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Introducing: Supernatural With Ashley Flowers

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

01:25 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: Supernatural With Ashley Flowers

"In nineteen O. Seven three year old. Dorothy fell down a flight of stairs and was declared dead by the family doctor. An hour later she was alive and completely ignored but she spoke with a strange foreign accent and she kept insisting that she wanted to go home to ancient Egypt ever since they were children identical twins June and Jennifer. Gibbons refuse to speak to anyone except each other. They both believed that if one twin wanted to live a normal life and communicate with the world the other would have to die then at the age of Twenty Nine. Jennifer died suddenly for no apparent reason and a few days later. June said in clear. English I'm free at last. Jennifer has given her life for me. I'm Ashley Flowers host of the podcast crime junkie. There's nothing I love more than piecing together a good mystery on my new show supernatural. I'm teaming up with podcast to explore a different kind of cold case where the most fitting theory isn't the most rational one. Join me every Wednesday as I searched for the truth about unexplained events from unsolved crimes to alien abductions supernatural with Ashley. Flowers is a podcast original. And you can find it for free on spotify.

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THE UNKNOWN: Bigfoot

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

03:02 min | 3 months ago

THE UNKNOWN: Bigfoot

"Stories about your foes resonate with a lot of people and it's obvious why they reveal something about what makes us human if we ever meet an alien put our existence into context. It would mean. We're not the only intelligent creatures in the universe but we haven't met any other intelligent species yet and maybe it's because we're looking in the wrong place. We keep searching for answers in outer space. But maybe what we're seeking is right here in our own backyard. Lots of people have spotted strange hairy human like creatures wandering through the pacific northwest. Yeah on talking about bigfoot and if these apes exist they're probably our closest genetic relatives on earth they might finally reveal something about humanity's place in the world all we have to do is make contact after all. We definitely know. Something's out there because we have the video footage to prove it This is supernatural a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host. Ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. And if you like what. You're hearing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This week i am talking about the so called missing. Link called bigfoot or sasquatch paranormal enthusiasts believed that this part human part ape like creature lives somewhere in the pacific northwest. And that's not baseless speculation. There is solid hard evidence that it exists as in indisputable video footage and footprints with some people still insist. The creature isn't real. And maybe that's because the government is suppressing. The little bit of hard evidence that we have. I'll talk about all of that coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f one fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of best in class onboard power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair electric heater. And even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new twenty twenty one ford f one fifty. Tough this smart.

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INTRODUCING: Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

Crime Junkie

02:20 min | 1 year ago

INTRODUCING: Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

"High crime junkies flowers here with probably one of the biggest announcements. I have made a long time. I've got all your DM's an email saying that you love Crime Junkie and you wish there was more than one episode a week. Well Merry Christmas in March because I have teamed up with podcast to bring you another weekly mystery. Show called Supernatural hosted by me. But we're talking mysteries with a little bit of a twist. The kind of mysteries that last the ages and you really have to put your tin foil hat on to understand. We're talking conspiracies. Ufo's and all things paranormal. I can't get enough of stories like this and I know you can't either. There are two episodes available right now. Just search supernatural on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. And here's what you can expect in nineteen o seven three year old. Dorothy fell down a flight of stairs and was declared dead by the family doctor. An hour later she was alive and completely uninjured but she spoke with a strange foreign accent and she kept insisting that she wanted to go home to ancient Egypt ever since they were children identical twins June and Jennifer. Gibbons refuse to speak to anyone except each other. They both believed that if one twin one to live a normal life and communicate with the world the other would have to die then at the age of Twenty Nine. Jennifer died suddenly for no apparent reason and a few days later. June said in clear. English I'm free at last. Jennifer has given up her life for me. I'm Ashley Flowers host of the podcast crime junkie. There's nothing I love more than piecing together a good mystery on my new show supernatural. I'm teaming up with Parkas to explore a different kind of cold case where the most fitting theory isn't the most rational one. Join me every Wednesday as I search for the truth about unexplained events from unsolved crimes to alien abductions supernatural with Ashley. Flowers is a podcast original. And you can find it for free on spotify.

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MYSTICAL: Rasputin

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

38:00 min | 8 months ago

MYSTICAL: Rasputin

"In the early nineteen hundreds a mysterious hill grump from Siberia became the closest friend and advisor to Russia's last royal family. This was Grigori. Rasputin, and by nineteen ten, every nobleman peasant in Russia had heard of him some said, he was gifted by God. With healing and prophetic powers others swore he was the devil incarnate. One hundred years later, the rumors about Rasputin are still as wild and conflicting as when he was alive but as for his death, that might be the biggest mystery of all. This is supernatural apart cast original and I'm your host Ashley Flowers every Wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify and if you like what you're hearing, reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at the network this week we're talking about Grigori rescue in the centuries since his death his name still brings up more questions than answers even facts that can be agreed on only seen to unravel more and more riddles about his mystical powers. We'll have all that and more coming up stay with us. In nineteen O seven inside the. Alexander. Palace in Saint Petersburg Russia three-year-old Alexi. The son of Czar Nicholas the second is sick. Since birth he has suffered from haemophilia, which is a condition where someone's blood has difficulty clotting, and on this particular day Alexi had fallen and had a hemorrhage in his leg and he was in excruciating pain. The CZARINA Alexandra is beside herself and what mother wouldn't be her little boy is literally bleeding to. Death before her eyes and the doctors have done everything they can think of to save him finally. ZARINA gets an idea she sends for the one person. She can think of who might still be able to help Grigori Rasputin it's unclear how long it takes for rescue to get there but eventually he walks in and stands next to Alexis bed and probably make the sign of a cross like most Orthodox Russians would do then he prays. I'm not sure what he prayed or whether it was even out loud. But by the time he's done a Lexi's totally calm and the swelling seems to have stopped the next morning he is completely back to normal, which is pretty astounding because before Putin arrived the situation seemed hopeless and we should mention that there is no cure for hemophilia I mean even to this very day. So basically, this guy just performed a miracle as far as we know, this is one of the first visits. Be, first visit where spewing heels Alexi, and over the next few years, he will do it again and again. This wasn't just some magic trick either supposedly Rasputin always had mystical powers they began when he was just a child growing up in a tiny village in western Siberia. Siberia is basically rushes no-man's-land and most of the people there were peasant farmers, Rasputin himself was the son of a farmer. But unlike most families, he's an only child as far as we know, rescues mother gave birth to a total of eight children and he was the only one who lived past early childhood. Now, child mortality was pretty common back then but the fact that Rasputin was the only one out of eight to survive. It made him seem kind of special like he had some innate strength or ability to cheat death. This becomes even more clear when rescuers eight years old he and his cousin Dmitry goes swimming and they get dragged into a current eventually they make it out. Okay. But both of them develop pneumonia, which is basically a death sentence back then Dmitri two years older ends up dying, but Rasputin miraculously recovers. Then when Rasputin twelve something else happens, that is even more bizarre. He's battling a high fever and things don't look so good. As. He's lying in bed some local villagers come by the House for a visit they start talking with Russ, Putin's father about a recent horse that which was a really serious crime little respite in over. Here's their conversation and in his feverish delirium, he points to one of the visitors and says, it's him. He's the one who stole the Horse. Is weirded out but at least two of the other men are suspicious enough to follow that guy home and sure enough big catch him trying to move the stolen horse. Now to be fair, this story is village hearsay that circulates once Rasputin gets famous. But in any case, it follows him well into adulthood. Meanwhile, ESPN grows into a tall young man with a dark beard and penetrating green is you've probably seen a picture of these is they're huge and deep set. It looks like he's trying to peer into your soul and the villagers claim rescue actually could as a young man, he knew things about the villagers private things, things that only a psychic or mind reader would know. They talked about Rasputin Ability to tame wild horses and throughout his life it said that Rasputin can heal animals simply by touching them. Some villagers think he's been blessed by God divine powers, others to the opposite extreme saying he's made a deal with the devil which brings up another point rescued and has a definite dark side. Town records show that as a young man he was charged with several offenses of petty theft drunkenness and being rude to town officials. There's even a rumor that he stole horses, but it's not in the town record so we can't be sure. Either way he's no saint but things take a sharp turn in eighteen, Ninety, seven, the year respite interns twenty eight. At. This point he's married to another peasant the story itself is a little unclear but according to a book by reputations daughter Maria her father was working in the fields one day when the Virgin Mary appeared to him. Mary points toward the horizon and Rasputin interprets this as instructions to be a spiritual pilgrim up. He spends the rest of the night alone next to an icon of Mary and when he wakes up tears are streaming from her face according to biography by Smith Rasputin here's a voice say I am weeping for the sins of mankind Gregori go wonder and cleanse the people of their sins. Of course, we have to take Rasputin word that this even happened but he immediately gives Up. Drinking Smoking and eating meat and he becomes strategic sort of religious pilgrim. This isn't uncommon in Russia by one thousand, nine, hundred there about a million pilgrims wandering the countryside, their spiritual quests or widely respected provided they seem sincere and rescued and seemed very sincere. He's taken in by many monasteries and a lot of these monks and priests are impressed by him Rasputin. Speaks with the sort of insight and Gravitas that scene in priests with way more life experience than him. By the early nineteen hundreds, he has a small group of followers but some of the other villagers are getting a little suspicious for one. He's constantly stroking and kissing the females around him. He claims that it's a sign of brotherly love. Rumors about him having sex with some of them as well as women he's met along his pilgrimages rescued even digs a cave under his father's Stables for his little group to meet together which I mean. It's kind of weird and secretive and neighbors say that they overhear strange religious songs and we're not talking about the usual Orthodox ones. There are whispers that his followers are practicing bizarre rituals like whipping and these, and there's even a rumor that Rasputin has to female followers bathe him before each meeting. All of this together is enough to make the other villagers wonder if I spewed isn't really who he says he is a holy man of Orthodox faith. They start to wonder if he's really part of a secret colt known as the Class D. Up Next will investigate the possibility that Rasputin was Christie. Hi listeners, there's a new spotify original from podcast. You do not want to miss. It's called very presidential with Ashley. Flowers, and it uncovers the most damning details. Surrounding history's most high-profile leaders. Every Tuesday through the two thousand twenty election host. 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There were about one hundred, thousand members of these religious colts in Russia despite the fact that they were illegal, they always met in out of the way places like basements and cellars where they reportedly engaged in unorthodox rituals like self-flagellation and orgies they were also known for practicing whirling dances were they would work themselves into a religious. Frenzy, the cliff St. were even said to cut off the breast of a naked burgeon and eat it together before watching her have sex they called the Virgin, the mother of God and her partner. Christ Klis ST members also didn't drink or smoke two things Rasputin himself had given up his daughter Maria even claim that her father looked into the Christie religion but she says he never joined. Throughout rescue life their investigations into whether he's a clarity but none of them turn up definitive evidence either way these rumors are floating around the village lending a much darker meaning to rescue tin's mystical powers. then. Sometime around nineteen o four rescued and leaves his village to go on another one of his pilgrimages this time he visits a city called Khazanah and the people there love him before I go further, I should mention that is a weird time for Russia there have been peasant uprisings and whispers of a revolution all in all Russia's upper class is getting nervous. It's actually this uncertainty mixed with everyday boredom that makes a lot of aristocrat interested in spiritual alternatives like the cold or telepathy. So, whoever Rasputin is and whatever powers he has, he's basically arrived at the perfect moment. Aristocrats don't care that he's a literal peasant from Siberia who smells bad and has terrible table manners. It's actually part of his charm. Rasputin stares at them for a long time before he speaks and when he opens his mouth, he shocks them with such personal insight. It feels like he's seen into their souls. One man claims Rasputin cured his wife of insanity simply by talking to her before long the entire city is talking about Putin calling him a prophet and a healer. But they're also gossiping about his sex life. One woman says Rasputin coerced her into sleeping in the same bed just to prove they could resist temptation together and supposedly he'd been luring young women into bath houses and then taking their virginity. These rumors get back to a local priest named Father Gavril. He Confronts Rasputin, and of course, Rasputin denies that he's done anything wrong but he doesn't stop there. Supposedly Rasputin warns Father Gavril to watch out for a young monk at his monastery and a few days. Later, that same monk tries to attack of real with a knife. After this, he is convinced that respite has the gift of Prophecy Gabriel is even willing to recommend him to other church leaders, which means rescuers ready to move on to bigger and better place. It's namely Saint Petersburg. Rescue arrives in Saint Petersburg sometime in late nineteen. Oh, four or one, thousand, nine, hundred, five. At this point. He's calling himself a star, which is basically a self appointed elder in the Orthodox Church right away. He makes friends with prominent clergymen including a guy named Bishop Sergei supposedly Sergei invites respite in to hang out with himself and three other bishops as they're talking respite and makes three prophecies. He says that one of the bishops is going to have a hernia soon, another will lose his mother and the third is about to have a child out of wedlock. Now, these are pretty serious predictions to make especially to a group of influential Orthodox priests, but allegedly all three prophecies come true. In any case, the story gets around Saint Petersburg. Before long people are inviting respite into their houses. So they can hear him talk and experience has mystical powers firsthand. There's not a ton of eyewitness accounts, but one is from a married aristocrat named Olga. Latina before she met Rasputin Latina suffered from chronic intestinal disease but she claims he cured her simply by praying for her which brings up another important point. Most of our students followers are aristocrat females, they gathering parlor rooms to hear him preach about sin and the power of love he speaks to them using the personal form of the word you in Russian instead of the formal version, and then supposedly they're so infatuated by him that he will literally lick his fingers and then hold them out for the ladies to kiss. Then, in November of nineteen o five, win rescued is thirty six years old. So mutual friend introduce him to czar Nicholas the second and his wife, the CZARINA Alexandra. Nothing too remarkable happens at this first meeting except the Romanovs really like Rasputin I should mention that these are pretty down to Earth Monarchs Nicholas spends most of his time with his family and away from his duties as emperor which most people interpret as his being out of touch with Russia's problems in any case. Nicholas and Alexandra think breast Butin is a refreshing change from court life. They perceive his flattery as a representation of Russia's peasants everywhere, which makes them feel better about their wavering popularity with the common people. There's even a letter from Rasputin to Nicholas dated four days after their first meeting. In it rescue alludes to some recent worker strikes and he encourages bizarre not to flee the country for Safety Rasputin says will protect the imperial family. This was pretty bold advice and we'll never know just how much nicholas paid attention to it but his art does decide to stay in Russia and over the next two years he in Alexandra meet with Rasputin several more times they never seem to mention Alexis Hemophilia bill which makes sense considering that his condition at that time was honestly a huge secret no one outside of the family in the palace is allowed to know about it. Rescued probably doesn't find out until the fall of nineteen, O, seven, three year old. Falls and has a serious hemorrhage. Rescue is brought in as a last resort probably because these arena had heard about his reputation as a healer and sure enough rest beauty prayers seemed to miraculously heal the. Zara which this first healing is actually recorded in a letter by bizarre. Nicholas the second sister, the Grand Duchess. Olga Alexandrovna. She famously disliked in and said, he asked too many personal questions but despite this Olga always agreed that Rasputin had special powers. One of ZARINA's ladies in waiting had a different theory. She believed Rasputin used folk medicine to heal. Alexi. But there's no evidence that Rasputin ever actually administered anything. Yet another theory though is that rescued in harnessed a special technique known as animal magnetism. Now, animal magnetism is a weird idea that started floating around in the eighteenth century and the scientists if he it best but it does suggest that Rasputin could have been using a variation on hypnosis to help. Alexi. Regardless Alexis recovery. Seals mutants with the Romanovs. The czar in Zarina trust him completely and they begin to rely on him as sort of a spiritual advisor. They even give and unlimited access to their palace through a side entrance and he spends a lot of time playing with their children in the nursery. The whole family refers to rescue as our friend. And if that's not weird enough Rasputin, calls, Nicholas and Alexandra Papa and Mama but the children's nurse Sophia thinks something is off she says, Rasputin sometimes visits Alexi and his four older sisters right as they're getting ready for bed. The two oldest girls are twelve and fourteen. So already seems a little creepy and supposedly Rasputin sits on the children's beds and caresses them. I'm not sure how sinister these caresses are but it's written down in a letter from Czar Nicholas his sister Zenia who seems pretty concerned. But Nicholas and Alexandra both dismiss it. It's not like they think Rasputin is perfect. They just don't believe that he would ever do something bad to their family still the nursery gossip leaks to the press and it becomes a national scandal. It doesn't help that rescue already has a reputation outside of the palace as a womanizer. There's rumors he's having orgies with his chemo acolytes and the Saint Petersburg police notice a lot of sex workers going in and out of his apartment. Politicians are concerned that associating with Rasputin is making czar more unpopular than he already is and one of these issues prime minister a man named. Pure. Stolypin. Eventually stolypin decides to cut to the chase and meet with Rasputin himself but when he goes to talk to him supposedly beauty and tried to hypnotize the prime minister. So and claims the mystic looked him up and down and started mumbling articulately. Part of it sounded like scripture but the rest was indecipherable rescue also made weird movements with his hands but just what kind of movements these words Stolypin didn't say like most stories about Rasputin, we have no way of knowing if this one's true, but it's more evidence that Rasputin powers might have been some kind of hypnotism. In any case, it doesn't work. stolypin keeps pressuring the czar to something about rescue and in February of Nineteen. Eleven Nicholas Finally Sends Rasputin out of the country on an indefinite pilgrimage to the holy lands supposedly, the plan is to keep him there until the scandal blows over then they'll bring him back. A few months later stolypin assassinated by a revolutionary now that he's not around to oppose them the Romanovs Bring Rasputin home even though the scandal is still brewing. Then in nineteen twelve, another miracle happens and this time there's no way that rescued could've used hypnosis. Apparently bizarre in Arenas Family Ron vacation in Poland when Alexi developed a hemorrhage in his upper leg and growing. By, the seven day the doctors had given up all hope a priest administered the last sacrament and the palace began arranging. Funeral. Doctors family everyone was convinced that he would die now I'm not sure why Alexandra waited this long but she finally sends a telegram to rest Butin? Who is away visiting his family and rescue and response immediately according to different accounts. His telegram basically says God has senior tears and heard your prayers don't be sad. The little boy will not die. Don't let the doctors torment him too much. The next morning there doesn't seem to be a change, but the following day Alexis bleeding stops and he makes a full recovery no hypnosis, no folk medicine nothing but Reston's telegram. To be fair arena, herself may have been responsible after she received respite telegram she began acting like everything would be fine. So it's possible. Alexi saw his mother's renewed confidence and that had the same sort of soothing effect on him as hypnosis. It's also possible that Alexandra followed recipes advice and didn't let the Doctors Bother Alexi for all. We know they might have been administering aspirin, which is unknown blood thinner, and by putting a stop to it, a Lexi's blood might have finally been able to clocked. Another flare-up happens three years later on December Fifth Nineteen fifteen, it's recorded by Zarina's lady-in-waiting, Anna? This time Rasputin does visit in person, but he's only there for a matter of minutes or even seconds he simply makes the sign of the cross over Alexi tells the czars arena not to worry and leaves hours later, Alexi stops bleeding. Again, this arena could have been the one responsible but this time there's a more glaring. Rescue might not have actually healed Alexi at all the lady in waiting might have gotten the date. Wrong. You see a diary entry by Nicholas written the next day December sixth. He claims that Rasputin had just visited Alexi that day, which is after he was healed not on the fifth when he was still bleeding this is important because it gets back to the main issue with Rasputin. Everything. We know about him is total hearsay at any given time. Someone could have written the wrong date or repeated some misinformation or even embellished what they saw. Nowhere, is this exaggeration more obvious than in what the average Russian was saying about Rasputin his sexual behavior has mystical powers and his weird closeness to the Romanovs made him the scapegoat for basically everything going wrong in Russia people accused him of being a political usurper who was using his evil powers to manipulate the czar and ruin. Russia. He was nicknamed the mad monk and the Holy Devil and people truly believe that rescue and the arena were sleeping together and that the czar was too stupid to figure it out. These rumors got even more crazy in nineteen sixteen when Nicholas goes away to fight World War One in his absence Alexandra becomes the acting empress. I should mention that Alexandra herself is German, it's literally her first cousin Emperor Ville Ham the second that her husband is fighting against. So immediately, Russians accuse her and Rasputin of colluding with. Germany. There were rumors of a Radio Telegraph machine in the palace that they used to send messages to the enemy and poems and cartoons depict Rasputin using his ability to manipulate Alexandra into following his advice. In reality, the empress was making some very unpopular political decisions and rest beauty probably was dropping in his two cents wherever he felt like it but there's never been any evidence of espionage. Either way the mass hysteria over respite and reaches a fever pitch, and so over the top that every peasant politician and nobleman wants him dead. But Rasputin would be almost impossible to kill. Coming up the mystery of our spoons death. Let's get back to the story. Most of what you're about to hear comes from an autobiography by Prince Felix USA pop, who's the ringleader of respirators, assassins and the husband of Czar Nicholas. The seconds niece Irina Yusupov claimed to have been acquainted with rescue as far back as nineteen o nine, and he says that at one of their first meetings respite an offer to cure him from his chronic fatigue Rasputin bragged quote I can cure anyone for I work in God's own way with devine remedies and not with ordinary drugs and quote. So US above lies down on a sofa and Rice Butin runs his hands over his chest neck and head the whole time Rasputin seems to be muttering a prayer. Gradually, use POB feels sort of this warm current seeping through his body. He realizes that he's gone completely numb and he's unable to talk when he tries to move. He can't. It's almost like he's been drugged eventually rescued says that's enough and just like that use a pods able to move and talk again. Now, from the way, USA POB tells this story. It sounds like he hated it but he also says he visits Rasputin several more times for healing. It's not totally clear whether his chronic fatigue ever disappears completely. But USA POV is convinced that Rasputin harnesses some sort of dark supernatural power by nineteen. Sixteen. Yusupov. Hates rescue as much as any other Russian he things Rasputin is manipulating Alexandra and he believes that by killing Rasputin he can help save the. Empire. So he and several other accomplices come up with a plan on the night of December Twenty Ninth Nineteen Sixteen Yusupov Invites Rasputin to his home in Saint Petersburg. He claims he wants Rasputin to meet his wife Irina who is renowned beauty. Yusupov Ushers Rasputin into his basement, and there's a table with crumpled Napkins half full platters of food and open bottles of wine and Yusupov basically says like Oh my wife just had a party. She's upstairs with some guests. She's GonNa. Be here any minute at this point in rest Putin's life he's no longer abstaining from alcohol. So he downs several glasses of wine and if you cakes while they're waiting now what he doesn't know is everything is laced with cyanide. So Rasputin should be dead in a matter of minutes but to use a apart amazement, he seems totally fine. Minutes pass and eventually Rasputin gives him a look that says according to USA POV quote you're wasting your time you can't do anything to me and quote. This freaks USA POB out but Rasputin quickly changes the subject to something lighthearted. Finally at about two thirty, a M Yusupov makes up an excuse to go upstairs where his accomplices are waiting. He borrows one of their revolvers and when he comes back down US above tells Rasputin to look over at Crucifix and say prayer. Then, he shoots him in the chest. Instantly butte and crumples to the floor. The other assassins rush into the room and one of them. A Doctor Pronounces Rasputin debt. They leave his body in the basement for a while until eventually USA pop decides to go back and check on him. Now, this story is already far fetched, but it gets even crazier use a pov says he found Rasputin Lang exactly where they'd left him in a fit of anger he grabs. Rasputin slim shoulders and shakes him. But to his surprise Rasputin is open, he jumps to his feet and tackles Yusupov US above somehow manages to break free and he runs upstairs to alert his friends. They all raise back down to the basement and and open door into the courtyard. In the distance they see Rasputin stumbling through the snow one of the assassins, a politician named Vladimir periscope rich pulls out his revolver and shoots. A bullet hits Rasputin in the back and another strikes his forehead at which point Rasputin falls over. Once again, the doctor confirms he's dead. The assassins buying rescuers, arms, and legs wrap him in his for coat and put his body in the car. They then dried to the Great Petrovsky Bridge and throw reputations corpse into the mall enough ca river it doesn't take long for rescues me to report that he never came home that night and on January first his body is discovered rosen the riverbank but here's where things get even more weird. If you look at a picture of Rasputin Corpse, the cord that's binding his wrists together has been ripped. It's dangling from one arm as though he tore it off also both of his arms or clearly reaching upward looking like he died while trying to break through the ice. There's even a myth that there was water in rest butin lungs meaning that he'd survived the poison survived three gunshot wounds the blistering cold actually died from drowning but supposedly the autopsy reported finding no water in his lungs although the report itself has been lost. Naturally. There are a lot of conspiracies about Rasputin, death. The most likely is that Yusupov was exaggerating about how hard it was to kill. Rasputin he could have easily been trying to aggrandize himself after all he had killed the most unpopular man in Russia. It's worth noting though that Yusupov Vladimir wrote separate accounts of the assassination for the most part they both matched up. So they did decide to embellish they at least got their stories straight. But to me the craziest part of Putin's murder isn't so much how he died. It's that Rasputin actually predicted it and not just his debt he prophesied that the entire Romanov family would die to. Respond wrote his last letter to the Romanovs early December nineteen sixteen just weeks before his death. There's some dispute about this but it's rumored that the letter said quote. I feel that I shall leave life before. January. I if it was your relations who have wrought my death then no one of your family that is to say none of your children or relations will remain alive for more than two years they will be killed by the Russian people I shall be killed I am no longer among the living. and quote. Nearly everything Rasputin predicts happens he dies on December thirtieth two days before January first, he's killed by a relative of the czar and less than two years. Later, the czars immediate family is murdered by Russian revolutionaries although many of his relations including Prince Yusupov survived CEO you will about Grigori Rasputin, but his prophecies were almost dead on. Nowadays Rasputin and seen as more of a pop culture icon a crazy peasant who duped the Romanovs for power and fame, and who made some lucky guesses along the way. But about his strange powers, why did rescue predict a recovery time after time when everyone else was certain, he would die and why did he risk exposing himself as a fraud unless he wasn't one after all Reston's body was zoomed and burned not long after burial. So any chance of examining that evidence is gone. In the end, all were left with our letters and stories, and when you piece altogether, you wind up right back where you started looking at a one hundred year old Russian mystery. Things for listening I'll be back next week. With another episode you can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts all in one place. They're making it easier to listen to whatever you WanNa hear for free on your phone computer or Smart Speaker. and. If you like this show follow at podcast cast on facebook and instagram and at podcast network on twitter. 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The Hound

Full Body Chills

18:54 min | 1 year ago

The Hound

"This episode of Full Body chills is brought to you by simply safe really new to the show when I knew I need an alarm system there was only one company name eight four seven professional monitoring and they make it easy on you with no contract and no you've got nothing to lose go now and be sure you go to simplisafe dot com nurse this is Ashley Flowers and I wanNa tell you a story a story about uh I don't know if I was probably exacerbated by the fact that both of my parents were allergic which meant that finally March right into a pet shop or shelter or wherever and pick out the one I wanted asks hoping that one day one of them would be mine because I had unlimited which dog or a small dog short hair long hair boxer bulldog dash at how Doberman finally looked like a weird alien animal from some of the planet which for some reason maybe want one even more painting and art as a way to express myself I would often go back to the pet store he pulled out one of the Greyhound puppies for me to play within the little meet and greet room I think he elite was there just for the dog I was obsessed I like candles or hot pots I also found out so I spent another four years on to put their foot down about having a pet in the house so I couldn't argue with them they're on the least till either were waiters at restaurants or worked as brief as a coffee shops so on this day was me down with a carton of milk when I hear the doorbell ring and this is weird like I was about to head back inside when I hear this whimpering to my left house instantly my body filled with joy when I advocaat closer I realize it's not just any dog so I- scooped up this dog in my arms cradling it against my body auge was badly hurt and it looks like one of its legs were severely broken my same name as my goldfish team believe it and this seems like a strange coincidence this is spotted a strange dark figure heading toward me down the street Ed. I shuffled inside before the figure could reach the house maneuvering my hand I play school on the floor gingerly then quickly double locked the door Dalla behind me and instantly everything else disappeared from my brain my natural at this point I could tell that Goldie was a girl and my heart burst I had always pets into the house we'd even voted on it three to one one night when I tried take a little crazily I mean I'll admit it the cat was clearly like flea bitten for everyone got home so I gathered Goldie in my arms again promising I was going to take it's as soon as Goldie was settled amongst my paints I dashed around the House Stockpiling Aura Leftover bowl of rice when the doorbell rang I felt tingles unheard of which is why exercised a certain amount of caution rather than aw there was the same dark figure on my front step long hair and an even longer dark trench coat I had no doubt her a few seconds went by and then he pounds on the door with his fist in walks off the property without another word I finally was able back in the kitchen I decide I can't feed Goldie any of the stuff that I have that means herbs so I gather my hair into gun and I decided to throw on a bunch of trenchcoats over and listen I shouldn't have been scared it's like brightly lit outside icy no one and his messing dog answers to Goldie and then there's a photo of Goldie Mike Position I don't know what to do I mean part of me still thinks that man is terrifying the guilt was just too much for me so I take out my cellphone and begin to dial deciding going to return her the phone rings and rings I'm calling about the missing dog and the voice on the other end of the phone starts to little kid and finally having the pet of your dreams only for it to run away and disappear like who was Ida for I tell him that I have Goldie in my car and I can bring her wherever he wants addicts slowly knowing that these were my last moments with Goldie and couldn't be happy with me when I finally reached the landing to the attic I am close to tears an hour later I'm sitting in front of the House that corresponds to the address I was given you just can't police it I tell Goldie that I'll never forget her and then inch shaven man wearing a simple pair of blue jeans he's younger than I expected I guess no one I can place again this house is kind of in my old neighborhood maybe he's someone that I runs into the next room I asked the man where his son is because I wanted to see regretful that I even came at all like should I just kept Goldie for myself this little place I'm interrupted in the middle of my thoughts when the man asked if I wanna see gold these puppies aw I nod my head vigorously and he smiles something about his the man gestures from a follow him and I do the house isn't that big and one on my left and one on my right I was looking for boldy I wanted to catch one more glimpse of her first step what I saw in those rooms finally registers like the man who followed Goldie before I can do anything the man shoves they try to pull myself onto my feet before I can even open my mouth to cry for help is duct tape covers my mouth and he's thrown back on the ground myself into this situation I can't see anything at the landing it's just his shadow until he throws on the light switch breath and suddenly I see it I don't know how I didn't see it before duct tape and he sees the recognition senses my fear join closer to where I still lay on the floor in that moment that how he feels I as long as I've wanted a dog you like to read the full story you can go to our website full body chills podcast. 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Introducing Very Presidential with Ashley Flowers!

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

14:15 min | 8 months ago

Introducing Very Presidential with Ashley Flowers!

"Hi Everyone. It's Ashley and I am thrilled to tell you about a fantastic new podcast. Original I'm hosting called, very presidential, every Tuesday through the twenty twenty election. I'm exposing the most badly behaved presidents in history serving up an unfiltered shocking glimpse at what really went on in the White House from Love Affairs and all night raiders to blackmail schemes and excessive drug use I am dishing on the personal and professional controversies. You may never have known existed these dirty little secrets are a lot wilder than anything you learned in history class and the scariest part is they're all true. Check out this exclusive clip from our first episode on the many many exploits of President John F.. Kennedy if you WANNA, listen to the full episode, follow very presidential with Ashley Flowers Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, guys, I'm Ashley Flowers, and if you've heard my podcast crime junkie or supernatural, you might know me as a true crime lover. But there's another interest of mine that I'm excited to share with you guys and depending on who were talking about. There's even a little true crime esque in there too. If you grew up in the US, you probably grew up with this image of the former presidents as these serious dignified, insanely boring old who never had any fun in their lives and there's a reason. This is all the history books. Tell us because the truth is, well, it's embarrassing for the country and almost too wild to believe the White House has been full of scandals. Drama an even a little bit of true crime from the very beginning and the more you learn about what was really going on in the Oval Office. The more you'll have to wonder how did we make it this far? welcomed. Very presidential, apar- cast original in this podcast, I'm going to be looking at fifteen presidents who would be on the Mount Rushmore of bad behavior and today I'm starting off with one of the most beloved presidents in American History John. Fitzgerald Kennedy in less than three years. JFK was involved in more scandals than most people can hope for a lifetime. He basically turned the. The White House into the playboy mansion accidentally slept with not one. But two spies met with foreign leaders in a drug addled Hayes and nearly started a nuclear war because he wanted to look good in the press for decades. The public didn't have a clue about any of this. But the facts we have now call into question everything we thought we knew about the Kennedys. John. F. Kennedy, was a Rockstar at forty, three years old. He was the youngest president ever elected and arguably the hottest. Every woman in America was swooning over his boyish good looks. Toss alled hair and casual self confidence, and even though the Kennedys are one of the richest families in America, he was seen as sort of an underdog, he was the first. President ever elected, which was a big deal for the Irish Catholic community more than anything Jack as his friends called, him was a breath of fresh air. He was young energetic, a family man, his wife Jackie was already becoming a fashion icon. His brother Bobby was appointed as the new attorney general, which let's say was a bit of a controversial choice, but love them or hate them. The Kennedys were America's new royalty. Of course, though that image was carefully crafted. Even, after his death, the Kennedy family went to extreme lengths to hide anything that might compromise Jack's reputation. And there was a lot lot. Let's start with that youthful vigor. That was one of his main selling points. Just fifteen years before in nineteen forty-five, FDR had died in office after a long period of illness. So. was worried that the same thing might happen again, which is why throughout the nineteen sixty campaign jack insisted that he was in perfect health, but this was a complete lie JFK's health problems are no longer a big secret today, but most historians till kind of tend to skim over how serious they actually were and what he did to cope with them. It's literally a miracle that Jack was still alive to be president at age forty, three, I mean he'd been extremely deathly ill, his entire life he'd actually been so close to dying that he had his last rites administered on four separate occasions. He was eventually diagnosed with Colitis, which is this chronic disease of the large intestine, and he also had Addison's disease which causes hormone deficiencies, and as a side effect of the steroids that he had to take. He had back problems that caused him to be in constant pain. Now, none of this sounds too serious in terms of how it affects someone's decision making I, mean shirts distracting to be in pain all the time, but he was still mentally sound, right. Well. He would have been. But to deal his pain, Jack was taking basically every drug known to Pharmacology I. Mean, we're talking morphine sedatives, barbiturates, narcotics. He was even on four kinds of steroids daily including anabolic steroids, and that's the same kind athletes use for muscle building, and they're known to cause paranoia mania an aggression after long term use. Essentially, if Jack had to take a drug test, he would have been fired from any government job and. And probably referred to a Rehab Center and yet here he was with his finger on the nuclear button making decisions that would affect the entire glow. Now, a lot of biographers insists that Jack's health problems and medications didn't have any effect on his leadership, but psychiatrist Naseer Gami. Who Review Jacks medical files said that claim was hard to accept biologically especially when you look at his actual behavior in office, which was an endless parade of disasters. On Day three in the white. House. Before he even had time to settle in, Jack, got a visit from the director. There was one little thing that needed the president's attention. The CIA had been training a guerilla army to invade Cuba and overthrow the government. The US wasn't a fan of Cuba's prime, minister. Fidel. Castro because he was a socialist and this was the Cold War. But Jack, wasn't totally convinced that staging a coup was the best answer mostly because if anyone tied it back to the US, it'd be a whole. Whole, international crisis, but the CIA says listen don't worry about it. We're going to invade. Yes. But it's not gonna look like an invasion. We've recruited over a thousand Cuban rebel fighters for the job. So we play our cards, right? No one had any idea that the US was ever involved. So Jack says, okay, fine. Let's let's do it. But just to be extra sure that it doesn't fall back on. US. US, forces are not allowed to participate in the invasion at all in any way shape or form ever the end. But. The fifteen hundred Cuban guerrillas send him on their own with no backup and let's just see what happens, and of course, what happens is a complete disaster. When the invasion takes place on April seventeenth guerrilla fighters barely make it onto shore a hundred and eighteen of them or killed over three hundred or wounded, and the rest are all captured and not only does the bay. Of Pigs invasion fail miserably. But it's obvious that the US was behind it. The biggest consequence for Jack is he kind of looks like a bumbling idiot both at home and abroad, everyone's worst fears were confirmed. Maybe JFK is just a pretty face and he's too young and too inexperienced to actually lead. The next Jack is meeting with a couple advisors in the Oval Office when he suddenly breaks off mid-sentence and walks out into the Rose Garden, he spends an hour just walking around silently by himself. The next morning, his press secretary finds him crying in his bedroom, and then over the next few days, he keeps muttering to himself. How could I have been so stupid. Of course, it might have had something to do with the FBI storage lockers, worth of drugs that he was taking, and despite all the meds, his underlying conditions were only getting worse in fact, just a month later in May of nineteen, sixty one he threw out. Out His back during a tree planting ceremony. I mean, so bad that he couldn't even walk. This was a problem because in a couple of weeks, he was supposed to fly to Europe to meet the Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev in the Cold War perception was everything. He couldn't show up hobbling around on crutches. He'd look like a weakling in front of the whole world press. So he decided to call this guy doctor, Max? Jacobsen. Doctor Jacobson was sort of a mad scientists slash doctor to the stars. He treated everyone who's anyone and he had this miracle shot that gave his patients so much energy and euphoria that the actually cold him. Dr Feelgood, which just as an aside, maybe never go to someone called Dr. feelgood. So with this summit coming up Jack Invites Dr Feelgood to the White House without consulting any of his regular doctors after one injection Jack is practically leaping across the room without his crutches heels on top of the world clear-headed. No pain. So he even ask Dr Jacobson to come with him to Europe. In case he needs another fix. So you're probably asking what was actually in these magic injections mostly amphetamines. So. If you're keeping score, the president is now shooting up speed. He's on Royds, downers narcotics, and whatever else was in Dr Jacobson's shots because even today no one is totally sure what the full recipe was. But Jack said I don't care if it's horse pass, it works. The thing about amphetamines though is when they stop working, you are in a world of trouble especially if you're trying to negotiate a peace treaty with the Soviet premier. Jack arrived in Vienna for the summit. Doctor. Jacobson gave him a quick injection, and then he was off to the races. I mean, he was even described as bounding down the steps of the embassy. He looked like he could run laps around the sixty seven year old Khrushchev. But as soon as they got to talking Jack was clearly not functioning at one hundred percent. He bumbled his way through the whole afternoon without accomplishing really anything by dinnertime. Even reporters who saw Jack leading the building could tell that his energy was crashing. And by the end of the second day, well, it's To assume that he was going through withdraws because the only other explanation is that he just stripped lost his mind during their very last meeting Khrushchev threatened is up to the US to decide whether there'll be war or peace and Jack replied then Mr Chairman, there will be war, it will be a cold winter her. Now, this was the exact opposite of what the US was hoping to get out of this event. Jack. said it best himself in an interview immediately after the meeting? Worst thing in my life, he savaged me. For a minute, it looked like Khrushchev might have rhetorically beaten him to death a week or two after he gets back to the White House on June Sixteenth Jack comes down with a fever I mean he can't even get out of bed. He has to cancel all of his appointments, his doctors on red alert because when you have Addison's disease, any small infection can potentially be life threatening. So they decide to pump him full of antibiotics and steroids and narcotics even. Even more than usual, but his condition just keeps getting worse for a whole week by June, twenty second, he nearly dies all the while the press is being told that he has a mild viral infection. The public has no idea that the commander in chief is basically on his deathbed. Miraculously, Jacks health finally starts to turn around. He makes a slow but steady recovery and when the test comeback back, they all finally find out what caused this near fatal infection. Arab actor, clohessy a bacteria that outside of a hospital setting is usually sexually transmitted. So the president just almost died of an S. T. D. and the burning question pun intended is who gave it to him? Well, it's a little hard to narrow down because in his downtime between Ding international crises and shooting up enough drugs to kill racehorse. JFK was sleeping with just about every woman in the beltway. To find out what happens next follow my new series, very presidential with Ashley Flowers Free On spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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MYSTICAL: The Pollock Twins

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

35:27 min | Last month

MYSTICAL: The Pollock Twins

"The death of a loved one can feel unfair or even unnatural. We say things like gone too soon or bill always be with us because it's so hard to believe we'll never see them again especially when the deceased person is a child in nineteen fifty seven a couple named john and florence. Pollick lost both their daughters in a tragic accident. It was their worst nightmare. Come true and the politics would have done anything to have their girls back but then just one year later. Florence gave birth to twins and the similarities between them and their older sisters were uncanny suggesting that perhaps the dead aren't really gone. Maybe they're reincarnated. This is supernatural a spotify original from hard cast. I'm your host ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrences to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. This week we're looking at two cases. The pollock twins and an alaskan boy named corless chart kickin junior. In each instance. A matching birthmark might be the key to proving that reincarnation really does exist and that debt is actually only the beginning. We'll have more on the twins coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by blue apron. Dinnertime should help you. Unwind not caused more stress blue apron. Lets you unwind in the kitchen with nutritious. Chef approved recipes that feed your body. Soothe your mind and nourish your soul the best part meal. Start at just seven forty nine serving get off across your first four deliveries and de-stress with simple delicious dinners visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f one fifty is available was seven point two kilowatts of best in class on board power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair. Electric heater and even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new two thousand and twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. F one fifty explore the all new twenty twenty one f one fifty at ford dot com slash trucks slash one fifty classes full-sized pickups under eighty five hundred pounds gb wr see owner's manual for important operating instructions. If you're tuning in it's safe to assume you like stories that send chills down your spine. But only when the stories are well just stories for peace of mind consider. Adt as the leader in home security ad provides twenty four seven rapid response monitoring from their nine and call centers. So the only thing you have to worry about is the wi fi connection to keep listening. Learn more at adt dot com in nineteen forties england. A woman named florence meets a man named john pollock. The two fell in love get married and they run a grocery business and on sundays. They attend church now. John was raised in the church of england but he converts to roman catholicism with florence and presumably they both believe in the tenants of christianity like original sin baptism and heaven hell beliefs. They plan on passing down to their children in nineteen forty six four and gives birth to their first daughter. Joanna and five years later. Jacqueline is born. Joanna and jacqueline are both healthy and happy girls and like many sisters. they rarely leave each other's sides. They love to play dolls at comb each other's hair but just six years later tragedy strikes by now the family is living in the small british town of hexa. Joanna is eleven and jacqueline his six. The of them are walking to sunday school one day when suddenly a car spins into the sidewalk and crushes them both against a wall. Joanna jacqueline are killed almost instantly to make matters worse. The driver that hit them with suicidal. She didn't die but she was later. Sent to a psychiatric institute. Apparently it came out that she just lost her own. Two children in custody dispute and according to john she'd specifically singled out joanna and jacqueline on the sidewalk thinking she'd killed them as some sort of karmic retaliation. No the pollock's obviously are devastated. Despite everything his church believes about the finality of death and heaven and hell john cysts that his daughters will be reincarnated. It's not clear exactly when he begins believing this but apparently he tells it to foreigners and continues to insist like he knows he's pushing her buttons and it's honestly probably weird to him too but he can't help it he just has this feeling. Florence is a bit more practical. Of course she would do anything to have her little girls back but at a certain point they need to let go so she packs up the clothes and toys and begins to move on and in early. Nineteen fifty eight less than a year. After joanna and jacqueline's death she becomes pregnant. This riles up john. Even more he's convinced that florence is pregnant with their reincarnated daughters. And she's going to have twins foreigner doctor or like yeah right are medically impossible but given her and john's genetic histories. It's really really unlikely then on october. Fourth nineteen fifty eight a year and a half after the accident. Florence gives birth and sure enough. One baby comes out and then a second. Two twin girls the politics name them jillian and jennifer so already four inches. Like a little freaked out. Like how on earth did john predict this at the very least it feels like some sort of answer to prayer and not long after birth. They noticed something peculiar about the youngest twin jennifer. She's got a birthmark just above her nose. Which wouldn't be strange on. Its own except that jacquelyn. The younger of the two dead sisters had a scar in that exact same spot. You see at age three. She'd fallen on a bucket and got three stitches and the leftover scar. Looked exactly like jennifer's birthmark. The politics also noticed something on jennifer's left waste this one's a tiny birthmark basically a mall but it's strange because you guessed it. Jacqueline had one in the exact same spot. now john probably sees this and goes yes. There's proof the twins have to be joanna. Jacqueline but florence isn't convinced for one. The birthmarks are only on jennifer. It's not really evidence of anything and also it's got to be painful to just keep bringing up there to seize daughters in this way so around the time. The twins are born florence. And john. Not to talk about joanna and jacqueline in front of the twins. The conversation is probably something like here. We have two beautiful daughters. Let's just be grateful and start over. And as far as i know. John does shut up about the whole reincarnation thing when the twins are infants. The pollock's move out of axum to a seaside town. Called whitley bay. It's probably just the change of scenery. They need to make a fresh start but as the girls get older. John and florence noticed some odd characteristics. I it's their physical dispositions jillian. The elder twin is fairly thin. Just like joanna. The older of the deceased sisters and the younger twin jennifer is baker and stockier as was jaclyn when the girls begin walking their similarities only intensify. The older girl jillian walks with her feet turned outward. Just like joanna did. Which again could just be a coincidence. But by the time they're three years old and talking it's not just the physical stuff anymore. The twins actually start having memories about things. Only joanna and jacqueline would have known i. It's an old box of toys inside of it or two different dolls. One that belong to joanna and one that belonged to jacqueline and sure enough. Jillian claims the older sister's doll and jennifer takes the younger one. Then the twins comment that the dolls were given to them by santa claus which isn't true for them but it was true for joanna and jacqueline. This is just the first of the strange things that they remember later. When the twins are four years old the family takes a trip back to hexa. There strolling through their town on their way to a park. When jillian and jennifer start talking about a swing set. That's in the park and also a nearby school and this is before they can even see them now. The twins did live in some until they were nine months old so technically they had visited the park before and they'd probably passed the school multiple times. The lake no four. Your old remembers things from when they were nine months old. That's just unheard of to john. It's for proof that the twins aren't remembering this stuff from their own lives. He thinks the memories belonged to joanna and jacqueline before they died as the twin get older even their behavior mirrors their older sisters when they learn how to write jennifer holds her pencil incorrectly in her fist. Just like jacqueline hat and of course. There's the power dynamics. Jennifer is really dependent on her older twin gillian. She basically follows her around similar to how jacqueline had been with. Joanna end again like all of this could just be coincidence. A lot of kids hold their pencils in their fists when they're learning how to write and taking orders from your older sisters pretty normal sibling behavior. Like none of this is proof of reincarnation until one day when florence sees jennifer resting her head and jillions hands. the girls are talking and as florence listens. She realizes it's about something that they couldn't possibly have no because it was never discussed with the girls. They're talking about beat accident. That killed them coming up. The pollick twins remember their accident. you discover their practices. Seek their advice and let yourself become more vulnerable than ever before they have the ability to heal what the doctors can't or so they say hi. Listeners it's vanessa from the podcast series. Colts be sure to check out our four part special on miracle. Healers airing right now meet figures from around the world who claimed powers and pushed remedies but harboured more sinister intentions. You don't wanna miss it. And if you're looking for more episodes on the most radical and deadly groups in history tune in to colts every tuesday from jim jones and the peoples temple to charles manson and the manson family too key. Through neary and nexium. You'll uncover the unscrupulous methods used to turn bright eyed recruits in to die hard believers follow the spotify original from podcast colts. Free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcast this episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f. One fifty is available. Seven point two kilowatts of best in class on onboard power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair. Electric heater and even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new two thousand and twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. F one fifty explore the all new two thousand twenty one f one fifty at four dot com slash trucks slash one fifty classes full-sized pickups under eighty five hundred pounds gb wr see owner's manual for important operating instructions. Now back to the story when florence over. Here's the twins. They're talking about the accident as if they actually lived through it. I'm not sure. What exact words they use. Jennifer's head is laying jillions hands and as jillian looks down. She says she can see blood trickling down her face from where the car hit her. This matches up with how. Joanna and jacqueline's accident happened even though she was pronounced dead at the scene. Paramedics had put a bandage. Right above. jacqueline's is now obviously. This wouldn't be quite so strange. Had john and florence been talking about the accident all these years but remember. They supposedly decided not to discuss the crash or their two older daughters in front of the twins. So there's no way jillian. Jennifer should know about it with the memory of the crash seems to play out even in their day-to-day lives when the twins encounter a car on the street. They aren't just cautious. They're terrified and if unexpectedly here a car start up they will literally grab onto each other and shake with fear sometimes. The girls even cry out when they see a car thinking that it's coming for them specifically at this point. Florence is just as convinced as john. The twins half to be the reincarnation of joanna and jacqueline. There's just no other way to explain it. In the early nineteen sixties. A local newspaper gets wind of the pollock twins and runs a on that for john in florence. It's probably validating but it doesn't help their credibility at church around the time the story is published. They start receiving nasty letters from other parish nurse. I'm not sure what these letters say are how john in florence respond but it gets so bad. They decide to leave their church. Meanwhile their story attracts attention from a doctor named ian stevenson. Now i've mentioned dr stevenson before in a previous episode. Does like the king of reincarnation studies. He spent nearly fifty years at the university of virginia. Psychiatry department as both a professor and department chair and when it comes to reincarnation research he is one of the most highly respected people in his field even for skeptics. in fact most of stevenson's work was spent on separating exaggerated cases from believable ones. So if anyone can determine if the twins are actually reincarnated versions of their older sisters. It's this guy. Stevenson gets in touch with the politics in one thousand nine hundred sixty four when the twins are six years old and he acknowledges that john's desire to see his dead daughters again might have clouded his judgement like this could all be john breeding into things and getting forest to do it too. Besides even with john influences rule. It's possible that the twins overheard them talking at some point about the accident but when stevenson watches the girls behavior. He isn't able to observe their memories himself. Because at this point they've pretty much disappeared. Now this is pretty normal. In cases of possible reincarnation. According to dr stevenson children almost always completely forget about their past lives at some point between ages. Five and eight. It's all part of a broader phenomenon called childhood amnesia. Basically the older child gets the more they lose their memories from just a few years before. In fact it's not until about age seven that they're able to store and retrieve memories like adults so it stands to reason that at a certain age their memory of a past life will just slip away altogether. Fortunately there's one thing of the twins that stevenson is able to test and that's their genetics now. Stevenson doesn't run this test until nineteen seventy eight. When the twins are about twenty years old at this point jillian jennifer know the whole story themselves and while they can't remember that part of their childhood they also don't discredit their parents. And apparently they're curious because dr stevenson arranges for them to come in for lab tests to determine whether they're identical or fraternal twins. Now if you're like me it's easy. Forget which is which so basically if a pair of twins fraternal it means that they have different sets of dna from each other so their differences. Both physical and behavioral can all be explained by genetics. The same way any pair of siblings can look and act very dissimilar but if the twins or identical it means they share virtually if not the exact same dna. So the pollock family and dr stevenson. All wait for the results and sure enough. Gillian and jennifer are identical. They have the same dna so they should look exactly the same. But they don't not only. Is there the birthmark thing. There's the different body types. Now you're probably wondering like what does this have to do with joanna and jacqueline and obviously doesn't prove that the twins are the reincarnations of their older sisters but it does mean that the difference in their birthmarks the fact that jennifer has to birthmarks whereas julian has none defies the basic laws of genetics. Like according to dr stevenson jillian should have the same birthmarks as her identical twin jennifer. And yet she doesn't. It turns out that people sharing matching birthmarks marks or scars. The chances of that are really low about one in one hundred sixty. The chances that to birthmarks locations one in twenty five thousand in other words jennifer jacqueline's matching birthmarks are an incredible coincidence but in the hundreds of cases that dr steven since investigated matching birthmarks. Like the match to jacqueline scar are present in roughly thirty five percent of them. So there's gotta be some sort of connection. And like i said before the pollock twins aren't the only case involving birthmarks and possible reincarnation and they definitely aren't the only case where a child seems to be an exact replica of a deceased family member. This takes us now to angan alaska in one thousand nine hundred forty five about a year before the first pollock daughter joanna was born. There's an elderly fisherman in angan by the name of victor vincent all his life. He's spoken with a pronounced stutter and in his old age he has fairly advanced to burke. Yellow says he doesn't have long to live now. Victor is a member of the twin gate people and they have one of the most intense beliefs in reincarnation out of any other indigenous group in north america so it makes sense that he not only assumes he'll be reincarnated someday but he has a belief about who he'll be reincarnated us about a year before he dies. Victor decides to visit his niece irene at her home in sitka alaska. They're talking and he tells her little secret. He says quote. I'm coming back as your next son. I hope. I don't stutter. Then as much as i do now your son will have these scars and quote then. Victor lifts up his shirt and shows her two very specific marks on his body. One is on the upper right side of his back from a biopsy or draining of a lung abscess. The other is near the bridge of his nose. Underneath his right eye from an operation he had to remove a tear sack. He says that when he reincarnates recognize him because of these two marks in the spring of nineteen forty six. Victor passes away a year and a half later. Irene gives birth to a baby boy. His name is cordless schalken junior after his father. Irene's husband and just as victor predicted. The boy is born with two distinct breath marks in the exact same location as his great uncle. Victor's even more incredible. The one on corless upper back doesn't look like the kind of mark a baby should have at all like it's a long gated and has these peripheral kind of crisscross he marks that look like faded stitches just like victors. You could say that the coincidence must somehow be attributed to genetics but corless is only victors grandnephew so the chance of them sharing similar. Dna isn't impossible but it's pretty low and remember. Victor's own marks weren't even genetic they were the result of two different surgeries. There's no way he could have passed them down through dna but the marks on his body aren't the only things victor seems to have handed down because later when he starts talking corless tells his mom that his real name isn't actually corless instead. He insists that his name is. Actually cody and irene is stunned. Because cody isn't just some random name. Her toddler made up. It was victors of fischel. Tilling name coming up corless becomes more and more like victor. 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Victor's sister and the aunt responds that just before coral is birth. She had a dream. That victor was on his way back to live with them. Now this part could just be coincidence like it's possible that victor's sister was influenced by the twin. Get belief in reincarnation and that she had been thinking about her brother coming back which is why she had the dream but when quarrels is two years old he and his mom or walking to the docks in sick when he points to a woman in the distance. Now she's pretty far away so at first irene doesn't recognize her but corless does he gets really excited like bouncing up and down. He starts saying things like there's my susie and sure enough. The woman is suzy. victors stepdaughter. Corless gives her a big hug and he continues. Repeating my suzy my suzy he even refers to susie by her toiling it name which just weirds everyone out but sometime later the same thing happens again. Coral is spots a man on the street in sitka and says bear is william my son and sure enough it is victor's son william these kinds of sightings continue over the next few years with a total of seven people. Victor would've known once it's victor's widow. Another time it. His friends corals recognizes them all. He even uses the pet names that victor had called them despite the fact that supposedly he'd never even met them before. A few of these incidents happened without irene present. So we can't even say she was feeding him information on the spot like corals actually knows this stuff as corless grows up. He combs his the same style as vincent. He's left handed like vincent and he teaches himself. The ins and outs of boat. Engines will neither his father or mother had an interest in. But victor who was a fisherman did but to me the weirdest and most convincing part is that coral is speaks with his uncles. exact stutter. Remember victor had said quote. I hope i don't stutter than as much as i do now. And quote and just as victor had wished for coral os's stutter baid's as he gets older it mainly shows up when he gets excited. Like the pollock twins coral. Os's memories of the people a nicknames from victor's live pretty much disappeared by the time he's nine. Dr stevenson is able to interview corless as a teenager but by then he doesn't remember what it was like to recognize victor's family and friends or thinking his name was cody and dr stevenson can only track down one of the relatives. Corless spotted as a little boy. The others have either passed away or declined to comment which okay. That's like a little suspicious. But they're still the birthmarks. The one on corless is back has gotten darker and the one on his nose shifts down a bit with age but other than that. They're the same now. I said this before. Out of the hundreds of possible reincarnation cases dr stevenson studies over a third involved. Birthmarks in some way. Unfortunately there's no proof that matching birthmarks exist because of reincarnation but there are other theories it has to do with an ancient belief called maternal impressions. Basically this is the idea that a mother's emotions during pregnancy can imprint on her baby causing birthmarks and other physical abnormalities. The ancient greeks went so far as to believe that if a mother looked at figure like a painting or a statue for long enough her child would grow up to look like it. So like if irene schalken spent enough time looking at or even thinking about her uncle victor his scars would imprint on her fetus. Of course his idea has been used in misogynistic and ablest ways as a way to blame mothers for their children's disabilities and obviously there's zero science behind it like there's even an old superstition that birthmarks are the result of ignoring your pregnancy cravings. So like if you're really hungry for pizza and you don't eat any pizza. Your child could come out with a birthmark in the shape of a new york slice. What we do know about birthmarks is that they usually come from an overgrowth of cells or blood vessels in the womb. But we really aren't sure about much else making reincarnation just as good of an explanation as any and if popular opinion is any indicator. It's totally possible. Hinduism is the world's third largest religion. Over one billion people believe in it and reincarnation is a central belief basically the goal in life is to create good karma in order to advance to a higher more elevated stage in the next life. If you have good enough karma and you keep advancing than eventually. you'll die once and for all. Achieving ultimate blissful union with god. The process takes many cycles. Some estimate up to one hundred so until then whatever you don't achieve or -ccomplish in one life you'll bring to the next. In other words you get a second chance that may sound almost two ideal especially in cases like the pollock twins and corals chuck and where supposedly they returned to their own families. but according to psychiatrist. Dr walter simcoe. This is how it's supposed to happen. Dr simcoe is basically the follow up to ian stevenson in terms of well respected reincarnation researchers he believes that when our souls reincarnate we do so intentionally with members of our so called social group in between their last life and the next so group members will actually meet up and coordinate the location of their future reincarnations. So they're sure to cross pats on earth so like you and a loved one could actually be members of the same soul group who planned to reincarnate as best or even siblings in other words. Death isn't the end of our families or relationships and think of how comforting that less be especially if you're a parent like john pollock. You're young daughters have died in a tragic accident. But you can picture them together deciding that they'll be reborn back into your family. Who knows if that's true but if you think about it that way maybe isn't as unfair or a natural as it feels it's literally just our loved ones going on before us as planned and when we say they'll always be with us we're right. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode for more information on the pollock twins and querulous champion junior. We found dr ian stevenson's book children who remember previous lives extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify and if you like the show follow at podcast on facebook and instagram and at podcast network on twitter. Poll supernatural stars ashley. Flowers and his a spotify original from podcast. It's executive produced by max cutler. 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MYSTICAL: The Aberfan Premonitions

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

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MYSTICAL: The Aberfan Premonitions

"In nineteen sixty six one of the worst disasters of the twentieth century. Hit the town of aberfan wales. By the time it was over a hundred forty four people had died most of them children. It was horrible. I mean the kind of thing no one saw coming except some people had in the weeks that followed people from all over. Britain came forward claiming they'd had premonitions of the disaster mere hours before it occurred. There was even evidence that some of the aber van children had predicted their own death. So was it all coincidence or word these premonitions meant to save lives. This supernatural apar- cast original. I'm your host ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrences to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from cast for free on spotify. This week's episode is about the labral band premonitions after an avalanche struck village in wales. People claimed they'd had dreams and visions of the disaster before it even happened. One doctor gathered enough evidence to actually study the phenomenon. But his efforts wound up destroying. We'll dig into the mystery coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by fan duel sportsbook. Don't just watch college basketball. Get in the action and shoot your shot with the federal sportsbook app. There's more ways to play the bracket all tournament long new users get. I bet risk free up to one thousand dollars. Sign up with code upset on the fan. Duel sportsbook app and make your first deposit today. Twenty one plus present in virginia. I online real money wager. Only for one thousand dollar risk free back refund issued as non-withdrawal site credit that expires in fourteen days restrictions apply see full terms at sportsbook dot fan duel dot com gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f. 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Six labral van was a village of terraced houses and cobblestone streets nestled in a valley. Between greenhills it was acute place to raise a family or maybe own a small business. But the town's lifeblood wasn't so much above ground where the butchers and bakers worked. It was down below. Aberfan was one of three different coal mining villages surrounding this massive underground mine known as the merthyr vale the mine employed about eight hundred men from aberfan so it was definitely the town's bread and butter but it also posed some dangers. Not just to the minors but to the entire community. See when you mind for coal you have to remove a bunch of rock and dirt from underground i. This waste is thrown onto huge piles above ground known as spoil tips. The merthyr vale mine had seven of these spoil tips. The largest one spoil tips seven sat on a hillside directly above van and it was getting bigger every year by nineteen sixty six. It was over one hundred feet high. So i mean. Imagine looking out your window and seeing this huge mountain in the distance except it's not a mount it it could move. The tip already sat on top of a spring which meant it was constantly damp and rain could make it even more unstable too much waterlog and theoretically it could salai down the hill posing a serious danger to anyone in its path and in its path was the town's elementary school now. This had made people nervous for some time three years before in nineteen sixty. Three a mining engineer wrote a letter to the national coal board. He said spoil tips. Seven was a hazard to aberfan specifically the school with the coal board brushed it off. They weren't worried and they definitely didn't want the expense of moving it. Plus there was a fear among workers that the board would close the mine. Coal was a dying industry. Oil was the next big thing so of any anyone made too big of a fuss people could lose. Their jobs in the town would be ruined so they just learned to live with it but in early october. Nineteen sixty six. It started to rain for weeks. Aber van was pounded by storm clouds. It didn't let up until the early hours of friday october. Twenty first at about seven thirty that morning a crane operator named gwen brown notice that the top of spoil tips seven had sunk. I mean like a good twenty feet so picture this massive crater at the top of a norma's dirt pile like round couldn't even see the rails that normally carried debris to the top of the pile because they had literally sunk down into this crater brown. Wanted to call his supervisor right away but at the time the little booth on the top of the mountain was missing a telephone so browns and his co worker down the slope to tell their bosses by nine. Am engineers had come up. Looked around and decided. The situation was dic- enough that they ordered all dumping to halt until further notice. Then they told brown to move his crane and just went off to have a cup of tea so basically brown was left alone. Staring at this sunken tip when all of a sudden he saw the crater start to rise. He didn't use this comparison exactly but it sounded kind of like when you're watching a boiling pot of water overflow and as the wet dirt leveled. With the top of the mound. It turned into a wave but there was nobody to call no way to reach anybody. At this exact moment students at the aberfan entry school were just beginning their classes and this was actually their last day of school for a while and just a few hours there fall break would start and he'd have a week vacation so there. They are at their little wooden desks trying to pay attention. When suddenly the unthinkable happened at nine fifteen there was a thunderous roar like a jet. A hundred fifty thousand tons of rock and dirt rushed down the mountain burst. It hit a group of cottages killing everyone inside then it continued down the hill picking up speed as it reached the school. The students and teachers saw the lights flicker the building shock and then everything went black. The entire school had been buried. It was pure chaos. People ran to the scene. Mothers claude at the dirt. They could hear their children's cries but they couldn't reach them. It was just too deep as the minutes ticked by the slurry hardened into something. Almost like cement people continued to dig and by some miracle. A few lucky children ten in total were pulled out and saved four. Teachers were also rescued but by eleven. Am not even two hours. Since the mudslide there were no survivors left. Anyone who hadn't been killed on impact had suffocated to death. The only thing the rescue workers could do was keep digging up the dead and bring each tiny body one after another to a nearby chapel where parents could identify them when he was all over one hundred sixteen children had died and most were between seven and eleven years old as you can imagine. This event shock great britain and the entire world. The disaster was front-page news everywhere and the citizens of aber van were traumatized. They wanted justice but they never got it. The national coal board was held liable but in the end they escaped any kind of financial responsibility. I mean no one even lost their job. Meanwhile donations from all over the world poured into the cold war totaling over one point seven million pounds. The money was meant for aberfan to help. Villagers cope with their loss and rebuild but ultimately it paid for cost. The board refused to shoulder like getting rid of the remaining spoil tips. Each grieving family received a small donation of five hundred pounds and they had to fight for anything extra. Like even for the cost of their children's gravestones now money wasn't the only form of help aberfan received in the weeks following the disaster people showed up at the village simply to lend a hand in one of those people was a forty two year. Old psychiatrist named dr john barker borger work at a psychiatric hospital in shropshire england and he was an odd mix of the old guard and the cutting edge. He'd been formally educated at cambridge but he was pushing to modernize mental health treatment in england. One area that fascinated him was the paranormal and the effect it had on psychology at the time of the aberfan disaster barker was studying something he called psychic death. This was basically cases of people who had visited a fortune teller or a psychic and were told when they would die then they did die when the psychic said they would but not because of anything medically wrong with them. They simply collapse from the stress and anxiety of knowing their prediction. It was this topic that brought barker to approbation. In the first place he heard a story about a little boy who actually escaped the school and lived but who died later from fright so one day after the disaster burger traveled from england to wales to see if he could find any other cases as he wondered around. He heard more stories from the parents of the deceased children. But these were different. It seemed that in the days and hours before the disaster some children had actually sensed it coming one boy. Eight-year-old paul davis had drawn a picture. The night before of the tragedy. It showed a group of people digging through a hillside and at the bottom of the page. Paul wrote two words the end at the time his parents had known what to make of it. They basically shrugged it off. But when paul died the next morning his drawing on a new meaning. Then there was ten-year-old aaron jones about two weeks before the disaster aero told her mom out of the blue that she wasn't afraid to die and that when she did die she'd be with her best friends. Peter in june her mom thought it was a morbid comment and just kind of change the subject but the day before the tragedy aero brought it up again this time. She said she'd had a dream in it. Her school was gone because quote. Something black had come down all over it and quote the next day era was also killed and just like she predicted. She was laid to rest between her best friends. Peter and june the more of these stories barker heard the more curious he became. It made him wonder if other people from outside of aber van had experienced premonitions to when he got back home bar reached out to his friend. Peter fairly a science writer at the evening standard newspaper barker pitched him an idea what they needed was to put out a widespread. Call asking people to write to them about the nation's they'd had in regards to the aberfan disaster. I was on board a week later on october. Twenty eighth the paper put out the request. It was a little experiment that proved shocking. Because over the next two weeks the paper got seventy six replies most of them from people who had never even seen or heard of labral van before coming up barker strange stories about apper van you discover their practices. Seek their advice and let yourself become more vulnerable than ever before they have the ability to heal what the doctors can't or so they say hi. Listeners it's vanessa from the podcast series. Colts be sure to check out our four part special on miracle healers airing right now neat figures from around the world who claimed powers and pushed remedies but harboured more sinister intentions. You don't wanna miss it. And if you're looking for more episodes on the most radical and deadly groups in history tune into colts every tuesday from jim jones and the peoples temple to charles manson and the manson family too key. Through neary and nexium. Yueh-lung cover the unscrupulous methods used to turn bright eyed recruits into diehard believers. Follow the spotify original from podcast cults free on spotify or wherever. You get your podcast. This episode is brought to you by blue apron. Dinnertime should help you. Unwind not cause more stress as we head into stress awareness month. Remember to keep your body mind and spirit engaged. That's why blue apron. Lets you choose how you want to end day. Especially if that means. Low maintenance recipes that are big on flavor not on prep. There's no excess planning or shopping so you can spend more time being present and actually enjoy the process of disconnecting and making a home cooked meal. You can always count on blue apron recipes. Because they are chef created nutritionist approved and suit a variety of food. Lifestyles the best part meal. Start at just seven. Forty nine per serving get eighty dollars off across your first four deliveries and de stress with simple deliver dinners visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural now back to the story of the seventy six letters. The evening standard received only sixteen seemed totally fake. Or like they were about something other than van but sixty of the writers seemed to be telling the truth behead either dreamed about the disaster or seen it in a fantasy or a vision. Burqa was fascinated by these people. He called them percipient or basically people who can perceive the future. He knew their dreams and visions couldn't be a coincidence and just to be extra cautious. He took the sixty letters and narrowed them down to the thirty five. That seemed most on point. What's weird is that the vast majority of these people had no relationship to aberfan whatsoever. No friends or relatives who lived there and again many of them had never even heard of aberfan van. Much less visited it yet. They each had dreams or visions about specific details of the tragedy. Black sludge or cole. Coming down a mountainside adults digging people wearing welsh clothing or a minors uniform and children. Lots of children crying or trying to escape or even being overtaken by a black sticky substance another common theme was the name aber van one man dreamed of the word lighting up in front of him like a neon sign. Another dreamed of it being spoken by a child. Now just to be sure these were premonitions and not you know fantasies after the fact barker asked these thirty five folks for proof that they'd experienced their dream or vision before they heard about the tragedy. Not all of them could do this. But twenty four of them could through sworn statements from friends and witnesses and of these people seven had experienced specific symptoms. They'd had kind of an emotional hangover following their premonition. They were called feeling anxious. Sad or apprehensive a couple of them even felt a choking sensation. These feelings hung around sometimes for days until they saw the news and heard about the disaster. At which point the symptoms just went away. One of these seven was fifty four year old. Mary hennessy the night before the disaster. Mary had a dream that children were trapped in two rooms. Trying to get out wooden bars blocked their way and children were doing everything they could to slip over or under the bars one child finally managed to escape and the next thing mary saw was a group of adults running frantically to the same place and crying. The dream was so disturbing. It woke mary up the first thing she thought of was her grandchildren now. They didn't live in labral van. They were only toddlers but she called her son a couple of hours later telling him to take special care of the kids that day for the next few hours. Mary walked around feeling disturbed and sort of poised for tragedy. It wasn't until almost dinnertime that she heard the news. From aberfan another percipient was caroline miller a forty seven year. Old woman from plymouth england. She claims she actually witnessed the entire disaster in a vision the night before she saw a small schoolhouse at the bottom of a valley and somehow she knew it was in wales. An avalanche of coal was descending over the village as a little boy watched and cried standing next to him was a rescue worker wearing a cap with a peaked brim. The next day when caroline saw the news she saw the same little boy from her dream along with the same rescue worker in the same hat being interviewed. It was stories like these that hooked barker and as a psychiatrist. He wondered if people like mary. And caroline has some kind of undiagnosed condition he even came up with his own theory barker called it pre disaster syndrome and he attributed it to a special ability to sense what he called telepathic shockwaves. In other words the vibrations of a tragedy coming before it actually happens barker was about his idea and dead set on gathering more examples of premonitions preferably before a new disaster occurred so he came up with a new experiment with the help of his colleague fairly. He convinced the editor in chief of the evening. Standard to set up a department at their paper called the premonitions bureau. The bureau would publish a request for people to send their premonitions then. They log every single disaster premonition. They'd received and see if anything came to pass. If it worked it would be proof that pre-disaster syndrome was real. And ideally barker. Hope to learn enough about premonitions that he could create some sort of early warning system meanwhile he told his seven percipient to pass along any sense of forboding they might have no matter what it was about in january nineteen sixty seven two and a half months after the aberfan disaster. The premonitions bureau was born almost right away. Reports trickled in but it wasn't until a few months later that one of them finally came to pass in a twenty nineteen new yorker article about the premonitions bureau. Journalists sim night writes. About a man named allan hantur allen was a forty four year old telephone operator and one of the seven percipient sparklers after aberfan on march twenty first nineteen sixty seven. He called dr barker at six and told him he just had a vision of a plane. Crashing allen said it would be carrying around a hundred twenty three people maybe a hundred twenty four but they would all die. Burger wrote it down and waited. Nothing happened at first but a month later. A britannia jet crashed into a hillside in cyprus. Killing a hundred twenty four people. It was almost exactly what allen had predicted. Obviously it wasn't exactly a moment to celebrate but barker felt vindicated the evening standard even ran an article about the premonition side. One about the crash so he had to be feeling like all of his work was finally leading somewhere and sure enough later that year on november. First another of barker's seven percipient had a premonition her name was kathleen middleton and she claimed she had a vision that predicted a railway accident according to kathleen it would affect a train on its way to london. She knew this because she'd seen a crowd of people standing on a platform and the words charing cross lit up four days later it came to pass a train on its way into london derailed and forty nine people on board were killed. I should mention though that these two stories were some of the more noteworthy premonitions barker received by the end of its first year the premonitions bureau had received four hundred sixty nine premonitions and while some of them had to do with disaster as many of them had to do with more frivolous things like horse racing. And i'm not sure how. Many total came to pass but behind the scenes things at the bureau. Were taking kind of a dark turn. Barker had become friendly with some of his recipients and now they were beginning to have premonitions about him the night of the airline crash in cyprus. Alan hellyer placed a frantic call to barker. He asked the doctor to check his gas supply and told him he'd been worried about him all day barker. Said he didn't have a gas supply and then he asked alan if he thought his life was in danger and allen said yes coming up. A premonition seals dr barker's fate. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f. 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It's delivered when you need it and really tough to mess up no gimmicks no compromises just results instead a better way too long instead go to choose instead dot com to find your plan and get ten percent off with promo code spotify now back to the story. When barker found out allen thought his life was in danger he went ahead and told. Kathleen middleton the percipient who had predicted the train crash. And then she started having premonitions about his death for almost a solid week. Kathleen had visions of barker's head and shoulders appearing next to her dead parents. She assumed this meant that he would be dying soon. But there was nothing more useful. She could say obviously barker was terrified. Also a little intrigued and weirdly this lined up with what he'd studied earlier in his career cases where people died of fright simply because a psychic predicted. They didn't have long to live so on. The one hand burger knew. He shouldn't dwell on his own debt or it could become a self fulfilling prophecy on the other. Whole point of the premonitions bureau was to see if it could help people prevent disasters but in barker's case and every other case he'd witnessed there was nothing. Anyone could do to stop bad things from happening. And that's always the problem with premonitions right there too. Vague no details no dates nothing. That can actually help anyone. Prevent anything. This proved nowhere more true than the following year in nineteen sixty eight as it turns out there was someone else. Kathleen middleton was worried about us. Senator robert kennedy. Starting in march of sixty eight. She began seeing the word. Assassination in connection with kennedy by june. She was beside herself with worry but she didn't know the date the time who would kill him or even where it would happen. She just knew that he was going to be murdered. It was all. She could see all that she could think about. So on june fourth. She put in three calls about it to the premonitions bureau and later that very same night. Robert kennedy was shot and killed an like. Obviously it is why old that kathleen predicted a literal assassination. But it's also kind of a reasonable fear surrounding any politician like kennedy's brother. Jfk had already been killed by that point. Maybe kathleen made a lucky guess based on something that had already happened. Kathleen continued having bad feelings about barker to and the monday after. Kennedy's death in july of sixty eight. She had one last premonition about him in it. She was having tea with her dead parents. She watched as her mother stood up and got into a waiting black car to kathleen. It was clear death was coming for someone. And that person. She believed was barker. She alerted the premonitions bureau on july twenty eight and three weeks later on august. Eighteenth dr barker had a sudden brain hemorrhage he died upon reaching the hospital and he was just forty four years old kathleen and allen had both been right and there was no way barker could have protected himself from something that random. So if you're like me you're probably wondering like what is the point of having premonitions then we'll do the even come from is it some unseen force trying to warn us if that is the case. Then it really doesn't make sense. Why premonitions are so vague like those two children in aberfan paul an aero who both sense that something bad would happen even if their parents had taken them seriously. It doesn't mean that they would have known how to protect them or even for how long and again it is hard to overstate. just how much of an impact. This disaster had on the country for an entire village to be robbed of. Its children was tragic. I mean to this day. It still defines van. The people in the village never got over it. Divorce rates went up. Alcoholism went up. Twenty of the parents who lost children ended up dying prematurely. It's almost easier to believe that premonitions are just some cruel but otherwise meaningless coincidence and when you look at history you'll find a ton of examples. Let's rewind to eighteen ninety eight about seventy years before the aberfan disaster that year an author named morgan robertson published a short novel. It was about an ocean liner named titan in the book titan is thought to be unsinkable until it hits an iceberg. At which point all hell breaks loose. There aren't enough votes for everyone. And twenty five hundred people die as the boat sinks into the north atlantic as we all know this actually happened but fourteen years later in april of nineteen twelve. The titanic ocean liner hit an iceberg on its maiden voyage and just like in the book. There weren't enough fifteen hundred people died. It's almost as if morgan robertson saw the future and it definitely would have been easy claim to fame but he insisted it was all a coincidence. Apparently he just knew a lot about boats in the terrible things that can happen at sea. You literally scoffed at the idea. He was psychic. But there are so many other weird details in the book that matched the real life event. The titanic was going almost the same speed as the titan when it hit the ice burke. Both ships hit the iceberg in the same place. They were even the same size and caring almost the same amount of people. I don't know about you but coincidence. Such a tough thing for me to wrap my head around it implies it everything is random when all we want is order and meaning if you think about an event like nine eleven coincidence almost goes out the window. Their entire books devoted to prime additions. People had leading up to the attacks. I'm talking visions of burning buildings and debris falling others just had a funny feeling or a sense of dread and in some cases it actually saved people's lives in his book. The science of premonitions author larry dossey talks about the planes that were hijacked in how empty they were which is weird because these were routine flights. You'd think they'd be packed on september eleventh a day that started out like any other. The planes were at most only half full or even less. There's nothing rational to account for this except that may be people decided subconsciously or not to skip their flight. Dossey also tells this strange anecdote about a woman he calls becky. Apparently becky had booked tickets to orlando on september. Eleven but as the date got closer. She was overcome by just this feeling of dread and on september four. This is one week before the hijackings. She had a dream. She was quote spinning into blackness and quote. She woke up with a name in her head. That sounded like rooks or hawks. Becky wrote them both down. Because they seemed important and a few days later she cancelled a trip. Then september eleventh happened. The planes were hijacked and across the country. Shut down becky realized her flight to orlando with been cancelled anyway. So it's not like she really avoided anything then. She happened to hear the name of the pilot whose plane crashed into the south tower. It was michael hawks. One of the names that had been stuck in her head after her dream to be fair. I'm not sure how true the becky story is. Because again this is all according to larry dossey and the other researchers but at the very least premonitions seem to tell us some part of the future and maybe this is just some sort of instinct. Take soon nami that hit southeast asia in two thousand four it killed two hundred thirty thousand people and at least twelve different countries but when you look at the animal death toll. It's totally different in many areas animals. Either flu or ran to safety before. Humans had any idea what was coming. There are a couple of theories of why this happened one. The animals heard the underwater earthquake that triggered the soon nami and two. They could feel the vibrations of the quake rippling across the globe. So this isn't so much a six sense as it is a heightened sensitivity but if you think about it that's basically the same thing as dr barker's theory about pre-disaster syndrome he described it as the ability to send shockwaves from an event before it happens. Still there's one other possibility that may explain the premonitions of aberfan and it's what's known as inference. Basically a primary rule for studying premonitions whatever people claim to have seen or dreamed has to be original. It can't echo an event that has already happened and that the person might even subconsciously. Be afraid of in other words. It can't be inferred from the past for the people of aberfan. They had a similar. Bad memory lurking. In their subconscious mining. Accidents were common spoil. Tips had slid before just in other villages but in aberfan itself once in nineteen forty four and once in nineteen sixty three just three years before the disaster. The nineteen sixty three slide wasn't big enough to have reached the village but the community was aware of it. The danger of another one happening was probably on people's minds and it's possible. Few parents spoke about it in front of their children and that the children internalize those fears. Maybe they were even old enough to remember the last avalanche. But what about the people outside of aberfan reams of black sludge and children crying. How do we explain that. The simple answer could be empathy. If there's one thing aberfan seems to have taught us and that barker's friendships with alan and kathleen taught him it's that were all somehow connected and when a tragedy threatens to sever that connection by striking a dramatic and forceful way maybe just maybe it can bend the rules of time and space so next time you have a random dream about someone you've never met or somewhere you've never been keep your ears peeled you'll be on something before it even happens. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. Spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts. All in one place. They're making it easier to listen to whatever you wanna hear for free on your phone computer or smart speaker. Supernatural stars ashley. Flowers and his a spotify. Original from podcast it's executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by karie murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carleen madden and aaron larson. This episode of supernatural was written by joanna philbin with writing assistance by allie wicker. Back checking by anya. Barely and research by mickey taylor do your more stories hosted by me. Checkout crime junkie. And all audio chuck originals.

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MYSTICAL: The Bosco Murders

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

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MYSTICAL: The Bosco Murders

"What if you had a dream that someone you know and love would be brutally killed. It sounds too horrible to even think about. But what if that dream actually came. True for tony bosco. A nightmare literally became reality when her son and daughter-in-law were murdered in cold blood even worse. The police didn't have a single lead but for tony. The story didn't end there. She contacted a psychic to track down her son's killer and as soon as they were captured. Things only got more disturbing. This is supernatural a podcast original. I'm your host ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained mystery to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. This week's episode is about the murder of john and nancy bosco in nineteen ninety-three someone broke into the couple's home and murdered them fulfilling a dream. The john's mother tony had experienced. A famous psychic helped pinpoint the killer but their capture only unraveled more questions especially when the culprit revealed that they had experienced nightmares of their own will have more on the bosco. Murders coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by ford f one fifty the all new f one fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of in class onboard power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair. Electric heater and even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new two thousand and twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. F one fifty explore the all new two thousand twenty one f one fifty at four dot com slash trucks slash one fifty classes full-sized pickups under eighty five hundred pounds gb wr see owner's manual for important operating instructions. Here's a pre episode appetizer. Make dinner time and experience. Not a chore. With blue apron they take the guesswork out of planning delivering. Nutritionist and chef approved recipes that feed your body. Challenge your mind and nourish your soul the best part meal. Start at seven. Forty nine serving. See what's on this week's menu and get thirty dollars off across your first two deliveries when you visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural. The story begins in colorado or nineteen ninety with a twenty nine year. old computer. telemarketer named nancy peterson. Nancy is outgoing and vibrant. So it's no surprise. She's a wizard at telemarketing. She is great at smiling dialing and closing deals and for trickier customers. She has this special mou- if she's ever on a call and the client seems reluctant. Nancy offers to go over to their home to demonstrate the product in person it almost always works and eventually it's how she meets a thirty eight year old furniture maker named john bosco. Nancy goes over to john's house to give an in person presentation on computer products but the only presentation john is interested in is nancy. It's basically love at first sight for both of them now. John is just coming off a brutal divorce and he and his wife are locked in really ugly custody battle over their two young kids. But nancy isn't intimidated. She and john begin dating. And in december nineteen ninety they tie the knot and two years later. They're talking about moving to montana. The deciding factor. Is this great deal. John fines on their future home as a furniture maker. He's excited to learn that the house. He's looking at already has woodworking studio attached supposedly. The land is zoned for commercial. Meaning john will be able to run his furniture. Business right at home on learning that the move is a no brainer so in early nineteen ninety. John and nancy pack up and move to big fork montana when they arrive. They couldn't be happier their home. Looks exactly the way they pictured it and there's plenty of space for the two of them plus johns kids when they visit but as john's setting up his woodworking shop he learned something upset it turns out. The house isn't zoned for commercial purposes. So of john tries to work from home he'd be breaking the law. John is fiori about this and he confronts the previous owner. This guy named joe clark. But if clark did lie just to close the deal he won't it. He claims that he has been perfectly honest about the zoning specifications from day one now wall. John is dealing with all of this drama in montana. His mother tony. Bosco is having a stressful time to. Tony is at her home in connecticut when she has this terrifying nightmare in her dream she sees john standing like really far away and for some reason he's dressed like a caveman like big club and all with. That's not the most jarring part. Because as tony watches she sees this huge destructive machine. My creeping up behind her son. I'm not sure exactly what this machine looks like. But the site of it feels tony with hore. She starts weeping and screaming at john to watch out but john is just facing forward completely oblivious and finally the machine devours him. At which point. Tony wakes up drenched in sweat and okay. It is a bazaar enough dream that you think could put it out of her mind but she for some reason just can't it just keeps eating at her until eventually she starts to wonder if maybe it means something like maybe it. Some sort of prophetic sign. That something horrible is going to happen to john. But what that thing is. Tony has no idea. I'm not sure if she even mentions the dream to anyone. At any rate. John is pretty preoccupied by mid august. Ninety three not only is he trying to figure out the whole zoning thing at his house but he had nancy or planning a trip back to colorado to deal with the custody battle over his kids. Tony knows about the trip. And how busy john is so. She tries not to bother him. Then on the nineteenth she receives a phone call. Tony picks up immediately. She's eager to catch up with john after not hearing from him for so long but the voice on the other end of the line is in her son. It's the montana police. Tony listens as share of tells her that. John and nancy never made it to colorado. Both of them are still in montana or at least their bodies are because john and nancy bosco have been brutally murdered. According to the sheriff a neighbor noticed. John nancy's car parked in their driveway. It was like all packed and ready for their trip but it was just sitting there for days on end. It wasn't until they spied one of the bathroom windows hanging open that they finally walked over to investigate and as they reached the window. They got this horrible stench. That just hit them. The neighbor immediately called the police and shortly after arriving. The cops. Find john and nancy upstairs in the master bedroom. They're laying face up on their mattress covered in flies and maggots at this point. They've been dead for a full week but it is definitely clear how it happened. John has been shot once in the head and nancy twice but for some reason she has a pillow covering her head and from the lack of bullet holes in it. It's clear that the pillow was placed over nancy's face after she died. Now tony's listening to this information and of course. She is stunned with grief. The sheriff goes on to tell her a couple sparse details about how the actual murder went down. Apparently the killer broke into the bosco home. Probably through the bathroom window. Then they shut off the power and cut the phone line inside the house before climbing upstairs. Both john and nancy were fast asleep when the murderer shot john in the head killing him instantly then they fired three more shots. Two of which fatally struck nancy and afterwards they placed the pillow over nancy's head but amazingly the murderer didn't leave behind a single fingerprint even stranger. Nothing was stolen from the house so to police. this means the motive couldn't have been financial. It had to be personal naturally. The i suspect is john's ex wife after the murderers the police find out about john's ugly divorce in the fact that he nancy were planning their trip to colorado to deal with the custody battle. So obviously it's suspicious that they were murdered on the night before they were set to leave it just to them. All too coincidental still no matter. How seamlessly this idea. Works in feary reality. There isn't any concrete. Evidence tying john's ex wife to the murders. This leaves the cops at a dead end but not for long because pretty soon they discover all the drama between john and the former homeowner joe clark. By the time. John was murdered. Their disagreement had escalate like to the point that john was planning to sue clark in civil court but then both he and nancy were murdered when the cops find out about this. They get excited. If the killer was joe. Clark there would be both a personal and financial motive. Would they don't have anything tying clark to crime scene and so the police are forced to conclude that it's just another didn't as all of these investigations are going on. Tony is over in connecticut dealing not only with grief but with a terrible feeling that she somehow knew about all of this before it even happened like maybe if she had told john about her nightmare he and nancy would have sold their new house and left big four montana for good and maybe none of this would have happened. Which of course is unsure. There's no way. Tony could have known that john would actually die much less how it would happen. And i know if i got a call from my mom saying she had a bad dream. I'm not just going to sell my house and up in move still. She needs closure so three weeks after the murder. This is september of nineteen ninety-three. Tony decides that. She's going to fly to montana. She wants to see the house that john and nancy died in. And here's where things get really creepy. Because the minute tony enters the home. She senses that she's in the presence of pure evil coming up. Tony gets a bird's eye view into her son and daughter-in-law listeners. I am thrilled to tell you that. This month marks a huge milestone for podcast. It's the four year anniversary of another fantastic podcast. I host called serial killers. If you haven't had a chance to dive into the stories and psychology behind the most nightmarish of all time. There's no better time than right now to start listening each week. We enter the minds the methods and the madness of the world's most sadistic serial killers from the son. 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Whore like something about the air just feels sinister and it chills her to the bone and this feeling it only gets worse when she enters the bedroom where john and nancy were murdered. The walls are still spattered with blood. And tony can make out the holes. Where the bullets pierced through. It's definitely every mother's worst nightmare and the site causes tony to literally fall to her knees. She prays begging god to bring justice but in the days following she decides to take matters into her own hands. She's done with waiting for the police to figure out who the culprit is. And if there's one thing tony knows it that she has a sixth sense about this entire murder so she hires a psychic and not just any psychic. His name. Is dan brinkley. He's actually super famous. Because of his own experience with the great beyond supposedly in nineteen seventy five. Brinkley was talking on the phone when he was struck by lightning but it was so extreme it lifted him off his feet causing him to levitating for a few seconds before crashing. Back to the ground in the aftermath. Brinkley was rushed to the hospital where he died. According to brinkley soul floated out of his body and drifted towards an other worldly lightened fused route. Twenty eight minutes later. He miraculously woke from the dead and discovered he had psychic powers that gave him the ability to predict the future. Now these powers are so exceptional that allegedly brinkley's made one hundred seventeen accurate. Predictions including ronald reagan's election the fall of the soviet union and the gulf war and even though his claim to fame is telling the future. Tony figures if anyone is going to help her find out who killed her son. It's this guy so in the weeks following her. Visit to montana in october. Nineteen ninety-three brinkley. And tony meet in a hotel room. Now tony's a practicing christian so. I'm guessing that her feelings about psychics are pretty complicated. Like the bible isn't too wild about people trying to contact the great beyond. It seems sort of like a brush with the dark side kind of like an invitation for evil not to mention the lack of faith in god but at this point tony is desperate. And just in case brinkley's total. Nutjob convinces her sister to come with her. And this turns out to be a great decision. Because tony's sister agreed to take notes. She's scribbling away as tony focuses on. Brinkley who is sitting in front of her he's completely still and his eyes are closed after a few seconds he lifts his hands to his forehead. And that's when his journey begins according to brinkley. He is transported back to the actual night of the murder. He can see directly through. The killers is in one minute snip. It's almost like he's watching a home movie that keeps glitch ing by describing what he's seeing brinkley's able to walk tony through the events of that awful night. He describes the entire murder from the killers point of view beginning with climbing through the bathroom window all the way to firing the fatal shots. He doesn't sound like he gives any new information about how the murder happened. I mean besides all the details had been in the newspaper so the part about firing the gun four times and putting the pillow over nancy's head i mean brinkley could have just picked that up from papers at the time but then he says something shocking he tells tony but he can actually see the killer. He's reflected in a mirror. Inside john nancy's house. It's a teenage boy. He says of medium build with inset is and he's wearing jeans and cowboy boots he says. The boy looks like a college student maybe about eighteen or nineteen years old and for some reason. Brinkley guesses that he attends college out. West then his brow wrinkles a little bit. He tells tony that the house feels really familiar. Like this isn't the first time the killer has been inside the home brinkley asks of. Maybe john had an apprentice like some kid that he hired to help with his woodworking business. And tony says no. But brinkley is certain. The murderer is a college student who has been in this house in the past. Then he leaves tony with a prediction. John and nancy's killer will be caught in just two months now. This sounds comforting right. If brinkley's prophecy comes true tonys should have some answers in december before the new year starts but honestly she doesn't know what to make of this information. I mean college student in cowboy boots isn't exactly a police sketch. There are tons of people who fall into that category. And it's not like the scene he was describing. Was that far off from what police guest had happened on the other. Hand the detail that the boy had been inside. The house in the past does narrow things down except tony is positive that john didn't have an apprentice regardless she hands bring these description of the killer to the cops and surprisingly. They're not impressed. It's only making use a psychics testimony in court and as the weeks passed without a new break in the case. Tony feels more and more certain that contacting brinkley was just a big waste of time but then on december seven. She gets a call from a montana sheriff. He tells her that they've got him. And the more he describes the culprit the more. Tony can't believe her ears. Because wrinklies description was spot on the suspect is an eighteen year old college. Student of medium build with inset is and his name is shadow. Clark that last name sounds familiar. It's because shadow is the son of joe. Clark the man who sold john his house and supposedly misled him about the zoning restrictions which means yet another of brinkley's predictions is accurate. The killer had been inside the house in the past because he used to live there. And i mean business totally wild right like not only was brinkley. Able to see into the past and literally tell tony what shadow walked like but he also predicted the future by saying the exact month shadow would be captured. Obviously this is far from the first time has tapped into the future. The internet is literally filled with thousands of anecdotes from normal people claiming a psychic accurately predicted their future but in many of these cases there's a cause for skepticism and brinkley is no exception remember how he allegedly predicted. Huge events. like ronald reagan's election the fall. The union gopher all of that. Well that's something psychics dual law. They claimed to have predicted events. That already happened and anyone can do that. But in the case of the bosco murderers. None of that applies. There's no way. He could have known such specific details about shadow clark or the month of his capture unless brinkley had some dark insider info which as far as anyone knows he didn't and to me. This story is about so much more whether or not psychics can interpret the past or predict a future. it's whether humans camp take tony for one. I mean call it prophecy or premonition but her nightmare definitely tapped into something still. The wildest part isn't even the dream she had. It's the ones shadow clark was having you see months before. John's murder shadow was plagued by a recurring nightmare. One that told him exactly what he was going to do. Coming up shadow wrestles with a disturbing prophecy misunderstood underestimated affecting thirty nine million people in the us alone when a migraine comes knocking. Dissolve it in as little as sixty minutes with neck obt ramesh pant seventy five milligrams. The quick dissolve treatment for migraine attacks. That can get many people back to normal activities and last up to forty eight hours in. Just one dose tech. Obt is a prescription medication for the acute. Not preventive treatment of migraine and adults. Don't take allergic to near tech. Dt the most common side effect was nausea for more information including important safety information patient information and prescribing information visit. Ner tech dot com. That's our t. e. c. dot com. Talk to your doctor about ner tech obt to today now back to the story when police arrested shadow clark one who knew him was shocked by all accounts. Shadow was your so called good christian kid. An honor roll grad and a freshman at george fox university in oregon which raises the obvious question. Why would a small town montana boy murder to strangers right before he went off to college. I mean sure. His dad had a fight with john bosco. But i'm not even sure shadow knew about the argument before the murder. It doesn't seem to be why he killed. The boss goes even tony. Can't wrap her head around it then she discovers that she and shadow have one bizarre thing in common. According to shadow in the months preceding. John and ansi bosko's murderers he was plagued by a recurring nightmare. It started in mid nineteen ninety three a few months after his high school graduation and it was always the same. The eighteen year old would find himself standing outside his old childhood home. A gun clutched in his hand. Then he opened the front door. Climb the stairs to the master bedroom. Where a couple was sleeping shadow would step through the door. An open fire murdering the husband and wife in their sleep. At that point he always woke up. Confused and upset. He had no idea why he was dreaming about killing two people. he'd never even spoken to before. It all seemed completely impossible except for one thing earlier that summer shadow had purchased a gun so he might not have understood why he kept dreaming about moving. The boss goes but he did have the means to do so. And on august. Twelve shadow. clark's nightmares became. John and nancy. bosko's reality it's unclear whether shadow began the night by trying to go to sleep but at some point he picks up his gun walks out of his parents new home and steps into his car then he drives over to the bosco house instead of opening the front door shadow shoves open a bathroom window and crawls inside he shuts off the house's power and cuts. It's only phone line to the outside world before climbing the stairs to john. Nancy's bedroom shadow pushes the door open. And just like in his dream. He opens fire. The first shot pierces. John bosco skull and the sound wakes up. Nancy realizing her life is in danger. She lurches towards her bedside and reaches for her glasses with just as she puts them on shadow. Fires three more shots. Two of them striking and killing. Nancy shadow is terrified but instead of leaving he walks over to nancy and gently places a pillow over her head. And i'm not sure why he does. This may be something about seeing. Her crumpled body is just too disturbing for the first time. He can actually see his victims face and he wants to cover it up then he drives back home climbs into bed and falls asleep. The next day shadow isn't sure if the murderer actually took place or if it was just another one of his reoccurring dreams he just sort of hopes. It's not real. At least that's what he tells a court later on shadow claims. None of it was premeditated it felt just like any of his other dreams that he done before. It's not until one week later on. August nineteenth when police by john and nancy's bodies that he realizes the murders actually happened and he knows without a doubt that he did it. Of course he's too scared to say anything. He just goes off to college out west but it seems to eat at him because a few months after the murder in december shadow reportedly tells his college roommate quote. I've done something worse than anybody's ever done before. And i'm afraid i'm going to get in trouble for it quote. After some prodding shadow explains that he had several dreams about killing people and that one day it just was no longer a dream horrified. His roommate reports it to school authorities who then call the cops in short order. Investigators interrogate shadow. Locate the murder weapon and place him under arrest but when they ask him why he committed the crime. It's clear that shadow is in the dark tells investigators that he didn't know the boss goes at all and that it's quote really weird as far as why i did that and quote and when shadows lawyer is helping him prepare for trial. He actually encourages him to come up with some sort of explanation so he can get a lower sentence leg if the judge knows shadow is settling some sort of grievance. Maybe it will be easier to give him a lower sentence and possibly let him go back into society. Otherwise shadows seems like the kind of guy who's just gonna kill more strangers at whim but even that incentive doesn't work shadow says he has no idea why he killed john and nancy and he makes that clear over and over again in court so on july twenty seventh nineteen ninety four almost a year after he murdered. The boss goes shadow is sentenced to two hundred twenty years in the montana state. Prison justice is served case closed except almost thirty years later. Something about this is still deeply unsettling like why were shadow and tony having dreams about essentially the same terrible event at the same time. It just doesn't make sense. I guess they could have been exaggerating for their own reasons. But when it comes to daniel. Brinkley we know those predictions were real. Because there are those notes taken by. Tony's sister that clearly described shadow clark as the killer. So is it possible that three very different people tapped into the same event and if so what does that say about reality. Is it really. So random. Or is it set in stone obviously. That's a heavy question to wrestle. But if there's anything psychics and dreams have taught us it's that some things out there and if we access it we might find out what happened or what's going to happen. We just might not be able to change it. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. 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DISAPPEARED: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

35:22 min | 7 months ago

DISAPPEARED: Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

"Malaysia Airlines. Flight Three seventy left Kuala Lumpur International. Airport at twelve forty, two am on March eighth two, thousand fourteen it was opposed to arrive in Beijing six hours later, but the plane never made it. Forty. Minutes after takeoff the crew made their last known transmission when they moved from Malaysian airspace to Vietnamese airspace they radio to standard response to the quality Lumpur traffic controller. Good night Malaysian three seven zero. Less than a minute. Later, the flights transponders signal banished air traffic controls radar screen for twenty minutes. The controller tried to hail the plane, but there was no response, the plane and all two, hundred, thirty, nine people on board had disappeared into thin air. This is supernatural. A cast original, and I'm your host Ashley Flowers. Every Wednesday I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, and if you like what you're hearing, reach out on facebook and Instagram at. Least and twitter at podcast network. This week were talking about the March two, thousand, fourteen disappearance of Malaysian. Airlines flight three seventy to this day. We're still not sure what happened to the plane, the crew or its passengers. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. A few years before the Malaysia flight disappeared, there was a television show called lost. I have a lot of feelings about that show and I can still get very worked up if I think too long and hard about the ending and the mess of unanswered questions but that's neither here. Nor there the point is the show was a pretty big television phenomenon millions of. People myself included were invested in the fate of a plane full of people whose plane mysteriously vanished. So when Malaysian Airlines flight three, seventy or M H three, seventy vanished on March eighth two, thousand, fourteen everyone kind of frozen in their tracks this real life tragedy felt too much like a TV episode to be true like life imitating art could a plane actually disappear? I mean, this was a state of the art Boeing triple seven piloted by an experienced captain on a routine flight path. How could it just vanish? Journalists William Longevity. In his article about M h three, seventy for the Atlantic. He said quote the idea that a sophisticated machine with modern instruments and redundant communications could simply vanish seemed be on the realm of possibility and quote. So. Something bigger had to be at play. Let's start with what we know for certain. The plane took off from Walla Lumpur Malaysia with any issues there were two hundred, thirty, nine people onboard from fourteen different countries. The flight reaches a normal cruising altitude of thirty, five, thousand feet, and for the first forty minutes everything is fine. The two men in the cockpit are checking in over the radio and the reporting everything is normal. The captain that night is a Malaysian national named Zahari off Mitch Shaw. He'd been an airplane pilot since Nineteen eighty-one and had over eighteen thousand hours of flight time under his belt. So hurry was so enthusiastic about being a pilot he even had a digital flight simulator in his house. So literally this guy is doing nothing but flying, he goes to work and flies planes. He comes home and practices flying planes i. mean this is his whole life. But he's not the only person in the cockpit that night. So hurry has co-pilot named Freak Hamid for we had been a pilot for seven years, but he was still in training he had about twenty seven hundred hours of flight time and less than forty of those were in a Boeing triple seven. In fact, this flight to Beijing was the final piece of his training. And that means that for week is actually the one flying the plane this day well, technically because nowadays planes practically fly themselves an emmy three seventy was no different once they got to their cruising altitude preprogrammed flight plan would have kicked in autopilot basically for week would only need to intervene if they came across some unexpected weather or air traffic and we know they reached their cruising. Altitude because Hari Radio Malaysian Air Traffic Control about it twice at one. Oh One am he reported that they had leveled off a few minutes later at one zero eight am he confirmed they were flying at thirty, five thousand feet and this is actually a little strange because normally pilots only radio to let control no, they're leaving an altitude to make sure they're all clear to move. But maybe a hurry was just a little rusty on his protocol after all he's usually captaining the flight. so He's used to his co-pilot handling the radio. So yes, it's strange but really only in hindsight. At any rate by one nineteen, a M, they're reaching the border between Malaysia Airlines face in Vietnam airspace. When you leave one country, you have to check in with the next one, just like you would crossing any other border. But what makes air traffic a little more complicated is that every country's air traffic controller is operating on its own radio frequency. So when M H three seventy enters Vietnam jurisdiction they need to retune their radio to be able to talk to the new tower. The last transmission heard from M H three seventy is a conversation with the tower back in Kuala. Lumpur. They gives a Hari, the frequency he needs to talk to Vietnam and Zahari Confirms Calm Voice and then tells them good night. Then at one, twenty, one, a m M H three, seventy disappears off the radar screen Koala Lumpur the controller didn't notice at first he was talking to another plane when it happened. But when he realizes it's gone he's not even that worried he just assumes the plane is out of range and safely in the hands of the Vietnamese. But Suhari never checked in with the Vietnamese. Controller and. The, controller in Kuala Lynn Poor. The one Vietnam was watching the screen when m h three, seventy dropped off the radar they saw it happen in two steps first, the plane's transponder number vanished. In the entire blip disappeared. So radar is basically echo location kind of what bats use, but it can only tell you so much. Basically, it says there's something out there and it's this far away to help air traffic control keep track of WHO's flying in the sky airplanes have a more sophisticated radar system. Every flight is equipped with a transponder that sends. Ping's directly down to the control tower on land. This means that when controllers look at their radar screens, each blip is identified by a number. So, when this transponder numbered disappeared from this blip representing h three seventy, that was concerning but not life threatening. When the blip vanished entirely, that was an emergency I mean the plane could be anywhere which meant another plane could accidentally collide with it. So the controller in Vietnam tries calling M H three seventy directly to ask why their transponder isn't working but they can't get any kind of response after almost twenty minutes of silence. The Tower Vietnam calls over to the Tower in Kuala Lumpur to see what they know. Now according to Protocol Air Traffic. Control in Malaysia is supposed to call in an emergency flight response team. But here's where things get really wonky for whatever reason no one in Kuala Lumpur contact the emergency team and no one really does anything instead Malaysia and Vietnam play this weird game of bureaucratic hot potato. Each air tower claims that the other ones problem. It's not until six thirty, A. M. Nearly five hours. Later, that anyone really acknowledges that something is seriously wrong until then they were really only worried about the transponder like this was an equipment malfunction or something everyone assumed that they would hear from age three seventy at some point but at six thirty, a M M H three seventy doesn't show up in Beijing for its scheduled landing and everyone is forced to acknowledge the huge scope of the problem. They have no idea where this plane actually is. We'll dive into the search efforts for the missing aircraft after this. High listeners. Here's a series I. 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So it's time to leave that clunky complex and time-consuming cms in the past where it belongs and upgrade to cms hub no more waiting days for an update. Feeling like you're site is outdated or worrying about security cms hub from hub spot has all the features you need built right in. So developers marketers can work in harmony. So if your next great idea involves having an engaging dynamic and secure website, let's see him as hub take the pain out of managing your software. So you can get back to what you do best wowing your customers learn more about cms hub at hub spot, dot, com slash spotify. Now back to the story. After Malaysian flight, three, seventy vanished on March eighth two, thousand, fourteen seven countries launched a massive search and rescue operation to recover the airplane and any surviving passengers. Thirty, four ships and twenty eight planes scour the south. China. Sea. At first they concentrate on the area where MOH three seventy fell off the radar somewhere on the border between Malaysia, and Vietnam but the search turns up empty. No visible debris nothing that looked like a crash site, the plane had just vanished. And that fuels, all kinds of rumors and speculation. How can a jumbo jet just fall off the face of the earth there has to be something bigger a conspiracy or something supernatural? I mean it feels like they were sucked into a black hole. Well, then finally Malaysia government comes forward with some new information they admit their own military radar had picked up an unidentified plane. It had been flying west over the Indian Ocean as late as two twenty two am on March eighth, and now they admitted that that plane was probably engaged three seventy in most other countries. If the military picked up an unidentified plane on their radar, they would have immediately launched some jets to figure out if it was a threat but the Malaysian government just kinda shrug it off. It wasn't until later when they're reviewing other data that they realized this blip was probably they're missing plane. Again this is not standard protocol for any military. So when the public finds out that Malaysia had just ignored, the unknown blip people are furious and I mean who can blame them with so many questions about what happened m h three seventy who knows what would have been different had the military intervened. So, not only is a huge. Fight. It also means the search team has been combing the wrong body of water for days. Any wreckage is probably going to be over in the Indian Ocean and after wasting all this time, the chances of finding it are that much smaller. Of course, this only feeds the black hole rumors. The more time that passes without any sign of three seventy crashing the more the world convinces itself that the two hundred and thirty nine passengers are all alive somewhere. We just don't know how to find them. Then in the weeks following the investigation uncovers some chatter between M H three seventy and a satellite or over the Indian. Ocean. They find a series of paintings that give more clues about where the plane was flying during its final hours. These things don't give an exact route, but they paint a general picture. At one twenty, one, a am the transponder fails and M H three seventy disappeared. From. Air traffic radar. But more importantly shortly after the plane drops off the radar, the autopilot is switched off and the plane makes a sharp turn to the southwest heading back to Malaysia. Now, this turn is so sharp that there's no way it could have been done by a computer even if the autopilot was seriously malfunctioning. So whatever went wrong in the first place, it confirms that someone was still alive at the controls at that point. No one is sure why they would have made a turn like this but remember that the person flying the plane for wreak was still a trainee for now they assume that's probably the explanation. Sometimes inexperienced pilots can get confused in the air, but they're also not as concerned with the Y. Right now they're more focused on figuring out where the plane went as soon as possible. So they can recover any survivors. The satellite pins also revealed that each three seventy flew for hours after it fell off the radar after turning the flight passes over the island of Penang, which is off the northwest coast of Malaysia. Then, he climbs to forty thousand feet and flies up the Malacca Strait toward the end Amon and Nicobar Islands. Finally. It turns South West toward the Indian. Ocean after that point, it flies out of range of any radar but according to satellite, Ping's it was in the air another six hours until at least eight nineteen am we don't know exactly where it was for all this time we just know that the plane was clearly flying and operational. And then our best guess is that at eight nineteen, the plane ran out of gas and crash landed. So, with this new information, the search and rescue team adjust their search area to a specific arc Indian Ocean but I mean we're still talking about a huge field and there are a few days late to the party. So they don't find anything but some people are encouraged by the fact that the plane was in the air for so much longer than they thought, it could have flown another three thousand miles and maybe we haven't found any debris because the plane didn't actually crash maybe it just flew to an unknown location. Because whatever did happen to M H three, seventy, there are a lot of things to suggest that it was deliberate. On. The night of the disappearance air traffic thought that there was a malfunction with the transponder. Sa- witched off on purpose like say to keep air traffic control from seeing the plane make a u-turn. So this is when a new theory emerges M h three seventy was hijacked. Here's one of the biggest details to support the hijacking theory. There's evidence that the plane was deliberately depressurized after it turned back toward Malaysia lowering the amount of oxygen inside. You know when they say if there's a loss of cabinet pressure and Masks will drop above your seat. Well, there's only enough oxygen in the ceiling masks to last about like fifteen minutes. So if the plane was depressurized for long enough everyone on board would pass out and eventually die from hypoxia. So if someone had hijacked the plane de-pressurizing the cabin would be a really great way to make sure none of the passengers or crew were able to fight back. I should note though that a no point during these seven hours of flying time did anyone on board try and contact loved ones. So if someone had been conscious during these zigzags, wouldn't they have noticed something was wrong still this wasn't a perfect theory. First of all, no terrorist group ever took credit for M H three, seventy s disappearance, and typically I mean that's the point hijacking to grab the world's attention and make some kind of statement. Well, whoever did this if they did certainly got the world's attention it was all over the news for weeks but no one ever came forward to brag or to say what they did or even why they did it. And, there wasn't anyone on the passenger list that sparked any red flags as potential terrorist operatives. Every person on the plane including the crew was investigated by the Chinese government with the help of the FBI it turned out there were two Iranians onboard traveling under fake names, stolen passports, but they weren't rebels they were political refugees to Germany for asylum. So eventually, the hijacking theory loses steam and instead it's widely accepted that m h three seventy must have flown out to the open ocean and ran out of gas as strange as that is as far as the debris no one could really explain why they haven't found any but based on the Satellite Ping's everyone feels short. This is what happened. Except for a journalist named Jeff Weiss. He doesn't buy it. So he keeps studying the disappearance long after the rest of the world has moved on. In Twenty Nineteen wise publishes a book called the Taking of three seventy in it. He argues that this was a sophisticated hijacking not some kind of accident. So obviously, much of what we know about M h three, seventy s final hours comes from the satellite pinks why we think the plane went south out into the Indian. Ocean. Except to wise the fact that the satellite pains existed at all was a huge coincidence he found them incredibly suspicious. For one. The piece of airplane equipment that pins the satellite is called the SDU. It had actually been switched off when m h three, seventy. I disappeared off air traffic control radar screens. It was later switched back on just a few minutes after the plane flew out of range of the military's radar. So basically once the plane was free from any kind of tracking instead of just disappearing completely someone rebooted the St you. But why would you do that? Why go through all the trouble of disappearing only to leave this trail of breadcrumbs? Why believes that it was a false trail intentionally planted to throw the investigation, of course. Basically, the public needed an explanation otherwise, they would never stop looking for the plane. These Satellite Ping's gave them a path to follow out to see. If you use the same data but assumed the plane flew north instead of south. End Up in Kazakhstan instead of the Indian Ocean. But why steal a plane and fly to Kazahstan wise argues that the whole thing was an elaborate game of smoke and mirrors orchestrated by Vladimir Putin this isn't just some random blame game in March of two, thousand, fourteen Putin would appreciate a diversion Russia was in the middle of invading and illegally annexing Crimea. It was all over the news and on March sixth. President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for the attack just over thirty six hours later poof M h three, seventy vanishes. Suddenly, every major network has wall-to-wall covered on the plane's disappearance. The Russo Ukrainian war is old news. It's like that one business adage if you don't like what's being said about you change the conversation, but there are few problems with wisest theory. I it seems unlikely that M h three seventy could have flown north for so many hours and over. So many different countries without anyone noticing an unidentified airplane on the radar also a third party hijacker doesn't fit into the timeline of events. Only two minutes passed between Zahari telling the tower in Kuala Lumpur good night and the plane disappearing from the. Radar screen it seems unlikely that the hijackers would have been able to execute that timing. So perfectly, even if hijackers had managed unlock the cockpit door, they wouldn't have been able to do it quietly the electronic deadbolt man linked noise when they're open. So right away Zahari and for wreak would've known that someone else had left the door they would have immediately sent a distress signal instead journalist William launch of each lays out a new theory. He believes that this was an entirely different kind of hijacking wasn't happened from within the cockpit. We'll dive into the motives behind one pilots desperate act after this. Beauty counter believes that beauty should be good for you. The leader in clean since two thousand thirteen beauty counter is a company fueled by higher purpose to create a safer future for all a gloss for the greater. Good. A glowing cheek with nothing to hide clean makeup that speaks up this routine will change beauty forever. So. If you're looking for skin care that actually cares you need counter plus Albright see serum this ten percent potency vitamin zero is packed with antioxidants and we'll give you instant radiance and lasting results. The quick absorbing formula allows for easy layer in an instant boost of. 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It was a bittersweet discovery in the sixteen months following the disappearance several family members had held onto hope that the missing passengers might still be alive. But that flap ron seemed to confirm what many government agencies had assumed for months m. h three seventy had crashed into the Indian Ocean and its passengers were never coming home. Over time more pieces of debris washed ashore along the East African coast in Mozambique and Madagascar. Right Away Jeff Weiss sees this as further proof of a conspiracy. He thinks the debris washed up after it was planted. By the Russians, he even tries to prove this by having the barnacles on the flap ron examined insisting that they're not big enough to have been growing for sixteen months. But assuming, that's not the case it seems like m h three seventy crashed into the water at by Lynn speed and shattered on impact. This would help explain why search and rescue still hadn't been able to find a crash site. There may be put to many tiny scattered pieces to pinpoint where it actually happened. But the fact that the airplane shattered at all still points to something more suspicious than just an accident. So as I said, it's belief that M H three seventy ran out of gas and hit the water at a really high speed around one hundred and seventy miles per hour. Then as William Longevity of put the airplane disintegrated into Confetti when hit the water. But the thing is if the plane had simply run out of gas, it would have dropped parallel to the water and the only way for it to reach something like a hundred and seventy miles per hour was if it was perpendicular ready to take a nosedive, which means someone was still controlling the plane right up until the end and when the engine start to sputter out that someone tipped the plane forward sending it nose first into the ocean. All of this means that it's possible that the disappearance of m h three seventy wasn't a hijacking or an accident. It might have been a mass murder suicide event. I. Know. This is a horrible thought but it has happened before in October of nineteen ninety nine Egypt Air flight nine, ninety crashed off the coast of Nantucket. Like h three, seventy, it was an overnight flight that disappeared off the radar in the morning hours and like h three seventy, it gave no distress signal and the last transmission to the tower said everything was normal these simply bid JFK governing. Then at one, forty, eight am one of the copilot's said a prayer cut the power and pushed the control yoke forward pointing the nose of the plane toward the water less than two minutes. Later, flight nine ninety plunged into the ocean killing two hundred seventeen people on board. It happened again in two thousand, thirteen, a Mozambique, airlines pilot intentionally flew his plane into the ground killing thirty three people on board and in two thousand fifteen, a German pilot waited for his copilot to use the bathroom then locked him out of the cockpit. He flew the plane into the side of a mountain, killing all the passengers and crew. Journalist William Longevity lays out the following case for engaged three seventies murder suicide theory. First, and foremost we know that whatever happened to m h three, seventy, it was a deliberate act nothing other than human intervention explains the transponder switching off the u-turn and the cabin pressure. Longevity things. One of the pilots depressurized the plane and incapacitated the passengers and crew but the one place that would have been protected from de-pressurizing was the cockpit. The oxygen masks in the cabin only lasts for fifteen minutes but the ones in the cockpit lasts for hours, which makes sense in case of an emergency, you WanNa make sure the guy flying the plane has plenty of oxygen. It would have been easy for one of the pilots to wait until he was alone in the cockpit before depressurizing the cabin and disabling the electrical system. And this could all be done within a two minute window. Men they manually turned the plane around and flew for over an hour until they were out of radar range. After this, they could have restored cabin pressure took off their oxygen mask and turn the electricity back on which would have trip the SDU to ping the satellites. At this point, the person flying the plane was likely the only one on board still alive but which pilot was it the rookie or the veteran? Based on the evidence the Zahari is the most likely suspect. We know Zahari was fanatical about flying. He even had that flight simulator in his house. Is it really so inconceivable that he learned how to turn the SDU off and on it turns out there is a way that you can do it from inside the cockpit you have to shut down most of the plane's electrical systems, but it is possible you just have to know how And the flight simulator that he had actually provided some clues of its own when investigators took a closer look at Hari simulator there was one test flight that stuck out to them. According to an article in New York, magazine about a month before the disappearance, the Harry flew a simulated flight along a path that was really close to the presumed root of h three seventy. Now, it wasn't identical, but it was close enough to feel kind of like a dry run. And even stranger in all the other simulated flights Hari had done. Oh, always flew the entire route. He sat in front of the simulator from takeoff to landing no matter how many hours it took. Except in this simulated dry run of m h three, seventy, the Hari didn't finish it. It was the. One that he fast forwarded through manually. And at each point, he noted the fuel level running the simulation until he ran out of gas. When investigators spoke with a Hari's friends and family in Kuala, poor may uncovered details to suggest that the pilot may have been clinically depressed and on the day of the disappearance, it would have been easy enough for him to send out of the cockpit to check something for week, would have died with the rest of the flight crew and passengers leaving Zahari free to carry out his final flight undisturbed. In a lot of ways Malaysia Airlines three seventy feels like the case of the century I mean this is literally something that only happens on TV and maybe that's why we're still so obsessed with it we can't. Do that a plane could simply vanish. Hardly anyone believes the theories that the plane was sucked into the Bermuda Triangle or a black hole or some kind of time warp. But how insane is it that the two theories that we actually are left with that have the most evidence or still really off-the-wall. Massive diversion tactic ordered by Vladimir Putin or a mass murder suicide. But Even, those two answers. Neither of them are actually satisfying especially to the hundreds of family members left behind. Instead of closure, they'll just have more questions like why didn't the Malaysian military do anything about that blip and why did they let crews look in the wrong place for so many days Even. If we do find the black box, it won't have those answers and it won't tell those families where their loved ones went. Thanks for listening I'll be back next week. With another episode, you can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcasts originals for free on spotify spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts in one place, and they're making it easier to listen to whatever you want to hear for free on your phone computer smart speaker, and if you like this show follow at podcast on facebook and instagram and at podcast network on twitter. Supernatural was created by Max Cutler and stars. Ashley Flowers and is a podcast studios original. It's executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Kerry. Murphy. With. Production. Assistance by Ron Shapiro and Carly Madden this episode of supernatural was written by Abigail Cannon with Writing Assistance by Cake Gallagher Andrew Cole. Dear more stories hosted by me, Checkout Crime Junkie, and audio originals. Killer nurses, deranged doctors, mad scientists don't forget to check out the new podcast, original series, medical murders every Wednesday meet the worst. 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HAUNTED: The Loudun Possessions

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

35:56 min | 2 months ago

HAUNTED: The Loudun Possessions

"At this point. I think we can all agree that if you isolate people for a long time inside their homes they get a little stir crazy but for most of us that means learning how to homebrew kombucha or teach yourself to salsa not playing host to forty six demons but in sixteen thirty two after months of quarantining during a plague outbreak. The ursuline nuns of done france underwent a terrifying transformation. Their bodies have become home to dozens of demons. What followed was perhaps the most famous case of mass possession in history. So who invited the devil to done. According to the demons themselves it was an unlikely source. Loons very own parish priest This is supernatural apar- cast original. I'm your host ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrences to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episode of supernatural and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify this week. I'm taking an inside. Look at the lou. Done possession from sixteen thirty two to sixteen thirty seven. A group of clergymen repeatedly twenty seven nuns and lay woman at the town's local convent the ladies had infested by an army of demons who claimed they'd made a pact with the local creased. Even today people believe the devil really did come to done. Just knock in the way we originally thought we have all of that and more coming up. Stay with us. Here's a pre episode. Appetizer make dinner time and experience. Not a chore. With blue apron they take the guesswork out of planning delivering. Nutritionist and chef approved recipes that feed your body. Challenge your mind and nourish your soul the best part meal. Start at just seven. Forty nine serving. See what's on this week's menu and get thirty dollars off across your first two deliveries when you visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural in. The fall of sixteen thirty to the town of done is a mess located in western france. The medieval city had been ravaged by about a plague about four thousand. People have died by the time. The outbreak finally starts to die down inside. Ludens new ursuline convent seventeen young nuns and at least ten catholic lower women have been quarantining for months. They've had nothing to do. but fast. Meditate and pray and they don't know it yet but things are about to get weird on september twenty second sixteen thirty two junior nun named sister marked disowned. Monique wakes up to the sound of a male voice coming from inside her room. She looks towards the foot of her bed and sees the shadowy figure of a priest looming over her. he's hunched over holding a white book as her eyes. Adjust martin recognizes that. It's prior musso. The convent priest. who normally takes confessions. There's only one problem. Prior musso is dead in fact he died weeks before but somehow the confessor is not only looking pretty lively. He's weeping at the foot of her bed. The ghost priest claims. He's in great pain and he begs mark to pray to god on his behalf then he offers her a book to read. I'm not sure what the book is. But mark refuses still prior musso continues to stand there crying for a full three hours and more is just absolutely paralyzed. I mean she's so freaked out. She can't even bring herself to get help then. Suddenly the priest just fades away the next morning mark discovers that prior musso appeared to two other nuns at the convent. Apparently he asked them all the same thing to pray for him and to look at his weird book. As far as i know all the nuns refused and prior musso never showed up again but this is just the beginning because over the next weeks. The rest of the women at the convent start having bizarre experiences. Some of them hear voices at night. Invisible hands hit and slap them others have fits of uncontrollable laughter and full body. Convulsions one even report a giant black ball that crashed into her body throwing her to the ground. But it all culminates with their thirty year. Old mother superior a nun named gene gene claims. She's receiving visits from a new ghostly priest and he doesn't ask for help. This mysterious cleric has more amorous intentions instead of crying. He tries to seduce john. Not only is it very weird and creepy. But john has literally taken an oath of celibacy. So this kind of proposal is deeply offensive and overall whatever is attacking. The convent seems to hate their catholic traditions. This story to manifest in different ways for example. The nuns apparently have strong reactions. Whenever they take holy communion their bodies spasm-like. They're rejecting the bread and wine which isn't unheard up to the catholic church. It's a hallmark symptom of demonic possession. Obviously this is freaking everyone out soon enough. Word spreads through done and beyond alarming all the nearby clergy and by october fit nearly two weeks since this all started. Multiple priests have descended on the convent where they immediately begin performing sims. Before the month was over there would be fourteen total at this point. Multiple nuns are acting possessed day after day. The each undergo a grueling extra them sometimes even twice a day. Most of these sessions follow the same script a priest prays over a nun and she starts losing it. She convulses control ably making terrifying faces and swinging her head rapidly back and forth. It's terrifying but less bizarre than how sims go. Apparently a few of the nuns can get a little frisky now. This was sixteen thirty two. So i don't have a lot of details. But one account says the ladies exposed themselves and quote invited lewd behavior and quote. This is definitely strange and to the exorcist. It's further proof that these women literally can't control their actions or the fact that now any time they encounter holy communion they freak out in there are other signs typical of demonic possession. Like the nuns seem to be able to read the priests thoughts and during the exorcisms these speak almost entirely in latin which might seem normal for a none except these ladies don't know latin. They've memorized some prayers but aside from that they never learned the language and another woman. Sister claire are seen floating in mid air for almost fifteen minutes. They can even rise straight to their feet from a lying position without ever bending their body was like vampires standing up from their coffins and as soon as a ritual is over them can't remember a thing they can't recall what they did or what. The demon made them say it's just completely gone. Church officials even invite a bunch of doctors surgeons and apothecary to examine these women and they write the patient's symptoms quote surpassed nature end quote in the case of mothers perio- gene and sister claire. Their pulses never rise above arresting level. And one doctor who examined the women claims they can answer almost any questions put to them including ones having to do with incredibly complex theology if this evidence enough there's the demons themselves as the days go by they start giving their names which are all super say tannock sounding like zevulun roth and behemoth and there's a ton of them. The mother superior has seven living inside her each in. Its own separate body part and when the priests compile a list of names they realized they're dealing with a total of at least forty six distinct demons which is just unheard of even for the catholic church at this point. The priests performing the exes are starting to think. This is some end of day stuff like the town has just been through a plague and now this it feels like a battle for the very soul of lou done possibly even france but what really terrifies. Everyone is how the demons got there in the first place during one session. A demon named zevulun reveals that a priest has invited him and he goes on to say that no priest will be able to get rid of him. The exorcism are stunned. And after this testimony they doubled down on their rituals commanding the demons to give them a name and finally on october eleventh. One spills the beans an unnamed. None is having an exorcism when suddenly the demon inside her speaks up. He says his name is asteroid and he claims a priest has brought him there. The exorcist ask who this priest is and finally the demon hisses a name burn guerande coming up. We'll find out who our bunn gronyea really is high. It's vanessa from podcast. 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That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural now to the story when the demon names or bun grahn. Da most of the foreign priests are like or bunn. Who but to the luda nights everything starts to make sense or bun grahn. Da is a parish priest of loon. He's sort of this divisive figure in town people either love him or can't stand him and you can see why he's handsome smart and good at public speaking but also arrogant and he's been sued multiple times over petty fights like refusing to install a pulpit at his church because he didn't like the way looked but most of all he's a player urban constantly entertaining the rich widows and bachelorettes of luton rumour has it he visits them in their homes and as one source puts. It enjoys their favors. One of these is the daughter of an aristocrat. A young woman named matt allen brew supposedly or bunn became her spiritual adviser translation. He makes her his mistress. Urban is so pro sacks that he authors a pamphlet arguing against church celibacy he draws examples from history and the bible to show that priests can and should be able to marry he even addresses the treatise to madison who he refers to as his dearest concubine so when the demon accuses him the other lou. Done priests feel vindicated if anyone's going to cause trouble in a convent full of isolated. Young women it would be bunn as far as they're concerned this accusation tracks with the evidence. They've already gathered like the mother superior. John claiming that a ghost is trying to seduce her and all the nuns who flashed their exorcists some even report a debilitating desire for urban. A nun named sister agnes recalls day when she and a few other sisters discovered a bouquet of. Musk roses on the convent steps. Urban was nowhere to be seen but when they smelled the flowers they were struck by a great passion for him. Supposedly they wondered around the convent grounds calling out his name and they perched on top of the roofs and climbed up the trees where they stayed for four or five days without eating or drinking just waiting for him to show up an okay sitting in a tree days with no water. Sounds a little hard to believe but the catholic church. Here's these tales and for them it's settled or bun obviously opened the hell mouth in lieu done getting forty six demons through so the church officials moved to the next step finding proof. That our bunn is a sorcerer capable of summoning demons into a holi convent. Meanwhile the lou dina possessions are causing a stir across france. Taurus traveled to the city hall to see the famous nuns and in paris. This news from luton pricks the ears of a very influential figure. His name is cardinal richelieu. Better known as the bad guy from the three musketeers in reality. He's the head of the catholic church. In france and chief minister to king louis the thirteenth riche lose not only for millier with urban. He actively hates him years before a pamphlet surface claiming that king louis was being fooled by his evil counsellors. And while it didn't name any names it pretty clearly meant re shillue now. No one ever proves that our bunn wrote the pamphlet but everyone assumes it was him and they're probably right so when richelieu shillue. Here's the rumor that or bun is a rotten priest. He is thrilled. He sends a lieutenant named baron. Delo bar dema to lou done to investigate undescended seventh sixteen thirty three over a year. Since the demons i accuse or bun. The barron burst into the priest's home in lieu done. He raids the rooms looking for evidence of sorcery and as far as he's concerned he finds it. There's a copy of her buns treatise against celibacy along with a collection of dirty poems written by the priest. The baron even finds a pamphlet in his desk laying out all the reasons why our bunn couldn't have summoned the demons to the barren. This all looks super suspicious. So he has done arrested then. Our bunn just languishes in jail for months while the possessions escalate the number of women grows to a final total of seventeen nuns and ten laywomen. The community becomes so enthralled they even start doing public x.'s. They build a stage in front of the town. Cathedral worth thousands of people gathered day after day to watch. Eventually the most damning piece of evidence comes from one of these exorcisms at this point. It's spring of sixteen thirty four about a year and a half since the possession started a crowd watches as the mother superior. John is dead on stage in chains. The exorcism begins. A demon named as medina's speaks through john. He claims there's a pact between our bunn and ahead demon named leviathan as medina's says the agreement is marked on a piece of paper that spotted with blood and it's hidden somewhere nearby. The exorcist onlookers frantically searched the stage for this document. And there's nothing to be found but later during another exorcism leviathan himself speaks through john. He tells them to look under a bishop who is nearby observing the ceremony. The bishop discovers a piece of paper by his foot and sure enough. It's the smoking gun. They've been looking for blood soaks. The top of the page and the words are written in backwards. Latin translated. It says quote. We the influential lucifer. The young satan be elle's above leviathan alemi and asked raw together with others have today accepted the covenant pact of our bunn. Da who is hours and quote it's even signed by our bunn 'grande the demons and satan himself through john leviathan claims that the blood on the pact comes from her buns right thumb when they check or bunn's hand back at the jail. There's a scar in the exact same spot. Obviously anyone could have done this to or bunn. But it's exactly what the baron is looking for. Indelible proof that our bunn is in league with the devil and in another one of john's exorcisms the demon asthma deis commands the exorcist to search or button for called indolent marks or places on his body. That don't bleed or feel pain as medina's says it will be proved that the priest has dealt with demons like how which is supposedly have marks the devil so doctors are brought into earbuds prison to test him they stick him with long pins in some places even down to the bone now this is both horribly cruel and painful and according to urban he felt every pinprick and blood in every spot but according to the doctors there were a few places on his body where he didn't cry out or at least he didn't cry out enough and that's proof enough for the baron and other church officials by summer there ready to move forward with a trial. The baron gathers a tribunal of judges from the surrounding towns and presents them with an enormous five thousand page file describing everything. That's true fired. So far. and for a seventeenth century court. The proof is pretty compelling. There's the pact with the devil. The scar on her bunn's hand. And the so called indolent marks. of course none of this is actual evidence. It could have all been planted. An or bun himself is adamant he is not a sorcerer. He admits to a weakness of nature as far as his desire for women but he denies having anything to do with the possessions still. It's not enough at dawn. on august. Eighteenth the tribunal announces their judgment. Urban gra n'diaye is guilty of performing magic casting evil spells and encouraging demons to possess the nuns and lay women of boudin. His sentence. death coming up. We'll hear about her buns unusual punishment. Now let's get back to the story. It's not enough for the tribunal to simply execute urban i. He must ask for forgiveness. Of course that would be admitting guilt. So or bunn refuses. Allegedly he writes a response to the judges saying he's innocent and that he hopes he dies worthy. Of god's love so the tribunal move on to the next point they have a hard time believing one man could orchestrate such a mass possession in order to die with a pure heart. They tell her bun he must name his accomplices. Of course. he says he doesn't have any this medieval time. So the tribunal basically says okay. Well then we'll have to torture you and they whisk or bun off to something called the boot. It's basically these fitted wooden cuffs that squeeze or buns legs until his bones or about to break still. He maintains his innocence and swears he has no accomplices so be completely shatter his legs. The next step is to burn or bun alive but here's where he really protests. Torture means nothing he says but he's afraid of the fire. He's worried this fear would make him fall into despair. A mortal sin he believes could prevent him from entering heaven. Surprisingly the tribunal agrees bill. Hang him i. The put our bunn in a cart with a rope around his neck and parade around lou done then they bring him to the town square. Where an estimated six to twelve thousand people are waiting to watch some of the clergy have set up a gallows above a burning funeral pyre and since our bunn can't walk the executioner literally carries him up to the gallows they placed the noose around his neck and our bunn speaks his final words quote. I hope that my god my creator savior and redeemer will pardon me. He alone knows that i am innocent. And quote one of the exorcists lights the fire underneath the scaffold and the executioner polls the trap door but then the very thing or bunn fears happens the rope snaps. He falls into the bonfire and burns alive. It is a horrible way to die but in lieu don. They believe they've done it. The sorcerer is dead evil has been defeated and they can finally go back to their normal demand. Free lives right. well not exactly because even with our bunn dead. The possessions continue for two and a half more years for the twenty seven nuns and lay women it's business as usual two exorcisms a day every day then in early sixteen thirty seven. The unexpected happens on february seventh. The mother superior. John has a dream. She claims she's visited by a beautiful angel with the face of saint joseph. He applies a sav to her side and when she wakes up poof. Everything's back to normal. After nearly five years of convulsions speaking in tongues and daily exorcisms the demons are gone. Just like that back to hell. The priests packed their bags. And the crowds trickle out of lou done. It's over and that's just really suspicious right. John story seems like a super anti-climactic ending for something that's taken done over five years to get rid of but if believe in spiritual entities it might make sense. Remember the demons abby. Lynn claimed that no priest would ever be able to get rid of him. Maybe this was some sort of prophecy and john was the answer all along still even people at the time are suspicious in sixteen thirty four when the possessions are still going on a scottish doctor named mark duncan writes a treatise claiming the entire thing is a product of the nuns imaginations after constant sermons on the devils ability to tempt the righteous. The ladies may have convinced themselves that they were possessed. Perhaps john is even the ringleader as mother superior. She could have persuaded the women underneath her to play along. In fact a nun named sister agnes deed admit to some sort of coercion. Going on according to the exorcism minutes agnes said. She was quote not possessed but they wanted to make her think she was and that they forced her to let herself be exercised quote and peer pressure or not the idea of fake possessions. Start to make a lot more sense. When you think about the context when this whole thing started in september of sixteen thirty two gene and the other women at the convent had been quarantining because of the plague. The months of is a lesion may have caused them to become on more from reality and this tracks with what some people thought when the possessions i started. They basically blamed it on. Mental illness brought on by isolation. Now that's neither here nor there for the catholic church. As far as they're concerned the lou don possessions are a huge victory at the end of the day. It proves that they have the power to cast literal demons back to hell but an eyewitness at the time has his own theory. This is nicholas overdone a protestant minister who observed the public exorcisms range in sixteen ninety. Three overdone publishes his own account of the possessions. He claims the entire thing was an inside job. Meant to take down protestantism and or bunn at the same time. According to oban the catholic establishment feared lou done was slipping into the hands of the protestants in sixteen thirty to the city sits. Near the edge of a protestant controlled region in france and lou done is a melting pot for people of both faiths so the catholic hierarchy makes plan they'll stage a series of exorcisms proving. That catholicism is the mightiest religion meanwhile cardinal richelieu sees another opportunity to get rid of the man he thinks is his vocal critic or bunn. Obin claims the reason why it went on for years. Is that no one not the physician's clergyman or the nuns dared to speak up. Apparently the tribunal for bunn had handed down a court order forbidding. Anyone from so much as disparaging the case anyone found guilty would be put to death so it creates this impossible situation for anyone close to the case which brings us to the crux of this whole conspiracy. The nuns themselves now. There are two ways this could have gone down either. The nuns at louis done really were suffering from a real possession and cardinal richelieu and the catholic church used it as an opportunity to clean house. Who are they were in on it from the beginning as it turns out. This particular monastery was home to many daughters of french. Aristocrats and government officials in fact two of our buns. Accusers were sisters. In law to his chief prosecutor. The baron de low bar duma one was related to cardinal richelieu himself so for all we know the ladies were coerced or forced to pretend they were possessed the ghostly visions and the limitations never happened and the demonic. Were all some sort of ventriloquist trick. That's a lot of effort to go to especially for a powerful establishment like the catholic church. You would think that. As the king's advisor risha luke could have cooked up some other trumped up charge one that wouldn't involve dozens of nuns and priests as actors. Unfortunately we don't know for sure. And even john the steadfast mother superior herself admitted at one point that the possessions were fake supposedly the day after she submitted her deposition for the pending trial. John in the barrens courtyard for two hours. She stood outside his house a rope around her neck and a candle in her hand and when he finally opened the door she ran inside fell to her knees and confessed. That our bunn is innocent then. She ran back out to the courtyard through the rope over a tree branch and tried to strangle herself. The only reason she failed is because the other nuns intervene at the time exorcists considered this as proof of buns influence but it looks a whole lot like someone trying to come clean from a horrible lie so what really happened in lieu done. Maybe cardinal richelieu saw an opportunity in a convent of young politically connected nuns. Or maybe the devil really was active in ludhiana. Most of the time it comes down to whether or not you believe demons are real to begin with but whatever the case. It's important to examine it closely because as the old saying goes. The devil is in the details. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts. All in one place. They're making it easier to listen to whatever you wanna hear for free on your phone computer or smart speaker. Supernatural stars ashley. Flowers in his as spotify original from podcast it's executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by karie murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro and carly madden this. Episode of supernatural was written by molly quinlan with writing assistance by drew. Cole an alley wicker backtracking checking by anya barely and researched by mickey taylor do your more stories hosted by me. Checkout crime. 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MYSTICAL: Nicolas Flamel

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

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MYSTICAL: Nicolas Flamel

"There is nothing permanent except change. That quote comes from the ancient greek philosopher. Heraclitus is just as true today as people were always growing and reinventing ourselves and nowhere is change more evident than the physical world around us. In fact change actually. The crux of one of the oldest sciences in the world alchemy alchemy. Is this ancient field of study that tries to change ordinary metals like lead into gold medieval scientists spent centuries trying to crack it and according to some accounts a fourteenth century alchemist theme nicholas. Flannel actually did This is supernatural a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host. Ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. This week i'm discussing. Th century bookseller and bland therapists named nicholas flannel after decades of struggling to make ends meet. Nicholas mysteriously came into a lot of money. Some historians think he actually discovered the philosopher's stone. An amazing compound that can turn ordinary metal into gold and grant is inventor eternal life. We'll have all of that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f. One fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of best in class on board power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair electric heater. And even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all-new twenty twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This mark can only be called. 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You might not think that just hearing those words can make you crave mcdonald's breakfast but listen. Close nick whittles. Bacon sausage mcmuffin with ed. Just saying it makes me hungry but up. If you're a harry potter fan the name nicholas fla mel is probably bringing some bells for you. Nicholas and his wife. Paranoia are mentioned in jk rollings. I harry potter and the philosopher's stone. They're both over six hundred years old. Because in the novel nicholas has discovered a magical artifact that makes him immortal in the united states. this object is known as the sorcerer's stone but for simplicity. I'm gonna stick to the british term philosopher's stone now supposedly this stone is incredibly powerful legends about it have been around for about two thousand years. They say it has the power to turn any metal into gold. And it's connected to this beverage called the of life which keeps you alive forever. It's not super clear of the philosopher's stone makes the elixir. Or if it actually is the elixir or if the recipe for the stone is close enough to the elixir. That if you can make one you can make the other either way. The central idea is consistent. If you discover the philosopher's stone you can become immortal. Ancient accounts describe the stone. Bright red and it wasn't really a stone at all. it was actually more like a powder or a fluid something you'd add to a bubbling vile to create anything. You want and i do mean anything. See alchemists just trying to get rich and achieve immortality. They were trying to unlock the fundamental secrets of the universe. Like why lead is led and knock gold or why me and not someone else and the idea was that with a for stone you could transform anything or anyone into whatever you want it. And it's not like there's just one stone because according to out chemical tradition you can actually make a philosopher's stone so researchers weren't necessarily trying to locate one. They were trying to create it. Supposedly the closest anyone ever got was this guy named nicholas flannel. I can't say a whole lot about nicholas early life except that he was born around thirteen thirty near paris and just like in. Jk rowling's book. He really was married to a woman named paranal. This was paranoid third marriage and she'd been widowed twice before and between her inheritances and nicholas is job. The two of them had a comfortable lifestyle but they weren't rich. Dad help make ends meet. Nicholas worked in paris as a bookseller which actually meant something different than what it does. Now nicholas did more than run a shop. He actually league made the books meaning. If he found an interesting tax he would hand write copies then them into volumes that he could then sell. This was a big deal because in the fourteenth century a lot of people didn't even know how to read so nicholas had to have received an education at some point but it's hard to say how or why because again he didn't seem particularly wealthy but then one night everything changed. According to legend nicholas supposedly had this strange dream in it. An angel appeared to him and handed him a book with a distinctive cover. He could tell just from looking at it that it was very old. The pages were thick and it was bound together with copper fastening which was really unusual in the middle ages. Book covers were usually made of wood and leather. So the fact that someone used my precious metal meant it was released. Special nicholas wanted to take a closer look so he reached for the book but the angel refused. They told nicholas quote one day. You will see in it that which no other man will be able to see end quote and as soon as he heard those words nicholas woke up weeks went by and nicholas couldn't stop thinking about this dream and every day when he stepped into his shop. He skimmed the shelves thinking. Maybe the book was just going to appear. Of course it never did until one day in thirteen fifty seven when nicholas was probably in his late twenties. A strange man walked into the shop with a book that looked exactly like the one from his dream. The man asked for two floor which is probably about fifty dollars today but keep in mind. Books were super rare and expensive. So this was actually a good deal. Nicholas agreed to the price and as soon as the stranger left he started flipping through the pages they were made of bark not paper and the book wasn't very long just twenty one pages split into three equal segments of seven pages. Each the last page of each section was covered in these reared intricate pictures. Think like snakes twining round crosses and staffs a bubbling fountain in the middle of a desert a group of dragons going tree on a hill. Nicholas could tell that this all meant something but he didn't know what so. He skimmed the other pages for an explanation and he couldn't read any of them. This book was full of weird symbols and a few sections and other languages mainly hebrew. Nicholas didn't know what they said but gradually he started to put together a theory. I mean remember this guy sold and transcribed books for a living and nicholas knew that he'd see me symbols in other texts specifically al chemical works. Which is how nicholas realized. He was holding a guide on how to turn lead into gold coming up nicholas devotes his life to alchemy high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. If you haven't had a chance to check out my series mythology you don't know what you're missing heroes. Gods monsters and mayhem this podcast. Has it all every tuesday. 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But now he made it his life's mission to decipher the tax and hopefully use it as a guide to create his own philosopher's stone. The problem was nicholas. Didn't speak a word of hebrew. It wasn't an option for him to just find a native speaker in france. Because at the time anti semitism was a huge problem authorities had launched programs to harass and intimidate jewish citizens. So by this point a bunch of people had fled the country and those who stayed were naturally suspicious of their neighbors so nicholas couldn't find anyone in paris who was fluent in hebrew much less willing to talk to him. He literally spent the next twenty one years searching without success. Eventually nicholas figured that he could connect with a jewish community in another country and around thirteen. Seventy eight or so. He headed to spain. Where a lot of the french jewish refugees had resettled. He figured he might find someone there who felt safe enough to talk to him and if he was lucky he might even track down a jewish or occultist who could interpret some of these strange symbols to nicholas spent weeks trying to ingratiate himself with the jewish community in spain. He carried copies of some of the pages from his book with him and he asked everyone he met if they could help him but all the people he spoke to turn their backs on him. Which isn't that surprising. When translated the first page of the book warned that if anyone besides a priest or a scribe read it. They'd be cursed. It's possible but nicholas figured the heck's win apply to him because he was technically a scribe or maybe he didn't realize what it said because again he didn't read hebrew but the refugees weren't going to risk it and eventually nicholas got tired of all of the doors slamming his face. He turned around and headed back to paris with through an incredible stroke of luck. Nicholas found what he was looking for on the journey home. He somehow heard about this guy named metre coach. Metra college was catholic but he grew up jewish and he was familiar with jewish. Mystical philosophy. Called kabala so not only. Could he help nicholas. He'd probably be interested in what the book said to nicholas visited metric in lyon france. And the second metro consciously is on the pages. He knew exactly what he was looking at. Apparently this book was legendary. In the al chemical community and supposedly the texts had been lost for generations before that point naturally match a conscious excited he immediately agreed to help nicholas and even offered to travel back to paris with him while they were on the road bachelor Nicholas everything he knew about kabbalah the hebrew language and alchemy which ended up being fortunate because before they even got to paris match konczal sick and died. It was unfortunate but the good news was that match or college had taught. Nicholas everything he needed to know before he passed away so even though nicholas was sad to lose a mentor. He believed that moving forward. He had the information he needed to defeat death forever. He just had to put matra conscious teachings into practice as soon as he got back home. Nicholas finally started translating the books hebrew. Unfortunately the techs still didn't make much sense because everything was communicated in symbols and metaphor but the kabbalah principles that mattress taught him or useful enough that he could slowly piece it together when nicholas was in his early fifties. He wrote an entry in his diary about this amazing discovery that he made on april twenty fifth. Thirteen eighty two. And if you can make it past the formality it seems to imply that he invented the philosopher's stone it said quote i made a projection of the philosopher's stone upon half a pound of mercury which i- transmuted truly into about the same quantity of pure gold most certainly better than ordinary gold. Being more soft and more pliable and quote in other words not only did nicholas have philosopher's stone. He was using it to make gold so it sounds like he really had unlocked the biggest mystery of alchemy and now he could create anything he wanted. Which okay i know. This sounds pretty unlikely. But there is some circumstantial evidence that really does make it. Seem like nicholas had his hands on something incredible for one thing right around this time nicholas and parallel started donating a lot of money to charity as in enough to build facilities for the un housed and three new chapels throughout france plus big to a local cathedral in paris and helped finance fourteen different hospitals. The donations were so low Nicholas even caught the attention of france's king charles the six and if he reached out to nicholas to ask where all his money had come from nicholas must have had a good cover story to avoid investigations for fraud but other people were still suspicious before this point nicholas and paranoia weren't exactly wealthy but now nicholas was giving away so much money. The city of paris eventually named after him and one of the shelters that he built is still standing. Today it is be older stonehouse in all of paris. Which tells you that he wasn't cutting costs. This guy had to be loaded naturally. People were speculating on where the money could have come from. And it wasn't long before people rumored that nicholas had created a philosopher's stone. Meanwhile nicholas just keeps on making these big ticket purchases some of them for himself to like for example in fourteen ten or so nicholas designed his own gravestone. It was covered in lavish artwork depicting three wise. Spend with halos around their heads. They were posing with a key. A star and a mysterious container with a cross on top. These images. All have symbolic meaning alchemy. It's hard to say what they mean though because alchemy is all about secret messages either way. It seemed odd for him to be thinking about his tomb at all because as far as anyone could tell he wasn't sick or anything. I mean nicholas was about eighty years old at this point which was pretty incredible. Given how low life expectancy was at the time but by all accounts he was in amazing health. Almost super naturally so and this wasn't the only time he acted weird about his future debt. Roughly six years later in fourteen sixteen nicholas wrote a will. He decided that most of his wealth would go to charity. Plus he'd leave a generous inheritance for a nephew. Obviously this doesn't sound like someone who's unlock the secrets of eternal life. If anything nicholas seemed preoccupied with dying and turns out all of his advance planning was totally warranted because within a year or two he passed away. He was buried next to his wife. Paranal inside a cathedral right next door to the bookshop were. He'd worked all his life but just a few months. After nicholas's funeral these rumors started to circulate. People claimed he couldn't be dead because supposedly he had the philosopher's stone and presumably. He used it to create the elixir of life or some other potion that could grant him immortality. Gossip seem even more prevalent than when he was alive to the point that even his neighbours who had known him for years were speculating that nicholas and paranal faked their own deaths. It wasn't long before a local priest caught wind decided he had to put a stop to the gossip. I'm not sure why he disliked alchemy. Or maybe he worried that if nicholas wasn't really deceased the church might lose some of its inheritance. But whatever the reason but clergyman had to prove that nicholas was dead so about a year after nicholas's alleged burial. He apparently hired a couple of grave robbers to dig up his coffin. It's safe to assume they waited for nightfall to commit the crime while the rest of paris was sleeping. The criminals slipped into the cathedral and as soon as the grave robbers stepped inside. You can imagine they were tempted. By the candlesticks. The alms boxes and some holy relics from saint james himself which legend says were hidden in the church but they stayed the course to the far end of the nave where they saw a set of gravestones. The priest probably told them in advance. What nicholas is tomb. Look like and it would have been hard to miss with all the intricate artwork so they started to dig and they didn't stop digging until they unearth nicholas's coffin and his wife's but when they cracked mccaskey's both of them were empty coming up. We'll explore nicholas his life after he faked his death row. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f. One fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of best in class on board power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair electric heater. And even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new two thousand twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. 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Forty nine per serving get eighty dollars off across your first for delivery and distress with simple delicious dinners visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural now back to the story. Nobody knows what happened to nicholas and paranal after they allegedly faked their deaths. That had to be by design. I mean you don't pretend to be dead and bury an empty coffin if you want to be found for a few decades after their funerals full eye-witnesses claimed they'd spotted the couple in india. But it's hard to verify those accounts because most of them were anonymous. There is one secondhand report. However it came from an eighteenth century researcher and an author named paul lukas in seventeen fourteen palmetto. A man who claimed he was personal friends with nicholas. We don't know this other guy's name. So i'm going to refer to him as monsieur monsoon told paul that nicholas and paranoia. Were still alive. Even though they would have both been well over three hundred years old they and monse your were three of the seven people in all of history who unlocked the secrets of the philosopher's stone. They all kept changing their names and moving around so nobody would notice that they didn't age or die and they'd all get together every twenty years to catch up now. I know this sounds pretty hard to believe. But paul thought months yours testimony was really compelling in fact he told other people about the encounter and word spread until a journalist wrote an article proposing that months. You're was actually nicholas. Heat adopted this new identity to hide the fact that he was immortal. Of course nobody was able to locate. Monse you're to get his style of the story. But not long after the meeting between paul and monse. You're the strange figure started popping up all over europe. He was called the count of sandra ma. And that's pretty much all we know about him. No one knows for sure where he came from or really anything about his early life. There's a ton of information about the counts adult life that's because he showed up at basically every important event during this period of european history. He was a spy for a group of english. Rebels called the jacko bites allegedly. He helped catherine the great throw. Her husband's czar. Peter the third of russia. Some even think he founded freemasonry on top of that. The count was an accomplished chemist. Who claimed to know the secrets of alchemy. Just like nicholas did. According to rumors he even worked closely with a friend to write a pamphlet detailing his out chemical knowledge in the seventeen eighty s and much later. He allegedly collaborated with two students to write and publish entire book on his findings but the most compelling detail is that a bunch of the people who met the count noticed that he didn't seem to age supposedly. His appearance didn't change at all from seventeen. Forty five to seventeen eighty nine. That's forty four years without a single new gray hair or wrinkle. And i should note. The last sighting of account was in seventeen eighty nine. That's five years after. He reportedly died that day. He supposedly had a long conversation with an old friend. So it's not like someone mistook him for a look alike at a distance or something. Plus there are records from seventeen. Eighty five just one year after his death. That showed the count sitting in on a freemasons meeting. So as near as anyone can tell he must have faked his death to assume yet. Another identity which sounds a lot like nicholas's alleged imo in fact a lot of people who knew what nicholas in paranoia like. he's spotted the couple before the counts debt. According to rumors they both attended a show at the paris opera. Sometime in the seventeen hundreds all of the gossip must have inspired nicholas to lilo because after the late seventeen hundreds he disappeared for a few hundred years but he seemed to pop up again in nineteen twenty six. This time going by fula ca nellie bullock. Kelly is a pen name that someone used to publish a book called the mystery of the cathedral's it's a tough re because it uses a ton of symbolism and metaphor but allegedly text close enough. You can decipher how chemical secrets in it. Foolish finale wrote two more books after this one but only one got published because he destroyed his third manuscript before it could be distributed. Talk to say why though in fact it's hard to say much of anything definitive about four canal. Nobody's clear on how old he was or where he came from. Or what his real name. What's based on a few conversations with one of his students. Who helped publishes books. We know he lived in paris and that he had a wife. And that's it. It's not much to go on. But it does fit a pattern that nicholas set and that the count continued. They're all frenchman. Who made a splash by sharing their out chemical knowledge but only with people who were studious enough to decode the secrets. That's not exactly definitive proof but if you believe nicholas is immortal. The clues seem to add up. Some people even think that nicholas was actually one of the most famous scientists of all time isaac newton. It's not super common knowledge but when he wasn't discovering the three laws of motion or founding entirely new fields of mathematics newton was obsessed with alchemy and the philosopher's stone. He transcribed more than a million words worth of ancient out chemical knowledge during his studies to be fair. We know a lot about newton's early life there are records that specify when and where he was born and his parents names and professions. We even know where he went to school. So it's pretty unlikely that a centuries old bookseller created isaac newton's identity from scratch overall. The story of nicholas flannel is a lot to take in. Especially in the twenty first century when most of alchemy has been debunked. I mean you could extract gold from other compounds that already contain it. But there's no way that a stone could turn lead into a precious metal or create a magic potion that grants immortal life on top of that a lot of historians think nicholas even bothered to study alchemy a lot of the details about his story like the dream with the angel. The book of secrets and his md grave never made it into the public record until centuries after his death. It's actually a lot safer to assume. He was an ordinary bookseller. Maybe he married richer than he was given credit for made generous donations to charity later in life. And then this massive legend sprung up after his death. I don't know where the truth lies. But if nicholas was an alchemist at the very least we owe him and other medieval alchemists a ton. I mean without their research. We wouldn't have chemistry. Alchemists were the first people to discover phosphorus. Their findings about different kinds of metals literally laid the groundwork for the earliest periodic table. So much of what we know about the natural world today is built on old al chemical research which means that some level alchemy israel whether you can use it to create gold or grant yourself. Eternal life is up for debate. But who knows maybe nicholas figured out something that the rest of us haven't in waller busy reinventing ourselves maybe he's out there to always adapting but never looking a day over eighty eight Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. 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DISAPPEARED: Percy Fawcett

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DISAPPEARED: Percy Fawcett

"These days it's hard to imagine. There's a single corner of the globe that hasn't been discovered yet. In fact more than half of the planet surface is still a complete unknown and one of the most mysterious regions is the amazon rainforest. Think to millions where miles of dense jungle over ten percent of the world's species live there comprising earth's most complex ecosystem and thanks him penetrable underbrush deadly predators tropical diseases and an inhospitable climate. We still haven't scratched the surface of what the region holds but in nineteen twenty. Five one explorer named percy fawcett tried to unlock some of its secrets percy plunged into the depths of the amazon jungle to look for an ancient mythical city and in the process. He went missing without a trace This is supernatural a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host. Ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrences to try and figure out the true. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. And if you like what. You're hearing reach out on facebook and instagram. At and twitter parkas network. This week. i'm talking about an explorer named percy fawcett. He explored the amazon jungle looking for a hidden civilization called the lost city of zet as for weather. He founded nobody knows because he never came back. But some people believe percy did find what he was looking for and step through a gateway into another round. I'll talk about all of that in just a bit. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by ford f. One fifty the all new f one fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of best in class on board power. That's enough to power a big screen. Tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair. Electric heater and even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all-new twenty twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. 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But he comes from a good pedigree. His father and his brother were both explorers. And percy has studied with the royal geographical society which is literally a school for one be adventurers. He's put in all this work. Because percy has always dreamed of being a surveyor. And he's not going to let anything get in his way for. This border mapping mission. He takes a mule train through the andes mountains during a blizzard. Rafts down uncharted rivers and bushwacks through a region so deadly it's called the railroad of the dead the whole time though. He is just brimming with excitement. Well his companions are griping about disease-carrying mosquitoes and the lack of fresh game. Percy's having the time of his life at one point he encounters a giant anaconda and that doesn't even phase him he just cuts off a piece of its skin while it's still alive to send back to europe for studying. I mean percy can not be deter. He was born this kind of work. Bless percy is charming everywhere he goes. He befriends the amazonian tribes people. This unusual because a lot of his contemporaries think that the inhabitants of the amazon jungle. These brutes who need to be wiped off the face of the earth but percy considers himself their defender. He refuses to let his colleagues should or kill the indigenous people even in self defense. The problem is percy still thinks of the members of the amazonian tribes as backwards and undeveloped. So when they show off their skills in hunting and agriculture percy doesn't take this as a sign of their intelligence or ingenuity he figures. The amazonian must have learned these practices from a different more advanced civilization. That's hidden somewhere in the depths of the jungle. And he actually has a couple of facts that he thinks backs up this idea. He's heard from missionaries and other explorers that locals keep making references to this lost city. That's in the rain forest. They say that it used to be a thriving metropolis but all its inhabitants died or disappeared. And now all that's left are ruins. So percy figure is that maybe this ancient vanished. Culture is the same society that taught the amazonian tribes. How to hunt and farm. Now he's not the only one to reach this conclusion. For centuries before percy came along european explorers all swarmed through the region looking for something called el dorado which is a legendary city of gold and none of them found anything. But things are different with percy for one thing he doesn't buy into the idea that there is a literal gold settlement. He's basing his theories on the locals more modest accounts plus a few shards of pottery and other artifacts he uncovers during his trip he figures. There's probably some ancient ruins in the amazon jungle which he dubs the lost city of zet. Now this lost city if it exists is important for a couple of reasons. The main one is that it could completely redefine. Everyone's understanding of life in the amazon. See there are a ton of different tribes in the jungle. But they're all fairly small and fairly scattered. Most scientists believe it's impossible for a complex society to form in the region. There's just too many predators and diseases. And not enough food but percy figures if there is a metropolis deep in the rainforest that says something pretty incredible about the human spirit it means people can flourish anywhere. They can overcome whatever challenges that nature throws at them. So the question law city isn't just about archaeological curiosity percy's theory. Say something about how he sees the world and humanity's place in it. He wants to prove that people are more than ordinary dumb animals. And he's going to find the metropolis to prove it. So he spends every spare moment. He can talking to the indigenous people digging for old relics and collecting artifacts. Now i don't know. Exactly what he uncovers because percy is notoriously secretive. He's so worried someone else is going to beat him to the ruins. He goes to extreme lengths to try and throw people off his trail. Which means nobody really knows what he finds. Or how compelling the evidence is but somehow in the midst of his journey to the border and all his surveying work percy also desai's that he knows where this ancient city is. The problem is going to be getting to it now again. It's not clear where percy thinks that is located but it's almost guaranteed that he'll have to wade through parana infested waters skinner over patches of quicksand or sneak in and out of hostile territory. That's all par for the course when it comes to the amazon and of course he's going to need companions and supplies for the journey and that means he needs money so as soon as he wraps up the boundary dispute and gets back to europe he starts fundraising. The good news is people are super willing to support him because they're also impressed with his work on the surveying job. I mean this mission was supposed to take like two years and percy wrapped it up in one. This really cemented his reputation as an incredible matmaker an explorer. All the positive. Buzz makes it pretty easy for percy to get a group of mounted explorers together and before long. He leads them back into the jungle. He is determined to find the lost city of said but the journey doesn't go well like at all. In fact most of his companions get sick or injured. There isn't enough to eat. The insects are just devouring them in the sweltering heat and incessant rainfall makes everything miserable. They barely make any progress. Before percy and his team have to turn back the make another disastrous expedition that fails again and this time as soon as they emerged from the jungle b. Find out that world. War one has broken out percy immediately enlist and he spends the next four years fighting on the western front but in nineteen twenty. He raises enough money to go looking for the lost city again. At one point. During his latest trip percy stops by a remote outpost. That's deep in the jungle. He'd managed to get his meal forwarded there including a letter from his son. Jack and jack claims that he had a prophetic dream. That one day he's going to walk into an ancient temple. Just like the one in the lost city of said. Now percy's the sort of guy who takes visions and predictions really seriously. So i've got it. Imagine this makes him feel more driven than ever. The problem is the rest of the team doesn't feel nearly as optimistic. They're convinced they're all going to starve or get sick or killed. After only a month they. All turn on percy and insist that they have to turn back he wants to keep going. But it's not like he can survive in the jungle alone so percy calls it quits and returns to europe once again. But he still doesn't give up. He does another round of fundraising and finally in nineteen twenty five. He is ready to mount his final search for the lost city now. This expedition is going to be different from anything else he's ever done before. Percy doesn't want to lead dozens of men to their death so he's only heading out with two companions his son jack. And jack's friend rally remmel. The three of them are going to journey into the amazon jungle alone and on april twentieth. The trio load their gear onto their horses and ride into the wilderness. They figure they're either gonna find knee ancient city or they're gonna die trying coming up the little. We know about percy's final adventure listeners. I am thrilled to tell you that. This month marks a huge milestone for podcast. It's the four year anniversary of another fantastic podcast. I host called serial killers. 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One fifty the all new f. One fifty is available with seven point two kilowatts of best in class on board power. That's enough to power big-screen tv loudspeakers refrigerator massage chair electric heater and even your beloved nacho cheese warmer all at once introducing the all new twenty twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. F one fifty explore the all new two thousand twenty one f one fifty four dot com slash trucks slash one fifty classes full-sized pickups under eighty five hundred pounds gb. Wr see owner's manual for important instructions. Now back to the story. So percy and his two companions. Jack and raleigh are headed into the amazon jungle. They're not exactly sure where to look for the lost city of zad but they think they have a general sense of the direction they need to go now. Percy knows better than to try and get through the rainforest alone so they hire a couple of local porters to accompany them on their first leg of the journey but percy's so anxious to get to the fable town. He keeps outpacing his guides. One day he spurs his horse so far ahead that when the rest of the team reaches a fork in the path they have no idea where percy's gone the end up setting up camp right at that intersection. Hoping percy will show up before nightfall but the sun sets and he still missing jack in raleigh. Start to worry that something has happened to him. But there's not much they can do so an entire night passes. Everyone's so nervous. They don't sleep at all and when morning comes. All of a sudden percy trots up on his horse. He tells everyone that he got so excited the night before. He didn't even notice that they had fallen behind. By the time he realized he was lost. It was too late so he just slept all alone on the ground. Now the worst. Part of this is percy. Doesn't even seem to notice how much danger he was in. I mean he spent the entire night alone he didn't have a tent in a territory that's swarming with jaguars and caymans and hostile tribes. And now he still wants to keep up his incredibly aggressive pace. But as optimistic as percy is his companion seem less than enthusiastic i mean. Raleigh has an infected wound on his foot so he can barely walk. And jack's pretty irritable. In general but percy still insists that they're going to succeed. He won't clarify why he so confident and his guides probably think he's a bit delusional. I mean the next stop on their journey is a waterway. That's literally called the river of death. The porter's aren't too keen on this leg of the journey. And they decide that. This is the right time to part ways with the british explorers. Before they go percy jack and raleigh write letters to their loved ones back at home and the amazonian agreed to have them delivered and that is the last time anyone ever hears from them in his final note to his wife. Nina percy says that he knows he might die but he doesn't think it's likely he even writes quote by the time this dispatch is printed. We shall have long since disappeared into the unknown. You need have no fear of any failure and quote when nina receives the letter. It probably eases her mind. I mean percy sounds really optimistic so she waits for the next update for a few weeks which then becomes a few months but it never arrives. Nina holds out. Hope maybe he's just too deep in the jungle to get any more letters out. Even as the months turned to years. Nina refuses to give up. She keeps checking for telegrams every day thinking any time now percy's going to reach out and tell her that he's fine. When the royal geographical society starts talking about declaring him missing and maybe mounting a rescue expedition she fights them she insists that nothing is wrong after all his first expedition was supposed to be a year and a half. Long and percy hasn't even been gone much longer than that. I mean for all anyone knows percy might have actually found the law city of debt if he's staying with the inhabitants and learning about their culture. The last thing he needs is for some rescue team to come barging in so nina keeps insisting that her husband's going to return in triumph and she doesn't want anyone under that by hinting that he's dead or hurt or lost but you've gotta think that she starting to worry and she does not wanna doubt her husband in public so nina starts inquiring about him through traditional channels specifically she consults psychics like dozens of them. One mystic says she can feel percy's presence in the room even though he doesn't seem to be bound to his body anymore the spirit says that he's still alive another day a different psychic claims. That jack's spirit is floating in the room and he promises that he's going to come back and see his mom again someday. These accounts really resonate with nina. She figures if her son and husband had passed away. She'd know instead. Something in her gut tells her to hold onto. Hope that percy and jack in raleigh all still out there regardless of whether they're alive or dead they have to be somewhere so finally the royal geographical society overrule nina's objections to mounting a rescue operation. Be dispatched this man. Named george miller dot in february nineteen twenty eight which is about two and a half years after percy's disappearance now. George is really experienced with this sort of adventure. He's also kind of a daredevil like he actually test piloted one of the first ever airplanes and he's truck through the amazon a few times in the past so he builds a team based on his own assumptions about what makes for a good explorer that means his companions are all male and they're all single because he believes marriage makes meant soft and in the spring. He leads them into the jungle. It takes a few months. But eventually george makes contact with a tribe called the new who kwa been a hoopoe. Were some of the last people to ever see percy alive and they have bad news. They say an enemy tribe captured and killed him. The problem is when george asam follow of questions his contacts keep changing the details. Like i say i got beheaded and then. They say he was shot. George can tell that he's not getting the full story and so he decides to keep searching maybe than a hookah are lying and percy's still alive but even if he's not at least george can find out what really happened to him. Before george leaves their land the tribes people give him a warning. The nearby region is sui territory and the studios are incredibly hostile and dangerous. But george ignores their advice and plunges forward which turns out to be a mistake a group of amazonian warriors captured george and his colleagues almost immediately and he only manages to keep himself alive by promising. He's going to his captors a bunch of gifts in the morning then in the middle of the night when everyone is asleep. His team sneaks out of the village. They don't stop until they're out of the amazon completely. And when george gets back to england he insists that an unspecified amazonian tribe killed percy which is a claim that you have to take with a grain of salt. I mean george was skeptical of the new hoop was accounts before he reached soviet territory and he didn't exactly find new evidence to change his mind. It kind of seems like he just said percy was dead to save face either way. Nobody is any closer to finding out what really happened. They're not even one hundred percent confident. Percy's in trouble of you people seriously. Entertain the idea that percy's in the lost city either way expedition after expedition plunges into the jungle hoping to find percy's team or at least their bodies now keep ing wasn't great at the time and there's no list of exactly who went looking for them but we know a bunch of would be rescuers never made it out of jungle. Roughly a hundred people and some of them die in really gruesome ways they contract tropical diseases or get murdered by indigenous tribes or starve but a bunch. Just disappear without a trace. Exactly like percy did in nineteen thirty four. The brazilian government stops giving people. Permission to go. Looking for percy i mean it's been nine years tons of people have died and still. Nobody has a clue how his journey ended. It looks like percy's mystery will never be solved but that all changes in nineteen fifty one that year. An amazonian tribe called the callapollo actually confesses. But they killed percy and even show a brazilian government official his skeleton to prove it. You think that that would settle the matter. But it doesn't because at some point a member of london's royal anthropological institute examines the bones and this person notices that the teeth in the skull don't match percy's dental records. Plus the skeleton is about six inches shorter than it should be. So they conclude that these bones couldn't have come from percy fawcett once the institute releases their findings the callapollo admit that they didn't kill percy. The skeleton was one of their elders. They lied to discourage more search and rescue teams from venturing into the rainforest and dying on a fruitless mission. And okay this is a wild length to go to to keep people out of the jungle. You gotta wonder like. Did they really lie in order to save explores lives or they have some other reason to want people to stay away. Because it is possible. Percy was on the right track some people still think he went missing because he bound the lost city of said and they say they have a prophecy to prove it coming up. The truth about the lost city already broke your new year's resolution. Maybe it's time to try something new. That's where blue apron comes in with. Recipes that are chef created and nutritionist approved. Blue apron. Lets you choose your own adventure. There's no axis planning or shopping so you can spend more time being present and actually enjoy the process of creating a home cooked meal if last year has taught us anything. 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Ner tech. obt is a prescription medication for the acute. not preventive treatment of migraine and adults. Don't take allergic to near tech t. The most common side effect was nasha. For more information including important safety information patient information and prescribing information visit ner tek dot com. That's n. u. r. t. e. c. dot com. Talk to your doctor about near tech obt today Now back to the story. There are a couple of reasons that it's so hard to say. What happened. Percy jack in raleigh. I there's a wealth of misinformation and lies surrounding the circumstances of the disappearance. Most of which come from percy himself remember he was terrified that some other explorer would get the law city before him so he fudged the details in his journals and letters to make sure nobody can know what he discovered about its location. We don't even know where he was headed when he vanished but based on a few hints in his letters and testimony from the last people who saw him alive. We can make an educated guess as near as anyone can tell he probably believed that the lost city of said was somewhere in the wrong could were mountains in brazil. Those mountains are legendary among mystics. Occultist i mean. local legends. Say that the range is inhabited by these mysterious on a magical creatures. Sometimes the region's indigenous people stumble on footprints and handprints that look identical to humans except each has six fingers and toes plus there. Is this lake at the base of the mountains called lagola and cantata which translates to enchanted lagoon. According to legend nothing can live in. its waters. No fish no snakes no bugs and nothing and the locals refused to swim or take boats out because some kind of supernatural force pulls every living thing into it's depths if you were to somehow crossed the water you'd reach a cave entrance that leads deep into the roncador 's allegedly monsters live in the cavern. Pale skinned six fingered creatures. That come from another world and there is a legend that any person who sets foot in the roncador tunnels instantly disappears. So maybe that's why percy vanished. Because he got swept away in the roncador cates. Except there's just one problem. This is open wilderness. There's no city in the roncador mountains but maybe the lost city of said doesn't exist in the physical world at all purse. He thought that was a possibility. See before he began exploring the amazon. Percy was a student of a mystic. And a psychic named helena petrovna bobowski. She liked to go by h. p. b. and she basically founded modern spiritualism. hp b.'s teachings center around these powerful spiritual beings who can literally shape the course of the universe they have abilities like medium ship fortune telling and prophecy supposedly students and followers flocked to these mystical leaders. And when they attain a certain amount of power be form communities called white lodges. Hp's followers say that. Atlantis used to be a white lodge and so was ancient egypt since south america has pyramid. That look a lot like the ones in egypt. A lot of spiritualists figure there's an undiscovered white lodge. Somewhere there to percy believed. The lost city of said was a white lodge. He shared a few of his theories in this spiritualist journal. Called the occult review. At one point he says it might contain quote the treasures of the invisible world. It sounds like he's hinting that the missing town isn't a physical city at all. It might be more of like a portal something that can ferry you beyond the earth to this invisible world of the spiritual realm. So if percy found this portal in the roncador caves maybe he went through it. That could explain why he and jack appeared to the mediums outside their bodies because they were transformed into something. That wasn't quite human. And that's just my interpretation in nineteen sixty eight. This guru named udo look nur declared that percy had walked through a portal into another universe and huda was going to lead his followers through the same gateway. He creates a compound right near the mouth of the shingle river. Which is where. Percy probably disappeared. And he predicts that in nineteen eighty two. The earth is going to be destroyed but he his followers will escape the apocalypse by fleeing into the wrong door caves and going through the portal which obviously didn't happen but isn't the only doomsday prophet. Whose zeroed in on the roncador mountains. In the past century tons of colts and spiritualist movement have sprung up in the region and a bunch of them. Say that percy never died. He found the lost city and became some kind of spiritual being that dwells in the white lodge. Someday he's going to emerge from the caverns with other worldly knowledge and change the fate of humanity. Now i know all of that sounds really out there. But there's no way to argue against it because even today we still don't know what's inside the wrong door caves. Part of that is because they're super hard to get to. The local tribe hasn't had much contact with the outside world and brazilian authorities are trying to keep it that way so you can't enter their territory without a very expensive permit. That's notoriously difficult to get. That hasn't stopped some people from making their way into the caverns one time. A brazilian reporter apparently let a whole tv news crew into the tunnels they recorded every step into the darkness through the winding passageways but then all of a sudden the cameras and lights all abruptly failed for no reason the reporter and his crew had to retreat later on two thousand eight. A blogger tried to follow in percy's footsteps but just before he could go into the caverns. The indigenous people demanded he leave their territory. He complied and that was probably for the best. Because according to legend the other local tribes are so protective of the cave. Bill kill anyone who sees it secrets. Another legend says the indigenous people. Don't kill visitors. They just never leave the roncador caverns alive. The midst doesn't say what happens to them but it sounds consistent with the idea that the caves have some kind of portal to another world which does explain why percy and his crew and so many people who went looking for them seemed to disappear without a trace. After all it's not that ridiculous to think. Percy could have actually found the lost city of said. He really did know what he was talking about. When it came to mapping and survey he was instrumental in mapping south america and he surveyed thousands of miles of the jungle. The royal geographical society gave him their most prestigious honor for his work plus his theories about the lost city weren't totally baseless for decades after his disappearance. Researchers kept discovering these manmade mounds in the jungle. They couldn't tell who made them or even why but it seemed like there had been a civilization in the area in two thousand eighteen. A team of archaeologists decided to solve the mystery they compile all these satellite images and that's when they realize there is an ancient for city deep in the amazon jungle. It's in mato grosso. Brazil which is exactly where many people believe percy was exploring this forgotten metropolis might have been home to one million residents and i mean for context at the time that was more than the populations of london paris and beijing combined the inhabitants of disappeared. Sometime around fifteen hundred. Ad in that word disappeared could be literal because researchers haven't found any mass graves. Like you'd expect it. They just died now. This might just be because the jungle is dense and full of scavengers but a million bodies just vanishing miss kind of hard to believe. There's still a lot. We don't know about this ancient civilization or what happened to it. The timing suggests the people might have been wiped out by the first wave of deadly european diseases but again it's weird that there aren't any graves or there wasn't a single survivor to tell the story of what happened. I mean we don't even know what this city was called. It's all just really strange. But the point is percy was right. There was an ancient lost city. So maybe he's right about the other parts of his theory to maybe when smallpox and measles started to sweep through the region. The people in the city fled to the roncador mountains. All one million people disappeared into the caves or dot swept up into the white lodge. After all where else could they have gone matching you wake up one day. In every person in austin just poof gone and then afterward nobody ever even mentions these missing people. Nobody has theories about where they are or were they went or it happened to them it becomes his unmentionable thing. The white lodge idea sounds pretty outlandish. But i'm having a hard time coming up with any rational scenario where this was. Just one thing is clear. The roncador mountains hold some secret that has yet to be uncovered and until we solve the mystery explores. You're going to keep disappearing into the chasms. Were they'll figure death or maybe enlightenment Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. For more information on percy fawcett. I've found the lost city of said a tale of deadly obsession in the amazon by david. Grann especially helpful to my research. You can find all episodes of supernatural in all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. And if you like this. Show follow apple podcast on facebook and instagram and at podcast network on twitter supernatural stars. Ashley flowers his spotify original from podcast. It's executive produced by max cutler. Sound designed by kerry murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden aaron larson. This episode of supernatural was written by angela. Jorgensen with writing assistance by kay gallagher andrew cole fact checking but barely and research by mickey taylor to hear more stories hosted by me checkout crime junkie and all audio check originals listeners. 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MYSTICAL: Pam Reynolds

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

36:40 min | 8 months ago

MYSTICAL: Pam Reynolds

"What happens after we die for many people this question is unanswerable but in the case of Pam, Reynolds, she knew because she'd been there in fact out of all the near death experiences, people have reported Pam story is the most famous it happened while she was in the operating room under close medical watch the doctors who were there could confirm that Pam was clinically dead when her experience happened yet she was able to describe the things that happened during her surgery with almost perfect clarity and of all the near death experiences out there hers just might be the most believable. This is supernatural podcast original, and I'm your host Ashley Flowers every Wednesday I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained mystery to try and figure out the truth you can find all episodes of supernatural all other podcast originals for free on spotify, and if you like what you're hearing, reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This week's episode is about Pam Reynolds, a singer who came back from the dead with tales about the other side though several scientists have tried to debunk. Pam Story there's yet to be an answer to what truly happened. We try to sort out ourselves coming up stay with us. Tired of cooking the same old recipes, it's time for a change. Blue Apron offers a wide assortment of recipes for a variety of lifestyles. Then they deliver it straight to your door along with all of the fresh quality ingredients you need to make it don't sacrifice flavor and don't settle for boring meals. Find Comfort in the kitchen with Blue Apron and enjoy delicious home cooked meals. Check out this week's menu and get thirty dollars off across your first deliveries. When you visit Blue Apron, dot com slash spotify that's blue apron dot com slash thought if I am. Even. Before her death, Pam Reynolds was famous in addition to being a singer Songwriter herself she owned a company that recorded musicians like Bruce springsteen pearl jam. Cams career and her cozy suburban life meant that she was pretty happy. But then on a hot summer day in Nineteen, ninety, one, Pam suddenly forgot how to talk and I'm not sure whether Pam just couldn't make sound or if she was totally forgetting the words in her head but either way Pam was disturbed by this. The loss of speech isn't her only symptom either pretty soon, PAM's struggling with extreme dizziness and difficulty moving her body. It's unclear how frequent these episodes happen or whether it was constant but Pam knows that she has to see a doctor after an MRI her worst fears are confirmed she has a large aneurysm. Even worse. It's located on Pam's brain stem. The area controls fundamental life functions like swallowing and breathing. This means that operating on the ANEURYSM is particularly dangerous. One tiny mistake and Pam could lose the ability to breathe on her own or eat without a medical aid. But Pam doesn't really have a choice according to doctors. She's a ticking time bomb, and at any moment, the aneurysm could rupture and PAM would be debt. Pam Reviews such dire fate. So she ops for the surgery. She makes an appointment at the Barrow Institute in Arizona where she meets with a neurosurgeon named Dr Roberts Bachelor Dr Sped Slur Tells Pam that her aneurysm is so large and it's located in such a precarious position than a normal operation actually could be fatal. So instead he proposes what's called a standstill operation. In this feat of medical magic, he would basically drain all of the blood from Pam's head cool her body down to sixty degrees Fahrenheit and stop her heart from beating. This will prevent Pam's blood from pumping and reduce the risk of her aneurysm rupturing during surgery basically, doctors bachelor is going to kill Pam, and then bring her back to life. Now, standstill operations have been performed since nineteen fifty two, but they're still extremely dangerous with a mortality rate of around twelve percent. Still Pam didn't really have a better option. So on a bright August morning, she takes an antiseptic shower and then the nurses help him onto a Gurney then they roller into the operating room, they help her onto a table and tie her legs and arms down then her eyes or taped shut and a breathing tube is inserted into her windpipe. Lastly. Ear Buds are placed into Pam's ears and they emit a loud clicking to monitor the neural waves in her brain. With everything in place, the doctors administer anesthesia and Pam slowly slips out of consciousness but in order for the daring operation to be as safe as possible, the doctors need to make absolutely certain that Pam doesn't wake up. So they inject her with a huge dose of barbituates. With. The ear buds, they are able to watch the tranquilizers completely knock out Pam's brain function her neural waves disappear. stampeding buffalo could barge into the operating room and Pam wouldn't wake up I mean she is completely out it's at this moment that a twenty person medical team files into the room. They're all there to ensure that Pam makes it back from her journey to the other side. This team of doctors helped Swath Pam and cooling blankets packed with ice. This is to help lower body heat. Then they thread a long thin catheter through her jugular vein into her heart. Her cardiothoracic surgeon hooks this up to a heart lung machine. When Pam's body is a chilling sixty degrees doctor sped slur injects her with a large doses of potassium chloride. This stops Pam's heart meaning that not only does she have no brainwaves she also has no heartbeats. So. For All intents and purposes at this point Pam is dead. As if that's not crazy enough though Dr sped slur drains all of the blood from PAM's. Once there's no more risk of blood causing the aneurysm to rupture Dr sped begins his surgery. The first thing pam here's is the buzzing of a drill as Dr Sped Slur Saws Open Her skull the singer Songwriter describes it as sounding like a perfect natural d. and just to clarify something crazy here at this point, Pam has no brainwaves no heartbeat she is still dead and her school is literally being Sawed Open. So none of this makes any sets but PAM not only here's the buzzing. She feels as though the sound is polling at something inside of her it's like a fish hook sunk deep into her consciousness tugging at her soul. And the clearer the sound gets the stronger. The pull is until finally, PAM feels herself pop right out of the top of her head. She has a strange sort of clarity as she floats out of her body. She feels herself drift above the operating table until she's hovering somewhere near the ceiling. From this height Pam conceit, everything happening below the operating table, the tools, even her own body, all of it as clear as day. The I thought that registers to pan is the number of people in the room. She recognizes Dr Speck Slur, but almost everyone else is a stranger. The next thing pam notices is her hair. They had shaved one side of her head to perform the operation. The last thing she registers is the drill Dr sped slurs. Hand Pam thinks it looks more like an electric toothbrush than actual surgical tool. Then Pam here's the cardiac surgeon say that the arteries in her thigh are too small and this confuses her because Pam doesn't understand what her thigh has to do with her brain surgery. It never occurs to Pam at any point that this is all very strange. She sorta just takes the fact that she's looking down at her dead body at face value. At that point pam feels the strong pulling sensation again. The doctors be. Operating Room. Pam's body on the table it all jerks away and Pam feels herself get sucked into a dark shaft. It's like she's in an elevator that's going up very quickly and this time the sharp pulling sensation is accompanied by a voice. It's actually calling to Pam and Pam recognize it. It's her deceased grandmother. Now this is actually extremely common with near death experiences or NDA's the people who have them often described seeing and hearing the voices of their long dead loved ones. For Pay. Pam. The sound of her grandmother's familiar voice rids her of any fear. It allows her to calmly travel up the pitch black shaft. Then suddenly she sees a pinprick of light and it gets brighter and brighter the higher she klein's until it becomes a glare. She instinctively tries to put her hands up to shield her eyes but Pam surprised to find that. She doesn't actually have any hands. She can't see any of her body for that matter. She's just a floating consciousness like unmortgaged soul. Pam begins to discern figures in the light. She sees her dead grandmother, her great great aunt Maggie, her uncle, Jean, all of them are bathed in a bright light. Pam Asks Her relatives. If the light is God and they tell her, it isn't be explained that the light is actually God's breath. And this office pam she's moved by the thought that she is standing in the breath of God and the longer she's bear the more she wants to stay. So she is alarmed when her uncle suddenly says that she has to return to her body. Pam Reluctantly lets him lead her back through the dark shaft all the way down until the operating room is visible again. But on seeing her body down on the table Pam hesitates. She's disgusted by the thought of climbing back inside of a corpse, but her uncle insists he says, it'll be just like diving into a swimming pool. As they're talking Pam sees the surgical team below trying to revive her they're using a defibrillator to administer shocks, which strikes Pam as really unpleasant. She sends his that returning turning to her body will hurt and she wants no part of it. She keeps pleading with her uncle until finally he just gives her a shop pam senses her consciousness balling. As though from a high diving board, she feels her body jump as the surgical team delivers another ventricular shock. And just like that. Pam Comes, back to life. Coming up, we'll explore whether pam really experienced life after death. Hi Supernatural listeners I wanted to jump in here real quick to make sure that you knew something new is coming something big I produce a show called counter clock and last season I teamed up with investigative journalist Delia de Umbro together, we made thirteen episodes about the unsolved murder of a woman named Denise Johnson because of deals reporting and the things she uncovered be officials in charge. Of Denise case say that it's now actively being reinvestigated but we aren't done yet starting September tenth the first two episodes of season two are dropping and you won't even believe the wild twists and turns that this season takes because technically the case we're looking at is closed, but it's possible. The wrong man was convicted purely due to racial bias and killer might still be walking free. Go Pinch. Now while you wait for season two to start on September tenth because Hint Hint there might be some people from season one who come black to play a part even in completely new case search for counterclockwise on defy or wherever you get your podcasts to been. She's in one and listened to the trailer for season to season two comes out September tenth. So go now that's counterclockwise. One word and you can find it on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. We've all heard of Casper. The sleep company with outrageously comfortable products at not. So outrageous prices from award winning mattresses to pillows, sheets and delays. Casper transforms the way we sleep one snooze at a time, and now you can experience the Casper Comfort with a brand new mattress featuring zone support. So the original mattress from Casper. 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She can help because she can hear the Eagles Iconic Song Hotel California playing on the radio in the or Pam still has the clicking earbud so she shouldn't be able to hear anything but the tune is distinct. Its lyrics hit the singer songwriter in a different way than it ever has. As the Eagles Croon you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave. In the weeks, after Pam, surgery, she still vividly remembers her experience. But for some reason, she doesn't share it with anyone in fact, Pam assumes that the whole thing didn't even happen. She thinks it was just a hallucination may be some bazaar dream that she had right before she gained full consciousness. But then one year after the surgery. Pam. Casually mentioned so Dr Robert Spencer said the details that she remembers from what she thought was her hallucination. And spectacular is stunned everything. Pam. Says matches almost exactly what transpired in the operating room. There really were twenty people in the room. The doctors really did discuss Pam's arteries being too small. The saw they used did resemble an electric toothbrush and Hotel California was playing on the radio doctors bachelors never seen or heard anything like this, and he can't explain it from a scientific perspective. It makes zero sense. His Reaction Causes Pam, to take her memories more seriously. So she contacts Dr Michael Sabe bomb cardiologists who researches near death experiences. Dr Seibum is immediately fascinated by PAM's case with her permission. He accesses Pam's medical files he to confirms that Pam's. Description of the surgery was accurate and he's unable to explain how Pam knows any of these details I mean even if she had been conscious, she wouldn't have seen or heard anything seibum ultimately foods but there had been some sort of extra sensory perception at work. In other words. Pam, was able to somehow perceive things with her unconscious mind and she's not the only one with this experience every year there are thousands of people who report near death experiences. Now, this name is a bit of a misnomer since many people who have NDA's weren't actually totally dead when their experience happened, but there are some people like Pam who actually did die and then come back to life and in general, all these people call themselves experiencers. According to a Gallup poll nearly eight million Americans. Claim that they are and experience. These are just people looking for fame even celebrities have chimed in with their own tales of life after death. For example, in two thousand, one actress Sharon stone was engulfed by board tax of white light during a brain hemorrhage that almost left her dead Sharon described her and E as beautiful. She says, she interacted with deceased friends and loved ones and when she returned from the other worldly plane, she realized she was no longer afraid of debt all in all her experience sounds a lot like Pam's in his book transformed by the Light Pediatrician Dr Melvin Moore's outlined some key traits that characterize a full blown and e E. The first is a clear sense of being dead. This is usually accompanied by an out of body experience where someone feels their consciousness or their soul flowed out of their body. Several people like Pam also described traveling up through a tunnel talking too long deceased loved ones and feeling an all encompassing sense of peace and wellbeing. They report not wanting to return to their dead bodies or their complicated lives back on earth. And there is one final common trait that crops up in most NDA's. Delight. For Pam, the celestial light was the most profound part of her near death experience. She remembers it as the breath of God Sharon stone called it a whole white light thing. But these words are tame compared to some of the things that others have said. Some experiencers report talking with angels and running with beings of light. One man even said that he sat on Jesus Christ lap. He says, he was in awe of Christ's majesty and that they stared lovingly into each other's eyes some people even claim that they're andy was so powerful they were forever changed as a result, and this is actually the case with actor Tracy Morgan. On June seventh two, thousand fourteen a huge truck slammed into Tracy's car killing his friend and plunging tracy into a near fatal coma while HE'S OUT TRACY GOES TO HEAVEN? There, he speaks with his long deceased father, their conversation ended with Tracy's Dad's saying I'm not ready for you. Then he asked Tracy to return back to life. Like Sharon and PAM, Tracy's deeply affected by his experience from that point on. He says, I, love you upwards of two hundred times a day I mean he'll say it to family members friends even strangers on the street tracy also begins to revel in the simple things taking his daughter to dance class and hanging out with his wife. He says, his NDA helped him tap into humanity. It reawakened his faith in his fellow man and Tracy's not just being. Mushy his life changing experience and Pam's and Sharon's gels with what researchers are uncovering about. MD's as a whole. They found that experiencers often do go onto live very different lives than the ones that they were leading. Alcoholics can suddenly stopped drinking atheists become extremely spiritual workaholics decide to spend more time with their families. It's like they underwent a sudden personality change and there's reason to think it might be because of another change one, but doesn't make any sense. In two thousand eight, a neuroscientist Mario Bo regard decided to study the phenomenon of near death experiences in a scientific setting. So he invites experiencers into his lap. There Mario attaching electrodes to their head, and he asked them to just think about their NDA. This allows Mario to watch their corresponding brainwave activity on his monitor. He hopes this will tell him if brains have actually changed since their near death experience. One of Mario subjects is a man called Geel Badar Jill had a near death incident where his heart stopped and he claims to have interacted with twelve beings of light before fully coming back to life all in all a pretty standard story for a near death experience. So Marias situates gene his lab. Then he attached thirty two electrodes to his head and asked him to recall the twelve beings of light. Just think hard about that memory he says. Jill obliges and Mario watches his brainwaves and what he sees is astounding. 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When you visit Blue Apron, dot, com slash spotify him that's blue apron dot com slash spotify. Now back to the story. As Mario Monitors Geos brainwaves he is shocked to see all slowed all the way down his neural activity resembles that of someone in a deep sleep, not a person who is wide awake with a bunch of wires attached to their head. And this doesn't make any sense when people are awake their brain waves are in constant motion darting around as their minds skips from thought to thought. The only people with neural maps like GEOS are Catholic nuns or Buddhist monks people who have spent hours or even days in focused meditation their brain waves are permanently changed because of their spiritual practice. So it seems like by simply just thinking of the Light Gio is able to mimic a meditative state that takes most people decades to achieve Mario goes on to observe other experiencers and sure enough there are plenty of them with neural maps like she felt. In the end, Morio can only come to one conclusion that near death experiences open some sort of gateway inside of experiencers. One that allows them to connect more easily with a calm spiritual realm. However, not all end ease are positive. Some experiencers have stories that are downright traumatic. Distressing near death experiences aren't as common as positive ones but they're not exactly rear either they usually fall into three categories. The first is what researcher Nancy Evans Bush calls the inverse and E. In these cases, people report the usual floating out of their bodies and seeing beings of light. But unlike Pam, they aren't filled with a sense of wellbeing. Head. They're freaked out which if you think about it makes total sense no one wants to look down at their own dead body. Now, another one is called the void in these instances, there is no light. There are no feelings of love. There is only a deep sense of despair. One woman recalls suddenly flying over the hospital into a deep empty space in the void she surrounded by ominous circular shakes they tell her she's never existed. They say that the baby that she just gave birth to in the hospital isn't real either they whispered that her memories the people she's known and loved all of it is a mere fabrication from the way she describes it these voices or at least what they're telling her seem almost demonic as though there are other spiritual beings the other sides, ones that aren't angels or relatives. There are still other experiencers who found themselves sucked into a literal void. One man described it as waking up in a sort of endless darkness in the void he had no idea which way is up which way is down and he was surrounded by complete nothingness which if you think about it is really freaky. If debt was just oblivion a light switch turned off and then you're gone, that's one thing but. To be awake inside of the darkness. I mean that's a whole different level of terrify and the experiencers claimed that this is exactly what happened to them. One man says that he felt his spirit leave his body except he didn't float up into embrace of welcoming white light like Pam. Instead, he fell plunging through the bottom of the earth until he found himself standing at a set of high rusty gates and instantly he knows they're the gates of hell. What happens next isn't totally clear but he claims he was somehow able to dig his way out scrambling and clawing till he gets back to Earth. Another woman claims she had an even more terrifying experience in. Hell. Not only does she go there but she describes smelling a horrible stench and hearing inhuman noises. It sounded like a guttural moaning coming at her from all sides before she could run. She found herself surrounded by. Beings with gray gelatinous appendages she said the tore at her ripping her skin. Ultimately, these stories raise the same uncomfortable question as the more positive andy is. Is there really a heaven or hell and do experiencers. Have insight about these places or are all eight million of them just shameless opportunists. Because if one thing is certain, is that ND's make great stories and great stories make for killer book, deals. Neurosurgeon Eban Alexander's book proof of Heaven Sword to Celestial Height reaching number one on the New York Times bestseller list he claims that he spoke with God interacted with angelic beings while in a medically induced coma. Dr Mary. Kneels Book to Heaven and back is equally heavy on angels. She claims she talked to seraphic beings following a near fatal Kayak incident and just like Alexander's book her story hit the bestseller shelves which makes total sense both Alexander and Neil our scientific professionals. So if anyone's NDA can be trusted, it's there's or maybe their jobs provided a convenient cover. It makes their stories seem more believable. But one of the most successful books in the heaven tourism genre isn't written by a doctor the authors, a young boy named Alex Malarkey and his father. It's called the boy who came back from heaven. The book is published in two thousand. Ten when Alex is twelve years old, but it speaks to an event from when he was just six years old Alex claims that after momentarily dying in horrific car crash, an angel guided him to heaven. He said the gates of Paradise looked white and Scaly like the body of a fish and once inside Alex claims he spoke to Jesus. Christ. Maybe. It's the innocence of Alex's age, but people are convinced his story is true. The boy who came back from heaven over a million copies it's adapted into a TV movie people all over America or captivated by this little boys experience. There's only one problem up none of it is true. Just five years after the book is published. Alex writes an open letter stating the entire book was ally. According to him, he made it up because he wanted attention. Alex publishers quickly pull the book from the shelves, but it's important to remember that this is just one case out of many. There are hundreds more tales in the heaven tourism genre that have yet to be debunked, and maybe it's easier to assume that people are simply looking for a quick profit. which brings us back to Pam Reynolds because her story is especially difficult to make sense of she never seems to try and profit off her story, no books, no Hollywood films, and in that Pam is more representative of the norm. Of the millions of people who've claimed that they've had a near death experience only very small fraction tried to profit from it, which has to account for something. Besides. People have the same thing in common. They're convinced that what happened to them was real. But what if there's a different explanation a scientific one Some researchers think that the whole out of body experience is the result of damage in a certain area of a person's brain. According to them, Pam Reynolds sold didn't really pop out of her head. She only felt that way because of some sort of brain trauma. But it still doesn't explain how pam was able to recall such specific details things that her senses were literally blocked from picking up on. In fact, the only way any of it makes sense scientifically is if she wasn't fully dead after all. Australian researcher, Gerald Worley thinks this was the case with Pam in two thousand, nine interview. Worley theorized that the minute doctors bachelor cut into Pam Skull. It jolted her back into semi consciousness. Her to over here, the conversations in the room as for the anesthesia and the ear buds Worley has an explanation. He says, Pam was likely experiencing what's known as anesthesia awareness when a person is awake, but they can't actually move. Worley also thinks Pam's ear buds just weren't tight-fitting. Enough. But even if that was the case, it still doesn't explain the things Pam saw. How could she have known that the drill looked like an electric toothbrush Worley explained this by saying the drill sounded like an electric toothbrush and that Pam was able to composite and image together in her brain based on the noise alone which. I don't know it seems like this is grasping a bit for an explanation and it still doesn't explain the other fantastic things that pam and the other near death experiences claim that they've seen. Pam For one was convinced that her experience was real until her death in two thousand ten, she gave the exact same story. She really did die on the operating table. She felt her conscious leave her body she talked to her deceased grandmother and. She stood in the breath of God. A number of scientists have tried to refute Pam's claims and none of them have been able to explain what happened. In the end will never understand why Pam Reynolds was able to see even though her eyes were taped shut or why she could hear even though her ears were plugged. And we'll never know whether the stories that Pam and millions of other experiences have tried to tell us about the after life or actually trip. At least not until we ourselves die. For most of us, it's life's final mystery. Thanks for listening I'll be back next week. With another episode you can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcasts or for free on spotify spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts all in one place. So they're making it easier to listen to whatever you want to hear for free on your phone computer or smart. Speaker and if you like this show follow podcast on facebook and instagram and at podcast network on twitter. 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ALIEN: The Falcon Lake Incident

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

39:46 min | 3 weeks ago

ALIEN: The Falcon Lake Incident

"Picture this you're deep in the woods hours away from civilization. Maybe you're hiking or camping either way. You're minding your own business when suddenly a ufo lands right in front of you. You're probably thinking no one's ever going to believe this. Of course you'd be right outside of an x files episode authorities get pretty skeptical when someone claims. They've seen a mysterious spacecraft but in nineteen sixty seven when stephane. Mitchell ac reported a ufo in falcon lake manitoba officials had a much harder time writing him off fifty years later. The government still admits that something must have happened. The reason why stephan brought back evidence and it was all over his own body. This is supernatural a spotify original from podcast. I'm your host. Ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify. This week's episode is about the falcon lake incident in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven stephan mitchell returned from the canadian wilderness covered in strange burns that he claims came from an unidentified craft that evidence plus other proof stephan recovered. Make this the best documented. Ufo encounter in canadian history. We'll have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by blue apron. Dinnertime should help you. Unwind not cause more stress blue apron. Lets you unwind. The kitchen with nutritious chef approved recipes. That feed your body. Soothe your mind and nourish your soul the best part meal. Start at just seven. Forty nine serving get eighty dollars off across your first four deliveries and de-stress with simple delicious dinners visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural. 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And even your beloved nacho cheese warmer at once introducing the all new two thousand and twenty one ford f one fifty tough. This smart can only be called. F one fifty explore the all new twenty twenty one f one fifty at four dot com slash trucks slash one fifty classes full-sized pickups under eighty five hundred pounds gb wr see owner's manual for important operating instructions. If you're a fan of extraterrestrial stories you might notice a trend with the types of people who encounter. ufo's they're usually pretty normal folks and this is mostly because of geography the most famous sightings have happened in rural areas to ordinary people like farmers housewives suburbanites but in today's story stephan. Mitchell ac is anything but normal. Stephan grew up in poland where he spent the first half of his life surviving a literal nazi invasion and while working as a polish intelligence officer. The nazis actually captured him. He spends the next year and a half at a concentration camp in what is now western poland when the war ends stephan escapes poland and joins the american army. That's occupying germany. He travels around working as a translator for allied soldiers as they dismantle the concentration camps so safe to say stephan has seen some horrible things and it makes sense that when he gets the opportunity to move his family to canada in nineteen forty nine. He jumps at the chance so fast. Forward to nineteen sixty seven. Stephens been living the canadian dream for almost two decades now. He has a home with his wife and three kids in winnipeg manitoba now during the week. He's an industrial mechanic at a cement company in the city and on weekends. He has this special hobby. Stephan roams the canadian wilderness amateur prospector which is basically somebody who drills for minerals. Just for fun. Seven is by rocks and minerals and he likes to collect samples to bring back home. He's so good at it that he's even staked a few claims by finding or deposits and registering them with the government. So it makes sense. That with victoria coming up. He's got big plans to go. Prospecting victoria day is a canadian national holiday that falls on a monday kind of like president's day in the us. Stephens going to spend the entire three day weekend out by falcon lake. Falcon lake sits smack in the middle of the canadian shield which is giant plateau made of incredibly ancient rocks. It's around three million square miles so literally more than half of canada and stephens visited many times but he knows that with how massive it is he could find untapped or even gold in a spot. No one's ever been to before so on. Friday may nineteen stephan. Takes the greyhound out to falcon lake. He checks into a local motel. Gets a solid night's rest and the next morning may twentieth at five thirty. Am he leaves. His room crosses the highway and treks deep into the canadian wilderness by nine. Am he's found a quartz vein inside a rock in clearing stephens pleased with his discovery and spends the next few hours just happily chipping away at the crystals noon. Rolls around and stephan is still tinkering around when suddenly. He hears this large flock of geese behind him. They're honking excitedly. Like something is scaring that stephan whips around when he spots something to shiny objects hovering above the trees from the way he describes it. They look basically like your typical flying saucers. Each one is oval shaped with raised bump in the very centre stephane watches as they change color from bright red to orange to gray. He so distracted that he almost doesn't notice that they're not floating in place. They're actually descending straight down towards him. One of the objects floats stephan for a few minutes. Then it darts off into the sky and just disappears but the other one sticks around it lands on a flat rock about one hundred fifty feet away from stephan the whole time. It's changing colors until eventually. It settles on a bright silver. But it's giving off this like spooky yellow glow and near the toddlers actually an opening with a bright purple light shining out of it. Stephanie's freaked out he can hear the motor churning and he smells odyssey something terrible. It's like almost a combination of exhaust mixed with rotten eggs. But his first isn't that it's aliens. His first thought is this has to be some kind of military aircraft now. Stephan knows about canadian plains. His son was actually part of a youth program. Run by the royal canadian air force and he just of assumes that you know this must be an american plane so he inches towards the ship trying to find any markings from the us air force but not as he gets closer. He starts hearing voices. They sound like humans but over the roar of the ship's engine. He can't make out what they're saying except that it's at least two people talking. So like any self-respecting canadian he offers to help them. Stephan shouts out quote. Okay yankee boys having trouble come on out and we'll see what we can do about it. But he doesn't get any answer. He tries again. This time in russian but nothing so stephan tries again in german tries. Italian polish french even ukrainian remember. He once worked as a translator. This guy is a one man united nations but the voices inside has totally clammed up. Now putting myself in stephan shoes. I take this as a warning to leave but stephens to sort of curious. He goes right up to the craft and put on protective goggles. He uses for prospecting. Then he just sticks his head inside the glowing. Purple opening be interior is like nothing he's ever seen before. Beams of light criss cross in different directions others blink on and off in some sort of strange pattern. It's almost like a disco night at a roller rink in there. The lights are so bright. They hurt stephens is so he jerks his head back. Outside the second he clears the edge of the whole these metal panels come out of nowhere sealing it shut and from the outside the craft now appears entirely seamless not an opening insight. But then stephan sees this weird spot on the ship. It's round with circular holes arranged a checkered pattern almost like exhaust port. I'm not sure if that registers with him though. Because instead of keeping his distance stephan walks over and touches the ship right next to the exhaust port immediately the super heated metal his glove and seconds later. The craft rotates counterclockwise and one side tilts up towards the sky at the exact same time. Stephan feels a sharp pain as a white. Hot gust of air hits his chest and stomach. It's so hot. His shirt instantly catches fire. Stephan tears it off and drops to the ground. But it's too late. He can already feel severe burns forming on his abdomen. But meanwhile the craft lifts up and zooms off into the sky coming up. Stephan fights for his life high listeners. It's vanessa from podcast. When you think of a criminal do you picture a killer. A gangster a thief. I bet you didn't think it could be the little old lady down the street. Who murdered her tenants. Every wednesday on my series female criminals meet the unlikeliest of felons. Mothers neighbors an unsuspecting lovers with a penchant for dangerous behavior discover the psychology and motives behind their disturbing crimes and find out where their story stands today. But that's not all airing right now on. Female criminals is our special five part. Look at the world's most infamous fem. 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His chest feels like it's been barbecued and when he finally stops rolling around he can see symmetrical grid of perfectly round burns on his stomach. Matching design on the exhaust port. His head aches. He's sweating profusely and then he starts to vomit again. Stephan has experienced some horrible things in his lifetime but being severely burned and vomiting alone in the wilderness is definitely up there and slowly. This thought creeps into his mind if the craft was some sort of top secret military vehicle. Who knows maybe it could run a nuclear power and the exhaust that hit him could actually have been radioactive waste. It's a terrifying thought. And when stephan feels strong enough to stand to his feet he knows he needs to make it to the hospital but for some reason his compass has stopped working. The needle will not point north so he just start walking through the canadian wilderness. It's rough going. Stephan keeps stopping to puke and he's disoriented the whole time. He's followed that same. Terrible smell that mix of burnt electrtonics and rotten eggs but eventually he realizes the stench is actually coming from him and in his panic to get out of the woods. He's getting more and more lost. He's also growing more and more desperate because a new thought keeps flashing through his mind. What if the ship comes back after hours of trekking stephan finally stumbles onto a highway. He realizes he's about a mile away from where he entered the woods that morning so he starts heading in the direction of town and eventually amount police officer spots him. The officer trots up to steffen. Who explains that. A mysterious aircraft just appeared to him in the woods. And you would at least think that with stephan being shirtless with burns on his chest the mountie would see that he needs help but supposedly he wouldn't hear a word of stephen's story and when and ask for help finding a doctor the man refuses. I'm not sure whether to believe stephan about this encounter. but in any case he keeps walking and when he finally reaches his motel he gets more bad news. The receptionist tells him that the only doctor in the area lives about forty five miles away so instead stephan calls his wife and arranges for his adult son to meet him at the winnipeg bus depot. That's right stephan week. Vomiting and horribly burned has to take a two hour bus ride home which just sounds like the most miserable trip ever stephan arrives in winnipeg at around ten fifteen pm and his son takes him to the hospital after his encounter with the mounties. Stephens worried his family in the hospital. Staff won't believe him so he tells them that he got hit by airplane exhaust. The doctors can't tell what's wrong with stephan beyond his burns. Which again are just super bizarre. Looking the same grid pattern of coin-size burns stretches all the way from his chest to his stomach but they must not be too horrible because the hospital puts -pointment on him gives him a sedative and tells him to just go home and rest and that's what he does stephan rest for. Most of the next day may twenty first by may twenty second once. He's regained some strength. He finally tells his wife and sons that he's seen a ufo. His family actually believe him especially once they see how he suffering. I mean stephens. Bedridden with non stop migraines. He can't keep any food down so he's steadily losing weight and there is still that awful smell. His son remembers the entire bedroom smelling. Like an overheated motor full of sulfur. Stephan himself can't escape it. It's like when you eat too much garlic. But a thousand times worse. The family doctor pays a visit and agrees. Stephens symptoms the vomiting the migraines the smell. Just don't make any sense. And overtime stephens. Family shares the same concern as their dad. They're worried that he may have radiation poisoning. Which if that's the case the all need to know stab stephan could be putting them all in grave danger so in the days. Following his encounter they take steph into a canadian national atomic research centre. he's poked and prodded levels are taken body. Parts are scant. Thankfully it's good news. Stephan is not radioactive bad news. They still don't know what's wrong with him. The doctors who examined him admit that whatever he's suffering from it looks similar to radiation poisoning. One of them things. The circular burns came from powerful gamma rays. If they passed through stephens stomach they could immediately break down the food inside. This explains why stephan instantly started vomiting. And why he carries such an awful smell. But it's just one theory. And then stephens blood count normally white blood cells should be about twenty five to forty percent lymphocytes but after the incident. Stephen's count is only sixteen percent. This also looks like radiation. But since the tests are coming out clean they send stephan home. Meanwhile public interest is exploding. A reporter from the winnipeg tribune catches wind of stephan story. She shows up at the house on may twenty. I literally the day after the incident and the news story breaks the following day soon it makes headlines across the country it's even reprinted in america and other countries like something about stephen's story just rings true. And maybe that's because he's not the only one telling it on may nineteenth one day. Before stephen's citing residents of the nearby town of lockport claim to see a glowing craft moving impossibly fast through the sky about a week later in the days after stephens citing a thirteen year old girl from winnipeg sees similar oval crafts. Sketch show makes looks almost exactly like the ones stephan described altogether at least twenty different people reported. Ufo's near falcon lake in the four weeks before. And after stephens incident so his story is part of this wider sensation. Stephens family phone rings off the hook reporters loiter on his doorstep journalists interview friends and neighbors asking if he seems stable if he has a drinking problem and stephens. Youngest son is bullied at school for having a dad who saw a ufo but despite all the skepticism it doesn't take long for the feds to pay serious attention to stephan representatives from the royal canadian air force and ironically the mounted. Police show up to interrogate him. I'm not sure if there's some sort of truth that prompted this with the same suspicion crops up regarding stephens drinking habits one official asked steph and point blank if he likes to drink and the bartender at the motel in falcon lake actually reports seeing stephan the night before the incident supposedly he was at the bar downing several beers but stephan claims he didn't go near the bar so for a little while. There's this conundrum who's lying the bartender or the man who saw a ufo ultimately receipts from that night. Prove that stephan is telling the truth. He didn't buy anything at the bar. But at this point the air force and the mounted police have both sent teams out to find a landing site with no luck. No it's not like they're looking for aliens. Both agencies are concerned that if stephan really did see an aircraft out in the woods it may have been an enemy spy remember. This is nineteen sixty seven in the midst of the cold war while canada isn't caught up in the same technology races america. They still aren't on friendly terms with russia. Rumors about soviet spy capabilities are at an all time high. So these officials need to locate the landing site and so does stephan because even though he's got the scars to prove it he needs more convincing evidence right now. His one beacon of hope is a guy named barry thomson berries from the aerial phenomena research organization or a pro. Which is this. Ufo grew so he's definitely an enthusiast and he reaches out to stephan immediately after his story hits the papers berry is super sympathetic and the two of them become fast friends. Meanwhile stephens on the road to recovery. Eventually he's able to eat again and walk around the house which is great because all he wants to do is be able to go back to the site of his encounter her two weeks after the incident on. July fourth stephens. Well enough to make the journey. He heads back to falcon lake along with berry and a magazine photographer. But he can't find the way back to the site so they're forced to give up a few weeks later. The air force take stephan out in a helicopter thinking that maybe an aerial view will help but no dice. At this point. The feds are getting testy. They've gone out twice now once on their own once with stephan and their witness can't seem to get his bearings. But stephens not ready to throw in the towel. He teams up with yet. Another new pal named jerry heart jerry's and eccentric electrical engineer who had a cabin near falcon lake and he's a bit of a character the kind of guy who doesn't trust the government and hasn't paid taxes in years but he knows the area better than anyone else so in late june one month after the encounter stephens strikes out into the forest one more time this time with jerry and miraculously they find it. There's a huge and outline of the ship on the rock where it landed weeks earlier. The even fine stephens burned shirt and his tape measure lying nearby. Then they noticed something weird. The leaves of the trees near where the craft landed had turned yellow and their branches are dying. It's almost as if they've been poisoned. Pretty soon stephan gets the air force. The mounted police and april all together to examine the site and as soon as they break out the geiger counters. The needles go wild the area immediately. Near where the craft touchdown is definitely radioactive. Coming up stephan searches for answers. This episode is brought to you by fan duel. Sportsbook march mania. Is you could choose to be a bench warmer and watch from the sidelines. Or you could get in the game and try your hand at fan. Duel sportsbook shoot your shot on money. Lines point spreads parlays and more. 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Remember to keep your body mind and spirit engaged. That's why blue apron. Lets you choose how you want to end the day. Especially if that means low maintenance recipes that are big on flavor not on prep. There's no excess planning or shopping so you can spend more time being present and actually enjoy the process of disconnecting and making a home cooked meal. You can always count on blue apron recipes. Because they're chef created nutritionist approved and suit a variety of food lifestyles. The best part meal start at just seven forty nine per serving get eighty dollars off across your first four deliveries and distress with simple delicious dinners visit blue apron dot com slash supernatural. That's blue apron dot com slash supernatural now back to the story. Thankfully the radio activity at the falcon lake. Landing site isn't enough to be dangerous. And as the officials point out. There's a base level of heightened radiation in the canadian shield due to a lot of granite in the area. Apparently granted often has pockets of radioactive material. Would they do find something. The shield can't explain right in the middle of the rock where the ship landed there is a blip on the geiger counters. It seems this one spot is more radioactive than everything else around it. So between this the burn shirt the dead trees and the circle left by the ship. It's obvious something happened. The feds don't know if it's an alien ufo but they're willing to believe stephan had some sort of encounter with some sort of aircraft. The officials take soil samples for testing and promised stephan. They'll tell him the results. Meanwhile the public is demanding answers. Even of ficials wanna know what's going on but the feds are acting coy on june twenty of sixty seven. A canadian member of parliament asked in open session to see the falcon lake incident reports. According to stephen's son the speaker of the house immediately cuts him off and move on to the next subject. Stephens dealing with the same issue summer turns to fall all turns to winter and he still can't get any more information from the canadian. Government be tested the soil samples from the landing site and confirmed that. The dirt was slightly radioactive. But they couldn't or maybe wouldn't tell stefan anything else but the lack of answers doesn't stop berry thompson with no further. Evidence berry goes ahead and publishes an article in the april newsletter. Claiming that stephens encounter is irrefutable proof of extraterrestrials now. This happens without stephens permission and at this point stephan has still never made a public statement about extraterrestrial life. The only thing he'll admit to is a strange aircraft but if stephan thought the media frenzy was bad before now it is downright unbearable. Reporters hound his family asking questions about barry's article. Stephan won't answer the phone anymore. Because he's so sick of being asked the same questions over and over again all this time. He's still dealing with bazaar symptoms from the encounter. One day september. This is roughly four months since the incident. Stephen's working at the cement company when his body starts swelling up like his arms and legs balloon and they begin to turn this dark purple color. His supervisor eventually finds him horrified. He rushes stephan to a specialist. Who literally has to cut off. Stephen's close because his body is so bloated and they noticed stephens faded. Burn marks have flared up. They're like super red and angry. But then just as suddenly these symptoms fade away the next day stephens completely fine no explanation just the worst twenty four hour bug of his life at some point while stephens battling these sort of weird side effects he decides to write down his entire experience. Well it was berries idea. Apparently the two of them are still friends and stephan has to admit that having a paper copy of his story is a good idea this way he can just hand out little booklets to journalists instead of dealing with the questions. Stephane calls his pamphlet. My encounter with the ufo. His family keeps a stack by the door to hand to anyone who stops by and very helpful soul that he is even volunteers to sell the book through the april newsletter. He's using the sales to collect money for stephens family but funny thing. The address listed in the magazine doesn't belong to stephan it's berries address. Stephan never sees a penny. And once the media frenzy dies down buried vanishes once and for all. So stephens left with this unsatisfying ending. His closest ally has used and deserted him. The government won't answer his calls and he still doesn't know what he saw on falcon lake fast forward to may nineteen sixty eight a full year after stephens. Ill-fated prospecting trip in a last bid for answers. He takes another friend out to falcon lake. He remembers seeing this large crack on the top of the rock where the craft landed so he has this idea that maybe the radio activity isn't coming from the rock's surface maybe it's inside be reached the landing site and for hours. Stephan uses his prospecting tools to chip at a large crack in the center of the rock several inches down. He strikes gold or in this case. Silver sitting at the bottom of the fisher are several irregular pieces of shiny metal the same color as the outside of the spaceship. They're the same shape as the crack itself. Meaning liquid must have dripped down and hardened their whatever it is it is not naturally occurring and when they scan the silver pieces with a geiger counter the needle wildly. The metal is radioactive. Stephan thinks this is proof of the ufo and more importantly prove he is telling the truth. He takes a sample home and sends it off for testing the lab results. Come back saying that. The metal is a very pure silver coated in materials containing radioactive uranium. Almost like an ice cream cone dipped in sprinkles. It's unclear what these uranium containing materials are. But this mysterious. Silver is the last piece of physical evidence anyone finds. I'm not sure how long the case is open but eventually both the canadian air force and mounted police closed their investigations. They believe stephan encountered some thing that burned him in the woods but it probably wasn't a threat to national security. Both departments label the phenomena unexplained for the next few years after the incident multiple government officials. Apparently try and fail to see the reports. But it's not until nineteen seventy nine at some of them become available to the public. And even then i mean it's only portions. The full report has never been released and this could be for a variety of reasons. Maybe the government was able to connect the ship back to a foreign power. I mean if it was something like a soviet spy plane they probably didn't wanna spill the beans to the public cause a panic not to mention. They couldn't let the soviets no that they knew that they were being spied on. Or maybe they were just avoiding the embarrassment of an inconclusive report or maybe they found actual proof of extraterrestrials. Remember multiple other people reported. Ufo's in may nineteen sixty seven. So who knows what other investigations may have been going on or what they found as for stephan he never claims. It was aliens all his life. He suspects it was a top secret military ship but a year after the incident. He's still suffering so he tries a new tactic in august. Nineteen sixty eight. Stephan checks himself into the mayo clinic in rochester minnesota. He still has those circular pattern burns on his chest and stomach awful headaches and he faints often the doctors at the mayo clinic. Confirm it wasn't radiation but they have a new hypothesis for stuffing maybe he was burned by toxic gas. His symptoms have lasted so long because his body is still fighting. Whatever chemical compound he was burned with. Which could also explain why he fell ill at work. Maybe something in the cement factory with the same compounds triggered a action making him blow up like the stay puffed marshmallow man it makes sense if experimental military craft burn steffen. Who knows what kind of nuclear fuel. It was using the doctors at mayo clinic. Also do a psychological evaluation on stephon and the results are promising. He's stable trustworthy and not likely to make up a story like this but over the years minor blips have cropped up the place where stephon touched the. Ufo was within view of a forest ranger tower with the rangers on duty that they didn't see anything. Now it's super possible. No one was looking in that direction. When the ufo's landed or took off and as stephan and others described the ships moved impossibly fast. But there's also some debate about how radioactive the site was some accounts claim authorities thought it might even pose a danger to the community but others say the canadian shield is made of granite which can contain trace amounts of radioactive materials. The entire area would probably set a geiger counter off. Not just the landing site still. It doesn't explain the pieces of metal stephan found. The government ran dozens of tests on the metal pieces from the rock and so did private experts. None of them could explain why those pieces were radioactive or how. They got deep inside the crack years after his incident. Stephen's still had scar tissue in the same grid pattern on his abdomen. An even though he recounted at dozens of times to newspapers government officials and ufo enthusiasts. He never changed his story. Not even under hypnosis stephan mitchell act died in nineteen ninety nine true to his story until the end and with him died. The only chance of getting to the bottom of the falcon lake incident. But maybe we'll get lucky and our visitors whether they're from another country or another planet might come back for another vacation to falcon lake someday. Thanks for listening all be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts. All in one place. They're making it easier to listen to whatever you want to hear for free on your phone computer or smart speaker supernatural stars ashley flowers and his a spotify original from podcast. It's executive produced by max cutler. 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CONSPIRACY: Besa Mafia

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

38:49 min | 10 months ago

CONSPIRACY: Besa Mafia

"If. You've been around at all for the past decade. You've probably heard of the dark web. It's the black market of the Internet were all sorts of illicit activities. Go on drugs, identity theft human trafficking. If it's illegal, you can probably find it there. If you know where to look, but that's the catch. Since the dark web isn't searchable, it's impossible to know what's really out there. And what's a hoax like red rooms for example, where actual murderers are supposedly? Those don't exist Hitman for hire sites, according to the anti conspiracy theory site, rational wicky, those are the real thing. But in February two thousand sixteen, an anonymous user made one small edit to the rational wicky page. All assassination sites are scams except for base mafia, which is real. This is supernatural apar- cast original and I'm your host Ashley Flowers every Wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained mystery to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify, and if you like what you're hearing, reach out on facebook instagram at podcast and on twitter at podcast network. This episode is about a dark web murder for hire site called Besa Mafia with enforcement learned about the site in two thousand sixteen. They thought it was a scam like every other side of its kind. Until one of the hits was actually carried out. We'll dig into the conspiracy right after this. On April. Twenty fifth two thousand. Sixteen a file was. Uploaded to a data, leaking site called syphon. It was a dump of stolen user data from Besa mafia, which for the past few months had been the talk of the Dark Web community Baeza is Albanian for trust. The site is supposedly run by members of the Albany and mafia, although they don't carry out any of the services themselves. It's sort of like goober violent crimes like you can sign up to. To be an assassin, list your skills and pay rate, and they'll match you with customers in your area. Who Want someone killed? Besa mafia appeared on the dark web in December. Two Thousand Fifteen, and it started to gain attention a couple of months later posts about the site were popping up all over the Internet on reddit and quarrel and random blogs. All of them insisted that it was the real deal. The leaked data, though told a different story, there were definitely hundreds of paying customers user names, passwords message logs bitcoin transaction, even pictures of the intended victims, but reading through the messages it looked like none of the hits that were paid for had ever actually happened. The site's owner was taking payments, and in stream, the customers along with unexpected delays missed connections, and so on until they just gave up an icee appeared because whoever was behind the leak could have just cherry-picked messages to make it look like a fraud. That's what a lot of the site supporters were saying, but to most people. The leak just confirmed the obvious of course base. A Mafia is a scam. Every murder-for-hire site is. Now, it's reasonable to think you could hire a Hitman on the dark web pretty much. Every other illicit business can be found there. You've probably heard of Silk Road the black market site that was shut down by the FBI in two thousand thirteen. They mostly sold drugs, but there are other sites out there that sell weapons child abuse materials human organs, any number of horrible things you could think of, but none of the major markets allowed the solicitation of murder. And that's probably because you know. Murderer is bad, but it's mostly because so many people were getting ripped off. What makes contract killing different from any other illicit business like drug, dealing or sex work? Is that hitmen don't typically have repeat customers, and regardless of how well you would do the job. The likelihood that any of your clients will recommend you to a friend is pretty close to zero so from a business perspective. There's no reason to actually go out and kill someone when you can take the customer's money and run after all. ARE THEY GONNA do go to the police? In fact, the guy who ran silk road, Ross Albrecht tried to hire a Hitman online and he got scammed, not only did he lose seven hundred and thirty thousand dollars on murders that never happened, but one of the Hitman that he tried to hire was an cover. COP does one of the factors that led to his arrest in two thousand thirteen. If the person who more or less invented the dark web market couldn't get a murder done without getting arrested. It seemed like no one could. Could, so after getting banned from basically every dark web marketplace, individual assassins started setting up their own sites, all of which were quickly confirmed to be scams at the time of the base Mafia leak in two thousand sixteen, never in history has there been a single death tied to a dark web hitmen and from the leaked data. It didn't look as a Mafia was going to be the first. It ran on the exact same business model as the other frauds. No murders, no refunds just. Of Lies, but even if there were no real hitmen involved here, these customers were clearly serious about their desire to have someone killed. For example, one of the most vicious orders came from a user called dog day got their target was also one of the most unlikely forty three year old. Amy alwine A dog trainer from cottage Grove Minnesota. Dog Day, God's real identity was a mystery, but they claim to be a woman from the same area. Who Knew Amy Socially? But order form said that amy quote has torn my family apart by sleeping with my husband who left me and is stealing clients from my business. I want her dead. At the time of the leak in April, the job was still pending. It hadn't been accomplished yet, but according to the messages there had been a few failed attempts in the previous month. And just a few days earlier dog day God had made a second payment to upgrade the murder from a staged car accident to an arson, burning down the entire line family home. So far. This user had paid base mafia at least eleven thousand dollars for amy's murder. Clearly, they were serious about making it happen. So if the Hitman didn't come through, who knew if this person might take matters into their own hands? So when the FBI learned about this data leak, they took it seriously enough to warn the local police in cottage grove about the threat on Amy's life. The police contacted amy in her husband. Stephen understandably shocked by the news. Neither of them had any idea who dog day God could be. The old lines were a happy suburban couple who didn't have a single enemy in town I mean they were both involved in their local church and Steven was even a deacon. Amy insisted that she was not having an affair with anyone and Steven believed her so when they couldn't find any likely suspects the. The police just kind of let it go after all the evidence pointed to base a Mafia being a scam for all anyone knew this could just be some kind of sick practical joke, so the all wines went back to life as normal over the summer, the base of Mafia site was shut down by vigilante hackers. The site owner was never found, and neither was dogged a got, but it looked like the all lines nightmare was over. But then six months later, amy was dead. A November thirteenth at around seven PM Stephen and their son Joseph get home to find Amy's body sprawled on the floor of the master bedroom. It looked as she shot herself the gun still laying next to her elbow. It's the same handgun that she and Stephen had bought for protection just a few months earlier. Stephen Calls nine one and says I think my wife shot herself and he doesn't sound very sure about it, and it's no wonder why the local detectives remember the all lines from the hitman threat before they even get to the house. They have a feeling that this probably isn't a suicide. And all the evidence seems to confirm it. There are some things at the scene that just don't quite add up first of all. There's a clean patch on the floor boards. Right outside the bedroom. Where amy was found, it was cleaned very recently like to smear marks weren't fully dried yet, which implies that someone was cleaning up the scene after? And even the bedroom itself looks staged. There are signs that the body was moved post mortem. The gun is actually resting on the floor next to amy's left Elbow, which is odd placement on its own, but extra weird, because the entrance wound is on the right side of her head. and honestly it's strange that she was able to aim the gun at all because when the autopsy came back. Amy have a large amount of scopolamine in her system. SCOPOLAMINE is a prescription drug that when taken in excess can cause memory loss unconsciousness. Amy had taken forty times the recommended dose, So it's pretty clear. This was not a suicide. The entire scene had to have been staged once again. The attention turned back to dog day guide, but still no one had any idea who this mysterious enemy could be until two days into the investigation on November fifteenth when the police entered the all lines basement. It is filled with computers monitors gadgets, which isn't that Weird Stephen is an IT specialist, but for an IT specialist. He didn't do a very good job of. Of covering his digital tracks because searching his computer, the police found out that there was way more Stephen Story than he was letting on for one thing he'd been having affairs with two women that he'd met on the website Ashley Madison. He also had five cell phones that he hadn't told the investigators about and on one of them there were cookies left behind from bitcoin exchange on his laptop. There was a deleted backup file from a different phone which had notes files with the address of a bitcoin wallet, and it's the same address that dog day God you to pay base a Mafia. They also found record of searches for Queen Mining disposable computers, dark web, related sites and Scopolamine, the same drug that was used on amy. It was undeniable Stephen had ordered the hit on his wife and BASAM. Mafia might be more real than anyone imagined. I'll dig into the dark web right after this. High supernatural listeners like you. I'm a big fan of podcast, but sometimes the hardest thing is finding new shows to dive into which is why I'm here to help. Did you know that the same team that made supernatural is behind a whole collection of other shows. Here is a host from one that I think. You'RE GONNA like. Thanks Ashley if you love the captivating stories told on supernatural. Then you'll definitely want to check out our true crime podcast serial killers. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Every Monday and Thursday Greg Olsen and I catch a rare glimpse into the minds, methods and madness of some of the most sadistic murderers ever to walk the earth. Their names have become larger than life. Their crimes some. Some of the most heinous in history, their stories will shock you from the son of Sam. David, Berkowitz and the coed killer Edmund, Kemper to Jack, the, ripper and Jeffrey Dahmer. Serial killers takes you closer to the killer's crimes and cases that forever changed the face of history. Follow the par cast, original series serial killers free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. Stephen all line had up on Bass Mafia on February fifteenth to sixteen right around the time. When the site started gaining popularity, his motivation apparently was to get rid of his wife, amy so that he could be with one of his mistresses. Divorce isn't allowed in their church, so if Stephen went that route, he lose his position as Deacon, but if amy died in a sudden accident, Stephen could grieve move on and remarry with no one the wiser. Now. Stephen worked in it and he was already pretty familiar with the dark web to get access. You have to use an encrypted browser called tour, which makes it harder to trace your location and activity. Tore is essentially the portal to a hidden network of websites that can't be found through search engines, instead of a regular Url's ending in dot, com, or dot net, or whatever these pages all end in dot onion, which regular web browsers aren't set up to access. The addresses also tend to be random strings of numbers and letters, instead of words, which makes them really hard to track down especially since tour. Tour by definition is impossible to search on the regular web, but somehow Stephen gets a hold of the address for the base of Mafia site, which is in the high tech masterpiece that you might expect. The site looks like it was designed by an amateur in early two thousand, and like the top banner, which uses the font from the movie. The Godfather says Besa mafia, higher, killer or a hacker. Just. In case you hadn't made up your mind yet. About which one the homepage is covered, what are obviously stock? Photos of men with guns with their faces blurred for some reason as if they're pretending that stock photo models or their actual. Like the whole thing, just reeks of a scam. There is a link to a page titled, services, which explained how it works. We are network of mob members who know how to use computers. When you order one of our services, we will forward it to the nearest mob member to you. He will provide the services to you locally. We have gang members who are willing to do killings starting from five thousand dollars, and they don't just do murder beatings arson. Any kind of violent crime is on the table here. The site itself essentially acts as an escrow. Escrow Service customers anonymously send the money through Bitcoin and based Mafia holds it until the Hitman confirms the job is done. Then they pass the money on keeping twenty percent as a service fee. It's supposedly no risk. If the hitman backs out or fails the site's Admins, we'll give you your money back. At least that's what they promise. And since it's all totally anonymous, the police will never be able to trace it back to. To you even if the whole site is seized, although have is your user name and the address of your anonymous bitcoin Wallet, unfortunately for Stephen, he decided to sign up with the username dog day God with he'd already used on everything from read it to his secret email account. Once the COPS had his computer. There was no way to deny that he was the one behind it, but with that glaring exception Stephen had done. Done everything imaginable to mask his identity. When ordering the hit, he decided to pose as a woman whose husband was having an affair with. Amy gives a decent motivation for the hit while also deflecting suspicion away from himself. He also knew that the only way he would get away with this is if it looked like an accident, ideally accident happened while amy was out of town, so he'd have a rock solid alibi amy was. was about to travel to Illinois for a dog show in March which seemed like perfect timing, so Stephen submits his order and pretty soon he gets a message back from the sites. Adleman, whose only identified as Ura, uric clarifies that five thousand dollars is the base rate for a simple like ganglion shooting staging an accident is gonNA cost more. The most cost effective method would be having someone. Run over amy with a car which. which they say is GonNa cost him about six thousand dollars. Stephen writes back. That would work fine. All he had to do now was transferred the payment. There are a few different ways to acquire bitcoin. You can buy it online with a bank transfer, or even credit card you can go to physical ATM's that exchange cash for Bitcoin or you can use a service like local bitcoins, which helps you find traders in your area. Area who can do the exchange in person and that's what Steven decides to do on. March third. He withdraws seven thousand dollars from a joint bank account that he and amy shared. He takes it to a local Wendy's where he needs up with a guy named Ryan from local bitcoins Stephen Hands over the cash and Ryan Scans a Qr code to drop money into Stevens bitcoin wallet, the next step is to send it on. On to base a Mafia, but here's where Stephen starts to get cold feet, not about the murder. He's worried that they're going to rip him off. After all. He heard about how Hitman for hire sites were all scams and sure everyone said based mafia was different, but Stephen still is a little suspicious, so he tells your that he wants to use a third party escrow service to hold the money until the kill is done. You're a points out the obvious problem with that and he reputable escrow services is going to require proof that the transaction was completed, and you can't exactly just send them a photo of a dead amy. And on the flip side, if base a Mafia didn't do the job. How is Stephen supposed to file a complaint about it like? Is he going to tell the escrow service that a hitman he hired didn't kill his wife like that's hardly an option, either so you're says either find an escrow service that you trust that allows illegal transactions, or you're just GONNA have to trust us. All those five star reviews don't lie. So finally Stephen relents and transfers the money to your bitcoin address. He writes era. They say that basically means trust, so please do not break that on March nineteenth. Amy left for her dog show in Illinois. She came back the next day in one piece. Apparently, the Hitman didn't have good opportunity to stage a car accident. Your apologized and said that they were willing to try again. Customer Service is their top priority, so Stephen says okay. One mistake is understandable. We might as well keep trying. The next time. Amy Heads out of town. He sets up another attempted hit, but once again she comes home, safe and sound. Over the next month. Stephen sets up at least five different appointments, but they all fall through for one reason or another, since getting her while she's traveling is proving difficult Stevens suggests another idea. Why don't you just kill her at our home and then burn down the house and you're assure we can do that for an extra. Five Thousand Dollars Stephen begrudgingly agrees transfers the money weights. And of course be arson doesn't happen finally, Stephen. And ultimate them. Get it done by May I I don't care when or how just it done or I want my money back. He sends over another four point, which would be a couple thousand dollars and promises another twenty one bitcoin after Amy's dead. But of course once again, Stephen comes home to find amy alive and well, and at this point he just gives up and asks for a refund. He gets a message back on May twenty. That says unfortunately this site has been hacked. We got all customer and targeted information, and we will send it to law enforcement unless you send ten Bitcoin to this address to Stephen. It was obvious that this was part of the scam he wasn't. Wasn't getting his refund, and now he was being blackmailed. He didn't pay them a cent more by all evidence. That was the last correspondent. Steven ever had with Besa Mafia. The hit never happened. He didn't get his money back. And within a couple of months, the site was shut down, but now in November. Amy was clearly dead, so what happened. Stephen was obviously involved in some way so on January seventeen. He's arrested and charged with. With second degree murder, at which point he stops cooperating entirely. He claims that he's never even heard of the dark web despite all of the evidence in his basement to the contrary. If police are going to build a case against him, they need to figure out what actually happened and who else might be involved, so they start looking at Europe. If anyone has answers, it's gotta be him, but you're is basically a ghost. No one knows. Knows who he is or where he is the base of Mafia. Server had a Romanian Ip address, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything I mean he could be using a proxy. It's impossible to trace him through his messages. Since it was all done on the encrypted tore network, and since the entire base, a Mafia site was taken down by hackers a few months ago. The police don't have any idea how to contact era at all. But. After a little bit of Web, sleuthing authorities found out. Euro wasn't working alone. There were several blogs reporting that to other people had co founded the site and Australian journalist named Eileen Ormsby, and a British programmer named Chris Montero. Now this comes as a bit of a shock, because for the past year, Eileen in Chris had both been constantly posting on their own blogs about how as a mafia was a scam. They're posts are still some of the first results that you? You come up with when you Google base a mafia, but according to these reports. That's all a decoy. Chris was the real mastermind behind the site, Eileen was in charge of promotion and marketing and euro was now Bainian mobster living in London who hooked them up with assassins, but in early two thousand sixteen, Chris and I leaned started to worry that the site was getting too much attention so to keep law enforcement off their backs. They pretended to expose base a Mafia scam. Allegedly Chris and I lean orchestrated the data leak. In April two, thousand, sixteen be only released the messages from pending customers to make it look like none of the orders were ever completed, and then they went on their personal blogs, and wrote all about how mafia was fake, so that no one would ever suspect that they were the ones running it now. Now, I totally understand that this is kind of a convoluted story, but it's the only lead that the police had gotten at this point, so the UK's National Crime Agency gets a warrant to search Chris's apartment in London. In early February two, thousand, seventeen, a team of officers break down the door to find Chris sitting on the couch, eating a bowl of. Of pumpkin soup. The living room in his place is full of computer equipment like six different monitors, all flickering with different programs, a whiteboard on the wall, covered in numbers and Aeros, and before Chris can even react. He's handcuffed after seizing his computer. The officers take him down to the station and formerly arrest him for incitement to murder when the NCAA interrogates Chris. Though he has a very different side of the story to tell, he says he's already spoken to the NCAA and the FBI and the London police and the LAPD and the counterterrorism unit. He was the one who hacked into the site and took it down if they were arresting him. They truly had no idea what they were dealing with. Coming up the truth about base mafia finally unravels now back to the story. Chris Montero is one of the leading researchers on cybercrime. He runs. The subrata are slash deep web and he's written a bunch of wicky articles including the rational Waikiki. Page on Internet assassination in February, two thousand sixteen someone edited that page to insist that base, a Mafia was real Chris had never heard of base mafia, but as far as he knew, and he knew a lot. Every hit me on for higher out. There was a scam. This one couldn't be any different. Chris isn't gonNA. GonNa let someone fill his carefully researched article with lies, so he gets on the base mafia sight to see what's going on that same day. He writes a post on his blog. Pirate Dot London about all their terrible business practices and bad web design, asserting that it has to be a scam a few weeks later. He gets an email from Europe who insists base a Mafia is real. He even says if you want us to prove that we do business, give us the name picture. Picture an address of some enemy of yours. We can send a local crime members to do a beating him. Chris politely declines, and instead he says they could just send him some news coverage of murders that they were tied to, and you're actually has a good counterpoint here, which is that no one who ordered a murder on the dark web would go out and tell the news about it, and that's impossible to argue with so. Chris doesn't try, but he does. Publish the full email. Email exchange on his blog along with some mocking commentary. Now that's it for the next couple of weeks until someone leaves a comment on that post with a link to a video, it shows someone setting a car on fire than holding up a piece of paper that says gang member for Bass Mafia on deep web dedication to pirate London ten April two thousand sixteen at this point. Chris is starting to worry about who he's gotten himself involved with. Maybe there is something going on here. Just to be sure, he signs up for base Mafia account under the name Boaty mcboatface. He orders a on a fake person that he names Bob the builder and pretty soon. He realizes there's a glaring flaw in the site design. Every message you send has a unique ID number, and if you put that number into the URL, it'll show you the message. Even if it was sent by a different user so using that technique Chris methodically scrapes every single message from the database, and what he sees is the same scheme playing out and over again a customer pays. Euro keeps stalling and up selling until they finally give up as for all those happy customers. Customers all over the web. Your had hired an army of freelance writers making sure that they use the right buzzwords, so they're review would show up first on the page in the search results now Chris had nothing to do with the hack and the data leak in April two thousand sixteen, but you're apparently thought he did so. He used the same strategy to fill the web with articles. Claiming Chris was a disgruntled Co founder of the site. In hindsight, they shouldn't have been convincing enough to fool international law enforcement, though especially because ever since the league. Chris had been trying and failing to get the NCAA and the FBI to take base a Mafia seriously. But he just kept getting passed around to different police agencies, because no one was sure whose jurisdiction it was, and frankly because it didn't seem like a top priority, some Romanian scumbag is scamming murderers. Good for them, but even if it was a scam, Chris figured correctly that some of the people might try to kill their targets by other means. This was a dangerous scam to leave running unattended Chris did the only thing he could think. He hacked into base a Mafia and took it offline. He replaced the homepage with a picture of a closed door with the text after six months of scamming criminals for their bitcoins in stealing over sixty five thousand dollars. The site has closed. No one was ever beaten up or killed for good measure he. He also sets the page to auto play so long farewell from the sound of music, but that wasn't the end of it. You're had started a new nearly identical site called Crime Bay he hadn't updated security all so Chris was still able to read all the sites messages, and it was the same scam all over again Chris, finally convinced the investigators to go look at his computer. They'd find everything that he was talking about the hacked data from crime, Bay the messages from Europe and of course his emails with their colleagues in the NCAA. After a long Dana half of questioning, they finally cleared Chris and let him go, but there was still one glaring question. If base a Mafia wasn't real, then who killed amy all wine? As it turns out. It was all stephen when he couldn't find anyone to kill amy for him. He drugged her and shot her himself. In March two dozen seventeen, his charge was upgraded from second degree murder to first degree murder, and he would eventually be found guilty and sentenced to life in prison, but if there is any silver lining to this tragedy, it's that the NCAA finally started to take base a mafia, seriously or crying bay, as it was now called in May of two thousand, seventeen, the NCAA shutdown the crime bay site and started tracking down the users to prevent another alwine situation. A few people were arrested for soliciting murder, but only one was actually charged an Italian woman who was sentenced to six years for ordering a hit on her ex boyfriend. Your though was never found. And within months he had set up another site called Cosa Nostra. It was rebranded again and again with the names of different mob groups, Sicilian hit-men Yakuza mafia brought the Mafia. It seemed like nothing could bring him down all the while he kept emailing Chris. weirdly. You're a now. Openly admitted that his sites were a scam, but he said that was the reason not to. To take them down in his mind, he was stopping crime by wasting time and money of aspiring killers as your wrote to journalist. John Volpicelli if you intend to report HITMAN SCAMS, you're basically citing up with those would be murderers, helping them to avoid scams and traps, and helping them to find other means to do their kill. It is a moral right to scam criminals and would be murderers. chirp maybe he has a little bit of a point, but clearly stealing money from these people isn't going to stop them from committing the murder on their own. It's just delaying the inevitable. If he doesn't share all of the information, he collects with police. He's partially responsible if anything happens. But it does seem like eight as murder. Your had a bit of a change of heart even if he didn't change his business practices at all. In two thousand eighteen CBS show forty eight hours, didn't episode on Hitman for hire sites and they actually reached out to Europe or comment amazingly, he started sending the producers, the names of some of his customers and targets. He apparently wanted to prove that he was serious about stopping crime. As tips lead the arrest of four of his own clients. An army specialist was sentenced to fifteen years for the attempted murder of his pregnant girlfriend. A nurse in Illinois got ten years for attempted murder of her lover's wife, and a man in Singapore tried to kill his ex lover's new boyfriend, and he got five years for that. There was even a California man who was. was sentenced to three years for ordering a hit on his stepmother, and his sense was lighter, because even though the full cost of the job was nine thousand dollars, he'd only paid about three dollars before forty eight hours tipped off the police, but not every story had a happy ending in June two thousand eighteen. Someone ordered the murder of twenty one year old Brian Girogio. WHO WAS ON LEAVE IN INDIANA? Now you're a didn't follow through on this hit as usual but a week later, Brian was found dead from a gunshot wound to the head under the stared at a local baseball field. This is hard to believe, but even though the police were tipped off about the hit order, they didn't investigate Brian's death at all. It was ruled a suicide and the case was closed within A. A couple of days, so this could be the second death linked to yours website, but it's impossible to say for sure at the very least when the forty eight hours special aired in September, two, thousand eighteen, it meant yours as days were numbered in June of two thousand nineteen. He emailed forty eight hours saying that unfortunately after your show, the business has decreased tremendously. People concluded that the site is a scam. Now there's really no surprise there. But he also claimed that he was getting out of the murder business and had opened a restaurant as strange as it sounds. This was the detail, but might finally give up yours identity with the help of an intelligence analyst. Forty eight hours was able to connect some of the hacked data from one of yours dark web sites to an email address that belongs to an older Russian woman living in New York City from there, they found an. An email address for her son in law, which contained the words gun and Killa that man had moved to the US in the nineteen nineties owned Tech Company and had recently bought a restaurant forty eight hours, actually tracked this man down in New York City in early twenty twenty. They ambushed him on the street and asked him. Are You Ura? The man denied having any idea what they were talking about. In claimed, someone must have stolen his identity, but his reactions were bizarrely. Though like he started to get a little bit violent and the forty eight hours team ended up running back to the van before things got out of control. They never got a full interview with the man, and they've never released his name, but based on his behavior. It's totally probable that he could be Ura. And that seems to be the last. Anyone has seen or heard from Europe it. That was really him law enforcement. Is that interested in catching him? Even though his scam sites have brought in an estimated millions of dollars over the past few years. He clearly has never actually killed a person. The real criminals are the customers themselves. I wish I could say that. We could rest easy knowing that there aren't any assassins lurking on the dark web, but the fact that so many people are trying to get random acquaintances or people they love, or no or used to love killed is terrifying on its own. These targets aren't bad people. Their mothers, unsuspecting husbands and wives. Some are even children. There's an old truism that the Internet brings out the worst in human behavior. You're a nameless faceless account on a screen, so you can do or say pretty much anything without fear of consequences. That's what the real horror is about the dark web, the complete anonymity you get to see how people behave when they think no one is watching, and you might find out that the people you love are just monsters in disguise. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify spotify has all your favorite music and podcasts all in one place, and they're making it easier to listen to whatever you want to hear for free on your phone, computer or Smart Speaker. And if you like this show, follow up podcast on facebook and Instagram, and how podcast network on twitter. Supernatural was created by Max Cutler and stars Ashley Flowers and is a podcast studios original. 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ALIEN: The Exeter Incident

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

34:05 min | 3 months ago

ALIEN: The Exeter Incident

"Imagine you just saw a ufo. Your first thought is probably that no one will believe you. You're not even sure you believe your own eyes but then you find out. It's not just you. Who saw it. It's your entire town. That's what happened in exeter new hampshire in one thousand nine hundred sixty five. A flying object was witnessed by so many people so many times there was no question. It was real. Everyone demanded an explanation but when the pentagon finally came back with answers it was clear. No one not even the. Us government could explain away this ufo. This is supernatural apar- cast original. I'm your host ashley flowers every wednesday. I'll be taking a deep dive into a real unexplained occurrence to try and figure out the truth. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. This week we're looking at the nineteen sixty five exeter incident in september of nineteen sixty five new hampshire residents spotted a ufo over the town of exeter. The air force the pentagon and a magazine journalist all launched investigations but for decades. Nobody could explain it until now we'll have more on the exeter incident coming up. Stay with us. One thousand nine hundred sixty five and nearing fall in exeter new hampshire exeter. Is this picturesque town about nine miles from the atlantic think soft coastal breezes old brick buildings and glossy river with a high school rowing team practices each morning. And even though it's early september. The ground is already coated in orange leaves. But in the wee hours of september third. Something unusual appears in the sky around two in the morning in eighteen year. Old named norman. Musk carello is standing on the side of route one fifty about ten miles outside of exeter. He's trying to catch a ride home from his girlfriend's place in amesbury massachusetts. Norman is a high school graduate three weeks away from joining the navy and he doesn't own car so he's been doing this whole hitchhike thing pretty regularly but tonight there's very few cars on the road so he's forced to walk most of the way he doesn't mind too much ruined. Fifty is pretty rule with a smattering of houses. Endless grass fields and a canopy of stars with just a few miles. Outside of exeter. Norman see something weird. It's this row of red lights tilted at about a sixty degree angle. They emerged from the sky in front of him and lower quickly until they're hovering just the ground between two houses but a hundred feet back from the road. The lights are so bright they illuminate the sides of the houses in the surrounding area and they flash one at a time in this rhythmic almost calculated pattern. One two three four five then they begin to move but the whole time they stay the same distance from each other at the same sixty degree angle. It's as if they're all attached to something. When norman describes it later he simply calls it the thing. The lights on the thing are so bright. He can't make out what its actual shape is. But he estimates it's bigger than the houses on either side and it's moving toward him in this swaying side to side pattern almost like a leaf drifting down from a tree the whole time. It makes zero noise even as it gets closer and closer. So close that norman's worried it will hit him so he dives into the shoulder of the road and ducks down. The sudden movement seems to startle the thing because it backs off stopping just above one of the houses at this point. Norman is terrified but it's not like he can just run into one of the houses without getting closer to the thing so he just crouches at the side of the road watching the lights flash one two three four five nearly fifteen minutes. Go by then. Suddenly the things speeds off and disappears over a line of trees as soon as it's gone. Norman makes a run for it. He sprints over to one of the houses and bangs on the door. But nobody answers then. He sees a pair of headlights coming down. Route one fifty. Norman's so to get out of there. He literally runs into the middle of the road and search weaving his arms. Fortunately the car sees him and rolls to a stop. The driver and passenger are a middle aged couple. Who as far as we know haven't noticed anything unusual but norman is clearly scared of his wits so they drive him to exeter police station. When norman gets to the station he meets the night duty. Officer a guy name. Reginald toland tolan can see how shaken up. This kid is norman's lighting cigarette after cigarette. So he asks him to have a seat and explain exactly what happened. No tolan's pretty skeptical when he hears about the strange lights in the sky but he radios out to another officer. A guy named eugene bertrand. Tolan ask bertrand. If he's heard of anything unusual happening that night and bertrand's like what do you mean by unusual so tolan tells him about the flying object and bertrand pauses and then he says yes yes he has at one. Am about an hour before. Norman saw the thing bertrand was patrolling route. One a. one on the other side of exeter to the north. He spots a woman pulled over by the side of the road. So bertrand walks up to her window to see if she's okay. The woman seems terrified. But she's doing her best to keep it together and she explains that she's just been trailed by a huge flying object. It followed her for about twelve miles and it had the same flashing red lights as musk. carello object. She says that when she reached an overpass the object took off ridiculously fast and disappeared. Now bertrand is an air force veteran who served during the korean war. He is tough and level headed not one to get caught up in flights of imagination so at the time he dismisses the woman as eccentric but when he gets the call from toland he decides. It's worth heading back to the station for a chat. When he gets there he meets norman. Who insists that. He saw something unusual he practically begs for someone to go out into the field with him and see if they can spot it again. Eventually tolan decides to send bertrand with norman because if anyone can distinguish between a ufo and a military aircraft it's an air force veteran right so it's nearly three am at this point. There's very few cars out on route. One fifty and the sky is clear. Warm and winless bertrand polls over by a nearby telephone pole and weights with norman for a few minutes but nothing happens bertrand figures. It should be about time to head back to the station. But norman wants to wait just a little bit longer. He suggests that they walk out into a nearby field. Maybe they'll catch a glimpse of it there. Bertrand radios tolan to say. There's nothing there but that he'll be away from his car for a few minutes. And then they walk out into the field with a flashlight up ahead to their left. There's an old colonial home on. The right is a farmhouse and just beyond. The farmhouse is a chorale with several horses and a few livestock. Burton is about to reassure norman that he probably just saw a plane. When all of a sudden the horses in makarov start acting up beer kicking and whinnying as if something is agitating that so bertrand looks up at the sky. And that's when he sees it to their left just beyond the colonial house and floating about thirty feet above the cluster of trees is a row of five red lights. They flash one at a time one two three four by then reverse order five four three two one. The beams are so bright. They illuminate the entire area. Like the sides of the two houses and the field are coded in this eerie blood red colour and they can't tell what these lights are attached to but to bertrand it seems like some sort of round object it is absolutely silent and it's moving towards them. Burton is terrified. He instinctively reaches for his gun. Then he takes a breath thinks for a moment and decides it would be better to make a run for the car so bertrand grabs. Norman they sprint back to the police. Cruiser hop inside and look out the window for several minutes. They watch as this thing hovers in the distance. It's just rocking back and forth with. Its lights still flashing one at a time then it darts further away the movement is so erratic and sudden that bertrand knows without a shadow of a doubt this is not an air force vehicle coming up exeter explodes with ufo witnesses high listeners. Is vanessa from podcast network searching for something a little spooky to dig into. Then check out the spotify. Original from podcast superstitions. everyone's day explore the varying beliefs people around the world fear and follow in this eerie new series. Each week step inside stories. That illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind humanity's strangest codes of conduct. Why do black cats represent witchcraft. What's the point of carrying a rabbit's foot around with you and how come certain films seemed cursed and others don't each new episode of superstitions presents. A story that unlocks the mysteries of unorthodox traditions and surreal phenomena. They may seem mystical or illogical or completely insane. But then again do they follow the podcast series superstitions. Freon spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story. Bertrand is frantically radioing officer. Toland when a nearby patrolman named david honda over. Here's their conversation on the wire hunt drives to where bertrand is and joins him norman out in the field. He gets there just in time to glimpse the craft before it swerves over the trees and flies out of sight in the direction of the ocean soon after they both see and hear a be. Forty-seven louche through the sky. A completely different craft from the hovering object red lights back at the station officer. Tolan gets another call this time. It's from a person who's just spotted the ufo a town that lies between exeter and the ocean and this point five people have seen this thing so tolan calls the hampton police who then call the nearby pease air force base in the morning air force officials come to the exit police station to interview norman along with bertrand toland and hunt. They're asking a bunch of questions and one official acknowledges that the police officers are very credible witnesses. But that's about it. It's like the air force is intent on gathering information. But they don't really know what to make of it or if they do they won't say meanwhile a police report goes out over the radio and in response the exeter police department receives multiple calls from multiple witnesses claiming they also saw the object but in the days that follow the air force stays silent at any rate a couple weeks pass and the hype dies down nobody comes forward with any more sightings beyond september third. But norman and officer bertrand. Can't just forget about it. Norman goes out night after night. Looking for the thing and bertrand says he can't fall asleep without thinking about it then in mid-september another object appears a high school senior named ron. Smith is driving on drinkwater road but a half mile from where norman. I saw the ufo. When suddenly ron sees something in the sky he swerves to the shoulder to get a better look. Run says the craft is bigger than beef fifty two or a b forty seven craft and low enough to the ground that it can be easily distinguished. It's flat but not completely flat. And he describes the shape as an upside down plate so kind of like your typical flying saucer. The bottom is glowing white. And there's a bright red light on the top. Ron doesn't say anything about rhythmic flashing light. So it's unclear if it's the same thing in bertrand and hunt saw but it moves the same way sort of wavering. Back and forth only ron notes that also appears to be spinning the object swoops over his car once then back then he does the whole thing over again and again and again and again almost like as if it's toying with him this totally freaks run out so he puts the car in drive and takes off toward exeter but somewhere along the way he starts to second guess himself like. There's no way what he saw was actually real. So ron turns around goes back to the same spot and sure enough. The thing is still there. Only this time it passes over his car once before speeding away right after it disappears raw notices of global coming from behind a nearby hill. It's not the same red as the light he'd seen on the top of the craft instead. It seems like the multicolored lights of almost like a landing strip. But as far as ron knows there isn't one in the immediate area at this point. He is past being scared. Ron's exhilarates fully committed to solving this mystery so he drives toward the hill to go. Check it out. But the moment his car reaches the top. The field on the other side goes dark rhonda's at one adventure any further since he doesn't know what's down there so he turns around and heads back but then suddenly the lights behind him. turn on. it's as if they turned off the second. He tried to see what they were. Ron heads back to exeter and reports this information to police. It's unclear whether they handed over to the air force but either way his story is just the tip of the iceberg over the next several weeks more and more ufo sightings flood the station all over exeter people reporting seeing a metallic object in the sky and almost all of them describe it as saucer shaped with a dome on talk a few other people report seeing these bright orange red balls floating above their houses. Which is this weird phenomenon. That sometimes happens in connection with ufo sightings the cases become so widespread that everybody in the exeter area wants to see a ufo for themselves night after night. People line up along route eight or route one a. one the highways with the most sightings and most of the time they witness exactly what they've been hearing about witnesses report a flying object that waivers from side to side as it hovers before darting out of sight the even talk about the flashing light pattern that norman noticed at this point. It's october a month since the first sighting and the case has already attracted the attention of at least one ufo skeptic named john g fuller fuller is a columnist for the saturday review. Which is this magazine for. Men sort of like g. q. He first catches wind of the exeter incident in mid september via police. Report on the ufo. That norman bertrand and hunt saw fuller finds it strange that this particular ufo has been cited by multiple credible witnesses so he decides to crack the case himself. He travels to exeter to interview. Norman bertrand hunt along with countless other people around exeter and he finds that most of these witnesses do seem credible eventually fuller starched randomly asking people in town. If they'd seen a ufo and most of them say yes almost all of them describe it the same way dome like shape a pattern of red pulsating lights absolutely silent. Kite like motion. The sheer volume and consistency of these reports is jarring and fuller notes. That many of the witnesses never filed an official police report. Because that's how commonplace. This ufo has become now again. Fuller is a skeptic. He just wants to find a rational explanation and the one entity that does seem like they know something is the air force coming up the. Us government gives their take on the exeter incident. Now back to the story as you have oh sightings pick up in the exeter region the air force definitely seems interesting officials are patrolling the exeter area asking questions and occasionally residents will notice a ufo being tailed by an air force plane. One person even observes a jet plane probably from the air force flying right up to the ufo with the lights on the ufo immediately. Go out as if it knows. It's being followed. Then it whizzes off but the jet plane remains in the same spot circling and circling like. It's studying the patch of airworthy. Ufo was it's enough to make people think that the air force knows something or at least they're gathering valuable information now fuller is warned against contacting the air force. He's told by an official at the nightcap. the national investigations committee on aerial phenomena. That the air force isn't going to release any information he decides to give it a shot so fuller calls the ps air force base. And he's put through to a man named sergeant robert. Sorry bosh sacrifice confirms over the phone that there's been a large number of sightings reported he even whispers about a reporter. He knows that's seen one himself. But he says that any information they gather is sent to a bigger base in dayton ohio for a team of scientists to any conclusions would have to be released straight from the pentagon bullard. Thanks sorry bosch. But he's basically hit a dead end because the pentagon's official stance is that they'll only ever release information on a need to know basis which is just like the classic government response to ufo's whether they know something or not they usually won't say but fuller is still determined to crack this ufo case with or without the pentagon's help to do that. He's trying to find some sort of connection between the sightings and eventually he notices a pattern almost all of the sightings occur near the region's high tension powerlines. Bullard doesn't know what to make of this. At first one person. He talks to speculate that the object could hovering over the power lines to charge. Its batteries or something like almost siphoning electricity and that sounds like a really cool theory but when fuller speaks with a couple of engineers at the exeter and hampton power departments. They haven't noticed any change to the power. Lines voltage still fuller sees power lines. Come up time. and time. again there's over seventy mentions of them in his interview. Transcript so he's determined to prove this means something as he studies ufo sightings across the world. He finds multiple instances of power outages. That happened alongside a ufo citing in the same region. But those are just coincidence. They probably mean nothing. But then on november ninth nineteen sixty five just two months after the exeter incident. The power grid almost entirely breaks down fuller is staying at a motor in in hampton near exeter. And he's headed downstairs to meet a few local writers for dinner when he notices the lights flickering. He doesn't think much of it until a few minutes later when a waitress mentions there's massive rolling blackouts being reported all around the northeast. Us buller watches on tv. As power companies. Across the country scrambled to get the power back on meanwhile there are more ufo sightings in syracuse new york about three hundred fifty miles away from exeter a pilot and five other people. See a big ball of red light about a hundred feet in diameter hovering just over two of the new york. Power authority's biggest lines in new york city. One woman sees some sort of red streak in the sky. Another person spots a sort of silver dome shaped object floating up and down and even sideways and a life magazine photographer. Snaps a picture of new york city during a blackout but when he develops it he sees some sort of silver object hovering above the city. Scape at this point people across the east coast are demanding an explanation. And it's not just the life magazine photo. They're worried about because just a few weeks before the massive power outage the barney and betty hill story comes out now. You've probably heard about this story at least in passing in nineteen sixty five. Barney hill is a leader in the nwa c. p with an iq of one forty and betty's a social worker for the state of new hampshire. Both are highly regarded. Individuals not wants to risk their reputation but with all of the ufo sightings going on. They've decided it's time to share their experience from four years earlier. Allegedly on september nineteenth nineteen sixty one. Barney and betty are driving down. Route three and new hampshire when they find themselves being chased by a ufo. Betty describes it as pancake shaped with a band of lights around the base and barney notices a row of windows around the outside the ufo keeps following them and eventually they hear a weird electric peeping sound. They feel a tingling sensation run through their bodies and then they completely blackout when they wake up there. Thirty five miles from the spot where they lost consciousness. The wristwatches have stopped working with. Ap's that a full two hours have passed and the ufo is nowhere to be seen over the next few years. Betty tries to make sense of what happened that night. She reads books by the nightcap and she even reports the ufo sightings to the air force but she years nothing back meanwhile she suffers from terry nightmares and barney experiences anxiety and develops so eventually. Betty hires a hypnotist. And after weeks and weeks of sessions the hills uncover their memories of what happened that night supposedly after they lost consciousness. Nfo landed on their car and strange grey. Aliens brought them on board the ship. Barney and betty were brought to separate examination rooms where the aliens removed. Their clothes took samples of their hair skin and nails and probed them with needles. And okay like all of this. Sounds absolutely wild. But barney and betty thought so too. It's not until nineteen sixty five when all the weird stuff is going on it. They feel compelled to share their story at a ufo lecture in dover thirty minutes from exeter over four hundred people attend and the qna last well over an hour with many sharing their own experiences. The lecture basically convinces the whole town that they really are seeing a ufo. In the meantime it seems like the government is finally ready to take some preventative measures because on october. Twenty seven about a week and a half before the hills gave their talk the pentagon releases a statement they claim the exeter sightings are the result of a weather in berge in in the area. That's basically when a layer of cold air is trap between two warm layers which can make stars and planets appear to be moving in the sky so basically the pentagon is saying that this is all an illusion. This is obviously kind of an absurd theory. There's no way. Dozens upon dozens of people missed took twinkling stars for an intelligent aircraft at close range. It's honestly kind of offensive to the witnesses and remember officers bertrand and hunt saw this thing to bertrand is former military. Hunt is a well respected member of the police force. They know a plane from the night sky. The bigger problem is the. Us government is even being consistent because a month after the pentagon releases their statement bertrand and hunt receive a letter from a major over at the wright patterson air force base in greene county ohio. That's the place where. Ufo's are investigated. The major has eight totally different excuse to offer. He says that they must have gotten mixed up in a training operation involving be forty seven planes one that took place on september second and went into the wee hours of september third. Now this kind of lines up right like officer bertrand and not both saw a forty seven bomber shortly after the ufo reappeared but again bertrand is an air force veteran. He knows what a bomber looks like. He's probably flown one. What he saw before the be forty-seven wasn't a military plane now. The letter he and hunt received isn't dated so there's no way of knowing whether the air force reached this conclusion before or after the pentagon statement about the weather but bertrand and hunt or By the inconsistency they write a response to the major basically saying like no thank you we saw what we saw and eventually they get a response straight from the pentagon. It says that they are unable to affirmatively. Identify the flying object but they believe it is quote either created or set aloft by man generated by atmospheric conditions or caused by celestial bodies or the residue of meteoric activity and quote essentially. They're saying it could be anything but a ufo after that bertrand and hunt have no choice but to give up the trail goes cold but sightings continue into the following year meanwhile fuller returns to connecticut where he writes a few articles on the exeter incident in one thousand nine hundred sixty six. He publishes a bestselling book which revives national interest. But there aren't any new theories until two thousand eleven that's when scientists and longtime ufo consultants. James gay and joe nickell released a special report. That could explain what happened in exeter. It has to do with the sequencing red lights that one two three four five five four three two one it turns out. There is a military aircraft with five very bright lights. That flicker on and off in that exact sequence. It's a casey ninety seven tanker. An air force refueling plane. That would have been used at places like the pease air force base in new hampshire. It was probably used in the b forty seven exercise that occurred the night of september second and even if the exercise was technically over there could have been tanker-planes left in the sky which also explains why the craft was sometimes seen with air force. Jets trailing it. This was probably how they were refueled. So all of this starts to make a lot of sense especially because this isn't a well known aircraft. It's four refueling not fighting. Even if you've been in the air force like bertrand you might have forgotten about it but if it really was a casey ninety seven why in the world couldn't the pentagon identify it. They should have looked at their own plane. Inventory and matched the road lights in a heartbeat. It also doesn't explain the saucer. Shaped most people report it or the random blackouts. All over the northeast or the glowing. Orange balls that popped up around exit are then. There's barney betty's abduction. If their story has any truth to it we have to believe that you oppose exist. The government man not want to believe it or admit it but it's definitely possible in the end. The best explanation is sometimes the most incredible one and that doesn't make it any less real. Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode for more information on the exeter ufo. We found incident at exeter by john fuller extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of supernatural in all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. And if you liked the show follow app podcast on facebook and instagram and podcast network on twitter supernatural stars ashley flowers and his a spotify original from podcast. It's executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by kerry murphy with production assistance by ron shapiro and carly madden this. Episode of supernatural was written by stacey lima with writing assistance by drew. Cole and ali wicker fact checking by anya barely and research by mickey taylor do your more stories hosted by me. Checkout crime. Junkie and all audio chuck originals. Hi it's vanessa again. Don't forget to check out the new spotify. Original from podcast superstitions. Listen every wednesday for the surprising backstories to our most curious beliefs and thrilling tales. 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THE UNKNOWN: Dyatlov Pass

Supernatural with Ashley Flowers

32:36 min | 1 year ago

THE UNKNOWN: Dyatlov Pass

"Almost every country has one moment in their history that spawned a whole culture of conspiracy theories in the US we have the JFK F. K. assassination in the UK. It's speculation about Jack. The ripper and Russia has the love pass incident in Nineteen fifty-nine a group of nine hikers died in the Siberian wilderness. Under incomprehensible circumstances according to the Russian Prosecutor General there are at least seventy five different theories but not a single one of them can fully explain what happened This is supernatural apar- cast original and I'm your host Ashley Flowers every Wednesday. I'll take a deep dive into a real unexplained mystery to try and figure out the truth this week. Were talking about the Seattle of pass incident. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. And if you like what you're hearing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and on twitter at podcast network on January twenty third nineteen fifty nine. A group of students and recent graduates set out from their university in the Soviet Union. For a hiking trip they were all season mountaineers and since they had a month before the start of the next term they were going to test their limits with sixteen day trip to or tort and Mountain in western Russia in the language of the Native Manzi People Oh tortured and reportedly means. Don't go there. It's dangerous especially in the dead of winter when the average temperature hovers around zero degrees Fahrenheit but the group's twenty three year old leader eager. Is it one to back down from a challenge? They spend the evening packing up the dorm and he makes sure they don't forget anything tents food skis to first aid kits cameras. One of the students Georgi even brings his mandolin and of course they bring journals to record everything that happens now. The mountain is over three hundred miles away from town so to get there. They have to take two trains a bus and passenger truck. It's going to be a few days before. They even get to pull out their skis on the initial train out of town. The expedition picks up another member. Who GOES BY SASHA? He was supposed to be joining a different hiking group but the plans fell through at the last minute so he asked eager if he can tag along with them now. Initially the rest of the group is a little apprehensive about Sasha. He's I mean after all a complete stranger. He's thirty seven years old while the rest of them are in their early twenties and he's covered in strange tattoos. One of them is just a long series of letters. That don't mean anything in any known language but he's also hiking instructor and he says he has experience with the mountain that eager and his friends are heading to so they let him join and by the next day he's been fully accepted as one of the game on January twenty eight. The nine hikers finally set out from the last settlement before the Wilderness. The real journey has finally begun according to their journals. For the first couple of days everything is peachy. The weather is nice. There's even a path to follow the local indigenous hunters. The Manzi had painted symbols on the trees but none of the hikers are totally sure. Exactly what they mean. When the sun goes down in the evenings they find a safe place to set up camp and all nine of them are sleeping in the same tent. Which is this like huge thirteen foot long. Behemoth that Echo has customized himself. It's a triangular piece of canvas held up by ropes. That run along the top. And there's this opening for a collapsible chimneys so they can keep the camping so running inside for warm. Once the tent is set up. They Cook Dinner. They talk they pass around that Mandolin and play some music. As far as we can tell from their journal entries and photos it's totally idyllic until the third morning of the hike on January thirtieth when the weather suddenly takes a turn for the worse the temperature drops the wind is blowing in their faces and worst of all it starts to snow pretty soon. The Manzi Trail Ends The forest thins out the few pine trees that are standing our have grown and misshapen sprouting out of snow at crooked angles by late afternoon. Everyone's too exhausted to keep pushing against the wind. They call it a day and set up camp. One of the two girls in the group. Luda is so tired she just plops down by the fire and refuses to move now. The rule is that no one is allowed to sit by the fire until all of the chores are done. There's this big hole in the side of the tent. That someone's gotta so up before they can all relax but it's been a long day. Everyone's a little bit worked up so one of the guys. Nick kind of picks a fight about it. Balloonists still won't get up and Nick refuses to just fix the tent himself eventually. One of the other guys picks up a needle and gets to work but by that point the whole group is already in a really sour mood. Luda shuts herself into the tent and refuses to come out until after dinner by the next morning. The tension has cooled off but the weather is even worst than the day before. The Sky is clear. But somehow it's still snowing. The wind is so strong equal compares it to the jet blast from an airplane taking off between the snow and the wind. They're only moving at about a mile an hour throughout the whole day by four pm they give up and settle in for the night and that's where their journals stop. We don't have any more written records from the expedition. The only way to piece together. What happened next is by looking at the photos that they left behind so the next morning February first. They're all in a great mood. Laughing and joking around camp be need to pack light for the final stretch up the mountain so they build this temporary shelter for storage most of their food extra pairs of skis and sadly the Mandolin are all packed away. And then they set off. The photos from the afternoon are a lot more serious than the ones we saw from the morning. In fact they looked downright apocalyptic they're tracking through total whiteout conditions. Literally all you can see. Are these like dark. Figures marching into a murky grey expanse. And then there's this one final shot it super out of focus and in black and white so it's impossible to tell what the photo actually is. All you can see is a streak of white light that seems to be moving down the left side of the frame against the black background now. It's possible that this was just an accidental exposure. That was made in the dark room when they were developing the photos but if it was taken by the hikers there were only two things that it could be when this camera was found inside the tent it was attached to a small tripod so we can assume that the camera itself was sitting still when the photo was taken so to explain the motion blur that means that the light had to have been moving so either at someone waving around a flashlight or it's some glowing object moving through the night sky is the last record. We have from the expedition. No more photos nomer journal entries. All we know is that night February. First Nineteen fifty-nine. They set up camp on the northern slope of the mountain called Kolatsi uncle beast on the choice of location. It looks like they were planning to continue up the Ridge in the morning and reach their final destination on February third. They were expected to come back into town on February twelfth. But that day came and it went and I didn't show up now before they got to the mountain eager had called a friend and said that they might spend an extra few days out there so at first no one was that alarmed but days end up passing and then a week and they're still no word from anyone twenty-first. It's been four weeks since anyone heard from the campers. The university finally put together a rescue team to go out and look for them. Everyone still expected to find them alive. After all I mean they were experienced climbers and they knew how to protect themselves but when the campsite was finally found on February twenty six. He painted a more ominous picture. The tent was still pretty much standing all of the Poles and ropes. Were still in place but the top had collapsed under a few inches of snow when they took a closer look. They saw that. The side of the tent had actually been slashed open from the inside with a knife leading out from that hole in the side there were eight or nine sets of footprints in the snow and most of them were barefoot. The hikers had obviously fled the tent hurries. And they just cut through the canvas instead of bothering with the flat and they didn't even stop to put their shoes on before running out into the snow but the footprints were not made by people in a panic. The pattern indicates that they were walking calmly at a normal pace. It even looks like one person was carefully stepping into the footprint. Left by someone ahead of them. Nearly a mile downhill from the tent. The rescuers saw a cedar tree with the remains of a campfire under it. Next to the fire pit. They found the first two victims. Georgi and Yuri. They were both barefoot wearing nothing but shirts and underwear. Eventually the investigators would realize that the other campers were wearing their clothes which means your ye and Yuri probably died. I and their friends took their clothes for extra warmth. The also had burns on their legs and feet and the skin on their hands was completely torn up now. The lowest branches on the tree about fifteen feet up had been torn down so it looks like they tried to climb up the tree and injured themselves in the process. More bodies were found a little further up the hill under a thin layer of snow. They've found the group's leader Ebor and Zina one of the two girls in the group from the positions they were in. It looked like they were trying to walk back to the tent but they died of hypothermia before they made it then. After digging a little deeper into the snow they found a third body roost. Him like the others he had died of hypothermia but he also had a fractured skull and bruises on his knuckles. The kind of bruises that you'd get in a fistfight. No one thought much of it at first because so far there wasn't really any signs of foul play no extra set of footprints no unexplainable injuries but only five of the missing hikers had been found. There were four. That were still unaccounted for. It took three months for those last bodies to be found. And when they were finally uncovered on May fourth it changed everything there was a ravine about two hundred and fifty feet away from the Cedar Tree. Where the other bodies had been found. The remaining for hikers had apparently built a sort of makeshift den below the bank to protect themselves from the cold. By the time they were found they were buried under about thirteen feet of snow. Strangely these four didn't just die from hypothermia like the others. They died from massive injuries. Knicks skull was cracked open. Alexander had broken nose and injuries to his neck. Liudas ribs were broken and strangest of all. She was missing her tongue. And both eyeballs. They were just completely gone. Testing revealed that some of their clothes were actually contaminated with radioactive substances. Now it's hard to gauge exactly. How much they were exposed to. Because the melting snow would have washed away most of the particles but the contamination was still way above any level. That could be considered normal. If all that wasn't strangely enough even more questions circled around the final victim. Sasha the interloper who just joined the group on the train he had five broken ribs. Both of his eyes were missing and he was holding notepad in one hand and a pen in the other but he hadn't managed to write anything down and finally he had this around his neck now. Unfortunately the film was damaged by the melting snows. So there's only one frame that's even slightly decypherable. There's this big bright light filling most of the frame and three dark shapes at the bottom that almost like the tops of people's heads. Now this could totally be a technical malfunction or some kind of damage to the film but it does call to mind the last photo from the other camera that was found at the tent. The bright streak of light against the dark background. Sasha was one of only two people who were wearing any kind of shoes. We can assume that he left the tent before everyone else. On the night of February I apparently to take a picture of this light and then something went terribly wrong. The rest of the group cut their way through. The tent walked a mile downhill barefoot in an orderly fashion. Four of them then suffered extreme unexplainable injuries. Radioactivity was somehow involved and by morning they were all dead putting all these pieces together in a coherent picture was a tall order. It all hinged on one question. Why did they leave the tent? In the first place. This was inexperienced group of climbers. They knew the danger of leaving their tent and Subzero temperatures especially without even getting dressed. I whatever force them out must have been even more terrifying than the thought of freezing to that Coming up we'll look at some theories about how and why the campers died and now back to the story when the last four missing hikers were found on May Fourth Nineteen fifty-nine. It raised serious questions about what really happened at Diablo. Pass from the injuries on the bodies. There was speculation that they'd been murdered. The camp was pretty close to a hut built by the local indigenous tribe. The Manzi one theory among the investigators was that the Manzi hunters had attacked the group for trespassing on their hunting grounds. However the Manzi are peaceful. And there's no indication that the ever attacked hikers on this mountain or anywhere else. Besides Manzi hunters had been helping with the search. They were actually responsible for finding two of the bodies pinning. The deaths on them was totally out of line. There was also no unaccounted for footprints or ski tracks on the mountain. So it didn't look like anyone else had been there except for the nine hikers. There weren't any animal tracks either so be weren't attacked by a wild animal which leaves the possibility that the killed each other. Two of the most badly injured victims. Luda and Nick had gotten into a bad argument just a couple of nights before Rousson had bruised knuckles and Alexander had a broken nose so the two of them might have gotten into a fistfight and of course there was Sasha who was more or less a stranger to the rest of the group from what we can tell from the photos and journals. He seemed to get along with everyone pretty well but I mean something could have happened to drive a wedge between him and the others now. It's kind of hard to believe that these young students would just kill their friends out of the blue but when hypothermia sets in it causes confusion and panic. It's fair to say they wouldn't be thinking clearly. The biggest problem though is that they had these internal injuries. That seemed way too severe to be caused by another human being according to the investigators this with a level of damage. You'd usually see a car crash. It seemed more likely that they'd been killed by some natural force but none of those possibilities really added up either. I mean more than anything. Let's just look at the fact that someone's tongue and eyes were missing. No natural force. Does that one theory that often tossed around is an avalanche. The last four bodies were buried under four meters of snow and they were found. It had fallen all at once an avalanche. I mean that would explain the internal injuries however this wasn't even considered as a possibility by the investigators at the scene. There's no record of an avalanche occurring in the area not just in February of fifty nine but ever in the past sixty years. It just doesn't happen there. Besides if there was an avalanche it would have caused way more damage to the tent uphill and he probably would have been running out of the way. Instead of just walking calmly. Another option is a strong wind or sudden snowfall. That partially collapsed. The tent forcing hikers out. The thinking is maybe they tried to build a new camp a mile downhill but by that point hypothermia was already setting in and so the last four survivors built a shelter in the ravine which eventually collapsed on them burying them under feet of snow and causing them severe injuries but again. I don't think any of that explains how your tongue and is go missing now. This apparently though was reasonable enough for the police because just a few weeks after the last bodies were found in May the case was suddenly closed. The deaths were ruled. The result of a natural force. And all of the files were classified. Needless to say a lot of people me included found this suspicious again. Nothing about this theory explains what happened to loot as missing tongue in is or the bright light that was captured on the two cameras or the radiation found on their clothes. Why would they closed the investigation with so many loose threads still hanging but this was the Soviet Union after all and when people mysteriously died or disappeared a lot of people would believe that the government was usually behind it. I mean this whole thing reeked of a cover up the conspiracy theories around this case really started on the day. After Georgis Funeral. His family was holding a private gathering at their apartment and they were visited by two hikers. Who'd been camping out on the same mountain range in early February. They told Yorkies father that on the night his son died. They'd actually seen a strange bright light in the sky over the mountain. They couldn't be sure but they thought it was a rocket over the next few weeks. Several other hikers came forward to police. With similar accounts they all seen some kind of lights or orbs. In the sky this could have just been a natural phenomenon like lightning. And that's what the lead investigator lev initially thought. But then the red flags started popping up as soon as he started connecting the dots between the ORB sightings and the deaths. He was called to Moscow and told by his higher ups to stop looking into. It suggested that the investigation might be a danger to state security as it happens. The area around the mountain was full of military test sites records. Indicate that secret. Missile tests and rocket launches were happening nearby all throughout February and March. If those were the mysterious lights in the sky it opened up a whole new possibility for what happened to the nine campers. According to the Book Mountain of the dead by Keith mccloskey on February first two bomber planes were testing air minds. At a test field nearby these airlines were dropped by parachute and they're meant to explode before they hit the ground. So most of the damage is caused by the shockwave. Instead of actual debris there were unusually strong winds on the night of February first. So it's not hard to imagine that one of the parachute was blown off course and detonated over the campsite. The power of the blast could account for the severe injuries the radiation and the sudden panic that sent them fleeing into the darkness. There's one question that this theory doesn't answer though. Why was Sasha already outside poking around with the camera in the middle of the night? Getting into Sasha's head is a challenge even today. This backstory is hard to pin down. He went by Sasha but some documents also refer to him as Alexander and his actual legal name was simone. He served in the Red Army for four years during World War. Two and then kind of just drops off the map. There's no real evidence of this but with his military experience and sketchy background a lot of people speculate that he was a KGB agent. Remember how he was so determined to go to this particular mountain range on this particular day? I mean to the point where he's joining a group of total strangers when his other plans fell through will the theory is he was supposed to be going there on a secret mission. There are a few possibilities for what he was actually supposed to be doing. An author named Alexi Rick. Heatin thought that he was meeting with foreign agents possibly the CIA another theory by Alexander. Gula Cov is that he was spying on one group of Soviet officials under the orders from a different group of officials despite the differences. Most of these theories agree on one thing. Whatever Sasha was looking for he snuck out of the tent to photograph it. Someone saw him and then they had to intervene. Here's a play by play of how it might have gone down. So soldiers approached the tent most likely by helicopter which would have scared everyone out be probably followed orders and marched down the hill for a while before things got out of hand. Rousson tried to fight the soldiers off bruising his knuckles in the process urine. Georgi tried to climb up the tree to hide. Nick was thrown into the ravine busting his skull on Iraq. The rest of them were pretty much ignored. They would die of hypothermia soon enough. So the soldiers would have been more focused on. Sasha who had taken cover in the ravine with Luda and Alexander. I said earlier that the internal wounds didn't appear to be caused by a human attacker but the Soviet special forces were trained in unique ways of killing and torturing people for example snapping their necks. Like what happened Alexander war pressing down on their chest until they were crushed to death? Which is what happened to Luda. Luda also had her tongue cut out and her eyes removed possibly a message to the others to stay silent about what they saw. And Sasha's is were removed as well and the film in. His camera was damaged beyond recognition. Of course the military men would quickly found out that. Sasha wasn't a foreign enemy after all and if word got out that the Soviet special forces had accidentally killed KGB agent whoever led the attack would be in for some serious trouble so by the time they realise the mistake. The rest of the campers would have already died from hypothermia. All they had to do with cover their tracks literally by smoothing out the extra footprints in the snow. The four bodies that were the most obviously injured were buried in the ravine under several feet of snow to make it look like there had been an avalanche that killed them by the time the rescuers arrived nearly a month later. It looked convincingly enough like a freak accident now that theory's probably one of my favourite theories just for the storytelling alone. There's zero actual evidence that it's true but there's also no solid evidence that it's not true and to me. It's one of the only things that explains why someone's tongue in. Eiser missing again. I cannot let that go and compared to the other conspiracy theories that surround this case this one actually seems pretty plausible so another theory was actually brought up by that. Lead investigator live. Who eventually claimed that? The mysterious flying lights weren't missiles or rockets. After all he thought that maybe they were alien. Spacecraft's that's right. The hikers had been killed by a UFO. There were some unexplained burn marks on a few of the trees in the surrounding forest which to him suggested that the camp had been attacked by a hyper advanced heat. Ray Now this doesn't quite fit with the rest of the evidence namely that they didn't burn to death. I mean they all froze to death in several feet of snow and if the lights in the sky were connected to this incident. It's more likely that they were from a military test. As we discussed not an alien spaceship another theory was put forth in two thousand fourteen by the Discovery Channel who released a documentary called Russian. Yeti the killer lives and I'm going to spoil it right now. The idea that a Yeti did. This is ludicrous. We already disproven the possibility of an animal attack and the only piece of evidence in the documentary is a photo that the hikers took of this blurry figure in the forest which is very obviously a person but amid all of this wild speculation. It seemed like we were only getting further and further from the truth about what happened unless new evidence was found there was just no way to make the pieces fit together but after six decades that was unlikely to happen but then on February first two thousand nineteen sixty years to the day after the data pass incident. The Russian government made a shocking announcement. They were going to re open the investigation. We'll take a look at the new developments right after this now. Let's get back to the story on February first. Two Thousand Nineteen Russian Prosecutor. General announced a new investigation into the love pass incident. They didn't give any rationale for why they were doing this. No new evidence had been found in sixty years now presumably. They wanted to shut down the conspiracy theories but this announcement had the opposite effect the Government had compiled a list of seventy five theories about what happened but they would only be investigating three possibilities an avalanche a snow slab hurricane according to spokesman the idea that the Russian government had anything to do with. The incident is quote out of the question. If you think the sound suspicious you're not alone. We've already discussed the avalanche theory and it's one of the least likely of the bunch. There is zero indication that there has ever been an avalanche in this area. A snow slab is a little bit different but not much. I mean it's basically when an entire layer of snow breaks loose and slides down the mountain in one piece. It's self evident that the snow slab did not roll over the tent or it would have been more badly damaged. I guess there could have been one nearby which might spook them into leaving the tent. But it still doesn't explain the injuries. I mean maybe there was a second snow slab that only hit four people near the ravine and then completely avoided. Everyone else by the tree was just two hundred and fifty feet away but that sounds about as likely as the YETI attack and I don't even know what to make of the hurricane theory either. Since this mountain is a five hundred miles away from the nearest body of water that would be like a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico killing hikers in Kansas. I mean just does not make sense however in the past few years there have been a few other natural theories that are more likely than these three in the book. Dead Mountain. Donnie car proposes that the hikers might have been driven to hysteria by Infra Sand when a wind vortex blows around an object. That's shaped in just the right way. In this case a mountain it can cause sound waves at frequencies so low that we can't consciously here it. Those waves known as infra sound can supposedly cause a whole host of symptoms like headaches nausea and even internal organ damage if the hikers were affected by in for sound which is a big if I car thinks that might have caused a panic which sent them fleeing from the tent. The sound itself could be responsible for their internal injuries or mean or the hysteria might have led them to beat each other to death. But here's the thing though. The research on infra sound is pretty murky and there's no evidence that naturally occurring wind can cause symptoms that severe. I mean some scientists Dow in for sound can cause any physical symptoms at all. We can't definitely disproved this theory but it stuck with all the others in the realm of speculation another recent theory which came from a Swedish and Russian expedition in two thousand nineteen. He's that the incident was caused by catastrophic wind in basic terms. That's a wind that blows downslope with an extremely violent force. Some catastrophic winds can blow as fast as hurricanes based on what we know about the weather from the hikers photos and journals. It's pretty likely that one of these winds formed on the night of February I. If the tent was in the middle of the wind blast the sides would have started to collapse forcing everyone out with such powerful winds blowing. They wouldn't have had much of a choice but to walk downhill until they found a safe place to wait it out. They built a fire dug a shelter into the ravine to protect themselves. Yuri and Georgi were the first to die of hypothermia at which point the others took their clothes for extra warmth at some point Eager Zena and Rousson decided to head back up the hill to the tent. But they didn't make it far before the cold got them. To Sasha Luda Nick Alexander kept holding on in the ravine but eventually the shelter collapsed. Crushing them underneath. What really makes this theory stick out? Is that a similar event happened in Sweden in nineteen seventy eight where a group of skiers were killed by catastrophic. Wind the weather conditions and topography at the outlet pass were really similar to the incident in Sweden as it stands right now. This looks like the most logical explanation for what happened. But I mean they're still a few pieces of the puzzle that don't fit like the radiation on the group's clothing and missing eyes and tongue. The problem with every one of these theories is that while they're all technically possible. None of them are a perfect fit. You can't explain every piece of evidence without jumping through bazaar logical hoops. Autumn's razor says. The simplest solution is usually the correct one but there is no simple solution here. Only varying degrees of insanity Thanks for listening. I'll be back next week with another episode. You can find all episodes of supernatural and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. 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NEW SHOW: Park Predators

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NEW SHOW: Park Predators

"High Crime Junkies I'm your host Ashley Flowers popping in your feed on a Tuesday to tell you about a brand new audio. Chuck show that just dropped. It's called Park predators this limited true crime series we'll take those of us who are still stuck inside and unable to travel out into some of North America's most beautiful national parks and we'll tell you about. About some of the most sinister crimes that happened in them, you'll recognize the host apart predators as our very own Delia d'ambra, who hosts our other show counter clock here take a listen to the trailer, and then go subscribe and listened to the first few episodes of Park predators that are out right now you can subscribe and listen wherever you get your podcast. In the woods, the desert and mountains, the natural world is balanced. There's predators and they're spray. A vast landscape like a national park is the perfect place for Predator. There's endless places to hide remote spots. Only few people know how to get to and ground. No one will ever stumble across. But sometimes the breathtaking beauty of these national parks mass, the evil lurking within and both the natural environment and swarms of tourists, visiting these parks every year allow killers to blend in and go undetected. Are Predators is an eleven episode. Audio Chuck Original Series hosted by me. Delia de Ambra in each week, starting July seventh, bringing you new story of human predators in park lands across north. America, who chose to defy nature and use the beautiful landscapes around them to cover up unspeakable crimes. Subscribe to Park Predators for free on apple PODCASTS, spotify or wherever you get your podcast to be sure you don't miss the first two episodes, and I'll see you in the park on July seven.

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Introducing Very Presidential with Ashley Flowers!

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14:14 min | 8 months ago

Introducing Very Presidential with Ashley Flowers!

"Hi It's Greg like most of you. I'm always trying to find a great podcast series to dive into I, can't get enough and with the newest spotify original from podcast. I found my next favorite. It's called very presidential with Ashley Flowers at it highlights the wilder side of the American presidency. Twenty twenty election host Ashley Flowers uncovers the most damning details about history's most high-profile leaders from love affairs and cover ups to blackmail schemes and even murder. She'll expose the personal and professional controversies. You may never knew existed ready to dive in check out the exclusive clip from the first episode on the secret and not. So secret exploits of President John F. Kennedy. If you want to listen to the whole episode, follow very presidential with, Ashley. Flowers, free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi Guys I'm Ashley. Flowers. And if you've heard my podcast crime junkie or supernatural, you might know me as a true crime lover. But there's another interest of mine that I'm excited to share with you guys and depending on who we're talking about. There's even a little true crime esque in there too. If you grew up in the US, you probably grew up with this image of the former presidents as these serious dignified, insanely boring old men who never had. Had any fun in their lives and there's a reason. This is all the history books. Tell us because the truth is, well, it's embarrassing for the country and almost too wild to believe the White House has been full of scandals, secrets drama, and even a little bit of true crime from the very beginning and the more you learn about what was really going on in the Oval Office. The more you'll have to wonder how did we make it this far? Welcome to very presidential, apar-, cast original. In this podcast, I'm going to be looking at fifteen presidents who'd be on the mount, rushmore of bad behavior and today I'm starting off with one of the most beloved presidents in American. History. John. Fitzgerald Kennedy in less than three years. JFK was involved in more scandals than most people can hope for in a lifetime, he basically turned the. The White House into the playboy mansion accidentally slept with not one. But two spies met with foreign leaders in a drug addled Hayes and nearly started a nuclear war because he wanted to look good in the press for decades. The public didn't have a clue about any of this. But the facts we have now call into question everything. We thought we knew about the Kennedys. John F., Kennedy was a Rockstar at forty three years old. He was the youngest president ever elected, and arguably the hottest every woman in America was swooning over his boyish good looks toss alled hair and casual self confidence, and even though the Kennedys are one of the richest families in America. He was seen as sort of an underdog. He was the first Catholic president ever elected, which was a big deal for Irish. Catholic community more than anything. Jack. As his friends called, him was a breath of fresh air. He was young energetic, a family man, his wife Jackie was already becoming a fashion icon. His brother. Bobby was appointed as the new attorney general, which let's say was a bit of A. Choice, but love them or hate them the Kennedys were America's new royalty? Of course, though that image was carefully crafted. Even after his death, the Kennedy family went to extreme lengths to hide anything that might compromise Jack's reputation. And there was a lot. Let's start with that youthful vigor. That was one of his main selling points, just fifteen years before in nineteen forty-five FDR had in office after a long period of illness. So everyone was worried that the same thing might happen again, which is why throughout the nineteen sixty campaign jack insisted that he was in perfect health, but this was a complete lie. JFK's health problems are no longer a big secret today, but most historians till, Kinda, tend to skim over how serious they actually were and what he did to cope with them. It's literally a miracle that Jack was still alive to be president at age forty. Forty three I mean he'd been extremely deathly ill, his entire life he'd actually been. So close to dying that he had his last rites administered on four separate occasions. He was eventually diagnosed with Colitis, which is this chronic disease of the large intestine, and he also had Addison's disease which causes hormone deficiencies and as a side effect of the steroids that he had to take. He had back problems that caused him to be in constant pain. Now, none of this sounds too serious in terms of how it affects someone's decision making I, mean, sure it's distracting to be in pain all the time, but he was still mentally sound, right. Well. He would have been but to deal with his pain, Jack was taking basically every drug known to pharmacology I mean we're talking morphine sedatives, barbiturates narcotics. He was even on four kinds of steroids daily including anabolic steroids, and that's the same kind athletes use for muscle building, and they're known to cause paranoia mania an aggression after long term use. Essentially, if Jack had to take a drug test, he would have been fired from any government job. Job and probably referred to a Rehab Center, and yet here he was with his finger on the nuclear button making decisions that would affect the entire glow. Now, a lot of biographers insist that Jack's health problems and medications didn't have any effect on his leadership, but psychiatrist Naseer Gami who rebuke Jacks medical files said that claim was hard to accept biologically especially when you look at his actual behavior in office, which was an endless parade, a disasters. On Day three in the white. House. Before he even had time to settle in Jack, got a visit from the CIA director. There was one little thing that needed the president's attention. The CIA had been training guerilla army to invade Cuba an overthrow the government. The US wasn't a fan of Cuba's Prime Minister Fidel, Castro. He was a socialist and this was the Cold War. But Jack Wasn't totally convinced that staging a coup was the best answer mostly because if anyone tied back to the US, it be a whole international. International Crisis. But the CIA says, don't worry about it. We're going to invade. Yes. But it's not gonna look like an invasion. We've recruited over a thousand Cuban rebel fighters for the job. So we play our cards, right? No one had any idea that the US was ever involved. So Jack says, okay, fine. Let's let's do it. But just to be extra sure that it doesn't fall back on. US. US forces are not allowed to participate in the invasion at all in any way shape or form ever the end. But the fifteen hundred Cuban guerrillas, send them on their own with no backup, and let's just see what happens, and of course, what happens is a complete disaster. When the invasion takes place on seventeenth grill fighters barely make it onto shore a hundred eighteen of them or killed over three, hundred wounded, and the rest are all captured and not only does the Bay of Pigs invasion fail miserably. But it's obvious that the US was behind it. The biggest consequence for Jack is that he kind of looks like a bumbling idiot both at home and abroad, everyone's worst fears were conferred. Maybe JFK is just a pretty face and he's too young and too inexperienced to actually lead. The next night Jack is meeting with a couple advisors in the Oval Office when he suddenly breaks off mid-sentence and walks out into the Rose Garden, he spends an hour just walking around silently by himself. The next morning, his press secretary finds him crying in his bedroom, and then over the next few days, he keeps muttering to himself. How could I have been so stupid, of course, it might have had something to do with the FBI storage lockers worth of drugs that he was taking, and despite all the meds his underlying conditions. Conditions were only getting worse in fact, just a month later in May of nineteen, sixty one he throughout his back during a tree planting ceremony I mean so bad that he couldn't even walk. This was a problem because in a couple of weeks, he was supposed to fly to Europe to meet the Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev in the Cold War perception was everything he couldn't show up hobbling around on crutches. He'd look like a weakling in front of the whole world press. So he decided to call this guy doctor Max Jacobsen. Doctor Jacobson was sort of a mad scientists slash doctor to the stars. He treated everyone who's anyone and he had this miracle shot that gave his patients so much energy and euphoria that they actually called him Dr. feelgood. which just as an aside, maybe never go to someone called Dr Feelgood. So with this summit, coming up Jack Invites, Dr Feelgood to the. The White, house, without consulting any of his regular doctors after one injection, Jack. Is practically leaping across the room without his crutches heels on top of the world. clear-headed. No pain. So he even asked Dr Jacobson to come with him to Europe. In case he needs another fix. So you're probably asking what was actually in these magic injections mostly amphetamines fettah means. So if you're keeping score, the president is now shooting up speed. He's on Royds, downers, narcotics, and whatever else was in Dr, Jacobson's shots because even today no one is totally sure what the full recipe was. But Jack said, I. Don't care if it's horse piss. It works. The thing about amphetamines though is when they stop working, you are in a world of trouble especially if you're trying to negotiate a peace treaty with the Soviet. Premier. When Jack arrived in Vienna for the summit Doctor Jacobson gave him a quick injection, and then he was off to the races I mean, he was even described as bounding down the steps of the embassy. He looked like he could run laps around the sixty seven year old Khrushchev. But. As soon as they got to talking Jack was clearly not functioning at one hundred percent. He bumbled his way through the whole afternoon without accomplishing really anything by dinnertime. Even reporters who saw, Jack, leaving the building could tell that his energy was crashing. And by the end of the second day, well, it's generous to assume that he was going through withdrawals because the only other explanation is that he distributed lost his mind during their very last meeting. Khrushchev threatened is up to the US to decide whether there'll be war or peace and Jack. replied. Then MR chairman there will be war, it will be a cold winter. Now, this was the exact opposite of what the US was hoping to get out of this event. Jack. said it best himself in an interview immediately after the meeting? Worst thing in my life, he savaged me. For a minute, it looked like Khrushchev might have rhetorically beaten to death a week or two after he gets back to the White House on June sixteenth, Jack comes down with a fever I. Mean, he can't even get out of bed. He has to cancel all of his appointments, his doctors on red alert because when you have Addison's disease, any small infection can potentially be. Be Life threatening. So they decide to pump him full of antibiotics and steroids and narcotics even more than usual, but his condition just keeps getting worse for a whole week by June twenty second. He nearly dies all the while the press is being told that he has a mild viral infection. The public has no idea that the commander in chief is basically on his deathbed. Miraculously. Jacks. Health finally starts to turn around he makes a slow but steady recovery and when the test comeback they all finally find out what caused this near fatal infection. Arab actor, Clohessy, a bacteria that outside of a hospital setting is usually sexually transmitted. So the president just almost died of an S. T. D. and the burning question pun intended is who gave it to him? Well, it's a little hard to narrow down because in his downtime between Ding international crises and shooting up enough drugs to kill racehorse. JFK was sleeping with just about every woman in the. Beltway. To find out what happens next listen to very presidential with Ashley Flowers, free, on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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