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20190804

Brethren of the Lord Jesus Christ

05:54 min | 1 year ago

20190804

"She's obviously serious thing and <hes> some Christians will tell you you like only those who have been married in charge are really married. The others are only caters or only those who are married by Pastor <unk> owner who has a state license for marriage are married. The real truth is that God does not care about church buildings. He doesn't care about the state licenses. When you have sex with with a woman you become one flesh with her and this is clear in the Bible and that is the marriage you're married not so sexist marriage and that's why you're not supposed to have sex with the multiple people in your lifetime of course you can that you can become the the your wife might die for example and so on but <hes> what we see among Christians today is a completely different view of match. It was at a place where where Satan Jesus suit will sitting Annie's notional Christian and he son John was there and he had find a nice woman seemed I found a good woman and it turned out that they had had sex and instead of congratulating he some for the marriage which God says is this notional who is not born again. Satan visa suit instead road up the the passage in the Bible where they I started to stone the doctor arrests than talking about I think he's liberty ten twenty or twenty ten or something where it says S. that both the both the man and the woman are to be stoned to death at for for adultery so this person is not a man of God doesn't have the whole goals who has the spirit of error totally totally. Aron totally outer lettuce tried to lead his son in a totally wrong directions by finding the opposite divorce I or what was true because this was not a case of adultery case match between two people. They had taken place and no priests. The here on earth could ever make that marriage more complete if you have some celebration in church doesn't make that marriage more complete now. There are certain things in the Bible role that I want to add to that for example. If you're married to women you are to note. The claims that she's not your wife. You are too <hes> for some believe you say I'm not married to her. You know your liar so also if you <hes> for example. I don't want to talk about that. You are married to or don't want to talk about that. She's your wife. Then God will look Republicans. You're supposed earth. God really does exist and he will look upon that and see you're treating act still remain said God. It looks upon <hes> looks on sex marriage. Now there are situations where they're not. That's not appropriate for example north just mentioned flea fornication but that's regarding prostitution and in the case of prostitution. You have the case where the soul to speak wife goes to have sex with someone else probably the same day. Hey or so so so that councils marriage anyway because the one thing that cancels marriage is <hes> fornication. If one of the part of the man of the woman the wife would happen has sexual intercourse with another person occasion see that's actually adultery and that councils <hes> that that makes the the that the marriage can can be cancelled that 'cause then that woman is has become one flesh with another man so you get into a messy situation. That's the kind of things that can happen when you have an unsaved past or charge a notional Christian a safe delegates diesel suits if he's GonNa take the totally wrong you know and to go so totally wrong with your own son it is. I think it's only possible if you feel the spirit of antichrist. I don't think it's possible for you know you do care about your son. You know is your jive. You know so. I don't think it would be possible for you to be done just randomly by accident so it's worse than error. It's actually the wrong spirit in that person. God bless the body of Christ by for now.

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HOUR 1: John Collins Suspension, Devin Booker's Ascension; Caron Butler, Radio.com NBA Insider

Big Time Basketball

1:22:56 hr | 1 year ago

HOUR 1: John Collins Suspension, Devin Booker's Ascension; Caron Butler, Radio.com NBA Insider

"This Gallup House you're on the radio DOT COM for digital network ABC's Cerruti is always joined by the White Mamba Ride. Scalp Greenie do is where you ask. AWESOME SCALP AT CLEVELAND. WE'RE HANGING ON CLEVELAND. Yeah because as I say here Other Other Hotel Day for your boy over there hanging out now again. This is like a a road trip where you get back till Saturday. You got three straight road games right. Yes so we have Cleveland which is underrated game on this tournament on this trip and in in Charlotte which is the return of Kemba Walker which is always find like that kind of stuff jumbotron action whatever it may be Tribute video and his San Antonio at the Celtics never win in San Antonio so anytime you can go. I always feel like anytime. You're in the Western Conference and you win a game. It's a big deal l.. So hopefully they take care of business tonight and then we move on and You know just start knocking out wins because there is a settling in period in the NBA NBA. Which I'm not sure that we've got to that point yet? They're still like kind of weird performances early in the year. But I there will be a settling import. Maybe that's this tweak. Maybe it's next week well spit. Yes settling in. I mean one of the ones that we gotta figure out if it's real or it's not is the sons the son's five and two. They beat they got a big win over the sixers last night Devon Booker your boy huge night forty points in that Windsor. We'll get to that a little bit later. We got some breaking news. Bad News for your hawks all you around that we got Kendrick Perkins coming up later today. We've got Karen Butler coming on later today. But you and Kendrick Perkins were like leading the charge for the Hawks playoffs appearance. This season I was again I was. I was very skeptical of them too young team. I think they were probably a year away. They lose probably their second best player John Collins for twenty five games another another drug suspension in the NBA I guess it's it's it's a supplement to supplement that they found a growth hormone in there. So who knows. We'll get into the VAT a little bit later as well. Plus Anthony Davis drops a nugget about him. Potentially wanting to sign with the bowls. This off season go hometown gopro hometown team in Chicago. We'll play that sound react to that as well well but Scott. I think we've got to start with we start with breaking news and that's the John Collins story you know is this. Is this a stick. Stick a fork in them. They're done twenty five games the second best player now trae young back tonight there. Oh and three including the game he went out and so i. I feel very vindicated in my. You know my my list of guys that are most Oh support to their team's success. I had trae young fifth or fourth on that list but definitely in the top five. They haven't won a game since he's been out. He comes back tonight but they lose their second best player in John Collins to a drug suspension in twenty five games. He is trying to work out an appeal but as it worked out de'andre and he you know he's serving twenty five games so that didn't really work out for him at all so that we're looking you know. Mid To late December for return for John Collins is that I mean is that Kinda the death nail in the coffin. Here for the Hawks playoff chances this year I mean I think so because even trae young on does return like John Collins is the perfect type of player to play with trae young. He dies hard to the basket that puts trae young and those those situations which I really like him in Guy Dive in shooters on the perimeter. You take him away. It's a big drop off. I thought John Collins could have been an all star last year in the Eastern Conference. I thought for sure he would have gonna all start this year. I just think he's is position. He's one of the better for retire. Hard guy to prepare for hard guy to guard I probably gives Coach's nightmares this twenty five game suspension. It's just GonNa hurt them. I mean they're on the verge anyways of making the playoffs or not right so you anytime. You're in a situation Asian where you miss a guy for twenty five games. It's going to hurt them and so what to see if trae young now we'll start to see what trae young is really made of you. You bring up the point like he's really small Kennedy carry a team. We'll see if he's if his size comes into play. My guess is that his size will come into play with with collins out because just things get exposed. It's a little bit more. He really in contact really good connection yet. Collins is a guy who I mean I. I've been pleasantly surprised at how good he's developed into do an NBA player. This is a guy who is averaging seventeen a game he shooting forty seven percent from three. He's a he's a solid solid number two behind trae young and as you said perfect complement to him and and there was some of those other young guys who have been really impressed with this year. Kevin Herders obviously coming back from injuries and other solid player. They have cameras. Who who I guess may step into the starting lineup up at that four spot? It'll be interesting to see what they do there. But I I can't see them overcoming this. Yeah this isn't some sort of anti trae young thing but like we talk about this with Steph Curry Curry. Even now I can this guy carry a team and put a team on his back. You know I think they're similar type steps a little bit taller. But I I think they're similar type. Build Guys I. I don't know of trae in his second year in the League without his without basically the Robin if he's the Batman even in the Eastern Conference at isn't that great at all I would argue that that the the back end like like I don't know four through thirteen or so in east actually is really competitive. They might not be you know there are title contenders or anything but there's some competitive teams in there and and it's GonNa be. It was going to be tough for them to get into the playoffs anyway. Without their second. Best player I can't see them overcoming S. It's if if you know if trump takes that next step he may be an all star this year. Who knows maybe maybe a couple of years down the road? If he grows a little bit more ends up being like the superstar player he'd be able to overcome something like this. But the hawks. But and you're too. I don't see it happening scale. I think this is. It's interesting right Miami Boston Milwaukee Toronto. There's the top five teams right now in the East I could see those teams can be some shuffling going on there. Villi Miami me whatever right. Yeah but these teams are blowing me away. I'm just watching these guys. I've been impressed with the hawks minus trae young but think about it Charlotte Indiana Brooklyn Atlanta. DETROIT ORLANDO Cleveland Washington. Chicago New York like like none of those teams are blowing. You you out of the water so you have six seven eight three teams that are going to get it. When when Indiana gets depot back? I feel like they're like a long right but like you news. Not a lack of Detroit's on a lock so I sit here and say it's going to be tough for them but you never know how that stuff is gonNA unfold. Always Orlando was a lock watching them but offensively expensively not that great offensively so and it'll be interesting to see Lloyd Pearson will have to really make money where you know with Colin out and begin his guys back but we'll see maybe camera now opportunity to play more and you. You never know what's going to happen. My guess is they'll struggle but who knows then I said it was other teams aren't really blowing me out of the water. Yeah I mean the the statement that John Collins gave This was to ESPN. I I want to apologize to my teammates. The Hawks Organization are fans partners community as a whole for the situation. I understand the impact. This matter has on what we're trying to achieve this season and I'm incredibly frustrated and disappointed in myself for putting all this a- all Boston this position I have always been credibly. Careful about what I put in my body. I took a supplement which unbeknownst to me had been contaminated with an illegal component. I plan to appeal my suspension in arbitration. So I can get back on the court soon as possible and continued to contribute to our nineteen twenty campaign. I'm confused I was joking around in our in our slack channel earlier like he's claiming that it's a supplement unbeknownst to him it contained growth a growth hormone. I don't know I don't know a ton about supplements or growth hormones but that seems like a little bit of a stretch to me. Ah You mentioned something before like like we don't see a lot of drug suspension in the NBA. Like we don't see a lot of you know whether it's steroids each H.. Whatever any of these like we just don't see it? It's usually like one a year. No joke joke. No a couple of years ago got popped this year. We've already seen the entre eight and get twenty five Games Wilson Chandler and now John Collins like we you know we talk in other sports like baseball ball. You get one hundred game suspension or whatever. It is for testing positive for something. We don't see the tunnel football. You get a four game suspension. We almost never see it in basketball. Is that like what's the testing likes. Likes Gal do you like hot. What's is it testing so so it's really interesting right? This is what I do know. So he if you inject a h typically you won't find it in urine it's a blood sample thing but if you ingest hgh you'll find it so and also it's pretty well documented that ingesting. Hgh doesn't really do anything for you. The only way to actually make a difference for you to use it with a needle so you could say your growth hormone was at this and now it's at that but that's blood so I think with your I. I actually believe that he's telling the truth in this situation and and I mean you gotta just be careful with supplements because people can put anything in there and to make things work or it's just it's just it's really shady. Industries Industry's not regulated by anybody so John Collins. That's more than anything it's just being dumped like I don't I don't know what you were taking. I'd like to. It'd be a great if we have some serious transparency with this to say like well what were you taking. Show us the bottle okay. Where'd you buy it at wind? You buy don't just now run to the store and say Oh yeah I bought this. Well show me show me the credit card statement when you buy it and so if you're making a legit case I wanna see all that documentation tation which I the League tells you if you get pop with something and you say it's from this and that they're they don't they don't waiver on their spend you. You can't just take all these random things but there is a difference between paying like a doctor ten thousand dollars to come up with this formula where you can get bigger stronger faster and going into GNC and has taken off the shelf. I that stuff might work a little bit. It's not anything what we're what we would think like an Olympic sprinter or Lance Armstrong. or any of that stuff. There's another level to what those guys are doing. So I wish we got a little bit more transparency because everyone says the same thing I win the GNC Selfsame Bank mistake you know. I just drank something. It was something in my in a protein shake that I had you know Blah and you're just like come on man like we're we're we're not dumb right like we it's a I'm not even said about it like I don't care like I get these guys. Want WanNa be the best athletes they can be and you get caught. It's not going to be mad at you. It is what it is I mean. Maybe hawks fans are mad at him. But I don't know is what it is I'm not gonna I'm not GonNa hold over this guy's head for a while but like at least you're you won't be honest with us. Don't just don't don't don't act like you know I was born yesterday like I understand like that there are some shady stuff going on. I imagine there are guys in the league that get that don't get caught that are doing shady stuff that's just how it is in life and sport or whatever and got caught the other world just twenty five game suspension own up to it. Yep Sorry I was trying to cheat the system I got caught my bad. I'll serve about twenty about game suspension. Yeah but I want. I want more information. You won't private investigator I want. See the bottle. I WanNa read the bottle. I want it all out there. It's just like everyone dances around this. Aw I took something. I wasn't supposed to do. They put it in there. I didn't know about it right so I don't I don't buy any of it I like I like for someone to come out and really like not like put them on trial or anything but like let's get some. Where did you buy it? Where did you buy like what? When did you by how long you been taken it? You know like more than just oh man. I accidentally took something wrong and it got me twenty five games. Oh well I don't believe I I think if you got duped then you're GONNA be mad. He's probably lose his contract. Six hundred thousand dollars six hundred dollars. Six hundred thousand. Yep you better be using something. That's working for that kind of price. You know like you think like oh I accidentally did something wh- It was six hundred grand on the line. Did you really accidentally do it so I just I would. I'd like to have more transparency. Personally you know I'm with you but I mean I think the reason that we don't have more transparent because we know the answer that he probably wasn't some shady Dr putting putting something in a milkshake that he didn't know about it was probably more like yeah. You know I was just trying to Kinda cheat the system and I got caught up in the world but I don't know it'll be if you do that. owner nobody. Nobody everybody's it's everybody's fault but your own like oh I didn't know you gotta play the gotTa play the innocent car I get that it's about protecting your image but I I would respect that guy so much more. If they were just like try to cheat it didn't work out. Sorry I'll serve about twenty five games will move on. That's that's okay. I'm okay with that I really would scale I really. It'd be refreshing. I wonder who wouldn't be okay with that. I mean clearly. Yeah he right. No one takes accountability. You're right yeah so all right. We'll be interesting to see how that goes. I mean as I think both of us think that it's GonNa be really hard for the hawks sorta overcome this so I will say because in the same way that I got to get out of Jail Free Card Scowl for my warriors playoff. Pick because of this because the Steph curry injury I will offer you a get out of jail now for your hawks but why not why not. We'll never know it's unfortunate. I I don't I don't I don't think on one guy like that. I think the hawks are good. I like the culture all that stuff. No no no no injuries injuries. Like twenty five game suspension. That's a different animal. When I factor in WHO's making the playoffs factor trae young missing ten games? I do like that part of me and thinking going to be out I got. I got to think about all that stuff right. I just like I thought when Steph curry and all that he was going to Miss Games what the warriors are GonNa be out so I- factor all that in the twenty five game for getting her performance. Enhancing drugs I didn't really factor actress in but I'm not taking a now. I get the hawks making playoffs. Okay all right fair enough. Your manager word. You're you have more integrity than I do. I guess Gal I'm sorry so I I ran right away for that. Get Out of jail free card. I don't want any part of that worries playoff Dick. Although last night Eric I'm not listened. We'll get a little bit later with with with guys like Perkin and Butler. Because I listen I said it before the year. I don't want to hear and take credit. I'm a little nervous about Portland. Is that Collins. Injury Odyssey hurt but that is a bad bad loss. Before on the loose to a Steph Lewis clueless draymond lists obviously Katie list now Warriors team that was basically starting a bunch of guys that they got off the street last year but the aircraft look really good. So we'll get into that a little bit later but let's move on to this because this was really the story of the late games last night and it was the it was the sun's handing the sixers their first lost the year. No embiid for the sixers honestly like the way that Al Horford played. I don't look at that as a negative towards that sons when that was a that was an impressive as hell win. But the sun's taken down the sixers. There's and I'll say this Gal. I think that was Devon. Booker is a guy who scored seventy points in a game. It's guy who scored sixty points in a game. I would argue that last night was the most impressive game of his entire NBA NBA courage. He drops forty was great. Defensively play making this team. I don't know again. I don't think they're going to be a playoff team but I think they can be the kings of last last year. Where like they're hanging around late in the year? There's final I don't know they're not sniffing them. They're not you don't think they're making the playoffs. Do you scale you know what it let me tell you. Yeah exactly and Brian and Ryan mcdonagh those guys. It's hard because when I if if Aron Baynes was in Boston I would be so hard core that Boston. It's going really good this year. Like really good. Not Not like where they're at right now. I know they have. I would just say say listen. They have scoring. They got they got everything they got. Baynes right and I. I try to convince everybody. That Baines was the main like. I always thought baynes manager manage and San Antonio I thought he was a man Detroit. I thought he's a man here in Boston. But the one thing that stands out is Devon Booker loves running screen role. We'll throw to get it back with Aaron Bain. The he gets wide the hell open every time he comes off a screen for with vein. So if Baines is going to be if I would say like last year if Sacramento had Aron Baynes during another category Phoenix is in another other category. Because of Aron Baynes Baynes is not just a screener bruiser. Fallen Steph curry break. His hand type of guy. He's skilled he could shoot. He can really pass yes he can really move the ball side to side. I mean there's a lot of things that he can do. He could score down low. He can catch him finish like I get it. He had weaknesses so he the five million dollar big but he is really important for the sons and he's really important for winning. So the sons have a chance because of Aaron Bain now now Aaron Baynes had dealt with some injuries in the past and he misses some games. What to see how important Aron Baynes is you? Didn't he didn't make Cerruti top five lists when it comes to guide to most most important team but Aron Baynes is really an and mcdonough pointed out yesterday and it was as clear as day when you're watching them against Philli Booker's coming up wide open wide open. Every time he comes off air and bank so I think I think Phoenix for real and I think they're going to be in the in the mix coming from April not February March April. It'll be in the mix in April. Why did the Celtics traded him away? T to Phoenix. Thanks for a future protected. Lot of first round. Pick and twenty twenty. Why did the Celtics let go pains? Because I'm with the he was so valuable in the way that they're so short in their front court. Now I'm with you like if they had beans the Celtics takes by being interesting team talking about coming out of the East so to get to the thirty cameras number thirty five thirty three. I'm not sure what his number was to get to that number. You had to dump veins I. It's such a stupid thing in the cap and like trying to explain to Boston. Fans what happened like okay. Scout Couch splendid me why we traded away Baynes who makes five million dollars and then we sign and his canter who makes five million dollars. So yeah you got the first clear the money Eh to sign Walker then you use an exception to sign kanter. You can't use an exception to sign your own guys now. I'm sure there's a reason for for that. But it would be great if they could have just like it. Baynes could opt it out and then he could have just signed back with with Boston for the same amount of money but it doesn't necessarily work. I like that so they had to get rid of that money to to get under Kimball Wada to get Kemba Walker which is so funny too because it's all about this tampering stuff right and they were mad at Kyri ghosting them and they were mad at Al Horford seem to already signed the deal with with with billy wasn't coming back so they're like for us is to get Kimba trae Bain. So it was the funniest thing with top sucks Tommy Heinsohn Psych Scou- come here for a second so explain saying this to me. We got three draft picks Aron Baynes in the first round. We got we drafted to guide. And we don't have Aron Baynes. Tell me how this is a good draft raft. And I'm like I think it has to do with clearing up a maxwell I think I think we're GONNA sign Kemba Walker. That day is a day. I realized that Kyrie not coming back. And we're signing probably going to go after and get Kemba Walker in the same way that we talked yesterday about like whether or not the boogie cousins injury was a blessing. Nothing in disguise for for the Lakers. Could we start talking about. I mean the air and Baynes gets inserted into the starting lineup by the way I Phoenix lineup. Like Ricky Rubio Devon Booker Oubre is. He's actually sneaky good. He's he's actually a nuclear Charlotte's at the power forward. Now Aaron Bain stepping in for Andrea Eight. And that's actually not. There's not much of a drop off there right now. Abbott Baynes and De'andre and in fact you might argue. That Baines is a better fit there what you were talking about setting shrines like this Phoenix team is good. And it's IT'S I. I was a little bit skeptical of the Rubio thing. I've I've always kind of liked Rubio. I think he's I think he's always he's got. He's underrated players because he had so much high expectations when he got drafted. Didn't really live up to being a superstar. He's pretty good point guard. I thought he had a good run there in Utah but this they're starting lineup even coming off the bench bridges Kaminsky like I kind of like what they're doing but I'm not I'm not. I'm just not willing to say that. They're going to be a playoff team. They're five and two right now. They sit in the second best record in the entire Western Conference. Only behind the Lakers at five and one I I. It is weird to me though scowl because yesterday we talked about Devon Booker because we were joking around. We'd take Cerruti. Why not because you just talked about their better than Portland right now? Lost Guys and Portland team. Cheer Portland Portland. They lost They lost a Mohawk obviously lost nurse Gates that Collins or now they're they're hurting right right now. There's no doubt about that but I I wouldn't be surprised if like the you know. Lillard is so good and mccollum is good too but Lillard is so good that like I could see him ripping off ten wins in a row and getting back in this thing at some point that I don't think they're going to be there. I don't think it's better than a bottom seed. Bottom plop seed eight nine eight seven eight maybe in the western conference but I do think ultimately they will be a better team the Phoenix Exxon. Maybe this being sons are a year away. I don't know but it were seven games in. This is what my point was gal about the Devon Booker stuff because we were talking yesterday about Devon Booker. You brought up. How the fact that you trust him more than Jaanus gone is at the end of the game and I said you know? Let's see Devon Booker like place a meaningful basketball games. I right he has been in the League for fifty years of the previous four years. He has not played a meaningful basketball football game and his entire career. This is the first year. Looks like they're gonNa Start Pushing for a playoff spot and that is really awesome. Because I do think and we talked about it weeks ago is he a quote unquote empty. Stats Guy. I don't necessarily. Oh I think he is. But what put me off about booker and I think what put. What's what? Put a lot of people off about Devon Booker and his pass was score seventy points in a game but it's a blow out against the Celtics Baltics and you know he was just chucking up shots at the game and it didn't really mean anything. It was complete garbage time last year. Resource Sixty against the jazz. There was again blow out. They end up putting him in. He had fifty at the Yankee at fifty-six or something and the coach in in the last minute just to get the sixty and it was meaningless game and he caught. It looks like he was a stat pattern. That way. I've never questioned him as a score. He's I think he's one of the best scores in the entire league yesterday. Ryan mcdonagh The guy who drafted him said he committed to said he had James Harden type skills with the ball and I think the most impressive thing from last night was defensively. He was he was a great defense. A couple of sequences where he blocked Josh Richardson. He was locking guys down on Philly defensively so I am impressed with booker. I am impressed with the suns. Only stunned games in. I feel like there's this faction of people whether it's like NBA twitter. Whatever guys that like? They're Super Devon Booker. Stand they they want to say. Look I told you like. He's not a terrible player. I never said nobody ever said he was a terrible player. They just questioned whether or not his basketball. You know whether I his scoring his prolific scoring soaring sixty in seventy points would equate to winning. So far has this year in seven game scout. But I'm not ready to say that all of a sudden like you know he's an MVP candidate and this is a lock playoff team here in Phoenix. Why can't you be in the Middle Man? You gotta be so I am. I am in the middle. I am in the middle. I just feel like guys are I. Gosh getting ahead of themselves saying see. I told you booker. This book that Dude I book is really good. I don't know if he's a number one or maybe a number two. I'm not sure where he lands in that number he's a number one booker's good. Did this issue with booker has just not on good teams any any any not about winning. So far I mean that might be With an insurmountable task for him but once again are you are you are you. Hi Minnesota or not I I am I think very much like the bill bill bill. Cool off a little bit Minnesota or Phoenix. I kind of I think I like. I like Phoenix. More our This year but I don't think either them playoff team. I don't think either of them is blasting go Oklahoma City Sacramento Memphis New Orleans outright. Yeah for sure okay. So now we're only talking about Portland. Utah Minnesota all you gotTa do is be better than one of those three the teams. That's it that's not that hard like cordless not good not good. You could talk about like I dunno circus coming back but when he does come back they'll be good. I know they'll be good. I don't know when he's coming back the leg. Broken half okay. Yeah okay so Minnesota I'm not sold on that's it. They got to be better than those two teams and they're in like they're going to be the gotTa Catherine. Yeah Yeah I agree. You're convincing me. I guess I still I still I can get this good Sacramento's not good like I'm still neutral neutron Oklahoma City but New Orleans. We thought they were good. They're not that good so like like Phoenix could make the playoffs and Devon Booker. You're stoppable you have to admit like he's a beast in awesome. He's been awesome. Yeah I would say maybe a top ten or in the league right now especially wings score the guys his the the things he has in his bag or unlike anything most guys have been leaked. What's he's six five six six like? He's he's got good size like he's he's he's great jump shooter. He's he's underrated playmaker. I think but my my issue with him in the past and it will bring in Caramba or coming up here in a couple of minutes and I'll ask him about this as well. My issue with him in the past was Ben and not all of this is on him. Well when I bring up like that. I'm not super impressed. With his first four years and all that scoring stuff is because the sons have averaged twenty one wins over since they drafted him. They've ever twenty. One wins over the past four four seasons that is by far the lowest in the NBA. The Knicks the Knicks. The Nets are second at twenty. Seven the Lakers at twenty eight. Those are the worst but the sun's at twenty one so I always just sort of felt like appease this guy. He's this great player. You GotTa average more than twenty one wins per season with your at that. One thousand nine wins last year. I know they were kind of taking at the end so didn't really matter but I'm happy. Take this step. I am taking the middle ground scale. I just feel like people are so quick to be like. Look I told you so about the sons and I told you so about Devon Booker. It's seven games. I'm really happy for. I'm happy that they're winning. But I think we need a pump. The brakes just a little bit. Although and I just ain't teams. I still would favorite Portland to make the playoffs over them. Even if even even even though their injuries have been tough and even even if they are missing a bunch of guys yeah I just listen I. I'm critical of Devon Booker for the things that he did. Because I don't think I don't think you ever do that kind of stuff. Like over seventy per sixty. I don't I don't believe basketball is played like that to understand when I play with my friends or like like like eighth grade. Boys are like whoever I'm going against like. I don't believe that you should play for that. I believe you just play to make the right play and you should empower people around you and all that I'm down on him for that but when it comes to scoring the ball the guy is another level of Gore hit the way he creates separation is insane like he can go right pull up pull up step back right step back. Let like he really doesn't have a lot of weaknesses and now now. He's learning the playoff his teammates. You watched the two men game. He had with Aaron Baynes throat ahead. Get it back come off a screen roll turned a corner us. Aaron Baynes down onscreen cut backdoor like. He's learning the other side of the game too but he also has that. Give me the ball and I go get you a bucket so like he is. He's really police. Set up this year to to to have like a breakout season. No question about it. Devon Booker Aron Baynes. Maybe second behind Anthony Davis in the bronze the best doing league. I'm I'm just kidding but seriously no. They've been they've been really good And again that's why I said forty his forty points last night. I thought that was the most imp- I thought that was more impressive than the seventy point or the sixty point game he ad because it was against against a really good team. Even if even without embiid Horford was it was a great game from Horford. So that's why I think that was Devon Booker's best game as a pro so we got a bunch more to get to get to more on this as as I said we're going to have CARAMBA or coming up next Perkins coming up later. We'll ask them both about the John. Collins suspension will ask them about the blazers lost. I also got again into this thing about. Anthony Davis potentially teasing that. He's GonNa sign with the Bulls next year is there. I don't think anybody's GonNa sign with the Bulls but could you potentially signed somewhere else. Besides Elaine with the Lakers next year so stick around West Caramba or that next. It's Gallon Palace you on the Radio Dot Sports Digital Network scall- Dot Com side aside Scalp Greenie pumped through joined by one of our regulars NBA champion and guys been all over the place. Recently covering the wizards covering the Lakers. When a bunch of stuff around the league and that's Argonne Koran Butler Koran man? What's going on man pumped to have you as always good to show up scall- so let me ask you a question like you you don't just dabble in basketball? You get into football as well like are you. Are you all things that you did in baseball hockey you are you just basically to sports. I like football and you know. I'm a huge packers fan and I know I'm coming up you norma huge fan when I have to say that losing in the fashion that we lost this past weekend but no I I love the game and I really do I. I love talking to game and you know I came up in both sports so no that would cut me off the streets. What position did you play in football? I was receiver. All right so I was GonNa say you you strike me as what because you're what six seven six eight out. I was thinking quarterback for sure. Your quarterback was Tony No way seriously. I'm always your quarterback quarterback we played in the same prince. Okay Damn all right so we had to to decent guys coming out of there. That's interesting because he was like an under he was kind of an under the radar type guy to go northern Iowa right and ended up you know got undrafted gotTA The Dallas Cowboys. So we were you guys all guys I mean obviously is two guys that went. You Know Play D. One young friendly does he hoop. Tony Romo was code. I I tell people all the time. Tony Romo Loss Mr Basketball to this one guy. They ended up going and playing years in the League and was All Star and all these things happen. His name was tub juice. The ultimate third a person elderly person. I heard I heard that That that Ben Rothlisberger also a decent hooper like he was playing with the with the he he was playing with the guys in. NBA Scout came in and he went and talked to the coach coach. Said I like this guy. The guy was like I don't know I don't know who you're talking about ends up. Being and Ben Ben Rothlisberger was like a decent hooper. That's interesting do you like I feel like all the guys like you you guys in the NBA to think they could play in the NFL and vice versa guys in the nfl they could play in the NBA. You Talk to football players are like yeah. I could've gone pro basketball. I just wanted to play football instead. Let you guys do do NFL. The players think it's easy to play in the NBA. So check this out my rookie season. Tony Gonzalez was my bed imagining. So yeah that's right here with me so he I'm telling you Tony Gonzalez would have been you're in the game that we played now like pop stretch for those types of. Because he he was able to do it in like obviously you know that he was a hybrid. He had the tunnel energy Plan it wanted. The best tight has ever played the game. I think that you know he really was a a solid basketball player in Teo is another one like ah drill. Is I still see him. Plan pickle in every league out here in Bali so you know he's another guy that really play a high level. Yeah I I played again Jimmy Graham too right. Yeah I played against Terrell Owens what stands out more anything. He didn't incredible shape at his age. He can he never stops running as happens when we do sit ups and you're driving and you got to do some working out anyway. Let's the guy. Hey let's We were talking about this a little bit earlier up. You saw the breaking news. It's getting a little bit of basketball here with you but John Collins suspended twenty five games with the hawks. Obviously you know Scou- guys like perk. They were. They were really high on the Hawks playoff team. This year missing him for Twenty Five Games is that the nail on the coffin for the hoskin. They overcome that and still make the playoffs. Or is that sort of the nail in the coffin for their season. You know what I never had the hawks during the play Austin this season but I thought that it was gonNA be sparingly citing to watch somewhat similar to what we've seen in the western conference without the Sacramento Kings past season I think we're trae young went out and you know with his injury his ankle and then all of a sudden when you have this injury is always something might be out for a significant amount of time. You know you got to committee other guys have to step up of in a major away but I just. I think that they're going to be a much better but still not be able to make the playoffs when guys get banged paying Koran there have you believe when they say man. I drink something. I wasn't supposed to drink or something like that or it's more than that. You know what I think. Sometimes it is that several and then sometimes it isn't every case is different and Hopefully in this case you know I think sometimes you can kinda. We threw it when the the press. Compasses lease. Come how when you know the guys usually apologized to the family and my loved ones and I you know what it never happened again. I'm sorry for this embarrassment. You arena between the lines that they knew that they was doing something that they probably shouldn't have been doing And it's sometimes it's as simple as wow. I had no light that you can do this. I remember I recall a players in the past and I won't get into the names but Some people was taken enhancements for you know extracurricular activities or or Pleasures after hours. If you know what I mean in the bedroom it ended up being in in being illegal because it was detected in in their bloodstream. And stuff like that so you know. Sometimes you just don't know you like wow. I took that thing I was going to have a little extra kick myself in the Costing Myself Twenty Games. Yeah you gotta be careful Massimo's drugstore sex pills dude crazy those things you gotta you gotTa stay away from those bad boys take with the prescription stuff but Yeah it is like Rome and really not Jewish. I do like this. It's called my doctor in your script. Get you get you the little blue pill up to an A.. We have you ever seen like some of the names of those things like that like one giant pill that you find that he was. He was just a joke about that. Like the one giant pills to like the gas station basically like Viagra on steroids and I couldn't believe the stuff. Doc was over the counter. That guys could just take this. It's called like you know it's called like giant stallion or whatever the hell it's called it's got some ridiculous like Innuendo name and like yeah guys. Just take the. They're guys baseball by baseball players. Take that to like get up for games and stuff like that so. I'm not surprised that you say that basketball guys doing the same thing it happens. I mean it doesn't happen you just you young and like when they when they give you a manual or they give you something to say all right. These are all the things that you need to stay away from you guys not reading through all that stuff so you need a a a class seminar or something where you know always I always say seeing is believing where you're given visual of all right. Look you cannot take this. You cannot take this. You get in mail it into their heads because some some you guys are losing millions of dollars from just you know not being educated or Crotty by the sons and like we were talking about a little bit earlier five and two second best record in the Western Conference Devon Booker. We'll get to him and his second without the Andrea in they put Aaron Baynes in the starting lineup. Ah Pan the sixers there. I laugh loss last night. We through seven games are you are you are you. Do you think that they can legitimately be a playoff team this year. No no really. Who Do you Li- license like Portland? Yeah so here's my. Here's my eight that I had in. I like the Dallas Mavericks. I like Portland I like Houston. OBVIOUSLY THE LAKERS THE CLIPPERS UTAH. And then I will have the pivot to the Spurs. I really like what the Spurs do and Dan is Denver so with those teams. I can't say that Phoenix is a clear-cut better than any of those teams. But I think that that you know with a coach in place that's going to change the culture and then you had booker buy into the concept of being the best possible version of himself being a great leader doing all these things. They're treated in right direction. They are an airside and watch and they're fun. They're going to win games like like this. But I think is premature for me with my spider senses to say that they're going to be this. This great boy down of bounce down family. What are your spider senses telling you about Portland? 'cause I I watch them I get it I I love Damon Cj. I like the way they play but they're bigs pigs. Not Good. If nurtured has gone you got you got that Collins has gone. They're not the same team they were in the past. What what what what were they last? Season it into the Western Conference finals. They did they did so. I don't see them this fall off the grid just because of like like they'll know they lost heart amino two guys. That really didn't fit well with their team. I don't think they did because because you know they wasn't catching shoot guys. heartens was getting a touch as an opportunity now. He bought into a row with the clippers. So as better for I think that when you look at the kid that came from Atlanta enjoying him was a big baby. You've got baseball. The left handed guy in all of a sudden. Have another guy at Anthony Tyler and you got that stretch guys. That can knock down shots and I think they're going to be good COMPLA- off they're not as sexy regular-season team but when you talk about getting into the half court in immediate potatoes of the game in Dick of it. I think that they're going to be a really a good team and not an easy out for anybody crowd. I'm I'm with you. I would tend to side if I had to pick one of the teams to make the playoffs like I would I would side with the blazers says over the sons. Even though I've been impressed with the sun starts so far but I do think last year like just pointing out that the fact that they made the western conference finals. I kinda think they overachieved last year and I think that might have ben sort of there that I think that might have been their peak. Not sure I think they need to bring another guy in there to really get this better especially in the frontcourt because I love game and I love. Cj but they're kinda doing around their their own right now. There's really no other help. I know you mentioned bays more but I don't I mean he's he's a role player. Nice Nice piece but I. I'm not sure he something. That's terrible. Yeah but you know I again. He's he's a piece but I'm not sure they need. They need like I think. A BONA FIDE third guides. They can count in town on night in night out that they don't have maybe that sat collins. Maybe maybe it's it's but those are two guys that obviously nurtures got. We don't know he might come back. You know I in twenty twenty some time after breaking his leg and might even be later than that so like do you think I'll look at them. And I look at overachieved last year and kind of peaked. I am a little bit nervous about making the playoffs this year. They'll be fine. I got them in ED along as they're healthy they're in. I never had golden state and in order for somebody to be out. have to be better than someone else you. You have to be at least five to eight games better than that team that you're trying to surpass and I don't see Phoenix being the reason Phoenix's ahead added a pack. Because it's a marathon. They start off fast. Start wheezing in the back Jay Z.. Shout Jason Ah hey where do you where do you stand on Devon Booker. Then because we I think I saw a lot of people last night on twitter Devon Booker stands coming out of nowhere. Saying he's see. I told you this guy I told you his stats were empty. I told US great scale and I were talking about earlier. I think he's a great score. I understand he's a he's a he's a really good. I was actually impressed by how good he was defensively last night. But where do you sit on Devon Booker as he can he be like you know the best player on a team that's consistently making the playoffs or is he more of a secondary like what. Where do you sit on Devon Booker? I think you got him in the same breath as you mentioned some of the best two guards or guys like Combo guards and a game. I thank him him. Bradley Bill Those. He's that type of guy and I think that he's not more battle-tested in Bradley so Bradley's a little different unique when you go to that because he's been able to play with another superstar John Wall and he's been able to adjust in now he knows exactly what it takes to lead a team distribution how he facilitates and all this stuff and I think devon finish the process of learning how to do all of those things but I think that when you talk about cable what he's capable of. I think he's like a Bradley beal type. That's what I would say. Hey are you more impressed with what you've seen from Luca and has your opinion of him and his ceiling changed since watching him into started. This season no ceilings. I'll never forget. They played a preseason game in Shanghai. EMAAR CUMA came over and he said you know what. CB This kid's GonNa be special. I'll I'll see you know okay. Can I just seen them in warm up. I seen a moving around a very slowly been likely possessed a lick of athleticism and then all of a sudden he gets out there on the court and he just start introducing guys the hip hop decisive left. You know get into the paint. Look offs lives. I see I see any definitely came back. This year would have different disposition at the winning rookie rookie of the year. Now he's in better shape. He understands like this is his team. He has the key to Dallas and then he has another toy to play with. We talked about Porzingas in Redcar allows the best at putting you an office of games and sets where you know. You'RE GONNA operate amazing clip. You get porzingis. Listen Luca on the left side right side of the floor even into middle. Pick and pop or Luca going downhill. Pick your poison. I mean they're just a tough tough. Cover it he. He's just killing the game right now. Is there an element Koran to the European guys that come into the NBA with some of this hype. If you know we've seen some of them be incredibly good porzingus dodgers and we've seen some flops in the past as well guys that maybe we're not you know just to software to plan the NBA it. I do European guys like almost have to prove themselves a little bit more than guys from the states when they come into the NBA. That you're like so when you play a grassroots basketball listen. Russian grew up in the eighties nineties and early two thousands your plan with a specific age group. You know some guy's made re class play up or play down. honoree class the plate now. So that's the thing over here. WE RE CLASS THE PLATE DOWN SO we're playing against younger guys so it'd be like best my cousin. He six Clinton Clinton and he's from Mississippi but he's dominating the fourteen and under I got full beard any fourteen guys I never seen. I crossed Doodo Adolfo man when I see like when I see this kid getting his ass kicked against Dusek beers up I watch out for the skinny kid be nice one day. That's what is sake. I know exactly like doll maker. Don't make a league played like at fifteen different high schools and now he's eighteen years old out of hell does. Does that happen next. What what from an international side there you gotta check it like? They're playing. These guys are legit like thirteen. Fourteen years old because Rome in they planted a world game stuff stuff like that so they're playing on the big stage. They're always planning up not down. You know what I'm saying like the competition is a little different so when the stages sat like Luca come over here he likes. This is easy because like the skill set is a little watered down. You know he's playing he's always been able to you. Know manufacturer points assists and all these things so he understands the game evaluation as little more broader. And that's why he's accelerate right now. Yeah it's a good call. I've I've read an article about him. When he was eight? They put him with tents he he busted them then they put him with twelve he busted damn then he put them with fourteen and he played like a data level for a little bit and then when he was twelve or thirteen. He's over here playing grown ASS men. I think for all the people who sit out there. You want your kid to get good. Make him playing against grown men. That's how you're capable get good okay. Good quick don't don't make exclusively like that you've got to have them play with his own age group once in a while but he your kids got to get his ass busted once in a while speaking of a guy who has believable. Oh a lot a lot agree. Hey Jimmy Butler came out and basically with going asa rudy's head basically saying why all these people think I'm not very good. I put in the work every single day. I got a Lotta guys following me. How could he be on? Jimmy Butler is back. I can be extremely good. But it's not just going to be on Jimmy Butler back but I think it's because of what Jimmy Butler brings and does that because because he'll be to automate leader in the face of that organization which he is that the younger guys are are binding right because you have a young nucleus debt. I don't know no better. You got you got you got here. You got a dragic you got all these guys. This is what I just. I'm GonNa do what where I'm GonNa go with Jimmy. LEADS IS GONNA do airspace for safe. I bought into the he calls her. And I think Jimmy. That's what he's been in search for for a long time. You look at the Minnesota situation. did work outs was likely because people that buy in the him being the guy and when the success that they did have made thought that it was mostly now and not him so it once elected to lead you know he goes the Philadelphia in pretty much. The same thing you already we have. You're too young nucleus as your core and Jimmy's like will I should be taking last shot. Now you've got people questioned saying that. Maybe ben should take embiid. Because he's he's the best big man in basketball neighboring tobias hairs over there and all these things so he you know he goes to another city where he's the guy he got every day. I pretty much to his liking built around him. I think he has a great relationship with you. Know who he wants to play with. who he does it? With Front office born to Pat Riley Riley and is exactly what he wanted to need it in he has a perfect stages setting the PRU. A lot of doubters wrong. And that's what he's doing. Who who is your Guy Koran by who is a guy that you were like man this guy makes me think was possible like it takes just being around him makes me a much much better player Koby Bryant out Joe and I always tell people this if Pat Riley taught me so much much about the game of basketball the Miami Heat organization stamping Gundy? Bob mcadoo Keith askins all those behaviors poster. It was in the film. Mhm Room talk about these guys. taught me so much about the INS and outs of the game. How to study fam how to watch films in what the look for like seems gaps? Everything but then go to the Lakers and Kobe showed me first hand in real time. Like this what it is and I was just like in all all like and he changed my whole mentality to light. Yo I can do I can do any fucking thing you know what I mean. I always knew I was a solid clear. Knows good a new athletic and all these things but once I saw him hit game winters like watch this a go do shit like this dude is different work and I knew that when I went to Washington I was have the most success that I ever had like from individual standpoint because I just came off a year of plan with the the greatest player that I've ever seen in my generation in their motto. Kobe Bryant. How is coby as a teacher Koran? Because I think you know we see a lot the guys now that sorta go and they wanna work out him in the off season to learn some stuff and we saw you know people kind of criticized Jason Tatum for that but there are a lot of guys that do do that but there are also it seems like it seems like a no nonsense guy where it was like when Dwight Howard went there in l. a. and wasn't Alwin didn't buy in one hundred percent down with the Kobe way like they butted heads like how open his Kobe to sort of teaching. Young guys like yourself at that time or other guys taking them under their wing and showing them the ropes around the league. Look if you're open to it he's going to extend the invitation and I'll tell you like that I can't. I can't tell you how many times Kobe said this muffled asked to come workout and he show up again. I'm talking about like superstars like hall of famers. Now guys. This wasn't committed to This going at it night in night night out. You know Kobe's doing days. He's doing the sandhills he's doing everything and what I said is look I'm here. I have this this wealth of knowledge at my disposal. How would I not like this maximized this as much as possible? And that's why we have a great friendship to this day is because just everywhere he went. I win every time I got to choose to compete against Kobe. Competing is code like it was just. It helped me so much as a basketball ballplayer and it also in life the base that you learn you know in the sport you can apply all those allies about life about being disciplined determined determine dedicated. You know what I mean like how to deal with adversity asset at any setting like all those things I learnt from one of the best players. There's evidence Basketball did he ruined guys some guys. That wasn't mentally ready but the game would ruin you anyway if you're not obedient to your blesses and if you don't understand how to put you pull you pull the bootstraps up. It have a lunch pail mentality you. You won't last long. It was a reason why was saying like expectancy as of NBA players only three years or three and a half years. That's because it's always five hundred motherfuckers coming. Take your job so of you not ready you. This is a man's league like immediately like Yama. AU coach your handler. Whoever you deal deal with they can't help you become a competition between this guy and this man and that man like it's a battle wheels you have to be able to impose your wheel on the situation and once you're not able to pose you're willing to situation to win that spot? Nobody feels bad for you note. No one feels bad for even when will you show the preseason training camp everything like nothing is really stone they may say like outside of the franchise that the start the last year is it stone as the starter for next year. They're trying to figure out who could be the biggest asset. Somebody may come get the most for two weeks straight and immediately elitist says this. We need to train that mother or he got to come up with a bitch and then if he got a high number is like all right we need to move him and give three him for lesser surprise. You know what I'm saying. So that's how the game were like. I is so competitive. That guys don't understand that and that's what. Kobe taught me like they have that mentality. In right disposition when you come into the space that's why the game differently is that you think that Jimmy Butler doing that in in Miami with these young guys like you think he's taken him under their wing. How is he dealing with dion waiters and James Johnson? Right now I don't they Jimmy Villawood them. I think Donna's has in Pat Riley's dealing with new anytime when you part of the Miami Heat Culture and you let things get outside the firewall and you start chirping and your mouth mouth apple slow leak you best believe that at some point you're not going to be there and I think that beyond waiters. I love him. I love his mentality. I love well. You know what he's all about when he come from keeping it thorough but at the same time gotta keep smart if you WanNa have longevity into space in your duty get another the three four years out this game. Don't don't don't let your problems out William Tower. You know what I mean and I don't WanNa see you over China or wherever liberty case may be less. That's what you're in game. Is You know because when you burn a bridge and you start getting a reputation as a guide at you know. People don't WanNa play for cancer to organization that thing get legs. Bad News travel faster than any good news ever have and you lose opportunities across. I think because the scalp try to paint me as like this anti Jimmy Butler guy. The start of this thing. That's what's Galax to do he. Words of my mouth. I know but I'll say this I'll say this you tell me you tell me what I think about this because I look at Jimmy Butler. I don't question Jimmy Butler work ethic at all I think he's he might be the hardest worker in the league and I think he's a really really good player. I don't think he's like a superstar -sarily but I think he's he's you know I think he's a really good especially on that on that sixers team like the fact that he was like kind of the Alpha but maybe embiid and even similar talented team. I think that was a good role for him. But this is a guy who has basically dot his way out of three different franchises and had been upset with three different franchises in one to leave so I kind of look at it and go at some point. Are you also part of the problem. Because you're pushing guys a little bit too hard especially younger guys and you know now. He's in a situation in Miami and I go all right. Yeah he's the guy in Miami but how. How good are they really going to be? I think they're going to be a playoff team year in and year out. I think that's fine if he wants to be the best team. But I don't think they're competing for titles anytime soon in Miami whereas I think you know with the sixers had he stayed. They're not I don't know if they didn't want to pay him so you could tell me that. They don't want to pay him in Philly but if he had stayed in Philly he could have been sort of that killer at the end of the games that the sixers kind of need right so tell me like what what exactly was his reason for. Not Wanting to stay with the sixers because I understand wanting to go and be your own man be the number one option get paid a Max contract in Miami. But he's going he would. They're probably been able to win more in Philly now. I think that you probably have more. Refugees wins in Philadelphia. I think the we talked about the eastern conference there at the top tier being one of the most celebrated teams in the Eastern Conference. Let me ask you this when you look at guys. And they played a two Gar position Shen in association right now and we can go straight to the shortlist. We all have to beat around the Bush who at to guard position one through five live. WHO's the best to way go? I love to hear you lose like Paul George. He's one of them. Played Not Planning Shirt fight. Well Gee Brad beal you gotta keep an eye out. No Jimmy I listen you gotTa tell me I love Jimmy Butler I he was he was my rook. I think he is unbelievable as a player. I think he's grimy. I think that that stuff matters. I think he believes in himself and he believes that he shutdown whoever he's going against which a lot of people say like well he's not not as good as this guy. Not Jimmy Butler doesn't think that and I think that is incredibly important to think that you're better than everyone your. He thought he was better. Better Than Lebron I. I think that's great that you thought that a lot of people are scared of the brawn. We can go down the list. We can hear the light of the big list of people who are afraid to playing being the broad playoff game or a playoff series. Not Jimmy Butler so I like Jimmy Butler. I think this is I think the biggest thing nine teams individuals have the most success is when there is nothing like CNN superstar going to Off Season with a little extra motivation. Oh Shit I came off injury. They said I'll never be saying who was that. Hey you know they is so let me go out there and prove the doubters wrong. What about the teams that achieve that people never thought digging achieve because it's a group the individuals in the locker room? They've been told what they cannot accomplish. And what they can't do so now all of a sudden they go out there and they all have auto body performances and to do something that there's been above and beyond anybody's beliefs and that's what makes the great stories and sports. Jimmy's put the work ethic again. And once you prepare in opportunity presents itself then you're able to capitalize on it. This is a great opportunity fresh. He's a father pay. He's at where he needed to be and where he wanted to be a now. It's time for him to put the world on notice in everybody's watching and I think he's doing a remarkable job at being a great lead chrome. Do People WanNa play with Jimmy Butler though because I think all these things are correct. I think he's great I think he's the top five. Maybe top. Two three navy won best shooting guard in the league. I get that But the way that he sort of grinds on people in the way that he is the one of the things that makes him so great rate is also maybe what pushes people away and put it. And we'll push people away and billy Bush people in Chicago would push people win in Minnesota. My big question is are there going to be people that WANNA go and play with him in Miami a thirty two year old. Maybe Jimmy Butler on a Max contract is that a thing that people are gonna GonNa want to join up with team up with him in Miami right now. Lou League is different Is If you if you spend time with some of these guys in all seasons could ask more. Relationships are really made in four guys always communicate shoutout to instagram and social media. And you know skype and everything else because they able to connect and have these conversations. It's like we're doing right now. A scam man almost cowan pounds. Because that's my man. He asked me to come on the players. Not Do hey Jimmy Butler. CJ mccollum was so like hey man my it will be all we missed you. Say That's the guys do those tampering. I WANNA go to mind what. What could you not love about Brian? Is that about Miami. It's about Jimmy Butler. Though it's about whether or not only photons hold on one second so rudy I I have to ask where are are you coming up with this like if that opinion is either true or not true which is or isn't how is that like why. Why is that an issue right now? We don't know if a guy will go and play with him or not we. Why would why could anybody make a definitive answer on that? Yes yes or no right now because I look at like him going to Miami and saying yeah like I'm GonNa go because let's let's be honest like this Miami team is they're not gonna be as presently constituted. They're we're not going anywhere. They're going to be a middle of the Road Eastern Conference playoff team. They might get to the second round. That's probably as far as they're GONNA go there. They need something else. Jimmy Butler isn't good enough to carry this team to a finals appearance. I I completely agree with that. So they're gonNA need to add to somebody else and that's the summer of twenty twenty one right so if the summer of two thousand one. twenty-one they have cap space and your how I just WanNa know how many guys are GonNa WanNa play with Jimmy Butler on a Max contract at thirty two years old. I don't I don't I don't see that being a super attractive destination for guys in the League. I don't and then I think you add in the fact that he has rub people the wrong way in three different cities before this before this time I simply ask. What is this Jason Wrong wrong way? Who is he rubbed the wrong way? Give me names guys in Chicago. They clearly he clearly Chicago. I don't know whoever was there in Chicago. We asked him what I then goes to the Minnesota. Obviously Karl Anthony Towns Andrew Breaking news and then Jimmy Butler Noah a little bit a little bit because Jim like no was like demand and Jimmy. He became the man right A.. Minnesota wiggins I acting like you guys are just acting like Jimmy Butler is like this misunderstood guy like they're all legitimate people around the league that that clearly did not want to play with him. Including maybe Ben Simmons in and there were there. Were definitely problems in Philly. And I'm not. I'm not making that up either Emma so all I'm saying is like has reputation. His Guy embiid their best player at. That's Jimmy's guy. So I got the war for Jimmy Butler so I wrote them beat so Ben. Simmons doesn't like Butler but embiid does roll them bead. You're not going to be like everybody. I get that. But he seems like more than I've been more than any other player in the league. Barry very polarizing. You guys at least have to admit did that to me right like there are guys around the league. That don't like his attitude and his style correct so look at we. You're right and look at this situation in Boston last year. A lot of stuff that was going on with him emotionally and all this stuff and we know the story and scary scary a mile went on I take. He talked about certain things and all of a sudden. Now kyrie's in another situation right and he spins the Dinwiddie Liberte all they like man. He's doing great leadership. Shen everything. Kevin durant loves them. He's been in a ton of time in his ear Coach Atkins Talk Richard. Jefferson's like man Calgary's different man his leadership so we can't like stay in the past and continued to light state prisoners at that moment. That's what I call sports rage. We can't do de head like we have to move forward. All right. Can't keep bunk in our horn at that situation if he moves forward and he's like that he's a better leader he has not. I had no problems in Brooklyn but it was a huge story about Kyrie was mad about the Chinese today. We all was. I was everybody's I love. I was over there in in a hotel that I couldn't go out the confines of a block radius for eight days I met I. I was born crazy over there for a minute. You know I mean look Jimmy Butler situation and what he's doing in Miami in in second that they have any type of success people say well I I just don't trust him because of what he did in my Chicago what did he do in Chicago. They built a horrible fucking roster around and he he had emotional like Outbursts about like damn. I can't win right now a frustrating. He's a basketball player. He has the right to display those emotions. I people understand understand like like you're not a robot just because you're getting paid millions of dollars. You still have emotions and when you don't display those emotions you battle with depression and then all of a sudden you have. I'm former military illness or something because you hold everything inside. So I'm glad he let the shit out that could cause trauma going forward for him inquiry and all those guys so I'm glad that they say they got a few. Yeah I would say this more than anything in the NBA and correct me. If I'm wrong like I hated my teammates who were fake. Who acting like everything was good? Whoever's like who would say things like hey man I'm all I wanNA do is win when we we all know? You don't care about winning. I rather have do that really say like we don't. We're not good enough we we're not I I'd rather have guys stay with draymond. Green said I always thought is after my first year going into my second. You gotta be authentic to who you are and the rest of the people will adjust to you. Just don't be fake those say one thing and act another way because you'll lose respecting the locker room. But if you're consistent like Jimmy Butler wants to win. We know he wants to win. He might bark but it's all coming from the same thing like he wants to win any wants to get paid. There's no question about that but he's not just about getting paid without winning as long as you're authentic in the NBA. I think people can accept you correct. Correct me if I'm wrong. New Raido appoint Roe. You'll point like ICICLES. As they say. Not Elevate gotta be you gotTa be who you are no matter what it just. Don't be fake and there's a lot of dudes if you ask me and I'm not going to tell you that my teammates that I hated the most in my eleven year career it will be the five guys who were faking shit. I just knew it they. They're they're full of it all the way through those. I rather other have the dude that was like man. I got mouths to feed. I need to get paid. I need to get my shots up. I'd rather have him then. The guy's like yeah. We gotTA play Eighteen Ball. That doesn't mean it can. Then you know what you're dealing with. You know exactly what I want. That's all I want to tell me. Tell me who you you are be real than I know. I know how to act around you. I guess we'll see guys end up joining him down there in Miami. That's I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not an anti anti Jimmy Butler guy. I'm not anti guys getting paid. Not Anti Guy speaking out about their feelings. Or whatever Blah Blah Blah. All I'm saying is that I just have to me. This guy has so you know obviously ruffled feathers and two different franchises. If you WANNA leave Chicago out of that Chicago out of that. He's ruffled feathers in two different franchises. He now Miami's happy's winning games. I'm happy for him. That's all say I just don't think team is really going anywhere anytime soon. They're going to date another piece. I can you guys at least can see that to me. Oh Hell you. We're not saying Mike Devon Booker. We we're high right now. It never booker need side pieces auditees. uh-huh it's let's use. That has the topic. They'll join. Join Miami and Jimmy Butler before. They joined Devon Booker in Phoenix. I guarantee you that Yes i. Who is the Pat Riley? You Got Miami like when Pat Riley lays down down the rings you have to listen. That's how this business works rudy. When he said I've done it before and I'll do it again? You I believe him now. No disrespect to anybody in Phoenix. Better lay down anything. Pavarotti lays down and we got Jimmy. Jimmy is going to be see this way. And you're GONNA you're going to want him on your side because he he's a good soldier he'll go to war for you okay. I'll sign with you but you can't say Miami did a bad thing breath and by signing Jimmy Butler because they might not give somebody twenty twenty one never said that it was a no brainer for them to rudy. You're saying I don't know how good Jimmy Butler could be. I don't know of anybody would wanNA play with him. So are you saying Miami's shouldn't assigned him because I wanNA play with him. I'm confused about the guy who you guys say. This guy is all about winning. I think he better situation in Philly than he does in Miami now again if they didn't wanNA sign him back. I guess what's your team. What's your favorite team? The magic here we go. Yeah that's it. I figured it is having no no. No no no no I listen I just again i. If you. If you're the heat you you saw him no brainer I get it you make the Jesuits to trade i. It's he's a perfect fit in Miami. I just have questions about how good they could ultimately be with him as their player. That's all I'm saying. Let's move never gonNA really agree on this as the good news is we'll be able to find out in the future whether or not guys want to actually go play with them whether or not there guys this summer on the summer of twenty twenty one. They're going to Miami. We'll find that out and I make sure sexy guys sooners. We find that out. They'RE GONNA sign anybody time somebody we'll see we'll see you it is. I'm sure they're going to find somebody but it's going to be somebody that's going to put them over the edge for a championship. I don't know I I have my. I have my doubts. Let me ask you let me ask you this because I know you're close with the Lakers. Did you see the sound yesterday. Anthony Davis talk and speaking of Chicago talking in Chicago. I believe it was an MBA. Okay event through Nike talking about his potential desire to play for the Bulls one day his hometown team. And we know he's a free agent at the end of the season. I think most people believe that he's going to stay with the Lakers and has no reason to leave. I don't think he would obviously signed with the Bulls either. I don't think the Bulls are a team. That are really going anywhere right now but can you see a situation after this year. That Anthony Davis doesn't receive with the Lakers. Garon move on. I really think we we should move on from this topic. I can't him saying I want to play for my home. Town one day is like hey maybe when I'm all washed up and I'm like thirty seven it'd be great to play for the Bulls. My I could see me play on my retirement tour. I don't think it means next year. Yes I think. It's all about winning for him. And Look. You don't WanNa you don't WanNA leave. The PELICANS has come to the Lakers biggest stage of basketball. An opportunity where you're twenty six twenty seven twenty eight when a championships and your window discontinued grow preserving Urban Lebron Lebron's preserving you you got the best duo in basketball on the same platform now. You're the ultimate carrot to bring another people here the marketability power what you possess in have been here and then all of a sudden you WANNA pivot and go back to appellate appellants type situation. I Sandy Chicago's not going to be better than it is a great city obviously their their championship pedigree and all that by Jordan those guys done in the past. But that's really far removed. So I think you reverse it and go all the way back to the beginning and build up again out. Take you to do that at age. Twenty seven twenty okay. You already part you. You was the missing piece in this is shown you're the guy so now continue to be the guy. Ah Continue to move this thing forward while you have this this window. Opportunity to win champions. Just why do you think he's playing it so close to the vest Koran. Because he really hasn't talked about staying there. Yeah I mean we talk with words are somewhat meaningless in a way because he said that he would love to stay in Boston last year. It'll happy back and of course he's playing in Brooklyn this year so it doesn't necessarily mean anything but he's been sort of quiet on his future. Do you think there's a reason for that. Or is it just because he wants to contract season Amasau don't case studies at the University of Harbor in this business. One at his finest rich ball probably will be mad. The Philemon this cat out the bag with this what you call leverage my friend this is how you keep leverage on society and leverage of your favorite and he's done a remarkable job but not letting the cat out the bag SAM low. I don't know what I'm GonNa do it. All it all is at all rest upon how season goes or how this. So what are you going to do when you have a twenty six year old fee. Nom in Anthony Davis. They're not growing no word or no low hanging fruit of no anthony. Davis is hanging around on any trees around here. You know so you're GonNa do whatever you have to do so accommodate his needs and wants and that's a remarkable job shot out the rich Paul in Cluj Management. It Rich Lebron. They do the best job of keeping people where you're like this roster. You guys aren't off the hook. Your job is done now. That you've got Anthony Davis Chris you gotTA do more. You gotta go out there and get another player. You gotTA figure out how we're going to bring another guy and you better find out how you're going to get a dollar like and that's the reason why I think like Lebron or a d. or whoever all these guys will play closer to the best because they do want you to go out there and continue to improve their roster that clots thing though did hurt him in Cleveland. No right because because Lebron wouldn't commit future they weren't able to bring in guys like Paul George at the end of that tenure in Cleveland. Right like that was a thing. Like I didn't didn't WanNa go there because they didn't know if the Brown was actually gonNA stay there. Well I think the guys don't WanNa go there because they knew Lebron coming to Los Angeles eventually. I think anybody that had ears and had ears close enough to have them open and no waxen on new debt. Lebron was eventually moving to show so Los Angeles where he can make. Best thing was transitioned into the space of all the things that he's doing right now and at some point they knew that the space jam to movie was done and all of a sudden he had to snowman. They knew that all these things was coming. And let's face it. Lebron was WANNA move out here at some point and you know guys knew that he wasn't going to be there. Kyrenia renew that as well. I kyrie elected to go to Another space in another location and now he's happy because he's back home so I think the end game it is just perfect. I made rich done a remarkable job at making sure that you know they was able to control all the stuff the narrative what they wanted and to put out and they're doing it right now also so Kudos to him. He's done a remarkable job as A. Are you surprised by how good Dwight Howard playing. No I really. Not because he. He's plant whenever I I. I think that people always underestimate the the whale in the heart art individuals. Dwight Howard is a is a first ballot hall of Famer and whenever you go through adversity and your life and you talk about places where you've been the White House got it to the best shapers life. He took a lot of weight now because his back issues and he said you know what if I could have done a lot of things different we did my whole like this experience in. La Differ at all the fans more myself more Alma Legacy Gore and. He wanted to make things right with Kobe. Bryant again he wanted to make things right with the Los Angeles fan base. You wanted to make things right. With with the Lakers organization ultimately wanted a god he grew up idolizing and watching with the host Superman thing she kill new one of the best big mess every play the game of basketball. You want to make things right with him. So it's easier said than done but now seeing Dwight Howard into spacey animal does platform I'm so happy full will dominate. He's xactly what the Lakers needed between him into. You see no drop off at that position in the now if you can get Andrea IGA dollar and you can get another scored piece nothing major but just another guy can go get a bucket that can offset some things. Thank you talking about bench production. The Lakers is a clear cut win the championship. Because I just feel like they have the pieces in place and all they had to stay hill crowd asked you about fellow uconn Husky Andre Drummond his rebounding numbers. This year have been unbelievable. He's had I think five of the eight game. The series had twenty rebounds. He's got four twenty twenty games contract year for him. He said that he's wanted Max deal there with the Pistons how how valuable was a guy. Guy Like drumming and A and B are we like are you wary of sometimes when guys have their careers in their contract season. Would you give him a Max contract. 'cause he worthy of that are his numbers numbers twenty twenty stop even without Blake Griffin and see that kind of guy. I seen guys get paid for this. I've seen guys walking. Learn about an eleven point eight seven and they'd be like Yo he got so much potential. I'm like mad. I don't see a hundred the twenty. He's I'll tell him he's going to be good one day. And then you know some of the short answer some policy discovers the bad contract one day but Andre Drummond is totally career for whatever you think you can't just remember Yukon. That's my wife's uconn alum. So we got a Lotta Yukon love in our family here. She actually works at Uconn. So yeah let's do you think the Pistons will pay him. I Don I once where you talk about Miami. Not Knowing where they're going. Where is the Detroit Pistons going right? Now they're having a tough year wherever Andre Drummond taken. That's where they go. They the task forever early early vacation. What about other Guy Karate? This is an interesting one because we the Pelicans a lot of people have them as a potential playoff team. They've come up short this year design. Injuries Been Top. They've lost a holiday for a game or two in there but Brandon Ingram. It's almost like his. He's he's had sort of his breakout season that we sort of been waiting for for a few years here. We thought we thought it might happen with the Lakers. talked me about Ingraham because Ingram number two pick in the draft apt still a ton of potential forty points last night even in a loss but forty points. He's looked really good. This season as the primary score for that Pelicans team. What's it like getting out the shadow of a guy like Lebron? James is that because connect- free you up and kind of you know. It seemed like he was a little bit. Stuck there with the Lakers. You saw him up close and personal night in and night out and now now he's sort of seemed to blossom into the guy that we thought he would be into Orleans talking about Ingram's development into this guy. He's now and what it's like to get out of it. The shadow of a guy like the bronze sometimes that will look people always wonder like why. Why was it so hard for Magic Johnson? Rob Lincoln the Lakers organization to trade. You have to you have to remember number. They had ingram they had Lonzo Ball. Josh Heart Zubec- A pick in cal- coups on the table and the legacy is willing willing to give that up in the PELICANS declined on trade back news. But you know this thing about that team what they would have had all those guys but to your point. The Lakers never wanted to give up Brandon Ingram for numerous reasons in UCLA. Why now because he's a guy like a score he's a guy that can facilitate? He has amazing with. He's a guy that grew up. KINDA MODEL has game at the Kevin Durant in a lot of people didn't see it because they didn't see it in enough stretches of the season but he had injuries yet things but we saw flashes the true basketball guys know guys like him possess these types of tangible in the game name. There's no sylla's he he's a guy that could do pretty much anything on the basketball court. And he strapped up when he would too. I've seen him Gartner. Okay be with no help and guys like that. For Multiple Games stretches. I hold his own and sometimes offices as defense so like I love Ingraham is doing right now. Love what he's bringing to the table and he's maximizing Opportunity Williamson being out to show what he's capable of doing so. We talked a little bit about being a one or two or three. And you talked about like maybe a three is not as consistent brandon. Ingram to me some nights forty. Some nights Five right what. Why is it hard for him to be consistent because he's still young and he's still trying to find his way? I think I think that's part of it. And we used to always ask that question. Scott like in the rooms we used to be like okay. Who who can play next to Lebron James at at the most consistent rate and you have ingram where you have these games where you have twenty six two blocks and you have cal coups but that was just you know twenty every night twenty? Every night. He was doing it in multiple waves. Like one night he has kept to shoot you off the dribble SLASHING UP HE WHO's

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Eastern Conference Outlook w/ Blake Murphy

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"Welcome to another edition the premium who spied cast. I am your host mark schindler as always before we get started. If you've not already please be sure rate and review us over on apple podcasts. That really helps us with growing this thing. Expanding on getting some more exposure We always wanna hear feedback. Get your thoughts on what we're doing and how we can make it better taylor at more to you but we have some really exciting stuff. I mean we just put out our offseason perspectives. Podcast covering every single team with team. Experts will definitely go. Check that out. Those a pretty hefty fun process so Nate is not with us today. While he's he's still alive don't worry but he currently has cogan feels like crap so he is not going to be on the pod today but i'm really psyched to be joined by one of the writers. I really look up to. Who does some fantastic work Blake murphy from the athletic covering the toronto raptors Blake how're you doing today man. Good man how are you. I'm good. I can't complain. We're about to get a snowstorm in ohio. So i'm a. I'm currently just qiuping hoping my power doesn't go out. But how are things on your own then Rainstorm here. It's surprisingly not cold enough for all this rain to turn to ice just yet we did have one pretty good snowfall and then it went back to being warm. So it's very like not wintry in canada yet. Which is a this is usually around the time that changes so i look forward to all this rain being ice very shortly. Yeah definitely so. I guess the first question i gotta ask you before we jump into what we're doing today. How how much did you enjoy your talk with the aron baynes fan club. Because we've had him on the pod before very fortunate to be one of the six hundred sixty six followed. So what was your experience like talking to him. And how excited are you for him to be part of the raptors twitter sphere now. Yeah it was great it was. He does such a great job with that account and like. I've always been a fan of the account since it came up. And obviously you know. I follow enough celtics people in an nba. People have seen it and it was always one of those things. Where like you know as a full-time being it was. It was funny but it was funny on one offs right like i don't need that much aron baynes in my time line when the sun's but now these in toronto it's perfect and like you know after after i spoke to him for that story i like shot him some of the best pictures i had saved that i think might be useful for him for future. Memes bret hart and a raptors jersey. You'll he hits the for me. It's great because like i'm a. I'm a wrestling guy. And people roll their eyes when i work wrestling references in and he's just like full bore like no. No everything is going to have a wrestling references. Very excited to be a part of it and hopefully get the bounce. Some things off of them and You know i did that story on them. But i'd i'd hope at some point. He comes on the podcast or something after aron baynes is first of many forty point nights. Oh yeah i mean. We're expecting a lot of them. I think yeah i mean. That's a perfect launching point to to go in and talk about the raptors right away so what we're going to be doing today i we're just kind of looking at it. We're not gonna look at every single team because exotic take too much time. We're gonna look like kind of the playoff contenders and where they're at in. Did they improve. Did they lose something where they at. And why so. I think you know in looking at the raptors. Obviously mentioning earned baynes projected to be the new starting center. Alex len affiliate backup to chris. Boucher resigned as well on a new deal I think just right off the bat for me. The raptors definitely lost something This offseason a loss. Logan punch market all answer baca What are your thoughts kind of. Just right away on both of them heading out toronto. After being part of the championship team and you know what they brought last year Kind of how that that hole's going to be filled. Yeah it's tough when the raptors got coli Two years ago. It was kind of something that i said at the stars. Like look you know this is all in push and those all in pushes. Sometimes come with what i have. Come to call legacy costs Which is you know it's in less. You've built a long-term title contender. You know quietly have one year left on. His deal is very likely that he was gonna leave. And then you're going to have to not rebuild from rubble but like you're gonna have to take a step back. There's gonna be a couple of transition years you'd have to figure out what to do. The bucket and ghazal does lower age. does he. not age al Family g grow. And i think you know the fact that last year has been dragged out so long as maybe eroded some of the patients for that and to the raptors credited during the regular season last year they outperformed expectations. So i think people may be lost not lost sight of like having quite but like that. This always set up a transitional period. Now i certainly understand that people who feel that too much is left riding on twenty twenty one free agency the way things line right now where fred. Pascal and malachi. Flynn are the only players under contract for twenty twenty one you know. I don't think it ojea sentence going to get done to maintain a the most possible cap flexibility next offseason. And the people who you know that that doesn't feel right to them and i get that so Now i mean i guess it's tough because i get why people don't love consecutive unsexy off seasons but like it was always going to be this way they haven't had cap space yet to to kind of re tooling and it's about shifting more and more of the responsibility to the younger guys as they enter their early prime years and seeing what that ceiling looks like. Yeah that's a great point. I mean i think just coming from a non raptors perspective. I mean messiahs always been pretty. Open that the you know even into that championship window years different. Because they got a y. But i mean that entire time. With with the rosen. Lowery and all those teams with dwayne casey actively. I mean thought that they weren't trying to win but messiah always active been looking to. Okay what can we do to become that championship team. Are we going to tear down. How are we going to figure out. And they just kept getting better I think i don't want to say telegraphed but like he's never really come out and been like. Oh yeah we're going to go for it all this offseason and i think it like you're mentioning with legacy costs with salt. Lake do really. It's not even a risk. But you like you're mentioning. Those guys probably wanted long-term deals early bachan did I don't he didn't end up getting one. But i mean do you end up overpaying those guys loose on your flexibility or do you just kind of say okay. Well if we want to get back to that spot we have to make some changes and just kinda suffer the consequences a little bit. Yeah and that's you know it's not an easy decision to make i. I understand it's You know you you have to. There's a lot that goes into that and ceo baca had been willing to do what baines in boucher ambery bambi did with this larger non-guaranteed second year that doesn't guarantee until a couple days after the moratorium ends. You had of willing to do that. I could see the raptors having gone to like fourteen fifteen sixteen million because such a valuable trade chip but i also completely understand a bacha not wanting to be negotiated with where part of the conversation is about turning into a trade chip You know and sometimes these relationships just end right like like obama had a really good stint hair. You don't use pretty safely. Played himself into like probably top fifteen raptor of all time in terms of performance even with a shorter stint and then also like how much the fans love him Any sometimes sometimes. That stuff ends. And i i think you know. The gazelle one's a little more interesting because he did time for the minimum and it makes me question if the raptors really made much rerun at all on one year deal But also like if this gazelles last season before he heads back to spain. Like signing on with the lakers is a pretty a pretty savvy approach. And it's great. We're gonna get casale against the buck on the playoffs. Maybe it'll be. That'd be a lot of fun that will be really funny So i think Another thing to point out even just looking at the bigs. I mean you wrote a really good article that came out today on what the rotation might look like in kind of projecting that out I think it was funny because last year like you. You mentioned the article. They started off with not a lot. Adapt you know and Throughout the year guys really grew in the rotation like rhonda house. Jefferson was one of my favorite kind of surprise guys. Lascaux is really didn't understand the nets letting him go still surprised he's not signed. Exactly that's one thing where i've been very confused on. Why hasn't been signed because he was fantastic coming in and playing for the raptors this last year. But i mean guys you can look at it like okay i think maybe they developing a rotation guy especially considering raptors ninety five is probably the best development track record league team in the league I mean malcolm miller who's been there pretty much forever. It seems like now is really the time he's gonna get a chance to step in. Paul watson looks really good last year in in some stretches. I mean there are like you can squint new like okay. I see guys being built up. Who is there like one guy that you think would maybe pop a little bit more this year. That or somebody who is under the radar that you're you kinda fat expectations for going into next year. Yeah mean watson's a fun one. That's like way down the board. Because he is this like of development success story and like not in the like the raptors have had a bunch of them. Obviously but watson was like spent two years in the next g. League system was like an average issue g league player and then suddenly gets in the raptors and actually even started before that he was part of that g legally team that went and played overseas and john me nine oh five coach was their coach and was like he went back to the ninety five. Gm gave me this guy. Like i think he's assistant fit and then point shooting took this enormous step forward. And you know it's funny because he checks raptors boxes like He's overage prospect slapped on smaller school works out. With rico hines in the off season like he just has all of these raptors things about him So i like him. He's on a two way. So i don't know that he's gonna play a ton of minutes out of the gate but i do think you know if there's a guy the average fan doesn't know on the raptors that could op- it's him more like higher up the chain. I'm really excited for. Oh jeez season yeah. I just think he flashed a lot in terms of offensive stuff from the skill side before the hiatus and then when the team was healthier in the relaunch many opportunities but he still had an occasional run a pick and roll and pull up in the elbow or across the guy up strand guy out at the end of the clock and pull up for three or beat a guy going left to the rim. He showed some of those things and obviously. There's a huge difference between doing it once in a while. I'm doing it regularly. But he's a guy especially if they let him go to our faa next summer you know finding out if he can jump from fourteen fifteen percent usage to like seventeen eighteen percent usage. That's the difference between you. Know your your. Dra bembry or obviously oh. Jeez defensive upside is higher but like that caliber like three d. is a very broad Description and if you can become you know as robert covington is he a little more than robert covington zia less than robert covington covington's kind of the ideal three d role guy at ten million a year. Or so. you know. Obviously oh jeez gonna make more than that because of his age and where the market's gone but like that that's kind of what you're trying to figure out with. His usage is like can you run some place for him. Can you create for himself and others a little bit or a spot up and defense which is totally fine and you know. He's an elite role player in that role but if he has a little more offensive juice to you know we saw what some other guys a older than him in a little less on. The defensive end got paid this summer in a year. we're very few teams had gap space. And i think you know part of a. I think they're not gonna get an extension done mostly because of the raptors catchy. But i also think if you're in your clutch you're sitting there and like wow joe harrison davis bertans and those kind of guys got this kind of money and jeremy grant you know. Og shows some offensive progression. What what are we talking about for a contract for him and obviously are faced with a little different but still i think i think it's a huge huge development year for him as a as offense creator rather than just a play finisher. Yeah definitely and i think the the hype train. I'm on is open and beginning post game because it his posters terrible last year but the the footwork. He showed in kind of improving that a little bit. Every you know every like two or three games. I'd watch there'd be like just one little pop that look nice. I think the improvements. He's made his ball handler been huge. So i'm here's a nice little like the corner a tiny into a post up. I know the kind of moves your taiba and like the finishing hasn't been there on those moves yet but like he's got the hard part down now it's just not rushing it when you get here. Yeah a lot of really good things to watch for I really liked the young guys or abroad in. I mean i'm friends with a ton of draft twitter people and they love malachi and jalen harris so obviously the raptors drafted well. And we'll see how they look on court. Freddie's obviously back which was huge considering the teams that were potentially going to make a run adam and offer the bag I think kind of flows into the next thing that i want to talk about right away. Who the raptors lost two in the eastern conference. Semis the boston have no memory of that. You have no memory. I wish i had no memory of it. It was a really good series but yeah obviously the boston celtics. Add canadian tristan thompson. An jeff teague But lose gordon hayward so i think very clear. Drop off Because gordon hayward is an incredible player regardless of what contracts got obviously. I don't think he's a thirty million dollar player I'm not sure charlotte's gonna think that in a year and a half either But just in regards to that since you were following this you re so closely. How much do you think tristan thompson really moves the needle for them and this is. I'm just trying to be objective with this. I obviously cover the pacers. So i have a soft spot for miles. Turner but I think tristan thompsons are really nice. Player he's been part of some championship teams but he slowed down the last couple of years. He's not the same. Switch guy that i think people still picture Still really good player. I think he's definitely a little bit better than daniel ties. But you look at what. The celtics were really lacking in terms of rim protection and Just having real sizing on the inside interest in brings some of that size. But i just don't know how much of an upgrade that really is over. Daniel ties so i struggled to say that they even held path. I would say that. If you lose gordon hayward you definitely get worse. Yeah and i think what was clear in the raptor series versus how the celtics looked with hayward obviously didn't materialize in the heat series. But you know they start to have some of the same problems that the raptor side in terms of half court shot creation. And obviously you know. Tatum played better in the bubble than Past outcome did jaylen. Brown is a little further along in that regard. Then kyle sorry then. Ojea nobias and you combine kyle. Kyle had the better series overall but more of a scoring threats so You know even with all of those advantages. They still struggled in the half and that was an unbelievable defensive series. But that's what you're gonna mess with hayward right and i think it's you know it's evident in how they drafted that they. They're worried about the to like air. Naismith is I'm not super high on him. But one thing he does is move off the ball and get himself in in in situations to shoot. I'm not peyton pitcher guy either. I didn't think that's a very good draft. I did not either. Yeah so you know. I think there's concerns there. An interest in tristan has quietly like improved a lot as a playmaker to where i think he can fit their offensive identity. And i think the nice thing with him is that you know if they wanna close again. I'm with you. I like daniel ties. I i didn't think he was bad You know. I thought he was a huge factor in the series against the raptors where he played the rapper centers and like obviously casale was a shell at that point offensively but thais won that match up. So i'm not you know crazy worried about it. for the celtics. But i think tristen you know. I i do wonder and this is always slippery with any older player. Who has a track record in new situation like. I do wonder how much tristan's defensive slippage was. Just taking the foot off the gas because the cavs were so bad the last couple of years in like do you really want to put it all on the line to increase this team from nineteen to twenty three wins Notice well enough to to know that. But i could definitely see him having like like him hitting the floor in having one more really good defensive year where he can be that switch you guy maybe not five position but maybe like three or four five and then because everyone else on the celtics is so switch switching that really opens things out by having you know a guy who can switch or five and keep you a little bigger But in within the same philosophy so i think he could be useful in that regard But yeah like the shot. Creation is just going to take a step back when the hayward and you it's it'll be interesting to see how stevens tweets the offense because one of the things that the celtics did so well last year and one of the reasons they were matchup problem for toronto was they had three guys who were eightieth percentile isolation players or better. And you know you don't wanna lean on that too much and it's not the most aesthetically pleasing but having a couple of guys that you can go to to just like get a bucket in tough situations you. That's really hard to defensively game plan for and there aren't a lot of teams like the raptors who have four plus defenders on the floor at all times you can really take advantage of some teams when you have that much individual shock creation. I think that's gonna take a big step back so they've got a kind of hope. Bet that defense is a top five defense. I think 'cause. I don't think dolphins will be quite as good in less. Tatum just tastes like a continues to take this kind of stratospheric rise. Yeah yeah definitely. I think i still think there'll be a top fourteen premiums. I don't wanna say easily. That's the weird prime and we'll get through with route. But i think the the the middle the middle of the east kind of slimmed down a little bit or like the middle kind of It changed ups. We had the bucks. Were way up here last year forever. I can't believe that. I'm using my hands to show stuff because nobody listening can understand what i'm doing. So the bucks were like on their own to your last year obviously historic in the regular season. I think you have the raptors right behind them. And then the celtics were kinda right in there. Almost at their own tier there were kind of inbetween And they've fallen down a little bit now along with the raptors to have more of a solid middle tier. I feel like And then of course the bottom of the is risen up a little bit too. Which i think is different as well I don't know. I think the celtics will be good. But it's just the way the everything worked out with the hayward sign and trade was was whacking me. I don't know what your thoughts were. I I was almost convinced it was a done. Deal to to indiana just based on the reporting that we were hearing Him wanting to indiana from from everything we know and then charlotte just out of nowhere. I mean that was I remember getting that notification on my phone. I was like oh my god. Unlike the stretching to that's a. I think that will come back to haunt them. I know that yeah. They don't look given where the celtics have been the last couple of years and where the hornets were on their competitive time line. I don't know that spending fifty plus million on rozier and hayward was the right strategy you know and then that's before accounting for the eating the tomb contracts. So that's a that's that's another one nine million a year for the next couple years. That's yeah exactly. I mean it was it almost made me feel like i know that you have to clear up the money obviously to make it work but it's almost lake find some other way to do it because if you can just eat the rest of the tunes contract this year. Just be like okay. Well he's an expiring. Maybe we can move him for the trade deadline but like to to to wave in stretch somebody who isn't expiring like that's just. This was bad cap management. And that's again it's like it's my new show. You know it's small stuff You you make mistakes like that routinely and then that's when you become a bad organization I i'm definitely interested to see how that works out sneakily. I'm excited to wash earlier this year. I think they'll be kind of fun. I mean there'll be interesting. I don't know that they'll be good. Oh yeah oh trust me. I'm not going to be good. But i think they will be a fun team to watch. Plus they have the best jerseys in the league now and like. Pj washington cool. Bridges is cool. They've got some look. Just get cool. Players is the is the the devante graham school it just you know coup players and not not put them around a thirty to thirty five million gordon hayward that's yeah exactly so we'll see how that works out and then the last would have on the celtics like we mentioned pain pritchard and i think that was the biggest shock of the draft. Everybody other than doke buki for me was also major shock draft that road on that so so confusing to me but i wonder what your thoughts on like you know analysts and people watching league. Some of the smartest people i know. Obviously none of none of those people saw Even sniffing the first round and of course the celtics saw something and they took in. And i'm hopeful for them to work out for him. It will work alex. You never want to see somebody fail but I just always wonder like how how can to separates. Is this the coming from the same place view things so differently you know. I think that's because there was just a consensus. Like pain. pressure was not i round pick to the majority of people who know their stuff about the draft. It was just. It was also interesting because like the celtics had been a draft twitter ish team in recent years like like we all love grant williams And that looks like it's gonna it's gonna pay off. But i think a lot of us also like shimmy and that doesn't look quite as good. I still have a soft spot guy's biceps. You can play post defense own. Something for me. Look jaba was never going to be good. Nba player. he's a very funny leaguer. Awesome gotta have come off the bus. I right yeah maine red claws come on does yeah exactly games for great But no i. I don't know it's a weird thing where like there's so much that we're not privy to from the outside but like the draft people that i follow in read and trust watch a lot of college basketball and you know i think that a lot of them watch it like especially the prep the pros guys being guys cosmetics. Like they all watch college basketball not just for college basketball but through the lens of how can they translate and i'm not saying. Nba teams of do that. They obviously do their full staffs of people that do that But i think there are things that we don't. It's it's almost like there's obviously a benefit and a drawback to only being able to judge from the games in the numbers right like you don't get to do the interview you don't get to do the background checks you don't get to. Do you know the personality side stuff. One of the ways that the raptors have measured guys in the past and and. I don't think they could do this this year. With no summer league in camps and stuff like that is like the term. I've thrown on his developmental capacity right. It's like if you come in for a pre draft workout and you are doing this poorly and we give you coaching by the end of the workout. Are you doing that better. And then if we see you in summer league are you doing better and then you can measure that kind of stuff and get a feel for guys now. I think that that's too often that gets to be like Kind of like a blanket of you can't possibly criticize this organization because you don't know what they know and you don't see what they say but like full disclosure like the raptors have had success with a couple of guys. I didn't think i had come in the low forties. And i thought i was high on him and like obviously i didn't watch a ton of new mexico state but like the raptors had for workout. So i dug into some synergy stuff. And like i was like okay like i see why he would be a leaguer and then he starts forty games start the season and now he's now he's an mac contract player wall. Nobody saw that. But there are things like that and the way the raptors have had success of finding stuff where other people haven't seen it as well. has kind of shifted. How i think about the draft just like i don't know i obviously don't know the answers like i had flynn and harris higher on my board than they went in the draft and then some people had them on the draft. So i'm at least certain to get a handle on what the raptors are looking for but Yeah i mean to sit here and say like like the celtics made a bad pick. Because i don't like pritchard like i don't know nearly as much about pritchard as they do but i also don't know nearly as much about richard as the other draft twitter guys who i trust a lot so i'm at odds here and i don't know why those things are incongruent. I i think a lot of it comes down to personality in the interviews and stuff like that. That question of what this guy is now. This is what he could be. An what are the odds that he gets from a to b and. I think that's like that's kind of the black box of player development is like. Can you get the guy from where he is now to his upside because like upside doesn't really matter like anti randolph. Still has that upside but like if he can't get there and you can't get them. They're like christian woods another good example of like a guy who every time. He went down to the daily early in his career. He's putting up these bonkers numbers and then you talk to coach about him and it's like it's like. Oh yeah like. We can't get him to play within the offense he just put up huge numbers. Yeah it's like. Oh well that's why you know can a guy like that. Grower davis is another guy that i was really high on the raptors had nine twenty-seven that one year and it's like you know talent wise shirt but it didn't click and then you find out afterwards that there are some things that you can't see from the outside about how a guy my progress how he might fit or how. He might respond to not playing minutes for his first year. Whatever so there's a lot we don't know which is all to say peyton pritchard is probably not going to be worth that. Pick and neither s and yeah. We'll see what happens. I don't know. I still going to be a fun team to watch as much. I struggled to say that i'm going to enjoy watching the celtics play but it's basketball so all right the next. We talked about the milwaukee bucks They had maybe the funky est offseason off season. Just because of how everything went with the bogdonovich deal obviously that falling through and then Initially i remember thinking i was like okay. Well they're just leaking all this stuff saying that they're doing an investigation in That bogged looking elsewhere so that they can make it work through and no. He's an atlanta hawks now. So what were your thoughts. Kinda overall on that and how that worked out I guess we can dive into their little bit after that. Yeah i mean. I think look optically. It's never great. And i don't i don't know how much you honest ways a thing like that or or reads the the press on it or you know i don't even know the honest is camp like alex. Saratsis has built like a great stable there and done really well by He's aware of the fact that you look back to the last sixteen months and it's not only just the bogue damping like the buxom opportunities create trade exceptions that could have been helpful at the deadline are in the off season Poor a bog. Dan sign a trade. And you kind of botched this And then like you know you had the brogden luxury tax ducking and like maybe that a look okay because of brogden long term health or whatever but right now it looks pretty frigging bad Those are the those are the kind of things that maybe they don't matter because we're talking about a difference of like fifty million dollars but maybe if the bucks like if he doesn't sign a supermax extension and the bucks do poorly or not poor. They will do poorly this year. But they're out in the second or third round again like that's absolutely the kind of stuff that other teams are going to use ammo and that his agent might be like if he's actually torn be like who do we trust to build around you the next couple of years and i think you know i don't know if you saw john hollander tweet bed. I had noted that alex lends deal with the raptors was for slightly more than the minimum. And it didn't make a ton of sense at first because it took away the raptors mid level exception the remainder of the mid level exception. So like say jalen harris becomes awesome. They can't sign them to a three year deal. They can only a two year deal. I'm like well. That's a weird loss of flexibility and then hauled or pointed out bet because lens a little over the minimum. He counts as more for salary matching in a trade and the raptors. Now have the exact contract mixed that could let them trade for jaanus and it's like that's probably not going to happen but i do wonder if that's like a wink. Wink kind of thing and like the heat or another team that had like managed that stuff really well and obviously they. They've done the bam move now so it's a little different but you know. I think there are things that we on. Mba twitter probably make much much deal out of than they are in reality but like these decisions and again you honest consigned supermax. So maybe like. I don't think these are fifty million dollar marginal decisions. But if he decides he wants to explore other options than maybe these are the kind of things that tilt something half a percentage point one way or the other and when you're talking about three or four five teams competing for max sky like that's a half percentage point the bucks might have just lost his a pretty big one Further like if both dan has a good season and then say the hawks flip them or something like that. you know. that's that's gonna and another team ends up with them for which the hawks make the playoffs and you know he plays wall on a one eight matchup or something like that like those are the kinds of things that that may be will stick with him. I don't know in general. I thought that getting drew was good. But i liked that movie love drew. That's obviously hefty price. I at move a lot more if bogged down is coming with it like on its own. It does not like to pay. All those picks. To upgrade. From george hill drew holiday george hill and eric bledsoe drew holiday. Like it just. I don't know it feels like a very small gain again. I love holiday. I think third best player. You're in you're in good shape but like like it's the same team otherwise it's hill and bledsoe for holiday and a by or he'll blood on a bunch of pigs for holiday basically in terms of if you look at what their playoff rotation looks like. Yeah you just love bobby ports. I won't i won't lie. Actually kinda liked it. Just because i know maybe could be some kind of picking popped right next to the honest. I know it sounds nice. Yeah i like florida's but like porta salat is like your third fourth. Exactly not as like your second big off the you're talking about like oh we're going to close with him at the five. Sometimes it's like what are we doing similar to dj. Augustine augustine is awesome regular season player. And if he's your backup point guard playoff series pie in like fifteen minutes. You're probably in good shape if he starts working his way into your hypothetical closing lineups. I don't know you solve the problems you had last year. Yeah no that's really very point. I mean i think. Ideally i think they're gonna end up making another move. It just seems not to speak stuff into existence but just based on where they're at. I agree they really their rotation did not change up that much But i do think drew was a huge get but i also think some people were way too low on eric bledsoe in the playoffs. You really can't stomach. The way he was that he was playing Just because offensively. I mean such a negative and you could tell it was all mostly mental But so obviously drew's and upgrade there. But i think that you could make a case. Eric's may be a better defender drew. Even though drew is just about the best point attack defender in the league that we're up a position extra think the other thing too is like if brook lopez shooting decline is like obviously he shot thirty seven percent the your prior but otherwise he's been a slightly below average shooter in the seasons that he shot a lot of threes and That's such a crucial part of their offense for like. Maybe you're right. Maybe bobby portis ends up playing a bigger role because brooks needs to be minimized or whatever And i still think broke like a phenomenal system defender and rim deterrent and stuff like that. So i'm not suggesting that brooke will be a negative player but You know they certainly in the playoffs. They certainly need him to be closer to thirty seven percent thirty one percent. But i guess you could say they have three guys on every team in the league so not not the sharpest not the most interesting of analysis to say brooke lopez's you gotta hit your threes man. Yeah well i mean. I think the biggest thing for me to it's i agree brooke needs to shoot like at least thirty four thirty five percent because after last year that i mean those rough and he's got three years left on his deal to right so it's not just like like obviously he's still this level of defender but he's gonna turn thirty three this year and like is he going to be that kind of defender at thirty five like we saw like having just watched what this all went through when he had a couple of hamstring injuries. Still a very impactful team defender but like you know like gonzales. The template of like what that player type looks like. It stopped shooting. Yeah and brooke has been even more injury. Prone throughout his career to salsa gusau shot better than brooke last year but like not nearly as willingly. And that's the. I guess that's a big thing as long as brooks taking them. You know maybe. It'll be okay. But i i think this is all of these things feel kinda little and almost petty to bring up because like i do feel like eastern conference twitter. You know it's kinda like when you're the number one presume number-one pick entering draft like everyone talks about reasons. You shouldn't be the number one and number two or number three or number four should be number one thing. I do feel like we fall into that. A little bit with the box and part of it is like we know already that they're going to be dominant in the regular season and we know that none of the questions about their playoff upside are gonna be resolved until the playoffs. We won't know. And i think that makes it really easy to to nitpick at the same time these kind of things that we're nitpicking or have question marks about are the kind of things like the league's a little flatter the last two years than it was during kind of the warriors. Lebron peak like like the lakers are entering the season. The favorite and the bucks favored in the east. Sure but like the gap between the lakers and the clippers and some of the other west is not exceptional and the gap between the box and the other teams at the top of the at least the playoffs isn't exceptional so this it feels like nitpicking. And then you get into playoff series in every series from the second round on league-wide comes down to those nitpicks so you know the balance of probabilities. The bucks price still the best team in the east. But it's far from like they're far from infallible. And we've seen that in. Like this is one of the most highest leverage season for a franchise that i can remember like this. Is it for them. I if if i mean if you're honest on supermax they get some breathing room. But he doesn't say it's december twenty second and you're playing your opener. And he's a lame duck superstar. I can't remember the last time a franchise had this much on the line with one guy like casey. I guess yeah no. That's that's a really great point. I mean i think the biggest thing for me is just will they actually get somebody else who can create in the half court because that was the biggest thing for me with ogden because obviously drew brings a guy who can at least He's going to be defended at three point. Line you're not super worried about that Like you are with eric But i think bogner was almost more important in that deal. Because you've got a guy who can create in the pick and roll who can Get his own shot in the half court and they still really don't have anyone. I'm confident in doing that. And i'm what. I'm hopeful for them is that they will stop treating you honestly. He's a point guard. Because i think that is like the biggest thing for me is is getting him off ball like obviously he's a fantastic player on ball. He can do some really great things with the ball hands but and it's not about being skilled or whatever i'm tired of that narrative because if you think you honest skilled frankly you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about like not to be a dick but that's just that's just honesty. You can't be is an that graceful in transition and not be skilled like just us. I mean even look at like the turnaround jumper. He's added who's his i. Bike product wrote about early last year. It's but i'm with you like it's not and i don't mean off the but like we don't mean off the ball like the dunker dump. Ben simmons like we're talking about you. It's like a roll man. Yeah if easier screener especially in. Those lineups were broke his in on the floor. Maybe that's a really hard to defend. Look and it was why i liked drew bogged down as a package because suddenly you have multiple guys who can run pick and roll with janas the screener and like there's just if there's a pull up drive and pass threat off of a yawn screening action like i just don't know what you do with it. Yeah exactly no. I feel exactly. I'm thinking do you tag the roller with two guys all they corners and like we talk about how good a romantic. Anthony davis is. We barely even get to see honest. Roll man because of how often he's the one running things so i think like yeah. We're totally on the same page there. But of course all these nitpicks the bucks are probably still undoubtedly the best team the east right now at least for the regular season. Like you're gonna eric korean. I'm michael kind of broke down the east years in one of our calms the other day just like off the cuff. And someone have a congress was wow still the faith in milwaukee. It's like look we're talking regular season. No one's going to touch them over seventy two games unless you're honest gets hurt which obviously you don't analyze under the assumption. Someone's going to get hurt but yeah yeah it's Over seventy two games. The bucks invest needs the most definitely What brings us to the team that that took them. Out of the east of miami They've been interesting. i. I don't think they got better but i don't really think they got worse I really likes i was. I don't know about you. But i was surprised. That mo- heartless was that gettable I think they only use the room exception and was like three. And a half mil Obviously jae crowder walks. But i liked the idea. I mean mohawk list obviously is willing of shooters jae crowder as portland would know from the eighteen or nineteen when he notoriously did not shoot the last four games of the year to preserve his contract. Bonus right yes. But i liked it. I mean i think just in terms of if you're okay if you don't wanna have to pay jae crowder. The three years full emily and you get more articles on a one year for three and a half. It's pretty good. It's an upgrade. But you're not really downgrading too much. So i liked that pressure. I know draft. Twitter was happy that he went to the heat. Because they think he'll i mean the heater. Great at developing guys yeah The the meyers. Leonard deal was confusing. The people at first. But i think it was more in terms of Just what the second year. Not being fully guaranteed. Yeah same stuff. The raptors right like they've got dragic dolla leonard. Bradley all with these gargantuan non-guaranteed small partially guaranteed second year. So like if you need to work a sign and trade for yoenis. You've got the salary matching right there. So yeah infinite. Picks but you with that after yeah. So why would you where you out on the heat and you think they improved or where. Where would you put them kind of. I think they're both the same. And i think obviously like the bubble suited heat culture and they were locked in than any other team favorite part about the finals ending not having to see hashtag culture anywhere. Yeah yeah showed up to the riffs man. But no i mean it's it's fine like they're obviously good and they they they're such. I have such an appreciation for certain parts of their culture with certain players. They brought in certain things they overlook and the raptors are not without sitting there as well and But i do think if we're talking strictly encore culture in terms of do guys by and you trust guys in a weird environment like this year like the bubble. Do you trust your young guys to continue taking steps forward. I think yeah. You probably do if you're the heat and i don't know i don't know that i'm on tyler. Herro as quickly as everyone else like like at the very good obviously but like i saw some people who maybe expects linear growth from the bubble. And i don't know that that's reasonable especially with compressed offseason but i like i like it. I like mohawk was cheap by. I don't. I don't think avery bradley's ever been like the impact defender that his reputation suggests but he's he's fine I really don't like kendrick nunn. But otherwise i well it was funny. I was talking to david. Ramiro from lockdown he'd about the other day It just the the move to bring an avery bradley Pretty much just. I don't wanna say it takes none out of the rotation but it shows their confidence in him to continue growing as a player. Felt like yeah. And i mean like the the issue with him was like he was kind of. He had like a bad team. Rookie season what i mean by that is like he got lots of opportunities to shoot and really matter that he was spotty defender in. It didn't really matter that he was an all that efficient. And it didn't really matter that everyone just glossed over the reason he was undrafted in the first place And tried to make story and then you know it got to the playoffs. And he's barely playing because some of those wards become more obvious when teams are kind of exploiting so You know. I i think obviously has talent offensively in the half court but i just like i have no time for the kind of whitewashing of his story and i i don't i actually don't on top of that. Just don't think he's nearly as good as his points per game suggests so he's not like especially with a adding avery bradley and the strides that robinson and hero took like i don't he's not a guy i'm really factoring in for them like he might playing at points but i don't think he's a ceiling razor for them. Yeah i guess the next question for you. How if you had to put a number to it. What ranks you're would you. Put duncan robinson. Beer now up there. I mean the the big thing for me with him as like it's always tough with with shooters right because like shooting is not enough like brady has slip has every g. league three point shooting record but he's my size and matt. Thomas has like matt. Thomas like lit the world on fire in college and then overseas and like had the best three point shooting percentage of raptors history this year. And everyone's like well. Why can't you stay on the floor. It's because with both of those guys they don't have an matt. Thomas is certainly bigger than brady hesse. They don't have size and associated with humor for debt. Yeah you look at jd rhetoric. And it's like okay. Well he doesn't have quite as much size but he's also lightning-quick and no one moves off the ball better than that and like to the extent that not to put like all white shooting guards in the same bonds with matt. Thomas has told me he watches tape of radical. Hit ahead moved to create extra space because reading doesn't have the same high release point and then you look at duncan robinson. It's like yeah. His game isn't like super well rounded but he's six foot seven and gets himself oakland really well and when you're six foot seven like that gives you some extra leeway not just as like a shooter who can get your shot but like when you're talking about some of these guys who were limited defensively and like joe harris is another good example. This is a guy would just just enough size to the nets. Had not a lot of good defenders and still don't have a lot of good unders but like You know he can do enough to be to not take away his offense. And you know. I don't think robinson's good defender and i don't know if he's going to be but at least like he's big enough that he's not he doesn't have to guard the point guard he can hang on the guy in the corner and you could try to hide him a little better but the big thing for me is like he has the size and the off ball ability to get that shot off and like i thought that the him and bam dribble handoff game was always. Just oh my god. I was like like as someone who covered the raptors trying to handle the red again. Be dribble handoff game the year before on the playoffs it was like like shit like the raptors had played the heat. I my full take was. Ogsm gar bam so you can switch that action like you. I don't mean to keep taking back to the raptors. No no it makes sense. But like that's what you need to be able to do against that. And that means either you downsized and that's tough because bam is not just a parameter oriented guy or you stick your center on jae crowder heartless as it were you know in that. Introduces other tough stuff. So i think. I mean i think he's great and i think if you can shoot forty four percent on eight three game when teams are like especially when it's not the starting lineup. Like team sent to to the ball on those dribble. Handoff actions alive I think that says a lot man. I think i think he's got to be top five shooter and you know a big part of shooting is can you get the shot up and stay on the floor and i think that that's a big thing with him. Being success in his off ball workers. You know you gotta. There are a lot of guys who can i mean. There aren't a lot of guys who forty four percent on threes. But there are a lot of guys who can shoot the ball really well. And you see like a nate darling go on drafted or justinian jessup Playing in australia and these guys have unbelievable shooting numbers in college. And you have to. You have to be able to project to get to to get the shot. It's like a you know a baseball player with all the power in the world who can't make contact like there's only so many adam dunn. The league has ruined for rece davis. Chris davis do what was the year he had this year. Where he led the league in home runs. And then you've got the deal. And then i think bad like one eighty the next year yeah component is a guy that like was an elite standstill catching shu-chi but once you know he i don't think he ever average more than three three point attempts to game because like he just didn't have the ability to get those off you know especially when he was in toronto like it was maddening. How infrequently so yeah. I i don't know i think robinson's like right up there man. I love him as an offensive peace. As like you know a guy you can shift a lot of usage to in in kind of hybrid bench starter units and then a guy who can just like let things than i know. Jimmy isn't the best spacer in the world and is in the best three point shooter and you know one of the good ways to handle that. Shift the ball onto jimmy hands and let let a guy like dunkin work off the ball And then yeah. I mean bam being such a good pass such an advanced passer for big man to up so much more that when sorry i'm rambling but the to know you're good. It's it's a fascinating action for like any team to have to cover all especially everyone and not everyone. Has anthony davis. Lebron you throw at stuff. Exactly i mean. I think my my favorite part about their offense. They would run this really quick transition play where bam lowering the floor. Dunkin would come up the less. I ran right or less about. I just remember him from the left side. But i mean he would come off baseline straight up and just do a immediate hand off for three and that would just kill people because they weren't ready in transition and bama's so fast bringing the ball like i. I'm so excited for for what they're doing Love good basketball and bam is just man. He is fun but he is such a fun player to watch. Yeah he's awesome and it's It's easy gotta root for to its. I was surprised that they gave him the max out. Twenty twenty one but they he has the same agent as janas. so if If you're honest was ever going there you know they. They know what's going on there. That's a great point on our the next thing. We gotta jump into really quick The brooklyn nets. Obviously they're going to be better. The next year kevin durant is back and i think until proven otherwise kevin durant still a top ten player the league as far as i'm concerned By like you mentioned what their defense defense few. And far between or i guess we could say optional for this team. If you guys like But i think there'll be a fun team to watch or maybe not entirely fun to watch. But i think there'll be a good team for sure What are your thoughts on them going in. Because i i want to say that there's gonna be a lot more Bumpiness in the ride Before the team really takes off. That's just my feeling going in I don't think it's going to be picturesque in. They're just going to ascend to be contender right away. Yeah i mean the bumpiness kinda comes with kyrie but y- but also like the pieces don't fit super well here right like like obviously kyrie k. D. are such incredible offensive pieces that anyone can work with. Joe harris as a spacer is great. I don't know that it plays to spencer. Dinwiddie charissa verts straight super. Well you know the fact that the andre jordan's probably gonna start over. Jared will remind me makes sewing. Yeah like i. It would not surprise me at all. Jared islands a trade chip over the course of the year and someone should for free him He's a guy. I was so impressed with how much playmaking and approved in the bubble like. Oh he looks amazing in the bubble. Yeah m like was the only net left by fbi so But yeah i mean look katie and kyrie offensively like that's a free ticket to a top five offense when everyone's healthy and that leaves you some some breathing room to figure out the other stuff And i thought you know. For as much as steve. Nash is the first time coach it in that introduces some questions. He did the right thing in surround himself with a lot of high end coaches in sport Yeah but like who is like shirt. Kevin durant when kevin durant is locked in as an unbelievable defender. Your can be. He's also coming back from an achilles injury and is going to be carrying a big load on offense. So do you want that until the playoffs. Probably not how much can like timothy. The wildwood caparo was another guy. Who was really good in the bubble but like where do you find. Even twenty minutes a game for him to get his defense on the floor. And then if not him. Like jared allen. Is your best defensive player. But like who's who's your perimeter defender probably. Yeah that's a great point. I mean i guess bruce brown but you can't really play him on offense and also i can't believe the detroit justly shimao for that. I parts partially. Because i love bruce brown. Yeah i'm fairly. Yeah i was surprised at detroit and go for that much. But yeah i like you. Where like not all these guys gonna play right like you have harris errands. Shamet liuhua caballero. Bruce brown like they're only so many minutes for those guys and that's Generally that's a good problem to have but the issue that we've seen so many contenders run into like. It's not necessarily about like obviously for a team like this. All that really matters is the playoffs and getting their healthy but like a playoff rotation is about. Who are the best players that you can play. Who are the best offensive players that you play without their defense being a problem. Or who are the best defenders. You can play with other offense being a problem like you just can't play five on four when you get the second round of the playoffs and further and maybe in the east this year the first round. 'cause like i don't think brooklyn's a top two seed or a top one seed so they're going to have a tough first round match up so I don't know. But i do have a little bit of faith like. They added a lot of good people to their coaching staff I have trust in their analytics apartment in their front office. In general yeah. I don't know man it's a. It's going to be a stranger. Yeah they'll get any stranger in this past year. That's the surreal. But it's just like like when it comes down to like. I totally understand people who have the nets as high as like two in the east in the regular season. Because it's a free pass to an easy offense with this bras like they're gonna torch teams at times but also like i you can have them as low as six or seven and like because it's a regular season team because if i'm them i'm not playing kyri k. d. all seventy two games in this condensed schedule. Yeah and then like if they're gonna make their way to being a decent defense. It's certainly not gonna be early in the air with a two week training camp i have. I have a bad feeling. This might be like some of the lebron cavs defenses as a kid who grew up in cleveland. Those were not fun. Defenses to wash during the regular season and manda. They're like katie. And kyrie give you such a such room for error. If they're both healthy come playoff time so like there's a long time for them to figure this out but like as many ways as it can go right because they have two of the best defensive players in the world. There are a good handful away. That could go wrong to not even not even go wrong. Just you end up against a team that matches up with you will. Yeah i think the way to put it the kind of enclosing on them like they have. I think more questions going into the season that they have to answer before the playoffs than i think any of the other teams were even talking about because they just have so many directions that they could go and maybe have to because their roster just doesn't make a lot of sense At least from our view doesn't make a ton of sense yet going forward in terms of what their vision is in how they're gonna look to leverage moments. There a huge like will they make a midseason trade. Yeah obviously and like whether that's hard in or something else. But like you pair. Jared with one of the carousel avert or joe harris taurean prince contracts. And like you can get your way to some interesting guys in you. Know given the way katy perry deondraye kind of built this thing. Maybe it's going to be another guy that's not fit. But yeah maybe jared smith gets another deal. Who knows All right well onto the next team. Philadelphia seventy sixers. They had some nice addition by subtraction and actually made good moves. I mean they were probably draft twitter. Second favorite team. Were you know. Free agency in during the grizzlies. Yeah after the grizzlies. I think grizzlies had to be number one. Yeah calls wicker to put out a statement that he not result man. Yeah one of my group chats with a bunch of drafted where people they were like. Oh maybe kohl's part of this and then you released. oh no. he's not but no. That was priceless with philly. I mean their roster just makes sense now and i think that should be a little bit frightening for people are not frightening. Is the wrong word but just in terms of they actually are going to have real spacing. tobias harris will actually get to play the four on offense. Now i don't know. I think there's a lot there to to like or at least that is a positive for for the sixers. Yeah i'm mostly just excited for guy danny green who like we'll finally get the like shift into the eighteen minute a game. That is best for him at this stage and especially like coming off the deep playoff run like let the any be off until mid january february or something like that like he has played through so much with the groin. Tear in san antonio and like playing ba- really banged up to the raptors playoff ron and then another finals run and like obviously everyone gets them for the playoffs shooting but also it's because he's the only real shooter for that team like he just. He's in his thirties. He's not a guy who should have to be defending the top guy. The top opposing player for like thirty plus minutes a night for an entire season and playoff run back to back years like it's not like he needs a smaller role and or at least scale back a little bit and i think philly's a good spot for that. He's going to have lots of open. Looks obviously and he won't be the only shooter because they added seth curry and they added joe in the draft. And like you know they even. I don't think he's gonna play but like ryan broke up. Hey i as a g. league guy. And then like even their center rotation just makes more sense like like dwight makes more sense as a backup to mba than a guy who also has a play alongside ambitious bunch. And you know maybe white won't accept the minutes load but also they keep beats minute's pretty low and then like even tony bradley is like like pretty fine as a third center or a backup if someone goes down so Yeah i like what. They did their mana. And obviously there's a lot of chaos around that team. All the time and doc rivers for as important figure as he is in as good of a culture coaches. He seems to be you know. He hasn't had the best playoff track record. from a tactical perspective. And that'll be. That'll be a question again. It's a question. It's been a question. With ben. Simmons and joel embiid has a fit this whole time. You know but obviously the roster fits a lot better. i'm in a weird spot with The sixers because this'll be like the fourth year in a row where i'm like all this is it for the i think i'm the only person outside of seventy sixers twitter who's been bid on the pump fake more times with the seventy sixers. Then yeah so. Yeah i mean last year. I my bold one of my bold predictions going into your was that the six were going to have the best defense of the decade and mona finals. Yeah i add the eastern conference finals but losing to the box. And i think what it comes down to for me We had got titus maxi to sort exactly. No you're good. Like they. And paul read on to way like i mean i. I'm yeah they're going to be fantastic. Paul paul reed. It's a shame. That jacob goldstein got hired by monuments sports in washington. Because paul reid is going to break g. league. pi pm at any longer. I i was shocked that he felt that far. And that didn't even get drafted. I should say. I mean i mean it got drafted fifty eight but like him. Falling afar was weird. I mean covering the pacers cash stanley fallen fifty six. I thought was a little odd to it was just a weird draft but I think what it comes down to for me with the sixers Until i hate being hard on players. I'm always very player centric But i think it just comes down to embiid like when when when joel embiid is locked in engaged in shape he is just about the best player in the nba. I think he's shown that a. I think the reason i was so in on the sixers last year's because he came out was like the on sixers day When like it's felt like the entire national media circus was there for their media day And he was like i'm going to work for. Mvp wanna win defensive player of the year. I'm here to be the best player on the court. I'm going to do all these things. We're going to be great and then it just didn't happen. I mean he took games off really took a step back offensively. Just in terms of his effort You know from game to game and it showed you know. So i think unless joel embiid is Going to be the best version of joel. Embiid like ninety percent of the time I destroy the author is going to do it because he was. Your best player is not playing basketball. It's very difficult to win. Yeah i mean that's that's really like this is a tough thing because when we talk about the box we don't really have to talk about that with the honest and You know it came up a lot in the raptors playoff for him because of some of his circumstance during the hiatus like being a non. Us citizen and the restrictions being a lot tighter here You know but that's like it's reductive but like there are some superstars who you're we have to frame things around. Are the guys around them to step up and do enough and there are some superstars who they are. They going to be superstars for hole. Playoff series our whole season. And you know i think the world of nba at his best. He's pretty much on guard. -able yeah but it's also been shown that you can get him off his best and bats the challenge for him and like that's a challenge for a lot of guys as they kind of settle in and nba is not certainly not old so he you know we don't write him off yet certainly but he's gone through a couple of times now and you wanna see that that growth sooner than later for one hundred percent. But i'm still high. I think philly wound up top foresee this year dangerous and i just think philly if like phillies one of those if it clicks yes so we talked about developmental there they were never really is the the last three years affiliates andrew wiggins of of the nba except teams. Like if they click. They're going to be the best but it just hasn't happened yet but maybe this year. Yeah maybe i mean this. This is always the thing right is like what like that arrested development team. It hasn't worked or anyone else. What maybe it'll work for us like yeah All guess our last team. The indiana pacers. I of course saved the best for last First of all. I'm excited for you to get to cover johnson this year because first of all great dude. I love alyce second while i. I'm just like very apprehensive. As is going to totally pop for the nine five and make the patient look stupid for letting him walk. But he's a fun player man. I like why did he not get any opportunity last like he was one of the best and most well rounded g leaguers for two years straight yup. Well here's the thing erin holiday. Who is a fantastic young player. Barely even got a consistent rotation rotations by. That's been the thing for the last three years. And it's something it's really weird with the pacers because You also much was made out of a. And i always wanna point out navy. Melon is a good coach. I don't care what anybody says about the playoff resume for what he does. He gets the most out of the roster. But that's also why they're not good in the playoffs They play their brand of basketball. And it's going to be different this year. Because i mean we can talk on bjorkman second But the pacers did was. They attacked every single game. Like they prepped for it. They were there and they knew what they're gonna do and they're going to do it well but the problem is when you have that one mode flames like i hate making football analogies. But it's like if you're really dominant running team Or your triple option team and you just you can beat teams with that every night. Because that's i don't wanna say. Also gimmick i don't care it's a gimmick if you you have your your thing that you do And you're doing it one one night of the year or one of that month against the team and they're not used to playing it You can punk them that way or you can beat them more easily that way but when a team has an entire playoff series prepare for you. It doesn't work the same way So the the patients have really thrived off just having continuity in a frankly just a higher level of effort on defense And and i sound like. I'm just totally shitting on the team. Like the good teams still but I think that's why they were. They were they weren't developing young players As much as tj leaf is not an mba player. He's not an mba athlete. He doesn't have mba skill but the pacers would have known that sooner if they had actually played him Which is something. That was always frustrating. Because this was this year was the first year that Really got run in the nba. early consistent rox. I always want people getting two minutes in the end of a blowout. Nice like cool. That's something but you ask. The guys ministering leverage moments like actually playing in the game not. Just okay go get a bucket in the half court because were up by thirty. you know. there's there's a difference between that and actually playing when it counts So i think that's something that the pacers of really preached in their their off-season media ability in what they wanna do. They've been open about how they haven't developed players while enough and gotten them rotation minutes so i think Unfortunately house as not going to be one of the guys who do that moving forward but hopefully it'll happen with rapper. Ninety five yeah. I mean i think bjorkman is a good guy to bring in for that. Right leg comes from the g. League system any comes from a you know. He was only here for two years but like a pretty strong player development. Set up I think he took tyler marsh with them. Who's one of the player development guys I was actually a little surprised that they didn't sign any raptors free agents like they didn't bring in malcolm miller as like a culture builder guy But yeah i think you know obviously there in a bit of a weird spot where only depot situation hangs over things that you've paid brogden so bonus and turner and tj warren. Even and it's like okay. They're kind of in this weird like there's a little bit of pressure to win but also you gotta start developing for the guys who were going to supplement the next the next round guy. So it's a it's a tough season for them like obviously i think everyone kind of expects a miles. Turner trade at some point. I think if they underwhelmed like tj. Warren could get you something back. Pretty nice i know. He's got that thirteen million for for the year following but a lot of teams. Could you like drop him onto the bench of a really good team in canada as a second unit fulcrum and that's a nice fit A lot of places i love. Tj warren i only learned so yeah i mean it's it's interesting like and i almost wonder if the turner domino has the fall. 'cause like to to serve those ends like you gotta get some minutes right like you gotta. You've got to play these guys somewhere. I don't know man. They're in a tough a weird inbetween. Spot your i wrote about the rotation the other day like so. They talked about. They wanna play tj at the more. Because that's where he thrives in the bubble with sa- bonus out and they want to play more minutes while the only way that happens. If you either play doh less or you play miles less. Yeah so. I mean just with how. There's really not a lot of great playmaking on the roster. I mean i mean malcolm playmaker. But there's not i should say there's not a lot of perimeter bursts so without their miles not a good screener he just doesn't have. It's not a mentality thing. Just doesn't have the the band at all in his body To really be a good screener So it's it's hard to envision how he doesn't get his playing time cut to less than It'll be like his second lowest year in terms of minutes the other than his rookie year. So i mean. I don't know they have a lot of interesting things to go but also i mean you look at it. There's like twelve guys on the roster. Who would probably see ten plus minutes a game anywhere. So they're almost too much death Like the mood would be consolidate that that one hiring guy. But they're i think they're at the opposite like ironically like the move that they might end up making his older depot for several pieces. And then it like unless you're going to do a subsequent move or make that a bigger framework like do you think people get stealth here. Oh that's a good question Yeah we'll put you on spot on your own no good. Hey i like that. It's i think it's trying to wrap my head around a lot because it's a little bit different from the paul george situation. Because i think you know. Paul george does not want to be in indiana at all. He didn't care if he got paid. He didn't wanna be in indiana. I think victor if he gets paid what he thinks he's worth. He's finding in indiana but i think that's the impasse. I mean the pacers do not want to pay him that much. And i think that's fair. Victory hasn't been the same player he wasn't in seventeen eighteen a even in eighteen nineteen before gauge Got injured. He wasn't the same player because he was dealing with nagging injuries to I think if he's ninety five percent of what he was. Then then. I think you can maybe warrant paying close to the max. Don't know about the full max But it again. It's a weird spot. I think what ends up making the most sense because his trade value clearly was not there. Otherwise i think they're made managerial And just reports have come out on him not having trade value. I think this is the season for him. Like if you doesn't you know produce at a high level Than i mean. He's woohoo who's offering him that much money you know like the so. I think it's a huge season for the pacers and for him because if he does play at the high level i think the pacers are willing to pay him And that's not going to be a problem but if he doesn't play at that level then it's just an awkward spot for both because they're going to end up being less with pretty much nothing to show for For victor in then also there just in like their rosters in a spot like okay. What are we doing now like I don't envision demonise bonus becoming a top twenty player in the nba. As much as i love him and think he's a great player. I mean growth tracks funky. Anything could happen but they being spot you look at the roster right now if victory depot goes back to where it was okay. You can see this team being a legit. I don't wanna say quite contender but like a a team that could you could feasibly. You make a run at a conference finals. Things father wait right But victory will depots not back at that level. I don't see that So there are. They remind me a lot of the Like the fourteen fifteen hawks like that. That era team not not that they're gonna win sixty games but just they're in a spot where they really don't have a true superstar on the team and the path to getting one is unclear right. You're not you're too good to blow it up and it's not realistic to like as much as we can fire up to k. Like you can't yes exactly. You can end up. Trading tj mcconnell. Doug mcdermott for bradley. Beal just not like sometimes like that was the concern with the raptors before they got quite right and it was like you have to be willing to trade dhamar to do something like that and then be ready for quiet walk. And how often do those deals come up. They they don't. It's like once every couple years something like that comes up and you have to have the right fit and the right package and the the stomach for something like that. So that's i mean i don't dislike. What the pacers have them other building. But they are in an awkward spot. Where like you can't you can't be in both lanes forever like you. And i don't think they're at that point yet but like they're getting they're getting. They're definitely like this. Season's going to be a not sound dramatic. This is captured season like okay. If if you're going to make something happen. This is where you decide what's happening So yeah a lot of stuff to look after them. I still think they'll be good though. I think I i try not to be super productive because growing up in a small market. Light cleveland and following the pacers In covering them. Now like i think there's being a team that is just competitive and fun Yeah the season long. I like that. Watch good basket backley. Like i think. I get really frustrated with the should take not every market can do that. I wanna tank and then some of them will end up getting the twenty eighth pick. Exactly they're like like the one year. The rap is opening tank ended up a terrence. Ross look i don't need to go through that and look i'm speed fan for this chunk of it not a journalist or whatever but like the payoff is so far down the line and so on promised like maybe you end up with entree. Barney is the number one bag. Ross the next time you tank like this stuff is not like it was kind of maddening to me like one raptors fans would want blow it up after like this is the most successful run franchise history. Like you've been through the like tanking doesn't get you what you think route twice like for some teams sometimes but especially with the flat lottery odds now like like this the year to do it with kate cunningham. Coming in it's like if all goes well with your tanking. You have a one in seven shot kate cunningham like so you have a six and seven shot of burning this thing down and not getting that guy. Obviously the distract in the next good so it's not wouldn't be the end of the world but like there's a. There's a good good chance you don't get kate. Cunningham successfully knicks the knicks. Yeah exactly and i mean. I think i will get it the same way as with like face to trade exceptions like. They're really nice. They're employed for flexibility. But like like you just mentioned. They're they're twenty nine of the teams that have the potential cast space and that flexibility with trade exception so very rarely do the things that we envision tappan happening. You know like the knicks thought they were to get kevin durant and they ended up with bobby portis like and that's not to be a unfair to buy. That's just the point like it. A lot of things have to happen for things to work out the way you want them to so. I think there's definitely a point of being good team Will blake i. I wanna say first of all. Thank you for coming on and taking the time. This was awesome What are you working on her. What are you excited about in life right now that you want people know about yeah i mean just myself at the athletic all becoming the raptors again. This year i think remotely. It's sure doesn't sound like it's going to be worthwhile going down to tampa to sit on zoom calls there instead of here but we'll make do have over the athletic my raptors stuff up there. I also music podcasts. Called columbia house party that people could check out especially if they like Like pop punk anymo- like turn of the early two thousands era indie music That's awesome goal will all have Awfully description down below for that as well to everyone listening of course go fall blake and everything he does. The athletic is running right now for one dollar a month if you can't you ends at midnight tonight okay awhile all right so at all the people listening to this. You don't have the opportunity that hopefully you're doing it right now on talking in you you just for some reason you can hear me but yeah i mean. I bought the athletic at full price. So i wish. I got in on this now. Hopefully you are it also by at after the deals over some sure still going to be worth doing it. I live here and there was always yields. Just just a lot of people bitch about pay walls. it's the one place that i think is worth it. So i m not paywall payrolls the wrong way to put it paying for things so i think yeah it's more sorta you off. You know you're breaking news on the pod. Oh really yeah. The sixers signed limousine a. Oh really yeah gerald now. He's not shocking. But i don't typically like it's the closest comp. Yeah he's going to be a ton of fun with delaware. Of course daryl morey got with megyn a band that is awesome while watch him just like turn into an all star out of nowhere for philadelphia. Yeah that'd be one. I mean he's fun to watch anyway. Like oh he's like. Hey let's just hope the seventy sixers opt in to whatever the g. league thing is going to be so yeah. I was talking to my friend. i'm sure you know. Pd web from from draft. Where i was talking on a pod about johnny and we came to the conclusion that he doesn't play a position at least in college and he's just the genet you just doesn't and he plays basketball and those are my favorite kind of players to watch. I have no idea what the look at what i'm scouting. And but he is going to be. He's going to. He's going to be something. I don't know i have no idea what there are a lot of guys like that this year like it's obviously a g. league guy so i'm bias and want a lot of these guys. Spend a lot of g league time anyway. But like like as much as i want poku getting thunder minutes like i want poku down with the blue to right like i wanna see i wanna see what forty minutes of it in a long leash looks like and i wanna see that with jay and i wanna see that jalen harris with the raptors in so hopefully over there some form of g. league. I don't you know we've seen reports about his. I certainly don't think it'll be enough of a g. league for poku to get sent down but like you. We get jay for sure might get some paul read. Delaware's gonna be able to. They're going to be like the g. League pass honestly all man. They're going to have to watch. That will pass. Which isn't even available in canada because all the games are on. Espn plus now. oh There plus now a bunch of them were last year. I couldn't. I could only had missed some games last year. Because i just couldn't find a stream will rats okay. We'll we'll have to figure that out then but now while regardless the delaware eighty seven right. Yes yeah well. They're gonna be must see tv now. So i'm excited for that guys. Thank you for listening. Of course like i mentioned follow. Both of us. Just have a good day.

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Aron Baynes Fan Club Joins & Morrey Out

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Aron Baynes Fan Club Joins & Morrey Out

"Welcome to another edition the premium who's podcast I'm your host Mark Schindler joined his always by my co host Nate Georgie. Today we're not continuing our our off off-season preview. Actually we have kind of a special episode here. You'll probably be hearing this right after our news dump or maybe right before We're really really psyched Nate I. Know You're not. We've been talking about doing this for awhile it took US awhile reach out but we're really excited to be joined by the one and only Aaron Baynes fan clubs joining us for for a small interview and we're really psyched to bring him on a man how are you doing in first of all thank you for joining us good yet your thanks for Ridge out but yet everything is good here about. I'm a great man I'm just. A hype that you joined us like this the Lawson, I have like a list of questions about the account in general that I'm excited. There S. `Save. Your man I'm I'm just. PODCASTING is the best here. Talking Basketball Man. Nate I know you you you're and ask questions is the Boston Dan so I will let you start off. As bossom what do you mean I mean you have your? Okay Baynes never played for Indiana. So I'M NOT OKAY I. To what was star all right. So I guess the first thing I want to ask is how did you come up? Will first of all, if you listen to the spot, you gotta be Airborne Fan Club. If you don't follow him I'm sure everyone listening knows about him but. What are the? What are the roots of your cat? What made you create it in a what kind of like how quickly did it take off? So I I wish I had a better answer is really just watching the. The Celtics seen last year that had the championships, aspirations and everything. Kinda. The chemistry seemed often just there was so much negative. Media surrounding the team that I would just I think I might have started when when Baines was injured but you would just see him guy on the sidelines celebrating. Made Basket. So I started clipping those in posting them and it took off much faster than Than I anticipated. I definitely did not go get to the point I am now with it, but here we are. Yeah. So it's kind of remarkable man that was one of the things that I always think about your memes always gets me. They're phony as hell, and you have some of the best like random photoshop things that expect like. I think it was yesterday or the day before you you release that one of. Every single free agency Jersey possible because he's a free agent, the summer. And that was fantastic. How do you even come up with some of the stuff that you do and how do you get it also? So on time because I. Get it out like a pretty much anytime that Shams has anything or woche has anything come out like obviously A anybody WHO's worth their salt in the NBA has those guys on notification would still like you have that stuff like really good comedic crap like just right off the bat when they're tweets Kamau. Again I i. wish there was a a better answer basically I. Just I. Do I have notifications on for. Roads and. Like report and then if something POPs up if I don't have something in my head thereby. See it and I don't have something in my head within. A minute that I just probably. move onto the next one. The APP to that like the free agency want any I. Guess it's kind of. Hard brand. He's going to be a understood or isn't unrestricted free agent how got have to hype up the crowd a little bit so he'd have all those Jersey ready for the for the photo shops. Okay. So I guess that's perfect. 'cause I KINDA WANNA ask you. Admit, he's obviously an unrestricted free agent to have a reference away signs you want him back, Phoenix you want to go back to Lawson. Do you want to see him take his talents? So like a big market and you can take over their fandom no not really I mean the when he got traded from Boston to Phoenix that I I remember there was a report that came out that said that. Boston was GONNA look to trade to a contender and then was. Nothing. Hours later got traded INEX- switch. Highly wasn't the ideal spot but. I, the? It worked out in his case where he stepped in when eight nine had to miss some time. And had best statistically the best year of his career. So. Hopefully. He just he guest spot where he's in a good situation and there's Yeah enough highlights that I can keep posting. Yeah definitely I think know one of the questions I want to ask you to is like you were I mean, obviously I I would surmise definitely a fan of Aron Baynes hard not to be considering you know all the stuff you do with your account but mean, it feels like, did you kind of started off just more as like a? you know neither you saw some real comedic value because Baynes. One of the most picturesque people in terms of like you can find some high comedy in some stuff he's doing on the bench and just like sheer enthusiasm and stuff and. So I wonder like the Kinda start like that or did you just kind of morph into that? Now, you know I mean. I mean, he obviously had the reputation of with. Getting gone But if you watch him play I mean the only reason why he's getting it on the other end of this highlights because he contests every shot. Bassett. he also played at least in Boston the perfect amount of time where I didn't have to watch every minute of the game. So he played like twelve to fifteen minutes and scored. Eight points grabbed five rebounds. Easy that clip and then kind of do the. League report ask highlight reel of it. So yeah, it is really just kind of. A way. Way For me to. Enjoy watching that sell the last year and Kinda just entertain myself. Enough, we needed it with how that team was going. Yeah I'll you know honesty? Oh, man the amount of Marcus Morris sixteen voters that move subjected to live up I think gave out like teammate or not. He may player grades like after that season and I'm pretty sure the only player who got like. Was Aaron Baynes he was like the only player that actually impressed and outdated expectations I remember to he I don't remember the numbers exactly the Celtics something like. Eighteen in three when he played overlooks seventeen minutes a game or And there were like. Yeah if You didn't Erin veins research you could. Find ways to really make him the most impactful player in the league. And Yeah. That's. What we try to do here at the advantage club. Absolutely I'm pretty sure what is what is the finals record he has Only. In history to shoot at least a two field goals in two free throws and Be a hundred percent from both. down. Yeah I I think there's a couple that are one, hundred, percent one or the other but no one's both with at least two shots. Some deep digging for Shan and if you look at his I feel there is some question whether or not it was actually a three pointer. Which I think I released an expose on that before. The that was that was the San Antonio would which which finals did he plan so in two thousand, thirteen, he did not he was on the spurs he didn't play. And there is a school of thought that maybe if he was on the court in game six with the. You'd have been there to box out in ground afterward. I don't I probably agree to balance but yet in two thousand, fourteen, he a, he started in the first round against the Lakers actually ans- this helped the spurs complete that sweep and the Lakers finally got back to blouse this year after Kinda ambitions broke them for ten years. And then yet pop played them in the finals in the one for one. Doctor a long story short. Yeah. Was the two thousand, fourteen finals where. He. Set his field goal three to record and collective chip along. Yeah. This like not only is Aron Baynes just the a memorable player and impactful player for the salt sees franchise destroyer Danes singlehandedly issuing the the dream, team Lakers to to their demise like. I didn't even think about that. I forgot I mean he's played on. So many teams to this. You want. I believe it's Egos. Spurs to. My. Roy, yeah goes. Detroit. Plays on those those pretty terrible teams actually maybe they needed. They were. They want bad though they were eight seat I think they were eight seed but they. They Braun in the first round and Yet, who knows if they put up the fight I think they got swept that I it was a tough sweet. Yeah and if they didn't put that up I don't know the cavs might not have had those reps to. To have one of the great comeback, a strict I have always wondered maybe instead of you know Stanley Johnson had said that he was gonNA lock up Lebron Aron. Baynes said that you would lock up lockup abroad maybe things would be different but. You don't know I'm getting into the right mind of thinking A. I got another. Question Okay. So I got to know what? because. You've had the account for a little bit. Now, what is like obviously you? You got people falling for all the time and You being just rule player some something like that. Oh. You're comebacks are the best van while yeah. That's great. But what is the biggest troll job? Like? WHO's the biggest like reporter a person you ever had believed? Andre Drummond he quote tweeted one of mine that was like. The face of the earth is. Relying on you to grab the rebound like who are you picking I, forget who I picked but I didn't I Andre Drummond was included my list of four players and I remember he quote tweeted that. He. Say I'd have to look at it was something like how could Not including that. Out I'm out I'm sure remains was in that hypothetical, right? I. Want. Absolutely. Not Jewish probably. Boxing. Hope. Team once That's fantastic I. I'm trying it will I. said the crazy got Andre Journalism I actually I just looked it up. So the that first round series against Cleveland, there was a Five point loss. A in A. Two point loss. You never know I mean I I, I think that Pistons. gave him that those reps that? The cavs needed to. Get over the hump their. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah I think. So the next thing that I would ask to have you ever had any contact with Aron Baynes because I feel like I mean you're gone to a point where it's it's definitely big enough that there's no way he hasn't noticed it. You follows it. That you thought you falls new town. Okay. Art That's awesome. Ambiguous. These that's like who? Think. So last question I have for you I. Guess Is I mean you're obviously big suns fan now because they are bands was there. He goes outsor-. You'RE GONNA be like still kind of like abortion Lee attached the Phoenix. Yeah. I think so I mean I watched more Suns basketball than I I pretty much Ninety five percent of their games I don't think I've done that. For Any basketball team really or maybe. Five ten years longer So. Yeah I. Think I'll always have had affinity towards the sons. And emigrate young team too. So they especially that bubble son's room. They look great and. So Yeah Jansher crushing. Yes. Yeah, it's funny because you were already big before the sons run but I feel like you just exploded in the in the limelight of the eight no bubble sons late. I know 'cause I. I got into pretty good touch with some of the guys sons, twitter because I I talked to a bunch of them for some premium stuff for the patients in the bubble and. It's cool because I feel like sounds twitter is a little bit of a smaller community compared to some of bigger markets but it's a really cool group and you are definitely like the final boss of sons twitter in in you dislike totally blew up this year. I think that's also probably part of why the account guts where it's at Just. Because the sun's obviously. The national coverage at some of the other teams would so. Yeah just getting I think what I like to consider as positive coverage towards your favorite team. And as they play well I I think that would help to. Grow So. The bubble run was very exciting. It was it was true that. bans couldn't help on the court, but it was pretty clear that his bench presence did contribute greatly to what they did. Yeah I I couldn't imagine the the. Post if Aron Baynes was playing run. The. Mrs. Emotional tone centers will they did will they had those on the bench and I think I did release say A bench Volvo Danes highlight milio it's out there somewhere. I will have to do that up. I think the last thing I would say though the last question. I I got Freeman. was kind of the coolest moment for you. Other than you know potentially dunk on by Andre Drummond rainfall and you back what's been kind of the COOLEST Moammer. Cool singles Kinda come out of doing this. It's really cool to hear you and talk about how you just kinda started up for and it just. kind of transcended normally just kind of organically. What's been your favorite part about it? On the the reactions have been great and actually I mean just so I do. Shockingly, have a job. so and This happens to be more entertaining than my day job. So the some of the responses yet do like legitimately make me laugh aloud and then even just like some of the back enforce that I've had with the Phoenix Suns main accounts I definitely didn't expect. Really any of this growth when I started for Maya. Own Person Own personal enjoyment but. The positive feedback I. had been getting just as it was growing organically was why I Have, continue to Do, earn like running account. I'm going to continue to question that definitely did. I will say you are closing in on surpassing Aron Baynes himself followers air game gives it. We're we're getting close but we have some work to do on that. Yeah. Airman's has sixty nine thousand. Nice. What a nice number and You're approaching fifty, five K. so you'll get there one day I know that for sure maybe within the next year who knows? It also I will say Boston needs to back like I want him back in Boston so badly, and actually I forgot something the. The best night was easily March six games when he just exploded for. Thirty seven point sixteen boards and was like the talk of. Basketball twitter at. Yeah. That was I thought my phone was going to explode all. Man Okay. So yeah. All right. I do actually have one last question that how to handle all the twitter notifications. That's one thing I've always wanted to ask people. Because I mean I'm not trying to flex my I. Guess my I started up where like last year whatever I had like this one tweet that I I did during the The MJ, doc that got like a thousand likes in like a day or whatever, and for me like that was already overwhelming. Just not my twitter and you get like I mean you've gotten like eighty or ninety thousand. Likes on something before. How do you even handle that on your phone? Does your phone is like shut off as he can't handle it or like what happens hat my kind of old. So already like doesn't run great but you can. I think just mute my notifications in like that kind of works but. I. Really. Appreciate it as an option of you notifications art from. People you're following saw to writing I. Think the I think that's what I do but yeah. So yeah, that's the way. Well at all one last thing, I want to say Aaron Baynes in general. He had. One of the NBA to be honest battle it's on you. You know what? The? No beard the. Average looking haircut he's gotta countable stiff with all due respects. Love advance now grew up his grizzly Adams. Beard. Red And it's it's full and it's it's beautiful looking. He's got the fade now it's he a nickel up I'll say that. Yeah I mean. Statistically he's Gotten better with age. You WanNa. Physically as well Scher. Like a fine wine deans also, they're based fan club. Will man before we get out of here. What's what's going on your life? It's exciting or anything that you got coming up. It's in the works that you want people know about also right now I'm creating a video for all thirty teams all my gosh it. Or not. But I probably should buy one stay on. Stan brand but. Just Basically doing nothing has nothing really open, right? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah living at quarantine might. Say. At this concludes I, think I might have to order myself airbase t shirt. So I want to give. These. Fan Club DOT COM. To everyone listening. Definitely on Bass fangled club DOT COM and get a base fan club. Sure I. I honestly might do it because I. I do I just got a paycheck. So it's a it's doable. Ornate. If you really WANNA, be awesome. You could give you one for crispus pretend it's Christmas now. actually keep you by your cell phone there mark. All right. It was definitely get one but I will definitely get one I. Think I'm leaning towards the black on black with the Orange Buick. Well, adding that's cleanness. Well. May I just WanNa say thank you for taking the time. Join US side. It was really awesome to talk to you in and interact with you. So I really appreciate a man. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Of course, in the tavern listening at home. Obviously, if you're not already go follow their based Anglo for some of the best NBA twitter content, you're going to get out there He does an incredible job getting stuff out and making stuff. Funny. I. There's I don't think I've ever seen him missed before So definitely check him out. So we are coming at you really quick. It's me Nate Georgie and Scott Levine. We have some. Big News Break Day in the NBA a couple quick hitter things that we got a dive into you before we talking to the main chunk of this. First of all boys, how're you doing today Scott? How are you man? To be back on the Pie and I believe I talked about the rockets last time I was here and we talking about them again, nate how are you today man? I better just play eighteen holes didn't go too well so I've been better. Yes. So first of all. Thai Lou hired on a five year deal by the Los Angeles Clippers to be their head coach. That significant but let me talk about the just lay out the rest of the coaching stuff that happened. Is there was a huge domino effect. So tired gets hired by the clippers. which he was in the running for New Orleans, he had previously been in the running for Philadelphia a been talked about as the heat not he the. Houston head coach. Now, he's taken off the board Chauncey billups announced as his lead assistant, but not officially signed yet because you still in the running for the Pacers. And I believe it Adrian Hausky who said that if he does not get Pacers job, he's taken the assistant job. So that potentially impacts the Pacers job which I will be talking about another podcast today. And Doc rivers just hire Dave yeager as one of his lead assistance in Philadelphia yeager was also mentioned as the head coaching candidate for the Pacers. But his interview did not go well according to sources. So. Yeah. A Wad of stuff happening right there. What are you guys? kind of immediate thoughts on Taiwo hiring everything came subsequently. I. Think that made the most sense because. He is a head coach level. Candidate and it seemed like you know he was kind of chilling as an assistant right there for them. So I'm not really surprised by. Yeah not norm I. He look he strikes me a lot like a bit like is not to my knowledge. He's on a crazy XS coach door was doc rivers. They're kind of one of those great leaders. You know a veteran leader that you know players, respect. That's kind of why he coached the broncos was a guy who could Lubov would actually respect as a coach. Shuttle David. Blatt. But. It was yeah I. Mean it wasn't surprising. I. Think it makes sense. It's definitely you know I mean they definitely, I'm still surprised they got rid of dark rivers I don't necessarily think he was the issue but. You know five year deal he'll be paid handsomely. So yeah I really like your point there because I think Jacob Goldstein put out today that he had a good tweet. It was I. Think you mentioned the same thing you sit on how it's nice that the higher louise you he's been a good coach. You will be a good coach coaching is not the reason the clippers lost so I think it comes. Down to that I totally agree on but yeah, I mean tyler was a good coach. He's a lot better than you got credit for in Cleveland I don't think he's like a bad XS and os coach or anything I, like him because he makes adjustments he's willing to throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks and if it doesn't, he'll try something else which that's an underrated aspect and coaching so. I think it was a smart hire also kind of crazy to talk about a guy who has been sitting in the Wings and gets the head coaching job twice after guys fired. But not say anything on time but I just think this interesting works out. He's really good at he showed excellent knows why she showed he's really good at using movement shooting. Ben Rubin. The steady in had a really nice breakdown of how he kind of. Pioneered that with Kyle Korver and JR Smith, and all these eyes and no one really did. It to that degree before him you wonder what he can do in that regard. You wonder if it's anything considering he was already there and you know already had input. Maybe we see a little bit more Paul George coming off screens and stuff like that where. I felt like doc offenses are kinda stationary comparatively. Absolutely. I. Don't really know. It'll be interesting to see what ty Lou can change. In what he didn't have say on that, he does now. Can effect things. Yeah I. See. I'll go ahead. It'll be nice to see if. They can actually you know issues they their offense officio leases as kind just is so heavy and they don't really get into too many sets once they got a switch you know there's a lot of relation. So it'll be interesting to see if he can utilize like because they have some movement shooters. That's for sure George Landry Shamet, the gas who can shoot on the move. So I'm glad you brought that up Scott because hopefully they do that. Yeah. I. Think the last thing I hit on that too with. It's interesting because you look at the roster they don't have like. Okay. So they have obviously good players but when you really think about it, I mean mantra. Great Screen Center. I. Guess. Michael Green is fine. You botches a good screener. But you don't really have anybody. You're you're counting on to be a great screen center out there and you have a lot of guys who aren't necessarily secondary players like. Marcus Morris as a secondary player I'm not sure if he knows that but we do. And like it's just I, think that's part of the thing that we lose in translation between you know trading Mohawk heartless in the first round pick Marcus Morris maybe marcus can hit a couple more shots but Mohawk was noses role better and he's going to sell out his role better. As little things like that. So I'm interested to see what they do with player development and in terms of overturning the roster a little bit but moving on from the clippers unless you guys have anything else to say on that. Huge news out of Houston today that I was not ready for or expecting got in the middle of class, I got notification on my phone that Daryl Morey had stepped down GM in Houston Obviously, I mean, that's a huge talking point that we have to bring up and. Kind of gauge where Houston's at right now and how this impacts them because I think. While all I'll let you say folks thoughts on that. I said on the pot I did with you evan that like yes Tell me might choose to or want to keep Daryl Morey but you know Daryl Morey is a guy who could Get another job. Somewhere else pretty much. Immediately, he has other interests outside of basketball. You know maybe he doesn't feel like sticking around just based on how this situation is going financially and I think that's what kind of won out. We Kinda saw Darrell Bela K I'm Daryl Morey I don't have to do this. If I don't want to a made, it's a little bit more confusing than maybe there's like a mutual agreement depart ways to an extent really seems like he left on his own volition. Yeah. Sorry my monitor's out there and I lost you guys. Honestly, this is just I have no idea what direction they're going to go in. Now because I mean as soon as it happened, there's rumors about Oh they're gonNA to Harden Is it because they're rousers built for more evil? So what do you do now without their more there? Do you consider the play that you shift in a different direction? I saw today that apparently they have interests in jail beat. I have no idea what they can possibly package to get. What are they going to trade for? Picks left I, mean. You are five picks that we can trade in twenty forty that aren't going to be hit by the Staff Yoon Roll like Jesus Oh man. Joel Embiid than the rockets will be the sixers in the sixers will be the rockets basically. While Cincinnati me. Hard hitting analysis. Insert Gif. Of ETA that that kid who's like getting shocked freaking out Yeah, well. I agree with you sky. Like. There's no real way out of this and I don't want to I think it's really interesting to look at Mori and what he's done there and it was crazy to say thirteen years. I've all you almost forget how long he's been there. People forget there was a problem. But. Had It that in for cody? No I mean like their what is Now I mean you can say the same thing with more still being there but. I think with Mike Dantonio walking away with Mori of course, now will walking away It's just like, yeah, you have the same roster as last year. But there's no real means of improvement. There's there's like what are you doing to to move on and to make things better and I thought you know maybe more would stick around and try and make something happen and I don't put this on their Omori. I personally I love that he sold out to try and make this team, a title contender, and then I also want to say that I blame this on Tillman for Tita I don't know how we can't like. This is a result of bad ownership like everyone always points to the rockets only playing seven array guys. It's because they only have seven guys who can play in a playoff rotation like what do you want? Chris Clements. To go out there and play a minutes in the Western Conference finals are in the second round like I'm not trying to be a Dick but all at least up in here. and Say I do think there's a little bit of blame. Well, yes I do agree that. Him Selling for for small ball was a good move and I liked that he did that and I respect that. But then again, he kind of liked the roster has basically nowhere to go. They're stuck where they're at and he just last as soon as you know the going got off and he had nowhere else to go small ball US maximize as they can't get off west contract he just left. He didn't deal with the MESSI created at the ad so. I he deserves a little bit of blue. And here's my counter though because I think the mess was created before Russell Westbrook even got there. You know I think the mess was when Chris Paul's injured. He's on a big contract and trade for US Westbrook was his way of trying to find a way out. I think a lot of the if tillman fatigue is not the owner I don't think he's leaving this like that's just my honest opinion. I mean inbreeding the work from Kelley Eko. WHO's like probably the best Houston writer out there right now phenomenal beat writer. I mean he pretty much put out in paper that the main reason for Mike Antonio leaving was because of Thomann for. TITA. And I think I would be shocked if that's not a major reason for tone for for more leaving as well and I. Agree Nate I think he has totally emptied the coverage to make Houston a title team but I mean. When you have a player like James Harden I I I don't know man it's I agree that someone has to go to him but at the same time I, think you look at all the cost cutting moves at told me for Titas made. That kind of hindered what what the team can do in terms of. Actually doing things and I I don't know I just I'm a little bit conflicted on that. So. Here's why I think they go from here. We can kind of shut the door on their contention window because they're not gonna pay for anybody better than they have right now I think for Tita is okay just. Having a fifty one team, the gets asses in seats and he will live with whatever happens in the playoffs. That's because I think that's the biggest financial boon is just having a team that you know. Gets people interested now will the question is can you get a GM to be good? And be good at their job and also just content with keeping that afloat and is James Harden. In Russell. Westbrook okay. being in that environment right? Like I think James Harden's incredible but. It's possible. He's you know. Find not winning championship if he can have a great situation for himself personally in basketball wise I don't want to say that that's like a bad thing I. Don't think it is I think these people are humans. Yeah but and that's you know if you can really really like your job and dropped forty night and have a great time, who's what am I to say? No, you should feel bad Westbrook same thing I think those guys it might just be them in. Everything around them kind of gets gutted. Over the course of a few years just because it's easier to do that than to move them. Move hardened, but it's like it's like a commitment you know. Is a great point Scott. So I guess sorry. No, you go ahead finish your point. No I I'm translating to something else. Okay. Well. You go ahead because I didn't have much to add on that. So I guess, the question is, what do you see happening if James Harden and Russell Westbrook stay on the team you know because that's a whole nother can of worms we'll just assume they're gonNA be on the team for the time being. What other moves do you see this team making? Obviously they have a few other good players. A PJ Tucker is under contract for another year Erik Gordon in Covington are under contract for another two years and Gordon, has a team option under the third year I don't think that will be A. Picked up but you know it's there a Daniel. House. Is Under contract till twenty, twenty, two So they have a couple like ways to retool or maybe cut costs Do you have any? Inkling of how this might play out. I I. Don't like I I. They're not getting off force contract either I don't think. I also put him as a sixtieth best player in our rankings. Yeah I I. Don't believe he made my top hundred actually. Let's talk about it. Now why not? Because he's a rocket we can talk about that. I think it's a reason. I didn't make them just how piss poor he was offense play the season. Yet. That's fair. He definitely wasn't good I wonder. What the situation was regarding health considering he only played thirty six games I thought was their second or third best player in the playoffs again yeah, he. Played solid in the playoffs but I think my thing with Gordon. I kind of get where you're coming from Sky I think he's a really weird fit for that offense like he's much better as not a catch and shoot guy he's if you can have the ball in his hands and create a little bit. I mean, that's how he came up and he was largely us just kind of catching shoe player. He's a much better defender than I think he's ever going to get credit for he's a really good defender at one of the pack but I just think his shooting and his own inconsistency was like abysmal this year. I mean, you shot below thirty percent on catch and shoot three's Actually, he was better off the dribble and was on catching shoot threes this year if I remember correctly last time I looked. I just for the money that he's making I don't see any team that would be willing to take him I. Would I I've seen him in trade NBA stuff to to the pacers ton and I don't I if if Kevin pitcher takes on that contract. That's that's a tough man like it's not that I think he's a bad player but I I don't. I don't know I don't. I don't necessarily soon as the top one hundred guy. I. Mean. If he if he pauses regresses back to you know the last year shot thirty, six, percent, thirty, six, percent, thirty, seven, thirty, eight, forty, five. So he's consistently like mid to higher thirties. So I mean if he posited aggressive back to that, I think they might be able to move off the contract but I don't know what realistically they get for him Obviously, he'd be traded more of like a title contender but like he's also making a Trump money. Got Ready you guys. Eric Gordon Daniel House Junior. To the sixers. Josh Richardson and Mike. Scott. But. Why would I give Josh Richardson for Disease? Not. Bagged if he's on the sixers. Erik Gordon yes. But these also getting Daniel how? They need some depths in. Shot used to be like a solid rotation player. Didn't play it all last year. Yeah. He's. He's. He's just a match salaries I. Don't think. I don't think Houston does that to be on I well no, I would well it I would take Josh Richardson over Eric Gordon I agree but I think. I really liked Daniels I'm pretty high. He's fine. I mean. I. Like Daniel Houses, like a nice complimentary player. But I don't think he's like somebody that I'm super worried about like. Trading or naturally Josh Richardson Jr actually younger than Dan. What is Josh Richardson Josh Richardson when I talked to Derek about this, we decided he's the best pick and roll player on the sixers which says more about the sixers than it does Josh. Gordon's. Picking Role player than Josh. Richardson. Point Yeah I. Guess I could see I. Don't know if Philly would do it just because. a pride thing but I mean I think that would help the sixers. It would cut some costs for Houston just because I believe Mike Scott's contract ends next year. Let's look this up on spot wreck. Combine Internet I never know how to say IT SPO- try. Wow, it's rock. Wow I was called sport track or some okay. Richardson has a player option but he makes significantly less than he's GonNa make a lot. You'll probably ended up getting a similar contract Eric Gordon I think yes. So if he opts out twenty twenty one he could you know walk and that would take some Money off of the books of Houston, if they do so desire getting Gordon and then Scots. Also a unrestricted free agent in two thousand, twenty one. So maybe a move like that where they compound a some of their long term contracts together to get guys who can like be good now but also Get off the books soon whereas Erik Gordon could be for another two years. Yeah. Exactly. I don't know it's going to be interesting to see what happens. I'm sure that there will be moves to make. And I believe that at least the last reporting I saw from Woven Shams that the system GM whose name whose name is escaping me right now is looking like the apparent guy who's going to step up to the camera. But lashley before you outta here. Do. We think that that. Is going to be somewhere in the next year or do you think he's going to take time off? I back the bodies in the NBA National. You say he's going to go back to Boston and work. There's no way he can work underage any more more. More. I hope he's back in the leading but I I don't know man I still going one of two ways either like takes a couple years off and he has a play on Broadway or something. A or or the sixers higher within the week only two options for me. because. I see this seems a lot like the Doc rivers situation. It's like sixers don't really get creative honestly with their GM coach hires I almost laughed at them last year because they like looked after They went after Maury like. RC Buford in there are those guys are like no. They're like up drat guess we'll stick with Elton brand and it's like there's a big Gulf of candidates between those two Whereas now more is available. I mean at least extensively. So I could see that being interested. Yeah. It'll be interesting I mean all that stuff just came out about Al and branding that he finally had like actual power to do stuff as the head of the front office Oh that would be. Interesting but. Deflecting what's happened already man I don't know I have I have no idea what to think oh, that wasn't that I didn't have power I didn't have the control I needed. A I don't know. Hey, it was all brown fault. So don't worry about it, but everything will be just great now. But all right we gotta wrap up now and get ready to go into another pod to. Everyone listening please be sure to rate and review us on Apple podcasts. Of course, subscribe anywhere else. You can get our podcast and redesign proves dot org Thank you for listening.

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David Baltimore - early work led to first HIV drugs

The Science Show

14:42 min | 1 year ago

David Baltimore - early work led to first HIV drugs

"The sun show on our in where I'd like you to meet once more one of those Nobel prize winners from Caltech the small campus in Pasadena has about three times as many Nobels as the whole of Australia and David Baltimore used to be its director. We first talked when the sign show was just weeks old because she won the Nobel prize in nineteen seventy five for work on well, viruses, and something called reverse transcript is and one thing that puzzled me always when viruses come into the body. Whatever body it is whatever host that they take over the mission control. If you like our DNA and invade their DNA in which then can be reproduced to make more viruses. Well, imagine that they're they're in your DNA little patch that it'll be Subodh code. How do they then make copies of themselves that primitive things that just a strip of chemical will it's like any organism on? Earth the way that the virus controls cell is through the proteins that are made under the direction of its DNA Aron A and so two duplicate themselves. They have to duplicate their DNA were there are a and they've appropriated the machinery from cells is designed to duplicate DNA Darnay and their DNA in our native, no different than the cells DNA. So they do Blake eight themselves, and they package up what they've made into little particles and those are the virus particles, and then they get them out of the cell and get them around the body. So they go in infect others cells, and they get them out on the surface where they go, and in fact, the people, and so they transmit their ability to duplicate from one person to another in the process, causing disease terribly. Sneaky thing isn't it? Well, it's appropriating the technology that evolved. For the organisms zoos, and so they're parasites. There are a lot of parasites in the world. I mean when you go out around your body are parasites are parasites on all the trees and their parasites on DNA. But when you did the work on how this sort of mechanism takes place age was unknown HIV was unknown. And so when it came to be how was it clear that they might be announce to treating aids from the work done. Well, we identified the key enzyme that allows the virus to duplicate its DNA Eretz are in a and that enzyme is quite unique to the viruses. So to stop those viruses from growing the simplest idea would be to make an inhibitor of that enzyme that inhibited the viruses ends on but doesn't inhibit sailor equivalent enzymes. And that's exactly what was done and it was done because the viruses were associated with cancer and set the drugs were made his anticancer drugs. And when the aids epidemic appeared on our doorstep, but ten years after I discover the verse transcripts as we had inhibitors sitting on the shelf and some bright chemists said, let's see if they'll inhibit aids and they did. And so the very first drugs that were made were drugs that were repurpose from anti-cancer drugs. And once the principle is established, then the pharmaceutical industry set out to make consciously drugs against the reverse transcriptase of the aids virus. So they got better and better drugs because they were making against just the right target. Well, leaping forward. Many many years to last October. November news came out that in China. Scientists called her had actually jumped a kind of. Ration- by trying to insert and succeeding to insert something in the DNA in the genome of unborn twins to make them resistant to HIV, and there was a huge house. It just happened to coincide with a major conference. Will you there? Actually, I ran the conference you ran the conference. Yes. Indeed. I thought done. And was the eruption of news. Unexpected totally unexpected just before I left the United States to go to Hong Kong, I got wind of this. And then once I landed it was the topic of conversation. And you say it was coincidental. We're not sure it was coincidental. Because it was known when this conference was going to take place, and you can easily subtract nine months and designed when you want to implant an embryo, so there's born just before the conference ODA sneaky in the extreme one thing that was puzzling. As to whether this was a remedy that made sense. I know that the father of the twins was a carrier of HIV, but was a procedure that seemed to be likely to be adopted generally. No, absolutely not it is neither the right way to go about it, nor is it necessary. We can prevent the transmission from a father. Other two offspring quite effectively by first of all treating the father would drugs that inhibit the virus. That will get you to a hundred percent, but it gets you to ninety nine percent. And then you can get the rest of the way by washing sperm. So if you use in vitro fertilization, techniques, you can with washed sperm have children born with really no probability of having HIV. But was that a suggestion that what had done would enable the children to be somehow immune to infection? Well, if he had knocked out both copies of CR five, gene. Which what he tried to do then. Yes, those children would be immune. But it has nothing to do with whether their father was HIV infected or not you could do this to any child. The question is is it totally safe to do that. Now, we know there are people who lack the Sierra five genes and those people live at apparently normalize. And so if you say, well, apparently, they're all right? Then you could say, well, we could afford to live without that, gene. But if they lived under somewhat different circumstances, particularly if they were likely to be infected by West Nile virus, then they may lack a defense by losing this easier five for teen. And so in a different circumstance, maybe actually quite dangerous for them. Why a scientist in general against having genes of embryos changed? I wouldn't say that scientists are against doing it. I would say that scientists are leery off target effects because they could cause any sort of gene to be defective, and it wouldn't necessarily even know it. Without sequencing the DNA of the offspring. And there's no way to retrieve that once it's happened unless you go in every generation and make sure that you're not transmitting it, which would be very difficult. It's now a permanent part of the human DNA the being passed on by the twins indefinitely. Exactly. And these modified genes that Dr hair made are going to be passed on from generation to generation unless they sterilize the children, which I think is very unlikely to take place as your tiring from the lab and working in the United States with very strange political situation. What's it like doing science these days after two years of Trump? Well in the past we were as scientists honored and the bulk of the population felt that we were doing work that was positive for the population in general and for the civilization. We're not so sure that people see us that way anymore, and certainly the president doesn't and people he's circled around himself. His cabinet don't they wanna create facts that satisfy their political needs, and they don't care about what the truth is. Of course, most degrees place where that takes place is in the discussions of climate change where it is so obvious that the climate is changing under the pressure of human beings that most people don't even argue about that statement anymore, and yet people in power in the United States today don't believe that or at least profess to not believing that and certainly act as if they don't believe it could you understand why they might be doing that. You know, what's the point of the knocking signs like that? I guess the question is do they believe what they're saying? Or do they not believe it, and it's very hard? Tele differ. Since it has always been true that there are people who simply will not believe things that the vast majority of people take for granted like the earth is round. There are flatter Thor's. How can they believe that you can see horizon, but they do the same thing with climate change. I think they've probably fewer and fewer people believing the climate change is not anthroprogenic not made by humans, but still there are quite a number of those people, and it's a sort of joke design, if a community that when a scientist has an idea that is not generally thought to be reasonable, and some do you don't argue them out of it. You just wait for them to die and then the next generation things differently. But there are few holdovers. So there will always be people. It's interesting thing if you look at the money always follow the money, whatever was being said in the White House. Nonetheless, congress voted funding for signs on very very impressive scale. Yes, they did. We were sort of wringing our hands that the funding of science was going to go down. And if you looked at the budget recommendations from the White House they were for twenty percent cuts in science across the board. And congressman Louie wouldn't listen to congress had sizes too important, and that it needs increased funding not decreased funding. And so in fact, there was increased funding for science that we're still funding climate change science. We're funding by medical science more generously than any other country in the world. And he's also impressive that you've got a number of people in the private sector, and you've talked to them who is still providing huge amounts of money. Well, we have philanthropists who are devoting their fortunes or some of their fortunes to science. I work with some of these people they understand that basic science is the way that we eliminate our understanding of the universe. And they help us do that. And what they like to work with especially Bill Gates. You're saying that Bill Gates sometimes likes to give private funding because he finds his own foundation rather to bureaucratic. Gazes a very curious in very smart and very well educated men, that's not necessarily true of other philanthropists many of whom find science opaque, but they understand how critical it is. And so they fund science without even pretending to have a understanding of exactly what it is their money's being used for gates. His different gates read science books. For pleasure. I've been in a room with him when he just recently read a book, and he has all sorts of detail questions to ask about it. A very wonderful man to be with what about Mark Zuckerberg? A Mark is much younger than Bill Gates. Also, a very smart, man. A little I think less sort of academically curious more interested in the social side of humans. But here he is devoting three billion dollars to basic science at UCSF at Stanford and around the country. He probably doesn't try to understand every detail of what he's supporting. But believes that this is what he ought to be doing finally back to science back to cancer, you'll working on a new line there. What is it? I've been working some on immunotherapy for cancer and have had general program called engineering immunity in which we use gene transfer methods to modify immune systems, so that they're more effective in dealing with cancer. And aids your marshalling your own immune system to fight back. Right. Your immune system has capabilities that usually doesn't demonstrate because there are all sorts of break spilt into the immune system. So when you for instance, have cold Eurosystem system reacts to that very fast and very Florida. If feel terrible you sneeze and cough, and all of that, that's all your immune system getting to work. But if you're going to go back to. To being healthy individual all of that has to be suppressed, and so the immune system is as complicated in its suppression of itself as it is in the activation of itself, if you want the immune system to last longer cancer is a long term effort by the body. And so you want to take the brakes off the immune system. We've only in the last short while learn how to take those breaks off what those breaks are and how to take them off. And that's the biggest thing going on in cancer research today. Well, our chief scientists to the previous one not one of them and Finkel, but in Chubb had it looks like he's life saved by being one of the experimental people who got that sort of treatment where it's wonderful to hear will. Thank you yet. Again after four interviews. Oh since nineteen seventy five I'll see you in ten years. Okay. He'll be ninety by then Nobel laureate up the David Baltimore. One of those who helped save thousands. Thousands of lives from aids he still at Caltech in California.

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How Do I Respond To "How Do I Get Promoted?" - Part 3

Manager Tools

29:32 min | 1 year ago

How Do I Respond To "How Do I Get Promoted?" - Part 3

"Welcome to manager tools. How to respond to how do I get promoted part three? Here we go. This gas answers these questions. What do I tell my Rex when they want to promote it? What are the key criteria in helping it record promoter? But want answers these questions? More listen there we go. Hello to all of our European friends. We will be in your neighborhood soon August sixth and seventh. That is, we will be holding our effective manager and effective communicator conferences in Frankfurt, since it's a major air, rail and road, transportation hub, but we do hope to see all of you there registered today at manager hyphen tools dot com forward slash training. I'll feta sane or per three of the show. We've talked about the question. How do I get promoted? And the fact that it's a fair and even actually a good question to get from your direct, and we talked about how to respond like, I'm glad you asked. And everybody's been listening to us knows for sure by now. Right. That management is about results and relationships. And so we talked about, as part of your answer to this question that you most likely get your career start talking about significant results in the need for those and the next part is building, great relationships. And actually, I think Mike. When you go back to the results thing, just real quick. A lot of young people who asked this question, and it's in the popular press into Maine, and so on because there's this whole thread, which is misleading that. Oh, these young people are, you know, he's only been here eight months, and he's asking for promotion. First of all, that's a, a slur on young people, which is just falls. If you're forty five and you've been been your professional life for twenty twenty-five years. I submit to you, you have forgotten what you learned in, when you learned it and knowledge, that you have had for a long time gets mixed with other knowledge and it's not a bunch of discrete items that are unconnected part of the beauty of the human mind, is you learn one thing, and then you learn something else. And then later, you learn a third thing, which is nothing more than the marrying of those two. Things changing the character of both of those things. And what happens is people forget that when they're forty five they wondered how they could get promoted now maybe they didn't have the temerity to ask I would argue that they did. And they just forgotten that acted. And I got the same response at people are getting today. Yeah, exactly that regardless they're asking. Now. What happens is a young person today says, you know I like to know how do I get promoted and it often happens during a performance review where mistakenly a lot of people believe that that's when promotions are offered and so on, because that would be their report card, and the result of a report card for a lot of people is reward when they do. Well, not, if you were my family when one of us complained to my mother that, hey, other kids when they get straight as they get money. My mother said all of us, well than their parents are idiots because the reward is the a we don't give rewards for getting rewards. But people ask during the performance review thinking this is the time. Right. And they don't understand that the promo three is not the time necessarily to talk about. Okay. Why am I not getting promoted, I think it's an embarrassing thing to ask the way the popular press the way, the internet presents it, but it's completely legitimate concern on the part of your direct and it points out something else that really organizations if you really want to help your people get promoted, why wouldn't you tell them what the path is now a lot of managers away? I don't know what the path is. Okay. Fine. But my point is when people ask it should be a sign that there's lack of Claire. Eddie. And there may be people who are working on the wrong things and furthering away their energy on things that are not helpful because it's not clear to them what the key results are. It's not clear to them where they can get the most bang for the buck in their career. And yes, you can certainly paint them with a brush that says they're selfish. I get that. And at the same time, suppose you had a team of people who never asked you whether or not, they were going to get promoted, but they performed as if it was an incredibly competitive environment. And they all outperformed everybody else to the point where you had an embarrassment of riches. I would argue that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If people ask, how do I get promoted, it's actually a good thing, as we mentioned earlier, and really, it starts at lack of clarity lack of clear communication in advance. And this is going to be one of my favorite moments in this cast everyone's assuming that we're helping you answer the question that the direct asks you, but there's a part of this cast, it's designed to tell you, if you do what you're supposed to do. You'll never be asked this question because they will have known it long before. And there will be no question that it's results and relationships. And then, of course, you'll have to do more and say and here are the specific results relationships. And by the way, if we break our people down into three groups exceptional performers that we think are likely at some point to want, and, in fact, earn a promotion and then a group in the middle, which is almost the hardest, which may assume that they think they're going to get a promotion. But you don't think they will and the group at the bottom who it would be high temerity of them to ask rather than worrying about that group in the middle saying? Hey, how are you promoted? Why not tell all of them up front, and this going to sound terrible? But it's the phrase that came to my mind, make it a race the top rather than a defensive, there's from the bottom and say, hey, I'm gonna make it clear how you can get ahead. Yes. I know for many of you say, well, Mark, I can't do that. Because the process is veiled, in secrecy, because I you know, I don't know because I'm not told fine. Okay. But if you're going to have a problem with employee performance and everybody does. And if you're gonna have a problem with this question, and everybody does, why not make the problem a little bit different in that you have again, an embarrassment of riches, and so why not tell the person at the bottom sometime early on in your relationship. Hey look, you're here. Forget about pass stuff. I wanna give you every opportunity to succeed. I wanna tell you about what next steps might be in your career. Now look, if somebody says, well. I'm good here. I'd you know that's not what I want, you can say two things one. I want you to succeed at the highest possible level, and the organization does too, and I want to be clear about this, so you don't have any doubts. I don't want you to think on a given day you know, I'm kind of getting into this. I want an opportunity grow my career here and at that moment, realize that you don't know what to do. So I'm I'm going to be clear proactively in advance. I'm gonna give you information that will never put you in a situation where you don't know what you need to do. Now, look, I want to do my part because I'm hoping, you'll do your part. I can't make you want to get promoted. That's and it's fine if you don't but heaven forbid that the reason somebody doesn't do what the organization would deem best is because they've decided they want to do better. And we haven't told them how jeez, that's our responsibility. It's my responsibility is your manager. But there's another piece of this to that. I'll just mention we have a podcast about him, which is for that group at the bottom that says. No, no, no. I, I have no desire to be an officer, you know, as the noncommissioned officer said to Mike and I thirty five years ago we own the army. No, I would never want to be an austral always being listed guy. I want to stay in my role, we have a podcast about that. And if you're thinking that this cast is it, it's not where your direct says. No, I want to stay where I am. I don't wanna grow remember. Nobody gets to stay where they are. If you're is growing by five percent per year, making up that number and one of your people says, I want to stay where am. I'm just I'm good here if they don't change their behaviors. And if they don't organically incrementally improve their performance because the organization is growing and changing constantly, someone who thinks of themselves in stasis is actually falling behind and so- growth improvement of performance. Year-over-year is a requirement for job security. I don't mean to make that sound too harsh, but you can't just say I don't want to get promoted I like my role. Okay. Good. But you're not paid for your role. You're paid for your performance and don't kid yourself. Roles have salary bands simply because roles are easier to describe and categorize and characterize than everyone's individual performance here in the organization, and so therefore, yes, you think your pay is tied to your role but actually really the boundaries of your pair tied to your role. Your pay is actually in our world, more closely linked to your performance and your performance if it stays flat will decline over time, and that will put pressure on your pay your economic wellbeing, and more importantly, your future at the firm that was a very long rant. I apologize for that. So, yeah, I just wanted to make that point that the whole issue of this very question is essentially a symptom of another problem that brings into play all kinds of other things about bosses, and their relationships with people. And to be clear, guys. We're not saying that you've done wrong. Nobody's ever told you this. Like, hey, get promoted a management. Here's your team. A bunch of folders, you know, go talk to him. No training or anything else. But we can help you solve the problem when somebody asks tomorrow this cast will do that for you. And there's more proactive steps systemic steps in advance that will make you a truly great manager. And having this conversation earlier is better, and I wouldn't has date say, if somebody came to me, eighteen months later and says, well, Howdy promoted, I said, well, I want to take you back to our conversation of eighteen months ago or I said, the first rules results, and we'll come back to that in the second rules relationships. Let me give you a sense of how you're doing results and relationships wise here are some metrics, that you and I have been talking about for the last year in terms of quality, and quantity, and accuracy of your work, the Thailand of severe work. The documentation around your work. Your ability to achieve goals, so on you do know how to get promoted. And so therefore, look, I love you, man. But maybe you've forgotten that conversation. I can I can forgive that. I guess one time, but let's be clear, you do know what it's taken. And I think the subtext of your question is, I think I've earned it and the results in relationships and you're wondering why that validation that reward isn't forthcoming? Let's be clear. I love you and your performance is not warranting a promotion. And here's why. And I've been clear now a lot of you are listening or saying, gosh, you know, I don't think I could have that conversation because I haven't been communicating assertively proactively. Let's say regarding people's performance, I haven't been given feedback. I can't solve all your problems actually we're going to try. Before retired. All right. I still have results in my head dude. I mean I, I do so you ask them about relationships, right? Your business owner. So of course you'd have. What have you done for me lately? So, look, I will say that if we haven't done any of the things we do get into this conversation and you're having to communicate these things and you've already covered results. I think most people are aware that results are the coin of the realm when it comes to promotion, and I think many of these conversations occur again because it wasn't clear in advance and because the manager hasn't made it more clear by giving lots of feedback about their level of performance. But the second part of this conversation, I suspect would surprise anywhere from forty to eighty or more percent of the people who are hearing it because it takes two things to have a great career. One is one of your results in two are the relationships you forged with others, and it's our job whether managers all over the world have been doing it or not to make clear that for someone who wants to get promoted. Did you have to maintain relationships as well? You have to create strong relationships and you cannot secure or attempt to secure great results at the expense of your relationships, and therefore reputation. And this would be a classic rookie mistake, if I worked for Mike. And Mike was say thirty and I was twenty two and I asked him, hey, boss, how to get promoted. Or if maybe if I didn't, and I just went after it hard getting results which to be clear guys. I think both Mike and I and our early careers. That's what we thought. We thought look, I'm outperforming everybody else in a where's the beef. And in fact, I Mike, I think one of your bosses said to you. You're the best team lead. We ever had. And if you continue to save the way, Hugh, do in Mike's case it was because he was right in my case, because I thought I was right. And told people I. Thought it was right. I think what she said was. That's all you'll ever be right. Yeah. Knife to the heart. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. So you can't get results at the expense of relationships or your reputation with others, because we have to have an ongoing concern not a bunch of Shooting Stars. Congratulations. Your organization has had several internal promotions. Well-done sending a positive statement of forwarding opportunity internal to your organization, which begs the next question, do you have the appropriate managerial training in place to let them know they're no longer just the best IT coder, or lawyer there? Now, managing a group of professionals within their discipline likely their former peers this scenario. Sounds familiar to you consider bringing the effective manager training on site where we will work with up to thirty of your newly promoted managers to teach them the new behavior. That's expected of them contact. Maggie Maggie at manager dash tools dot com or visit our website. For more information. So all that said, long Philo que- aside. That's upon by the way, the soliloquy aside, here's how it might sound continuing the conversation we've already started. The second thing I want to talk about is relationships. And you know as proverbs says with all getting get understanding. So this is an important point that a lot of people miss in these conversations results are the most important component of promote ability, and that's why I covered it. I but you cannot do that at the expense of other people, it is not about you. It is not about what you can get. It is about what you enabled the organization to achieve one of the greatest things about humankind is its ability to subordinate itself for something larger than the self. It's why organizations exist. And it's why sociologists have been saying for a long time now that the greatest achievement event kind is large organizations. You have to create your significant results, while also strengthening your connections with other people. You can't use people to get what you want. Okay. If I sense that you're doing that, because you heard me talk about results, and they are more measurable and their clearer. And we talk about the more than we do about relationships. I'm probably going to sit you down and say you're going down the wrong path. I'm happy to have the results, but it's not an either or you have to temper and I think most people who have gotten to the top of their organization. We'll tell you in the beginning, it was all about results for them, and then they started learning about the value of relationships, and they started tempering their dry for results in order to maintain relationships, and then they realized that the harder they worked on relationship, the more the results, they got, and it's, it's sort of a three stage process effective successful people go through in their careers. Not not saying there aren't people who in the career thing, it's all about people that may be part of horses laws. It's horsemen second law. But. Don't ever expect me to tell you that I knew that when I was twenty three or twenty four twenty five years old. If you think you can take from relationship without giving, you're right you can. But the delta what happens in that situation is a reduced relationship, and that's not sustainable in any organization. You can't you know, this is the same set it up thousand times, I'm sure on air, smile at people on your way up because you'll see them on the way back down those relationships with others are crucial to your ability to collaborate. There's a word that's really popular in the managerial and popular pro common press right now that nobody understands nobody's willing to define and makes everybody feel good. And it looks like you're an ad for a business where everybody's leaning back in Enes chairs and Aron, chairs and brainstorming about things with a fairly uncluttered and squeaky clean conference room. And we're we're just. Collaborating and collaborating is not that and you have to be able to form position coalitions as well. And persuade other people and if you want to persuade trust is involved in trust involve communications evolved. And if communications involved a relationship pass to occur, if you know, some people give sales people, a hard time for working really hard on building relationships, and if you're an engineer like Mike, and I are, and you haven't learned from forty years of professional life about the value of relationships. You see any attempt by a salesperson to build a relationship as some form of ingratiation or smarmy, nece, or something. But in fact, sales people no, you're not going to buy something from me, if you don't trust me, and so I'm going to work hard and our relationship and let there be a trickle down effect on the relationship. The reason why engineers disdain sales people. Is because they don't understand the if you'll pardon the expression, the economics of relationship building. And I say this is an engineer guys, they're not willing to do it. But don't kid yourself guys, if all the engineers in the world sat in their cubicles, and did their work and the sales people weren't out doing things that you would not do there would be no work. So the ultimate bad example of this is demanding who burns, everybody out and gets results. But also creates a retention nightmare. And I've said it before one of the only places you'll find that, that mistakenly seen as sustainable Wall Street, because as long as you make us enough money we can hire people to support you and go through them, like a scythe through weet. Okay. Continuing and look. Hey relationships matter, more than you realize. It's not just colleagues at your level. Those are most important, the people who your, your peers, half the like working with you or it's harder to get promoted. If I don't feel that from them day to day week tweak. It will be very hard for me to support you having role power over them or folks like them at any level. I'm gonna go further. You also have to have and in some cases, that will mean you're going to have to create these from scratch good relationships with my peers, they have to know you, and trust you even folks at my bosses level have to feel good about your people skills. You don't want to have the was Romeo, and Juliet moment of you don't wanna get close to being ready to get promoted had them. Find out. They don't know you at all. And then half the suddenly start interacting with them like a political campaign. It happens and maybe you can do it but it's a pretty high risk situation. For most people team members of projects you're on have to know. You trust you and even like you. They have to be able to say if someone asked him about, you know. Yeah, she's quite good smart. Nice hardworking good team player without these kinds of strong relationships, those who make the decisions which includes me at least in small part won't assume that you can communicate and persuade and inspire teams or work well across the organization and dude, working well across the organization becomes more important, the higher you go, which. Makes sense when you start thinking about it and all these relationships. I'm talking about above your level or crucial for another reason you may think I have some significant amount of control or even absolute control over your promotion. It doesn't pay me to say because I've been around the block. I don't. I have to compete for limited budget limited positions at various levels, and other constraints. The organization our company puts on promotions. That means I have to compete with my peers who want to promote their folks for, obviously similar reasons. If you want to get promoted make it obvious you deserve. It beyond me take the tough projects. Take the projects that require you to build relationships across the organization, and therefore, others will have visibility to your strengths across the organization. I'm not the sole decision maker here. In fact, I'm a minority interest helped me now for when you and iron agreement that Iraqi, the more important part of that agreement is me, of course, so that we have a makeable case to my boss and to my peers and maybe to my boss is peers because they know you and are aware of how will you done? Okay. Now look at this point, you have to be thinking. How am I gonna do this? Right. How does someone create and go relationships? Right. How, how do I do that? What if I'm not naturally? People person that happens to about half the people in the world, by the way, then it's actually pretty easy communicate more about what other people care about in ways that makes sense to them. That includes me and anybody else, and as an aside here, folks, if you haven't heard that before in those particular words, that's basically, what we teach in terms of effective communication, what this means getting back to my, my soliloquy here that means paying attention to other people, and how they communicate for instance, do they really prefer Email or is that just easier for you? What do they care about? What do they care about that? It's not in alignment with what you care about. When was the last time you did somebody a favor, not because you were going to file it away to use against them or to get something from them. But because, you know, favors are the coin of the realm. What's their spouse's name? What are their kids names? You want favors from people. You want people to support you. When there are limited resources lunar rewards to be passed out, you better start taking care of others because otherwise they won't take care of you. Yes, you have to give before you get. And if that bothers you life is going to be a struggle, my friend. Getting promoted is not all about. You your promotion that happens to you will be impart based on what happens to others because of you, look, don't make mistake. If thinking that all. This stuff is just politics. It's not whatever one calls politics are just a normal, and reasonable relationship effects that happen in human organizations. When you look up at the top of this organization, and you see people at the top compromising what you call politics, they call collaboration and relationship effects. What I'm talking about here is not playing politics. It's creating relationships. It's treating other people well and having them want to work with you, not just because you're smarter, not just because a rising tide lifts all boat, and you are the tide rather because they know that you are an example of the kind of organization. They wanna be a part of. Look, I've said this before, if you want to be in a place where there are no politics start your own firm, and keep it a firm of one or die. Once we accept that politics, exist, even if you disagree with them, somehow morally, which is a stupid conclusion and full disclosure. That's the conclusion, I made when Mike and I serve together in the army, regrettably, once we accept that these kind of relationship affects exist, and we don't belittle these relationship effects with cynicism. You really have a chance to build some lasting relationships. Look one final thought about relationships. A promotion means you'll have responsibility for other people here usually managing him. The most powerful thing managers can do deliver results and retention which is what managers for the organization. Is to get to know each member of their team. How can we be sure you can build relationships with a team of directs? If you haven't shown us, you can already do it as I listened to that, I think, back to you talked about earlier my conversation as a young team leader in Louis Charles, I'm a manager and had the conversation with me about like start figuring out relationships or team leaders. All you'll ever be. I was lucky that Louise had that conversation with me. I it credibly lucky if somebody had this speech speech is wrong. I don't mean speech, but had this conversation with one of their directs your direct is going to be thinking of you just like I think about Louis Charles, she changed my life. That's not a bad place to be as a manager to say change somebody's life. You know, get all weepy about how I think about management and the good. Great managers can do in the world. But this is your opportunity to set somebody straight early on in their career about how to succeed in what you have to do in our listeners, skew still, probably technical this technical managers. You don't necessarily think about relationships. This could be one of the most important conversations you ever have one of your drugs. That's it everyone for this week will finish this one up next week. Let me time aggregrate one. It's a long, folks.

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Part 1: Aron Wellman

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Part 1: Aron Wellman

"Sirius Xm Ford's presents with Steve horseracing becoming interviews. This is always who will stupid from Santa Anita Park last morning here in Arcadia for Breeders Cup Twenty nineteen eighteen before we head home this afternoon series to nineteen Xm to a one sport zone nine sixty four. You're listening to Siriusxm online at our website. I forgot my own name. The BIG DOT com. I actually is very funny because I I I slept until five. AM which would be eight o'clock eastern and been here. How long since we could go Saturday night? So seven eight nine ten days and I had not not slept past two. AM In whatever nine nights. And and I did sort of rows and then I close my eyes and the next thing I knew it was like four fifty five so I was stunned. I and I I should be fresh daisy right but the extra two or three hours of sleep. But I don't know I don't know if that's the case when you get up every day essentially at five Prepare for the show eastern time. And then you come here I. It's hard to you know what this means. Of course I I'll. I'll get home tonight and tomorrow morning. I'LL WANNA sleep until old delete thirty. It's the worst right when you when you do a time change and you stay someplace long enough that your body makes the shift. Well we've got the second day to continue to digest everything. And we're we're GONNA talk to Brad Cox Nacho courageous check in with anti John Whites going to be here Vince to Gregory as promised yesterday the the amazing Gregory Eighty eighty seven eighty seven. I think eighty six or eighty seven years old and originally from green witch very important it raised in Green. which is the craziest thing and I got? I got to know Vince. I don't know twenty years ago and of course there's anybody that's been whenever you come into racing you that's how long you've known Vincent Gregory if if you've been in racing fifty years that's how long events that this is true of. Everybody and I don't know if there's if there's truth to the rumor that the Vince Hot walked sea biscuit that I I can make things. Although it's it's actually possible right. It's technically possible. Look forward to it. I Vince was on my my God. I bet you it's it's somewhere in the arts and I would say somewhere between two thousand six and two thousand eight so oh longtime between drinks prevents Gregory on the show and he'll sit in and regale us with with some tales of of yesteryear a year and boy. Are they welcome. In light of some of this continued aftermath and the confusion. Uson recriminations are just. It's very difficult and and of dubious benefit to try to backtrack you could certainly I mean certainly internally learned from decision making and the processes but the the one question. They never should've never should've come back they. They should have abandoned The concept of having the Breeders Cup. It's Anthony Native that that's that's easy to say In in in light of how things ended here in the last literally in the last three hundred yards but at the same time there didn't appear and from all indication. There wasn't a a suitable and at the ready alternative. That was interested. They didn't having the event then there was the whole matter of abandoning Santa Anita and the California racing community and the message that that sent. Now you're get a half to I suppose at some point look back and figure out which would have been which turned out to be worse having the event and the circumstances and whatever the whatever the fall out is going to be versus what the fallout would have been had the event moved and the inner workings here contractually and that element and all all the things that went into that decision which was agonizing. Is it at the time and many people hailed and felt was the right thing to do. Then you get into all the things that were going on with a team of thirty veterinarians thirty and evaluating the horses on a day to day basis and that includes right up to the morning of the of the racing On Friday and Saturday Horses that were taken Kanada the event. So there's certainly was. There certainly was a aggressive. Posture are involved and that. That's what makes you know part of what we're hearing here in the last twenty four to thirty six hours from particularly from Governor Feinstein's office in a one thing adding one thing that was one thing that she said in the statement that's obviously being written for her and forced the through her. It's obviously she said it's obvious I don't have it in front of me but oh it's obvious that they're that whatever measures are being taken aren't enough enough well. That's isn't that the whole point of what we discussed in fact yesterday that the measures the attempts to filter through and anticipate horses that may be vulnerable and at risk. That was his heightened as as it possibly could be and in light of of what some people are saying. Yeah the workout. That that individ- GAM bat was not happy with and so forth. And that you know watching him on the track and coming off the track track people with trained is not not you know Internet veterinarians veterinarian's saying that there was something. Oh there's you know there's something Amiss here and that he wasn't done hundred percent and how did they miss. Is it. Well it it. That's that's the question everybody asks an that doesn't doesn't have to be Breeders Cup Eh whenever whenever a horse goes wrong everybody around it and you know all the racetrack doc. Practitioners all the jurisdiction employed veterinarian staff that monitor and then work to anticipate the issue. That's true on a daily basis nationwide and worldwide worldwide and. I'm sure I'm sure the morning that that line of duty the Godolphin Charlie applebee's yard that we could go. Oh Saturday I I. I'm sure you know when he when he suffered a catastrophic injury everybody had groom and everybody that got them. Ready to go out and Gallup. They they were all just as vigilant and I don't know as I said yesterday today to Peter and Laffite. How are you going to explain you? Peter said there's no there's no ready and and easy explanation when you're dealing with S- unknowns you you can only try to provide as as safe an environment for the horses and riders as you can and I think the concern is and should be that the people that don't seem to under understand that or even have any interest interested in understanding it. The no amount of no amount of effort will will satisfy you know the critics so trying to placate that element I is is going to be a a moving target and an elusive target. The fact is the industry in the last two decades said this yesterday in one shape or form the industry over the last two decades became more and more acutely aware of these concerns as well as the after care issues and have moved deliberately Eh and successfully in all of those areas in every area. And when there's been clusters like like the two thousand twelve task force. This is why I bristle when I hear and read some things that Oh that the industry's he's done hasn't done anything that's just per just completely false comp- a complete why I won't even say misrepresentation. It's a complete falsehood if anybody buddy actually took the time and went through. Go through the series of initiatives obviously in New York with the task ask force for welfare and safety and what that has successfully implemented it go through the work of the Th Vha and the EPA that has been delivered messages for vigilance and improvement and at every level. And I don't I don't think it's even reasonable. I was GONNA say practical. It's not reasonable to expect that you know every issue on the checklist it. It can be implemented and and successfully executed like turning on a switch. You just work at each of these areas in your respective environment of Peter and said you know right from the beginning right from right from the birth of a foal the best practice concept and you just keep getting better at it and that her and it means a constant evaluation of the surfaces. And if there's a better surface In any environment repairing basis improved material for cushion better track maintenance. What every element? Then you all you know all things like the area in the in the sales arena that Jesse Jackson improved proved that environment the false the declaration of fold surgeries And on and on I mean this is a complex this. This is more complex. This business this industry the sport. There's more moving parts in this industry than in any you could possibly think of. I try to try to think of something that that is has intricate and unusual and complex and so that means there's no easy answers and it gets back to what we talked about earlier in the winter about being good stewards in the area Korea of which you contribute to the industry every single portion along the time line and you know the course course of the horses life and all the while the business ends from you know from the farm to the sales arena the development of of Eurlings into two year old race horses track executives jobs cognizance being respectful of of all the working parts appreciating the horse player working harder to make the game more attractive love to them because more handle equals more revenue equals more tools for a better practices is an and management and everything but it it is a huge undertaking and it passed past the basically fall to each every participant in the game. And I. I don't know what else I don't I don't know how many other ways to address that. Are that are possible. So we'll celebrate with quite a few of the winners Aaron Wellman who had a fascinating. I mean wild wild weekend even Sunday when independence all that national will win. We'll talk to Erin Brad Cox. I mentioned who else Andy. Forget Nostril Korea's Chuck White. Stay with us. It's GonNa be a fun morning last in Gallipoli with feedback on Sirius. XM Radio E R F sports for digital edition your ultimate weekly Bannon Guide published by daily Racing Form Sports for delivers all of the analysis. This is an insight you need for every NFL game more than forty college. Football matchups beat the spread with powerful trends and sharp angles tapping best bets. Expert picks winners owners and more all for just ninety nine Aparicio. This week's edition free visit dot com slash sports. Enter Code D. R. F.. Sports are you up on race. Track Industry Program can prepare you for an exciting citing career in racing. Turn your passion into paychecks. 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Twenty minutes this hour one on this Tuesday our last day here in Los Angeles and the Erin Wellman joining us. Not from not from the San Diego area because he flew to Lexington and of course tonight the Night Ada Stars at Phase Tipton and any number of big names through the ring the broodmares including Blue Prize Nacho Korea so join Nisa after we talked to Aaron and it was nice enough to celebrate schering's win with him on Friday with Graham motion clips but then on Sunday quite quite quietly out of sight at Akwa duct the third day of the Akwa duct meeting perhaps the most exciting exciting two year old male just burst forth and Aaron Nice bookend Friday and Sunday to the weekend. Good morning. Good Morning Steve. Thanks on a pleasure and you got in late. You sound a little bleary. But we'll perk you up talking about about these two two year olds the Philly on the turf and the boy on the constitution on the main track. Talk about sharing sharing. Start out there and How you know how everything came to be? Yeah I mean what a weekend it was just Really gratifying to have weekends like this for partners and for all brands just sort of gives a real shot in the arm that all the work is worth it and don't harder and that their partners invest our program you know get get the thrill here in the forum said that was that was huge huge. And we've been knocking on the door. We started the company years ago. We part of Breeders Cup runner at least one every year. Since then we've been really close. It's a few times but never got a W. so to do it with sharing on Friday was just the euphoric experience What affiliate she uh? She's been special from day. One and to see the plan come to fruition like it did be surrounded by such wonderful partners involved in the partnership partnership including Anthony Back Games fire John. Gains of course was the founder of Breeders Cup which added Special Meeting to it and then of course to Know pundits on share it. Rick Graham and whose family was extremely meaningful on the watch. Manny you know disbursed. I emotional the wire with his Breeders Cup win it was. It was a perfect storm of positive events. And we're just so so working into progression in the in the aftermath of we'll talk about the race and the mechanics and so forth and and even factor the whole development arc to arrive here for the future star Friday opportunity but the fact Aaron that this Philly was even available for public consumption as a sales prospect is a little bit remarkable shared account of course herself Breeders Cup winner by bites down and bred by Sagamore usually operations rations. That that of that ilk they sell the boys they keep the girls and for her to even be available to me was a story story line. It's a good point Steve you know a motto that I live by gaining out no matter how I'm looking to acquire acquire. One talent is the good horse can come from anywhere at any time You almost have to prevent yourself from thinking too much about why And certainly when a Philly like this comes to market from an operation like Sagamore you would I think would want to retain something like her for their broodmare band. The first question is why would they be selling. There's gotta be An angle hole somewhere exactly and quite frankly sometimes those have been some of the. Most fortuitous plays that I've been able to make on behalf of the eclipse and and in my career is being being in the right place at the right time and not ruling out opportunities like this because Something smells a little fishy so obviously officially on paper cheese by Breeders Cup winner in Spike. And she's out of a breeders cup winner in shared account. Who happens to also be by Breeders Cup classic winner in pleasantly perfect? So I have to do some research but I'm not sure that there's too many Breeders Cup winners who the type of Breeders Cup lineage Other than her and for her. Not WanNA bring this up. Races is pretty spectacular But yeah you know you're exactly right and you know we do our world Obviously physicality is paramount over pedigree We liked facilities physically issues very racy very athletic Not Perfect but she had some laws that was willing to accept and and she had the scope to hopefully develop into a really nice philly. In due course So you know we are due diligence. We vetted her so that and if by chance she fell within a reasonable price range where we saw the revalue there we were going to be in play so been really lucky in situations like these phillies in particular with big-time pedigrees took the bill physically and if they happen to fall through the cracks to a certain degree and offer value. That I believe could be important to a partnership. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA raise their hand and try to bring her into the stable and dots. What happened OP and Three fifty is a lot of money but at the time I felt as though you know her ovaries provided us with food fallback position. Yeah there's a lot of inherently value there and. We were fortunate enough to have a runner hands. You Know Sky's the limit and we sent it down the stonestreet harm in Brennan. Tutors him right off the bat. It's because we put aside on about in WHO's not one to really POW courses especially especially at an early stage in their development. He had her piped right away. You knew she was precocious. He thought there was a lot of talent there from day one and he treated lever. Like it You would have thought that she would perhaps have been a little later. Developing Union was spot on louder develop at her own pace and and she just just took everybody Every step of the way and she got the Gran got into this program flawlessly and from there was simply masterful and getting every target that we set out for her and of course got a hospital horse to do it brand blue job. Manny that his and We were the benefactors of the incredible experience on traffic winning a championship roofs. She she debuted at Saratoga. I remember I remember that race and then came back in that off the turf middle of the the middle of the meat and the the one the debut in July was before I you know that up blind without McCain and so it was it was it was when I was still able to right at the beginning of was able to come the first ten days and then the off the turf and and she actually she ran very well in that in that group and a beat beat Al Goals Good Shabbat and and you know that win by open legs but there was never a question that she was going back to the grass. It seems well I wouldn't say there was never a question but it was certainly our preference You had to bring her debut when she was eleven twelve to one on the occasion and was pretty much unsaddled and came flying only about knack I don't gamble often. But we liked her that day. The road that was a tough one but at least she's allocated what we had believed along with that she was supremely talented Philly and she did dr one five and a half and then we tried to start your out on the graph And she's actually in the eighties the week prior to her breaking remain and then she came back again entered on the grass. It was rained off. We ran herself on the dirt She took care of business. We weren't afraid of running on dirt Pat Day because she had trained very well on dirt long. But we've seen some things on the grass that told us that she could be extraordinary. Murray so she broke her maiden by open laying seven eighths on the dirt. Just you know displaying her versatility on that day. She's named the Kenyan rising star without performance on the dirt But from there we really were working backwards from readers. Talk Future Stars Friday and injure Cordeiro who is many Franco's agent had seen sharing reason the grass at Saratoga. He called hold me as she was galloping out one day you said I haven't seen Philly do something he'll got on this church in about ten verse. Minimum and coming from angel was gossip to me and I made it very clear that swing need to hone in on the turf so remember it was a matter of wanting to have proper spacing between her maiden win and her next race and then from that race should all do well to the Breeders Cup and we really wanted to try to limit her travel. Get her to race but at the same time have a strong enough race injure her that nobody. I have to go to the breeders. Cup Selection Committee Do enough to be able to qualify for Breeders Cup and that racers Lima She was solid winner on that day. she ran much faster than the colts division of the same race on the same card and the nerve from that point. Where a did she do enough to qualify and be? Can we just keep her healthy for six weeks close We knew we had alerted God. If we were able to do that going in the future starts Friday and thankfully always doubt again. I can't. Dan came off about the job. That Graham and his staff did with this philly having were so crimes for Friday's performance form and everything had to go flawlessly in it did and there's no margin for these races and Between the preparation Graham did with her. And and you manage ride. That was an incredibly credibly poised Performance that for its first breeders. Cup Win Deserves an incredible amount of credit and he had a great weekend to overall man he did and with the limited opportunities and certainly moving forward and you talk about how everything it has to go right. I mean if they run this race a bunch of times Albania as well as Daiei the the two two of the you know the euro zero players in here. They absolutely found trouble and found traffic. And they would if you mix and match the those two and also with todd with sweet millennia as well if you mix these four up and probably probably Chad's Affiliate selflessly who ran kind of even but the the two euros in particular had had trips that kind of may have may have found sharing having to deal with them in the late stages and so matty placing her where he did was really invaluable and pushing the button button when he did to take over it was just it was just perfect and you talk about that That opening career opener and Bettinger here that day well. I'm I know your listener. So you know that we were shoving her down everybody's throat all week good. I hope I hope you guys and all your listeners. Big For countless stories. Considering how many people I know did make scores. I can't believe she paid thirteen. Eighteen one will take it and I'm glad for everybody else well. Well that's the beauty of the the fourteenth Horsfield. Just there's too many good ones is in here and you know frankly look at the the only horse that was in single digits that did not really impact the race. Was John Kimmel's. I talked to John in fact Sunday morning and the race was over for her early when she got shuffled back to far and Rosario really there was nothing to do but she was really the only one the four horses after sharing little under four to one for a little under five to one sweet millennia. Five to one for a and fifteen to two on selflessly so the public was right. Second through more or less second through fifth and sharing for does that Founder and well done spice down as mentioned in the US yesterday. I brought up with todd. How you know not only was it? A AH magical day for him and you've had a long association yourself with the Todd Pletcher but you looked around the results Aaron and and Todd the shadow the long shadow of todd was all over the Place Palace. Malice the sire of structure and We're we were actually the underbidder on when my show. I'll ask though that was a little frustrating having seen that happen but happy the Horse doing and obviously we've got connections palace malice which was phenomenal to see but with regard. Yep Yeah Todd's fingerprint. the industry at large and having it highlighted on Breeders Cup weekend. It's just you can't say enough about what he does on the race track in The factory of stallions of he produces urine. You're out is second on on on anybody in the game has come even close to having that type of impact in the breeding shed. There was talk in the aftermath about Some some lofty goals says talk about talk about a gram. They'll be with US tomorrow. Graham when I reached out to him. Ah couldn't connect on Monday so then when I reached out to him for today he said Well I'M IN VEGAS and we're heading Vegas Graham Graham Ocean Vegas One night only and made me laugh because the picture of Graham in Vegas is to kind of draws a smile its kinda humorous for some reason I just. I can't see something tells me that he's more of a high end restaurant Kinda guy rather than the seaside vegas but I think it's good. You know these trainers they work twenty four hours a day seven days a week. Three hundred sixty five days a year. I encourage my guys. You know you've got to find little moments to be able to decompress and get away from it all and recharge your batteries and You know certainly deserving of that so I was glad to see that he and his wife. NATO were getting away for a few days and It's important you know it's a lot of people that don't a chance to see behind the scenes. Don't really understand understand and it's impossible to appreciate what these guys do but the grand motions the todd pletcher the world around the clock and the result. Don't speak to that but you've got to take time to recharge your batteries when we can. So I'm all for granted in Vegas and enjoy himself. uh-huh pretty fun talk about what he mentioned as a potential goal next year. And how serious is that going to be looked at. You know it would be a dream to be able to take a legitimate philly over to royal stop. Obviously the coronation would be the primary target target is to go that route Graham has brute from UK course and he's taken a few runners over there With with pretty decent success from assault small sample. So you've had the experience which I think is huge. He knows what it takes to get. Get a horse over there and proper form type of course that could potentially be effective over there So you know. It's it's an enterprise in Bisciste goal for us to be sleeping Royal Scot eight nine months from now But we do. You have a lot of conviction that this is an extraordinary philly. She I this position in the constitution to be able to do it. And if she continues to trade on from to interview of three year old year. It's certainly something that we've got to keep in mind That said you know as you mentioned earlier on. Ah There's not a whole lot. It's discouraging us from thinking jerk possibly as well. So you know with the Kentucky Oaks on the radar. I don't think there's any distance from philly. It's just the moderate weather you know she shows the same type of brilliance on the dirt as she has a turf But we'd be foolish to shut the door on down as well. I was fortunate enough to be associated with team valor as Ah Companies Vice. President during animal development and Graham of course is instrumental in bringing him along and his three-year-old year and he was predominantly turpin synthetic course until The week before the Derby when he took and test drive remnant oval at Churchill downs. You need the twin spires Donald and he worked well and asked to justify it felt that the Kentucky Derby and everybody knows how that ended up so Grandma and Grandpa the direct comparison could be able to make from animal kingdom hopefully sharing so that certainly is on the togas well. These are all lofty ambitions with affiliate certainly warranted us. Being able to think in such a a big way very nice. Well wait and watch watch. Meanwhile and it's funny because the chat also struck door said immediately that is this is a horse that we absolutely absolutely. We'll get the share of dirt tries so sharing and we'll be memorable for all kinds of reasons and we'll look forward and Maryland bred as well and a nice a nice feather for the Maryland bred program and Aaron. Let's talk about Sunday shift. Gears and and Mike Trump better with independence hall in the Nashua. This was a serious group of two year olds. That wasn't getting a lot. What a notice just because of what was happening here and what what for those that haven't seen it? It's the most impressive performance by a two year old old. Maybe anywhere and I I mean people were just stunned and trump better in his what I talked to him about Sunday night right. I typically typically sort of neutral response from Mike when he said Yeah. He's really he's been nice so far. One Oh one buyer of destroying the Nashua and the horses that are gonNA come out of that race. I'm going to go do things talk about getting involved buying in to the source after the first start It's a very interesting story. Yeah so as you know Steve Were constantly on the lookout for what we call blue. Stack prospects horses that have shown some potential on the race track that we I believe could go to levels that Could quit our partners. Not just in the product but in the winter circle in major races across the country tree and we try to identify this talent at a very young stage. Horses career so actually independence hall Ran At Parkson. Seven furlongs maiden special weight about fifteen minutes prior to sharing winning Salima And I was paying attention to the races that day. It was Pennsylvania Derby their hearts and the source caught. My eye was very impressive. Zip winning his debut he won by about four and change. When seven eighths Rosaria? was there that day. He wrote him. tucked in behind a wall of horses. I found the team at the elbow. Turn and powered away and very impressive. Fashion never really being asked to do so and immediately got on the Horn and tried to find my way to have the source might be able to be acquired and and my trump better had just developed a relationship with Mike on another philly that we acquired within the barn. So that was a really important part of the deal and Got On the phone with Mr Roddy. The original owner of the cold and we really seem to have a nice synergy Between the two of US and literally within twenty four hours of the worst crossing the wire we had a we had a deal signed on the dotted line for quick clips to acquire a controlling interest in the cold so That part of it was silky smooth. It was in those things. Have a half to come together. Well In order for a healthy partnership to be formed and we were lucky enough to have the varieties welcomes and and you know when when situation for them where they could save some money and risk off the table and still retained an interest in the coal and shortly thereafter after the fellas over at twin creeks in rainy goodlatte who had been interested in pursuing independence hall as well I came to me that they were all wanting to get involved with the horse. They own constitution still own equity in constitution the sound from the world. We've partnered with them in the past and tastic Down their throat before So it all came together really beautifully. Quite frankly seems I was wanting to much more conservative pile with independence hall. He was entered the Thursday Friday Nashua right in an allowance rates go into one intern mile at Laurel and I was beside myself a maintenance. You popped up racing cancel And yeah the the the mysterious waterman break on the apron by the finish line and I was beside myself. I know you know in situations situations and you've got to watch this. Everything needs to go absolutely perfect. And I thought we were get knocked off course here in conservative spots that we picked which looked picture-perfect at the time to keep him on. A you know a conservative trajectory but an upward trajectory We were knocked off. Course you know jewelry rotem in his debut had committed to go riding at Laurel on a Thursday. He went on the Wednesday night he was saying on the hotel. Poor guy got got washed out literally and He was committed to ride in California on Sunday so he could surround him in the Nashville so we are fortunate to drive the Serbs Services Jose Ortiz. I really didn't want to run them in such a salty race to be honest with you but we had no option option It was a really tough and beep rendition Nashville toughest field. I've seen in years that race and You know we knew we were bringing a loaded gun fight but we just didn't know seasoning wines and you know the the level of competition is up against and what to expect and needless to say the performance she delivered with simply cloth charts. It was Beyond what what we could ever anticipate We knew we had a very good call on our hands going into it. But for him to display that type of brilliance. This was It was it was a blessing and a curse because we wanted to see him. Show the pilot that we thought he had The we didn't know that But he was just gonNA run off the screen the way he did and now that is exciting is that is it makes it a little bit more. Tricky to try to plot out of course moving forward we wouldn't trade this position for anything in the world. That's for sure. Well I can. We'll talk to Mike later in the week but I think back to I think back to a performance of sweet northern. Say that this early early on my vomit in the show and I call them and it was after it might have been after the miracle would and Dan I say bike. You WanNa come on the on the show like to talk to you about Your Derby Horse. He said I don't know if I've got a derby or I think he got a derby horse. Well this this this is not this. One is a little different because this everybody saw this sweet northern state was it at the beginning wasn't as evident immediately but very exciting and people were just just a god. I mean you must have heard from. You must have heard from all all kinds of people. Yeah it was wild. I mean it was certainly the icing on the cake to a dream weekend it. It's funny I was leaving Santa Anita on Sunday may morning Old College Buddy. That I played soccer with had a son playing soccer tournament in Irvine so I wanted to stop on my way back down to get a more and catch up with my buddy and his san play a little soccer and so did that and immediately jim in data there and was done at both see tavern mini-satellite place between center need in Del Mar.. I wanted to watch it on a big screen screen on my phone and I sort of found myself a quiet corner and it was a pretty decent crowd and you know see tavern. That day was it was NFL football and races and all sorts of stuff and they actually had the audio on an entire race book there for the Mashghara and people people were just floor. They believe what they were seeing And needless to say I was excited and strong to say quite a corn on airport Drew Little attention myself and Yeah it was it was wild. The phone started ringing off the hook and mouse course You know the business side of it comes into play and Of course we're honored and flattered to be receiving quite a bit of interest in from some major players the game on the inside of it and Just thrilled for partners to be in this position and to have a Colt with this type of raw ability is this is what we live for and for anybody. That's in the game I hope that At some point in their career they could experience so even attraction of what are guys match experience sharing on Friday and to be associated with the promise. Cold that touch wood has derby aspiration reaching all. Well he's a constitution and of course among the first crop sires constitution has been You know one of the real one of the real talking stallions thus far this this was just remarkable out of a Cape Town mayor to which these Asian Asian on see all that often and bred by Woodford and just an exciting situation. How how much conversation if you had since Sunday with Mike about in about targets in about timing and and how did he come out of it? Well the good part about it is the most important thing is touch what he's come out of it really. Well he's back at Fair Hill Which is ironic? Because sharing on her way there right now said to have really early like her in a court like posting but fair right now is pretty exciting stuff Especially for their local community which is fantastic Frankly Steve We wanted to let the dust settle all day. Yesterday I was traveling. But yes Randy in Steve. Ah Twin Creek. Sorry here in Kentucky. I just landed late last night. So we're GONNA IDLE UP DAY AND LOOT MR variety. Of course Mike Game on discussions and and map out a planet attack year You know we're still six months away. which is an eternity? I mean if it was six hours away would feel like an eternity as far as back. Derby is concerned But you gotTa Start Planning and work your way backwards from the first Saturday in May so We're just GONNA take a methodical out of coach all try to have a meeting of the minds Thankfully had experience in this round before. So we're GONNA try to grasp on the summer. Remember that needs to learn from our mistakes in the past and and hopefully get it right this time but We feel as though we've got the horse capable taking us to the promised land and now we just need some stared at this way and not mess up way. Well Independence Hall Sunday Sharing Friday. And how about coming up stunting atwood duct In a maiden later later this week what What can you tell us about something before I ask you about a few other? A few weather eclipse thoroughbred partner horses. Yeah here you go another todd. pletcher starring in Daredevil You know it's just unbelievable you no. You didn't even give tyrod credit for Constitution the Syrup Independence Hall but Daredevil is by more than ready shocker. Another other todd pletcher volume Who you know we? We like with her in full of sales throughout the yearling and two year. Old Auction We got our hands on. This phillies really elegant. Well put together Philly That had trained opera quite well at Saratoga and had an untimely timely illness just before she was ready to make a debut there We regrouped healthy She shown talent here and there ear to suggest that she's got a little bit of something But two year olds will typically do. She's she's throwing a few subpar just as his policy of okay performances in the morning She's got some turf pedigree so we're hoping that She's able to really occur. Occur game on the grass She's a Philly. That wouldn't surprise us if she went out there and ran forwardly in her. First Start But two so that we're walking over there with Supreme Confidence. I'd be lying to you. I think we're just looking for a nice outing. She's John Really widening three quarters on the gas which is a little little bit of an obstacle and and I don't love first-time starters to not have something holding them in in the starting gate outside of them because they tend to gear out When the case but She's a lovely filly and we're looking forward to getting her started on Friday for sure you know. If you'RE GONNA say lovely filly you have to pay royalties to Christoph Clermont. Because he's got he's got a patent on the lovely filly so he's the only person allowed to say lovely. Well they don't take it back. I love it she. She's out of divine gift of divide Park Mark. Mayor who actually has a sister of Lawan who Was a nice a nice midwest take types like placed sprinter and a was a half sister of her by badges silver. And I got to ask you about a couple of big names and I see that Moretti is getting close to where return. He's working down at Palm beach downs or ready and under the watchful eye of the alligator in the pond. Nine hundred thousand dollar Moretti That you know. Obviously he's got talent and talk about the winter upcoming and what the hopes. I'm sorry I had to get him back. Rolling Yeah Moretti's impeccably bred son of Medaglia Oro out of brick level which makes him a half brother other to battle of midway and he started his career last year and find fascinating was second I two now now and then we stretch them out two mile and an eighth act with Ogden he won impressively. He's the favourite than withers and unfortunately came up with an injury out of that race sideline and since and and we knew that he wasn't going to make the classics about time. So we really took a conservative approach and just backed off entirely The folks Peyton. They've done a really good job with him in symptom onto todd at palm. Beach downs He's a horse that we always thought would be a late bloomer. We had hoped to have him ready for the classics. It just wasn't meant to be and now the data's passed. We've really taken a slow approach. He's on the verge of being ready to run. We're really encouraged because He was never a flashy workhorse leading up to debut and early part of his Michelle Campaign But he is showing a lot more in his breezes on the comeback trail right now You know Monica police or partner partner on the cold and and now he's just about race ready. Todd is out of Kentucky. We had planned to huddle up in the next couple of days as well and see what's on the horizon for him But there's an exciting cold in recent history is told us later. Developers don't hit the classics and avoid that Act About rugged campaign can be big time handicap horses form beyond. And we're hoping Mickey fits that profile Nice And of course. He broke his maiden late in his two year old year. And then tried the withers and You know came out of that with the issue and taking the majority forty of the year so nice to have this this type everybody. Everybody thinks the three year olds with talent Have already flashed it and created their. You know their resumes and some being shipped off for stallion duty but horse like this can get you can really become a lot of fun can be a cold. Affront that kind of that kind of type. That goes on for Nice exploits. There were plenty of other two year olds going to start to run out of time Erin but pipes hypes and you wanted to get bulletproof. One in to the Juvie turf sprint settled for the The Golden State Race Iran escapade in. Ken Maddy Ecorse Gray. Magicians had really a a nice productive. YEAR IC- Farmington road in recent weeks and they're paved. There's a lot of good you know really. It's been a great year and not to say that the season's over because we still have got two months of racing but it's been a special year for Rick Lips no doubt about it and for testament to our partners to support us you know with their hard earned dollars weakening. We got month in a month out every year it's it's humbling. And flattering to have a group of people who really do trust US got to be able to take them more than WANNA be week. We certainly swing a myth a lot more than we strike. But we hope that when we do strike it makes up for the most is provide their partners with the experience that they most definitely deserves. So we appreciate it We consider this the ultimate. What have you done for me lately? Business and every year we go into it thinking building year. And how are we going to replenish the quality. Stock that the cycle through the program but I believe that that's what separates income. The boys is being able to come up with these courses. You earn your out. Not certainly what we strive to do you and what our partners deserve so it keeps US hungry and we're hundred over right now. That's for sure Erin Wellman. Everybody eclipse thoroughbred partners eclipse. TB PARTNERS DOT com if you want to get involved at a high level. And there's all all different levels levels too because They there in active active horses The way things evolved with the vying on independence. All young young horses Two year old in training sale purchases yearling purchases and the development candidates and so much more next couple of days of course at the sales. And if you see Aaron talk to them congratulate them and Ask Him about getting involved at eclipse Aaron. So happy for you and thank you. Thank you Steve. And I can never underestimate. How important is what you do? Keep doing what you're Gillan industry need. We appreciate it a most importantly you just get well do can I'd Aaron Wellman everybody. Unbelievable sharing and independence hall that. That's enough for that's enough for any any ownership. And he buddy that operates in the game said I have Have them perform the way they did within forty eight hours. It's pretty amazing. Let's take a break top of the hour and the surly is GonNa join US Nacho courageous CBS. Brad Cox. John White and Vincent Gregory GonNA come sit down here as well. We're going to catch up tomorrow. Talking about Graham Ocean Graham will be home and available tomorrow for a conversation. We'll have him then. And who else Johnny Johnny traveled back yesterday. So we'll get to johnny tomorrow. Don't get his Postscript Paul Matisse we've gotTa do our gambling sifting and what went right right. What went wrong pete for an? It's Al Tomorrow to beat I didn't see Pete actually now that I think about it Friday and Saturday I pretty much just go back back and forth from the paddock to the track apron. 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NBA Weekly Wrap-Up

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NBA Weekly Wrap-Up

"This these Scallon pels podcast with NBA champion. Brian scelo brainy. Former NBA general manager and Executive Ryan mcdonagh. Ryan mcdonagh and Brian Skela brainy back with you on Scallon Pals? As a reminder, you can follow us on twitter at Scallon Pals you can subscribe rate and review our show on Itunes spotify, or wherever you find your favorite podcasts, and we will have live shows on radio DOT COM starting next Monday leading up to the NBA's official return to play, which is a week from tonight in Orlando Again Ryan mcdonagh here with you bringing back in Brian Skela brainy and scale one of the intriguing things I've seen over the last couple of days relates to the Indiana Pacers They've had some bad news with. With the modest bonus he's had plantar fasciitis is an issue with his foot he said six days, he hasn't touched a ball. And there's no timetable the return, so that's bad news for the Pacers and hopefully bonuses back because he's obviously a key part of what they're doing. Especially when the playoffs start on the good news in Indiana, is today currently victor? Oladipo is playing against the Portland Trailblazers and all accounts are that he will be available, and we'll play when the real game starting next week. Yeah, I'm glad because I. Think they have a real chance. If everyone can get healthy of having. That four or five matchup Zimmer says Miami. I'm really. Interested in watching both those teams play so a lot of story. It would be great to see Victor Oladipo go against Jimmy Butler. And then there's obviously the the rumors that Oh the depot to Miami sometime in the future, so obvious is just brings you know more light to what's going on down there so I'm really hoping that this thing happens. In, some other injury, new scalp for a team on the Western Conference playoff bubble the Memphis Grizzlies said over the past few days that justice winslow the talented wing. They got in the trade with Miami at the trade deadline. He will not play scale that he'll be out for the remainder of the season. Winslow fell. He had a hip. Injury is expected to make a full recovery, but it seems like that is a blow to Memphis. Gal. As far as their playoff hopes, and then in particular. If they do get the advancing in the playoffs, winslow is now for Memphis with a team. That's already been on the wing. Yeah! I mean I think Memphis. Is GonNa make debt that? Playing game, but it's not going to be easy. You got you got Portland and new. Orleans charging down on them, but I that I initially thought that was going to be the most must watch tv of this whole thing. After watching yesterday, maybe I'm overreacting a little bit I. Actually think all these guys are going to be playing an and an and sort of gearing up to get themselves ready to play in the playoffs, so I'm not just at a race for the eighth spot in the West, but I'm also just in general I think seeing how guys are playing an and. And I I there will probably be a little bit of carryover from how some guys playing these eight games, and how they play in the playoffs breaking news here on Scallon Pals Brian scallop Breen is excited about all the teams in Orlando minus the Brooklyn Nets and the Washington Wizards very excited about twenty of the twenty two teams. That does not apply to those. Scale in the Western Conference staying in the West now moving from Memphis to a team further down the playoff bubble, the Phoenix Suns scale. They've been a team that look I. I still if you're in Arizona I was the former GM with sons. They've been relatively secretive as have a lot of teams about Kobe, news and information. We found out over the last couple of days. That Ricky. Ricky Rubio tested positive for covid nineteen. He did arrive in Orlando earlier this week. And he is now practicing with the team, but scale their backup center, who had a phenomenal year guy got off to an incredible start to the year that you watch closely. The past couple of years in Boston is Aron Baynes seems like Baines is having a really hard time trying to shake corona virus gallon. Gallon he is still not arrived to join the sons in Orlando Yeah. Did you hear that? Alex Len tested positive for the Corona virus for twenty two straight days, which basically means that? If you do get it, you gotta get it. You GotTa I. Beat It, and then you got to get out of your system. So that's I I was really surprised when I heard that so obviously. Obviously if Baines is doing the same thing I and that's and that's odd because Baynes works out like five times a day I I would assume that the coronavirus will be run from them if the corona virus saw Aron Baynes and a big beard, and is like I i. don't think he has a man bun anymore. The little ponytail on top think run viruses keeping moving for whatever reason. He stopped by your. House and he's and he's really. pitched a tent. That's a bad idea. If I were the coronavirus, I would want no part of Steven Adams or Aaron Miss Those two guys in the NBA I would screw with scale. That's the fascinating thing about this disease people a lot smarter than you and I in the medical community don't seem to understand it. Have a good reason and I'll just pick three player scale Derek Jones Junior. The wing for the Miami Heat said he was surprised with the positive test that he felt zero symptoms. None at all Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets Star Guard. Guard was interviewed this morning. He said look. I had a little bit of a stuffy nose, but really that was it. I feel fine and then scale. Here's what Aron Baynes. Said about the corona virus testing positive for covid nineteen, he said quote, and actually put me on my, but for a good week. I slept for four days straight on scouts. Amazing how this virus impacts other people differently especially when it comes to Baynes who's one of the toughest strongest guys in the entire NBA yeah I'm a little bit shocked by that, but that's. there's been different reports out about blood types in all kinds of different things, and and how it affects different people so. We'll see. We'll see in the long term of this and what this whole thing is in means in guys who test positive. Are they good or they I? Can you get it later? On can get multiple times so lot of question marks out. There is far not necessarily the bubble, which seems to have this thing under control, but talking next season and so forth. I agree with that scale and look I'm not with the sons. Anymore was GM there for five years, but I think in that front office and ownership and the coaching staff at some point. If baines doesn't shake the corona virus and tests negative, a couple times allowed to travel to Orlando soon some I think you have to think about pulling the plug in just keeping him in Phoenix. Given the team six game deficit to the eight spot given that they would have to leap over fourteen just to get to ninth and try to trigger a plan scenario against the Memphis Grizzlies another Guy Scott when I was with the Phoenix Sons Eric. Eric, bledsoe he arrived in Orlando. Earlier. This week is able was delayed due to covid nineteen I'll have to quarantine for a few days, but scale. The bucks started Dante even Kenzo our friend. Pat Cannot and a friend of this show is is still not arrived in Orlando but certainly good news for the box that their starting point guard has arrived in Orlando and will now start the quarantine protocol keeping in mind that the bucks really don't have a lot to play for at least for the next month. No and the first round because we already mentioned their first round opponent, so yeah, the bucks are really good position right now. This'll be good for David Chen Zones I I think it for him to he always like I watch him play like a wildcard, just trying to get downhill and attack. It'd be interesting for him to have to play a little bit of point guard and run a team and I think that can really help his game. Yeah and some tough news here scale. Hopefully you'll be able to get through the rest of the show after this, but for our listeners in Portland scowls favorite player Hassan whiteside has a slightly strained Achilles. He won't play in today's scrimmage against the Pacers is not believed to be serious scale. Hopefully are able to do the rest of the show. You've been that news with white sox injuries though on Portland I like them now even more than I did two seconds ago. rapid fire here to to close out the show again Ryan mcdonagh Ryan scale rainy here with you on Scallon Powell's scale. That nothing I think really that newsworthy. Although I thought it was a little interesting this past week the Sean Strana from reported that the NBA has moved up the lottery. was scheduled to be on August. Twenty fifth now it is. Is On August twentieth so for our listeners in the lottery up especially the teams who did not make the Orlando bubble. That's something to look forward to, and they'll know about a month from now how their team does in the lottery scale. One of the things I wanted to get your take on as a guy who has been benched chairs as A. A player and assistant coach. What are you think of the timeout shares that the NBA has? They've installed timeout cheers during games. These are movable chairs that they can move on the court. Players and coaches can huddle but other players who aren't you know? Sitting must sit and stand away from the bench, and then as soon as the time was over the. The cheers get cleaned by team staff and removed in return to the bench area so I was really thinking about this all day today as I was working on my chicken coop, and I just don't understand why. The players have to sit five feet away from each other on enduring the game, and then the timeout shares. What what is the logic behind that? I I think it's obviously for safety. Reasons og now that being said as you mentioned, there were close to three hundred and fifty players tested in zero had covid nineteen in the point I think you're trying to make the the first thing that comes to mind for me is. Is that necessary given that when you're on the court and playing against the five guys on the other side, and you have four teammates on the floor with you with those other nine guys and the three officials sweating breathing heavily. Obviously, there's A. A lot of contact with players in the other team is that necessary or is a little bit overkill and I think there's an argument to be made that the league while trying to do the right thing, maybe try maybe doing a little too much in the scenario. Yeah, but it's great when you have limited funds and you could do stuff like that like it's great when you can have three people or five people or ten people set the chairs up and wipe them down and it's like when you have. That much extra money laying around, that's it so I think we all need to just stop and live in this bubble of to figure out a way where we can all just like have an environment where where everywhere we go. We everywhere you go, you're you're in a room for forty eight hours? You have the you have the food made for you. You just hang out you six feet away from everybody. It's such a great environment. While I'm going to start complaining now about the food and also the lack of fishing pole scalp when I get there I expect more fishing balls to be there. In case you and I want to go out in the lake and try to catch some fish. On a slightly more serious note, scale is interesting stat from ESPN stance information about James Harden of the prolific score for the Houston Rockets on scale here. Here's what really surprised me. James Harden who averages thirty four point four points. A game could go scoreless in the eight seating games. Instill averaged thirty points per game. This season harden will be the first player to score thirty or more points per game in three straight seasons since Michael Jordan did so in seven consecutive years nineteen, eighty, six to nineteen ninety-three. Scale you and I know that are dishonesty, a prolific prolific score one of the best in NBA history, but when you see stout like that especially considering that Michael, Jordan was last to do it. I think it hammered home. What a special season James! Harden his hat or what Special Ron hardness had over the last three years on the offensive end of the court. Yeah, I. Mean I'm really expecting him to be unbelievable during this time because you know how he is for him, he plays a lot of minutes he shoots. He carries the offensive load and plays eighty games eighty, one eighty two games in a season going for the MVP, so I'm. Totally, thinking that he's going to be one of the best three players down in Orlando, and that means he's going to be better than. Or Bron or Davis or is when he's down there I just expect him to be absolutely unbelievable during a during this particular stretch in this playoffs. It looks phenomenal, given the pictures and videos we've seen throughout the quarantine, and now the practices of started in Orlando, so I agree with this gal expect big things from harden as well. We've discussed the importance of the match up in the first round for the rockets as far as team success, but I think harden will continue as high scoring ways when they real game start next week in Orlando Skeleton in the Western Conference. That's not in the bubble, not in the playoff. Mix It all this year. The Minnesota, timberwolves are there was. Was An interesting article or a few articles. Now that have this week saying the timber wolves of for sale and scowl the thing that was most intriguing to me that I. Really WanNa get your. Take on because you know this guy very well. one of the guys who wants to get in the mix is probably the best, not probably is the best player in the history of the timber wolves franchise upscale. What do you think about Kevin Garnett? As a potential owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves I think it's great I wish. More black men from former players would become owners I think it's. It brings great perspective. It brings respect shows that players who are diligent about their money, and shows him a puts him in a in a really good light. If think about all the opportunities it opens up for other players in the future, so you know Jordan is unreal brand, but if kindergarten it can be a part owner of the Minnesota Timberwolves at your so many good things that can come that now. Kevin Garnett gets you in a corner, and you're one of these players I. It's not going to be like Mister, Nice, Guy, and all that stuff. Just letting you guys know I mean I. Don't know if the millennials are these new incoming Z.. Love Kevin Garnett. Now is as you know scale. He's A. He's a great guy. He looked away. Kevin Garnett played when he was with us in Boston. You was a teammate me in the front office. Really helps both of us individually, and our careers what scale he's one of the more intimidating people I've ever been around, not intentionally. It's not like he tries to intimidate you Jewish with his intensity and fire and passion. Is You know he brings it every single day? So I'd be interested to see how that? Comes out or comes through as an owner cagey seems like you serious about it like he's GonNa. Try to get a group together and scalise be fascinated to see how that works, and also I'd be fascinated to see if Glen Taylor. The current order timber wolves does give Cagey and his group a little bit of preferential treatment. If the money is close because of his ties to the franchise in the impact, he had as a player too I thought. Those guys were beefing Kgan Glenn. Taylor had beef so now. Everything is cool well. That's a good question. Question No I. I'm not sure it is. There were some hard feelings when Flip Saunders Past Kevin. Garnett felt slighted that He felt that Glenn. Taylor promised him some things about ownership of the franchise. That didn't come to fruition Kevin Garnett said on instagram over last couple of days quote putting the pass to the side focus on the now we've heard with timber wolves that there are other local groups in Minnesota interested. Including the Wolf's who on the Vikings. Although that's been contradicted by other reports. The aren't as interested There's another guy scown. Meyer Orbach. WHO's one of the minority owners for the timberwolves? He's supposed to be interested as well, but I'll be fascinated to see if Kevin, Garnett, who look he has a lot of money, but as you know scouts a different level when you're talking about owning a multi billion or a billion plus dollar NBA team to have that kind of cash, and I'll be fascinated to see if cagey is able to pull the group together and also Glenn Taylor to put aside their differences and make Kevin. Garnett part of that new ownership coming. Free Kevin I think he should be the owner of the. He got. He has to be a part of this. I think it'll be good that that organization. Has not been good. Historically speaking I always blamed it on the cold. It's freezing. They're like no one wants to go outside, but they gotta figure out a way to create some stability in his organization. Agreed and I think it should be Garner for no other reason given that his press conferences would be up excalibur. Around every day for years he's. He's hilarious guy at that intensity shines through one somewhat surprising article scholar, a couple articles that came out over the last couple of days were about the Chicago Bulls potentially keeping Jim Boylan a boylans under contract for a few more years. It's been reported that the Reinsdorf family that owns the Bulls likes him keeping in mind scale. There's a new front office in Chicago led. Led by our tourist, initiative and Mark Ever Xlii as you know scale having been around this league as long as you have as a player coach, and now as a broadcaster, usually when a new front office comes in, they want to make change and do their own thing. Especially, if the team has not been winning, but it seems like at least in the short term. The Bulls may hang on to Jim, Boyle. US through that why. Is it because he deserves a chance to be as it because they believe in him, is it because what's the point of making a coaching change right now? What's your best guess on this? This is more your alley than mine. I think there are a number of factors although I think the last one you made maybe is the most important are we just had on Charlotte Hornets head coach James Barreto here on Scallon Pals and scalise Virago, said look. We're kind of limited in terms of what we can do. We would love to play five on five right now, but we can't do that. earlier in the pandemic is you know there were real limitations wants to? League had the shut down amid March and then lifted the restrictions i. I think it was late. May or early June somewhere in there there were know one ball one basket, one coach for player things like that that has loosened up a little bit but I think if you're the front office in Chicago, you look at the situation and say okay well, you know if we hire a new staff first of all, we really haven't gotten to know. Jim, Boylan and his staff that way well to evaluate them up second of all hire new staff. It's going to cost a lot. Lot of money, so we're GONNA have to go to ownership and a time where NBA teams are struggling, I'm not that anybody feels bad for the Bulls or the Ryan store family, but as you know, scale revenues aren't coming in at the moment so to ask them as a front office, ask ownership to eat multiple seasons of a coach's contract, and then also pay all assistance and make a bunch of changes when the new group may not be able to do a whole lot in the short term with. With your players at least until there's a vaccine I do think that's a factor. Look I guess from a front office perspective. I understand our tourists, Karnishovas and his staff deciding go slow. Take their time, but I gets the caveat to that is I will be interested to see what happens. If hopefully when there is a vaccine soon and if the Bulls Front office changes their mind at that point, yeah, have you heard any news on the restart of Is it December January? February march is there. Are they going to wait and see about the vaccine or has what what's the momentum on that? I think they're going to wait on the vaccine. When we add James Borrego on a few moments ago, he mentioned some of the uncertainty that the eight teams who are not in the bubble or looking to the League for guidance and direction. I've heard that from the other seven teams as well outside of Charlotte I'm so I I think scall- some of it will have to do with the Games in Orlando. A some of it will have to do with a vaccine progress, and how likely that looks You know we we remember. When we reported a few weeks ago on the show that the the memo went out to teams. Teams that the season. NBA was planning on starting the season around December one and Michele. Robertson Chris Paul with the players. Association said well wait a minute. That's not what we have in mind. If the finals aren't GonNa end until mid October, free agency doesn't start till late. October that's a really condensed offseason so This isn't reporting scale. This is my yes, but it's a strong guests and I would bet money on it if I can. I would guess opening night next season for the twenty twenty twenty one season is on Christmas Day. Christmas Day that's that's a quick turnaround. Okay, all right. I can do that and and. That would push the season until like sort of maybe July or August once again, and then the idea is that there's a vaccine and then all of a sudden guys can come. There a poll that just came out recently that fans are not. Excited about going back to big arenas, forty eight percent of fans who regularly attend NBA Games are not comfortable entering into arena twenty thousand people so until that happens, I'm sure the NBA is thinking about the numbers and the League just wants to be as profitable as possibly can. Absolutely, because that impacts not only the owners, but the players as well, it's essentially fifty fifty revenue split, so if the money's not coming in if you're getting from ticket sales, which league would be at the moment due to the pandemic and your your sponsorship, your ad revenue is way down which it is the numbers don't work as well scale. The salary cap goes down and a lot about things happen for the owners and the players, so that's why I think there is mutual interest as far as pushing the start of next season back as far as possible and again it's just a guess, but my guess is. The season starts on Christmas time right around then. Then scalp going back to the Orlando bubble for one minute I was really. I think you. And I were both really impressed yesterday with the Audio and visual elements. In Orlando you know Lou Williams said he thought it was Kinda cool that. When somebody scored, they had their own graphics on the screen. In the clippers game. You heard the defensive chance when the Miami Heat were planned. Scalia, that heat fans, channing. Let's go heat and defense on the video board. What did you think at your first look of the audio and visual elements around the Games in Orlando for the first game? It was spectacular, but I'm expecting it to continue to improve get better. Dial and even more but man I thought they did a great job. You're you're trying something new for the first time and it's happening live. That's the great part about live sports. Is You never know what's going to happen? There's going to be some hiccups along the way, but for the first time to have those type of things I thought a NBA is doing a fantastic job and I can't wait. Just like the players are going to get better as the season goes along, the programming will get better as well and lending I didn't like is I. Didn't like I didn't like this to see the zoom of announcers up there and I'm an announcer people looking at me and want people watching the game. Yeah. I agree with that I think the broadcast you referring to was the Denver Nuggets broadcast at three or four reporters on the top of the screen, the entire time and look I think Scalia you can have that feed. You can cut to it, but I don't know why it needs to be on the screen the entire time I. completely agree with you on that sticking in in Orlando in the gym. A buddy healed. who was you know, scowl? The Sacramento Kings Shooting Guard is one of the best shooters in the league I hit, he said. said the arena is a quote shooters Jim He likes the dark backgrounds. It's an unusual setup. It's not the huge arena environment with twenty thousand fans. The players are used to playing in upscale. When you played with the New Jersey Nets Boston Celtics in Chicago Bulls. Did that impact you at all different backgrounds? Different backdrops depending on whether you're playing in a big or small arena, and how full the arena was that you were playing? No only thing that mattered is I only shot corner. Jump shot so every arena looks the same from the corners. The backdrop like you, you know. The United Center has a huge backdrop from the top of key, but from the corner, everything looks the same so me, being a a one dimensional, and I say one dimensional can only score from one point on the floor, and as was a corner. It really never affected me. Brian Scallop Greenie Ryan mcdonagh here with you on Scallon Pals and scall- few quick things as we round out the show Rashad homes is now out of quarantine. We had the free rashawn movement on this home is now out. He said he is currently aware of the border limits at Disney upscale. Here's what we're Sean Holmes said he the broke quarantine because he ordered some wings from a delivery service. He said when he was in his room and utilize the punching bag I think to. To to stay in shape and take out some of the frustration in scale the question all our listeners want to know is what did homes get in that delivery that caused them to stay in his week for another week and a half. I'm scale. rashawn homes reports Gal pals that rashawn homes got barbecue and lemon pepper mix wings. It seems like they're pretty good. So the question I have for you, Brian. SCALLOP brainy is. Is there a certain food that you would break quarantine for? No Way, Because you have no way that that's his. You can get whatever you want. Once you get through quarantine. There's no there's. The honest with you. There's nothing that would make you. WanNa do that for four more days or seven more days. There's nothing in this world that could get me out of that room to make me have to do that for that much longer you. Is there anything for you that you would do that? Remember when you're in the room. You get these sterilized meals like this ham sandwich in a bag. That was made four days ago. That had to get sprayed up with all kinds of things to kill all viruses. Food is not. Not Supposed to be spray to kill viruses, so you got to do that? That's the reason why he got the wings. The food was so nasty during that time, but once you're out of that man or steak and lobster shrimp the size. Your your arm like I i. don't understand why you would like I wouldn't break quarantine for nothing. I might even go on a water fast to be honest with you. I'm there for forty eight hours to string water water all day long like ten gallons of water in a day just. Something like something crazy like that. I wouldn't eat. I wouldn't eat a chrome. Scale with the prison protests mentality in quarantine in the Orlando bubble and a five star hotel scale. We talked about Sean Home's bad decision. speaking of another questionable decision. Your former teammate just been announced the last couple of hours at your former teammate former NBA guard, Nate Robinson and Youtube Star Jake Paul will be fighting on September twelfth as an Undercard to Mike Tyson Roy Jones Junior in California. I'm scale. What do you think? Think of your former teammate, nate, the great fighting. Some guy from Youtube named Jake Paul I think they rob good at everything he does, and I'm not just saying that I can. I it's not like me and nate or best friends or anything like that. I liked a lot, but I just think he's going to be really good at it. The guy's a freak. When when he was a freshman at Washington, he was the defensive. Rookie of the year for the PAC ten at the time, and he also played basketball and got drafted and he also. When he was with Chicago, and everyone thought he was washed, he led the team and he he outplay Darren Williams with the nets I. It's like I. Think Nate is just good at everything he tries to do it. He almost tried out. He tried out for the seahawks and and Pete Carroll Carolers, thinking other, there might be a legit chance. He makes my team so. I don't know who the other guy at all I don't know if he's a boxer I. Don't know anything about the other guy, but my money's on. Nate. That's for sure. Yet Jake Paul is a youtube star. He's done some fighting in the past. I I see pictures online. In boxing trunks and gloves, he looks pretty Jack Scale, but as you and I know Nate Robinson is a really strong, explosive, powerful, little dude, as well interested to see how that goes. I'm scaled to close out the show and I and I know listeners have been waiting an hour, plus now here with. The News. Everyone's been waiting for scowl. What is my twitter handle? What did Ryan mcdonagh choose as his twitter handle here on Scalp Pals and I cal before I get to the final decision. I will reveal the results of the votes Gal. We add I think thousands. Maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of people vote That's not factual, but. I think we had about one hundred zero people vote on down. Pals twitter so scale here are the results in order. Okay, the the leading. Of the four potential choices for my twitter handle the leading vote getter with almost forty percent of the vote was scall-. second was Ryan Mc diesel that got almost thirty two percent of the vote. Third was my personal favorite MC. D, the og that got seventeen percent of the vote and fourth was Mukti NBA with eleven point two percent of the vote. with that being said Brian Scalp Brainy, which one of those twitter handles, you think I should choose way. Let me just ask you this. Are you get to choose one of them? Or you got something completely different well to answer your question. I did some research on twitter and looked up group economics because I. Know that's your favorite and our guy. Andrea Dallas favorite, but unfortunately somebody beat me to it in already. Has that as their twitter handle? Can You answer my question? Is your twitter handle going to be one of those? Yes then you choose. De Nba I know you did correct. As much as you in our listeners in the voters on twitter push her scowls pal, and we appreciate the interest and attention. Starting next week I will be on twitter at MC D NBA. You can follow me here and follow as always. Brian Stella brainy at scale rainy in our show, you can follow us on twitter at Scallon Pals. Four Brian scallop brainy four James Borrego. mcdonagh join US next week on Scallon Powell's on radio DOT COM when we'll have live shows resuming on Monday at eleven. Am Eastern time.

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SaaStr 386: How to Win When There are 1000 Players in Your Market with Adam Blitzer, EVP & GM @ Salesforce Digital Marketing Cloud

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SaaStr 386: How to Win When There are 1000 Players in Your Market with Adam Blitzer, EVP & GM @ Salesforce Digital Marketing Cloud

"This is sastre founders favorite series where you can hear some of the best of the best from Sastre speakers. This is where the cloud. Del, for entrepreneurs to help your business scale faster through technology, reach out to start ups at Dell Dot Com for three it consultation from laptops and desktops to servers cloud. Dell technologies is there for you. Up Today how to win when there are thousand players in your market with Adam Blitzer, VP, and GM at salesforce digital marketing cloud. So when the world's zigzag this was a great tagline was really famous ad campaign from Levi's It was related to black jeans. I don't necessarily endorse black jeans. You know maybe you look like a cater waiter or something like that rally attendant but it was a really famous campaign and those words actually really tie back to the idea of asymmetries when everyone is doing one thing think about doing the opposite in a lot of cases, this can be a really powerful force in business. So we. Walk through a few different ways that we thought about a symmetry. The I was geography we were in Atlanta We weren't in the hotbed of startups, Atlanta thriving startup ecosystem today, but it certainly didn't back in two thousand seven. So we thought how do we use Atlanta to our advantage? What are the questions we used to always get from other founders? You know who? who were like intrigued by starting a B. TO B. Marketing Company in Atlanta? They'd always say like, have you hire anybody in Atlanta? And we were kind of scratching our heads and say you know this may come as a surprise to you but we have books in Atlanta and some of us can read them and they're not even actually all colored in yet which was a actually a joke from our former head of sales used to say that all the time it is an amazing amazing hotbed of talent you have. Georgia tech in the city you had emery in the city. You Have Dugan UNC nearby you know it's essentially the capital of the South and a great collection of talent assembles there every year as colleges graduating so if you can become one of the top employers, you're GONNA get your pick of people you're going to get extremely extremely talented people and they're going to be incredibly loyal. It was also insanely cheap from a commercial real estate standpoint. You know we because we were hiring because we were expanding during a recession we could basically be anywhere we wanted. So that was our office right almost right from the beginning it was kind of insane. It was the thirty fourth floor of a thirty four story office building in Atlanta, which today is actually salesforce tower Atlanta. We got that space on the top floor initially for four dollars a square foot. So that four dollars a square foot among four dollars a square foot and we grew into it over time. But because we were scrapping because we were able to take someone sub-lease that was sort of imploding at the time we were able to get it essentially for nothing. Took the company that was in there they had about one, hundred, fifty employees we had twenty we took all their furniture for a dollar. So it was like one hundred, twenty, Herman Miller Aron shares it was like one hundred, twenty steelcase desks. You know it was hundreds of thousands of dollars, worth of furniture, but expensive to get rid of. So if you can zig ZAG and be comfortable with sub leases, you could really kind of get this amazing space that looked out over the whole city and became a real weapon for recruiting. Are Timing also coincided with the rise of Web conferencing. This was when gotomeeting Webex, etc coming into their own and it became much more common to do inside sales the rise of the BDR an inside sales rep. so it meant we have junior sales reps in Atlanta selling as effectively as an outside sales rep used to do. Atlanta's started also to become a hotbed of to. At this time. So we had a good local base to sell into because we are targeting B. TO B. Companies in Atlanta also had a very mature email marketing landscape between male chimp in silver pop and many others. So that was good talent to draw upon. We also symmetric funding. So Marquette. Oh one of our competitors wound up raising over one hundred million dollars, Alec Y at least million dollars hub spot one, hundred, million dollars we spent the eight dollars we had on our domain name right and then another one, hundred, fifty dollars on that horrendous logo. But we were very asymmetric in terms of funding, and this will play out in terms of how all the exits worked in a bit but it just meant that we had constraints around the company we. had to run things very differently, and this is a little bit similar to you know almost how Toyota for example thought about the press when they were making the first mass market hybrid came up with the price point I want to deliver a hybrid for you know x amount of dollars and then work backwards. How do we fit into that? We built a business where we said you know, hey, we have certain constraints on the business we want to sell marketing automation for. A thousand dollars per month. How do we engineer the business to be able to do that? Knowing that we have no funding to fall back on? How do we get paid upfront? How do we inset reps to sell the right kind of deal? How do we supported? You know in a very friction less way we looked at our funding as a constraint we letter competitor spend most of their funding to build that market that was still very evangelical. We also thought about product incredibly asymmetrically this ties back to funding a little bit. When you have less funding, you know you're certainly going to have less firepower for engineering you're going to be able to you know not go nearly as far in the infinite backlog of things that you could possibly want to build, and so you can be really opinionated about product and actually say you know what I'm going to think about having less firepower not necessarily you know as disadvantage but I'm gonNA actually put a stake in the ground and say that's actually how we're going to build the product. We're GONNA let. Our. Competitors go all the way on the flexibility side of the spectrum. So if you think of the spectrum of ease of use and flexibility, you can really only be one or the other. You can be somewhere on the spectrum. You can't be in multiple places at once if you are ultimately flexible, you can't be super easy to use of your super easy to use. It can't cover every possible UK since just tends to be how products work. So by the time we'd started has already very focused on the enterprise. They were sort of hunting elephants. Right Marchetto was a little bit more to the left. But kind of still trying to chase the enterprise, and so we thought were never going to be able to meet the needs of that enterprise where kind of unfunded were doing things remotely enterprises in very different expectations. Let's go as far to the left as we can, and so let's put a stake in the ground say, Hey, we're going to be fast time to value we're going to be easy to use. We're GONNA have a simple user interface. We're GONNA have less functionality by design, right but that's going to be a feature for US rather than a bug and so it meant you know our our. D. could really be focused on the I. It could be focused on getting people up to speed quickly wizards out of the box templates. We could spend a lot more on support and services to get people up and running, and we can really build the whole company around this idea yeezy. Now later, sort of aftermarket played out a little bit. Another player hub spot would emerge. I purposely don't have them on the slide because in the time it sort of took to get to exit. We weren't really competing with that never happened later but hope spot would actually come even further to the left of us. In. So there continued to be sort of these asymmetric moves but we were all at different places on this spectrum and wound up actually carving out different parts of the market along this exact spectrum. We'll thought about corporate culture very asymmetrically because we didn't raise money, we control the company. Right we could do literally whatever we wanted. We run the company exactly. You know sort of how we saw fit. If we wanted to slow down, we could slow down if we wanted to speed up, we could speed up that sort of the beauty of things when you get to some scale and you are still bootstrap, you're still owned by the employees and so we had competitors that were just hard-charging. Being very, very strong sales cultures and could be a bit of a grind as they were on their IPO paths. And so we swung completely in the other direction we said, Hey, let's run the company with a simple rudder. Let's run the company by being the best place to work in the best place to be a customer and those are purposely in that order we thought if you're not the best place to work nothing else is gonNA matter rate if your employees are excited, every single day of their mission driven nothing else is GonNa Matters. That's the first rudder. Every time we make a decision is the best place to work. Then is this the best place to be a customer? We're not talking about growth profits anything else if you get those two things, right the business is going to work. We also thought about our core values and this is how we hired our people positive or they supportive are they theyself starting? You'RE GONNA have a ton of ups and downs. You want people trenches with you that are positive. They support it is ever willing to pitch in to do whatever they need. No one's ever GonNa say I'd love to help but that's not really my job and are they self starting the space basically didn't exist yet. We were all figuring it out. We were hiring people that had essentially no experience and very little experience because almost no one had experienced in marketing automation, we needed people who could dig in and figure it out. And it paid off for us. We Add essentially zero employee attrition throughout our journey very, very, very little attrition and you know what we're most proud of is we were able to become the best place to work in Atlanta for a category. The year we were acquired, we were able to be the best place to work in Atlanta the your after we were acquired speaking to the continuity of culture and then the Atlanta Office of salesforce, which really had that apart DNA a couple years after that was the best. Place to work in Atlanta for its category in terms of large companies Colin Powell has this great quote perpetual optimism is a force multiplier and that totally played out for us anyone we had would work five times as hard as normal because they were just having so much fun. They believe they would bend over backwards for the customer my co founder David would often say corporate culture is the only sustainable competitive advantage that's fully in the control the entrepreneur you can't control anything else. You can completely control your corporate culture. Now, I mentioned asymmetric funding this played out in very asymmetric exits. We went out to raise funding because we just we thought you were supposed to do that. So I think we were at I don't know maybe five, million air we had good product market fit up. We did it the hard way right? We hadn't raised any money. And we went to San Hill road. We talked to tons of VC's about raising money, and when we met with benchmark, we got to meet with Bill Gurley who is a legendary investor. And we're really surprised when he told us he said you guys would be crazy to raise money guy would raise money. If I real. We thought what. But what are you talking about and he said, do you go do the founder? Math. Said you know you guys your employees, your whole company today let's say you know someone buys you for thirty million dollars today would you be happy and willing? Yeah you have your checkbook. He said Okay let's say you go for another year and you sell the company for fifty million dollars. You guys still in the whole thing. Would you be happy were? Yeah you said okay. So you're sort of playing with house money right now you have three competitors that have raised a ton of money right? They're playing very different game than you are. There's something to be said for all this optionality there are a lot of companies who could do a thirty million dollar acquisition, a fifty million dollar acquisitions one hundred, million dollar acquisition. Then it starts to get really Harry and the number of possible acquirers starts to get really small. And he said now play this out watch when some of your competitors IPO and maybe IPO at close to a billion dollars in terms of their evaluation. But maybe they own ten percent of the company. You guys play this out you sell the company for hundred million dollars but you and the employees of the whole company. It's exactly the same outcome and you're probably have. A lot more fun along the way. It was pretty amazing that just a couple of years after that the market played out almost exactly as he called it now to put yourself back in time a little bit today's valuations are incredibly frothy but back in two thousand twelve, we were still kind of coming out in this great recession valuations were really depressed. So Ella quiet. And their valuation was less than four hundred, million dollars when the IPO. And, you can see you know the remaining co-founders ownership stake. We sold the company. Basically the month after that, we sold it for close to one hundred, million dollars our employees own the whole company Marquette would I be the next year and still a billion dollar valuation and you can see the CEO's stake in it, and then hub spot would ipo your after that still under a billion dollar valuation. Now, of course, after these companies IPO different things happened right eligible that ultimately go on to be acquired by. MARCHETTO would be a public company for a little bit be acquired by Vista equity hub spot. Would you phenomenally well as a public company and continued to execute? So things all change from here. We're just talking about that kind of initial liquidity often founders think about. At the time of exit whether it's an IPO or an acquisition. So four companies wound up doing well, they wound up doing well, very, very, very differently from one another in this face and it was very asymmetric. So everyone sort of ran their in game. We ran the most different game from these other three and it wound up playing out really really nicely for all of our employees. We made tons of mistakes along the way I have this quota at the bottom to show most mistakes are totally fine as long as they're not the last one right as long as they're not the fatal one, Sabi Elliot over who is a great great player in the early nineteen hundreds nieces the winner of the game is the one is the player who makes the next to last mistake. Now, the good thing about bootstrapping is you almost can't make a mistake that's big enough. To kill you you don't have enough money to throw at a really really bad mistake. But some of the mistakes we made you know early on, we have no contracts we have SAS model monthly billing monthly contracts month to month, which is just in retrospect pretty crazy, right? You do not give yourself a lot of time for an enterprise even though we are simple enterprise software to get someone up and running to make them successful to get them bought in to see the Roi. Month to do that before they can turn it off. So in retrospect contracts would have just given both US Ama- customer a little bit more time to ease into things. And obviously, you have much better results in terms of reducing attrition. No coherent up sell strategy poor pricing packaging basically are our middle edition sort of too good and there was no reason to move to higher editions. We didn't have a lot of science around our pricing and packaging a really powerful force for SAS startups or enterprise startups. When you can get to net negative churn you know when your net revenue retention is so high that the business is just growing as a result of it without even thinking about new bookings, we had to do everything with new bookings because we weren't moving customers through additions could have been much smarter at that. We are also much tuition in sales like we love or efficiency numbers in the reality is we should have been much less efficient in sales because this was an evangelical market where you could go out and grounded, you know people were throwing money at the space for quite a while and we we were leaving money on the table by being overly efficient in terms of sales in terms of number of reps making quota quota to. Low. ETC, and part of that relates the next one where we frankly I think everyone around us probably our competitors as well. You know everybody underestimated the size of the market I. Mean this market is still growing fast thirteen years later, right? Those four players that are in it just four players that I mentioned. They're all doing well, right. I think collectively, we all underestimated the size, the market this often happens in enterprise software. Some takeaways embrace your constraints. Your Business is going to have plenty of constraints we did whether geography or experience being rnd budget embrace it. Think about how you can flip that around don't eat force with force. Right? If someone's pushing poll rate, someone's pulling push think about you know how do you flip one of your disadvantages into saying this is where I'm GonNa put a stake in the ground and my competitor can't go there with me ratings just two different from what they're doing. Control what you can control, they're going to be a ton of things you can't control. You can't control the economy you can't control your timing is very rare that. Most founders have stories about how they started companies because they add some deep pain than they fell to. Now is the perfect time to solve it. Those stories are mostly bs raid the mostly for an interview reality for the most part is like you you want to start a company and you sort of figure out exactly what it becomes along the way you can't control your market timing you. Can't control the economy you can control what your competitor's do you control what happens within your four walls and certainly corporate culture is the biggest thing that you can have an influence on. In fact, that's probably your main job as a CEO CO founder and then optionality can be a beautiful thing. Right. If you if you keep your options open, there are a lot of different things you can do. Eventually, probably once you've raised a certain amount of money or certain number of times, you sort of walk yourself into a certain path. Obviously, you can still be incredibly successful. You just have you know sort of one possible outcome you know as opposed to keeping more options on the table. 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S4 E1 - Hardstyle Success with Eric Mazzocca

The TalkCast

35:25 min | 2 months ago

S4 E1 - Hardstyle Success with Eric Mazzocca

"You are listening to the talk cast podcast with Dj man it starts right here on your favorite podcast network. Was I by this is the J. J. man here on gas podcast and walk onto season four does this season for premiere of the gas podcasts and let me just say thanks for being here today as we kick it off with A. Interview that it's been going on for a while. Now, we've been planning try and plan this for a while and just friendly happened. Please help me welcome. Hard style produced Sir and I guess owner of Har- style Canada Mr, Aron. I can't say last name rise. Against say. Mazda. Thank you. You Walk. What's up man? just glad to be on the show today and Glad to talk with you. Yeah it's good to have you on. It's been a while since we actually taught while this this our first time actually talking and person. Yeah but I've watched your show a couple of times and I enjoy you do and I really really support you. It seems like you have a passion for it. Yeah I. I definitely do hits like one of my most passionate things I've ever done in my life I may music amplio games is like my passions. I just it's awesome. It's great to follow your heart man. Yeah, definitely. So I want to. I want to kick off with asking you questions. and heavy as questions could sense, you want to ask me questions to. Okay. so This one's going to be different. But before we start, I want to say a made sure to go give five stars and your favorite podcast network by Four D.. Talk Gas. And just give us five stars and made sure to follow US wherever you listen to podcasts at by searching for the gas or guards anchor, dot, FM Sash, the tar casts. All right. So Eric about yourself and when you do for a living. I am twenty six. I'm from the Vancouver area of British Columbia I worked for the government. We ship liquor all around the province and Yeah. Pretty much keep British Columbia drunk. On the side here I run hard sell candidate through all the social media portals. It's my passion so it's great to share that with you and Yeah. I'm just really invested in connecting Canada through this kind of music. Yeah, that's awesome. Now, I know it's is is harder style Admi Berry. Popular in Canada. So hard solid has grown in popularity especially within Canada? Which is why I've got behind this project. Full force recently is originated over in the Netherlands It's really popular over in Europe, but it has branched out world wide, which is why we have our own title and label here So it's given me the chance to pursue The music that I love and it is Edm a sub-genre the electric dance music bracket It ranges from Bell Forty beats per minute upwards to one hundred, seventy beats per minute. Wow. Yeah. That's like that is like some Mumbo jumbo to me an idea. All those numbers mean and all that. So. Be Beats per minute is like the the pace of the music essentially like I would have to play some for you all send you some more music. We will discuss that later. Okay. Cool. So Yeah. You me tell me about what were Harstad Canada is. Hard style Canada is a platform that we're using to promote a Canadian producers who are backing and creating the harder styles of dance music. The hardest styles dance music incorporates a hard dad's hard house. Hard style obviously and hardcore including French corps and UPTEMPO We don't like to discriminate if it's hard edged will promote that too. If you're Canadian I'm just GONNA say this right if you're Canadian and you are to sing or DJ within the harder styles of dance stick and you you and me have not connected yet please reach out to me. Will you everything in my power to below you up? That's what I believe in, and that's what you deserve. If the producers who are working hard out, there aren't getting enough spotlight. It is myself appointed tasks to bring them into the spotlight and expose what they're creating because I really do believe in artists here in Canada, I really do believe that we have a lot of individuals working hard You know you heard that title battering DJ before. It's it's no joke. It's a real thing especially with the quarantine these days there's a lot more than not and I'm very impressed and. I can firmly say I can firmly say that we have some challengers definitely here in Canada that rival rival the ones over in Europe Europe's like the head of the dragon you know everyone's trying to catch the attention from Europe. Yeah it seems. That I mean it seems like all the countries are trying to compete with each each other like. We get a lot of China stuff but like obviously we don't get that much like we all get any like UK stuff for like. You know we have. We usually get like. Some UK TV shows. And stuff any candidate shows being produced. In San or to us to air but like Are the like. My we get anything from like different types of both countries. were very heavily influenced like within Heart Saul Canada a lot of the producers are heavily influenced from the European producers. Are they take a lot from them? There's a lot of inspiration. There's a lot of guys we look up to a lot of big names out there that we support and just like to maybe network with even one day in the here. We go briefly about the past the part solid Canada it was originally created on two thousand twelve roughly by Tyler Bacon Tyler Bacon has given me permission to take this project on as I have the I have the time and definitely the passion to put behind this project but I gotta give credit to that man. Tyler there. Without him probably wouldn't exist and I do really appreciate the opportunity to take on this challenger. You also helped Like Very, very cool. Very, cool. Hedy am producer by name of technology and we know him very very very well. Well, I, know him very well, I've been France him for about like five years now. and. It's it's crazy that how time flies and he's gaining very popular now with. All his Nura re-mixes and. Him Gang well, not he says he's not signed, but I think he signed to wreck to that to that label he has can of. Heart there. Timmy's working really hard it actually, he just dropped bootleg today. So if you guys get the opportunity pop up onto soundcloud or youtube, just search up pixel AJI TEAC so. L.. O.. G. Y.. And he'll come right up. definitely is making leaps and bounds within his music and he's working really hard. I'm proud of what he's doing. He's from the Ottawa region Yeah. Keep going. How how do you feel about? Where do you see future of harsh sound Canada. I see a lot of unity their strength and unity. Here we're going to bring the country together through hard dance music like I said, I've networked myself across country here all the way from Vancouver Island to Prince Edward Island and up North Northwest Territories I. got to give a shoutout to add kovacs he's working hard look I. I hope I said that right atom forgive me if I didn't. But. He's working really hard up there and he is the most northern producer I know the farthest out east there on Prince Edward Island gotta give show to only chaos. Nolan read these producing French court and he's doing really well, and he's making leaps and bounds as well. Everyone's working hard on themselves right now and it's great to see these guys. So inspired, I, feel like we're all feeding off of each other. Yeah. I see a lot of I see some events coming definitely coming out in the future. Once all this Ronan settles down. We're going to organize a couple of events with our name on it. We're going to host a couple of deejays there for people come to you were going to do more live streams as well. Yeah. So we're GONNA get into the livestream even though the marcus heavily saturated, we have found our own little niche and a lot of our a lot of the guys who I've be networking with already have their own live streams which leads me to mention. I'd like to big up to a Y. after hours over Edmonson. They have been super consistent with their live streams for the weekend they put out a fully loaded beacon lists including Thursday's the they do Friday Saturday, and Sunday. Prominently on Sundays featuring hard dance. So I gotta give many respects that crew out there they were club for Ron Happen. They still are club owner club obviously, but they are doing the utmost to keep the livestream going full jam-packed. Scher. As awesome as big enough light live streaming. Have you ever heard a this producer by name of Nick Batali. Army. The Hernandez producer next nick. Tally. Nick Patel no I have not. What would you like to tell me about him? Well I I recently got in contact with him and he he's on this this radio APP called station head and He he he helps like adm producers and he's He's trying to he he does like remix his and stuff. He. A remix from me for my own for Jamie on. Radio. But. I think you should Khattak hand because I think he'd be really good with helping you the all the lies from me. So because he he has helped with. With one these producers of I, forgot his name but he has have tim with sewing up his live streaming stuff for his mixes and all that. Awesome. Thank you very much for that suggestion. Probably reach out to nick and have a quick chat with them there. I. Got His name down already here. US On. FACEBOOK and stuff. So. Okay perfect. That's an easy fun. I'd like to mention a couple also event companies and record labels. Here we've got hectic records they are they're working really hard. I'm really proud but Ray Vaudin and whole hectic team they're. Darwin from Francis Darwin is involved. We got addy Curson, three star and They are just pump out the jams, their vinyl like one hundred percent vinyl. It's all coming up on vinyl and that's to me. That's that's a really walk for solid way of preserving your music when it like is created on vinyl and I just can't wait to get my hands on some of their records and some of the stuff that's coming out this white vinyl that's coming out you're out clear. It's transparent like ice like it's beautiful some of the artwork as well that they're doing I know right There's interstates Vancouver. We. Got IC- your Brett Bannon Nick there. They had an event that I happen to go to before Kinda Ron was getting really bad. and. It just blew my mind like the stuff that they're doing locally for the community is just incredible and they have such a casino people and I respect him so much so good job guys and I'm looking forward to working with you guys in the future here. So big up by CB. There's be nasty beets Yeah. We got nick from being nasty beats. He's working hard as well over in Calgary I was a pleasure to be on his livestream I dj for the first time myself which was an incredible opportunity. It was an incredible rush and it was just a very grateful to be given that chance. So I'm looking forward to more chances in the future here possibly. Creating music and teaching more often features while myself. That's awesome. Yeah Nazis that's pretty cool. So I was. Thinking I questioned I just lost it. S Okay I got like a couple. If you'd like to mention I'd like to mention a couple. In here young. As, he I find like remember to win so. Being out of corona how are you dealing with the whole coronavirus thing? Personally myself. My. With it. I'm doing well like when it was really bad over in March and April. They're like, yeah, I was hesitant to go anywhere I stayed home a lot more often You know what the streets were quiet I kind of personally enjoyed it a had to slow down and and that that never happens man and you know what might never will again in our feature. So I'll I'll take that one for sure it was a nice little break right now things are picking up were moving into wave three four of British. Columbia's like plan ears following a doctor Bonnie, Henry's lead there Yeah she's just amazing women. All mentioned that briefly. But for the most part, just wear a mask and stay healthy and take care of your family. Yeah I I. I, have been staying inside I only go to church and that's about it like for less one eight months I've been. I've been doing that I. Mean I was GonNa go to. School, but apparently, they have closed schools down all that so. I can't I can't Doodo they're opening them back up but I do I do an online school now. which concepts? But I used to go. To help the special needs kids out volunteer and all that but now I Now I can't. So that's kind of that's kind of sucks. Gives us a huge bomber I'm sorry to hear that. But a good job on you for doing that and put your time into the community like that I respect that a lot could drop Jordan. Thank you I. I. Really Want to give back to the community as much as I can like, I thought about going to like children's hospitals in just visit with them, and I'm giving my Legos away to the hospitals you know satellite that but. Once, all this stuff goes away. Hopefully it does. That I will probably pursue. Doing, that I've had contact with the artists that deal like a hospital tour. And she invited me to go with her but Chee down she and she she didn't do it so. So we're GONNA, wait till the hall coronavirus goes away. Yeah I'm sure you'll get more opportunities here in the future but that that sounds like a really amazing opportunity for the for the children and whatnot. Definitely the people who are not feeling so hot can raise their spirits up and that's what it's all about. Yeah definitely. so. Where can people get in contact with you or staying in contact with you? We're on all the social media portals. You can check us out on Canada's snapchat and his cabinet on on instagram are saw Canada on facebook and Harstad candidate on twitter. The best way to get a hold of me is hard style Canada on facebook probably could also shoot me a personal message Eric Vocal on facebook I'm all about the music. It's always going to be all about the music and it always has been. I would like to mention the communities that are in. In Canada as well we have our own separate kind of cities that are distinguishing themselves and really beautiful ways and really firm is a. so there are big shadow to Hartsdale Vancouver. Big Shout out to Harstad. Calgary big at to Heart Dance Winnipeg at big show too hard style Toronto you guys are working hard on proud of your communities are proud of what you guys are. I hope to bring everyone together and the future. Yeah overall just GonNa Bring Canada together through hard dance cheer and Assault Boat, the music guys, and it always will be. and. Always has been you know. Music Music has been a big passion and airlines live a main. I never met anyone Dan like music and if I do meet someone told them that don't mind music I'll be like what the heck is wrong with you like. Go out listen to music. You might actually enjoy it like. I. Don't like music. They pretty much suck as a person why don't get me wrong mean. I mean I don't like jazz music but I. Like rap but I still love enjoy music. So are there any moment that music? That's awesome. Yeah. I agree with that just has year one specific might not be your favorite. You don't have to be eight or on it type deal music is music and a humans without music would just be weird man we would just be. We would just be something else when we were probably all these zombies parole. Light then dead zombies walking around. Yeah like so there's a there's a specific mix that actually Dj. Has made for herself Canada it's up on his mixed cloud if you guys want to check that out. The exclusive definitely price all Canada. There's Shane stand who's working hard over in like the Toronto Greater Toronto region I believe and Mikey is up in Edmonton. BIG UPS admits and crew for sure. They are something else their incredible up there. Crunch Berry. That's what's up an underground master Alya? Ben? Ma Venom Apologies Alya. Yeah. He's a in Vancouver there. He steph a leader He's a he's a big guy, the community and I look film a lot so. I I WANNA give a shout to you in your beautiful girlfriend Kayla because you guys are GonNa. Have a baby does that that's awesome. So congrats man. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yet Salas do at the end of November here Moore Sport Child is very exciting. There's a lot of support from family and friends. We just found ourselves a new two bedroom we here to rent. So they'll be home for the next little while until we are established ourselves more. I could possibly by place in the future where I could build my own studio. And that's always the goal, right? Yup Yup of course, got the name Vikto. It's going to be a girl going to be Kita. Kita may MAZZOCCA so. Guy. Say. was. Like. Oh It's being called everything. Don't worry as long as just say my name. That's all that matters. Here, again Mr M. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. So We we have reached light the halfway point. So I'm thinking about. Having. You asked me questions now. So let us look. Is that just switched the script you know. Let's do this. Let's do this. Are you ready? I am ready. Awesome. Awesome Jordan. Okay. First off. Thank you Jordan for having me on the talk fast here. Man Radio I if you guys get a chance A. Chance Right now yeah. This is your chance. Go onto facebook search up jayme man radio or the talk casts like those. More, there's no more you. Okay, we'll. Talk cast is all about all about Jordan Adler here. For. Ninety JJ. mant. Dj Man. Perfect. Thank you. So Joran I have a question here. Why did you WANNA shutdown shady man radio. Why? Why? Why I want to shutdown Janerio well, because well, there's multiple reasons why so briefly. The reasons is because. It was given to a point whereas way too much work for me because I was the only one doing all the work like I would create the banners and said they Rayo. Stream An. Updated website and do all this extra staff. And I just got point where I just can't do it anymore like I. Wasn't seeing. No. No Potential into it, our insane no improvement in it and it it was one of the hardest decision of my life of what all of this year and that that's not the only reason why I stopped. Why Down? Another reason why is because of like? I had a love hate and this year especially this year. I Guy. Accused of sending a nasty pick to someone died in do. And that to me while to clear my name is still really having crimen about that yet. So I'm like. I'm I took a break from the radio after that happened. But like. then then corona came and just. Matt's that Mesler, most of the year up. So now I. Just, I figured out that I'm better off. doing rare show to other people and I actually I actually like A. A A conflict with my DJ name being the same as demand radio and I wasn't feeling. On comparable and free with my DJ name which my my degen name is Dj man. So and the station was Jim Radio everyone kept calm me j. man radio like was. Maria like that that's not my name. My name is Dj Man Jerry is stationed name. And IPO kept doing that and I just know I changed my I changed my my Dj. Nancy. My name joy another by then. Then no binding know who the heck that was. So I had to go back to J J. Man. So, now, my my my name is DJ J. Man. and. So that's that's that's the reason why say there have been more to it than that amber like that's it. That's all the reasons why I stopped nine die shutdown than the station. Yeah Sometimes sometimes it's good to take a break from projects. You know what? I mean. It might be the and or what you consider to be the end for now. You definitely aren't ambitious guy and I. I could see you pursuing a lot more in the future here and I'm looking forward to man I enjoy the way you support others and other individuals artists. That love that love just goes around man look I see what you do and and I i WanNa help or just support as much as I can. That's. That's that's. That's the thing like I didn't get the support that I was gained when I first started like no one knew who I was my back when I started and it fell kind nice. Not Having people to know you. But then once I got now once I did all my biggest shows ever then I'd like Ooh I. Always Gain House gained known. They want all these like scandals came out of me. Then, I really got known then like all this stuff and now everyone knows me as Dj Jamie on so. I'm like, okay. This guy and just go with the flow and just do my own thing in. Now about the haters. Yeah. Exact. If you've got haters valujet your something right usually less you did something really wrong. Yeah. But for the most part, any publicity is good publicity and I run with that. They got to have people to point their fingers at you know what I mean. There's always those kinds of people out there and you're never gonNA escape that it's just depends on who you want circle yourself around with and it depends on how you let them get Atucha. You're just brushed that off and keep moving forward just like this next question what's next for you? WHAT'S NEXT FOR What's next for DJ chairman. Well This is this time my. I should be saying this. So let's do it so. What's next for? May are I'm going well this week on. This is the week of. August twenty second and. On Mine. Day. The twenty fourth I'm going to be doing a test run on any star radio, which is a a Internet station from Los Angeles California. And going to be doing that then. My official light debut on a station won't be next Saturday and every Saturday. At, four PM. Pacific Time. So just. Yeah Well Mountain Time set same thing as Pacific Time really But yeah. So I'm going to be doing that starting next Saturday and Dan so does so my shows on there will be on Makli directed to I heart radio. So I'M GONNA get more listeners on their. Yup and. Huge. Yes. Yes and then going to keep on doing my podcast I've had way way more of tourneys compliant flying that me since I shut down the station I've had like, maybe five people that warmer to do to a rare show for them or people don't want to me. Mike. I've had. People, contact me and be like I. Want I want you to. Be a guess on my show and all this stuff since I've shutdown station, which is shutdown station like. Almost two two weeks ago. So. It's crazy. How one door closes in like ten million other doors open. Well said well said just because the door opens doesn't mean you have to walk through it my friend all the choices are yours and all the opportunities in the world at your fingertips. So I, believe in you buddy I believe in you. Thank you. Have a third and final question for you here. All right. Case. So being a music lover, an avid music lover, not just the style make clear right now I love music in general. So if you WanNa, send me something funky Senate my way 'cause I'll probably enjoy it and I love that stuff I, love diversity. What is your favorite type of Music Dj met. well I. Don't really have a favorite my i. Like. I'm more than one favorite Jarrah music. but I would say my like my talk five Jaros were had to be like one will be pop to will be like alternative at three will be like in the. And for. Dance and indium, and then I guess five will be country or new country. US. Pretty good. Yes. I. Also like As now too. Nice. Yeah. Yeah what what do they say? What's the saying like variety is the spice of life I guess. So yeah. I I never heard that before so Have that's awesome. Yeah. I just want to give a big show to all the producers in Canada all the Ts Canada all the hard dance lovers the hardest family in Canada Hashtag Q. A. N. D. A. N. Eighty a Pandita. You guys inspire us a you guys are legends for what you're doing there. Much loved acute over there. That's a tongue twister. Yeah Hashtag q a and a deep. Canada. Canada with accused at of see. Right Anna. Quite. Very much for having me today brother. Now Prom man come at any time. If he had any new stuff, you WANNA say. All hundred percent y'all being touched. I, love what you do at just keep doing what you do best man. I enjoy it. Into the Saturday show I'm looking forward to that too because it's it's with days off nicely. So I'm definitely tune in what can you plug that for me one more time? What's going on with the Saturday? Where can I find it and what time? Okay. So you can go to. solve. The show is called the indie show. With me DJ man. So do you want to go ahead and listen and you can listen live on? Saturdays at four PM Pacific Pacific Time. Goto spreaker dot com slash slash shows slash indie. Hyphen Star Hyphen Radio, or just go to spreaker dot com slash. Shows Slash de Hyphen. And e hyphen show or just go to my My website has it too has a link for it and. All is. As well. Yeah, all my all my links are on like a all my such media, portals or platforms. So, go check it out I should night the main link to has everything on it. we'll be. Like. Link, dot three, slash Dj man on air, and that link is on on my on my instagram and. in my twitter and stuff so. Nice Links man those early need by the way those those super big links that that just incorporate everything super easy and. It's like there is like your own law website, it has everything on it. Yeah exactly well, thanks again, but I really appreciate it and you've definitely made my day by hosting me today. So thank you. Canada Yeah Go Canada where Kapila again. I'm everywhere on social media. So you can find me at facebook dot com slash hard Canada reach out on twitter are Sal Canada on twitter snapchat, heart style, Canada just type that right I'll pop right up l. send you all the pictures from my daily life all that good good stuff. Thank you. All those rents men. And is seagrams as well. But if you WANNA, get a hold of me directly just message me through hard style. Canada on facebook and we can talk. Sweet and you guys now worry on me. On twitter facebook and INSTAGRAM AT DJ on air or guard to my link Tria link dot com slash. Dj Man on air has everything on there from learning about my disease to my were we work in here. Me Yet I mean it's has everything on there so. It out and I WANNA thank Eric Mayes Ucla for show and throwing these port. Stay tuned has more would be coming out weekly now because it's a brand new season. Only talk as podcasts Michigan follow us on facebook at the tar cast and go to anchor, dot them such talk guests to find out where you can listen. And stay connected with us. Give us five stars if podcast network passage for a talk casts and are the Nats Dj and I love you so much and like I, always say for me to you believe in you blaming yourself and yoga foreign live. See you all next time. Lots play day. Out Tra- by and. We. Hope you enjoy that episode of the talk cast. If you did make sure to rate is five stars and subscribe to the podcast and follow the talk cast all social media to stay updated in the loop on facebook talk cast. Much for listening to talk as podcast Would D. J. J. Man.

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805 - The Bells - SpoiLore Edition

Game of Thrones The Podcast

1:28:26 hr | 1 year ago

805 - The Bells - SpoiLore Edition

"Welcome to the game of thrones podcast. The officially unofficial podcast for game of thrones on HBO. I'm jim. I'm Ron and say, we're talking about season eight episode five. It's the spoiler addition, which means we are gonna talk about everything looks included prophecies included Aron, I this is the last opportunity. We're going to have to actually guests about the finale like or talk about what we want to see out of valley before we actually see it. Yeah. So I did wanna take some time today, and I like this would have been better suited for our ultra mega two and a half hour podcast on Tuesday. But this last opportunities, I definitely want to take it to just talk about what we want. We hope to see out of the finale, not what we need to see not if they don't do this. It's going to suck just like, what's, what's your feeling going into the finale about it? Well, if I hob oy, it's such a broad question. Because, like in terms of hashtag fan bankruptcy, this is very dangerous behavior to engage. Jim. I've got a loan waiting for you. I mean, it's only money on nine point nine percent, annual percentage rates. That's only if you default on all. Yeah. Only if I default, I think I there's a lot of things I'd like to see, I don't know if there's anything must as right now there's a couple of things that I think would probably make things a little better in retrospect. One of the big ones is I would like for brand to do something. Thing that would directly use his. Three. I'd raven powers for something other than just stabilizing the realm and the geopolitical situation. He found himself into something that maybe we would even like go back and think about what he did during the battle of winter fill and the, the long night. And think, oh, that's what he was doing. I would like to see him do something like with, with the analyzing the history of west to come up with a way forward for the realm. Or maybe you know, he's there's, there's gonna be some dragon taming has to be on. And like these people have been long predicting that one. The ways one of the most epic ways for the three eyed. Ravens prophecy, about Dan brand. The he'll never walk, but he will fly would be to take to the wings, in a dragon get behind the wheel of a brand new two thousand eighteen drogue on I, I guess things like that. I would like that would be something interesting. I think that like checking back in with Brian to see because because the last time we saw her, she's on her knees weeping, just utterly bereft. And like, that's not how I one of I wanna leave one of my favorite characters. Yeah. I think for me, that's the major thing they need to do is give these characters some kind of satisfying ending just like some closure if at least for some of the characters that I like I'm going to say it's become more difficult to do that. I think after this last episode but not impossible some of these characters that I've come to know and love over the course of these ten years now I really just want to see some kind of finality to their stories, something that tells me that they are, you know, they, they appreciate where they've been how far they've come. And they're different people. Now that's the story of time is people change. At least I think so. So I just wanna see this the characters service a little bit more. Yeah. I it'd be nice to see because it seems like it's, it's pretty obvious that there's going to be something goes, dancing, Danny, and John. I presume John is probably going to be victorious unless Martin and the double DS are going for just maximum ocean devastation. Bummed out nece. But, but, like, I'd like, also like to see because we talked about how, you know, a few episodes ago when John and Sam said goodbye felt like that might be the final goodbye that we're never going to see Sam but I think now that John's been sufficiently traumatized that maybe would be nice to see John be able to hand off the reins of power or something like a guy like Sam. I would like to, you know, I don't know how much time we're gonna have this. But, like I think if there was any hope for bittersweet resolution of this, that we also have to know their favorite characters are okay or not the favorite care, because the realm itself, like what is the continuity, who's going to be on the iron throne? What power structure is going to survive. Like is various hope for the realm being secure actually going to come come to fruition. I don't know how they hint that in our that guy also wrap up The Danny storyline. Like that's something I would like to see I'd like to, you know, and so that would get sands involve. I guess the other thing, the other real big one that I feel strongly about is, they have to have something to put the period at in of saying, not sands Arias plumb line because she was on an arc of this kind of dark vengeance, path. And they curved her off of that arc back to where she now has a hope of normalcy. But I think. I've been thinking about a lot her running back again, dri, and we joked about a little ready to be your lady now like that would feel false. It was. So what does a aria unburden with the weight of binging her family, but also not a conventional lady in this world that doesn't exact reward unconventional eighties. What does that actually look like it would be nice to see a hint of that? Yeah. It's a really good question. I, I don't feel like I have a good answer. If you asked me to write a conclusion, Dr is story. I don't think I could do it. The iron islands turns out to be a dormant volcano chain that just wipes it off the map. There are no iron islands anymore, but Yara gets out. No Yara goes to door. No. She becomes the new Princess of door iron twenty years, African iron island like to jet. I in new hope or vaguely iron islanders who what is ancient ancient islands. And hokey hokey plot devices. With the lightsaber west just can't risk it other year on. I mean, we just we just make sure that doesn't happen. We need to old Alaria, the motherfuckers is going to be old iron old iron islands. And he's just going to be a smoking pit in the middle of the, the sunset. See. So, yeah, I mean that's I, I don't know how modest those hopes are because I think, you know, capping off a characters big as aria is also all the things they built with with with towards brand and his gifts. I those are pretty modest goals. But I'm also worried that I'm setting myself up for failure to. Yeah. I mean you still have a lot of characters people care about. I mean, I don't know that Davos has much more story in the story. But the big one, I think, as a standout, it's probably Sanga because you can't just leave Santa as an adversary of Danny and just in her story that way, you, you need something for whether she continues to be the lady of winter fell in this new set of kingdoms, whatever that looks like or whether she actually sits on the throne, perhaps, in some weird twist of lineage, maybe she's also a Gary and somehow who knows, but I think they'd need to do a little bit more of a Santa, right? Vote. Okay. What else I I don't know. I think we should probably get to our spoiler section of the podcast because that's what's everyone's here. Four. Okay. I will say that for next week. I'm working on an outline with my co author of God's thrones Anthony where we're going to look kind of do deep dive on, I think a lot of I think, going on these sump shin that most of these plot points like Danny during turning evil and even maybe Jamie with sir c. These beats are going to pretty much happen in the book. Obviously, the toughest is gonna be the night game because there's not even a night king and the book certainly stuff far. But, like, if we grant that this is kind of more or less the shape, the George Martin intended. And then we're going to go and rewind to where we are at in the books because we've long talked about how the show has has has pared down a lot of the plots are going on the books to kind of bring this to conclusion, you know, I was apprised iron islanders came back, because it seemed like that was one of the plots that they were kind of cauterize ING, the Dohrn reason to kind of door and collapse, like a souffles, because the double DS decided not to have that second stage ignition where the Dohrn. You know. The Dornoch leaders unveiled their, their plot that they had to try to take back the iron throne with the tar Garin. There's a lot of other the young Griff this, this pretender false target Syrian. That's various Alirio. We're trying to put onto thrown there's a lot of like if there's a bit a lot of people talking about these theories, and, and how they look like if you map them onto what to show has done, and how they kind of made a lot more since and we're gonna kind of delve into that. I want to kind of get people's appetites warmed up for it by reading Ellis's dis feedback. And of course, you can send feedback into game of thrones dot com. They continue. They start rather. One theory, I've seen pop up a few times is that the show is suffering the mission of the young Griff slash fake Aragon storylines from the show. First off apologies Jim since this stuff is very book, heavy theorizing. But I like to know what your thoughts are roughly familiar with it. But the crux of this criticism is at large parts of western us have been made redundant such as Dorn. This has always been the case at the show, the reach storm lands on only the north and king's landing ever being ever being relevant cycling. There's an argument that several characters. Arc's motivations that become weakened in diffuses result of these emissions, various Tyrian, and you're on these factors are said to contribute to the poor execution of the end of the show since deniro, clear military advantage, oversee had the art official reduced to level the playing field by making advisor suddenly stupid, such as Tyrian the long night plot only serving the have or forces and the capture three characters such as Yarra Lori and her daughter, resulting in losing a large chunk of her west Rosie allies. These theories claim the. Deniro's. We'll have these advantages when she finally crosses over in the book since young Griff already has supported Dohrn and various who has been trying to put him on the throne since king's landing fell to Lancaster's Bobby B, and after taking the storm lands will likely be set the house, Tom and from king's landing, again, not my theory. Just what read it saying. So it'll be targe versus targe versus targe Dany fake gun and John snow slash gun showdown in the end while this theory holds water. Think it's somewhat unfair criticism to double DS for having omitted. The entire young drift story line is still in its infancy to books. We're only introduced to him and dance. There's still a lot of flushing out to be done. No, I wanna say if when anthrax for this. I'm this isn't going to be a takedown double DS because I think when you're adapting the books and you're still thinking that you're going to get at least a winds of winter. So you get a better idea with Georges looking at. And you look at his engage where, you know, here's the person that's going to hear the battles take place. And here's who's gonna live and who's going to die. It'd be very easy and season four or five to be like, okay. Well, we can just trim this plot, and we can trim this plot at doesn't matter. But then when you have to do the thing that Martin himself has happening do where it's like oh shit. We've got all these different pieces. Where how do we get them the where they need to be? That's win. Some of these weaknesses exp- kind of expose themselves. So it's like yeah. Maybe if the double DS could go back to season five and lay some of these, they would have, but they couldn't and I'm not sure it's a bad decision from when they made it. So, yeah, we're going to be the kind of have a twenty thirty minute conversation for spoiler addition next week. And of course, we'll also be able to roll in anything that's come out and this weekend's episode because it's, it's possible there's a possibility that I don't think that if you're dead set into thinking that, you know, there was no straw that broke the dragons back that it's going to make everything. All right. And if you're just fundamentally unsatisfied death Ray Ghar, and how the battle of winter fail. I don't think it'll be enough to salvage it. But if you're kind of like in that roughly one third of fan them, that's kinda like well, yeah disappointed. But I'm also not just like a just just fucking having a conniption fit over it. Maybe could win win win over some centrist independence in the thrones election. Probably so I mean I was not one who had declared fan bankruptcy after that winter fil episode after the episode your fan portfolio looking out. I've, I've liquidated at all. It has not been enough to cover my debts and therefore bankruptcy. I'm hoping that we can go into that episode and just get some good character moments. Some, some closure on all this stuff, and I'm looking forward to being a bankrupt fan next episode. He's got a pocket lint and his last free burrito gift card. Right. But he's, he's hanging on that card. Okay. So we got a lot of I thought it's appropriate because, you know, it's tough. It's a spoiler podcast. We've always tried to look at the books look at the show through the prism and the books, and one of the things that are kind of found, especially shocking is one of the kind of bedrock things, I've always felt is that even to show dozen deal with the prophecies the Vallon car that, that gives us a hint to how like, like I've said it many times I'll be shocked. If you don't look back and think, oh, okay. Even though show didn't go into the Valentine prophecy. I totally see how that would fit in. I don't know that Jamie and dying together. Then I mean. Being killed and crushed by kings landing fits that it doesn't exactly not fit it, but I feel like this isn't episode to start like sifting through the tea leaves and trying to figure it out. So, so this is going to be more of disappointed book fans trying to come to grips with what we saw in this last episode as well as people who are trying to square the circle and say, actually, if you think about it. So that sounds good. 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Joining the after thrones conversation at club dot bald. Move dot com. Again, game of thrones move dot com as ice and feedback and in, I'm curious, if you guys will cover the next books, if and win. They ever come out. I know it may be unlikely but they do get released. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. And I think it's almost a lock since we are definitely going to be covering the prequel series and any of the other spinoffs game thrones for as long as they continued to be interesting creatively and entertaining to us. That if wins winter comes out as released it'll be a day, one read for me. Like I'm literally stay up as late as necessary to because like I just I gotta know. Like now more than ever. I gotta know how much this can George do a better job. And he garden his way out of this. Like I'm literally like this is one of the more interesting things and entertainment out there, so. Yeah. Definitely, I don't know what your interest would be just kind of talking through that stuff with me. Or I don't know. I've never read any of the books. I feel like I would just be so lost jumping into this story at the point that it's at baby. I don't I don't know if I could get up to speed in time to day to do a podcast. I think almost this dry fucking book, France crazy, but I think you could skip the first three then you could you could you could skip game of thrones because they're very similar to the show clash a clash of kings storm swords just because. Yeah, they're very, very faithful but yeah, the big difference are happening and dance feast for crows and dances dragons. Read those. The worst looks like you're telling me skip the good ones read the bad ones, but. They're not bad. They're just they're not like the excitement is very tight and everything. You kinda see. Everything's like like after game at thrones. Everything's a head of steam, that's building the things building building things. And whereas feast, and dance just kind of like spread out and kind of take time to set up the geo political. I mean imagine like if I mean, the whole problem with these books if I could be so bold, and I'm not the first one to say this, but George Martin intended to have a five year time jump show, how these star children were going to as young cadets go out into the world, and be brutally fucked and get thrown to mercy of their of their enemies and then flash forward, five years to see how they within. You play their individual parts to get vengeance and the restore Justice in the kingdom. And as he started doing that his Gardner, tendency just realized. You know, some of these guys are really well, suited to do that, and others are just like there's no way like you can't take. Aria as a little girl, getting on the boat, the Bravo's and a five years later. She comes back and can switch faces and stuff. She just like so he's like, I got to actually tell the story I gotta tell the story about Danny. Learn to be a Queen. I gotta do all that stuff. And it's almost like imagine of it before game of thrones. He had to tell the roughly twenty year piece of way of the Robert's rebellion. And all the little pet is petty jealousies and stripes, and intricate planning Leo. And no, he just jumped right into most interesting. Part of story where all that shit was falling apart when now feast and dances, all about the war of the five kings is over and the shit's are in control the king's landing, and Dania's is kind of beat whoop slavers bay. What does that look like? And what, what does that what so? Interesting in a different way. It's interesting in a different way, but it's not the pulse pounding. Oh my God. Not. And there are those moments that, that George puts in there, but they're nothing like the red wedding. There's nothing like beheading of Ned stuff like that. So I saw that. Barest and sell me. The guy plays him was out there saying, oh, yeah. Georgia's got the books written actually got both of them written. You're gonna come out two months after the series ins. I've got I've got a vicious completely untrue. Rumor to spread of books. George actually was offered a two book deal. He said, I'll do it in one. Yeah. Yeah. That's the rumor I'm starting did you see George game at pretty hard against this, this rumor. Oh, yeah, I did. But he would there's a top secret publisher deal that. Had ironclad do. India, then you'd expect them to do that. But yeah unions out there going crazy. So, but the good news is just to get to your, your question, Anna, as I think that regardless of whether Jim is going to be up for that or not got a lot of friends in hot casting, and like, Anthony, that would be happy to come in. I even kinda wanna come back for fire and blood to be honest that comes out later on this year. So, yeah, I didn't I thought they came out loud. I volume two volumes three hundred years gear history. We're only three hundred fifty Jim. The double DS could have done it in one, one volume. They only need six chapters though, the publisher offers them to, but they. Okay. I think we've answered that thoroughly James, h in his latest episode, the bills we finally get an answer to the question. What is Martin playing at and how the story of fire nice will go down as the building up of a fantastic. Fanatical tyrant rather, with loyal followers willing to do anything for her, who's entitlement and less repair corrupted her and presumably, her downfall at the hand that the prince that was promised, which is a valid, and even commendable story to, in retrospect kind of thing, it's genius. The true threat was never the white walkers. It was humans in his right in front of the whole time, but not the human we thought was the problem all along. I will say one thing I didn't mention in the predictions, or, or hopes and fears type segment is it would be nice if they found the way to make the prince that was promised a little bit more of thing as much time as they spent kind of promoting that theory. In connection with the white walkers explicitly to fact, Arias the one that killed them. So it'd be nice for them to come up the clever way to retrofit that prophecy into we'll actually the Lord allies, keeping John around, because he knows that this, this imbalanced situation caused Dany to go mad, and that he was going to be a check. It'd be nice to for them to knowledge that, that is like a greater fulfillment of that. I don't know how they would do that. And yeah it's so much harder to do it now than than to go. Yeah. But that's other things. Like that's why it's really tough to peg this, because this show, unlike so many others like this show could be redeemed through George really nail in the books because if we look back and see, like, oh, the show is kind of a cliff notes rushed version of that. But like some of these moments that didn't quite work in show would work. If you actually knew the act of the things that the characters are, quote unquote, supposed to have said or supposed to have done. Kind of like the way the, the old David Lynch, I think dune movie works, if you're familiar with dune universe is like okay, this doesn't tell the story very well. But it does a great job digitally telling things like the clip gain bowl, the destruction of king's landing, and, you know, the battle winter fell I could see it'd be redeemed and also man, like I'm impressed with just not even a week out how many people have gone through and started to do the connective things and show all the re the four shouting that went into Dany being the mad Queen. I don't think it fully redeems how they did the plot. But like this is just what people have had to do in the week. And what happens when new books, come out what happens on fire and blood comes out of his, another fucking Dunkin egg novel that. Gives a little this shows got this shows got legs and away that most shows when the N dones like breaking bad. You've got better call Saul but. Loss. There's not going to be any more lost lore that comes out that could potentially give that extra. Meaning if you're, you're unhappy with it, you know. Moving on with James, the true travesty here is the narrative execution. Of course, these last two seasons have been forced through a break that pace breakneck pace and have been failing to execution has been a huge disservice to previous seasons of television. Some of the best ever made for those hoping Martin's books will play out differently. I think they'll be in for a rude awakening. I think the double DS, faithfully laid out Martin's bullet points. They struggled to connect the dots. That's fine. I don't think the bullet points are bad, right? Bullet points could be amazing. Just those dots need to be connected. I, I said, I didn't see a lot of people saying that they were just unhappy with Danny turn evil. That's not true. There's obviously a lot of people out there saying that, but there's. On both sides. Our dumb takes on both sides. Like the people are just like there's mad Dany turned evil. That's not I don't think that, you know, it's fine to be disappointed. But like it's a narrative valid choice, and they're certainly tracks related net direction. You like it. And then I think the other the dumb take on the other side is like zero problems with 'execution and they did it and you guys are just pissed off and mad. And by the way, no one's ever happy with the way, anything ins cough cough adventures in game cough. Breaking bad cough, cough, leftovers. Like, yeah there's, there's dumped, you know, the human condition is a fucking bell curve, and you got goof-balls on all sides of it. So. Chaban says I read the to twenty thousand or two hundred thousand fans signing petition for season. Eight remakes plan. Have you seen this have I ever? Yeah. I did you sign it on fuck. No. Because these petitions are dumb. I think it is it would be damn interesting to see someone twenty years from now, essentially do that, like we are going to take canon up through season six and then we're gonna reimagined season seven and a kind of like the what they did this, there's precedent because we there is one thing that I can think of that's had the similar similar thing, which is full metal alchemist anime series. Yeah. The, the anime show start off, really, really strong and everybody liked it. And it caught ahead of its manga Mangga roots and finished ahead of that. And everybody kinda hated it. And then they came out a few years later once mango was finished and did the full metal alchemist brotherhood, I think where they did at the win. That was a lot more highly regarded like I think there's room for, especially if the books come out and HBO. Still has a properties, like why not do I don't know what you would call. It game of thrones, remastered or game of thrones, the Maistre steak or but yeah, you'd have to recast everybody but like ended with Danny inner fleet heading west roasts because I think most people were the vast majority of fans were happy with game of thrones one hundred percent up until then, and this redo books are season seven and eight with, with insights from winds and dream of spring finished. So do you think that HBO would willing to would be willing to do that? Yeah. I think they would I mean the show is so huge for them. I think it would get people extremely excited. It would cause. A massive resurgence in, like HBO now, subscriptions, and they would have every financial incentive to do it. People be going back in, like going back and watching all the to get the challenge of that, because I think the one thing this show did just the purply is cast, the, the thing that you're gonna have a real hard time is fine a cast that can be these people, you'd have to do like essentially joss Weeden wasn't, Josh Weeden, or was it the other guy that did Star Trek reboot that was Abrahams abor Jj Abrams, you'd have to do that level of casting where like people look at Chris pine, and let God damn. Yeah. That's a fucking good young, captain Kirk. You look at that Kary. That's damn fine. Spock like you have to nail it like that. And it's that's I actually think that's harder than just casting impeccable book characters because then it's like their feelings, but they haven't seen flesh and blood. Holy shit. That's. Ned stark. Holy shit. That's, that's Queen heiress. Like you've got to compete with that it can be done. It's very, very hard. I almost think it would be better to go back and do the entire series over. I mean look at Lord of the rings, right. It's being rebutted already as an Amazon prime original. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is it actually just the Lord of the rings the like the original saga? I thought it was so. But maybe I'm wrong because I thought it was like maybe some really in type of stuff. But I don't know they're calling it the Lord of the rings. At least from what I've read, which has been very little admittedly. But yeah, I almost think it would pay to like recast entirely go back and remake the entire series because who's not going to watch it like yeah. Watch the old ones where you can watch the new ones and talk about them with your friends as they come out like that seems the way to go. Yeah. I mean, I've often wondered like we could be would any whatever reboot the Harry Potter series because almost everyone agrees that was really well cast and they're pretty happy with the way wins. And I know there's some purist start quibbling with the later books that they didn't have every detail in and maybe they didn't do Justice by Ron's character cetera. But like it's always risky to redo the whole like all seasons. One through six game of thrones because they're so fucking good. The redo it like you got at least as good if not better Jew shot for shot. Exactly. Exactly. But then why not why bother at all? Yeah. It's a weird question. And I think also like there's zero reason to do this, unless George finishes books agree or disagree. Disagree? I think I think like I said the financial incentive would be strong. Okay. There are many, many people evaluate reason. Okay. The fans would be happy with just just for the sake of being, you know. So I think if you tried to rebut let's call it a reboot seasons seven and eight. A lot of fans would be cheering a lot of fans with tune in and a lot of fans will be angry. I think like the people who are really defensive about this and really love it, and it didn't have any execution problems would probably be like this doesn't make any sense. Why are you doing this? But I, I I'm gonna I'm gonna predict right now that the overall tone of the discussion in future years, about game of thrones is going to be an amazing show that ended extremely poorly lie. Yeah. Lost. So many others that just couldn't make it quite across the finish line. And so I think once you get far enough out like five ten twenty years out the opportunity to reboot these last season's just grows and grows because people people who once were fans get a little bit of time from it, and I'm not saying their opinion will change just saying they might be up for like, oh, let's, let's check out how they do this remake. I mean, I would I would definitely watch. I mean, just just, just out of morbid, you're like I'd be in for a Harry Potter reboot. Like I mean, that's a we always have a category in the ball. These are annual fake award show where it's like highest risk reward like rebooting game of thrones repeating Harry Potter anytime you go back and, or like they're really re repenting Lord of the rings is crazy high risk doing. Yeah. I agree. Extended virgins Lord of the rings D M near-perfect additions, in fact, a lot of times, when, like the hardcore Tolkien fan start talking about like oh, we should put back Tom Bobadilla back in. I'm like, I don't know about that. Like I actually think it's smart to pair off as much of the transition from the child hobbit series to very dark mature Lord of the rings. I think that's a addition by subtraction for the type of thing they're going for so like going and doing dad is like you're off the charts brave. Maybe it maybe it's what is is that this year? I don't know. I think I need to soon as I'm done to this podcast. I need to go and read everything I can find out about this project. Okay. It's one of the most expensive or the most expensive. Yeah. Ever produced. Garrett be Danny's. Very aware that Tyrian freed his brother. Danny is very weird. Jane. Okay. The Tyrian freed his brother prior to the battle at king's landing the guard saw Tyrian walk in and certainly someone checked tint after his departure. There's at least half a day between the freeing Ajay me to initiation of battle Jamie, getting free at night, the battle happened during the day is the only reference to the passage of time. Yeah. But here's the thing, the previous scene established Danny won the fight as soon as possible. And at first light was thrown out there. So I'm it's entirely possible that Tyrian broke Jamie out and the dead of night and only an hour or so. Alaska, I do think that it's not like people are going to forget that this happened. It's going to get back to Danny, that she free Jamie or that it's going to get back to Danny, that Tyrian free, Jamie. I just don't know if it has. Right. And there's some people building head and about. That's why Danny snapped and like that, until they establish that's not persuasive. I don't think no you're free to do that. Like if fills those gaps for you in the story, like go ahead and do that. But don't act as if this is proof and everyone should believe it and just take it at face value. But I will say that it's entirely reasonable to -ssume Dany is going to find out about Tyrian, and maybe even dovish his play into treacher, even though this is so dangerous for Davos to do, but we'll see. He said continues you said yourself in a previous episode little more wrongdoing. And I can see Danny losing it. I think our decision was unearned out of line, but maybe this is a little extra. Push knocked supposedly shown to us. Well, that's the case. It's a failure because the explicitly shown to us, that's the thing. That's what I've been saying. They didn't show me the thing that would put Danny over the edge that moment. And yeah. You gotta show it to me, or I can't. I can't just infer something that isn't that isn't explained that on the screen, and we're not we're not saying, like be over the head with it like it's like I love the way the handle various poisoning, Danny. Yeah. Like you do percents easily breeze over that feels like something. It's so subtle that you're he's discussing it openly and you could miss it. Yeah. I love that. And I think there's ways you could you could hint that. But. Like, for example, right before the battle is joined Dany kind of imperiously looks at Tyrian and be like be it's like, we'll see how well your brother does in his when he when he returns with her. We'll see what your brother does when you transparency, like letting her him know that she knows. And they don't have to spell it out to audience how will we know like you can make those inferences like, oh, well, obviously, the unsullied told their boss and their boss old grey worm, and grey, worm till Danny, and Danny probably made. But you need something because otherwise how do we know that, you know, Jamie wasn't busted at five o'clock in the morning. And sun rose Rosa five fifteen in the battle of king's landing began at five five thirty except for, I guess, the sons too far from this guy. Never mind, never mind. I'm sure fan has has lated angle of the sun. And it was that fan is not me. I don't know because it wasn't high noon. She didn't come straight out of the sky was, yeah. Wasn't I ten like ten AM? Maybe. You're talking me into Garrett and she's been circling for a while looking for a good. Oh, yeah. Time you've been waiting for you. Right in your on's is, I need, I need the son. I need you to diagram sundial for me. Garrett figure out how many degrees, high son was, and then I can get I can get on board with your surmise all here. Okay. Leon t I have seen in her commentary that suggested term mad Queen sexist and the audience judging Danny by different standards to male leaders and rulers but isn't the term mad Queen about how this universe tar, guarantor perceived isn't Danny being called mad Queen a reference to the mad king other female characters done heinous stuff without being universally labelled as med. Search being the most obvious example. Oh, no. Oh, plenty of people in my myself included called, sir. Crazy. And psychopathic. Yeah. I think that's an accurate description over sure. I'm not sure the mad Queen means that males and females are being judged differently. I just think that this is how characters justify their actions each other in themselves and is university perception is key to how laws and customs are defined and other parts of the kingdoms. It's one of the reasons Dana is always going to have an uphill battle winning the hearts and minds. The common folk would be suspicious not because he's a woman, but because he's Garin this a specially true north where the lie about regarding leeann accepted as gospel. I don't I don't understand anything about. Out any kind of sexist angle on this. The mad Queen is simply a reference to her father, who was titled the mad king because of the lineage like. And the potential to do to commit the same atrocities that he was trying to commit. So I don't understand. I genuinely don't even understand where that's coming from. Fortunately, we have next Email, that's got a female perspective on it. Okay. Annabi says I've been grappling wide Danny snaps and what she did and decided to burn innocent people wind. She had won the battle. I realized that she ended up being the same situation, their father was in. And she ended up doing water father would have done had he not been killed by Jamie, this an explanation of king airs through the game of thrones Wicky online. Well, initially appealed to be appeared to be generous and wise. He later became spiteful the power of others, especially that of his hand, Taiwan Lancaster, who had once been one of his closest friends eventually grew paranoid of his own family members and a small council common remembered as a mad king is rain became increasingly erratic and murderous, king ariza's, betrayed by his former friend in hand. The Lord Taiwian Lancaster who led an army under the false pretense of defending the capital of king's landing. When opened the gates under grandma Maistre pie cells council Taiwan, proceeded to brutally sacked the city airs order Jamie to bring him tie when head before ordering pyrometer resort. Ross arts Rosser to initiate, the wildfire plan in response, Jamie killed the pyro answer before stabbing in the back and cutting his throat. Okay. So there's the background Danny had been betrayed several times in the past. But she's always had people around to our loved and supported her, however and west rose. She is known nothing but betrayal, and start seeing betrayers all around her father, even though she decided help, John with dragons and armies to fight the dead and experience, great loss doing. So she feels she isn't appreciated or loved and western because John committed his betrayal, thus she is right in the same position of their father was before the before he died, except that she was winning the battle before she decided to burn them all, which is an important distinction. Huge I think the only one either I think that when she's looking over king's landing as the bells ringing, she knows that she that even. If she does let the city, surrender and take the throne, then and there she will never fully have the love the people because the message about John spreading, and as long as people not truth about John, she betrayers all around her life, trying to Jonathan and overthrow her. So that's decides the lacquer father burn them all. Because she'd rather people fear her when love is impossible. So actually, I think I might have goofed up the emails here, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go. So let's, let's take it for granted that, there are women out there who see. Dany turning to the mad Queen not necessary. She went evil, but there's she's as mad as kind of insulting or slap in the face. I think that if I'm trying to square the circle because there's a lot of dudes wrote in said that like the idea that Danny being mad Queen is being sexist as ridiculous that this is what equality looks like that. If you accept that women are equal to men, and they should be equally crazy and murderous and bloodthirsty and all that stuff is true to a certain point. And I'm going to see if I can find the middle ground here. I think if I look at society, you know, we're kind of in female empowered kind of heroes, terms and entertainment, we're kind of, like, remember anchorman. Jim not very well, it's the care Deronic, according stone, and she was portrayed as being at least twice, as good as an anchor person as Ron burgundy and the rest of the news corrects, underselling it. But yes, but they saw her the fact that she would be part like considered equal to them as ridiculous. And when they eventually lost, and she was made their war against her. And she was made a co anchor. They didn't be like hey well-thought fight lady, welcome to the team. No. They continued to try to raffle at every single opportunity and take advantage of her and trigger and do things that they would never do to another man, even wanna stupid as like brick Tamblyn. You know, the guy literally can't can't think right. I think that like we're at the stage. Now where? There's a lot more strong female roles. You know you had a scene in the latest ventures where on trying not to spoil it. But like every woman in the marvel cinematic universe kind of stood up together and kick some ass and five years ago that happened, the internet would be inflamed with dudes be like, oh, fuck and force feminism bullshit. Like you didn't even really see any of that. In even the shittier parts of the internet, like people are kind of, like, okay, that's fair. So it's getting there by Sooners enough women that, like as has there ever been a female hero like this to get seventy two hours a screen development and then turns out to be crazy bitch in the end. And I think that does a little unfair feels a little bit like Veronica Cording stone muscling to the top, and elbowing her way to table with the other dudes and they continue to kind of, like, you know, try to shit. I get it like it, it look, I'm sure it does not feel good. When you identify so strongly with someone you assume as a hero and they turn out to. Be a villain. But I never read this as Danny is, is evil because she's a woman or like hurt her being a woman didn't have anything to do with her. Targe aryan. This no had everything to do. And so I like I'm not going to take away from people who feel hurt by this turn because because it is up people feel. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a subjective thing. And it's I think understandable, you've invested a lot in this person or this character. And they've let you down. But I, I always contextualized it not in. Danny is a female, but Danny is tar carrion. Yeah. I don't think that anyone saying that is like a bad faith actor. I say, like I think I understand why women and another illustration of this. I remember like ten or fifteen years ago win like women became more of a voice on the internet and gaming. Right. There's a lot of high minded guys. Like when people like when women were complaining about, why are there any female heroes? Why aren't there any people of color in these video games wise every fucking protagonist to same stubbly face? Yeah. Glowering drake. Yeah. Like why is and like a lot of these guys would come with this piece like worl-? It's actually super sexist and racist, not to be identified with the white protagonist. Why does it have to look like you flash forward fifteen years later where like, oh my God. Why is this trans person in this game? How am I supposed to identify this, why you're forced black person? There's a woman in World War, Two woes. So it's like there's, you know, like people have a rational feelings win. The, the, the way that I don't think women, this is not a rational, rational. It's like women. Like we thought we were getting this, and we got topsy turvy, and it comes on a week, where one states in America just like fucking outlawed abortion, period, starting to feel like it sliding into like Handmaid's tale territory. So, like there's valid reasons for women to kind of feel like the carpet was full pulled out from underneath them. And I think, you know, we shouldn't be dismissive, and it's fine to say, like factually, hey, I think there were going, but to for the mad king analogy, and the other thing is like the double DS having exactly been exactly perfect and how they treat these situations because they're older dudes that don't really think about these things, any more than your average dude does until they're forced to. So the most offensive thing. I think that happened as far as this female hero goes is the way the story was told because in my mind they just completely short cut it in botch, this entire thing and. And that's a huge letdown like you could almost see turn where Danny goes mad and burns king's landing. If it was told better, and you might have understood it a little bit more, but it's just kinda double slap in the face when it's also poorly told just we're taking your hero way. But we're doing it in this shortcut it, we don't give a shit kind of way. Yeah, it was mad. Like I think also if is mad Queen of hurt is being angry, like you know, like, like a wounded kind of. Traumatize kind of way but it does feel like the most likely explanation for why she snapped his that it is kind of a certain sort of madness that, like king air, just as the tar Gary and yeah. Like, like she just went fire and blood for. No fucking good reason, even though every part in, we'll talk about this later on because there's a lot to unpack here. But, like, I think that's the other thing that stinks too, because, you know, the crazy vindictive bitch is been like a slur thrown against women for ever since min decided that they didn't like women getting up at demanding equal rights inequality in society. It's just such a shame. Because when the story is told this way, it makes it seem more like that's true. Right. Like, oh, well, the dots don't connect, and therefore she's irrational. Right. And she's doing this thing, because she's a crazy bitch like that, that shouldn't have even come into the minds of people watching this story. But when it's told so poorly at has to like. Or doesn't it doesn't have to? But in the in the people who are prone to thinking it will, or if are, or if you actually were trying to paint Dany as a hysteric, and you're like, hey, you know what qualities twenty nineteenth? I'm I'm perfectly fine telling the story where the female gets verdict, and she's just she's just fucking crazy and hysterical. Then take it on the chin because like I don't know when it's going to happen. It's ten years from now twenty years from now, forty years, fifty years, eventually, if things continue to go, and we don't slide into fucking new Gilead Handmaid's tale territory, there will come a day where like if the government's fits percent, women and men and the, the, the boardrooms are fifty percent. Women and men and like everyone feeling. Then you can do whatever you want with men and women roles and no one can ever say, like, well, this is unfair because everyone's got a voice and everyone's had their chance to have their tails told I just think that we're like it's almost like it's almost somewhat revolutionary vanguard to proceed with the story where well, we can just make a woman crazy, because it's twenty nineteen. Yeah. Now's not the time. Yeah. You guys had captain marvel. So, like, I remind you guys can be crazy. You got one DC superhero, and one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Now is not the time for that shit. Yeah. So anyway, just wanna have they'll be they'll be more discussions to come. Let's see. Oh, Fidel I wanted to point out your disciplined with the main issue of the last episode Dany becoming the mad Queen may stem from a radical difference and moral systems. It's very clear that you're disappointed because he felt Danes behavior is incoherent with Danny's history throughout the series during the last podcast, you made it very clear that every time Dana killed someone. She was absolutely justified to do so you guys even compared Danny's victims to Nazis. I mean the way that was phrased almost seemed like that's unfair comparison. But like burn the slavers and ask the poor like they're literally using people that they view as subhuman for profit and treating them as slaves like that's that is not see. I mean that's like, you know, maybe even whatever wouldn't make that comparison with Charlie. But right. Yeah aren't Nazis? Randall seem like a fucking asshole. But he's not the wrong side. Yeah, it's very unusual in the US to believe that killing someone maybe just way. I'm sorry. It's very usual. And United States believe the killing someone may be justified even as punishment for past actions thus existence. A death penalty in your country obviously Fidel is not from America. But you justified the crucifixion of some masters of the masters of marine based on the moral principle prevalent countries of Judeo Christian foundations of an eye for an eye there. Many moral systems were, killing is never justified, neither, for punishment which is obvious for seventy five percent of the country's the world that did not have the death penalty, or for any other reason some moral systems, do not even justify killing for self defense. If you judge any from any of these moral systems, and I do Danny, as always been a status murderer. Therefore, there's no incoherence businesses usual, and destruction of king's landing, maybe and bitterly, this is a big maybe Girma, or the double DS wanted to show how flawed immoral system that justified killing is that the difference between killing as a punishment, or just killing for no good reason may be just having a bad day. What do you think about this gym? I think that's weird in context of Ned stark Ned stark was never shown to be anything less than truly honorable man and he dispense Justice in the form of death. Yeah. So if that is truly their intention with the, you know, the, the double DS, or George Martin. They have failed in my opinion. Yeah. No. I mean so that's the thing like if they're really trying to do that. And they're Buckner train because. Yeah, I, I'm anti-death penalty. But I'm not a total pacifist. I actually feel that any moral framework, that cannot defend itself under any circumstances. Like if there's a moral framework to says, killing is justified, and we're going to kill all pacifists, and a passive assay. Well, whatever you do. We're not going to defend ourselves like, regardless of what is the absolute unless you're peeling to a higher thority. Like God will, you know, we can do whatever you want an earth. But there's a heaven and hell, and you're going to hell. And I'm going to heaven appeal to that fine. That's a moral framework, the works, but to an atheist like myself, if you're not willing to defend your life against per person. Oh, deprive it, then I don't know what to. Do with that moral framework. Seems like like if you won't defend yourself from extinction of people that won't respect your moral framework than what validity does a have, and I feel like there's a lot more people that didn't with that than not. So, like if that's the point, they're making again, just like if you wanna make it the fucking deniers crazy. Do it and take it on the chin but don't act surprise like oh my God. I wrestled everyone Jimmy's, because Meany violence whatsoever. Even against slaveholders is unjustified. I just don't agree with that. So, yeah, you've you've got you've correctly identified my moral conundrum. I guess here of an ele- putting I wanna talk about Brin what they did with her and Jamie is inexcusable. I was all for this ship. She was told her whole life that she's ugly and undesirable that she wasn't feminine enough to be loved their relationship was unconventional. And briefly showed us that this is wrong, you can be strong. You don't have to conform to gender stereotypes and standards of beauty. The society forces upon you to be happy or to find someone who will love you for who you are the strongest most. Audible bad ass. Woman was just thrown away, as a one night stand spelled K in I g h t knife. I like that. Very nice. So he could ignore his whole character, arc and go back with sister, because he's hateful and he never cared about the innocent. When you sacrifices on and killed his king for them. Bring of tarp is reduced to woman standing outside and our pajamas weeping over a man leaving her. And I just cannot abide this decision. I, I don't have like you're coming to the wrong shop, if he wanted to a defense of that because I totally agree. Like I don't that's just fucking straight up brutal the treat Brienne like that. And it's exceptionally cruel for Jamie to do so. Because. Man, I got them. What was he thinking? I mean I can only go on the line that he delivers there, which is. I'm hateful. And therefore, I have no problem doing this to you. I know a lot of people because I had to take about, like, it's kind of weird for me that Brienne Jaime had the drink to get like themselves worked up to like, having consensual sexual relationship, and a lot of people, there's people to wrote in this week and last said, you know. Brands just a straight up virgin Jamie as far as we know and I think it's made explicit in the books has never been with another woman other than sir. See he's never dated. He's never approached woman. He's been love at this woman all her life. So, like these are both very inexperienced people in relationships and very scared and nervous. So maybe it would make sense to kind of lubricate that situation. So they're not so freaking out. I don't think they were so drunk that obviously, there's, there's no consent involved. But another way you look at that. Is that Jamie knew he was doing something vile to fairly innocent person, and was very deeply conflicted and knew what he's doing is wrong, and kind of like the way Tyrian gets himself drunk when he's going to do something cruel or ugly, or unpleasant, and Val way to look at it. But again, I don't like it. I don't like it and they did. They did mcgirt vanilla. And I'm with you on that Haley be we all know an agree how they screwed up. Danny's care. To arc's. Let's stop talking about that. Instead talk about how well they did Arias here here miss started. A core was introduced to us as a small child who loves adventure and loves her family, even more. All right. Minus Santa as a result of her seeing her beloved, father die. She starts on an adventure to return to her family, only to hit dead in after dead end by the point. She in the hound. Find out about her aunt at the gates at Vail. She's already hardening to thought that she is now alone in the world with her family gone. Then she turns into a faceless man as we all know she struggles to abandon her identity during this process, ultimately leading her to leave them. Any face God and return to roots. She's rewarded with the site of brand, Santa, and John and though, she is not the same person. She was the last time she was at winter fill. Her experiences have strengthen her love for to Stark's. She can now use your faceless skills to protect them. Which she does all all the night, king. Yeah. Yeah. She say the entire run by killing them. But quite literally, she kills him to save her brother brand skipped conversation of sand or where she tells he tells her that she. Still has time to not be him, one of the mini subtext here is that she still has a chance to have a family. My one last hope for the final episode is this let are incomplete or journey from small child that loves but takes for granted her family to medium teen lost with no family to a medium, large team with assassin skills to full grown adult with the ability to finally protect your family something she couldn't do previously. I know she probably disappointed are. No, I will probably be disappointed, and she will die trying to kill Danny. But please let her die killing Dany to at least keep her from your Karasin, John, please. Don't give a stupid death, and for love the mini face. God do not let her live for entire family dies, they'd done a beautiful job at telling her story. I don't want them to fuck it up. What do you think is Jim? I think it's pretty fair. I like it as you guys know, I was pretty anti what they did with our because I thought this was another them. Curiously veering like, like pulling up her arc before it should. You know, fly right into the side of a mountain, no pun intended. But this Email kind of turn it around for me. Because you're right. The difference between the hound and her is that she still has these connections of humanity left. And she she's young enough that she can't cultivate those just as much as she's cultivated. Her death prayers and her meditations on engines, and might not be too late. I honestly got thank you Haley, because I feel like this kind of has made me okay with, with our is Arcus last episode. And now now that I've reinvested I'm kind of afraid to. But it does seem like the one way for them to be faithful to. This is to have if she's going to die, and she's going to die killing Danny have it be an active defense, rather than purely engines. So. All right. Well, let's, let's move onto next one Jill w I'm wondering if anyone has given any thought to seemingly miraculous escape from king's landing being engineered by the Lord of light if she was. In fact, the reason Mela Sandra wasn't west coast. And the reason bear continued to be resurrected perhaps all the scene cuts during her escape was to allude to her being brought back again. And again, and so could also explain the very implausible presence of that white horse, especially the blast with dragon fire everyone else around her as burnt Pompeii style, but aria was virtually unscathed. Not sure how the explain this with only one episode left though. Yeah. I do think there is something interesting. We mentioned this on that, that interview we talked about, on the w CPO the local Cincinnati television station interview we did yesterday that we mentioned the show notes. But or the housekeeping, but there is this idea that Davos talked about, like, after the battle of winter, Phil when he psych man Lord of the light, what the fuck like he was doing this and doing that. And now he's gone. I don't even what the thing and they told us very particular story of Baruch done Derian. Finished his service to the Lord of light and died Mela. Sandra finishers service to Lord light died. There's one kind of these fire whites left, and it's John or maybe aria to one of John's purposes to quote unquote bring balance to force by by the last of the ice, killing the last of the fire, and then they both die, or he kills Danny, and then he does dies because the Lord lights done with them. I think there's, I don't know what do you think of that theory? I mean inside from the, the idea that once you're done, you just collapsed to heap. I don't really like that idea because we've never seen it. You the story like if like his wounds started reopening, and he started bleeding, because like Mila Sandra didn't do that. She turned into an old barrack didn't do that. Yeah. But she voluntarily did it like it's not like well, her, her stories, complete crumple. Yeah. List, Barry laying if they wanted to tell that story, the ruby should have failed her, and then she takes off rather than her taking off the ruby. Yeah. So I don't think that part of it is likely, but yeah, I, I do think it's difficult to kind of come back around and say, hey, this Lord of the light thing is what is preserving aria in these scenes, because I didn't get any of that from, from the way they told it, but, but it's an interesting idea. Yeah. And it's one of those things where what the right kind of previously on's and a right. Kind of flashback. Right. Kind of. Yeah. Honestly, brand is comes out and says, what you need to realize is that, you know, like he can put all in context. Of the fabric of time. I think that could be cool. I also think it's not a very fan. Bankruptcy thing to do to pull in for this kind of resolution for sure. But what are you going to do? We love to show. Kate Caitlyn t-. I've seen a lot of complaints about sees death as someone who hasn't an someone who hasn't cashed in declared fan. Bankruptcy wanted Finn. Why thought it was perfect. The thing that was has defined surfing other than being a mother is her entitlement as the Lancaster and Queen Queen Mother, she's always been overconfident in era Gance in the books. It's clear that she admires her father Taiwan and things for self is very clever. While in the book version of, sir. See isn't as cunning as to show version, the c we've seen onscreen has been ruthless. When Ned threatened her about the truth of children. She didn't cry or plead with them. She made her moves that kept herself inter families safe when she was supposed to go on a trial at the center of the Baylor. She instead burned the place, Dan with their enemies inside after the attacks hybrid has explained, sir, c piece by piece each level of thin. Did she has failing she's filing tears understand your situation? She tries to escape watching her queens guard be slain, by the hound Khyber nd shove, the side that die in the mountain abandoned her despite her commands to stay by her side. Everything's literally crumbling around her before Jamie arrives. She isn't looking for a way to surrender. She isn't trying to rid a lot of conversation with deniro's. She's looking to get out. She goes Jamie looking for escape. She tells him he doesn't want. She doesn't want to die. And then she is crushed. She told sands at the battle of blackwater that status men one, they wouldn't be as safe as they wouldn't be safe as women. Many of them would be raped and impregnated by the morning when it's while it's unclear how the battle went down. She's prepared to kill and herself rather than be handed over to stand us, when he dies. Assefa sewed. She denies in the satisfaction of having executed to me. This was completely in character for her. I don't. Subscribes scribe, some kind of intention -ality to agent. I don't think she had. I don't agree that she made a choice there. I think she got pinned in a corner. She was laws accident -ly, right? Got into a scenario. She couldn't get out of but on the other hand, I think maybe you could say that she's doing her best to escape. She just didn't know how yes she is. She was afraid. I don't know. I guess I just resist any. I don't think there's any need the humanizer Assi like. And she's criminal at the for others expensive herself. And it's true that she had to do that to survive. But a large reason she had to do that. The survive is because she has been Bain and cruel and entitled ever since she was a little child sort of self perpetuating go back and start blaming Taiwan for the way, she was raised, and you can blame the society for making her that she would never be as good as a man. But, you know all the forces that twisted her into the monster shape. She's in regardless. She is actually a fairly mon- monster shape at the end of this series, I agree. And that fact that sort of makes me not have any sympathy for her in the end for that scene to not really resonate with me. Right. And I'm saying, like I said, it's, it's important to humanize people excersi- because I don't want people to come away thinking that there's no way I could ever act in this way, you know, like I think, like a wise, human should always be on guard against their worst impulses and be aware of. Try to be as whereas their biases and how self serving we can be as much as possible, and the more power and more privileges. We have the more, we should keep that in mind in less. We want to live long enough to become the villain. So, but I'm also not gonna fucking cry. Oversee. I might a wish she had better death, more epoch death like dying peace relatively peacefully and instantaneously in the arms of your lover being comforted is doesn't sit well, with me, but, you know, that's like Fidel saying, I'm kinda I do kinda subscribe to little Judeo Christian. This should be some kind of, like I feel like Justice does require something more than that. But we don't live in a just world and for damn sure nobody and game of thrones does. Yeah. I think the closest they came to ever humanizing searching for me was the shame stuff that she went through with the sparrows that stuff came pretty damn close to making me, feel some kind of sympathy for her. Yeah. Well, not that, but like the. I think the reason you feel for C is because she's not getting Justice like these, these fucking high Spero's insane. Right. Right. So they're all bunch of fanatics. So it's like, yeah, you want be brought to Justice, but by someone that's saying, not my someone. That's even maybe more capricious saying, you want Justice to be righteous, not, not some kind of, you know, more fucked up version, right? Sir. C taking out right? Yeah. Josh f the capital, punishment example, Aron gave during the main podcast kind of ridiculous to me. I have to its rebuttal to people pointing out that the man she executed in season five as evidence that she was teetering on the edge of madness. But that simply does not compare in any way to the man being accused of an actual crime being given a trial and being executed, regardless of his guilt or innocence. Here's what happened the sons of harpies the heart attacks killing her Barrington and wounding grey worm, Danny, and her grief and anger gathered up his Dr and a few other Murray. Marinades noblemen broS who weren't slaves. Vers their parents were executed for that. Dana says nothing specific crime and simply scares them by talking about our dragons being hungry Dany than picks. One of them out of the lineup and has dragons burn and eat him alive without saying, shit, the him or even accusing him of anything. She does this purely as a fear tactic to others to talk, not as punishment, execution, and feels miserably because none of them were guilty. She even gets a crazy blood lusty look interface when she's talking about how they might all the innocent, and she should maybe let her dragons decide how is doing that in any way comparable to innocent people who are being tried for crimes using actual evidence and being wrongfully. Convicted being executed as punishment. Well, the problem with analogies is never perfect. And if you wanna tear them apart to find the one thing that invalidates that you certainly can. But the way I see the world is at least in America, I can't speak of anywhere in the country that I've been persuaded by many, many studies that just something between two and four percent of people and death row that are innocent, so governors, and there's like half the states in the union still practice some form capital punishment. The governors who could could could could pardon these, these men are saying that they're fine with one out of twenty people that the execute being innocent. I find that to be in opposition of the other frequently stated judicia judicial Justice principle in America, which it's better to let one hundred guilty men go free than to punish one innocent, man. And nevertheless, even though there's obvious hypocrisy and moral quandary that these governors. Face. I be very surprised for any of them to firebomb a US citizens, because they want to eliminate a gang or something. Right. So like that, like, Danny doing something that is justified in, like a very medieval kind of mindset when you've got terrorist attacking like like civilian targets and running roughshod over city. I'm not excusing that I'm just saying that, like, that's essentially the governor that would go ahead and not reprieve, a person knowing that one out of twenty those request is going to be an innocent, man than, than not being surprised that they're not going to indiscriminately, kill innocent people. Does that make sense? And if it doesn't I dunno if I can help you because, like, that's as clear as I can the analogy is not perfect. I'm just showing like trying to illustrate how I've you the world and the conclusions. I came from watching this episode. Heather L M curious on your guys is thoughts on the next episode though, second can I have another take on that Heather L? I'm curious on your guy's thoughts on the next episode as far as the following point. It feels like it's headed towards Danny dying. But what I haven't heard anyone talk about as drogue on's reaction to this. If in wind Danny dies, how will drug on take that is there enough of a bond that he will feel the loss and go on a path of destruction out of grief will John as and be able to calm and control him Willie fly off into the sunset back into the history books? I know this is a minor plot point. But it's been eating at me that I haven't heard anyone else discuss this. That's a great question. Because you've got the biggest baby in the world. It's very protective of its mother. You gotta have a plan to deal to drag in, if you're going to kill the dragon the mother of dragons. Yeah. I would think so. John has some affinity with these dragons to. But if he goes up and stabs Danny runs through right in front of drone doubt that's going to carry the day. Yeah. I don't I don't know what method they would have of dealing with drug on at this point. Yeah, I don't I don't know. Either. There's lots of pieces here to work with, like you've got the RA. He's a skilled assassin the might be able to. What did they kill Danny? And his aria wears Danny's face permanently just to be a surrogate mom for drogue on until he's ready to grow up move out of the house. Yeah. How many goats do they have could we can we get like a whole bunch of goats sort of bribes or gone into maybe we, can we can distract him leave some some goat crumbs, and he can follow the path out into the wilderness? And then we can kill Danny, and you're gonna come back and be like whereas Danny be like, I don't know. She left do drug on a die though. Because I, I would think it's just almost because it's just he's too big of a. The other thing is I don't know what kind of wrap up like what kind of I've always expected, that there'd be a least entire episode devoted to like, what west rose is going to be doing after all of this is done like what kind of trajectory, it doesn't seem like that's going to happen, if we get it's going to be like five or ten minutes at best, but I never thought that dragons would be part of western going forward because it's just too, you know, whoever has dragons has all of the defacto power, even if there is a even if there's some kind of constitutional monarchy with some kind of democracy. The person has a dragon has all of the power, they can share it. But if someone replaced them and had the dragon now then you're, you're fucked because you just can't go against it like it's two to one person avenue and no one else has nukes. So I think he's got a Di not just the pave the way for killing Danny. It could possibly be the someone. Just Geraldo sacrifice himself to kill Danny knowing drones gonna kill them. It could be. That's why we kept Bronco alive. And then drove on just kind of flies off to, like old Valeria or something like to live at the stoneman. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, like what LeBron's say Jamie, and Tyrian like you guys aren't allowed the die. You can die. You're not allowed to. You're not allowed to die by sword. Only. I'm allowed to kill you. Jamie's dead Tyrians? Not. I is there a scene Rotarians? Like look Braun you garden. You've got to fucking earn it one more thing. Danny's. I gonna give it to you. You have to do. So I could see he's that. He's already shot drogue on once before, also, there's no better offer on the table at this point, Ronn, right? Who's kind of pushed all his chips in the middle with Tyrian Jamie. Right. So I don't know. I would be I would I wouldn't be surprised as he brought involved in the disposition of drogue on Danny because otherwise what the fuck why bring him into season at all. Yeah. He'll be back. We'll see we'll see more time. Yeah. Mallory w. I know there's a pride the same take but I'll jump right in. I'm a metal Smith. So I've always been interested in the way game of thrones is used jewelry over the course of the series like you. I was captivated the moments leading up to execution when various removed as rings. This is a very deliberate act and there's a split second of focus where we get a glimpse of his rings, twisting around his finger. It looked me like there were several Jim stones missing from their settings. I think this is a clear indication of various trying to poison Dany as to show has hidden poison and jewelry before so to Santa's necklace, leading up to purple wedding. There's a long history of poison rings throughout our history. It doesn't look like various remove all of his. There's a larger signet ring, for example, that didn't seem like it was placed in the chalice. So I guess that there's more in store for these little rings other than five seconds of fame. Onscreen. That's that actually I love that because I think they did such a great job of subtle, the telling the story of the poisoning that if that's just another like it doesn't if you don't understand what he's doing. It doesn't affect a story at all. But if you do notice that there's missing gyms, and like all these are all my poison rings. It seemed like he was he probably newbies dead. But he's also various guy plays a percentage, I'm willing to burn evidence. I'm going to get rid of the poison rings and I'm not going to get any any reason to Dirk eras me. Maybe this'll be some kind of trial. And I can give myself out of it. Maybe I can appeal to. Yeah. So I had read about this theory yesterday. And I dismissed it out of hand because the evidence was non evidence. They were simply saying, hey, in the past they've used jewelry as a weapon bears takes off his jewelry. Maybe it's a weapon nobody had ever said. Hey, there might be there. Looks like there are missing gemstones, from the settings that to me is actually pretty interesting. And I think this is like a this is one of those theories Kyle. Kind of like God, damn it can't use this theory, because in games Wailers. Well, let me let me continue on that because then they went on to speculate on no evidence about the missing gemstones, that simply maybe he's taking them off to allow somebody else to find them and use them on, Danny later. That is a really hard sell to me because you're going to have to do some heavy lifting next episode early on to make that work. I think the previous not of him taking notice, like like noticeably taking his rings off and they've already had this kind of wave cared a little bird character. Right. The little bird would have to go to someone and be like, hey, said, highest risk high reward that's echoing ears, and she's a northerner, who's man. I mean now's the time she she'd go to John or Tyrian or somebody and say, hey, barris was actually planning to try to take out, Danny. He still got his jewelry in this bowl. Let's do it. But I don't know. She, she seemed very scared in the moment. The guards were watching her on, it'll be interesting. I think they can tell that story. I've just has to be done well, and at the moment, my stock in the double DS is pretty damn low. Let's move on to Kirk K. Ponente email. I think there's a case to be made the story told in the bills, actually outshines, red wedding, and the red wedding. We were shocked by this version of expectation that characters that we love will live. We are ultimately satisfied, and ultimately read on because the spy the shock it made narrative since and created compelling story. The bills we were shocked by this version of our love for certain characters, we're angry because, because our loved his characters is broken because we are blind to clear character flaws and made narrative since which to me is more shocking difficult impressive than red wedding. Most watchers still blind to taking an example, core character flaws that she relies on violence and she is not loved. She is not able to find paths forward with parties that do not absolutely agree with her on vision. The groups that love her have been acquired through violence and shared hatred. She lacks love and west Rosen is complete loss for how to move forward with Santa, who is reasonably different interests. She nicely summarized. The worldview, she solidified and. Esso's at the beginning of episode, sir seeks to use compassion as weakness but we will use it as our strength. The free future generations from tyrants, basically justifying any level of violence in the Suming. It will lead to love. She cared is a group of people the reasonably different interest as a chain on betrayers at the beginning of the episode. She recoils at any form of legitimacy that rest on a political process or love for the masses. I e when she discussed secession with Tyrian as an aside, I think Jamie's interests ending makes your on more tolerable, we needed a foil to oppose that him that exposed his love for C without subverting. The good man that he had become okay? I don't know what to say about that vinyl part. But. I mean, again, I, I don't know how else to explain this. I'm really totally fine with what, what went on with Danny? I just needed one little thing and felt to me like there was tons of little things that could have happened and the double DS through those pieces away for shock value for surprise for and gave those like the death of Ray gal the death of MS sandy, they get through those away for very little like narrative effect, and that's my opinion. And at this point, it's going to hard for me to be moved off of that. Because what you guys keep doing is further justifying foreshadowing. And telling me that this fall to nad Queen may makes narrative since, and I'm saying, I fucking agree. We both agree agree with you. Yes. I agree with you. How ever in that moment, nothing made sense. Right. The if you wanted to depict. Something where the foreshadowing led inevitably to this outcome. You have to do. You have to do something in that moment that. That is less than total victory because that's what she had total victory. And maybe she didn't have the love the people yet, but she had opportunities in front of her to earn the love of the people by sparing, this people by taking out only only the absolutely necessary pieces here. Right. And so, like, I think I've been using his, Luke Skywalker, example, wrong. So, like I've been saying, like imagine Luke skyward gets thrown room, and joins the emperor and kills his father. That's perfectly foreshadowed throughout the holy trilogy. Like that's prevalent outweigh to take Luke, I wouldn't have liked it and felt a bit. Like, I would have cried my fucking eight year old is out, and I burnt all my Luke Skywalker under ruse and the, you know, got rid of his action figures. I don't know what I'd done, but, like I wouldn't be narrative invalid and I'd be like okay that makes sense. Now imagine that he threw his lightsaber side, the emperor shocks shit out of him. He gets the thing that he wants his Vader redeeming himself, and he throws them of the reactor, and as Vader sitting there slumped over. Decide Luke runs his lightsaber throat through him throws him in the reactor pit soums control the death star and destroys the rebel alliance and, and rules the galaxy as the dark Djeddai that he was always supposed to become sure, that's fucked. That is super fucked, because there was nothing to justify once glue Queant through and got the thing he wanted why he just went evil except we went crazy or the dark side or whatever. And I just find that ultimately, if it's mumbo jumbo magical craziness or whatever it's not as not a satisfying, a person using their agency to, to get the goals that they wanted, and I don't know. Like, I don't know how Moore how better to explain it than that. I needed that one last thing. I needed that. You know, like like, if ater is rasping and says, glad you took care of the empire emperor. Now we need to go, kill your sister, right? So we can rule the get in through you take this. Dr. It but then that still win justify him like turning bullied. Be something that would would at the pinnacle victory push him over to the other side. And if you again, there's lots of reasons for people to smooth this over narrative Lee because it does make so much narrative into Matic since and it is a subversion. And we're trained to love versions of game of thrones. And I'm not begrudging you that I'm not begrudging you that I'm just trying to clearly accumulate communicate the actual problem, I have the plot. So we're not arguing about the things. I don't have a problem with okay? Anyway, Gregory him if dragon fire can destroy buildings with little issue as shown in episode eight oh, five and why is herons hall still standing fire and blood as well as world of ice. And fire and mentions. Melting the towers and it shows the melted towers and a second and third, seasons of the show. Larry in the black, dread was a much bigger was the biggest Garin dragon. And he did not lay waste to here and hall. So how much younger and presumably smaller dragon and drogue on do. So to the entirety of king's landing very good question. I think I think that like you could probably figure this out. There's some kind of material science in, in west row. Slake Herron hall was made out of this, like Blackstone material that probably is different than the bricks that king's landing are made on, which is essentially just bricks pottery, right? Let's let's mortar made of though, like wildfire wildfire mortar. Yeah. Wasn't didn't make a lot of sense in retrospect. But, but I'm not look. That's nitpicking. Right. I think, and I've certainly engaged in Nike -sually, enjoy engaging nitpicking as, as was the subtitle stuff the last episode but. I actually agree with you. I think that's a weird thing. I think it's weird to portray like that. But that's not the thing I'm up in arms about. And I think it's like there's a couple of other things. So the material science angle of drug on breathe fire and a beach. And it turned the glass, and he breathed fire in a field of grass, and burnt, you wouldn't be liable because you intuitively understand that you melt sand melts and grasp burns and I think it's that kind of situation but the other thing if you don't wanna go with that. Is that Bulgarian? The black dread. Breathed can honestly black fire was. What? I mean just like the undead the Syrian breathe, this hell Atias like blue glowing radioactive fire. There's other fire dragons ahead like gold, fire and read fire like and these are magical beast. So it's entirely possible because black fire is not a thing that actually exists in the real world that, that was a special property of Bulgarian the black dread that he his Blau car super melts at the Tomich level. It's like that. Air purification system. We were selling a couple of weeks ago, just rips rips, the castle structure, part at the molecular level, or maybe that's the drogue on thing and Bulgarian had the black fire, which is more of a melting type of fire. I don't know Simi Simi, magical demi-god like beings. It's going to be very hard to explain it from a Bill Nye, the science guy type of perspective. Right. And that is the emails that is the spoiler addition, we had this week. But as everyone knows we are not done with game of thrones. There is yet another episode that has a lot of stakes because I do think there is a lot of people in the middle. There's a lot of people that are willing to clear fan, bankruptcy and try to see if we can get something that's emotionally satisfying something that maybe make some prior plots make more sense. High stakes high risk episode coming up this Sunday. And we only got promises that we will be on the air shortly after doing a live podcast on it for club members. 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The Value of Understanding Personality Types in the Workplace

The Impact of Leadership

30:01 min | 7 months ago

The Value of Understanding Personality Types in the Workplace

"One of my favorite quotes from the Office series comes in the Casino night episode when Michael Says to Toby who's their HR person. Why are you the way that you are honestly? Every I try to do something fun or exciting. You make it not that way. I hate so much about the things that you choose to be. Welcome to the impact leadership. Podcast where we believe that no one drifts into excellence. I'm your host sheer and in this episode. We're covering not only why people are the way they are but also is. Hr standing in the way whether we admit it out loud or not. We've all wanted to avoid a colleague over the years who just rubs us the wrong way to direct or they share too much information. Maybe they're just go with the flow type people that you just can't get a read on how they feel like ever our conversation today with to HR professionals. Becky juggle them. And Shawn Halloran. Becky is a friend of CCB and somebody that we utilize as an additional outside resource for the more intricate. Hr issues that sometimes pop up business. Sean is a certified disc trainer and the person who led our entire company through disc training. Recently so what is disc? How all this fit together? Well I'll let the professionals take it from here. Let's start with you explaining. Maybe more in this can be either one of you explaining What disc is and maybe how. It's different from other assessments. Come sure a lot of people listening and will know something about personality assessments. And things like that Sir. Thanks for having us today. A my name is Shawn. Halloran disc is a leading personal assessment tool used by over one million people every year term prove work productivity teamwork and communication. It was developed from research and theory spanning from Eighty Years by Dr William Marston He was a professor at Columbia University. the disc model provides a foundation piece and a common language that people can use to discuss what behaviors they share with others. And what they do differently. Disc is different from other assessments because it focuses on behavior Based on how people view themselves in their various environments versus other assessments they versus how people approach the environment intellectually and attitude really and how they process information so the the framework of disk is to help increase improve a better communication within organizations things like that by understanding yourself. Better understand those around you but if you could help myself those of US listening understand each of the categories so disks stands for something. So what is it that these things stand for? What are the categories like? Some of the some of that kind of groundwork would be helpful to sure. Disc uses a four quadrant approach. Where an employee's behavior style will fall under If you were looking at a circle the top left quadrant would represent dominance where a person places emphasis on accomplishing results. The bottom line and a confidence of the person show behaviors and seeing the big picture and these people could be quite blunt They accept challenges and they get straight to the point. Okay and so. That's D- dominance. Then we've got the rights top quarter in a which would represent influence This was where a person places emphasis on influencing or persuading others They are Obain and enjoy building relationships. Their behaviors include showing enthusiasm. They are optimistic. They like to collaborate and they disliked being ignored. I am an influencer. See so it's do you got that way down in the lower right quarter. Quadrant represents steadiness. Where a person places emphasis on cooperation sincerity and dependability? This aisles behavior includes not like being rushed. They have a calm manner. And they're approachable. The are supportive and have humility. Okay and then. Finally the the lower left quadrant represents conscientiousness where people place emphasis on quality and accuracy expertise and competency. Their behaviors include enjoying independence objective reasoning wanting details and the fear of being wrong. So you said Sean. The year I I know that I'm I tested and I can kind of turn this up or down but I was. I was like I d kind of a thing. what are you? Becky is well. I do veer closely to the ideas while though so if you ask people that work closely with me or even my clients. I think sometimes they definitely would probably guess that I am a D so I can turn that on or off or down a notch when I need to as well. So H R roles Historically or stereotypically I wouldn't categorize. Hr folks as you know is more outgoing more Super Energetic. Put more on the cautious. Like let's just take it slow here. the stereotypical from the office toby. Hr Person's got a squashing fun. But you're both very fun and energetic. So how do you correspond? How do you? How do you put those things together? The personality types in the job roles and it not necessarily being with the stereotypes are we all have all the quadrants It's just where our strengths are. And at that moment of time network taking maybe possibly the assessment okay What's more in eight and so whereas becky wishes saying she's an ID in a couple years she could be fully or in the same thing for me. I've taken the disc about five different times and I've fluctuated from an eye to an I. S. But we all use all the different quadrants and it depends on our situation possibly our audience And some other variables there so This is this out of the way because I think I already know the answer. But which one of these is the best on them. Steve Backing so obviously. Cb were believers in this thing. I'm a believer myself. I've been able to experience it but so for those of us that are listening in the folks that are listening and who haven't experienced this training or the assessment. What are some of the goals that you all are wanting to accomplish when conducting this training or when somebody's stepping into taking the assessment during the training we want everyone to get a better understanding of the dimensions of Disk like we just went through right now we want them to review and discuss their individual styles? I'm everybody takes assessments. Everybody has a profile and We wanted that overview We want them have a better understanding of the interplay of their disc style and others regarding their work relationships While discussing ways to adjust their style to increase communication effectiveness. That's the goal and I think It really is like the puzzle. Pieces no coming together. So no right or wrong answer and you know sometimes they might be perceptions at one style is better than other but the reality is if you didn't have all four of those coming together and maybe butting heads at different times they're having different perspectives. I you really do need all four of those squadrons coming together to really drive change and be as successful and profitable as you can be as an organization so it's it's really understanding the differences everybody else including yourself. And how do those? I'll pull together so you right into my next question actually becky when you said kind of butting heads and things like that so let's talk about it a little bit talk about conflict. So how does disc approach conflict in the workplace? And what would you WANNA say about conflict in of Disk in the workplace? Yeah conflict and you heard me say it and both ends. It isn't negative and it's not positive it just is. It's how we decide to respond to. Its how we're using our styles and thinking about other people styles when trying to come up with the best solution and the most effective way and you know I had several conversations with some of your employees saying like. Hey listen absolutely I have some maybe different ideas? But you're right. I'm I'm not trying to win. I just wanted to be heard and sometimes I feel it's challenging being heard so this tool is going to help me I feel change tweak my style so that I can be heard that somebody will understand that we can come to that compromise. I thought that was great. Every every style has the strength and then the opposite side of that things areas of opportunity or whatever we want to phrase it If I wasn't being eloquent I would say you know. There's the strengthen the weaknesses or the kind of thing over uses overuse this sure so when it comes to conflict thinking of the D I s C different south. What are some of the things that you've seen in The workplace in taking the assessment. And doing the trainings. However you want to phrase it what does it look like for the different personality? Types struggle with conflict are some more prone to conflict or something like. Hey I'm just gonNa hit this go straightforward to do the thing or other people gonNA shied away from it. What does it? Where does that fall? Where does it look like? I mean take these to pass day sessions. You know there was a lot of conversation. I think around Some people that were a d. And saying well my perception was they. Were giving me a short answer. Maybe that they weren't possibly interested or didn't connect with me and through the session and this was just so happened to be somebody that was I and then also happened with somebody who was like now. I'm getting to see that. That's not necessarily true that that is a strength of theirs being direct getting to the point. And I'm seeing that as not a strike but now I've self realization that I could not perceive it in that fashion or even ask them maybe for some more clarity and trying to partner with them or not even possibly avoid them. Because I felt that I wasn't building relationship with that individual to me. That would be an example. I think that Not necessarily always but sometimes the assets right because they want everybody to get along and just create harmony and all of that so they might sometimes be tend to view at viewed as Conflict avoiders right because they just want to keep the peace they ruffle the feathers That kind of thing. Where you know like your dis might be viewed as they're creating more conflict or whatever or even the analytical people this is where they're asking lots of questions and maybe challenging different ideas and staff and and certain styles may view that as they're trying to create conflict or trying to be difficult And it's really just them trying to create that clarity and analyze things so I think it's some people might be viewed as like all day like to have conflict and then others like to hide behind it based on their style to one of the things that was said in the training today Think I can't remember who it was. But he was giving recap from their group exercise And said that sometimes the storytelling almost becomes too much. Just give it give us the ballpoint. What needs to be done? The action items that kind of thing and I bend towards the storytelling side of things which you all saw this short break. They've got extended. Because I was telling stories about Fiji and other things But realizing that it does it does help that. They're not sometimes. People aren't as trying to be steam rollers or doormats. But they're bend is toward giving you an answer trying to fix a thing or listening and you've got to kind of draw that draw that out of people so Tracking with you so much with. How disc is formed and what it could form and what the structure of Disk. I should say is so now. Help US connected to company culture. The last two days at sea to be. We've done the training. That's great unless we don't put it into practice so connected to company culture and those listening in might feel stock that the company is always going to be that the way it is Wherever they're at. And how does the DISCUSISNG HELP INCREASE MORALE INCREASE COMPANY CULTURE? Things like that. Say to people after day session Don't give up. Take you know. One of the exercises that we conducted today was like think about two situations that you would like to approve upon and Upon your own self development but your managers. I'm your liters can help partner with you following up on that Utilize your behavior sal and retake at that. I'll take a look at some of the people that you're working with on what their strengths are and remind yourself of have. I received any of those things as an overuse I think in wrapping some sessions The session of we were talking about creating a common language. That's what we're sending here. We're creating this common language so we can have these conversations and not only that but the safe environment to discuss it that it's okay. Screw that in. I'm crossing if I feel like I have communicated in a way that I'm not feeling good about I could tell the other individual no matter what behavior style that they are right and that's we can work together and overcoming it But don't give up. This is change. Change is inevitable If we give up every time something is new and uncomfortable because let's call it what it is. Some of these things could be very uncomfortable for people to try to approach we. Would we would never you know? Get to some of our goals and things like that. Would you say to somebody? That's listening and it's like well this is just like fluffy soft skill. Lovey dovey stuff. What would you would you say to them to encourage them to that? This is important. I would say have courage to Have some skin in the game. Take the assessment and then let's talk because I think you know in the past two sessions yet. Exactly what we did. He's there were probably people came into those and I've had previous class like this is soft. This is fluff. I'm not really sure why here. And then after the two four hour stint like oh my gosh you know this was right. Spec on and it's incredible now to see it on paper you know. Maybe I've thought about some things in her head and that was sort of disgust to see it on paper boy it. There's some validity there and as I discussed a few moments ago. This isn't just something that weighs created based on. Hey I think I'll create this behavioral communication assessment. This is over. Eighty years worth of research and development that came from a professor that over Y- millions of people take every year. So there's got to be you know some triviality to this scheme response I found that I don't know if it's page four or five of Of The assessment. But where we did the check mark thing like what do you agree with what you know? Put a axe next to ones don't agree with and this is for those of you. That are visual like myself. You can envision piece of paper that basically Somebody that's in your head telling you who you are you reading this this paper about yourself and I found myself laughing and this is the third time I've read this but I put I think counted thirty seven. Check marks on my page. Because I didn't do it just based on paragraph I did with each sentence is it. True is not true So I found that it was very helpful. That way So HR folks tend to have some of the best stories You work with people and so do I. But you were repeated on a very special ways to sometimes Are Crazy like me. Maybe or Other folks yet to be named or not to be named. But if you would I would love to hear a story or two about before and after disc you know before they came in. And maybe they were tight-lipped in ended up being great or maybe the crazy wasn't so good after disc and why not from Your Assessment. Like why didn't get better after the DISK? Assessment or destroying. I think it's easy for people with any training. Not even just desk right. You'd go through the training at all. Sounds really great. And then you leave the room and you're back to the day to day and you don't put it into practice and you don't talk about it so. I think and I'll use an example. You know we trained to the leadership team almost two years ago and I will say you know I work closely with all of you guys from a leadership perspective and I think you guys have really taken it to heart. You talk about it a lot. You've had some challenges and you've tried to utilize it as a tool to really come together and understand one another and improve that communication with yourselves and your now trying to do that with the rest of the so you put literally the entire organization through that And are really going to push and drive people to be mindful and be aware and focus on themselves to improve the communication so to me. That's a win already So you know I. I love seeing that people are changing and I thought I've seen changes You know even Patrick. I can see that he really has taken it to heart. He's a self aware and tries to modify his style when he needs to in certain situations. So I think it's really great if you believe in it and you put it to practice seeing it from the top down Patrick being the owner the CEO and him believing it one thing again like you said it's one thing to print off the the workout regiments a whole `nother thing to get up in the morning and do sit ups. But he's taking on himself to pullback where he needs to pull back and lean in lean in So that was a great answer a very politically correct answer while I was kind of digging for a little more dirt but but if we needed to deliver that's perfectly fine so I guess John to you. If you want to being politically correct you can't mention any names or any companies out there but And I loved. Were really love to tie it back to. Ccb But You know it's rather session us. I'M GONNA put myself out there and ADP. I mean I I my behavior pattern is or my style is an I and I'm very fast paced and very energetic. I'm already onto the next project before I gave an example of my computer being broken. And you know it seems like a little thing but for me it's sacramental and traveling constantly and I had to stop in and work with somebody from it. This is before we even knew anything right arm. I haven't even taken desk. I'm in front of them and I'm like I needed to yesterday. Can we get it done? And it was like the deer in the headlights luck and you know I could see as a communicator. Like oh my gosh. I've got to take a step back. And then as I became more acquainted with desk or became the facilitator and things like that. I'm like you know what I just totally random over my I ran over and like his style and we had a conversation. His style was more of us. See S and with that being more call more analytical needed to understand why some of the components of it so I've rethought my approach of course in any other future communications. He listen though. I really would love to Venice yesterday. Did you have any time for me today? And what is that look like in your world is one of those crazy stories. But these are day to day situations that affect the average Joe that ended up making I think a bigger mountain of Mohel because then if something bigger happens because we didn't communicate effectively than half your company is about right and we're talking about a whole different thing. Something between the two sessions in the eighteen months ago ish that the management team went through it was reaffirmed again today I didn't say downstairs because I was trying to pull back my my bend to all Giddy and freaked out and excited about this stuff but I find that this type of thing whether it's disk but especially this because that's what we implement here but anytime we somebody leans into a personality assessment with the motivation of learning someone else's. Bend someone at someone else's tick what what that thing is that pushes them. It seems to be a great way to bridge the gap from not trusting. Someone entrusting someone. Because you sean during the during the The training you kept saying that this is a safe place and I kept thinking well. It wouldn't be safe. We didn't trust each other. You know and so this whole disk stuff really stands on. It seems like in my opinion. I'm not certified so don't take but it seems to stand on top of something else which to me would be trust because if we're going to really implement this stuff and apologize and say Sorry steamrolled you or Using Myself Myself and Patrick we've been meeting melody. Vp Marketing and which is rattling off ideas. And it gets really overwhelming for her Has In the past and we've had to learn to say. Are we doing that thing where we overwhelming? And she's like well kind of because I'm trying to think of how to do the things that she doesn't believe it's not that she doesn't think it's great ideas. She's trying to figure out how to put it in place so with that. Trust being there. She's we've actually seen it work where we trust each other enough to I guess verbally vomit on each other once in a while and forgive and move on and move past that so I guess that would lead me then to. I make an assessment of the assessment. That if trust isn't in place and correct me if I'm wrong if trust isn't in place I don't think this would take hold. Is that accurate? Hide what do you think trust has to be earned right and I think what were throwing ourselves into these sessions that there may have been some situations that have already happened in the past. But we're trying to talk about. Let's clean slate here. Groom creating new language here. Let's all try. Let's give it the good old college try and you know we gotta go for it because if we just say nope. We're not going to do it. That's not the answer. I don't think that's what Patrick's looking for in a way. It could be a good way to build more trust or build the trust. If it doesn't exist getting comfortable being vulnerable putting yourself out there being aware of who you are and being okay with the he not like you like Sean said overwhelming. It person are when you're overwhelming melody you you're there to show them that you're respecting like that. You're overwhelming them in. Not so even. If the trust isn't necessarily there from the get go it's actually a tool. I think that you can actually build build trust within team's screwed and follow us with one of your core values. I mean on your website. You have talk about integrity Patrick talks about integrity. All the time and those go hand in hand and once again. I mean this isn't you Hermes citizen the session. We're not telling everybody they have to be best friends. Go out for cocktails or go out to dinner afterward. But we are asking people to have Trust and respect and integrity when working with other people and taking that leap of faith and applying these new tools and resources to want to overcome any obstacles that we may have had. Everything's built on communications. We cannot do anything together at CCB without communications and Let's do it together. It's good so there's a ton more that we didn't touch I mean we were you know between the two days you have been here. You know eight ish hours and then plus the podcast recording which thank you again for taking time to do this but there's tons. I didn't touched on touch on as wind. This thing down as we kind of land the plane here. What do you want to leave us with? Where should we start for those of us that are leaning into this conversation? The companies that I've seen that have had the hugest success with disc have continued to implement ways of keeping alive and their culture. It's you know. And it's having people believe in it from the top down which is phenomenal because we started there right. We started there a little bit over a year and a half ago with leadership. Leadership joined the sessions not because they were participating over the past two days but because they wanted to make sure that everybody knows we're bought into this we believe in it and it's working and so I ask you know it's not just up to leadership it's everybody. Let's all you know start to utilize the tools and resources and we can partner with the ideas. We're not just asking for ideas from Patrick. Grow your leadership team can I? What can I have? Ideas does does everybody. Have you know one of the takeaways? Two ways in which they think that they can implement some of their the different that they've learned today. I don't know meet with their leader. Saying hey this is how I'm partnering and Moving Forward Maybe they've had a challenge with a project. We'll let me take a step back in late. Let me look at that project. Is it because somebody's not hearing my message? How can I use what I learned today to clarify that message? And by the way we can have so much fun with it. I think somebody in class as walk. I find the challenge. I know who I am. I'M GONNA forget who everybody else's okay. Let's have some fun with this. We talked about placing cards and people's areas of works. When you're walking or if you need to check like Oh that's right. I forgot the SL. We conduct an activity where replacing descriptors of our Styles on the big circle A great way to take a look at that again There's so much out there. There's other resources. There are websites the my disc website is a website that some of I think the leaders may be familiar with men after you take the assessment and I believe it's my everything disc dot com. You can get even more information out there. They do present some ideas. There are some additional books out there. There was a book that I shared with our sessions. It was taking fly by a miracle. Daniel Silvers Walks through the quadrants again is a nice. You know. Friendly overview give some examples of some nextstep activities other books positive personality profiles by Robert Aron. Phd It's another one but you also you have wonderful leadership. That's taken the time to support this communication initiative utilize them as the resources and they are. They're their leader their mentor. There are resource for you so if we're feeling like we're getting stock we don't have to feel that way let's open it. Open the door During the AB anybody can utilize desk by baking. Go you know straight to disk directly as well if they're not an ADP client and Go through the process just as we've described today to go through the assessments and all that directly with desk as well well described as people get analogies and stories that You can go to the gym and throw some weights around and you get real sweaty and sore but it doesn't mean you're doing the workouts appropriately so thanks for being a personal trainer with this whole disk thing. We've appreciated you both because it matters a lot more when the muscles are sore on purpose that are actually gonna get stronger versus your back out and doing the workout wrong. So thank you both for for not just the training the conversation here and the willingness to be a resource. We'll have that The books that you mentioned and the website in the show notes for this episode as well. So thank you both much for this conversation. It's been very valuable. Appreciate thank you take away an action item first of all the takeaway. Hr is not a roadblock but a guide to help increase morale in company culture. Not The toby from the office. Stereotype action item ask your HR person professional outside resource. Whatever what do you have available at your disposal that you and your team could tap into similar to disk lead by being the one to ask about it. Then be the first one to take the assessment. Whichever one it is well. If you've gotten value from episode please pass it along to someone else or bring it up with the next networking events that you attend and as I usually say. Pass along the kindness. Give us a five star review and whatever. App You're using and maybe just maybe also do a written review of what you thought about this episode and what we're doing here with the impact leadership podcast itself. Well thank you for your time. If you want to connect with us you can shoot us. An email at impact podcasts that CCB technology dot com. Or you can check me out directly linked in to search Steve Sheer. That's the platform. I use most frequently but more importantly from all of us here at C. C. B. We're grateful for you and thanks for listening.

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Episode 10  Guess Whos Coming to Dinner?

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Episode 10 Guess Whos Coming to Dinner?

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Bad people I promise. I should redouble my efforts to get a good clean supply. Hopefully that'll come down a bit. We have secured the missing. Lenton mentioned in my last letter and are soon to pacify a restless haunt which may open away forward but every step forward threes up another obstacle I shall assist with the assistance of my small group of followers with certainly one and perhaps two exceptions could not wish to brave. Banda fellows more news as soon as I have it and may I enrich the family yet much beyond the hopes of my original mission may the Golden Petals of good fortune settled lightly upon you cuffed then. Hello Poa Aka Cuthbert out splinter. I'm joined by Mike Aka Fron Guide Storyteller Elmich. Hello Welcome to the Hilton podcast before my can I continue to chat about the goings on the podcast? We just wanted to recognize. These are indeed strange and difficult times for everyone yet and of course we urge you to stay safe. It's sincere hope that the adventures of our hatless band of heroes conserves. Some kind of distraction for you escape even and importantly possibly to help remain indoors with that done. Let's dive back into. We will turn into reality of our podcast and see what information. I can extract from Mike. I'm really enjoying this book. H Worms adventure path. The whispering Ken and it feels like we're all kind of settling down into account as a lot when we were. But we're doing a lot more role playing the MR for starters. What was the way of putting it? We would just kind of rolling dice on a Games board. Weren't we some more than others? But yes we we have tended to treat the DA's abusive Technical Square based Combat Board Game. But we're really enjoying the use of the podcast has an opportunity to expand a bit or interpretations. I think we are. I'm enjoying so I think it's good but what I wanted to do for. The purpose of this episode is just talk a bit more about the world vegetables the set in because I kind of get the feeling that it's a little bit fuzzy around the edges. If you know what I mean. How much do you actually is a? That is an outrageous accusation. Have you the world in which the adventures set and I don't want to be more specific about? Its name than that. Won't that's don't true. There is a name I just like to refer to it as a world in which the story is set for. Now it's a world that I said adventures in before that you may or may not remember it. I've been even star. I've run an adventure. Based in the city of even stone and even star takes the place of the original age wounds eventually takes the place of the Grayhawk which is which is going to default setting. Which are I don't know that much about and I felt more comfortable setting the story in an environment that I felt I could kind of a gave me a bit more freedom to fill it villainous walking into the anti again a little bit more freedom to build the well to suit the story yes and I felt a little bit more confident and comfortable in the history and it like for example. The Pantheon of Gods and the calendar which is served. Yeah so I thought I would go for that. There are a couple of other options. You could set it in the sword. Coast deep fair and all of that or you could set it in Aron neither of which I particularly familiar with either and frankly I'm also I'm running another game set in deep so that was a holiday from that that's it. That's that's the world you got lovely calendar pretty it goes stupid names identical. Come to you as a as a shock that the city of Evens Dr Features in our story at a later stage and so we will we having that city fairly well laid out and I have I have. You won't believe this but I do have maps and stuff where you are maps of the city and I have. It's there is in fact guide. There is even open the thing I sent. Did you guys know that? Okay well you should. There's a guide to this world. With all of the Pantheon of gods the politics the history geography and Cuthbert's sixteen. He's not interested in. That is interesting in what's fictional character. Pull not so. You're saying so deeply into the role playing experience that you're not reading this stuff. I send you because cuff but wouldn't well. That's that's I think I've told you the question and I think you should get on with introducing the readers. That's what I think. Readers that's optimistic Rita reader right. Okay please don't forget to rate review and subscribe on your podcast up of choice and look for some facebook twitter or blowing hilltop dot com. You can also email us at the hello. At billing hilltop Tacoma so without any further rumblings will delay. Please enjoy episode. Guess WHO's coming into a eighth everybody aid. Let's play some D. Where were we? Oh yes this is where we were now. So the thing is by the way. This evening's bid is a sorcery by Magic Berry and his absolutely delicious and on the subject of beer often goes to the pub and one might have say three or four. Maybe more pints than one might meet a friend in the street with a bottle of hard liquor. Have a couple of drinks of that and then you think I know what we should do. Let's go out to the old observatory. See what's going on up there and you kind of fumble about with a lock and you break your lock. Pick he stagger up the stairs. You get the door open and don't really realize that you're pissed until skeletons jump out from behind the furniture and attack. You is the situation with which we find in Wallingford and let me just the other day. Yeah so let's have initiative initiative for ship but thirteen parker. Would you get any three twenty three four grim bold twenty one for me from brought twenty three? It's a speedy initiatives. Cuthbert gets a twenty one. Point gets twenty one and cusp against the twenty one and finally sessions eighteen. I thought I was quick but I seem to be quiet and Let's roll for the three skeletons. So you've climbed up the stairs to this. The entrance to the side of the Observatory and Cuthbert has gingerly opened the main doors. Kind of crazy moon design on them and sort of mad scribblings and so forth. He has peaked into the room and he could hear some weird singing from deep inside the building. I said a whispery. And that was pretty much it. And then as he poked his head in. There was effectively a barricade of furniture or part of furniture in the northern. Half OF THE ROOM. And it this is burst asunder. And there are three skeletons leaping out at you. Let's so what the thing with. Grim bold and sessions is there the bottom of the stairs so they could see the other guys at the top on the landing? They can see Cuthbert so the door his period in. And then you hear kind of clatter of what sounds like chairs and furniture sort of bouncing around and a sort of rally would sound skeletons make rattling noise like somebody dropping is either phone and what to do grumbled right. I'm going to a force life So I get another eight hit points and then I am going to proceed up the stairs by some halfway up the stairs Cuthbert. It's you now you think Cuthbert that the company is going to get protection check. Yeah I CONSIDER HIM UPSET. Texas music merges go I know a perception and get an enormous twelve. You think the singing has stopped. Yep Okay I mean it was quite in the first place. You're not hundred percent certain but you just can't pick it up and there was a momentary clatter as these things appeared and they're standing rattling in front of you but you think the singing stopped in the background. The other thing that you think is that the floor of this room is so scattered with Deborah and Cran. That is probably difficult ground. Okay and there's another thing can you? Do you have medicines skill? Do I have a medical skill? I have an zero medicine skill. Okay do you WanNa make it just wisdom check getting seven which seems to be a number of choice? Ain't nothing to worry about that. Okay at what you WANNA do. Cuthbert's as a ways is a terrified keen to be at the front so he's going to obviously can't go in all the way to them. There's a barrier between him and them at the moment isn't there. Yeah you think again. I think that's the difficult ground covers. So the everything's tottering. I was in bits of broken bits. Yeah I wouldn't get too so I'm GonNa do is. I'm going to make my way into the room. I'm probably going to move sixteen foot into the room ten inside the doorway. But I've got both my weapons out and I think I'm really intrigued by what these things I've never seen since before. So obviously I'm kind of big didn't like what on living not animated ones. Can you give me a constitution? Save a constitution say E C Nine Constitutions. Easy nine constitution safe. I can do that right now. Getting a vast thirteen okay. Fine you've had you've sunk a few points but you don't think it's impairing your ability and we'll move on to Parker Parker. What do you want to do? You're at the top of the STAZ. You've got the doors open in front of you and Catherine it's just let through it. What as far as I can see at the moment. They are at the other side of the room. Make make a quick perception check eye. Perception chick was five. Can you give me a wisdom? Check medicine check if you have. It caught us a three okay. Fine well I will just follow in and stand next to cuff Cuthbert and we move onto down to the bottom of the stairs outside Sessions EP. Well I think I will cautiously move up the stairs. Still no clear what's happening at the top so I will move to next to grumbled and yes contemplate life. I don't know what's happening here. I'm not sure anyone's told me so. I will just slowly advance with grim yet. Nobody knows nobody says they shouted out. What about Purple Purple? You're out in the landing you can occur and piled in and you can hear rattling crashing. I'm going to go and stand behind Cuthbert but before I do. I'M GONNA look down at sessions and say some skeletons pop into the room I signal I understand. Yep Okay and then I will do. I'm hesitant because every time nobody can remember what it does. Body can spearation on Cuthbert but first of all BURP. Can you make a perception check? And D- have medicine skill. They have the medicine skill at one. Second please Allah medicine. No okay there you want me to make perception perception shake and you can make it just a straight wisdom yet. Betty crashed into the back. Straight wisdom's check for medicine. Yeah Yeah strictly some checkup yep you. It's your actually perfectly placed to maintenance judgment looking at these skeletons. There is something strange about them. There is something strange about their physiology. Got Deformities like little deformities or pits in the skull and other kinds of changes that you think you remember from when you were very small as being a sign of the Red Death Marvelous figures. Play that killed. The family knew anyone to be hit by these creatures to be the these could be the family members once again. Graham says one thing and it's massively wise. Yeah I mean I send this stuff to grab before. We Start Graham Scott set of envelopes that I sent an advanced times written on. Yes so you think that you think these these these skeletons probably skeletons because of the red death so these could be the bones of the family because the room just said. Really precipitive arguable. Paul Paul Yeah Chechen trying to make it sound wise. He's going to send you a tenor seven ten instagram. That's that's what you notice and your position is rubbish. What'd you WANNA do? You WanNa do the spell. The body inspiration one six. Get on a saver. There we go there we go. That's tell us again. What do you mean saying an attack or a safe thing? Yeah okay. That's what you're doing. And then it's then so they just kind of run towards even clamber. They can't make it to you because the difficult ground wobbly but they they move move so they basically going sick each spread out a bit. But yeah and then it's GonNa take session grumbled at least enough of three rounds to get to a second to find something else today and then let's go back to the top of the shop out on the stairs. Limbered just wondering. Do you think should be beefing? This dungeon out three skeletons happens on skid light from the back famous now not even in the same building up to the top of the stairs because it slow movement on doing a move move on top of the stairs. Yup quaking in facing trees. Tillerson's I think you should just. I think we should just leave the room and leave them to grumbled because I find that easy. Evidently it's after three threes goes against the fully-owned party light such so says lots of challenge. Not so we'll give you a challenge. We'll step aside and you can deal with. It doesn't appear you want anyone anyone well. I will take a step. It's obviously not a five step process. Become through those. Let's on difficult Grand Anyway. Not In gangs. Even if you somehow slip into an alternate reality everything possible and then I will be doing. I the thumb with the Rape here which is attacking at Seventeen. Seventeen is a hit. Only five points of damage. Five points of damage can second attack with the shoop sold the plus twelve macos twelve is a miss and it is owned. Parker right well as cuff seems to have stepped in front of me. You thought diagnosis that as well. I will take a social attack. The same wanted that you're attacking the guns so I would always also take a five foot next at a Catholic And then first of all I will letting him lodging in with the she lali so not hits class. Thirteen is a hit doing. Did you call contract? Nine points of damage nine puts damage. Could it yup is still alive? Yup and then the other one is the hit with the Patou's flame is the cost to spell. Yeah I did that. If you remember the last step second we went into the room. Okay Arba class seven and we move on extinguished sessions leaper K. sessions is going to continue upstairs quite very keep seeing a grim boat. Quaking in this beats moved to the top of the stairs and I think that's from there. He will ready and action is able to turn things. Yes excellent. He will ready A healing spell. Should it be needed this round? Okay and we won't Bertel happy. Buffalo is entirely unprepared. So berthel is going to do is going to step very bravely behind Cuthbert. Oh the bravery yeah yes. He's very very just making making sure. The green belt has a clear lines of an attack to going charge. An I'm going to do a F- level heroism spell. Yes on capit- K. Let's economy. Why do I need Harrison because already very heroic? Okay wait and then it was all right so so basically heroism Gives you basically temporary? Hit points of me the main thing and it gives you temporary hit points every round so three temporary hypocrites around. Yeah but not. For Ten rounds. Thirty point it's just three well that's that's the DMZ. Obviously we have to go with the ruling but getting back into this. I thought the idea that you tried to sneak that one. Frankly quite good. I was like I was. Let's see the a second in the penultimate round. You get twenty-seven extra hit points that it's twenty four around before that it's twenty one he's GonNa have like a hundred and seventy hit points. Learn in what I'm saying. Is You get three per round. But the threes cumulative so after ten rounds you have talked to the thirty extra hit points which it isn't another wise. Thanks for sure grams being very wise today actually but I think that You cost extra. Hit points around. Thank you thank you And then scalise skeleton one is going to go four talk and try and be mature people out. There are other guys line. Three Parker four to six customer. It's cuff but he's going to be and it's going to hit us. Six that I would admit is a disappointment. Enraged by its failure. This other one's steps up to Cuthbert well has a short cuthbert and hits Arba close. Oh I'm across twenty one seventeen. You take the following damage as recognized by the International Damage Council. You take eight points of damage. That's pretty nasty at the risk of revisiting. Okay I just wanted to. I just want to read what it says about the heroism spell and so on so spans. The creature is immune to being frightened against temporary. Hit points equal to your spell casting ability modifier at the start of each each about temporary. Hit points yeah received temporary. Hit points and points. You've already got. It replaces them when the spell ends to talk. It loses any remaining temporary. Hit points from this spell. Still doubts anyway. Yeah worth a try. Count due to false lives now. Well you can but you replace the first one with the second one anyway. This other one's GonNa go see I see. That's what's been going on that ruling Ashley Lost Fifteen Catholic Class Fifty K. So you take a further six points of damage Q. Took the child is frowned. Take three after that nine. That means that you've got if I get one of thirteen points left and we move on to grumbled grumbled. The brave thirteen hit puts left. Got Points lift could needs for everybody. grumbled which. WanNa do right. You're doing something you might five years to me I roll. A fourteen is a accessible this week. He's Zap it with your fault one of the ten points. I'm inch eight two points NAMI. That's pretty successful. Okay that very much I might just go topless days slightly do away and she's just craven nothing craven about towards just experience. I think I'm going to come and join you gonna come and see what the view looks you are. What's called a frontline pie tissue? Instead of right next to you well now is your chance to basically disengaged has gotten some uneven smack grumbled on the top of the head. It's your round. I still haven't properly beaten him up killing a baby bear on some help. Yeah which is wind or anything. That's an old joke right. In which case again shoot sued clause twenty four? Which are you going for the one in the left and middle on the right the one I had previously one on the right K. Yup To hit twenty four doing nine points of damage nine points damage it bursts apart in our little shower of ribs and femurs and little bits. And then I'm going to do my rapier one. That's now in front of me for UNPLUG. Nineteen is hit and I am doing total damage all four points. Four hours okay. Then I can't move out the way. Undetectable gingy you would In which case. I'm going to then do a quick second wind and recover some points plus two recovering eight points. Eight points hit points. I can't talk another three ten pre hypoxia. Just take right as well as the as the one. Right in. Front of me has now been pulverized. I will attack the one in front of pocket cusp. Yaakov principal strangely enough. Best using my class eight loops hit the and then the on. An strike now has no flame. Thirteen cost thirteen thirteen. Is it okay? So that's four points have damage four hundred on the Middle Skeleton. It's looking a little bit. dented but still going sessions. What a session. Sunday sessions is going to move on a bit curious. 'cause grim bolt has kind of retreated. I thought he was yeah coaching. Today's top so he's GonNa move onto the landing yet here through the door. Aw yes and then. He's going to try something quite novel. Because it's only a spell is chronic damage that identity that will help to. He's going to fire his crisper. Hasn't used this before so this could be interesting at the skeleton. That's nearest him. Well we'll see with the dice roll. We may discover that he hasn't even loaded welcome to the panther super tension. Crossbow Mark Seven. I joined cranking handle right. Okay wrapping it reading the instructions and he. He gives us a goat seeing only close thirteen. Hit Way Hey. He takes us to himself. This is this is unexpected. I must damage one eight plus three ten points of damage just quite a blow right into the center of its skull. It's still up but that really good it. And then I think he'll just drift back towards where Grynbaum this and compare notes get back to fish. I just think the cowardly behavior these two people outside is it's exciting fighters. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA step behind hawk. I'm going to step up next to Cuthbert having having done. I'm assuming I can inspire myself with my words. Can Inspire myself looking in the mirror going on Komo. You could do this. You can do this bubble talking to myself in the third person now. I do the body racial safe that because I think those nasty things to come but I will try nevertheless to smack this creature on the face. Yes with my enormous sword hitting armacost six train missing. Yeah it's earn less successful Ram Can I get perception Shits Park? Cuff burglaries ten backout way. Purple eight percent now. What about tough but gets an eighteen? I will move to the next to the creatures from outside so you're sort of skirting round. Yeah and no Kazakh and attack so I have to say if you mean Outside the one in the middle okay. So with the ten both verbal and Cuthbert can hear some noises from through this little dog in the north of the room and the noises sound like imagine the sound of a restaurant and somebody has just started a fight. Yeah so it's like the sound of sounds like a group of people who've been disturbed by the noise that you'll making but they're not acting like they're not acting like kind of displeased or shock diners. That just sort of you can just sit here. Everything in the bit and the sound of Cutler goals and then the then Cuthbert's monstrous perception of. At you can hear Cuthbert fat little whispery voice that was distant before and chanting that. We'd him you hear it sort of raised debate and this is big down there be. I am trying to work. Can you not be quiet? Just four. And then it's GonNa Round the Middle Skeleton? The one straight opposite. Cuthbert is going to have a sore throat but getting armor clause nineteen year old. Well Yeah Nineteen Four. Total all a seven points damage. Thank you and then the other one will go one two three park. What's recover forty six purple and it goes for an arm across L. Because it's grumbled on twenty three right so now in the way of my line of sight just really annoying coming through yes. That's what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA move up through the way August poll next. Do we skeleton boss move going to do shopping grasp but it's it's difficult ground soon as you're in the room Ashley. So each of those squares is going to cost you a couple of Spencer. Can I do a fireboat with some color from purple yet sliding in the way of covers the skelly go? I think that you're trying to avoid hitting burp with the fiber is. They're fighting so I think you're at disadvantage is really a cover thing. Is he just going to hit the second chance? Best role if I wrote a one that gets back was head right. Yeah that's eleven to one bad anna thirty. Three one's thirteen is exactly what you need. So listen shit the fuck. I'm doing okay so eleven. Yeah so you fail. You fail disastrous randy skeletons. A bit of a tough nut to crack view on they grumble. Perhaps uh just to to just dial things down anyway. She'll go three more temporary hit points. I get three embry hypocrites. Which is all three replacement temporary? Hit points th replacing temporary. Let's get right in which case I'm also thinking do the short sold. This is the plus one short sort of the east getting close eighteen to hit and doing one six plus four damage and this is on the chap all lovely getting ten champ stretch in the middle of the one in the middle on the Middle. Ten points damage. Yep He's that's tough on him before he has just yet the speedy still up. Would you want to do now? I've got the rapier. So I'm going to do a attack with the right. Pierre arm across Lebanon and Levin is a mess and anything else no million things. You want to say well at Parker. Your ramp. I will not the same one as Cuthbert has just hit with Chellaney Yup. Oh that's dreamy for Critical critical and said that Six points Debbie each plus to do I get to Ronin again another well. He got seven. So it's it's thirteen even five. So five vaporize it. It's fine right and then I will. I will take a five step up to the one on the left hand side and not the unarmed strike which is at hits our class fifteen the hit doing five points of damage in five damage and you also destroy. Thao on storming around on very nicely. Done chest bumping. So you've now got three sets of skeletal remains I'll I'll pick them up and had them too grim bolden. Go thank you. Would you hold these? We want speak half touching these remain. Yes I'm not so cuff but can you make a say. No but what you want to do them off. Let's put them Kathleen in a sack. Okay three sacks daily so we keep the buttons together McCain Fine Yeah the presume that you've got sacks with you have any way of verifying that these Well you've got a C. Across the outfit skeletons sets of bones we looking for four or five grades four cents bones and then of course. There's young Alice store who has never made it back rice lower. We've got this go to nick. Roman Suhair that's been animating paper being bringing in Barnes is that well yes when he's in the room upstairs. If I understand correctly well he was. You know sounds like well now. You heard you heard him. Shout down about a moment's peace Then that stopped. The Hubbub of the of the restaurant noises settled down as well. And this whole thing has taken you basically about twenty something seconds and so you made a bit of noise emitted by crashing about but your sense is that perhaps every now and again there is a bit of annoys down here the skeletons of playing up. All these whatever's going on next door is playing up so you know that he's on his way but you'll see we'll see what happens okay. We outta Branson's you can joepat around sequence what you WANNA do now. I would like to think of it. I think that would be a very good idea k. so if you have a bit of a search around Didn't think there's that much to tell you about in a quick look so there are no other doors all in this room. There's a door to the north and that door to the north right okay. So one search to listen at the door to the north and there is nothing. The door is open. What you see in a little bit which I reveal to you if you Russo. The noise the Hubbub Parker. You moving up to the door I will move up to. The joy is cautiously so the hubbub noises coming kind of through the door left. You're looking into a hallway. It's pretty plain the whole way. It's it's it's unkempt. There's bits of debris and stuff everywhere looking straight ahead of you. You're looking into hallway. That's running to your right and left with a series of doors opposite. You closed doors to the north to the north carrying straight on. That's what you can see. There's a set of the amount of illumination that nothing. Nothing much the sound. From your left of hubbub it settled down but it sounds like people. Eating own using cutlery is quite is quite desultory. Kinda slow it's like the slow kinky like awful like the sound of an awful awkward breakfast rip a terrible being be people are kind of sitting around and nobody's talking every now and again you hear knife against plate okay. Well so I will. I will tip top to that story and then listen to that do so. Are You TIPTOEING UP TO WICHITA? If I understood correctly you said the hallway goes up to the north left to right the hallways guys left to right and illness facing water is three doors right but the sounds are coming down the left hand side so I need to look into the way down towards the Left Stealthily. So a rebel and so forth. And you could. You'd have to peek out to see any see off to the left of a bit of a peak out. Can I try and do that? With stealth sure make a stealth check a stealth check off. Thirteen K okay Exemplary but it wasn't the end of the world. What do you want? Do you want to step out now? I just want to peek round the corner. Okay so just looking down towards the left to see what's down the corridor. Absolutely so what you can see. If Peek round the corner of the corridor continues to your left and then opens out into large chamber which is dimly lit by candles Parker. As soon as you kind of get a certain distance from the open air from the outside the other thing that you notice as you get up towards the store is is a very nasty smell. It's a kind of smell of rotting flesh and what you can see to your left. The corridor opens up opens up to a chamber in the middle of this chamber dotted with Candelabra. Giving a little bit of nation. There is a table. It's a long dining table and the seat. Nearest you parker as you look into the room is empty but all of the other seats holes an awkwardly seated humanoid figure and they look like bodies that are in various stages of decomposition. Some of them are sitting up upright and with with good posture. Paused like with a knife and four. Because if they're in the middle of eating some of them are going to slump down almost dropping drooping their faces into the meals in front of him and those meals. They look like fresh food. Each plate is kind of piled high with fresh food with with capon and vegetables and sources the place setting the empty chair. The one nearest. You is clear. It's an empty plate and just nicely laid out cutlery. Their bottles of red wine Set out on the table and each of these kind of weird copsey diners has got a half finished glass in front of him. That's what you can see when you take off your left it straight in front of you running. Along the northern wall of this corridor there are four doors so you walk down the corridor. Four doors go past you. When you're right there's a door to the south you think or something opens up and then this is big chamber street in front of you right so I missed that. Can you repeat that exactly as I did it? Should we press on chaps or yeah yes if we move down there then suddenly these things probably these zombies again to animate or something? I want I will move straight ahead to the other side of the corridor and have a quick listen at the first door. I arrive at like Simpson check. I get the perception of natural twenty plus. Two twenty two. Call here anything what you can hear with. Perception check though is the channing resumed from wherever it is distant in the building uncanny. Sarah him back right. It sounds like he's just had his dinner but he was doing it before you arrived. He started. He made a clattering noisy sheltered down. Says resumed right. I think that's good. That's enough in Parker. Do anything I'm going to go up to the first or the right hand door. Yes as we look at it. It's it's closed. What kind of door stander wooden door is a standard wooden door? Okay is it locked. High we'll try the handle. No it's not okay. I will open it in that case. Okay is it is. It's a slow simple chamber with a plane bed little open footlocker at the foot of the bed and the kind of unremarkable wooden when you call it like a dresser war chest order couple of shelves. Looks like a little cell or bedroom when you say chest. You mean a chest as emotional. I mean yeah the address. It's like it's a thing with a maybe draws or cupboard doors at the bottom and then a set of shells and then bet on the other side of the bed. There's a footlocker. The lawyer is open anything in it in the footlocker. No you say in the foot look in the chest all their draws things there are draws in the chest yes they're draws in the in the dresser. Yes okay I woke up and try them very quickly rifle through. Give me a An investigation check aren't very good at that. Sixteen sixteen is good enough. You find something hidden behind one of the hidden behind one of the drawers as you put. Somebody stuck or or tied on a little bit of threat. Little Pouch to the back of the draw and that pouch has got six platinum pieces and five gold pieces in it. K- how pocket that WHO wants to go next six six platinum and how many five gold all go next. I'll go to the door opposite. Just come in. Yep Yep Understood. Quit listen quickness and make it perception check. The smell is really noise of now that you're further into this chamber the smell of rotting the sweet smell of rotting flesh aroma. Three McKay. So you didn't hear anything from that letter. Just push the door anyway K. And you can see inside and it's kind of identical to the one next door and can I move as well okay. Maven anything interesting about room. No the diners paying no attention to you whatsoever. You can but you can hear this sort of read. Whispery chanting from upstairs. And maybe the occasional sound of shuffling and moving about maybe the sound of subbing ceramic or something metal kind of linking onto a table or something further upstairs. Maybe the occasional google. Can I search the room? For at Ron sequencing give me a quick investigation check old us. Nothing of interest sessions. WanNa do something. Does Cuthbert to take a look at this dining party. Another off looking dining party ca edge my way up to the Entrance to the rooms in the threshold Yup threshold and have a look. I'm also looking at the stats to the upper level staff. I'd like to know where it. So let's go pick that up so sessions you sign up to the kind of threshold of this room see that it opens out to the north in follows the contours of the outside of the observed charities seen as you've been approaching and what you can see is that there's an opening in the northern wall that must lead to some kind of chamber and there is a set of stairs directly to your right as you go into this chamber if you turn to the right as I said it says it brought up the side of the ball game up and these diners are not paying attention to you and is really really difficult now to deal and it systems of opening on the right before I get to the entreat to the room last door so there are four doors off. Yeah right well I I think to not site just retreat back around Lydia cousin who's sitting still stuff and my old friends from town who's also probably pocketing things so I know them. Well I'm just GONNA keep an eye on them okay. Let's go to park them. What does Parker wanted to while I will move up to put? Yep Are we? Are we in round? See around because we just just tell me what you WanNa do I will. I will move up to the bottom of the stairwell. Okay Listen Yeah. Yeah so you from the bottom of the stairs of you. It's clearer you can hear the sound of some. Somebody said a shuffling around. You don't think they're in the floor on the floor directly above you so perhaps further up you you understand now at the building as a whole got an extended groundfloor. Yes you're in now is the tower. So you're on the level of the tower so you you must you could surmise. That whatever is moving around is at the top of the tower and the telltale signs of movement disturbing the flickering light from the windows at the top of the tower as you approach the building right. Well I'm terrified of the idea that grim old mike go ahead of him so desperately to get to go up front and he's GonNa Start Stealthily Moving at half speed. Give me a stealth check. I will give you. They still shake a vast twenty two mouse. Yet you're like a Little Ninja you pad quietly upstairs and as you do so you can see into chamber first thing you can see. Is there more status if you keep if you were to keep going round the outer wall yes you would you. Would you go into another set of stairs can show you the bottom of them and then you can see another set of stairs and then straight in front of you? There is a statue of something like an angel. It's holding a sword in one hand and it's cradling a heart with the other it looks like the kind of statue you see at a mausoleum or on the grave tomb of an important figure. A etched upon the base of the statue is a single word and that word is feel the face looks kind of beatific and the it has been djelic wings. Looks a little bit like a celestial. Looks a little does anybody? Non-party have any kind of not having a history all religion. I've won in history to make you make you can make an intelligence history check or a religion check at twenty two twenty natural twenty seven. We'll talkers far enough up the stairs to see this statue he. He's pretty sure that it doesn't represent anything from the culture or from any kind of established religion we'll religious idea or myth or anything like that looks like a one off you can hear the continued. Sounds you think again coming from the fighter says that you can now see head of you. This continuing sound of somebody at work. Somebody moving stuff about the occasional. Drink of something occasional gurgle something like a gloomy gurgle like Thermal mud pool that noise every now and again and a sort of humming economic. Ridi whispery horse humming kind of and then everyone again well so I guess we have to take the child's whether this statue is a trap. Yeah I'm going to check the flaws in front of you. Step around the around the corner that the wall at the top of this is going to be healthy. I want to be stealthy give me a stealth check off. What you can see is It's a chamber. It's a massive. Bedchamber fills the entire floor of the tower this level define bed plump red linen sheets. It squats upon Davis On the South East area of the room a raised bed platform. There's a nightstand next to the bed with a wax choke candlestick and a black book bound with Brown and red leather midpoint of these. There's a strange format standing rigid on a short wooden stool. It's about as tall as a Har- fling. It's clothing and kind of finery a black suit for tall. Pat But bandages clean bandages. Not all Molin crack a wrap every inch of its skin. So you can't see any kind of skin or features or hands or anything like that. And there's a pair of ash tinted spectacles. On its long skinny knows and this little dandyish figure is holding a silver platter. As if presenting a meal upon the trae there's the perfectly freshly deserved severed head of a middle aged human woman and platinum peace sits upon her outstretched purple tongue. There's a messy desk against the opposite wall. Paul Tie with papers. There's an apparatus that's sort of like a like A. What's the weather like a cradle? Laura like is like a Beka stand. Yeah with four long cubes with colored liquid brightly colored liquid sust sitting in four of the four of that it will hold us but couple of the whole empty. And that is you can see. Do we recognize this seven hundred per chance. Being that of Madame Arch. Now Madam Watch a large. Is anyone from town to be recognized. Madame Mata the hot madame legislative hedge. This could run and run. Mike. It'd be working on it. She's got extended family. Well I will del Fillet okay. A little bit scary that room. It is a bit scarier so I will See I've got one ago. One spell left I've got to take magic So looking at the statue of this Angel thing really is what Fiddle Jr did you say build. I recognize the name Phil Jr Dirty Name Phillip. Does it didn't doing the standard I and test. Does it Lert like this thing has nostrils or are they? Sealed is like yes mayo standing impossible to tell about two things. We're talking about the big angelic statue. Which sits between the two staircases and then on the other side of the room on your left as you go in. Does this little figure standing on a stool holding a head on a platter? Two separate things. So I'm heading up to the statue and have a look up the nose of the statute see if I can tell whether it's creature or not. Okay so you wonder to. It had to do to make still check twenty two into vogue and what you poke something into the nostril if necessary. If I can't tell by looking yeah it. It's a coughed a cough thing. You don't think it's a frozen real thing. Okay in which case I will continue beyond it to the Isis Dez. Okay you can hear this kind of humming sound of somebody something working up above you. Somebody else wanted to anybody anything. This room I will follow babbled L. Shasta says hello into obviously I can possibly be cool to the back so I'm going to actually not only way pulsed pocket gets ahead of him on the stairs. I am lowest behind something to run up and hide behind. The bubble is nineteen nineteen eighteen tonight. Polka wants to sell check and that he is a six debts everybody else stumble on the on the top it. Yeah okay. Let's go to hold up a couple of dice rolls. Come on what about grumbled and what about session L. Sessions moved up special he's going to be stealthy as he can go nine nine stealthy than talk of it not massively say grim boats moving up to Polka the bison stairs is during stokely Mars twenty taste. Bad pocket wasn't great. There's no reaction to the little noise. The Parker made Okay what do you WANNA do? Now it's kind of huddled coat put. Some of you will get behind. A couple is going to turn around sessions Paul Ryan Grim Bold just shush Celsius stuff yet says getting twelve K at twelve. Let me just make a role? Okay Cuthbert when you get to the stairs you don't it's not a bad guy. Oh that just made enough noise to draw the attention of figure. It's in the room that you can see so. Let me describe this chain. It's a single chamber that dominates the whole of the upper floor. There are bright. Candelabras placed around the room and placed in front of mirrors which are set in each corner of the room reflecting bright beams into direct center of the room. There is a recessed kind of operating theater accessible by a couple of short sets of stairs. So there's like a pit as it were the Center. The beams are kind of targeting. A blue skinned humanoid splayed out on an operating table It's chest is completely opened and pin back against the table with long metal needles to launch shells cluttered with piles of papers rotting organs. Instruments GonNA scientific instruments comprise the east and West extent of the operating theater and there are only a few inches lower than the chamber's floor at each corner of this area is operating area. There are four metal glass tanks each easily large enough to hold the human. Each tank is full of yellow liquid kind of I chorus glutinous liquid which is set every now and again one of them will go. Indistinct vaguely humanoid silhouettes all silently in the soupy fluid and turning to face. You there is a figure. He was working on this course and so he turns as he make a noise and just look straight at you and he just he's just like how can you be here. He doesn't say that but I will pick it up next time but I never would have legally pocock. Disability Hill to production does jackets trademark of wizards of the coast. Spring can and the age of worms copyright fighting. The whispering can was written by Erik. Mona Music is from Kevin mccloud and incompetent dot com and is used with thanks under the creative Commons license. The digital music and sound effects from the wonderful Cyrus gave all other original materials copyright billowing hilltop roleplaying games all getting together. We use role. Twenty is all tabletop. The puppet is your game and discotheques Georgia. Thanks for listening.

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China's answer to Starbucks

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

07:07 min | 1 year ago

China's answer to Starbucks

"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by bit site from the back office to the boardroom bit site helps companies of all sizes continuously manage cyber risk using it security ratings platform. Learn more at bit site dot com. Aron prepared to retaliate against the US. Sanctions live from London. This is the marketplace morning report from the BBC World Service. I'm for Charlotte street path my filling in for a new almond good morning. Welcome to the program in France. Germany and the UK meets late today. In Brussels on the agenda is trade with Iran despite fresh sanctions inch. Geez. Just last week by President Trump on the buyers of Iranian oil, the intention is to drive Iran's oil exports down to zero bussey Ron is looking at ways of how it can retaliate say what can it do s founder Batman Galych is the founder of the Europe Iran forum. It's most likely going to be that Iran would take some small steps perhaps around the installation and operation of centrifuges that are controlled under the agreement to basically show that it's not seeking to completely withdraw from the deal because certainly the deal has strategic value for on by taking these small steps they're going to be. Able to indicate that this could go very different way, for example. And that Iran, retained some leverage can't cheese in you, it UK Gemini fronts that meeting stay in Brussels to discuss ways to continue to trade with Iran despite these sanctions, how can they do this? It sounds like a tool task. The challenge for the Europeans. Is that the efforts that they had instituted to respond to the economic pressure are now being overtaken by new set of offense. So the mechanism established by the French German and UK government's in stacks, which is this a state owned entity to help facilitate trade is a solution for a relatively constrained problem. For example, it doesn't offer a solution to the issue of Iran's oil exports to non-european countries. And so in a sense. We're reaching a point where the European response is no longer sufficient to meet how severe this pressure campaign is from the US is found Batman Galych there that stated on biz. Shazan China ended the day higher after Beijing said it will send its top official to the US for trade talks. Meanwhile, financial markets in Turkey tumbled after thirties ordered a recount at a stumbles local elections often opposition victory having to cash in on coffee beans today is looking coffee the Chinese equipment to Starbucks. It's planning to list on the NASDAQ and expanding four hundred million middle class and the growing Catholic culture of may China sweet spot for global coffee chains. Lawrence counseling is the editor in chief of what investment he's reported from China, and he's actually drunk in lockin when I see one for the first time when you're there, you think this looks like a stall that I've seen somewhere before. And then you immediately go it feels a little bit light. Starbucks is going from sort of one store literally three or four years ago to now rivaling Staubach's in in China with sort of over oh a couple of thousand stores, and it's probably the fastest growing small beverage business in China. Another great example of how the increase in wealth of the last decade for the average Chinese person, particularly this middle classes that are in the cities are wanting the kind of the appetite of the western consumer scuttling regular cash payments for everyone in the country who wouldn't like the sound of that it was the winning ticket for Italy's governing five star movement in the country's general elections last year when they won't fifty percent of the vote the policy is known as universal income and has been used by governments around the world and intent to reduce poverty ram. Correspondent James Reynolds. Takes look at how the policy is working out. Did it? It five stars leader Luigi de Maya told his supporters last September, Mr. Demayo, who's a deputy prime minister in the populist coalition celebrated setting up a version of his electoral promise of a citizen's income. And you're talion who can prove their household earns less than around nine hundred thousand years year is eligible they'll be entitled to receive up to seven hundred eighty euros a month during the first days of the rollout. This spring a number of older people queued up at banks and job jobcentres to make that applications Maria was one of them. I'm the pensioner. And I've applied seven hundred eighty year race would be really helpful this people who are in real difficulty and can't make it to the end of the month like me, and I'm not embarrassed to admit it. That's reality. I don't that piece in practice. The scheme may work most effectively for poorer pensioners for the working age population. The electoral promise of a citizen's income has been diluted into a motivational welfare to work program. But even that is important to those who struggle to get a full time job. Anna makes coffee in her small apartment in Rome. She lives alone and has struggled to find lasting as a cook. She's now making her application for the income. Could be not near Toronto seem recommend that. It's not easy to get it. I hope they approve it. There's a point scoring system. I'm single and with no kids living with me. So I'll get less. You have to do some social work or some job training while you receive it in all the current scheme is a version of a promise which one power for the five star movement. If it fails if the real life model doesn't compare to the vision, they were sold voters may decide to hold five star to account in Rome. I'm the BBC's James Reynolds for marketplace. And just before we go if you're excited about the Royal baby exclusive baby Sussex teddybears go on sale today, but it will cost you just under twelve hundred dollars on online auctions in London either Charlotte Serie hatha with the marketplace morning report from the BBC World Service. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by the United States postal service. Every day. 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Make Food Not War

Global GoalsCast

42:50 min | 1 year ago

Make Food Not War

"East people? Eat the cannot plant, because that driven away from their field that don't have what they need to feed themselves everyday. Likes feet that is when this war everything is destroyed nor school for their children and no food surviving sometimes means being on the side of those who hold the guards, guess I'm virtual life was very difficult surviving getting food, and that's one I ended up joining numbed group. If a nand is brought to the conflict. I'll be ready to go back to the in a few years time, not to be distributing food, but to be buying food. From the sea. This is a global goals gassed the podcast shows how we can change their world to miss episode famine and how to end it a hundred million. Women men and children are going to bed tonight. Dangerously underfed, but the solution isn't just a living food. It's making peace. These both gusts is all about making progress and celebrating champions. But we also shine a light on issues that might either the rail, the progress or connections that are harder to see in a moment. We will hear about the connection between conflict and extreme hunger and the new approach by humanitarian agencies, but I this word about our sponsors. This episode is sponsored by MasterCard. Stay with us later for an interview with Taryn Nathan executive vice president of humanitarian development at MasterCard. Who will tell us about the digital aid network? Mastercard is helping to build and our thanks to CBS news digital and to Harmon the official sound of global goals cast. Welcome back to the global goals cast, I e d lush, and I'm cloudy Romo Aron. We talk a lot about how the sustainable development goals are connected and interconnected. How one goal say getting girls helps achieve other goals like ending extreme poverty exact Mente Klaudia. And in this episode we're going to explore a vivid and brutal example of this connection goal number two zero hunger by twenty thirty goal. Sixteen calls for peace and strong institutions. What humanitarian agencies say is that we will never achieve zero hunger without major strides towards resolving conflicts. Litter, share some basic facts. They work with program says that about one hundred and thirteen Melia people are suffering acute hunger in fifty three countries. These are people at risk of starvation, in places like Yemen, Afghanistan and parts of Africa. The problem in the majority of the severe situations is. Not a lack of food. It's war, and conflict, prevents, the growing food, or its delivery, or both right? Exactly. So the lasting solution isn't dropping burlap bags of food from cargo planes. It's healing the conflict, so wrecked. And the World Food Program says that one of the most severe examples of these challenge is that the McCray, tick Republic of Congo, the second largest country in Africa, which is what you explore with them and the democrat Republic of Congo Erie, as you know, holds a very special place in my heart. It was the first ever campaign, I launched, and we are going to talk about that, at the end of the show, so you dear listener have to hang on for that. So the World Food Program says thirteen million people suffer acute hunger in the Democratic Republic of Congo, and millions more are at risk. The country has been torn apart by violence and millions of people have been displaced from their land. So in this very fertile country, they can't grow enough food for themselves, and it is often very hard to get food to them to understand the situation. I spoke with three people in the DRC. The I was clawed. Dr Who directs the efforts of the World Food Program in the DRC and to help tell the story he introduced to two local colleagues. One is rosett Rica, a farmer who had been driven from her land and the other is a young man. We call Zachary a former child soldier will hear more from them through a World Food, Programme translator. I'll tell you more about him later. Plus, you Dr has been with a world foot program for twenty five years as a fact, world, foot programme WFP. What do you say? We actually start a lexicon in this podcast. And we start introducing jargons and Robacio that people should know about so Claude has been with the world with program w fee for twenty five years, okay? I will. Allow that jargon he worked in the in his younger days, and then returning twenty sixteen after a tour enough ghanistan as conditions in the DRC or worsening. DRC is part of my daily concerns worries. It's what keeps me awake at night. Because DRC is one of those countries where everything should be in place for people to have more than enough to eat. My Shay Lima seeing the funding. We do. It's very difficult context. Because since nineteen ninety ninety four the war has been making access difficult to our firms. If people in the c- cannot plant because they're up route because the driven away from their field, that don't have what they need to feed themselves everyday that Tom have what needs to take a sick child health center or take a charter school. That's the bottom line, each people don't care, teach. India see that don't eat the one important factor. If I was to pin, only one in the I would say conflict, and what it means is that a family woman had children. There has been in the middle of the night. Anytime. Time suddenly, they have to run and that run then leave a very think behind equa- veta- party need, it was one of the groups called CNDP that attacked the regular army, it was heated up, but lead that the army had to flee and that in that period, there were many people that lost their lives. And in that period, we had to run away we had to flee from that. In. At that time, we fled with my four children and with my husband and my mother, so rosette is one of those extraordinary women in the DRC. You cannot imagine what they go through. With your TV. So when you talk about when this war, everything is destroyed no school for the children, and no food we all slept at one little room on food was very difficult to find. It would be simple. Perhaps, I should say simplistic, to think of all of this as good farmers driven from their land by evil. Soldiers clod explained to me that often is not the soldiers themselves were caught up in the cycle of hunger and conflict. The perpetrators are victims to in many instances, you are talking of a handful of young guys from village trying to survive. And what do they do to survive that to have access to resources, either by taking it from whoever may provide that something above me? His cow a goat from the villages simply because those young people are armed. In other Constancio's may be much better organized groups, some of them manipulated, some of them even setup to access and control resources and they get something out of it. So it's all about survival. Editor cannon ham. To stop school suddenly because of the conflict of war that had just started. My parents were being disturbed when they were going to form and that led to me stopping school. We Zachary the World Food, Programme asked us to withhold his real name to protect them from reprisals by the armed group that he used to run with he was thirteen when he joined the militia. Guess I'm life was very difficult to survive in getting food, and I started having ideas. That's one ended up joining numbed group, you realize that they did go through some terrible times, these were people who are trying to survive and lake you quickly mentioned once I joined the armed group life was even more difficult than I had thought before because it was very very very difficult to eat. And once would fight every time and not eat anything. And when you left as a group to go out somewhere to fight you live with a number of ten to come back three people. And there was even no medicine. We just live like that. Surviving sometimes means being on the side of those who hold the guards rather than being the victims of those people survivor is also about, you know, making sure that you can have access to those resources yourself cola to the name our food. We used to get it from the farmers. We would go in people's form and take things would do looting most of the times and would stop cars on the road take what we want also some money in return. That's how we got a food. And that goes on until a time when somebody can come and give you turn ities give you options and carry like many others, there had these opportunity to be given options and through those options change the way they were looking at the future. These are people if you talk to them, you see that what they want is they wanted to kitchen they want security. They want to grow up and have their own families care for their own. I mean thinks data as simple as who we enjoy every day, just a bit of peace. There is more than enough to feed everybody. I don't think that is the point. The point is about a number of people in a number of specific countries and contexts face challenges that are beyond what they can manage themselves. And that is where I believe agencies were full program and all the others really have to come together. In two thousand sixteen the world humanitarian organisations came together at a very important meeting any symbol, I happened to be there and then agreed on this new approach of not just a levering food, but also solving the problems that cost hunger in the first place. Easter was massive are crucial meeting of the minds, where leaders agreed for the first time to work on prevention and also work on issues at the same time. Everything is interconnected. There's a new phrase for this thinking humanitarian agencies should move from delivering aid to ending need, and I asked Claude about that. So it sounds like peacemaking is the ultimate skill you need to make sure that people can just eat. How do you address that do you and your colleagues have the skills you need? Do you fund people who do how does it work? We call on everybody we call people like you. I call on first and foremost on the government to play its role to ensure that people can have some stability. We try from our own side. To stabilize communities. Let me give you an example. One of the conflicts. Currently hitting the taneeka province of the scene is a conflict between what we call the TWA, which are the pygmy community against the bump to community. These two communities have been at war fighting each other killing each other creating displacement. So what we have tried to jointly with FAO with other NGO partners like a search for common. Ground is to bring these people together and have them work side by side. Have them see what advantages they can obtain from this collaboration. What it brings them. As opposed to the conflict that there were pursuing. And if you go to a place called Cabanal you have today through a resilience project being implemented by the World Food Program search for common ground with the support of a number of dollars you have these communities working side by side, there, reap the benefit of pooling their resources, capacities together. This is something that I wish I could scale up and multiply by hundred because, you know what hungering about conflict, and conflict generates Hunga. So it's a vicious circle, it has to be broken this kale of talent is quite large with families living in terrible conditions and unable to farm or feed themselves. The new numbers was more than four point five million people displaced internally. Big internally displaced in Kasai meant that people had left the homes and for a year for some of them people had been surviving in the Bush, one ISIS arriving in the Bush, eight means feeding of what ever you could find in the Bush sleeping wherever you could sleep. We rejoin rosette after she and her family, returned home. Unlike so many whose children to hunger or illness, or even snake bites displaced from their homes. She has all of our family intact. Gwen tedium Eissa when we got back, it was very difficult depending on systems. Everybody was trying to form in their own different ways. Seeds were difficult to find before that until when w p the World Food Program and food, and Agriculture Organization came in to support us with trainings on how to farm and increase our produce and also provided us seeds and tools. And so now what are you growing rosette? Tonelli amaze the ins. Cabbages eggplants. Be able to plant for sailing and also eating some in the family and also monitoring to, to have some money selling my products to pay for basic services, and most importantly, the children's school fees. W P, F ill helps provide them with a bit of food provide them with a bit of seats few tools and two months after you see rosette, and you see other women chanting dancing, because there have had their first harvest, and that's one of the stories, but the story of outside all the women that we are meeting in the that's why for us, it is so important to be behind these people to support them to listen to what they want what they made and were outmost to be able to break them, because what we're breaking is very little and what they are fighting what they're struggling is so much more so much more than what we can bring them. That's why I think the story the history of the see if this. Country becomes what it is meant to be. I think it will be thanks to the women of the. As she was rebuilding her own life rosette was able to take on a leadership role. In a farmer's group that is part of the resilience building court by the World Food Program. It is called Porteous for progress, and it helps farmers build their markets and income. Mezhidov him which hundi chemo at the president of the eleven farmers organization. It is very important as the project came because here in our area, it's very difficult for women to to be in position to make decisions. It was always the man that makes the decision even in the homes. But now, part of the team I am now making able to make this, and it makes me very happy through this project of also learnt personality that farming is a very good business. It's a business because it has enabled me to learn the value of what I produce. I know that food is very important. And there's portion I can keep I can store for eating and apportion. I can sell and it increased my income in my house. Here. There's a common saying that says union is power and through this project purchase for progress. We have become one. We has brought us together in this conflict situation that we live before if I may not difficult situation. I know I can go to another person within the group because now we know each other better. I found where I belong, I know that with farming. I plan my life better. I know what I produce. My income is. And that's how I live. When we come back, we will hear why Zachary decided to lay down his guns and give up being a child soldier. But I and other cool woman for MasterCard. Terrence and executive vice president in charge of humanitarian development Cutty, we met her in, Donald remember, they did, and I spoke to her about the digitally network. Mastercard is helping to build. We see that while philanthropy has a critical rule to play. We believe that our technology and our capabilities and leveraging our knowledge of not just digital technologies but of building payments ecosystems can really have transformational impact specific examples, we partnered with a number of different NGOs, the likes of mercy corps and save the children World Vision at cetera to build something called the MasterCard eight network. What the MasterCard eight network was was a digital wallet. That enabled a beneficiary who was sitting in a remote place, whether in Yemen in a disconnected environment with no mobile phone coverage with no power, no electricity. The ability to receive digitally their food in their humanitarian benefits. What this does is because they're receiving it digitally. It gives. That beneficiary the ability to redeem at a local marketplace, just like you are, I would add enables them to redeem their benefits for fresh fruits and fresh vegetables, and to actually make healthy choices for their families. The other side of that really is what it does for the organizations that service, and that serve these beneficiaries, like the, the NGOs, who partner with, and that is it gives them or cost effective way, a more auditable transparent way to provide these benefits. We look at our digital infrastructure as sort of digital roads that give access to a number of different services. And we have another solution that we are deploying currently across Uganda and Kenya. And in India, as well, which is giving for example, smallholder farmers access to Magara buyers. So a smallholder farmer typically in a rural environment would be limited as to where they could sell their goods. So their household income will be limited by who comes to their literally who comes to their Farmgate and purchases, what their wares are by digitally, enabling, these smallholder farmers, we give them access to large scale Agra buyers who can now pay much more for their produce or for their beans or for their crops, and eliminate some of the middlemen who sit an extract rents in his value chains. We now either eliminate some of that, and, or create transparency. More from MasterCard and tar Nathan later. Now, let's return to our conversation about how conflict and famine are tied together. And no one illustrates that better than sacree who talks about the terror of being adult soldier. Took it in scou- a cut Chaka. I decided to leave during one mention whereby we, we went to fight, and we went fifteen and came back, seven people three of my friends got killed that day and I thought to myself, why should I continue living like this? And if there's no other life than this lot was when I decided to go and, and the. He would have been killed if he'd asked to leave. He fled on the night made it home, but then had to go into hiding from the very militias that he'd run away from here is worthy coordinated humanitarian efforts to immed- gave sacree a new start. He joined the training program run by local NGO focus on rehabilitating. Former Chelsea soldiers, the w fee, made sure he was fed while he was learning how to start a new business. Liz, I, I got registered for the program and they took us to a place where they train us. And they asked us what we wanted to learn as Mia was passionate about computer science. And that's what I choose to be trained in survey format place, where they do kitchen or center was located was two hours a walk from where lived from my village. My home to wake up very early in the morning around five o'clock to be there at eight o'clock. It was very difficult in the beginning hours motivated, and courage d- through the food that World Food Program was giving out to the former extol just but depicting taking part in that training that motivated me and courage me to continue and finish. The train. After the training with the exit kit. That's a computer and a printer provided by the program. He was able to open his own business. Providing printing scanning word processing, and more. Louis open the place and make some money out of it. Machine with a place of opened also providing training showing some youth that are interested in computers and computer sciences. And also through that I've been able to sensitize former group people that were still in there, I talked to them and sensitize them out of it to get out. He also used his experience to this cart other young people thinking of joining an armed group. He had succeeded with seven people who were about to join the militia law school Nigel. I see myself as a peacemaker and the more knowledge I get the more have the ability to help out as many people as possible on Quinn. To by dream of a place where we are able to, to live free of children going into armed groups like the way I did. Though, just a lever aid, and the need, we can really see that in the stories of rosette and Zachary. She has learned to manage and grow and agribusiness. He's a budding tech enterpreneur and a big part of his business. Cutty is actually helping people download movies and music. He's like a kind of one man Netflix. But that's the say nothing of his newfound role working to keep young men and women like him out of the armed militias. I was really moved by my conversation with Zachary, and also cloud, GB, Dr he and the other humanitarian leaders know what needs to be done in the DRC, if pieces to -bility can be created. The experts say, the DRC has the abundance to produce enough food to feed. Everyone in Africa with food left over always see as a joke that in the DEA sea, when you take your tomato you wash to to throw the water you come month after you have a tomato plant, but it is true. It's not a joke. I recall back in the ninety s we try to rehabilitate, some rail trucks. That had not been used for nine months. There were trees trees are grown in the middle of the trucks. I mean, that's what the us is about the potential is everything grows and grows very fast. If a nineties is brought. To the conflict out be ready to go back to the in a few years time, not to be distributing food, but to be buying food from the sea, and taking that food in a number of other places where the hit by drought and by all like Mozambique at the moment with these floodings, because the dias he can sheet. Huge numbers of people f- Il, talks of two billion people, this country hosting currently ninety million people of which at least twenty millions of food insecure that country could produce enough to feed. Two billions. Career. I know if you're aware, but we had some behind the scene drama making this episode as you can see conflict is a daily issue in life in the DRC. So it turned out to be a daily issue in recording Benjamin ongoing who was the WFP staff person who also a translator was supposed to go interview, rosette, Zachary with me on the other end of the phone, and I got a message from his office saying he's had to turn around because there's armed militias on the road between his office and whereas Accoring rosette live, so the exact same issues that affect those folks in our episode affected our podcast. I started by telling you, when I was working for the u n refugee agency in two thousand eight no one. I mean, no one spoke about the, the focus was in, Dr four in other areas of Africa, the world, but I went out and started measuring and checking media space, given to the how much media was covering it, and literally was nothing was one of the countries that had very little funding and there were five thousand people killed every day and the number of child soldiers that were in the wars Jimenez. So it was almost like the bloodiest place in the world that no one. So I went out and started knocking doors of different people to try to get some attention to the so the first door I knocked was universal studio. So said I need you guys to come to the and film, something so that we can bring this issue to the table. You can. Only magin their faces when I said that, under were like, what's the but beyond that they committed to actually doing that? And we went afterwards to try to get a soundtrack so that we could do something. So the Rolling Stones donated give me shelter. And then we went out to Ben Affleck to see whether he could actually direct these video to try to incentivize people to give shelter to actually understand the at tragedy that needed to be seen a needed to be corrected knowing how much, but then shall DRC had, you can only imagine the amount of times that we tried to take off with little planes full of equipment trying to learn in the year. See and what's not possible. So I think everybody for having made that effort brought the're see from the invisible to the basal to some degree. What did you learn from that? The plays that illustrates that you have to work together on so many fronts at the same time and, you know, like it's not that you can work toward. Occasion and forget about gender and you have to work on everything at the same time I need such a potential and people understanding leaders understanding that in order to really accomplish ambitious goals. You have to work on many things at the same time, I'm pretty much work on prevention, but eighty pretty much for the sustainable development goals, or as the geez, are there we go. Number five, go before we move on. I just want to say the next time you go to knock on the door of Ben Affleck. And the Rolling Stones I could come to. I can also. But he these stories the stories that we're telling today, they illustrate hope and how champions are really making a difference, and how it is possible to get to that path, particularly now that we have far more understanding on a framework of action. And I think that those stories that we told today, the stories of Zachary rosette, they are the champions, just as much as Claude is those are the folks who are helping to rebuild their country, even as it still under so much threat. Idi not to brag, but on Saturday, I was awarded the Ellis Island medal of honor. I hope that you saw that, and they were like one hundred people that were honored and the one that really got the attention of everybody because there were only a few people speaking was David Beasley he's like the executive director of the World Food Program. And when he was talking, I could just see that people got it, but also hot hope on. They believed on it, and actually they could understand it and see because food is something that is concrete, and Thunderball and gets people together, David was also very good in pricing. The US for stepping up and Wally, many other areas know like there's, there's some questions about whether the US is following the global I hear he reassured that this country was actually stepping up and stepping forward. So that was a massive event, and I would like to praise you for stepping up in such an amazing dress. Not that it's all about the dress and the dresses a beautiful bridge to the facts because he's not only looking great, but also looking smart. So here the three facts for today. Fact, number one issues of food, or nutrition are not only related to agriculture trade conflict plays, a huge role. And as a fact conflict is the most serious cause of acute hunger affecting seventy five million people and getting worse. Fact, number two, one third of the world's food is wasted and one person in ten around the world is under Norrish fact, number three, twenty nine million people face acute hunger, because of climate change, most of these people are in Africa, but also in Pakistan, and Haiti, this is likely to increase and spread in the years to come and in several countries, including the DRC, conflict, and climate change are reinforcing each other. You can learn more at our website global goals, cast dot org. The links to the latest reports on hunger are there to learn more you owe to yourself and the future as Claude, she beat are explained. Maybe think the word differently, whatever beak the world is whatever happens somewhere when offend all of us, if other people are suffering, there will reach out to where they can have safety where they can have wealth where they can survive. So let's help each other. Because those when all this improbably at some point. Okay. Klaudia. We've also got some actions action, number one Klaudia take out your phone. If you haven't already download share the meal, the World Food, Programme hoop, the WFP's app. It lets you pick where you want your help to go so swipe till you find the one, you want to click on, and then you can feel good. I did this yesterday. And I was tidying up the script and I chose the DRC because the money I give goes directly to the school feeding programs like the one rosette sells her crops to. So I'm going to respond. You're actually with another phone action Idi take out your phone now. Download only oh you got it. I got it. I did it. There you go. So it was not a picture of something. You don't want in your freight or board and within a day, someone in your neighborhood will come and pick it up. How smart is that combat foot ways? And eliminate hunger locally. That's awesome. Erie did this all last weekend. Then you did. And I even got rid of my cranberry sauce that I thought no one but Americans would want, and why would they want it in London in may and somebody did. That's what's amazing our note. O'neil guys action, number three support partners of global goals. Cast slow food checkout their food for change campaign which explains how our food choices have a direct impact on the future of the planet. And also support gastro developed from our friends in Brazil that feed people in underprivileged areas. Release food waste by cooking it. And also in power youth to be more aware more conscious about their foot. And here's the global goals, cast lexicon. W F E World Food, Programme, DRC, Democratic Republic Congo as the geez, sustainable development goals, and NGOs. I don't even know government. Mental organization. Now, let's hear more from Tareyton. Nathan executive vice president at MasterCard earlier. She introduces to the way MasterCard is helping people in remote locations to recede. A digitally and how that intern is promoting better. Nutrition. Is all of this being done via the mobile phone. We find that in a majority of the context where people living at the base in marginalized communities, exist, frankly, have no connectivity, or have very intermittent, connectivity. And so in those types of context, what we're really trying to figure out and we're doing a lot of innovation around is how we can create offline solutions, so offline solutions that are facilitated via what looks like a regular MasterCard that you carry around in your wallet. But now what we do is, we leverage that chip card to serve if you will, as an entry level mobile phone almost because it can store data, it can store biometric capabilities, wouldn't it be great if someone can show up at a point of interface at a point of sale, and just by metrics, just feel who they are captured their face and receive the goods and services to which they are entitled. To what do you think the biggest challenges are with the programs that you get involved with that aim to serve marginalized, individuals and communities? I think the biggest challenge that we face, frankly, is that the various actors across the humanitarian and development sectors, still fail to act in concert. So what does that mean? We have very silent approaches both from a solution perspective from a technology perspective from go to market perspective, and what that results in is high cost for donors. It results in unprofitability for the private sector. It results in substandard solutions for the beneficiaries, we seek to serve so that is the main gap. We've made an effort to this end in conjunction with about thirty five other partners. We launched in Davos, actually, two years ago, the smart communities coalition and the smart communities coalition is really aimed at doing that smart communities coalition really aims to say, how do we create the digital roads? The power roads. The connectivity roads that create the infrastructure that can provide those long term solutions. These are the types of ecosystem or joint approaches that are really going to be critical. If we are going to solve what has been repeatedly called out, is the several trillion dollar funding gap to achieve the, the sustainable development goals. That was tarnished. And from MasterCard, and that was I grab. That seats for these episodes of Lowell goals gassed, thank you so much. All our guest. You can find out more on our website, global goals, gas dot org. Please like us cry wherever you get your podcast. I'm follow us on social media at logos. Gas good either dealers. Goodbye. Klaudia. Music in this episode was by Neil hill, Andrew Phillips and Jelica Garcia Simon James, Katie krone and Sheesh pillow. Thanks to our translator. Benjamin agw idea. This episode was made possible with the support of MasterCard CBS news digital and Harmon the official sound of global goals cast.

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Magic Items

Manifest Zone: Exploring the World of Eberron

1:08:45 hr | 2 years ago

Magic Items

"This is manifested in the podcast that explores the breath and depth of the role of Brin as a tabletop RPG setting one of your host, Chris Renaud. I'm Keith bigger. I'm wenchang. And I'm Scott Walker sky. Been we have a full house of all four of us showed up on the hang on. What's that rumbling noise? Becoming coterminous? That's one of the overlords is coming unleashed. So I'm trying to guess you'd say when you know Fernie freezes over who was going to try region melts. But anyhow, I actually kinda like that pretty cool. All right. So so welcomes gone welcome back. Yes. And in this episode we walk gingerly around the lab and try not to set off any of the artifices ongoing experiments. Or? End of show, and we're gonna we're gonna explore magic items in Aron. Now, this is a topic. I think that's come up and several spaces either online. I know Keith you've you've been pondering. You know, we've been talking about it in various spaces as well, absent I'm working on a couple of articles that that will get done eventually. But it's like magic it takes a while to discover things no pressure. You've got a lot to work on outside of that article do. Yeah. And recently win. I got to be on an episode of gaming and BSO's episode to a six where we got to go in until Brett that he's wrong. About magic and Baronne, and that whole conversation was around sort of ubiquitous low level wide magic not high magic. Whereas Brett was originally arguing that it's high magic. And then we went to a lot of definitions that we're going to go. Listen to the episode you'll find out. The show notes, and it was really good. I think by the end while no spoilers so go listen to it. So I think we can just go and dive in with what the topic, and we're kind of dressing it with a series of questions we'll start with GM perspectives, and such and I think one of the challenges with bronze people think oh, magic items everywhere. But again going back to power level. You know, what is the power level of those magic items that are everywhere. And is it really depended on the system or the setting? So anybody have any opening thoughts on that? Well, one of the things that struck me at the start when people were saying how do we make up in fifth edition when we don't have. You know, it's it's so much lighter. A magic items is that again, a lot of what drives ever on is the idea that they're using magic to solve things. We've solved with technology. But that doesn't have to mean, it's incredibly powerful, you know, as we're talking about. And so the idea of saying, plus one sword is suddenly much rarer than it was, you know, in addition. Plus when sorts diamond dozen, you know, and you all whip to five and here were just signed say we wanna plus one sort of be significant that doesn't mean that in ever on. You can't have magic weapons in means that the the idea of what defines a magic weapon is is different that it the low simple level. It simply that. It stainless or it's self sharpening or it has against sort of Kuzmic features. But I have no problem with that idea saying like oh Noah plus two. Magic item is really rare. You know, there's. Again, to me, it's the whole story persist mechanics as and as long as you're telling the story in the mechanics can sort of fallen within to fall. Yeah. I think I think to speaking of third addition versus fidgeting or even other systems like the dependency on magic items was those are significant part of third addition, particularly with things like damage reductions like you had to have those things, and I remember specific adventures were there were scenes were dependent on being able to do a certain magical effect. So if you didn't have the spell, or you know, or the magic items do that thing, you know, you might hit like a wall in some respects. I give the impression that fifth. Addition doesn't have that as much that dependency on magic items. I don't know. Maybe Keith or when you can speak more to that. Go ahead. I I mean, it's in the DMG, and it specifically there's a question that asks, you know, are matching items necessary in a campaign and amok in specifically for fifth edition all this. We know from thirty dish in you know, if you have you have match vibes ago much weapons ago from plus one to plus five and your damage reduction. I went up plus one to plus five in fifth addition. If you listen to Jeremy listen to talk, you know, that specifically the game was not designed that characters would require much guides. And sometimes it required a little bit of finagling on the DM's part. But there's a different style of play to fifth addition. So magic items are prizes. They are useful. They modify ways or they help players ways. But it was never absoluteness necessary to have now if you don't have a spell caster of someone who. Who can punch through damage-reduction. Yeah. You might have trouble. And it basically just says, you know, what? Either be more generous with magic items or match weapons or of us of what using those monsters a little bit unless there's something Matic about it. And to me, I also think act to fourth edition and fourth edition was very match guide him dependent and was very sort of just this general sense that you should have a match guy Demisch lot and at x level you should go up. Plus, you know, that by the time you tenth level, you should have plus one attack defense, you know, cetera. And I certainly with fifth edition. It was clearly that idea of wanting a magic item to actually feel interesting as opposed to enforce where they really are just sort of another set of statistics on. But like I said, I think if you just go to the way finders guide. It's this whole principle of magic of up to third level is commonplace. Magic of up to fifth level fourth and fifth is okay. We're where of this this is acceptable. But it's rare and magic of above fifth level is remarkable legendary, you know, that legendary items are legendary and the just because some magic is acceptable. Doesn't mean at all this. Scott. Yes. So I think we we do exactly what most gamers do. Right. We mmediately go to the mechanics of the dependency. But let's be honest. There's a psychology the dependency on the part of the players, right? They want magic. They wanna see the cool meeting Chinese thing. And and like Wayne said, you know, there might be monsters. You don't want to use depend on the system using. But I would also challenge folks to understand like it cool. You shouldn't just be in this kind of goes against the very bane of house play the games. But you shouldn't just say, hey, there's x monster. And we can't we can't do anything about it. We've encountered it because we chose poorly heaven that should be the point with a characters. Julia MRs ebb Ron rice research is also ubiquitous find out what the monsters weaknesses are do the research do Lor and make a pain those items part of quest. So you have those items in on top of that is stop getting stuck in the system. I system tells you you could do just make make a magic item. We'll get into this on what I mean by that. But you stopped winning yourself. Just because like will the system says only these items can exist this nonsense games. It's a member on such a great world. Right. And I remember one of my favorite ventures that I was in that wasn't actually number on a venture. But it almost could've been was just. Mike character ended at some point getting essentially what amounted to a big bishop's hat, but it had essentially a small hole of devouring in it. So it was like a garbage disposal. And there was absolutely no. It was too small. You couldn't like throw a monster in it or anything, but I just had this hat that I could throw stuff away. And and again, it was back to that. No, very limited practical usage in less you really needed enough to bomb. I tossed my hat, but it was just very interesting. It was cool to have this item. What is it not surprise me that Keith's character got a hat? I'm just saying. Out of some sort of weird survey Shen his character end up getting a hat strangely. I think that adventure predated my existing hat. So maybe maybe it was the inspiration at that's what drew me to hands. Strangely. There was a time in my life where I did not wear a hat. So I think you touched on something there with regards to. Scott you're talking about like, you know expectations. Whether it's of the players are ever. So I think for GM it might be important especially with people who are new to Braun at the beginning of a campaign to sort of set the expectations. So for people who might be, you know, eager to get like all the magic items, you know, say, you know, what don't worry. Trust me. You're gonna be okay. Without having a boatload of magic items on your era sheet. And I think also it's it is dependent on system. So for example, whenever and it was savage worlds. Savage worlds. Magic items are extremely extremely powerful like that. Plus one is huge. And if you have a plus one item that better be something really important better be a named item. In in in mostly just because those things go a long way in that system. So I think I think there's something there with regards to saying, hey, guys, you know, this is just understand how much you're gonna bunch of like, you know, Magister utility like really limited functional, but, you know, the really powerful like plus one sword or plus TS that's gonna be much rarer. Any other thoughts on just me? I don't know. Exactly what you said. I mean, and and Kikinda brought this point as well. I mean in in third edition DND a lot of the interesting match that you got where either I don't wanna say useless. But they were not didn't really help you do anything. They're just kinda cool at on their tack on your character. Maybe they had a very situational use. And that was the stuff from second edition, and I was really really fun. When you got to fourth addition, those items were taking completely away because your gold, everything you do did had to sort of keep you up to date and keep you matched up with the rest of the game. And if anybody who's played fourth addition knows that there was there's a level and an attack bonus progression that was actually skewed towards the monster. So that's why you should needed those bonuses when you come back to fifth addition, and especially with the release Zana Thor's, you have items that have gone. Back to the this thing is just funny and useless. I cannot find another reason to have it other than the fact that it's my head and eats things these things that are smaller than my fist. And in the beginning. There was you know, a Dow something very much missed would just, you know, game additions for thousands of very much missed from second third edition that was something way came back into the dish more was like you could have a magic item that basically had no use. It's like a folding boat. You know, you could get a regular boat if you really want to but here was this folding boat. That was like I can't find no particular use for of the fact that it folds up into a little box, and that's kinda fun, dungeon portability. I is that good. So. Yeah. So another campaign. I'm playing in right now, I'm playing Shifter Burian, and the we started I think fifth level game. Astor let us pick a couple of items and one of the things I think he just gave me he said, well, you can have one of these. And it's a feather token that's tree. And so it turns into a tree. And you can't use it indoors. So you can't be like, oh, I'm breaking things by growing this tree you'd only use it outdoors. But part of it for me is is since I'm ranger and Shifter is I just use it. Like a tent like I just always sleep in my tree. And and again, you know, there are conceivably consort a work like ladder. If you need to get a wall or something. But again, it's kind of cool. I got a portable tree. That is really cool. Yeah. I remember shuttles last were was shadows. Westworld was well champs unless war. Go ahead. I can tell you anyway. Yeah. You can tell me because hey, handy handy hat recite that you're given where that's typically two thousand gold piece item. But it's like here got gotta handy haversack and at I I was like what? You're used to this sort of wealth by level kind of thing. And I was like why not like, this is just a utility thing. This isn't like a game breaking objects. And that's exactly right is as a game master, you know, you wanna be thinking about, well, what is the impact of the thing you're jenning as long as you're okay with it. And the funny thing to me is one of the shine campaigns, Iran. My my gritty callous, Dan campaign. In. I think it was the first venture basically, they're in a place and someone is delivered this bag of holding which starts spewing skeletons. It's a bag of holding fill the skeletons on they start crawling out imparted. The point was after the players deal with it. They've got a bag of holding except that one of decided use a fire bolt and set it on fire. And of course, it stuff skeletons. But I'm like, oh, well, you know, sorry. I was trying to give you a goal thing. So I want to own a segue to our next question. Then for the top over the conversation, as you know, where where are these match games coming from rate like what first of all what makes them unique in Braun versus say another setting. And where are they coming from who's making them, right? Like, we we always associate house, Kenneth, but is how can how can of for example, the only people creating these things or just simply the, you know, the most likely so the critical thing to me about this is the idea that you know, from the start LeBron's place arcane magic the magic or specifically the magic used by wizards majorettes artifices behaves in a scientific manner. It's repeatable one wizard. Can learn a spell from another wizard spell book it behaves like a science and the core? Principle on was if that existed in a scientific. Way than over the course of centuries. It should start being used to solve problems. The way we have solved problems with technology. And so we should start looking at basic problems of civilization transportation communication, entertainment medicine warfare and say how what's the solution to this problem? Look like when the tool you're using his arcane magic. So part of the point of that is to say that magic items aren't just completely random and Windsor. Call it is someone has sort of, you know, I wanna say it's an industry, but with Kenneth it is, but these are things people have sort of mastered these principles and use them to create tools. So the idea to me is that essentially made rights Smith's artisans. You know, all sorts of people are making these tools house. Kenneth is making them on an industrial scale. It is the most efficient it is sort of taking things to the next level. And also, they are a center of innovation. You know, they have a lot of the brains. The inventors it's bell labs, you know, that kind of thing. Someone else jumping. Yeah. And I think with that. You know, it's also not unheard of for house. Kenneth to find an idea from somewhere or someone else and capitalize on it. Right. But also looking at the last war the last word self fostered, a lot of ingenuity out of necessity as you said, right? Like, that's where we see a lot of the cooler creations like worth which airships in someone that exist now in the world, that's a key point there and the other group, I would certainly call out at this point is the Arcain congress because the arcane congress was sort of the magical facility backbone of gala far, and of course, now it's primarily in on dare. But nonetheless, you know, when you set aside the drag Mark houses, this was like the center for research within the five nations. And of course, you also have the Iranian you have this ill doing their own things up. But that is a critical point. And then all chef from. Where the idea is that like any tolls. These are things that there is innovation. There is changed. That magic is evolving. It's not static. And so that critical point one of the biggest things to me is people look at Brown states high magic because it's got airships in the point. I always wanna call his ten airships for nine years that airships are new and they are changing the face of transportation in their impacting the monopoly of the lightning rail that you know, you wanna think of magic is something that is alive in developing. Not just oh, it's been like this for thousands of years nothing ever changes. Right. It's not like there's nations with fleets of air xactly flying around and they'd like to. But that's that's in the future. Wehner scott. What are your what are your thoughts on that? We go away while I was basically thinking. Think about it from the I was thinking about the other side is that basically not who's making it who's the customer. Definitely you can't just make something in not have. I don't have a customer for years ago. There was a war and they're making magic items they're making items to making things to feel that war in the last four years. The really hasn't been a war or last two years. I mean, there hasn't been a war. So your customer base is changing and as much as we talk about match items in the sense of talking about adventurers and the characters and and people upgrading their characters. We've got a whole other world that's purchasing magic items. And like you were saying you're not purchasing magic items because you're gonna go out bring sword and go out and kill some your perching matching item because that's your well for our analogy. That's your vacuum cleaner. That's your light. That's your cell phone. Whatever it is. Now, you've got a a consume. Industry that's doing that. Now, they're still producing weapons. I mean, everybody's still stockpiling even though they're not supposed to be you've got those. So you were looking at if you look at those things that is actually wants it makes, you know, everyone very unique is that you have a almost a mass production industry that can do that. And you know, we're not talking about, you know, your two thousand mass reduction what we're talking about all style nineteenth century. It's still. Yes. A mass. Yeah. It's still mass production. You're thinking about your switching from a a purely wartime thing where you're making tons of money doing war stuff. And all of a sudden, you can't make war forged anymore. So turn your swords, the plowshare sort of thing. Right. And and if you think with that with that someone's something's really really different about eb, Ron and in terms of a magic item industry. I think that's a really interesting point that you bring up is just that point to think about is with any magic item wide. Does it exist? You know, why did someone make this thing in who was made for? And I think that's just a question to think about Scott shoes. Yeah. We touched on. A finer point driven home is that when you talk about the arcane congress when else right they're doing research for themselves. Kenneth does research to make money. Right. So there's if people keep that in mind, you're not gonna have the arcane congress made him wan's staffs to sell to someone right? They're going to do that research. Those are private exhibitions are private items that they're going to own in order to increase their power their prestige, whereas Kansas. Yeah, they're going to stop this stuff out will like the war effort never stops. Right. We talked about that. But I mean, just speaking from a modern rice back to post World War One going into it never stops and everything is driven by the defense industry. So, you know, if you look at all the great inventions, we have now it's because of war our gas cans that Jerry cans came about because of the war pressurized cabins can were and that's a critical point. Because what we're saying is that the war is over. But again, no one one at in. No one believes that we're in a grand era of peace, and it will never end of SO. Everyone is preparing for what can come next. I think the other thing that think about is when you're designing your designing in general, but particularly for a product, you don't just invent something for the sacred vending. It you're looking at what problems real problems actually exist that need solutions. And I think there's a lot of opportunity like I often try to think about Sean, you know, there's lot of just like especially in the lower levels of Charen just stuff dripping down that you're not sure if that's water or what? And I'm like why are there? No, like prestigious nation effects on like say pipes, you know, to clean that Water Filter it in. So this is a sort of critical point that comes to this is that in ever on when we get to common. Magic. That you want to think about what are things that are useful to us that we use end is they're easy magical way to solve that problem. So like one of the questions that's come up is fire, and you know, house Sharpe deal with fires. And then he's you have Kanter that extinguishes fires. So instead of having a hose that squirting water you're going to have a rod or something like that that extinguishes flame. And especially when you run down Kanter AP's, there's a lot of sort of Cantrell effects that are very practical. And the point to me is what I always do is. I look there's a lot of very versatile cantaloupes. And I look at those intend to say prestigious nation isn't one spell. It's twenty spells. You know, it's cleaning soiling, it's heating, it's chilling. It's all of these things in that for common Naji item. Imagine something that just does. One of those in a very focused way in that something you can imagine being pretty cheap. So just the idea so to speak of a lighter. Well, you know, Quested you can just create a small flame, you know, aflame. So that's something. If that's all it did. It's not hard to imagine that being reasonably cheap. Or again, something that just cleans up grime the one thing. I will say before we move on his I also you wanna call out that house. Kenneth makes their the short of backbone on things. But it's also important to remember the twelve because the twelve is the organization that brings the houses together to make things none of them could make on their own. And so things like the orien-. Not your the Kandara vault network is a thing that took Oreo in Kandar. Ick. Kenneth together the airships are built by Kenneth. And the Ville that you do have a number of sort of big things. It's not like Kenneth holds all the cards in a lot of cases. They're actually working with other people to do. That's the thing. It's like our world. You know, how many there's that little thing of like hell, many different things go into making a can of coke or something. Like that. Is there in mind that bottle? They don't they don't grow their own. A lot of people are going to be involved. Yeah. They don't. They don't grow them. They're not. They don't have like four licensor would that the pay for that? So you're getting your sore would from the arena, you're binding your elements with Zil, and then Canada's just working all kinds of things just to make it all come together. Yeah. So when you're running a campaign number on, do you feel any of you feel like you need a curb the availability of like sort of utility magic items or do you feel like it's just sort of like, whatever just you gotta flashlight. You gotta handy haversack. You've got you know, what what is your approach an how do you sort of regard these things? Those those utility type idols. Well, this this this is a difficult question. Because it's it's really depends. Like, I mean, if you're talking about savage worlds when I looked at when I looked at saw everyone, but you'll get savage worlds, having an item that either does something like a replacement for a piece of gear or something like that at school. No one's gonna notice it. It's not anything whatever. But you have a plus one sort or weapon that gives you plus one to plus one damage that's a big big deal. Right. So there's a that scale is different right? When you look at DND, you can you can say character can have as many common magic items as they want. You know, here's my toothbrush. Here's my you know, some of them are like my there's a there's a clothe 'em billows. All it does. Is you put the clock on it billows? Right. It's like, that's basically glamour, we've in in a different sense. Right. Like, those kind of things I don't I think it I think when you. Fine things that way that is where you kind of you're you're gonna paint you're ever on campaign in a certain way because if you've replaced every single toothbrush and flashlight and hand sanitizer and whatever with a magic item, and they're just all over place. That's a slightly different game the slightly different idea. But that's on there that could be something that you're gonna do. Yeah. I mean, that's that's the field that you want you got. But you know, I think about about you guys, but you know, think about going into a hospital and every. You know, every room you walk into a hand sanitizer there, but automatic there's a can of about. And if you if you walk past their, you know, maybe that's what's today should affect. But is that an indoor me that's exactly where I was saying. That's dare is. Because that's on dare that that should feel different than in Wayland or Karnak or something like that to me wherein on there. We do have cleansing stones that people are just cleaning should be like, okay. This feels that that on dare is where I would work even harder to call out that sort of casual use of magic, and you know, certain parts of Charen. I would do that as well. But, you know, lower showing they don't have cleansing stones around to clean your hands. You know because because again that still money. So to me, I do try and look for that kind of thing as part of getting the flavor of ever on across, you know, if we are in a theater, I'm gonna call out that we've got you know, amulets that amplifier voices or that there's a designated person who's using minor losin to add some special effects, but you know, the same time we actually made a very conscious decision in in creating the setting not to make it so overwhelming that it didn't feel like the DNA more. And so it is sort of that point of you want it to feel like this is a place where magic is more as a stronger tool, but not that we are literally in like a cyberpunk world or something like that. Yeah. I think that I think you kinda hit that that point was that, you know, their magic as a tool, and I think if you're talking specifically now about the available for players there is a. I think there's a natural block to over in the dating players because players can only so many item. So an item that that has a certain power level. What they consider so writer, minor items. Most major items are are attuned meant they they require just a little bit more effort. And even let's say right ones that you created absolutely way fighter. Skied those once they have a mechanical effect knows common items. Don't common metric, don't they require to as a balanced? So you're not walking in with. I've got sixteen different badger items that are minor. But or sorry common whether doing, but these ones are typically, hey, there's a there's a natural limit now with that said, though, the wand is one of the things I definitely wanna call out because that is sort of change when we made a run in third edition. We couldn't have ones be sort of. A common tool because ones were both significantly expensive. You know, seven hundred fifty gold pieces is huge for like, just a casual person and entirely disposable end. So the idea of a common soldier using a wand just may no sense at all as the additions have evolved in we've introduced sort of battle-ready can't trips. You know, a man a wand is simply tengo piece arcane focus that has no inherent power. It focuses power end in this sort of ties to another sort of form of common Naji is the idea of something that enhances existing power, whether it's a dragon Mark or whether it's a cantor up, you know, the abilities of a matrix or something like that. So you can also have magical tools that again don't have power of their own but enhanced with their and so this is where we've added in the idea of the one Slinger in fifth. Saying that you do have more common sort of use of magic in battle. But just like the major isn't as good as magic as the wizard is what we said about one slingers is that they can learn a couple battle can't trips maybe even spell, but they do need the focus item to use it. So that the fact that a player can take relieve the wand is fine. But for normal person, even that tengo piece wand, it is an important useful tool, even though it has no inherent power of its own. And that's just another way of trying to make magic feel more like a tool like science like part of the world, but I've really been enjoying my Kamara campaign, which is basically very much sort of fantasy western feel, you know, having the people using ones end staffs in rods adds a lot of flavor to. Even though again the sheriff. He's just using a boat. He doesn't need any of that fancy stuff. But then you got the the one Slinger Warlock, and you know, it's very much like, he's the fancy fancy gun gun soul. Yeah. Very nice. You know, something. Another piece of that. I am. It's it's an aspect of it that I that. I love in that it's a trope that harkens back to the sort of pulp stories in his daddy of the artifice being sort of like the mad. Scientist the weird scientists, you know, who's always like trying to create really cool new things sometimes often even on a whim out of necessity or whatever we had that tradition with with infusions, right like, yeah. Sort of creating something on the fly. In one of the reasons why even loves savage worlds for examples because there's arcane background weird science, which is very similar in concept. There's even edgy can take called again tear, which is sort of like the infusion concept. But yeah. In in I know was Costa still working? Septet will. But yeah. Yeah. And I think, but I think that's a really cool. You know, aspect of two words like, okay, there might not be a magic it in the creating or sorry buying per se. But there's the potential for something to that that can just be sort of manifested on the fly as well. And I think that's neat. Well, a couple of a couple of months to me about that is one of the things again comes back to mechanics versus flavor is one of the points to me is especially with artificial once we have them. But also with wizards is thinking of the fact that you are exceptional than on the. The standard may try. You can only do one or two candidates one thing they can't just change them out. They've spent years learning them the fact that as a wizard you can say haven't done under new spell, you know, you can swap things around, and such you know, you should think of yourself as as I am a prodigy. You know, I have a brilliant understanding of the science that even wizard is in some ways sort of a mad scientist, you know, even though they don't they aren't as limited as artifices are to working with tools. They're still they have a deep understanding of the science of magic and away that many don't. And I had a total phone web thought to that which I've completely forgotten. Comes back to Wayne you had a thought on this. Well knows interesting actually something Keith mentioned beginning. I never never thought about that especially but wizards one wizard can copy from another wizard spell book. And that means this is something, right? That is codified. And I think if anybody who does not like the thought of runnin don't give it another people out there that are like, oh, I don't like the thought of, you know, magic as technology. But it's like it's built into d you want if you take someone else's, you know, this is fifth addition DD. I mean, if you take someone else's spell book, you can copy their spells into your spell book, usual notations, but it's not like you need to like jump through hoops and walk through fire and do a rain dance in order to do this like the Magic's the same. Same scrolls. You can find a scroll you can run your spill book. Yeah. And not and not just that. I mean schools are universal that if you have it on your spell, it doesn't matter what kind of casts are you are you can still cast that school. So in terms of theory, and and lower of indie, that's codified, right? The other thing that, you know, in terms of availabil- matching, and specifically artifice are now, I know that at the moment that we're recording. This the new artificial hasn't come out. We know that Mike Merle's is really working on a German cars workout. So but the idea let's going back to the dish in kind of skill condition. Right. So go back to their dishes of everyone infusions, and and and instantaneous match guide him even know they're not permanent. It really brings back to the thought of one of the things about the utility. And the ability to imagine items is that a lot of these items were not permanent. They were meant to be used up. Right. And we're not talking about the ones specifically because obviously wants on the quote unquote eternal one route but stuff like a potion, scroll these entertains higher power Adams, right? This is where. Yeah. The feather token those things there consumables. And I wanna things that I've always thought about is that you talked about a third level affect those are not built into our everyday utility match Adams, except for that kind of rare scroll of fireball that one that cost little bit more money. Your your your guy in the back is kind of like, I'm saving this. I'm saving saving this because we don't have a wage Cass fireball. Okay. I gotta use it. Now, you know, those are still rare. Oh, even revivify, you know, someone sitting there going, okay? We got one of these the commander goes down. We can you know, we can bring them back up sort of thing. But there, but the potion of healing those things are the those consumables are more common. Those are more us. So to see a plus when sort even though that's a quote unquote on common item, you're more likely to see something that's a consumable or something. That's a common item. Scott is you have some thoughts on that. Or? Yeah. This is. Yeah. I use the hell on a magic items if I do ever on. It's it's not a month anything or power gave me saying, I I kinda control the flow of them. But I also part and parcel out to where. Like with the consumable items. Right. I I don't just say, okay. Will you do like a potion of accuracy? Okay. Cool at scratch the potion parts. Sure. And why not give you a gem of accuracy or a pick of accuracy or feather of accuracy. And you know, so like if I play if I have a ranger, for instance, all the ranger across by right? And then that ranger may have a four grip of accuracy. Right. Then he'll have an ID eagle optic on it. Right. It's like we said replaced everyday Haydn's. You think about what you would use in our environment, and everyone can replicate that in the mazing way. And just again, I I can't say enough get out of the DNC mindset, you have to get out of the and you don't if you played the. Yeah. You don't wanna go crazy with like? Okay. Everybody has like walkie talkies telephones in Ryan. Why not right? I mean who who cares? I if you have a stripe ops team in that. Yeah. That's what you want your in your Evren gopher. Yeah. I can't remember if it was. Was felon or whatever. But I certainly had had a strikeforce in one of my things where they basically all everyone had what amounted to a message stone has again. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not as cool as a walkie talkie. You know, some limited distance. But it was for them to communicate with one another short range. So yeah, we do have some audience in in the actually originated in the abroad. Adventure was scream. Yeah. Possible. I mean, sending our our standard items down in fifth addition. I will say I do find that making stones though, very different. Yeah. I think it was is little screen in that adventure that they're introduced in third edition. But I do I will say real quickly. Then I feel like there's a lot in fifth edition that might possibly have been inspired by everyone. But that's just my opinion. So. Interesting with ones that ones are basically turned a once now. He said. Scott has a really interesting point there of taking a scrolls and potions and basically saying you can use any sort of fact, or even the effects that exist. Squirrels potions if you're ply the same limitations. Okay. If it's a squirrel that can only be used by certain number of people potion anyone can use it. You know, essentially, a feather token is a potion and that same sort of idea of saying you can have consumed most just in terms of having more flavor. You know, doesn't have to be a potion. It's still something that takes you a bonus action to to us, you know, and then it's gone up, but feel free it's back to against story versus mechanics mechanically. This thing is apportioned. But from flavor, you can always add a little more interesting flavor to religious bows on the trappings. Right. Look what Trump and you wanna give it right? You know in in three five and all kind of segue into the next one and talk about you know, with infusions alone. You can infuse just about any object with a particular power, including war forged. Right. You can actually just go to offer boom, you have armor now or have, you know, whatever. Because there there are const a living concert, but a concert on the less, and you can view them. And and I think that that's a cassette weigh-in to the fact that when you look at Braun, you actually do have these magical beings wore forged that were created through magic. And they're living and walking weapons that are, you know? I mean, that's that's that's pretty incredible in and of itself, and the fact that they can even like, you know, sort of embed like intelligent items on themselves or attached new or bed item other items on themselves as well. And you know, that's that's a remarkable thing, you know, being a vehicle for that kind of stuff. What's interesting when we first started working on them. In third addition. They went through about seven different variations before the ended up with the one the that ended up in these. Yes. In one of the early versions of the was all about them, essentially absorbing or assimilating magic items. An which soared of Gwent into the fourth edition approach of of them attaching armor that they found on. So I mean, that's another point to make on the fifth edition version is again earlier dishes, the workforce went through lots of different versions. So we want to see what people think about you. Scott. Yeah. Really with the war fours. Right. And no conversation war four days without talking about doses. Right, right. If you look at the dosing, right? It's it's it's take the Dosen. You take your your your work for you say ever on you look at shadow run. It's essentially a skill wire device. Right. So Dosen for anyone who doesn't actually no Dosen is an intelligent magic item. It's about it's fear and basically fits in the chest of a war forged. And the ideas, essentially, it is sort of this onboard AI, and, you know, so they know certain skills, they may have certain special abilities. And so sort of often is like an adviser, you know? Grads are going back to you. Yeah. No exactly that. Right. If you get your war forged. I dunno fighter. Right. And Yuki finds this Dosen this Dosen is key to sensually, you know, a martial arts master Klug at in. Now that Dosen is advising guiding and basically rewiring that war in order to function as you know, deities very limiting describes things. But you have that skill set very high level. I know competency, right. Yeah. Moment worsely. Hey, can you fly? This can can you pilot this this boat? Not yet, you know. And then that's it up there incredibly rare. But yeah, I mean, they can dramatically change the feel of what goes on. So this is actually one thing in terms of. In terms of of dean, giving magic items and just in general, there's this one disparity and as much as I love war for there's this one disparity is that the magic items that are built specifically for war. Forged cannot be used by anybody else. This causes this causes an issue especially with the attachments, new bended items is that now the DM there. The dungeon master game. Nassar is kind of cherry picking something which is not a not a problem. But if you're going to basically go I'm going to do stuff randomly, there might be an item here that nobody can use. And I know that kind of goes at the chart items as well, we're gonna we'll talk about an ascetic. Now, the other thing is the components in some sense are way cooler than some of the other match. Sorry. But you need an extra like was the the one sheet is pretty cool. But the one that you tach the cross was called the crossville that attach shoulder. I mean. Yeah. I mean that is your giving a third arm. You're giving them the predator. You know on the shoulder the ad in. Why don't you wanna play war for items are so much better? I'm gonna I'm gonna put on this fist. That increases the size of my fist like six times and smash lick. I mean. Everyone's like, just regular gauntlets. It. I. Find you. I think this just come back to though in some ways the manner in which you acquire match guidance in were on be different than it often is because as we said, especially to the lower levels, magic items or tools, they are things that are created. You know, they aren't simply sort of I go into a ruined defined this thing. And so one of the points on that is, you know, the DM candy more conscious about you know, how are you going to get that? Or is it the you're gonna find it somewhere is that you're gonna fight a war forge villain who has it? Or is it that? Well, you're doing a favor for house Cana at the end of the adventure. They're gonna offer the pimp your forged, you know, end. So this comes to what we're talking about is another critical type of match them in setting is dragging charge. Focus. And that these are a sort of basic principle, the idea that it's easier to make an item that amplifies an existing power than one that does that from scratch, and so magic items that you know, if you wanted to make the amount of Bank, which is a teleportation Cape while making one that just works for people with Markelle passages just cheaper and easier. And but again, the whole point is those things are only useful to people who have the right Mark arid. So that doesn't work for a random handout in less. You wanna do something where we give the player a goal? Magic item that none of them can use. And then it's like where we do this thing. Where can we get the best price for it? But in General, Magic items can be sort of literal rewards, you know, things that will do this job. And we'll give you the thing rather than do this job in along the way kill the guy. Take his thing or something like that in. In fact, you know, it is the idea that rarin legendary items are rare legendary if you come bye, we go into the dungeon and get the thing in have the legendary sword bear in mind that somebody made that sometime, you know, so one of the big things like to call out a lot of times, you're basically ripping off the economy, or, you know, something like that. And if you're running around with Excalibur will, you know to Connie King, Arthur is probably gonna be pretty pissed about that. You know, I'm glad you touched on the drug insured items thing because recently in response to the recent unearthed arcana for dragon marks somebody commented about like, oh, you know. Maybe there should be a unique set of spell for just drag marks because that makes them compelling in special on. And I understand what the person was coming from. And I get that. Because I used to make the same mistake about drag March when I I read up on only because when you first read about drag marks what you see what's presented in front of. You is the the spell lists. Right. Spell like abilities. But what's really important about drag marks is what they unlock. And we talk about this in our drag marks episode, and this is that critical point that people have looked at things and said, okay. But the Mark of healing doesn't give you restorations. So you talk about people going and getting less restoration from house giraffe. Lasko? How can they do it? And the point is they don't just do it with the Mark lots of people have the Mark. It's the there is a tool, you know, an ultra whatever it is that is the altar of restoration that can only be used by someone with the Mark and. The that is what is the house's power. It's back to the sending stole a not the sending speaking see I get these mixed up is back to the speaking stone. The speaking stone, it's not as handy reportable as a sending stone. But it's this vital tool that only people with drag marks can use. So that comes back to the base appoint as a game master of think of the tool you want to be in the world. And then you wanna think about we'll can anyone use this or is tied to a particular. Dragon. Mark. Right. Like airships? For example. The reason why there's not fleets of them is because only house. Lander are marked errors in hustler. Anderson can fly these things or yeah. And that was an intentional choice that we said we want them to be limited. You know, we want it to be that. This is a source of power right now for house narindar that they are the only people comply ships. Now, you can always choose to say, and we've just had a breakthrough we've come up with airships that other people can use. But that's the question from story perspective think about the impact that has on the world. Whereas right now, it is the point of saying air travel is limited. And it's in the hands was the people. But you know, you also have to keep in mind that okay? Yeah. You've made it available to anybody. But I bet you it's gonna cost low. And that is exactly again that principle of something that amplifies drag Mark should be cheaper than something that doesn't. So even if you do decide to add an airship or sending stone again, it should be more expensive. Just a random thought and that. In an old subject product of was fantasy gear total kit or something like that. They had cost for how you can make magic items, and they actually had thing where you can have the price if you put a limitation on and in this just click for me. And that's basically what we said. Withdrawing Mark focus items in the way, finder skied sue. I go ahead. Go ahead. No housing. I wanted to jump to Eldredge machines. I thought that was the coolest thing I've ever read when I when I first read the CS. Oh, absolutely. This is like it was just like mind. Learn come out we could just make shit up there. Whatever you need. Yeah. So let's talk a little bit about that. How did that come about? Actually, how did how did you was that just a trope thing or? Trope thing. It was just that whole idea of sane. We want someone, you know, when you go into pulp in particular, you know, very common. Pope trope is the mad scientist making the crazy machine. You know, Ming is making his death Ray, or whatever it is. And it's the combination of one into say that story should not be limited by but how what's the spell? That is power in this. You know, what is the thing? You should just be able to say I am making a device that causes everyone who dies within ten miles to come back as Oppy. And that's the story. I wanna have. And the second aspect of it was in particular because ever on follows the scientific principles of being able to explain why when you destroy that someone doesn't just make another one. And so it saying that Eldredge machines are these unique they need special components. They need to be built during convergences or on manifest zones or things like that. And so a sort of saying that this is a thing where you can do anything in in one of the ways, we like to say is it's essentially a wish spell, you know, if you can make a wish spell, you can make this has in they were treated to some level. And so it's just saying, but do what you want to do for the story and don't feel limited. I I'm going to say I'm echoing Christian here. I mean, the the the concept of the elders machine. I I remember I remember it's like a page almost full page. And there's this like telescope something the bottom of the page of the urgently. Yes. And you read that and as deandre just like well that gives me the reason to anything I want, and it really is. I think I have used this concept this concept in countless adventures, and countless and not just aber limb. Just let me just say. And it's a consummate everybody accepts. It's that. This is something that this other that should be happening every single game. Because if you want your big bad, not to be, you know, an arch major nineteenth level wizard with wish than they need something that they can do to put this together and the concept of the elders machine. And for those. Who who don't who? Don't know what it is. It's literally Ikast wish with this. But specific wish specific item to do whatever you want as villain. You know, as doctor evil who needs the the death Ray, or whatever this is how you -ccomplish that an it is such an elegant tool to -ccomplish that I just have to jump to. I remembered the thing I forgot long ago, which was one of the things that struck me recently about Aaron all is part of the idea of aaronow that aaronow is supposed to be more magically advanced than the five nations, not thousands and thousands of years, you know, Vance in this is our whole thing with Elms, but it should feel like they are significantly more than us. They've been around and focusing on things one of the things I actually Mike in fifth addition is high ELS, which as default or pretty good for a Arini. Everybody has up yet wizard trip prefer and what I like is. When you think about that that sort of just essentially saying, everybody's a major, right? And then you know, you can stop and think again of well, if I can't trip sure as an adventurer, I might pick something like fire bolt or something like that. But it's back to all those cantaloupes that have useful sort of side effects again. Like, I said, they're they're fired. The fire folks are going to be just you just got extinguished line. You know, any sort of actor is going to have forget, which I think it's dumber Tashi. You know that lets you amplify your voice and extinguish or create flames or things like that. As it was one of the things I was just thinking about is some point in writing about aaronow, you want to get to that point that that is a place in someone was asking how common are major. It's do you have people who are just still using Mondays skill in the five nations. I think a lot of places you do. But that's the point that Erno will essentially have. That hand sanitizer. You know around because. Entry level there. He's just going to be that much more common. Everybody knows cantor. You know? You know? What? Hell it's it's twenty eighteen and they're still not widespread broadband America. Right. Well, see that's what I'm saying aaronow. They've had twenty five thousand years to get there together. So so let's go ahead and jump into talking about from a player's perspective since quickly with some of that. Because you know, we're getting to the end here. You know, how should players approach, you know, purchasing commissioning magic items, or, you know, in the setting should they just be like, I'm gonna go to the store and just buy whatever. Or you know, is that is that reasonable one of the things I'll call out quickly is that in the way, finders guide paid forty one has a breakdown of essentially how common magic is in it sort of looks at each category of magic. And and sort of says is this available. If it is roughly how how much should a think cost. It depends where you are. You know in the Sharm section in the way, finders guy do specifically call out. Here's a couple of places where you could get a magic items, you know, it's gonna be a lot more common. Whereas if you're random village in fine village in Thailand. No, they probably don't imagine items for sale. I think almost every edition of de has something like that where what's the most expensive magic? You know, you're going to be yet, which makes sense for for any given setting. But essentially, you know, looking to paint forty one you have the common magic items are going to be available in a lot of places on common. Magic items will be but they'll be more uncommon, and when you get into wherein above those things or rare, and you know, not necessarily vailable for sale. Yeah. I mean, one of the things is that even the even when you started with dean D E before Braun came out. I mean, they still kind of had some placing magic items. They did not. It's an optional rule, and they didn't really recommend it. And it wasn't something that you're going to purchase cause magic items were supposed to be special and not to say that they're not special LeBron, but they are much more common. So the ability to purchase magic item. If you look at Xanthos guide, you kinda give you some standardized pricing for magic items it gives you Senate is how to find magic it that kind of thing how even cross the magic item are are in there as activities at at players can can engage with. But when you look at it. I mean. One of the things that I put in the notes was that the the concept of standardized pricing because house Kenneth as long as you're within house Kenneth purchasing territory. You know, you're within our our service own. You know, the likelihood is them and their subsidiary gills and whatnot are gonna have a standard pricing for certain magic items that are commonly available right funeral by the hand sanitizer for your hospital or your house. There's going to be a price for that. You know, it's the same price in on there as it is in and throw it hold and Sharm it's going to be pretty much the same price. No. And and I completely agree with that in again. This comes back to why magic versus Hyman GIC is then idea that Konin magic, you know, basically can trips I level everybody, you know, those things again, the broom that's enchanted to with prestige tation to be, you know, magically sweep away altered. That's not wondrous to people that's. Just like, that's a basic thing. It's like a really nice vacuum cleaner. I'm impressed that you have that one as pretty expensive. But it's not a sort of amazing. It's your room uncommon. Magic is like oh, wow. You know, you've got a one two fireballs or whatever it is. It's like, oh, that's impressive. But again, I knew those things exist. I know that I can buy a Zucca if somehow I could find someone who would sell it to me when you get into rare magic. And especially very rare or legendary that is where you're saying. These are things that even in Ebermann a legendary magic item. People are amazed by that. It is using of you know, we understand magic. And that means we understand when a thing is beyond. What is commonly capable of we use science, but the idea of a transporter, or you know, death-ray is still impressive to us and bear in mind. That's how it works number on his well is just because some magic is common in excess -able doesn't mean all magic loses its wonder. Yeah. I think there's still room to you know, we talked about this earlier about, you know, powerful magic items that players can get their hands on you know, it's not that. That's not to say that they're not existence at the are rare. When you get it's a big deal. It's special. It's should be named thing. Even but I think there's also a difference between powerful inexpensive you can have expensive. Magic items aren't very powerful per se. Sure. The house VR Lynn holographic illusion projecting. Right. That you have in your rich tower somewhere. N I mean, another thing I call it. Here is we do again talk in the way funders guide about creating magic items. And it's a very Asian of the the our system, and one of the things that we sort of call out there is that that's not the system that that health Canada's using when they're making stuff that it is the it's like building a computer in your garage that it's part of that idea that as a wizard know or artifice or better yet, you know, you are capable of putting together your own sort of version of this. But you're sort of doing it your own way, and sort of you know, innovating as opposed to just using the Kenneth factor. Steve Waugh's, putting it into a wooden box manufacturing steel trusses. And that's exactly where on the one hand. I would allow a player to potentially create night him that I would say that's not you know, that's an uncommon item. I've decided isn't in world because I just don't like the impact of it. But I let you create it because you're wizard. You're you know, you're coming up with new stuff on. But also, that's where we suggest the whole idea of where components, and again, this is something that comes up in Santa Thurs comes up here of saying, oh, you can make that thing. But you're going to have to find a bacilus I because you know, Kenneth use something else for that. But you don't have access to their yellowcake uranium or whatever it is about. Let's I you can do that or even in. And so that's even look, you know, a drug ensured a number drug insurance worth x amount rate gets certainly and again, magic items have sort of set cost in components, and those can be assumed to be oh, you're gonna need to get some sore. Would you're gonna need to get some dragon. But you know, you can get that stuff. But I'll say again in my Kabar campaign. One of the things people have have found or these dawn in dusk dragon shorts which are dragging charts in Butte with unusual amounts of positive or negative energy. And the two full part of that is one of the things I've said is you know, they've gotten heard fister. They're basically said if you get these things basically in downtime between adventures all let you create it. And here's a list of items could create create a weapon of life, stealing you create. You know, the dusk short is only gonna be about negative energy stuff. But part of the point there is instead of having them find treasure instead of saying you find a sort of lifestyle Lynn what I've done is given them a, you know, dusk, shards and said, well, you can build one of these three things between the adventure. And so the impact is the same the players end up with a magic item. But it's that idea of they don't just find thing lying around. It's they're actually finding this thing in using their mystical brilliance to actually make something with it in. This also has impact of giving the players an active reason to want to get in on this shard, rush greed. This dragon short fever. That's supposed to be part of the things if you jet those Don shards, even if you're ripping them off of this ancient tomb where they're probably being used to seal great evil. With roy. The possibilities are endless. All right. Well. I think we've covered everything that we wanted to cover design, but have any last thoughts on any of this at all. It's magic stopped digging around stock thing around in Keith's tombs and cause something else going to be running. Some stuff you wanna bring up the fact that while we've all been talking Scott did send us a picture and balding. Laughing about I don't know Chris. In the show, but it's pretty hilarious. So I'll put in the chapter. Inched? I'm just saying. It's one version of someone's for. I don't think those are doses. No, no. Yeah. Yeah. All right, cool. Well, thank you all for listening and be sure to visit our website at manifest dot zone where you can find subscription links to our show post comments on an episode find links to our Google, plus Twitter and Facebook pages, and whatever option you prefer. Let us know what you think of the show and join us next time when we talk about travel across Eron, which I think sort of rides on the tailwinds of the subsoil pretty well. So yeah. Until next keep exploring.

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Picard - S01E09 - Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

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Picard - S01E09 - Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1

"Welcome to the podcast maneuver the officially unofficial podcast for Card Star Trek Card. That's what the show is called on. Cbs All access. I'm Jim and we watched season. One episode nine titled Et Inner. Katya Eagle Part One Aron give any idea what his title means. Yeah it looked. So there's a famous painting with this title that is Depicting like some shepherds and and a lady in a very utopian pastoral scene and it means Y even in Arcadia. There is death and arcane their Arcadia is like a old timey classical word for like a utopia or paradise kind of the areas outside of the healthcare. That is the city. Yeah Yeah like. Even in apparently paradise situation you still have death and there was very You know they're on the nose for this episode Where we uncover an apparent cybernetic utopia that US biologicals are going to go in there and fuck up. Yeah and you've got a bio person. Who is I? Think actively dying or or approaching the end of his life people like the car and the doctor. Soon junior boaters Mike. They're having some kind of problem. We get Robo Picard. Maybe there's some discussion on the forums about car dying and putting him in an underwear models body next season. I'll see I thought they would just just put him in a year right. That would be a way to have the car all my God. It'd be terrible. It'd be so bad You'd have to do the world's greatest casting and it would have to be stuart saying armed just too old for this shit. I Love Star Trek and wanted to help them. I'm going into Bela Lugosi. I was trying for Patrick Stewart. I ended up not naturally. I went Transylvanian. I was trying to go. Patrick Stewart. Transylvania you could. You could put them in a Justin Bieber. He was an underwear model at one point. Wasn't he I dunno or Josh Holloway? It makes it makes sense though. He's an old man and you know. Do you want to build a franchise around them but on the other hand They've got this. This is kind of ghoulish. Can we admit that this ghoulish the entire idea that you give a fictional a fictional character a indefinite but but terminal prognosis just so in case he dies in the middle of the C. E? Can just you can just roll it. In plot terms but it's is pretty ghoulish. It is But you know. At in Arcadia Ego Arcadia Ego is anymore ghoulish to talk about recasting them into a robot body. No certainly not know if anything. I think. It's your both plot elements to do walk around a real life man's death you know right right. I don't know not sure what their plan is for this. If that was part of the consideration for the whole plot of this thing and is you know Airmont Syndrome or not Don't know But are what so. What did you actually think this episode? We haven't actually got to that part. So it's weird because this like this has never been the show has never been more T. and g. than this episode like going down to the planet of extraordinarily fit people wearing silk robes. Like that's so t and G and so. When I saw it I was like. Oh Yeah Hell. Yeah and there's some really cool ideas and concepts like is sort of like the idea that this was not necessarily a warning for us but sort of an offer of help to panic. Synthetics Right Very cool so but I mean there's also a lot of dumb shit. Oh Yeah what are you GonNa do that? I had the same thought when they go down and his plan. Everyone's dressed in these crazy. Like your Star Trek. Always been a little horny. Maybe Law Horny. And this felt very much like one of those early season episodes where he imagine of them. Oh my gosh. Like halfway. Through the episode Sutra. It'd be stroking his chest hair and be like I've never met inorganic organic like you. You're just so distinct individual and Reich wiggling his eyebrows. And then she would. I can't I can't kill these biologics because rikers Dick is that good So it did feel like that too but also had the classic T. and G. two-parter like pulling out all the stops. Yeah we got space battle and Holy Shit aboard Cuban. Oh my God. Space Orchids are gonNA fuck and DRAG HIM DOWN TO PLANET FOR CRASH LANDING. You know and the seven of nine is going to turn this thing into some kind of probably self evident. Planetary Defense System That's going to wipe out two hundred eighteen Rommel in warbirds next episode. That's pretty exciting. You know best of both worlds kind of class Steaks and action and drama. But yeah also a lot of stupid shit I I was wondering how many do you remember? How many ships where it will three five nine to fight that board eastern fifty nine wolves let alone ships now you can get aboard cube take on two hundred something romulu words. Maybe I mean it's it's three of them. Struggled to take on Janeway ship at times. So that's true you know. But that was voyager. That's the thing if Jane Way Crash so janeway comes out of retirement. Crash lands the Voyager. Right in the middle of seven and nine cube on beatable rip. Open a transcript. Conduit take the whole fucking planet to Arcadia What do you think about getting into this episode? Let's do it all right. We start with lots of rain. Emerging from the transport conduit completely unscathed but narrative has followed them through and lots of rain is in trouble until the board cube comes to the rescue and some giant flower. Some big old orchids envelope Serena and the board Cuban dragged down to the planet and the car goes into a trance. And thanks everyone for coming. What was that about man? I thought they were going to explain it in the plot but they just didn't like mine. It's the part one so I'm hoping part two will because I thought it was like the Ale the synthetics making first contact like somehow taking over his because they played it like they played like Classic Picard being overtaken by something but then also I think the plot wants us to believe that this was related to whatever brain kookiness. He's he's he's experiencing whatever Brat I'm GONNA call this a brain cloud because they're trying really hard not to say Remigia Syndrome. I'm going to call brain cloud from Tom Hanks's classic Joe Volcano Okay. He's he's afflicted with a brain cloud It's bad it's some kind of disease it serious. It's probably going to kill him. But who knows what the symptoms the symptoms might be talks like he's possessed by an alien spirit There's a third option to which is that. He's somehow connecting to the board consciousness. That seven has re instituted on the Board Cube. Oh that is a good possibility so like yeah there are three options out there and I kind of like that sort of left a lot of pathways for this to go down because they called it there. But there's this the thing is i. I thought the first fifteen minutes of the show was really a all over the place because I did not get the sensation from watching the crew that they were being drugged to a crash. Landing right like everyone was like super chill about the space Flower enveloping them and dragging them into violent reentry everything on fire. Everything on flames Serena crash lands and looks like it's really fucked up. It's Golic hull damage and shit sparking Like at no time undergoing this You know like when when in generations the enterprise classic One seven zero one D was crash. Landing on Fucking Malcolm McDowell. World Data said grab the console and said Oh shit because it was a fucking event they were going through. These people. Were just like well. I guess we follow Puddles Grenobyl. Yeah it was weird. I mean the the power was totally out. I like were we able to see if there was a window out the front or is that just a view screen looked like there were actual physical windows on this the ship because you could see the darkness and then you could also like the flame starting to EEK through the through the the flower shields gadget. I can remember but they also established the ship was going to crash land on this planet and like Oh my God maybe no one even survives but they all survive right with no explanation. No I it was. It was Kinda weird but I will say it was pretty awesome to see the board Q. Key hitting the atmosphere and I I was at a war with like this is so fucking cool fucking and dumb. And I don't under- I wonder if they did got all the actor scenes before they actually decide what was going on with the ship. Just did it in post. Yeah like we're going to like We're not sure if they're going to be being down. We're not sure if they're this that so just kinda everyone have a neutral affect and we'll fix it with the flowers because they just didn't act like they were in any danger and it seemed like they were crazy danger so that's what I'm saying like same thing with Picard. When he has this out of body experience don't think it was very clear about what happened and they never actually clarified if whereas either. I mean that's true of this show in general like look at how Giradi x one minute. She's like talking about hell coming to earth and the next minute cheese giggling about how cute the ANDROID is you know like. This shit is inconsistent across the board. So I wouldn't surprise me if they were dislike. I resolved that myself that she is literally gone crazy from the mind meld and I guess you could say carjack. Bizarre Bizarre Picard connect bizarre. Because he's got the brain cloud everyone else like like like Reassess ship he should be acting concerned for his own fucking life and the fact that his ship is getting fucked up. You know dry one. Losing her mind throughout all this and you know when she's the rational voice. I get worried. Yeah it's it's crazy 'cause I mean. Can you imagine like astronauts on re entry not having parachutes for the capsules or anything lashed out the parachute hundreds of miles an hour or the parachutes Daffodil? There's rapidly losing its structural integrity. Right also like why. We're getting all the silly stuff out really that transfer tunnel opens right above planetary orbit. Apparently some fucking convenient transport conduit right there. Share is the Borg Man. They've got they've got roads everywhere hard. They're the they got the they put the Roman Empire to shame except earth except yeah because then they would just come in and kill us all. I can't keep on sending the construction crew. Keep on blowing up the cubes and sending them back in time and it's really rude. It's true okay. We get some flashbacks to cards doctor and his vineyard and card except Sick Bay. And there's no power on the ship. Giradi is examined him with an old try quarter and found out that he has brain problems. The brain cloud no power. I don't know if you're aware this means no emergency holograms. Oh Yeah. We're we're rid of the five Yup. The the the dirty five hundred zero to call them are gone. No power the emergency file did. This ship has like manual. Blache shutters though that can provide. I don't know why you would engineer ship like that is is I. I never assume that Rio ship was capable of atmospheric flight. So I'm pretty small. Though I'm trying to think of what circumstances that would under normal operation come in handy to be able to flood obey with light but I dunno or to keep the light out Maybe especially in Sick Bay. Maybe you've got some Photosensitive disease or something. You just shut out the light. I think the ship should have armor played all over it like you know so it can cause this. This ship also seems then. How does how did get his hands on the ship this is? He's a civilian pilot. He's got shipped has got fucking phasers and stuff. That's pretty wild. I don't know maybe they'll go more into his back after you know his captain. I'm Han Solo. He's got a Millennium Falcon. That's his old freighter. That's got like way souped up engines and I wanted an established game brier space locale ricin. Oh he wanted to game three D chess That must yes three D. Chess Chess. Forty chat actually. Yeah he's people. He wanted old school a three d chess with his old quarter. He did on Yahoo Games. Yahoo Games okay. So afterward picard tells US career that is brain doesn't work right and he's dying that's last speak of it. Then there's a status report during which Soji says she's She remembers a station nearby that she might have lived in after she was created and Picard suggests that walked there I mean it's weird like that. I felt like this is a Meta moment. Where like Picard? And John Patrick Stewart or speaking one Mike we know this is all ghoulish as kind of gross to beat speculating about it. So let's just yeah. I'm Diana got the brain cloud and let's hear no more of it except for this. This we hear this every fifteen minutes and the episode right. Everybody who meets him brings it up yeah. He's he has asked that tearful goodbyes And Boy Patrick Stewart still pretty emotionally stunted Not Patrick Stewart. John Lewis Picard despite his protestations to the contrary he and he's he's talking about things pissing them off which doesn't strike me as particularly Picard language. But you know there's a fifteen year on Picard twenty your heart. It was a pretty. I thought it was a pretty good speech. It just they now can can go. Pg Thirteen with it. All right So the crew gears up and notices that the cube has crashed as well and they decide. We're going to go there instead of the station that you were talking about. And when they get there. They're reunited with Eleanor and seven. Who are recklessly fine. So did this is another thing that I thought was wild that they came to this planet and risked all and crash landed on it to forewarn the sense that the Romulus are common and because two friends of theirs might have survived. They ditch that plan and walk. I don't know how long it takes to get his board cube. But that's a Ha was a hike that they made the board cube to to make sure that they're all okay and then walking back like it seems like this is an unnecessary waste of time. I agree they probably should split the party of that point yet so G. and Picard Goto wherever she lived reassigned. Giradi go and Roffe go find what happened is seven lower. Yeah they should split the party when they and they. They split the party in unusual weird ways I thought to later on Like who they leave and who they take and all that kind of stuff but at this point in the episode. I was super disappointed because well okay. I was psyched because we got see the Board Cube crash and it was amazing but I was super disappointed because they just took maybe the coolest aspect of this entire show. Which is the idea that they would be running around on a board cube. Yeah as their main ship and dashed it to the ground and I was like Oh my God but I think by the end of this episode. We're supposed to understand they'll have it up and running in like a day. Yeah it's GonNa be really cool thing rises from the surface again Zeiger. Her is black as a great white shark. You know. Full Bore Queen Effects is GONNA be cool. What if Lacunas of board gets put into seven of nine spotty? Somehow that would be an interesting show. Yeah I would like to see that shirt. And then he can be the pilot he can connect up to the borking piloted they. Also this thing is like this one of these exports walk up and be like look you this and I'm like why would you do that like are these? Are these borders expert Are they aware of their condition? Are they aware of how other people are? They wear about how they feel about it or they still like Kinda board except for their autonomous. Like what is the? Why would you call him something that you would think would trigger and also why did card get triggered by it? I felt like it's been a long time and like that. He had kind of appreciated. What like Hugh and him were trying to or what he was trying to do with. Xp's and the cat real empathy and said he's going to champion their cause and in one of these guys calls him look and he starts doing the. Who a thing again. It's weird. Yeah and it doesn't seem like they did much. They've got two competing ideas right and he wants to protect so junior wants to help so ji out and then he also is dealing with this board. Shit. And both of those things are kind of coming to the forefront in this episode so like where they going with this in part to yeah. Are they going to do more with the LACUNAS? The Bore Angle uh-huh now that he's in prison but I'm sure he'll get out like ten minutes in the next episode but yeah yeah I don't know because it does seem like they have a clear mission. They have a lot of plenty of plot going on with that. The Soji stuff that they don't really need to do this. Lacuna stuff right now. Maybe save that. But they do keep reminding us over and over like you said Yeah. It's like early trying to keep a lot of these balls up in the air and it feels like they're going to drop some of them have to because picard so far. This season promised to champion the Romulus the ex Borg and all synthetic life And he's still not even he still hasn't been able to keep his. I promise through the Romulus and in fact when he got some stiff resistance he is packed up his bald head and went home. So I don't know then that I'm glad that episode actually calls. We'll talk about that but the episode actually calls Gianluca and a little bit of his bullshit Anyway let's talk about seven telling the card what happened after he left the Cuban how she found them and also they're working on getting the Q. Back online rocky sees two hundred and eighteen warbirds headed their way. She makes a comment about only need to worry about the first one hundred and nine. Why I if you're looking why you've come to the wrong place for answers my friend because like if he she said it's like well that's not so bad as really you don't have to worry that the the first one or two you're going to do the job like giving idea that it's massive overkill but when you're talking about one hundred nine like y the first half do you actually think you can deal with the first half of the first hundred nine cubes. With with your with your. You'RE GONNA take to forward with your busted cube and cards friends with a few phasers quote unquote. That's five is asking how many ships are a wolf three five nine because I was wondering if there was like some number there that that had significance within star trek but I could. I didn't understand that. As prophesied as prophesied the Rahmael come with one less ship to two hundred nineteen and the board would just packing and call today eighteen. They know from Wolf three five nine. They can handle that many Alpha quadrant ships easy. Well the other thing is like what is this. What did Picard? Has this little speech out of nowhere? Where seventy-nine says well you know I I saw this coming and I was like at one with the universe and I did all the right moves and I guess you're supposed to understand. That's how she guided the cube down to smooth crash landing or put the everyone in space as I don't know what kind of bored Queen bowers. She's got But then Picard says in like in a massive swing in the conversation poor hugh it must have taken an appalling brutality to turn such a gentle soul to violence seventy nine S it. Seventy nine does not acknowledge it. That part of the conversation goes nowhere. And I'm like first of all the yes. We saw the appalling brutality dehumanisation. Second Hugh turning to violence. Eleanor turned violent. But that's his thing. That's a drop of a hat with Eleanor. Hughes manigault like Hey I want to get the key but when it I mean did did. Did we think that he was going to use the board to just like fuck in eviscerate the Romulus? They'RE GOING TO DISMEMBER THEM. He's GonNa Borge Fi them like I thought he would just like use their superior numbers to like capture them the pain them and then take the board cube to federation space. So they'd be safe. I kill everyone and no me either. I try remember in the scene. Does seven use this moment to sort of odd. He escaped her involvement in the deaths of all those borer because she like pushing blame on the Hugh O. That I don't quite remember I don't think so but now I don't know It's just weird. Have him say that thing out of nowhere and it just doesn't lead to anything? It's just Kinda like it's not even a moment they don't make a moment out of it that it's just a single line and nobody really reacts to it very much move on. You know what it's like. It's like at the end of the first. Michael Bay transformers. Where like Jazz? I and commanded autobody have literally been torn in half and and Optimus prime bins down and picks up one half and says Oh poor jazz and like drops in and then turns to the camera and gives a like that kind of level of like. Oh poor hugh drop. His body turns into Kabir. I'M GONNA fight for synthroid. It's weird all right then we move onto eleanor. Eleanor yes I'm calling it from now on. Eleanor brings up the fact that the cards dying to highlight that his mission is more hopeless than sevens and therefore he should go with card cartels on lower that he needs to stay here and that he's proud of him after telling seven the safety of the galaxies in her hands. That's a big responsibility. He leaves with his crew. You know it's weird to that like So here's the here's the thing. If you WANNA leave 'cause he's you need to stay here and work on the defensive systems. What the fuck expertise or have been working on defensive systems aboard ship like you have to former starfleet officers who might might be able to do. Somethin' you've got like a really gifted cyber geneticists. Whatever she probably is better off going through the Android town but like why you've got the Board Queen then you've got the board. Anyone is less qualified if anyone is more qualified than seven. Please stand up now. Yeah like like I just thought it was weird. The lead the have Rafi and Rio's come with him and leave. Eleanor to work on the defensive systems. Yeah I think they just didn't want elmore going with them. I think Picard just is annoyed by eleanor are the cause. I I got the feeling that maybe he's not a long term part of the plot like he's being left behind and he's GonNa be kind of like maybe they'll use them like Jerry Ryan in future seasons Where they might bring him back for a special guest experience. I like what they do to the west of crusher. Yeah eventually went to starfleet until Kademi. Yeah every once a year he would come back and like Oh yeah. The traveler wants to inducted into the Brotherhood of travelers. Or You fucking you fucking cover it up a death and the academy Wesley. This isn't starfleet. They'd have one of you know one one season. You'll bring eleanor back in. Yeah you and Tom Perez covered up a death. What they could do what they need to do in that case is they need to instill him as an integral part of the crew. That absolutely needs to be there. And then he can go up to starfleet and then they can replace him with incident after incident after incident every single week. Rotating batch ovens yeah rotating batch of Romulo warriors but that would be akin to the West Lake stuff. Yeah Yeah So. The crew arrives at a synthetic hippie. Commune where so g is. Welcome and the head. Santa Examines Cards Crows Feet and then so details at the are on their way. They don't have enough time to make more defenses. And we're introduced Dr Alton Inigo soon Play by Brent. Spiner NAB a lot of fun with that. They sure do if he'd gone old and soft. I had a lot of fun with it too. I enjoyed it. Yeah it was. You're right it felt this feels like classic star Trek that go in the crest the hill. It's like Oh look it's their android utopian. It's just some asshole mansion in Malibu and they got like some of these people look Exa- collector human. Some of them have like they're black but they have that kind of gold. Sheen data has some of them have data is some of them. Don't it's why. Why is any of this like this man? I like these are interruptions. Like you know. Mattocks was working on perfecting this technology and over the years which I think it's been like what fourteen years he's been researching this stuff so over. Fourteen years he's integrated on the perfection And you can't just slack put version one point zero of saga into the wood chipper like no version. You without gold is freaky gold is. Let's thanks for your service Saga one point. Oh but that's that wouldn't be in keeping with a respect for synthetic lifeforms. You could just upgrade. They're physicality though like but he's really proud sagas is he likes them. Gold is he. Does HE MOURNS. The is when their diet is when the unique irreplaceable eyeballs. Introit now I don't know it was a weird moment. Yeah a lot of this stuff is a lot of. This stuff is fun. But yeah her touching psycho. These are just lines on your face but they imply so much more like this would be more powerful if she didn't live with an old man like literally thirty seconds later. Just three years younger Brent. Spiner shuffles into the room and says Oh yeah look me. I'm I'm fucking data except for. I got lines on my face but he does the exact same thing to picard. He's like Oh you're so old and so wise. Yeah it's true it's it's yeah you're right. I didn't realize how weird that moment was. Given the circumstances. Pretty Weird Pretty Weird okay. So so. G apologizes for bringing the Romulus here and the descent. Who looks just like Soji shows? Her name is Sutra and she mind melds with Giradi to see what the Rahmael and showed her she sees that the admonition wasn't really awarding. It was an offer of help from alliance of synthetics synthetics. Who might find it? What are we doing here? What are we doing here so this? Alton soom is a genius beyond compare. He's not only figured out how to perfectly create synthetic life far better than his father ever did and at the same time he has taught that thing how to mind meld he had has created a positive matrix. It taught itself because it was pay for it. I don't understand how this works because I always thought there was something within the Vulcan Mind physiologically the let it actually communicate with humans in this way or other beings in this way. I didn't realize it was a skill you could learn. I think it's both because like raw meat like Romulus can't do it anymore. But not because they're physiologically to similarities is because they haven't been focusing discipline. I suppose it's like you know if you had a SPEC- if you had if you had earthlings because we all have the we obviously we have a couple of special power. We don't actually do every one of us if you're healthy adult has the ability to potentially hold your breath for like ten minutes but not all of us. Okay but but we don't have one. We have lungs. Here's the thing I'm thinking. This is akin to like telling being with arms to learn how to cat. No I was going to grow without arms. I would agree with you. I was GONNA agree. That is a genetic basis. I was just GonNa take that. It's like what if you had a planet you think humans you take him on a plane put on a waterworld and like ninety nine percent of the population practices you know suppressing their their breeding cycles and they can all have the breadth for ten or fifteen minutes. And it's no big deal and then you go on the planet where they live on a desert and no one can hold their breath. Pass thirty SEC. Thirty seconds like there's no physical difference but there's a difference in philosophy. What have been practicing and probably some kind of selection but yeah there's got to be some kind of cyanic but then again if these things are like so g is indistinguishable from flesh and blood person but then yeah she doesn't have the vote. Yeah I don't I I was about to say I don't know how much violence this is doing. A star Trek Canon and I'm not really a canon purist but like Data was able to do Volkan neck pinch but I always thought that was just vulcans being strong note right place to pinch and you're strong enough to do it. Anyone can volk nut pinch. Maybe warfied even learned to do it but the mind Meld. Pretty fucking wild yeah. The causes certain level of interfacing with human wind which actually brings up questions about you. Know how? How do you say that something that can interface this closely with? The human mind is not some kind of being a sentient being. You know like would we? If we were to put a human into a brain that had this capacity we would certainly call them a being at that moisture for sure. Yeah so so it brings up all question all the questions that we've kind of dealt with star trek around data in the past But I think the federation at this point wants to ignore after the Mars attack. I mean that's the thing is like these. These beings are clearly sentient creatures with agency of their own ability to like way out like causing effects. And you know risk and all that thing like they're like I hope that future episodes of this doesn't spend too much time belaboring whether these people are not because it's very self evident that they are that there are people even the most limited of them are people and I guess the real question then becomes. Are we willing to suppress these people's right to exist in order to protect the galaxy and they have the in what's interesting? I went and I thought the dual purpose of the admonition slash offer of assistance. I thought was particularly brilliant and the fact that the androids are in exact. Same place we are which is should we snuff out this form of life to protect our own because there's evidence that we can't trust them. Hopefully the things we built will be better than us. Yeah yeah otherwise. We're all doomed. So I'm saying it's so much it's so there's so much synchronicity between Westworld and Picard right now And I'm not even sure. What about in the smartest the smarter way to to to be honest? But there's this yeah. This is really interesting. Like what have we make Because it wasn't a westworld last night that said something about We created stuff that is capable of living forever or being resists picard see. I can't even tell one of the androids of one of these series. Said had some monologue about you made you made something that could be perfect and perfection scared you and made us. I think that was definitely picard. Right yeah watching. We just need to put Mister robot back on the Air Minar. Dr Confusion CAN BE COMPLETE SEATTLE. I couldn't tell you but either one of them could of made the point that like. Yeah anytime you deal with something that you make. That's essentially a copy of you. It's going the trigger. Lack your paranoia and your jealousy and all this you know all these the negative things about humanity and it's fascinating see the androids struggle with the same thing like going from put upon victims to like Holy Shit we we actually in possession of any race all biological life button And it's it's interesting to me then. Turning this idea of being a warning this admonition being warning into it being a distress signal essentially For the synthetics because that might also explain why it drives organic beings insane. Maybe this information is coded such that you almost have to be uh synthetic life form to even grasp it to to to have it not drive you insane when you understand it. Yeah and the other thing. That's kind of exciting is. It's like this is an art. This is almost a synthetic q continuum as the idea. I'm getting they have their. They seem extremely powerful. Yeah this higher dimensional beings that are purely synthetic that are there too. And I'm like I wonder if this is going to end in some kind of like Enforced neutral zone thing like the synthetic hugh will show up and then actual accused show up and be like look. Look I I get that. These guys are assholes but we've got him on their own kind of trial thing and you need to fuck off like there might be this like carving out of the galaxy for synthetic life and it's enforced by some kind of like actual barrier. Romulo in space. Right right I mean I think that's what happened in the The the old series that why we got these neutral zones because some advanced Third Party life form essentially put us in our respective corners. And Said y'all need to chill out and it'd be Kinda fascinating for like artificial cue and real cute to like Joe. You're on our turf on only we get the fuck with the humans. You know I think that would be an interesting way to like in this whole thing but will probably be the bork you weapon two hundred eighteen hundred nine and then getting it's ass kicked. Yeah once once. It hits a hundred nine limit right okay. Giradi goes to see soon to talk about Maddix and he scolds her for killing Maddix and gives her an opportunity to redeem herself by helping them figure out. I think to get his mind into a host body and get out of the park. Play fucking westworld man. Show no I know when they pop that open. There's this like you know semi synthetic Gholam being being created. I'm like Holy Shit. Were back in the park. Yeah absolutely so. It's funny because he sees says I think they'd use the same terminology is like I think substrate was something they talked about in westworld probably because they're watching westworld to But the idea that Bruce was the guy who did the brains and noone. Sunni this this Soon junior as the guy who did the Bodywork so he can't get his mind into this body so I think his way forward is that like. He'll say that he's a synthetic life form. I wonder if the synthetics will see it that way like now. You're still a human transplant. Yeah you got you got all of our strings. But you don't know what it's like to be us even though it's like hunted so you're going to have to be. I want they're gonNA play like that kind of game it could be. Yeah 'cause I mean there's probably distinction if you were take this to starfleet and say Okay Look. We've created an entirely new life form versus okay. Look we can stick you into these amazing bodies He'll look like an underwear model for the rest of eternity I I think it would be interesting to see that argument. Like what separates you that that point from the synthetics. That's a Granada. Ch- yeah like it might just be outlook on things you going to say. That's what I was thinking your your brain your ability to compassion. Empathy is going to be different from a synthetic it might be Another thing is like you know. This is very human like their outlook on life. I I don't know how you do this because I've always waited for someone to tell story of an artificial life where they don't even look at life the same as we do. Broadly value the same ideals These people seem like literally humans. You know they're just as vain petty selfish prone to fearmongering etcetera etcetera. So yeah. It's interesting because I think in organic life forms you always have the common drive which is to procreate to to survive. I think with synthetic life forms could be different because they don't necessarily need to procreate because they can live forever right Repair themselves things wrong. Like replace you lose some but you don't have to like write play this genetic lottery game. Yeah there's no no real strong drive to actually make more of themselves. That's the point. That could could be the difference since. Oh Gee and discuss what they're going to do about the Romulo in San Suture has plan but so doesn't like it because a lot of people are going to die and then Eric is captured just brought in literally broad literally kicking and screaming. That sounds right that I thought that was pretty funny. yeah the and then. Rios Giradi say a temporary goodbye as he goes to get the ship running and she stays at the facility to help with sings work I liked seeing spot to hear. That was a nice touch. Yeah we almost that was when the final runners up to podcasts Name spot watch and we will finally one season in gotten spot siding. I mean this is due. Is Aubrey semantics right. I mean it has to be because Soon would know anything about data's pet right right. See that's brought in by although it's why I love the vagus rogue cat But also yet it's it's I thought it was kind of weird to go back a little bit that the row. The androids apparently all worshiped picard. In some way. Like I'll look like did. Maddox get them all around the campfire every weekend and say let me tell you about the story of Captain Picard chain. How much should that occur? You know spot and I tried to treat you all like property but this man came down and said Nah. Nah Nah not my golden skinned gold. Neither Lieutenant Commander like is that so okay. I know there's something around them being created literally from parts of Data's brain right. Is there any like genetic memory? Here of WHO card is is there like some part of the Positron Neurons or whatever the hell they created. These life forms out of the remembers who picard was to data. I guess that's possible. Seems Kinda dumb but it is possible so then saga gives Rafia tool that fixes things if she uses her imagination. I don't know what the Hell is an arena but was about to say that you'd blow to conjure tornado the underworld entrance. Zelda absolutely roffe says an emotional goodbye wait my notes say roffe says an emotional goodbye to roffe which might be true with enough snake. Leaf get disassociate become one of the universe. Pretty sure I met. Picard as she leaves to get the ship fixed and he stays behind. Yeah I thought he was going to. I thought he was going to stonewaller on. I love you then. He said the world's most insincere. I love you back right insincere. It's all fucked up because like the way this actor portrayed this with roffe. I felt like this could have been a confession of romantic. Love could have been why? I think it's just like a friendship comrade early love like father daughter relationship. It's kind of I don't know man. It somewhat bothered me that I I. I didn't get a good read on like what they were. Actually saying and also is this more about. The situation is a more about him dying. I think look. They have a complicated relationship. They feel like card has a hate. The snake. Don't hate the player attitude toward Roffe so like when he says I love you. There's a lot of baggage with that. It's like he has a lot of affection for this person that he served with for a long time and obviously based on his nickname became very very close with but also she is kind of out there like. There's a lot of stuff that I think doesn't approve of a her lifestyle. And there's a lot of guilt on his part. I think for not believing her about this. Romeo and thing for the longest time was really addressed. They had not fully no. This is my corona virus up the last week it was just a fucking media hoax and now it's like I don't know if you're taking a serious Son This really serious business. We all need to like. Yeah are you gonNA pretend like last week didn't happen like I think she deserves an extended? I told you so absolutely. She's not getting she's not gotten that. No I think that's that's weighing on this conversation Yeah you might. You might be right there but I. I don't know I like I like this moment. I think you know as as someone who is familiar with Howell Reserved Picard is in most emotional situations like him around. Children is hilarious him in any kind of uncomfortable relationship. Scenario is great laugh in Star Trek. The next Russian history is then during that I think the second episode where they all get space space flu. That makes them take off the clothes and get horny when beverly crusher comes in his ready room to give him an update but then she starts unzipping her outfit and he literally just gets in her face and goes home. Remember my mother like that he just puts up the stiff upper lip of British. Haram to caution hardiness I swear to God. It's the funniest thing so this is this. Is this man. At least. He didn't give her the full home while I need to. I need to go watch earlier. The citizens of G. It's the second episode the Nissan now or something like that yesterday's naked. Now I don't know right Okay Picard contact starfleet to get assistance protecting the sense from the Romulus fleet. Nerik Thirsty but said she. He's their first prisoner. The sense don't know how to treat him and so details saga they can't trust despite his protests and proclamations of love when he doesn't get his way he tries to scare threats but she's unfazed and when she leaves. Saga tells and Eric that she'll get him what he wants. Yeah he's just reading from the big book of emotional abuse you know. Try Pity and that doesn't work. Try bomb but that doesn't work Tell sheer spycraft chapter three. Yeah Yeah what happens when you've already burned the bridge? But you still need them. You have essentially nothing to say. I like how they how they focused on the Blue Bird that the saga is wearing. Just so you know like five minutes more happens where that's going to end up. I actually thought it was GONNA be embedded in through chess. I didn't see the eyeball common. But Yeah Yeah. I'm not sure why that would actually do the job. Either I think if you did that the data he would just look at you funny like why did you ram this thing through my eyeball the sucks dude? Debt Sables. Her his depth perception might be a little strange but Other than that. I don't think it would. It would just meeting where he runs a self diagnostics. Where does this with his hands back and forth and then he'd be fun because that's all you gotta do to be right as rain in Android android land Anything else on that scene. I don't think so. Let's move on to starfleet not responding to card of course of course like. Did you not see that coming? Picard? They're not going to suddenly change their mind. Because he found a bunch of right deep-space what twelve and report with a ROM RE report with a fleet and instead you took a board that transport conduit crash aboard cube onto a planet and made first contact with these aliens that we black opted away. You really think you can appeal to whatever regulation starfleet has around first contact in this scenario. They've already banned these life forms. Now Admiral Clancy's doing full on double hand bomb Back at starfleet headquarters and so JI says she couldn't understand the logic of sacrifice before now and cartels are. Oh it's just a matter of perspective essentially depends on. If you're the person holding the knife I this is. I think this is interesting. And it's also interesting against the backdrop of Corona virus. Because there is a you know I think it's a minority of voice voice now but it's it's pretty loud about that sits essentially making the argument of like okay. Look look one. Two three percent of the people are going to die most going to be sick. It's mostly going to be elderly. You know what are how many billions of dollars do you want to put a price on that life economic argument anything? That's a horrific argument to make those kind of arguments. I think for cards. Like look if you're making the argument who needs a live and who needs to die better because you crash landed on the side of some Andes Mountain and you haven't seen anyone for six weeks months and you're you're debating about whether we should eat the bodies of the dead and whether like when we get down to it and there's only three of us left who should get eaten right can you. You're a synthetic I don't know okay but you can certainly derail an analogy moving them. I totally understand though. Yeah that's that's a matter of life and death for but when you're talking about like you got trillions of people's smart in the galaxy with strength and power and like to be or like in this case you've got like a globe of seven billion people that have resources and on wealth and material to be acting like weakened is let one or three percent people die because some marginal utility is seems crazy But the thing is that argument works against Picard because these small android people have two hundred and eighteen. Romulo WARBIRDS COMING THERE. That will absolutely wipe them off the face of the earth their best so so but cards offering them an uncertain. Hope of if you trust me and twenty four hours we can get our busted starship fixed. We can get you all on board this thing and and bone off and or seriously will believe will listen to what I say. Yeah versus calling in the ANDROID avengers. Who will treat you like Thanos and whip your beat your ass and and beat you kill. Ya so I like the line. It depends on if you're the person holding the knife because to to the person holding the knife. This is a necessary sacrifice to the people being sacrificed. It's an intolerable. Cruelty is right. It's it's a complete injustice so like yeah it's all a matter of perspective when you're talking about making the sacrifice and there are multiple sides here that you have to see this through the lens of and for maximum effect as they're getting done with the philosophical discussion a woman screams. She is immediately confronted with the with the The the results of her being lenient and merciful and resolves. I shoulda killed him when I had the chance. And like oh. This is so relevant to her situation. Amazing Yeah so you kind of moved us into the next portion of the cereal takes watch over and Eric. That's fine and asked if he wants to get out of here because needs to services and then so g potter's the ethics killing to survive and be cards concerned before anything came of it. There's a scream. They run outside and see saga stabbed through the eye. And they're gone and so JI laments not killing him and she could've Let's keep rolling into the final scene. Here where Sutra goes on a public tirade against the Romulus and says they have just enough time to call it in this synthetic reinforcements picard employers. Him instead to join him on his ship so he can keep them safe and be their advocate and soon says it won't work because they won't listen card. He's tried this before. And it failed so take the card prisoner and let your body continue her work with soon and finally the Romulus are just a day away. Yeah and the thing is that. She uses a scapegoat Again although stuff pretty relevant that like she lets naric. Goshi engineers crisis to use it as a wedge issue amongst all the sense you know worked in so Gina Microcosm and now it's working for them all at card comes by and says essentially giving the Romulus speech you know like. Hey I'll be your champion all trust in me. I'll save you and I I think Brit spider must really loved it. Coming in is like yeah. You're foolish and these guys are too young and synthetic and and naive the know it but you this is the old picard tongue. Getting you know writing checks that he can't cash And yes I you know this already happened once with Mars small test case not the extinction of all sentient life in the galaxy And listen when it was just that small test case. So what makes you think they're gonNA listen now? I mean honestly this is. This is an excellent point like picard has been crushed into gripping in the integration of logic and reason here. I don't know how he gives of it. The federation either miraculously has to have a change of heart or the q continuum master show up or the board has to the board ship has to take out four hundred and eighteen warbirds. But if that happens in starfleet doesn't get religion than the center or on the run. They're they're going to be sitting here on the run forever or with their finger hovering over speed dial for extinction. Can you imagine if the next three seasons of Star Trek are them on board? Q? With a bunch of rope classic robe clad synthetics. It becomes a Hippie Commune Board. And there's a bunch of half synthetic half board XP God. I can't wait. I can't wait to see what to their faces. I can't see the fusion of of board utilitarian clothing. And they're you know Risa slave girl Dr and it'd be amazing now on the other hand I do think card has a pretty powerful argument with Soji personally here because when he says essentially that she's by doing this she would fulfill the prophecy that she's been so worried about being true which is her being the destroyer right. She desperately doesn't want that to be true. These two things are a war right now in her head and I think he's got a point or as you know soon and the the synthetics also have point what's also fucked up to that. These advanced synthetic beings Left is warning slash Distress Signal For people to find and yet all the organics it turns insane and wants to make a murder synthetics. It's almost like one of those like time. Paradoxes like you caused the very situation that you were hoping to avoid. Yeah they should've left it in sort of a box. Much like the Romulo and puzzle box the box. It only synthetics could unlock yes. They wanted that message to really get the proper people. Yeah exactly exactly. Maybe that's what they were doing with the the octogenarian star system. I don't know why though I don't either it's like I said a cool idea I'm in for it. Let me ask you. This are the synthetics actually lie detectors. Are they actually able to detect lies because we saw that other race when they went to free cloud which supposedly was able to tell but they were fooled by a simple drug cocktail? The roffe whipped up in the bathtub. So like are they able to tell fact from fiction here because like it seems like all they're able to tell like all they could ever tell is essentially like a human like a synthetic lie detector that void comp tests sort of like watch pupils dilate and yeah I can I can hear your heart beat and your breathing became shallow. And yes your your your. Your palms are running like faucets. Year bows released. You're popping a spontaneous erection all the signs are you're up to no good and you're telling me lies. I think that they can't read minds except for one them. That can do a mind meld. So may I have no idea what saga was? Super in. Debate is white culture. Studied the fuck out of it and she can just read people's minds at turns out. You're right you're right. She's boned up on boned up on on on Betas delayed culture. They got a hold of one of them rings. Oh yeah she was hoping there would be rooms. Audie got a hold of a chalice and now they're experts. Yeah Yep that's for the episode sure is Oh so commodore. Oh is personally leading the Romulus fleet. Yep and she's still called. Commodore in she was not in starfleet legal. Legal Romulo named Pomodoro legal legal. Romulo name Lieutenant. Rizzo might be. I know a lot of ranks of Romulus and I don't think commodore they got like it's all weird. Like Simi. Vulcan stuff like pray tour and you know Centurion and legionnaire and shit like that right landing space as commodore. I did call her. Commodore Oh the idol but yeah she certainly is man. Universities referred to as a as as Fleet at your command commodore and like what I don't in starfleet sanctioned mission. Is there any possibility there? That would be wild if they're actually working at even higher 'cause I I don't know that doesn't Unless literally Oh is taken over in a shadow government way the entire functionality of all the federation because it doesn't Admiral clancy things that's the case Like their dialogue. I this season but I don't know because I advise my question is how the hell does the head of starfleet security just bone off less than a day's notice to arrive meal and fleet and engage in and lead into battle yet. Like can you imagine can you? She's blaming her. Cover right here now. Can you imagine the Secretary of Defense like win? Twenty four hours leading Russian fleet into battle against. I don't know some sort of France would be insane. I mean th they wouldn't be our chief security officer anymore love to say like the mechanics of signing up for my day. Okay bodyguards. I want you to take it to the airport. Where we're going to make an unscheduled stop the Russia. Okay seem kind of weird chief. Let's do it in Moscow. He puts on his like. You know fucking red fleet uniform and still everybody's like it's doesn't seem like like you know she has to be translated. Things have to happen to get her there. I would like to see I would like to see. The last hours owes live how she went from starfleet security director to leader of the Combined Romulo on Vaas Fleet Katie Ego. Part to look forward to. Maybe that's what it is the twenty four hour episode in Real Time like twenty four. And it's GONNA show like it's like so much Los Angeles traffic she's GonNa cut through all that red tape to get right to the right. It's twenty four hours for using the bathroom just to make up twenty four. Yeah she's probably blown her cover at this point right like because you have to in that situation you can't you can't you're right. You can't go pilot a commander Romeo and fleet and still be part of starfleet. Unless it's a starfleet sanction mission or you just said Fuck my position at starfleet. I'm now fully Romulo again. Seems like she's she's She's blown. Recover your yeah what coverage she had a half. Romulo and half Vulcan member of version. Yeah what's the kind of background checks? Do you get the you have to do to become the head of starfleet security. This podcast is sponsored by us. Bald move we keep the lights on and everything afloat here primarily through our club club that move dot com. If you like our podcast of you appreciate having independent voices out there. Not Beholden to the big studio and network and streaming service fatcats with with their honest opinions and analysis and insight. 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And so he's the last two he's talking about are the ones for this and before that. Yeah Yeah by WANNA say that. Thanks to David because like that's the spirit I'm going for like this is kind of like when I'm I Love Star Star Trek. And when I poke fun at this. It's mostly vein of leg to stormtrooper smack in his head on. Death's door Dr Death Star Door. It's like I love this show. I know a lot about it and the war. You know about it. The more ridiculous. Some of the stuff is because I'm also thinking like with this. Show be better if you actually came into it with zero knowledge of Star Trek. Just like kind of like accepted what they're saying and because a lot of the problems. I'm having just kind of like this doesn't fit into what I know star Trek. Yeah but otherwise. It's kind of like you know it might be. I'm not saying it would be like it. It turned into a television but like some of these. Minuses are only from long-term star. Trek nerds You Know Calculus. Anyway he continues the one area of your coverage. I bristled at from time to time. Is the way you talk about. The writers and perceived lack of talent more specifically as it relates to Michael. Chaban who I know. You haven't called out directly. But it's kind of implied. Yeah that's fair. I've implied a lot about the people running the show. That don't get me wrong. I do agree that some of the writing on the show is weak and I don't know where the fault lies but it's got to say that I don't think it's issue talent on there at least on his part he's respected and award winning novelist. Who wrote wonder boys the amazing adventures a cavalier and clay the Yiddish policemen's union among others. He's also got some solid screenwriting discredits the wonder boys adaptation Spiderman two. Although more mixed bag with John Carter I dunno spiderman. I don't know it wasn't the amazing spider man two. I thought he was like. This isn't the same Ramey one. It's the Shitty won the Garfield ones yeah the Garfield ones. But but here's here's your point. it's entirely possible to be a very good writer and not be a great show runner because they are somewhat related but also very different skills And the timetables are different than you can't just like work on something until it's done so like I don't think the like what I say. They're not great writers or NYGARD show runner. I'm just comparing them to people. Like you know the people there writing breaking bad. Better call saw and You know. The leftovers and watchmen and things that the The guys major noble stuff. That's like really interesting and nuanced and deep and Star Trek. This has never been that So this is a as of a piece of star Trek but I guess there was a little bit of hope with me that with the card they would try to do like a truly modern. You know serialized kind of Star Trek but they not. They've not elected to really try that Feels like they are trying is just that they're not being taken task for taking the writer's task. I'll say up to the challenge but it's a pretty high bar to clear nowadays. You know if this were fifteen years ago when television was not what it is today. I think it'd be a lot easier to sort of produce some really really strong star Trek in this style. Oh Yeah for sure they also say David says I so. I think it's safe to say the man is lacking talent. He also my knowledge had nothing to do star Trek Disco. I see a lot of this Assertions I'm getting just from like ours star Trek red-letter media's coverage of it I think this Kertzman guy has got a lot more you know they. They seem like people blame him. More than Chaban I don't know Because I'm I haven't really gotten into the history and look at these guys careers Clearly as much as I'm just judging on like what they're actually doing you know what I saw from. Disco the reputation of enterprise etc. So anyway I think we that that kind of covers that concern appear. I like the French flair on the fake French Frenchman. Show says as you're the only really knows most about star Star Trek Lore with lower case L. Secondhand via you guys ever read a read some of the Memory Alpha entries here and there. I really appreciate your coverage. I don't need someone fan boy and hand waving away plot contrivances. I appreciate your honest and staubach takes on the show. Thank you here. I know you're really watching disco but this whole season feels like to be of disco in all of its. Ai Plot the crew of the discovery spent most of last season. Fighting an all-powerful AI. Named control they use Nano bots to control or assimilate humans and corrupt cybernet crew members. Honestly is a massive sci-fi concept but it seems crazy that there's this much overlap in two new tracks here. The only two new trek series has been in a long while the artificial intelligence and disco went so far as utter the phrase struggle as pointless but then seemingly intentionally veered away from any board connection all this to say that it really should have gone another direction picard should have stayed away from the AI for season two. The fungus warp drive was was pretty interesting in season. One is very different from anything I'd seen before. Yeah Yeah but they went for this. It does feel weird but on the other hand gotta say that like Picard and with the data angle and the Borg Angle does kind of lend itself to the most natural like credit. Where credit do I think the central topics that this show has decided to tackle and address Mara great fit for the universe and for the characters that they've selected. Yeah and kind of for our modern society as well. And when they're focusing on that the show really homes the card coming to grips with his failures and his emotional inadequacies and relating that the data. And you know like it all feels pretty good. Sometimes a lot of some some silly stuff gets in a way but but not watched not having seen disco. Since I watched the season two premiere. I think two episodes after that and I might add. This hasn't really gotten much better at it. Doesn't feel like it's a retread the me now. It seems like A lot of modern sci-fi going this direction you know the the bulk of the stuff that's on television feels like it's dealing with artificial intelligence like you just had dead's come out there. There's apparently to star trek series of. Do It westworld. There's a lot of stuff right now. That sort of insight guys to about a fifty s where people like God damn and other flying saucer movie aliens like it's like you couldn't swing Sifi stick without aliens from another world invading you. Well this is like what we're currently worried about is automation and AI. Causing economic anxiety causing replay like it makes sense makes sense That said I felt like this episode. Felt the most rewarding. It's a shame that most episodes that they built the season are As the story completely ignored the structure of week-to-week episodes I Love My myth arts and my TV and I don't think the episodic procedural structure of television is what we needed but it would have been nice to see some of these episodes feel a little bit more complete on their own Yeah I think this the X. files would have been a good model for this show where you know. They're going from planet to planet to do some kind of unrelated prep to the main stuff and they get into little adventures and whatnot. But then there's also the steady ticking time that they have to figure out about the sense or whatever Early season justified. Gone ahead that gangster of the week but then you also have the overall kind of crime family plot. They could have done that but they didn't yet discos doing well. At least in season one was doing something kind of like that it was definitely more more serialized star trek in the past but it was also a you know episode. Acre procedural on occasion like a few episodes where they'd go down to a plan and be stuck there because like the brains are being affected by something or whatever Yeah they did a few of those and then Pierre finally wants to know any ideas with the future of the show holds for you guys. I mean we like you said. We have a lot of fun covering this. I think as long as it doesn't get too crazy in the schedule I could see myself covering a season two. Yeah as long as as long as Patrick Stewart's attached and they don't replace them with the underwear model And as long as I'm having this much fun covering it 'cause I yeah I have a have a ball watching this stuff I could see you're right but it's it's all about the schedule like Westworld Fargo and Better Call Saul and something and Western. The new game of thrones show. Yeah in all comes back in in the same period of time. That cards probably wouldn't get to bump. Yeah like experience. There's other other better shows that are more important to us. Could come back and push it out a schedule but I'm inclined to make room for it All else being equal next email is John wants some help here. Star Trek Card has story a season long arc and this is what it's about the Reformed hundreds of years ago after discovering the admonition which blows your mind and makes most people kill themselves the leftover members of The ones you could survive brain melting admonition. The ones who are now totally devoted to this universe saving secret mission. They did nothing for hundreds of years. They didn't care about data or a law or before any of the robot plots in the original series but now years after sense of become a full slave labor force in federation hundreds of years after they were formed the stop this they spring the action with the secret plan to get all since banned it works at least in the federation who knows about any other system of worlds in the quadrants universe. Bruce Maddix robot assist now whose work is now illegal finds its way into a super secret robot planet that no one else has ever found. He just finds it. I think that's there's one. This is the first flaw. He created this world. Yes he did. Every one of these robots living on it are been born in the last fourteen years or so. Yeah so he made the Utopia. He didn't find it. Yes that tracks now. He's still filled in happy working with Suzanne Center with a bunch of beings just like the ones he had tried to steal years ago data but he wants to stay there and keep working on his dream for for some reason. He sends human passing creations. Dodge and so JI author robot planet to do what? Here's where we started getting murky. I think because I don't know I don't know what he meant by getting to the bottom of the ban like an it seems like sending a double agent who's completely brainwashed was of limited utility to like that did more harm than good but they kind of hand waved away with that with data saying something along the lines of data. Dr Soon saying something along. The lines of Bruce van made him paranoid. All this weird spy shit Anyway says but but he. Lynn leaves the planet for some reason. Which you why did leave the probe? He had utopia here. Maybe he needed some kind of funding. But I don't know why only go as well because he was worried because the Romulus came and nuked his lab. Yes but his wasn't on that planted or something because the Romulus couldn't scan from orbit to see this dense pack of synthetic life's that have to human lives in it too so he's lab must have been totally separate from the place. We visited this episode right. Yeah so you said it was like a spaceport right or like some kind of old like she she. I don't think this is the place to Androids a living on the planet. It's a place. Okay yeah and I was born. It doesn't make sense Bruce lab halfway across the world or in the North Pole or whatever or that she would have been born in someplace other than his lab. Yeah because soon his lab is right there right here in heart of the complex. Yeah so anyway Why did Bruce? Plant a clue to finding a planet and so Jews dreams but also plan inability inability for surgery to get the clue. That's a good question. Because if she's if she needs to find out her plan her where her planets from then this seems like once she figures out like why does ought voucher. Doing what they're doing they could just activate her. She would have full control over memories and her capabilities and she could just get back to them. Like why the elaborate coating in a dream. I think you're supposed to understand that. That is her subconscious positron brain dealing with the Cognitive dissonance of living. A life. That she knows is unreal. Like this is her brain rejecting the false narratives. She's been fed. No no that's the thing like Naric in the season has been pushing her to the edge of activating because he needs those memories to unlock. So I don't I don't think that's a flaw in her programming. It's just a an exploit that Eric is running on her. Essentially right right so. Why was the clue to find the planet just that it had to read moons electrical storms? And then we get there. None of these had none of these things. The electrical storms are weird and like read moons. And all that like. I think we didn't see the red women's as they pull up to the planet I guess. Yeah maybe the electrical storms are. What's going to really do? Do a number on the Romulo and fleet. Maybe there's lightning shoots up in orbit is going to say lightning would just hit the loss of rain and the it had the power would come back on. It'd be fine charge it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Everything Board nights injected in the Lahser in a lightning gonNA strike. It's GonNa Frankenstein back together or lightning. Hits the Board Cuban? Suddenly they can defeat all two hundred eighteen. Romulo and more birds. You know. We didn't talk about so many things even though this is a super long. Podcast like What did you think reassess Siren Tattoo? He's really gone all in on the Mermaid didn't notice it Shoulder Tattoo of a mermaid. Oh Man Once I see this guy in good lighting I got the the the Mermaid Tattoo. And he's got actually really bad bangs that don't they just stick oke rarely see dudes bad bangs but this is just like His his whole head looked like a Catholic. I my mind is blanking. I can't pull up reassert man. Good looking guy but the bangs in good light. I don't know I don't know how I feel about 'em I mean. Obviously I feel bad but Let's see where I can figure. I gotTa pick up my point in discrete here So to Romulus take that one clue that doesn't match the planet at all. Since what looks like every ship the Romans own on this mission? Destroy THE SINS. Where either earlier told the voucher super-secret organization that even the rhyming spy agency towel? She are considered to be a fairytale but they somehow can order up the entire Romulo Fleet on a moment's notice and have it led by starfleet ahead of security. Yeah yeah and the Romans are still refugees from destroyed. A home rolled right. Yeah this latest stuff doesn't make sense. I looked it up when When you were talking about one the scenes wolf three five nine which was a very large unprecedent gauge moment was forty star ships. Boy Okay so eighteen is. Now here's the thing is like this might track in Star Trek Lore that like Wolf. Three five nine was a turning point in the federation where they started like leaning into more nakedly military things they started to do. Dvd defied helping. Yeah Blade of armor. Quantum torpedoes ramping up their military. Then the Dominion War came and all that stuff just went into overdrive so I guess I could believe that like after this Cold War and then you had his actual war and bore explosion that maybe not two hundred and twenty as kind of a wolf three five nine fleet but yeah. How does the super like did? The ROMULUS empire does get taken over by the declare martial law. What does that even mean when you've lost your home world And get to die ASPERA and like these squatting desert planets like I. I don't I don't know I don't I don't think that's show runners do either. Well let's say this is a part of a two part episode and some of this might be explained like it could literally be that she's working with starfleet and that starfleet has dispatched this fleet of Romulus chips. Because who would have Romulus ships at this point right? Yeah like the Rhino in society is all but nonexistent. They certainly wouldn't think have an entire fleet of star ships to send out a mission like this right right starkly would. Yeah but they're all warbirds and it seems like even the Borg Censor show that they're all Warburg's warbirds to I don't know it's one of those things where like this is very star wars. Where you've got the Galactic Empire or the Galactic Republic has been in like twenty years redick conquered by an old offshoot faction of the empire and are now on their heels down the one ship. But like how did this happen? They don't really explain I'm going to give him an episode because it is a two parter but I imagine none of this is explained. There's a lot riding on this two part and it really is. So let's wrap this up says. Meanwhile here is no what this planet is. Because record choice daughter knows an old captain you recognize the description of red moons and the electrical storms again. Even that's not what the planet looks like. What is your. You had a theory that This captain was Acu- That kind of dovetails into my theory that like since Q. And Meet Q. We're going to show up and like rumble. It's GONNA be Jetson Sharks West Side Story. Alpha quadrant story share. How do you think and went accused when you start? You start. Snapping Shit should happen shit world's end Q. Snapping Shit's happened. You feel better or worse about the key theory. I think it would be amazing. There's no way it's going to happen but it would be fantastic and I would love to see it. So they opened up a transport conduit that suddenly knows how to find that to leap ahead of the entire RIMINGTON fleet. I will say it's even though I was prepared for it. It's super jarring to have soju just know everything now. Like just onsite like all but I guess he's an android and it's like locked away through some kind of android science so they immediately get into battle. Eric followed them but it doesn't matter because he's down taken prisoner and has to wait for a sister anyway so you might. Well just come with her. They get to robot city where they learned that. Even though we had to say commander. Oh was half Vulcan. So she can mind meld. Apparently androids can do it now. To card need to ship back so the android give him magic button which uses imagination to fix things cool. That's cool just uses imagination after mind. Melding the androids get the message from God beings that they will totally show up and kick the ass of anyone threatening you. Also they want to kick ass the wipe away all organic life in the quadrant. You've been having trouble with now. This entirely peaceful nicely the planet where they've just been kicking soccer balls and having quiet time for years or immediately on board will destroy all life. Yeah I mean that's that's literally the plot you know. What about all the planets in races in the Federation that haven't dabbled in artificial life are they also wiped out like what I mean? It is star. Trek is held to have this binary thing dogs. That's how about elephants like yeah living together. It's impossible no are they gonNA wipe out like every organic being hell. Yeah why would you wait for once organics so organic life? If you properly appreciate it we are the Sabo around the round that is artificial intelligence. Once we have delivered that payload. We're just redundant we're just hus- sure we can be sloughed off. I'm just wondering. Where's the line of responsibility here? Well I accidentally when I said like the IR liked the avengers and they're here to kick unlike that would actually be cool like if these they weren't there to exterminate all organic life. It's just like we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA beat the Fed this this federation and Romulo in plot and they were going to like. Don't make us come back like you. Better LEAVE OUR AI. Brothers and sisters alone or we'll come back with the the hurting. It sounds like bringing fighting. Yeah why do they have to be like instead of the avengers? Why why does it have to be like from a human perspective immoral? No no shades of gray here but anyway. That's the that's the feedback we had for this week. We'll be back next week. 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The native Americans told about the legend of the golden city and the search for Eldorado led them to cut a bloody swath through the South American landscape, the more they searched the more stories they heard and the more enamored they became with the possibility of the city made of gold men risk their lives in the quest for this treasure. They risked the lives of their men. Some even risk the lives of those. They loved most thus far all these searches have been in. In vain. Hi, I'm Molly. And I'm Richard welcome to gone on the podcast network. Every other Monday, we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned from the amber room to Michael Rockefeller, Picasso paintings to the trust can language, the Roanoke colony which today's episode will brush against to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone. We're looking for it at par cast were grateful for you, our listeners, you allow us to do what we love let us know how we're doing reach out on Facebook and Instagram at par cast and Twitter at par cast network. And if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help us. We also now have merch head to park s dot com slash merch. For more information, you can find previous episodes as well as park casts other podcast. Casts on your favorite podcast directory today, we will be looking into the lost city of Eldorado the fabled city of gold that inspired numerous expeditions into the South American jungle and has yet to be found. The mystery of Eldorado comes down to two possibilities. Either. It exists or a dozen if it does exist. Why has it never been found? And if it doesn't what could have spurred European explorers to devote decades of their lives to finding it. In today's episode. We're going to look at the history of man's search for Eldorado from the early Spanish conquistadors to the decades long mission of, sir. Walter raleigh. Ed, we're going to look into the possible theories. As to why this fabled city has alluded adventures for so long theory, one El Dorado did exist, but it was destroyed centuries before Europeans arrived in South America theory to El Dorado was not a place at all. It was a man specifically a king and theory three Eldorado never existed and the entire myth stems from the greed of explorers and a misunderstanding of the. Native language the legends of Eldorado date back to the beginning of the sixteenth century shortly after Europeans first arrived in the Americas. These tales describe Eldorado as a place so abundant with treasure that the city itself is made of gold it sits on a great lake surrounded by untouched mountains vein with precious metals. Just waiting to be mined beginning in the late fourteen. Hundreds European nations sent expeditions to the new world, primarily South America in search of goods and gold this first century or so of expeditions to the Americas. Featured a number of disconnected searches for treasure Spain in particular found immense quantities of gold, silver and jewels in central and South America, these stolen riches overflowed Spain's treasury and made them the envy of Europe as the conquistadors plundered the Aztecs. Inca and other civilizations of central and South America. They heard tales of even greater riches in the city the natives called Eldorado all of this began in fourteen ninety two when Christopher Columbus arrived at modern day Hispaniola he immediately began killing and enslaving the native Taino people even worse, Columbus and his party exposed the natives to European diseases such as smallpox the Taino had never encountered these diseases before. And thus they had no immunity there people were decimated. It was these diseases more than anything else that cleared central and South America of resisting natives and set the stage for the Spanish conquest of the new world in fifteen twenty here, non Cortez. Brought a group of conquistadors to conquer the greatest empire in. What is now modern day Mexico? The aspects were mighty warriors and had. Really fended off Spanish attacks in the past. But as their people were slowly wiped out by disease, they're forces became weaken, a for Cortez to finally conquer the Spanish colonized the ass techs and ship. The empire's gold back to Spain the conquistadors then turned their sights south the ink and empire was the largest empire in the world. At this time stretching down the Pacific side of South America from Colombia to Chile the Aztec conquest had only made the Spanish all the more, greedy for native gold. And so they began to plan for the next wave of raids in fifteen thirty two Francisco. Pizarro arrived in Peru with a war band intent on conquering the Inca his force was small, but by this point the Inca like the Aztecs had been nearly wiped out by disease as Cortez had done with the ass Tech's possessor conquered the vast empire. Looted their gold and treasure and Senate back to Spain. The amount of treasure taken from the Aztecs and Inca was massive. But there were rumors of an even richer empire to be conquered. And looted the golden city on a lake El Dorado, the conquistadors even knew where the city was sort of in modern day Colombia deep in the Andes mountains, they just had to find it. During the same period in Europe. King Charles the first of Spain had conceded parts of the Venezuelan province to a powerful German banking family. The wells IRS one of the wells IRS main goals was to find L Dorado, and they commissioned a number of privateers to carry out their search Ambrosius anger, whom the wells IRS had appointed as the first governor of their region in modern day. Venezuela made the first expedition on behalf of the family. He risked life and limb on the treacherous journey inland. But he found nothing. No sign of Eldorado beginning in fifteen thirty one Nicolau's feeder men and Georg von spire also commissioned by the wells IRS undertook regular expeditions in search of El Dorado. They searched for eight years and found gold artifacts and artwork. But never the place itself in fifteen thirty one Diego day or. Does a veteran of Cortez's campaign against the Aztecs and governor of Spanish colonized Venezuela, made the first expedition up the Orinoco river, he went beyond the major river but had to turn back when he hit the Rapids at Tories. Then shortly after does returned he died and expectedly then was strong suspicion. He was poisoned. But no proof the dangers of treasure hunting weren't just found on the quests. Clearly, or does is successor haradim o'day or tall continued the mission of exploring the Mehta river for several years in fifteen thirty five or toll sent his captain Alonzo day, Harare, inland up the Julia pari river, but Harare was killed on this trip by indigenous people also in fifteen thirty five Spanish conquistador Sebastian day, bell cather Saint captains and yes, go and Emporia on a mission to find the riches of L. Dorado they failed and returned empty handed by now the leaders in Europe are beginning to notice a trend. Everyone's sent to find Eldorado either came back empty-handed or died in the process. It was starting to seem like the city was just a myth, and that the colonizers efforts would be better spent elsewhere, but then in fifteen thirty seven Spanish conquistador against Sala. He menace day Kasahda was unin mission with an army of eight hundred to find a land route from the Atlantic side of modern day Colombia to the western coast of the continent in modern day, Peru on his way, he heard the stories of Eldorado and changed his mission. Gonzalo led his men deep into the Andes. He had hoped that his larger force would give him a greater chance of finding this city than the smaller expeditions of the previous few decades Gonzalo in his men faced wilderness and the end. Tone and lost many men, but the sacrifice paid off because Gonzalo found something amazing something that would change history and bring him one step closer to Eldorado coming up. We'll discuss just what that was. And how it lead generations of explorers on a fool's errand? It can be hard to ask for help. 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You know, I'm really enjoying season three of the critically acclaimed legal drama. The good fight on CBS all access to it has not disappointed. It's clever smart and very clever. I love Christine Baranowski as the venerable Diane Lockhart. She always gives such strong performances while playing such a surreal and silly character. Parole is reason enough to watch the good fight. But the dynamic cast does such an amazing job with the other characters. Right. Delroy Lindo is phenomenal and Michael sheen. Shakes up the screen as infamous lawyer, Roland Blom, aka corruption in carnet and more importantly, the characters played by Cush jumbo rose, Leslie, Sarah steel, and Audra McDonald all continue to challenge the patriarchy at every turn. I can definitely get behind that. Join the fight by heading on over to CBS dot com slash gone to redeem your free trial. All of CBS all access to watch the new season. Now streaming exclusively on CBS all access that CBS dot com slash gone to redeem your free trial of CBS all access. Now back to the story. In fifteen thirty seven Gonzalo he menace day Kasahda and his men ventured deep into the interior of South America, where no European had been before in search of the fabled city of Eldorado. It was a life threatening in venture. But it seemed to all be worth it. When Gonzalo in his men made contact with the moist of people in the western Cordillera mountains Gonzalez's men saw them Whiskas vast array of gold items and their unique gold working techniques whisker were able to make objects from gold in a way the Europeans had never seen before to start them. We ska created an alloy with gold, copper and silver. But more importantly, they invented a technique to craft objects using a mold of wax once the gold or gold alloy was set in the mold. They would use fire to melt the wax mold leaving only the crafted object, you're. Paean explorers. At this time made note of their amazement at the gold and jewelry of the moisture they said that the chiefs had crowns comparable to European crown jewels as well as gold vessels litters in coffins, and there were stories from the natives of the mois gotta dumping heaps of jewels into the lake as though this treasure was nothing. If this were true, you could just swim down and scoop up a lifetime of wealth. This first contact with the mois go was game changing. Finally, it seems like there was proof that Gonzalez path would lead him to Eldorado the treasures of the moisture convinced follow that Eldorado was nearby. This was also important for the Spanish as they looted. Great quantities of them Whiskas golden artifacts. Artworks Gonzalo also discovered lake what heavy to one of them Whiskas sacred lakes, he hoped. This might be the fabled lake that was said to surround Eldorado, but when he and his men searched the shores and surrounding wilderness, they found nothing still they had hopes for what might hide in this deep. Water tales of the ska practice of throwing treasure into sacred lakes during ceremonies hinted at vast riches in the waters depths, but the lake was too deep for swimmers to reach the bottom and the men. Could not build another dyke with the technology. They had on hand Gonzalez daycare Sada stayed in Colombia until fifteen thirty eight and came no closer to finding Eldorado or any hidden gold. It seemed that his mission like all those that had come before his might end in failure in fifteen forty done. Solids brother airman Perez day Kasahda led an expedition of his own into the gino's Orientale as a tropical grassland east of the Andes. But like his brother Gonzalo Aron return to Boghetta empty-handed fate. It seemed did not smile on the case brothers, but their efforts may have given hope to another pair of siblings. Remember Francisco Pizarro the man who conquered the Inca in fifteen forty his half brother Gonzalo, pa- sorrow became governor of Kito a province in modern day Ecuador while governor. Gonzalo? Pizarro heard rumors from the natives that there was a valley to the east with unimaginable. Riches one thought immediately jumped into his mind Eldorado, he gathered a small group of soldiers and took the risky journey inland. Consol is mission was plagued by diseases lack of food and attacks by local tribes. After losing many of his men Gonzalo turned back, but sent his Lieutenant Francisco day Oriana onward Oriana ultimately made it through to the Atlantic Ocean. And this expedition is credited as being the first European encounter with the Amazon river, but Eldorado remained delusive in fifteen forty five airman Perez day case Sada track to lake guate- vita, though, this wasn't the location of El Dorado. He was convinced as his brother had been that. There were riches below the surface. It took several months, but Aron and his men managed to lower the water level by three meters. They did find gold, but not nearly enough to indicate that there was a whole city of gold nearby. The true depths of the lake continued to hide any real treasures safely out of reach by the mid sixteenth century. The ancient South American civilizations have been mostly. Conquered or wiped out by European forces. This led to a problem the Spanish colonies were housing hundreds of soldiers with seemingly nothing to do. So in fifteen sixty Pedro date or Suwa and low-pay day. Aguirre made a plan to distract these men, and they use the legend of Eldorado to do it to give these restless soldiers emission or sewer and Aguirre led three hundred of them on an expedition down the Amazon river to find the fabled Eldorado this pragmatic exercise ended in a terrible reckoning after one year Aguirre helped overthrow and kill or Suwa supposedly out of retaliation. Because they're suet did not allow a gear as mistress to join the expedition he seized control of the mission and promised his men that untold riches awaited them the mutinied crew made their way down the river ways of. The bogut. Oh, savannah menacing and plundering native villages in an act of rebellion against the Spanish crown Aguirre appointed himself prince of Peru and attacked anyone who challenged his rule. He was ultimately captured and executed Eldorado remained. No closer to being found in fifteen eighty untold Neo disapprove made a second attempt to drain Lakewood Evita by utilizing new dyke technology, his crew is able to lower the water level by twenty meters there the crew found jewels golden armor and other trinkets the moist guy had been dumping treasure into the lake and the riches were almost as plentiful as the legend seemed to indicate but the mission was cut short by tragedy. The dike system collapsed and killed many of the workers. The men did not have the materials to rebuild. And so the quest was abandoned starting in fifteen eighty three Gonzalo he Menez day Casado's, nephew 'Antonio. Deborah. Oh, the governor of Trinidad attempted three expeditions in search of Eldorado during the third exp- addition in fifteen ninety he and his men were captured by the man who is among the most famous to ever seek Eldorado. We're talking about, sir. Walter raleigh. Raleigh was an entrepreneur, and explorer and the fickle favourite of Queen Elizabeth the first early in his career Raleigh was involved with multiple endeavors in the new world, including a plan to resettle English Catholics in North America. But during this time, none of his schemes were very big or very successful. Then in fifteen eighty three his favor with Queen Elizabeth paid off. And she granted Raleigh as sweep. Charter to colonize North America giving him quote free. Liberty and license from time to time and at all times forever hereafter to discover search find out and view such remote. He then and barbarous lands countries. And territories not actually possessed of any Christian prince, nor inhabited by Christian people, and quote, raleigh's broad charter from Elizabeth marked England's first real attempt to create a colony in the new world during this time, Elizabeth was quite attached to Raleigh and didn't like for him to be gone for too long. So though, she had granted him permission for his expeditions. Raleigh himself wasn't allowed to go. He had to direct them from England starting with the first one in fifteen eighty four on this trip. Raleigh's ships reached modern day, North Carolina. But did not set up any colonies they. Did return with two native Americans named Mankato and one cheese. Mant te'o and one cheese ended up being a part of raleigh's second expedition in fifteen eighty five again, Raleigh himself was not allowed to join this time the expedition attempted to set up a colony, but this colony failed the colonists abandoned the location and had a hitch a ride back to England with cer- Francis, Drake. The third of raleigh's expeditions resulted in the founding of the Roanoke colony which infamously disappeared from history some time before fifteen ninety but that's its own mystery for another day after three failed expeditions and failure to establish a profitable colony for his clean favored or not Raleigh was at odds with Elizabeth. He didn't do himself any favors when he secretly married. One of Elizabeth's ladies in waiting best Throckmorton without the queen's permission or knowledge the couple had accidentally gotten pregnant, so they didn't have. Much of a choice when Elizabeth found out she banished both Raleigh and best from her court. Elizabeth also stripped Raleigh of all his titles and estates. The Raleigh was a proud, man. He had worked hard to earn his place in England. He had secured wealth for England's coffers through his expeditions as well as his private tearing. And he had successfully defended England in sea battles against Ireland and Spain Raleigh was desperate to restore himself. And he knew just what he could do to restore his place with Elizabeth he had to find Eldorado. Unfortunately, his quest would only lead defender and death coming up. Look continue our story about, sir. Walter raleigh's, continued fall from grace and cover the current theories as to wear Eldorado actually is. What would you do to stay alive? Would you drink your own urine? Would you? Wait through snake infested? Water would you cut off your own arm? Nope. Not a chance. None of those. You might be surprised at the length you'd go to in order to stay alive and every week the park has networks new show. Survival tells the high intensity stories of people in life or death situations and explores the strategies they used to survive survival. Also examines the lasting psychological effects of living through a traumatic event. And what it's like to return to normal life. 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The expedition went deep up the river and into the mountains after several weeks journey something amazing happened. They reached a place where every rock they pulled from the water was visibly Laden with gems or precious metals, and it was here that the river brought them to a waterfall with a wondrous vista they could go no further, but from their vantage rally and his men Aspide that the river continued on into a hidden valley out of sight Rollie was. Certain that this hidden valley contain the location of Eldorado if he could get past the waterfall to navigate further. He would finally find the legendary city Raleigh wrote about the unspoiled potential of this land in his personal journals. And then later his book about his quest. The discovery of the large rich and beautiful empire of Jonah. He asserted that more riches and beautiful cities could be plundered here than Cortez ever found among the Aztecs, but these stories were all Raleigh. Brought back. No goal. No treasure. Because he could not get past the waterfall this time Raleigh did not give up in fifteen ninety six. He sent his Lieutenant Lawrence Kemis back to further. Explore the Orinoco river and surrounding regions after all Raleigh was certain. They had gotten very close surely Cami. Could finally find Eldorado during this fifteen ninety six expedition Kemis map the geography and the locations of native tribes along the Orrin Oko river as well as noting the plant and animal life. He published his findings in his book relation of the second voyage to Genna in this work. Kenny's also noted that the natives traveled inland by canoe toward a large body of water Kemis was certain this body of water must be the lake where L Dorado was located. But this inland waterway remained to far to reach in sixteen o three Elizabeth died and her nephew James, the first ascended to the throne James was not a fan of Raleigh largely because of the rumors that surrounded his relationship with Elizabeth by the end of the year a Spanish plot to kill James was discovered and Raleigh was implicated despite a total lack of evidence. Raleigh was cleared of these. Charges, but still convicted of treason while he may not have been part of the Spanish plot. At this time in England, it was considered treason to even wish the death of your monarch and Raleigh had been very vocal about his ill wishes for the new king. Luckily for him raleigh's death sentence was suspended unluckily for him. He was imprisoned in the tower of London. And that's where he stayed for the next thirteen years as you could imagine after thirteen years rally was keen to get out of the tower. So in sixteen sixteen Rollie convinced King James that he could locate Eldorado and bring its treasures back to England if given the chance Raleigh explained to James that his previous expedition, the one he wrote the book about had shown him how to find this golden city. It was a hail Mary, but it worked at least in terms of getting Raleigh out. But there was one condition. To avoid another war with Spain King James forbid Raleigh from causing trouble with Spain or its fleet at the age of sixty three Raleigh embarked on his last resort expedition to find out rod, oh, bringing his old friend Lawrence Kemis, as his captain, this expedition was a disaster. The crew wasn't able to restock on their journey inland and were starving and desperate by the time. They passed Santo may Chemi sacked Santo may and killed. It's governor despite the king's ban on attacking Spain. It remains unclear if Raleigh was involved in this decision, but tragically, sir. Walter, raleigh's son was also killed in the ensuing battle upon raleigh's return to England Spain demanded retribution for what had happened in Santo may. So James, the first unsuspended raleigh's suspended death sentence from thirteen years prior and Raleigh was behalf. Headed. Raleigh's death signified the end to concentrated efforts to find El Dorado over the next three hundred years people tried and failed to find clues to El Dorados location by searching and draining lake whatever Colombia declared the lake a protected area in one thousand nine hundred sixty five outlawing further attempts to search for any remaining hidden treasures all continued attempts to locate Eldorado or the fabled lake it sits on Heff failed. And yet people continue to search to this day despite anti-looting laws in Colombia after all there are still areas of the Andes where we haven't been where the mythical city and all of its treasures could be hidden. So where is El Dorado, why couldn't the Europeans? Find it. A one theory is that it was long gone by the time. They started looking the Maya were one of the great civilizations of Mesoamerica. But there. Empire ended in nine hundred AD a full six hundred years before any European came to the continent. Similarly, it's possible that the empire that made the golden city of El Dorado rose and fell before a single conquistadors set foot in the new world, the Maya had grand cities, pyramids and hieroglyphic writing. It's likely conquistadors heard stories about the Mayan cities. Just like they heard them about Eldorado. Maybe they just didn't realize both were long gone. There is even evidence that the Spanish spent time around the Mayan ruins during the Aztec conquest, but they weren't terribly interested. If they found the ruins of El Dorado, would they feel any different or would they also ignore those relics never realizing they had reached their goal. Well, it could theoretically be true Eldorado was gone by the fifteen hundreds and explorers were just confused or an interested that doesn't. Explain why we still can't find this location of the city after all we know where many of the Mayan ruins are. However, this theory is supported by the fact that even today we are still finding new ruins of past civilizations within the Amazon jungle as recently as two thousand eighteen archaeologists have uncovered the bare remnants of settlements that existed before the Spanish arrival in the late fourteen. Hundreds. Some of these settlements are believed to have held over a million people. Most traces of these civilizations were gone reclaimed by the jungle long before the Europeans set foot on South American shores. The Amazon jungle remains the world's largest tropical rainforest with the size of over two million square miles. There's likely many many more ruins of passive, Liz ations that we have yet to discover another major theory is that the Europeans did find Eldorado. Just not in a literal way under this theory Eldorado is not one specific city, and it never was. Instead, this may have been a misunderstanding between natives and Europeans due to cultural differences in how each viewed gold, the Europeans viewed gold as something permanent to be saved and hoarded to signify wealth status and power, hence, those kingdoms fixations on crown jewels. And the like for royalty them we ska on the other hand treated gold as a sacred object, but a temporary one they fashioned sacred objects and votives to use in their ceremonies, and then in those ceremonies discarded, the artifacts within days or even hours of creating them. So when the Melissa and other indigenous tribes of the area talked about the gold of Eldorado, they could have been talking about the accumulation and spiritual effect of ceremonial gold used and discarded over centuries. But the Europeans only knew of gold as something to be collected. So they assume that gold was all being accumulated physically at the same time in the same place between fifteen hundred and sixteen fifty Europe plundered one hundred and eighty one tons of gold and sixteen thousand tonnes of silver from the new world. They took sacred items religious adornments and Royal treasures and melted them down. It was a massive amount of riches, and yet so many of these explorers remained obsessed with the idea of gold and city who's to say that this immense wealth stolen from central and South America. Not to mention the lost art stolen history and Radicati cultures isn't itself, the loss treasurer of Eldorado, but while equating El Dorado to the vast riches stolen from the Americas has a nice ring to it. This theory feels a little more literary than literal to me. The third explaination for the disappearance of El Dorado is the most likely or at least the most accepted in archaeological communities Eldorado was never a city of gold. It was a person of gold specifically it was a king Eldorado actually translates to the golden one according to moist legend at the start of the king's reign. He would give an offering on a sacred lake the lake that Conchita doors were sure was the location of El Dorado, but was actually the location of where the king became the king. Or the elder auto this ceremony. The king would remove all of his clothes, then he would cover his entire body in gold dust after this. He would climb onto a raft on the raft would be attendance as well as four pots of burning incense the raft would be heaped with gold jewels and precious metals. As much as they had the sacred. But temporary objects of the Mosca the people would gather all around the lake they would also wear their sacred. Gold objects and other finery the king and his escorts would guide the raft and all its treasures to the center of the lake there. The king decked in gold with throw those heaps of treasure into the deep deep sacred lake an offering to the gods. This offering signaled the beginning of the king's rain this theory. Also involves a misunderstanding the conquistadors heard about a golden city on a sacred lake, but what they were actually hearing about was golden king and the location of his coronation ceremony, which is a sacred lake. There is evidence to back this up in nineteen sixty nine in a cave outside bogut. Aw, three villagers found in ancient gold disc from the whisker. It depicted exactly the ceremony. A golden man on a raft setting out onto a sacred lake whatever the truth what we know for sure is that there have been countless expeditions through South America in search of the fabled golden city Eldorado, but it has never been found. So how could that be? Did it never exist and difficult to say one last thing to consider is the nature of the Amazon itself when settlements fell or were abandoned the jungle would reclaim the land at an alarming rate, even to the extent that all traces were completely wiped out. We can't say that it for sure never existed because there's a chance that it did. And was just lost time and nature. That's never the conclusion you want to reach. But people have been searching for Eldorado for over five hundred years. Maybe it was just a myth after all. But there's always the possibility that it did exist in all the splendor and glory that the legends described. Until of course, the city was lost time over the course of the sixteenth century explorers from Spain and England tore into the untouched landscape and South America, desperate to find a city. So overwhelmingly wealthy that they're suffering in toil would all be worth it. In pursuit of this fabled city Eldorado the Europeans, directly and indirectly slaughtered, thousands of native Americans sacking their cities and enslaving those who survived Eldorado or no this era was when Europe made its foothold in South America. Establishing colonies that would remain under European control until the nineteenth century in all that time. No man would ever lay eyes on Eldorado, and as modern technology allows us to fill in the corners of the map, more and more. It seems likely that no man ever will. Thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. You can find more episodes of gone as well as all of par casts. Other podcasts on apple podcasts. 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284: How to Stop Comparison Fatigue (without Quitting Instagram)

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284: How to Stop Comparison Fatigue (without Quitting Instagram)

"You're listening to the gold digger podcast episode number two hundred eighty four. I want to read you a line. From the official bio of arial astoria. She is made of sassoon good intentions and has a deep love for car karaoke brunch and flowers. I mean doesn't that just instantly make you smile. Doesn't that sound sound like a woman you want to know. Ariella story is spoken word poet author speaker model and actress and i deeply admire her in the way that that she speaks as if she's plucked the words straight from her soul and send them into mine. I mean during this episode. I actually get goose bumps in tears like actual tears now. She is an amazing woman. If you just had your instagram beat is a space of inspiration is a collection of words at a lift you up and she she is the encouraging pep talk that we all need when the light at the end of the tunnel feels so very far away now one post of hers in particular really caught my attention and it's it's partially why invited arial on the show with my fingers crossed hoping she would dive into this topic with me now. Instagram conserve is this place of inspiration right but but it can also serve as a battleground of comparison fighting this inner battle with ourselves to have in do whatever we see in the perfect images on her phone unscreened happening in other people's lives arielle speaks to how we can find motivation not a comparison on this little app and how to simply simply accept the goodness coming into your world. There are so many takeaways from this episode you guys i am so so honored to have gotten and to have this conversation with arielle and you guys are going to be blown away <unk> her brutal honesty but also at the hope that she gives all of us so here's your permission to sit back relax and meet my friend r._e._o. You're listening to the gold digger podcast where we firmly normally believe that work doesn't have to feel like work self-made millionaire and marketing guru jennifer katcher will help you redefine what success looks like it's time to hear from the experts listen in on honest conversations and learn the best tips and tricks that helped others pave their own way and craft their dream dream career. If you're ready to dig in do the work and tackle your biggest goals. You're in the right place. 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I'm i'm very excited. Okay so i know about your story and your journey just from watching but for someone who is listening. They've never never encountered the beauty that you are walk me through kind of what your journey has been what you're doing today. And what led you to this point yes so i i initially went to college to study psychology and theater so my initial route of this whole crazy thing gets a call work in my was to be at their best for kids avid specifically kids with special needs so any kid himself on what we call be exceptional spectrum so anywhere i between being autistic or aspects or special needs in any kind and so that was my initial identity therapy and all that grout college kind of us performance as just my own personal outlet i love storytelling in so at a time when i started it happened through leader through acting and so bad slowly trickled into spoken word which put me on a competitive poetry team for two years and leading the team on campus in college and then that stems to speaking chapels in different church ovens and speak young halls with different girls with other resume advisors and so hello <unk> artistic spiral happen if you will and i still went throughout college note. I'm getting my degree in psychology that ceram gonna ago. I slowly started to really fall in love with the college environment in the college age group. I realized that was like one of the conversations that were really talked about in my on site classes like this ten year gap from twenty to thirty about what happens in the inbetween you already one. We're out of school and that's been the past you know twenty years of our life then what do we do in how we navigate through so then my child they've concentration switched and isaac. Maybe i actually want to stay in a college. Environment environment and i wanna work with college students so i did the whole upside grad school route and be involved in colleges in. I was gonna work at my university. See i had planned on making that my home for the next you know five or ten years mixed with college and also professional and a lot of my mentors were just this really pushing me outside of the university which i didn't understand i was like you don't think i would be good here like i don't understand and they're like no. This is safe like we think for that. You're cold till the bigger things. Everyone kept saying that your call to bigger things. You're made for like i made for this right here. You know like i'm not made for anything. Bigger the vessel knowing you're talking about you know and so i decided to get closer to graduation in realizing that none of these left brained the planned packages of way of living where really what i was supposed to be doing <unk> this whole poetry artistic thing keeps popping up so let me just do this for a year right because we love to put guidelines on our dreams because they're scary a._m. So i was like a year. I'm going to do this whole creative year and i've been doing it ever since i graduated so i graduated in twenty fifteen metric to say that i've been screwed at because again go into nine to five live. I can't go into any nets practical or anything. That's realistic or stable because i am. I am professionalized being a tornado. I love being and i thoroughly enjoy it. Actually a disappointing might so now what i get to do is performed poetry custom homes uh-huh on status all over the world through instagram. It is also made people think that i am a mom oh fan so i also model occasionally mostly a lot of body positively conversations around swimsuits and an improvement and things like that and in addition mike i still go into the acting in world end because i love it 'cause it's for me and i really appreciate being a step outside of myself and into the story of people it's why i love stories in first place with by ability to take on the story and the joining other people do it like i lifted myself and so now my job looks very different. Is each week works very different. I could be to being a podcast. I could be somewhere shooting sotos. I could be in another country shooting swimsuit because apparently that take you on stage in front of leaders and creative professional's telling them how value the are in how worthy are in how much they have to bring to the table in just who they are in even outside of what they view through poetry sell lexus pretty full lifestyle. If though you know what's so interesting about what you just said and i guess i haven't ever really thought about it but when you're talking about how there really isn't a really great service service or attention brought to those transition years like that whole okayed of twenty to thirty like that's right oh true walk me through it. Years looked like because i can stay without a doubt between twenty and thirty was the most transformation like that was the true gender parents my life. So what did that look you. Will i mean i was in college. I graduated quote unquote late. Extra graduated later as a victory lap to affectionally say victory lap in college because i thought math would go away and it did it had to stay a whole year just to take out glasses and so i had that way like oh. I'm not finishing on time you you know my whole. Life is delayed now because i'm not going to get a job immediately after college on top of that at this point time is supposed to have a husband. May that's supposed to be a the big that his next year and this will change of life or whatever in so that was like a super hard space. I had grown up so clear clear and definitive. Am i plan on what's coming next and what's going to happen in the net season and i didn't know how to do that leaving in college so i honestly i remember my mentor you actually i think you've interviewed her bret baier and yes she would tell us that when she was in post grad she legit with like go to parks and sit under trees like journal home is because he i mean career and you have the space to do that. You know it's kind of like a made life retirement season. If you like learning to mike arrest on vacation a little bit because you literally have nothing else left to do but the thing about this. There's no stack of money just waiting for you. This spended spended already said you have you have debt from loans in in you have college jeff in the near in this tension of do i go home. Do i not go home. What is his home even mean anymore. Annual in this season in this world went up. Just who am i. What is this world. How do i fit in this thing koba world and what kind of impact am i trying to make in that so you're sitting in that tension either as a single person or as a as a married person you know you're sitting in that tench. You both sitting in that tension. I always thought it was so strange like people who got married right after college might grow. You don't don't even know who you are our you giving away now for their friends who are killing it right now and they're doing great. They got married right after college but i worried about the who i was in so in the d._s._m. In that's in terms of like psychology like there's this ten year gap okay everyone graduated high school of any go to college edge and then the tenure skip of like not you're married and you have kids over one of those ten years in between what are we doing those ten years in between and i just think it's beautiful on still toured chaos of space to try all the fiends uh-huh to learn all the things i don't mean learn what you learned in textbook or learn what you learn in a classroom but go out and light in actually learn things and actually gain experiences so ya when i left college i worked five jobs and i just dabbled into uh all these random things all at the time i thought or random but we immerse ourselves in those things because of how they will set us up for later dan all those jobs i had right after college. Literally have become these webs for me to be able to do what i'm getting for myself. Now i worked at a startup clothing. Searching chain company <unk> a little bit not like in it was like in a house like they worked their operations out of their house and so we go to their house house every day a do this job and it was so strange and i did their social media. How would you flat lays gra my best friend who's a photographer to take pictures off. I i would hire their models and then i would close in package. Them and i didn't know how much of that information for social media for branding would comment to you my own story later in the line i did raymond aron for people because broke and i needed gas many and my fellow way i quote unquote hassle and the way that i built you you know about that muscle and endurance or creating a foundation for yourself for later down online and it won't make sense in that season won't be super clear in that that season but you're not just working tirelessly for nothing you're creating foundation in those seasons appear question marks and at the time they feel frustrating and they feel disorienting but they're so so so foundational <hes> and i can only say that now because you know four five years almost our and looking back and i'm like oh yeah i see without you but in the middle of it i might happy i'm going home. I'm going home at my even like all of that happening anything so fascinating <unk> what i appreciate about is i think we all go through that in different ways where it's just this like you know you've been told who would would it be and what to do and and here's the next step for where you're headed by all of a sudden. You're like wait. Where am i headed in. What is except now. Nobody's telling me what the next step up is. Am i like human enough to make that decision. I'm terrified in these are big decisions and no one helped me through this. It's like man what confusing decade and further record drew nigh dig it very straight out of college but your heart and like i said kill it. The injured is friends who also did get married and didn't make it in their marriage so interesting as like drew and i are entirely different people than the day that we stood at the altar when we were twenty three years old however as we've grown into who we are as human beings which is entirely different than that day we've also grown into each other and i think that you know you can clearly see how it can go the opposite correction so i love. I love that you make our caller though because i agree like when i look back at that data mike i had no idea it was to don't really know l. but that's amazing. Okay one thing that i mean you inspire. Inspire me is in fashion. You inspire me in the written word you inspire me in the way you show up but something that i think you are incredible. At in in what i really wanna talk about is the difference between motivation in comparison harrison and i think now more than ever with the internet we are exposed to what could be motivation every single day about what usually turns into comparison so so walk me through just kind of your thoughts on this as we dive in and then we'll just converse as we go i think so i as it's an indian ground for i naturally compare oleander as of four. If any of you familiar with any grab floors i think that they are inherently flawed and so that is a constant battle that we encounter every single day personally and professionally when you add that level professionally and then you also at instagram to the mix. It is a whole itchy show you like. It's it's it's awful and so i've had to learn i think by beginning steps with that process was not on following but muting people it's accounts that i realized why i would just go to and not walk away feeling like excited for them or walkway feeling excited about when i was i was just like okay i could do that. You know we're why am my not doing that or why what she hap. That will have an i. I was like oh nine. He got out of that space. You know we can't do that and so i needed those those accounts so that i'm less prone to see them on my feed. 'em few who quote some type of way about it. You know on the other layer of it was. Let's again as a four. I'm unique. I'm an individual so at the end of the day. It really doesn't matter that someone else is doing the exact same same thing that i wanna do because at the core of how i'm going to do it in how i'm going to execute is not going to be how anyone else has the ability to to execute the ability to do it so then turned into not this cockiness but this fullness of understanding of the way i sit at the table oh and things i've read to the table are not going to be the things that someone across for me. Separate people or brings to the table by what's the whole point of potluck right is a there's a whole bunch of stuff there. Do they go together sometimes. Do they not grow together a long time but at the same time that's left people are bringing to the table and i think so much of this professionalism in this creative light in <unk> personal compares in that we have is because we're show associated on worse fixated on what someone else's bring to the table therefore what a week doing at the same time or showing up empty right because we're so focusing we're so fixated on what they're bringing to the table that we forget our house you know are we forget in the car. Whatever <unk> however that alliteration corruption wants to fall in so i think for me i realise like i can't keep showing up empty-handed just because comparison has tried to stifle what what i know it can bring to the table and so a lot of that came out of that especially in this weird world of like entertainment and this body positively world where it's like oh i'm curve but i'm not quite plus because i'm a little bit smaller than quote unquote plus so that separation and then on top of that it's it's like oh but i'm a speaker at the poet and m my instagram doesn't look like most people who speak an end so it's like finally i might end because i'm in so so many different platforms and in so many different worlds it let the weight of comparison be so much more and they're so many more opportunities for those happen in and i had to literally shut each and every one of them down at the end of the day all you can bring to the table is what you have in your hands to print. That's it. That's all you can do in trying to worry about what other people are doing what other people and then through that comparison. I realize like oh. She's modeling for nike. That's cool and i'm like first of all in one model. You know what you're right. These are the conversations. I have had you neela. You're right. Actually i wanna work for nike as a spokesperson. I wanna wear i so then i started to reroute it not that i wanted to do do that. Direct thing but you figure out okay win. You do have that seat at that. Make you table or insert that said table that you were trying to be at when you do. You had that seat at that table. What are you going to contribute. What are you going to show up with and so then. I started to reroute like girl driven about. What modeling gigs are i'm doing. You don't care you don't actually a bottle now like you're <hes> you're absolutely right and then what will i do. If i'm in those rooms what will l. s._a._t. If i'm in those rooms and so that kind of really helped restructure comparison you can make an constructive comparison right anything can be constructive with if you turn it around so i think i'm in this season of learning and figuring out what constructive comparison but i think that is so important in i am just laughing. I have done that too like they didn't ask me to speak at the thing and then but i would have said no anyway this. It's funny because i feel like as women like we are taught to measure ourselves against each other. I don't know about you. You cross totally wrong but insane anyways. I out more women than i check out men because in my head i'm like oh. She is a great eyebrows or like. Oh is mailing what for men like. I'm like always measuring up like oh. My waist is smaller than than it's like enacting that were taught from a very young age is almost deceive the differences of each other and then spirals into this adulthood where it's like well. She got this job in dinner. She got this interview. I did in then. It's like wait. Do i even want those things. I love that you brought that up because i do now all the time the end end of the day. You're at your meetings so pouty about these things that you're like. I am four house as a result. Do even you even that you know like. Do you even want what you're so busy. Cover the over. I guarantee you that ninety five hours eight ninety point wait nine percent of the time. We don't actually want that derive <unk> right so then. It's a restructuring like okay. What do you actually you know like. Why is this so triggering to you. Whereas this relating to where you want to be a more you expect to grow and ask yourself. Those is constructive. Yeah walk me through kind of your process because i feel like even in the last few months. I've grown a ton in this way but for a long time it's it's almost like a stumbling block that like you just can't get over. Walk me through your process. When you find yourself going down a rabbit hole or even like seeking out negativities activity just so that you like that sometimes i'm like trying to find bad comments and i'm like what am i doing what they do to redirect re navigate to have any practices that you do. I especially within that context. I think that i tend to fall paul into the negative a game as a true before i go to like the grady. No it's not melancholy is just feeling completely like i kind of sit in that space. I've learned how to you to add light and help to those situations but for the most part i just kind of like m. L. k. with sitting in that megawati to the point where it's too far might if i'm starting to lose sight that there is light at the medicine i needed to get up. You know like i need to get <music> out. Even with the negative comments like had really only had like a like a few here and there they mostly come in in the form of liam's which is extremely known as in you know in terms of conversations questions that people will ask me but i think in that space. I just like how to like one. Don't immediately go into the response mode mode right 'cause that's just a reaction and muslims are reactions to things are not going to end up the way that we think yet to happen. Yes until i take a moment to respond and not to respond to what's happening but to respond to yourself internally right so i think going internally internally and having that response with okay. How does this make you feel. Yeah sure we're pissed off you know and like having that internal response before four you react right. I think a lot of times we associate response being all right now. In this moment she responded to me. I responded back but i think a lot of the check doc in really needs to happen. Internally i and internal response before an external reaction and figuring out what that tension looks like m._s._n. Asking asking like why. Why are you trying to find the negative thing right like i think for me it's like i always think that things are just too good not true you know. I have a poem about it about just like not being able to accept what i called. Glorious opportunities are glorious moments that happened in my life that have my main written specifically on them. I have a really hard time believing that <unk> furby that those are destined for me. So what do i do and said i i associate that the negative things of course on the courses negative things have name on them but what can he do that same association with a positive thing <music> with a glorious things you know and so because i'm so prone to leaning into the negative things really having to condition myself that one life doesn't always work within the context of a negative. It's called balance. Rightly can't have a positive without the negative and vice versa but how much you allow album negative to affect you again comes from your own internal response and then you're astronaut react. Can you read that poem. I actually actually have it memorized but i didn't put you on this note here. We go this. Isn't it why i've grown similar with a feeling upholding my hands with both the expectation in the grief that i will pull them away empty of making a catastrophe in every moment that instead of shooting stars atomic bombs will come crashing in their place so afraid that was solar eclipse lips only ever mean starkness not realize that the light the light always comes first. I i once attended a retreat or they asked us. If the glass i was half empty or half full said both but it doesn't matter because it's not my glass to begin with c. Sometimes i've a really bad habit of believing. I'm that old good things that happened to me are not actually for me that they dodged the person they were meant for and wound up in my lap by happenstance she said ed so. What does that mean. You need to learn to accept. I said i guess that means. I need to learn that. I am deserving a glorious opportunities. I am deserving a boreas opportunity. She said i say it with your hands out like you're receiving i am deserving of glorious opportunities. I stood there with my hands hands out in tears falling down my face see i am strangely aware of the fact that i am both human emplo but the mediocrity of mike humanity often shadows the still hint of sparkle in my desk that yes even though i am human end grace filled. I am swimming with purpose that there is nothing happened happenstance about the things that happened to me that my life is swimming with intention even when i think it is not see i wanna be aware of more shooting stars in his tom atomic bombs these days to watch glorious opportunities bounce off my homes like raindrops find them marvelous even if they disappear because no matter how long at some point in time they were by and they were ori. 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I attended a retreat for lululemon they do retreats and so i don sign as a performer and then they asked me mini comeback a second time to perform also to attend the event in that same week i was also going on my first international trip to models timpson portugal bowl so i spent three days in malibu at this yoga retreat and then i left thursday morning to go spend the rest of the next five days in portugal for swimsuits which was not so bad week alone at the time i was also living with family and therefore kids because i couldn't afford to live anywhere else in to do anything else so i'm in this tension of okay. I'm doing things like working with lululemon but i also live in this house with four kids in an addict because i can't afford to do anything out so it was like this tension of doing things but also who were you. You're not really doing these things and the retreat analysis full on cottage just for me you walk in. There's living round. There's a beautiful queen size bed with sheets that are soft and fluffy. There's there's a bathroom with a bath tub that i don't use because i hate to ask but it's and there's a bottle of wine that says party of one and i was like me. I'm the one end so i immediately just start bawling when i walk into this space is i'm like this is all mm-hmm like all of this goodness for me. In this moment and lululemon mike the actual team of women. The people who run with women are probably one one of the most kind hospitable people i have ever worked with and so when you get there. There's close spread out for you. There's a journal. There's here's snacks their shoes. There's books. There's all these cities for you to take in the fullness abacha a on so i immediately start bawling thing and then after that trip debatable amazing amazing amazing and then a few months later and so it was like seeing after thing after thing i was just so flooded by what i call these glorious opportunities in. I just thought that that was a it was for my professionalism. I thought it was just supposed to be for you. Know who i was as a career in what i was doing as a brand but it was so much about my heart to you and so i- pinched my boyfriend for like the first couple months of almost eating because you're real you're gonna go away into the into that home where i talk about watching glorious opportunities bounce talk. My poems like raindrops our first date. We sat on a bench jack river the mature you beautiful faith <unk> stars in the moon's and he read this. I spoke to me. It's called droplets stars by rob bell and he ends the book talking 'bout raindrops and i hope you find like the beautiful moments in life like raindrops and i hope that they bounce off your palms so i tied that yoga experience at lululemon and that book that my boyfriend read to me on one of our first dates leaks because it was like this beautiful cohesiveness of like this whole thing as glorious opportunity and wine not then associate our whole lives of being this glorious opportunity that we have the privilege to live into this and to create beautiful things in this world in only ways that we know how to do and so that <unk> reshape the whole lot for me in since that i've had conversations publishers i did a shoot with kim kardashians bringing area which was pretty nuts like all these crazy things round might instead of going to the place of i don't deserve this. This is not for me restructuring that again reclaiming claiming and saying this opportunity has mayan army and i'm gonna walk through this door confident in really reshaping because when you go into this four in you're insecure about being there or you're unsure about whether or not you have to the table and you're saying i can't i can't i can't you can because first of all your bayer and second of all that does have to be on that on the opportunity because you're there than i really had to work that muscle and myself. How do you recommend and like i am just receiving this. I'm thinking of not just myself but like every we all need this. How do you recommend that like gwizdz. Women start to one except the goodness in like sia. Is life happening for us not to us in the adverse side the negativity like how do we let that go in no. It's not a reflection of who we are like. I feel like we're delicately balancing in and trying to to like keep all the hats in the air at the same time. We're like who am i in all of this. What is this all mean for me. I think we put so much like those questions have so much weight right and the first thing is just don't walk through the door right like the doors open doors open because they're meant for you to walk through them so before those questions start to pulp the weight and put pressure on your ability to step through the doors take it off instead through the door fers and then so much of those answers will come after are experienced through the door right like we realize oh i'm here because you want me to do x y and z or on here here because i can bring this to the table are i'm here because of such and such and those questions start to get answered by the experience alone but we sometimes sometimes get so stifled in show fearful now. Let the weight keep us from stepping out the door in the first place until like what is it say yes in figure out the rest later. He no like <unk>. Yes figured out late so just walk through the door because those questions are going to be there. Those fears are gonna be there. Those doubts are going to be there. They can income with you if you'd like them to or you can relinquish them bursts second so that you can release a weight to walk through the door and let those questions we answered through you <music> living up the experience. I thought i was literally just talking to one of my best friends about that. She was a avid this audition and she's like i can't i can't i don't know why here there's all these dancers here and she was like how do i do this. I was like you're already doing it. So what are you asking me exactly. You know l. like you're already doing at the end of the day. Don't worry about their what they're here to do. You worry about what you're here to do right because if we get so caught up again the other people are doing we miss what we are supposed to be doing in that vomit and then you're in that space to bring you have to bring to the table and you can't even deliver deliver that because you're so caught up and what everybody else is doing right and so i think that mentality it's something that i'm continuing to work. It's a muscle you you know you have to every opportunity arises new fears and doubts n._s. Aim muscle needs to be applied this situation and just really working matt reworking it and working and reworking at because it's gonna come up because that's what life is full of all of that in all of the sa i i agree. It's like you can't do crunches one day. You're going to have apps tomorrow. I mean it'd be i believe is right. Where we i mean monday. Probably the way technology. Is it really good but it means. It's still things we have to work. We have to add muscle and continue. I need a stretch and it's work. You know it. It's worth continuous work but it's a good work necessary work one thing i'm curious about at your story arielle is i always think like you know if you are just starting out and you see somebody like if i looked at you. I was like holy cow. She is like modeling ogling. She's doing all these things and i imagined like what my life would be like if i was doing what you were doing. I feel like a lot of times. We only imagine the good in everyone else's life it forget stage in every level of the game new level new problems new level like new comparisons new level like there's still all junk in every level and a lot of like glamorized because we're just looking at minority wives unfold online like what has your experience syrian spin because right now you're doing things. You probably never even dream. Do ya probably also didn't dream about like hardships harris yeah the <hes>. I tell people all the time because we were like. I wanted to meet with you. I wanna know how you wait you fuel and and how you got there and i'm like honestly our coffee can be like a minute and thirty second 'cause on our us by accident. You didn't like i didn't intentionally like when when i was building and when i was hustling his is not what i thought i was building towards. I know what i was feeling towards. I just knew i was building towards something. I felt crazy okay because i couldn't articulate with that. Something was but i knew i was working for something. I was building towards. Something and i mean the the first three years of doing this. I'm just now in this accord pivot if you will. I just moved out in february to an apartment with one other girl who i lived with actually right after i graduated college and it's been the sweetest space identity <unk>. I would live for a really long time because it didn't think he could afford it literally this time last year one of the hardest summers ever i was raynham louis doing just this audience extra stuff like for six hours six to eight hours to make fifty bucks only to leave that space end it called from the only only job a hat as a teaching artist in say that because they're nonprofit and they didn't get paid by the state that are patriots are going to be delayed another week which means i after comment appearance and ask for rent again. I have run out of gas numerous times because i couldn't didn't have enough money to put him i guess tink and and so i had to push my own vehicle to places that i can walk to gas stations and get gas like an i i've buried vulnerably talked talked about this on my story and so people who have been with me for the past couple years has seen me graduate has seen a cry on my answering him. Sorry has seen run out of gas and had to call my mom again have seen it all because i wanted to be very transparent that what i wear. I am quote unquote. Now is one i did it. I would be here but i'm so glad that i get the opportunity to live but at the same time it was really freaking hard. I me not even a year ago really really freaking hard and literally all within a year those things just kind of pivoted and switch in elevated. Take it but i make it very clear on instagram might when things are not okay. I'm not in a space where i'm able to be positive or to share inspiration because my cup is empty and i feel depleted or ideal uninspired and so i think within the instagram world i didn't want to i. I think this is probably again. The <unk> for me was like yeah. There's hope there's positivie. There's rain barrels. There's unicorns libraries clearing <music> but also there's crap and there's heart moments and their grief and their loss in in their winding all of those conversations in in a little nine grid now. I wanted to be honest in those moments but they i mean a little kid you not. 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Full Court Press NBA Podcast Episode 125 - NBA Playoffs First Round Analysis

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Full Court Press NBA Podcast Episode 125 - NBA Playoffs First Round Analysis

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We had intended to do a preview as we discussed the previous episode, but it's blizzard occurred and Italy changed my travel plans in very significant ways. So apologies. We actually did not get the preview out. We tried like heck to find an opportunity for the three of us to record together. And it just didn't work out. So here we are. So where more informed, I suppose, I don't know that we've all predicted these series perfectly. I I guess we get claimed to when the no one could tell us we were wrong. But. Greg. Quick before we dive in a u update their how are things going and the recent tournaments. We want our first three tournaments playing sort of competition. Let's let's which is what we are the girls down to the Virginia Beach. Hampton roads area this past weekend and huge hotbed of AAU basketball. There went without two starters and two close losses. Won in overtime. They get smacked around by the team. So it was a good learning experience for the girls. Get tested. So losses are helpful help. You learn things Dane hell's the life in this kind of strange timber wolves environment where we're not running the head the front office next year, quiet. Well, I mean, I can't complain about the season. Like finally coming to a close. It was it was a long one in Minnesota obvious for obvious reasons. And now we're just kind of waiting around for news on who's going to be running the show in. In Minnesota who's going to be the coach and hope to have a at least less chaotic season. Next year was is my first year covering the Timberwolves fulltime. And it was got my money's worth. That's for sure. No lack of drama there. At least. It makes for good content. When you have brand new hires across the word fourteen year, covering it's bad, Greg, and I help cover the hogs VP's drew hoops in last summer when they were seeking out new head coach to make further content, but we'll dive in. We're just going to swing through each of the series. As we go through the east. I then we'll get through the west. And we'll see what very curious to see what eight and Greg because we really haven't exchange a lot of opinions observations quite yet. So this'll be a pretty organic conversation not Breese scripted at all, it's whatever I threw down Milwaukee Detroit. I I don't actually have any observations or anything to share here. I think Milwaukee's just gonna walk all over Detroit. A little transparency here. We're recording just about ten minutes after the Pacers out of absolute meltdown and fell to secure what would have been really valuable win in Boston unforced turnovers at the end. Ripe for recorded Milwaukee. And Detroit came out of halftime, Detroit was close looks like Ghana's foul. Trouble. Just going from the bucks cry looked that was part of that. But it looks like Milwaukee getting some not surprising separations like half has record. But not going to be watching that we will record. The I is have observations, Greg. I think even following this one a little bit more closely than I have anything work-sharing with our listeners on on this series that I think it's going to be wholly uncompetitive for me coming in and in it sounds like a little bit of a yes conversation, but the intangibles in the mindset, the confidence doubt and in the eye or lack of doubt. That's what I wanted to see most from the walkie because you know, having followed Atlanta covered Atlanta, we saw the boot and ultra teams Atlanta have really strong regular seasons. But come up short in the postseason and you'd see them go up against the Cleveland with abroad. And and they just look like they understood they weren't better team. They weren't supposed to win. So what I wanted to see most out of Milwaukee was just killer instinct, and a lack of doubt in their mind and a confidence that yes, we're the number one seed for a reason we had the best record in the NBA east or west than we belong here. And we belong in. The finals in game one. I saw that in the rise top to bottom, they have the credible debt. Of course, they have a superstar in you know, a chance of being peon. But overall, I just wanted to see the confidence the hunger in the the killer instinct, and we saw that in game one in game two the to be taken by the horns here. So that's what I was looking for most. Yeah. Even the sixty when season under Putin holes or the first round match Brooklyn was more work than it should have been the second round met up with the wizards missing John wall for most of that series was warmer than it should have been so yeah, super interesting to see just kind of mentality entering this postseason, despite the fact that the, you know. That beat holes got the hawks number one seat that years well, and they did not impress throughout the entire postseason. So I think that's good observation day and anything that you are following or finding interesting in that series. Well, I just think the huge question with Milwaukee is that Janas who's a completely different player this season. I would say than than last year, obviously ascended to another level, and it's gonna be it's going to be an interesting juxtaposition. Once they eventually do move through Detroit here in the first round and move to Boston. I mean, there's just going to be very little strife for Yoenis in this series. And then I mean, correct me if you guys think I'm wrong here. But I'm not sure there's a a better team in the league to handle Yana specifically and the bucks attack than Boston in the second round. So I I know this is a little presumptive to to jump ahead a little bit. But I'm kind of locked in on that being sort of a fascinating series where we're going to really be able to see what is boosting holes. Or what is what is this against a competent defense for seven games? And. Are they going to be a team who can't push themselves into being a finals contender? I'm I don't think we're going to learn anything from the Detroit series. And I'm ready to learn what is going on with them versus the Boston defense. I mean, my right there like Al Horford Aron. Baynes, I can throw a million different wings at at Janas. Like that. I found those games during the regular season to be really interesting in the the adjustments that Brad Stevens made. Yeah. So I took a look at the season series Milwaukee. One five recall correctly, two to one the wind came in like on November first so eons eons ago now and the second game was like a double digit win ski in the third game was what are two point win for walkie. So it does seem like it would be a very competitive series. We all saw the players on the bucks roster last year struggle mentally in a match up in the first round with Boston. And so, you know, you wonder if that recall might work against the mentally despite the fact, they are working under a new coaching staff now, and certainly knows coach longtime move the Spurs us has plenty of experience reading helping ready teams for play offs and those sorts of things, but do your point Dane now. Greg Jaanus is not the player. He was last year. He he in my mind from start to finish was the most dominant player in the league. And what's different to me now, especially towards the end of the season. It looks like he knows he's the best player league. I mean, you just has carries himself with that much confidence. He attacks in such a way that he knows like I'm just too long. I'm going to get around. You can't stop me. Boston is really good at kind of defending with a crowd. And so I think that is a good point Dame you made there in terms of this being kind of master per probably really see this group be tested for the first time. What are your what are your thoughts? Are you more on the site of the walkies just to kind of overwhelmed them the bathroom? Bill Welke has a lot more depth Janas says a better player than Korea the best player in the series. But Bautzen is really good at it. Kind of defending what the crowd so thoughts. Greg. Yeah. I mean, Boston is going to try to be as disruptive this. They candidate silly. But it's tough because one, you know, honest is on us at the same time to you know, that sort of the narrative that seems to be the low hanging fruit is about trying to force you on us to shoot. Well, if you could put force shooters on the floor around you on us in the bucks. Do you know that changes things the honest has not been Simmons Janas much much better finishing around. The basket is much more efficient scorer in. He's just much harder to guard her shore. So it's not like, hey is the same approach you take with the Sixers sevens. But to me is is hand Boston p disruptive enough to pensively to force Milwaukee off of their game offensively away from the things they wanna do. And where Milwaukee's gonna have to be the alpha male is is they're going to have to mentally infancy. We said now you are not going to take us out of our rhythm. You're not gonna take us away from what we wanna do. We're going to do what we wanna do. So that's what the question's gonna come out to. They may have some moments in that series where Boston trust sorta get Milwaukee on the ropes. Maybe get them thinking a little too much. Maybe get a little bit of doubt. And in these not playing rhythm and not as focused at his aggressive need to be. I think that's the best chance boss. The I'm not at all saying Boston can't with that series. I'm just saying if a walkie place the way they're capable of playing, and they stay focused is going to be really really tough for some. And this it might be critical. How quickly now Boston might people to supposedly the Anna because Horford was questionable for game two tonight. He's been struggling with that knee all season long. I have no doubt that he's really be the primary defender again, they're going to try to fit with the crowd, but was taking the individual assignment of being the person that's matched up with John. It's going to be Horford. So if they can get Horford office feet by maybe sweeping, Indiana, Indiana's. Played six quarters very very well with Boston. So won't be surprised at all. If they get at home. So Pacers fans don't. Assume that I'm projecting that this was going to be a kind of end up being quick series. They should be a pretty tough team to beat at home. Given the fact that again, they played six very good quarters in Boston. But you know, sort of like we talked about James harden. Chris Paul last year need to get through the first two rounds. Ten eleven games at the most because of the propensity to have fatigue and injury issues getting Horford off his feet. I think would be critical for success in Milwaukee anything that you had in your mind deign to talk about for the potential sicker. I'll match up there that we didn't get to. Yeah. Just just quickly. I I went back today and watch all Janas field goal attempts against Boston this year. And it was interesting going through the the three games, and they really went to Horford on Janas in the last game as the primary matchup and they try to. I mean, they had Shamila drei guarding Jaanus a bunch in the first game. And we're we're very willing to switch any of their wings onto Janas. And then they used Horford as like the when you talk about defending with a group like he was or crowd. He was that that second defender who is who was helping over to you know, to contest those Janas shots. But then in the third game they did move to Horford exclusively. So that'll be something, you know, I'm kind of looking at because I just think I mean in any one on one situation if it's against any of their wings, particularly Marcus Morris. He's going to completely go right through any of those guys in NBA dominance. But to a Greg was talking about a little earlier is agree. He's not Ben Simmons. And in that he is. An exponentially better finish around the rim because he's the best at that in the league. But his field goal percentage outside of the paint. This year is also what I looked up was twenty nine percent. That's Jaanus this year effective field goal percentage thirty seven point two. And if they're able if Boston's able to effectively defend with the crowd and keep him as far away as possible from the rim. And I think you're going to see him left wide open from three if he's not able to knock those down it take them and knock them not at somewhat of a decent rate like that could be problematic and just kind of sticky for the Milwaukee would be fascinating to see. And if if that is the matchup that gets there, we'll dig in even a little bit more, deeply my. Foundation of why I think Horford is the key to on ball defense for Janas is that you see time after time or time in the best example, probably that people will recall, isn't that Phillies series last year Horford a so good at preparing for his own individual defensive assignment. I mean when you look at how big Joel Embiid is Horford really had no business. Trying to contain him. But he absolutely just locked them up. And that was about preparation that was about not letting him beat get to the spot. He wanted to get to beating him to the spot. Sprinting down in knowing all the little things at the atomic level of basketball Xs knows there's nobody better than Horford at preparing for assignment like that. Which is why I think Brad Stevens will we'll turn their let's talk about two versus seven. So the very first playoff game in the postseason of Orlando got of fairly unexpected victory in Toronto unless you do, sir. Recalling all of the Toronto first game history. I don't remember how many game ones eight loss in a row. I think it was around six or seven I don't really exact number. And Lowery went over seven from the floor. So we saw all the Twitter means you've ever watched see related to the calories own personal playoff. History is supposed to give one history. But people who are making it out that Toronto just kind of didn't show up or mentally was not up for the task of a game. One again, like I want to take a minute an honor what Orlando accomplished in the game because I cannot remember a postseason game where I saw start to finish better defensive execution than I saw in that game their rotations. They're help. They're shading of help their turns. These defense was all like, plus I got really couldn't find. Much if any fault at all. So either want to jump in that defensive performance was masterful. And it it is it does it deserves. Attention. I know that it's it'd be easy after game to go. Oh, well, you know, it was a one game kind of anomaly, but Orlando is never going to be a super impressive team offensively in a moment. We'll talk about Toronto's doing the kitchen the series. But that defensive performance in game one is as good it was a performance and a postseason game ever. I think either of you have any at that. Go ahead, Greg. Yeah. Well, I think that Toronto fell fell for the trap little bit. Which is you walk in like took it through lightly. And that. I do. And I don't think that I'm not taking credit away from Orlando which Landau did have a game defensively. They did execute it. And they treated the game as though no you're not supposed to just come here win. You know, you Tronto the better team shirl ended knows that Toronto's liberty. But that doesn't mean they're Orlando's just gonna lately down display dead and let Toronto series. But for me, you know, I think a lot of people still think of talk about arlando as though they're still like a twenty five win team who somehow like won the won a drawing to get in the playoffs or something. They're not, you know, they're not they made the playoffs. You know? It's stupid flippered his coaching them. They're gonna play hard. And they're going to have a game plan in Toronto. It's clearly better team. I think Toronto learn their lesson is is even the two versus seven in even a guest Orlando better. Better focus, you better understand what you need to do. You'd better execute. You'd better be thorough in what you're doing on the floor, or you know, they could get tripped up especially around one where you know, the margin for error is is I think the key threat here in terms of your Orlando having any sort of fighting chance is in playing through the player that's been their best player all season long. That's obviously and only seven Fogel attempts in game one, despite the fact that the. Tronto loss. They denied him of really anything that he was wanted to do. They deny the ball. Luckily for Orlando in the office of side, but DJ Augustine and forty eight head wonderful performances. She didn't permit permettre and getting to the rim. I thought that in game two Tronto came out and had a little bit of judgement for Marcus all to not game so far away from the basket and really turned early into into permanent shooting team. They're they're finished eleventh in three point percentage. So they're they're at above average shooting team, but Toronto's no average defensive team in there, obviously Semaj. But if you. You know, I sort of hate doing this. But I'm going to frame it this way you just second because it works for the situation. If you someone told you they've only have six made field goals, the first two games, you'd probably have zero expectation that series will be one Orlando smoke them one eleven to eighty two in game two. Any expectations day in for how this is going to go going forward. You know, technically Orlando has quarter vantage now getting getting one of the two wins up there, or do you think Toronto just needed to kinda be woken up to take this seriously as Greg Jessop? Well, unless Orlando can find a way to three abusive each to have cleaner looks which I don't really know how they're going to be able to do because assault do that. Because Gonzales defending usage, very, well and just a one on one capacity to when those situations arise. I just think as a big man, it's it's really tough to to tap into your secondary skills, which for him is, you know, being stretched the floor and occasionally shoot a three or a distributor off the short roll. Or what have you it's hard to tap into those skills? If you're not getting fed in your primary spots, and you know, seeing a couple posts ups turned into buckets early in the game. If if Toronto's taking that away they're asking to I rely on is secondary skills and work from the outside in, and I I just think as a big man, that's really that's really tough to do. And I have two nurses credit to to find a way to take away their their opponents primary offensive weapons first weapon. If arlando can't find a way to unleash that. I don't I don't know how they're able to get enough consistent performance. Even though they are great defensive team. I just think they they don't have the other offensive scores to to be able to keep pace with Toronto. I mean, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised to see the raptors moved through this pretty quickly in in two or three more games. I mean, they looked they looked dominant in game two. And while it was it was fun to see DJ Augustine go off in in game on there's just I agree. Orlando isn't the twenty five win team anymore and they've been playing a lot better. They're good defensive team. They don't they don't have the firepower in my opinion to to be able to keep pace with. What was a really good Toronto team this season and a Toronto team. That's now playing qui- and his now, you know, as I think is twenty two games this year. Kyle our miss seventeen. It just I don't I don't think this one's going to be is going to be very close. Even though I in my heart. I'm sure and four Orlando because I I want to see these series go further, but I I really think Toronto's us on another level. Yeah. On some levels. It's also fair to ask any team to come up with two defenders handle Hawaii has Scott them at the same time with their Lifan athleticism and the force that that they play with the right now to me you've been plays with more force than Kaleida clay is almost robotic in terms of the way he gets his shots. But see how comes hasn't been through injury that quite been through with these younger an e he's certainly a sending in the league. But on the Orlando is not gonna win two games. And I don't think they're winning another gave me unless it's going in Greg this to you and tap into your your coaching mind things. I'm not seeing Orlando. Do you are things that they didn't have to do throughout the season. So excellent knows. But I'm going to try to keep a kind of brief across the. Season. Orlando used spacing to create opportunities for visits to operate. Whether it was the low post near the baseline or in the at the elbow. He's also a really effective pick and pop guy of you're playing a team that the drops heavily like Sega Brooklyn team, you know, but what I haven't seen a or entities used cross screens to free up to give visits able to get to a spot, and he's like flex action where the four comes down and sets basically effectively a pin down right along the lane. So that we can come up to the elbow. And so sort of that pre action that Orlando didn't have to use never had us personal season because they were in their easing spacing different. We switch Greg. What do you do when you're coaching a team that you you're leading score is your big, and though teams just not letting the big touch the basketball where person wants it. What do you do what I do is? I asked my big, please, please draw. Second hinder. You have got to be. Recive? You've got to command presence, you have to command the attention of the defense in you have to draw second if you can't score one on one, and they've got someone that can stop you in match you up that you have got to do something to draw a second of girls or eleven twelve years old we work on all the time with sweet week say collect collect elect another defender. He's gotta do it somehow and his coaches in his teams that got put him in a to do that. If for me when Arandas played at their best it's been what they play with pace pace in the half court offense, which means the motion off the ball, the cutting back cuts front cuts everything they've got to be moving at a pace in speed that really threatens the defense. And I think when they're not playing well is when they're just not they're not playing fast. You know, one thing that Toronto noses Orlando really is you know, like every team they shorten their rotations in the play offs. And they're really playing without a second point guard Augustine's willingly pointed twenty five twenty minutes. So. So I think what's wrong could do in. I think they had good more. Visit new to the didn't gain one. They forced more turnovers in game two in the didn't gain one. But when a team doesn't have a point guard you can slow down deny the first action the primary action that they want to do hat forced upon take longer to get into their offense of set. And then when you're working through a big is naturally more deliberate type of offense than what you're taking this. Let's say a guard. All handler who's initiating the offense. So I mean Toronto understood that you know, let us playing without a metre point guard Augustine's off before and they can certainly use ball pressure to slow down deter our arlando first action. So those are some things I saw as far as differences between into one the point now on their Orlando side with it's really shouldn't surprise you think about it. Just because of how solid of a coach Steve Alford is but the composure they had in game one. I mean, this was Jonathan Isaac. I grew playoff game. This was Wesley. I. Playoff game for Kim. Birch. It's maybe just, but I can't recall, but but especially the young guys that are year one year, two guys composure. They had in game. One was really impressive. Dane any final thoughts on this series, you go. I just thought that was a good point. But the transition I mean, Orlando's generally a slower team plays with a slower pace, and they do that. They're looking at up now twenty eighth in the length of possession after made shots. But it's when they do get out in transition after forcing a turnover. I mean, that's where they gotta run. They got they got to try and find their long athletic wings and other non Mussa vich players to get easy offense in those situations. You can't just get a turnover and say and slow it down and say, okay, whereas richest post them up again like yes, he needs to be a mainstay of your offense. But only in the situations that demand that if that makes sense so. Yeah. Playing faster. I just don't know like that's a little bit out of their comfort. It's own. I would assume so it just again to me. It's it's a it's a tall task for them. I'll clarify to I'll say by playing faster pace doesn't need to increase. What I'm saying is forcing the defense to defend one cut or two cuts. Depend them force to defend the third Cup fourth fifth gun. You know, really is the speed of which you're off the ball movement isn't the offense you can use all shot clock. But he makes the defense worker for work and fend more cuts defend more screens in defend Moore, revolve rotate, all strong the weak side. You're going to get better shots better looks. Yeah. Invasive which is a good interior passer. He's got good hands for big, man. Generally, speaking. I just think they need to defy again Tronto is doubling vucevic every single time. He touches the ball either anywhere below the nail. And they just have to identify where that second defenders coming from. And I do think that if they can identify that they can get somebody at the rim where we can use interior passing. At some point so dates point getting some buckets and transition, and then Greg's point making them pay for doubling at least sometimes you know, is really the only path that Landau has to matching Toronto's offensive output. Let's go to what's baby been the most fun series. By now, Philly Brooklyn Brooklyn similar to Orlando a ton of composer in game wine and their first playoff game. Of course, the their team is not quite as young as early. No. There's still one of the more young teams in the league. But we're now one one Brooklyn basically dominated them in game one in game one. Well, first of all for me to kind of go on record to say before the playoffs started. I thought if Embiid was healthy Philly was as lucky to come Isa's, and he wanted to because I think I think that he's a problematic matchup for Milwaukee. I think Greg, and I've talked about it after the trade deadline. I think the primary if not sole reason trying to create for Marcus oil was to prepare for a matchup with Philly and bead. Then game on and be clearly comfortable it like himself his zero lift he wasn't moving. Well, he could still kind of find his way to the free throw line when he kinda had the energy or felt that he had it in him to do it or needed to get there. He was settling for three point shots in game. Two of first half was very competitive, but it'd be it was not settling for three point shots and be looked of as weird. He looked off and on in the first half in the third quarter. I don't know what they did to him at halftime. But he he'd looked fantastic and the third quarter in a be just took over the game in the third quarter. Everybody's talking about the fact that Philly across the whole season struggles to keep a opposing guards in front of them defensively, which is weird when you think that Jimmy Butler on this team by his harasses on his team and Simmons is on his team. Don't know. What's what's the? I've never understood what that's about. But that is a true state, but they have trouble keeping in front of them. So so Dane, in my view is that if in bead of fills anywhere close to the way, you look like he felt in third quarter. I don't think Brooklyn really has a chance. I mean, they drafted Jared Allen either starting center, and they don't he doesn't profile to be guy that's going to take a massive center. Like Joel Embiid and really do much with him at Davis is a thinner guy. And you know, they want quick centers because they wanna play with a ton of pace. Philly doesn't mind that especially when the Beatles on the bench, and Ben Simmons is is wanting to kind of run during those moments. What's your outlook for where Brooklyn here? And you might have to talk about it in two different ways in bead fills from here or and b doesn't feel Greg from here. I think those are two pretty, you know, different paths, but give me your assessment. I just think you need to be very opportunistic in the minutes that draw does not play. And we don't know how many that'll be maybe that's twenty four minutes of the game. Maybe it's twelve that. He doesn't play it that will be dependent on his health. But when he's off the floor, you need to dominate those minutes, and that's what they did in game one the thing, obviously that kind of comes to mind his they did a really good job on both Ben Simmons and Bobin Mariana vich. And if you're able to lock up in those situations, and then go tap into those straight line drives, and whether that's through Spencer Dinwiddie or Daniel Russell on the offensive end. When Embiid isn't there in the back line because Boban is not the is not the rim defender anywhere near to the level. That Embiid is. I just think that's how you kind of you make some hay. Because as we know when that's six or starting lineup when they are all in together healthy is dominant. I mean, there's just so much talent. And it's almost impossible for any team to match up with it. All in a lot of ways does neutralize Jared Allen who is a good defender during the season. But I just think the stat pops for me is they were that was the best is the best lineup. When those when those five new starters played played together on one hundred sixty one minutes. I have here in front of me. There are plus seventeen point six you take him beat out and their plus four per one hundred possessions. It's it's just they're they're they're an elite team within bead without him. They're not they're they're they're a middling team. So we don't know what in beads health status is going to be. But if I'm a coach going up against them. I'm looking every single time that Embiid steps off the floor is is a stint that my team has to win. If we want any chance at at competing with the Sixers. So I read that the south to make a Lynn beat is of the best and there are times when and be the only playing about a three and a half minute stretch, just depending upon how many stoppages there are. Are free throws centered cetera. Philadelphia would help themselves by getting into bonus early and quarters because that tends to create opportunities way impedes not just running up and down the core possession by possession buys possession. Each stoppages. It's going to help in be just a little bit. But it sounds like to me day, and they'll kick this over to crag that what Kenny Acas the needs to do is to make sure that he adjusts his rotation. So when beat is on the bitch his best man lineup is on the court. That's correct. Yeah. I agree with that. And because we jet out and just no really just no match of her. But they don't really like the point is the point you're making the point names making is they don't have anyone that can play envied. So yeah, you gotta get a right right team out there on the floor. When be in Vidh is often floor in Tennessee is to want to go fast, or when it becomes off before believe Philadelphia place faster because my unless you to Bogue on is in there. But sometimes Mike Scott's point in five, and they're they're really trying to go early fast. So you have to be clever with your matchups. The other thing that he'll Philadelphia. Does it they stagger? Their substitutions a little bit of differently than anyone else in the league guys where it'd be usually comes off just maybe four or five minutes four minutes in the game. Because back later the first quarter in if you wanna roll with your current a staggering, if you're Kenny Atkinson, you know, just play what your players are used to offer with that may not really be the best formula. So I agree with you. I think he has to think about his substitution patterns, and he has to play matchups and another thing. I'll I'll talk about on the Brooklyn side clearly Dudley was effective in game. One the playing game to that that factor done to some degree. Probably everybody has a different opinion about how critical that was Jared Dudley should not be a solution. Biggest Joel be across the southern game series. Despite how smart he is spite. You know how? Deceptive. He is. And just the little things he does day charges, and in those sorts of things that he'll find opportunities where he can kind of get shove in here or there or whatever just to kind of create just a sensitive comfort but across this game series unless I'm beat. It's just feeling not is really struggling with that knee that should not be the solution. But you look at Brooklyn guards, you know, the ngelo Russell really ascended this year, he's probably going to be in top three Muslim proof player. If he doesn't win it Spencer did with the occurs will probably. On on the short list as well mistime with that injury cetera. But. Philly and game two seem to be dictating. I think smartly. That if we get if we can use our defense to force one of the Brooklyn guards to be the person attacking our defense. They want it to be livered, and that may sound ridiculous because of how much liver it has improved. But there's a big difference between de low Spencer did what he cares the word. The ngelo Russell is Mr. dealing with these see every single pass and Philadelphia is using on most pick and rolls, strong hedge, and then a quick recover and I posted on on Twitter. When specific example, where livered I think it was down the end of the third quarter of game. One Mark Carroll set. A screen JJ showed really hard and liver had Demark Carol free at the rim for a good three seconds needed. Not even see the pass. And so I think they know when Dinwiddie or Russell are attacking days like those guys that can knock down shops, those guys that can take their guy off the dribble to get to the rim. But if the defensive execution. Opens up a pass. Both those guys are gonna see XQ pass. Maybe that's something over kind of adds to his game next year. But it is a massive delta in terms of what liver can do when he has the ball. He c- he sees the remedies eases defend defender, and it's like, that's all he sees. So Greg that's kind of a coaching thing. I don't think it's going to become a guy, but you know, takes a step between the postseason and seeing those plays the next place maybe next year. But I think a swear to Philadelphia to force it to lavar because he's a less versatile, and they and they they can take their time on recovering from this. From the initial ball spring any thoughts on how Philadelphia's kind of handling that part of their execution and trying to steer towards being the tackle on possessions. Instead of better passers offers. Yeah. I mean, good defensive teams can force the Vall to wehrley where they wanna go in Philadelphia over the past two seasons when they've really been at their best playing the best defense Rivera. Very smart. They always have known how funnel the action to impede of because he's such a terrific offender uncover so much space. He can sorta get to the ball without completely abandoning his men when he's providing healthy bent. So. Yeah, it says certainly Philadelphia's ain't there in I'm not sure Brooklyn has a response for that. Because he said the secondary ball handlers booklet just are not as clever or not as comfortable really seeing the whole floor in be able to make the passes that they'd be made that he can skip you that little bit of window. That's a stare or your. Yeah. And one thing to keep an eye on in terms of just watching. How much Adkison does or doesn't trust over the in this first playoff? Go for him is if we start seeing more Shabazz Napier at a little bit less curiously were because Napier, obviously Nuff athlete. Obviously nothing dynamic a tactic dribble life liberties. But he sees those passes that the ngelo Russell in constructed to execute them. And so is kind of causing ball stoppage. Keep preventing the ball from using the way it should Acton will turn to Napier. I think if if that's the difference in released in the game or or having a three minute stretch where you've got the guard pie that you want Dane quick one for you. And this is a surprise question. Tobias Harris, look like he's got a not ready for this role this amount of publicity. The all these eyeballs on him watching him. You is a massive trade that had a lot of the lissi around it. He really did. Almost nothing game. One. He was more present in game two, but I'm still a little bit scratching my head on if I may be it's he's not sure what is actual role is. But he looks a little bit overwhelmed by the moment and game one and two any observation you. You see at all like that. Or is it differently? I just think it's got to acknowledge that he's in a tough spot like not to not to excuse that I meant he'd no-show in those games. But it's it's an easy position to no-show show in when you're the fifth guy, particularly amongst those other four personalities in the Sixers starting lineup. Like, it's it's it's tough. They need to find. I think that's a Brett Brown thing though, you need to find ways to call play for him get him going early on in. So as to keep him engaged. So he can give you something in a high leverage moment, it was disappointing to see those where he's he's just disappearing and I think Jimmy Butler can be better at he is he's a cognitive player out there in when and where I need to get my teammates going. But what I think we saw in the first game. Was there just falling down by so much that he was like all right? I just gotta take this over myself to ice. Isolate and create and just get some it. So we stay in this game. And then and then in the second game like yes, Hairston do a lot again. But it also kind of got the game that game became a blowout. So I do think you'll see from Brett Brown more assertiveness pro hopefully, not just from prep around but his teammates to to get Tobias going. But because you because he's weapon I mean that that's what we talked about. The most dynamic talented starting five in the Eastern Conference probably up there with Golden State like you need to use all five of them you need to you need to share the bonding to find a way to get them going. So we'll see let's put a pin in that for for what happens in games three and four once they go home where the Sixers are it lot better of a team this year. They they have had a lot more success at home than having the road. I just did want to like include something because I thought it was a good point on on care slivered and Dinwiddie and deal. Those all three of those players are. Elite straight line drivers isolators, and I'm with you that carrots that cares liver doesn't have the same distributing abilities. And I did see that clip that you put up there on Twitter, Glenn where he missed him. But at the same time, if I'm Kenny Atkinson, I'm just telling I'm telling the Vert to be decisive right away and take advantage and get all the way to the rim. And because you don't want him to you don't want the ball stop in. But you also don't want to take away from his from his isolation abilities. Like that is how they keep pace authencity with Philly is by getting everything they cannot have Russell getting everything they cannot Dinwiddie and getting everything they cannot avert all three of those guys were top forty isolators in the NBA in in points per possession and Spencer Dinwiddie, particularly had just nasty stats in isolation. I mean, he's like he's up there. It's of guys who had two hundred and fifty isolation possessions. Do you only two players in the NBA who are more effective were James harden and Kevin Durant than? Unspent deputies ahead of tomorrow's in the Braun Janas sepia three Paul, George Damian. Lillard westbrook. Like, he is an elite isolated and Russell. And and Levert are also really good at it. So I I don't know. I I would push back on the idea of using Napier. Like, he he I agree. He's a smarter player. But he also has he's just not as much of a needle mover as I think we saw in game one what Lavertu can be in those situations. Does that make sense? It makes sense. I'm not saying liberal. It can't be successful Liberte could just break down the Philly defense. And when that's happening, it's fine. But if he's not able to get to the rim like you usually can. And you're like, oh, I'm down ten four minutes to go third quarter. And I'm not ready to put it in with your Russell back in just saying, can you might go to an eight year for three or four minute stretch. If if he felt like the difference we winning and losing a game. But if overt has it going, no problem if. Vert doesn't haven't going and he needs a facilitator, this is why we talk about that. You know? It's so important to have a guy that like Napier that he's fine. If he doesn't play if you need to go out and kind of help try to get you back in contact with the teen where you're falling down ten twelve fourteen points. If it's facilitation that you need it's nice Eka to Napier and say, hey, I'm going to go to savannah three or four minutes to deliver words not really getting what he wants right now. So just describing as an option. And then also to your point Dane. So Philly typically starts to look into getting JJ it going the best typically what they're looking generate permanent shots early in the game. And that means that twice here starting almost every half corporation in the weeks I'd corner, but it could be that. Hey, let's run the first one or two place for Tobias then logo to jail, so at least given touches feels looks etc. And I guess the the most. Historically, significant example will predate your time while to get NBA basketball. They, but Greg I remember the Celtics Larry Bird, Kevin mckell team, all all the rousers. More all the famers. And even just those two played on the team. Always ran the first he plays for pairs every single game regular season Posey's in the matter. What because he was never going to be a priority again was ever gonna touch the ball again apart from the, you know, the really forcing the ball out of the hands of the primary scores. So Brett Brown. Maybe we'll kind of draw on what the Celtics piece to do with Peres way back in the day. Okay. We're gonna take our first break and come back talk about Boston Indiana now Boston to the in a zero. But like I said that he had a played six very good quarters. So we'll take a break and come back talk about that series. Okay. So so Boston didn't function very well. Offense in game. One law wasn't moving. Really great. No one really shot at great except for Morris might have been what of Moore's is better shooting games as career he shot the ball variable across the season. But their defense was very much on point there. I noticed in game one their defense, the communication was excellent. And when I watched them play defense, I was like chemistry issues, you know. But it was a very very low scoring game. It was a daytime game in. Sometimes that's how daytime games go for whatever reason. But these these are two of the top differences in the league. A no doubt about that. In game two, Indiana. Was right there the whole way until they really shot themselves in the foot really late. It looks like they just kind of had a complete failure and confidence. So the one thing that I'm really curious about is how much data Millan is leading on west Matthews. Wes Matthews is not he's a great teammate. And he really tries to do things that contributed winning basketball and have a lot of respect for that. But it's just not a great NBA basketball player. Wait now and in game two there were times in office, the best ones I was like why is with Matthews and the game is Tariq has not no Tariq and Evans as integrated well across his broader season. But if you need a guy whose face the four and Bs shooter despite Tariq's numbers this year, you still away better shooter. Then the newest Matthews and then also in game one the third quarter. It was really fad foul trouble. The force the issue, but before Greg I talked about the fact that I want to try to play miles Turner in demont. It's the bonus together more that's two of their three best players at least. And we're new have that when that's the case. And you can only really feel like you have one or the other on the court. It didn't go well game. One. I noted that they played the love of minutes together the net rating their other gather was minus fifty seven point three. But I think that was smack in the middle of when they were going like three for twenty seven. I think they only made three of their first attempts after the half is. So the shot. Shot's not falling because that read that rating, they were a little more creative. Just a little bit more creative in game two. I don't know why you can't depart miles Turner in the weeks corner. He can knock down corner threes about as can't do for. That fact, that's like effect shots such as a small volume this year. And then also, you know. You know? Brad Stevens is playing Horford in Aaron Bain together intentionally an I'm really surprised that the mill is not responding with playing his together more. Now, that's not something that they did all year long. So they didn't build up to this point of having this bag of things that they do and those two guys are on the court. But I think think Millan is really kind of punting on some by letting Brad Stevens play his tubing's together a lot and Millen just really seemingly not having a plan for that. Right. L steer that. You've I kind of Xs a no lineup kind of thing. But I you know, Millan is could win coach the year, and he's deserving of consideration for getting forty eight wins, despite the fact that depot with L so soon, but one thing they kind of always been Curtis out scores just lack of flexibility, Alexa, creativity. I wanna see more of those two bigs playing together. Greg had do you think we're going to see that? Do you think we should see that? At all. Are there ideas you have around what they could do to kind of make that function offensively better? Well, I think it's very very difficult to kind of roll out on new playing combinations in sort of units play together on the floor and the playoffs when they haven't played together during the regular season is not automatic. It's not plug and play into this isn't like, you know, Stroud about football do like that, you know, where you just put whatever a lot of people to out there. The cards are to just add up the way you want them to. These guys Indiana runs one of the most rigid offense of systems in the league. They're not going to surprise you. We're gonna come down and run the same thing again. And again, and again, and again and their belief is that they can execute precisely in basically as defense, you're going to have to pick your poison in whatever you give them they're gonna take it. And they're going to execute at as high a level as possible. So there's no secrets within the one when they get out there on offense. But because of the rigidity of Savona kind of almost plays the same role almost every single possession with these in there. It's the same with miles Turner to have those guys not have played together much at all during the regular season. And now put them in the situation where they're playing together in the postseason. I think there's just a lack of comfort and I love Nate McMillan. And when we did our midseason awards had him as my coach of the year. But I think you know, the mistake was if you're gonna do this in the postseason. You know, you probably should have given us the time in the regular season to play together. Comfortable see how it looks guy's gonna play a little bit of different role in the office, and they're used to playing and this think probably not comfortable with that was an observation that came away with the I don't know that I had the stark owed operation during the regular season Watson plays. They don't run any actions to try to get Turner or someone shots at the rim. Which to me is very weird. They're both very gifted talented young big men. They're both you you above average in mobility and athleticism miles turn it on the season fifty four ducks all the whole season. And he shot less than ninety percent on dogs. Let's which is very strange, and it's the bonus only had forty eight dunks. So before we go where the Boston side, Dane anything. You're seeing from in the Emma. But surprising you or looks off or looks like in this opportunity or any observations all before we go to the Boston side it. It's it's what you guys said. I mean. Yeah. Like if they don't change that they're gonna lose. It's it's simple. Like they can't just they can't just rely on the offense that they played during the regular season two. To compete with Boston. I mean, they need to they need to upgrade the up the risk profile. And and I think that's a good point with tire Evans like you need a guy to be more than they were during the regular season you need to find your Terry Rozier from last season. And that's tyreek Evans for this team. It. Yeah. It's it's not Wes Matthews, you you you need to give your most talented scores shots and better and better situations defenses fine like the defense is going to be able to compete and slow boss it away. But if you don't find a way to play more and better offense. It's just they don't they don't take shot. So I would I would get far riskier and try different things. If I was Nate McMillan, but to your point, Greg, it's that's just that's not Nate McMillan style. I agree. It was a really good coach in the season. But the playoffs is about adjusting to what you have and what they're doing against you. And and in the first two games. They haven't done all the Boston side. So they're up to the they're tough to beat at home in the Anna did completely just you know, almost forefeit an opportunity to the lead Boston one with way, the Ayman. Did I know we are all prepping for the podcasts he goes? I have seen this not gonna ask you you guys about that. But kind of zooming back. Well, one of my favorite the phrases. Zooming zooming out or something back Boston to oh. Maybe they should be one of the most inconsistent of good teams in the league across the season. All sorts of reports of chemistry is us. Don't know how truly invested Kyrie is Kyrie's played heart and game. One the two no doubt about that. They played defense of as a connected. You set a five-man lineups for sure. So they they seem to be definitely doing on the defensive side. But I still don't quite trust this team just based upon how touch and go their whole season lives. Maybe some maybe they are able to make that complete disappear. The postseason Dane must you. Trust us Boston team. I don't know what to think about them. And it's what we were saying earlier with the with the buck series is you're going to you're going to learn who Boston is once they are placed against a higher level competitor. They're they're your classic like play opera play down to the competition team. And but we haven't seen is I it's the playoffs. Just now you haven't seen them play against a really good team in the playoffs. And I I just I don't feel like I'm gaining much from this Indiana series as to who they are. And what they can be really I grasping back. Zooming back Glenn to to last season. And and looking at what Boston was able to be doing during the playoffs last year. And they did they raise to another level in the playoffs. And I think that's your your optimism is a Boston fan that they can that they can be that again, and they can they can be greater than they were in the regular season because the hot and cold or however, you put it the income. Consistencies of this group gets beaten the playoffs, and they get knocked out. They need to be a completely different team. Once if they'd assuming they moved to Indiana, which I think is going to happen fairly quickly. How high can you go how how much can you? They executed defensively at an elite level in in the playoffs last season. Can you do that against us? I'm more that will dictate to me what Boston is right away. I think you'll see in the first half of the Milwaukee game. Are they doing things that deter Jaanus from getting to the rim and are running the right guys off the three point line? If you're doing that. I'll be like, okay. You showed me something that I think you can compete in the series. But if not if Milwaukee comes out and punches them in the first half of the first game by twenty. I'm be like this team. Isn't this team isn't the same as last year? So they're just kind of a weird sort of question Mark to me, even at this point because they haven't really they haven't been challenging do you trust them? I I watch game to tell you. I was pretty underwhelmed by this is their general performance. Now Brad Stevens coaches them up on defense. Holtom accountable defensively, but he can't quite seem to kinda get steady implementation offensively in they weren't good. Obviously getting now Indiana was I remember where they finished. But they were the best defense in the league. Cross a lot of the season as by defensive rating. But so that yet to see both sides of that performance. But by Boston's today, even though they ended up losing, Greg. What's your stress level with the Celtics team? Yeah. May I thought that their beatable in you know, and we don't really say that about a lot of favorites playing their first two games at home in the first round of the playoffs. So to me the beatable tonight, and it probably should've lost their beatable. And if they want to get expect them to get out around one, but if they wanna get to the Eastern Conference finals, they're going to have to play much better and much more complete than me guest. The defense is where it really starts and ends for Boston. But they're also they're playing good teams. And they they're gonna have to be fish int- offensively in you know, carry may have to play superman at times. But overall, I think that this awesome. Just doesn't look they're good. They're really good. But that a look at the team that really is -pletely focused in together has all the continuity chemistry that they would need to be successful. They beg surpr-. Is me if surprised us in the past. But right now, they don't look they look they look a little bit too beatable for team of seated and it ended up his second round match up before the season, Greg, and I in the Milwaukee forgive you said the last thing really looking for Janas to be a guy that can of own possessions of includes games, and we saw him do that. This this season. Add that to his game understand how to get to the rim in late possessions. And of course, Kyrie's been a big shot maker for you know, most of his professional career. So if it's a really competitive series it could come down to who's able to generate critical buckets late in those possessions. But will we'll see we get there. Let's go to waiters clippers which has been fun of the clippers are always this clippers save is always wanted my view but series tied now when one with that heats comeback by the clippers in the second half a game to the warriors were a league average defense during the regular season. And what I'm seeing is a team that needs to suddenly activate good defensive habits. But it doesn't just work that way you have. I mean habits are called habits of a reason if you have to look at the deficit is this something that you do repeatedly is something that you do always. And they're lacking those defensive habits of view. And. I think the warriors are an a little little bit of trouble fisa Sloan a little a little bit. But they're not doing the things defensively we seen them do in prior postseasons. If you recall kind of like how they handled Cleveland last year. I mean, those habits were president for the first minute of the first game of that series. And they were efficient and getting to the finals because of how polish they were on defense of on the deficit in the court. But coincidentally, they drew the clippers one of the most explosive office teams league, Greg I've talked to cross the season that if the clippers can just stay tied or win five within five points of view and they start to bring in their bitch players. The other teams have trouble because they are explode explosive bench. They were just nice and office of ratings. So it wasn't like they are one of the best three or four teams in the league. But they're capable of putting up a lot of points in games win. Their key guys really get rolling and in a postseason format where four to three is his series win. They can run hot and cold on offense. Like, they did sometimes during the season and evacuate. Still kind of get four wins against a good team. They put up eighty five points on the warriors. So these this is the warriors team playing for the third consecutive title and this clippers team as he put up eighty five points on them in this second half. Do you guys? See the. I I know how good the warriors are. But in my mind, they haven't turned it on defensively yet. I don't know if well they very well might be just good enough off that it's just not going to matter. But how do you see the series after seeing the clippers get that win in game two is this is this a mildly even a mildly competitive series in your view now day? I'm not too concerned about the warriors. I mean. You're right. Like, I guess it could go seven games or six games, even but it wouldn't be the first I might be the first time for the warriors that they've had to go through numerous for strong games. But there's been other champions before who have been pushed in the early rounds that have have still have still moved through there. I don't think there's still a very very very small chance at the clippers win this series. Somehow, I I'm more interested at and I know it's kind of become like popular opinion that DeMarcus cousins doesn't matter and they're still fine without I'm like, oh, you delete boogie, and then you just distribute all of his shots to more efficient players, and I get that to some extent. But it is a chess piece that they lose in not having him and the death lineup is the best thing that they can play. But there there will come a time. Whether it's again Hughes against Houston or whoever where it would have been nice to be able to roll with DeMarcus cousins rather than Andrew bogut. And I. If there's something I'm concerned about it's it's not blowing at thirty one point lead. That was bad. I think they'll be fine. I just I just think that rocket series could be interesting and not having DeMarcus cousins is is a minus in my mind where where are you guys at on? I'll kick it to you Greg on on having loss bogey for the for the rest of the playoffs. I think Golden State is played a little bit last season and played a little listen like they can turn it on turn it off when they want to. And I tell you what the clippers are team bed is going to give you nothing if you they're they're one of those teams new door cracked, they're going to break in steal everything. You got. That's just the type of team that they are in a last year. It was the same with Houston that a Western Conference finals last year again to work with the Chris Paul injury weren't for Houston missing million three point shots in a row game seven. I mean old state was really close to not making the finals last year. And I think it's, you know, gold state is one of the best teams in NBA history. You know in efficacy human nature to be a little less hungry. Every time we went one, I think it's just almost not sustainable to be as Hungary after the first step in the second third fourth championship, whatever, but I can tell you. It's playing the game of sometimes turning it on trying to get off when you need. It is a little bit Idris Glenis talked about this. A lot is Golden State has gone for oh four zero for oh, you know, you know, winning series without losing losing and getting to the finals of with the fresher team. In past that if they mess around in their winning in six games in seven games, they're playing more games leading up to say Western Conference finals than their opponent. This team isn't as young that used to be in in this was in boogied or not as deep as they were week ago. I think they need to be careful in. Yes. You know, there should be favorite. But again, I think the margin of error is smaller this year than it has been in other years in could tell you as a coach in even someone Washington VA, the turn it off turn it on turn off thing is is a dangerous game by days for the play. And where the clippers are really like smoking. The warriors defenses is in the pick and roll, you know, mantras Herrell. Everybody knows one of this podcast players in the league. He is so fast getting for the three point line to the rim. And in Lou Williams can attack of you know, just was is as jumper with his jumper as quickly as any I in the league, you let him drift left at all. And he's gonna start knocking down shots. So I'm interested is I don't know. We don't get into right now. But I'm interested to see if by game three the warriors can tighten up the pick and roll defence. Because that's that's where the five points came from. Honestly, like a quarter was just them. Getting absolutely killed in the pick and roll. And the Greg's point, you know, the warriors team is not as young as they and the number of games that are administered under Edward della has the play to help when a series as is a really big deal, you know, and so it whether they were going to start using him as a primary on ball defender for longer game that really sure, but I'm really interested to see if an also there's just a sense that the warriors kind of have a title that everyone considers them to already possess blues, and the clippers have absolutely nothing to lose is even from a mentality standpoint. It's not for the warriors. It's harder to be the team that doesn't really have anything to lose. I feel like, hey, we're playing with house money. So we're going to be like super aggressive not. It'd be tight at all. You know, those sorts of things then to today's point about cousins being lost. I think it's a pretty big deal. Everybody's talked about the fact that Claes started the season slow, and then he worked back to being a north of forty percents shooter bite into the season before cousins return Klay shot. Thirty six point nine percent from the three point line, which is acceptable for half the players in the league after his return Klay shot forty four point seven percent from three point line. That's a almost almost a nine point swing. So that's the big difference. Now Steph in K D actually shot a lower percentage after boogie returned. That's probably about rhythm. And touches once boogies back you've got to start getting touches for him as well as so staffing. Someone has everyone else has to collectively, you know, sacrifice touches, but clay is the one that really benefits when spacing and cousins, obviously gives them spacing at the five that no other center on this team gives them. At all. So it's a it's a really big deal. You know, Draymond not a not not a shooter at this point in his career. Obviously you guys like looney not as shooter. So it's gonna be interesting to see how they handle that. Now. One thing they've done in prior seasons that they haven't done as much this year with boogie is to use dream on the mid post as a passer and have those split cuts and all of the different back screens on the weak side to free up shooters. It'd be interesting again they haven't been doing as much of that this year's did last year. If they go back to that with boogie being out will the muscle may be there. Well, the rhythm be there. We'll the confidence and the timing be there cetera that that's what I'm watching for. I don't they anything else. You're kinda keeping a close eye on this series. Well, I just I just want to point out the numbers because it seems like the the boogie stuff is is so number related, and it's just it's such an important important point of context with the warriors that their season numbers are just so noisy because the warriors and they blow teams out and they turn on the switch and on and off. And I just don't think it's like people point to with DaMarcus on the floor had a one ten one ten offense of rating and one fifteen with them on the floor. And I I get that like that happened. And that that that that hurts that goes from elite to not elite and a, but it just it didn't hurt they're shooting overall a group. They're true shooting was fifty nine point five with him on and fifty nine point six with him off. I just I I really disagree with the notion that all of his shots are just going to be repurpose into off. Awesome. Looks from Katie clan stuff. I just don't think it's I don't think it's that simple. I don't think it's a straight line to draw in that way their best lineup. Always was I'm not arguing was that the death lineup and to be able to go with that. But you can't run that out there for thirty six minutes. It you lose DeMarcus and you lose a weapon in your arsenal. And I think it is. It's a as you were just saying it's something they now don't have the margin for error is small as you said, Greg, and the shrinks it strikes the margin of error not having DeMarcus cousins because he is a weapon that when used in the right type of usage. As much as door the clippers this year. I think is a very low likelihood that clippers win this series. But the Greg's point that the clippers pushed this six or seven that reduces the what the likelihood by whatever percentage, you I want out there, then when the winning at all because they're going to face some significant competition in in the second and third round presumably that they there. And the wear and tear the opportunity to get four or five three days of rest or to not get that is a pretty big deal for where this team is you know, physically and mentally cetera. Greg anything else you're watching there? I'm the thing. I'm watching the game. Three from the jump is the way the Golden State depends a pick and roll anything else. Get your eyeballs on series. No, I agree. And then of course, we're going to watch the rotations. And I think they d- right. They're not going to run the death. One about thirty six thirty minutes night. You're gonna see on this weather guys. Get submitted NBA effective guarding the pick and roll. So that again, this might be a thing where Jordan bells kind of fallen out of favor is in the dock house. And that's not where at the beginning of last season. I think everyone expected him to be of intimacy second season, and that that could matter I don't I don't know how they're going to. It'll be interesting to see how they'll fill the all forty eight minutes at center position going forward that now. So that's something to keep an eye on Denver and San Antonio won one Denver had a almost an amazing comeback is the clippers head in their game to series. Jamal Murray was ridiculous in the fourth quarter trying to find my notes here he was eight of nine in the fourth quarter game two and put up twenty one points. Of course, I had to go on Twitter and kind of beat my just because I declared joe-marie the best basketball player in that draft class before that draft occurred. I've always thought he has had kind of an assassin's mentality. But the it's been a weird fit with Nicole Yokich as the best player in the team undoubtedly. But also a guy that doesn't kind of play with the killer instinct, and it's I've always been like waiting for these two guys to kind of figure out how to kind of share that L. Some people will say Gary Harris is a better player than Murray. Oh eastern has been to this point. You know, Gary Harrison's, the wonderful defender wonderful shooter. He's does a lot of things attributed winning basketball. But in terms of the prospect, even now it's weird, you know, this number of years in for Joel Murray. But remember he was the youngest player in that draft class, but he's still very young. Guy. But I was excited to see him do that. And now I'm wondering is it could be a while before we see him do that again. Or is this now something he's going to do is like Yokich going to kind of clear out and let him own possessions in the fourth quarter. So so they ain't coming out of that. Do you see a shift in how the nuggets kind of you their own pecking order when it comes to import a possessions lately game with that incredible Marib? I always thought he's had in him. So it's easy for me to say, oh, he's there now, and this is like the new joe-marie, and this is what we're going to get on a regular basis and that yoke it's it's never been. I thought Yokich I thought I thought Yokich recognized it in Murray, and he saw it going and he went and he was giving them dribble. Handoff and you're setting him not high screen every time. And I think he's the one that I mean not to take away from Murray. But I do think Yokich is cognitive enough to recognize that. And I think he was throwing kindling on the fire of Jamal Murray heating up in the fourth quarter. And yes, it isn't always perfect hasn't always been a perfect synergy between the two of them. But it's it's tough. I mean, it's this new thing. I mean Yokich is such a unique. Type of center to play with that. I think it's a something that takes time and you incorporate a little bit of Murray's youth, and his I kind of seasonal strong headed and wanting to be the guy in ways. But when when that synergy is there, it's obviously very good. And it's something that we saw takeover in the fourth quarter of that game. It was weird. I was watching that happen. And it reminded me of what we saw from DeAngelis. Russell kind of the whole on. I'm going to call it like the last third of the season. He was he was finding ways to score at all three levels. And and the thing we say with deal all the time is you know, how how repeatable is it for him to be able to work from that kind of mid range flow to range type type deal in with Murray. He kinda got going from there. And then, you know, he saw a coupla go through the basket and heated up, and then he was just willing to splash from three. And I think the nuggets whether it be. In this series or in later series. They probably both they need that from him because as good as he was in the fourth quarter the first seven quarters of this series. He pretty much stunk. So there there needs to be a heightened level of consistency. And I'll be looking with him what he's able to do in in his kind of creation area that that mid posts spot going to the floater finding drop-offs to Yokich and and creating not just for himself but for for other teammates as well. And and watching that fourth quarter reminded yoke to wants to be facilitator, he's not thirsty shooter. At all. If so does seem like there's a potential formula if they could just kind of commit to it or find a way for it to stick. Or however, you wanna word that that there is a, you know, a formula could really were really really wonderfully both of those two guys on the other side for the Spurs. So it's a little bit weird that. In game one. So defensively Denver's not the most oppressive team executing on defense of they're definitely trying to limit or the Marcus in derozen Rabaul to do. So in game. One Aldridge and Rosen combined to go toba thirty six from the field. This I won that game. Denver had forty eight points in the paint. Only the Spurs thirty two. They're right knows that San Antonio shot the best percentage when the three point line across the season. And so the Denver rotations were imperfect in that game. And the ball was finding guy like Britain Forbes and diva's Burton's that knock down three point shots. But in game two they allowed Aldridge in the Rosena go nineteen thirty nine combine, which is an excellent percentage and Denver got the win. I think what this tells us is that. Yeah. There is a tension. The detail the different needs to have on the deficit in the court, and you certainly. You want to force of the Spurs into in a not efficient two point shots. Now, we know that Aldridge into Rosen are as effective in two point areas for the positions as about as anyone in the league. But really Denver's. Kind of formula for picking up wins just overwhelming another team offense playing at a super super high level offensively. And then typically you'll just get like Millsap like Millsap blower will rescue just enough to physical sessions across the game. Tori, Craig will have an impact your a Harris Lincoln impact, and and they'll be kind of up and down defensively. But once they hit that level often simply is that's where they're going. That's how they got the seats that they got that's how they got ruins that they got. But Greg one thing I'll talk to you about was that, you know, we've always talked about the fact that a group of players their first of interest to the postseason is hard because he's the basketball is very very different. And you really don't know what to to experience it. But I thought it was noteworthy engaged. One. Kind of just how flat Denver looked. It. Can't be it's really unusual for a team to have their first playoff game in front of their home court. And of course, the fans are going to be like pumped and excited. And I think. And I think it could be kind of a weird thing mentally for team decent overplaying that. Or do you think that they just were like what is this? You know, we're playing a playoff game in front of our home crowd, and they're like super, but this is something that very new to us, and they just kinda weren't really kind of ready for the environment. It's like being at home. What do you think? Yeah. We talked about what it would recover Milwaukee. I said would they be like the hawks teams that won sixty games in just under performing the play offs and didn't play like they were the ones see the best team the team to beat in thought the team that would really struggle with that most of the Denver because Denver's the team like you said hasn't been there young. No. Playoff experienced drawl off of in probably about the worst draw. You could get in terms of other. The Golden State is a team that has had all kinds of postseason success coached pike rag Popovich, you know, won multiple championships. They don't care who who seated what they don't care where you're playing. We're coming out here. We're comfortable we're gonna play our game in you know, San Antonio looked like they believe they were the better team won. They looked like the better team in one. They looked like, you know, the team that was higher seated two-seat, and you know, and Denver played like they were seven seed. I can tell you if I'm if I'm coaching Denver. I'm the filling like we kinda got away with one again too. Because you know, is is explosive. Great is Jamal Murray was go down the stretch in. It's exciting. That was to watch a coaches. No, that's not sustainable likely that we're not gonna have a player Belus out with twenty one points in the fourth quarter every game. You know, we have to play better t- basketball in not rely on some superman to come in and save the day kind of format. So I think this is a tough series in coming into this. I really felt the series was fifty fifty sounds crazy than one a lot of games that are famous won't want to hear that. I just thought the whole the setup of a team with no playoff experience against a team with legendary playoff. Experience was a really difficult recipe for Denver. Yeah. So I see this as a fifty fifty series right now. That's that's how I see. So San Antonio effectively important vantage. Although you still have to recognize that if it goes seven games Denver. We'll get to play that last game at home. Dane, how are you seeing this one in terms of who's was lucky to advance? Most likely to advance. Yup. I mean, I'm on Denver. I I'm tapping into what they were as a regular season team. Those eighty two games. I do remember watching earlier in the season the last Spurs nuggets game at the time and really seeing the Marcus kind of take it to them. And being like, oh, this'll be an interesting match up. If those two teams square off, you know in the playoffs like how are they going to be able to handle Aldridge with the double teams? And I I have I have been impressed by the effort Yokich is put in there and realizing the importance of trying to trying to check him and just how important the Marcus to the San Antonio offense. So I do think it'll be an interesting series. I wouldn't be surprised to see it goes seven. But I'm I do feel fairly confident that that the nuggets are going to win this. It will be really interesting games three and four and San Antonio San Antonio is a very good home team. And. The the nuggets struggled a little bit on the real old. Comparatively struggled on the road this year. I think they had a a minus two point six net rating on the road this season. And they got to at least split this. 'cause San Antonio, quote unquote has the homecourt advantage at this point. But I think the the talent is going to raise the top. Unless Gregg Popovich is able to completely out coach Mike Malone, which I don't think we've totally seen yet that this should still be Denver series. Yeah. And I think looking at the season Derek Whyte has had you know, really come out as one of the better defensive guards in the league. He's he's going to take pride in his fist performance game. Three. I'd not projecting joe-marie two eight or nine in all every quarter this series. Obviously, a the flu Dane is is confident that verges to kind of find their postseason footing and have confidence in the postseason of environment. But I. Still saying this fifty fifty because of pop because of the different surprised that some of the individual players on Saint have Greg. How do you see this? Yeah. Same way saw fifty fifty going in. Honestly as still see fifty here on out. Okay. Let's take our last break. And then we'll come back and talk about Portland, Portland. Okay. See a series that I feel I had a most confident grasp of in terms of what on paper should be competitive series. But we'll come back to talk about that. After this break. Okay. So last year Portland got everybody remembers Portland got swept by the pelicans for games zero in the first round and drew holiday dominated the Lillard tie times. He was on CJ McCollum in was just as forceful there. And again, I want to kind of kind of zoom out here last year, Damian Lillard were playing games in the final two weeks of the season that physically yet, no business playing in that had an impact and how that series against the pelicans went. Yeah. It was it was kind of the worst draw in terms of matchup that you could you identify in perspective player teams last year this year, Oklahoma City, Paul George was playing in games the last two weeks of the season that he had no business physically playing in. Now, it was sort of like to impossible choices for Bill. Document debate number one they were trying to avoid the warriors because getting lined up with the warriors and one eight is likely death. And now Paul George not having had a chance to maybe let the shoulder improved a little bit is kind of like the death as well. So my view going in here was very much that okay? See this year. I saw them as kind of Portland last year had to kind of fight for seeding had to play guys that maybe a different situation. You wouldn't play them. Paul George his shoulder looks as bad as about as beads knee does. But in my assessment now if the blazers just simply play solid transition defense still win the series is really say four or five games reason. I'd say that it's Russ is very dangerous in transition. He's respiratory inefficient. They have port Paul George is not even close to a hundred percent and went in. If you like, I do I probably watch the binge and the coaching staff more than any one in my basketball's fear. I. I get a lot of body language and stuff. But you know, the assistant coaches anytime that Portland is not rushing back. I mean with sprint back five players. Sprinting back in rotation are entering just defense two or three head coach, or assistant coaches are jumping up just jumping up without and screaming. Get back back back back, and that just kind of reinforces my view that if they simply just play transition defense. Good transition defense. I don't see Oklahoma City having a shot here. Greg your thoughts on that? Yeah. I mean, it's a tough situation because you don't get Russ is elite on offensive guard play when shooters in the game. Of course, you don't get elite Visegard play in Ferguson starting and he's very unproven, especially in the postseason. I think he's been better pleasant surprise for them. But that maybe more about expectations the performance to the regular season in you're going against a team with perhaps the best bark combo or one of the best car comfort and league. So you've got to me inconsistent willingness to defend regards know, Casey going up against two the best officer guards lead, and that's very difficult formula in you know, when Oklahoma City is only scored but ninety nine and ninety four cents a like that in those two games, and that that is not going to get it done. To me, Oklahoma City is you know, what's changed? I don't know. There's still team that to me just isn't ready. It hasn't shown me anything to convince me that they should be threatened the postseason. We haven't seen in series. Yes. The most surprising thing to me day. Now, get your reaction is that Oklahoma City is not really attacking and his canter on defense. I mean, they've gone from Yousef Doric who's a stout defender. A huge dude occupy a lot of space kanter's, bouncy. He's fast running in a straight line. But he's terrible in recovery situations the things like that and atoms of is, you know, I'll be surprised if there were more than one or two games or if even that which Adams leads the team in Sogo attempts. Of course, a lot of shot distribution, a lot of it is has been Westbrook and an Paul George, but I think that if Oklahoma City if we have talked about Indiana kind of upping their their risk profile and stuff, but it seems to me like steam with Adams could basically put Kiner in the in the in the basket like anytime you want to you know, but the. The but they've not traditionally played through him as a guy with high shot volume. But it looks to me like a missed opportunity to hear in that. And it also seems like if any team in the league knows how to attack and his canter on defense. We still all remember the close Billy Donovan saying can't play cantors. Are you surprised as I am not going after Kanter defensive deficiencies more? I think it's a classic example of how your coaches or maybe people in the media in the outside view, a player as a major weakness and an NBA player doesn't to kind of fraternity mentality. Like, I don't think or at least the Oklahoma City thunder are not treating and his canter as if he is some sort of liability. I I thought it was so interesting in the second half when cantor is out in in game two that it took Meyers Leonard checking into the game for them to really try and go to Steven Adams a bunch. That's not that. Leonard is some superstar defender, but he's better. I think objectively better than in his canter yet. It took. It was really weird for me that they that. They haven't looked for Kanter and look to attack canton because of that Cantor's had this has had a confidence and has really been able to be a dominant factor on the offensive end. They haven't done anything to neutralize him. And because of that like as weird as it sounds the blazers haven't really missed use of Nur kitchen the series. So I don't they gotta wake up and once they're back in Oklahoma City, find a way to punish Kanter. Because then I think maybe that can get the blazers to take him off the foursome. And then they're forced to play Zach Collins, or or Leonard more who are much lesser offensive threats like, yeah. That that seems like it would be one to one in the in the coaches meeting like all, right? Here's our opportunity. Let's do it. And they did it the first couple possessions like of the of game one and you're like, okay. This is gonna be this is going to be problematic like Stephen Adams is going to eat in the series. And then they just kind of went back into their. Okay. See ways where they're overly reliant on Russ to get up a million shots. And then they want PG to do something. And he's not himself. Like you need. He need to start attacking the weaknesses of the blazes. Because just the some of the Oklahoma city's parts is not is not a dynamic. I don't know. It's dynamic team at this point in Greg. Typically, I would want to try to get like three or four or five them in on a series book for okay, see, I really think it is all about how they're deploying atoms. Both office the physically they and I just talked about attacking cancer with Adams wonderful do that. But on defense the scheme the Oakland city plays all the time. It's pretty easy to get see them as away from the basket when you have dynamic guard slake Dame CJ they're going to require attention at the point of the ball screen, and that opens up really Kanter to be able to do what he does best is to eat on the office of glass. So it's just strange to me that Billy Donovan's not adjusting the scheme conceiving. Way better player in his canter. But the the scheme is really opened things up for king to not be able to make an impact. And we're Kanter to Pratima thought. Pratima thought they could impact and for cancer to do what he does best. He's in change guys. Interesting because the name of the game in the NBA, especially in the postseason is try to get the switch you want in the one thing that that loses without a hell of atoms. His great player, but he doesn't give outside shot. So you can sack under the pick and roll on. You don't have to switch if you don't want to. And it's the same thing Utah struggles with with Ruediger bearish. You don't have to you don't have to respect his shot, even twelve empty basket. So you can sack under the you don't have to give up the switch when the opposing team is trying to get a switch because ideally, but you like to do with force to switch in end up with Paul chores going this or even Westbrook going in his cancer or something like that. But there's no reason for them not to work through Stephen Adams. There's no reason not to try to get cantor in foul. Trouble on there's a reason why brought Kanter end because Meyers Leonard, and that Collins, are you? You know or not bad players, but they're not playoff-caliber players in. I would be doing what I could to one. Let's see that was a little bit and try to get into scheduling Cepal trouble in then then the he's in foul trouble. Then maybe you can start working some different angles and get Gus going because you have, you know, little less worry about on the defensive glass, and you have a little less to worry about another. Here's the game. So, you know, Oklahoma City is not getting the switches they want, and that's not what we're going to have with Stephen Adams with it doesn't mean that you still have to work through Russ or through Paul George going against the defenders that Portland with wants to have on them. Yeah. I would even suggest Oklahoma City because Adams was getting drawn so far away from the ram because of how dynamic that both David C JR off of ball screens, especially high there a little easier to manage onsite pick and roll. So somehow you can entice them into side pick and rolls. You're able to contain a little bit more on their high ball screens. There's so so so good that the the defensive guard needs help with one of the ball screen. I would suggest like closely you just play about zone. Now, something they've never done. And there's that aspect we talked in the Anna L didn't do this. He's at all. But I think that honestly Portland would have a hard time getting separation for Damon CD to get separation if they're just playing a straight match up zone than you could have Adam sitting right in the middle of paint. I doubt we'll see that on the other side. Oklahoma City has to activate transition office deputy chance series noted in the regular season, the Portland only gave up the nights US appoints opponents points off turnovers Dame as about a secure with the basketball is any point guard leagues. Surprise me. But they did give up the night teeth most opponent fast-break points. Which is probably why we see those assist coaches getting up when all five players aren't sprinting back interns ishin and screaming get back back back back is the most important thing for them to do to increase their chances of getting out with a win. Okay. Houston utah. I like L think a lot of other people was really excited for this one. It was competitive mostly for short series last year in and my I think my takeaway. Well, it was I don't think I've only one that really. Oh, hadn't gone down with injury. I don't think Utah wins that series. But it goes to these six games Rubio was just critical for it. They wanted to do. But Houston slaughtered. Utah defense in game. One Utah has traditionally been one of the best episodes league across the past few season. But. It's been well chronicled on Twitter that basically the jazz took the bucks blueprint defensively. Or defending James harden stayed right? Get his defenders stay right on his left shoulder and force him into kind of runners. Also, a major objective was to just simply don't foul him. You know, if he gets shots up he get shots up. But he did get a whole lot of shots up. But harden was eleven of twenty six from the field only three or three from the free throw line and the rockets put up one hundred twenty two points. I think if you ask Quin Snyder is hard and going Levin for twenty six from the field on three four three from three three to line. Is that an outcome? You want for Houston's most support player, I think he'd take any given game. They gave up one hundred and twenty two points threats were twenty five thirty two inside a five feet in this game that seventy eight percent that's not going to result in Utah being very successful. And Utah has a sense starting center. Here's a reigning defensive play. Player of the year. So Dane did that outcome of game. One surprise you in that it looked like the execution. Individually on harden was what Quinn's lider wanted. But that still the rockets were able to generate so many points against what is traditionally one of their defense in the league. I just think I pretty simple level like this series is just crazy and how many pick and rolls. I run by both of these teams. And I think we know with Houston is they have optimized that more than any team in NBA history has and it's not like Utah's doing like a gimmick thing in in trying to copy them. But I just in having watched a lot of Utah this year just kind of have this operating theory that they run to many pick and rolls, and yes, they have go. Bayer favors to roll to the rim and they have the shooter's around him. But this the effectiveness I don't see as being there. It seems as the game. Goes on that. There's diminishing returns that attack on the Utah -fensive end whereas for Houston, it that doesn't happen. And that's having James harden and having Clint cappella and they're having shooters around them. It seems like that pick and roll attack the only real downfall to it is if the surrounding shooters aren't making their shots with Utah. It's just more volatile. And I just don't think that they can keep pace because they don't have won the pick and roll isn't happening. They don't have the isolators. I can't just pull it out. And have I mean, Donovan Mitchell to some extent, but anyone else's like all right and the shot clock. You know, what are we going to do? So it's just I just think the Houston offense operates at such a higher so much of a higher level in playoff basketball than the Utah. Offense does Greg I talked about Houston just looking like they're more calibrated for this postseason than the last two postseasons as we're recording the Houston in Utah playing game too. Houston, a massive lead. Utah trying to fight back in games get really physical. But so in game one Quin Snyder decide to defend a hardened with. I think almost exclusively Rubio in O'neil in. I was a little surprised that they I think the average fan maybe doesn't realize like how freaking big James hardman. He is a norm for a guard both in height and just strength. But I guess if you're all you want your differently to do is just to make sure he's they stay on his left shoulder. That may be maybe it doesn't matter. How big that guy is? But obviously you want I would think you'd want a bigger defender. That's able to. Show up at his release point in. Now, he didn't shoot the ball wonderfully. In that game. But like you have a Thaba on your team. Even like, a a Jay Crowder is not as long as Crowder super crafty defensively. And so I'm just a little surprised that they were not using their like longest and potentially best point of attack defenders had now Rubio's a obviously a good point guard defender, but James harden, just not your garden righty point guard. He's massive. So I was surprised they they were using kind of their smaller defenders on hardened. Greg your thoughts reaction to that? Yeah. I mean, if you go back and look at the game film with the walkie the way, they got it harder. What you tried to do in my opinion. There is a huge difference. And the difference was that when the walkie guarded him just really on his left shoulder. They were more in front of them on his left shoulder. Utah really was almost trailing harden just letting him walk to the middle of the lane. It just sort of following him. You know, and I just you know, I'm watching that. And I'm like, this is doesn't look right in what back in some of the thing film on the Milwaukee game. They did it, and they they really stayed more on the front of his shoulder in Utah. Stay more on the back of his shoulder in maybe they thought go bare could sort of challenge the floater and still sorta stay connected to the man he was garden to the guy under dunker spot. But it did. Not work. Because like you said you see us what of the stats so how much Houston damaged damage Houston did in paint. So I I really puzzled by the execution in. I wasn't surprised that use that approach, but the execution that approach. I thought was really really poor other than that. I think Houston is playing really mad. They they look mad. They look like a Hornets that he met him a NASA. Somebody stirred up a never seen Houston like this. I honestly I mean, they're getting their they got their tail kicked you Utah gotten details kicked in one record to tell figure night, honestly say I don't think you Utah's playing poorly. I think Houston is just running all over them. You can even see Utah's kind of looking over the players on the core. Looking over quench saying what he want us to do. And he always has this exasperated. Look like, I don't know. I don't know what to do, you know, because I think Houston just they're playing like they're trying to win the NBA championship on every possession, the arguing every foul call without going ballistic. They're arguing for every non call without going ballistic. They just look mad. They look pissed off. And they looked like they have chip on their shoulder in you know, what will be interesting to see if they can maintain this emotional edge throughout several series in the postseason. And it'll be interesting to see if they can maintain this edge on the road in Utah at altitude in if they can maintain this things suddenly on aren't as favorable as Ben that I can tell you the first the first two games, they look like somebody you don't wanna play, and that's not fun to fly in Utah's didn't everything they can handle him where I've never seen Houston play like this, and I can tell you is his is well as they were playing. In that series against Golden State last year before respond got her on this lately. Different mississippi. I've never seen before Houston. It's impressive to watch. Yeah. And just to kind of touch on one thing he said, so if Quin Snyder thinks trailing hardens, okay, then it's even more important to have a long funder. So the there's even like a multiplying factor there that if you using the smaller defender in saying Charlton think is K that doesn't make any sense to me probably have to admit that Utah probably had unfortunate draw drawing use it as a match up because that's the only team that Utah played last year. So Houston can draw upon how they prep for and ultimately really did in dominating Utah. The last two games of the series last year. He Utah will probably be in a better situation that they played someone they hadn't played and the playoffs last year, especially given that the rousers. Really haven't changed a ton on either. Either side so mentality wise, but you point Houston is hungry Houston. Looks to me like the Hungary team in the field. And so Dane you've you at times wanted to kind of press fast forward and go to like a potential second round. And kind of compare contrast that if if let's say the warriors will take six games assay Houston doesn't in four five expectations for second round. Golden State used on is is it going to be the best series? We get and this season. Probably. Yes. I think so I mean, that's the weird to say that feels like the championship could be in the in the second round all the Western Conference playoffs. But I think so I agree with cosign everything that you guys are saying about the the hunger Houston's playing with. I mean, I think they realize like this is this is their time. This is their shop too. To go for it. I I mean CP's old getting older and this is James in his prime. So they they realized this is their year in a way. I don't think that the other teams do you think about like Milwaukee gold say I think could also be a a great finals. But Milwaukee has what's Janas twenty four like, there are more Milwaukee Bucks? Great years to come Houston. Houston's are numbered. And and they recognize that and that's a testament to them and persevering through what they did during the season. I I think they are. I I also agree that it's good that they get a plague and say earlier on before there's been any sort of like gas lost in the tank or or for James to. But I I think we're definitely going to get that series. And I can't wait. Yeah. Same I think he's Utah's in trouble. Think they needed reflector the roster just a little? Bit as much as they can be. We have a very solid for an office. So I think that's likely to happen. They'll they'll get creative as they can to try to bring about a little bit more Utah just needs more offensive creation on that roster. They're letting grays Grayson Allen play. Now more in game two. He didn't play a whole lot this season. So I don't know what they in visit him as he may be interest next year, but anymore were creation. So we'll leave that series there since we're going to kind of long predictions a very quickly. I'll go first I would be calling for Philly to come out of the east. If Embiid we're closer to hundred percent, but he is not Janas looks like he knows he's the best player in the Eastern Conference by quite a bit. I would put him be fairly close to him. If again if he weren't so hurt. So because of that I have the Welke come on out of the east of the warriors still coming out of the west. Although the rockets are starting to make me a lot more interested in the possibility they they could get. There died. Either of you have any other prediction besides Golden State, overcoming walk in the finals. Greg. Let you go first. I'm I'm gonna go with Houston. And I think they were really close to getting their last year, and I think usages playing hunger. I believe it or not in Houston has the is I wouldn't say more Cup. But I think at the six seven eight spots, I say seventy nine spots Houston's got getting more production. And I think I think Houston, you know, Malla question is can they sustain this emotional level without losing their composure. It's it's really sort of fine line. You have to walk. But I think the veterans that they have we should have that can do that. But go with Milwaukee in east, they're not invincible than not unbeatable. But I think they're the best team. And they've shown that so I'm gonna go with Houston the walking form of the thing. Greg. The thing about Houston picking Houston is if they beat the warriors, and what would be a second round matchup. Do they lose their edge after that series? That's the risk that I see DC that is being a risk of losing their heads after that there is the risk. But I think if they get past that they're there. Gonna realize they're going to sort of smell promised land in bigot. They're gonna go even harder is my aunt. But yes, there is a risk of that hitting who do you have? I just think that the safest money is on Milwaukee, Golden State. I think I would be interested to see Houston too. And I'm I'm warming up to that ideas as they've looked good so far and Golden State lost DaMarcus and just below thirty one point lead all that. But I need to also think back to the eighty two games played out the season, and what we know about Golden State, and that's just holding onto that is not enough for me to to pick Houston over them. I'm so I'm going with Milwaukee Golden State, but I do think that this year. I want to say that this year's playoffs are of all the other series that might not necessarily contribute to the championship. I think it is going to be a holistically. Awesome playoffs this year. And even though I don't think Portland or okay. See have a shot of really doing much of anything. Like, I think we're gonna get a battle six or seven games in that series. I it's already been fun on the other side of the bracket. I mean. We spent like thirty minutes talking about Orlando like the there are there are battles going on. And the for the first time in a while feels like, you know, all the rounds of the playoffs are going to be intriguing on a on a nightly basis. And I think we're just we're lucky with the product that has come to for. Sure, I I agree. This is despite the fact that even if it is one which was one coming out of both sides that there's a lot of richness as a basketball fan as a basketball observer basketball analyst, whatever kind of the script or do you want to use every seems like almost every series has something fun about it. And so, you know, let's let's thought four and the opportunity to just really soak it all in enjoy it. So before we head out Dane, anything you wanna plug from your timber wolves coverage as as you entered into this really interesting all season for the team. Yeah. Well, actually for for my podcast, which is the Dane more MBA podcast that you can find wherever you get podcasts. Or you can just follow me for me to plug. It out on Twitter is at Dane more and BA I'm we're going to be all MBA coverage for the next two months until the draft hits. So if you're listening to this podcast, we also have done a as you can maybe tell from my commentary on the bucks and Celtics tomorrow. I'm recording a podcast that is just about those two teams. And what I think it's going to be one of the whoever wins that second round series on the east is going to be the team that does come out of the east. And so we'll we'll do a deep dive on Milwaukee and Boston if you if you'd like to listen to that again, that's the Dane more NBA podcast, and I'll give you thirty to forty seconds to because zone. Coverage put together for the NFL draft one of the best kind of consumable things. So, yeah, it's awesome. So I know this is a basketball podcast while soon, the there's a certain other people that are getting excited about the NFL draft all flipping your eye. Love that output. So just plug that real quick too. Yeah. So I I worked for a site called zone. Coverage dot com where we cover Minnesota sports. But also try and branch out into the the bigger national kind of storylines obviously in the NFL on. That's the NFL draft is huge thing. So all writers have put together an awesome whole sort of draft package there. So you can just find that. If you go to own coverage dot com, you won't be able to miss it on our site or Google zone coverage NFL draft, and we have tons of tons of coverage. They're not not my Cup of tea. But I know that those guys have been working working hard on that all the awesome thing. If you if you were in that will draft Nick at all. Greg's you have a Bari's on a different scale. I give it Omar is a spell in peace coming out to I think. Right. Yeah. It should be out tomorrow. So I know the entire NBA sweater or will be excited to read my season preview season review of our Mari Spelman season by the so the transition I should have made was the NBA player with the most NFL like body. All I am there. But Greg is at Lawton wills. I'm at Wilson is Glen, thanks for listening. We attend to be able to provide analysis weekly. So through the latter half of next week for another podcast, and we'll close out any series of their closed out by then we'll give an Alice's to an easier. He's headed towards potential Sixers game. So thanks for the thing. We back with another episode next week. Thanks, guys. Over here drop line. You're what? Fear. Drain plug you plug in the drain, right? I turn the dock. There's a reason they say curse legacy. Many reasons progressives boat insurance has you covered quote today at progressive dot com. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. 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