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Amanpour: Eleanor Holmes Norton, Martin Luther King III, DeRay Mckesson, Art Acevedo and Nikole Hannah-Jones

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Amanpour: Eleanor Holmes Norton, Martin Luther King III, DeRay Mckesson, Art Acevedo and Nikole Hannah-Jones

"Hello everyone and welcome to poor his. What's coming up? On. Who Will Answer the cry of pain from the streets who will make black lives matter in America tonight? We asked congresswoman longtime. Civil Rights Activists Eleanor Holmes Norton then. Brothers just awful proud. George Bush. The role and responsibility of law enforcement aren't as a VADO chief of police in Houston Texas George Floyd Hometown. He joins US also ahead. The politics of protests with the old guard, and the new Martin Luther King, the third and black lives matter organizer Diriye mckesson. The four hundred years that led to this and every moment like it with Pulitzer, prize winning journalist behind the sixteen, thousand nine hundred project, and you call Hana Jones. Welcome to the program everyone I'm Christiane Amanpour working from home in London. The images that stunned the world is protest roll through more than one hundred American cities since the death of George Floyd a week ago today it was memorial. Day It is the worst unrest in America since the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, by, then, though the Democratic candidate for President Robert. F Kennedy came out into the streets to calm the terrible tensions, and to speak to hurt an angry black Americans. He also had this important message for the nation that calls itself exceptional. Some Americans. Who preached nonviolence, abroad? Fail to practice it here at home. Some accuse others, variety and inciting riots. have by their own conduct. Invited, them. Indeed when we foreign correspondents cover protests and uprisings abroad from apartheid, South Africa to the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Green Revolution in Iran or the Arab spring we call those they are freedom and democracy movement, popular struggles for dignity and justice, and that is what we are witnessing in America now, so let's discuss all of this from as many angles as we possibly can for the next hour. My first guest is the distinguished congresswoman for the District of Columbia Eleanor. And she's joining me now. Feminist and civil rights leader who took part in the freedom summer of nineteen, sixty four. She was on the board of three fortune, five hundred companies before heading to Congress and she's joining me now from Washington. Congresswoman, thank you for joining us. We have seen the family of George. Floyd plead for non violence and yet say that protests must continue until there is justice. Just give me your reaction to what we're seeing on the streets and what has led to it? has led to. It seems to me. Is. A really an unprecedented of opportunity. That's what I would call it to actually see. Someone killed before your very eyes. That has inflamed the public as never before, and so we find ourselves in the middle of an unprecedented pandemic at the same time that we are saying unprecedented level of demonstrations. because. The public simply cannot understand. How for the first time as they see the police in action? This event could go unpunished. And the punishment that has come forward so far. May Be the best that the police came, and the Lawrey's can do at this moment, but it has not satisfy people who are seeing in real time the killing of a human being. Congresswoman you there. You've been there. You've walked the walk and you have really been on the front lines of this movement. You know. We mentioned obviously what happened in nine, hundred, sixty eight, and what a terrible terrible time of division and death and tragedy! It was in the United States. Did you think back then after nine hundred sixty eight that we would be seeing this today fifty two years later. When I use the word precedent. Advisedly, we had always hoped. That our own demonstrations peaceful often. With a gatherings ahead of time to indicate how we were going to make sure they peaceful would lead to more and more peaceful demonstrations and that we have seen. But The the fact that we now have social media evidence. For the first time has taken protests to a new level were always talking about something that the press. Usually the printed press told us about. Or even folks like CNN had told us about, but always after the fact. What do you do when you are seeing? A killing in real time. And how you make sure that you are having an effect, and that's why we are seeing these demonstrations night after night, and we are also seeing a mixture of people so that we are seeing the traditional peaceful demonstrations alongside people who are taking advantage of the situation. As as as many people know, your own great grandfather was a runaway slave. He escaped the plantation in Virginia. And, clearly, obviously as we said, this has been building for four hundred years, and we've had a black president in the United States. Many people say look that didn't work either and that this is so endemic and so institutionalized that we just don't know what to do anymore. Let me just read you the latest from President Obama. He weighed in today, he said. said. Let's not excuse violence or rationalize it or participate in it if we want our criminal justice system in American society at large to operate on ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves, and of course everybody is calling for voting, and actually you know claim ownership of their future, but I guess I want to ask you because it's very, it's. Violent protest is quite common around the world as I said in order to. To finally be a tipping point. It's unusual to see it in the West. It's unusual to see it like this. What where do you stand? On some of the. On the nature and the character of these protests. What we're seeing we believe, if for the most part up because we witness these protesters, they are forming our nonviolent protests. What we should be hearing particularly from the president is a call for intelligence forces to find out. Who Be is that is rotating these protests and creating a situation where violent protests occurred and difficult and others like that mixing in under the cloak of peaceful protests. Instead we see the president. Essentially calling every every part of this protests. A mob and decrying all of it. We need this to be explained to the public. As they see the peaceful protests gathering. We need to focus on them. So that we can understand. How did this turn violent? It must have been somebody else some forces. That came in after these people gathered. That's why you need intelligence. That's why you need the United States, which has the capacity to separate the sheep from the chef. To do so and every day to save to the public. This is what we have found, and this is what we're doing to make sure that these protests are in fact. Nonviolent in fact, and instead what we've seen is the president got a president of the United States is as I end this. We don't have anything to do with this governors to which can. We need the intelligence is of the United States to assist the governors of the states so that they can know how to separate people who are interfering with these peaceful protests and most of these protests as you can see with your own eyes, start out as peaceful. In fact you bring up a very important point, and that is that there has been legitimate criticism of the press for only focusing on on on the destruction, and I'm afraid. That is an occupational hazard, but there has been lots of peaceful protests. Lots of non violent. You know gandhi-like. Operations if you like to just absolutely proved that. This is a non violent and peaceful process, so they want to go through, but you mentioned the president, and as you know word of his conference, call with governors has come out, and there is audio of it, and he has. You know basically appeared very rattled. Called Governors Week saying some of them you know should get basically grow a spine as he puts it and dominate the situation, and he also essentially said that. America's a laughingstock. Listen to this not like you to react. took. Let big stuff all over the world. They took. The The police were running down the free silence facing. It was a terrorist. Event they wiped down. You probably captured. You I'm the homes Norton I mean I cover the world and I know that was no laughter around the world, in fact, deep deep concern even from China about what's going on. In the United, states, China has their next to ground, but you know black lives. Matter, said the Foreign Ministry and Human Rights should be protected in the United States. I just wonder you know. The president has not had national address not how to sort of a convocation in order to try to calm tensions and try to foster some unity out of this. What do you expect going forward? How do you expect this national pain? This crisis to manifest over the next days and weeks and months. I don't. I don't claim that no president by himself. Could have quelled would happen when the last few nights I can tell you that I believe that every democratic or Republican president that I have seen would have spoken to the American people by now and that it would have had some effect. There is only one person in the entire world who by himself could have had any effect here, and that is the president of the United States instead. He, said that indeed threaten to use the military that would be unconstitutional and illegal. He called on the governor's as if he had no power, and as if he had no role, we need a president who understands is role and function in the middle of a national crisis which has brought people to the streets all over the world. When have you see? People. In the capital's around the world out on the streets as if they were in the united. States of protesting what happened? in the Floyd matter? We've seen it here in the UK, and as you say, it's happening all over the world solidarity. For for that that that terrible debt and I want to take you back again. Two thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight, and just listen to what Robert Kennedy said about about the bedrock of society. Itself needs changing again. This was nineteen sixty eight. We can move in that direction as a country. And greater polarization. Black. People amongst blacks. And White amongst whites. Filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort as Martin. Luther King did. To understand. And to comprehend. And replace that violence. That stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land. With an effort to Stan. Compassion. And Love. I know you remember that of course was an extemporaneous speech to the people on that terrible terrible night of April fourth, nine, hundred, sixty eight. Do you think congresswoman that y America does enough to join with Black America and put an end to this because we all know that it will not happen if it's just one group. And another group doesn't join. It has to be an all nation project. Very important to note if you look at these demonstrations that these demonstrations are as multicolored as interracial as any you will ever see, it's very interesting that when matters like this sabbath reason that affect African Americans I to be in the streets of course would be african-americans. african-americans word even the first to be on the streets and the sun air in the nation's capital. Where I live, you will see no difference. This had this. Death. This killing. HAS HAS REACHED! The hearts it seems to me the American people. Are and sometimes. If you look at the crowd, you won't even see African Americans. He'll see only why people. It does and I think that reflects the fact that Africa after all. African Americans are only about ten percent of the nation. So, this has been a out common out calling of. People all over our country of every single background. I think which goes to the level of what they have seen for the first time. Videos are exposing us to attacks by police that we owner heard about an about now we've seen it in real time and the American. People are saying we will not stand for it, and the only way we not to stand for it is to come into the streets. I must tell you that I have called for hearings in the House of Representatives, and there are going to be hearings in the House and Senate. This pandemic has kept us where I am now in my home, but I think in the coming days, even from our homes, we will be participating in hearings because the people are demanding to hear from their elected officials. It is not enough to hear from them. They want to know from us. What are you going to do about it? Indeed everybody does congresswoman. Thank you so for joining us. edano homes Norton a now. One of America's leading human rights advocates is in fact, urging people to make themselves heard at the ballot box this November. He would be Martin Luther King, the third son of the civil rights leader who we've just been talking about. And he tweeted about why we're seeing violence. Saying as my father explained during his lifetime, a riot is the language. Language of the unheard for more. We're pleased to welcome Mr King Live from Atlanta and joining him from New York is during mckesson. He's fellow activist and a leading voice of the Black Lives Matter Movement Gentlemen, both of you thank you so much for joining me and really happy to have you both representing the different generations of this struggle, and so I wanNA know I wanna ask you first Martin Luther King the third. You just heard John Homes Northern. You've heard all that we've been saying about your father's assassination. And what might have happened? Had that not happened and not taken place. Do you feel that. This is a moment as Eleanor Holmes. Norton said that in fact the promise of Civil Rights and Equality and justice can actually. Start to be heard in in this moment, because of what happened to George Floyd and the reaction to it. What I would say of course is. If we do not hear and he'd to a call now. The in our nation. is on the brink of. Of Destruction. My father used to say we must learn violence, or we will face non-existence. And what that means is, we have to treat our fellow human beings with dignity and respect. Fifty plus years ago, my father stood with sanitation workers, and they had a sign that said I am the man those men were saying. Treat us with dignity and respect. Yes, we're sanitation workers, but we need to be paid fifty to flush later. Blacks and whites and children. You'll Latinos Hispanics in everyone is standing up sand. black lives matter. Why should we have to be saying that we are human beings and society has not recognized that I believe. That this incident? May perhaps be a tipping point turning point. For our nation to really engage in some serious action institutional. Dad to see the eradication of poverty and my mother I should say racism and he said militarism. Today is virus. We as a human species have the capacity to do these things, it takes a few good women, men, coming together and creating a strategic plan an effort in this context, it may be different policies. and. So yes I believe this might be as the congresswoman stated that opportunity it should have happened already. It's tragic over and over again that we have to keep going through this. But. Enough is enough yet, and it's not. It's clear that people are not gonNA. Take it anymore. Well, this is this is the interesting moment that that that I wonder whether it will lost and be a tipping point so I. wanted to ask you to mckesson. You know you you come from A. Less years activism, and maybe a different view I I said old God and a new God. I don't know. What do you think would do? People on the streets think about this moment might be hope or is it? Is it still sort of just another in this horrible litany? Say Three things I'm tired of hearing about balancing nonviolence. The only valid I have seen in the street is the police. That's the violence. The violence of the police were got us here. You might have seen property damage, but I haven't seen balance from the protest, and so on even that framing. Is Is Really I. Don't get it. The biologics saw picture online of the police officer who shot somebody's eye out. I have a friend who is now permanently blind in one eye, because a police shot her in the author of a book that is violence so I'm not interested in having a conversation about the violence and the pro. There has been no violence from the protesters. There's been property damage and that property will return. Those buildings will be back. Those stores will made whole again Joyce Floyd. Demure Rice when not Mike Brown, not and ricky boy will not. So, that's one the second. Is that the police keep killing people? So since two thousand fourteen, the police would kill more people not less in March of two, thousand, twenty, March and April twenty twenty. They killed as many people as they did. In March and April, two thousand nineteen, no change corona virus quarantine lockdown. Still Keep your people won't even sign. They killed them. That is a problem that is a choice in the third is that this is explicitly about race? We think about Minneapolis in Minneapolis. Black people are thirteen times more likely to be killed. Killed by police officer than white people that is about race in two thousand, fifteen or fourteen police departments at only kill black people that is about race and black people are one point three times more likely to be unarmed. The idea that black people are threatening. The police is a myth in. It's racist myth to enforce a racist actions by racist police departments. This is a choice so when I think about hope. I am hopeful because we learned in two thousand fourteen at the only time people pay attention is where we stand in the street. We tried everything we went to the meetings. We call we email. We testify. People don't pay attention. You see people on the street right now and I'm getting calls all day from like the officials trying to figure out what they do to undo the mess that they didn't have the courage to do for the past six years. And so d'auray. What next then is it about as killer Mike, said in Atlanta over the weekend organizing, strategizing mobilizing planning, plotting it a what next on the street, then what happens especially to those people who you addressing those who haven't done for that US sixteen years. Q. Pronk solution one is reduced power the police. They just have too much power as constituted today, so we track eight things around use of force, and they are simple, but not small, so banning chill colds in strangleholds, requiring officers to intervene if they see officers engaged in misconduct, requiring deescalation, making sure there's a uniform force continuum so that it's really clear these things when all eight a present. Present when a department goes from none of them to eight of them, there's a seventy percent reduction in police violence, and you might think that these are simple, but chill colder, great example, only twenty eight of the one hundred largest cities in America Ban chokehold today. That is wild. You can learn more use-of-force project dot org about those remapping out. The second is that we have to shift. Resources and we have to shrink the role of the police that in America, only five percent of arrests happened for violent crime. We arrest more people for marijuana than we do for all violent crime combined, but we staff police departments. Eighty percent of the arrests are happening for violent crime. We know that we don't need somebody with a gun to come to car crashes to find missing kids to come. When are cats missing? Most of the non one calls for non emergencies. They don't require somebody who is armed intervene. We need a shift all those resources from police departments and put them somewhere else, and then we should have a conversation about doing the police at all for the small set of. That require an intense intervention. We should think about that looks like. Let me tell you the police. The outcomes even on the police side. It's not like they are leading. Some epic decreases in crime around the country in New, York City. The last two times at the police decided. They were going to do into slot. What's called a slowdown? Where they decided that they weren't GonNa make arrests. They were just not going to be president communities. You know what happened. Crime decreased by twenty percent when the NYPD fell back. neighborhoods are not safer because the police are around. Martin Luther King, do you? How do you relate to what duration saying? Well I I certainly believe. In I I would only at a dynamic to what he said because clearly. There, maybe police presence. Of some sort is in order, but in addition to community policing I think the one dynamic that no one is much talking about we. We hear a little bit of it I've been talking about it for quite some time now. Is If there is not the kind of. Result, That people can begin to feel in a relatively responsible amount of time. Then maybe we need to decide to start exercising I buying power elsewhere. My father and his team used boycotting very effectively for three hundred eighty five days. Eighty days folks did ride the buses in Montgomery. the Mont Blanc. West coming out of business. I'm not suggesting that that should be the only thing, but I need to hear Corporate America. Saying this is wrong and we are not going to accept this kind of behavior more corporate. America needs to stand up. Not stand down because when corporate America is engaged, then things happen. The people already said what they want and should get. It shouldn't even be. The one has to demand respect. It should be automatic based on the fact that we human beings, but we have lost our humanity, and unfortunately a lot of the humanity is disconnected because at the top of leadership chain. The president of the United States Hugh Mutates in a way that is divisive and not unifying. We need a unifying message to unify the nation at this time and beyond, and we need to have specific actions that will be taken justice. League purport to take other actions that have created division. We can also newly take actions that create something else and I the. The president needs to dig deep within his soul, and hopefully within his heart. Hopefully somewhere there's a thread of humanity where he can say something differently where people may begin to respond differently, but also I think the corporations have to do something if they choose not to. Then maybe we need to decide to withdraw our economic support of some of these corporations. That is so as refused. I have a dream speech. Yeah I mean the the I have a dream. Speech was also incredibly about economics, and that aspect of it, and what was necessary for for the black community. Some corporations have come out and said. Condemn this and I wanna ask you finally. d'auray, because if this president hasn't said much, certainly the previous president as being saying things. President Obama has said the bottom line. Is WanNa? Bring about real change. then. The choice isn't between protests and politics. We have to do both we have to mobilize to raise awareness, and we have to organize and cost are ballots to make sure that we elect candidates who will act on reform. What do you? What do you say to that? I? Actually just just going to the ballot and the combination of Mr King has just said in terms of economic power and the like and that kind of protest. You know I think those things are interesting. I'm mindful that at the local level mayors governors city council people are too afraid to engage police. I shouldn't have to boycott anybody to make. A mayor decided to ban charcoal. That's ridiculous to me in some ways that like we should be demanding from these people that they show up and go to work in follow through with the commitments that they said they were gonNA. Do and it's that simple to me. This isn't complicated. It's not the role of the president in this. Trump trump so much while stuff, and I don't want him to use him as a scapegoat around the police to the federal government doesn't have a lot to do with policing. It is local eighteen thousand police departments. This is failed leadership at local level. It's a lot of speeches and not not a whole lot of courage, so I think that the demand now for them to do what they know. Know, they can do to exercise the power that they have to do it into. Just do it. I don't think that we need to talk around. We don't need to talk about a boycott I. Don't need you know we don't. We don't need that right now. They're like what we need. Is People already in the streets? In the reason? You're talking to me right now because they're in the streets. So because we are in the street because people all across the world on the street and has gotten people's attention and mayor. City! Council people they need to respond to that and do something that is meaningful. Because they had the power to do it today, they can't punt in the more they punt. The more people are just going to stay in the street. So raise you correctly said you are in the streets, and that's why we're talking about talking to you and I've been doing that my whole career around the world watching as I say, uprisings for freedom and democracy and dignity and justice so what I want to ask you. Is this the family of George Floyd? Just as we speak, came out and said end, the violence bought. You've gotTA. GotTa keep out on the streets key protesting MP's but lock those guys up in other words. They're saying all the rest of the others. The police the three others need to be held accountable like show van was. Is that what you're saying also needs to happen now is that the I guess the purpose of being in the street until that actually happens as floyd family was saying. So. You know you already know how I feel about. Telling pro-death is not to be violent. The violence isn't coming from the The protests is coming from the police, but we think about that solution it is. It is about making sure there's justice and Accountability Accountability that people confuse the terms, but they are similar, but not the same. Accountability is what happens after the trauma justice, the idea that there should be no trauma in the first place, so arresting me officers is good that is that is accountability. But Justice is what you see people in the street for two. They are saying that this has to stop the. There can't be another case in any city at anytime, and until we figure out a plan to get there, I don't know how the unrest ends. 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Is that they want people of Color. Talked about as being dogs and we're bombs, and and my people for as an immigrant were we know what? We built this country. These are strong words and I be speaking to chief as Vado about the road ahead. Welcome to the program chief. Let me just ask you your reaction today. The family of George Floyd is calling for an end to looting. For an end to violence, but to continue protests until there is justice, and until all the officers involved I'll quote unquote locked up I just want to know from your perspective as law enforcement. What you react your reaction to that. Well I I wanted to say that. I extend my deepest condolences to the Floyd Family I've been able to speak with someone. The family members here in Houston, and you know it's represented with Houston's about. Houston's been faring so much better because we have people like the fluid family there where community of faith were a richly richly diverse community, the most diverse communities nation, and I want to thank from the bottom of my. My Heart for showing people for showing the world in any Houston a melting pot of America. We do things differently, which sends a message to those at may want to hijack the memory of of George Floyd. Don't come to Houston trying that nonsense because the police stand with the community in the community, stand with the police in word apartment homegrown that reflects this rich lead diverse community. God, bless them chief Vado I I hear you. I hear you loud and clear and you're absolutely right in their grief. They are doing the right thing and asking for calm and peaceful protests, but I WANNA ask you. You created quite a stir over the weekend because you went out into your very diverse community, and you tried to calm the people, and you had some harsh words for the kind of law enforcement that we saw which led to the death of George Floyd. Tell me where you stand on this explained to us about a little bit about the speech you made. That went so viral. y'All let's let's be real. Clear I wanted to get real clear. Vast majority police officers in this country under thousand and eighteen thousand police departments do if phenomenal job. They served twenty, five thirty thirty five forty years. They never shoot. Anybody ever heard anybody. They serve with honor, distinction encourage, but we still live in a country where we make too many excuses and tolerate mediocrity and tolerate police abuse. There is no excusing a police officer putting his knee, and keeping an on the neck of a Amandus. hancuffed calling for mercy and calling for his Mama. There is no excuse for that and there's no excuse for three officers. Officers sitting there and not intervening as required not just by policy, not just law, but by our conscience we have one and by the God. That was supposed to be following, so we stand with the Floyd family. We stand with our our community of all colors, all races, all creeds, and we are going to stand with them and March with them until they get just as that's what they deserve, and that's what's going to finally bring this kind of stuff. Not Twenty because of human condition is imperfect, and we will always have to deal between good and bad, but it will greatly reduce potential for the stuff happening. Then again, very strong words, we will march until we get justice. You are the police chief of a very diverse city fact I know that it's a majority minority city and I. Part was important for you. Why was it important for you to go out onto the streets this weekend? While been doing this career and been criticized for. Forget. The rage that we're seeing is an example. The fact that our greatest force multipliers police officers in a nation of laws in in a nation where people have rights. We cannot do our jobs if we lose the consent of the people and what we're seeing is that we will lose the consent of the people if injustices like this a continue to happen but B. When they happen, we don't. Don't take the action it needs to be seen. People know really bad policing and criminal police. In when they see, it doesn't require law degree, it requires a common sense, and so it's important for me to be opposite with my community, because I live in this community at care about this community and my number, one hope is that good comes out of George Floyd's death and secondly that. Were responsible this community and we're responsible for protesters that we continue to have the kind of Houston strong mentality that we have here the keep this big Malkin Pot, safe and I and I have every intention of joining my community ensure that nobody comes and tries to hijack the peace and the love that we have here despite the. So you've said what happened in Minneapolis to George, Floyd and everything that's happening there and around the country is a crucial test of your profession. You've you've said that. It's a crucial test of our profession in terms of law enforcement. I need to ask you this because some of the latest news is that president trump is we know has had a conference call with governors, and some of that audio has come out, and we're using it and in it. He says to governors he. He says you're week. He says many of you should be you know not showing this weakness. We're laughing stocks. You need to dominate. You need to dominate. I wanted to ask you not to. If you don't want to comment on the president of the United States, but is the right direction for police today in this environment to go out and dominate and to show that they're quote unquote not week. What is what should the police be doing now to calm this terrible situation? But. Let let me just say this to the president of the United States on behalf. Of the police chief in this country. Please if you don't have something constructive to say. Keep your mouth shut because you're putting men and women in their early twenties at risk this not about dominating, it's about winning hearts and minds, and let's be clear. We do not want people to confuse kindness with weakness, but we don't want ignorance to route to ruin what we've got here. In Houston and speaking for my colleagues across the country where there officers being injured community members are being injured. If you don't have something to say like forrest Gump and don't say it, because that's the the basic tenants of leadership, and we need leadership now more than ever hurts me to no end because we whether we vote for someone, we don't vote for some. It's still. Still our president, but it's time to be presidential and not try to be like you're on the apprentice. This is this is not. This is not Hollywood this real life and realize at risk. And I asked the American people to please join with the police. Stand together. Let's shift this tour. It needs to be to the voting booth. Pay attention to the hearts and of the people that we elect in the reason this stuff happens is because too many people right now in this country that are throwing blocks of bricks and and damage property never bothered vote, so you have a choice. Lift up your voice. Be Hurting the voting booth and continue to March peacefully. So the focus remains on bad policing criminal policing. Let's be real honest. This is not just about policing. It's about society and this disproportionality over the things going on in our country for medication to health to food. Take everything that we are human beings old near and dear so please. Please don't don't react to that and we just hugged one another. The only thing that will happen to overcome hate is love and love and engagement. Let's engage in this what we can control which is our own actions, our own hearts and exercise without fail our right to vote. Police chief as Vado. Those are very strong words, and particularly you are a Cuban immigrants. You came when you were four years old to the United States, and are the police chief, the first such in the city, of Houston so I WANNA ask you. Lastly, there have been reforms. Planned made for instance in Minneapolis. The police force did implement training on implicit bias on mindfulness deescalation crisis intervention. It did diversify the department's leadership. It did create tied to use of force standards. It adopted body cameras in other. It did all this stuff, but it did not work. Chief has a veto. What is it gonNA take how much reform? How many of these? Play books. What is it going to take? LISTEN CUSHION! That's a great question. And here's my my response from a heart. What we're seeing is not just about the death of George Floyd. What we're seeing is their response to not just police, brutality, or seeing as a response to disproportionality of wealth and everything else in this country. Let's not kid ourselves. Unfortunately, policing would put were good. Policing happens which happens every day in our country. It doesn't make the news. Tens of millions of context every year and very dynamic situations. It doesn't make the news. We're the most visible cog of government and when we get it wrong. There's no excuse we can excuse it. We have to accept it, but don't kid yourself into believing that the rage is just because of what happens with police. It's about society from Pre K. Education all the way up, so please, let's let's keep moving the ball. Ball I promise you that the police chiefs are willing to lead. We need police labor union leaders. It's time for them to either step up and be part of the solution or we're just. GonNa have to get elected officials. They be doing what they need to do. which is to do everything we can take weed out bad cops to can lift up the vast majority that are armed professionals and really deserve our support. Well chief has a veto. We thank you and we thank you for leading by example. Thank you for joining us. Now a final conversation this evening with our next guest who says racism is in America's DNA. It comes from the original slim sin of Slavery Nicole Hannah Jones. Spearheaded as we know. The New York Times Sixteen nineteen project, which reframed American history from the moment the first enslaved Africans were shipped over. And Nicole Hannah. Jones is joining us now from New York I'm welcome back to the program. It's the second time we're talking in since this is a started to unfold and I wonder with all that you've seen all the. You've heard not just this hour, but over these last five days of this terrible weekend. Where you think this is heading, has has something happened. That might bring the country. To a new to a new stage to a new tipping point to a new tomorrow. I'm not sure I think it largely depends on how those in power who have. Influence and the resources to produce structural change respond to this crisis that we're in I will say we have not seen this level number of uprisings across American cities for the sustained period of time probably since the mid to late nineteen sixties, so we are in A. Moment whether as potential for great structural reform, but it's it's left to be seen whether that actually occurs. So Martin Luther King. Says Martin Luther King himself said riot is the language of the heard what goes through your mind when you hear those words, and when you see these scenes, and what happened to George Floyd and all the other names that came before him. What goes through your mind when you hear that sentence riot? Hard! What goes through my mind is clearly what he was attempting to address it. which is that people have tried? He's protests. People have tried to rain. These issues to the national conscious have been asking or police reforms, and for resources and investment in their communities, and it's largely fallen on deaf ears, and so what ends happening is You get a spark like this as your last guest said, police are the most visible agents of the state in black communities, and at some point, it becomes combustible We don't pay attention, but we're certainly paying attention now. I guess. What go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead the other thing. Go ahead. Why was just going to say what? What other levers do the Poor's black communities have? They do vote? They do protests, but they do not run the institutions that can actually change their lives, and at some point. They have to use what they have. So in a previous conversation, this hour spoke margin, Luther King, the third and to deray. And there was a difference of view as to actually even violence meant, and d'auray was very clear that the black community is not being violent. The police are that property damage property damage, but it's the police who are being violent against people's bodies, so I wanna ask you because I know you've talked about it and there was this amazing. Piece of video over the weekend where two. People talking one was a sixteen year old. The others were older about the nature of what was unfolding, and about what the young young ones should do, and the older ones were saying. Don't engage in violence. Let's just played and I want us to talk to me a little bit about it. Was that around what? Comes to protect us and we got started. I understand, but let me tell you hear. This. Tell me. What are we? GonNa go by the way. If the United States. If you. Thought. Point I'm on the. So it's intense, because it's exactly what's unfolding the dilemma, what do we do? How do we do it? You sort of said both a right and wrong. Tell me about it. I mean what that is really showing is this sense of helplessness that we are thirteen percent minority in a majority white country. We are descendants of people who were enslaved in this country and so Ultimately, our protest is only as successful as we can convince Americans who actually comply with the constitution and treat a black Americans as full citizens I, think I would not describe looting as violence looting. Is Property damage, but it is not violence and I would actually like to go to Martin Luther King's own words. He wrote a letter to the American Psychological Association in September. Of Nineteen, sixty seven, and what he set is that looting comes from the most enraged and deprived Negro, and allows them to take hold of consumer goods with the ease that a white man does by using his purse often, the Negro does not even want what he takes. He wants the experience of taking. Negroes have committed crimes, but they are the derivative crimes, and they are born on the greater crimes of the White Society, so when we asked Negros to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by the law and the ghettos as well so I think we need to have some perspective on what exactly we're seeing when we call that violence and looting. I think it's. It's so interesting to hear you say this and it really made me sit up Wendy Rae said it, because this is how it's being framed and I have to say that we are being. Criticized by by some very prominent members of the black community from Lebron James to various people in Congress to all over that, we're focusing maybe on the wrong thing that we go just to one area, and not to the other area with our cameras and lenses and our reporting, and it's really really interesting to try to break it down. I want to say obviously because you are the the producer of the sixteen thousand nine hundred project four hundred. Years Since Slavery in America and you won the Pulitzer Prize for your work on that. And you and you've said you know. Among other things people who've been left out of the social contract find no need to adhere it, and then somebody sort of you know checked you on that, and said not left out excluded from the social contract, and you kind of agreed. You agreed with with being. Term checks so to speak on that. Absolutely I mean this is the thing you are asking. People who community have been looted or decades who don't have proper schools who don't have proper amenities who have been you know when we see someone killed by the police that is the worst manifestation of police violence, but it doesn't get to the daily police violence that doesn't end in death, the daily degradations that black-americans phase of the fact that these communities have been appraised on Bhai predatory lenders. You know it goes on and on, and so when we when we think about how someone taking an act to take something from some big box name store It is symbolic that one pair of shoes that you've stolen from. FOOTLOCKER is not GonNa Change Your Life, but it is a symbolic taking, and so when we think about what the social contract was, and who created it. It is that if you follow the rules. If you do the right things, then you will be able to access and. And that has never been true for black Americans particularly for the lowest income MO- segregated black Americans, so you cannot a regularly not include them in the social contract regularly violate the promises that this country makes to Americans and then at this moment in time say well you should abide by the laws and the rules of our country. Because that's the right thing to do. There's no reason to expect that that people who have regularly been left out well. Comply with this right now. And so building on that back in two thousand sixteen, you wrote an essay called the grief that White Americans can't share for years ago. What is that grief? In this country, White Americans are raised to think of themselves as individuals, and they have been allowed for four hundred years to be individuals, but black people are a collective. We our collective, because by virtue of being signed the race of black. What we were and we're not able to do legally what circumstances we would live in what schools we could go to what neighborhoods we could live in what jobs we could have were all constrained by our membership in a race and to this day we see incidents. It doesn't matter how much education you have. It doesn't matter what type of job you have. You are treated. As, a black person in this country, which means your rights can be violated at any moment, and so we see this as a collective pain, these are not individual incidents of rogue cops. This is a continuing pattern of violence against black Americans and even though I. Don't know George Floyd he's like a family member. I know that what happened to him could happen to my uncle. It could happen to my cousin, and that is the grief. I think that is very difficult for white Americans to feel. Maybe they have felt it in. Incidents like nine eleven were there was this kind of collective grieving, but that is our regular experience that collective grieving for the desecration of black life is a regular daily experience for black people in this country. So important to hear from you and this whole hour. Hearing about what's happening and what needs to happen in the future Nicole Hannah Jones. Thank you so much for being with us. And finally in dark and painful times like these we wanNA swerve a little, but we wanna give thanks to those who bring light and joy and hope. For a lifetime of doing just that the great artists, the mega performance artist Christo has died, he died over the weekend of natural causes. He was eighty four years old, and he was famous for rapping iconic monuments and landscapes in reams of colorful material. He fled Communist, Bulgaria in nineteen, fifty, seven during the Cold War and he spent fifty six years in the United States. States where he created some of his best known works in one, thousand, nine, hundred three, he surrounded eleven islands off the coast of Miami with pink fabric. It looks like a Mirage blowing in that bluewater in two thousand and five, he mounted thousands of Orange Gates in central park in New, York that took twenty six years to get permission from the city, but perhaps. Perhaps. One of his most powerful and important works, particularly in this context was taking a symbol of tyranny and oppression, the Nazi era. Rush Tag, Berlin and wrapping it in one hundred thousand square meters of soft cloth tomorrow, the emergence of a new democratic and Free Germany when I spoke to him when I spoke to Christo during his London Exhibition. He told me that is. Is used under violent and harsh Soviet communism towards him, never to concede not one millimeter of his freedom, and we can see that happening on the streets of the United States today, those were powerful words them and their powerful. Now that's it for us. You can always catch US online on our podcast and across social media. Thank you for watching and goodbye from London.

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Thursday, June 18: Martha Raddatz, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, Laverne Cox

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Thursday, June 18: Martha Raddatz, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, Laverne Cox

"Subscribe to our podcast to get hot topics delivered every afternoon, and while you're at it, rate, US and Labor Review. Green. New views starts live right now. ABC News Chief Global Affairs. Correspondent Martha Raddatz. It's hot topics with a sneak preview of her bombshell interview with the man. The president doesn't want you to hear from former. National Security Adviser John Bolton. Is the president lying. Yes, he is, and it's not the first time you plus Houston police. Chief Art. Osservato is live to talk about taking to the streets alongside protesters if he thinks the GOP police reform bill is a step in the right direction, and he says defunding the police is a bad idea. And after this week's historic victory for Lgbtq Rights Laverne, Cox is telling you her mission to change Hollywood's view of the Trans Community. Here come hop topics. With. Whoopie, joy, Behar, sunny hostage in and Megan McCain now let's get things started. Good morning welcome to the viewers. A JAM packed show. It's crazy around here right now, but the White House is suing to block the release of the book the room where it happened by former national security adviser, John Bolton and joining hot topics ABC News Anchor. Who sat down with Bolton for an interview. It's amazing. Martha Raddatz how you doing today and boy. Is this a blockbuster? It is a total blockbuster. I'm telling you page after page is just jaw dropping. What John Bolton says President trump throughout the book throughout our interview, and there's lots more of that interview to come on Sunday. Well as you know He. Is raised about the. For months, he's been trying to keep it from being published, but he's been tweeting of the last twenty four hours calling Bolton a liar and a Wacko I. mean he actually Divvy Hire Bolton? Wild to have him say this is all the case with bolt now when he praised him when he left what what's happening here? Well, he certainly did praise him when he left, but the President says he fired Bolton Bolton says he resigned after seventeen months, but the extraordinary thing here is. This is the highest ranking person we have heard from who was in that White House. House, who was side by side with president trump for seventeen months. This is the most comprehensive account from that high representative official. We have heard and he he uses frames a phrases like president trump radic, stunningly uninformed ignorant of basic facts. He thought Finland was part of Russia thought it would be cool to US military action in Venezuela. This all what John Bolton is talking about. Martha Bolton is very candid in the book about his assessment of the president. As you just mentioned and you asked him about that in your interview I believe we have a clip. You described the president as erratic, foolish behaved irrationally. Bizarrely. You can't leave him alone. For a minute. He sucked conspiracies behind rocks and was stunningly uninformed. He couldn't tell the difference between his personal interests. And the country's interests. I don't think he's fit for office I. Don't think he has the competence to carry out the job. There really isn't any guiding principle that I was able to discern other than. What's good for Donald? Trump's reelection. Now based on details that have been leaking out from the Book Bolton goes on to say that the Ukraine call was that was at the center of Trump's impeachment. Charges was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to his abuses of power, even describes an incident when president trump as China's presidency to help him win reelection in twenty twenty. What have you learned about that? Well, what Bolton says is that trump ASC president she to by US. US, soybeans and wheat, so he can get the vote in the farm state, so he could tell the farmers look I have this great deal. They're buying wheat and soybeans. And he said he heard trump pleading with she to ensure he'd win, but listen to that statement again. You just played. He does not think the DONALD TRUMP is fit to be president that is an extraordinary statement from a top official, a former top official about a sitting president. Martha Bolton always seems like odd fit for this administration from my perspective. And during his tenure, he had a number of disagreements with the president on foreign policy issues from Afghanistan to Iran. Is Bulletin disgruntled by the way things went down, and do you get the sense? He's sort of out for revenge here. What does he say as his motivation for putting this out right now? He's certainly getting a big paycheck to do it. You know we're really. Really good point because they were an odd fit from the very beginning as you know well, Meghan John Bolton is kind of a hammer. When it comes to foreign policy, and while president, trump talked tough. He did WANNA. Get out of Afghanistan in Syria and pull troops out of Iraq, and he definitely had clashes with John Bolton. John Bolton, tell you he is not a disgruntled employee. This book he says is is just about the facts. Joy, there were plenty of opportunities for Bolton to speak out back in January during the impeachment trial as we all remember. When Democrats called on him to voluntarily testify, but he declined okay, a lot of people myself included feel like his shirked his responsibilities as a public servant, and American so that he could make a buck by writing this book What does that? What does he say to that criticism well, he has been heavily criticized. For not testifying at the impeachment hearings, he says he thought they were too politicized too narrow in focus that they should have looked at several more issues that came up, but his testimony was a key point. Her testimony could have been a key point one of the things. The president's lawyer said is that no one actually heard trump make the connection between the security assistance and. And the investigations of Joe Biden. A Bolton says that in the book. He says that in the interview to me that he actually heard that the president. Of course you heard is saying that's not true. That's not true, but but Bolton says he simply didn't think he'd make any difference and now I think he's talking and writing. This book says Bolton because of the upcoming election. Right well better late than never is what I say. He's defenders decision for not testifying by saying it would have would. It wouldn't have changed anything and in a way I sort of think that may be true, because even though it was pretty much proven that trump went to Ukraine to help him with his reelection, a lot of the. Leadership in the Republican Party said that that was not an impeachable offense so I guess it wouldn't have made any difference if the also went to China. I think I think you've got a strong point. Their Joy, I think he, he does keep saying it wouldn't have made a difference and the politicization of this, and it did seem going into this that a lot of people into the impeachment hearings that a lot of people had already made up their minds. We will be back with more from Martha, Raddatz. With so much on the line in America tomorrow. The view is new with Washington DC's mayor. Muriel bowser eats a powerful political view. You won't WanNa Miss. This is not GonNa Change. Unless we change it tomorrow on the view on ABC. Hi, my name is Lydia. The founder Swat essentials in all Daschle Skincare Company or ten years ago. I created the worst softest three in one of. The recent pandemic has greatly affected my business and I need your help today offering the view. Of Our soaps Sierra. I. Ski Your Skin Healthy and happy. We are back with Martha Raddatz. It's been a huge week for the supreme. Court and we just got another major ruling this morning with the court deciding five to four to reject you know who's plan to end Obama's DACA program, which protects emigrants who came to this country? As, children Martin. How big a deal is this right now? I think this is a huge blow to president. Trump I mean this is part of his campaign promises. Immigration is such a big deal to him. But what ps you know, there are seven hundred thousand. This affects seven hundred thousand people who came into this country as children as babies some of them. who were allowed with President Obama to work in this country and not fear. Deportation I mean some of these people now young people don't even know the native language from where they came from, and once trump filed this, there was great fear they would be deported for now. They can't in one of the things. The court said about President Trump's action is they did not consider the impact on the recipients. So for now they can safely stay here. Now Martha on the heels of John, Bolton, saying he believes president. Trump is unfit for office. The Lincoln Project, a Republican Super Pac partly run by George. Conway. PUT OUT THIS AD yesterday, which calls into question trump's wellbeing when it comes to handling the job, take a look. Something's wrong with Donald Trump. He's shaky week week. Trouble speaking, trouble walking, and so why are we talking about this? And why isn't the press covering trump secretive midnight? Run to Walter Reed Medical Center. We're not doctors, but we're not blind. It's time we talk about this. Trump is not well. Now given how he has gone after Biden, saying he has quote lost step mentally, and we saw the attack Hillary for not having the strength and stamina to be president. Is this kind of scrutiny fair game? Well I. It's obviously sort of back at you. President trump for things he said about Joe, Biden and again Hillary Clinton, who he talked about all the time and her health, and they would run videos that somebody took that that he said showed she was not healthy, so I think this really is a back at you, and it will probably continue to be a campaign issue. Well this is this is amazing. Sunny I I. See Sunny has another question. Yes, yes, as we mentioned the trump administration. Martha has been trying to stop. The book's publication. Might understanding. Is that last night? The DOJ filed for a temporary restraining order to stop its release, saying what it contains that it contained classified information, and the Bolton did not go through the proper clearance process president trump has even suggested that Bolton will face criminal liability for having written it. Could this lead to prosecution for Bolton by the Department of Justice in having spoken with him to see. Seem it all worried about that? I don't think he does seem at all worried about this. I think. Key expected it. He'd already been through one process at the White House and he was cleared, and he actually made some changes into the book adding footnotes taking away some quotation marks from foreign leaders. I have no idea whether he could be prosecuted. You probably on that sunny than I am, but he he is definitely does not. Not seem worried about that, and they're hundreds of thousands of books out there right now. Probably ready to so I don't know how they can possibly stop the release of this book. Obviously, he's already done an interview with us as well. They're excerpts of the book that are leaking out, and by the way as soon as the president started talking about this, the book skyrocketed on the best seller list. Well thanks to you Martha Raddatz. It's always good to see you at. An exclusive. Interview with John Bolton on Sunday night at nine. PM Eastern right here on ABC and we will be talking to him. Live on the view next Wednesday. We'll be right back. Houston police chief art. Osservato is live to talk about taking to the streets to let citizens know that good cops are calling for change to and how he thinks Republicans and Democrats can help make that change happen next. Welcome back Houston, police, chief and president of the major cities chiefs association art. Asa Veda has been taken to the streets alongside demonstrators to call out racist and call for real police reform and he joins us. Now I'm thrilled. We are all thrilled to have you here today, chief. One of the things we want to talk about as you. One of the first city police chiefs to speak out after the death of George Floyd and you've marched in solidarity with Black Lives Matters Prost. Protesters in Houston. Why haven't we heard from other chiefs in union leaders about the atrocities that we see happening in the country, and that are very clearly not the way police officers should be acting. Why aren't we hearing for more folks like yourself? Well thank good morning, ladies. Thanks for having me. I'm honored to be here, but I think that there's a lot of speaking out I have the privilege of actually being the president of Major City Chiefs Association. which is the sixty nine largest departments in the country and the nine largest in Canada and People WanNa know. Why is this guy all over? The place is because I'm representing. Lifting, their voices on behalf of America's chief, so we have as an organization actually condemn what happen to Mr Floyd. Are condemning lot of things going on and calling for the changes we need to. Reduce these incidences where if instance it happened in our country. Chief! Vado yesterday exit. Atlanta police. Officer Garrett Wolfe was charged with eleven counts including felony murder in the death of Rashard Brooks, if convicted, he could face the death, penalty or life in prison. His attorney said in a statement that quote roles actions were justified last night. A number of Atlanta police officers called out sick in an apparent protest. This is very disconcerting to me. I thought this was something that could possibly happen in my city, or these charges appropriate, and do you worry about more police officers? Taking sick days in walking off the job because it doesn't seem worth it to them. You? Know I. think that I've been asked about that. Shooting haven't looked at it. Real closely, but based on what I have seen and known and do no. It's a problematic shooting for that officer. When the individual is running away and and so I think he's going to have a tough road ahead. Having said that I'm really proud of being a police chief in the most diversity in the country, the most ever fixing the country, our departments homegrown where minority majority department struggling minority. Minority majority city, and so far in our department, speaking for our agency, our men and women see this as an opportunity, challenging times to actually step up rise to that challenge. They know that histories watching. We've been telling them that They know that the country's watching. The world's watching a lot of our people of faith so God is watching, and so we see it as an opportunity to. Stand tall stand with our community when we do right a stand up for officers, if they if they mess up, they've got fess up. And if the sin is significant, they've got to pay the price in which means sometimes losing their job or maybe even jail but so far here in our city and a lot of other departments. The officers are standing a fast because. We're hopeful that a lot of the changes that we've call four and law enforcement. Including dealing with the social economic issues the. The health challenges. Mental Health Challenges Addiction challenges all the things that we should be addressing the nation that this is a moment that the men and women in blue the Goodman Immonen blue will will be supported by thoughtful leadership that will actually start addressing this systemic problems in our country, including the systemic gums with race relations. And that go well beyond the law enforcement community. So so chief Democrats and Republicans have dueling proposals when it comes to police reform, addressing bans on choke holds, and no knock warrants creating a database to track offer some misconduct, and the Democrats want to end qualified immunity. which shields offices from lawsuits so do you agree with what's being proposed? And what reforms you you think are needed. I think that the main street chiefs which again it's all my colleagues of some the President I'm not the you know. I'm not the czar. We support just about all of those reforms that qualified immunity. Our initial position is we don't support. It but this is twenty twenty qualified immunities an area of law that hasn't had. It hasn't been addressed a long time. And we support that the fact that the belief strong belief that we have to take a very critical look at qualified immunity to see if there's opportunities to adjust outlaw to make it easier for the community and departments to actually hold a bad police officers police officers that violate. Their their oath of office, the Constitution to hold them accountable so I. Don't think we'll ever get to the point where we'd want to get rid of it completely because we don't want to create a situation where police officers will hesitate to take. Decisive action. Protecting our community, but we're not but we do believe that we have to explore how it can be adjusted to have a greater justice accountability in our country. Chief of your department has conducted these controversial. No knock raids like the one that killed Brianna Taylor in two thousand and nineteen, one of those resulted in the death of a couple, the officer Gerard Goings was charged with murder and tampering with a government records. He has pleaded not guilty now. The Harris County da anticipates will dismiss more than one hundred and fifty drug cases handled by goings, who in two thousand and four arrested George Floyd on drug charges. There's also been criticism for not releasing dash cam videos of six fatal shootings. By in your department, do you believe that a now is the time that these types of reforms that you just mentioned are necessary will be addressed in your own house. Well, actually like let's let's start I think Whoopi Goldberg John L. A. Rodney King. Incident occurred in the early nineties. You recall there was so much pretrial publicity. That trial was removed from La County, the most diverse county in the country to Seamy Valley. Upper, middle class community predominantly white, and we know what happened with that trial. Those officers raw acquitted, and that led to the La riots that I was there as a young acting sergeant to California Highway Patrol. Fifty fifty five Americans lost their lives during those riots I really believe that we have to be careful that we don't create an environment where we just released. Video Willy. Nilly. This is the most diverse city the most diverse county in the country here in Harris, county and Houston I'm really concerned that if we release things before the criminal cases are heard that we remove the ability of the people of Houston to render judgment, and if it ends up in East Texas, that looks nothing like this melting pot. That's an injustice, so we need to be thoughtful. We need to remove the emotion and at the end of the day I, just had a I, I I've been showing the video state law allows us to. To to the families of our suspects that were deceased, they've been able to see him and the majority of them so far of the six. Don't want to release, so we're GONNA come up with an actual process, the DA on talking. We're going to let the community weyand Mayor Turner. Mayor has set up a committee that hopefully by September we will come up with a very thoughtful rules to be able to let the community know here's what we think is what the community thinks and we can be consistent in the way we approach these A. Challenging circumstances. More with chief art as surveyed Oh when we come back. There's this misconception that eating healthy means sacrificing the foods and flavors. You enjoy hours of meal prep. Grilled chicken steamed Broccoli every single day. So how do you make life a little simpler? That's where freshly comes in. They understand the food needs to be delicious, healthy and easy. Because let's be honest. 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Desk Chief as Oh one of the questions that as running around right now are questions about this defunding the police you've testified both before judiciary committees in Congress, that defunding the police is not the answer to solving the social and economic problems in this country. In fact, the Houston City Council just voted to increase the police budget by nearly twenty million dollars. Why do you believe cutting funding is the wrong move? Well I think for lots of false equivalents right? We have to choose one or the other There's an abolitionist movement, our country, which for them it means get rid of the police There's a a movement that says we need. Take away some of the responsibilities of police in give them to other entities. We don't disagree with that, but a colleague of mine yesterday conference called nailed it on the Isa. Look is kind of like. If you're going to build a new sports stadium, you don't you don't tear down the old sports stadium. And stop using it until the new ones new, so we have to be very thoughtful, because I know in my community, which is disproportionate, one point two million calls per year for service, our communities of color that are being victimized by violent crime, and I got news for folks. Those communities of color deserve both public safety security of safety and security and the social economic of educational. Mental Health Public Health. And Employment Opportunities as other community so I. Don't think that they don't want less police. They want better policing and they want the same opportunities of other communities have, and so if you go talk to to to people in Houston, they're going to say no, absolutely not. We don't want less policing. We want better policing, and why should I have to give up? My security to get the other opportunities, other communities have, and so we're going to fight for both I think that covert showed that the congress can print trillions of dollars. When Cohen impacted the whole nation, they can make those kinds of investments in poor communities in communities of color, including poor communities to happen to be white folks as well so There's a lot that could be done and we shouldn't give people. False choices that that just aren't based in fact. So you know. We were looking at all of these incidents that are happening around the country, and of course there's now outrage over the hanging. Deaths of two young black men found days apart in California, after one was initially ruled a suicide this week. A Hispanic man in a black teen were found hanging in Texas now Rep. Sheila jackson-lee is calling for a thorough investigation. Since one is in your jurisdiction. What you? What are your thoughts, is it? Is it a good idea to really have everybody. Calm down, so we can out what these actually are! Yeah I, think it's. I always told people all. You can think of deep breath, but I'll be wrong with. You will be one when I heard about the one. We had in our city. To realize they history of our country, and Lynchings, and I'm glad that Lynch five become a federal crime and appears there's allow momentum when somebody's found hanging for a trip special personal color. We can't just. Willy Nilly ruled as a suicide. We've got approach it like it's a homicide. Start at that level until we. Crossroad T.'s dot our. I's lead. No stone unturned to sure it was in fact a suicide. So the one that you're talking about. Our City was spinning out of control right away. We actually reach out to the family. Individual sadly had suicidal. Thoughts. But I told my team. I want to go back and sure that we've looked at all video cameras from a ring. Public safety cameras everything ensure believe was a suicide, so we owe it to our community into the deceased families to treat it as a homicide. To make sure that we don't have a murder that's being covered as arm aside. As Right fascinating. Thank you for coming and talking to US always feel free to come. You're welcome here interview. We'll be right back. The Supreme Court just made a quantum leap forward for LGBTQ right? So how does laverne Cox say? Hollywood is still behind the Times find out next. The view from home is looking a little different. These days put. This is still the one place daytime morning. Senator Coburn thanks for. Where the biggest names in news come to be her show like yours. The deal is all new every day on ABC. Welcome back Laverne Cox is a pioneering actress, an activist for the Trans Community for all communities really and while this week's landmark Supreme Court ruling LGBTQ rights gave us more reasons to celebrate this pride month. Her new documentary disclosure exposes how Hollywood still has a lot to learn. Take a look. In capitalizing on people's fears has landed us in Nesme. Amount right now, and you have hope on one side and fear on the other. I think for a very long time. The ways in which transpeople have been represented on screen have suggested that we're not real. Have suggested that we're mentally ill that. We don't exist. And yet here hand yet here we are, and we've always been here. Please welcome the fabulous laverne Cox. Welcome back to the show girl. Morning and resign info at the all your faith as it brings me joy. Thank you. Excellent, now, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision on Monday morning, barring discrimination in the workplace because of sex which protects LGBTQ and workers. By federal law huge news especially during pride, month. were. You super surprise when you heard and do you think well? That's a good start we have more to do. I was shocked to be perfectly honest. I was completely and utterly shot. I had the pleasure of being at the Supreme Court on October eighth, when oral arguments happened my first time frame, who was quite an experience and I knew that on the side of non-discrimination we had a really great argument, but because it the very conservative makeup of the court we did. We were not optimistic, so I was completely shocked, but it's a really beautiful thing. Thing that in the United States of America we can affirm wants more than it should be illegal to fire someone from their jobs, simply for being who they are, and shout out to all the planets and the case Amy Stevens Don's Arte Gerald both Stock Average ordinary people who stood up to injustice and one Amy Stevens we should notice the very first case for transgender civil rights ever heard before the Supreme Court of the United States that. she passed away last month and she didn't get to live to see this decision, but it is a landmark moment for the Lgbtq I plus community and specifically for Trans Folks. Now. There's no question that this ruling is historic and long overdue, but as I said the other day on the show, there's still so much work to do because it's just not expansive enough in my opinion for those who might not know that much about it yet. What impact could this have in areas where inequality still very much an issue, Laverne? What folks should know. Is that for a very long time? United States? We've had patchwork so protection so in certain states and no calories we've had LGBTQ I've. Plaid's folks have had protections against discrimination, but other places as it still it is why it's still legal to fire someone from their job for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender. Now we have a law all over the country where everyone is protected and the beautiful thing that I'm not sure everyone. Is that this actually should apply to healthcare. We heard last. Friday that this administration was trying to sort of make it legal to discriminate against transgender folks in healthcare now that we have a federal law that says sex-discrimination does include gay lesbian, bisexual and transgender people discriminating against us in healthcare is also illegal. It should also be legal in housing Hud tried to do something very similar for transplants in homeless shelters and public accommodations, so that is a beautiful thing, but I would like to remind people that just because we have policies in place that protect folks. It doesn't necessarily mean that the hearts and minds of our citizens are changed. Last week we had to transgender women who are murdered Dominique. Romy fails. Milton. Tony mcdade a black trans man with murder by the police in Tallahassee Florida two days after George Floyd this week. To more transgender folks were found murdered, so public policy doesn't change hearts and minds. We have to do that work within ourselves within our communities with their friends and families and in the media, and that's why I'm so excited about our documentary disclosure. That's hearing tomorrow and Netflix's worldwide, but I I. Got You. Megan congratulations on your new netflix documentary. In the country Laverne you know emotions are at an all time high these days, and in the current climate, there are dissenting. Opinions are often met with backlash. How do we have these difficult conversations? If we're not willing to listen, or if the fear of saying something wrong leads to silence. I'm so glad you ask that question I. think that so much of what is going on in the country is that we're operating from a place of five to freeze. Human beings are nervous systems. When we were in the woods, and we see a bear, we are programmed to fight that bear to flee that bear or to freeze and I think so often when folks feel called out and feel accused of being racist transphobic, they go into that fight, flight or freeze response all of a sudden. We're on defense and we're are limping Olympic. Part of our brains, not in our prefrontal CORTEX, and then we're just are in survival mode. We're not in a place where we can really hear fully. Hear each other and so as Corny and is. Sort of allegedly snowflake as its downs, we have to create safe spaces so that each human beings feel in their nervous systems that they are safe so that we can have conversations with love and empathy and so I'm not a fan of cancel culture. I'm a fan of giving people space to feel safe, so they can take Ritz and make mistakes and be transformed right, and we can't be transformed if we're constantly feeling. In fight free survival mode in defense mode. So, Lavar in an executive. Okay. Let's talk about your project now. Because before we run out of time, you're an executive producer of a powerful new netflix documentary called disclosure, which focuses on house transgender people. have been represented or misrepresented in Hollywood throughout history. You quote a statistic in the film. Eighty percent of Americans don't actually personally know someone who is transgender. So most people what they think about transgenders is basically coming short from the media. So is that enough? What impact will that have? I think. Knowing that statistic, the responsibility changes I think for artists and I think there's just so much information that we don't fully understand. The folks seen disclosure so far have had so many Aha moments so many revelations. They're saying. I never thought about that before and I. Love this movie and I didn't realize that it stigmatized trans. Folks in this way and folks are having so many Aha moments. I spoke to rename Brown earlier this week and she said it's the most beautiful thing that about own. Own Owning our story. She says that when we deny our stories, that story defined this. And when we can own our stories, we can write a brave new ending. She said that disclosure is owning the story and giving us an opportunity to write a brave new ending I think we can think about that in terms of the history of racism and white supremacy in this country. How do we own that story? So we can write a brave new ending, and so I think with disclosure the. Educational Opportunity for so many will because so many people don't even understand how problematic things have been and the Moma thank are going to be amazing for folks. You know you are always welcome to come back and talk to the folks here because it's always, it's always eye opening and I. Thank you for coming It's an amazing thing. Now, I'm seeing half a question. And then I'm hearing music and I'm not sure which thing I'm supposed to, but but I'm going to tell you that a you're hosting. can't cancel pride COVID, nineteen relief benefit for the LGBTQ plus community I'm June twenty fifth and make sure that everybody you check out disclosure, which premieres June nineteenth on. Netflix and we of course will be right back. Hey welcome back. Hey, we just got some good news. Our friend Raven Simone just got married as kind of wonderful so congratulations. To you raven wonderful. Fabulous, I think she's coming on the show on the next little while, too, so that'll be great, and so we want everybody to have a really great day today. Try just have a great day. Take a little time to enjoy view. Wash your hands China make a meal I'm GonNa.

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Tuesday, Aug. 4: Martha Raddatz, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, Laverne Cox (Repeat Episode)

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Tuesday, Aug. 4: Martha Raddatz, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, Laverne Cox (Repeat Episode)

"You're listening to an encore episode of the view. The CO hosts will return Tuesday September Eighth Live for season twenty, four premiere. You'll next hours bugged because the view starts now. ABC News Chief Global. Affairs correspondent Martha Raddatz Hits Hot Topics with a sneak preview of her bombshell interview with the man. The president doesn't want you to hear from former national security adviser John. Bolton is the president lying, yes, he is, and it's not the first time. Houston, police chief art also veto is here to talk about taking to the streets alongside protesters. If he thinks the GOP police reform bill is a step in the right direction and why he says defunding police is a bad idea and after the historic victory for Lgbtq Rights Laverne Cox is telling you her mission to change Hollywood view of the Trans Community. Here come hot topics. With whoopie joy, Behar, Sunny, Austin, and Megan McCain. Now let's get things started. Go morning. Welcome to the viewers a jam packed show. It's crazy around here right now. But the White House is suing to block the release of the book, the room where it happened by former national security, adviser, John Bolton, and joining hot topics. ABC News Anchor. Who sat down with Bolton for an interview, it's amazing Martha Raddatz how you doing today and boy is this a blockbuster? It is a total blockbuster I'm telling you page after page is just a jaw dropping What John Bolton says about President trump throughout the book throughout our interview, and there's lots more of that interview to come on Sunday. Well as you know, he is a raised about the book and for months he's been trying to keep it from being published, but he's been tweeting the last twenty four hours calling Bolton, a liar and a Wacko I mean, he acts to be higher, Bolton? I mean. It's kind of wild to have room. Say This is all the case with bolt now when he praised him when he left what what's happening here. Here. Well, he certainly did praise him when he left. But the President says he fired Bolton Bolton says he resigned after seventeen months. But the extraordinary thing here is this is the highest ranking person we have heard from who was in that White House who was side by side with president trump for seventeen months. This is the most comprehensive account from that high ranking official we have heard and he he uses frames. Phrases like president trump is radic, stunningly uninformed. Ignorant of basic facts. He thought Finland was part of Russia thought it would be cool to. US. Military action in Venezuela. This is all what John Bolton is talking about. Martha, Bolton is very candid in the book about his assessment of the president as you just mentioned, and you asked him about that in your interview, I believe we have a clip. You described the president as erratic. Foolish behaved irrationally. Bizarrely, you can't leave him alone for a minute. He saw conspiracies behind rocks and was stunningly uninformed. He couldn't tell difference between his personal interest. And the country's interests I, don't think he's fit for office I I. Don't think he has the competence to carry out the job there really isn't any guiding principle that I was able to discern other than. What's good, for Donald, trump's reelection. Now based on details that have been leaking out from the book, Bolton goes on to say that the Ukraine call was that was at the center of Trump's impeachment. Charges was just the tip of the iceberg when it came to his abuses of power, even describes an incident when president trump as China's presidency to help him win reelection in twenty twenty. What have you learned about that? Well, what Bolton says is that trump ASC president she to by US. US, soybeans and wheat. So he could get the vote in the farm state. So he could tell the farmers look I have this great deal. They're buying wheat and soybeans, and he said he heard trump pleading with she to ensure he'd win but listen to that statement again, you're just played. He does not think that DONALD TRUMP is fit to be president that is an extraordinary statement from a top official, a former top official about a sitting president. Martha Bolton always seems like an odd fit for this administration from my perspective and during his tenure, he had a number of disagreements with the president on foreign policy issues from Afghanistan to Iran. Is Bulletin disgruntled by the way things went down and do you get the sense? He's sort of out for revenge here. What does he say as his motivation for putting this out right now? He's certainly getting a big paycheck to do it. You know we're really good point. Point because they were an odd fit from the very beginning as as you know. Well, Megan. John. Bolton, is kind of a hammer when it comes to foreign policy and while president trump talks tough. He did want to get out of Afghanistan in Syria and pull troops out of Iraq and and he definitely had clashes with John Bolton. But John Bolton tell you who he is not a disgruntled employee. This book he says is is just about the facts. Somebody's. Joy, there were plenty of opportunities for Bolton to speak out back in January during the impeachment trial as we all remember. When Democrats called on him to voluntarily testify, but he declined. Okay. A lot of people myself included feels like he's shirked his responsibilities as a public servant and American so that he could make a buck by writing this book What does that? What does he say to that criticism? Well he has been heavily criticised. You're not the only one for for not testifying at the impeachment hearings. He says, he thought they were to politicize too narrow in focus that they should have looked at several more issues that came up. But but his testimony was a key point. Her testimony could have been a key point. One of the things the president's lawyer said is that no one actually heard trump make the. The connection between the security assistance and the investigation of Joe Biden of Bolton says that in the book he says that in the interview to me that he actually heard that the president of course you've heard is saying that's not true. That's not true. But but Bolton says, he simply didn't think he'd make any difference and now I think he's talking and writing this book says Bolton because of the upcoming election. Right well that the late. The never is what I say his defenders is just decision not testifying by saying would would it wouldn't have changed anything and in a way I. Sort of think that may be true. Because even though it was pretty much proven that trump went to Ukraine to help him with his reelection a lot of the. Leadership in the Republican Party said that that was not an impeachable offense. So I guess it wouldn't have made any difference if he also went to China. Right. I think I think you've got a strong point there. joy. I, think he. He does keep saying it wouldn't have made a difference and the politicization of this in it did seem going into this that a lot of people into the impeachment hearings that a lot of people had already made up their minds. We will be back with more from Arthur branch. Come on now? The view from home these days. Well, it can be unpredictable. We don't know what's coming and that means neither to you. So let's start. This is going to be good, but this is still the only place in daytime low ladies of the view Martin. Where the biggest names have, you heard it first on this show, we the people are the ones that have the power from their homes to are for. Off the biggest challenge for us, you have to say what you're going to say, and then shut up. We're not there. Them, we have the same weird, the view. These facts how we roll. On ABC. We are back with Martha Raddatz. It's been a huge week for the Supreme Court and we just got another major ruling this morning with the court. Deciding five to four. To reject the, you know who's planned to end. Obama's DACA program which protects emigrants who came to this country. As children. Martha. How big a deal is this right now, I think this is a huge blow to president trump i. mean this is part of his campaign promises immigration is such a big deal to him but were there seven, hundred, thousand, this affects seven, hundred, thousand people who came into this country as children as babies some of them. who were allowed with President Obama to work in this country and not fear deportation I, mean some of these people now young people don't even know the native language from where they came from, and once trump filed this, there was great fear they would be deported, and for now, they can't. In one of the things, the court said about President Trump's action is they did not consider the impact on the recipients. They can safely stay here. Now. Martha on the heels of John Bolton saying he believes president trump is unfit for office. The Lincoln Project, a Republican Super Pac partly run by George Conway put out this yesterday which calls into question trump's wellbeing when it comes to handling job, take a look something's wrong with Donald Trump. He's shaky week trouble speaking trouble walking. So why are we talking about this and why isn't the press covering trump secretive midnight run to Walter Reed Medical, center? We're not doctors, but we're not blind, it's time we talk about this. Trump is not well. Now given how he has gone after Biden saying he has quote lost a step mentally and we saw the attack Hillary for not having the strength and stamina to be president is this kind of scrutiny fair game. Well, it's obviously sort of back at you. President trump for things. He said about, Joe. Biden. And again, Hillary Clinton, who he talked about all the time and her health, and they would run videos that somebody took that that he said showed she was not healthy. So I think this really is a back at you and it will probably continue to be a campaign issue. Well, this is this is amazing sunny as I see, sunny has another question. Yes. Yes. As we mentioned, the trump administration Martha has been trying to stop the book's publication. My understanding is that last night the DOJ filed for a temporary restraining order to stop its release saying what it contains that it contained classified information and the Bolton did not go through the proper clearance process. President trump has even suggested that Bolton will face criminal liability for having written. It could this lead to prosecution for Bolton by the Department of Justice and having spoken with him to see seem at all worried about that. I don't think he does seem at all worried about this. I think he expected it. He'd already been through one process at the White House and he was cleared and he actually made some changes into the book adding footnotes, taking away some quotation marks from foreign leaders. I. Have No idea whether he could be prosecuted you probably better on that sunny than I am, but he definitely does not seem worried. Worried about that, and there are hundreds of thousands of books out there right now, probably ready to ship. So I don't know how they can possibly stop the release of this book. Obviously, he's already done an interview with us as well, and they're excerpts of the book that are leaking out, and by the way, as soon as the president started talking about this, the book skyrocketed on the best seller list. Well. I'm thanks to you Martha. Raddatz. It's always good to see you. We'll be right back. Houston Police Chief Art Asa veto is here to talk about taking to the streets to let citizens. Now, that good cops are calling for change to and how he thinks. Republicans, and Democrats can help me that change happen. So much on the line in America. This is not GonNa Change unless we change. The View is honored winner of the Emmy. Award. Because now when it matters most, this is the place to be her the Emmy Award, winning view on ABC. Welcome back Houston police chief and president of the major cities chiefs. Association Art Asada has been taken to the streets alongside demonstrators to call out racist and call for real police reform and he joins us now I'm thrilled we are all thrilled to have you here today chief. One of the things we WANNA. Talk about as you were one of the first city police chiefs to speak out after the death of George Floyd, and you've marched in solidarity with black lives, matters, prost protesters in. HOUSTON. Why haven't we heard from other chiefs in union leaders about the atrocities that we see happening in the country, and that are very clearly not the way police officer should be acting. Why aren't we hearing for more folks like yourself? Well. Thank you. Good Morning. Thanks for having me. I'm honored to be here. But I think that there's a of chief speaking out I have the privilege of actually being the president of a major city chiefs association, which is the sixty nine largest departments in the country and the largest in Canada and people. I know why? Sky All over the place because I'm representing an lifting their voices on behalf of America's chief. So we have an organization actually condemn what happen to Mr Floyd. Are condemning a lot of things going on and calling for the changes we need to. Reduce these incidences where if against that happened in our country. Chief ACA Vado yesterday ex Atlanta police officer Garrett Ralph was charged with eleven counts including felony murder in the death of Ray Chard. Brooks convicted, he could face the death penalty or life in prison, his attorney sadness statement that quote roelfs actions were justified last night, a number of Atlanta police officers called out sick in an apparent protest. This is very disconcerting to me. I thought this was something that could possibly happen in my city. Or these charges appropriate and do you worry about more police officers? Taking sick days in walking off the job because it doesn't seem worth it to them. You, know I think that I've been asking about that shooting. I, haven't looked at a Roof closely. But a based on what I have seen and a known and do no. It's a problematic shooting for for that officer when the individual is running away and and so I think he's going to have a tough road ahead. Having said that I'm really proud of being a police chief in the most diversity in the country. The most ever speed in the country are departments homegrown where minority majority department. Department serving minority majority city, and so far in our department. Speaking for our agency are men and women see this as an opportunity, challenging times to actually step up rise to that challenge. They know that histories watching. We've been telling them that they know that the country's watching the world's watching and a lot of our people of faith. Oh? God is watching, and so we see it as an opportunity to. Stand tall stand with our community When we do right a stand up for officers if they, if they mess up, they've gotTA fess up, and if the sin is significant, they've got to pay the price in which means sometimes losing their job or maybe even jail But so far here in our city and a lot of other departments, the officers are standing fast because we're hopeful that a lot of the changes that we've called for enforcement. including, dealing with the social economic issues, The the challenges, Mental, Health Challenges Addiction Challenges, all the things that we should be addressing the nation that this is a moment that the men and women in blue. The good minimum blue will will be supported by thoughtful leadership that will actually start addressing this systemic problems in our country including the systemic problems with race relations. And that go well beyond the law enforcement community. So, chief `Seveso Democrats and Republicans have dueling proposals when it comes to police reform addressing bans on choke colds, and no knock warrants creating a database to track offer some misconduct and the Democrats want to end qualified immunity which shields offices from lawsuits. So do you agree with what's being proposed and what reforms do you think are needed? I. Think. That, the main street chiefs, which again, it's all my colleagues of the president, I'm not the I'm not the czar We support just about all of those reforms that qualified immunity. Our initial position is we don't support eliminating it, but this is twenty twenty qualified immunities an area of law that hasn't had. It hasn't been addressed long time and We support that the fact that the belief strong belief that we have to take A. A critical look qualified immunity to see if there's opportunities to adjust outlaw to make it easier for the community and departments to act to hold a bad police officers, police officers that violate their their oath of office, the Constitution to hold them accountable. So I don't think we ever get to the point where we want to get rid of it completely because we don't want to create a situation where police officers will hesitate to take. Decisive. Action. Protecting our community, but we're not But we do believe that we have to explore how it can be adjusted to have a greater justice and accountability in our country. Chief your department has conducted these controversial. No knock raids like the one that killed Ron Taylor in two, thousand and nineteen. One of those resulted in the death of a couple. The officer Gerard Goings was charged with murder and tampering with a government records. He has pleaded not guilty. Now, Harris County da anticipates. It will dismiss more than one hundred and fifty drug cases handled by goings who in two thousand and four arrested George Floyd on drug charges. There's also been criticism for not releasing dash cam videos of six fatal shootings. By. Officers in your department. Do you believe that a now is the time that these types of reforms that you just mentioned are necessary will be addressed in your own? House. Well. Actually like it let's let's start I. Think Whoopi. Goldberg was in L. A. When the Rodney King. Incident occurred in the early nineties. As you recall, there was so much pretrial publicity that trial was removed from La. County the most diverse county the country to Seamy Valley. Upper, middle class community, predominantly white, and we know what happened with that trial, those officers raw quitted, and that led to the La Riots. I was there as a young acting sergeant to California. Highway Patrol fifty, fifty, five Americans lost their lives during those riots. That, we have to be careful that we don't create an environment where we just released A. Video Willy Nilly. This is the most diverse city that most diverse county in the country here in Harris County and Houston. I'm really concerned that if we release things before the criminal cases are heard that we remove the ability of the people of Houston to render judgment, and if it ends up in East Texas that looks nothing like this melting pot, that's an injustice. So we need to be thoughtful. We need to remove the emotion and at the end of the day I just had a I. I, I've been showing the videos. State law allows us to to. To the families of our suspects that were deceased. They've been able to see him and the majority of them. So far of the six don't want video release. So we're GONNA come up with an actual processed the DA Kim Organi talking. We're going to let the community Weyand, Mayor Turner. Our mayor has set up a committee that hopefully, by September we will come up with a very thoughtful rules to be able to let the community know. Here's what we think is what the community thinks and we can be consistent in the way we approach these very. Challenging circumstances. More with Chief Art Vado when we come back. We are really strong women. People need to hear what women have to say. That's us. We will back you what we will stand with you anybody who's anybody who wants to make it to the next level in politics has to come on this show. Talking about the issues. Everyone is talking about at home in his up to all of us to continue the conversation. The audio, I'll see you on the view. Say Veer. That's enough. The view is sponsored by indeed. We are back with chief art our savannah. Megan. Gas. Chief. Asa Vado. One of the questions that as running around right now, questions about this defunding, the police you've testified, both before judiciary committees in Congress that defunding the police is not the answer to solving the social and economic problems in this country. In fact, the Houston City Council just voted to increase the police budget by nearly twenty million dollars. Righty believe cutting funding is the wrong move. Think, for lots of false equivalence, right? We have to choose one or the other. There's an abolitionist movement, our country, which for them, it means getting rid of the police There's a movement that says, we need to take away some of the responsibility of the police giving to other entities. We don't disagree with that, but a colleague of mine yesterday, a conference call nailed it on that Isa, look as kind of like if you're going to build a new sports stadium, you don't, you don't tear down the old sports stadium. And Stop using it to the new ones new. So we have to be very thoughtful because I know in my community, which is disproportionate one point, two, million calls per year for sure. Our communities of color that are being victimized by violent crime and I got news for folks. Those communities of color deserve both public safety security, public safety and security, and the socio-economic of educational mental health public, health. And Employment Opportunities as other communities. So I don't think that they don't want less police, they want better policing and they want the same opportunities, other communities have, and so if you go talk to people in Houston, they're gonNA say no, absolutely not. We don't want policing. We want better policing and why should I have to give up? My security to get the other opportunities, other communities have, and so we're GONNA fight for both I think that covert showed that the congress can print trillions of dollars. When covert impacted the whole nation, they can make those kind of investments in poor communities in communities of color, including poor communities to happen to be white folks as well. So there's a lot that could be done and we shouldn't give people false choices that that that just aren't based fact. So you know we were looking at all of these incidents that are happening around the country, and of course, there is now outrage over the hanging deaths of two young black men found days apart in California. After one was initially ruled a suicide this week, a Hispanic man and a black team were found hanging in. Texas. Now Rep. Sheila jackson-lee is calling for a thorough investigation. Since. One is in your jurisdiction. What's your? What are your thoughts as it? Is it a good idea to really have everybody calmed down. So we can figure out what these actually are. Yeah, I think it's. Always people we can think of deep breath, but I'll be with. You would be when when I heard about the one we had in our city To realize the history of our country and Lynchings, and I'm glad that Lynch has become a federal crime and appears there's allow momentum. When somebody's found hanging from a tree? Especially, a personal color, we can't just. Willy Nilly rule it a suicide. We've got approach it like it's a homocide start at that level until we. Cross. T.'s dot our I's leave. No stone unturned ten. Sure. It was in fact a suicide. So the one that you're talking about in our city was spinning out of control right away. We actually reach out to the family individual sadly had suicidal. Thoughts But I told my team I want to go back and sure that we've looked at all video cameras from a ring fallen public safety cameras, everything ensure believe was a suicide. So we owe it to our community to the disease families to treat it as a homicide. To make sure that we don't have a murder that's being covered as side. As a suicide season. Right. Fascinating. Thank you for coming and talking to us. Always feel free to come. You're welcome here. Interview. We'll be right back. The Supreme Court just made a quantum leap forward for LGBTQ, right? So how does laverne Cox say Hollywood is still behind the Times find out next. Welcome back Laverne. Cox is a pioneering actress and activist for the chance community and for all communities really, and while this week's landmark Supreme Court ruling for Lgbtq rights gave us more reasons to celebrate this pride month. Her new documentary disclosure exposes how Hollywood still has a lot to learn take a look. Been Capitalizing People's Veras, what has landed US nesme amount right now, and you have hope on one side and fear on the other. I think for a very long time. The ways in which transpeople at been represented on screen have suggested that we're not real have suggested that we're mentally ill that. We, don't exist and yet here I am yet. Here we are and we've always been. Please welcome. The fabulous laverne Cox welcome back to the showgirl. Morning and Basan, they'll get to all your faith as it brings me joy. Bank you. Excellent. Now, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark decision on Monday morning, barring discrimination in the workplace because of sex, which protects LGBTQ and workers. By federal law huge news especially during pride month. Were you super surprised when you heard and do you think? Well, that's a good start we have more to do. I shot to be perfectly honest. I was completely and utterly shocked I had the pleasure of being at the Supreme Court on October eighth when oral arguments happened my first time frame court who was quite an experience and I knew that on the side of non-discrimination, we had a really great argument. But because of the very conservative makeup of the court we did we were not optimistic. So I was completely shocked, but it's a really beautiful thing that the United States of America, we can affirm once more than it should be illegal. Illegal to fire someone from their jobs, simply for being who they are, shout out to all the plane and the case amy. Stevens Don's Arte Gerald bostock average ordinary people who stood up to injustice and one Amy Stevens we should notice very first case for transgender civil rights that was ever heard before the Supreme Court of the United States that Amy she passed away last month, and she didn't to live to see this decision, but it is a landmark moment for Lbj Q. Plus Community and specifically for Trans Folks. Now, you know there's no question that this ruling is historic and long overdue. But as I said the other day on the show, there's still so much work to do because it's just not expansive enough in my opinion for those who might not know that much about it. Yet, what impact could this have in areas where inequality is still very much an issue laverne. Well WH- folks should know is that for a very long time in the United States, we've had patchworks protection. So in certain states and certain localities, we've had LGBTQ. I've Plaid's folks have had protection against non-discrimination, but in other ways it still it is why it's still legal to fire someone from their job for being gay lesbian bisexual transgender. Now, we have a law all over the country where everyone is protected and the beautiful thing that I'm not sure everyone understands is that this actually should apply to healthcare. We heard last Friday that this administration. Administration was trying to make it legal to discriminate against transgender folks in healthcare. Now that we have a federal law that says sex discrimination does include gay lesbian bisexual and transgender people discriminating against in healthcare is also illegal. It should also be legal in housing tried to do something very similar for Trans, folks in homeless shelters and public accommodations. So that is a beautiful thing, but I would like to remind people that just because we have policies in place that protect folks, it doesn't necessarily mean that the hearts and minds of our citizens are changed. She's last week, we had to transgender women who were murdered Dominique. Romy fails riot Milton. Tony data black. Trans man was murdered by the police in Tallahassee Florida two days after George Floyd. This week to more transgender folks were found murdered. So public policy doesn't change hearts and minds. We have to do that work within ourselves within our communities with their friends and families, and in the media, and that's why I'm so excited about our documentary disclosure. That's tomorrow and Netflix's worldwide. But. We, got you. Megan congratulations on your new Netflix's documented You know in the country laverne. You know emotions are at an all time high these days. In the current climate. There are dissenting opinions or often met with backlash. How do we have these difficult conversations if we're not willing to listen or if the fear of saying something wrong leads to silence. I'm so glad you asked that question I think that. So much of what is going on in the country is that we're offering a place of five light of freeze, right? As human beings are nervous systems when we're in the woods and we see a bear, we our program to fight bear to flee that bear or to freeze and I. Think. So often when folks feel called out and feel accused of being racist transphobic, they go into that fight flight or freeze response. All of a sudden we're on defense and we're in our limped Olympic part of our brains, not in our prefrontal Cortex, and then we just are in survival mode, and we're not in a place where we can really hear fully hear each other and so as Corny and is. allegedly. Snowflake as it's down, we have to create safe space so that each in human beings feel in their nervous systems that they're safe so that we can have conversations with love and empathy, and so I'm not a fan of cancel culture. I'm a fan of I'm giving people space to feel safe that they can take Ritz and make mistakes and be transformed right and we can't be transformed. If we're constantly feeling I'm firefighter free survival mode in defense mode. So LAVAR executive. Okay, let's talk about your project. Now, because before we're out of time, you're an executive producer of a powerful new Netflix's documentary called disclosure, which focuses on house transgender people. have been represented or misrepresented in Hollywood throughout history. You quote a statistic in the film, Eighty percent of Americans? Don't actually personally know someone who is transgender. So most people what they think about transgenders basically coming through from the media. So is that enough what impact will that has? I think. Knowing that statistic, the responsibility changes I think for artists and I think there's just so much information that we don't fully understand the folks who seen disclosure so far have had so many Aha moment. So many revelations they're saying. That before and I love this movie and I didn't realize that it's stigmatized Trans folks in this way and folks are having so many Aha moments. I spoke to Rene Brown earlier this week, and she said it's the most beautiful thing that about owning owning our story, she says that when we deny our stories that story defined this, and when we can own our stories, we can write a brave new ending. She said that disclosure is owning the. The story and giving us an opportunity to write a brave new ending. I think we can think about that in terms of the history of racism and white supremacy in this country, how do we own that story? So we can write a brave new ending and I think with disclosure. It's an educational opportunity for so many because so many people don't even understand how problematic things have been and the moment that you're going to be amazing for folks. You know you are always welcome to come back and talk to the folks here because it's always, it's always eye opening and I thank you for coming. It's an amazing thing Now, I'm seeing a half a question, and then I'm hearing music and I'm not sure which I'm supposed to do. But I'm going to tell you that you're hosting can't cancel prior to covid nineteen relief benefit for the lgbtq plus. Community on June twenty fifth and make sure that everybody you check out disclosure which premieres June nineteenth on Netflix and we of course will be right back. Hey welcome back. Hey, we just got some good news. Our friend Raven Simone, just got married as wonderful. So congratulations at least. Raven wonderful. Fabulous I. Think she's coming on the show on the next little while too. So that'll be great, and so we want everybody to have a really great day today. Try just have a great day. Take a little time to enjoy the view, wash your hands China, make a meal I'm GonNa.

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