate The IRS has some issues with trying to do anything on their own with that So this probably is something that does require congressional action. Okay so we do have quite a bit of questions. Right now. Let me. Can I ask a couple of really fast and then let me see if it covers editor? Probably NOT YEAH. Yup absolutely okay. So from Christie Amens diller. She said what are financial options for ten? Ninety nine cents. I have a personal LLC. So she's received so she's a person so she's a sole proprietor. It sounds like and is issuing ten issuing Scott Mellon looking to you as well. What's what's the financial questions. Yeah he's asking for trying to read these things. Yes what if model natural options for ten thousand nine dentists ninety nine would have already been issued as as of January thirtieth whether if she's receiving them I'm assuming she must be get paid. She received the ten ninety nine. So she i. I'm guessing here and if I'm off on this please submit a follow up question but so I'm assuming she's a dentist. She's received ten ninety nine for income for services performed in two thousand Nineteen Meller. Scott if you think I'm off feel free probably received us at I nine the one thing you wanna you WanNa make sure the return filed or at least prepared as soon as possible. Maybe not filed this time but just know your tax liability could be and could change with legislations down the Pike and if you're CPA as Preparing Yourself Tax Software providers out. There they have nothing that's updated yet so it could or could be inaccurate tax return. But you want to prepare it right. Now as current legislation stands in. See where you land. What can you do to defer those taxes on? Is this bill passes when mel? Let's US know the firm all the updates there in that bill can help you out for nineteen and going forward or even previously in prior years for two thousand eighteen and earlier Adam Kinda lead to earlier on that also. I think just getting things. Squared up right now for the future is probably your best your best playing night him because it'll set the stage both for I. I probably should have just explained to set the stage. Both for you get your turn together not only tax for nineteen. Then you'll also know what payments you need to start making for two thousand twenty estimated tax payments. So there's two things there that you won't have to pay either of those as of April fifteenth but the Scots. When you get those together you'll know those two amounts or get a refund which would be even better and you can start planning for those things As we moved two thousand twenty or there might be a miracle within Congress. Mel Shot down yesterday. Maybe dentists can be eligible for that twenty percent deduction we'll we'll wait and see actually gotcha. Okay Now the question by Gaming Gray Bell said I put a put a guide together to help people completed the SBA loan process. Are you hearing that you must have your bank? Reject a a LLC increased prior to being eligible. So I then suggested all my clients apply for this SBA emergency funding I haven't heard the details of banks rejecting or or talking about their current debts. Obviously we need to know about your current debts and assets and so forth in and they're going to have more questions for you but having urging all my clients at least apply. See what you're approved for either giving loans for up to two million dollars to the businesses but it could be approved for less. The rates are pretty darn low. Three point seven five percent. I think it's spread over thirty years and the payments. Don't start for about a year so if anything apply for it is a great source of funding right now when things are obviously shutdown but also when you start back up your it'd be extremely busy at higher Air Moving longer hours Anna Khalil's during it again so I think it's going to be pretty important to get additional funding right now Before things back up in that area to where the Senate bill. That's moving along. There could be material changes to that as well. Germs liquidity our loans provided to small businesses could be even beyond what the Va's doing uh Scott is are you referring to the section seven eight loan? Is this a different program within small? It's it's been the I've only seen the line of credit in the loans. The with the bridge component released. Which other ones out there. Are You referencing? Well I think that any. It's what Adam was referring to and we'll get into this. I think as we moved into the discussion of the the legislation. That's gone on the on the hill. There is a significant part of the proposal on the Senate side is a loan facility for small businesses which would provide a loan of up to two hundred and fifty percent of your of monthly payroll and that then the key element there is that loan would be forgiven to the extent that you can show ultimately that you use the money for payroll purposes to pay your rent. I think there's one other element that that maybe in all of their. But you did something other than just put it in your pocket And that is what we don't know at this point is how that is going to interact with seventy program. That is already out there but I certainly would not see any downside to having the application process Going and the hope would be that anything that we do. Now with regard to an application can then be moved over because I think that is one of the elements on the Senate bill. That were fairly confident is likely to likely to pass that is. There's good support on both sides of the aisle for that one and that is really. I think going to be this. New Legislations response to The original earlier. Bill as to how we're going to benefit employers allow employers to keep employees. Michael Vinnie maybe other tax questions of tax questions. We could probably turn it to mel because I people probably jumping ahead. It's probably going to cover a lot of what miniatures tax questions. We could handle them now. But otherwise maybe over donell so of tax questions come in then I'll towards analysts and then right now it's continuing with Mel. Okay very good. Well thank you Mike and what we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA talk about. Today is mostly the Families I builds it was as Adema indicated was passed at the end of last week And this is the one that the basic theory behind. This bill was to require employers to provide paid leave paid sick leave to their employees and also to expand an require paid family. Leave in certain circumstances in there for some fairly technical rules that apply to all of this. The goal was to say okay. You employ your pay the money now and we will give you a credit sometime in the future that will make you whole now And I think they probably have really succeeded in that. The problem is it. Leaves a time gap between the time that you have to make these payments to your employees and the time that you get the benefit of the money back so. I think that the dental field is going to be a particularly interesting here because there are some exceptions in the legislation that potentially take the field almost completely out of this although not entirely and certainly to the extent that you do have employees. You are continuing employees on during these hard times. Then it's something that I think we're all going to need to be aware of and we're going to need to be prepared to deal with going into a few the details. This applies to employers the have less than five hundred employees. I'M GONNA assume that's pretty much everyone here who is on the on the and what you're required to provide our ten days of mandatory sick leave in that's limited to an amount of five hundred and eleven dollars today if the season that they qualify for mandatory sick leave is the subject quarantine. They've been given an isolation order they've been told by a healthcare provider that they need to self quarantine or they're experiencing corona virus symptoms and are in the process of actually seeking medical attention medical diagnosis. There is a second set of reasons why you may be required to provide the the The sick leave and that is one. They're taking care of somebody who meets one of those first three qualifications or this is the fairly big one. They cannot go to work. And I've got to say all of these apply to situations where you get the employee and not go to work and cannot tell a work because if they can work from home they are not eligible for war the kind of coverage that's provided in this legislation if however they cannot work they cannot tell a war because they have to take care of a child. A SON OR DAUGHTER. Who's school has been closed? Who no longer have access to their daycare facility or their daycare provider. It's been told that they've got it or they need to go southport. Then that Employee is eligible for this paid sick. Leave THERE. It's a reduced amount. It's two hundred dollars per day. Maximum those are maximums. The five hundred eleven and the two hundred dollars a day are maximums if what you would normally pay them for a normal day is less than that obviously you only have AIDS lesser amount. They're a part time employee. A you figure they're part time number however the fact that they are a part time employ doesn't mean that they aren't eligible for perhaps they reduced payment but are still eligible for this paid sick leave under the legislation again. You pay now you get the money back through a tax credit that will apply somewhere later along program now a particular particularly applicable to this group. An employer can exclude a healthcare provider from this provision. Okay what's that healthcare provider and here we run into the first of our definitional problems which is healthcare provider was the legislation defines it with a reference back to older statutes and that older statute essentially says a healthcare provider is a medical doctor. Licensed medical doctor. Plus anyone else's secretary of Labor says is a healthcare. What head. How broad does that get? Generally it is that. There's plenty of precedent for the idea. That dentists. Ira proctors most of the people that you would associate dental surgeons a nurse that would assist in dental surgery clearly. Meet the healthcare provider list. There is some question s to whether a dental hygienist that is not trained in order trained specifically to assist with regard to dental surgery would fall into that category clearly somebody who works in the Front Office of a dental practice. The does the billing. That's does the point that does non medical things clearly is not going to be treated as a healthcare provider But unfortunately I think that is one of the ones that is. We're going to have to wait and see in detail exactly how this is going to be judged. Now what do we do in the meantime well? Fortunately or unfortunately depending upon whether you're the employer or the employee It appears that these provisions do not come into effect until April second. There was a fifteen day delayed for guidance to be published and accordingly. It certainly looks like they will not be effective. The requirement makes a payment will not be effective until the guidance issued in probably not until April the second itself one other item to mention with regard to the page paid. Sick leave is if you have in your policies provided personal time off paid sick leave yourself. You cannot count the sick. Leave that you're required to provide under these this new legislation against that paid time off or against that paid sick leave. They get this these two weeks in addition to whatever they were entitled to under your existing policies now typically. They will stack this so that they use the paid time off for the mandatory paid time all first and then whatever they were entitled to under Your Program but that is not required in there may be circumstances where it would be to their advantage to flip that order. They are the ones. The employee is the one who gets to decide what order this is going to be. Be Done it Questions obviously have arisen. Okay if I decide I am subject to this. How do I manage this? What sort of information do I have need in order to establish this again? We are awaiting further guidance but the indications that we have so far is that they one where the applies they meet one of the standards. They can take the day off by day two. They have to give you some form of indication that they are invoking their right to paid leave or EXP- least explain to you why they meet one of these qualifications early indications from the Department of Labor and the Treasury are they're going to be very liberal in protecting the employee. You're if they take the employees work for although one wants to be careful about things that may obviously not be Not Be above board second piece. Let's move on to the expanded family. Leave this is a much more limited scope of the provisions but potentially significantly more expensive because this strictly applies to situations where the employee cannot come to work cannot tell work because they have to take care of a son or daughter who school has been closed who had who's daycare center has been closed or WHO's daycare provider. That includes grandma has been told that they'd he'd go self quarantine. In these circumstances. That employee is technically entitled to paid leave of up to twelve weeks. And here it's again. It's the same calculation of what their daily pay would be. Would here is again. The two hundred dollars per day limit that would apply. Excuse me sorry I missed eight that the normal payment would be two thirds of their normal payment again subject to a two hundred dollar APP and once again. Healthcare providers can be excluded. And this is a gin a situation where we are waiting to hear what the definition of healthcare provider is going A. I will be extremely surprised if you inists Are Not included. That's a double negative action. Say we think that Dennis will be treated as healthcare providers as to as we move down though in the ranks of people who may be working in your office. That's a little less clear now. There is a twist with regard to this extended aid family leave and that is for employers with less than fifty employees secretary of. Labor is allowed to exclude those employers from this requirement if he determines that including them requiring them to make this payment would jeopardize the viability of the business as a going concern. How is that going to be determined again? We're waiting to hear from the Department of Labor. Certainly the hope is that some standards will be published. Let you can look to. In these circumstances. The hope is that it will not require some sort individual application but until we get that guidance. We're just GONNA have to wait and see it certainly makes sense for him to provide some standards because I don't think they want to Be Processing the million of applications that there otherwise likely to get up but again we have to have to see how this ultimately plays out. I mentioned that at the beginning. The idea is you as an employer. Make these payments and then you get the money back through a credit under the how under the legislation that has enacted you take that payment. I against our that credit I against the amount of your share of the holiest the the social security part of your payroll. And here's me your your payroll taxes that at least at this point you are required to deposit on April thirtieth to the extent your credit exceeds the amount that you owe on April thirtieth. Then you there spoke. There will be a form that is established by the IRS. That you send in along with it and that ultimately should get you the irs to issue a check for the difference. The goal why say is to fully compensate the employee. You're for the cost. They in her problem. That employers are running into is they're not gonNA compensate you exactly the same time there's going to be a lag and your effectively. GonNa have to finance this in the meantime now Michael. Do you have something that we need to come in on up. Nope sorry okay but I guess so. This is a very very active topic of discussion right now amongst I think The I think the majority of us want to know if we if we have already furloughed or laid off our team members. Does this still apply to us if it's not in effect until April second or understanding? Is that it does not. This applies to employ ease. As of April second it is conceivable that it employed applies to employees before that. But that's not the way that legislation is written. I think it would be very difficult to be interpreted that way. And so consequently I think that if it really is if you do not have any employees as of April second then you are not subject to these rules. Another piece of the legislation is intended to provide some monies to beef up the unemployment system. The bill that is being considered in the Senate right now includes significant additional money B. up unemployment system and Those informer employees Have been sent into the unemployment lines and the fact that you may hire them back once things settle down does not appear to change the fact that at least as of the Magic Day. They are not your employees. Are there some other questions about what we're talking about here? That that you want me to deal with Ashley or should we go back to let me. Just go back for a minute. I did because we're talking about the credit and this is how we get our money back if we're required to make any payments of and the credit is not just for the amount of the cash that you may have paid to this your employees it also includes a pro rata share of any healthcare costs that you're paying for the employees through healthcare plan. It also includes the Medicare tease of the payroll tax. That is assessed to you as an employer so I think they really have made a reasonable attempt to include the cost that you're incurring other than the time value of money the need to perhaps go out and borrow additional funds if you can find a bank loan them to you to carry you through this period Now Adam and did mention Adams about both mentioned legislation on the Senate side the Senate side is going to try and take this a step farther by actually making loans available immediately ultimate repayment of which is conditioned upon retaining employees That is Appears fairly well settled. That will ultimately be included in the legislation. They're arguing about some other things right now but there is strong. Bipartisan support. That was put together by one senator from the Republican side and one senator from the Democratic side both of which have significant leadership positions And so we expect that to ultimately be available in addition to the The the credit refunding the thank now I guess one additional thing that is worth noting before we just completely turn it over to questions and that is for those of you who are filing self employed You to qualify for essentially paying yourself paid sick leave if you qualify for the paid sick leave or extended family if you but what otherwise. If you were an employee would qualify for those the you don't actually pay yourself but you are allowed to claim a credit and this is unfortunately going to have to come against your income tax which is conceivably not do until sometime in twenty twenty one But you would be allowed to claim a credit against your self employment taxes for the same amount that the employer would have been allowed to claim as a credit with regard to an employee. So there's something here for self employed as well we'll lead a few more details before Scott can do the actual calculation for you but that is definitely part of the package and should ultimately if not in a timely manner should ultimately be something that We can see to get the get the money back and let me turn that now. Back to to to Mike into Ashley O'Connor see what questions so we may need to answer. So do you ask a question I actually and yes? So what's the best? What would you recommend to your client? Ducks than right. Now should a let let their employees go? Should they lay them off or and have them collect unemployment or keep them on payroll and hope the government gives us back the money or hope the Bazooka Bill will get passed the That I think really is a is a question and Scott. I'd like for you to Chime in on this as well. I really think that is a question of the relationship with you and your employees I would not let the tax tail wag the dog. I think that you we at some point. Life is going to get back to normal and those may well be employees that you truly valued if you can keep them on the payroll. There's a lot to be said for keeping them on the payroll even if it requires you to make these payments on the other hand It may be that if you're not in a position to continue to make the payments than getting them onto the unemployment rolls where they can get access to at least they reduced them out of cash Maybe the most advantage advantage Lincoln. It Scott what do you think is I think that some good information? Mel depends on a lot of factors. In what state are you in? How long have you closed? As far as heard organs closed until mid June Florida. May so it really depends on the state you country that you're in and then taking a look at your burn rate you know how. How many months can you go after? You've already negotiated landlords lenders Other vendors out there to negotiate a holiday or a deferral for the team as you're what you're burning V. I'm can you support those employees wages. Maybe think about Potential Payroll I think those are out across the board to for number of industry so I think you gotTa have those those Those deeper analysis into your financials are how many months tonight go with. Just keeping the company going for and There is uncertainty. How long is this GONNA last for? How long are the loss is closed? Alec we make it work so there's not gonna be straight answer it's GonNa take some analysis by To confirm that you you have enough cash in the bank to keep going she. Actually another question is if we paid ourselves. Are we supposed to apply for unemployment? So if you've paid yourself Previously W owner. From what I understand. Thank you can because you are an employee that really comes down to a question with your state. Unemployment Office on confirmed that with them. War Maybe Employment Law Attorney. That's I think that's GonNa be a question to look into it further. Be Go ahead on one thing. It's GonNa be the you know those of you organize corporations that's probably where you know. Potentially the yawn the opportunity to do that. Because you're going to be an employee and shareholder so when I looked last week I think it is possible under certain circumstances. If you're you're an employee of your business if it's the s corporation that you can be eligible for unemployment benefits if not if you're a sole proprietorship like we had the question on the ten ninety nine dentists you know unfortunately I you can't be an employee. Same thing with partnership can't be an employee so may be and I don't know how prevalent the S. Corporation Forum is but that's probably where you'd see the issue are the opportunity one or the other recommendations Implements pretty low in most states within Colorado's fifty sixty percent of your own a couple of hundred bucks a week. So if you can float your payroll which I'm hoping most people after can do your own payroll and you fall into the one of these one. These buckets mel was talking about Did you do the paid family? Leave that way. Now the government will pay you later on down the road for for meeting some of those qualifications so that might be something to look at rather than unemployment for you as a business owner one issue. I think that we need to come back. And point out you do have to meet one of the six specific standards in order to qualify for the either pay medical leave For the extended family leave or as a self employed individual for the equivalent up. It is by no means. Clear that the state dental board telling you you should not be servicing anything except for emergency patients will be sufficient to qualify you. It wretchedly require. Somebody requires me to be quarantined to be told you need to self quarantine or to meet one of the other standards now. A lot of people probably can't use the. I gotTa look after my kids standard in a look after my kids. I can't come into the office. Anna can't very well do. I can't do dentistry by teller. But that is something that potentially does raise a question because You've got a very different cash situation. If you think well I may be able to pay him now and I pay them under these new provisions. Maybe I can get the equivalent of that money back around the end of April Versus no I don't qualify under these and there is not going to be a credit Either on my self employment tax or against my OASDI tax cut coming back. And that's a I think an unfortunate factor that comes out particularly for professional like this In connection with the With the legislation. Now I'll come back. We talked about the idea that an employer can choose to exclude medical professionals From these from these rules That doesn't mean he had the employer has to So the fact that you are an employee let's say a larger dental practice They're not required to they're not required to refuse to pay you If in fact it is a situation where you as the operator of the larger practice or you can convince were the operator of the larger practice squad Ryan qualify you then potentially that may be possible And allow them to then get the credit claim back and try and be wholesome around the NFL. Grouchy grant you okay okay. There's a question an escort if you show a loss after all deductions depreciation tax credits etc. Were those losses be carried over to future tax returns so go ahead? Scott with an S. corporation. You have what's called basis so amount of capital that you can check business or left in the business and also maybe at lone into the business so if you have losses for two thousand nineteen or twenty you can offset other sources of your income. Your wages you big yourself through the practice Another dental source of income that are not related to your business so rules are and that's kind of a high level overview of what you can use the off set at with that loss but potentially there could be some flexibility with carrying back that loss two previous years with legislation's being kicked around in Congress right now. Nick. Meller talked about earlier today. So we might be able to use that loss if it exceeds your other sorts of income on your taxes to carry that back. Get you a refund. From some of those prior years the losses would be claimed on your personal return. If you can I mean they'll flow from Personal return and then there were some restrictions from tax reform on use of losses. But we're hoping to Scott's point in to what I talked about earlier. Those may be freed up and so your loss may produce essentially a refund. Wait-and-see Gosh Gosh okay awesome. Actually you got another question. Mute on Mute Mute. That's how my husband hears me when I talk. No missions guys. How do we choose? Which cause we are almost out of time. It's obvious that an hour is not enough for all of this stuff You guys have a Webinar that your firm is hosting tomorrow morning correct and that is free. I posted it in a link a couple days ago. Search FOR THAT IF NOT IN. Scott will you give me the link again and I'd be happy to share that because I think that will be a more comprehensive Do you see Michael. Do you see one that you Okay so there's a lot of the same a lot of questions but they ask us to elaborate. Like for example. What happens if we are self employed in part W. Two? Can you elaborate? How the credit works for the sick leave paid family leave out of the escort. Meld that one. Yeah I'll try. I'll try and take that one of the. I think you have to approach them. Almost as two separate positions if you are both a part of the part of the time that you work as an employee and part of the time you work is a self employed person and this is by no means unknown. I think actually the office dental office. I go to as a dentist. Who has that type of arrangement I think that you you can't? You can't claim both you can't get two weeks of paid sick leave for your ten ninety nine. Earth for the self employed ten ninety nine practice and then another two weeks for the W. Two piece. I think you you clearly are limited in that regard but for a day in which you are not able to go to work because you've been told quarantine whatever the circumstances may be. I think you effectively look at being a part time employees in both worlds and eligible for the W. Two portion on a payment there and then also eligible to claim the credit as effectively. A part time self employed person I would certainly file it that way and if somebody complained within thank you son thank smell. I have a question many of us I mean. I'm pretty sure at this point. The majority of us are closed and seeing emergencies. Only so if we have our employees. Let's say we don't want to lay them off. And we have a lot of systems that we want to start incorporating offices or we want our team members to do online training or watch sees so that when we are backing up and running. Everyone is really efficient. is how would you compensate those employees who were making a certain wage as a clinical person and now we have them doing admin work like can you have a reduced wage and can they continue to a are can how will that affect their unemployment benefits which are already not much to begin with because that was one of the questions might see members had again? You're I think we're getting into some. It's going to vary by state. And it's going to vary depending upon what the state laws are with respect to the unemployment compensation certainly unless you have a contractual obligation to continue them. At a certain rate if you pay them and reduced rate for Reduced Activities. They're still an employee And so they may be if they then were put in If they then were put in quarantine or if they then were put in or they lost childcare that would create a situation where they might be able to to claim against this on the other hand. I think in most states if the fact that you're employed that your payment has been reduced Is Not going to allow you to access the unemployment system and as to whether there are state laws that would affect your ability to give reduced pay for reduced responsibility. I'm going to have to leave that to people who are more expert in labor laws. The in Mitchell states all right awesome guys. I think that's going to do it. I think we're going to have to wrap it up right here. We have tons of questions but actually they're going to give you the link to the Webinar and everything right. Yes yes and if it's if it's okay with you gentlemen. I would like to forward your email addresses to our group so that They can maintain communication Thank you again so much for coming on with us And providing as much value and information and you guys they did this at no charge to us at no charge to you. Name it and So I hope everyone just says thank you to these gentlemen for For HELPING GUIDE US. 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On cynicism, meaning and purpose
"Okay thank you so much for joining me on another episode of public comment where I chat about philosophy and politics for critical goal creative and introspective writers the got to tell you the truth. I'm thinking about rebranding a little bit and thinking about using the term memoir thinking of saying welcome to public comment comment the memoir of Sean O'Connor something like that memoir about philosophy the politics and memoir about thinking about philosophy and politics something like that I get concerned always about branding and category categorizing things. Here's here's something to think about. What's the difference between an autobiography and Memoir was it the difference between a memoir and a personal essay and who exactly decides that was one of the things that troubled me about poetry was who exactly exactly is the definer poetry or why are they? Why is what that person says is the definition of poetry the definition of poetry? Is there something so distinct about certain more man-made handmade or human-made concepts that anybody can define them. Does that become to postmodern on the other hand. We can't live without definition on speak to each other so either either way. There's conversations we had about that today. I will be chatting chiefly about cynicism meaning and purpose. Yes it's a deep one ladies and gentlemen and perhaps emotional to a very emotional day ahead one of the most emotional days on record well now. It's on the record <hes> but penny the better way to put it was one of the most emotional days of my life. It was just one of those days where you're really thinking about cynicism meaning and purpose. I couldn't be more literal about where my mind was. So I shall begin with story. It was early in the morning and I can't tell you who I was talking to because all of my all of the characters of the folks I tell you about our anonymous unless I have permission to chat with you about them <hes> by disclosing their identities so this person I am hidings person's identity for the time being anyway. I found myself asking this individual. Would this person offer me some advice on writing. A business plan said I'm writing a business plan. I'm trying to wrap my mind around this podcast project that I'm doing and I want to really be comprehensive missive and responsible and thoughtful about what I'm doing here and this individual said what are you really writing a business plan for what purpose really and I said well. The truth is I want to demonstrate to my wife and I want to demonstrate to the people that I love that. I'm really putting thought into doing here that I had ah I told you yesterday that I was interested in what it means to bring people in to one's entrepreneurial activities and thinking and that one of the chief items items of advice I had received was that it would be advisable to create a business plan if you hadn't already and let them in on it as well as talking them through in the sense of growth and development that you've perceived so I was telling individual about that and this individual at various sort of cynical outlook look from the Gecko here <hes> has this individual begin asking me more about more specifically than what it is it. What is it that I specifically sought out to monetize and the gist of it this individual said was you know yourself your topic? You obviously smart charismatic person with a pleasing personality but you don't necessarily know other people and you have to ask yourself. Why is someone going to care about what you have to say? People don't like to part from their money. Nobody likes depart from their money wisely. I'M GONNA win apart from their mind. Someone sees his pen and pen is worth two dollars. This person wants to get the pen for a dollar fifty and the bill that they are getting it for more than it's worth. People don't like to part with their money. So why is someone going to want to part with dares to listen to you and then this person said on the other hand. If you really want to get people interested in you then you to lie or not necessarily lie just say something that's not quite true something something provocative swimming to poke at them and get their attention and said. Do you really believe that you have to lie or be deceptive essentially cheat to you get ahead and this individual said it an awful thing but yes as individuals that everybody does it. Everybody lies everybody cheats because everybody else does it and it is the only way to get eh. If you care about making money than you tell a lie or to to move on in this person cited examples in the current news media that this person believed were lives some of it <hes> don't agree with the assumptions that this individual had for example that the testimony of Dr Christine Blassie Ford last late late summer. I think it was or was at the beginning of the fall by then said that this individual said that it was this individuals belief that that testimony had been paid for and that it was you know it was a lie for or media attention and for political purpose and I thought wow that is a very cynical point of view and persons who you're half to be cynical you have to be cynical and one thing that occurred to me that struck me as I was wrapping my mind around what this person said well. One thing that I did note vote was and I believe I said something to you about his yesterday was that it did occur to me that people seem at least on the surface and I can't like stereotype appear making overgeneralization quite but it does seem that if you just listen to people that money is like supreme and overwhelming social concern these days that is to say say listen people close enough and it would seem that unless they're doing quite well and back even many if they are doing quite well seemed to have very deep concern these days for their financial wellbeing. Oh being in money even on television yesterday. I think it was <hes> on M._S._N._B._C.. Historian not Michael Beschloss the other historian <hes> His name escapes me at the moment so I apologize to him and to Y'all 'cause I was trying to give your name someone here and I couldn't remember it. I have no idea why I just broke into southern accent. It's just something on the side of the do it was entirely spontaneous. The copy is still kicking in ladies and gentlemen in fact. I'm going to take off the cap so that I can drink more of the coffee and it can faster and so can kick in faster. Enjoy my capping. Am I talking to software. I'm not talking indirectly into the Mike. It's not a big microphone so if I were to talk into the mic for those of you who are watching the video I would look like this so it's just not the Mike isn't like it's not an elevated thing. All I can really do is let's get closer to the screen is like the best I could do so I guess I'll do that then. This person said this person said you know if I were you join cooperation you pleasing personality you can talk in bake a lot of money and then I told someone else this too. I said to this other person that other person suggested I join a corporation and that person said something to the effect of be just another cog on the wheel yes the I._B._M.. The funny thing was this idea that I should just <hes> join. A Corporation would seem to the point of my entire soul. My entire purpose for being is pretty much like the opposite intention in life so you know when you get I say be mindful of the feedback people offer you because I mean on the one hand you can't be dogmatically close to it on the other hand. You can't be dogmatically open to it and when someone's advice is for you to do the opposite acidic what is truly within you in a sense of purpose well either that person right you'll be able to deem as quite full of it or misinformed some worship in some way or ask yourself are you that you do think about people what they say I guess but you also want to have some self respect and sense of resolve to this person also said something else that was very interesting. This person also said don't miss any act on what I'm saying and you could disagree with me and this person also added and I thought this was interesting as I said leadership. There's a lonely road that I thought was true. Amen leadership can be anyway. Hey Lonely road true leadership that is to say if you stand stand for something and the people around you don't stand for something and you are motivated to sort of lead in building up confidence trying to build up confidence and that would you believe then within this crowd of people in that sense you would become a leader and it would be lonely until you suddenly had <hes> one one over people's confidence to this end so there was a certain accuracy to that I do listen to people's feedback another friend of mine. They're really doubt he wouldn't mind if I shared his identity because he's a he's good with crowd Johnny Cashmere Former Wrestler Smart Guy. You urged me to make sure that I <hes> have a personality and that I'm not all opinion or all politics or <hes> all about the podcast that I have a sense of self. I don't know I I think that's easier. That's true that is to say I do want to make sure that <hes> I share with people a sense of you know just like human experience course when you're trying to make it and you've only got so much time and your sources are resources are limited in terms of moving your objectives. It's forward it. Just isn't always necessarily the case is that it's so easy to time manage anyway so there's a second story here. I was helping students. Obviously I can't tell you that student is that would actually be unethical and illegal. I can't tell you who the the professor of the student is that too would breach certain privacy rights and things of that sort. I can tell you though that this student told me that this students professor told them to write a thesis in which this person argues that art is a waste of time and I said first of all I said you know you really agree with this and the person said No. Oh this is just a bullshit S._I._M.. Writing because my professor said to do that I shook my head. You know what that that can't be. I don't know <hes> and he said well. If you're going to argue against the purpose that aren't having any purpose then you should at least let's. Let's really argue this. Let's let's bolster your arguments here and the person's had known my Professor Festival said this is pretty much just fine okay <hes> that wasn't objectively true at all but and that's no disrespect back to the student because the student if the student being honest is just telling me what student says the professor is telling the student so then we start to really read through this student's essay and a student of saying things like well first of all artists. Just don't make money so it's a waste of time there is no oh real career for an artist so it's just a waste of time artists. Don't create cures for diseases of art is just a waste of time so there's like a sort of intellectual and professional connection. I'm trying to make into the situation and there's a personal on a personal level as someone who considers himself pretty artistic you know it's like to quote Bob Dylan a corkscrew to my heart it it would be one thing certainly if this professor one of the student to really wrap the minds around the different debates for what purpose for art may or may not be but this is not an intellectual engagement with the topic Dick. This was clearly the student the student self being of understanding as conveyed to me if the student is being honest that the professor had note real investment in what the student would actually saying and that the student was just supposed to say this and the expectations beyond that were just something I can relate to. I found this extraordinarily troubling pen. I mean even to take it further. It would turn out things I've learned about how you write an essay I mean I only got three point nine eight on G._p._A.. Right so what do I know about you know essay writing classes at at least x amount of professors ninety nine point nine percent of them were happy enough with my essays to give me as so maybe they were just guessing or maybe I know something about writing essays <hes> but it would turn up everything is supposedly about it will every single time I gave it a thought. No my professor said not to do that. No no my professor said NOPD new. They're like well. Your professor just seems to be going down the road not taken here and I'm not really sure what to tell you because because honestly is not for me to offer position on what this professors. It's not for me to play the part of Dean in this case right. It's not for me to hierarchy glee speaking. I'm not in charge Arja professors. Let's put it that way <hes> credentialing speaking regardless of how much knowledge or thoughts on as I may have I don't have the credentials which enable me to necessarily have an opinion that others consider a weight in the context of the School of a group of professors who think in that way right so you know what am I to do about it except feel like wow I mean there. You've got someone who's credentialed to be a professor who would seem to me is frankly teaching nonsense again. Either that or the student is having a troubled perception option or interpretation and that I mean I wasn't able to tell you can only go on what the students telling you but supposing it's the case that this professor maybe is not really doing with this professor supposed to be doing that in a bad mood because law and they only have a bachelors degree but it would seem that you felt sort of like I could be a little bit more on track than this professor by this professor gets to call this this professor a professor get to call him or herself a professor by virtue of the pieces of paper that this person has won the opportunity to have his or her name on and you know all intellectually responsible efforts are meaningless to many institutions. If you don't have that piece of paper and what can you do you I mean that's just too bad that started making me feel very cynical too because I mean I don't necessarily have the money to go. Dive live back into academia that compete against the at nor. Do I necessarily know that it would be logical to I'm not sure that there is an encouraging prognosis for academia in the next twenty years. No disrespect look if I thought that academia was in a better direction I'd probably want to spend the rest of my life there because theoretically I love what universities are practically speaking though universities are going the other way they're hemorrhaging money and it would also appear that because they're hemorrhaging money they are written with anxious people and and <hes> standards that aren't necessarily always rational or based on your G._P._A.. Or your academic excellence or anything like that I don't mean to to my own Warner anything but I certainly gave my damn soul to academia while I was going to call it I mean I gave my damn soul and was not <hes> really recognized for that. I mean I'm not trying to like to my own horn on a narcissist but it would seem that even though I went literally above and beyond what was asked of me <hes> it's nice to be told you have a good G._p._A.. Okay and they did a good job but you know there was the respect of others and an invitation to work with them and all of that well that just ain't how it works that goes and speaking of the temptation to become a cynic. I mean there's an open door for your heartbroken by academic broke my heart. It really really did because I really really wanted to be a professor more than anything I that's what I really wanted to be as law myself as that kind of person I saw myself who at its best with somebody who could understand aesthetics understand communication and understand Dand philosophy and understand politics and understand history and understand literature. I can understand these things that I could help people fall in love with these kinds of topics and that could be of service to the community the global community by often my impassioned class discussion class discussions on these things and right right my things and that would be that simple whoa was me though I was I was a fool and I was naive and I did have my heartbroken by by that and now that I had relationships with professors that are really looked up to that. I believed viewed me as a protege. I had professors that I thought what saw in me something more than money that was flowing into the university or college that they worked for and it would <music> seem that once I was not blatantly contributing to that cause that I was suddenly just not really worth talking to anymore. Despite the fact that you know I did my studying up on these people they tell you if you wanna go and work in in academia to find the people you really want to study with and research under no what they do know it really well and understand how you can help them with that. That's exactly what I did. Sometimes I feel like it was just a waste of time. Because I spent money I spent money I didn't even necessarily have to ensure that I had access to the work of these professors and that I could analyze the hell out of it and that I have something to offer them that no one else could that I would plunge into deeper lose a little bit more sleep turned out to be a waste of my money and a waste of my time academic did not want me and it turns out to me that I don't find it very undesirable either at sad to say because I think in a more ideal world academic beautiful thing perhaps the now I see pragmatically speaking objectively speaking actually media and art and philosophy I consider as such <hes> super necessary and surpassing universities. That's sad when you think about it culturally. I don't know if it's been this way earlier in time but the evidence suggests to me that the universities have lost their clout the universities have lost the kind of respectability that they used to have the universities have lost their place as this is the part this is that these are the niches within society. Were intellectuals are welcome. The intellectuals are encouraged intellectuals. I have a home and to make this world a better place by with their best at that's not what I get out of it. I would I get out of university. Now is taking a lot of people's money from them mm-hmm. Yeah some people will be lucky enough to get a scholarship but everybody else is paying and going up the Wazoo and debt to do it and it's making a lot of people some money and I'm not even the irony is that. That <hes> professors aren't necessarily all that handsomely paid really but the system is such that you gotta keep the numbers going up and you gotta keep the money coming in and that's that and I I'm not sure how much it actually has to do with <hes> beautiful things that philosophers talk about and lovers lovers of the Academy Truth Truth Advancement of knowledge not for merely the sake of advancing knowledge solid because it's supposed to truly serve humanity make it a better place than it truly humanitarian night in theory but in practice actors and in theory I don't. I don't get that impression at all. I get the impression that it is a business fine friend of mine. I told you about earlier who did paint a picture of reality. That was a bit cynical wasn't a hundred percent wrong. There are a number of people in our society who really only care or WHO's priority at the end of the day is making enough money in this rat race to feel what it is. They need to feel that it has it. It's not just creature comforts. It's not just like the basics you know they want. They just want money money money money money at it's depressing as hell and you think back to what that student was saying saying about how art is pointless because it doesn't make money were cure diseases so to anyone who's ever had a creative impulse to anyone who's ever had the audacity to not march to the soon which they were told any to march to and that's that buck you right. That's the way it comes across. That's what the theory appears to me and I mean this student wasn't even being challenged to contemplate that really because student through the system but ever. Do you guys do to get the student to fulfill certain X._Y._Z. of criteria so that this professor can say that this professor got one more students passing. Keep this professor's job and keep the money coming. Keep the students coming in keep the money coming in money resit Bob Dylan said money doesn't talk it swears sometimes. That's the case but here's the imagine i WanNa ask you ladies and gentlemen. Here's a question ask you are. We really supposed to accept this cynicism. Are we supposed to turn cynical just because we get exposed to things that tempt us to do so. I wonder but I refuse to feel that way I wanted to it was driving home last night. Letting these things sort of swollen my mind thinking you know everything I do say it just doesn't matter because it doesn't conform to this Teradyne of wanting to fuck people out of their money so speak. It seems as if I don't don't care about money to a fault. Don't get me wrong. Obviously I want money. Obviously I ask for it but I mean I just am troubled by how motivated people people are to prize money over the thing which they really are supposed to be doing. What is it we're supposed to be doing? I guess that's that's the other everything right that comes to questions of meaning and purpose with cynicism you see comes the temptation therefore to follow that with Neil Ism I think each touches on some of this because if we go back into our philosophy books ladies and gentlemen and Think about the great philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche at mean what's going on the context context of his time when he sees that everybody is just full of power claims and religion and BS lies to try to get you to do what they want you to do so that they can control you and not Nietzsche says essentially that there is going to be if you're intellectually responsible person. There's going to be perhaps this inevitable inevitable experience of saying to quote Robin Williams fucking call you and you're going to go through like sort of like a a period of bleakness in which everything appears really to have no meaning because all the meaning that's been presented to you. Just doesn't seem to Gel doesn't doesn't seem to be right and where then do even come up with an idea of what right is supposed to mean 'cause all meaning has been <hes> obliterated but let's wrap our minds around this notion of possible cynical and new realistic reality. So what do you want to be when you grow up. Well only really what your parents say. You should do bright certain things you shouldn't do. I WANNA be a pianist. No no pianists. Don't make money sweetheart try again. I WANNA be a doctor there you go. I WANNA be philosopher. No you don't philosophers don't make money. Johny philosophers have no practical use in society don't do that. Oh okay. Oh Yeah. I shouldn't be like thinking and stuff. There's no practical use to that. Oh Okay you tell me not to do that. So I'm not GONNA do it. Look at politics one day. I want to be the president of the United States of America you you don't come from money. You don't have an Oxford education is not the nineteen forties forties anymore where your Harry Truman's didn't go to college can pull it off. Times are different now go to business school. I want to invent something that's all been invented. Well actually fear just an like cybersecurity or computer stuff than it probably in the right time and place. I don't know that people really GonNa talk of that. How dare you be anything and might accuse you of being esoteric thoughtful abstract? I WANNA be a arc curator yeah well. The competition is really stiff. I want to be a journalist well. How many internships have you had none yeah <hes>? You should probably have had to internships by now. If you really want to be in the media industry yeah yeah. I'm sorry I mean we're supposed to accept that. I've got a business idea. Got An idea yes. But what capital do you have to fund this idea of yours well. I don't I'm going to try and Zome <unk> binding investor in investor these days. It's not what you know buddy. It's who you know you don't have those kind of connections and your business ideas just not practical depressing to listen day in day out to this mantra of rejections of what is essentially the arts in the humanities really I guess you could say or even more broadly. Speaking rejection of challenging system look think about politics is often good because it's like a microcosm of like how sort of conservative gauge certain things that are going on think about the conflict between Nancy Pelosi and Alexandria Akhazia Cortes in what the significance of this is yes from one point of view by the way it could be that Akhazia Cortez. I know maybe you you accused her of picking a fight of being a little overdramatic not so thoughtful about what she's doing on the other hand. Nancy Pelosi could be a little bit too grading right but think about in the bigger picture what we're really looking at here. We're looking at Queen. Nancy on the top like seventy eight years old has been in politics for a very long time and saying this is how it is and you gotTa Kaj uh-huh Cortez sang up no. I'm not so sure this is the way it is and you've got Nancy saying yeah you and your little friends on twitter. Yeah keep telling yourself that sweetie. This is how it is. That's the world we live in. I mean I view that as like not right again. We could say what we will about. The substance of what either Nancy or is actually saying to me. That's besides the point of you actually look at the abstract picture of what's going on and that is trying to think outside the status quo is like not an easy thing to do these days minds appear to me like cemented by this accepted view of reality as dark and cynical and you're told told what you do and you don't really challenge it is it's like oh Joe. Biden is supposed to be the next nominee. He's the one that can win so what the polls say anyway I mean what are the polls right say about Donald Trump. All the polls were wrong wrong that time but we've fixed them now when we've accounted for all of that really I don't know why do we live. What's the point of all this? You know I think it's a is one of the first times where I thought that <hes> this sort of irony that actually really I've never seen philosophy being more practically necessary and then I do at this very moment in time that I'm talking to you may look at the world around me and I say is this it is is this what it's all about. Is this why live to feed the system that I reject and leave it at that is what I live for the give me for daring suggest it but not the kind of thing that might tempt someone wants to kill themselves and being serious. Why would you wanna live for something? That means nothing to you. I mean I'm not trying to be like hyperbolic or anything or say. Good things about reality. That's I'm trying to make a point that speaking. Let's say metaphysically or in your view of reality your view of Humanity Review of society your view of the way things are supposed to be your view of ethics like what is a person supposed to do. Why does a person live and if all those things which you believe you should live for are constantly being <hes> rejected then you are at a crossroads aren't you where either you give up and surrender your soul and you say fine? I quit. You're right. There is no real meaning other than that. which I am told is regardless of how objective I might be a rational or just none of that matters? Justice doesn't matter ethics doesn't Matter Truth Truth doesn't matter only the system in the arbitrary rulers of the system today and what they say only that order matters or what is it Shakespeare says well it'd be the first time in my life I think ever been compelled to quote Shakespeare. What does he say <hes> to be or not to be that is a question whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows about -rageous fortune war to take arms against the Sea of troubles and by opposing and then air question whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows about rage sportin fortune take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them to be or not to be that is the question whether Tis nobler the mind the supper the slings and Arrows of outrageous fortune to to be what does that mean to be me stem for what I believe in too? If you're an existential a-list you would say to have some say in my meeting and purpose or to be handed my meaning and purpose to be handed my meaning and purpose and just take it and lose my soul and not to be therefore but to just sort of be in a only a literal sense in a physical sense not necessarily in a spiritual sense or to be like to say these are my thoughts. These are my desires. These are my beliefs. These are my <music> motivations. This is why I get up in the morning and this is what I'm GonNa Pursue. Which one do you choose? There's a difference between being senic not being cynic. Put It in the abstract and I mean we could chew this longer and be we could have more specifics more concretes and there's more to say on this. This will not be the only time I go on about cynicism meaning purpose but I think the conversation is such that we ask ourselves to look at the world around around us and accepted as it is or do we strive to say I think it can be better and fight for our vision of what better means. And what does it mean to do that by the way some being really abstract does it necessarily have to be like either you completely surrender your soul or you are in a state of revolution as it has to be that extreme good friend of mine yesterday said whenever everything is either this or either that that this person gets uncomfortable and starts to get suspicious of that kind of clean right but for the sake of thought here in which direction do we want to go. Why do we want to go in that direction look? I'm just going to close by saying this for for the day. Maybe you live more than once. Maybe you go somewhere when you die. We don't have much evidence of that. We don't have any real evidence of that. <hes> but right metaphysically speaking physically speaking odds are this may be <hes> it may be that Yolo you only live once and in an activated state of being you have desires things means something to you and and you want to be you and the world may have disappointing weighs about it. I mean death disease violence <hes> disasters these things happen and we wonder sometimes why we are put on this earth to see things that tempt us to think at the end of the day that it's just a lot of pain unbearable right but what do you dream what gets your imagination going. What kind of hopes do you experience? Do you really want to extinguish extinguish that yeah might be disappointed again and again and again. Life is a lot of disappointment but is that the world you want to leave behind for posterity and when you look at the different kinds of improvements events we made an you how far we've come and some people think we haven't really come all that far at all that it's just as Mirage of technology or something that I find that to be a bunch of I found not to be in this characterization. More people today live better than they did three hundred years ago. The evidence suggests that meaning and purpose making this life. He's lives of ours ever better. It's that or give it up. What do you WanNa do me? I'm motivated to keep on keeping on about what I believe in because you only live once and I want to experience the joys of consciousness I want experience the joys of wrapping my minds around things I want to experience the joy of thinking experience the joy of relationships ships and I want to experience the joy of existence and hell if I've got to be a bit of a rebel to make my point if that's the kind of world we're in today fun. If that's what it's got to be frustrating sometimes and lonely sometimes yes that <hes> think about those things which humanity is fought for thus far Merican revolutions that we didn't have to answer to royalty Canaan Queen Civil Rights movement is medical advances the Internet all the things we've worked so hard for I think in my life of all all the things I've worked hard for don't want it to all be in vain. I don't want it to all been from nothing and maybe at the end of the day the universe obliterates itself offer something and everything we've ever striven for means nothing but that we can make it have meaning for at least as long as it can. I mean is that or not I just I'll leave you this. I love living in a world where proosed exists who are Montana exists where Van Gogh exists a love living in a world where there are records of people in the past who Assad <music> out so deeply what their lives net that makes this life of mine better. Thank you so much for your time obviously your thoughts and all that are cool and I wanNA know shout out as they say to my amazing wife Ashley O'Connor she asked a question. Do you think it is the liberal arts degrees in particular that are ending in less jobs and opportunities. I mean it has been known for a while that a bachelor and I think sitting didn't get fully type there. <hes> as a question <hes> is it liberal arts degree. That's troubling or as a culture more widely. That's troubling especially like in economic thing I do think that a large part of it has to do with the trouble of a liberal arts degree being that might make someone more of a generalist than is desired and a niche economy or were that there is less apparent demand necessarily for a lot of <hes> serve creative projects. Sometimes it seems unless you know the right people <hes> but I also think that we just live in a time of severe economic anxiety because jobs are going to be lost automated automated their jobs are being lost automation continue laws to automation and with <hes> mass immigration to more secularize tolerant countries or humane main countries people are now are holding on tighter to their resources and motivated to cling to things like racism and nationalism and all these kinds of of ideologies that translates their own <hes> protectiveness over their resources people own us not everybody wants to share or not. Everybody was <hes> provided in education or set up so that they could feel self confident about the resources they could themselves get in life and that's that's my perception of it so thanks guys you can always if you didn't unlike watching the video you can listen to the audio podcast. There are a lot of different ways. You can get it public comment up blogging on spotify pod bean you name it <hes>.
"Greetings Ladies and gentlemen thank you for listening to another episode of public comments a podcast devoted to philosophy the end politics four critical creative introspective thinkers today going to be talking about competition S- quite a topic when you think about it ties directly into our very culture with our democracy and our our capitalistic economy and even as we think about even if we were not capitalistic or democratic is it not a fact that one way or another in conquest for power of some sort that we tend to be bound to degrees of competition titian whether they are more uncivilized violent and anti-democratic or we try to make it as objective and democratic and capitalistic as it can so there are some questions to dress with respect to competition then is competition a good thing is competition titian inherently a bad thing. Are there aspects of competition we might be able to embrace. Is there some of the things I want to address before I do. I want to give a quick couple of shoutouts. If you will and give a special thanks to my producers I wife Ashley O'Connor and Montana's stills just because without the assistance of these two people literally this show could not be produced and this is my soul as we move second-by-second here that is existing and this is a dream come true to be able to do this. It may sound funny to you. If you're watching this live of work. You're listening to this show before it's official takeoff as Uber popular because one day will be but the truth is there could probably be nothing the thing that makes me more happier than identifying my philosophical thoughts on things really through a more of an introspective style and really tracking how ideas on philosophical things develop an evolve. That's really what I I like to do and I will be talking more about introspection in the future. I did just come across crossing interesting philosopher who teaches at the University of Arkansas. His name is Dr Jesse Butler who actually recently wrote a book called rethinking introspection M- interested in a question of introspection as a method of gaining philosophical insights and knowledge and what <hes> how our culture are signs of a value on that at this point in time and questions of what in fact we've may actually be able to glean from that but that's another time I don't really want to get into that much but I just wanted to put that out there again. Special thanks to my producers Penn also special thanks to Matthew Snow P- Bello philosopher who has really pushed me along with his encouragement and thank you through Jani Kashmir who has really served in the capacity of a marketing consultant and adviser of sorts and who's generous incites. I just it couldn't advance without and I also there's a number of gratitude that I owe and I will be opening up to through more and more about these as sort of <hes> do as sort of more more comprehensive and focused evaluation of the various roles that <hes> exist in making this podcast and WLAC possible <hes> but <hes> this this is where we're in a very public common as an very interesting period right now because it's literally in it process of launching and it's taken me quite some time to really figure out what this is is all about the story of this website you know goes back. Actually the public on our website goes back to two thousand twelve before was public comment. I think at that time it was probably Sean O'Connor literature dot com anyway <hes> more on that another time just wanted to give you sorta heads up kind of thing about that and <hes> so let's get right to it. Here's what I won't say as a sort of initial thoughts on the topic of competition that's this the more I think about it. The more I actually actually think about the concepts of honesty and self knowledge and the concept of niche marketing or niche marketing and the less I think about competition petition in general as a sort of prominent unnecessary exercise in our lives so I don't do away with it as a value per se though I think it's we've got to have some conversation about exactly the role that competition ought to klay for us. What do I say all of this well? We'll give you a really good concrete example. which is the current Democratic primary refer the presidential election twenty twenty <hes> how many people are running for president right now ten thousand you're running? I'm running. Our parents are running right. Just kidding. I'm I'm not a funny person. uh-huh actually the truth is the joke goes back to my friend. Mark Lewis who told me that he was running for president. Gullible Sean was like are you really any lap and he said No. Oh but isn't that what everybody's doing now because we have like twenty five I think <hes> officially recognized or widely recognized candidates in the Democratic primary and now one of the things you hearing from people balls at it's like an overwhelming issue where it's just I know a lot of people have expressed to me feel. It's too many people so we've got this really widespread intense crowded competition mission for president. It's a really good symbol of how deeply competitive our culture is at this time. We live in very competitive times. I know because says I applied to go to school for creative writing and that turned out to be quite a big mistake. <hes> it was too competitive clearly and I lost out in the competition is but it is as they say but it's something that I've had to therefore wrap my mind around. Why did I lose in the competition and what is my my assessment of this competition that I participated in? I've also competed three times for political office so you know unexperienced in rather aggressive acts of competition not athletic though and as a podcast her the competition is overwhelming all you have to do is go to podcasting platform and look at the over inundation of potential attention podcasts looking music look at your net flex. Its people are competing. You'd go to the bookstore. Actually not we're at Princeton yesterday. Remember walking by labyrinth books and just the near experience of looking at the tables tables outside. Were there showcasing some of the books deals on you couldn't possibly by I mean unless you're Super Ridge or you're not gonNA buy every single one of those books but they're all competing competing for your money and maybe a large number of them are valid books that are worthy of time <hes> but they must compete for your dollar. If you're even interested did in a book perhaps you would rather consume your media another way through podcast or maybe you prefer movies or T._v.. Or <hes> Sadako I I don't know but competition exists listen all different aspects of our lives but we're we live in very competitive times right now so what I bring up honesty and the niche concept as things that we want to perhaps put next to abstractly as in our contemplacion's next to competition. Here's a really good example Pete Buddha Judge Mayor Peop- brutish who says let's say from the Gecko that I like Mayor Pete. I think that intellectually speaking he's one of the top tier candidates actually I alike in a lot and think that he would certainly not ultimately serve as probably the worst president we could possibly have consider him. I think he's on my top five so he's he's up out there. Here's the thing though and I've expressed this to you before I have concerns about Pete Buddha judge especially as concerns his qualify his experience in how that impacts the degree to exactly what she is qualified. I mean context context is important here. If Donald Trump were not the alternative to Democratic candidate the fact is that I might be much less generous towards people and I'm not saying that as an age ages it's not so much how old he is that is a factor and he's only thirty eight. I'm thirty one. No I'm thirty to thirty three. Oh my God oh my God. I'm thirty three years old. You ever have that kind of moment where you're like. Oh my God I am aging and I don't even realize I'm aging Madonna said as time goes by so slowly. That's a bunch of B._S.. Sometimes isn't it time goes by slowly when you're not having fun time goes faster than having fun right the expression there some truth to that but here's a question for you if Pete Buddhis- was a little bit more honest with himself and perhaps less disingenuous. Wouldn't it be that he would think to himself well in fact and really not all that experienced. I may may understand intellectually a lot of the important policy questions and I might even know quite a bit about politics but in fact I'm really not all of that experienced in the game of politics six. Maybe at this point in time it might actually be irrational to run for president exactly why he's definitely running right now. I don't know but and I'm not him so I can't delve into his thought process. It certainly my opinion at the end of the day again I do like him. I think he's bright. I would take him over Donald Trump I like him. More than a lot of the other candidates though at the end of the day I think he should probably not be running for office and so as were contemplating competition part of it is also honesty. If you're honest with yourself officers you really be in this competition this particular competition not because you're good or bad but because is it appropriate. Do you fit into this particular role that you're competing for objectively speaking taking so I would say that he does not out of all due respect and give you myself as another example and this this is interesting. Sometimes it really has to do with self-knowledge. This is why did bring up earlier earlier introspection and that has more to do also with honesty so I applied for creative writing school right and to get the teaching assistantship and grants and all of that as very frustrated when I lost out in that competition. Could it be that in fact ensure an actually so philosophical that I shouldn't have been seeking to participate in any kind of creative writing program but it there was something in academia that I really should have participated in. Perhaps it should have been philosophy. Perhaps I didn't have inappropriate degree of self knowledge to <hes> undertake that kind of competition so the question that we ask ourselves then is as were looking for the job we want or worm business or I don't know if you're into that girl or into that guy and he ask yourself. Are you being honest fully and self aware about Dowager competing for that what you're going after I think this is one of the first issues relevant to the the question of competition <hes> then we get into the whole concept of niche marketing or niche marketing it depends on who you are has been pronounced both ways. If you know someone who happens happens to be an authority on the pronunciation of that word I mean by all means. Just let us know but I don't know about that but actually niche marketing is very interesting because niche marketing <music> at least implicitly corresponds to this idea that we're all unique all of us raw genetically unique is a scientific fact that we're all unique and that turns out to you work to our benefit probably economically more than this idea that we would all be too much alike not to say that we don't know I do believe there are universals and it could be as we evolve off that the more niche we get that the more we actually learn how to universalize our niche nece aspects or what have you but let's think talk about this issue of so-called individuality and how individuality fits ensues the niche concept or niche concept because they are are utterly bound and it's difficult because it requires this this whole aspect of individuality. I requires self-knowledge so it's not just about honesty st you could be honest with yourself that skies blue right. It's another thing to be honest about who you are being honest about who you are also requires the capacity to interest specked and no who you are grow a knowledge of you are that is not easy and certainly one of the criticisms that I would offer our current world of education from Preschool School through the university level is I'm not convinced that <hes> there is much of a good job really helping people discover who they really are and I think that's unfortunate because I think that to survive in this economy is especially as we know that jobs are going to continue hemorrhaging and a lot of different fields due to automisation and these kinds of things also just various funding issues if you look at I what I have learned for example very very personally through academia I mean the money's just not there so if part of the context for example in me applying for competing in creative writing competition is that a maybe I could have known myself a little bit better and really narrowed my focus on what it was in academia that I maybe most wanted to <hes> participating be part of but another part of it is the context of the competition too and knowing the money that's available and that there just isn't we live. <hes> you know this a lot of states Nin actually very Republican today and the federal government isn't a dire is in dire straits right now under the trump administration and even with all that said with also got up people would argue we have other priorities with respect to spending take for example healthcare which is more important toward the end of the day making sure that everybody has healthcare or making sure that everybody has a college education fully funded. I think that the obvious answer is healthcare because what good is all you could potentially learn if you you're going to live well to be able to experience that so let's pull that back to its part of part heart of self-knowledge therefore and part of your experience of individuality is as much <hes> who you are as well as your personal context. These are very impersonal things who you are in your personal context context fact they say that you're supposed to write notes not just outline what you're going to prepare but as you go on because they say giving providing notes for the people who come across your pockets I said this is good who you are your personal context and even that becomes more interesting because just apply myself again here. Perhaps it turns out that academic though I may be the perhaps as I really interest fact I realize actually a little bit more populist than I realized I am <hes> democratic and realized that at least in the context of wear academia is today <hes> something that is really only available in its finest to the elite on speaking economically or those who are well connected. I mean we saw we. There was a big scandal with the bribery into at U._S._C. U._C._l._A.. Parents bribing officials Russel's so that <hes> their kids could get into what they believe as top-class University experience I do. We assume that just because that's the case that ended up reported on and discovered discovered that it's not happening elsewhere or that it's also not happening and other ways and navy part of it is just a social reality check. I can't tell you how how many times I've been told. It's not what you know who you know or more specifically applying to university <hes> people who who believe that they can get you in two particular school because they know you they will vouch for you so Jesus when you think of how competition in that context alone God forbid you find an opportunity out there that sort of distant went to you in terms of maybe you don't know anybody in that <hes> institution you just don't have the connections perhaps your genius but that just doesn't matter because people are so anxious about this buddy buddy system of you scratch my back. I'll scratch yours through our connections. You'd rather preserve that in a sense of power and this goes back to like again competition awareness competition consciousness you'd rather remain in power so you will what pacify the people who pressure you into using you know connections to advance others forward and to a degree may be totally understandable that to a degree connections are connections right <hes> view look at politics who is at that. You're going to appoint to particular position or to advise you a lot of people in it's one thing to think of somebody as qualified. It's another to be comfortable with someone and have a working relationship with someone therefore that connection may be what in prompts you to put that person on your team. Bring that person forward on your team so we're talking about this individuality I._D.. And really elite identifying both who you are and what your personal context is molest thing about this now in terms of like concrete competitions. I think that probably one of the toughest ways in which we can take about competition is economic. I I think that is the case <hes> looking for job and a lot of people will WANNA particular job. The acting industry is a fantastic example. What way to make this myself in many respects I hate competition and not because I view myself as an inevitable loser I think even if I were to view myself itself as an inevitable winner? I'm not sure I would really feel great about competition by mere fact that there will be losers in the competition context. There's a really great line by Bob Dylan that I think <hes> puts a really well. You'll find out when you reach the top. You're on the bottom. Think about that. You find out when you've reached the top. You're on the bottom. What might that means you you especially? If you have a conscience suppose that you were to win the lottery and your World War Two chains just at the snap of finger like that and you were to become really wealthy but <hes> in some of the folks that you really have loved were to not or people that you saw suffering that you didn't think deserve the impoverished contexts. They ended up in that they deserve. You didn't think they deserved it. <hes> how'd you feel or how do you you feel about the fact that <hes> just in general you get treated Oso differently now that you have oh so much money and people don't see you so much as their friend like they used to <hes> but they just see your money and I and they see how <hes> your favor you know your <hes> being on good terms with you for then that's just a sort of like economic opportunity and how does that change. I feel by yourself in the way you feel about the kinds of relationships that you might want in life how you become. You you you may begin to see yourself as an end to somebody else's competition in rather <hes> all encompassing way myself I tend not to like competition therefore however <hes> I think it's an overwhelming everything and again I think part of it is breaking down the context so that if you really diagnose the essence if you really analyze the essence of your competition then it I think it <hes> you can. I think Everett of some of the weeds there but I think that the initial experience of the competition is overwhelming. I tell you again you. We're in Princeton looking at the bookstore and I just thought all of these people claiming to be philosophers. Are these people claiming to be the person who's attention so much of the world should had half. I'm competing with these people and you ask yourself. What's your edge marketing? Marketing Advice. That is often posed is what do you have to offer her that others don't have to offer and what happens when you struggle with articulating that then you're in your in a place of lacking substantive attentive cont <hes> Co confidence so these other people are able to sort of advance beyond you and you just sort of watch you know the winners and you sit back and you feel like the loser and there's a lot of emotion therefore that can transpire liar as part of the sort of competition experience and you again whether that's good or bad is sort of different from they agreed to which it's inevitable to sort of different conversations one you might argue as sort of a sociological issue or even economic issue another then we get into the ethics and morality and psychology psychology even of it the here's what I want to propose about it though again if it follows that were all sort of unique it does therefore follow that we all have something to offer that no one else has to offer that part of honing in on individuality for introspection. The importance of interest action is crucial sure becomes it comes the more complex part as I think about it some of us it could be easy to identify your uniqueness and how to utilize that economically for others of us than may be more difficult because contexts are just buried so definitely follows that has we're thinking about like market needs and probably wear and how this economy needs to advance moving forward. I'm sure we would discover that. <hes> there's probably an entire industry begging to happen and I've met the people who have done this <hes> back when I I tried to sell published my book lovers other stories in words back in eighty nine <hes> I had did business with a woman had a business called Darren clarity where her whole function was sort of figure did your out how to help you distinguish yourself <hes> in a more spiritual way and showcase that understanding sort of niche marketing reality but the point then is that it it is going to become ever more important for there to be specialists out there who helped the rest of us identify what makes us both unique and how we can and how can we use that uniqueness to generate an income and be value to as many people as possible and this leads to the conversation about from niche thinking to universal thinking game though it's not that easy that simple writing down the note from <unk> thinking to universal and is it possible that <hes> there are certain unleash the thought that can't be universal. Can anything be thought of a universal way well that comes into arts or next issue our next topic so if the I really really important thing is to be focused on the role of the individual in contemplating competition and part of that is the importance of introspection understanding understanding who you are and your personal contacts and thinking about things not about competition actually but your niche in where you fit in is that in a contact is that in a universal context or is that in a more segmented made it context. I want to say hello to Don. Porter who is watching the livestream version of the public comment podcast. <hes> is always wonderful for people to say Hello Don is someone that I used to work with the McCaffrey's the market grocery store and <hes> it's been an awesome thing and it's always wonderful to have people that <hes> you have known and no to be part the experience of you growing your <hes> in your economic activities your endeavors. Your projects is wonderful to have you don here and I hope that all is well with you so again. The question is okay suppose then I can find my my niche my niche my niche in life. What if my niche just doesn't can't relate to anybody else and I'm stuck in isolation? There are two things I think cause us problems as we navigate through the sort of inevitable for many <hes> issue you I know it's been something that I've contemplated. <hes> that is the fact that we live in a postmodern world or it might be that we're actually starting to shed out of a postmodern world but postmodernism is still alive and well <hes> for those of you who may not be as familiar with the postmodern concept. I mean it boils down to this idea that <hes> there is no truth or truth is utterly relative. What's true for you is true for me? What's true for me is true for use your for you which shoe for Mr for me and who were? You'd tell me what might be true for me. You're just trying to have power over me. That's sort of the way of thinking that opposed modernist would have been it amounts to a lot of cynicism and appealing of meaninglessness <hes> and does a real lot of cynicism so there's the postmodern aspect of there's also the fact that we live in a time where we feel very critical understandably so unreasonably so not just people trying to tell us what's true <hes> were not true and how that relates to their power claims over us but also the question of capitalism and realizing capitalism has a lot of of imperfections from not paying people appropriately to you know markets not recognizing people properly due to you know whacked act out ethics and value systems these are going to become too important issues for us to think about when we think about competition and <hes> people who think in terms of their are niches <hes> sometimes getting lost in isolation because postmodernism and dogmatic cynicism towards capitalism may lead to isolation if what's true for you is only true for you then maybe your theories of truth don't appeal to people don't <hes> people find not conducive to them either like on a superficial practical level or metaphysically speaking like maybe what you say is actually just not true so you could be deluding yourself over and over again. Nobody's going to relate to it so an economic context. You could see a problem here. It would also be the case then in his post modern context <hes> where we a lot of people feel sort of that. It's for them to say what's true. Vermeille drew for me. What street for you is true for you that me and my ideological group are going to become our own click and close everybody else out and we're going to self sustain economically unikely quite like a <hes> look at guild postmodernism has some scary <hes> connections in my opinion to like the medieval all times where you had guilds you know where people view things only in the context of their community their ideological community economic community? I am <hes> A grunge rock artist. I only one anything to do with people who consume grunge rock and make grunge rock. That's who I am case closed. <hes> I am a seventh day adventist Christian what I have to offer is only for people who are interested in becoming seventh day adventists Christians or who are my fellow seventh day adventist descriptions. This is a concern politically. I am Democrat. I just can't deal with Republicans. I'm not even GONNA bother marketing to Republicans. I'm not even GonNa Bother <hes> trying to appeal to Republicans. That'd be another example the example I'm a nurse. All they're really matters to me is the medical world and not even so much from the doctors perspective but just the nurses perspective. I an in horticulture only certain aspects of horticulture world matter to me. I'm interested in marijuana. Only me and other people interested in marijuana. That's our world world sir specialization community so in this post modern context where we cling only to those who I share the views of truth that we choose to want to believe in you can see how this causes a lot of isolation and not necessarily conducive to competition to the best competition I would argue that it is bad for competition <hes> because it's divisive and it's exclusive but maybe you feel in and this is where we get into the more capitalistic aspect of it and dealing with the anxieties of competition. Maybe you feel because you're so economically anxious by the way I don't WanNa be misconstrued in any way shape or form that by talking about ideological postmodern clicks that I'm anti-union. I'm totally pro union and think that unionizing isn't entirely different concept that has nothing to do with us in isn't it tiredly different conversation for another time. Go Unions <hes> different than it. You feel anxious that <hes> the world around us not going to appreciate you in the only people that are possibly going to bolster you economically. They are those that share your very narrow. Code your worldview then you'd be you. You've seen incentive then don't you to be very exclusive and to <hes> do things that are perhaps unethical in the name of preserving irving you were ideological group and that could be problematic. One of the things that always attracted me about all the things I have. I've heard from various academics and intellectuals about University of Chicago is that at the university in its own their website to it's something University of Chicago Tout's is that in Chicago what they don't want is people who closed their minds that is to say that it's it's more important that you make an approach to critically quickly thinking about a variety of us and that there isn't this <hes> belief in trying to impose much of abuse of you beyond critically examining the world of views almost as sort of very socratic way of thinking about things and this is something I was down very attractive. There was a time when I had definitely a deeply bell fantasy the of flying to the University of Chicago going because there seemed to be just something about that though I don't know that you have to be at that university to appreciate this ethos participate in this ethos because it's something that we should all just probably practice but ask yourself as you think about how you are participating in the economy as a consumer Laura producer to what what extent is it <hes> something that excludes others and what extent are you trying to perpetuate your group identity in the name of excluding any other way of thinking or anybody who poses questions to your way of thinking because maybe your wife thinking is right but how do you approach those question way of thinking and to what degree is economic anxiety making you cling to your group. Let's think maybe for example sample some aspects of like the Republican issue that we find today where a lot of people are just too anxious to criticize on the Republican side are just too anxious to criticize president trump because they fear that they will lose reelection now. Maybe for some of them let fear of reelection has to do with like policy consequences. Maybe for others though I mean they have jobs presently in Congress so maybe for some people it's an economic anxiety issue where they feel will that <hes> if they are too honest about things then they will lose their job so they have to sacrifice their integrity in order to to keep their financial gain in order to keep their comp- what they perceive is their competitive edge <hes> being rational looking constructive where are they being corrupted by postmodernism in sophistry and cynicism incorrect attitudes towards capitalism so with this post modern context what else happens you may have heard this term narrowcasting. That's part of two narrowcasting. I think has few contexts there is a sort of media context and marketing context where specifically in media and television programming entertainment programming where instead of broadcasting trying to appeal to everyone where mass audience. Let's our niche audience with our target audience now from one point of view this definitely appears to make sense because we are all unique and therefore again we all not only have something to offer theoretically to the economy if we hone in on what makes us unique and how to monetize it but that also means that <hes> with a broad spectrum of people out there then if you are more personal and honest and looking at your own sort of niche aspects that you're going to appeal to those people who also also share similar niche aspects you're going to appeal to someone in that spectrum of possible kinds of people and you're gonNA save yourself a lot of trouble as opposed to try to appeal to everybody. This makes sense sense from marketing perspective totally. Even I mean God if you're like on a dating APP right you want to narrow pass. You know the kind of person that you'd like to date so by knowing yourself and knowing you're interested it makes sense sense to be like very narrow obviously as opposed to say well. I just want somebody to love is different than well. I think this is the kind of person that'd be interested in having a relationship with but I would also ask does the issue of narrowcasting in the context of trying to address anxieties over competition or offer a solution to competition. Is it in itself the solution or can we add to it because my thought is that one of my concerns with the did you have narrowcasting goes back to my concerns about postmodernism that is a say does narrowcasting propagate a sort of exclusivity entity and divisiveness mentality whereby were so hyper focused on only meeting those people who are most going to relate to our niche that we never really see the world beyond us or we don't think about how we can reach more people or how there could be a wider appeal or to put it in more philosophical terms really <hes> Ken what we have offer have a more universal utility for example if you're thinking about like the computer <hes> and the Personal Computer Bill Gates Microsoft Steve Jobs and a lot of their productivity with something that could be very universalized. Everybody should have a computer right. Everybody should have a television so the people who sort of innovate who are the pioneers in certain products may have this edge in competition in because nobody else is making it just like them and it's the kind of thing that would suit just about everybody or is that not the case right because then you think about apple and how apple had a design that contrasted you know the Bill Gates approach to the personal computer their computers or more attractive for example more the the exterior career was more aesthetic and therefore was going to attract more of the creative type and is that where we go with this and do we stay in a world actually of narrowcasting <hes> niche marketing or is there a way to go from niche to universal both and I'm GonNa talk more about that in the future just Kinda WanNa leave the question there for now and certainly get your thoughts but <hes> there's related to so much where we go with that that I and only a few minutes left that I'd rather allow that for us to sort of contemplate that <hes> but aligned aligned with this idea of narrowcasting one more concept <hes> which I read in an article today that I'll need to link to <hes> about hyper personalization to and see this makes things very interesting so marketers are not only thinking in terms of narrowcasting and a niche audience or target audience or target customer but they're also thinking in terms of the fact that with technology we have options technology can sort of customize the plethora of options that would suit particular individuals based on their nuanced individual <hes> preferences and things and this almost makes you wonder if we actually go beyond the postmodern guild click kind of isolation. Do we risk actually becoming something even more frightening which is where we all live in our own little world in our own little bubbles and can't even relate as much to people who would be who would otherwise been in our groups chiefs are ideological postmodern little groups. Do we become almost two <hes> self involved for lack of better terms to Boston ourselves in this <hes> markets <music> of hyper personalization. Do we begin to think about things so specialized to the individual that we lose touch with both our place in a universal context or do we not whereas just a <hes> irrational concern or is it something that <hes> maybe is being inappropriate addressed but something we want to keep in mind. I WanNa leave you with that now. Keep in mind. I try really not to be so much preachy such as I try to be very contemplative and I and introspective very much so contemplation who I would call my approach very contemplative in that <hes> on really interested in how these things follow as thoughts as opposed to try to argue you too much. I mean there are things I feel very strongly about like <hes> democracy in social democracy and Alston trump from the presidency things that are severely <hes> priority from a political perspective and from social perspective <hes> but there are other aspects of philosophy that I think are just a matter of talking it out there contemplation so I want to say thank you for your time and I do want to encourage you to <hes> donate to the an invest in the public comment podcast you can go to <hes> my Patriot page in fact to donate <hes> there are badges available probably below on the website <hes> as well and and <hes> so I do hope interested in doing that because it is a competitive world and I have to compete to and so I'd ask you for your help <hes> quite like if I was running for office and I'm asking for your vote I'm asking for the economic vote so that I can say viable in the public discussion and that's what this whole <hes> public comment thing about so again. 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SMNTY Classics: Where Are the Women in Political Campaigns?
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COM Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Kristen and I'm caroline and this week could be considered house of cards. Weep on stuff. Mom Never told you today. We're talking about campaign. Strategists suggests because typically when you hear from a campaign strategist or about one it's usually a dude yeah and so why is that why is that and well speaking of House of cards before we get into women in political campaigning and strategy. Can we just take a moment to talk about Corey Lewandowski who to me is Doug Doug stamper on House of cards. Irl We'll tell the people who he is okay so sides being a real life. Dog is the real life Doug people who have not seen house. Also cards are just so confused right now so Corey Lewandowski is Donald Trump's campaign manager and he's been extremely visible throughout the whole campaign I would say that he's been the most visible campaign manager partially because he was charged with simple oh battery of former Breitbart reporter Michelle fields the charges have since been dropped but he is what you would expect Act Donald Trump's campaign manager to be. He's opinionated. He's pretty. Let's say rough and tumble humble. I like had diplomatic. You're being well. This is all about campaign strategy and Spencer trying to really get into the spirit of it yeah but didn't like pushed her right. Yeah I watch the security footage. You can see it online and he grabs her and pulls her away. I mean it's kind of hard to see what exactly went down but yeah it was. I mean just just the very idea of that. Happening seemed just a stranger than fiction. Although we like this political season we you should expect stuff like that to be happening. You know yeah I mean it's almost like on like low on the list of Bizarro things that have happened so far. I know just the the day before we came into the studio to record this podcast. banner referred to Ted Cruz as Lucifer in the flesh like things things are just so weird politically like things are so weird and instead of focusing on the people out front like Ted Cruz Carly Fiorina Donald Trump et cetera. We wanted to pull back the curtain and look at the political machinery because obviously with all the money money but now goes into political campaigning there so much background work to hone messages and optics and events and you have when you look at the gender breakdown of who does what behind the scenes of political campaigns and you have a little pocket where women are welcomed and then the rest of it. It's pretty tough for a lady eh it can be pretty tough for a lady to branch out in in the strategy realm but I I wanted to take a look at people behind the scenes means in general so campaign staffers because I'm sure a lot of you saw that big Joe Bell piece that was looking at how men men and women in campaign staffs are paid and how many are employed and overall the numbers are pretty pretty bad so this again is coming from Jazz Abell and the the campaign with the highest pay discrepancy between men and women was Ted Cruz male employees make an average of twenty thousand more than female employees Floyd in that campaign the now defunct Rubio campaign actually paid women the best they made on average just more than five thousand dollars more than male staffers and a tenth of the ten highest paid staffers on these sadly defunct Rubio campaign which a lot of people. Bt Dubs in the primaries are still voting for Rubio B O over a case for instance six female six out of ten on the Rubio highest paid staffer list were female not not so for Bernie he is literally the only candidate who has no women in his top ten highest paid employees but he has paid the women in his campaign pain equitably in fact on average they're making a little under one thousand dollars more than the men and then if we look at Hillary Clinton men and women were making essentially the same amount and of her ten highest paid staffers six or dudes for our ladies one one of them being whom Abidine who's one of the biggest names really in in political campaigning period she's Hillary's chief of staff and her campaigns vice-chairwoman and she also was on call your girlfriend not that long ago which was interesting to hear. I'd never she's been featured in a number of magazines and profiles and obviously has gotten a lot of attention because her husband is Anthony Anthony Weiner but it was it was nice to hear whom I have a just kind of off the cuff conversation as off the cuff as a chief of staff can be yeah. I love knowing that she started working for Hillary as a intern at the White House in Nineteen ninety-six if she's been whether a long time and and if you look at trump out of his ten highest paid staff members seven are men and three women and women on average make three thousand dollars less than men their male counterparts parts for the trump campaign and John Casick is actually the only candidate who has a female campaign manager her name's Beth Hansen and actually Mike Huckabee to did too to he hired his daughter but you know he's long gone as well you mean from the campaign right not from from Earth correct okay. Ah I find it so ironic. That casick has the lone woman campaign manager Beth Hansen because his policies Luc's regarding women as he's been Ohio governor have not been so lady friendly again. You're being so diplomatic so he oversaw massive shutdowns of abortion providers in the state he passed a two thousand thirteen budget to De-fund Fund planned parenthood while mandating ultrasounds and in an interview with Beth Hansen in Elle magazine. The interviewer asks like what she thought about when Casick essentially shut down a young woman's question in one of his events by saying Oh look I don't have any tickets to the Taylor Swift concert and an L. magazine was understandably like okay like how do you answer to that. How can you say that your your candidate is still like a woman friendly person person and she was like well you know he has young daughters teenage daughters and he's just you know. I think it was just like you can be funny and I mean it was just like Spin Spin Spin Spin Sh but apparently she's been she's been with him for quite a while as well but if we look at the gender breakdown in terms of numbers just dislike of staffers every campaign minus. Hillary Clinton's has employed significantly more men than women which does reflect just the broader broader trend in politics but for sure. I was heartened to see that Hillary Clinton. The one woman running for president did hire or has hired more women on her staff than men yeah and we will in. It's not just Hillary we will talk about that aspect of women in politics here again in a little bit but you know the whole skewing male thing obviously has been going on for for a minute the political consulting field itself rose to prominence in the nineteen eighteen seventies and eighties this is when you start to see the professionalization of people working on campaigns and of course consulting that sort of encompasses a broad rod range of positions everything from campaign managers to people who are just consulting on like media appearances and things like that so it's kind of a broad range the positions it was in nineteen eighty eight that we see the first ever female campaign manager. Susan Esoteric she was hired to run on Democrat Michael Dukakis bid for president back then in the eighties but also didn't she get it. She was the runner up. Oh yes she was not the first choice yeah the dude he wanted to hire. I don't know otherwise engage washing his hair in two thousand four Mary Beth K. Hill John Kerry's campaign. Manager manager was the only woman in that role for that presidential race and in two thousand ten and twenty eleven according to often often quoted rutgers political science professor Kelly Dittmar she was looking at political consultants which again that encompasses strategists pollsters ad makers as managers media visors people who were working in top firms on senatorial and gubernatorial races those years twenty ten and twenty eleven and she found that about seventy five percent of consultants with Strategic Influence were men but a higher number of women were working on democratic credit campaigns than on Republican ones and that's like you see that every year almost in every type of race at every level of government that more women are working for the Democrats more women are in the higher levels of those consulting firms who work with Democrats yeah so in two thousand fourteen eighteen for instance among key Senate races a six percent of gop campaigns had female managers versus forty percent of democratic campaigns and that was something that Mitt Romney's former deputy campaign manager called disturbing in terms of the lack of senior level women and so basically when you are reading articles about women in Consulting and campaign strategy you just hear a couple of names over and over again similar like the g women consultants and strategists and Republicans for instance had pollster Linda Divall all operative Maria and of course consultant Mary Madeline who she's almost more famous for being married to James Carville they of the opposite opposite political ends of the spectrum and for the Democrats back in the day you had media group. Gurus like Mandy grunwald. Don The GWYNN's and pollster Celinda Celinda Lake and Diane Feldman not to mention superstar strategist and one of my favorite twitter presences Donna Brazile Yeah I was telling Carolina before we came in the studio to record that Donna Brazile is one of the only things that I really enjoy about watching. CNN in during elections and she is a political force to be reckoned with not to mention. She's made history. Um MM so she worked on every presidential campaign from nineteen seventy six to two thousand and when she ran Al Gore's two thousand campaign pain. She became the first African American man or woman to manage a presidential campaign. and I love this fact about her. She first. I got involved in politics when she was nine years old working to elect a city council member who promised to build a playground in her neighborhood which immediately made me wonder like was that Leslie Nope from parks wreck because it would help perfect. Would that be I know that's impossible possible because Leslie nope is not real technically when my heart could be totally based on that story about Donna Brazile who she did right in a memoir that for nearly my entire life my mother worked as a maid never in her wildest dreams did she imagine that her daughter groped influence national politics or manage and edge a presidential campaign and I mean it's funny though I wonder if she sort of downplaying because clearly this woman is determined and single minded and even from the age of nine. I'm like was clearly a little politician who was able to effect change and speaking of her though women of color have been intimately involved in a grassroots political organizing sends the reconstruction and early civil rights eras with people like I to be wells and Mary Church Terrell Paul and Mary McLeod Bethune who were instrumental in the National Association of Colored Women that was highly invested in activating women within black communities to organize and get out and vote so so that they could you know elect officials that would have their needs in mind and Seguin though into today's more establishment Bushman political machines has not surprisingly been harder not just for women of Color but for people of Color in general any mention caroline that Donna Brazile is so single angle minded if we look at the nineteen eighty-eight Michael Dukakis campaign this totally reinforces and just goes to show how how single-minded she truly so essentially like not intentionally eh the campaign silo its top tier operatives onto separate floor in their campaign headquarters. I which mostly meant that all the white dudes were up top and everyone else was on the bottom and Brazil and Mignon more were field directors actors at the time and those two plus Susan Rice stormed up stairs claimed a conference conference room on the top floor and put a sign on the door that said colored girls we shall not be moved and essentially from that moment this group of women these political consultants calling themselves the colored girls have become this DC Z force that if you hope to get elected on you know for any national campaign like you've gotTa have dinner with them. They hold these regular dinners his and essentially candidates come in and they grill them basically making sure that they are keeping communities of color and mind because it's like if if they don't like you you're probably not going to get elected yeah. We'll just like Dukakis's. Headquarters weren't intentionally segregated along race or gender lines. I mean mean that that could stand in for all politics. Politics aren't necessarily intentionally segregated along those lines but they often are and so you have women like Brazil and the rest of the color girls group that formed this influential contingent of women of color who are we're able to advise candidates and remind them gently or not that you can't forget that the Democratic Base Ace rests on the vote of not just white men but people of Color and women and so if you WanNa make it in this town like you've got to be able to think outside of your own bubble well yeah and it's African American women's vote in particular but one more thing about that nineteen eighty-eight campaign. It is surprising that that even happened because like you mentioned earlier. Susan strick was the campaign manager. It's like soothes come on sues sue do what happened but today the group of color girls which they still refer to themselves as has expanded to you include a few more women including Reverend Leah D Daughtry and consultant Yolanda Caraway and also the DNC General Counsel Sold Tina Floor Anne and in a New York Times profile of this group a number of politicians spoke to their influence including Howard Dean who said Ed quote. They're very rare. Washington insiders who understand the rest of the country and this whole thing speaks to y looking at who is behind the scenes in these political campaigns madder because if you only have white men or also white women who are crafting your platforms essentially then they're probably aren't going to necessarily take an intersectional approach to policy-making. Yeah Yeah exactly and that's why Tony Bui points out in Asian American Policy Review that the campaign staff needs to reflect constituent diversity and she also points out that you might have training programs. If you WANNA work on campaigns or in strategy you know there might be a training program. That's just general or ones specifically geared toward women but there's nothing really out there the people of color who want to step up and work with campaigns and be that voice for other populations that want to see themselves represented well well in conversations about the gender gap within like our elected officials. I think that this part of the pipeline the the background ground political consulting and strategist and campaign managers that aspect of the pipeline is something that I know. I didn't think about before reading up for this podcast. We just think of yeah well. We just need more women to stand up and be willing to be candidates but this is an integral part of getting more women in office to that's something that boy underscores in terms of the pipeline issue that if you do not train gene and empower more women of color to enter into political strategy and have influence in that realm then the pipeline is still going to be leaky yeah and what I didn't realize before preparing for this episode is that when women are working in campaigns strategy or consulting or whatever they they tend to be concentrated in fundraising which I had no idea and this information's coming from Katie or from K. Q. E. D. and Abby rapoport report from the Texas Tribune so basically forever women have been barred from those higher level strategic positions in campaigns and while they're more likely to be registered voters and grassroots organizers they are way less likely to rise to those elite levels. So what is the deal. Why are these women like shuttled off to fundraising position well first of all this reflects a broader trend of women men in nonprofits of being more acceptable for women to be in the upper ranks of a nonprofit organization. That's just fundraising and raising money versus to to help others to help other exactly the whole altruism thing versus something that's considered far more masculine in terms of being in the war room of campaign strategy so rappaport and or talked to a number of women who are consultants and also fundraisers was in politics and they essentially compiled a laundry list of all of these presumably female email friendly work responsibilities that we hear over and over again and terms of of of many pink collar jobs so you have the whole thing being of altruism of humility and putting others first you're raising money for yourself but on behalf of this candidate and for the community at large large which reminds me of our conversation with Gina and Ashley from recruit her when we talked about negotiating and how it seems to for salary and had seems to be so much more acceptable for a woman to negotiate for a higher salary for someone else or based in Dan logic around helping others so yes same exact thing and a lot of the women as both a positive and a negative said that the duties that come along with fundraising event planning sending out invitations and playing hostess are traditionally women oriented tasks and a Susan Lilley Republican consultant put it these tasks typically fallen women whether it's in politics are wedding well and the whole idea to that that it's detail oriented work and therefore appealing to women and therefore something that women do better than men as something that we have. I've heard also applied to a lot of other sectors as well. not to say that like don't you tell me that women are detail oriented. I am so sloppy right but it's the whole thing of like. Are you saying that being detail oriented and planner is only a woman thing exactly yeah exactly early and then there's a whole socialization aspect of it This was something that Amy Boone who started her own consulting firm before moving over to the Texas Democratic Trust talked about saying from the time where little girls were conditioned to not really be the ones raising our hands so again. It's that that fun. Fundraising is feminine who knew exactly and then boone went on to explain in that it's possible that women are just getting pigeonholed. She said that it's common when a woman shows up to work on a campaign without much experience and without much confidence the a senior staff just tend to push her over into a junior fundraising role where she can do things like just stay behind the scenes planning making phone calls planning parties and stuff like that just basically assistant role stuff and so if that's the position that you're placed in and you do want to advance I will. You're probably just going to continue advancing up that fundraising ladder but despite the fact that women are the overwhelming majority in fundraising thing if nowhere else in campaign strategy they're still not typically the ones making decisions because as Dittmar points out you might be in fund raising and you might be bringing in all of this cash money but that's not a likes clear cut strategic role all the way that being for instance a campaign manager or a media spokesperson would be and in a very blatantly sexist kind of way some campaigns campaigns are simply nervous about putting women in charge of strategy because it does violate gender norms and a lot of ways if we think of campaigns as going to war as many political consultants do and this was something that an urban who began professional campaign work for Republicans Republicans way back in nineteen seventy seven she said I think there's an old school conservative good old boy inclination to go with a guy because it's too rough often tumble to be a woman yeah so I mean that goes hand in hand with the pigeonholing thing and just pushing a woman off into fundraising. If you just assume ooh that someone who doesn't look like you only going to be good at one thing or she's not going to be good at what the thing you're good at then how like how who's going to break that barrier ear 'cause if you're just operating on suctions about what a woman is cut out for and I think that the likeability factor plays into this as well where you see women who might be in those more strategic roles shot calling likelier to be dismissed as bitches which is yeah and so a lot of the women that were interviewed. We're talking about how you know a lot of successful women in campaigning and in campaign strategy and consulting half to be comfortable with that you have to be okay with getting called a bitch because it's inevitable and nj one woman pointed out like a lot of women just aren't comfortable with that and especially when you're starting out and so that could also get you hamstrung. I'm from progressing up the ladder strategy and then you have the optics issue because a you have the the idea that an attractive woman is going to be better at raising money because who doesn't want to give cash to a beautiful woman whereas is a campaign manager who's going to be on the road with a candidate especially if that candidate is male if you have a lady traveling alongside him then. Dan might that raise some eyebrows about how close their relationship really is and that's something to that is not exclusive to political political consulting but really I mean workplaces at large where it's like. It's fine if all the guys go out for happy hour after work but if if a lady wants to tag along than than people might get a little nervous. Leon so one of the quotes that really sort of I had to read a couple of times to make sure that I was reading it correctly was from that Republican consultant Susan Lilley who said male candidates don't need to be traveling with a young attractive female can give the wrong impression. Even though there's nothing really wrong with it so kind of giving into just well tongues will wag so we better just not do it better. Just avoid it but there's yes I mean so many other aspects of why women get tripped up trying to pursue jobs in strategy and consulting but of of course these are things that we see in so many other professional fields and we will get right back into them when we come back from a quick break. 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Rs Charts so there was this series of interviews that some researchers conducted active consultants back in two thousand three and they found that those consultants men and women alike believed that women in consulting political Michael Consulting face different rules of the game so to speak including having to work twice as hard to be successful in the business not being taken seriously asli or seem to be as credible by candidates and the political parties as the Menfolk and having to be careful about being too aggressive in their marketing and approach to business so these are not just like think peace writers talking about this stuff these are the consultants themselves talking about the perceptions of women and among themselves among their own ranks and it seems like that aggressive penalty comes up over and over again when you hear from women in this field Liz shatter and Powell who's the VP of political strategies with Bates Neimand Inc which is Democratic Direct Mail and issue advocacy consulting firm said that you have to be aggressive to rise to the position as an executive director of a committee or partner partner in a consulting firm which again you have that socialization aspect this is a behavior that women are socialized from young ages often against even though many people in the field embrace it and you also have the issue of the Doug stampers the men empower who might not be so keen on giving them a leg up yeah and then a huge factor in the field just like it is breath comes up anytime we talk about women who are alive and having children is the whole family and parenting aspect because if if you whether you're a working mom or a stay at home mom your socially expected to be there for your children and in your family more than you're expected to be at work. It's the whole Mommy tracking issue. We've talked about before and Angela Faulkner. Who's a Republican direct. Mail consultant told sold the publication campaigns and elections that she felt huge stigma as a mom and full-time consultant especially when she was travelling overseas ABC's for clients. She talked about how early in her career she actually felt resentment from other women not dude's not do it's calling her out and call it a a bad mom but resentment from other women who were questioning her decision to work in Venezuela's recall election rather than stay home with her children yeah. She said head when people talk about family values. It's usually based on a stable home. Environment many conservatives feel that a stable home environment requires a mother that isn't required to travel and the the childcare aspect also reminds me of a Glamour magazine piece that we read profiling women in the current election and one thing that Houma Abidine said was if hilary is elected. You did what she's GonNa do the very next day turn off her phone and spend the day with her son making him pasta and taking them out for ice cream which I was like. Can I come over. Hey AAC but it kind of drives home like I was reminded reading that like Oh yeah you probably do not get to see your kid all that often because it is is he twenty four seven job. Yeah it does make me think of how how could be a father. I mean aside Stamp Cards Xander on House of cards like how could he be. Let alone all of the personality quiz sociopath -I that too but you know it's it's hard across the board hard to make time for family or social life or anything when you are working in a political campaign that goes without saying but it turns out that those grueling schedules can make certain jobs more difficult than others for instance media consultants typically end up with the hardest schedules of any operatives because you know. I mean it makes sense. You've got to respond respond rapidly. If something happens if Donald Trump says yet another thing about women or Muslims. You've got to have your phone on to be able to respond and plus. You've got nearly constant constant travel and so that according to a lot of female operatives interviewed is one of the reasons they're likely fewer women in media than in places like polling fundraising fundraising or direct mail so yet again for many women in this industry there is that double standard forced choice of Motherhood Hood vs career and how are you going to make the two work together and obviously there are plenty of women who are doing just that but ah the issue is that men typically do not face the same kind of decision making right and I mean it turns out when we hinted at this earlier that party affiliation is definitely a factor according to a study in the Journal of Political Marketing from twenty eleven they wrote that women consultants tend to work for democratic firms terms consulting firms more often than Republican led ones and that women led firms were more likely to be hired by democratic rather than Republican candidates candidates and basically this twenty eleven study echoed prior studies that found that not only are more women consultants. Democrats but democratic consulting firms are more likely to have women named as partners and so as a result Democratic candidates are more likely to hire consulting firms women partners. It's like gender politics math literal gender politics well yeah exactly well and I wonder if that kind of partisanship in this issue goes to Angela Faulkner who was that Republican direct mail consultant talked about in terms terms of conservatives having a very distinct perception of family values. That's often a top hop conservative platform and family values often when it comes to when you look through the Republican Lens often involves a woman in at least closer to home but it's not like women aren't out there doing it for themselves. They are there are more women these days leading campaigns leading super packs and heading up consulting firms one thing. I I didn't expect I guess I should have expected it is that it's actually really hard to find numbers. Kirsten tonight love exciting stats. It's like our favorite thing. We love to give you percentages but it's hard to find. clear-cut percentage isn't stats win. You're dealing with so many private firms and behind the scenes make-up's and breakdowns of demographics which again I mean like ridiculous that is the case in something that lives and breathes by data but of course I mean it's data and also image so there's only select data that you would probably want visible to the public but you do have more women who are starting their own consulting firms and it's not just democratic women you have have a Katy packer gauge. Ashley O'Connor and Christine Matthews who got together and founded the Republican focused firm burning glass alas consulting because the democratic narrative about the GOP has been the whole war on women so the three consultants got together and we're like you know this whole tone deafness issue that a number of Republican candidates have had when it comes to women is is something that we could really focus on and the whole burning glass aspect of their name comes from the idea that they're going to be so laser focused like it's Sunbeam that could burn through the glass. I think I got that right basically yeah exactly but according to Sarah Brewer who's the former associate director of the women and Politics Institute American University found through her research that female political consultants often work twice wife as long in the field before starting their own firms than men do and the speculation around that I mean there's a couple of reasons that could be one one. You need obviously kind of fat rolodex of clients and connections to start your own thing and if you are not in a client contact heavy heavy position. It's harder to make those direct connections. there's also the thing that we've seen so often when we talk about women or really any minority a group in a professional capacity that there's often this need to feel that you have to work harder to prove yourself and that makes it sound like you just internalized that and feel like you have to do that but often people around you. I guess in this case it would be the white guys working in the campaign expect you to work harder sure well and I mean the very fact that burning glass consulting a received a New York Times profile an interview by Amanda has enslave all of this media coverage because it was three Republican women forming this consulting firm. I think speaks to how you you know this. This is kind of a rarity. Oh yeah I mean in especially when it comes to Republican consulting right exactly but in twenty twelve women ran more than half of the thirteen most competitive democratic Senate campaigns and that year women were also in charge of two key campaign committees the National Republican Congressional Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee but those are both back being headed by dudes so it's not like a a permanent change and again that increase in women operatives has been stronger on the democratic side and in two thousand twelve on the Republican inside there was just one female manager working on those top thirteen most competitive Senate races so as we are seeing slowly but surely the numbers there's of women in political campaigning increasing the question is why is this happening so it could have to do with an influx of money into and the professionalization of campaigns which creates more opportunities for consultants I mean the the way that political campaigns are funded have has been a major issue on the democratic side of the presidential race this year and you also have a deeper bench of female operatives who have gradually risen to the top not to mention an increasing focus us and just general acknowledgement. That female voters a win elections. I mean women essentially are the people who who decide who at least gets to the White House yeah and another big aspect of this is the proliferation like Dandelions reliance on your front yard of Super Pacs and the super pacs offer men or women more job flexibility and schedule flexibility than working directly for candidates and so that's attractive to anyone male or female who has a family or you know. I don't know like seventeen cats. It's like whatever you know or like a botchy ball league on the weekends like whatever you WanNa do to make your life more rewarding you would have a little bit more time for it and Alexandria lap. WHO's the Executive Director of the House. Majority PAC says yeah I'm not getting a call at eleven pm from the D Triple C chair of congressman so and so you answer to your donors but it's different than answering to a politician and super PACs by the way in case you are not familiar are it's their job to raise and spend a ton of money but they can't donate money directly to candidate so there. Is that layer wink yeah yeah yeah exactly there. Is that layer of separation so yeah. You're not answering directly to like an angry candidate or an angry campaign manager who wants to talk to you in the middle of the night. Oh Gosh what if Doug stamper called in the middle of the night a chilling. I don't think I'd answer I don't have the the the exact numbers in front of me but in terms of women of color her and political activism there's also been an exponential influx of packs forming specifically typically to engage those groups. I mean for instance you have a Rosario Dawson's co-founded Voto Latino and all sorts of groups. I like that that have risen in just the past five ten years yeah because politically you kind of have to fight fire with fire and by fire. I mean cash money's lots and lots of cash. Money's like a scrooge mcduck pool of money to buy ads. That's not directly contributing leading to a politician but I know I know I just I hate it. I was thinking today actually when we were preparing to come into the studio like doc I looked out the window wistfully and I just thought God I would kill for candidates who were just humans you know what I mean like you can like and respect a candidate all you want all day long and like get caught up in the idealism and and believe what he or she says and and be behind them but God. I would feel so much better if candidates were just like yeah. This thing here sucks like well. I mean I I think some of that is due to the fact that we are two party system yeah so you have no like two people who were going for. You're like such a diverse group of people yeah. I was just so when Bainer called Cruise Lucifer in the flesh. I was just like that is. I'm not even a Republican. was that the realist moment for you sat there one of the realist moments and I was like God. That's refreshing well. The one thing we haven't even gotten into and and don't have time to is the rise of the kind of superstar her political manager Karl Rove I mean I think that he is probably the most intense example of that. I mean that that man has really in a lot of ways changed American culture. I mean he's responsible. I think for a vast majority of the conservative political climate I'm at right now. Well Yeah and even with Karl Rove. Though you had Karen Hughes I think only temporarily. I don't think she was with George. Bush for the long haul she had worked worked with him back in Texas and worked with him on one if not both of his election presidential election campaigns so you did have a woman sort of like in the wings things behind Rove but for all of his puppet mastering Karl Rove gets both the credit and the blame for all of the stuff that happened and in George Bush's presidency and he's positioned himself in that way too. I mean I. I don't know that I've ever seen Karen Hughes on television before but then you have Karl Rove all the time yeah and that's that's one thing we were reading about. Too is like how in this modern era you do. Have People People like Mary. Madeline and James Carville Karl Rove Donna Brazile people who are political consultants who even like in the boom times of the seventies and eighties eighties when they first emerged still were behind the scenes and slowly but surely or pretty quickly. I guess they became the talking heads on on your cable news networks. You know your columnists in newspapers and they have become celebrities and pseudo politicians in their right. Well Yeah speaking of House of cards. Donna Brazile has made two cameos on the show. I mean James Carville was in old school. I don't know like that is a fact act. In my brain I wish could be replaced with something more useful. I mean James Carville is made so many cameos in all sorts of stuff and but that whole thing too I would attribute going back to our old Jay School Days Journalism School where Carolina and I I met it's all about the twenty four hour news cycle too to so of course they're pulling from the people who are really good about talking politics and also spinning and kind of you know shooting from the hip with Wolf Blitzer yeah once flew in a plane with and he was carrying a garment bag back onto the plane and it was monogrammed with his wolf initials and I was hoping it would just be like an airbrushed picture of a Wolf God i. I wish I wish but I mean the most surprising thing was that his beard was almost translucent strange. I thought you were going to say it was like a fake. Santa a beer that was tied on behind his ear also. I wish I WANNA you're you're Wolf Blitzer. I was on a plane with Kathleen Sibelius one time former head of health and Human Services Services. We made eye contact when there was a really annoying woman talking on her cell phone Kathleen. I waved to her CBS'. If you're listening shout out so anyway it it it's kind of obvious and goes without saying in Kristen. You already touched on this earlier in the podcast that if you don't will represent the population in your campaign in your strategy like obviously going to Ding you because you're not going to be able to fully get the the picture of your electorate and Ditmar yes. Can you imagine Dittmar writing about this says you have to be able to understand how to speak to all voters including hello over fifty percent of the population which is women voters and she points out as if she needs to that listen you guys is there is value in women's experiences and women's voices and that value can be applied to shaping policy okay of course. I agree with all of that of course but we have a massive glaring exception to the idea idea that you will get dinged at the polls if you don't know how to speak to all voters and that would be the runaway success of of one Donald J trump formerly drum but he yeah well yeah but he's not doing well in the polls with women right but he still will the as of the time that we are recording this podcast who knows what we'll have changed. When this episode publishes he's the presumptive Republican nominee and and it doesn't matter he doesn't even he doesn't need women. I mean granted in the general election. I would be surprised if it didn't come back to haunt him but but it's I mean the the American electorate also is so I don't. I don't know how a good word to describe it. It's so polarized yeah this point. It's extremely polarized that unfortunately you can make AAC excluding certain people's rights and liberties including not only women but also Muslims in the case of the trump campaign and Latinos Latinos. Oh yeah and early anyone who's not wearing make America great again hat and not wearing it ironically honestly but that you can you can do that and unfortunately succeed yeah but like you said I mean he's a runaway success with a very specific demographic he would not do very well in the General Against Hillary or Bernie well see fingers healthily at this point though and I'm really curious to hear from our listeners outside of the US about all of this to you because I'm sure it just looks like nonsense happening. it is it is. I I mean I don't I don't I can't even make any predictions at this point point no I I asked my father who he was voting for and he just kind of looks at me and I do not talk politics and he just looked at me and he said I'll be voting for case after the contested nomination so but I mean that's another interesting example of you can not have women's best interest at heart but if you keep quiet about how you feel about women as opposed to Donald Trump ah will maybe Beth hardened his campaign managers had something to do with that who knows exactly but of course it's not. He's aren't desirable desirable outcomes. You know we would like to see people elected who do value women not just as like humans humans is beautiful objects like a donald trump has but as you know people who should be kept in mind when making taking and passing policy and that is one reason why we need to give a massive shoutout to emily's list which is a Political Action Action Committee for Pro Choice Democratic female candidates if you don't they are go look them up they're terrific doc and Jess McIntosh who works with them agrees that I mean it's simply a practicality to have women working in your were campaign. She says by having women in leadership roles. You're GONNA have more needed perspective about messaging reaching voters all all of that when she was speaking to Vakhidov well what I thought was so interesting and and telling remember that two thousand and three consultant's study that I mentioned in a little while ago. Oh Yes yes yes rewind. If you don't on your tape deck your podcast tape deck rewind this comes out on cassettes right yeah well how yeah people order them on those you remember those cassette services like like titus andronicus. Schmidt subscribed to exactly so oh you know they talked to a bunch of consultants male and female and seventy percent of the women they talked to and just thirty percent of the men believed believed that women brought a unique perspective to the campaign and that this perspective could be used strategically to win elections so interesting because then if you don't believe that women have a unique perspective and you are accustomed to hiring and promoting people who are like you why why would you make a special effort to bring women yet again. I feel like this is just a microcosm of issues that we see across industries right. We'll which is why so many women interviewed in the articles that we read for this episode cited the importance of mentors who can help guide you through those gender expectations through this minefield is political minefields and the importance of women helping and hiring other women. It's not uncommon according to a lot of the women we read for women in campaigns and consulting firms to band Dan together at least within their own parties and commit to helping bring up promising young women that Liz chattering Powell who cited earlier encourages female candidates. It's an female oriented packs to work only with female consultants and it's worth noting that women candidates do in fact tend to hire more women to work on on their campaigns than male candidates do and she says if we don't help our own we will never be successful a tearing down walls She said that in one campaign that she was working on a male staff member a democratic male staff member told her that he she couldn't run one of his top senate campaign races because because quote I was female and none of his candidates would take orders from a woman who F- that's that's my eloquent response wants to that yeah and so Powell also rights that women can at least be there for each other to help encourage one another to stick it out now. She says women are way more likely than men in this field of work to basically I mean for lack of a better word and I'm just GONNA use the Buzzword but lean out when they decide they want a quote unquote real job that will afford them some free time to have a family or whatever and so she envisions Pailin visions this landscape. Hey where you have training seminars that are exclusively for female operatives given exclusively by female consultants that would then after the fact offer a consistent stream of mentoring support to help women stick it out or really just to help women plan their career trajectories in whatever political direction they want to go. Yeah I mean it. It's an exhausting job. I can only imagine getting into this field so I'm curious to here there any listeners who are currently campaigning for for candidates right now or who have done so in the past you can give us more feet on the street insights into this and before we get into listener mail. 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Full Show (Lakers/Magic, Aaron Hernandez, Conor McGregor, Chiefs, Packers, Kevin Durant, OBJ)
"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode Soda undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it welcomed on this new data. We are live from Los Angeles. I'm Jenny Taft. Here was skipped by. Listen Shannon. Sharpe how we doing good morning. We're doing great excited about the first question. I wonder. Why did we get to the questions? Yeah I had to put it on sale just throwing me happy you are right now we pack show for you today. Is Aaron Rodgers Getting Ready to upset the forty niners and are we seeing a new humble Conor McGregor Gregor. I've ever said humble with his name but first we got to start with Lebron James Whose Lakers had their nine game. Winning streak snapped against the magic last night. Lebron scored nineteen points and also tied a career high with nineteen assists. But it wasn't enough as Marco folds had a triple double for Orlando. Lebron had a chance to tie the game in the final seconds but missed a three pointer four seconds to give their first loss since Christmas. So Shannon could you please give Lebron a letter grade for last night. Well you lose the game. You automatically disqualified from getting a in my book. That's the way I enjoyed. Somebody else didn't matter what happened happened. They're getting a plus and and things. Everything's Okay but for me. That's not the case scale. I I gave him a seat and I gave him a see because I was disappointed with how he played the first quarter skip only the third time in his career. He had zero shot attempts in the first quarter. That's the first time that's happened since Oh six so it. It appeared to me that he came out. I try to get others involved knowing that. Okay you know. Hey I can get my get my shot. But he wrote he walks a tight wrote a fine line between trying and get other than Bob and still being able to get his points and getting other than Bob and getting himself out of rhythm and I thought last night he got himself out of rhythm skip and he really never able to get back into that rhythm he has. Some great looks at threes and they just didn't go down Cadillac on Christmas. The clippers would running up under everything and he has some great looks is in the ball. Just wouldn't go in. I thought some of his early turnovers get a the magic adding transition. He kind of started it because they turn the ball over a lot especially especially in the first half. He had three in the first half. He only had two in the second half. And I give you look at is kept safe well. The guy had a forty one assist to turnover ratio. You can did. You can live live with that but I hold the Bra I believe the best player still in the NBA. So I hold them to the highest highest standards in so I expect more from him nine thousand nine hundred eighty s can't argue with that. I would like to see a little bit more production in the rebounding area because I thought magic got a couple of second opportunities that I don't think they should have gotten But when you down. AD and you won't play in jail. You didn't play Jalen the white at the same time so basically you only I have one true big and so I thought Lebron got help in and got a couple of extra rebounds with that being said the positives get with the bench. You know he gets two points where you could live with that. uh-huh Troy Daniels Quinn Cook. who hadn't been playing a whole lot? Skip say don't forget about me I can. I can still contribute enjoy daniels. I still complain. Casey p hit some big shots so but skip the to answer the question. What grade you I give Lebron? I gave him a seat because I thought Last night the game they should have one and they let it slip away very interesting once again. I I gotta get a new TV. I I saw a completely upside down. Different game maybe I was. I don't know maybe. I flipped on the wrong house watching the rockets last night. I don't know I infused them with the Lakers. I don't know out but Shannon Sharpe ors I call you La Shannon Sharpe your man last night did not exactly help his. MVP case without once again. Anthony Davis and he continued tinge to close my longtime case that he is just not a closer because you did not mention what happened in the fourth quarter and I'm about to go into great detail about the fourth quarter because once again I saw no clutch gene from Lebron James in the fourth quarter so yes he did tie his career career high in assists. That's pretty great S. nineteen assists. Gets you know he's trying to get to a fault. Everybody else involved. But one thousand nine assists is hard to do and he did yes. I'm going to give him that but he once again stunk up another fourth quarter that his team needed him to take over because Orlando did come in hot. They'd one six eight but there's still a sub five hundred team playing without a starter Evan. -fornia who's really good so the all new up no oh Dj last night either so it was Lebron's time to take over what had been a back and forth game with two big runs. They fell behind by twenty. They made a huge run back in in. The fourth quarter was seesaw. All the way home and it should have been Lebron's game and because it wasn't I'm going to give him a D. as as in dog for the night and I am grading him on the strictest of scales because the man across from me continues to assert he is still the best player on the planet and he is the leading vote getter for the All Star game says the fans the billions of blind witnesses forum. So Oh yet again. We see another very typical. Lebron James Fourth Quarter. It started off really good and it went really sorry. Sorry because the first two shots that he took in the fourth quarter he made a big three it was at the end of the shot. Clock runs at his best. Because there's no decision he just shoots it with conviction and he made that one and then he drove it which he didn't do enough of it in the fourth quarter and had a nice little scoop left handed layup because he's ambidextrous then it started if we could start to see what happens from there. Eight forty three left. He misses three. Here we go. He missed three and they were up one at this point halfway down well and teen left here came the play of the night he got blocked by the ram on a Dutch late. Could that be quick donkey. Okay then we get another missed. Three at seven sixteen eighteen left and then we get another miss here. We go another drive. He'd Fades he missed in the corner about thirteen footer in three fifty nine and left. I don't know what he's thinking he just starts running with the ball and they just said you can't do that you have to dribble. That's a travel and then here we go again with another missed three. There were down down to at this point to thirty left. He tries to get the ball to Kyle Kuzma but he is pretty covered and that results in a turnover again that was the second turnover the fourth quarter and then with one forty left. He missed another late game. You can't do that. Because they were down to at that point and then he made a big big three. He made that one. That was pretty good with thirty three seconds left but then watch what Marquel Foltz does to Lebron James Lebron. You can't let little Marquel do that to you. You having a big game but you here we go. This is this shot to tie the game and it wasn't that close and then he goes up to court like that all Ooh no hold on way wind close with Ron. Don't give me you you say there's no pressure because that wasn't a win. The game tied the game so the game off. Though so knives the game remained the one with thirty three seconds left when they were down enforce. That brought it back to one. So I'm GonNa give you that but it wasn't like a doer Di sink or swim three point shot but I gotta go back to that Miss Dunk because that was all all time embarrassing and Jordan over Mr. Don't who Jordan Kobe. I don't think Jordan ever got blocked by the RIM on. He might have missed it long. Hard off the back Konso. So what's this was. This was Lebron James. This look like a year seventeen province me where you didn't quite have the explosion. If we could see the at one time he he gets wide. Open down the baseline. This is one. Where Luke would be laughing before he dumped it right? He was scared. He was expecting mobile. Who Longest Wingspan to come contest? That's what he's he he. He felt like he was going to come and win. He didn't Lebron was going to try to quit. Dunk Own Lebron did say. I don't know if we have that we have that sound of Lebron after the game. Yeah here we go. Let's listen to what he had to say to just kind of mistiming the jump realizing you know maybe the exactly where you're taking off from Nice taken off. You want to be part of the disrespectful team to take off from now. Mobile was around the rim so I tried to quick. Quick Duncan being a shot blocked at he tried to quit dot com. And now you know miss time to place a bond with the ball to the rim You know he he ended up not even I'm not even come to even make Templeton Bob so I kind of trick myself autodrome. Lebron took a little shot Dave McMenamin of ESPN has been pretty good til Lebron Ronnie's very objective. Be Disrespectful team to scale. Did somebody who were you took off from you. Demand with up under the basket. You how many to like you took off from the three point line. Space Jam so Lebron's contingent is that he tricked himself out of getting his dunk blocked by the ridden because because he thought Mogambo is coming. Obama just watched because Mugomba thought. It's just over. It's just done. He's going to slam. I'm this one right. There's nothing I can do except foul play. Okay hold on skipped. So why. What was the reason? Casey p the rim blocked him whether you're seventeen vaca- sleepy are we really going to compare. KCPT Lebron James. By the way he back ironed it with a contest at the rim. No he don't he. Don't I know I I saw hanging among those. No why do you do. All I'm saying is is that if you missed the don't you you missed. Don't with a hit the front rim outside of the rim or the back of the room and he got blocked by the side of the rim. I don't I've never seen that happen to Lebron James. He got blocked by the East. Just just some guy. We're talking about what come on. He didn't even start so when Kobe. Mr Don't what was that okay. Is this about Lebron or Kobe. Okay what what about Jordan so enjoyed Mister Dole. I'm not sure he ever missed one. I watched that Elon Jordan Games. I don't remember what you do. This is the bank the majority missing dump because I know He. Did I tell you the but you know we dated to skip bayless miss him but he might back iron them the dog. It looked like a year seventeen. I can't quite get the lift. Or maybe it was the the lingering effects of the flu like symptoms. Maybe he's still have no he. He warned self out up there on stage with bad bunny and then he just didn't have the legs. Okay the porn quarter. You say this was Lebron time but you see what happened. Troy Daniels headed cook. Had to go casey so he's passing the ball trying to get them involved now now if he just starts jacking up shots all over the place. You like Lebron passed a Bolo. Those other guys gotta go and you don't have it going so I mean how does he win So speaking of jacking up shots in the fourth quarter Lebron took nine shots in the fourth quarter. Let's see I'm looking down the list here. The next on his list was five from Albeit Quinn Cook. You believe win Komo shots taken in the fourth quarter and if I look at the magic shots attempted in the fourth quarter. Wow they don't have anybody over four. So Lebron by four shots took the most shots of anybody on either team in the fourth quarter and by the way I wanna point out once again. Lebron is running away with the NBA lead inch fourth-quarter shots attempted. He is now shot. Two hundred and twenty eight times in the fourth quarter next is James Harden it to eleven so he is now plus seventeen attempts in the fourth quarter on James Harden Shock James Harden and shots What does that matter so? Three more way the Lakers were twenty two Ino until last night against sub five hundred teams. Now they're twenty two and one in this was the classic Orlando Magic on a game where Lebron can say. I'll shoot nine times in the fourth quarter in. oftentimes they can pull away in a game like that especially when he gets that much. Help shockingly from his bench because look what to your point Quinn. Cook my three out of four. Threes and Troy Daniels made to of to threes. Wow that's pretty great. If you get that in the fourth quarter you should beat the magic where they lost. The game. Skill was the twenty nine eleven discrepancy at the free. Throw line and it's not so much much that they're filing skip their filing shooting threes and guys are going to the line and shooting threes. I mean you can't give up that kind of discrepancy but no you told me it everybody about it that will listen that Kyle Kuzma is the cold. Thank you for bringing that up. I'm glad you did. What did you do last night? He played all of three and a half minutes in the fourth with quarter. And if you can Mister Vogel explain that to me. I don't get it. You're you're playing troy. Daniels and Jared Dudley played seven and a half half minutes in the fourth quarter and Quinn. Cook played almost seven minutes. so He's going with the bench over. Kyle Kuzma guess how many shots call got in the fourth quarter last. It's not how many hitting the first call now none zero. I don't care because he's the closer on this. The reason I want to know one one thing was cal Kunsman even into discussion. What you here's you just brought him up? I didn't even know how much you said. Thank you so why is car. Coups Manet May in discussion but trade. If he what you say is I believe Lebron is threatened by him. Four shots in the fourth quarter. I watch what's about opt to happen. I think Lebron does not love Rajon Rondo and I think he's about to be gone and I think cal Kuzina will be gone for another addition that will fit better with Ron. Skip Lebron Rondo. He would've been back. The rondos problems kept is that he can't stay healthy. You saw this last year. What happened food? Who are these something he? He needs to drink more milk because he break more. Did anybody that I know for dope. He's also hard to get along with. I don't think Lebron loves is that so we'll we'll see is the trade. Were almost updating their line. So the point is I saw Kyle Kuzma at Dallas while it was Friday night then. I saw him at Oklahoma City city when Lebron had flu like symptoms on Saturday night and he was just lighting it up right he can be dead. I in but he's got in his head. The greenest light in the League I agree but I still say down the stretch of a close game. He will be. If you'll feed that beast. He'll he'll bring in you home. I think the thing is is that concerns them his inconsistency because if you see the first quarter skipped he doesn't have a rhythm he's not even trying to get anybody those he's the charts. Well that's what he does know times. Did you see him. Friday night Yeah but I saw him Friday Saturday night because Lebron was out there. Ad Within it out there but skip. You can't do that you have to you have to in what you see is not going. You just can't keep Willie Miller. He turned the ball over left and right and he's jacking up. I'm shot me grow at some point in time. Can you just pass it. Just get one past we get back to you d you shoot. Don't bring the ball down the court thank you career. Urban handles tossup a while shot. He had two turnovers last night but in the fourth quarter Kyle Kuzma got zero shots and I give Lebron. Did he did try to feed him on the elbow. That one time use. Obviously he's covered. It was a little bit forced and it turned into a turn over and that was when it was a one point game and that was a bad. Add play on Lebron but at least trying to do the quote unquote right thing. Get the ball to Kyle Kuzma. That's what that's why gave him a see. I told you the turnover it started. I think the first couple of possessions he had to bowl he turned over he turned it over late in the ball game. That's why gave him a C.. You think Oh you all oh you do give Lebron if that got you to give them a nail. I don't give anybody anything. They earn what they get from me. But you're C- wasn't based on any fourth quarter because you didn't mention in the fourth quarter until ideas interesting. They didn't come look they go on and run magic. Quayle they're run Lakers going another run uh-huh but in the course of that run. Lebron James is Assistant Troy Daniels. He's Assistant Queen Cook. He's Assistant Casey P. What really happens skip is is defensive? Rotations Javale McGee. Dwight Howard got lost awesome defensive rotations and they love boasts of its open for jump shot in a wide open three. That's that's what happens okay. You tighten up you lose you. Tell me just Jan this early January the game early January for let you tell me Lebron Janine member not there metal losing the game talk He. Shouldn't he bit they're playing right. They have been feasting on sub. As you mentioned interesting the only team played some five hundred team. Nobody'll play these teams the way the NBA is developing this year. It seems like everybody sub. Five hundred except the clippers and the Lakers. That's got it feels like a Utah. Utah they've suddenly started to take shape and so has denver but the thing is is that now 'cause the grammy's coming on the road for the for the next week nine Houston involved in merely the knicks. So we'll we'll find out a lot about them. We'll see what is going to do if eighty place I do. He might not play it until Monday. I think when they play the Celtics Boy was walking just fine up there on the sidelines. They Green Bay his. He's still out with bruised. Glued gloomiest maximum bruised tailbone. Okay the difference between walking on the sideline of the NFL gay and played professional basketball. I uh-huh cold up there. It's hard to Walk Jack. That's what I was concerned about. He wasn't bundled Chicago Kogo Rooting for the figure. Hello you root for the cowboys you from Oklahoma Oklahoma City Die Hard Dallas. The Oklahoma City is Dallas North. Trust me everybody went cowboy boots. He's here good friends that were cowboy. The Netcom the Green Bay packers I guess around the call into Kentucky. He was cool around the call. You gotta go there at the same time. Thank you. I'll I'll by by the way. Guess who another cowboy fan is the guy from Akron. How do you explain that? Luke grew up in Dallas. I grew up in Georgia. It's been a lot of time in Georgia Georgia. How many times in a room without the hawks the braves? I don't know I don't know probably did you know just because you're from a state that doesn't mean you have to root for the team that also play in that I'm allowed to go outside of the state. Eight of Georgia. Men have a favorite professional basketball football or baseball team. Just because Anthony Davis from Chicago. That doesn't mean you have to root for the bears. No it doesn't doesn't you just burned your bridge back to your hometown. Plus me they take that really personnel actually worked for four years in Chicago writing the lead column for the Chicago Tribune. So I know the Green Bay Chicago Riva's I know it inside out. We cannot do that. Eighty they leave you. Because are you root for the packers. They will never own team to begin with and by the way his his checks are written by somebody who owns the Los Angeles Lakers. So so least he could root for the rams just because you you live you play for a city gotTa root for the team also in that city when they do that. Dad Art no no so I'm going to go on record. I'm GonNa just dig in on this Kyle. Kuzma has to be the closer for this team. If it's going to do what you think it's going to be the clothing for somebody else and his correct. I believe that's where we are heading so it's going to be good luck to Lebron or to Anthony Davis the ER prints. Neither is a closed. All we ever been escape. I don't expect the best to give that production sixty two points because that now you get into Clip Bruce Bench with Louis of and I don't expect that but they could just give us consistent thirty money boy. I was thinking of Frank Vogel last night when he was doing that. Weird Fourth Quarter lineup. And I'm looking at the bench and I'm thinking Jason Kidd Lionel Hollins these these guys are you know they've been around. They have done all this head coaches but it's going to be a lot of pressure on him going forward because that was way out on the limb to me we've seen we've seen were benches. Get it hot and the coach ride. That bench will ride that wave even though because we saw that in the playoff with Lebron carry in Kevin Love with on the Bridge Lebron and a bunch of other guys brought them all the way back from twenty. Give Paul George you remember. I don't think Lebron James The unofficial coach going to love what happened last night. Because Jared Dudley played seven and a half minute play good. They gave me great hustle. He gave you a great house. Didn't even take a shot. You gotta three often one hundred three not in the fourth quarter now zero zero point seven and a half what what about the hustle play. Frank pushed a button that gave Avian Zero Hustle play. He was got to rebound yeah. He's I don't know my job events like he needs to get in the gym. But that's carved carved out nice Lord and he's not letting when you see if you're not exactly carved out of granite right okay. That'd be they called in and out Burger but without here. Great Guy. I Love Jared Dudley Jared Dudley. I don't know if I'd play. Seven minutes of seesaw. See saw game late in the fourth quarter. He plays a role in. That's the thing you need. Guys understand their role and fulfill their role in. That's what he did. Give me just one of those nights. the ball wasn't going in for Lebron. They had some opportunity when they had a four point lead. I thought that they could have could have extended maybe six. I said Holy agree where they just they. They just couldn't get over that Hump and give give the magic credits. Getting Marquel folks may plays. He did a up and under thank on sale. We did some great English Tale Tale. Showed me the first night I've ever said. Oh I see that now. They took him long. Made me mad. Guess what he had on the Bra. Seventeen read oh Oh now take down the red carpet on Lebron although you saw busa bitch mid a picture of the BRA ending reading both you make the same when you lose all over and Lebron had him right at the rim. And how Paul's Marquel six three. Maybe six Damian Shot that he made skin and that was a career type. Shong last quick point to your point. Seven sixteen left Lakers up for Lebron misses. The the three Lakers up for six fifty four left. Lebron misses a thirteen foot. Jumper to your point of view. Those shots go in that. Could that could be the death knell. It happens okay. So what do we now are. We eight thirty three thirty three a day. You are thirty three and eight and four and a half game lead tops on the West. It's over still. You got a little windy we've got Takes a little bit the six. Yup We do. That was a blow to your little blow. whoa Okay Lakers for now? They're back in action. Saturday and eastern like you mentioned a new Netflix Docu series debuted yesterday. Detailing how Aaron Hernandez went from star tight end for the New England patriots to convicted killer. The documentary used interviews from those who who knew Hernandez throughout his life to explore his disturbing path Hernandez died in prison in two thousand seventeen after being found guilty of the murder of his future brother in law in in twenty thirteen Shannon. I know you watch the whole thing. I watched some of it as well. What did you learn from this skip? I will never ever make excuses assist for someone that did what Aaron Hernandez did. I will never have sympathy for someone. Even though he ended up taking his own life. I'll never have any sympathy for someone that made the choices that he made but watching that it gave me a glimpse of what set him on the path in which he ultimately chose. I think two things for me watching in his entirety. And I'M GONNA go back and watch it again to make sure I didn't miss anything to things death of his father. What is mom immediately dead at the death of his father? Those were the culmination is skipping. If you get as you get into a Jimmy you'll see. He's talking to his mom. You don't know what you did to me. You ruin me she doesn't NFL. Come come on Erin stop it. She doesn't see what she did. And what called the pain that he was suffering. I believe the reason why he gravitated toward the cousin because it was because her that the mom took it is true so he can sympathize with her pain because he was in so much pain but what his mom indeed. Yeah leave mom day because that was a way of coming up today husband because they said he was abusive to her he was according into the dock. Yes yes skill. He was dealing with a lot of things. I did not know this that. He if the be true his quarterback back in high school and he had his sexual relationship now. There are a lot of professional sports in America like football in football basketball baseball but none of them have more testosterone driven than football is achieved there the image that comes along with that. There's a reason why they say is all the down aloe in the closet because the last thing you want to have happen if something of that nature to come out your your football. It's not just a football player. You A bit warmer guy. He's the guy in high school Play the player of the year in Connecticut of the year so skipped best that sets him Pat. Not Excuse me because it's give environments play a huge part good embiid skip you notice I get on here and I talk a lot about my grandmother. My grandfather I talk about my upbringing because they had a positive impact. My grandfather died when I was eight years old. There's no dominant male figure. Both in the house they could have been a time. That may remember what you're GonNa do great and you can't do anything with us. We already your size but we chose to be on our best behavior when his father path path. That was his opportunity to do. The hilly wanted to do because his father is boot on his neck. Yeah it's also say the documentaries that he was very close to them because he wanted to be a cheerleader it is oh no here you not skill he also when you went and I think the thing is when his father daddy got it was supposed to be a package deal. His brother was already quarterback at UCONN. That's where he was supposed to go. His father played it. You is a legendary star Bristol. Central High School Google. It was his father passed. His Mother did was she. Did you like I need to get the hell away from here. I'll go as far away from you if they possibly can. So his mom is one of the ninety five in Connecticut. He's on the other night. If I died in Gainesville Florida crazy. That part he gets the Florida. What did he liked? Well hold on. I'm catching passes. I'm doing things Bartender Abra you gotTa Tab here. Bob Pushes them mini ear busted. They're drawn that's keeping the south. A lot of these colleges are in small towns. Their college sales. Do you really want to be the guy. The press charges Aaron Hernandez gets gets kicked off the team against them suspending where he can't play so he started to understand these things listening at him talk while he was in jail and he's talking to his mom and he's talking to his fiancee he he he has he had. He had an anger issue. No question about that. And his fiancee calls era. They came here and they searched the house again and he doesn't understand why she's upset. He's they keep doing this and he's like well at least you got your free you you you not only did you bring that on yourself. You brought that me it is like what are you he. Hey the fall for her so skip. It offered me a glimpse into what started this. But give no matter what I can get my car and start going somewhere somewhere aware but I can also make choice. You know what I'M GONNA turn and go left and I'm GonNa go back home on maternity go right but he proceeded on the road that led him to wear let let him so skip. I'm not offering excuses because there was a choice. I have no sympathy because I believe three people lost their lives the double murder he got he acquitted awaited window but Odin Lloyd. We know for fact that he'd point out that the car involved in the double murder with it is and it was with garage and they discovered years later searches designed for right and his cousin was so loyal ended up costing her life. Because you're dealing with cancer and she would you no. You're not going to get the treatments that you would get in jail that you would get outside She wrote it out. She wouldn't budge because they had that skip. I believe they had a bomb because of what they shared it was her husband and it was his mom. Would that be what they did and they bonded. It was her house that he could go to and do whatever he he wanted to do. Yeah because that wasn't allowed at home. That was the first place he started to fall in with the wrong people and then went to Gainesville. He Fell Glenn with worse right okay so we are right now on a slippery slope and I'm glad you prefaced what you said with your concerns about out this slippery slope because just me. I learned a whole lot about Aaron Hernandez last night. I did not know a lot of people did. Did that. Create any sympathy in me. Not Not an ounce of sympathy hero. He shot and killed in cold blood a friend of his. And then to your point I believe he had something to do with the killing of the other two earlier. So the I learned a lot more about the why of Aaron Hernandez know why for his precipitous fall from grace and the New England patriots and the big he got a contract a second deal with them. Forty million five year forty million deal right in the middle. It was two days after that the double murder right skit. What timing but people don't realize I'd go there and Hernandez he gronk aiming in the same year? He missed two games. He had more than more yard than Gronk rookie season. He did was a force for that team. He was gift he was traffic. Kelsey Elsie George Kendall. He was there because he had wiggle. He could do that with the power guy. But they've got to run routes remember against the Bronco they put him in the backfield tossing the ball. Forty five the Tibo playoff game. After Tibo beat Pittsburgh. He had to go to foxborough right. And he got annihilated. Because Aaron Eric Hernandez took the game over the over tailback pill and route. That's a tidy and doing that. And they got him in the fourth round. Why why did they get him? Because everybody knew about all the off the field at Gainesville people took him up there. And I'm going to get to that in just a moment but again back to your point slippery slope I did learn a lot of the why. But we've all been through things. I had a terrible childhood I had. You can read it on my facebook page and here I am it. It was not pretty but was it a reason for me to go shoots up. No no point then you have to go north or South. Are you going to do and I guess. He wasn't equipped to go north. But I don't have any sympathy for him but I'm enlightened as to Hawaii because the most shocking of all came the on camera interview with his high school quarterback and the young man was just forthright about we had a relationship and they also had his father on camera hammer who is a corrections officer who was also very sympathetic into a son. I wish I'd been more supportive. I didn't know but the sun was making it very clear that he and Erin were horrified at the prospect of anybody finding out the two stars at Bristol Central High School were having a relationship and shit and that Aaron was horrified that his father would find out because he was domineering as you say and occasionally abusive and I did the note that it just came and went. I'm interested that you picked up on it. Fascinated was at one point. He wanted to be a cheerleader and his father. Nixed that idea like that that you would think that he would yes. So he's following in his father's legendary footsteps and I know Bristol Central. I drove by thousand times because I spent so much time at ESPN in Bristol Connecticut. And it's it's not a bad neighborhood. It's a middle classy sort of neighborhood and it's a really good high school. That's in a lot of kids to a lot of big schools academically. It's a good place. Licensed right so it's not. It's not that he went. He came from a really bad. Nope nope that's not what was going on. But at home a lot of things were going on on and then his father died when he was sixteen in that sent him spinning because he lost the discipline the structure father provide in his life so so the bad was actually good for air and because it formed a bond between them but also he was afraid of him. So it kept him on the straight and narrow would quarterbacks when his dad would come around air was okay I got straight nope okay. So if his dad had stayed alive wooded help save Erin. I don't know maybe possibly awesomely right okay. So then two things happened because of the bisexual relationship that they are reporting in the Netflix documentary. There's speculation that Odin Loyd a good friend of his new about his bisexuality and he feared Aaron feared that Odin. Lloyd might tell his girlfriend. Who is the a sister of errands fiancee? Who is the mother of his daughter Grit and that that horrified him enough that he finally said I've got to end his life right right right and then there's is also speculation that when newsroom? Excuse me Newsweek. Reporter went on W. E. E. R. Radio in Boston two days before Aaron took his own life in prison right and she disclosed on air that he had a prison boyfriend that somehow that got back to Aaron in just a shame of it. The embarrassment of there's speculation that that helps spur him to take. You could hear him when he's talking to his fiancee and he's and he's talking about it in them and she said don't I'll say that they're transient gender. They're people just like you know that was his mom. I think that was one point. He was disparaging to gays in prison to his mark up it might have been but I think he will on the right yes and she. She explained their people like you for like he was going overboard. Board to deflect deflect. Okay I got it but but you know what would impress me. Is that what what the Sheriff said he says when we get people like him in here we put him on suicide Bruce. I watch because this is a shock to them. They've never been in a situation like this before you go from having everything and you hear so a lot of people that we put them on suicide suicide watch and he says we talk to him and he said you know you know what you are you in jail. He Says No. I'm not I'm in training camp still. I've had homeboy. Oh boy that went did a dime did script. They basically sharp. My body was in prison man my mind Glenville man. I'm so I'm thinking about the time we had we play football. He says if your mind is ever incarcerated. Yep It's over for you so Aaron Hernandez understood in order for him to survive as long as he did yeah he had to compartmentalize department allies. And that's what that's what made him great skit. If you take Brett Farve. His Dad died. His mental is coach of dead. He had the best game of his career. You're a day later at Oakland. Carpark miniaturize the really good. When you look at Michael Jordan? He's sick with the flu. Gap Really go get could save. Okay I got this going on but now it's time to do this. That is correct so quickly back to the New England patriots. Obviously they knew all about what he was doing in Gainesville football but he wrote a letter to nick. Sarah who's the personnel director. Obviously four bill check and Robert Kraft. That was very convincing. That take a chance on me. I won't let you down right. And they bought into that bell check as a history of buying into giving you a chance because maybe be in my structure myself coffee. You're father figure right. And he took a shot. It paid off hugely for right. And when you get Aaron Hernandez in the fourth-round they got growl because he had a bad back right okay so I don't know if you blame them for this okay. Yeah flag red flags if somebody's going to be a murder. Yup I get rid flagged. Okay the guy might have a problem with drinking or doing drugs or are fine. Yeah yes guilty. uh-huh ms curfew things like that. But that's a huge deal to go to take someone's life now. Yeah we had Aaron Hernandez on the other show on ESPN and he came across to to me even off camera as likable. Like a nice guy who was very concerned that you liked him run it. He's very concerned. Viewed him did come. Ah Yes document. He knew it'd be very playful on camera and like kidding playwright old but he was very concerned that that you did him right on television in. That's the sexuality you got it you can't if you net Aaron Hernandez he's a starting to NFL that can't come out and we can't let the key. Let that be known you let that be like I said. There's a reason why they're giving names. Say you're in the closet. They say the download and he had with the guy with the Callahan. I think with the offensive Lineman Ryan Cal. Okello O'Callaghan saying things that he did. He was an awful line for the Patriots from six eight in started some games for the a one game for the Oh seven which was the wreck writing things that you do. He said a lot of times mandatory in this position they have wives lives. They have kids too so you don't make. He said beard beard so you don't think anything's going on but I outlet that's what they say in the documentary maybe Lord had no new found out that he was this way and because something set him off at no other time had he ever ever sent a message to his sister and says you know who I'm with you know. Nfl just so you know something. Set Him off. Something raised is in China China. But Man I just at two thirty in the morning would you own obviously. So there's no surprise. Is this trended number one all day long into the night right on. US trends on twitter. Yeah it was very well produced. It was to listen it helps. Let's get. He actually thought he was going home. Game he thought he was going home. Yep Of course back to compartmentalizing when this is over is. I don't know if you saw this part is moms say. Give me a million dollars. And you know I'll be set for WADA. How will give you a million dollars what you are on fire with this documents documents? You're going to watch it again. I am GonNa Watch it again but if he has hatred hatred not dislike. He had deep seated seated hatred for his mom and he never forgave her for what he did. You feel for the Odin. Lloyd's family as well as out again. And I I kept thinking about that during the documentary but well done and definitely worth launch. We're going to shift gears to Conor McGregor egger. Who is back? He's making his return to the octagon this weekend. Fighting Donald Cowboy Sironi in Las Vegas McGregor hasn't won a UFC matchup chop since two thousand sixteen and his pastor years on the losing end of some fights may have humbled him as he was surprisingly respectful and complementary during a prefight. Right news conference yesterday. Take a listen for yourself. That's one hell of a Khotan of my God. I gotTA give credit. Where credit is the? I don't know whether you've got lawyers the baby here. You know what I mean. But that's a Damn Good Cobra. What is it? That was a crocodile. Paulie good. It's hard not to respect Donald Right now at this stage and he has respect and although there will be blood spilled on January eighteenth it will not be bad blood and for domestic Mike Prediction it will be Aka. Okay Oh okay. How about that hat cannon? What did you make of the way? Connor handled himself. I'm not surprised because the last time we've seen conor McGregor vice gift he got. TKO He got choked up so give his heartache bravado and then you talking about the bad no. You're not because the last time we saw you. You were slumped on the canvas the time before that we saw the referee waved at all because you had had enough cabinets. I'll give you a whole pint tail light. It might get me one probably like that call yet color. No doubt about this look. Conor McGregor has had a rough last couple. Years have been rough on inside the ring and outside. I mean it goes back to you know. He's just nasty guy phone in Miami and broke that stop. Don't hit the allegations of sexual assault sucker punched a man in a bar in Ireland and then the last two times. He's in a where the square octagon. He got. Beat netscape road right now. I mean something I mean. He had great. You know his press conferences. I mean the great except one with him in. Ah Floyd Mayweather because I think both of those. I thought both those guys stepped over the line with the racist. And your Ashley O'Connor stereotypical stuff skip. But you've gotTa Cross Roads Skip because if you're not if you remember correctly I know a female that went down the same path her name is Rhonda Rousey whipping everybody and she gets you on the grassy our body she leg lock you and it was over. Yeah but all of a sudden women say you know what we're not GonNa let you go to ground. I'm not going to the ground I'm GONNA kick in your face and then amend the the new Nares who we were in New York Amanda new. That's over here. I was right here and she was right there and she said I'm going to beat her and I remember you and I have to say though but she said she's is going to beat her off. Yeah what did you react over. You run your new it. Yes you run-through Ronda Rousey. She wanted blood. He needs to skill what we see from Connor. If he can keep it up he can get you. 'cause he's amateur boxer. He has preen box skill. He went twelve rod with floor. Say whatever you won't floor with thirty nine with thirty say whatever you want. He went ten rounds in would arguably the greatest boxer especially in his weight class ever that speaks volume to his skill set. But we're he's crumbles if they ever take him to the ground is is like when OBI got him on the ground he was there for the rest of the round. It takes so much out of you. He doesn't understand how to get back up. So I'm Macau Macau Surani. Did an interview on the podcast. said I'm thinking about everybody said no don't do they had taken to the ground but I'm thinking about fighting his fight. Why guys make that mistake skip? My my job is to win the skin. That'd be that'd be the equivalent of the Tennessee. Titans says you know what we go beat the Kansas City chiefs game. We will let Ryan Tannehill Thought About Fifty Tab ad showing why you objective is to win. You want you want to prove you are if you beat him. That means away. I was a better fighter Ryder but he says he wants to stay hope that he just fooling connor skip. I'm not surprised that he took this approach. Because it's kind of hard to be Brash. Ask when you've been tapped out at you've been Tko and that's what happened to connor in his last fight. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised but I kept sitting there saying Connor. Where are you where did you go? Who is this guy? I caught her. Come on you're the greatest prefight entertainer in the history of any sport. I've never been flu. Oh you view. Yeah after all league except Connor will go over the line. And it's like stand up comedy it's like x-rated standup comedy. He's gifted good at it. Yes I saw next to none of that yesterday because Ginny use this word earlier in the show humble connor. I'M GONNA put a D. on on the end of it. He got humbled because he knows what happened. The last time he went after Habib's fit his wife heritage digital culture religion. Yup everything he went after him and he nearly paid with his life hadn't been stopped he would have been choked out literally. Yes right Yep he nearly got his head cold because he was up against pure rage because could be going to get even with him. He's going they're put him back in his place and he did and now you won't find him again because he's done with. That did what he wanted to do. And now I didn't even recognize them anymore. So I was is listening to a Conor McGregor. Yesterday he does want to do this anymore. He's actually campaigning. To box. Floyd again and Floyd is almost forty three years of page or pack. But that's that's his plan B. O.. If I have to all box pack yahoos forty one now not there and he knows if he boxes Floyd Floyd not a big puncher and it's not going to feel good but it's not gonNa really hurt. He's not he's not gonNA take your head off right right so you could box. Floyd wait for ten or twelve rounds and you could walk away pretty much right and without any real serious injuries. Probably not and yet in this ring in this octagon you can get hurt yes. It's hard Dana. White said once you make one hundred million dollars you don't feel like getting up in the morning and and getting slugged in the face with basically no gloves right now. It's just nothing. And so he's taken so many shots that I think they were. Both these are too old warhorses cronies thirty six right and they've been in a lot of quote unquote wars right. Yes and so. They were basically acknowledging G.. H. Other with respect. We both been out there. We've done all this. Let's just go out there and put on a good show. That's what they're both saying. Let's put on a good show we're going to entertain you you but let's hope there between the lines are saying. Let's let's hope we don't hurt each other and there's GonNa be no disrespect there's GonNa be no trash. There was some half hearted arted trash talk near the end. When Floyd Floyd counter used one of the old lines that he did about I can read cowboy like a children's book? Well he said said that like eight years ago okay and then they had half hearted exchanges about that and then the shock to me was the final question of the press. Conference was asked By somebody who shocked me and it was the highlight of the whole press conference. If we could see that final question please do more. You've gotTA question. Go ahead buddy. Before I bet this money is how confident are you in Saturday's fight. Welcome to the best show on the ultimate fighting championship. Where have you so and I'm extremely confident that you can tell I'm coming in? We're we're we're full preparation full commitment and full confidence in my in my striking abilities on my shots. And who knows maybe a submission. But I'm going to be going for the knockout so Chad Johnson awesome pops up out of nowhere in Dana dated recognize. We knew we wanted to ask you a question. And we didn't see the very first but he's a little Chad was a little tentative and he introduced introduced himself as Ocho Cinco here so we still back to that. He's reporting on the fight so he's sort of goes around and around trying to ask a question Russian about. I'm here to bet the House. Should I bet on the house on you and you're going to say right. Oh I don't know I'm not sure I would bet the House on countering. That's what's so impressive. When you see these guys have like a beep? Had this long win streak Nunez. Has this winning streak John. Johnny Bone Jones. There's never tasted defeat but in order to cover connor for the wild. Kinda was the face of a for the USC but in order to continue to be the face what you gotTa do you gotTa win you. You can't keep taking you to phase bill by the new face and by the way he is not WanNa fight since November twelfth of two thousand sixteen which is when we saw Amanda Right back when we were in New York right before you at Madison Square Garden. I although it was Alvarez. Yeah I'm I'm losing track. I mean that's three months ago. Four to twenty now okay. And he's only twice was against Florida and once against it could be that's it okay. So why is he doing it now. Partly for the money and partly because I think he he just feels responsible to his fans like they're like. Where are you duty mosque at that? That is not what they won't use CONOR McGregor the talk himself back into being Conor McGregor but he's he's saying nothing offensive to his opponent because even allowed the opponent Honan he's he's GonNa Fight Him at one seventy which is going up in so cowboys is thankful he's he's arrested in his gratitude. Thank you for letting me fight at one seventy. I didn't have to lose anyway. Also skip because at one forty five win fifty five so he doesn't have the losing the weight he's all the to do. Maybe two or three pounds. These striking bill the guy that walked around seventy one seventy five okay. So let me tell you. When they faced off after the press conference COBB was much big? Catholic talkies. Half the size of cowboy proud walked around one ninety. Five mine was just my hair. He looked like it yesterday. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's definitely the bigger man. Yeah yes so this this. I don't think there's going to be easy for Com Humboldt. Connor still leave him saying that but in be wins. I don't know if we I just can't see it. tyreek Hill may have given the Tennessee. Titans some unwanted bulletin board material though hyping offensive unit by telling reporters quote. I feel like nobody in the. NFL can guard any of US Shannon. Did you like him saying this. I don't have the problem with it but come Sunday. You're going to have to back that up. They lost four games. So guess what somebody there stopped all of you. You lost four games. I don't know people know old this but they lost three of the game. They today South Houston beat them in the regular season. Tennessee beat him in. The regular season ended beat him in the regular season so three teams from one division beaches. Stopped you so you can't be stopped on any given Sunday. Remember you at this point last year. Did they wasn't Bozo. Guess what somebody stopped. I got no problem with scale. That's the thing I love love about sport. You can do all the talk you want. But come Sunday or Saturday or whatever that particular sporting event is back up. We'll say tyree now now coming in with a boatload of confidence because they just stopped the team that scored more points in the regular season and they stopped building and beat them twenty twenty eight twelve so that feel confident coming in and they've already beaten you so it's not like daylight. Mayor is going to be team man. You who we got our work cut up they respect you but not in fear of you so we're gonNA find out I'm looking now you said it ain't nobody guard now they they don't win this game. We beat ourselves. I want to hear none of that by no official none of that. Yep I want you to commend genesee times. If they put that thing on you expect Moore homeboy. Couldn't give me one of those virtuoso. That's what I'm expected. Because he's unstoppable right. Ooh Ooh best in the game right now He will you talking about the best of the gay right now and football team eh chiefs Yeah so I got no problem with that. You know I did a lot of talk but hey shape okay and if you can back it up you can talk better be able to back it up so I like tyreek confidence at this moment. I don't love his bravado because of what they're up against I think Tennessee is a quiet force. I think they're being a little under estimated. A little underrated you. You think that Kansas City is being a little under appreciated with the point spread but this team all of a sudden has caught quiet fire because us on Defense Tennessee. If you look at their body of work for the whole year they're middle the very but to your point they just went up to to Belichick and Brady and held them to thirteen. And I know Brady's offense struggled all year but still to go up there and Fox playoff game and hold them to thirteen four offense offense Yup. That's pretty great. Yeah and then to go to the number one offense on hold them to twelve point Wale. You're doing something. VP YEP VP. He is runaway. MBBS and to your point back. We tend Sunday November. I'm sorry I'm sorry. It's November. Remember tenth at Tennessee. Some Al Tennessee. Beat you thirty five thirty two and you talk yesterday about. They got some bad breaks and they got a field goal blocked at the end of the game. And this happened and when that happened in this happened but the final score Tennessee knows a one thirty five to thirty in Tennessee knows it got down to my homeboy ten. Did Nothing and Tennessee knows. Got Down Twenty two to twenty going into the fourth quarter and then my homeboys scored again. It was twenty nine to twenty with eight minutes left in the game when he hit McColl Hartman for sixty three yards and a touchdown and you would think that would be a blow twenty nine to twenty and then guess what Ryan Tannehill and company do they go on a fifteen to three. Run down the stretch to win the game. They go on a ten play. Seventy five yard drive have to cut it to twenty on twenty seven and then Kansas City. Mambo he drives down and it got to be third and eight at the Tennessee. Twenty one this is is the game on the line. This is three twenty four left if he does what he often does if he completes one tyreek. They're going to win this football game. They stopped the play. Okay so they weren't unstoppable on that play. Somebody guarded tyreek on that play. Something went wrong because they were forced to kick nick a field goal there so now they're only up thirty two to twenty seven and here comes of all People Ryan tannehill four plays sixty one yards. And it's little. Adam Humphries for twenty three to win the game and again. Kansas City got a fifty two yard field. Goal at the Buzzer Block. Right okay so they did that so in order for you to kick you go. Somebody's DOT that's why I'm saying. Okay so Tennessee is coming in with quiet under the radar confidence. I think they're really. They're they're physically mentally tough. They're well coached and they believe in what they're doing because it's keeps working on the road and a man or any woman that beats someone in something feels feels confident. They can do it again. Yeah that's just the way. That's just the way the mind is why. It's so Tennessee. Beat you they believe they can beat you again. They believe they have the formula. The same they used against New England. They ran the football down there through the same formula. They ran it down. y'All Baltimore's through and you remember Henry. He ran for book. Eight eight against you you did. That was sort of the first glimpse of. Oh you do that. That's true old. Last eight games. He ran for twelve over twelve hundred yards art. Three straight plus one eighty three. Yeah and again. If you can do that you can help keep a quote unquote middle pack. Defense off the feedback. Afraid they don't get worn down. I mean so you got your work cut out for him. I expect him to play well because they skip I get it. They got a lot of weapons with Sammy Watkins. Who ran for five coming out? Is your slowest receiver. You gotTA got his run out for three. You've got another guy rail like four three one four three four you got ah Marcus Robinson. That's probably hi four three low fours you got travis. Kelsey are going to be one of the two best. I argue. I one of the best pass catching tight. He and George Jordansekulow. I think women have you wanted in that third and fourth. I'm not gonNA fight you over then. Loaded get the guide is pulling the trigger off the land of the great job or protecting it. I do so that and they better do it again. That's the thing though. Skip if you do not get pressure on this kid and we will pick your part. Yep because because you can't you can't you can't give him that kind of time to just sit back there and just pat pat ball okay. tyreek they tie rigs run everybody off off Harman's run everybody off. Oh they singling Kelsey one on one okay council here take. You can't do that. They'RE GONNA have to get pressure. And you might have to take unnecessary risks and blitz blitz a couple of times. And you know you you don't leave some of these speeches one to one today. Just hold on and hopefully we can get there but somehow you better tackle tackle number twenty two. No you bet attack before gift started too late if we give towards your data for you I saw Anthony. Hitchens wants a Dallas Cowboy talking yesterday for the chiefs saying you have to get his legs you have to take his legs out from under him because if you don't if you try to get him a pie he's just going to bounce off and he's going to keep going well. It's a nice idea to get his legs. Now go do the right you. You must make him check or started skip. You gotTa make him check those feet. You can't let him just get the ball well and everybody who start letting them get going if he gets going. Through the Line of scrimmage guilt and you hadn't made him change directions. Well he's going to fall seven so now a second and three they will give it to them again. I down so I know tyreek is feel real good about himself feeling full of himself but the point was they were down twenty four to nothing now one of the most lightning comebacks in the history of sports hair but they were down twenty four to nothing at all. I don't know if there's another team that can score or twenty eight point nine nine and a half meter is not that is true though the way that one went down so you feel coveted skill man. You know what we did we squeeze. GORDO's autozone straight possessions. Yeah we were down twenty four we got next for positions we had the ball. We got twenty eight points. They feel confident they can go get the points but you gotTa have the ball doc. I don't y'all look at Kansas City. Defense the defense takes always give that. Oh we will get a pick six or scoop scoop and score but you gave Frank Clark Tournament. He did for this game you sign. You signed soaks this game you did. You gave honey badgers and you did for this game. That's what you pay. Yeah when you start this what you pay for games like this this is it. This is a game they should win at home about homeboy. Overhaul were legacy skill you already got the MVP swollen VP REGULAR-SEASON MVP by year three. You want a little pressure on them. Did you just predict super bowl all. Let's see what I'm saying. Look at that. That'd be a win this. I'M GONNA present revie like that. ooh I'm looking forward to the official game predictions from both of you guys. I don't know this is GonNa wait to see what his contract will not out of. I don't think a Clark Hunt like our own. No give a hometown discount. I'm thinking of the two hundred meter rain canton. ooh I forty million dollar quarterback thinks three hundred million baseball. You'll get some good good morning. The Lakers had their nine game. Winning streak snapped against the magic last night. Lebron scored nineteen points and also dished out a career high nineteen assists. But it wasn't enough as colts had a triple double for Orlando. Lebron had a chance to tie the game came late but missed three with four seconds to give away their first loss since Christmas. And we now join me Fox. Sports analyst Christopher Dart. Good Morning. Good Morning I would like to know a letter grade for you when you're looking at Lebron and his performance last I cannot give heir Gordon and Markelle full today yes even Dan. Gordon has some of the greatest dunks season. Don't do as well. Yes all right so Lebron. This is tough because obviously there's some great things career nineteen assists and he did some not so great things. I'm going to give him a seat. I'm going to give him a C. I hate to use that gray but I'm gonNA give him a seat first of all the nineteen career. Says he was incredible as a playmaker. No question about it and I think thinking thinking about Lebron's mentality he's always thinking strategically I think he may have been thinking mediocre opponent. Nine Game Win Streak streak let me get the other guys. Let we're going to need Quinn Cook. Perhaps down the line. We're going to need obviously. ACP Troy Dare. We might need him to come in his career. Dudley Dudley as much took real premium a deadly put it on the floor aligned. I'm art but those other three guys all got double figures shots so I think he was getting him involved a he. You you know Jordan used to do this too sometimes not shoot as much early. Try to take over late. I think Lebron thinking and even afford some good assists yes you know the one unacquainted cook you bring them with the point. With like four minutes left the one McGee for the dunk late and then he hit a couple threes in the fourth to the bad defensively. He was one of many Lakers. Who was just a and I look? I don't expect keep Markelle Fultz in front of him. But Aaron Gore Gordon Gordon was able to get them to so defensive struggle. My biggest problem was the too late turnovers in the fourth. The four minutes and then about a minute later the the travel the bad pass. Those were the biggest problems I had with. Lebron did he had nine points in the fourth five. I know only shot three for nine but as as often as the dunk it happens. I mean it happens. Ducking our to jared Dudley Eh. Do we think he can't duck anymore. It happens I do you in hindsight you say hey you lay it up. That's a big basket. Maybe you're going to go Chris. Lebron laid that ball up. Somebody said I go call. But he's this across would be our remember back in the day Michael Jordan. Talk Talk I right so I'll look out and we'll have a problem with that. The missed three. Good move to get the look right. Couple pump nice pump fake and like a lot of his threes. Because I think he missed his first six or seven or something like that. It was online a lot of threes right online back at the rim or in and out and and this was back at her in front of the rim out. Yeah it happened you miss you miss game winners. He took it. He took it with confidence. Look I auto. I got no issue with that. You missed it you missed it so I think the bigger picture. What's in the grand scheme? What's more important getting Quinn Cook? Choi Dan using these guys confidence up and thinking okay. We can be players if they need us or beating Orlando on a Wednesday in January. And I'm like you're trying to push it up to you know what about a C.. Plus but I okay so he goes see. Plus what is the Shannon you already do. I gave up said that he ruined by. I had oh special special to wait on this. I waited a whole week or a bit and I was going to break here today in the bride. I gotta put it on is whether they'll be back and beat the rockets little Saturday. I'll be able to break out for Monday Jabre Mondays in NFL Day on this the game no to rocky. What are the Braga for trueblue? I'll put a call triple double Oughta just ask and you shall receive dilemma homer over four hundred but either way once you ask him to dump say like please don't see other. Uc Body now bodybags earlier. This year. Why are you picking a little bit Aletha you like? Wow you know. He can't already do. I gave gave him a seat and say rees thought he walks a very fine line. A very tight rope for trying to get guys to involve and going to long. He take a shot in the first quarter. That's the only the third time in his career and that's the first time since we twenty twenty. Let's think you're poor seconds. Give alone as men and I think it through about his rhythm because going look at Lebron is like most NBA. Their rhythm guys is hard just a man Utah quarterback. We don't want you to throw any passes the first quarter with we want you to come out for the rest of the game now. That's not how it works until the broad rhythm was thrown off. I thought awesome great looks of big going on his greasy as the three ball. It looked. I'm sure bill good. It looked good for where I was sitting. But it just didn't go in nineteen hundred S. I say eighteen I count that lab where they were down four so he got ninety but if it really does it. But but when you're talking about Lebron James you're talking about the Creme de la Krill. He that the top of the mountain He's only limps uh-huh and so you have to hold them to the highest and you have to the harsher critique for the best players and he didn't get it done last night you can't even oh you can't start out by eight with losing. So how well they played. You lost the game but I gave them a city. 'cause I know Lebron played better to turn over. These started early in the game. Turn the ball over. He tried to go behind his back of. Wendy bounced off his shoe and I thought that started it because in the first quarter everybody who just turned into ball love with the basketball. And that's one of the things they have to guard against. Yes is turning the ball over. I thought late deepens. Our rotations developing the White House. Not Getting out on guys with the three point shot. But I'm not concerned about that. 'CAUSE WE GOT thirty three words right now. Ah but I got fired cases where I'm looking at something like sixty one sixty two win so it's my turn and somebody on this panel is going to have to be objective. Objective falls on my shoulders. I am going to correctly. Give Lebron for last night's performance especially the fourth quarter A. D. as in dog because I am grading on these strictest strictest highest order because I just heard Mount Olympus Creme I'm GonNa look grim or best player on the planet earlier in the show so how can I not give him a D for that dog of performance for the the quarter he continues to close my case my longtime case he is not a closer the great irony. The a fascinating irony of last night was I've said from the start. The closer for the two thousand eight hundred twenty Los Angeles Lakers has to be Kyle Kuzma. Somehow he is being rejected even though we saw him explode on Friday night at Dallas and explode with no idea. No Lebron on Saturday night at Oklahoma City explode because he is capable and he's fearless and he loves the fourth quarter spotlight and you have to feed him and get him rolling and you have to live. Live with an occasional missed jacked up shot. Because that's who he is night was. Would you believe Kakuta played three and a half minutes of the fourth quarter and got up zero shots last night. That's all you need to know for the record. Lebron James took nine shots in the fourth quarter last night light which were for more than any other player on either team on the floor last night which jacked up Lebron's fourth quarter total for the season. Two Two hundred and twenty eight fourth quarter shot attempts that is by far number one in the whole. NBA that seventeen clear of second. James Harden it to eleven just for the record. He's trying to close and he is failing to close repeatedly and this time it came against yet another sub five hundred team even though the magic have improved. They've won six of their last eight games and yet last night they didn't have Evan -fornia and nor nor DJ and here they came and they go up twenty then. Here come the Lakers Bush back and now it's a seesaw. Game in the fourth quarter Lebron credit for this because it was a typical fourth quarter from Lebron. Because to Chris's point he did tuna three left. He nailed a big three sales at the end of the clock. I love him at the end of the car. There's no decision to be made. He knows okay. Now I gotta shoot this and shoots it with conviction and he made it that put them up one then. He makes a driving layup which I didn't see again the whole rest of the fourth quarter scoop shot with with his left hand because he's ambidextrous and that put them up three and then here we went down the stretch eight forty three if we could see this. He missed three when they were up. One and then we go to eight fifteen and this is the all-time embarrassing moment of the night. Here we go. He gets the baseline and he gets blocked by the side of the rim. What skip do about if we go another three four then six fifty four left we got? He's going to force a shot over here in the left corner and he misses a thirteen foot. Or they're up four at that point so that could have been a death knell right there then. We got the traveled. Chris talked talked about he just took off running with the ball. I think you have to dribble when you run with it. And then we got another big myths three. They're down to at that point. Three thirty five. We're GONNA go the two thirty and this is the second turnover. At least he was trying to get it to cal coups who was completely blanketed and there we go and then here we go again. The worst late-game superstar free free throw shooter when they were down two and then finally you always night one. That was a big shot Oregon Iraq and then looking at US Lebron's got Marquel and he just gets you so booby I can't stay in front of him and then finally we get the game winner and Chris said it was right on law out wide left in the bronx warn. Who knows Luke Chris you becoming? It'd be how long twenty five forty five quarter-century can join Mr yes. I don't know if he's gotten hung on room but he's missed dunks. He probably chanted sharp. If you could find me video of Michael Jordan getting blocked by the rim where he insure your rain by the real away I told you I told you backfiring. Oh is it because he couldn't get up over the rim. You acted duck anymore ride. That was the year seventeen. Dunk where you get blocked by behind joined by your six right now. Where did I tell you to open the show? Michael is missed some on the back. Aren't we just slams it to remember when Michael within the jury Miss I wasn't he wasn't he landed up. Okay couldn't that was at the end of his career now we. We've got an aged thirty-five Lebron in year. Seventeen year seventeen so seven. You can't look at the age you gotta look at the years. I totally leaguer. Here's where Lebron's at a disadvant- is in these conversations with Jordan magic bird and all that. This is a Wednesday night in January where he the dog days of the NFL a mediocre team. And we're critiquing. His last six minutes Jordan. Obviously obviously there were shows like this. There were radio shows like this Jordan was doing it so we don't remember let alone magic. We don't remember the horrible games the the big misses at the end games all about Lebron and he had some bash shooting performances in the finals. J. Occasionally did he's the greatest closer I ever saw her Ebay. I actually covered his bulls in Chicago. If we're not we're not debating how how great closer he was but this notion that he never lost he never missed a shot he never been missing. There's the problem with you and me. We separate okay okay. But he missed a game winning shot in game five at the United Center in Chicago Against Utah in that final bull. Run a nine hundred ninety eight and then what did he do. He went to Utah. Aw and Scotty was sick as a dog and they didn't think he could play a game seven which was going to be Utah and Michael do that. Yeah held the pose right the show. He did how much I agree is Miss Burke I he did the highest impose I got that but we should flag on cow ARRUDA pushed. Oh boy that in New Orleans did he swished the shot. You that our viewers in view of your house. I liked it because it made my point. He back iron to you made the point. He missed it. Got The viewers on your side. What you just stay on appreciate you being here? We see you back accurate soon. Hussy Aaron Rodgers is looking to get back to his first super bowl in nine years but it won't be easy against the forty niners defense. Is it limited him to just one hundred and four yards earlier this season still niners coach. Kaz Shanahan is warning his team not to take the packers lightly especially Rogers Shanahan even told reporters quote. There's probably not anybody on the planet who throws a better than him Shannon. Do you agree with that statement audited. I gotTa agree with era told you you know. I'll play with him grace. which pro bowl with a lot of greater and the best one? I've seen up until Rogers Marino but I will have to get to weigh Ri- right now I just had to hear you just got Komo homeboy. Listen Hawaii I will get to that. But I'M GONNA give them homework another couple of years because I had to my mind my mind I liked it with Zuma's the incidents Dole. I like to leave. You are like now. I'm trying to get me to get my children Lehem. I do own stone really but right now he's still spinning and it was on display Sunday night. You saw them throw the devante atoms that that that that huge third down that wanted Geronimo. Alison does his back foot. Skip out on the back foot and a double clutch paw to Jamie Jimmy. Graham only half of the guys could ever make those throws throws he happened to be one of he can still spin it. He can still make every throw he can still make the throws on the move in. That's what sets them apart from. A lot of the the other quarterbacks quarterbacks can make throws he make from a stationary in the pocket level platform. But he could do it under duress on the move left and right but my homeboys coming but right now because Rogers has been able to do it longer. I'm will give a slight nod at Rogers during the football. A little better. But I'm not taking Raja's Gomo homeboy. I WanNa make that abundantly clear. I'm GonNa make this crystal clear because sometimes I think people get a computer because I do like Air Raj. I think he's unbelievable. Patrick Mahomes the homeboy is the best quarterback in football. And if I get one quarterback quarterback for the next one year two years five here the news. You won't more homeboy. So are we clearly. Sure got it it's Lou. Foggy me little foggy. Oh you better get it. So what was called Shanahan's supposed to say when he got asked about this errands in decline do you think that was because the stats. Just scream a three year decline and again I sorta get what you're talking about. Greatest throw the football ever. You stand by that right. Ever See. That's for posterity's get hold on okay. No but let's look back if we go all passed in football ever. Yes the reason. I have some problem problem with. That is the goat of quarterbacks. Is Tom Brady. So how can he not be the greatest store the football ever. I've never seen a sweeter throw the football. I know it was real close between him in Montana who who had who had a better jump shot. North Korea Michael Jordan who bet on the players so two things can be true true. Okay I'm GONNA give this except they play. Michael didn't play Steph position. But we're doing quarterback quarterback apple to apple and to my the the greatest thrower of the football. I've ever seen and I know all about Dan Marino and John elway and Brett Farve. Tom Brady come on. You WanNa talk about deadly accurate under- pressure clutch performances flowing the sweetest most catchable passes. I've ever seen I will give you this. Aaron Rodgers is the most spectacular ocular. Throw the football I've ever seen. If you want highlight plays like wild plays I get that. But obviously all heard of bigfoot will right now Aaron Rodgers Archer's is turned into foot back foot like in in decline everything's off the back foot and it look spectacular because authorities vaunt. It's a back foot would throw that nobody Tom House guru throwing he he would unteachable that throw because that's not how you're supposed to do but it looks spectacular the way he does bushy vast. Why he's able to do things that Brady can't because Brady still have to step in? Throw the ball okay. I got it in once upon a time when Aaron could could move and would move because now he's a little freight at the contact he's the most. Okay some. He moves but not much anymore points when Aaron could run he was devastated state because it was hard to defend in both ways. Because he's going to try the spectacular throw in an oftentimes get away with it and he's going to just he's GonNa Gas gas you with a fifty one yard run on third and fourteen but now he can't do that. So what did I see Sunday night. I saw a flashback. I saw blast from the past. I saw the old Erin emerge again. A lot of backfoot throws but on ten yard passes ten or more. He was six of six for one. Forty five we'll do the whole year this year. He's been awful on throwing the ball up the field. Because twenty plus yard passes on his completion percentage he ranked twenty any seven th in the league. So he's been awful on long passes this you know got worse than that name okay. But we're talking about Aaron Rodgers who've Kyle is saying probably he did put the probably probably but but he knows that he's probably going to have to face if he gives by the packers and all the team gets westbound tightened woo so I thought the NFL Dot Com story had an interesting stat and their deep research by Cynthia Freeland that they did fill phil breakdown. Aaron Rodgers had the most time to throw of any quarterback all season this year in the NFL average. Three point eight seconds per time throwing attempt that's pretty great and yet a lot of times he behind times. Oh Oh I don't think he moves much at all yet. He finished eighteenth and Qbr and he finished twenty third in completion percentage. Will they don't go. Two Plus Two equals zero is what it equals like. You're you're not being able to cash in on the what aboutism. Yeah what about Yoga. Yeah well this isn't about. It's what was Iliad. Yeah even okay. He declined just went. I don't understand Aaron Rodgers House. Get thirty six thirty six hours. Six now Aaron Rodgers thirty six. He's in decline declined but he had a better. Completion percentage a better huby are a better yard for a team better test down. The interception ratio tour guide is forty two but the God is forty two is composed the only way you can fight back on. This is to make it about Tom Brady. Who has won six super bowls else to errands? One Lobo coach Belichick. He says none of those super bowls has anything to do with this season. Yeah we found that out because he looked like he did this season like like you moved in his last super bowl. Remember skip bayless touchdowns and another session. His last playoff game against the titans zero touchdowns and those options We feel reoccurring themes no. We see a reoccurring no help for Tom Brady because did he have a Davante. Adams helped me out on June element. It's broken it's we all what we repeatedly do therefore is not a singular. It is a habit what we've seen in the last two way up. Gave from you know who skill told to talk to you. He went five for five in the game. Winning drive to win the should have been the MVP VP the super bowl. Because of it will. That was the sixth one. He's six and three and super bowls. Aaron is one for one but he's only got one. It was ten years ago. WHOA WHOA go goalby hold on? How about you told me go undefeated in chambers shipping? That's what you say. What Michael Jordan say? Nobody can pass by George because he's unbeaten and untied in championship game now to go to six and three. He's still Bela checks. Defense had him down against the Eli in the first Eli Super Bowls in hadn't let him down woefully against. Is Nick. foles backup quarterback for the eagles. Okay I I WANNA give you the eagle but they gave of seventeen point Code Bella checks. I can't go the go can get me fifteen points the Go-to a fourteen ten lead with two minutes to go fourteen. My defense gave up my game up seventeen points and we call Ale and then gave up an eighty five yard touchdown drive to ally manning. Thank you bill does he remember takes. I gave up. I want I gave up seventeen brought to the greatest show latour. We won that game but he was really good at the end of that also about moments. Now Yeah I is Lebron. Lebron James can't get a moment. Lebron going to hide St and twenty eighth straight or give Detroit. You remember that game skill. All I know is I expect four touchdown passes from Aaron. Rodgers is on Sunday at San Francisco. Because he's the goat man to just throw wherever wedding. Tom Give give well if you gave him. Devante and Jimmy Graham he would stop it. Okay all right okay. He had grown. He had a healthy element he had hogan he has Sunan Michelle and James White so let it gets the ramp. He gave thirteen points and won the game. Also about the will rogers thirteen and three in the regular season. Anyone a gain hey. Tom Brady conducted the game. Winning drive in the fourth quarter as usual report gave a three point eight. Give them Super Bowl. Somebody had to change the subject to get us off Aaron Ryan. How's this was supposed to be about his lawyers in decline pile? Does Rodney declines. It is unbelievable. Arm Unbelievable athleticism John Glen. Kevin Durant did a Q.. Hugh and a on twitter yesterday and when he was asked about the top five hardest players to Gardy. I listed fellow finals. MVP's Lebron James and Kunai Leonard. He then added to other Clippers Williams and Paul George and rounded out his list with sixers. Big Man Joel Embiid so Shannon what it does his list tell you. They don't play. No that would everybody look for the play of one hundred about the center riders. I I WANNA know who who who did make listen. I don't know if you've got may deliver years old. But they probably do a one on one so he probably make this but anyway and I was saying Gabby thirty year the me why up and still be a tough guard. All go he case shoe but you know oh skipped. There's more to just guarding player than him scoring on you. Lebron gets other than Bob. That's very difficult in K.. D. Know they've had some epic battles epic because Katie was on the court that night when Lebron dropped fifty one in a in a finals game the most point for losing player in a final. NBA History. He did skip those game three even though they loss. Lebron James had virtual souls Kevin Durant no players know. Jimmy Jimmy Bola had a list. What Jimmy Butler listening skill asking anybody to be on that list because everybody knows what you refused to acknowledge go? James has been will forever. Be That Guy Now so what are you realize. How many all you talk about your life? Your life is good now but what you acknowledged. Say you say go Jay Clough. Just go be just removed from you when you say goat. James is the greatest Interesting my turn right now even the RIM can guard Lebron. Lebron's guard him. Could we see that last down. We please see what happened last night. Oh He's gets loose and the RIM blocked his shot. Lebron you get the ball over the ram. Oh God that was a rejection. That was like a veil rejection right way to go that rim might make the all star team would. Yeah so what did we learn from list. And we know that Kevin Durant went to Lebron's house back to back. NBA Finals and showed up Lebron by showing out in his house by taking taking over a game three in back to back years to win finals. Mvp Bowl Times so we know. Katie is qualified to rank because he is the best player on Avenue. It is but nobody realizes that right now because he's out of sight out when he was saying no they knew so it was interesting he posts this list. And so I'm looking at the list and I'm thinking On this list he plays for the Oh the clippers. Yeah Paul George is on this list now. Plays for for the clippers. Fifth Player on this list is Lou Williams. He plays for the clippers. Kevin durant ranked three out of five Los Los Angeles Clippers fetch should be horrifying to one list Shannon Sharpe and to Lebron Jay because a D is not one of the five hardest to guard. Lebron is give you that way to go. Lebron but three out of five are clippers. I was stunned by armadillo clippers maker Jimmy Buckets. Well I think I'll take Kevin Durant list over Jimmy Muck so so you try to you. See if you're trying to do now you try to minimize uh-huh Jimmy Pushes the best player on the planet. He says these are the fire artists to guard the better defender Kevin Durant or Jimmy Buckets. I don't know Kevin Grant was campaigning. A year ago before the season started when he was healthy. He wanted to be defensive player of the year. We'll hornbook Harrisville campaign. The president workout is. Is Jimmy. Butler been defensive player. I don't think even sometimes I think Jimmy talks a better game. Also Jimmy deepest always always pretty good. But I don't know if he's that guy that you go see now because he had Lebron now you want to minimize any but he just said in no particular order or Lebron okay. He did mention Lebron. I said I'm not ranking them. In order okay should've Belvedere. So what's your favorite color Polo blue. You have not commented yet on Paul George Lou Williams skill they're unbelievable whoever's for Lou Lou. We've is an instant bucket. Paul George has elevated his game from an all star to an NBA player. What's he got there? Okay see deeply with a lot a lot of confidence. YELP help Kawhi Leonard he the two time. MVP two-time defensive player of the year. Not so I'm not here to debate that man's list so I'm GonNa take a tough covers. Go James so you got co and Paul George on a list of toughest to cover when they can cover you know to kate like crazy. Ah Bother Lebron George already know what we do know. That was when he was flying solo at Indy. He's got health now. Here's we've when we was flying so low also and we gave that work we gave at work so obviously Kevin Jimmy Butler. They're paying sort of career. Career achieved reared sheep. And it's like well we got an honor Loboda. It's like a career award. What Tom Hanks got at the Golden Globes they give you an award something because your career? It'll be demille award or whatever the League of his own here you go. He wasn't a league. Yeah Yeah thank you road to perdition a lot of things to Philadelphia might have been some of his best work but anyway skill that thing you do Ooh good point time you gotta give them a little bit acknowledged this and yet you know what what the Acknowledgement Ma is actually an indictment of your guy. Because I still give you. He should be one of the hardest to guard. Who are they talking about shooting jumpers? They're talking talking about freight training to the basket because when he freight trains on Kevin Durant. Kevin can't stop his Kevin Seven feet tall with like a seven seven wingspan and he can't deal Jio within because Lebron is too big strong quick powerful you got the guard and he's ambidextrous at the rim but I don't see him attack the rim very often sometimes late in games he doesn't WANNA go clank. Those free throws last night balls. Go look they don't give they don't. We're shooting a career low from the free throw. I get that but also skit. We go into the line. A career low. I told you what's happening. subliminally the refs are are not recited. Yeah they're not respecting him because he can't make late game free throws James makes his like crazy Judah the free throw line because you cash them mm in what about what about the other night. Thirteen thirty seven last night. What was it called Ale Portland? Oh James Harden James Way. I thought it was significant. And James is not on Kevin's list of hardest to guard and a lot of people believe the greatest offensive player in history. He got to be able to list. Okay so guess who is on the list. We haven't talked about my jaw and beat. I Love Joel. EMBIID and Kevin Okay. But he's acknowledging he is difficult. Got To deal with a question if it had this. Say Back in say from night some ninety three to two thousand three. Who Do you have been a tough guard? Two three twenty five okay. So He's saying in beads that all right up that but you can't beat that guy if you get zero point engage we'll to me. He got on this list ahead of James Harden and that might be a little hard for james to swallow. Yeah I I guess I don't Look I. I appreciate James Game but you know I think he bought either ball yet but skip the stuff that he's doing. I didn't think anybody would do that. I didn't think I'd see somebody was also joined Gopher thirty seven he'll season I ain't nobody ever Gonna get that close again dave heart and go through JD. Go and portia game yet. But there are some nights when he can't buy hi is three and when that happens chance there are some nice. He can't miss a three and Mississippi might get seventy five. I agree but last night boy. He looked like he was in a skunk mcfun's he was not happy. But that's okay but low in my list. My list gets honored by every y'all so you worry about eleven assists a game that that a career achievement. Best Point Guard the way he made it real clear hirees not on this list. But he said he's healthy. Kevin said he's the best point guard about all. That was on Jimmy Buckets list. So you can't go okay. You got to be a head. He had to be handled. You know we've seen Steve Kerr we've seen Isaiah became. Nobody do what we can do it. Look I would agree with that. So Kevin my being a little hot water with Kyrie and James Auto his former team Cavaye Guy Resale. We need a few more pieces. This is where he learned that he took bribes. Brought that up. Because I wanted you to see Lebron going you get blamed for some Carrozza three years ago and today Cario say Lebron always said that was four years ago skip. Yep We're at the Super Bowl. Go Away Bird joined by eagles ray rookie running back mouth sanders to have you with us. Thank you for joining the show. I was thinking about it coming on undisputed knowing this guy big cowboy's fan take me into the mindset and preparation in joining us This is a big opportunity for me. You know Dishonest of his new to me and exciting at the same time so he tried to butter us up. Tapie brought us his Hoodie here. See this Graham Bouba run baby run. which is your sort of slogan right way to go? We liked Almar. Came up with this school still lives in your hometown or Pittsburgh Swiss. They'll neighborhood writing and if this were green I would not wear it but I just uh-huh I must grudgingly admit you had a really good rookie year and this is the ultimate compliment. I can pay to. This man is scared me as a cowboy fan because every time he touched the ball I started. Thinking does not good. Something good is going to happen because you were slashed. So that brings this too offensive rookie of the year. What's your gut feeling on your shot at winning that award? I think I have a pretty good shot. You know I mean with the other guys has been nominated you know. There's Josh Jacobs had the year two in college and Column Morality so all had great rookie but You know I got a lot of confidence in myself. Based on the type of production I gave basically I think half of the season which spoils going down? I'm going I oh and Jordan Howard. uh-huh going down for the rest of the half and Seattle. So how'd you wind up with eight hundred eighteen yards pretty not made the playoffs. The mother Guy They know playoff. Hey AH AJ Brown. Obviously the receiver from Tennessee looking at a big down the stretch. You mentioned all the guys that they are and you're asked to carry very more. The low run the football football and probably your best game with that game against the cowboys. I just wanted to why you took it. Why you fly down? I want you to rub nobody. You gotTa Rub it in. You gotta put salt in the wound by that. Why is smart and it was sportsman? Like the church moves so It was the first down to go down as soon as we get. So when o'clock out would you call the church. I never heard that we have you know I'll go to the end zone. Who did he going to be scared? If I got somebody like slipped in her so nice okay. So what. Do you think you're going to win this award. That's what I want to know. What do you think's happening behind the scenes? Who Do you think has the best shot you've made your case I can say I feel confident in myself? You know and I just pray God you know I can be the best opportunity you know. That would be too so okay. So do you think you should win over a quarterback. I'm a big collar Maury fan and I thought he had an extraordinary year him. I'm not so much. He doesn't believe that. But how can you out do a quarterback with degree of difficulty that he had for a bad football team and they they won five games and tied. The game is pretty good I think he's GonNa say This how important over the last four games where the game on. And there's no doubt we had the windows four games in order to get to the playoffs so we had to go forward and they were all divisional gangs. So they weren't really. They weren't easy. We played the giants twice which doesn't matter the record or anything NFC East's tough especially defensively So I think those guys were pretty big and I stepped up pretty pretty well. You know they asked me to do a lot. They like to find ways to the ball. And I've been doing well as far as east. He's gained getting better and better at it. So did you. Did you surprise yourself self. Because obviously you played somewhat in saquon shadow at Penn state and it's hard to know what you can do at the next level. We're you saying wow I can I can I can do this No not really I've been doing this my whole life and I've just been getting better. I think I have yet to play my best football I think that a lot of stuff to improve on. And that's what makes it so special and exciting that. I'm just my eager to get better. And that's why the vessel yet at at the Eagles so and I get it from them. You know I I walk in the huddle and I see guys. I urged out showing you got did so on Jackson got his office. Allow you got Carson right next to me too to so and they D- they greatness in you'll it just makes you want to be great. And then I got the Darren sproles in my running back on me in my ear has given me knowledge and just watching him. Where is this exciting? You look at the. NFC You guys like you Saquon Z.. Adrian Peterson obviously obviously. Adrian is famous way out. But you gotTA. WHO's the best running back in that? Division was deputy beat abyss. And like I say I think gotTA strong rookie year. But it's just being taught with with those they run vaccine. Oh my boy sake. One and Z goes a pie one of the taught running backs in the league. So it's it's a blessing just being named with them and being you know Just mentioned when you talk about the guy that you lined up in the whole next to Carson Wentz. Obviously the comparison because he Dak Prescott came out in the same draft. Last who's better quarterback. I'm GonNa take take my God living I gotta calm him. thing I love about him is it doesn't matter who's all feel he's going to give them confidence they didn't have to go. Get No Amari Cooper. My Guy didn't have mile sanders this year. Some days how Zeke's I mean. This guy was playing better down the stretch. Then my guy was playing. I kept telling you that. Say that. Okay and my guy didn't have Zakar is because he he is really good at what he does. And that guy. That's his ultimate security blanket. He just looks for eighty six. Oh I'm Alshon had out there to lift somebody that covered a couple of guys at the box. I could have got a thousand young well. He did have out there and what we don't do that. uh-huh with our out of the building was burning down here with a man he would not alike. Galore fans is crazy man their own. Okay so I want to know what do you really think of the cowboys as your division. What happened in the seventeen to nine games at Philly phillies did you? Did you guys just know you're better than them. What what was your mind? Some I think I mean we had confidence going into game. You know the big win against the redskins in giants aunts and coming into like I said we knew what we had to do in order to get to the playoffs and it was last four but most importantly beat you know. beat the cowboys and not the whole week was is different to me. And this is the focus that was all throughout the weekend. We had a lot of people just talking. You know we we just say how like Art Invest Talkative. How important is game? Is You know and as a pros on game night game division align. It was exciting considering that. So you had you got to play early in the year with the Dallas and they bumped But you felt you had coffee like we can beat this team better than this. That's what did you see the in the cowboy defense or not see. Do you think they're average. Do you think there gettable. What what did you think you could just rip and slash on them or not? I think the great defense I you know Basically in especially the first game when they played us They play really good. Is Not a team when you can really just go side to side on you gotTa really just 'cause they're they like to gophers quarterback so that's why we had. We set up the screens and stuff really wellness screens work. So stuff like that and to play action then we start running the ball really well too so I think that we play well too. So were you predict that. You're going to beat my team twice next year because they said absolutely Louis C. K.. More here until nick you will. They are the big talker when I do my talk. Okay Eagle Tool. We got a new coach and he's got a big old ring on his. That is true. Some confidence often you know. They got a coach who got a big ring on his finger. Oh fearless HO W B. Yeah we we had our man Orlando Scandal. I don't know if you know Orlando but here's your team. So he did he could be. I'M GONNA get into that. I'm a rookie sake. My head down in Orlando came. I'm on instead. A lot of your veterans are living in the past like they think they're still super bowl champs when they have proven nothing this year. That's ahead of the Dallas game. The second game I mean I I know we put him on by getting into the playoffs so I probably I think he'll he probably didn't think we're GONNA make it so you guys are hot around this thing lose the Buffalo Jazz Blues the Cowboy and it did. You proved them wrong with Tim Curley. You're handling it the right way. Ed appreciate you coming on. Thank you for this. This Susan Eagle. Who handled himself with class last August? Well you're doing all the right moves. I loved that movie as well. Thank you good luck next season. Antonio Brown is preparing for for a boxing match against Youtube. Star Logan Paul and seems to be taking it pretty seriously. Brown has been working with a former Olympic boxer to train and even posted footage of his workouts to social media. This is interesting. Story is a big star in terms of the Youtube Sensations Shannon. Good good or bad idea is a good idea. Hopefully knock some sense. ABC's withdrawal actually gives us a bad idea. First of all you watch him you see straight leg. ABC's it you know if you noticed. They boxed they bought from across skill knees slightly being stiff his legs. He'll get up out of there. Get look aw someone helped me understand. How is this helping me get back to the NFL? I don't know I've got number one objective. His number one goal was to get back and get into the NFL. How's this help happened again with you? Try to try to appease people. They've got to have no bearing on whether or not he gets back into the NFL. Oh yeah maybe you could do it you competed. You can leave people alone now. This guy the Internet Youtube Star Star but he I guess he fights a little bit do. Do you don't fight. You don't fight this. John Daniels plays okay. How small guy us he and I ain't trying to fight with them and fight for real he fight for living? ABC News for fun. You'd think everything you think everything's a joke. You think everything is Kiki Oh there you get exactly what you're looking for. Well you said somebody help you should help. ABC because he needs a lot of help uh-huh at least he could do something more credible if you wanted a box a box or even if you WanNa box floyd now at least I'd say okay I get that like this. This is credible but this is a youtube phenomenon and I get that but he goes I know he fights other youtube fight. Okay I get that that. But it's not credible to me because you were a superstar. NFL Flake agree. And you're going to stoop to this and it's just more attention seeking watch me on out of the limelight. I'm going to create new limelight. You cope with guy too tall Jones. He thought he did. I went to. He was six foot nine by two seventy five. It was in Las cruces New Mexico not to be named Zeus Manassas. The brakes off and he did nope. That's right I mean and thought he was a boxer the add some credibility boxer. Okay I got that I I was there but the point is to your point. How is this going to get you eligible again? What are you doing? It reminded me of Pacman Jones. I was out are on the outs with the NFL. Remember when he was really down and out and he got into wwe he became a pro wrestler for. Okay okay. We'll least that's just sheer entertaining. But it didn't help him with the Commissioner. It didn't help his goals. Because the commissioner wanted him to be out of sight out of mind right pay his UH penance. Let's start over again and the way this is going this is only getting worse and worse so after this is on the heels of that disgusting video posted the other day there was just hard to watch. I guess I guess the guy says something. Ab Ab you know. He said he would drop rob quick. It and the Patriots did. And he's like squeezing told to do square up. Bre what you do. I fear that it might be Eddie money driven because the last local Paul did for Youtube against the different you star. They made eleven million dollars so my fear is that aby needs Yup. I don't mind doing things for money if it's in my field I'll of professional athletes football player. Yeah so I might take Lee's I got a ring. Korea may schools are no. She's going into the impressed. Yeah there is a lot with them every day. Something different among officials had claimed that the cash that odal Beckham gave players after their championship win was fake. But that may not be the case. HEISMAN winner Joe. Borough told a podcast that the money was indeed real confession. It didn't mind making since he's no longer a student. Athletes Are Shannon Dan and your reaction to this. I'm disappointed in Odell making himself a part of the story putting his team in harm's way deep players in harm's way. Yes these guys look up to you. Dan Admire you. Some of them would like to be in your position. They got money. You couldn't wait. You GotTa do this in front of the cameras. Why put them in harm's way? Why do that now the NCAA is going to be asking all these questions will? This was their moment. This is not about you order. You had your moment. You had a chance in the national championship game to win that game in inactive food you call hail let them guys enjoy this now. Some of these guys jober like I ain't got no royalty ability so yeah I got the money is real joy Jefferson. I think he's leaving but some of these guys might have eligibility. He put them in harm's way. Does it was real. That would know monopoly. Money without truth was a little bit of a low blow to his teammates. I thought it was a little out of bounds for. He didn't need to do that but back to Odell with you on this. This is serious business. For the in seeds they will go to great lengths to try to ensure that they are viewed as an amateur organization. Based on student athletes. League's just Miss Games crap. The the big kid from Memphis a player Weisman. No very okay. So it's GonNa Beg. The question has Odell or other. LSU XS have they paid for performance before long trail is that incentive for athletes is to sign with LSU could be. Yeah come over there. Don't do the boy because that went viral the NC double a. hates this image just like with the NFL images. She's every everything but they were gonNA fiercely defend their amateur status and this was anything but try to get ahead of the curve and reached out to the NCAA. But I I would say only that would real money yesterday. was everybody knows what that is. You said that right away real funny. Okay way to go del so he knows exactly where the camera is he finds it and he always has show that I will be back tomorrow morning at nine. Thirty eastern thanks for listening to the undisputed needed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join US again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then of.