19 Episode results for "Arte"

oneiric

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

01:53 min | 1 year ago

oneiric

"It's Marian. Blisters word of the day for June fourteenth. Today's word is own Eirik, spelled O, N, E r I c own Eirik is an adjective, that means of or relating to dreams. It's a synonym of the word dreamy. Here's the word used in a sentence from the new Republic by Nicholson Baker somewhere along, the twisty path of the twentieth century, Vladimir Nabokov our brilliant, dreamer in chief came into contact with 'aeronautics, engineer and philosopher, John, w Dunne's theories of own. Ira prophecy, and was evidently inspired by them. The notion of using the Greek noun or narrows, meaning dream to form the English adjective on Iraq wasn't dreamed up until the mid eighteen hundreds, but back in the late fifteen hundreds and early sixteen hundreds linguistic dreamers came up with a few own IRAs, spin offs giving English. The words own arrow criticism, narrow critical and narrow critic each referring to dream interpreters or interpretation, the surgeon IRAs derivatives at that time may have been fueled by the interest, then among English, speaking scholars in own IRO Krittika, a book about dream interpretation by second century Greek. Soothsayer Arte, Madore Reuss, Dow Dino's in the seventeenth century English. Speakers also melted, the Greek word own. I rose with the combining form Mansi, and they end, see why meaning devastation to create Onaran Nancy. Meaning divination by means of dreams with your word of the day, I'm Peter Sokolow ski. Visit Mary Webster dot com today for definitions wordplay and trending word look ups.

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Coronavirus, Farmworkers And America's Food Supply

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:10 min | 3 months ago

Coronavirus, Farmworkers And America's Food Supply

"N. P. R. Geraldo Res- Chavez has been working on farms. Since he was eleven. I have been working in the fields since I was a kid harvesting. Which is what Hermanos Geraldo lives in southern Florida just north of the everglades but he's worked in orange groves and fields all over the state these days though. He spends most of his time organizing workers and advocating for better working conditions and those working conditions. He says are typically pretty bad. No personal space crowded quarters no benefits low pay and now he says those conditions are putting people in immediate danger. Our community is in a really vulnerable position while at the same time farm workers like him have been deemed essential by the US government. Geraldo says glad for the recognition of the importance of the work. But there also seems to be a disconnect because although farm workers have been ordered to keep working in many cases they're not being given masks or gloves and their jobs are packing them together the expectation of dude this job. That's essential goes in stark contrast with a reality which is how can you be doing a job? That's essential but you are sent without any type of protective equipment. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Vanik Smith and I'm Cardiff Garcia today. On the show farm workers many of the people who harvest crops are finding themselves in an almost impossible situation. Working conditions are unsafe but they have to keep working and not only does that put their lives at risk it also poses a very real threat to the country's food supply support for NPR and the following message. Come from Baron streetwise a new weekly podcast hosted by Barron's Jack how you'll hear from Bob Eiger at Disney Stewart Butterfield at slack. An more subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen. This message comes from capital group. Home of American funds. Nearly Ninety years of experience helps you say I can partner with this firm to navigate tough times visit capital group DOT com slash market volatility American Funds Distributors Inc. for Arte Raise Chavis says that in farm work. Today's start early. Well average. Stay you wait pop. You go to the parking lot in town where you are then selected throughout the work and if you're selected to work he says you pile into a bus and make a long trip out to the fields. You are transported Alba crowded buses thirty to forty people in one for purpose. Schoolboys and then get to the failed. Start working the workday is long ten to twelve hours. And it is backbreaking physical Labor after work people usually go to housing provided near the fields very cramped housing you leave with ten to twelve or the people inside. The mobile homes and the lack of personal space in the extreme crowding have always been a problem. Harare says but now he adds there posing a dire health risk to there are about two and a half million farm workers in the US. And it's estimated that at least half of them are undocumented so they can't get unemployment insurance and they will not get stimulus checks from the government in fact there were no explicit protections or benefits for farm workers or undocumented workers in the massive cares act. The congress passed a couple of months ago. Meanwhile Geraldo says on many farms. That are no masks or gloves. Provided people are still packed together in the fields and in housing they have no sick leave and nowhere to isolate. If they start feeling ill. The message that it sounds is that we are acceptable. As worker you're expected to continue to produce food for everyone else brisk in your own life in the process Seems like a very very unfair preposition. Farda says there's an economic side to this is well farmworkers. Generally do low paid work. They get paid on average about fourteen dollars an hour. Roughly half of what. Us workers get per hour again on average without stimulus or unemployment benefits. Even if workers feel like they're getting ill many will feel they have no choice but to keep working there even been reports of farms who are ordering workers to show up. Even if they feel sick there is this feeling of powerlessness. Like what are we supposed to do because he we don't go to work? Then how are we supposed to have food for ourselves and our habits conditions are just ripe for massive outbreak? It should be the kind of thing that keeps people up. Daniel Costa is the director of Immigration Law and Policy Research at the Economic Policy Institute. Think-tank Daniel says. This situation is basically a tinderbox corona virus in one community of about thirty thousand foreign workers in Florida. One hundred fifty tests were conducted in thirty came back positive for covert nineteen. That's twenty percent to big community to you can take a a situation that is already really terrible. The low pay tough conditions for markers and you can just make it much much worse when when they all get sick with corona virus and it spreads to them and then it spreads to their family and all of them are underinsured and probably don't live in large houses where they can quarantine in one in one room and the rest of the family and other rooms. It's just the conditions. Are there for a lot of bad things to happen. And for it to have a real impact on our food supply. Our food supply. A lot of crops are harvested by machine but many still need to be harvested by hand including blueberries. Tomatoes Peaches avocados oranges. Without workers. Those foods won't be harvested. They will just brought in the fields right now. It is strawberry harvesting time. We spoke with Hector. Luhan one of the biggest berry growers in the country Hector grows mostly for driscoll berries in has farms all over the US in Mexico and employs tens of thousands of Workers Hector says if covert nineteen hits the farmworker community. He's not sure what he'll do. We could lose accrue we could lose a field just by a couple of people getting sick and the whole field goes full. Crop of strawberries can cost you thirty thousand dollars to Nacre just to grow it. Then you have to harvest it. It's a lot of investment. That's it's not sitting in a bank or it's not a and it's not a building that you can later sell. It's a crop that's alive and if you don't pick it you just don't get the value back. Hector has put a bunch of measures in place to try to protect his workers. He only lets small number of workers on transportation buses at a time. He space people out during harvest. He provides masks and wash stations in the fields and also free healthcare at clinics near the fields. He says he's chosen to take these measures because he cares about his workers. And it's the right thing to do but he also needs these workers to be healthy. For his business labor shortages have already become a problem for farmers in the last few years with immigration crackdowns and have covered nineteen takes a lot of workers out of the labor force even temporarily heck you're says farms like his won't have any way to get their fruits and vegetables out of their fields and into supermarkets. They will lose their crops. Their businesses will be devastated in the whole. Us Food supply would be compromised. My biggest concern is there won't be anybody to pick our crops here in the United States Geraldo Raise. Chavis says he hopes the urgency of these concerns gets lawmakers he wants to see some basic protections put in place right now before the situation among farmworkers gets truly dire is a shortage of food coming that is. GonNa put everybody in a really really tough spot just US. We are in this together and that's not cliche statement. We are in this together so people need to be aware of that. Somebody needs to be able to to push for people to realize that that human beings behind the food they need that for me is sacred and food is a sacred connection. This episode of the indicator was produced by Camille Peterson. Fact checked by Britney Cronin. The indicator is edited by Patty hearst and production of NPR.

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Build Your Own Future With Or Without The Establishment

The Thriving Artist

30:56 min | 2 months ago

Build Your Own Future With Or Without The Establishment

"Walter Driving Artists podcast of educational feature of the Clark Healing Fund for visual artists the clock. Healing Fund exists to provide business trading and entrepreneurial, learning to visual artists to turn working artists into thriving artists, sitting our appreciation to Jerry's Arte Rama for Supporting C. H F and this episode of the thriving artist podcast Jerry specializes in art supplies and framing. You can find them online at Jerry's Rama dot com, and at seventeen retail locations across the country Jerry's passionate to serve artists. They're on Instagram at sign. Jerry's Arte Rama. Just a brief announcement that C., H. F. has just released its annual report. This is our highlight reel providing quick head of high dosage insight into how we're unlocking the staggering potential of a world driven by creativity and connection, a world fed by artists and innovators, the summary of are fulfilled and fully delivered promise to mobilize. Your support can be found at Clark feelings fund dot Org Slash reports now our guest today is Ashley Longshore. New Orleans based artist Ashley Longshore has never waited for industry gatekeepers to open doors for her. She's a wildly. Wildly. Successful Self made entrepreneur owner of the Longshore Studio Gallery and to household name instagram profiles. Her collaborators and partners are a WHO's who of upscale brands and celebrities Diane von. Furstenberg Bergdorf Goodman Gucci Rolex and even Miley Cyrus. Her collectors are equally namedrop group including Blake lively, Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek and Eli, Manning, actually has been described as a modern Andy Warhol for her pop art sensibilities Rizzoli new. York has recently published her second book. I do not cook, I do not clean. I, do not fly commercial, actually longshore welcome to the show. Oh I'm so excited to be here and to share my experiences with your audience. Fantastic, so is that book titled? True, do. You really not do any of those three things. Clear flight, I cook I clean and I would give anything on a Delta flight right now. Well I. Don't know if this is your intention with the title, but it's a it's powerful to suggest that visual artists doesn't have to have an identity that involves either starving or cutting off an ear that you can flaunt your success and so on. So, what's your take on those old stereotypes about artists? Oh well I think I think it misunderstanding where I'm coming from my whole. Is to put out there that artists are entrepreneurs that there is no limit to your success, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to be financially successful. The idea is that you get to a point where your your profits are coming in. People are engaging with your artwork. You you have that intimacy within your collector base and you've got enough money in your bank account to make any idea that. That you have in your brain, come to fruition to me that the ultimate goal it sort of play on. You know the old school trophy wife that you know the best thing in the world was just to be able to sit back and have everybody else you know. Pay All your stuff to made the drain to make your own money. That's where the power is an artist. After history artists are the ones creating tangible item that are marking our human experience, so you know that can be as big or as little as you want to be, but this is why creativity and artists are so important in our society. Would call you a celebrity artist? Is it fair to say that you were left? No choice other than to become a celebrity artists, either after because you know the taste makers in the gallery, world initially rejected you. I mean I think in America. It's really great because you have opportunity to make your own pack. And when I was told I, was it marketable? I decided to build this on my own, and although it wasn't the easy way, it was the better way because I understand my audience. Understand. My gauge moment. And you know I I've been able to build friendships that led me to great opportunities. Those opportunities that led me to other extremely successful creative people so You know whether that means. I'm celebrity. Artists are not i. think it just means that I after twenty five years I've been able to find witnessed. People have had great success as being creative authentic people do big. The rejection from the artist talent perhaps isn't actually all that common, or or do you not think? Am I allowed to use profanity? We'll have to believe it out. The establishment. What! Anybody else thinks You know you go after it. You cut your own path. You do what you have to do. You know I've been turned down more than a bed in a cheap motel. Jackson, is part of what's going to happen. No matter what you do as a creative person as an entrepreneur as an entrepreneur, you have to have a strong inner. And know exactly who you are and know exactly what you're creating because I promise you, you are going to be rejected. You're going to be told that you're no good. You're going to get criticized. You must not thrive off of that type of attention period. Ironically I often hear that that the celebrity artist if we could put that in quotes is a designation for the few that make it via the traditional route, but you made it because you turned away from the traditional route. If there is one so once you did that. Did anyone tell you anything about how to start a business or instinct or trial and error sort of play a role? I mean I I have created what I've created on instinct alone. And you know I it's like artists don't how to use tools. They know process. And early on when I realized, I'm not going to work with galleries. I'M GONNA create my own system. I'm not going to give up fifty percent. I'm going to keep. My pop margins. I'm going to build a business. When I realized that I needed to hire people based on the demand of my work, more graphic designers, more photographers, more sales people you know there's a lot of of power in that I mean I I just knew that I was going to do my own way. No matter what so That's the thing you just you find your path, and you go for it it. It is very instinctual I mean. you know now I'm in a position to hire people that have a lot of experience in operations and whatnot I. Mean I have a lot of employees now and I don't want to be a manager so It's I didn't. You mentioned to our producer that growing a business is like the slow and steady progress of termite mounds, getting bigger over many years. What are some of the small steps involved in doing that? I mean listen I. Mean I know I've gotten to I've gotten. It's taken me twenty five years to do so in the beginning, honestly prolific as you can be understanding your inner voice. Being able to figure out how to be kind to yourself when you're not completely inspired it on fire you have to have again that strong inner voice of. I can do this I'm GonNa. Be Okay. It's all right that I'm not inspired right now. It's all these little. inner thoughts positivie and. You GotTa Start Building that wall inside of you because as things start to. The more you put yourself out there. More of you are to criticism and the and the Bulls from the world so I would say that is the beginning also I talked to a lot of artists now that. You know they're like Ashley. You're all these opportunities. You've got these collaborations. You've got these collectors like yes, but let me tell you about how beautiful the part of my career was when all I had was time for my creativity. When I hope the doorbell is ringing when I hope the email digging when I hope, my phone was ringing off the hook you know, and now it's a whole nother process of time management, and the things that I need to do so that I can honor my creativity. Be There for my team. Run A business at time. My collectors have time for these podcasts. You know it's it's a it's A. It's a It's a balancing act. So you know. You have to experience. You have to enjoy every single part of this process and again there there is no instant gratification and success like there is in creativity sometimes. And being arte, having an idea and being able to paint that idea quickly, having the material that I need that. That's a very euphoric thing. The success that you need that you want. In, your career is going to take more time going. GonNa take more time, but it'll be worth it. Got To be patient. So you employ a of thirty people, your job creator and we make that argument at the Clark. Feelings Fund quite frequently that successful artists do create do contribute heavily to the economy. Can you tell me a bit about that workforce? What they do why? You have so many in how they like? Their jobs is kind of like to get a reality program view of that world. Well I have an incredible team. They're all. They're all very artsy. Creative individuals but I have photographers I've got a team of multimedia liaisons than help with all of the glitter application, and the dazzling I have a sailed team. I have a special projects coordinator I have a publicist I have a gallery manager that watches my gallery show room for have a manager that oversees all the multimedia goodness I have people that help with products and mint, and making sure that all of our certificates of authenticity and all the things are put together for all of our collectors and everything shipping appropriately and Safeway I. mean you know there? There's a lot of layers to this. It's like onion. Really I have for a person that just specializes in shop by that helping manufacturing. I've ahead of manufacturing. Sourcing, people that are helping me when I go. Hey, I have an idea I wanNA do two special edition Cookie Jars, you know ev- every year and then I got a sore, thinking person and helps me find. The right artisans that can help the help that come together in my vision then i. have someone else. We run orgasm so. You know asthma. Demand has gone up I've been able to hire this incredible team of. creative. Inspired enthusiastic, gracious individuals that are proud to be a part of a team. That's really making moves in art world. Last week counted two hundred and eighty eight thousand followers on your main instagram, Fifty, eight, thousand on a second one and a huge sales platform for you, one could say size matters, but you didn't get there overnight, and there were punctuated moments of a pithy, so tell me about the time when you sold one point. Three billion dollars worth of art in forty five minutes on instagram. which time do you want me to tell you about? You're. you know I mean. Listen at the end of the day I. Think I see I, see young artists, pulling prints of their work when their paintings are only twenty five hundred dollars and I think damn. You know people spend a lot more than that on handbags and we are talking about art. We're talking about a luxury item. And, that doesn't mean that all art has to be a million dollars. But I think when you look at your career. You have to go. We'll coin prints and are making t-shirts that cost twenty dollars. An iphone covers. That are fifteen dollars. What am I saving? Why am I not figuring out my audience? Why am I not going in with the idea that my goodness you know Pe-? People spend a fortune on. Shoes I mean a pair of high heels can call eighteen hundred dollars boots that women by costs, four thousand dollars and I mean no. Not Everybody is buying that, but also not. Everybody is an art collector. You know being able to collect something that somebody you know. They're taking their favorite. Putting it. You can actually buy it and live with it that that is a very exciting very luxury type of thing. through you know thinking about my work in this way. I've always known you know. I'm looking at polluting kearns right now. Prince of the ultimate insurance policy I'M NOT GONNA. Go Out and dilute my brand by having my work in a bunch of different galleries I'm not gonNA take the products that I am making that are limited edition and allow other stores to sell them because if I do that, I'm rooting the impact. That I can make an demand when I make releases. And the idea is here it is. It's coming if you want it. Here's the link you get on there and get it because the thing is going out to a Lotta people and you gotTa. You got one chance to get it. and. It's just basic. You know law, economics, supply and demand kind of thing. You have a subscription series also called Art Gazza where I think collectors pay a fee monthly or annually. Hand signed items from you. How did that idea come about or was it to market to a specific demographic of? Well, yeah I mean and and what? We were just discussing in me, not making prints and g clays, and all of that sort of thing it is, it's a way for somebody to and and we do. You can make monthly payments so you can buy the five hundred dollars subscription don't want. But how fun! For me to take one of my painters hamlets. That is the foundation of my work and I. Have It signed and doing our? This is something that's GonNa Happen You. I mean. Can you imagine if you wanna Andy Warhol's rollers from screen printing? I mean you know not again. Not Everybody is ready to make that entry level investment You know three thousand dollars to my office? But maybe they have if you dollars a month or five hundred dollars a year. To get these extremely limited edition crow thing that I'm creating specifically so that they go up in value, it really honors idea that you know what artists make our special like for example. Do you remember when Andy Warhol made that book of one dollar bills and I think it was. It was a hundred and eighty one dollar bill, but then the cost. Of the book with three hundred and sixty dollars, just because it had his name on it, and it was like he doubled the price of it just by saying you know because he put it together. You know artists special. We only have so many days on this planet to create. So, you know it's nice to have a platform that isn't prints and g quays, and you know. There's other creative ways to get out there and business You GotTa Get your marketing as you out. So. I think you own your own galleries. You didn't make you're you're not on the back of galleries, nor they on you, but you own your own, and although obviously the pandemic has paused most in person art transactions right now, other than some covid graffiti I saw near the subway. Tell me about your bricks and mortar gallery in New Orleans. Clearly, the physical space is still an important part of how you show your work, so what's different about selling online versus in person? I'll tell you one thing my. Trying to g has always been to be reaching out to bigger cities and You know look I love New Orleans more than anything, but we don't have a huge entrepreneurial base here. That has a lot of new money. That's constantly buying new stuff where city that lets the good times roll. We celebrate art. That's why love being here, but I've really centered most of the majority of my marketing efforts and much larger wealthier market. Because of that the majority of the art that I'm selling eighty eighty five ninety percent of it. Has, already been you know getting lead in from social media? Getting people that had seen my work in New York shows that Houston things. I've done in San Francisco. Miami London. Even Chang I that that you know I'm trying to create that engagement from doing all that work so now. The quarantine got these followers I've got. This base is strongly email. Base I've been growing for years and you know I. Can I was to new painting and boom? You know people already know what they're going to get. The other thing is and I. Say this all the time. You could see a cake image on social media. Well, yeah. It looks delicious. It looks great. How often does that thing look worse? How often does that look or or you know once you finally get it in front of you. Drag your bigger to the. I think it's even better than it was in the photograph. So I've never had a situation where somebody receives the artwork, and they were disappointed after only seeing it in an image I think the most important thing is is. Creating. The that energy and not a nurturer. Let your buyers. No now is the time to collect. And you do that. Using the media using social media using events. You know continually being prolific building building. You know it's not social. Media's not just the answer. Having one art show is not the answer. It takes years of pudding. You know lots of lines in the water. The more lines you have in the face. You didn't catch period most artists. I'd probably ask. Who are your collectors? And how did you find him? But it seems like your collectors find you. Is that accurate or actually? Are you still hunting your public and if so, how? Are, you kidding me I mean listen every time I create a new series and I put it out there for people to see. Know, there's always do engagement. There's always I mean. How many people are on the planet now? Nine billion people in billion people I mean I haven't even begun to reach all the people that could relate to the message that I'm putting out there I mean that's that's the whole thing. That's exciting as an artist. Regardless if you're a sculptor and abstract art at the A painter no matter what your subject matter is what your style is. You are putting out your own life frequency and the magic. Is that other people? are going to connect with that if you're willing to put yourself out there and allow that magnetism to happen. When you when you do that, I it's a magnet for people all over the place. So I. Mean Listen. All out there, looking for more people that love me. You can't ever stop putting yourself out there and hunting for the new collectors fortunately once you get to a certain point though get your art in houses, you in posted images of that you have been you're you're working the media you know it creates a big net, and hopefully you get that magnetism for people who are like minded in their life experience. Specifically focused on some of the celebrity collectors. What's the Blake lively story? How did she become such a brand evangelist for your work? She's just a very kind talented person who really really loves the arts, and so does her husband. And She was filming a movie. down here in New Orleans years ago and Comfortable telling you this because she. She's already told the story. I like privacy you know with my collectors, but She came in and and she you know she. She got it, she she. She loves my art work. She loves color and She's very much a lady, and very much a woman of her word, and it's just been very very good to me over the years here fizzy. Ask about my working as an artist, so you know that that magnetism can happen with anybody that walks into your world collector. One partnerships with big brands and institutions including forty works in Diane von Furstenberg flagship store, and being artist and resident at New York fashion and creating eight portraits for Christians out of show. One would think companies like Rolex don't just collaborate with anyone. So what about your work? Your brand? Your presence do you think attracts the fashion industry in particular? I think because I'm an enthusiastic self made woman. And when you put somebody out there, who is? Created their own business understand what they wanted. The consumer it it. It sends a message and you know I I have built my brand. I have put myself out there, but I am also a consumer and I work hard for the things that I love. I mean it's. It's also you know the things that I do I do with enthusiasm. I do them with gratitude and I think I think that energy is really infectious. I also work my ass off. I worked quickly. Work my team and when I'm giving a huge opportunity up from a billion dollar global corporation I work myself to death to make sure that I not only produced, but I were. And I blow their doors off I mean I live for that moment when they go. You did what you did all this. You made these pediatrics I. Mean I've walked into corporations and they've gone. Have you done this and I'm going no and they're like. Wow, you, you put together something that our entire graphic. He would take them a month You know it's all about earning an opportunity. Nobody's ever given me anything so I've had to work for it. Now you posted on Instagram on February twenty fourth that only thirteen point, seven percent of living artists represented by galleries in Europe and North America are women. Is that because women are being shutout? Incentives to enter that field for women or some other reason in your opinion. That's that's A. that's a serious Heavy conversation to be had I back from this great instagram feet called art, girl, rising and. You know it's kind of like what even when I was in Nevada, kid looking at the largest privately held our collection in the world, and I asked the woman. Where's the art by women? And she looked at me and she said there is none there's no art created by a woman in the largest privately held art. Collection in the world I don't know because for so long women. Weren't really allowed to express themselves creatively. History I don't know because of our own country. Women were combined to being in the home or secretaries or nurses. I don't know because we're just now in this. Unbelievable awakening of diversity authenticity, and being able to put yourself out there and use all this American freedom that we have, but what I know. Is this the more female artists that go out there and that that make their money that are putting themselves out? There the more power we have over the other female artists that are being paid. And you know this goes along with artists from diverse backgrounds in our country I mean it was just a few years ago at our pairs that I started to see paintings of women of color. I started to see a black artists that were being brought into these art fairs. look now the right time to be an artist I think a lot of this has to do with social media and in using social media. You can control your own methods. You can control what your putting out there and the there's talent so much creativity at again it every human being expressing their own version of their life, that creates this unbelievable web of creativity that we're living in that marks. And Know I'm not as Smith and I. I'm not a negative person. I'M NOT GONNA. Sit around and talk about the fact that you know. Oh, no, they're not letting women, and no I'M GONNA. Work really hard and and You know I'm building the pyramid right now. I WANNA have a huge foundation I wanNA have a space where I can showcase female artist and. And you know artists from diverse backgrounds artists from underrepresented communities? I WanNa have a proper rack and do that and the harder at work in the more money I make more power and control I have over that so I'm on my business and work hard and stop that paper up instead of sitting around and whining about it I'd do something about it. I think a lot of people in ordinary times, but especially at a time like this have a story or a narrative playing in their head I have to ex wires to get famous I have to do X. Y. or Z. to be successful and I can't win until X.. Y. Or Z. happens to me, but you seem to have a take a take. The bull by the horns approach if you could speak to. Run background in somewhere else. There go well if you could speak to your earlier self about taking action getting off your chair of perhaps pity, insecurity demoralization, putting your vervins action. What would you say to that young artist newer in her career? Listen here's the thing you you've got to start off by. You know success is so relative I can tell you right now, but success in my career I feel the same way right now and I sell a painting to somebody that I have to refer to as her. See as I did, when housewife, with by one of my paintings for fifty dollars twenty three years ago when I got that fifty dollars, I can't tell you how good that felt, and that felt like success, because I earned it on my own. You got to enjoy the moment that you're in. You cannot always be looking forward to something else. If you set a goal to be able to have a career where you can pay your rent, buy groceries and buy art supplies. Let me tell you you are successful. That is the beginning of your success. You must find out how to be your most prolific. You must find out who your audience is. You must have that strong inner voice of I believe in me. Everything's GonNa. Be Okay, I. I sent an email to that. Nobody email me back, but that's all right. I emailed them I mean three call today. You know if your mission is to get into galleries. Look at them as a business relationship. They work for you if they believe you ask them to purchase art. At fifty percents that you're going to keep track of your inventory. Business person and respect yourself and be kind to yourself. You're the only person you'll spend every day of your life with. Your success will begin with like healthy inner monologue so that you can deal with the rejection. The world is going to serve you. You are going to get rejected. They are gonNA. Tell you cannot do it. Yeah must say I will succeed. I can do this. Start off with a goal like I. WanNa make two hundred dollars this week. I WANNA. Make two hundred dollars. How can I get creative with my marketing? How can I find out who my audience is? You know start with that with that. It's a little. No one's to gratification instant gratification gets you drunk, high or pregnant period. Putting percentages of your sales back into the culture, namely around the current pandemic recession and those relief efforts include the art can at New Orleans Children's Hospital, New Orleans women and children's Center Project Lazarus and other things has your financial plan for the year had to change a lot to make those things happen. No no, because I was simply making the nations based off. How much my collectors! We're supporting me and the hope that I would be able to do that. I mean being able to Take care of my team. Make sure that everybody was able to pay their bills, and and I keep everybody exactly where they were before this pandemic I had to restructure my marketing, a little bit and putting some smaller pieces out. I, I, just kind of automatically assumed that because of the nervousness within the economy, people would would be more likely to be drawn to things or the lower price point at this time and I was already doing spring smalls really. So, you know. I was blown away by the support that my collectors have giving me over the last two months and yeah I mean the right now we put over a hundred and fifty thousand dollars back into the community. To say these are pretty strange days. What's making happy or inspiring? You're making you laugh right now. I love Sunshine I. Love, I love seeing my collectors happy. I love my dog. I love binge-watching shows with my partner. I love cooking. I'd have some of my best friend. Who are in my team what I call it? we've been spending long weekends together and It's been really nice, but. I mean this has been a really stressful Very high anxiety period for me and I have to say. The last two and a half months have probably been the most challenging of my career emotionally in. Cages and they didn't make within my company and. Hiring chief executive officer and making goals for the growth that I WANNA have and realizing my strengths and weaknesses and You know I'm I'm excited to start some new corruption soon so You know that. You've been listening to the thriving artists podcast and education feature of the Clark Ealing's Fund for visual artists. If you've enjoyed this program, be sure to subscribe to new episodes and review your experience on itunes. spotify or wherever you tune in for more information on Ashley's work. visit her website. Ashley Longshore Dot Com, or look her up on Instagram for information on the Clark Healing Spun Visit Clark Healing Dot Org thank you for listening. Thanks again to Jerry's Arte Rama and thank. You ashleigh it's been really great having. Thank you so much for the opportunity. To!

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What the Paramedic Student Needs to Know about Gunshot Wounds and Crime Scene Management

Ten Minute Medic

09:54 min | 1 year ago

What the Paramedic Student Needs to Know about Gunshot Wounds and Crime Scene Management

"In order to fully understand the forces that go into the khazei shin of trauma will need to do a bit of studying physics now don't get too worried. We'll go very deep but understand the science behind the kinetics of trauma, which is defined as the division of physics. Studies emotion energy exchange between objects collide with each other will help us paramedics to have a better grasp on both seen as well as the unseen taller that occurs. Your book describes the nurse shows to par law is stated as a body in motion will tend to remain emotion unless something else acts upon it to slow it down the reverse is true as well. If a body is at rest, it'll tend to stay at rest and listeners outside force forces it to move this laws also knows Newton's first law. Think of it this way if a bullet is fired from gun, it'll continue to move in a straight line until it impacts something or gravity begins to overcome its movement at that time, it'll either stop or. Directions. Energy is the ability to work work in its simplest forms considered. The ability for movement says the law of energy conservation states that energy cannot be created or destroyed but only changed from one form to another. We consider that energy simply transferred from one object to another. This is seen in a situation of when auto impacts the tree the energy from the auto transferred into the tree, which is then transferred into the ground. Connecticut energy or the energy of an object. Any object for that matter in motion is dependent upon its white and speed while you don't need to use the formula L to the book to determine Connecticut energy. You must keep in mind that the speed of an object has an exponential effect on the amount of energy that is available. This speed is much more influential than that of its white, by way, of example, a slug at one time vocal traveling on the interstate the amount of Connecticut energy that is available with movement of that car while travelling at fifty five miles per hour is three million jewels. However, if the speed same vehicle increases only, fifty miles per hour, the amount of Connecticut energy increases to almost five million gills when they say speed kills. They really made it understanding the anatomy of the body coupled with a basic grasp, but Connecticut energy you can begin to develop a type of six cents that enables you to begin to predict with varying degrees of certainty potential. Areas of injury that you may not be able to detect until they get to the ER. An x rays are ultrasounds performed. This is called the index of suspicion will become much more accurate. The more experienced that you become projectile such as Nafir Bush strikes. The body. It's Connecticut energy is transferred from the projectile to the body. Keep in mind that it is the speed of the object that determines the amount of energy available to exchange too much greater deal than does. It's white. If a bullet enters the body, and remains there all the Connecticut energy will be transferred to the body if it passes through although damage may still be severe the amount of energy transferred will be less. Let's take a look of path of a bullet. And why it's important for you. As a pair may to keep in mind that all objects that penetrate, the body will cause damage this is regardless of whether it's a bullet or a knife, the stage comes about because of the stretching and crushing of tissue along projectiles path as a bullet enters the body, some of its Connecticut energy is exchanged by deforming. The entry point and the production of shock waves that preceded as a bullet enters the body of begins to cause an opening along its path that has called Cava Tieshan, the denser, the tissue that the bullet enters the greater the Cavs tation. For example, there will be a greater tendency for Cava tation to occur in the liver spleen than would be in the longer the bow. Although both of these areas could sustain severe injuries. Another aspect. Catheterization is the body's ability to snap back to its original shape and position permanent cavity. Nation is caused when the projectile literally destroys the tissue through which it is passing temporary cavitational happens as the tissues initially stretched and compressed and then regains its original shape. As a bullet enters the body at speed on the front end slowed. And then it's compressed by the weight of the bullet from behind this causes the bullet to expand or mushroom increasing the diameter of the bullet as well as its profile. Depend upon the bully used it may break off into pieces this results in greater injury. Because the toll surface area of the bullet in pieces is greater than if the bullet remains intact. The bullet passes through anything in its path. You may begin to tumble because of this motion the surface area of the bullet may be greater as it enters the body, even if it remains intact, if the bullet strikes body armor, the greater part of the Connecticut energy is absorbed. But the remaining force may cause blunt force trauma to the person hit. This can result in contusions to the heart and lungs handguns are considered medium velocity weapons that are most deadly a close range dependent upon the caliber and the top of munition used with it the damage that it causes maybe limited the degree of damage is usually determined by the organ systems that are directly impacted by the path of the bullet as well as the degree of cavitational used the rifle gunfire much. Heavier projectile with a greater amount of Connecticut. Energy rifles, often use military, great Amy nation and are designed not to expand once fire. Heard these injuries sustained from rival fire are often very severe, shotguns are considered low velocity weapons that are affected. Short range, shotguns, normally fire multiple pillage, but may also fire solid slugs. If Arte very close range, the Wadi used to propel the pellets may enter the body increasing the likelihood of damage as well as infection shock dens can cost severe and extensive organ and tissue damage that is like that caused by a raffle knives narrows considered low velocity projectiles in his such are able to cost Cava tation such as seen with higher velocity projectiles like bullets the damage is usually limited to direct contact with the blade or the aero gunshot wounds to the head or extremely severe because of the amount of tissue damage that is destroyed as well as extreme bleeding that affects the airway this can be made much worse because of the loss of the integrity of the face leading airway. Problems high-velocity woods caused by projectiles from raffles destroy parts of the skull as well as the brain gunshot wounds are disruptive to the pulmonary owes. Wills of ask your system if lungs are affected. Attention new thorax may result. This will result in air being displaced from the lungs and eventually compress the remaining lug and heart resulting in decreased oxygenation as well. As decreased cardiac output, if the vascular system is impacted the resulting hammers may cause rapid death. Do your patient study showed that the most penetrating injuries. So the abdominal areas are because of gunshot wounds because of the prevalence of blood filled organs like the splaine liver. These are always considered life threatening often surges required to explore and determine how serious wounds really are if a patient shelter very close range, you may be able to see evidence of blowback or gases. That result is the bullet leaves the. Barrel and makes an entrance wing the area around the entrance would be often raised as the bullet causes this expansion of tissues and enters the bought insurance usually limited to the size and profile of the project out usually being much smaller than an exit exit wounds formed by the physical damage of the bullet as well as the resulting cavitational caused by the pressure way that proceeds the projectile keep in mind that exit wounds may give an accurate representation of the amount of trauma internally. Also, keep in mind that the path traveled may not be a direct line from the entrance wing. If makes contact with bone the path will often travel and the bullet will tumble taking multiple different routes in your scene size up as you're making a hands on patient assessment multidex while you're searching the patient for any additional weapons that they may have hidden on them never feel that you can't ask for law enforcement to help you with this process. Quickly. Try to reestablish the van in your mind, as you assess the patient if possible get the length of the blade or the caliber and type of whip and used in the incident do your best to preserve the crime scene. If it won't interfere with patient care, do not cut through bullet or not Navajos and clothing. If you must move something making note of it near patient care report. But do not try to replace it back in its original position, beware of your steps into and out of the scene stepping in blood make the investigation much more difficult. Thanks again. For listening today's podcast, if you found this helpful my share, you share it with somebody. Thanks. Yep.

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Caught Offside: Is it too late now to say Sarri?

ESPN FC

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Caught Offside: Is it too late now to say Sarri?

"Hey, guys. It is Andrew and JJ here with caught offside. We're starting a little bit differently on today's podcast because unfortunately, the news that we're starting with is is terrible, quite frankly, Emiliano Sala and his plane have gone missing somewhere over the English channel and JJ right now, it just seems that the news is bleak. I think at best he Adly yet. There's been various reports that you know, the they haven't been able to they will resume the search for the plan. But at this level of time that has elapsed they're they're concerned that it is. It is not good news at all the time line of all this is just I mean, this is tragic under any circumstances. But just like to think of you know, probably how excited he was at this point in his life making a move. To the Premier League that could potentially, you know, who knows set him on his way, he Miliana Sala for those who aren't really aware of his history, his background. He's twenty eight years old. And I think he was looked upon by some analysts some fellow teammates, even as sort of a late bloomer yet terms of his football and career, but he had really, you know, started to kind of get more exposure from I think October to December in league he had scored eight goals during that window. And clearly he was on the radar of Kara are of Cardiff City who just laid out the most money that they've ever laid out for any signing fifty million pounds to bring in Sala. I'm we have the video of him walking around the Cardiff of stadium and his excitement. And of course, in in this day and age leaky have got hold of the were presuming watts app messages that he sent to his friends in areas and Tina is he was on the plane before the plane. Went missing and his excitement and talking about how tomorrow he would train with his new team on. And it's just terrible. Yeah. I it really is. He was reportedly one of just two on board the light aircraft. Now, I guess it's the plane is is thought to have disappeared off the radar somewhere around Gerns -i, and it's their police that appear to have taken charge of this search and rescue. They've said that they found no trace of the aircraft or those on board. That is. I mean, the story is changing rapidly were recording at around eight o'clock eastern time on Tuesday night. They tweeted this that if they did land on the water the chances of survival are at this stage, unfortunately, slim, which is just a really grim message for to have been sent out by the Guernsey police Yelm, eight hours ago, they said Guernsey police said a number floating objects have been seen in water. We have. I've been unable to confirm whether any are for missing aircraft. We have phoned. We have found nor signs of those on board this from the BBC, John they write John Fitzgerald chief officer of the Channel Islands air. Search said the probability of finding anyone alive from the missing aircraft was quote, reducing very rapidly. I think with the see temperatures and the sea conditions the chances of finding any beat anybody alive or reducing all the time. He said the temperatures are very very cold and just sapped the core. Temperature of anybody in the water very very quickly. It's man it's difficult to think about to even read. I'm sure the Cardiff City community is is morning this as of course, is the Argentinian community. And of course, the nonce community of the club that he played for a kind of a spontaneous vigil. Yeah. Broke out earlier today. And here's some of the south. Sounds from that. Here the fans of the club there they've gathered and they're chanting his name. It's funny because if you see the footage which had on if you go to their Twitter, you can see that video. It's so strange because you don't know what to do. You're waiting on news. You're pretty sure the news is going to be horrific and fans do what what comes natural to them, and they just chant his name. But there's a couple of fans who are they have tear streaming down their faces. They chanted Miano Saleh's nam, it's just incredibly tragic and an awful. And you know, you just think about his family right now. Yeah. One more note on this. Saw this written about a million Asala. This is from Eric a builder men's piece at the BBC. He said on the pitch is confrontational off it. He has led a quiet life. He loves the -tective novels and whenever go to an away game without taking a book he plays guitar too. But took that up quite late and usually prefers to leave it at home, a common morning site in nonce was solid. Seated to the table outside a cafe with his labrador Naja curled up at his feet destiny is cruel. Very sad. Twenty eight years old, obviously everybody is hoping and praying for the best. But like we just read for new to you from the Guernsey police and from the chief officer of the Channel Islands air. Search the outlook is not promising, but we will of course, continue to monitor this. And like, I said hope and pray for the best Emiliano Sala. Everyone is thinking of you. We'll be back right after this with more caught offside. Caught off side with Andrew gumming J J D Benny. Yes. Caught offside from the Upper West side of Manhattan, Andrew gumming, and j J Davani what's up, brother. How are you? I'm doing well doing well. We've got a big show coming up for you here today. We're going to get into yet. Another injury for Tottenham. It is really really starting to pile up for them. Now, it's almost become comical like it's almost become one of those situations for me when when I saw the tweet today from Spurs about the diagnosis. It was just like you kinda just laugh like at just how this is all unfolding now and just like the dark humor in it. So we will talk about some of that also JJ people seem to respond, positively to our in the club segment that we did. And that was for wolves don't say it like that. But typically like look like honest with one another the bulk of time on this podcast is typically spent talking about the big six and maybe Everton, by the way, you nixed. A in DeKalb about leads United in disparaging terms. For one of the biggest clubs in ever bring our off. Mike discussions about this podcast. Cousin people say, Dr people said don't air your dirty laundry in public, but some day dirty laundry makes the best body as what? Yeah. And Muccio salaries dirty laundry was also aired. I'm will be aired on this podcast. Yeah. We are going to catch up with Dan dormer. One of the hosts of the London is blue podcast. Because like we've always said we like having writers on the show. We like having reporters on the show numbers of the media. But you know, we are this. Of course is a podcast, and we support other podcasts the whole podcast community. So we like hearing from people who are kind of like us who don't necessarily purport to be journalists or analysts were kinda just fans that have a Mike and we're very fortunate for that. So we kind of like giving a voice to some other clubs podcasts. Now, the one thing I wanted to say that I didn't say before the wolves one. And I'll say this now, you know, we're having people on from these other podcasts that I can't tell you that I've gone back and listen to everything they said, it's not necessarily an endorsement of all of their views and all that. Yeah. No, no. Because you just never know what kind of things get talked about on some of these writings Pacific podcasts. We were washing our hands of this. We're just we are merely doing our segment on they do their thing. And we are not responsible for any type rent. I barely responsible for our own content. But having said that I I do believe that Dan dormer is a great voice on Chelsea and all things happening with that club. So we're going to talk with him in our in the clubs segment a little bit later on in the podcast because they find themselves as a club right now. In a really really weird spot a couple big things in the news that we want to talk about Tim Howard, an American legend in Evertonian legend has decided that this is going to be this upcoming year will be the final year of his career. So we'll have to talk about that. So yeah, lots and lots to get to we will have another podcast on Thursday of this week. Because obviously the the League Cup second legs are taking place Wednesday and Thursday. There's obviously no drama whatsoever to the Manchester City Burton Albion second leg, which is nine nil. But Tottenham Chelsea not the case lots of drama headed into the second leg so on Thursday after that match is gone final. And we know what the final will be of the League Cup. We'll have a special podcast out for you. But we start now with what we were talking about before. And that is taught them before we start can I? A cross you. Right. Their peers who already have can. I just say that. I got a weird. Well, not weird. It's not that weird. But I guess strange linked in request today. Oh on it was from Thomas 'grana, Mark. Who is the throwing coach at Liverpool football. I feel like that's a name that we've talked about before. Yeah. When when did that come up, I think it was when to be in sports analysts decided to deride the appointment. I'll tell you what I'm taking. I'm no officially a throw in coach. I'm sorry. Sorta in coach, right? Here's a boat. You. You watch it you put the Borlaug the both times you take it behind your head. Like you throw in keeping both on the. Okay. So I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm no I'm officially a through and coach and I'm also going to some clubs litter. This months to kick off. I think that's important. Yeah. Thomas. Welcome to my hyenas. Yeah. Unbelievable. And that was my red card. They hadn't done the stats on the possession. They hadn't done the statue on the by the way, the amount of throw ins versus the amount of kickoffs. They never did that ratio. But whatever I like beat England in the euros because of their like their stolis at stoke under polis survivor ever. I Thomas Grahn America. Welcome. You're linked in. I'm sure is is an amazing follow. It's probably a thrill a minute move on to move. Like, what are you doing on Lincoln? How much fun is that to me and Thomas talked about throwing techniques? Okay. Well, that is doesn't like fun. JJ weakened in EPL. We wanna talk a little bit about Spurs stealing three points at the death from Fulham. Thanks to a really the last touch, basically, Harry winks heading it in on a beautiful what to ball. Yeah. From George Kevin in koo-do, not not. He stepping up. You know, what they say about injure teams in the NFL next, man. Oh, yeah. Well, honestly. Yep. And and for Harry wings to be the guy on the end of it. We'll tell you. He's having a nice little time in the center that Spurs midfield end is attracting quite a lot of attention. It was it was a stunning finish. It really was to a game. Where I mean, it was a hammer blow for Fulham just to look for one second that you've got to renew. Gary was just devastated how he ghosted in. Nobody saw him on between two defenders and nodded at home now on the NBC broadcast. They were saying that the keepers gotta come for that. I think so it was a little bit unfair. That can't the ball. Just be perfect of keepers. Don't want to do that anymore because of the movement on the ball these days because players can whip that ball so quickly. But. Yeah. Back in the day. Andrew the goalkeeper will come out and punch in take everybody. And he never did. Yeah. I guess I don't know. Sometimes I feel like we just we search a little too hard sometimes to find someone. Perfect ball. But really what the keepers? Look how close to the goal. The keep that's supposed to be his area that he dominates, and he doesn't do anything. Look. It's interesting to see who will step up in these moments for Spurs because they need people to do it winks. Did I thought Danny rose was fantastic for them in this game? I'll tell you didn't I thought Fernando your aunt had just a nightmare of time. He has the snow the own goal, and you could just see like, what couldn't recover from whatever. Both the own gold ahead or from about six yards that he he's got to a top player at a team. Like Spurs has got the nod that home whether you're a bench player. Are stacking pair on it hits his shoulder hits his head. I his face onto his shoulder. But then what about the one in the eighty six minute that could have won it yet? No, he it's over for him there. He cannot. But it can't be it can't be. No, it can't be able to. It's over for Vincent looks like it looks all my God. I honestly forgot. He was still a member of the team. It's an easy thing to do right now. One thing for Fulham before we do talk about the injury crisis at Spurs right now. Well, I think metro which is a good player for Fulham. But man like is it too. Harsh of me to say that I lost a little bit of respect for him with how things played out late in this game. And I'll explain why. So you're them and you are now entering a stretch of the season. Where literally every point matters. It's going to be that close for them to survive relegation. So you you've battled with Davidson Sanchez throughout and it was you know, I thought it was a fun battle to watch as a fan. Like, it was physical both ways. Both guys were getting their shots. And it seemed all all good. Yeah. And then Mitch chooses a moment late in the game to just straight up. Tackle he grad Sanchez, kind of around the neck almost and just takes him to the ground. Okay. Fine. Like he's had enough yellow cards both ways. So be it. Let's all I don't know. Why to right now? I don't know why Sanchez got one. But whatever. Happens like double technicals in the NBA. So then like, you would think at that point the referee is on high alert like okay, there is something happening between these two. It's been going on all game. I just gave him yellow cards each. So what does Mitch do what maybe four or five minutes later? Sanchez clears the ball out of play kicks abounds and Mitch for no reason goes out of his way and shove Sanchez from behind. And then goes and runs to get the ball and Spurs players are kind of yellow to the ref. What is that Sanchez to his credit wasn't calling really for a red? He just kind of went on with it. But like nothing wound up happening. But I'm saying when I'm watching that as a fan, if I'm a Fulham fan, I'm thinking how selfish of a player are you that you are now allowing yourself to completely melt down because of this guy, and you're possibly going to get red card and thrown out of a game that it looks like we're headed Fulham if you're a full and fan, we're headed to a point here in a game against Spurs where we probably never thought we had any business getting a point we could do this now. But this guy is just like he's so wrapped up in a personal battle. Devon Sanchez this unnecessary push minutes after he was yellow-carded. And a referee is on high alert watching. In that matchup. What is he thinking? Yeah. Just drives me nuts when I see players do that. But I've noticed even in his time at Newcastle. He can call nice late had figure as a centre forward. And he does get into those bottles. Any does get frustrated. I don't think it's so much the bottle of Davinson Sanchez rather than the frustration of what was going on around him in a game that Fulham could've won that game. Probably should have won that game. Yeah. Maybe I mean, Ryan Babel was actually fantastic. I thought in the first half it was one of those things where when run area decided to take them off in the second. I was kind of like thank God. Yeah. I think the NBC commentators afterwards said that if you were to take some grains of hope out of this game for Fulham that the triumvirate of bobble Mitch aversion Shirlow might be something to take from it. But I'll tell you. It's it's it's getting late fast for them. Yeah. So for Spurs deli scores the goal to tie it early in the first half and then a little bit early in the second half. And then a little bit later in half number two as he's going for a ball kind of along the sidelines sort of falls. Into the end boards, and he stayed down. And I thought oh, maybe he at the end boarding rally and grabs his legs. Then you see on the replay immediately. He grabs the back of his leg hamstring. And you just think like are you serious right now another hugely important player at this specific position is going to go down for Tottenham. And it turns out that it's about as bad as as it could have been out until early March. Yes, what they're look significant. The fact that he if you watch the way he goes over in the way, his leg, not buckles, but goes underneath him that the it was a pretty significant hamstring tear. Well, they refer to it as a strain while I don't know the difference between Attaran Australia, actually, I shouldn't say tear tears, which is more serious than if is a strain. It's probably a high hamstring strength. Point being he's out for some significant time and the concern is I was joking about Troy pirate last week seventeen year old Troy power. Is he going to is gonna angel be Noah permanent member of the squad? The answer is. Yes. Most like, well, we'll see. Well, hang on. Dave. They've got to go into the market then with the few days that are left. Yeah. You try and do some kind of loan business. If they don't have the money, I'm reading today. And look, you know, anybody who's listening to this podcast knows we really really don't care for getting into transfer rumor because everyone else does them and because I'd say ninety eight percent of them are largely nonsense. Never come to any sort of addition. But I think in this case with Spurs you have to take everything seriously. I mean, we'd seen Callum Wilson's name length today. I'm reading Marco or not if this move to China doesn't end up happening as hers Canadian west time, no way of west time are selling in January two spars on the only actually I say, there's no way the only way. What happens is if it's the mega money dot the Chinese were talking about because oh, it won't be so ready. Golden Sullivan are all about taking the money and cashing it. And they want number never offering China money to West Ham for Markel system is not happening. Okay. So there you go Spurs right now are without the following attack minded players deli. Cain son who almost came back there round the Asian Cup South Korea's round of sixteen match went to extra time where South Korea ended up winning two one soco who for the sake of this argument, I'll consider somewhat of an attack minded player. Lucas Mora was out this past weekend. But they're saying now he should be back this week possibly for the Thursday match against Chelsea in the League Cup. So what do you do like this is now the dilemma for Spurs is they can essentially be held hostage by whomever. They're negotiating with because of the depth of of this problem at this specific position like, you know, the way Tottenham conduct business. I don't see them throwing good money after. Bad here. Like, I I don't think that they're just going to overreact to a temporary problem and bring in a play. Okay. Fine, bringing our knowledge of it. And then what happens when everyone's healthy again. He's not a first team player. Not in my opinion, not for that team. So now, you've got a malcontent sitting on your bench like is that what you wanna do because you were so desperate to pick up points during a four week window. That's why you've I don't know why you would worry about what Spurs are actually going to do if indeed the doing. I don't think they're going. Honestly, I'm not even saying this is a joke like self deprecating fan. I don't think they're going to do anything a truly feel that way. This is going to be one of Paci greatest tests in terms of his coaching. Because now he has just got to deal with what he's got. And he's got to keep them a coherent challenging top four team despite these catastrophic injury. And by the way, I do want to say one thing in Tottenham on I guess more specifically Daniel Levi's defense for people who are looking at their current situation and saying, well, this is what happens when you go entire summer without buying a single player. No, no, no, no, no. This is not like a Daniel Levy problem. This is a circumstance problem like Tottenham right now. Yeah. Hang on. No. Well, hear me out for a sec JJ, Spurs her without Cain, son. Lucas deli alley all attacking up front. If city were without a guero, Jay's Zeus Saana and sterling guess what? They'd be in trouble to correct. The what I would say is that you can't get back open is the Daniel Levy issue because they've just spent the guts of a billion on a stadium. But I'm I'm talking about their inactivity and the transfer window. I'm saying that like I don't look at their inactivity over the summer and say that this is a symptom of that. No like, this is a symptom of bad. Luck of a lot of players at one position getting her. It's akin to Liverpool lose in two of the of the from three or something like that. He's I gore key guys at one spot. I don't disagree with you. Here's the games at alley and Kane will both potentially miss second leg against Chelsea this Thursday in the League Cup Champions League. First leg verse Borussia Dortmund, an EP L match at Chelsea and EPL north London Darby against arsenal. The League Cup final should Tottenham get past Chelsea and possibly or maybe more likely probably the second. Leg against Russia dormant as well. There's other matches in there too that I didn't mention, but those are the key ones and those are some absolutely massive fixtures that they have in this window. It's going to be hard for them. There's no way around it. I think it's going to be interesting for the neutral watched birth. It really is. Yeah. Sending the names you're going to see out there, the formations that are going to be played the players that are going to be asked to blow to position it's going to be interesting. Yeah. Certainly well over the weekend we were treated to a couple of great four three thrillers. We'll start with LeicesteR who lost a wolves in really devastating fashion. And once again, I feel like we talk about this. At least once a year JJ were Claude pupils name appears on the hot list managerial hot-listing, I believe the bookmakers now have him as the odds on favourite to be the next manager sacked from his current job. What do you think about that? There's even when they're winning take for example, the game on New Year's day against Everton where they wouldn't will nil. And neither team looked grays. But LeicesteR definitely looked the more potent than you think that's a really good result. But even during that game Vardi is coming over to the sideline to ask you will wad of the taxing here. What are we what are we doing? What are we? There was a general sense that the players haven't been behind him even when results were going, well, and there's a certain sense that the Lester fines think less or compla- better football and still win on its again, this this this area, we find what claw PU her you think he's actually doing a good job. Just like, it's a danton. But it's not convincing players are. It's not convinced fans. And ultimately, he does pot most primarily managers do who've lost five games in eight. They get sucked. Yeah. I it's really that. Simple. It's he just there's something about him at LeicesteR. That's not a fit. Now, if I think if the players worn behind him, but yet the the funds were really really behind him the board of giving him this. This kind of what what do we usually call the dreaded vote of confidence. He's got he's I think he's going to have until barring something unforeseen like a really catastrophic drop off. I think he's got till the end of the season. I think a board level you look at what they're doing. You're like, okay, they're they're solidly where we'd expect them to be. But I don't know the players do not seem behind him. And that's that's always gonna properly. Let's look at what happened in this game. I mean, I know west Morgan did score. But like defensively he I'm sorry. He can't cut it anymore. No, he can't. So what is like what is Claude all supposed to do make him run faster to track back? We seem this season with born motto body was where he was sent off. I mean, I guess the manager's job to have addressed that in the summer. And you know, it's not like he didn't by sent a centreback. He brought in Johnny Evans who I thought again that game Goodison sticks out where he had a very good performance. I don't know. You don't want to say this about Lester where you're at right now with I don't think there's someone that's going to come in and make it better. They're nine th right now in the table. Yeah. Where like where would you have thought? Now, if you want to say, okay, fine, twenty seven and nine watt for 'em wandered and wolves are both ahead of LeicesteR right now. If you're Leicester City supported you can look at that and say come on we should be doing better than them. But like, it's it's it's a fireable offense to be ninth instead of seventh on I think that the board were right to keep him around for at least a little bit long. Don't forget the rule that senior players at LeicesteR of had before and the removal of managers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's an that could be an issue. Yeah. Meanwhile, Liverpool edge and Crystal Palace for three as well. Thanks to goals from their big three city, also one. So the GATT for Liverpool remains the same. I mean, let's let's take your temperature here. JJ what? How are you feeling in the heat of this title race? Let me just give you the heat of that game. I wasn't feeling. Well, I thought I thought they were poor they started they started. Okay. But Roy Hodgson out his tactics work. Oh, perfectly on on the break. Christa potus were excellent Zaha give million or just a really really tough day, which look Miller is a something midfieder being plugged in to replace your injure right back. So it was never a perfect fit the midfield. Kate who was poor. They still don't have that midfield. Three sorted out. Look they went for two. I think in the end they deserved to win. My temperature is I feel good. But there's some areas I'm worried about and it's again, it's it's it's injuries. Sent the second centre-half position. We won't Gomez back as quick as possible and Miller you worry about that. Again. I'm not sure about the way he configures that midfield. I'm I'm a little bit nervous. But I'm going to be all the way to the end of the season. You are and you should be by the way, this is a little bit off topic. But while you mentioned, James Milner. So he was sent off. Yes. And he was sent off by John moss. Right. Did you know? And I'm looking at the photo right now that twenty years ago. John moss was James Michener's phys Ed teacher in primary school, no way. I'm looking at the picture right now. And it's been kerm confirmed by the Premier League that the photo is genuine. I'm reading teachers often get credit for kick starting the careers of sporting stars. But James Milner might not be singing the praises of his ex Tudor. The Liverpool player was sent off against Crystal Palace by referee. John moss who was known as P E teacher at Westbrook lane. Primary school in Leeds. The midfielder thirty-three was dismissed late on after picking up a second yellow card for Fallon Wilfried Zaha. I did not see on his, but it's being confirmed. That's crazy. I'm looking for photo here. And I'm almost having a hard time picking out James Milner. Like, we always talk about boring, James Milner. He just kind of looks like a combination of every kid in this photo. It's hard to tell. That's not really shocking. Right. He's just like the wallpaper. Yeah. Isn't that? Jon moss. Oh, wow. Look at him twenty years ago. This is unbelievable. You forget how long mentors in the game Donncha. Yeah. Well, 'cause he started. So I mean, it feels like him and like you ever played the same as game. Like if I were to say a player's name. What are you doing over here? How am I supposed to continue on with the show? What are you doing? Sorry. My I was about today. It's always something. Sorry, if I were to say a player's name. Who's the next player that don't even think about it? When I say James Milner, who's next player you think of? Jermaine pennant for the answers Gareth barium. Sorry. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Actually, I don't know. Why just is no they came up. I won't say that came up together. But Gareth Barry was at least he was twenty. He came gap by he made his debut so early that he was twenty four for it seemed like a decade Canterbury's. You know? He's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jermaine Pennant's another one because I remember when he was transferred dire. Snow and then you thought oh Jemaine pennant must be in his mid thirties. Now on he was like twenty five just being around the game. Solon absolutely JJ. We mentioned a little bit at the start of the show. Chelsea it's time to talk about Chelsea. And we're going to do it Murchio. Sorry made some unbelievable comments about his club after their two nil defeat to arsenal. Here's some of what that sounded like. Today to speak it because they want to send a message to my place, and I want my message to be very clear. This defeat was due to mentality. Replayed again as the team which mentally was more determined than we were. Having. It seems to me that other group of players that are not particularly aggressive memento point of view of. They don't have that kind of ferocity and then mentality. I'm not something. We can think is downsizing the place all that characteristic. And it's something which is difficult to change because you have to try to influence the mentality. And it's something which could take quite a long time. Just ruby Justin Bieber there there from the Chelsea press officer what what is being said there is actually pretty shocking stuff from a manager. It's it's shocking. I never realized just be Baru. Such clunky lyrics to Sarria barely fits. I never knew his song was about a former Bank manager turned football manager. It's unbelie I mean, quite frankly, like, we talk all the time is that is it okay for managers to land bass their players publicly is that a tactic that doesn't work. I don't I'm not someone who will go. So far to say, it's a tactic the won't work. I do think if you have the right group of players, you can get them to respond to that sort of thing. But I don't think this is the right group of players like this is now a team with some exceptions that has kind of been through a couple of different managers Marino to Kante to sorry all legends in their own, right. And like it's the same thing for each one of them. So I think this is just like this is just what you got. Yeah. When you hear manager said, these pairs are difficult to motivate. That's your job as literally your job by what you is it like some of it. I people say that all the time. I I don't know, man. I really think that like it's it's incumbent on you. You as a professional to also motivate yourself, the manager can set you up, tactically. He can try to put you in the best position to win shirt. He can try like motivation is certainly part of their job. But to me, that's that's on each individual player to find it within himself to be a professional getting paid a ton of money fans are paying a ton of money to support you. I'm not sure agree with that. But but in in any event, that's almost ten gentle to the point about Chelsea what? Sorry, Santa both this team is I think you need to break the whole thing. 'cause I'm not sure I have the time or the patience to get these. I do what I wanna do. It is weird though. And when he says something like this it kind of impugns everyone. But like I have a hard time. First of all he thought he was like in love with Georgina isn't that his guy, and and it's weird for me to hear this being said about goal Kante. Who's now a World Cup champion. And was maybe the best player on that team. And on that Leicester City team cannot believe that in go Conti who you could literally put. I talked about milliner playing right back. You can play and go Kante anywhere in the field. And he'll do a job for you. Yeah. I he's talking about him. Georgina was Georgina was like basically brought in to play I rebuilt like he's in. If he is the most important cog in what's he's trying to do. These comments were were pretty jarring. And that's why we wanted to do this. Go. Crummy. That's right JJ. We're going in the club with Chelsea, Dan. Dormer? One of the hosts of the London is blue podcasts were excited to speak with him. Like like, we talked about before the top of the show. We like going to other podcasts other clubs and and doing a deep dive with a fan that knows the ins and outs. And we do that right now for a club that has been under a bit of a microscope lately that we've been talking about that as Chelsea. And it's Dan dormer from the London is blue podcast on caught offside right now. Dan, what's up, man? How are you doing doing great guys? You know, I I don't know necessarily for under a microscope as much as we're just a kind of lifetime level research project for someone. It's going to be someone's thesis somewhere in in some kind of period of time. Always something do always dissect Chelsea I look forward to reading that thesis someday. Now, we wanted to go a little deeper on Chelsea after we heard that quote from it's your Murchio sorry that we played before. When you hear? I'm sorry say that you agree with your manager. I think it's been proven over Marino. Two point zero and Tonio Kante and recess. Sorry that it can't all just be down to the manager, right and recess. Sorry. Does have to look at himself pretty hard in the mirror to understand where he has some opportunities. You know, he's been willing to change tactics in some. But not all the games. You know, the game we played against Manchester City was much different than the game. We lost against arsenal. Here just in the past weekend, and he was willing to flex a little bit tactically there. So there's maybe some opportunity for him to own some of that. But I think there is a long term issue of players continuing to control the locker room in having the year Roman Abramovich or marina who's kind of defacto runner of the club from day to day standpoint. And yeah, I it's there are I think players on this side that do have to also look in the mirror and understand what their level contribution is. And if they're gonna fight in the same way that you know, the Lampard the Essien the drug the Ballack, the Pedder check the John Terry's the world because that steel that might that desire to fight into the last breath is just something that really the side is not I think has no identity even close to that done account. Remember who it was on your last London is blue podcast who said the following in the wake of the arsenal defeat. It's too easy for Chelsea players to not try to coast because there isn't enough competition is that of you that you feel is widespread amongst blues funds. Yeah. I mean, when you look at the fact that the competition between players, you go look at Manchester City for examples, you know, great individual team to look at when you have you know, we look at sauna you can look at sterling you can look at Rio Mars they have multiple players in each position that you could say could be starting for another primarily excited. And so they have crafted are putting together, you know, my theory too starting eleven like anyone that's gonna compete across all four competitions in the permanently trampoline Champions League. Or this case. Russell Lisa's your Europe league the League Cup and the FA Cup needs as close to to starting lemons as possible, and we are nowhere near that capacity. When we have him and his art as the defacto Sandra forward with drew behind him William Pedro as the thirty plus wingers on both sides with counterparts and adore as than the deputy. And then Ruben Loftus cheek has been deployed in that. Functionality as well, we have Victor Moses Danny Drinkwater collecting, wonderful paychecks to provide Instagram likes to their fellow players. And I it really is just reeks of poor squad management and an overarching understanding of what the true identity of the type of football Chelsea wanna play and how they want the club to be run. And I think that's where we look at. You know, you are. So obviously, he's just let go of you know, they're kind of defacto your head of recruitment who could be sporting director for other clubs were missing that type of figure since Michael Manala left to chew provide some level of structure oversight to how the squad is going to be assemble the type of players that we're going to go out and buy, and there just doesn't seem to be a level of continuity from window to window and even from manager to manager willing to overhaul sides by three or four new players seldom others to make headway, and you know, a line for. For you know, a one to two year to three year window try to win many trophies as we can and blow it up and rebuild again. And that's not sustainable when other sides like Manchester City, like we're seeing now at Liverpool are putting together foundational building blocks yet we can't just blow it up and then rebuild every couple years. When other teams are now building what I was a are very long term projects for sustained success, dander, Mer from the London is blue podcast joining us here on caught offside, Dan, you mentioned hazard, and he look he's such a tremendous talent. We all know that. And he's been a part of so many great Chelsea moments over the years, but I saw a quote from him today. And I don't know. I mean, it caused me to pretty much stop what I was doing. This is what he said in my career. I have frustrated all my coaches and with sorry once again, I frustrate him. I frustrated Marino they think that I need to Mark more do more of this and more that and the next coach that I have a frustrate him as well. Like, I said he's so great as a player. But when you hear something like that. I mean, he. Doesn't explicitly come out and say that his coast coaches are questioning his work rate. But that's kind of what I read from that. I mean when you see that like, do you just want to shake him and be like dude wake up like your great player? Just do it. Their coaches are asking. Well, we we know that his defensive game has never been a hallmark even under Reno and a couple of times when he's had to go back and provide the, you know, maybe the goal saving challenge of someone his level of tactical grace in that scenario is quite questionable. So I I think when we look at the legend of and has Arte Chelsea it is going to be a little bit of, you know, where where does he want to rank from an all time perspective, and you know, obviously, the rumors tend to circulate around does he end up going around Madrid? And is it offer going to populate at some point here? And you know, my gut feeling is that with the way that he tends to score and in the bunches he tends to do it. If they're looking to replace someone like Rinaldo that he he's not the right target for Real Madrid. I think he's able and capable of doing great work at Chelsea still. I think as long as we acquit inappropriate center forward there and let him get. Back to what he does best which is floating in from the outside coming in as a winger, providing the the assist the run the take on because right now he's getting marked by three centrebacks at a time. And he really just doesn't have the ability to do the kind of that take on experience when he's getting an attack fouled out of games. And you know, I I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I probably would be as fed up. And it's frustrating as him. If I went through a season where you know, because he you know, there there are some players. I'm not gonna name names who go to ground extremely easily. And we see plenty of great gifts about how quickly they're diving abilities. Are you know, could get them in Olympic competition its name name name name. Don, Don, John done. What are you? You know, you're not you're not a we haven't subpoenaed you before congress name name. You know? I mean, I really enjoyed the gift with Sallah and like the deer hunter thing where they're doing the shooting tactic. And he falls to the ground. Yeah. Yeah. The the hurricane where he looked like he was Luigi jumping off the on. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Vardi is well can go to grown as we've seen in the last few weeks, quite a different way. He likes to go go gadget long leg into a defender. And and then fall over. Yeah. I mean, so I think that has artists frustrating because he is capable of brilliance. And oftentimes the the squad put around him to be successful. Is this a little below? I think it reminds me and I'm a patriots fan of group in the northeast. So I mean, you can hate me for that as well being a Chelsea fan and a patriots fan law success is wonderful. But in that capacity, you know, there have been times where Tom Brady hasn't been surrounded by the best. And he so somehow figures out a way to to win a game or win a match, and but they're also. Times where it is absolutely frustrating as as a fan to watch a mediocre amount of players being put around them to be successful. And I think that's where at least my feeling is friend. His art is that he is capable of delivering in a higher level. He doesn't always have the best ability of sustaining it because he's also tending to carry the majority of the results for the teams you take Eddin hazard out of this Chelsea side this season. We would be struggling we would still be in the top ten, but it would definitely be a struggle. Don, it's been a pretty awful season off the field for fines Chelsea funds tour would several high-profile racial incidents prompt in the chairman to release a seven hundred word statement vowing not to rest until we have a limited all forms of discrimination from our club are there times as a Chelsea fan or you just question your decision to commit to the club considering the element. It's still has in its fondest. I I would I would say no, I so I will say that. I went. To my first away matches at Chelsea fan. Just a few weeks ago. It was the match a Crystal Palace. And the, you know, why word which is, you know, derogatory form of slander against Jewish individuals was used at that match. And it's pretty sobering. When you come to think of the fact that, you know, we it's not something I've experienced at other sporting events, you know, within the the US, and it was a shocking to hear. And I think that's why you know ourselves on the podcast, and then a bunch of other Chelsea supporters groups like Chelsea in America, other Chelsea podcast Chelsea supporters trust, which is a group of, you know, family coalition banded together. For what we call Chelsea together, which is a group that is solely focused on the removal of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion age or disability discrimination. And you know, it's been great to see the club, actually. Tweeted out about it research. Sorry, talked about it in the press conference leading up to arsenal about how there's ninety nine percent of Chelsea fans are really great. And there's a absolutely ridiculously vocal one percent minority that enjoy saying and thinking that they can say anything if these games without any repercussions. And the repercussions are not just going to be for individuals who are going to, you know, go to jail in the UK for hate speech. But it's it affects the global entity of the club. And so if they wanna see better football, you know, they should just be a better person because of that. Because ultimately, you know, what sponsor is gonna wanna go near a club where there are supporters who are being questioned for you levels of racial or religious intolerance. That's completely unacceptable. It is absolutely abhorrent. And I think the the best thing that fans and supporters can do is continue to rise up and say that we're absolutely sick of it. It's disgusting to us. And if you hear it. It obviously it can be tough in the moment to confront it. But there are things like the kick it out the club. Obviously would solicit that information understand seat number and location. And you know, what I mean, it's not about narking other people. It's about what type of environment. Do you wanna create for others to enjoy this match? And it's not about saying don't sing, you know, certain songs don't have a little bit of a laugh. It's about saying that there are certain things that society has accepted that are not worthy of being fun of or laughing at and we just need to kind of Kerr tale that in, you know, by all means sing about how you know Harry flops, but don't don't sing about, you know, the the other connotations that have very negative piece to it. Unless one for me, obviously, a lot of the talk with Chelsea this year has been kind of the struggles upfront whether it be Murata or Jerudong or playing hazard in a false nine Gonzalo Ige, Wayne, obviously has been linked to Chelsea. Is there a belief that he's? Enough to change their current trajectory. I think any type of center forward that can come in and allow an his art to get back to doing what he was doing the first half of the season is going to be exceptional. And I think he struggled Milan to even so much. So as getting into an incident of tackling his manager of fortunately, which may have been unintentional, but was quite funny to witness. I think that if it is a six month loan with an option to buy there's not a better type of solution, especially as we look to move on from rata find out, obviously, we're gonna need to replace drew at some point here too. So there are a lot of talented young strikers out there team Warner is going to be out of contract soon. Look Joe Vic if you wanted to get kinda frisky get in there, and you know, pay Benfica and pay Frankfurt to get him out of his contract that would be another option. So I mean, the the club is gonna have to figure out what they wanna do for the short term, which I think is going to be Wayne and then. What's the long term solution? And if that's equally and becomes then a number two to a new, you know, I play striker. Maybe Mario Cardi who looks on settled at Inter Milan. It is going to be the area the squad to invest in heavily. And that's where the promotion of young talent like a Callum Hudson. Doi a Ruben Loftus cheek maybe a Reese James into a right back position. We'll give Chelsea the ability to not have to spend heavily on squad positions and to kind of allow some of the depth to Bill from within. And then can go splash the cash on the one or two marquee signings. That are gonna make a difference. Like we did with a this past window. We'll good stuff, man. The podcast is the London is blue podcasts for all all of our Chelsea listeners out there who've been looking for a podcast give it a shot down. Also writes for we ain't got no history is not done. That is correct. Yeah. To to great places to find Chelsea information. One is boop podcast, and we're gonna history. Thanks, good stuff. Man. Take care. Bye. Thanks the Dan door. Nice guy. Yeah. You talk. You did a deep dive there, you actually you did the work, and you and you were listening to London is blue pies into two episodes. Nice. She's toughest what this. Why because you despise the team. No. I mean, you're never going to as a Liverpool fan willfully look out Chelsea podcast to listen to. But those guys do a good job. And they're they're nice fellas. Yeah. All of our Chelsea supporters out there who listen to this podcast, we suggest you check out that one but keep listening to this. Well, there's room for many is. Oh, I forgotten. They will know us by the trail of dead. Oh, lots of news and notes actually to talk about before we get out to two different things. Need that in for we get out to different? Yeah. That's the thing. People. Do they do different things after they leave wherever they were Tim, how're JJ an American legend one of the great goalkeepers in the history of the country. Pre retirement announcement do you like that? Yeah. That's fine. Yeah. I got no problem with it. I thought he had retired when he went to Colorado. What does that it some kind of joke? That'd be bad. I'm sucking today. They were bad. I'm sorry for him. You only really got wound. Good seasonal to them. The first one was pretty decent. Remember the got to the playoffs. Yeah. But yeah. Last year they were bottom. I believe. But that's not even really what this is about. You are right to ask though. If if people what people think of like the before the year retirement question, look, maybe you could look at it and say that there's some ego involved when a guy does do. Other. But I do think I do think that like Tim Howard is probably aware of how fans feel about him. He's beloved by American soccer fan. So I do think that it is kind of like tipping the fans off a little bit to say, look, you know, if you do wanna see me play again, this is your last chance, and I do think there's a lot of American fans that appreciate look he's being a fantastic goalkeeper for for his country. Very very good club goalkeeper in England. And if he wants to give himself a bit of a sendoff, that's what's going to happen. He said the time for sentiment is laser in the tweets. Yeah. He's that work. I'm greatly looking forward to kicking off twenty nineteen seasons. It will be my last in all caps. The replenish of time for sentiment later for now. I'm going to enjoy every minute. And as I've always done compete hard and help lead the Rapids with the sole purpose of winning and he has done his fair share of winning one an FA Cup and League Cup with United won two. Gold cups with the US. He's the winningest goalkeeper in. US men's national team history starting goalkeeper in three World Cups. And of course, JJ holds the record for the most saves in a World Cup match when he had sixteen saves against Belgium, which you in David Preece love to mock. Which is we don't my frankly, it's hurtful, I don't understand the vitriol also three hundred ninety nine EPL appearances seventh most all-time by goalkeeper. No, you very careering than there's no question scored a goal to as we almost now prophetically played last week. Like for no reason, we knew if you feel like we felt it in our bones. I I'm kind of curious now. And because this announcement only really just came down. I haven't had a chance to dive into it. But I would be curious to kinda like in my mind and even statistically stack him up with FreeTel and Keller. I like those three they're in the same era. They've all had tremendous careers. They were all successful in Europe. Like, yeah. I do wonder who people would say is gold silver bronze in that telephone? Yeah. I think I think probably and they're the two recent ones to retired into announce their tyrant. I would say Friedel Howard Howard, however, free to compete in for number one in my view. I think so too. The fact that Howard was the American keeper at three World Cups. I think has got a tiebreaker value for me. Yeah. I know Friedel was other-worldly for US to think Fritos the best part of Fritos career, which often happens to keep your stayed calm later than Howard's a little bit later than Howard's. Yeah. Could those those days with Blackburn were were his best is? Yeah. Another American player JJ Josie outdoor is he entering his final season with Toronto FC. Now, I might not have thought that. But here's a quote from him from the max and her podcast reset. It's been a terrific time. But at the end of the day, it's a business. He goes on to say when I say, it's bittersweet it's because I've spent four years there. I kind of have roots put down there, my family enjoys it. It's bittersweet in the sense that you have to leave that and go to something new. But that's the business was that's that sounds fairly certain the next, quote, I plucked from the Maxon her podcast was I'm excited for what's to come. And I've given everything to Toronto FC, I think it was mission complete in terms of going there and winning which we set out to do. So I look forward to the next challenge. I'm not going to pose. There's no hard feelings dot seems like he wants out not just that there's going to be a parenting, but that he'd like to go somewhere else on Twitter. Eighty nine a wouldn't blame him if he was heading wear next. I don't know what are you implying return trip to Europe? I mean, if he's going to go he needs to go. No, I don't think that will be the case though. But somewhere else, I think he might wanna go somewhere else line about him mission complete. Yeah. I now. Yeah, they wanna title. He was due aurea seasonally. Yeah. But I do wonder coming off the season that Toronto are coming off of putting that quote in front of a fan right now. I don't know. Maybe maybe they would agree with that. It just felt like this season was just such a disappointment. I don't know if maybe Toronto FC fans expected a a little bit more prolonged. More of a prolonged stay at the top of the league, the whole and that when Alexi Lalas was talking about dynasties, and and the like, but he wasn't alone. No. There was a lot of people think people thought that they could go on and win a cop Champions League or they could go on and repeat in MLS. And for the way that it went. I don't know. Look, ultimately, he's right. It was mission complete Toronto FC were a disaster of club for years. And then this renaissance they got to a final they went on and one at the next year. They said a points record at the time. So yes, I don't mean to to like parse through his words and pluck out my own meaning he's right. He did what what they set out to do. But I don't know. I feel like Toronto. Could if he wanted to stay there long term, and they could keep the score together. Like, they could go on and continue being great club a lifestyle. Change is William maybe warm weather, something like that. Yeah. JJ? You know, we got we got one of these. Well, he really does screen that doesn't. This sounds like a London detective just broke a case this land, far, Jared, watts is focused more on the Lampard side of things, isn't it JJ? Frank. Assigned Ashley Cole while his body who was actually few years younger than Frank at thirty as for county. He will join the championship team. He's already met up with them. He said it will be the last. He did an interview early on. He said it'll be the last time. I will be calling him Frank. I will be calling him gaffer from now on. Yeah. I don't know what I saw it. It felt weird for a couple of reasons one. He's he's just at an age where I just like wouldn't have thought that this is that he'd be really on anyone's radar he willingly anymore. He will be the oldest player. Should he play which we expect? He will. He will be the oldest player to feature in the championship this season. It was it was particularly weird for me. Because do you remember what he was saying about MLS before he went there that it was off that it's just like this is a retirement community, but he came to any played at a high level. Even last year. I thought he was still very good for the galaxy. He took it. He took it seriously. And for whatever that was worth it left. Some kind of impression whether that beyond Lampert or somebody at Darby who thought you know, what he still good enough. Like, I can watch what he's doing an MLS. And I can I can see him doing a job here in the championship. I think he was really good going forward for the galaxy defensively. I don't think he he got any better because he doesn't have that recovery speed anymore. So it's going to be interesting. Plus, it's not like he when he announced he was finishing with the galaxy that he he took up a spot. Maybe he wanted some rest, but there was quite a few months before this happened. So you wonder how fit he is. Derby of had Andrea wisdom twenty-five Scott Malone play at left back. So it'd be interesting to see of coal can can kind of usurp them in an commanded starting place. Yeah. And then what other signing that was very interesting to me was seeing Barcelona signed Kevin prince, boating. Wow. Just from pseudo. Yeah. Out of nowhere did not see a common, but I didn't really see them signing our tour of a dial in that happened that just an odd odd kind of signing. Just like we said move. We didn't say last week. I don't think we've got a chance to comment on it. But Ryan Babel to full him seemed weird to me. Very. Yeah. I maybe there are status Titians who say this guy can come in. He still capable of a thirty one years of age of giving something to this Barcelona site, but it just seems like a Soden jump upwards, you know, a really rapid jump. It's like, look he's he's played at high level. No has I know, but it's still we don't look at Barcelona that way, maybe we have to start thinking of them as a different club. No since the the kind of messiah guys have been broken up. Maybe. And then I even saw today another like if we're talking about unusual signings. Did you see who Middlesbrough signed? Yes. John Lovie mckell again. A highly rated player, but a weird kind of trajectory, but again dot used I feel like that was more common thing years ago. Remember when Nicolas Anelka signed for Chelsea from Bolton. Right. Those kind of you know, you always thinking your mind, if you drop below a certain level club. You're not getting back to the tile Bolton we're still in the premier line. No. But it was a circuitous route to get there. Don't forget. I mean, we went from LeicesteR Manchester City like that stuff's no. But that was an upward trajectory that was the hive Leicester City, Manchester City, right nNcholas nasca was our snow rail Madrid. And then this kind of odyssey before he found his way to Chelsea in the music. That's all I'm saying, oh, I've got one more note from France from FC Nantou of who are obviously going through the terrible issues. We talked about earlier in the pod valeted Halley Hudson, which the manager. This was tweeted out his quote was tweeted out. From the non count about Matt Meazza? This was quite something. This translation, the black male. I was talking about yesterday was about not Meazza. He showed me that he had a sore back after exams. However, there was no problem. He just wanted to leave the club this morning might me as it was in England in Chelsea he didn't warn anyone these things bother me. But it has to be done with even if it disappointed me a lot so Meazza who was hardly played since October looking to force his way out before the club to to as we talked about dirty laundry in public. Yeah. I don't that's just not it doesn't reflect well on either the club are met me as good to be honest. No, maybe more so miata. Yeah. I don't know. That's unfortunate because things were like things were really going. Well for him. He was playing well in the VC, and he was you know, back in the US men's national team. We'd thought just a good move because he definitely start. Yeah. But he went away for those friendlies in October with the US any pretty much hasn't kicked a ball with nonsense. Yeah. Let's see before we get out. We do have a really quick what to watch for because the second leg. Of that takes place on Wednesday and Thursday Wednesday to forty five Burton Albion and Manchester City, I guess insert whatever corny joke here about a nine nil deficit, overcoming. No, everything at stake the drama of the Cup so on and so forth and then Thursday to forty five Chelsea and Spurs goes back to Stanford bridge with Tottenham holding that one nil aggregate lead, we think they'll have Lucas more back. That's not definite. God do they need it with Kane deli. We went through all that earlier should be very interesting. Chelsea maybe felt a little bit hard done to have lost that first leg. I still think that everything was legit. And that the call and the var- all work the way that it was supposed to, but it was very close if Murchio sorry, I guess we'll find out about this Chelsea team. Because now they're thrown right into the fire in a big match in the semi final against a rival. If saris words got through to them, then I would expect Chelsea to go out. And and. Beat Tottenham side that are a little bit wounded right now, if they did not Spurs go through it should be very interesting. I would say to anybody who's Chelsea fan to read gab Marcatti on Chelsea Kante and Georgina that whole positional thing on sorry on ESPN NFC. It's really good. Yeah. And then COPA. Del Rey quarterfinals first legs. A few of the marquee ones. Wednesday three thirty. This is a great quarterfinal matchup with the way things have been going this season severe and Barcelona although severe loss of the weekend to Real Madrid. That is still really tasty toy. Yeah. Thursday at one thirty Espanol and rail Matisse and that same day at three thirty rail Madrid and Girona we will be back on Thursday to recap the some of those matches and to look ahead to an FA Cup weekend. And do a rap battle because it's been demand. I wanted to talk to you about boy. Well, no, I'm not dodging it. But I do think that we need to reformat it. How do you mean? We'll because like a rat bad. Title is typically exactly that you. And I kind of like have some go back and forth. Some or some kind of topic that we'll battle over rather than just like, hey, I'm gonna wrap to you. Now about Alexi Lalas makes sense. So I think what I was thinking you can if you want to veto it. That's fine. I was thinking in the build up to the next caught offside Cup. We rap battle about that. All right. Okay. You prefer that. Because then I can we can actually take shots at one another. What am I going to say to you? What do you? What is it that your topic? Was that you picked. I was Brennan you pick Brendan Ron for me. And I was struggling to get tremendous car just like Lin Manuel Miranda rapping about Hamilton. You know, like, it's not really a battle with anyone. He's just like, well, I was going to say that the listeners could vote for whoever's was best. Well, they could still do that. But I think we need to have something that we can like trash talk each other over. All right. Okay. Okay. With that. Yeah. That's fine. Wow. Just going to be a real good go straight at your sensitivities. The fact that you, you know in therapy, all those I'm not, but I have no problem with people that are no, neither do I. But I'll just I will pick away at your insecurities. Well, there are many to choose from. Well, hey, this I enjoyed this. Our thanks to Dan dormer from the London. His blue podcast as we went in the. Club with him. We will be back on Thursday. Hey, so you I say take a letter from box, ticker listening to cod off side soccer podcast.

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The Soulful Art of Persuasion with Jason Harris

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The Soulful Art of Persuasion with Jason Harris

"This is episode number eight four eight with Jason Harris. Welcome to the school of greatness. My name is Louis was house of former pro. Athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur in each week. We bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner your greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Uh Roosevelt once said people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. This episode is all about the soulful art of persuasion and how to persuade people to buy into you to buy into your beliefs your vision your your skill set anything you want to do to persuade people there are certain ways to do it that comes across authentically and in a way that makes people know how much you care about them. Not Tricks not some type of strategy that's trying to fool people over to persuade them but really had a show people how much care in order to move forward in the life of your dreams and Jason Harris is the CEO of the award winning creative agency mechanism organism and the CO founder of the creative alliance he works closely with brands through a blend of soul and science to create provocative campaigns that engage commences iconic brands like Peleton Ben and Jerry's Miller Coors Hbo and the United Nations. He's been named in the top top ten most influential social impact leaders as well as the four as list of one hundred people who make advertising great his methods are studied encases at Harvard Business School and his new book the Soulful Art of persuasion eleven habits that will make anyone a master influence or is out right now and in this episode we talk about why playing the long game is more important than trying to close the deal right now and he's got a simple philosophy on how to close deals the the value of leaning into your quirks and your imperfections and while you're imperfections will help you stand out from the rest the power of storytelling and how the mind processes this is stories versus facts why you should always choose collaboration over competition and how empathy is a key component of persuasion and so many other keys to persuading people into anything super excited about this one. Make sure to share with your friends. 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All those books and you're like what's missing yeah well. They're like it's almost like act a certain way. Don't be yourself. It's like fake. It's fake and it's like get them talking. Be Interested interested in the things the other person's interested yes versus leaning into who you are and your quirks stick. It's a stick. It's like this is the way you're successful is parenting other people bill and this this is obviously opposite that which is you gotTa know who you are leaning into your true self and that's how you're successful. You know it's your character and who who your lover so it's that and then the soulful part which will talk about which you'll relate to. I was watching your like big idea intro tro video about what your big deal and it is about the soulful piece that pillar is all about what are your skills like. Everyone has two or three reschedules that they're really good at and then what are the things that you care about your purpose and you try to like line those things up and that's what being Sofala's all about value. No it's like if you can line those two things up. You know basically you take like a sheet of paper. You write down your three skills and three things that you care about like your purpose us and you figure out how to put those together and that's how you can like give back into the world and that's like what I do with It's on US campaign go to the White House advertise. There's a cause their pencils of promise to bring in your summit back to where you were from. You know it's it's putting those skills to what you care about blogs books about that then being generous person being an empathetic person like understanding other people love school so these are all the habits and get get into like how to develop those habits. I love it. Yeah it's cool. We've got a Jason Harrison the house welcome to school greatest man. They pump that you're here. Thanks for having me. You just gave a brief brief overview which we'll just leave that in okay sunny. La We met back in two thousand ten eleven twelve when we where was the first meeting through brandon or was it through yeah through Brennan was trying to do something. I can't remember I don't even remember. Maybe was like getting you market something for something like that like you always asking people to. I do stuff. I can't remember I'm brandon somewhere yeah through Tim Ferriss one of his events or something camera moto. Maybe maybe yeah there you know he went instead of me. He went that's why I met him and we got connected and then I learned about your guys company. Yeah mechanism and you guys has do tell tell us what you do specifically at mechanism so where creative ad agency and so we work with brands to figure out what they're going to stand for in the world and then create the marketing materials and messaging ads social media do media planning buying basically put their message development put their message out into the world's fuel. You'll find the directors you'll scrip the commercials or the video assets whatever may be Yup and do everything from concept to idea to launching it to promotion marketing marketing. Every sector assembly line you know starts with the strategy. What is the brand. GonNa stand for as a brand like Peleton fit into the fitness world old. How are they different to the creative of. What's the concept what what's the? Ad GonNa look like then to making it like you said and push marketing marketing and tracking hit and then repeating it. Is that a five step process what does that yeah five or six so so a brand like Peleton. John is a public their numbers of what they're looking to probably not public but the multi billion dollar multi Multi Billion Dollar Valuation Yeah definitely and how where would they be without an agency like you guys helping them with all that marketing launch of their messaging to the commercials that I see on tv all that stuff well. I think you know we were certainly part of helping them craft the brand making the brand. Phil sophisticated making making the brand consistent over time but you know really they. They just had a a credible product and the the thing that is great about Peleton saying and come out with a bike or a treadmill or digital APP. It's all based around the community and the communities leaderboards the community through social super supportive and so focusing on that community they can just come out with multiple multiple products and that's really what they focused on community the community and what we do is make the brand we up the brand through production values storytelling and so we just sorta compliment would they would they built but I mean they just cracked cracked. The code rush that it's about community and it's about working out from your home. It's on demand workouts. I mean they just killed it. It's amazing. What's been the biggest challenge from a marketer marketer advertiser standpoint since you started the business? What's the brand that you had the hardest time working with coming up with this process for the hardest brand to do that for trying to think of a brand that I worked with in the past because I can't name my current clients Gotcha Cycle. Oh Cool Gotcha Maybe maybe one that was challenging. Then you figured out like Oh this was the hook and it ended up working out. Maybe it's a current brand to those like man. This is really challenging to figure out how we're going to launch this message in the world but then it was like a big success when you did well. I would say we work with Charles Schwab so we do Charles Schwab ads which is broker firms and they're hard trying to switch. It's all about switching from Com ca via firm and who's the lowest fees and the best quality yeah and so though the team and we've been working with them for a while but what really sorta catapulted a lot of their successes the team cracked the idea of coming up with instead talking about what Schwab is talk about the other guy and so they came up with this character Carl who is like sort of a lot of the opposite values of did this book. He's like not trustworthy. He's just trying to close a deal not in it. For the long term he's overcharging and this Guy Carl was character and then it was the push off of the opposite of Charles Schwab and so that sort of unlock which is a unique idea because usually think about putting the brand and I was talking about the other brand talking about the other brands but this was personifying sort of like what Apple Apple Mac did those ads the ads ads agency. Can you hear me now. Yeah Yeah exactly say farmers actually doing that right now. kind of worth like the state farm agent is there and then it's like or you've got your grandmother shirts age after trying to get a hold of and it's like hey belly. Yes that can be effective worked really well for them. That's cool man. What's been the most fun you've had working on a brand. Obviously they're all fun because you're we just did the launch of Madman Cannabis this company and I think just being able to be part of that story and tell that story of how cannabis used to be George which Washington grew on his farm and then president the yeah the president grew on his farm and then we went through this period that we're coming out of now where it it was. It wasn't accepted. You got thrown in jail for carrying a little bit of it. Meanwhile you can like get prescription drugs. Go nuts with those alcohol all these other things when when cannabis is a lot lot less proven to be a lot less of an issue in society and now we told that whole story and talked about it being the new normal where now it's becoming legalized in every state slowly over time but cannabis is here to stay and it helps. There's a lot of health and wellness benefits. I think just being able to tell that story in a really interesting way with that Diorama look I think that's been. We're really proud of that and that's cool. This new book that you have is called so-far of persuasion the eleven habits that would make anyone a master influence her and we were talking a little bit before about how you talking about the other traditional books on influence and persuasion like how to win friends and influence people but you said there those other books that would teach these kind of tactics tactics yeah what was wrong with those types of strategies or tactics verses kind of these eleven habits that you have here so you know books like how to sell all the old. Dale Carnegie Stuff from the Nineteen Twenty Nine Nineteen thirties which are still perennial sellers that was created in an age of selling and pitching there was much different than the age. We live in now. You know we live in an age of distrust where you don't know if it's you know there's fake news. There's phishing scams. It's hard to trust Google and facebook anymore. You know sure so who's taking your privacy or whatever you use taking your privacy and so we live in a different time and back then it was much more. Those lessons are much more about how to friend people by letting them talk act like you're interested in the things they're interested in getting nodding say their name twelve times. Everyone loves their name say their name twelve times. Give them a gift. Get them yeah. Ah Yeah get them to yeah. Exactly law reciprocity exactly get them to a yes really quickly and I talked a lot about in this book that I have a chapter called. I'll never be closing knows not. ABC that's right so it's the opposite NBC yet so it's the Glengarry Glen Ross the idea of you know get them. It's all transactional just get to sale the sale the sale and never be closing philosophies about playing the long game building relationships ships over time understanding that that's what creates value. That's where you're successful. That's where you win. You don't win by checking off deal deal deal. It's about long term relationships. The chips and playing the long game is is how everyone should be thinking thinking never be closing. It's not about the slow true. It's about the long long term value of relationships. That's like that's all I've done because at the beginning of my kind of journey which was ten eleven years ago. I didn't have anything to offer. I was broke. I had nothing to offer and I remember being like I could really get something from everyone right now. But why would they give me something when I have no value to give them so. I started saying okay. How can I be the champion of everyone's network. You just match them with someone. That could really be beneficial to them. If someone needed to hire a sales rep or marketing person or whatever it was I was just trying to find people for for other people's needs and just continued to add that value and that became the value that I could add people and over time they were like. How can I help you back like this. Has Been Amazing thing for me like you introduced me to this person. You helped me here and I was just like I don't need anything right now and I would always just come to delay the ask until I had a book or something really meaningful that I wanted to close on yeah but the more that I think we do what you say which delay the ask and don't try to close all the time. Just how how can you give and give and give. I think that's a good job with that too. Yeah so what you hit on is that idea of generosity which is sort of another idea either. Being one of the habits is like habitually giving something away at every every interactions whether it's a piece of advice vice. It's a connection doll. Those connections like give them away freely. It could be you know when you have something simple like a book or story story that you read that you like. Send it to someone you know you. Don't just post it for everyone to read you. You send it to someone on a one on one basis and just building things about just habitually obituary giving things away. It pays off with compound interest. You don't know how and you're not doing it so that one day you're going to sell a grip load of books. You're doing yeah because it becomes a habit and becomes part of your character and then you know you don't know how but you know that that's going to turn into a business success personal growth right and so that's another one of the sort of principles in the book. There's eleven habits to becoming a master thoughts right in persuading people. Is that what it is to. It's all about persuade you buy into your vision. Your Dream Your Products Company anything right. That's just you and to you and and the idea is that we're all persuasion persuasion sort of a loaded word you know but we're all persuading all day long. You're persuading called enrollment. We're they're enrolling people into our vision or into our requests. They're enrolling us out of it. That's right yeah and it's simple things like you're convincing your girlfriend where to go advocate. Jack are where we're GONNA go to for dinner where you're GonNa go for dinner so all day long. You're persuading your boss to give you a razor company to hire you or someone to publish a book like all day long. There's micro instances of persuasion and this is really about building a personal character and habits to allow enrollment all meant to be more natural veer and it's also about being yourself and finding a purpose 'cause that's what gravitates people towards here is really knowing yourself leaning into your quirks being able to be vulnerable. I remember when we did the we had the White House for for the it's on US campaign those crazy you stood up in front of the story. The whole place was just like in awe that you know a a macho dude could be vulnerable to that audience and it opens everyone else up and unless you are really comfortable new yourself knew where you're coming from. You wouldn't have the power to do that. You know which you were able to do that for for context people listening. I was was Joe Biden. was there something or I like it. We did a campaign with Joe. Biden called it's on us which was to end sexual assault on college campuses and we brought you and a bunch composers yeah people in the room hundred people at the White House Joe Binds talking yeah and and and someone said Hey we're going to ask you guys to like make requests on how you support this campaign and so different people stood up and I felt called in the moment to stand up and share story for a minute or two about being sexually abused he's myself and how I didn't think other people should suffer with this are go through this personally because the trauma crates and what I was going to stand up for so yeah you've got to be really confident in yourself. Know yourself like you said and be able to be vulnerable wrong able to not be perfect like we all we all have flaws. We all have issues news. We all have things we're trying to overcome and accomplish. Whatever wherever we came from whatever background leading into those gives you power you know not trying to push those has down and suppress them leaning into being vulnerable and things that you're going through power and we were talking about stuff beforehand which we won't go into here here because it's not public information but your ability to be vulnerable in the middle of things in your life right now is as powerful allows you to connect with me and chase who is just can can act as well so yeah exactly what it's about now you've got these seven habits and there's a four core principles principles and there's there's kind of sub principles around that right so the first one is original. What does that mean to be original so that's really about being an original. You know it's that Oscar Wilde old quote be yourself. Everyone else's taken at its. It's sort of a few habits around how to lean into your authentic self and you can find your truth and you know one of them is the persuasive power of storytelling and really understanding what drives you how to tell your story and so there's sort sort of some work workshops here about like how to do that and how to pull out your story how to tell better stories. Just tell better stories and really understanding what your story is and what you stand for you. It's just about being original. That's interesting. It's an art to learn how to tell stories. You can be very challenging for people I find it very challenge from me. Telling stories kind of your job is it is challenging for me. I'm good at telling other. People's stories good like coming up with stories. I'm on my own. I'm I can tell you their story. I guess still stories those someone told a one time facts. Tell stories sell and so if your guy or girl or person who's got a lot of facts when you're talking to someone it's not going to sell them. Persuade them as much as if you tell a story that's right. There's this go into in the book but there's psychologist Jonathan Height who said the mind is a story processor processor and it's really about that facts and arguments kind of go in one ear out the other like stats and numbers and data might be important but stories really matter when you know Martin Luther King is time about he has a dream. You know that one day his four children will be judged by the content of the character and not the color of their skin. He's telling stories telling a dream. He's not talking about socio economic numbers and this what this population has. This population doesn't have or the unfair balance. He's he's making a really big proclamation and he's telling a story a dream he had and that that's what we remember. That's the power of storytelling to always always think about it that way. You got the power storytelling storytelling you got you said never be closing. That's part of the regional because a lot of people always selling something right. They're trying to get the the sale as opposed is to giving an outing value system. It's just transaction a lot of chicken. Check check check and when you're transaction based things come and go and part of never be closing is also looking at when you philosophy of like when you hear no. It's just no for now. It's not over like we I mean even work. We'll have clients. We won't win the pitch you stay in that relationship. Maybe three five years later six comeback around six months later they they come back around once experience five you know five years. I mean Brennan just want a piece of business that we had pitched. I wanted yesterday though he pitched two years years ago really stayed in touch with with the client all of a sudden. Someone made a mistake and he was right there. They picked it up so that's part of that philosophies. He's got his it's switching your viewpoint and you say another habit is to turn and face the strange. What does that mean so turn and face. The strange is all about my my idol David Bowie and so I learned I learned about this concept of being original really from David Bowie and David Bowie obviously obviously he was a musician when he started he his label wanted him to do folksongs Bob Dylan and he was David Robert Jones and those like tanked. No one heard of him music was like somebody else it wasn't him and so he quit it left the label went to a Buddhist monastery studied mime of all things you know strange dude he started an experimental arts lab came back at reincarnated as David Bowie created these stories ziggy stardust thin white Duke different albums and and leaned into his he wasn't afraid to fly as freak flag was he man or woman was he homosexual heterosexual. You didn't really know but that was him. That was him was stirring things up and being himself and now he's you know B he became one of the best selling artists of all time by leaning into authenticity and what he stood for and so that's why being strange being strange whatever you're trying to face the strange whatever your works are lead into your quirks like don't. I'll try to be what someone else wanted to be with. The label asks do what's inside. He's well appropriate that stand out and become more who they are the ones that benefit the most in the future feature yeah if you're just trying to be like everyone else just trying to fit in yeah. You're not really making a mark on the world. You're not making a big impact. It's the ones that are willing to be strange and accept except that's the key. I love the show Glee for that reason. I don't know if you've ever watched for me was one of my favorite shows. It's all about like the Weirdo soclean concert dude. No way did glee. I'm jealous. Yeah I saw the glee constant even know there was a key mazing all the all the cash was there Yeah Kevin. How's perform my gums as awesome. That's amazing but those were all like the kind of the weird outcast. I guess of the school but they're the ones that like when they finally accepted who they were. That's when they shine exactly. You've gotta learn to accept who you are. Even if it goes against everyone else it should go against everyone else. That's right but that's when your shine the most I talk about being generous in another key principle and persuasion. This is kind of like the old law of reciprocity the prosecutor look when you give people feel inclined to want to give back yeah so why why do you say give yourself away the polar positively liberty and just a little respect so well. They all come from. They're all based on the same concept that you so some of these habits. Abbott you inherently have you you inherently had generosity is one of your habits and so you were connecting people when you didn't know where it would lead. Just who you're are other people can they don't have that they can learn that skill you know these these are all skills that you can practice and learn like anything else their their muscles. You gotta work out out and for me. Generous is all about not expecting anything in return and just giving away. Respect is another form of being generous generous and I cover a study in the in the book that Harvard Business School. They interviewed twenty thousand employees and the number. One thing that they said made for good leadership was respect. It wasn't it wasn't time off. It wasn't a razor your money or promotion the number one driver was respect and if you respect the people you interact with and work with me and that's where that's where the action is you get more out of that team. Yeah you'll if you respect them and see them as peers. That's what is going to level you up interesting. I heard these stories about about how Steve Jobs was disrespectful to a lot of his product developers that he'd length throw the phone back in their face or whatever you know talk bad about people but maybe that's just one one all times but maybe he also had a level of respect for them somehow some way some other way or maybe he was that one in a million that was such a freaky genius or we we had other other habits check followed him because you're like. I dude. He's amazing. He's a he's got. He's Got a vision putting it out there and he's getting persuasive and other ways. He was an original though he wasn't resin original for sure. He wasn't original okay so we got generous. One of the key habits gave yourself away the Polo positively acitivity. What does that mean so. The pull positively is is just simply There's a lot of different ways you can take persuasion and I cover cover that sort of covers. There's negative persuasion which are also really affects persuasion base persuasion like my old football coach in high school. Go or something that was just like screamed at you. If you drop the ball like he did that was affect. I mean in some ways it it may be work hard but Maimi constantly stressed and I don't think you want that out of the people around you. You don't want them to be feeling fearful and stressed by your level of persuasion. You don't do do this then. I'm going to scream at you more yeah yeah and so it just sort of studies like the impact of negative or positive persuasion wages and how positive persuasion wins out in the long run negative persuasion can certainly have its benefits and be effective. You sit in politics cruising raising that mean. That's all it is crazy. That's all it is just fear based attacks. Yeah there was a nineteen sixty four Lyndon Johnson added. I like campaign ads like that that was called daisy and it shows chose a girl in a field picking picking daisies than a nuclear bomb goes off and then the screen fades to black and it's basically like the world's ending like if I don't vote for this dude in all my God my you know my family's GonNa blow up in a nuclear war you crazy. That's negative persuasion effective it works it works because that's fair base us and this just argues that the opposite is more productive for society more sustainable more healthy cash politics. It seems like it's gotten a lot worse for people win based on those fear based tactics they do. I mean I feel like Obama one based on positively he did an image an ideal all of something greater that is why he right he he broke through because he wasn't going to get down to that level and I mean look how from there to to where we are right. The pendulum has swung so far. Maybe it's always outside named bully bully name-calling crazy here. I know it doesn't seem productive but that's just me so you got the original. He got the generous giving mentality. When we give of our time of our energy you are listening of our respect. It doesn't have to be constantly giving gifts that can be just our connection could be generous with our listening. That's right time nine advice. connections compliments that you think of but you don't say you know you're. You're like oh I should then you. Don't don't you know like give those messages out there like that. Positively off. That'll make you make you more persuasive and then empathetic wise empathetic such a she to persuasion and being influential severally that the basis of that is about the idea that we are all connected acted related you know human beings are where the universe's only storytellers we all share ninety nine point nine percent of the same aim. DNA but yet that being said the world is like super fractured and so that's really just trying to I understand your audience and there's sort of habits on how to do that and not my dad doesn't have the same belief so we don't we hate. We were like complete opposites you still have you still share so much. In common and it's understanding shared values we all at the end of the day want the same things and so safety laws safety love Connection Action Human Connection Yeah. That's those are sort of the drivers. And how do you understand how to look for those that don't shut people apple down a little bit more open and be empathetic and how are you pathetic. When someone is attacking you or making wrong or screaming at your just. It doesn't want to bring the common ground energy when it's just like screw you you're wrong mess this up. I hate you type of energy. I think thing it's your job and you know there's cases where you're just like. That's not worth my energy but there's there's ways to unpack doc what's behind that emotion and what's below it and why that person feels that way through empathy through empathy and try to see things from their perspective active why they feel that way and not talking to them the way like if they're talking to you you talk to him back because that's counterproductive. If it's something in business relationship or yeah a family relationship if it's a relationship you don't need you know that's fine right right. Ronnie that in your life but if it's if it's something that you need to work through it's how do you how do you understand and ask them key questions to see things from their perspective. Yeah empathy empathy collaborative imperative have yet. It's all about coming together and working together I used to be I used to be focused on competition my whole life yeah and it wasn't until a few years ago when I was like man and it's really hard being competitive with everything and why don't they just start being more collaborative with everything and when you think that like I mean it started to gradually change the last six seven years when I started to open up about sexual trauma and really kind of being vulnerable about the things I've went through my life and accepting myself who I was as opposed to try to put on these masks sort of really starting to shift after that because I was like man I'm always trying to compete with everyone to prove my worth worth to people or to the world or whatever to myself when I was glad onto prove myself anymore because now I accept myself so I can just collaborate more and every year I get more and more of this collaborative spirit where I think my default is. I want to destroy everyone like I wanNA crush. Everyone like programmed into you right. It's like I need to win. I WANNA crush but then I'm like okay that doesn't support me yeah and it doesn't support humanity having that mentality so why don't I always come from a place. How can I lift everyone else up. NB generous to everyone else and they're gonNa you know. I'm going to be up there with them. Wasn't that why you're successful yeah because of that mentality and that that shift did that happen when you were working on your book Yeah we did it happen happen like it happened before that the book sort of pull that it was about six years ago yeah. I wrote my first book. It started to happen right before that yeah started having maybe a year before that when things started to shift and it was more of like I was just trying to do things to prove to everyone that I was is like good enough or exactly that was like the best right now. It's just like what am I doing. This doesn't support anything being like. I told you so you feel. I gotcha internally yeah. I was like okay got what united why don't we all succeed yeah so I mean my platform platform in the last six and a half years has been plowed from sharing other people's stories yeah and putting them in front of my audience and I think that supports me by putting the spotlight on someone else. Yeah it always shines reflects back on you as opposed to saying hey everyone look at me all the time. Look at this idea this person this experience against right and then the reflection and when you think about competition. What are you trying to win anyway. He's like what is what is winning to be like the number one in person in the space of selling books whatever I mean I always want to grow yeah make a bigger impact but I've eating that came from sports athlete that mindset came from being the youngest of four can feel like I was never seen and eating here had dropped to my siblings. Roy is amazing. I was like how do I beat Tom or catch up to them or whatever then sports so. I think it's hard to shift out of that mindset. When that was my entire life was like being number one and being the the best and then eventually realized when my first business was building it was kind of the engine that got me to where I was building a multi million dollar business but remember. We're just like lots of relationships were suffering because I was very combative. It was like my way or the highway yeah and I think that's like a young entrepreneurial me. A mindset front approaches like I can do this. I can lead. You can't do it without without the team. He's it like you. GotTa do it together. Collectively that's when I started now I started shifts six years ago six and a half years ago and a lot of things involved and not only evolved in the external world but my internal world evolved loft and that was when I brought a lot of piece of my life so I have a story on empathy and understanding other side that I just can't. I can't believe this isn't a movie but I I ran across it. As I was working on the book but in in Nineteen Fourteen War World War One there was it's called the Christmas truce. Have you ever heard of it or Smith's truths truce truce yet. TR UC troops and on Christmas Day Hey there was the allied forces and the German forces and on Christmas one side started seeing like carols shut up and they all crawled out of their trenches and foxholes and they for the entire day they swapped pictures of their families shut up yeah and they made eight a soccer ball out of masking tape and they had like a soccer strewn away. We're then at the end of the you know that carried on into the evening the end of the day they went back into their foxholes and started killing each other again and it was war you know one of the bloodiest wars of all time that shows you like how similar people are at a a sort of pinnacle of like. I mean we're talking about war like I'm going to kill you and that the idea of coming together no one shot down their weapons and then they went back on they started killing bad so beautiful sad at the same time now the Christmas truce just create a piece from there yeah. I know we're all trying to like go back home yeah. Let's just call it. You know like he's out yeah so that it shows just how common ground that we can share you know even even more you know it's all collaboration and then the the fourth habit main main principle is hopeful and the importance of skill hunting and Personal Jesus. What does that mean. Let's go hunting. I think is something I talked about as one of the greatest things I've ever done for myself yet is mastering and lots of different skills so I have like his tool belt with all these different the skills that I can whip out yeah I can play guitar can salsa dance. I can build a business. I can speak on state all the things that I was afraid to do. Yeah I started reading lists when I was younger and I said Okay I need to be afraid of this hunting to master this yeah they became skills. Not Fears is that kind of what skill hunting is. It's pretty much what it what it is. I mean I think thank you you kind of embody this. It's you know you talk about how you were failing English bestselling books and I just that that switch but the idea behind skill hunting. Is You know there's sort of like life hacking which is like sh shortcuts like the fastest asas way to productivity and then there's which is not really skill hunting. It's not skill hunting. It's like shortcuts right hacked to do it a little bit its effective and then then there's the idea of sort of more and more and more like just work until you grind it out on your successful which like I mean if you don't have a good idea. more and more and more is going to not do anything yeah and so the skill hunting SORTA lies in the middle of those which is you be really really great at a few things and then every couple years add like a new tool to the tool belt as you would describe it. Keep trying to look at skills and don't get a little hobby is like not important. Look at it as like dive deep into learn a passion like learn something really really well and that's a skill you've developed and then move on from there but don't try to do like two things at once. One year gathered these skills and that over time what does hill mastering more skills do for your persuasive is waste of abilities. Well I think first of all you have to be really really good at like two three. You have to master some skills then you can go find signed other skills but you have to really really really master some skills. There's a study recently about the most trusted person in America and it's. Tom Hanks really and I mean. He's an amazing guy who doesn't like that but who knows what kind of guy is but he seems to be very a trusting well the reason why is like he's one of the best actors ever like he he's. He's crafted his skill so that you trust him. It's why celebrity celebrity endorsements work. You know why you sell products with celebrities because they're so skill day. You're like well if they're hock in this product. I trust that they're trustworthy for the people because they've mastered the skill interesting so mastering skill. I think is is really critical to success and not trying to jump into into a gazillion things but really master two or three things and then add layer on skills after that yeah so I mean you did that with of course sports so that you that's cool so skill hunting. Mastering skills will make you more persuasive because people trust based on your skills. That is your more credible that you're more credible and trustworthy because hard working that you're consistent. You're committed you'll be you've been able to learn something and be excellent at it. Br and not just proficient but excellent and then the personal. Jesus part is adding purpose. What is your give back. What are you doing in the world. That's not just for profit or for Ego knows a lot of ego. out there and so what is the purpose peace and and how do you look at your skills and match it up with giving back so for you you know pencils of promise is something that you're really passionate. Senate about and so it's really lining you know there's an exercise in there have like whether two or three things you really skilled at what what are two or three things you care about in the world and if you stare at those two lists long enough you'll come up with an idea of how to combine those. It's why you know from an bad guy. I'm a I'm a madman right like I said advertising. I'm super skilled at that is why we took those skills to fight sexual Salton. I didn't I created a group called the creative alliance ninety companies that do social good pro bono work those are taking the skills of advertising. You wouldn't think advertising advertising where we're trying to sell products and services for profit could do good but anyone can take whatever skills they have and figure out a way to apply them. I'm going to make the world a better place and that makes you a more persuasive person. That's interesting wellman yeah cool. It's exciting the soul for art of up persuasion not just the art of persuasion. The sulfur aren't the eleven habits that will make anyone a master influence her. What's something people can do today that? ATK can make them more influential right after this into this whether they get your book can dive into all the exercises and everything or not what something can do right now to make them more influential like the like the first easy thing easiest thing that's just something they can do and the next hour where they meet the next person they talked to what something they can do differently than they don't normally do. I think the idea of not looking switching the mindset of transactional thinking is a number one quickest way and thinking about it as long the long-term viewpoint that sort of the number one thing. I would say you could do right away and anyone can do that. That's what it's a really easy thing to do so. NBC never be closing closing yeah but eventually you gotta close. Let Your Business or to get the the partner you want. You've got to ask for something right yeah. Of course you can ask you can pull not push you know that sort of the the big difference yeah. You can pull them towards you not push. I like this. I like this so they get the book an Amazon Barnes and noble. You guys have a website for the website is so full are dot com. The silver DOT COM yeah. Do you have a personal website or is there more mechanism just mechanism dot com and making the selfless salon dot COM dot com one word. It's pretty good mechanism dot com but it's with a K. right. Yes that's the difference I like it. So the book is at the soulful Art Art Dot Com yeah Do you have any bonuses or anything yeah yeah. They can download the first chapter dodger. Check it out so I like commend. This has been years in the making for you three year. Journey lots of research lots of exercises practical powerful inspiring story storytelling based book makes you guys pick this up. I've got a couple of questions for you left. This is called the three truths question all right so imagine imagine at your last day on Earth yeah a hundred two hundred years from now right and you get to live as long as that's dope. You get to live as long as you want all right but but eventually you gotta call quits in the lights the lights shut off on this experience for you and you go somewhere else and you've created everything you. WanNa create in the world. You've achieved it. All you've done anything you. WanNa do done it before. Whatever reason you've gotta take all that work with you so no one has access to this book your advertising Russian Agency. It's all not wiped off on with you to another place okay but no one has access to it okay but you get to leave behind a piece of paper that you get to right down three things you know to be true about every experience in your life that you would leave behind for the rest of us like the three lessons that you'd WanNa leave behind hindes so three things you know to be true. This is all people would have to remember you by okay. What would you say your three truth so three truce to pass on to someone one of the lessons to the World Okay Kinda like Your Your Commandments. The my career goals okay all right three of them all right number one be kind like that that mental idea of viewing the world through that filter of kindness to other people's sort of foundational. I think it's a foundational final point of view second is be yourself. You got to know one could understand you. If you don't understand yourself so you got to fully be to yourself what's number three be kind be yourself and don't live live your life by what other other people think and so. If you're making change it should be changed that you WANNA make not how it's going to impact or how what people are going to say about your change. I think that's one of the biggest regrets of the dying. I think there's an five top regrets. It's like not living my life to please other the people but to do it for me so it's really hard to do really are especially when you have kids and you've got business and you've got people that three every action impacts other people but actually it's can be be yourself and be kind and then sometimes you have to want you know yourself. You GotTa do things for you. That's all you gotta do things for you. Also let's it sit the soulful art of persuasion technology for member Jason. Because you've always been kind and generous to me. I've known you for at Lisa. Seven eight years. You've never you've never been closing. You've always been giving you've always been authentic offering. You just offer me like hey when you're in New York. Come use the podcast and we have never asking for stuff and I really respect your creativity. Your ability to match those two things you talked what about like your skill sets and really helping people get their message out to impact their world in a better way right whether it's Peleton with their community community or madman or whatever may be really showing better stories. I think storytelling is a lost art. You've mastered. I respect your generosity your kindness and your real nece you are yourself at all times. Mesa about you final question but makes you guys get the soulful art of persuasion eleven habits that will make any anyone a master influence her he get right now. Make sure to check it out. Final question is what's what's your definition of greatness. Wow they say greatness as a process right so like you're always you're always trying to achieve that but I think you know something that I've learned which I know you've learned to. It's kind of that competitive thing where you're never happy. You're never happy like you're always like striving stressed S. Driving and I think greatness to me is comfort and where you are at all times that to me is like the definition of greatness being being wherever you are at any given time making that like the best thing that can be and that's really hard to learn yeah stepping where you're at right accepting where you're at to me is is that's what great people do. That's greatness and it's really hard in this modern era to do that because it's all about climbing and striving and moving and and and you know more and more and more but I think that that to me is like being present in accepting where you art all times is definitely my man Jason Harris. Thanks brother appreciate. You have my friend. 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#27 - The Collective Psychology + Astrology of 2020 and Covid-19 + How to Transform our Experience with Psychotherapist Isaac Archuleta, MA, LPC

Bridging Realities: An Accessible Astrology Podcast

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#27 - The Collective Psychology + Astrology of 2020 and Covid-19 + How to Transform our Experience with Psychotherapist Isaac Archuleta, MA, LPC

"It is Monday march. Twenty third twenty twenty. We have just moved through the Spring Vernal Equinox here in the Northern Hemisphere. A New Year has begun. New Life is on. Its Way we've also just had Saturn shifts out of capricorn and touchdown into the sign of Aquarius. Where he will be for just a little while before he heads back into capricorn in the summer. There's news happening all day every day. That is shocking. Scary WORRISOME CONFUSING EXCITING. Joyous and everything in between and this episode. I invite back onto the podcast colleague and Psychotherapist Isaac Arte of I am clinic dot com to share his insight and his wisdom about how to manage our emotional wellbeing are physical mental wellbeing spiritual wellbeing during this time. Obviously this time in history is triggering each and every single human on the earth and the different and unique way. I've seen some people completely freaking out. Scared worried feeling helpless. I've seen other people deep into conspiracy around what is really going on. I've seen some people quite apathetic not carrying too much. I've seen some people excited for the future and again everything in between but the beauty about this moment is that each of us is being brought to part of our self took part of our inner world to part of our human experience which requires us to use the tools that have been given to move through this period of time with grace. Of course all the work. I've been doing all these years has been trying to teach each and every one of you and myself the importance of grace the importance of grace to move us through the challenges that life will forever present us no matter where we are a few weeks or a few months or even a few years after this moment life will always bring us to our knees life will always have curious and wondering life will always make us feel helpless from time to time and strong other times. The tools I offer are just for that to give you the great knowing in the great grace that all is as it should be Isaac Archie. Leda in this episode from I am clinic. Dot Com is going to be talking about the emotional triggers. What's happening in the brain? How we can actually move through these moments so that we are not paralyzed in the state of fight flight or freeze but that we can eat revolutionize our experienced to allow for more connection deeper more authentic connection than we could of ever had before this moment in history is one of great significance for many many reasons but more than anything we all have this opportunity to really build connection and relationship to ourself to others into the heavens above to build a relationship that is better and brighter in bigger bigger than it has ever been and in this. Podcast is will teach us how to do that. This is a conversation that we had on the live instagram. If you're not following me there be sure to do so at the handle accessible underscore astrology and I've been trying to put lives out there for all of you to follow along with and learn about the astrology and other modalities. You can use to really work with this time so please follow their to follow along with any lives that offer and also if you do want to watch the live playback video of it that is available to community members. You can find that information and the description of this show. Thank you all so much for you. Mazing feedback amazing reviews. It has been an absolute honor to be able to serve you all during this time. I hope this episode is very helpful for you. A tool for you to use to move through these times with grace. I'm your host junior crock. This is accessible astrology. Please enjoy this episode. Please believe that there is an opportunity right now in consciousness opportunity. Spec -nificant future Ah Harry Bell. Hi I thank you for such a warm introduction. Yeah will your fabulous human with incredible skills surfers to humanity. And I'm so psyched that you're going to talk with me today on this life and what we'll do is we'll try to post this onto the actual podcasts because a lot of people may listeners. Don't use the INSTAGRAM. So we'll be able to get to to everybody from that perspective. So why don't you tell a few people from my audience who you are and what you do and what your specialty is and all of that good stuff absolutely? Yeah so we have an in person office here in Denver Colorado. I'm literally sitting in. I am clinic. We're located on ninth broken in Denver but we also do a lot of tele- therapy so we're meeting with people Through video skype zoom that kind of online therapy specifically I am clinic was created for the Lgbtq community and the religious family members But as we've kind of done some work we're getting people of any type of background nationality race organization you name it And we do a lot of as you mentioned. Md Our work which helps with depression anxiety any type of triggering And I love to do couples. Relational Arc. So yeah. That's your piece chicken. Yeah you're really good at couples work and you you're you're serious method or your ideology is beautiful and the information that you've imparted upon me and ultimately to my partner has been absolutely game changing as yet so you're brilliant with the The couple's therapy and like you said you you're so broad at this point with the clients that you work with. Yeah if anybody's listening and whoever winds up listening to the podcast I really encourage you to reach out CIZEK because I think it's not. I actually think it's not actually that easy to find. Great couple's therapist actually. I think it's actually fairly challenging. Someone who can see it from a systems perspective. Something like that like your system operating on this in your system is operating on this and being able to describe that so So the reason that we decided to do this live today is it was last minute. But I think I'm over here in the UK right now. There's a travel ban Technically I could go to the US. But I don't see why would do that right now. Because of what's going on in the world at this moment and so I'm having my experience here in the UK of world events and it's unique to my experience. And I asked you how is it going for you over there in Colorado in the USA? And you knew describing entirely different set of circumstances and so my feeling is when we're talking. I wanted to bring you on to talk about this anyway to the to all of my audience to talk about. How do we work with the trauma of all this collective trauma the collective piteously etcetera etcetera? But also something you mentioned that i WanNa talk about first is how the experience can be so varied and different based on different places of the world right so the UK. Where I am right now is having a really different experience from what I can see than what it sounds like. You're having the experience in Colorado and you mentioned something before we started talking about that. So that's the first thing I want to start with is. We'll talk about the astrology of all. This of course was your take on that you know. Collective trauma collective grief or collective experience. Yeah so one of the interesting things is From a very neurological or biological perspective is that we will regulate our central nervous system will regulate based off of what we're seeing so they say misery loves company but so does anxiety so does trauma so does depression so does discomfort fear paranoia. You name it though. My central nervous system is calibrating. Based off of what? I'm seeing other people express and kind of the thing that I've been really concerned about for all of us. Is that what we carry emotionally as actually additive? So our body has the sponge. I like to think of it as a sponge. Anyways the LIMBIC system. It's our fascists author our body but this sponge will just hold Nb talk about it as though it's additive so like a snowball rolling down the hill. This thing is just going to get bigger and bigger and what I'm talking about here. Is the emotions around. Fear the emotions around powerlessness anxiety. Depression of aloneness astray shen fear. All of that emotion is literally going to ask different bodies so for all of us in this collective process if we're not careful if we're not watching what's happening on the central nervous system. We're just feeding the snowball with all of this fear. Worry doubt Just kind of expanding in our own bodies and then we're all regulating and kind of calibrating off of each other so we're just allowing all of this really negative energy to literally stockpile in our bodies know here in Colorado literally right now. We're in a snowstorm So Snow's falling so we're not out but we you know we can't be out. I learn because all of our restaurants are closed. Gymnasiums are closed down There's a lot of non movement and so the aloneness can just be so powerful. I'M S. I'm meeting with people through video for their sessions today. I'm just hearing so much fear anxiety. I'm seeing symptoms that I haven't seen in a long time because we're all being triggered now. This isn't just a Colorado thing. I think this is a global thing. Because we're all experiencing the same kind of frenetic and entry right and that would explain then ultimately why my experience in the UK is nice? Exactly like yours is in. Colorado right now because people's response is different and nervous system responses different and the media is different which is important to also other energy totally. And so. If we're having those visuals stimulus come in. That are triggering something and we keep. We might even keep feeding on it as well. 'cause neurologically wired to feed fear or theatre. Whatever that might be it goes it goes whereas so it's like an individual experience within the collective experience too. So if I walked around here currently where I am and people seem pretty nonchalant which is definitely experience. I'm having having here because there's food off shelves and things like that here as well But the calibration of nervous system is different here because of where we are located right now and what. We're being What we're seeing how we're responding to each other how we're connecting with each other and then also historical genetic experiences one of the things about being here as England has been through. I mean both castles everywhere that are half bombed gene on a need from World War. Two or one or even prior to that. There's lists from the Roman Empire. There's there's such a history of trauma collective trauma that lives in the physical body of this nation America's new and it's It's so multifaceted. There's so many people from so many different places that the trauma response could be quite enlarged. Engrossed yeah you know I think that one of the things. That's so profound is that I love what you're saying here because there is a genetic memory for those people who live who have lived through chaos and trauma like this before wars and you know the fever. The Spanish flu whatever it might be and so I think people do have a somatic memory of how to live through some of this but also what we see in Europe in any kind of Latin countries in what collectivistic culture so Italy Spain France. They're all going to be minded about the ton of Asian countries if not all of them are collectivistic minded to say it's all about the harmony of the collective and they're more willing to work as a team whereas here in America culturally were individualistic says every man for himself and so the the psyche of North American is going to say I'm alone. It's all about how I can protect myself. Because we're not here to think as a collective that says we are in this together. I'm hearing that narrative but culturally. We don't understand the actual pragmatic demonstration of that. You know I think that as a Hispanic person my family's very collectivistic attempts like this unlike we're gonNA be fine paper. I have fifty seven first cousins literally that I can cost out there. All generally like a five mile radius of me but that's not true for the common you know White North American. It's very much I'm by myself I think that any silver lining here. There's a lot of silver lining but this is one that can really be beneficial for North Americans to establish the site entity of neighbor of I would really encourage people to embrace that. Yeah that's a beautiful thing you know when we think about the astrology of right now. I want to kind of bring that in into this total conversation. Because part of what's happening is something that of course. I've talked about for a very long time when we look at the astrology of this moment in consciousness as an astrologer we've known that Thursday's system that has been built in the Western model which is very much. The system of of the American model is well because it's very western model right America. The America Clinical System the American economic system. The American everything is such a new ideology right and a lot of it is founded in philosophies that were established about twenty five hundred years ago. So what we've known as astrologists that were collectively coming to a sort of collapse of that ideology for a variety of reasons mostly to prepare us for the age of Aquarius Tell therapies these types of things lives on instagram and so on and so forth. I mean people who were uncomfortable there the Internet. They have to get comfortable with it now. Because this is what we're moving into for the next twenty. Five Hundred Years is the age of Aquarius so really bizarre transition. The other piece about it is America in particular is having a very unique experience in all of this Americans having what we call a Pluto return and this is some ad giving lectures about for a decade in Research. Very thoroughly for a very long time. And what that means is that Pluto is the planet who will some will say. He's not a planet but he's a dwarf planet now but he's not the plant that's the furthest out outer space these pretty far out in outer space and he was discovered actually between more or one in World War Two in. It's interesting that we discovered this planet and we call him. Pluto right the god of the underworld or otherwise on his Haiti's every religion has a philosophy. Your story has sort of hades character archetype and so when we think about what does that mean that. This planet was discovered during these huge transformational wars. Were just in World War Two alone. Eighty five million people died which is something I would like to discuss. Also how World War Two traumas getting re-triggered right now? Everyone but this time where there's so much. D- chaos and death in change and transformation. They name this planet Pluto. The God of the underworld Started to pay attention. We pay attention to these things and so we started to look at poodle back in time in history where he's been during the during any kind of world event during any kind of maybe future world event and what we've noticed as Pluto represents the unconscious nece the collective unconsciousness of a nation of an idea of personality. He's the deep deep deep roots. So when I look at somebody's Cluedo in their chart as individuals. I look at it and I can. I Shit you not this point. I can usually tell where someone's from on on the globe so I might have a client migrating Sicilian 'cause I can feel into their Pluto in the actual rude system from which they were born. So it's stuff that's working us that we don't even realize right like you come from a Hispanic culture. That has massive influences that you are unconscious of because you don't know what it's like to be me a a white. Polish Girl Ryan so so we take that Pluto in and we look at the deep rooted unconsciousness but then we can look at that Pluto in the tar of a nation when the nation was born. Where was the Pluto right and what will happen in this gets complicated but what will happen is Pluto goes around the sun every two hundred forty eight years k Whereas the earth goes around the sun at three hundred sixty five days for put two hundred forty years in win a pluto comes back to the point in the sky where he was when a nation was born like we'll never have applied overturn as individuals. But when he comes back to that point we noticed that nation goes through a sort of death lash rebirth. It's very few empires if you do if you look at the map. Very few empires remain empires for much longer than two hundred fifty years were remarkably cell. And I'm not saying this will happen to Americorps. That won't but I know that America astrologically logically is going through a okay kids. It's time to mature like your brand new nation and get off of your fucking highways is like it's time to mature because again over here in. England. They're kind of hardened right like flipping through fucking war. We've been through NYC Clegg's name it right like like Khan conquered. We've lost you know we've been through all these things and so America has this opportunity to crumble or to mature in. That's what you're saying is the majority of the nation is. There's a collective ness to ed absolutely in the words that I love one of my favorite authors has this quote in. It's very short that it's death before life and I think this idea that we have to let die so we can purge and clean out so we can open up to this new life. And I think we're going to do this economically but I as a therapist some really chained onto what this will do to us. Relational the you know that as as the system of people as as a nation community how we function as neighbors to this globe we really kind of need a mature and this will give us a major what we might call like a sacred crumbling so that we can open up to be not only neighbors to ourselves but neighbors to the world in a very very different way and we won't understand how to do this as a nation if we can't do it in our own homes. I right and I think we're GonNa notice that sacred Crumbling happening in our homes though that collectively we can create as a nation. So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the you know there's the macro and the micro rates so obviously the macro is that we're going through again as an astrologer. I've seen this coming for so long that more than anything. I'm just impressed. By whoever created this system the accuracy of which the chart said look back it's miraculously actually miraculously and so so the miracle astrology kind of in this place of recognizing pace of this is happening on a macro. But it's also then of course happening on the micro and I just asked me community actually today strongly. Not Because I've heard stories from all over the board. Some people are doing great right now. Some are in everything in the middle. And so I said. Where's this happening in your chart whereas this massive consciousness collapsed which is in the sign of capricorn wears cap accord in your chart when you having capricorn look like because at the micro level were each going through a gigantic transformation ourselves right and so when we are in this experience whether we're alone whether we're with fifty servers cousins whether with just one partner that the tension of that transformation will show up with just ourselves looking in the mirror in of course with our partners our children and so on so you know one of the managers use a personal example? If I can but one of the things I've noticed with my partner tonight is because he's not only British these also Egyptian right so they went through thousands of years of trauma and people coming conquering doing these things in so he has a very different disposition about all of this in a very different temperament about all of it and I was upset the other day I was like you don't understand you not letting VP upset right Right in so. That's that is very likely to happen. Like you're stressing me out your dress. You're not right in. How do we manage that? What's your what are your words of wisdom especially in partnership in relationship. Absolutely what you just described here is so freaking common. It's just it's normal because what we're what we're trained to do is talk about the data of our reality use. Said this you get into that. You didn't respect me that way or you stood me up at the restaurant for date night or whatever it is and we WANNA use data to throw at each other when really so if the data's appear kind of the primary later that we can see we always want to know that there's a secondary emotion underneath and were not trained to talk about this emotion. We're trained to talk about how it shows itself in our reality and so if we can talk about the primary emotion Literally controlled trajectory of our conversation in our communication. I think that almost ninety nine percent of people who couples who come come sing communicating in this is why because what we say is something like You're not carrying enough and you didn't wash your hands when you walked in the door. And don't you care where lobbing all of this data at each other but what we really could be talking about something that says? I'm telling myself that I've been working hard to keep myself. Cova free not only for myself but for you and I'm telling myself that you don't care and when I hear that voice in my head that says you don't care I get really angry at you and I don't know if there's truth to what I'm telling myself but I need the show. You my interpretation the story so that we can have some clarity here because I really wanted anything connected to right now and I don't want my interpretation of your behavior to to kind of be the thing that ruins our connection especially as we know each other relationships we will. We won't fabricate these truths about our partner because we know them so well and we will. We will literally hold our interpretation of our partner as though which true and it has nothing to do with reality. I think if we go ahead talk about county so let's say if so for example. Okay I'll I'll use myself as examples so the other day. Somebody decided to set forest fires around my house in Colorado in my parents house. Yeah six of them. They went into the forest and just went rogue right. Thank God the snow came right and so here. I am over in England. I can't do anything about it if my my dad is immune. He's got serious challenges with his immunity and they wanted to stuff them all in elementary Jim together right so so of course how could I not freak out right? So I'm and my partner's reaction to that is calmness right. He's staying incredibly calm. So I'm legitimately triggered at this point. What do you say to me in that moment when I'm like irrationally triggered in that moment where he's doing his best actually to serve me by staying calm and by? Not You know exaggerating. Because that's how he approaches things as very strong careers. What would you say when the person is triggered themselves? Solit- say in another situation on just lost their job and You know they don't have the money partner. Does the part you know. There's so many layers of what this can look like right now. Would you say to the person who's triggered right now in relationship? This is a beautiful question and like because I care about humanity. I can't describe how much love I feel for the world but late. This is me with utmost sincerity. We have something in our bodies called nervous system and is in charge of cool calm and collected or fight flight or freeze when we go into fight flight or freeze we have. This whole cascade of events are pupils. Dilate are hard increases because we get general into the circulatory system A ton of blood goes start biceps in quad so we can run away. Were trained to survive. But what happens in this moment? Is The PREFRONTAL CORTEX. Rational thinking happens and over. Here Bro. Conver- Nikki's area where rational language happens. They are totally suppressed. The body is literally point. All of the energy away from rational and rational language and cognitive functioning to throw to the physical body can fight run. Or it's totally overwhelmed. Just freeze so were the keyword that all of us want to think about if we're at home having anxiety for arguing with our partner for slumping down into depression if we're raging or just frenetic. Whatever we might be feeling right now. We have to know that we're fight flight or freeze mode which means rational thinking and rational language. I've suppressed so like everyone right now. Everybody really were all right intentionally. Coming at whatever level firefighter freeze. Because we're all powerless. And that is always the key word whenever you feel powerless. You'RE GONNA be in fight flight or freeze which means your cognition will be impaired. You cannot rationalize yourself through this so the thing to do in this is a this is a skill set that I really wish the whole world knew about if you have anxiety depression freaking now if you feel like your relationships applying apart if you have no money left whatever it might be. This is the skill set Described as quickly as they can. So what we WANNA do to give the power back to cool calm collected. So we're turning off firefighter freeze and we're turning on cool calm and collected when we can identified the emotion in our body. So let's say I'm having anxiety about my dad who's ill being stuffed in this gymnasium. All kinds of sick people. I WanNa find this emotion and my body might be head chest arms but we want to find the eye of the storm. Let's pretend this is a hurricane? And then I wanNA find how big this storm is semantically in my body I know. How far does this thing go? When I find this storm cloud of powerlessness residing in my body. I WANNA turn it into nothing but a physical sensation. So this isn't powerless anymore. It's not fear of my dad. We're turning all of that narrative off and we're literally just get experience. This as neurons firing in our chest olive down powerlessness for not even calling it parallels powerlessness or calling get Tension a tingling sensation. We're boiling this down to nothing but a physical experience. So we're giving power back to cool calm collected when we do this then the next step just like in the yoga exercise we WanNa take in some nice big deep breaths and vision that all of that. Fresh oxygen is going right to the horizon so that we can recalibrate our central nervous system so we wanted to breathe and the cool calm collected mechanism in the body will begin to take care of the storm until it's completely gone. You might have to breathe for two minutes sometimes. Twenty minutes depending on. How big the sensation is that. Once the sensation is gone. You want to open your eyes and this is really important. You want to open your eyes and look around the room. Because this is how your central nervous system recalibrate S- though for people with anxiety disorders. They're up in firefighter freeze too often. That the body will just stay there right and this exercise trains us how to get out of fight flight or freeze back into cool calm and collected over and over and over and over again until we retain train the body had just At that cool calm collected place one more thing we always say. Take a deep breath and we're like. Oh God how many people doesn't really work but when we're doing it with the tight The sent the fresh oxygen is literally re-oxygenation. The Neo cortex rational thinking national language the resilient centers in the Right Hemisphere language to baucus sued in the left so the special oxygen is really really important. Nice big deep breaths not only will this help retrain your central nervous system so we get out of firefighter freeze more often. But it's also whenever we run tight trae Shinwar keeping that bundle of emotion from adding to the snowball so as we sit here kind of in this cove experience. We can fill our snowball getting bigger. Anti-traditional help decrease so that we're not just collectively adding to our fee earner trauma right and so let let me just run through it just to clarify real quickly so we we so I go back to that moment with my family and I think. Vox full fight. He might be like freeze. That might be his calm response right. Perhaps maybe he's just like everything's GonNa be fine. And maybe that's his response to some. Or maybe legitimately just very calm with the docile very possible and so regardless. It's not about him at this moment is about. There's an incredible amount of stress. I go I closed my eyes. I feel into the physical part of my body where I'm feeling the stress picture. It almost a Z. I can I can tangibly understand it and I deeply deeply into that point of. Let's call it like a starburst. Him In my chances look into the horizon not distress point into the of the storm. The horizon so if I have LAK- anxiety point here my chest that feels like a starburst were without be around it around. It could go all the way down to the your arm all the way back to actual point. You're GONNA tap last all the way. Let's say those long later my fingertips inside breed starting at my fingertips and breathing in and breathing through my arm. All the way to the actual starburst melts away and sue. It'll it'll it'll melt away into relief. Neutrality Peace Joy. Your central nervous system will counter act. Because that's how it that's at stop rule comment collected will say like I. Gotcha I gotcha. Gotcha hold on coming on coming in you. Get this Nice Release. And then that's we want you to open your eyes. So the central nervous system can recalibrate in a sense. Saying I can feel this way in this reality. Our career training the central nervous system had live at cool calm and collected right and this might be one of those opportunities. Five things you know. There's still clients with what find things do you but for things do here three the you know the one thing you taste or one eighty dollars whatever kind of a thing sometimes just to be like okay smell. Something can taste something. I concede something I can hear. Some that can touch. Something might touch. So so. That's the beauty of the opportunity of this time. Astrologically is that if we can so. I did this toolbox thing that needed the fog. Because unlike everyone buckle up fucking crazy year and I gave people all these tools to be recognizing that you're out outer world is absolutely reflection of the inner world right and so like we said the beginning for taking all this information on this information. Our body our our physical Yard neurons our body. Our physical body our muscles. All these things start to believe it true but we actually can come into ourselves. Transform here and then it transforms the outside world. The Revolutionary Possibility in this at this moment in consciousness is fucking incredible and the reason I keep trying to pump information out to people right now myself. Is I get the news I get it? I get virus. I get all of the economy crashing but was stock market. This is not a hero and if we are able to take all that kind of put it aside not maybe that might not be the right way neurologically to say it but if we're able to work through the trauma of it the the fight flame freeze of it worked through an income to the place of calm and ration now as a collective consciousness miss moment in time the potential the human potential reality and this is Gillian. I am literally slumps. Yeah everywhere thinking about the possibility of that. Yeah we are in a sense sitting in what we might think of as like a critical period where we have an opportunity can open window to jump through. Spiral Dynamics integral theory can wilburs work Dr Cowan's work with say that these are the moments when we literally have the potential as a collective all of the quantum physicists of the world would say it's these moments where we literally have the option to shift collective consciousness to move evolution. And I agree with you. Were sitting at this really beautiful point and I think from the stars down to those particles in us that determine how we sit with our loved on right in front of us is the the arena. It is the battleground where we are waging this war can I show? Can IT TURN OFF my fear? Can I sit in my full sovereignty? And cannot create a relational change here that will replicate a south out so that we changed consciousness and I think if we can get our bodies center control we gotTA World Back in the control of the love that right and it's like I love what you're saying. You mentioned Ken Wilber Similarly Joe Dispense End At wise word passing me by the biology of belief Bruce Lipton genetics epigenetics. So this is the thing we have. These thought leaders on the planet right now for like. Hey y'all fucking tools you can change your whole physical body you can change your your financial world you can change your at your your health world. You can change your relational world all of these things. By starting here in calming the systems working through these traumas releasing than cutting off the neurological synoptic pathway. That says this is my reality. When that was trauma that happened thirty years ago. Right in this collective trauma we can make this neurological synoptic nerve stronger. o'clock fuck fuck as a collective consciousness or we don't break it break it break. This is opportunity. This is opportunity and the thing is the system that is literally. Collapsing is the system. That says you have to go outside of yourself to change the world right. This is the industrial revolution. This colonization this is this masculine. We call the patriarch. That's how people refer to it but it's quite literally we've had this very Gang masculine approach to the Western mind for such a long time. This divide and conquer. I go onto this piece of land and build a wall and I build this building in do these things outside of myself and I go to you know. Thought Dad leaves the at home farm. He goes off to the office. Delhi knee leaves home. Mom then gets tampons and pads and so she has the ability to leave home and she goes off to the office. And we've been living in this consciousness that drops out of the way from the emotional experience of the moment of now. So we're all living in this hyper trauma state and we have been but this is showing us that it is. It's there it's present in your if anyone is feeling this incredible strong anxiety right now. It wasn't Nowhere like this is living in US especially in America for ever right and so we have this opportunity right now where the north known is in cancer and the north note of all. These things are in cancer. The key to the salvation of humanity right now is cancer as an archetypal sign. Which is the mother which is the. I'm no hold view daughter in the space. I'm going to hold you husband in the space. I'm going to hold youself in myspace long enough to hold. You let you cry. Let it out so that you feel connected and safe right reports literally. What's happening astrologically right now. And I just yes and I think that that is literally what we're being called to do in our living rooms when we can't go anywhere it's just too. I love what is happening. Astrologically because to mirror that relational is to say look like right. Now you're a small business owner or you're a waiter who just lost their job or A. Ceo didn't save now. Your company is on the brink of closing and as this snowball comes up in you. How can we sit here in? Nurture the hell out of you. Yeah this fear can either become this roadblock to separate us your Your criticism your control your biting tongue your frustration all of that snowball energy can you can just lob at avenue right now or we can identify that primary emotion and we can talk about. What's hurting you and we can nurture this until it's gone. How can we tackle this team as a community and I definitely think that this? I don't know what the Universe is up to. But in my mind it is calling us to recognise where we can say. I need to pay attention to my body because if I'm going to help I need to start here. I heard a scientist to say recently. The threat of this virus would be so minimal. If there was better nutrition periods. The people were just eating better food. This would not be the threat that it is being portrayed as or whatever being told that it is is people actually have good nutrition. It would be just a very simple coal right and there's a lot more to say about that one of the things. I've noticed live. My partner is when we had any kind of tension in this kind of self quarantined well-meant were like let's make a meal together and it's just such a better meal and I'm like and we have to leave everything outside in the Anxious I'm not working. I'm not working you know. He's doing whatever he's doing that like note. The rule is we're we're no longer brain phones laptops in the kitchen and she's were not mixer technology anymore. We are going to make the meal together. You're going to do this part dishes. We'll get done. We're GONNA make wholesome nutritious meals and bond. They always been together a lot but we actually need to be with each other right now. Absolutely someone I was just watching some of the comments go and someone asks what you do if you're isolated at home by yourself great question. Yeah I think that this is. I definitely agree with you. I was listening to what you're saying. And yes the with each other but for those people who are at home isolated alone. Police online light connect with someone use facetime. Whatever you need to do to connect with someone telephone whatever The other thing that you can do is there's an APP for everything and I love this one but it's called the B. S. D. R. Player. It's an APP that creates bilateral stimulation so download the APP. It's very basic. You put your headphones in in. It'll beep in one year than other. What this does is going. The bilateral stimulation will mimic. What happens during Rem Sleep? So Ramsey is are going back and forth. Snowball comes up if you will be activated and we can clean it up with this APP. If you're at home alone with I want you to do is turn the APP on for too deep breaths then turn it off for one degress turn it on for too deep breaths. Turn it off for one deep breath and run that over and over and over. Because what you're doing is you're training the central nervous system. The Meat Villas. That turned on fighter. Freeze the bilateral stimulation will turn off the fight flight or freeze and help activate cool calm collected. The you're sitting at home filling all of this anxiety or worry or your slumping down into depression or anger pop in the headphones to deep breaths with the Dawn. One with it off over and over and over again and give your central nervous system the chance that it needs. You can also with this. App runs visualization exercises You can visualize being with your best friend. Hearing them laugh looking into their eyes holding their hands and your brain will literally fire as though you're with that person because of the bilateral stimulation. So you're giving your body countless ambulance but more than anything tried to connect with someone have some laughter. Shares funny stories connect because psychological isolation is definitely a thing. It's very very painful. Yeah and I think this is the beauty. Is I think again. This is where it's were being asked to get comfortable with technology and where we're going and consciousness is this. This is a we think. We're like high technology now like we haven't seen anything yet. The technological revolution is very very much a Upon us and it's going to be a really massive factor in the next twenty five hundred years so also getting comfortable with connecting with people on these platforms is an advantageous way to work with this as well and. I know that you don't have time left. I know you have to get going to see a client. We're GONNA come back to this conversation because you and I both feel very strongly that we have these gifts that we both in learning. Over the course of our careers we have very similar charts Isaac And we both feel like this is our moment to make sure you all get this information like it's really important to both. Isaac and I thought we are sharing as much information as we can because we can actually help help you and And if anyone wants to reach out to Isaac factual session to me actual reading that is also available that we can. We can do this video conference thing as well But we will be back. This is just the beginning of these conversations. Thank you and I will have because I want to. Just be giving us much information as possible right now. People absolutely gonNA save after yet. Yeah I mean if you need help reach out to someone access therapist a friend take care of yourself but not in the way that says. I have to be strong enough to do this by myself. But strong enough to step into the vulnerability that says. I am created as relational being and that means I need to take care of myself by being in relationship. This is not. The time to see. Vulnerability is weakness at the time to see it as your obstacle course to connect with people. Because that's what the universes craving for in this weird paradox like Gobi separate so that I can teach you how to be together. All Italy I think is what we're up to right now and I say access that like crazy. Remember what it feels like to be held and loved and vulnerable and belonging. Because that's over craving for I love. That is like absolutely love it? Thank you for hopping on this live with me. I really well. Hey we'll we'll get. We'll do this again because it's Oscar have so much more to say of course but hopefully this is a good place to stop so thank you so much for joining up some lovely. I'm not entirely sure how to do this. So I'm gonNA I think x. You out and hopefully says that where your life's going to ex- you out again. I don't know how to do it. Let's give it a shot. I think you're the best able knee haircut. Everyone okay all right okay and I hope I got for those of you who are have been listening. This has been really helpful for you. A ISAAC had to go because he did have a he needed to see But if there's any other questions that you guys can think of that you would like us to answer later on. I'm going to be bringing another therapist onto this live. Hopefully tomorrow seminar get every person I can think of. Who has these incredible skills to hop onto the slight I g? Tv thing with me and share this with all of you as much as possible so if you have any questions don't hesitate to the enemy reach out and do do what you can to participate in these conversations so we can quite literally change the consciousness with this information.

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#73: Ask Dr. Meg

Parenting Great Kids with Dr. Meg Meeker

33:37 min | 1 year ago

#73: Ask Dr. Meg

"Thirty plus years. I've seen every type of child grow up instead of giving me what I wanted. She gave me what I needed which was truth down lack emotions win. Let truth, man. Do your very bad. Then you have a lot of fun while you do it in the better, you get at something the more fun. You're gonna have it something you moms and dads are wired with everything you need to be a parent to a great kid. Welcome to parenting. Great kids. This is episode number seventy three I'm your host, Dr Meg meeker. And today, we're going to be doing something a little different. I collected some of the best Email questions that I could find and I'm just going to answer as many as I can during this entire podcast. I won't have any points to ponder for obvious reasons because I'm going to be answering questions and parents remember, please don't just download episodes. Click subscribe when you do that you are going to join my parenting revolution in every new. Episode will automatically show up in your subscribed list. And we'd love for you to write us a review on I tunes, and let us know what you think we're not only on I tunes, but the parenting great kids podcast is now available in the Google play store and on Stitcher. So no matter where you get your podcasts. Subscribe today. My first questions from Abby, dear Dr Meaker, my husband, and I have taken in three children that are friends of our family the youngest to our boys. And my question is about how much they eat. And if it's normal. I try to be careful they don't eat much sugar as they're already energetic, and hyper just an example of what they can eat in one sitting for breakfast, four fried eggs toast in a banana today for lunch. The nine year old had five hotdogs with the buns apple slices and chips. The six year old also had four hotdogs, and I'm not planning on cutting back their food because if they're truly. Hungry. I want them to eat. What can I do? Well, I'll tell you Abby. That's a great question. What I would encourage you to do is try to figure out why these boys are eating so much if they're very thin, and they are in fact, hungry I would just let them eat. If you find that they're beginning to gain weight, and they get a little on the chubby side. I would definitely cut back. The other thing is psychologically, they may want to overeat for several different reasons. One. It could be a compulsion that they learned in their family of origin. The other reason they could be eating so much as because they are not used to having regular meals. If they really were having a hard enough time in their family of origin that you had to take him in chances are they felt very insecure about with where the next meal was coming from. So that may be a reason that they're over eating to basically make sure they get three good meals if they want eat two or three servings as. Long as they're not getting overweight. That's great. I wouldn't encourage you to give them a lot of snacks. You wanna teach them that they wanna fill up and so that they're hungry again for the next meal by next question's from Brittany. Dear doctor Meg my three year old has cystic fibrosis, she's incredibly healthy, which is wonderful. My problem is this. My husband buyers way too many toys because he feels she's been dealt a bad hand. He gets mad at me when I do extra breathing treatments. And when I don't let her play in mud or swim in lakes. He says she's gonna hate me when she gets older because I'm keeping her from being kit. He complains about how inconvenient her treatments are. And how it sucks that? She has to go through all that. He purposely doesn't say most of the stuff in front of her. But I don't know how to handle this. How do we keep her from having a poor me attitude? Well brittany. That's a great question. Cystic fibrosis is a very serious. Disease as you know. And she does need a lot of extra care a lot of extra treatments. Tell your husband. It's really important that she get those extra treatments because she needs to breathe. Well, you know, insisted fibrosis her lungs can get closed up. She doesn't oxygen. Well, and that's gonna make her feel really bad. Also, it can make her more prone to infections. Let's talk about handling her with kid gloves. I would sit down and have an honest talk with your pulmonologist. And I'm sure you have one you wanna make sure that she can live as normal life as possible. So you wanna treat or not like a sick child, but like a healthy child if she has siblings by and large letter, do and her siblings or doing you obviously don't want to put an a situation where she's gonna get an unusual infection because that's very hard for kids with cystic fibrosis. So I would sit down with your pulmonologist and say, what are the things that I really need to keep her from because otherwise I wanna. Her do anything that she can to keep her feeling normal. Parents who I've seen who have chronically ill children that have worked in keeping their kids from having this poor me attitude and feeling that they're that someone's feeling sorry for them. All the time. Our parents who really continued to do everything normally with the child, and when I say that I'm not just talking about activities. I'm talking about discipline. I'm talking about restrictions. I'm talking about you know, she acts up that you have these same expectations for your daughter that you do for any other children. And that's the best thing that you can do to keep her from having a poor me attitude. It really is important that your husband not treat her differently than the other kids. I e not give her too many toys because he is treating her like he really feels sorry for her. So I encourage you to sit down and talk to one another and say, what can we do to communicate? Our daughter that we don't feel sorry for her that we feel towards her just like we do all the other kids, and again talked your pulmonologist about real risk and how to avoid very serious risk and let the rest go. Here's another question from Rachel their doctor. Meg I'm in a bind with my sons. They need discipline rules and limits, they often tell me that dad says something and its ally. And I have to be extremely careful not to bad mouth him the courts granted me sole legal custody. But he still has twenty nine percent of their time. My ex husband has contacted people to have me killed any turns everything against me. And the boys believe what he says they only partly obey when they obey me. And my first line of discipline is sending them to bed early. The second line of discipline is with electronics and screens. I need an effective discipline to deter them from getting into arguments with me over things they. Don't need to be a part of. I was told by a psychologist with boys in the room that I can shut them down and teach them to not engage with me. And it's wrong that I don't tell them everything. Their father still has the power of control and knows how much he uses the boys to control me the boys. Tell me I'm selfish for having the majority of their time. But the truth is it would be selfish. I gave them up and disappeared for my safety. I'm the parent that isn't interested in only being their friend and letting them be in charge. The court order parenting class tells you not to talk to your children about certain things we did move over the summer, and I know it's a change, but parents should help their children, not cause more pain. But my ex husband won't stop. And he's trying to take them away. From me. It's heartbreaking that my boys. Just don't wanna be with me. Rachel you're in a very tough situation. First of all, it's your safety and your boy safety is of. Utmost importance now, it's really important that you seek out legal help to the police and your lawyer and the courts about the threats that your husband has made to your physical safety if he's made those threats towards the boys as well. And I wouldn't be surprised if he does because people that make those threats against a previous loved one can easily do them against a child as well. So that's really important, and you need some sound advice from the law and the legal system. Secondly, the fact that your boys don't wanna be with you is a result of their father, really manipulating them. And he's doing this obviously to drive them away from you. There isn't much you can do about his manipulation of the boys. The most important thing is to remain steady and constant presence in their lives. You need to keep healthy discipline going with your boys when they're at your home. It's great that you have. Them. Most of the time seventy percent of the time. I would encourage you to set down some rules and tell them things like this. When you're in my home, you can't speak like this. You can't do this. And if you do those things here's what's going to happen. You are going to have to go to bed early electron IX are taken away. And when you say those things you've really got a follow through. It's going to be hard for you. Because chances are they don't have to follow these these rules dad's house, that's not atypical a divorce situation. But you need to you need to continue steady sound discipline. Here's one thing. I want to encourage you, you can't change your ex husbands manipulation of the boys. And they probably on the surface won't wanna be with you. But deep down your the one that makes them feel safe. So eventually as the boys get older, they're gonna see through the whole situation. They're going to know what's going on. And they will want to be with you. Ultimately because you are the safe person and the real loving person because you offered discipline. Should you? Tell them the whole truth about their dads threat against you know, the boys already know that their dad hates you and feel strongly against you. If however he makes threats towards them, you have to deal with that in an open fashion. But I really don't think that kids need to know everything that's going on between parents. It'll scare them. It'll change their relationship with you and their dad, and I would just keep that private my next question comes from Kim. Hi, Dr Meg I wanted to know if you have any thoughts are suggestions on putting your son into kindergarten at age five instead of six I live in a county where several parents always hold back their children. But I'm torn on the pros and cons. Well, kim. Here's the thing twenty years ago kindergarten kindergarten. But now, man. Many kindergartens are like first grade kids feel a lot of pressure. They have to work really hard to have to concentrate, really hard. And a lot more is expected of young kids in kindergarten than it was several years ago. So if the trend in your area is to hold kids back and not start them in kindergarten until they're six. That's what I would do. I'm not particularly a fan of it. I think that we need to have kindergarten kindergarten. I think the kids are pushed too much, but that's the way life is and many schools. So I would encourage you to hold your son back and start him at if he's six 'cause that's what a lot of the people doing and you don't want him to be behind. My next question is from LA Christian. I have a seventeen year old son who has had ADD since the first grade, my son is seventeen now one of his friends showed him a picture of a naked girl that was one of their classmates, and he told his friend. He didn't wanna look at it. He was called gay by this friend, his friend. Was joking about the comment, and he later apologized to my son. But this sent my son in a whirlwind of emotional struggle. He began questioning his faith thoughts of being afraid that he would turn gay. He struggling with a lot of different things went to accounts and was started on Lexa pro his grades have always been initiate school. Attention has always been an issue and recently, he's become very defiant and disrespectful and lying a lot. He's not bad kid. But he started looking at porn a lot after the gay comment. I was and still am very angry about him looking at it. I've yelled at him. But nothing helps his grades are really bad. And we're only five weeks into the school year. Well, lacrosse jet. You have some serious issues going on first of all Lexa pros a medication that's used for depression and anxiety, and he's old enough to be on it. If you're watching him carefully. And you do feel that it's helping his depression anxiety. It's okay to keep him on it as long as you are working very closely with your physician as far as his bad behavior as defiance and his disrespectful nece and lying around the house. I'm sure that this is tied in with looking at the porn. He feels guilty looking at the porn as well. He should because porn horrible for young boys and men, and it's unfortunately, it's rampant. It's everywhere guarantee. You he has friends that are looking at porn as well. So he feels guilty about this. He's getting defiant with you because he's angry at you for catching him, he's angry at himself so on and so forth. He's also angry himself because he's getting bad grades. He has low self esteem, and he's taking that out on you. So I would continue to work with a counselor with that as far as the pornography. You have to help him. Stop it. It's really hard. Because as I said, it's everywhere. Pornography comes at boys pornography has been shown to lead to some depression to drinking to drug abuse to promiscuity, it takes boys to a very dark and ugly place. I would encourage you to seek out some of the work by Steve Arte, burn. And he wrote a very good book called every man's battle. And he talks a lot about what men and boys go through. And he also has some great advice for how to help boys and men get off of pornography. So look him up. He has a lot of great resources. If dad is in the home, you and dad and your son need to sit down and have a real heart to heart about how dangerous pornography is and how hard you're willing to fight for him to get off of it, you need to put some serious controls on all of his devices, and you need to tell him that you and his dad are going to hold him accountable for everything. He looks at it's hard to find everything he looks at because seventeen year old boys can be very sneaky and hide things from you. But do the best that you can. 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But at the same time, I know deep down she's hurting she's not happy and she stressed out. At at school because of some bullying. Well, Lena, you're a very into mother as far as the discipline of your kids. What I would do is. I would talk to all three at the same time. And I would sit down and have a conversation that goes something like this kids you've all developed bad habits. You don't listen when I tell you to do something, you don't brush your teeth. You don't make your bed, and then you tell them things and you can be disrespectful. So here's the deal. I'm gonna tell you to do these things one time from now on and if you don't do them the first time, I tell you. Here's what the consequence is going to be you won't have your cell phone. You won't get together with friends. You can't go to sports practice. Whatever it is that your kids really want to do is thing you're going to use as the consequence, and they may be different from each of your kids may. Maybe you're thirteen year old daughter loves social media and her phone she take her phone away. Maybe your ten year old boy loves to play soccer. He doesn't play soccer for a week. This sounds harsh. But you've got to communicate to your kids. You're not gonna nag you're not going to yell. You're serious. Basically, you have to nag your kids because your kids aren't listening to you. And they don't take anything you do seriously. So when you get down to business, they'll start listening as far as your daughter, go back through, my blogs and read about depression and girls, I've written a lot about depression. And it's really important to recognize it in your kids. Thirteen is a horrible age for girls, your daughters becoming a woman girls are getting meaner, boys. Make fun of them. There's a lot going on in school. So what I encourage you to do. And I think you're really pretty in tune with already I would try to spend some one on one time with your daughter once or twice a week taker out to dinner or take her out to breakfast or take her out shopping alone. On ask her some questions about what our friends are doing. And then listen to her these aren't teaching times these aren't times when you're going to try to change your mind the times, you're spending with your daughter are to show her you really enjoy her company, and you wanna listen to what's going on in her life. You wanna hear her heart? If you find out some things in your daughter's life that are very concerning. Like, she is very depressed. She's thought about dying. She feels that her friends don't like her, and she is very depressed over that. You need some professional help best thing to do go to your pediatrician alone talk to him or her and say, I'm worried about my daughter being depressed. What can you do to help me and any good pediatricians going to give you a lot of help? That's where I encourage you to go my next questions from Sheni. Dear doctor Meg I'm a mother of four boys. Thirteen ten six and three. I feel that I have very well rounded boys with one exception. My thirteen year old is so. Mean to his brothers from name calling to hitting shoving to being very demeaning. It's a constant struggle. My husband's a pastor, and I'm an educator, and we work really hard to be good examples to him we work on being respectful to our children, and we have high expectations. What are some strategies we can do to encourage him to be kind with his words and actions to those that he lives with I don't want the younger boys to resent him when they get older. And I want him to learn to use self control even when others annoy him or aggravate him. Well, Shunyi you're not in an unusual situation. It isn't uncommon at all for one sibling out of two or three or four to be meaner than the others. But here's the bottom line. Your thirteen year old son is a bully now. I know you're trying to be understanding encouraging and you're trying to give him positive reinforcement. And that's very very important you need to keep your standards high. You need to teach. Him to be respectful, but he needs some serious rules this kid needs raining in. He can't be mean to his brothers because they will resent them. They will pick up his bad behavior and their self confidence will suffer because he's the oldest. And it's just hard to be picked on all the time by anybody. Even if it's a sibling. So you need to treat them like you would treat any other bully that wasn't your son. You know that bullies bully because deep down something's really bothering them. They have low self esteem. They're jealous. Maybe he's jealous of his other brothers. So you and your husband need to get to the bottom of what's bugging your thirteen year old. I would even sit down and talk to him and say, here's why we think you're bullying your brothers. What's going on? How do you really feel is this something that you really want to do? How does it make you feel when you're mean to them? Does it make you feel better? Or does it make you feel worse? Your husband if he can needs to take. Him out alone and spend some time with him and do a little bit of digging to find out what could be eating at him. Maybe he's always had low self esteem. Maybe he's always had the personality where he just his fuses short, and he just gets mad easier. But he's at the age where he really needs to learn as you said some self control, you really need to go through my discipline with courage, and kindness because this is exactly what I address one of the principal reasons that we discipline our kids, we don't do it to be mean or to be controlling one of the reasons that we do it is to teach kids self control because no one in life can be successful at anything unless they have self control. You can't be good at your job. You can't have a healthy marriage. You can't have healthy friendships or relationships if you don't have self control. And right now, your son is really out of control. He's not gonna gain self control over. Tonight, and the way kids learn it is that their parents have to I impose it that's why we make kids do things when they're young and out of control. We teach them what it feels like to live with rules to live with restrictions to live with laws you and I live with them every day. And as they learn to live with those restrictions as they get older, they begin to impose the restrictions on themselves. They learn how to discipline themselves. They learn how to talk to people so modeling at tier son is really important. But you've gotta make him do it as well. So here's what I encourage you to do you. I need to figure out what's eating at him. And why he such a bully, and I would treat him just like bullying, you can eve- even use that language with him not in front of his brothers. But you can talk to him about that in private. So you figure out what's going on? If you can second you sit down and say. Here's what you can no longer. Do you've been doing it for five years. Two years, however, long you've been mean to your brothers and you give him some specifics. You say this this is your tone of voice, and you hit. So we're going to pick you find the three things that he does that are most offensive to his brothers. And you say for now on you can no longer do this. And this and this do you understand? Yes, I understand and he'll get mad. Here's what's going to happen to you. If data I find you doing any of those three things for one week, you're grounded you'll come home after school, and you will be with me or dad, you won't go to soccer practice. You won't talk to your friends. You won't be allowed on the television on your computer anything. You can do your homework in the kitchen in front of me other than that, you cannot use a computer. In other words, you get serious about this. And if you need to do it for two weeks, you do it too for two weeks when my? My daughter was thirteen. She told me to shut up once she was grounded for a month. She didn't go to basketball practice. She couldn't go to friends houses. She couldn't get on the phone. We didn't have cell phone sent it was a miserable first week of the month. But I'll tell you something after that at the end of that month, my daughter in law got along so well because she learned to respect me, she talked while to me she never said shut up again. And today, she's thirty five and she's one of my fairy closest friends when you crack down your kids out of love, and you're serious about rules and discipline. They respect you. They draw closer to you and your son who's thirteen. The bully will be so much happier when he stops bullying. So you can do this you and your husband just have changed tactic. I really strongly encourage you to look at my discipline with courage, and kindness course, it'll really help you. I'll take one more. And this is. Is from Ashley dear doctor. Meg. I haven't amazing son. Who's in second grade? He's going to be eight this month. We had a situation where all of a sudden he started noticing girls and having all kinds of feelings that I don't think our normal for a seven year old he noticed breasts, and he began having dreams were girls aren't always dressed came out of nowhere. We don't watch any movies with him where he would see this is it normal for a child of seven to be thinking about this. We've told them that his feelings are normal. But that we don't talk about them with friends at school, but he could always share his feelings with mom and dad he's been very open which has been surprising. He feels guilty when he looks at girls breasts, and then he tells us he's just seeing them with skirts on and we tried to explain that all girls have breasts. Thank you. Ashley, actually, your son is at an age second grade ish. Seven eight nine where they're starting to question. Male female relationships. They're starting to question what sex is all about. They don't have sexual feelings there prepubertal, but they're very curious about what sex is about. How girls are built? How boys are built? And it's not even unusual for boys to pull their pants down in front of another boy and for them to look at each other's penises, or for them to wanna take a peek at a girl under her shirt dec- what breasts are so as curiosity is normal. You're handling it beautifully. You say to him Honey, your feelings and your curiosity are totally normal. But we talk about these with mom and dad in private so you don't necessarily wanna make him feel guilty. His curiosity about girls doesn't sing that. He's had any kind of abuse at all kids have been sexually abused her imitating sexual behavior. Your your son's not doing that? So the fact that his imagination is going and these wondering pearls look like is perfectly normal. You're doing a great job keep talking to him about it. Help him not feel guilty. But just answer his questions, and it's really important, Ashley and doing all this. You're setting the stage for some really important conversations that are up ahead, and that is how to talk to him about sex. I have a whole course in that too. Which is because parents wanted to know how to talk to their kids about sex keep the conversation going and you say to him. Thank you for coming and telling me your concerns and asking questions when ever you have a question about boys and girls or relationships or moms and dads anything that you wonder about don't go to your friends because they may not have the right answers. Always come to me because I had the right answers. And I will answer any question. You have at any time. Because dad, and I know all the right answers to any questions that you're gonna have. And that's the way you set yourself up if you will as being the go-to person when it comes to questions about sex now and later on well, parents I wish we had more time. 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Black Women Can Never Not See Color

Shades of Strong � | Shifting the Strong Black Woman Narrative

49:44 min | 9 months ago

Black Women Can Never Not See Color

"They do all right guys. Nettleton and I are back with another episode of shades of strong. I know we've missed what Natalie may be two three weeks a week. 'cause you know life happened in but we're back. I have another death in the family in Canada. Sokoto on me day. Nadal has some things going on as well so but anyway we are finally back with episode episode twenty three. We appreciate you guys waiting one. Is I know how we get down. We'll talk about all the beings shape making sometimes break the stone platform so Nadal and say hey to the world people yet we miss jaw. We did we we. We missed coming together. In you know talking I missed you. Girl I've missed coming together talking to you because this is therapeutic for me and NATOLIN. It gives us a chance to catch up with these other sudden misdoings. Feel like you've missed me through. I definitely did. The feeling is definitely mutual. I enjoy talking every week. And even if we don't get a chance to do any other talking outside of recording these episodes I I definitely reports would be sad these episodes to record so I guess 'cause we talk about other stuff. People behave coalition. Yeah yeah the yeah that's true. That's real yeah it. Is it definite so anyway? We'll we want to talk about. Tonight's was or I always say tonight. I don't know what I do that only we report at night. You go but what I want to talk about. Is I received this? I received a message in my inbox was asking me why shades of strong was created specifically for Black Women and addressed it pays address it on the podcast Wail. And just Kinda give natty becoming. We'll talk about why we need to do. And why the message is important. Four black women when I first created Shays a strong or originally. It was getting a lot when when it was dropped at my spirit. I was afraid to specify that it was for black women because I did not want to contribute to the divisiveness that our country right now and so I felt like say it specifically for Black Women would be would be contributing to that so I was reluctant about doing it but as I continue to think about my individual struggle and Dan struggles of my sisters my friends in Thal astronaut length. The same in it. We'RE GONNA. We're being completely honest. I think we can say that everything that was created for all women was created with black. You might need to repeat that little pat because people don't seem to get it it was not. I mean okay so I'm GONNA say it again. But if people in the back everything that was created for all women would never eighty were black women in mind when you think about marketing. You're not gonNA see are faces. I mean getting better with it now but now you I mean now now like yesterday now writes has decade last couple. Es I was not going to see are faces plastered across their marketing materials and bring Riano when she created this makeup line. That was for all shades. I think about Mac I can remember going to make up for makeup and may only had one color that was specifically for black women and they sold same color set everybody and it was n w forty five every black person. I don't care what shade of dark skiing were. You got end up before because the because like I said everything that was created for all women was not created with us in Moscow. Just recently had they started gotta can't even think of any makeup lines. Laurie Ale maybelline. But now you see them trying to match everybody's shake Or they just recently started doing that. So a multi. Everything was created for all win was not created with black women admires so I don't feel guilty. I no longer feel guilty saying that. Shades of strong was specifically created for black women because less has been one hundred dollars struggles are not the same. Our our white counterparts did not grow up like we grew up. Our experiences are realities are not the same. So I created this platform so that we can have a safe space where we can talk about our individual and collective struggles and feel safe doing that without the judgment and criticism from people on the outside alphabet about you know what. I'm sure I don't I mean. People are so quick to say that we all bleed. I get we do and I say this. Say This on my facebook page to we all do bleed rid but my but my blood is season with the pain and the struggle of my ancestors and with a with that of every black woman who dares to have a voice. Okay because we be honest when we do we speak up about. The indifference is ending injustices will automatically labeled we ridiculed persecuted. So can we just not pretend like light? Racism doesn't exist because it does that we are judged based solely because of the color. Basking is so you try to get mean or convince me to erase my color or not to speak about my colored than what I feel like. You're doing you're trying to get me to erase my story because my color is a part of my store. So I'M GONNA keep talking about and I'm GonNa keep saying that shows a strong we talk about all the things that shape mate and sometimes break the strong black woman. Because if you've never walk in my shoes if you've never been a black woman you can't tell me what it's like to be black because I live this every day. You don't have to in the stores in people following behind you. You know because you went in a store that black people don't typically shopping so now you be a profile you have to. You don't have to deal were back. So that's why I create space. An ESA I know the person that sent it to me. I mean it was a black but you know even as like people To this not exclude like they exclude us and not necessarily excluded anybody. I welcome open dialogue from anybody. That's not the same color that I am but this space was specifically created with the black woman in my natty. Oh say a lot. I miss trying to remember that. We have timed recording here. And I can't just go off But I first of all I one hundred percent agree with everything such first of all. Let me just suggest like and said that this was this was someone who is black. Brought this up and I'm not here to criticize anybody or anything like that. I I get I get it but there are conversations like this within my position on this though is there are certain things like you said you know about creating a safe space. There are certain things that I no longer feel comfortable talking about a mixed company. What I mean by that is bear certain things that I that caused the pain of costly harm that I know that if I don't talk about it with other black women I am not going to get the support that I need. My needs will not be met. I will not be listened to will not be heard. I will only be guessed lighted and that something that I'm not willing to put up with any any more. I'm just getting too old for it and I'm not old but I'm getting too old for a been dealing with that my entire life and it speaks to what you were saying about how we had certain experiences and certain things that we've been through that other people don't go through you said. You you don't you. You go to store and once following you. I'm dealing with micro for people who aren't black every day every day. This is not an exaggeration again. So this you know like usually if you're gonna say something like that again in the company you're GonNa get met with gas lighting. Oh absolu- I'm sure that's not what's really going on our. Oh I don't believe that for a minute it doesn't really matter what you believe It what matters is. I know exactly what I'm serious and not looking through it through some sort of lens of bitterness or anger or or unresolved whatever whatever know. What a micro aggression is and I experience it every day and that's not something that I'm willing to talk about with someone who isn't a black woman now if you're someone who is a person of color and yes you also go through certain things. Maybe but I have to really know you also if you are a white woman and I know that you go through things too because you're a woman. I still have to know you at a certain level before I feel safe talking about any of that in so there needs to be a place where we can talk with each other and address these things so that we can feel heard and supported and I also find it from China's technical here. I also find it a little annoying that this seems to be brought up with black people in general all the time. When you find out you have a child that has WHO's neuro divergent or has high anxiety or something like that and you find the support of that no one asked. Well how can you feel it much? Combo is dealing with extreme anxiety. Depression like they've been diagnosed or whatever or they're just really afraid or they've got this issue or that issue and I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to buy blackface some sort of issue but there are certain things that we look at and we see them as holidays really aren't apologies is just something that someone is going through or something. That is part of that person's experience and we don't ever look at these other groups different groups of people and say how come you don't include everybody. It's always just us. It's like well how come it's not everybody. It's like dude. If I'm seeing black lives matter I'm not saying black lives matter. No one else's life matters. That's not what I'm saying. All I'm seeing is black lives matter also because you'll really have been living and breathing and walking through this earth or however long pretending that allies don't matter that's all this is about so when you say Shirley that I'm creating a space so that we could talk about the things that make and break. The strong woman were not saying. Hey there are other women that feel these struggles with having to be strong all the time. Oh would not say in that. We're saying in particular because there's no other place for us to feel safe talk about this. I'm creating the space for us. That's literally all you're doing and I'm really just grinds Mike Gears a little bit that we can't have that and then there are people within our ultimately that don't understand it and it reap so little it's a little of respectable respectability politics because it's all about. Let's not do anything to piss off the white oaks like and I'm like no. We don't want to ruffle any feathers ruffled feathers because the only people that really jumped up I talk about. Oh this is. Adviser are people who aren't black. Because I know that you aren't being devices. This isn't what this isn't your agenda at all. This is to create a space where we can talk about what happened yesterday. What happened yesterday? Is What happens to us. All the all the time when you're when you're in the workplace and I perfectly fell on this being where this lady was saying we're not commented on on a on a post in on shays a strong page and she was saying that think it was the angry black woman coax that she coming in want and she was saying that she can be at work. You know in. She'll say hey. Can you pass pass the sugar? Can you pass the cream white person wall? Wait a minute now because they naturally not all of them or some people naturally assume that that we're naturally when we're not we could be talking in our regular tone in regularly. We didn't say it the way you know you thought we we should have said it. And so automatically were deemed aggressive and angry and on other stuff that they label us. And so I. I have not walked in anybody else's shoes. I can only tell you what by experiences but I I do feel safe saying that. Black women are the real minority. 'cause last jazz beat date. I think not mistaken. It was Malcolm X. Has said that black women are the most disrespect for people in America. Yeah that was I mean who else is getting toned police on the regular day like we are police for everything for the way for the way we were asked shared the way. We the way the way you were closed our features are nose lips. Everything everything we are. Everything is policed when it comes to the African American female so tell me why why should I not create a space where we can be safe and had conversations about think about those things where we don't have suppress what we're feeling exactly like we can actually speak out and speak up and not feel like we're going to be silenced or gas lit. I think said gas at earlier. I don't know I do use burn. Never remember but to me. I don't know what you say but I know what you mean. I really do need this kind of space. Honestly because I've never had it like I've never had it. I've gotten a taste of it once or twice and that's been within the last four years and not kidding. I used to want to be a part of a black Greek sorority. When I was in college and looking back now I know that part of the reason I wanted so badly at the time to be a part of something like that was for this very reason to feel like maybe I could. You'll save somewhere and express myself and has maybe a support system to go to when something was bothering me or what. I experienced something that caused the any kind of harm or maybe even trauma. I did not have that at all and I feel like that's probably the experience of the average black women not having anything like that not having any resource like that and when you don't have any source like you don't feel buyers anywhere that you can turn for any kind of support when you're dealing with racist microaggressions on the daily when you're dealing with with misogyny massaging Warr and tone policing and you're dealing with Ovalles. Gosh I got an extra look a certain way when I go to work or when I go out not even just to work when I go out. I have to make sure I look a certain way. So that people are looking at me like I'm some sort of whatever when the the amount of crusher the quits on someone. It really does take its toll and when you're talking about being alive for forty years fifty plus years and this is what you dealt with. And you've tried. You've tried to do all of quarter poker writings again so that you don't ruffle anyone stutters. What I mean as you don't rougher white people centers you don't after like doing all these so-called things that'll make them respect you or make them love you or make them except you and then you realize oh no. It's never going to be enough. It's never good enough. The posts always get moved. It doesn't matter you're either on educating lazy or you're over educated you're either you're either to over sexualize or it's always something always always somebody something and you can't celebrate yourself you can't express yourself without being police There's so many layers in factors to this that this is in this only what this is. What only we goats auto again microaggressions on the daily on their daily. So please miss me. With the whole initiatives I miss me. How come you can't It's like nobody is excluding anyone I'd never said you never said. Hey don't come unless you're this like it's just like it's it's like a historically black colleges and universities you realize that all distributed against white people right they don't say don't say that you can't apply you can and if you're if you're academics are what they need to be accepted. There are white students that go to these places. That's not why they were created. They were created at a time. When blacks soons couldn't get into other universities? And so. Yeah you're like oh well I mean that's not the case so close all these other schools down our no nos again. We need somewhere will we can actually be nurtured. But you need to be in a space where people actually get it. They get in a place where people actually get into the race with people. People actually see that part that part. We're not invisible. Oh where you're not token is or fetish is. You're not walking into a place in everyone. Sorta sort of accepting you on paper or conditionally or erratically. Because they don't see color opd where you don't have to deal with any of that. Vs let me tell you. I it absolutely I applaud. Let's take the whole hour so they say well people say I don't see color if you don't see color you don't see me if you don't see color then. I guess you never bought me crayons for your kid. Like come on really. Did you say your house must look a mess? Because you can't decorate you. Don't know what kind of clothes you wear it everyday because you don't give me a break like this is like Chai again. It's like let's not say who I am and triumph. Apologize any of it. My blackness is not a pathology. It's not something that's an elephant in the room that you'd have to pretend to ignore. Oh I don't see your color so it's okay. No that's not what I am like. There's nothing wrong with me. There's nothing ugly about. There's nothing unacceptable or or any. There's nothing about me that needs to be about or swept under the rug. You can say I'm a look. She's a black woman. You don't have to go oceans woman like you don't. That's what people when they when they say they don't see color that's what they're doing and I get it. I know it was like no. I'm trying to say that I don't I? Don't judge you by that. No you can't discounting Mike's just counting as for my whole I. You're you're discounting my whole identity and I don't do that with you like your white actually. Did she wind blond hair? Blue Eyes feel all of that. And you'll see that and you don't have a problem with it. So why is it not be? It's exhausting it's absolutely exhausting. And if I didn't have someone on planet earth that I like to talk about this with who would understand get it. This exhaustion would wear me in to where couldn't do it any To have that is liberating to have that. It gives you a sense of freedom a sense of not being boxed Union Yup and hers in stereotype that out when I get an email or Mrs from someone saying Oh what you said just really touched me. It feels so good to to not being this along. Do you know how to my heart because it confirms to me. That space is needed because there are so many black women out there. That really do feel like I'm a news thing alone. Will you're working on a job where there are worse predominantly white? 'cause? I know I worked on her job. There were I was the only black person aside from the scene. Yo and it was. It was always uncomfortable because even for me I was constantly watching. What I'm saying how I'm saying what I'm what I'm wondering how how where my hair because I didn't want to offend the White People. But they don't care about me. That was this one lady there that that worked there and I just really had to get our toll one day good day. She asked me for some change to get something out of out of it and I said I don't carry cash around on me so I don't have any change so I walked on by gun. Halls wants my office. She was she was walking behind me and she said she say on your white girl in a black girl's body and I say what is your your she got. It was cute. She s she follow me almost opposite in an essay. Why did you say why did you say that? And she said because I thought all black black people always carry canvas and I looked at her like. I'm taking it back. I don't know what to say about this so I I'm GonNa continue to let her talk. She said I thought all people carry cash just in case they give portal or they have to go to jail. Jenner and I just looked at it. I'M NOT GONNA call her during but I looked at her. I said first of all. Why do you assume that if a person gets pulled over the automatically going to jail and it seems like that's not what I'm saying? I said that is exactly what you say so this would you say so you can have some. I guess like to bail yourself out whatever we had this whole conversation so those are the so. That's why I'm saying that this space is needed. So yeah I took a little time to tell her how efficient that was and how if she has said that to any other person she would have been doing. Good old fashioned. But because I'm little nice and because we in this is let me explain to you. What's wrong with what you just say? It and I thought the first time she says super stuff like she said a whole lot of superstar at work in these places. Where were you are maybe the only black face in the building and they think you are the encyclopedia all things? I got that too. Why do black people do this Do you think it right. We hosted a louder trainings analysis. One Lady and she will always come in and say do you think of I said that You know the people might be offended about in my. My answer to her was always. If you have to extract question they will probably be as you. Probably a good rule of thumb for so don't says so it. Is those things like those. Are The things that that makes me. No a confirms to need that. This space is needed because people are all. This is one hundred black peop- Black Women Arte only people and I say this with conviction and fourteen and with everything in me because I believe we are the only people who are not allowed the space to work through trauma we expected to grin and bear it on care what's going on in our life tunnel other cheek get over it on respected to stay silent. Racism Sexism ageism color ISM classism all the. Don't say anything. The baddeck were expected to be voiceless when we struggling to being a parent with the silent was stuck in a horrible relationship. Toxic work environment is like whatever happens. Don't say nothing. Let it roll. We are the only war who are expected to do that now. Black men are expected to do it on a certain level but when they when they speak is more acceptable than any is when a black woman. Speaks. That black. Women's GonNa just sit in silence. That's literally part of why what we're talking about like you. We talk about how the term strong black woman is like. It's killing killing us through. It's killing us and that's why we've talked to young women that are like dude. Don't even I don't don't even call me that they don't want. They don't want dicks expectation that they got us like. Hey Glynn something really shitty happens to you this. Shut up and just great. I just have to. You just have to deal with you. Be Okay with it and you have to. Maybe even pretend that nothing ever happened. Arizona's fine and you have to do that over and over and over again. Why so that everyone else around? You can be comfortable can be okay to make an dame comfortable to make them comfortable. You've got to shrink yourself old yourself up stuff yourself in a box tape that box and lock it so that no one else gets offended and that mess it. It's us in. This is one of the things also that we need to be able to talk about amongst each other. You know what else gets it because as I say no one gets. It is because ninety nine point nine for some time they will try to gas into oblivion dailies plus. She made sure this is what they're really hard for. No permit meant any harm. You weren't the ones absolutely. You didn't see the body language you didn't hear the tone of voice. You didn't see the reactions to I react. How would you know what someone actually needs when you're not the one experience so yeah? I I clearly have very very very strong opinions about this but suffice it to say this is something that is one hundred percent needed. I think a lot of times especially in our community whenever something is needed. There's so much backlash at either jess with Riera. Like even just with like. Hey I'm gonNA come out with a makeup line that has forty shades and it's like Oh wait we'll hook hook. It's like dude. I'm not excluding anyone. I said. Forty not for that means you most likely will still be able to find your shape like you always been able to absolutely also other people who have historically not been able to find their sued will probably have a better likelihood of finding it now and. I love what you said about Mac. Quite by the time I started using MAC cosmetics. I was doing a lot of theaters a lot of shows and stuff and then they didn't have just in Britain forty-five because I was W forty-three and so I knew if I need to buy a foundation I have to matt counter at macy's because that's the only way I'm GonNa get my foundation. That's nice shade. Because I need in W Fortensky now. All of these other brands like the mayor leads the cover girls in all of these other brands. Are He. Wait no no. We've not like this and we always had them. It's like okay. First of all you may have always had them. Maybe maybe but even if you did there was no way we're ever GonNa know about it because you never said me. Because they didn't that is us. They don't have the time as well. You see the commercials on television dated. It wasn't our faces. No one would literally not seen L. but what about this model in that model? Yeah the reason why we know the Naomi Campbell's and the tyra banks's the Amman's is because they really are exceptions to the rule. The fact that we can call out their names out of the Sea of supermodels at their been just proves the point that they're not they're not actually checking for us the not looking for us so when a young thirty almost thirty year old Rieti Around since says. Hey I'm checking for you. I'm GonNa make some stuff then. They're all clamoring not because they act. Let me go do not all not. Because they're they're they they have the same vision or the same mission of became. There is money because they just WANNA get I. It's it everything's all good. When there's some white woman wearing corn rows on a magazine cover girl. Don't get me started on Os fashion now. It's fast is a problem when we were. It's a problem when I mean I've literally I've literally heard and seen people make not pleasant remarks about Around me while I'm wearing mind here naturally in an Afro it's ridiculous. It is unknown ridiculous. Our our buts were always too big. Oh my God becky look at all my God and now. They're all spending all this money to get these Kim uncles. That are probably really horrible in their butts so they can have big butts same thing with grips that were too big on us all the same thing with. Tanny. It's it's the same the same thing. I remember years though I posted a basically back in twenty eleven or something. I was like one of the things that I'm really grateful for is. Never Harvard to worry about Needing Spray Tan. Because I don't eat no need. I don't need to go to tanning bed. I don't need to lay out in the sun and get stink answer. I don't need to do any of that but it's it's really you know. The irony is strong that you want to denigrate a woman who that actually is on state then turn around and pay money to try and look like her to try and do they want to say they're quick to say. Oh You Pretty. Fort Knox Game Trillion dollar every time. I was told that yeah. That's all it like it's really it's it's ridiculous and it does something. I am convinced it does something to our collective psyche. It does something to our mental health. I think it's part of the reason. Why so many of us is. Women are struggling with depression and anxiety in addition to all kinds of other factors. It's an and yeah we gotta be able like. I don't have a therapist yet so until I get one. I still need to be able to talk up. Yeah you need to be able to talk about where you're feeling he's been talking about it and the patent the rest of our how long your life right exactly exactly. I agree shocked when you're upset or they're shocked when you break down or whatever and they're wondering what's wrong it's like wow whatever could be wrong there completely clueless and that's just further proof that you don't go insane crap that I go. I go to absolutely and I'm not guest experiences. No saying that yours is not the same as mine. And since I'm not sitting around gas lighting you how about you pay me the same courtesy fame earned since I'm not like hey why don't you yes? We talk a lot about wanting to see representation. We don't talk about hey. Let's get misrepresentation in exclude other folks. That's not what we do. We're just like hey. We consume all of this stuff the same way that you do but never represented so. Let me see my face on the screen. Can I see my face on the screen? Mike wants a while like every now and again because it reflects the world that I live in. I guess it doesn't reflect where you live but it does reflect where and again if it doesn't reflect where you live. That's further proof. You don't go through the same stuff that I go through. Which means yes. I need a space to talk about these things like everytime they turned on the television. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA see their faces. Will we turn it on? We might see one token black person. Yeah and and like we said at the beginning. It's gotten a lot better but it's really been just this last decade really. I don't even think he's Baylor. Defecate I think is probably you know what you're reading five. He's really five years and the and the fact that would still get so we see so much pushback and so much over the fact that there's still so much resistance in so many complaints we do see more. Representation is yet again. Further proof that what we experience as black women is not the same as all of the rest of the women because if that were the exact same it would ease wish faculty. There wouldn't be all these anti-black remarks microaggressions from not just white women but other women of color that aren't black it wouldn't exist so obviously it does mean that. We need some face of our own to process a lot of the buyer stop. That is the three living in breathing of just being black female. And I don't know how much how much more succinctly we can explain it re people to get it. I think a lot of people have even expanded. A lot of different people. Black women have explained it and people hear it and they keep coming with the same kinds of questions and starting to think that they're being deliberately obtuse or they're just wanting to be rookery ignorant because they really don't WanNa have to face those routes and I'm like if you don't WanNa face those choose bats your problem that might. We're not getting rid of our space exactly. We're not doing a you cannot for for the people who questioning why this space was created. You cannot continue to bury your head in the sand because because these things that we are talking about are real-life issues these are real. Life stroke was stabbed Glenn Vase every day of their lives. If you never hedge our emotions blamed on your identity I e being black and female if you've never been telling pretty for dark skinned girl if you've never been followed around in a store if you've never been profiled for riding in a particular car are driving up into the up in your driveway in in a specific neighborhood. If none of that stuff has ever happened you have. None of that has ever happened. Ticking super because of your gender and color of your skin and I'm an easy to take several seats. Several several several get really like. Don't get back up just take segmentation like seriously because like I like I'm done I'm done having to constantly Laid myself constantly explain. Why Oh my gosh like this is doing this so that I can actually heal from some stuff about that like you. I'm a better person for myself. A better person or my husband. My children people around me for more a heal from this and part of my healing involves being able to talk about this with other black women. I know for a sad that I can't talk about this. With the average white woman or the average non black woman of color because as been there done that a cement movie already. I know what happens? It's not doing it anymore owner. Who Like I'm not doing it anymore? We're not like that. I'm I'm not doing it because I can't. I can't find the healing but I need that way. Absolutely ultimately desperate. That's what this entire movement movement is about is about healing at the end of the day. We are simply fighting for our right to be to be seen into her. Without Being Sean in ridiculed and stereotyped and so instead of questioning why the space was created how? `Bout you get onboard. Gps CAn't on doubt US dismantle the myths and a labeling and the stereotypes. That would be great. That would be wonderful to see. This is another thing that I believe for or I believe that Malcolm X. was at one hundred percent dead on accurate when he said that black women are the most suspected in the most unprotected Women in this country. It doesn't mean that other women are disrespected. Other women aren't protected. Doesn't mean the white women are disrespected not protected. That's that's also true. He said the most consistently so imagine what happens if all women as you want all women start with banding together and surrounding protecting the most vulnerable of them first and getting them the healing and support that they deserve and then everyone rises and the as those women get whole and healed. Then we can go to the next group of women back that are Vulnerable that are most vulnerable and so on and so forth until eventually none of us are most vulnerable. Absolutely nobody ever thinks about that. You think about it in your own families though when you have a sick child and the rest of your children aren't sick you do you do everything you can to. Alma tension to get that one child at the other healthy so that the others don't get sick and then once. That child is back to their normal hell than all the kids are. Okay but you don't you don't sit and have conversations with your spouse or with your extended family about how come you're only you? How come you only tending to that one? One one child because she has pneumonia and the rest of my kids. Don't have it so yes I'm quarantining her and myself and I'm taking care of her specifically it's a similar concept ever do that when it's your own family. How can you possibly see that in a larger scale out in the world like we've got to do a lot better about thinking about people who are most most vulnerable in the most marginalized and and the truth of the matter is that is that as people who are poor people who are blacked? It was women. It is Trans Women. Black Trans Women Disabled People People with mental illness. Those are the people who get dumped on the most and they are the most vulnerable and be most unprotected in what we should be doing is cooling all of our support and resources as people that the people that don't have those those Circumstances Daesh be banding around those people and doing everything that Kansas support them so where to where they can rise up to whatever rebel everyone else's at so then we can all continue to ride through. I don't understand like I guess maybe it's because of a mom and I have multiple kids your mom and you have kids. It seems crystal clear to me because this is exactly what I do. My own home is exactly what we our own homes. When one of our children is not doing well doesn't mean we don't live are the kids and we look in a somebody. Were to accuse us of that. Would look at him. Cross-eyed like they have to like. What are we talking about yourself stupid? It's not even about that. It's about hey I've gotta get this child healthy again. I've gotta get this child the help that she needs to get through school or whatever and this is what we're doing we're just trying to get pleasant. Sounds like you're doing this what we're doing and it'd be great if we didn't have to do that for ourselves by ourselves. All what it is what it is. It is what it is absolutely regards. I kept saying I wasn't gonNA keep talking talking sometimes. You just gotTa get it all out sometimes. Just gotTa get it all out and so it's a hot button issue for me. It is for me because I really was taken aback. When when I received the question Indian I looked at the profile and I was like Oh okay and so yeah but let's be afraid of ruffling feathers inning. Yeah we're we`re. We're not armed raid. Yeah we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA HAVE WE'RE GONNA we're GonNa have the hard conversations and we're GONNA continue to show up in this space out for our sisters that yes I love and support and it is a hope and a prayer. The other people join us in this room and he don't want to join in the movement. Just remind silent to stay silent if you don't WanNa be a part of it. Don't try to disrupt what we have here. Just remain silent. Stand your little corner which hit buried in the sand and we're gonNA keep doing what we're doing tells me a lot. It says a lot. It speaks during August tells me exactly where you stand where you do need to know that Except he needs but at the end of the day. The space will be here. It is going to continue to grow. Nadan are going to continue to show up in our listeners to union and all who are listening natty and I are here for you. We support you wholeheartedly. We support your journey. We support your healing. We support you wherever you need us. So don't be afraid to reach out this base angle and nowhere. We hit a state and we are not to be silent while we're here. We're not going to allow anybody to silence us. Those who look like us those who don't we will not be silenced and about that and so I think there's a great not doin unless you have some You Want. She wants to amber. We're GONNA we're we're here. Yeah I do want to add a tiny little bit when I say would save black women. I also mean black women who are biracial. Because I am a mom of Biracial kids. Assalaam was was light skin. I mean she wasn't white passing her but she was. She was light skin. And when I say black women I also mean black women who are who are white passing. Because there's a lot of healing that we have to do color ro do that. None of those women are in the space ask Selanne. I don't want my kids going into adulthood feeling like well. There's really no place for me because to not BRAC enough from not white enough right. Exactly I don't ever want them feel lack enough and they don't long if you had a black female we don't you. I mean I don't mean like our original dollar now but yeah low know these other people know anyway. I know you're not talking about that. We identify truly truly as a black female. Yeah we're not sound by Rachel Anyway episode. And we'd have we got. We're going to have that conversation. Yes but so anyway. So yeah. That's what we wanted to talk about today because we want everybody to understand Our goal here is not to exclude anyone but is to love and support. Those people like Natalie say who are be most vulnerable d most marginalized. And no matter what you think about it. That is African American female in the story. So yeah I think we have our closing remarks. We're going to get out of here. We have one more episode coming up in season two. Then we're gonNA take a little break and we're GONNA come back with even more goodness in season three follow us on instagram twitter facebook. Dot Com Allah goodness and continue messages. 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Electrum Radio Episode 1  Durb Morrison

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Electrum Radio Episode 1 Durb Morrison

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The best twenty bucks you'll ever spent for more information or check out the full range of product. It's visit WWW dot electric supply dot com. And if you use code electron radio at checkout, you can save ten percent off your first order when you sign up and establish an account online. Today's guest is a good friend of mine fellow veteran artists owner of red tree tattoo gallery in Columbus. Ohio owner of true tattoo supply owner of health city tattoo festival. This guy has done it all and he continues to do even more. He's an excellent businessman. He's a definite leader in the tattoo community, the one and only dirt Morrison. He ready to amplify your happiness relationships and finances than it's time to turn up the dial and get ready to live with more passion and experience more freedom with your host, romps Mead. Welcome to electron radio where we talked to business owners of all levels of success working hard to make their dreams a reality. We'll talk about their patches their failures and success stories to help you on your path to achieving your dreams. Electro radio begins now. All right Dir. What's up, man? How have you been happy new year? Get Ron, how're you? Doing buddy gets already off too crazy pays in two thousand eighteen already getting ready for the upcoming hell city tattoo fest here in Ohio. So it's pretty much doing with my new year. So far doing man. I'm good, dude. Just busy, and I know you're busy too. So I do want to thank you for taking some time out of your busy schedule. And joining me here for the version person episode of electron radio. It's a big deal to have you as a guest. So thank you. I'm really stoked actually be on your for your first episode two. I know you've been talking about doing this for a while. And watching you get everything ready and getting the studio ready. It seems like seems like you're just ready to take off with announcements. Awesome. They'll try, and you know, it's going to be the big focus for two thousand nineteen with Elektra me knows just doing the podcast and just talking to a bunch of our friends and just sharing people's experiences with the rest of the world, you know, and trying to get access to people that normally people don't have access to. So that's the whole. Yeah. That's great. I think when tattoo or when you get into tattooing, I don't think he. You just love TAC. You'll love Arte tattooing you love the camaraderie with the other artists in connection with your clients and things like that. And I think that a lot of people start out tattooing really thinking of the business and tattooing at all you're just thinking of tattooing as you evolve and you tattoo for ten to twenty years. I'm twenty nine years now. So I've always not right at the beginning of my career, but you know, probably like an of five to eight years into my career getting an interest in the business side of tattooing as well. You know, looking at the way other people were doing business attend to. And that some of the ideas, I had ways that I thought would be a weight improve on some things. So I never thought I would I guess when I got into tattooing be down like the business avenue with tattooing. I am nowadays, you know. But it is really nice. I enjoy it. I like talking to people about it. Like, you said a lot of people do have business questions about tattooing. And for me. It's like, you know, how how would the conventions nowadays with the products back in the day? It was all about Howard how to run studios and how to keep art. It is now to treat them. So I think me over the years do a business I've evolved into different avenues of business at I never even thought I'd even touch on. You know, I was just a tattoo when it started, you know, number tattoo arena that businessman in entrepreneur all that stuff. So I feel like right where I should be to twenty nine years into tattooing. You know, I feel really fairly good where I'm at. And I feel like I'm giving back. So one of my approaches with my businesses and things that have done within my businesses are definite an innovative approach. Very unique approach to bring something new to the table, and it kind of changed too because at the end of the day like with you know, with hell city tattoo fest. That's changed. A lot of the ways that conventions ran viewed and displayed. So at the end of the day all this business of doing. You know, it's it's there to change that to for for the better, you know? So when I log on you know, tend to exchange somewhat absolutely absolutely see said about eight years in is when you kind of started free the business side of the town. Yes. Far as other, you know, like other businesses within tattooing, not not just say opening up a studio. I open up. My I had to studio back in nineteen ninety four. It was called stained skin here in Columbus, Ohio. You know? Yeah. And just that avenue right there kind of you know, I was interested in running a really good tattoo shop in promoting it and have a good artist. So the quality my business mind has always been there, you know. But as I went on, you know, the the studio got belt in interested in doing a convention, then I started getting into like hell city, and you know, the convention circuit and stuff like that. So that's kind of where my true business. I think began so so it all started with hell city that was your first business venture outside of actually tattoo. Yeah. Exactly outside of this. Owning a studio me personally tattooing to give essentially like a product back to people, you know, to give them this branded convention. It has a different flavor a different view. And you know, that that was where I felt like I'd been shared into of businessman. Sure. Sure. So so what sparked your interest in awning to run a convention where you obviously traveling and doing shows yourself artists before that? Yep. Yeah. You know, I always had an interesting case when I started tattoo professionally I got do studio right out of high school. So I was like eighteen years old when I start working for a gentleman named Tim Miller, and he took me to what was it easy riders Tajik eventually back in the day, man. And I had never been exposed anything like that. You know? So young punk kid got into tattooing didn't realize I guess how fast tattoo community was a crowd and all that. So ten took me to this easy riders convention, and I just loved it. I met a lot of really really cool people back then it was doing some fun tattoos and get a little bit recognition out of it. So that's what started by my interest in conventions. I later on moved out to California with one of my buddies deemed kind on ninety one or ninety two and we kept hitting conventions. So we moved out to California. We're flying links, Chicago, tattoo tours and stuff like that. So I guess from doing so many conventions over the years, you know, the younger kid before even dove into doing health city is I was looking at him, and I was going, okay. Ten tunes of visual business. Everything should be displayed properly Rivera artistic looking and to tell you the truth. I wasn't impressed with a lot of the shows that were going on back, then because you know, if you have a main stage, and you want your crowded to be impressed potatoing such a visual art. I think your stage visual she'll pleasing to the ice should be our tissues and all that. So those are things when we started doing hell city, I guess when I start doing health city. It was it wasn't to. Correct wrongs. And I sold other conventions. It was just to do a convention right to to give different emphasis at tension to like the artists and visually. How show look and how fell things like that? So that's really what sport interested do hell cities. I wanna do quality show here in Columbus didn't have any real equality tattoo conventions or anything, so maybe one of the I guess godfathers. Of columbus. Ohio to a now. I thought that was the avenue. I wanted to go down into bring a nice the run busy convention to Columbus, Ohio blossomed. Yeah. Now now all these years later, you have one of the top shows in the world, even so you crazy have a waiting list that's miles long of artists that are trying to get into do your shows. You know, so that's also. There's an art to to all that to even the the internal workings of the, you know, yes. As trying to find a good artist and accommodate everybody in bring out good acts. Good competitions in innovate the way. Things are done to you know, you with our tattoo competitions hell city over the years. We developed a computer system for judging you know, and that that revolutionized things there too because it was a more thorough way of judging catchy competition. So just aspects like that within hell city that we've we've tried different. Yeah. Yeah. I actually judged that your show last year and use that system. So that was really, yeah. That's really state of the art. I'd never experienced judging system like that. And it was really it was a real fair way to judge. You know, I think in the lot of these shows, it's really. It's really biased. I think a lot of times, you know, and on the judges are up there and its they're buddies coming up and getting their tattoos judge, and you have a tendency to want to lean one way or another. But yeah that system that you never takes that element out of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely it it's very transparent too. So like, you see, you know, 'cause you judge on different aspects of the tattoos. It's not just one through ten right? It's like you judge line work color, solidity composition. Contrast, whatever aspects of his category. So, and that's know like I said we that we try to do differently. And I think it's been recognized by the artists, you know, as being like a more fair when just when somebody sees you put up that energy to change shit. You know, they can't you can't help but be successful with it. So it's been a really good judging system over the years for sure for sure will attention to details notch. You know? I just I think. I think I mentioned he wants before, you know, just just the level of detail that you put into your shows and right when you walk in the front doors, you know, it's just it's different than any show. You've ever been to before. And. Yeah. And you know, right away that you're just dealing with top notch franchise right there. Yeah. It's got a different flavor. And that's exactly what I was going for. I wanted to get people really good experience, you know, and having remembered I think we spoil a lot of people that go to other shows and they're like, oh, man. Thing though. That's a good thing to yours. Sure. In my whole thing is like, you know, I've had other convention big-name adventure promoters, come to hell city just to pick my brain just to walk around. See how we're doing things that way they can apply to their shows. And I like that, you know, I'm not secretive about stuff, you know, at all. So I like one of the promoters com. They check out what we're doing, you know, and it changes like I said if it changes tend to conventions worldwide mission accomplished. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's I think it's important to note. You know, I think to me from the outside looking in. I think one of the major differences between hell city and some of the other shows is just that. You're still connected to the art. You have a passion for the industry. I think I think a lot of the other shows I don't want to say they don't care about that element. Because I don't think that's the right thing to say. But there's definitely a different agenda with a lot of the shows out there. Just and that's what I noticed. Two. That's when I started doing city that is one of the things I noticed, you know, is is this people not going above and beyond yet. I got a convention. That's cool. No out how hard he worked for your convention. That's what's impressive to me right now. And like, you said, we it is it's a lot of work, man. It's a work of people knew if somebody showed me for like the year of me, organizing, the conventions fun crazy. I've seen other people to dive into to starting to do conventions. And I'm not joking man nine times out of ten. I get messages problem that are like dude, I got a whole new respect for you, bro. Well, yeah. For sure if they just follow you on Instagram and watch your stories, they'll get a piece of the pie. I mean, you're always constantly posted on your stories. Every time you do. So. Yeah, I like that, you know, it's what you bring that up because a lot of friends manual, he's Instagram and this and that will I get one I enjoyed it to people watching. It are joining it and three I could show link all this little stuff that you might not even know about that we do internally that is different that it was pointed out to you might not notice. So. Yeah. Like social huge holidays, man. And I utilize it, you know, four hell city and all my businesses. You know, a lot of work too on top of on top of a lot of work. The social networking is a lot of work as well. But yeah. And and just to point out you are managing your own Instagram accounts, and everything you're still doing all that stuff yourself. Yes. I do. I I managed my personal Instagram account is all me hell city is me and another friend of mine actually, head had my crew Brian mic give and then like the hell city Heidi's buddy might Josh. Out with but I could tribute to all the pages as well. Tru tubes like me and Brian both do post, so yeah, they're active. You know? I am definitely hands on all my businesses still, you know, of course, that need help. I need a good crew to to make up for the gaps that I can't fill stuff like that. So, but that's a fulltime job. Like, I actually had to pay people to help keep up with all the social networking and Facebook and stuff like that. But no, I have a very hands on a lot of times. People emailed me or message me try to write them back. You know in it is MI actually right back. So yes, I try to stay connected with everybody. Like, you said with a convention to try to stay connected with the artists, you know? So it's a winning formula. Yeah. Yeah. So so let's fast forward a little bit. Right. So now, you have you have to shows you have the Columbus show. Now, you have branched out and you're doing Phoenix as well. Yeah. We started Phoenix in two thousand eight believe. Yeah. Yep. Do you have plans to add any more? I thought you were talking about doing Vegas show. Or something for a minute. We had mentioned bagasse, but to be with the it's pretty difficult to do a show Vegas will the union stuff. And you know, people come there to party and stuff like that. We just did the coalition event there. Yeah. Yeah. Fun. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I actually wanted to ask you about that, you know. And what what can you tell us about the coalition? You know, I I know it was a big show. But there's there's obviously things with that. What the coalition is. And what that stands for? And. Yeah. Coalition event and all the the convention out in Vegas. The I two days was just pretty much trade show. So it was all anybody would think supplies innovative products. You know? So the first two days were just bending, you know, just give me a chance to meet some of the people that own the supply companies and actually carry my products and things like that those people that opportunity look at some of our other products that were on the splayed. So I think it was one of the first time an action, I could trade show for thanks supply companies and stuff, you know, and then smack right there at bagasse. It was an awesome time in and then so we did two days of that made a lot of good connections. Good sales and stuff like that. And then the other two days for tattooing. So I knew out of my one out of the truth booth. Now went in in shared a booth Carter more on my James and everybody well tattooed together for two days. So it was fun. It was different. You know, Vegas is always good time. But it was different start out with like the trade show, and then going right into the tattooing and stuff, but the idea behind the coalition that wants to bring people together to for kind of awareness about inks, and, you know, product manufacturing, and some of the regulations are going to be coming our way as the as the industry grows. Yeah. Tension as gets more regulation. So if the chance for us to one to to actually become I guess more wear of that's the reality. What's going on with tattooing, and innings and waters, and soaps and everything after care products is that it's going to be getting more regulated. And if we don't come together to help properly regulated to keep it within our grass as far as tattoo industry in tattooist, and all that some of these corporate companies like Lori Al or maybe lean or whatever gonna come in. You know from Winston got the FDA approval for cosmetics this and that so it'd be easy for them to come in. And you know, kind of make an impact in our in our industry and take it. Away from the people that eat breathe bleed doing. Yeah. For sure I think about yeah. I think it's important to to support in the coalition, and you know, initiatives like this that are, you know, basically trying to promote a safer industry in general. You know, just it's a scary world out there. You know, I being on the supply side, I deal with a lot of people, and I go into a lot of shops. And I see a lot of things that literally make you cringe. Sometimes, you know, you're like man, I can't believe that this is even happening today, you know, and. Man, it's bound to the regulation to like you said like those states in those counties and all that stuff. It's funny because I was on the panel talking about regulation and safety and kind of with the coalition. I was on the panel of artists here and now nine thousand nine hundred eighty in Ohio that set the current now, Columbus, Ohio aboard health laws and stuff like that. Before that. There was no regulation. Yeah. Yeah. Your grandma could open tattoo shop. Yeah. So we all came together kind of kind of what's going on with the coalition in the products in. The naked stuff is that we had to come together. Because the city was going to regulate us by people that don't know anything about the practice tend to attend to the procedures. I cross contamination point. So when once we said, the the laws in eight sent people onto inspect is Spector's. Didn't even know the name of the quick, but they were there inspect, you know. So part of our job just like the coalition was to educate aboard a house in the proper things to look forward, you know, educate them with the names of the equipment that they were you know, because the one lady came in. She's like damn why this bubbling things. You mean an altar sonic? She's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sonic. And I was like you mean, you don't know the names of the items here here inspect belong, you know? Well, so it's kind of like that. I go okay lady. You know, I'm going to teach some stuff, and I kind of sat what they're an educator. So the coalition is kind of in that same direction where they have to educate, you know, the FDA as far as pigments and what's in owned and how they're manufactured and things like that. You know, Mario and Brian and Tramper dune mazing job bringing everybody together and bring awareness to this, you know, within our own industry going. Hey, now's the time. All gets taken over. We'll get on board with this. Yeah. So I was really good chance. I had a chance to you'll be on the panel the big panel that was kind of a more of a private panel. But it was a lot of insiders and suppliers and stuff like that. So I think it's going to be good. It's going to be an uphill battle. Definitely. But now's the time in Morio. Like, I said Morio and tramp and everybody's they're doing a great job of Brington four five again, another meeting coming up really soon. Actually. Yes. I thought they were meet like once a month or something like are even twice a month there for a little while, you know, what the frequencies, but at least once a month they were meeting. Yeah. Yeah. No, probably go on until the regulation said everything's, you know, solidified and all that. So it's good. You need this stuff. You know, he needs somebody on the inside. Orioles trainer doing definitely. Yeah. And I know a lot of artists are vocally against things like that. But I think, you know, it's really important for people like us to get out there and talk to people and really make them understand what the objective is. You know, I think when people hear regulation, they think they automatically put their defenses up, and they like, our we're not going to be regulated, you know, this tattooing. We're not supposed to be regulated. This is a it's an underground industry. You know, this is becoming recognized as a surgical procedure. Yeah. In that the more attention to gets put on it and more shops at open in the more people are getting tattooed. It's it's being viewed at by the FDA everybody has it's a surgical procedure. You know? So that's there. I mean, there's scary shit going down, you know, and I'm not I'm not the one to to get fact to hold this. But like even the needles. The needles are considered our could now they're not right now, but they could be considered as a surgical instrument for and you can't control that instrumentalists. You have a doctor's degree or something, you know. So that's a reality. All any, and you know, this stuff going on in Europe for years already. I mean, they've been regulating in Europe for years. Oh, I mean, they've even banned certain products from being sold over there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I can't disagree with some of that either. When something grows quickly. You know, that does need to be a little bit regulation for the if the artists and the clients and things like that. You know, I don't think that the regulations need to be made by people uneducated people that don't understand the process. I think I think it's like you said we have to educate them, and they have to internet, you Kate us because there's a lot of things that we also don't know, you know, as far as manufacturing practices, you know, like over in Europe, they have to use that good manufacturing, practices and their cosmetic products. And it all has to go through these stringent qualifications to be to be able to be marketed and sold over there. They're very conscious about the safety of the people over there. So yeah. And you know, what I mean as much as that sucks from here. Ten to bitch about it like regulation now, I think it's good. It's a natural progression of what's going to happen. You know, with the medical side of tattooing and all medical side is the stuff that we're putting into people's skin. Yeah. It protects us, right? If it protects us if we're using safe product. We're not going to have to worry about a client coming back and trying to sue us for you know, exactly on infection. They got because of a product that we bought from someone that wasn't manufacturing a product correctly. Yeah. And you know what? I mean, it's. I think it's smart tavern relation. Here's the thing. It's like with tattooing. Let's walk down an average Streep what other shop or business does what we do to people. What we fucking amazing. It's fascinating. You know, we put people in pain. Make fucking off mart on them. Expect them to sit still and pay us. A bias. Let's let's go down in like what other hands on besides let's say, it massage therapist barber which puts their hands on you. If is kind of changes you a barber. They're not really cut me open. Make any believe, no off therapists note. What else I mean, you know, like facial pedicures things like that? What we do is very unique. That's what I'm getting at his tattoos such and it's not just such unique artform for for people. But it's a unique business within every other business on any street. You know, because you physically touch the buddy, you know, like, I said put him in pain. Give them a tattoo on that lasts for life haircuts. Gonna grow out that you're going to go back to Sasha your Saggio, but we do something so permanent people. It's just such a unique. Business that you know, unfortunately, it's inevitable to get regulated. Absolutely. So so let's go back to the business side. You know, you had a health city. So when when did TRU tubes start blossoming in and, you know, your desire to start innovating products more you're more, you're more along the ergonomic side. You know, at least that's what I've always known you for products that are more geared towards ergonomics and comfort. You know? Yeah. So so what sparked that whole interest? I definitely got with the true tattoo. Proxy definitely got a direction that got started with an attention and stuff like that got into it, man. Mainly I saw the industry going disposable. You know, all the twos are going to suppose bull. There's everything's going. Disposable. So everybody started working with plastic tubes as before rotaries became really really president again. But every he's working with like, plastic tubes. And I wanted to work disposal. Sick of scrubbing tubes. You know, what I saw kind of like going in the the disposable route. So I was being old score. Try tend to with some plastic to tubes and stuff like that with a coil machine is a machine was running the same. It would actually like the friction from the medal on on the plastic tip was just too much slow the machine down. So I was waiting for at least a year. And I was like what is somebody who gotta develop like a tube. It's like a disposable to but runs like a steel tube. That doesn't slow slowdown as all the vibration, friction. So I dunno Magister. I Frankenstein started Frankenstein's stuff out my garage with the very first true to as about ten years ago. Now, start Franken, Stein and stuff. So I was like cutting tips off, you know, solid tips off plastic tubes. And then he'd Sega just metal tips for other tubes into that one to create convenient like Frankenstein, and I noticed no shit. I actually noticed that they ran even just. Prototypes. And I was making we're running faster and smoother than the plastic tip tubes. You know, so that kind of just that I guess that need for me to go disposable and the calling. They'll be like all right. Nobody's going to do this. Let me start trying to formulate something here. So that that's what it spun the first they originally true to regional steel tip disposable tattoo. You know? And then I got into the we did Argo squish, which you can move around the grips and stuff like that that that's awesome steel tip tube. And then. I guess what really put us on the map after that. Like, those did definitely be like dance genius simple design genius. So then we came out with and we're the first people to ever do memory foam covering tattooing on this. Call true grips, and so I came out of that product next and his slid over top of the regional, they Reginald true tube and kind of those two products kind of gave life to each other so sales. That's what things guy kinda like, I guess lot sweeter with business and stuff with the supplies is at a man I had to fuck it and sour before. Sweet. Because the first year doing the the TRU tubes. I had a manufacturer that was horrible. Equality was bad. Some little walls were cut like one side. While be thin won't be thick the end of the MAG shade or like angled. So the needles came out flat. You know, just kind of a nightmare to be honest with you for the first year. So then after I switched over manufacturers and came out with troops. Then things got a lot lot better. You know that was probably about nine years ago. We count the first grip and then gone on see the whole point would be doing products is is to be kind of you need to bring something new to the table. That's going to change doing just like memory foam like for amber memory foam group covers will probably be a part of tattooing. You know, disposable twos. Whether then when I'm here dead or whatever like hundred years from now in my mind, hopefully steel tip disposable to they'll still be part attend tooling. Sure. So I try to do these things where I don't want to regurgitate what people are doing. I don't want to look at that guy. Be like I want that. Now what you know, my idea. Right. Also, I all these products that have done with tattoo supply have been somewhat unique, which I think, you know, like, you said you noticed, and I think a lot of the industry notice that we're have a different flavor just like with L city tree tubes. And true tattoo supply are were manufactured of our products that we've invented that. We've brought in to and you know, and it's gonna join the hell out of man, I really liked it especially being an older tattoo or now and. You know, how to my studio my artist work with the stuff. And now we're in sixty supply companies around the world. All righty of our product. So so jeopardy baby. Man, you know, and I feel like I've kept the integrity for what I was trying to do when I got into it. And yeah, I will working on new stuff right now. They were getting we've got dining grip disposables coming out the next the next three weeks. And then I'm gonna not gonna talk too much about trae. But the next thing is going to be true trade is going to be a whole new system for tattooing with some of our other products like Armas extensions and things like that too. So that's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun coming out with new products CNN artists love of work with them and nine feels like I don't give them back to tend to just feels like you accomplished something, you know. Yeah. Exactly, you know, that feeling with electric supply and all that you got a great quality products. And you guys are different doing your own thing, and the L that's what we strive for that we go down these business avenues with with supplies and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, going going back to a hair to touch. On something that you talked about sure you said, you're in sixty eight supply companies worldwide now, so how I think probably one of the things that listeners are going to be most interested in learning is, you know, how do you take? You know, how does how does an average tattoo artists that isn't like out there, and doesn't know a lot of people. You know, how they have a great idea for a great product. They built a prototype. They've been using it in their shop for a year. It's tried and it's test it, and they know it's a winner. You'll how do they get that from conception to the point where there in sixty eight suppliers worldwide. You know, how does that happen one and takes a really good team? You know, because I personally like by managers, and all that of hell, we branch out and reach out to other suppliers take care of them when they they they approach us to carry our products and stuff like that. It's something I've been doing recently because there are like, you know, not trying to my own horn. But when I came out with the original true too. I noticed the spark the curiosity. Some of the tours at I know wanting to do products like since then everybody's trying to do like their own unique product, which is fucking awesome. I love it. But it sparked a curiosity with a lot of tattoo artists. I think when I started doing so it'll be products, and they were different. And actually the dislike another machine it wasn't just something you've already seen. I was coming out with the different shit. So nowadays what's going on? It's funny because I get a lot of people that approach me to tell me their idea to want pick my brain to put them in the right direction because I know I've gone through thick and thin had to sour sweet. And all that stuff. I've worked a lot issues. I get quality may factoring. I'm now educated educated myself on a lot of plastic injection, molding steel milling to variety of things. So what I'm doing nowadays is when I got a little overwhelming. But I had a lot of a lot of people have product ideas that wanted to sit with me. So when I do now is I actually charged. People for consultation. And it's my normal hourly rate for ten to him. But these these artists could come and sit with me and bring these prototypes. And talk to me whether or not it's worth their time. And what they're looking into getting into and how much this is. And I try to educate people with their products, some people even shoot down. You know, there's a lot of people with ally d is nowadays and not all of them are are going to be successful, man. You know? So when I sit with these people by charging by the hour Sisto one hour minimum start with and then they give me their spiel they show their product. I from what I found I usually improve on their product, or I show them a whole different method with their product or different way to go out it or fix this. Or at that, you know, and then also with that, you know, I'll go on to help them if they want to, you know, some information on manufacturing give them, you know, the direction on how to get their product manufactured and stuff like that too. So, but it's not every product. It's only chronics that that I feel would be beneficial for you know, the time. You know, the tattoo distri sure there's one guy that came to me, and he had like it was a briefcase but had a light box on the top of it or your tattoos stuff goes in it. And then you got your light box on top. And I'm like that's one of the ones I shut 'cause I'm like one like lightboxes. Now, you've got has every traveled their, ipads as lightboxes nowadays, you know, but before that kid went and spent two thousand dollars on a mold, and then another fifty thousand next thing, you know, he's in deaf or product that I still wouldn't resale quickly enough to make his money back. So I do shoot out people, you know, in some of their ideas. But that's kind of where I'm at. Now. It definitely sparked a lot of curiosity to for products. I'm seeing a lot of my friends like longtime friends that have been in the industry with like everybody's got the product nowadays. You know? It's awesome. I think it's like I say, it's it's the age of reinvention within ten doing right now. Sure. Sure. That's where we're at. It's an its renaissance definitely. But it's also from from an internal. The industry the product side. It's it's the age of reinvention people reinvent the machines in the rotaries, pigments, the tubes. Everything's getting reinvented, you know, and refining essentially, so the age of of reinvention heart now because I'm on Narcan on the forefront. Lot of the products and stuff like that too. So I look at back. I've really enjoyed the moment. I've been part attended to make the the the years as far as I saw tattooing own. It was still kind of by Grayson shunned and retire convicts and stuff like that to see it becoming more popular magazines, getting bigger than Nexia notes on TV, you know. And then it blew. It beloved so and now we're seeing major we convention, you know, all that stuff. So it's been exciting to see all these stages because I don't know where we go from here, man. Keep going up, man. That's that's the only direction to go. Like, what's the next? Big thing. Nobody knows somebody will figure it out. Probably be you. Yeah for yes. Two machine. Yeah. Dude. So tell me, you know, in the whole course of health city and true to you know, let's talk about some of the pitfalls. You know, what what were some of the mistakes that you made and lessons that you. Learn the hard way, and you know, it was ever a time. When you were like, oh, this is just too much. I don't this is way more than what I thought it was going to be. Yeah. I would say I mean, definitely one of the hardest things I've done, and I think it was because I had a really bad manufactured. It was kind of when I first came out in the first true tube to quality for that. I may factor that was embarrassing because I had you know, big name within tattooing Derg releases a product quality issues. Is you're always going to have some issues anytime you try to make big changes. You know, you're you're going to have some kind of obstacle to to climb to get over when doing it. So. What's kinda can't that try to get one one specific quote? All things. Excellent. Are as difficult as they are rare. You know in in. I've definitely had the difficult. You know to come up with such a rare product or whatever. I don't know. Let's like health city. Let's just go through different businesses. What let's go back to running a tattoo studio. First of all the amount of shit. You have to go through to run a tattoo studio to learn how to run it and manage other artists so many ups and downs with that, you know. I don't know I sold by by one shop stain skin. I started in nineteen Ninety-four sold. It. I saw two mainly just focus on health city more. And I wanted to tend to privately was burnt out on the street shop. You know? So I got myself really busy with the street shop, and then I wanted to do healthy, I was actually doing doing city more than doing running a shot everyday and stuff like that. Because I felt city was affecting not just the five to ten clients that came in my doors in it. I was affected the industry the community and thousands of people in time, you know, people's careers and stuff like that. So I'd have a point between trying to do so much that I had to let go something literally too much played with the shop and hell city and everything. So I sold my shop shit over ten years ago to gentleman here in Columbus. And to be honest with you for like, four months, waking up in the middle of the night kind of upset that I sold my shop, you know. Yeah. And looking back. I don't think it was a mistake at all. I think it was a needed to focus on health city and take it words at now. Yeah. It's one of those moments. You know, because it's been such a big part of your life for so long. You know? Yeah. So that would be definitely one of the downfalls. And I think I had it was getting rid of one thing for the love of another. But that also blossoms into things L city. I mean el-sayed he's always a learning curve or your we try to apply different things every year. One of the things I've learned about how city don't fly everybody in and give a function room at once, you know, once a room because people will if you let people chew they'll fucking knowing the whole thing, you know, so hell city just little learning curves ways to handle the public weighs heavily artists things like that. Tru tubes? You know, at the beginning of that was very stressful and to tell you that affected a lot of mites. Life and relationship going to put me in a funk for the first year. Yeah. It's kind of like an angry funk and think may I my retirement account, but into my first product things like that. And then I got that product firstly factor in the quality was poor. So that was a result of me going into something blind and not Kate myself. You know, so I wanted to maybe factor product, I didn't know the language of maybe factoring of anything. So that the first batch of tubes that got the first year or two that I got were had a lot of issues out, stuffing quality control slips, and what will replace anything if you quality issues, and this and that so I think that was one of my biggest mistakes because if I honestly if I can tell you one of the hardest things done with my career, it was starting up like TRU tubes and true groups and stuff like that outside at all this shit. I've done I've done a big conditions the big studios, and this and that. Doing products was was definitely the hardest thing to to get into because of lack of education with it. When I got into it. Sure. Yes. I remember talking to you one time in new or telling me about a one time in particular where you had lost a considerable amount of money on bad problem. Yeah. About hundred grand. Efforts manufacturer, you know, so. I had I had to regroup men's like literally had to be even before I approached another manufacturer. I studied, you know, plastic injection molding. I studied two types of plastics. What's in the steel that was an all tips? And why we wanted three oh four now three sixteen L and things like that like so that when I reproached people, you know, maybe factors my next manufacturer, which wasn't even tattoo manufacturer. I deal with a tool manufacturer, they have no vested interest in tattooing. You know, things like that. So I was able to approach this second innings actually with some education. And that is like a dummy, you know, so ever to be honest with the ever since I did that lifespan amazing. You know, because I got the products that I want the qualities air the artists are happy with the quality. And, but that's that's with all those businesses and everything if you don't educate yourself, you're going to have a tough time on anything, especially with to Iraq. Like, like, we all know it to catch you or when you hear like, I don't want, you know, and with all due respect when you hear like a young new tech to artists in ear talk. And some of the stuff you hear, you know, they're not educated as educated as you can get you been into for two for so long. You know? Like, an educated artists, or whatever, you know, you get it. And I think that the manufacturers knew that to me is this guy to note the fuck he's talking about. And I think she'd probably look for that. You know, that's like this is an easy paycheck for us. You know, we can sell him the shit. Nobody's he's not gonna know any different essentially, I was like a victim of it. You know, I really victim. But like when you take my money, and you know, that you're sending me kind of call it be issues. You know? Oh, well, it's like you say, well, it's like you said it's kind of more of being a victim of yourself. You know because you're not do the due diligence to educate yourself properly. And I think I think my personal perspective. I see that a lot just like you said when you're talking about the guy with the briefcase in the light table, you know, that's like when you come out with a product like that he really have to do a fair amount of market research. You have to you have to pull people you need to take a prototype to show and asked people, you know, this is something that you would be into in. You know? You can't get yourself into a situation that doesn't thing. Like when I'm talking to these kids nowadays with their their their product ideas. I don't want them to get in a situation. You know, I want them to do. Good. And that's what I'm there for them. Like watching this or I'll be realistic with them. Like, that's not gonna work. Don't put you know, fifty thousand dollars into that take eight years Selva. Yeah. Yeah. He's yes for sure you don't wanna get fifty thousand dollars deep something and find out. It's not gonna work you're screwed then. Yeah. So, unfortunately, I didn't have anybody. I guess holding my hand, you know, when I am when I started doing TRU tubes. I did have some hope tramp I actually from eternal. He's like a father to be over the years and stuff, and he he actually invested in some of my products, you know, after I got my shit, right? After the manufacturer was quality in packagings quality in everything. He he invested in her go squish some colored. You know, we call it a green and yellow do you remember those? I do remember those vaguely. Yeah. Yeah. We we call it the green slime IRS. And then we call the yellow and stingers they were like, ergo squish. Yeah. 'em from eternal vested. In those bring those two to reality and stuff like that too. So. But yeah, I think really educating yourself so that you don't waste your time. And your money would business is used even with tattooing running a shop, the typical shop owner, if you're not educated on where to advertise in how to budget your money, and you know, what was really needed for a shop like your ass or you'll just be struggling to pay your bills and you'll make two thousand bucks a month. You know, or you could advocate yourself go and go about wisely. You know, that's that's a key for success. And one of the other case for success to is to not grow to too quickly. One of the number one failures of business is when it grows too fast. And that's something. I've been adamant about two is like none of that stuff has come overnight. I didn't do hell city in an apply all the things that are going on with it. Now, it's like the very first year. You know, I it's slow method of being successful. When you businesses and throw it all. Eggs in one basket, really quick. You know, isn't the best thing to so slow strides. But very educated calculated strides are that that's what's gonna lead to your success to not like losing your house losing a bunch of money. And when that happens it just becomes stressful. You know, it affects you affects your family people around you things like that. So if I could tell people, you know, with all this stuff is to to educate in into go about things, slowly, smartly. Yeah. That's definitely a top piece of advice. I would I would definitely give people the same advice. I've had to learn now on the hard way myself 'cause trying to too much at one time. Or, you know, I just think you always see you always see the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and what you can have, you know, down the road and more. Of course, you don't want it to take ten years to get there. You want to get there tomorrow? So everybody wants his to Greenwich -cation. Yeah. For sure and patience is a hard hard trait to master for sure, you know, especially when it comes to things like that. So. Think that's an excellent piece of advice to give people because you're right. That's a quick way formula. Yeah. I try to keep that formula like nowadays with TRU tubes protectors point, I released one product at a time as it. You know, I don't I'm not working on five products at the time because I went out one product to be the best. It could be right. You know? Yeah. Absolutely. So another thing, you know, that plagues business owners, you know, is just the countless hours of work that you have to put in you know, how how do you? How do you balance work and life? I know you're you're heavy in the gym doing do jitsu ally. You're running TRU tubes. You're still tattooing at sometime in it. And then, you know, how do you how do you balance? All that. How do you keep a fair balance between everything keep the wife happy and all that good stuff? Yeah. I get that a lot like no shit. I get somebody like tons of people are like how do you do so much is they're baffled because I do a lot of hands in a lot of stuff. People are like hell fucks is going to do all this. You know, it's it's a careful balance. Man. It's it's definitely a lot of what I say personal discipline. You know, just overall personal. It's it's getting up and having motivation. It'd be like get going on this. In. It's taken care yourself along the way too. You know, so me balancing my businesses. I dedicate a certain amount of time each day to the business of whatever needs it. You know, I dedicate that time to having a good crew as I could do all this stuff to be honest with you, I would not be able to keep up with it. But I would not be able to to advance. Like, I like to do like, you need a ride to the, you know, the straight line and just keep going or you're gonna Mane's bring new shit. I think the Geneva good team to be able to take it in each next level. So art how it get stuff done to so much stuff down his amazing team. You gotta love the people that work for me. The I I take care of myself. I do work a lot to tell you truth. Never even though it's work. It does feel like we're because I haven't passion for what I do. I Pasha pretend to now haven't patron the business pageant my products. So never truly feels like work. You know, how it keep up with everything? They'll get take care of yourself. Make time for yourself every day. You know, you don't wanna burn out. How see so many people come into this to detach doing in the industry? Make a presence. Make a heavy presence Bom worked as off whatever. And then they did burn out. You don't see him anymore and any pop up like again, like eight ten years later, like where you been that just minima shop, you know. It's usually because they themselves out. They don't enjoy it anymore. Right. Right. Yeah. It's a healthy balance. Yeah. And in part of the health healthy balance would be like, I'm not tattooing his much nowadays. One tattooed, my spine handicap. Two. I started get into point when win so much business going on especially with like the hell city organizations cost of work. So does when I sat down the tattoo. I wasn't enjoying it. Like, I used to because my mind would be wondering or somebody like eight is an Email that just popped in about this. You know? So may I go, okay. You know, what I started becoming a little bit frustrated trying to make a tattoo on somebody just joy tattooing after all the business. So I realized that I had cut back on my tattooing because never ever ever in my life. Do I ever want to look at tattooing and be annoyed by or feel that is burdening anything? So now, I tend to attend to it a lot of shows like international show exit at conventions because it gets me away from like my studio my house all business shit. I'm just had to you know, what I never when I started backing off to a little bit mainly because my spine. I was the first thing. But to because I did not want to become burn out on it. I didn't want to become a victim of like working to fucking hard. Not not enjoying it. Or not have a passion for it. So now when I tattoo, I I'm not frustrated I make the other time for it's perfect. And I really enjoy it. Because it's kind of like, it's like this is what I love this world started these routes. You know? In take care of like, you mentioned the I do, you know, I I've already gone to jujitsu it's three hours to earning today, which flip back is killing me. And you know, I know Prego workout tonight this a little bit just a, you know, like an act of rest, I eat well nowadays as I'm getting a little bit older. I think I enjoy my sleep more. I used to only get like five or six hours of sleep at night for like twenty years. You know? So nowadays, I think is it's about taking care of myself. Now, we can take care of everybody around me too. Because if you don't take yourself, you can take care of your businesses and all the people around you working for you. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta get yourself in that. Right. Metal place. You know, and the only way you can do that. Is you take care of yourself? A lot of people get lazy tell you the truth. That's another to like mankind is generally lazy? The average person would rather feel comfortable sit on their couch and do nothing, you know. So it takes self-discipline to get up every day and grind. Oh, yeah. I'm sure for sure. Yeah. My my. Average day is I get up. This is no shit. Dude. I get up. I sit directly about a bed. Boom. You know, throw in life sweatpants, come down at make coffee. I think my coffee table to get right to work. I went on my laptop. And I started looking at all the communications emails, and maybe factoring stuff, you know. And then I stopped working for a second. I I'll take a shower make breakfast for myself, you know, and then go onto the next stage, but will take a lunch break for myself. But after you get off a work as when intolerance to like when you get done tattooing, you should do something for yourself rewards reward yourself, and that could be stretching that could be healthy dinner that could be going, Jim. It can be going. Fuck go. Nice skating cares. Anything you have to have a multi mindset, you know. And that's that's the key for longevity is take care of your body to take care of your mind, but tend to as well, you know, because that took it's stretchy that fuck out man when I teach a similar. Longevity the artist you've been there, you've taken it. Actually, it's a good one. So I hit on a lot of different points that you don't even think about part of it is the stress of matab tuber. We are full-time students. We go home. We do our homework because we have classic day. Our homework is doing are drawings doing research getting ready planning our tattoos for the next day. You know, our homework or class is going to make the tattoo the next day so being attend to or it's a lot of personal discipline? You know because you have to not just running business, but you have to get your drawings done. You get it's a people business as well. So you get communicate with your clients. You know, so I don't know. I think it's just a it's a careful balance of everything while still making time for yourself. You know, a lot of time to go straight from tattooing go, you know, throw a hamburger interface and sit back down onto our table. You ready? The next day, you know. So I think that's part of it is enjoying. You know, enjoying what you what you're doing this love what you do which all of us do tend to lean. And then just take care of yourself, mentally, physically which is hard because tattooing well mess your body up, man. Oh, yeah. Sure. You know? And and that's something else. That thing it's good to talk about that for a minute to because I know you're really big on just because of your own personal issues that you've had like you're talking with your spine. Yeah. The damage that you've done to yourself over the years. And now you've become pretty vocal in Oregon, and, you know, just safer tattoo in for people and trying to teach people proper posture, and no more like a do as I say, none as I've done it. Yeah. Exactly. I haven't done it. All right. You know, look back to educate the kids, but it's not gonna fix on back. You know? So I enjoy that too. Because the stuff that I'm dealing with is pretty serious to the truth. Like, my spine issue right now is getting slow paralysis in my left leg right now. It could spread to both my legs lower body could shut off from the herniation to thrash seven is where my injuries, which is a one percent injury for people have back pain back problems on within one one of a hundred people or one percent factor that had the type of spine injury that they have while. Let's get as he being only as young as you are, you know? Yeah. And it's you know, I think it's I think it's definitely from Ted to but other factors in life. That has you know agitated like, a group skateboarding was like kind of semi pro skater, the teenager toss jumping downstairs and all that shit that tattooing I was unaware that. I Ray told you posture sit up here when you're young saying that owner tattoo, you forget about everything else. You forget about yourself. You do everything that you have goes towards your client in that tattoo in. It means sacrificing a meal could food posture eyesight all this shit goes on to make an attempt to and you'll stay hunched over for six hours trying to get into tattooed finished. You only think about your body you will. But you don't give a shit because you're more into the tattoo. You know? So it's years of that type of thinking or just like stretch on done like install stay bent over this little time get this fucking tattoo, we bad ass. And then I'll and then I'll try to correct myself, then when you get up you're all locked up, and you're like. So I wish that that. I could go back like literally if I could go back. I would sit totally straight up. And I would not twist for my eyes have my ink like one hundred eighty degrees behind me. Which is why you develop the true arm arm rest extension in the trae. Yeah. Exactly. That prevents a lot of the twisting and stuff. But if I could go back, I would sit up, and I would stop twisting, and I would probably do a lot more back strengthening exercises and stretches over the years. But yeah, some of the stuff up doing like, you said they are gonna makes into disposal aspects and all that stuff. The things that I'm doing with my products are come from aspects that I'm dealing with the true extension like the true extension that brings you workstation right in front of you. So you don't to twist or anything like pretty much rain, your lab and detaches do your arm rest for than your palate is or your arm us now. So we're slowly turning the workstation or the armrest into workstation. You know? So I think it's important. I think artist health nowadays, it should be a big topic. I always said nowadays, I have always said this. But I said Matt like recently Bela Gatien, always like tattoo artist health, honestly, should always be part of a tattoo apprenticeship because if you get teach these apprentices when they're learning like, hey, kid. You're getting ready to kill your fucking back here for the next twenty thirty years. You're ready Ford or you can indicate you say, okay. This is the proper way to sit. This is the proper amount of time to tattooed before you wanna get up and get blood flowing through your legs. This is how far you want to twist this that you know, I think they should now be imparting because that is a part of education the health of the tattoo ours. But that should be a part of I think people's apprenticeship nowadays as it is a natural things going. Okay. You're gonna make a lot of bad ass tattoos. You're gonna use your body to hold you over to the center artists air your Kline. Chest or wherever you're tattooing. So teaching these people beforehand, I think would prevent a lot of, you know, artists injuries health issues in spine issues and stuff before they get too far. Because if you're not indicated about you don't think about it until it's too late via how often are you still doing your seminar? I've been doing it as much lately tell you truth. I did it once twice last year. Right. When it came out with it. It was doing it a lot this kind of backed off doing it so much. I wanna bring it out into like another line. I never charged forty man. That's why they have never done. It never charged seven because I just wanna teach people how to be better, you know, how to not be paying like me. So what I want to do next. I'd like to if any team is to actually make a full like video of it. Whether it's on YouTube for free for people to watch the go through derided stretches chapters and things like that. Even if I just put it out chapters. But that you know, that collectively come together kind of like, an all encompassing them. Even if people use it further apprenticeship in the future. Yeah. As could be used as an apprenticeship thing for people, you know, so but now I don't teach it as much probably taught it about twenty times. So far, I get a lot of people in this is this is no shit. I still get a lot of people that that message may they're like, hey, man. You're seminar really helped me, you know, I was out in this pain. It's gone away. Because changed this then. So I feel like like I said Michigan -ccomplish I feel like I'm making an impact of syllabus seasonal Sunday direction. I'm trying to go. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be super super beneficial. If you did something like that made that available on a video format or something online that people could go check out. I took the seminar with you're right. I I was there the one time I think we did that at the impact project, and and yeah, very interactive. You know, you get people out of their seats and get them stretching and she'll way to do things. And it's not just you up there talking. You know, what you actually showing people the right things to do and how to stretch properly. Yeah. That's what. It's funny because like during the seminar about an hour law, maybe a little bit more but halfway through seminar. Like, all right. You've all been sitting into chairs on over. Let's get up at stregic your back feels. Yeah. Just sitting there. Yeah. So it's kind of like the kinda like while you've been sitting there tattoo and for three hours. You only been sit with me for an hour. Any back type. Super good. Man. And I enjoy hearing the feedback this change stuff way people's you know, workstations are the posture things like that. So just wish I would have somebody teach me that long time ago. Yeah, totally man. So so where are you see where do you see tattooing in the next ten years? You know, what do you think the future tattooing looks like? Man. I mean, definitely good. You know tied to keep growing. It's gonna keep evolving and stuff like that ten years. I mean, it changed pretty drastically. With the last within the last ten years already. On the next ten years. We'll see like a lot of reinvention of equipment and stuff like that. We're gonna see a lot of regulation, probably as it grows and just spreads. Every we know tattooing grows. I see a lot a lot of conventions. There's like a conventions every weekend. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. But I see the future tattooing definitely being. Well, one it's more accepted now. But being kind of a big big business. You know, like I saw Nico recently talking about you know, we will within our lifetime. We will see somebody do it a million dollar tattoo. Just one Tajik for a million dollars with gold, ink or something, you know? Probably the worst. But yeah, I mean things like that. There's there's I think the business of tattooing we'll get bigger, you know, over all I think the art the art already is in seeing level banned for what I got into the kids that are doing tattoos nowadays. Like, I can't keep up with autistic. Yeah. It's it's ugly. I love it. I love CNN grow. I love seeing the girl. Did you know so many different styles? Be so refined. Now as far as the industry attended to. I think we're probably gonna see. I don't wanna say less conventions over the next ten years because artists are gonna go. Okay. These are the good ones in those ones come stay around the pop up, but I think inventions will change I think not that will be one every single weekend everywhere. I don't know about the tattoo studio formats tattoo studios may change like the format for our shop is more of a private appointment will be studio like if you knock on her door. You don't have a consultation. We give you a card. We tell you Email us because a form effort wintry is it's a private studio where my artists are in there doing project tattoos, right? We're not street shop. So I can see the direction of a lot of shops going away from the street shop where they all stay just as busy, but working arming large quality, custom tattoos. Bay. There's going to be a lot. You can never really predict what's going on to include because nobody can predict how big ten to got it. Now, do you? Do you pay BC the professional tattoo artist becoming more in line with like that of a doctor or a lawyer where like it becomes more of a? More of a socially acceptable profession lake where we're the general public takes the tattoo artist. A lot more serious. You know, down the road like that guy's legit. Evidently, you know, you see the industry going in that direction. I mean, it's definitely way more legit. You know, or typically and all that. I don't know, man. That's it's hard to say it was going to go and addiction to tell you. I hope not because I like the personality and character of tours are they do for to get like like, no, I don't say norby's do attend twos. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, so like the big, you know, one thing that sticks out to me personally as like you can have ten shops in town, right and one shops doing tattoos for fifty dollars minimum. And the guy over here with the custom. Shop is doing, you know, three hundred bucks an hour, or whatever, you know, this the price of tattoos is all over the place. You know? So it's like, yeah. Do you? Do you see more? More unity in the industry nowhere where things like that become more. I guess more of a collaborative effort to where it's like, okay. We're not gonna keep owner cutting each other. We're just gonna kinda like try to find a happy. You know, this is what it tattoo should should be valued at you see things happening. I don't know, man. 'cause I think if I think we would have kind of seen it by now a lot of times are good friends. But within cities there's that could be unhealthy competition amongst studios. You know because everybody wants that buck or they wanna be this. And that it would be the best shop. You know, I don't know how unified a lot of shops are going to get I think tend to definitely more unified. Now, you know, there's a lot of the convention circuit feels like a family, you know. So if you go to the that two dimensions. You're traveling that hasn't very family feel to because nobody's competing with each other. They're not from the same cities and stuff like that. I think it would be good. If shops came together and cities like here in Columbus, Ohio. There's so many shops, but none of them hanging out with each other. And it's odd that such like minded people. When hang out with each other. But tat always always. Join our. I've always been a competitive thing because it's an individual sport kind of for the most part designs aboard. But you know, what I'm saying sure did individual art form. So this guy wants to be better than that guy. This guy was that guy that guy is better is going to get more business gonna make more money. I think it's that mentality. Right. That keeps a lot of local studios and artists from being super tight super unified in like red tree with our shop. I think were I mean, there's there's probably memento highstreet too. But like one of the only shots here in town where we have like Peyton nights. And we send out vice to hold shops. And we invite other people to just come in there. No ego. We're not gonna talk about tattoo. We're going to make art and have fun. You know, I would like to see more of that happened within cities, you know, like shops host different pay nights and other shops, go to things like that. Sure. But yeah. As far as the the you'd any goes, you know, I definitely think. There's there's a lot of unity within tattooing. I don't know if it will become completely unified where everybody's helping everybody out ten years. I think, you know, ten years received a lot more corporate stuff going on as well that that may not out that Al. We're a lot of that. You have you have a lot of places getting bought up by by corporations now tattoo nation, some supply companies and things like that. We're yeah. Like some of these big corporations are coming in and buying stove up. You know? And I think that that is what will change the industry side of thing. I think the mentality of tattoo artist in the next ten years isn't going to change that doors are fucking full at men like party crack jokes. You know? Like is this? It's a different breed to different breed. Right. That's why you know, the crowd the different breed. You know, they got they got a different sense of humor that they love. So I don't think any of that will really change. Like, I said, I think there'll be less conventions that we more corporate stuff involvement doing they'll be regulations on the art forms is going to keep getting rowdy. You know? I love it. So yeah. Because you know at the beginning of every day, it's just all about the art. You know, that's the that's the important part of tattooing, you know, the athletes. So that's what that's what it is. Like, the the roots. Everybody's roots are from making tattoos or just love and tattoos before they get into the business side any of this shit. You know, like my thing I've told people to like I've done so much shit with my career at my life. I've been a busy fucking, dude. But here's the thing. When unlike if I make it to seventy who knows when I'm seventy I want the whole story to come full circle, all my closing chapter to be, and you know, so and he enjoyed making paintings until day died. So after all this heavy business shit doing all these conventions and products studios and stuff like that. When I'm older, I just wanted to come full circle. I want to be doing this fun little tattoos and make an art. You know? So it's it's kinda like a full circle thing. Where it all started the roots of it are making tattoos making our that's where all this started for me. And that's where it's all going to end again is when I'm done doing all business, and I want to go into my low gear and have a nice, relaxing light. It's all going to come back to the art is going to come back to what got me doing this whole fucking crazy roller coaster ride with my life. Tattooing? So at the end of the day when I'm seventy I'm just gonna be making tattoos and painting, you know, I'm not going to be tattoo sleeves shit. But I'm going to be doing what I love and reflecting on. What that art? And what tattooing where it all started? What then gave me through my whole life. Because the reason I give back to tend to ING and all of his stuff. I tried to the best. I can because tattoo has given me so much over the years that I feel like I have to get back to it as well. You know? So that's that's kind of the end of my day. Right. There is going to be given back to tuning in come back to the roots of coming back to be an artist. Yeah. Yeah. That's good stuff. Man. Good stuff. So on other thing. I wanna talk to you about is recently here you've been I I keep up with your Instagram's stories pretty much every day. I see him watch them all the time. You've been pretty vocal about, you know, supporting companies that are that are offering original products and not ripping off other people. And obviously, there's a lot of that that goes on, you know, so ONA talk to you a little bit about that you notice get kind of a little bit more of your perspective on that. And and definitely definitely become more vocal on that. Yeah. Mainly, you know, with what's going on with tattooing is something's going for a while. And they're noticed the recognized, but nobody takes action or doesn't support something after they realized finally like are kind of fucked up. So let's go back in. Let's go back and tattooing just we're talking ten year tenure changes in this net. Ten years ago. People were still getting a tattoo magazine and going I like that tattoo, even though the customer tattooed would say done by guy. So you get this bad ass tattoo by gauges in the magazines. And what was going on? And what was the plague of our industry was people were taken to magazine pages blame on a light board, tracing them putting that tend to back on somebody Shanley, you know, really bad and then resubmitted to the magazine. So we are seeing people's original art work in copied by other people re-submitted imprinted that became a sin that became a discussion within tattooing of don't support those artists. Why would you support an artist is ripping everybody off and just regurgitating with somebody else thirty done nicely? You know right net artists put it's hard work into. So what what's going on with tattooing now, and what should be going on to announce we're seeing people same thing is copying tattoo out of magazine, somebody comes out with original product or very innovative product. And then you see these other companies just going straight copy it, you know, all of like identically, even though you could do that easily in China. It's a matter of these companies and artists have an ethics more. Falls in the integrity to not do that to other people. Right. So the discussion is going on right now. And it should be going on with tattooing. You know, he's getting ripped off is the, you know, the discussion is why are we supporting supply companies or suppliers that are ripping off everybody else's fucking products. They're sitting there waiting like a shark waiting for somebody to make their product. And then they just go in ribbon off is like true groups, we've had numerous numerous companies rebuff our troops without even approaching us to say, hey, we'd like to carry your product everybody. That's the thing is like all everybody wants their their memory foam group covers for their companies. So what do they do they go? They go reverse engineer. Like we want that. Let's not support him and tell you truth if it really about tattooing, and you really respect tattooing tattoo as the people that make it that make the industry that bring these new things if you really respect them in your about it. You would never do that. Right. You would go to that person. So if you want your memory from true grips, or whatever why don't you just come to the guy say we'd like to carry your product. Why don't you support tattoos be, you know, be respectful part attend to? So it's not just me. I mean, I've had my own personal, you know, gripe stuff like that lately. But that's mainly the direction of what's going on. Now is we're seeing a lot of people just lurking lurking watching what other people are doing. And then his ribbon it off. Right. And I should be a discussion with tattooing the tattoo are still by for companies or don't buy specific rebuff products from those companies, you know, and I think that's an extent if not it's going to get worse. You know, like we all nip that. But like people copy other people's. Original tattoos or the it's a sin. They get shun. You know? And I think that's what needs to go on now with a lot of lot of the the rebuffed products. Our bended by somebody else thoughts. Interesting that you say that because it seems pretty it seems like people are really quick to call somebody out if they if they ripped somebody's tattoo off. I see it all the time. There's somebody's constantly calling somebody out for stealing somebody's artwork and reproducing, it know, but you don't really see that too much on the product side, you know, and I don't know if it's because of a lack of education on on the public part or the or what it is, you know, but generally people aren't doing that kind of stuff. So how do you how do you see that changing? I mean, what what should people do when you see something like that? Or they'd be. We should have a little bit of a voice about it. You know, like I've been trying to respectfully you see me have a little bit more presence and be a little more outspoken about this point, you know, and it takes somebody to to bring it to a head to make people aware like oh shit. Yeah. This is becoming problem. Yeah. But honestly, sometimes it's it's well known people that are even doing that. You know? It's all yeah. Dude. I've been amazed by the people, you know. Guy in industry that's rebel troop one and my trip to just call her to gray and call it a different name. You know, it's like fleet and stuff like that. Like, Joe, dude, you could have put like on our trip to we have four, you know, four rings like he could have done five rings, dude and had your own unique product. But you did it just like mine. So I guess so I think that's another interesting thing to talk about, you know, as far as going back to what we were talking about earlier when an artist, you know, has an idea for a product, and it's an innovative product. And it's something that's not out there yet, you know, it's important to to make sure that you're doing a taken the necessary steps to protect your. Whether it is a big part of it. You know, even if people will still rip shit off, even if you have like a trademark in this an patent because it's so much work to go after people, you know. Yeah. But at least then you have you have a course to do that, you know, if you don't take those steps to do that. I mean, you what recourse do you really have? I mean, you just kinda got you can go out you can go out and complain about it. But you really can't stop them from doing it. True. We had to. I mean, we took some like my ergo squish design haven't Pat donate. You had the memory foam grip covers that's the problem problems. I could get a patent on those because they're just you know, they'll serve what they what they call a specific function. Meaning that will change way a tattoo machine runs. There does the cushion for your hand. So there there lies the problem is, you know, it's an open game for whoever doesn't have morals to try to rip it off. You know, we did have to trade we trademarked the name true groups, you know, which we're now starting we're actually starting to license out troops to other companies. We're gonna be releasing a couple of new shapes and stuff like that too. But I work with Mario Barth right now. Actually, I work. Good reate ready. The next two months to release the intends to groups, you know, and they're they're premature troop threes in his company colors, the logos and his boxes stuff like that. But that was fucking rat. Because Mario approach me out lawyer coalition event after I kinda volt ahead of. Voice about people copying products. And he's the first guy that's come up to being Morris. Fucking awesome and very respectful, but he's like, hey, we're gonna do a memory foam grip. You know, we've talked about it as well. We'd like we liked licensed company. Like, all right. And I got it media to be immediately to work with them come up with his own coastal colors and things that he wanted for the product. And now we're getting ready to release for him. And then he could distribute that wherever you know. So that that is a shining example when we release these I'm going to do opposed in rates and stuff about how this is. How should be done every doesn't need to rip everybody off? If you've got your own unique product man is cool like it. I like to carry it like this for you. You know? So I think that's going to set an example because listen, we're right at the beginning of this discussion really within the industry supplies are just now becoming such a big thing. You know, big business big money, and all that we're seeing a lot more people get into it. You know, therefore, a lot of these things haven't been discussed, right like evil, rip it off other people's getting products. You know, you can get somebody's product like anybody Mary phone and be like, all right? Let's do a different shape. That's cool. But come to, you know, like, I might think is support people within tattooing. Sure, you know, if you see me by a budget shit, just China that you already see online somewhere, whatever. But if you see me actually manufacturing unique products are one of a kind of rip it off. So I don't know, you know. And that's I think that we're gonna see that kind of change within tattooing, and unfortunately, like be do dealing constantly bitch about it. But like I said somebody has to have a voice sometimes it does take that one person standing up to be like, wait a minute. To get everybody to wake up and realize visit. It's not good. Yeah. And you're right. It takes the leaders of industry to do that. You know, the people the people that are out there in front of everyone. You know, it's not gonna make a difference. If you know Joe blow down the street, doesn't like it. You know, he doesn't have that platform that you have you know, so. That's good. So anybody that wants to have a foam grip made can come to you and licensed product right through uniquely. We'll make it nice and easy to you know, because we do we know manufacturing. And we don't get manufacturer produce it for people. You know? So yeah, we're we're looking forward to doing that. Actually, we're sticking with a couple of other companies currently two of them licensing house limits grips and stuff like that too. So where we are. I mean before people ripped us off though, we did have years where we became the brand name. So true groups are the brand name within tattooing. You know, even if you see somebody else, we're gonna be like all trips. You know? They New Year's I. Yeah. Exactly. But I don't know, you know, within tattooing, I think it has to have a voice, and that's the way we all make change within our industry is having a voice. Hey, so so let's talk about something a little more fun. I kind of curious about this. And I haven't heard a lot about it. So what what's up with the episode say yes to the dress is that now that God or want, man? Yeah. It's while it's on it's being syndicated right now. So it actually it was released in America. It was released in England originally, I think it's on a few different countries. It might be an on like India now or something like that. But it's slowly excuse me. It's making its way to America Television too. So. Say yes to the dress me they approached us. It was funny because they saw online or something like that. And then with my wife, she's really, you know, outspoken beautiful models and stuff. So I think us as a couple sparked their interest to being like it's too like this tattooed alternative couple. So yeah, we doing the the wedding to the dress. She did the the I guess to address where she's picking the dress over London. And then they flew the London crew over at any married us in Vegas, which is RAD is out in the middle of nowhere like and it's like ghost town. So had a lot of flavor to it. But yes, different television, fun. I've done it before with like tattoo wars hell city med tend towards the learning channel. And then we've done some other stuff L city with the Discovery Channel with a show called the works. It's made it was about how tattoo it works. And how the body mechanics all that stuff? So. But yeah. So yesterday the dress it's online now. So if you go to go to surveil, FOX YouTube account, you can watch there's three parts to it. She has so and you'll wash whole thing again, you could watch it on YouTube channel what's that? You can watch it on YouTube channel right there. The whole episode different. You know, checking that out tonight for sure because I've been waiting for that forever. Like, man. Because she like she gets stuck like their their limo truly got stuck to. So it's like all the girls trying to push the limo haddish's voting. Yeah. Yeah. I remember watching, you know, clips of your wedding and stuff on on Instagram. Where was that? It was like a it was a castle or if it was just like a real world where you did the drill and show where it was in overland. They did that one that was our wedding in London, actually. So we actually did have a wedding in London at this fucking amazing chapel, man. And it was. It was like on the coast and in England is called west worn. And I was going to chapel. And honestly, the chapel was was scouted by Harry Potter by the movie, they almost did some filming in there. Oh, just. Yeah. I mean, I can tell you anything right there is this bad ass chapel. In the middle of nowhere on the edge of the run on the coastline of England. It dude honestly lake we had hundreds of people there and everybody was dancing and partying. Unlike any other wedding. I've been to and I'm a I'm not saying I'd just because it was our wedding. But everybody had a really good time. Yeah. Yeah. That it looked awesome. I you. Well, like, I said, you're always posting on Instagram. So, you know, wherever you're at your constantly doing some stories. It's like people to see how exciting it is. Yeah. I literally wish that I had a camera. Follow me around for less than twenty years to see all the crazy insane shit. It's happened in my life. It's not no it's not even close to being done, man. Do you know between shows the products, they get a lot ideas for products. You don't like I said I've been really joined traveling to. So we will like travel the world hit different conventions. So yeah, man. I I look forward to everything in the future. It has got to take care of my spine at this point. Yeah. Yeah. What's what's the biggest thing for two thousand nineteen four? You doesn't nineteen. I mean, definitely it's going to be put on the tube to hell city shows that's going to be some big production in releasing new products, mainly in two thousand nineteen move back out. Like I live downtown Columbus right now. Right by my studio, but I own a home out reynoldsburg, so me, and my wife are moving remo- back out to reynoldsburg just because there's a giant house compared to what we get downtown here for the money. I'd upon trails and stuff like that. So moving out there continued working on hill city released a new products still think there and. Yeah, just doing some art paint. Nting? It only get tattooed myself too. So I'm going to work on my own personal collection until some of the spots because almost have a full body suit. Once I get these, you know, big spots kind of mapped out. So yeah, just kinda working on my personal collections. So state shape omega back on my jujitsu a little bit just put my spine. A big getting into like live weightlifting a little bit more just trying to strengthen kind of, you know, not be injured anymore, which is nice. Yeah. It was the last time you got tattooed. I still get tattoo. Pre regularly about a month and a half, two months. I've been collected smaller tattoos from people recently run out of room. So my like left leg is all collector pieces and stuff like that. So guy just still working on my my lift rid. They're going to finish that I get my foot behind my knees. And then. My stomach. Anybody any artists that's on your bucket list to get tattooed by that? You haven't had an opportunity. Bucket list? Definitely Philip blue when it gets home from him before I'm all out of it. My legs going to be like a little small tattoos collecting them. You know, what are you doing for Paul booth? Could have not been pulled inference forever. I've been having to come to the show lately. So when we're sit down and get some from him, but they're going to be smaller. You know, minus two bigger spontaneity have planned swallow tattoos. I got eight mardi Maytham mardi one of my or my shops. Do it. My left foot one of my own artists that my shop. Batum France good friend of mine. He's gonna be doing behind my right, knee and time to Cubans pregnant, do my other homini, and then I got my stomach, and I'm pretty much solid run out. Real seeing how old it was like old dudes like out of body suits before you know, it the solid tattoos. And it's just like damn I'm getting there. Now you ever had anything laser or covered up or I had so much shit laser, man. It's yeah, it's insane. I had access to a gun. I did laser ING for years. And I probably and I'm not saying I've had more laser removal done on me than anybody. I know. Wow. And I've had it covered up to. So that my throat laser loss. I've had my right. Am I left like over half sleeves or moved? I left chest my right leg from the knee down. God what else in the back of my neck? My goals and. Chance about it. But the amount of coverage I had it's been pretty immense. You and I don't wanna do it anymore. I removed a lot of late at night when I was younger gang shit stuff. Like, then too. So and they got true artistic tattoos put over it. So. And that changed your life too. I think you know, so tattooed. You get when you're younger on the smartest things can get on. Like I'd suffer written across my throat forever. That's what I was like eighteen angry. Forty like I don't suffer suffering come on, man. So yeah, laser being definitely helped me out a lot because it opened up the options for the equality of tend to be now. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, hey, man, I've got some mum took some questions. You know? Obviously we want online. We asked people what questions they might have for you. So I did pick a few of those out that I thought were worth asking. And I'll ask you some of those. If you want to answer some of those that's cool. So there's a guy Joshua shore. He said what advice could you offer to somebody that wants to eventually be prospect twenty or health city shows, basically, how do I get in front of you and get a booth at your show. That's the. That's a big question. Actually, you've got a lot, you know, one. We have limited amount of booth. So it's like the demand for boosts is way higher than what we could give you know to to boost go anything like when I need people in person to that's a big thing. I think if people see me at a convention, they come up like, hey, man. We look at my portfolio that that makes an impression on me, a solid portfolio consisted solid portfolio to. Is a big thing too. We look for, you know, not just a couple of good tattoos any portfolio. We want a strong portfolio. We also would people try to get booth L city, we require each single Ted to boot to have to working tend to or this. So tip for people applying to apply with a second very strong tattoo artist. Not at apprentice, not their buddy down the street, but like another strong artist from their shop, you know, or somebody they know within industry get that a lot to people share, Bruce. Yeah. And then they do you sell the application online. We review it. If we like, it, you get invitation Somme thing, but it's very difficult to cater to everybody to with all because we're sold out man to man he's coming in. But we can't even make like another quarter. So and that's what we enjoy like Joe both of our shows because we sell for high. Oh, still opportunities. People have just as good as an experience with the show and Phoenix as well. So yeah, that's that's about as, you know, be adamant with it apply. Strong strong tattoos in a strong second artist. He see midday show. Yeah. Meeting person's gonna make more imprinted. I'll be than than anything to so. Yeah. It's probably not to note that you know, an artist shouldn't be intimidated to approach you're probably one of the multiple guys I've ever met. Yeah. I'm a big bonfire. I'm tall. I think. Shoot your super friendly. You're not you're not like, you know, one of those guys that that you see. And you're like, Ooh, I don't know if I talk to that guy or not. I try to be approachable. I would say definitely are about that to the people aspect of it. You know, so somebody ever doesn't like tattoo artists fucking blow people. I'm not blow people all but just getting people attitude because they don't wanna talk to them and shit like the Fugger you doing in this industry. Like, it's a people fucking. You know, right, right. Yeah. It's a customer service industry. Yeah. So I like to stay in fraudulent with people, you know. Okay. Well, moving on to another question. We got a guy. Michael, Mick, go wants to know, what financial strategies would you offer to self employed tattoo in a private studio. While me money management, super important. You know, we make money as tattoo artists. But then over ends a lot too. So I don't know. I mean, I think the thing would tend to like one thing I do intend to Bank in this. I bought my home and everything I would leave my shop and deposit all my cash separately twenty bucks in my Bank account, you know, and it really helped me like financially grow. Now money management is a whole other art form. That's why people go to fucking school for that shit. But mainly is is don't don't. One spend more time at the table than the Bower. Go home stage focused dedicated don't get caught up into lifestyle tooling, where your party until fuck at four AM. And he they get drawings done for the next day, and you're showed up late and hung over. You know, so made yourself first foremost, stay focused, they dedicated money management. Just because you're making five hundred bucks a day. Don't go by slugging three hundred dollar shoes and splurge on yourself like almost act like you don't have money, but your money away, put it in a Bank spend it on on central's what you truly need because a lot of shit life is just materialistic. So you'll buy this. You know, spin this by this extravagant shit. You know, why you try to support your family or your studio or make your studio better? So money managers, you you don't have it self control with the money to a man when you start tend to like holy shit. I can make this much. Money in a day. You know? But then they that's the thing is it becomes a delusion sometimes for people because go out partying and buying this. And that and they don't really have anything to show for it. Like me now, forty six and was spying issues at this shit from tattooing if I didn't set myself up financially, I'd be fucked. And I think that was a lot of tours like something happened bad depend. But they don't have some kind of if they didn't manage their money correctly or even having shrunk into Bank where they can take a week off or two weeks offer a month off from injuries or whatever like Ontario works we screwed if they intend to you know. With managing your money and your studio and all that is don't live beyond your means act like he don't have money while you're still making Tom about it. And it put it away and watch girl manages Farley from there. So. Yeah, that's that's that's the biggest advice act. Like, you don't have it. Don't be miseries with materialistic things. That's great vice for fin and everything I'm not saying not to spend it because nobody wants to be like the richest guy in the graveyard, right? Just be smart with it. Right. Yeah. Don't blow it. All. Yeah. Spent a little bit saved more. Yeah. Enjoy it. But yeah, save it. Because to tell you truth one of the most stressful times when you don't have money money's one of the most stressful things in life for sure, you know. And if you're not managing it, right? You're not gonna be able to keep running studio. We'll guns hours wants to know if you're ever going to bring back the pint-sized paintings. No, I'm not actually we did we did to a point size paintings projects. The first one was really RAD man we had like four hundred eight Bating's submitted. And then we we came out with a book by sites paintings volume one and that had two hundred thirty eight of the best what we felt were the best out of this four hundred and we put out on both manned at both fucking. It was phenomenal and the trial art show. We had like traveling our show with all the place size paintings. And all these grad displays, we you know, we we had a couple of different the conventions and studios and stuff like that. So we did that we also did a pint size paintings iphone app, which I believe is still vailable. They I told in store so it's called pint-size paintings. And you could flip through all four hundred all four hundred eight paintings are on that app. And then so we did we did the book and the. But that was really cool went to weaken the world's largest collection of miniature paintings as well. So we we had to success with the first one to book the art show. We did a second volume second project, and we had not not as many, but we had like three hundred and some paintings submitted for it. We did traveling art show again. And you know, he's really successful. We did not do a second book with it because books typically don't sell you know, that that quickly and stuff like that. And we had a bunch of pint-sized pays what's still sitting around. So when we did is we added the second volume the second project to the actual place is paintings app. That's only I phoned. I'll see you could flip through it. You see the artists. It's really cool. It's just like in the size of the paintings are almost identical to the size of it on the ISO or generally, cool too. So. Now, we won't be doing third project who cool. All right. I got one more question for you in this one could be a pretty controversial question. So hope you're ready for this. All right. Jeff worthy wants to know. Do you agree or disagree? That rogue one is one of the best star one movies ever. All right. So it's gonna take another hour. No, I think Rogan was fucking amazing. The tell you truth. I think it was the first was definitely the first Star Wars story outside of episode. And I think they did it. Right. You know, they showed Darth they showed some of the characters and stuff like that was an unique story within itself. Yeah. I think we're Guan is a permanent part of the store was universe. Now. You know, it in the death star plane has got there tied together and tied together perfectly with I do hope and all that stuff. So I was impressed by I was not as impressed by the last Jedi. Just gonna take they should account Jj Abrams on all three of them. Have a consistent with no weird deficit aren't explained and stuff like that. And then lastly, so low I actually enjoy solo. That's the second Star Wars story. And I like that you know, I wish here's one thing. I wish it would show more characters from other Star Wars like if you were selling bubble fit in the background or any of that job. They never showed job on things like that. So out of the stories wrote once my favorite I four they can hit hit don't have one low. There you go, Jeff, let's get to write you. How excited are you for that Star Wars park that's going to be opening up this year? I'll do that's what I'm white mitt. I'm not going back until they get pork. Open the way it looks ridiculous. Yeah. I'm gonna be it'd be like a little kid there. No. I'm like one of the Star Wars nerds. Like, I watch all the underground blogs. And you know, why this things this color, and we listen to this par- you'll hear this little noise too stupid nerd shit. Oh, yeah. Connects me with my childhood like Star Wars is something that, you know, my father took me to see it like at actual theater. It's just been a way to connect with, you know, a childhood like family and stuff like that too. So and then adding onto my son, you know, you know, a lot about Star Wars and stuff too. So it's a connection to my childhood of just cherished in forever in a sci-fi nerd and its size. So it's it's right. Allie. It's awesome. Lawyer definitely one of the biggest Star Wars fans. I know for sure. Oh, yeah. I don't want to run up against you Star Wars trivia. What? Hey, man, let's throw some plugs in here. You know, if I if I want to find you on Facebook where where should I look Facebook you just find me under while my my real page. It's Facebook doesn't allow you to use your nicknames is under which Morrison. You can also find my fan page under dirt Morrison, and then you don't get health city true tattoo supplies on their in retreat as well. So you find all my businesses. And I think if you'd find my my one page either the dirt Morse advantage or the rich Morrison personal page on there, you can find links to everything so Instagram. Same thing, you have Instagram is under dirt Morrison, and then hell underscores city TRU tubes all one word and then read tree tattoo. It's going to be another one on its to Britain's cool cool. And then I heard you earlier you said something about consultations with people if somebody. To get in touch with you for a consultation. What's the best way to do that? Yeah. I would say just emailed me. That's usually the best way for business is to Email me d'oeuvres at hell city dot com. Private messages. That's cool like Instagram Facebook. You know, I don't look at those as serious inquiries deteriorate truth because everybody would be on there. So I don't typically look at my Facebook, emails and Instagram emails as much as my business trip. Business email. So I would say that I would I would Email me at derby hill city dot com and just put in the subject line consultation inquiry or something along those lines. Yeah. Exactly station. Cool dolan. Well, hey, man. I really appreciate you taking the time with me today. Really great talking to you. I'll be sidelined in a couple of months of hell city and look forward to sitting down these more. And man this thanks for taking some thanks so much for listening to this episode of electro radio with rob Smith. If you join today's episode, please leave a review and subscribe, and for more great content and to stay up to date. Visit electric radio dot com and Facebook dot com slash Rome radio. We'll catch you next time.

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Warriors: Artemisia of Caria

Encyclopedia Womannica

07:39 min | 6 months ago

Warriors: Artemisia of Caria

"Hello for wonder media network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia. Britannica happy February. A new month means a brand ran new theme this time talking about warriors women from throughout history and around the world who stood up to fight for what they believed for some that meant literally taking up arms for others that marching writing or speaking up for the cars are story. Today starts way back in Ancient Greece in the fifth century BC. We're talking about a queen and Genius military strategist whose advice was sought out by the Persian emperors. Here's our CC's meet Artemisia of Caria Arte. Museum was the daughter of the King of Halacha. NASICE her mother's identity is unknown other than the fact that she was from after her father's death Artemisia assumed the throne of carrier which is located. In what's now Turkey carrier was the province of the Persian empire at the time because of her gender Artemisia technically served as regent for her young son. During this period zirk sees he's the powerful Emperor of Persia was attempting to conquer Greece. His father had suffered an embarrassing defeat at the battle of marathon and Zirk sees was determined to carry hurry out his father's quest for revenge to do so Zirk had brought together. What's believed to be the largest military force assembled up to that point in history Artemisia troops were part of that force led by the Queen herself as Queen? She wasn't required or expected to join the war so she must have actively chosen to to do so. Most of what we know about. Artemisia comes from the famous Greek historian. Herodotus he was quite a fan when describing the Persian military military herodotus wrote Artemisia. I pass over all the other officers because there's no need for me to mention them except for Artemisia because I find it particularly remarkable that a woman should have taken part in the expedition against Greece. She took over the tyranny after her husband's death and and although she had a grown-up son and not have to join the expedition. Her manly courage impelled her to do so. Hers was the second most famous squadron in the entire Navy after the one from side. None of circuses allies gave him better advice than her Artemisia fought in the battle of Artemis e in late for eighty BC there. She proved herself to be quite the tactician to avoid unnecessary conflict before her forces were ready and in the correct positions. She instructed her ships to switch between the Greek and the Persian flags on her orders. The the battle of Art Museum was considered a tie but the Greeks fled allowing the Persians to recruit Artemis. Performance was so impressive that the Greeks put a bounty on on her head. As the Naval Battle of Art Museum was being fought the battle of thermopylae was playing out on land. The Persians won a major the victory at the land battle and went on to burn the city of Athens in some ways. Destroy the city accomplished what Zirk see set out to do but but the Greeks had fled Athens before the Persian troops arrived and the war was far from over the Greek forces were instead preparing to change the tide of the war in a naval battle. They lured the Persians into conflict off the coast of Greece. Circuses called on all of his advisors. Here's to decide whether or not the Persian should move their forces to meet the Greeks where they'd station near the Strait of Salamis. According to Herodotus every single will member of the council wanted to go for it except for Artemisia was impressed that she dared to oppose the majority opinion. He had already been impressed by her performance. In the battle of Artemisia and this honest guidance lifted her even higher in his esteem. Still all circuses decided to follow the rest of his advisors. He wanted a decisive absolute victory against the Greeks. Unfortunately things didn't go his way. Despite the fact that Artemisia had advised against joining the fray she didn't hesitate to follow orders to do so as the Persians attacked. The Greeks acted like they were retreating. The move forced the fight into the Strait of Salamis. The narrow street was very difficult to maneuver in the Persians large ships and significantly easier for the Greeks more nimble vessels the Persians. majorly ager lost the battle. Circuses was afraid that the lawsuit prompt the Greek forces to go on the offensive and strategically trap his troops in Greece Greece. One commander offered to stay behind with three hundred thousand troops to allow himself to retreat before agreeing agreeing to the plan. Circuses again sought the advice of his military leaders including Artemisia according to Herodotus when Artemisia arrived to give advice ice surfaces excused everyone else to hear her thoughts this time she sided with the proposed plan. She said that whether remaining troops won won or lost it wouldn't be too much sweat off sees back Zirk sees followed her advice and left Greece. Artemisia was charged with taking his children to safety in Ephesus access which is in modern day. Turkey the commander who stayed behind was killed. The following year and another Greek victory after delivering Zirk sees children. Artemisia disappeared from the historical record. Despite the fact that her side Lost Artemisia proved herself to be an extraordinary strategist. She earned herself the position of prized adviser at a time when it was almost unheard of for a woman to be in such a role this week of encyclopedia. CLA -PEDIA will MANTECA is brought to you by Athletic Greens. No matter what it is. 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Stay Humble

Highly Questionable

16:30 min | 2 months ago

Stay Humble

"Pipped welcome to highly questionable. I'm Dan Lead Guitar. I am hoping that they keep in that weird sound that. Pablo just made where he sort of restless and bored getting ready for our show. Today that's Tori and kinds. Let's get started. Does is general. Diffuse anxiety is Max. Scherzer tweet a bad sign for the baseball season. Okay you can read whatever you want from Max Scherzer on these tweets. In his words you can say. Is this Scott. Boris his client talking as Scott Boras. Trevor Bauer has alleged or is it sure is or regardless of what these words say. It's bleep off owners. It's we're GONNA come back to you with a different proposal and we don't care what this proposal said and what I would say to you. Is this sport more than any other would be in jeopardy because what do you always hear when football and basketball have labor stoppages? What you hear is the players can't withstand what the owners can but in baseball Max. Scherzer certainly can't increases. Health risks doesn't have to play baseball doesn't ever Sour Catholic is based always willing to take the public relations hint on a work stoppage fighting over money. And it's why they don't ever salary cap and why they have so much money. This is exactly what the union before this one stood for. They don't care that it's a pandemic. They want their money. It's not about love of the game and they're not going to let the owners get away with this because the owners have a real problem on their hands your when it comes to leverage ears where their franchises ten actually appreciate when those franchises never depreciate. We've been talking about this story for weeks now and all along I've been saying people are never going to side with the players at a time when so many people are struggling financially. It's just hard to empathize with these guys in their quibbles. Even if there are billionaire owners on the other side but I solve this tweet and the reaction to it Dan and changed my mind. I actually think sentiment on this issue has moved because the owners latest proposal was so transparently. Obnoxious they're are treating this like a normal negotiation where you play ball throw out. Some unrealistic offers. Hope to meet in the middle at the very last second but these are not normal times and it seems to me that they have succeeded. Not only inflaming the players to the point where it's no longer negotiation at all but they've also lost ground in the court of public opinion. The worst case scenario here is that this is exactly actually what the owners wanted to happen. They wanted the union to look at their offer and say this is so obviously unacceptable that now we must waste even more time moving backwards than resetting and starting from before zero so. That's the worst case. The best case though is also pretty embarrassing because even if you forget the whole greedy billionaires versus tone-deaf millionaires kind of tribalism that is overlaying any sort of labor negotiation. This is just a bad offer like pretending it's shark tank. You are out on this immediately and it's not even because maybe you WanNa see baseball really bad or you don't. It's just unreasonable. You're going to ask Mike Trout to give fourteen million dollars to already Merano. Even though Arte Moreno does it needed at all that just is a starter to begin with. And meanwhile the only person I think who is maybe sending back and laughing year is our man blake. Snell WHO's in his gamer chair and saying Bro. I was trying to tell you guys bro. I was right the entire time. Grow quiet and humble Baker Mayfield. More or less. This is exactly why it is that. I was rooting for the Cleveland Browns to win last year. Because I did not want this to happen. I did not want that position. So antiseptic guys giving you boring answers on purpose to swallow the one guy who came in with personality. If you added Ego and arrogance and winning you would have gotten more personality and said you turned him into another one of these drones. Burned by social media burned by public reaction. And now he doesn't want to be a distraction wasn't as good as he should have been last year. He probably the primary reason that that team underachieved and because he talked so much. You can't talk now. So he goes on to zoom meeting and purposely boring to tell you he's here to be silent again while on zoom meeting not being silent but the Dole equivalent but Dan. I have some good news for you. I don't think this strategy is going to work at all because the strategy seems to boil down as it so often does for athletes in an off season too. I figured out the problem. I'm going to become a totally different person. I'm going to rewire my entire brain in personality. This will be my redemption. And I don't buy it and I know this because I myself among twitter way too much just lurking pathetically and I always tell myself I am not going to engage in my mentions. I am not going to do it. But then someone offers up a tasty Colin Coward Morsel and you know instantaneous. Baker Mayfield is going to be back on his computer responding to that. Because the don't is too enticing. The pass up yeah. Having spent time with Baker the impression I got was he has been this way his entire life. I don't think one season of come up is going to change him. I think the personality the bravado will return the second he succeeds I think he is trying to modulate his public persona. Because of the backlash she received House didn't struggle because Baker. Mayfield talked trash. They struggle because of bad play calling an offensive line in shambles mechanic suffering as a result but people relished that struggle because he taught trash. I think he saw that but the second dose struggles go away and he performs. Well he'll go back to being his old self may not where you at all self conscious about starting your very thorough and excellent analysis with having spent time with Baker. She didn't just name drop there. Were you at all self conscious about that when you started the thought that way? No actually because unlike Pablo Tori will constantly draws on his journalistic experiences. I did profile story over and over again with the hit. You with the quote marks wouldn't find that issue and put it behind me right now. Where is your Wallet Right? Now have a wall in her home. That is just magazine covers because I am obviously praying at the altar of my personal vanity. But not even to that extent have I got. There's one one. There's a-rod yourself. Baker one Holloway Years Coming UP NEXT ON MY CELL Steve Show. Oh there's an earthquake in my house though we're apart these days was sharing more so at Geico. We'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing. Your savage dance moves. Thanks for sharing your diy fails thanks for sharing your inner lip. Sing Star. Now it's our turn to share with the Geiko give back the fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers. Because we're committed for the long haul the fifteen percent credit last year full policy term visit GEICO DOT com slash give back for more INFO and eligibility. How should bill O'Brien feel about? Jj Watson Dorfman of his. Coaching all right. So Captain America. When he is acting and speaking in front of cameras he says the right things that he thinks that fans want to hear and people do believe him to be sincere but he was stumped when asked easiest question in the world which is just. Tell us how. Good your coaches and look at what happened. You're there on the inside. What makes bill o? Rien a good head coach. He's got to new play. All of it's a little bit different role. What makes him good at leading? This team job is to is to do. Just that is the leader James to obviously more of an offensive defensive guy. So it's it's to the overall table vendor lead the offense and now it is Other roles as well as to general managers do everything within the organization That's that's his role. That's what obviously excels at the answer is. Why is he such a good coach? The answer is because he's coach. And that's it. That's all he second you there with some pacifying gesture sorta rubbing his his hair uncomfortable seeing. He just told you the not a good goats. That's what he just said in. Jj Watts defense. I guess in Bill Bryan's defense if you ask defensive players on a team where the coaches offensive minded. They don't usually spend a ton of time with them but that was pretty bad. Basically outed like he was. You know assigned an essay on Bill. O'brien and began with the dictionary defines coach match that doubles based on barges as much and it especially bad because as you pointed out. Dan It's. Jj Watt who we know is a smooth talker but he was not pursued. Her he refused to lie. Is there any greater? Indictment of someone's relationship lied a strangers about that person. Jj Watt would have been better off doing this. Oh No it was an earthquake in my house. Stop moving and pretend like zoom had frozen. Life do question. Iran should say yes to this Jose or remind you at the time of Michael Jordan was across the sky a star that was right there with Michael Jordan once upon a time in American sports and IT WAS JOSE. Canseco and here. He does not like a rod very much. He wished everyone a happy. Mother's Day except for Alex Rodriguez. He's always going after. It must make him crazy. That era ban for the sport for year and ends up J. Lo more relevant than ever and Sunday night baseball. And here's Consejo saying how about we bare knuckle fighting here and my favorite part is wrong. Always I've I'm interested in fighting. There should be a celebrity division by the way a Rod. I challenge you to a bare knuckle. Fight there some spelling issues there. It also ignores that. There once was famously. A boxing match Jose Canseco was supposed to have in south Florida but he instead sent his twin brother who had different tattoos. And that's where the skin of my favorite comment. There was somebody asking. Does he wanNA fight Iran or just a generic rod? Somebody recently told me that ninety percent of the accounts that celebrities engage with on twitter or fight with our butts right. And I'm not saying Jose can say go is about but if you weren't to build a but based on everything you know about Jose Canseco including his speech patterns dots opinions. That is exactly what Bob I love. How one sided this is Alex. Rodriguez has responded to exactly zero. Jose Canseco's overtures and there have been many and they have been personal involved Jaylo involve infidelity allegations. All of this. All of which makes Jose Canseco like Alex. Rodriguez is old friend from home like era. Dan is trying to be America's sweetheart but years. Jose Canseco being like I remember you you. You're in no wants who are coming through tomorrow at five thirty. Am Yes in the Katie L. Okay I believe the call ravage and shabby have the worst jobs in the history of network on television having the get up in the middle of the night to multiple times a week to broadcast games in a different country with players that none of us know but South Korea has fallen in love with our broadcasters they are now huge stars Carl ravage gets a Song Sung about it to nine on a non Mana Mana now nine and nine nine three nine nine nine hundred ninety nine a not out of line. He poked home would dancing. Pablo it's going to be stuck in my head all league intrigue. I am intrigued and I'm kind of reluctant to say why am intrigued but people all right so I was that at. I was at boobs Yambio Charity Baseball event. And that is where I met Carl ravitch except I met Carl ravage as Carl ravaged. I were both coming out of stalls in the bathroom and for some reason our mutual first instinct was to shake shake hands. Oh no not a thing not really disgusting my childhood. I wasn't thinking straight I don king. But you betrayed him on television star by making him on sanitary. He didn't ask for any of that made. Are you intrigued? You did a great job singing that song. Thank you very much. I am intrigued. You know that the Koreans love him because Colorado is not an easy word to say abuse by the way I am afraid. However that. None of your airing that on this program my mom is going to see it and I am going to get a text of hers saying why don't they have a song then little true? That's true yes. Are we going to make one? Is PABLO GONNA make one? Are we going to end the show with Pablo making one for me kinds? That was a lot of fun. Check out both of Munich. Times is podcast podcasts. With lending her dog and also ESPN daily Hobble. Doesn't have any PODCAST. He doesn't have a song. Had much of anything. Other than a terrible must dot dot dot dot mean being Amina Meena Meena Dot Dot dot com.

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El origen del Arte: las cuevas de Cantabria

Podcast RadioViajera

58:00 min | 10 months ago

El origen del Arte: las cuevas de Cantabria

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El Viajero Accidental 404  Caminando con arte por Lugo

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48:19 min | 11 months ago

El Viajero Accidental 404 Caminando con arte por Lugo

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Montserrat, una obra de arte natural  Barceloneando 43

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31:28 min | 5 months ago

Montserrat, una obra de arte natural Barceloneando 43

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State v. Keith Davis, Jr. - Addendum 1  Wrong Man, Right Wife

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State v. Keith Davis, Jr. - Addendum 1 Wrong Man, Right Wife

"Uh-huh. Hi, this is Colin Miller associate dean at the university of South Carolina school of law. And I'm serving that host this I identify on the disclosed series on Heath Davis junior. I'm joined by two special guests, I is Kelly Davis who is Keith Davis. Junior's wife an advocate for him in criminal Justice reform Kelly. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. And I know you were just talking with Keith Ben during the episode. It's been listening to the episode. Yes. He's been listening to the episodes and t called this evening. The listeners person I'm calling today. And he's listened to about ten minutes of it. And he just in the middle of finishing often. Do you talk to him every day a couple of times a day? One of his lawyers have before keep calls home more often than most. And my other guess today is Amelia McDonald Perry. She is both one of the hosts of the underscored strays and Freddie gray as well. As the host of the Heath Davis, junior -ssary so Amelia, welcome to disclose again. All right. Thank you. So much. Back. And so this has been noted in the first episode is unique for undisclosed usually handle cases where the defendant has been convicted we're trying to prove conviction. Whereas this is a case where it's been prosecuted several times and state has this theory. They keep pushing where they say that he robbed this cabdriver this hack, this legal cabdriver ran away was shot by police ran into this garage had the phone call of you Kelly saying I'm going to die and their claim is they chased him into this Karaj shot at him found him with gunshot wounds and found him holding this handgun and claim that he is a felon in possession of a firearm and also guilty of this murder connected to the gun, and so all start with you. You know, this part of the goal the podcast is to dig beneath that narrative of the stay and see whether in fact holds water, what was the first exposure you had to keep skates. It was when I went down to Baltimore, and I was starting research on the Freddie gray series and very very early on. And doing my research for that. A reporter was the first person to mention Keats name to me. He said, you know, have you heard Keith Davis junior? And I was like we'll know who's that. That's a man who's being prosecuted for he was the first person who was shot by Baltimore police after the death of Freddie, gray. But the difference is that first of all Keith lived and second of all instead of trying the officers for shooting at him. The state's attorney Marilyn Moseley is in fact, prosecuting ham. And I think at that point when I found out about it. I think he had already gone through his first trial hostile fleet. He'd definitely been charged for the murder by that point. And so it reached this kind of level of craziness where people were sort of like, wait. There's another case that you're starting went. And so that he was mentioned. To somebody. You know, that that people were sort of saying about him that he was he was Freddie, gray. If Freddie gray had lived, essentially sort of suggesting that Freddie gray had survived his encounter with police and various aforce that instead of seeking Justice for him. They would have been prosecuting him for some sort of crime. They would have found something to sort of pin on him just as they have will case Royden Kelly. What's your reaction when you find out that not only are the police in the case not going to be prosecuted? But instead that Keith is going to be prosecuted for these crimes, it was kinda odd at the moment. Simply because we didn't find out about it at the same time. We found out about these things like in pieces like we would go to court after postponement at the it. And then it will come out that oh, these officers we can't go to court because no one's top to them. And then it will come out there. Oh, this one no one's giving a statement. So when Keith was actually in trial when we found out that no one had ripe. I Trump started. No one talk to officers. I mean, we knew that he was being charged. What we, you know, our thing was I kept feeling like, well, you know, once they talked to the officers, they'll know that it doesn't make sense. And it'll be all cleared up in in that day never came because you know, they didn't talk to officers. They just kinda when after Keith. So it was it was confusing, but it was also infuriating because you know, Marlon Moesby with someone that we thought, you know, as soon as she got hold of this. She would do what she had done with Freddie, gray. So it was a pretty frustrating process into that point Amelia, you note new episode it's impossible to take this case in a vacuum. It's really part of this continuum starts back in twenty four teen. We have Marilyn Moesby being elected state's attorney for Baltimore City when she is elected. She's the youngest top prosecutor in a major US city generates twenty fifteen. She swore office three months after that. We have the arrested, Freddie, gray on April twelve twenty fifteen and as I noted. You were one of the hosts and investigators for the Freddie gray series and preliminaries who might be nude on disclosed. Can you give us a thumbnail of what happens when Freddie gray was arrested chef fell his case caught a lot of attention in part because it was captured on citizen cellphone video. So pregnant was chased by three Baltimore police by obsers doing bike duty that day. He was chased for still unclear reasons why the officer said that Freddie, locked eyes with him, and then took off running which in Baltimore, according to the police's reason to chase when they caught him. They arrested him as parents for what they call the switchblade in a legal knife are sort of a segment is that it was not illegal knife. But point being he was put in at the scene when he was being arrested. He was screaming in obvious pain. And so the video caught a lot of attention because it was so. So upsetting to watch that went viral, and what happened from there was sort of source of some mystery. He was put inside a police transport van theoretically to be taken either down to the district on the western district in in Baltimore or to central booking. What ended up happening was that van according to the belief made four additional stops before going back to the district by the time that the band got back to the district about forty five minutes after Freddie was initially arrested. He was found unconscious, not breathing. And then when they took him to the hospital. It was discovered that his spine had been broken severely to the point where it put such severe spinal pressure on his cervical spine that he lost the ability to breathe, and he essentially died a week later of an anoxia brain injury. But kind of mystery so. Speak around like what happened to Freddie, winded his neck, get broken? You know, I think early on a lot of people if you saw the video the association was like, oh, it must have happened. Then the way that one of the officers had put his knee in Friday's kind of upper back neck area. But you know, there was also this sort of long ban ride multiple stops that sort of were told and in sort of investigating that what we found was that the van definitely did make additional stops. We were sort of not convinced of one or two of them, or at least the evidence to support one or two of those stops was not very good. But in any case, the narrative sort of served to suggest that whatever happened happened inside the van and wasn't by human hands. And what ended up happening is that Maryland Moseley charged six officers after about a two week long investigation by the police department and supposedly an independent investigation by her office. And the case they have taken to core against those six officers tried four of them was based on this idea that Freddie, I don't think they have a really so much Hughes. This argument, they didn't use this phrase in court so much with the argument in sort of myth that goes along with what happened to Freddie that he endured a rough ride where essentially van driver was driving jerking around a on that he at some point because he was on seat. Felted he fell and broke his neck. What we found was I spent a lot of time interviewing witnesses civilian witnesses who early on had been talking to the press. 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So this is then early may we have the medical examiner determining this homicide. We have Maryland who is bringing the charges against the Baltimore police officers and the shooting Keith Davis juniors on June seventh and so Kelly as you noted before based upon Maryland Moe's, handling the, Freddie gray case and the whole Baltimore uprising and everything going on Baltimore. What are your thoughts on Maryland Moesby sort of heading into June and how she's handling this, Freddie, gray case as this? Keith Davis junior cases coming across her desk. At the hospital. You know, soon as we realize that you know, things are just not adding up. I I just kept saying, you know, need to do something in remember, call my mom in crying. She's like Kelly know what you gotta come down. This Meghan Uni where you gotta get some answers and called my pastor at the time, and that was pastor Jamal O'Brien. And I knew that he had a direct connection to her. And I was so sure that as soon as she saw it as soon as it hit her desk because I kinda head felt like she was just kinda like this underdog who couldn't be conformed, and she was going to do things her way into was going to do them the right way. Our my new as soon as require that something goes, really wrong. We knew that she would be the wanted cleared out. So I wasn't -ticipant it getting to her desk actually, kinda told everyone at the hospital in in those those days afterwards that you know, we just gotta get it just has to get to her. And then it'll all of be cleared up. Cheetah's? Well, you know, one of the he kinda wrote on napkin was you know, like social figure this out, you know, he never intensified going to jail from the hospital. He figured it would get to someone like Maryland was the she would definitely takes this in of you ever had a chance threat this process to speak with her personally sort of system. Why to sit down not a one? Not at all. I have had to kinda take an opportunity to talk to her after countless emails in. I mean, I had an opportunity to actually go into the state attorney's office was wasn't able to speak with her. But countless times of emailing trying to communicate I kinda just head to take in opera -tunities to talk to her one one. Was there a specific point for you? When you realize that she wasn't gonna be on your side was more sort of a gradual process where you realized incrementally that this wasn't going to expected when Keith was charged any little about the criminal Justice system. So I didn't know that like the police charge you then it's the state that invite you in, you know, so I had kinda get like a crash course in those first couple hours after he was arrested. And I kinda learn that, okay? Wait, a minute vicious not coming to my rescue. So that's when I started to kind of reach out in slowly. But surely as he kinda had his arraignment as he kinda had his indictment in actually around glee that was the first time that actually met which would be his defense counsel for most of his trials Twitter Francis Williams at a deal Jay because at that time, the department of Justice was on the ground. And she was like, hey, you can't keep wasting time. You know, your help is not coming. You have to do it yourself. So I'd say toward the end of June, the beginning of July. It was clear to me that maybe she's she's not in. She's only -cation or she's not coming. The Melia we sort of again have these cases running in parallel the cases against the police officers in, Freddie, gray case and case against Keith. Davis junior ends again for those who might be following the Freddie gray case what's happened in these prosecutions of the police officers sell actor they were charged. I'm make I two thousand fifteen there was a kind of continuing investigation working in concert with the police department to kind of continue to build this case that they're gonna try these officers on they were all given individual trials. So they weren't tried all group on the first person to go to trial was William porter in December of two thousand fifteen. He was the only officer to take a jury trial, actually, and that was a hung jury verdict there and from an he was going to be retried again a little bit later after a couple of the other officers. So then the next person to go to trial was Edward Niro. And he made the. Unusual decision to take a bench trial, which was interesting especially because there was going to be one judge to preside over all of the trials. So once officer Niro took events trial and that case went in his favor. He was acquitted all the other officers very quickly decided that they were going to take a bench trial. Well, and that I think was I mean, it makes sense strategically for them. I can't fault them for it. But it also I had the affect of limiting transparency actually around the sort of evidence in this case because the judge had seen, you know, he'd feel a lot of things in one trial, and then it allowed them to sort of skip pass the sort of public acknowledgement of certain bits of evidence in the other cases. So what ended up happening is whoever Mira was acquitted after that Caesar Goodson who was the van driver. He was actually the one who was tried. With the highest charge. Second degree murder depraved heart murder, and he was acquitted as well. And then after that was the tenant Brian rice. He was acquitted as well, and then a few weeks after that in August of two thousand sixteen Maryland MOS, b dropped the charges against the two remaining officers who had not sued trial Garrett Miller and Alicia white. And as well as William porter who was going to be retried, but they dropped those all the rest of the charges essentially tossed in the towel. And the blame was kind of interesting the her her office the to prosecutors who are on the case, Janice Bledsoe and Michael Chateau afterwards. Kind of implied that the reason why the case they were having such a hard time of the cases because the police department investigators had sort of screwed up the investigation, and I would agree, but I would say that that happened much earlier on. And in fact, their case was Bill. Built entirely on be work of what's called the fit team before investigation team, which just happens to be same investigators that are tasked with investigating the police involved shooting. Keith Davis junior ROY lemon killer. We have the flip side of this, which is a lot of research in criminal Justice system. I think there are three cases that stand up from the rest one of the case of criticism hours prosecuted six times for murdering Mississippi. His case was just heard by the supreme court Kyle's versus Whitley another supreme court case murder New Orleans. Harry Connick senior the father of Harry Connick junior prosecuted that case five times, the only other case I've ever heard of with five separate prosecution's case this summer is the case of your husband, Keith, those are the numbers they can only tell us so much what emotionally mentally physically has been the toll on Keith you and your families for these prosecutions. Extending over these years. This has been a nightmare in. It's a never ending nightmare. I think for Keith. And I kinda actually kinda expressed this to his defense attorney this week. He kinda went through the motion of any my defense attorneys. Come in talk to me, let me know what's going on. And he's now adopted this mantra of I just wanna get into court. I think that we have had so many experiences where we've had to learn the law in we know the law we go over it together. And we have defense attorneys telling us, hey, the law says this, and we get into that courtroom and the judges their Woodard or their calls tie the hands of the defense, and we are just devastated. And so I think that we kinda have learned to not expect much. But for the most part it's grueling in. It's excruciating. At the I work I have four children they've had to. Gonna continue their relationship with him from prison. We used to visit him twice a week in the he moves for Sylla's. And you know, I'm juggling all of these things his health his freedom. Liberty household children. And it's never ending in it just feels so got him on fair. And you know, you get to see other people, you know, they know stories in cases in the city in above. They have some resolution in we just don't. But I know that I can't just kind of resolve in an take. What's what been given which is mistrial mistrial conviction? Overturn we just gotta keep going until he's home. That's the only way to make this right? We to comment on Facebook phone of your point. This person said his wife has been advocating her off in Baltimore. I'm glad to finally getting some commission. Ends achilles. You said you're kind of sorta speak learning on the job. What were your impressions of the criminal Justice system before Keith was shot and everything that you'd be an advocate out there for criminal Justice reform know at kinda briefly talk about that today on Twitter as so many of my friends from high school have kind of reached out I grew up in the city, but my parents house in the county in canes, though, in moved there when I was fourteen so, you know, my my shape thing around that in the criminal Justice system was pretty much minimal know, I lived in Painesville, which is a small town the police are normally our friends family is not our friends that we've grown up to school. I was nowhere near an advocate. I was nowhere near even with Freddie, gray. Like, you know, that was like a water cooler question at work, and I never took a stance never handed opinion. My opinion was just simply like Hawaii. I don't know because I had no reason to question law enforcement. Ahead. No reason to have aggress of the criminal Justice system. I barely a parking ticket. So it was just something that wasn't on my radar in. Another sounds kind of bad. Now. Like, I'm a wanna be activists, which I don't think I'm active at all. But I just had no reason to explore. It ahead. No reason to be skeptical. I mean, just none at all it in something that actually didn't affect me. So I didn't I didn't take notice to it Amelia's lung as known year you've been, of course, very passionate about KOMO Justice issues Ron convictions reform, but I'm not actually sure they know your history. There have one event the spur interest or sort of years of building up in seeing these issues, or what was it led you to sort of be this reporter digging into these cases? I mean, I think I I grew up in a household where Mike Harris Gary much taught me to question authority. My father. Had spent three years in prison before I was born my dad had a real he had a strong feelings about long force -ment present all of that on. I also, you know, what I can say back on my life in looking back on my relationship with my dad, I can see very much how present affected him in the long term for his sort of mental health, physical health cetera. So I think that that was something that was inside me kind of growing see, but I had to kind of learn for myself through just reading about people's stories and learning to sort of question, the narratives were sort of said about police in prosecutors. But the thing that I would say I was always interested in I love a crime documentary that thing, but the thing that I will say that really changed my life. As far as work is concerned was hearing on story on cereal. Just got so obsessed with it. And then I was obsessed with it because it was obviously a compelling narrative. But I was obsessed. West with the fact that it just seems so why obviously wrong what had happened. And I couldn't understand why could've just be fixed. And you know, I started following that case in I the thing that really I was like I need to do a different job. I need to be doing something different with my life. Is I went and covered odd PCR hearing for a website run. And that was I found it so fun and interesting, and I was so fired up about it. And I loved undisclosed. And that was honestly really what changed my wife like they I was it was like Robbie urine Robin seeing what she does. And just wanting to like be obsessed with particular case and get to the bottom of it in hopes of writing a wrong into the Heath Davis junior case to me is is so obviously screwed up. You know, you mentioned the fact that keep is one of these three cases that you can think of it is really sort. Of unique by the amount of times that he's been prosecuted. And you know, it's interesting because Maryland Moesby has really built her her national reputation on being the prosecutor charge, the officers in the, Freddie gray case, but she lost those cases, and as far as I'm concerned, if she's gonna, you know, have be her defining case, she needs to have as well her prosecution and persecution of Keith data student being right aside because to me, it's a far more career defining choice that she's made that he refuses to kind of own responsibly in part of why wanted to this podcast is I wanted to draw attention to that I feel like, you know, we did it with predicates. Well, this is part two is far as I'm concerned. What did you find difficult about managing a business? Giresse business owner Honey book dot com can help you spend less time handling the administrative work and more time doing what you love Honey bucket. 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This case the Keith Davis junior case has primarily been investigated and presented by women. We have the two of you. We have LS berry writing a piece for the intercept. We have in the Ronnie long case be covered on the podcast his wife, Ashley fighting for Justice over the years. And I'm not the first person to say this been a lot written about how criminal Justice reform is a feminist issue. And that women are taking the lead in criminal Justice reform is for both of you. What do you think the criminal Justice reform is a feminist issue? And why you think it is women who are really leading the charge in many of these issues. I mean, when I can say that I think that I mean, I don't have personal experience with this myself. But I think when you look at the actual search statistics about who is incarcerated it is not should not come as a surprise that. When a large volume of black men are sent to prison. That they are leaving wives and girlfriends and children at home, and those wives and children women and their partners are left to carry the burden. So it's a feminist issue in that sense it affects, you know, their lives in in huge ways. You know, I think the people think of a criminal Justice entered of crime in policing all this stuff is sort of like a man's world. So I definitely have felt personally as a as a woman trying to do this work a little bit on not taking seriously. Let's put it that way. So for me, that's my sort of personal experience with it. But just sort of observing I have seen somebody like Kelly to me is I don't know how Kelly does what she does every day. I can barely do. I haven't done laundry like three weeks. So I don't have chil- child. Let alone for let alone sort of stuff that she's carrying. So I'm utterly. I have so much admiration for her. She's been a tremendous advocate for Keith. And just a phenomenal person. Everybody who I talked about this case, they wanna talk about Kelly like as subjects in herself because she has been the leader of this fight. Everybody sort of backed keep the news on TV who supports key is also there for Kelly because she's a phenomenal person. She's a born organizer. This may not be what she thought was ever going to be doing. But my God, she's good at it. So I've just sorry that it had to happen because of something so tragic and unnecessary in Kelly foaling, the with the media calling you in natural organizer, you have your group Baltimore block. And what can you tell us about boats more block, Baltimore, blah is in aggressive organization that was around a while even before Freddie on the kind of always the homeless. They kinda always had like books for the kids in. They just. Kinda were a group of everyday people in ethic that that you know, million all of the things that I have responsible Baltimore black that everyday people with husbands girlfriends in children, you know, they kinda just throw themselves in wherever they're needed. So when Friday with Tyrone west into one Jones, they Hannah advocated for her with Greg Byrne thing, they are very instrumental and Mela MOS b actually being elected. They kinda got behind her in the election against burn seeing end in kinda, you know, was with her, and they support it to wander Jones than when Freddie gray came in the uprising they were you know, right there on the front line. You know, everywhere helping out the community in when this thing happened with Keith for longtime by myself just kind of new in China work through these things and one of the black members one of the actually funders of black e reached out to me. And then it you. Just kind of be him. And I and then I kinda he kinda brought me into around the other members have kind of connected in head my own personal experience with all of them. So they are they are the real deal. One of the things that you'll see in Baltimore in a million probably tell you. I'm the least clique's person ever. I kind of have mine. Aside. I for everybody. There are a lot of organizations that kinda was here in kind of lingered before the uprising, and there are others kinda start. You know, they they kind of built up from the ashes of the uprising, and they all have different motives than intentions in in struggles in and things that they wanna be privy to. But black to me is the real deal. They have no agenda. They have no perfect a victim or someone who support they are here for everyone in anything. And I think that that is something that I've learned in the situation is important is that you know, you can't kind of pick and choose what to support what to uplift in elevate. You know, they will kinda go in support everyone in. I think that they don't ask to Lutely don't get the recognition that they deserve because they're not in the spotlight because they're not, you know, acting for monetary grant. It's or that, you know that just not on the scene. They a lot of their work does not get recognized. And I think that that is a true testament to that they're the real deal and discuss roots organization game yet, they're not into politics at all. So, you know, they don't have these things that they take a stance on issue wise. But then behind the scenes, they're, you know, making sort of excuses, you know, for certain people because that that person in power is giving them some support on this one issue until they're going to overlook what they're doing another issue like block to be is a they have their principles at the forefront. And they are also they don't use victims. They only ever work in tandem with the family members of victims of police brutality. If the family members want them, and then they take their they sort of follow their lead. So, you know, you don't hear about lock because block is not out there promoting themselves. But I think they are some of the most organized true like principal people I've ever met, and I yeah. Their support for Kelly over the last few years has been tremendous, and I can say that actually when I first started doing research into the kief case, I obviously read all the press coverage of it and the most valuable information, I got about Keith's case, particularly when it all the trials was through Kelly, of course, also through various block members and other members of team Keith who would, you know, at during court breaks in stop would live tweet certain things that were happening in the courtroom, and they were catching things that I think because of their familiarity with the case they were catching things that reporters were not catching. And so when I was sort of going starting my initial research, I sort of wet through I went back all the way to the beginning of of time to like, you know, June seventh on two thousand fifteen on Twitter, and I went through every single tweet. And I really sort of started compare what I will say is that like having now listened to all the trials have looked at a lot of evidence. Everything that they had been tweeting is spot on. And, you know, so in addition to being really sort of dedicated they are smart thorough, and they were catching things that reporters weren't catching. So to end they're just doing it for love out of genuine belief in in this case in Keats innocence. You have the suspect's fingerprints at the crime scene. You have witnesses testifying. They saw the suspect commit the crime. The suspect has a motive it's an open and shut case. Or is it each week the podcast original, not guilty examines? Controversial criminal cases and tries to determine why solid evidence doesn't always lead to a conviction. What police consider compelling evidence against Casey Anthony in the disappearance of daughter Kayleigh defense attorneys classified as fantasy forensics, and she was ultimately acquitted of Kelly's murder, Amanda Knox or four years in an Italian prison for murder before later being acquitted was the media portrayal of knocks the profile the killer were televised characterists S nation and sometimes jurors responsible for wrongful convictions. As was the case in the central park five or convicted despite DNA evidence showing none of the suspects were involved. Search for an subscribed to not guilty wherever you listen to podcasts. Again, searched not guilty or visit podcast. Com slash not guilty to listen now. Right in one interesting component of this. Of course, as you know, with all this reporting is we're gonna have this fifth trial presumably this summer, and from what either of you seen for these sort of second third fourth trials how history selection, God, do you have concerns about sort of tainted jury pool may be not having the complete picture his part of the goal with this group in the podcast and everything to sort of flesh out. This picturing give some of the real facts in this case. I definitely the jury that jury education jury selection in the city is something that really grinds my gears. I don't believe the jurors that keep a mind you teeth has been before sixty jurors. So I don't believe they are a joy of his peers, I just don't they are usually people that would not be able to relate to his life past or press. And I think that that something that is really really problem. Some in the city, I think also the education of jurors in the way that they're instructed in in, you know, all of these things are things that this the manically is very poor in Baltimore. And no one's doing anything about it. And in you know, when I when I see people be transparent say, hey, I just got off jury their stories are always the same it. It's always the lack of education the lack of perspective Susan from Roland park. Could never understand why a black man in park heights would ever run from the police. They would never understand that these guys are rast in beat on. And just kinda basically torment from the time that they're old enough to be outside alone without an adult, and I think that that is an issue. And I think that that's unfortunately, one of the advantages that the state absolutely exploits. Right. Well, I wanted to turn some social media questions. Our first question is an interesting one gets asked a lot in regard to this case as well. As the criticize lowers case, this is by birdie, her Twitter handle is at least M K sixty seven. Thanks for great podcast. I'm hooked me be charged for the same crime over and over again. Isn't there double jeopardy in the USA? Thanks, lisa. And so we have this question. Yeah. You might come in thinking, you know, how in the world is you prosecuted not just twice but three four now five times and Kelly from the perspective of not being involved in the criminal system before house reprising was it to you when he gets prosecuted over and over again, it's bag surprising. Everyone will tell you that. I don't sleep at night kind of sit research, but Amelia can tell you I can kinda shout out case law and stuff like a have a law degree. It's apprising when you really because you know, will week the the only experience double jeopardy, I have movie would Ashley Judd. If needed we I met like, okay? This is up while you had a crack at the F word in work in this is over how can they do this? And then when you really kinda go and look into what the statute actually says in. That's like, hey, until the case is resolved with a an acquittal or a a guilty finding, you know, something called what was it manifests? Mississippi. Double jeopardy doesn't attach itself. So you can't really. So you think about double jeopardy in the statue? Basically says you can't be kinda put for with four kind of mess yourself up with giving your case in in maybe subjecting yourself to further penalties. But if there is no resolve in this is a encase case. It was the same weapon that they're leading. But it's a different set from stances so same day same weapon, but a different set of circumstances. So a centrally different charging document, and double deputy is just doesn't attach yourself in to me. That is just like they need to put that in the fine plant or they needed to show that in the movie somehow. Yeah. That's the thing in this case is that what we haven't quite gotten into yet night. I wanted the first episode to kind of leave people with the sort of WTI feeling because the sort of explanation behind that is still plenty WTI f-, but it does make more sense. So there are two cases that he has been charged for there was the initial case that was immediately sort of tied directly somewhat to the police involved shooting in the garage. But then there is another case that has been tried over and over and over again. So there was the first case that is related to the police involved shooting. But then after that was all settled all of a sudden this other case came out of the the woodwork. So and that's the one that has been tried multiple times. And that's because every time it's gone to trial. It has not ended in the resolution that Kelly mentions. So a lot of prosecutors would. After pun getting a hung jury as with the case that the first murder trial that we have a quite talked about yet. But you know, at a certain point prosecutors sort of have to reassess they look at the case, then they decide. Okay. Do we do we have enough here? We were able to convince a jury do we wanna try to sit get and as Moesby did with the officers in the gray case, you know, after losing four of those trials she took a look in and decided that they couldn't do it again that they didn't the chances of them winning were were not going to happen. And so she dropped the case. And that's actually what is so kind of infuriating about the case against Davis junior is that she has persisted in prosecuting him over and over again, and has apparently not done that same sort of assessment of the case because they keep bringing it to trial. The next question's from Lisa. Angela her Twitter handle is at Peake Alah nineteen twenty two and she writes, I found this very confusing. Shots were fired. Davis. Understandably ran what's he being target is the person who committed the initial shooting wouldn't there be others in the market to establish. He was they're buying cigarettes. Does any of that matter? So the shooting that happened was in the garage. But there is a sort of incident that precedes that immediately before it that he is charged for that's where this sort of episode where Robbie of sort of the next episode is going how he's been charged with seventeen charges related to this incident, including armed robbery etcetera. So yes, if he had nothing to do with that you would think, oh, this is a public area. Surely, there's all these cameras all this potential evidence. Witnesses we can interview to make sure he's the right guy as we will sort of dive into this next episode the inves-. Instigation that happened first of all wise, real conflict of interest because there are two things that should have been investigates. Separately. There's the police involved shootings. So the sort of shooting by the officers their use of force, and that's an internal sort of administrative policy assessment sort of looking at whether or not the officers use necessary force, and then from there the state's attorney's office could consider charges against the officers. But then separately if they the officers believed that he was guilty of this other crime than they are free to investigate that if they want to but that should have been done by entirely separate unit in tireless separate detectives. Because I mean, that's an obvious kind of conflict of interest. And that is you'll find out did not at all happen. And so, you know, who's dental enough the sort of things that you would think. A police department would do to establish that somebody has committed a specific crime were not really done. I mean, of course, we're also talking about the Baltimore police department where even if they're not trying to cover their own ass. They're not doing topnotch police work, and I feel very confident saying that not sorry. Emilia that sounds like that's a good transition into what the audience is going to have an episode to. And so I guess the final question I ask is to you Kelly night is is there any possibility in this case that if Baltimore offered a very favorable plea deal to Keith that he would consider it. Or is this something we're no way. No how he's gonna fight to prove his innocence. And he would never accept any type of plea deal in this case. Well, it's something that has quite naturally comes up, and to be honest with you out be completely honest Keith has been beaten down a lot from this especially because he shot so he's suffering physically as well. As with doing all of this in there has been multiple times that he's like, hey, if they need to take it. I just wanna come home and for me because I have now learned this criminal Justice system. I have now learn. And kinda how it tunes up especially after mills in income spits them out, and they do it with these deals for me. There's a no essentially a plea deal for Keith would be on. I think that people also kind of to get that, you know, you plead out always I mean, there's an out for plead, but a lot of times in Baltimore, Maryland movies case, my research tells me is that she does not take out, please. She wants you to plead to exactly what it is that she's accusing you of and for me, I how I get Keith around is to kind of be like, hey, you know, before I used to be aggressive and B Y what Beal because if you take a you don't have a home to come home to. So you know, what what are you gonna do? And now, you know, I've kinda headset. Like, you know, why would you do that you suffer gone do this? And then you're gonna essentially kinda give yourself scarlet letter. You know, you're gonna not be able to get a job because this is gonna be on your record. And that's gonna. Cripple us financially. Even if you wanted to start your own business people today, Google people that's gonna show up that's going to be there. So you know, you you kinda gotta fight through this. And he will come back and say, you know, maybe need to be a little bit more patient. So as a right now, the only thing that we're interested in is keeping completely vindicated. And I don't see how a deal could do that. And as a right now, he's on the same page of me would cheat normally is so no, absolutely. Killing a million. Thank you so much for joining today for the disclose the Denham in like very much forward to seeing where you're taking the strain XP episode. So thanks again. Thanks so much for listening to this special addendum episode of undisclosed. I'd like to think the following people had a McCarthy for audio production Baluch for our logo Patrick Cortez. Mir-mira Marquez for theme music and taught Tallahassee our executive producer. 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Of Arta which is a unique peak logistics company in the world so welcome. Thanks thanks for having me. It's good to be here so Adam. Tell us a little bit. What art is yeah definitely so we can buy technology and logistics to focus on the movement of high end goods are on oral like <music> are uninsured antiques durie on trying to combine both a six platform with deep industry expertise our expertise rather to provide an alternative at two people who really rely on both Fedex but also the antiquated supply chains inexpensive fragile at irregular items items around the world are in snow? How did you get into this? What were you in logistics before now? I wasn't didn't really deepen logistics. I've always really intrigued <unk>. I had a business previously called art space which was a platform not trying to make art and design. I objects accessible to of our audience. We were ECOMMERCE platform. What I started recognizing overseen that operation has never been easier to you buy but next image but it's really difficult to get items from point for destructive exiting instruct nip at Xbox we were dealing with items needed uh-huh specialized packing needed extra services Alec Insurance Insulation Creating and leave the common carriers like Fedex E._d._s. d._H._l.? Don't offer that we found ourselves position states. We didn't have a solution that can automatically output shipping price completed transaction. It's it's similar. You know that you are trying to buy something Amazon and you could get a price at shipping Fedex even if it was twenty five or thirty thirty dollars you know be tough for you to Kinda. WanNa pin is Arnaud so no are primarily do you serve people who are selling online questions are may kind of customer customer base our merchants and sellers that are high volume <hes> highly so ranges from large auction houses to our dealers offers <hes> we don't focus as much on individual we shift to a lot of individuals where it's focused on salaries and try to streamline their wholesale just in the example that I like to give is the onus on shipping is oftentimes unstability seller <hes> maybe to employ large amounts of people that are really hadn't logistics currently <hes>. There's a lot to stitch together. I in last mile basis on the other hand. You should eat something that you know is Fedex U._P._S.. Level you don't need a large staff automatically. Get a radio chip any kind of allow sellers to really optimize slimmed-down up their their operations so in in a sense you are providing what Amazon provides almost invisibly when I buy a book Amazon does all of this in I I have no idea but when I look into it it's it's an enormous operation. Nasr is accurate. I mean we we live in a world now where consumers in salaries and really everyone <unk> has kind of Fedex and Amazon like expectations and that really is focused more on what we like L.. Everyday binds implodes remind iphone you know you're buying line skis and stuff and you can tap into that infrastructure really I if you're not whether you're buying a table or chair or or piece of our worker you know somebody like collectible kind of have that experience our view is that we can bill that experience really matches expectations of it's a big opportunity but it really allows you know commerce city in areas that are not normal every well. I remember forty years ago. When I was research in college? I was in Boston for the summer and I was driving back to university in Fort Worth in and I I took a drive giveaway car because somebody was on the in Boston wanted to get their car to taxes and that was the logistics right. They paid me a little little bit and I got free transportation to Texas of a year ago. My son had been living here and he moved back to Warwick Massachusetts institutions and the day before he was moving. He called up a car mover. They were here the next day with their trailer and boom off they they went. That's not what you're doing right. I mean you know it's it's very fragmented. Across the supply routes <unk> there are people that just focused on local regional national is sometimes it should just go between Fort Worth New Yorker New York Chicago and a the half extra truck looking but at the same token. If you know shipper they can't always service we need so we review that if we really add you bovine technology across it it makes it easier to dissect the carriers the pricing would provide a consolidated went for the buyer and seller through the easier to transact all alternately grow their businesses attract customers around all right so so you're you're the back end. Logistics person for the company wants is to work with you. Were that you know the the main idea to is that a lot of these industries that are servicing have really proliferated online as much in our Cathy's. This is a lot of that is because people are willing more and more you know over the last five or ten years to Fi- you know higher priced items on live so that the fastest growing e commerce commerce <unk> today <hes> in the United States is not conveyed <unk> that stuff that is cannot be going to automates Phillips. Well like wayfair right exactly exactly so that. That's you know that's twenty percent a year year. <hes> it's a massive industry growing faster than Kinda regularly commerce and finding the logistics solutions to service <unk> commerce is a big cuter are until so I'm GonNa Imagine something here where we're now we <hes> Lodged in high speed Internet in low prices there <hes> when India bills a couch are you in a position to deliver that head to Muncie Indiana well we are in a position now to do that and we are getting to the point now where we are automated essentially essentially across multiple categories service so the problem with shipping things you can't fedex is that it's inherently a bit more expensive. Obviously obviously you put an iphone and ship it on the ground. That's GONNA cost fifteen dollars. You know to go to that network. If you're shipping tonight on the couch you know account how can be anywhere from five hundred dollars the five fifty to fifty thousand dollars people kind of equate the cost to shit as a percentage of the overall rights so we're trying to provide <unk> saving time as money in that we can make instantaneous to get a quote amend bringing down the price by peeling away layers so there's less subcontracting but ultimately yes we would like to have a seller in India ah being able to instantaneously transact with a buyer in Muncie Indiana Anna net buyer would be able to see transparently seen with their costs would be trying to buy that actually could know what they're all in costs are crossed the item <music> shipping the import tax so on and so forth and make it as totally <unk> well right now. If I wanted to buy a couch I would go to a local store or in chances are they would say great will have it to you in six weeks because they're going to North Carolina to have built poked they'll have shipped out in the not delivered to my house and so if if someone were to offer me a comparable or maybe even <hes> more customized couch and they're in India without you I would be reluctant to enter into that conversation nats. That's exactly right. I think that's why sometimes people people don't buy things that are further distances away because it potentially be more expensive on on on the flip side. A lot of businesses are really strained to where they're selling because they don't have international logistics solutions so that that you know a business Zenia or artisan would make your upstate New York or or you know the valley in California might not be able to sell to anyone outside other areas because you don't have an easy way to get cost and really the entire supply chain well in in one of the things that that Amazon the prime has done to my mind and maybe to the general consumers minds. I no longer look at the price for shipping right now. It's obviously costing something to ship in with Amazon. They're dropping the price generally lower than what I'm GonNa find in the bookstore but inaccurate when I when I begin to think about purchasing couch the couch is being sold to me in the same way that Amazon sells. They don't say to me. We're we'RE GONNA shift this from North Carolina and here's the shipping cost. They just say this is a total cost in so that is because they they know what the costs are right away and put together a business case that Errol E. Ten twenty. Whatever another shipping is the fire customer? We're trying to tell people that you know now for items that you can't buy Amazon or you can often get a rate we we can give you the rates. You can make that businesses to hey I know the custody presided this. I'm willing to eat shipping to try to make a sale or wide I offer fifty percent shipping the lower the cost of lower barriers to to that sale or if if my cost of manufacturer is is low enough then I can simply say I'll ship it for free and it'll still provide a margin for me and you don't. I'll have to worry about it. Just click here and it's on the way Zachary amazing is that logistics is really the Achilles heel a global global commerce trade and if it stays so fragmented. It's difficult we have you know one of our users in New York Chris Tierney our they're small business for ten years. You know previously they employ someone who literally told us they had called twelve hundred vendors to get twelve hundred Biz. I tried to find the right person for the job. That's you know that's a lot of overhead in some cost to try to ship one thing by herself. So if he's if he's he's salaries increase <unk> by better easier <hes> you know that that's a win win for all sites so you're participating globalization not by outsourcing but by creating a way for a foreign <hes> foreign manufacturer actuary to ship in <hes> <hes> especially if they can reduce their manufacturing costs to to ship at a competitive price that's exactly right right and the other side of the two is that we're allowing people here. <hes> the example I like is that you know Fedex U._p._S.. With kind of B e Commerce Revolution Solution one point out. Let's say a candle maker offerings to to sell someone in Hong Kong because they didn't have to worry about house together. We want want to allow for people to expand their audience <unk> scale for areas outside of geographies privacy and give me a list of things that people couldn't put into Fedex box no well the the kind of you know these are selling that we're looking at are really items that are fragile valuable <hes> large Fedex U._P._S.. They're called all convey able items because they literally go in an automated facility so they can't handle that under pounds and there'd been pushing <unk> automatically which is not really being handled as well as they could so if you have a glass space you have a couch you have a car. You're you have some deputies of medical manufacturer women's. You know that stuff needs to be handled by a subset of providers lung first middle last mile L. which usually takes a lot of time to get it because he had to ask people. I have trusted providers lung way between those people that have specialization eat people that go go into an environment actually was that it arrived safe when they come inside and saw the other side making sure that can't get caught up in customs uh-huh because a lot of times you different codes and harmonize <unk> articulated these other areas that they're not held up. You know there's a lot of things that go into <hes> which is why it's so difficult. We think that U._p._S. Enters vendors to reach out to <unk> asselot forcibly creates a mastery third so if someone wanted to <music> <hes> be a seller of used a Tesla's they could put together a database of of us. WHO's TESCO's around the country in you could be the deliverer the logistical solution for them correct <unk> clear? WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT AT A- At cars getting done a little bit but we haven't automated that were were getting there soon. Our main focus right now is our furniture furniture design objects and jewelry for that is that is the idea all right so let's shift to to the entrepreneur's journey talk to us about how you started. Where did you come up you know what was the where? Where were you sitting when you head this idea yeah I think I think entrepreneurs kinda come from two angles? It's IT'S I. I want to start a business ad. I want to figure out where the juries are kind of doing a top down analysis of it. I think there's there's knee which is really more of the bottom up. Is they see not a problem. Andhra most problems come opportunities and I think I was in that situation at my previous business where it was just very obvious to me that there is a lot of items that people interact with every day that you cannot just instantaneously get a rate for there's a way to serve that entity ecommerce settings that all of a sudden allows more people to engage in commerce and become an enemy we saw that at our last isn't that as we committee grow <hes> we didn't have a way to put shipping costs and I started to talk to our users our users to you guys deal with shipping these items and they would say oh you have to call on people and it's a huge pain. Actually there had to be a solution for it and it wasn't <hes> and I think it was really trying to solve a problem that we had in recognizing. Mahathir wasn't sure they wasn't a solution that was like all right so you have the idea then what they give me a million dollars in they did alright yeah. Well exactly well. Our users pretty much said you know if you find a solution. We love you forever so I learned a lot I I didn't we know about this kind of <hes> other tag logistics infrastructure that was outside of the United States are servicing that exide really learn a lot more about about the freight forwarders specialize logistics industry and we raised a precede round of a million dollars in two thousand sixteen Alex is really what we launched the business to really bring it more from from ideas as to reality and and you know a year or so ago so raise another three million dollars and now you know it really paid it from a this is just focused on the United States <hes> to transfer things on on the ground to a business that really has automated entire crises side of things <hes> on a global scale across fifty countries in over seven hundred cities so all sorry so you hit the then deer than your customers and you really started off with with Dan Sullivan says talked to the people who are gonNA write a check yet right right yeah. I think I think a Hologram you know the San Francisco Y combinator investor he always says says you know you gotta start out doing things that are not skilled so we really did was we started out with no technology all I hired someone who had experience in the shipping inside <unk> relationships on the demand side. I am sort of going to the demand side say hey let us know your should this stuff. We want to try to get competitive bids US demonstrate through value to them our supplier network <hes> an-and Neto started to build some technology in between to try to bring in a bit war on so you know it started out no technology at all more kind of an offline broker learning as much as he could and inserted accountable in some of the technology all right so you had the idea in then you went to the people who could write a check and said what if yeah right yeah we said what if what if you didn't have to reach out to three or four people each time what if it didn't have to take a week to get a quote back you know what if your customers give me happy regret Majori out suitor. What have you can reach people online distribution channel versus offline and the answer is for pretty astoundingly that would be amazing if you to make it happen you know we we would use you and and that was true? Okay all right okay eight then what you've gotta prove a concept right. You're making a little margin. You hired a logistics experience. reince logistic may be a guru but at least he's got experience in logistics right. Okay the way that I kind of the analogy I can use for for for entrepreneurship instead of building a business dispatch is really you know you you drop some water on the sidewalk or on on side a little hill bill and it's not a straight line. They're trying to see the data go to really get to the virus the nation I think that's really really a truthful we try to do which is that you have. An idea of vision of you need to be guided by asking questions and really reading reading the date. It's enough response. We talked to people is all the thing that people backwards this. This is great. You're really good but you know our biggest challenge outside has gathering hosted really dealing with the shipping is international so is it okay. We started out on the domestic side. It's working really well obviously as want to have a more global solution so needed to build a more global solutions alleged ex- expanded our platform anarchy abilities are international now. Dan Philbin talks about about finding the WHO rather than the how is that true for you. Yeah I mean I think the concept that we kinda subscribe to the idea of a product market fit. which is you know you? You're building something but you need to get it to point where your demand side. <hes> can't live without budget and I think that that's exactly what you're you're trying to get at. We found something that people like but we needed to get to a point where they said. If you guys a lot of business or just <unk> <unk> at the snap we are live. We fundamentally think about your iphone Amazon. All these things people pool they went away. People will say my life is definitively worse and that's how we WANNA get we want we want to influence the way the way people operate you know so substantially financially that they become so dependent on us that they can't live without us naturally what we're what we're attracted to improving right now. So what's the size of your organization terms of people now real people front. We are H.. E. People out. We've we've got a lot of the little we have an office in London. <HES> ORGANIZATIONS SPLIT UP tween operations the events that are going out product and technology marketing and client services and so <music>. How do you hire who who gets into those seats yeah I it's interesting you know were worried? Organization that is kind of melding two different worlds <unk> logistic -nology people from those worlds agree different. You know so half our organization <hes> is is kind of start up. Technology veterans and part of the organization are people that are from logistics will historically <hes> has a lack of technology so trying to trying to get the technology acknowledged side to understand okay you know the people that are going to be talking to whether it's internally or the shippers or users kind of our tax bursts and then on the other side is trying to get the people that you might not have the technology Beckmann <unk> boxer stand that we're trying to change the status quo jaded with happen so it's fun. It was learning different perspectives in trying to melt them together in trying to find really that at our outside the box leaders understand that the world is constantly changing every six to twelve months. You have a thesis that you might need just a little bit. <hes> two brothers yeah all right so people London people in New York. You got people in L._A.. We would not yet we have you know we we do a lot of business in L. A. L. as our second biggest market stab as I mentioned we bought him in pricing. One of the features that we have is instinct motives of the EH. The biggest route that we have in terms of people utilize that it's quote future is l.. A. New York New York L._A.. so-and-so for so that that corridor as our the second biggest market so we do a lot in L._A.. In Chelsea forty general what are the tools. Did you use to sink your various various offices US internally. I mean slack slack. You know that obviously has been making a lot of noise if they just went public <hes> you know we really liked that internally. <hes> we use g mail as our kind of our the docks you so you can use whether it's the you know the excel function or the or the spreadsheet function <hes> we use dropbox a lot you know for for taking notes you kind of the customer reviews and if you internal tools intercom to help manage marketing customers alleys Meta base which sits on top of Arcane base as we can easily pull information those those are kind of name a stripe in an ad in the US prosper payments and you know we live in a world where you you don't have to build out as much as right he just on and that's the world you're building to write adapted to go. Get a truck or trailer. We live in a world of specialization that that that helps both in trying to build with this but also works to build a business for for people focus <unk> in selling on necessarily logistics supply chain Royd it while we're we're coming to the time where you've got something else coming up so tell us a little bit. What would you like to tell the world aww I can tell you my view are kind of thesis world is that it's bill on outdated commerce stack and that Commerce Act is so a lot of work call line everyday items and that's that's stuff that you buy an Amazon Ebay you know chip with Fedex in process with pay pal and that's taxied innovated on a lot with drones owns and driverless cars with their entire world out there that I feel like this kind of going the way side that has massive opportunities after buyers and sellers? We're really trying to rick non was barriers. Make it as easy to buy and sell you know P._t.. Now are beautiful beautiful selected light and as it is an iphone or water bottlers headphones. I think we're we're getting there but it's really trying to change the way people can operate that happens <unk> hurdle time Bob so choose a little bit of trying to push forward. What would you like people to do what I do well? I think they should check this out. I guess the at our website is shift Arte S. H.. E. A. R. T. A. DOT COM <hes> we love to try to streamline <unk> process. Hopefully enabling ECOMMERCE people that are trying to set Sherifi store are trying to sell some stuff at auction and hopefully allow all these precious beautiful items our shooting to to to proliferate more broadly and you know the in people's homes and more enjoyable at hopefully allow businesses to raise their hardens in in other businesses and so on social couch manufacturers in India right right good so email email address due dot com. Hello Ship Arte want to say hello with A._P._I.. Our coming out with us so any online seller online marketplace for solving a problem after those Kinda guys or gals were and the left the <unk> product out there work. You're able commerce. Thanks for sharing sharing all this wonderful entrepreneurial insight that you're experiencing. It sounds like there's a lot of fun. <hes> let's let's plan to have another conversation in stay in touch right conceded. Thanks all right folks. <hes> there's another great example of how to thrive make your business thrive. We talk specifically about California but here's the guy who's coming into the port of Los Angeles part of Long Beach. If from New York in GONNA help provide a lot more logistical insight support for <hes> artists musicians <hes> shippers manufacturers in California so another way okay for businesses in California to thrive. You've been listening to the pilgrim on the four. Oh five with will Chris you. 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To the moon and beyond 4: What's the point of going back to the moon?

To the moon and beyond

35:57 min | 1 year ago

To the moon and beyond 4: What's the point of going back to the moon?

"Who Actually owns the moon? Stick speaking no one or probably it's a bit more precise to say allstate's jointly owned the moon because it's an international territory which can never become part of the national territory of one single state. This is friends vander dunk professor of space law at the University of Nebraska Lincoln in the U._S.. I asked him about what laws are in place to govern the moon and he told me that legally the moon can't be owned by any one country. This was enshrined in something called the Outer Space Treaty signed way back in nineteen sixty seven two years before Neil Armstrong and Baldwin had even set foot the lunar surface but France told me that the legal status of any resources found on the moon Rice's a whole other set of questions particularly for those who want to go and extract them. Does this calmed status is Global Common State is off the moon. I mean that's all the resources of the moon arte common property of mankind as well or are they by contrast resources that every individual state is entitled to harvest so if you get to the moon it's not clear yet whether you can just take whatever you want and even if you get there find loads of valuable minerals and set up an actual mining base you'll face a second legal question while it is also not possible legally at least to permanently occupy the moon as a consequence with the absence of territorial sovereignty the question is how long are you entitled to use it that there's no coalition Asian or putting the installation on the Mon doesn't mean that you're entitled to run the installation for five years or for fifteen years of four hundred years before it's runs into the violation of permanent occupation so the law is unclear how how long you're allowed to stay or set up camp for and then Francaise you'd face a third issue around who could go nosing around your mining installation. There is a principal free access to the facilities of everyone everyone else on the moon on the basis reciprocity but at the same time there is a requirement to refrain from harmful interference now when is a visit for example to another mining insulation. When is that harmful interference? What does the freedom of XS this means so those those are basically two three main issues that need to be solves in order to get a proper regime for for mining moon in the previous episode of to the moon and beyond a podcast series from the conversation we heard about today's new space race and the many countries and companies entering the fray in this episode we'll be looking at what is drawing so many of these missions back to the lunar surface and what other practical legal and ethical questions facing racing those who want to set up a base that and potentially start mining on the moon? I'm Miriam Frankel Science editor at the conversation U._K.. And I'm Martin Archer Space Plasma physicists at Queen Mary University of London and you're listening not the moon and I think it's a an experienced. It's not only physically different but allows you to have a bigger picture where we are our universe in no other country has undertaken a lunar landing program basically because it's still hard. It's still very expensive and at least is an argument of whether it's worth doing or not I wish is that this should internationally diver rather than necessary competition spreading across our solar system is the same thing to do. It's both smart thing in terms of making us more resilient as basis but I also think I think this is a way of opening up to the potential of humanity on Apollo eleven so the Americans call it a lunar surface assets. It sounds pretty boring. Well actually is at Marian is just another name for Year I might call moon base and that's a has plans under what's called the artists program artists being the twin sister of blow in Greek mythology to to set up by twenty twenty eight and that's to have what they called a sustained human presence on the moon which is funny because actually NASA already has a mission currently in operation called Artemis which is in orbit around the moon so they're using the name twice <hes> but really twenty twenty eight is not far away. I mean less than a decade. We could have people living on the moon. That's crazy well. That is the plan and the Americans aren't the only ones who want to start living on the moon. Somebody else might even get their first. In April this year. The Chinese have said that they want to build a scientific based on the moon South Pole and that's within the next ten years and surely the Russians will be getting in there as well Yep Yep they want to set up camp too but it might take them a bit longer so last last year. The Russian Space Agency Roscosmos said that it wants to set up a colony on the moon by twenty four t which is a bit further in the future but I mean according to that it seems like Americans might get there. I I wonder actually if in fact it's GONNA end up being an international collaboration right. We don't have the political tensions that means that we have to have a space race. You see what the International Space Station. There's a lot more collaboration even when politically things on always great between the nation's I wonder terrific all going to get together and do something bigger collaboratively. I think that means I mean the U._S.. Will certainly be involved because they're open to collaborate with other countries whereas some countries such as China. They're more likely to want to do these things completely -pletely on their own which means that they might actually take a bit longer even though they are also planning on going back there yeah the things might change we don't we have to look to the future just not too far in the future where kind of jumping ahead of ourselves here and you know with all this talk of of setting up a base again on the moon. I'm still wondering is not really got any safer as it well this different elements to that I think because I think we comparing to the Apollo missions a lot of the dangers as well as there's a natural environment of space itself was literally in the space exploration. I think we've demonstrated that. We're a lot better at that. Now we've developed technology. We're aware of a lot more of the risks. Even though we still do see we do get rocket. Explosions and things like dot says it is still inherently risky but I think the exploration aspect is probably a little safer than it was fifty years ago but as we've talked about before you haven't changed the fact that radiation in spaces is ready not a a great thing damaging cosmic rays and from the sun we talked about that in a previous episode and the inherent sort of degradation of the human body just by being off of this planet says well we decided to call up a doctor to find out what other problems going to space can call to the human body my name stuck to rowing Christianson. I'm a medical educator. At the University of Melbourne she looks at what happens to the body in extreme environments armaments including in space and when I asked her what risks there are of being in space or on the moon for long periods of time. She said that the worst side effects actually happened after only forty eight hours that can include altered altered immune function volume shifts so you tend to get a fluid shift from the bottom half of your body to the top half of your body and get a puffy face and your sense of smell gets diminished so that's a bit like when you're on an airplane and everything kind of tastes and smells different and that's pretty well understood the tissues get a bit woche locked it like when you have a cold and you've we've Lucy since smell and actually I'm taste is very closely tied to yo censored smells so if your ability to smell is obstructed in some way than potentially see that's going to affect your taste as well and so the astronauts in needed National Space Station often ask for food that sort of malls spy seat than tonight with normally like tweet on. The count tastings as well as they would. There can be another potentially more serious side effects of having more fluid and so more pressure in your head that is that astronauts fusion can be affected and and the shape they've eyeball can actually change and the some astronauts sets meant. They've been left with long-term visual changes as a result that is pretty concerning once you get back to us. The body doesn't correct itself and go back to normal it doesn't do that for everyone and Reno told me that some astronauts have been left actually needing to wear glasses and so that could be a bit of a concerned if astronauts are traveling for six to eight months to go away to Mars <hes> astronaut still going to get there with good enough vision to be able to to all the things that they need to do and actually one of the side effects which the Apollo astronauts noted was the they had impaired ability to evaluate distance and so that could potentially be risky thing in terms of landing space craft safely while so even even just the short term threat to the moon they were still seeing these sorts of problems so it's only going to be worse on trips to Mars but I mean there are other effects as well. What about motion sickness from living in an environment without gravity? Yeah Ruina has had that can be a big problem in the first couple of days the balance system in your in ear. I longer knows whether your your oppo down what sideways and so it gets terribly confused and so there's always had possibility of nausea. Being sick is bad enough on earth and I don't want to imagine vomiting in zero gravity. Just go every way but Ruina told me that actually the lack of gravity has too much more serious consequences your muscles start to lose mass because they don't have to work against gravity any more and that includes the heart which is basically just divide up muscle and also you bone mineral density tends to decrease and even with the Gemini and Apollo missions which didn't last more than about two weeks in total they I noticed a loss in in Bandon city of round to default percent so to combat this weakening effect that zero gravity has on your muscles and bones astronauts aboard the International Space Station exercise around around two hours a day strapped to kind of treadmill and they also pump weights but as we can say it doesn't completely combat the side effects because when they come back to they have to be carried out of the captial so for any people living on the moon in the future Rowena arena says that exercise will be essential for instance on the moon because the Moon Ernie has point one six of the gravity of earth so that's really not going to be anywhere near enough to counter the effects of Vanowen in microgravity and the other thing that people often forget about two is that if you won't be able to maintain healthy the body and a healthy muscle mass you going to need the right kind of nutrients are going to need it balance nutritious diet and that set certainly possible where earth is able all to supply that kind of balance nutritious start and so to pack up and send it to to the base but I think it's a lot more interesting issue for for long-term settlements in terms of will they be able to grow enough of the right kind of food to actually keep people healthy and I think that's going to be a major challenge. If you saw the film the Martian with Matt Damon I mean he he was making potatoes and even he got sick of them even with all the catch up and stuff like that so even if you get off of the space ration pox it could still not that great right yeah about space ration pox they do see <music> awful. I think the look of adventure food or even my child's baby food I found it hard to even taste it. It just looks disgusting. Wall Street is very important part of life certainly mine. They're all going to be other problems. Facing a Luna base with people living on the main problem that will face on the moon is the fact that day is about twenty nine Thursday non this is Frederick Moran and Astrophysicist the Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory at the University of Strasbourg France he says because if there's a long day and night humans living on the moon we'll have a completely different body clock you will have two weeks of sunlight followed by two weeks night so it means that the production of energy using lead say solar panels we not be possible unless we wlob very very rich and an empty storage unions so basically leaving an walking on the moon. We'll I'll have a totally different scandal as on earth and so these are not very strong impact on to humans on top of this the surface of the moon is covered with dust the big thing and it's why tiny or humans so it means that Earth would be very important to take care of cleaning the doubts out of the men's and out of the gears or where the wound and this is that it will destroy slowly the machineries the wow nice hospitable environment than thought moon-dust is really nasty stuff it clings to absolutely everything and apparently according to the Apollo astronauts they could smell it when they go back into the module had this sort of metallic smell which then almost faded entirely very quickly so actually the moon-dust back here on earth doesn't have the smell date. Wow we wanted to find out why there's so much interest though in going back to the moon again what lies beneath the moon's dusty surface there is so enticing to find out what scientists actually no east then we called up Catherine Joy Royal Society University Research Fellow and geologist in the school of F. and environmental sciences at the University of Manchester in the rethink me on the staff that there are many potential different resources assists available asks the lunar surface this means everything from Walter and oxygen which are useful both within the context of human exploration will building bases atmospheres will teach astronauts nationals to survive on the lunar surface and for use in converting with water and oxygen into rocket fuels propellants for exploration. I the aspects of the Moon will using the moon is a platform access arrested deep space in virus. This is something that Professor Yang Jiao mentioned in the last episode harvesting the world's from the moon splitting that into hydrogen oxygen you can then react them together again and that's essentially what goes on inside Iraq Catherine Joy says that together oxygen you can either heat moon rocks up to really high temperatures all break them up using acid or similar practices and water potentially available both tracked within some of the rocks minerals and also rethink within ice. I suppose it now. This is where things get <unk> controversial. We think that within the Luna polls there are regions of impact craters preserve isis being the nicotine through time however what we don't understand is the distribution I and the depths of that is whether it is solid ice or whether it's kind of particular ice trapped within Mineral Baynes and so the great question we have next is not so much intense. How can we go to mind the moon but first of all we need to understand stands for potential resource as unwed allocated how accessible and we need to develop technology to be able to detect them on extracts them to make them useable products another substance <unk> those as in favor of going back to the moon light to talk about a something called helium three helium three is one of the isotopes all the elements helium which is not comment macfound Helena so helium three is found? <unk> Luna sacrifice because it's been delivered there by the Soda Wind. It's been implanted as the moon poces through face being exposed to radiation from the some and the some than in Plums Humam <unk> directly insects the main because it's not affected by the implementation process happens all the time however they're all set regions the moon when we have high concentrations of this element heating straight we think in particular society the Mineral Ilmenite which is attained him rich mineral which really lost soccer union's structure the reason helium three is so interesting is because it could potentially be used within a nuclear process to make electricity here on re undertake Nikki efficient <unk> power reactors but within the some we have the purchase of Nikiel fusion and if we want to develop clean patient techniques only us we need the element summit heating three to be involved with that price as this is why people suggested the moon will be a great place to go in mind heaves ray potentially bring it back to the to use impeach a clean energy uniquely occasion Kala generation however there is a a lot of controversy about is the moon is really viable results of helium three whilst we know it's their entire abundances in hair on whether it's actually extractable mineable trump's both box the still has to be proven. What else could we find on the moon then if we went digging for it while Joyce says there are some discussions that could be precious metals up there such as platinum group metals gold palladium elements used in mobile phones and the clean energy industry taken the elements on not connie associated with Luna rox themselves however they could be delivered to the Moon Seth is by colliding Makarevich asteroids and so there is a lot of description around finding places on moon wet asteroids <unk> toughest delivering these types of precious metals could be accessible extraction purification so I guess this brings us back to the question of weather? If any future moon missions found any any of these resources what they'd be allowed to do with them well from what we had earlier from France funded dunk it sounds as if the lowest really quite ready for that happen yeah and to find out a bit more about the laws in place we called up another space lawyer. My name is on your muscles and I am an assistant professor and deputy director of the International Institute of Air Space Law at Leiden University in the Netherlands. I asked Tanya about the Moon Treaty also known as the Moon Soon Agreement and international agreements made in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine goes. It's only eighteen countries that have ratified it and a couple more at have signed it <hes> and so it is sometimes referred to as a field treaty because does it is quite controversial. Eighteen ratifications is an a lot and the countries that are signed up are those that you wouldn't associate with space expiration anyway the Netherlands Belgium Paxton Austria so neither the United States nor Russia China India nor Franz have ratified moon agreements that is because mainly because it contains the concept of what is called the common heritage of mankind the treaty cents that the moon and its resources assists and the moon actually implies all celestial bodies the moon and all other celestial bodies are the common heritage of mankind and it is not entirely clear what this means the common heritage of mankind doesn't mean that everything that accompany could could have in prophets from exploiting resources outerspace has to be split among all the countries members of the United Nations what exactly it means is unclear and that is why many states don't like it and will not ratify it so this is different from what was agreed in the outer space treaty signed a decade before nine hundred sixty seven. Yes that's right the outer space treaty contain another concept called the province of mankind which is a little bit more vague egg. If you're like which is perhaps more moral obligation that we have to somehow share benefits and have everyone of course <hes> be part of this new endeavor the Moon Agreement the common heritage principle is that is the reason why streets is not ratified right by mainly to space powers some if none of the spice powers wants to sign the Moon Treaty and if they haven't done cy footy later. It's not really looking likely that it's going to happen. Does that mean the time is nine for another. You might think so but Tanya Mia says that is unlikely to happen either so I'm not very optimistic about the chances of success of having a new treaty and you see in in the world today states are not very willing to give up their sovereignty by adhering to new treaties and you see it in aviation or into area of climate change and other areas so even though there are areas where states should agree on things they usually do that in the form of what we call soft law so non-legally binding principles that do lay down the behavior of state. She says there are certain areas and issues where everybody agrees that rules are needed. I believe that space debris management space traffic management long-term sustainability of space activities and certainly also use of space resources sources are good examples but I expect that it will rather be done into form of guidelines or standards and not really in the form of for new treaty because the geopolitical situation is not very positive about adopting new treaties. She's she's actually been busy over the last few years as part of The Hague International Working Group at collaboration of academics companies and international organizations who are all thinking about what those new guidelines might look like and they're going to be making their ideas or what they call building blocks public towards the end of the year. One of their main ideas is to have legal principles that are adaptive so able to deal with issues as they arrive. We should should look at topics that are going to be happening. I and try to find solutions for those and not look too far in the future for instance we should not now put in stone what is going to be <hes> the framework for bringing back platinum to Earth. I mean clearly we will be using first outerspace resources in outer space so let's look at that but she says a key part of any future framework will be principles of planetary protection so making sure the space environment isn't spoiled for future expiration and we'll be talking a bit more about this and our next episode and considering the problem of humans going to other planets and contaminating them with our alien earth bacteria Korean microbes however on the Moon where pretty sure that there isn't any live so currently but actually there are some ideas that very early in the moon's formation when when it was still volcanically active that could have been the conditions present life so actually the real issue is that if we're going mining the moon we might be destroying the evidence of past life on the main which such as losses exactly or dead microbes or leftover things like that so we don't want to destroy that evidence. If we go up mining the moon yeah that makes a lot of sense but a lot of other people are bit worried because the means really important in stabilizing the but that's not really an issue it would take us like two hundred odd million years so even just mind one percent of the means mass so we shouldn't be worried that is gonNA muck up the environment on earth well. That's a relief I asked France Vendor Dunk about what the punishments would be for those who break International Space Law unfortunately outer space is not different from the international community as hope put in the sense that there is no global police force as global judge who can punish the guilty of violators and we've seen that of course in other areas of the international community as well and the big states are able to get away a bit more or with much more grody than the smallest states so then it boils down into political punishment if the certain state is seeing to violating the international rules swear by itself will by proxy or uh-huh because of his private operators that may be a political punishments. All the states may boycott that states may raise political stink about. It's a look at a harsher punishment look like I mean even if it's hard to actually introduce. Economic Boycotts in any particular context of mining of the moon this of course an interesting option because we should realize that the companies that are at our few companies which have claimed that they are very interested in this possibility in particularly in the United States while obviously companies want to has the largest possible market that they can have which means that they want to be able to sell the stock legally across the world and in particular if we're talking about illegal business where the investment runs into the billions before you get your first resources on the market you don't WanNa then have to start arguing about market access say this would be a little bit like blood diamonds today diamonds that have come from MM conflict zones if resources remind illegally on the moon then the companies or countries that did it might lose a lot of money. Do you think there could ever be a scenario where countries went to war over resources since space and what would that look like I mean would it be similar to the U._S.. China trade war it could well be a obviously if if there are interest at stake of that size you know if we're talking about billions potentially billions or even trillions worth of economic resources than obviously and we've seen throughout history the incentive is there for the states who can get that to try to get as large share as possible and if that's it's not enough for everyone or not enough low hanging fruit for around the likelihood for conflicts is certainly right it will probably start I the level of trade or which is of course in actual war Indiv- physical sense of the word but can already they do a lot of damage to everyone around but if things will escalate as we've seen in the boss economic horse can also lamb escalate into real fighting. I can only say I hope that never happens. I can only say as a lawyer that we can at least help a little bit by creating fair and transparent and legal systems. We can help a little bit in trying to threat that danger wow as a space trade war seems like George Lucas was right with these principles I it sounds kind of exciting and boring at the same time yeah the pre close I asked France whether it's ethical that those who can afford to go and mind the moon do it head and those who can't don't use worth ESCO already so that his question that goes beyond the law itself. I think the answer is a caveat yes yes it's ethical because if you do not allow those who can afford to do its key to go there. We will probably never go that box. We should allow those go ahead within the realm of a solid legal framework which protects the main public interests think about safety think about security ready think about the environment is face debris and also think about at least a level of international sharing. I don't talk about an international the taxation on stuff like that but that should obviously the impossibility for more than just a handful of players to benefit from that has to be a certain system which also allows late commerce still to find a benefit in held up hold up. I getting ahead of ourselves <music> well when we just catherine joy. She said we're still a long way off all of this even if companies can identify where they want Simone and get the funding in place to do it. They're going to face multiple challenges oranges in getting the stuff out so this festival. How do you the soil how do you expect the ground and the type solve technology use the range from small diggers bucket tools through to corey devices it? How do they system to deal with shock abrasive dust working in low gravity environments how it considerations for how those instrumentation can be sustained in a Gerbil white through the lunar nights and three day aging needs to settle Donald Technology? You need to think about nuclear powered radio is type generators and that really depends on way. Oh going on the moon. Do you need to operate in a by code crater environment so you need to have electronic systems that can operate right under extreme cold. Do you need operate within the High Luna daytime so your electronic systems need to lost on two hundred fifty degree heat conditions all those types of things can survive in by Hauch radiation environments and then once you've extracts that Syria how that soil into usable feedstock so you'll have to sit on desegregated getting down to the grain size that you need to protect your final processing tool be it an oven be. It's a microwave Alvan at Beit some sort of cover semi reduction system in a loss of complexities h stage of that production process that technology has to be perfected report KANOBI couplets gets into working system and if you're doing this robotically that requires a lot of things I tell you operations automation of systems or do you crew to do some humans on the second facilitate these types of bright complex operations and so this is what we're communities getting together to think about is that's how we get into work as a some of many different call wow that's a serious amount of unknowns you know they don't focus on all that mundane technical stuff in science fiction films do they well no I because they're trying to make them entertaining rather than realistic. Some of them are more realistic than others. Let's say but still entertaining. That's the main point back to reality though Catherine says that samples are going to be really crucial particularly if we you want to understand if they will at Blue Napoles being luna soccer person I would love to have a piece of those songs back in our lab hair on because when we actually grab the Isis volatile rich mature voluntary very slow bring it back to our lab we can also questions much more easily Demi Cam by sending reports it runs to the moon itself so I'd like to challenge peaches face agencies and results commercial providers to get a species on bullets Louis how rich <unk> vices back here on that we can study sedan really address. Some of these scientific questions we have about the nature the origin associates of volatile at moon on whether these bullets come from the rest of the solar system to siphon none of the international missions to the main a factory and what's needed to bring back up look vice dates. There isn't a true IC- retired mission on the books when you cryogenic could preserve ice and get back to <unk> challenge preserving cryogenically material assets on a very low temperatures so so blake reductions hemorrhages in in a capsule getting off the moon getting bathroom moon to US orbit and then actually getting to survive back down through a atmosphere a robotic plex here on a Catherine says if we can test out this capability on the moon somewhere where we've landed before then it will be useful for those who've I'd love to do the same on comet or asteroids or even some of the solar systems icy moons around planets like Jupiter and Saturn yeah these are some of the places the scientists will love to explore a fake off the chance and we'll be talking to some about using using the Moon Asa launch pad to go deeper into space in our next and final episode of the series places. 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Anthill presents: To the moon and beyond 4 why go back to the moon?

"Who Actually owns the moon? Stick speaking no one or probably it's a bit more precise to say allstate's jointly owned the moon because it's an international territory which can never become part of the national territory of one single state. This is friends vander dunk professor of space law at the University of Nebraska Lincoln in the U._S.. I asked him about what laws are in place to govern the moon and he told me that legally the moon can't be owned by any one country. This was enshrined in something called the Outer Space Treaty signed way back in nineteen sixty seven two years before Neil Armstrong and Baldwin had even set foot the lunar surface but France told me that the legal status of any resources found on the moon Rice's a whole other set of questions particularly for those who want to go and extract them. Does this calmed status is Global Common State is off the moon. I mean that's all the resources of the moon arte common property of mankind as well or are they by contrast resources that every individual state is entitled to harvest so if you get to the moon it's not clear yet whether you can just take whatever you want and even if you get there find loads of valuable minerals and set up an actual mining base you'll face a second legal question while it is also not possible legally at least to permanently occupy the moon as a consequence with the absence of territorial sovereignty the question is how long are you entitled to use it that there's no coalition Asian or putting the installation on the Mon doesn't mean that you're entitled to run the installation for five years or for fifteen years of four hundred years before it's runs into the violation of permanent occupation so the law is unclear how how long you're allowed to stay or set up camp for and then Francaise you'd face a third issue around who could go nosing around your mining installation. There is a principal free access to the facilities of everyone everyone else on the moon on the basis reciprocity but at the same time there is a requirement to refrain from harmful interference now when is a visit for example to another mining insulation. When is that harmful interference? What does the freedom of XS this means so those those are basically two three main issues that need to be solves in order to get a proper regime for for mining moon in the previous episode of to the moon and beyond a podcast series from the conversation we heard about today's new space race and the many countries and companies entering the fray in this episode we'll be looking at what is drawing so many of these missions back to the lunar surface and what other practical legal and ethical questions facing racing those who want to set up a base that and potentially start mining on the moon? I'm Miriam Frankel Science editor at the conversation U._K.. And I'm Martin Archer Space Plasma physicists at Queen Mary University of London and you're listening not the moon and I think it's a an experienced. It's not only physically different but allows you to have a bigger picture where we are our universe in no other country has undertaken a lunar landing program basically because it's still hard. It's still very expensive and at least is an argument of whether it's worth doing or not I wish is that this should internationally diver rather than necessary competition spreading across our solar system is the same thing to do. It's both smart thing in terms of making us more resilient as basis but I also think I think this is a way of opening up to the potential of humanity on Apollo eleven so the Americans call it a lunar surface assets. It sounds pretty boring. Well actually is at Marian is just another name for Year I might call moon base and that's a has plans under what's called the artists program artists being the twin sister of blow in Greek mythology to to set up by twenty twenty eight and that's to have what they called a sustained human presence on the moon which is funny because actually NASA already has a mission currently in operation called Artemis which is in orbit around the moon so they're using the name twice <hes> but really twenty twenty eight is not far away. I mean less than a decade. We could have people living on the moon. That's crazy well. That is the plan and the Americans aren't the only ones who want to start living on the moon. Somebody else might even get their first. In April this year. The Chinese have said that they want to build a scientific based on the moon South Pole and that's within the next ten years and surely the Russians will be getting in there as well Yep Yep they want to set up camp too but it might take them a bit longer so last last year. The Russian Space Agency Roscosmos said that it wants to set up a colony on the moon by twenty four t which is a bit further in the future but I mean according to that it seems like Americans might get there. I I wonder actually if in fact it's GONNA end up being an international collaboration right. We don't have the political tensions that means that we have to have a space race. You see what the International Space Station. There's a lot more collaboration even when politically things on always great between the nation's I wonder terrific all going to get together and do something bigger collaboratively. I think that means I mean the U._S.. Will certainly be involved because they're open to collaborate with other countries whereas some countries such as China. They're more likely to want to do these things completely -pletely on their own which means that they might actually take a bit longer even though they are also planning on going back there yeah the things might change we don't we have to look to the future just not too far in the future where kind of jumping ahead of ourselves here and you know with all this talk of of setting up a base again on the moon. I'm still wondering is not really got any safer as it well this different elements to that I think because I think we comparing to the Apollo missions a lot of the dangers as well as there's a natural environment of space itself was literally in the space exploration. I think we've demonstrated that. We're a lot better at that. Now we've developed technology. We're aware of a lot more of the risks. Even though we still do see we do get rocket. Explosions and things like dot says it is still inherently risky but I think the exploration aspect is probably a little safer than it was fifty years ago but as we've talked about before you haven't changed the fact that radiation in spaces is ready not a a great thing damaging cosmic rays and from the sun we talked about that in a previous episode and the inherent sort of degradation of the human body just by being off of this planet says well we decided to call up a doctor to find out what other problems going to space can call to the human body my name stuck to rowing Christianson. I'm a medical educator. At the University of Melbourne she looks at what happens to the body in extreme environments armaments including in space and when I asked her what risks there are of being in space or on the moon for long periods of time. She said that the worst side effects actually happened after only forty eight hours that can include altered altered immune function volume shifts so you tend to get a fluid shift from the bottom half of your body to the top half of your body and get a puffy face and your sense of smell gets diminished so that's a bit like when you're on an airplane and everything kind of tastes and smells different and that's pretty well understood the tissues get a bit woche locked it like when you have a cold and you've we've Lucy since smell and actually I'm taste is very closely tied to yo censored smells so if your ability to smell is obstructed in some way than potentially see that's going to affect your taste as well and so the astronauts in needed National Space Station often ask for food that sort of malls spy seat than tonight with normally like tweet on. The count tastings as well as they would. There can be another potentially more serious side effects of having more fluid and so more pressure in your head that is that astronauts fusion can be affected and and the shape they've eyeball can actually change and the some astronauts sets meant. They've been left with long-term visual changes as a result that is pretty concerning once you get back to us. The body doesn't correct itself and go back to normal it doesn't do that for everyone and Reno told me that some astronauts have been left actually needing to wear glasses and so that could be a bit of a concerned if astronauts are traveling for six to eight months to go away to Mars <hes> astronaut still going to get there with good enough vision to be able to to all the things that they need to do and actually one of the side effects which the Apollo astronauts noted was the they had impaired ability to evaluate distance and so that could potentially be risky thing in terms of landing space craft safely while so even even just the short term threat to the moon they were still seeing these sorts of problems so it's only going to be worse on trips to Mars but I mean there are other effects as well. What about motion sickness from living in an environment without gravity? Yeah Ruina has had that can be a big problem in the first couple of days the balance system in your in ear. I longer knows whether your your oppo down what sideways and so it gets terribly confused and so there's always had possibility of nausea. Being sick is bad enough on earth and I don't want to imagine vomiting in zero gravity. Just go every way but Ruina told me that actually the lack of gravity has too much more serious consequences your muscles start to lose mass because they don't have to work against gravity any more and that includes the heart which is basically just divide up muscle and also you bone mineral density tends to decrease and even with the Gemini and Apollo missions which didn't last more than about two weeks in total they I noticed a loss in in Bandon city of round to default percent so to combat this weakening effect that zero gravity has on your muscles and bones astronauts aboard the International Space Station exercise around around two hours a day strapped to kind of treadmill and they also pump weights but as we can say it doesn't completely combat the side effects because when they come back to they have to be carried out of the captial so for any people living on the moon in the future Rowena arena says that exercise will be essential for instance on the moon because the Moon Ernie has point one six of the gravity of earth so that's really not going to be anywhere near enough to counter the effects of Vanowen in microgravity and the other thing that people often forget about two is that if you won't be able to maintain healthy the body and a healthy muscle mass you going to need the right kind of nutrients are going to need it balance nutritious diet and that set certainly possible where earth is able all to supply that kind of balance nutritious start and so to pack up and send it to to the base but I think it's a lot more interesting issue for for long-term settlements in terms of will they be able to grow enough of the right kind of food to actually keep people healthy and I think that's going to be a major challenge. If you saw the film the Martian with Matt Damon I mean he he was making potatoes and even he got sick of them even with all the catch up and stuff like that so even if you get off of the space ration pox it could still not that great right yeah about space ration pox they do see <music> awful. I think the look of adventure food or even my child's baby food I found it hard to even taste it. It just looks disgusting. Wall Street is very important part of life certainly mine. They're all going to be other problems. Facing a Luna base with people living on the main problem that will face on the moon is the fact that day is about twenty nine Thursday non this is Frederick Moran and Astrophysicist the Strasbourg Astronomical Observatory at the University of Strasbourg France he says because if there's a long day and night humans living on the moon we'll have a completely different body clock you will have two weeks of sunlight followed by two weeks night so it means that the production of energy using lead say solar panels we not be possible unless we wlob very very rich and an empty storage unions so basically leaving an walking on the moon. We'll I'll have a totally different scandal as on earth and so these are not very strong impact on to humans on top of this the surface of the moon is covered with dust the big thing and it's why tiny or humans so it means that Earth would be very important to take care of cleaning the doubts out of the men's and out of the gears or where the wound and this is that it will destroy slowly the machineries the wow nice hospitable environment than thought moon-dust is really nasty stuff it clings to absolutely everything and apparently according to the Apollo astronauts they could smell it when they go back into the module had this sort of metallic smell which then almost faded entirely very quickly so actually the moon-dust back here on earth doesn't have the smell date. Wow we wanted to find out why there's so much interest though in going back to the moon again what lies beneath the moon's dusty surface there is so enticing to find out what scientists actually no east then we called up Catherine Joy Royal Society University Research Fellow and geologist in the school of F. and environmental sciences at the University of Manchester in the rethink me on the staff that there are many potential different resources assists available asks the lunar surface this means everything from Walter and oxygen which are useful both within the context of human exploration will building bases atmospheres will teach astronauts nationals to survive on the lunar surface and for use in converting with water and oxygen into rocket fuels propellants for exploration. I the aspects of the Moon will using the moon is a platform access arrested deep space in virus. This is something that Professor Yang Jiao mentioned in the last episode harvesting the world's from the moon splitting that into hydrogen oxygen you can then react them together again and that's essentially what goes on inside Iraq Catherine Joy says that together oxygen you can either heat moon rocks up to really high temperatures all break them up using acid or similar practices and water potentially available both tracked within some of the rocks minerals and also rethink within ice. I suppose it now. This is where things get <unk> controversial. We think that within the Luna polls there are regions of impact craters preserve isis being the nicotine through time however what we don't understand is the distribution I and the depths of that is whether it is solid ice or whether it's kind of particular ice trapped within Mineral Baynes and so the great question we have next is not so much intense. How can we go to mind the moon but first of all we need to understand stands for potential resource as unwed allocated how accessible and we need to develop technology to be able to detect them on extracts them to make them useable products another substance <unk> those as in favor of going back to the moon light to talk about a something called helium three helium three is one of the isotopes all the elements helium which is not comment macfound Helena so helium three is found? <unk> Luna sacrifice because it's been delivered there by the Soda Wind. It's been implanted as the moon poces through face being exposed to radiation from the some and the some than in Plums Humam <unk> directly insects the main because it's not affected by the implementation process happens all the time however they're all set regions the moon when we have high concentrations of this element heating straight we think in particular society the Mineral Ilmenite which is attained him rich mineral which really lost soccer union's structure the reason helium three is so interesting is because it could potentially be used within a nuclear process to make electricity here on re undertake Nikki efficient <unk> power reactors but within the some we have the purchase of Nikiel fusion and if we want to develop clean patient techniques only us we need the element summit heating three to be involved with that price as this is why people suggested the moon will be a great place to go in mind heaves ray potentially bring it back to the to use impeach a clean energy uniquely occasion Kala generation however there is a a lot of controversy about is the moon is really viable results of helium three whilst we know it's their entire abundances in hair on whether it's actually extractable mineable trump's both box the still has to be proven. What else could we find on the moon then if we went digging for it while Joyce says there are some discussions that could be precious metals up there such as platinum group metals gold palladium elements used in mobile phones and the clean energy industry taken the elements on not connie associated with Luna rox themselves however they could be delivered to the Moon Seth is by colliding Makarevich asteroids and so there is a lot of description around finding places on moon wet asteroids <unk> toughest delivering these types of precious metals could be accessible extraction purification so I guess this brings us back to the question of weather? If any future moon missions found any any of these resources what they'd be allowed to do with them well from what we had earlier from France funded dunk it sounds as if the lowest really quite ready for that happen yeah and to find out a bit more about the laws in place we called up another space lawyer. My name is on your muscles and I am an assistant professor and deputy director of the International Institute of Air Space Law at Leiden University in the Netherlands. I asked Tanya about the Moon Treaty also known as the Moon Soon Agreement and international agreements made in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine goes. It's only eighteen countries that have ratified it and a couple more at have signed it <hes> and so it is sometimes referred to as a field treaty because does it is quite controversial. Eighteen ratifications is an a lot and the countries that are signed up are those that you wouldn't associate with space expiration anyway the Netherlands Belgium Paxton Austria so neither the United States nor Russia China India nor Franz have ratified moon agreements that is because mainly because it contains the concept of what is called the common heritage of mankind the treaty cents that the moon and its resources assists and the moon actually implies all celestial bodies the moon and all other celestial bodies are the common heritage of mankind and it is not entirely clear what this means the common heritage of mankind doesn't mean that everything that accompany could could have in prophets from exploiting resources outerspace has to be split among all the countries members of the United Nations what exactly it means is unclear and that is why many states don't like it and will not ratify it so this is different from what was agreed in the outer space treaty signed a decade before nine hundred sixty seven. Yes that's right the outer space treaty contain another concept called the province of mankind which is a little bit more vague egg. If you're like which is perhaps more moral obligation that we have to somehow share benefits and have everyone of course <hes> be part of this new endeavor the Moon Agreement the common heritage principle is that is the reason why streets is not ratified right by mainly to space powers some if none of the spice powers wants to sign the Moon Treaty and if they haven't done cy footy later. It's not really looking likely that it's going to happen. Does that mean the time is nine for another. You might think so but Tanya Mia says that is unlikely to happen either so I'm not very optimistic about the chances of success of having a new treaty and you see in in the world today states are not very willing to give up their sovereignty by adhering to new treaties and you see it in aviation or into area of climate change and other areas so even though there are areas where states should agree on things they usually do that in the form of what we call soft law so non-legally binding principles that do lay down the behavior of state. She says there are certain areas and issues where everybody agrees that rules are needed. I believe that space debris management space traffic management long-term sustainability of space activities and certainly also use of space resources sources are good examples but I expect that it will rather be done into form of guidelines or standards and not really in the form of for new treaty because the geopolitical situation is not very positive about adopting new treaties. She's she's actually been busy over the last few years as part of The Hague International Working Group at collaboration of academics companies and international organizations who are all thinking about what those new guidelines might look like and they're going to be making their ideas or what they call building blocks public towards the end of the year. One of their main ideas is to have legal principles that are adaptive so able to deal with issues as they arrive. We should should look at topics that are going to be happening. I and try to find solutions for those and not look too far in the future for instance we should not now put in stone what is going to be <hes> the framework for bringing back platinum to Earth. I mean clearly we will be using first outerspace resources in outer space so let's look at that but she says a key part of any future framework will be principles of planetary protection so making sure the space environment isn't spoiled for future expiration and we'll be talking a bit more about this and our next episode and considering the problem of humans going to other planets and contaminating them with our alien earth bacteria Korean microbes however on the Moon where pretty sure that there isn't any live so currently but actually there are some ideas that very early in the moon's formation when when it was still volcanically active that could have been the conditions present life so actually the real issue is that if we're going mining the moon we might be destroying the evidence of past life on the main which such as losses exactly or dead microbes or leftover things like that so we don't want to destroy that evidence. If we go up mining the moon yeah that makes a lot of sense but a lot of other people are bit worried because the means really important in stabilizing the but that's not really an issue it would take us like two hundred odd million years so even just mind one percent of the means mass so we shouldn't be worried that is gonNA muck up the environment on earth well. That's a relief I asked France Vendor Dunk about what the punishments would be for those who break International Space Law unfortunately outer space is not different from the international community as hope put in the sense that there is no global police force as global judge who can punish the guilty of violators and we've seen that of course in other areas of the international community as well and the big states are able to get away a bit more or with much more grody than the smallest states so then it boils down into political punishment if the certain state is seeing to violating the international rules swear by itself will by proxy or uh-huh because of his private operators that may be a political punishments. All the states may boycott that states may raise political stink about. It's a look at a harsher punishment look like I mean even if it's hard to actually introduce. Economic Boycotts in any particular context of mining of the moon this of course an interesting option because we should realize that the companies that are at our few companies which have claimed that they are very interested in this possibility in particularly in the United States while obviously companies want to has the largest possible market that they can have which means that they want to be able to sell the stock legally across the world and in particular if we're talking about illegal business where the investment runs into the billions before you get your first resources on the market you don't WanNa then have to start arguing about market access say this would be a little bit like blood diamonds today diamonds that have come from MM conflict zones if resources remind illegally on the moon then the companies or countries that did it might lose a lot of money. Do you think there could ever be a scenario where countries went to war over resources since space and what would that look like I mean would it be similar to the U._S.. China trade war it could well be a obviously if if there are interest at stake of that size you know if we're talking about billions potentially billions or even trillions worth of economic resources than obviously and we've seen throughout history the incentive is there for the states who can get that to try to get as large share as possible and if that's it's not enough for everyone or not enough low hanging fruit for around the likelihood for conflicts is certainly right it will probably start I the level of trade or which is of course in actual war Indiv- physical sense of the word but can already they do a lot of damage to everyone around but if things will escalate as we've seen in the boss economic horse can also lamb escalate into real fighting. I can only say I hope that never happens. I can only say as a lawyer that we can at least help a little bit by creating fair and transparent and legal systems. We can help a little bit in trying to threat that danger wow as a space trade war seems like George Lucas was right with these principles I it sounds kind of exciting and boring at the same time yeah the pre close I asked France whether it's ethical that those who can afford to go and mind the moon do it head and those who can't don't use worth ESCO already so that his question that goes beyond the law itself. I think the answer is a caveat yes yes it's ethical because if you do not allow those who can afford to do its key to go there. We will probably never go that box. We should allow those go ahead within the realm of a solid legal framework which protects the main public interests think about safety think about security ready think about the environment is face debris and also think about at least a level of international sharing. I don't talk about an international the taxation on stuff like that but that should obviously the impossibility for more than just a handful of players to benefit from that has to be a certain system which also allows late commerce still to find a benefit in held up hold up. I getting ahead of ourselves <music> well when we just catherine joy. She said we're still a long way off all of this even if companies can identify where they want Simone and get the funding in place to do it. They're going to face multiple challenges oranges in getting the stuff out so this festival. How do you the soil how do you expect the ground and the type solve technology use the range from small diggers bucket tools through to corey devices it? How do they system to deal with shock abrasive dust working in low gravity environments how it considerations for how those instrumentation can be sustained in a Gerbil white through the lunar nights and three day aging needs to settle Donald Technology? You need to think about nuclear powered radio is type generators and that really depends on way. Oh going on the moon. Do you need to operate in a by code crater environment so you need to have electronic systems that can operate right under extreme cold. Do you need operate within the High Luna daytime so your electronic systems need to lost on two hundred fifty degree heat conditions all those types of things can survive in by Hauch radiation environments and then once you've extracts that Syria how that soil into usable feedstock so you'll have to sit on desegregated getting down to the grain size that you need to protect your final processing tool be it an oven be. It's a microwave Alvan at Beit some sort of cover semi reduction system in a loss of complexities h stage of that production process that technology has to be perfected report KANOBI couplets gets into working system and if you're doing this robotically that requires a lot of things I tell you operations automation of systems or do you crew to do some humans on the second facilitate these types of bright complex operations and so this is what we're communities getting together to think about is that's how we get into work as a some of many different call wow that's a serious amount of unknowns you know they don't focus on all that mundane technical stuff in science fiction films do they well no I because they're trying to make them entertaining rather than realistic. Some of them are more realistic than others. Let's say but still entertaining. That's the main point back to reality though Catherine says that samples are going to be really crucial particularly if we you want to understand if they will at Blue Napoles being luna soccer person I would love to have a piece of those songs back in our lab hair on because when we actually grab the Isis volatile rich mature voluntary very slow bring it back to our lab we can also questions much more easily Demi Cam by sending reports it runs to the moon itself so I'd like to challenge peaches face agencies and results commercial providers to get a species on bullets Louis how rich <unk> vices back here on that we can study sedan really address. Some of these scientific questions we have about the nature the origin associates of volatile at moon on whether these bullets come from the rest of the solar system to siphon none of the international missions to the main a factory and what's needed to bring back up look vice dates. There isn't a true IC- retired mission on the books when you cryogenic could preserve ice and get back to <unk> challenge preserving cryogenically material assets on a very low temperatures so so blake reductions hemorrhages in in a capsule getting off the moon getting bathroom moon to US orbit and then actually getting to survive back down through a atmosphere a robotic plex here on a Catherine says if we can test out this capability on the moon somewhere where we've landed before then it will be useful for those who've I'd love to do the same on comet or asteroids or even some of the solar systems icy moons around planets like Jupiter and Saturn yeah these are some of the places the scientists will love to explore a fake off the chance and we'll be talking to some about using using the Moon Asa launch pad to go deeper into space in our next and final episode of the series places. The are really really liked to go to all other places were life might be places like Mas obviously and and places like Euro per and relatives that's in the last episode of to the Moon and beyond when we'll be looking ahead to twenty sixty nine and to what space exploration will look like a hundred years after Neil Armstrong I stepped apt on the moon to make sure you don't miss this subscribed to the moon and beyond wherever you get your podcast you can also find all the episodes on the conversation dot com where you'll also find loads more articles from academics around the World Marking The fiftieth anniversary a Vestry of the NASA Moon Landings and if you like this podcast please give us a review on spotify or I._T._N.'s. It really does help and if you have any questions about the series you can get in touch via email on podcast up the conversation dot com or you can reach me on twitter at Mirren Frankel. 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