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Test Automation with Arnon Axelrod

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Test Automation with Arnon Axelrod

"Hey, Richard, buddy. Guess what time it is a must be that happy time again. That's right. It's time to register for MDC London. January twenty eight to February first back in the QE to conference center in Westminster. Yep. There's a great lineup of speakers. And of course, Scott Hanson is coming back, and our friend tests verandas so go to NBC dash, London dot com to register. And if that is an awesome enough N D C is coming to Parch Aghil. The new show is coming to Porto February twenty six to March. First two days of workshops in two days of conference. So go to NBC Porto dot com to register before December thirty first and get early bird pricing and get this is also coming to Copenhagen March twenty seven through twenty nineth at DIGI ibn. It's two days of workshops and a one day conference. Go to NBC mini dot com. To learn more. Welcome back to dot net. Rocks. This is Carl Franklin, and this is Richard Campbell. And hey, buddy, guess what? I gave up today would did you give up today friend? I'll maybe not today maybe last week, but coughing caffeinated coffee really I have to drink decaf now. Okay. I found it was spiking my blood sugar. Interesting the caffeine could spike your blood sugar. So I don't know if it's just caffeine or if it's the amount of caffeine, or if it was her titular brand of coffee, but all I know is I stopped drinking caffeinated coffee and my blood sugar went down to normal. It was as you know, been type two diabetic for a while. But I don't have the symptoms of type two diabetes anymore. Right, right. I have this continuous glucose monitor that goes in your arm, and has a little device, and it takes a sample of your blood sugar every minute or so and then when you put the. Device in near it. It transfers all the data points to it. So that you can see it in a graph. Right. And I found that normally my blood sugar is well under a hundred eighties nineties, sometimes even seventies and milligrams per deciliter. And then all I fasted for a day. And then the next day. I drank coffee. That's all I did. I just drank some half decaf, maybe four or five cups by the middle of the day was one hundred and fifty eight. It's crazy. So I don't know if the caffeine was perhaps adding stress in that was spiking up. But all I know is that I switch to decaf and everything's fine. So I'm getting old, my friend. Yeah. It's interesting. Because of course, there's arguments that that black hoffy even pulls your blood sugar down to. Yeah. That's I've heard that argument to. Yeah. But you've got data for you. That's all a matter. It's all the matters. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know fasting effects that fasting. If you're just fasting with water and salt your blood sugar should drop. Yes. Yeah. And it did. But then. Yeah. It's just one interesting thing whether fasting, but your body particular state where sugars reveal he's not like your sugars and coffee now. No it though, like what it wears those sugars coming from that your budget goes up, anyway, interesting stuff. Interesting stuff and data. All I've got is my dog turned fourteen. Do you have a party bear hunter man now? Well, I thought I would bring up that testing because we're talking test automation with aren't an Axelrod. But first, let's roll the crazy music for better. No framework. What do you got? This is a very cool project. That's called web gazer dot J 's democratizing webcam. I tracking in the browser. So yes, remember the eye tracker's that were very popular couple years ago. I don't know they were very popular. But there was a wave of them. But they were custom hardware you had to add to your computer to make it work. That's right. And you and you had to calibrate them as well. And well anyway, so this is a job script library uses your webcam interesting. Yeah. And you get a web, gazer dot CIs dot Brown dot, Ed, you or just Google or Bing web. Gazer Dutch AS you can actually do a real time demo, and I would make sure that it's the lights are on. That's all going to say. I got. Yeah. And got to think wearing glasses must complicate things. Like, it's not a trace trivial thing to to track is indeed. But cool. Yeah, it's very cool. So, you know, real time gays prediction on most major browsers. It does self calibration from clicks and cursor movements basically doing that presuming that you're looking where your mouth is point. Yeah. You're is gonna fall your mouse. Exactly. That makes us coupla is a Java script, you got it that whole I tracking thing was really about. What are the hot spots on your site? We'll seeing your ads now that's a great idea. If you can use it in correlation with your pages to sort of map where people's eyes are going. That's a great idea. Yeah. Our friend Kent all stat has a new companies been working on for a while. Now cloud army, which is specifically about applying Niro science to understanding people's behavior. And he and he uses it for market analysis for doing things like understanding whether people care about a brand or recognized packaging things like that. So in rather than serving directly this is actually studying people's. Savior rounded. It's it's complicated. Maybe we should have him on to talk about how we should. But he's big on the eye gazing thing, you think it's where people look it says a lot about what they're actually thinking. Oh, very good. Talk to him about that. All right. So that's what I got. What do you got grabbed come off the show? Fifteen eighty six from October two thousand eighteen we were talking to Patricia asked about reading other people's code, right? I think absolutely correlates with testing and this great comment, which a few months ago comes from one Arnon Axelrod never heard of him. Never heard me. This is great show is always Patricia gives some great tips and techniques for reading someone else's code. However, there's one key thing that I felt was missing for the conversation when you read someone else's code. There should be a reason and go forward, and that this should be kept in mind focusing your efforts and the overall shape of how you go about reading that code, for example, reading old coat of someone who left the company in order to make small change to is radically different from performing code review to a colleague on a new feature. Hey signs that I totally agree and often claim that myself that writing code is primarily a means for communicating between people sometimes between you and your self at some time in the future. And only then a means to program the computer, otherwise, we would just write our programs ones zeros. Yep. Which which true? Yeah. You know, these languages that we use? They're just giving ourselves different ways to express our intent, which certainly the computer correspond to. But also other people reading the cone. Yeah. The thanks Arnon copies. Dako- buys on its way to you. And if you'd like a copy music, oh by write a comment on the website at Donna Iraq's dot com or on Facebook. We publish every show there twice a week. And if you come in there, and we read in the show, we'll send you a copy music. Oh, by and definitely follow us on Twitter. He's at rich Campbell. I'm at Carl Franklin, send us a tweet because we we look at them. So. Yep. Read a comment from our guest. That's right here. He is on an Axelrod. He's a senior consultant and leads the test automated division at Salem group aren't in started coding in the eighties on a spectrum when he was ten and hasn't stopped ever. Since in the last decade specializes in everything related to test automation. And for him everything in the development life cycle is related to test automation. So this includes unit testing integration tests, new I automate automation, tools, including selenium happy spec. Flow and many more the best practices for developing test automation, TD clean, code factoring. Devops agile methodologies and processes software architecture, and even organizational structure, and culture can't leave that out in aren't and writes about these topics and his blog linked in and Twitter and speaks about them internationally. He also teaches them and helps. His customers apply them successfully to their needs. Welcome arden. Hi, thank you for having me. Thanks for being here. Enjoy your new music to code by for writing that already have. And they used it when I wrote the wrote the book. Oh, no kidding nice. Wow. That's so Hello to even mentioned it in the colledge meant, I mentioned you and the on the musical by the college, man. Cool. Thank you. So I guess the whole idea of test automation is just to make it invisible. To the developer as invisible as possible is it or are we still requiring developers to write their own tests? I think that developers should participate in writing the tests in sometimes developers. Right. The test themselves, and I think it's excellent. In some other teams are different people that write the test from the people that write the code are different butter organizational patterns regarding the who writes the test automation. I also have the chapter about it on my buco. So which I think we didn't introduce my book formerly now, let's do that. Okay. So I just throw the book called complete guide to test automation published by April, so very comprehensive book five hundred pages. Everything almost everything that I know about sorta commission in fact for everyone who's interested. It has to mention in anyway, which should be anyone in the development team. This includes developers the testers just donation, developers, of course, managers architects name it. The first part of the book is not very technical. It's more, you know, high level, I it focused more on the law, and the why questions rather than the how and the second part of the book is more technical where I show step by step like tutorial for how to go about designing and writing new testing solution. How right the call and outdoor refractory it because I think that these are very important things when you when you rights destination, it's important to write it in a way that is very easy to maintain and is very reliable. I'm glad that you brought up happy which is a framework for testing mobile apps. There are ways to automate that stuff in the cloud and automate things like happy, and do you think it's necessarily use these cloud based testing farms are can we get by with running local tests on mobile devices. Okay. So. It depends. What you what you want to test? And why I think that the first cycle of testing should be more functional tests and most of what I write in the book is about functional tests in order to write and to run functional debts. You don't need to run it on every device. Most functionality is should be identical. And also, you don't have to test everything through the UI you can test most of the things sway PI or through component test or even unit tests. So most of the functionality don't have to be tested on all devices. But after you have your functional tests bus sometimes you want to test that it works correctly on many other devices than you than it's beneficial though. It's important to remember that most iota mation tools up human being. One of them don't actually test that the UI looks good looks right. And is usable. It's not a replacement for usability testing. Right. So you'll have to keep that in mind. But I guess that there are things that can work work good in one device and don't work well on another device in the functional level either. Yeah. Is that what happens going to show up for you is that this is not rendering correctly on this device? No, so appeal which is very much an extension to selenium which behaves more or less the same only that selenium works on the browser and up him works on a mobile on mobile devices. They reflect what's the elements that are shown on the screen, but not their layout. You you can query the layouts and ask. Were the position of things are, but you you normally don't do that. It's not very effective to to do that. So if about in exist, but it's not very it's not big enough. Or it's not the text is not clear, or even if the text is truncated because of the size of the button up Hume and selenium one tell you this things. Okay. There are other tools of visual testing that do that. But there are more oriented to our towards comparing images against a previous images, which has to some extent. But it also has drawback that in order to maintain the images of the all versions. It can be a lot of work. If something changes in the especially if something changes through the UI across the board. All those images have to be reshot. Then you know, you change the phone. In all of the screens. Then you'll have to re record again, the take the snapshots again are there any considerations for testing micro services that might not seem obvious. Typically, you test it by sending rest calls and get the responses and asserts that you received what you want in the response, but it depends on -plication the architectural delegation, and again what you want to test. I have also one of the chapters in my book, one of the bigger chapters is talking about the architecture the relationships between test automation and architecture of the nation. So you'll have to consider your entire architecture and also consider what you want to test. And then decide what components what services. Or what any any component that they need to include in the application under test and what I can use marks or simulators? And I don't want I want. I don't want them as part of Mehta's because they can make my test less deterministic. I don't have control over them or more slow though, many aspects many considerations to to this. So some people say I have this this Microsoft says it's Microsoft's has has to have its own tests, but it's not necessarily. So in some cases, it's better to to test few services together in some other cases, you can use unit tests or components as to test just part of the micro services. That's one of the promises that Microsoft's right is breaking things up into testable units. A not just testable, but could also break things up to testable units. If you just build your caught in a modular fashion in with classes and DLL's you can build a modular location without being without using micro services. Microsoft says good for scale ability and for more dynamic deployment, but you can build a very modern replication and very testable application, which is not which doesn't use Microsoft says when you're thinking in terms of test automation here is sort of a spectrum. I you're only one I'm presuming is not a big red easy button. And boom, we're test automated like what are the first steps in automation that you need to take. And how do you know when you've gone as far as you can go the few things that you have to look at before you even start to choose the tool and let alone start writing the code. You'll have. To look at the what up the -cation doesn't what's important to test than look the architecture. You also have to look at who's going to write and maintain the tests, this they are I think most of the more important things, then you need to decide about the architecture of the tests and out of the tests interact with application, you can have one solution for this. But sometimes you'll have different kinds of tests for different problems. So as I said, you can have both unit tests integration tests and system tests, for example, the this is the first things that you have to consider before you even start considering the the tools and. And how to write the code, right? Do you find there's architectures software architectures that are resistant testing are very hard to test yet. If the -plication is written in. I want to say monolithic, though, today would most say monolithic. They the think about something that is not micro services. But right as I said as I said before it can be a monolith. In terms of micro services. But it can be very modal are in the way that it's built so application that are really written as one, you know, spaghetti of dependencies forms and. Code behind. Something that you know, you it's hard to break to to smaller pieces. And also if the U I took -nology is not not all your technologies are very friendly to you, I automated so in this case as it can be very hard Yana. And and and you see folks using that as an excuse to not get into testing because it's so brutal and so difficult, and it can't get to the depth of the action design was going on there. Does that put the onus for writing tests on the devs or diesel see separate QA departments? These days. It seems like Microsoft's gone away from there. Yeah. I still I still see see those teams the less. I gave a talk both here and Israel and in Lithuania about destination. Maturity, oh, I got five levels. And one of these levers is separate QA teams from. The development, but when I started to work as a consultant for years ago, it was much more prevalent, and this days it's much less. So I see more and more companies going towards the unified teams. And sometimes into teams were everyone does everything the developers participate in the specification phase. And of course, the the design architectures right called they also test their on code, and they also monitor what happens in production and see the actual results. Let's dig into these five maturity levels of organizations that are adopting test automation. So the first level I call it the nave level because the main question here is how hard can it be some teams that before the the start using decimation? They either think sometimes it's manager thinks I'll just send my QA team to learn a little bit of programming and will teach them to let's say selenium, and they write my tesla donation sometimes it goes from it comes from a manual tester that takes his own initiatives and decides to start writing test automation, and again his thinks how hard can it be. And he starts and in the beginning. He is that it works and is very happy. And they shows it to his manager and manager is may be very happy. But it doesn't hold for very long because it doesn't have the skills to write maintainable stable test and every little every other day that break and takes longer to stabilize them and to fix them than it takes to test tested manually. So. This is the first level, and I've certainly dealt with organizations were in that place where I literally when v two of the product came out we had to throw away all the tests we written and write him again. Are we writing tests the wrong way, probably? It's point is tests shouldn't be that brittle. Yeah. It shouldn't be that real. It depends on how if the Desta written only in technical way, they test technical aspects of the -plication that if this technology changes, for example than this. This should be re re re written, by the way, one this advantage of smaller tests like unit and integration tests. Where system test are less brittle to this kinds of problems though. Of course, the you I took -nology can change too. Right. But so it's not only it's not only that it's also what the test verify. So if the tests verify the behavior of the -plication, let's say in business terms like eh the product to the inventory and sell the product. And if you if you're using this kind of terms than you can. Change the implementation of some metals in the maybe a lot of message, but eight you change only implemetation of some methods in the destination. But the test themselves can remain more or less the same. Now, we're describing tests that are much more about the intent of software rather than the implementation of it. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. By the way, tools, like cucumber inspect flow which fall under the category. People like to call them biddy details. Right. Oh bit. It is more muscle Aji rather than the tools, but this tools guide you to to ride the tests in that's tool men are that describes the business functionality of depletion rather than the technical details. Of course, the tool itself. Cannot force you to do the right thing. Right. So many people use these tools, but the sentence has the right are very. Technical. So y'all so need to use it correctly, Dan. But I appreciate a tool. It sort of helps you fall into the pit of success here rather than you go off on your own and just go the wrong way. We we've we've talked about cucumber inspect flow on the show before. But I think it's literally been years. Yep. I this is brought it up. So I appreciate you mentioning that. But that moving to the next stage of maturity is writing better tests part of that equation. Okay. So let me go through the other levels. So that level is what we talked about before. Which is the QA Centric where the commission is perceived to be a responsibility of the QA team, which is a separate team in the stage. But in this stage, the test automation itself is more mature, there's at least one dedicated automation developer sometimes team of commission developers. But the perception is that the goal is to find bogs. And when the bug is found than they filed a new bug. And if the bug is critical than any other critical bog, it's fixed immediately. But if the bug is not very critical than you file, a bargain, it can be fixed somewhere in in the future whenever the developers will have time two months from now or right or whatever after this this current sprint like if it's a rendering problem on a minor device. You just not going to prioritize it. Yeah. But even it's in the next print. It's it's better. But in some cases, you know, many many companies still work in water scrum way. Scrummed fall. But you release the software to the customer only once every six months, for example, scrummage so so the only the few sprints towards the release. These are the stabilisation springs and only then you fix the bugs. Right, right. I get it. The I think we're just sort of walking around this test automation is part of a DevOps practice of doing continuous delivery. That sort of thing I it's very related. I think the DevOps is morally is more applicable to SaaS products, you know, web applications or web service, but not locations in the world where you're not doing installations on client machines. Yes, medical applications that you know, they have to go through a day verifications. And right. So not everything is just a web application that you saw. Out and immediately. Everyone says it then everybody's always on the latest version like you just don't we live in the web world. You just lose track of the fact that that in the deployed world people are running old versions of your software. And you can't stop them, really. Exactly. Yeah. It's an inch. It's an interesting problem just dealing with that. But you know, maybe we should have addressed this right off the bat. What is automation getting me if not going down, this continuous delivery pipeline? Like, why do I want to automate? Okay. So it is about continuous delivery. Though. In those cases, what were you release the product only once every few months, then it's more as an internal process. Like, let's say continuous integration rather than continuous deployment. But it's also very beneficial there because you can work internally where every sprint you add a little bit of value to the product and you'll prioritize to start with a Maury potent features at the beginning. And if things aren't going the way you you plant it exactly from the beginning. At least you can do. Deliver something on the time. You you decided to deliver it, and it's in good quality, and it works, and it gives a lot of value to the customer still. Yeah. I absolutely. And I hate to keep going off on these different trails as we work through the maturity model, but I just think these trails are super interesting too. It's like these are the problems you're gonna run into. So we've got some folks that are now thinking about on my all the time. I would imagine they're often QA folks, but decent finance just like certain developers on a team that they're they got a knack for automation. And that's what they tend to work on. I who is the person leading your automation effort at this point. Is it a dedicated QA person? Or is it a developer? So it's typically a developer that belongs to the team. It's decimation developer. Sometimes it can be someone who was a manual tester, but has some more programming knowledge typically in this level, you don't use very let's say expensive or a junior developers companies try to hire people more juniors or testers that have some programming background, right? As I know a lot of developers like to automate everything, you know on a. Automated deployments, and and deliveries and automated testing just should be part of that. Yes. Of course, is part of the test of the commission of the of the deployment of the end of the integration and everything, but it requires different skills different mindsets. It's not just automating the process because test are a little bit different than just making a process. So the problems in this QA Centric level is that the maintainability instability are handled, but they're still struggling still a challenge and the collaboration with the developers is is not very good at this point. And in fact, the feedback loop is very long, right? I still sounds. You're repressing the edges of a DevOps conversation. Again, they I want those sorts of cycles. I want people to see things quickly. And I just really am enjoying your approaching this from a test automation perspective, so keep moving next level. Okay. So the next level never is collaboration and this level the decimation developers and the application developers work in the same team or in the same scrums team that list, and they work more closely together. Here a test is failing in the nightly build it should be fixed the next day. But it's typically in this level. These are still different trolls, they're all of the just automating, developer and obligation developers. And they're starting to cooperate. But it's still not full cooperation. They don't often do code reviews to one another in the commission breaks and tested commission. Developer is on vacation. Then maybe they're late for him to return. In order to check what happened and so on and also the test automation that that is developed here is more the end to end tests and less unit or integrations. Sometimes there are unit tests in this level too. But the developers right the unit test and test automation developers. Right. The system test. But they hardly talk to each other about what do you test here? And what do we test here? So they stopped to collaborate. But it takes time until this collaboration really really matures are there particular practices to get them to collaborate better as it's just come with experience. I think that first of all it's an organizational decision to. Working in the same teams that the test automation, developers the developers of applications start working in the same team or at least use the same scrum teams. But also in this level oftentimes the test automation developers. Right. The test automation only for the Fisher that were developed in the previous print, right? So a little bit of like, a mini waterfall. So so regarding bogs, the feedback loop is much smaller. But regarding the development of the test automation itself, they develop it once pre after the developers, and it's still hard to get them to fix or change something in order to make it more testable. Right. And I think that's a very interesting feedback that in having the devs involved in the testing is important because and they realize how hard they're code is the test. Yeah. So the first level is what I called fusion and here the collaboration is really is really tight here. You'll typically see either one team that everyone is developer an engineer, as you mentioned, Microsoft, these days work in this fashion. Yeah. So everyone lens the test right implemented test execute attest and. This is almost as far as destination. Maturity can go though, still typically bogs, you know, are just a way of life. But here the teams starting to think in strive towards getting into zero bogs at least zero bug as mindset DC that is actually achievable. It depends. How you how you define it. I think that it's more of a mindset, but I think that it's a Chipper Bill that if you prioritize fixing anybody everybody as quickly as possible over adding new functionality, right? And you also do root cause analysis for everybody and try to make things to prevent similar bugs from occurring. It can be not only from by changing the code. It can be by changing the way, we work some process. Gers or things and the key part. There is causing Alice's not just fixing the bugs. But trying to figure out how we got them in the first place. Yeah. Exactly. So I think it's very challenging in fact, the fifth level, which I'm going to talk about now, I don't know any team that really works that way. Exactly. But I saw teams that they used to work in a team that were was very close to this. So I called the fifth level the encompassing level because here the test automation is not only for testing not only for verifying functionality. But it encompasses the entire development life cycle. And this is where the bitty d we mentioned before are I like to call it. ADD acceptance test driven development, which is very similar methodology. This is where it kicks in in this methodology and mine. Set the team collaborates, let's say typically most developers think that the product owner should describe the specification of the new feature that they won't this is what most developers think of when they think about user story. But here, I think about user story only as the finishing of a problem, you know, the three sentences as a role in order to something I won't LA LA, LA, right? This formats of user stories or do. So I say that the product owner should only ride the to the first two sentences as they're all in order to. That's it what they want is already the solution to the problem. And I think that the team should collaborate on the product owner should come with a problem and discuss with an tire team. What should be the? The best solution to the problem. Sure. Now, I gotta think the guy on the news stories knows what he wants the answers to be. But he's leaving room for other people to present other ideas there so he can suggest his own solution. But her but making it a suggestion is way better than dictating. What should be done right and builds up the team's confidence and groggy of the problem. Exactly. So the team decides core decides collaboratively on the solution. And then they defined acceptance criteria for this solution, right? And when they defined this exception criteria, they defined it in a manner of an example, user example. So the user does this and this and that should be the result. So right. This is already finishing of test. And when it's done collaboratively, it's easier to find gaps in the understanding of different peoples in in the team because when we talk, you know, in general wards, sometimes I can I can use one word to mean one thing that you can use the same or to another thing. And we both show that we both understand each other. But when I go and implemented, the one thing deals think that it's completely different from what you. You you sought. So when you talk about Zampa lls concrete examples, it's easier to to spot this this gaps while I'm getting back to your whole point about the root cause analysis. How often do we find our real root causes? They didn't fully understand the problem. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And so going through this process to help them really understand. The problem is is key part of it. You're you're you're stopping bugs with that activity. It'll they'll never get written. Exactly. So now, you'll have the definition of the of the tests you can automate the tests even if the -plication is not written yet. Now, of course, you can decide collaboratively also which which kind of test should I write in order to test. It should it be an end to end test or unit test, and then you implement the test and implement the code that makes this test pass, you know, like. Thity? But the great thing is when you do if you do it from the beginning of a project or early enough than by definition, you have full coverage of destination on every feature you ever developed. Yeah. And this coverage is not only just a metric of code coverage. But it's also the coverage of the user stories of the real solution to the real problems of the customers. I get it. I'm wondering how often those user stories end up being expressed this sort of accepted driven test model comes into really describing a business case anyway, and a business value proposition is the metric of a pass yet. Exactly. So if you'll have full coverage and full coverage of very valuable tests, not just technical tests, then you can easily reflect or your coat, and you can get rid more easily of technical debt. Or let's say if you do it from the beginning you can avoid having any technical debt. Yep. And that's what you want all the time. You can continuously reflector your car to make it the best possible design. Every every given moment, and this also prevents bugs when the design is good many bugs caused by design, and it's very hard to keep the design Goodwin. The when the requirements change and requirements always change. So you need to refractory in order to keep your design and your coat Clinton and easy to maintain. And if you don't do it the mo- boxes, but if you do it, and if you have full coverage of of acceptance tests than you can do it very easily and very safely and continuously refectory or called to keep it clean. And with good design. Sounds like a worthy goal tough to get to though. Yeah. Very tough Warren. And we wish you a lot of luck with your book and in the future, and and thanks for spending this hour with us. Thank you before we wrap up I want to to let you know that listeners of the show or religious to discount of my. Book if you go to a percent and the discount code destinations, you get twenty percent discount. Oh, thank you. That's very generous. I'm sure you'll get get some sales off of that. Thank you. And thanks again, aren't an and we'll see you your listener next time on dot net. Ross. Dot net. Rocks is brought to you by Franklin's net and produced by plop studios. A full-service audio video post production facility, located physically new London, Connecticut. And of course, the cloud online at P W O P dot com. Visit our website at DOT any T R O C K 's dot com for our feeds downloads mobile, apps, comments and access to the full archives. Going back to show number one reported in September two thousand to make sure you check out our sponsors. 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Hey Moms Stop Pretending - 525

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Hey Moms Stop Pretending - 525

"Hi Charlene Nikki I was just listening to your episode number five twenty four about life being hard. You know that time isn't going to last and I just really wanted to come on here and tell you how important that is. I lost my fiance back back in November and that initial grief is so overwhelming that you cannot imagine anything getting better but once you find your hope again you realize that you can move forward and that these moments do get better her and although there are things that you will carry your grief that life is essentially good and that you just have to look around you you and see how much good and how much love and hope there is in life and I've been having a difficult couple of days and this this episode just brought so much hope again and made me realize how important hope and love enjoy our to have have our lives and those things help us get through those moments that are so difficult and I just want to thank you for everything that you do there. There are so many things that helped me through in my lifetime and I can't thank you enough. I love you and just keep doing what you're doing doing. You are amazing. You are the bomb dot com. Thank you Arlene for everything. Hey there welcome to this edition of the show. Selene show today. We're talking about all things mom now. If you happen to be a dad or happened to know a mom or happen to have kids this episode so is going to be of interest to you and this might also be of interest to you. If you're planning on having kids some day in fact I hope it's of interest to you because these are the kinds of things you wanna what I think about in advance of the kinds of things. I hope that you will talk about with your future partner. And if you're in the middle of it this is really an important episode. So let's let's get to it. Welcome to the show. Jelena's a New York Times bestselling author celebrity fitness trainer. Obsessed with helping you live your dream life as has per usual. This episode is motivated. I guess inspired by a post. I did on instagram. If y'all aren't follow me on instagram you need to and you should probably hang out the stories because in the stories it's on the stories I forget which is the appropriate thing to say but it's in the stories where I just tend to speak my mind. I don't do a lot of strategy. It's like whatever's on my mind whatever's going on whatever it is I'm struggling with or your struggling with and asking me questions about the tends to be the content. I'm posting listening to my instagram stories. And so this week I posted something about female speakers and just not crazy about the fact that there are are so many business conferences. Where I'm there? And the audience is seventy percent female ninety percent female and the majority of speakers seekers majority of thought leaders on the stage are men which is fine it like it is what it is except that there are a lot of great female speakers out there who Arnon those stages right in so I mentioned that in my instagram stories and I started getting a ton of replies about a couple of really well known female speakers who you make the circuits. And you know there's a lot of them so don't even try to guess who these folks are 'cause there's plenty of them but many of these women I've met them. I know them mark. Met them backstage. Or you know we just run in kind of some of the same circles and I think they're amazing speakers but my point is about all of this you want to align with a mentor. Who is honest about what they're doing and how they're doing it? Let me give you an analogy. If if I want to be a natural bodybuilder if I want to naturally grow my muscles and I'm trying to emulate my mentor or my fitness trainer and they are jacked up on steroids. And they're telling me that that's a disservice. That's someone I can't trust because I I can't do what they're doing. And expect the same result and the same is true when we are line ourselves with mentors or coaches who we want our lives to look like their lives but we don't have the full story we don't have the full picture and it's not to say that we need to judge what someone else is doing but we do need to look at it and go all right. What part of this aligns with my own priorities and things that I want for my life because I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with using steroids steroids? I'm not judging it but I don't WanNa do that and the same is true of following a mentor. Who perhaps it's telling you how A to be successful? But you don't want to do the things that they're doing in their life and they're just not being honest about that. That's my point. And so when it comes to women in particular specially Ashley those leaders who are MOMS who are speaking to MOMS and talking to them about you know how to release at least the guilt of not being able to do it all and kind of like pretending it's like they're pretending as though they're in the trenches and living a life like yours when they're not. I just just think we are doing each other a great disservice. Listen it is hard enough to be a mom. The struggle is real. It's hard enough to be apparent in general all and you can disagree with me. Go ahead send your letters. I just think it's really hard for moms especially the ones who've decided to to work or to pursue a career or to build a business from home and in addition to that they are determined to be a present doesn't kind of stay at home mom at the same time and then they're learning from women who are saying. Look you can do all of this. But those women aren't being honest about the help that they have or the help that they're getting so I just have to say there is no judgment if you have four kids in five nannies. No problem that's awesome. That's great for you but you need to be honest about that because if on the other hand you're giving women the impression that all the things that you've done you've done by organizing your time really well and just dealing with the difficulties of the struggle. That's not helping anyone. That's not not being honest. That's no different from loading up on steroids and saying I got these results. Naturally just you gotta come clean with it. That's all I'm saying now. I'm a big fan of having help from the moment I've had this podcast. Not only have I disclosed and explained exactly how we were able to do what we did and what we weren't able to do I mean because I've talked a lot about that all the things we just couldn't do because we had certain expectations certain standards for family. Certain way we wanted things to look we believed in a certain amount of balance. That was right for us again. Not suggesting needs to be prescribed. Describe to you but from the beginning I was very transparent about that. If you listen to the show for more than a couple of years you know. I am probably one of the loudest proponents that advocates for women. Getting help for anyone getting help. I don't just mean women but I am speaking to my ladies today and saying that I've said from the beginning. You just have to get help figure out what things you. Don't one outsource what things actually really really important to you. And don't outsource those things things but like the other things like if you doing laundry doesn't have a bearing on whether or not you feel like you're good mom but yet having clean laundry does is within hire someone to do the laundry couple hours a week that was a pivotal moment in our marriage in our family and the development of our children is when I realized I need my kids to have clothes and I want things to be organized. But I'm not less of a mom if I have somebody else do the laundry however however I didn't feel I know for me personally that when I did have more help with my kids like even my in laws are my parents helped doubt. I just personally felt like that's what I WANNA do. That's what I WANNA do. If my mom drove my daughter to cheer practice or dance the practice or whatever or basketball whatever or brock or whatever. I didn't feel good about that. It wasn't I didn't feel good about my mom. Being with my kid I was just like a guy I know. I have very limited time with these two. I want to be there. And that's how I decided. Okay I WANNA be with my kids therefore for when I'm in our laundry room at the time. The garage folding clothes. I'm not with my kids and this is an extra hour and a half or three hours or four hours every league-record like be doing something cool like something where I could actually be present and not feeling short tempered in rushed and annoyed almost because I have to rush back can get laundry done. Do you know what I mean so we did. I just WanNa talk about what we did. Because if I'm going to tell other women you need to be honest and transparent about it. I want you to know that I have been and I want to continue to be honest and transparent about that and we're in a different season in our lives now. Our kids are grown. But it wasn't too long Ugo a year ago. They were home and so when they were little and we were trying to build a business. I was trying to do it all myself at that point. That's when Britain I were. We're doing everything like we were trying to balance between the two of us all right if your home then I can go train with personal training clients or I can work on my business all right then I would come home and be with with the kids. And then Brentwood do something. We would go back and forth through that we did all of the cleaning. We did all the cooking organization everything. Hello all the domestic except right but the house was a freaking disaster. It was a freaking disaster and I could bust through it and clean it up you. You know couple times a week which always felt super stressful or if someone was coming over but it always felt like an overwhelming chaos. And it probably wasn't that bad but in my mind felt like that because it always felt like there's so much more wasn't getting to be I WANNA be with my kids and then there was all the business stuff so around age. Let me think what age it would have been. I think I'm GonNa Guess Think Sierra was probably four are I would guess so. Make Brock like seven is when we first tired and as you've heard the story before and as was the woman who we rehired when we were flat out broke beyond broke like I was crying and arguing with over the decision to hire someone to do laundry. I'm like how can we do do this. This is so irresponsible we don't have money. Why would we hire someone to do laundry? I can do it. I just need your help. We can't afford to do this. And he just really put his foot down and said let's just get caught up. Just do it for two weeks and if it's not better then you know. Obviously we don't have to use her but like let's just get caught up and that's the pretend under which we brought her into our house and in life changed dramatically and I've heard from thousands. That's not an exaggeration. I've literally heard from thousands of women that hearing that story is the story that gave them permission to bring someone into their home to help with laundry and sometimes it's an entrepreneur and sometimes it's just a mom who's like. I'm not being the MOM. I wanted to be short tempered. I have a short fuse. I have no energy for my husband. I want my marriage to improve. This isn't even about my business. This girl I just WANNA be like who I once was. I want to be happy. I don't WanNa feel so much I'm being look. Excuse my language of age around my husband and my kids because I it just I feel like I'm drowning and so I you know I get these letters from women who are like I brought someone in and everything changed in all here from entrepreneurs. I hear it from Dad's I hear here at from single MOMS. I hear it from college students now. Who are like you know? They don't even have kids but they're like yeah just bringing someone to help clean my apartment or help me get organized or do whatever. It is having my groceries delivered like these things that we think. Why would I pay someone else to do that? I can do it myself for free absolutely but think of all the other things you need to do and there are people out there who will allow you to get to the thing that really makes a difference end of the day. What matters has more than your happiness than your piece so we brought in Anez three days a week for just a couple of hours each day like literally three days a couple of hours and when I say a couple all of ours I think it was like two or three hours and obviously because she was coming three times a week though laundry was like really caught up so it wasn't too long after she started that she could get the laundry like you know basically she start the laundry and then she do like two or three hours of cleaning and organizing because a laundry was caught up in everything was put in its correct place and everyone knew where their clothes were in? Her house was so organized. A neat like every freaking day. And I know what you're thinking. Well I have a housekeeper. I'm I'm not talking about that. Because the housekeeper. She's coming once a month or he or crew or whatever or even once a week now once a week is still pretty helpful but like let's say they're even coming every other week. I'm just telling you give it a whirl. See what happens if you have them come more often. Just see. Usually we get a better rate. It doesn't take them as long and the main thing does it eliminates that thing that we do when we know the housekeepers coming and we're like everybody ready clean up we've got to get his place clean because the housekeepers coming right. You know you do that. Well it's crazy when you have have someone coming on a regular basis how much that changed everything for us. It's when our business went to the next level twin. My house became organized. It's when I learned how to stay organized so even though I've done countless podcasts about the importance for your brain health for your mental health of getting and staying organized the the fact of the matter is it's really hard to do if you have small children and you don't have help all right so we brought in three days a week and then and after that pretty quickly we moved into a bigger home. And then we brought on Myra Myra was our full-time house manager so let me tell you when Myhre did so it probably look. Wow your house is always so clean and but I was always very transparent about that. Myra made our flowers. Myra helped us with our food. Prep Myra reclaim the house. She helped take care. She picked up the dog poop. She walked the dogs. She put away the laundry and kept house organized that allow Brittany to make them breakfast twists every morning. That allowed US instead of one of us. Having to stay back and clean the dishes we as a family road together to school and drop the kids off to school cool. It allowed us to get a workout in not think. Oh my gosh we gotta get back to the House and clean the dishes. Are these things a luxury. Yes but listen to the story Lori. It started with US broke. It started with us not being able to afford someone and realizing the nothing was going to change until we realize as we couldn't afford not to have help vase on what we wanted our home to look like and by look I mean what we want our family to look like what we want our kids to feel what we wanted life with our children to look like and by look like I don't mean like from someone looking in I mean what did Bredon I envision for our family our dream. What was our vision for our family and if we were going to create that vision we needed help? Because does that vision required when I could picture it when we talked about what it looked like. It looked like piece. It looked like us being able to spend time with them. It didn't look like stressed out. Maniacs who were constantly at each other's throats in screaming at their kids yeah we had our kids make their own beds and keep their rooms clean. But that's not to say there are housekeeper. Didn't go in. Their room sometimes. Probably straighten things up or I would have projects. I'd say like Myra can you go through Brock's drawers and just Paul all the medium. MM suits and donate them today. Because he's in a large shirt now. Lignalo shirts fit him anymore and those kinds of things man is no joke. Where the difference that makes? Oh there's more wait there's more help and more help and more help so the more help that we brought on in terms of our business obviously not not only did our business grew but it allowed us to have a better life because anytime we brought someone on it was something I soon would realize. Oh I don't need to do this anymore and that thing that I thought only I could do or that. I was the only one who would ever be able to do it. Well I was wrong. It might have taken taking some time to teach someone how to do it the way I would do it like even laundry even like the way you organize your house. That's a process and that might be something you're putting off because you're like oh I just I couldn't bring someone on until you get my house organized wrong spring someone on just a couple of hours a week anyway so eventually we brought more people into our business and eventually we brought more people into our lives to help us with our lives. Listen life for I have a favor to ask of you. While you're listening to the show right now. Can you just take a screen shot of it and then share it to your instagram story or your facebook page and V. Certain to tag me that way I can check in with. 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Know that Kristin Kristin how long have you been with me. Like I don't know nine hundred years but initially I ask Kristen to come and work with me I say with me. Because she's like has always been my boss because she is one of those people just like crazy organized can think ahead understands what you need can forecast before you even think about. It knows how your brain works and so originally. She worked worked with Brittany as kind of our cholera life assistant but like she handle everything you know. Here's another thing MOMS. They does any mom what he wants. The team mom I would raise my hand and then I would outsource it to Christmas Eric. Kristen here the dates that I'm in charge of we've got to come up with the schedule for snacks. We got to write a letter. Okay here's all the parents emails. Email them on like I outsourced that I wasn't like Super Mom and I always raise my hand because I always wanted to take that responsibility and not have to have another mom feel burdened by it because I knew it was worth the investment to have kristen handle it and she she did and she would pick up the snacks and she. Would you know if there were birthday parties. I would be able to tell her like okay. Hey so it's a twelve year old and they love Brandy Melville and and I was gonna say what the sizes are but there's only one size of Brandy Melville Hashtag real inclusive anyways. I digress. She would do all of that and she would would book travel and she would help schedule appointments and if there was a contractor to meet or plumbing or a toilet that was clogged. There's always something freaking going on when you have kids or there's doctors appointments to reschedule or things at the school to keep track of an calendar to coordinate all these things plus all things are going on in our business and our finances and paperwork work digits stuff like there's so much stuff to be an adult. Am I right like there's so many things you'd have to file and paperwork and extensions and all the things and checks six to be sent and people to be paid and it's hard to be an adult and she was all of that for us and very very sharp and eventually obviously. She kept transitioning more and more into our role at team. Johnson and now she is our full-time podcast manager and does more things than that at our businesses. Well then the kids graduated from high school and went off to college and we moved from twelve thousand square feet back into three three thousand square feet at the House. And that meant. I had to become a minimalist insert I roll from Brett. I think I'm a minimalist now. Maybe minimalist is the wrong word. Maybe that's a little more powerful than what I am. Okay I had to become a realist. There we go so in the past asked if I found. I don't unless you say like a shirt that I loved the way it fit. I would buy that same shirt in four different colors now. Now I'm like I don't really have that kind of closet space. Let's just get one because I'll probably be sick of it later anyways so I had to really cut down. There weren't kids we. I went from having four dogs. Two birds of bunny. Like you know all these things to just having two dogs those dogs and to humans and it felt very manageable so we no longer need to house manager. Kristin at this point was working fulltime team. Johnson right doing the stuff our podcast manager under which is keeps her quite busy. 'cause we do five episodes a week. They'll do tribe is the other one we do. I should probably put the soda. I'm build your tribe too. Yeah Yeah Yeah for sure. It's go on both episodes all right so we're doing both of those things right and it's just the two of us and we're in the smaller home and it's easy at first to keep up with all all these things I'm A. Wow Sh wash clothes in the dryer like. This isn't bad but I'm going to tell you that it wasn't too long. I should say that. Let's see how long it's been like two years now that we've been in the new house kind of back and forth between the two but in the last six months I kept looking looking at my push goal and realizing I'm picking the wrong push goal because I'm working towards my push Goba my other ten goals. I'm not making a lot of progress on them so this must be the wrong push goal and recently I just asked myself. So what is it that standing in my way of doing all these other things I have as my ten goals else and the answer was time and to feel clarity and more peace so then I had to take a look at how I was living my life and I really do some soul-searching to determine that even just you know twenty thirty minutes every morning to clean up and you know another two hours every week to do laundry and keep the House organized and the dog walking in the deep cleaning of the house. Hey wait the second. Even though the two of us to maintain the level of organization that I like for my ad brain. So I can feel that calm when I walk into my home. It takes a lot of hours and just about ten days ago. Well actually longer than that two weeks ago I realize. Oh Oh this is my new push goal my push goal. Remember a push goals a thing that allows you to make all the other things happen. My push goal needs to be. I need a new house house manager. I don't need a fulltime house manager but I need some in here right now to start two days a week. part-time that person who organizes does a laundry either overseas a cleaning crew but is a person who can do all the things that I'm doing right now me with the contractors. Keep the place organized create filing sustems pull the house together each day. I love that phrase in fact when I was interviewing house managers the first woman I interviewed said the first thing I'm GonNa do when walking your house. Get this is what she said. I was like what do dreams really come true. She said I am a laundry expert. So the first thing. I'm GonNa do each day when I walk doc in your house. I'm going to go into your bathrooms on a scoop of your damp towels. And if they're dirty they'll be washed if you've just used them just day than they're going in the dryer with a fabric sheet eight because fresh dry towels are tells it or never musty. I'm like Oh never heard about this before sounds delicious. And then she said and then I'll pull the house together together. Shouldn't say deep Glen. I will pull the house together and I know what that means ladies. You know what that means on like I'm in heaven so my point is I don't even have kids at home right now and I have help. I've helped with all these things. I have someone who comes over to walk the dogs. Do I walk the dogs yet but I hate that feeling of Oh shoot. I'm tired at the end of the day. The dogs and go for a walk. I love them but I'm just too tired. I just want to relax or maybe I WANNA work out right so I've hired someone to walk the dogs on the daily again before you think to yourself or you're talking back to me in your car or on your headphones bones and thinking you. I just can't afford that. I hear Ya but what would happen if you gave it a shot if you prioritize all the things you'd like to do prioritize them right 'cause walking the dogs that might be like a real luxury but what about just the laundry. What if someone just came in and did the laundry for you minimum wage even or you used a laundry service? I'm recording this right now. From my son Brock's apartment up at UC Davis. We came up to see him this weekend and he uses the laundry service. Why because the kids a full time entrepreneur and a full-time college student so so at some point something has to give? And I'm sitting in his apartment right now in his bedroom it spotless. It's like I'll tell you what my my college room did. Did Not look like this. Did Not and part of the reason why he's able to do those things is because he's outsourcing the things that he can have done for far less us like maybe minimum wage or even less than that like by using a service which allows him to make his own money and be able to buy his own car and pay for his own things. And I don't care whether you're a mom Tom or dad or just consider making that investment having that leap of faith when you feel like you can't afford it because has I'm telling you you can't afford not to have the help my point is I have a lot of help and I have a big beef with women and who pretend they're putting their lives out in social media and listen. I'm not talking about all women. I'm talking about the women who are leaders. The women who want everybody everybody else to buy their things and look at their books. And you know they're influencers and they're talking about how they live their life and here's how I make my i. I don't know Mason Jar Salads. Right and they're perpetrating. This fictitious facade because they're showing you all the perfection all the things that you should do in all the things that they're doing but what they're not doing is telling you about all the help that they have. I'm fine with you having helped. I think it's a disservice service and it's dishonest. It's inauthentic and it will endear people to you if you would just be honest about it. Just tell people listen. The reason why. I'm able to just get everything organized right now is because my mom lives around the corner and she's takes the kids every Tuesday and Thursday for X. number of hours or I've got two kids and I've got three nannies. Be Honest about it. You don't have to be guilty about it. It's no one else's decision but yours. There's no shame in that the only only you should be ashamed of is giving other women the impression the you're doing it all and that your perfect pristine life with your kids and matching you. You know white onesies on your all white furniture and you're all white home or like you know walking through a field of wheat with your perfect children. Meanwhile like just tell us that you had four nannies. They're helping to get them already. Because that's honest because we all have common sense when when we see those things it's like either I don't like you or this. I'm not buying this. You feel those two things and the third option is if someone does believe that. This person is able to do that without help. And then what does that make them feel makes them feel like they have failed like. Why can't I do all these things? Why is my house such a mess? Why is it my kids? I'm lucky if they get a bath three times a week. Why isn't my kids? Run out the door and their clothes are mismatched. Match tonight. Didn't even get to run a brush through my daughter's hair and none of my clothes match. Do you know what I'm saying like when you're dishonest either people people are not buying it and they don't trust you or they think you are doing it and it makes you unrelatable because you're like super woman who doesn't exist or the third and final options. You just just make another women feel bad about themselves. Because you're not telling the whole truth again. I just make that same exact analogy of a huge bodybuilder. Who's got generous strength or it's the same thing as one of these celebrities who you think? She has a tiny waist because she's been wearing a waist trainer when meanwhile well she's had massive amounts of liposuction and then fat injections does she and we're not going to name names but like people can say oh but that person had a an MRI and there was no implant Well fat doesn't show up on an MRI. So they're doing injections and that's just dishonest. It's frigging dishonest. And it's GonNa come back to these people you gotta be honest about what it is. You're telling other people can do to. You can't say I'm putting on a waste trainer and that's why I have a fourteen inch waist. That's not why you can't say I'm lifting all natural and that's why you're gonNA run into five thousand people in your lifetime and you'll never see another one looks like me. No you're on steroids dude right and you can't say to the woman who's got five perfect kids enter homeless pristine and and she looks like she just came out of dry bar and had her makeup done and she looks like this twenty four seven and she and her husband are sprinkling rose petals as they head off to date night. Like that's all possible but with help with help with help. So when these women travel the world and get on in stages and they pretend that they're in the trenches. I'm a mom just like you MOMS power to the MOM's like it's hard. It's hard when meanwhile that speaker hasn't been home in forty eighty two weeks and has a whole slew of Nannies and which is fine but be honest about it because we like authenticity eighty and we live in a day and age. where I think we're beginning to wise up and go? That's not possible is it. I hope that we are and I hope that you'll hear this. If you're one of those women who maybe you've been fearful to be honest about that because you thought you would be judged that people would say that. Oh Gosh. I can't afford a nanny so good for you but I can't afford that. Yes some women are going to say that but the majority of them will love you even more and trust you even more because you're being honest and feel better about themselves because right now. We are putting unrealistic unbelievably unrealistic damaging expectations on each other because of the facades that people are posting and social social media. Because we're not talking about the help that we have. Here's another thing like some women have a husband who is completely hands off does nothing does nothing and you if that's you you can't compare your life to the life of another woman who her life looks very much like yours except her husband. It's a fifty fifty partner. He's cooking and he's helping to get the kids ready at night and he's putting the kids in bed like you know if we can be honest about these things it just. It's just an easier place for us all to evaluate and no I'm doing the best I can. I'm doing okay. I'm doing my best. Given these circumstances dances and doing a pretty good job. And we're just not gonNA feel like that if we're only getting part of the story so demand it you know and and maybe baby it's just a matter of asking maybe someone that you follow in social media and things awful freaking perfect. I bet they'll be honest with you if you are asking in such a way. That's loving if you just said can you help me understand do you. Does your husband help a lot. And you don't have to answer this personal by love to know if you have someone who helps it. Keep Your House organized or help you with the laundry or and ladies if you are one of those influencers this is my call to action and to you come clean. Just explain to women what it is you have helped with honesty really is the best policy. It's it's a much easier place to be. You don't have to defend yourself and you don't have to hide when we keep secrets we always feel like we're about to be found out so just be honest and we'll help each other out all right. Listen it's really hard to be apparent. It's really hard. It's not easy so read more books about it and get more help and don't be afraid to ask for help and also remember this. It's a very very short season in you. You don't get a second chance no you do. Not you can build your business. You can build everything else at the same time Shir but you need help because if you don't have help one thing's gonNA suffer. Maybe two things are going to suffer and I need state with the air. 'cause you know what that is but it is possible. It is possible to do that and raise children. But if you don't have helped something's going to suffer and your business for my benefit we just they made it okay for us to grow slower. That was okay and we have a lot of freaking help a lot of freaking help and we still grew slower. You have to have policies in place talking to another Gal recently. Who's like she said? You know my things things. I only want to speak once a month but now the offers are coming in constantly and I've got kids and constantly getting these offers. How do I handle? Oh that like I feel like I have to seize these opportunities. Then you are truly firm in your priorities because if you are you stick to them or you take your kids with view right. I mean but you have to have policies in place otherwise the second people come knocking at the door with a bigger paycheck and more notoriety. Your Ego starts to cloud your better judgment. You have the rest of your life to do all the things that God intended for you. So keep your priorities straight. Focus on what's most important to you. Set Your Ego aside all those opportunities and more will be there for you and God reward. Your patients cod rewards those of us. Who Do the right eight things and no one ever said it was going to be easy but the rewards are re donkey? It is so awesome to know you've done right by the people who matter most. Listen I love you. I know is probably controversial topic. I'm sure people will take issue with it and that's fine. That's okay camp. Got Thick skin. Pass along to someone who you know needs to hear it would pretty much be anyone who's a parent or planning on being a parent. Pass it along to them. Let's get the word out alright and be sure tag me if you're going to post it up on instagram. 'cause I I really appreciate that I love you. 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Detour To Neverland - Episode 114 | Shealyn from Sor Design Co on Etsy Designs & Inspiration

Detour To Neverland

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Detour To Neverland - Episode 114 | Shealyn from Sor Design Co on Etsy Designs & Inspiration

"Welcome to detour to Neverland Your Guy Delivering Your Best Disney life through your hobby or business. Here's your host Brendan and Catherine welcome back to be towards shorts Neverland today's episode number one hundred and fourteen before we get into our interview portion couple of things that we wanted to mention we've mentioned it for a few episodes now but our brand new newsletter that will be starting this Wednesday July twenty four th I that we're dropping that is going to have a blog post that Catherine worked on and also some content that we've found around the web that we think will help you with growing your projects in expanding your reach and just trying to help you out anyway that we can so if you want to sign up for that detoured Neverland Dot Com forward slash newsletter is where you can do that we'll be sending that first one out on Wednesday and we plan to send them out weekly from there so we won't be spamming your inbox. Just hopefully something that's helpful. Quick read that can help you as you're working on your projects. The other thing is the rest of this week is going to be a little bit different than our normal schedule as some as as some of you may know no. We just got back from a trip to Walt Disneyworld. We tried a lot of new things on this trip so it's really two episodes worth of discussion so we're going to do that both on Wednesday and Friday of this week in episodes one fifteen and one sixteen so be sure you subscribed and tune into those episodes so today our interview is with Shalin who ran sore design co on Oetzi you we will put the link to her shop down in our show notes as well a really really fun chat really insightful and yeah hopefully it helps you guys out if you're looking to get into that S._e.. Space or just to get some Disney inspiration so thank you so much for joining us day now. Go ahead and play the interview for you. Well thank you for having me I love of being here <hes> my knee Michelen and I do run store design on instagram and an essay shop and probably one fact you wouldn't know about me from my instagram. Account is <music>. Is that <hes> trying to think of that one 'CAUSE I. I try to make myself a pretty open person but maybe the fact that I've worked in the restaurant industry. Sorry for fifteen years I might account more like business management base but I used to be in a restaurant do bartending and bringing food people all the time Gotcha so we have a lot of patients yet yup. I guess that's the best way to put it. I do also awesome yeah so to kind of set the stage for everything that we're going to talk about today. First off we need to know what is your Disney story in. How how did that grow over time in lead t starting your account in your see store while might Disney story like most people is I started off young with Disney? I was raised on it. I had a great grandmother who actually lived in kissed me. She would let us come. Stay at our house and go visit Disney all the time. I have always been told that I was brought there. When I was about a year old but first time I remember going probably when I was about five or six and it just Kinda grew over time then you know can get to that point where you're in middle school? You try to do the cool things. Sometimes Disney isn't cool or if you go to school with big mouths on your shirt people can look at you funny and so fortunately Kinda drop the Disney Act a little bit about round that time <hes> but then when I went to college I was trying to find myself and I went to two different universities. I ended up transferring to one here in Connecticut that was actually close to E._S._p._N.. Studios so they had an internship program with them and when I found that out as ooh this might be a great opportunity for me to you get into E._S._p._N.. For Disney and unfortunately never got that chance to have the internship program because when you go to college you kind of have to work especially be live out on your own and so internship kind of went down from there but then he just never sell off that wagon after that I just continue to like it always looking for jobs with it and as soon as my kids I had my kids kids kind of got a little bit bigger after that they love watching all the Disney movies <hes> I can't tell you how many times we watch cars or planes or now that I have my daughter. It's all the princess movies so I'm always watch snows and just getting bigger especially with having the kids in wanting them to experience the feeling that Disney has given me my whole life. Yeah that's awesome so once you had that foundational for Disney what conversations took a place where you decided that you're gonNA put yourself out there and start a shop that was probably about a year and a half ago <hes> so my name swords designs comes actually from a photography business that I also have shades of red so just took the first initials mall that to do this and it kind of if you look at my logo does have tinkerbell Knicks at Kinda made me think of Tinkerbell <hes> but we went on any family trip down to Disney for my cousin who is in a dance competition and we're like matching shirts but we don't see anything that we like. We want him to be customized. We kinda went through all that listen like well. I can do it. I have <hes> stuff at home to do. It and I was just did it for myself. And at that point I had made I think like thirteen shirts for us and it just kind of grew from their people will like designs and so my husband and I kind of one night we're at dinner as like what do you think if I make this a business if I start making shirts for people but on the level that we were looking at really make him customized people not just I send you that you know label that you can iron on yourself to your own shirt and you get that box because that happened to us one time to the ordered. Something and I don't know how to do this and you just had Arnon. We had the shirts in. It was like this big box in it. Just didn't look nice so that's GonNa wear not wanting to really customize it for people. Let me know what you're going down there four. Is it a family trip. Do you want your name on it. Do you want your kids names on it so that's kind of where we started going after that is just really making us a family run business for families. What was the reception from your husband because I think that's always interesting when somebody says this big grand the idea sharing that with someone takes a lot of courage in the reception on the other end is sometimes interesting? My husband is amazing. He follows my crazy ideas all over the place. <hes> being stay dot com you are you try to figure out ways to help out <hes> because I know for me I went from working fulltime to now being a home full time with the kids end. You just feel like you still need to help out a little bit so the ideas that I have. I always run by him because he is that <hes> sensible person. I guess I'm worth one that will go on women. Just do whatever I WANNA do. <hes> remember a new said that you like to do your excel sheets. That's what he's all about. He puts everything into exile. She runs the numbers because he's an accountant so that's what he does but he he's amazing. When it comes to my ideas what I WANNA do in it's great to have him as a sounding baseboard? I'll I'll say hey what do you think about this shirt idea or he'll come to me like I just thought of an awesome idea what you can put on her shirt so he has been instrumental to my whole business. That's also it's great to have not only way a soundboard to bouncing off of coming to you with ideas that is incredible as well. Yes and I think just similar into kind of walk through that with you because it is definitely scary starting something joining new especially you know it's it's one thing to make things for yourself in for your family but I can imagine like going through the motions of starting in a store in knowing that you're sending products out to people like strangers you. You know that's a big deal yeah. It can be a little intimidating because you wanNA make sure that you're giving them the best quality in it's one of those will would if something happened to it. Is it going to get to the person. Did it get loss along the way <hes> <unk> were the only able to wear once and then something happened to it so it's always I always try to check back in with people who buy for me. Just WanNa know hey. How's your shirt holding up when I sent out <unk> always send out instructions actions on the wash them? I feel like that's the most important thing because sometimes people don't understand that they just you know throw it in the Washer and Dryer and <hes> you WanNa make sure to care for these shirts for sure so with any project or business that you're going through. You're going to have ups and you're going to have downs but I think the most important thing is whenever you do those failures or downs or whatever you WanNa call them that you have a lesson that you take away from it. So can you share experience that you've had end of. Maybe something didn't go quite right in what you took away from that. Oh definitely I think failure is the biggest car of a business is you gotta learn from those failures and I think for me it. It was taking on too much once <hes> like I said I'd like to talk to my customers. I like to actually make them friends and I want to make sure that I'm giving them by best work at my best quality <hes> <hes> so just recently actually I probably made too many shirts at once I wanna say and all different designs. I've done the part where I've made actually twenty-one shorts for some people going on a cruise that that was not a big deal because it's all the same and it's the same pattern that's going on there the same information <hes> but once you start taking on too many shirts at once and guaranteeing them all the same you start get stressed out a little bit. And I think that happened to me. <hes> probably two three weeks ago I had I'd say eight or nine different shirts but they're all different designs so it's taking the time to cut them out of them on the shirt plan where they need go and then getting it to the customers so it was it was very long nights and not enough time with my family so I think it's great in it. Definitely you know opens up the possibility for like that growth mindset where you know I hate. I don't like the word failure really just because I feel like that's such a harsh word that I think it's good to be able to look back at things in say ooh. I should have done that differently so now looking forward. What are you trying to keep that from happening? <hes> just give people the awareness of if I have some other projects in working on I just love no hey. I have to other shirts in front of you I I. I tried to give them a timeframe like most of the time it a shirt from start to finish as if I already have a design shouldn't take more than three days <hes> but if I have to come up with design 'cause I've had actually a few people come to me recently recently am that takes a lot of time is coming up with the design so I try to be truthful with them like the shirt might take about two to three weeks to get to you because I have this in front of you or I have to make this design and I think it's all about being truthful due to both yourself and to the customer you don't WanNa lie and be like Oh. I can get this done in two days in that. You're sitting at your kitchen table at one o'clock in the morning trying to get things together. I think that's just too stressful on myself and not being truthful to the client in then you kinda get in bad standings with them. Yeah I think so many people are guilty of that. We certainly are sometimes we overbook ourselves with interviews or we set ourselves up where point where we're just not going to be able to deliver the quality that we want <hes> so I think being cognizant of that is definitely the first step in the right direction so <hes> to follow up that if Katherine you don't like the word failure down the whatever it is what has been your biggest win or discovery up to this point <hes> I think just kinda coming out of my own comfort zone <hes> just reaching out to people and introducing myself as who I am Shalin I make shirts. Are you going to Disney or are you doing something where you need some shirts <hes>. Do you like this design. I think it's just you talked to my friends. They'll tell you that I talk all the time. I'm loud. I've you know some person view it but those are for people that know me <hes> going up to someone new and putting myself out on the line like even kind of doing this is stepping out of my comfort zone just just a little bit. I don't mind talking about myself in what I do but it's just getting to that point of being comfortable in okay with it so stepping on my comfort zone I think is the biggest win because they want to reach more people in you. WanNa see what's out there air yeah and I think that's a huge part of I mean starting a business or even jumping into just the Disney community. I feel like sometimes with social media. It makes it look maybe easier than it is but it is intimidating to reach out and talk to more people and you know you want to be as authentic as you can be but putting yourself in those situations is definitely scary. Sometimes it can be because I've been reaching out to other shopowners. 'CAUSE YOU KINDA WANNA say hey. I have this idea <hes> but at the same time like I'm reaching out to another shirt company. It's sometimes hard because you don't want to be like I'm still your ideas but you're really not because we're all in this together. We all have different ideas so it's nice to reach out in have friends that are even in the same mindset as you but doing completely different things any reach out and you can talk to them and it. It just makes you feel more comfortable in this community. I say that's been probably my most valuable asset through this whole thing is I have a set of three to four other podcast hosts that I talked to so regularly we're always bouncing. Ideas is off of each other. Have you tried this out or using the service. Are you listed on this platform that has been the most incredible experience and knowledge sharing opportunity so that I think is wonderful advice to anybody getting started out find other people who are in a similar spot as you team up and it is community over competition and at that point you know you can all grow together. Definitely I think that's the best starting point for anybody. Yeah and that's that's a change in mindset to really is looking at it from you know they can be your customers or my customers in combat listen to our both of our podcast in it's not like where competing <hes> you know because if you help each other than everybody grows yes exactly so when you are looking to put different items into your shop. You know obviously a lot of what you do are customized for people in their specific trips when someone asks you for a shirt design. What does that design process look like? Where do you get your inspiration from? I have them tell me a little bit about themselves. Like what do they like. <hes> just recently one of of my brand wraps came to me she goes. I really love lying. King and I like a few of these quotes for the movie so I just put something together for her so it's just figuring out what the person likes <hes> and then I honestly took back and watch the movie <hes> most of the time. It's not that big of a deal with my kids like I said they love sitting here watching movies with May and so I try to pick out things that are a little bit unique and different <hes>. I feel that it is kind of what makes me stand out. It's not the typical shirt you're GONNA see in Disney <hes> in their Disney store so I wanna make it practical but at the same time just unique so I asked the person what about the movie what are some characters at you like and I just can't go from there in a probably put two to three different designs together for them and I will send it over them and they let me know what they like. Sometimes I'll swap they'll. It'll be like well. I like the matter like the saying on notchers. Put that together so like. I said that those are the Times that usually take for wrong. It's getting resigned together but once I have together pretty smooth sailing from there I love that I love that kind of back and forth in you know especially coming from like a teacher standpoint like there's nothing's perfect the first time so I love I mean sometimes it is in that's great but I love not being scared to have to make blake multiple drafts or to get that feedback because I think that even enhances just like the customer experience yeah it does new one have them wearing the shirt whenever they want not just when they're in the parks but when they're out how having fun are going to the movies or going out with friends so if it's something that they're gonna like than that's right on point with what I want them to do. You better be careful Catherine because your student could get this grab that soundbite the next time they ask you for corruption. They're gonNA play that say that they deserve to have the opportunity later twist my words there. Thanks for that always do that. I worked in Elementary School for two years in your like <music>. I'm never actually said those words. I know they just they know how to do. It says seamlessly so one of the themes that we get out of your shop. Is You have quite a few shirts that our theme to running in run Disney's Disney's so is running a hobby of yours and have you ever done a run Disney event kind of where does that inspiration come from. Oh you've touched a point there that my husband won't like <hes> <hes> I I do Ron. I'm not like hugely competitive but I do it every day. It's I think when great thing to stay active. I've been really pushing to do some of the runs I I have never done any of the Disney runs yet. <hes> so I'd Kinda like pushing my husband every so often we do have a big family trip to Disney <hes> for the fiftieth anniversary three and some hoping to convince everybody to go the end of October beginning November for the food and wine run and just kind of slip that in there <hes> but I that's that's on my bucket list it is I would like to do all of them. Coupley not within one year but I would like to participate in one run. Maybe once a year <hes> and I've noticed some of the charities to are are kind of true endear to my heart so that's one aspect that actually starting to look into is with running for charity and then maybe some of my shirts as well <hes> if you were to buy them putting to proceed to the charity as well. That's a great idea. Yeah I left that so yeah I just saw the new Princess won medals or themes come out for the princess run and so I'm kind of trying to come up with some ideas is for shirts for that. I think that benefits the children's Miracle Network such a good yen yes but inside of the Disney runs to there are depending on the different runs. There's a few other other charities I'd also participate in there and you can run for charity. <hes> so one that's true that's closest to me is the suicide one. They are doing their participating in the food and wine coming up and I think so that they're participating in the one beginning of the year the marathon weekend <hes> so I know there are other ones that you can raise money for and you can run along and with that that's cool. I didn't know that so one thing I wanted to cover 'cause you are of course out of state out of removed from Disneyworld like they are. You're you're Lewis further with us. But how does your shop and your account kind of keep you connected to the parks when you can't go quite as often as we would like to just getting in touch with. Other people wasn't community <hes> to my brand ups actually live down in Florida and I have a last minute trip that book just a few days ago with my friend. I'm actually going down to Disney <hes> for a quick weekend and so I contacted them <unk>. I'm going to be down there. You Guys WanNa meet up so we're GONNA meet up but I think it's just keeping in touch with people that are down there and talking to them and getting them interested in some shirts that they might have coming up and seeing what they have gone down there and just living vicariously through that that's the best part about Disney instagram. Oh yes awesome will this has been such a phone conversation. We we have had a blast learning more about your shop. In your instagram account next will jump into our fast passed around but before we do that. We're going to take a quick break in here a message from our partners whether you're an S._e.. Store owner or content creator or anything in between there is so much potential and more work to do in Pinterest and the name of the game and Pinterest is having the right photo that catches the eyes of someone scrolling. Don't fight with your camera and worry about always always trying to find the perfect match and stress out about it. You can go to report the magic dot com forward slash detour and get access to six completely free professional high-grade Disney photos use them with your content. Just try it out for a while N._C._A.. Your engagement takes up again. That's report the magic dot com forward slash detour good deal so we are back so shalem. We're going to throw out these Disney topics for our fast passed around. If you just Kinda assure the first thing that comes to your mind listeners can get to know your Disney phenom a little bit better. I have been waiting for this on ready for less time captain so I'll start it okay named the Disney parks that you have visited <hes> <hes> I've done all the parks down in Florida and I've also been out to California so out of all of those individual parks which one is your favorite in why I have to say a cut is my favorite. I just likely exploring they're going into the different worlds and seeing the different things and then honestly I find unless it's during the Flower Garden Festival is not too crazy as some of the other parks can be. I definitely agree. I think epcot is big enough for everyone can kind of spread out which is not yes yeah. It's very nice bumpkin shoulder to shoulder with people until you go into the Mitsukoshi department store in Japan. That is a madhouse. Yes Ah yes I can be so have to ask Epcot your favorite. What is your favorite country in Epcot? I'm mean I kind of have to go with Italy. That's like one of my best places that I like going to and it's it's also my heritage very cool. Yes I would love to say that I was Italian. I feel like I wish I was Italian. Sometimes it gets me into trouble. I get a little hotheaded every once in a while gadgets. Just remember keep my cool <hes> but I I love it. I love saying that I'm from Italy. I visited there a few times in it's it's a beautiful place. Maybe they'll put a Polish pavilion for you. Yeah Oh come on that rose. I was just about to say Perogie. I had a Polish roommate and she would make <unk>. They were delicious. It would be so similar to Germany. It would hurt now. I next soon would be your Disney bucket list trip. <hes> I think Paris in Hong Kong <hes> we're going to visit my brother-in-law who is stationed right now in Ottaviano Italy <hes> next year so I'm pushing for US Tino. Take a quick plane ride over the Paris for like a day Dana half a so. We'll see how that goes. It's still expensive but Paris is like surprisingly affordable aw compared to some of the other ones yes yeah. It's it's not terrible <hes> but you know we'll just have to see how will be there for about two weeks have to see what what takes us where so Hong Kong we have not heard at that very often. Is there anything in particular drowsy there. I just just the adventure of it. <HES> 'cause like you said <unk> not too many people talk about it and I just think just a whole atmosphere in the culture over there is is beautiful. The fall and you don't need a visa like you would if you go to Shanghai so that's a perk did not know that he knows all the weird little things 'cause. I took a hypothetical trip every day for us. It's always hypothetical trips. That gets you yes so the next one would be. What is your favorite Disney resort? <hes> I have to say the Caribbean Beach <hes> that's we're actually my girlfriend and I are staying when we go <hes>. I haven't stayed there yet so I'm very much looking forward to it. I always see pictures of it. Just looks wonderful Sebastian's. I they have a feeling we're GONNA try to if you know even if it's just to go into have an appetizer I think we want to try to do something over there. It's like it made a big splash. Pun intended whenever it I opened but I have not seen like a single soul saw other since I think reduced ours as well. Our trip is kind of like go by the slow. It was a last minute decision so we're Kinda. Just go in seeing what we WANNA do and have no plans unfortunately just which is weird for me. I was had the plans but this one's going to be like nope. We're just GonNa do this this day. I think that'll probably be offen- jumping different. You know I enjoy the undergoing without a plan. Sometimes yeah it makes it a little interesting so next one would be if you could only fast pass one ride for the rest of your life. Which one would it be? This is such a difficult one for me to think of <hes> kept talking to my husband about this and I think we actually both agreed the era sniff on the Arrowsmith ride <hes>. It's just it's Kinda got a little bit everything it could use a little a bit of an update but I'm also huge aerosmith fan so that doesn't really bother me too much good ride. It is a good ride. I can say like you get a little bit of butterflies. Every time you leave that pre show and your next to the cage the chain link fence and you see people start launching amazing yeah exactly Catherine. It's still like makes you nervous does know every time every time I'm like. I don't know if I really WANNA do this this auditor yeah the last time you wrote it. We were trying to figure out where the cameras and actually just posted a picture of this <hes> in we're all making like the rock and Roll Stein and we're all sticking our tongues out. 'cause we're like all right. This is where it's going to be. We're going to all the same face so it's one of the best pitchers I think from the trip that one dinosaur always has the best photo pass pictures idea. Let audience sore because every like you always get get a couple kids or a kid in your car. He's like terrified parents console them. It's okay you'll be fine so sticking sticking with rides which why do you think is due for an exit or furbish moment again talking to my husband about this on he went with smaller like right off the bat like I like small world but for me it have tomorrowland speed track the speedway. I just think even if we updated a little bit it just it's too jolie. You're trying to drive and if you go too far one way knocks you back in the place in don't think it's that exciting. I can honestly say it's been a decades Cypher then at least at least yeah we only last time because my son wasn't big enough to test tracks like all right. We'll bring you on another kind of car. I if I don't like Oh God hope never during this again so what is it about small role that your husband wants to change or get rid of just the song it always get stuck in your head. You're going thrown. You're like oh joy. I just like it because it's nice and relaxing in never has I feel like a huge line to it either so you need something cool for a minute is nice to go into the air. I agree with that. You know the next one would be what lander area brings you the most inspiration in the parks <hes> after may last trip. I feel like animal kingdom did this for me. <hes> it's kind of a funny story worry but ended up getting separated from my group for a little bit and I had no kids with <unk> and it was kind of also they went to a show and I couldn't get in because they had closed the doors Sosa cannot I'll just wait for them and I ended up sitting in the arena with nobody around me and it is Kinda sat there and took it all in in just the feeling of it all in that's GonNa win. Some juices started flying with this business says about like. Can I make a business out of this. What can I do so I think that kind of hold something special to me a good good spot? I can go on those tree of live Charles by myself and spend hours in there. Sometimes it's just nice to get away from it. I can especially imagine if you're on vacation with young kids. That would be excellent blissful. It was nice to my daughter at the time was eight months old old so someone else had her in. I was free from babies for about a half an hour and then I decided I'm GonNa do the single rider line over on Everest and that was awesome too. I didn't didn't have to worry about anything yes so the next one is our favorite because it's food related. So what is your favorite snack or go to snack. <hes> this is hard to think love. I always love the pretzels and the cheese but then someone reminded me of the buffalo blue cheese chips or animal kingdom and those definitely hit the spot where we have those last time I will say. We tried those after another. One of our guests mentioned them. I wish I could remember whose injury Sean Andrea and they mentioned them and I was like Oh my Gosh I love Buffalo. Things turned out. We really don't like blue cheese. We've known that but I forgot to say like no blue cheese when we got him in. It wasn't terrible but definitely messed up our experience yet blue cheese. Has You know a bit of a strong taste to it so if you're not a fan anna vet that mean the chips just in general are phenomenal nice little snack but we had gotten those in it was like <unk>. This is really good snack right here but you gotta be able to Lake Blue Cheese major key. The next one sticking with food was your favorite table service in favorite quick service restaurant <hes> table service. I think would have to be over at Fort Wilderness. <hes> I can't think of the name of very now I just had written down by can't find it but it's where one of the ones where they can make fun of you and do all that stuff when we were there. If you ask for catch up everybody brings you every single catch up in that place ace yes yes that is and so my son made the mistake of asking for Ketchup in at the time he's four in. He just got held up with bottles of Ketchup. It was hysterical. We were all we couldn't stop laughing for about ten minutes and then my cousin stole some ketchup trying to be all sneaky about it and they put him in jail so I think that was that was by far the best restaurant we had gone to for sitting down own Quick Service <hes> quick service I think over in the Japan providian in Epcot <hes> one day we we just went over there in got some Sushi real quick and we sat outside in. You're able to just overlook everything out there. You can see people walking around and you're just watching people in joining a little bit of Sushi and it was Kinda quiet right up there to we've never done that before which is surprising because we've recently decided that we love Sushi. It's wonderful used to be in the blue cheese camp now. It's it's yeah. We decided that it's okay to <music> yes sushi. I think if you get it from a good place is is just phenomenal and over there. They're quick service. If you get an use go sit out in the patio and you can just Kinda see everything it's nice and peaceful back there F- Although we do so that we like Sushi put Oliver Sushi's like deep fried so most Sushi people would probably scoff at our choices that is true that is true so the next couple of questions are all about your Disney favorites will start with. What is your favorite Disney movie? My Favorite Disney movie would probably have to be a little mermaid. That's what I've grown up on came out on. I was four years old and I've just loved it since then have actually passed onto my daughter she asked for all the time so fun yes so next one would be your favorite Disney quotes either from Paul himself or from any movies my favorite Disney quote. I actually put it on my kids. <hes> we have a dress up thing for them and it was by Walton it says laughter is timeless. Imagination has no age and dreams are forever. I think that's an amazing amazing quote. That is a good one yeah sort of one of his lesser known one so I like yeah. I kind of like things that are you know not so common. I mean my name's Shetland so it's not a very common name in my husband actually has the same name as you Brendan still the same way exact we and our kids names are Jameson Valley. You know kind of uncommon but not too crazy out there so let's Kinda kind of my style at like the uncommon but not too crazy yeah. I love it so the last one be your favorite Disney parks memory. This was hard because I have quite a few of I how few of them and they're all different times in my life. So I think Disney is kind of one of those things you experience at different ages in all means something different she oh <hes> so it's like I have when I was younger we went to the twenty fifth anniversary of Disney and we spent with our with our family and I think that was our last family vacation as a big group are unfortunately my brother passed away so we've never done you any family trips since I'm so it was nice to have that memory with him and our whole family being together <hes> and then you get to that point where you are old enough to go by yourself <hes> so celebrating a college graduation we went after that and just being there with friends <hes> but then most recently with my kids just experiencing it with my kids. <hes> my son was always so afraid of Santa Claus the Easter Bunny in all those things like Oh God house he gonNa do with the characters and his first character experience was Donald Duck he ran right up to him and gave him the biggest hug he had the biggest smile on his face it was it was wonderful to see that you're like okay. We don't have to worry about him screaming at every character that comes by us now. I think that's definitely our biggest fear for win. Our niece goes for the first time this fall is is like how is she going to do with characters. She be scared like we booked all these different character dining experiences so our fingers are definitely crossed positive experience meals. Ah I not right. You're like okay <hes> it is. I think that's one of the scariest thing going with a little kid who has never been there before especially if they're scared of going in sitting on Santa's lap it's like okay. How are you gonNa feel about this person but I kinda feel like maybe he had watched Mickey Mouse clubhouse so much that Kinda made it okay in his mind? Cause you know Santa they only see once a year and for what like a month normally you hear about Santa Claus when somebody's character is you're seeing them on movies regularly or on T._v.. Show so I think that Kinda is what helped us out a little bit. I'd never even shared this on the podcast but I went through slower. I was afraid of characters it. It was because Prince John From Robin Hood was wearing a hat and he was like to rough and a knocked my head off in my head goodness through a spell where I did like character so hopefully that doesn't go to our nieces. Well Yeah No. That's that's never fun. Hopefully they're a little bit nicer with her and I've always found that the characters are great another time we were at one of the dining with the characters and mistakenly I. I put our daughter on the floor <unk> as Oh Pluto. Do you mind sitting with my daughter so we can get a picture of you as like Oh this right. I not trying to be Nina. I think they go oh. I'll try poodle your dog you might getting down on all floors and my husband when I laughed but he whoever was in with Pluto when right down on all fours both my kids oh my God. That was the best thing ever 'cause. We were just all laughing about it because it was like I'm not trying to be mean but I was like they're in character. WHO DOES A dog? He doesn't really sit he gets down floors. That is funny that is I was like oh Kay really not being meeting. This is great. That was awesome. So we completed the fast fast round so Shalin are very last question for you is if you have one piece of parting guidance that you can give to someone who's looking to jump into this community either as content creator when opened up there on shop whatever it might be what is your advice to that person. I think my advice would be not be yourself. You know don't be afraid to do what you WANNA. Do put yourself out there. <hes> I mean don't be nasty about it but be unapologetically yourself <hes> and do what makes makes you happy if you know wanting. Someone tells you to do at one way but you don't want to do it. The way that you feel is best for you and just take that chance. 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Neural Network Quantization and Compression with Tijmen Blankevoort - TWIML Talk #292

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Neural Network Quantization and Compression with Tijmen Blankevoort - TWIML Talk #292

"Hello and welcome to another episode of twin. We'll talk the podcast why interview interesting people doing interesting things and machine learning and artificial l. intelligence. I'm your host sam charrington. Hey everyone sam again with another quick tuomo con update. One of the things that's been especially exciting to see is the the number of organizations sending multiple people in some cases entire teams to twelve con to learn about scaling operationalizing machine. Learning a full full third of the companies attending are sending groups in many cases three four and five people. This is awesome seeing so many teams attending as a great indicated indicate that folks really see the opportunity associated with improving efficiency of their data science and machine learning operations and are excited about the conversations will be curing at the event event. If you'd like to attend tom com with your team. Just reach out to me at sam at trauma leah dot com and let's make it happen. Of course you're welcome to reach out to me if you want to attend as an individual or just head over to tuomo con dot com slash register to sign up already. Thanks to our friends friends at qualcomm for sponsoring today show as you hear. My conversation with timing qualcomm has been actively involved in air research for well over a decade leading to advances inches in power efficient on device a._i. Through efficient neural network quantification and compression and more of course qualcomm power some of the latest and greatest android devices says with their snapdragon chips at family from this strong foundation and the mobile chipset space welcome now has the goal of scaling across devices and making it ubiquitous to learn more about what call com is up to including their research platforms and developer tools visit timmel a._i. Dot com slash qualcomm all right everyone. I am on the line with time in blunk short time in as a staff engineer at qualcomm leading the compression and quantification in research team time and welcome to this week and machine learning as great to hear great to have you on the show. I'm looking forward to our conversation and digging digging into the topic of quantification compression but before we do that i love to hear a little bit about your background yeah so so <hes> ifa backgrounds of baxter scream medics <hes> in from leading university and then i moved to artificial deadlines and amsterdam and drew my masters i i started my own company to professor. Trevelyan was being on the show before i think and after yeah quite successful so our a._i. Started with acquired by qualcomm welcome and now here already since two years now working google awesome what was your role with <hes> with cypher so basically cofounder officially the scott c._t._o. Okay did a lot of technical stuff leading the technical team and but he also did a lot of like going to different companies talking to them about there are problems so we could potentially so deep learning being on stage lots doing some sales. I mean if you'd like a small gift to do everything right so i did everything where a lot of hats absolutely absolutely absolutely yes exactly and so qualcomm now your focus has been on <hes> quantification and compression research the entire time i'm or have you done a variety of things in a couple of years yet that's me s._o. Basically two years ago when a joints a fund this topic of neural network compression in a concentration crappy interesting so i started working on that's both on the research antony application ends and then <hes> as i went team is growing and it's looking looking more and more importance so we have two years of my life have been making neural network more efficient awesome so quantification and compression what are defined for us. The this topic and <hes> are the same thing or are they different things. How do they <hes> you know. What are those terms mean. You know let's start from the top down so in general what we're talking about is deep learning in an efficient way right and so instead of having very big large networks. That's gumby room for example a cell phone. We wanna make him the smallest possible they're very efficient and very the free bauer added they are quick and fast the tetra so there's gotta ways that you can do this right you can take a network and mcgee architecture more efficient for example or or you can optimize the colonel's executes or you can develop specific hardware from making neural networks more efficient specifically what we're looking into is <hes> <hes> also of course dostal <unk> looking into all of those things and specifically might teams looking congressional authorization compression being. Let's say you take any pre between networks so network that somebody trained for tasks diamond this right and then the question like how come you more efficiently and with a question we wanna make sure that's remember. Did you have at at you've trained to sweden and if you make that one the smallest possible so the idea is remove individual weights or perhaps even better in the room from this feature maps complete neurons competes channels from networks make it more efficient and parallel to that and other ways make your number more efficient nations quantification and normally when you train network it's done in floating point do sort of means that every number is like thirty two bits value now you can look more effectively and efficiently and you have a lot less memory transfer and energy consumption if he would use less bits reach of the weights and you activate your don't know mark so the idea is that you can do your calculations in ebbets contact your whole network both ways between a bit rations and you're a lot more efficient. It's so both compression decision to skill models down. Sometimes you can do this with like a factor eighty that you're a lot lot smaller than you reasonable you start what's and now how how dependent on that <hes> that compression factor is the specific model that you're working with sort of like you. Might you mean how much you impress yeah. Absolutely yeah yeah yeah i it's it's very important what won't even start with like <hes> a finger ruining joke no compression literature that everybody always tests their models the v._g. Because architecture so inefficient that you always get these huge numbers like oh i can press my models by sector plenty or something like that those what was going to be really efficiently compressed <hes> more recently smaller mobile s. e. condos big combustion numbers. I <hes> but very frequently we've seen for example mobile do which is already a very efficient fast network can still be compressed factor too sometimes <hes> and that's not affect to bless energy that you're using our speedup surgical agency so that's quite significant and so a lot of <hes> the networks that i've heard you toss out our our <hes> our c._n._n.'s. Is that the primary place that we're focused on quantum compression or does it really spend the you know the the gamut in terms of the types of models. Yeah i think like any model run on a phone or you're gonna ruin it. Physically the clouds build like neural nets translation image models computer vision models expense invitation for all of these. It's very very important to to run them efficiently. I think the general tendency in the research compression position that they're focusing on <unk> division architecture and there's some literature arnon's transformers but it's not a very large amounts in general all of them what's driving that is that because they're starting out very inefficient or big or power-hungry or is it. Just that's what <hes> what we're using morath also. We're using a lot of fried doug if you look at deep learning learning algorithms on the phone yes there's some like nor machine translation will set dropped electrical products stepping into clouds. <hes> it's a lot of camera. Algorithms are already already phones. Nowadays think most efficiency work because of that is is in the computer vision area also look at conferences right like the biggest conferences computer vision conferences francis in those people do a lot on <unk> efficiency compression algorithms and so i think just because of the necessity of the market <hes> but slowly steadily l. wants more algorithms make their way to fish devices and people see miracle mac <hes> sequence models and models and so the impression that i'm getting from hearing you describe <hes> compression is that i may start with <hes> kind of an off the the shelf model for computer vision like a v._g. And then kind of train it to you know solve whatever problem bouma trying to solve and then put it through this compression process as opposed to starting with a compressed network and training is that correct director is the way that we're <hes> trying to get to smaller <hes> computer vision networks starting by training big networks and then compressing them and you know as an alternative. Is there a path to like just starting with the smaller network architecture and training and if not why doesn't that work water the the issues associated with with the way we approach this problem. I think that's a great question and very fundamental to kind of work. They're doing and earning general. Perhaps i am so so basically if you want to do like make efficient architecture i was i would always start with just making your smaller or or something like that right you don't you don't wanna have to twenty times to bake and say okay now. We're gonna breasted <hes> i would say if that's the case just took your architecture in some way it gets more gather more efficient architecture that <hes> but then afterwards like if you have to efficient already <unk> architecture like mobile network zone border and efficient that's it still helps lots to compress it afterwards and there. There's this <unk> theory. Let's just theoretical paper called. The lottery. Ticket hypothesis was recently published. <hes> kinda bullshit approve certain extended. You're better off like training <hes> a large network something that's like over premature is there's a lot of filters in a lot of love parameters training that first and then making a smaller afterwards and that that's that's generally better training. That's smaller building architecture from scratch <hes> so i think gern literature consensus that it's better to start with the big model and then make it smaller and and why is that what is <hes> <hes>. What is that paper. At least suggests is the reasoning for that at the baker suggests that <hes> basically <hes> you wanna find looked tickets so the lottery tickets basically a natural architecture. It's very good for your for your problem and every feature will have like shrimp ability of being a good feature to use <unk> doing training is that's <hes> you wanna find featured on initialized close to good features and those will be used and during training the rest will be like prune away or removed or seconds zero because of your regularization now the more proud after more feature metro to higher probability you have finding goes optimal features that you can find so because of that you're better off training with the large network parameters more shots find the architecture <hes> and then removing a regularizing away the smaller ones so each year for amador's is buying a lottery ticket and a network that works twelve for your problem is a a winning lottery ticket and so they're theorizing that is better to start with a winning lottery ticket and find a way to make it better <hes> than ended it is to start with <hes> a smaller network fewer shots at finding that winning lottery ticket yeah exactly it's like as if you were looking at for example example a hole in the big table and you can conveniently district goals over stable and if he won't one in the table on a minimize the distance that let's take shoot rollerball from one day to today to the all then you're better off having fifty balls from the table to pick the smallest and closest ball and putting that into so then you might have a few centimeters rather than picking one ball run the table and then you have like a very large distance so you're basically you're trying to minimize the distance between and you are optimal features which means less and so this the lottery ticket hypothesis kind of flies in the face of your previous advice which is to not start with something that's massive and and start with something. That's <hes> smaller. How do you rationalize those two perspectives yeah so i. I think it's a scale like a few started. The networks like twenty times too big for what you're eventually wants. <hes> then you get to the points where it's actually pretty difficult to create hours steph compress these networks efficiently at least experienced <unk> tools of behalf to compress networks are not very well equipped to prune eh by significant amounts which have to mention that removing parts of the network ends <hes> and then <hes> training while removing bars. It's also a very difficult task for the number to do. The look discrete optimization going on is very difficult to train networks bruneta sank time so those numbers such a big <hes> but definitely for networks through time for three times too the big for the original size training the larger size in poona dominating smaller and so how how do you know if the network is two or three times too big league or twenty times too big. I think that's trial and error <hes> so i mean one of the most basic does you can do is just stay can work that you've already designs lines and see what happens. If you remove amount channels by effector half like you reduce everything by fifty percents then removed reduces five percent or not for shanta tetra uh-huh and that's pretty good yeah of how brennan's restaurant workers yes. It's funny. I talked to a lot of people particularly <hes> folks that are are on the applied side of thing so they're not in research. They're not trying to develop new network architectures and ninety percent of the time from what they're doing is they're picking up some standard <hes> network architecture off the shelf training it and you know it kind of works and then you know they're lying. You know thumbs up. Hey we've got something that works here into product is put it in a product right and so you know granted most of the time they're not working on putting it in a phone <hes>. Let's say that you know that they they are. They've developed something that <hes> you know can look look at a <hes>. Let's say medical image and identify some kind of you know feature in that medical image you know fairly successfully on a computer peter and they want to get that onto a phone <hes> and they've you know trained it using you know something off the shelf. You know like a v._g._a. We are a resonate in what what are the specific steps that you know they would take to get from there to a model that is <hes> more efficient running on that that phone did they toss that out and start from scratch on something smaller and then optimize optimize that or do they play with it and certain kinds of ways what walk us through the way that you should approach this. I think generally those types of architectures already already quite parking fiji of course but the residents aren't up architecture generally o._d. Coefficients for their that are designed for adequate the <unk> detection for knows what you start with compression stick your model <unk> and then there's multiple algorithms you can apply <hes> thanks mike pence affects rotation algorithms decomposed like one layer multiple layers or channel pruning <unk> architectures actually removing complete channels from your network and if there's some libraries out there right <hes> papers on these topics that you can look into so apply <unk> feminism's and you can make your model two or three times smaller than than original. That's generally what we see for most applications and we as you mentioned a couple of these algorithms tensor factor duration channel pruning. Are there other major ones off. Those are like the the large degrees. I mean it really depends on what what what compression your network for right are. You compression. Latency are compressing. It's for power consumption reduction or just you just want a smaller model transferred to some device <hes> generally only fifteen looking at things like latency <unk> addiction than didn't yeah those are the major ones for compression <hes> and afterwards conversation steps is arguably even more back school and an even bigger number in terms of where we get to quantification. Let's stick with compression here. Save your <hes> compressing for latency or or power and you've got these couple of methods tensor factors ation in channel pruning <hes> are they. Are these kind of blunt tools. You're just kind of throwing at your model like you. You know go to to get hub or something in download a tensor factors ation script and you you just run it and spit something out or is this a process that you're kind of exercising some degree of care. Yes it was one of the interesting things that we're working on is to make all of these kinds algorithms work very easily out of the box so that you can just apply to any any type of elvers rights any type type of deep learning network and then without any efforts actually doing this <hes> but this is still not completely solved yet. I don't there's not really a lot of good libraries that you can just download unload use <hes> <hes> and that without any hassle compressing your network generates the process of applying these techniques your effect rising rate matrix or removed from channels with some smart algorithm and doing a lot of fine tuning and a lot of handcrafts tuning out of it and i wish it was easiest just on owning a library and applying the generates. It still takes a week or a few weeks to get this done properly. Okay so <hes> you need to understand a little bit about these these different techniques in order to actually actually apply them <hes> at this point so maybe walk us through tensor factors asian. You know when you when you're starting this process you know what is it that you're actually doing. How do you need to think about the the process sure so the dentists rotations basically <unk> decomposing your way denser into something smaller <hes> and then them in the end what you end up with is a is instead of having one layer way do just do one confucian for example or in carcass airlines won't get explication is is that she due to smaller competitions too small mixon's petitions that that's that's the general gist of it. So what do you think network then you who have to somehow decides for each of the layers your network how much you want to prune them. So how much do you want to reduce in size. There's some smart elkins for for tutoring august setting and after you've which layers you compress. It's <hes> basically a applying <unk> like very standard algorithm. Doing denser affects the relation especially for <unk> be doing singular value decomposition exactly that's it yeah basically applies <unk> position on that gets it's to smaller shipmates exists with the lower ranks <hes> and then you have two layers instead of one and after you've done that's the whole network you find units for multiple evokes walks to get back to the original accuracy. That's generally how that's done. Okay and you mentioned there are some algorithms to tell you <hes> which of the layers in your network you want to apply this to what what are those algorithms and what's the general kind of intuition behind where you want to apply this yeah so so there's a couple of i think one of the most recent ones that's interesting is called <hes> automatic model compression or a._n._c. which is from soon hans group group. It's <unk> and his hours basically applies a reinforcement learning algorithm on top of the network so dell's you basically reinforcement learning every every iteration if you value the extra senior networks excellent brushing and you enforcement agent optimizes dupree shows which layer so how much compressing each layer search that your accusations stays very high so that's like one way to do it for example and is it <hes>. Is it deep reinforcement. Learning or is it more traditional aw are al. It's like an extra critic model. It's very deep got. It got it okay pretty standards but still recent okay yeah yeah. That's one way of doing that now. Are there others that are worth knowing about. Yes why one of the things that works very well. She's looking at the senior failures if you're layer security fence or factors ation for jumble but also works very well basically looking at the residual energy has how indepth sex should go here. Let's let's do it so <hes> <hes>. Let's go deeper. Well just look at the singular values. That's that's deeper says we whip up. She'll be going so singer or like a rough indication of residual f- sir sir <hes> after blink exhortation. You're basically looking at the forbidden is norm of your your weight matrix or even better. If you're <hes> activation <hes> <hes> sort of activation so generally you data to your network you look at the <hes> the opportunity for that and then decomposed up <hes> and so you can look at the residual israel gingy to the d._v._d. Singer values given indication of that but now we're applying this to determine which of the layers of our network. We want to apply as v._p. Too i thought it it sounds killer here now. It's not really which layer so every player you'd probably want to decompose all air suits and have some redundancy in them but so more than others okay. Sometimes you have neuron declared almost didn't earn any any useful features. Sometimes you can even cookie-cutter could outliers out of the network <hes> especially residual networks that happens sometimes sir very deep so it's really want to try to figure out what the ratio which layers so for each day or how much should i reduces uses yata and so you're planning this layer by layer but in order to determine these prune ratios you need to be looking across different layers to try to get at what the redundancy is of a given layer as opposed to within layers independent of the other layers. Is that right. Yes sorta yeah so it's this guy then sometimes you can look at the list independently <hes> but it's definitely better to look somehow dead data distributions of each of the layers and your most better off starting at the start it networks putting that while i seen what has network and then doing it. It's relief lead from the start to the end of the network. Yeah okay got it <hes> <hes> okay so that's censor factories asian and then <hes> this channel pruning yeah. It's basically the same idea so <hes> except for you don't do any tation. Would you say hey which channels from a network. Can i safely remove so i mean every number two action redundance generals <hes> if if you look at standard rest next architecture from bites orch for example you'll find that says some of the layers in there it can remove hassle features and not decrease krisha performance at all <hes> number generally have channels that are useless. We're talking about channels. We're talking about the width of the network. Essentially at the day yeah yeah exactly as the input and output channels right so each residual block for example has like sixty four hundred channels and then the love those can be removed without losing any accuracy or your network and so what what are the kind of practices for determining which of those can be removed is is it kind of a most significantly significant ordering and you can just kind of draw a line somewhere and see how the network performs or do you have to look at it on channel by channel basis to see what the importance of giving panelists there just a few different indications <hes> so <hes> <hes> you can look at the the weight magnitude of each of the that say you have proven gentle and you prune. Let's say ten out of twenty eight and you can just find the ones that the the in terms of magnitudes the weights of the channels the lowest value the approved house those are generally the ones that are less less importance <hes> desam ways of calculating the sensitivity which of the input channels based on the hashim <hes> or baber goltz damage those this based on the chronic perfect so rotation. I can damage yet. It's a great paper. I melt abor from this year. Okay as it's really coupet braids definitely recommended the rates. This looks at the sensitivity function so basically you calculates d. and often those fiction and saturday which ones are more for abortions a witch hunt and unleash important when she throw away and so you're throwing away these various channels. You made a comment about you. If you wanna throw away ten out of your one twenty eight. Are you generally starting with some idea of the number of channels you wanna throw throw a and then kind of testing the you know so starting with an an idea the number then determining of the you know which do you throw away to get to that number and then testing performance and just kind of iterating you know that loop to determine what the best number is or how many you can get away with throwing away yeah. Ah basically a gas or you could approve you. Take the agency approach for example to automatically <unk> ratios are layer. You can make a dependent on the central <unk> metric that i just mentioned <hes>. There's some different ways should generally. How are you doing what you say. Let's test this out. I want to compress my model by factor factor to rights and the al not medically fines or find some way to shut the prune ratios reach of the layers such that i guess to a latency reduction of effective affected too many you and then you remove those channels making mobile smaller. It's going to be some other yeah yeah and so you mentioned that we're not quite at the point where you know we've got kind of auto compression <hes> for these networks and yet it sounds like a <hes> a very kind of iterative process that we could apply automatically to networks what what's really in in the way of doing that. That's that's a great question a thing just the literature in gracious very very recent very new <hes> <hes> <hes> we we have to figure out proper relationship between for example <hes> what what type of error do we introduce the networks <hes> when we wrestle layer earlier and if we look at at error corporates over the rest of the network right how does it does it leads to a loss at the end of the network because generally for <unk> press layer and executive figure <unk> out with a two layer and minimize the residual error. Did you gets when doing so <hes> but sometimes errors are very very essel at the end the network rights and sometimes arizona and trying to figure these things out that don't think this has been extensively done yet to really issue and so oh maybe asking you at a different way if you know let's say compute <hes> wasn't an issue and obviously it always is and that's a big part of the challenge. Let's imagine a world where compute was free. You know it sounds like what we're doing. Here is just kind of you know a big loop of loops kind of thing <hes> could be done collaboratively force it and so do we have any kind of intuition for if we started with some kind of reasonable <hes> <hes> you know reasonable defaults or something for a given class of net network like what the you know the ratio between the brute force chris compute that we would use versus the compute we would use if we took a more reason approach yeah yeah i mean it completely booth force which is be approve africa channel with fine tuned for competes e for every pruning that you do <hes> <hes>. What do you think you can create an algorithm for you. That's going to take again like a hundred million years to mend or cost you a million euros pay if <hes> if if i can have this thing running for one hundred million years in it only cost me a million euros. That sounds like a pretty good deal do very efficient welcome. No i have no idea about this question. Sorry okay no putin tuition here. Yeah i guess guessing now. I'm trying to get at like where the you know. The intuition is in this process that we just don't know how to encode verses this. Is you know what is just kind of researchers and data scientists supplying. <hes> you know rotely that the computer could do do it self and i don't feel like i fully captured like what the intuitive processes here that requires us to to manually do this yeah. I don't know yet on us so i think part b. b. B. b. automates chef for example this automatic reinforced and for some during based algorithm is marshy automated right right albeit with a refreshment running over them that that's just trying things smart way rather than having a proper understanding understanding of what it means for layer to <hes> to ask shirts in amounts of information to your your your appreciation for example or <hes> <unk> power it doesn't doesn't neural network layer or like a group of layers to have to do the job it needs to do right <hes> <music> <hes> very very going sports questions and deep learning at the moment i feel yeah i feel like deep learning there you know even before we get due to compression deep learning has a lot of unexplored issues and we're we're managing to figure it out and automate a lot of it anyway so those are that's kind of of the compression side of things and we <hes> you know. Let's let's walk food quantification in the same way so quintas -ation is is <hes> what you gave us a summary earlier essentially trying to reduce the number of bits. We're using in each of these channels right as opposed serve removing channels. Now were moving bits. Per channel is at a fair way to look at it. <hes> in the estimates you're <hes> you're reducing the amount of bits of your weight's weights network and you're doing. It's <unk> relations. So instead of link relations are flooded <unk>. Do you do relations in intakes rights and then you're <hes> like four times more energy efficient s- <hes> and it's memory transfer and you're gonna be six times more efficient when it's doing the actual calculations itself off by going from floaters floating do where do all the calculations. If you have some kind of mac area that's eight bit <hes> like in science or science or whatever then they're going to be more efficient because this is one of the most impactful things that you can do to make more efficiency on devices and you okay yeah and my sense of where things are with regard to quantum. Is that <hes> a few years ago. When when i talk to folks the think my interview with <hes> shibo sengupta very early one <hes> he was talking about his experiences at <hes> at by'due building their neural machine translation system <hes> and you know they were experimenting renting with quantification and it was a very manual process right they had to you know spend a lot of time figuring out where in their networks they wanted to apply quantification. You know how how to do without introducing too much noise all that kind of thing. My person is that you know over the span of a couple of years. We've come a long way from that <hes> and and a lot of cases the you know the infrastructure and the libraries <hes> you know on top of that infrastructure tensor flow for example <hes> you know gives us some of that stuff for free like we can flip a bit and like quantum is our our network doc <hes> and sta and achieve reasonable performances at the case and if so in a qualified way like what are you know what what's the envelope around that <hes> that qualification one does that work doesn't it work. That's actually very very <hes> interesting question. <hes> something that would be really deeply looking into oh yes so networks can be very easily. Quote is if you big. Almost all of the image nets networks even the ones that are like okay protection or some of the base network. Many of those can just be abe is gonna is your standard tools. Sometimes you have to fine tune a little bits with your braces place jason and training network jenny those those are okay and then so networks seems to have a lot of issues you can look at mobile nets for example so most of the mobile that's that's out there <hes> to <hes> even if he's three version if not easy quantites <unk> operations everything breaks you could like zero percent accuracy and sometimes we also looked at things like image the image networks right <unk> networks that do for example <hes> mike looks thinks he's style trends four or supervision mission or have these networks jeff <hes> and it's sometimes these networks uganda's eight bitcoins is no pro middle so it all works out of the box and so members dunce at all and it's very difficult to put our finger on why executives and so do we have any kind kind of intuition at all or are we still <hes> you know we've recognized that there's this this distinction between the different types of networks but but really have no idea <hes> what are why is happening so <hes> in our in our recent paper data free consultation <hes> we've investigated these issues somewhat why some number two very difficult to quantify is <hes> one of the biggest issues generally has to do with the range that you said so. Yes <hes> create some kind of compensation grits ratio. These are values. I'm going to represent with a bit said i have. Let's say now grits you have to choose like a minimum maximum right and generally everything also points in between are equidistant space and so those are values that you can represents both for your rates to interacts evasions <hes> chew stats range the minimum minimum maximum is incredibly importance for example you could have some layer of weights and those weights <hes> <hes> then determined which could be set your minimum marks of the graduation range to the exact minute marks with your weight denser nickleby one big outlier somewhere and it could ruin the representative devour for the rest of your weight's so a lot of guys viewpoints responsible in the end the weights are small and then the big one is taking the bandwidth <hes> so a lot of issues in concentration from what's the fact that you set your ranges from properly. <hes> an a second on is that while you're quantifying is that's you can sometimes crump ties in a not so smart way for example could have a bias in your cessation especially immobile nets if you have like a three filter that maps an impetus to to output if by accident <unk> all values if you're three by three filter it down <hes> than your average oath of that's general is going to be lower and your kerr look more or less than if everything was randomly flips <hes> so those are the two major jewish us when it comes to concentration. Does the the data-free quantification paper that you reference does it propose approach for addressing these issues yeah definitely definitely yes. There's multiple things that we looked into <hes> basically today to free consultation at baker was born out of this idea that <hes> many methodists. It's that's a helpless compensation. Require a lot of effort right so generally how this works is that somebody else okay changed his neural architecture to architecture and then it's easier to go on ties or do a lot of fine-tuning architecture on a lot of training with a lot of parameters etcetera now. If you wanna make sure that <hes> eibnet works can be rent everywhere. It's very important that this is just hassle free as possible if a cloud provider amman to run my my customers models and bits. I don't require of them that they're like dig other peach motivation just so that they can work more efficient models. You just want to make something that's that's basically you sent your finger and then half your networks gum right and it's like two times smaller than the newspaper and then we said like what can we do to make these in florida right incoming you do this without using any data at all so many many message use data to shut the ranges cetera and then the idea of our papers like okay. What can we do to make sure that is easiest possible. I guess we don't even have to give data the algorithm to ties it and when you say give data to it meaning the quantification happens as part of a training training loop or process or is there some other process that is being applied. Yes very often that right. It's you take under batches. You run into the network. You get some ideals. The activation ranges right that you that you get <hes> the activation rages help you informed on what you're many are. Muck setting is for denver digitizing <hes> <hes> basically bad idea a couple of hundred veterans to the algorithms figured out those ranches or even find little bits right and so so this paper proposes a way to the allied skip that avoid an approach requires that you do this with regard to data exactly yeah and <hes> so so did complete data-free parts is more fundamental exercise. It's very interesting for for for for like paper and we were able to to get really good results. Results on mobile mobile metro <unk> works with even that heart restraints in place our practice you can often just use a couple of batches and it proof proof your consultation performance <hes> but they should be algorithms. We put into baber can be used for either case. <hes> the most important part is that you don't have to do any fine tuning so this is the the difference between getting that requires is within an hour or to spend a couple of weeks with like an expert in the fields to make sure that your hours is properly and so how do the algorithms work as it multiple algorithms or is there <hes> one hour them yet a couple <hes> <hes> we gotta stitch together formica completes concentration pipeline so for the paper one of the things we do is equalization <hes> and so remember remember. These ranges thought you about right. Sometimes these outliers can cause some of the issues right. No for networks are gala your paper base ace and what you can do. You can actually move skein factors rounds in network so for <hes> for layer walden. If if you look at the upwards you can multiply that certain skating collector and then for the next layer which the which takes as inputs the outputs with the previous year with one defied scaling factor mathematically exactly the same networks network by moving skating around we can make the <hes> the general min max ranges so these these big ranches week and make them smaller <hes> such that the networks easier to guam ties so these men max ranges. Are you applying them on a <hes> a tensor by tensor basis or whereas it across the entire network yeah so there's multiple ways of doing this <hes> so depending on hartwich looking at you can do it in different ways risk generally. The two major categories that you do conservation one is that you could pretender so each layer has its own supplement marks rangers <hes> <hes> showed up that intern translates to its own option vectors when you're dwelled government's position and get the sites you can do <unk> denser or something that's more recent introduce juice <hes> by a guy called doug lucretia morty at he introduced from google introduced a channel so the each individual channel has been much wrench and that's all issues okay <hes> but presumably requiring more complex training process because did you have a lot more of these offsets to keep track of <hes> he i think the larger logic drawback offit step not all art reports sports it so he has to make sure that your heart supports and colonels were not as well as reports calculation <unk> general <hes> general ranges in middle little hardware to stop okay and why is that dependent on hardware as opposed to <hes> the training process or something else that can be <hes>. I'm taking care of in software. I mean if you run things on the c._p._u. Of course consuming everything you inefficiently but if you have like dedicated its <hes> ah for infants <hes> got it so you're doing low level operations and pushing everything down to the lows low level <hes> you know hardware <hes> hardware hardware modules for speed. You're kind of stuck with what they're able to do exactly yes yes okay okay so we had this possibility in another thing we paper aristocrats corrects for this bias that i mentioned before so sometimes because of rounding issues you have to choose either rounding or am i running down <hes> each of the factors <hes> you can kinda corrects for some bias mighty choosen doing that's. There's no reason we ducked bias correction and those together <hes> really make <hes> most of the networks at least tries mic embrace qantas okay and are there any kind of dependencies on the <hes> training approach. You're taking <hes> <hes> in terms as a of <hes>. You know things like whether you're applying dropout or like you're you're learning rate. You know if you're doing cyclic learning rates or anything like that or is this all independent of the way you train your network. I think it's completely independence so this approach stay free consultation approach <hes> in essence you can take any network <hes> you can equalize it if that's like the patriots and then device question you can always apply <hes> and that you if you better coordination performance and we without any fine tuning sort of know hyper under she just <hes>. It's like a simple a._p._i. Call just throw your modal ankle ultimate station and bam. You go contests network. It is hardware independent or are there dependencies on the hardware with this month this method not not at all so it's all pretends serpents of quantitative that we do in a paper so that's implemented in every are and every harper. Did i know off yeah. That's that's the miser sits for any any architecture and so. What kind of results did you see relative to other ways that you might quantities yes so one of the problems that you have for trump was mobilized to actually get no performance after nice conversation with like at the of light for example and we regained in our paper almost all the app foreman's so usually go from like seventy one point seven percents done two zero <hes> we go to seventy one point two percents so there's only like half a percent lauch when going through the tool to eight and of course like going from <unk> dudes in ages tremendous gain power efficiency in blatancy and to what degree it is that result generalize <hes> two other models or is <hes> <hes> is just you know just working for mobile net <hes> v to sufficiently applicable that you think it's important. I think any she'll be in paper. She gains in residual architectures multiple tasks like we'll get deductions meant segmentation <hes> so we we need because the when you equalization your network stays mathematically equivalent sorta definitely no loss. <hes> and it's gonna only help african sedation. Listen <hes> similarly for the bias correction there. There's no drawbacks. Detroit in most settings will help you rather than done. There's no no no real possibility that it's going to hurt you. She can always test it and that's in in many cases. We've seen disbarred. This helps awesome so given this paper paper which is relatively recently and some of the other things that we've discussed in terms of where the field is overall. What are you most excited about. Where you see this all going the whole model efficiency point. Thank you union yeah yeah just in terms of our ability to take these models which are getting bigger and bigger and have have them work on devices which we want to last longer and longer from the battery perspective and have user experiences that are faster and faster yeah. I think all of this stuff jeff deficiencies like key for adaptation of neural networks in many practical applications right. I think on the cellphone were always bounce by hey buy our and amount of power that you can use. Nobody wants to have the battery ranches in half now. We're right we will expect our phones to the whole day and two singles for robotics lakes and then <hes> but even for plows <hes> for the club players <hes> if you could reduce your energy that you're using by to be a tremendous decrease the energy bill that you're paying <hes> so i think a lot of her performance of algorithms restraints by in practice i mean in in practical settings <unk> is constrained by fish are so the more efficient we can make our algorithms from a competition point of view composition point of view to hide adaptations algorithms will be <hes> we we all these numbers also about like <unk> training network for example out of training network architecture squash like the shame <unk> to outputs like den jumbo jets flying back and forth alexandra tour trips or something right <hes> if you can do quanta straining training a bit so we can reduce that power consumption by the four of these things are crucial adaptation of dove deep learning and are there specific directions that that you're excited about either in your research or in the research other folks are doing that. You think are particularly promising in helping us get there yeah yeah yeah definitely what one of the trends i've been seeing the russian literature at some things from from strong hunts lab or <unk> says lap <hes> m._i._t. Not <hes> <unk> coupling the hardware and e. oppression and conservation and efficiency together so that you can like design algorithms these on deep learning algorithms specifically for hardware <hes> and then you could totally different results if you optimize your net for c._p._u. Versus if optimizing for your g._p._o. Versus if optimizing for like a d._s._p. Device for example so if you're looking at a c._p._u. Albertson because all of the calculations are essentially these architecture deep and have three by three of lucians but if you create an algorithm that optimized to the g._p._o. You generally get larger are larger. <hes> layers like five seven by seven pollution's for example surfing tickets to the really interesting trends where <hes> given the hardware that you're gonna run it on. Can we optimized the algorithm to really fishing on that. I think that's really cool cool yeah since better marriage between the hardware and that algorithms that we ask and hopefully ultimately this gets us to a point where as a model developer i have to think less about you yeah these kinds of issues and it all just kind of works for me yeah especially for four for quantification. I think that's very very much in reach as social my vision is that literally every the neural network architecture can be running a bit <hes>. I think that that's very believable and kirk guarantee. We're seeing almost logarithms are still being around in sixteen bits <hes> so getting to eight bits would be like two times more power efficient in many cases and we can ruin a lot more phones awesome awesome awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with us about <hes> what you're up to yeah. Thanks well great expanding compression conditions of bridgman working on absolutely absolutely thank you all right everyone. That's our show for today. If you like what you've heard please he's doing a favor and tell your friends about the show and if you haven't already hit that subscribe button yourself. Make sure you do so you don't miss any other great episodes. We've got in store for you you. Thanks once again to qualcomm for their sponsorship of today's episode. Check them out at twitter dot com slash qualcomm as always thanks so so much for listening and catchy next time.

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S.4 Ep. 12- "When 'Everything I Learned, I Learned From Star Trek' Goes Horribly Wrong"

The Fickle Fanboy Podcast

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S.4 Ep. 12- "When 'Everything I Learned, I Learned From Star Trek' Goes Horribly Wrong"

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No I have not after the last after the last few times I googled. told me to Google. I'll just explain it to you right, so the idea of being dummy thick means that you're like really packing a fat ass, right so. They paid David Hater to recorded dummy thick me, and he did it as solid snake. Colonel. And trying to around. But I'm dummy, thick and the CLAPHAM. My ass cheeks keeps alerting the guards. Able little insulted that you felt you had to explain dummy thick to me I. Mean I know anyone who knows me knows me. and. I'm just saying you're you're you know it's it might be a little past your past your time. You know what I mean like I. Don't know if you're hooked into the Dank me Midge of today. Well. No. Fair enough fair enough. Yeah, you shouldn't. Treat me as if I'm fucking, you know ready for my senior citizen discount and I'd just I don't know how to feel. I'm just saying man I mean 'cause like that's the thing like you didn't like earlier on before we started recording. You didn't even know what man's not hot was so. I mean. I mean you see what I'm saying like? It's not unbelievable to think you wouldn't know what dummy thick is. Have I. Ever told you that year. My favorite person besides everyone else I've ever met. I'm probably I'm not. I'm just saying like you'll. People don't realize how much we talk when the mics. Arnon but you know there, there's there's that I guess I. Mean You probably told me at one point? But as you know I mean most of the time, especially, even on the show. I just stopped listening to you eventually. You know what I mean. Eventually is in like thirty seconds or so I'm sorry what? You're impossible to underestimate right. Man, but today's going to be. Today's going to be fun and. I mean I. Know this is slightly off the cuff. I mean old, totally unplanned, and hopefully we'll be able to make it last longer than the Star Trek animated series lasted. But Oh That actually the star, trek new self. Is, kind of. Our topic of the day or better yet. Everything I've learned. I've learned to explore from star and here to sing. The theme song for this segment is lounge singer legend Bobby Martinez. before. Learned Brown star. You wouldn't believe. Staw. You Very Much Ladies and gentlemen I have been bogging Martini. Makes you take your waiters good night? Wait! Hold on, so you're saying everything you've learned. You've learned from Star Trek or everything. You've learned from Star Trek. Everything I've learned. I've learned from surgery and I know. I said the same thing. You know a couple of seasons ago about Simpson's but. In. GotTa keep this Shit I'm just I'm just I'm just I wanted to understand like 'cause like as thing. I've learned plenty of things from watching Star Trek for example. The exact range of William Shatner, I've learned from watching. Star Trek, which is not very large, does not have a large range it. That didn't take very long to a not at all. In fact, that is the main thing I think we can take away from this episode. So until next time folks, you can find me at all on. Hold on hold on. We're not quite there yet. I mean I'm wrong. We're close. Just want preface this. Okay, because I am not the biggest star. Trek Fan in the world. I recognize the importance of the show. And if it's on all, watch it, but I'm not the Kinda guy that's like pursues it out like I haven't seen anything of this new series of the put out discovery. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen anything any of that yet. It's good is good I mean. W wrong I Mitt me one of the few that actually believe that, but in my opinion, it's pretty damn good. Well I just I can't wait until they have the card one well, I just don't have the like I don't have the the time to be honest with you, 'cause. It's like I'm very specific in the shows that I sit down and watch today. Yeah, like for example I'm I'm really into Mister Robot. I'm really into to preacher. And that's about it as far as shows that are currently running other than like you know shit like Rick and Morty and stuff you don't I mean. But those are different type of show. You know what I mean, but like the main issue that I have with that type of format is a lot of the episodes. End Up, feeling like padding. Basically, okay, yeah, I see like like okay so I tried like back in the day I. Think this was around. The time of the second season had just been released on like blue. Randy beginning. Of Arrow. Yes. And it took me a long time to get through season one because there's twenty two episodes on their man, and each one is forty minutes long. Yeah, yeah, you know and like like that's fine. When you're watching it on a weekly basis, you know what I mean. But if you're trying to binge that shit like like as you would when you have the show on deviating. It gets to be a chore and you see Everything. fucking just like and when you watch it all in one, go like that. It really starts to feel like padding. See I. Don't believe I actually have had a show that I could watch your week after week after week. Rather than just you know coming across one that I'm like. You know what this has been out for like five seasons at Don. Net flicks or where the fog I find it. Yeah, and I is Benjamin I. Don't I don't think I've seen a show or come across? The show were I felt that I could follow it weeks on end for probably about a decade, if not one like I'll give you a prime example, so like supernatural. I watched me, and my dad watched supernatural season one through five. And Though all those seasons are twenty two episodes apiece right. Which is fine because we would watch it on a weekly basis we dvr, and then we'd watch it. But like. Catching up on that and watching it like re- watching it. It's amazing. How much how old the monster of the week type of format gets. It'd be different if there was like ten episodes per season. But where there's twenty two. It's like it really starts to feel like they're running out of ideas pretty quickly, and because of that it just ends up being like a chore to get through. And I don't I. Don't mind sitcoms that have that many episodes. Because you. You know sitcoms without commercials. They're twenty minutes. But, like if forty minutes or forty five minutes or even fifty minutes if it's a quote, unquote extended episode. That gets to be a lot. Man I I can. I can barely take H. B. O. shows without commercials that go on for an hour and episode, but the reason that I'm able to do. It is because there's only ten to thirteen episodes a season. Sometimes more if it's like a finale a final seasons, sometimes they'll add a couple more episodes to just really liked. Put a a good end to the story like breaking bad's final season. Is You know even though they split it up. It's it's A. It's a total of sixteen episodes. But. It was worth it after four years of some of the most invigorating television. I've ever seen in my life. We should probably get you know I. It's I, think you know one of the things I've learned is that it's important to beam down and explore other topic. Sometimes you know what I mean. There you go I've related our our complete digression to the actual conversation. Good jobs go. You, you can find rap jazz under store array. Oh. Ok Okay. But One thing I've learned. Because I mean I've I've been watching star Trek for as long as I can fucking remember and Yeah I. Mean You were there when it premiered right? You, my friend are mean, TNG. Oh okay! Yes, I! Thought you were talking about the original and I was no. I mean Tian Jia. To ask you harbor, hell, you 'cause I mean. Let's let's be completely honest. Man TNG is the superior show in in the comparison of the two true. There's you know what I mean like I'm not I'm not I'm not downplaying the original star Trek. I think it's very important, but as far as like the way that the story structures go and like I episode episode base. Yes, I mean granted you have some. You have some iconic episodes like arena and stuff like that, but I mean you know just. TNG was just all around better show, yeah? I mean take a season one episode five. No one has gone before. The crew meets a mysterious man known only as the traveler. Travel But his purpose on the ship is to examine its engineering. And increase the warp core power so that they can reach an explorer. Farther than any other starship. You know they can go to. The universe that Ev- been yet to be discovered. But unbeknownst to the crew, the traveler. Also possesses the ability to propel shit through space and time. During the course of his experiments, he actually inadvertently I'll be. Propels the enterprise. Two point seven million light years away. So in that Gypsum Shit. When they just look around and go where the fuck are we? Data calculates at maximum warp speed. It would actually take them at least two hundred years. If not longer to return to civilization. Yeah, meanwhile in that time. fucking traveler. Falls ill and can't even send them back, so he ends up just being seen by most or at least by me. As a real dick. You can have that in common with him, but. A little bit of iggy pop. But because of all this. First on my list of what I've learned from the show because. I'm not going to go through everything, but. We know there's only so many so many minutes A. DWINDLED DOWN TO. Guess you could say my favorite lessons if you will. In this one moment. You really kind of begin to realize in life that sometimes, if not always. There are no shortcuts to greatness. No matter how battle you want them. Yeah I. I could agree with that to be honest with the I i. You know because if you look at what they've accomplished. They're not military. You know what I mean it's. It's literally an explorers. Vessel Yeah. They're just the same as Columbus sailing for fucking the the West indies. And ending up in America in Our Name in. And it's the same idea. And that's one thing that I personally have learned. From not just star Trek, but just the whole, the whole format of just going to strange places. You know what I mean the importance of exploring. The importance of. The quest for knowledge I. Guess would be the best way to put it. And that that's affected me for not not just in going places, but also in just the pursuit of you know like for example. In Political Shit Right. Whenever whenever there's a political issue. I. Always make sure that I. Stay on stay in the middle of of the argument. And do research and listen to both sides you what I mean yeah. And and because of you know it's, it's the same thing. 'cause like the federation. Looking for war they they. They're not the type of people that fire you know I. They're the type of people that only fire in defense. Very similar to like the. Let's really piss off every nerd out there and just say that you know the star. The Federation of Star Trek is a lot like the jet is. Sounds pretty accurate to me, so anyone who wants to disagree with you? Fuck. What I'm saying is the Djeddai not the seth, but the jet I. Would never instigate a battle. They're very similar to like martial artists right. Arts is not meant for offense. It's meant I. I mean granted. There are people that use. There are people that use it in the wrong way, something like the fifth, or what have you? But like that's what I'm saying like the Federation is that same idea? Whenever they encounter new species. They determine if they're hostile. But the only attacked when provoked. You know what I mean and like that that's that's the whole thing it's. It's because they're just looking to gain knowledge. They're not looking to gain enemies. They're looking to gain knowledge. And not to mention that there's the whole basis of logic with spock. Like the the importance of thinking things thinking about things from a logical perspective, and not an emotional perspective over you know and like that's the whole Vulcan race. Yeah so I I just I think there's a lot of of of core values that kind of get lost in the background when it comes to Star Trek. Of course yeah, and like I can only imagine like when it first premiered. Because I mean obviously, I wasn't there. But I can only imagine how. Amazed people were from watching it because like leading up to it, there was nothing like it except for like movies like fantastic planet or whatever or Forbidden Planet. Sorry I I know I'm kind of rambling here, but isn't that what we do on this show about half the time more? Yeah, but I'm just saying that amazing moment where you see the enterprise flying through space. And then they beamed down to a planet, and they explore that planet. It's just it's. It had to have been fucking incredible for certain people I would assume because like I I'm sure I'm sure with every new. Star Trek show. That happens I guarantee. Some young kid is watching discovery from the first time even though I I haven't seen any of it I. Guarantee there some young kid out there. WHO's watching it and it was just being blown away. I would almost guaranteed I mean I'll be like my whole thing is like my dad would watch it when I was growing up. But. It wasn't the main thing we would watch together. As far as Sifi oriented shows that we would really watch together. We mainly watch stargate. She won together. I'm sorry. I enjoyed that show man. I mean it's like you like seriously dicit all you want, but as far as sci fi shows like that. There are way worse you could do. Maybe not to me, but I can't fault you if it was enjoyable to you and shit now because like I. Hold were you I mean fuck man? I was nine ten that explained, but yeah, but like that, but like that's the thing my dad loved it to. You know what I mean. And it was funny, because it wasn't until years later that my dad discovered firefly. That show firefly's grape, and so is in so serenity oh yeah I mean dumb. Roy is not a perfect movie, but you know I would. It's an it's a solid four out of five at least not perfect, but there's there's there's a there's too many things I have as far as issues wise to me. A perfect film does not exist. There are some obviously that close, but yet. No, there's nothing that I could look at and go. That was perfect from beginning to end. To be perfect, a normal and just words. I, don't know maybe if nothing I can think of a movie like a few movies that are really damn close to that. Okay, but close. Io The they I would assume. They don't get their. They don't cross the finish line. Maybe say so man. I don't know but moving on. What else have you learned? Bigotry and racism. Is fucking stupid. No Shit. And with just put it out there. If you need showed, teach you that you've got way too many problems that I wanNA. Fuck can go into in the span of the show I. Mean Let's be. Let's be completely honest. Bigotry and racism. Are Not inherent. It's not part of your DNA. It's something that's taught to you. Yeah, and if you if you have scom fuck parents. Say Oh. We'll don't associate with that kid because of the color of skin or you know this that the religion. Yeah, noteworthy, exactly disability. Whatever then I mean I think it's pretty awesome that you know you learn that you can learn that from something like Star Trek. Like in all honesty if your parents aren't going to teach you that judging people like that is fucking dumb, then yeah. Hopefully you'd learn it somewhere out of the houses. Well list. Time goes on That's did depending on your life experiences. Maybe not, but at least at least we have star Trek to fall back on when it comes to learning this Kinda Shit because star trek is probably. One of the best shows that one can go to. When trying to find something on TV that approaches. Issues of the day in an enjoyable way while not being Seto Day. Yes. But still gets the fucking point across. Yeah, for sure. One episode that comes to mind is let that be your last battlefield. And the story revolves around the fight between two different races. whose complete conflict is based entirely upon which side of their face is painted black, and which side of the face is painted white? Granted, it's yes, it's obviously paint, but story wise. It's the fucking cold skin. But but that's it. That is their full argument in that. Is that our complete disagreement with each other yeah? And to Kurkin friends. It makes no fucking difference in you know at times. They can't fucking tell the difference. But to the. That's a little bit racist. Look the same. True. But you know what I mean. What they might as well just have like Kirk, walking over to sue low and just being like. Hey Sulu. Is Some Ting Wong here. You. I don't think we're GONNA make. Hundred. We're GONNA make over that Ridge. Are We sent our I? Think we too low. And you. Have you ever have you ever seen that that clip of the news reporter? There's a there's a news clip right of It was like this. This Asian airline went down. And some fucking guys on four Chan. Called this local news station. And gave a fake list of names. Have new information now. Also on the plane crash Katie was just learned the names of the four pilots who were on board the flight they are Captain Sum Ting. Wong. We too low, only Phuc and Bang Bang Al.. Right. It's what are the most classic pocket clips ever. Put. I mean. Yes if you look at the episode I guess it really dawned on me Oma out today. I mean. That's. It's talking about. It's talking about the unintentional racism while trying to be an ally, right? It's sort of like what get out was trying to put forward. With the whole. I would have a bomb. I would have voted for Obama third time if I could've you know what I mean. Like like that the whole thing except you know, they can't tell the difference which. But just because the crew can't tell the difference, or whatever the Faulk, just because it doesn't matter to them. That doesn't mean that it doesn't matter to the inhabitants. In because it matters so much to them. You know usually in next generation whatever the predicament was in the episode. Usually within most a two parter. It was tied up in a nice little bow and everything was Hunky Dory until they went on to the next episode? Yeah, well in this case. It actually results in nuclear war. In all out destruction of an entire frigging planet, no matter how hard Kirk tries to calm the situation. That is absolutely nothing fun. It's kind of. It's kind of interesting. If you think about it that way, though 'cause it kind of reflects a the conflict between Israel and Palestine. And Palestine and just about. Well because the. Countries that you could look at you know. The whole idea is is which side of their faces painted right? I was that any different than which which religion they subscribed to. It's my exactly so it's kind of interesting because it has you know it, it could be a metaphor for many different things. That's pretty fucking genius their roddenberry. Yes, it is. We. Roddenberry was never short. On being able to teach you. Any number of things he really was, he really was. He was up there with Rod serling. Because if you look at if you look at Rod, sterling's episodes of the twilight zone, they always had a moral lesson. And like okay. Even if it's like that's the thing that he was very much rod serling twilight zone episodes are very much like parables. In, maybe maybe if we ever do this again, because we we've already done. Everything I learned I learned on evergreen terrace so. The fact that we may do and everything I ever learned I learned from the twilight zone. Is Not completely. If if we do do that, that'd be awesome because you know. I have the entire fucking series on BLU ray. Which I'll tell you. What man you WanNa talk about something that never gets old. Watching, old twilight zone episode. The there's several old shows that I could probably say the same about but I I can see that when it comes I'm just I'm just saying to. Just sitting down like there's a reason sci-fi. Does that every you know every New Year's. They do the twilight zone marathon. Because I'm willing to sit down and watch that watch the same episodes once a year all day I. don't care you know what I mean yeah. And like because of that. It just really is a testament to how great those shows are, where they still hold up like that, and even though it's a product of its time. It still holds up. But like going back to what I was saying, though Rod Sterling he always. Had you know a lesson that he would sneak in there that? If you're really paying attention, you can find yeah. And you couldn't, you couldn't really find that. In the other ones. You know the other writers. Like William Matheson right yeah. He did one of my favorite ones, which is time enough at last? With Burgess Meredith. Yes, about the guy who goes down to the ball to read, and then a fucking bomb goes off and he finally has all the time in the world to to read whatever book he wants, but then his glasses break. There is. Moral lesson there. It's just saying don't forget to have a second pair of glasses. But like Rod, serling right the one the one episode I forget what it's called, but the episode about the kid named Billy. And he has the he has those powers, and like the adulterer afraid of him. There's a very clear message there, and that's do not mistreat children. You know what I mean yeah. And that's and that's. That's a moral lesson. Right there like don't be addictive. Fuck and kids intern I made. And at the same time. Gene Roddenberry is able to do that even more so under the radar I'm not saying that he's better than Rod. Star Rod. serling because nobody's better than rod surly. But. What I'm saying is like he kind of it's more of a stealth attack with roddenberry. Yeah okay. I mean in actually in my opinion, that does make him better than sterling, just because I kind of liked the fact that at least some of if not most of the lessons. Aren't right up on your face the sometimes that. Leave it up to interpretation which doesn't always engrave well. We'll think about it though because it's so hidden. There's potential for it to be misinterpreted. Like I said it's. It's left up to interpretation which again. For example! Someone could look at that episode of you know the people with the different colored faces. Did they say see see what happens when the colored people get involved nuclear war. You know what I mean like. They could take that away from it because the meeting is pretty hidden, you know what I mean Yeah Hutch so that's the danger zone yet. Yeah, enter into because there's nothing worse than when work is completely misinterpreted because that's how John Lennon got shot. You know what I mean. Yeah. I mean in a way would still help the rest of society with the way it is population control. Helpless all to know who to avoid. You know who you should put on a little desert island and then bombed the fuck out of the Ireland. I don't think he should bomb it I think you should just like. Put a fence around it and sort of treat it like an exhibit at the zoo where people can just like dry by on a boat and Gawk at them. Like. How great would it be? How funny would it be? We just put Alex Jones on an island and like like every week we drop like a supply Crato I'm very similar to what they were dropping to kids in. Afghanistan, the during the war on terror, you know little yellow food packages, and then little yellow bombs. And then you're you're. They're playing survivor the real game. But like you drop Michael, bums, cheeseburgers and cocaine nine even cocaine because I I don't think he uses coke to be honest with you. I think it's just because like Alex. Jones is a fucking character. It's very obvious you know what I mean. No, one's that no one. Is that over the top, but like he's. Well he's he's so. I think he's so deep into the character. He sort of become it sorta like you know Sasha. Burn comb when he plays Borat yeah, like he little became the Jim Carey when he played Kaufman yeah, but I mean full on like the the scary type of method acting in. And like I think that's what Alex Jones has gotten to at this point, so for example that appearance that he was on on Rogan. Just recently, where he's talking to Bravo about keeping babies alive and stuff like that. and. He's just fucking freaking out, and he just like your book again I'm. I'm a bucket. You know what? and He's like threatening Eddie Bravo. That's what we do. We put them on an island. We put a big fenced off area like bulletproof glass around him and bulletproof glass. He can't escape like you know like a big dumb guerrilla. Saying we do it like that. You know I like I. Don't like you know. You know. Singling out people and you know bigotry and racism just wishing ill-will just about anybody fucking world. Although, I still say. That's the problem. That's the problem that you have with Obama. He's coming in here. Okay. I let me tell you. There are dozens of photos of Obama indoors all seasons with lies all over no windows open. Hillary repeatedly. I've heard from several people that she's demon possessed. They're saying they're nightmares. They're scared of this woman. You know violence against anybody is fucking wrong and yet in some cases it's. I suppose it's fucking needed. I mean honestly I'm Kinda, retarded. Okay I don't know man. Like I. Alex Jones to me is he's a? He's just a dumpy Shithead who looks like? He's filled with soup and he is so entertaining to watch. He, he's just he's like that's the thing. It's because he gets so invested in, and it's just so funny because it's like. How can you even believe the own bullshit? That's coming out of your mouth. But I mean it's just baffling to me. I agreed with you right up Dole. You said entertaining to watch. He is one hundred percent entertaining to watch. They were able to take the fucking dumb shit that he says and turn it into an indie folk song. That was incredible. It's brilliant for a list that starts with bigotry and racism was fucking wrong. This whole damn episode has already gone to a horrible place Dory folks, we will let you know where to send hate mail to at the end of the episode Reverend, guests. Anyone exactly but. Speaking Alex Jones in some of the ship that he says. Is a nice segue in its own fucking warped way. To the next thing that I learned. Never judge a book by its cover. Which lab please. I'm sorry after talking about Alex Jones the fact that that was the next on. My list is just fucking hilarious. Okay. In an episode from the original series, the devil in the dark. It featured the idea that things aren't always what they appear. And that people shouldn't rush to judgment. One example within the episode is actually the Horta of Janus. Believe five or six. Since it's been a long time since all the fucking episode, but. kirks crew. Hopes hunt down this growth test albeit grotesquely low budget rock like 'em slug like creature which I don't know how they get rock like and slug lake in the same for convincing, but they found a way. They saw picture of Alex Jones. Sounds about right. They hunted it down. So could destroy it after it killed several people. But in the end as you do. You know. Sometime Time, but in the end. It actually turned out that the Horta is extremely intelligent and actually. Fairly sensitive creature that was driven into a murderous rage, because some of those that were hoping Kirk. In his little band of merry men in order to find the creature. Had At least unwittingly slaughtered thousands of the. Gung, which I don't know how the hell you kill thousands of children of any race or or creature unwittingly. But. That's their story and they were sticking to it. There's a really uncomfortable. Hitler joke here but I'm not. GonNa make it. Own and I'm sure that some listening to this probably thank you I mean it's not like we haven't made other Lillard jokes. So I guess You know if anything. Another thing that this whole damned episode taught me. Is that even? No no, But even the young, dumb and ugly do shit for a reason. Right restroom. I agree no. I was saying that because you're Gong Dome and ugly. But Anyway All right well, at least you admit, at least you finally admit your fucking boomer. Okay listen. You're calling me young. Yeah, just because I'm older than you, which is hard to be? Doesn't mean I'm fucking boomer. The statistics speak for themselves can suck my. You can suck my statistic about then. You, my friend are a pizza. Burn on the roof of the world's mouth. You are shit. Stain on the underpants of society you know. Take fucking hat off and put a condom on your head, because if you're going to act like a Dick, you better dress like one, too. That's funny. You think I wear condoms. From what I've heard from Several several others. You don't and I'll tell you right now. All those guys are pissed about no. No, no, no everyone has aids. AIDS AIDS AIDS. Folk! AIDS, my brother, AIDS my uncle and my cousin, and my best friend, the gays in streets and the whites and the spades. This show has gone to a really uncomfortable place. My dog'll. Has, got it and so do you come on everybody? We got quilting to do. Get Out, but one of the things that all those poor bastards learn other than you know the you don't wear a fucking condom. Is. That's what Star Trek taught me. Never wear a condom when James T. Kirk was banging. All those alien girls not once. Did you see a rubber wrapper on the floor? Well, your fair enough but. Do. You think he space condom. He said Phaser to stun I doubt it. Said by Fazer to come. It was probably set to pulverize every damn time. Oh, what do you Andrew dice clay all of a sudden? Little Miss set on a tough eating a way. Came A spidey set dom besides survey. Hey! Bo. Things that I've learned from Star Trek is. Don't take strange animals home. I thought you learned from taking home amy. Schumer. Close your legs, but. This. Lesson is no more obvious than the infamous trouble with triples. A hurl brings in adorable. Triple back to the ship were quickly reproduces thousands of offspring, nearly overrunning the whole fucking place and causing all sorts of factory ARY. So this proves that when you do come across a cute cuddly stray. That one. That's a roaming the neighborhood foaming at the mouth. Don't talk and take them home. All that will do was allowed them to shit all over the place. pissing your cereal and Plano just fuck everything up in the house. Do you think the James t? Kirk ever used a triple is like a flashlight. I hope so I mean 'cause fucked every other alien race in that show. I would like to think that he did. I mean I don't know I would. Of course you would. But if you haven't learned your lesson on this one folks. Take me for example I mean look what happened when I brought a straight home. He's now worth talking co host. I got no response to them. I win as that's what we call thinking on the fly, which I learned from Star Trek because they flew all over the place. I'm trying to contribute something to this episode. That's all which is one of the reasons why I love taking every opportunity to give you a little bit of Shit because I figured. You know what I can't tell you from the shots, especially some of the eight shots that you take. But it also gives you a chance to fucking say anything you want. There you go. But on with the show. Do. You think that like like like you know. How like spock's ears are pointy? Yes. Do you think they're sharp. Wouldn't assume so. What if he like what? What if they are? What if like a fucking like like? Basically like if they're like bowls horns, right? Like like that'd be. That'd be cool. You think his ears, the only son this point. No. I. Think is balls or like in the shape like a trapezoid or something. Like his, his his scrotum is is not round. It's the shape of a trapezoid. Considering. This was supposed to be about things that I learned listen. I. Don't think there's any walk of life that we have not offended I mean we're we're. We're working on it. Won't get there. If you haven't been offended by something, we've said so far. We'll get to you. Don't worry. there. A. Year old. Yes. That should do. That I think that that would really get because not only have. We offended people who hate Hitler, but we've also offended people who really like. All like. All like two of them, you know. I mean that didn't do the job this next one. Will I think? Because the next list is never ever ever ever ever ever date artificial intelligence. I mean here's it's seems to go without saying it's weird, though because I mean nowadays, Okay Lake with the thing with like real dolls That weird, fucking dude, who's always featured in documentaries when they're talking about real dolls and people who have a relationship with their real doll. Like that guy right there. I, don't think he has any choice, but to date artificial intelligence I mean. I'm just saying. I mean like like the guy is the guy is is. Apparently repulsive to every woman on the planet like he's apparently tried to date and always failed right. And he has such unrealistic standards for himself. He expects like the blonde bombshell like he expects to be fucking like Taylor Swift. You know what I mean like. Those guys are just have like realistic expectations like the kind of guys who are just like listen man I, know I'm fucking three hundred and fifty pounds, but God damn and. Have, a fucking hundred and ten pound, big, titty, blonde woman I mean like a situation like that with that guy is. He doesn't have a choice really because no woman is GonNa WanNa be with him. Because he doesn't care about himself enough to make himself at least a little bit attractive or even have a personality that could be attractive. Because like, that's the thing like you and I. We're not lookers. No so I! Mean you know unless you're talking about? Ma Ma. Doing around God, they've escaped from the freak show, but yeah, but like. Okay let's Latte right so but like that's the thing. We have a personality. We have a sense of humor. We have great conversational skills stuff like that, but like that's the thing someone like a fucking in cell who just views women as sex objects, which is pretty ironic considering they've never had sex. there. They really don't have a choice but to date someone who has programmed to actually love their shit personality and their shit looks but. You don't this one in particular though. In all fairness in all seriousness. It really should be something that kind of goes without saying in yet JORDY and Reicher on separate occasions. Ended up falling for a fake pair of tits that were attached to a woman whose existence was just as fake as fucking sweater meet. and. Always ended up in heartbreak and the likely deletion of a holiday program which all have to say about that is. Those lucky bastards! They were able to delete what the REX's. How many of us really wish we could have done that I? mean. I don't have to worry about deleting I. mean the shovel in the lion. We'll do that job for me. I'm talking. I don't think you really have to explain that I'm talking about disposing of an ex girlfriend's body. If. You don't WanNa. Be Like Reverend Jess. In this world, where everyone is just as fake as a holiday deck program, please. Try to find yourself a real person to slip low key big hog right into all right and if she breaks up with you. Learned that gets the last person who wasn't offended by this episode. Your own. Pretty. Sure you're right on that one. Oh, did I mentioned that suicide is not a big deal. You know if anything it should be encouraged. There, we go that one, did it. That one did okay. I'm I'M I. I just for the listeners, these are jokes I don't mean anything I say on this podcast especially when I say that I enjoy being RPM CO host. And I don't mean a day I'm putting saying this podcast even when I. Say I enjoy Reverend Justice Company. I love this we're. We're talking about something wholesome like all the Nice things we learned from Star Trek and we're just is become a quest to offend each other this is. The last one was everything I learned I learned from Evergreen Terrace. This is going to be when everything I learned from star. Trek goes horribly wrong. Oh. Guess what did I. Tell You guys. Are PM is Republican. Oh fuck you. Too Far. Oh, you sort of a bitch! He's facilitate. He told me he wanted to come to Kentucky to meet Mitch McConnell. I mean listen. And shake his hand and embrace him in a warm hug. fucking bear hug and say Mr McConnell. You're my hero of all things that you've ever said to be on and off the show. Pretty, Long. List but Yeah. This might be the most offensive thing that you've ever hurled at me. Do you know what do you know what Rpm told me that get out is about. He's he said. It's a great movie. About how black people are no? Me What the Fuck Dude. What did I do? And once again as always. A man that proves that the sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind. and. Along with me, 'cause just can't shake him. Say Hello Fucker. The man who the only way that he can get laid is to crawl, but chickens asked wait. Reverend, JESS RPM finance the sonic movie. You know reverend just once said that the reason he moved down to. Kentucky is just so he could be closer to quote. He is people. And he wouldn't talk about his family. I was talking about the neo talking about the neo confederates that are to fucking cities over. That's true. Look out the southern poverty law center's website there. There's eight bap for like various AAC. Groups of their headquarters at like two towns over for mine is neo confederates. I'm not even joking. It's just a true fact. We live in two extremely fucked up state, and sadly the not even the most fucked up states. In the US deal, but Yeah, they're definitely. If I was to make a top ten list of Penn State, the need to be cornered off in fenced off from the rest of the world. Yeah. Let me just plan out for the record. RPM is not the monster that I that I made him out to be. However, I will share an interesting story. One time RPM took a trip out to Africa. And he found. An African. sweatshop. And he noticed that they weren't getting paid. It was literally a sweatshop, but like it was like slavery. It was like four slavery, so he decided that he was going to put an end to that slavery. He announces he's like I'm ending this slavery. I'm adopting all these kids. And, then he immediately put the slavery back into effect because he wanted to see the hope. Die from their is and You know long story short. Now. We have our own T. shirt store online available at Selma. Shirts are available. The fickle fan boy podcast that semi tease, Dot Com, and if you press some real close to your heart, you can feel the tears. Actually, you don't even have to person that close. Shut address the Tony Bridgeton pre drenched yes. There shifted a ziplock bag. You know we we didn't try in. Washington before we send them. The just how they are yeah, RPM also has a collection of used cue tips from Joseph Stalin I asked him why he had that. He said because these this earwax contains the suffering of millions of Russian peasants and that gets me hard. The other day he told me I called him I I'm like hey, bud, what are you doing? He's just like. I just I was watching this documentary and it was about euthanasia and I was like. Why are you watching a documentary about euthanasia? That seems very depressing. Hey, says why couldn't even finish it. And I said why he goes I was coming so hard. My glasses fell off. May your balls fester and falloff. was that one too far. Oh! They're all too far there all. This this whole section of the episode just could be one continuous bleep. I mean ever the last several things that you said I called you, but you have neither the world, nor the depth, and then I'd have to apologize to all the comes out there. Yeah, you're right. You GotTa that that was pretty good. You're living proof. That man can't live without a brain. No I'm living proof. That man can live without a conscious. Yeah Yeah Fair Enough Fair enough. You know and I know that we've weird way out of even the realm of the fucking road that we were on, but you'll have to forgive us. I mean sometimes reverend. Jesse gets lost in thought. Unfamiliar Territory for. It's like the forbidden forest in the first Harry Potter movie. You know there's a lot of shit. They're centaurs in their haggard brothers in there there's a unicorn that's being drained of its blood by voldemort. Stuff here. You know I was actually surprised that you went and moved to Kentucky I mean. I didn't think you'd want to be that close to nature after what it did he. Sometimes. You got to confront your demons. It's exposure. Therapy is what it is. I don't know about. Demons was talking about the time that you got raped by the bear, but you know whatever I mean in all honesty. Gary's Great. He really is. He's a really nice guy so away. You were talking about about like the Animal Bear Okay Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, that one that one wasn't nearly as fun. No No. Could. You couldn't sit down for like least two or three weeks. I mean it was it was unfortunate. He kept me in a bear. Hug The whole time, so I couldn't sit down if I tried. Thank God we're not on a network we would. We would've been find out the ASS. Like if we were on like NBC or something, you know what I mean. But the next one will list is. Embrace everything about who you are. Something that the guests does too extreme. But in I believe it's called the enemy within. A transporter actually malfunctions and completely folks everything up and splits Kirk into. One version of himself being almost sickeningly good. In the other one delicious ago. Okay Yeah. Yeah I mean, but in the context of the episode. He's supposed to be evil. Yeah Yeah. But while it's clear that the evil Kirk is full of unrestrained aggression, desire and many other, supposedly negative emotions. It also becomes obvious that without these things within him. The so-called Good Kirk. Is just a week Pansy ass, bastard, who is completely indecisive and simply unable to function as a human being, let alone a commander of starship. So in the end. The only way to fix anything. is by reuniting to avs to make kirk whole again. so that he can embrace. Who He is on both sides of the coin, so to speak, and thus we see the duality of man. In anyone who looks at your face concede the duality of man. As well as its fault, the next thing on the list of the countless unmistakable, an invaluable things that I learned from the show. Is. There is no such thing as he no win scenario. Yeah. The Meru is bullshit because if there was. The Borg, who can almost immediately? And simultaneously throughout the whole race, learn and adapt in conquer. Would have won the damn war long ago I mean let's just be can. Let's just put that out there. Is the struggle itself that is most important in life, not so much the destination. Those of you who haven't seen the next generation which anyone who's listening to the show? I assume that you probably at least dabbled in it at some point in your life. Anyway data. He is constantly striving throughout the show in the movies to be more human. And find out what it is to be human. He's also played very brilliantly by Brent spiner absolutely. But you? Hey, they should take the old. The theme Song For that Board Game Crossfire. And just make it about Brent spiner brand spina you been caught up in the brand's Mina. You know in the show. Brinson is Struggles to understand human behavior emotions. And he is a very different dynamic than you had with spock and Kirk. Because spock, it was at least part human. You know what I mean. Yes, but he does successfully find ways to increase is on humanity from time to time, although there are not even it completely fox them over well, an idiot carries over into the reboots like where he has problems expressing his emotions and we get. Talking about Brent. Yeah, yeah. That does I guess. You're right. seriously. Book. Good the skipping it again. Now there's. A. All right but Pretty proud of that. How much! No. I think I did get on that sound. Like I literally would for the slow good player back up all the way through the rage. That's the best work I've done on this podcast. Look just saying some. Pretty proud of it. You know pretty proud of you for that one you know. Of A I. Anyway. He never quite and when I say he going back talking about data, but he never quite makes it and never quite becomes as we've said. Boy. Many like to think that he eventually realizes that it was the pursuit of the goal that mattered more than achieving it. It doesn't matter where you end up. It's all about the journey I. Mean Some people think that? But what the fuck do they really know anyway for sure yeah. fucking losers. And most of them probably wouldn't show but the. Second Lizard soon, let's see but yoga. The couple I don't really have a an episode in mind kind of prove my point, but I mean these are some of the other thing that I learned. To always keep your mind open to new possibilities. Agreed because. Whether it be Kirk Card Cisco Janeway. They all run in to the unknown time and time and time again and yeah, sometimes they kind of go in there high and mighty thinking. They know what to do. But sometimes it's not until they open their mind that they really see what the best course of action is. which also goes into the fact that? You have to reserve judgment until you have all the facts. One example of this. That just came to me. Is the fact that the Q. Put basically the whole fucking human race on trial? But it's. A trial that goes on for years of course, and so we have a lot to atone for to be honest with him. And even even when we're led to believe. that. The trial comes to an end. which I mean, they do kind of leave whether it's the end of the trial open to interpretation, but I've always assumed that it did in that point, but. Even then he had to have all those years to really get most of the facts. Let alone all of them. But. Let's see here. Even, the best captain needs an awesome number one. He or she can count on. Just, look at this fucking show. An I'll leave it at that. And don't think that I'm saying Nice about otherwise I'll never fuck do it again. But Just look at the show. If I didn't have an awesome number, one win. This show completely takes number two. Or three for that matter. Any of you who have listened to more than a handful of episodes and keep coming back to the show. Wouldn't do so. So I mean you know there's something to be said for that? In doing to add to that one. I know I'm the shit. L.! Honesty that I. Get what you're saying. Because the dynamic, and that's that's that's true with any show really is. You need a dynamic torque off because I mean. You did this solo for a very long time. The same time though. They may not realize this, but. You know RPM, and I are always talking about various ideas what we should talk about for certain segments, or what have you? He could still bounce ideas off, of May, just as a friend like if you were you know you listen to my show. Would you want to hear something like this, but it's different when I'm involved with the show. Take yesterday for example. It wasn't until. Our ransom ideas past you. That I truly came across some ideas that I was really kind of behind. An old sudden I sent you a list of basically every fucking thing, but I wanna to do for the whole season. Yeah, which I mean, I'm not. I'm not entirely one hundred percent on the the gang. Bang special, but. We'll try it, but we need a fluffer for their yeah. Don't worry. I'll call him. But Anyway who he brings Sam in on this show is just an intern. which should at some point am the intern? But. The point remains the same if I didn't have that dynamic. Shit this whole show would have gone to pot long long long ago. Yo some people might argue that adds. But this show would have gotten to the point where I would've fucking quit I would said. Enda because you and you know people like you. I have yet to have to do that. And soldiers appreciated. That you do the bare minimum. FUCKING NUMB! He said to the guy that designed every t shirt on that store. You know there is that. Fine point taken. Jerk. But to finish this off. One thing that you can warn while watching the show. And I know this is pretty. fucking face of it, but. is to boldly go. No one has gone before. and. This may sound like the famous tagline and you know some could say that. It's one of the most famous tag lines ever. But. It's also basically a giant fucking metaphor for how humanity in general approaches the unknown. Cause for everything. There is a first time. Thus most of us. Usually approach just about every damn thing of our in our lives. With fear. Fear of the unknown fear of just just fear. You fucking pansies. But. We can do that. or we can fucking embrace life. And enjoy the wonder of discovery. And sometimes as as a Lou with the whole data thing. Sometimes the journey. Is just as thrilling in fun as the fucking destination. So you know I mean if I had to really. Some bad off. Blaze new trails. Don't get stuck in the same old shit. Just new day way of life and don't be afraid to take some damn chances some risks. Like the time Reverend Jesse to junk out right in the middle of that Kiddie fare. You're not allowed back there are. No No Yeah that was a strange time. Yeah I, mean you know? What it is okay, but to just put a nice little bow on it all. In all things. Just fucking. Make It, so don't over, think things. Don't sweat the small shit, it's all small shit. Don't overanalyze. In just make fucking so. Also The needs of the many outweighed the needs of the view. Or the one. which was news to me? You totally contradictory to how I fucking lived my life. For so many many many years. But. There is no more apparent moment. To try and hit this home. Then, when spock sacrifices his time in himself to try and save the ship. In reference. In a moment that taught me also. To cherish the value of a great friend that you can always count on. Just as much as they can count on you. Kind of make this whole episode just like a big Ego. Boost towards me. I figure. I give enough shit. T you that you know I just. Don't want you to take. I never want you to take anything. Personal. But. Yeah so I. Guess Actually You know what? Now, look at it. That is the in the list. If! There's anything that you've learned from the show. Leave comments find me at the fickle fan boy RPM, at fickle fan, boy, podcast on Instagram, or on the fan, boy facebook page, find me just underscore. On twitter you can find my personal show that shared observer forever. Just Degan Sam your favorite podcast platforms. If you like edgy content, combined the official network page at fat lows radio, and all your favorite social media websites, and we are at twitter. Ad Fat lows, radio. And be sure to check out all the other associated shows. My Show, our movie podcast acclaim in Shame. The native drinkers, the unserious, a series podcast, and are associated shows, Robin Slim From Bottom and pee on the pod all ratios. Yeah man also be sure to check out the official fickle fan boy merged store at fickle fan, boy dot com. It's and don't worry the only person that slaves away when doing anything pro fucking store. Is Reverend Jess so I mean you know who cares. That's very true. I mean it's let's face it. It's much better than if it was a bunch of Third World. Country Children in you. got that going for me. But. For now folks? Remember! This has been a fat lows radio production to hear more shows like this. Go to soundcloud dot, com slash battles, radio, and as always will. Live long and prosper.

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Bonus: Modern Feminists by Fiverr with Gali Arnon

Encyclopedia Womannica

03:23 min | 4 months ago

Bonus: Modern Feminists by Fiverr with Gali Arnon

"Palo from Wonder Media Network. I'm Jenny Kaplan and this is encyclopedia. Britannica this bonus episode is brought to you by five every Saturday this month we to modern day feminists addressing issues that impact women today for this final Saturday. We spoke to fivers. Cmo golly are none. She's been working in tech for over fifteen years and she's been the CEO of two different companies but for her fiber is different. I really feel close to our community of sellers and buyers. I talked to them a lot. I talked personally. I need them in community events There are big big part of everything we do. So I think that the support and the kind of positive reinforcement you get by this ongoing communication with your community and and the sending the impact. You're making on people's life gives me the reason to wake up every morning and and do Mike. My best support. Fivers model allows businesses and freelancers alike to adapt in the face of an unexpected crisis. Like the Cova nineteen pandemic. I think it's very challenging times for the world to keep Economy going and and keep businesses running. I think first priority now is to make sure our community is safe and to allow people the opportunities to keep Making a living this challenging times offering their services online at five we consist out of a global community and we are constantly in touch with with this community. Yesterday we had our first community event which was completely online five employees. We're actually meeting with with our community. Although times are really hard for for many people were trying to break this open. Communicate give And collaborative environment to support our community members and and give them the opportunity to shortish the same model that gives fiber. It's adaptability also helps level the playing field for women. On average fivers women freelancers earn more than men even on a per project basis. I'm being in touch with our community on an ongoing basis and hear wonderful stories from freelancers that are able to to see the great balance between Life and work are raising kids while working and making a living on fiber I also hear inspirational stories about Women entrepreneurs that are building their dreams build their businesses from the ground up using the five dollar. Things will not be the same after this this crisis but I I. I have a feeling and I'm optimistic that we come stronger and go through it together. Thank you to five for sponsoring this month of Encyclopedia Lamonica fivers here to support all freelancers entrepreneurs and businesses at this time as we adapt in the face of the corona pandemic. There are still three days left of this month's feminist theme tune in tomorrow to hear another podcast host. Give her take on her favourite past episode. Talk to you soon.

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Bonus Episode: Driverless Cars and Body-less Therapy with Arnon Rolnick, PhD

Speaking of Psychology

27:09 min | 10 months ago

Bonus Episode: Driverless Cars and Body-less Therapy with Arnon Rolnick, PhD

"Was recorded during a P. AS technology mind and Society Conference held in October Twentieth Nineteen in Washington DC. I was away on maternity leave during that time so hey everyone it's Caitlyn Luna host of speaking of Psychology this episode what Land Helplessness Theory have predict controllability prevent filling bed so I did this study for almost and not only they will be passenger they will reading devices like phones or kindle because they are free they don't have to drive Dan helplessness the exposure to uncontrolled motion is producing some sickness and not only sickness to artificial intelligence to the Internet of things have you ever wondered why drivers don't get carsick and if you've ever been CC daddy this Phenomena for many years in fact this is one of the ancient problem that technology made you know we were very happy that and society conference in Washington DC across disciplinary meeting to discuss psychologist's role in developing and advancing everything from virtual reality colleges from Israel where he directs Rolex Institute for Advanced Psychotherapy and Studies Psycho physiology and the integration of technology and psychology it could be moved by cars ships and horses but we were not aware that it will produce art debilitating effect like motion sickness and not only we found in my woken navy that people it's called technology made us motion sick autonomous cars will make us vomit it's a review of forty years of research which is a lot of times media so I'm wondering how much scientists know at this point about the likelihood that this will be a widespread problem and what can we do about it well we study motion sickness with the advent of self driving cars the idea that these vehicles might make people motion sick one glitch that hasn't gotten a lot of coverage by the into be even helpless they feel desperate and I connected it to Martin Seligman Theory he spent twenty years as a psychologist in the Israeli navy developing various methods to improve performance and well being under conditions attended to make them seasick association that explores the connections between psychological science and everyday life I'm your host Kim Mills and I'm coming to you from AP as annual technology mind he's also working on a book exploring virtual psychotherapy can open new ways to study the roles of the body and brain in therapy. Welcome Dr All nick two years ago and was not aware that time that in few years from now everybody will will be passenger juice really some type of depression which I was able to in my resort so that brought me to the question solution all possible solution we did in my work in the navy one of them was out efficient horizon we tweet psychologists will have to deal with and I'm going to present Few type of so this autonomous cow driverless cow is opening a real problem producing a real problem thank you very much thank you for inviting me one reason I wanted to talk to you today is to learn more about one of the papers you're presenting an AP as Technology Minded Society Conference. Nick are you curious to know what causes it and what if anything can be done to stave it off joining me today is Dr Arnn Role Nick a clinical and experimental science can't of motion sickness and increase performance that performance is becoming better as compared to I do know that the reason motion sickness develop it has to do with some type of conflict between the information the is get and the well who did not have this artificial horizon which was kind of projected on the walls of the and in the study I did with that in the Netherland we were able to sell that using artificial horizon we could dramatically reduce the we have to help them using various cognitive behavioral therapy approaches and there is an interesting how come certain people who are not sick like drivers and it came very nice with the Siri that controllability tilting groom that we use but this is some technical details but what I really want to emphasize in this people do adapt to motion sickness but we don't know enough about this process and apparently it's not enough just to be exposed to the motion frade from vomiting I'm doing gradual exposure to motion sickness and it is possible that with this correlation now between what I do in my clinical practice with people who are afraid from being sick or Kylo solution but the twee psychologist has have to examine the process of the population because lecture that I'm going to be one of another two lectures but one of my talk we'll speak not so much on technical a couple of questions about motion sickness so you talked about an artificial horizon so I'm in an autonomous car there's a real horizon out there so why does that some years ago and apparently we don't have a good research about it yet but apparently it does help so you know in so I do suggest that people will kind of play with a useless we'll just to feel that have perceived control the chairs facing each other not facing the movement and and a lot of screens so people might not see the V having your your previous question it is true they'll the main focus that we need to give them a good visual reference if driverless car we will need to do the same so this is one of the area I'm going to talk in this conference but then I will jump a voice must be heard in this issues is that a problem so far with the cars that they're designing or are you hearing that car sicknesses is an issue not not prevent me from getting motion sick what's happening or if you just gave me a steering wheel and I thought I was in control what I feel better well that's a very interesting that we I wonder what happened if you have a wheel but you don't really control you just play with it like what I did with my child when he was is high enough in the car it might be a little bit less it might be less but a again if they will be reading and looking eh visuals surrounding and this is why I am kind of a finger it they they will have to hear US psychologists we psychologists thrusting it no problem and other who will fit anxious and anxiety might produce even most thickness so we have to trust this computer that will drive us right and it will be interesting to see what type of people will be kind of Mason did if the vestibular information of a stabilised system which is in your ear inn right yes took with you to another area which related to my main practice as a clinical psychologist but before we get too far into that listen question I studied with three of them leading people in this field one is jt risen from England the other is a interesting question so you so why is it that some people get seasick or carsick and others don't that's again a good question a common effective will be wise enough they will do a big windows and that would be best but if you'll notice in the diagram of how later we trained soldiers sailors with some cognitive simple cognitive behavioral techniques is not exactly on this issue I think there is another issue should dimension it's again important for psychologists the issue of trust read about some type of lethargy epilepsy depression that we did so that emotion sickness does produce sailors that did not have self control ability we'll the classical method of measuring self control and we will you have two points here are good but let's go to the second one which I was just trying in my clinic in Israel L. to sell that cognitive ability of Self control might be very useful now I should mention here he has one way to counteract motion sickness how how exactly would that work well in my studies again some earlier studies hi self-control whale by foul they perform better than their counterparts or their other allergies but what he found that in order to help pilots sailors and people that suffer for motion sickness he uses very important figure his name Dhabi James Stobbe believe who worked in the naval biodynamic club here in this case and certain devices they will be apparently I did not seek or they will have what they call sulfites in petroleum is related to what I say a cpt to begin to prepare themselves to a new arena that they should work and Manat that might be developed without nausea and without vomiting interesting so you talked a little bit about cognitive behavioral therapy John Gray Bail from Florida and to sell these James Lackner in Brandeis University they were all studying this soap opera singer or it could be either relaxation ideal changing their cognition and we showed that people that did it and the people that had how they prepare all plan those car going to be like a a room with many is how to help people at the cars and more important motion sickness is very much condition awro Malta's bend is doing some research and other companies are doing research so it's not a ignore it but still the main focus well you see everybody's now obsessed with the issue shall they do accident right and not enough about this issue res I should I should be more concrete so it is possible again that we might also test the role of odors and maybe we can prevent this you're so yes we you know people in the field of cognitive behavioral therapy user think that their job is to prevent conditioned with the nausea this is phenomenal we all know in psychology we called conditioned taste aversion and then conditioned smell version mm-hmm and they say that sometimes it develops even without the symptoms of motion sickness like we can see it as a Sultanahmet scowled is going to be some stages at the beginning we will still need the wheel although it would not really control the car this online therapy and just published a book with Heim Weinberger friend of mine about online therapy there is some books in the cognitive behavioral therapies and there is another study that people did it in the sea just some years ago was very good results functional vestibular system might get sick in our navy my data show that seventy percent of the people get sick there see doc that we're dealing doing online therapy and produced a very interesting questions for example now quality there is to direction that Internet to one is to do what they call skype therapy or online video conference and this is mainly the relational people are the psycho dynamic people that said Hey it's interesting to see what we can learn The rivals rage overdrive ills anger all you know anxiety or depression I invite our colleague in Twee and it just published a book about his I am speaking about forty years I think he's working fifty years in the field and he's not it's not what we want we want to see the full body we want to see the interaction between the couple what happens when the wife Bloomberg now I'm dealing a lot with the role of the Internet in helping people and in fact in view now the classical people just put the guy or the couple before the camera before the computer and we'll just see two faces even without nausea so that's produced it's not something that you have before you get motion sick it's when after you become ocean sick you have this so pipe syndrome that's an area but our book is dealing with cases that we are doing it not only one on one like classical psychotherapy ah about therapy when we do it online is it the same therapy is at the same alliance that is produced in people thought it related to their to the function of the vestibular system this in the interview and apparently note everybody that has it's two people sitting in front of me you and out technician and suppose I want to see the interaction between the two order with feeling well exactly exactly but many go to other fill the time like I began with the old ancient we're doing it with couples with families with groups and with organizations so this is the uniqueness of our online therapy so is the therapist controlling the cameras and then the people who are the patients they're able to see themselves really need to kind of approach the mail and tell him hey please come down we might approach the female Intel her could you which exists in the couple's room and in this way it makes it somewhat more like a realtor in couple therapy we use develop some new way that we send you new cameras that can go from one to the other and they minority other programs people can see themselves and sometimes produce some too much people are too much self aware are nice technician here so I'm speaking about a lot of things that we are testing now regarding this represent my head and now my head is showing the cameras looking new and now the camera is looking on actioning by using different odors defaced drive or the first voyage that people are doing so you'd associate a and like if I'm driving in a car and in this color is a smell some type of smell that usually wouldn't bother me this smell is kind of accompanying the subject or the patient all the week suppose we were talking about let's say my I think that we need not to it's not enough to behavior that we are doing a good online right but your question is very important yes we found a way that the therapist from distance can control the camera looking on one of them or the other so that's one direction that we are doing with online therapy but that's not enough Susan a week we can really do a significant change so we developed an application that is kind of I kind of think differently cognitive but that's not enough what will happen when I'm going to be interviewed tomorrow to the CBS there's something that bothers the male vice versa we want to see their bodily behavior so we

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Nike's Latest Sneakers are Trash -- and Thats the Selling Point

Business Wars Daily

06:22 min | 5 months ago

Nike's Latest Sneakers are Trash -- and Thats the Selling Point

"This episode of Business Wars Daily is sponsored by wealth front with well front. You can save plan invest and get financial advice all in one place and they make your money work harder for you learn more at well front dot com slash VW daily. From wondering. I'm David Brown. And this is business wars daily on this Friday March twentieth. Well we're going to give you a break from the corona virus news that sweeping the planet and turn our attention to something. That's a little out of this world namely Space Hippie sneakers from Nike. It's not just the name that sounds interplanetary. The sneakers themselves are actually made from space junk. That's not what it sounds like. Nike is using the term to describe the scraps of material leftover on the factory floor after they've finished making other sneakers the point of Space Hippie to use Nike sneaker scraps to make a real athletic shoe it's a step toward participating in the circular economy. The company says the circular economy for those of you not quite up to speed yet is one in which materials get used again and again and again and again rather than being thrown away designers consider how a product ends its life not just how it begins for design. Aficionados calling this you. The Space Hippie is also a more pleasant spin this more candid truth. They look weird because they're made of trash. In anonymous Nike employee says in a corporate video made YouTube. Indeed that's the actual slogan Nike chose for these shoes. These Nike sneakers. Our Trash Nike claims. The space hippie sneakers have the lowest carbon footprint of any sneaker yet for instance to make the uppers the company used what is calling space waste. Yarn One hundred percent recycled material made from a blend of plastic water bottles t shirts and textiles scraps. The soul is less sustainable. It's made from Typical Nike. Foam mixed with fifteen percent recycled waste rubber. So what's with this space junk claim? It's a metaphor of course inspired by an actual space travel concept called Institute Resource Utilization or I S R U. The idea according to NASA is that astronauts in the future won't bring materials with them from Earth when they visit Mars for instance rather astronauts will use found materials in other words space junk to build wherever they need when they get there. According to good magazine you can see why Nike took the Space Junk Label for the trash on. Its factory floor. The space junk message also doubled down on the notion of resourcefulness injects a low level of climate anxiety into the marketing campaign. And for good reason as we've reported here more and more often. The shoe industry's message about sustainability. Is Beginning Louder Louder every week? It seems one shoe company or another is out doing itself with footwear made from recycled materials less water and cleaner processes but increasingly persuading buyers that the shoes our planet friendly. We mean the earth now not Mars. Well let's just good business with millennials and younger customers considering a brand's values as purchasing criteria shoe companies that fail to plow. Rnd efforts into sustainability may get left behind. It's a game of one upmanship between Nike and rivals. Adidas Reebok where Nike is looking to space. Adidases cornered the ocean this month. Adidas which has been using plastic ocean waste to make a variety of shoes will release new lines of golf shoes made with the stuff. Adidas previously made a splash during the super bowl by creating the country's first football field at a Miami highschool made completely with recycled plastic bottles and the list goes on. Sony is making a biodegradable shoe. As we reported in January and now Reebok is promising to launch a performance. Running shoe later. This year made from plant based not oil-based materials specifically eucalyptus castor beans and algae. But that'll smell good. Reebok says it designed the new shoe to be compostable to when it comes to pursuing sustainability. Getting good publicity from it. The shoe industry has reached critical mass. Yes for athletes performances still key but a shoes function alone is no longer enough to boost brand of the top of the heap and keep it there now. In the viciously competitive footwear industry. Sustainability is the new competitive advantage. Jeffers Shoe brand can get the best marks per compost ability. Recyclability zero waste at a decent price. Of course that's the one that will win the field as a case of reducing your footprint. But you sell more shoes. You see however from wondering this business for his daily. This week's episodes were written edited and produced by Lane Appleton. 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Santa Pause, Part 2

Christian Podcast Community

23:20 min | 11 months ago

Santa Pause, Part 2

"Welcome to did a game where we are studying to show ourselves approved rightly the word of truth so we can worship God in spirit and truth deepening our knowledge of God thereby enabling us to deepen our love now here we go it is now dear ones that I must ask you as much as possible to put aside personal preferences put aside majority opinion put aside tradition and preconceived notions in general in dealing with Santa Claus. Here's where I asked you consider the following assumed it is it is dubious at best to say that Santa Claus can be traced back to Saint Nicholas who information from a purely biblical point of view all right we're going to examine who Santa is in who God is we will look at I'm of God's attributes and I will hopefully this series will acquit butte because undoubtedly you have friends you have family members who do send this for the next Christmas that rolls around and they do tend to roll around pretty regularly do not okay well in our last program stuff today we start to get to the good stuff to the the material the content that really has a bearing on rather famously confronted areas over his heresy of Aryan ISM and things like that that's the Kirk Cameron version that he put in his movie very good I didn't plan this out very well my series own hearing from heaven went longer than I thought that it would and so I didn't get I wasn't new series that were doing on Santa Claus and I want to thank you very very much for that it's very encouraging in fact at the end of this series I'm going to read some of your emails on Air because I think some of these emails will be of encouragement to other people as well so please do we talked about the history of Santa the origins of Santa Ana pointed out how the origins of Santa are not nearly as Genteel as many In maybe this has been a bone of contention in your family or amongst your peers so I hope that this will be an equipping series for you okay a couple of years ago but that that history is dubious at best and there's a lot of indication that it's actually a much darker demonic origin keep them coming out I love to hear from you and I'm collecting these and at the end of our series will read some of these I must apologize to you my timing is not find you and yours doing well and I want to thank you for joining me for today's program received several emails from you regarding this his character characteristics attributes in compare them to God's characteristics and attributes and up until outset I'll tell you around and apparently he always will be now he turn -ality of course is one of God's incommunicable attributes one of his attributes physical bodies are not eternal Santa has a physical body in his physical body is apparently eternal whereas ours is not now we will oughta get all of the Santa Paul's series in before Christmas oh I know you are listening to this after Christmas after December twenty fifth whether or not we should do Santa with our kids and even if you don't have kids in the home anymore this will I think the series will still be helpful for you because we're going to talk about until about six years ago I'd never given this much thought at all I was Six plus years ago I would have been in need of reading but that's kind of it's interesting force but now we get to the real meat of a banner and actually going back to the emails that have received shares this attribute with God that's the first room number two Santa is immutable he is immutable this is closely coming courage I've already received some because we haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet I mean you know the origin of Santa is interesting for us but we haven't even gotten to the good earth and so you know the timing is not great on that understand I can only ask your forgiveness for that but hopefully the truth we will later have new physical bodies resurrected glorified bodies in the Eschaton but here now our bodies are not eternal s. e. okay now let's look at some of Santa's attributes all right number one Santa is eternal Santa is twenty-fourth Santa packs up his sleigh boards it and flies off and makes his appointed rounds with just as WCHS Hebrews chapter six verse Seventeen Hebrews Chapter Thirteen Verse Eight and James Chapter One immutable okay the next one Santa is omnipresent he's Omnipresent Santa is in effect everywhere verse seventeen this these are the scripture verses references that referred to the immutability of God Santa is also one of God's incommunicable attributes God is also immutable per Malachi three verse six Malachi Chapter Three Verse you're about Mrs Claus but you never hear about Santa's mom and Dad he seems to have no real beginning and he certainly has no end he's just always been all of the other created plants animals and we humans who grow old and we undergo decay Santa Appears Immune at the same time now true he does go from one house to another to another but he visits every child's house in the world all in one night and an article like what I wrote on Santa Claus or I won't be needing to hear a series own Santa rather than being in a position after the current physical bodies in which you reside once those wear out and go back to dust then after doing so I have decided and I've come to the conclusion that there is definitely biblical warrant for us to give Santa Paul's Santa's body is and so God is the great I am he has always been and always will be in Santa's much energy and enthusiasm in strength has he as he has in all the years past time seems to stand still for Santa and unlike first Hindu or Islamic children okay so you put those aside just in in the United States Okay Carnal Santa is often portrayed as having a wife Mrs Claus but he is never portrayed as having a mother or father have you ever noticed that he never the per second so for all intents and purposes we can say that he is omnipresent I mean vacant visit if you can go up and down night let's give him four twenty four hours with an additional six hours provided by the different time zones with the assumption of east to west travel from the passage of time in the curse of the fall Santa never get sick he never gets tired and he never seems to age This is all right the next attribute Santa is also omniscient he's omniscient now I think this is one of Sanders Santa's as I was six years ago as I was doing some research on Santa and kind of wrestling with this I came across a rather humorous engineering eight hundred twenty two point six chimneys per second yeah let's just call it what it is he's omnipresent so all of this aside this kind of humorous engineering analysis Santas Santas travel this assumes the writer of this particular paper article assumes that Santa does not visit boots repeater attributes Santa's seemingly knows everything consider the words of John Coots and Haven Gillespie's nineteen thirty four saw about six years ago that I really began to think through who sent it is the attributes that he has and then I Asian of adding that actually giving one so six plus years ago I would have needed to have been the recipient of this information not the one giving it to you so anyway odd omnipresence is one of God's incommunicable attributes he is limited neither by space nor time in his everywhere present in all of his analysis of Santa's feet of flying now this particular its own Internet somewhere I don't have in front of me but this particular analysis done by an engineer good so be good for goodness sake it's that the line out of that Song Santa Claus is coming down that line is is lake he knows if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake he knows if you've been sleeping knows if you're awake the last is is not is not dependent on a date on the calendar so even though it's after Christmas when you're listening you'll remember that's Kinda creepy is not from his home at the North Pole Santa possesses the ability to know when each and every child in presumably adult really began to take take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ as Paul and structures to do Second Corinthians ten verse five and Omniscience is one of God's unique in incommunicable attributes per job chapter twenty one verse twenty two psalm the United States Sana still manages to visit ninety one point eight million homes in one night that's just in the your own December twenty fourth fact I am recording this hone December twenty fourth year after year after year on on this very day good Santa is portrayed as a kind gentle jovial and good man he is good V on earth is sleeping in a wake compare Santa's power with that of God proverbs fifteen verse three says the others so Santa is omniscient he's omnipresent also Santa is good related to his eternal Santa also is apparently immutable in other words he does not change year after year after year okay this was about an engineer now according to this particular engineer Santa Must Visit Eight hundred in twenty two point six homes nine attributes ascribed to him scribe to Santa God's standard of goodness is moral perfection in complete obedience as yes the eyes of the Lord our in every place keeping watch on the evil in the good that's kind of kind of crazy that he well that he does not share with us we will live eternally so I say that we in the sense of here now are Santa Rosa behavior and apparently is qualified to make judgments as to its meritorious value he sees all he knows all phoniness we see this and Deuteronomy chapter four verse thirty nine we see this and I kings eight twenty seven we see it in Psalm chant award are in every place keeping watch on the evil and the good and yet we know from Sana he knows if you've been sleeping he knows when you're awake he knows if you've been bad in mark chapter ten Jesus told the rich young ruler no one is good except God alone God's goodness his sometimes referred after one thirty nine verse eight we sit in Jeremiah Twenty three versus twenty three through twenty four and a Fiji's one verse twenty three in Santa Claus is coming to town we all know that song right Santa Claus is coming to town here's what it says he knows if you've been sleeping he knows when you're awake some will undoubtedly think I'm stretching here but describing Santa as good is problematic when it's coupled with all of the other his authority to determine which children have been bad or good k now good is a word that we often use to describe it chapter thirty three versus thirteen through fifteen SOM- chapter one thirty nine versus one through four and Matthew Chapter six verse four understates Okay so just be generous this particular author Loud Santa a full twenty four hours so let's say doesn't even he doesn't even do it all nature this too is in direct opposition to scripture in a statement affirming his own deity Jesus told the rich young ruler very plainly be in it I mean not God but it's creepy that Santa has the exact same power and ability that God does the Bible tells us that the eyes of the law is truly qualified to make judgments about good and bad behavior in render the appropriate rewards and punishments now deceitful above all things and desperately wicked per Jeremiah. Seventeen Verse Nine the Apostle Paul stated in Romans Chapter Seven Verse Eighteen Paul says all in a Lotta ways almost word for word proverbs fifteen verse three he can certainly say it's a very very close paraphrase of proverbs fifteen three by his own character nature separates him from every other created thing and it puts him in the class of God Arnon good no not one no one is good except Santa Santa is good Santa's goodbye everything from people to to some desired outcome or two fried chicken you know going good is almost like a catch all phrase what's it's a good to make judgments about good and bad behavior and qualified to render the appropriate rewards and punishments respectively now Gods that nothing good dwells in him he knew that nothing good dwells in me he said in Romans Chapter Seven in Romans chapter three pulses at if not when you examine everything through the lens of scripture tests all things hold fast to that which is true for versus alone is five twenty one I don't think it's a stretch Kohl for the bad children is inextricably tied to his goodness only one who is intrinsically goodbye character and nature odds goodness is originally him does not possess by any of the fall and created beings you and me Santa's goodness the fact that Santa is good okay that's a good meal it's the the football team had a good day you know they you know whatever good is we use good for a lot of things now appeared by the Ten Commandments and none of us measure up to that standard dear friends none of us to we have all syndromes three twenty three and all of us have hearts that are never paid except for maybe some milk and cookies at the kids leave out but never gets paid and it goes on so in this aspect to Santa looked puts him in the God class some say I'm stretching on that I don't think I am not at all not at all not when you take every thought captain to his his Omni Benevolence God's goodness is original to him in his not possessed by any of the fallen created order and parenthetical thought here ponder that Santa has elves and God has angels just another parallel just and he actively of his elves is to create toys for worldwide distribution he is a gift giver in he gives read that again so you'll understand what I'm saying the only one who is intrinsically good bye character nature God is truly qualified with no expectation of anything in return right midfield about that Santa brings all these presents nobody pays him you know what I can remember what but of course I mean that that's not really in agreement with the the the common notion of Santa Claus good thing and every perfect gift is from above coming down from the father of lights per james chapter one verse Seventeen Sanchez makes all these gifts he an image Zales makes all these gifts and he brings them around to every area home on the planet the posits these gifts K. person fifty two verse one Psalm One of seven verse eight Psalm One Nineteen Sixty eight and I john one five gifts I Corinthians twelve for screenings fourteen Romans Chapter Eleven God give spiritual gifts God gives faith and repentance faith and repentance you never see a portrayal of Santa getting paid you know you never see mom and dad writing a check or calling the North Pole and giving on their credit card information or anything Personal Abilities First Corinthians Chapter Seven God gives Love Second Timothy Chapter one six or seven God gives gifts he gives spiritual only one who's really qualified to do that however Santa does this to Santa's activity all year long for him and his elves God gives light genesis chapter one he gives man the fruits of his Labor in ecclesiastic chapter three verse Thirteen God gives individuals the next attribute Santa is a gift giver he's a Gift Giver that Santa Gives to good children and leaves lumps that is a problem God is not only the ultimate gift giver but also the only true gift giver for every I just like God God is the only true gift giver

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"Business Is Booming, But I'm Bored. What's Next?"

The Ken Coleman Show

40:11 min | 11 months ago

"Business Is Booming, But I'm Bored. What's Next?"

"Hey podcast sir thanks for tuning in today which had a focus it on Gabrielle's call who has started something it's wildly successful and she's bored what to do next listen to that and more calls right now fly from Ramsey studios in Nashville you're joining well it's all about who you are supposed to influence what is your contribution communicate this but until there is an offer yeah I I don't know that you need to mention it to your manager as am I missing something even if you're at a crossroads well we'll help you look at those options if you're confused really help you with clear how can you use what you do best as a tool if you will to perform the work that you love be for the benefit of others that is what makes this world special place when we are giving ourselves eighty if you scared all we're going to give you some confidence so let's go let's start off in Los Angeles California with Christina Christina you're on of nervous and like scared on when I should tell my manager or like how I should tell him in the process and everything and what we were created to do is on benefit or is a benefit for others so that's what we're about thrilled to have you with us but I have not sending to my current leader because there really is no offer if this goes anywhere I really value your opinion on how we should to engage in and create a result that you're deeply proud of that's what we look at that's the sweet spot eight four seven four seven two five seven seven well I guess I'm just because they've been so good to me you know it's just kind of you feel bad for not telling them but what are you going to tell him so let's play let's let let's go your route let's say that I think yes you should absolutely tell your manager today let's was role play this what would can you so kind of Oh we're working on it seems like that CEO would have some hesam direction on this. I mean I can give you my opinion eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven if you knew the show we're GonNa look at what you do best and what you love to do most uh-huh to move over to this is your company which would be more in line with my skill set and my educational background and I'm guessing but because of the relationship of the two companies when you go to talk to the CEO for the interview. I think that's when you go hey I know this is the first interview okay so we've not had the interview yet it hasn't material okay no because I have to talk to the CEO and she's CEO both kinds so while we focus on who you are what you do best in what you love to do most and what you want to do and where you WanNa go and why you want to be there you're that's not a selfish pursued a it is a selfless pursuit if it is on purpose because we are to become who we recruited you say without any of my advice what would you say right now to the manager got I wouldn't I wouldn't be like I would be totally honest and just home Ken Coleman Show Hi Ken Surgery to talk to You I've been listening for a long time Oh thank you how can help and so I'm kind of out of crossroads and she just mentioned it I work for a small company and they have a sister company and there's a potential job offers okay but it's not available so what happens so so the manager sitting there and is it a year ago and the yes okay so when is the interview and you're GonNa say I don't know yet completely not happy okay all right and okay and then I would want him to to that position if it were available thoughts and potential tension for something that has yet to materialize and now let's just play this out further let's say that you they've been good to you and you don't want to hurt their feelings isn't that what this is really about yeah okay great so how do we not hurt their feelings here's how number one sit tight why you would do this here's how this should go down and I and I know exactly what you're feeling your very loyal and you're a good person and this leader has been good you even though you're not happy area right now who is that and you're going to tell him and now all of a sudden I feel like we've created a bunch of unnecessary let's wait for the interview actually materialize win the interview happens with the CEO who is the CEO both companies so now you're completely but assuming you're gonNA take it you go sit down with your your current leader and go hey I got approached and it seemed very attractive you've felt like it was something that I should at least listen to because of of you know kind of how excited I got about it and the potential I've gone through the process it yeah okay let's play out the negative scenario let's say that you interview the job you don't get the job and so you don't have anything to go to right this moment go you actually get the energy and it doesn't go well or they just choose he goes well and they choose somebody else now you've already created an awkward city above board so you don't have to worry about anything because at the end of the day skirt feelings hurt feelings but you've been above board you've been approached CEO wants to interview that's her that anyway in this little fun conversation we're having he's going to ask yeah so now you're going to tell them and so I just can't see any positive reason did the interview the CEO and they've made me an offer and I feel like it's a no brainer I've got to take it and I just want you to know how this all went down says a much better opportunity I can't tell you how much I care for this team appreciate you and you know see you later here's a here's a mixed here's a mix tape something that I can flourish in and you don't make it about him personally go hey I need more here's what I need and I'm looking for this hurting feelings and you won't hurt feelings if you handle it upright and honestly and it doesn't mean that they won't be said to see you go and by the way our and this same conversation you just say it's not you it's me remember the old break-up line then it's me that he's going to go well how'd you hear about the position that it that they're interested in you actually poached right now there and yet you're still unhappy okay so there's one of two things you can do one you go to them go on happy but I love the company is there a way to look for you know okay I'm so glad I'm so glad you got the joke I don't use a lot of people listening right now that have no idea what a mix tape is something different here that's one option the second option is you lick your wounds after not getting this Gig and we start looking at yeah you go Tolan Show Hi Ken thank you for speaking with me today sure how can help sure so I'm an attorney instead of feeling badly about leaving a company in those people being sad and kind of being down that you're leaving and starting to feel bad that makes me sad I definitely solicit Christina you're good lady and so because you're such a good lady you're worried about migos shouldn't feel badly I can feel sad but I should feel good that I'm a nice person and a viable and a further sad to see I'm fulfilled with it but I feel like I've already learned older east to it and it's just the same I'm gonNA turning the same cases over and over me go so don't be worried about that eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven Dallas Texas where Gabrielle is on the Line Gabriella you're on the oh no he might ask another follow because he is have you talked to so and so who's the CEO what are you going to say to that. I'm just an Achiever go-getter you know just super driven so I'm trying to see should I start looking at a new career path yeah and you just break up very gently hey I'm look I'm at a place Rodney growth and didn't feel like it's here and it's on a negative it's just like desperately needing some social interaction with people second of all the practice of law like lawyers constantly looking for problems about yourself why don't you go away second I've at least on the whole been a good enough person at their sad to see me go that's a compliment when someone said to see ten fifteen years from now I love the business side of the of what my clients do and I just need something more like this isn't enough so the bottom line is I don't think I'm the best I can be and I don't think doing what I'm doing he's going to be the best of me so and I feel like there's something more for me and that I probably I I don't see myself doing the same thing you know even five we started about five years ago these very successful making really good money even working part time and I like it imposition yeah I'd love to hear very well so first of all I worked for myself and all the lawyers that work for me are independent contractors and everybody works from home so cash and you've got this thing on the rails and I would never again right another contract I think the only thing I would do is stay involved in the business side of things uh-huh so I just I mean a place where I'm thinking and financially we're in a very good position I honestly don't even need to work but I do it because did I started like maybe getting a second job and and I trying to see what I like because that just tell you quickly some of the issues I have with Michael you did okay well first of all your rockstar and these these phone calls are very fun for me because you have all kinds of options so what we want to do it he's your things are going well now secondly you gave me a clue I think in what you said earlier you mentioned that you love this current firm that you start like there's a clue there what were you referring to so they have problem and I'm there to fix them right or they want to we'll just do the deal third the all the geographic restrictions were the practice of law all four I really miss working with more do I deal or you know some of them for example they want to extend it to different markets and I just love the idea of saying okay we have Kinda I almost feel like I need to go back to where I was five years ago and get a challenge and say I need to build something from zero and and that's kind of but I don't know agreeance lawyers I'm about twelve years out of law school and I got to work last week with a lawyer whose twenty five years out and it was just amazing just to this is all about what is the right challenge for you that's all we've got to begin to dive into I would starting today before we dive into the and pay attention to what's going on keep your finger on the pulse but I would I would get yourself completely out of your current law firm because you're bored out of your mind but it's sucking your soul out so you don't need to do that because somebody else to do it hire a great office manager something but get out of it except for just being the owner Arnon you know when you're trying to close a deal the other nor comes up with something that's really Unnecessary fighting creating problems and not letting the business zero business there how can we create you know out Phil Channel How do we go in getting to that mark what I mean by that is either you're starting your own thing or you're working for a bigger business than has business development or some type of strategy play where you take a lot of what makes you good as a lawyer which is the ability to understand a lot of facts older I don't know if legal work is your jam seems like to me you WanNa be you want to be a true entrepreneur or at least be entrepreneurial five so I need something to like spice it up and gave me more challenge I 'cause I need a challenge I don't have it right now it's too easy for me and I'm going right right right so I'm not I'm not conflicting what you're saying you're not hearing what I'm saying I'm saying you need to follow look for loopholes or spaces whatever makes you a good lawyer is very transferable and business would you agree with that statement ear her you know how she's saying and you know she was so right to work with even for a small saying and so then the last one that I just already mentioned forget you know how do we overcome so hold on hold on here we have limited time so I've got to jump in here all right so the issue is then you didn't tell me on board because I already know what do and he's like on auto like automatic pilot I they should run and and I'm tired of like riding contract and he's like the same contract exploration part I'm going to give you a challenge I think you need to I think you need to never write another contract for this current business but I would keep this current business who's just throwing it's just thrown did that you love what the quit your clients do so your clients excuse me your clients are businesses what do they do since to me you you you go up the ladder and you work for maybe even one of your clients and and that may be a conflict of interest relation that you're trying to avoid in the first place and so it's pretty much like okay this is GonNa as he he goes all right why are you unhappy and he's probably GonNa ask you and and be a legal mind on new ventures and bring to bear what makes a lawyer great but in a business and a new business keeps throwing off insane amount of cash which becomes your money by the way to start something new and start something but get your eyes up and start going this gut in this heart response that you have towards business and again you can still be a lawyer and potentially work for a very large company sure so you do the interview if the interview turns into an offer then you decide if you're gonNA take it or not a certain industry I thought you were going to tell me I like this form of business or I like this industry allergy okay so all these companies are tech companies cells to what kind of business would I love to start what kind of technology business would I wanna get in what are the opportunities and so here's my advice on that I want you to go sit down with Aleutian here or I like solving the problems over there and just use these folks as a sounding board and just ask yourself these three questions for nothing about starting something new these are the types of things I get jazzed about when I'm representing you and we hear you all working through these problems or I get juiced about this this is people that you already represent because you've got some great business minds as you're on speed dial relationship with it say hey I'm thinking about starting something business development type role because I think you're all about starting stuff I think you love you see you're saying it right now so I'm giving you one idea one idea is service that's provided or the product that's provided helps person X. who is that who do you most want help we'll probably most want to solve what's in the business side of things and it's less about the legal work because you said well you know I loved working with a lawyer twenty five years do with the fact that like I went to you know you paid so much money to go to law school building this firm I with my sweat and tears driven and now you know saying hey I'm done with this I'm Gonna I mean listen Holton team responsible I didn't tell you to leave your firm I just got done telling you keep your Russian you most want to provide those are the three questions and you keep answering those questions daily the answers are going to get more specific each day before you go talk with these people so you have some type of information share them number one what problems do you most want solve you get fired up about these problems ah so if it is the pardon me I'm not a legal expert but the point is is that you would be doing business development type strategy type stuff so being a lawyer makes you good at that'd be giving away more money this fall that's right they're giving away six five thousand dollar scholarships if you WANNA qualify friends at Liberty University Liberty has over four hundred unique online degree programs so whatever your interest or passion Dave Guy which you need earned the degree or certificate promise get it out on paper get out of your head now do your heart on paper look at it and see what happens don't move Coleman show coming up right around the corner enter to win go to my page at liberty dot edu slash kin that's liberty dot edu slash to get all the official rules and apply go now now here's the thing though thing is why did you start something and save up for your throne cash off like crazy what if you just keep building 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I'm so excited about our three free resources that Ken Coleman Dot Com it's about helping you get the job that you're looking for here are the three resources who what solutions you most want to provide and number three who do you most want to help if you're going to create a business and the end result of the business so the news they frozen their tuition for the next two years so if you get in now rates won't change through June twenty twenty one and what's even better than that hey folks kids have started back to school and if you've got more time on your hands and you're ready to complete that degree is time to check out so you want and you don't have to wait till the spring there are eight start dates per year most classes are in eight week formats now here's some better tation about who you are what you were born to do where you want to be and how you can get there it's not all about you sounds like it doesn't it one is so so go ahead and do that because the doing great just keep trying keep that thing going but don't do don't do anymore contract and I just cannot be anymore grateful for your leadership in my life forgive me an opportunity Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and that's that's GonNa go that's the ideal scenario How to write the perfect resume five ways to fix your resume and land your dream job this guide helps you understand that a resume without a relationship is worthless we're gonNA teach you how to flip the resume with an actual template so you lead with who you know then you're going to get a phone call or an email in this takes you to the next step how to win the this is booty wherever you listen to podcast for Business Boutique Dot Com weekly help you lose your keys all the time and things of that nature right because I'm running one hundred miles an hour my thoughts are always big picture Ken Coleman Dot Com and get hired welcome back America this is the Ken Coleman Show so thrilled to have you with us big things I'm hyper focused on all the things and I'm not focused on what I deal with my keys okay so as a matter of fact Macleod's the next thing I'm thinking about that I'm doing I'm all in notice a pattern I'm thinking about the why did I leave my cell phone in the car because I'm thinking about eighty thousand other things at once instead of Yes now one caveat I am not a psychologist I am not a medical doctor what I'm about to say works for me diagnosis to your advantage and I've heard you referenced that you treat it without medication how has it worked for you any tips for being a leader with this disorder and it's so important to follow up and finish strong now you can get all three get hired resources for free at Ken Coleman Dot Com don't wait a second they have not chosen to take medication for my Adhd because I actually sat down with a psychiatrist who said I can prescribe you a low dose which would so anytime I take on subjects like this and I'm not a controversial guy but the last time I took on medication for something I had some guy on twitter his by the way if you come after me on social media I want you to understand what you're going to hear that's what you're GonNa hear I am not going mcnall you've got mail Matt writes in Kenema Personal Growth Junkie and I've been recently diagnosed with Adhd to debate you on twitter you can come back and listen to what I said I'm very clear on what I say why I say it all right I time and if you don't get through voicemail we'll get back to you we will get you on the show but let's open up the mail back job and finally you get Ken touch point timeline five steps for following up after the interview these steps are so often left out by so many on the hiring pad her I wasn't shocked I was like embarrassed like thanks man you're such good Samaritan yeah gene to leave to go to the airport and get in the airport and get on a plane and the guy calls me down I left my cell phone in the car this is not abnormal and listen to us anywhere you enjoy podcast you can listen and watch on youtube to search the Ken Coleman Show and love our Sirius Xm audience civic and emails. Because I can't go back and forth you if you want to call the show eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven live from one to three eastern before I leave this car now joe would never struggle with this joe is check it three times and then go back through it one more time can't stand guys thank you thank you thank you the email to the show asking Ken Coleman Dot com we tried to get to emails a couple times a week be very just try to roast me and he took everything I said out of context and thank gods a couple of our listeners were like that's not what he said Oh I rented a car this week I did a speech ahead to get a car to get to and from the place from the airport and I dropped the rental car off and thankfully I'm literally walking what Adhd essentially is is actually hyper focus people with Adhd like myself thank you because because because you're responsible because you're a bad person all right so anyway too much it might help you but it also hinders you all right please don't get your feelings hurt just hear me out folks okay now so adhd negative symptoms if you will they fall off to the wayside are engaged in our sweet spot using what we do best our strengths talents and skills to do something we love all those and we are actually hyper focused so when I'm performing on a stage on this radio show on television Asian I am as focused as anybody on the planet why because yes we struggle with some things details and tend to be forgetful and a little bit of a disaster a little bit like a tornado from time to time but when we qualification here's the deal the reason I don't do medication is because I'm a high functioning according to the psychiatrist and you know I went through all this and just did some assessment years and years ago and my counselors say go see psychiatrists about this adhd thing because I had taken thing and being diagnosed with it this counselor a professional about this the medicine dulls some of the things that actually make me really really good so do I e on undiagnosed until this point and I've heard you referenced many times how you have the same diagnosis one of some order some of the ways you have utilized this about me and I've done the research on this and talk to medical professionals so I'm a person that goes hey we all have strengths we all have weaknesses live what if I take medication to make myself a little bit more in tune there I'm going to pull away from the things that I do best it was true we go to the psychiatrists the medical side of things he's low dosage I called a couple of psychologist friends of mine talking to my wife about it was like I just don't need it thinks from time to time that make my team roll their eyes and makes Joe Anxious because I'm a little bit of a disaster yes he says I'm high functioning so I don't do it but here's how I deal with the negative side of this and if you are unable to overcome it and medication helps a little bit of a hot potato for people when you have adhd you said what are your tips leading in this disorder. Here's what I would tell you communicate there is a it's like there's a good sign of bad side to every strength right so for every strength there's an underbelly okay so the ability to hyper focus also again I'm an adult and I'm high functioning so it wasn't a functional thing where I couldn't get anything done and I couldn't interact socially or any of that stuff did it cost challenges in school for me yes but here's why I don't medicate myself having talked to the psychiatrist you then go for it talk medical doctor that'd be my take I don't need it here's why and then in also explain what I think the medicine does on your weaknesses over communicate tell everybody you've noticed this here's why this tends to happen not an excuse is just I've got this challenge I am not be fully myself and fully alive now that's my take on me I'm not talking about you I'm not talking about your kids I'm talking and has a hyper focus advantage that goes with all of those things that can cause your hair to fall out a person thrives doing something they love just all of us thrive but even more so the hyper focus so do the things that you get easy hyper focus on outside of that you're trying to create systems that involve people that mitigate essentially where you're really that's what you do your kid may not know inherently their strengths and their weaknesses and you know I get that they're not going to be as aware or as evolved as an adult however and I'm not very good at these things I tend to struggle with these things and here's why just want everybody to know so you over communicate on your weaknesses of to your strengths work to your strikes so here is the last piece of advice I know man I'm taking a little bit longer on this but this is a this is a ver- if medication is an option and the doctor goes hey I think we can

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Shea Whigham

Maltin On Movies

56:43 min | 1 year ago

Shea Whigham

"Hi, guys, we want to. Thank our great sponsor, legion 'em. They are the first fan owned entertainment company. We love working with them. They really incredible experiences for people. If you're someone who wants to feel like you own a piece and are a piece of the industry. It's a great way to do it. They do meet ups all over the country. They have a really cool community going online. I cannot recommend them enough go legion dot com. For more information. Hi, everybody. I'm Leonard Maltin. And I'm Jesse Maltin listening to Maltin on movies, and what can I say about our guest today you've all seen him? I mean, if you've been watching anything on screen big screen little screen in the past thirty years you've seen them, you know, and his name is Shay Wiggham. But here's here's the thing that gets me. So if any one actor who is in much the machete take shelter. This must be the place. Silver linings playbook savages, the wolf of Wall Street, fast and furious, American hustle. Boardwalk empire true detective nonstop you. Don't sleep justified country called home term life, Star Trek Kong, skull island Fargo death note. There's more vice principals narcos Beirut, Waco Sicario day of the battle. I man that I'm not done yet. You got more bad times at the hill royale homecoming vice dirty, John and more. But let's stop there. Because. Here's my feeling. We're an award season here in this company town where everything is overtaken by all these awards and buses, but there's one award. Nobody gives out in the movie world MVP. So the borrow from the sporting world, which which he knows a lot about all sport questions. He's got send them, right? That way. Shea. I would nominate you as movies MVP. I will take it. I I mean, thanks. Thanks for having me. National fans, it's a trip for me to you know, to watch all these years and to be on. It's real pleasure. That's great. That's great. And I have to say has a wonderful smile, which you don't see all that often. When you see Michael, Shannon, smile and people go he does that his face. Does that I didn't know about to start something with two? Oh, yeah. Oh, good. Of course, you are. Of course, you are. Yeah. So I do hear that Lewis. Yes. And that's only like twenty ten. Me, you know. Yeah, there's more you know, from for me. It'll I don't know what you want to start here. But anywhere, you feel like it just starts with directors. I always said, you know, and extorted with really with you know, with was, of course, Sese that once that with walk in. And it just helped me, you know, get to I think, you know. Stone and Oliver and he'd been a Russell, David. Oh, a couple of times, you know, in those are thing about the boardwalk is. When I signed on to do that. I hadn't done television yet. And I said, listen, my one thing is if you can in while I'm doing this. Let me jump off with any of the great directors. That's all I ask. And they were unbelievable about it. I mean, I had Malik. I had Verner Hertzog in there. I had to wrestle twice in there. And then we, you know sandwiched in Jeff Jif Nichols, some of the young guns Fukunaga, you know. So that was murderers row directors from me, you know. I mean, I I it was it was it. Yeah. So Morty started at all. Wow. Jeff Nichols is one of my dad's favorite directors and to. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. He's special. I mean, he is Spence really special in these, you know, sometimes, you know, in this business that the he or she who yells allowed as is the one that gets the attention. Jeff, very quiet, and I I love that. I mean in I remember we were doing that piece. We're talking about the movie start show techs shelter. First of all, I got a chance to do with my very good friend, Michael, Shannon. And but Nichols is. He's a special talent. I remember mardi saw take shelter. And I went back to boardwalk for like the third or fourth season and mortar U-Haul more. He wanted to do is talk about Nichols Christopher Nolan and seen take shelter. So these the big cats heavy guys were seeing in in really take notice of Jeff and he's just he's an incredible. He's like, David Greene. These guys they went to the same school. You know? And but yeah, rightfully so. Is great the first time. I remember seeing you is in tiger land. Which was it was your first movie. It's one of your first first movie or first movie. That's that was my God Malley Finn found myself and Colin festival Malik is one of the top casting directors. Yeah. I remember I didn't have an agent. I didn't have any. I I was doing theater in L is going broke doing theater in New York at the time putting everything on credit cards, and I had who which is now my wife we were living together in the city, and she would take tickets and hang on the walls, and we were written downtown at the Ohio theater, and I didn't have an agent at long hair didn't really at the time and wouldn't too savvy on that not that I am now. But I was really wasn't. So someone had seen me a manager at me. And he says I'd like you to come in. I have one one actor right now that I've had my whole life. That's Matt Dillon. The Cuomo's was his name. I go into Vic. And I said, you know, the usual listen of you Take me on. I I'm I promise you baba, blah, you know, book I'll do good, and I got the sopranos pilot and tiger land in the same week three weeks after signing with him sopranos. They didn't know what it was going to be the time. And so I went with tiger land. And and that was where Matt so I get I get the audition. And I go down to the last person that she sees in New York she'd seen everybody in New York, and I go in and nail this all dish in and she's like where are you from? And I'm like well from from Texas, and I had to Texas accent. I walked in and character, and she goes, okay? Okay. And I did do the the killing scene where I go to kill BAAs on the. So it was heavy and she stayed right in there with me we went for it. And she goes, okay. And then Joel saw Joel Schumacher found me, and I'm dead to as Collin is. And so that was where malathion. Wow. So you're actually acting opposite hurt for the Saudis. Yeah. Well, you know in fairness a kid, I think she did read with me because I was literally hustling to get there. They barely got me in because no one knew me in the town. And I came in like an I spent some time in Texas. I'd I was kicking around a lot of places at the time trying to figure it all out. You know, who you know, and I came in and yeah, I just what came in. Yes, ma'am. Good to see you. Thanks for having me. And all that kind of stuff has BAAs BAAs was we put him in Texas. We put him in. You know? I remember my backstory trailer park trash grew up on the Reito's. Didn't know his, you know, his old man, you know, any of that. So all that stuff. And I had worked. I'd really worked my backstory prior to even getting in there. And so we hit it. And she goes, you know, I'm gonna put you in front of Joel unless be good. Witted will here's a funniest here's funny. So I go in in this elaborate story had been built around me. I'm a rodeo rider from Texas and on. So I go in and Jones, this is now the audience is gonna know none of this. This is just you know, from your this of buildings building care from the ground up. You know? So it's so that you don't do care. Cheers, you do characters. Right. Do you know what? I mean, you always walk right up to that line for me. Whether it's comedy like vice principals or risk cutters. Love story the Russian. I think still to this days most magical piece that it's really a weights weights. I'll tell you funny. I mean, so anyway, so yes, so I guess I don't mean to but probably all about you, my friend. It's okay. It was difficult for me to be honest with you talk about myself. But, but yeah, a, you know, it's not law. So mean, we're gonna wouldn't table knock wood here. It's it's a pretty wild wild journey right now. Yeah. Well, all well earned. Thank you at through, you know, through diligent, here's diligent work. But just you describing how you prepare for an audition. Yeah. Really really digging deep to understand the guy you're supposed to play. So that we'll believe you. Yes. And that's one of your hallmarks that you're always believable, you play a variety of characters and types, but you're always sort of part of the fabric of the movie, Pat, the fabric of the world that that they're painting. Well, thank you. But I I think that's for me. That's an that. You just hit it right on the head. Well, a couple of things first of all you to just to simplify down. You're always looking for the truth the truth in everything, I know, that's really basic, but we get lost. And all the, you know, the the shiny objects of what it means to be. So you you how do you stay in that, you know, that relaxation and concentration and looking for just the truth. But I also it's important to me. You just said it to be in the fabric of the peace. Not to try to have to have my moment. I never want that I want to be a part of the world and in that world, hopefully people discover and they've they lose themselves. You know, I in these characters that I'm you know, that you're able to try to build sometimes you, you know, the their little easier than their than. These are the not defined. But I think it's important to be a part of to me to be a part of the fabric, you know, to to to to to try to realize Jeff Nichols vision or Tim van patents vision on mortal, Kim, pyre or Morty, you know. Their realization right of did you in Colin Farrell. Thailand was also a big boost in his career. Did you guys have to go to boot camp? Did you have to? Yeah. We. Yeah. We went we. You know, it's funny. Because when I when I finally we saw we I got to meet Arnon Milchan, and in Joel we went to the Marco till I'll never forget upper east side. I go there meet down in the lobby and there's Colin Farrell. They'll know who he is. I've no idea. He's just a he's a just his Irish boys. And we're sitting there talking and um nervous. I can't I can't I'm through. I threw up before I went into this all dish in to be fair walking up and down the streets. We stood pay telephones. I'm calling people on a can't go. I sit down with him. He already had the boss. He's coming into re they flew him into read with us. So I'm there, and they they picked the, you know, I'm going to kill him. A boy you want me to kill on the on the firing range seen if you remember that scene where I just lose. I lose it. So we come in, and I kind of talked to him. And I say, listen, man. I'm it's cool. I'm with I'm gonna take it to you in this audition. You know, he and he gets plea ho. Yeah. So we get in there. And it's Joel Arnon Nilsson has flown and the Greek producer from the twentieth century new regency and a couple of other people, and they they pick this scene. And I I go I look at him, we lock eyes, and he looks at me, and I take my fingers like a gun, and I put it, you know, I'm gonna kill a call on comb at him. And he just flips me over in the middle of the Marco telling I hit, I bang my head on the side. I come up, and I'm I'm in there's Wilson. And I'm like, I'm Mona kill. I'm what I'm bleeding. I'm leading outta my I in it's but it's in there. It's nothing nothing unsafe. We both know and we get done, and we're breathing like two bulls. And Joel stands up and Joel there and Schumacher and Armagh Milton and are not I'll never forget, this aren't onset. This is why I love making movies, and they go you both got the role. Oh, wow. Wow. I couldn't I mean thinking about it. Now, I get even emotional thinking about like, I ran down that street down park. Screaming? Anybody would? And these are the days to like when I was. I I figured out a way after graduating from SUNY purchase how I wanna be around greatness. It'd be on feel greatness and acting. So I got a job as a night guy fill in at at a central park ho building Dustin Hoffman lived there. Steve Morton live there. It was. And I got to see Hoffman at least twice a day walk out an end of the Bill, and he was getting ready for like just unhook and Gary Oldman would walk by. And I'd be like, I'm gonna work. Would you someday? Gary Oldman, Michael Douglas, live next like these were people, you know. And and I remember Gary all those these were it was you know, that romantic time that you hope you never lose as an actor. Right. You know, I think if you lose it you just go do something else. You know? That's it though, something that we say all the time. If you don't think this is cool, then you should probably do something else. Because it should always be not every aspect is going to be the greatest thing in the world. But it's pretty cool and an exciting. You know, I think I do you work with somebody were very fond of no we've had here on this show. Catherine hardware. Luther talked how she she who know their special called her early. She was coming off of, you know, set designing hell, yeah. That's a it's a whole. She was in a whole other. It's it's crazy to think of you know, you come across you come across people in you. You just know they're special and new in the room with their Jeremy Renner, and I played Reuters in that thing he and you knew she was special you knew she loved actors and she loved the process of, you know, building, you know. And I that's to me. I that's what I become really fond of directors that they love actors that you bring stuff in. And you know, you're calling them at three in the morning are texting in at three in the morning, Tim, Ben, Pat, and and at three oh five about a fight scene. In boardwalk, you're hitting Catherine hard with about, you know, I think I I remember God crazy stuff. But I did and do. Played one of the two brothers that were from the beach, and I would go every morning on the way to the set down there and at a milk jug. And I'd go to go to the Pacific at put salt water in it, and I would pour all of my because salt water in the air like he'd been surfing that morning. You know, a that was the thing that dropped me in on on that character, you know? So, but yes, she special and we knew she was special. So what did you study at purchase? Well, it's a conservatory. So it's four years mandatory for years. So you're there with either with acting first year acting speech voice, and then you're studying the classics, everyone shit Shakespeare Strandberg Ibsen, do, you know, check off everything you just immersed in it. And I got lucky I had a had a woman. I'm you lately. Noble there who who who passed, but she was from New York, and she had done some work. With Marty was on the state and choose with Pacino. She was on the stage with a teen in chose to be the teacher as opposed to you know, she just chose she'd loved it. So she sat on the right hand of of Meisner. Yeah. Seven years, and and Strasburg for another, you know, six seven years to learn how to teach so what she was a beast of a woman like love and really taught me everything laid the groundwork for me of how to build a carrot and what it means to be an actor. What you know? So, and I you know, you hope I haven't lost. I hope I lose that. Well, that that was a gift then. Yes gift. Yeah. I stumbled into that man. I was around Texas and someone someone had seen me from purchase and said you need to come up to the school. I had no idea where it was. And if I remember correctly I'd gotten into Carnegie Mellon in Boston University, those league of schools, and I went to New York sight unseen, had two suitcases no car, and that was up north of of the city. Yeah. Yeah. We I mean, it was a heavy time. And we had it was like ten years prior yet eighty thousand co coming out of there yet Wesley Snipes when was Lee was cooking with gas with working with spike. So you know, he was like twelve fourteen years ahead of me. And so, you know, they were just really visceral actors coming out of there. You know, everything you're talking about is what they they'll refer to like your bag of tricks. You know, and that's the whole thing is if you have the pieces of back story building that doing that. Okay. Well, that's that's what this does and going into an audition prepared like you were that's that's a specific thing to be able to do. And it's a lot. We talk about often auditioning is terrifying. And one of the ways to me that someone knows they really want to be an actors to put up with that craziness to be bouncing from one place to another with sides from God knows how many different things, and you know, it's like, and then you have to walk into a room with a whole bunch of people are going K go. Go ahead. Oh dance. Monkey? I got it. It's a lot. And so it has to be something you're passionate about otherwise. You would go insane. And you do you do times. It's a I mean, I think Meisner said it takes twenty years to become an actor when you're young, you know, first couple of years into it. You're like. As you get a little bit more mature into your like yet does. I mean, you're you're constantly peeling back the onion, you know, and lifting the stones and see what's under this. What's you know? What's Christian doing? What's Joaquin doing? What's Kevin bacon? All these guys have had a chance to work with you know. I mean, Jessica Chastain on take shelter. We've brought up Mike, and I both looked at her and we go that's a movie star. And she's and she's a character actress. But you're you're right. You know, you the rejection is is brutal. And there's this business as a really good litmus test. Whether or not you want to be in it or not, you know, what I mean, it will let you know. That's the thing. And and as glamorous as things can look there's a lot behind that. Oh my God. You know? Yeah. I I mean. That's part of. That's yeah. You know, you have one of the things that I had to learn to was when you go into those all do know, if you wanna talk about that, you know, with some of your some of your listeners may be audition. Do you want to do some of that like, well, I just you know, one of the things you have to remember is when you go into people are rooting for you. They're not root against you. I had to kind of I switch that off like, you know, they're they're they want you. They want you to do. Well, and some of these young actors asked me about this process. And I'm I'm like, listen number one. The the casting directors are our lifeblood Malley introduces me to Joe, you know, what I mean, they bring you in. So you better be prepared. Even if you're not right for that part, you better be prepared. Because you never wanna make them look bad in front of mardi or JR. Joel or, you know, very so you got to be prepared. And I like to say never be in mirror actor or an actress, you know, never studied in the mirror and do it to yourself because when you get in the room, you got to be somebody knocks over this Cup of coffee right here. We're all scrambling. That's not part of the scene. We gotta be in. Once you hear it out loud. And you're not in front of your mirror, and I'm going to do it this way don't ever become a mere actor or a planner. You know, I'm never planning things of I I call them plan at people like, oh, I'm going to do this. And then you get seen with them. And you're like it's not in. I love those glasses like me. And you got to be able to react to whatever, you know. That's not in the script. I do not know what's the whole the. Yes, end the, you know, all all those pieces. All of those pieces are important reminds me a data, your must be Bob Forrester in everything that you're saying, do, you know, Robert Forster have you ever worked with him? No, no, no. I don't know in blue course, he what an actor. We're very lucky, and he's been a family friend, my whole life. And when you listen to him talk about acting. It sounds a lot like how you're talking about. And he's attorney Tino guy. Right. He became. Right. I remember reading about that as young act Quentin rescued his career. I know man. I remember. Oh my God. I remember I remember I remember that. Because. Oh, anyway. Sorry. I digress. But yeah. Because I was the night. I was working at the San Remo was the night that Pulp Fiction premiered at told. Sam Jackson this story when we were gonna call was the night Pulp Fiction premiered at Lincoln center. So I- Bruce Willis lived in the building. So Bruce was headed down. He was all decked out. He was telling the doorman like, yeah, I'm headed to this thing Pulp Fiction. This guy did Reservoir Dogs. He was headed out. So I said to one of my guys, I gotta go. I gotta go figure out how to like break ins thing. So I stood on the outside of the line. And I watched everybody walk into Pulp Fiction Sam, I watched them all all walk in, you know, and then all these in the night told Sam and that was the one where someone fainted when they saw Houma take the shot. So then so I really read up all on, you know, Quinton. In in his and then I forced her thing. Pop them. Sorry. They're so good thing. It's a good thing to have these memories. And it's it's kind of wild. There are so many people, you know, berry Jenkins the way we know him is he used to work the telluride film festival. He was tearing tickets, you know, scooping popcorn program programming. You know, he wanted to be there. And that's the thing is if you want to be there, you figure it out film. I saw until you ride many years ago, but I've never forgotten is bad Lieutenant or to call New Orleans, and there's two heavyweights involved with that one is behind the camera Verna Herzog. Now, there's in front nNcholas cage. Just love him so much. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a real real through for me. I remember I auditioned for Verner, and I walked in and again other, you know, horse beaten out of my chest. And because I, you know, I had all these, you know, seeing the interview we shot, and you I'd seen all his films and the Klaus Kinski stories and everything in there. You know, how to take on that character, and it was wild. I don't know if you remember. But it was like I'm gonna I'm gonna really call him out. You know, this guy has no idea who he's talking to. So I was gonna use Knicks energy of being a big actor a big movie star. Like, you know. So what you know why you know, and and Verner was in the audition. And I remember I go ahead. This weird must go t for something. And he's like I like the it's keep that. And I remember I said to the reader they were starting I'm like well. Boo. You don't start the file a win win and furred is like. We're going to do and I go how am I going to do this with Nick like, you know? And so we got there on the day. And what this motel naked thrown me. We I'd throw it. We boasted a wall to the comfort in how many times you, Nick. And and he was his own believable. Like, he's he still huge movie star. But he's still gets down and dirty, man. Like, he loves it. So I go I go he throws me in one time. And I go, you know, and I I'm about to leave and I'm like that scene. Like woo. You know, admixed like time. What is it was what did he think he, you know? And we had we had a come to Jesus moment. Nick. And it within ended up being so amazing like with Nick, and with Verner we and I one of the again stories are to me, their, you know, their loss start in what we do. I think everything's become truncated. I think everything's about a sound bite. I think every I'll get these people tell us during the I don't want to take up too much time. You wanna hear you wanna pass these stories on infers, a great storytelling? I remember I'm sitting there at lunch by myself because I I can tend to get shy not saying they I'm at lunch and verdicts, do you mind if I sit with you, and we're in Shreveport. He sits down, and he just starts. We start talking about is photography and you start to I start talking to me about his about his docks. I just seen one of the dogs on prison. And and I just seen grizzly man. That's what it was asked about the book. The it's a world world's strongest man talks at Christmas Island. You know that was worth it for me. You know, sure do that with those guys and sit there with Nick. And Nick, I got to ask him about the early days of being a co pool, and he would talk to me about all the real girls, and he went on to work with David Gordon green. And just magic, you know, you can't pay. You can't you can't pay to be in that room. You can't put price tag on. No. I I wouldn't think so you I would not think so let's talk about risk cutters. I love that movie. But yeah. Yeah. That risk. I that was I think next to homecoming. I was just telling a friend of mine here. It's in the room with us os just saying how difficult risk cutters was so difficult because to get the Russian right to really get that. Right. We you can't you can't fake that you can't just put on an accent. So I I remember I started going Russian some Russian restaurants down here and just started. And I had the an knew that script was was magical. I I didn't know how Goran was going to execute it. I had no idea, you know, with the hole in the bottom of how could you explain it though? It's not a movie you can explain to people the way. Right. He's like, you know, what I'm I'm gonna get Tom waits. And I'm like, yeah. Sure. You. Spotted in years. You know, so. He gets it all together. And then we started really rehearsing, and but it was scary for me. That was a scary pro to to take that character on. And and I say man that to me to the states, the most magical piece that that I'd done in a way that Goran executed that was I don't know. I don't know how you feel. I think it's just. I love that film and the music for because Gogol bordello is so good. But in that movie, especially it is it's it's unique. And you know, now people think something that can get frustrating is this false kitsch where they're trying to be kitchy. They're trying to be a little bit weird. And and it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel real the, you know, Wes Anderson is Wes Anderson, and that you feel when you watch the Israel other times you go. So you're trying to do that thing. Risk cutters is not recovers its own entity funded. I mean, all these kinda interesting sitting there talking to you because I haven't thought about these things like the San Remo work in there. I haven't I haven't. I haven't voiced these thing that forever. We my wife, and I used to live on the Upper West side. Oh, yeah. We walked our dogs on the park behind him natural history and looked at the San Remo right thought what a grey towers may remember Steve Jobs at just moved in their tower person the other. But you sorry, you're right. What's getting back to risk cutters? So I to play you, gene, Goran new Eugene pretty intimately and so. But all I kept hearing was Eugene Eugene huts Eugene Eugene. And I I didn't I didn't wanna mimic. That's the big thing. You gotta be careful playing and he's such a I said, I said to go on I'm gonna I'm gonna make our Eugene, I have to have the creativity in licensed to make our Eugene with our he is and I can't be sitting in judgment every oh, gee, gene, wouldn't do this. He wouldn't do that. So I'm purposely didn't meet him on that. When sometimes you wanna meet, you wanna meet, and you can you can really grab things other times, you got to be careful because that's why certain things really. That's why like Phil Seymour was incredible as Truman Capote he didn't mimic Truman, he stepped into the skin. It wasn't like he stepped in there. You know, a lot of you know, if you'd mimic, you're right? You can't play at things you have to drop in on. And otherwise ten minutes. You watch. And you're like, you know, when I'm I feel a little removed from this. You know? And that's a tricky thing to do was drink using we do now, you you got in on sort of the ground floor of what we're now calling calling the high end television. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so boardwalk empire was going to be executive produced by Mr. Scorsese, and I don't know where Terence winter wasn't his career at that moment or ten Ben Pat directed so many of the episodes. But you know, there was still a question of like at come down to do TV, you know, when you're establishing yourself as a movie actor, but the Scorsese name is, you know, carry such tremendous weight. Is that what tipped the scales for you? Or or just that? It was a good part. Yeah. You know? Well, I would think it was it was a combination. Of course, Mr. Squatty, you know, you when he calls, you, do whatever. All right. Bring me ice cream. What do you want? How many flavors? To a take. Right. I. Yeah. That was a magical piece because the boys Tim been patented Terry winter were coming off sopranos this was their next gig. So we knew and I knew I knew Tim's work prior. I was a big sopranos guy. So. It was that. And then it had the ability to work with to be brothers with Steve be seventy. He said I was going to. I was waiting to hear how you pronounce last name Steve semi. Yeah. She know what he says just hire me too. How do you pronounce your name? However, you feel like doing it. I mean, I think came together that that's the that is the, you know, I think all actors have that that seminal piece some no moment in their career that was it for me creatively. And what a naval me to jump off and work. But some of these sure people telling you about so. Yeah. Once an ally. I mean, these these things are tricky because you know, I don't know how much they wanted to really flesh lie out at the start and Steve allowed to become more into into integral in the into the whole peace. And because they were gonna kill me on the seventh episode. I I go. You know, I go against him. And I we we put a hit out on my own brother. I'm sitting there going what's everybody for? Let's just take him out. You know, and the feeling you know, I thought okay, I'm done. And they came to me we were we to do table reach before every episode. I remember, I see I see this script. We get the script. And I'm like, oh, I get shot. I'm done. So I get met at the door for the read through by to have been patent in the writer who had written at the time. Larry, and and they come and they and I go visit then Morgan rate, they're gonna meet me at the door, and they go, listen, you're okay. Okay. We've talked about it. It's going to be okay. We'll put you at the passage just for a while. But and I go so I started it's at started so much from me because I got to know Mr. Scorsese Ozzie and do for Wall Street. I got to work with one of the great writers Terry winter and the best director that I've been with. And that's. In patent. He is. I mean, if you watch he set the world for game of thrones, the first two episodes, he you know, did Rome. He did. I mean, sopranos twenty-five episodes, and what he did I really learned a lot with with him. And he's become a very good friend of mine. And you know, it it it was it was a magical, you know, five years, and I respect them so much because I think we had more stories to tell I mean on that thing we went twelve fifteen deep, you're locking. There's Michael Shan. And there's Michael stool barks. There's there's Kelly. There's you know, you know, Michael k Williams there's I mean, we went the bench was so deep and we had stories, but they were like we were going five years. And now, we're not going to know. And I go I mean, you know, then we look we look back and we're like, oh, man. You know, we could have gone Capone a little more than a lot of things, I think so. Do whatever else is doing just reboot. Everyone else is doing just do a new still bought boardwalk empire. A further down the boardwalk. Wouldn't mind it. I gotta say I mean, we quit, you know, when we stopped, and I was like, okay. But I get it. I would not remind because these guys are so smart did they did they either seek or accept your input about the character. Well, no, not really I did say I will say this at the end of it when it was coming down to the end. We did it truncated eight episodes for the last one. And when we got down toward the end. I'm like, I think Eli should die. I don't think he should make it out. And I talked to him and Terry, and they go they go, no ally. Makes it nutty doesn't make it and that's the burden that he has to live with. That's you know, ally was always my my model. My John Casado. I've my model was always a little bit of radio. He'll never be able to take over nuggets position. He always wanted. He thinks he's but you'll never be a sad. But he's he's more dangerous than Frago. But there was a it was always up on my wall. Like, you know that that's the fuel that fueled a you lie. You know, I'm the one that had all the kids. Knock key didn't it's like silver linings playbook. Like, I have the job. He Bradley doesn't pop. I gotta house. He's gotta live here. I'm at work. He's an mental institution. Why does all the light get show? You know, it's the same thing with with ally. I don't understand I'm ready to run the Joe, but every time he would give me a little crevice ally. Screw it up. How interesting. Yeah. So and some actors as soon as they get an a series they want to get out of the series. You know, I'm sure you've been countered this and you've done you've done so many now so many some as recurring characters some principal character, and that new term limited series or things like you did Fargo dude in Waco. And you know, there's a live not there. Yeah. You know, for me, it's always telling you, it's all about the rectors in the piece of material. But again, I went on another for lack of better term murderers row on these on these series of of show runners, and these directors, and I'm I'm kind of I'm I'm a sucker for somebody sits down and explains their vision. And I'm like, I'm in no, Holly or or Cary Fukunaga for for true. Detective so I'm doing boardwalk, and we're in the throes when we're we're cooking with gas at this point like the second season. And it's it's humming. You know what I mean? And carry United talked about doing something maybe a year really sat down to coffee shop he'd done sonoma's. A and so he's like I want to I want to do something. I'm like, I'm in, you know, and so he comes to me like a year year and a half. Ladies like, all right. I got it. It's it's and I go cool. He's at HBO, and I go, I don't know, man. I don't know how this thing works like I'm at HBO right now. He's leave it to me. So he says they're gonna they're gonna let you do it. It's going to be gonna play preacher Therio. And and you're gonna give us to you need to do to. That's it. And I want you to do three because three might bleed over maybe too much. I'm like, okay. So I remember I'm doing silver linings, and I get the script and it's four lines. It's four lines for the preacher. And I'm like, okay. I gave my word, and I'm a person of my word if I told y'all do it. And then we had a great scene where Matthew comes back when I'm beaten. I'm beaten down in that antique. I'm I'm running the teach shop. So I get it. And I say listen, man, I'm coming. I'm coming. But you gotta give me something to to to work with here. Just gimme gimme a sermon. And you'll have to put it in in my lines were at the time like. It's good as everybody was owning more and baba blonde. And it was Matthew Woody ext existential conversation for eight minutes. And then and we'll see you all next Monday. Thank you very much for coming that was it four lines. So they gave me a next day Nick at naked done a fifteen minutes. Arman for me on previous areo. And when I tell you the hardest thing I've ever have memorized because it was full of non sequiturs. It was like it was like, he sees you. But you lost in the color of your, you know, like, you couldn't Colo of your mind and things to grab onto. So they gave that to me. We we went on the day. And I said the civic Fukunaga as a carry gimme a run at this. We don't put it in. We started that. And that's how that preacher theory really became Abbas sermon in there, you know, if that helps you it's kind of cool. Wow. That's part of the whole creative process in there too. It's interesting there some directors who want you to do exactly as they ask same with writers. There are some who can be really collaborative. And I it's always interesting to hear stories because it doesn't make no one is right or wrong. There is no right or wrong. It's just different. But you know, when you hear stories about like Clint Eastwood where people go on. And even know we were doing a take. He just started filming. And now he says we're done, you know, there's that version they're the ones like the jet appetites where they have so much footage. They don't even know what to do with themselves because they just keep shooting and trying and improving. So it's interesting to hear your stories and experiences. New was interesting until vision, we didn't change one word aboard walk unless we were really struggling because if you you know, you're talking period where nineteen twenty nine to thirty seven. And if you pull that thread and start improvising. You might be damaging something to scripts from now, you know, what I mean? So or foretelling something to scripts in the future. So we we we kept all of Terry and Howard quarter the Greek Howard quarter. Do we kept all of their, you know, so television, Noah same thing Fargo and even with true detective, I I didn't I I I didn't improvise any of their preaches areo or any of the like the writing is so tight, and I I always try to honor that especially with some of these these cats, and I'm working with it. Or like the writing is it's they worked so hard at it that I try to always stay with that. I if I you know, I try to honor that, you know, especially in television. To me. I mean television is they say the golden age. But I I think it is. I think it I think. Yes. Yes. This is so much good stuff. And I mean, I'm working with. Julia. Homecoming saying, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's. The lineup one hell of a line of on her. And it's it sorry. If I'm jumping ahead. But it's six it's six pages. You can't you can't fake stuff. Like that. You gotta show up ready on the day. Julia Roberts was like unbelievable. And so, yeah, I mean, you and you catching manual catching some of these you catch and Sam 's Myo who can direct any film. He wants to or Tim, bam patent or Cary Fukunaga. Who goes us? You've got you know, you've got like Cary Fukunaga who goes who goes true to -tective, and he does beasts of no nation, and then he goes bond James, he's doing the new Jing's gone. So, you know, everything had Terry winter rights boardwalk empire. And then he writes, we'll we'll for Wall Street. You know? So everything is all right. So what's it being? What's it like being on a skirt says e set feature film like? Wall street. Oh, I mean, you know, he nothing slips through. Nothing slips through the cracks with with mister Scorsese. He's my my my thing is with these with these with the greats. They all have one thing in common in in in addition to many things, and that is the great ones. Young or old is preparation preparation preparation. Do. You know what I mean? Because so many things are happening and Morty is at I don't know what how don't even know how old he is. He is still digging digging hard the stuff that was going on there to be great. I mean you walk in his trailer. And he does have t- Turner classic movies watching things and he's getting ideas for shots still. And then you get you get Leo and Leo was he was hungry. You know, he's you know, he is the biggest movie star. But also hungry. You know? So I go on. On and I'll tell you know, story about him too. But excuse me about mardi. But I go on. So they built the platform on hydraulics that as we're for were were facing this typhoon, you know, wave it. So it was unbelievable Joan Jonas funny is he can be with. That's the one where you're improv. That's one where you're letting things the synapses fly. And so it's everything is everything is. It's it's just it's beyond description. But I remember this this is this was funny. We're doing the I I seen couple of days of boardwalk and Marty's doing the pilots we got Morton Scorsese. And we're doing we got me we got all the bosses around, and we're setting the world from boardwalk empire. And we're having a sit down dinner, and it's Michael Pitt down at the end of the table. We're going to make him and I'm down there at me Nakae comedian, Steve, and and we have lobster. We have steak, you know, no mind, you I'd never been. I do it independent film at this. So in Michael Fay. Did he was coming off, you know, independent film? And Steve, of course, is he's done big films. But he's so were there we've got steak and lobster we go to do this. I seen and it was almost like can we? We got we got we don't in with. We're and we're Rifkind we're we're riffing around the table like, oh, yes. So you know, Boban, blah, he did this before we even start I'm taking where eating this. And and we go to the scene cut. New lobster news. I love it. I love it. Good. I look I will get peace. Steve. And I'm like every time they put a new law. And it was like did you start blowing lying more foods? Here. Ready to go. We hate it. We got sat on you know, stake in love. And I we said that was the moment you kind of have. In addition. I'm being a little facetious. But I'm not when you like we're on we're on, of course as eighty. You keep it. So that you know, it was I mean is beyond you pinch yourself. Yeah. I man, I think is a terrific. First name is a terrific movie and people need to calm down because controversy is stupid. And they should just see this wonderful film. You're missing out know that I'm angry. All I'm saying is such a great film. And I really hope more people see it. But a great ensemble. Of course ridiculous. Every time someone comes on screen. We kept punching each other every time someone comes on screen, you go all my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's me talk. You're talking about like stacking and just having everyone everyone and you're playing you're playing plano, real guy. Chris cuisine. I grew up with the space program. You know, how I was a kid. I I knew who those guys. Well, everybody knew Iraq stores. Right. They weren't. They were rock stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You know? It's interesting really talking to you. Because I mean, you get a chance to talk about some of these talents. And you start with Damian Chazelle. Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. This guy. I mean. He you know, he does three films. He's three for three three different films. And he again, you talk about someone who is in command in the material doesn't sleep. He's you know, he loves actors. So we started with that base. And we went down to Houston, and we went to Cape Canaveral, and you get a chance to really, you know, your the ultimate we talked about this earlier in Trevor trying to play at things in a play add anything, and so we got a chance to really drop in on these guys and in Damian allowed that and Damian wanted to do he wanted to put you of better the now, you know, he wanted to put you in that cockpit. Uh-huh. You wanted to put you in their succeeded. Yeah. Because most of the time, you you, you you you see these type of films, and they take off and it's like there's a little bit of rattling going on. But you don't really feel the inherent danger of what David, you know. And. And Gosling Ryan, you know, he was he was our, you know, our leader on this. And he went deep and clear, you know, give it just it's an incredible performance. So I love the film. I love it. And I think it's a tremendous film. And I think it's it's going to continue to have its day. You know? Yeah. I it's there it'll last and and it's there for all time for people to catch up with it who haven't. Yeah. I mean, of course, I I hope I would wish them to see it on a big screen. Yes. Yeah. You have to it's like the opening scene again giving nothing away you are put into rocket ships. You are put into these scenarios. Whether it's claustrophobia that you're feeling or just terror you feel it. And so it is a shame to see it on a small screen, but I will happily just have anybody. See it wherever they like. Thank you. Thank you. Because we're we're we're enormously. Proud of it. You know? Yeah. I and I seen Damian stuff. I remember seeing whiplash in this theater, and I stood up at the end. And I I was just an all of what he had done with that piece. You know again up. You know, viscerally. I just was watching that and couldn't and I'm not a musician. But I you know, I felt I felt in LaLa land. I'm not a real musical guy to be honest with you. But I saw just the stuff that he's doing with that, you know. Yeah. The pallet that he's working with colors and textures. And so he's I mean, he's he's going to go down. And he's he's a generational talent. Yak sometimes baby face throws people because he he just he looks like he's fifteen. But he's so smart, and he's passionate. He's smart. He's you know, what else he is is humble he's like Tim, and he's like Adam mckay's like these guys are Vern or t- Terry Malick like you. They're humble, I think that rules the day because they're the smartest guys in the room. But they don't try to show you their most commanded the material. They don't you know, he's Damian is he's incredible. That's what you want from the people that inspire you. Yeah. You know being talented is one thing, and that's nice. But being someone that has that effect. I, you know. You know, it's as acting is concerned on the big screen. I think that people. You know, there's a reason why take take Leo, for example, or or Julia Roberts, you see them. And they're they're good people in real life. You watch them around the crew you watch them with people. And so when you're up there, you have a respond, you, you know, some people you don't you have the officers much like, I don't know what it is. But I don't I don't really you go. I I like I like, I don't know what it is. And I think inherently, you know, and that's why it is. Well, that's why big movie stars or that way. And that humbleness you bring to think it matters. It does matter. It matters a lot. Well, you you have a lot of humility. And I it's it's it's part of your character and your character makeup. And we're so glad you could come and spend a little time with us today. We didn't cover nearly many movies. Too busy. I know. I was nervous. But I enjoyed it. I had a good time. So that we get to pull. Thank you. We get to see real real real thrill for me to to meet you all very, and then what you caught my projects. Rainbow Leonard Lewis. Your passion for films, you know, again from Sar. But yeah, yeah. I love I I don't know anymore. But I you've kept all these years. Oh, yeah. How do you sustain that? And I well my seeing films like as good as I man, that's one way. That's the main way. There's nothing I'll go to doldrums sometimes. But all it takes is a good movie to get me back on track. When you want to hear them, always attempt in this is Tim van Patten at my dearest friend. We go he we were talking one day. And I know we both that we I wanna I wanna die on a film set like John Houston oxygen canisters in my nose going out. You know, what I mean Houston used to just he was a brawler and he'd had that oxygen canisters with him. And he was he was just directed. And yet love you know, and I'm like. Down rain. Okay. Thank you. Are you a social media? I don't have any of a life. All right. And four kids. That's right. One of actor. Yeah. She's doing well doing well. You know, hopefully, you know, everything we've talking about rubs off from like the work. I wish that we should never says begins at home. Never forget that. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Again, am where can people find us money? You are at Leonard Maltin than I am at Jesse Maltin on Twitter and Instagram, and you can always go to Leonard Maltin dot com for movie reviews and book round ups and all kinds of good stuff. All true and true that we'll be back here next week with another great guest. Thanks for listening Maltin on movies is sponsored today by legion. And the first fan owned entertainment company. They've got a lot of good stuff going on. And you can learn about it at legion m dot com.

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The Importance of Remembering (Part 4)

Truth In Boots

34:42 min | 11 months ago

The Importance of Remembering (Part 4)

"You're listening to the truth and boots podcast join me as we searched the Bible for truth about our God for hope to encourage us to hard trials and struggles and per answers for anyone who questions say the truth of God's Word is not fragile impractical and only used on special occasions like a pair of Stiletto heels. God Okay so we've been studying Deuteronomy and Moses thesis for this entire book is found in Deuteronomy chapter four he has previously recorded in the book Genesis Exodus numbers that he's basically referring to in that phrase the God of your fathers this study has been encouraging to you and shows you just a glimpse of this powerful book and why I love it so much and remembers that God can give you the land so remember the God of your fathers there's so much packed in for five part promised I think it's a five-part promise God's making to Abraham here dot says I'm going to give you a land in the book but let's go back to the source in Genesis Chapter Twelve verse one now the Lord said to Abram go so go there if you're interested that is available now at the moment this podcast goes live and it is free to use into the God of your fathers Moses constantly reminds Israelites throughout the book of different things God has done so the God of Abraham I God chose Abraham Abraham did not choose God and he mentioned this was mentioned this and welcome back to the fourth part of the study in the book of Deuteronomy I hope that he also says he's going to give Abraham a great name a great reputation on the Earth GotTa Fathers Giving you today we're going to be looking at the last two points of Moses thesis remember who got is you it there's going to be a link to a study guy that I put together for the book of Ronnie now this is meant to be kind of a training course if you haven't Lee where you're living right now goto place you don't know and I'm GonNa give you a land for your own possession got also promises to give Abraham many descendants the first one and now Israel listened to the statutes in the rules that I am teaching you and do them but you may live and go in and take possession of the land that the Lord them but what I'd like to kind of debut as an overview right now is some of the things he highlights for them and some of the things that he more in depth and for those of you who have studied before it could be a great a great guy if you decide to study this book yourself if you want to study this book more I have the perfect opportunity for you in the show notes or on the website however you wanna go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to land I will show you and I will make of you a great nation and I will bless you and make your name great so that you will be a blessing Dan some in depth Bible study before this is some guidelines some examples on things you would do as you studied the Bible in Christ Abraham is going to be in the line of Christ and because of his descendant Christ all our bless those who bless you and him who dishonors you I will curse and in you all the families of the Earth shall be blessed now this is a God chose Abraham not because of any particular merit but because he just decided to we'll get to that point later but Abraham all the nations of the world will how patient and be blessed so that's God's promise to Abraham and was without any children his wife Sarah was barren and they were both really really old so genesis chapter seventeen and through Abraham all the families of the earth will be blessed I guess that's a four part counted correctly and that of course is ultimately fulfilled in chapter twenty one but God says he will give Sarah a son and the Abraham will have a son through and God promises twenty-one actually it's multiple places but ultimately a Isaacs born in Barron Sarah where Abraham was over a hundred years old and his wife was over ninety the god of Abraham there's so much more we could retest go sacrifice your only saw that I promised would be the source of all these but let's move onto the god of Isaac most often when you read through the penalty UC there's a reference to the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob at grandkids but got asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac but what I want you to note here is and Abraham is really old so Abraham could not overpower Isaac it's not like he's a genesis chapter twenty two Abraham is well over one hundred years old a lot of commentators agree that Isaac is at least in his teens. Those are the big three Patriarchs the god of Isaac God provided the Substitute Sacrifice Isaac remember that story God told Abraham is thirty year old man in his prime who could strap Isaac down onto this snow Isaac was will were to Burnham so most likely this is a strong strapping teenage young man because he has to be able to carry the would up a very steep mountain Anna's six year old boy is not GonNa have the strength to do that it has to be enough God came flip that came to pass and Isaac found a wife got also gave Isaac the promises of Abraham Rayed Lord let these circumstances happen and if this woman do such such thing then this is chapter twenty four you know the story of Isaac and Rebecca how Abraham sent a servant off to find a wife for Isaac and the servant that will be the woman for Isaac now this was being very sacrificial unwilling to do above and beyond anything that was asked of her and Genesis Chapter Twenty six versus two through five he says do not go down to Egypt dwell on the land of which I should tell you so Isaac also was showing some great faith in his God right bear God brought Isaac a wife in a very sovereign manager we had someone challenged me last year that Israel should not be living in the promised land right now because they were the promises were given to would be the source of many of these blessings through him all the nations be blessed he threw hand when you have a lot of grandkids and great so he gives these same promises to Isaac Point this out as a side note because I actually a once in a millennial or even one smell creation opportunity to see access into heaven sojourner this land and I will be with you and will bless you for to you and to your offspring I will give all these lands and I will establish the oath that I swore to Abraham Your father home from his brother I should say data mom sent him off to relatives and on his way there I mean that's pretty incredible and ride again they're God gives Jacob all same patriots so this is the God of Isaac God of Jacob Jacob had run away basically from he's sleeping in the middle of nowhere on Iraq at night and suddenly a staircase from heaven opens up it specifically mentioned that the land is going to be for his descendants and I think elsewhere in scripture it says that the land will be theirs forever I believe that's deuteronomy lean to be sacrificed he was a willing participant and he questions Abraham Battle but Abraham reminds Isaac the Lord will provide a sacrifice describing jacobs changing wages by Laban but no matter what happens God will dreams dreams of what will happen to him and his family in the future now is fairly Moxham but core promises verse Thirteen of Chapter Twenty Eight Genesis and behold the Lord stood above it and said they would be two men who served Phero Tell Joseph their dreams because Joseph has this gift from God ever you go and we'll bring you back this land I will not leave until I've done what I promised this is the God who opened Mahan for specific time and place and not for his descendants and definitely not for Isaac Jacob but as you can see here Isaac also got these promises and then Joseph is in that position to be able to save his family as he tells his brothers in just in dishonorable to a husband and then falsely accused so that Joseph would then be sent into prison on justly so that gives him quite a few sons this is also the God of Joseph Genesis Chapter Thirty seven God gives Joseph some amazing prophetic exodus chapter three is a phenomenal passage that God Joseph Remembers those dreams is the God of Joseph in Egypt and all the trials there but that was sovereign designed interpret these dreams one of these men makes it out and yes forgets about Joseph until exactly the right opportunity to mention Joseph to Pharaoh is actually showing part of his glory to Moses I mean he's there in a Bush presenting himself as up a stairway to heaven for Jacob to see is also the God that made the flocks prosper under Jacob's hand there's several chapters Frostburg Jacob because he promised and then ultimately he does bring Jacob back the Promised Land and I won't apply your offspring as the stars of Heaven and will give to your offspring all these lands an-and year offspring all the nations of the Earth shall be blessed so that Faira can have his own dream interpreted all of those small and yet not so small details of Joseph any affliction of my people who are in Egypt I've heard their cry I'm sending you bows back to Egypt to rescue my people so where the sacrificial lambs blood was not put on the door posts and then immediately after the Israelites were released from slavery in Egypt Forty One and then in turn Pharaoh made him ruler while Egypt just like Joseph Streams originally back in chapter thirty seven this is the God who fed Israel super naturally with Manna in Exodus Chapter Sixteen this is the God who created of your father the God of Abraham the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob and Moses hit his face and was afraid to look at God and then the Lord says I see a two blood that is spectacular miraculous incomprehensible the next plague was frogs there were this chapter forty six God sent me here to preserve much life he's the God of Joseph the God of the Exodus Israel complained in numbers chapter eleven and this is the God who guide Israel through the Wilderness for forty years without their clothing to bring Joseph yes into slavery yes raising him into Potter I house so that he could get the attention of a wife who was the the dirt that they walked actually dry this is the god who made bitter water sweet in Exodus Chapter Fifteen I'm the Lord the God of Abraham Your father the god of Isaac the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring your offspring show be like the dust of the earth and you shall apps they were flies only the Egyptians livestock died they were boils hail fell everywhere in Egypt except in Gauchan where the Israelites sent Moses to Egypt and the ten plagues he sent Moses to the water of the Nile and the water it's life brought him to the exact moment where he would have the ability to pharaoh that interpretation of his dreams in genesis chapter into blood cried off and we read over some of these miracles in the Old Testament relaxing I've heard that before but no the entire Nile turned fading refrain or wearing out Deuteronomy Chapter Seven Moses says to the people word like a pair of sturdy boots is meant to be put to work daily and is designed to protect us and help us through the mud streams and rocks of life in verse six fewer people holy to the Lord God the goddess chose the larger God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possessions the entire mountain shook and there was smoke and lightning and thunder this is the God who provided quayle when bring from nothing from a rock in exodus chapter seventeen this is the God who spoke directly to sign Israel at Sinai and now my clothing wears out in a couple of years but Israel with their clothing were able to survive forty years the Bible says without their clothing from this picture of a burning Bush is this glory coming from this Bush in exodus chapter three verse six he says I am the God God you serve and worship verse nine in Chapter Seven says therefore that the Lord no that the large let me start that again I brought them through the Red Sea a deep sea he parted them the waters that there is a wall of water on each side exit assess and the land no therefore that the larger got is God the Faithful God who keeps covenant and Steadfast Love with those who love him and keep his commandments with thousand abroad the West to the east and the north to the south and in you and your offspring shall all the families of the Earth be blessed behold I am with you and we'll keep you tipped there were locus there was darkness everywhere in Egypt except in Gauchan with Israelites lived there was the death of the firstborn of any POWs Andrew from the House of slavery from Egypt this God the God of your fathers the God who's done all these miracles to bring you to this point he's the all peoples but is because the Lord loves you and is keeping his oath that he swore to your fathers that the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand and reduced doc all the peoples who are on the face there it was not because you're more a number that any other people that the Lord set his love on you and chose you fe- with a few careful to do the commandments and the statutes in the rules that commander today why should you obey because God who's done nations and repays the face those who hate him by destroying them he will not be slack with the ones who hate him he will repay him to his face he shall therefore be that is the one who asks you to keep his commandments now also God will give you this Land Moses is faithful he keeps his covenant and he repays and punishes those who don't see you better keep his commandment says that remember listener Israel to the statutes in the rules of teaching you obey these rules and I'm skipping ahead quite a bit because there's so many references here chapter Tan versus fourteen through fifteen behold the larger gob along Heaven and the Heaven of heavens fear to them that you may live and go take possession of the land that the Lord the God of your fathers is giving you this God the God of Abraham the God of is cut this is not just a a threat it's a motivation this God the God who's done so much for you them don't be afraid and again in Verse Twenty One you shall not be dread of them for the lower season God overpowered the most powerful nation on earth Egypt these people that are going into conquer are nothing compared as told me to do this but I can't and so Moses reminds them constantly throughout the book just some examples chapter one verse thirty the God of Jacob Goddard Joseph the God of the exodus the God that brought you through all these plagues all these trials gave Umana out of nothing that is it's kind of incredulous that we come up against some opposition that we think in our own power oh no I can't do this God thirty six from era which is on the edge of the Valley of Arnon from the city that is in the valley is far as Gilead there was not a city too high for us to Lord God who is going to give you the land remember Hugh Got Career God is in chapter seven verses seventeen through eighteen Roger God is in your midst a great f awesome God the Lord Your God will clearer way these nations before you little by little so all that is in it yet the Lord has set his heart in love on your father's and chose

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The Football Coach Who Became An ER Nurse

The Lead

18:44 min | 3 weeks ago

The Football Coach Who Became An ER Nurse

"This spring, a college football coach made a really bold decision Alex Charleston is passionate about football, but the coronavirus pandemic is taking him from the Gridiron to the Frontline Alex. Charlton left his coaching job to work as a nurse in Manhattan at the of the pandemic in New, York. Today! The Athletics Chris Vini tells us his story. When he told his dad he was going, dad responded. Are You F ING raising? But Alex just felt this is what he wanted to do. We wanted to take on the risk. From wondering and the athletic I'm under skelter, and I'm the Davidson. It's Friday July seventeenth, and this is the lead. It felt like something was. There is something about the emotion and. The past. Because This is in a story rear the. It stays with you. Summer is a bit different this year, festivals, weddings, or even just branching with friends I'll feel like a thing of the past, but that doesn't mean summer is canceled it still out there. 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This summer you can learn a little about the economy while you relax at the beach. It's planet. Money Summer School and Economics Course for your ears will eat audio classes. One released every Wednesday featuring our favorite planet money stories and lessons from some of the world's most charming economists, economics, not about money to wins of great power and beauty. Amuse your friends win arguments throw the words diminishing marginal utility into every discussion. Listen now to planet money from NPR. So Chris who is Alex Charlton? He is a graduate assistant football coach at Midwestern State, a division two school in Wichita. Falls Texas. He's in his late Twenties he first started coaching as a student at the University of Kansas in two thousand nine, and he's been trying to find his break in the coaching world, Britain, which ever since as changed from back in the day. You know my dream was always be the head coach. Of University Kansas and obviously coach chiefs as well, and you know those are my local programs born and raised in Kansas City, and so he's been coaching for while trying to find that big break to get a bigger coaching job in right now. It's taking him to a division two school so this spring after covid nineteen became this global pandemic that we're still in. Charleston became a national story. A twenty nine year old overland park men had just landed his dream job as a football coach the first week of March, but he now finds himself in the middle of a nightmare inside of a busy hospital in New York so he arrived at mid western state in early March he had been working at a nursing job, but was trying to stay in coaching around that time he had. Had heard about the corona virus covid nineteen. It was becoming a bigger story. It was when I was down in Texas and we were probably just beginning with cracks number five, and I think it was the day before, and they had cancelled the NCAA tournament, or there was talk about it. Being canceled the NCWA making it official. The NCAA tournament has been canceled for twenty twenty. This decision is based on the involving Kovin. Public Health Threat and realized that this was going to be a big problem, and he told the coaches at been western state that they probably weren't gonNA come back to campus after spring break so when everybody got sent home, he decided he wanted to go help. Huge outbreak breaking in in the northeast, and you know I called my coach and was like. Are you okay if I go to New York and and help out. There I've got a nursing degree I WANNA help, and I feel like I should help, so he looked up a traveling nursing agencies. They hire nurses on kind of short term contracts and send them to different places across the country, and he signed up to go to New York City which was the absolute epicenter in the United States at that time, and within a week of being on the football field, he was heading to New York to fight the pandemic. What did he tell you about what compelled him to go? He just wanted to help talking to my girlfriend, and and we were reading about all these. The crisis is in New York and New Jersey about basically being overrun with patients and. Nurses. Working six shifts a week I just immediately thought to myself that I need to get out there and help New York, the scene, reminiscent of nine eleven, a makeshift morgue setup outside a hospital ready for an influx of bodies. New York City is now the epicenter of the American outbreak with a third all cases. When he told his dad he was going. Is Dad responded? Are you F- in crazy but Alex just felt this was what he wanted to do. We wanted to take on the risk. That guy talked. You just goes. Hey, why we're hiring you right? And I said Yes cove in nineteen and he goes. That's exactly right, but I wanNA make one thing clear to you. it's. It's bad up here and I don't I. WanNa make sure that you're mentally prepared handled this. Because you're on the front lines of the front lines, and and it's not pretty up here, so he ends up at Mount Sinai, Beth, Israel, hospital in Lower Manhattan. What's he doing once? He's there. What's exact job? He is in the coverted section of the emergency room, helping the doctors helping patients trying to make them feel better, because it's not, it's not like a typical yard visit. Everybody is walking around in what almost looked like space suits because of how contagious viruses family aren't allowed inside, and so he was there to take care people, but also to comfort them as well because they had nobody else who could really support them. You wrote about his first patient woman in her sixties. Which really hit home? Just how serious this whole thing was! Yeah, this hit him pretty quickly. She had medical issues and our past, but nothing extreme. In and requires oxygen support in an hour later. They're talking to her about incubating her putting her on a ventilator, doctors talk to her about possibly sending a do not resuscitate form if Things take a turn for the worse and just being the. Fear in her eyes. And not having family around and. Having to make these kind of and. I mean age sixty. You know. Sixty years is a pretty young age. To be thinking about those kind of things, then that was my first patient. That's when it really hit me like. Wow, this virus. Pick the right person and they can do a lot of things. You, know every time you know you would maybe feel down. He'd remembered that you know the people he was. Dealing with had to deal with a lot more, there were many times. He said he would just find himself holding somebody's hand. Who needed that moment of support? For the person because they're going through all this, but they don't have family around this. We don't let family in. And you know we get out our cell phones. All the nurses do a good job of getting out their cell phones, letting the patient talk to their family you through the phone and they were able to. You know obviously if you ventilator down your service hard to do that. What was the most difficult part of the experience for him? The people who? Didn't have family didn't have people to talk to seeing people alone in the room was the hard thing, and so I've got patients all the time like I said it's get one in. Get One out and you're always full and. and seeing these people who are really sick and are fighting for their lives and. They didn't know they had their last conversation at home with whoever family member I mean. I teared up a few few times because. You got the patient there. WHO's here in further life and they're really sick and then you hear that the the end on the person on the other side of the phone been. Telling their family member to be strong to hang in. There that they love them in that pay. Thinking of them, a lot of talk about the virus has been about the numbers and cases going up and down and effects on the economy from a numbers perspective. But this is really a human tragedy after human tragedy, especially being on the inside, you know they're not a lot of images. Coming out of Newark, hospital is at the time so only the people on the inside were the ones who were fully experiencing the same. There's a refrigerated truck outside the main entrance in that truck is to you know where you? Put bodies because the more is getting overflow, and you know it's New York. It's a big city. There's several hospitals so and passed several hospitals along my way to work every day. Trucks and tens outside of every hospital. Chris. It sounds like even these really difficult circumstances. Alex did have a moment of brightness at the end of many days. Can you tell us about that? He worked seven am to seven, pm so get off at seven, and at that time in New, York when clock Struck, seven people would lean out their windows in just cheer for medical workers. Clap Yell, Bang, pots and pans. It may have felt a little bit Corny to people on the outside, but Alex told me really affected him. So Mark I day. They're not getting off work and I'm walking to. Union Square to get on the subway and I'm walking down the street. And all of sudden all these people stop and stare being just turn quadrennium. Cheering for being you know you're going down a parade. Thirty four stories from these tall skyscrapers and people would be cheering and obviously new. York is a place where a lot of people are living on top of each other. When everybody had to stay inside for a city, that's always bustling and moving. Alex said it felt like a ghost town when he got there and to hear this noise at seven PM. That everybody was cheering for the medical workers. Everybody doing what they could. It was a little extra bit of support, not not that they needed that support to do what they were doing. Obviously, but he was a little. Pick me up everyday day. That kind of helped him. From? Then after each day, or whenever he had a free moment, he turned back to football. Yeah, despite you know leaving the team in everything, he was doing in new. York, he still wanted to be a coach. She still wanted to be involved with the Midwestern state football team. Sometimes he popped into a staff meeting on zoom during his lunch break if you had time so I, would you know throw my headphones on in the break room and in blessing to the staff meetings? I. Would you know watch recruit films? Sit Up recruits when I could you know do whatever I can do to help. Do whatever he could to help the coaches. He would do that for a few hours every night. His parents said it was sometimes hard to hear back from him on on how we was doing because he was always doing something whether it was working as a nurse or working on football as well at night. Are there any lapse in the skills between? Coaching football or being in the football world and the medical profession. It's a relationship business is what coaching is. You have to be able to have good relationships with your players. Especially nowadays, the coaches you yell and scream at everybody those don't work anymore. You have to get people on the same page. You have to show support for your players. And that's where the coaching came in for what he was doing as a nurse. Those personal interactions with the patients telling them if they're going to be okay convincing them, what the right thing to do is explaining difficult complicated situation in a more simple easier to understand way. Those were some of the skills. He took from coaching to nursing. It really came down to just communication. How did Alex's stint in New York come to an end. By late April early May the numbers in New York were dropping quite sharply. Corona virus numbers are down in New York stage, according to Governor Cuomo. The total number of hospitalizations in the state fell to fourteen, thousand, two hundred, the number of new infections and new hospitalizations have also slightly decreased formed by the end of May. They just didn't need that. Many nurses anymore. Just two months were up in a lot of nurses. Sent home or sent elsewhere if they wanted to keep working, Alex said the people at the hospital Beth Israel said there was a potential for a fulltime job. If you wanted to stay, but he wanted to. Coach told them that I. I couldn't just because football is still my passion, and you know I told him. I really would consider it, but. You know where I want my future to be. He's been trying for a decade now to be a coach. This is kind of maybe his last and once college football teams got back together in June. He was back at it. At Midwestern state breaking down film, planting camps, working with coaches and loving every minute of it in. The culpable season is uncertain. We don't know if it's going to be played. A number of conferences and divisions have already scrapped fall football, but as for now he's coaching wallet can't because it's his dream in the still trying to live out that final dream of coaching, there's an old adage that the only people crazy enough to run to a fire, our policemen, firemen, journalists and healthcare workers. Should we add college football coaches to that list well at least Alex. you know he's even when he's gotten back in coaching. Part of feels bad that he's not still doing. This is not in elsewhere in Texas Arizona, Florida, some of the other hotspots. If the college season doesn't happen, he's probably GONNA. Go back and do this again. No absolutely jump back in and I mean I've been talking to my girlfriend and we've already been planning on me going to Texas Arizona with What's going on right now or Florida? Those seem to be kind of the hotspot, so so absolutely I mean there's there's no doubt about that. I'll be gone there to help in in. You know obviously not many football coaches have a background a medical background in nursing. Something to so he. He's really using all the skills and. Lessons? He's learned throughout his life to do what he can to help us and finally Chris. What do you think Alex Charlton took away from this experience? It really emphasize the importance of. Relationships. Just made me. Value my relationship with people. Because tomorrow's never guaranteed and. Mid made me want to get to know my fellow coaches better. You know all the players on the game. Just the one relievers when he got back, he realized he wanted to get the. No, the coaches better you wanted to get the no the other players better. He worked with the wide receivers, but now he wants to get to know all the other players better because that's what he took away from this was. Human interactions when those patients couldn't talk with their families and the only person I could talk to was a nurse to set human-to-human conversation communication empathy. That's the biggest thing he's taken back since he spent those two months in New York. Chris thank you so much for joining us and telling us this beautiful story victory. You can read Chris Any Story About Alex Charlton at the athletic. Dot Com. Thanks for listening this week or senior producer is Matt Strap production assistants in fact, checking by IAN, Hurley, sound design and mixing by white on Onlin. Aaron May and Joe Richardson. Our theme song was composed by Lindsey. Graham our editorial director is me could beat the Davidson. Our executive producer is under scelzo. 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WFH Style to WTF Now?  Back-to-work Fashion Tips

Art Beauty

27:11 min | Last month

WFH Style to WTF Now? Back-to-work Fashion Tips

"You can never be Tabuchi here. So by the way I just want to admit something fill out. I was about to get changed and I thought. That would be really disingenuous for most of our podcast will get dressed up, but the point of this podcast today is that most of us have been like hanging out in sweats, and so I got that if I came on, and was like Uber Fancy, that that would be kind of like me, living ally which I. Everybody's a little bit. Top unsure. Jacket with shoulder pads because. Our stance shown a little five there I mean it is so hot right now today. I have to be honest I think it's going to be really hard to like get back to to to. Were you are right now? I mean I did leave the house for. A couple of hours the other day, and was just looking at my closet What, now because it's so hard to transition I. Man I. Did I'm going to admit it I did gain a little weight I mean hello, we all did. The weather change like that. It's like eighty five degrees outside. I saw. Genes. That is. A lot from you right now. Somebody told me that they call them hard pants. A woman that we interviewed and I'm just laughing because I think that look just like a lot of people I gained the weight because I haven't gone out in anything that doesn't have an elastic waistband, and did the same thing. Girl I looked at my closet, and I actually changed out my winter clothes to my summer clothes, but it's like. I keep waiting to have somewhere to go. And I feel like by the time. Yeah, totally. You know before we go any further. For everybody who is at home? Welcome to the show so excited to see you all today. My Fabulous Gorgeous Uber stylist co host, is she can? She is a VIP digital stylist for Neiman, Marcus and Bergdorf and I mean yes. Just everything you've got going on. There is fabulous. We actually met because I will occasionally shop at Neiman Marcus. You guys heard. We talked about it before, and you reached out to me actually. Neiman Marcus was offering this VIP styling service and I figured what the Hey. and. That's how we met. And can I tell you grow? Your instagram is so phenomenal. Adjust, can't it is so much? Honestly I love it and the creativity is what keeps me going because I could never be at a job that I wasn't passionate about the product or That I couldn't create anything I mean I think that's just like you and your job like able to create, and it's so much fun. But now have you always had like a great eye for fashion? Is that something that you were taught or that? You feel like you're just born with. Not Out now. My Mom. Soon worth fashion. To put things together where I would never think I, could do and I was really bad at that, but I mean you grow into your own style and anything anyone where it's not wrong a righty, right you know everyone has a different taste, and as long as it makes, you feel great, and that's really what counts now on not feeling good, you know we have been talking to so many people and. The fact that we've got this hen damage were starting to come out of it, but I find across the board, so many people are like feeling down right. It's been this total change of life like you said so. Many of us have put on weight I mean just this week. I was like it is time to kick this into high gear. Because your put on those shorts and I mean they fit, but they didn't fit. If you know about you, know our top Boston now. I'm sure. Is there a classy way to pull off sweats really? Now I mean that's a No. Thank. God swats have been a trend because if like really tight, any genes are short. Shorts have been a trend like I would die. But I mean you can pull it off. oversize razors like the eighties are back which. I'm like I love. That movie can't buy me love way that like the star dresses like ever since I was little, I was like. I want to dress like that. No matter what decade wherein so, thank God for oversized things because I mean that's what's going to get us through. Because all of those things you can wear a lifetime. So okay on the oversized tip though you know. Are there ways because I feel like sometimes it can look like you are just drowning. There's a difference Oh! Yeah or just like that looks way too big on you or you're wearing. Not that this is bad at all, but like you know like your older sister, handed you down something and it just. I mean you'd I definitely have to match it with something, tight or colorful for like shored? If you're wearing an oversized ways I, would definitely wear with shorts or skirt or address just so you can see your shave. I'm wearing sweats. You have to like talk in your. Baggy shirt or other sweater to like make sure it shows her waist. accessorize it to make it look like it's elevated. Yeah I've been like you know trying to figure out like. What is this transition GonNa? Be For me when I finally do go back office. Hard thing is right now to is that we don't have firm dates here in New York. I know other places in the world. Start to open up people already back at work but for. New. York City folk who are still working offices? We don't have a firm date and so I just. It's been hard to sort of pick and plan. What I'm going to buy, but I did just invest in a fabulous belt. Also because I haven't spent any money on anything, so I was like he's some. I saw a girl on it was either intermediate was on Amazon. She had this twenty dollar. Shirt Amazon dress with a Gucci Bell and I was like Yes y'all could a million bucks because she could wear this like sized kind of t shirt, dress and still look fabulous. So, do you think that in terms of like trying to? Shop Right now. Maybe they're certain key pieces that we should be investing in. Definitely, staple piece says I man I. Wear a lot of basic basic clothing because I'll throw on a novelty piecyk. A jacket or shoes are great piece for a statement, but I do invest in really great basic pieces because. The way air. So, long I would buy lower like t shirts and sweaters in the neutral colors, but then I would have to throw them out just because of the material so now I invest in staples and. They're like a uniform that you can change up all the time with. Donna more high waisted trousers for work in like on a blazer and easy summer addresses right now are great, because it's so hot and you don't WanNa. Think about an outfit jumped to Romper. Address is easy. You're out the door and you know when you mentioned that blaze before you can take something even working in. Let me backtrack. I've worked in corporate. Invent environments I've worked. From Home I've worked in more casual creative environments and I find that you can take that same like you were saying. Let's you've got a summer dress. And certainly you know if you're going into corporate environment throwing on a blazer as you mentioned even maybe belting it depending on with that summer dress will really take it from something that is. Too Casual to. Elevate it! Yeah No, for sure and a lot of people look on like instagram. See all these influencers wear these. Crazy outfits in it looked so great in that picture and I now that I buy them, and I put them on, and I'm like wait, I look ridiculous. Pass like this also. There's like certain things that you buy. Sometimes you're like this is fabulous. If I never sit down, right. Because the second you sit or move, it's going to wrinkle. It's Kinda like. Or Suck you in here, okay so. We've all been in sweats. Where do we like wh? where I don't know I'm just kind of freaking out. You said that you're looking in your closet in like. Oh? What's a girl to do right now, call. You got obviously. So I man, I'll throw on like those those joggers and like shorts that we have with elastic. Like a linen top, or if I needed, address it up I would throw on like. Heels and make. A blouse untuckit in I mean. Now like this slouch e effort less luck I mean never got out with the silks. You see like all those models in. All these. Women that are like talking on like. like ten and things like that. I always like with flowing outfits, and they look like super. Just even if you do sit down at your office, Right GonNa Roco. How how do we wear silk in the summer? Really I get it one zero in an air conditioned office, but if you're like you know having to walk, or commute or God, forbid get on a hot sweaty subway car. Silk is not. The fake silk right like. And like polyester, love silk, and or like just a percentage of silk because. Yeah, it has be breathable by an I know. It's harder for people to go on like the websites right now, because e commerce is how we're shopping currently. Now. Looking at the the fabrication of items is difficult for people. Because they needed to touch it, we will don't know why. Like, but thank God like there are there is customers digital stylists That will help anyone with anything like whenever clients come to me. I find that where they live. What the weather's like what they do for a living, if their mom if they're working in or bread or anything like that and. You know for example. I'm not gonNA give a mom like. ESTA LETO. Sneakers right now and I and I have clients from Arizona and the Camps York to like shop and we had an appointment and. I'm not gonna read these crazy outfits that you're wearing in Manhattan just walking around going to Brunch. gave the uniform officers. I love this, but people don't make fun of me for wearing this because we're so casual during the day. Dressing Yourself I. that's one thing I gotta say. A love about this city is that you can really? Wear whatever you want and most part people are just gonNA. Like embrace it. They may not like it, but they're gonNA. Let you do your thing and if you can rocket with confidence. Then like it's. Where you are going to wear A. Dress! So as long as feel good, you can wear whatever you want and when she said that like. Who Cares about people to you love it and she's like yeah, and I was like okay. where it going to the grocery store doesn't matter and at and I spoke spoken two clients now that they're like behind things and. I can't wait to wear it. which is great because they're looking forward to wearing all of these pieces. Even though he did gain a little weight or here, and there I mean it's GonNa. Fall off, especially excited. Things now. All right so when it comes to, you mentioned joggers before. Is that something that you have to be? Uber, skinny to wear right so I'm sure and I'm a curvy girl. Right and I'm definitely built I say a biker I've got thicker thighs And I love the Jogger luck, but to be honest. I've never been able to really feel like it works on me. Is there a certain type? That works for jogger or just being crazy. You would have to get as I have the same issue. You have to get like just like a thinner jogging sweats. Charge. It's like more of a silky kind of slowly jogger pant that been, and to make you to make you look leaner taller in them because they are Los Lachey. Like a tiny healer chunking ledger like not attack you watch. A, Chunky, blocked or something that's comfortable for you to run around and or a booty. Need. We need a little high. Oh! I know! My mother used right. It's like better or is it? My Grandmother said it's better to be in a little pain at the end of the day then painfully short. It was my grandma. 'cause my. Sky High I got grandma's. I have like the thing is as I have these like. Great I actually have a lot of shoots shoes visa great chunky shoes that I can run around in their Brazilian company. They're they're awesome. I can wear them to work. I'd like on the subway. That's what I dread is like. Is GonNa. Take me to the subway and back home. To order an Uber like I'm not going to do it so. I'm not to carry around flats with me and sneakers right. I love the sneaker lock. It's suicide. It's cute I. Feel like I have a whole. It's taken me I just turned forty and I finally just threw. This covid epidemic got rid of all the shoes that I'm like I'm just never gonNA wear like four inch heels again. I'm just not like. It's not constable for me. as pretty as they are, and his hard as it was to give them up, it's just not. Not, happy and especially here in the city. You can't get around They're just not practical. In terms of like. Going back to your instagram. Would you have together like the most fabulous outfits? But being considered the fact that you know unemployment is at an all time high. Do you. Do you have to spend? It looks like let me go this. What does the average price of one of those whole alphabets we've got to talking? Soi. That's it, no, said Gotcha. Well, Cost affects, and then it goes on sale right now. The pandemic itself after sale and great right now for all those investment pieces, because those high brands are forever and they're recyclable. Name in I wanNA. Point out to people to that your services as a VIP digital stylus. You don't charge for them working human and. One of the big benefits I talked to a lot of people in our like. I can't afford it. I, don't know, but you've actually sent me. Hey, here's something that's going on sale right now I'm going to give you a preview, so i. mean that is reason enough for most people to like? Reach out and take advantage of the services. Oh, a thousand percent! percent and all I. I now saw. Those efforts are higher Christ, but if they're like I like this outfit I want to replicate. Ask are lower price. We can totally do that. I don't see for saying that you know the Chanel bathing suit. Everything like Chanel, I was like Oh my God. That outfit looks like a million bucks Probably it is. Sure, it might be sold out because Chanel goes. We can always take those things to make it. Look they even even when I when I look at like. Those runway shows right because I mean that's where that's where we get inspiration from so all those inspirations it can be replicated in lower priced. Just like you were talking about accessorising we can, we can invest in like small accessories like Chanel. Bengal like earrings like two hundred fifty dollars, but you can wear every day. I remember I was purchasing Jacket like a puffer coat and. They're expensive like nicely, yeah! I remember my my boyfriend was. Asking me. Why do you mean to spend like this much money on co? And I remember I was like I live in New York I don't roll up in a car why? com with my jacket, so I need to spend money on this jacket number one because of the warm. You because this is what I have to show up in, and it's an investment I'm wearing this every day every day. A day, yeah, dollar per day absolutely and will last for a long time. Know, the other thing. I, WANNA point. You brought up a good point I'm a believer of like. Spend the money on the things that you can get a lot of use out of and then don't be afraid to use them. I have to remind myself of that like all. Save my husband for Christmas. Last year bought me this hot, Pink Valentino bag and surprise I. Love Valentino and hot pink color and. But I found that. I've been like so afraid to bring it out and I need to keep reminding myself like you've got to like. Wear your stuff and love your stuff and use your stuff. Yeah no sure and he any time because I mean. We work hard for our money so like it's. Like really really hard like might God like I want this. I feel bad about spending this within. I'm thinking okay. Let me divide it. How many days I'm GonNa wear it and like okay. That's like starbucks every day like I write. anyways, you know saw. Or minus so capsules like all. Spend it so an I guess so happy because I love my purchases. I know but a lot of people don't know what to invest in. Right, at true I got that question a lot from clients like knowing what to buy and. I'm telling you staples things every day like no shoes. You're talking about this comfortable shoes. Those joggers that doesn't matter if it's that time of the month are what's going on like and you WanNa, throw it on and look cute like bats investments. You jackets amazing. That elevates the Al. Fayed, like small pieces of jewelry, those accessories that we were talking about like with a white t shirt and jeans. I like that and make that hot pink bag is GONNA. Make your outfit you 'cause. You can literally go out in like. which have like you know your black spandex running a shirt put. That pink bag is like okay. She looks put together enough. Of Kinda. Why are you wearing your mic workout off now? Like work at outfits? They're like fashionable. Don't you love that I've dangerous with? I know, but at the same time it'll keep you skinny because those tights. On my okay wait, let's. See I don't know about that. Isolated feel like the the like the elastic, even though it's like tight, the fact that it's. Stretchy. You don't realize like those incremental insurance there. Yeah, I'm terrified of my jeans I've put them away, not going to address them until twenty and. I think we all are at this point. I thought you said that, and thank you for keeping it real because you know what I think that again, it's like we need to be reminded right now. That everybody's going through his even people who like this is your job and your life is about fashion, and that you walk into your closet some days and think. Oh what after I just do? So short for people who are considering your services considering getting the services of a stylus. You know what? How does that work like what is the average spend you know, should we? Should people be embarrassed if they can't spend thousands and thousands of dollars? What is your? Take on that all I have clients that will only buy. Socks sometimes, there's no. Can carry like some clients are like you know I like this brand. This brand and they're they're not high. They're like twenty dollars shirts, and you know our have this budget, and and it's fine like That's our job. Okay now and. What are the budgets range? Okay, so the budgets range say someone's. Like if someone wants to go like I want to buy something for instant gratification like I wanna, make you know. They can range from. 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Things, you can start prepping for me. I used to like some fun vacations, and I feel like I've got that beachwear. That's like ultra glamorous and you know do covered right now. I'm going to be spending a lot of time at. The local shore here so. Start just thinking about that in the back of your head on. Yeah, already. As ING shed. Thank you so much. So I think that you had some really great tips. In terms of you know dressing up some of the Slouch, he stuff. Let's not be freaking out about like you know W.. T. F. DO I do now. because I've been W F H. If people WANNA. Find you if they have questions for you. What's the best way to reach you? You can can go on instagram. And like the our combat and my cell phone number might emails on their also so. And just at your instagram handle is style fly shop. and S H E B everybody you have to go immediately. I love to put those together. Yourself Yeah I. quit bouncing other myself. 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Will We Remember the Titans?

The Lead

25:47 min | 7 months ago

Will We Remember the Titans?

"The the titans came into the playoffs as a long shot wildcard team but after after knocking off the Patriots and the Ravens. Derrick Henry and Tennessee are the biggest surprise of the postseason. Look every single one of us in here. Aw Are they talking about the titans. Are Now one win away from the Super Bowl and in a league where passing king. They're winning with a lot of old school smash mouth football run the football and play defense. Derrick Henry is six foot twelve twelve seven hundred runs over it. He's wanted today. We're talking with Joe Rexroad of the athletic about how the titans have pulled pulled off this unlikely run and just how far they can go. We're going to go out all love you believe. And he told them we all. We got all three food from wondering athletic. I'm could beat the Davidson and I'm UNDERSCO. It's Friday January seventeenth and this. This is the lead. It felt like something great. Half there is something of emotion it was not you never seen. This isn't a story interview. The affluent sleep it stays with you with the capital one unsavory card. You earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment. That means four percent on milkshakes with the kids in four percent on music with your pals you also earn two percent cashback at grocery stores in one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in capital one. What's in your wallet terms? Apply all right. Well let's jump bright into it Joe. A lot of people are surprised at the titans right now and maybe they don't take the titans too seriously but let's not forget. This is a franchise un-chinese that has been extremely close to winning it. All Walk Us Down Memory Lane and remind US twenty years ago the Music City Miracle in sixteen seconds left they still have a prayer but not much more apt to music city miracle to beat the bills. You know unbelievable kickoff kickoff return lateral to Kevin Dyson you know goes down. The left sideline on touch taken by. Neil he gives it the white check wide check and we'll go forward. The that led to you know really a an improbable run. A lot of people thought they'd be better this year but this much better. The Titans are in the Super Bowl and boomer I and you know there were a a yard away from beating that great. Kurt Warner Saint Louis. Rams team came in the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Probably the final play of the game. In Regulation Dyson UNCANNY. He can I think at that point. A lot of people around Nashville said well won't be long. We'll we're back and we'll we'll get that extra yard and they're still waiting and one of the centerpieces of that Titans Titans team from twenty years ago. Was the running back at George. Can you just quickly remind us about Eddie. And how important he was to that team in the Super Bowl. Run of ninety nine with the conic play other than the music city. Miracle would be his long touchdown. Run at Indianapolis really really. That was the turning point of that game up the middle. It's you know he's been a friend of Derek. Henry's throughout Henry's time here and Henry last year really really gave Eddie George Credit for Kinda turn his career around and and giving him some very frank words about how he needed to play. Derrick Gerakan resentenced. Exactly what I needed to hear. I needed someone to not tell me I was the greatest player ever to tell me that was soft and it's worked and George was ob one it's like Eddie still still gets a game ball all these years later for the titans so I think they're gonNA right around. The time hoped pat conversation and not long after Derrick. Henry had a nine yard run against the Jacksonville. Jaguars agores nine yards for the touchdown. Unbelievable since then I'd say he's been the best running back in the NFL so he credits at George with lighting this fire under him. How do you describe Derrick Henry as a player? I've never seen anything quite like him again. Six three to forty seven all muscle incredibly powerful full but you know he gets a seam and he can outrun a lot of defensive backs in this league you know he had a sixty six yard at Baltimore. Green Marine handles the contact Derrick Henry thick man takes even before for this consistent run he would have a big play here and there but it was kind of like he was always looking for the big play. Now it's like he wants to play power football all he will get four yards when there are two yards or get two yards when there's nothing till keep battering at a defense and then eventually it will pop for them and and it's amazing. How fast is that? He's not exactly like anyone that I can think of. Who has played the position the NFL and you know he is now the only running running back ever to have three straight games of one hundred eighty yards or more playoff or regular season that would be the entire NFL or as long longest rush eighty yards? Well it's clear that Henry is walking around with a lot of confidence right now after the huge win over the Ravens in the middle of Post Game TV interview. He threw some trash. Talk at Baltimore Safety Earl Thomas Stopping mid-sentence to say good shit errol we'll come out here and work that's mindset focus on finishing nearly nearly first of all the funny thing is I've actually seen on twitter. Some people thought he said eat instead of good so there are some eat bleep earl t-shirts floating around That's not very good but you know he also said he talked to Earl Thomas on the field you know. He had a long run and he got a couple stiff arms and the second one was almost like a little little extra shove in the back. Henry takes it to the outside the stiff arm twice on Thomas and he's out of bounds for so Durkin Rosacea and what he said he was doing you. You know saying how you doing early. So yeah the titans try to avoid the pre-game trash talk. I mean that's also of thing that Mike Table Hammers home but they let loose a little bit after this game on some things roll. Thomas had said it seems like some of the team swagger does trickle down from head coach Mike Free bottle who's in his second year the titans. How would you describe his personality and His coaching style? Anyone who's a hard knocks fan may remember a few years ago when the Houston Texans were featured. And I'd say Mike Vrabel Kinda stole that season Mac toggle you get the air you to out. Get your debt. You got a corner just Gordon. You're out of the game. I'm sorry so trail I think the only person in hard knocks history to other more bombs on hard knocks would probably be rex Ryan in the In the jets season but so able very colorful guy very frank. Frank guy very fiery guy play reckless by smart instinctive and reckless good combination pushing the hall Fang. He is widely. I think light and respected in the locker room. I think he has a he. Strikes a really good balance with the players L. Joke around. They believe he has their best interests at heart but he can also you know he can be very vocally and be tough but around the players can say they're you know they respect him that he wasn't that long ago. Oh he was in the league so they know he can understand them. Maybe more than a lot of coaches in this league and course Patriots fans remember me. You know he was kind of a special teams guy with the steelers out of Ohio State but bill belichick gave them a chance to come in and start pretty soon. He's a captain with the Patriots. And just you know fan. Favourite coach coach favorite belichick. Semi's a player you know. He's he's going to be a great coach someday right well. An early on this season didn't look like a great coach. You know the titans started without losing four of their first six games and they were clearly a team looking for answers. You know right now. I'm trying to lead a football team and They're disappointed just like I. AM and I. And I don't sit there and prepare speeches to talk to a team after we lose and so I said the only way we're going to do is we're gonNA stay together and we're going it'll get better and during this time. They're struggling their word. Some plays where rebels leadership was being questioned but also just his play calling was was is being second-guessed usually label has been you know he's aired on the side of aggressive that happened in Atlanta. They want an Atlanta but up two touchdowns in the fourth quarter order. A chip shot field goal. Fable decided to go for it. They got stopped on fourth down and that kind of opened the door and he actually said the next week you know. He regretted regretted that one. That was one of those. where you you go up seventeen and it's pretty much over a big one and this was in a win against Tampa Bay? He called for for a fake field goal late in the game with Punter Brett Kern running and he got just leveled forty six yard. Try and it's a faith awesome call fake and they're not gonNa sit down at the twenty seven yard line Devon. Actually fooled in it was returned. For what would have been the winning touchdown but the whistle had blown so that saved the titans from that but it was kind of like a string there where it was every week. There was awesome discussion of some kind of decision variable had made well during their week. Six Game I mean titans really bottomed out there on their way to getting being shut out by the broncos and in the third quarter of that game free will makes a big coaching decision. And we do have a quarterback change is Ryan Tannehill. It's coming into the game. He's kneel down twice this year yet to throw a pass in a titans uniform acquired in a trade with Miami and marks. What do you think the decision decision to pull more when I made the decision to bench? Marcus Mariota former number two. Pick for Ryan Tannehill. How is that decision received in Tennessee? The move from Oreo Tannahill after six weeks also not widely popular in Nashville. A lot of people are saying okay. We'll TANNEHILL HILLS GONNA come in there and he's going to have the same bad protection and the offense is going to be just as bad. Look at Tannen hills career record at Miami. It's basically around the same kind of numbers as Mario Ryota had in his career. Why is this guy going to be better than some people? Were like a something new good. Give it a try. Well how much. How much credit should we give to my grave? Just just for making the move in the first place he. I think you've got to give them a lot of credit. It's a gutsy move no way. It was an easy move because everybody in the titans locker room loves MARIOTA. Mariota Morioka is I would say as respected as light by his teammates as just about anyone you could find the NFL. And I think it was hard for a Lotta guys to see this happen. I saw actually Jay Brown. You know crying and going to Marcus and and apologizing to him at Denver because he kind of knew that Marotta had it just lost his job. Tannahill replaced him in that game so it was hard I think for able to do it. It was hard for the locker room to see it but obviously asli it has worked extremely. Well what what was the turning point with Hannah Hill where you know people kind of started to realize. Oh this is working well. He was immediately absolutely. I think performing better than Mario. Just the ball came out. Quicker Donahue was more decisive. He stood in their tannehill. The Hill under pressure GONNA throw passes man opened zone touchdown the ninety one yards but it wasn't like the titans. I'm you know instantly. Turn things around really the turning point you know the titans go to Carolina loose thirty to twenty look better on offense but really struggle on defense you know. It looks like this team has not not far from just being out of things and so now they get Kansas City. And you've got Patrick Mahomes back and obviously everybody knows how good Kansas the city is that was. I think the day when people said wow look at Ryan tannehill now derrick. Henry was big that day to you. had one hundred eighty yards but tannahill led the winning touchdown drive. I in Tennessee outduel Patrick Mahomes and that was the day that people said you know what this could be special like. This guy could actually get this team somewhere and really from that day forward. This offense was a right around thirty points per game clip clip simplisafe home security is like getting commercial grade enterprise level security but for your Own home think about the security fortune five hundred companies use. 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The lead thirty to start reading today. Joe This team is now nine and three with Tanta Hilas their starter but heading into the playoffs. was there any sense that the titans could turn into the Cinderella team of the postseason as things went along Mentana hill ended up the highest rated quarterback in the NFL. He's got Aj Brown making huge plays. He's got tight end. Jonny Smith becoming a real problem for teams and teams do not like tackling Derrick Henry in the fourth quarter. You don't want to tackle late in the game. It's hard outside. People are tired Contri- tackling just so big. That's not an effort thing. He's just way bigger than you. How do you get them down? And he's fast Mike rebel telling US yesterday. And and now you've got this play action game off of Derrick Henry that has really flourishing. Just the offense of the titans I thought made this team a not very appealing opponent for whoever had to face it if it got in. We've obviously seen this pretty incredible run defeating the Patriots toppling fling the Patriots as some fans might want to see it and then going in and absolutely stunning the Ravens. Now ranna hell frankly hasn't had to do a lot in these is games. I think he threw fourteen passes against the Ravens. But what do you see this team doing that. We can look forward to in this matchup against the chiefs. Well you're right yeah honestly could be. Thi- said well look the Titans got away with Derrick Henry and defense you know goal line stand and Ryan Tannehill not do a lot. But he's going to have to throw for two fifty plus beat the Ravens. Well they did it again. They run the ball. They played defense against shortstops but really tainted hill email. The numbers have been great. He's made really big throws in in big situations. They get a touchdown the red zone because he makes a good throw to John Smith who made a a better cat tannahill tosses zone touchdown spectacular the grabbing they stopped the ray was fourth down. Take a shot next. Play forty five yard bomb to cleave Raymond Tannehill looks for the home run ball ratio touchdown. Tighten these points forty five yards the Teddy Hill. Time can leap. Some big third down throws in there as well. He's played well like you said He. He just he. He hasn't been asked to do a lot. I can't imagine they can get away with that against chiefs. Every aspect of that offense has got to be performing at a high level to have a chance to win this game because the chiefs you know the titans defense is better terrific job against the Ravens. This is a totally different kind of matchup. Yeah I mean. They're about to face achieves team and PAT mahomes. That just put up fifty one points on the Texans. How do you see this this matchup going? That's when the titans went up fourteen. Nothing at Baltimore you knew while like they are taking the ravens out of their comfort zone the Ravens and jump on people and they stay ahead and they grind people at that running game but you get them now fourteen nothing and now it's a little bit okay. What do we do well as we saw? That's not a problem. The chiefs twenty four nothing and how about fifty one seven run here you know. It's do not let them have the big shot. Make them you. Now move the ball. They're going to move the ball between the twenties with ease. Get Him in the red zone and keep that red zone defense as playing such a high level going and for some field goals if they can do that and then dictate the game with their offense and with Derrick Henry and with play action passing off of that I think they can win a shootout but I I don't oh see either defense having a lot of success in this game frankly are we about to one hundred point game. We saw an eighty two point game with the chiefs. You've said Hey. Hey why not you know why the only problem is you know. It's probably GONNA take some Derrick Henry. Seventy five yard touchdown run as the titans are going to try to like. You know the pains WanNa have like twelve minute drives. But I don't know maybe the cheese just let him go and then just get the ball back and just make it a complete video game right. I can this. Titans team went all this titans team win the Super Bowl. I have to say yes because I know it's not a vintage patriots. It's team could beat the but still it's the Patriots and it's Brady and Bella check and it's Foxborough and prime time and that was a big confidence game and just a belief game I'm proud of you. I'm proud of the way that you guys prepared K.. You guys believed in each other. You believe in the plan but the thing I do is I look guys play hard guy. You can play hard. We're right back. I don't think you win that game. If you don't have those things in high supply and then you go to the number one seed and beat that team. I can't say that they can't win at all. I I will say if they win this game against the chiefs. I think you could make a really strong case that no one has had they tougher road to get to a super bowl or more impressive road to get to Super Bowl. If they can get that done I mean it's almost like the super bowl be gravy. I mean although the forty when I was doing pretty good but yeah I looked the way. They're playing the belief they have. Derrick Henry is just. It's a passing league. It's a quarterback league but no one wants to deal with that guy and he makes them very very dangerous. Well thank you so much for joining us. Joe and I look forward to seeing what can can come out of Kansas City this weekend. Thanks so much for having me. There really really had fun. Appreciated you can follow follow Joe Rexroad's coverage of the titans at the athletic dot com. Here are some other stories. We're following at the lead as pretty much. Everyone expected the mets parted ways with manager. Carlos Beltran on Thursday for his role in the Astros signed stealing scandal Beltran who was the only the player named in Mlb's recent report never even got a chance to suit up in the dugout for the mets before he was canned. But it doesn't stop there. Rumors started flying in yesterday about Astros Stars Jose Altuve and Alex Bregman wearing electronic signaling devices. That would buzz to alert them. When certain pitches were coming? The rumors are unconfirmed but Cincinnati reds pitcher. Trevor Bauer and famed Internet sleuth. John boy say that they have heard similar reports from multiple sources. So so Howard mets fans feeling about all this will let youtuber and mets fan giraffe neck. Mark Take it away. The mets the mets. The mets never is a day in the life of a mets fan. Easy no such thing. I've now been on this Earth for twenty four years and there's not been one day that has has been easy as a mets fan seriously. Meanwhile remember when Lsu Qb Joe. Borough was threatened with arrest after the championship game for smoking a celebratory cigar. You're inside the superdome. Well Odell Beckham. Junior is apparently in trouble with New Orleans authorities to OB. Jay was in the locker room after the game celebrating with the Tigers. And according to the a New Orleans Police Beckham allegedly slapped a superdome security guard on the but during that celebration and there's now a warrant out for his arrest the browns say they are aware of charges and that Beckham is cooperating. Does the warrant say for but slapping I you know who knows and the money that Oh. BJ was seen handing out to players on the field right after the game LSU initially said it was fake money who just has stacks fake bills to hand out but it turns out it was was real at least according to Joe Borough who spoke about it on a podcast on Tuesday. Thanks for listening this week. Our producers are Lea Hernandez caitlyn clamor. Matt's Drought Chris Eagle and crystalline. Sound mixing by Kyle Slow. Oh Erin May and the big Cellino Marcelino Villalpando. Our executive producer is on the show is executive produced by Leonidas Marshal. Louis an Arnon Lopez from wondering the athletic. I'm Kabaeva Davidson and I'm under skull to see you next week.

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Interview: Unicorns on the Loose  | 7

WeCrashed: The Rise and Fall of WeWork

33:56 min | 5 months ago

Interview: Unicorns on the Loose | 7

"We work went from being one of the hottest companies around the CO working giant. We went is amongst the most valuable startups in the world to the gutter. Just a few months. Why do they just keep going down down to? What is like your name racing? I know but we don't want to give them money. They're just screw up the market over the past six episodes. We've chartered the meteoric rise and catastrophic fall of we work and its founder Adam Newman. It's a cautionary tale about what happens when the next big thing turns out to be not. Everyone hopes they could spot a good from a bad one a unicorn from donkey but could they. It's difficult to imagine that people could be this stupid and this is stupidity. This isn't irrational. This isn't this isn't a marking. The time. This is stupidity to help us. Sort fact from fiction. I'm going to be speaking with Scott Galloway Professor Brand Strategy and digital marketing at the nyu Stern School of business and he's consulting producer on this series called Sir over investment in an individual I think is dangerous and typically just historically we look a call. It's called typically don't end well. We crashed his supported by progressive progressive. Has you covered when it comes to car? Insurance starting with built in savings like discounts. Were being a safe driver. You can also save when you start your quote online or have multiple vehicles on your policy in fact drivers who switch and save with progressive. Save seven hundred ninety six dollars on average start a quote online and check out all of discounts for yourself visit progressive DOT com today national average annual car insurance savings by new customers surveyed who save with progressive in twenty nineteen discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations from wondering. I'm David Brown. And this is a bonus. Episode of we crashed thousand me should. Scott Galloway teaches brand strategy digital marketing at the nyu Stern School of business. He's the author of two books. Before and the Algebra of happiness notes on the pursuit of success love and meaning. He writes a weekly newsletter called. No mercy no malice. And he's the Co host pivot a news commentary podcast and in all his spare time. He's a consulting producer on our podcast. We crashed Scott. Thanks so much for being with us today. Thanks for having me. This has not been a good Twelve months for the Softbank Vision Fund. I mean once upon a time everyone was singing. Its praises right. Masayoshi son was called The world's most prolific Unicorn Breeder and everything seems to be falling apart. I I also host to show called business wars daily which does a quick take on business every weekday we've done a few stories on Softbank and other investments for example we had a story on the shutdown of brainless even though Softbank and giving them I think it was what was one hundred million dollars as I recall something along those lines. Do you think that there is a larger reckoning coming for Softbank? Oh absolutely David at the end of the day. This is a fairly simple story of an alternative estimates company that just had too much capital to deploy and when too much capital chases an asset class returns. Go down and that. That's true of anything and so when you have a company with more I believe this company. Division Fund had more capital deploy than was deployed an all venture capital globally in nineteen ninety six. And you had one company trying to do this. So Division Fund is now in the midst of the most massive clowns behind an elephant scooping up. You know UNICORN FECES I mean I. It's hard in. It's it's almost that the conspiracy theorist thinks was this some sort of crazy spy-versus-spy attempt to repatriate five years of oil wealth from the Kingdom it act to America granted. It was redistributed unequally. But it's difficult to imagine. I don't use this word lightly. It's difficult to imagine that people could be this stupid and this is stupidity. This isn't irrational. This isn't this isn't a marking the time this is stupidity putting three hundred million dollars into a dog walking up with senior management at as far as I can tell had no experience as operators investing a quarter of a billion dollars and technology to make pizzas robotically. I mean there is. It's difficult to imagine. The gestalt here seemed to be the craze year. The better and brand less was one of their less crazy ideas. The notion of a private label company that might have a good product and sell the product at a discount. Because they weren't investing money in branding. I get it but the reality is it okay. They delivered on their promise to not have a very good brand but it also had a mediocre product and they burn through capital. And you're seeing you're seeing this everywhere and if you look at I mean that's kind of the next. We work. That toxic cocktail here is soft bank on top of real estate and You have oil which is turns out a twenty six year old whose only previous experience with selling Sim cards who tried to roll of globally. The Budget Hotel Space and over paid for spaces. That's falling apart. You also it'll be interesting is when they look at other things. Whether it's compass a roll up of brokerages or open door which is II buying space. But we're just starting to look underwater and see the two thirds of the catastrophic iceberg. That has a vision fund. It strikes me I mean a lot of it is the kind of faith that outsiders put in impart. I think part of this. It seems maybe I'm wrong but you tell me. The whole notion of Unicorn has become a kind of brand itself in a sense and and people latch onto that and some of that money runs that direction just because of the label at wonder. Is that part of the problem? Is there such a thing as a good Unicorn? The notion of the Unicorn flawed is at you. How do you see that? Yeah sure there are so I think the Vision Fund is also an investor in slack and slack is a great company is gaining momentum and is creating tens of billions of dollars and stakeholder value. So yeah I'm sure they're gonNA have other winners in their portfolio and what you have. Is this this competence of visionary storytelling your ability to paint a vision of future results? In access to cheap capital. Two gives you the ability to kind of create your future. You know twin accent. That's what Tesla did. That's what Netflix did. That's what Jeff Bezos did in his nineteen ninety-seven Bester ladder. When you listenership as speak you WANNA buy stock. And as a result they have access to cheap per capita than anywhere else. So if you and I are both boxers and I one hundred percent or you get one hundred percent pure oxygen but I only get eighty eight percent pure oxygen because my investors demand. I reinvest twelve cents on the dollar like most traditional companies. You get one hundred percent pure oxygen. You don't need to be a better boxer the me eventually. I'm going down and the ability to get access to pure oxygen comes through this visionary storytelling and there's a thin line in the Unicorn economy between vision BS and fraud And you just want to be far enough out on the vision. Line like a tesla or a net flicks. That at one point look like or even Amazon said they'd raise people said Amazon had raised too much money in debt. Amazon stock was largely flat for a better part of a decade but their ability. To Kinda if you will fit to make it raising of capital and then build or grow into the future of build that you know a self fulfilling prophecy. That strategy is a tangible productive strategy. Now has it been super juiced on kind of a crazy unhealthy type of steroid where people go from vision to Yoga babble and find stupid capital that will over fund the business to the extent that will ever never be kinda money good or get their ambassadors their money back? Yeah absolutely. But there are instances where that vision you know. There's a good question. What would happen to Theranos. If Elizabeth homes had been able to raise another several billion dollars maybe they stumble into a breakthrough instead. He's likely going to prison. So it's fake it till you make it. Is it a small effort capital F? But if you're willing to ride multibillion dollar checks no matter how many of them are out there. I'll find more entrepreneurs willing to cash them. So how do you determine the goods from the BADS? I mean how do you figure out in this environment that this one's for real and this one's faking it and dancing a little bit too hard? I mean I suppose you could go through the S. One. If that's the place that a company is is in when it comes to its evolution but but other than that you know. Well you don't know but you can make educated guesses and there are firms that have built Incredible Franchises Brands and stakeholder value and wealth for their principles. Because they do know what to do. Or they don't know what to do but they know how to starch out a lot of the risk and make better bats whether it's a Kleiner Perkins and andriessen Horowitz a general catalyst there are VC's that know how to assess management team have the people the operating executives to evaluate the underlying technology. Have Great Business minds in their partnership that can look at the marketplace? Understand that diligence to really kick the tires and say what our cost of customer acquisition. What is different about this concept? What are the MOATS? What is the capital structure? And what is the complexion of the Management Team? What is their ability to scale this generate shareholder value stakeholder value? What is the competitive landscape? And there are venture capital firms and alternative investors. Who have been able to more often than not invest in companies. No one gets one hundred percent right all of the time and vcu hope that generally speaking You know about half year companies go sideways or down. You know forty percent probably returns zero. Go Out of business and you hope that ten percent have kind of ten to fifty x like returns in most successful venture capital firms and every fund. There's usually one to three companies that paid for everything else. Hopefully but there's absolutely things you can do. Venture capital is a sector that has made several companies and dozens of people exceptionally or even several hundred. Or maybe even several thousand although it's pretty concentrated industry very wealthy and it's not just guessing they do have they do have a distinct skill set. Sure is there anything you can do to guarantee you're right no but there's a lot you can do to reduce the likelihood you're going to be wrong. You used a term. That is one of my favorites in the entire series. You talked about Yoga Babylon. You used to just a few minutes ago. Maybe as a result of what happened with we work people become. You can tune in more on the Yoga babble and be more skeptical of it. I think that's probably a at least one likely outcome. But there's another term that you use you talked about the Unicorn Industrial Complex. It taking you back to the warning that. Dwight David Eisenhower gave about the military industrial complex. Of course. But we're in it when it comes to the military industrial complex. That's here what I'm wondering is if the Unicorn Industrial Complex if we are in that too and there's no real way to get out of it do we want to get out of it. Is we work a kind of anomaly. Or how do you see it at you? See the landscape now. Oh we absolutely have a unicorn. Industrial Complex and as we have a series of players or an industry that is largely built on building great companies and a lot of times not great companies for creating the illusion of greatness in value. So the reason why Masayoshi Sun Ambassador to forty seven billion dollar market capitalization wasn't even necessarily thought it was worth forty seven billion but it's sats value right before you go public and if the smartest guys in the room. Softbank something's worth forty seven entertaining public. Then it must be worth sixty seventy one hundred billion. What do you know the other smartest guys in the room? The equity analyst at J. P. Morgan and Goldman Sachs also say might be worth fifty six hundred billion dollars and they're smarter than me. I'm a fireman. I'm an investor. I'm a husband whatever it might be. I don't have the time to do the due-diligence I don't have the demand expertise but if Softbank Goldman and J. P. Morgan telling me that we work as worth fifty sixty eight hundred billion dollars. It must be net if my private wealth manager from Morgan Stanley is calling me and saying good news. I can get you shares in the we work. Ipo There's a complex. There's a momentum there's professionals who make their living on marketing these stocks and ensuring that ensuring that there's a perception of value and justifying what are quite frankly irrational valuations right out of the gates. And that's the bad news and that's existed for a long time. The good news is that the markets did their job here and that is a bunch of media analysts academics and generally just private market investors looked at the S. One of we work and said okay. We let UBER. Get through the firewall and a lot of people lost money. We're closing the firewall. Let this happen. And regardless of what Valuation Softbank? Put INTO. This company makes absolutely no sense. The language here is ridiculous. And we're going to. We're not going to buy this thing. And then where it was really over David when I knew the thing was over and that this thing was borderline on the board of collapse was when they went out and tried to market forty seven billion the market through up on a rejected it and they came out and floated a traveling of well. What about twenty billion? And if you're an insider and you know the company and if you know your house and you think Oh my houses were one hundred thousand dollars and then the market you have an open house when people say no we're not paying on one thousand and then you go back to those people say would you buy it for fifty. There's mold there's something wrong in the house when someone is willing to take a fifty percent cut on an asset and seventy two hours means there's trouble and that's when I knew this thing was entering into a downward spiral and then within seven days Newman was out the. Ipo was over and ultimately the singer financed at evaluation of eight billion which quite frankly it didn't deserve it got that because Masayoshi Sun needed to save face and ensure that he was the one that build it out not American vultures. Oh we crashed is supported by vistaprint for small business owners or people who produce their own. Podcasts being plugged in and prepared when an opportunity comes up is crucial. Those moments happen all the time. They're happening now. And having a business card that shows how professional you are in your pocket. Ready to hand out. That could be the first step to making something. Big happened in. 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For a No mercy no malice take on how you can level up your game in the world of business. Stay tuned to the end of this episode for a special preview of the Prophet G. Show with Scott Galloway. When I first heard about the we work story it was after a lot of people had been talking about it for some time. I'm sure you had been plugged in way before a lot of other folks and I remember thinking. Okay well This is in a way one of those companies that sort of represents an era. I wasn't thinking that it would explode or that. It would fall apart or that it would be all sound and fury signifying nothing. I swear to figure that may be. This represented something new something that you know. And this is before the s. One and all that were you on the lookout for the next sort of Enron esque collapse or was there something that kind of rang a bell in your head that said. This isn't adding up now. I I don't think I was Precent enough to really think of it as the next Enron or what you know this initially was if you will a mistake for me and that is I think it was early. Two thousand seventeen. I went on business. Insider recorded a video and I like to make predictions and my prediction. Or what I said was that we work with the most overvalued private company in the world because it had recently raise money and I think about a twenty two billion dollars market capitalization and a few months later raise money to forty seven billion dollar valuation. So immediately I was wrong. It was whenever you get in the way. The worst thing you can do is to kind of get in the way of a venture capitalist or the the chorus of innovators and Canada. The wheel spinning of these companies deserve these crazy market valuations. And if you're ever skeptical of it you seen as a lead I and you get the the people who don't do teach you're just jealous so out of the gates. I was immensely wrong. I said a company was overvalued and a few months later it got double evaluation But this was I mean there were just some fascinating things here. If you did any sort of basic analysis I think the first analysis I did this company was I looked at how many locations they had. I looked at the valuation and looked at an average value of the building and determined that the floor that we work least with its IP tap ear and reclaimed wood was now worth more than the entire building which it was which had at least a floor. It just didn't it just didn't add up and it just got it just got more and more kind of emblematic as you said. It marked the age mark the consensual hallucination venture capitalist try and enter into with the marketplace such that they can force the stock at some point on retail investors. But it seems like there is some in you. We talk about the age here. There is something about the era that made it possible for. We work to happen because if you stood back outside looking in without being affected by any of the hyper hysteria or what have you. It's probably pretty easy to say. Okay well this is. This is a company that leases buildings and then releases sub leases to other people that simple. There's no way that is going to be worth what people are talking about. So what I'm wondering is how was it that this blew up into something other than what it clearly was by any objective measure. Yeah you're right. There's a business in buying long buying an asset that you have to commit to for several years whether it's a car or an office building and then selling it short leasing it for ten years a year three weeks renting the car for a week. Twenty four hours or even an hour and those companies hurts. Our real estate investment trusts usually traded a multiple of revenues of anywhere between Collared Point. One to two times. Revenues and here is a company trading at Sixteen Times revenue in the private markets and whereas Amazon Trades four times revenue. So it wasn't. It wasn't a good idea. It wasn't that there wasn't value here. What we had was this perfect storm of excess amount of capital a kind of a luxury brand positioned as a alternative investments company called Vision One Fund position is a luxury brand got extraordinary capital and thereby the sense of urgency to deploy massive amounts of capital and there was a charming factor with a visionary Steve Jobs like charisma and storytelling capability paired with a company that had too much capital to put to work all set in the context of an innovative economy. Where I believe. Because Church attendance and reliance on superbeing. Going DOWN IN THE. Us that we look for our new. Jesus Christ I think if there was anything that kind of gave rise to this it was probably Steve Jobs who created sort of a Jesus Christ like image around his persona by creating magic from technology letting stink different and creating kinda currency of power which is wealth from innovation or wealth from public markets. Nasdaq Stock and this. All kind of came together for this perfect storm that resulted in an individual. And what's historic here is that we have an individual who managed to clip two and a half billion dollar commission for losing seventeen billion dollars of other people's money. Well yeah that's Kosh when you put it that way absolutely just all. I mean shocking really but I wanna get back on this. I this note that you just touched on about the religiosity of we work. A lot of it was wrapped up in I don't know what you would call it but sort of Idolization of Adam Newman it seemed like and I'm fascinated by this notion. That may be part of what made we work Spectacular success story at least for a while. Was this idea that that it was almost a a proxy or a fill in for something missing. Maybe you touched on religiosity and you think about some of what happened here. With Adam Newman sort of as a stand in for almost as you put it a sort of a Christ figure in a way well look as a as a species are competitive advantages that our brain is so big that were expelled from the body. Prematurely in humans should really cook for another trimester or another three months because we have such enormous brains. We have to be expelled from the body and our brain is big enough to ask very complicated questions. But it's not big enough to answer them. And so into that void slips a superbeing and as countries get as I referenced before get wealthier more educated the reliance on supertanker church goes down but we still have that void of the unknowing and a need for people to answer questions and the closest thing we have almost sort of religious religious or godlike superpowers is technology technology. Put a man on the moon which none of us know how to do or even understand. It arrested the AIDS virus attorney Hillar through splitting the atom. So we look at technology as being somewhat god-like or magical or spiritual and thereby deliver the iconic people who run these companies. Take on a certain Jesus like aura. And we all want to believe that these people talking about renting a desk in flowery language it's talking about unleashing. The inner community within all of us are all part of the sounded like inset at an all hands meeting. I'm run small companies where I'm talking about cost of customer acquisition and talking about our you know our profit margins he was talking like Yoda you know. He was in telling people what should or shouldn't eat. And the power of Weei and how community is the new power. That's going to reshape the world. When at the end of the day they were renting desks. And there's nothing wrong with that. But there is a certain occult like mentality and these companies. That is dangerous so called. Colts are over investment in an individual. I think it's dangerous and typically just historically look a call it's cult typically don't end well yeah typically. They don't want to get back to something that you said about the technology factor here and the FETISHES ATION. You know of these of technology and its leaders. There wasn't anything especially high-tech about we work right now. It was an illusionist trick. And that is the kind of the technical sedation of companies. Where well it's a mattress company. That sells mattresses that are manufactured in factories. The manufacturer other matches. So there's no unique. There's no unique manufacturing here. They sell them on the Internet but they tried to create this illusion of technology. And that's Casper that it's a tech company Consumer Tech Company. Well are you. You Know Peleton which I do think there is. Some technology says it's delivering happiness. Well are you. Are you just selling exercise equipment? And in the case of renting deaths that was an even bigger stretch and I believe they use the term technology a hundred and twenty three times in their ass one. And when you do any sort of diligence you found that they had an APP for booking conference rooms and they had a very elegant website. But you know my guess is one. Degree has dramatically more technology. I commend and we work. Is it appropriate to put all of this on? Adam Newman or what about those? Who Surrounded Adam? Newman I mean I think. Back to the episodes. I don't remember whether it was episode. Three or four but it was at the point where Masayoshi son of Softbank Hands over the keys in a way to Adam Newman. He puts his enormous valuation on the company and makes this massive multibillion dollar investment and then he tells Adam Newman go spend it and get crazy. Just go crazy. I WanNa see you get crazy. Who What what entrepreneur do you know would say? Nah? I don't think so. You know to the person who's just given them billions. Surely you're going to want to live that life e even if nobody told you to live that life. Yeah that's one hundred percent right. You tell thirty something year old male that is Jesus crises inclined to believe you and if you really go back to the first domino here they created this sort of set off or kind of patient zero or action. Zero Masayoshi Sun is responsible for credit or can be credited with what is arguably the most successful private investment history and that is a twenty million dollars Alibaba and turned it into a hundred billion dollars so the most extraordinary investment in the history of private markets. And I think if there's a virus or if there's a danger across the venture capital the private markets and I think it's a danger that is pretty common among people. I would argue especially young males in the tech industry. And it's I think it's a it's an interesting learning for all of us. It's that we have a tendency to is a species to conflate lock or talent for just lock and when you make the most successful private investment in the world it's very easy to believe that you must have the guts that is a breakthrough in the inability to discern New Ideas and I think Masayoshi Sun kind of took that to the next level where he would see something different or creative in an individual or an idea and felt it was his role to encourage them to think bigger and then the fact that it was sitting on one hundred billion dollars needed to be deployed created a toxic mix of a an individual who again had conflicted look for talent or an exceptional intuitive gut and then you combine that with capital and it resulted in Masayoshi Sun finding these people who are more than happy to try and fake it until they made it. If there is a scenario where we work raised. Another ten billion dollars started rolling up more and more real estate and maybe never realized forty seven billion dollar valuation but maybe realized a twenty or thirty billion dollar valuation and. Adam Newman would be on the cover of the Wall Street Journal. A dozen times between now and then the fact him cashing. Masayoshi sons check does not make him especially stranger criminal. They Kinda the flower. The glitch in the Matrix here started with a level of hubris stemming from the world's most successful investment and too much capital facing too few ideas Scott at the end of the day though. What is the moral of this story? You Know Adam Newman when we last see him in episode six. He's flying off to Israel with his wife and He's not a poor fellow. I mean on the one hand. You sort of WANNA say well. How do you advise entrepreneurs to structure their company or structure? Their business in such a way. That it won't become a house of cards on the other hand. Adam Newman doesn't altogether appear the complete loser. Here there are a lot of people who lost everything so I mean what? What's the moral of this story? I think there's several lessons. I think it goes all the way back to Masayoshi. San's initial investment in him thinking that gave him some exceptional ability. I think it's dangerous to conflate lock with talent. I think that there is lessons around. The smartest people in the room are necessarily the smartest people in the room that you need to do your own diligence around investments. I do believe this is testament to the Securities and Exchange Commission and our marketplace. That this thing when you think about it. The losses were largely ring-fence to institutional investors specifically Softbank the move a lot of fun and pith From the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. 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"Welcome back to dot net rocks. This is Carl Franklin and this is Richard Capital and. You know we're. We're still in our respective. Places have been out in the longed. Well right after rerecord the shows. I'm going to go up to the coast place the first time since all the craziness happened. That's good. Yeah, we! We're finally going into phase three in of reopening NBC and so going up. There's not a big deal. We're still in phase one. You got a lot of people in a lot of challenges as a lot of people very. Adamant on. Getting out in the sunshine and being with each other and We'll see what happens, but anyway. I have an interesting story telly. This has happened to me before, but never so vividly so I'm doing this show called Blazer train. Yeah, on Youtube. And it's topical so the next topic that I'm working on is the is the Blazer Component Life Cycle? So all of the ways that you can hook the life cycle of a component or a page. And the override -able virtual methods, and you know disposing and all that stuff and I started a demo. And a little demo APP and I was thinking of how I can make this a little better. And I dreamt the solution. At dreamt the solution and you know it's amazing when you're dreaming that. Thing's real things get surreal. Right Sarah. Year you're you don't know if you find yourself. In an amalgamation of places in with a combination of people that never really were there in real life. That kind of thing happens. All the time and technology never works in dreams like using trying to use a computer or a phone that they're always broken. All Right? They never do what you expect them to do. However I find and this was particularly vivid that code. is absolutely perfectly logical and I don't mean code on the screen just thinking about. Algorithms and how you would do things like the solutions are there. In your subconscious and they don't get jumbled up like it's just pure logic. Blows my mind and then today I actually implemented in using a something. I had never done before and I dreamt it. How Fun is that that's really interesting I mean I often wake up with phrases in my mind the way I want to explain something that kind of thing, but I don't think I've ever woken up with code in my head like that. Yeah, I mean it wasn't code per se, but but the whole idea of you know. Oh, I'm going to have a collection of these and I'm GonNa iterating through them, and this is how I'm going to demo this particular thing I mean architecture. Architecture and it was totally solid I knew when I sat down after my coffee I knew exactly what to do now, and it just took a few minutes they implement. That's remember seeing the code. In my dream, but I remember. Thinking about it in gold, IRA so cool. Yeah, awesome! Anyway, that's my story. Let's get started with better. No framework awesome. Well, this is something that happened back. In June June sixteenth. It's still June, isn't it? Recording not. Yeah Yeah, so this is a blog post by James Newton King Brilliant Man Yeah Gop. See Dash Web for dot net is now available. So. GOP! We talked to Sean. Wilder Meath about that. We had talked about it before a little bit, but this is Google's open source. Implementation that uses a binary protocol that is. Faster than using Jason and API's and stuff, and that it's really kind of funny that James Zun King would be the one to sort of announced Jason Dot net guy. Is Pretty Funny. Yeah Sankai. But. It's cool. They automatically. Generate Classes for you write 'em generate pro files for you, so there's a lot of tooling in there. And it also works really really well and Blazer applications. Okay so you're using it. Oh, yeah, yeah! I actually used it when it was in Beta and essentially we'll have the data that gets. Sent over the wire, compared to Jason compared to Jason Yeah, which of course was the terse for much of thing than say soap like he an hour here on. Exactly. Yeah amount of the bloated version of all of this. And it's kind of funny that you remember the days of promoting. When we had a binary form matter. Lean. It was faster and You know it was sending less data. But it also tricky because you couldn't read it and all of that stuff, and now it's sort of you know that binary protocol is sort of back. It's like as long as we have the tools to serialize. De de serialize, and we have the tools to generate those classes. And we don't really have to ever touch that stream of data. It's really just for transport and let's face. It was never that human readable in the first place. To us so right about. My God. Talk about nightmare. It's true. Yeah, and I mean Jason was more legible definitely. Yes, the WHO cares about legibility they does does it to. The past tasks, can you machine read it? Can other machines read it good enough? Yeah. I mean the only time I wanNA. Look at Jason is when something doesn't work and I WANNA. Find out what is. Enough, but it's a totally different layer. Right all right well. That's what I got. WHO's talking to us? Man grabbed a comedy show sixteen, Seventeen, which we did back in January of Twenty nineteen with one Arnon exelrod. We're talking about test automation because I know we're going to talk about testing all day today, and so I wanted to circle back on this particular topic is obviously. Tools like independent or part of your automation suite in this particular common comes from Matt Thornton. Is Old and he says it seems to me that one of the best reasons to having a solid td are test driven development practice is not only the did I. Did what I just build actually do what it's supposed to do, but also did what I just build not break something that's been in and working for ages. Yeah, regression testing is so important, but it seems to get overlooked a lot in this new agile build fast release cycle way of doing things. It seems nowadays that consumer focused products are sort of. From collateral, damage perspective good line. If the latest release got a few bugs in it. Which is true because we have the cloud now to just sorta roll out new versions, so you don't have to get everything. Right up front. But Matt goes on to say, but in a business setting the tolerance for breaking things is so much lower. Yes. Got Work piece of software companies counting on you push out a new feature and break the old one people get pretty grumpy about that. But I think testing is hard because he. You know you can't can't anticipate all of those things. It's one of those cases where it's only when you do break it. Did you build a test to figure out that that's what that was breaking? Then fix the break. Yeah, if you're not to panic, Struck over things so matt, thank you so much for your comment. A copy of Yeezy Kobe's on its way if you'd like a copy of Music Oh. Oh by read a comment on the website at thought Iraq's dot com, or on the facebooks, we publish every show there, and if you come in there and I read on, the show will send you a copy music. Oh, by and definitely follow us on twitter. I'm at Carl Franklin. He's at rich Campbell. We read them all in and sometimes we apply. depends. GEEZ! Sorry about that, go there. I couldn't help myself I helped Patrick All right well, let's bring on Patrick Patrick Snack. Yeah has been fortunate to start programming as a child on eight bit computers in the Eighties Yeah. Let's hear it for the eighties. Then he naturally graduated in math in software engineering, and after a decade of C. Plus plus programming and consultancy, Patrick got interested in the brand new dot net platform in two thousand two. He wrote the bestseller book in French on Dot Net and C. Sharp published by Riley and also did manage some more academe and professional courses on the platform, and C. Sharp today of course. he is the end depend guy and we're gonNA. Talk to him about all sorts of things welcome, Patrick. Hi Carl Hobby Chop. Using independ-. Has Been, described to me like having Scott. Hanson looking over your shoulder while you're writing code again. I. Don't know if I did that way you're. GonNa have to pay for that later man. That's that's nice. No. Smells Pretty Funky today I talk this code at the very beginning and. The tool studied in to control has an open source tool while at the age of of dot net. Because at that time I was consulting did such a tool. Summit Martin Book that I'm sure you. Practice Book. ETC, so wanted to explain that to the river and then. I noticed that to the community that had been top donald of the was very sean. Have so so many ideas to touring audits and it became attorney commercial project in a February. Ah, two thousand seven. and. Being the same week. I mean just because it's gotten so wear the same weeks contacting me. Hey looks interesting. Did you want to put casts something so you can find? Underwear. From. Thirteen years ago. But it was. Very interesting was finding praised literally order. On the right question was asking like he was. So you independence about cody Cordell, Kitakyushu. Testing coverage. Code Cody. Sharon was twenty. Yeah. Of course every day. This pitcher when I was in I. was like cutting cinnamon. In this. Has Actually especially in so many topics always I found that show. It's episode fifty one of Hansel minutes. In two, thousand, seven and his old show yet. Still that pointer thing it was the knicks. Be Dot net two. Days, but it was ten. He became to be made sure in a extra that time we couldn't realize. Kanda. Head we had Nikon, note that full, and now dot net coal and the fine there. We couldn't imagine that That the road we sold next to shop nine. Now it's. Interesting, joining while an acting two to seven's before. Scott joined Microsoft too so. It's A. Totally different world often, there was working at on I. Remember where Yeah you're right. And he was, he was original director. You know they we were. We were all so young. And inhabitants you get. So is the stack I mean you're right. It's twenty years the gone through all these twists and turns and an independent, still relevant right like. People still depend on it to keeps offer healthy. Because I. into the Tim Coral I mean my way. My will I'm. To than and my way of thinking is that. It's important to improve because they are a lot of ideas of innovation. One order the topic touched by the tour architecture, etc.. saw each important to. So. It's just my passion attorneys. Improving, the so many pieces to end depend. That You. Know some of it seems like magic, but deep down. You're really just pulling apart. How? Code is compiled and how it's accessed and. How it's and. Dependency graphs for example you know you you don't just make those you have to know. You have to know how to you know. Read those trees. And I guess you know having that basic stuff now we can start talking about code smells and things that seemed like Magic to me. Like how? How do you program a code smell and say? That doesn't look right, you know. Very. He's very really meant to ensure the churned butter very logical things. The thing is that independent can commence Charlotte even been before was in appear. Dot Com, we do. All of these. Role Fortunate need for for the tour. Is that independence doing things differing sued? It's it's. It's not a competitor of WHO. Would sit on from. But the thing is independent as a one hundred view. FORBE's, so you can, you can wipe rules. Like, I don't want the database ewing. You is for example into. Things got and. Why why was he? Not Shopper or very? Twins can is now more about controlled Nike. I wanted to remove my using and want to make sure they search fronts. We never. That there but Actually no, we have but matter. Each more detained while independence more coast few of the court. and Try to do big. I had an. You said that you have idea new. For Meeting Komo I'm Joe Out. Jogging. And yet we I'm not sure if there is because there is more debris. I don't know. Good idea came to me by. Joining. In a good idea was. With. Six just before the. Ninety one. You could query the code the same way that can create the advanced resist. Yeah okay. Three the backbone of So ownership. Are Using A. Link Right? Yes! We recruited singer. which is created, but he was even before actually at that time it was just a very super secret session, accord and then Yay twenty university. Her name. Provider Attorney. So I, what we doing is to the tune eastern to gather is Mitch Information. From your code. Okay so you, you're not the Iron Curtain are important, but also seeing this Wiscon- and so from the. He nor the fights are very. Very resentful to to join a new binary code and Actually and from the coverage so. What's that can cover the cover. Hope uncover your stroke. orig- so whatever Kobe Jude win you can, you can infer. From their independent troy to harness as much information as of Kent. And then. He actually e-p-o-c-h to modell. Okay riches. His own couldn't with their meets. Inches is not their voice. It's. and. It's more prone to hire view of your code so for example in. Require A. To know the number of courts for example, Mitha all. Commands. Many, even more works. Won't so we both to coverage into your your was? Dependency like. To for example. Mental which stages assigned for example. which is basically Yoga exit their? Is The independent modalities? For older schools formation out of the box. Yeah, okay, then in very few character in three lines. You can or we d why to query that is used. and. Could create basically exactly the same way when you your relational database. Interesting foreign that query Karekin ru. For career so much can right to career and. I want to know where which may todd as a psychometric complexity higher than? Certain. Okay. Psychosomatic complexities of very metric incongruity that caused the number of for us that the threat executing the metal can take okay. And, the more you have, and the more you may this reports to complex. Like every each. NESTED IFS and loops notoriously bad The more you have. To have. Because, then you just now and particular, but other point it's to match in a middle or even great. and. Then can become program so so you can really rights. Inquiry that looks like from an application of methods where psychometric complex he hired and certain. An ear few tell you already have A. Okay and you can you can? Do which is actually not shop, not link, but which is independent, so we can add some, and they disembarked One Count Richard Zoom. So I want to be advised winner such kind of methods. Okay in here, you have A. and. What's what's become very interesting is when you when you start to meet. This aspect or new view of the independ- has occurred so for example now IRV. Civil view that elect. Things where even Iran's and When I say to Mitch's because we all talked the our own. Very satisfying. As a developer to. Could. On. During testing, but for example to stress that works together. How kopecks sitting has the expand? The coverage. Okay and or sort of this. Yeah, right so. Why did this aspect? I did uncorked. Is that fan? You can take to snapshot of your basement, but attorney and then you can teach them. And then defend can said you're. This method has been Cheyenne Joel. Comment of his method has been. So you can very quickly writes. Cut Ruler Query that could save for example I complex method. That has been changed, so there have been retractable. Okay? Hold that have been added. And so that are political correct. Correct by. Any your perfect documents. What is killing quantity and how you? saw just with this tweet. You Mix okay complex mature. That's why we hectoring result. You've been interesting. I can imagine that after using independent for. Probably a very short period of time if you're developing every day. it just makes you a better developer because you know, it's almost gamified. GimMe. EAT and or so making even more useful. With the activity to technical Malaysian. Which is a so? It's very famous Heidel Mountain. Fuller was the on that much weight as photo. Yeah, old term. Sorts the report on then. That basically says that you can have it in your car and start doing things. The Roadway return to quick and dirty so when you're doing things we can. Point Distance. You really have to fix them. Because this is not mentionable, and you're an independent actually quantifies how much technical data you're getting into. As! You're writing code exactly. Twice. About that. So for example, he won't say that A. Little complex metal. There's another same technical data very complex mythos for example. Okay, so they're? Now from you know an interesting point, is that all queries? They are rule sexuality. Each one contents of event formula to its don't. Okay, so for example actual coverage. You can count on Bell Sir. Skull Portable of converts were exempted, and then tried to assess the remote work SORTA Montebourg. Cited by different time. So for example he can be twenty minute or two days for eight hours. And then for each sure it would find. You the tool retried two assists. Good distribution of Harlem we take. And then. He's introduced not near very interesting to fall manager intimidators. Guinea picture. Today! At you Chris, the dictator from forest but different. So that's the interesting, but when when very important points along also to describe. Is that when you using your? Aesthetic Stewart sort sort of. Taken Diseases in opposition Dinamika uses. Static in means the tool doesn't try to execute your coat. Kate you just look at your code the code has. Tenants you know. UCS You. Could any choice to anything for measured by dynamic analyzer? Exit you to code. Then gives information about credit. For. Visual Studio does pretty good. Dynamic analysis built in. All the squiggly lines her about. and. You. Don't you cannot. FROM TACTIC! View of some code. It's a thing it's very hard to watch some algorithms that can tell you anything interesting about what what happened not been trying bright. Object Beast. And and how long did we take? Tournament is very good. Question I was thinking hard about the. I'm, Lexi part because. If, you've got a freshly written routine, and it comes up with a high level complexity. Obviously, you should rethink it right. I guess a classical codes says this is more complicated needs to be, but then I'm thinking about an older piece of code that's been modified multiple times in sort of now bumps across that threshold, and maybe that's the gauge it says. Is it time to reactor this? We've now made. It knew enough. Different things has become more complicated than it needs to be. and. Actually do their legacy term software for that, but they're. Guessing for ban when of coats. Until very very giant. Breakage very quickly. and. That's one of the initial wanted to underline is. That's he can allies her so once again he can give the shopper and defend. When big programming! Is that when you run against a legacy. Okay and just kind of tricky I even more useful. That you'll be get detail on. Thousands of issues had no even use of technical. So. You Sign Years of Madman, Mondays to. Fix It, oil. And Gas is definitely not practicable. Nobody breach fourteen. Homemade, you can deduct for record tool, but definitely not to your munches on the basis. this. Sort of preliminary earnings against your legacy. Do the strategy of independence. The defense is. Actually mention that you can dish of snapshots. Okay an independent. Gives you absolute value for any? Matrix, for example, nine of Cordona Bill Shoe, but he gives you the dish. So for example, the number of new shoes, the Byzantine. Nine or whole new code or could reflect? He's correct like this. Tend exit rocks, so he's independent very together. All this information because the idea is that from now and from now convince from the night. Okay, typically the. Another version of Hugh couldn't region. From there from the design, you won't be in the wrong I mean. I I wonder if is the right term there Patrick I almost think delta. Right that all you really WanNa know is is a software getting better. and. The getting. Shut, unearth a better term you know. I'm French. And Richard, so that. Definitely. Needs to really control control the talk because you cannot have a be considered on the Negoti and what's interesting? Is that. The new coat I mean the new classes. Then, you may etc, but you can. Be factored right. Yeah, and that's really interesting, because the retractable means that you are touching legacy, you dare intew touch the. Okay to refectory. And then you can talk to improve quantity on the legacy only wants each necessary to restructure it, and then you can show that you provided value by doing that exactly then. The debt was decreased step-by-step version after version of course Anna. To reach. Zero some depth and Just improved the idea. Is that the developer get to lion's? The get to nine of could participants. You'll want to do now and the. Hope that the foot world sets of independent can help them On this so as order static analyzer. Not only gic, but insert document the description so for. Example. Dickstein why why why hiding that Gordon's? 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Thinking about your the visualize Zor specifically for for classes to put independ- onto an existing application, and then to get that visualizes, says this is where your APPs fence. It's time. These are the largest classes that do the most work. And maybe knee are the most fragile. The beginning car bought About this using. Your Dream Act with independent ID as some of the software that. I talked about to court querying. Where you can probably rely on the, but each was lynch. Interesting. Is that. You can have called desert. He's Asian. An independent civil diagram. So certainly the most intuitive one is the dependency graph. CATES and actually two months ago, we released the new twenty twenty one sean. Twenty twenty dot one sean is. Defendants thirty recycle. And the the dependency graph is. Is Gordon Vizier for for our indulge code Biz, a tree no. Texture. To modernity where wages for North Gracie. To, but there is too much. On this, you can visualize them. Anna. Point was independent. Is that I mentioned that we have a Modin that we appropriating each with? Many permission can gather from your coat. and. Could not. Schultz in memory. And the best thing. Solder desserts. And of course, independent extension, but he's very fast so. Extremely or to mind. Now to the born where he can denies like thousands and even tens of thousands of crisis at once. Life carries on the dependency and. How? Many dependencies doesn't just look like a mess. Like when when is ten thousand classes ever looked good in a dependency model that. I. Actually you when? We're projected techniques in a few touchdowns shoot doesn't. In next year even more. than he can be very interesting to not only view what what class? Issue want electric class for example, not only want to know which according it, but also. The corner of The quotas of course of orders extra so He's independent very easy to of your this kind of course. To exactly if I told you discuss, what am I gonNA break? Potential. Sold to go swimming. What what should I have to test? Because it's on broken. Should Henna independent information can very natural. You cannot solve. Is Your Life where you to reteach? And he are, there is this notion of component is not very clear and actually we. Use The word pronouncing the dot net arena even in. A company issue of the academic book. So you need to. They broke mind and the. Raiders? Are you need to fisting? ETC, so you're not insurance for component, but as it gets you need. And we know that a compromise is not a class tickets a great of grass. Okay, because across cannot work. Alone on a lion. Is Looking. Good network alone so typically a is a great book. So typically. namespace or students, species or Who can be a project for your next project? Okay the is that the temporal component is not very well defined. And he can be problematic because what I what? Else should viewing In could base. That you have hugh, even a single coal. did initiative component is necessary, clarified dot net toy. Do the job fan. Typically, you don't WanNA component. Singer class because across. The nine nine because has to. Classes so typically. A grape of cross. Okay. Can you namespace or Yonathan experience or even? An attorney is yesterday issued many projects, and you should consider that you projects assemblies component beserk. Should you be very good? Telling you? Hey, here, you cycle. Okay doesn't permit. To Psycho, but if you get this knowledge, women seek assemblies and. France seductive, the were. Many special. tend to be monolithic because there is no no neutral. To to say you. Hey, in this, interscope pronounced officially you can. Look at it so so. This is a super component the. mentionable. And today, for example you'd have to move. To another uation work or the day? To donate go. Yeah. You're basically starting over right. You've built a God class and you have to make a new God. Can Class so I can be a good comment. This is a this is only problem so with any burns I. You can view. You can assess the problem. Okay because you can discern. Gone. Independent tried to consider many species component. And, tell you about differences between the name spacious. Tell you. How and there is no? Nobody will do that can do. The wind depend breath. Continue without. Your psychic between the spaces That! You can take any of this is independent on all your the one yeah? There is a room her. It's the biggest inquiry here we are. There is a route nuts which will be smaltz, and that's why he say. Safe. Spaces mutually dependent. And using BBC's. He tried to say you which way should be. Okay try to. Donate, framework you would see that. Is Dependent on, systems trade sitting. Did to using it right. And we all know as a different for that sustained is a noble, nowhere level steps ready because. Typically burdens, which is higher. So, it doesn't make sense that sustained is using. The right. And Could be's when any components rotate that our. The Reserve Not sure way to say hey is when should be lowered event and he's one Jr.. I'm thinking about Co. generated by entity framework, you know where you have lots of cycles circular references rather. that. It's an interesting issue, isn't it because you didn't write the code? And yet you know you can run into problems with serialisation. He may have to turn on. Specific flags in the in the. Jason, four matter. Or the Jason Dot net. what am I trying to say system that tax that Jason doesn't even handle some of those things. You can adopt the mentioned I. didn't fight, but. You. Take we have in the. namespace cycles that you could adopt kind of code. Because here even worse, because actually you're talking about the big. Concern can be a cigarette exalted than than not. Detected the development time. Clare but we did. Talk. Maturity so certain you try to find, but. Delete between static and dynamic. because. Maybe start taking your see Cedar, cycle that will own your career at one time. So sure about this. But. Typically do the rule of. PSYCHOSES programming. Typically, we like to be like the OCOEE. Psychic is not the white switch. To competent. Is Your your coat so? Of long time ago. And I took Nicole because so many guys so small white, some very small things. And between both on to North Forgets Butler deserves sense from your time. To lose inspiration from John, Lucas. Secret, spoke about liberalisation naturally because of Tim. Is. You don't want anymore psycho and mathematically when you don't have any more than you re key and each. T- each component. Right. Now ruko. Can Save. For example they can be donated from. The. US By. Me The. Doors then you are. You. Confident that only using. The from a bomb and then you have to. Then you can. Also, this is what Mitchell in. It can get your admitted. And delivered cannot be. computed. Daddy means there is a cycle, so this is another way. To? Psych quickly because the metric is just yeah. What's important? Is that not a need to get? Some advice is to break. Like what do like dismantled? Should your this wind? Discussed, the Newsday's one extra, which means that. You will have to use things like dependency injection. Okay you. Get your way obstruction. Because obstruction we checked. The. Long chain of dependency and Actually just is. Your. Impression it. But. Abstract. Yeah! You would hope you'd be passionate about. A. Structural mechanics something yeah I. Did have mentioned yet, but. This is a very very important way. To Architecture Your Code And the typically won't obstruction to be lower than. and. Then can be used to uncover two components for example so at one time. You will discover that he's using. But. Development Time you won't. Use each. Okay so this. This is typically year rezoned by your dependency. You can also measure the death of cold. So, how many classes? For is using using. So hollow along this guy. Do not because of you see when it's too low. It's time to build up a queue obstruction. Okay, but these days there is one for netease buried and to me. That is about testing. Because this day. Obstruction and specialty antitheses user lot for. Example? and. Soda Exists is in your coats. Okay context that is different that you are you intend to do so typically. You imaging how you should be. Architecture like new dream for example and. At this time when you talk confessed your code you that what you vote is not stable, right? Okay, and this is why we advice to be test I. Because then you CTO you. Don't call them. The. Problem! Okay. Actually. Test is not for me. About to a regression about correctness, but he talks about architecture right because issue. Is the. Cetinje, you get the good architecture waltz. To twelve mental because I knew. I would say more maintainable, but architectures a bigger concept's still you can still have week, architecture, but testable code. Yeah, I think to help each other certainly. Money goes no money because. Most. Of thing, you're in a good position to claim that the code would be mentioned about Natural Ya Choice. Factor the architecture, the. For sure if it's uncontestable code, it's almost certainly got architectural problems and is going to be difficult to fix. Absolutely. An one one under the person that is a very important to me. Stability! This is known as a Chevy or across that these test at all, but. Can you just steady scope. Immune along Mitchell. Just tour two thousand hours. Okay. Beat tested but. The thing is. Wearing when you have example ninety seven percent. You can say hey I'm. I did my job. To reach one hundred percent tests. then. Commits very important tried to tweet to overcome. because. FEW CONCERNS BACK A A-. And you can indigent you. Cab just subject. But to police that often the. When I think of three lines of code. Test, I think link. Just because it's such a complex expression like that's a tough thing to write a test to. Yeah. That's next. I. Think some very big. I know it. It's a bit drastic, but I like when things are. My definition of is not hundred percent. there is your point. Completely in Quebec Independence is very important. It's about contract. So contractors looks like fantasy, but just assertion. No matter which implementation of New. To me, it's very important asset everything you can in your coat. In you all. Like. We shouldn't have any more on your ability, but up any shoving schedule. You want to have a specific Ryan Joel. Is Very important to offset everything you can, because they each you code is hundred percent tested. To me. There also shouldn't that you have in mid. as as much. As, has assured you have in your test code nice as okay. When I've been leading teams, MIT starts pressing along assertions to meet says it's a very mature team. They understand the problem space well enough, and they understand their tooling while enough to lay down per limitation parameters upfront right, we can assert these things statement of confidence in my mind catching. OPTICIANS. Dissenting named that contracts. Coalmine McCready my. French guys like your best friend, Miami. But. The asked. Of course! Veteran You're living. Full for the mammal title each Marion potential just put as much as accession. Every time you said something in your hands where you're writing code presenter. Can Be Zero can be zero all district. Be Empty for example. Your own loop, so. Some assurance to make sure that they look in hand at the. Institute for better or during that you put as much. As you can in your clothes. And even more important is to make sure that right when you out exercising the code by tests bargaining tests. Official get broken. It's very important to make sure that you know about this this break the same way that should be no butter necessity breaking in. In into me, Migraine, I would like to have an assertion framework. That would work the same way, and beside. You could use the exact same assertion. Used exactly the same weird, so we went trimmer. Microsoft tried to do that with Microsoft contract ten years ago, but unfortunately. Your success. and. very tiny ninety one hundred percent cut coverage. Idea mentioned because. Issue one hundred percent. It means that you're covering all your shot the sizing. Because we are doing that for many years. You've been Cabeza. Can, radio, tastes! Lot of frustration a lot of them that that just come because we told. Now because we just reminded sometime, you just forget to make some checks so. Some you just introduced. BIC notable can be this way. Automatically. kind of going like. What am I? Catching some bags. And if you mix. Audition hundred percent coverage. Than you're very very sweet Gardner, very high of correctness. and. It's even more important that she gone. Do you? Why Code? You irons are not leave their year to test. It's not easy to destroy. Trigger what we did was we are. Pilots. Okay some tests that can take. Cigarette adjust by not. Exactly same way as a user would by the. Like cynic despondent. Sure gradual discussed. Whatever. And then It's very hard for us to assess. In the tests. But. It accorded saints. Get another of Schambori fight. And in fact, important is a bug at any initiatives so patrick. What's next for you? What's in your inbox? So by now, we are working hard to make sure the five. Nasal would be the way they're supporting. Somehow To be. Able to be there. because this is not true of course. Denton. We also work internally to migrate. Tippety to donate call tree, which anyway because the fight so? The sanctuary, so we to there. We still love the some. SORTA component that we need to get the results. Need, increments, and this is a good example of. Twice when you when you linking reserve, surtees Because the pointer when we'd have to win the full. Framework does work at. Provincial you. We also took in the disaster Joel People. To try gather some information about the plans to. Tour to handle donate five in order. To be as far as I. Know there is no truly. Hope is your job. This is not to November, but I mean the. Be just because of desserts extension. We want to to name so. If I reporting bizarre stories further than at five hundred six. We need to be there. At the same time with them, solely was snow to dig information about that now. We have a lot of work or so in the as you develop site didn't mention. but it so. Develops to. Okay so there is a special queue for the astrolabe extension where you can get. Information mentioned already. UK. Orders gear the develops. Extension had. been. MASHING Skew made false things like Jenkins or bamboo. Or Service. So! Yes, independence! DOTS. And We have some plans for for that to be like. Bringing on nukes, which will be very important because we don't bring a nukes. On More very interesting to see that of triumph. They're all they're searching reading. Newt, so we need to be there where. Is, into next. Two years. Interesting even with a robust products such as independent. There's still so much more to do so much more. Yeah well, it's great stuff. Patrick thanks very much for talking to us. Dally which you all the success in the world. Coloring. Vacation that all right, we'll see you next time on dot net rocks. Dot Net rocks is brought to you by Franklin's net and produced by top studios, a full service audio video post, production facility located physically in new London Connecticut, and of course, the cloud online at P. W.. O. P. DOT COM. visit our website at dot any R.. K. 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I don't know some of your to see the dolphins fan when I was five years old, Dan Marino. My my mother was sexually attracted to Dan Marino. She made me a dolphins fan. I mean who wasn't that hair? That's the legitimate eighties. That was some. So what are saying is Talladega? Well, no, I was saying I don't care about the draft at all because we're gonna be in the SEC championship Super Bowl, regardless doesn't matter. It is this time of year. It's a different day for me the rest of the NFL. This is like DVD for me. Like I every day come in today sitting chair. Three days the glory. The patriots DVD Subas to that. Like around this time as always when the Super Bowl vs come out. So I get that look forward to watch the Bruins playoff. And then I'll watch my Super Bowl DVD. Well, people are hanging on the drop. But the draft is brought to you by NASCAR not to be confused. Two different sports. Nascar is auto racing going to tell data tomorrow very excited. Big one on the boulevard Cates. Gonna be wrestling in a mud jello rest. Hell ES. Yes. That's exciting. In the draft NFL, so different sports. But the draft day rundown is presented by NASCAR. I did. They told her about two data joined barstool for the Geico five hundred at Talladega superspeedway this Sunday. April twenty eighth I'll be there down on the infield. All we can experience big one on the boulevard ourselves that sounds wild get the barstool ticket package which includes we can access to the infield ticks the race. Happy hour before the race with us and barstool merged. We got the merchant they handing out. The is Ricky Bobby with my face on it before go to a super speedway dot com slash parcel. Can't make it watch it Sunday to all be flippin watching Celtics start then too. So a lot of stuff going on. I feel like you're mad that I said you're Panthers. I'm not mad at all. Yeah. No. I I feel like I'm at all. I know go ahead. The first time I saw you. Use way Marino shirt. Dave. I was so. In september. Meltdowns of my life was in a Dan Marino shirt. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. But I didn't feel like wearing it. 'cause knew you would make fun of me for being a dolphin. I actually started really liking you today a little bit for the first time we had an off the record conversation. We were like the guy from my book. He was really upset when you came to really postal that made me really good. That's good. He also we finally have a true southerner. That's what's your is. Great. Everyone's talking about. Yeah. It was what do I don't know? Don't. For your free ads. I don't know about that, sir. I'm trendsetter when you beach like cool guy. Okay. So anyway. This is going to piss me off this piss me off. We we did a show two hours ago. We have a true southerner here. Now, I asked number one pick for dessert all time is banana pudding banana pudding. Finally, and he tweeted it and all his Mississippi State people are like damn straight. Brennan watchers, Mississippi State, people people from the south and other places in this country banana put and it's delicious. I number one off the board number one off banana pudding sounds like something that I don't think I'd like, but I'd like you'd like it. But it's not number one tastes like the inside of Kremlin a little bit put vanilla wafers on it. It's via fingers vanilla wafers. You just sit something totally different Vienna. Finger. Two different things. Just the cookies circle. Suck. Right. But if you put him in banana pudding, they get soggy from the bananas in there reading soggy shitty. Cookies the cookies. Putting is the one forever? I will taste your banana pudding. These to our new banana banana bread great doesn't really taste like banana products that don't taste like straight bananas. A good puddings not really the texture of putting a little weird. So what's your favorite dessert? I just an ice cream. Now, it's pretty one. West your life. That's too big run. I answered reser life Brennan, I'll give you my mother so cream cake. And it's actually that would be that might be. It's unbelievable NHL playoffs last night. So the caps eliminated by Carolina in Carolina. I had Carolina. You bet on Carol. Yes. And you gave me credit because on the rundown did got credit. So I said all along that was going seven what's crazy now? Looking today. Bruins are the favorite to win the Stanley Cup which is wild Boston. Just keeps going right marina. Although it's not good being a favor of the NHL playoffs hasn't been good. So and by the way, we miss an epic. Yeah. I mean that on the dog dog verse Frankie. Are you kidding me per second? You sit down to my appointment losing fourteen forty seconds of this fucking game. Charlie game off in that room. I refused to let you guys watching that room. Shot out the grin and Walker. He's he's puck daddy eleven two on the ice twelve twelve and to sorry my fault. Now. It's a collision course islanders. Bruins is. Thrones ask I've been very nice to Frankie's my guy through my I I through my first salvo Adam today when I talked about I wrote a blog the angel needs the Bruins when the east because the other three teams. No, one cares about Carolina. Nobody cares about Columbus. And nobody cares. The Brooklyn islanders. So that's so mean, but it's the Brooklyn. I mean, they are now Brooklyn Brooklyn, Brooklyn island as much as Frankie's. He's like, oh, we have the best fans of the world. Everyone Nassau specifically had a referendum to build a new stadium in it lost. No, the Brooklyn islanders are the Brooklyn. Islanders for reason. So I think I'm gonna go to Brooklyn. I understand. Frankie said he tried to get me banned from the Brooklyn islanders, and I actually said that I said, you can tell me this. I said if I put my if I put my really my full effort into it. I could get him banned from the Barclays Arnon non called, the Brooklyn. That's the only thing that I will add to this rundown. Do your thing. So if we went a ban off like called in all your favors can get the person. Barkman your bigger favor. Well, I don't know. I think you guys are both go the same person, and he'd side with Frankie. I don't know about that. I haven't you. I'd have. The same person go here. Yeah. I do. I do I think he would we can call them for this. I think in this case, he would I actually don't even think I would go with him because I think I have a different route. We should do it. Let's see who can get the other person's conduct it into the door. Good luck. No, good luck. New york. New York Brooklyn. Brooklyn. New york. What I mean? Islanders. Yes. Gotcha. They're cold. New York savers. So I think the ideal what NHL matchup would be Saint Louis verse Boston. That's a pretty pretty good story. Louis because that's like a fairly historic. Good for Colorado is in there like a new franchise market wise getting Dallas, and there wouldn't hurt the that's true shit. But he's what if they made the Stanley Cup just in like, maybe Dallas, I wouldn't hate seeing whole could you imagine ruins verse little Qatar, San Jose. You have the bet with him though. I do have that within. So if he wins you get to basically steal Cup day. But if you win here, then you can be like, well, I want a you can come to my company. There's something there. Yeah. We he owes me if he ever went Stanley Cup. I'm with him during I guess that would actually be bad for his right? Joel. NBA playoffs guys. First of all, I did Houston money line. Mas four ninety I think last night. So can you have the money line to I probably with something else? But yeah, I've been all in on Houston. They looked like the same old rockets to me last night. Like it got tight hard in what shoot they were choking. They looked like no answers is just Utah was I mean, Ricky Rubio that airball three and he had a good game to the whole thing. I don't know why I was literally almost threw up one. They missed two free throws up one. I was like I couldn't watch the game. And then Golden State. No answers about Golden State was the lock of the century the easiest bit of the entire playoff. I would have put. Everything I have on the money line. I it wasn't offered. Like, my brothers too big. If it was I would have my life. Doc. I would've said I will die one hundred forty thousand. What was eleven hundred or something would have been no way more than that. Maybe thank I would've put my if you said, I'll give you a million. Die. If they lose all take take people name my book, they'll take an invest you got. I'll call very easy thing to take when you don't pay and if I can be I'll take any just won't pay goddamn think gambling segment. So yeah, forget those frauds over there, which are run a legally couldn't even pay bring Walker. So he came here because ain't pay their bills gambling segment presented by point spat. New Jersey's premium sportsbook. Sign up at the code barstool. Get your first two bets guaranteed up to five hundred dollars each and fell drafts. Odds boot you Kyle Murphy to be the first pick at plus one hundred plus one hundred. Color Murray as well. What I say Hirfi? Take from them. I don't think I said I think as Kyle Murray. The more biased guys we got. What are you talking about? Is this real joke on me? I just asked are you said? He said, he said collar Murphy. He that's what I'm the statue. I'm like the fact check this worry this one back. No, you one hundred one the one the other room one who's sitting digitally. Murphy was plus so even plus one hundred dollars is that code for even. Yeah. Even which is great because I think he's like minus five hundred everywhere else. Six hundred. Gets words draft. Now, we're talking draft. We just moved to the next subject Stephen chase up here. He's got he's glowing. He's literally glowing even Shays one of the most delusional e is Jonas, I explained it perfectly. He is the type of person and I love him for this. Who when he's wrong. It's not. He was wearing a little. Is wrong. He's not wrong. It's the system was wrong is American flag bucks pin? Basically, it said his ear book sooner actually this to me. That's awesome. Words as thing. This is what I said my bog is a day when it's all it's all rainbows. Everything's looking out for the bucks. Steve. Che today's day you pin your broken dreams to ideal in the currency of hope and today's. Yeah. Check the bucks taken. They stay at five probably LSU linebacker, Devon white. Hopefully, Josh Allen from Kentucky. I love your show. And he's a. And he's a billions if he falls dreams ear. So the little side note, you just mentioned Josh Allen. So the Kentucky sports radio one of their buddies owns like building like right next to the draft. Like right next to the draft from what I've gathered near the stage front facing. So the crab will see it. They put a huge Josh Allen banner. The NFL made them take it down because it's the POS. They had a little NFL logo. This guy's building owns it. So they called me up, and they're like the building owners pissed and wants to put now the clown on the thing, but it was like so fast. But now this and I was willing basically do anything. But like if they got him to take that down. How do you think they're not going to get the clown? And he's like it'll be too late. And then there's seventy windows in the building that was gonna clown and each the guy went dark. There's very few who have earned Cadel gosh, there is very few of the internal fortitude. Hence stand up to. Locked into that bar, and we're like, right? So we were listening to the wiretap conversation with deport. It's literally the last exchange. I had with the Kentucky's was radio guys. I'm like what's the best way to get the signs? How many windows he said fifty seventy five just called him to see what he wants to do. He's going to call me back. Is it any word eleven thirty. He's gone missing. NFL probably had them killed. And he's like beginning to wonder that. Imagine if I clone that building I don't know if you want to involve yourself in this like. I myself more. Yes, I'm on the next play. But it fell apart. Sorry. The bucks bucks or your you answered. Good luck. I hope you get everything you want more on this day. Do you like the LSU you like them what it's just very high for an inside linebacker. I mean those items. Oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't. I don't hate LSU. I hate every team SEC not name Mississippi State. I just don't think he's gonna play. I think it's overrated. Josh Allen the best player in the draft. Josh Allens nasty. Allen is very very good. Yeah. That was Josh Allen should be the number one pick in any of the year. But airs Williams, you only him not he's okay. He's good. He's very good. But he's not as good as Josh L. The best. Description of Williams was given by teammate journal who said blocking Williams trying to block of three hundred pound barf, soap, very, very hard like very slippery hands. Be also the whole whole thing. So we'll hands or made a soap and the legs. He floats waters. Well, then that's really hard mention and not just the torsos soap, correct draft expert, ladies and gentlemen, senior draft analyst. In your draft going after mcshea on PMT was seized. So fucking funny. I'll let him have it. We got the Roman Harto say Harto's the week is two big ones. Keep swipes in your back pocket for a longer better sex. What? What? RT's keeps your back pocket for longer better. So I got these confused with dude dude wipes. Roman Harto's the week keeps swipes in your back pocket for longer better. Sex get yours fast with free two day shipping. Get Roman dot com slash rundown. So we have to we have Barzel Carl who got into it with a new guy someone's an into. Oh, I thought it was him. No. Okay. Perfect. So this guy the Uber guys very mad because he called them. And then cancel them this guy sayings, he's headed self in Chicago, which I guess the problem he basically said he's going to eliminate him. And then he's like pick up you. Fuck. Fuck. Great rant. Hello. No one is available to take your call. Please leave a message after the tone. Sanyo fishy June. Dr. You know, it's pretty rude during your phone when you're taking over dry. I'm going. I'm received that will I will. Remind us that will take you. I mean. Cancer. You're are going south. Do me a favor. Your phone because you know. This out of my way to to pick you up or ninety answering my phone that's very room. Not you. Fuck you. Okay. Kim. Tired of this ship? Little suck and pieces shit your way to drink to train for the metro station. That's why he's there. You fuck yourself. Yeah. Go fuck yourself. Piece of shit. Yeah. Piece a shit. Guys. Say you guys are nothing but pieces shit. Charged. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I get it a little bit. How fast you cancel in? I also agree with Carl. I hate Hooper guys when you order, they call, you instantly. Yeah. It's like an absolute peppy. Yup. What we understand how it works. Verse is homerun flip guy. Looks like Japanese Korean baseball does a flip onto home plate. This to me. You're gonna hit home plate. He misses the plate number one point says well that suc which is the bigger Harto. Can I ask a question about the flip? I would like to you describe the flip. I haven't watched it yet. Do these stop do a backflip today? Just roll into the flip. He ran into the front flip in flipped over the plane watch he landowners feet, though. Yeah. Here's here's a little here here on give you your first run down, you go watch the video is I mean, that's what we're talking about here on the rundown told me about the rundown minute and a half before the other tip your only find out a minute. Always be. Like, just just send the subject look. Nothing's this video if I gave you a minute. It took ten six, okay. Basically read the internet front tobacco. Every just to be ready. All right. That's that's on me. I'm sorry about that. My ashes Uber driver that pause where he goes to silence. And then he just let's fuck fuck. Fuck. Fuck very room. Fuck you. You that's so much anger like deep inside of his heart. And I agree with Carl to like being driver probably fucking sucks deal with like a bunch of kids canceling puking like all that shit. But American baseball such there's such so many pussies in American baseball. We get mad about backflips. We get mad about staring. This guy did a front flip onto the plate. If he did that in in America. It would be the biggest story he'd get murder bird. So you got him. I like it. I I'm on Hoover pet peeves. I feel like Uber guys now are accepting rides too far away. Yes, it's. And it will just be like ten minutes away, flips right? Who that's like ten Yali fucked expect that so big time. Yeah. Pet peeve is the guys who both the front seat and their seat will be like all the way back is probably a big guy pet peeve, and they won't like adjusted for you. So you basically stuck in the back seat and the fucking you're like just crammed in there. It's like broken and give me like just an intra plucking legroom here. Do you guys ever sit in the front seat and over with people? No, I do that every time. I sit in the front seat weird. Do you probably have bad Uber rating, though, you're reading it out? I've only had seven overrides my life over there. I no. Bring it to her. I don't there's going to be the answer that question. I'm going to. I'll probably ask that question. A lot like do this Mississippi, and I'm gonna expect the answer would be no everytime should bring Uber and do a daily show from driving around. We just I worked for barstool now. But we we just do we just got over in starkville, Mississippi, starkville, Mississippi State, Mississippi, stocks start Vegas, would you call starkville? I don't talk very well say, and I'm not saying that that is the worst college town in America. They're far away wrong. Is a joke. Kind of a start joking about like, hey, I'm not joking. People say that say that I agree with that. It is a completely erroneous take. It is wrong is bullshit. This is. Aims even though Mississippi. Everyone's is. Texas Tech Lubbock over Homa never been. But I've never been either. I'm just throwing throwing them out. Okay. That was smart you for sure I'll ones that were just on the borderline where I have a problem I o anyway. So I don't mind throwing out there. I was Trent look like you could be cousins longstanding beep. I want said something about I oh, they didn't like and they sent their whole state after me. You wanna know what it is? Okay. When Mississippi State law Paul in Tampa, I went on a stream and said, it really sucks losing to the slowest whitest team in the big ten, and they hated that. They really got pissed off. This is the when you swim in up on the internet like here, and there's people down here doing their thing. I would've never thought we would have had like an outback bowl rivalry with misses. The other part of the story in Iowa. What was the other part of the story after the game? So yeah. Well, I did the stream after the game. Right. And I got difference. I really telling me, where's your hotel? They were trying to find out where my hope. Yeah. I wasn't not sound very I told him the portable pool after what was the pool after that tell you apart was that was drinking last night. No, oh, my wife my daughter, and I went to the pool. That's right. We went from from the game. I was pissed off been two thousand dollars to go down there to lose to Iowa to eight hundred two thousand dollars. To eight and four teams. What teams this is good? I watch really really shitty. Shitty. Teams play me and my daughter go back to tell. She's ten years old. I trip for her to go to a bowl game for strip with daddy to go to Mr. mistake. That is so we're first trip ever. Whereas the pool we're about to go, and we're gonna have a good time and a couple of Iowa fans out there, Chad Austin, whatever come out there, and I'll say all right shit. We're leaving we left teen hours. Drove back. I got in the car at four o'clock Florida time, I got home at four o'clock central time in the morning, and the entire way I o fans who got my phone number off the internet. We're destroying me. Like an alternate universe though. I actually know like, I know people who games for like vacation got logged on barstools sports. That's all I can tell you. We did. I'm pretty sure somebody picked it up. Here they go. Congrats. When I made the big time that the fast got in the car, you're like, all right? Fuck it daughter. Like sorry. You're I bake Asian over noon because we lost the outback first case first daddy daughter. We'll get first ballgame story here. Lebron made a video he's watching TV. They said there's a rift between him in the Lakers. He made one of his all time just dumb stupid videos like there ain't no riff. Through. True at all. Facility right now. No, you're wrong in he's like in the ladies out. Could I not like the Lakers? I'm working out the Lakers facility. I'm just here for all the LeBron drama, and the fact he's not in the playoffs. I love it. Lebron guy. I like the Brian James. Humid. I'm not a fan of Laker. Lebron james. Lebron? And LeBron he tries tries to Harwood videos like. Think that started in LA, I don't but his talent and his ability has superseded that for so many years, and it didn't do as you have these in LA is a much bigger place. Never one without a superstar better than him on the team does totally incorrect. Dwayne way was never better than LeBron James. Brian rear when he's not the best player on this. Well, yeah, it's when he doesn't make the place guys like guys like Kobe Bryant he had to have help shot. Who had the shotting schools Irving hit us shot it. Well, steve. The shot against the Spurs. Did Jon Allen to John Paxson half to hit a shot for Michael Jordan wanna jam shift till I did. Well, it Michael Jordan hit it like a million. Lebron James almost losses in history NBA finals. Well, I'm sure there's somebody so. I think that's. Yeah. Yeah. West. All right. I was just asking. Okay. I think he lost one wondering eleven three and six Jerry West questions. Here's finals record is shitty. Okay. Yeah. He's just his his issuing rights record is shitty. Y love you though Walker because guess what we needed a banana pudding. Lebron James second best player. That's who you are. Putting I think I think he's you don't have to create super teams when you're the second best player role time. I feel like we don't give. We did on him for that. But there's been super teams from the beginning of time. Yeah. I don't even care about the super Larry Bird. Eight it. He didn't create a, but he was Johnson been created. But he was no e you these guys you don't run and create other. You don't go recruit your friends a lot today's NBA directly reflection. A hint. He's ruined the sport glance states because of feel like Kevin ran then what he didn't ruin the league because he's following the LeBron James. Well, yeah. The super team model. Celtics, the super team before LeBron is a trait Ray Allen trade trade trade. It's still the super team. No, well, it's like not. It's they happen to be good players that played on one team. But it wasn't haying go recruit, my friends leave my teams high and dry. The Celtics still hate rail. Because he went to our Jeremy I'll show you video. I did pizza view with Ray Allen. And I confronted him. So intense, and is the heart of it. But I. It was it was for me. He like. This. No one ever knows Japan. You don't like you step enough. Is like to tell you. Tell me you love me. Tell me that you want me tell me that you put in the situation. Get better known like what are we gonna do here? They're by. Well, you know, there's always that. Will you know, when they you know? By the time. They. Sox plays in. So it is unfortunate and hardest thing probably I've had to deal with because I had great mind with place. I wanted to be was where I was. Would you your job whatever it is database? They don't cherish you about. You know, you you sit there, and you said you're so they spun it I mean, they spun it the other way. News like with thing, everybody spun. Yeah. And guess who didn't say anything, right? Here's the reality. Tweet. Obviously many rail tweets news masturbating in these like, I'm getting. Al right Allie after took less money to go to our enemy. That's why. Okay. Who does your who's your ball team? We played basketball less trench here. No, he doesn't do you know with documentary. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I play. All right. Good talk. He wouldn't. We gotta get that footage. The nineteen Ninety-seven slam dunk contests high school, you did he there's only two hundred people in hospital, but that's still kiss. Yeah. Good few. They did not ask me to play on the barstool basketball team last night. Even though I was high did I absolutely I six guys they went out there. They sucked win they lost. And I asked I asked you. I literally went up to you. But you're not the GM true. But I did ask you. All right. So don't say I didn't ask you ask. You what good? If you're not gonna be here that often do you want like one guy coming in like skews, your whole rating system may get putting more competitive league. All they had that big guy from last chance you I didn't really even wanna play. I just wanted to complain about not playing. I I like that. I'm a fan. All right. I think it's at data excited. I am how close is that to you? We're told anybody what what I'm doing this weekend with? Mardi mush is going on with him to watch it in his bat cave. Martin coming to Mississippi to watch it with me, I've never met. Death in the family, but he's coming back, and they're gonna do like a live stream because I actually watching data coming to my house to watch data with me in Mississippi. He does. Okay. You look confused. Like, why is that happening? I mean, that's. It will be funny. I can answer. I'm sure we'll be that question because sales guy downstairs doesn't know the first thing about content decided what we're gonna do was an electric chair for the last fifty races of data with Tommy and Tommy read the Email out loud in front of me is like who sent that. And he said the name, and I was like definitely not doing it that guy. I don't know. Why like they think they can tell us what we're doing for lectures. And then we had to brainstorm, we'll what would be funny and interesting mush in the bat cave. That's good play about yet. Yeah. I mean, obviously, initially I was like why the fuck is mardi mush going to actually came into my office today that guy and it has a question for you. You the one who sent Tommy smokes that Email is like. Why? Well, me the sales guys we're talking about will. It'd be good content. What makes you think, you know, a good content is don't ever do that? Again. I was flabbergasted. I thought maybe I was like a secret NASCAR fan. Are you giving a draft pick tonight for walk the line? No, I do need to look at the Bruins game tonight. I I am I to puck daddy. I love you know, puck that that's a different guy. Oh, really different. I like the underdog what Dallas I like them on the road. I don't like the blue jackets enough. I'm not going to bet on that game. I think the Bruins are gonna win. And I think it's boring to pick a hippie. It's tough. It's tough. I don't know what what is the odds in that. I haven't loved the blue jackets plus one forty five one one seventy or something the problem is. And I don't know how to do is to wildly different things. The blue jackets coming off what nine ten days rest. The bruins. How do you get up for game one after having? I think that's. I don't know. That's what. My question is the lightning were the best team in hockey. All year are the blue jackets really gonna win five games in a row against two of the best team. I don't think they're going to do the playoff Bruins. The Bruins were there. Plus four sixty to win the Cup of the islanders changed in the same. Yeah. They're five. I forget what we're there. Five hundred. I that's it. So all right. That's the rundown last one of the week days. Could.

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welcome bonus bet online dot agee your online wind sportsbook experts and the exclusive partner of podcast one sports net defeated every champion from every organization the sport of mixed martial arts has ever seen henry tiredly octagon it the biggest draw and the industry's highest paid athlete of all time and now now jail stone ends on podcast one dot com emperor that your welcome what's happening guys happy day thank you for joining another special episode of you're welcome some news that came out yesterday john lineker was released from his yossi contract now i should tell you as the speculation goes around that i am going give you some information i'm going to give you some accurate information but then i'm gonna tie some loose ends together which i may not be right about i'm jumping around on this okay let's start at the very beginning k john lineker released from usa but the question becomes why why would he released an why doesn't appear to be mad at why his management matt a large part of the narrative at least up until the recordings of this very show for you right now is hey john let her her got screwed that is surprisingly harsh treatment why did this happen to him almost like a victim status could be true that could be accurate but there is evidence of that there are some guys who were coming in asking for their release for whatever reason maybe opportunity elsewhere where here you remember when we went to the timeframe guys wanna go box i don't think that would pertain to winokur maybe he has an opportunity somewhere else he wants to testify i don't know and i don't even know that he did that but i noticed this coming on the heels of british over dome just going in doing that in coming out in telling us that suffer meter suggest that is a possibility and the u s c just met him halfway in granted him what that is possible not what i think happened i'm just sharing with you some of the reports out there on what happened are coming to you without evidence here's what it would appear to me lynn occur in the timeline of this really matters lineker recently within the last couple of months publicly said he would like to be released from the u s c that he has taken a job at a pet store to make ends meet because they're not offering him fights then you add three came amount of said hey wait just a second we do offer you fights in the team same timeframe that we offer other guys fight as a matter of fact we have a short notice fight for you right around the corner interview and get down to the weight and you could walk out there and get license and you wanna go do this when we gonna let you go go get a payday so he accepted the fight and then it'd be absolute i believe is gonna fight font at the last second fight week something happened where he wasn't feeling well went to the doctor doctor doctor cleared him said you're good to go commission cleared and everything's on and then he pulled he goes i'm just not gonna do it i'm out that was the most recent contact with you see that he had prior to being a form that he was released you may look at that and say that treatment with a little harsh you may be right to say that but now let me give you some more timeframe and backup to back up to two thousand thirteen ish lenna crew is put an opportunity three three times consecutively where he was told if you win this contest your next fight will be for the championship lennick kirwin out in missed weight at one the fight so dana has to come out of okay wait a second the deals off i can't can't put you into a championship fight where you must make weight when you just missed weight but let's just make the same deal do another fight if you win that i'll put you in for a championship letter comes out he missed his weight he wins the fight dagger okay you really put me in a hard spot here but let's make the same deal one more time when this next fight that'll be you're number one contender though that'll be you're semis final push infra champion let it commissions wait wins the fight now relevance to the stories in that timeframe there is a policy particularly with joe silva then if you missed weight andrew lost you're out it was never written down it was never told anybody but if you followed what had happened the guys it was a a cardinal sin two strikes in the same weekend you were out fine example of that would be rumble johnson caitlin occur wasn't some huge commodity nobody in the history of the time of being a fan has ever said i'm gonna buy pay per view tonight because john lineker's on that just hasn't happened rumble johnson people have done that for you i gotta stop what i'm doing go sit on the couch rumbles finding that rumble missed weighed against v tore lost the fight boom he's on the regional circuit so is a very hard and fast rule and the only reason and i bring it up is if you are looking right now in coming to the conclusion to this harsh treatment for winokur which you could be right but you go back and look at the whole time line you will also have to come to the conclusion the boy he was shown some real preferential treatment at one point he was put in my final two semis find the semis missed way for all three of kept his place on the roster and that wasn't two thousand thirteen stay consistent all the way up to now so just make sure you balance those two guys i would never kick somebody when they're down i think the letter is down right now if being information that were giving the rules they unilateral release is true if that isn't true any asper the release i mean he did do that publicly about sixty days ago where he said hey guys release me i'm not staying busy enough just one of these tough spot you know in in you'll always find in the sport and particularly in this sport which is a tough sport but it's a tough her business k the business side it's tougher it's like any entertainer anybody in hollywood her any actor they're not gonna get very far in the business by talking about the time they had a principal role in a movie that was made five years ago their entire job within the week great role academy award emmy award winning whatever it is golden globe awards they give you guys got my point not gonna get anywhere your entire job within the business of being another ten is to get the next job that's it what happened yesterday does not matter does performance wise doesn't businesswise so your job is just to make sure that you get another job but you get another role but you get the next town the next weighing in the next walk that's the business side hard to do in you'll see some people will always come out and go that guy treated differently that athletes treated differently that's not fair you'll hear that a lot make sure you understand yes there there is two different standards you will have what i call the mutant you will have any muted the does not fit into the fold somebody like john jones who has been on the deniable skill set or relentless marketer light conor mcgregor which is also eight very unique neak in standout an important skill that can do things all the way down i'm gonna show up for work when i feel like showing up for work and everybody's kinda just go sit around guy okay that's really annoying now the most helpful attitude but we will be here when you decide the show that it every blue moon but that is true and then you of everybody else and as i as i put lineker under that category sounds very condescending by me but it's not meant to be as much as it's a bit of a sensitive topic we're just gonna tackle is saying head on most athletes would fall into be would occur category which is your interchangeable with many other people who have very like skills just like in nb eight where there's three hundred and fifty guys in the league there's only a few stars the rest of the guys don't have much better skills and a lot of these other guys coming out of bmc the blade that is a hundred percent true how do they keep their spot they don't do anything stupid when the ball comes to them that is how they keep their spots that could be literal for being on the court you get the ball and you get it till the braun you're playing defense you don't fowley other guy incentive to the line and you can't you're bass back to the bench you're nice the travel with a pleasant locker room and you're going about your day that is one way to not do anything stupid with the ball the starting july is going to be a scorcher when it comes to sports action as major league baseball the usa see major league soccer and women's world cup keep the scene interesting in the usa the dominant john jones is set to continue his winning ways tomorrow night against iago santos also in the usa tomorrow night holly home looks to get back on championship track she squares off against amanda nunez there is only one place that has covered in one place i trust that's bet online dot agee sign up today for a free account at bet 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things were students at the ball and that's hard when other guys have interchangeable skills when you are one of the rare mutants who is standing out it's just a hard spot this isn't about lineker's it's were using let occur but the bigger point and make a bigger lesson here when you have one commodity to the business which is your performance and then you don't have an open mind and even in excitement about going out an performing you are now interchangeable and that's just the whole reality so very cold reality in when you worry decision maker in the business it can be very frustrating when you show up for work seven seven days a week riskin grinded out long days and then the people that you do that for the create an environment don't wanna show up when you're only gaskin show three times that could just be a frustration where that that car's gonna hit and you're gonna go then i gotta find somebody else there needs to be an excitement which there always is with in this space but over time it turns into a job the very first day somebody gets that phone call they signed that all my gosh they're excited they're gonna social media they're calling mom and dad up it's a celebration it's a great thing and then over time it feels like man i have to do this and i don't know if i wanna do this in that can be really tough when everybody else is involved there needs to be that genuine excitement you were not drafted the have to do this volunteer army you either want to do it or you do not and it could be a very off putting attitude if you are one of the people who does not want to do it when at the other end of business is up and comers who were doing anything at any time screaming from the roof tops fighting the dog parks sleeping on her friends so far bombing gas money to get to the gym because they would like that opportunity at some point you gotta make a tough decision to open up a spot and bring one of those guys and that hope that guy can keep their excitement can keep the one and the drive in the fire it's a very tough spot but the real lesson here i will tell you two guys who have stood out over the last very small period of time eighteen months fifteen months anthony smith and ben aspirin they had been given a lot of opportunities a lot the one thing with those guys do is win the phone rings they say yes and they're excited about the phone ringing they still have their passion they still enjoy the grind and the competition in the hustle any attention they enjoy the business in is very significant is a very significant the lessons and make sure that you're observing this you know i i have to pay a compliment to eight now mr john jones with the memo says the mind of the pima complement there is something very refreshing about the return of john jones and he said this before he fought alexander gusta sin he said i'm gonna fight gosh i wanna fight for more times this year anybody they wanna give me that i was really nice talk when john was doing it at a time when john really needed a friend when john really needed somebody to go out and go okay you're saying all the right stuff let's give you a chance but it didn't go away john as a matter of his work john told the fans he told his supporters is coaches the promotion i want to stay busy you pick their opponent burnham on anybody i like it to be a two and a five pound anybody he's now doing that but there is something thin hopeful about it in he is now on fight week it is they star studded unloaded weekend in he will walk outlast he's being rewarded for that but he still has excitement and he's still got the passion and that's something very important that you understand that you keep including if it is an act including the business and the miles in the hits in the kick start to wear on you maybe you got a fake it till you make it maybe you gotta be an actor that's gotta consume and take on a roll and pretend to be somebody he's not but i the way that element has to be there or you 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jcp dot com for details now back to your welcome with jail son is very you got fondly h e w it's very interesting because i despise everything they're doing it's incomplete piece of crap as a show but they're completely competing against the wwf which is a bigger piece of crap as a show probably not true probably equal but just garbage right it's just garbage what they're put it out and it seems like such an opportunity let's back up here here's the deal professional wrestling does not exist anymore hasn't existed san definitely definitely over by nineteen ninety two but on its way out the door much more like eighty nine and then some of the height of it was more in the very late seventies here's the difference professional national wrestling was eight show that was designed to look like two guys competing with one another that had an actual grudge end were looking to settle a dispute very similar to mixed martial arts the difference between they are cooperating they're just not going to appear that they're cooperating and then you had the most basic script which was good guy versus the bad guy works every time works in every television show every book every play in every movie ever made it's a great scrip one guy you cheer for one guy you cheer against we get it simple bring it on somewhere over time the wrestlers wanna show they were more athletic do they were real athletes they could hit back flips they could climb up on the top rope income off somewhere over time they wanna show the naked entertain so you had the steel folding chair which frankly always works and if you've ever fool around with the steel folding chair it does not hurt isn't easy profit sitting ranked but it's metal it looks dangerous and it makes a really loud noise okay great that was this far they ever needed the gopher me why they started getting into ladders bottled barb wire tables which is now just an absolute constant every night of wrestling i don't really know i watched it happen and i watched better athletes come in that were leaner some of them even smaller than what we're used to and they could do more things athletically a lot of it's aerobatics and things along this line but i got it then somewhere in the late nineties they brought the luge doors to america now these guys were so fun but they were totally different end of the spectrum where they were going about a hundred and forty two hundred and fifty pounds in it was oh move salts end flips and coming off the top rope and land on the guy in the third round all this insanity sanity but that's what it was they openly let you know they don't even call it wrestlers even call it entertainment which they were doing by that time they called it the loop two doors so you news specifically what that marketing and branding was going to bring you and there was some technique acne and some holes in some maneuvers that were so fast paced and so shocking because they were never seen before there was something there see anywhere from one of those on a card maybe you throw to are a tag team match on the entire car specialty act somewhere over time it's just a higher level of ridiculous ridiculous this you can get to for some reason the fans like so i don't get it come out and tell you this is a real piece of crap when they're selling out arenas in recor time that would make me br bike show how come you're not getting us while you're not catching on it would just seemed to me that if you had some of the budget set you have now some of their exposure in the marketing of the networks you have now but you could still make it professional wrestling which is much better evidence of every movie book play a story ever told good guy versus bad guy white hat vs black cat heat versus cheers it just seems like you would have something better than the ridiculous mr they do now now they don't even hide it there's nothing believable about it they don't even want you to believe but they just want you to sit there and be entertained it's ridiculous i'm stunned that people are entertained by it i can't remember the e t w days but we just violent in gruesome self self mutilate i mean barb wire these guys were wrestling and barbed wire and so many people in the audience watching it choosing to cheer for the joy that were spending reality so far thinking where cnn showing this is all well scripted with hollywood entertainers there's an stunts in affects in fake blood in that bar wires probably a soft as could be a boy it sure looks like they didn't realize no man there's none of those things that actual barb wire picked up from the hardware store these guys arnon bag they're not in safter they're not protected in the least they are mutilating themselves in your cheering for which means they're gonna come back and do it again next week as long as you're gonna come back and cheer for that was the disconnect from the audience many people still to this day they still don't realize what they were watching even in the day when they were watching in cheering for easy w so now you've got this new era eighty dollars one call eight w e h e w n yeah they still they still got some performers you know exactly what they're doing the trick chris jericho's come on come out there they're gonna be athletic they're gonna go hard in between they're gonna entertain the hell out of you but they're never going to insult you they're never gonna come out and do something crazy and ridiculous that nobody wants to see it's not gonna go out there and do a holding a technique that you couldn't miss at least make believe would actually work in actual fight which is what this is being portrayed as it's just a it's a very weird thing to see what happens my evidence but i'm right though is that the saudis now bringing in w w we paying a ton of money creating all sorts of havoc amongst the locker room for the guys that are chosen a given these huge payday and get a good of saudi arabia it's all the old dogs and so many people are making these misconception the well you know these guys were older which just means they've been around longer which just means they've got more exposure which just means they're bigger stars and that's what the saudis once and i'm looking at go not so fast all of those things are true however those older guys would be older mind lines that are still coming out of following the recipes and i'm laying out for you now which is that is professional wrestling not sports entertainment innovate good guys versus bad guy we both want to win we're gonna go out there and make this look competitive even though it's cooperatives and everybody knows it were going to make it look competitive because why we asked are fans to suspend reality we do not want to insult are fans by forcing them to just let go of all forms of reality it would just seemed to me that i feel like i have proven my point without oh see what you guys think but i feel like i have i've seen this other walks of life whenever i come through television it doesn't matter if i was on the set first said it was a big motion picture or anybody in tv this ever seen a camera in their life will stand it tooth and nail and value that the sopranos was a great show even though it was garbage but i feel when i tell you it was garbage that i can prove it to you which only stumps women infuriates but there are great shows out there jerry seinfeld office i mean i i could tell you a lot of holy a really great shows out there the went on to do great syndication then went on to do great on in demand the went on to make box sets back when people were indeed dvd's or seldom off the shelf i cannot show you anybody who has ever rewatch they rerun of the sopranos on their own i never met that person i am not the person who will tell you how that was captivating tv in wonderful not one of those actors is working today because they were terrible i don't know of any of those writers in her writing that don't know the directors directing today you would think the directors directing the biggest things in hollywood and that's why everybody feels compelled the kiss his that's the way they do but i cannot show uae person yet who has ever gone out on their own and sought out eight rerun of the soprano office has not been on the air in years netflix announced they're going to leave it on netflix service for another two years and then pull it in there is an outrage people are worried they cannot get their fix ob office syndication they had had access to for years they're worried they won't be able to get it after the year two thousand and twenty one any outrageous already began that's it's a great show i've never met in person in this is a challenge to you guys and could anyone of you when i started this razor handle the sopranos was awesome how dare you say that okay great have you ever gone back and rewatch ever do you own the box that have you talked in here remote control have you gone into the search 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Hour 2: 9/16/2019

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 2: 9/16/2019

"No one's been part of more first days of work than car harbor and in the same way rookies have to keep earning respect Carl Hart never stops earning the respect of hardworking people like you since eighteen eighteen eighty nine cohorts got your back twenty four seven visit carshield dot com forward slash. CFP The Paul Finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the capital on sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment two percent of grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms terms apply cried passion. Then pattern tree of college football leaves Keer. This is the Paul Finebaum show our two podcast back second hour is live and underway. We really active and interesting first hour more of your calls at eight five five. I two four two seven two five Daniels in South Carolina. Hello Daniel. Here's what's going on ball either. Yeah I mean how you doing. I'm doing great. I've been trying to get on the show for a long time. Tom Big Clemson fan man. Dan and I just kind of one of big ear and see what you thought about a Hutu best. quarterback is in college football right now. I Know Trevor Lawrence has been raised. If I had to have one quarterback he would probably still be Trevor Lawrence. the heisman races a totally different question but I think if we were drafting quarterbacks he would be my first pick. Yes Sir yeah. I think Daniels Dan. We'll try to figure that out but it's difficult to watch and listen when we are on a delay Labor. Thanks for the call anyway. Joe Is Jacksonville. You're on the air. Hello Joe Call I just wanted to say gators. Keep finding a way to win and excited to hear your interview with Josh Allen We know speaking for a few people we really appreciate. He living these kids chance Komo on air. You know give them the little spotlight on your show. I have to say I I it's one of them. It's one of my favorite things I Iran deteriora- Wilson Saturday A and Lexington and we've had a couple of conversations with him and and I I realize we all put these guys on pedestals and deserve it most of the time but it's it's always it's fun to so to talk to them one on one and and just see what they're all about and I think I think you're gonna like Josh yeah very excited for that. also did I know you I I'm probably south. Carolina fans haven't called. I watched that entire game. did you have any objections actions with a couple of calls from the did and I I mean I. It's hard to watch a game and not fine fall but I'm I'm trying to watch the one call that that must champ was so upset about. I'm trying to remember where it wasn't a game. The kids need down the end of the first half right okay. Let's few seconds they wouldn't stop it. The replay official and then must have either could have learned the time out or you know. It was kind of a you know somebody. Somebody needed to make a call there and questions why didn't he. I don't know I mean I guess he could have called a time out but I don't think he wanted to give Alabama anytime time to drive down the field. You know what I mean that and then holding on the fake field goal. was there a very loose call ipad. I'm sure Mr Carville Louisiana was taken belts. you know I don't know James Carville still alive yeah. I know I was just asking toward. I went but I mean. Also I gotta give you a hard time about this Alabama schedule. They're only undefeated team could do this year because has LSU Auburn Florida. They also got to play each other in Texas A. and M. and they're too their schedule. Just gets softer by the week yeah listen. I know everyone's everyone's excited with the SEC five in the top nine but that's the problem the SEC is about this enter the cannibalisation period of schedule when everyone starts knocking each other off but I I've never made excuses for this Alabama schedule. The non conference schedule was an absolute notre disgrace and the only thing I'll say in Defensive Alabama there's nothing they can do to control the schedule within the conference those eight Games are set and I've talked to you about it for its duration for you now teams like Georgia and Lsu Auburn and Florida. We all have to play each other. It's year and then you know rocky top. It's Alabama which is a bit upsetting but you know it doesn't help when you have south. Carolina is your second game but we know that's random when you when you get South Carolina and Tennessee on the other side you you've had a good year in terms of yeah you know what if they lose. Sec Championship Game Let's say the Georgia close game and their best windows against a two loss. LSU Or two loss Oliver. It's going to be hard to put a menthol simple listen. I'm I'm aware of that and and I think that this was a season about about very little margin for error because and they deserve it I you can't make excuses I mean at least Georgia went out and and scheduled Notre Dame. Now Alabama will will get back with a more legitimate schedule next year but the last two years. There's no getting around it yeah yeah but I appreciate you not not hear me. Excuse their schedule. I promise you I hope I'll have Alabama. Fans are paying attention to you. They should great to have you on Joe. Thank you very very much. Let's let's Let's check out ED in South Carolina Ed how are you. I'm GONNA great man. Doing we're doing well. Thank you AH good. Hey I got some observations back Kentucky Okay Game For not first of all the sorry Smith did a great job. I felt fantastic. First half now the second half they started to figure it out probably but Kentucky up they outplayed aide for three three three play doubt no doubt at all and when it came down to crunch time Kentucky untuckit inexperienced. DB delman they're they're all freshmen. After a young better you know and that's what I did but and also far live hail the whole game they called it but that's just my personal opinion but all the listen I I feel badly because Kentucky just as played so hard but you have to finish the game and and I didn't have a good feeling when when when chance lined up for the field goal I just kind of put my the hands over my eyes kind of see that happening and hey say Florida has been fortunate in Florida has figured out a way to win games against my and touchdown playing last through years right well quite Alabama but it doesn't matter ah you're right on the well this observations back into the United States. They're going to have a good year. Realize coach tapes keeps a couple of times over the weekend and I really like what he's done and that would have been such an important win for his program but they didn't get it. They have to go out and figure out a way to steel ones elsewhere. That's really all you can do but the gators I mean the the media The gator season I mean they've got auburn coming in a couple of weeks. I mean we tendency this week hard to believe that this will be a scary game for them. Maybe Tennessee has found new life. Nathan is up next in Kentucky. Hello Nathan Hello there. Yes I am a fan from Arnon wanted to see how you felt. A lot of Kentucky Fan spills weird turmoil right right now. What what what kind of weirdness do you feel well part of it has to do to play calling Salvat officiating a lot of it was just the general mood of the game because it seemed like there was penalties on both sides for Florida Africa? Let's say let's say all of that is true Nathan in You've got a short field goal to win the game. I mean that's I in spite of everything. It reminded me a little bit the game last year where they just they they should have held on and they didn't but they still have a chance. If you fill go you win the game yeah well we had our opportunities and I'm not excusing using that but I still like the new targeting rule is going to end up ruining football. You have a nice ACL Michael Yeah. I don't think he's going to ruin football. They make Mondays more interesting Paul is in DC Paul. Thank you good afternoon good. I am well. Thank you so following along the conversation around Alabama schedule and Clemson schedule what's going to take to eliminate these cupcake games and maybe shorten the season similar to the way the NFL is thinking about shortening or eliminating preseason so you're not paying these teams you're not risking injury and Alabama and Clemson Rayleigh Alia wrongly or not defacto champions and spiders in the playoffs every year well. I think you're going to see less of the games that rule is now into effect or will be soon but you're still going to see bad games i. I don't think there's any reason to have them. I'm with you play a bunch of good game. Play a bunch of good schools. May Give your fans something to get their money's worth. What kind of pressure needs to be you know from the from the public to make it happen? I feel you could take a decade because they're still making my time affecting revenue affecting yeah I I would say this If you look around the league every week you are seeing empty seats which you didn't see ten years ago and I thinks this is a scary troubling trend now schools are all profiting mightily because ten years ago there was not a conference network with ESPN fiene. There is now and the money that's coming through that is enormous but I think there is an athletic director in this league or or any elite for that matter who feels good about the trajectory when it comes to fans I saw I'm not going to call out the teams but there were four or five. Sec Stadiums on Saturday that shocked me when in terms of gobs of empty seats we'll take a break more to come here on our program including a conversation with a name that you heard especially at the end of Saturday's Game Nice gator chomp out there Josh you're listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast and we welcome you back to the program and by now. I'm sure you've all seen the end of the Florida. Kentucky game seemed like two years ago but by the cats same result blown lead in a loss at home and one of the stars of Saturday night Josh Hammond joins us now the wide receiver and played a big role at the end of the Game Josh congratulations. I'm sure this Monday is pretty nice for you and your colleagues on the gator's good afternoon thank so take through the game and we'll get to the end last but it was it was a difficult night and in somebody somebody bizarre things happened including the loss of Philippi. Let's start there talk about his importance accordance and and what now for the Gators you know Felipe as definitely that a leader for offense work so hard for our team. Just you know just has to be the best that he can be every single day and you know he's just grinding so hard and everything he's been through you know from the foreign seven seasons the last year you know getting benched in Kinda everybody hates them and he's been through so much an prevailed everything that he has been faced with and overcame so much very city so seeing him go down with definitely devastating for our team and you know guys was just ready to rally in Gaza. Were just ready to play for him at that point and tried to go get a win for just you know I want to ask you about because you get you. Guys are football players and this happened a lot and you've seen it from the earliest times you played the game but when you see something that devastating and how how do you use that for positive energy as opposed to the opposite you know just knowing that you know he didn't you know take that last play and take it for granted Senate. Philippa comes to work and gives his heart is every single day every single play so from a from a player perspective just knowing that he's given that effort for us and going one is high he can to try to make this place for our team for us to be successful. We would try to do the same thing for him and give that same feedback down so so kyle comes in and and he looked really good really composed I bet you weren't surprised by that. Now wasn't you know. I knew he would be prepared because Mellon does a good job you know rotating dating all three of those guys throughout practice fully baked how they emory just to make sure that they get the Rep just in case. You know you never know what can happen. You know we were comfortable when it's got in you know because Monday good job of you know we play calling games starting throwing like the hitch early the van just give them comfortable within the game and you know he was able to make plays for us and help us lead us to the where you you guys were down and I. It looked pretty bad but I know you can't ever allow that to enter your consciousness so when you were down by eleven what were you thinking what what were your teammates thinking we you know we had to get a stop on defense and we had to go down score. I think was the biggest thing in the big measures on the sideline which is needed to make the play keep keep believing in ourselves keys fighting keep swinging and we knew once we got a deposit that we'd be able to come out with the wind so we just had to keep fighting. Keep fighting keep fighting until they would get an end zone. Come Away with some points to help me to win so let's let's move toward. the last couple of minutes of the game Kentucky gets the ball back. They moved the ball down and you're standing being on the sidelines watching attempt to for possibly a game winning field goal. I mean there's not much you can do that. There is a you know you just try to you know hope for a field goal block in our defense does a good job of trying to affect the kicker and getting in the way of the lane of the kick and just try to disrupt them any bid they can just you know try to get it off track a little bit so Florida gets involved back. I bet you know where I'm going next. and most people are thinking okay. I'll all all Florida's going to do is just try to run this clock out so what happened so you know that was the first thing just to run the clock out and you know we knew the jets pop to the outside and because money just told me to try to stay inbound so I just you know I tried to stay inbound popping and going the distance I probably should have gone down but you know never crossed my mind just because I had you know anybody. Tell me and probably just asked you know situation. You know if I do the first I Allah the first thing to do but the big thing was stamped bounds and gets out of it so you got the ball in your hand. I mean you know there's no one anywhere anywhere near you. I mean you're not you're not going down. Are you on not at that point. You need play you know. The first thing on my mind is try to score so I just got it around with it. Assuming it was a pretty good feeling to cross to go on yeah definite definitely okay. Let's let's coach coach. Say I'm sure where he on one on one hand you probably just soon you down the ball but on the other hand he knows the game was now over well yeah after the play you know he told me how are probably has got down in would have been able to call you know victory formation and get outta there easier without defense having a go back on the field with them being down by eight and a chance to tidy the game up with you know crazy things going on so just to try to eliminate you know those crazy situation from happening next time. I'll probably be more aware just get down and you know just in the game for the next time. You're running for the touchdown to but let's let's talk about. Let's talk about what's next ghost. you know there's always a new opponent and and it's Tennessee so it's a new week. It's it's new preparation what what's happened so far during this week for the season well week five. I guess for you guys. It's it's you started on week zero. Yeah you know just continue to grow continue to try to get better robbery game this week so our biggest focus is is going to you know be prepared for Tennessee's best game just because it's a robbery game. you know there's a game always gets chippy every single year those guys game for his game just like we do fans always going back and forth forth on twitter social media about this game and you know it means a lot so both universities about this game so the biggest thing for us. It's just try to stay focused to block the all outside noise focused on the things we can control and just try to prepare as much as we can so that we can execute at a high level comes out of the talk about that rivalry and it's there's you know Tennessee got on a couple of years ago but like the Kentucky robberies been pretty one-sided How would you describe the robbery? I know you mentioned that chippiness but I mean this is still a big deal for both schools isn't it definitely you know you know. The robberies definitely still a big thing. you know Florida Tennessee is a game that a lot of people always look forward to has been established abyss from way before my time so we just try to continue that legacy and try to do it for the nation and you know. We're going to try to prepare as well as we can so that we could try to come out with a win for not only. Just you know our football team but our program at university as well Josh well done well said congratulations again I don't care what anyone tells you that was quite a touchdown on and draped memory thank you I appreciate it. Thank you very much great to have you on Josh amador's going joining us from Gainesville and what an interview what conversation for station and the gators still alive as they start to face some of the really big games on their schedule. We'll take a break more to come on on this Monday. You were listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. You're back here on Monday what to do here and we'll try to get some more phone. Calls in Darrell starts off the next segment. Hello Darryl Weekend Oh. I didn't know that Daryl thanks for the information visit his feelings about Georgia toast. I think he's right on the money very easily. I don't set the odds and neither do you. The the odds in Vegas said is you know by by a bunch of people throwing so they throwing throwing the lineup and trying to equal money on both sides right now I mean we played Arkansas state a recyling together all the game this past Saturday for the first time I just don't get to touchdown favored over top ten team. I don't like it at all you know but let's see I'll show during the peak pretty good yeah. I thought that was one of the best things I've ever seen in college football coach Anderson on in here the other day and that that I mean Georgia I think one in one respect from all over the country with that plant sang but I'll say we've come a long way we usually or like bureau sports shoveling no more recover especially wage. I I didn't notice how I wondered you know it. I found out that can we be over there has to be over and we Muslim. He's the guy that was an old guy that was perfect for you and it sounds like somebody doubts your your phone would bourbon there. It couldn't hurt hear a word you said T. Bob Is up next in Georgia. Hello t Bob Lettuce time asked narrow can understand a word. He said Yeah y three things real quick first off. I agree with you on the Kentucky game but I think stoops brawl some of that luck on yourself. I think he should have been more aggressive trying to get the first down because when they showed go to kick her. It looked like he was a deer in headlights I mean if you had any live streaming vegas on whether he would make it or not. God I would throw myself a little like no doubt he was gonna Miss. My second question is what about my quarterback from Auburn doing these post game interview Cam Newton. What did you think about is outfit on TV? That was one of the most ridiculous I'm more cam. Newton's always been like that. I mean cam things about him. It's not about the team. That's been evidence evidence for many many years and you know one thing if he's playing really well like he did for years ago. He's playing miserably and I I. I Know Panthers fans who cannot wait to get him out of the starting lineup has nothing to do with what he wears after the game. It's how he performs. He's wearing a uniform. Let's check in with Chris. excuse me Keith is up next in Knoxville. Go right ahead. Paintball gun talk not take a breath after IGLOO in Chattanooga. We're really happy to get that. was that was a big stepping stone. nothing to Peter. I didn't even play rocky off. I can't teach you how about that. I wanted to comment on the call from South South Carolina. Yeah there was talking about you know Alabama getting Tennessee every year. I'll tell you what I we take. Unbeaten says you know twenty ten the last time South Carolina beat you know Alabama every year and I wonder if we hear all this talk about you know the sec schedules and I know the NFL does if you really well you get tougher schedule. You know if you don't do as well. Maybe your schedule a little easier but you can't you have both way we can't have if people want heavyweights versus heavyweights during the season you know then it's going to be everybody knocking everybody off but we're we're not gonNA have the big games at the end of the year and if we did something like if you've finished his first as it usually do then they'd get like the one three and then LSU would get the two and four in the East Yup you know something like that but then would that take away from the the big games at the end of the year yeah thanks for the call there. There's a lot of thought that goes into these schedules and and sometimes it's a little bit of luck it was it was never going to being luck this year with them and you knew the game was going to be terrible. Let's checking with nate in South Carolina. Hello Nate Hey. How's it going very well? I just got a quick question. I've been dollar game fan forever. You know I'm tired of wish upon a star is much chiampou right fit. What's IT GONNA take to get the turned around nate nate? I don't know the answer to that and I think we will know toward the end of this year because how much champ navigates the rest of the schedule is going to determine to me whether he's capable I. I don't think he's GonNa lose his job. No matter what but I think you're going to get a pretty good idea for years in whether he is going to lead this program to anything thing other than mediocrity right okay black appreciate that man and thanks for having my call. I guess I'll continue to wish upon a star. Thank you very much I think I think a lot of people feel encouraged by what happened. Saturday you can fire Dolinsky played really well but YEA Kentucky South Carolina Games Games like that are going to determine the success or failure of South Carolina this year not not excuse me the Kentucky Game Not the South Carolina. I think we I think we we know that South Carolina's not beating any of the better teams on the schedule. That's obvious they're not beating the top two or three schools in the country but can they can. They beat the middle of the pack teams that that's really critical for them. Let's check in with AL and Mississippi Zippy. Hey Al appreciate taking my call. This first time caller great debbie I heard you making a few comments around and the subject of crowds and empty seats in stadiums and I know you know this but here in Mississippi we've had ninety five degrees. You're at in the afternoons every single day including Saturdays and you know it's awful hard for people even et ticket smart and some games to go and sit out in that sun no listen I live in the south. I'm well aware of what the temperatures are and and and that's a that's a good that's a good explanation. Maybe maybe it would be better to see when we finally get out of the nineties and hundreds but I ah you're right. I don't blame you. I would not sit in the stands in ninety five degrees either where you actually at. I'm a Mississippi that'd be safe in and we had the last two weeks. We had good grads in the stadium. At the start of the game. I mean relatively good but by the start of the second half it was pretty empty and I noticed the same thing at other stadiums. I mean a lot of those people ventured it out but they just couldn't stick it out especially older people that's a good that's a good reason I totally agree with you on that. that's a very astute observation and you know I still think there are issues shoes with attendance but but the heat is definitely one of them yeah you're you're right. There are other issues with attendance and of course television one of them. I think this particular year so unusually hot while you're you're right. I mean everywhere. I've been even in Kentucky Kentucky. The I mean we did a show in Lexington Kentucky Friday afternoon. It was ninety six degrees. I've that is unusually hot for the State of Kentucky. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely well. I just wanted to get that in appreciate you taking my car. Enjoy enjoy. That's a great point really glad you called although let's check in with Stanley who was in Kentucky Stanley you're on the air thank you for taking my call thank you. I just make a quick comment about the Georgia fans. I thought that was total class what they did Saturday in support of the Arkansas State head coach I know that's a tough thing to go through but Yeah Georgia showed total class Saturday saying yeah yeah thank you that I think that was When we coach Anderson on you could tell for those who don't remember he was a he's the coach of Arkansas state who lost his wife a month ago to to breast cancer and it was remarkable you know first of all his courage but second of all he was he was completely blown away away by what Uga did grave EUAN? Henderson is up next. Hey Henderson I we are doing great and I was just wondering probably a little bit Alan does but anyway they need to try OUGHTA. Get Mad man that often golden. He got to go leave. That's what we've been doing this day. I'm fifty four years old and I'll tell you what knows. We've come at Y'all game. We're not doing that now. I don't know his personnel to the game north us us as terrorists. That's got George the last two years and that's and that's exactly what's going to be all year. We got to change that right off of lines does or does tune into the nick won't quit how on Lower levels because we got your back all together and I'm in right now. They know the name well. We can't stop a Rut and Paula. I will let you say what you don't say well. I'll tell you this all wondering voluntarily lead the George because we can outscore them as you very much anderson great to have you on. We're up against a break Morton Emma Griffiths in the next hour. We'll continue with your phone calls. After this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. No no one's been part of more first days of work than car heart and in the same way rookies have to keep earning respect car heart never stops earning the respect of hardworking people people like you from building rugged dear that's tougher than any. I are worst day of work to reengineering the classics to outworked the future. Trust your car hearts to keep doing their job long after you begin doing yours since eighteen eighty nine car hurts got your back twenty four seven visit car dot com forward slash. CFP Greg like is up next in Alabama Hilla Greg. Hey Paul thank you for taking my call. You know we're thirty three weeks down and everybody's everybody's got issues working on or trying to address. I don't think anybody is playing at one hundred percent of their capacity at this time but we still got people wanting to nominate this guy for Heisman or that guy for heisman and for a lot of teams the meaning of their schedule won't really occur until the eight week or after and that's when you can get a better idea who you are poll. I don't have any doubt listen I. I think we're starting according to get a handle on some schools. The one thing I think what happens is you adjust as you go along. I mean I'm here all this positivie for the gamecocks because they they lost Alabama by twenty three even though it was thirty with eleven seconds to go. I'm hearing positively for Tennessee Chattanooga Greg. You don't need to wait eight weeks of the season for that but I think Alabama is probably the one that you have to wait the longest four. LSU We'll see some indicators early on they play Florida. They play Auburn. AM obviously after this weekend there will not be much mystery if they can beat Auburn than they're back in their back in in conversation if they can't then they will be quickly forgotten about the gators remain in in a `Nigma to me but I think the I think the game that will define their season is going to be against Auburn in two weeks great you still there Greg. I'm Greg Greg under without telling me let's check in with Evan who's up next in Alabama Alabama. Hello Evan Paul calling in regard to near me assured him I was just calling in regard to the South Carolina and you had on earlier it was starting to rally Alabama schedule I was looking at South Carolina's schedule from last year and they had marshals Shaw Akron in Chattanooga and then in the West they played oldest and am and of course they play Clinton because that's the rival school but I just don't think that their schedules that much better last two than what Alabama's playing this year I have one more comment and I'll let you talk they. They do play Clemson at the end of the year and I get that but that's the rival but I still one of the four games though yeah I agree I agree but I've got a comment about Alabama schedule. Everybody wants Alabama to schedule more difficult schedule but what about the things like Clemson Oklahoma. I mean Clemson doesn't have a game for the rest of the year Alabama still got. Lsu Auburn Texas am if they were to make sec championship would be Georgia sure so I mean yeah we have some really really cupcake games in there but would you take three or four cupcake games over a whole take a mediocre games like Clinton and Oklahoma Listen Clemson's best game this year right now would ranked number six in the SEC. Let's see exactly exactly so I just I just the whole nation seems to be talking about how easy Alabama schedule is but then you look got these other guys that are gonna I mean already punched the ticket to the playoffs doesn't Lawrence to the rest of the entire year and they're going to go to the playoffs. It's it's incredible. It is incredible but you you when when you're in a neighborhood like they are which is the ACC. That's what what you're going to get. I mean there's just in fairness to Davos Weenie I I think scheduling am home home was was a pretty good deal and and he plays South Carolina which has been down but he can't really do much about the fact that Florida state is laughable and the and the it almost everyone else in that league is on hard times. I I completely agree with that but to ask Alabama to go says let's say ruin unscheduled Michigan in one of those spot now you gotta play Michigan Auburn Texas. Am L. Georgia just to get the just to get the play Austin Princeton which is not their fault or may see no attended Clemson has become the Florida state of the nineties when Bobby Bowden decided he didn't want any part of the SEC because he'd rather beat up on the cupcakes in his league. Okay Greg is back up Greg Greg. You're on the air pay. I had to do an emergency dive but I've resurfaced Paul. Thanks for your patience. I guess so you got these teams that are gonNA have set up here in the next coming weeks and we're GONNA find out more about Auburn and in in some of these other schools but Clemson will not be having to face any kind of serious issue at all until maybe towards the end of the season or was severed summer summer twenty eight is that when they have their last big game but I just think that people need to slow slow down on the upper tier teams and don't be too concerned about things because you still have some weeks to to settle things out call. Thanks taking my call again. Thank you very much great to have you on okay just to recap the program well. It's been a good one so far we we red Josh Hamdan. We've also talked about the SEC in college football in general we are now past the three complete mark will go to Mike Griffith a little bit later to find out his thoughts on the big weekend or

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