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356: Sayer Ji - Unlocking Your Body's Radical Resilience
"Was so exciting to really understand the new biology as experience it in your own body as George. I understand you actually have access to what some have called. A cosmic stream of nutrition is different than the. One, so that's one of the reasons. Why suggests trying the Apple Mono Diet? Hello and welcome salesman off podcast episode, three hundred fifty six Jesse Chap. AC- with Marnie Wasserman and we are here to take your health to the next level each week. We'll bring you inspiring. In formative conversations about health and wellness, covering topics of nutrition, lifestyle, fitness, mindset, and so much more and this week. We're speaking with CEO G. He's the founder of green. Info the world's largest open access natural health database. He's the author of the recently released regenerate unlocking your body's radical resilience through the new biology, and Sarah Somebody. We've had on a raider for a long time, and wanted to have honest guest, and I'm really. Really happy with this conversation and how it turned out and I know you're going to get a lot from it. Some of the highlights include Sayers. Health struggles and becoming a natural health advocate Mike Ernie's in foods, and how they impact our genes, the Apple Mono Diet, Y raw foods are important to eat at every meal and falling in love with his wife Kelly, and how this was his medicine. Lots of other great information shared in this episode as well. We really appreciate it. If you could help, spread the word shared the show with somebody in your life, and without further ado here we go with Sayer G. Hello Sayer welcome to the PODCAST. Yeah really say to have you on the show. This has been a long time coming. And I really loved your new book regenerate, and in there you share your story, which wasn't familiar beforehand, and and it goes all the way back to childhood, and the sickness that you went through as a kid and a teenager, and you share a whole bunch in there that you went through such as money having your tonsils removed, and you ended up having hip surgery later on, and it goes on and on overweight unfit. You ended up I think it was about at age seventeen. You had surgery on your sinuses, so you went through quite a bit. And my question for you is what was the catalyst behind all that well yeah I think for me. Getting into natural advocacy was allies were destined sesame given. Experience by. Acute episodes the Bronco Asthma you know. They checked me up enough in US multi fight lungs working. So from very early on I just. I struggled allies, and then came later in my life to ernest on nutrition, exercise and mind body practices so ultimately. That was guest that I felt so much because than it needed a passions. WanNa share you know the alternatives. Natural Approaches that I know can in some cases provide so much humor well. Let's talk about that. Turning point and I know this took place in your first year in college so. I become exposed to alternative health ideas. Well, you know my sister was someone who is naturally inclined to health food stores for example, I was way more conventional member over time I started to. Like the of that way than starts looking to literature that you'd find in these helped stores and taking on raw shrewd in the mucus diets, as it was known by Arnold era and a member thinking well. I've never not eaten. Save Council products. What would happen if I ate raw? And within three days of just going ahead and eliminating house, my asthma went away and never came back. It wasn't so raw. Fruit is, but the BUFFY Diet says exclude common engaged delicious. Western foods such as cow smoke novas like my. Moment, and when you hit that piff any moment, obviously, you've been going through a lot for so long. What was your initial reaction? Were you angry that you've been through so much? And you're just finding this information now or obviously? You're excited about digging in deeper in seeing what could come a vet, but talk about those initial reactions when you start to feel better over the course of a few days. That's such a great question because I think it's true that while I was elated excited, because for the first time in my life I didn't have to carry an inhaler around and think that you know. My body was fundamentally cursed. You know cloak in I was shocked to fine that you know something as simple as excluding cosmic for my genetics type would have prevented me from the Medical Mary around downward cycle. You know that I went to some level. There was a part of me that became. Hannah triggered to like oh my. What is my parents? Know this you know. You. Pour me. A. Journey retakes. One of these starts reclaim. Our health is you do? Realize there is a bit of. archetype underneath some of the symptoms. You know would've been more convenient for me to say. The doctors are right. This pathway humid of causes it, but you manage symptoms by ways. You should thank us for saving your last person. Sandwiches that the way we eat in this country. Is Disease Camale, N detectives and I'm barely one of the things that happened for me to sort of took the red pill that speak event. Lady but I was also like Gosh. We need to change things people now. There are these ways to heal known. About and this big shift in your life in your health happen when you're early in college as I mentioned. What were you taking at the time? The time you know, it was sort of just exploring the why started out actually went to university as an art student, and Mason Gross and I found it a little bit more fizeau. I ended up. Just go to college proper and. Just. Five years trying out pretty much anything that interested me. It ended up getting a degree in philosophy, so it's like a deep expiration time both in an hour. So you mentioned this book you came across. That had the big transformation in your health was raw food book so after that few days and you felt this shift. Did you end up? You know taking it all the way down into the raw food. Dieter wooded your dietary evolution. Look like from that point forward. I didn't trying died for wildland. There were aspects that were very helpful was a week that I did a diet and I was just like is. Just full of energy and Joy and it was very interesting. Because the word fruits comes from the Latin word shrew, which needs a joy, so I felt it does shirt. New Book Length Lot of what I've discovered about soon. As information indicates that in many ways, fruits are the perfect software for the harbor are jeans so I only turned out later, but I will say that when I started exploring this, it started. Make sense you know that we. Need serve kinds of raw food, and as I evolved because at one point, I was Vegan start to lose a lot of weight so for me. I really had to explore a number of different orthodox approaches before coming to what is Amina. At your time, you mentioned the information coming from the food and I WANNA stop in developing deeper into that and you do get into this quite a bit in the new book talking about the micro are in ace, and these are found in all food, and they impact our jeans, and it's just really interesting how you break this down. How? How they're these information packets almost that are coming from different kingdoms, and can go like from the Fungi Kingdom and when we consume that it affects our genes, so it's like it's this interaction between different kingdom, said love free to get in and explain some of the details of how that works. Yes, such a great top Bankin so interesting How would we decided well? Let's just say that traditionally use loaded food as cultures and more in terms of the Callard content right of food, so you know they literally would burn by some the through to see him as he gave off. Determined. Contents abstract and destructive of beans to understand with somebody is for the body, and then you have the idea that you know as building blocks the micronutrients and the hydrates purchases that's are used to create the structure body. The question about what really is has to account for the fact that has informational qualities you know in the field of genomics. For example there was a lot of occas things like mental donor vitamins like fully for example being able to silence gene expression. By donating Harbin and so we only. Understand that. Yes, modulate gene expression of what is a more recent discovery is that food contains actual gene regulatory nucleic acids notice might wrote our names, and he's my days while they sound small, they are actually are now known to govern the expression, a majority of the poaching hunting genes in the human genome as deal, because for the longest time right like I'll just geneticists soon if we could understand the protein coding genes than the holy grail of Health and disease, we understand how to identify disease in Hewlett and that was absolutely. To be false. Five when the first draft, the Human Genome Project was completed, and they can only find one thousand genes in the whole human genome, which is actually a far cry. From the hundred thousand proteins needed to describe one cell and so late for example, earthworms have about the same amount of. Genes clearly were more complex. Is that information well? That's when we started to do. Stand the so called junk, DNA and ninety eight percents CG known that doesn't transcribe proteins has information in fat, much of it is transcribed into armies and these master Arnaiz. Arnaiz are sort of at the apex. They're the ones. Gene expression, but it turns out how! Our food contains these Arnie's well says certain foods are required to basically help us to orchestrate the expression of our own genes, our on resilience, and well this athletes require less foods, said vegetables and varies now. You won't find a lot of history between the human genome and EPI genome and right GMO. Foods. Brand new novel experiment, though these ancient foods that are by. The Bible traditional cultures. You've been eating them from thousands of years, thousands of generations that's. Towel when it comes to understanding. The informational qualities shoots and in there. You mentioned that the micro Arnie's as they come from fruits, vegetables and berries, what other foods to come in and his quality meat something that contains them as well or is it just those three categories great question? Yes, so all living fans create these micro vesicles which include his homes, which basically package micro aren't as I know, it sounds to choose it. Let's. If. It's a mushroom means. Area not, they all contain these are nate's in these little virus. Is Articles called EXURBS? So when we eat them so fascinating is that they are actually crossed, Ching? The jurors of genetic information. Other example this we had before discovery of these domes viruses. They. What's happening right now? copay for example, the assumption that state back virus jumped into human his clothes. Swear. Melissa! Another example would be the tobacco. The virus jumps into an animal that would be more of an example of how information was once a week completely separated off. Or even species we now know through Wrexham's and through food basically can be transferred horizontally between these kingdoms for these species, and so that opens up a whole new realm of understanding when it comes to interdependence genetically for example, so let me give you. A real clear sample is confusing. Someone you guys to understand. How cool is this? So you think about the ovary right basically is essential for the production of hormones. And you can take a female rat and I'm sorry for those who myself talk to the section, but this is just the way it's been done for many years. Is that a tank? The ovaries out of this female Roman within a few weeks and develops blown menopause osteoporosis August. Hormone efficiency, but if you feed a group that had their over now, the ovaries implants which foods, so let's get comrade slum orange is as if you'd never taken over his out in other words, somehow these flowering plants known as angiosperms that fruits that we eat as mammals can basically face a function of are over. And so when you look at pomegranates, perfect example you cut, it understates way to the middle. It looks like in the million afraid and actually had literally. Steroid hormones like testosterone extra ends. WHY BE! Because time this. Transformation and thousands thousands of years these species became dependent on each other in a beautiful way. Because if you think about it, these plans aren't using to dispersal seed, a need animals, and so using us to be hoping we produce and vice versa. Confers survival advantage and helps on jeopardy hormone function by giving us this fruits than we become healthier, and we continue to spread it around. The world says it's really beautiful interdependence and it's woven. Kingdoms of life through the mediation of what are essentially east exit zones, containing earning in different yet species so. How do we ensure that we're optimizing this? As a human who's taking in a variety different foods and getting these different micro ironies from different foods as the whole idea here just eat like a healthy balanced diet, and then you're going to get good information from all the different foods that are gonNa make you intern healthier is such a question I. Mean I think ultimately this? That's a deep question which is like what is the origin of our species? If you will or ourselves, because we sort of have to go back in time to understand what the ideal diet for us particularly might make a general recommendation of at least he will be to. Diet. Some use the term Halio bits comes swift by Coca Cola to you know carbonated beverage almost meaningless. It's more of a branding as diet means something like going to find out about your mother and father and their mother and father going understanding what culture it came from what the? And what recipes for example were cast? Our culinary traditions basically provide what are known as EPA genetic inheritance systems, and they're as meaningful and important. The expression of health or disease as are the primary coding sequences in the human genome, so, but they're not in our body, actually passed down to culture oral tradition. So what means could opinion Kumon in her? You know it specific way. That seemed really use socratic to her might have actually been function of just found dismal information, because she somehow knew your genes needed and her mother and her mother to goes back really far now. Because what's happened, culture, industrialization, globalization modernization especia-. We've lost connection, but it is deeply held stone wisdom of our body, and tangibly our soul, and so that's where I stick. It almost requires a certain type of archaeology of one's own self and ancestry to try to understand what's best for you now really cook examples like half Rian, and then have European mixed. My Mom's got long hair I in lieu is so for her. She's consumed cows not. By, my side is no history, so just so happened that I was not an ideal candidate to consume council. Whereas my sister apparently never had asthma from it and she's you know pretty much saved genetic, so the point is is that there's a real significance clues in. Particular family s mckinstry when it comes to funding what it is, you should eat which means that we're all different, and we have to go back like you're talking and and look at our family tree, and where we came from an experiment. See what works for us over time. Exactly 'cause intuition is just some like you know vague feeling. found information is not saying that it can't be mistaken. On Jewish in, but I agree instituted, intuition represents the very wisdom. helped into eons to infinite bottlenecks. Officer your die-offs to get to where we are now and so talking to be deeply cultivated in honors versus just using information constantly to try to navigate what to do. Trish. So coming back to your story, let's go to two thousand seven urine. Your garage and you start at the time. This passion project, which is Green Matt Info so at that time. Were you along your health turney? Okay so two dozen seven, I was actually working at a health food store as a manager and educator. I was a beautiful experience, because I was just around everything love so much including organic juice, bar and cafe, and so we'll healthcare right, and that's like a vital force that I like to be around. Just. People sharing might experience. I've found that that is some more meaningful work you can do by that time. Though became clear that there were so many people looking for health information and all they had was Peter. Conventionally professionals who rightfully so run trains and natural medicine, so he could tell you yeah. I could use this it help you. In fact, it's arguably liability biscuits do so, and then there was the other side. which is your doctor houses online marketing, etc, making all kinds of claims for a miracle share of the next national supplement so. But I found was if I went to use the government database notice med line accessible through pubmed gov. it was incredible science at the time. Twenty four million citations under my fingertips look medicine. Touch American thousands of so I was just. Obsessed with this treasure house of Info and from that point on. Customers clients since then just get information from the Review Journal so they can make an informed choice and don't retire and let me. That base that presently has about fifty four thousand article I'm sorry. Abstracts Index, so it's easier for people to find that information by like category of disease or substance that's incredible, and it's interesting because to dig into the research like that and have a passion and appreciation. I think it takes a certain kind of person. A certain kind of you know style of thinking. Thinking so, was this something like? Were you back when you're younger? Were you kind of Geeking out on researcher? was there any inkling that this made sense for Sayer to get into and become passionate about is interesting. 'cause I whispering, influenced online environment in people amount pharmacists. My father is a biomedical scientist and researcher and he was one of those individuals that just. Life Hash was science so. Some special disciplinary topic that you disgusted just permeating everything at the time. Honestly I was bottling artists. You know freestyle, BMX? Sir, whatever I try to be wasn't really much like my father, but you know how it works us most. Influence your parents then. In opposition to them, and then my mom was reference, Librarian and my sister. Like natural health activists actually so between the three influences a metlife's. I think I just sort of naturally at familiarity with doing this thing, but then Sarah. I do feel that I. into this life with a mission to find ways to suffering from us off, insofar as I can share that with others as the best feeling in the world like if you can help someone, simply I sharing with. yourself. Now. We're GONNA take a quick break from chat with the TV show. Talk Show partner organic. Organic immunity as simple immunity, boosting superfood blend, which can help you fight the symptoms and duration colds and Flus. It's ingredients. Include Mushroom Beta glue can from Rishi Mushroom Azariah, a cherry, Ginger Turmeric Olive Leaf, extract and whole food derives zinc. 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The project was literally supposed to nonprofit because I mean. I didn't know nonprofit was better than I knew I did WANNA. Make Process Right. One wanted to be competent industry. I didn't even have the money at the time to go ahead and create enough profit, which would have been like I? Don't know a couple of hundred dollars, so you know. I was just living paycheck to paycheck. Just joined putting all this together took years and years to find a way to monetize it at first through membership model, which generally. Generally do that well, but we had to find a way to comment the increasing traffic, so when when things turned a corner was when I started reporting certain articles that was reported on. It was like the CDC on his studies that show that if they stopped through world mothers breastfeeding their road, virus vaccine would produce higher antibodies, and it was just shocking, because were basically saying these women who don't even have formula alternatives should stop eating because interfere with the effectiveness of this live vaccine. which when we say accidents, we mean site king. Of antibody production doesn't mean confer vote. against. It went to the first stage of reading, and it was a million visits, and it was like you know totally viral. And what happened after that was when I started from report on one of thousands of studies, it would start to have great relevance, and I realized that Translation People Really WanNa to know what these studies Munin saved, but they don't say reading survive. So that's when I started doing and because of social media which routed around the time, she doesn't seven things just end up going viral from thereafter, so did inadvertently my project, which is going to be a database right Publishing, platform and it was twelve rows. The attention of the World Health Organization and UNICEF stuff as they published a report on anti vaccine sentiment eastern. Europe claimed that my sight was one of the reasons why there was misinformation all we were doing was collecting research on unintended adverse affects vaccines and putting our site in that that's when I was like. Wow, really like I'm just simple guy here with a log in a little project, and you can report on it at a global level of threats and our Z.. which made what's unfolded at? This was a Magenta. Decades in the made, whilst they are I wanNA. Come back to the book and talk about the regenerate prescription, and this is just such a great area that really enjoyed going through, and there's actually four phases to this and the first one. I found really interesting, which is where we take one to three days, and we're actually just going to consume apples as food and we're GONNA drink clean water so when somebody's going through this prescription. Why are they starting there? Okay so it's sort of called Rx only because if you look at what the original meaning was, it was French in. It represents pretty much like a culinary formula. So that the original prescription are expert excrete. Culinary. Dacian by. Just wanted to clarify that I certainly not trying to tell someone to take apples for prolonged periods of times other than to start. Introducing the concept of eating raw food on the basis, and in some cases, skipping a meal star, and having like getting apple set to be super, super invigorating, and can help to generate a type of regenerative healing effects that only experience to really understand so for me. I've gone on on what you call mono diets like. Were you just eat apples four to three days and for me? I can tell you. You I saw just incredible. We cents because unlike going a water fast there isn't this deprivation occurs the idea behind eating an apple. Is that if you're really hungry, your body really needs to Tricia. You're probably GONNA win another one and you can eat as many as you want. The sort of self nominate, but there's a point reach for like when I really hungry, or is there by creating something. One of the more foods that we'd love to get in the West Life. You know space crackers. And many people don't realize this, but there's a lot of morphine Mike. Activity in weeks due to Glenmore. FEDS and glue next orphans which are opioid molecules at. Studer cows not is that it contains morphine, which is similar in terms of stimulating this attentive. Don Response. So when you starting apples. You'll really know if you're hungry, you'll you another one but most people will realize Slav hungry, and what's interesting. Is you start to see that you saw was hunger? Site more. Feeling in your stomach goes away and that's when you start to connect to different types of nutrition because a large part of my book. To introduce people and understanding of Basic Selah bioenergetics that accounts for or the new discoveries of what you can call the new biophysics. When she said our body extract energy from chlorophyll, water melon, and even directly from the quantum vacuum, and that's not accounted for within conventional models which focus more on the website, right and eight oxidation and fermentation. So this is what's so exciting to really understand the new biology special experience it in your own body, as dogs understand that you actually have access to what some have called. A cosmic stream of nutrition is different than the earth want so that's one of the reasons wise. Trying the Apple Mono Diet okay well. You went into quite a bit there including chlorophyll and Melanin. Anna WanNA take some time to go deeper into some of this. Let's start with chlorophyll and in your book you talk about how we consume chlorophyll ache. It's taken up by the medical, Andrea. Then we use energy from the sun with that chlorophyll to create energy. Have you dig into? This is such an interesting and profound. Discovery she doesn't sixteen. In the Journal of Science studies publish at showed mammals taken a metabolite of clerval acronym GB, goes into the Mitochondria and enables. Totta get Reggie and converted into ATP so basically. The KREBS CYCLE GETS more efficient. There's orders of magnitude higher hd production as well as the younger species. The burning that happens when you basically produce energy. To cause damage also doesn't increase the way you would expect with increased. Production so in the model, the US you know we were they to feed an animal clervoy. Expose it to lights. It would actually increase lifespan, but as you basically didn't record. All need to lighten to decrease less fan. SOC is very interesting, because for the longest time we were told that we are headed. Folks can only by eating other things and you know this is enshrined its Orthodox Paleo Gene, and then you have the other side, which is you know the those sit there and absorb the photonic energy. That's I don't have anything else aware between well known as photo editor. Organisms and this study doesn't sixteen basically revealed that so that's one example of where. We are able to take energy directly from the sun and. Shouldn't be so surprising because the other examples like Melanin help us to realize that it's not just a sunscreen in it helps us understand why deep within our vital organs a lot of melanoma tissue because Melania's evil to split the water molecule in a way that is similar to you. Chlorophyll in the photo Liga effect where it separates charge water, the brace high-energy Shawn's, and then just you molecular hydrogen oxygen. Herrera Mexican Sciences reveals that Mellon. It is basically million chlorophyll, and enables us to confer from tonic energy directly into metabolic energy in facts were into. You know if it's accurate or not believe it probably is is to form water molecules as well and that in doing so in action functions almost like a computer by digital, a one zero one zero tech process. Some element is like informational, so there's so many things about understanding how we produce energy late. One example painted turtle has been known to be submerged in. Four months. How is it getting energy well as Shell, his Eilly melons, and as you understand, you know that nominees able to dissociate a splint. The water molecule than you see can free up oxygen as well as high. Energy photons. Hydrogen Protons shoot fire up the cycle without having to Vice Service. Air So fascinating now, the other example is Jerry Palm for amazing. It's forth phase of water. Nothing is indisputable at this point. Water as like a Malaysian of battery. When exposed to ambient electronic energy and the environment is able to also caused abrasion of charge in what's known as the exclusion zone. It's very thin layer of A. Charge water that years to water loving services. It could be then helium of your blood vessel also could be like a plastic tube, but basically enables your body to take a massive amounts of energy from the sun, basically power cells, even the inner. Membrane is line with water shows throughout every single bio-molecules body and. Once again, explain how something as the ATP there's only what seven seconds. Heart. Yet the hardest pump you know the several liters of blood through a hundred thousand miles to late through pump. Anyone but understanding police work on the fourth phase of water it starts to make a lot of sets, and when we talked about chlorophyll and consuming that and the impact on the Mitochondria and the sun, impacting that I can see the practical implication in that and consuming more chlorophyll, but when it comes to the Melanin and the water. How do we take information? You just shared which was complex and fascinating. How We? We use that in a practical way. So that's a really. The question is far as water water. Quality is really a big deal when I buy. That is like if water is ideally structured in the way that Jerry, pollock has described you detail for example spring water is naturally structured than that is going to be so much more bio. Compatible our bodies than let's say jinking municipal tap or that to two zero. Versus most. Ends up being just really dead. It needs to be restructured. Corporate your body so in other words when water is poor-quality, your body hasn't Chichi or Or Life Energy to restructure that takes vitality by, but as you're taking, say spring water in glass, and it's been out in the sun, and you're maybe charging it up further with a little bit of sea salt, some lemon juice and flower remedies that is point to feed your body in a way, obviously the other. Now Melania is obviously distributed many different ways across ethnicities when it comes to internal organs. Were Teasing Mellon is another example is in Parkinson's right. Primary allergies that identified the demonization of a substantial Niagara within the brain and a series. Is that over time through toxic exposure for example? Melanin is how. Toxic fire, the Melanin itself starts to degrade and is able to perform his energy production function. Which again is to disassociate the water molecule, separate charge, energy and freeing up. Oxygen and hydrogen deep within the brain, so it's a different way of looking at union class for allergies were. Through the Lens of what you might call. Buyer energetics, so how would advocate quick example known chagas zoo very well known mushroom that is. For his ability for example to help protect animals. And that itself can potentially confer ads you deserve were inadequate of of human mountain body. So that's one of the. Reasons why some traditions can be ironed later. Would look at dark none and rich foods as being nourishing media, some type of adrenal deficiency, so it's very interesting. You start looking it that land so in other words you can have additional protection by consuming certain sooner foods if you will as nationally high levels of plant. That's great and coming back to the water. You talked about spring water being ideal, and then talks about reverse Osmosis, and how that wouldn't be so ideal. Is there an? For when somebody you know might not have access to spring water. You mentioned the putting the water out in the sun, and charging it and putting lemon and stuff like that, so what would be the middle ground there for when someone can't get spring water question? Yes, so I'd like reverse osmosis. What it is is insane membrane. Micron White Poor so anything that's in the water that is larger should be. So for example average. has about three. Hundred million of dissolved solids those dissolved solids are extremely sick is or six hundred disinfectant by products found in conventional municipal, and that's what I'm talking about like radionuclides and other contaminants, so when you take our filtering out the gunk, and then you're getting essentially close to stillwater by water should be theoretically zero parts per million. There's nothing in. The when you get to that state is not structured in the way that you would want as it's not what you find in, say a foods I watch for water one. Another for example is perfect. And when you're trying to do is to add in something like Sawyer. Healthy can be Himalayan. LDC So so you can start adding structure to water naturally leave or not, you could speak nicely water. Use It, you know it will help to actually create structure s well, as of course things like biological substances, lemon and amicus flower remedies. These are ways that you can structure your water. Chris Ranging. If. Originally, come up like tap water and back when we opened up the subject talked about chlorophyll melon, and now the water I think you mentioned something else in was that related to zero point energy, yes, fascinating topic Richard Finance who was the famous American physicist migrant physicists? He said that there's enough energy in like a cup of water to boil oceans away to steam and based on at the time you know conservative calculations, the energy density of any point in space time, and so that all kinds of fancy techniques were attempted to try to normalize. Normalize figure away so that it didn't imply there's this infinite energy source available. Any coins face. You know they used to also call is either, but now the modern terminology is quantum vacuum or zero point energy, so if you go down to the smallest of all structures If you will of the fabric of reality, you know, the quantum of action is not just status. There's a little wailer general, and when you do the math, and you scale up the amount of energy that will be present when you coming up to the macroscopic scale. Leads this incident amount of energy. The whole controversy is how can we use it? Obviously, the oil industry would want anyone. Could use it even solar. You know the way things who set up. There's always ways of controlling their scarce. Our whole world is set up on this concept. What I was fascinated fine with evidence that the body dissolves into bonding, the atoms and the molecules actually do nationally tap issue this zero point energy, and so in the book I described. In some detail, I mean there's what's US cast near fats, which is operatives in the case of other organisms that we've marvel about for many years like the Gecko walking on the ceiling. One of the reasons is because they have these lights and studer feats, which enable him to harness the zero point energy, and there's another example I love to point out missions, the Mantis shrimp, which has a clash Reich so powerful that it can produce temperatures that approximate what you find inserts son by juicing with known as water petition offense, which is basically next hot water bubble forms because the intensity of the strike which? Produces again energy you can only accounts worth. It's accessing the quantum back. So we know other organisms can access it we. Shall Masters walking up walls. For example, there's plenty of examples of anomalous human gene abilities behavior that would make more sense me start acknowledging that. Yes, there is another way to access energy beyond. The conventional ones that we most think about like food, fascinating stuff and I wanNA. Come back to generate prescription here and just to reorient people. I want to go into the next phase after the apples in clean water steps Oh. This is the re entry phase when we're consuming the incessant diet. It goes on for two weeks. What's a broad overview of what that diet would look like? So? It's pretty simple, actually because like for me, the origin of this approach was I realized for myself, and then after working with thousands of individuals over ten years with his diet that when you moved calendar. And weeks those jeans along the profound benefits that occur for any range of chronic. Level Diseases your. Blood pressure could be dyslipidemia? UC a normalization values that is one of the consistent effects to. which warm! Really the foundation for Standard American Diet Aside Diet, which is referred to by researchers as a Western pattern, diet or lethal disease, because they actually feed the animals, they end up getting sick and dying. So the is that we? Things when he left. you start to go back. Ten Sexual Foods and those foods are foods that new intentionally foraged or harvested hunted, afford the advent of really industrial revolution before that the Neolithic transition which is about ten thousand years. BC That's when things so dramatically changed from eating whole foods, raw foods like things that you would have consumed a having to cope them. Process them preserve that. It's really basic framework actually when she started. Understand where it comes from so that's the basic concept there is you just WanNa start eating foods that basically aren't found in. Fast Food for example, there's pretty much a contradiction to this ancestral someplace, and you also have a more advanced strategy for people to where they can go grain free. They can remove the looms and night shades as well. So who would that before? Yes, that's weird question. So what happens is that some individuals will remove wheat for example and see really benefits, and then go to three products and then suddenly mobile. Still have this information not mentioned. There's all kinds of. Adverse effects certain gluten-free chronic. So why is that well because you still have a problem with Lexis which might call eight country folk about. Paradox I different ways to what sane, but the general concept is that if you look at saint wheat germ, you know we. Stuttered Ezekiel, but what has been called? Clinton we left it. And that elected specific in what it finds to is actually the same substance found lining of the gut, since was joints as squeak, and instead of go semi, a binds to it, so turns out rights, has this. is a very common ingredients that are include tree products. They both have eight elected Einste- to the same heart of us that can lead to inflammation, so in other words is not just about going week. FREE GREAT FREEZE! You'd better than nyunt shades which include deadly nightshade tobacco, which so we can point to examples in the family of the maybe not that healthy for us, so tomatoes at potato. These are examples of foods that can also caused. Great you're. In individuals who systems have already been compromised. It doesn't mean that they're bad. In fact, a lot of these things have great value. We germ occlusive lesson actually has been shown to have anti pancreatic cancer. which is extremely hard to tree, so it's not that there's just good foods, said certain contexts so. They actually. Now we're GonNa take another quick break. From Tau, Sayer showed up to our show. Partner Beekeepers naturals I can't say enough about the be licks or brain fuel. It's a memory and cognitive enhancer that I like to take before each interview so I can think my best. It's a natural nutro pick that contains royal jelly, and it's a liquid that comes in tiny. 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A couple more things I want to highlight, and one of the principles is to always have something wrong with each meal, and it's interesting because this comes full circle back to the beginning of our chat, talking about the book that inspired you to make a shift in your diet, which was the raw food buck, but you've taken that now forward into your current work, so there's definitely a full circle moment here, but talk about why raw foods are important at least have some of at each and every male. I think even the with book. Regenerate shows swimming ESCO cauliflower which is. Most incredible factual is just a mesmerizing. When you look at what occurred at the center bud in the top of it beginning of the spiral, there's something called Abbott Hall Marissa Matic Cell, and this is a cell that is on some basic level immortal, and has been replicating sense. The first sell was thought to have emerged on the planet which you know in a confessional. Confessional evolution time line is about three point. Eight billion years ago was for those who don't subscribe his time specs that, and so we can say that Satan incarnate. This was the first living thing, and so that's sell is producing this near infinite biomass and what I mean by. That is simply look at other plants like the the Tasmania from Tasmania is been. Only forty six thousand years, which is insane if you think about how many locations were involved, what I'm saying these premier. Trends choosing from again the quantum vacuum and the different amount of biomass. They have the information because when you replicates theoretically using the templates getting. Less precise, but that stem cell still able to access this arch blueprint maintain the species perfection, so I'm trying to go the visible here because it really is true that when he starts, understand raw food, and certain aspects of the sprouts as dog, understanding what it is, the life energy vitality of it is so beyond our ability to understand do conventional quantification of chemistries of these plants, cowering value, or even there are a and so I, guess. Guess, what I'm saying is like living. She energy coming out of the Floyd. And when you eat it, you're participating in benefited from it, and it will confer longevity to all cells in your body is my understanding and to get this benefit would be as simple as just consuming a forceful sauerkraut or Kimchi or a small handful of sprouts, or how much are we aiming to get whether it's definitely on different types of stem cells transition the. Americium is usually found on the shoot and the root tip. Is You look. For example session incredible shoot. You're going to get some quasi immortal cell if you will when you eating just regular. And of course. A tremendous food, which adds microbiome component which book. To help you understand that you know. One of the key discoveries of the biology is that bacteria have an L. chemical play in the sense that they are able to literally transform elements into one another through low energy nuclear transformation, and this is something that is so mind blowing. Let's say you can turn. into magnesium like that and so bacteria in the microbial connection is so fundamental to understanding how we maintain resilience given a world that is saturated through novel new toxic Review acid fall out because that's real also equal to D- toxic. Isotopes in a way, that seems to violate basic laws of chemistry and physics, and yet it's improving picture mentally. So how do we maintain resilience in this new world? We're living in its actions. Fiend, microbiome, the sauerkraut example, and by the way all living. Real has bio so when you're eating raw. Material you're getting the benefit of biker bio as well as other seeds for talking about. And were your thoughts on consuming all raw food are all plant based? Is that something that's healthy and sustainable for most people or does adding a little bit of me into the Diet you find that's better for people situated, so yes, I wouldn't advocate. For example eat raw material in certain ways we know now at the plants have. Many lifetimes erecting elaborate defenses against us like anti nutrients and that Dinh's etc, so it's more about preparations. For example even cooking. Increase the. Capacity of. In some cases were ones challenge the Orthodox Wall. That while is always better, so it's a really good question, but it's hard as. There's an ethical barrier there that I just can't seem to get beyond, so I personally have felt that. Eating me has been very beneficial to me and are also suited downsides so ethically harvested is there is such a thing organics. All aspects of at are GonNa make quality. For those of us who don't have farm having the animal ourselves I guess I would argue I would suggest. That said biologically speaking I know from my own ancestry meetings eight. Sides of tree and when I did, go being I got pretty safe. I know more now. I think that spiritually speaking if I focused more on the free energy approach to nutrition, I would do better but me. Eating me was transition back into greater vitality, so the guy. It certainly incorporates animal food, but I'm not saying you couldn't do. Vegan approach that will serve you know scenario listeners and a food that you highlight I guess is sort of a liquid slash food is homemade. Check and broth, and you actually bring this up a couple times throughout the book first of all. Is this the same? Same thing as bone broth in Weiser specifically something you've included in this space well I mean. There are a lot of reasons why the whole chicken for example makes so much more sense. Lot of it has to do like sulfur, containing amino acids, methionine that unpleasant out of her client flesh me as well as control lean to essential amino acids. We're not getting enough to the point. Where arguably is key part of reversing investment disease on vitamin C. so there are a lot of aspects to using the whole animal plant that confer a total medicinal fact that is hard to describe simply to the chemistry's. You as far as chicken soup, a good portion of Wia, so therapeutic is to contacts. Nurturing Mama, grandma's together for. Child and There's an aspect to it. That is almost folkloric. That's one reason why feature it also. Research now on the way modulate interleukins. Maybe for security is falsely claimed solutions to like Tamiflu highly toxic chemical of versus you know something's supposed shooting suit, big farmer therapeutic I think it was just a good way. I'll keep understand screwed is really medicine odom definitely a staple around our home and Marty makes it almost on a weekly basis, so it's we love it. And moving into the next phase which is supplementation and there's so much we can get into here and we're not gonNA. Have the time I'll just highlight here that this phase is also two weeks and one supplement I want to get into Kosovo totally new for me on reading. The book is black seed soaking first of all talk about what black seat is wide so beneficial. Yeah, it's one of these interesting Middle Eastern zero not unlike China is for the East Asia and so in the Koran reference says remedy everything Dash. Hyperbolic in. Time, freshman injured I'll. US How bad and see what the research says. I was really blown away to find all kinds of compelling research on it for example, preventing chemical weapons induced. Hub regenerating damaged cells and one diabetes to in having profound Bahrain, microbial activity, you know as sort of an option avenue modulating properties. Interesting said even though in the book I do focus on some measurements, supplements realities you go on pubmed, and you do some searching on these very common spices or plants. Minds law thousands of studies that formed showing that they have this incredible foul. You and this stuff could be used pennies day, so you know I. Really Love myself. In terms of how it helps you by nervous on inflammation factors, a study caused the import on showing just topical avocation of. This backseat works better than Tylenol for pain relief and Tylenol. The number one cause of liver failure ingested this country. So what an incredible alternatives! While that's powerful in. Where would somebody go to get some well I? Mean there are a lot of manufacturers. Advise as as possible because I've tried Must, not delicious big the try to consume without knowing what you're doing is. They're almost like pepper. It's very difficult to great. Open us. Hard to culinary wind up, but is you get some of the president? Cold presents, and then keep it at black class, so that there are many factors that uses meiring class because that way you're preventing ultra violated of its properties so organic of course us what I I do anything I try to consume. Yes, to for sure and moving into the fourth phase. This is the mind body healing face, and this is something we're going to carry on for life. My question being is when we move into this phase. Are we still carrying forward? The died in the supplementation from the previous faces. Okay so yes, that's insane. Tation might just be there for those who feel they have resolved the underlying health issues that maybe they were taking over the counter drug four. Were on opens fourth. I've lost is that he's always the food dyes modification by some of that's going to produce the lasting effects, not to slap a natural band aid on top, either so moving forward. My hope is that when people start incorporating a work requires to really get root of disease, which million sounds kind of poetic or new agey but disease it a truly understand that most of miles issues, even someone who has. Story of victim of modern medicine is your. Deal, with with over diagnosis and treatment for conditions, following the asthma is emotionally. Once we start trimming. The feelings that, for example beneath our overeating or eating, or beneath us, you know engaging in practices that are hurting ourselves. Be Eating the same thing every morning. When in fact is causing a lot of our health issues? That is when we really started to liberate ourselves from. The disease diagnoses that have given us. Some relief you now, but ultimately I think we need to let go of those as well I. Doing that work so would there be a time when somebody might WANNA. Come back to the induction face to and do the apples in the water for a few days, just like a cleanser detox. Yes, that's what I advocate for. Whatever feeling like okay, into much started feel seventies, complaints come back I realized for me. Elise is actually not get sick. Because of not eating the right things, it's really okay. What are the things that most of us? Because of what we're eating and. It's really by backing up with animals. Do the second generally fast and getting back to resetting. You're on the apple being one of the best ways to do it. So I? Think that's a great Rico is less is more she well? All right and we are running on time, so we're not gonNA have time to really dig into the mind body healing, but just to give a general overview, the listeners things that go under here or detox body in home and movement, connecting with nature's rhythms and stress, reduction and emotional healing techniques so lots in there lots of important stuff, but before we get to the end here I wanna come back to the very beginning of the book, the dedication and you dedicated the book to your wife Kelly Brogan. WHO's also previous guests on the show and you talk about in that dedication how? How she actually turning your life upside down and inside out the moment he knew she existed so very powerful words, beautiful words, and just following your work on line, and and your instagram I can see the beautiful love. You guys half each other in connection, and first of all I to congratulate both of you. Let's go back to the beginning of this love story. When did you and Kelly meet? Well was seven years ago. In fact, we were goes. If you will activists, you know in terms of just trying to get the word out about certain types of medical malpractice, and that's how we been, so it was just you know I think on some level. Being Kelly US falling, the was my medicine. You know he gave me even more desire to do the work myself on myself become stronger and just become a better person and you know we've had. Process! Will now that you found this love and you have this immense love in your life, and you've been through this health journey and gun to the point now where it seems like your health is in a really good place where to go from here well, that's a great question. I really wanted this book to be more of a sort of next steps turning back into what I love most, which has a lot to do with supporting regenerative agriculture and regenerative technologies, one set for example will help us get off of fossil fuels, and there's a lot that I. Learned in writing the book that I get so excited. About is really amazing so I haven't yet really had a chance. Circumstances that are trying to sponsor the best site. Chang right now on side of me, but That's my oldest. Just give people empowering in. Tools that we can create more beautiful world together. I actually what I WANNA, do and final question for you. What does ultimate health mean to you? Ultimate health as a deep question. You know someone who is. Major that results in it. What's the alternate reality? So for me. It's interesting because if you go back to the origin of the word, health actually comes from A. Proto Indo. European word that we don't even know what it was. We know it exists because that's just how chemical back in these trees, and that word also is the origin of the word holy as well as whole, so an interesting thing that houses become separated separated from the sacred, quite the contrary right like when you go, get a scan of your body, and you get treated desires. Recognition of the person or the soul that's there, and so what I believe is required for full healing. Is that remove ourselves from systems that we just give away? Our power could be ill or to some doctor priests the body insert taking full responsibility, not saying doctors are helpful or saving lives. It's more that we all have an inter physician Ogonis talks about it from the inception of Western medicine and is true. There in all need to is remove interference, and then the miracle will happen. It'll happen on a physical level in have emotionally and spiritually as what I witnessed. Daily worker continue for inexperienced that regenerative process, but I tell you it's real and to me the ultimate else is just letting. The healing happens ready to have beautiful and other than listeners getting a copy of the new book regenerate. How can they connect with you? After the show? They? Yes, Oh, I've been doing a lot of instagram posting but the. Ways through our newsletter agreement INFO, DOT, com, we give away five hundred page less natural health resource, all restaurants on remedies for example, and then they. Newsletter where we feature. Article video that we feel is top importance for that day, and that's how I stayed in. Our I will. We're going to link all that up in the show notes over at ultimate health podcast dot, com and say are really enjoyed this conversation. It definitely was intriguing in informative, and there's definitely lots in here for everybody, so thank you so much of your work and looking forward to helping to get the word out about what you're doing. Thank you so much there and wishing all the best. I really enjoyed that conversation. Sayer and I hope you did as well. Let us know you thought of it over on Instagram and you can take, Sayer. He's at Sayer GMI for green. Info and we're at ultimate health podcasts, so take a screen shot of the player. Take a picture of yourself for a short video and let us know what you thought, and we love to chat with you over there for full show notes be, and over to ultimate help PODCASTS DOT com. com slash three fifty six. We have links to everything. We discussed today in a show summary, so be sure and check that out, and before we let you go I want to give some love to our editor engineer Jason Anderson over at Podcast Tech. Dot Com Jas thank you for all the hard work you put in. 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You're not voting for the one that gets saved your voting for the one that gets eliminated again forever forever advert as movie will vanish for all time you will have no memory of it. It's gone between commando total total recall Predator and Terminator two ever ever ever ever. That's tough man that's tough. That's tough choice. I I have my choice to but I'm going to vote. You'RE GONNA vote. I'm going to vote exercising your vote but yeah. I'm an American. I'm telling you man commando had quite the following that I did not expect like commandos fun. I I did not expect that many people I think when you say our if there's an alien it came down. This planet wanted to tell me about Arnold Schwarzenegger that would it'd be like one of the movies. Maybe my I I would show he doesn't spleen doesn't have teammates. There's no no partners it's him and this is Arnold. I was showing Predator but like gone listen alien you mess with us. This is what's going to take you out so you keep the aliens in line because you don't know the exact reason they're visiting came. We're actually broadcasting asking the signal radius on a P.. One day Nassar's broadcasting to put her out into space and the having the Eighties Dean is actually a documentary or what actually occurred like Daily News warning it don't come with us or somebody actually just tweeted out their choice to us and put he man. I think they're confusing CONAN. Oh yeah that's a good one though yeah I mean if you re did he man I would cast arnold in his prime in his prime but I mean unfortunately now it's a a little late for <hes> bringing Arnold into he man you listen Caspian Los Angeles about thirty six hours L Z <hes> until the trade hey deadline passes in baseball and the dodgers in theory looked to make themselves as bulletproof as possible heading into the playoffs looking to get back to the world series for the third straight season and this time winning it we we've seen reports now of them. Having talks with the pirates <hes> involving Felipe Vasquez a great left handed reliever potential closer if you needed him to but they're asking for pre high price some prospects they want Gavin Lux middle infielder dodgers. Don't want to give him up the dodgers have been linked to Edwin D as as he traded the joke Michael Give us a Baltimore is still on this givens right. I thought it was business. I don't get it. I can give him. He's a brother to never trust and there's there's this question this question just with the dodgers. Of how confident are you heading getting into this deadline. Like how much do you think has to be done and really at what price are the dodger front. Office is known for being very careful airfoil very meticulous very pragmatic about how they go about doing this the way they value prospects and they're good at evaluating them but it's three years. You're looking to get three straight years into the world series. You're looking to win this year. Well here's the question. Do you believe they can get to the world series without making any changes dancers yes yes. Do you believe that they can win the world series without making any changes. The answer is yes. Do you believe that Lux is worth the risk risk. That is a question we can't answer and we can't answer because we don't know much about him. Besides what we read we're not. We haven't been taking the gains we we don't know if he's going to pan out. We do know there's been chatter about calling him up and we do know that he is so coveted that he reportedly is holding up this trae from happy in the first place. Ask as I would just we I reflect back to just my own thought pattern you know three years ago when there was an opportunity to mitigate Chris Assail who I think is you know especially at that time which just a absolutely dominant pitcher trading cody bellinger who had never seen for three years later cody imbalances M._v._p.. Candidate and Chris Sale is you know the cell has Mohsen it. Yeah I mean what what I think is really interesting too like when you mentioned Gavin Lux and like you I will be the first to admit I have barely seen the kid at all like I don't really know what to make of him other than the fact that the dodgers really covered him but then when when you think about the long term picture with Gavin locks he plays the same position as Cory seager and I know in theory you could get a second. I was going to say in theory. You can convert one of them but you know the idea of who would be better at it who would be more okay more open towards switching. You know just because you can do it doesn't mean it necessarily would be the best way using what my job Peterson yeah I mean. It's clearly not that easy. Jock Petersen last night was benched late in the game. I did not run out a eighth inning ground ball and a rough week. Yeah he's been playing first base. I don't think has been enjoying it and let his emotions nations get to them and Peterson to his credit admitted it. I think that <hes> yeah it is unprofessional and let the emotions get the best of me and I need to <hes> better than that. Ah today WHO's no singer anything. It's a combination of things but yeah you would've thought bubble is. I'm playing first base take. I'm playing first base so close to the plate. I'm really Sigli like there's a bunch of other outfielders like why don't you put one of them. Did I baste like why can't Verdoux go do this. I've been up longer than for Dugo. Why can't make that guy go do it? I don't know I cody. He's probably thinking cody bellinger like is the first base the first. Why am I doing this interesting what he can do Davis Kingston tires and let them and it's okay to kick some tires? What's not okay is that you let something like that? Interfere what you know. You're supposed to be doing this professional baseball player. Oh it's not okay and you know again to his credit. Jack Petersen admitted that was unprofessional me. I have to do better. The team deserves better than that. He had no argument with Dave Roberts benching him but you know he's got to be frustrated like I mean he really. It's gotta be frustrated to be the guy that's picked to be out of your element in such a public way and there are thirty games over five hundred he got. He got some rigmarole. He's got some wiggle this okay. Here's the team has wiggle room. He doesn't personally have wiggle room when he's the one making these errors like it doesn't doesn't feel like wiggle room. When you're the one accumulating all these mistakes shock is established? Dave knows what it is. He's trying something and it's fine and it's you know I don't one or kick him too much because he is out of his element and he's made some errors and he was over four yesterday and he was frustrated at frustration came out in that fashion they kind of is what it is but when we go back to the established roster and and who the guys are waiting naturally plays you brought up <hes> in our cory seager who I think as far as the candidates be moved. He seems pretty comfortable being the one to be moved over to third or second wherever you want to place them and let lux caught be because up if LUX's that good if looks is not that good then. I don't know why we're having this commerce. Lodging is definitely that good but it just it's. There's a lot of different questions that come with with the idea of Covenant Gavin looks like I said one of them is okay. What's the long term future for Cory seager or can Gavin locks play second like are you confident that he would be as good as short or vice versa with cory seager and these are questions? I don't know the answer to Wasn't available right so I mean I have not personally. He's done it before and I don't remember and there are seen core secrets second like I and it's a different position it is I mean I know I know they move to third me. Era was luther. That's true I mean he was a great shortstop and Justin Turner as good as he is. He's not going to be here for the long haul right so maybe that's the plane with Cory seager or with Gavin lucks I we we don't know but we do know is that the dodgers have a unique position right right now that they can go out and pull the trigger and get this one guy but I go back to the Great Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant was upset because the team would trae for who Jason Kidd and who did it hold up for Andrew Bynum. Remember that address vitamin vitamin what ended up happening. Andrew Bynum was an important part of some championship runs. He actually entered people forget about this. He's an Oeste wasn't he. He was an all star one year he was also when you're yeah I WANNA say his last year's a Laker but people actually forget because so much that narrative gets boiled down to Kobe gets upset asks for trade the Lakers don't do it then they trade for powder salt or in the finals people forget before that bynum was playing so well that Kobe actually expressed confidence confidence in their ability to get to the finals specifically because of Bynum then bynum ended up getting hurt was out for the rest of that year and then they traded for Pau Gasol and in power. I think we brought them further than vinyl wood of that year because power is just a better player than bynum period much less at that stage but you're correct bynum was actually the key to getting Kobe back on board with the Lakers. It wasn't even POW right like that had happened actually before they traded for POW. He made all star team in two thousand twelve second team the N._B._A.. In Two thousand twelve man was really good but you know in a very similar situation when you looking at what you know for sure which is Jason Kidd and and you got this this guy who hasn't really helped much yet going. What are you doing yeah you pull this trigger and you're looking at here and here we are the dodgers I Andrew Bynum and a guy named Lux and we're looking there? Jason Kidd going. What are you waiting for? He pave asking this is Jason. Go get Jason Kidd. We'll all suppression. We don't know if Biden actually or by logging is actually buying them in waiting will the thing also though that makes it even more complex for the dodgers is as you know Kobe was upset because he thought the team was nowhere close to being able to win and I understand me I covered that team that team limped into the playoffs they were terrible well and I and as much as you could look at the situation a lot of ways that Kobe force with them moving shack and <hes> you know they were in the midst of a rebuild. I I could understand Kobe's frustrations. The dodgers are really close like that's the difference and on one hand you could say hey we're really close. We don't necessarily necessarily have to be that aggressive or you could say you're that close be aggressive. You can turn the argument on either side attorney argument either I I'd be aggressive and I think the Yu Darvish thing is is the cautionary tale be aggressive to a point yeah you know because if he'd be progress to a point you may be success with to a point if you be aggressive with no limits then maybe the outcome of that series with Houston is different here. We are in a very similar situation where other names being floated out there like Brad Hand <hes> D as their other names that are being out there that wouldn't cost you as much and still addressed the same issues but not not as aggressive as a vast trade will. Do you relive what happened with against Houston because we didn't go all in or do you go. You know what we've learned that lesson once we love we love lucks but we need to win. Now here's the thing though is as aggressive as they went the last couple of deadlines when they brought in Yu Darvish and then with Machado those guys were both rentals tolls which means you can automatically put your own ceiling on the prospects. You'd be willing to give up because you know the other team is acknowledging. It's a rental you can make yourself a lot more more aggressive when you just don't limit your shopping at all is l.. Z. Secretly doing a morning show on some other radio the station we explore the answer coming up next on the morning show. Do you know what store to he went to know. Terry crews myself as a Western Michigan University Bronco baby is he. Eh these are bucking Bronco Man. You WanNa talk about an unlikely career like an unlikely career twist like from where he he began. Did it start with the old spice. That's why I really remember. We started western Michigan University. oops wrong button old was ice cream remember. He's yes Hamas were he was hilarious and I mean Brooklyn nine nine. He's really funny on that like this was unexpected man and turned up a pretty cool for him absolutely happy birthday Terry crews pitie pity years old or fifty one forty nine but somewhere your brother Raj dot com likes to give estimates for the birthdays yeah just being neighborhood just like a window. Oh yeah here's fifty one see I knew once I get one wrong and it's not my fault see decided they don't really update it like everybody hates. Rosh kroons the Paul in the in the O._C.. By the way on our dodger conversation from earlier Paul how are you hey man. Thanks for the call. I appreciate yeah. I know it's like that goofy. Time of year we get all worked up about traits and they gotta treat all this do all this stuff. The fact that matter is they have been relatively and I use it stress relatively conservative conservative and how they've traded and what they've done during the season but they've gone out and done stuff guys I mean sixteen. They wouldn't get rich Hill rettig they get Yu Darvish granderson. They get Manny Machado last year they have gone out and tried and done what they thought they needed to do to put them over the top and that cannot be denied night but the truth is that our conservatism is why they are who they are today their depth they are I it sets them apart from every other team in the national league and really in two thousand nineteen aside from every team in the American league and it shouldn't be lost so when the dodger brass's either play poker saying hey we're not so sure we want WanNa give this guy or they truly don't then I think they've earned the credibility at this point for us to go. You know what the hell they're doing and and by the way they are are right there <hes> we don't WanNa mortgage the future and then all of a sudden. We're a third place team for a decade. You don't appreciate the call there Paul I I understand what he's talking talking about. I just also feel like a lot of ways individual star power and baseball's overrated just because as a player you only get by design of the game so so many opportunities to affect it right like like as great as Mike Trout is over the course of a game in my trout is the best player in baseball by printer. Yes healthy healthy margin. Yes he will get to the plate. Maybe five times have a handful balls hit at him. You know maybe make a couple of throws most of the game. He doesn't directly influence right like it's not like basketball like where one player can absolutely tip your team in a totally different direction like you only hold so much sway and that to me is why indepth is so much more important and just lack of weaknesses is so much more important yeah and then there's the other part of the product baseball because the season is so long there are peaks and valleys they come in. I know opportune times so typically <hes> you know the stars if you will make come into the postseason with anywhere between twenty five and forty home runs and then go in and like an oprah five stretch and people think they're bum you know it was like a paging Alex Rodriguez yeah. Sometimes you know you could be dominant and consistent but baseball might trump goes through droughts. We don't hear about the much in large part because you don't get the postseason but you you can't control when the drought hits yeah so even though you know you could be a great player. If it hits you around time and similarly you could be a bomb into the freaking world series to get on a hot streak. Manny Machado is a really good player and everyone one of the dodgers to get him and they did and he unfortunately did not play well well. He didn't play horrible do what we thought. He didn't. Manny Machado who the three series the dodgers played any Batta below two hundred yeah yeah I mean stats and stuff you know Paul from the guys and make sure you join us next week for E._S._p._N.. O._C. Hussein starting on August fifth come on out to our live remotes and no one does remotes like us right L Z now like us but coach on a week early is going out for for your chance to win a look right behind Anthony Jurors canoed. Let me try that again. Anthony Davis Number three jerseys and more now. You must be present to win for a complete list of our E._S._p._N.. O._C. events follow follow us on twitter instagram and facebook on E._S._p._N.. Loss Angeles good-looking Jerseys. Men are good looking. They are Highbury. It'd be seen a lot of Anthony Davis jerseys around L. elaborate. He's at three room. Look Nice broad shoulders speaking of three. How about we do three to highway got three the hard way? <hes> we put out the poll at Cam brothers in honor of Arnold Schwarzenegger seventy second birthday. We got four arnold classics. Three of them will survive you have have to eliminate one of Four commando which we added because we're the show the people have spoken people kind of screwed us over rush house right now right now forty forty five percent are saying to eliminate command thirty two percent eliminating total recall wow fifteen percent eliminating nominating t to and only eight percent wait Predator we hereditary over voted people actually voted to Predator off the island. Yes who are these eh communist man I would protect T to before I protect Predator if I can only protect one. I'm protecting Predator. I'm protecting Predator predators. You protect them. Only had locks hawks. He was a brother Yeah I would Predator would be my number two Predator meeting my number two. If you had to eliminate one I'd eliminate eight commando eliminate of course we didn't want to put men on the list well but what's put race on the list shoutout even as the Wayans you've been raised. He's did it Rosh would keep commander. Though I'm assuming well I just wanted to when I think of Arnold I think a Predator tea and then I think commando commando is just compensation. Eliminate total recall your sex ED movie. It was very it was a great movie. I mean you can't eliminate total recall. Call you forgot how good it was. See See what I did but commando encompasses everything on it was about then he was in better feet peak. <hes> you know skills and just had his muscle skills. Yes Kim yeah. He said nothing about the movies because that's what I remember to big big machine guns and that's not a skill that's fantasy. That's US kill you try. This seems to actually by the way like commando was just rogers aspiration like he's just watching Arnold going. I WanNa be that and then when I say the actresses and you didn't know you forgot about that too neighbor one total recall actress Jamie Lee Curtis total recall Sharon stone in total recall. Yes you ever you stones break commando man. He's he just taken out all the people in my eyes nickleby every single Arnold Schwarzenegger movie right now. I feel like we got screwed over in this particular case being the show of the people because the people people spoke told us to put commando on and then once we book commando on there. It's the one that's getting eliminated the most well. It's the least protected three recent giant. I don't know oh how anybody could vote for T- to like even and I love Predator. I get Predator but I don't know how anybody could vote for T.. Two I think is best movie. Andy you remember that had that show at universal studios at three three one for Terminator Yeah Yeah Oh yeah I mean I. I don't know how you could get rid of Terminator two that just of all of all of the Arnold movies and all of the Arnold Franchises you break them down terminators as best franchise but t to I think that's just a peak doc of Arnold period right so I want to clarify something really quickly because it apparently requires clarification just heard from over twitter from Ryan Paul so unclear earlier in our three the hard way poll with Arnold Schwarzenegger if we vote for our faith in which the least one falls off or if we vote for which one gets eliminated its not unclear unclear. Why that's why commandos getting all those votes they think they're voting for their favourite say as my phrasing is clear? This is what I tweeted out and now it's time time three the hard way with Arnold Schwarzenegger who just turned seventy two here are four arnold classics three survives one will get vanished for all of time which one gets eliminated. That's pretty damn clear is pretty clear and I even put gets eliminated in caps a put it in Spanish. I think actually you can make it so your twitter feed. We'll offer a translation like if your twitter first language is Spanish. It's right there. You're like don't blame me dummies if you can't read like hey hey hey hey don't be coming on our show and then blowing up our listeners condom dummies. We'll just these particular ones. I would just call them. You know reading topper mistreating challenge reach. I'm just saying like it's right there. He says I mean it's pretty clear I will be the first one at speakers at all. I will be the first to admit actually when we did this recently with Eddie Murphy in the afternoon show I was doing this with Freddie everywhere. Well and I've always given rush credit though I always give rise credit that this was Roger Schtick and that this was a remnant originally it originated with maximum arsov away as you can always give Mark Jackson credit he rings. I mean I have this team with our Mark Jackson Championships. Yeah I mean well. That's when you feel secure. Secure saying it when you've got you've got the three championship rings. You feel confident giving everybody else all the credit okay because you know that you're the one with jewelry right all right so <hes> per the A._p.. Louisiana Judge L. Z.. <hes> has ordered that N._F._l.. Commissioner Roger Goodell and three officials from January's N._F._C. title game can be questioned under oath in September about the infamous. No call that helped the Los Angeles Rams beat the New Orleans and saints in January's N._F._C. title game a lawyer said Monday. There's a lawyer name Antonio Lemond who has filed a lawsuit whereas nothing else to do nothing else to do do he's. He's trying to get seventy five hundred dollars or seventy five thousand dollars which will be donated to charity. He's made it clear. This is not about the money he is simply upset over over the no call that there wasn't a pass interference or roughing roughness penalty against Nicole Roby Coleman for the helmet to helmet his Tommy Lee League Luis Antonio Yeah. I don't know why it got to be single right. Just too much time on your spouse wouldn't let you do that right right. Your spouse wouldn't allow you to invest as much time and to the into this conversation right I mean I guess it depends how big a saints fantasy I mean if she or he or he this is America Damn Thousand Nineteen Gene exactly his spouse he or she or maybe even a spouse inside piece that could go in either. Direct aside definitely was like not into this 'cause the scientists has running enough time as it is. I I love by the way to that. He is so far I believe in two courts. Both of them are in Louisiana like he is stacking at the home field advantage in filing the suit like one of them has been a Louisiana judge. The other one's been in New Orleans judge like he is making sure to put everything in his favor as he tries is to push this suit as just I get being upset you know certainly there have been teams that I've been fans of across many sports. What's that have not gotten a benefit of call that seemed pretty egregious to me sometimes in a championship round sometimes in the playoff sometimes this innocuous regular season game so I get it and I get the feeling somehow you arrived or targeted or whatever but come on like to involve the legal system at this point unless there's unless you're thinking legitimacy as a as a gambling scheme happening in which case the Fed is would be involved? Yeah not some Rinky dink lawyer. I'm from Louisiana style some respect on Antonio loans name. No I'm not I'm not you're giving not only do you know why stop do you think is the name was originally lemon changed it to Joan. I mean if if that's the case now got respect for change the Lhamo Attorney limit now. You Ain't going to law school no Alamo. Why wouldn't hire Antonio Lemon? No I might hire Antonio Ramon. I mean I mean first of all lemon. That suggests that it's not gonNA work yeah every. Aren't you know you've got yourself lemon. Nobody wants to do that. Look I'm torn between thinking that this suit is absolutely ridiculous and frivolous frivolous and a waste of time and also thinking that it's kind of Hilarious to watch Roger Goodell's time get wasted like this in such frivolous fashion like the idea of Goodell on the stand I actually we think it's kind of amusing. It's kind of funny to me. I'm on Antonio Lemoyne's face <hes> facebook page now you found him. What's he look journalists? Do that's what I did slide slider D._M.. Louisiana explaining myself. Let's see he's standing next to his degrees. Which Louis University again Louisiana hometown product he's like one of Louisiana's favorite sons for some reason he studying next to a piece of art that has drafted raff warning? I didn't think with your Fisher Animal Louisiana Giraffes Louisiana. I'm guessing no I mean do draft survive well in swamp swamp areas and stuff. It's very swampy and marshy in New Orleans in Louisiana that doesn't strike me as the natural habitat of giraffe painter sense of my question whether or not he singler Matt Whoo Antonio Lhamo Antonio Lemond doing welcome sell lemonade Antonio Lemond good for you and but then there's this and I go maybe she's not around and he's posing with what looks to be like like Henry dangerous play the children's Superhero look I gotta say this is petty and ridiculous the suit like unless you think something nefarious went on like bad bad calls happen I also happen to be a cardinal's Fan. <hes> who still has not quite gotten past nine thousand nine hundred five world series against the royals Don Lincolnshire ensure blowing an obvious call at a point where the cardinal should've been wrapping the at first right Yep and I'm not saying it was all dentures fault because there were still more game to be played Eighty five longtime ago still quite gotten past it. Israel in Fontana wants to wo- Arnold Schwarzenegger what's up. What's up boys eight <hes> Um? I let me just say <hes> my top. Four Predator commando terminator and I can't believe nobody's giving mean any love to unless you only one last action hero nearly only one is look at the box office. It doesn't matter WHA- actually it's an indicator popular film has only make like one hundred grand box. That's true that's true but I saw the it's the hold up up never held up. Yes it is never held up in the first place. That's why tanked and believe me. I remember when it came out. I couldn't believe it and like L Z. <hes> took his a a book bag way the pizza's in it. I actually took two dozen respect for you. Appreciate the call there. Is I mean I I couldn't believe it when last action hero came out either but for very different reasons than Israel waking up with keyshawn and his boys he's it's kind of like that milk squashing on your cereal in the morning Mariah Carey Twenty Four Years Araya amboise demand. Yes respect Joe Phillies some love twenty four years ago today and this week once we day is no longer the number one song of all time on the billboard hot one hundred and loses too old town road Jane Tammy and it's insane. How popular that song thing is like it's just a remix of the song what's the name little nausea six? It's just a remake of his own song just remixed it with billy ray Cyrus and it's huge huge huge thing now under soups. That's what happens once we day. Hell that number one spot for twenty four years this on yeah really have. Have you not been listening to the show I saw okay. I didn't think it was that good of a song whore is like as I can't play this and he's like this. One has a key. I guess that's what it is sixteen weeks a number one wow that's four months rush. That's a long time for my song was number one in the country even Raj dot com. They'll tell you it's four months. Wow then lit. A Nas X. comes in house seventeen weeks. There's money so my question to you is will oh country make hey tell me nothing. Drivers Slash remakes fast remain. We'll that last twenty four years as time song on the billboard hot one hundred. I'm tempted to say yes. It's not like I'm going to be around a terrier. I'm telling you wrong. I'm tended to say yes. I mean this. This doesn't happen very often but you know what's interesting. Though is that when Mariah Carey and Boyz demand hit number one their measurements for songs peaking number one was significantly mificantly different now they include video replays spotify streaming all this you had to go out and buy one sweet yeah yeah. Everybody's not running out and buying the physically go play your music yes which was better. Actually I mean I know it's more convenient now but I think the record store experience mattered cuts start in late new sample CDs stuff before your bottom hit hours. Yeah I have money like am I going by tribe called quest or am I going by outkast well. You'd also look at what other people were listening to as well and that would give you ideas. It was a communal experience. I still do it by still go to bieber records in Hollywood Hollywood and just roll like an hour and I come out with like I finally <hes> Duke Ellington Ella Fitzgerald L._P.. From back in the day and I was like I asking people say he's the guy with the parrot on his shoulder. Still they're having seen him. Do you know who I'm talking about. There's this guy in Amoeba. That was a regular were there would be there every single time I came in and he would just be wandering the aisles and he had this paranoid show that was his thing that was his thing. I really quick couple. More people want to weigh in on Arnold and three the hard way and honor of his birthday happy seventy second to Arnold Pat in North Hollywood. What's up what's up guys? I get the the movie thing and that's awesome. The answers Conan the barbarian by the way he's the king eighteen the one liners and I think that's what we should be celebrating. I don't even know if I knew what a one liner was before the Arnold era and my personal favorite is from <hes> <hes> kind of forgotten one called raw deal. Oh yeah I really he comes in and his wife's all angry and she's making a cake and they go through this thing thing and he goes where we having for dinner. This we have that will make us fat so she throws the Cake Adam and he you know sidesteps it and really cool Arnold Fashion Ashen and he looked at her dead in the eyes and he said you should not drink and bike is the greatest sign at Schwarzenegger history uh-huh terrible so you should not drink and bake so aw awful almost bad once day it is bad jerry. Jones has got a bit of a dilemma on his hands right now. Ezekiel Elliott is not with the team in Oxnard for training camp. He is down in Kabo a resort town in Mexico training during his holdout and Jerry Jones weighed in on the importance of Ezekiel Elliott with trying to win a super bowl. You don't have to have a rushing champion to win. A Super Bowl but Emmett was the first one to do it and that's one of the dilemmas at running back is that the League knows that you can win super bowls and not have the Emmett Smith breath back. There are not have Z. back there consequently when we are looking and putting Zeke's contract in place. We've we've got to realize that the ultimate go is to win the Super Bowl and so you've got to do all of the things along with having Zeke that allow allow you to have other players so that you can win the super bowl. He's the most talented player Elsie yeah and that's really where the dilemma Emma comes in for Jerry Jones and the the money that they WANNA be spending and they've got also figure out pain Dak Prescott they gotta figure out paying Amari Cooper and Zeke Elliott is off the field by far the least reliable of these three guys and the guy that you would worry about the most committing mid to long-term before you even take into account the position he plays which is considered the most disposable among skill positions in the N._F._l.. But Ezekiel Elliott it is their most talented player. So what do you do. I mean from a analytics perspective. Jerry Jones is right the N._F._l.. L. This past season rest ball fewer times than any other point in the history of the league. The game has shifted the Problem Ms for Jerry Jones is that his offensive scheme has not and as a result they're heavily reliant on what Ezekiel Elliot does in does at a very very high level level or at least they used to because they're not feeling away you still he's no longer p Britney spears. Put it that way brothers slid a little bit <hes> not sure I used to be doing it was Kabul's IOS and chips and GUAC. He's probably anyway. That would make me so nervous. If I'm one of his teammates like the idea of Zeke unsupervised supervised in Kabul guest run on a beach. I'm sure the hotel is at as a nice you know fitness spa. Whatever Zeke unsupervised in Kabul would make me nervous interested the irony of all this is that the person who's given this quote in this situation right now was thinking the exact same position with Emmett Smith when Emmett Smith held out in the players revolted and they signed him? What did they do win? Super won a super bowl. What say why are you doing this? You know what he means to the team. I mean I guess you could look at it. Two different ways one. The game was much more running back centric back when Emmitt Smith got his money with the cowboys when he was the feature piece of that team you know he's one of the best running backs in the league even at Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin being as great as they are you know Emmett Smith was every bit as great as them and it was a different different game but you you mentioned something interesting to the players revolted with Emmett Smith. There hasn't been a player revolt yet on behalf of Ezekiel Elliott now. What does that potentially say well? I think it's a couple of things one hasn't gotten to the point yet because he I'm playing Yup to you know maybe zeke's Gallison People's nerves because of all the things the suspensions to constantly finding yourselves answering questions about your teammate when you get giving trouble in sport whether it's the N._B._A. or N._H._l.. Or Baseball we as reporters aren't just going to go to the person who got in trouble double. We're going to go to other players and ask for reaction to the trouble that their main player guide into. It's like when you're not here. It was like Rod. Were those e kitchen wares. Everyone has to answer questions. Go ahead. Please still do that. Still I mean none of the other guys of the show here Natan Chris I'm here. You've been holding down this showing my back hurts. I mean carrying it for so long last three or four days nobody else and no one's going to remember it. No no one's going to remember because that's stick has already been permeated out in the ether. I you know what I hear. The Guy who does not Jared Goff of radio I've been Steve fissured and I can go to the Super Bowl and people still think I'm a byproduct of the System Jeff Fisher. Whatever Steve Fisher won a championship with <hes> mich- Michigan it actually win? I don't know he did win. 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Robots! Christian Hubicki Talks Westworld
"Everybody Josh Very here. We are back some additional coverage of westworld season three. The season three premiere dropped earlier. This week Joe Garfield and I already have our recap up on post show recaps but this season bringing special guests as we can on rolling basis to go through your feedback to talk about the show theorize. Talk about nonsense. Sure much nonsense to be discussed here in this space and to that end it gives me great joy to bring in my first nonsense partner. Somebody who I have not talked to on an official podcast microphone since longtime ago in a jungle very far away but a man who is who knows a thing or two about the technology at the heart of Westworld. It is the great robotics expert himself. A full-on David the great professor Christian. Who Vicki thanks? Josh is great to be did. I don't do the interest as well as robbed us. Oh you don't have the Stinger with with the bell. You don't want this to one but it's a wonderful thing you need your one thing. I WANNA wombat sounds like there's I don't think that's what it sounds like. It's possible it is. You can always that could be your Stinger. I guess I'm not sure how that will go over in the long run but a few times of real areas we'll see we'll see if we can come up with. Oh let's crowd source of wombat noise. If anybody has a good suggestion for wombat noise we can Have that bewigged. Lers BELL IS. The is the sound of a wombat. Christian of course if you are not a survivor. Fan Christian played on survivor you spectacular and survivor. He's a great friend of mine and it really is actually pretty crazy to me. Christian never would have guessed this. That are first time podcasting together after I went out on a westworld. Podcast I feel like this is probably just going to Mutate into a grant. Excuse to talk about survivor. We'll see where it goes will. I'm sure we'll find some topics but yet the IT seemed. I'm glad you reached out to me about this Josh. 'cause you know is my my. I am a professor and I and my research is in the. Isn't robotics particularly robots that they get up walk around two legs so like so. I know a lot of people watch westworld and have questions about it. And so when you said you went to a feedback episode about like. Oh it's the perfect you know. Ask questions about Westworld. The robot The robotics technology is involved. And you know we. We can talk through it. It'll be fun. How're you doing Christian state of the world very a lot happening right now? I'm sure everyone would love to know just to check on you and make sure that everything's going okay so I am fine here. I'm actually down in Tallahassee. Florida mean emily. We'RE WE'RE PRETTY. Well sheltered in an isolated so basically emily emily something. We look at at on the island as well and we're fine and in terms of my class load. All professors are having to learn how to online thankfully though for me. I don't have any teaching road this term. So as a result I can focus on my research and a lot of that I can do from home. Which is nice although robots artistic I'm getting a little lonely in the lab right now. I think about it You know so. Maybe they could use some you know. They're they're getting some mandatory social distancing themselves so I'm sure they're going in and checking in on them making sure that they they've got occasional companionship or they they're having a tough it out like the rest of us. I went into this past weekend. Gave a little tour checked in our robot. Cassie it's kind of an ostrich looking robot and it's kind of sitting there. I stretched his legs a bit just to show it off. But you know it's it's it's it's doing okay so far and I'll keep cokie going in to check on it at least once a week. So who wins in a fight Casio Dolores? This is not a question we receive but it's a question that I have. I believe door. Lord's has a gun so I think that's a big advantage and she. Basically unstoppable it. Looks like we talk about the episode so we're whereas casino cash. He's pretty good at walking around it. Could you know? It doesn't need to see obstacles as it walks on them and can kinda recover which is which is cool but you know I think I think work doors could just shoot it so I gotta give the damage to add. Dolores I feel like we were talking about westworld on the island when you and I met in Fiji ahead of David Versus Goliath. I cannot remember the context but I absolutely remember. I think I was trying to map. What is like to work in robotics onto what it must be like to live in the world where Westworld is a thing because I'm dumb and thought it would be Shuki and maybe that would yield a fun sound bite feel like it probably did but at the same time I? I think that you're a great person to talk to you about all of this stuff because Joan and Lisa joy who make the show really pride themselves on doing their research and grounding this in some level of reality the technology that they are leaning on they're trying to work with experts in the field and look towards the future and what may or may not be possible while still maintaining that line of having an entertaining fantasy story basically from your perspective professor. How how does this all hold up as Westworld just like schlocky? Entertainment are there. Are there slivers of ideas in here that that really resonate with you Give us just the the lay of the land. So I'm glad you gave me that little piece of context in terms of the showrunner 'cause I purposely tried not to read what the show runners we're talking about so I could come in with like fresh opinions on that and in the research shows I am overall. My overall impression of the show is that they did their homework. And what they're showing. The show are reasonable science fiction the interpretations of things that happening today from everything from the From kind of centralize AI. That rehoboth him from this most recent episode. I thought that was interesting. I'm sure we'll talk about but like when I when I when I peel back a little bit robotics that they talk about Mike. Yeah no that's for. The most part is quite reasonable. It's not crazy and it. So I'm over all very impressed with the way they manage to make a futuristic SCI FI show about robots. Try and take over the world in something feel very grounded There are little things I think they are interesting touches that I can point out over the course of the podcast interesting or bad. There's lots of good interesting ones there. Also some some things that people that wouldn't that make sense they would get cut from the show is. You're making a sci fi show that are real problems with robots that are difficult to get over that they that they kind of become golfing away which is totally reasonable for a show like this but yeah so. I I guess I just worked. Start here I guess we have. We do have the The westworld robots overall westworld robots overall. Yeah I mean are we are we. I guess like so so this takes place in. We finally got a date on the board I think. Hbo Is Openly Saying Twenty. Fifty eight is when the show is taking place right. Now the premier takes place. I think that you could do the math when Bernard says when when is the last time you had contact with doors. Abernathy and ninety something days says about ninety days since they escaped the park so twenty fifty eight and thirty years past the point that they have started Thirty four years past the point that they have started doing the original stages of Dolores in the first run of hosts like back in like the Arnold era before all the fit hits the Shan in that regard are we does that mean what were years away is a twenty four is when is when Arnold is is building like the Deloitte mechanical the Lawrence in suicide. We're not there. We're not there that I'd say that's the one I mean I. I want to lead with a lot of praise generally for the show because they do a lot of things right but I have to point out like Warri. It'd be one thing to have four years from a robot that is reasonably practical in walking around But like the big macguffin for me towards the robotics One of you is that thinking it to be so human like and like like in so accurate. Like if you looked at Even those early versions of Dolores I. I don't know if that's one of the earliest versions of the show of its twenty twenty four or not but like at so convincing that so real and people are working on like animatronic faces making the more real and they're making progress but he is so good at detecting fakeness in human in human faces. Particular human human behavior generally and even like a next gen video gaming like even like like a like the highest quality playstation. Four game that has like the best graphics that you've ever possibly seen even like their depictions of what human being looks like the uncanny valley like fatigue off. Whatever that is like. We're not all the way there And to replicate that even in in our grounded reality of feels like we've got. We've got a long way to go before we're able to do that right. That's I think that to me. That's the biggest conceit of the show. I one of the bigger concede to the technology to show. Is that not only? Did he manage to make a robot that can interact in reality into practical things but it's it's convincingly an unmistakably human-like in that's the that is the biggest thing and your uncanny valley is the key term there and you pointed out that's a point. I often bring up when I've taught other Obama's Josh about look in. Cgi You know even in that perfect where we have control over every pixel you know at the best looking CGI that people come up with is like ended pixel by Pixel when they make Robert Downey junior space look younger in captain in marvel films and so like the artists are kind of like who are aided by computer by computer technology. But they're also like individually smoothing frames sometimes. So that's where we're at in computers as opposed to reality so yeah but but I will say that like the idea of like someone like Arnold or a team like an Arnold And Ford back in the day like a people who have who have vision Really making some big advances in robotics on their own is not crazy robot a while lots of technologies really require massive teams to make research progress medical science being one of them. I think there's lots of There's lots of research of these take place in order to make big advances. Sometimes you just get someone some some some guy or Gal who comes with the Roy smart idea and can put it in a robot something they hadn't seen before For instance there's A. There's a gentleman in Japan. I don't know his name but his youtube handle is pretty popular. He makes these tiny little humanoid robots that are about the size of a foot tall oak and neat and and Joe Yeah Yeah a little bigger than a Gi Joe and it looked like a robot it looks almost the like the real steel robots that from Hugh Jackman movie and they walk around in a really nifty way that can actually walking balance beam. They ride a little bicycle. This guy is like a like a crash and knows how to make these cool things like so so that idea of having a Ford afford in Arnold Getting the robots on their own. That's not crazy and I also like the idea. A vision of Westworld of having these humanoid robots and the logical party of rain will be like who would bother to spend all this money To make a theme park where you Mentally new to make a robot that is convincingly human just to convince people at a theme park. That's such a crazy idea but it works because four is kind of crazy right. And that's a critical piece of it. I can see kind of works and and there's parallels that in real life I mean there are real life entrepreneurs drag people Christian people there. I had to have a career ours. You've got a good record. Save NEAR THERE. But there are real life entrepreneurs ones you might not even know their names who will dump sometimes tens of millions of dollars into pre ambitious robotics projects like there's actually a And not to say this person that's crazy but there's actually there's extra project out of Korea where they built a two foot tall mech that walks and why for saw youtube video i. I didn't believe it at first like who would spend money. That's that will cost millions of dollars and sure enough some entrepreneurs Support over something. Like twenty five million dollars to build a giant mech. Now what they're gonNA do with that is is is is anyone's guess but like people do that kind of thing. Let's get into some of the technology that we are seeing in the current time line because it looks like by the end of the episode that the that the park itself is going to come back into play soon but for the vast majority of the premier we are seeing our world. We're seeing mostly Los Angeles in twenty fifty eight and we have Aaron Paul's character. Caleb who is working alongside a robotic construction worker. We had some questions about that that character's name is George as somebody who is a namer of robots. Do you like the name. George Robot Georgians fine for a robot. Everyone door just fine. I mean everyone has their own style of naming robots if it's a it's a series of robots. You know you often give it a lot more. Thought if it's just like this is my one clearly. The fact factory assembled robot call George why not says George? The robots distorts the robot. There's stuff like the RICO APP that Caleb is using which is like hand pocket grand theft. Auto Me Tuber. There's all these things. Are these implants in people's brains? That seemed like you can kind of like self medicate digitally. I'm struggling to figure out exactly what that is. What stood out you about sort of the future world. I think just in terms of the West road mythology does feel to me like they are. They're winking towards that. There was future world was a sequel to to Westworld Park in the Westworld universe. Maybe not I mean I I honestly I mean there was a future world. I forget what the names of the movies where I definitely watch both in the movies after came back and I and by the way I'd say I that first season of Westworld. I was so happy with that. It's one of the rare shows that the entire rest of the series to go off the rails and I wouldn't care because versus not going to watch that in it doesn't leave the so. I mean it kind of ends in a cliffhanger but at the same time I can just assume in my head how. The robot uprising goes forward from there. Finally that I love that many people did that. Many people did just watch that. I decided the show went off the rails. I'll just call it so and so one thing I do like about this. Premier is that it does the most world building this show has done since the premiere of the whole series In that they have to let the introducing you to the human world and they have to show you what that what the world's like so that way it makes sense that would go into a crazy theme park that makes sense that people would own a crazy theme park with with with robots in any sense of what people are like. And it's fairly missing throbbing view of humanity. Which is which is not a surprise if you've been to me based WANNA. Us World on a one of the things. I was at the premiere in in Hollywood a few weeks ago and Lisa Joy Journal. No one gave a big speech at the Chinese theater. In the Middle Hollywood before they aired the premiere for everybody and Lisa had sub cheeky comment about like our show exists in the future. And as you'll see we don't have a lot of hope for it has a way of like setting up. How they have a lot of how they have a lot of happiness and faith in their crew and everything which is like the world's pretty bleak right now and by our show you could tell we don't think it's getting much better. Wow Yeah I mean I. It's a in that certainly a viable view to take for a science fiction. Show I mean look and talk about a few technologies. I mean you mentioned the the implants and the end of the last time accurate expertise. Technically speaking I'm guessing that there's wafers very communion religious like wafers that people were eating like Catholic wafers I feel like a very intentional Visual choice that yet and so. I wonder if I'm allowed to use them your use them. I mean as as as as half Jewish person I don't know I. I don't know the rules Josh. I consulted expert on that but being taught by talk to theologian right. I I I think that Might like I don't like to do like predictions about what's going to happen but it's very clearly these implants and has mentioned this. This this This this God fearing part of the brain that the nucleus accumbens avert down I. I wouldn't be shocked if like if Dolores went in hacked. These implants that made human made all humans worship the robots God's I'd The the title of the episode is obviously. The religious. Imagery is all over the place in this episode entitled the episode what Parsi Domini Yep Yeah so which which brought me back to my my medieval music history days Which was in the past? But the I would love to do a separate podcast on that at some point. 'cause you can't just throw that out there and tell us more. Bachelor Medieval Music History. Sure I'll drop a story of yet but yeah there's so I am in that's entirely episode. Rehoboth. Oem Of course is at least either. Look it up in the Jewish king. I believe picking Judah it's like that's that's of course very baked in so I wouldn't be surprised if there's some message about the robots being the gods that we made that's really hammered Hammered home by the season. So that's that's good. I really like that. I think that that makes a Lotta Sense. As far as the implants people walk around computers in their heads. What is this? I don't know I mean the Tried to imply in the opening scene. They set up with that with. That doesn't mean man who Gets murder by. Dolores gets one of several Who Wafer to go to bed early. In presumably he coded it. He would sleep for six hours exactly six hours. So I don't know by eating the way for that can't be the implant You don't just digested implant so but somehow maybe it. I don't even know what the wafer how that correlates the implants are all your thoughts on that. Josh I am not clear on that. No the implants have really. I mean they're like just gives me like a lot of triggering memories of like a palate expanders from my youth. Not that I had one but I had a lot of friends who did and and I had to be a shoulder for them to cry on and I'm sure that many of you who had suffered the palate expanders can can only attest to the to the to the pain and torture. That comes such a device and to me all I can think of what I'm seeing. These people put the way for his in their mouth. You guys all opted for Palate expanders in the futures out. Desperate are we know. It looks like it's something like you'd like. Digest those waivers right. It looks like what's the character Caleb Reynolds his mom. Caleb Reynolds is the beast mode cowboy nichols is the Aaron. Paul can heal very fun. Season Premiere if Caleb from survivor was the caleb we were seeing on this show. Agata got so his mom actually takes a bite out of the way for so when she takes it. So there's some kind of correlation between maybe you program the Wafer and therefore you digest the way for the way for kids information to the implant which seems a little odd to me. Wouldn't you know? Presumably the implant could communicate wirelessly. You could actually just you could just program the dude things so. I'm not exactly sure what that relationship is but other than the obvious religious imagery. I think that they're going for but anyway. That's what I know at. There are lots of rocks in their. That'd be fun to talk about. Yeah so we've got a lot of feedback. Let's let's start getting into some of this stuff and one that I would love your insight on Christian if you if you saw what I did there because there's a company called insight I. I didn't see it on this show and I would just like to pause for a light applause Andrew. You had this question for you. Christian that circular graph that we're seeing throughout the episode. That has to be the insight supercomputer right. Are you somebody who can you? Shed some light on this sort of like big black circle. We're seeing on a big white background. That's talking about like big like critical events that are happening around the world. Did that make more sense to you than maybe it made sense to some of the rest of us. We clear to me either. Watch it because 'cause to make sure but yeah it to me it certainly is. That's real Hubble him making like making observations about the world in detecting detecting anomalies and Caleb is. Is it a NAMA. Upper small anomaly detected or something like that investigate that further. Yeah I mean. That's that's clearly like some kind of AI. Algorithm in almost certainly rehoboth him. That's looking at world events and taking a whole bunch of data and saying this does not quite correlate with what is determined to be normal. This is this is an outlier al. This is curious to me and I think that the to me the central plot point of this of this season's going to be about what is will run is reliable up to y and that's what that's that's that's clearly it so. I mean and so that's that's true in both what they actually bring up in the dialogue but also in the framing of each of these scenes like oh now we're in Los Angeles. What's this out so even even when when you're cutting into like the quote unquote of Hobo Him. Right like when we're when we're in these scenes the audio quality really suggest something dark really suggests something off really suggest something godly again like these gods that we've built. Was that the connotation that you that you took with it for me like I just can't not feel like there is a very sinister vibe. Every time we are cutting to one of the OH. It's definitely ominous the way that they frame it Now the the that doesn't necessarily mean that rehoboth itself is has some ominous intentions. And and that's something I like to talk about what people who are scared about robots taking over is that allow a lot of questions about the apocalypse do we have other apocalypse is to potentially fear then the robot one at the current moment everyone social distance socialness. Wash your hands wash hands and the end a lot of people are especially when I show off like my robot in the lab. I mean we booted up it stands up and starts walking around a bit and and you know there's kind of a mix of reactions when I have tours who watch this and some people think. Oh it's cool. It's robots walking around and other people are Kinda like you can see the the the reaction in the instant for some people some people. Kinda just recoil when take a step back just because it's so so odd you see a machine doing something that people do and they sort of instantly attribute intention to it when there is no intention behind are cassie robot rule. Literally there's a guy with a guy or a girl with a remote control saying go forward backward left and right that's the attention but looks like it's behaving as though it's it's an agent when it comes to these algorithms you can get all kinds of behaviors and that might seem like they have like intention behind it but really what they are doing is optimizing an objective. A goal that was given to it by the person who program that team programmed it and that can create some really interesting and unexpected behaviors. If you're not careful so it's possible that rehoboth Literally was coated to unlock human potential and Like A as was Liam. I believe his name said the he's not the founder of insight as the Sun Asahi's yet another founder and and he he said look. This is all about unlock human potential. But they're applying if someone's tinkering with it right. The oath is doing weird things. Maybe someone's tinkering with it. I would not be surprised if no one was tinkering with it and it's just doing what we asked but what we asked was ultimately horrible bike. Mea. It's doing its job and we didn't think so much about That aspect of it when we were creating the right right exactly and this and this happens in big ways and small ways in robotics algorithms. So so we'll do our them that are designed to make robots walk and we'll try them out in the computer simulation. I make sure we don't make the robot do something crazy. No break itself and in sometimes. If you're not careful you ask exactly what you want. It'll come up with crazy unexpected results like one time so we had the code the physics to this robot And we said here's a robot physics you're built at out of these parts. They way this much. You have these motors and this is what you can do with them. A here's the ground you can't go through the ground that's not allowed physics. Says you can't go through the ground and somehow the computer interpreted that and said okay. I can't go through the ground but I can start underground. That's okay and the and the robot was in. The computer was basically using the ground like monkey bars. Underground like weirdly interpreted what I said. I didn't tell you can't be underground. You just can't go through the ground so it was like he came up with this wacky solution on thought of that. I'm glad the robot in the real world and try that obviously would not work but again but that was just one example of how serve unintended consequences of the hour. Doing exactly what you ask of it. Language matters language matters. I must get some mathematical language like Like it And it might not be as complicated as you think you might. It would just be one line of code where we almost literally type no robot greater than or equal to height of ground. You must be above it boot right. That's it right and so Mike Bloom wanted you to just wax profound for an hour about the idea of Hobo him. You don't need to do that for a straight our uninterrupted but as far as what it is what it seems to be doing what insights agenda seems to be with it's data driven pursuits and the ways in which it seems to be like curator paths for us as human species. What are your thoughts about about some of this? I think that this really ties in pretty seamlessly with where we are in the age of social media which is only sharpening especially in the next however long. We're all like extremely online if you thought we were extremely online before what are your thoughts on home and what this seems to be suggesting From the perspective of the creators so so the allegory of Rehovot is is pretty clear to me in terms of in terms of modern day society. I mean we're talking about big data. You have your social media platforms at aggregate data things. We know what we want in this kind of extension of that and it's not the end. It's not the first. Sifi idea Story to talk about this kind of technology. I mean you know. Even Captain America to had this Algorithm. That was trying to predict who would be problems for. Hydra and stuff like that and and the I robot movie the Will Smith from probably decade pass. There was a big overseeing which basically we gave a lot of power to it. Misinterpreted what we want. It gave got it but one thing it made clear to me I when I was From technology in the West in in the westworld world that they're building the building in front of our eyes is that I was looking at physical computer. It's just like that big sphere in that building and very accessible. It says in the lobby it on. Dj Lebel client had issues with this. I actually I did have a little issue with it at In terms of someone big Gulp on it. You know we still have big gulps future. There are don't know whether they're west gulps. Their problem with Delo scopes the Adila by owns. The things never change. I think big GULPS are here to stay. I think so you know we still use wheels. Still have a so. There are a couple of thoughts one thing that made me realize about the world. They're building is that technology. The almost certainly in twenty five twenty. Whatever when he fifty something. They've cracked the problem of superconductivity at room. Temperatures Joffe reward of a superconductor a button. Light me in more scientific So so as people have heard you know. There's certain materials that conduct electricity. So copper is is is is a big one you know. It's it's in your own in copper. Wires conducting electricity and copper wires. All wires have resistance to them. Meaning that when you when you when you flow electricity through it. It resisted `electricity a little bit and burns away a little bit the energy in the form of heat so heats up rank but then scientists discovered that if you take certain materials down the super low temperatures talking near absolute Absolute Zero temperatures Not only does resistance. Go Down your resistance actually becomes literally zero not close zero but actually zero and that creates all kinds of weird cool properties. So like you take if you take a conducting material disc of social of a superconductor put in liquid nitrogen cooled down. It's a superconducting state. You can take a permanent magnet and then put it right on top of the superconducting disk. levitated there. You're just lactate and Because the that that magnet is actually inducing electric current in the disk which in turn produces its own magnetic field which pushes the magnet back so floats there which is super cool in the reason why that would be important for something like rehoboth him is that you have this massive sphere of computer right and anyone who owns a computer as a laptop on your lap for long enough it heats up right would melt right through the ground. Yes it would not follow the robot protocols that you have laid out previously precisely precisely and so and there was no. It wasn't some kind of Kreil cooled environment or anything. It just sitting there in a room by itself and then it sort of clicked with me. It's like okay. It's not just rehoboth which you probably made a superconducting materials. Probably also the little westworld robot. Brains the pearls I think they call them pearls they're probably superconductors too. Because I realized you know there are these very powerful computers just inside the robot's head. They can't have that you know frying the robot brains from the inside so this world is almost certainly correct. Cracked a room temperature superconductivity. So like so for instance Nowadays we have what are called high temperature superconductors in by high temperature means they need to be in like nitrogen that's temperature means so either. Room temperature is a really tough nut to crack I happen to work next door to the applied. Superconductivity at Florida state. So and and that would be if any one of those guys guys. Girls saw solved that problem. They win Nobel Prize for sure. Well we we had a lot of questions about about future tech in how close we are to it. And this from Brent shower man which piece of futuristic technology that we saw the premiere was the most realistic in which was your favorite. Does this qualify? What do you think that what we're seeing here with superconductor technology at room temperature with Rowbotham within thirty some odd years is that is that possible? If I knew the answer to that question I can make a good amount of money timing. I would be returning my calls for the West World Still Return recalls but at the same time. I'll be like you're people talk to. My people will set up a direct line. Do you any me with any of these major breakthroughs in science. It's very hard to know if in when they could come through. I mean we're for things like who would have thought like super doctors themselves would have been discovered at any point when found like. Oh Wow it. Changes changes a lot So it's very hard to predict when they'll come but but that's one thing I noticed about about the world like okay. This is world was superconductor with room temperature. Superconductors things make a lot of sense You know the Pearl. You mentioned the supercomputer. We're seeing here with with apply to something like hovercrafts that we're seeing in the sky or is that is that totally separate. That'd be a similar ISH. So like superconducting would be great for anything having to do with like computation and to some degree with like levitating. Some stop with magnets that would be useful but still whenever you want to move something around the world that that requires energy in that enter in that and now anything having to do with energy. Then you're you're talking. Laws of thermodynamics and thermodynamics is the study of energy so like so if you want to if you wanted to take that hovercraft men dressed up into the sky that pseudo can take effort from a battery. Pack or whatever's on board right. So that's so that that would still be a hard. A hard constraint of physics seemed pretty clean though compared to some of the vehicles. We're using today and I know from from speaking with Nolan. Enjoy that self driving cars and everything that we're seeing in the premier. Their vision of the future is. This is one that they think is absolutely going to happen. That we're absolutely going to move into a world where where you know. Automated traffic is a completely changed game. I believe sub. This isn't the exact quote but this is the spirit the quote that no-one said like the way that like we look back at people in the eighteen. Hundreds that everybody owned a horse and carriage is antiquated is the way that people down. The line are going to look back at how all of us had cars and all of us just like polluted our streets with with with with automobile traffic and this one he thinks is is accurate. It feels to me like the show has something of a vision of a cleaner energy future. Yeah that's not crazy vision of the future for sure. We are aware of these self driving car companies you know. They're trying to put their cars on the road. I so it's not crazy to think that they could've updated crack that problem by twenty fifty but I'm actually at one of the people who think that it's going to be much harder problem than people expect to put these things on the road in reality. Just because the safety concerns are are so paramount's you know it will allow the technology that we all a lot of the technology we have in terms of algorithms are working relatively low stakes. Environments are for instance. The autocorrect on your phone. You know it probably is probably helpful. A lot of time occasionally gives you a really weird thing very strange very strange thing but at the the worst case scenario that it gives you a very strange suggestion for a word and you're annoyed and you have to believe in type it out yourself if someone if someone's life was the line based upon Arna autocorrect We'd be a little scary. Maybe you like your social life is on the line. Let's say the wrong thing. If you really did mean to say duck you know then. It translates the wrong way. Yeah you know it's really good that's true it's true at same time. We also say Dang Yada correct and recover from it but you're right but like like Lives on the line from something that was only as reliable as autocorrect. I think we'd we'd have a different view of the readiness of the technology. And that's and not that. That's a little parallel to what happened with autonomous cars. But it just shows that the companies who are who are trying to develop them who have to end are hitting safety very seriously and that could be a very long time before we get that really WanNa take could be decades but is again this. Twenty fifty eight twenty. Yeah so that's that's not. That's not crazy totally viable view of the future. And and what do you think of the the intent behind Robo this idea of collecting our data curing our choices as a result. Does this feel like Somebody's got this ambition for sure. Oh sure I mean like I I mean I I would be lying if I said I didn't have an ambition like that at some point I mean like I think I think that you could totally see someone with the with the means and the particular skill expertise to actually try to implement it so on a couple of things about rehoboth in terms of how I look at it in terms. Realism the idea of collecting a whole bunch of data and processing it and trying to predict what's What people will do end or what to what to do in response? Yeah that's totally a Reasonable ambition and within theoretically what a technology could do with with with existing artificial intelligence and machine learning. I mean we all different components. You know several than we actually do today right. I mean any time. Go on Amazon and you WANNA buy something. It'll say you know people like you also wanted by this right. That's an algorithm that's pointing a whole bunch of data. Say trying to correlate that purchase. You made to what other purchasers you might. WanNa make right. So that part is Israel. We also have We also have things like like deep mind the company deep mine. Who makes things like the the Alpha go the go playing algorithms right at play Go or starcraft. So you'll have computers that will generate strategies in a more limited context. But that's but that's not I mean that's not a crazy thing I mean we use that sometimes in legged robotics too so the thing. That would be tricky. Is that one. You're taking data from all over the world and you're not only trying to analyze need and try and make predictions about risk and things that are going to happen. you're also directing presumably. What people should do as a consequence and And driving all of humanity into some new gene right. They had to basically transform their society. It seems to combat the climate crisis what they applied right right the Liam said basically Liam is being publicly credited for for for solving the world's climate crisis via strategy so in order to do that presumably they the our them said Oh. We should invest in this industry. We should make people do this or have this kind of social reconstruction here and you're driving humanity until completely different state for which you don't really have data so you have to be able to make really good predictions about how society would behave in a completely different state while having prior data to know what would happen. And that would be like the biggest to me. Sticking point of technology like rehoboth where it's literally trying to reshape society based upon the data. It has seen you called really good shot. I think with wafers. And I I would love to know. If you've got a prediction for how this is going to factor into the game of the season. Dolores is very fixated on insight and Rogo him what she walked with what she gonNa do with it. Yeah there's a lot of hard for me to read like deloris beyond the obvious that she wants her over her fast dress. Changing was just absolutely fabulous the obvious upright and surface level stuff that you just enjoy the premier league has a thrill ride. Did you think that they did an effective job on that front overall? I did I think that We can talk about this. Maybe in more detail but like so. I went back from watch. The Premiere Season One as well. And I still think to me that stands out as one of my favorites sequences in the whole show when they're introducing the Laura's in Teddy as these automatons in their loop in the westworld and it was really engaging I got exactly what the world was about from that. And the this premier and contacting in contrast it's basically a horror movie where Where is the movie monster who kills that? Guy's name the German ready. I believe readies. Leeann actress Thomas Krishnan. If you're a marvel guy he was baron Vaughn structure in avengers age of ultra thought. I recognize got it and he was in the in the in the in the Post Pratt sequence of the first event yet I remember look once again getting too close to the robots. Yeah it seems to backfire right right so there were there were lots of parallels also for some reason just me pink men again a world where he can't pay his medical bills to a life of crime or so so The what was I was. I was talking about The BROUSSEAU Starts OFF THE HORROR? Sequence of floors comes in murders. That guy gets Ronnie and she kind of monologues like her. You know her part of her plan right. So I'm like. Is this the Wyatt character? By the way is this the Wyatt Personality Circuit? She had said in season two that she has the farm girl. She has the farmer's daughter. Dolores has Wyatt. Who's the killer and now? She's like incorporating those identities to to her own path so. This is a long winded way that I enjoyed it overall. One thing I. I'm curious to learn more about like what makes these characters tick. Even though I theoretically should know that that's looking more for for two more in the season like I know that Dolores was the dominate. The world. I know that she Wants to She's she's a bad ass. She can kill people and she she is. She is coach taste in dresses. I and she said what they got like that. She said that she said to Victor Van Straten or whatever. His name was That we all have our weaknesses. Yeah I'm curious. What hers is I don't know if it's something that we've already seen a lot of Ano- that teddy was scared of her last season. Yeah I think that her weakness is she's a little black and white and her thinking right like she's like it's US versus them rights and I think that introducing the Caleb character into the mix is meant to challenge that that meant to challenge her notion of actually humanity may have potential. Actually humans aren't all just the people who came to Westworld that that will be great. That's the stuff I'll be looking forward to more in the season. 'cause like an opening sequence of. Westworld like I I. I feel like I got that. Here's Teddy here is into Lawrence. You know there are these Naive creatures taught. They're they're caught in this loop but they're gonNA stroke slowly realized that you know that that they're basically just being objectified birthday. They have no. They're being being. You're being used as like an I felt for them in that moment. I think that will start to feel more as I feel more for the characters going on. I think will be even more engaged. I think that no moment made me laugh. More though at the end in any laugh in a good way I feel when they feel unveiled the Nazi occupation of star cackling. I'm like okay. That was the most fun I felt I had. During the episode is the people do not open the Ark of the Covenant and get their faces melted off in a future of West road then. I think that they really didn't do their jobs. Yes so so so I I enjoyed it overall. I think it was a lot of setup and that they had to do which makes sense. 'cause they have a whole new world to do? I'm I look forward to the emotional payoffs that come. That's waiting for right so so back back on that point of what you think Dolores might want out of insight like given what roebling was was created to do. How does that intersect with Lawrence's kind of idea of dominion over mankind? How could this be useful in that pursuit? And can you see a way of connecting that to the waivers? I mean I think that the the the obvious way which is designed to give people their path a path for everyone right and she's GonNa hijack that path to be about Being gory onto the robots and that that would be the obvious way to go in that she could redirect off. Manitou toward you know. Glorifying the robots and Georgia's self extinct and that in that That self extinction would not be crazy. Either way the hind source set that up with what who again the the German? Man Friedrich your. They've get invited by Victor. Von Stuck her you gave him of what's Go- With Friedrich von Cedric Right now. Cwc Steve The skull. Steve See so So like she didn't Hell Steve. Just let Steve Connector. Her obscene had his nature just like human nature and in extinct it himself so that was like a chicken flying the coop but chickens coming home to roost. Straight way in a way where like they reference the. It was an accident that happened in a similar manner and this has been self extinct himself in a way that echoes passed. So very thematically you can see how that's that's that's Etching onto this idea of were doomed to repeat our mistakes right so. That's an obvious way. I mean it. Also there's like there's even worse. General had things that she she needs weapons in the war against the humans and she got her money she got it from Steve and she also got a now now. She gets the ability to predict even better. What all humans going to do in the world right? I mean that's that's a really obvious way. But that's too general. I think he's going to be something very specific. And I think it's going to have to do with hijacking the waivers to make in that part of the brain that she said of the the nucleus accumbens rod is. It's accurate that in in in that character so you you talked about wanting to see like the emotional payoffs this season And this is from just Joe. Have you ever noticed anyone having an emotional attachment to robots? You've worked on if not I'm wondering what stage with that happened. And would it be based purely on appearance or behavior or both so? That's a great question. I get that in tours and people surprised by the answer. I mean like like I don't have an emotional attachment to the robots and most of the people that work really closely with them. I don't either. I don't call Cassius. She I call it knit and when it's walking around and it pays in Weird Way. I I I more think of it as a manifestation of the programming that either me or my colleagues put into it and we're trying to decipher it with. It's more like a mechanism written in code to me than a living creature. That's with a with a behavior an intent now people who come in and see Cassie for first time shortly Robot there many other robots out there like when they were of you. See some of those cool. Boston dynamics videos online those of the robots that jump around duparc core the they see something that has an intent and think of it as like a creature almost and I think that the closer you get to work on these things in the morning understand. What's under the hood? The more the more it's it's not something that's Atomic time in something that the is more something that can be understood so as In that we can really cruel ways in the show like. We saw the chop shop people where they called The butchers butchers all right. So like like they call them the butchers. And like you know they have no like revulsion even though they're kind of torn apart human innards in a way because they they see what it's made of it's not human to them right arm so yeah so so overall. I mean so. We'll but what would it take to have an emotional connection to it? I think that like if my cassie suddenly stood up it's like Christian Haven't seen you. You've been so violating socially dissipate for me. How's it going? I know it's been tough Karan's I would have reaction to that for sure. It certainly developing. Something's going on here. I just a baseball Bat Smash Smash Burger Gill for the audience. Member interest always members. Who who are curious like such such a thing is not a realistic box. And they'll even just in terms of like the coding itself just like I try to the way. I tried to explain. The coating to people is because it's all like this weird blackbox to you if you have never seen inside of what went on in the code it could be the most complicated thing on the planet. It's actually probably. I'll watch simpler than you might expect. And in what? I try to help people that you could take the album that we use to run something like our robots and you could make the algorithm work in excel like spreadsheet. Yes the bunch of kind of like numerical equations all in a row and so so the software that does your taxes is probably know theoretically less complicated or likely come self aware than the robots. You'RE GONNA see on Youtube or things like that just just in case people who some people do get scared about that sort of thing but yeah definitely no vocal box. Either Josh I but but there is a speaker is a speaker on their own and the fun things we like to think about our like or giving it fun phrases when it comes online Like we could do the about afraid. I'm afraid I can't do that. Like they did in the news episode by the way I mean if cassie started calling you a David maybe you would be pretty tricky. Yeah call whole lab a whole bunch of date. It's all budget David's program. Cassie to speak with the Voice of Natalie Cole. 'cause that'd be great. That would be awesome and I think a good idea. Just jot that down. If you want to take a quick second this leads nicely into something from hardrock. Hope says Christian. Can you talk about how much of this kind of tech already exists? Do Alexa devices which I'm scared of all talk to each other through a Mesh network so just while we're on the subject of of speakers and things like that and how last season introduced this idea of May being able to manipulate the Mesh network but even beyond that like just this Mesh Network existing. Where wirelessly all? These devices are communicating with one another. Is that pretty legit? Or is it dramatize for Westworld in significantly? I mean honestly. It doesn't look to me any different than what we have right now. It doesn't look like anything to me. The like what you know. The guy is talking to his computer to Speaker and you know it could turn up the again the the flames on on the outside of this. House. I mean that's no different than turning up the lights in your house right like it to me it. Basically I didn't see nothing really much different than contemporary technology. There okay. The only the only difference was that like it had environmental controls to the point where like carbon monoxide or. No was the fire. The fire right that was carbon trading carbon monoxide. Right now but yeah. That's so that's that's quite realistic. Defect that it says. I'm afraid I can't do that. It was a little little on the nose for me for sci-fi reference. But you know I can tolerate it for fifty eight not in space. I see exactly exactly. And so yeah. I can't think of anything that anything. That's particularly scary or interesting. Did I'm really the big one was like these? These sort of like Orgy parties that they're going to like these strange underground art parties that they're going to as a very socially anxious person. I'm I'm sad that these still exist. What would I miss this? Caleb is going. He's got the Rico assignments like this one guy and you gotta come by. Yeah I was. I was thinking about Steve's house at the beginning of the episode for instance the technology. That's all quite real. I mean I mean basically that That that that after that that's no different than like tackle or whatever on US tackle small Nelson you mentioned nest. I mean I've my apartment is loaded up with it. We've GOT THAT FOR SMOKE DETECTORS. We have that controlling our temperature so dolores could come here and bake this apartment very hot very very quickly and that speaks to the need for like emergency overrides. That are not just completely like. Please let me out. Now I can't do that. Did you have some kind of mechanical? Failsafe right That's that's that's important. You don't need to even think about like a malevolent force trying to kill. Kill you in your home. I mean mean software. We try to make as reliable as possible. But we don't want to be completely reliant upon software always working to make sure that we're safe fire hazard alone What would be a good reason to have a way to override the doors mechanically? I'm a physical lacks that you could undo and get out of the house This is from Winston. How's your understanding of hosts and robots strength evolved over the series in other series like blade runner? Terminator robots are able to bend metal frames lift multi objects etc generally. We have not seen many the hosts doing this but could other robots calebs partner. George do these things given that? He is designed for industrial applications. Just their strength depend more on their power source or the composition of the materials that they are made from so. That's a great question so starting with the hosts what's interesting about the host is that they're very clearly some kind of biological material and in in in what seems indistinguishable from human by the biological materials like skin and muscle which is interesting to me because they seem super strong so do they have the same basically muscle materials that that we would have in our bodies maybe they are more aggressive about activating them. We know we have muscle activation that we have or they're superfit. Someone's GonNa teach me that. Yeah that would be useful. I wish I could just activate them like that so I don't be modest you have. Your triceps are ripped if I recall. I was working at the time. I wish released footage of Christian arm-wrestling at on survivor. David versus Goliath and spoiler alert. I handle he lost like junking me like with zero effort whatsoever. I just been doing like tricep tips for like seventeen years in a row. I think the what about five months before I went on the show is when I think about the first phone call that they were interested. I think from that day onward. I was trying to work out just like like the word down on you. Doing tricep dip just like every single scene is just cutting you doing tricep tips. Yeah I mean I. I think that the villa gin gang would do a much. Better job cutting. Legal the limit as you're just doing triceps over and over again exactly triceps or sick talking about muscle activation muscle activation the so. I saw him curiously. Do they have different muscle materials? That allow them to be stronger like like. How strong are they? I mean I think that if I had to guess they are. Basically normal people that that they're able to activate their muscles in more in a more efficient and optimized fashion to to basically be extremely like they go from the extremely fit athletes so they go from being normal people than all of a sudden. It's like they're ninjas you know it feels like which is not crazy now in terms of being stronger the the core question is like what makes something strong and the first part is the actuators actuator. There are a couple things like in humans are actuators our muscles. They're the things that do action on the world can push on things they produce force. We can lift things which is doing work in robot. You often had electric motors or wooded appears with George or whatever model robot. I believe. He's a Delo spilt robot. I believe it is a little Dallas logo on Is probably hydraulic. So I think if you look at one of those construction material. There's cats that will that will construction Vehicle that will pick up dirt in like backhoe that's where boy for a backhoe that's going to be more of a that's GonNa be a hydraulic device in hydraulics are extremely powerful. You'll lot of force out at them. But they take comparatively a good bit of energy to us. They took a good bit of battery power. And that's something. That's I think another thing that's under appreciated about robots is that they are energy hawks the a lot of power to run. So if you have something like George has to handle I guess whole whole day on a construction site and doing lots of heavy lifting and stuff like that clearly. They figured out some way to make hydraulics either. Pretty efficient or a very very very large energy source are very good. At like maybe awesome. Batteries will be my guest in order to be able to make George function so Joseph. Like a nine to five then. He's probably charging up for the rest of that time. My guess would be that. That'd be that'd be the A so. What makes it strong? It's the actuators. George probably hydraulically actuated. The hosts are muscle actuated and the response weaknesses. Two different kinds of actuation. You can get tons of force and power out of out of out of a hydraulic actuator. Electric Motors can be pretty efficient. And in in certain ways they can spin up really fast. They have their own advantages Humans are just very. We are very efficient compared to robots in the satellite. I like to put I point out. That are walking. Robots that walk around there are bipeds like the ones that are human sized and welcome to legs the most efficient one of those takes five times the energy. It takes a person to walk five times while so like if a if a human running on gasoline and they were a hundred miles on a gallon car. A robot will be a twenty mile per gallon car. That's the that's the gap inefficiency so so one big thing that the westworld somehow sweep under the rug are the energy sources of these robots and even the host if the host or muscle power Josh. We're muscle powered what what powers your muscles The pizza the pizza the pizza powers muscles. So does that mean the westwood robots at the eat I know and then what what? What do they do with the food? I you know I hesitate to guess what happens to the food there afterwards but like it's seemingly implied that I would guess that they probably I don't know if they get because mimic the reality right of when when guests come to westworld you see them like pounding shots of of stuff you know so it would make sense that like if you wanted to go off if you went to West rolled and your quest was to just like have a nice date you know with with with a with a robot you take them out for a steak dinner be awkward. The robot wasn't eating steak dinner so insurance being that they're probably just doing that stuff anyway. That's true I haven't seen a scene where like we show. How like the power themselves right now. Like the never see them. Recharging charging port or anything like that But sometime we don't see them on their own eating steak dinner on their own to keep themselves powered up right and so that would be something that frankly would they can build around that That would not be. That would not be crazy. This unladen there were. Were someone visiting the park. Like is giving a tour. Vip robots eat as they need their power like anything else. That's where our food that's where power comes from but it's it's more. I think that it's more like I think. As soon as they get their power and they don't need to worry about where it comes from like. Maybe there's a lot but as far as we can tell the only difference biologically between those host and a person is at the host of a little girl in their brain right and so there are power source in. There is what we're wondering. Yeah I'm wondering if there's a little battery without that'd be crazy if you have like both like awesome super awesome computer and battery in that tiny space. Right presumably could be recharged by food. But that's one thing that A lot not not westworld most sci-fi having to do with robots doesn't really think about like. Are they powering? These things because there isn't really like an elegant glamorous solution to that question. Right that you can easily dramatize it. But you don't even need to Rama ties. It could be a throwaway lines like. Oh Yeah you know. The battery will last blank long so now that now that status in the world and that in some better. Sifi in my opinion will use those details as interesting plot devices. Right Delors has to get from here to there. But look she's only got She got ticking. Which served your battery running out In this case That's so that's that's one thing. I can think about in terms of their actuation potential themselves. I'm guessing the all right Christian. I think people are going to be very thrilled with the. You've grounded are are grounded future in ground nece with with all of your your points this week and anything else that you would like to ground in reality for us from Westworld so I have to reiterate how much overall what I'm thinking about what I see on the show. I mostly like really impressed like like. I'm the clearly put their homework into making things. Feel grounded and there's one thing actually like I was. I went back and rewatch some season. Two and was reminding so I was reminded by some other stuff that was. Like shockingly Kinda real to me even like sort of the speculative Sifi so at the end of last season Josh. I remember when I was in some kind of simulation world right. I remember yes. And she's reading the books of all the people right by the that they decoded the host turned the corner of the guests right right or decoding the guest and in the big takeaway that I believe that the Delo son or whatever it was talking about the you know that he was saying indunas monologue about what they were doing is that they found out that you know people you know. Humans are quite simple or whatever you know like. We thought that we weren't. We weren't complicated enough but in fact we were. We thought they were. We thought they are more complicated in the actually. The key was that simplicity. And they're like ten thousand lines of code the simple algorithm that we that we were now. That's of course. All speculative fiction because mapping human brain mapping behavior and how people behave really complicated ongoing science but it actually had interesting parallels to other things that happened in the past so You might remember something. Called the Human Genome Project. Of course you so something from the nineties. I think wrapped up in the early. Two thousands mapping out all human genes. Because THEY WANNA see how complex the human genome wise. And we kind of assume that you know that you know. We're really complicated. Look all the complicated stuff in our bodies. All the ways that we work we have hundreds of thousands of genes that encode all these things and we went and mapped the human genome and turns out about twenty thousand. Twenty thousand a lot simpler than we assumed because my understanding of it again. I'm not an expert in. I'm not. I'm not a genetics expert. Reading this is my understanding of it. What we should get my dad on the on the podcast. The great geneticist like a winkler. But I feel like he would say something very insensitive about the show and I don't WanNa put I I can't get my father cancelled the year. Two Thousand Twenty questions for him. Just let me know. We'll we'll we'll throughout the genetics feedback to Dr Winkler in the podcast awesome. I love to hear his take on the on. The history of this cards call do a conference call. Yeah that's good offline the idea would be that That we kind of fundamentally like wrong view on some level of what? Dna Did we saw that the DNA isn't like a big of a blueprint of how were put together as people when it just builds blueprint is really kind of a series of instructions a simple algorithm if you will for how to for how to build proteins. Yeah so it again. I'm not an expert. So I apologize to anybody. Microbiologist that's not listening or not so the point wise that we kind of missed on we we we had the correct or understanding that like DNA was kind of like an algorithm is building stuff and not laying out our entire bodies so like being much simpler than we expected so the idea of people in our in our very complicated brains and we have a super complicated brain really. We can be boiled down to about ten thousand lines of code very interesting. And it's very interesting. Provocative way to to build a little bit of speculative science fiction. So I love that I for the perspectives of the perspective of the show would posit that as like an a- deliberately cynical view of humankind that maps onto the deliberately cynical view of human kind seen throughout the rest of the show but but to me the existence of the Aaron Paul Characters. This season suggests A. He'll turn that argument that they are going to slowly tried to build the case for baby baby. Humans as a species are dangerous and overall bad but they're individuals who are who are capable of goodness. They're individuals who have their strengths. Who are who are filled with value. How do you? How do you map that idea of them like arguing for like the simplicity of the human mind even just a few simple lines of code onto what seems to be a turning of the argument that that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world? That's exactly how I wouldn't Terp it. What you're what you're building up to. Their which is even if we could be simplified down to ten thousand lines of code it looks something even the even if the mechanisms by which we operate our simple that doesn't make our world any less complex and interesting when we're interacting with each other. That doesn't make us any less valuable just because were simpler and if that's the way the show is building. I think how I would actually kind of agree with that message. In that that that the world can be simple our existence can be comparatively simple but no less fulfilling or interesting or or meritorious beautiful. Yeah Oh my Gosh Christian anything else from West Road You WanNa talk about before I make you talk to me about survivor for ten minutes. Unless Jeff probst and I'm Chris and I am going to be. I'm not coming down from the perch until you talk to me about survivor as I want you to so I just leave the thread dangling too much. It did detangle a little bit. Medieval Music History. And unbidden that also. So yeah so like I medieval music history Wanda off coming anytime soon. I'm sure it'd be extremely popular winner for short the end. I mean like I just came back to me because in college I minored in music and so one of the courses I had to take Decided to take was evil music history. What's your what's your instrument clarinet. Okay so so so I yeah. So and and An took video music history. That's like a chance and I remember one thing I have to do would i? Is You have listening exams in in music history classes music history class a problem with taking a a listening exam where where you are given a repertoire to listen to take home like on a CD of time they weren't on a C. Bread and And you go into class at day and you listen to a small clip of it Of of the music and you have identify it so I so when I am looking up the the Parsley dominate. And he came up that. Oh and say you know I? It's basically a chance. It's kind of Gregorian chant medieval music as well. Okay I'll look up the lyrics for it and it's like two lines law yes like okay. Oh God spare us. Please don't be too mad at us. Like the two lines of the of thing and it's an entire four five minute song fits very neatly with what you're thematically interested in with the what what the show might be medically all actually. It's a good point so I was like really Howard. Two words to Chew Chew Sentences. Be Five minutes hawks. Well IN LOUISVILLE. History learned that actually. That's quite verbose. I remember there were for the music. Listen for listening exam there were. There were lots of songs too which sounded very similar. One was Pronouncing just one word. It was Ali Luhya for six minutes and the other one was very similar word and the way those songs go is Ali. Louis you the first six five and a half minutes is And then lay Luhyas last thirty seconds. When's off all over all over the place? Right and there was one song had And the only difference between that and the other song is the other the other song pronounce the syllable off and I remember. I spent a whole night listening to those two songs over and over and over again trying to distinguish between the and the aw six minutes into the point where I every single little inflection of the song so it identified on the exam. So I'm like not so so seeing all the Gregorian chant back in my life I was like. Oh that takes me back back to my days. Were the memorize these old Gregorian chance so that was fun? The Gregorian Chant Wanda writes itself. Then because it's just six minutes of Wa thirty seconds of Shirk that's exactly that would fit right in into medieval time period. Exactly so that that was my. That's my my my matching with medieval music. Right all right That's going to do it on West road talk here so if that's all you're here for we're going to wrap it right there. We'll be back on Monday. Morning with recap between myself and Joe Garfield talking about episode to Christian any predictions for episode to anything that you're excited about. Seeing more of the world that is I can only say it is not called Nazi world. But I'm sure you're interested in finding out more. I hear it's called war world. That's the room were rumors world. We'RE OKAY. It's rumor that news the word on the street yet here. I am good track record of predicting them. I remember emily and I predicted shogun world and the Rosh. I was very proud of the Rosh that we asked you. We're I I was trying to like Ryan World but the problem is not so. I'm most curious to find out what the name of that world is. Because I was because I couldn't find a good one because it's like well Ryan World but not in Germany France probably in like towards vichy France so BBC World Vichy worlds. Very strange sounding. So I don't know what's going to be okay all right. We'll find soon enough. Joe And I will be talking about westworld season three episode to come your way Monday morning. Christian. Thank you for all of the great insight into insight and everything beyond that and now if you all want to bail feel free to bail otherwise. I assume winters at were rooting for your boy. Nick course course gotta root for him so so I hope. Hopefully he he. He have to root for Nick but heading into winners at war who are some of the legends that you were back on the show. Honestly I love to see you all. I Love C. O. Back he's you know he'd be a person that I would love to. Just sit down and talk to over coffee or something like that. It is take on things. And he each kind of silent assassin. So will That's how I remember him so I hope hopefully you can see that party. You'll like throughout the whole rest of the season and I I cannot love how funny Tyson is. He seems like fun guy. So yeah. There's there's there's a couple of people interested All right we will be back with more westworld coverage next week Christian working working. The people find you on Internet's so if you're looking for me and you can find me on on twitter and instagram mostly twitter at at Sea Hubadoo at C. H. U. B. I. C. K. IR Kubicki. Which is. That's how I to younger brother. Now what's going on twitter and if you find out more about what I do look me up on Christian Vicky DOT com. Did you see star? Wars the rise of skywalker. Speaking of wikipedia. I did our meal. Want me to put you on the spotlight. This divisive topic. It isn't the topic and things to worry about now so you. You can't just let a an opinion of star. Wars rise of skywalker exist without slings and arrows. Then I understand that. It's it's funny on twitter. The twitter algorithms like they have the twitter topics They changed over from previous stuff. It it's all I get my twitter topic stuff are like hot takes about star wars so I see that that's all even though I wanna get like Arana Virus News Ryan they abandoned. It's like it's really interesting to see how they how much they crammed into one movie that he tried to finish a lot of stuff to introduce our things and finish a lot of things in one movie and that that's tricky to do so. We'll see we'll see I haven't seen the mantle Laurean I hear good things out to watch the mandatory although Lawrence Superfund Okay. I'll try to spring for Disney plus some sports bringing for. It's it's a really good show. Really really superfund have you. Have you heard anything about it? I know baby because because I exist on planet earth I know baby baby yoga so I mean like the overall my my take on popular media. I mean I can like just about anything I tend to give a lot of credit to shows that are more like at least have some ambition to them like it's like a a show that has some ambition that make quite may falter on the execution bit. We'll have my. We'll have my more than a show. That's Kinda like trying to play it safe. Sure so like. So what's will for instance taking all these kind of like talking about spree hetty topics like are we living simulations where the things you know. I I can forgive minor flaws in the show. That's if it goes through that sort of thing swinging for the fences swinging for the fences. I always give credit in my classes to like if if students we as a final project with a swinging for the fences but doesn't quite work out. I give them credit so So Amanda Laurie and the idea of kind of following around this one bounty hunter seems like a neat and small scale story that could get behind him in the Big Fast Star Wars Universe that sound. That sounds fun. If the kind of a star wars e glossed up a big budget looking version of like Hercules and Xena like he kind of has that spirit of like like adventure of the week to a certain degree at a certain point and that is not an insult you know. This is coming from somebody who loved that shit growing up. That's awesome. That's awesome. I mean and and an like if you if you want to know like what like really tickles me like what show. I really just like gets me. I Love Better Call Saul. Oh Wow okay cool. I Love Better Call Saul. You talked about it. I talk about ambition in story telling I the fact that they'll make a riveting scene where I'm on. The edge of my seat is about like renewing malpractice. Insurance right is like aw gotta I love it in like I don't want to spoil. What's happening was recent episode. That came on but like there's a scene with one character and that character's boss which was really tense for me at Just one boss look saying. Hey I think you'd buy something improper here and And in the employee being like I don't know what you're talking about and like I was like almost in hives like an hour later so I was texting. No No. It's like the fact that they managed to put that much emotional investment and into into what would otherwise be a really dry plotline. I really admire Christian. We do better call Saul podcasts. Here on post show recaps This is your official invitation to join us after the season ends so we can do a look back on season five and a look ahead towards the final season of better call Saul. Oh hit me up Josh Amazing Okay? That's a great tease Christian. Hopefully we'll have you back on for some more westworld chatter throughout the season to that sounds fun as well so anyway thank you. Thank you all for listening. I appreciate it. I hope people. Hopefully you learn something. I hope I tell you something you didn't already know. Nobody knew the thing about the Gregorian chants everything else. I think we had on on lockdown on lockdown. Okay yes I think I figured as much Chris just a pleasure to get to talk to you again in this capacity. I've been very honored to have you as a friend of my life for the last little while but the fact that it's taken this long to get on a microphone together is ridiculous and silly. I'm glad we managed to break this Cold Street Adelaide just in and really reconnects over microphone. Yes all right and maybe some day. I'll release the snyder cut. A I went out which includes us arm wrestling. I still have some. You got released. Unreleased decided like I can't I? It's too mortifying I've literally lost every single person single human being. You're mortified he like you have. I don't know how long that interview was In reality but like I was on lockdown for days without the ability to talk so I can't imagine everything that I said to you during that period of time my God longest interview of the session of the U. exceeded an hour. I believe eating but but in in your defense it also started pouring rain in the middle of our interview to the point. Where like I had to completely like panicked Louis Reset my my whole set because Speaking of the destruction of technology is raining from high above. We had to scramble with you as my my suddenly. You're both like my assistant producer and my interview subject as we scrambled to like stuff. The microphone underneath the infamous table. We were going the pictures of everybody you and I were both holding an umbrella together. There was nobody in that moment though that I would have preferred to be in such strange conditions with a real trooper. It's really actually no surprise that you were able to sneak me a secret message given the panic that I was feeling in that moment. Yeah I had all the advantages in that moment. Though that that was that was that was certainly very memorable and And I'm I'm glad we got to share that time. I was looking forward to that interview. That entire pre-game uh season. I one thing I will say to the survivor. Fans at this point like It might not have known like so. You gave a puzzle to all of us to get a puzzle which she no one figured out the puzzle so I gave everybody a minute to. It was a four piece puzzle and you had to assemble these pieces into capital. Not and it was. It was carved out by my father-in-law the Great Dave Fox and with a minute on the clock. No one was able to figure it out. Yeah it was an. I'll tell you that really got my head Josh yet in the pre game and I remember I actually wrote in my like notebook I talked to you like basically the day or so before. We actually were marooned on the island and I was like. Oh no if. I'm no good in Puzzles. I to be useless to the tribe and I am sunk and so two days later in this puzzle. Come on I'm like I probably. I probably wildly we overcompensating for the puzzle. You gave me anyway you overcompensated but you did a great job. You made a long run so I don't feel like I got killed out there. No I'd like to think superpowers what I like to think. That's that seems fair. Takes Credit for all of your success. Go Right Ahead Josh. I'm going to go right ahead and do that. All right. We're GONNA go right ahead and call it on the podcast here. Thank you everybody for listening. We'll be back with everything's going on pusher recaps West Road Better Call Saul the lost podcast. Curb your enthusiasm. Almost over star. Trek Picard podcasts. Are you watching Star Trek Picard? I am not watching Star Trek. The Car Jessica lease who is co hosting with Mike Bloom. Her hot take is that it's the best star trek that has ever been. That is a hot hot. Take Indeed S. so maybe a trekkie. She loves the show. She loves the franchise. So it's not like I. This is my first instance with Star. Trek. And I'm saying this is the best so maybe bump it up on your queue here. Reicher makes pizza wearing a very. That's real haven't gotten that far but he did try cooking in Nexgen at one point. I I remember people liking it. So hopefully. He's he's gotten better in the intervening in time right. He's got a couple of decades. Cms aright Chris. We could talk forever. Let's just call it here. 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EP. 297 - Chris Aceto
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But you know sometimes. At the end of the day I'll reach for a perfect perfect Kito Bar. I'm still in Ketosis. I actually have the strips that you can pee on that they sell Through Perfect Kita was well go on their website and purchase them off there and I'm still he hostess and have been for a little while now so still feeling good still feeling strong everything's coming together training wise Strength feels like it's actually coming back up now that my body we as Kind of leveled often. I think it's you know it's because of nutrition it's because of Being motivated enough to kind of stay in the Diet and keep with the Diet which is usually the hardest part for people but a lot of the products over at Perfect Kito. I think They're not only going to help me. I think they'll help help you. So check out some of the stuff from perfect Kito they have actual kitone products that you can put into some of your drink. 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He's kind of a calorie derived guy He believes what he believes he's he's also like a lot of these people. That help with bodybuilding. A lot of them have like knowledge from bodybuilding and but Not many of them have gone to school and Ben Educated the way that KRISTA SAITO has so Let's see. I guess. Maybe like a little bit like Les Norton in a in a sense but also Chris has worked with you. Know some some of the cream of the crop of bodybuilding for the last Several decades gates Oh and then also He went out to golds gym venison. Kind of live that life for a while and Yeah so we're we're. We're really fortunate to have him on the show in. This is GonNa be really fun like I think when when people think of IFP pro bodybuilders like some of the greatest ones one thing that kept coming across in terms like the comments on videos. We're like like okay. So what was this person's protocol. What was this person? Protocol Moses Protocol. There wasn't like nutrition protocol or training is more. What was their truck protocol? And the interesting thing that I think Chris was like coming back it was like. That's not that like that's the smallest thing which is really interesting. Because even I wasn't like I didn't think that was the smallest thing. 'cause year about doc is going to do by and a bunch of crazy stuff to figure out what works best. So I'm really interested to see his take on that because these guys are massive he must I have a kind of a certain Genetic Profile you know in talking to Jay Cutler Jay Cutler said he was like a Chrissa Cassuto was the guy so he jay went to him and said like hey like what do you think. In Christmas. I agree like another another kid like bugging me. You know kind of things like I'll take a look at you and he was like it was like your people are right. You do have a lot of potential Is like if you can follow this diet. The next couple of months you know my turn in something so you know Jay Cutler being Jay Cutler he followed the Diet for six months and they saw each other again and Christina went. Holy Shit. You're going to win and Mr Olympia contest. Some day and Jay Cutler was like eighteen at the time or something like that so That that definitely doesn't have a lot to do with drugs. I mean I'm sure drugs Does I'm sure they play a of a role But percentage wise. It's probably probably more on. The outside is probably more of like a five percent. You know Difference because if you don't have that in you too I mean and you know you look at all the different people that you know. It's like who who do you know that can hold you know two hundred and forty forty two hundred and fifty pounds conditioned onstage and be a heavyweight professional bodybuilder even with drugs being involved like there's not a lot of people the real small amount of people that you can think of that you might know and it might not even be anybody because that's just a I mean look at like a Dexter Jackson you know or look at Jay. Cutler how bubbly and round these muscle belly lar- Jay Cutler being removed from bodybuilding bodybuilding for several years. Now in peace still looks jacked. He still looks big. I think he's like two fifty but he looks like he's like two eighty 'cause muscles. There's just so big you know while still two fifty. That's crazy a lot of guys end up like dropping a lot of weight now air we go all right. Can you see me here. We can see it and we can hear you and we're we're live. We're ready to dive in. Thank you so much for coming on the show and thanks so much for taking a short notice First thing I wanted to ask you is I wanted want to ask you a little bit about your thoughts on Kito Genyk style diet and also your thoughts on a lot of people are are doing like a carnivore style diet. What are some of your thoughts on those styles of diets have used those with anybody you work with or are you not a fan of them? And if so why I've never used them and I think that diets Elliott to like investment advice. I think that if you ask ten investors you know Gimme can best bets or give me a investment strategy. You'RE GONNA get ten different answers and the same thing with diets because you know every single person is different. Some people have an easy time getting lean. Some people. Don't thank you know there's a lot of factors in getting lane. It's it's it. Outside of Diet Causes Diet calories count carbs discount meal frequency counts outside a diet. Cardio counts. How hard you train? You know in hardest right. You can define hard right so many different ways. A lot of people say I trained hard. Didn't do they really train hard luck. People say they do cardio hard. They really do it hard so to answer specific diet question it. I mean I haven't used Akito Diet ever Abuse some variation of low carbs and I think low carbs works could people bowl and I mean by definition a low carb diet or Kito Diet is going to be looked at alary diet so calories do count onto large extent but to look for like the magic in some type of Macro profile is just you know barking up the wrong tree. I think looking for magic. It's really a reduction in overall food. Yeah absolutely What have you seen in terms of cardiovascular training because he was kind of a lot of people go back and forth on you know how much cardio somebody should do? And even if it's a worthy cause to implement quite a bit of cardio do use cardio with a lot of your clients Ideally in my mind say on paper in my mind I hate cardio because I think it's the Tiffosi of what you're trying to accomplish if you look at a Cardio Physique Somewhat long distance runner there the body fat click technically still be. They obviously don't have a hard luck. And they're spending spending a lot of calories. You know the distance runner. For example of mid distance runner So I believe that your metabolism with cardio can slow down just like it can well. It doesn't slow down but you become efficient at doing the numbers lie. You people like snapchat snapshot it just burnt eight hundred calories on a treadmill. They do that four days in a row in you know technically should be upon light on lighter right physique and change one bit so you know cardio It's a great tool to help. Keep the furnace going to help earn calories but I think people like everything take everything to access to. They think that more is better. More is better for some people. Fueled far between but I think they're too much cardio you know. It can interfere with how hard you can train which is not a good thing and it can also Effective as you think. And that's why you have people you know they say I didn't look good for this show where I didn't look good for this. I was doing you know hour in the morning in thirty minutes at night I could just kill ultimately trying to find out you know how much your own personal body can withstand. I think that's you know variable Botha person to person too because we all know people did two cardiac crazy Brecht and for them. It seems like they could do. The cardio in their body didn't become efficient at doing it. In other words you know you get on the cardio machine you do an hour and it says as you burn seven hundred they get burdened seven hundred where some evil you know over time you body adapts cardio exercise by being able to do it but burning less less energy would maybe recommend some amount of cardio to somebody who really struggles with the Diet side side of things maybe client the go ahead. I was GonNa say maybe you have a client that struggles to like really adhere to the Diet. Strictly I have everyone do cardio I just trying to find. find the sweet spot where we're not having to do too much and so I think cardio definitely helps you get leaner bought brought in terms of the. There's a fine line between you know how much is effective in. How much is too much but everyone I generally everyone help do cardio shore? As far as like the nutrition I guess goes for the bodybuilders. You work with. Is there a general thing you end up going for you mentioned like. You're you've been an advocate of low carbohydrate for the longest time but I guess like do you also help them in the off season when they're bulking and is there they're like do you have a different type of approach when you go with them in terms of the bulk versus. You know they're cutting. Yeah I mean if they're trying I don't fall. Oh to too many people in the off season okay because ultimately it's the fine tuning is the fine tuning right getting ready for show but off-season off-season sort of mostly oils down to eating more calories than you need protein to grow trading harden ultimately. Everyone gets fat anybody right. So do you monitoring other than their their body weight going up or them looking bigger. But in terms of monitoring bring them ultimately be monitoring monitoring them and saying they're garth point one hundred hundred ten kilograms hundred twelve hundred fourteen under fifty each increment up each kilogram two pounds up probably bigger but they're probably softer along the way too. So so I mean I don't follow too many people in the off season like it's mostly like bringing it down trying to reverse everything you can try to get laid without PA. Ah Park get lean without shrinking income. What are some of the extremes that you've seen with How people respond to food differently? Yeah you know you had somebody like Jay Cutler who is You know you shoveling down about a thousand cards a day and you might have somebody else on a twenty five grams of carbs CBS Per Day Protocol. What are some of the extremes that you've seen over the years just seeing like someone someone working with now I just realized like last night is a huge body and I literally driving from in place for another realize? You'RE GONNA have to starve him. You know because we're trying to do things like methodical trying to do things like it's not slow. The metabolism down and the like week is ticking by in the next week is ticket by and you know he's following things but he's not getting later life and yet I'm thinking driving Gosh this classic I just had when a show was eating. Would him you know and I'm struggling struggling with it to some degree in my mind and then I just realized you know you just dropped a nuclear bomb at some point. Join and say you know. Maybe he's gotTa go into full. Katose family brings a full circle. Maybe you've got to force it off off you know maybe you gotta this to drag it down with low calories low carbs the opposite of what you should be doing right to kill the metabolism. But you gotta get the fat often to answer your question. Different extremes on that would be an extreme. You know because you would think in. I hear that from people who People they say Christian. I'm working with this guy. He's really big. It seems like people who get a lot of muscle. The metabolism is not as fast as you think you know it. It's like while they're awake at all the way up there on calorie level in other words they didn't eat tons and tons to get up there but they grew and they even though they didn't get that fat to get lean and sometimes they have to just hammer it down on the red which you would think on. They got all that muscle. Aren't they all that muscle. They can eat a lot on the Diet. So that's an extreme you know as opposed to. Let's say the flip end Jay. Allison Art. What do you think about intermittent fasting? Is that something that you've ever used with people. I'm not used. It just comes up all the time people ask me everywhere all the time about it and I think it's probably a effective way to lose weight because it's a variables locale diet. You know what I mean. I made it insurance people a strict for some period of time. You know very strict obviously and then But that strict is broken up by you know not period. Where you're you know you're reading so oh it's got to be something to it because a lot of people most people ask me why in this because I'm doing it it's it's really works for me whereas other things people ask me about Nelson wideness ignorant? Just curious I tried. It did work like we had strategies or just odd strategies energies in the last ten years. So that's one that's come up people ask me and they tell me that work for them. You think In terms of standard bodybuilding body building though it may it may make more sense to consistently and constantly feed the body and feed the muscles. Yeah I think it still boils down to you. Know the six meals a day ob five or six meals a day Consistency of having and some type of low blood sugar but still stay you know stable low blood sugar carbs moderate moderate low. So you can still be Michael fat-burning zone because you calories low in your because carpenter not too high insulin levels too high. So ideally you could be burning constant protein intakes that you have a continual intake influx of amino acids. So that. Because you're on low calorie you don't go into our burning off muscle stage so I think it's tried and true. You know what I mean. Move it you know. It's it's it's been a for so long you know so. Many people have good results with David's. It's hard to fight with. How about like the the actual food that you know you have your bodybuilders folks on eating because I heard Jay mentioned that like he when he was working with you back in the day like he would just have numbers that you would tell him to have And he could like eat a donut or something. But he wouldn't he would make sure he stuck. Eating certain foods I prescribed from people like executives. act like when you're when you're eating and that's you you know one in a million Jay was eating and growing at the same time on thousand carp said when he was doing that people didn't believe even he didn't even tell them he was doing it because he didn't WanNa have to try to explain it or try to say but you can't I can but you can the ad but if you're eating a thousand carbs I mean I went through from the numbers because does it really matter I mean it. It's so bizarre. Anyway right if thousand so it's like six meals you know one hundred Meals like three cups of rice. Does it really mad if three strikes three cups One one cup of rice. I don't available. You know five grams of fat in the don't it. You know because the opposite of that with those big numbers such huge huge numbers is is that it's irrelevant as opposed to somebody who's eating hundred cards. They have in one donut in fifty carbs from rice. You know you can have carbs from sugaring carbs in eight one hundred cards. You have a hard time getting lean anyway yeah yeah with Jr.. Just throw a number since one fifty fifty one fifty one fifty works when it comes to having that amount. Mound carbohydrates What would you do at the facts? You know if you have somebody who is doing well with carbs y you know where where the fats up going. I I still follow up pretty low fat diet. You know And you know for contest for example And I feel like like really really low fat means you're down even faster but just really really low fat they get they get thin-looking string string you're looking you know what I mean like they don't have the density So I think in the last maybe ten years out probably moved away from Mike Super Low fat. Ah To life lower fat. If somebody has a hard time getting lean made you. Don't drag them get back down. One of the reasons just eliminate the fat on them if they have a hard time getting Lena's because when you like no fat Time you know what I mean. You're just like have not eaten taking and I'm still a big believer like if you feel like you're starving. You probably burning fat. You know what I mean. This is like I mean. I don't do anything active active partly acidic desk all day long and I don't need anything never hungry. You know what I mean. So it doesn't add up so the opposite is if you're starving you probably you know this fight indication that right at the demand bear so sometimes when you go like fish egg whites it's like eating levitz not uneven Reading like Rice or potato with you just starving all the time and sometimes when people starring upset. Okay that's a good sign to some degree it of trying to get lean you know what feeling star I guess. I'm wondering what I'm curious about this. Then he is. You've been doing this for a long time. And they're they're probably bobby. bodybuilders is like okay is there a way to mitigate this feeling of starvation. Like you're saying feeling like you're starving is a good thing. But they're probably some guys who are just like How can I make this easier as much as like? Maybe that should be the question. It's supposed to be hard. Are there any tactics that help guys get through this successfully but I guess not feel as Shitty. Yeah by also you know I mean you could eat tons of vegetables. I've had people like thraw almost into much lettuce sugar-free Jello it sick from that. Are I mean there's some supplements I think that you don't make you feel less starving. It'll do you know this is not too many ways around it that starving feeling. It's fine that we're talking about starving because it goes back to the guy who is like God. This can't get after them and today it was like I say some really hungry. It's like Gosh. Thank and I forgot about low-fat he's you know he's not like super low fat dietary fats. Maybe that's the next step down bike you know creating don't fullness in the stomach. The poor guy is going to end up with no food just from this podcast yet is a tough thing to deal with. Something that's helped me. mitigate You Know How hungry I get because I used to be three hundred thirty pounds in my pursuit for powerlifting and Just exercising. I mean as Shitty as that sounds to try to tell someone WHO's trying WANNA lose weight. It's like hey go exercise Do you ever do that with your people that you contests prepped. They work out multiple times a day. Sometimes I think people train sometimes training twice a day. Can you down faster than trading. If you can train hard twice not overtrained. That's the trick. It's exercising will of course change your brain chemistry so you're stimulating like endorphins. Shut you shot digestion. So you know what I mean. Sometimes starving feel like stomach suggestion itself. It was if you exercise people say like if I drink coffee you know Kind of changes it releases a little bit endorphins or like like federal products with these orphans or training force. You don't so that would work but but getting liaison it's not easy and that's why I respect the people. I work with design. I may be telling them to what to do but I'm not doing the work if you're starving it'll get as you know if you came from three thirty dollars is lot of deleting there's GonNa be a lot of time sweet it's not easy. It's always a mental i. I've noticed what you're talking about I. I've noticed that When I felt hungry I felt felt like I was burning fat? I really did. It felt that way and You know as I was coming down I was also every once in a while would make the mistake. 'cause I got so used nice to it I was like oh well hungry being hungry and being like quote unquote starving is working great for me. So I'll just start a little bit more and then I got kind of like you were talking about kind of got stringy and I was like well. That's not really. That's not really the look I'm going for so it got to be hard to manage. But you know protein can be very satiated and and and You know diving into like two chicken breast or something as on appetizing as it is That can help Help you get past being super hungry. Sometimes Yep Generally opposed to carbohydrates amputating stimulator. You don't proteins Disintegrate Large neutralizer. So it made it goes back to like again you'll night lower carbs or even kill people. People may like Akito Diet because sometimes sometimes it's GonNa be less hungry than a diet that's not Kito high-protein will always make you less hungry than than with the call when you studied nutrition to chop guy. John Diets like high fat high sugar. Diet it's what they feed the rats to make them eat more more more just to study but what to eat it'll give them protein broken broken broken because nothing. That's like me. I think I'm like a rat and that's why I try to shy away from carbohydrates a little bit more because if I do eat them It stimulates something in me. Like I just WANNA eat more and more and next thing I know. My sweet potato has turned into Ben and Jerry's somehow it's funny. How people don't have appetites to hear that all the time? I don't have an appetite. It on in training. You know to get bigger. It's like I don't have an appetite. I've never had an issue issue with that big. You have to have an appetite to get ripped you after you let your mind. Override tight is anything anything help stimulate appetite. You did mention carbohydrate. Have you seen anything else. be effective help. Some people bulk up whether it be a drug or supplement or food back in the day only around people used to use cardiac them to to. You know there's some I know there's some which US totally But they know for sure there. There are Sarah Appetite like A. What's The disarming but a Andrew appetite stimulant what is it's like he's one of those things g. h. p. m. casick seven seven? Ib beauty more in go. The chemist experimentalist right and doesn't work irk absolutely it. I am one of those persons that didn't really have a huge appetite. And Yeah I experimented. Experimented with MK six seven seven and say MTA. Six seven seven. Yeah and it definitely helps. It doesn't help in my opinion as much as like the the message boards boards and forums will say you know. I think a lot of that is mental. Because they're taking something that's supposed to make you hungry and you know raise grill and level so they take it and then like Oh my God I'm ravenously hungry when I when I took it. The the biggest sign for me that it wasn't as powerful as I accidentally double dose myself was was awesome. SMART bad move but I did that and then I realized like wait. I'm not any hungrier than I was the day before my okay so like maybe it's more more mental but it. It absolutely does help because I would go from you know kind of dreading the next meal to kind of being pumped up excited like do like. I'm actually really going to enjoy this. Now Yeah Yeah. I'm curious about this too As far as because here bodybuilders the last generation say guys is. Don't work out as hard. I WanNa know your take on that but you think the way that a lot of bodybuilders look at nutrition now is not as disciplined disciplined or is not as good as the generations. Look at nutrition is there. Is there any do anything different in that sense. Well I think that the the I mean I think when it comes to the training part I think that defaulting machines played a big role in it. Just there is a difference. Between to bend over Rosen hamstring throws. I don't know why people do Amor strength. Anything back. Our Velzen dumbbells. I don't know why he goes. Use Machines Epitome Laziness it. I mean if I wasn't so lazy and hey training so much I've always had this idea of like wanting to to a before and after picture of myself with only using a bar so I'm thinking I could do squats. Let's do Show the press enterprise incline bench press. Just a bar. You know what I mean. I can do lots I could do. You could come up with a a million ways to bar and so I think the way body responds to machines versus free weights is different. It is weird to me when I see you know. I don't go to gyms TMZ lot but if I'm helping someone's haven't been town go. The gyms even tall machines Gotcha strange and then now you know with with so might be subject to that you know And then with the Diet Jay said something to me one day. These guys don't even cook their food and I'm Mike what do you mean. Now he's delivered so this like fake like I can't Aguado Kariya up in helping for maybe eleven years and he's he's eating six six to seven meals a day everyday Nebi five ever since the day. I met him so he was the New York pro that she has this uncalculated like the twenty five thousand meal. I'll say any always. He's never eaten a package meal ever. He's eating a restaurant meal always eating out before but not often but it's all cooked a Cuckoo Cuckoo cuckoo. So I mean that's just an interesting Jay. Where people you you know nutritionist? He was making the point. I think that Chris I control what I eat stat. Importantly I I WANNA see it to go I wanNA weigh. I want to make the Piano WanNa put on weight and rice of measure the rights of the potato. I'm GONNA EAT IT and the next meal whereas now is like you know. Pick pick up the phone and have some you know company delivered the six meals a day. There's nothing wrong with that but it's just a different it's different. I think it would be more with the training. I started more with the machines that I do it with nutrition. I think Inconvenience can make you a champion. You know like Jay Cutler used to Dr several hours to go. See you just to pose in front of you and then had back in his in his jeep right and freezes ass off. Everything's hard work you know and yeah you're right. You know he would do that and and you know he would you know he was committed. It was all in. That's the thing about J.. Is I mean any anyone who's a rises to that level. You've interview interview Jay. So you know he's a different breed. Yeah what are your thoughts on arms since we talked about it for a second there. I I don't I don't know much about him honestly. I know people laugh when they hear that because he thinks there's Chris people he's like chemist and you know I don't know much about them and even if I did Arnold was years intestine premio and other limp is used to the same think. Thank right now. In terms of what's tried and true. I think those things will crowd out the idea. Nia that psalms is something special. Tie this but it just went. Would you read prepare for Tests Primo our songs. And every every single person without even you know it was a okay with us it from thirty years as opposed to so. That's how you know which ones about And I WANNA know about this too then when you when you like look online and look at Youtube a lot now you see a lot of like youtubers talking about Oh this is my this my steroid stack and they have like literally. Just I don't know just a crazy amount of stuff that they're taking and they look variably average not even really that great right so people look at that and then they're like wow if this guy is taking all this stuff and and you got like look look at these Mr Olympia dudes. They must be on so many more things. But then I've heard conversations were like they're talking to like I really don't take that much stuff you know. And even their coaches doesn't take that much. So what is the difference there like. Why genetics okay well? It's genetics macgyver. Anthony the youtube rose one hundred and five pounds and taken that list of products. You know he can contribute it still not going to be even top ten and if he has crappy. Genetics in the national bodybuilding championships might be exaggerating to make a point whereas I mean you know. There's there's there is this idea that is versus somebody with great genetics. addicks taking one fifth of what this guy's doing and they're getting five hundred times better results. Is it because of his diet or training could be. But it's probably mostly genetics. You know I mean people ask me time. I want to be missile. You're not going to be restored. -Ympia you need an approach is not going to be Miss Olympia. You know. There's only a few people genetically who have structure of fullness shape. You know who who can win. You're more like a second tier pro. You know why because of genetics and in you know inevitably the conversation may circle around to what I wanted to push. The envelope. Said you'll be pushed the envelope and still be second tier. You know what I mean. You can't tell Desa Jackson competing thirty years like not genetically blessed In still when you know in for someone to think I would I would like to like us what he says you can you know. Oh you probably you know. It's not rocket science. You know I'm sure. He's you know using the basics in less than you think. Otherwise you wouldn't have Dylan Chevy S. How did he get somebody from good to great? I mean all things being equal you know I. I assume that everyone one steps on the Olympia stages is using similar tactics. But you took Sean Roden. I think from last place in the Mr Olympia to I like. How does the transition happening is it starts with the vision? It's a vision if you have the genetic you have to have a vision I I will you. I felt like when I was working with Jay. He could tell you I told them from like a kid. You Mr Olympia is eighteen or something. Yeah I pounded that his head. Why because I believed I told I don't think I'm I'm certainly sure? He didn't believe it but as he was going and started seeing some crazy changes got tremendous indus genetics Genetics again and then having people like you know when you're amateur flex wheel to save. You know you're going to be east something in this or you know what I mean. You start to internalize what people have been telling you and if you never internalize that vision. You'll never be Mr Olympia. You know you have have to. You have to internalize the idea that you can win. That show Tom And you have to obsess about it and you you have to. Every day be uncomfortable. I will knowing that Mr Olympia yet so that you can be you can get under your skin and drive you there and the irony of that is that I mean a when Sean J J Adam down That story or Jimmy Tell you the story is jade told. Sean spent a couple of hours one night like three in the morning in Germany at Amkor cafe or something John said Mr Monthly in place dropped ten eleven to dip is First Olympia and NJ set the vision for him that the new half to internalize the idea that I'm good enough to be Mr Olympia but just internalizing it. You know you gotTa Act on it at the same time so obviously you need to. Genetics obviously need to know how to do it. You have to know how went through the training to your body you know how to do the Diet. The body but ultimately bodybuilding is or not ultimately but a lot of success in in anything comes down to mindset and if you you have to have the Mr Olympia mindset in that mindset that is all encompassing you think really Elon. Musk has any life whatsoever. Outside of stressing. Tesla stock's GonNa go from two ninety to tend today or if he's going to deliver for Wall Street two hundred ninety three thousand trucks because if he delivers two hundred thousand stocks tank I mean does he really have any any relationships Company if the answer no he doesn't and that's the mindset to making this dream of building electric cars and laying it out lying laying it all on the line almost bankrupted and trying to make make gas using cars obsolete it's that mindset that you need everything to be like the best and that's what you need to be Mr Olympia. So that's why I respect every person's one Mr Olympia title. Because they're all genetics. I mean come on. Come on Colman's genetics during trained hardest. Genetics Sean genetics filled. Perhaps they easy a in genetics genetics. Meaning they all have what it takes but still to get to that level. Stay at that level. Is You know it's a vision. And his mental toughness. You know when you were talking about You mentioned Coleman right when you were working with Jay and Coleman was just winning one after the other after the other after the other you were talking about having a belief that you're Mr Lumpia. was there ever a time. Where are you were they were just like? How like? How can we beat this monster of a human or whistle just consistent belief no it was consistent belief because people forget that Jay Beadman Awan? I mean he didn't beat him to Oh six you know. They didn't hand him. The title Toe. Six Yeah I mean Coleman Ninety Eight Wins Ninety nine wins two thousand win so at this point. He's got three wins. It's not a lot. I mean it's a lot he's got three he's indestructible and all those winds. I kept on telling Jay it. Doesn't you still still GONNA get. This guy is still going to be army. And I think it was in two thousand on the tour after the Olympia of J. competed With Coleman second second him and I I personally felt at at least one of those shows. Jay could've walked. You know it was the idea. Of like Ron Coleman Jay Cutler judges perspective is still like moat running Mr Olympia. Thirty three times jake. Our backstage at one shown said I had a disposable missile Kodak Camera With Coleman I took it I have it still and I he he said. Why don't you take that picture I just wanted to document it for you that this was the last time writing with j just ran with that. He said that's it he had already won on. Let's see he took a whole year off and get ready for the old one Olympia and the you know that was the first time you let. It was two days. Unfortunately but the prejudging went down and looked to be like J.. One Energy look at judges scores J only get one second place prejudging it on first place votes show so already taken down quickly people forget but he already beaten them early early in the career. It's just that the what happened. Coleman went the next year up another level and then you took Jada two thousand six awesome. How how much do you have to cultivate this championship? Mindset with some of the guys is some some of them have it kind kind of already or do you have to. I mean that must be a big part of your coaching. Because Yeah it's GONNA come down to like the calories and it's going to come down to training and drugs and genetics addicts and a lot of things but this mindset must be something that you must communicate a lot to these athletes right push people a lot and and inasmuch as I don't push like the championship mindset. I always remind people like this guy's real beatable. It's not as good as people think it's not as good as I think. I always try to put that into people's heads might might be helping. Who are trying to win? The I always told a great. You can win this show. I was sold. Who's environment you could win this? Show that Ben second ever be inflex but Tom if come close you know. Certainly Jose came very close to fifteen and two thousand fourteen auto cramped in close so I think those two people had any way you know what I mean they have that mandoline set but You know a lot of people you work with to they. They're inexperienced young so it takes. You can't just read it. Believe it or you can just hear it believe it. It takes time you know what I mean. You've got a lot of that. That mindset of courses created by how you respond not react but respond to losses you know some people respond to losses like okay. They they take. The loss is disappointing. That regroup you know they see if they can learn something from it and move on with other people's dislike the end of the the end of the world you know and the people who take a loss as it's the end of the world The never we're GONNA make it to the top and the irony is right. Cullman started in fifteenth place at the Olympia. J started fifty places Olympia and wrote in started on the top ten. It's funny that those guys rose to the top. Because if you'd ask when they get fifteen evening more comments on the Olympian people be like notes fifty you think Jake Notes House fifteen wrong. We can't bring up ten so it's interesting that those people obviously learn something nothing from those losses and so you can tell someone they can read it in a book but I think you know you Kinda Sorta have to have it. You know what I mean. You gotTa have that mentality. You probably learned it outside of something before you've Bodybuilding you know. Jay learned it from work. I family and construction is ground into the grinding ground. Him made him grind everyday working when he was a little kid. So we got the work ethic was just taking the work ethic and probably something else. Do you have to be careful. And maybe Maybe sometimes reserved with maybe the first thing that comes to your mind when you are seeing pictures from some of the the athletes like if there let's say someone's a few weeks behind you know or or they're a little off track you think You know are you able to like jump down their throat throat and say something to him or do you have to be a little stabbing more soft approach to just does it just depend on the athlete now. I think most people know like shade. I sometimes remind him you know just so. There's no disconnect you have to be pretty pretty you have to be pretty blunt though were on the same page looked terrible people like yeah. Yeah I you know. I'm ready to get going right. I think bodybuilding is such a interesting sport in the way that like you mentioned Ronnie in both Barney and j fifteenth in their First Olympia It's I guess the climb to get into I seem so crazy especially when you've placed fifteenth when when you mentioned all that belief you need to have It's like you. You have to get better as you get older. And it's such a long process. has there been anyone. I don't remember or or no but has there been anyone who just came in and splashed rather immediately or is it is it. Yeah I mean look at anyone. Fermenting League's fifth or fourth Third Defer so he made Thurn or diverse oriented first person. Libya's coast Phil was like fifth to like second I so it says as much about the people like common jae-in ah about the drive than it does anything else. What it says something about Haiti durians and fills US phenomenal genetic slash LoC slash hard work to be able to late here? I'm winning right away. Yeah you know. I don't think we'll see that Some reason I don't think that that meeting will take that much anymore. It's weird that those stat. Those on occasions people were able to just like jump in. We'll even run. I mean he wanted to USA North nationals. And he was second in his first Olympia. I mean it's crazy his last year win nationals. Now on second in the Mr Lumpia. Why don't you think we're GonNa see that much Tom Because his other avenues to compete in like people like okay. I'm doing classic liked at our undoing. Men's physique in my life that it's is options people as opposed to was it. It was just bodybuilding. Has Anything changed. Changed getting in shape since Since you are competing I don't think I. I don't think anything's really changed. Just expectations of changed on. What people's levels of it's weird right? Can you always hear like people like oh the conditions terrible now compared to ten years ago. Yes and now it's funny. You didn't need Glsen Hams fourteen years ago and now they're prerequisite you WANNA get look at if you don't have goodson Hams and you can enhance have no one. You can have just average condition everywhere else you please i. Because you've got hams. Wow you know what I mean just so we are observation. That people don't consider you have to be ashamed. If you don't on have goods enhancing people go nuts over the guy with the greatest Sean Roden essentially had the best enhance. When he one right? I mean you could argue that. The show came down to enhance loomed everyone. It's funny though be. Isn't like an natural bodybuilding. That's the same type of thing but it's more so gluts like if you don't have gluts you're not in shape that's that's what gluts astrid abuses. What unique you can't a nice house with a granite countertop? Kitchens stainless steel appliances like. Oh Yeah did you see the rest of the house yet. But it doesn't have granite but but he's not granite. You have white refrigerator and a white. My Ovens Stainless Steel Look aside from Fr- side from like You know the expectations The way that you got shape 'cause we got some pictures here and I've seen Some stuff from back back in the day when you're out like golds gym venison stuff like that has any of the like I mean it's still like chicken and rice pretty much right. I mean that's we're talking about a moderate to low fat diet right. It'd be like it'd be like saying assert effort. Is there a new way of Basil money at a company event VIM bestselling in it. You know it's like when you find. A bookkeeper has been in keep us a bank cooking the books the same way cooking you know yeah. It's a a formula right yet to formula. You know it's it's a formula based on Energy control say Calorie Control Energy NFC Calorie Control of energy expenditure but not much has changed. You know not really. I don't think a lot has changed. I got GonNa Book wrote in Nineteen Ninety Six nineteen ninety five a body building just went to China and I said Oh God I got to do a seminar eight seven hearts take take the book on the plane and Skim through it and I'm like okay same stuff I'm doing now. Nothing's changed. Yeah you know it's it's interesting you're saying when you mentioned At least for the exercise aspect of bodybuilding. How you don't you don't like machines that much? 'cause like I I. It's it's so funny Lee. Seeing like so. Many bodybuilders are like preached that machines are the way to go to isolate certain muscle groups hamstrings. It's the worst it so yeah that's that's pretty awesome a steak everything I know on it I will. I think they don't I don't want to isolate sleet muscle. I don't know if I want to isolate a Moss I don I I don't. I don't think I want to train. Justin only feel my tax. I think it's okay to feel your shoulders and triceps. Maybe it's the heavyweight that come into play. Yeah Yeah maybe you're gonNA hurt yourself otherwise right i. I don't care terrifying squat Gluten him too as well as Mike Wise. I don't know if I want to just throw that away is used machine up and down Mike Whites I don't it's enough stress on the quad. Just you know. I don't see anyone's lake better than Tom platz anymore. I don't think anyone's Output Complexes Lakes against is anyone likes. He didn't do hamstrings and I will put some news back double bicep from eighty three against his last wrote in. Curry's back away right right. Yeah up side-by-side you think he did those machines. Bill of course is a different. You know he's got great back double suicide with San beat him to on free weights. Something I've always said from power perspective is I. I always thought the assistance exercises sure sizes. The only real importance of the supplemental exercises were the fact that they weren't barbell exercises. So it was more of a distraction away from from continuing onward with the Barbell Movement to almost hurt yourself. You know it's just so that's distraction distraction at total district. Yeah that's all that's all I ever or felt that they were. I felt. I didn't feel like they were Exponentially helping you any further actually just felt like it just felt like you were just gave you the illusion that you were doing more work and also maybe preventing you from overuse of using the bar. Bill you know it's it's funny that you say feel because because I mean I ask someone today. You've sometimes feeling we'll tell you what's going on. You know what I asked him. Today he said look cleaner said Nope. Aw except I asked him. You feel interested. Feel Lena okay. You probably later that I mean I can't see from today's ago three days ago maybe my I understood. Is You know maybe distinction is that small right now but If you feel leaner maybe you are. Minutes is the difference in goofy leaving leaving. No I feel softer. The holy smokes than you. Don't look any better and I think you're telling me you feel softer. So you know if you feel like those exercise just just a waste of time. Maybe they are a waste of time. Have you ever had to talk someone off the ledge off of You know them saying that they feel fat. They feel flat on. They want to abandon doing the show talk. I've had people quit on me. Ten days out wind shows I've had people WANNA pull out of a show. Three days is out and not win. The show boat please extremely high in a very important show. Yeah have you ever took a art at the end you ever took us at the end. And that's why I always tell people when one thing I think it'll go back to mentality is even people in the Olympia will help them. But don't on and yet they're the they're out of their minds they don't know where they are less ten days like my my goodness thinking twenty four hours a day Mike. Good enough may tighten up for my last year in the sky. Most people you know it's funny I will tell you this Sean. Roden ten days out have complete under no stress whatsoever are any thoughts about any other competitors anything for Jane Collar. I mean it is and I'm sure Coleman would be the way he did the same. You know what I mean. It's it's you can't get caught up in things again control. Yeah you ever recognize how ridiculous it is the profession that you're in you know where somebody's like saying somebody's holding onto like this little microscopic amount of fat. And they're like dude like I'm too fat I can't do the show or Mike. gluts aren't distracted enough. I don't think I'm GONNA win and you're like Oh my God. This is Kinda weird I mean. It's the show extremes right it's IT'S A. It's a pageantry of extremes and people right into and keep themselves up on brain about their condition last four weeks. Yeah did have you ever had to tell a client like. Hey you need to just go home and sleep Because of them being tired because of the outer all So so I'm currently trying to shred down and obtain APPS for the first time in my entire life all-star on doing coach Buy Marketing Encima. And one day. Okay I just came in and I'm like man I dunno guys like I'm feeling extremely flat and mark said something kind of similar to what you just said. He's like dude if we took a picture of us two days ago and then we took a picture of you today. You would look the exact same and I'm like I don't know man like I don't I don't feel like I'm looking too good and insieme was like well. What's your sleep and like Mike? Well it's always a struggle but you know like yeah I probably should you know maybe get a couple more hours. And he's like yes. You need to sleep right now. And and so I went. I went and got a couple of nights of good rest and I woke up on the third animal. Just like Oh shit. That guy knows what he's talking about. Oh Yeah Yeah you are not only mentally was I like more in a positive mind state but like I. I felt like when I looked in the mirror. I'm like Oh there we go like like we're we're back on track guys. Let's keep going I was just curious if at that level like I know everybody is is I mean they have so much experience. It's but does that. Still Slip Up to where you're like. Hey guys like sleep is like the other. You know other thing that you guys need to be tracking or you know it's just as important important as x Y and Z will I. I don't participate. sansone participate a lot people's training stuff. I micromanage it got added. When I don't need to micromanage us like the Dietitian on its own? I tell people out insert myself a key times. Thank and tell people you Are Retraining and you won't tell them to go sleep on a say can't train tomorrow the next day is going to be thousands. NYC Time you're going to go back with france-info awards. So I think that income falls under the category of breast you know sleep or slash overtraining overtraining. You GotTa push your body to the limit whether you're trying to do the You know the Long Island Amateur Award Mr Olympia. Push your body to the limit to break. I know barriers but at the same time you do have limits and the way people no limits in every time I get someone say no limits. There's tons of limits. Yeah you know you should observe limits it's But you have to know when you're pushing money too much because is when you push your body too much nothing happens. Nothing good happens so you know arrested. Knowing when to take days off from training people laugh at may be with me because I helped Notorious for like I can't take from ten days out when you take today off into our offers you know ten days long time when you're straggling and you're you know you're you're tip the mom just because you at the top of the mountain you can. You can stay at the topic of slide quickly. You know if you're not well rested or you're too far over train. Yeah and if so if we're able to separate bodybuilding from you know PD's and then. So maybe I guess that can fit in its own on Like level as far as how how how deep someone can be can be into bodybuilding In your opinion is bodybuilding healthy. I would say by the very healthy weight training credibly healthy. I think it's healthier than by far more healthy cardiovascular exercise wait one versus the other way training smokes she how about this. Oh God I was curious about when you hear a lot about Peaks of lot of bodybuilders. A lot of bodybuilders. Do some wild stuff font peak. That's just disaster weeks. Yeah like when you're dealing with I guess like wrote in Cutler Cetera. D Like do you keep it simple. Or they're are any weird Is there anything that you bring out of left field to. I guess bring anything more out of their physiques. I just don't want people coming into the show. Peak Week for me is. Don't let people go into the show holding lower so I mean you can. You can end perfect peak on the works until it doesn't work in your life and people write these extravagant Pekan processes down and and Manipulate one thing to things rethinks five things and it looks on payment but it might not work at all in real life so here in the House of water it is appeared on sixteen weeks twelve weeks or eighteen of forty weeks dining down the drain. The flip side is I mean look at rolling Media before the two biggest guys on stage to most waterlogged guys there are so You know in the other than thinking. Don't you know don't be stupid to go on stage. One of the flip side of that is don't let them go on stage. Be Too flat to buy at the choice rather see someone onstage low flat in tight and holding a little bit too much water and not tight enough. Are There Ernie like concepts in terms of ways that you go about getting drying athletes out. Yeah I'm trying to please him. You know trying to complete them but I'm trying to think thank all the way through the process you know. How really does this guy respond to light low carbs deplete because when you deplete someone can you run the risk of you know destroying all that Brigham into flat in other words. I mean how many people heard about C.. You see just go to People maniacs Thursday Friday when eaten like maniacs Thursday Friday probably depleted a little bit longer to our in. I mean southern the panic trying to repeal that could be so. I'm always aware of like how running into like couple of weeks out how sensitive Simpson Fan to falling apart from the Carmichael. Kobo something. We keep keep their car slow when they find it on. You don't train that bad they don't go to you flat so if that's the case again I think you know I would have the confidence to deplete them family card but default part that I wouldn't complete him too hard when you drop the cards too low and then the last three days Ideally I'd like to cover them up I would. I would go back to the Diet. Were they able you know if I ever tried tried to introduce cars. Would they look better or would they look better in a lot water. I mean they look fuller just ended up holding lot of water so it depends the person really but ultimately everyone can do it probably should use some form of flight depleting with Carson really low for three days in loading there Quebec up for like three days. It's like I said it straightened true but You know it's social media days when people wacky so you know they they see someone so carbon up on this. Maybe I need to cover on that war. You know they see somebody like crazy in this. Maybe I'm going to you know I don't eat that. I'm going to be slack. Beckham ice at a game up people people get caught up in what other people do. What are your thoughts on on? Cheap meals Do you think they're they're important How do you how do you factor them in or do you think it's just an excuse? Used for people to go hogwash. Mostly excuse for people to eat I think it's people get hungry and I need to cheat because I'm hungry. I think they're they're people far less odd. What people seem to be doing him a lot and you know I it kind of have a lot of people this year and I didn't have people doing a Lotta hills? You know I mean some I did with really good metabolism's awesome spot. Most I didn't you know something like email me. What about cheating on respond onion I show Get after a while Hilton instead of emailing this jet redick taxed when you think about cheat meal like not responding. Someone's like like someone who's getting ready for show which he won and he said my my anniversary's coming up and I didn't respond because I know what that was being sought for cheap and texts me. Hey Chris might might. My wedding anniversary is coming up. I Yeah I don't care. And he said you'll Kim anniversary or or cheat meal. I said really actually either really Egmont really concerned I mean you know what I just had someone do a cheat meal because they're just just like in shape in lean and that's when they're you know there's not much harm to want but this idea of like you know get twenty pounds of fat to loosen isn't going to help get quicker faster. I don't really buy do you ever sometimes use Simple sugars You know a soda or something like that to help kind of refill somebody It's in shape or do you. Sometimes I know sometimes Some coaches will say like I needy. They like cake or you need to eat like Burger. Like do you employ some things like that ours. That's not really your style. Sometimes what I'll do is in instead of letting them a lot of times people like have their like carbs. Go way up in have like she'd be offset you can work in itself. You know the two hundred twenty five carbs reading now you can get them for the next couple of days from anything. CAVILERS is still pretty low quote. You know the the insulin response is hot higher. Because you're eating crappy cars you know so and so I don't really care. But the but the calories still don't go crazy. Hi How about sodium. Because like back in the like. I used to hear a lot that a lot of coaches would just be like. When they're athletes would make meals? They wouldn't let them use salt. They would only be allowed seasoning. Nowadays I hear of more individuals like yeah you can. I just have as much sodium as you want as long as you keep it consistent throughout your whole prep how do you feel about that. Yeah I I think that people just like they. I think people eat way too much. Sodium in this weird I think people drink too much water in eat too much already. Just because it's like I it's funny 'cause I micromanage but I don't and a lot of time so I'll tell people like. Oh Yeah. We got three weeks out by the way. How much are you drinking? Sometimes you meet these numbers are saying. I'm like why five gallons yeah you know they give you crazy numbers those. I'll say much saw you got in your diet and the guys like. Why put you know fourteen cranks assault on each schwager Mike Leach meal you know? But it's relative so if the guy's eating Mike Fourteen cranks which is insane stupid now. He's if if he listens joking though exactly what it is. It's only. It's his word cranks fourteen as his number and you know obviously if he cuts down to three cranks per meal. That's a big sodium deficit last week. So he had never been counted out because of Brian Cramp up and go to the hospital. You know just by reducing his own sodium. Nothing Hospital but if he added like diuretic to wipe definitely would so versus someone. Who's just you know putting a little bit of salt in on three or four meals in a little bit? They may have to really low security in the last week Last month one of his relative right. You know it's like some guy was making a hundred thousand dollars a year that he's making forty thousand dollars. Lifestyle is just torched versus somebody making fifteen thousand dollars a year. Going down to eight thousand dollars is still half cut but I mean the guy making the big ring come even though his has gotten half Lifestyles completely upside down. So it's the first one was like fourteen cranks down three cranks. It's still a lot. aww Four cranks a meal so long assault but you know his bodies the way it reacts because it's such a differential between peak in the monosodium to the reduction that is as extreme as the guy was just using salt a little bit here. They're totally not. How do you handle handle a quote like a refi day or repeat meal How do I how do I want it like like? Is there like a certain earn protocol. Because I know you mentioned that you'll still keep people within like the the The Calorie retailers and I'm just curious 'cause you you know I I again. This is something I've never experienced but mark was like. Yeah you're going to need to eat a little bit more tomorrow. But I'll just curious like how do you handle those Lino. I'll have people people to rethink how people eat a lot to be doing. I'm trying but just trying to make the point that most people starkly fees before way before they even need repeat it's like the guy in your just hired accompanying he's worked forty hours a week and he wants to vacation vacation yet. You work on week versus the guy who think of that as you know the time off from work the time off from your diet you know the the guy who works twenty two straight weeks arts fourteen straight weeks hammering for UV are as employees. He takes quote three feet one week off. He goes on vacation. He comes back better than ever because he's the work for you because he's refreshed rushed in metabolism. Kind of the same people. Want to like take that week vacation after working for one one forty hour workweek. Same thing with the Diet they want to take the Diet. Six days sale can meet repeat back. I WanNa ask you this because I'm really curious about this in terms terms of the peaking When you look at I don't know if you've because you've worked at the law of bodybuilders but when you see a lot of like I guess in the natural bodybuilding realm you you find that like a lot of hire a lot of coaches that deal with those guys? They don't deplete much water sodium because they feel oh that if they if they are depleted they actually look much smaller just because they're muscle bellies are generally smaller. Does anything that enhanced guys take affect water like. Is there a more reason to do some sodium and water depletion on them verses natural gas because when you see that on natural guys they just look bad add usually what do you mean they look like when when a lot of natural guys are sodium and water pleaded they just like look flat and instead because you have to pound out the sodium pound out out of the Non Natural Natural Athlete because the anabolics retain insane amounts with Okay cloudy appearance. So you you you can try to pound the you know. Get rid of the water and the reason it must looks better is because it's artificially inflated within a Bolic's Okay whereas the natural guy pull the Sony Mata Him and you know try to pull water out of him it just leads to a flat. stringy luck yeah. Now that makes a lot of sense because you you hear them trying to do the same things and it just doesn't work I explain. Why are you a fan of a carb carb cycling and if so like how do you implement that I I am I am Al.? I I like to I mean I don't use it a lot a lot because the way I do things is like so instinctual that it probably probably includes a lot of carbs cycling just not aware of it but someone said he put together Diet for me for a probably keep him on like you. You know three days three days like low carbs a couple of days like medium one day when the defeat but it'd be like higher carbonates rerun run it through. I think it allows people to stay motivated for the Diet better. I think it allows people one day. That's hiring carbs. It does allow them metabolism not to not to speed up but preventive crashing I I think that I think that ultimately that type of diet versus a standard Diet. That's typically around the same calories but lower Same Calorie level generally I think you see better results from cycling your carbs. You just get something to look forward to right. I mean you have that you're just like Oh man on Wednesday I get to eat more. That's going that'd be fun. Yeah I mean you usually the day the day after you can train better after that day too so you can expect more. You know it's always about expenditure. Aw and reduction. How much can you expand in a much reduced? And you'll find people would train really hard. I don't have to do much card because they're you know they're they're expanding a lot. You need carbs. Don't have to go not always but you you don't is low because they're expanding a lot me so if carbs galleries because we reduce cartridges calories when you carbon solo you calories low but if Europe's works days where you are eating more carbs maybe you could. Most people probably trained hard on the day or two days after they'll be expend more arm on that talk of like Cardio when you when you're talking about it earlier you mentioned like some guys do way too much cardio and you typically you like them to get their deaths it from their diet. I think that's what you were mentioning but so that people can understand in your opinion. What does too much cardio look like? And what does like a a normal amount out of cardio look like I know it varies from person to person. It's not a blanket statement. But what's if you can what's that look like cardio you body looks like you lead. But only in certain body parts that's too much cardio. It looks like you but only in certain body parks. Yeah it's like you're you're fats. Wants to hang around so you don't know that anyone gets uniform. Lean area's slow. Burn off and then also Too much cardio but looks like in the gym Jim that you can't get palm strength sufferers or you're moving the waits for like far less aggression than you could previously yeah so the litmus test for each individual is am I not you know is my work on suffering my my only question all the way through crime test prep with Abe was hundred workouts. I don't need it on the Pump Yagi anymore. Or I don't have a good palm is your strength so Still there okay. That's also need to know. And the that would allow me my mind to be able to say okay then we can push cardio cardio you know you can do more cardio then it gets to the point of like you know what terrible mark. What's terrible? No pump no strength okay. The Cardio's too much for the guys to do you think this is partially because like people are because I see a lot of people taking like short short short preps is that a consequence Tsk that like they try to stack lot of cardio and a lot of dieting. Short period of time young people like to prep short. Because it's hard to time to think long term are you know if that's the reason people up short is because hard to think long-term It's hard to do things consistently long-term trying to get employees to work hard few you for long periods of time. Anyone can work hard to you for five weeks. It wouldn't happen to John. Smith is working for you. What happened to him? He's great for the first five weeks that he got lazy. So what's the same thing with conscious. it's hard to do it for long period of time and I know I know people who are with me. They WANNA do short practise why they want magic they want like me to grind him down to the ground. I would much rather I would suggest longer prep for everybody because it allows you to just two mistakes that you might make Evans. It's GonNa make mistakes in their prep or uncertainties that pop up in the Where you know Gosh last year I got you know? Let's get asked Mr will good Within you decided to prolong the time because you know coming together as expected. Yeah I like what you're saying about the workouts. I think that's something that we undersell sell ourselves. People sometimes talk about how you can't like out train bad diet and we should be smart enough to know that that's true like you you're you're gonNA you can out eat your any training effects that you have right But it is important that you feel awesome every single time that you work workout. Your workouts are productive and if they're not then you do have to start to analyze like why like what's making them bad am I not eating enough of 'EM I a not well rested enough in my doing too much cardio and then I think we also don't understand how quickly back in turn bad you can over train and then end up having cravings and feeling tired and like there's so many things that can happen Based off those workout. So I think that's really critical points. You gotTa keep the workouts. You have to have good workouts and then the question. I have about bodybuilding in particular. How important is it to get a pump? And how important is it to try to maintain a pump throughout workout. You're in your opinion but I think the I think strengths important right if you maintaining his strength but also end maintain. Maintaining Papa mean eh feedback that body's responding to what you do it. Sh- fled flow blah blah treated. It's like a ticket. What is like flow is movable? It's both the muscle a why. Why is it there What I can tell tell you who the only thing I know about With certain visits it's feedback. That's good and you can't get one when you're over dieting overtraining and if the pump is intuitively if you know it still it's like the crack bodybuilder is nothing what has been mm-hmm alternate wacky crazy. I mean just think best pumps in the gym. I mean right. Yeah if you could get the the craziest pump on if you if you know if you did. Ten ten o'clock in the morning did chest and you had the craziest. He is pump. And you know it was only from one hamstring machine that you got to get to that you go back to that you drive three hours hours everyday to do chess right. Yep would you not drive three hours. Every single day of you could guarantee the craziest ultimate palm. Yeah so you know something something that. It's like the ultimate feedback. Or something good's happening so usually overdieting overtraining over cardio. You don't kills that so that's why I always ask people because they're not training with them right not I don't go see the people I work with. It's even the biggest level shows. I just ask them. You Know Hausa bump in people tell me like four weeks so insane. I'm like okay tomorrow. Something 'cause you get your looking better anyway looking leaner if they tell me like terrible well how about yesterday is like terrible liberal to than I know some impression arbor deny whether overtraining or they just got the right and humility. They haven't taken enough enough days off and something's going to happen with either diet training rest to get to the point where at least you got a good. Yeah you know because then you know Alya feedback you. Buying something is happening when we're mentioning overtraining and like dieting too hard. I've always wondered wondered when you see bodybuilders doing show to show to show every single year and have a short off season back to prepping show to show to show isn't that is is. Do you ever think that there's a point that they could be competing too much that if they took like a prolonged I dunno year and a half off season to just gain that they'd be able to make more progress than competing every year or is it just the nature of the sport that you need to compete every single year. Yeah I mean it'd be like a an Armie gone from battles the battles the battle worn by the fourth one even if they're the best army on earth right so it's I mean you need offseason to allow your body to get to the point words just ready to drag it down because the whole point in getting far showed getting getting ready for show is. You're dragging your body down a cliff you can. You can make it. You know somewhat comfortable you to make it And try to do things where so you you know. Your metabolism doesn't slow. You could go. Hi Day did he do intimate. You can do the refugees. They ultimately dragons soft on the cliff. End To get down there. You have to be like writing ready to do it. You gotta be mentally writing but you also have to be physically writing. You know so Do Multiple shows. It's always difficult for people you know. It's an on paper when he was doing five shows. I'm so boaty band camp right by the fifth Art Dragging herself down a cliff as a that is a puts a great picture in your head. Yeah like how many branches do you WanNa hit on the way down. And how many how many rocks do you want the split. The Open on on your way down the cliff. It's not fun. I people tell me all the time you know. I don't respond. Dan Tired only Scott respond to like. I'm hungry I'm dead tired. I needed. I needed cheat now. I don't know man now. That's just ignore it. I guess but I guess it's just the mentality because like you know when when when talking to you about all this is like you make it. It is tough you know and I guess like whenever you're always trying to find a way to make it easier I think mark you yourself said it's just not going to be fucking easy and that's what you have to deal with L.. Yeah it's it's it's it's not easy you it is not easy and it's funny when I meet people they say. Can you work with me and they say you know. I'm ready to work. I'm thinking is that really need to be said to. I mean if you WANNA be mass not only Mr Olympia by just your absolute asked you better be ready to work. It's it's it's that's what it takes to get into shape. Is You know what it'd be a great deal on any level a lot of work a lot of consistency we get any help from supplements or vitamins U2 utilize protein shakes or anything like that with some people. You were with us. Protein protein shakes. I don't use too many. I don't use too many. I don't use too much protein. Powders I I do a lot with food I'm I'm a big believer in multi. Vitamins generous sports supplements all all the stuff. They're not gonNa make a break break. You know what I mean. They're not going to put it this way. Do you know how do you feel. I gotTa pump for two days. Because you taking multivitamins zinc Branching acids it's IT'S A. It's a combination many things that leads that that said additional nutritional supplements that are available to play a role in your recovery and keeping your immune system probably more than eight ounce. Strong it's not gonNA come and it's most likely not going to hurt anything now. No it's When I was in college I had one side of the wall was completely filmed? Looked like a store with supplements I used to take what about like creating a tremendous tremendous product must have cleaners. It's a product. You can take take today infield tomorrow even when shredding down you still recommend people will always hold water. It's like dude. I had to ask awesome. I'm just I just had to ask most people. Tell me the hogwash. I say junior. You're like like that's the problem. You're just still chubby and then in terms of the protein shakes like just. I don't know what somebody has one once a day or a couple times a week. Something like that like after they train right. Yup I'm still trying to figure out the gut problem right G. H. Away Protein. The so I I mean I'm trying to try to like and I'm still trying to. I'm still trying to figure out in my own. Head like really is eight ounces of ground beef which one's been eight ounces of big or two scoops away protein. I quit my instincts aid grumpy right. You know on the NO I. I don't know when you mentioned Gut promise you meant actual stomach problems or the bodybuilding building. Got Problem that you see a lot these days All of it all of a bit people people always telling me I mean people want us a G H my stomach's house growing up ahead at so often you know I come back like protein. Powders I don't how people use too many protein powders. That much protein concentrate. You put mixup input in disliked Little Cup and drink it down that sixty protein. That's a lot like just flying three three small intestines quickly. You know okay. Yeah and it would take you you know how long chew on sixty two throwing the take you awhile all right and you get to be. Yeah you just get sip it down. Yeah and you can look at that like through any liquid your orange juice or anything else. I mean it's kind of all cut all ends up being a being similar. I love the way your simplifying everything. to people listening some people might be like man. This guy's just kind of like a Making everything seems so simple but it is fairly simple. I mean nutrition has always been simple. I try to share this with people all the time. Not Nothing has changed. Hi still have to work really hard. If you WANNA have a good body then you know maybe put some time into it but if you WANNA have a great body. That's a fulltime job. It's a it's a large requirement and you're going to need a lot of help and a lot of assistance from either somebody like yourself or the outside resources really to to try to manage of you know having having a great body who who is your favorite bodybuilder of all time like is there do you have an inspiration inspiration that drove you to even start bodybuilding well It's funny I I I liked I liked complex when I was growing up because he had big lakes I had lakes and and I just realized this the other day is because someone else had read the book When I was a kid I read Arnold Education of Bodybuilder and bought the book somewhere somewhere like at a garage sale on? It's like palm doing weightlifting by building about the books and I bought the rain read it and I thought it was going to be like Okay Mondays as you do chats Tuesday to do back and I'm reading the book and it's like I mean it's it's Anthony Robbins before Anthony Robbins. Was Anthony Robbins. In other words. It talked about mental mental game and I was like in the seventh grade and I'd never I'd never nobody ever told me before about the immensely positive. I mean I didn't know what that meant when thirteen years old and I didn't know what like setting setting goals meant I mean maybe this day and age people you don't set goals for their kids and to our you know try to try to instill in them that there are options. That was the first time I've ever read something in realized ICED. There's options in things and normal kind of spell that out and yet he didn't really I mean he was. He was talking way above and beyond weight training. And so that was a huge influence on me because because I was expecting to find out something to read that book about physically improving yourself in it was mentally Bruin yourself which you know. Jet Thirty on Gigi didn't even know what it's all about so Even though I thought he had to kill a physique of course one else I think Arnold became a someone to copy to steal his ideas emulate. Whatever you WANNA call it in terms of you know what your perspective on life? So 'cause everyone's disease you can fall in love with you know when you're a kid looking at magazines every single magazine you open up like how I the you know the open mind blowing to you right so I mean the anyone you you you you you could you know admire all of them. The greatest bodybuilder of all time. In your opinion I think the greatest vitals Arnold because people have this stupid idea. They say winning kept tenth It's called groundbreaker. All right. I mean he broke ground for everyone. Everyone else he broke ground for. I mean his level development. Seventy three probably would've his seventy-three would've wanted more than seventy four. Seventy three seventy four. Seventy five doubt look would've won did would kill deadly one in seventy six seventy seven. Seventy thirty nine eighty eighty one eighty two Wasn't until Samir Strung Strung together three in Lee Haney eighty four so for a decade ahead of his game and when people caught up with them I mean he had to figure out of stuff on his own at that point people who came after him Model steal the idea that he had laid now. When you're you know people will take Elon? Musk carve twenty now and they'll look at back. The old test was a a joke is a joke. You look at the iphone now look at. The Eiffel was FETIG or a blackberry. Blackberry was the press smartphone. They broke ground. So that's why you know I think Arnold Number One and the fact that he stuck around has stuck around supported the sport when he did need renews right. It was not box office guide for a long long long time. Still put on your glasses or could donald classic. So nobody's going to do that. We how have you taken some of these principles of hard work and dedication to bodybuilding you being a former bodybuilder yourself and then instilling some of these lessons into you know a Jay Cutler and and some other guys Have you been able to take that outside. I'd of the gym and utilize in your own life Yeah but I think in terms of you can borrow. Body does not easy and it takes a remarkable amount of hard work and you have to live at twenty four hours a day. She wanted to be good at it so in I think businesses easy to bodybuilding. So I've been been able to take the principles of discipline. Hard work goal setting vision in a blanket to business mostly because I knew the businesses. It's not all encompassing you. Get time off body to get time off. It's always like offseason in into preseason. We three days out on bad bill you do. You can sign a contract in business and it has a little clause in it if anything in this contract screwed up to get to go back and start all over again. You know what I mean you lawyers have nothing in there. It's Ripley screwed it up totally we have the right to go back and Redo it all over. It's Mike Sorry I screwed up prejudging. I get to go back and three days. You know Redo my my Mike was Talking Week. I think by comparison building still still like remarkably demanding remarkably hard. I always tell people if you put the time and effort into something outside of bodybuilding that you do in Divina building can be successful and you mentioned How Arnold had impact on you at a young young age and you're unaware that stuff like that even existed having a positive mindset? Is this something that you share with your own children. I feel with my kids options. You know I give them options you know. Do you WANNA. They were home schooled. Would you like to be on schools in his home. Schooling Rolling is now. They're not home schooled now that their public school options. You don't have to go to the same public school you know. Oh every year you can go to different public schools you WANNA primates. Full was supposed to look at a private school. You know there's always always it's funny because a lot of kids grew up in you know if you up property there are no options. Actually I mean there's fewer options and if you up in it a disenfranchise this community. There's less options It is is just a simple. It's a simple idea idea. That options are available twice in the profession. Doing real estate or something. I'll often say to someone when they said you know this is it can emergency this. What we're doing? What else do we do? This is nothing else we can. It's economy something else. Some of the operations and the doctor gives them things that they can do. You know what our options right. Now we're in emergency situation What other things can redo or what are the? What are the results of those possible things so I think if you think you being successful I hate that word successful but broadening your horizons bye? Bye always always believing that there are there alternatives options. What you're doing now and it might be a better way of doing things wounding contest? Prep is is is a good way to go. I think that's great a great thing to share with children is because you know As a kid your mind is always so blown when you hear hear that somebody else is doing something you know. You just might not be aware. I remember my My nephew he was so excited When he could count the ten and he came to me? It was like Uncle Marco Mark. He's like I can count to ten and I said what about eleven and you should've seen his eyes just like lit up like I don't know I like I don't know nothing about no eleven forty talking about dude you know I just got to Tan Gimmick Keno. Cut Me some slack here but it's great to Let Kids No. Yeah Yeah there are other options you don't you don't have to eat junk food. I mean you can. There's some wonderful options in terms of junk food but there's there's healthy food that tastes pretty good too so so you could give them give them options and then see which way. They're they want to go with no I. I can't agree with you more and I mean you you hope with kids in anything that decisions that they make they make decisions out bites. You know you always run it just you know I get stuck on the idea of options only because like at that you know we go back to the Book Education Asian of fighting Golden. I went through your environment that I did know that there's options on the table like even the idea of options told what to do and there's nothing wrong with that being told what you give to because it's the discipline it but the idea of like you you know there are options there options. Do Life you know you don't have to live where you live there options you know on on so many different levels else and You know with that minded allows you to keep an open mind and I think an open mind allows you to create for yourself ultimately possibly at one comfortable lifestyle or more comfortable life one the flesh stress arrests. And you know one way you'll living rather than just like his like crashing down on you on this note of like we're talking about all these options options here When you looked at like reseed evolution of bodybuilding and you see where you know? Classic Zeke is now a thing it's more classic was Egos meant. So I guess emulate the Arnold era when physiques looked like that How do you feel about classic Zeke? Do you like do you like the way. That category looks verses bodybuilding. Or do you just you look at it as two different things or do you. Just look at it as bodybuilding. I I look at it is to defend. Look it's bodybuilding and I love it and the is just it's unfortunate that we got to the place where we had to create or attend to manifest infested cell from the what had been be wanted as winners to Professional Bible shows And and we all mass right. Everyone loves muscle. Mass and more is better till doesn't look better and I think that's what it happened. The sport is it just took a turn where all the physiques look the same or there was less distinctive from Physique Physique and where there was no room for somebody with a killer physique just does know Reuven for for that body because he would ultimately get beat by somebody who was might have an ugly big body. You know I mean there's big I'm in real estate is big houses and there's unbelieving houses and you know how much how much house you need when you have the perfect you. I can show your houses. That are just mindblowing. That are hundred years old. You might have been remodeled a little bit a hundred years old brick Yesterday been remodeled on the inside in twenty three hundred square feet made their craftsman. Put them together with thought into each and every nook and cranny in that house us and that house would blow your mind on with some forty two hundred square foot house that somebody gets put together in six weeks you know in a suburb. Nineteen Muslim Muslim from this house. So the point is there's you know there's bigger is not always it was better and I think that that's what happened with the sport. It devoid. Tim took an odd turn and so much. So that. Here we are with classic Zeke. It is a lot of classic Bonnevilles look at same building you know and Ed's do they weigh a lot no the gigantic. No but they're put together perfectly right. Yeah it kills me. Once a Wednesday John Incredible the game. Twenty pounds you know what he might gain twenty pounds but five of it might go in the wrong spot and you'll say he was actually a little bit better bowl fourteen pounds ago. Yeah how about guys like Cedric Millan. Sean road you worked with or were you working with They eight like in terms of I guess the flow of their physique even if they were bigger or smaller they still seem fairly classic. Ish If you get what I'm saying my wrong in saying you're not the classic ish I mean there are more classic you know in two thousand twelve two thousand nineteen. Yeah but there dares You don't someone said well. How do you define classic Of Somebody in the classic Levian place in high suggest speakers Muscular has the height and weight dimensions. That meet as soon you know classic when you see it. You know it's like you go into an old classical music while you know somebody who's grown up on tight to entire life in Sydney. That's not to elucidate innovating Vegas. They might come back to Boston. and seeing Brown stone it was. How do this is what we? We don't even know how they do it anymore. It couldn't do it you know they couldn't do this anymore so I mean there's there's Sir you know classic you know some people in the open with more Classic Lines Germs Cedric than than or even brandon curry than others others just pure mass monsters. There's nothing wrong with you. Know Roly winkler at all your mass monster or of course Ramsay. I am not going to name names or people one big shows the last six years look like shed and that should have never happened. Yeah you know so you know the idea that the whole point. That went on the wrong wrong. You know turnpike turnoff is that you know you had a classic Rochelle this week with forty guys. You couldn't have Orsha with forty guys in it you could you could have high will have an immense oprah show you're gonNA get forty guys know why because people have decided decided. That's not the look that I want to myself in so the growth in sport is an exit from the second classics started. I told Dave level on our podcast. I said he laughed. I said I think in five years we're GONNA be talking about the classic Lumpia or seven years definitely ten. We might not even give to do crafts while the open Olympia. And that's where I guarantee As equal as excitement the classic movie this year is there is. There is as the men's open it might have been this year it might have been equally you know. Monks purist equal excitement. The Plastic Division as it was about the open uh-huh especially with big names missing. Now that doesn't mean that makes not saying that like you know when people look at that or even and I look at that Classic versus like bodybuilding Even myself like I just like the classic physiques better like if if I were to ever wants to do that. Not Saying I could but I would rather much rather like look classic Physique Bodybuilder then a bodybuilder a motte say I can Bernie thing you know what I mean. But that's you're exactly right about that made its case tastes right personal preference but generally. There's there's there's a lot to see in a classic Can Draw Your Ryan on every posts and that's how you know when you have a complete zygmunt. Every single rose looks off the hook. You can look impressive is a lot of people in the open. Olympia damn impressive in every single pulse but for their bodies look off the hook on every single you know what I mean not only oppose this movement moving into the post and then you know it's classic. Chris Thank you so much for your time today really appreciate it. This is incredible Thanks for sharing that information information with us. Thank you very much at me. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you very much. Listen again all right take care. uh-huh wow that dude smart man. Yeah yeah he is. My my stomach was trying to get on the broadcast. You heard that says wondering if mine got on I think it may have two or or it might have been outside outside. They might have been shooting their police thing over there. I heard I heard something making noise background. Yeah I was thinking maybe it was your cell so loud that it was going into mine mine was going crazy like thirty seconds. I couldn't even. I could like making weird noises. That's just you're burning fat. Ah Yeah exactly fattening. fat-burning stages I was so reassuring because over the past like since before this week I'd say maybe maybe we can half like I wasn't waking up hungry. I wasn't even hungry period. I think all people died of the podcast was no cardio and and more machines like whoops stuff around Ueno like. That's what he said. But the in Hungary I think is a good sign. Yeah then so now how we we cut down let macro so a little bit and the I've been waking up a little hungrier than normal and I mean I think I've made a pretty good amount the progress over the past couple days also think though there's people that they don't there's a lot of people that like you like you came from a place of already eating pretty good you know but there's some people people that when they come from spot or they're eating very irresponsibly They actually might find the food to be like hard to eat like like. Sometimes you struggle with like the amount of food because now you're starting to not only have the micronutrient content but you're also also getting the macro nutrient content. Your body actually needs and you're just feeling more full time you're you're you're feeling better. And yes if you're trying to get like lean lean and in really trying to have some crazy progress than you're probably going to have to be hungry but that can also come down kind of slowly Do Yeah I love how he just didn't wave run anything like it was like. What do you think intermittent fasting Alec sounds like it can probably work? He didn't say that Kito doesn't work and say that no carbs and work but implements what works and it's like a person's get leaner up. They got too skinny up. Let's give them a little bit more food you know. And then she just it was so So basic and almost so nonchalant. You're like I don't even know if I learned anything from that but what you learned. Is the basics work. Yeah I mean you you asam on two different occasions like has anything changed and nothing's changed whether the the the Diet or the training right so yeah just confirm more or what most people kind of already know but now this is cements it a little bit better than some people might be wondering why we didn't ask them about you. You know a lot about steroids. He just he would just throughout the same basic stuff you know he. There's nothing new. There's people take to stop Australian other things to get ready for a show and He also a guy that one thing that we didn't really cover he did talk a little bit about how he you might carve cycle people but he's he'll audible allot just the way a Lotta contest. Prep coach will. He'll make adjustments a lot like he might say. Oh okay well you need to do cardio the next three days for thirty minutes you know. And then he might pull it back out or a neat need new pictures or whatever and then he might bring your carbs backup or bring your carbs back you know he's GonNa Adjust On the fly and I'm sure they'd probably do similar things with with some of the drug protocols but Not really going to gain a lot out of that because that's going to be so uniquely different for each person so I hope people really like with what he was saying about like you know. Oh some of these higher level bodybuilders drugs people really like pay attention to that. Believe it because like when you hear a lot of these guys on Youtube and see that shit that that like the amount that they're taking people really think that's normal like that. That's not normal. Yeah like that is some bad as dangerous the amount of like shit that these youtubers taking taking and barely making any progress you know. That's he's like he's right. These days aren't taking shit people don't want they don't. I want to hear them that they want to hear that. And I like how brutally honest about it to like. You won't be Mr Olympia no matter how much you do. You won't be you know how many powerlifters lifters are are that are already on massive amounts of stuff when somebody brings up Larry Wheel. Someone's like Oh my God dude. He's on massive amounts of Shit. And you're like Whoa you use stuff to you know. It's it's crazy though. But that's like that's the go-to thing and it's like well. I don't think that's the difference but okay. Whatever makes you feel good? It's literally whatever makes you feel feel happy. You're okay with that makes you more comfortable with yourself than your F- go for that. Oh you're right that that's the difference yet but you know what what really is funny when we were talking about peak week man like when you If you ever do where to go to like natural shows I don't know like you'll probably see this more now to And ask some of these guys on peak when they look horrible. They're like yeah all this depletion and all this stuff and it just didn't seem to work out but yeah like like He. He explained it makes sense offense. I didn't realize that out of all make you hold so much water. But that is why they have to do that. Shit if you're a natural guy that's doing a show. You shouldn't get rid of water. That's the one thing that's helping you be full. Keep that you know it makes makes a large difference. I actually think a lot of times. The natural guys Can Look a little leaner. Sometimes they can look a little They can look a little drier. And I maybe that just has to do with the Maybe that has to do with. I like what he was saying. ANABOLICS and making you hold onto water and maybe this hold on other nutrients and maybe it's hard to get as dance. Obviously you can look look a lot bigger lot crazier But like an alburto Nunez. I mean you don't really see like Alberto Unions like one time when we were podcasting with a few years ago. mini-league jaw. I'm like I've never seen that. I don't know what's going on but the crazy shit is it looks crazy. Yeah the condition of high level natural dudes. It's really it's really really crazy but the thing is they don't do crazy stuff on their peak week. It's pretty much like if they're in shape eight they just keep it all the same until showtime. It's it's not fancy at all. Powerlifting is the same thing you know people flip out the last few weeks Before before they get into a competition they're like oh man like my. I shouldn't have bought a different belt. That thirteen millimeter belt with so much man me put that back on a wait. Show US earlier. Bell Ali Hallway Squat and better couple years ago and flats or they go back and watch an old video from six years ago and they've they're like oh man I was close to my Max that what I do now. I Man I should maybe switch. All that other training program was better. Maybe I should go back to three sets of three like you just doubt for some reason you start doubting everything and normally normally You know you gotta try to keep your cool if you do have a coach just you. You probably paid them so just believe in that and work on that a- and Trust in that and then when the show is over the competitions over economic Reevaluate what he could could have done. Better but they you know there's this is saying that says You know the time to learn how to run is not when you're being chased by a lion so like when you're going full blast competition that's not the time that really Switch things up. Man's just hold steady. Try To shut us down that program the best again. 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Yeah does it. Does it calculate how much pressure he can hold in you. Actually it's it's supposedly like it has a different programs programs building up from the basic program so gets more advanced. You hold for more seconds. Don't ask I know that just know that. Does this progression right. Yeah it's progressive overload. There it is. That's what it's all about. has there been anything weird. That's changed in your diet in the last few weeks Like everything's been Kinda slow. It's like not that much different than what you've done before it. Everything's the same at the exact same I mean we did alter how much I am eating But but it's still it's chicken and rice. Yeah yeah that's it and I don't I don't have any Like I don't do any kind kinda like drinks of any kind other than sparkling water Trying to think Yes the newest thing that I implemented was like. I'm having salsa with Iguazu. Salsa yeah a super awesome bodybuilding hacker shredding hack is get a Mexican girlfriend because they can make amazing amazing homemade salsa. And it's it's insane like I I don't feel like I'm on like any kind of like restrictions because I have just like a cup full of egg whites with salsa and it's it's It's really good. Yeah Yeah and then of course like when I do make chicken people you know like I can't can't do chicken but I've been using Karrubi Q.. And like that chicken seasoning chicken. Rub It makes a world of difference. It doesn't make any sense and then that of course with I will mix in once in a while. The Redman's seasonal. That's that's really really good but all in all like no. I'm not I haven't changed anything. Yeah and disseminating could just be continuing to lose weight. could be peeing out peaking being out some of that body fat. Yeah I mean I I wish I was crazy. So like when the Piedmont tease people were here like they had extra flat iron steaks. And I put that in my mackerels. And I'm like I can't believe this is this is more lean than like chicken it it it was insane. Yes Adnan that protein. Yeah yeah so that made. That was pretty cool. I was like pretty far enough ridiculously really far over but I was over protein last night and it was pretty awesome. How many days we have left unsold unveiling Only eleven like nine days and days awesome. Yeah this is what I've been doing like every so often say how many days till Christmas yes can Syria or something. Yeah nine days till then I thought I had the volume we would. Yeah so I'll just ask Siri. How many days till Christmas? Yeah series just told me nine days any been counting down with a little chocolate every morning chocolate calendar. I have seen those my nephew one but I didn't. I don't have. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What this thing is chocolate calendar Wait is this like a weird weird. No it's like a little kid thing. Oh okay thank account down. 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