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eps.036 - Ashlie Meredith - Blockchain Education Expert
"What's up bitcoin? Radio it's your badge hi Joe Blackburn. I'm coming at you with another episode of Bitcoin radio here. WBZ bitcoin lives. Everybody's been enjoying the shows and having some fun listening to Bitcoin radio as is the process and has the length of the show has existence. Only August we've been having a lot of success in a lot of awesome people and today is no different as Ashley. Meredith joins us the had the privilege of not. I'm just calling Ashley like a CO worker or a colleague. She's also cool enough to be my friend or I should say I'm calling up. What's up Ashley? How have you been doing thanks? I Oh I feel honored to be on Bitcoin radio and to be called your friend your ways though. I really wanted to get on and say longtime listener. first-time time caller yes. I've been with you since the inception of radio. Bet You have actually and we'll get it into a little bit of your background. But as I did say she's my friend but I our story actually starts about almost a year year and a half ago so I actually when I first was introduced. Patrick Dietrich was maybe within that first week that was introduced you and clearly I know how how well you can. Patrick Work together and how much you offer mouse. But as you're a founding member of mouse belt but I was introduced to you as the Director of program director for universities are the university program launched about the same time the accelerator launched so laugh. Laugh May and you've been running that from the start and you know I was really fortunate to kind of meet you at that point as university program was really just getting its feet on the ground round mouse boat university for those. You might not be familiar with it but I did an interview with him last year with the three students. One from Duke One from Florida and you see Santa Barbara Thank right Yes yes definitely. It's the FBI. Yup and that was an awesome awesome experience to have them on and you know your influence and mouthfuls influence was absolutely felt. They spoke so highly of you even in prior to that interview but but mainly what. I've been so impressed with is just your ability to kind of encompasses so many different things at once. Because you've got a lot more going on the blockchain chain alliance that's just recently popped up was huge names. I know we'll talk about that. But there's a bunch of things that you've been doing. So let's rewind a little bit and let's hear about who you are where you're from from. How'd you get into Crypto? Yeah Hi everybody thinks for tuning into bitcoin radio. My name's Ashley grew up in California Met Patrick a decade ago or so and I've been working with the team at myself for years in Silicon Valley building startups have the experience of being invested in Genesis Brown by an accelerator. So I got to see firsthand learn about the world of the startup tack and you know we had the engineers that they create a relationships with over the years of building cool projects in in the valley and Really got into blockchain recently and and Patrick's telling me for years. I got a job for a while. Now you got to join on with us. You gotTA start getting into this blockchain and it wasn't until a year and a half ago when I was inbetween teaching job. So so I'm a university. Professor in philosophy was teaching philosophy at Portland State and he called me up and said I have this idea to to try to reach student developers and students who are interested in blockchain and one of the core things that I love to do is work with students. So it's been a crazy ride ever said I mean. How cool is that that incorporate both your love for teaching in your in your involvement in the university and when blockchain I mean like how I mean? That's really cool when you can mesh emerge urge to things that you love the most. Yeah honestly I get a lot of surprise responses about you went from being flossy professor blockchain but actually I've been been feeling feeling like it's a natural transition. I mean the minute that you start a conversation with a no cleaner about What money actually is you're having philosophical conversation? And that's breaking down their ideas of like maybe they've never even considered before. How strange a trust base financial system? So that's always. It was really fun to to have those conversations with new people to Crypto and then as well my passion for for helping students than and supporting educational initiative and and actually knowing how to build and grow curriculum has been really applicable. All know that actually really until just that moment. I didn't didn't even really put that together. The way you just explained that you know where how you know how much rate you gotTa have in this in the system to to work and how that is a philosophical conversation sort. So how like. I guess you're probably one of the most equip people to have that conversation just based off your experience and knowledge on how you teach this information just in the college ah exciting. But what is the basis of that like what do you. How do you start on a personal level like when you have that conversation? What is it that you try to maybe influence or put over the unit in front of them? I understand actually only just thought of it now but you know maybe taking a lesson from my teachers which are philosophers and trying I tell a story so you know imagine imagine that I wanna make sure a good or service or a item gets to you. How do I ensure that you receive of what I need you to have? We'll the most secure way the hundred percent way that I know that it got to you is to do it. Face to face and as society grew larger as bartering systems became more complex you can extrapolate and add layers onto that story and try to have a discussion about the importance or the difference between privacy. Hi this is insecurity and then you talk about what immutability means and know that would be. I've never even gone through that process. Of how how humankind went from St showed a seashell or sea shell to spearhead then all the way to buy goods off Amazon right. I mean that's that's a really. It is there's layers and layers and those layers have gotten very thick and very complex as you noted so a again and I know I've got a chance to get to know you and been able to consider your for now now for some time but there's so many different things about you that have given you the ability and experienced this not just say. Hey I'm here I'm doing this but who's better than me at this and I know you're not the type to say it like that but you've done a lot of really good things and a lot of great things for the space already and it's kind of been on the quiet level but you're started recently was able to share your video when you did the Did the interview on facebook and I was very impressed with and I was like man. I was so mad. I didn't get to get you on. I debut video. It's not with BITCOIN radio. I was mad. It wasn't with me but that's okay I was very proud of you and I thought nothing but like how natural and how easy it was for you to be able to speak and explain yourself herself and to have that conversation and that's not something everybody can do and so you do a lot of different things and most recently we heard a lot about the cow stuff and then we had in. We'll get into that. And then also the blockchain alliance and I really WANNA touch on the blockchain allows alliance first and then we'll get into the University of program and whatever else it is that we need to speak about. Let's start with watching alliance even even though the block chain. Education Alliance is a new initiative. We just launched we. You know gathered our partners around and kind of did a big push and it was really awesome and to see the response that we got in the crypto and other outlets basically. We're trying to build a network of industry leaders who are interested in building their developer communities. Kennedy's but above and beyond just trying to extend their reach. Have a similar ethos with us. which is that? The only way that we're going to elevate the kinds of projects addicts that are coming out in the space. The kinds of projects that are being built on their protocols. The only way that products are going to be built faster is there's more developers interested in blockchain. More Students Susan careers and blockchain more passionate individuals. who like to build and break stuff like students and things like half the fawns even knowing about these protocols or or you know there are some that are particularly easy for people to develop on top of and the kinds of applications? A student might have an idea. Yeah about they don't even know about this blockchain so not only that they want to do commit community building for community building sake or for their own self interest a real understanding ending that the future of the blockchain space depends on education. No question so I know you've been working very hard on this union. A lot of the other folks but who was involved in this yes. Yes so Patrick. Who you've had on the show multiple times from the inception? He had the intuition that a lot of innovation comes from universities and there are probably a lot of students interested in this stuff. Recruited my help with all my background. Navigating the sometimes overly bureaucratic world of interacting with research institutions and and then. Yeah just working closely with him for the last year and a half and recently with this alliance with the industry partners bringing on Adam Leon on the team team who's who's been boots on the ground in San Francisco. Since the beginning he is always here. We have blockchain center. SF The events face We're doing fireside shots with our CTO Joe and some of these platforms and protocols and just the relationships we've been trying to build in the space with events and and supporting universities is and also our engineering shop. We have a engineering shop that will build for these projects so through all of this time of all the different places that we've kind of touched in the states we've made a lot of really great relationships outcomes than enter instrumental and and so we brought them all in in so obviously the list of partners has gotten pretty extensive and pretty deep and you know some of the awesome awesome projects that are attached. That are you know something that I think you should be very proud. Love and I'll I'll let you kind of tell a few people who who they are and of course why they might be part of this or what what. The goal is for their involvement. Yeah we're definitely Adding more partners so about list is only gonNA increase and we welcome people to get in touch with us if they Shared Ethos I was just talking about if they have plans or concerns about engaging with students to come join us but yeah some of the big names. Some of the biggest names in Crypto. Right now all right sean icon to to their house. Crafts Stellar theorem classic labs among others and more forthcoming. If I can keep going what I found interesting in having all of these initial phone calls and kind of trying to onboard people into you know hey look like let's have an exploratory non-exclusive collaborative efforts to think about about. How can we shape the future of watching education and what was interesting and kind of proof of concept for us was that everyone's wants kind of having the same idea and I think that could maybe go back to something you and I have discussed the four about how the the perception is there? It's it's very well known that. There's a lack lack of resources for students looking to learn blockchain development this because it's such a new technology the facts are all their people know that and all these companies were starting. I think the same thing as us like we WANNA get more on the ground level grassroots. How do we engage students developer communities and a lot of them had plans in the works but unfortunately not everyone has the bandwidth not? Everyone has a fulltime salary person. Whose title is university director? And so I think the value that we can bring is that I've been building these relationships for over a year and a half now and with when you have something like universities there's a lot of turnover turnover. There's a lot of students graduate. People go home for the summer. Things Kinda just move really slow in academia opposite minded professors. There's not answering their emails through week. One of them So so having having mouth kind of serve as a catalyst and a research center point where a meeting point for people with these concerns Being able to keep all of those connections alive. No that's incredible well and you know the just the list of partners when I first saw it and obviously I've been privileged to kind of watch the from the inception on this level. Watch you guys build this up and really bring bring it to the public. I've I've been suppressed by different things and you know mainly was the ability to get these bigger names who saw the value in this. And there's even more I know for a fact that you can't even name right now. Now that are that are close to or about to some some level to to join the alliance and I just look and see how important that cohesion is to kind of build when you call it a block chain education alliance. It really is like. It's hey this is separate from competition. This is US trying to get together trying to find this this this or at least maybe fill. This void Loyd might even a better name for it and then that's just going to allow so much more. Continuity as as the blockchain projects become bigger stronger and more relevant to today's Day and time outside out of Krypton we're talking about on a on a actual real life level. And you know it really does start with the students that are that are that are in school right now. The ones that are learning and I know that's something something that you have a passion for that as you noted a couple of times in this interview already but let's let's talk a little bit more about the Mouse Button University program as director as someone who's kind of seen As boots on the ground as you called atom. You're the boots on the ground when it comes to to all these universities and they're all over the place on both coasts. You know not just this country either. I think you said there's there's there's somebody in Europe as well. Yes definitely I think it's maybe fourteen fourteen or fifteen countries. Now wow fifty. That's a lot. Ah clearly you've been busting your butt trying to get all these these these universities on board but what has been some of the biggest obstacles obstacles that have you been able to overcome like what are some of these like is the is the interest level really high from these schools or is this something that pushed back immediately from. I think you know it kind of maybe going through the timeline of the program and what we learned and how we've pivoted or grown in response to discovery right we we. We started with an intuition and then we did the research and then we saw what came back and we changed course. You know when we started for one I spent about a month talking to thirty five five different student blockchain organization presidents from schools in the US and Canada. And I kind of heard the same thing. Here's outland like there was a lot of interest in bitcoin. People people started. BITCOIN clubs people started getting interested in tech and they would even just change the name from the Bitcoin clubs with the blockchain club and then as the club's grew some got more sophisticated and started it kind of even having different divisions where they would do education investment and engineering or different combinations of of different verticals within the blockchain chain state so And then another thing that I heard over and over again was that you know because they were student organizations. There's not a lot of access to funding because it's such a new technology. Algae there are a lot of official courses. There's just not a place for the students to find the resources. And even even sometimes they were being met with opposition or at least like Disinterest or apathy from from the engineering departments So there are some students who would be doing full classes three hours a week in the evenings during their free time for their friends. And then you know maybe some schools will offer course credit but the students are teaching it so we thought right away you know. Let's skip the red tape of and the bureaucracy with trying to form like official partnerships with engineering departments. And all that could go with that and go and try to elevate the the activities of the people who are actually building this stuff so right away we just selected thirteen schools in the US to start funding events with and just getting on a lot. The phone calls and seeing what they were interested in and sponsoring a couple hackers lawns and and workshops. We were able to fly from students to Korea for an International International Hanlon. That was probably one of the coolest moments I lived in Korea that year which was good. Yeah Mehan and Maria from the team. We lived in Korea for two months to kind of see the scene there you know. We have a partnership with Bitcoin Center. Korea is in Seoul. There's a bitcoin center. There's a big giant. bitcoin sign in downtown. It's gone And you can go hang out on a co working space there which we've kind of replicated here in the US. In in San Francisco. The office. That I work out of is called the blockchain center. SF and if you do a little. Google meals see the giant. bitcoin sign in the sky. Smart it Y'all got a big week next week right with the with the San Francisco blockchain week the ASA. Yeah everyone who's connected with bitcoin. Radio usually sees posts from us at milestone austell a ten for our full list of events. No that's really cool and And of course you know. I'll be making sure that we post these things on both CD on bitcoin radios facebook page. If you're listening to this and you WanNa know more if you're in the area or if you WANNA go Obviously I'm not going to be there. I'm going to be in Vegas or Vegas blockchain week. which is more socialist but not nearly as tech oriented? I don't thank but that's not to say that there won't be ticked away from Vegas but I'm very jealous that I won't be able to do both and I can only do one But let's let's talk about you know about what your or experiences have been in the past to where you are now with the students. Have you seen this evolution of acceptance in the role that blockchain is starting to play in the university sector. Yes yeah so we were able to do some good good work in just a lot of goodwill for the community just You know kind of exploratory. The and really supportive of whatever the students wanted to do. And then Grew law in the second semester of the program. We did a ton of outreach We're we're at over seventy schools or students from seventy fools have interacted with our platform and we do surveys. We'd get on calls all of these people and we built a whole educational platform to allow students to take courses and get on office hours with us. So that's one of the things that I think I had started to see the most valuable to the students especially given the lack of resources on their campuses is to actually talk one on one with someone who knows what they're talking about because even some of the professors at the schools. Are you know maybe a lot about distributed computing. And you know obviously there. PhD's in computer science and are very intelligent but don't actually develop watching. They're not blockchain engineer but they can run a course about a computer science topic especially with help from more knowledgeable students. So I think that's one thing I've seen has been the most valuable and something that I hope. Our block chain education alliance partners will really take the opportunity to do is to do one on one or a lot of like webinars and just like getting giving in communicating with An Open format where they can learn from. What do you think is the future for these programs? Where where's the what is the scale ability? And obviously I mean a lot of this is unknown because the blockchain is going to scale in a at a rate. I believe that's going to just surpass what everybody's expectations are for the most part But you know where were you see this going. What is the end result? Yeah so students are all doing great work but there is a lot of universities that have entire blockchain labs. I mean you can think of any of the major universities in the US as standouts at Mit Stanford. Berkeley Berkeley blockchain has. It's been kind of a gold standard there But as program has progressive. Well we've also expanded our conversations to start having having conversations with researchers and administrators US another big initiative that we pushed recently was the UC blockchain initiative. And you know we chose shows. UCLA UC Santa Barbara and UC Davis to work more closely with because the students in those Boxing organizations on campus had been super active with our program. The ground Really willing to engage with us. Learn from US and build with us so We we came to them and said you know if there's some more cross collaboration you could have as much or more impact than Berkeley. And also you know kind of a geographical benefit to start with like to start a program like this there because we're based in San Francisco our Galen Dan's occur is the UC Davis allom. I'm going to be speaking at the conference. Santa Barbara at the the end of November November twenty third so we do have a really good relationship with those schools and we started really making an effort to talk to the administrators. The entrepreneurial organizations a lot of schools have their own on campus accelerators and the engineering departments to say. Hey we're going to set aside a specific fund exclusively to invest in student projects that come out of these three schools five hundred thousand dollars and we are also going to build this blocks in education alliance to help bring on research dollars and and fund some of the research going on which will be with the complications with Intellectual Property and state funded schools can get really complicated so oh any anything. Anything done on the research side has to be a donation based but we're already we've already received and reviewed some of the projects that these schools are working on and and the few professors who are doing research and blockchain are doing some interesting things so no. I couldn't really see how awesome that that that style and again I can only imagine what it's like three years from now right I mean or even a year from now as the the interest level grows as people start to understand this more. So what have you seen seen as like the average student these all going to be computer scientists. That just happen to think this or are you. Seeing a lot of a very broad picture of the type of student that is interested. It's actually something that's been exciting new the most about Getting do what I do is I have this quote that I love from the truth. Machine the blockchain in the future of everything Britain by the guys who who wrote the age of Crypto currencies to Paul. Paul something anyway. Something about you. Know getting getting blockchain right is gonNA take input from all sectors of society so take this as the clarion call to take an interest and to get involved and that's the epigraph I used for my my blockchain leadership. Course that I do which is just kind of guiding students into like how to start a club how confidently incompetently talk about these things and teach other people. Because that's what it means to be a blockchain leader and I when I I was hired For this position I started reading that book and as a philosopher. Sure I thought okay how would i. How do I respond to this clarion call? Why should I be interested in? Why should I get involved so in my conversations nations with students? They're just such a diverse background and from all over the world that it is just really fun for me to see what opportunities there are for people. How many many jobs that CRYPTO has created? How many places for people to talk about what interests them like? You know a philosophy and politics I get to talk about that Media Media I know I talked to a student the other day in Australia. Who expressed there's a particularly negative perception of crypto currencies in Australia that combating and he wants to start a media company and he's a big fan of yours you know he? He's already building online communities. So there's media opportunities and I think to bring it back a bit to the block chain education alliance partners and this thing that we saw potential competitors getting on calls together and signing signing their names to a group like this which is moving away from pessimism and and seeing opportunity in the blockchain space and how many opportunities there are for jobs wealth creation fighting inequality all of those things. So yeah I I mean just to put some numbers on. I think it's what you would expect about sixty percent computer science or like an electrical engineering or or other kinds of science computer science space majors. And then there's a surprising amount philosophers that I run into and I started a fund directory for myself called BLOCKCHAIN PHILOSOPHERS DOT COM. So it's all of the philosophers that I have encountered in the space so far a WHO lost students I would say maybe like another twenty like a large percentage of them are finance and business by really really diverse group of individuals who are are in the space because they care about different things very differently. You know what's so awesome to me is like when when you especially the people who are really starting harding this two three years ago before it was like in before bitcoins price had gone up and the people who are working on blockchain projects and really trying to bring about this awareness and transparency on college campuses they were really rewarded with a lot of publicity and they look like geniuses even more so than they actually are when Bitcoin went to twenty thousand bucks right or so. We got a lot of attention. A lot of interest in a lot of people were able to kind of get jumped just our interests with jumpstarted based off of those things with the coin boom etc.. But you know the end result of that was has been and still has been Since it has been pretty negative right has not been the greatest for these coins in price. But but there's a lot of really awesome projects regardless of token or regardless of price or regardless of ICAO whether they did or did not is almost irrelevant for some of these things because they they're busting their ass workin hard grinding through this winter for them and yet are still producing still coming out with things and you know I think about you know some of the people that I've got a chance to meet ones. That have really really cared and the ones who have stuck around through this and these people are. They're going to be rewarded. One day jobs with IBM. Who's got a huge block interest? Now they're going to be rewarded with Microsoft and rewarded with these humongous contracts. You know that are going to be whether they absorb a company whether they're actually hired on as an employee. There's just not going to be enough of them. Based off of how big and how much the blockchain's blockchain's GonNa be. This is just. My opinion obviously is going to be infused into the tech world very very soon and it soon enough. I wouldn't be surprised if every major tech company was was involved in blockchain and I in fact I expect that within the next five years. Oh Yeah I'm excited to to be able to announce some non crypto partners the block chain education reliance. Is that coming stay tune. Who is it just that you can't say it I mean I'll be I'll be A honest that I have heard feedback from students. That said when you know. Bitcoin crashed after two thousand eighteen. Twenty seventeen excuse me. They're interesting. You know their clubs shrunken size or you know people who had been around long enough noticed a difference so like if you want to ask interest wanes with with price. Yes but as we're mummies degree motivator as we're seeing in the face though the people who are here for different reasons than to make a quick buck on a speculative asset are still around and either the people who are going to be writing our laws you know who are GonNa. It'd be the law student. who takes an intro to blockchain classes going to do a lot better in a hearing at the house in talking about digital currencies if they took a blockchain went to one class so the people who care about the things that I think you and I care about and a lot of people in the crypto space do and who you're in it for that are still running their clubs that university is regardless of the price? And I I've seen I've seen a lot more clubs popping up. I mean it's just like yeah. It's agreed agreed. No and it's and it's really. I mean you see it like on the old frog bowling in the in the in the Pan right where you know. It's getting warmer and warmer. But you're sitting there chillan because you don't feel it changing but from the outside looking in even I have seen the this and and I mean obviously you've seen the change because you're you're you're so involved but you know you're probably almost feel like you're expecting more times when it's getting so big in so grand already mm-hmm again. The people who are really you know involved right now. This college students the freshmen. Who just you know? Just got into a developing course for the blockchain these people. We're going to have jobs and they're going to have jobs at a really high level and they're going to get paid a lot because there's no way taking it seriously even now minus some of the niche groups you know in these niche groups are going to these. They're not just random Mike Clubs. These are people who are busting your butt trying to build things you know just for the fun of it really you know but I just I I look forward to the future now Actually got a couple more questions I WANNA ask you. Obviously we're GONNA get to some some more of this but you know what has been your favorite part of this. Yeah I mentioned pensioned earlier. Probably one of the Most rewarding moments of my career ever in anything I've done was Assisting being you know the relationships that the that allowed for me to send a female coder from University of Washington to Korea to participate in international hacker thon because because she specifically told me I wanNA represent my school and I wanNA represent female coders. Some bitcoin radio and cover next. Time happens by the way sure. Sure and so okay. So mentorship the kind of mentorship that I'm able to Offer is really rewarding to take the things things that I've learned in life outside of Crypto and really use them in a impactful way honestly those kinds of one to one interactions are are what keeps me going in. This space is is The the one student who I was able to connect with a sponsor for this event or You know the the the women engineers who don't often see founding members of startups coming to talk to them one on one one on one the yeah. That's why no and I'm sure those those will only grow in numbers so as as things have gotten to where they we are right now and you know you. You've been able to watch progress. You've seen these things happen. You've you've been able to be be there and watch you know I. I like to think that you're an expert in your field field at this point. In fact you're probably one of the very few experts that have any you know experienced doing both the educational aspect and mixing that with the Real Tech geniuses that are actually working on the blockchain for jobs and for the future. Do you see this transition getting easier for students to hop in. I mean like. Do you expect some of these schools to literally literally like have like major blockchain focus classes and majors even. I just have to say that it's been my life's dream to be interviewed on a subject on like like the history channel or something where under my name it would say Ashley Meredith Blank Expert that moment this this is awesome luxury in education expert. I'll make sure we title Oslo expert joke that they would would make me business cards that expert. That will just be my title that you are you. Should you should feel fooled. Thank you thank you Joe. But the question was whether it's going to be an easier. Entry Point yes and I think that's something that you talked with our team at Mousdale about a lot with the kinds of campaigns that we want to run and the the things that we care about. And that we on your show and talk about which is a How how do we make? How do we make bitcoin happen? How do we make blockchain happen? Everyone needs to own some. And how do we get. That happened with the on ramp pasta shorter and so that's kind of designs. A lot of our drives a lot of our design decisions. I think when we built things and then just on a on a level of of introducing students to it. That's kind of what I tried to sell. As the importance of this launching Education Alliance alliance is the college campuses are going to be the first place that a lot of these people learn about blockchain and we get shape how it gets introduced the world And I think we have a big responsibility if we care about the things that we say we do too in a way that's productive to the space in general and to society and equitable and fair and an uplifting and that's why we started bitcoin. Radio Ray was We wanted to have a voice and Joe. You're such a great voice for us. Ah I enjoy absolutely well. Unfortunately what we're GONNA do here on. BITCOIN radio is. We're going to start bringing a lot more attention to the education into this in on this platform and we're going to have. I think we were even talking about doing this once a week. You know whether it's live or whether we're doing recordings or both you know. Obviously what do you think we should what do you. I think we'll obviously. I know a lot of these answers. But I'm asking you since you're the expert right But what do you think we will be discussing. What are some of the actual subjects that are gonNA come out of these discussions and what are we? What are we hoping to to accomplish one of the things and of course we need to discuss this more but one one of the things I think has been coming up? That is super interesting and I think it will be interesting to a larger audience is particular interests and concerns of various regions. So there's a lot of attention in certain parts like a lot of money gets funneled to certain parts of the world particularly coastal regions of the US. But there's also really great large four year universities in the midwest that are doing great things and blockchain different interests who who have a vested interest in agricultural L. Supply chain blockchain solutions that's a huge factor. especially like I mean as transparent as this as this day and age can be at other times it can be very easy to hide things whether it be fake purses to worded my eggs come from right. I mean a lot of people need to know these things. Yeah yeah until so so being able to listen to those concerns and see like what what do people in Latin America care about. You know there's a lot of remittance things going on right that that people care about being able to send money home other region by Goss like I mentioned before with Australia having a particularly bad public conception of cryptocurrencies currencies and feeling the need to to mitigate that through media. That's one student is seeing. So these are these are the ambassadors that I have collected people who've worked with us for a long time who are always eager to get on calls and work with us in an apply to our pitch competitions. You know we invest in student projects as well and that's like a large part of the university I see program is that we want to find young entrepreneurs and invest in their projects. So these these these students I've kind of collected as ambassadors for mouthful about university are the ones who know what's going on with blockchain in their region. They're trying to go to conferences and build their career and meet people and throw their own conferences. Actually you've been then a dear friend you've been kicking ass and the blockchain world. What do you do for fun? What is it that they say? Do What you love. And you'll never work a day in your life or have any good boundaries between working or you know some people do what they love in the end up hating it. Yeah no not not there yet not there. Yet though. CRYPTO crypto heard. We'll whether you I love all the means on one year after being in Crypto just like an old man now yeah I mean I'm only twenty three and I have a great first grey haired. Let's job I straight up like actually hide my as part of it. I got a little white part. You you can't see it on the seat or not but I mean even my beards going great like it's getting person I have non crypto hobbies. I do you obviously. You're philosopher. Yes yeah so. I'm always reading some Fossey. I really love to read science fiction. I'm just blowing blowing through Octavia Butler and Ursula located Glenn. These days and Ursula Kayla Gwynne was the sci fi writer Octavia Butler while. She's kind of considered the grandmother other of Afro futurist. So she was black writer and she wrote a lot about a phobia and used. You know aliens and this is what I love about loss burs. Let's let speculative fiction. You can create scenarios that would never happen in real life and therefore have a lot of thought experiments of like how an and then it reflects back back on the current culture and you'd have to look at ways that it meets what it means to be human and we're doing a good job of it or not. This is a good good place for me to energy star Trek. Because I'm a huge fan. I try to right. It's like a seinfield episode with Superman references. You know but but you know I noticed that like when I first I started watching star trek years ago like I just watched it for face value right and now that I'm older not seen each episode like fifty times. I I recognize you know how how important culture I think especially in the generations that actually watch star Trek They're really usually typically thinkers. You know people who are cheaper and you know. Really he can conceptualize I think these types of Of interactions that Star Trek has On at a high level and I'll never forget You know the certain certain episodes that stick with me and that I've always liked and and I'm not going to get any details but I'll never forget the moment I realized like there is. This is what they mean right and a lot of people and I'm you know there's an. I'm very libertarian. I'm four four liberty for humans and I I think most people will agree with liberty based principles and at least can explain myself somebody who may disagree disagree with me. Typically but but there's such a unifying factor around blockchain and bitcoin and so racist so much of the things that we don't or may perceive as different from one another whether it'd be different countries different areas regions different races etc.. As I swear it to you that I've always felt like bitcoin was great. Unifier under all the stuff. You know that we're going to be able to come together under this hope for liberty under bitcoin. You know I mean that's just kind of my thought and that's swap of my own Joe Philosophy but very basic very simple but very honest. Sure I mean I'll say I I've never really understood the tribalism in the crypto stays as because. I haven't actually seen it besides trolls online drake. I don't necessarily understand Bitcoin maximalism either or the tribalism. Because like I said before I've been saying like different concerns for different people in different philosophical concerns and commitments that make certain blockchain solution's better than others. If you really really really care about privacy. Bitcoin might not be it. If you really really really really care about speed this what are you willing to sacrifice for and those solutions look different for different products. especially if we're talking about real world you stay. Yeah so so. I've never really understood the tribalism or or anything like that. Before bitcoin existed there was no. I didn't never hear anybody saying saying. Oh we need one one dollar and that's it with the US dollar that should be. No I mean we have gold which has symbolized kind of a unifying value right and there's his other metals obviously but gold is the easy example and the most relevant example. I think as well but that's bitcoin and we have how many different currencies across the world. Some work some don't work some will fail L. or the most Fiat currencies at some point be replaced or fail but nevertheless you know I mean. BITCOIN is the gold. But there's going to be so many different operations that happened underneath underneath it and you know the I'm a maximum precious metals absolutely maximum to an extent right. I believe that Bitcoin dies right now. We're GONNA GONNA struggle with the blockchain period and so therefore I want bitcoin to be. I want Bitcoin to stay that way but I don't want anything else to like. Not I mean it's something were to take its place. I'm okay with that as long as it maintains or doesn't lose the same symbolic you know. I guess point that bitcoin health but we don't know what's next and we don't the coin it's going to be. We don't know what what project or what project is going to. Rise through these these acquaint ashes and become something you know and for all the people that ethos still doing relatively well compared to the six dollars when I first bought it right especially in price. But they're gonNA scale you got a whole bunch of people working on it the use cases or absolutely relevant. You know the one thing eighth back is the laws. The laws written by humans is. What's holding eastbound based on the security non non security? Somebody's GONNA figure this L.. Don't you think I wish we had a whole nother episode to talk about illegal. Okay so we'll go ahead. HadN'T WE'RE GONNA wind this up. I got a couple more things about including the quickfire but let's let's hit Lieber real quick because that is relevant to this conversation into the time period and we both were able to kind of catch. No no you probably watch more of it than I do but you know back in Congress sitting there explaining himself again so tell me what your high level. That's what are some of the things that you took away from this. I you know no I actually thought it was a very important moment to have on record in this time of our you know digital age of listing the grievances. All in one place did they are serious. And there are a lot of different ways that unpredictable technological advancement has completely changed our lives and one of the one one of the speakers. You know. Put a great metaphor. He said you've taken the box of the logistical puzzle. Box shaking it up and opened it. And all of the pieces have scattered around and now we're sitting here looking. Where do I fit in and touches? Everything right anti-discrimination election meddling in elections elections sex trafficking and now digital currencies. It's only the latest in a long list of grievances and I think it was a very serious question put forward of weather. The entire. Your company should be dissolved or not. That's that's how how many things this touches right so I think it was really important to hear it all in one place. I think it's really unfortunate about the cryptocurrency. Conversation is happening on the same stage because it is the entire hearing is about a lot of different things really unfortunate to to to have mischaracterization of the project of currency as a whole the product of crypto currency isn't to enable drug traffickers As a whole that's a gross mischaracterization whatever lieber is trying to do. Whatever a digital currency with some basket of currencies that a particular board that Sucker Berg May or may not be on the doesn't matter either there that's not the project of cryptocurrency full stop? Sure that's libra. No I love how how dangerous people think cryptocurrency is. I mean I mean how did these crimes ever take place before crypto. I just always failed to recognize like How people forget that this stuff didn't just start today? It may enable so. Does the cellphone right. I mean I it's there I mean. Of course I'm not saying that. There aren't enabling in fact the to the blockchain specific Bitcoin and specifically here libra would present. But I'm not against libra. I'm not necessarily for it but I think it's a really really important conversation for what's going to shape what what's going to happen next. Obviously and how Congress and the US government approaches cryptocurrency in the in the future. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean all really important conversations to be having and why I really believe that. This is now on a national stage and starting with students and in and universities and making sure that people are equipped to to understand these issues in talk intelligently about them and and defend themselves and their rights to privacy and their they're right says trade their right to their rights to engage in commerce is not being taken away under their noses boxing. I can't wait for our next episode when we do get into the legal aspect and find out what's actually going on underneath this curtain or this blanket so we'll go ahead and wind this interview now now obviously the fun parts coming coming in. This is when the whole world gets to find out a little bit about Ashley and it's called a quick fire. Are you ready. I am not prepared but just like you said prior to all the episodes that you've listened to and watch me do in some capacity. You should have known this was coming. I know I've forgotten till we started recording. Well fortunately I always pretend is always building up way way more than it is. I get everybody excited. And then it's just kind of basic questions but you know the first one is going to be and that is all have aliens ever visited planet or I just I find it highly unlikely. I read enough science fiction to know that if they found us they would US agree like there's there's there's two views ants where I'm not going to go kill an ant on my own like. Es The bite me for to kill right. So unless we're shooting missiles at these suckers they're not stopping and Dan were insignificant already figured out how to replicate like material where they don't have to eat or grow food molecules together but Interesting answer I go back INFO on it. Do you think aliens exist. Yes yeah I mean like this in the galaxy far far away like stores or is this a Oriskany star wars or is this like like star trek or a long long time ago stores and sickly. Impossible I find statistically impossible that we're the only because the anthropomorphic mark principal array because because we exist on anthropomorphic principle that my wife Because because life does exist it proves that it can happen verse so once. I think it's pretty like okay. So you're era philosopher. And so I think I like having this conversation with you especially on record because I think it's really cool to kind of get your unique way of balancing fitting pieces together here but you know whereas Bitcoin goes in his cryptocurrency exists. Humans have been able to kind of prove to themselves also that there was a different way to to to really exchange exchange value and my question is is obviously yes with electricity and with the cost of power you can put a intrinsic value on Bitcoin. But I honestly don't believe that anybody outside of the miners actually believes that's the price because you have people who think it should be worth one hundred thousand based on the speculative rarity and then you have other people who literally think that Bitcoin is worth zero. It's represent now. Typically I look at those people and say hey you know. You're you're ignorant naive and you don't understand why bitcoin exists but there's some really smart people and there's really people that are really well versed in economics and with principles of an economy actually mean and they know how to you figure out what value means that are really high level that I'm not capable of doing but you know when you have the two extremes. Obviously we all kind of find ourselves in the middle. What do you think ink is truly what the value should be based off of a bitcoin? I know that's pretty deep but I feel like in this conversation with that explanation. You should be able to handle. Oh pretty easily. Yeah I like thinking about it as a store of value And I think that it should be based off of how rare does I agree completely. I hate that I give you all the answers. Yeah I mean as far as like a daily AH use HAM hands on application. That's on my phone speed of transaction I don't know if it's the answer for as a day-today currency but I really like thinking about it. As a as a long-term investment or a story value agreed completely agree. You know I mean gold is valued high because it's scarce. You know it's not like it's it's an every hole you dig right and it's also you know Shining looks pretty right and although you can't see how shiny and how pretty bitcoin is on the Internet. You could deathly hallows shining pretty. It looks in your wallet right on those numbers. START ADDING UP I I. I really look forward to seeing how bitcoin is used and how it stored right and how it's you know it's it's protected. I mean like custody is going to change to make all these things easier. It's GonNa make everything more implement an implementable and we're not just talking about you. You know the basic transaction bitcoin for this amount. You know we're also talking about what happens when you know your your home. Deed is on blockchain. And now you're storing your home indeed on your on your on your Wallet Right. I mean that's got that you can't lose your ledger with your your home deed on right. I mean people are going to figure this out. It's it's it's the nature nature of humans now moving on My my next question and you know this is a very deep question But you know we'll make it as simple as possible but bitcoin as a political liberal party yes or no now like a bitcoin candidate would run for office and not for them. There's not an issue for president. Joe Earned for president. Not yet on anytime Ashley for President. Yeah we can run on ticket. I'll be your vice president couple years for your campaign manager. I'll be White House spokesperson. I feel like this is just a natural progression from bitcoin radio that we're going to start bitcoin. Arnie party thirty. I'm Patrick has anything to say about it. We will right. Yeah so you couldn't see bitcoin candidate or a group of US uniting signing underneath that bitcoin flag and actually just breaking off and saying you know we're not Democrats we're not Republicans this is what we value and this is the important subjects are today and these are less important now. Not Saying they're not other issues aren't important but this is what we value the most and this is what the future of our country needs. Obviously speaking as American but it doesn't have to be only America and yes right but what if there was I would see something more like almost like an ethical tech kind of coalition or something where where where Where it's a party specifically concerned with All of these things. A machine learning blockchain space space Energy just who are really committed to using all this technical innovation and progress and committing to making sure our regulators regulators Actually now that they're talking about when they regulate it. I could see that party. So why don't we just call the BITCOIN party. Okay fine. You could be the leader as long as I'M GONNA leader. I don't care what it's called. Here's your expert. Everybody all right okay so a couple of questions. WHOA and the next one is another question but bitcoin can ever be a million dollars could ever I don't I don't know good answer? I'll leave it at that. Who's been your biggest influence in Crypto? Everyone on the mouse felt team. She agreed Gaylon of course our CTO boy genius breath just extremely hard worker super knowledgeable zones building and building cool stuff with him for for years and Patrick as well while crypto twitter is like a entertaining like carpet. If crypto turn on twitter could be personified that would be one of my fair ours. I actually personally consider crypto twitter to be very hard to navigate. But it's only because I haven't been in it until recently and if you're a newbie starting and CD you know. You're you're in for a rough you know. What's the word introduction? Yeah you know. I've actually really enjoyed having seen McAfee on the show You know I was on a boat with them a year and a half ago. I look you've told me that before. Just now remembering missile. meet him but yeah. I definitely admires. It was the crypto career so we shared. We shared a Dan. I'm Maria sorry I mean I don't know why sobriety but you Maria went. Yeah it's been it's been cool to learn historian and the Janice McAfee episode. Ed had me in tears like truly like it really was powerful and I really you could hear her in in that and how much that this journey's meant to her. Okay so we'll wander down here with his last question and actually I've got to make sure that you know before asking want you to everybody. Where where can they find you if they wanted to touch base with the? Oh I've gotTA talk to actually. I'm a university student student at the University of so and so and I wanna I wanNA have my own blockchain cluber. I'm ready right now. What these people do? Yeah this checkout mouse fell anything if you Google blockchain action accelerator. We are the first thing that comes upon Ashley. Asa Chill I. E AT DOT COM mouse still dot university is our university excite DOT COM. You can find me. Blockchain Week at the blockchain center all things blockchain. All the time. All things blockchain all the time all right Ashley. If you were to write a book about blockchain what would you name it. Oh crap I feel like this is something. I probably thought about before because we spent so long brainstorming. BITCOIN radio ideas like I feel like the title of my book is in their own. Oh I've told you told me this and it's going to be my mm-hmm memoir about this time.
eps.048 - Demetrios Skalkotos - Ledger Vault
"What's up bitcoin Radio Joe Blackburn earn and you are listening to WDC? bitcoin lives today. We have a special show and I'll get to that the second as the space has kind of grown as the space has matured. It seems to me that people forget like all the building blocks took to get here and yeah the bad apples. They kinda shine the brightest unfortunately like in the news. Because that's what you click on. That's what I click onto like. Don't get me wrong where humans we like drama but often times and I don't WanNa say the word forgotten that probably isn't the right lead in but you know we failed to recognize the companies that have built. You know the foundation of what's to come and there's probably a good fifty fifty to seventy five. Maybe even one hundred companies that fall in line of you know that really done something for the space when I think of those strong brand names than when I think of those people that really were influential in the start of the Kripa space as we know it there. There's really a a top five and one of those ledger today. We have the honour. We're going to have a Dmitri's Kakada's join us here. Shortly and He's the Head of the ledger. Global Vaults and he's GonNa explain that in a second because obviously I'm pretty new to what all all that entails but you know I really WanNa make sure that you know as this interview starts you recognize. These are the types of companies that I wanNA have on like. This is what I wanna hear. This is how I want to hear it. I want to hear it. From the Horse's mouth from credible companies that have watched the space that have watched the bad players bad apples apples and and really ultimately you know brought tremendous credibility to the space. Because they've done things right and so s conversation I WanNa have today with Kamajors. And he's going to be able to explain a little bit about what they got going on. I know they got some big news. We'll hit that. Probably pretty pretty quickly. He wants to be get on But you know as always I want to get big shut out so you know the production team. Jim You guys have seen on the live. Show Pat Patrick mclain mouse belt as a whole must some huge things and I can't wait to talk a little bit more about that. I've I've got Ashley Meredith Joining me hopefully some point this week maybe even not allowing them live but nevertheless let's go ahead and break it in with Dimitrius I'm going to bring on here shortly. What's up Dimitrius? Welcome to the show man. Joe thanks very much really appreciate being on the show. No Dude it's it's an honor. Mind Dimitrios as you heard in the intro. Very Fond of ledger the credibility that they brought the space as has been rivaled by very few few entities. Probably more. So you know it's been a staple it's been a standard at this point to a lot of a lot of ways that this this entire space has has learned to grow you know so let's go ahead and hear from you Manda tell about yourself. Sure no thank you again for the opportunity created so been with ledger just over a year came from the traditional financial services space spent a considerable amount of time on both US based exchanges intercontinental exchange. New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq running a software as a service business for them and really excited the fee in a in the in the digital asset space and a really articulating in educating the the marketplace on an enterprise a technology solution to secure digital assets. Now awesome and you bring out some some big terms there and I hear unaccountable intercontinental exchange which obviously a lot of us are familiar with you. Know in the crypto space as you know the the head of back but also you know as the the rest of the world knows it. New York Stock Exchange falls underneath the umbrella. That's that's a lot of a lot of you know big that's pretty impressive Dimitrius to say the least but let's talk about you know where you stand right now. Who are you? What do you do in the space? And what does that mean so ledger. If I can take a stake back Joe just to give you a sense ledger. has you know huge jam. Visions as a technology provider security technology provider. And you're right we've been in business now for five years. We just passed our five year. Anniversary Trieste Guebre thank you And we all as everybody knows ledger. We got our start on the retail side of developing the Nanno s and then we launched earlier this this year than the nano x which is a little bit bigger version more storage bigger screen size and more more coins support and we really attribute our success to our customer adoption and really trying to meet our customers as in really trying to make life easier for them to secure digital assets for them. We felt the need and saw the need Early on in the growth of ledger to say look there needs to be an enterprise component to this. We've been we're being asked by our customers to say. Look your retail products. Fantastic fantastic but I need something that has more governance protocols to it. And that's why we got into this enterprise space to relate out the call it the trading community the asset management community the exchange community and the banks and trust community a more robust platform that allows them to Secure their digital assets that for themselves or provide a service into the marketplace and. Obviously there's some big news that just came out and by the time. The folks listen to podcasts. You know it'll be a few days later but you know last week. You guys announced some big things and I'll let you obviously get into that in a minute but prior to tell us that stuff dimitrios tell me a little bit you know what what does it mean when someone says the you know the enterprise you know solutions here or the enterprise aspect compared to what most of us know as as you already explain you know. Ledger Nanno s or the X.. As as noted. But what is enterprise actually do and of course you did make some notes of some of the things but a lot of people don't really understand what that means it's a little. Edible is a multi multi authorization while it management solutions for the financial services space so it really provides a platform to allow customers to design their wallet structure to the to the specifications specifications of their risk tolerance if they need a wallet structure that is a relatively warm hot or if they need something. That's relatively cold. You know they can design we put we put the technology into the customer's hands. They control one hundred percent of their keys. They have instant access to their funds and and we provide them. Technology do to run their their business as they see fit as if they want to secure assets for themselves or if they want to be a regulated entity in offer custodial service in the marketplace. Yes we really just want to be the digital plumbing. For the for the custodial space the exchange space the secure assets because we want the space to to move forward to the next level and I and become more mainstream sure now a great explanation. What would be like in? Obviously this is just an example. They're probably specifics. Wouldn't be appropriate here for obvious. He's reasons but what would be an example of of an entity that would want to use your services so we've got great diversification since we went generally available in January of this year we're approaching fifty customers customers that are using the enterprise bald and they range from crypto hedge funds to family offices to exchanges both medium and smaller oh exchanges. We've just announced that the about a month or so ago that bid stamp will be customer us on the Ledger. Vault as part of their solution. we also has payment companies and we also have traditional trust companies and banks that are offering a custody service into the marketplace. And so for those listening I think when he says fifty customers that the amount of crypto currency that's running through those Fifty customers can probably exceed exceed a lot of money at times. BITCOIN CRYPTO And that's obviously an assumption and I don't want to speak as if I know I would assume that at least right we. We've got a lot of folks definitely engaged with a platform and using Joan's capabilities. Yeah well and that goes to the point you know custody services you know I mean this is a lot of things that are happening you know how. How would one protect their money? Like how it wouldn't protect their crypto assets their digital assets. And I know you guys have some big news and clearly as most of us understand. Especially if you're listening to podcasts. Doc as you probably have a briefer minimal understanding at at at at the smallest amount. At least you understand what a ledger is. Or what a wall it does right but on a higher level it can get a little more complicated we can get to get into that in a minute but you know there's finally been with you guys some some some really cool stuff that you've been able to talk about. I'm sure it's been in the works for some time. Why don't go ahead and tell us a little about what? What would you guys just last week yet? We're just announced last week. That we're preparing a pretty sizable insurance crime insurance policy On the ledger ball platform again. Ledger volt is were not a custodian. Were not a regulated entity were technology provider. And I think we're one of the very few technology providers in the space that procured insurance our customers were asking for. They said look. We need to make life easier for us. We don't WanNa put the onus onus on each individual customer so we engaged with the insurance providers the world largest insurance broker marsh and also the top up a plus rated underwriters in the space arch to come develop a customized program for for Ledger and for the volt platform and we announced last week to where we will be procuring. One hundred fifty million dollars of pulled insurance for customers to participate on God forbid they have a claim that they wanna make now the other cool thing is that the customers can then procured their own insurance on top of our insurance for themselves so they benefit from our our platform and then they can also get a named insurance specifically for for themselves. And I think as a technology provider Zuyder we make life a lot easier for customers to adapt our platform and start using our platform. More expeditiously Took US eight months to get get through this process so if I can save eight months from a customer or potential customer going through technology and security diligence of how they're securing digital assets. Yes I think will really save them a lot of time effort and money. The only thing that customer needs to do now if they want to procure their own insurance is is go through a less than a month process this up how they're using the platform and the personal security devices in how they're backing up with their crypto steals it were providing that the customer is using as backup to their to their platform. And that really helps him save a lot of time effort and money so we're trying to get further adoption by by doing what's right for the customer base in our prospects for them to Start using the platform to secure their assets. Chur you know you said you know this is kind of in the work for eight months or so. I'm actually really really impressed. How quickly you guys were able to kind of help them through this because this seems like a process? There's the crypto space is ever-evolving. There's all these it's really these different things that can happen. I mean it's it's endless. It's something that I think we as a insurance you know company. I would be really you. You know I mean I pull my hair out trying to figure it out. I mean these people have a lot of experience in crypto prior to Yes I think the folks have had experience but but again the the space is evolving They may have had a certain view of the space. They all bring in their own technology consultants to be a part of this Security process to make sure that they understand what our engineering team security team's articulating about how we secured the keys. And how we provide a complete technology stack and and and provide a very secure encrypted environment for folks to conduct their business so it's always an educational process. It's always an evolution and we're glad to see that traditional insurance provider that has traditionally written insurance insurance for four things that have been more coal storage related to really adopt and be comfortable with technology in in moving that industry forward. I'm sure that's really impressive. And I love hearing that. As a huge proponent of mass adoption especially for the major digital assets that exists the the big coins the theorems they the etc.. You know those those are really you know. Put a put the ability to be confident in Crypto. Obviously the price does fluctuate eight and. That's not what I'm talking about. But you know the consistency of these products in these in these. This technology has been you know really second when it comes to any type of alternative Indiv- currency than what we're that we consider Fiat and the US dollar you know all the other major currencies out there like this to me right now as as we're at the beginning of the cusp of this great technological movement this this misunderstanding of what criminal or maybe not even misunderstanding. A lot of people's understandings of what cryptocurrency was was accurate. You know five six seven years ago but today it is very different. And they don't understand that blockchain is evolving to a certain level. And I say this all the time I probably said it on four five my podcast hot cast today. We're talking about currency movements tomorrow. We're talking about the deed of your home right or tomorrow we're talking about you know any digitally you know movable how how would go to the the Notary Clark here. I'm from the downside down south. I assume that everybody else has not Clark's but I go to go find closest notary clerk. Clark notarize it. Well that should be on the blockchain. That should that should be able to be verified. You lose your notarized piece of paper and they don't remember or they lose there's nobody has Zinni record of it. The ledgers that that existed yesterday they are going to be implemented into the blockchain. This this custodial issue that is going to exist for a lot of people need to be solved by credible companies and I think ledgers probably GONNA lead lead the way in that if they're not. I know there's a lot of hard work that goes into being able to maintain maintain these things. But let me ask you what I mean I to me ledger so scalable just because of the side of the industry you're in. What is the future for ledger right now? In the global so again first and foremost really think of letter In all phases of our business retail institutional and even on the Internet of things type tape ability where we have certain using technology where first and foremost a security technology company and we want to provide a comfort and ease of use use for any critical digital asset we want to secure any critical digital asset. We're not willing to discern This that or the other any any critical digital asset that has been digitized. We want to secure it and make it safe for user base. So whether they're Adid as you mentioned to your real estate to the next next the next coin that's being developed the next application as being developed if it's a critical digital asset we want secure And that's really our approach from a retail perspective institutional perspective and even the evolving market of The Internet defense. Have you seen the interest from outside start starting adding to pick up. or how has it been slowing down with the rest of the market. What what's what's the view from your side? Look like from a from an institutional perspective. We continue to see engagement gauge -ment and adoption. You know look you you have some of the big technology companies making announcements in moving into this face got some some of the really big legitimate exchanges discussed earlier You know really moving into the space and doing some wonderful things so again that helps legitimize jeopardize the space that helps to make it more mainstream that all those things are good right so there it is going to be an evolution is going to take take a great deal of time for it to become a completely mainstream. There's obviously some some hurdles that we need to overcome but you know from an underlying technology analogy perspective security is paramount. And and that's where ledger comes into play. So whether you want to secure your assets from a your own individual vigil perspective or you want secure your entity because you're an exchange or a proprietary trading firm or a bank or trust company opening your offering a service into the marketplace. We feel that we're going to be the digital plumbing to offer security at scale ability to all those entities. Yeah love it as someone who's involved in the community I mean I'm guilty of this myself at times but you know I when when I say the words mass adoption to a lot of people what that means is bitcoins million dollars. That's mass adoption to them right. They forget about all those steps in between and I look at Leger as a critical entity for for allowing the result of mass adoption which hopefully then is bitcoin. Two million dollars. We'll have that conversation later but you know before that though as as noted things have to happen have to happen in a really large way. I don't think most people recognize the the the the fear that companies may have stepping into the space or utilizing even if it would make it easier for them based off of you know the the ability for the security to be a huge not just an issue but literally happened like you. I mean we we if we got exchanges still getting hacked right. I mean like that's a problem and without necessary you know in today's like revolt and things that kind of fall in line with that. We're not going anywhere else. I mean these things have to happen. I they've gotTa make it where other institutions at a high level can utilize the blockchain. Make it easy. What has been the biggest biggest obstacle not only ledger volt but really even for the public? Maybe even say is are they correlated at all or is it completely separate from your your problems obviously on technological logical level. It's probably different than what the public sees. But you know what's what's the obstacles that you guys have had to overcome or may still have to you know there's there's obstacles each and every day there's Obviously depending upon the country that you're operating in there is regulatory guidelines or regulatory ambiguity. And I think the regulatory aspect aspect of things is something that you know. We take really seriously as a global enterprise company that we WANNA make sure that we're doing our part enjoying wing are are other peers in the space to educate And and have a dialogue with the regulators to make sure that their understanding the technology that we're bringing to the forefront and and how it can be adopted into their thinking moving forward so so that's that's a component of it. Also folks you know traditionally you think alleger as a as a retail hardware wallet provider security provider in. That's true in case that we've sold over a million six of the of our Nanno devices. We're clearly the top provider on the on the on the retail cold-storage Wallet Space and we WanNa be dominant player on the enterprise space to as well how just launching this year and having fifty customer. So it's always constant education articulating the technology articulating the security ramification governance layers in protocols. And then the the regulatory component to it again we're not we're not a regulated entity where provider everybody. That's interacting in using using our platform has had some touch points within the regulation Community and they need to make sure that the platforms that they're using comply with what the what what they're what they need. I mean I'm proud of you but I don't envy you that. This is an undertaking right. You Know I. I'm very very very confident. That level in Leger as as an entity as a whole you know are more than capable and have proven to be such but man like this. This is a burden I. I can't imagine being overseeing this and and it so congratulations and I'm sorry at the same time I'm sure that you you can. You can say it's okay. Okay you know I mean obviously you're still there and your enjoying it but let's talk a little bit about before you got a letter you know you you've been very experienced. You have a lot of different contacts and you have a lot of people around you. I'm sure that you you've worked within your network seems to be quite large. You know what is what is your view from like what is their view of what you're doing now did when when you left you know I Z. Exchange or less than the other you know areas or your friends have seen that your were they like. What are you doing are is that are you crazy or were they like? Wow tell me more I get the question. All the time is like how did you get into it And not more. Why did you get into it? But how did you get into and look I I. It's great great to be a part of a emerging technology is great to be a part of a security company that has huge aspirations and be a part of building a a building something and building a team building a business. So those are the questions that I usually get From from what you would call a traditional financial services or exchange inch base folks but there where they They are paying a lot more attention to whether it's the data aspect of things. The trading aspects of things the digital aspects of things digitizing of the world aspects of things. So again everything. That's happening in moving this this Asset class forward is continuing to evolve to be more more mainstream. So did they come to you or did you go to them before you work for ledger. I actually had an uh-huh colleague of mine that I work with at Nasdaq said hey you know you should really contemplate thinking about getting into the space. Got A couple folks at the you could work with and that's how I got started and then I caught. The bug dislike everybody else does and and then was able to build a relationship with ledger and then in started just a just over a year ago and trying to build out their their enterprise business again it's a global market but You know the US North American market is is quite substantial in huge. We WanNa make sure that we're putting our best foot forward in educating landscape here and having our technology adopted here yeah you know the the space poses like an interesting dynamic like for you to be relevant to accompany they kind of have to need it right on an enterprise level like they've gotta be they've gotta be doing something on the blockchain so people adopting the technology is is very vital. Not necessarily maybe to you. No you guys staying alive because there's obviously plenty of success happening at the moment but for the expansion for growth. What do you I mean? Since they're such a potential attention everybody WHO's coming in is brand new for the most part whether it's a business or whether it's a new person you know the all the veterans are here already right so whether you're a company or whether you're her individual on the retail side everybody's relatively unsure or probably unaware of a lot of things and whether you being consulted or met whether you're figuring out on your own you know Leger has a obviously revolt as well. I guess how I say. Both Saint Leger electrical. Okay cool so leger. As A- An entire company you know they they have a vested interest in the in the space growing. What are some of the things that ledgers to help? Make that real will I think it's it's constant education. It's constant collaborating and working with our with the the digital community so particularly on the retail retail side The community interacts with ledger Quite substantially You know were open source platform in pretty predominantly In the community if they want supported their particular coin on on the nanoproducts set they work with our development team. Work with our security team and then Once it passes our security protocols than we announce a new support on the retail product at sub being supported on on the no s or the axe from the volt perspective perspective. You know we obviously are listening to our customers and understanding what coins that they supported. And then we work with that community or rebuild at point support out ourselves because we WANNA make sure everybody stains within that Secure Enclave of the Ledger Ball and can get their coin supported in and and allow them to interact and move their funds accordingly to as they see fit. But it's really is really being also Being a good steward of the of the space right so we have a very advanced security gene ledger. We have our own Red Blue Red and blue team. They they basically a sickly tests and and try to break every aspect of what we have in our ecosystem also test other products addicts that are in the marketplace as well and we obviously do responsible disclosure if we find certain instances that we think another provider when our suppliers should fix six as we want this space to succeed so again. We're first and foremost a security company in in that security team is really testing each and every every component within this ecosystem as well as everything that touches ledger in general to make sure that the that the that the entire space moves forward. You have an interesting perspective where your seat is. And all this as the as the cryptovest goes and you know. Obviously currency and exchange. Each ability is is still the number one use case for digital assets and specifically as a as bitcoin goes right. I mean you're using bitcoin to pay something or to exchange goods of some sort and that's your payment But what do you see as from your perspective and from your seat as as I said second ago I go. What do you see as the next big thing like what's what's happening? Or what are you seeing. That gives you the confidence that it's more than a currency or that were that were here at at this point where other things are being used or are you being contacted about something specifically not really Joe. I think what we're seeing a AH is really. If it's going to be digitized. Can you secure. I mean those are the questions and conversations that that were having so again we're allowing Wing this entire ecosystem to develop their product or their coins order technology and then they wanna make sure that it can be adopted to our products regional institutional and can end can they can be secured Not just at rest but also in transit rights things want you WANNA be able to into move it you wanna be able to trade. It WanNa make sure that you clear it. All these things have a workflow Within within the Security Paradigm and we WanNa make sure sure Each and every step of the way in were addressing our clients needs sure. Yeah and you know. I look at the gaming industry for example right and I I mean I've fortnight fortnight or any of these other big games that are going on At some point they're going to token is or make these purchases is that they buy some sort of asset that is transferable or that it's movable And I think that's a really exciting use case for cryptocurrencies currencies in general For the blockchain as as a as a whole to be able to not just you know moved. Maybe some coins that you bought to be able to purchase items but also the items themselves and when that happens it opens up a brand new world where you know you know just where you can exchange. Maybe even within certain games based on Based on what the blockchain is is going to be able to integrate into. But I even see that like I mean. There's going to be rare items whether it's world of warcraft whether it's fortnight whether it's you know some other gaming people would need a secure that and ledger obviously is is one of the biggest in the leader of of that part of the space I mean. Is that something. Obviously you guys are going to be accommodate. Is that something. You're ready for it right now if that were to happen. I don't know that we're ready for right now but again. We're we're not here to pick and choose joe where here to anybody that wants to digitize anything and they wanted secure. Our job is is to satisfy that community and secure it so whether they're on the retail side they're working with our security development team in on the institutional side so again first and foremost were security company and we want to secure any critical digital assets or a fortnight application. We want it. You're if it's the next thing in the payments processing system than we want to secure it if it's your. Gd Your House or the title to your car. We want to secure if the community to do so. No I love the one of the things that people have to remember is they need to know these things right so like if you're listening and you know Oh company or if you want fortnight to use this for their skins or whatever it might be go tell them you gotTa let him know folks right. You have to let because I. I'm sure you've faces all time. People don't leaving. No this is an option. Is that something you're finding out. When you're having conversation with people a I think on the enterprise side its continuous education because again ledgers has been in the retail business for over five years? Done a phenomenal job in securing the retail community for digital assets. And now we want to extend that On the enterprise price side. But it's you know there's there's no shortage as demand a folks wanting things secured its -tising them and working with the community ready to how best approach it and you know as we see fit as the market demands Continue to evolve. That's what our job is is really to secure any critical digital asset obviously with some type of prioritization In a way to kind of move expeditiously through the demand. What are some some of the things that you've seen that like? What has blown your mind in this space? Oh for your passion and conviction of from from from all aspects of of really believing in in the technology and the limitless capabilities that they think it can have and what people are doing in building towards I think is pretty cool Whether you do things as an investment or you view do things as payment methods It's not for me to judge. It's for me to just to secure and and make sure that people can feel comfortable that That they have their their assets stored and then they have their essence secured even when they're in motion to as well for whatever the application is. But I loved it. I loved the passionate conviction and I love share diligence. People's heads down trying to build this business l.. Absolutely and I think it's a great explanation Asia and you you said it perfectly. You don't care what it is you just want to secure it. I mean. Obviously that's that's a very simple statement I just made and there's more to it than that but you know I I commend you for that Kamajors. You guys are obviously done a great job or else you wouldn't be here anymore and And few have rivaled. You know that your success is accompanying so I'm also grateful for your contributions to the space. I think everybody should be to one extent or the next. We're all in this together and you'll hear me say at the very end as we sign off. But I do this thing at the end and I don't want to make sure that we miss anything thing. Is there anything else we need to cover before we start my quickfire. No I think we covered. We covered the we cover the gamut good so I think I thank you for the time. Well let's go ahead before I do my quickfire questions and these are fun. I do this at the end of each marquess where I I didn't even warn apologize. I try to warn folks as you know but these are lighthearted fun questions you know that you can pass or whatever it might be but before we do that. Where can people find you at man twitter? You know website. What's what's the best way to get in contact? I so you know. There's so many avenues nowadays on Lincoln. I'm on twitter. I'm you know I'm on the majority of the the communication platforms sure. Sure and what if whatever of course course and if someone had a company and they wanted to explore maybe some options with the with the legend volt you know what would be the best way of starting that process they could go to the ledger. Dot Com slash A website and registered there and and submit their Request to be reached out to learn more about the alleged all serve steel free to to go to the VOLPE. Gin and connect connect with US via linked in the North will be happy to respond. Awesome okay so everybody go give him some love. Go follow him on twitter or go. You'll like him on on Lincoln but Dimitrius again before we get started on this. Thanks again for coming on means a lot and I've had tremendous time you've been exceptional in your explanations explanations and I appreciate you dealing with me trying to simplify this for my own self. Not just the audience Keke simple joe try hard. It can progress at the time the interest I really do of course of course all right so without further ado let's go ahead and dive into the quickfire session and I always I mix it up but I I like starting with this want especially with folks. I don't know so we'll get to that more the questions afterwards but favorite movie and I know this is a very loaded question. People take this very seriously so if you have one or two or orthodoxy you feel free to give them all shadows but what would you say is your favorite movie. There's a ton Joe. I would say. Probably the Godfather series classics. Yes yes no I agree. I'm have Tien so obviously a little to me all right moving on Bitcoin as a political party yes or no as a political party No no interesting expand. I guess what do you mean by political party. It's a generic question. So it's what you what you feel like needs to be addressed if it's just no it's just now I feel you right. You know I think that The space is is all about bitcoin today but I think in order for the space to be much more robust and adaptive. We need other things that are just as strong or eventually stronger than bitcoin. So I think that's that's what I think The space needs for further success. And I know that people are building each and every one of those things so So yeah I mean. I'm very strong. Bitcoin Bitcoin is where it's at today and I'm a true believer in Bitcoin. But I think in order for the overall general adoption in in space to succeed there could be more things that need to be astro. Sure those are good points. There's no right or wrong answers. This is obviously opinion. So my next question little off off-topic little strange aliens. Not Do they exist. Have they ever visited the planet Earth because obviously if they exist they visit Winterthur exist right. Did you listen to my conversation. I have last night with my cousin. Because I get a about a blurb a day from him a text today that Aliens exist in. Here's a citing all that stuff I believe I believe that there is a Other things in our universe So yeah we have proof he think so but I think that we can't be alone in some way shape or form sure and most I think the majority especially of Western people were majority of Americans specifically. I mean whether you believe in you know a certain faith or whether you believe in aliens itself I mean that would that would incites or at least that is something else is out there right regardless so it's fun upon and I like to get people's perspectives and kind of get outside the box a little bit all right so bitcoin can get can't get to a million dollars. You know. Joe I don't know and if I knew I probably wouldn't be talking to you. Can't you know you know being part of the exchanges for the majority of my career career. You know I I stay away from those questions because again I think it's it's very personal and individual for each person to make their own determination Do their own research in and find out what they they valued the underlying asset to be and where they think it's GonNa go they value it. That's fantastic as I do right so if you noticed I actually asked that question a very specific way. Can it get to a million dollars. Not Will it right so we remove. move the idea that it's financial advice because it's not and this is not a financial advice. This is human broadcast so can't get two million dollars. mathematically you can so you can base it on you know some some formula. Could it sure yeah. I mean in theory so But Yeah I completely understand where you're coming from but just for the record can't ourselves to make sure you feel all right so you know as as we wind down Dimitrios. Obviously I appreciate you coming on You know we. We have a lot of growth. That still needs to happen in this space to to really make an impact on the world but I think ledgers one of those few companies that is in front of this that understands recognizes the severity of these opportunities that need to be able to be fulfilled. Like if someone wants to do it. They have to be able to do this. Somehow and ledgers been on the forefront of that. I I WANNA thank you for your contributions for the for ledger. In general I wish you nothing but the best and look forward to hopefully. Hopefully you know we have this conversation again. You know whether it be in a month or a year or five years the next. Maybe we'll come back on the show. We can have this conversation and they were talking about even bigger and better things I would expect. I would hope so joe again. Thank you very much. We've got a very dedicated team. Global team predominantly in France in Paris. That are Really building out All the capabilities that our customers want and desire from a security aspects so So we're definitely Finnan business business for five years. We plan on being business for a great deal longer and we have some huge aspirations in this space and other critical digital assets that we need to secure absolutely absolutely absolutely and Before we get off I definitely want to say thank you to jake was able to connect Dmitry's from NPR any words. The guys do a great job loved. Love those guys absolutely completely agree all right until next time bitcoin radio I appreciate everybody's thoughts give me your. Give me your opinions. Let me know what's going on with you. Want me to interview somebody you know where to find. I may Dimitrius once again thanks. We'll see you next time. Thanks Joe Together.
eps.049 - LIVE - IS BITCOIN DEAD!?
"What's up cream Radio Ismat Joe Blackburn? Joined with me is are the managers. Can't Paulie what's going on Jim. Oh my goodness what a week. The game boys pack it up. Qurna go home bitcoins done see Aleida a `love' `love' Jim. Great great great use of that awesome system. You've got back over there well what's up. WBZ Say thanks Jim for that. Awesome intro in that that welcome. Obviously obviously bitcoins. Could've been a little bit steadier. Seventy one hundred seventy one fifty. I feel like if we stay at this price for pretty bullish actually moving up at some point. Of course it's opinion. I'm always bullish Polish. Shut up jam. I don't WanNa hear all that Jim shaking his head for those less. Now I've been reading. I've been reading the facebook posts. I've been reading a a game over dude back it up. bitcoins done bitcoins bitcoins. Dead and buried my dude. I did hear some things but we'll get into that here shortly as people may notice here for the Thanksgiving. I'm at my folks house. I'm borrowing my dad's office. I'm sitting here trying to make Internet connection work down here in the state of Alabama Obama and Jim. I know you're back home in your typical Jimmy Fallon Studio so As this holiday we can get caught up you know and we get there on Thursday and happy could drive the be respectful. Losing me. Now I get you back your back. Yeah be respectful and have a safe holiday. I mean this is a holiday for the the. US folks we're talking worldwide. But I mean in the stop and take a second to just think about what. They're thankful for the United States and for me. That's how foolish I am on Bitcoin and Jim's got all these really crazy ideas because old new Jim. Oh there's been scouring Internet finding everything he can about. bitcoin is going down to two thousand hours. So tell me what you've learned. Yeah Oh yeah you know what I did see. Some people. Saint Two thousand a lot of people were saying thirty five hundred and then it'll bounce awesome. Then it'll die like it's GonNa Bounce just die again But yeah you know what two thousand and I feel like that could be too because the price is going down pack it up. BITCOINS joins over game over man. It was fun while lasted. Or you know Y- Gem I the thing is I understand and I appreciate the way. I don't think Jim actually feels feels that way. People were gonNA pretend like he does tonight. I don't think that's actually the case. But I love his ability to be the devil's advocate here. And we're GONNA have a slight discussion about this. You know your your thanksgiving. You seem bitcoin go down. Guess what twenty seventeen. We had an awesome Thanksgiving everybody but that twenty seventeen. The price was just about where it is today. Jim and that's what's funny. Is what a difference that feeling is because we were coming from the bottom of what we consider a low but it was really a high at that point which was at twelve fourteen. Fifteen twenty five hundred three thousand five thousand or runs next thing. You know November twenty seventeen Jim. Guess what. We're at six thousand bucks. Well guess what two years later. We're at six seven thousand bucks. Guess what last year I I think what we were around six or seven thousand bucks. You know I mean it's it's been pretty consistent how this the November's have been around this price regardless list of which sit at what sediment you feel. It's been steady at this price. Isn't that interesting. Yeah Yeah I mean I have heard the other side of it is people say it's just the holiday holiday sale. It's just bitcoin. Though the Black Friday came early for bitcoin still just slashing prices. So you can get in on it now. Is there like you mentioned you know Thanksgiving you know we're we're. We're on the cusp here. Now for the people that do go home for Thanksgiving and you you try to talk to your family about crypto. Now if they get a little wind of this you have to try to explain yourself now with this. I guess the Fund is the right word shirt regularly yet. No I think it's a great question especially because you know. We have bitcoin for Christmas right. So mouse felt myself. Jim Josh Donaldson View. Others Ashley Meredith. Obviously in all the great work with mouse vogue is the developers. You know we really All pitched in our thoughts ideas we put together all these things to be able to have this conversation with folks and although it says Bitcoin for Christmas I mean it's irrelevant with the holiday is or whether it's a holiday or not. It's just a place to go and be able to have resources that allow you to not only see. Hey this is a way to to be able to Explain certain information but the guide allow others to figure it out for themselves. which I think's really special? It's important that we recognize that. This is hard to understand. It's a concept that people we are ready probably have a generic idea about and if they had thought really highly of it already began. So everybody you're talking to hasn't bought end right folks so that that population that people that have not bought in they they need to be spoken to and you don't have to fight with them to get your point across right if you start arguing you're going to be like oh big ones right and there'd be like bitcoins wrong just because people just argue they all have this idea that we're all on the Internet still and at and a little bit of money instead of flavor you're GonNa get a recipe for disaster so handling yourself properly really important Jim to to your point here. I think it's very important time for people to get caught up refresh on the basics of bitcoin. Why does it matter? How does it work? What is the expectations? And what was Sushi's original intentions. What we're his? What was the reasons why he was doing this? And if you think back people if you go back to two thousand eight in there in the financial crisis does it surprise you. That two thousand nine you know the to- she's worked began and then by two thousand ten January two thousand ten. You know we were really up and going going in two thousand nine. We're up going January. And then she did. We made our our first one year anniversary of a a working product. That's why we are here today right so think about that not. Bitcoin was literally born from that moment in time that financial crisis whoever they are that person he or she or non binary as as Actually likes to remind me It it's irrelevant. Who Said Oh she is I just know this? They saw that there was a problem. They fix it they say. Here's a solution rather than complained rather than vote for this person that person who has done nothing they just fixed it and we're used but yeah but that's kind of my thing though. Is that the monkey wrench into the idea of Bitcoin for Christmas. Because does it make it a tougher sell right now because even people in the community acts acts like it's dead and I understand that just because the highs and lows of you know watching the charts and all that but it's almost harder to talk about now when you have it's like you have more of a barrier to go up against the try to explain someone not in the space because if you tell them about bitcoin and then they google it and they see we all these articles that are about how bitcoin going down the you know how do you do. You have tips to overcome that or just kind of focused more on the other positives positives behind something like rather than the pricing yet. Though I mean obviously as we all know don't want to get shot Josh Danielson good to see you man. Tim Pace AC- the Andrews on there. I was just arguing. We I think we were kind of arguing about Tesla but we really we weren't. We're kind of saying the same thing so good to see you as always ap but look the barriers the expectations of a conversation. How to to to get in how to how the new words it comes down to this gym Jim and this is my honest opinion? Is that you can't force this concept on people now for Bitcoin for Christmas. If we're smart what we're doing is buying five or ten dollars for our friends and family and giving that away. Bitcoin for Christmas is my in my opinion. It stands for me giving you Jim or getting my brothers or somebody. Bitcoin and there is no better way of getting through somebody then saying here. Here's some bitcoin for free. Even if it's just five bucks right yes everybody not not not. Everybody's able to incapable of doing that. I get it. I'm not in your to pass judgment or say say one thing or the next I can at least portray this image though in that as a magic. Everybody in crypto giving a little bit of Bitcoin and how how many people are going to have them start paying attention to what bitcoins doing and if they start seeing maybe it's going up maybe it's going down. Maybe they're starting to to put into perspective. How this thing works? Maybe they're trying to send it to their new bitcoin wallet because they wanted to add some more. Maybe they're now able to explain to somebody. Hey I got bitcoin and it becomes popular. Hey look someone gave it. I've got it actually. I think it's up a little bit. Like five like fifty cents. They only give me two dollars. But you know that's that's the beauty of this whole thing is that it's it's it's always been you know peer to peer even marketing right. There's nobody marketing Bitcoin Actually I take that back If you haven't heard or seen it yet folks you're going to see a very soon. And that is the white furred Verte. Football Club from the Premier League is Bitcoin on their sleeve. You know and I mean. Think about that. If you're in the premier league every time someone from that team scores and they raised their hand and excitement. You're going to see big went on that shoulder. A Little Birdie told me you can get more information about that on Friday show by the way. Oh Nice be on the look out. So yes and of course. I just interviewed them as Jim. The the One of the producers and editors the entire show. WHO's listening to every single word probably more than me You know he's he so kindly let us know that. That's the Friday show so be excited about that folks. 'cause it's GONNA be exciting. Hey Do you think that's a decent understand like that's the way I portray it to answer your question like what do you think Jim. Is that good enough in your opinion. Yeah I think so and I guess it's just the tough thing like putting it in those terms though is if you give like I'm just thinking more from the I guess quote normally perspective affective because I i. I'm not quite enormous. I'm still a little new to the space but I'm not enormous me. I'm thinking some that only knows of bitcoin because they see the headlines and they vaguely no. It's a thing the tough sell. I feel like especially right now with with the price. The price is always going to be volatile. But like with more on a downtrend. Downtrend is if you give someone for Christmas like Hey. Here's fifty bucks in Bitcoin. And then they look at it the next day and it's like thirty Bucks Bitcoin to them they're like This is weird weird and does that like immediately turn them off or you just have to really just keep pitching the other side of it and rather than the pricing well. Well there's two sides of this number one. You should know their address if you sit the Bitcoin so you can keep adding to it. Like a dog barks right like I mean. They'll never see a fall right like if he really needed to address that but yes to your point. It's a very serious one and I agree like if they just see constantly falling. which is what happened to a lot of people including myself? I gave it to my father in law take. My brother-in-law gave it to you. My friends family and they saw it go down and they mentioned that to me several times. And it's not unwarranted. Right it you know I put Michael Sausage a post op or is comment. I think it's really relevant. He said would be safe to say that. People's general perception is that it's not a future of currency but rather a specula- speculative asset and I say that's absolutely what it is right now. I mean that's the perception isn't perception's reality if you're looking to grow something and so whether you're a celebrity TV host and you're trying to get the next big GIG or your musician and everybody thinks you've music sucks when I was gonNA play or no one's GonNa hire you know who's GonNa Bring you about. No one's GonNa buy or use you. If they think you're speculative assets keeps going down so great point Mike on whether she wrote that But you know I look at this like I have never had a problem at least explaining the basics and what bitcoin able to do gyp right and we've conversation numerous accounts like you came in here a little bit. I don't WanNA say risk is you're pretty level headed dude but you know you came into a new space as someone who I you know we. We talked about you coming on the show because I know how entertaining engaging in what's we unleash you to this crowds this group. You're going to be a a national treasure. Is your to bitcoin space right. You're just really exciting. Jimmy Fallon style. I appreciate so much you know. Now you hyper me up over here thank you. I also compared you Jimmy Fallon which I hate so you breed 'em all yourself. He's literally right there fair enough. We talked about this every time about the finish statement up. It's this it's that. Is bitcoin spectacle of it is. It's absolutely speculative speculative even if you don't want it to be speculative too bad. Had your speculating. That is going to go up. At some point you know and you know so because it is what it is and because it's it's that in that area once it becomes was non speculative it becomes a very stable asset. And you know let's be real people the fact that is volatile even when it's negatively volatile and when it's going down it's still leaves these hope that it's GonNa be volatile back up right. So that's we gotta take the good with bad because it can go down also allows it to go up. Yeah yeah like Tim Pace Ace in the chat whether they look at it and at seventy five. That's a great point because that gets people even more excited and I'm glad you brought up giving it to your family members in the path and I mean I'm sure you're known amongst your family as the Crypto Guy. Because you are the Crypto Guy Your your your Maine Man Joe Blackburn. The cryptovest belongs all of us but especially especially blogs Joe Blackburn. But do you have those people you know people. There are a lot of people that talk about how they dread the political discussion or something coming when I get home but When they go home for the holidays do you have someone in your family? That's ready to like pounce on you every Thanksgiving or Christmas to be like ha ha. What's up with your bitcoin? Coin now bud or someone who has been like on you about it and how. It's like not a thing and all that shit see it's really interesting thing like I'm I am the person who does that to everybody else right. And I'm so versed in arguments in so composed in being able to articulate. I thought that nobody messes with me right. If they're going to talk about it they're going to do it behind my back which is fine. Because I'll find him anyways and I'll hear about it but I don't I really don't I don't have the fighters now. I do have friends that I'll see during like Thanksgiving break that they're like. Oh bitcoin didn't they fall from my twenty thousand and they just make jokes. But it's I don't really deal with that the hateful a lot of others do have to and so. I'm more concerned about that political discussion before. I am a bitcoin discussion but I also have a lot of people who support me and they also have seen what bitcoin because I wasn't talking about them about Bitcoin with them at twenty thousand. I was talking to bitcoin talking to them about bitcoin. When it was five six seven hundred right so get a little bit of credibility with between there between those those this price about mark's? Yeah Yeah and I guess the tie it all in it comes down until like you know. Never mind just the normies because again. I'm I'm basing it from a newer perspective and I see a lot. The people in the community get pretty down because the pricing which I understand you know people. It's an investment people have money and it's it's like a lot to ride on sometimes but it he feels like people get super negative or just Kinda shut down a bit and then I feel like so what are what are your tips to keep the fire alive so to speak in some of these not as exciting times so you know we have to change changed the discussion and Jim. That was a really good point. You just made to like the conversation has to be able to continue right. There has to be that moment where you as an individual you'll figure out these are. These are the points that really matter about bitcoin. And that's an ideological and political comment con. It's a political conversation and and I mean it's not a political in a way that Americans politics. It's just a complete change in the way that you want to be governed and how you're explaining that to somebody else. Why that's that's important to you so mixing that you know without being confrontational and shutting somebody off? It's very very delicate. And the moment you start talking about if you're talking about price you kinda remove all the politics right. If you're talking about ideology it come. It becomes a political comment. It becomes a political conversation ideological conversation and audio ideology and politics often. You know that's kind of the same thing right. You know. We find out real quickly where people stand when you start giving perspective on why you believe in something or why you want this candidate or something right and it is no different than when bitcoins doing. Because when you start talking about your your privacy people can relate to that people can understand. Oh shoot yeah part privacy. Oh look at what facebook did and they had to go to Congress and explain themselves look at Cambridge Analytica. Look at all these other things things that have huge effects on our life right now. How do we change that? How do we take hold of that in cryptocurrency blockchain bitcoin allow that concept of starts seeping in right and so to me? It's supporting a certain style of interacting with people that I don't want to interact with right. They're going to try to interact with me one way or the next whether it be a marketer whether it be a a hacker whether it be somebody how do I protect myself in the most ways possible and this is a very basic way explaining. I know ashes watching. She could probably say thousand things to me right now but how I'm saying it wrong but I like like to keep this really simple. When you're opening up the conversation it has to be number one interesting and number two if you're gonNA fight with them they're not gonNA walk away with a pleasant attitude? Yeah I mean I have. Jim was the last argument with something about something with somebody that you already kind of disagreed with or did really find as a relevant or even maybe even then a credible point and be like. Oh well we just had this huge argument argument not now. I completely understand rare. especially if you're getting into Internet argument demand like it's even it's going to be even worse absolutely so you know it's funny because we briefly talked about ripple just right before we went live but I'll bring ripple up if I if I talk about P with somebody who does not know anything about bitcoin or Crypto. They're always like Oh yeah but but extra ripple and that's something I'll well listen. This is something I'll listen to and it's so funny to me. I mean not. Because they they they don't understand the reasons why I may have certain prejudices against it or whatnot but you know they. Hey look at it. Even though it's had a very similar path than going up and then coming back down as Bitcoin heck the bitcoin is gone down less than go has from. Its all time high which was three dollars and you know like sixty cents or something and now. Today's like twenty five twenty eight twenty nine cents something along those lines and you know I bring rip or they bring up rebel to me and it's a very different conversation because they feel so much more safe about potentially what ripple might do for the whole world and it's simply because of the affiliation with what banks are doing right. It makes them feel safe. It's familiar familiar. It's those same things that that crypto struggles with because the US isn't great ripple is familiar. It's something that they could feel like they can relate to or it makes it a little bit of sense and it because it has a practical application from the minimum that they know about it minimal amount that they know about it but even though that has such a negative in horrible you know Price price differentiation from. It's all time high the price of this today it they don't they don't take into effect that the same things that they do for Bitcoin like they forgive ripple certain things which Chom fine with forgive him get him in let them learn about the space the ripple. That's fine by me because a lot of them will then take except like. Oh Wow I see what the space is doing. So I don't have a problem here. Expertise even lower than I thought. Twenty two cents right. That's what Tim says anyways but Sorry for the long Turner. That's completely fine and pardon my ignorance a and obviously you don't have to get to do it but what is it about ripple that defended more or that is more familiar. Is it just what what is is it. Just well let's let's back up a little bit ago ripple and Ex Arpey are technically not the same thing. Okay okay there's a difference the the the the ripple network ripple blockchain okay is is is different than what the X.. RPI token is right now. I will admit sometimes oftentimes when I'm transferring. A certain amount of of of anything of of any CRYPTO is consolidated in the ripple. And then I send it because is fast and I love being able to explain to people how fast ripple as I have no problem problem with the the use case ripple It it exists. There's there's something and it to me the only use case I found a ripple is literally you know. Sitting my tokens for point eight. The point be and then disseminating back into other other coins or wherever or caching something out of I need to but you know ripple I do I don't want to hate all on ripple and say everything. The thing about them is bad. But what makes people feel familiar and what they okay themselves with is that it has affiliation with banks that is built around around transfers for banks from bank to bank transactions at a large scale right and to me. That's a really strong and great great conversation opener and I hate to encourage ripple in any way but if that's the way that you have to have a conversation with somebody to at least have them take you seriously I think that's okay right now. I mean I go on and on about things I don't like about ripple I I definitely have issues as what crypto and blockchain and and Bitcoin are supposed to or what they were intended to be. But that is that's very quickly dissipating like the blockchain is for whatever use case you want to as long as it's legal right and I got no issues whatsoever with with people having a conversation about about report early on right. It's just important that you also mentioned why there's differences and that's that should be its own show. That's probably something I need to bring Ashworth back on so she can explain. She doesn't really well. So yeah you think X.. Surpise going to rise from the BTC ashes or what since BTC's dead. And all I have to have to remember that we're on camera here I would definitely Glenn not here lies. Bitcoin a good run saying years. Ten Years Right Patrick's gotTa kill you in the early beloved. We are gathered here today to lay the rest bitcoin. I want straight crypto currency that drops below seven thousand dollars dollars and everyone says the sky was falling anyways. Yeah that was just like wicca. Further record everybody. Jim was actually playing the organ there so ashes on strike affair enough Exactly ten they only want it because they think it will make them rich. Yeah and that's a good point. Here's the thing. Yeah I mean if you get something twenty a sensor whatever yeah there's a lot of potential upside I suppose I- ripple has a at least one major run in it because ripple does have that quote quote unquote affiliation with the banks at least perception. I don't want to encourage anybody to buy by ripple and hold ripple long-term or anything like I said I use it. I sent from Point A.. Point B. I it's fast. That's what I like about. It ends there right does ripple have really big potential to at least reach. Its all time high. I personally don't think ripple will get much higher than it ever has already but there's a lot of space between here and there and if it just he reaches halfway to what it was which was three dollars and like fifty seventy cents. I don't remember you know that's almost two bucks. A dollar seventy right. And it's twenty two cents right now. Wow that's a lot. So on a investment side you know on a personal level. I look at that. I could see why it might be enticing. But I've been saying that since fifty cents and below right and all it's done is dropped dropped fifty percent in value or more at this case so when is a good time to buy it. I don't know if there's ever a good time to buy it because it's so I mean weird. It's weirder than all the other cryptocurrencies currency's my opinion. Yeah I mean again. I don't know a ton I it's definitely the one I always hear about. And even before I was Ah Looking more into the community in space. I'd seen it but again I I'm not a no way an expert obviously this. I'm not giving an investment advisor but you know on a personal level again. You know if I'm looking at ripple then look at Star lumens accelerate And the women's is something that I I love what they did last month when they burned. You know a third of their supply or even more I thought that was really nice of them to do. It said at least and I was really impressed with how they did that. An adult surprise Tony Body. They were doing it. You know so it was cool. You know I so if you're GONNA look into one of the aucoin like ripple at least go look at stellar but we could move on past that I just think that people should take ripple seriously in conversation because it's very familiar. People be prepared. Explain to them. Don't have to fight with them. Maceo don't buy ripple it sucks. No Man let them have their conversation if that interests them let them have that way of a bridge. It's an entry point into the blockchain space. And you you know if that's what it takes. Let them do it man. You know they'll figure it out or they won't mill. You're also kind of saying like you don't quite understand if someone can like try to shit on Bitcoin. And then and because they're like well you know look at ripple you know what I'm saying because it's like they're going through their own growing pains and drops and rises as well. It's all it's all kind of part of the space in general right. Yes I I'm hesitant to go into too much detail at on a big level but it does it does piss me off that people are so okay with having. This is where the media comes in the media is not against ripple the way that it likes to make make fun of Bitcoin. Right Adam obeys here everybody. I post thing here extra. Here's his comments. I'm unaffiliated affiliated with With any of these comments whatsoever and so within radio the laser Dude Adam obey see. He's saying yep now Adams good dude. He's been part of the community for a long time. Look let me let me give the extra appeal Army props if you literally attack them they they will forever never ever forget you and they will always be there to remind you that you said you hated ripple so you always built a careful so anyone have ripple radio DOT com. Ouch but that's really funny. Someone's going out now. Someone parked on it. You could buy it for thirty thirty three hundred dollars. If you're in the market guys fair fair enough all right Jim so let me let me ask you because I think your perspective and this is not just relevant. I think it is the perspective active. That is probably most necessary to at least Here here from because you're in between like you believe in you. You like this space enough to have interest. And you've sustained some interest. Chris and you're in you're out. You're still here right you know. And and your banking on your time being worth it at some point whether it be actually owning some some bitcoin cryptocurrency or participating bitcoin radio and being producing the show. And and and editing. All these podcasts. You know I mean it's not just a money space for you. There's some things that attracted you. How would you explain blinded like and you don't have to go into details but like do you find this as an embarrassment to you right now like if someone asks you you're like Oh man I hate having explain this or are you still fired up does this? Even you've been concerned you in a little bit no I mean mostly because You know hearing from people like you and other people in the space aced and of course listening to Bitcoin radio and hearing Whether it be I mean obviously we had said on this very show in the past like bitcoin. Bitcoin isn't necessarily the same as blockchain but just knowing a little bit about the technology where things are headed. I understand that kind of chain. Well you know what I mean like. It's not like bitcoin. has its own things in blockchain as its own things as well like seperation of two and also I guess ask from having some throughout the summer and seeing what happens like I like obviously this kind of on the lower and from my personal experience where I've seen it but I'm past the point of like staring at the price all day like like the first like month or so that I got a little bitcoin whereas I was just looking at the pricing and charts and being like. Oh what's this. Oh what's that now. It's like I'm like shit that sucks. It's down but I'm not like concerned -cerned really and I don't know I guess that's a good thing until maybe unless I ride all the way down to zero and then I'm like fuck I shoulda the known shouldn't listen to Joe Blackburn. Well on that you know. It's just like Jim. You got in at a time period. Heard where for the most part people were so pessimistic but they were momentarily happy right now because bitcoin had rose all the way up to almost fourteen thousand dollars. It was amazing. It was great to see that. Come back and if you backtrack all the way back and we bring this up several times at least a month you know if not every episode that we were at thirty to thirty three hundred dollars at one point this year. Yes that's the other piece to just knowing that where it was before Laura. I know it's still kind of coming out ahead of the game and then kind of seeing where it's going to go from there so even if you go back to January of twenty seventeen right and you say command. Bitcoin was at eight hundred bucks and then fast forward January twenty eighteen. We were like you know I don't know Eighteen eight thousand bucks right and then we came all the way back down and January. Twenty nine thousand nine. We were at three thousand something bucks right. There's one big big huge difference in all of those prices if you go back from the very beginning of Bitcoin all the way to today. There's only one year that that ever happened happened right. I mean it's literally just one year and it was January twenty eighteen years. You have major price differences. But they've all been positive price differences for the most part. It's just that one anomaly. And if you go back and remind people hey January two thousand eighteen or twenty eight hundred dollars you know January in two thousand and nine thousand nine hundred thirty five hundred bucks and he just eliminate that one huge price runup bad. You're not having this conversation at all. The worst thing that happened to Bitcoin and the best talk bitcoin is it went to almost twenty K.. Right that makes sense. Yeah Yeah and again from Michael in the chat. You must watch the price all day if you want to understand it. It's fluid ebb and flow prices. Part of its allure right now. I kind of get that. What I'm saying is like I have? I guess I'm not GonNa say the me I'm I'm holding. I'M NOT GONNA say the Meam says I'm just GonNa say it now. I'm not GONNA do that. That's that's to me now. I think bottle normal Normal so I know I'm just holding so I get what you're saying like that's Kinda understanding like what the market's at but I'm not at the point where I'm like stressing over right. I mean I guess if I was like a day trader or people that do that type stuff. Obviously it's all different story But I guess I'm just confident enough that I feel like it's GonNa Bounce back a you know the back story on Hoddle Jim since I mean sometimes I forget that you're you're probably not aware to all how all the stuff started are you. Were you around. Assume I. I assumed it was something like tone in the video game world where people would just mistype than it would travel and become much. Share this with you okay. So so I'll talk when Shirt now is going to say okay. Let me find the post. Let me find the post. I'm getting folks. I'm honored to be able to be the person that explains this suggest history. I actually kind of cool all right. Yep So hoddle which I thought when I first got in salt for the first time I thought I thought it meant something like hold on for dear life right and that obviously is You know it makes sense. And I'm not the only person who thinks that you know it looks like an acronym it doesn't say hold I mean if we're just holding something we would literally just say. Hold it right you know. But there's a reason why this exists. So I'm you know I'm going to send this to you right now. It is bitcoin. Talk Dot Org Forum. Hold on I hear Shit. Goes down the big Wayne talk form though he said it was yes. Bitcoin Talk Dot Org and that was the the original. Bitcoin you know. Hang out place. That was the decrypt coins writer of. Its Day right so here. It is the origin of Hoddle. And I'm going to send it to you and you. You should even read it out loud. How about that? I'm going to put it in the chat up. Actually just ask just put it on there. But I'm also putting in the private jet crash if you can click on that Jim I think you'll or copy paste that. Why don't you read it out loud for us? So is the the main. I don't have to read all these threads right. I just have to read this first thing. Yup and I want to read read the title. Okay keep mine everybody. If you're new to Crypto Ash Ashes posted the link But you can find all between bitcoin. Talk Dot Org work It's it's just search talk dot Org Hoddle and And two thousand thirteen separate t two thousand thirteen almost a year. Go ten. AM my time. I don't know what time it was where he's from He wrote this. I am hobbling go ahead and he obviously missed everybody. Just the record. Yeah Yeah Okay title. I am heartily I typed that title twice because I knew it was wrong. The first time still wrong what jeffs out at lesbian bar. BTC crashing crashing. Why am I holding Elia? Why because I'm a bad trader and I know bad trader? Yeah you good traders. There's can spot the highs and lows pit pat fifty wing Guangming Baton McMillan Mill No Bucks Chairman Lien. Their million in bucks. Sure no problem bro. Likewise the weekends are like Ohio. It's going down. I'm GonNa sow and then they're like doc. Oh God my astle when the smart traders who know what they're doing by back in but you know what I'm not part of that group when the traders by back in a Mardi par wait when the trade back in. I'm already part of the market capital. So guess who you're Cheating Day traders not me those time threads saying ooh you should have sold. Yeah no shit no shit. I should've saw I should've sold mall before every fell bob moments before every by but you know what not everybody is cool is as cool as you. You only sell in a bear market. If you're a good day trader. An illusion knew the people in between hall in a zero-some game such as this traders can only take your money of yourself so I've had some whisky actually on the bottle. It's spelled whisky. Whatever sue me but only if it's payable and BTC so what did you say man? This is great story. I mean I guess I was Kinda correct I was a little right. I knew it was like something to do with probably Typo but yeah I like that. He the stories a little bit deeper than that because he kind of saw the Typo but he was just he was is drunk he was just had it with this kind of had it with it. But he's also given in and resigned himself to the life he's living and spilled his guts out on a form orm everyday appreciate that now and Jim. Obviously I should have shared that with you in private private. So you're not seeing for the first time but I think it's catcher that and it's raw element you know but to me that's a really important aspect of where we are today like. That's they I that mentality is the holders mentality right. That's the way that you should be thinking about in a lot of ways. You're I'm not. I'm already part the mark capital. I'm not adding to or taking away from it right and guess what if everybody just quits stop selling bitcoin. I know Ashley Argue with me on this but if you just quit selling your bitcoin folks becomes more rare and if everybody just stopped selling bitcoin it would almost be priceless like there would be no way to put it market value. On right right you gotTa have some cell but just enough just to keep the price going up right. Stop Selling Your bitcoin traders. This is really on you. You know when when when price goes down it's the traders is the sellers Utah Utah causing your go down and this community small enough where you could pretty much go find everybody who sallied Bitcoin for the most part and you can see the wallets that are dumping their bitcoin. Bitcoin and therefore you know you should. You should be really You should be really aware that you're hurting everybody. When you're selling that much but nevertheless it's free market you can do whatever you want? And that's just my opinion. You can do whatever the hell you want to do. I can't stop it. Yeah Fair enough. But you're taking food out of my child's mouth who just being dramatic I do you take it out of my child's house arrest In Tim obviously in terms of trade or one of the great ones. He's somebody who I respect respected journey and I think it's amazing obviously trade myself and I'll sell bitcoin. I got paid for something you know so I mean I'm not immune to to selling bitcoin. I just think that you know the traders focused on the price to an extent that it really manipulates it. Down Right people are going to assume it's going down so they're trading and they're selling more than they're buying right now because they expected go down because the sustainable influx of new money. It just doesn't there and so by default you're not going to have the Bulls win more than the bears. You're just going to have the Bulls win in massive droves for short amounts of time because the bears will drive it back down and that's the problem I have with it all. Fuck the bears right it. Yup Yeah in every cell is a by everybody has a cell. Liquidity is crucial. I understand that concept but what if we did not sell I mean it just makes it harder to buy it makes it more rare and at some point we're going to be in a situation where it is rare and people are not like how how I mean you could always go find gold right but people aren't just taking gold the gold market and Saint by my gold and then buying it back or selling selling gold and buying it back. No people do trade gold absolutely right but but they're not doing this on a on the magnitude of Of the way that Bitcoin is at least in the in the sense in they. If you compare the amount of people buying and selling into the actual size of the cryptocurrency space and then take the gold space amount of people who have bought and the amount of people who are trading it. It's a much shoe. It's a huger way way bigger a massively. Bigger amount in crypto than there is in the golden silver markets that are traders that way so well at at the end of the day. Then do we panic or do we not panic. No you just wait until everybody realizes. Bitcoin is the thing to have again. And then it reestablishes a new a new bottom autumn and a brand new all time high and I think that all time highest one hundred thousand dollars very is there a price point where it's okay to panic. Let's say how do you go if it's if it's below if it's at like twenty five hundred. Do we panic a little bit. Well that would mean that we lost our previous bottom right so a little concern. Obviously when you're at twenty five hundred dollars compared to seven thousand dollars at twenty five hundred our bitcoin you know every hundred dollars is a lot more of a percentage than it is right now right Orange Virginia to buy more well it is I mean. Look what if you told people people in July that you could buy Bitcoin at twenty one hundred dollars right now set of fourteen thousand. How would people feel so the relativity of the the the price ice is is immediate for people right and look? I also agree with Michael What he just said margin trading killing the Kripa space? I think it does bring a really negative additive in pessimistic. Bearish tone to the whole space. Because you're you're first off your trade with Bitcoin not yours you're borrowing and secondly you know the crypto exchanges They want you to lose right and You Know I. It just adds to this negative sentiment and long-term you'd a lot of newbies go and Blues Bitcoin and then it goes to people who are going to sell it you know rather than hold it. Most people who go and lose bitcoin exchanges are not you know season traders obviously because those people know how to limit themselves not how to take big losses. They know how to to set themselves up for wins and be happy when they're up one percent rather than fifty percent you know some people expect and a hundred dollars and you want to make a thousand. That's four hundred percent profit folks can happen. Sure you gotta be exactly right though every every time you can't lose and you gotTa make sure stop losses and you know if you're only bet with two hundred eighty bucks. Fifty Bucks isn't enough. Even though fifty bucks on two hundred fifty s twenty percent you know shit I mean I it's relative but it's you know people lose that when they go to Al do it. Look I got one hundred extra dollars in Crypto. Guess what I'm doing I'm GonNa go roll my dice on the Great. BITCOIN exchange called oil. If I was allowed to it'd be I'd go to bit Max. And then one hundred x one hundred hours and try to make a thousand bucks a day just off one hundred dollars because it's fun and it's engaging keep my mind busy And you know up to Michael's point ultimately it's cell I lose and then it's automatically going. I went to an exchange that selling it you know. Well Shit. I lost my thought was going to say is I. I guess one of the better places to be and I'm saying this kind of facetiously. NBA little sarcastic is to be that guy on the sidelines. Because you know there are those those guys on the sidelines like you said when it was hitting you know thirteen in July or whatever the fuck I wish I bought at seven but then when it drops at seven like like how many of those people actually do buy at seven. They're kind of like those are the same people that are like well but it's done game over it. Yep Now It's a good point Jim mcgann and it's people they ride on their motions in this. You know. Think about the person who bought five years ago closed. Her eyes is closer computer and didn't look at until today. How how do they feel right? When big was at four hundred dollars you know six hundred bucks whatever it might have been and you know again ashes furniture after? I know that I'm gambling on that and I'm expecting to lose one hundred dollars for Tasha's point. She says the difference is that you know you're saying that you know capital letters gambling and and tempests. I I hope you you You get the Sarcasm in gyms pessimism in some of his sarcastic remarks about bitcoin dying you know. Obviously he would be here if he'd literally thought that and if he was We would have an honest conversation about it but I don't think he actually believes that. I don't want to speak for your job. No I'm just I'm playing up. The I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate advocate to a lot of things. I'm all set holding up the environment. What I'm seeing people in the community animals will just trying to get Joe Blackburn? A little fired up. Get them a little rowdy. See what he's GonNa say. Well my folks house. I can't get drunk as I'd like to It's a I got my kid and You know I gotTa Take Care of her so I gotta got to be low responsible so I can't get as loose as I'd like to but but also to what you said Jim is that it's also important for people to hear me. Have that conversation with Jim Right. I think it's I mean we're we're we're keeping it simple and we're not gonNA have a super long tonight in fact we're probably GonNA light winding down here shortly but But I want people to feel like they can reach. If you're having a problem with with something or if you want to explain something specifically I know myself as Rolston ten pace among many of the people that are watching tonight and commenting you could just find one of their comments and you can probably feel really comfortable going with them. you know and You know we're going to them and asking them to help you explain this to somebody you know. Tell me what. Your problems are. Common Questions We'll have this conversation conversation. We can have it with them. Bring them on live. If you want to do a live over Thanksgiving dinner. Let me know that could be great. TV Bro. I'm out you know and and ask them in my dad's office. I'm not in mind so I mean I don't mind showing hold on. She wants to see you know line over there. There's another one over here and it's hard to see him. I'm from this point. Those are Alabama Mississippi. Dear the way that I like to. But we're very proud of all of our animals and we are outdoorsman and we respect the environment that the the wildlife and the the wonderful thing that is The Woods I mean it's just it's it's in my blood right so we like to. I don't like to go and bike helmet. That's been through the processor Jim. That's that's that's been injected with steroids. And I like to know that I have honest real meat coming. I'm from you know the the God given you know environment like I love it. You're going there. You're chopping them up and going through the the whole butcher. Sure thing like you're you're you're buring it. Yes it's too Yucky. It's not it's not like somebody's got to do it right. Oh no no I agree. Someone's it's almost like against I'm not against like eating meat or hunting or anything like that. But I'm just thinking like Yucky is until Oh you realize like everybody in human existence until like a couple of days decades ago was doing this to survive literally daily habits. They they had to keep by. They didn't have refrigeration or freezers. Either a hundred years ago they killed it and ate all of it or they smoked it which took a lot of work to you know. Oh and so. Many people were saying here about Bitcoin on computers and Internet money and Christmas. And how you get argue with people and we're not talking about. How are we going to eat tomorrow and staying alive for the next winter right? I mean we're really lucky to be in this day and age. I mean life is Kinda cool. I've seen into the wild he. He killed a deer but he didn't know Even up in Alaska. You didn't know how to keep it fresh enough so to get bugs and maggots already lost it. All right. Yeah and he was really upset wasn't he. Yeah that's why he died exactly. Why Fortunately Got Russell or apparently but anyways we can move on from our delicious talk about meat I know not everybody? I'm not trying to get into arguing about that. Joe Wants can eat him alive. I actually don't chicken. which is odd? I mean I'll have some chicken. I'm not against chicken. I just don't like chicken from the store. I don't have a problem with it so manella but that's not to say that I won't go to Popeye's and get chicken sandwich overrated. I haven't tried it yet. Yeah me neither. That's what I mean it's overrated overrated. Well I'm not but I know I know it ain't worth I mean I know we're we're not talking about crypto right now but I know any worth waiting in line almost getting beat up or whatever. I know. It Ain't worth that especially you're definitely get beat up Jim. I'm sure you could talk your way out of it. I would just be like get out of my way by Bitcoin. What give my chicken sandwich? POW is now but CHICK-FIL-A. I'm not I'm not a big chicken eater so I don't go there very often. I do like how they put their pick on there. There's just something about chick-fil-a tastes. I don't really love their fries. Which I'M GONNA get probably killed over so I don't go to Chick-fil-a that often I do like Popeye's because they sell shrimp and I like shrimp so I'll go to Popeye's Popeye's before ever go to a chick-fil-a but I mean I I try not to have this conversation too but I just I find like Popeye's probably does chicken sandwiches pretty good because they're really good at making things really fattening and really yummy? I'm sure it's good. I'm sure it's good. I'm just I mean maybe the hype died down. I'm just at the time when people people are waiting again in our line or something like that. I I ain't about that life experience it's about the experience lame experience I mean but there's many the things that are Lennox differences that individuals find. That are cool. What would be a cool experience? I'll wait in line for Disney ride and that's cool and kick gas okay not waiting in line for a dumb Popeye's Sandwich Marshall. If you're listening right now you wait in line for more than thirty. He minutes for a sandwich. I don't like you well I will say what would you wait in line on when it comes to food Well I have have waited in line at trendy spots before I can't think of any of them offhand ooh I waited at in Nashville. What's there it's the touristy chicken that they have had he beats? I waited in line for that. I don't think it was that long though but I mean at what point do you find Jim like like this is too long of a wait. it's a good question. That's a great question I guess it depends. You're talking about just for food. Yeah just for food like I've been let's say I'm not saying it specifically to a restaurant not Popeye's but like if you wanted to go somewhere what's the point where you're just like it. This isn't worth it probably. It's it's tough because if you had a sit down restaurant you're fine with waiting but you're talking specifically waiting in line nine. I mean whatever I mean I'm not being generic here. Is there a certain a point in timers like okay. Eighteen probably thirty minutes thirty minutes would be the cutoff. Okay Fair Enough Helena. DRUCE has had Abe's was put chicken would open on Sunday. Yeah we agree. That's part of the visas. Great Ahead Hattie B.'s. Aren't you an even a Nashville boy right. But I'm not a chicken eater so Gotcha Gotcha but I've heard several great things about it. You're not the first person bring it up. It's it's or at least nationally famous and I. I don't mind waiting in line. I JUST WANNA wait in line more than like ten minutes so if I automatic I don't I I actually have more patients than you for a line. I mean I was in Austin in September and I was almost going to go to Franklin's barbecue where that is pitched like you're gonNA wait in line but it is like you would. We're saying an experience lead supposed to be part of it but I ended up going to a different place. Ace where the guy was taught by the same person who taught. Franklin's argues amazing of course and a lot of his touristy now news but barbecue is one of those foods is that I will wait for And I won't complain that much anyways but we're getting way off topic. We can wind up on the hour and I know we both have things to do. And I'm at home with the family. I know a lot of you are finishing up work. Maybe hit home tomorrow again. Folks please be careful. Please be safe best-case if you're not necessarily celebrating the American tradition of Thanksgiving you're somewhere or else or you just don't WanNa do Thanksgiving whatever. I still hope that you have a wonderful week and I and I hope that you're telling everybody about bitcoin. If you need help go to Bitcoin for Christmas there's a budget documents Humi- you know. I know you could reach out. People like Ash. She's got a wonderful educational thing with cryptic and you know obviously friend moderator drew. Michael might have some news about him. Coming up drew. I'm glad you watch tonight anybody else. If you guys got things going on Andrew P I would talk great things about you but I have nothing to say. Oh God him. anyways now may manager tend to go back to back and forth all the time and I appreciate his insight fullness. I'll leave it at that and we'll and we'll we'll until next time all right jam. This is bitcoin radio everybody they'd BTC. Were bitcoin lives. What we Miss Jim? Anything else why you just want to call it. I think we got on that food tip because we're already in Thanksgiving mode so we're yeah. We're already getting ready for a feast east but yes the CRYPTO verse people. It belongs to all of us especially you're in these Down Dark Times even. This is obviously not the darkest time but I'm just saying people get pretty down. But the crypto verse belong to all of us. We know we're doing for we know Joe Blackburn's doing for it what are you doing for it. 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eps.073 - Bitcoin College Radio - Mo Sadoghi
"What is up everybody? Welcome to another awesome episode of your favorite podcasts. Wbz BITCOIN radio. Bitcoin lives I'm your host Joe Blackburn along side of me the Co host Miss Ashley Meredith. What is going on Ashley Not much? Where back with another segment of Bitcoin? College radio just ma'am. It's the university program. It's time everybody relive college days. Get your kegs out plot. Your computers were about to do some in between coding and partying at the same time in a podcast. Yeah you know I I really want to have college radio vibe where you know. We heard for the first time all the indie bands and not for the attention. You know you finally got to hear about cool weird band and when I was younger even in high school turning on College. Radio is felt there. Was this sophistication of people who are able to be really experimental and share what they cared about with people. So I'm really excited about this segment. It's really well set by the way it's a good analogy to you know like we're in a in a place and time where music is everywhere to and you know whether it be information whether it be music itself in its hemant. You know we're so we're so really just over saturated with a. Lotta pointless stuff and you know. Fortunately the blockchain is really taking a mature step forward. And you know you're seeing really credible and really incredible people Step in and an build the credibility around the world face off of the past professions current professions. And you know our. Today's guests is no different. We're going to invite Moana shortly but you know actually like you know when I when I get the chance to talk to you and you know. We don't get to talk as much as I would love to. We should be talking every day but you know when we do talk. It's always high level. You've always got something going on with Mouse Boat University program. And you're always excited about this new partnership or this conversation or the the alliance right and we'll have that conversation here in a little bit. But you know Ashley done a really great job along with the entire mouse belt team. Obviously with with what the Mass Pike universities turned into and And I'm really proud to be able to sit here today and it gives them more insight into what's been going on. Yeah absolutely and I'll say again. I probably said on the show before I see my role as a university program director to ask myself anytime. Engage with a potential partner or What have you is how can I bring more value to the students or the people actually interested in the technology who are working hard to build it at the grassroots level. And I think that one way of doing that is to give voice to the people who are working on cool projects. And that's why I'm really happy. We have this worm to to invite people on absolute and Today's guests fits right into that. Ever heard the words Global Scale Privacy. Preserving the blockchain fabric Resilient team And we're GONNA have mostly gone. Here's shortly in the next couple of minutes if not under that To kind of go into that. He's the principal investigator for the team at Resilient Devi and we're going to get a really good chance to dive into a lot of things going on you excited. I definitely felt it. Yeah all right so without further ADO everybody. Mo- it's your cue. You're coming on give me a second. What's up my man. Welcome to the show dude. Hello hello everyone. Hi Ashley. High Joe's wonderful to be here absolutely for everybody who I obviously just gave them a very brief introduction moe you're an assistant professor at UC Davis. Right yes I'm faculty at UC Davis and Iran Expo Lab and absolutely and as I was saying introduction. You may got a chance to hear that It's you know we're in a place where blockchain the this technology is becoming a useful. It's becoming it's not just a speculative ICO craziness of two thousand seventeen like there's really important incredible people working with the technology governments. You know there's different agencies and and people that have been doing things outside of the blockchain space whether in tech or not including this and you know you're a perfect example that being on faculty at UC Davis and putting yourself position to to take on this role as a Ambassador for the CRYPTO space in the blockchain space. You know it's it's probably got a lot of pressure on you. Well when you look at research you don't ever take on Sort of a mature technology always gonNA take that. There's a lot of associated and started several years ago The picture was not as credible as you kind of express than it is today. So it's definitely a excitement of taking that risk and have been happy to be part of that at UC Davis absolutely. So let's first start off with this before we get into your background Let's talk about what exactly is the resilient DB DOT com website? What's it doing what we're what are we looking at here so I could? Maybe perhaps before that I could give you a little bit introduction of Harvey or is it sort of Jordan that brought us into resilient and resilient dot com. Is that for the last ten years or so I've been looking into transactions space and transaction all know what it is the you'll make a credit card transaction. You go to Walmart you go to Amazon. You buy something everything that we do realize around the concept of transaction and transaction. It's reminder of go back in the days a simple contract so when people want to engage in into any form of transaction they're really writing contract and transaction in computer science is the digital form of The old age a concept of the contract. So we've been looking at paradigm shift in the last decade is that how do we look at the changes in hardware? That changes in the application needs in order to improve The the efficiency of transaction processing. And what are the new application that could result from this in Dover and but in the last few years there has been the move and the push of this idea of the cryptocurrency. What if you look at digital market that is surrounded around this crypto and also the way we are going to look at the blockchain is no longer as we're going to put our trust into a single entity like like a single bank but we want to be able to at a level of a society? We want to be able to have what I consider those ideal of cornerstone of our societies. Democrat is Asian and decentralisation so now how do the form does digital contract in very democratic and decentralized way so that's exciting problems that we started looking at it also kind of looking at it as a secure transaction as a kind of a transaction that brings accountability trust and integrity without the need of relying on essential entity so that has been what initiated or research and as part of that we have In Expo Lab my research team at UC Davis behaved launched our fabric or blocking fabric. Which is a global scale Resilient blockchain fabric and called resilient. So that's that's where we are right now. Yeah by the way I really love the name too. I think it's really relevant and You know it stands out especially in the space so as as this process is kind of taking taking place How have the students really transformed this idea? Like as you as you noted and of course I don't Wanna get ahead of ourselves because it's actually one of the questions I have down the road but when he didn't know noted that process. You're right like you guys didn't happen yesterday. This has been going on. What you guys have been building's been going on for some time like what has that that that student. How was that student transform? What are you looking at these days when it when it comes to the people who are getting involved in this kind of show a lot of a funny story about the name has since as you mentioned it so we have every entering a new space and technology is there's going to be resistance and especially the risk of the technology is the more resistant you get? I had a pleasure working about ten or so graduate and undergraduate student along this journey and the one thing that we have Encounter over and over again the rejection of our papers the rejection of our ideas and so the resilient. Abo was kind of is that our team has become so resilient in building this blockchain fabric and. That's what actually the name of is that not only did. The fabric has become resilient but also the team has become precise in sort of pushing through this Yeah pushing pushing through from every aspect and we'd be successful at many fronts and we're still pushing and others. So that's that's how the name came came about and and you see that transformation into students is because it's part of it is even have to educate research committee. Not Everybody is aware of what the blockchain is. It's it's not a traditional topic so the student needs to educate himself. They need to educate the community and While this education sort of rippled down to other part of the university is that this is writing for example Move Spell. Come into the picture. In sort of empowering that the grass root is not just in computer science but sort of campus wide in order to get to that education of the auction as well too for sure. And I'm a firm believer like in and I'll say in this goes with mouse brought to you know when you find personalized story in a kind of Esprit de Corps to an extent of why you exist in your name you know I mean mouse ball stories a little bit different dalen Patrick and Gaylon walking with an actual mouse belt cord around his waist belt You know I it stands by the same thing I love watching people pour their heart and soul in these to these entities these these projects to these ideas and when they when their own. It seems like they're always far more successful as the best way to put it all right. So let's go. Let's go into a little bit about you. Who are you what did you do? How'd you get into this so I graduate? I did my phd at the University of Toronto. I graduate in two thousand thirteen and the focus of my research back then was I have sort of stream of data coming in and how to use modern harbor to do the analysis for efficiency and then from there I went to. Ibm Research and I was a IBM Watson in Westchester groups on Heights. That's sort of the headquarters of research and there are more and more came into the problem of transaction and Sudan in particular I looked at the problem of. How do I unify At an analysis the analytics with the transaction in a very general than unified way so and so that has continued at IBM. So I was there for about four years. Then I was faculty at Purdue University and that's where we really got into the space of large-scale disabled transaction and by the time I had a rich. Uc Davis you've already sort of planting seed of Looking at secure transaction or the blockchain and the moment sort of join a UC Davis that has been the The main filters okay so real quick. Well I'm sorry Ashley I WANNA ask you. GotTa ask him a question. Can you give me one? Quick example of like a problem solved just like that you saw like. Was there a moments where you were like? That's the problem. That's what I'm going to go fix. Was there one specific incident? I think that's the that's the joy of research there is lots of ups and downs And the reason you follow because you have those moments you have those sort of moments of joy and this is it I see it. I see the solution and And it's amazing as you say I see the solution and and the seeing is different. Because it's not that you see what your eyes but you see it so. I it from the philosophy aspects of the Ashti. Also that's it that's a very interesting observation. Yeah I was just Making me think of my Eureka moment during my My master's thesis where I spoke with a mentor and he repeated back to me my argument in a way where I knew he understood and it was the first time someone understood what I was saying and I knew I was right. It was pretty great moment. And the wrong side of this story of the resilient as so I give you one example of that resiliency the name but the other thing that I've also been in. Uc Davis has also to empower the students from the from the from the personal aspect of their life is we're looking at. How do you sort of look at the well being of each student and bringing resilience instability of each series whilst I offer meditation classes as part of computer science even Uc Davis and also provide that type of education to campus wide as undergraduate courses as well to again. This is all about that resiliency. Yeah absolutely I know I'm just thinking about how important Having that mentor was for me. Someone who was willing to be supportive and listen and charitable and and. That's what I try to bring as my role is university program director Thinking about how much it would have meant For me especially to have a woman in Tech in upper management position buildings startups showing them. What an what an innovator. What an entrepreneur looks like so speaking more to working with students and what's going on at UC Davis just a little background as to how introduce our CTO galen from Mao style is a UC Davis? Alum he said he'd physics there so it's been really fun for us to go on campus. That's where we That's our natural habitat. I've worked as a professor for years. Came to mouse fell to build this university program and just through getting in touch with the student. Organizations saw what a grassroots movement blockchain education at the university level was where? There's a huge demand among students so much so that they're taking their own free time to teach courses to each other and then petitioned their schools with with Hopefully faculty support to get actual accredited courses on and we've seen that happen at UC Davis as well so we worked with the student organization. They also have a blockchain club and a Hard Tech Fund. Mousdale also has interests in the hardware space. We've done work in the Internet of things before Focusing on blockchain so I know there's a lot of exciting stuff around locked chain and Internet of things and hardware happening at UC Davis Interational of the program. We've begun to talk more and more with administrators and Faculty Review Research Proposals. Try to drive some of this money that we know is in the blockchain space to The places where real innovation is happening so maybe Mo- you could talk more about expo labs and the graduate students you work with. And and he activities. You've done with the blockchain Student Organization so most of my time spent the student So that's kind of I do and I tried to find the right balance with the graduate students in the equal lobbed or sort of officially part of the The lab and just from Bolt a master student pure student undergraduate student. There we really look at core blocking problems and look at from the algorithm make and theoretical and system building dimensions of this problem. But then it's also important to kind of open this up not to just computer science and but also bring other profession other afield into this into this exciting game and that's what it really comes down to the Blockchain at Club at Davis. And so that's a group of undergraduate undergraduate students who Dave put together A. They gathered all the resources that they want. And a broad. The students and they also were in charge of creating The education Sort of rubrics for what they wanted to learn and the objectives of what they want to be able to spread and I've been advising them as well so and with the focus with the undergraduate student is not so much necessarily get through the core. Of course I always encourage them but also look at exciting application. So hot is it that they can take. What's exciting in Deerfield? But there is in law or whether it's in Environmental Study. What are the key challenges in the field for a study of their choice and then looking at the the the promise or the opportunity to blockchain provides in order to solve those problems and so and then working with Jim kind of defining these these projects that is tailored to their own background as a form of applications blockchain? Absolutely and. That's like everything that we try to do on? The mouse felt side as well as a development shop. You know we're really focused on providing hands on developments support our startups that we invest in Our background in building actual use cases. were really focused on the technical but of course as a excel as a as a VC we are interested in entrepreneurial and we want to motivate students to be entrepreneurial or get people at least like my mission is to tell people about all the opportunities that there are in blockchain not just for computer scientists. I myself I'm not a computer scientist. I came from philosophy very much soft humanities. But I've found that there's just so much opportunity for Law Ray all of these different things so I love working with students in that sense and seeing all the opportunity for cross collaboration among departments and then among campuses while which brings us back to the UC blockchain initiative. And what we've been doing on our side to get attention to the projects that are coming out of UCLA. Uc Santa Barbara and UC Davis. You submitted a lot of proposals and we're really excited about the things that you're working on. Maybe you can talk a little more about you know our background in our fit and Internet of things. We're really interested in the hardware applications. Maybe you can talk more about the hard Tech Fund and some of your work on edge computing autonomous vehicles so Also the other thing is that I found very for the especially undergraduate student as you as you mentioned be submitted a proposal. A bunch of this proposals are really just center on this project. Undergraduate student were working and they were extra excited to be able to kind of their project to be sent to an program that could potentially provide funding and the path demeans the commercialization. So this is something that definitely brought a yet another level of excitement and what will be impossible but almost built on the site is so. That's I think indeed and in terms of the different direction every are looking at Also as part of the resilient DB we also looking at the commercialization on it as well too so I have co founded. A company called mccaw blocks and looking at it. You opportunities are on that space in particular we're looking at high performance computing. And what is the role of a blockchain in scientific domain? And when you not just dealing mature regular machines in the cloud but you really have dedicated high end machines so and this was recently. Also selected for funding provided seed funding by a Department of Energy for Komo Commercialization so receive a twenty thousand dollars a fund around and commercializing that idea as to which is related to the resiliency project. But in terms of do you project we've been working together with Moose. Pelton sort of looking at different proposal. Brainstorming around the ideas one has been on internet things as Asha mentioned. And what I really like about this topic. Is that if you look at the Internet of things or the edge that you look at all these sensors and devices in agriculture or any other any other domain that the sensor by definitions are on they're liable they have reliability show with their power the reliability issue with with the the harbor that is embedded in them. Now the interesting question is wealth. You Really WanNa kind of ring all of these devices together and try to do analysis or perhaps even do some from of actions in the context of transaction. But then you're dealing with under liable so now can you look at. The blockchain has a level of abstraction that brings reliability over undeniable devices. And so that's Eighteen gets a very exciting area that we've been looking into and that's one of the One of the direction. That ask you mention as so. That's one direction that we've been looking at in terms of one of those proposal. Yes so you know. I'm looking at and obviously I saw was Sharing the An actually already shirt here just so we can kind of get to but you know I look at Your Road Map and you know this is a really impressive road map you know. What's the most impressive part of it is that you're almost at the end of it? You know and that's almost unheard of in the spaces that actually have some deliverables and to be in a in a situation where you know right. Now you're at the speculative consensus right. Now I'm not going to pretend like I understand what all these words mean. I can read them. I can physically say the words but conceptualizing understanding or implementing. Any of. This would be a little bit over my head and I'm not afraid to admit that However this is what people are learned these what the students are learning. Can you kind of take through this roadmap everything all the way from the beginning where it said the resilient DB vision right optimal batching? Like what are these and? How does this pertain to? What's coming up in the future like? Why is this so necessary so let me give you a? That's a wonderful question. Let me sort of step back. Give a little bit of Intro of what I conceive blockchain in the simplest terms that I have learned to explain it to students so far. Is that if you look at as I was. Mentioning transaction is just a a digital of contract and in the old days. When you made a contract that you had a contract a group of people you would find this trust. That person and the trusted person had a notable Cutter Ledger and they would physically right in that ledger. And you want to make sure that person is not GonNa do a a remove something later and inject something so that ledger had to be kept a shirt. Entertain the ethical integrity of the transaction. Yep Yeah and then you simply kept a notebook and now in the more modern days while instead of that. Trust the Person Holding Ledger Ledger to have back. So then we trust that Bank that it keeps its ledger in a in a in a trial in a in a in with integrity but now the all the idea of the blockchain says it says well instead of Ike have one ledger. I take and give ledger to every person in this society now. It's the ledger is sort of decentralized single. Copy of the Ledger. It's everybody has their own copy at its democratic in the sense that in order to accept a contract as completed everybody in society needs to ride on ledger and then be kind of do around the voting and if everybody or the majority agreed that eroded under ledger than we consider that transaction considered that contract to be executed. And that's just a basic funded foundation of the blockchain and by the way that's a great explanation and the other aspect is having talked about cryptocurrency. So now how does the cryptocurrency come into the play? Is that every time I write something ledger and sort of flip to page? Whoever writes it I all of a sudden you can imagine that page Sort of Hustle appear on your page the moment to ride that transaction on your legend and whoever solve the puzzle that appear Sort of just appeared on your page. I essentially become the winner and that page for that person essentially gets sealed becomes a piece becomes a piece of currency. So as you flip through your pages if the first one you can solve the puzzle on that page that turns into a and become that currency will be associated to you. So that's how reward and that's how you actually create currency. That's how the cryptocurrency as you flipping through your ledger. Every time somebody flips piece of paper a piece of currency gets printed and for those who listening back at the House. Who you know may be newer. And that's that's a proof of work sow and not obviously Mo- I don't WanNa offend you by By stepping in front. You'll not but you know. I just like to make sure that the audience hears when they hear that that's proof of work. And that's that's the. That's the way that. Bitcoin works precisely and again. The concept conceptual is a very simple idea And that's how of it. A proof of work as you as you indicated. It's US solve the puzzle and whoever solved the puzzle first? They kind of get that dollar bill or Bitcoin. So that's that's the basis so now kind of going back into the vision is that division was well be notice basic process and could even put the currency aspect that aside because to currency aspect shortages interesting to entry to create new economical model but The core of the blockchain still rest upon that decentralization and democratization of the process. So that's where we have put all our focus For the time being around the block and terminology they also considered as a permission and not necessarily public blockchain that also deals with the currency. And so we're kind of well. How do we build this? Next generation of the blockchain that could scale to that ultimate goal of a million transactions per second and be able to even Scale TO TEN THOUSAND LEDGER book or to Ten Thousand Machines. And let's be real like for four blockchain to exist at a high level that's imperative that exists absolutely and so we kind of started with very basic ideas is that well. What if I batch my transaction? How do I if I gathered a lot of transaction? Try to do the voting process for a large number of transaction. But now he kind of looking at into assist them. So what is this step of reaching that consensus can I look at as opposed to looking at A single task can I? Can I divide that into a pipeline of steps? Data can be done in parallel. So that's sort of the other sort of that. The pipeline architecture and now if I have these di pipeline that I can divided into small task and perhaps each can be done by a different harvard threat or by different. Cpu's or by different machine. So you kind of dividing the task and then can I also do multiple of these tasks in parallel or multiple of these pipelines in parallel so essentially Iran? Multiple consensus can do multiple voting in parallel and each wooding step itself. The task be distributed across multiple resources. And now let me kind of time. Then they've kind of asked. The question is that while if I m paralyzing multiple voting is it possible. That is it is it. Do I need to ensure that everybody finishes before another voting start or I can do them into read all those voting kind of do them out of order yet. Still get the correct result. So that's so that's kind of going down the list And well that's a very different perspective by the way I mean I don't WanNa pretend like I've ever address that question before but I've never had to but you know that's that's a really interesting. I appreciate the way you you pose. That Question Yeah. So and then the other thing is that well you kind of the other aspect of this warning problem. Is that you kind of vote. On whether this transaction needs to be executed or not but is is accurate or is it factual the other one is the actual going about exit the transaction. So there's avoiding problem and there is actual execution of that The transaction is stuff sent. Those can be separated to different problem. And that again provides a lot of interesting opportunity in in terms of From Albert Smick Eq and the system implementation of it so then we kind of moving this expanding these type of problems and looking at for example the one that you said speculative execution is that could the people who are could somebody optimistic or say they have a field that this transaction going to go through and they write in their ledger and move on and then later on they realized it didn't actually go through and they may have to do some correction to their to their ledger. But then that would really allow us to again accelerate. So that's a speculated is that can be operated on optimistic ground that things will be gone favourably at the end and again the opportunity that allows us to do so that kind of put the speculative consensus that We're about to Soon we will be filled in bubbles not be Be circled right. So and so the way we do it is that are sort of main Fabric internal fabric is actually called expedition fabric. Which has actually many of these so these bubbles able to staging bringing into the public open source of resilient. A lot of stuff is actually we have Done it already in have evaluated and we've done all the work for it is now is just how to bring it into Into into the product into the product. That's beauty the that time that demonstrates and then the other interesting problem is that well if you're how about your watering is not within the US and devoting needs to be across all all continents. What are the challenges? What are the opportunities there? And also maybe you you'll do if you do. A local voting municipality in in one city maybe doesn't affect the avoiding a different city. So how do you not also take an opportunity to some of these voting dead only needs to be a coordinated but overall you want to have a global view of whether it's happening so again that's another sort of opportunity which is called sharpening Sort of another sort of the bullet into this That we have so in terms of the roadmap We've been discussing than I know. A couple of weeks ago now You had a hello world post on twitter for resilient DVD. So I just wanted to get more information about exactly. What was the most recent launch that you were announcing so are the most recent NACHOS GONNA come up end of this month? Is that Well actually behind a minor launch before this but the next major launch have out of tooling and so these tooling is GonNa tell is that you're going to be able to have a nice dashboards kind of be able to actually see what's happening under the hood on on the On a webpage on your browser to see how the transactions are being spread across different continents on different machines. What are the metrics? What is the speed that you're getting what he's the latency? So it's really allows a bringing a lot of tooling any connection you now a blockchain deployment from From the browser as well too. So that's a lot of tooling and we also kind of other Internal improvement in terms of the way that the actual Cheney's maintained so and employing some of the existing database technologies To forder make the product more robust. So that's another kind of That will go into the next release of you're hoping to have it done by By the end of this month found. That's excellent while I'm glad we were able to have you come on and talk about your project and the recent developments If IF PEOPLE WANNA get in touch with you about this or want to contribute to the project or look at it. What's your recommendation? Who should they contact? Where should they go well? Can you can always contact me directly. And because they can also contact The INFO OR SUPPORT RESILIENT DOT COM. And of course the open and the the project is open source and the other thing that we also have been doing. Is that even in to graduate courses? Everybody's using the resilient TV so this is also has become an educational tool to learn and developed the the the blockchain the for the blockchain courses as well to all right. So no I do this at the very end of towards the end of each Of of each pockets called quickfire. And I ask you a series of fun lighthearted questions. You don't have to answer them. You can pass anyone you want. There is no dispute. Can always edit is out you know. it's beautiful thing about recording but nevertheless they're fun and they're supposed to be enjoyable and Ashley I would love for you. I don't think you've ever had to answer questions. Have you did that? I did you do it the first time. Yes okay my bad but mo- I know for a fact you haven't possible couldn't I'm just GonNa Pass so you know you're gonNA pass no right or wrong answer but I'm personally going to judge you for all the right reasons? Okay so Before we get going on that did we miss anything. Moe's there's something maybe that you wanted to to address or let let the world know about. I mean there's so much to resilient like to resilient I would hate to two boxes intersect we covered it all because we did not for sure but I think we left something on the table for people. If they're hungry if they want to know more they're able to sit down at the table that we set for them you know. Let them come. Find your on twitter as I just posted a tweet that Ashley Reference Than You know I have tremendous respect for Ya. I hate that. I don't know you better because I've had the greatest time listened to you talking. It's Kinda like listening to professor. You know in in in learning taking the whole time you know so I mean like I. It's fun for me to to it to interact on this level to really learn something from somebody who's really building and brilliantly being creative you know this is as simple as some people might see the process in which these tech companies evolve including the chain. It's not without a ton of work and yes eventually. We're going to get to a place in the blockchain that's going to be very simple and hopefully very useful But until now we're still struggling trying to find. I say struggling probably wrong word. We're still grinding finding that avenue. You know so anyways Before I keep talking because I will What did we miss anything that you wanted to cover? Maybe that we weren't touch base with no I think it was It was an amazing competition and it was a pleasure to be here. The pleasure to have the opportunity to cover some of the work that might graduate student have worked so hard and it's so much determination in the last several years. No actually I want to give you a chance to talk about that team real quick because I saw on their. Let me let me share the screen again. Real quick because I thought it was really cool to see these these youthful really really probably hardworking individuals. Get a chance. So let's give him a minute of fame real quick one second only pulled up for those listening on the podcast. Obviously you know you'll need to watch the video. What comes up. I want to introduce steamer quick so this is actually subset of team so sewage. Gupta. Phd Students Senior Student. He's actually going to be interning liberal and Liberal for facebook. This this This coming summer and then Satchel grandma. He is also a student of Mine. Another excellent student and then. I have my post. Doc a yelling. He's is a theoretical person and He really pushes if you radical boundary work and Tamir Kadar he is also P student. He is my student from purdue actually Swedish was also a student produced moved with me to UC Davis. And both Tim you're still at at purdue and his doing wonderful piece of work especially Ron a transaction processing while and this is sort of a subset of the work team degraded team w hive is on the Expo Lapdog Orchard. There have a mostly graduate undergraduate and all of the master student there as well too and I love. We just gave them some time to get recognized as well. And that kind of brings me to my last saw The reason why like working in the university program in organizing workshops hacker bonds with these different platforms protocols. This because the feedback that I received from students is that when people take their time to explain what they're doing in the space what their career looks like What the trajectory of a research project looks like It makes blockchain tangible for them and so for any listeners who might be Sudanese thinking about learning more about blockchain or You know people thinking about a career in blockchain decided to maybe here a little bit more about your thoughts about the opportunities there and what it looks like Real D- most of the companies are just getting into space and So everybody wants to know what it is and everybody wants to hire the top. Talent at a mixture gives them deletes. I think it's an exciting time for students and there's an exciting. There's a lot of opportunities Credit Card companies are getting into this game. I mean there are still small mastercard as or Visa Card than the other ones are very interested in traditional bank J. P. Morgan's again does a lot of other companies are interested in space and doesn't just leave it through financial sector. Other sick during the industry are also interested. So I think it's a it's a wonder it's a. It's amazing time to be in a lot of excitement and so it's a good time absolutely. Actually I was actually going to plug you at the end but if you wanna go ahead and tell us we're working people find out more about the mouse about program. What is the? What is the avenue that you would instruct somebody I mean you're you're a college professor at heart. I mean that's what you do. Your philosophy St teacher and I and among many other things A counselor to like five hundred people. You know you're somebody who I know that you know if anybody comes you're going to treat them with With like as if they're the only person who's ever message about it and so do not hesitate to reach out folks to all the college students. The people listening to if you have. Maybe you have a kid is about to go to college right. Ashley is the number one person I want you to. If you're looking to get involved in if she can't answer it I promise you she knows a lot of people like people like Mo You know in the again Mo. Thank you for coming on. But where can they find? Us Just Ashley. Mouse DOT COM. Asa L. E. N. I tell people you know. Never be afraid to bother me. I was a student once I was a professor ones. I understand. You know if you know if I haven't heard from you in a long time and you pop out of nowhere or if you need to bug me ten times to finally get an answer. It doesn't bother me at all I wanna hear from you and I want to try to help. All things. Mouse FELL JUST MOSCOW DOT COM. And you can find most of the stuff. We're working on their. You know we're primarily a an accelerator so we're looking for investors to invest in cool projects. But we also have our engineering Advisory We help companies build or idea or kick start or or reach certain milestones and then of course the University of program and media stuff You know Get in touch with Joe. If you WANNA come on if you're if you're working on specifically things exciting things that universities let's invite you on absolutely all right so I wait the entire show for this moment. And that is the quickfire. What's have some fine Like I said No. There's no pressure on this Ashley. You can interject it any point. You can interrupt. You can walk talk over me. You could tell me to shut up all right so there are no rules except you got to have fun And the segment least is so low. You ready to start easier. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah these are these are these are. These are all easy. These are always or all right. Aside from currency this is number one aside from currency number one use case for blockchain number one use case supply. Chanting is another major one. Energy Trade and Energy Auditing. That's another interesting one that they've been looking at what's number one while we just got funding on the high performance computing from Department of Energy said high performance computing. That's a great answer by the way I I mean. Congratulations to absolutely all right. So knowing that that's number one we've got several of these like I said Some of these can be a little testy. Feel free to pass. I want to remind you that Bitcoin to a million dollars. Yes or no. Hopefully not interesting cared expense. I it's it's just a at some point is a prescription as a matter of perception and the perception. There's nothing behind it. It's doomed to fail and I don't want to turn it into a gambling. Cause a solid technology there. So that's a great answer by the way I I also agree that no time soon unless something terrible happens and I'm not wishing for that you know But anyway that's neither here nor there Great answer appreciate that favorite movie of all time you can choose to if you have two favorite movie of. All Time. I'd be like usual suspects. As it and the Shawshank redemption one of those are two a absolute shawshank and pulp. Fiction seemed to be the most popular answers I get. I've asked the question close to fifty times now and at least seventy five percent. If not more have said Pulp Fiction and or Shawshank all right. We need all these answers and build a profile of the of the typical Weirdo Crypto Lover Shawshank redemption and the interesting thing about the population that I've heard it for years and never got a chance to watch it until very recently I. I never realized I watched it and it was okay. I don't know what Diet but there's a lot of like nostalgia now you know. It's kind of like one of those popular ones. Don't get me wrong. I I could watch the movie today and enjoy it but I watched it when I was like. I don't know fifteen. It was like the coolest movie ever. You know. I mean Just a bunch of dudes runaround Thurman Beautiful. You know kicking people's asses it's great. It's a great movie. The shawshank redemption is about atrocities. That accountant it was a bank and it was a leisure and law and the Trust Fate in that ledger house but everything went down. I just thought about that. I've ever heard that connection. And that's impressive. You should tweet about that as soon as we get off by the way. I'll be looking for that tweet. All RIGHT NEXT QUESTION. Bitcoin slash blockchain and door as a political party yesterday so political party. But you gotta give me a little bit more context that Ashley Joe. Wants to have a big win political party like the Green Party or something and he will be a bunch of Libertarians and a includes everybody. I think last time I had said that I would be very interested in a party. Who made very serious focus on on emerging tech and and things like ocean climate Block chain crypto. Ai Big data. Because I think that like essential campaign policy strategy around some of these new problems that we have especially in big data and I'm like are just not being addressed currently point and if I were out on other meeting Blockchain is interesting in political space. But I think what's more interesting into political space in the kind of step back and look at an actual real policy in real real issues as opposed to occupying of it nonsensical matters fair enough. All right well. Actually let me rephrase that. Then how long until blockchain becomes a political issue? Do you think about that. Mo- well already. There's a lot of talk about can blockchain for example be used in an environment that there is a Torian at rule or a there is not much of a political voice but the reality of it is a block and cannot stand an rb or a military so fair enough. All right and I won't push you on that because I also I know all these subjects can be very sensitive in nature so we want to obviously respect. They're listening but I appreciate the way that you answer those questions. I think both were really relevant. And Ashley as usual come in there and and and cut it up. Make it right you know. Thank you all right so I got a couple more. Mo- all right You've done good so far. You're passing all right. I think you've got a check mark next all the answer. So far The next one's a weird one aliens have ever interacted with human beings have aliens into outer-space from different from a different place. Besides earth. Well this is established. A scientific fact is that there are other arts a but very similar environment than than art so if the conditions are right lies on folk but does not mean that they visited Earth. So this specific question is I from outerspace ever visited sure. Why not sure why not. I'll take it because I may star Trek nerd. I love the idea of humans. Interacting with another species is just really cool to me all right so we're coming out to the end all right this next one. I'm really excited about asking you. Because you're somebody who I believe is GonNa answer this on a level. That is probably a little bit deeper but It can be a a one answer answer or a one word answer or it can be You know several sentences or a a paragraph take your time to answer But pooper work proof of stake or something different. Oh absolutely something different my research. No well said all right on that note though You know it's hard to box yourself from what's already out there I know obviously. There's different different blockchain doing different things and there's hybrids etc. What is the future of rewards and In in noting. Well I mean the obvious fact from the proof of workers that Which is the analogy Of somebody used to mine a piece of gold and the gold is a tangible item. And it's is. It has so much advantage in across industry from Madison to and just in terms using jewelry acting probably at least The importance mining in sort of a facing energy especially in the time that environment. It's as such so much pressure on. I don't think it's a good idea by by any means so I definitely think we need to. Um move beyond that one thing we've been looking at. Is that hardy view? Connect the proof of work with reproducibility of scientific results because reproducibility of any experiment is the foundation of Science and doubting take work and do something useful with it so I think that would be definitely a much better direction to look at it. All comes down to math doesn't it I guess you can. It's always good to have a clear language that she can writings down. And you can reason about the Matt seem to be to the right Vocabulary or right symbolism to do. That actually was having an alien conversation with one of my buddies this past weekend and I said you know. What do you think aliens was sound like? And he's like I don't know what that sound like the they'll speak math and I was like you know what a simple answer. I've never heard anybody put it that way. But yeah no well side. And it's been a pleasure to have you on Ashley as usual. It's an honor to stand next year and have these conversations with some of the most important people that you may not have heard of but you better know quickly because no you're doing great things you're building you're you're you're putting people into a position to help build this feature the space you're doing your part for the grip of. I can't thank you enough man thinking. Oh thank you we once absolution all right my one last time working. They meet your work and they find yet. Resilient DOT COM or expo lab dot ORG. Ashley can they find you? Mouse DOT COM or mouse. Vote that university there. You go all right. Wbz BITCOIN Radio Moscow University Patrick Levin Marcus and everybody else Mr Josh. We'll see you soon till next time.
eps.043 - LIVE Jim and Joe Crypto Show - Controversy Sells, Reliving The Good Ol' Days
"Don't go by a whip though. Take that money. Put it in Crypto over. Well I guess it's that time again. What's up everybody Joe Blackburn? I'm joined today with your man. Jim Scam Holy Holy. We are live here on Bitcoin. Jim you know just living that life living add vegas life. That's Cincinnati. Life that crypto learn life. I think he's Joe. Well this is not I thank you for having me moment this is Jim is joining me as the CO host tonight and you'll probably see a lot more of him we've been Doing some talk in the back rooms just trying to figure out how we really WANNA address. You know what Bitcoin rebrand the the example that we want it to be and also also you know a lot of a lot of the entertainment side and you know Jim has his own show called Jim. If you're not Jimmy you better. It's a little bit bold so be prepared but nevertheless it's fun and it's it's engaging to say the least I don't know if you want to interject on that at all I cover it Yeah Reverend what can I say where You know shock jocks. I guess and if you remember from last time you know obviously. He's got his his hero. I'm John Lewis Card guy his heroes is currently behind him. But we don't have to get on that. I don't want him talking for an hour. Like I will know Jimmy Fallon. Don't give me going once you get me started on June fallon. You just can't gave amy just shut up. Yeah Fair enough so anyways today we will. We're going to be doing a lot lot more of these. If you remember last week I got a chance to have Joel on Joel. Comm we kind of knocked out a few things and has really good in engaging conversation that went really. Well I know Jim you liked it as yourself. And A and I had a lot of positive feedback. Joel's a professional and I definitely thank you Joel for for joining me there and obviously welcome at any point But you know we want to prepare. You know this show on a more regular basis I would say like I. I want it to be something that you're tuning into once at least once a week but maybe you know three times three times a week. You know it's on there you can watch it on Youtube. It's also on facebook. Look it's part of the podcast episodes and I ultimately I just want this show to start blowing up and guess what folks and even tonight. I'm okay we can accommodate us if you want to join US tonight. The link is in my hands. I can just send it to us at the Ping Me. You have to literally send me a direct message research and then I got. I got to see it in the comments that you gotta be like Joe. I want to come on the show and we'll bring it on anyways Jim. Why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself? A quick just to remind folks who you. You're I guess most people at this point probably who I am but if you just want to say a quick hello and Tell us what the heck's going on Jim Scam Kelly Well you know I I've been editing putting together. The BITCOIN radio PODCASTS FOR JOE and Patrick over at mouse belt so re episode. I think you've been doing some. I'm doing some great stuff getting a lot of cool guests on there but I do think doing something like this during the lives I think the best guest opportunities you have or the people out there. You're the man of the People Joe Blackburn feel like you know. I think it's great that so you can have a lot of episodes where you know discussing different projects people coming on talking about what they think about whether it be the news and whatnot but I think there's there's a great untapped resource with you know the C. C. T. Community the BITCOIN radio community I want to hear from the people out there. What what's what's going on in those streets right now now when it comes to Bitcoin and Crypto? That's right now and I agree with you like I look forward to. As bitcoin radio brand evolves Patrick's hydric been tremendously Really the best way to say gracious. You know he's he's really made sure that this has happened and you know. I didn't know exactly how how this was going to work out how long I was going to be your white right. But it's it's been really successful to the point where you know. I'm getting the feedback necessary. You're doing a great job Jim and just to kind of parlay on and piggyback onto. What Jim Jim you said? He's probably the only person on planet earth. Maybe Patrick falls in this category but that has listened knows every single episode. He corrects me. Sometimes right right and I I enjoy that Jay. Appreciate your influence on the show but Europe pro. You've been doing this for ten years and it's not like you're new to this. You're just newer to the BITCOIN. Seen I think as is white such a it's a fresh your fresh personality you know. I don't think people realize how big of a deal it is for people to enter like if you're bidding over while it's hard or to enter let alone sit next to somebody who's been encrypted over the next last four years on pretty serious level three years and you're coming on here. You're part of the BITCOIN radio show. Well Yeah Yeah I I mean I'm big into podcasting I've been into podcasting for a long time And yes some. I'm relatively new to CRYPTO and Bitcoin. I mean had passing assing knowledge. I had used bitcoin in the past but I mean being entrenched in the community and the space. Now it's like like School of hard knocks trying to learn as and even I've heard all the episodes. It's still tough sometimes because I'm also listening with a little different ear because I'm also listening from editing perspective. Not always picking up some of the different Knowledge that's being dropped. There's a ton of it you're Oregon. I'm looking at like okay drums. Absolutely no and you do a great job. Yeah you make me sound great on On podcast and I have a lot. I have a lot of things that thank you for all right. Let's roll into a little bit about like what was happening. I I definitely want to introduce a many of these same. We've been sharing some videos and means you're about to see a lot more of them the the The team behind clean radio among mouse belt and a lot of collaborative efforts. Here we Were were were all banding together for this BITCOIN BITCOIN for Christmas. I guess you could call it a collaborative you know agenda to get the voice in the they. They ideas the the ideology of what Bitcoin is out there and I. I'm you know me as well as anybody at this point Jim. You know how important it is for me to be really transparent. There is is no profitability behind bitcoin. Christmas it's literally Bitcoin. The number four bitcoin four Christmas Dot Com Patrick went and bought like every single bitcoin for Christmas holiday. Whatever was available he literally bought it all? Just nobody else could do it like this. You know we didn't want to get mixed up but it's not for any other reason. Outside of we want to bring the exposure that we know needs to happen for the space to really get the momentum. You know everybody's got to do the part jam. You know you so you see it on the back end. It's a lot of effort to not just stay up to date on the CRYPTO market but to be it to live it own it to to understand it and someone. Yeah you who hears it every day through through my podcast you still like you said you listened with a different era and that makes complete sense but it's still a lot to grasp. How on earth can we explain this to two people? Well we're trying to build that that that concept through Bitcoin for Christmas and bring about that exposure. That idea. You know you kind of you've seen it kind of as it started started off really came out on the tail end of it just a now. I'm helping bring the exposure to. It's what I do. Best for the most part been very fortunate to have a community and audience that I guess semi pays attention engine to what I say so I mean what do you think well. Yeah I mean I think your rightful to be you know you're always whenever something comes up. You know you always give a disclaimer as far as where things are coming from and I get y you do that now because like even being new to the space you hear about all these nightmare scams scams and however everyone's out of a scam artist there so I could almost see how you know. If you're sharing this link I mean even you even though people trust just you and they know like when you're sharing this link. I'm sure people are what's this now. What's Michael Gear? Or what's this this new this new coin. What do I have to buy? I know this shit this is just like trying to like I said this is the school of hard knocks for Bitcoin especially with the holiday season. So it's just I mean it's not necessarily for you if you're if you're listening right now or you or you. That already knows bitcoin. I mean this is for you to to give to your other family members in such to get them educated. Get them involved. Because I'm sure I'm sure you're still at the Thanksgiving table going going. On and on and on about crypto aren't season about the FIBS and the candles and whatnot. And your Aunty and your uncle. They're all glazed eyes glaze over there talking. Sure so we're trying to give you an easy one stop shopping okay. We'll take a look at this. You know all that stuff. I'm trying to talk about and China help you out with here. Maybe maybe this is a little bit more easy to understand new version if you will to Kinda let them dip their toe in the water and hey come on in the water's Nice Sir. Come on over. One of US joined the dark side. Well said at the moment I'm actually trying to show this T- so and I'm saying if you WANNA join come on Jim. I think you'd really enjoy this part. We do not a while back. And I've been a huge fan of incorporating the community as much as possible. What's up abbedayle? What's up Danny boy? What's up Jordan? Hopefully there so watching. Where where the line kind of gets drawn for me and how how materials presented is? What's what is there in goal? I don't mind somebody trying to make money right. That doesn't bother me For the most part I I look at you. You know. Businesses business. I don't get a Walmart. I'm not mad at them because they're trying to make money right. I mean even car dealership I go. I know they're not GonNa make money about me. And because another GonNa make money on me I I I try to negotiate down but I mean I've just part of my everyday life but I don't like is when I'm presented by somebody who I trust or somebody who's is is there air and then it turns out to be something that's not you know and that's and again that's that's not my point in anything I ever do and and you know that this is something that you you have acknowledged and Z.. Y. It's to be deal but bitcoin for Christmas does not fall into that and I say all that to say this is. It's our job to bring exposure to the space like literally like. How do we expect to get New People? Oh folks like how do you expect to get people involved in this space at a high level. Who understand who aren't part of this holding community? I'm Hodder I'll go and trade. I got Detroit Open Right now Literally but it's minimum amount. I do it you know maybe make some extra beer money if if you know hopefully I don't lose it which is always a possibility but I love being being a holder. I love waiting for Bitcoin to go up and I expect that going to go up I I do and you know I have a whole nother rant prepared for that but you know Jim when you when you look at the Crypto community and the really the immaturity that still exists. Do you see this as improving from your limited knowledge or do you see this as deteriorating or making it worse I I'm I'm sure it's improving I it honestly it's like any Internet community I'm more of a I guess nerd if you yeah well like pop culture like movies. TV shows comics and stuff like that. And you're going to see the same thing if you go into you know oh The buffy the vampire slayer fan group with fifty thousand people and someone asks a new question and everyone I mean yes even buffy fans and will shit on you and be rough but then there's a couple of those people nice people that maybe keep you in involved so anything but I mean when you get something more serious crypto where there's a lot more upside and everything's very high high paced fast pace because if he got traders and all all that good stuff I can see that people can get annoyed with seeing the same questions a lot of some basic asset. But yeah the other group when you're out to keep in mind since there are higher stakes those potential users are going to help you in the long run. I think that's always been new joe's thing again like you're trying to build the community because it's the benefit of everyone and giveaway bitcoin and there you go. I am not what I am. I know this is weird but like you know. If you've got fifteen bucks you can go to coin base right now. Go Buy bitcoin right. I mean I gave away bitcoin in two thousand seventeen at a high level. All to all my family and friends and you know when you give away. I literally probably gave away probably close to half a bitcoin Christmas that you're an but I gave it away to so many people it was like I was giving one hundred dollars or fifty bucks here to this person or that person you know and so it really got dispersed and for the last two years. I've had to listen about how that bitcoin has never been worth any even half as much as it was when I gave it to them right because that was the peak of the market when we were like seventeen thousand dollars and it's so it's so frustrating. I'm hoping this year that we can at least get close enough where it could be like. You didn't spend any money anyways. Why should say that? But you know I'm a proponent for Bitcoin and I have a AH obligate responsibility to at least be I guess a nice person a nice representative of it so I don't want to sit there and f you Bro. I gave it to you for free but anyways regardless yeah cash outta there you go a man get on real quick but you know I I just was up. Is there fear like because I mean obviously I was on the outside outside looking in waiter. Oh like twenty seventeen two thousand eighteen thing. You wouldn't have a fear of this because you're already well known your Joe Blackburn. Burn your bitcoin maximalist but sometimes it starts to get on the verge of almost like you know the show married with children right and you know the album. Yaris relived the high school days. He scored four touchdowns in one game. It's the way it always like. Well that's what that's from. The outside lied now. Like hearing crypto people talk about twenty seventeen almost starts to get a little like that. Because it's like yeah. I know the good old days but everyone but now everyone's like what about now. Although I guess technically it is the good old days because what earlier in the year was three thousand thirty two hundred thirty one hundred. That's a great analogy algae by the way Jim and I've never thought of it that way but you know it's kind of a right to passage even for the people who are entering. I mean there's people who think that our veterans now that have only been for six months to a year and and Bitcoin crypto and move so fast and it's twenty four seven seven days a week no matter what holiday is no matter what day of the week it is. It doesn't turn off. It does reset on the the daily chart. But that's it right and so that seven o'clock time period for me it's T- which five o'clock your time when that when that daily chart rolls over over and I'm sitting there like you know that's that's the new day that's really the the one moment of break that that you can even say differentiates gates anything encrypted. Because it's really just all one line of of candles you now going up and down a chart but going to back to your point here Jim that people reliving the glory days as you noted. It probably does get old if you weren't there especially because people keep talking about how Ohio's back then it was and it's been so negative for so long at this point you know. Yeah I feel you ash and tell me when you hit hit year five a plus. No that's not what that's not what I'm saying. I what we're saying though. I don't know if you've just joined us ash but is that Jimmy analogy. How if you're new space? Jim is number two the space and Jim's editor for the podcast gas for those of you who do not know Jim Takes Care of all my audio work. He makes it sound amazing on on a podcast. Hopefully most of your listening But he's always I want to thank you know I know I don't sound like good all the time and I and I and I recognize that but so Jim yes but what Jim says as he as as a newer person to the space. He's like look at like Albany from married with children where it's like scored four touchdowns back in the day. You know like people get tired of hearing about that I. That's a good point. I don't know even and how to answer that honestly Jim I guess I guess isn't mother you know no no. It doesn't bother me but like I. I guess it also kind kind of amplifies the fact that I missed it like I wasn't an that so my thing is like Remember in July when it hit like almost thirteen like oh that was great. Urban did by the way almost fourteen. Well that's what it was. Yeah Yeah because like that was my little wave and now it's been going you know of course as we know right right now between between like the the mates Kinda rising back up to almost ten like all that good stuff but again I mean it's I guess it's just because I wasn't there so I'm hearing about it a lot it's put it does have a glean of that sometimes because everyone's like aw man remember but it does seem like you know things things are it's so volatile it's going to have to come back sooner or later agreed and I'm sitting here today. We're sitting on. What eighty eight eighty seven hundred dollars? Something like that. Eighty seven sixty eight eighty seven sixty six. Whatever you know like I look at this price and I'm so happy I'm like I'm not like ecstatic that this is where we're rat? I'm just so happy we're not at thirty two hundred right because I remember also not the good old days the bad old days. That wasn't that long ago. Yeah and many people oh can relate to that and knowing you know really if you missed the good old days completely and you just got in May hasn't unless you were just there for like three months it's probably been the good old days from that moment. You know what I mean so you know people can probably get frustrated or tired of hearing the Oh Jeez talk about. Oh the the good old days when he's eighteen which really those are still new people. I mean I'm still relatively new on a social level and I definitely don't did not understand Crypto blockchain at a high level at back in Twenty fifteen eighteen twenty six hundred even though I had a little bit of Bitcoin But you know I look at what's coming up next. We're having coming up and that's a big deal to really big deal now. I've recently recently been going back and forth and this is something that will ashes actually joining us right now. So I'm gonNA bring her in a second but we'll get ashes opinion. I've actually I should just stop talking. Because we're all going to get told told the truth here in a minute anyways to radio hour with Joe and GM the Scam Poli. Yeah welcome to the show. It was great in Vegas by the way e mean where I completely skipped saying I remember like four talked about you. Nail that Jim was actually Jim was in Vegas and so obviously you know he's been doing a great job at any but come on Ashok. Welcome welcome here. Tell us who you are. Where are you from long time listener? first-time caller right. How much does the having ineffective practice? BITCOIN it'll go up how much I WANNA hold to. It might go up up. I'm sorry I can't give investment advice by just predicting a price and I'll and I'll do predictions though you know that also Rolston especially early Liane after we got over the fact that you hated me for a year almost jim just so you know just some context here There there's a group and it's still exists crypto currency collectors club. James Clayton got another respect for the guy We branched off that we we we started so you have a lot of people from the group you know. Who'd been you know friends with us? We we started that up before you know it. We are bigger group well. I had unintentionally and without being very naive at the time I did not realize there was actually a lot of people listening falling so I got a little excited about a certain particular coin. We got everybody excited about it. And it went up and the Nash called only a pumping number going back. I recognize why you would say that but at the time. Keep this mind to me and ask. You didn't know each other. She just assumed I was just like this asshole whole even worse than asshole bottom of your boot asshole and ash. I'm probably the only person she's ever allows l.. Someone say sorry to Right Sunblock. Gem Scam polling blocked him. Yeah I was I blocked. I don't know I don't keep no everybody's everybody's blocked Jim everybody. I don't know I did see someone common scam and my name. was that like a red flag. ooh That was clever clever. Thanks run blocking me. Okay well then who as far as the pump and dumps right now. Who who do you want to call out in the space? That's the name. Let's get some controversy going. Nashes deal yeah I was. I'm GONNA say Joe You you you could stay neutral. You don't have to call anyone out asks you're not even on Camera Samoan can't see you who you calling out right now. Who's doing pump and dumps right now in the space is given space the bad name? No there's not really anybody doing right now it's not really profitable Well well actually I take that back Tika to to war. PBC Dude what's PB salvage confidential. All right well naming names here. I just tried to say the name. I can't Tika to worry worry or yeah. Something got a lot of TV extra letters in been friends with taken for like two and a half years. Of course. You're going to call a friend of mine tickets. I'm just joking by the way I don't know. What's the company confidential? Yeah there's a lot of people. I know that. Well these confidential though. They pay like five K.. A year to get this guy's picks picks and some of that money goes into pumping it. Allegedly I don't know for sure I'm not paying five grand to get ripped off now my type thing. But but usually his one or two picks end up released publicly and then as the months go by other ones get released to but usually the first two that get released comp right away because everybody's like every reason to buy it so everybody buys it and it's like a self fulfilling prophesy type situation that's that's interesting where palm stale and it dumps are ash so I want to go back to the day and that being said sorry. Jim I mean cut you off on look I I. I'm just glad someone's name was called out. I see that. Yeah they do. A twelve Monthly newsletters five grand a year. Very interesting very interesting to see all right so yes and obviously there is that requires a lot of responsibility. And I'm not necessarily saying that they're right or wrong. Obviously actually has a certain opinion. I tend to side with ash for the most part. So I'll take your take your side on this one. I just 'cause I don't WanNA fight right. I well I mean this is like a call Ellen. Show where asking people's opinions. I mean someone could call. If they're listening to this whether they are they could shoot an email if they hear it on the podcast if you say otherwise otherwise we're more than one or more than welcome to spit state your opinion as well absolutely no one hundred percent and we would love that and I bet you nobody will do it with Ash. Sean ash has a reputation and this is what you don't know Jim like clearly you've been blocked. Cat Content. So I don't know here's the thing I don't know if you're serious if you really did unblock him or if you're saying that making your ash away you know just to make a joke because you know what would be surprised. I would be actually a little surprised if it was Jimmy because Jimmy hasn't really said a lot but I think she was joking Jim. I do think that I'm I'm just now. I'm a crypto newborn browsing the coin telegraphs here. Now I've heard of V. Chain before sure it pumps sixty five percent this month. Is that a scam. That's a great question Brash. Give it to his ash so I don't think necessarily it's a scam. But we chain has had some very typical market movements that indicate its being pumped you know a lot of people post about it in a way that it seems like fundamental analysis. It seems like they're trying to say. Oh this coin is good for these reasons. But as we've seen many times for years in the crypto space that's just one one of the ways that people popcorns and people hype coins and it does short-term effects sentiment and it does teach people When they end up losing their money because it dumps But the reality is that you know. Even if it's a really good project act it can be harmed by these types of market these types of market movements and I understand that you know a lot of coins they purchase volume or they tend to do things that are less than above board and that really makes the space look crappy crappy and manipulated and terrible and all of these things that other industries already saying about us and. I'm not saying that Jane is doing that. But I am seeing a lot of people whether it's coordinated or not hyping chain hyping things that have no bearing on on v Chain Jane as an asset for instance there's one guy who post in CCT pretty regularly about chain. It's always about like social good in the chain and like carbon credits and carbon neutral in this country is doing stuff with carbon. Something whatever and it's like Mike Okay. But what about that says. I need to invest in this okay so nash. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I have no problem with each and I personally don't own any. I have in the past as as it makes sense to create a few times a week. I'm sorry Jim I just know the name because they had like a Walmart thing or something right Yup Yup and that's legitimate partnership with a legitimate business and that was going to be. Actually they kinda lead into my question ash and in your opinion and obviously I know how you feel on most projects and and you look out for people I write you you you have that type of heart. And that's we need people like like that protecting essentially the Dakota version and the census in but I do look at Jane and although I don't own any so I'm not I'm not putting my money where my mouth is but I'm more so saying you know on a generality here using them as an example here is at some point one of these projects has to has to do something. I think we all agree on that link. Everything that we buy speculative. But isn't there the concept of using these tokens. Hell use extra. Here's an example right. Although it does it does not necessarily do what everybody thinks it's doing doing. It does have a use case and they are burning. They just have a freak load of all those of a bunch of extra tokens and they're dumping on the on the market every month but they're still actually being used and I don't think expertise going anywhere anytime soon right there working hand in hand with the government. I mean if you think about it might be one of the most Ethical ones to own. And it's the worst enemy in the crypto space and I with the first one to say that right but would you disagree with what I said. I think it comes. To where Crypto stowe is more than just blockchain okay A lot of people mistake crypto as. Oh it's blockchain and that's it but there are a founding set of values in Crypto that come from the very A very specific group of the People Decipher punks. You know from the eighties. Early Nineties people have value. Things like privacy Freedom to transact you know all of these different principles cancels and when it comes to extra P. or comes to another of the essential is intended for commercial use chains. That's not really what we're we're getting you know. And I understand that X.. P. Serves a purpose you know X.. RPG works with some major major players in the traditional financial market. But what does that do for us. The little people here in Crypto. What what good what is it if okay yeah we can go to our bank? Maybe a cross border transaction international transactions cheaper for us now but what what actual good does having acts. RPI Do for us right now. It's fair now. That's a good point and so what you're saying I agree with you on this is essentially that. There's there's a difference between what we believe. Crypto should be in you know. I let me ask you this to real quick before I make that statement is crypto in your opinion simply a means of transaction in the monetary percents than in the blockchain can use everything else. No you know. crypto from the very first from the white paper. The White Paper paper. Okay we're not talking the CS W nonsense the white paper. Bitcoin has always been a network. It has always always had immutability censorship resistance as core goals. You know when we look at even over the past few years we've you've seen Are Chinese vaccine whistleblower who exposed fraudulent vaccines in China by uploading her research to the Therion blockchain so that it couldn't be censored you know that's the kind of thing that ten years ago you know because we didn't have bitcoin ten years ago wouldn't have been able to be done her research. What been buried in a hole and I'm pretty sure she's in like labor camp now but just because you can't be censored doesn't mean you won't bear the consequences of it but you know there's a lot of things that come with crypto and come with the ability to say okay? I'm not going to be censored or I'm going to be brave enough to this out here for the world you know and you know we see open timestamps. We can prove data existed at a certain point in time. You know. We see the zero knowledge proofs. Getting better start case starks. We see all of this stuff developing and all of this gray in you know we're headed towards Stronger Privacy as privacy is weakening opening and other areas. You know And we even see social media developing around the block chain. You know we've got steam. We've got uptrend we've got. There's another one I can't think of the name of it right now. You're your mind's Yep mines well Pardon pardon my ignorance. How does that translate privacy? Wise being that the blockchain is like kind of out there in me. Oh God no. I'm just making ashes favorite thing to talk about on our great I am. Privacy is a basic human right. I feel the Joe I saw that. Iro Oh oh God him. I was looking for my whiskey good shape so no with the beginnings of Bitcoin you know everything was sued anonymous and for the most part that was effectively private beach. It was before Software came that could track and correlate different addresses and basically track your identity. Just like your phone in your browser at home and all of that stuff is linked together through your habits and accounts that you use the cookies that you collect and all of that so similar principles apply to block chain when it's a public chain That uses no sort of privacy. So you know you can have have different types of privacy. I'M NOT GONNA go through and explain each of them because Joe has a look right now where his face is like Google searching soon. The words you're saying but that's it so you know there's all these different types of privacy and the different privacy coins have had their issues and I have been one of the biggest critics of privacy coins. I find privacy to be so critical and not only privacy as as we look at it for now but if I'm doing transactions today that seventy seven years from now are going to be exposed and I did those. Those transactions to expectation of privacy. That's kind of screwed up. You know like if if it's not going to be far enough into the future to. I'm not matter when it weakens it's not really privacy. You know it's like saying Oh. Your emails are safe. But they're only safe for the next seven years. Yeah all right true or false ash. Quantum computing will kill the blockchain. Anytime Sound Fair could answer all right well At I'm very very very proud of all your accomplishments. Most importantly the fact that you have a degree from the US or Florida you're gay or Chump Chop right go gators. There's also a subscriber to my gator. PODCASTS I do look at you. I've only done it twice. It and everybody was bothering him on. It was either related to him or from. CCT that's true. That is true. And I'm thankful for the family and my actual family. I very strong support group about where. They're supporting him for two thousand views on that video hater all right. Thanks for coming on me and Jim. We will have more time soon. Jim As how do I say this Jim Scam. Poli is now on blocked by Ash. So I can't wait till he sees the knowledge dropped by the Ash. Rolston the I look forward to it. You should change your last name to something like Earl Earl Ston just put it in front of it just so you can actually be. That'd be Kinda cool that would like people have middle names is it. Does it start with an I know because then my initials would be air tight to like this air like Michael Jordan went by Sir. Okay Dell have fun all right thanks ash these all right. Thanks for joining us. Obviously ash is full of she. Honestly this is not a joke. Jimmy ashes been one of the biggest influences. I've had all of crypto she is. She helped guide me from you know. She helped guide responsibility. And that's easy to say and I was thankful that she gave me a chance because you know she gave you a second chance. I guess probably because we're friends so you can thank me later or not. Thank me later depending on how your next interaction with that goes well. I just annoyed until she left. But my other question like Joe Blackburn as a content creators especially for though space here obviously bitcoin radio now again from my limited perspective it seems like what people wanna eat up and maybe what gets. More of the easy clicks are people doing Chart predictions actions or ice predictions and stuff like that. And obviously that's not something you're interested in so like how do you balance that. Like what is the like or is that more of a surface read of the community or is that kind of what people are looking for. Like what do you think I think you nailed it like like It's not just the service need for read for self. I mean Jimmy One told you hey look this coins go up a lot tomorrow. Wouldn't you be interested. Yeah Yeah I'M GONNA at least pay attention even to this day like someone says that you know I mean they better be right you know but but the point join is like every every human I know even ash who hates these people now. She's going to be watching for a an ulterior motive to smash them the next day smash -ly coming coming out but but ash will. You're asked whether you're joe whether you're Jim whether you're Joe Schmo doesn't matter you're going to be paying attention to something when someone says that and you you know the space was a lot different back in sixteen. Seventeen in ashes been consistent. I in fact I don't think she's ever changed nor has she aged. She's like literally the exact same thing. You know Jim Nets that's just consistent. And you know I have changed a lot and but I was also really kind of guided by people all who were making everybody else money right so I'm sitting here watching this stuff and then I have my own opinions. This is why they should go up. Fortunately you know a lot of the stuff I did say especially early on did go up right but it was also is kind of like what Astros fan about the self fulfilling prophecy with Palm Beach Governance PBC. I I don't want to be like I'm on that level. Well because first of all we don't we weren't charging but these people who are charging are obviously buying everything that these people tell them to buy or else. Why would you pay five K.? A year you know. That's a lot of money and you think about at five thousand thousand dollars for picks I mean I make a bunch of picks right now in charge you know nothing and they would probably go up right. I mean even if I go I was just GonNa say it reminds me of like you know there are like sports betting lines and stuff like that and there is no I mean. Obviously it's a different animal but there are guys that I mean not to say that you can't do that. There are people that are knowledgeable and can get fairly accurate Well Yeah it's a it is it. It's kind of weird thing and there's a science to the sports betting and I don't have that pick you know. I mean this is something you know that between math and algorithms and computers computers placed pardon us now and I mean do bad calls in a football game like penalty before field goal attempt. You know that that changes the whole dynamic of the of the spread you know and so I mean whether it's sports picking or whether it's I mean I don't WanNa say it's because people have influencing crypto and there's I'll go back to superman I haven't heard from superman forever but have you ever heard of Superman by the way Jim was up before your time. That was a forward step. Superman man does this dude right here. He had a way of captivating his people he had. He had this I guess he's English on this this this really proper London accent and I'm not going to pretend that I can do it. I almost pretended that I could do it for a second But you know he got on there. He talked about which coins he was buying. and Lo and behold you know for about four months they all went up right and then that day day ended and there was nothing left the superman of his content. That was it. I mean he literally made his money. You know taking money from other projects and look I. I don't hate superman the way that other people do Ash will probably disagree with me when I say this but I feel like superman was a product of time period where people were begging for that type of content right and it could have been worse than Superman. Superman wasn't the worst person on earth. I look at people like I. I hate to hate on Ron. 'cause I know he was going through his own troubles right now Actually actually I did hear that as she did quit rate quit not too long ago But but I I look alike Bonded with Dick Connect and he he shield the hell out of it told all all his people he's GonNa buy it back from them. If it's GonNa fail I mean clearly this guy got got you know and he was so bought in and so far in making so much money and then it all died and then all these guys are gone and the people who did not adjust and who didn't have more character behind that but it's just not as appealing jump so you know you the twenty seven thousands views on one video and St with McAfee. Once I'm not going to get that anytime soon. Because he stays close group and nobody's making any money off by picks and it's lost its luster and a lot of ways and I don't I and in fact that's a compliment right. Yeah because that's a better way to go. Yeah Yeah it's interesting because it's definitely a balance. Because has I mean I guess it's similar to you. Know whether people that are bloggers or online media you gotTa have there are places that have integrity and try to give you like legit Stories in reporting and then of course there are places that have quick Click Bait and the click does work really well in the short term. And that's kind of the balance. You gotta you gotTa go with our Jim about Jimmy Fallon. Oh Man I always. That's what you have is like. He's bigger than your like. He's literally bigger than you. And if you look behind you. It's actually green screen screen. I'm I'm literally looking at a laughing. Jimmy Fallon the entire show. It's just a vibe man. It's just I have a very sarcasm Dr Vibe so the fact that he's behind me means I don't like them. It's like you know ash doesn't in in joy. People that are Pumping and dumping like so you take super. If he had a picture of Superman would put him back there. So you know. I don't enjoy William so of course I have my background to find a bitcoin background or some shit. Sure it by the way I'm not here I mean like I think Superman is in a weird dude at A. He made his money. I guess but probably at last but I just wanted to clear ash hates him a lot more than me. I think Superman did things. There could have been worse people than Superman. That's that's all. I want to say there are worse than Jimmy Fallon too well but so. That's the neat. Like no one knows what his real name is. He's just Oh. Yeah the Superman no okay. I think men Jimmy Fallon Jimmy. Because it's your name. Yeah no I know his real name but yeah yeah I mean because it does feel like most people that are going to do that especially in the in the community or the space it is either. Because it's a scam. Or maybe they get Blackie and then eventually it will kind of burn out and then she would get upset and what I mean. What is the 'cause I I've heard a lot of people I mean? I've heard you say it every people people they're always like I don't get van financial advice now are you. Are you open to liability as far as something that concerned. If you don't preface that I I mean I guess so right. I mean like I've been told that by by people who are in law and the law and they've got a law school his name is Michael. SUPPO says asked by the away. I Superman is a clever name to hate the guy. I just don't hate him. You know I kind of you know I feel like he was misguided right. He didn't have an ash way anyways. But to your question actually let me say this real quick Jim. This space is filled with a bunch of speculation. Plain and simple I mean. It's a speculative space. People buy coins because they think they're going to go up whether you're an influence or whether you got encrypt over the first day nobody's buying these sons of guns to to lose money right. I mean it is what it is however ever you know. There's a responsibility from certain individuals that they have to be a certain way right. I mean like I have a responsibility not to go on there and say go by this coin it makes sense. There is obvious but Jim what do you think if I actually nice background. Dude looks really good. No Jimmy Fallon no dude. I Mess Jimmy Fallon like put him back up on missing. What when I figure out my green screen? Yeah you better believe. I'll be Jimmy Fallon up all right. I won't be some stupid picture. It'll be like him like chilling next to me and like me and him having a good time. Just the troll. You aren't fair enough joking because you make me look good so just joking. anyways to point is this is that we have in Crypto. This situation where people want to listen. Listen to certain people because they're going to be profitable. It is what it is. It's not unlike. Many other niches is just overly embellishing exaggerated in crypto because the market can go up so quickly and go down so quickly. I look at this and say hey people who else is doing this put your name. I'm online show me how to do it better right and you know. I've had to learn lessons along the way Jim but I can tell you this as boring as it might be sometimes and you know this this this precursor this disclaimer. Or whatever this legal liability that might exist. I don't know I don't really know what it is. I just know if I say it and then I don't do anything stupid. Then then okay right yeah it might as well just say that just in case like not too concerned with being sued or something but also like just for just for safety kind of deal. Yes yes by the way. There's a lot of people who probably meant well who really screwed up in two thousand seventeen that will never get another chance and I was very fortunate to have people like asu still watching. And I'm grateful for that to kind of step up and you know in shows people all the way and it's my responsibility to do that for other people and I try to do that all the time. Now if you're making the movie on twenty Seventeen Bitcoin who's was the WHO's who's the main character like you're making the wolf of Wall Street back Ephron yes not the actor. But who's the person in the space. Is that the movie focused on. I thought you were going to be going to Blackburn. Yeah okay well I kinda plays Joe Blackburn we that but but is there like a main driver or is that just Kinda like these click bait articles that are acting like there's this main person behind it all was from. That's a good answer. Obviously obviously I'm just joking. Oh man how deep do you want to go like people thought people were getting rich dude like people were getting richest. Whatever ever I mean it was like real money getting made? Well actually let me put it. This way. Who was who's WHO's a big name that came out as a scammer out of that timeframe or is there one like someone who was thought of is kind of well respected but then they were kind of outed? Almost you know Jim. Here's a here's the thing is I'm not here to make enemies and I forgive people probably too quickly. You know the the people who messed up and who did things a certain way they literally. We are a product of what people wanted. It's not all their fault and I don't I'm not somebody WHO's an apologist. I'm not sitting here telling people that they should be responsible but if there weren't people people listening nobody would. Nobody would care right. I mean Jim Imagine going on your facebook profile on in two thousand seventeen. Not Being Crypto upto. Not being around anybody and saying hey everybody go by this coin. They're gonNA be like what the heck how what what how what do you mean. It wouldn't matter like what you said. Did you look like you'd probably look like an idiot. Honestly right but these people want an excuse to not only win and then claim their own wins but they they want an excuse when they lose and have with a lot of things that happen in Crypto is that shut the hell up take some personal responsibility and stop being a Wuss about it. It's Crypto if you're playing with money that you can't lose get out stop. Yeah it was a great point. Why don't you listen? Some of that. People like listen to what I'm saying right now. Stop doing that. Just stop if you are looking to buy a lottery ticket and if you lose that lottery ticket it's it's going to hurt you too bad. That's not anybody's fault. Now I do believe responsibility falls onto the influencers but shut the hell up like you either bought because you wanted to buy this token and you loved it or you bought because you thought you're going to get rich and if you are the scammer Kammer the silent scammer trying to buy and then quickly sell I hate you. You're actually the worst thing. For crypto reason. Why twenty two thousand seventeen happened? So that's my answer to that is that I don't. I don't have to point out anybody. 'cause I can point out. There's a lot of Douche bags that pretend like the victim. You're not that big dome bre you were looking for money and let's not pretend you weren't right so that that's that's up. I'm sure I will hear some things about that because I'm more like I mean even I mean well I guess especially in something like crypto. We're not like you're not looking for this. Isn't like like a get rich quick scheme. I mean obviously everyone wants to make some money. But it's not gonNA be. It's not that easy as someone saying. Hey buy this and then you go and buy it and then yeah sure yeah now. Don't get me wrong like I literally to this day and paying attention to what people are saying right. But what's what's the ethical line like what's the difference. You know now. Ashes made a good comment. You know and it says your responsibility risk reward. These are all things that are deeply personal. You can't put it on someone else when you click that buy I button. But at some point those influencers no there were agreed one hundred percent. Everybody has a responsibility to do something the right way. I'm just saying it's not only superman. Commands fault only Joe Blackburn's follow wasn't only so it was his fault that that happened. Every coin went down twenty seventeen after two thousand seventeen. Jump everything everything I think just destroyed itself because there was nothing to back it up. There was no reason for it to keep going and we all got relief site about it. I the perfect example I. It literally believed that Crypto was taking over the world and I was sitting on the throne of the Kingdom and we were all gonna live this happy. You know Utopian Life Life that we all just had all this crypto now and I was freaking wrong and I'm okay with that and I stood by and I never left I never wavered. I stood there next to it but Jim. I'd say us where those people who are talking. Shit who are now added crypto not because Joe Blackburn around because the Superman not because Ashraf blocked them but they left because they couldn't handle it. It's very very nasty ugly space when things are bad but when they're good everybody's everybody's not only are they. The the Gods Gifted crypto picking coins there are also the protector of all the people and persons scammer. But they don't care when they're not in it you know it's like pick aside man. What what are you really here for I I just I just don't have a lot of respect for that type now have You know what I think they need to do is more of these coins. Well I guess there's well one of these coins. They need to get like a rapper and to you know name drop their coin in verse. You know you gotta get drake out there like you know. Don't go by a whip though. Take that money. Put it. In crypto. Wait is over and like you know. Drop an exchange change or something because then everyone's going to be like. Oh my God. What is that now? That's probably the most genius pump and dump. I think that could happen. Oh that's happened by by the way though you look your your vegas boy eight Bro. He's Vegas Dude you're eight now I have a I'm sending you a Lincoln is over with coming up on the hour by the way or or even the point of like someone like Kim Kardashian tweeting like ooh checkout joint base but they're obviously has to be some sort of void may whether did the right but he did he get in trouble each other. Hey did like half of what he got paid which whatever you know. They made them they made it. You Still Got Beta. least he got paid from what I understood he got paid like a lot of money on the side. Encrypted Right DA always smart take minero come on now but then he had to pay like six hundred grand or something like something is what they said. I mean. I'm not mad at Floyd now. Whether you know tyler pets was doing this crypto course right and the thing is tyler has never developed. Of course somebody else did in Tilapia. Sold it right. Yep I actually think I. Lopez is is brilliant. The dude is a marketer out of this world. I was listening to a video of his earlier in the week and he was just kind of going over the like what do successful people actually do. The guys actually we about us. I mean you're not accidentally successful right you know. Some people are accidentally talented. You know they don't realize like you know. Cash me off side all right. How about that is actually GonNa Catch on and then you get lucky enough because that was stupid enough to be famous and at whatever exactly dude? I'm down isn't a bobby bad. Bobby rb I thought it was too but I'm pretty sure it's bad baby but you could be right. I I think they're spilled exact same way. Bobby Orr baby. She spells it. We're yeah it's like Vha deep yeah. So I mean whatever I mean uncle high a bit banger. You'd like you're you're the pop culture guy. Yeah you're right I believe you you know so my bobby I mean is probably wrong so Barbie offs. We can all agree on that. I was talking to get a white girl I I but yeah anyways so by the way she didn't she just get into a fight or something as she got. beat up by WHOA Vicky I guy or girl girl just another girl that tried to do what she did but didn't get quite as popular from it so they were kind of beefing and then she beat her up but then bad baby says that no. She didn't beat her up. You know it's a whole thing Chelsea says I was actually entice crypto. Doc Superiors back something like in Chelsea. I agree I get to meet him in two thousand seventeen Actually two thousand eighteen and Miami and then we we went to a party. He was actually at the Party and I got a chance to. I had nothing but respect for the guy afterwards. I'd only heard he was like this. Like like the dude who just does videos and makes aches means you know turns out. He's actually brilliant for anybody. He speaks at a high level. Always really oh self-aware and he's really aware and he's a nice guy too. He was Super Nice. I mean like like genuinely. Where're you from? Oh man that's near New Orleans. Okay cool yeah. I mean had genuine conversation so I respect the guy. Aren't you go people. Think at this crypto course was a scam or was this ultimately an okay thing like well would like what was the aftermath of this Chelsea. You got like five minutes remember remember are we told me like we were just. We were just comedy they do it. Right as you're welcome to hop onto the the link is in the comments. It's so feel free to hop on if you get a chance anyways but while we're waiting on that if you just type it that's fine too. Jim have a question for you though. Yes all right so knowing knowing like obviously we've had a pretty. We haven't got to the topics I have written down in front of me like literally like have all this stuff right. I mean that's my own fault but knowing what you know just from this conversation like is this interesting to people or do you think like why even this typical conversation like something has to get better. I'm not talking talking about entertainment wise. Where Joe's entertaining enough or you know of ashes is talking too much privacy? That's not what I mean right. And obviously I'm making a making a generic assessment of the entire conversation but it is interesting that people yet or some shit actually have to go down for people to take it seriously. Well now. I think it's interesting do you. I mean just as far as building an audience or do you mean as like getting like what romance I guess I guess kind of all of it you know. It's like Tyler Pets Tyler. It has a huge audience. You know if he gets one percent of the people to pay attention to what he's doing you know that's great. They might top in. They might pay a few bucks and then the route right. I have have no opinion if that's right or wrong. But who's WHO's actually looking at this conversation saying. Hey this actually might matter like this stuff. That's happening actually does play a part in my life. Well I mean I do think it's. It's obviously people in the space. It's interesting stuff. It's things people are thinking about. People are talking about but the the big hurdle obviously kind of royal referring to is is getting the is on it and kind of the way to get the is it would be like the drama and stuff like that. That's why you know we. We just mentioned mentioned the cash meals girl like that was just a dramatic thing that caught a lot is and that fight that she had it was probably fake. anyways it was you. I know because it's a way to get headlines and get people talking about it so you do Kinda need a little above you. Need that like drama. You need to you know Joe. Blackburn needs to turn on his camera and call out someone in Crypto to get some is on it. And then once you real amend and you keep them with that Joe Blackburn charm. Well you know I did. That already is actually right. After you mean you hung out in New Orleans right and that was when trump shit about bitcoin so I went on record at called trump out and I guess he was scared wondering you know what I asked him. I said MS trump. If you ever talk shit about bitcoin again. Can you just tag me like just like directed at me like just be like Joe Blackburn. You are a bitcoin loser. I'll take it well going back to that real quick now. Where do you think that came from? was that like was that trump just kind of hearing about something in just spouting off on it. Because he's you know he's obviously very quick he's not gonNa like think about something too much before calling it out. was that weird attention thing was that you know do. Do you think that was enough anything. I know it's kind of little this point. It's not though I still think it's really one of the biggest things that ever happened. Crypto and just in general is for Donald Trump just to recognize it. Okay and it's what you said is very true you know and I agree with you. when you say like you know there's a lot of questions about what with purpose be like what is the reason behind it and I don't have anything to do with actual bitcoin right. I think it probably had something to do with more along the wines of Probably just making an impact when it came to Having an opinion opinion about it right he just wants to have an opinion about some certain things but surely there was somebody who he was talking to that he was making a point to like. Don't you think that's how trump operates like he says something it kind of makes sense that everybody. It's relevant. I guess to a certain extent but really in reality. He's speaking to a group or person actually have a Lotta respect trump when it comes to his marketing I don't think it's that dissimilar to John McAfee. I think they both have a really strong ability to bring about emotion. You know and I mean to this day. I can't go a single freaking day without seeing John on McAfee is going to have to eat his dick post on. T. Like people. What the hell is this not old enough to you and now they just came up with new website called addicting right? Yeah so in preparation for John McAfee like John McAfee is actually gonna eat as Dick nor does he give a shit if he does if he's wrong but I can tell you this much. Why wouldn't we all be on his side like I hope he's right? I don't WanNa see me Dick Right. I mean I wouldn't even want got to be one dollars less so that he could eat as Dick still like whatever John McAfee is somebody who I think's more for the space in any of the people talking about him. Well if he's smart and he is if it does if it doesn't go his way he should get like the cake boss or something to make a Dick cake and then he has to sit can do a live stream and eat it dude he already. He already told everybody how he's GonNa Handle. It says he's GonNa use balls or something like that. He is going to hire somebody Eddie. He's going to contract the job out like says any good and it's probably going to be of the female variety of South East Asia. And I think it was not his exact words. But that's the general idea that he a gave I. I think you said Thailand but I can't remember for sure so He's already got a plan you know as I would expect to do. And he's going to win this battle and you're going to keep talking about them focus in GonNa make him more famous and more relevant which. I'm glad because you know what guys done more for the space in most you you so f off leave alone shit. Yeah I think they were talking about or making a McAfee movie right. Didn't they cast someone. There's some rumors I think it was saffron. I wouldn't be surprised me okay. Abro last year it was Michael. Keaton was being talked about it but that was a year ago. I thought there was something again recently where they admit some. Have you watched Gringo or whatever called Oh you know what Zach Ephron is attached. Actually but I don't think he's playing McAfee. It's Joe Black. Remember I told you what he did. Nailed a little spot. Oh He's yeah. He's an investigator in the King of the jungle movie. I've not that scene Gringa. I've been meaning to watch it but I have not seen it which one is in the McAfee documentary. Oh you told my Gringo yes it may cut up. I mean like I watched like fifteen minutes of it. I turned it off. I was like actually Kinda Guy. I don't WanNa wash those movie. You think it's GonNa make thank. You dislike them now. No but I did see somebody. Show up Nick Anderson still watching cheers. You Bro go gators man Nick. First off he was in the March expanded pool with me And the like there's like fifteen of us and see st but I have to say. He talked shit to me before the Auburn game. This is the first time we showed up on one of my lives. I think it it might happen before so I decided to like call you quick enough Florida on lose Lsu. And I'm the Chelsea's watching so whatever Chelsea. I was rooting for you. Bama you heard what I had to say. Shut up Chelsea. I don't WanNa hear it anyways. All Right Jim if they made a movie about you. Who's playing you probably said? Give me some. Probably Seth Jimmy Fallon. Yeah Yeah I agree. Yeah Jimmy Fallon. Probably do look at that laugh Bro. He would be a good Jimmy. Jimmy Jimmy are the one thing I won't do. I won't call you Jimmy all right in my face I aww. Don't hang up Bro. I don't hang out hang up. I said until the end I fair enough favorite. TV show ever TV show ever sopranos a really. I mean it's the best show made a didn't aren't they going to do something like a new movie or something with the Sopranos. They're doing a prequel movie. Yes Okay Coco. I've only watched a couple. Intermediate Intermediate Li. I've only seen like here and there but I enjoyed the spurs at watched. But it's just not something that I need like aliens aliens and space and things like keep my attention. That are so unrealistic that I'm not over thanking them. Chose yeah but like I don't know when you watch like obviously everyone knows that you're a big star Trek Fan. You're a trekkie but you're talking about overthinking star. Trek is all thinking because it's all l. like not only is it. You know an idealized future and different morality questions on what that entails. It's also about like politics six and things of now. Yeah but I'll say this is that when I was a kid when I first started like being aware of Star Trek that show means is a lot more to me now than it did back then right like I can look back and we're how wrong were they. That's my question right. And it gave me a perspective effective to be able to say you know a few years from now a decade from now one hundred years from now we'll be judged very differently. I mean look back. Here's a perfect example. Christopher Columbus apparently today is a racist hateful horrible human being who we should celebrate and I actually have a huge problem with that you know he was Italian. Who under the I believe? The Spanish crown was contracted for a position. He went over if you ever read any of his autobiographies which I have not read his full autobiographies red experts experts. And the guy actually was not a mean spirited individual he was a adventure seeking person who lived in a certain time period where people all had really left up beliefs. And what are they going to say about us. One Hundred Years from now two hundred five hundred years from now right now. It's just a relative time period. You know you just just you you are. He did break the prime directive though yes he did out but nor was star trek dealing trek anyways. I'm not even the deep but I'm not even a huge fan of the prime directive. That's actually one of the things that like I understand. Why Bro? Just let them hook them up. Save those people you know like like interfere you know. They don't need to go through that. Give them give them replicator I do. I do mostly agree with what you're saying whereas like we can't can't judge you know. Obviously we have a more civilized different society now. You can't judge it the same way you know you keep going you go. Further and further not even just Columbus go further and further back in history. It's people being conquered people fighting wars ores. Some people winning some people losing. Unfortunately that's just the way that selena fortunate. It's literally why we're here. Yes exactly like it's led to now. Yeah you definitely would want you definitely want to learn from it. You don't want to know your history. You do WanNa look you want to at least see why things are bad. But you also can't wallow in it that's always he's my problem you can't you can't walk and I don't even really remember why it came up on a high level but I I can say this just to kind of the main point is that you know now I mean regardless of even in Crypto. I look there's some Christopher Columbus in crypto right. There's people who who did certain things because it was is okay. It was normal. I mean dude. I'll tell you right now. I was in a group of Twenty Five Thousand People back in twenty sixteen ethic. It was extra probably twelve thousand the I grew to like twenty five thousand group that the only reason why that group existed is because everybody literally wanted to just to buy the same thing and be in. Just sell it before for the person I look back. Look those assholes but are they really assholes like can you judge the beginning of Crypto. I mean like this. ICO Culture. Yeah I mean we needed to go through that period. We needed to learn some frigging lessons. We needed to be humbled right. We didn't need to think these things and I have A. I have a really big problem with people to quit the judge you know like. Let's remember that lessons learned are actually really valuable if you repeat them now if I go back and act like that I want to be judged I would expect me to be judged Yup right I mean if I wasn't I would be really disappointed in my community thirty. I'd be really disappointed in my friends and my family. I'd be disappointed in you like job. That's wrong because we have to have integrity ethics that that that exists but we have to learn certain lessons to know that they're wrong you know if we were perfect. Got Think about all the mistakes made let alone. We're talking about crypt up right. We were just talking about crypto with no rules nobody to say yes or no or that's wrong even to this day like as an individual trader as long as you pay your taxes. They don't give a shit what you do. They're mad at the people who give it to you sure but they're not mad at you. Jim I hope not right well. Is there a fear. I always a somewhat off topic but we talked about it you talk about the having is having or the happening I call it the happening because it sounds so much cooler having now what what is there ever fear though that what if like you know. Then everyone's just like Nah fuck this now. We don't want to do this anymore. And then it just becomes like the plummets and no one. It's now we're not a chance like people mining bitcoin wherever yeah fuck this. I don't care any what I don't know make libra. I guess uh-huh no libra stable. I mean it goes up right now but my point is what what are we gonNA do like. What are we going to do if this fails? We'll ask you the Baz has what are we GONNA do. If this fails actually can teach but Baz what are we GONNA do. This fails is watching so I mean like you know. There's a lot of people coming into the space. There's a lot of money and what I do. I have to trade literally to try to make my living for the most part. I mean there's a lot of money I just I'm not interested in certain aspects of it and you know fortunately we were both you know working with mouse but at a high level now and you know. There's a lot of awesome things that come along with third engineer company. That's really building some cool shit. I I can't wait to be you know in front of some things that are happening And we'll get to that later 'cause lot we can't talk about on that but But needless to say Jim when you think about the future sure can you imagine it without bitcoin being really relevant like I can't even. Bitcoin is a standard now for things that should be right. Things should operate this way. Too many people who really believe in the purpose and I'll use ash again. As an example here Ashi nailed it when this is different sprint. Blockchain and Crypto is a huge difference and I agree with her of course because ashes always right She's Ai and and when when how often do you know computers would be you know. They're typically relatively. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. I don't Google search myself. Google search on my phone own which is a mini computer. Because it's not that computers Arinze usually users that are wrong. Yeah Yeah exactly. User error is the is the failure. Oh you're of of humanity right. I mean we're going to end up dying the whole the whole world's GonNa end up dying well eventually it's going to because nature because the sun's gonNA swallow us all but but if we don't kill each other before that which anticipate we will probably because somebody made a mistake they know that and it feels like point. Bitcoin has passed that glass ceiling. I guess where it's like even though there are plenty of people that don't know really what it is or a lot about it have. Have you say Bitcoin to them. They kind of have heard of it at the very least it is like a common thing that people are on era. They may not know much about it and that's where something like Bitcoin coin for Christmas Dot Com comes again if we could do that. people but yeah it does feel like it's become Like I like a name brand random guess for lack of a better description yep and even I actually used facebook as an example for this gym. I mean we're about the same age and I know a lot of people. Listening here probably probably can relate to this remember when it was like a joke when we'd be like tag me like I took a picture of you tag me on facebook we would never. We almost didn't take it seriously. Like oh my Gosh said it on facebook. So they're really facebook so it must be serious right and so gradually you know. facebook became part of social culture. Right right how long does that take gym. I mean it's been out for fourteen fifteen years now right. How long was it until facebook was like nine and getting into twitter but how long until facebook actually became like part of everybody's life would you say how how long ago was it was fairly quick? I mean tonight ten to twelve yeah. We'll we'll probably like yeah probably like two thousand eight even like I'm sure in two thousand and two thousand ten was like the big boom because I think I on twitter two thousand nine but already been well and that was twitter was very new but I already been well on facebook but we always even thought of it at the time is like okay you know we had. We had friendster than we had what we had aim. We had friends to read. The space will have facebook for a little while. Then we'll move onto the next one but we still have moved on to the next. I mean obviously people move on instagram and stuff but technically you're saying look face Sir Sir World. It's still I mean no matter what like twitter can be the most popular thing us right now and the president can be on it and Kanye West can say this and you know drake and do that and you know. The hockey player from Canada handed out. Whatever his name is Baz? You probably know He says this but you know long story short. Social media quickly became absolute not like the exception adoption or the joke. It became so serious like nowadays people are getting fired for what they said back in two thousand nine on twitter right when it first came out I mean there was a a a a ball player in I mean. I'm not trying to even have an opinion on this. I think it's ridiculous that that that an idiot of a eighteen year old or a fifteen year old can't go back and change. Change his mind without being judged so harshly. Not Saying it's right. I mean obviously we have to have a standard as culture to not allow certain types of behavior. But come on if the happened today. It's a different story than what happened. Seven eight years ago saying that. It's okay that that happened but give the guy a chance to explain himself. I you know. Anyway that's a different topic You know bitcoin and cryptocurrency. We're kind of still at joke period. That tag me tag me right where people have now harder facebook. They know that people are doing it. Parents probably don't take it serious but how long until they do how long until it's part of everybody's 401K. How to were actually part of something? That was the way that the thing that everything changed with. And that's what social media did. It changed everything. It wasn't the Internet. The Internet was amazing but I really feel like social media changed everything and it wasn't until obviously obviously the Internet needed to exist for social media to happen but the internet just allowed connectivity but until the new niche communities right. I mean it was still like you would only interact Iraq with people on aim. Msn Messenger who might be your email address facebook and twitter and then everything else come afterward they connected everybody. That's Bitcoin. And and all these little cryptocurrencies. They're going to die but there's a bunch that will stay. There's a lot that will die and they should the pieces of shit. I own probably half of them all right but I already know they're gonNa die so I'm just hoping you know one of them makes it and I get the majority of of of a half a the percent back anyways but hopefully that actually make sense. No no no that makes complete sense. Yeah it's it's yeah whether it be bitcoin or something else that big Wayne. It's not something going away for for quite a while at the very least and I'll say this to Bitcoin is facebook. There's always something that is the instagram. They'll be something twitter but bitcoin is. FACEBOOK FACEBOOK is the most powerful entity in the entire world bigger than president bigger than the than the Chinese government. FACEBOOK can do more than the president can. Hey look just look at how they blame the election action right. Yeah well and then I mean this is somewhat different here but going back to like you were talking about with twitter. I actually I actually just said what I was GONNA say. 'cause I was going to say what about when you combine social media Ashley. What up? That's kind of what I was getting at as well like what about about when you combine social media with the blockchain because at least now people are getting in trouble for all tweets but technically. If you're kinda smarter a little forward thinking you can go back and remove some of your Darrell tweets thing to do but would that remove basically even that option. Because again I'm still kind of a new year. I know like the whole thing with the blog. Like polarized they could write the blockchain code in a way that it's always there right. Nothing's the legal but or they could make it private in. You do what you want. You know that's the beauty of developers they can be creative and make things happen but anyways dude. I think this has been a great conversation. Jim Marone where over our time and I do believe that. We've had a credible conversation but Oh hold on hold on hold on. We have another Ash Ashley. Wants to join us on. What's up Ash Plato? It had the jump on. Cynthia are talking about my comment. Of course is non binary as your which. I actually respect that a lot right because you know you have the female which I support that that movement is well associations non binary is even core while one. It's the computer joke. Upon of course it goes all and to its community that I care a lot about of course of course well. I'm glad you joined on. We had the two females hopping on his guests and people balls so I can get out of respect to that actual symbols on earlier. Ashley obviously as is a good friend of mine as well. I'm glad that you're join on what you think. So so far tonight about the about the show. I only caught the last end of it. When you were talking about Columbus you probably disagree with me about about Columbus discovering America being an ultimately good thing? That's the reason I'm here to do by the way we've discussed this before where my family came from is absolutely just like an old argument. Is this like Not We weren't arguing. What as far as you mentioned in your comment here social media on the blockchain? I'm not familiar with these different. Social Networks here that you've linked like peop- it's dot com and streaming dot com. Yes Oh people like twitter but essentially essentially the idea is that because it's on a immutable ledger. It's censor proof however they have a front facing. Ui where they can have community standards like twitter or facebook. They can have things like we don't want hate speech on our platform but it will still be saved on the blockchain being posted and so the idea ideas that how do our conversations change when we know that they are saved forever right like a lot of things are on twitter. There would probably not like people probably wouldn't want to sign their name off to everything that they've ever posted right so people will be more careful as well as this idea that I you you will be able to post whatever you want. And it will exist on the blockchain forever and it cannot be censored however at least you know if they wanNA have community standards that protects their community community and prevents hate speech and stuff that will be hidden from the sun in the early days twitter. Though weren't they captured. Cataloging everything everything in the library of Congress. I think they stop. They've since stops but like I don't know I feel like people are just going to be pretty ignorant of the fact like even even if they join a blockchain social network. They're still not going to grasp that something. Is there forever. But maybe that's just like a cynical nature on Mike how people treat treat the Internet especially young people. I guess Yawkey talking. I'll be right back to take a phone call. Yeah and then. I'm also just interested in any blockchain projects that seek to give ownership of your data as well as Compensate you for your creative work so I think this is something that that you would probably agree with steam. It is a lobbying and social tool that you know when you receive likes and incentivizing you're sharing and people like your content. It should be you who gets rewarded for that. Not FACEBOOK AD AD revenue. Now that's a great point because actually like it's like I you know I've talked about this on this show with Joe and stuff. I'm still very much a new but it's interesting because I I'm listening like just this week. I'm listening to. That's a horror movie. podcast they just got they bring filmmakers on they discuss movies and a listener. Question actually brought up like word their opinions were as far as the blockchain what that could mean for independent filmmakers to be able to not only cut out the middleman for you know being compensated for their work but also if they do partner with a studio it's been known like whether it be music industry film industry. They always play around with their books and stuff on what they pay creators. And it's never even thought about it. I was like Oh yeah. Hey I'm hearing about blockchain here and just the you know out in the wild so how how things are starting to really seep into like all all walks of life. Yeah I saw company out of Demo Day for an accelerator Ucla the using blockchain for the film industry and what you have when when you have this immutable ledger was and the ability to create smart contracts. You can tie royalties to to people that are on the ledger immutability. And so anytime anyone receives compensation for creative work everyone attached to it can be rewarded as law was great though Ashley Actually got a question for you if you had a actress or actor because she's not binary who would your would your portrayal be Matthew Lillard. Okay cool urged all vote somebody. Somebody told me at a party. Say they said in your MANNERISMS and your appearance. That is the celebrity I most resemble and I never felt more seen like. He is me especially especially especially in him in. FLC Gray movie. I haven't seen on a long time ago. Jim Were you game. I'm just asking WHO's Ludi Green. They said they'll probably cast Rogan et CETERA. Organised right yeah. So who do you think should play you. I don't know Brad Pitt hit dialing. Yeah you know Fred Bit cast me cast them and actually going back to McAfee is movie they just cast McAfee Avi in the movie fair enough I was GonNa say if they cast. Patrick it might be a McAfee. Who would who would it be? Actually you know Patrick. Well I'll how who would play Patrick in a movie Cory Matthews Meets World Ya the bill for as far as appearance maybe a little bit. We're GONNA hate me when it's boy meets world boy meets world road. That's a great. That's a great. That's flashback. We all grew up with that. We not it was as my my my younger brother watch boy meets world. No Kid I mean obviously bill kid too I mean we all were TBS. I mean it was all their hell. Yeah anyways all right so bring it back to the intelligent conversation. Sorry dumbed down anyways. Well go ahead Ashleigh. Oh I was just going to say you know I just wanted to say hi you guys and and Chime in but have yet to dinner so and I have off well. We're all about to help out pretty soon. We're thirty minutes overtime period. I think it's gone pretty well. Jim What do thank. Yeah no I like that. We can kind of jump around a bit. You know we could talk a real blockchain use and then joke and bring up boy meets world sprint. Regale us with a little bit of a theme song. It wasn't so bad. Was it off. Great get right back down to business. Agreed Ashley what you carry okay. Choice usually something country or fleetwood Mac. Jim Bon Jovi. You gotta go like dead or alive. Bon Jovi I carry that tune. I got to stick with something. That's really basic like like some Tom Petty last dance right so I can I can I can handle that one. You know what I mean all right look anyways alright radio. I hope you enjoyed this episode. This live edition one of the The awesome and soon to be empire of media And blockchain at least and that is with also future co host. Ashley Meredith. Everybody yeah you remember her. She is leading the blockchain future of education. And I'm really proud of our really proud to know her Ashra Allston. Thank you for coming on tonight at the world. And you're always welcome on the show. Jim Thanks for helping me out making me. Look kind of cool. Jimmy Jimmy Fallon behind you. You Make Jim look really cool so until the next time Jim you WANNA wait his out. I always mess it up. I well crypto versus. You know the space belongs belongs to all of us. We know Joe Blackburn's doing we know most belts doing what do you do and it's all our responsibility to that boy all right everybody W._D._C.. Were bitcoin lives.