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TSP103 - Transcendent Tunes: Woody and Arlo on the rails.

The Sill - Perspectives on Art

32:57 min | 1 year ago

TSP103 - Transcendent Tunes: Woody and Arlo on the rails.

"This then Joel just having a good time together having a great time telling stories and loving the music that they produced and the whole art of telling stories through songs. It's really somewhat of a dying art. Oh Bow that you're listening to the silk podcast perspectives on art and technology with Peter J and Harry posner episode one hundred three transcendent tunes would he arlo on the rails. The land is your land. Land is my land in California. The New York Guy Land Redwood bar is the Gulf stream waters. This land was made for you and me. I don't know this is really a story about trains as much as it is about woody in some ways isn't it well. It's about trains in both cases with Father Woodrow Guthrie and recovering kind of father son do oh today father being woodrow Woody Guthrie and son being arlo Guthrie and a couple of their songs that that are kind of like anthems away doing woody Guthrie's this land is Your Land Yup which Pete Seeger also made famous among others and others <hes> and we're doing our little Guthrie's city of New Orleans now he didn't write the song but he made the song famous <hes> we're GonNa talk about those tunes those performers the writers of those songs and kind of wide. We feel that important <hes> more store begins in nineteen twelve in Oklahoma Ma Oklahoma July fourteenth nineteen twelve woodrow Wilson Guthrie was the second son of Charles and Nora Bell Guthrie who by the way was named after Woodrow Wilson the Democratic candidate who would go on to become president of the United States in one thousand nine hundred thirteen and as <hes> woody later told concert goers quote and my father was a hard fist fighting Woodrow Wilson Democrat so Woodrow Wilson was my name both parents were we're musically oriented and taught him a wide range of folksongs which he also learned to play on his guitar and Harmonica is early years were really filled with tragedy and personal loss. He lost his older sister Clara. One of four other siblings followed by fire that burned down his family home. His father was ruined financially and if that wasn't enough his mother was also institutionalized suffering from Huntington's disease the same disease which would also eventually and what he's life right by nineteen twenty six when he was fourteen woody and three of his remaining siblings were pretty much left to themselves and their father went to work in Texas to pay his debts over the next few years as a teenager Guthrie lives with various families and Oklahoma and turns to busking in the streets for food or money so some of his influences come from this hard times in America <hes> at the Depression Nineteen twenty nine the dust bowl in the thirties and well he jumped train Salat like a Hobo dn working America is suffering terribly is witnessing all of this. The abject poverty is living that poverty away so a lot of his <hes> raging against SD inequality and justice for workers comes out of that comes a bit later because at that time he's just busy surviving right he visits southern California in these places they called Hoover Bills Dell's Oh yeah what's that who bills were like shantytowns that were almost symbolic of the depression right. They were all over the country on the shores of the Hudson River New York to the valleys of California because the unemployment win rate at the Depression peak at twenty five percent so the common man many many skilled people were out of work and they were route picking whatever they could do to survive and the name Hoover in Whoville is attributed to President Hoover who was the president during the depression and hoover or the policies of government were largely blamed for the conditions of depression. Okay a particular Whoville were the story by John Steinbeck. Oh if my Samora oh great survivors in nineteen thirty nine that's were sore is developed. Okay so you get a sense of the timing here were nearing the end of the depression but the depression officially ended in nineteen thirty nine us at ten ten year long depression. That's incredible when you think about a whole decade of people suffering so he really sang his way across the country didn't he while 1937 Guthrie Lanza job with partner maxine lefty Lou Khorasan as a radio performer of traditional folk music on K._f.. V._D._I. in Los Angeles considered a very liberal station for the Times yeah and they soon garner a loyal following from the disenfranchised Oh keys living in and migrant camps across California originally from Oklahoma at his populace sentiments founder away into his songs and he had a very interesting saying written on his guitar didn't he. This machine kills fascists which I think is a pretty interesting and provocative and powerful political statement this wunderlist that he has California yeah which is developing in the last three or four years of the nineteen thirties any moves to New York Yep and in New York he's warmly embraced by leftist starts right they really like his <hes> particular energy and his focus so he collaborates with the likes of Alan Lomax Tom and lead belly oh lead belly yes and did seger believe it or not and we'll gear. This is a very young pizza girl he suit yeah and he takes up social causes and he actually helps establish publish folk music okay as a music genre right so he wrote what is more than three thousand songs they range they say more than a thousand and some people as high as three thousand so safely can save thousands because he wrote everywhere and he wrote prolifically and he would hit strides you it'd moments where he would just right all the time and a lot of these writings have never even been discovered in a sense they've been on the back of Napkins Boxes Yep wherever he wrote them right on people say that someone is going to be very fortunate or one day and come into a box on an attic always material laid out somewhere. Do we have any. Understanding of how this land is your land kind of happened. There's a very famous song. God bless America Will Kate Smith God bless America Right which is taking place in the late thirties thirty thirty eight thirty nine and he takes exception to the song he doesn't believe that it's a true reflection of what he's experienced and traveling across the country right. It's not really depicting the true picture and the average bridge guy at the base of everything he does. He's above the average Guy Yep. If you look at his roots and the hardship he was born out of you can kind of understand this <hes> an and his music does the same thing his music his lyrics depict the same thing and one thing a lot of people may or may not know about Woody Guthrie was that he often would change his lyrics in a performance depending on who he was singing to O.. K. blabber would kind of tailored to the audience yeah or the specific 'cause that he was kind of trying to to support in his music yeah and musicians kind of this as well that later took unsung as you mentioned Bob Dylan Anders People like Bruce Springsteen Pete seeger so many mhm he influenced dylan ton a lot in fact in his final years Dylan used to visit him regularly and in the hospital because gotta start in his early sixties and would he ended up dying in nineteen sixty seventy before the two that from about the age of fifty five until his death he deteriorated so much that he was really not able to do much in the way of performed actually died at the age of died at fifty five. You're saying that the last ten years of his life he was really not in records in the Kizer Asia by the late forties on so if you know that he's born in one thousand nine hundred twelve he's not yet forty yeah when this Hodgkin's Korea begins to infiltrate his body and his mother died of that as well so this anthem this land is your land which is one of the most things song and sing along tunes ever written when was that actually written originally written in nineteen forty nine hundred forty that far back that far back Yep wow now and then it was recorded by the famous ash that vote way records stretch is first name was flakier flick your Ash Moses ash most is Ash Zach okay he records it in nineteen forty four but does not release it. Oh why I don't know what the reasons were but it doesn't actually get released for many years Charlie. He actually releases Folk Bay records releases it nineteen fifty one okay and the actual recorded version of says quote from an article I read in fact Guthrie's recorded version was more or less lost until Smithsonian archivist jeff place heard the acetate master during nineteen ninety seven transfer of the recording to digital format. He's still it. It was sung at rallies around campfires progressive schools. It was these populace lyrics that had appealed to political left in America and I I ever heard was Pete Seeger's version of it not old enough to remember woody in that sense it it is very stirring very much an anthem for the common people and also for America this land is your land from west to East road really sweeping a sweeping song that ticks across the country and then the train travel across the nation to in the importance of trains in the early days of America in particular <hes> without train travel could not have become the industrial nation wasn't balk at East and West Yeah Transcontinental Thel railway than the t sixty and who built that railway hard working Chinese Chinese no and locals but hard working people or any of dying neighbors Labor's who died in the creation and soul woody Guthrie as I understand stand eroded also a ton of train songs. This train is bound for glory and train forty five and different songs all about train travel on the life of the Hobo jumping trains but there's an interesting you just mentioned in Hobo Yep now. This is the perception that we typically have or that. A lot of people have a woody Guthrie that he was a Hobo <hes> no writing the rails as a Hobo. He was actually considered an intellectual interestingly. We don't know that about him. No he was a an avid good reader ball all that aside thing about it too right as much as he wrote he'd have to have some intellectual capacity as well you just to cover the subject matter even if the lyrics were simplified the the content of the meaning behind the lyrics was much more profound right back. I read somewhere that he was debating the federals papers in the Library of Congress. <hes> the famous federal has papers are associated with Lincoln and so on so he it wasn't just some poor guy meaty potatoes writing the rails and planning guitar well. That's the thing about these so-called folk singers we often paint them as being very simple minded in folks in one way shape or form and they're much more complicated and more intelligent than we give them credit for a lot of time and also more tuned in yeah sure to the realities of their experience because they are experiencing. These things themselves also not just what they're witnessing. They're actually living it. This is a guy that comes from the center of the United States right and as the Sun reflects in the lyrics from California to New York and everything in between right he's also brought into this is great piece on the Columbia River which was a documentary that was being made at the time and their song was made for that roll-on Columbia rose on. That's the Tin Wright tune so I mean there's a lot of these tunes we remember from woody without actually thinking about them that often but he really was influential in as you say starting the folk movement and as a songwriter writing about the day to day what you see out there Roy not some imaginary world of romance and love and Blahdy Blahdy but the actual day to day struggles so remember that all of this activity all this travel quite a restless soul. He doesn't stand any place Bernie given length of time he has this psychological vehicle mindset that he doesn't want to get to comfortable anywhere right because his early life meant a constant move and never knowing what was going to happen next so he was most comfortable on the road which is not typically would most people are comfortable with great and this eventually costume three marriages <hes> okay and a children he had by three different women eight children so his son are low was the second one second wife who by the way was the only one who attended him his final days. They'll kidding yeah. Wow third wife couldn't handle everything that was happening at the end but his second wife actually came back with the children they had together as well take Arlo was one of them box the guy from the red would to string this Illinois Central. <music> fifteen cars and fifteen restless rider three conductors in twenty four six days all along southbound on the train down enroll law passed town bar than passing towns that have no name and freight yard full of old black men and degree yards arrested all be singing good morning America are no you know me and you need is just the train they call the New Orleans five hundred miles when days box Fox are low kind of became a chip off the old block walk in many ways kind of taking that torch and carrying it forward as a fine singer-songwriter folk musician <hes> in his own way making his way in the recording industry etcetera etcetera and speaking of Hobos us in one thousand nine hundred ninety two he produced record called Hobos Lullaby and on that album was a song called city of New Orleans which became his biggest hit it rose to number eighteen on the charts also kind of anthem for trains in many people don't realize that he didn't write that song. They don't know the person who wrote that song was Steve Goodman a gray musician and his own fantastic musician. If you dial up Youtube in Steve Goodman you'll see just how incredible guitarist he was as well as a tremendous songwriter and he grew up in Chicago and he'd take the train regularly from Chicago down to the south of the U._S. and other parts on the Central Central Illinois line <hes> she was an Amtrak train. No one of the trips is wife was asleep and he started to gays out the window and unabated sketch patty sir to write notes about what he was seeing the passing fields a- junk yard with rusting automobiles freight yards full of black men passing no name towns and all that stuff and playing cards with the old men in the club card all of these things that ended up in this song city of New Orleans. It's really an observational song and it's fantastic song. It's kind of simple in its cord structure. Not that complicated. The words are very clear. It's taking on a journey on this train in South America to the Mississippi area from Illinois and all the things along the way and then towards the end it says in all the towns and people seem to fade into a bad dream in the steel rails still eat turned the news meaning that trains are beginning to go the way of the Dodo because airplanes have now come in and they're closing down a lot of railways lot a rail lines and the highway structures which is a fifties and sixties yeah which is very difficult for a lot of people in rural areas who relied on the train system in the efficiency of that and so Steve Goodman wrote this song city of New Orleans in part to support the movement to save the trains if you like MHM and he unleashed it in nineteen seventy at the philly folk festival and then recorded it on his first album in nineteen seventy one and then how did Arlo Guthrie get a hold of this song. This is the interesting story because we have a segment on youtube that we can play our talks about this. I met Steve Goodman background. Nineteen seventy-one now is playing in club at the time Belmont called quiet night and one night after the show. Oh I was walking out with my guitars. You know going home or to the hotel or something and the owner of the place guy named Richard Harding Stat me sit arlo before you go friend of mine was singing a song so I said Oh oh come on yeah. I don't want to hear no songs. I don't like songs. I was tired as I only like my songs wash. I listen to other people songs so around. The corner comes as little guy and he's smiling at me says Arlo. I just WANNA sing you. Once on man says okay tell you what man you buy me a beer and I'll sit here and drink it and as long as it lasts you can do whatever you want so he says it sounds like a good deal at I says it does it turned turned out to be one of the Finer Beers of my life I met Steve Goodman that night and we set out and you played a bunch of songs and gave me a tape for some of his stuff and some lead cheats and I took them home and and <hes> within bat six months or so we had recorded city of New Orleans and went on from there and so he records it and produces it on his hobos lullaby album in nineteen seventy two and makes it big big name Steve Goodman the writer wrote that song when he had been diagnosed with leukemia so fron young to Yup from nineteen sixty seven or eight until nineteen eighty-four when Goodman died at the age of thirty six he had to deal with chemotherapy and drugs and all kinds of shit and keep his energy positive in his creativity going to write these songs and he ends up writing this saw which is a kind of celebration that is a kind of an anthem as well just WanNa go back a little bit to Woody Guthrie because one of the interesting things but woody Guthrie as most people who knew who watched him perform what they were impressed by was not on his musical ability because many would say he's not the greatest guitar player not even the greatest singer fairly right a metric guitar but he could tell stories and then oftentimes when he would sing he would stop and he would tell stories while he singing singing Yup while he was singing and this is really what captured people this is really woody. Guthrie is still known for yeah a like father like son Arlo Guthrie became famous for recording called Alice's restaurant restaurant analysis restaurant massacre in this this rambling. I think it's like fifteen or twenty minutes song story which is very very funny. It just brilliant is humor against storytelling right <hes> by mean folk music was all about storytelling anyway all man take a look at my life. I'm loyal young you yeah story about that. Relationship Father and son Cat Stevens relationships living life and so unfortunately Steve Goodman passes away but before he passes Willie Nelson finds his tune and he wants to record that to new Willie Nelson records the tune in names the album city of New Orleans events in Onerous Nick Goodman who I think he knew was dying. I mean makes really famous comes number one and the country charts for longtime so he brings it back in a way ten years later at least Johnny cash records towards it. John Denver Records in Sammy Smith records it all kinds of people dylan played it as well and then in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. I think it is Willie. Nelson Wins Grammy Award for that Song and posthumously Steve Goodman is awarded a grammy as the songwriter so he didn't live to see that final accolade and for sure that some if not all people that are listening to this podcast will probably be surprised to even hear his name because I have to be honest with your until we talked about this yeah I really was not familiar with Steve Gooden. Yeah I mean I was generally familiar but not much more than that didn't know that he wrote city of New Orleans. I mean his tunes are not recognizable a few listed and they're not. organizable frankly and he never achieved fame that Guthrie and other for goddess received in those days which is a bit of a shame although he was considered a musicians musician his fellow musicians really recognized how great he was a guitar player as a singer Songwriter and is a fantastic concert with <hes> arlo Guthrie Steve Goodman and white acton together on the stage in nineteen seventy four. You're on Youtube look at our solar. What an incredibly fabulous concerts? The music is so good so strong. musicianship is really there in humor storyteller. You can stop by watching the video just having a good time together together having a great time telling stories in loving the music that they produced an and the whole art of telling stories through songs is really somewhat of a dying art. We don't see that much anymore. <hes> from pop bands and other musicians nations are telling stories so much which is a shame well. Let's also the advent of technology which is also changed not only the music content but the technical aspects of the instruments who are talking about guys with basic acoustic guitars sure yup minimalist in terms of the improvements that they were utilizing in their songs that's right but then the development of technology and remastering old inconsistent tapes stuff where where you can now here Robert Johnson almost crystal clear right <hes> Woody Guthrie you still hit here the hiss and stuff but that's part of the charm right so there's a lot of wonderful things about this kind of music and that's I think that's why we we wanted to highlight it is that it's kind of a dying breed like trains this idea of storytelling an observational lyrics connecting the real people yeah as a kind of a dying breed when we're living in the age of of the Internet Internet and digital and you know holograms and pseudo everything virtual everything these on the ground kinds of stories of trains where you could feel the rumble beneath your feet Hugh Nationally feel grounded. You don't feel on an airplane particularly remember noises yeah the noise tracks clogging clouds wonderful you know as a baby could fall asleep to those noises and Cetera incidentally this tune Steve Goodman's version of it was attuned that they used to wake up the Apollo astronauts astronauts on some of their missions missions that tune was your good morning. America was used to wake them up <hes> also good morning. America was a television show named after that song and then they're surmising that the phrase good morning America came from a poem and book by the same name by Carl Sandberg Painless American poet Arlo also talks about the studio studio sessions and we should play some of that because that's interesting to what they tried to do with it. We tried to do all kinds of things to it in studio we <hes> we tried it up beat. We tried it this way. We tried it slow. We try to sideways. We tried bluegrass. We tried it. You know we actually recorded it from scratch seven times I mean I don't mean just trying to fix an old way actually just worked at work through it out worked at work through it out on the seventh seventh time we ended up with just as very simple plaintiff lopiano guitar little squeeze box and we had some wonderful singers the blackberries and group of guys that really saying between the a simple tin and the the instrumentation and the vocals just became anthem you know in and of itself during those sessions he was backed up by cloudy King and Veneta fields to fantabulous backup singers which Steve Goodman didn't have he was just solo and a lot of the remix are solo but Arlo brought that fuller sound in with those backup singers road were there only songs that are low and is dead together. I searched for I searched for. I couldn't find a one so I doubt it very much. Nothing recorded as far as I can tell. They probably may be played at home. When there was a kid <hes> child amy no not really in our lows time when this came out seventy one seventy two who is the president at the time excellent tricky dicky the Watergate affair close to the end of Vietnam Vietnam still happening to protest songs Woody Guthrie is the ultimate protests folk musician in those days and that pave the way for all kinds of other musicians as oh father and son were essentially doing the same things in two different eras? Yeah I think Arlos a bit of a softer approach but definitely there a cut from the same cloth <hes> while softer approach kind of matches the conditions the times to he lived in a depressed era. That's right Arlo did not that's right. He was on a revolutionary era. Yeah we just come out of the sixties early seventies right but the base of both their music <hes> is to to people's awareness up right by the way. Do we know whether Woody Guthrie enlisted in was actually a merchant marine. Oh he was in fact when he came back. That's when his second marriage happened and he settled settled in New Jersey for awhile and that's our our Lewis Board okay so that's how that worked <hes> all right and important point about Guthrie's music as I've mentioned earlier that he often would change some of his lyrics Alex yes depending on where he was singing who he was addressing and so on and his son Arlo Guthrie and Pete Seeger both made a point of singing the more radical versions of his songs. Oh aww day for example this land is your land yeah also reviving another verse from Guthrie that he wrote but never officially recorded. Oh do you have that burst I do and the verse was scribble on a sheet of a loosely paper now in the possession of his daughter Nora got through and it said one bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple by the relief office I saw my people as they stood hungry. I stood there wondering if God bless America for me powerful powerful Eric's a Nora has no idea why that verse was never used in the recording so this cast is your cast. This cast is my I cast and we are actually in the town of Orangeville not the city of New Orleans <hes> but we are rambling on on our own journey here on this podcast and then we'd love to hear from you and you know we're getting people from a lot of different places that are now listening to this podcast. Yes Anders one place in our own country that <hes> repeatedly comes up. Yes what's that place call and it's called Bullhorn Wa Bohara Noi Quebec Quebec so beautiful sounding name. WHO's out there in Bullhorn Wa and are you listening if you are we'd love to hear from you absolutely in surly we send note say if you wish <hes> we'd be happy to hear from you anyone else listening? 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38: ICYMI - Arlo Gilbert

Technotopia

20:12 min | 1 year ago

38: ICYMI - Arlo Gilbert

"Welcome to the Topi- podcast about a better future. I'm John Biggs Leagues Today. On the show we have our Gilbert. He's thinking about health and the future of robotics. This is technophobia so welcome back to tech Topi. I'm John Biggs and today on the show we have Arlo Gilbert. He's the CEO of Talavera. He's a license angels Orangeburg Corporation and he stood at the University of Texas at Austin. He is thinking about life sciences. He is thinking about investment and he is thinking about essentially telecommunication so you're a you're sort of a triple threat. I guess right I guess at that or either. Add or not sure which one actually gotta you. GotTa show me how to do that how to do multiple things without people yelling at you because I get yelled out a lot that I should. I should focus on one thing but I can't really there's too much cool stuff going on all right so tell us what you're specifically doing. Talavera etcetera so right now I'm the CEO of a company called Talavera health and Entel bureau health. Is We do remote patient monitoring but what we do. That's really cool and different out in that space is we're doing machine learning so so we figure out how to talk to people which is essentially the same kind of thing that marketers and advertisers have been doing for a really long time except we're applying got to healthcare so if the patient goes into hospital and has a procedure dine when they go home they'll go home with our application on on their smartphone and and we have to figure out how to motivate them to do things like take their madison and or call their doctor or do whatever it is that their care team has asked asked him to do and we use machine learning to create a conversation that is best suited to get that person to do the thing we need them to do so for healthcare like they did the computer chats with you yeah yeah so in a sense. It's it's. It's a little early so it's not quite right that complex. It's not to conversation. It's more you get a push notification on your phone asking you to take your blood pressure or to take your medicine but that push notification is very different depending upon whether you're seventy five year old grandmother or a forty year old military veteran and depending upon on how we've classified you're learning and motivational style so the the challenge that healthcare has is that people don't take very good care of themselves. They take better care of other people than they do themselves and so asking somebody to do something. That's their for their own. Good is often met with a lot of resistance so if we can increase creased those engagement rates by a small single digit percentage point. We've oftentimes doubled the level of compliance so so in terms of that's an interesting point so humans don't tend to take themselves but they wanna take care of other people. What do you think that is i. It's a really good question question. I think about it and I think you know. I'm the same way I care a lot about children. I care a lot about my wife and I always tend to put myself second to all the things things I'm doing so. I'm the first one to I'll be up. 'til two in the morning pushing the boundaries of what's what's safe for the amount of sleep. You can have and still drive sure. I think it's just because mentally we are. We're visual visual creatures and we see the people around us. We care about the things we see. We don't see ourselves interesting so we don't see ourselves. We don't so what what is it about the robot like that that would help us down the line would would would it be SORTA. SORTA like our little mirror that would do a remind us that we should probably like eat something. Well Hope. Hopefully all it's doing is reminding us not holding down and making others used to. You're going to eat this super else you're not going to. You're not going to billy's house you know. I don't know what the robe the robots are. An interesting question right because you got got got Google doing all that Boston dynamics staff and I guess they're not doing not any more no of themselves of that but I I was listening to a futurist. Give a speech on just a couple of days days ago in San Francisco for the digital health. SF IN EUROTECH SF and in his belief is that we're going to have rosie the robot from the jetsons got since go within ten years that that that robot gets in our house that's engaging with us and helping our kids to remember to eat their take their vitamins Adamson's and helping us to remember to iron our pants but that will exist and that'll that'll be here soon so I don't know I mean it's. It's you know if you look get Time magazine in Life Magazine back in the fifties. You know you remember the pictures they have flying cars and then they've got like pictures of of of guys is wearing fidora's smoking pipes in their flying win. Worry Poodle dresses irony with their robots right so it's like we can't imagine the parts that we can't imagine so. We were never able to imagine that there was no smoking signs and airplanes but we could imagine flying car. It's pretty crazy so so I I think it's interesting to think about that in terms of like the Rosie the robot helping you with healthcare and helping you with with healthy taking care of yourself and your family to care themselves imagining adjoining where does that. Where are we wrong in that vision. Is it really rosie. The robot or is it that the vitamins are different. The the vitamins are now something that we don't actually take. It's something we inhale through air conditioning vents or you know. I think that's interesting the point of other buster dynamics is actually really important because you're saying that there's GonNa be a robot. That's going to help us help us survive. It's going to take care of us. What Google is essentially betting on and was in in in the near term. They're assuming that all those robots bosses. AMEX is making those are all going to be military robots and the one thing that I suspect Google doesn't want is for is for a bunch of droids. Loyd's to parachute into Afghanistan with Google android inside on the back and that's and they start marching through the city's. Ah That's that I hadn't even thought about that before but to be associated with. That sort of robot is what they don't want what they want to be associated what they want to be associated with the help barreau lottery or happy car robot for example right. Yeah I mean Look I. I think that humans have proven that repeatedly we can take confusing technology and then we have the choice about whether we do amazingly awesome things with or whether we choose to become a bigger scarier place in nuclear energy. He's a great example. I mean nuclear energy issues responsibly could power plants forever and we have cheap electricity that would provide you. It's safer environments for our children clean water all that kind of stuff but then you know you. Have you always have the military that man just find a way to to get their fingers in it somewhere else so China. I'd like to think I'm an optimist and since I don't have the ability to influence whether or not the military does anything. I'd like to think about all the cool cool stuff that can come out of it. I guess what does the what does the world look like. This is their basically flat question. What does the world look like between ten years and in twenty years well. I certainly hope that the the world is a better place and the challenges we have is a species are largely come down to energy and population control which all feeds into things like fresh water water and so. I think there are some really really smart. People doing some amazing things to to improve the life of human beings to try and save the planet. I'm not I'm not a tree hugging environmentalist. I just am pragmatist. I need clean water to drink. I don't die back. It's all pretty selfish. I'd like by kids clean water so I think that in ten years I think that we're making a lot of progress towards awards. Having an environment that is that is cleaner because of cleaner energy and in twenty years I mean Gene God. I'm going to be old. You're going to be able to and he's supposed to be optimistic one we're supposed to we're supposed to live forever well. I guess you'd like my grandmother says it's better than the alternative to sixty. That's a good thing I think in twenty years will be we'll be looking at a a different world. I mean from a healthcare perspective in the things I spend a lot of time looking at you know if you're familiar with crisper surest I was the gene editing tool. I think we're going to see a lot of diseases that just ceased to exist and we're going to see a AH. I mean we're GONNA see things. Alzheimer's be solved in our in our in our young adult lifetime so from a healthcare perspective. I feel very very optimistic about the next ten or twenty years. I think that in twenty years our children are going to be the idea of a smartphone is going to be the obsolete. There will be no such thing it will be. It'll be some sort of contact lands or something. That's communicating directly with the implant in our brain. It sounds so crazy when you say it out loud. I mean people are working on this. I mean I think I think the important thing is. I'm wearing an apple watch right now. I have a computer that that could pretty much display high-resolution graphics measure my heart rate and a few other things knows where I am at all times could communicate with a with another other bigger computer. That's also inside pocket and if you said that to be if you said at the UH US would we're whatever I was born in seventy five. I got my first computer third grade so that was probably what I was like eight say eighty four eighty-five if you said to be back that I would be using a keyboard size Atari eight hundred excel to play to program on a little squares over screed and mess around I would I would probably be. I'd probably laugh because that's what we saw. That's what we understood. Dow All of a sudden we have all this amazing futuristic stuff. We'd appreciate it it's going to be it's going to take another couple years for us to realize what we had at our pockets what we have down which is going to be a pretty basic to yeah. I agree with you. I think you know if you look at Dick Tracy in Star Trek in somehow those guys managed to see the future but but I don't know if you've ever listened to the comedian Louis C. K. about sitting in a chair flanked by the sky with your Internet Internet being angry that the Internet's not exactly yeah we're planning about the I guess the wrong things so so what is it that gives gives. You hope you have kids what it what is it gives you hope about. What's happening right now. This is going to turn to a blasted health scape of of fired briggstone yeah you know. I've I've had a chance have been fortunate with some of the people I've met to to get outside of the business Rome in meet with academics and there are some just amazingly brilliant people who are working tirelessly and selflessly to take technologies that I don't even fully understand and and try and make major world changes with them. I got to participate in a group called the National Science Foundation. I corps and that is a group It's a government sponsored program that helps academics. PhD HD students to to learn how to commercialize their technology because there's a academics are are not easily the most business minded people and you know the things I got to see are people just trying to solve all sorts of amazing problems the group I was involved with it was a chemical engineer. WHO's using nanotechnology uh-huh technology to bind cancer particles so that kind of thing? I see that gives me hope is is just knowing knowing that there are all these people out there who are working really hard to solve big problems and they aren't doing it for financial gain. They're doing it because they're are excited by technology and then you're having children. I think you hope maybe it depends on your children but minor minor acceptable I guess but yeah we'll see yeah so that's interesting so the in terms of I guess what you're saying is that we're we we even as technologists guys look at this all day long some of the stuff that's happening right now. We don't barely even understand at this point. Yeah I mean it's it's it's mind blowing doing the kinds of things that are going on like this the deep learning the tapping the this is this is this new evolution in machine. Learning in Artificial Sean tells us where nobody really understands how it works. Even the people that wrote it you know it's like they kind of created this this deep learning mind product and and they day now just feed it experience but they don't really understand the decision making so even the guys and girls that are writing the code. Don't I know how it all really works. I mean that's the that's the question if we get artificial. Intelligence are going to recognize that it is artificial intelligence. It's good enough. I don't think we are exactly. It's going to be pervasive in this leave. Yeah Iranian can solve good problems right because there are from. It's it's not an economic issue but it's more of a I think just a human issue. There are a lot of really lonely people in the world whether it's elderly people who are kind of at home home in and it's not such a far stretch to take products like maybe the Amazon Echo right and and imagine that having some artificial intelligence baked into it and being conversational with people to the point where somebody who was at home in lonely now feels like they've got a friend so that's that's an interesting point. So how do we stop thinking about this as well. How do we stop. Where do we stop it when we use that sort of technology so think about our kids right now. I don't know if your kids use the IPADS that actively it's hard enough to get them off the damn ipads and I could just imagine an immersive world in which a they exist twenty four seven and what that's going to do their brains on that front. So what do you think is is the solution to reduce preventing us from turning into like just a bunch of just a bunch of corpses in our beds. It was just staring into stirring facebook all day with our with our by moving her eyelids. Get your kids. You've probably seen that movie movie about the little the little alien robot that goes in and saves the echo is what it's called Earth to echo or something like that. It's a story about this. The the the the planet earth is destroyed itself in and we've all gotten on a big spaceship and were driving around the galaxy trying to find a new a new home but the the virtual reality and all of that has gotten so good the human beings become these big fat blobs sit in chairs their their bones have gotten weak and they can't walk and I feel like if view like wally is probably volley earth ECO earth that didn't work out really why they were like a like a forty nine on the tomato meter here Wally Raleigh. That's right yeah. That's that's right yeah but there's a scene where all of a sudden they all get out of their chairs and discover each other. I don't know how I I wish I knew the answer. How do you fix that because you know my children do absolutely spent a lot of time on the screen and me and their mother I spent a Lotta time saying go outside. do something real tangible and I think a lot of that's going to depend on how I think. The question becomes is that really do we decide that the screens are actually okay at at some point in time is virtual reality so good that going outside isn't better than virtual reality. You know if you're getting exercise. That's it's the question yeah so I mean I guess the I guess that I guess that's the that's our next next startup. You've got to build something that's going to keep people from from melting into their into their chairs there was there was a great photo that came out of a south by South West that was making the rounds on the Internet and it was a a virtual reality Demo and there's a picture of a guy with this virtual reality headset on his head and he was on a real bicycle that had the back wheel lifted it up so we'll go where and there was a guy holding a fan in front of his face to create the sensation of the caption was just go outside so I guess I guess the solution is to is to make it what I I can't if you're GONNA if you're in a major city if you're an Japan or if you're Tokyo if you're in New York you don't have enough room for Vr area so I imagine like you're out in Austin. So probably you have a nice sprawling sprawling sprawling homestead where you grow your pecans and everything so I can imagine that there might be room for maybe a VR area but as it stands right now we are unless we sit in front of our computers with our hands inside the gloves and the and the goggles on and don't move it's really not conducive but the real the real fun is actually moving around inside of a game world which is massively realistic indeed. I I had a very good friend with a friend of mine who's doing VR content production and going forward probably a conversation for another day we were questioning where we'll games and and where will movies began in what does a story look like if that story can be viewed from different angles zip a lot of exciting stuff happening very cool cool so where can people find out more about what you're working on so you can visit. Talavera DOT COM T. E. L. E. R. Dot Com and you know if anybody involved in healthcare is trying to change their outcomes. We'd be happy to help and of course you can follow me on twitter at Arlo Gilbert all right. Thank you very much. This has been Tokyo. I'm John Biggs and we will see you next week. Thanks for listening.

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How to Find the Perfect Suitcase

Travelogue

1:15:41 hr | 2 years ago

How to Find the Perfect Suitcase

"Four. Welcome and happy Friday. This travelogue the podcast of communist traveler, and I'm here in the podcast studios with while they are glue, Carina, Quinn and Sebastian Motech whose name misspelled in my show notes, Sebastian pain. That's when you do your medal, your sort of dark metal band stain with the capital. Pentagram all those people in case you didn't know are excellent at spelling as I am not, and they're all editors four Conde nast traveler. My name is Brad Rickman, and we're gonna talk today about what makes a great piece of luggage. So Lalla gets plaudits and many glass clinks like whatever those things are called. Yes, thank you. Sound effects solar wanted to for shepherding are and largely just producing our global complete guide to packing which is live on the side of this week. So you spent a lot of time in luggage, physically. Into this. Inside. Poss TSA. In the back and killing eve on everyone's minds, because do you remember this? Have you watched it yet? Won't spoil it for luggage has a role. Sounds very sinister anyway. So what does make a great piece of luggage? What do we look for in a really good, let's say, carry on bag. Let's start with that. I think it depends travel you all everyone's looking for something different. Like some people think that having about tree Bill into cases, the most important thing you can have now and other people just want something that works. I mean, I think there's many different comes, but I'm gonna go even more basic than that, like four your clothes for your basic packing stuff. Like with the battery, we can talk about the batteries, but what are you look for and wet bags have made you the happiest? I think bags designed to make you a better Paca. Okay. That have like whether it's, you know, some sort of internal divider or one of those. Are they all that like Nettie mentioning anything that helps you organize yourself? Because I'm not an organized passan and in very much. Bike, sit on my suitcase and hype. It will just somehow magically crimson. Have you used any of those things? Like what have you seen in that category that does really good job for you? Just discovered packing cubes, didn't know if anyone's try to pack a game changer. For short haul trips. I think when you have smaller luggage that you're carrying through, does it mean that you can take less stuff at the end of the day? That's what I always worry about what the packing cubes. Now I find the opposite with you take more stuff. Yes, because it compacts it and organizes it, which I think it like going to law as point is that if you have a disorganized situation within your suitcase, you can't find things you don't know what you have. So it tends to kind of be in disarray. But once you organize all of it and section, Dow you, you kind of know exactly what you've got what goes where. And I found that I can actually fit in more than you have like packing cubes that are specifically designed for a certain bag. Right? So like the pack queues fill the entire surface area of that bag. So you're not wasting any space, but everything is super organized and it's also great for packing because a lot of times they're, you know, you can have pack and devoted to different things labelled as such. So then you know you're not forgetting anything because you're like, oh, this says underwear on it. And swirling underwear goes, or this says, charging cables. They're only charge. Cables, go know you don't forget and then check was at the same time. Yeah. When it's time to leave, you can repack to like go home very quickly to. I'm also one of those people who frequently unpack on vacation like I will just pull things out of my suitcase in becomes more and more of the slight unruly mound. Whereas packing keeps kind of like, saves you from yourself because the everything's divided up. You can find things so easily that also really good if you're doing like a multi city trip and you have to have like different types of clothing for like different destinations, different weather, and you can. She just organize it in times of all right, and this cube, this is like that weekend in this place and so on. I was likely if you need to grab something quickly, you can find it very fast with the cubes. Yeah. So cubes are the star. Good foundation will who does cubes. Well, peak. You're just talking about this backpack, but it actually really, it's brand new. I think you can only pre-order it right now. It was crowd funded, but they did an amazing job with packing. They made this backpack super versatile, you know, has like multiples zipper so that you can access it from the back. But also like you can sling the backpack down to its side and exit from the side. So pick design. The company does a lot with photography accessories. The backpack was I think, conceive with photographers in mind, but not just limited to that, but that means that, you know, besides all the other bells and whistles, there's this system of packing cubes and packing pouches that are the cubes themselves are designed for specific purposes. So you can get the camera cube, which is perfect for fitting a camera in your lenses or the other tech accessory cube. So it's perfect for fitting different taxis. And like I said earlier, you know, it's an example of where the keeps fit perfectly into the dimensions of your backpack. So it's just like a way to organize if your as your carry on, especially if you're involved in photography or. Something else kind of tech focused. So peak packing keeps coming with the actual luggage itself, and so built to fit into it and base in it. And it's, it's, it's it's modular so you don't have to get all the packing caves if you don't want. If you're not a photographer, you're not gonna want the camera packing cube, right? If you rely on your phone for photography. But I think it's like when you order it, you can kind of mix and match, however fits what you like to do with your backpack. So how big is the backpack? So it's not thing. It's forty five leaders. So it's a big backpack forty, five liters, but it's collapsible as well. So it goes down it loses like ten liters so it can be your day pack as well. So you extensively like go somewhere with it with all your shit and your backpack unpacking the hotel room and then zip it down to a smaller size as your day pack when you're out walking around the city, would you use something like that as your like your main carry on, or would you use it as as the sort of secondary bag that you have with you? I could see myself if I was going somewhere for five days. For example, this is the kind of backpack that's all. You need because everything would be in there. My laptop close for five days, my camera and everything else. But then I think if it's a longer trip like this plus a carry on roller, and you're good to go and you don't have to check anything in your set. Does it fit under his seat? Get it does. Okay. So you could have carry on up above else. Like if you were walking through the gate with the backpack, like it just doesn't ring the same alarm bells to the gate agents that any bag on wheels does because I've like been forced to check my carry on before and seen like people with massive back, just dislike glide poss-. 'cause it's not a suitcase currently traveled with this eagle creek backpack, which is about this big, maybe even bigger and it's waterproof, which is another great thing to have in luggage in my opinion, but it's huge. Like if I put it next to my roller suitcase, like it's pretty much the same size, but because it's on my back, just doesn't ring any bells when I walk right through with my pulling my bag and I have the backpack. Some bro that like breezes through. Even more than the backpacks because you see people with these giant sort of sporty devils and full of stuff, and they're enormous, and they're taking two slots in the carry on the people that put the wrong way. And then they're like it's full. I've done hate that. We don't like those people. Do you look for in carry on itself like the shell outside? What kinds of things are you looking for when you go to buy one of those? I like hardshell, but maybe something that had a really great suitcase that she was like, no. Cool. And anyway, but it just had this little kind of extra zip it that you could detach or expand expand, and then you like inevitably on the way back, you just have more stuff. You could always it was a miracle worker. Anything goes are amazing, amazing. Anything that gives you more space on Overton trip. This brand power vol that we've written about a lot. We just interviewed co-founder, injured, Rockefeller, and they have this thing called stowaway, and it's a collapsible bag that's like made out with is very lightweight material that you can collapse be completely flat. So you just put it at the bottom. If you'll see case when you go away seeing that, and then on the way back when you've like a bunch of stuff. Clothes, souvenirs food, whatever you can open up the stowaway, keep it as you'll carry on check. They'll the bag and you'll like saved, but it takes up no room. It's a miracle Waqa my weekend or that I use is like large format Longchamp, but it's nylon and waterproof. It doesn't it like I've had it for ten years shows nowhere and tear it has zipper in the bottom so you can expand it if you acquire more things on your trip. But if it's empty, it folds up to a pouch, like not any bigger than this little notebook that I'm holding here. So I can pack into anything last minute. If I think another bag coming back or just when I'm home, I can stowed away without worrying about space that is it carry on even when expanded. Yes, it is. But to the duffel example, it's like an annoying carry on if I'm going for like weekend trips or workshops or whatever. I have a hard clam shell. You mentioned parallel what other companies are doing interesting work right now, in your opinion? I mean, I think we have this conversation was about way which I think people very lighting done, but. But they're divided the set the stage for away for for the two people. Podcast ads. I don't know what a way. What's the way say it was founded by these two women, Jen review, and Stephanie Corey. I think it was three years ago now, and they went one of the fuss about tree in this in a suitcase, but they were like among them and they've kind of like anyone that has sought on the subway and seeing as cast the mattresses. It's a very similar kind of identities. And so they started off just with a very small collection of carry on's the big carry on and checked by all. How show all the same design have this ah features the, you know, thinking about how to accommodate peoples, like packing needs, lack of packing schools. What do you think was because I always wondered this, I think a is fine, but what was the leap that they made other than the battery? I actually think it was like they took design features that light brands light Ramona had been doing for a very long time at very high prices and they just did them at a more photo price. Yeah, they made it at a really acceptable price point yet. It's like enough that you feel that you'll definitely making an investment in your spending quite low of money, but not so much that you think is unreasonable. You'll like two hundred fifty dollars for a carry on that supposed to loss me. The however many years, maybe this isn't most insane thing, and then you see everyone in the app one with one and you get tricked into buying it. Do you have one? I do have one and you use it? Is it all the time, but I will say that I actually never used about tree. I have one of the. So on an aside back earlier, this yet line regulations introduced saying that you could not bring a lithium battery inside a suitcase on both plane to be removed and carried separately. It was kind of, I think the fair was it was going to be the same that those Samsung phones did when they like spontaneously combusted. And so I have one of fuss designs. They had where you can't pull the battery out easily like you can't do now and so like you. I had to remove it with a screwdriver from light the interior of my suitcase. So now I just like never used the battery, but. Signed very well. They figured it out about may have a better design now, but it made me realize like pass any like, gosh, she knows something, but I haven't you decide when you use it before you took it out, forgot to charge it. Forget to charge the case. And so then I couldn't trust my phone. So it was just like completely like. Yeah, and it's worth pointing out that like away being one of kind of the first to do this quote, unquote, smart luggage thing, which we can get into the other two are bankrupt and out of business. Now who did just batteries who started were like one of the first smart which had to file for insolvency and sold all its assets to travel pro and Raydon was the other one which also went under shortly after their other brands. No, but I, I. Lasted and why? Okay. Guys. That's my brand. All right. So take a minute because we do need to talk about smart luggage, I think, is talking about sort of what's changed. I think we can go back to parallel to because they're parallel is interesting for more than just their their keeps or whatever, but Arlo sky. Why do you like the guy? All right for me with packing its form and function because I feel like when you're traveling, you just kinda wanna feel like I travel a lot for work. I want to feel sort of buttoned up or at least like I'm representing well enough, but also I want to be an organized efficient Packer, like you were saying, and Arlo sky was started with alums from to me another favourite brand mine for luggage and Louis Vitton. And what am I one of the complaints I have about away, which is exactly why the models successful is that they took very smart, very savvy design features. And then I think sort of brought them down several, not just to make it more affordable. So I found it kind of derivative. Like what I like about Arlo sky is you pay more money, but like nothing is going to last me forever the same. I. A to me from two thousand and two that still has as in good condition as ever. But Arlo sky has a couple of features that I like a lot. All of the materials like from the exterior hard shell like just can withstand any sort of beating. It's aluminum, aluminum by carbon. Is poorly covenant of, I think. Yeah, it it's lightweight. The interiors are anti microbial which I have no idea what that means that I will tell you my brother who was on the road, it might brothers on the road all the time for work, and he was like, amazing. Whatever. I mean, it's. One of my favorite features actually there to futures. The wheels are very special patented kind of designed from Japan that just like handles bumps and moving through the airport seamlessly. I can get around anyone like different configurations with the wheels, which I like. But the biggest thing is that they did some testing when they created this design and they learned that most damage comes on luggage at the super like where the wear and tear in the breakage happens. So it doesn't have his upper. It has a approved lock and code, and that is huge for me. Zip is only a way back broke. Less for that and people love it. I would rather pay more and know that like I got all the features I needed at the level I need so that it lasts me longer in five years. I was having to leave the apple when it as well, and there's Twose's, but I was like, it's too late to unpack everything and repack I have to go because I was going to miss my flight. And so then I had to do with one zipper, and that was like a whole day. Good too lazy to get fixed. Right. You're just going to buy another. Yeah, which is, I think the idea with a lot of those like because. Imputes. The best store and they will make those repes- view. Right. And when anyone that has one of the again, I'm incredibly lazy person. That's never gonna trundle my carry on into SoHo on a Saturday to get this done. But if you go into this store and you have one of the old battery packs, they will like fix you'll case to have it like way in which you can remove it. Yeah, it's worth noting like once you get to a certain level of of luggage creators to me remote any of them and away all have really good warranty or repair program. So even if you're past the warranty, often there, something you can do. You can get it fixed or refurbished vary for at low cost, and they'll do it happily just wanna take a moment to point out that these two suitcases you'll get away and many others, and you look at the sky, they're very similar in many respects, both those fold in the middle kinds of things as opposed to zippers that are off center, whatever. And I think I point that out only because I think it creates an. Additional problem with the away, suitcase, having zipper and the Arlo sky, not having this is kind of better because the zipper feels like this flimsy point, especially if you've got a lot of stuff packed in either side. You've got these two halves that feel heavy and you bring them together and it's like this thing that feels kind of flimsy holding them together. Whereas the sky has those clamps that just sort of banging it can be a little harder to close them. If you're like, over-packed, you know, if you've ever packed compromising this is back to your point at the very beginning Lal as like when I like about both of these cases is they force you to edit because there's the heart, I guess this true of hard shells generally, but like you can't. There's only so much stuff you can get in that Arlo sky and it's going to police that pretty, you know, aggressively for you. But if you play around because I'm lame, you can fit more than you think it's all about with going back to packing cubes and other things you have to be really everything has a place. And if you once you figure out what the puzzle pieces are and how they fit. I definitely need to go on record. Seconding your thing about the wheels. There is something about those we that is just magical. And I, if nothing else, but the wheels, I'm just like. The in the buckle buckles or the class or whatever they are, but the are better. It, it pops right out. I know. But the port takes like enough space for you could have fit like two extra pairs of socks in there. It does. It does need to extra this talking about forcing stuff into a bag. Fact, will you in China and like shit. I don't have to extra. Hundred percent. I borrowed, what would I bought a beautiful bag? And I looked great using it, but the thing that we haven't talked about but this design, right, and that is so beautiful designed bag. What do you think about the away design? What do you guys think about that? I mean, I think that super clever in the way they roll out these limited edition colors, TV, celebrity cop, rations designs, incredibly simple. And so I think when people like full for a new one, it's because it's like this shape, particular share of blue. They really one or like the rose gold or dumdum, and you want the millennial. Minion, yellow. My nephews are all over it. So you like. With a minion. Yeah, I would not be surprised. The shoes go with it. The very, sometimes the collaborations stretches though, right? It's like the Star Wars collaboration has just like, great. It's just a gray suitcase. It has a picture on it or has like. Abstract interpretation of the death star's away. Suitcases look like something that came off the death star anyway, just in terms of the shape and the way the little blinds happened on an industrial. Yeah. Star, and there's a million ways. In an airport, which is the point. Interest would you buy your kid kids away by. Like a minion yet something you'd out she spent money on? Yeah, about yourself minions. I mean, not yet. He's not at the point where he needs something of his own. Like he sort of us are sort of secondary bags like boulder bags, and he doesn't pack himself in the only thing he passes a backpack. I think by the time you get old enough to have your back. You too. All to have the. I don't. But I also think they're so close. I'm sure to another rollout partnership that will speak to that age group too, and we'll nail it. Yeah, they do that smartly. Well, then I think what star collaboration? Yes. I think what they've done really well is the, you know, you kind of lamenting that they took all those great design features that you could get more expensive bags and like like kind of cheap fight them, but that's like a type of travel that exists now that can afford to travel more than ever but still full those remote Louisville and bags and Sunday. She have like self include. Hit my price. Table publishing everybody, not find it. I put off scout Instagram just about like what sort of luggage people used them, whether they liked it, and I go to lot of DM's from people from, you know, follow his and rita's saying that they had an away bag or by akin to that, and it was like Beth nice piece of luggage that had and these people who were like the tea like, that's cool. Like like going awfulness trip off the high school, something they've been traveling for years, but this is the first time when they haven't been using like a piece of luggage kind of embarrassed of, right. I think that's really important, and I think that doesn't under appreciated thing that away did and Arlo sky kind of piggybacked on at a slightly higher price point. Right is you had a lot of people for whom luggage was just a thing you had to have and suddenly away gave them the opportunity to think about it. It's almost like entry level luxury cars, right? Suddenly you can actually think about this piece of luggage as a thing. And as thing that's doing things for you, and that represents you in a certain kind of way and think about packing in a little bit more than a pragmatic, just get shit into the bag kind of way and away opened the door for that by giving them that price point that was expensive but accessible. Like if you really were willing to prioritize it and then making it tasty by putting I dunno minions on another brand that law. That's what makes something put millions on it. Come on. Ten year old children. But yeah, this Brown launched earlier this year could roam which again was to me exacts behind. It looks really cool. I was really into that until I was like, I should get one. Try. Look tonight looked at the price rate. Okay. Ex experience. When when I was talking to the, I think the impression ideal is that relying on the people that you know the millennials will. You go, hook, don't away and then they're like, oh, not grade. And that's when they'll like invest in something that's like. Super customizable, do every down to the color of your wheels, like every color imaginable. But is it just about color, like how it looks or is it customizable in terms of features and that like you may not care about a battery or. I might been up at apparently wheels or big deal to me like how they have about treat, and I think that was a cause they were launching right when. Yeah. Changed and they were like, we're just not going to play with files because it's do pit to begin with one. Can I talk about this chopping. Just can't hold you back anymore. Yeah, I just think smart luggage was like, quote, unquote smart. The way it was marketed as a piece of luggage with a battery in it. Yes, about smart luggage is more than just about it. The better. Win the term smart legs first appeared. It was smartly bluetooth, but that wasn't even part of it. At the beginning, I feel like it was as long as it had a battery in it. You could call it smart luggage in your ad. A away was guilty of this too. At the beginning to they like smart bags, whatever. Then they've, they've chilled out on that since because I think they've realized that stupid, especially in light of the new regulations about bringing that thing on the plane. Yeah. So there's like smart luggage, in terms of it was marketed in a clever way versus like what to you qualify as a smart. I'll get to that. And actually I don't think it really has anything to do with technology because I don't like the airline is tracking your bag and you're not gonna get her every time. It goes through a checkpoint some point, this guy, and you're telling you about it, though. You can ask you go to the counter, you say where they will tell you into that county. Any counter China. What I'm saying is like. So this is like three years ago, four years ago. So I right around the time that away kind of started to, I don't know when away started, but but I went into the MoMA store in so hope like Chris love that store. And there was a bag there that had like WI fi, you know, it would create a wifi hotspot and had the battery in it. I don't remember the brand. Your phone creates hotspots? Yes, I know. But my point is just that that was the sort of smart luggage paradigm. I know awake created a sort of mass market for it or tapped into a mass market for, but there were these pioneers who were pudding every fucking like quote, unquote, digital thing, they could think of into the bag. And I think that the the category of smart luggage is broader than just the batteries that you're talking to agree. Agree. I think it's all pretty stupid. With you about that? I was starting with the battery to say to make a point. It was very stupid to like market your new product as being revolutionary because it has a battery in at the size of like a fucking hard drive when you could buy one the size of like a business card for twenty dollars that fits into your wallet. And like the thing was this bag comes with the battery. Wow, you put a power Bank inside something. You can go buy power Bank at CVS, you know? Okay. Like keep devils. So like you're a nerd, right? You know that you can go do that. You know wherever, and you have all kinds of, you know, knowledge about this thing and I do because I'm a nerd too, but regular people don't you feel like at some level, this was like, oh, that's really cool. I would never ever go on Amazon and search for portable battery. USB battery will also like you guys know me is like one of the most organized uptight people in the office. Thanks read, I forget my charter everywhere I go. That's like one of my achilles power Bank. Forget it too. Josh, the back. All of these things could help me and I would buy into that. Anger comes from the fact that they took this thing that's like, can we call it rage, they literally, and they made that the selling point for this new kind of revolution in suitcases to parallel the roller board or the, you know, moving from trunk to wheels. And now it's biting back, right? Because regulations because these things are exploding because it's lithium ion, it's like it's like it's like the mini disc of of innovation. People got. Stoked, and then they're like, hey, wait, it's just a fucking CD slower. In a case. Yeah. And that died really quick to defend. Because at least you can take the battery out and actually use it to charge your phone because it's just a regular bad. It's a really like ugly cumbersome battery sky sexually. Yeah, I left mine in a in the seat back pocket at one point in loss to now. But you can replace it, you know, to his on his time. So to his point fair or if I go onto Amazon and by an anchor battery of like the same or greater capacity, I can get it for twenty five dollars. The guy when costs seventy five dollars replaces ridiculous. Ten thousand Milly amp, which I know you don't care. So. The luggage with its customized own Sam smart. That is smart to me what is their replacement, but is smart. I don't know what happens if you lose the using the cubes, like I don't know, but I'm saying to me, it's smart like things like that is smart like Rome coming up with the thing where you could really customize every part of your luggage to really make it your own. So you're not another away suitcase at the airport. That's smart to me as a business move something that has packing cubes that fit perfectly into your bag so that you can really organize your shit. That's smart. People are talking about robotic luggage that follows you St.. Smart. Anything to do. Really does not make it like necessarily smart and that. Yeah, I'm someone who writes about technology. Yes, yes. I know. So we should believe you. Of riches situation going on. I feel like Lawley is about to speak to now. I hate technology. A mini disco. I don't know. One of the only joys of flying now is the fact that like no one can reach me and even that's gang hotter. You can like have WI fi. I want my phone charged one on traveling. This won't people to. He's fired, just want some peace and quiet and to be excited about my holiday and not have to tax anyone if my phone dies. So be it. Is there anything better than when you promise everyone? I'm on a flight that whole flight I will. I will log in and I will get back to all of this then. And then you get in the wife is down near like son of a b. sing canvas. Although I was on. Flight recently. They taken the in-flight entertainment screens out of those seat box. And instead now you have to log in on the app and watch it on your phone or ipod, but the wifi wifi wasn't working. So then you could look into watch the stuff. So it was just like grave seats topic. When you're in an airport international airport, and you try to go to the wifi and it sends you a confirmation code to your Email. You're like, wait, are you kidding joke off smart luggage thing that I do think we are supporting Sabah's point about technology doesn't equal smart. I'm like, I'm done with technology. Oh, travel with a power Bank, obviously accepted in Egypt 'cause they take it away from you and China, if they'll take it away for good tip pro tip, if it doesn't have as certain, if it doesn't have the power that it had like labeled the power that it has on it actually. The battery. Over a certain threshold. You can't bring it under over a certain threshold. You terrible. Oh. I turned away at the door. I had one that like didn't have on it. So I wasn't able to tell them out and they took it away point. Is that like all the energy that they've put into doing this thing could go into real suitcase innovation, which I think is like lagged considerably considering like we haven't really done much to the suitcase for the past winning. I don't know like things like the stuff that's the innovations that are going on around organization now is really cool innovations that are going on around design making the wheels that you guys are talking about and how good they are. You know, that sounds like a good idea. It took them like I have. I have the numbers here consults the internet Solta piece that I wrote. Work, get self-referential. It took a hundred years to go from steamer trunk to roller board suitcase. When the first roller board came out. The it, like we figured out how to land on the moon in short amount of time wheels on a c. case. And then another seventeen for sales IPE for they got deep for Samsonite come out another seventeen after that seventeen years percents to be like, oh shit. What if we put two more wheels on that and invent the spinner, which is the standard now I did see that there are a lot of models that are two wheelers for carry on's and I don't understand what the advantage of that is. Oh, there's not too. I just don't feel it cheaper, just cheaper, less stuff to break, I guess, but just make good wheels. They do break a lot, I guess, is a thing the mind haven't, but I hear this. Now's, we have our list guy. Yeah, we have the good ones. This idea of having organization within the suitcase doesn't have to be complicated. Right. I feel like total both away and Arlo sky not to keep sticking with these, but they're, they're sort of the same model. They help you do this in a really basic way just by having those containers that are mostly give you. Another example of is a place that we haven't really written about because it's not. I don't think it's as quite as fashionable, but as a company called genius pack, which I, I have to suitcases from them. Not approve. Sounds cool. It's his pack. Hard case back, no fucking battery to be seen within miles of it, and but it does have you know it has the the back laundry compartment just to throw your duty shits. You don't have to carry with you. It has an entire section of labeled compartments as well. They're not cubes part of the bag, but there's label compartments. You don't have to use them for the express purpose that they're telling you to use them, but it's labeled, you know, socks, whatever electron IX, and you can really just throw your stuff in there. It's got a checklist on the side of the bag, built into the fabric of like things you might be bringing with you. So you can look at it right before you leave. Just like quickly glance and be like, oh, shit chargers. Forgot that little things like that. That's great. I have a question he he's you, did you'll big trip to Greenland and you've got to have a very specific packing list. What luggage did you bring with the? I brought this genius pack check in bag. Because I was gone for two weeks and a moisture monitoring waterproof, keep it g. The journey was like Minniti monitoring, waterproof backpack for camera gear and electron IX. You wait about fungus on the lens, we're. Yeah, exactly. And just general moisture. I'm going to be in the water and walking on ice and shit. You know, you could use that peak. I could have, if yeah. I would've been perfect anyway. Sorry, I didn't have to do with my genius pack rent. This'll go. All of us going to say is just even a simple thing as those full form flat pockets that sit on top of each side of the bag in those kind of like clam shell type bags will force you to organize what you're doing. And I say this, I had never thought about this that much, but I took a recent trip I went to London with it was work trip with a couple of other people. And at some point I had to like, I don't know. I open the bag for some reason. And one of my colleagues was like, oh, you're such an organized. Packer was like, no, no one ever ever use the word organize in conjunction with me in any way, shape or form. And I realize it was just because the bag had made me be that way because it sort of forces you into that space and then forces you to press down on that space and everything kind of an and that was without cubes keeps would make that even more taken that mesh away for that particular model. We have. So I have turned to the cubes and I find that even better. I'm not happy with the the mesh away fairly adopter. What do people do about shoes? Do you like. Shoes shoes shoes was I love the idea of these bags for your shoes to pack in, but it's not at all. Feasible leave have to spread them out around the corners. How do you handle that? Well, I I have depending on the luggage. I'm using like if I have a bad like a duffle style or rekindle bag, right? Like they can just like create the bottom layer and then you build over at or enroll but irregular. But so. Yeah. Try and create a rectangle as best you can. They go in a bag and then it goes into this duffel or movable mesh bag. Right. That's like your weekend. All right. And then you get into your hard clam shell and that's when they have to go around, like heels to corner. Oh, and then in this center where you have space, and then if you get into checked baggage, do you put the shoes to save space there? I don't. Unlike said, I'm not really a fan. Also only ever really bring like the pair of shoes that I'm wearing when I leave. What do you do it on the to sit next to each other? All got pack. Back in one pair of but ten years, and I've never been excused cues being fashionable. Go to quote about luggage passion if you wanna hear. Yes, the. Source from marks. I, I'm actually curious what you guys will say to this, the founder of Raden like company that was kind of competing with a way and then went under recently fest to put. Yes, they were before, yeah way. Did something right that right into, but pretty callers. Pink. The the owner basically said that he thought his model was doomed from the start regardless of the battery thing because he said quote, it's not going to work to treat suitcases like a fashion item, millennials in New York and San Francisco don't have space for a bunch of suitcases that match their outfit right. Brings us Tara go. They want the one and that's where away figured that out as they brought it to them. What about parallel now? Genius. Genius fact handle the black and gray. Have wings. Focuses on a competing different set of goals. I think that much more about, I think they think a lot more about the visual and that's not to say that like away all their skied good because I think they do really good, but it's really fun. It's really fun brand and the colors, gray, and it's this site sort of retro slightly light was and deceit type style to it, which is super fun. Am I going to take a powerful bag for like two weeks in the Arctic like no, like what? I take it to Europe for a long weekend, like a hundred percent. They have like duffel. Again, they they have like a suitcase on wheels. It's it's very carry-on focused and a lot of more we can short trips, no batteries, not just like beautifully made backs that are visually visually look great, yeah. Said in your in your view or in the intro to your interview. With Indra. You said they brought the romance back? Yeah, they have good way to put it. That's that kind of that was really nice. Keep Brad, maybe think about writing. Maybe? No, but they do have a style, they prioritize style. Do you feel like they do that because you've actually used them? I haven't used them. I think they look great and love to have one. I think the weekend is really great. You know, they sort of have that that style, but do you feel like they do that at the sacrifice of things that actually matter like practicality or have they managed to balance those? I think what they've they've been quite good is coming up with lots of packing tricks and sneaky. Little features allow you to fit more in. So they have like packing in like all these like pope in colors that are just like super fun and like look, really great slotted into your larger bag. They have a lot of things that are like collapsible or expandable bags within bags of cross bodies. When you're going through the app, what creator and bradtha feverishly look. Remember I remember this from editing a piece from the pack guide, but that like some of them are like waterproofing shit too. That's hugely practical. That for me is like the number one thing. I think every bag should be waterproof. Microbe e and no brainer. You're like. Suitcases aren't because sometimes like the, you know, the outer shell will be pretty waterproof, but as soon as the water hits that zipper area everything in your bags wet when it comes and if you're checking in a bag and it sitting on some tarmac somewhere in a storm because of a delay you get to your destination, you open your bag. Everything's fucking soaked. Yeah, they everything actually happened to you. Oh, happened to me. I went to, we were in Mexico. This is a number of years ago and we got caught in absolute deluge in the sort of rainforests in Chapas and we got, we had to pick the luggage up off. It was literally like a flood. Everything was just kind of going bananas because it's rainforest and we had to pick the stuff up. And meanwhile, it was just like leaking everywhere. And we we complete like our stuff completely soaked. That's awful. Hang it. On chairs at the next, do you have any electronics? And they're like my carry on my back, you know, carry on primarily my backpack, and then it's maybe a suitcase with it, but my backpack it all it has to be, what do you have hack in a certain way to protect certain things to waterproof back. So. Eagle creek has zipper us right now, eagle creek, but it's wouldn't water silly the zipper areas, what they call water resistant and the actual rest of super waterproof. It means because it tries really hard. Can take a little bit. So if it's raining like you're gonna be okay if you've dunk thing in the ocean, like maybe not. But then I have, you know, like when I went to the Arctic, I have a backpack made by this Chinese company in regard that did a kick starter for this backpack that, like I said, is a hundred percent waterproof. It's a seal at the top it even like I said, it has a bluetooth monitor to tell you if it's getting to humid inside of it so that your camera gear safe, you'll get an alert if you're if it's getting dangerous. More than me jealous onto really feeling. Of my nerdy designed back. The peak designed, you're talking about ready like pretty water, water resistant, but it also has, you know, like a rain hood that you can just pull out and just put over it so that everything's secure. 'cause like that's really what's going to be. You've home and you open your carry on and your laptop and your camera, and you know all your chords and shit making me nervous because the reason why I haven't taken that thing home and actually tried to use it is because it has so many fucking pockets and things to deal with Washington -scribed like one hundred things like I, this is this is the thing that I have discovered is that I thought I would like all of those things, but what I really like the most I can take what's in that Arlo sky bag, which is like the two slabs sit on top of everything this j. crew bag. I don't even know if it's waterproof. I hope it is because it's it's, it's canvas. And the only thing that has displaced are the sky because I love how simple it was. It's like one compartment. There are no places to put your laptop. There's no whatever you have to think about, like, does the thing that is fragile. I don't know. I know you enough that if you into like learning this peak designed bag, you would never go back and. Would have your system is so into the system, and you'd have all your tablets and nurture. Yeah, put in the time only. How's the bandwidth for so much today? Like you're asking him to stretch beyond which he would welcome the stretch beyond is car in there. He's at max back off. Okay. So we've talked about carry on's, which are the most important thing, but what else is there to talk about in this realm? Do you guys check, I think, is revealing that we spent this long came about carry-ons I do though, do you on the truth? I feel like bags once they get big, we have one of these big bags. I don't use it lower uses it, and I just like I can't go near to normal if feels like a gigantic thing. When I hit ten days after ten days, I feel like I have to check unless I'm going to do laundry on the road which saw week or more, but I. Carry on how I've heard this. I can't do it. I did. I was in an Hoffa through an abbey the how to like a washer. It was great, and it was like I was in like talking Greece in the summer, like I wasn't packing sweaters and toured with the bed for like a month and just carry on because you know, you're gonna hit somewhere with a laundromat or something at some point, right. Sorry. But what if it's just like a trip like the trip I just attended nesia was two weeks. I had to check in certain points. If like along the way you're hitting a wedding and there's two nights of special dress and all of that stuff, you know, I think that can really add up, but it's funny you say that because my large check bag is that to me that I've had from two thousand to two thousand three and it can be carried on. It's just larger than the Arlos guy and it's expandable. Okay. It's the international expandable getting like taking it. Oddly enough. I got to a point where with recent regulations and I'd gotten so dependent upon the Arlo sky. It's also I've got the clam shell with Arlos guy, but this one's nylon. So it's it's a little malleable like that. Do you. They use the Arlo the early, like I have my my grades, so I have the weekend islander, like duffel type thing. And then three to five days, especially for work is are low and then her chills in fashion or hotels item. But I'm not the person to ask. I. The way police kind of your job to know have answered. They are. Right. I mean, none of these places are making. It's making payroll. Exception. Make like the small little duffle to go with. Cool actually has little thing. Attach is slowly option. I feel like in the nineties. American tourist, or you know, giant canvas suitcase. My family until like literally like two years ago I was using like a very average but reliable nylon bag. I like got ten years. Rip stop nylon, who knows? I have no idea. I hope so. Genius is definitely rip stop. To me recently for a long term and had been so long since I used it, but like I don't replace it because I love it and I asked him, I was like, is this to pass carry on? I really don't want to check it and they're like, it's the carry on model larger than most keep downsizing, soft, soft, suitcase. Old. Thought you to tag. Your flipped like Motorola? I convinced myself that taking a carry on is gonna make my apple and flying experience less stressful. I'm not sure if it does discuss on agree with you because now that is poss- yet every time I've taken a carry on onto a plane. There is the like electric anxiety in the gate. Everyone with that carry on trying to make. Yup. And get an overhead. Yeah, and it. I mean, it's like brutal out that like people to mean if I'm going to, if I'm not making a connection, I'm just going to straight to a destination. I, I'll be the first one up to volunteer. The free. Packing kit. Nice gate, Chuck it. That's fine. What I got unlike a shuttle between New York and DC the other week was that the only space for my overhead carry on which is not their guy. I had to walk back a good twenty twenty five aisles. So I was like in seven, but my back thirty. So I has let the whole plane Debord before I could get oracle. It's Mouna time, but like more stifling, I don't know stupid things over your head and. Operating for shuttles, you're operating off of old flights like they, they haven't adjusted the luggage carriers and people don't know the book spine. I don't know the term, but like when you align the bag the way it should upright but the skinniest. Yes. Right. Where people. Sense. People don't use it. Never. So we've talked about the exterior of the suitcase, and we've talked many times on this podcast and elsewhere about rolling flat backing, but what can we offer to listeners about packing itself filling the suitcase. We have certainly recommended the packing cube, yes. I think there's no question about that. I'm gonna run out and buy some. I'm going to get those parallel Menin, yellow. I'm gonna get it away. Minion bag and I'm gonna get a away a parallel minion, yellow packing trio, and I'm going to be a super happy guy. But other than that, what secrets do you guys have? I've already divulged the put things inside your shoes, roll roll roller. I am really within the cube, do empirically tested this, and we came the key mind blowing like counter and choose of to you. I can fit more on that Arlos guy than any other. No, empirically. What did you imperiously? Because I promise. Did it, but longtime listeners will remember, Jana, she had deserted, but she and her husband who was a photographer, did a test where they rolled the same amount of luggage and flat pack the same amount of luggage. And and then you know, tried to fill suitcase and they got more in as flat pack than they did as rolling the cubes. I got from eagle creek actually. So if if you're picturing clam shell on one side, the smaller pieces which are like intimates and your your pajamas, your kids, all of the like smaller accessories level things get rolled and configured in lots of weird haphazard ways. And then you're bigger pieces like your sweaters your shirts pants, go into the largest piece of all, and they take the other side of the clam shell and they all get folded and a very special way, and there's instructions within the cube. I love so and it has a folding board. Do you remember. The gap and she's like, yes, and she's holding shirts. It's that thing where she like pulls out the Jimmy Garoppolo pulls out the the board. So I actually think it's the best of both worlds sev- looks jaws. Our jaws hit the table just just mine actually. No, I'm pretty impressed Marie. Condo approve. Thinking that reality bites, it's still holds out. It's a real calm. And so you you do have like there's no one imperial winner, in my opinion, you fold on one side for the most important larger pieces, and then you roll and talk, and you know, whatever you have to do to get that extra pair shoes in on the other subsidy diplomatic for you, not by design. It just worked out that way that is impressive that you have. You have achieved detente of packing. You've bridge the gap, this crevice the feedback I've gotten all we, I'm writing. It looks great. No. You cross the aisle between the Packers and the rollers. This is a fundamentalist war that's been going on for years, and I think you just saw, I think this is kit speak to a lot of other arguments we have as a culture and people, which is like, it's not one or the other. You got to find the happy in between separate podcast. Tips lay all of your stuff out on the bed before we put it in the case. See court. This is the we've uncovered. This is like a marriage counseling session thing cases right fees. He wants tack. He wants to tour. Many different trailers for me. It's peak design, genius pack, and eagle creek. You know that if you put it out on the bed, you can see if you're ever packing as you know, is that like very like old fashioned rule like on oil jewelry and then take piece off. I think it applies to that rule. That's from Coco Chanel before you walk out the door. Remove at least one piece. So that you're not every rest. To no, that going into when you're dressing, you're just going to think about the thing that you need to give up before you leave the at the end of this podcast. I want us to each say how often what scenarios in which we most often travel Khushab is clearly like rock and roll on the road traveling stuff. My shit of that sorts it out. Sorts it out. It's got to be waterproof and a backpack. Water alone behind me. They yet. You can see if you're ever packing missing anything. You can do it by day by outfit. I do that too. It's the same as putting in the suitcase. It's like one tiny extra step. I just. Pre fold everything. And then I'll just take the heat and put it in. I also interrupt this question line to ask how far advanced to you pack because like I know day off. Finally, yeah. I have to agree. All right site also hockey. On all the way working at a travel publication because we have many differing opinions on this. I know like like actually earlier this, Catherine our colleague. Sorry, Kathy, I'm calling you out, but she left what yesterday to Washington DC on a train. And she had already packed by Monday. I can't do this laundry. The laundry is done before. Packing the day off lottery five days or more out. Set aside the essential for the trip. Laundry day close to work for five days. As far enough away that we don't actually see when. Sunday night, whatever it is, whether it's Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, although consider it three to five day window. I started thinking jeeze when are you traveling? And you don't have three of five to you? Never know. Like. Check in the Bank, three to five one. Check. I'm going to go against the grain here until you about their apps for that. I don't you. I'm the least likely. As three to five days before she Sunday night, it's whatever I need for that trip is clean. It's sitting in a pile and then each day I keep laying out and coaling until I know exactly what I need and then night before it goes in the suitcase. Do you have a list like do you make a list? Like keep me on track lists until I traveled enough that I think I was just kind of a second second nature she needed. So you mean you'd never got to the airport look down and realize you're wearing two different shoes. Has that happened to you? That's a door. Sometime recently, they were both converse and one was all white and one was all black. So he just rolled with it said I was making my own little fashions. David, you're the only person who get away with that horrified subs like eloquently than usual. This is like my the point at which my wife would say, no jerk going home and getting the correct shoes. I was trying to another place. If I, if I heard her say that to me, I'd be like agreed one hundred percent. I'm in a cab now hold my hot, but like this one can get away with that. So dull, Jim t much. He's got that indulged. Very smug. Yes. By the fact that I walked out the door with two different shoes on, I think about this a lot probably more than I should the bag that you take for not the carry on, but the secondary bag that you get to carry for women. It's like, could be pers personal item. Made? Well, I'm back the useful work that is just my coat. The I bring everywhere touchy, it's you can't do it up at the top which is kind of annoying when you put it onto the first thing, I would be really worried about shit falling up, but I also get to that. Does I have what I buy? And it has like my book and magazine, the voter in it. And then I do is I have this little, it's from another subway ad company parachute that Doolittle sheets, but they have this travel kit which is like a Marino wool blanket and I'm ask and it goes in a little bag in. So then I put that and I also put my life possible some lip balm moisturizer anything I won't for when I'm like trapped in my seat. I'm sorry, I want a story just on this setup and I shared with all his pockets. The bag have. It's just like a little pouch that keeps the blanket in the. Musk in, but it's roomy enough that you can put few other like essential that you asked about pockets though. So then I have that insight alway valuables inside my made well bags that I can sip onto the seat and I'd have to worry about like my possible fooling out a thing. All I can take it out and put it in the little pouch, the back of the seat in front of me and then keep everything in that and then take out the blanket when it sounds like your personal items like pure essentials for the flight completely. Mine is like, yeah, backpack filled to the brim. Like every thing that's like in my carry on. Right. So it's like the book I'm reading on the plane, but my other book and like all, you know. You know my back right when you because you'll carry on his Co. pestle item because I can get away with it because like we were saying earlier the backpack, right? So like I have the the, the, the Rowley suitcase carry on. That's my carry on. And then they look that I'm wearing a backpack in their personal item, even though it's the same size as my carry on the bro. You were talking about. Woods. No, I have my, yeah, I have my carry on that. Hopefully I can get on the plane and I'd have to check it and then I have my personal item and that has all my central's for like being on the plane. I totally agree. Sorry, Corinna I, this is a complaint I have. And so my plea to tote and personal item designers everywhere is just put zipper on the top. Because if I have my wallet and my keys and lip gloss or whatever the hell, ELS and my laptop, the open model at a super preferred popular right now doesn't help me when I throw out a conveyor belt. Yeah, I found. Under the seat in front of you and your sleep, and it gets an October shit get scattered. Yeah. Steal things from this show I, but I lose it would be eight losing. I was worried about it, especially as I put my green cod in those Ray with all this stuff. And I'm like, oh my God. I'm Paul from it. There's a, there's a wire mesh cages, Texas. Wait for you. To reel to reel non. Unfortunately, I'm English. Then know about after you. One thing I'll say with a tote situation is that merkin Graham has a really organized sort of like you were talking about LA, it's it's, they call it a clutch. I can't remember the name, but unzip it and there's a place for your phone, your tartar, your pen, like your ID, your money. All that. I. Pouch was useful. Not for mak-. Top kit. Okay. That's another topic. But while we're on the the, the personal item, I came back around from pocket land to, you know, just sort of big pouch. And the thing that brought me there was the seabed which is a company for main like me and they make mostly totes sort of started with totes. Now they've branched into other things out of discarded sales. So it's like recycled sales sales from sailboats that they turn into bags. And I tried this the first time. There's like a sort of pocket in there that you can put your passport in or whatever. But everything else is just an open bag and they have different sizes. The things look really cool. But what I love about them is that two sets point, they're not made of rip stop nylon, but they are waterproof and they're very, very tough. And I felt like moving around the airport and then putting them under the seat, not only did they sort of stand up to all of that and looked kind of cool. But when you get to whatever destination, if it happens to be beach, destination, which it did the first time I tried this, it was Greece. You have your beach bag with you, and now you just convert that in take your laptop out and whatever else, and you and you now have your beach bag and it's like super durable and can handle all of send stuff. Doc, you definitely miss shake it out before you catch your flight home and like, but there's a fairly like good integrity to the bag, and it's simple enough that you can shake it out and like it's not gonna no place for the Santa hide. You know, just like one pocket. What I love about this is you pick up on the fact that a lot of times you are leaving a destination in one level of existence, which is like business or airport, or crowd, or what have you. But you're landing in beach and everyone's on vacation. So the fact that there's a transition there that it builds in for his release mart and we don't think about that enough dual-purpose. So Dopp kit where the hell I hate this like name I. Name. Who cares? It's so old and classic and adore. Honest with you guys. Tell me tell me. Background, but I not heard that term until I started working on Esther either. Really, I heard like toiletries bag. Of many different things. I've never heard capital d. Dopp kit who stop. People. Who the hell Dopp was. Is this another why he gets his own kid from our culture Dopp southern? No, because no, because I've known people who were not southern in any way Dopp kit. It just has this like precious, quaint, nece, sort of self satisfied, smug, quaint nece that I really don't like just like everyone carries a bag. We may travel that has like toothbrush to clean is a Welsh Balaj face what was different. You have to wash your face. You have the wash FaceTime day. Day. I wish Dopp kit was named after Charles Dopp pelt top, doubled apples, a leather craftsmen who moved to the US from Germany in the nineteen hundreds does sound gem. Although the actual work of creating the first stop kit is set to have been done pelts nephew and employee. Jerome Harris to kit, call it the Harris Harris kit. The kit was given its name Dopp short fur pelt, which because doubled owned the company that made it classic classic story of the boss getting all the credit. Oh. Every. Brands ever don't don't zero in on the top cat, you're being unfair. Louis Vuitton never made any whoever that go into that exhibit for those bags. I actually think I was thinking specifically of the ought and food welts when I made that comment, but that is different book. Okay. As is the podcast where sev- reads from Wikipedia more fulsomely we're gonna various. About. If we're talking about people putting them to wrap up, but yeah, what's what's in your essentials, what is that? Okay, I actually I file intimate so we can leave that out of that. Whatever. Proud separate cubes. Never the docket as a wash kit as Lawley likes to call it. The TSA has regulations at my strategy is to hord and keep, and then deploy samples. So anything kills will give me or any other products. Love. Quick and sorry does get this is gonna go away said you wouldn't actually take their liquids out when you go through security idea. He apple never. They make you take them out in every apple. I've never had him out in the u. k. every time I once had a semi transparent back and they like, lasted me for it, and I go like a whole lecture right using it. I'll have Harris kit my backpack. He didn't to me. They won't be as either boy. Never. And I know that everything in there is under three ounces or whatever, because I know the rules take product. USA anyway. Sorry, continue. It's not that interesting, but I'll continue. I have a mini electric toothbrush that is battery powered. And then all the samples of all the products that I love that are mini says that can fit in the docket so I can continue my beautification routine like moisturizing cleaning my face every night. Everything remains preserved. So. Yeah. I love this. Paste comb, deodorant contexts, said, looking at you right now in your skin is like a pedal. I know you use product aegis, easy hotel, one, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're in a nice hotel, the product for not exactly. Actually isn't crazy to let you know you're going somewhere. Nice. I have both of you because you've traveled more places recently than I have, but have you noticed that there are certain products that appeal to like your hair, your skin depending on the country. I hear this and I never heard about it. I, I've heard that like US products are terrible for your. Really. This makes me so Layton saying, I'm convinced that like different water in different places make. It's not the water. The water, definitely because it has different mineralogy. Hardness, I've heard people describe like a city's water as being dry, which does make any sense, but. No, you know what that means because when it's one or the other, you definitely feel. Yeah. Lally. Well, is it my wash back mini versions of products? I like I have a little mini e salt moisturizer. I liked carry around a low of very buji Browns. I spend too much money on have traveled size versions because they know idiots like me will buy them. The checkout aisle at Sephora is a really good place to get everything you need for your trip the night before you go, it's I have my light mini versions of my normal, like skin routine. So I'll have like a mini cleanser, a mini tunnel necessary. Minimal Streisand. Egypt doesn't I still hand sanitizer. Larry, getting these, each AP's, the Oculus where al-qaeda. Building, but sorry knows. Doesn't Egypt stool on. They have trouble sized things. They sell trouble kits. Oh my God. Sorry, great gift. People. Great gifts for people. Yes, he's up travel kits. Yeah, and the parachute travel, and then I have my blanket and I'm off and a hand creams, very good conga on a plane without that bomb face wipes because you don't have to Scott any liquid limits with them. I actually use you bring face wipes when I'm traveling. What do I like? Simple, simple rant. It's a brand. I like Ursa major but harder to find what you're lip balm. Why do. Yeah, whatever my girlfriend has kills t- actually use it. If my Lipson. I don't use it preventatively. I use a curative -ly said, it's still that dude using carmax team. And it smells like skiing right now. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I will say that face wipes, if you like in a real pinch and you've layover in your own some light twenty four hour flight. Shower fresh and you up, okay, face wipes, just unite light onto the sinking about you up. I know I know a lot of bike commuters to work who use swear by these wipes. Did he do it right. Yeah. Okay. I thought about doing it. I'll let you know when I, you know when they start to work. Yeah. All righty. Don't forget how could you not subscribe to the podcast with tips like these coming at you? We are on I tunes. We're on soundcloud. You cannot avoid us. We're everywhere visit us at sea and travel dot com. Where the complete guide to packing is now live and ready to solve all of your packing problems which your favorite piece from the from the package. 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Pine Ridge Reservation, part 2: One Heart, One Mind, One Prayer

Out of the Blocks

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Pine Ridge Reservation, part 2: One Heart, One Mind, One Prayer

"From W Y PR NPR X. It's a special edition of out of the blocks from pine ridge reservation in South Dakota. It's one neighborhood. Everybody's story everybody. Everybody sturdy story. Everybody story things are different now than they were back. You know, whenever our ancestors alive, our enemies back, then we knew how to prepare for them nowadays, the enemies invisible that United States said that our children need to be educated. And they started what captain Pratt said in the Carlisle Indian industrial schools kill the Indian save the man our knowledge of our culture wasn't priority with us growing up to is just all about survival through our culture through our ceremonies. It's already been prophesized that there's a seventh generation nuts coming forward that's going to create change. And I see it. We're all here to survive, one, heart one mind, one prayer from producers, Aaron Hankinson and window. Patrick in collaboration with ARL iron cloud, and keely radio voice said the Lakota nation. It's a special edition of out of the blocks. Right after this. Out of the blocks is supported by clearview energy, providing one hundred percent green energy in Baltimore through renewable resources like wind solar and hydro with the goal of helping protect the environment and slow the rate of climate change by being a clear view energy customer in partnership with the Arbor day foundation. You're supporting the planting of ten thousand trees in national forests and other areas of need across the United States. Learn how to leave green at clearview, energy dot com. Support for out of the blocks comes from Catholic charities committed to providing care and services to improve the lives of Marylanders in need to make a New Year's resolution and turn your compassion into action. Visit CC dash MD dot org slash stand. With us. A couple of quick words of context as we get ready to jump into part two of our podcast from the pine ridge reservation, you remember last episode meeting are low iron. Iron cloud, our co producer and partner on this collaboration. You remember him telling us, I want you to meet women's rights activists American Indian movement members students teachers, I want those people that aren't always heard to be heard well among the many people Arlo introduced us to during our time together where some members of his own family. And during this episode, you're gonna get the chance to meet our lows wife. Lisa his son, LeRoy and the remarkable man whose voice you're going to hear now this is our lows, dad. My name is Richard ironclad. The original iron cloud was born in eighteen fifty six he married. Two sisters one of the significant things that happened in his life. Was he was part of the protocol Custer's last stand or you know, part of the battle of the little Bighorn. He was there and my. Grandma's. They got their names from that battle one of them was read necklace, and then my grandma was any rents per hill. And the reason why they call it runs for here was whenever the battle was going on. She was helping the elderly and children to get to safety and in the hills, my other grandma her name is. Redneck Lewis, and she was a singer won. The battle is going on. She was on a hill. And she was singing these what they call Braveheart songs to give them in courage in. She was singing those as the battle is going on. These men would kill these cavalryman picture. The head these redneck achieve son. And she was singing on this hill. They would come by. And they would put these neckerchiefs on on arms on. They said at the end of the battle. They said that her armed awful of those those neckerchiefs, and so that's why they call them red necklace. Her name. In nineteen seventy three thousand high school. And I remember there was a man that was killed in Gordon, Nebraska. His name was Raymond yellow thunder. He was killed by some three young men. And when they went to trial, they let all of them go on, you know, just with us like a slap on the hand. And here there are some his relatives. They went to one of our leaders and porcupine name seabird young bear and told him, you know, that they want Justice and at that time because they had killed Raymond yellow thunder the whole tribe was unified against his death and those three young white men that killed him. And whenever you come together. As groups, you know, the people get scared up Indians on every come together as a group and for common purpose. That's what counts some of the power looms. It was almost like a civil war on a reservation the government came in and try to stop it. I remember coming home in the afternoon on our bus, and here, they would have these. Bunkers on top of those buildings with machine guns on these buildings. There was a group they decided to take over on that community are wounded knee. And the I remember we were driving around that night. My uncle. We came by that four way in pine ridge in here. Those a whole bunch of cars coming from the north they weren't stopping desktop sign. They were just going on. So there was like a caravan. And I guess that night they took over that town of wounded knee. And that started the seventy three days in people from different tribes. They all came, and they all wanted to be a part of it. And so they were all sneaking into. I need help with the protest. Some people that died man by name of Clearwater. He was shot. He was in that church was a church there. And I think one of the bullets came through the church and got him behind the behind the head. And then there was another guy named Lamont that was killed. And there was also some of the federal marshalls that were in there too. And so they called a truce, I guess, and then they negotiated you know. You know, I guess how they were going to get people out of there. When I was eighteen years old. I lost both of my parents. It was kind of a difficult time for us because we my brothers, and I just stayed Palestine. I just I work there. Seems like most of the people that were around us at time, we're drinking, and so that's what we spend a lot of time doing was drinking. We're able to keep our jobs and stuff like that. But we spend a lot of time drinking and getting into trouble. I'm really glad that I was able to get sober because that's really been like foundation. You know that I've been able to live live by you know, to be sober. And to learn how to cope with life without alcohol and drugs and his life is difficult, and that's really hard. And it's easy. I think to go, and you know to use drugs. One time. There was a. One of our elders porcupine you wanted to revive those all societies as whole. Oh, boy, you're societies. And so he called us all over to his house. They had us all sitting in a circle. Policy young men, and they brought in they brought in some Allders. I think one of them he got up, and he said things are different now than they were back. You know, whenever our ancestors are live. They said our enemies he said back then we knew how to prepare for them. You know, we knew who they were. We knew how to become a warrior. We knew all the weapons and we knew how to confront our enemy. Nowadays, they're different enemies invisible. What he was referring to as invisible as things like alcohol and drugs, and you know, like suicide and all these things are currently impacting us on the reservation. Yeah. And those are enemies now in order to deal with those those situations we had to become spiritual spiritual warriors. To build the deal with those those things. My dad is. In my opinion, the greatest man that I know. My wife is an amazement as well. I cannot fathom how somebody like hurt can get out of the situation that she's ever been in for to come out alive as well as something. We're making. It's kind of like the pudding, but instead of using flour these Tim Salah to sicken it up a bit. You hand grind this. Tim slow with the order in pestle ourselves from. My name is Lisa iron cloud. In Arlo, earn cloud is my. I think it was his long hair initially. I thought he was pretty handsome. Upbringing is completely different from our Lewis. We lived up here in rapid city the majority of my life, but we were always pretty nomadic. We couldn't stay in one spot for too long or homeless. We lived out of the car there were days where would go without eating. You know, it was a lot of struggle. And our knowledge of our culture wasn't priority with us growing up. It was just all about survival. My parents were fluent speakers. But they did it like introduced us to ceremonies so whenever I made my path and met up with this guy with Arlo. I kept thinking that I didn't want my children's that go through what I went through and to have a better understanding of where they came from as Lakota people. So. I try to play catch up and talk to people who are willing to talk to me, which was a struggle in itself. Because you have a lot of people who have knowledge who have. A really great idea of where they come from. And and they know the history, but their willingness to share with. With other Lakota people. I mean, no offense. But you know, a non Lakota they're so willing to share that information. But when it comes to Lakota, it's really difficult. It's almost like territorial. So it was hard. But there were people out there who were willing to sit down with me and work hands on with me. And then teach me the stuff I should have known at this age. And it's not gonna get totally fine. But I I rented through the SIV like this. And then it catches the bigger pieces, which I still use those in soups. Simple has really grown a lot by, you know, just asking for help been hearing the Facebook is very popular in the community, which is kind of an irony that, you know, you've got this sort of modern internet social network keeping up people together for traditional purposes, like my personal Facebook pages just dedicated to food. Showing other people what's out there? So I can post this and say this is the tallow Busey UPI, which means that hangs the dry. That's why looks like this. I could easily do a photo or a video or something explaining how we do this. You know? And then somebody we because we get a lot of that that responser like thank you for sharing that because I didn't know ahead an idea, but I didn't know. Walk out way just a little bit. There's a Powell grounds out here, which is a nice round facility where we have our graduation outside in June come up here June. They'll be TV's and people camping, and we'll have forty or fifty people get a degree here. But if we turn around, and we look the building is supposed to be an eagle landing on the prairie. And you can see it's I and you can see the the front of the eagle and the tail feathers and the wing feathers, and it's landing on the prairie. It's supposed to be Representative of nature. Yeah. This is Costa. My name is Ted Hamilton. And we are at Tony which is the administrative building for oil see awhile ago college here, literally in the geographic center of the pineridge in. We have nine districts across the reservation east district has a community. And in each community. There is a college center, we have faculty traveling from center to center offering courses everything from associated arts degrees to bachelor's degrees. Master's programs, aren't total Roman is just right at thirteen hundred students. I think the best thing that I did was no nothing when I came here. I was at the university of Iowa finishing up degree in archives. Studies at their library school. So I have a master's in library science, and they they had a job opening for an arc of the college had never had an archives before. So I came out here. And I said I must say stay for three to five years. I'm going to teach people how to do it. I'm going to move on. And then I fell in love. And so, you know, you fall in love and things occur. And that's how actually are those over. There is my nephew. 'cause I married his his aunt. So I have raised a few kids here and we've been here ever since. I have really good friends. Here have been I think marginally accepted spokes of as a non Indian you you move in. And you become part of the community. I have nieces nephews and grandchildren all of that kind of happens. And I think is kind of organic mostly the learning. I've had is just through conversations with all kinds of folks across the years. One of the things I've learned is is that every student who comes into into my classroom. We we have an opportunity to learn from each other. And I think the the real trick as a as an educator is not come in with a set of blinders on and saying, I'm an expert at this. But to be really really open to the fact that there's just a lot of learning to be had here. This is a memorial to the veterans on the reservation and native people have played a a pretty crucial role in in most wars per capita. We have more more people volunteering and and being medal winners than any other ethnic group or any other group actually in the country, and you can see going back from World War One. So we'll or won a number of names on World War, Two Korean war, Vietnam. What's interesting to me as a historian is that all those names on the World War One plaque. None of those were citizens the states because they didn't get citizenship until nineteen twenty four. And so here, you have literally dozens of names of men who went over over into Europe to to fight and they were fighting for their homeland, but not necessarily for the country or for the government should. Say but really for the country for the homeland, and that to me is amazing thing, and I can see names like John Blackadder. I've a really good friend of mine. Willard black cat, who's direct descendant of these folks? From the pine ridge reservation in South Dakota. It's one neighborhood. Everybody's story. But star everybody story out of the blocks. I'm Lee Ryan cloud, and we are looking at a buffalo hide we're in your backyard here. And this thing is strung on a like a wooden frame. What do you what's the process here? Wow. A couple of days ago. It got really hard. So I couldn't work on it because he can see they're still fat and meet still after so. And now, it's raining. We're waiting for it to soft again second-set were counted, you see these PVC pipe things. See how they have these little groups on edge kind of cut Ingle? And then you kinda hit them off. This is all good here. You see that? This is the meat. This is far as I got. Kind of getting frozen through. So so you use a this PD pipe as a kind of a scraper to get the meat often the buffalo high. Yeah. That's the part. This one is two thousand seventeen all wheel drive dodge charger with a v eight. No one's gonna run you in this thing haven't yet. So she she she gets along pretty good. I think the highest I've had this one was about one fifty four. Miskin francs the captain of highway safety here on the reservation. My name is Kevin Rascher. The Lieutenant of highway safety. Leeann force all the traffic coats. Like, I told us for the state. We'd force all those for the reservation. On the average debuted out, and we run our roads, we have again eighteen hundred miles of documented road on the reservation a reservation about the size of Rhode Island us. We we run the radar make should be. We're Sloan down making shouldn't this roads? Safe for the kids going to school. Do you is part of the job we have a driver's invasion, but just like back in the twenties when they had prohibition stuff. It's only drowsy wanted to be I suppose just like everywhere else. You still have the same problems. We have you is here but not any greater than anywhere else. We live in the community. I live in the pine ridge village community. I lived there. I've lived there since we've moved here. Like you said he lives in the Allen over in the past Greek community. So if you get to know your community to talk with community is the concept of community policing. But I believe it is human instead of just under law enforcement when we train people are train officers. I always tell people treat them the same way. You wanna be treated if you were in their shoes, and they were the cop come into your you guys are such an interesting duo 'cause you're too like non Lakota guys who both ended up here because you met Lakota gals. And now, you're live here, and this is your home and your world, and and you police streets here, I imagine those that's sort of human community focused attitude is probably especially important when you think about the kind of larger political history of where you are. It'd be honest with that I started here. It wasn't a real reception for me being native again folically challenge. You can tell us a. You're you're pale man, bald me a pill bald, man. Yes. I am whatever's started was it was tough going because we're figures back in the nineties not too far from the seventies winning occupation. And all this stuff. So you're still fighting osteo types like on the reservation. I would get all the of the jokes or all the name colony become casper Custer, all these different using all these different things. But through the years people's gotten a nomi- love, the officers in the biggest cities will live in a different community and come serve in a different. So they don't have any connection with the people that the that the serving I got interested in this Mike kids, go to school here the wreck law school, and I have relatives that go to the primary school like he's children that goes to Bennett county. Little worn anybody can wear a badge and do the job that I do. But it takes somebody to be a human being to treat somebody as a human being. Charles new holy C. H A R L E S W H O L Y I suffer from post traumatic stress because I grew up round round a time when there was radical changes, this is the time when when the occupation was going on, and we had our house shot at several times in the my dad made this cross base underneath the floorboards in also when cops came to raid people's houses that they believed were melting the native Mary urda, whatever you wanna call it Merican India moment at the time in our house was wanted to houses that was always getting rated or whatever because there was a drop off point for the supply route was going into the at the time, and we run into these roadblocks where people were getting pelote it occurs. Cars are getting searched and whatnot. By remember seeing these guys with guns and all of this. And they weren't police officers at the time, we know him as a gun squad. Back in seventy three. I was a kid then I didn't quite understand. What was happening? But cares where you're like, you go through these stresses because you don't know what's going to happen to you on a daily basis, it could be playing outside and get shot at or he could just be going to school and get shot at Tim O. So those are those stresses that people here have is that post traumatic stress that was caused by by these effects of dawn to the occupation back in that is. When you keep people Preston depressed, you have complete control over them and assimilation policies were being really pushed hard on people. So but traditional people back, then still believed in writes in like, we still do we still have our treaty rights that treaty that the United States government had side. What us day recognize us as a nation, but a nineteen thirty four that was changed when when congress came up with the Landau Lamin act and then to division of the great Sioux nation into tribes. We aren't tribes were actually one big giant tribal nation. Right now, we're looking at or on termination because right now on this reservation, according to the enrollment, there's only four hundred full bloods, left four hundred full blood Lakota left on this reservation. The blood quantum act is something that we need to get rid of blood. Quantum is European concept of what part this or that. You are in terms of your family tree in that concept, then got sort of transposed onto the native people here. Giving example like a food you take a full blood Lakota from Oglala Sioux tribe, and then you take a full blood Lakota from Rosebud Sioux tribe, they marry and they have kids by blood quantum MAC that child becomes a half breed of either our tribe, but reality that kid is still a full blood because these two full blood Lakota does so. So you get rid of that law. You have a lot more full bloods than what they call a great soon. Asian. We have like some younger people here that are full blooded butter label half or less than half, and those labels then determine in the eyes of the federal government what they're eligible or not eligible for. Yeah. Treaty obligations says that if you're half or less, you don't get the full treaty obligation rights that before will get eventually congress is going to say, hey, where's the full blitz where where are the people that we made these treaties with? We're all here to survive or one nation, one heart one mind one prayer. My name is Bruce Waylon, and I was born here. But these six years ago on the pine ridge agency and. The stories around here. Typical for my age group and are still typical. Now, my dad was an alcoholic. He had a job with the bureau in in fares. He was able to go out and get stinking drunk the night before and somehow he had managed to get up at five o'clock in the morning smoke a cigarette and read his book, and and he'd make us old, and he was able to be functioning drunk and most of his friends the same way anytime I ever saw family or friends. We were we were watching them get drunk. I used to volunteer myself as a five year old and run back and forth to the refrigerator to get their beers for them. Because if I got to open it, the suds that came off means I got the sip it off so here after running back and forth as a five year old back and forth to frigerator. I remember that when I was older some of the people at the parties that were had they would say Brucie was such a good boy, he was so quiet thought back on ice says, you know, what I was probably drunk. As is growing up. I wasn't protected by my dad. There's things that happen to me. That's typical. It's happened. A lot of kids on reservation. You know, you feel kinda malignant because you were used by the people and pretty soon, you kind of have the attitude that that's how my life is kinda useless other than further people's pleasures and one day my by data's land on the couch and a stocking feet that he always does when it gets off from work and rest for awhile. And and the police knocked that the darn and I opened up the Darnay just walked right in walked past me picked him up when man cups and hauled him out and stocking feet. And then I found out that my mom and dad are divorced at that point. I had no idea what was going on. What have it would the police pick him up for? I don't know irreconcilable differences what the divorce decree said. My mom says we're gonna go down and spend the night at your aunt's house. And then we're gonna go for Dr tomorrow next hour driving through the mountain ranges, and we pulled in Salt Lake City and. When we saw the hotel that my mother was looking for. She pulled into says this is where we live now. I was working in Provo Utah. I got transferred up to Oregon. I was printing Lithography making very good money twenty five bucks an hour and benefits and to meaning of Portland. My sister called me says, you know, that had art attack. I said I heard I didn't get along with him really had no compassion, whether you had a heart attack or not and she says, you know, he might not be around and. When she liked to come home. I said, no, not really I'm making a life out here now, and it took a little bit of etching on her part to say, you know, maybe need to change your mind. And so I did I moved home and probably the best eleven months months at I've ever had in my entire life. With him was was moving back in with this man that I learned to hate over the part thirty seven years in my life. He wasn't a man. A lot of words what I noticed when I was going to the community. Houston trail me. If I stopped in the building, I I noticed that my dad park there across the street for. And we got home. And I said why are you trailing me? I wanna see who you are as a man I thought. Wow, I wish you would have done that one. I was a boy kinda getting hostile feelings. So then we started talking a little bit. I says, you know, if you're gonna see what kind of man, I am than maybe should tell me what kind of man you were because you weren't there for me. He says while I went to boarding school. I didn't know how to be a parent. Let me just have you say if you were to context about what boarding school means people may be listening to this on the east coast and have a very different sort of idea. What boarding school means? Here. What was set up over a century ago? Is that the United States said that our children need to be educated? So they set up schools, and the thing is these schools, they might have thought ABC's, but they didn't teach anything about parenting what they taught you a stand up straight. You know, they cut the hair off. So that they couldn't identify themselves as travel person because her hair's really important to our culture, and they started what captain Pratt said in the Carlisle Indian industrial school is killed Indian saved the man. And my dad he went to boarding school. He said his mom and dad were convinced that it was the right thing because that's what everybody did. And that's what the government told him to do. So they drove him over to boarding school, and they stopped in front of the sidewalk leading to the doorway told him to get out. This is where you go to school then he walked up to that door. His life changed. When I started understanding my anger about him. And he started sharing some of the things I needed to hear that Pryor that helped us to stand the same room together and make comments toward each other. We we did two things we watch them Star Trek love the, and we watched France are richer was we'd get ready turn on TV hit making nouncement and then hit go make popcorn porce milk. We sit down and watch. When he was dying I communicated with him, and we figured out a code. I put my finger in his closed fist. And I'd ask him questions and one for no to forget. That's how we communicated when he is in hospital, and it was those have fairy very short period of time that as able to do that with him. You felt like you've got to say to him the things you need to say and to hear from him the things you needed to hear before he passed away. No, no. I never feel like I've I've had that conversation with him. He could speak your mind to your dad if you still were able to have a chance to do. So what would you say at this point? Well. I would say. Fame heart. I'll see you soon. My name is darla black. I'm the Oglala Sioux tribal, vice president what I do is. I help the people when the people come into the office, there's various needs. Sometimes it has to do with housing child care. Just a variety of things that the people might need or they need assistance financial assistance with getting to rapid city for a medical appointment. But at the same time we also provide a sack lunch to the homeless people. And so my office is a continuum of movement. I really focused on the elders and children when I ran for office when I walked around through the pine ridge Indian reservation, I talked to people rurally. A lot of people that lived like I did when I was young. I was I was indigent, you know. I didn't have clothing adequate clothing. But I shouldn't say we were indigent because we rich, you know, sometimes we only had flour and water and my grandma made wonderful, bread and gravy. But the teachings the spirituality everything was there. My roots. Here is I'm from here. I am from a community call manderson. But when I went to college, I went away, I moved to Nebraska, and then I midway through my career as a law enforcement officer. I went to Reno Nevada Lovelock Nevada intrusion. Amanda, and I worked as a law enforcement officer down there upon death of my grandmother. I came home, you know, because my mother started having heart attacks and health problems site stayed here with her, and then I went back to school and the same thing I came back because my mother developed cancer and watching her clear up until she took her last breath. Made me appreciate life made me live life. Like today is my last day on this earth. So how do you do that you enjoy life? You respect one another you love one another. Being in elected official liked. It is them food that we went to work for these children. We wanna work for a better future for them in through our culture through our ceremony's already been prophesized that there's the seventh generation that's coming forward. That's gonna create change. And I see it. And you know, what they're growing their hair, you see his hair, they're growing their hair because our hair is is a part of who we are had long hair. But I cut it. When on the death of my mother, my hair was down to here and. The beauty of that is they're turning back to the ceremonies. They're turning away from alcohol their turning away from drugs because they see it all around them. They don't want it anymore, and they realize through our teaching store spirituality that don't belong to us. It's not who we are. You've been listening to a special edition of out of the blocks produced by Aaron hen hankins and window, Patrick and Clapper's with keely radio voice of Lakota nation special. Thanks to Arlo iron cloud of Keeley radio and w y p ours, Katie Marquette, Erin window, wanna thank all of us who took a leap of faith and shared our stories and our lives from w y PR and PR X. This is the pine ridge reservation signing off signing off signing off talk show. Okay. Special. Thanks this episode to the m e the National Endowment for the arts who's grant support made our collaboration with Arlo and keely radio possible. Next time on the podcast were back in Baltimore. With an interesting twist on a block the three hundred block of east eager street is pretty much deserted. Except for two things one. It's got the release door of the Baltimore City jail. And to it's got this van the posts up there five days a week right outside that release store the van is a mobile medical office where doctors prescribe the medication buprenorphine to help people manage their opiate addictions, folks, oftentimes walked straight out the door the jail and straight on to the van, you know, everytime breaks look at that jail. Bag hair reminds me how many times in in and out. Leon Campbell is out of jail right now. But he's still trying to get free from his hair addiction. That's why he's back on this block week after week in the shadow of the jail keep up with his maintenance medication. I'm still fighting for my life. My soul must birth fighting for everything that I love, and I'm fighting for me Leon story on the next episode around the blocks. Thank you for listening. Thank you for spreading the word about out of the blocks drops review on apple podcasts. If you're so inclined just telephone catch you next time on out of the blocks. 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Episode 41 | Doorbells, Front Door Locks & Handles

Home Space and Reason

24:50 min | Last week

Episode 41 | Doorbells, Front Door Locks & Handles

"Hello. Welcome to home space and reason odd cast. Home. Hi there I'm Christina Browning your host. If you know, your home could be so much more than it is I discuss how functionality aesthetics and automation I'M A realtor in Portland Oregon and a home functionality coach nationwide I geek out on every subject imaginable regarding your home in yard challenging you to think of your space differently to get the most out of every square foot I post questions for you to think through about your space and your reason. This podcast is all positive offering you virtual fist bumps and celebrating every win remember there's no such thing as perfect but you can still aim for your best every day follow along on social media under the handle space and reason. Episode Forty one in this episode, let's discuss doorbell functionality aesthetics and automation along with front door locks, mail slots, and front door handles. Imagine I've just met you and your partner early in the evening at a function. As the night goes on, we hit it off and chatted up until the late hours of the evening. The event ends and we vow that we must get together again. We connect later in the week and you invite us over for hors d'oeuvres and happy hour. Navigation gets me to your street I slowed down as I start identifying house numbers. We spot your abode and Park. I grabbed the chilled bottle of bubbly and the fresh fruit plate and step out of the car. Since this is the first time to your home. I notice everything. The Path leading up to the door, the steps, the door color, the items around your door. And I ring your doorbell. All of this is making a first impression about who lives here just like choosing what color of car you drive choosing accessories and colors for the front of your home speak to the personalities of those living inside. The doorbell can be an afterthought. or it can be an opportunity to punctuate your home with an exclamation point. Companies like restoration hardware started recreating vintage delights and pinterest became a thing for folders upon folders of visual examples of what could be. From vintage doorbells to smart connected versions, your values and tastes need to be taken into consideration when making a decision what's important to me? The doorbell actually has a long history that goes back to the industrial revolution according to an article by curbed dot com early doorbells on record usually worked in one of two ways. Twist doorbells used a key like mechanism on the outside of the door strikes a bell on the inside when twisted similar to cranking a wind up toy. Pull doorbells on the other hand can be wrong by pulling a rope that rings a small bill on the inside of the House. The industrial revolution modernized many aspects of everyday life through technological advancements and areas such as steam power, machine tools, textiles, and Iran making among others William Murdoch Scottish steam engineer and inventor was employed by British engineering and manufacturing firm. Boulton and watt installed the first mechanized doorbell in his home. Perhaps taking a cue from the steam, Industry Murdoch's doorbell operated on a system of pipes and compressed air. The first electric doorbell was invented in eighteen thirty one by Joseph Henry and American scientists who later went on to serve as first secretary of the Smithsonian Institution. But Electric doorbells only became widespread and nineteen thirteen when the introduction of electric transformers eliminated the need for expensive batteries and instead relied on a households electrical current in the nineteen thirties musical door chimes emerged as a tasteful alternative to relatively jarring monotone buzzers. One of the most popular door time tunes is the Westminster quarters which can also be heard ringing out from many churches. Bell. Towers. Centuries later, we still rely on doorbells to see who's at the door. As many of you know I'm a realtor in Portland Oregon and Portland is known for its Avant Garde and nontraditional style. Many folks here appreciate personality defining design adorning their homes with unique exterior accessories like doorbells. Paint colors that are not so fifty shades of grey and embracing originality. This could be why walking in new neighborhoods is one of my most favorite things to do. It's also why I have zero reservations about snapping photos of these details while the owners peer out the window wondering why the strangers taking photos of their home it could be that it's me adoring your doorbell choice. I've pinned a lot on my pinterest board called doorbells and other front door accessories and my handle there is space and reason if you aren't connected yet. Right along with doorbells, you should consider door handles and therefore locks since they all hang out in the same part of your home. KEYPAD operated door locks are convenient. They allow you to create entry codes for temporary access for house cleaners or pet sitters and contractors. You can delete the codes when access is no longer needed without having to change the lock or call a locksmith. Many smart locks allow you to create and delete pin codes from your smartphone. But many of these high tech locks are still susceptible to physical break in tactics such as. And picking, which quite frankly is no different from old fashioned key style locks also susceptible to drilling and picking think about door locks by putting them in three baskets the conventional non connected dead bolts. SMART locks. And then retrofit smart locks retrofit locks replace the interior side of your deadbolt, which allows you to essentially keep your existing deadbolt and keys while gaining smart features such as remote control and auto unlocking all include a link to a great article by consumer reports on their review of all these three categories which they tested and reviewed. Let's dip our toes in the water of this subject by discussing the smart doorbells. Now with that I will say the smart ones aren't necessarily aesthetically pleasing I'm excited for the day when the aesthetic of a traditional doorbell can be incorporated into the design of the smart doorbells. The ARLO video doorbell was the top pick by the new. York Times for video doorbells citing it delivers fewer false alerts than any other video doorbell tested with a subscription plan that can distinguish among people, animals, cars, and packages. It also shows a more complete head to toe view in the front of your doorway. It includes a built in siren to scare away intruders and has an internal battery. In case, the power goes out it also kept false alerts a problem with many models. To a minimum for that advanced sensing and the ability to capture video clips up to five minutes. Long you need a three dollar per month are low smart subscription. The ARLO also captures crisp video with fifteen, thirty, six by fifteen, thirty, six resolution and a wide one, hundred eighty degree viewing angle in a square format. This provides a comprehensive vertical and horizontal view of what's going on in front of your door whether it's deliveries or visiting raccoons it also integrates with smart home systems. The Nest hello is capable of streaming live hd footage to your phone. So no matter where you are you can still see who's there. It comes with three prerecorded messages for when you're not home and you can even teach it to recognize familiar faces and send a special alert unlike other motion sensing video doorbells, nests, video, doorbell streams, and records video twenty, four, seven even in the dark it's the most advanced diy smart doorbell because unlike others it records and stores, video twenty, four, seven at sixteen hundred by twelve hundred pixels, which is still crisp but. Slightly lower resolution than Arlo and you fee for easy access Google cloud service. Also automatically tags clips that include motion or people using facial recognition software to learn identify over time WHO's coming and going this comprehensive approach does come with an elevated price. However, a nest aware subscription, which is essential for video recording costs more than others for storage. If you pay annually, you can save a few bucks pricing can rise and fall for all things. So I'll put a list in the podcast notes. So you can check current pricing depending on when you're listening to the episode. The security video doorbell includes a lot of features that most companies charge for such as enough internal memory to store up to thirty days worth of video, as well as the to distinguish between people and other motion like birds or swing branches. They say, they do however think the Arlo was a little more. In. This area, the up doesn't have as wide a viewing angle as the ARLO, but the doorbell creates clear recordings as long as motion is detected for up to five minutes and it stores those clips in its four gigabytes of built in memory. Because the doesn't have a cloud component. You don't have to worry about bandwidth caps or added fees for cloud plans. But if you're camera gets stolen, you'll lose that video. If you prefer to use the cloud, it's not an option that you feel offers yet although when you listen to this, it may be an option, and although the draws power from your existing doorbell wires, it won't work with your existing Chime, but it does include its own wireless plugging chime. So they said they feel like it's not a big problem. Blue by ADT, he is freedom from contracts and it is diy setup cameras, doorbells, security system all of it blues cameras are currently compatible with the Amazon Echo and I f t t t the apple home kit compatibility is coming soon, you choose between a full diy system or advanced smart cameras, and even the alerts you get and how you receive them. You can speak to visitors or housemates with your cameras to way talk feature. If you have cameras in your home, you can see what's up with the live hd feed from your cameras and get instant alert's for motion detection and facial recognition events. As always I'll post information in the podcast notes. You need to see Spore doorbells Dude when Ted Pearson a western Washington University alum considered objects in the design environment that could use an overhaul. He realized the doorbell button was due for some attention Pearson and former business partner. Tom Gordon received accolades for prototypes from top design magazines and spore was created in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, six. The True Line is available in several metal finishes and is available with or without illumination. It is also the smallest in diameter of their doorbell button. So it can be used in spots with tighter constraints. I love that it is available in traditional metal finish with aluminum. Giving it a modern and clean vibe. The illumination color can change the style that black hardware conveys. For example, blue illumination on a black true doorbell button makes it very contemporary. Amber illumination makes the black resonate with older and traditional craftsman style houses, white illumination, and black doorbell buttons read super-modern and minimal get. It also looks fantastic on traditional homes and modern farm houses. They also carry the ring door chimes in black into sizes and it's compatible with video. Doorbell systems as well as spore doorbell buttons. I'm going to include a link to a blog post by Clare Hafer a design and illustrator that put together a fabulous visual collection, a front doors that you can peruse and these images. Many Times give you one snap of all these components in one vignettes. You can see how the doorbell door handle mail slot or door knocker all play in the same sandbox. See You can't. Make a choice on one without considering the other all the components, the door color even if it's would will need to be considered when thinking of its handle dark door with Dr Candle would blend in dark door with brighter handle. We'll stand out mail slot on the door or mail slot next to it in the wall maybe you have a mailbox at the street, and so you don't need a mail slot at. All that might free up enough space for a door knocker or maybe you omit all of those things in the name of minimalism and clean lines or even for windows for letting in more light. If your front door is going to be a bright punch of color, you might consider what else you include in that same color because too many things painted. The same can become matchy matchy and diy gone wrong real fast. Because, there are virtually an unlimited amount of combinations. I would recommend you go down this rabbit hole of examining and studying front doors. So you can eliminate what you don't like, and then start to dial in the door color, which then allows you to step back again and determine the doorbell and handle aesthetics. Next let's talk about two other front door relevant items the kick. Plate and the door knocker. The kick plate is a sheet of material attached to the bottom of your door to protect it from damage and gets its name from as you might imagine when people kick the door open because they have their hands full, you don't need a kick plate but if you anticipate a lot of wear and tear, this might be a good idea. Door knockers are sometimes hung on the exterior of the door to and according to my research. They are more popular in England than any other country and can be found everywhere even in the most remote locations. One of the most enduring themes for knockers has been the lion's head symbolizing bravery, nobility strength, and valour lion's head knockers were popular in the American colonies up until the revolution when the Eagle took precedence. So now, I'm dying to know if any of you have an eagle or lionhead door knocker I geek out on history and would love to see any original door knockers. You might have by posting them on social media with the Hashtag home space and reason. As a realtor when I'm showing buyers a home as I'm unlocking the lock box, that may be I don't know linked to the front porch railing. For example, they have time to observe what shape the door is in what the door handle looks like how much care the owner took in maintaining this home. So much can be derived in this one to two minute block of time while we briefly pause for entry. oftentimes, buyers don't even realize an impression has already been made. If, you happen to know someone in the market to buy or sell in the greater metro Portland Oregon area kindly send them my way. The finest compliment I could ever receive is the confidence of your referral. Let's talk about finishes for the doorbells knockers, handles, hinges, and locks. At. Other time have we had such immence choices ordering online has opened up the Purchase of goods like never before allowing us to buy from artisans in tiny towns far from where we ourselves live. I'm going to cover just a chunk which by no means represents a complete list, but it will get your squirrel running. Aged bronze works exceptionally well with ornate craftsman style aesthetic, but it's certainly not limited to that. Oil rubbed. Bronze lends itself to Mediterranean and Tuscan settings. The Dark Brown tones in the hardware lends itself to warm colors. Oil rubbed bronze is a living finish that changes over time to give it constantly evolving presentations but aged bronze comes with the two-tone look that oil rubbed bronze will eventually get. The difference is that the oil rubbed bronze comes from being used so it is unique to you. Satin nickel and stainless steel are both silverish. But the finish of stainless is always shiny whereas satin or brushed nickel has a matt or semigloss finish. Polished chrome and bright chrome are both shiny silver almost high gloss in its reflective properties but easily shows fingerprints and smudging. It's inspired by the art Deco Movement and the jazzy style of the roaring twenties, but can easily transition into the minimalist approach of the thirties and forties that's becoming more popular and modern styling. Satin brass will remind you of the gold that was so popular in the nineteen nineties because it was all the rage. Antique brass is a modern version if you're going for gold finish and is becoming one of the most popular choices for the home. Matte black will give you a modern look that takes style cues from wrought iron fences and fixtures by blacksmiths in the colonial era. So although that gives you a modern look. It's a subtle nod to the blacksmiths of gone by. Copper is finished that I adore because you don't see it everywhere usually copper on the outside of a home near the ocean will Patina more quickly than copper located inland. Over time, it will Patina to a deep bronze color and finally to a distinct green color. The PATINA process of copper is so completely natural and one of the biggest draws for people who like it's look. However, if you prefer the newer look like a copper penny, it can be restored with the help of some products and a little elbow grease. The knobs pulls and handles on your cabinetry indoors inside your home are one of the only things you're going to be touching every single day from simply walking into the bathroom to grabbing a glass of water, you need the knobs and handles to both be beautiful and highly functional. This topic is so closely related to the front door hardware. We're talking about today that I wanted to mention episode twenty, four here I deep dive into the aesthetic she want the function you need and options available. So if you haven't had a chance to listen to episode twenty four or you did and want a refresher have another listen I, even include a list of drool worthy online hardware shops you can peruse until your heart's content. And now for the questions to ask yourself a Bouchier home space and your reason. Question Number One. Is My front door dark. Light or medium in color. This could be paint or wood or metal. Put it in one of these three color intensity categories, dark light or medium, and then. Consider question number to. Do I, want my doorbell and or handle to stand out or be more subtle against the door or house color. Do I want swagger or understated style. Do, I want to put some jewelry of sorts on my mid century modern house by finding the right door accessories that convey that era. Based, on your answers here, it will guide you toward dark or light metal doorbells, handles or mail slots. Question number three, what does your doormat convey and how could your doorbell or handles negatively compete with it or positively compliment it similar to wearing a giant statement making necklace with an understated plain black dress. You don't want to many things screaming for attention and therefore competing. So if you have a simple in clean doormat may be or doorbell and handle could have a little more to say. Just this past week, I enjoyed doing a home functionality coaching session with a wonderful client named Selena from the UK. She went to my website space and reason dot com and clicked on the imagine. Tab. Was discussed her very long living room and the challenges she's had over the years in furnishing it to feel right What fun it was learning about her and her family, the things she loves the many ways this room functions it's no matter where you live I can do video home functionality consult with you. You're going to want subscribe to this podcast and join the facebook group called Home Space and reason if you're anything like me, you appreciate visual examples and so the two go hand in hand if you subscribe and generally listen as the podcasts are released, it's relatively easy to reference the coinciding images hitting the social media pages. The private facebook group is a good place to post questions and chime in with like minded people. If, you haven't had a chance yet please read a quick review because it lets others know that this is a podcast worth listening to thanks for Geeking out with me today I. Look Forward to senior posts about your doorbells, your door knockers and accessories using the Hashtag home space and reason I'll meet you back here for the next episode.

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20191128 Nicole Sandler Show - A Musical Thanksgiving

The Nicole Sandler Show

59:59 hr | 10 months ago

20191128 Nicole Sandler Show - A Musical Thanksgiving

"Broadcast throughout the sprawling all in outskirts of the Florida everglades indeed intellectual yielded itself South through the outer regions of attitude. That people do do just because it does your stove. This is a goal Sadler. Show you welcome. Welcome to Thanksgiving happy Thanksgiving everyone. I'm Nicole Sandler It we're going to do things a little all different today. Is You'll notice. We didn't start out with the language disclaimer because today we are family friendly. It is Thanksgiving after all and today Eh. Because it's Thanksgiving we're not gonNA talk politics in fact we're not gonNA talk much at all instead. I thought I'd supply the soundtrack for your Thanksgiving get together today. I put on my disc jockey hat and play some of my favorite songs expressing gratitude. So happy Thanksgiving. I think we'll start with an artist. Who Adore who sadly never cut through to the big time? His name is Francis done ary. He's an incredible guitar harp player by the way he toured with Robert Plant so he had to play all the Jimmy Page Guitar Parts. Anyway this is from his album tall blonde helicopter. It's called grateful and thankful happy. Thanksgiving from the Nicole Sandler so the great spur Um Hide him read Versailles Saddam on legislation. Down Your owns into Scarlet takes busy down to the the job. ooh Oh solving would do this thing Where deny the dome leading uh-huh into This leave the. He's smart a cell for so long now. That Eddie comes naturally great home now. All I just spoke to the late the whole now sneeze it. Awesome Yeah Yeah. Yeah it. The DOT Nick AH The yeah every day the Sir they do right here at the home of rock and roll. We won't talk business what we have to do. We're going to ask you take the way we won't do that. We take yourself so what we wall by to scream. And how can we got the screaming. We're going to turn into a red zone in the Record or you don't uh-huh yeah feet that's all Tom Head Eh in an take. Aw Aw it AH In the original verse of thank. Thank you from Sam and Dave Asong. It's been reported by so many great artists from the top to the commitments to Bonnie Raitt. Happy Thanksgiving gene eh ask her. UH UH-HUH IT safety lack. You did after it can apple He's gone now doc. Clouds mile windows can't see it but that is not so bad. It's not so bad. Join too much last night to my head does bills taint. Stop the hell today off and then you call me. It's not so bad it's not so bad stay I just uh-huh carousal okay. And you had sat a has Justin David aw ED Yeah uh-huh. That's the talking heads. Thank you for sending me an angel. We heard Dido's thank you and Bonnie Raitt version of I thank you following following the Sam and Dave version. I'm Nicole Sandler. This is our Thanksgiving Day musical soundtrack of saying thank you. We'll keep the music going with. Ben Folds you too. Thank happy Thanksgiving from the Nicole. familar show time WHO's wearing off it out on the Sidewalk Tattoo? That looked like rains. Uh knobs Dad Should Polaroid friends. He'd been in the band Eh than we knew say dance and while we jumped off the deep end uh came around every panelist the ad and they see so and smiled and paddle haw guy. Can Ed say in the long. Aw the time Pas was where we were standing on the sidewalk tattoos. Look like rings and I got I thought Turkeys could fly the sun with you would still be loving one. My own terms crumble to the sea Oh Aw eh la together take a mile. Yeah The and so today my world. It's Ma well who your hand in my we walk. Thanks did you you to me. They do in the Sun John with Hugh too shy would still be loving you. CLUMBER see Eh Uh Kim around stretches back and forth was and just to please my own. But I don't know thank thank you it in the style. A huge dam is blanket. Now a call during in the math. Food is wild on it by the Stream. uh-huh uh-huh yeah Eh She's Guaranteed Oh she got shing on a That's World Party. Thank you world on this Thanksgiving Thursday. I'm Nicole Sandler. Were opting for the musical gratitude. Today we are going to get to a Thanksgiving classic. No thanksgiving is complete without. Arlo Guthrie's Alice's Restaurant Massa cree so that's coming coming up right after this one. The last song for our thank you set is brand new from the late. Great Leonard Cohen. His fifteenth and final studio album was just released last week. It was produced by his son. Adam and here's the title track. It's called thanks for the dance. Happy Thanksgiving from the Nicole Sandler shop was a Dan. I'm sorry you're tired. The evening hardly begun. Thanks try to inspire one two three one two three. Come on as a rose in a band. You've been wearing this costume so the muse. Aw Stop at the surface surface fine. We tall need to go deeper. Thanks thanks Dan Maverick. One two one two three one on the Dan and the baby carried it was all the daughter are shown has nothing to do but to one and You Long Lewis Man. We're joining in the spirit. John John and panic or Karen. If we've come to some sort of agreement Aw Aw was fast they were. I will last in the temple the Green and the Blue Blue I in engy worse. The crisis was lay Thanks off the Dan it was. Hello ooh that was well. It was fun all dance. True true true it. The song's called Alice's restaurant and the restaurant around but Alice's restaurant is not the name of the restaurant that's just the name of the song called saw Alice's his restaurant. You can get anything. Can you want at Alice's dressed. You can get anything you want at decisions restaurant. Uh Walk around the back just a half a mile from the railroad you can get anything you address. Atmosphere and Rasmus all started to thanksgivings ago. Two years ago on Thanksgiving when my friend denied I went up to visit out. Let's have to rest around but I'm this doesn't live in the restaurant. She lives in the church nearby. The restaurant in the Bell Tower. Where husband ray and dog living in the bell tower like that? They got a lot of room downstairs. Where the fuse used to be and having all that room seen as they took out all the pews? They decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time. We got up there. We found all the garbage man. We decided audited be a friendly gesture for taking the garbage down to the city dump so we took the half a tonne car in the back of a red VW microbus. I took shovels and Rakes and implements up distraction ebanon toward the city dom we got there and the Big Sun and it chain across the dump saying closed on Thanksgiving. We had never heard of the dump closed on Thanksgiving before and with tears in our eyes with drove off into the sunset looking for another place but the garbage time John came to a side road. Not The side of the aside road was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the cliff was another problem with garbage and we decided that one big files better than two little piles house and rather than bring that one up. We decided to throw our's down. What we Dan drove back to the church at Thanksgiving dinner? That couldn't be went to sleep sleep and didn't get up until the next morning when we got a phone call mops thirlby geared With Your name on envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage and just wanted to know if you had any information about it and I said yes off. Serbia cannot tell the line. I put that envelope funding that garbage after speaking over forbath about forty five minutes on the telephone with finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we have to go down and pick up garbage and also had to go down and speak to them Matt Wli Officer Station so we got in the red. VW Microbus with shovels and rakes and headed on toward the police officers station. Now France hands. There was only one or two things. That'll be down at the police station. And the I was to give us a metal bands of brave and honest on the telephone which one very lucky when we didn't expect it. Another thing was that it could evolve. South told US never to be seen driving garbage around vicinity again. which is what we inspected but when we got to the police officer station there was a third possibility that we encountered upon and we was both immediately arrested? I am and I said. I don't think I can pick up garbage. What these handcuffs on the shut up again the back of the patrol car and that's what we did sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the quote senior crime? I'm close about the town of Stockbridge Massachusetts. What is happening here? They got three stop signs two police officers and one police car but when we got the crime there was five police officers and three. You believe cars being the biggest crime of the last fifty years and everybody wanted to get in a newspaper story about it and they was using up all kinds of cop equipment equipment that they had hanging around the police station. They were taken plaster tire tread footprints Donald Smell and brands. And it took twenty. Seventy five pound uncover glossy photographs were circles and our and our paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against took the pictures of the approach. The getaway northglenn cornered South West Corner. And that's not to mention the aerial photography. After the ordeal. We went back to the jail. Hobie said is GONNA put us in L. At kid I'M GONNA put in cell. I want your wallet and your belt. What's that Obama can understand? You want my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in itself but what you want about foreign said we don't want any hang and did you think I was going to hang myself for littering Mike Insurance France. Ob was because he took out the toilet seat. So I couldn't get myself over the hand ground and it took out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars. Roll out the roll the toilet paper out the window signs down the role role have netscape making sure and it was about four or five hours later that avid remember the song about Alan Bond with a few nasty words to Obie on the side bailed us out of jail. We went back to the church and another Thanksgiving dinner. That couldn't be didn't get up until the next morning when we all have to go to court walked in sat down Obie came in with the twenty seven eight by town. hourglasses pictures with the circles and arrows paragraph on the back each one that downed man came in and said Oh we all stood up and Oh baby step up but twenty seven eight by ten covered loss of pictures and the judge walked and sat down with the dog that now we sat down obie looked at the dog. Then that one seventy five southbound card lousy into circles paragraph on the back each which one and look at the dog and then twenty seven eight nine ten covered loss pictures with the circles and hours paragraph on the back each one and began to try all became to the realization that it was a typical case of American blind justice. And there wasn't nothing he could do about it and the judge wasn't wasn't gonNA look at one. Zero seven eight ten dossier fiction circles an hour than a paragraph on. Each one's tweeted what he was to be used against us and we was fined fifty dollars and had to pick up the garbage in the snow. But that's not what I came to tell you about. Talk about the draft bill down New York City. That is called Whitehall street where you walk in you. Get injected inspected detected infected knee. blatancy liked and I went down to get my physical examination. Dan Awhile Kim aside got good and drunk before start looked and felt. I've asked one. When isn't that morning? I wanted to look all American kid from New York City. Man I wanted. I wanted to feel like I wanted to be all American kid from New York and I walked in sat down down down hung up and all kinds of mean nasty ugly things and I want to step down again. A piece of paper said get see the psychiatrist room sick so far and I went up there shrink. WanNa kill all I wanNA kill Gil I wanna I wanna see I wanna see blood and guts veins Katif burnt bodies. I mean kill. He'll get opponent jumping up and down and down jumping. Arjun came over them down the hall at your feel good about proceeded on down the home. Get More interactions inspections detection neglect and all kinds of stuff that they were doing to me the thing. They're now saying two hours three four hours. I was there for a long time going through all kinds of nasty things and I just having a tough time there and they was inspecting expecting injecting. Every single part of me and they wasn't Levi no part untouched proceeded through and you came to see the very last man I walked in walked down. Sat down after a home big thing there and walked up kid. We only got one question. Have you ever been arrested. Not preceded the town the story of Alice's restaurant NASA cre- with full orchestration orchestration and fire part harmony and stuff like that and then all the phenomena stop right there and said kid. Did you ever go to court Down the store the twenty seven eight by town covered losses pictures with the circles and and paragraph on the MAC each one. Stop it right. Parents say kid. I want you to go over and sit down on. That bench says group W now kid And I walked over to the bench. There narrows his group. W's where the where the puts you if you may not be moral enough to join me after committing your special crime. Here was all kinds of mean nasty. Ugly Look and people on the bench. There is the other members fathers favors father. RAPER's percent right there on the bench next next the man one meaning when Parliament Cram on Gaza sitting there on event and the meanest ugliest nastiest one the main of bothering them all was coming over to me and he was meaning asked in Harp on all kinds of things and sat down next to me said would yeah that I didn't get nothing. I had to pay fifty dollars pick up the garbage. They said well. We rested for Kidney said veteran and they all moved away from me on the bench. They're area Ball and all kinds of mean nasty things don't asset in creating a nuisance and they all came back and we had a great time on the bench talking about Karma to spam bothering all kinds of things it'd be we're talking about on the bench and everything was fine. We were smoking cigarettes and all kinds of things. Until the Sargeant. He came over at some big brand his hand held it up. Sad gives this as a favorite got four to seven worth. I'm Sam centered centered thing Banville about Afghanistan. You GotTa Sign Board Order minutes and nobody understood a word that is said but we had fun filled out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there. I failed about the massacre with four part harmony and wrote it down there just it was and everything was fine and but down a penicillin turned turned over the piece of paper. And and they're they're on the other side in the middle of this side away from everything else on that in parentheses capital letter you read the following words get do rehabilitate yourself. Food to start said Sergeant. You've got a lot of them. Go Ask me. If I've rehabilitated. Myself me I mean. I mean I'm sitting here on a bench me. I'm sitting here on a group W bench because you WANNA know L. A.. found moral enough to John. Burn women kids houses and villages after being litterbug. Did Miss Take it on. Like your kind and we're gonNA send your fingerprints off to Washington somewhere wire. Washington enshrined in some little folders studying black in one of my fingerprints and Nola the reason. I'm singing this song because you may know somebody in a similar situation or you may be in a similar situation relation and if you're in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do is walk into the shrimp wherever you are. Just walk in say shrink You anything you own atlases roused around the mall cow. You know if one person just one person does it. They may think he's really sick and they won't take him and if two people two people we'll do it in harmony thank you both faggots and it won't take you there and if three reading can you imagine. Three people walking in Cinnabar Alice's restaurant walking out they may. I think it's an organization and can can you imagine fifty people a day some fifty people a day. Walking in singing more Alice's the rest are walking up and friends. They may think it's a movement and that's what it is in the analysts restaurant and Tom Massa create movement and all you gotTa do to join is the next time it comes around on guitar with Feelin so we'll wait it till it comes around on the guitar. Here sing it when it does you can. And if you want at Alice's rest there you rest while riding around your the half a mile from the river and you are Arl one in Warren stuff. You GotTa Sing Loud. Look up and singing the song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing for another twenty five minutes not brown or tire so away till it comes around again and this time with four part harmony and eh we're just lighting for to come around with Madonna you again. At Alice's restaurant sending out is now the rest of the wall around the half a mile from railroad. And Ah AH UH thanksgiving classic from Arlo Guthrie. Alice's restaurant Matt Secre and with that we come to the end of our musical. Addition of the Nicole sampler show to celebrate thanksgiving. I hope you're having a wonderful day enjoying your family. Enjoying food. The steering clear of politics for one day a year anyway and in today's the day that I say. Thank you for your support for helping. Keep my show going listening chiming in feeding back and caring because the stakes have never been higher. I'll leave you with one more. Thank you song this one. I'm from the Beatles. I'm Nicole Sandler wishing you your family. Your friends a very happy thanksgiving. Let's take on the world. I mean avenue album. They do ooh nine. No Way uh-huh.

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Mt. Rushmore of Quarantine Parenting

Mt. Rushmore Podcast

26:34 min | 6 months ago

Mt. Rushmore of Quarantine Parenting

"Greetings welcome to the Mount Rushmore. Podcast special remote episode. Richard Michael and Jeff are social distancing from each other as is their responsibility. Yeah you probably can guess where you to find this recording in the future that this is recorded during the time of the corona virus Novel Corona Virus Quarantine and. I hope you're hearing this in either a safe place currently or a much much Less Fearful and more healthy place in the future My Name Is Jeff and I'm joined has always been a good friends. Richard Arlo and Michael. Howdy and Richard and Michael usually debate and deliberate Hotly heatedly The most ubiquitous to them aspects of any given topic But now they're probably very simpatico with some points of view that they have as they are both parents and have been thrust into this Role that many people have recently and that is a teen parent. So this is the Mount Rushmore of corentin parenting ritual. You all all of my all of my hot takes are currently I can only get two of them at a time at the supermarket. Oh okay so whatever hear. Whatever I give out here isn't well thought out and very limited and also it just might just be a can of just random vegetables. I don't know what I grabbed a I am not apparent I don't understand or I probably I probably don't have a lot to identify with. I have a cat that is very low maintenance so my judgment will be dancing. My judgment will be very lenient but as Richard His parenting numbers Not just one Lovely young daughter but a fine young man. He's he's got. You beat to to once a richer is going to start. Michael sure super so my first one is the fact that we haven't killed each other yet. I is that good or bad. Well that would that would limit the number of males we needed to feed so that would be in theory a net positive but I think that my first one is just keep lowering your expectations setting the bar. Low for your parenting. I think everyone thought like when this first started first off we didn't know how long it was going to sorry our idea in our head for how long we'd have to do this. I think different than what the reality was then. Secondly I think we all had a lot of us had ideas in our heads. Oh it'll be great. We'll spend time with our family will play. Games do arts and crafts and that lasted about a day. Yeah I think about about day to day three is when we all realize. Oh Shit this is what it's really like So my first choice is just keeping the kids from killing each other. What I mean by that is very specifically when this offer started. I think you know when we found out haters and we quarantines kids are home from school. Nobody knew how long this was gonNA take. You know I thought maybe it'd be a few weeks or maybe you know now. It looks like it's the whole school year and I think that if you look at your this is the kind of the classic and we talked about this. I think in one of our social media episodes that you see other parents and what they're putting out on instagram is. They're doing these incredible arts and crafts projects with their kids. And Look what we've made and we're doing all this independent study and where the kids are just loving learning every day and it's like I think for most of us the reality is we're just trying to make sure the kids don't go Farrell. Really what they're alive. Nobody's killed each other. Nobody's burn down the House and at some point. You just need to set your expectations to a certain point. Yeah so I think that's overall my first one is just. I think we've all learned to lower our expectations and just be happy with with what we can do with our kids. I think that there is like there's that initial moment was like Oh good I get to work from home. I don't have to go into the office. Sure Mike it'll be running around. It'll be fine. We'll have a schedule and then as you said you know day and a half in it's Lord of the flies and the cat's head on a stick in your life. I was not ready for this. I was not ready for this. It really goes to show that. Like you can be a fulltime parent or you can be employed full time or you can maybe have a part time job and take care of your kid half the time but you can't do like all three of those jobs no and if you have two parents that are working from home like me and my wife. It is just like we're asking smash of demolition in to like see who is. Who's going to like? Get this kid in a lovable headlock next and like he's he's beating us all right. Michael. What's your first choice. My first choice is just inseparable combination of coffee in wind. It started in yanks it just it just starts with coffee and coffee lasts a little bit longer a little bit longer a little bit longer and then you know halfway through. It's just like like like I said a tag team. Just hands off to here. Comes that glass of wine? It's four o'clock that's right normally have class away at four o'clock. I'm still working at four o'clock. I'm driving home at four thirty. I'm picking my kid and wrangling him. And it's just like it's that the coffee CREPE Goes one way and the wine goes the other way and at some point you just start feeling like like a parody of an eighty stockbroker. Who's just using a person downers to like to figure out how he's GonNa fight this volatile market in his head on the stock on the floor of Wall Street. And you're just like Oh my God. What is what is this day I get up then something to bring me down and this is with one kid. I can't imagine like two kids or more right. Yeah but he's he's he's he's also like not the most independent kid because he's used to only being around us really on the weekends where he can like run wild with us. And that's all the time we have with them aside from like you know right when he gets up and rights when he goes to bed so like he's not used to all the changes and he's not used to us having to you know. Pass them around all day a coffee tell us about your Jeff. Tell us about your cat again. Okay well about four A M. She starts to want food and feed her and then about fifteen minutes later. She's addicted to whip cream so she wants to whip cream and then nothing until about three in the afternoon and then we got a feeder again. Pretty high maintenance My goodness aren't thought about getting. Have you thought about getting an automatic CAT FEEDER? And just just just getting rid of all. Parental responsibilities. Sounds pretty good rival Amazon in March of Twenty. Twenty one right. Yeah Richard. What's your second choice are my second one is actually a a silver lining out of all of this I've got One of the things with my son. Seidman who is not quite eight yet. is that he has p. e. That he supposed to be doing every day now. They're pretty loose with what it's supposed to be could be yoga They'd give you lots of different APP like options. You can go online and kind of get exercises but what. He has decided that he likes to do for his pe or two things when he likes to go outside and play catch with me and he never played catch with me before. But if I can't imagine suggesting haven go have a throw it'd be no sure like he had no interest in that suddenly now. This is what he wants to do every day at noon. Okay it's time for time for my p. Let's go outside and throw the ball around in the other thing is we've been going back on. Pokemon on walks lately right which you know back to the golden age of twenty seventeen back when the world was somewhat sing. That's funny that's cute winfield. Well that kind of dovetails into my pick. Which is I am thankful. We have an indoor kid. I do not have one of those kids. You know Felix's going on three just a couple of months but he's not someone who is so desperate to be outdoors all the time. He doesn't WANNA bike ride. He you know. He likes to go to the park and on the playground. But that's kind of both closed down. But this kid is just into stickers and his books and reading and playing with his characters and doing things around the house and kind of always has been so. I feel like even though you know. He's looking for an attention. You can't quite get like I can't imagine if I had a kid that was just bouncing off the walls because they can't get out onto their trampoline or go out to their soccer practice or go out to do their assigned. Pe thing he doesn't you know heap definitely misses physicality of running around his daycare at a school. But like man. I just I feel so lucky that like I don't know it's it's definitely a kid. That is a quote indoor kid and maybe that's just part of you know him growing up in our apartment and he's just used to it sort of thing. We don't have a backyard. We have small balcony that he can go outside on Like I don't know this parenting while having to keep your kids indoors. I imagine it's so difficult for so many people you don't think Morrissey songs to him in Utero that he's an indoor kid the little. Listen I when I do. Put them down for a nap or to sleep at night. I will sing Some girls are bigger than others He gets So he also get. I'm judy and the dream of horses by US. And so you know if if he joins up the grows up to join the dark parade then or the blackberry. Then we'll know okay so we are at our halftime and You got time and folks You've got timing two hands to go back and listen to the back Catalogue Mount Rushmore podcast. And you've probably looking at social media twenty four seven so you would have an opportunity to go out there and join us in the dialogue. Let us know what you think about that back catalogue if you didn't already give stars or whatever in itunes or whatever the reader is now and but you tell us What new episodes we could Discuss like the wine coffee ratio. What's the exact ratio of that what to do with an indoor kid Any any given topic we'd love to debate it So we invite you to get in the dialogue on facebook twitter instagram. And Join US and let us know what you think and especially especially since it feels like we're going to be doing a lot more prescient episodes or more recording equally rather than being able to get together and we're kind of gang record episodes. It would be like anything topical. I think would be good for us since I mean all of my attention is I love you guys you guys. Are This podcast at all. I'm I'm definitely if we were had done that. Mount Rushmore of conspiracies. I'm really really curious. About how zoom took off for everybody. It's like right up there with Tiger King Tiger King just hand in hand taking over everybody at the same at the same moment yeah zoom hit like toffee. Faye hit in my high school senior. Tobe marrone zoom hit like toby hit in my schooling all of a sudden every kid for me. It was the so we are in the third round. Richard gets to let us know what is Third Joyce's so one of the things I think. My third choice is a things you don't realize will be out of stock I'm the designated. Hunter gatherers slash shopper in my family. Same here I'm right win the Quarantine back in moods that in between stage wherever it was basically inside we all knew the quarantine was coming been hadn't officially been announced yet I remember my daughter who's almost thirteen loves to bake and she had decided that was something that she'd like to do while she's kind of stuck inside and my son likes to bake to so we thought oh great. We'll go get some baking stuff. Went TO THE STORE. No flour no yeast. Now I've been able to find flower a couple of times since then various trips I have yet to really find yeast anywhere Richard. I've got three packets and if you're willing to to good decent black market east trading. Let's find out what else is in your stock. We'll see what's going on. I've got toilet. Paper is All I knew. I'm fine there so yeah so it's it's if you would've asked me it in if we're in. Some sort of hoarding situation would yeast. Be One of the things that would be people would be making a run on. I wouldn't have said that no but here we are. I'm surprised I do. I haven't used yeast since the eighties and ahead. Baking machine things at baked the bread overnight. Sure Yeah I had one of those but My brother-in-law came over to borrow flour. I've heard more people comment. Flour and yeast and baking stuff is gone. I just never use it. Yeah the shelves are like completely like emptied out at flour and yeast and a lot of the baking stuff. You know I guess. People are like my daughter and my wife and my son. They're just at home depot with nothing else to do baking his way to kind of. Keep your hands busy. It's up to you and also have food stuff in your mouth. Is your depression eating. Oh Yeah I think I think the two that I I kind of weak like hit everybody in hit shelves hit. It was like such a shock that things were just not there that you're so used to being there. You're so used just getting any sort of loaf of bread of any type of any grain that you wanted and then you walk into a store on a Thursday or that Friday of two weeks ago or whatever it was and you couldn't find you know a half round of San Francisco sourdot just like I don't understand how my world is falling apart. Now what am I going to do for my precious breakfast sandwiches on Saturday morning? But like I think people naturally kind of evolved to well. I just make myself. So then the the Fleischmann's self rising yeast run goes on and everyone starts thinking that they can just start baking bread that they're missing yet right you know. Give it a couple of weeks and the bread comes back and you know. I've gone shopping twice and just Scott early enough and I've had no trouble finding just about anything. You just have to time it. You've got to figure it out and you just have to put the effort into shopping. Winfield third choice. My third choice is boy. Teachers aren't paid enough. I think that was just const. I think that was pretty. That's also my third by the way my forte. So I think that was like I think that was pretty well established and has been for the history of teachers that when you're in a role that you're not used to and you're supposed to be an educator as well as a parent those are two different things and there's a would almost made my my cut but didn't just a word patients because there has to be a patients with teachers especially for my toddler. You know we're doing these zoom meetings as well with his his daycare his his school and the kids are just bananas and I. They're not paying attention. They're just the cameras on them and they don't know what to do and they're screaming at each other than the teachers trying to read. I mean you know this is this is a daycare and this is for kids. You know five and under she's trying to read one story do one lesson and it's just it is so difficult and she doesn't show any of like the signs of like frustration that mere my wife show like we're just like pulling at our own hair to get him to look at it like an IPAD and like I can't imagine what it's like to have twelve these little kids in you know one room but few teachers trying to get them to. Oh my God. These people need to be making so much more money. Yeah No I. It doesn't get any better when they get older. I can tell you that I know my son. His second. Grade his They've moved there Monday their morning meeting. They have a couple of times a week at least now and it's an hour with the teacher and as many kids who want to show up and it is just chaos like you said it. Is the teachers trying today. They tried to play twenty questions. And so you have like fifteen at seven and eight year olds also shouting answers simultaneously. Then she'd after mute everybody try and get them to go one at a time on meet them and then just a cacophony of noise coming back to the point where Simon is frustrated with these meetings because he can't actually say anything because everyone else's burying on so much just screaming pointing at the camera and waving in making silly noises and stuff like that so it has definitely opened our eyes to who feel is trying to impress at his school sitting there. And he's like David David David David Kay look look and then he pretends to fall down and the David Look Look at himself in the head with a stick. David David K. And you're like Oh my God David case from cult leader or something. I'm a little concerned here. What's going on he has. He has a tiny black moustache and a big Red Jumpsuit and the Baby Messiah. They call it. Yeah it's getting weird out there but like get more money. This is what I say about about the first time. I tried to sit in on one of those meetings. Yeah it was like us on a related note. I found a sound board meeting. So my things are GONNA get way more exciting for the next few weeks and months and however long. I can't see where this is going to be a problem at all you. It's me woody Allen to one person has experienced during the nineteen eighteen months. Look I hear you complaining about being parents. During what is this corona virus? They call it the novel Corona Virus. Oh my more like a short story. You're going to get through this just fine. I had to take care of three young daughters at I got the Spanish flu at pair impairs. Three peace talks for World War. One you go there. You try to make peace heats croissants you smoke some Gal IOS whatever cigarettes. I catch the Spanish flu these going here. I'm going to your wikipedia page just to see what accent my my. My daughter's my three wonderful daughters. Every day. It's daddy can reboot the hoop and stick game. Eighty we WANNA slide on a block of Ice Daddy. The Cup in ballgame broke the string. You know these kids in all their toys so high maintenance and you know at their their teachers you know they got that new fancy blackboard. Chalk Board thing that you have to do all the book learning THEY WANNA. Pass me the chalkboard. I'm supposed to correct older their home. They haven't invented erasers yet. The WHO know so. I got a wet. Wet My tie and rub off the chalk with the. Do you get there all the calculations wrong so you guys hang in there. It's all going to be fun. Thank you Mr President. Yes practice practice. Good hygiene bathed once a year good hygiene and pour some poor whiskey all over your body if you need well where well ahead you on that one. So we're good all right gentlemen Woody Allen wasn't GonNa see you later wikipedia war the names. Your daughter's I don't know what do you out. Hey Guys I'm back Jeff Jeff. You'll never believe what happened. I probably won't know I'LL LISTEN TO THE PODCAST. I'll find out what's your Richard. Oh that was my fourth. We agreed on that one. We did. Okay what's your in agreement? That teachers are whatever they're paid should be paid five times that yes yeah very essential workers that is for darn sure the Winfield. Wrap it up my last one and this is the most frivolous. But I can't listen to podcasts. Have no time. I've no time they're stacking up. There is just. I CAN'T I. You know this corona virus We were sent by God or as we call her guy to rid. The world of climate change deniers of baby boomers of trump voters and of podcasters. Because no one is listening to podcasts. Because they can't either the either all the single people that don't have kids are still listening to podcasts. But no parents are because there is just I. I can get through nine minutes of a podcast when I walk my dog. In the rest of the time it's working and fighting off toddler for attention and trying to entertain him and play with him and then going back to work and trying to work for thirty minutes while my wife steps in and then I step in and just like you know. It's it's the death of free time as we know it and I don't realize how much free time at work is spent kind of engaging with music or podcasts or whatever and it's just 'cause I can't just put on the podcasts at listened to it around the house because like my wife is doing stuff and Felix is doing stuff that makes no sense for to hear you know history the Russian revolution. And it's just getting stacked up and it's it's funny how much time I invest daily and weekly intellect this audio platform and it's all just like I just don't have time for an IT's weird weird. It's great that we've gotten together to do this. I'm so happy that no one's going to listen to it as usual even less so all right guys Thank you very much for your very enlightened choices in I feel for you dudes if you ever want to If you ever want to drop your kids off in my backyard Go ahead and do it. I will stay six feet or more away from them. They can run around and had that restraining order already have to deal with my ankle. Bracelet will be buzzing. Hold them But you know what? I'm GonNa give you each four and then an extra one for seeing how important teachers are as essential worker so There's no losers this episode. We'll get back to the losin next time. All right. I WANNA thank Those who did listen and I want to apologize for the sound quality but I wanna tell them if you think. This sound quality listened to the first episode of the hours and Want to invite you guys Michael made a great point. Richard I think you know we're out we're GONNA be doing these every week. If not who knows maybe more for tearing our hair out so we'll be going in real time with you. If you make a suggestion on facebook we'll re we'll address it that week. This has been the Mount Rushmore of quarantine. Parenting I as always 'em Jeff I'm Richard.

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ARLO PARKS | Portrait Series

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24:03 min | 2 d ago

ARLO PARKS | Portrait Series

"Lusa. Welcome to launch left a podcast label and artists alliance where fame creatives launch emerging artists. Today's guest is Arlo parks. Hello can you hear me? I can hey. Nice to meet you resume. Yeah Nice to meet you I listened to your three. Songs put out recently. Really. I think it was called at home on. Apple Music. Yeah. Really beautiful tracks. Thank you. Yeah. So such obviously simple arrangement was just you guitar thing but Really moving deep. So thank you for making cool music. Thank you for having me. You haven't yet made a record is that right? And you're doing mostly singles unlawfully keys yeah exactly. Exactly. I've mainly been I mean I'm writing the album at the moment but yeah, I just kind of been putting out little bits here and the. And is your process pretty loaner. Let you do it alone in your room. Is that really? Yeah I mean I usually just right. Alone, I mean sometimes I'll write in the room, but it will kind of come from poetry for me and not really personal thing that I usually just do by myself. so you write it as Poland's and then put it to music or. Are you just saying that the lyrics are Oh no I d right as poetry I. So when I song usually all right for like five minutes just like a stream of consciousness thing and then I'll pick out some images that I like and then cut mold that into a poem and mold the poem into the exit kind of is like quite fluid process breath a really interesting process. I Love Stream of consciousness. That's how I write as well. I've never done that for me I need the Melanie of an instrument to kick start the stream of consciousness right? Now it's interesting. I've never done it as pros. I on its own and then Match that to yeah I mean, I think it's very good for like delving into the subconscious and kind. When you writing continuously, you have no time to overthink things. So it's always very role. And I think it provides a good wool material for a song. Absolutely and I know you said the weather Nice there you've been I assume because of covid mostly home on the last. Chunk of time yeah. Has Not, increased your creativity you feel like or did it just? was there more apathy because the. Unknowing of situation different artists respond differently, sermons king. Yeah I think the me actually I did have a kind of burst of creativity in the beginning just because like everything did seem to be spiraling and there was so much chaos the I felt like the only thing that I could be sure of was the fact that I could write and make music not something that I think I clung onto in that time of like uncertainty and I was like reading through old journals and just taking as a time to reflect And yet I feel grateful actually but I was able to be creative because my friends. Want able to do the same. Have, you written a lot of songs. Or poems that might be sounds since yeah. Yeah A lot. Yeah. I've been trying to write almost every day and I've also just been really interested in the idea of writing for the sake of it just like. Writing a song and putting it in my voice notes and letting it sit just like not sharing it with anyone The idea that like not all has to be useful, you can just make things for the sake of it. has been something I've been connecting to. Yeah, I, love that I. Think I think they're a lot of artists that do that sort of what feeds you it's part of nutrition in. The AM. Doesn't have to have aired an end to be into being doing creating. Times we. Feel that way like, Oh, I have to make a record or a half did you like I haven't done anything a month and I have to do more. I think a lot of. Artists that we haven't heard of, yet that launch left is always interested in are the ones who are like quietly making. Art. Music, whatever it is in the privacy of their own home without much attached to whether it sees the latter day are not like to meet and. Really interesting to find those artists you know. What you're really young if I may say. I believe you appear Reagan. and. At what point did it kind of go from something? You did it to being more noticed and You know encouraged and people helping you to put your things out and make a run out of that happened. Did you start? Did you play open MIC nights? Did you get discovered or did you just do it and by chance somebody her well it was it was kind of like a mixture of several of those things. So basically, I just been like making demos at home and like putting them on soundcloud analysis thing in the UK BBC Introducing Way You can upload Demos for free and then like local deejays will listen to and if they like it and they might play it kind of thing. And one of those deejays kind of liked one of my tracks and then introduce me to my now manager and so it just kind of was like. Slow kind of snowballing A man I started putting out music propylaea like after about I'd say so quite organic I was still at school at that time. Yeah. That's lucky although it's not necessarily. It. It's lucky but it's also like you have to. Have moved people in order for that to Hap united means not only just fell in your lap. I, it is a mixture. I guess though because they're all I often defined artists who are kind of still very underground who making absolutely beautiful music, but his music may never kind of reach. A wide audience because of I don't know you know I. Think there is an element of luck and like preparation for opportunities. Maybe personality I. Don't know if you have a personality that year Feel ready to present publicly must because you have right but I think for some artists like talking about before that to start happy to do it in their room and. That you know an an outward outcome was much. Ardor. To be. socially. Some I'm an artist people are looking at me listen or you know I think for some artists they're super shy in there they need to create it's not necessarily. They want to promote. I got we mean yeah and I think that that's an interesting. I always find those super interesting because. They're satisfied just making our without some external thing attached at the same time if we never get to hear it. Than that's not that I also feel like well. It will be a had somebody. Like you did who the found you. You know enough to do that and you don't have to think like Oh what's my outside image? What am I do what? Yeah. Just. To make your songs in some of these supporting the. Doing. Yeah. Artists have that yeah. Definitely. I mean I. Think I. Felt I. Think I'm fortunate just because like I didn't. I feel like the image that I present to the world does it were just kind of like how I am like I didn't spend time kind of trying to craft. A personality as it were I, think my music kind of just lends itself to like honesty and transparency. So I'm just Kinda like. This is May. Which is Which makes for good music I think at our. Feel like we're all actually much smarter than we give ourselves credit for and when people are Fischel or manufactured, it doesn't come. Definitely I agree. I mean, maybe in the case of one or two dance songs. But. Usually, those lyrics even that have to be authentic and become from some place that everyone can relate to. FAKE YOU NOT A. That's the market lick. The courage a courageous artists for sure. Well, let's see I asked a couple of questions every time people. and. One that The main one is how to music finally. Headed Music Find Me Oh that's interesting. I really liked that question. Well I think what I was very, very young that was a lot of kind of jazz music playing in the House and I think that. Kind of infiltrated my subconscious as it were very young because it just kind of was the soundtrack to my whole existence like there was always. Kind of radio playing in the house And I think then you know my uncle gave me his vinyl collection. So I think. Like it came through my family, even know none of my family made music they would just kind of music lovers. And then I think as I got older, it just almost became my refuge like I was amazed one actively searching searching for new music searching to Earth something that moved me in a certain way But Yeah, definitely my dad's jazz kind of kick started the Johnny owed say. And what point did you start actually playing music yourself well. Yeah. I did I did some like counter lessons when I was younger and then I decided I wanted to pick up the guitar when knows maybe like thirteen or fourteen? and. then. I just started kind of making making beats on garage band and like just kind of teaching myself. Few codes not just evolved into into making fully-fledged songs and stuff while so you're self taught you didn't take guitar lessons are just I did the thing is I did lessons in both Canada and guitar but I stopped very quickly because they were like, maybe you should do these grades. We'll do this classical thing and was like I'm not really sure about that. Normally those already my thing. and. Then I just you know in Youtube in stuff, there are plenty of videos where you can learn stuff and just by playing along to songs that I liked and stuff that kind of got me. Got Me places more than lessons advocate I think. Guests I recently was made ambassador for this child Teakwood Com which is like a mental health charity and I feel like. I don't it things like that Of just made me feel like I'm really helping people if that makes sense like. Like playing shows and seeing the people in the crowd I can tell that moving people in some way but being part of something like that. Made me feel like. I was properly able to make a difference and I feel like opening up conversations about things like mental health. So important and making people feel less alone is kind of part of why I make music owed say. Yeah, that was kind of my last question was about on my second question said of the two I always ask which was about activism like what you're form of activism it sounds like that. Touched on that a little bit. Something specific that year. Like feel. More as well. You're welcome to have more than one form or none at all. Yeah. I. Mean I think it's interesting I. Think I do most of my Work as it were like away from social media and stuff like that. I mean I think recently it's been with everything that's happened in terms of like black lives the black lives matter movement being the full forefront of people's minds. It's been strange to kind of have. Not Strange like it's been an amazing thing to have a platform but I've had to kind of consider What? What I'm going to say and what kind of causes I'm going to champion and stuff. And I think. Kind of by. By, guiding my listeners and my fans to. Son Organizations and charities, black minds matter and that kind of thing and by. Trying to share resources with people and lead by example, in terms of you know like donating championing blackout street stuff. I feel like that's. That's been something that's been actually a more recent thing but I think. About. A form of activism kind of strikes me as A. Positive one and I try and kind of encourage. A safe space for discussion in within my fan base of its say. which is really important is. Yeah that idea of the safe space. With people. I don't know if you've noticed this about. Western culture, but it's very blaming. Name everybody likes is doing something better than nearer to you know sang. Seems like there's a lot of pointing fingers like that sort of way we roll. There a lot of focus on responsibility Self. Responsibility. What can you know like? What am I missing? What am I not taking care of supposed to looking at someone else's behavioral saying they could do that better. Use their common in our culture to point fingers as opposed to look in the mirror. Yeah I mean I think he'd like this time. Like people who have been spending a lot of time inside with themselves and I think there has been. Like I mean, a lot of people that I've spoken to said that they've kind of learned a lot about themselves and how they process. Things and how they deal with have feeling like they're of control and how they. You know they've been able to observe them that moods in needs a little bit better in this time, which I think has been an interesting positive Yeah. Yeah for sure I do think there is. That confluence of events between you know everybody being inside and you know because of covid nineteen within and then the amazing. Awakening and just like can't avoid looking at you know racial injustice that like together with being inside really made people look at it in a way sheriff, they were busy doing their lives. On certainly for those of us who identify as white narrow way to. Not Taken. And Begin to like look at responsibility we've had just. Old singing before So it's really put it. Front and center, and it's not going anywhere I. Hope like I don't want anyone to be suddenly become apathetic to something as important as people's lives. Motivating And it feels like there's a big turning point that happened and there's no going back. It is my wish and hope that there is no and I don't think we should go back him. But it's definitely. Shave feels like something has changed forever in the psyche of our culture and. He had the car where everyone has to take responsibility do the work not? Yeah. These people, right. where he pulled like. Suddenly get too busy. Looking in the mirror not out the wind and fully difficult in our culture is we like I said it supported to place blame and look. At. Out The. Window not in. America. This time has kind of forced that. Self Reflection I. Think. I also feel like whoever whatever artists creating joy out there. Like we need a good summer dance so Everybody can. Jump around room and joy west. Definitely, I think it's going to be the all that comes out of this period is going to be very Interesting I. Definitely think there's going to be an introspective. Kind of tint to it I. would say because it's strange like I don't think I've ever experienced a time when there is this kind of sense of like something. So universal like everyone in the world is in the houses you know what? I mean I didn't ever happened. Really, that's that's what was kind of remarkable. The entire world shutdown wasn't just one country That that. That solidarity. That's one thing that we all share, right? To be happy, not lose our loved lawns We share, but I think sometimes we forget about that. Yeah, I. Agree I think I've definitely like I've been trying to kind of practice gratitude like gratitude for my health and for the fact that I can. Work from home and for. I've just learned to appreciate little things I. Remember when we were only allowed out once a day and I would just kind of go for walks and I would like look at the flowers and I'd probably like look at the sky and look at things. And and just. Enjoy everything a little bit more which sounds strange. But yeah, no, absolutely I think you know. When things are restricted, we appreciate them that much more Definitely. Gang up taking nature for granted has been an ongoing problem. Definitely agree. This is also kind of made us appreciate outside maybe. Definitely right. So. Much well, I am just so look forward to hearing your record or EP whatever is going you're making a record I think yeah. Yeah. I'm writing I mean it's still in it's kind of Bula stages but I'll have music out coming out pretty soon. That's great. Well, I can't wait to hear. Really Love Your Voice. And what you're talking about the you world needs more artists, HOUSTON. Thank you for sharing your. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Trying To his is. To. The In was bill. To. His. So so hard. was. Audience. Snow. Well how much. Longer. Paul. Johnson. His My. Swatch twin peaks on his. His fame. Stalled to. This his mom. would. Of. ood. was. Laugh. Much. John. Shelley started seeing stars. So Stockholm, the new J.. Paul said closer stick in to me and I can't quite see my wolves star dreaming of a House with red carnations by the windows. Let he didn't feel so small. So overwhelmed by all his floors. Much matter. Laura. Well not so much around. Go. Out Thermo, man just no while hot. So why so much forever. So much. has so much forever. So much. Well has so mu-. Out The. March. Had so much. Launch left aims to create an intentional space that highlights and empowers all artists for whom radical creativity is not a choice but a necessity. Launch left begins with music, but its ultimate aim is to launch of artists in all creative fields.

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Susan Orlean: The Library Book

Bookworm

29:27 min | 2 years ago

Susan Orlean: The Library Book

"KCRW sponsors include FOX pictures, presenting can you ever forgive me Melissa McCarthy stars as real life celebrity biographer turned literary forger Lee, Israel, Richard E grant co-stars as her accomplice, Jack now playing in select theaters funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lenin foundation. From KCRW and KCRW dot com. I'm Michael silver Glatt. This is bookworm. My guest is Susan orlean. The book is called the library book. It's a great title. I don't know. How many of you had the same feeling I had for library books. There were so many ceremonies and rituals surrounding going to the library bringing books back on time getting the next brook in whatever the series was or those times when you could ask the library to get a book. It didn't have from another law burning. Here was this place. You could get anything and Susan writes in her first chapter that Lynn, she. She was bringing her son to the library for the first time. She remembered going to the library with her mother for the first time remember that for me. I had a moment when I was my son was assigned a school project when he was in first grade to talk to a civil servant and to my surprise. He wanted to talk to a librarian I took him to the branch library here in Los Angeles. We had just moved here when I walked into the room with him. There was something about the quality of the air in the room. The sounds of a library the feeling of a library the light coming into the library that immediately reminded me of all of those trips that I always took with my mom, my mom used to take me to the library to the branch library near our house in Cleveland several times a week because I loved it so much and there was this feeling of excitement and anticipation, and then we'd walk in together. And it was a place that was unlike any other place, it wasn't like going into a store. It was bounty. I could have anything. I mean, there were probably was some limit. How many books you could take out? But that wasn't the sensation. That feeling was everything in the world. You could dream of is here, and you can have it all. It was something that I hadn't thought about in many, many many years and going with my son brought that memory back so powerfully, and I began to think boy this meant so much to me. What is it about libraries that is so special, and it stuck in my mind? And I kept thinking God I liked to write a book about libraries what what will that book be? But it it was percolating in my head ever since that visit and you hood moved to Los Angeles where we were the unhappy that of the largest library fire ever in the United States. How many volumes? That is amazing tally four hundred thousand books were destroyed completely destroyed. Not to mention those that were damaged seven hundred thousand or damage say four hundred thousand books are destroyed you have to somehow get seven hundred thousand books out of the burned building pack them up fine cold storage for seven hundred thousand bucks. And that's because mold will bloom in a book within forty eight hours. If it gets wet and the concern was these would all get moldy. And there's no recovery from mold and remind me how hot did it alternately get it reached over two thousand degrees Fahrenheit in in the stacks, which are really like chimneys the way the book. Were were stored. These less frequently circulated books there in these narrow compartments that really served like chimneys. So the fire. Got started. And then just went to town. In fact, the fire burned for over seven hours, so seven hours raging in these these chimney stacks, basically, and they had endless amounts of fuel to just keep getting hotter and hotter and hotter. His in library book. What a great title zooms, an orlean manages to take us through that fire. The opening chapter unli- Burberry's is like a pastorale. The extraordinary thing. Here's an department store where you can take anything home for free then a chapter in which we're as if we're naughty children were warned that for years. They've been told that the downtown Lou Ibrar -i is a fire hazard is a fire hazard is a fire hazard. What are you going to do? No one knew what to do. Because the building was so beautiful was considered to be so beautiful that they would always be a huge debate between replacing the building and repairing the building. And they would eventually. Repair. Which was this was a debate that went on for more than twenty years in the city because the building is absolutely beautiful was built in the nineteen twenties. It was very quickly inadequate in size. I mean, Los Angeles grew so exponentially that what had been a very comfortably sized library in one thousand nine hundred twenty was very quickly too small for a city that exploded in the forties and fifties. A great chapter, you know, really better than anything in under the volcano. And I mean, it describing book burning and the history of book burnings, the young men thought to have been the prime suspect comes from not forty miles away. And he comes from one of those towns that are right in the middle of Los Angeles. What is it called? It was called Santa Fe spring, then a face sprint. And it's one of these towns that was. It looks a little bit like it had been assembled off site and then flown in and deposited in the middle of desert. Susan only in the author of the library book. It's published by some and Shuster. What a pitch of the boredom of the small town and the need to escape it and the weirdness of being the odd man out in your family. He seems to have been quite a case lawyer proves PECH lawyer obsessive lawyer, but many of us have that problem when we're young I did, and is parents just assume that most of the stories see told were false which was nothing compared to his sisters and brothers. They knew. Do they didn't assume they knew his stories were false. And it seems as if he just liked the idea of having been in the fire and having had a handsome firemen. He used the phrase again and again. Yeah, we'd recently kind of come out sort of come out has to the extent that you can come out in a small small small town and the end the and at that time, which was you know, late seventies early eighties. It wasn't an easy thing to to come out and to come out of a fire in the arms of a handsome fireman. This for a young man who just applied and failed to become a member of the Santa Monica flat fire department. So he had a certain thing for fun men, and well, you know, before long he gets. Cast in the room of chief suspect, he added an incredible desire for attention. And I think most of his fibs and fabrications were designed to make it seem like his life was much more exciting than it was most of us. I think would understand even if we wanted attention that you don't want attention for committing of massive destructive felony like an arson fire. And yet he confessed not only to his friends, but to the fire department as well that he had done it. And and then only when the seriousness of what he was saying. I think really dawned on him when he got arrested. Yes. Into into jail. He had no idea that you could be arrested for just the line. Right. Exactly. I think that it was it shocked him, and you know, you would think somebody with a bit more sensible would say, you know, you don't it's like you don't joke around about bombs when you're at the airport when there's been a huge fire in the city, you live in you don't boasts to people that you started it when I was a boy, my mom's favorite book was a tree grows in Brooklyn. And in that book, the heroine Francey wants to read all the books in her branch library, and she read some in alphabetical order. Well, I tried that too. 'cause we had a very small branch Lumper was just a small storefront a person could conceivably read the books in alphabetical order. So this book the library book by Susan orlean is full so many things that are so close to my heart that I read it, really. Early overnight. It's a wonderful book on top of it. You know, the way they talk about a mystery wrapped in 'nigma. It's a mystery story to now I'm not going to tell you whether or not the mystery get solved, but everything that can be done Susan Orleans done. She finds the young men, Harry is his name. He she funds sisters. She talks to them. You know, this if she were to solve this mystery of the probably the biggest catastrophe LA has ever known. She would be world famous. I ended up learning a lot about arson which is in itself a fascinating topic. And it is an incredibly difficult thing to investigate arson. It's the least successfully prosecuted felony. It destroys it's evidence. It's in ways. I mean, not that I'm recommending it. But it is a perfect crime. It's one of those things where you the weapon itself can be destroyed in the conflagration. So there is often no evidence at all. And in the case of a fire that burned for seven hours at temperatures over two thousand degrees. You can imagine how difficult it was to investigate Zulu Brian's, vacated and stood outside many of them in tears. The firemen could only spend ten minutes in rotation before they had. To leave in the terrible heat. And what an extraordinary scene, it is to imagine. Because downtown Los Angeles comes and goes and comes and goes geographically, it's now, you know, in one of its high periods right people are living there again. But then I would say in the mid eighties. It was really in a low point. And they businesses a lot of businesses had left host there. Lot of vacancy down there. And there was even a question of whether there was any point in having a library downtown. There weren't a lot of people living downtown there really was a feeling that LA had hollowed out in the middle. And there wasn't much life in the center of. The city. I'm Michael silver blunt. You're listening to bookworm from the studios of KCRW. I'm talking with Susan orlean about her fabulous. Book the library. Book will continue after this short break. This week on here. Be monsters a physicist who's building a prototype. Fusion reactor in his bedroom. Physics is really a search for these fundamental truths in the world. And you know, you're right. When what you found is beautiful. Subscribe to KCRW's Huby monsters on your favorite podcast app. I'm Michael silver plan this bookworm. And I'm talking with Susan orlean about her book the library book, which examines the central Los Angeles public library fire disaster catastrophe and explores one appreciating the cultural concept of NY breweries, the kind of people who become burns Arlo Ibrar ears themselves after all there are things worse than fires culture itself are breweries still libraries net. Are they still places? No the books can be easily gotten on your computer. And it's been a debate over the last say ten or twenty years ever since the existence of the internet, and ultimately the development. Of electronic books and so forth. Which is is there a meaning to a library? Is there a purpose? Do we need them? Or can we simply get what we need online. And I would say the answer is a resounding. Yes. We need them. And you want them and want them and feel emotionally connected to them. And the thing that interests me see, I have many friends who chose to go to library school. And yes library school is no longer the place at once was for the bookish, you know, those people who could tell you the books other than that, a women and Jo's boys and little men that Lisa male co wrote, they can tell you what her father wrote, they, you know, the book experts, no information experts, and how information is communicated and how we store it. And how we. Retrieve it, and what's interesting, and I think part of the way that librarian ship has been reinvented is it's the idea of information, coupled with a sense of social service, the idea that there is a huge amount of information in the world and in any library. There is a vast amount of information. How do you get it? And how do you help people access the knowledge that a library has? So I think there's been I'm happy to say, it seems like there's a giant revival in interest in being a librarian. It's changed a lot. It's attracting younger people. It's attracting a mixture of men and women whereas for a very long time. It was had become a female profession for whatever reason the female profession wove, we city librarian so-called was fairly consistently an eccentric man like Charles alumnus adventurer. Yes, there seemed to be a lot of men running libraries, whereas most of the staff was female and LA had an occasion that I wrote about at length because it was so fascinating of LA had women running the library early on which was unusual. And they had a lot of one drew Frong Suffragettes and feminists people who've conviction strong conviction, and they were at the time. And it was unusual to have a city department run by a woman in nineteen o five. The woman running the library. Was this wonderful character named Mary Jones who was a very forward thinking intelligent woman, and then the board of library. Commissioners called her in one day for a meeting and said, you know, we all agree that it would be best to have a man run the library. So we'd like you to resign. Her answer was no and thus began the great library war in our way. Piece of LA history that I was delighted to learn about where women rallied thousands of women marched in the streets in support of her. Because no reason was given except we think it everyone would agree. We should have a man running the library. Well, not everyone. Agreed. And this ended up being a stalemate. Susan B Anthony came to town to support Mary Jones women were marching in the street and holding rallies. Eventually the city attorney got involved, and at this was well before there was any protection in the workplace for gender discrimination. And he simply said, well, the city can hire and fire whoever they want whenever they want. They don't need a reason. So this is perfectly legitimate and Mary Jones finally after holding out for a good long time. Accepted the decision in the city attorney and left and the library was taken over by a singular character. Charles llamas. Still appear one of them. Suzanne Lummus supported living in Los Angeles. Doing readings all the time and selling from time to time about her family on the may an amazing story. He was a remarkable figure of very really an iconic California figure who did everything from. Well, he walked across the country when he was first hired to work at the L A times ran the library for five years made a lot of changes in the library. He was a poet. He was a a translator of a lot of important Spanish language texts. He must interested in Mayan culture. I would say he had a great interest in indigenous people, but he was not very good on female issues. He was. He's he's ugly. Yeah. Comes to now. I want to put the book assigned for a second to point out that libraries have not stopped being centers of controversy right now in Los Angeles are allowed series the head of allowed. We Steinman has been asked to step down. And now at the allowed series people are protesting the requests that she leave because for twenty years twenty five maybe she did such offense past fantastic job and the library true to the form that you present in your book is refusing to say why she was fired. They just told her she's fired. And they say we have a change of direction libraries are. They're they're fascinating institutions because they are open to everything and everyone, so they always they they are often full of controversy. Whether it's fighting over a banned book or providing services to undocumented immigrants or having their own internal struggles. Whatever they may be we feel an ownership in libraries that makes each of these things feel very fundamental to us. It's not happening in some business that we don't have a connection to, but it's our library in our library is and they're our library is a part of our heart. And I remember I have so many strong feelings 'cause this child what are you given to have? Strong feelings about will among my strongest was the fact that the on spokes were thought of as series books and libraries didn't carry series books. And my mother bless her soul would take me to the downtown Manhattan forty second street library, whether they had in the children's room the original with Corp plates. I dish in reference of all of the us books. Oh, I in heaven from childhood on the library is where you go for on of your deepest Roth's applications strangenesses to have a home. And this is why I think this was so evocative for me the idea. Of our investment our emotional connection to libraries the fact that they are the repository of our stories of who we are as a culture who we are as individuals, and the fact that we make it available for everybody, and anyone to share makes it really unlike any place else that exists have yet to meet anybody who doesn't swoon a little when they think about going to the library, especially when they were a kid ROY breweries have become safe places for homeless people. And there's a lot of argument and thought about that. Yeah. What do we do? And well, I want to really think Susan orlean. I've read all of her books because I spoke to her about her biography of Fronton ten. And now the library book since I've read all the Mike until you this is her best book, I loved it. I loved reading it. It's wonderfully written and we've done so much arresting work to make each chapter be a source of its own excitement. I mean each chapter is burning. I love the pun this. Well, it was it was a joy to write. And I tried to touch on what the library day to day life of the library today. It's history and this catastrophe that was really profound in the city. Susan orlean. Thank you for joining us and being among this is among the first shows about the book. So I'm thrilled to be able to present it to the audience, which I'm sure will love it audiences for show called bookworm. Their mind when he'd been reading the library book by my guest, Susan orlean. Thank you, Mike. Well, it's my joy to be here. And I appreciate it so much, and I really means a lot to me Louis library book is published by Simon and Schuster. You can visit Casey w dot com slash bookworm for podcast of today's show. You can hear it all over the place. It's available apple in Spotify. Wherever you get your punt cast, you can even listen on demand in your local library with KCRW smartphone, apps special. Thanks to my co producer in assistant. Sean Sullivan and Howard is associate producer the technical director is Mario Diaz. I'm Michael silver button. My guest has been the wonderful, Susan orlean. Join me again next time on bookworm. I am. Funds for bookworm are provided in part by Lannan foundation. This program is produced in the studios of KCRW. Santa Monica, you can access archives of all bookworm programs and podcasts. The most recent ones at KCRW dot com slash bookworm. Bookworm themes were composed and performed by Ron and Russell male of sparks. I'm Michael silver blunt. Join me again next time on bookworm when I lean miles is our guest. This podcast was made by public radio station. KCRW our status has a nonprofit enables us to make bold and unusual programs. But we need your support to keep it that way donate or become a member at KCRW dot com slash join. And thanks.

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Is It Rolling, Bob? Talking Dylan: James Shapiro

Rock N Roll Archaeology

46:36 min | 5 months ago

Is It Rolling, Bob? Talking Dylan: James Shapiro

"Is it rolling Bob? Talking Dylan easier host Lucas Hair. He's your host Kerry Shale. But he's our Special Guest Shakespeare Authority James Shapiro. Well it ain't no use to sit and wonder why babe if you don't know by now and it ain't no use to sit in wonder why babe it'll never do somehow when you rooster crows at the break of dawn. Look out your window and I'll be gone. You're the reason I'm traveling on. Don't think twice. It's alright thanks for that Jim. So why did you choose that for your opening? Really two reasons one for me. It's the Dylan Song. That's most personal and probably as well. It's the one that speaks to how I understand. Creativity at least among the greatest artists. I think Dylan must have written a song. When he was nineteen sixty two it must have been about twenty one twenty two years old and just that age. I was young and I was in love with somebody who I wanted to marry. Women they madeline who who walked out of my life When I was twenty one and I was devastated and I didn't have much outlet for that other than punching walls. I suppose and I love the song and my dad had a great stereo system. And I would take my freewheeling album and drop the needle again and again and again and on this on this song which must run about three minutes or so and I would just listen to it for hours and in the years since I've S- we stayed friends with Madeline forty forty three years later we still care for each other. A married to somebody else have grown child. But this song brings me back to that moment. And I just feel Dylan. Songs are really complicated and emotionally difficult to enter into this. One is really easy for me to have a sense or at least what I imagine a sense of what he felt about when he was writing it and in the I think in the liner notes asleep notes he he. He spoke to that a little bit when when he says people turn this into a love song. It's not a love song. It's something that you say to make yourself feel better is if you're talking to yourself and that's exactly how. I I relate to the song and you know forty years past. I still listen to the song at least half dozen times a week and that too is important for me because its meaning has changed over time which I can't say about a lot of songs or plays or or works of art but it changes his. I change tell us more about the changes. Well I'm old. I'm no longer a twenty world in love I've had very fortunate life and A great family and a great great wife and kid and something like that that refrain. Don't think twice. It's alright can be read in so many ways when I recited for you is ideal in a kind of flat way but it could be better. It could be recriminating. Sure when I was hearing Ed when I was twenty one I heard it in in a in a bitter and recriminating in desperate way and now forty years later when I think back to having heard that song than it really is. Don't think twice. It's all right and In a more John Lennon esque. If you will all right to it it's fine. We've both lived our lives and we both did the right thing. Then but it takes forty years to reach that point when I think of Shakespeare when I teach when I work with actors on Shakespeare's there's certain lines in certain plays that have similar equality when Macbeth and Lady Macbeth Dr Planning the murder. Attain King Duncan and bet says to his wife. If we should fail and later me bet responds with two words. We fail but those words can mean we fail for. We fail in much the same way. The simplicity and range of Dylan is in these lies and in this song to me really extraordinary make. Do you think it's anything to do? With the fact that both of those media designed to be set out loud rather than poured over on the page absolutely. I mean there are two kinds of Shakespearean in the world. Those who believed that Shakespeare wrote for the age and those who think he wrote for the stage. And we're talking to somebody. You hated Shakespeare in school. I never studied him at university. I never studied him. Formerly my relationship to his plays consistent tired of having held down some crummy job selling Mexican handicrafts sources St Messenger New York as a teenager quitting that summer job August first flying. Thanks to Freddie Laker from New York London For Ninety nine bucks each way sleeping in church basements or youth hostels and thing a play a day every day for a month and I did that year after year if the only Shakespeare and after five or six years I've probably seen closed two hundred plays but it was all live. It was all taken in through the eye and the ear at a point in my life where I was really open to to art in a way that you know more judgmental. Old Guy doesn't doesn't have access to any more. So when I listened to Dylan writes I listened to what Shakespeare it's only as As performance it's not as it's not like I own in addition Dylan's greatest lyrics. Somebody gave it to me. I'd probably give it away. You said you only saw Shakespeare plays. But How did you stumble upon Shakespeare if you weren't really into him? What was the first Shakespeare play? You saw my brother and I were bumming around your upon interrail and your L. passes Country Day we ended up in London. They're not a lot of things you can do back then late seventies for less than a pound a day and you could enter theater fifty pants and see a play and it for me was like a drug and it was cheaper than other drugs available at the time and Probably as habit forming I suppose as any drug was at the ham with rotc at the old which or exactly. What's the wage hitchhike up to the Edinburgh Festival? I stay in some Nasty Ben Breakfast and stratford-upon-avon and I I was just hooked and for some reason. My brain was wired in a way that took these plays in and all of those plays that I saw then hundreds of them are tattooed inside my skull and I have more recall of them than what I had for breakfast this morning. And so going back to think twice you were talking about about more about the writing. Yeah and it's something that I didn't know enough about until I was invited onto your program. But what are the things that interest me about? Shakespeare is the fact that you know. He wrote thirty six so plays that we know of and almost none of them may be. The tempest may be midsummer. Night's dream are his original story but for the most part Shakespeare was not interested in creating a new story. He looked around at the stories others had told whether they were Italian. Novellas or English plays or history's any thought I understand what's slightly off for not really fulfilled in this version older version and he did what architects call a gut renovation. He kept the frame and he just cleared out the inside and made it is. Oh so when Dylan writes. Don't think twice. He knows Paul Clayton Song. Who's going to buy you ribbons? When I'm gone? He worked with Klay knew who sadly killed himself in in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven. Eight toward together collaborated a little bit and I'm sure that there is kind of cross pollination if you will between Clayton Song. And and don't think twice and dillon with a little techy from what. I've learned about that you know he said I steal the word a or the word so whether we're done you know Ed is a good question. Although he was a little defensive even steal those words but he is reaching into a tradition a tradition that goes further back than Clayton to. What I learned was an African American Song that circulated in Virginia. Who's GonNa Bring you chickens? So what we're talking about. Our traditions and Shakespeare comes out of traditions. Really in very similar ways. To how Dylan does and plagiarism is. A useless category the only useful category. Can you take something old and make it speak to the moment? In a way that makes people feel connected to that song ways. Nobody has ever felt connected to it in dealing did that for me. I think I'm right in saying and correct me. If I'm not the Sean Wilentz I think wrote a book called Bob Dylan and America. And he I believe explored this notion and said you know what it's Alchemy. What he's doing is he's taking base matters and is creating something new out of it that shines and I thought that was really damage. It is in trouble. Lens is A friend and a very smart guy and I think he wrote brilliantly about about Dylan. Christopher ricks did as well They're just a people recognize. That is work rises to the level of seriousness. And it is how chemical it is a transformation but for me. It's really the lack of thoughtfulness beyond the magic of the transformation and the thoughtfulness I suppose has to do with. I see what's not there. That's a hard thing to to grasp and Shakespeare was really good at it. Didn't create the story of Hamlet. He didn't create the story King. Lear those were all plays bouncing around in the stage. You probably acted in a spear holder when he was young. He's onstage they could. God I can write this great Soliloquy at this point or I could tweak it in this way. And maybe it's not occurring Bob Dylan in a cerebral way. But it's occurring to him in a way that lets them know. Yeah I. I know the folk he sang exists but that song is dead on arrival. Something has to be done to reanimated and I suppose it's as much Raising the data's alchemy. And where do you think Dylan? Shakespeare intersect particularly? I think oddly even though four hundred years or so separates their birth. They both products of a similar education system. You know it's it's remarkable if you listened to to Dylan's account of education in his Nobel lecture in two thousand Seventeen. He talks a lot of doubt grammar. School you know. He learned things in Grammar School. The devices techniques secret mysteries whatever. He's talking about. He talks about gullivers travel. Dickins Don Quixote all these stories and of course we know he had a great teacher in school. Who taught him the poetry John Donovan? The poetry plays of Shakespeare so shakespeare learn what he learned in Grammar School. I mean this is a Western tradition that span than in now and both of them sat there probably frustrated probably demise racing as they were exposed to this stuff and taking it all in and a decade later or or ten years later figuring out how to turn this into into gold if you will and I mean that both literally and figuratively because you have to make money as an artist or like pulled claim you can end up desperate and suicidal and both of them figured out how to do that. And if you think you know as a thought experiment Dylan or Shakespeare Been Born twenty years earlier or twenty years later whatever genius they had could not have been fully rely so yes. They were both remarkable artists but they had great luck in being born at what they recognize. Both of them were pivotal moments in in their culture in the arts in the possibilities that were now available to young artists yet. It's funny talking about the cramps. Go because today I started. Rereading a book called the Dylan Logistics which is a great book about people who are bit crazy about Dylan and in the first chapter the The right it goes back to hibbing. And he goes this the restaurant. Simi's which is a Bob Dylan theme restaurants. And they've got a picture of Bob Dylan in his his grade. Three grammar school class and everybody is looking at the camera. You know all thirty kids looking at the camera except for Dylan. Who at the moment? They snapped the picture. Turns away perfect. That's the kid you know. Yeah yeah the child to the man. Can you imagine trying to corral little Bob Zimmerman you know or little will shakespeare? I'm sure Shakespeare took a beating or two and he turned away his grandma's not exactly. I mean we know absolutely nothing really about Shakespeare's youth or do we. I mean we know what was mandated as weeding in school. So the same way Dylan can give us his list of grammar school readings. We know that Shakespeare read plowed Terence's Great Roman Comedians Copywriters of comedy. And we know is. He's sitting there ignoring his schoolmaster. He's figuring out okay. I see chess moves here. I can do this this this and this I can make this work and I'm sure the same kind of processes is going on. In in in Dylan's fertile. Mind as as a young man and both both really able to take advantage of technological change like when. Shakespeare's born is no purview. In theater in England just doesn't exist and by the time he's in his late twenties and living in London boom. He's there at the beginning in the same way that yeah there are folk singers forever but once you go electric once you start having Woodstock's large scale festivals you're reaching a much larger audience and the possibilities what you could create also grow so now we too. I think of them as quite similar. I was thinking about what you're saying about. How they both lived in different realities or or interested in the nature of Reality and when I was thinking about us talking to you I was thinking about the The Robert Reich Andrew Scott hamlet which. I'm assuming you've seen and which is a soundtrack by Dylan and it seems to me that that's something that they threw dylan into to sort of splinter the reality even even more and an enemy musical way. I mean what did you make of that What made me think of was and brought me back to was we. We think Shakespeare's a word guy. And that's true if you studying for a levels. He's a word guy but if you go to the theater in fifteen ninety nine or in sixteen eleven and going to see Shakespeare you knew that. He was collaborating with the greatest musicians of his day. So when a play like as you like it. He walks around the corner. Finds a guy named Thomas Morley's great songwriter? And they both use the song a lover and his last which is kind of dumped into the play and which Morley publishes separately a year or two later. They kind of work out an agreement a agreement we would say today with it. Could both use it or a decade later When Shakespeare's writing his late plays in doing that. Half the year in the winter in the Indoor Blackfriars Theatre he connects with Robert. John said I guess the namesake the Great Blues Singer some centuries later who I love but Robert Johnson is great glutinous. That was days a great musician and song after Song. You know they may not be a as appealing as a Dylan Song but where the bee sucks In the campus at the time was terrific song so Shakespeare understood that music adds dimensions to theater and to his drama and away a lot of his works. Kinda pro musical and Incense musical drama that we now think of their shakespeare musical I got west side story or Something like that but he also understood that music is magic and that when he was trying to achieve magical effects in his plays music was the way one of the great ways of doing that. I always think of that scene in twelfth night when Australia's summons fest and says you know. Sing me a song and he does any utterly changes every single person in the room and the scene after that song is completely different from beforehand. This is kind of this. Tragic sort of power. That's hanging over the stage. It's remarkable and it's utterly down to the transformative power of so and that's the right word. It's really the transformative power and that. I think you put it better than I did. Shakespeare recognizes in in certain moments that you need music so that they play like the winter's tale when the statue of her mind miraculously comes to life somebody dead reborn. This still this music that the stage direction orders to be played at that moment. Because you can't get there without the uplift without the transformation that the music is everyone. I remember I. I've checked out some Vieira interviews on Youtube and at one point you we you talking about Shakespeare and saying that he'd be terrible talk show guest that he'd steal other people's books from the Green Room and wouldn't really you know open up which sounds very much like well. That's literally what Bob did stole everybody's records from You know then when he when he went to sleep over. What are the similarities? You think they habits they might do. Both immediately denied that they were stealing any. Let's just killing time in the green. I can't help it. They're like professional creative thieves and it's second nature for them to let stuff flow in but they had a mechanism to keep the bad stuff out and let the good stuff in. And you know we'll talk about genius. we tend to focus on great lyrics grade. Sounds but there are other things involved as well one. Is You gotTa make enough money to keep doing this? You have to achieve financial independence to create the art you want to achieve and both were geniuses at that and you can't repeat yourself. There are a lot of artists who just do the same thing again and again and again and you know I'm when measure for measure debuted in in sixteen o three and people in the audience at the globe wanted to hear the same old. Romantic comedy was getting this dog stop. Somebody shouted from the audience. Judas problem play exact installing electric. That's not an ending it once you start looking in Dylan and Shakespeare for similarities. It's it kind of makes you head swim. I mean obviously prepared for this. I did a bit more than than usual in Macbeth. For example I found. Meet me in the morning. There's also a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Literally an idiot wind those Country Pie which is basically the same joke is country matters in Hamlet Even the song as you'd think as Shakespearean as to be alone with you the couplet I wish the night were here bringing me all of your charms and I thought they sound Shakespearean also. I'll I'll dig a little deeper and yeah it's not quite literal but I wish the night here is is very similar to I. Would the night would come from hamlet and bringing me all of which is very similar to your charms and everything provided macbeth. And that's before we even get King Lear which you're a real authority on that he'll your book Sixty no six William Shakespeare in the year is a is a great read as is fifteen thousand nine and there's an apocryphal tale. That Dylan had a copy of King Lear. Open at his house in Nice Sixty seven and that's of course when we get this wheel's on fire too much of nothing. Nothing was delivered tears of rage. And I think probably spills over to John. Wesley harding as well. Have you ever examined those songs in mind? I'm running through my memory as you're speaking about these songs and it feels exactly right. Feels like that. Copy of Lear's open or the soundtrack of that play is running through his head as he's writing these songs and I have no doubt that you you you're exactly right as you're saying some flipping it around and thinking of were to production tomorrow or whenever this world allows us to do productions again. I would choose. As the fool in lear a dylan lookalike with a guitar strapped around his neck and a harmonica because those sardonic songs of the fool which are impossible to pause in understand as you read them on the page but carry such a punch in the theater are are Dylan asking and I think that would really work. Well yeah it sounds like a good idea. I'm amazed that hasn't been done yet. Because he's mercurial is cocky and he's kind of anachronistic in those scenes never say everything little with isn't he? I'm wondering if he disappears. Yeah he disappears those years. Those are the woodstock cycle is less. That's what to do where you try of t-shirt okay okay. We'll do it as soon as they opened the theatre's again. Yeah and just to go really really nerdy Jim. Because this is a personal thing of mine up of wanted to talk to you about for four years ever since I read fifty nine thousand nine and you alerted me to this literary concept of Hindu Goddess. Am I saying that right? Yes you are. The the notion of of two words being thrown together and then the producing this this kind of vertigo effect as their as they said together. And there's many many examples in hamlet. You write about fifty nine thousand nine angels and ministers of Grace Defenders. The we had one for Macbeth. Full of sound and fury signifying. Nothing and I noticed in in house carpenter that old folk song this House and home in there as well. I don't know how much I that idea goes but I just I love the idea of Itis. I think it's fascinating I mean. What's what's great about. Diabetes is when you first tier phrase like standard fury signifying nothing. It makes perfect sense but when you bear down on it a little bit or a law all of a sudden it becomes unstable free floating and it's hard to know what's modifying. What in that sentence and I I don't WanNa make it sound too literally or complicated. But it's a great effect. That Shakespeare uses in hamlet and Macbeth. Not Very often before that or after that. There's some of it in the King James Bible. I'm sure if somebody turned to dylan and worked through his lyrics. We'd find a whole bunch of these because it said free floating a collision of words that makes you feel you get them on a surface level and then you go deeper and you go a little mad as I'm sure. Many of you are serious listeners. Do trying to really understand. What does he mean here? And I suppose Dylan might respond. I don't mean anything here. These are just the words that I'm putting out. There were the lyrics. But I think something like diabetes is Dylan esque in the sense of. It's both immediate appeal and deeper instability. I'm not sure I don't think love and theft isn't a hand diet assists as I understand it but when that came out. I thought love and theft. What the hell you know and I still think it's it's a great title. Because it's a typical sort of Dylan. throwing things against the wall and and watching them blend or or not or non Yeah well it's trying to figure out. The thing is most of us. Who aren't you know Dylan Er- Shakespeare try to make things blend the? At least I do try to make things make sense and but on the other hand I think we enjoy having our imagination stimulated by things that paid Lee. Don't make sense and that's why I enjoy both dilemma Shakespeare. Because I don't really understand them properly. I think we want to think that we understand them. I think when I first her don't think twice. I needed to believe that I understood what those words mean and as you get older and as you get a little as confident of your judgment you begin to realize well that grasp I had. It's not as firm but that's good too and things in life are slippery and elusive and the reason. Why photos later was still listening to Shakespeare rather than Thomas Kit or or Ben. Johnson is because them meanings for more fixed and Shakespeare's were slippery and elusive to the point. That evasive and at my money is on Dylan. Leonard Cohen and too many others forages from now. Having that staying power for that reason and Dylan more than anyone. It was interesting in his Nobel speech. You mentioned earlier that it was basically about Shakespeare Nobel acceptance speech and I don't know if he's and his not so much well possibly as death to Shakespeare and also just talking about Shakespeare's a working artist which was which is great because it really made him Shakespeare our contemporary. Because Bob Dylan is actually named checking but has he named checked do know. Luga throwing his open as he named CHECK SHAKESPEARE. Before or since what? We've only had shakespeare. He's in the alley with his pointed shoe. We've we've had a feeling. She needs the window. Nobody I mean in in when he's given any of these usually catastrophic speeches but don't think so. I don't think so. I think probably what happened there is he was anticipating the reaction of people. Saying this isn't literature just so he could say well you Shakespeare literature and that was performance to and I. It does a lot of things in in in. If you will characteristic dylan way he's saying I don't know if you'd give a Nobel award to Shakespeare but if you give him one to me you might as well have given one to somebody like him. He is asking for me. Exactly the right questions like In his acceptance speech Where am I gonNA find? A human skull is the financing in place. You know is this literature and he's just exactly right. That Shakespeare wasn't sitting down when he finishes hamlet and saying God. I'm a genius. This is going to be taught in. Kids are going to be tested on this one hundred and neither steady snaking is. Burg up for this can memorize two thousand lines. I mean there are technical issues always and I mean if we start. This at two o'clock is his son. GonNa go down before that fencing scene at the end and I I think Illinois understood and understands that part of Shakespeare and they're part of genius better than the rest of us because for all talk of genius. It's useless unless you can make it work financially. Make it work in terms of technology and continually reinvent yourself to stay young and there's one thing we haven't really talked about and this is something that's only combat in Shakespeare Studies in the last that say fifteen twenty years. Shakespeare rejuvenated himself. A constantly collaborated with younger people and with others when he felt his powers lagging. And when I think of Dylan doing so much collaborative work with other artists. It's coming out of that same tradition. Where you don't think of yourself as above everybody else you think. I have to connect and the only way. I'm GONNA connect this by working with artists who are connecting right now with people out there and I'm going to need to do that and I'm GonNa do it perfectly compatible with the idea that they've they've got to keep moving than ever stop for one second. They never rest on their laurels today. And they don't believe in laurels at a fundamental. Yes as and you know lead separates them from the rest of US do Going back to the music and And combining music and theater juicy girl from the North Country. I loved it. I saw it at the Public Theater New York about. I don't know eight months ago and didn't have the best seats but managed to shoehorn my way into the theater and thought it was beautiful. I think it could have been. I like my theater and I like my music edgier. I think that they were trying to be inclusive in a way that that left me out and I I think the more people who are exposed to to Dylan the better. But again this public dylan. And there's the private Dylan and the private Dylan is the one we all have on our a musical devices that we play walking down the street or sitting right now in Stuck in our Apartments our homes around the world and at a time like this. I Find Great Comfort in knowing that I have on my left hand The complete works of Shakespeare. And on my right. Pretty much to complete words to dylan and if anything is going to get me through the next eighteen months it's it's the two of them. Yeah and I. I mean you're in New York because of the pandemic that's gripped the world's Broadway was shot for a month thinks go from countries. That theater is doc at the moment. I don't know what dealer schedule your looks like. I read interview with David. Crosby the other day that said if he doesn't talk the this year he will have to sell his house and I thought God that stature is is literally so close to the breadline intense performance. That if you remove that that leg at the table it all falls apart. I don't know what I imagine. You know the dillon has contemplated. A world without touring and obviously he has now but before that I mean because that's his life I mean what else does he do Except it's it's yeah. It's mind boggling. And it makes me think of moments in Shakespeare's where because of plague epidemic of that were wiped out seventh of London. Fifteen ninety two and sixteen o three and closed theaters It was devastating to that creative world and sometimes those theaters were closed for a year or fourteen months and in a way it was terrible for Shakespeare and his audiences and in a way in sad ways it was advantageous because it just eliminated the competition. Those who were not Well-funded didn't have deep pockets to ride it out. When under Shakespeare's company was able to thrive and and in the ensuing years? So I think we're going to see real shakedowns in every creative line in dance in in music in theater sadly a lot of great great artists are GonNa Suffer whoo speaking of great artists. I'm you did when you emailed earlier today. You said you you choose. Don't think twice. It's all right but you also said I think that if I understood you correctly that there's never been a decent cover version. Is that your belief you know? That's I figure that in terms of Shakespeare. Nobody's ever been able to if you will cover a shakespeare play is there are probably fifty versions of hamlet out there. None of them are half as good as the original. And if you think about who try to cover this song I mean roughly tell Elvis Presley Joan by Willie Nelson Dolly Parton. Arlo Guthrie just trying to wrap your head around the Johnny cash and Eric Clapton Hawaii. I love as much as if not more in some ways Then Dylan as heretical. As that. Sounds on this program and Clapton's cover of this is awful and there are many also come actually. I was listening to what sounds like a similar playlist. I was this is. I'm just joking. But I was listening to flat and scruggs this morning observers. Big The reason I liked. It is because it's the language in it is very very woody. Guthrie Very Hillbilly there ain't no use and Blah Blah Blah. It's it's it's a lot I never knowed it. It sounded actually like they should be from West Virginia. Like that actually sounded you know they. Actually they got some of the words wrong but a musically it is very very basic down-home stuff and I enjoyed that I enjoyed it as a completely different take. It wasn't the emotional content of the original. When I was listening to the we've got a we were given A playlist what was at least. There's at least one hundred covers on it and when I was listening to it the first time I listened to it all the way through the best ones were dylan the the Whitmarsh Demo and the the one that was released originally I have to say they were the best. Yeah I'm not an massive Elvis fan but I'm not going to try and defend his earthly twice for once I think was it a soundcheck because it sounds like you're messing around. He sounds messing around for for many years. And at that point is like I do Johnny Cash's version and I love the way that understand. Your man is basically the same song I particularly enjoyed that moment on the bootleg series and traveling. Through when they they decide to sing each other's lines over the same melody and then. Johnny cash laughs and says well it's because we both stoned it from the same song at an exactly. The way that you said Dylan is tight-lipped. He will not discuss the fact that he's not that I think one way reading this taken. This is Shakespeare and Dylan great cover artists in their way and they changed a lot of what they had. When I listened to Johnny Cash I I love his gravelly voice but they only get. Don't think twice in parts. They don't get the shape of it right. It's a very simple song. But it's almost impossible to replicate both the mood shifts. And the if you will instability the slipperiness of of what its message is and covering just gives you the sense of the gap between really great artists and those who are greater than that good point. I mean because you know that Dylan is. He's he's lived it and he's living as sings it and that comes out at you you you understand in your bones that he that attempt him. The song is him and there's something about the precision of the melody as well. Because you're right it's it's kind of there's an instability in that but the melody is so adept and the guitar playing is so proficient an also have it all seems to create a similar effect. But it shouldn't like with it's it's it's tugging in two different directions and it's also as you say it's tapping into something more primal you know. The the granddaddy of of don't think twice was a slave narrative in the south And in its way I mean there are many tributaries that flow into this and I'm not trying to reduce it in any way but it's hard to create sadness and steeliness the same time and that is in the song as well but you have to tap into something that's been there for a while it ended has do have I suppose kind of earned its blues type quality and that I think is part of Dylan's understanding to and to just get all these components together in what sounds like a really simple songs sung by young guy. It's mind boggling. Are there any songs you think can stemmed up to it in his cannon any any other or just any favorites you have? I mean visions of Johanna. I listened to every day I love it. It doesn't grow on me. Just frustrates me. I suppose a act. I'd like to listen to songs for different reasons and some songs I just don't get and I think that if you kind of look at your Dylan playlist and keep track while you're listening. Enforce yourself to write down. Why am I playing this for Christ's sake each day or why my skipping over this one You do the equivalent of twenty years of psychotherapy? It is funny but you know the there's all along. The watchtower is a is a mysterious song. But for some reason it seems really accessible to me like you've just put on the Hendrix version is even more accessible but the dylan versions fabulous. And I I. I don't find frustrating. And the same way I do find visions of Jonah frustrating. But I also listen to it in that same way that you try to make sense of things which you never will. Well You keep trying. I mean there's going to be a day and you can bring me back on at the age of ninety five to say. I've finally wrapped my head around Beijing. Maybe not are there other similar Shakespearean passages that defined sort of impenetrable. But but you keep going back to. Yeah that's one of the advantages of teaching these plays. I've been teaching at Columbia University to twenty dollars for thirty five years now and I've always reread the play before I teach it simply because I'm changing worlds. Changing their changing for Leno. The play has has secretly moved in ways that I don't understand and their place it just hop lately just pop in in in ways that Shock me and the replays that kind of die out and lose their their force. Romeo and Juliet doesn't work for me as did. Let's say forty years ago in my life Plays like the winter's tale. Just rise in my estimation in certain scenes in certain moments inserting counters. Even single lines just reveal themselves And and that's the only reason to keep teaching this stuff or for that matter. Play a song twice. I think the one that you alerted me to Julius Caesar I read fifty nine thousand nine. I think in the summer of Brexit and I was reading about these These thugs really. Who are inducing. Panic on the streets of a country to take power and then it transpired that they didn't have a plan after all and I thought. Oh Yeah. That's that's interesting. And then but also that the thing about you see which everyone always says is the second half is a bit of anti climax and I think you're the first person to put into words that this is on purpose this is. This is to simulate the sensation of gaining power. And then not knowing what you do next which is kind of. Don't ask to that that deliberate. Generic confusion that He. Does you put it better. I'm sorry I couldn't steal that. Maybe my next awkward way of putting it I think Julius Caesar is really one of those plays Anthony Cleopatra to that has surprisingly changed on me and becomes unfamiliar and then familiar in in different ways simply because of the pressure were under. And I know I'm just going to go back and read through Shakespeare's plays now that I'm trapped at home and no longer preparing for this conversation and Try to see having changed. In light of Corona virus in light of how people are behaving nobly and badly And will for the next year or so and Shakespeare is is a guide for me to to register those things. It's interesting to me as we're winding down to reflect on the fact that both Shakespeare and Dylan kept their politics quite close to their chests like even though Dylan was as opposed protests singer. He always denied it and And Shakespeare really was very fluid and played. He played the politics very well. But what do you? What do you make of both of their take on politics? Oh I'M GONNA STEAL THAT. I mean I remember hearing Joan Baez saying and just feeling her politics in in every gesture and and choice of song. When I was young I I was friends with a lot of hippies and everybody had a Martin Guitar our Gibson and we would go to Gerdes folk city in the village when I was fourteen or fifteen and it was a political. Foki moment but I don't know what Shakespeare's politics are. I don't know what Dylan's politics are. And I think they both understood early on that if they hitch their wagon to a particular movement when that movement died that wagon with stop rolling and They appeal to a broader audience. Simply because we get to fight over them say that they speak to our vision of the world and that too is something that great art does if it's limited in its meaning if it's limited in its appeal it. It's diminished in certain ways. And I think that Dylan may be unique as a modern artist in any form right now for having feared that stuff out at a very early age is it. Rolling Bob. Talking Dylan is recorded. In the Calvin Blake Wilson Sweet have lip sync studios engineered by Mark Langley Smith and produced by rubbing guys. Music is by SAM. Had Report of Pantheon podcasts. The music podcast network find us on twitter at is it rolling. Polit Othello told Desdemona. I'm cold cover me with a blanket by the way what happened to that poisoned wine. She said I gave it to you. You drank it.

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Patty & Heather Arlen owners of Arlo and Joy,

Your Life Program

27:18 min | 1 year ago

Patty & Heather Arlen owners of Arlo and Joy,

"Hello and welcome everyone to your life program where we live intentionally fabulous every day. I'm your host Andrea hammer, and I may certify fitness trainer. Certified health and wellness coach and a certified fitness nutrition specialists, and you're listening to SOB radio and the radio air network project today. My two wonderful guests are my cousin Patty and her daughter, Heather Arslan, and they are a fabulous mother daughter duo business buddies and the owners of our low enjoy their online women's specialty. They share their love for each other. Of course and their passion for fun fashions. Excess re's from all over the country from east coast chic to west coast. Cool their company bridges together. Women of all ages to the universal language of. Loving fashion. Look and smart and feeling good about yourself. And now, they're thank you so much for coming to be on the show today. Thank you so much for having up. So my dear start at the beginning. And tell the listeners how you came to be this fabulous mother daughter duo for your are low enjoy accessory in fashion company. How did you get started? While Andrea that's a really good question. So I was the buyer back in the day for may company, which you you hit any mid west listeners out there so heard in Saint Louis, and I from Ohio, and so when I got out of college, I got a job doing that. So I've been retail for many many years, my daughter Heather also was heavily involved in retail of did it through high school and in college and shoot opened up the store near her university. Kendra Scott the little baby store that's now exploded with women's success res and we both had a lot of experience, and we always wanted to do something together. But we were not sure what and the long and the short of it is is that you know, it starts with the dream and talking about it. And then to to actually do it takes a lot of courage and. And to go out of your comfort level. So he's easier to work for somebody. Then to you know, put your necks out on the line. And and say, you're gonna do something actually fell through into it. And so, you know, as the great Oprah would say, you know, you have one likes and you have one life to live and why wait and see an opportunity pass you'd rather do it and fail than not do it at all and have regret later on. So other night touch about in depth. And quite a few years. I would say good report years, and then we were sitting in a little cafe and California, and I set to her, you know, I she was going to another direction. And I said, I I'm still going to pursue this dream of mine, and whether I'm open for two months, you know, two years or, you know, two hundred. Hundred years. Right. And your mansion I was just going to take a leap of faith and believe in myself and try something that I didn't know a lot about and, you know, in the middle of the lunch Heather said, you know, what? Okay. I'm in. Let's do it. And that's kind of how it got circuit. This is what I love we're over in our fifties. And this is what the show's all about your life program is exactly what you said, the courage to follow your heart. Follow your dreams. And do what you love no matter. What you just you just go and do it. You don't miss being the director of your life rather than the spectator of your life. Oh, she coin that. That's great. I know you are you got a kitten if saying. But it's true it, and you went and did this most most people think that when we're on the other half of fifty that, you know, we need a retire sit around. But that's when we really get our ourselves in gear, and our passion just seems to just explode. And I'm so happy that that. You did because I love all the stuff you. On the prices Jorrie. So let's share with the audience. How you got all your your accessories. And what you do and where do the name Arlo enjoy come from. I want you to share that story with the audience too. And then had her I want you to share what it's like to be in partners with your mom. Okay. Okay. I'll start off and then had their convinced. Those are also to really great question. So the first question is how did our name get started. And one had I decided, okay. We're going to do this. You know, two hundred percent. And we are all I if I can interrupt you there started. I think when I was in like. High school that we started coming up with the name. We knew we always wanted to do something together. And we knew we were gonna do something together. We didn't know exactly what at that point. We originally want clothing and everything like that. So we did start coming up with a name like years before we actually got started. So we are coming up with like trying to kind of copy not copy, but following the foot of big name brand. And once he realized okay, that's not really working out. Like, we're not finding anything that sticking kind of. You know, went a little closer to home. And that we are are middle name. They're all joys online, my mom, and my grandma's are all joys wrote a generational middle name. And then our low is a nicknamed from our last name are Lynn. So that's how it unit come about. Is that we started to really look in or into ourselves and not, you know, so much out in the world and copying other people. We were like, okay. Well, we wanna be more original. And have you know, a story behind our name? That's not a. What is so close to home in so close to your heart are low enjoy dot com. I mean that is such a such a fun and happy, and you know, you just feel good even just saying Arlo enjoys a fun. It's a fun name and to just type that in and good use your shop online is is. It's just you just want to go. Do it just from hearing. How happy it is. It's a great name. I love the whole heartfelt family nece behind it. And it truly is a family business. I love that. Right. Really? That's that's the first thing. That's so unique about your your company. What gives some other unique things while you're so different than other online companies. I would have to say the main. You know, what that is the part? The most is that we are mother daughter, and we are family and deposed to, you know, some of the bigger companies where you know, not gonna name names, but they're actually to mend. It started it, and they they actually do everything off like algorithms, but we do it completely differently. Where we kind of you know, we we do talk to our customer. Would you talk to our clientele? And we want to hear what they want to see on the website, and what is interesting to them. And also, it's very fast fashion. So we want to have pieces that are very fashionable. But at an affordable price, you know, you always go into like Neiman or Bloomingdale's where have you in the always have just a cute of dust? But sometimes it's not so foreseeable. So we want to bridge, you know, very fast pieces, but affordable at the same time. And we get our pieces from all over the world, actually. So we go to the big Prato. And you know, we buy from vendors that don't sell Norstrom. They don't sell to big on department stores because well, I mean, we like that because you can't go into Norstrom and just get you know, this necklace from this vendor. So we we set ourselves apart a little bit. I mean, we unique in different. No one else is gonna find through doing it like that. That's what's so beautiful and fun. No one else, you you. You're going to have a unique and original piece more likely from shopping with you than going to a big department store that has one hundred thousand them across all the department stores across the country. Right. There are you know, anthropology does carry one of our bags and with the same vendor. We do come writing vendors do the, you know, if you Nordstrom that had one of our necklaces were always less. It was the same vendor. The price point was I think we were like thirty five planet last forty percent last, but we try not to do that. But we do see the big girls the free people girl to enter apology girls, the Nordstrom girls some of the trendy sunglass companies. We see them at market, and we always kind of shuffle over there to kind of see what they're buying because we do have a few of the same vendors, and we try to buy a different color, and because we are online. We can pass it discount off to our customers. But we don't buy one hundred thousand of. The same bad. We might buy twenty of them. And then when they're out there out, and we will not get back in because we're onto the next thing. So retry to by March, we try to be very selective of what we buy. We are among very Noor sounds very proud. And it's stunning. We're onto the next thing. So you have the most right, newness fashion accessories. I think from your bio that you sent to me every age every budget, scarves, gloves to mow knows jewelry. You know, all these kinds of excess rates from twentysomethings two grandmothers. And that's one of the things I love you bridge of really big gap to to have a lot of different fun things at so many different women from all over with different backgrounds can all enjoy wearing you know from from your sight. Right. Yeah. Really? So what was it like when you then had to dig into the business aspect of it and build the website from scratch and hiring consultants and all of that finding your target market in in even going to get all your vendors mean starting out a brand new business together. Boom. That's a lot of actual background work behind the scenes. How that go? That's a very. I'm not going to cut it at all. It was very difficult in the beginning. Big learning curve bit huge learning her. I remember we went to our first trade show in Dallas. And I live in California. My mom lives hard time in Kabo, half, California. So we ended up meeting in Dallas after show, and we it was just this monstrosity of a building we had no idea where to begin with honestly like a little kid in candy shop because there's just so much to see you just wanna buy everything with the really hard part is is we we knew our demographic. But we didn't start selling anything. We didn't know what was really going to sell. What was going to hit? What was gonna hit home? What customers we're gonna like? So that was the biggest learning curve was actually learning about our customer and what she wanted. So it was really overwhelming in the beginning. But through. The year. We've learned so much. You know, there have been a lot of people that have helped along the way a lot of really nice people that have been willing to share their experiences. What do you what not to do? And I just also of the fact that, you know, the majority of people that have really helped us have actually been winning. So I love the better it women helping women and wanting to empower other women like boss, babe. I love that. So it. Yeah. It wasn't easy. But just throughout the years. You know, you just keep on truckin along people learning so and just as a sidebar. So we hiked we had we had someone building our websites, and then it worked in minute didn't. So then we had to kind of like hurt ways. And then we started with one marketing team, and then it worked and then it didn't. And then we hired another web designer another new marketing team, and I think for me being a little bit more mature, they say. You know, you decision and if it and networking that instead of just throwing the towel. You know, you say to yourself. Okay. So you know, I have to make another decision. This is not working for our business plan. I am now going to cut ties and going to a different direction. And so now, we have a really strong team that we are working with their two sisters funny enough out of California one is closer to my age one is like two years older than Heather. So that's also funny, and it's a really good business marriage because they really see our vision, they really helped tremendously we are very humble with all the help. We get our customers are extremely loyal to us. And so, you know, it's nice. A lot of the companies we work with just happened to be either family run. I mean, some of them are huge. Company, but they started, you know, just a little mom top shop, and then gradually now, they're, you know, they're big companies. So a lot of them are family run and women base. So it's really been great women helping women I love that. That's a whole other part of the show too. I'm so glad the both of you are on this three things. You said your mother daughter team family oriented, it started Smalls, a mom and pop or small business and everybody is thriving in growing and how to in business even with family people to change gears change directions. Go with what's needed? And it's the perseverance. I think the love for your passion, and your dream in instills, the perseverance like you just you're not gonna give up on yourself. You're not going to give up on your dream in your definitely not going to give up just because of a computer glitch to not get it out there and many people probably with throw in the towel. So it takes a lot of tonight. Acidy and termination what also respect for each other and patients when sometimes these type of difficulties in this difficult to get a business off the ground with all the things you have to do to to put it in place. Sometimes it's hard when one person has one opinion on percents, another Pinon this director wants to do this. And this website person wants to do that. There's a lot of things that have to come together to gel to make it flow and be a beautiful thing and you overcame all of those things to have a thriving online business that sells beautiful accessories in some fashion person in wonderful, wonderful sense of happiness. Your stuff sells happiness as well. Because when you put it on you feel sparkley feel like you look really hot in cool. You look sexy. You look fashionable ended up lifts the spirit in. So the love of what you do. Both of you not only that. You'll love reach other shines through in this company. But the love that is in the in. Why you buy what you buy like you buy 'cause you love it. 'cause you hope the people who wear are going to love it and feel fabulous in it. And literally that's what I feel. You could feel the love of what it is on the on the website to to see the happy stuff. Those bags are happy jewelry is it's fun light. I love it. Yeah. And so, you know, there's a lot of things that are very drab online and Embiid conglomerate companies tend to take over all the time. And this is another big important thing about the show is just because you're a small startup in. It's just a little thing. Doesn't mean it's not profound and important and needed in the world your gifts. No matter what they are. If you don't go do them. It's forever. Lost to all the rest of us who would have benefited from that dream from that sparkle from the product from how the product or the thing made us feel when we had it. And I love that. Even though there was some issues to start. You knew you were going to do it. No matter what in that is a big message to anyone out there listening that if you've got something in you that you wanna do Patty, you said it, so beautifully yourself about following your dreams and. And in really. What's the what's stem trying to find what you said exactly about if everyone would follow their hearts, right? Life is full risk. And sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But you have to keep learning and growing as a person following your dreams believing in yourself don't give up even if everyone says it silly. And that's sometimes the backlash when get from people as they don't believe in our dreams like we do. But you did when Luke where you are. Thank you so much for the compliment. You're such a sweetheart. So we really appreciate that. And you're a hundred percent, right. You know, when you get to be a little bit more mature in your forties in your fifties, and your sixties, and you hit a different occupation before you got married. And then let's say, you stayed home and rates kids. And then started another phase of your life. You know, I just think as women. You know, we're caregivers. We wanna volunteer at our kids schools. We wanna be there for a grandchildren. We wanna be there for our husbands. And we also wanna do something for ourselves. And I feel like a lot of time. It does get lost that if you say, you know, I'm gonna get a manicure pedicure. That's when I wanna get my hair colored that depending on you know, who your support system is sometimes too like while she's always just doing something for herself. Or the flipside is is that good for her to be doing that for herself. And so I think that you know, as women we have to say look at that more mature woman inter forty fifty sixty seventies eighties and look shoebox because she does take care of herself. And she wants to continue to look beautiful, and she's going to another chapter her life. And you know, we we don't know. The script of how're life is going to be. So I wanted to say again that, you know, your perseverance to do your whole online program, even with all of those, you know, difficult aspects of putting the website in the business together. You follow your heart? Follow your dreams, and you made it happen. And I think that is such an amazing. Tribute to perseverance and dedication, and our and our dreams to not stop no matter what. And it was it. It's just so inspiring motivating for all of us to listen to this and anyone out there who has a dream wants to make there's a reality concertedly learned from this experience and you sharing your story. You know? Absolutely, right. I totally agree. Thank you so much for that compliment. Yeah. We just we both out that you know, we all have different journeys in our life. And sometimes you go to school, and you graduate college graduate school in you stirred up doing one patient, and then, you know, you have children or, you know, things happen in your life. Or you just that, you know, you wanna go into a different direction, and that's the beauty of making choices in our country as that we can, you know, reach for the stars and take chances on ourselves and just to believe in our selves and. Went and, you know, supporting women, and deciding that if you make a bad decision it, really, okay? You just need to make another decision. The best thing you can do is to recognize. Okay. That was not a good decision. And where do we go from here? And now Jing that owning that and then just moving into another direction, and I feel like, you know, being entrepreneurs, you know, we'd always worked for other people. And you don't really have a voice when you're working for somebody else the same way as working for yourself when you are non preneurs do hip to make Packer ffices. Your time money energy. There's just a lot that goes into it on dating what your partner has to say and just really following your heart believing in yourself and believing that you were doing it for the right reasons. And so I really feel like we Heather nine make people happy, and we gotten, you know, some very loyal customers and good relationships with our vendors, and we feel like, you know, every time we make somebody happy with our pieces and makes us happy that just you know, just brings everything together. So how can our audience find you tell us your website and Email and contact information? So that like you said love the fact that you reach out to your customers you have relationships with them. You hear what they want to wear what their ideas are what their. Likes are. And then you go out and look for those things when you do your buying that you can really service the needs of them. I think that's such a personal touch in a very personal business, which is so different from a conglomerate department store. So that's why they can be assured really get something that is unique and special to them because it's unique and special to you and of all the travels and things that you do in the decisions like you said that you made to make this happen. Having to work with your vendors in your balance, your family, and your dreams, and all that kind of stuff you really find found a way to have have all your dreams come true by like you said following your heart and making good decisions. Even if one wasn't the next one is always be better. And. I just I'm just blown away by by the love of all of it. So share how non you know? You know? What? Fine. Yeah. So everyone can find us at W W dot are low. Enjoy dot com. It is a are L O A N D J O Y dot com. And then as well, they're Instagram or Facebook, it's just at or low and joy was again, L O and e jail why? And then our Email address is shop at our low and joy dot com. And anything you wanna Shire up a promo or anything for anyone who might go on there. Is there anything going on that you head? Yeah. So everyone that signs up. Get hem percent off their first order, and then we do free shipping is. Well, oh, great. Great. On sorry for interrupting for your listeners. We're going to do for their second purchase fifteen percent off. Offer signing up for our newsletter and for your purchase, and then we will make a special code for your listeners or fifteen percent of your life program at our low. Enjoy. And then a code that they'll be able to use for this team percent office. Andrea. Oh, thank you guys. Thank you so much here on this show in sharing all your love and happiness and ideas for business growth and success with our listeners so that they can be inspired to go follow their dreams. I'm so happy that you're here on the show today. Thank you so much for having us, really cute it. It's wonderful. Thank you so much. And thank you listeners for joining us today. I would love to hear your comments questions about all the information inspiration that we did share. You can reach me to Andrea at hammer health and fitness calm. The websites. Hammer, health and fitness dot com on social media Facebook Instagram Twitter with hammer than fitness dot com. Because I'm here to help you with your life program. So the two can live intentionally fabulous every day. Thanks for joining.

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Home Gadget Geeks (Audio MP3)

1:31:48 hr | 1 year ago

Lowes IRIS Shutdown and Payday, Amazon Alexa FTW HGG391

"This is the average guy network and you have found own geek show number three ninety one recorded on February twenty first twenty nineteen. Here at home gadget geeks. We cover all the favorite pick, edges and my news reviews product updates conversation. All the average game. I mean, host him. Carson broadcasting live from the studios here now snowy nice today. Mike, I'm hearing ice coming on Saturday with some twelve inches coming Saturday. Do you have any room on your in your yard just gonna sound where I'm going to put it? I don't know where I'm gonna put it. Luckily, I got a snowblower just keeps shooting over my yards piling up. Now, we got in forty some inches of snow think to this point. And Duane, you don't have any snow on ground. You guys are I didn't know you guys are in Seattle Seattle. Week ago Seattle. They get a foot of snow, and they have nothing to deal with it. It was crazy. It was like ten inches a day. It was crazy. I've never seen anything like that. 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You can download it and watch it off lying with your favorite podcast out catcher. You can do that as well. You know, our Mike the the video RSS feeds, I think I've mentioned before are ridiculously popular like they're almost doing as many downloads as the audio. Uh-huh. Is doing now. And I just I don't get it. I I didn't think video RSS would be all that we must have airplane travelers because honestly that that's when I have honest downloaded the video of any podcast because the think about on an airplane. If you don't wanna work, then your your next options. Well, if I'm gonna listen to him as well, watch it. I I can't listen to it on a plane. Like, I can't listen to a podcast on an airplane. I just can't do it. It's gotta be doing looking watching Duane in all the miles that you do what what what's your choice? I mean, what do you like what are your favorite things to do when you're on the plane watching listening? What do you do? So I will say I have to watch. I can't I well it depends. Like, some of the listen ones like the verge doesn't do a video podcast. They only do audio. So I only turn them on when I wanna sleep because alive. Patel puts me to sleep pretty well. Now, I'm just kidding. But no I finally in that mode where I just want to you know, kick back, and relax, and I don't want or I wanna play a game. Then that's I go to those type of podcasts. But typically, I want the ones with video. But and especially if I'm when I'm on with you guys 'cause I always bring props and the issue is is that when you start talking about something sometimes that people are talking about what they're seeing. And it's kind of frustrating. Oh, which you need to remind me to tell you about that soundscape thing. I saw from Microsoft. That's something different the show notes. It's cool. All right. We'll we'll cover that there at the end. 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You know, fight another day in maybe in the fall and have those conversations that you guys are just you. It was great now she's pretty good. And it was fun to have her on and fun to talk about that at least Valentine's Day for now or around the Valentine's right time. I think Shuki coming back. We got a lot of good feedback on it. So thanks, Sarah. For coming on last week. She did say to me like she goes, you do have that kind of radio voice thing going on when you're doing this like, it's not your normal. You know? She normal talk normally talks. Yeah. Right. No right on. I think I'm super boring, otherwise, and then just when I get on because you're always trying to keep the conversation going, and you know, you gotta do all these things. I think you just get in a rhythm with it. That's one thing that I found say I was gonna say I just want to interrupt to say Jim in human in in real life. You are more boring than you are here. Sweet. I haven't been of time with you. Jim. I know we need to we need to right. We need to remedy that for sure. So. But if you haven't listened to it three ninety and will have her back at least next February. But maybe fall, I don't know. We'll see if you come it. If you're listening to this. And you listen to that one send me an Email, Jim at the average guy that TV let me know how you liked it. We've got some good feedback via the Facebook group. But if you if you want to hear it, again, let me know speaking of that, we have gone discord. So you've been asking. Finally gave in Christian. I was do. We were recording cyber frontiers. Fifties three this week. And he said seriously, dude, like, it's you and my dad on Skype. Can we do something different? And I'm like what what else do you want to do? And he's like how about discord? I'm like I've been thinking about starting a home gadget. Geeks. Discord group, he's like, oh, do it. So we started this car group. We'll have that link in the show notes. So you wanna head over to the average guy dot TV slash h g g three nine one in the link for the discord group will be the very top one in the show notes. You can join us out there. And I think as I'm looking at it right now, I think Lincoln their chat. I probably could maybe do that for him deaf way a pull away you're talking. And so if you want to join us, I don't know we got eight or nine maybe that's joined us since it's not a rip group yet. But we'd love to have you doing this on the discord group if you wanna do that as well. We'll still continue to post on Facebook and undescored, but. We'll do that for now. All right. You've already heard from him. Dwayne Robinson is back to Wayne. Welcome home. Get geeks. It's good to be back bid. Good to have you. I screwed it up. Jim. Oh, what'd you screw up? Okay. Remember our last conversation. I was to ninety four three forty three fifty four three seventy four and I was holding for three ninety four. But what we're gonna talk about today is time sensitive have to talk about it before you did mess up the four. Have you back? How are things at Microsoft. Things are good at Microsoft. There's so much going on. And it's it's really kind of exciting. Like the thing. I was talking about before the soundscape thing, which I did put in the show notes toward the bottom. That's something. That's really cool. I'm getting pulled into something on this where it's using AI to be able to in spatial audio so blind or low vision people can navigate around like it. They were like earphones in. It tells them where they are in what's around them, and it's really cool thing. So if you haven't done that it's actually free Elena as an app. Download and I put links in the show note it shown outs for it. It's here. I'll put it in the in the what you call it in the chat is as well. But yeah, if you haven't checked that out, it's really really cool, and it was actually developed by Microsoft who was blind. That he built something that he thought he could use. And it's it's really cool to know super good have the link out there. Microsoft soundscape is a research project that explores use of innovative audio based technology don't evil people, particularly those are the blindness or low vision to build a richer awareness of their surroundings. That's becoming more confident and empowered to get around unlike step-by-step navigation app soundscape uses three d audio cues to enrich ambient awareness and provide a new way to relate to the environment. Allows you to build a mental map and make personal make personal route choices wellbeing for comfortable with an unfamiliar space, the super cool like this. I love it. When we use technology for this kind of stuff, right? When it really really makes sense. And it helps people who couldn't get around for whatever reasons to be able to do that. Dwayne have also been using speaking of Azure, memories, talk about Azure, all the time. New some new new offering in what's called Microsoft's video index or on Asher using cognitive services. Or you can upload a video like this one, and it will go in and OCR everything on the screen. It'll do the normal video translation or transcription. That's not what it's called. But it will transcribe. I think that's right. We're it'll transcribe the video like you would accept what's really really cool as you can feed. It a file you can kind of train it. So you can say, hey, here's some words that I use all the time. Or here's some brand words used when I say, this is the average guy network and you have found gadget geeks. No, no translation services. Google doesn't get that. Very well. Anything I've used at Microsoft up until this point hasn't gotten that very well when I train it with that sentence when I put that sentence in a training file just a text file, but I put that whole sentence. Just the way it is. It moves at transcription from about seventy percent to about ninety five percent, which is super cool. Like, there's a huge difference between seventy and ninety five when we talk about transcriptions in. So we've been we've been monkeying around with it a Gallup, I'm hoping to actually use it as a service, but it will also go in and find it starts breaking down the conversations for you. So it starts finding key moments as it's going through or you can go and click and find so Dwayne you would say something and you're talking for a while. And then I switched back in the video switches it knows those are switchable moments. And so it's it then it recognizes your face and it recognizes my face and maybe Mike's face in it would index all of those. So I can say show me all the spots were Dwayne was. Maybe show me the spots where Dwayne says soundscape because that's what he was talking about it tags anytime, you would have said when I said, Microsoft, it would have labeled that as a brand which is super cool and then on the background. Of course, you can download those this is the really the really cool part of this video index are in the back. I could take a snippet based on what you said so say, you there's a paragraph that I wanted to capture for you based on what you said I could capture that part of the video, and then automatically send it would cut. It just that spot for me, it would cut it and make it its own video and publish that anywhere. I want which for podcasters is pretty freaking amazing. Yeah. It's really cool stuff. And what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give you another one gym. It's just put it into your into the chat. And I'll also put it into the to the show. And that's why you were talking and the one that you were just talking about here is the link to it, which is the video index her. So all of this stuff is what we call the cognitive services in the stuff that we're doing. And so this is where I work at Microsoft right now, not what I started. But you, and I think had a conversation about how crazy it is. I can't do and design of Email systems. Now doing a in cars. It's like what the how did that even happen? But the neural stuff is a neural network that generates text to audio and you can train it, and it you can't tell the difference between a human and and other things, and we actually got demos of this, which we show internally. I don't know if they're publicly available, but I can talk about him. Where we've actually taken and trained the neural net with such an adult voice, and you cannot tell if this Agean Adela really Saturday. And so we have like slide decks that go did Sacha say this or did he or is this fake, and it's like a game that they play. So it's really cool stuff. And I will tell you the people working on this backup at headquarters. I was I was over meeting with one of the Lee, whether the leaves leaves a lot of this stuff her name's lily Chang. She's a corporate vice president over in in this area. And I'm I'm just all by her because she has over three hundred patents while working at Microsoft. And she's got these little black cubes and one of these offices, and they're just stacked on top of each other in this corner. And you're just like holy crap. How does someone person any batons? So they've got really really smart people. Really awesome, people working on this stuff. And you know, it's it's cool to be here. To be at Microsoft and these days if it's not your windows company anymore. No, no. And of course, this video index are could be, you know, as we think about all the things that are set in a podcast. You know, we create this long form podcast, and I really create it to consume people's time when they're at work or they're on the road or some of those, you know, some of these things where you're on a plane. You're gonna listen it from beginning to end, right? We create community with it. There are snip -able parts so to speak where we could pull things out. But the stuff I do at work is really perfect for this indexing, right? This video index or service where you can say tell me when I was interviewing Vint CERF. He was talking about this concrete that they're creating that consume CO two instead of remove it instead of giving off CO two, right? If we have co two problem in the atmosphere, and we're laying concrete crown would be a great way to capture that CO two and hold it. Right. For the next whatever hundred years, and, but I wanna know until somebody takes grinder to it makes a hole in the ozone re releases it again, but anytime I wanted to see I could go in there and see where it had been talked about CO two capture. And it would it would find that spot for me take me right to the spot in the video. And then using the transcription service I could define I just want to take this part out. And I could I could define that really, easy and in a minute Duane in a minute. I could have a three minute clip pulled out and published somewhere where normally have to download that put in a video editing tool. Find it again, cut it out pull it out re render it upload it. Right. I can do all this on Azure in never leave Asher in it. It's super fast like, it's unbelievable. So so great work on that. I mean, it's this is where all of a sudden it's gotten super interesting in the video space and in the like in this text. Speech and speech to text and in the editing and all the things that are going on behind it, particularly even I have this at work. I have this board behind me. And it's it'll oh CR it's got words on it. And it's always constantly trying to OCR that board. And so if you had a video to have a lot of words in there, it's going to go in and find those words, even if they're not spoken if they're just on the video it will find those goal so super cool. So so I assure you, I'm sure that was all you. So thanks to now. Now, I've just the guy that goes around and tells people about it. No, super cool. Let's start with iris because Mike you'd also heard from Tony this we think right via Twitter that few weeks. Yeah. And I don't have this. Dwayne it happened to you. Tell us the story. So it starts so. So if people first of all, we should say, what irises if you're not familiar with iris iris is a home automation and home security system that you could purchase and it was founded by Lowes department stores, and so they were trying through improvement to drive adoption from all the different home. Manufacturers are the different people in make the parts that make homes right to drive in their home automation system, which they called iris in. That's I r I s just to make sure we're on the same page. And so. I got this message while I think I was in China from a friend of mine who texted me and said Iris's shutting down, and I said what he's like. Yeah. It if you were call Jim we went back and forth about IRS back in the day. And I talked about how you know. I liked it. And then they went to that the V two version and everybody was pissed off. It was just like smart things. When smart things went to v to test, everybody and smart things off and iris did the exact same thing. And then what happened over time you, and I never talked about it again. And you've probably heard a lot less complaining because it actually got really darn good for a bit there. And so they decided they were going to cancel it. Now, here's the thing in the show notes. This is going to be a situation where you wanna get the show notes on this one. If especially if you're an iris owner because I've copied things in from their website for you. So you don't you don't have to go hunt this stuff, but basically. You law when you went to the portal sure enough, it has this thing that tells you they're shutting it down the date. They're shutting it down as a very important date March thirty first twenty nineteen. So that's why I'm not on the four. Because we needed me on three ninety one to let you guys know and enough time to take action because there's a few things that you can do so and so even have my little Irish prop. So that it's my little thing here. So what they're offering right now. Because when you go on the person who told me, it was shutting down, I didn't know this. When I went there to go see that it was shutting down and get the details. So if you go there, and you get through being pissed off for a minute. And you see that warning. You gotta kinda read what's on the page because what they're gonna offer is that between now and March thirty first if you go and log into the system and you follow the process, and by the way, in big words, it says, please do not try to return your iris devices to a Lowe's store guy. So if you try to do this it's gonna fail. So you gotta go to the website or go into the mobile out. And there's a link that will let you do this. And what it does is they it will go through, and it will look at what you have that is not reusable, and they will issue you a payment for those devices and just prove it here is the visa gift card for four hundred and four dollars from Lowe's, iris and gem when you and I talked about coming on the show, and we got scheduled which was only about two weeks. Ago is when I submitted for this. And so it came in the mail, it will they send it the occur. You like a like a FedEx or something like that? And it does require a signature because it's basically four hundred and four dollars a cash. So that you're getting from them. But I have to I have to say that is respectable from them because they didn't have to do that. They didn't in the problem is that there are things that you get from iris things like this this pin pad. This will not work with anything except iris. However, weirdly enough after I got it all done, they'll give you the money back on your motion sensors, and or your door sensors and things like that. But those actually work under smart things. And I didn't know that. But it will. And so that's an interesting situation. So one thing you need to know is do not on pair your devices in throw your hub or turn it off. You gotta go through in leave everything paired and run it through because even devices aren't iris because they're giving you money for some things that aren't even just iris that they're worried about compatibility or have limited compatibility. So I recommend to everybody that has this that they need to go do this process. But then I found something new gem that wasn't there. I was doing this today just to go get the links and everything and they put a new announcement up, which I thought was funny that you might like to know, which is they've decided to open source and release it to the public. They're going to take iris in there. To rename it. Arcus A, R C US, which it says the Roman name for the Greek goddess iris, and they're going to release it as open source and right now, they're going through a third party review of the code to make sure that there's no issues with doing it. And then they said in the coming weeks they're going to announce what they're going to do with it. So I I will say it. Remember, I said that I went to IRS, and I probably told a lot of people to go. I was telling people it was a good thing. I still say that it was a good system. But what I will tell you is that I have to say that it's respectable to Lowe's, they did not have to give me this gift card, and this gift card paid for more than what a smart things hub would cost me. And the fact that I have still got devices that I can still use. But they gave me the money back for him speaks a lot to the to the morals of the company. And I just think there's more of that than he's a happened in the world. Because it's it's it's a shame that they're shutting it down. I really am upset with a an I can we'll talk more about that. But I will say that I respect them for this. I know it's it's a super pro move. I mean, you almost never hear of that happening now where companies are refunding. There's there's been some examples, but the almost always shut the door, you know, east chat wing for the longest time. I wasn't paying for it. But we got zero notice on jetway it worked next day didn't and and they just kind of they shut that off. Do what do are they planning to go with another vendor? Or are they just getting out of the home automation game? What have you seen or what have you heard? So they're getting out of the home automation game completely. I think their concern was it wasn't pulling in the prophet that they expected like people weren't subscribing to the services. And I think that was the problem now, I will say. Hey, I signed up for their services. I paid the nine ninety nine a month. No that if you're paying nine ninety nine a month, you should probably be thinking about turning that off as you do your migration because they don't turn that off when you go through the process of getting funding. So just be aware. They're gonna charge the nine ninety nine for the next two months that it's up and running if you don't do that. But you know, I subscribe to all of those services. But I think that was the problem is not enough user adoption. And and I also think that there's something I found after I started doing the research that. Probably as the writing on the wall that forced them to be honest with you because you know, once you if you're an Irish user, the next thing, you're doing you're not going to bet on this Arcus thing, unless you're just a complete and total. Geek in her like, oh, wow. I wanna build my own home automation system. I think you're going to start evaluating what's in the market. And when I evaluated to get iris, the market was a very different place than the market today. And I thought when this happened I knew where I was going to go matter of fact, if you even in this. I'm just gonna read what it says here. It says many devices used with iris are compatible with other smart home platforms. For example, smart things is a comparible platform to iris and to ease. The transition smart thing support team is ready to assist you with the migration process. So a lot of what it felt like is that when they shut it down. They were going to hand it over to to Samsung. And but Samsung, we can talk about that as we get into additional things because there's some smart things stuff that I ended up doing. But I think they're. Became a very interesting thing. Once I once I made the move. So I think that's the first part right is iris is shutdown. You need to have a backup plan you need to start thinking about coming off of it, especially if you use it for like home access endure control, you really want to think about that. Because you might need to be full in the trigger or any of the automation that you're doing with your own thermostats and stuff like that. So I think that's a key thing. But as they started shutting down, Jim I went, and I said, there's there's something we need to. I got to think about it's like, a why did I choose to begin with right because I had to go back and reassess my needs. Why did I do what I did when I did it. And I went back to it. And you you guys could probably go all the way back, and I could probably look in my show notes until you when when we start talking about this just to sum it up. I went there because I wanted more of a security system. I wanted pen pads right where you could punch in a pin code because I travel so much that. I won't if my wife doesn't feel secure than I want her to be able to have an alarm on the house and be able to set it and feel safe. They were they had said they were going to put a monitoring system in place, and they did. So it was a professional monitoring option for it. But the other thing was that it supported z way and be which in the time was not very common. It was people were betting on. Is it going to be way visit going to be Zik? Be is it going to be what was the other ones that they were out there? There was one that Microsoft got end kind of bet on a bit used electrical wires to help with it. I can't remember what it was. But there there's all the point is is there was all these different fighting protocols. And I think we landed pretty much across the board that Z wave Zik was gonna win it and pretty much. That's what we saw. Right. And the thing also supported WI fi as well. So if something was on wifi, it could control it. So I chose it because of that. And that's where I had to go back. So when I went. To say, okay. Well, what am I going to replace? I had to go back in and say, okay with those were some of the reasons that I made the choice I made. But then I had to say, well, what else do I need to think about now that I went and invested all this money. And I said, okay. The first thing I need to do is look at all the devices. I have and believe it or not. That's what I was doing when I realized that they will give me money for it. I was trying to log into the console to go and figure out what devices I had. And I was like, okay. So because I was a good place to get the inventory. And what I realized when I did that is that I actually have devices that are Zik me, and I have things there's e- wave. I haven't both. And I've got to figure out what what hubs support this again, I'm going to have to go back to the evaluation at hubs. And I was like great that's going to be fun. And then and then I started going, we'll, wait a minute. What how much is it gonna cost? Me to replace all the door sensors motion sensors because I didn't know if those would work on anything else, right? There's been more information that's been provided about what works and what doesn't since. I did this. And I just assumed all motion sensors all door sensors, all keypads, they're dead anything with an Irish brand on it in my view was was dead devices. And that luckily, isn't too significant. So, but then I said, okay, wait a minute. I got a lot of devices in my house in those things cost a lot of money and thermostats aren't cheap, and neither are door handles are like the the door locks those things can be like two hundred dollars a pop, right? If you get those the ones I have are those Schley ones that are like touchscreen than goats. And and that replacing those was not an option the thermostats replacing the thermostats not an option, and and it just happened that both of those. Are Z wave and the one that the thermostat. I have is go control. So I which is not the most common one. It was like the the cheapest one that iris offered. So I kinda was in a situation where I was trying to figure all that stuff out. And then I came back, and I said, okay. Well, what do I actually need? What are my needs? Now how my needs change from the day. I bought it to today. And what how how did I address that? In the meantime, so cameras became popular. Right. Because at that time if you recall, it was like three hundred dollars a camera. Joe it was stupid exploiting. And I even came on and said do not use iris cameras because they suck. So I was so what did I do? I went to our low. But when I got into our low, I realized that the my doorbell I was always getting people's back of their head on my front porch. So I decided to put it in one of those ring doorbells. So I have the store bell the pro one. And then all the cameras around the house are low other than other than this one ring doorbell because the way the Arlo when works is just a doorbell and activates the camera. So I would get someone ring the doorbell, and I would get a picture of the back of their head. That's not real helpful. So anyway, so I been very happy with ring, by the way and Arlo system. I haven't had any issues, but the security I was doing through IRS the whole automation. I was doing through IRS. I didn't have anything for voice control. Right. I had I have like an old. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and stop for a second. I am going to say the word and the word and the word don't do that. Now, I gotta find. We give you a five. Okay. Read I'll just say lady. But all right. We'll give you. We'll let you do it too much of it too much on the session. Okay. So I already have an old echo. All right. And I have an invoke speaker. So I'm giving you a pass on the seaward there for a minute. Donna. Yes. And Alexa by seven dots. Now. Do you don't be that? So so pretty much I haven't integrated any of that stuff. Right. And if you haven't heard much about what's going on in Cortana world, there's kind of a change in strategy. So that that's not exactly an investment. I wanna make Norwood. I've probably made that investment. Even if I. Even if that wasn't announced just because of support because I'm a person that's about what's the most support. I can get and why can I bet on because I don't want another Irish situation. All right. So the integrations I don't really I really didn't have anything like where one thing was talking to another thing. Jim I it was like iris was its own thing. And. Are low was its own thing. And ring was it's on thing. None of this stuff worked together. So so I kind of looked at that. And I said, well, what about music in music? I do us. So I was trying to think well, maybe if there's any reason to do that type of stuff I'll I'll think about it. So what I went through and evaluated in this process. But Samsung smart things VERA, which if you don't know what VERA is it's this thing, which is a little Sarah hub, which is like a kind of like kind of like smart things. But more of an open source community that supports it. The it's a very open thing. But it does have some challenges like it's only Z wave then which is why didn't make the cut rain, if it has a lot of new stuff, which I don't even think ring existed, I think since then they went on shark tank, right? They were like door Bhatt or something and they got invested in. And then not only that ring got bought by Amazon recently. So the so I also looked because Alexa, starting to us. Right. So the echo plus has a smart home hub built into it. Google is kind of getting into that world. Right. So the Google home. And then apple which I put in parentheses on my show notes that we should all laugh together about Apple's ability to be a home automation system. So they're not in that game. Do you use it have you used it? Because my home kid is set up for everything I use. I mean, obviously, I don't like when you talk about cameras anything beyond really lights, and your EKO Bs there must things like that anything beyond that. Yes. But for some of the basics it actually works, really, really. Well, if all you want Jim is nineteen Ninety-six level automation that it's amazing Microsoft guy. Mike, Microsoft true. I said I didn't even give Cortana shot. No what's up with that? What's up with that? And yeah, you're right. She is pretty archaic when it comes to anything beyond lights and your your thermostat, and I'm pretty sure I don't want something that's tied to what phone I'm buying or whatever. So you wanna guess, especially when I just bought a Samsung S tent yesterday. So so he's at the screen one that just now it's just the replacement for though, okay? Then the new folding screen phone now. Again, you just gotta keep one of everything. So that way I can test stuff during so when so the question will come what did I go with and the answer was nothing would fix it. It's like I couldn't actually go with one thing. So it wasn't an easy answer to fix the problem because I would run into something. And I'd be like, oh, well, that's only Z wave or. Uh-huh. Zaven Zik b but it doesn't do these other things I wanted to do like not to the level that I need it. Like if you go into like. Samsung smart things Simpson. Spark things is not a security system. It's your monitoring anything and not only that in comparison to irises app, and what it can do to Samsung smart things Samsung, smart things is stupid in comparison. I mean, it's so not even in the same ballpark in the way that the app works and everything is just I dunno. It's it's very much. It's about the little hub. It's not about connected services that are enabled by the hub. It's just about the hub. And I'm sure that you can get all crazy in V script monkey and make it make do all this crazy stuff. But that's not what I want. I have to have something that my wife can use I can use. And I want it to be simple. So what I decided to do is a friend of mine a guy named rob debt ler ever heard of the sky. I know I know rob. Yeah. He he he was the one still friends with you. I know I'm surprised anybody's friends. To be honest. But so rob is the one who told me that the iris was getting shut down believe it or not. And then he and then instituted this conversation about well where you go. And he told me he was like, you really should think about looking at Alexa, because they just released this new thing for a hub. And I you know, Amazon seems to be doing pretty good with that. And I was like, you know, and I just came back from CDS, by the way, Jim. So I'd seen all this stuff and everything there were people dressed up like Google it hits and Amazon idiots running around. And it was it. I mean, when I say that they were like dressed in these weird outfits, and we're just it was weird. That is weird in itself. So the they were just it was almost like a war between Google Alexa at CS this year. If you if you didn't go, and so I didn't really pay much attention while I was there. But then I was like, okay, I need to look at this. So what I decided to? To do is one thing that Amazon's good about is if you don't like something, they'll take it back. Right. And I said I'm going to go ahead and buy the Alexa. What is it called the pro one? So that you can the one that's got the smart hub built him, but the echo, plus that's what it's called. So I went ahead. And I put all this stuff by the ways in the show. So if you want links to anything I'm talking about it'd be on the show. They. I went on their website. And it goes, yeah. We support your door locks. Yes. We support everything. Everything you've got Mr. Robinson is completely supported by Amazon. Alexa. You name it. We will support it. I you're like what would you support buying me a pizza? Absolutely. We'll support that. Would you make the pizza open my door for me? Absolutely. We'll support that. I mean, it's like you look at it. And you know, how we used to compare the hubs? And you'd be like, well what devices will this thing pair up with and which ones will that one. And you're like, and I did the same thing Samsung's. And I was like, okay. Samsung doesn't support this? And I don't support that in their list. And I was like oh crap. Okay. Well, and then I go to Alexis page, and it's like, we support everything we're one big family. But they don't tell you how they do it. Right. And I trying to get the specs on the speaker aren't exactly very clear. Because there are just wanting to talk about skills and all the other stuff, but what I found out after getting them. And by the way, I also now have an echo show and an echo plus, and I have the regular echo the new one. And if you can get a dot you're lucky because they've been on back order for over a month. If you get the new ones. But basically through all of this. I found out they only support zippy. So what did I tell you where the two devices in my house that we're the most most the two types of devices that were the most expensive thermostat indoors. And I told you that they were both Z wave. So how the hell on Amazon's website? Are they saying that they support them? Right. That's where I went. I'm losing my mind. I'm like, how does this work? I don't understand. And I will tell you that if anyone who is coming from any other smart hub or any other smart? Home system gets Alexa. You have to basically reboot your brain. Because it does not work the way that you think it works, and I'll get into more of that. So the other thing was I told you needed a security system, and that was a key thing. So I had to replace the motion sensors and everything and I decided that I was going to go ring and. And the packager ring I got looks like this. It's the five piece package, and I went ahead and I purchased it. Because of the fact that that's what my doorbell is. And I figured I can unify security and motion detection around ring. And then I figured that. Alexa, would do the home automation and other things. Right. And so what ended up happening is. I was like, okay. These things are going to work together. Because Amazon vault ring. So surely these things are going to work not only that they were giving away a free dot with a purchase. So it was like, okay. Well, I can get a free dot with us. And and when I did the pricing, I think if you check it now, the price is like a hundred and fifty nine bucks or something like this for this thing, which is actually pretty cool. And what happens is that the hub for ring is e wave, so let's think about this gym. So now, we got Amazon who's rolling out there. Smart home, stuff and. They are zig b but ring is all z wave. And so I'm just like, okay. One of these things it's not like the other. So anyway, so I was like, okay. Well, then surely I can just use their Z wave hub to do everything else wrong. Again, Jim, no because ring is very much closed. It's not a hub. It is a z wave communication system for their security products in their camera systems. That's what it is. So if you walk into ring any anything else than thinking, it's a security system and cameras stuff. It's not there yet. And I and I think that's one of the reasons why Amazon Amazon's like, we should just buy them because we have the automation, but we don't have all these other things. So so got that. So then I'd start playing around with it. And I realize I can't get my thermostats to work, and I'm like, well, how the heck do I solve this? And why is Alexa, saying that? I can do this in a can't do this. And they're an noticed all these stickers are once they stick. Cours? They'll just like, you know, how they put like other companies that they support up and down the side of the box. If you ever get an echo speaker. And I couldn't find the box for it. I would have shown you this it like advertises smart things and all these other hubs. And so the way they claim to support stuff is that they they become the one hub to rule them. All they are a a or a system that can't control devices, but can also control other hubs. It's like if this then that on steroids type of thing that they've decided to do which is actually kind of brilliant, and in a way, but when you're moving over you're having to think about legacy devices that you might wanna bring into your that you have. So what I did is. I said, okay, how much is a smart things hub? It's like fifty nine sixty nine bucks or something like that. And by the way, do not try to get this. On Amazon, they make it almost impossible to find out which one is the actual current one. I ordered it on best by same day. Pickup went and picked it up because I had to get this done over a weekend. And and so what ended up doing is. I ended up using that. And it is doing my Z wave encyc- be support for the legacy devices. So anything that won't pair to ring in anything that won't pair to the echo. Plus is using Samsung smart things and believe it or not that's a very low number of things at this point, which I thought was kind of crazy. And again, I said I had the Arlo cameras, right? So oddly enough Arlo cameras are supported by Amazon. Alexa, and and I've got other things when we talk about this further. It's like things that'll blow your mind. So so doing hold on let me recap here. Just to make sure I understand. So you've got all the old stuff is now coming through a smart things hub any re-. Rene's right. And not a one hundred percent. But but most right. Most of your legacy a lot of that stuff because it does both Z wave and zig. Be smart things is kind of that connection hub. And then ring it does all your ring stuff. And and the then the Amazon device can see both those hubs then it can see both ring and Samsung. At that. Yeah. It goes even further can also see my Sonos system. It can also see my Arlo system. So it can see everything like it's these think of it as the hub that rules them. All I mean, it's like you can do all the logic and everything is being controlled at the Alexa side of things, but the device communication mechanism is just an endpoint. Right. And so what I have is. I just have smart things was a sixty nine dollars thing to make a Brittany other things Espace bridge for. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically a bridge and my goal is to work it out like to make it go away because eventually I don't even want it right long-term because it just depends on when things break or when I replace them. And and I at this point there's. Not much paired to smart things. I actually was going to take a look and see what I did like one of the things I made a mistake on as I paired my doors, the door locks to smart things and on the various Avera vox on on rain and on iris, you could program in a hero pin codes for certain people and have control of your door locks based upon pin codes that are controlled over that system and smart things can't do that. You can't say here's a user and the pen code for that user, so because they don't have a cloud service on the back end that does this where the others are all cloud services driven. So what I ended up doing is moving the door locks to ring which ring actually supported those door locks oddly enough, it wouldn't support the thermostats this thermostats had to go to smart things. But the the thing is is that what I ended up doing there as I said, okay? Well, I'll put the put it like that. Because ring will give me the features. I'm looking for and long-term my goal is to get everything on smart things. Anyway. So did you look at Google all in this heard some really good lots of folks have been saying, you know, the Google home is the way to go. Did you look into that at all? Yeah. First of all, I don't like Google. And it's not a that's not like, I'm a Microsoft person. And I don't like I just don't like their monetization strategy at a company, whereas Amazon is very consumer focused in there and everything, but the other thing is is that it's kinda like between Google and Amazon it's like an iphone versus Android fall. It is exactly like that. And in the early days everything goes to the iphone first and then makes its way over to the Android phone at some point. And that is exactly what's going on in this space, not to mention when I started like when I started going into it. And I got this thing up in working. I will I will tell you. I was on the phone with rob doubt ler almost every day telling him, holy crap. I cannot believe how far ahead Amazon is over go right now. It's when it comes to this. Space is so like immensely far apart. And I'll explain it. I'll explain what I mean by that. Because I didn't know I was getting features. And there are people who are walking around today who probably don't even know that they can do what they can do with the setup. And I was like you've gotta be kidding me. It will do that. And a lot of it has to do with what I know to do which is lane natural language intent routing, right, which is what I just happened to be doing. But I'm doing it for like companies that are building competitors are not necessarily competitors. But building enhancements if devices with natural language speaking that work ensure Alexa, might be in there. But it's it's not you're talking to the device not to your personal assistant. So I kind of understand how that stuff works. And when I started seeing what they had done. I went that's brilliant from. I mean, it's like a level of brilliance that I was like, wow, that's really cool. And I remember I called rob. Don't learn I said every other home automation company in the world is dead. They are dead and home. They are so far ahead in the home speaker home experienced stuff that it's not even I don't even think it's close. I mean, I'm I'm talking. Iphone where the iphone was when the first Android phone came out. That's that's how far apart. I think they are. And the reason that you don't hear about that is because people just have a speaker, and they just talked to the speaker. And what will the speaker answer for me is the valuation? Yeah. The home automation bits. I don't think the average consumer, you know, both Amazon and Google have sold millions of the devices, but very few. I think are actually, you know, our listeners are because they're they're nerds right there. Geeks, and they're hooking these things up, but we are a very small minority in in these most people are just asking for their music or making lists or so, you know, or so I I would I thought Google was a little farther along maybe because you ruled them out you just didn't spend as much time with them. But I've been hearing from a lot of people that that that that Google has caught up fast in the last year. Well, or so well, they're doing just like they didn't in the iphone and the and Android, right? They excel A-Rated to get into the commodity back to get a quality. And that time frame for that to be happen was fast. Right. They are catching up quick. But the problem is is the light year ahead that the Amazon was and so it's it doesn't make you can't make it up in a year. Right. And I I mean every year I would say they're probably will get to equality in a year, year and a half. But what is that in the world attack? And how much progress is Amazon going gonna make in that timeframe because the opportunity here's pretty amazing. So I'll just give you a perfect example. Right. They integrate so closely with Sonos that when I define a room. I can define the default speaker in that room to be Sonos and not the speaker, and I can tell it to play music in the room and it plays through the Sonos system. And those Sonal systems are not Alexa where. That kind of stuff is crazy awesome. Right. Like you. Because and I don't have to say it and some stupid way. Right. They actually understand the intent of what I want this. The the Alexa speaker that is in the room, and what room is the primary speaker system. If I tell it. You know, you know, say Alexa, turn off the lights. It knows what roommates in. And if there are lights that it can and cannot turn off in that room. It isn't turn on and off all the lights in the house, right or or if I say, turn them off on the porch, and all that so part of what you have to keep in mind is what you name stuff and one of the things that just blew me completely away was the ability to define custom intents. Now, I'm going to explain what that means what that means is I can define an utterance or I'm going to say, and what that means is you are going to be it is a macro based upon a speech thing that you say, and so if I one of the first things I did just play in with this is that if I actually said to it. Alexa, dinnertime every Alexa, speaker in my house will say, hey, everyone. It's time to eat. And so I can summon my entire family, and I do this every night now where I actually summoned them, and I could make it do other stuff. I could make it like start playing like a funny song and all everywhere. But the fact that you can do that. Then you get even crazier or you can define custom utterances that will do all kinds of actions. Like, you know, the good night. And then it does all the different things. But I did something where it was like gave my kids their own utterance that actually turned on their lights plays the music. They want in the morning and does everything they needed to do. Right. And even shuts the music off after a certain period of time. I also have it where I can say lock the house as I'm walking out. And when I say locked the house, it will do what I told it to do not like and locked the house is not something that they support out of the box you have, but you can program it to do this, and you and it's just. Like, another input is natural language, which is crazy cool to be able to do stuff like this. I just I think you've nailed it. Where a lot of the people, you know, for me riling, I've had echos since the first generation actually my main echo in. My kitchen is still I gen I've got dots in every room my house. I got one sitting here right on the desk. I didn't know about the whole room aware thing until you just mentioned it, right? Because I haven't played with these features of I came out while I have lights and every room in the house that has a dot in it. I know I did know that because what you mentioned was Sonos reminds me of when they first started out with that whole test. They were testing it with Amazon fire sticks or fire TV's. So if you had a fire TV or fire stick in the same room. You could pair one of your Alexa, devices with that fire TV, and you could be in that room and tell you. Hey, Alexa, pause. And it pauses the TV show, you're watching is they tested there. And now, I didn't even know they've expanded out to obviously sodas which is outside of their ecosystem. But the room aware of is very interesting to me that because it story fitting, and I think you're totally right. Even tech guys. Like me, I haven't I haven't opened the app. I haven't played I'm doing the same stuff with the Alexa that I've done for the past two years. We the only reason we open the app is to look at our shopping list when we're at the store. Exactly. And this is where most people are. Right. And I didn't know in tech guys. I think we just get stuck in this loop of thinking, we know does. And they've updated it since then. Yeah. And because of this gift us, my daughter's room has the first generation I echo that ever came out and everything free can works with it. Because it's all cloud side. It's all they're adding all this stuff to the cloud, and like in this is like a room on the top. And sorry, I've got this new camera with its go circle light at the top. It's like what your default, Alexa. So which is the one that's in this room in the family room. And then, you know, and then all of these different things, and then you can even cry. Create multi-room like names for audio playing. So that you could say play music play music like this and music. Dare is an ideal all the kids stairs or downstairs in the living room and the kitchen, exactly. So you can do that where you want to do multi control. And it's the combination of natural language engine in conjunction as a as a macro component to be able to initiate automation. And it's stupid. Crazy. You can do it with sensors at absolutely can do it with sensors like what you used to do with like an if this then that, but now you can actually tear turn it into natural language in program, your own custom intense, which is crazy. I mean, that's like super it. Vance guys for like natural language systems. Because when I say I can program it my daughter's name is Kylie and my son's name is kipton. I can say Alexa, do some. Something in kipton room. And it picks it up. It knows what I said. And that's not a normal. Word kipton is an ice spelt it his name K I P T O N. It gets the phonetic match to that. That is freaking hard people. If you understand that is crazy advanced. So so there's that, but here then something popped up on the screen while and plan in the app, and I'm like, what is this thing? That's interesting. Okay. So I started playing with the speech stuff in saw this thing called drop in have you guys ever played with drop in. We love it. I use it all the time because I have so I'm in the basement, and I have my echo here and she's upstairs and show drop in from our master bedroom. She'll drop in from the kitchen, we use it all the time, and you can do it from the app. Yes. Which is crazy because if I can't get a hold of my wife because you she's left her phone in the bathroom. She's with our kids in the kitchen. I can always guarantee it. I drop it on the kitchen that she's there kind of it kind of cool. Yeah. So if people that don't know what drop in is so drop in is that you can say Alexa, drop in. And then you say the name of the echo. So again, you need to think about what you name your devices. So I would say like if I said, Alexa, drop in master bedroom echo. Right. Then what's going to happen is it's going to drop it's gonna create a conference, basically like a speakerphone talking back and forth between the two. So if I'm downstairs in the kitchen, and I wanna talk to my wife is upstairs, which I hate this one thing I headed about when I moved here moved from a ranch to a two storey house, and I feel like I'm running up and down the stairs constantly just to tell people. Tell the kids or have a conversation. Hey, have you done your homework or something like that? So when I did that I was able to able to basically it turns your whole house into an intercom system. It's the old school intercom system. Everyone wanted back in the day. At least when I was a kid. We always wanted the intercom system, and there's these cool things like this that make it where you can hang a dot from a from a power outlet. And that allows you to be able to put that somewhere in a house wherever you can hide it, and the fact that it has the audio the if you haven't played with the array Mike that are on this these things they can pick up really easily. So you don't have to worry about that. And so you can get something like that for nine bucks. And I think I checked today if you buy three pack echoes you can get them with tax ship to you for like twenty something dollars apiece. So you start throwing these dots around you, basically, they become the the catcher. So that you can initiate commands vocally, but you can also turn them into a intercom system or a music playing system as well. So I mean when you look at it from that perspective. You're like, wait a minute. If I just think of Alexa, quit thinking about it like answers stupid questions. Right. If you think about it in the home automation police as a natural language interface intercom system, and you know, and a music interface for your whole home twenty nine bucks, seriously, guys. I mean, that's that's crazy. That's why I said you start getting into this. And you realize how far this is in advance. And only that I can over the internet from any smartphone having conversation over data to it. And I'm pretty sure you can call between them, but I haven't really got into trying. Thank you. Can you can send listen to this seep? It'll do. From jim. This is an announcement sent from my phone. Thanks home. Gadget geeks listeners. Yes. Yes. Yes. So the same way you can do that jump. If you go into your app, you can go in and create a place that you do it just so people know how to do this is if you go into devices or I'm sorry, you click that little hamburger menu. And then you say routines. Okay. In there. If you ask a routine says when this happens you hit the plus this is where you can put a voice, and you can make it when I say, this you say this on all my echoes at the same time. So if you wanna make it call and say dinnertime, you can actually make it where it says to everyone. Hey, it's time to come eat come down and it play on all of them at the same time as a macro. So let's just a simple thing when you start playing with this. You're going to be like, wow, that's really cool. So I I will say that. I didn't know it was this far it it really blew my mind that I got all these features next thing. I know I'm buying Dotson. Echos all over the place, and because they don't cost much. It's not that big a deal. But the the thing that I will get back to the home automation is that I also had to figure out how to set the rules. So the idea that I would recommend for most people is you're going to need to think about which rule engine can use. So there's some things that it won't do like if you're wanting to control your thermostat more granular -ly, you're probably going to do that setting light. And smart things for me. That's where I'm having to do that like turn at this time turn the temperature to this. But I won't more granular control. Because I want to say if it gets below this than do this. If it gets higher than do that that level of detail was smart things isn't one hundred percent there yet within it. So you have that ability in those systems and then rain because it's got the doors. It handles the pin codes, and all that type of stuff what I would tell you is think of Alexis like this if this then that. Being able to do switching on and off and things like this playing music intercom system all that type of stuff, but it's not too far fetched that the rest of those intelligence are going to be added in the routines over time. And my goal is to move completely away from smart things over time. And just go to that. Now, the reason I didn't my thermostat. So remain reason. I have smart things just to be clear. It was cheaper to buy smart things up than a rebuy thermostats. And the reason I will replace all my thermostats. But I am convinced the Amazon will by echo bay. It makes sense that they would buy them. And I know they just bought somebody just recently. They all Eero. Yep. And I believe they've out euro because they're going to turn that same plus speaker into a wifi mesh wifi system guarantee. You that's where they're headed their way with me. Why wouldn't they devices are already around the house right now, they have access to all the data that leaves your house? Right. Yeah. They knew exactly what you're doing on the old times. Well, and think about this if they took the ring hub that they already have right? That supports all the ring stuff. They made that into a router. And then that router talks handles the WI fi mesh core to all the Alexa, speakers that you're going to spread all over your health. Anyway, why would they not do that? So the only thing they're missing right now is is thermostat control. And that's why I will not buy thermostat right now until I see who they buy because I know whatever they buy is going to get fully integrated into this ecosystem, and I'll be able to say I'm hot, and it will turn the thermostat. Up and now now you can do that today. Right. You can do that. But I want it to be smarter. Right. So I have a feeling that they're going to be able to pull this all together determine what room I'm in. And if you think about echo bay, e Kobe has the concept of understanding, what's in different rooms, if they took the sensors and built it into the into the Alexa speakers as well. Then you could just have an echo be thermostat, and you put the speakers around, and they tell the ambient temperature of the room and then while law, you've got yourself the ability. I'm hot I'm cold. You can control in say, okay. We'll where is this person talking to me and adjust the proper thermostat. Well, I'm not right because like in my home right now, I got access points everywhere. I got to echo be sensors in the room, and I got a dot in the room make a dot E Koby sensor. That's also a wifi mesh unit on one sold right here. Like, I'll I'll take it. And think about it. What is it gonna cost me the sixty-nine bucks to replace the hub? So I'm just saying you gotta think about it. Like, I would tell you if you're sitting on Samsung smart things right now, you should go by Amazon, an Amazon speaker, you should I think you might actually have to get the one that has the plus. I'm not sure you guys have to test that and let me know because I don't how that experience does the plus have the Zubi in baked in. That's why. Yeah. I don't know if that's what added all the home automation stuff for me or not. So what I was hoping it had to be right? Because you there have been no other hub to get that you they can do it through skills. That's how they're doing it. They're doing it through skills. Have another hub though. You did. Yeah. Those. And so what I would die to know is someone got a dot. And they put a dot with a Samsung smart-t things could you get all the actions, and the the stuff that I was telling you about will it work with your smart things from the Alexa service. I would I would love to know. I can't test that because I don't have a way to test that. But if that works, then why the heck would people start doing it that way because you have a complete glide path right off of the system of the legacy system. So I'm just my view of it is pretty came pretty it'd be pretty awesome. I will say that you know, iris was supported by Alexa. I am a little upset that it's gone because I believe Iran is superior to. I still believe iris is superior to smart things. I I will have people who will disagree with me because they measure success in a different way. But for me, it was a better better system. But I'm kind of the opinion that you know, it's over for the home automation stuff Amazon's already so far ahead in the stuff. It's like gem. I know Google's gotta wifi mesh system. I mean, I know they have it. Right. But the thing is is that do they have all of this stuff working at a consumer level that my wife can make it work. Because now my kids are doing this. They're dropping in talking to me there do I mean, I'm just telling you, it's way too simple. I know that we're all techies. But I'm telling you, it ain't that ARD for you to do this. And so any average Joe can do it because they dumped it down to a point they took really complex stuff and made it really really consumer friendly. And I almost think that the reason why some of the advanced settings that you'd get in a home automation system. Like smart things, isn't there? There because they're keeping it dumb on purpose to bring the people along as they get adoption. And and this is a trick. Whenever you build a voice assistant, you put the most minimal thing in. And then you read the telemetry off of it to figure out what the people are asking. And that's what you prioritize to build. And so I see them doing this. And it's it's it's a brilliant thing. It's absolutely brilliant. So. There. We are. This is where I am now. And I'm completely over the Microsoft guy, telling you, this thing is absolutely awesome. And I'm just telling you, it's me a little bit to be willing to say that to you. But here we are shocked, Jim, oh, and by the way, here's the here's the reason. I went ring from Jim nice job Dwayne. Elaine. So what I would say is you guys you should think about this like everybody who's on iris should probably think about moving moving in a direction like that. Because I think you will actually be pleased and not only that the four hundred and four dollars more than paid for all the things I bought. That's that's the other thing. I will give you one little tidbit if you are a ring customer, if you subscribe to their premium service that cheapest place to buy ring things is from ring because they will give you a discount on all new ring excessively. So if you're going to buy ring, and you're going to build it out, your best bet is to buy the pack. I did which is the small pack and then by the additional components that union. At a discount. Sorry. I was I was super loud. I was trying to send a message. So here's the deal like I've been sending these messages, but they're broadcasting across all of our echoes here into in the house, my wife just went up to sleep in. So she's paying me. Like, what are you doing? You know, why am I hearing these messages? I was like, oh, I wonder if I can just drop in the studio echo. That's that's what the that's the name of this. When are here. I wonder if I could just drop into that. Because that's comes through the soundboard, and we could hear that. And then I could be sending you these cool little messages just to the studio echo. Well, when I did the message when I did the drop into it it tried to make a phone call. And then when I hung up I got the loud got the loud. So the announce I would love it. If that announce meant functions said, which echoes do you want to send it to now imagine I could go in there, and you specify you can you can say say it only in one. At because you can actually have a voice command like I can say wake-up, Kylie, and if I say wake-up tighly, it'll turn her lights on it'll start playing music, and it'll tell her to get up that's part of the routine. So I would need to add that to a routine to say say this when this happens on this device because it's not an announcement. Yeah. I see what you're saying. You want to be able to do one on demand. Dynamically not as a routine. Correct. Yeah. Just for the fun for the fun of the show because they don't know play through play here in play through the through the because that's gonna fun just to you. You'd listen you've I haven't spent a while. I think I'm like everyone else. Like, I haven't looked in the Alexa app in a year, and you've been messing around with some of these. I was on the road. I was coming back from Lincoln the other day. And so it was between Lincoln and Omaha. And I was listening to another podcast, and they were talking about this about the functionality of being able to do the drop in right off. The phone which had been there for a while. And so sure enough I fired up the phone, and I hit drop it on the kitchen and Sarah answered in. I was like, hey, can you hear me which is like every phone call? Now, we start with can you hear me on the old phones? We never did that we just said Hello. But now he say can you hear me in? And she was like, well, this is kind of interesting, and yeah, I mean, there's some I kinda missed this create a routine feature that's in there and gets me thinking like, okay. What else could I do? It. Also makes me wanna put one of these things in every room. Yeah. That's that's the problem. And you're like, wait a minute. It cost me twenty nine dollars a room right in. You're like that's not that bad now while house, I can outfit the whole house for less than two hundred bucks for deals sometimes you can get them for almost nothing. Yeah. Because right now, just so, you know, the deal is if you buy one, it's like fifty bucks, they'll buy one, you if you buy two they give you. Like, I think twenty bucks off or something like that. And if or forty bucks off, I think if you buy three they give you seventy five dollars off right now. And I was wondering like, I don't know if you guys saw I think Surat just put out something on his website talking about there was like eighty three point five million speaker, like smart speaker. So. Like they're getting into almost a billion of them. Right. And so and you start thinking about it, and you're like, wait a minute. Holy crap. These things are getting really popular. And why is why is the echo dots? Second generation out of stock in on back order right now it's out of stock in a back order because Jim everybody's figuring out drop in and they're figuring out these other things and they're going holy crap. What went in every room, and then there, and then you start getting into these little things where you can hang them on the walls. And you hide them bind something and you're like, wait a minute. It's just like my whole house is now like. Audible now lis- there is something Jim that we do need to address it. For the people who like to wear ten foil hats. Don't do this. So yeah, I don't do it. 'cause I you're going to not be happy with every things listening to you all over the place, and and all that type of thing, I will assure you that based around what I know the keyword detection the way keyword detection worked. So the the echo the reason why you don't give it its own your own word is because it would have to listen to you all the time and send it to the cloud. Okay. The reason why it only hears you when you say the three different key words. I think that they support is because that that algorithm of what that sounds like that keyword is on the silicone it runs in the in the speaker for the keyword. It can only hear that key word. And when it fires on that, keyword it. Then hands it to the cloud, and the cloud verifies that keyword was actually said, and then it. Opens up the communication now. All this happens in an instant that and everything, but I wanna make sure people understand the speaker is not streaming everything to the cloud. And if it was it would cost so much money to do that that there's no way that they could afford the compute for a twenty nine dollar puck. Right. It would bankrupt the company. So the way they do it is it is a keyword detection own device that then verifies online, and then opens the speaker to stream online so just for people who wear ten foil, hats, I know that doesn't help you. But I will also say that, you know. I'm yes. And I'm sure the NSA can absolutely listen in on everything. But I'm just telling you that. I know that probably me saying that doesn't help with people who are really really worried about this. But I will also say that nothing irritates me more than people who are walking around with their laptop with a little sticker over the the front camera and they're walking around with their cell phone. And because that things got a GPS positioning system on a Ray microphone how many cameras on it. And how many times do you ever? See anyone with the little sticker over their selfie camera or over all the cameras on their phone. You know, if the NSA was gonna listen to you they're going to listen to you from that, not from your recompete. See, okay. So. Doing a WebEx pajamas at home. I need to have that. Sure. And so they're not gonna see me my pajamas. Come on. There's a practical use cases there. Oh my God. You're killing me. That's the different problem. That's that's video. If and by the way, I did get an echo show. I didn't talk about this. I dig it an echo show. And here's the thing. It really is freaking crazy. It's supports all my Arlo cameras. I can say show the front porch Atkins. They show the back deck. I can do all of that. Right. It's actually pretty funny works works like a charm. If I say show the front door to get to get try to get it to play play the video from the ring doorbell, which by the way, wring his own by Amazon that doesn't work. But the competitor solution works perfectly. I was like, are you kidding me? That's hilarious. So this is my life jump nuts. I it's a good overview. I think it's a good Dwayne is you dig into this stuff. I'm like, I always think, you know. I I look at your show notes. And I'm like all boy, what are we getting ourselves into tonight? Let's is we talked about this. But as you work through it. I wasn't sure I didn't read ahead on the notes because I like to kind of I like to kind of be in the moment. I wasn't. I wasn't sure you were going with this. I I was kind of like what's he doing here? And and you know, what I did not expect you to come up with the Amazon solution as being as your daughter's pretty freaked out by me right now. She's she's. She's like, so if you want to know what Kylie looks like they're there, we go. Yeah. Wasn't. I wasn't sure. This is where you were going to land on this thing. I miss shocked as you. Yeah. Yeah. I I am a little surprised. I do like I like I said we've had a lot of folks say chat room, those kinds of things have really loved the Google you. You've got a reason why you don't wanna do that. But it is a good reminder of a lot of the functionality. That has come on these on these echo devices on these Amazon devices. Sorry, I call my thing and echo. It's gonna speak up here in just a second. Nope. I guess it's not. And so you kinda you kinda once again, Dwayne you have stunned me. Yeah. Well, and so Ryan in the chat room, by the way is saying that his echo show will actually let him see his ring. So I just wanna make sure that people know I have the video doorbell pro I have the one that's hard wired. So I am curious. If other ring doorbell cameras will work if this is unique to me. I don't know. I will tell you. There's some really weird. Okay. So let me tell you. If you got another hub. Make sure you add all the devices to that hub before you had the skill because for to do the inventory. Okay. So Ryan you've got the original. So I have is the new one. So I have a feeling it's just a timing thing to get it done. So so maybe it will be that the pro will come here shortly. I'm not sure, but I'll I'll keep you. Up to date on that one. So what if the thing I'm kind of curious about is we kind of go through this. It's going to be where will other people find like other little gushes. Because the like I said the issue is when you add a skill is when it inventories, and then you ski and then ask you to scan the devices. So the only way I've been able to find for it defined new devices on another hub like the you add a new device to your smart things hub. I'm actually having to delete the skill and Riyadh the skill to reinitiate a scan to get it to do it. And I think this might be a temporary thing or maybe something there they'll work on. But I I have noticed that being a problem, but I'm not adding a ton of crap to smart, things and other stuff. So as long as you just go ahead and add everything, I think, you're okay. But because I am having a little bit of an issue right now on some stuff that I added to the rain being able to get the door locks to be seen again. Because I took them off a smart things. And then put them back onto the in. Then put them on the ring. And I I feel like it's there's some bugs there. But it's you know, compared to what we were dealing with Jim back when we started this. It's like I would never imagined. I could say locked the front door, and it'll just be like, okay. Done. Yeah. It's super great. We we've been talking about it in in some form or fashion, and I've been kind of holding off just because we're gonna move, and I don't wanna put anything in here knowing that. I'm just kept tear it out or get the leave it. So this is good. This is a good reminder. You know, as I think about the next place can aware I start and when I'm gonna look at and how I'm gonna do I would've I I've been and I probably need to I really do need to give the Google home. A look I have a few of the I have a few devices that old work on. They're not very good. So they're pretty slow. But I think we got to give it a fair. Look, I think it's doing pretty well. And I think it doesn't pretty interesting things. So so stuff doing good stuff. I know you got a ton of stuff in the show notes. But that took most of the time. Yeah, we had and we'll we'll have you back on to cover some of those things. We'll have you back on to give maybe on the six month anniversary for tesla. We'll we'll see if you still really all like it even after because you even when did you buy it? Was it six months ago September Tober this when I got it. Yeah. Got it. I got it and say remember, so you're at the six month Mark now summed up six months thumbs up. I have over. I have almost nine thousand miles on that car, and I don't think any other car in my entire driveway has moved in over a month. We my wife, and I are fight over it. Because it's like imagine, Jim. Okay. I'm just gonna I'm gonna paint a picture for you guys for just a second here. So we're going to go and do to imagine if every day you went out to your garage and you wanted to go somewhere. That your car was always full. Yeah. That that in itself is the reason my Jaguars sitting outside. It's been on like an eighth of a tank for like two weeks that things a five hundred fifty horsepower. Five hundred fifty three foot pounds of torque all wheel drive beast of a v eight supercharge car, right? Super fund drive. It actually feels kinda slow compared to my standard hundred day. And I don't want to drive it because I I have to drive it is to a gas station. And that's something that does not exist anymore to me. And I'm like, this sucks. So the only I believe it or not it's going back. The Jack goes back on the in like a month or two, and I've already ordered a Jeep. So what to do like a car thing? Why why did doing it? Go from a five hundred fifty horsepower all drive sports car to a Jeep. Wrangler. Yeah. Wow. So it'd been having another car if you're fighting over the test. So why not another tesla? That's what I want to know. That's the real question. You know is believe it or not that was actually a huge discussion. And I can answer that question. But that's another episode. That's all. We'll tease that out. We'll doing thanks for coming on and talking a little practical. I think low practical walk in through. So she for those on IRS that maybe a little bit of wakeup call. What's the date on that? It's the thirty first of March is that nineteen they need to you need to submit that refund. Hey, you got like a month? Then what nine or ten days now? So you've probably need to get on it. And I just to get I think a lot of people ask how long probably take me to get moved over because that seems to be a common question. And the answer was it took me a good three days to get it the way I wanted it. If you talk about the device pairing process, just do not forget with Z wave and zig be devices, you need to go through the unpicking process or your life is going to suck. So just learn the process of of of unpacking before it don't just turn the IRS hub off if you just turn off your life is going to suck. So just unfair and repair. Okay. 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Episode 279: GE Appliances goes for the Gold in security

The Internet of Things Podcast - Stacey On IoT

56:55 min | 2 months ago

Episode 279: GE Appliances goes for the Gold in security

"The. Hey everyone. Welcome to the two hundred and seventy ninth episode of the Internet of things podcast. This is your host Stacey. HIGGINBOTHAM ENTER CO host. Kevin, toefl at. We have a pretty great show for you. Today. We're GONNA be talking about s going all digital. We've got another subscription drummer thing happening this time of the smart kitchen space. We've got a lot of what I'm GonNa just lump in is. Combing fundings, and we're going to be talking about facial recognition, a new madame, a APP. A little bit of a niggle on Google assistant and more home kit devices plus a new product that is designed to help you save card your home as long as you're not in the US and Kevin has the wise. Cam, outdoor Kim Review. So all of this plus this week we are talking to John Yousef, who is the head of security at embedded software at? Ge. Appliances were going to be talking about how GE appliances abuse security in that space and why they chose the UL gold standard so so much exciting stuff. But first, let's hear from our sponsor. This week sponsor is very Are you looking for an Iot developing team who's been there done that. Varies. AWARD-WINNING FULL-SERVICE IOT development firm will work with you to deliver your Iot solution on time and on budget you learn more at www dot, very possible dot com. That's www dot V. E. R. Y. P. O. S. S. I., B.? L.. E. Dot Com. Okay. First up. Let's talk about events but not. Yes, I just want to say that we just hosted an event on our platform and it was called everything is connected and it was awesome. What'd you think Kevin? It was great. We had a choice of sessions this time we had. Fantastic panelists from over a wide range of companies, big and small, many of which we've talked about on the show before I thought it was great. Oh, and the best part I thought was allowing the audience to ask questions. They could actually come on quote unquote onstage on video and speak and ask questions to the panelists. Yeah. I was really nervous about that, but you guys y'all came through for me. So I, I appreciate y'all being willing to come up and ask questions and I will just say that I the highlight for me I think on the consumer side was actually Matt. Van. Horn the CEO of June talking about. The realities of building connected service and keeping it running in terms of costs. So he talked about you know his cloud bill and why he has to think about charging like some sort of subscription, and that's actually gonna come up again later as it comes up. More and more recently on this show but I thought that was pretty awesome. Then on the enterprise side, I had Irene Patrick who is from Intel and she brought up this idea of when companies are working together in idea behind the whole event was building ecosystems. When you're part of an ecosystem, one of the challenges for companies big and small is how to it, who's actually doing what they're supposed to be doing in these kind of more complex systems I, thought. Thought, that was a really kind of fascinating one idea. But to it's probably a really interesting startup opportunity and I tried to do my part because I had met van Horn from June and Michelle Turner from Google, smart, Home Division in the same group, and I tried to get them talking. So we can get Google home voice commands for the June of it, and so if happens, that's why it's Kevin. We can blame. We'll. We'll credit are event not just. Okay. But if you want to actually see the event, you can go to www dot stacey on iot dot com slash connected, and we'll have videos up and you can watch any of the sessions that you want. I was really excited I was like Yay this. Well, you was great. So let us move on to another digital event, this one that we're not going to. Is it surprising. Know maybe he s said this week that they are going to have an all digital CS twenty, twenty one, which are Yay. They had talked about doing a scaled back, show a couple months ago. They were like, yeah. We're going to do something. They had put out some temporary plans with the what to expect of having. Onsite event during this time in Las Vegas, as they always do saying that they would encourage social distancing they would have. Some temperature checks and they would sanitizer available at many stations and they were suggesting to vendors not to have these events where made if you've been to see us or if you haven't, you get packed in like sardines to some of these events. So it's just not conducive to have it during this time. So when they said, they were going to have a few months back. I was skeptical then. Yes. Me Too because just even walking the halls. There's a hundred and seventy thousand people at this event, and if you think that like two or three years ago, they introduced bag searches and that really slowed things down. So if you can imagine temperature checks. No it's the responsible thing to do and I in general. Think it's overall good for people like you and me, they go there on the health side. On the downside, we are not going to literally or figuratively rub elbows with people in the industry that we talked to at the show, and it's a huge economic problem for Los Angeles? It's a challenge. Yeah. This is I mean it's a huge event for them. I will say, so Kevin I've been noodling around this idea of creating like. Office hours for us to see new devices or maybe it'll just be for me because I don't know how you feel about office hours. But so I'm noodling this idea, feel free to send me emails or give me your feedback on. How you think that might work can do. Lord help us decide demos. In my days a a reporter I hated people who are like I would love to decide Demo with you and you're like, no, don't come to my office. How I'm I going to see the cool stuff that's out there I. don't know. But really I just. If you were at Eureka. Park I want to see what kind of weirdness you have been cooking up. That's basically Eureka. Park is the is the start up and I don't WanNa. Say mostly overseas vendors, but a lot of it is, but it's BILLION STARTUPS, universities, they all take space there. There's some really cool stuff, and then there's just stuff your lake. Then, there's just a lot of stuff. Yeah. Are you ready for some drama this time, there are some heat happened in the kitchen, mellow. A sous vide device that actually was kick started one fourteen. So a long time ago, we need to come up with a term for these companies. Basically, what they did is very recently, their assets were foreclosed upon and the new owners of them. They said, hey, we're going to have to start charging you forty eight bucks a year. For access to our custom recipes, custom recipe was something where if you like popped up pork tenderloin into your mellow, you'd say, Hey, it's pork tenderloin, which just automatically cook at the way. It's supposed to kind of like our June ovens except the Susu. Cooking in water, heated water and. Now, what they do is they let you set the temperature and time. So you can still your SUV. Will function, but all those custom recipes those you actually now have to pay for and people are upset because one. They didn't get a lot of notice to they feel like they already bought this piece of hardware, and now they've got to pay for the access they used to always have for free. And this is very reminiscent of the week drama, and by the way yesterday was the first day of my new wink subscription. So that's happening I actually set it up. So tell you more about that next week. And is actually happening right now to wise, they took a slightly different tack. They realized that if they wanted to do image detection in the cloud, it was going to cost more than they could afford. So they said, Hey, friends pay what you want in. So really what's happening is this reckoning in this is about S- about the time for that reckoning to happen, which is when you sell connected hardware, you're on the hook for however long it lives in the customers home or however long you say it's GonNa, be good for and other companies like Hugh, have just basically said, you know what? This device is only work for another year year and a half, and we're only going to support our devices for three years following purchase. So. That's one way to handle this back in twenty fourteen, not a lot of people were thinking about that. So this is the other way to handle it. I feel for the buyers of the company. ocoee actually is probably another interesting parallel there, right? The maker, the vector robot in the Cosmos Robot, but about the vector and they kind of went kaput when on key shutdown, but the was sold off and it's been revived. There was a kickstarter to help revive it. So some funds additional funds are raised. But not only got back the original. Functionally, I've even gotten new features and improvements. It's much faster to respond to voice commands now. So it's almost as if it's continuing as it would have, it's just has new owners and. I decided to back it. So yeah, it's a similar situation. Okay. So that's kind of in the pay. What you want. It's the hey, boil bekker's this is what's going on in our lives and our company. Do you want to help us keep this going at this level I like the approach. It's better than just flat out saying if you want to keep using this device, you're going to have to start paying X. amount of dollars. We actually discuss this at the event earlier this week and it was obvious before the event, but even more. So after the now, during that bigger companies with hordes of cash. You're less worried about this happening I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's I think far more prevalent to start ups and smaller companies, and I'm not suggesting the June is a up a small company. But by comparison to eight Google Amazon Etcetera it is and Matt's comments about his growing cloud costs during the initial cova situation. June ovens got a free upgrade to have the bread proofing feature. There was no additional charge, but that's still had to go out over the years and update that added cloud cost and that was not passed onto the consumer but. But. These are the challenges that these device makers have to struggle with especially when you're unlimited funds to begin with. Yeah, and so there is a it sounds like maybe we're seeing evolution of maybe a couple of choices here one, we'll call it the Phillips. He route notify people well, in advance at their devices can be deprecated basically and people are going to be upset. But you know at least they know they at least they know when they have a longtime like hugh gave people like a year, almost a year and a half. So that's one option. Second option is I. Guess pull the pay what you want or a kickstarter. So go to your user base and explain what's happening and ask for more in hope it's enough which feels pretty tenuous but may work. We'll see. Will it work for the long haul? That's a really good question and right? These people are would essentially double down on a device and when you eventually because you will eventually have to deprecate it. What's happens then and then three. I Guess Pula, winker Polo in just be like, Hey, we can't afford to keep this operational. So you've got like a week or two weeks pay up for me personally, and this is just me I'm not suggesting everybody thinks this way it makes me reconsider what brands I will look at. Now because I've seen this happen one too many times and I'm sure sooner continue to happen and again I'm not saying that it can't happen to an. An Amazon Predatory Google product or anything. However, I have a little more faith in the funding aspect of it that I'm more willing to take chances of buyer. Yeah. And I mean Amazon has killed like the look camera that Ashwan all kinds of other things at people purchased. They also have the coffers though to say, Hey, this is no longer going to work. If you want, you can trade it in for this or something else so. Okay. Yeah. Speaking of hordes of cash I'm GONNA call these the Cova fundraisings because there are a slew of companies that we've talked about in the past, and he didn't had their their people on our show that have raised a lot of money and I think cove. It is one of the reasons which is going into downturn if you can. You shore up your finances by getting as much cash as you can. Right. So that's just good overall practices to all of these companies have seen a boost from the pandemic. So the first is density their. CEO, Andrew Farah on the podcast recently density is people counter. They raised fifty, one, million dollars and. When I when I talked to them, he andrew in April I. Think it was he said their revenue for occupancy sensing people counting because, of Covid, the revenue was up like five hundred percent in one of their products, which is crazy. But it makes total sense given that many places of business. Now limit how many people can be in place at one time and short of. Of watching people come in and come out in counting the manual, and there's no way to know that. So it makes total sense true windings, which makes health devices. They receive sixty million dollars in a series B. Round, and why this is interesting because they used to do consumer products and actually really neat consumer products they got bought by Nokia, and then the founder of weddings. Why things back from Nokia and now they're getting into medical medical devices. So, this funding helps them. Interestingly even though they're kind of turning on a dime here to say, we're just going to go with medical grade type devices that we sell to health professionals and hospitals, and so on. They still do sell consumer devices I guess that's just to either got the production line committed or you have inventory Cetera, there good devices. They are. I've tried their blood pressure monitor tried their scale I had their tracker awhile back, and then the third in this Trifecta of Covid fundings is tempo. These guys make an out home workout tool. It is two thousand dollar device that has a camera. It's got Matt and you lake do workouts and it coaches you through it Peleton for wheat lifting. I guess they also can do hit classes and that sort of thing. So this is obviously home gyms. Huge thing during the pandemic, it makes sense people can't go out. These are pricey devices though so I'm like Oh with a subscription as well. Yes. That's key y'all that subscription. That's GONNA. You're paying for the hardware hand, the ongoing maintenance of a connected product. Oh, it burns. It hurts. Okay. Let's talk about some smaller news, some of which is not awesome such as rite aid came out this week that they have deployed facial recognition systems in hundreds of US stores, and now they're turning them off I believe, yes. They actually are off at this. This point according to Reuters who wrote the story. But I didn't realize this has been happening over eight years. They didn't really make a big new splash about saying, hey, we're going to put facial recognition systems in two hundred stores across the country. Oh, and by the way, most of them will be in non white neighborhoods, largely lower income areas and okay. Shoplifting etc. But this just it's not with me. Yeah. Well, did you also know that Home Depot and Lowe's used facial recognition? I saw that as well. Yeah, and that's what this was. A really good story is rather rather long. We're GONNA. Obviously, we're not going to cover everything in it but yes. Makes, me wonder who else is doing it that we don't even know about. Yes. This is why I think. You do need transparency around these things because you know we do know that the algorithms are biased. We also know that well, actually right now, masks make it difficult for these things to work so. You could argue that we don't need to think about it now, but this is the perfect time to think about it. We could actually make real rules around facial recognition that makes it equitable. I guess maybe not. So surveillance scary I don't know I. Don't know if that's possible but we should try. Yeah. In good, News Amazon is revamping its madam a APP and goodness. I can't tell you I hate opening my batum and I will not do anything. It takes forever to load. Even when I had those, I once had an Amazon person come out and walk me through a smart home setup just to get that experience, and even that guy was like holy cow, this is painful. I was like, yes. So I don't have it yet but I'm excited it's going to focus more. More. On a personalization. So you're GONNA have a personalized suggestions on what you do based on what you normally do. So it might be reminders. It might be a book that you're listening to. It might be your smart home devices and you can also control things that are currently active. So if you have those Amazon Echo frames, you can adjust the volume on that when you open it because it'll be it knows you're using it. There's a lot of things about this that. Should be great and I really hope that it's also faster. They also note that the apple deprioritize the third party voice APPs the skills. So they're gonNA shuffle that over to a different TAB, and you should be getting it basically sometimes this month and by late, August, everyone should have it. So fingers crossed I can't wait. So folks who rely on Google assistant probably can't wait for a fixed to a bug that was kinda surfaced earlier this month by our friend Dave, that's and is now getting some attention from Google if you revoke access to Google assistant devices. Such as an android TV or other devices under network. It can actually d link your nest devices which causes issues obviously because now they can't speak to each other. So I kind of think, this goes back to the whole works, with Nesta, buckle in my opinion, but I don't know for sure. But Google has admitted that they're aware of a bug. It's triggered a security alert that tells users to unlinked to Google count, and that's not what. What should be happening? So if that's happened to you A. Fixes in the work, I, do not know win that's going to roll out. But if you've got some security alerts at your nest devices or other devices have been dealing to her etc Google Assistant. This is probably why man and you can't put those back either. Right? Because if you've got your if you were using nest. Like. If you were still staying on the works with Nest Program, this sort of thing would kill that, right? Yeah. That would be a big problem. So I'd say hopefully you've already migrated but I know some people that are digging their heels in just wait until they they forced don't have to. Speaking of nest should also mention that. And I think this is actually a good thing from Google. They are replacing some nest thermostats that have been having errors are unable to connect to the Internet. So if you have one of these older, this is an older device in talk about supporting something like long-term. Go Google because these nets devices have been in the field. Since two thousand twelve is when they launched. But if you're getting a w five error in your nest does not connect to the Internet and you would like it to you can contact nest and they'll send you another nest. which again, deep pockets come in. Handy. Right Home Kit News. Speaking of deep pockets. Let's talk about. Yeah. So are low arlo cameras. If you have the are low pro and pro to camera, you got home kit. Last year, the ultra also got it last year. But now the are low pro three floodlight camera. SORT. Of gets home kit support. How ever and this is to me. It's not getting the home kit secure video support. So it's kind of like why bothered I mean? Y- adds value to add home get support for people don't get but. Why not secure video as well. Probably. Because there's a apple controls that so much and I don't know if you can do a subscription tied to that without paying something to apple. So be the. Subscription. Often does I was surprised when Logitech created the Apple Home Kit secure view camera because they have their own camera business and subscription tied to it. But I, I, guess, they saw it as an overall widening of the market. I think you're right that it has to do with the subscription because you you pay for an pro subscription to use some of the cloud storage and other features. So it's not offered through apple, but I'm kind of surprised that apple has and said, well, you can offer it and we'll give you homes secure video, but we had a thirty percent cut subscription. Maybe they did and Arlo said, no, I. Don't know. But there's gotta be a way to make that happen. This is the subscription show while the sudden. How you pay for your smart? Home. I did have a poll actually on the event. There are a couple people who had ten or more subscriptions for their smart devices and I kinda wanted to them into therapy. I'm like, yeah, I know you are supporting the ecosystem good for you. But holy cow, that is a lot. I will give up a feature to if I don't feel it's a key feature, but I have to pay for the subscription. I will go with a non subscription with less features, not subscription device myself, but that's just me, which is weird because I have I mean I subscribed to like three different streaming video services I. Subscribe to spotify I, subscribe to all kinds of other services, the comparisons, a little different to me because you're getting choice of content at that point whereas with a subscription for a video camera, you're getting what feels like basic functionality? Yeah. In a sense. Yeah. Like June has a subscription for recipes and I think that is. A good way to do it because that feels more like content as opposed to like. Here's a subscription to help you pre heater of. Yeah. I. would be like, no. That's what another does, which ties back into this idea that for connected product to have value, it really needs to be smart and offer. Some sort of service that is new in that would people will pay for so. Even like Peleton or tempo. Those IRV subscriptions till in classes. Right? I mean. Basically, if a connected device can't do more things for free in a sense than a non connected comparable device, call it a toaster whatever you want, why am I. Going to buy the connected device? I don't know. I was like I'm not I'm the. Spoiler. Alert, I'm not going to exactly. All right. Let's move onto security, which is another fun and exciting topic that we talk about. Often this is a new product also coming with a subscription Ha, this is the UK. This is a device called the hedgehog and I don't know I think it's kind of adorable. It's A. Okay. There's some buzzwords going to happen here. This is an a is device that is supposed to secure your home, and basically it looks for behaviors that are weird on your network. It alerts you to them. It reminds me a lot of the firewall device that we have talked about it does, and this is a UK product right now, I believe it's going to be on sale for ninety nine pounds, and the subscription is three or four pounds per month, and I guess the reason for the subscription is because. Going out to the cloud to compare your activity with like. Perhaps known sites, services, devices that shouldn't be on your network. It's basically like if you we've talked about Microsoft azure sphere, for example, which is a cloud and device side security product, and what that does is the cloud side is constantly looking for new vulnerabilities, new behaviors, new weirdness, and that it sends that down to the device and then the devices it has at intelligence. Right, and this is the back end. Is Zombie Home Intelligence. Yes. It looks Nice, and if it does what it says I, think it could be a benefit and it does something's locally because. If a new device is detected on your network, it will alert you and saying, Hey, into you know what this device is. Do you want this on your network? There's some on device things that happen as well. It looks like the Hedgehog is a, it might be kind of like a proof of concept I Zombie and my hunches will probably sees ob tried to push their ai for smart home security to other devices. So my hunches will see that available for others over time, and this is kind of similar to cognitive systems. Did it with they launched something called the Ara security system. This was for this was for actual physical security. This used our F signals to determine when people were moving around in your house when they weren't supposed. Supposed to, and they launched a product to showcase their tech, and then eventually ISP's and router makers took the tack and started putting it in their devices. So that's my hunch. This would be a good fit for a a router partnership because essential this sits between this hangs off your router analyzing all the information on your network. So yes. All right. Hey, you're do the wise outdoor camera. What did you think I did and I kind of feel bad because I think to shows ago I said I was going to tell everybody about it. Not Realizing that there was an embargo date. And I couldn't talk about it on the next show. So if you tuned in last week and didn't hear any comments on this, that's why what do I think? So in typical wise fashion, they've delivered a really solid product from not a lot of money. There is a lot of capabilities here, and most of them already exist on the current wise camp product line and you are paying. Paying a little bit more for this camera. I, mean an indoor wise cameras, twenty dollars plus shipping. This is fifty dollars plus shipping although the fifty dollars includes the camera and in the required bay station. So each additional camera is forty dollars plus shipping. If you'd like to have multiple cameras, the base station can handle up to four outdoor cameras. So I, think that's a reasonable amount. It's bigger than a wise indoor cam it, but it looks very much like they wise. Indoor Cam similar mounting system instead of the bracket built into the camera. The bracket is on a mounting pad that you screw into the outside of your house, and then this magnetically attaches I'm not keen on the magnetic attachment because if you put this to low somebody can just walk up and grab. Grab the Little Cube and walk away and basically have all your footage as well. If you have it on the St Card. So that's not ideal I. put it up high or at least high for me using a ladder, but it works well, ten eighty P fifteen frames. A second is the Max one, hundred and ten degree field of view. The I.. R. Night is actually Really. Good. But then again I use. Wise, indoor cameras, and my light, my windows affect that negatively. So maybe it's just as good. I couldn't say for sure, but it's quite good to my I. I did have one issue, and I should note that I review this with Beta software from was. So maybe that has something to do with it. When I tell my Google smart display to show the camera. It took a long time before I actually got the feel like ten or more seconds, and then it would cut in and out quite a bit unless I dropped the video quality down to SSD or three sixty P resolution. So I'm hoping that wise fixes that because that's just not great in my opinion, you know what feel like I saw about when I tried initially to connect my Arlo to my Amazon display that was like a seven second delay. So it's not I. think There's a lot of cloud hopping happening the this may not be unique to to just wise cameras, but then again, the base station is accepting the video and going on. On my Wifi Network, even going to the cloud. So I don't quite understand I would think wise would be better than other cloud based video solutions. In this case, one would hope I will say though with your ladder, these are battery powered, right? Correct, and the battery will last from three to six months in depends on your usage, how many things attacks and so on. But yes. So I had that issue with MAG mounts on outdoor cameras and I was like, I'm going to stick the so knowing can steal it, and then when it came time to change the battery, I was really mad at myself. I. Just going to let you know that. I didn't put that. Up that, you do need the ladder. Yeah. No, I don't have to do that. Don't have to do that. So there is a new feature. Unique to this camera call travel mode because this is a battery powered camera, you can literally just take it off the mount and take it with you on a trip. Go vacation, go camping, etc, and you can use it to record. Time lapse or maybe you on security around your camping site, I don't know. Maybe you just want to take really cool video of you guys doing silly stuff on vacation. You can do that because again it's battery powered, and because it has a Wifi inside, you can use the wise APP to set a direct or peer to peer WIFI connection between the phone APP and this camera. So you can even click. Click a button to take a picture and so on. I wouldn't use it as a Gopro, but I would certainly take it on a trip and put it somewhere and say, Hey, let's maybe get some cool travel footage. Cool. All right. or You could just bring it in your hotel room and see if anyone comes in while you're out, you could. So now that's creepy. Don't do that. Don't do housekeeping. Okay. All right. Well, now it's time for the voicemail Dundrennan. This is the Iot podcast hotline and it is brought to you by Schley big the best home autonation ads convenience, not hassle with built in Wi fi. These slave in code smart Wifi deadbolt shows you just how easy secure could be learn more at Schley CG, Dot Com, and you this month. July. Will be entered to win if you call us before the end of the day midnight eastern time on July thirty first, you call us at five, one, two, six, two, three, seven, four, two, four. You'll be entered to win a short leg lock, that's this month's prize, and we might even answer your question on the show. This week's question comes from Keith. Let's hear it. Oh, I. Think having this is key from North Carolina. I have recently seen some ads for product called go signed G. Issue and E, and they do wall switches and plugs and. Stuff, like a lot of other folks, they're very inexpensive comparatively and so I did a test and bought one of each. But I'm concerned that I'm I. Really would like to hear your opinion before. I. Invest in anymore more these. Laugh I switch is in. Flux. Thank you so much for your help I. Really enjoy the show and listen to it. Every week. Okay. Keith. We've been talking a while. So I'm glad this is an easy one to answer the Colson products. We took a look, neither of us have used them, but they do use the to framework can to yet is a company they are based in. China, and they basically had all the back in cloud connection and software for a bunch of different connected devices such as the mercury devices that are sold at, Walmart. and. To allow people freak out because they are in China, but to actually has a very robust privacy policy. So from an APP standpoint and from a cloud back end standpoint I. Think you're just fine. Now I can't speak to the products robustness in longevity because I haven't, I have a WOAH outlet for two thousand and eleven and the you know that's still plugging along. Oh, y'all I'm sorry. Anyway, that's still works, but I have not tried these. They are a smoke in good deal. They have good reviews, Kevin, I duNno, they work with. Yeah. They work with Madame A and Google. Guess from voice standpoint and the product line may not be as robust as some of the other brands that you know because I I know that in the US they have a limited selection of products like. Like the total product line is not available, but I've I've looked into the myself on Amazon. I've seen these before and they are typically much lower priced than comparable brand names that you know and based on the two year back, end I. I. would buy one. I would try it I. Don't think there's any reason to be concerned. The only caveat I will give you and I would give anyone this caveat is. For the outlets. Just do it man I mean knowing that the back end is to? Ya, and they're probably not selling your information. That's not a problem when you're installing a smart switch though think about the fact that that's going to be in your wall possibly forever, and there you may have questions about the longevity. But if you if you feel good with like it being there for like three to five years, then you're probably fine. All right. Well. Well hopefully that helps you keep and feel free to report back. You know in a year. If this breaks let us know and we'll, we'll revise Kevin. Did you want to talk a little bit about last week's answer because I think we gave kind of an incomplete answer last week, we discussed how to automate zippy light with a little luck, schlock? Yes and with smart thing. So all those components and I had said to Bob who had called. Called, in that, there is a custom device handler that you could install. I was actually incorrect. It's actually a third party APP that you install to your smart things app on your phone, and he uses the native zagged device handlers from Samsung. It just makes this connection for you. So you don't have to install anything on your smart things hub, which is actually a little more complicated. You just need to add a third party APP to your smart. Smart things APP on your phone. So the solution is the same, but my explanation was incorrect. So there you have it Bob hopefully. You're he weren't wandering around going. Kevin, you lied to me. He didn't. Well, he fixed it. Okay. That concludes this portion of the show. But please stay tuned for John Yussef who is from GE appliances. He's going to be talking about how GE appliances views security and you're going to want to stick around for it. Hey everyone. Welcome to the Internet of things podcast. This is your host, Stacey Higginbotham, and today's guest is John Yousef who is executive director of embedded software in the smart home. Solutions, group. At Ge, appliances who hello John How are you today? I'm doing well, thanks for having me Oh. I am really excited I. Think we're going to have a good conversation. So we're actually having this conversation because I had written about GE appliances being the first company to adopt the new security rating for smart home devices and I just wanted you to talk me through how y'all chose that Y L. chose that taught me through that process that got you involved in U.. U.. L.. Great. So when we think of security, we think one of the key aspects transparency. So how do we let our consumers which we call owners know that we take Security Security's Oh? He's in the forefront. We talk about our pillars as security by design security by default and doing penetration testing. But these concepts are kind of confusing to the average consumer. So we've always been looking for a way to really. Way To. Really easily communicate security to our owners. So we were looking through the different options that you L. Verification, Iot security program came to our forefront, and we looked into it, and we thought this is a really good way to to educate the consumers about security. Let them know that we take security? seriously. So the first thing we did was we read the White Paper by you well through that white paper kind of this is. The, the standards that you WanNa meet our the different levels that you wanna meet the blinds through diamond. Than we had some communications with ul and we came out that we felt and they felt what was appropriate for appliances with the gold level. We gave you well some of our appliances. And devices to test. They did some testing we talked about our documentation. We had a lot of conversations about what we think this requirement meant and how we met it, and then at the end of the day, we were verified to be gold. Obviously, we have some aspects of the requirements that far exceed gold. But from a whole we we meet the gold standard. Got It in the coldest kind. Kind of in the middle, and it's a good standard has lots of things in there. Let's talk about how you decided that appliances fit at that level because I think understanding the risk profile of a device in also kind of made the data collect site I putting words in your mouth talk to me about how y'all thought about how secure it is this need to be because that's a hard problem. Agree, it is a hard problem. We had lots of discussions, but you you hit on the key aspect of what we looked at what is the data that we're collecting transmitting story, and how does that impact the consumer right to privacy levels? Do we need to achieve what kind of data do we have store? How do we tell the consumers were using it and if we give it to a partner So those are the things we looked at it, and that's how we really homed in on. Article Standard. was there ever a question? Your mind that maybe some appliances need more security than other appliances or head of this idea that? Maybe you'd go up or down a level depending on the function or again back to that data collection. Definitely. In the future, we have a lot of different products that we are developing and we'll release today. We have a product called the kitchen, it has two cameras, but both those cameras. All the data resides on the kitchen hub itself. It never goes to the cloud, and as we start to create different appliances that will send data to the cloud. If there's an opportunity to maybe capture someone space or you know catch something that it really wasn't intended to Catcher, then those types of appliances will need a different level of verification. So we understand that today, what we did was at this really are base infrastructure. We want to get that verified chose cold and product. By product, we all have different levels of verification. Again depending on what they are we collect. And just just to remind people, the kitchen hub is that the giant screen goes as part of my downdraft fan is that what I'm thinking of? Yes, that's Today's version. It's a vent hood, which has a twenty seven inch android display. So it has all the full functionality of an android device. You can download from the Google store, you can play videos. So it's really our our first entry into like social cooking. So one of the cameras you can communicate to, let's say, your mom to get cooking rep is a recipe. There's a downward facing camera that then shows what's cooking? No, the Cook Top. And at sea? Yes. We announced that we are now working on the microwave version of that as well. For. Those of us who do not like to cook on the stove you like album makes fancy microwave meals. Spot for the microwave as so that's what people really wanted to see. You know I I this is where I have my microwave I, love the product. If you make it a microwave I'll I'll buy it. So that's what we're doing next fascinating. All right. So you mentioned actually that the cameras none of the data goes into the cloud. But in that case, the data is it's not going into the cloud, but it is. You're communicating that with another person and sharing that over the Internet, it's just not getting stored and that's the distinction you're kind of making their. Right and and since it's an android device on the kitchen hub, it's really using the tools and the APPs that are available through the android store. So maybe you're communicating through just a an APP that you have. That allows you to do face to face communication like, oh, that's the APP that you're going to use to communicate. Got It? Okay. So the other thing you can do is take a picture of what you're cooking. It gets stored on your device and you can send that out any method that you want to send out through twitter. So we email. Got It. Okay. That makes a Lotta sense it let's about the I'll call it the longevity part of this or the. Evolution of your security because security. Is Not like a one and done thing, and my understanding is the certification requires you to come back and get recertified or what's the process there that that make sure that this starts secure in remain so. Yeah. So I think there were two things that we really liked about the I-IT-IT's security rating was that it did do their vacation and you had to go yearly to review all of the security aspects of your devices again. So in order to maintain that rating Iraq to to do another review. The other thing is that it had the ability to grow as the kind of IOT vulnerabilities changed this standard with changes. Well. So that was something that that we really appreciate it. It's not a static verification tool it. It will be dynamic as the IOT vulnerabilities in threat actress change. This actually ties really closely into another issue that I think happens with appliances which is. If all goes well that they should last a decade, fifteen years in my house where or that was the old standard and I. I'm just curious as someone building connected appliances. How are you thinking about the rather short life span of something like even android i? Mean? That's a three to four year kind of support. Contract versus. Other hood that I don't know. I. Feel Lake that should last for quite some time. And we agree with you, we expect appliances the last ten, fifteen, twenty years. So, everything that we do from a IOT perspective is updateable. So all of our software both the WIFI and Bluetooth wireless software plus our core appliance software can be upgraded. So this is important for security and it's important to delight our owners with new features and functionality. So one thing that we always say the benefit of connected is you buy an appliance, but it doesn't stop improving their with being connected to the Internet. Accepting You know software upgrades, you can then get out of features to life with your appliance. I I know that in the early days of the we talked about like Oh. We're going to have bottles that you swap out in update and I don't feel like that's something that's going to be possible. But maybe I'm wrong and it will be or maybe you're just really future proofing things as you design them. I don't know. Yeah, our philosophy is always try to future proof. Like, I think the concept of modules was more about the hardware. So our hardware from that, you know while wireless perspective. Technically the module that you could take out of the unit plug into new module to get upgraded WIFI Fi. Let's say for example, but honestly, I don't think that infrastructure needs to change that often. So. Wh where we really think that benefit will be an future-proof will be the ability to update the software modules. I agree, plus you'll have all these crazy. Do features very excited about crazy new features in by maybe not appliances just yet, but you know in my in my other devices. In this this ties into this idea of security, we've talked about it on the device. You'll also looks at it in the cloud, but broadly, can you talk to me about how y'all think about security when you're building what is hopefully going to be a kitchen ecosystem rate? So we've actually talked about bringing in Android and other APPS, and you know I know that there's lots of food recipe APPs or maybe. integrations with other tools. So how do you think about security? Beyond just the appliance, which is important. But are there other things are roles that? We need to think about as we broaden that ecosystem. So. Fundamentally, our concepts are security by design. So as we go through the process of designing something in house or working with a partner, right, we have their security aspects throughout the program throughout the. Development. Process. The other thing that we're doing is we say we're an open ecosystem, but only in the sense that. We're willing to work with anyone, but it's closed in the sense that we control who are partnering with, and and the main reason we do that from a security perspective. So, before we do a partnership with you know someone like drop from recipe perspective, we WanNa, make sure that any communication going to their cloud is secure. So when we went to you L. another benefit of the US system was it wasn't taking individual components. It was taking that whole ecosystem. How does the data get created in an appliance sent over the air to the cloud, sent back to the APP or third party? All of that needs to be reviewed and and these verification programs who Yep ul took into consideration the whole ecosystem. And let's about the customer reaction. So I remember talking to the CEO of I robot and he mentioned that when they did lot of focus on security and privacy in their at their box labeling in advertisements that customers actually didn't buy the product, he the speculation was that they were so confused or being reminded about security connected device just was like never mind. So I. AM curious what the customer feedback has been in how you're communicating that. The benefit of this program again is its simplicity, and that's what makes this is why I think it's going to resonate with that actual consumers. So from a customer perspective as we work with Home Depot and Lowe's and our other customers, they value this and it's a simpler story for their sales people to tell. So I don't think it works in the way that you described where it's GonNa be a negative because of its simplicity, it should be easier for the consumer to understand and thus make it easier for the consumer to make a decision about. Security along with the features that come with the apply itself. In Connecticut does get into this. This idea of retailers. What do you think the role of retailer should be in pushing companies to make their products more secure in? How are you? How are you seeing that involves? So. It's about education. What we WANNA, do is educate the re retailers. Say this is a feature of our appliances are feature of any IOT. Device is the security protection. We know that consumers value security value privacy, but it may just be issue of how do I know? This is a tool we can work with retailers to say, here's a simple way to communicate this to to your consumers. So it's incumbent upon US combatant on. People like well to start to educate people along the chain. You know sell appliances and IOT devices to consumers. So this kind of goes back to the longevity, but it also goes to the kind of customer experience and that is this idea that. is or something that usually if someone moves they convey with the whole right, I might take my fancy oven hood with me. But probably, not how are you thinking about both communicating 'cause? That's an important thing. I think with the connected product is communicating with owners when they need to do updates and that sort of thing, how do you think about making that easy when a home or appliance challenges hands? The home changes hands. The appliance inevitably will do owner, right. You'll have to do registration. You'll have it do a count, and then you have that new account will always give you the opportunity to update your appliance with newest firmware. So we do two things. One is we give the consumer, the option to always update firmware, and we also have something that says if this is an important security, fix will update the WIFI software without. Interrupting anything that you would do from normal perspective, a normal operating perspective of your appliance. What do you mean update the Wifi software. So we have really a distinction are appliances. We have a why five Joel, it has software, and then we have the appliance core firmware. It has software as well. Right. So a lot of the security aspects are surrounded around just the WIFI module and we can update the Wi fi module with little to no disruption of the operation of the normal appliance Co.. That's very smart. Yeah. So this would be. Most of the like. Malware and those types of security threats are gonNA be targeting the Wi fi module aspect as opposed to something like. The. The core functionality is the idea. Kind of our, even when you talk about you know six. Security by design and the. Security and up, you know defense in depth. Those are kind of layers that we have. So we wanted to separate those two layers, the gateway into that appliance or the gateway to the malware is to buy financial. Okay. And you see that in cars to there's there's usually the I. think of it as the core car functionality, your brakes on that's on campus, and that is entirely separate system in most cases for things like the infotainment system that communicates out with the rest of the world, it doesn't mean that they can't have communication between them and get hacked because they can. But. It's it's an effort. We, agree. That's exactly how we have our architecture setup as well. Excellent. Okay. Do you think that going forward, it will be possible for consumers to buy non connected appliances. We see with televisions, for example, pretty much. Every TV on the market is a smart TV. So I'm just curious what is GE's appliances stance? I might be able to buy dumb washing machine in five years. I don't know if you'll want to buy dumb washing machine in five years, but there are certain washing machines that are still electro mechanical. So those don't have the capability of having WIFI module connected to an electronic control board. But in general are our philosophy as we can add a lot of value to the current washing machine that you hat if you get a connected but you. You can still buy the unit and choose not to connect. That's always an option as well. I did just buy a fridge and it has an option to connect it, but I didn't which was surprising to me and you're gonna be sad because it was an LG fridge. Not Achieve Fridge. I'm so sorry. But the the rationale for connecting, it was lame and I was like, no. So, just to comment on that. So I feel you know it's incumbent upon the manufacturers to give you a reason to connect, but I also feel we're developing a platform. So maybe today you're connected refrigerator doesn't give you all the value that you're looking for. But as we continually give it software updates, you'll may find a feature that says. This is why I wanted to be connected. This is a benefit to me. It makes my life easier or more enjoyable to use the appliance. Yeah. I. Hope For that I I. Remember the last time my prior fridge when it it had issues, I was like I. Wish you were connected. So I totally just like send the diagnostics to the factory and they could be like this is what's wrong. I will fix it bright now. Agree today. That's probably the number. One reason people want to get connected. It's that peace of mind to understand the appliances operating correctly, and if it does have a problem that day that goes to the factory, the service technician is empowered with that data can fix your appliance right the first time. All, right. Well in what keeps you up at night? It's always the unknown, right. So we test for what we call known vulnerabilities, but it's always that what is the do you know threat factor what has been doing ability that we don't know a and do we have everything in place to quickly resolve that issue quickly, update the consumer actually communicate to the consumer. So it's always you know like we talked about earlier, these appliances will be in the home for ten to twenty years like we have to make sure that we're always understanding what would be appliance that we built twenty years ago. How does it react to this new threat and can we update that quickly along with everything from twenty years ago to what we just produced yesterday? All, right? Well, John Thank you so much for coming on the show today I feel smarter and Dow a little bit guilty about not buying chief fridge. That's it for this week. Thanks so much for listening and remember if you'd like more Iot, news sign up for my newsletter at Stacey on Iot Dot. com. We'll see you next week.

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S1E2 - Beware the Zombie Snakes!

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35:42 min | 8 months ago

S1E2 - Beware the Zombie Snakes!

"Meanwhile at the Franks and beans comic bookstore. Good Morning Virgil Oh. Hey Chuck wouldn't expect you back so soon you get your eggs. I did did thank you. Well that's great your mission for your wife. Why yes virgil in fact I am? It's my nephew's birthday tomorrow. Little Tyke is turning eight and my wife sent me forth to procure for him. Some sort of gift and I couldn't help noticing the last time I was here. The two sold action figures. Yes we do in the car. No no no now not today chuck never again. What you out of my store? I don't understand if I'd done something to offend you. Abbott or what the heck. He's a murder Virgil he killed. That letter carrier said so himself last week. You know what now that you mentioned and I do recall him saying something about shooting a letter care and buried him under his house. Well Chuck what not yet to say for yourself. Well to tell the truth gents. Gosh this rather spit it out. Well to be honest high made the whole thing up. You made needed up. You mean you ain't never killed nobody of course not then why did you say I said it because I wanted the two of you to think I was cool. That's pretty messed up joke. Yes yes I know. I'm sorry jets. It's just well. I have what doctors refer to as crippling social issues. I never know how to act around people. And well you seem to be such swell fellas that I wanted to impress you scared the crap. Fatima Chuck that's what you did funny. You didn't seem scared at the time. abner deals with fear by being rude. Yes I suppose that makes sense. You look for anything in particular chuckers this just a social call well as I was telling Virgil German the market to purchase one of your action figures. You got your eyes on any specific wants in fact I do. My nephew has always been rather partial to the old cartoon about that. Mostly Gent. Tough guy you know it are you kitten. He's tough he's a guy he's van. Yes indeed that's that's the one we'll urine look not only do we have a tough guy in stock but all were action. Figures are on sale sale. How far to this? What about shopkeeper Virgil? I'M GONNA leave you to not need to make a run to the bank. See Around Chuck. Yes you to abner I will see you. Around the places. In which social people congregate congregate now back to Virgil. Tell me about this sale. All of our action figures till the end of the month there buy one get one free. Goodness gracious fortune watching does smile upon me this day. The action figures are free. Well yes technically you buy one and then you get one for free. Oh wait a minute so I have to buy the two of them nonetheless. You will four otherwise you'll need to buy one and then you get the second one for free. Well now. I'm confused. I only need one. But you're telling me that if I want a free one I have to buy one. Why would I buy too tough guy? Action Figures Virgil. What am I going to do with the second one will? You don't have to get to the same thing. Thanks Chuck by Tough Guy and get his evil nemesis bad brain. Get him for free clue. What am I gonNA do with a bad brain action? figure out a grown man. We'll give them both to your your nephew. Oh come now Virgil to action figures for his birthday. I have no wish to spoil the child. Will you could buy tough guy get bad brain for free. Then hold onto McGinty your nephew for Christmas or honeker. Would've can't I just take tough guy for free and leave bad brain here. I'm sorry chuck but that ain't the way it works you. You GotTa buy one to get the other one for free. This is a real puzzle. Virgil I can't seem to wrap my head around it. How can it be free if I have to pay where you're getting to action figures chuck but you ain't paying for both of them? That's how it works you paying for one. But you get into but I'm still paying Virgil I'm still handing over my money. How is that free three Think of it like this. You're buying two action. Figures fifty percents off. Let me get my calculator brother. Secret location a deep within the hills of eastern Kansas. One man armed only with the microphone his voice and an unnatural gift for hyperbole brings you the most most important podcast in all of human history. It's time to escape from the mundane. Ladies and gentlemen. This is Stephen Aura. Hello and welcome to another episode of Steven or else. I'm your host Stephen and this is your second episode and this week. Well so you're getting Pretty much the same kind of stuff you got last week but that's cool because a bit of the same is still gosh. Darn amazing stuff. 'em All right right. I mean we're talking about a life changing show here people I'm not much of a purveyor of hyperbole. That's just not me it's just not within me to spout hyper Super Bowl. Is that that's that's that's not how you say it anyway but this may very well be the single greatest podcast ever created. I mean it I mean Franks and beans alone is enough to raise. The Gross National Product did most Third World countries. Am I right. I'm probably not right. But Hey you're in on the ground floor of the one podcast. That may very well save the world or you know it might not. It's a it's a bit too early to tell and so. Hey let's just let me just take this moment here. Let me take this moment in which I am here just me and you were here alone together and we're talking about stuff and I'm I'm in your ear. I'm in your ear. Speak in clear. My dear is what I'm doing there. I'm rhyming just for you but I wanted to take this moment to thank an an old friend of mine and Old Chum. Old Acquaintance a buddy a how a bandmate back when I was. You know Rockin and a Roland Roland Rockin all night and party and every day. So there's this dude who I used to play with. You know if you used to listen to the old podcast Stephen or else podcast when it was called the Stephen Rouse podcast. The theme song was from a band that I used to play in almost host thirty years ago. They were called Trinity Ex and the guy who wrote those songs and played Bass and sang the singer the singer and front man holding his base his his name was and still is actually Derek Ni- bargar and I reached out to him recently just to see because I knew he was still recording stuff in the privacy of his own home anyway. The theme song that we got going on right now was created especially for me by Derek and I thought that was free cool and freaking huge and they met a lot to me and it's still means a lot to me and I wanNA thank Derek right here on the show. I wanted to thank him in episode one but I pretty much had the entire episode completely recorded before he gave me you know before I even knew what he was doing and so I'm taking the time to thank him now. So thank you. That didn't sound sincere. Did IT I. I'm sorry but really really no really awesome really really really thank. You still in sounds ear. I apologize you know what. Let's talk about some comics. What is your favorite the world comics? Yes the Way Back near the end of Nineteen ninety-one the three biggest names in comics todd McFarlane robe-like robe-like field and Jim Lee feeling. That marvel comics didn't quite compensate them the way that they deserved. Will they left the company and they took their talents elsewhere but rather than go to work for another company. The three of them along with Eric Larsen Marc Silvestri. Jim Valentino and wills protest. Yo will they banded together and they started their own company image comics not long after that of course each one of these creators soon launched their own books among them were Todd McFarland Spawn Rob highfields young blood and Jim Lee's wildcats. I was around at the time I was working at a comic bookstore was is a few years out of high school. Well a couple yeah couple years out of high school and I was working at a comic bookstore and I remember you know these books coming out and how it was I mean it was a freaking exciting time. It was it was just. I couldn't wait to unload those boxes and get a hold of some of these books. 'cause I was reading reading Spiderman by Todd McFarlane. I was reading X FORCE BY ROB field. I was reading X.. Men by Jim Lee and as far as I was concerned earned at the time at that moment in time nobody could do it. Better than those three fellas and to be able to read something brand new out of their brains. I just. It was an exciting time. If you were around at the time. What can I say? It was exciting So Yeah I've Been Feeling Pretty Lina stall gic about that time lately and so I've been kind of going back and trying to find these books and reading them and having a lot of fun with them and because because of that today I wanNA talk about the first one that I could get my hands on and that was wild cats number one which was published in August of nineteen ninety. Two who is written by Jim Lee and Brandon Choi Pencils. Were by Jim. Lee Inks by Scott Williams colors by Joe Royce letters by Michael Heisler and the editor was Ruth Guy. So the issue opens on July twenty ninth nineteen eighty a pair of scientists from the United States. Ant Arctic research station called Zebra they discover the remains of a Russian satellite and among the wreckage. They find a silver ball floating above the ground as one of them reaches for it. The woman we will later discover is void suddenly appears out of a ripple of energy and she's like encased in metal she sleek then she's sexy and she silver and the only skin that showing is her face and she starts shouting out them she shouting at them about the ORB. No Oh no. Don't touch it. You cannot handle such power. It's it's not quite like that at all. I'm really doing it a disservice anyway. She shouts at him and she disappears. And then we jumped August ninth of Nineteen Ninety two and were chillan at the international operations crisis. Control Center in Mclean Virginia. Two men or they're they're monitoring and discussing in explosion that had just taken place in Georgetown and then suddenly void POPs in Bang. She appears in the room. And and then you know disappears again. Pretty almost you know almost not very exciting. You know these two guys elect. Hey look at this explosion. WHOA look at that girl? Hey where'd she go. I don't know but she was encased in silver. That was that was that scene so from there. We jump once again to August eighth. We don't jump again gin to August eighth. But we're jumping again. See if you haven't picked it up yet. There were jumping around through time. A lot in this book and this jump is to August eighth. Nineteen ninety were in New York City. A homeless man sleeps in an alley. Two men approach and You know what they want to beat them up just simply because he's is homeless but the homeless man who we find out. His Jacob Marlowe purely on reflex fires an energy blast from his hand which actually surprises him. I am more than it surprises. The two dogs void suddenly appears and she tells them. Hey guess what year alien. And that's you know that's something that everybody's always always happy to hear She tells him that he's Lord emp. EMP from the planet Carib. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. And you know what guess what Lord Emp Homeless Man. WHO's actually alien? You are destined for greater things one more time jump two years later and were actually in the the present August Eighth Nineteen Ninety two Jacob Marlowe. He's now the. CEO of Halo Inc a multibillion dollar company which only goes to show you what you can do you can start from rags and go straight up to riches as long as you have a time jumping Sexy the woman who's encased in silver. That's you know that's all you need. I've been looking for one for years. And so far no luck and so not only is Jacob the CEO of Halo Incorporated. He's also the leader of a team of powered individuals known as the wildcats and cat is an an acronym for Covert Action Teens. So we soon meet the wildcats beyond marlow their Spartan Mall and war blade so this is the time in comics where super teams started to follow a particular template. Okay you had to have certain individuals US within your team. I of course you had to have a team leader. And they were always there. Were two options for this role back at this time when we were following this template you can have the cyclops or the cable on the wildcats. They went with the cyclops or in other words. The button-down clean cut vanilla white boy leader other other than the grizzled old veteran who barks orders like a military sergeant drill guy thing anyway for the wildcats this was Spartan and and you know it's been a while since I've read these books and they don't really explain his powers at all in this first issue and I went online to just get kind kind of a summary of what powers are and you know what I remembered something as I was reading through his powers. This was also a time when they didn't they didn't just have ABS- simple superpowers. You know this guy can fly and he strong. This guy can stick to walls. This girl can phase through walls. You know no they had to having having sex the extremely extremely complicated powers so you know what I can't summarize what is powers are so I'm not even going to get into it. We don't even even really see him in action in this issue. Not really now. If we stick with the X men template for super teams. Were going to need a strong guy or four the colossus for the wildcats. This was mall the thing with mall however he could grow in bulk so he could be like a normal looking dude but then he could grow to look like the Holkar as big as the hulk but the bigger and the bulkier he got the stronger he got but he also lost his intelligence as he grew. Oh so it was kind of like Bruce Banner to the Hulk. I guess you could say next. If you'RE GONNA have a super team in the nineties you need a wolverine and for the wildcats that was war blade. And based on this issue alone he's mostly encased in metal and his hands turned into blades like like the t two thousand from Terminator Two. We're GONNA meet other members of the team later in the issue. This is these are the only folks we know so far so back to the story as Marlow and the team or hanging out void tells them that they have to stop this thing called the Damon Knight Kabul. Who Want to start something called project reunification in generally explain what any of this is but in order to stop it they need to find someone called the gifted one who has the power of sight? Furthermore they have to find her before the Kabbalah so a lot of confusing information right off the bat so from here we get to meet. The Cabal led by dia very strange looking dude named hell spot he and his agents Pike Providence. HASTA and Devon. They're hanging out on the behemoth which is like what the big submarine and somebody thought they would look cool if it had wings on it and I don't know maybe it flies. They probably does because they didn't show that in this issue but to me a submarine with wings a big giant submarine with wings. Just seems silly. I mean doesn't seem like it can maneuver in tight spots very well but here we see at swimming through the Potomac and I do have to mention here that As when I was reading this I had just just finished watching all three of the Austin powers movies and I couldn't help get like a real doctor evil and his henchmen vibe you know as they were hanging hanging out in their evil submarine S- anyway. We learned quickly that another dude. That's with him. I didn't name him because it doesn't matter he's a traitor and they kill him. Establishing thing that these folks mean business back to Marlow and his team they visit this creepy dude called the Gnome who tells them the location of the gifted one which which is Georgetown but only after Marlo promises to do him a favor in the future which you know that was easy. Hey can you tell us where this person is. Yeah I sure. Will you do me a favor later. Yeah I can do that okay. They're in Georgetown Awesome. Thanks High Five. But of course we find out that these two groups Marlow Arlo in his wildcats. Hell spot in his Kabul. They're not the only ones looking for the gifted one we cut to a strip club in Georgetown called the hot spot. There's this dude there he's going to be a wildcat. We know is Because he's on the cover anyway he's called Griff Ter- and he's hanging out. He's he's the weapons guy you know. If you'RE GONNA follow that super team template you kind of need a weapons guy and the weapons guy you could even say Batman was the weapons guy. This is an unpowered fighter who uses guns and he uses them well so he's at the club and attention as quickly drawn to a dancer. Whose name is Voodoo? She's also get to be a member of the wildcats. She's the Babe Okay so we're going through the template. She's the baby. Because you always have to have a babe. Actually you have to have at least two Babes and one of them has to be a bad ass like Cilacap. You know not the sidewalk. The original cy lock but the sidewalk. We got in the nineties X.. Men when she turned into a Ninja and was like all hot and stuff. So Yeah Voodoo is the babe. She's not the bad ass. Babe the bad ass is GonNa come in later anyway. Some dude show up with the woman who griffiths spots as a CODA warrior and the dudes go after Voodoo when she looks at the two dudes she sees aliens instead dead and of course you know freaks out I mean I would the wildcats show up. Fighting happens but they don't win and tell Zell it shows up. She is the bad ass babe with swords she is also a CODA warrior. Whatever the heck that is one of the bad dudes who's this alien thing call the Damon Knight detonates? A bomb in the club explodes. which is what we saw earlier in the issue when that really unexciting scene with the two dudes like hey look an explosion explosion? That was this okay. We go back to the behemoth and health. Spot is watching all of this on a monitor. But he's not alone. Chilling on the behemoth with him. Is this boy bal. Bal is a mole and he has infiltrated the American government by impersonating then vice president. Dan Quayle whole boy. No get me wrong. I did actually rather enjoy this issue. The Art of course was gorgeous. That is you know. If if you're into Jim Lee if you aren't that I'm sure the issue is quite ugly but I frankly I actually really really liked it this story however who the story just seems It just seemed a bit overly complicated and yet very simplistic first of all the first issue introduces twenty or more characters actors. That that that just seems like a bit much but more than that we also need to be able to take hold of stuff like Aliens Damon. Knight's the Kabul will and the Coda Sisterhood. And that that just seems like a lot to me and yet I still rather enjoyed. It really enjoyed it quite a bit but I I feel like I remember the first time I read it. which was you know half of my life ago? I feel like I didn't quite understand what was going on other than just best. Cool people doing some cool looking things and hey that was wildcats from nineteen ninety two so I guess if I'm done talking about comics that means it's time for news and information you could have easily gotten for yourself with just a little effort news information you could have easily gotten for yourself with just just a little effort is brought to you. By clamps or Light Nita clamp and find that you've grown tired of the lines at your local hardware store now's how's the time the tri clamps for life but. Don't take our word for it. How do you folks? This is Abner Franks from asked. The Abner is right here on Stephen Orioles sales the single most influential podcast. Hey and all of human history. No I've lived a long and interesting life. I mean I've seen stuff that would make an amish man eat his own beard and in all of my years on this planet there is one single universal truth that I have found to be more true than all the others you can never have enough enough clamps whether you're land tongue and groove floorboards or a traumatically grasping lung tissue and thoracic surgery clamps have become an integral part of our lives lives and yet thanks to a retail system. That's still stuck in the dark ages trying to get the right client for the right job as akin to finding bigfoot wearing a jewel encrusted sombrero. Oh but thanks to clamp for left subscription service. You'll never find yourself without a clamp for just nine ninety nine a month clamps for life. We'll help you determine your own impersonal. Clamping needs and then ever thirty days will bring the very latest in clamping technology right to your door. Joined today and you'll receive a free miter air clamp with your first shipment trust me clamps in the future people. Don't be left in August for life. We got your clients from the makers of the post hole digger of the month club. News story number. One comes from the Huffington Post from June eleventh two thousand Nineteen Nineteen and the headline reads north. Carolina officials want citizens to be aware of Zombie. Snakes you've heard of the walking dead but North Carolina are warning locals about the crawling and dead. Ho Very Clever. Whoever wrote that the state's Department of Parks and Recreation Asian has posted a photo on its facebook page of a quote Unquote Zombie snake? A reptile known for defending itself by lying on. Its back doc. And pretending to be dead the eastern hog nosed also known as a puff adder is found as far south as Florida and Texas and as far north as Minnesota according to. ABC News although some have claimed the snake can shoot venom as far as twenty five feet experts. Tell the network that's completely false offs and there's little to fear although Zombie snake. Nickname sounds scary. Officials at North Carolina State Parks and recreation told CBS News the eastern Hog nosed is quote a mostly harmless snake. That rarely ever bites humans. End Quote it added. The snake puts on a quite dramatic display to deter predators including puffing up. Its head to look more like a cobra or pretending to be dead briefly nonetheless. They are not aggressive and rarely early bite. People Department spokeswoman Katie Hall was quick to defend the snakes to USA Today we love hog nosed snakes. She said they put on this. Really dramatic display play but as kind of adorable so basically. We got an article here about snakes. That sometimes pretend to be dead and with were they lead it off by calling them Zombie snakes not once in this article. Do we get any evidence of an actual Zombie Snake Click Click Bait. I think so new story number two also comes from the Huffington post and this is from June Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen the headline reads alligator hitter bites police car during anything but routine traffic. Stop you've heard the term take a bite out of crime will turn about was apparently fair. Play play for an alligator and Kabo parish. Louisiana Sheriff's deputies were called after the eight foot. GATOR was spotted in the middle of a local highway according to WBRC TV deputies called wildlife experts to remove the animal from the road but while they were waiting. The gator apparently gently got hungry or something that that. That's that's in the news article or something opposed on the sheriff's Office facebook page notes that the gator escaped quote but not before taking a bite out of our deputies patrol car. End Quote the pictures in the Post. Tell the whole story. That's what the article says has but then you have to go. I guess to Facebook to look at the pictures. Yeah I'm not on facebook. Huffington post reached out to the sheriff's Office to find out details of of the damage but calls were not immediately returned and the gator remained large. this is just an article that proves why I never wanna live in a place like Louisiana or Florida. Where freaking alligators you know? Dinosaurs just roam the earth biting waiting cars and eating dogs and all that and I just I don't want a part of it and hey that was the news so now it's time for the information. Listen and I learned something new every day for example. Did you know that rubber bands last longer when refrigerated it's true according to interesting while facts dot blogs dot com when something is at its most basic broken down state it tends to last longer than something at a higher more complex state. Take the common rubber bands. Stretch it out. And it's polymer chains become very ordered heard causing it to expel thermal energy which will shorten its life when the rubber band is in its relaxed state however it is very unordered and will cool when when going from a structured to a relax state take that further and tossed that puppy right in refrigerator and the polymers will become even more relaxed due due to the way they behave in that cold environment myself. I find that I sleep better when the room is a bit on the cold side. So yeah I can totally relate. Did you ever bought a bag of rubber bands. Put him up in the cabinet and then months later you go to use one at cracks and breaks. We'll know more friend from now on. Just stick that bag in the fridge bridge one thing to keep in mind however you want to make sure that when you want to use one take it out of the fridge and let it come to room temperature before you start that rubberband. The band fight stretching a rubberband watts still cool from the icy environs of your fridge will cause it to weaken due to the rapid change of states. And you don't WanNa pull that sucker back back and have it break before you can fired at your most hated enemy speaking of rubber bands. Here's some bonus info. The song rubberband man from the spinners released released in August of nineteen. Seventy six was written by Tom Bell and Linda creed and get this. They wrote about bell son to help him try to improve his his self image. The boy was being teased at school for being overweight. Because you know kids suck the song eventually evolved from being about the fat man to the rubberband for band man. And that's something I learned today and since learning can go hand in hand with nonsense at least in my book how about we cleanser pallets with thirty seconds of nonsense. Let's fish creep me out especially if the fish in question happens to be wearing a vest you've ever seen efficient invest. It's the stuff of nightmares. I understand it's an irrational fear and probably one I don't share with anybody else but it's they're all the same. I think it stems back to my childhood. My uncle Joe was a taxidermist and he specialized in fish well. His opus creation was a school of trout. Made Up to look like a motorcycle game on the day. He finished his masterpiece astor piece. I got locked in the shop and had to spend the night in close quarters with the whole gang. Thirty seconds of nonsense has been brought to you by the Arthur Thompson. School of taxidermy. taxidermy registered today. And you'll be stuffing animals by dinner and now it's time for ask. The abner is the part of the show in which abner francs and his father. Who's also named Abner answer questions from you though listener and now direct from the sales floor of the Franks and beans comic shop? I present to you the avenues. Thank you folks. Welcome back once again to ask DAB nurse. I'm Abner Franks with me as always says my I pau abner francs. How do you feel it? Okay today Paul Feeling okay. What kind of question is that? Why would not be feeling okay? Well Dan Palm just asking. I mean meantime your son Right I care about you and stuff. Oh my goodness when did you turn into one of them. TOUCHY-FEELY HIPPIE type. There's nothing wrong with caring about each other. Paul the only thing more wrong with that statement is you now. We got a question today or you want to start doing trust falls or something. Of course we do Paul. We wouldn't be here if we didn't have any questions. I so sure about that. Sun Heck I wouldn't put it past you to trick me into coming all the way down here just so you could tell me how much you care about me. Let it go Paul. You always worse. Says it of one. Remember that little stuff lizard. You had ED when you'RE A boy. It was a dinosaur Pau Toronto source rex. Whatever you took that Dang thing with you everywhere you talked to it slept with it? Heck I even saw your kiss it once. Why was six Paul and Lord knows? I didn't get any affection from you growing up. I had to get it somewhere here. We go. Is this sort of thing you tell your therapist. Hey got no therapist. AARP is Paul. Maybe you should let nothin' Let's get this show on the road. Fine well we got an email here from Harrieta garrison city and Pennsylvanian. Harry says dear atvs openers. I work in the Office for a company. That manufactures medical tubing. My job is to call hospitals and such to see if they need more tubing anyway. I have often observed an odd behavior for my coworkers see in Pennsylvania. We are no strangers to bad weather yet. Whenever it rains my coworkers coworkers all flocked to the windows to watch it come down like they've never seen such a thing before they even talk about it like it's this new thing quote look at the rain? It wasn't raining a minute ago and stuff like that. I find it confusing and I'm hoping you can tell me why they do this. Well Dang Harry no psychologist all. Just how should I know. Paul what do you think. Here's the thing boy. I consider myself a student of human behavior win. It sure you're stupid mouth. Nice Pa Real uh-huh Anyway. It's my opinion that in such a working environment in a change in the daily grind. Even something as mundane as a rainstorm can feel as exciting as a meteor shower. Are you kidding me a meteor shower you ever worked in an office boy Lee. No I haven't have back before you were born I worked for a company that sold clamps clamps clamps. Boy Am I not speaking clearly no I hear you. I just never thought somebody selling before. Sounds Kinda boring. Well yeah at at the point. I'm trying to make where can in most office. Environments has to be one of the most Dole jobs in the world yes. I'm sure some places are better than others. There's but what did this guy do. Medical Tubing Medical Tube in good Lord. I bet someone's air right now crying on the toilet okay. So what's your point my point. I want you dummy. Is that anything anything that might happen in a day. That is in any way out of the norm. Kent Excited Group of people like a Predator approaching a prairie dog town. Yeah but rain yes even rain look. I suppose I might be able to agree with you if we're talking about somewhere that didn't see a lot of rain like the desert or something but in Pennsylvania and look. It wasn't raining a minute ago. Seriously I mean. Of course it wasn't rain in a minute ago. You say the same thing when the turn on the TV ooh the TV zone. It was doesn't own a minute ago. Yeah Okay you're right. That was pretty stupid. What did you just say? I said it was stupid. No before that you're right I wanNA thank you all for listening to ask the atvs if you are you doing. I'm closing out the segment. But we didn't really answer. Here's question here. You can go spit for all I care. You agreed with me said I was right. I can't remember the last time that that happened. And frankly I want to get out of here as quickly as possible before struck by lightning or something good point boy revenue. If you have a question for me or my paw Senate to ask the atvs at Stephen or else dot com and if an eight stupid we might just use it on the show back there you you go folks the end of the show. I hope you enjoyed listening to it as much as I enjoyed making it. If you did send your questions and comments to feedback at Stephen Dot Com com and tell me what you think I also encourage you to subscribe to the show. Leave us a five star review and share this episode with the friend. Steven is proud member of the comics. 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Bill Abernathy: "It all starts with a story."

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Bill Abernathy: "It all starts with a story."

"This is Bill Abernathy on. You're listening to Lou Dini's rock and roll circus. Welcome back, folks. Lou Dini rock and roll circus today, we are going to be sitting down with Bill AB Bill Abernathy singer songwriter and just all around great musician. He's got a great story to tell. So stick around. You're listening to the Lou Dini rock and roll circus changing rock history one podcast at a time. Welcome back. Everybody Latini rock and roll circus. The website is Lou Dini rock and roll circus dot com. Check back off and because their art UN's of great podcasts up there. We are podcasting every day just for you giving you the bringing you the great news of I great guitar driven music and great guitar driven rock from our weekly Ledeen, hard, rock and metal circus party podcast that we do live on rock ridge radio. All the way through interviews. Like the one you're about to hear now and all sorts of things in between. I throw in a few guitar lessons for you. I mean, you never really know. What's going to happen there? We're talking about all the things that have to do with a great guitar driven rock, and you can find that all Lou Dini rock and roll circus dot com as I was announcing at the beginning. Bill Abernathy is here with us today and Bill is a singer songwriter who sort of took a little bit of a break from use it for like a lot of. How did we this is a very interesting time in music, those of you that have been following our interview series is this seems to be a recurring theme with a lot of artists is we got into it for some reason, we we got out of it or set it aside to go do other things, and we came back to it. And I just think that's just a testimony to the sort of complexity of human beings. You know, we aren't one dimensional. We aren't just this just that we're out there living life and doing a lot of different things. And so it's really refreshing to meet so many people doing this. So without further ado, Bill Abernathy, welcome to the Lou Dini, rock and roll circus. How are you? I'm doing great Lou. How are you? I'm doing great, man. So when I first of all just real quick where are you calling in from Kansas City, Missouri? Kansas City, Missouri. Okay. Awesome. So why don't we take a little bit of a step back here? And it's a little bit about the the beginnings. You were writing songs, and you know, in, you know, heavily interested in music at a young age. So let's talk about that. I like what kind of got you like into music, and you know, got you so passionate about it from the beginning. Honestly, Lou, I had a brother, so I'm I'm the baby of the family. Okay. I had a brother and his sister who were nine and eleven years older than I and they were both into different kinds of music. So my my sister was very much into church music, and she was very involved in church. My brother on the other hand was more into the the sixties folk type music, and so around the house, you know, there was always a lot of music going on my brother would hold these jam sessions with a bunch of his friends, and I would kind of sneak in and sit in the corner and kinda watch try to figure it out. So that was really where it all started for me was trying to figure out what those guys were doing with those guitars. And fortunately enough, they spend a little bit of time taught me a few little tricks. So and and so you did you start out like wanting to wanting to write songs where you primarily working on the guitar or what kind of what was. Is it for you and the beginning? Well, I think that the writings on came gonna naturally so as I was as I got a bit older and was studying Qatar. I always found that sure I could play the notes that they're out in front of me. But always found that it was a lot more fun to play around with them change the songs around a little bit in you know, that kind of evolved into we'll maybe out a write my own and then from there, and of course, you know, when you're young right? You writing songs about girls. That evolved into writing songs about girls when I was in school. So always wanted to do it always love to do it in a lot of fun for me. Now, you took a you you ended up kind of going on musical hiatus for a little bit. Once tell us a little bit about your life, and what you got into. And what brought you back. I played a lot in my use and Connor traveled all over up until I was about nineteen or so and then at a little bit of a physical problem had some vocal note issues and took a break and went and got a real job and the vocal note things really didn't heal up as quickly as I thought. And the next thing. I know, you know, I've got a family. I've got house I've got career I've got got all that going on. And then my kids as they got older they were very involved in sports. They're both ball players of all the way through college and my son played a little bit of pro baseball on. So if you've ever been involved in that world, you know, you do not have a lot of extra time. So so when they got done with their college careers end got out on their own. I kind of look back in the, you know, man, I've got notebooks of stuff that I've written down over all the years 'cause I always had a little music studio in my house, and I should probably see if. Can do something with that. So I got them all out in dusted him off and made the the first of the three albums that. We've now put together. You're. So you were still writing though, even though you didn't have a lot of time. It was still kind of like in the periphery of your life. Correct. Always liked to say early Saturday and Sunday mornings were my music time. So up was one of those people, particularly when I was younger that I get up at four or five o'clock in the morning, always have. And that was kinda my, you know, get into your three hours of music every day before reality came in get threatened to ball games. And you know, do all all the stuff that you had to do. So yeah, I continued to play in right throughout all those years. And though a lot of times I didn't really finish a lot of songs get they were there. And so when when I got back into it and started back into the studio, I weigh like, I said I dusted him off finished him up on. They are what I have out there today. So are you working with a producer? Are you self produced will how does it typically work for you? Well, I do work with a producer a gentleman in Kansas City. I've read his own labels called in the Graham music. He not only as a producer. He's a great friend. As well as an excellent excellent guitar player. So he, and I co produce Dobbins it's interesting because as you listed my stuff, you'll hear, you know, a variety of different sound, you know, it's kinda country rock and some of its folk and some of it's more rock, and they even now than there some blues thrown in. But the the max is really announced they ended guitar player in extremely versatile, but his thing much like a lot of the really really talented musicians in Kansas City jazz. So it gives me a completely different feel. He has ideas that I certainly would wouldn't come up with. So it's a it's a good combination in a good team while on I wanna come back and talk a little bit more about your songwriting here in a couple of minutes. But what I wanna do first before you get into that is I want. Jam out to cry wolf, which is on the front page of your website, Bill, Abernathy dot com. It's a, and it's did you have a lyric video to itself, we're gonna come back and talk about your song writing process, and that sort of stuff and catch up on the records and everything that you have out, but I want everybody to to check this out. This is cry wolf by Bill Abernathy, Lou Dini, rock and roll circus. Drugs. Got a separate from the facts. And the rain. And what do see? It elected officials in broken that. All the. In this American dream. The time. Turn the mix channel. File so. Spreading the gospel that Everett. One c. The road taxes. Breaking tracks. From the. Name. These. And we. Plugs. George said it right in nineteen eighty. Control the past. Complicit with alternate facts. Are you crying? Recognize a drives. On your bread. With the. From the. Deal with. Bill Abernathy crying wolf. That's what we used to call a finger pointing song Bill. Yeah. Yeah. I've been I've been as before right over the intent of the song is not necessarily the point fingers, but the kind of think. The some of the stuff that you're throwing out on social media. And you know, it's a bit of a shot at some of the politicians that I think are interesting in a little a little shot at the corporate religion, which I also find interesting, right? And then and then a little bit of poke at the end to those of us who tend to want to remove history because we don't like what it says. And you know, that that's how I get the line. So we can repeat it with complicit with alternate facts. So not that I'm trying to point fingers. I would just like for people to think about it. You know, are you the guy that's crying wolf, right? Sell. It starts with the lyrics for you, doesn't it? That's sorta kinda you've. You're sort of like a like kind of like kind of like that. I when I heard that I was reminded of you know, some of Bob Dylan's music, and some of Arlo Guthrie is music is that sort of kind of like where how kind of works for you with lyrics. I yes. So that take you very much compare me to Dylan Guthrie, I'm not in their world by any embodies threats imagination. Humble. It's the crying will sung is. That's unfortunately, have not had chanceless everything you've done. But I was very impressed with that. And the the way you put the sort of how can I how can I say like it has the totally get the message you're going for. But yet the lyrics are still kind of fun in a way they like they sound good the word. I wanted to sound good together doesn't sound forced. So in that respect that the way those guys could do the same thing. I feel that you're doing that. So don't be so hard yourself. It's good stuff ahead. I'm sorry. I think one of the keys to learn touted do something. Well is to study the folks that have been well gam-. There's no need to recreate the wheel when some of the great songwriters have already come up with the process they outright. So you can just learn from them. So but you asked about the I'm a storyteller effectively. That's what I do. I mean every song every song. I ride has a story behind it. And as you mentioned, I'll always right. The story. I at out of the story itself comes lyrics out of the lyrics. I'll look at it. Now go, well, you know, what am I trying to say here? What's the point at what John r- of music would really fit best to accentuate the lyric itself. So, you know, you'll as you listen to the cross will creek out. You're gonna hear stuff like cry wolf, which I consider to be a little bit rock and roll while you'll hit other stepped it's kinda country rock, you're good here. Some really delicate acoustic pretty stuff you're gonna hear some blues. You're gonna hear a song called white Knight that that has a bit of a screaming saxophone. Entertain. It's kinda got that whole rock thing. So it's it religious depends on for me the music is accentuated the lyric in. So I try to write in different styles and different genres to situate the story of the song. So what does the so you've just released a crossing, willow creek that came out at the end of twenty eighteen correct? Yeah. Okay. And so what does the next six to twelve months? Look like for you, would it would what's coming up where I have an interesting idea. One of the things that I get asked about all the time is if I could play because everyone of my albums always put a cover song or to always kind of doing tribute to as we discussed early to tribute to the people that really had an influence on me musically. And I get asked a lot, you know, whether it be, you know, over the internet or social media relied shows or whatever people will come up and say, hey, you know, you ought to play this song or you ought to play that song. And we're actually thinking about doing a a straight to video project that we're gonna call the acoustic session saw bring we'll do it old school. Not not the way we record today. But also out bring everybody in for a weekend will make five or six songs and video up and see what happens. I think the number one people have asked for. Secondly, I think it'd be fun. I would funding to do. So I think we're going to do that next. Okay. And so that's gonna be coming at you think that's going to be later this year or coming up pretty soon or we'll be doing that. I've actually started some of the some of the work down. So I've already been in the studio to record scratch tracks, and that kind of thing so I expect it will have some of these out early summer. So are you doing any live shows other than this? You know thing in the sort of live in the studio thing. Yeah. Yeah. I do it. I'm very particular about it, as you know, I still do my business career on the side. So that limits by time because I do travel bit. But what I try to do is since I don't really rely on using to make money, and I have a job and all that. So when we do play live, I try to make it for a reason and not just because it's cool to go play live. So most of most of the shows that we do our benefit shows, and I'm kinda big on on on helping underprivileged kids. So we've got a show coming up in July that is to benefit a really really quality organization against city. Of course, I've got a couple of of the music festival things that I'll go play at all that. But generally speaking, I don't play live, particularly in the mid west very much. Much. But when we do it's usually for some reason other than the fact that you know, we wanna go put on rock show. So all right. Why don't you? Go ahead and plug your internet presence, your websites and stuff. So that folks can keep up with when all this new stuff is coming out, and when you might be playing, some shows, etc. Okay. Great. So the primary social media based thing that I use Facebook. And it's just Bill Abernethy music on Facebook and keep posted up there. You can you can kinda drill through that as you know, it gets pretty busy, but you could drill through that. And see some of the things I also do quite a bit of dates on my website, which is Bill Abernathy dot com on there, you can go, and you can see, you know, all of the album's in each one has their own page, and you can see kind of what they're about in what the the ideas were behind them. And then there's a bunch of interviews in a bunch of album reviews that kind of thing on my website. And of course, the music is available at all all the major out it. So, you know, I tunes Amazon Spotify all those places. So now, he's like to tell people if you go Google new Bill Abernathy, if I'm not one of the first five hits, please let me know. So get you. So before we wrap up for today's or anything that you would like the world to know about Bill Abernathy or Bill Abernathy music before we get out of here today. Well, if I could flash back it out when we Anabel called find a way as I mentioned, I've got this business thing going as well as my music stuff in into me. It's all about finding a balance right being able to balance. What I love to do which is the music which in what I do for a living, which I also loved the do in my career. And it's all about finding a balance. I think that a lot of times that's what we tend to lose in life. So if if you if you love what you do, and you do what you love enjoy it. But maintain that balance. Make sure that you still got your family in perspective and make sure that she's still got the rest of your life in perspective and don't just re runoff go. Crazy. So I have a lot of friends that did that. Didn't work out very well for him. So you know, it's gonna those life lessons to maintain that balance? Excellent bill. Thank you so much for sharing your music and your story with us today. I'm going to wrap up the show. Can you hang out from it? I need to do a little bit of business with you afterward. You got a minute to hang out. Awesome. Folks that is Bill Abernathy and bills website is Bill Abernathy dot com. Check that there is lyric video links to all the stuff. Some other interviews. Plus all the music outlet places where you can go ahead and pick up his stuff. So check him out there at Bill Abernethy dot com, and he likes to party it up pretty hard. They're on Facebook. So Facebook dot com BAC slash Bill Abernathy music. So check him out there as well. You've been listening to Lou Dini rock and roll circus guys. It's I'm always loving me. In these artists put an eye great music, whether they take a break come back. 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55 - Premier League on NBC Group Chat Episode 6: Guess Who Game Show

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Guess For me knowing your your credible. Sbn Past Rebecca Lowe would-be. But I'm not GonNa go you. I'm going to go. Arlo white as you already has the hair for. Romeo than you think it is. I think it's been going on some Lee Dixon legal. Definitely Dixon Slough. I'M GONNA lead. Dixon sent grandma. So who is GonNa go fully as well because he mentioned the fact that somebody old and I'm therefore he would be really honest. Ach Chit chatting up a little bit as well in the past. We shouldn't be talking about that on on our NBC product so relieved that learn. But I'M GONNA go Lee Dixon as well go undergo although I just think. All of longtime ago is up for anything girl perfect. I'm going to go. I think I think grandma's GonNa be like old kind of. Oh I mean you just think processing fee is grant so will the real Shirley Temple. You signed up having that was when I started to site that second was I lose a seven years of age and the Ornate or the young boys one eight three people enter the competition. Who came second. Was there actually a little girl in the competition? Through three cents. It came sack. You I'm GonNa Butland's off. My vacation listed John. Young out and John Colonel. Tell you how disappointed I was. I was absolutely. We didn't go again way of looking at it the other way of looking as you only finished one place off last. Thanks for that Graham. Not just how on once invited to a NASA rocket launch by one of the astronauts who is a Manchester City ban. Kyle using that as a wall in the studio. There's one person who swears he could have had. Many different careers could have been a professional pianist. He could have been a scientist. He could be a draft artist really anything that he wanted to be and I do think one point. Peace throughout astronaut off is. Okay do you think it it's late. I'm randomly thinking no this story but these only bit confused. I I'm going. I know I know Graham that something to do with Something out very nice but I'm going to go for all our I think. The man say connect comes shortly. Mentioned it to me about man. City Rocket Connection Nassar. That's all I've got. So I'm glad for Allah. It was a guerra's run flows referring to thank you know for a fact that both Lee Graham have lesser connections and they both been some sort of rocket civility in California. Now you're not going to read out to believe straight away off the bat S- powers of the news it's is the well-connected Grind sub that shadow sea cadets. I agree I just think Graham smart guy interested in in random stuff. Up His strewn concern is that is his truck. All Day is one of my favorite things so fall. Plan you is is who is that. Well it's not the reveal now seem to think I seem to think it would be from one of his many trips to the states. I think it's been a couple Into make presume it with someone who lived in the US. I think one of his many trip to the United States of America Mr Oliver Wight befriended somebody. It would have done something like Oh do you recognize me just happened to look at you as not recognize me as the lead. Commonplace for NBC. Yes Oh actually I do. Now that you've spoken I do and then they go into a conversation became good friends over a light lunch. You want. I mean isn't that this is a fly in my rocket. Now the reason I seem to remember this is that feeling in my mention date and then tried to get hold of said astronaut and tried to get him on the malls mission. Because that's one way now I'm between unload wind and Graham so robby muster would love to be involved in China minimum but just bra next. We're talking about nine signed down. There feels a bit more. Graham Lasota me on NASA not heard the grandma sort of joke yet run. It's so again. 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Didn't want to say he hated me a ticket and made me let saw you. Fuss actional expert Guas so I think it's a London based player you more life. It's to have to. The police monitor the same call who support different teams can say a little smirk on the bills face here just wondering if he was maybe south south of the river. Only SUEDE SUIT SAYS MAY BE. It could be a policy Finding police comic could be great with Chelsea. Could have been either those three but I'm going to flow for Robey this he's GonNa Focus on. It's not Robbie Earle slows. The slowest driver must never late. Russian is never like is a very careful slow steady driver copy. Rubio will agree. It's gotta be a London thing. I mean warm with Kyle in the US. I mean La. Nah I just think London I'm GonNa who's GonNa Speed Allah Leo Graham but I think Graham's a speed I think it's the Dixon liberal light not professional not wanting to be on time exact opposite I took this was a lesson learned. Graham well. Lee says he's never laid and historically always been quite tough on people all right but it was only lost weight that he was late for up. Osdene cool if you remember so. I think it's a bit of a facade to think that he actually is a good time Also the only thing that contradicts release is the fact. They didn't like to spend too much money. So you're probably be driving the fifty six miles an hour to get maximum efficiency out of his car. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go earlier. What just thinking. He just got cool bit light put his foot down. Didn't think that would notice in south London but there is a police car just waiting on a blind corner to pull over and as all says I think it's probably a palace fan that golden ticket right. I think it is. I think it was less. I think he Outta joke that he wanted to tell you that that he would need a half an hour before everyone sorta get another routine So he had to hurry up and get over to the facility so he could begin the half an hour long joke that he was a guy finding my right. Dick You with a issue I would on a bit stumped on this I would definitely not go all out anyway. Because he'd been play but also he's driving Miss Daisy allying ropy stump. Nobody cares where he played. Middlesbrough these speeding and not so nice. Nice nice his age he would. You'd expect not to be in. Which is why I'm going. I'm going offer suffered with a yeah interesting that I think we must wait as the royal drive with must not any get rubio discount. Staticky EPA Ebadi salsas beating. I'm going to go with Lee execunet also placement. Dabo one side staying late by one of the policemen. Helping me Have you ever been suffering? No no speaking out is amazing back lowly. Is You very well? Know often make John Com deal with jogging dates and I ended up blaming drive. Everywhere we've got so badly you go later winnable. And that was about some about exactly what he said. It was stopped structured services on the M one late. Which is. I'm never liked what Graham says. I'm waiting for. Hotels is always liked by minute to minute. Three minutes anywhere else Off first policeman go out with and just looked at many went away. We Gallup it fully then deal the guy go out and he went on a ticket or niece's on the game off in analysis and give thanks. Looks like it's going to book me at nights or and he was a senior officer and if I let him off everybody off. Any booked me kept me for twenty minutes on then. I got fine by George. Graham forbade light as well so I had a local army. Fine hold onto the next jobs. This is being written like this. Has a metal plate embedding in his her head. Head head has a metal plate in his head Kyle. We'll be most of the one in you. I feel like one of the reasons that none of earls technology ever works his is is because this is what earls arts world's got a big massive plate somewhere in that incredible logging vists. Oh grandma so who's got now playing the head. Yeah I mean it was talking it. Maybe I'll just play in my head and then I'm Aachen on the rest of them. So Yeah Rubio. That's a great shot. I I also unsigning a Wimbledon contract. You got a metal. I whatever you're wanting to seventy decided to play these that I'm not one of the few Rebekah Donna. Why you got metal plate that person with the mouth plight in the hand is going to be somebody who is going to be slightly challenged in that cool in the way they converse hostile Mr for the body stated he think well we have a friend whose names Tino and he's the most accident-prone Mine and sunk as a kid fell off of see saw falafel lateral. Some through climbing frame is commenting not in yet. I'm saying Kyle. Okay 'cause the show I think I think if if the metal plates in his head has recently turned example which is interesting. Beck's I think you'll have amid visit so say Jean Shoe to see whether this city might buy one get a palace fan. You will silverware so maybe not close you get that is. I'm GONNA give Kyle. We would tell you about my now owned landed on a very quick side story about Kyle. I'm I'm GonNa Romeo's bicycle SPEC REALLY. I would never tell you stuff like that as you find out like. After knowing so I'M GONNA go Rubio by who has got a mental in that noggin. Now kind of how calm challenged with Richard Order. Big Me at of a center off at Sundown. Ball's bouncing I'm running in from one side. He's coming in from the other side. I reach forward ahead the ball. He comes in and smashes the side of my face. Here got a depressed fracture of the cheekbone cracks. Eye-socket yet mangled on the only used to like David Beckham. We must have a part of the repairs because my cheek bone was depressed fracture. Wouldn't come got this titanium plate here to hold the side of my face together boom by life. By the way I played on the game. Did it full half time? I looked in the mirror. I is swollen boxes a look weird and I say to the doc the DOC says to me you can just feel right. Couldn't you see he said I said well? Yeah just about and said Oh on you go so when I went back out there and played and we beat some of them one nil then full the next game the result extra came through and he said no no no he must have come play off. Pulled out right the last minute before in part because we had another knock on. Then you're I would not be in good shape so question. I stopped sneaky. Rats amazing mostly just before the next line. Youtube tobacco being axum protein. It's time to share with you. As an honest about the call spends the world to be quite honest. We're all still sagging causing school okay. So it's raining. We finish the show both in the hotel and we'll go for dinner restaurant over a busy intersection again. Raining is kind of like not dot. But it's starting to get a little bit Doc The I see. The light is flashing Green. We can go so we stopped running. Nossa very busy. Intersection is one of them. Were in America. You can turn left and right sometimes when you don't expect them to from from the UK perspective so we run an as as we run. I look out side of my eye and I see a cost swing around causing very limited vision. What needs player. Iraq didn't see the cop so I pulled up really quickly. Cow Continues to run. The COP comes around. I mean it's raining storm toll he BECA- hits. Kyle Kyle rolls onto the front of the Car Bonnet flips around and land on his feet on the other side of the road on the curbside. The driver stops all my God and surprisingly he was okay. He was absolutely fine but he did like a little three sixty low turn London on his feet brush himself all we got into the Russia and we had a bit of a go with a guy was driving. The car and go is Lee Dixon. We run to the rush on and we'd laugh how we laughed for like two minutes fought. We just start off about what happened so on it is the caught onto it stayed on his feet and it wasn't smashed up what you might not see the field. That can ride a challenge. Boy and I remember I remember. Must've went up outstanding. They're just making sure everything was still there and must have went up to the car and knocked on the window the window and then they and then they took off and we didn't speak. We just walked across the street and we sat down and then we we looked at each other and just started laughing and couldn't stop laughing and know that's just one of a number of stories. The next morning on the Sunday morning. They both came in the makeup room and Rowen Combo run by COM walk by statements about Kyle. It's just like all right. Did he is just the way things away taking off. Okay onto the next one. I want to a week. Long sailing calls at age of nine and was so bad that at the end of the week when everyone went to get certificates I was handed a snickers ball. Who HAPPENS TO SALAD? So Lisa was good years old. Little Jersey surrounded by water shed dramatically middle-class tendencies begun Think is great. I think this is a bit of a coastal economy growing in Connecticut. There's a little bit of ruled today a few lakes around or apps it's trial But I'm actually backs for the second straight answer but against you catching backs. They're on the boots and Updates isn't it the same until you snickers by the molding Well certainly there was no legs boats. I'll tell you in my state so you can definitely me out agree with all this is. Graham was so about going. Say In isn't it? You can save a little the big rose. Ao On is a nine these WANNA be saying. We must oh so qualified in this game. I think I'M GONNA go. Gils grams okay. Dick Anything to this old along jealous not even a question but even Salem novel fail when he was a kidney failure again so to speak of say absolutely one thousand percent. Yes he thinks this. I'M GONNA have to defend myself Well I think it could be kyle. I think he would have been exposed to to the local yacht clubs as a young boy to to to go in. You know me and me and socialize with people. Climb up the social ladder but not more than you backs. I think I think it's you. I think I think you'll parents thought genera walk. This is good enough to get her on the sideline course Get into local yacht club and her life will be made so I recognize you and our record angry getting a certificate you've probably launch the snickers bar at someone. She wouldn't she wouldn't do that. She's sweet tooth she'd lived. I'm that's why she deliberately lost competition to get the snickers bar. I miss a week. Where we're in the studio lightfoot millions of hours every week. I think I remember Pakistan something about sailing. I'm so I'm going backwards. Well I've never been a more confidence since we started this game that this is. This person is a million percent. Rebecca low sweet to thing is a real problem. They had nothing for that place but they knew because she has such sweet tooth problem. She's GonNa cry if we don't get her sweet and and so it was like aren't my purse. It's like half melted but give it to her. Anyway she can't steer anything she rashy crashed in NBC rental car and didn't even realize it and they found out like weeks later. They said the crash an embassy rental car and I think it was like a camera for backing into another parts of the arable driver. Sarel massive exaggeration. I JUST BURY SAKE. Grazie very there was something on the hanging anyway. Okay so the person who was so say they got sick as stand up. I was made it was made. It was made Yeah I went to say course was nine because my friends was doing in. Hof Tub critically middle-class and off the Calls after three days. I cried a home that I hate to break out controls what by the boom thing openings and my dad said you do not get off. I really need to give up you docking you finishing this course so I finished the calls that I just mailed in and also you. Date Carbide going out in the woods and called the final day all the parents that were all packed into this room and it was like it was the topical Very stable and I was thinking how eating I've even done. Anything of rounders dressing a wet suit. I didn't drink hot chocolate. Three two and they said at the beginning just before we get to this because we just want him around rolls to one of our classmates Rebecca and I was like something extra special say and I didn't even like stickers on my mouth and say I still I still write my dad about it now. I still feel quite her a failure of. That's on my resume off tonight. I was absolutely devastated. Nets guys up. All the way to quick tally a winning keeping score. But we do have a school mass agenda and I can tell you that Greenwich with all correct guesses stone. Mom is meadow in the lead. A Royal Goetz's Shirley temple myself auto also Old with two correct guesses. Okay onto the next one. This is the most accidents. Kill the goose with a pool so the gophers amongst would be must dixon. I'm more Chino Dixon's too good. Must follow doesn't hit hard enough. Yeah nine came on multi now disaster written all over and then somehow he would miss bbb station in some lives somehow I see whether or not on offering you rights to pick the Gulf. His out grand plays a little bit. But I've played it in these no way. Could I guess even trying upload doesn't Play Golf musty study I'm leaning towards Kyle because he's wild not only only when the weather ball goes but he's swaying looks like an octopus in Johncock Tepa swinging many Ouseley competitive swing? Looks like so I'm so mile I think I think Rubio's hills Ryan I think Kinda Mancino would've killed. What did he kill it because Kill Count Guilt? Definitely Kyle Gray gloomy. Thinks the goose killer did it specifically say with the Gospel once accidentally killed goose? With a goal full. I can say playing golf. Yeah no no. I just wondered whether the Gulf buggy because then you back in the frame because you've probably light because you're you know for some reason you're never like the Yeah I think I'm GONNA go SIPE. I think I'm going to kyle as well because I think. Liza fantastic growth proposal to something. So if he was a goose it with a being on purpose and he also is very You know you buy crowd on a more rights activists so he wouldn't even in a killer in order to bed. A second job I think roby has sort of maple book in front of him to move geese obstacle doubt the way before he takes his shop and therefore I'm going to go kyle while he was probably on some cool she shouldn't obtain on Having around and unfortunately for the goose it was wrong place at the wrong time on. I well of the Goldfish. I mean the three mentioned I think that day must do was practicing Clayton. We'll see I think Dixon diplomat ascertained whether it was in the in the Russell in the middle of the fairway bill regions fifty odds right. It could quite feasibly in. Dekalb with Wannabes wannabes drawn equally kyle. I've never played gogarty calling a dixon so suggesting two rats off the road so he could easily have been year. I'm thinking I saw it. Goes I think that probably is? Someone is tennis players unless it gives London. Seneca Wimbledon worries of members. Would you like to talk about? I think Bobby early days maybe cranky guy makes it goes day testimony something like that. It's a bad season absolutely smash swamp down the middle of the fairway Gokul late as well. Steve Checking on social. Goose outs say it's a shell oil. Because I know I know he wants to get Betcha wants to play a little bit but I think it is going to be 'cause while play within many times on the golf course. Goose water often puts his born in lakes and rivers and stuff and I play golf with him. Cocky keep it strike often. It's low shot is one of the last moment all Martina who is that I think I like the shot of the Non Golfer but I actually think it's must've because I questioned the accidental. I think must convince ourselves. Something's an accident. He's got a bit of red missed about him Studio one day kick the bottle on the side of face. Any literally almost killed me and his his harm idle tendencies and I think he blacks out could shoot plane with. She's planning to slower just hammers a ball and it catches a goose. I you because you kick water bottles in the studio people's heads and the fact and the fact that you get run over amount of the yuan just post on your prone to everyone every animal that's near you omitting. I have a recollection. Benching agoos actor is on your hands. So who on this podcast guilders? Not Crying tells us that it's hard to talk about this. I was playing one day. I'm not very good What every now and then I can absolutely hammer a ball. What you never know what is going to come. Couldn't hit it off the ground all day long. Maybe had a one maybe two drinks. I don't know I was just trying to find my swing. Couldn't find it then. All of a sudden out of the blue absolutely hammer a three wood the best. I could possibly hit it. Beautiful High may be draw and this this Goose comes right past the fairway right at that moment about thirty yards high. And it hits this goose right in the torso goose There's an evacuation event in the air. I'm that happens and who's just kind of like you can't see my hand as you're listening to this podcast but essentially trying to find an emergency landing lands in a lake in a way. That doesn't look promising and we watch it for a second at an. We're all speechless. And then it kind of just like a boat that wasn't made properly just kind of float onto its side. No one says anything. I left the course and drove home and incredibly bad about it that too. I think for crimes so far right to more. What was it doing there mornings? I'M BUSINESS? We have line okay on. Karoi to London had a cab driver that suffer so cop driver in the backseat Drinkin- obstacle he supplied but he needed heart surgery. While just as you tell the story like he was the most caring person on this on our screen here loves everybody. Is Unsure. He's the man. Get them in the bunks. A saves his life those allege is going to be Rubio Great. Xiao great great shout came to his. That's an excellent shouts for not only that reason but also Would be the type of person to tell you the amazing story like that but the amount that are low as agreeing with everyone is never seen someone in such agreement of something. I've even heard out of someone's mouth yet so leave for that reason. I'm switching to Arlo White. Do you think could let a cab driver all the time in the back seat drive hall. I'd like to say all of us But aerobic roby seems like a Good Samaritan. I mean we just heard all I wanted to kill animals so it might be just stolen the cab if it was him At least a lot of time in London I'M GONNA go. I'm GONNA go lay Dixon. I think he's about him. I think he's the person that would well only if he was if it was them fan. Probably NOT ANYTHING THEM FAN. He would have definitely done the right thing. And psyching himself Ana Visa it was well. We had an incident recently on a on a recent visit. You guys West. Something similar happened than somebody else of them. Be Seen not to drive concert London. There is a precedent. Airings rewards Rubio. Yes I think everybody is cool. Would do the same thing if they have to think. Ill is driving towards London. He's getting a cab. Maybe from from the pulse resulted from He's been on to say mom and Dad Nights out somewhere. And you definitely don't hear about those Romeo will goes on is out stays on the nights out a think. He probably got the taxi driver there. He's had open heart surgery and then come around and there's ropy into the guys had it explained a listen my thanks very much but just won't say. Could you not driven a little bit quicker? Oh again right. L. Suck city thinking as On location base I'm between we Dixon groundless. Von Not really now. Rebecca long for some reason like it could be a has saved a life before. We'll tell that story real quick after this year between the becky low in late day understandably Dixon nothing on this one backs a just saying he's GonNa carry inside to seen it once or twice every time you kick me. Put me on the head as he went off. Dick you guzzle. I'm I was leaning towards Rubio for all the reasons that set. But then Joe started calling my so grandma. So down the Fawzi minnows thinking bloke heart was Graham telling him a story then he would go out and look literally got out drive the case. Ah Jones must carry supplement. It'd be meaning going out these wastes it doesn't get to Guilford till twelve o'clock. It's not meant so I'm GonNa go and I'm also going out because like busty. Said he knows it called the accident person who you would never know would do something like that would never tell me so. I'm just like listing him. Liking weight of fat up just been an ACCI- and just dry finish off mobile. Probably had something really important to do that. They I not just fell by the wayside because he saved his job. Okay I could see the family turning around to thank him. And he's gone superhero in the night. Okay then was in a cab driver. The backseat hot sausage. Though who is that that'd be me. Disappointing Abe is disappointed. Because he's awfully dixon severe. I'd like my car at Chelsea at Stamford Bridge Gone up into London for meeting. Got A cab back to Stamford Bridge and This lovely cabdriver drag me back and we just got to the top of Fulham road. Stop to the set of traffic lights. Started to pull away from the traffic lights and all of a sudden the call cruel veered to the left. Hit the cub. It's been and then came to a standstill and as it was happening. I said you you A K. As sky looking like he was checking his mobile phone down in sort of the center of his Cau- On many Abel's just hunched over and the the doors on the London Capstein open until some puts foot on the brake so I couldn't get out the cab initially and then eventually should've came out a little bit. Must be a minute. I got out got into the side of the road head between his legs. Not said he said to me what happened and I said but I was hoping you could tell me on. I said I think I think you've got a heart attack a friend WHO's Pediatric specialists the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital just down from Stanford Bridge and I said he said all dried high mantra on call. You drive home because if this happened again you could kill yourself. You could kill other people. So I'm telling you gotta get back to the cavs. Put Him in the back of the cab by my friend would meet waiting a took him in Obviously the last thing I did before I left was Mike Jordan has either kept. There's no way to find a cab fare when he hasn't had the full service drive. You didn't run the capital of night just to get a little scratchy but this vision of Dr Driving. Down the full of road. All the Chelsea fans advice I just have this vision of these extensions Chelsea fans looking at me. Guy Paulson. Is that graduates cabdriver now I went back a week later. Hood and the thing and When often he was on the ward's his wife was with him and before. I didn't say hello to her. She spotted me coming in and coming running big Haagen. He basically said you help me because I wouldn't have had the surgery aided if you have time because the hospital destroy approaching and that's it. That's real quick. Rebecca has also save. Someone's life it's it's a similar story. She would be a A museum or something and someone someone fell over and was either having heart attacks. Something very serious and and someone said you know. Someone's got to. Disengage doctor something in. Beck's on called nine one one. That's it was like. Listen I saved this person's like I like I like the accent thing number one which is very scary. I recommend things about the gentlemen. What was someone else doing while you were doing that? With with the person so whatever we then with him I was just like savings. Okay here we got to go. Get your own. Abe's everybody Odyssey across times three by now so we've lost one which is I am the best footballer on the PODCASTS. Ooh Is on holiday cow. These certain ex professional footballers for me so I'm between Hawaii and Mbeki low. Marie sense is. I'm Steve Woods. Our Friends Pool Celeste city. Still some Larry. Long nothing was incidental. Twitchell's loads I had the choice to be a common site. Jewel football underwent coming saints. You may ask go-to lot leave. Probably most of thousand percents. I would never say that mental. All those words canabis mouth and he wrote the modern email Dicko stickers. Set me on every single story by the line wow I can't imagine it being an actual footballer that So I I think it's going to be yet. You pointing insane director screens. Three people a blank screen to it. Rebecca think it is going on what you said. Yep minds the connection terrible by again on a a grim Graham WIFI modem presented to him after Blackburn will the title at Nineteen Ninety Five. That's what these issues this. It's afloat because just to clarify those comments. I didn't I did. Betray is having a choice between two He said that wanted to be a real custom molded. Awful and yells never ever gets is the time to think that most would say talking law saying you did say it but it's hard to get you might serve whether it's the dissident probably believes I wouldn't Twice in Rhode is not been the answer to a question but he's to hold on to say just to humble to say something on up or is it. Oh God kyle when we if we break this down. Gola that means not one not another place around kicking people like most of the lots of cool a little skill panache Personality on the bull so quite humble but it could be also because of copy Graham. I'm sorry I'm changing my mind dollars made far too much of this. I'm going for all on must be well football. I think they're I think the mice during the top the top the bottom corner. They're comma Tino Graham so both themselves brilliant football I know they give kyle scaled his tricks and all I know is confidence in his ability. Grandma's so I think he knows he was decent going forward. Maybe a bit. You know all these assists that he talks about Blackburn Rovers. Somebody's found target. You helped up. One of those. Two guys is one of those guys. E could've said obviously never going to bury Leo meal though that's debatable whether they were the facts and stuff. But I'M GONNA say Kyle Martino came to is that well listen grandma clearly. The most skillful players In in the group that we would never we would never boast about that we just we let our bravado in our flair and our ability on the ball just be for itself. There's only one of us has cricket Jersey hanging behind us and that that person was was was a very good football very dependable would would take the out of people. Couldn't anyone know what I think? Y- gives them handicapped himself because he's colorblind. He wouldn't even know who his teammates were. Who was the fact that he could connect the pastoring rational career not knowing who was on his team or not? Maybe he does believe that. He's the best footballer in the groups around Mazda. I'm as well the mandate tells US MAZING. Eyebrows is the best of mass. As an amazing weightlifter. Mesa are angry one of those things about incredible incredible is on the Gold Coast. Oh you're on screen exactly. I am very very quick riot way not in my day which lasted about two months at a boarding school America Bongo with my hands and that is an interesting things you didn't know about a for merely be saying how have no way of proving that last answer no evidence disprove it and Q. So bad from soap opera mustard anymore. I'm on your list for the Dow ago so many more. You guys did that. While watching people's houses uncomfortable bottles red winner of the interesting facts about the print on NBC eighteen. Grandma oh five rectums off. Even we had one of Rubio North full rights. I've got three three months ago. 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Passion Business Podcast  Episode 16: Alara Vural  Purpose Coach

Passion Business Podcast

30:08 min | 1 year ago

Passion Business Podcast Episode 16: Alara Vural Purpose Coach

"Welcome to the passion business podcasts the podcast for free experience with a big idea who want to turn that passion into business. I'm hamad and i'm your host as always enjoyed it so so don't forget to subscribe and if you leave your nigerians. I really appreciate that my guest. Today is a lara raw. Who's a purpose coach who helps business owners align the business with their white because she believes that megan an authentic meaningful impact in the the world is the path to creating deep fulfillment. She's a passionate and powerful young woman who has a fascinating story. Enjoy hello and welcome laura. I'm excited to have you on. How're you doing very well indeed so so why don't we just straighten. Let us know from where you based and so you. What do you do yet so i was at ashley born in turkey so i'm half english turkish but i spent most of my childhood there and but now i'm based in the u._k. So i spent quite a lot of my adult life in the u._k. So this is my home now and yes. I'm a life purpose coach for business owners to helping them align than that business with purpose purpose. That's interesting. It's it's interesting because i don't know whether someone can hear see that from your voice but actually i and so i realized purpose. I always imagine somebody a lot older. How yet how did you get to do this work. Yes i'm actually twenty three and i guess i am quite young for a for someone that would kind of claim to be helping you find your life purpose but but for some it's been a huge driving factor like most of my life to kind of be in alignment with my authentic self so hardcore a an interesting testing childhood so i had to grow up quite quickly so kind of coming back to the like the theme of authenticity the theme of what is my purpose just kept on coming up so much that she decided to focus on it and once i found out what that was for me it was such an amazing journey that that i kind of really felt compelled integrate that in into the work i do and help other people do the same as well and i've really seen the the power of you've the impact that it has helping people aligned with their purpose and the impact it has on their fulfilment the impact it has on how thick the quality of how the quality of of life goal so the quality of their work well how much they enjoy the rear and it's always been something that you know one of my core values to enjoy what you do if we're gonna be working for most of our lousy might as well enjoy it and not only enjoy it all say actually make an impact and make a difference because that's really when when you when you start feeling incredibly fulfil so for me all of those things so important that i that i've kind of decided not to waste any anytime i i do think is it a myth that you kind of have to have loads of life experience to be able to help people find their purpose in fact sometimes. I think it can be the bias but i do think that sometimes it's me being young means that i haven't haven't got these leafs that that i have from my own experience of projected onto others. I'm actually deal it at find easy to hold spaceship uh-huh variety different people. I work with people of different religions people with different cultures. I really feel that. I could hold that space for them. Without kind of feeling that the limiting beliefs gonna hold me back court trying to make them believe wh movement whatever not saying that all the people that help people find a purpose judas that is all but i do think it's an advantage in that sense. I'm fascinated. I'm gonna listen to you nothing god. I wish i'd been so mature at twenty and i i agree with what you're saying about the age bias. Will you come across. You know who who are you. Mike kiddo my grandkids and i don't no like i've always done stuff at ages when it wasn't common yup though and i'm very much on the same wavelength with you as in a sense that it doesn't matter you know that law mature at at fifteen and people like immature you know also helps at i think five an doesn't and you don't have to have i like reminds me of the sports coach had yet coach of hoti wasn't actually good at this ford i. I don't think you have to have gone through and you bring attorney different perspective and most took the time. It's media given a different perspective to people. I mean i think at this age of the world in more than ever best pushing the boundaries in so many ways i mean this fourteen year old kids that are running their own businesses making millions. I just saw on the news. The thirteen year old kid selling a multi million dollar business so i think this idea of with age comes maturity and wisdom a there is definitely some truth to it from the traditional sense but i think it really has been a societal belief that it's not possible to achieve things until you're a certain age and and almost this ingrained at this age he gives you need this as you do. Your job and you know between you in in your twenties is the time when you don't know what you're doing you life in your thirties. You get good at doing in your forties. You start doing what you're doing. Hey i had that much time to waste not gonna love now so i i respect the fact that with time of you know like cheese wine stuff mature and and there is there is some value that comes to that but i think <hes> there's the general sense in society today that is more limiting than empowering when it comes to age and and kind of how how much you can push the boundary is oh i agree and i think it comes it comes down to having liberal awareness yep up and being prepared to challenge assumptions dep at twelve. You can do that nineteen at nine hundred. I don't know i've met people people at twenty who were like oh you know butt of a kid nine. It's too late for me to start learning english a yeah. How old are you like twenty one and what you know and then there's other people who at ninety start getting into running and or open a yoga school you know. Have you heard of that great yeah eight hundred five yeah i agree with you so patmos parents is actually that they're like sixty and they're running the doing the iron man one of the his mom actually went to kono which is kind of like the world championships and competed there and you have to be kind of like the top in the top whatever to be able to be he qualified to go there and actually that's kind of what i'm what i'm really tackling with with my business as well because the the foundations that <hes> <hes> you know our education system everything is built upon is based on the fact is is a knowledge-based foundation so you know you we will. I'll give you the knowledge to do whatever you wanted to. If you want to be a doctor we'll give you the knowledge for that if you want to do this will give you the knowledge that but there's actually very little support from a young age of helping <hes> you know helping kids teenagers or whoever figures really figure out for themselves. What do i want to do. That's very little support when it comes to that but learns of support when it comes to due giving you knowledge we'll give you lots of knowledge but not so much self discovery and that's really kind of one of the things i'm trying to question with. What i'm doing is can we start. Living lives in line aligned with the puppies. It can be interpreted very different ways but in line with our true selves you know let can we start living lies in lawn without true seltzer earlier on or do we really have to go through the whole. I'm really lost. I'm really lost doing a job. I hate do this and then i find out you know doing really have to go through that whole process of hot almost hitting rock bottom before we start building our life in the way that we want it and hitting rock bottom is very good motivation to start building life from web of you know the way you want. What does that do. We always have to get there before you know before we start living a real purpose of lives and imagine if everyone was living lives that were in line with true sounds like what the impact someone would be able to make in a lifetime how much that would increase massively because now that now they have like an extra thirty years to to of energy may division and focus to be able to make make impact come about. I absolutely love that. 'cause what comes through is that instead of trying to avoid what's been dumped onto us is is living more from a place of inspiration yet and not waiting and i was gonna ask you you said before like you you kinda knew pretty early on. It's something that you know. It's like hans out. Sometimes sometimes someone will there'll be a five year old kid and they held a wannabe ballet dancer. I know you know they want to be musician but most people like have no idea you know and yet you kinda strike the as one of those who kind of we have pretty early on like you so clear on on on a purpose what that mission is. Would you feel inspired to do. That's what have you on the <unk> love and because that passion comes through and and and and so you you union like really early on and have the courage to to pretty much ignore everybody who tells you something different and actually go through it. How do you help somebody who comes to you and goes like oh. You know i wish i want. I want to kind of find my purpose but i don't know. I don't know what i'm good. I really don't know what i'm gonna do. How do you find that yet. I mean there's too too far. The answer that i i'm really glad it comes across as i always knew what i wanted to do but i actually i had no idea i was one of those people that loved everything everything i was a great science person great maths person but i love dancing as well and i was like what would we do and you know so i was actually i you know i would say i discovered my the purpose when i was about twenty <hes> so it's been about. It's a biscuit a three year journey of following that up until then it was a journey of kind of experiencing what it's like living and growing up and being educated in society you meant to and kind of following the norms sir. I'm glad it comes across like that but you know which i'm sure john in a minute but when someone comes to me and says i have no idea idea i'm really feeling lost and i you know i i want to take control of my life but i do not know what direction to go in and a lot of the time these these people already you know a lot of the people that these people already have a business works well all that they already have a job. That's quite good. You know that kind of already ticks the boxes of what supposed to do but then i'll feeling that actually the what was promised amazing this was going to be actually. It doesn't feel right for me so when the the first thing i helped them do this full steps to help them with the first thing is self healing coolant which is basically understanding the limiting beliefs leaf. They have that a holding them back. A lot of people have limiting beliefs around. I could never be happy like you know. Happiness is just kind of a <hes> a fairytale thing or can i really they make money from doing what i what i love or semi depending on people's post. It can be so many things. There's lots limiting beliefs around money limiting beliefs around self esteem. Do i deserve to be a happy. You know self worth if i was happy. Would i stay you know what would i actually be with my partner so there's so many <hes> mental blocks mental and emotional blocks that we harbor that we've kind of picked up thinking patterns that we've picked up from alive up until now and withhold held ouled onto them so we operating on old computer program so the first step i helped him do the update not computer program and get rid of the the kind of the the beliefs that aren't serving them anymore <hes> and the second thing is a find your y. Process we will have a y arrive. We do anything and this. You know. Some people nicolas pappas. This is why i say purposes so general in everyone can interpret it in different way but when i say pup actually need why and what i mean by that is all why is a set of cool values and beliefs that we've <hes> that we could have picked up and that we equity decision that we make every action that we do is based upon them so actually actually baio mid teen. Y'all why is fully formed a lot of the time. It's not something that we can articulate which is which is a point where people say. I'll feel so lost because because it's you know it's we can feel it and therefore we make our decisions based on it. Does this feel right. Usually it's kind of comes up in the sense of like ducks the illinois from make a decision in from the hot but all every event in our lives that has shaped us whether it's positive or negative one how we've dealt the event actually shows sips of our why is so in the find your wife session we actually take step back of just the day to day life and take a step back to see see the main events that have shaped them and what is the common thread. What are the common themes running through all of these events and from those themes we actually chr actually articulate their why so we articulate in a sense of what is the contribution that they've been making you in all of these events and it has been the impact of those contributions because then when you can actually articulate it in that way you could you know when you can see like the the blueprint that you've been making decisions on in all the events that shaped you in a pass you can actually use that blueprint to make decisions in the future as well but consciously so for example my i might y as i've discovered in my twenty s is helping people live in line with the authentic self so that they can make a meaningful impact in the world so i've realized now when i article i realized that when i look back in my life all of the decisions i made was based on that but now when i look forward in my life and you know there's there's choices is to make this opportunities. I can choose what to work with a confused podcast. I want to go on. I can choose what clients i want to work with. I run it through that filter of does this align with my way so that's kind of the the process of helping someone purpose is actually <hes> it's not it's not something that they create something that they've been living by already. They just have have taken a step back and look at what the common themes are through the running through the life and actually been able to articulate it because articulating <hes> you know someone might have restrung the purpose but that doesn't necessarily mean they can articulate and when you can articulate it you can tell other people you can inspire other people and that's when you start doc making an impact when you can actually spread the message baio purpose joe why to to other people as well so when you when you get your y that's why it becomes easier to create a vision and actually create an action plan of how you're going to make that vision possible so which of the two steps that i take would take people through in in in my programs. That's at much less populous because i remem- bub. Almost i almost moment where the sort of the expressing charles to say when when when that sunk in yet it was like literally he's not all and yeah you know it had been shown up all over through again you know all all through all through my life and and i remember it was a what change was more almost on an energetic level yup like the show up because if energizing is it gets inspiring and it's sometimes sometimes you know people was that well you know. You've always had his message mckay but i didn't feel it up the moment you feel it and you know exactly what it is. You know like the whole everything changes at such. How's work. I want to go back for a second to you know to the the time when you kind of also just in a in a in as little fast track way when through that period like oh shit i could relate to that like i. I was like i love everything in yes. I love languages. I love sports looked like arlo kind of everything and so yeah how how because that's actually i think a very i will go ah with creative people and it's a very common thing that that there is so much curiosity so much interest so much enthusiasm and passion for so many the different things that it actually can be quite difficult to to find that's enough to find a way of looking at it all so that it all comes together because as long as you sort of just just goes with the dons they'll be the moment when us it'll miss the other bits when you they have to neglect other parts of you yet was that journey like from that multi passion <hes> you know twenty year old to the twenty three year old who has this really clear strong focus and energy that comes across now yet so so you're asking from what i was twenty two now when when i was a child until i was twenty from the pod when you had all these different interests and were okay well you love kind of everything yet. How how did use the you narrow that down so that it yet yeah i know what i'm here for. Yep okay so i actually had the most amazing childhood and i'm really lucky for that because my parents will raise really supportive of kind of a <hes> you know all the choices i make were i was. I felt very empowered about all the choices i made with that came. A lot of opportunities like going to dance play. They will have already running races. It's okay if you didn't get one hundred percent in last examined life isn't about exams but all of this kind of empowerment made me kind of really thrive in everything that i did which was amazing feeling but when it this is a great setup for great amazing childhood but when it actually came to kind of you know you're you're a teenager and you have to get serious. Now exams and you need to start thinking about your career. That's when i really struggled because i was a l. I did these things because i loved to do it not because i wanted to kind of have the job out of it or not because i wanted to be a mathematician if you ask me that i wanted to be a hosts right is jockey. You know i didn't write who was very often but i love those. I i wanna be joking. <hes> what ended up happening was so i did have my education in turkey so when i was sixteen i moved to the u._k. And kentucky you basically don't narrow down any subjects. You just take subjects which kind of worked well with me so someone that liked everything because <hes> you know i could. I could still do everything. I like just a bit more serious when i get a bit more stressed out with exams but i did move england when i was sixteen because you know with the idea of i want to uni hair and a better education everything like that so that so in at uni as are in a levels which is when you sixteen to eighteen in the u._k. You choose four subjects and any kind of drop down to three and i chose maths physics dance and geology and and when it you know i i really enjoy doing those things but when it came down to like kenana levels i never thought of knocking to you know i never the possibilities that you cannot go. Jeannie like what would you do. Just let work in mcdonalds. I i never was exposed to the opportunity. Of what could you do if you didn't go to uni because because everyone's going to need that's why everyone did. That's what my parents sits fine. We'll give it to you need it and <hes> and i and i did apply dont schools. I was either do dance or i do something else so kind of narrowed it down to two professions if you will of dance or geology in very different things and this is kind of my problem with the education system came up because passion mhm <hes> had to directly translate into a job title there. Was this a thought this huge pressure of needing to translates my you know my love full aw doing dot. I like doing dots the one reason because i could express myself. I really loved communicating to people. I felt you know free when i could express myself but we'll say love the people kind of looking at my dancing and understand that you know making make an interpretation of whatever that was for them but then also loved the geology side you know what you will you could make sense of nature. It was a good way of connecting mate show with science with maths with thinking would legit and it was a kind of a so for me. There was so many different reasons why i love doing these things things and the job titles or the degree titles just didn't represent enough. If you became a dancer your career so really really i felt the kind of mismatch in the reasons why i wanted to do this exists but because i just love dancing was reasons why i wanted to do this because i want to express myself but you know now that i think about it. I kind of figure that out so actually the thing that i loved was expressing myself. It wasn't the danzig of us to love dancing because it's a way of doing danzig was the way in which i loved expressing myself geology. I love being out in nature. I love making sense of nature and understanding the detail of richer so really that was the acting i love being out in nature and making sense of how like the ways that nature work so really that was that i loved doing but the bit that i was focusing focusing on was the geology title so so kind of taking the lead of that i went to study geology because the dance competiton and i wasn't that technically good yes so i studied geology in my second year of studying it. I really realized i have lost all the authenticity i had when i was a child. When i was living everything i was doing. I was thriving own areas everything i tried. I did it with without pressure without having to do it. I just did it because i wanted to at all the decisions i made was from a pure place of this this. This is something i want to do. It was a decision. I made from an empowered replace. A now is making decisions. You know what better papa jobs because otherwise everyone else can get in decision making what's coming from fear based place in it. I really felt the stock contrast when i was kind of nineteen in the second year at uni versus when i was like you know six seven would just loving life and i and i think the thing that made me take action on that contrast on that gonna feelings so early on in life was the fact that i had excited experienced the contrast because i i would it could be like a my childhood and now i saw that the stock control of what he was doing so that's really kind of motivated me to be like this isn't how i should live like. This is not how i want to live rather know that there is another way of living life so i kind of started seeking that feeling that that freedom that authenticity i felt in my childhood so that's kind of where i started my journey of okay. It's not about job titles because that's not working for me right now. I don't want to be a geologist because what actually happened was the geology jobs were all do with using the knowledge that you learned about nature and using it to make money for the human race and it was like i sir of geology was because i would love to understand the details of nature and an in the job it with that was it was kind of contrasting that very they obviously so again it kind of shows that it wasn't about the title of geology it was about the underlying i want to do geology and it brings me back to that. <hes> you know understanding what you're ri- is because if i understood what my was i love expressing. I love understanding nature works. I love using understanding the the details of the perfection of nature or whatever you know. All of those are kind of indicators of my why a but i never thought of in that way so so when i was nineteen i actually towards the end of my nineteen soak nearly twenty. I actually saved up money for a life coach and <hes> <hes> she was you know for me then for a student that didn't really have an income was so expensive but i was like i don't have any other choice. I just this needs to go for. This is just. I just want to do something about this. I don't want to painful not doing anything about it so so since then assaulted understanding what my why was and i just i started making my decisions based on. Does this feel like aligns rather than does the rather than looking at title. I looked at the started looking at the underlying. Why do i want to do this so we actually ended up going to a saved up an i took a year out once i finished my duty so i i did finish in assistance that you know all you should have a degree but but yeah so often that i went traveling for a year and from from then on every experience i did. I did it because it aligned in some way or another with where i wanted to go. Even though i didn't i didn't have help people live interview so that they can make a meaningful impact in the world why then but i could still feel if something aligned or not so i was. I started making my decisions based on how how much they aligned rather than the titles that they had so. I i did my yoga teacher training. I worked with kids helping them. Transition from teenager did you who didn't kind of adulthood and and kind of ended up in his coaching area which at the moment feels like the avenue which can most directly <hes> along with my wife most closely aligned with my way. I'm not sure it's such a fascinating story. Isn't it yeah how it's still even. If it's a little seems like compressed. It's still going through those rations and going so in that process. It's just i think the difference is that that you wail for that. You will like hang on us it a questioning the the ultimate highlight highlight a lot sooner than than most people would be interesting to see way us away. You're headed. What's so for me. I've i've really this. This coaching business is something that i've been running seriously for the last six months before that for a year i had been offering coaching services but i focused in on exactly what i'm doing now for the last six months and from here i really want to right now. I work a lot online but i really want to expand into getting giving speeches a face to face in front of you know actually travelling by by giving speeches because i want to be able to spread this message of you. You can live in alignment with drew the you don't have to wait until forever or until you hit bottom to change. I want to spread this message as far and wide as possible and i really really want to do that through kind of getting public public speeches so i think my one on one cooled with my clients funds really really make it clear for me. How exactly am i helping people and see the impact of it but when i worked with enough people i think i would really like take to a bigger scale and large scale on again off the offline world a little bit as well and have have veal face to face interactions at something that i've really been missing recently as all that sounds so exciting and i can see you and i can see you how you would be able to transmit that passion the former stage into audience like i'm gonna. I'm gonna watch you know so. The main place that i actually engage on is my facebook profile. So if you are a lot of role there's not that many people with the name laura overall or you can look at a lot of coaching on facebook as well. That's the main thais that you will be able to find me than and then all the links are kind of like everything else my youtube channel. My website is kind of leaked on there as well but that if you have facebook that's probably the best place to find me awesome. Well thank you so much such inspiring and energetic and passionate episode of just love thank you so much. It's been really really well some talking t- thank you see i take by thanks. You're listening to the passion business. If you enjoyed this episode don't forget.

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TAGALOG HORROR STORY | ANG LIHIM NG TULAY | DARK FILES SERIES

Stories Philippines Podcast

29:52 min | 4 months ago

TAGALOG HORROR STORY | ANG LIHIM NG TULAY | DARK FILES SERIES

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Pulisic, Willian Lead Blues In Huge Win Over Man City

Chelsea Mike'd Up

29:25 min | 3 months ago

Pulisic, Willian Lead Blues In Huge Win Over Man City

"South. Swag. BACOPA. Reporting this pod moments after one of the best performances of the season. I'll say this on the top. Congratulations Liverpool all right there are. It came. Not. Let's just not, can we not? All right hang. Let's restart this, okay. You're welcome Liverpool. That's better. Welcome look I'm not gonNA. Come out here and do the super cocky thing is yeah. We had to do it for Ya. You're welcome. Liverpool I'm not going to do that even though it kind of just did but. Look follow me down this path. Think of it as you're ending. Manchester City's title rain rather than clinching for Liverpool because Manchester City tremendous champions tremendous, and that is message to the rest of the Premier League, and you're damn shirts, a message to Liverpool in joy it God knows it took a long enough. Chelsea, your common and with performances like that they keep proving it to you I don't really see Liverpool's spending money over the bar, trying to fight off the likes of this young energetic, fierce Chelsea squad here my initial thoughts were the game and will welcome in the neutral observer. The Neutral Observer Chris Wittingham always one of the the fun fixtures here on Chelsea miked up a bonus Chelsea Mike up our second bonus. This is historic, but you all saw twitter timelines. I'm curious Chris what the rating is going to be for this match because there's not a lot of competition out there a lot of American sports, fans are starved for something and boy. This match deliver. It's funny that you brought that up. And you mentioned that during the match that there are non Chelsea fans that are on your twitter timeline, and it's not just that it is sports sports that we understand what the stakes are. It's sports that we would care about. These and it sports that delivered in terms of quality. That game was just flatly fun like the two teams going at each other Chelsea threatening despite not having a ton of the ball, it always seemed like they were on the verge of creating something I can't resist from an entertainment. It was a spectacle, and obviously the Liverpool thing was hanging over the whole game and justice champions places hanging over the whole game sitting, not going down as champions for a few more. More days was there was so much hanging over the game from a narrative standpoint, and from a quality standpoint, it was just everything could ever want out of this desperate time for sports. We can watch anything right now. I honestly think this matches going to live forever. Just like the the Tottenham Chelsea match four years ago. That clinched it for Lesser City. People still remember that match. ARLOS majestic goal. Call by the way Arlo come on. It was a clear handball wh. A small monitor six feet away from your partner. Someone get Arlo a better camera view. This is clear as they handle. I was screaming at my television. The commentators had me convinced that Var. My rear its ugly head here Chris. Yeah well I mean it required Var to succeed right, and how often this season has a fan of any primarily club been confident that Var will succeed, but that was full. Suarez, that was batting the ball off the line. I think saw the first replay the swinging motion of Fernandina with these swing his arm there and immediately the when they go to the close up. You're looking for it and sure enough nailed on red card. On our on our text chat, we're saying furniture probably could have been sent off for the earlier prolific chance pollution cleaning on goal Fernandina, go snapping it, and just because Pulisic doesn't go down doesn't mean it wasn't a foul and a red card typical American for the love of God. You're playing in the premier league. Learn how to follow when a foul like that occurs my. My God and they didn't even cover that at look. I had all sorts of frustrations MBC does an amazing job with the coverage, and these are obviously unique circumstances, but I'm not crazy after I gloria soccer, God scores an amazing goal. Worry displays world-class speed, honestly just shambolic from those centrebacks at Manchester City Chris. We were talking about the Chelsea centrebacks entering this match own. Own My. Lord Manchester City I'd had no idea. Was that big of an issue well, so on the first goal it was neither centreback was involved in that passage in play was Benjamin Mendy and okay gun who are stuck back from the corner, but either way what that was I have no idea, and then on numerous occasions for an is getting blown past and that. That second goal is absolutely the fault of Fernandina being on the line and the whole scrambling. Even before we get, there is the fall of that defense, so it's been mentioned cities problem all year, and the thing is, is that with a miracle? It was supposed to be better because he's finally fit, and he's in that back line, but still huge problems defensively at times. Times they fermented. Yeah, and Chelsea F I were not taking it to Manchester City in the way that we've seen previously in an earlier match up between these squads, they finally regained possession in the midfield. I thought they were very good after they scored obviously easy to say after someone gets sent off like that back to my original point because I want this to get. Get loss when my soccer God scores in that fashion show me the replay of the goal. I don't care for Liverpool Fan celebrating. We could have done that later NBC. I'm just saying I know this is a Chelsea. Pa I'm being emotional I. Understand the thought that went into it, but when it's a Christian Pulisic goal. Stick with that, but I'll give NBC some slack. Slack here now, I. The whole time was furious and how much you were mentioning Liverpool because I got the game of its own volition was fun, but for Crayola they weren't playing in the game. Like can we shut up about Liverpool, but the feed their takings being produced by the English broadcaster bt. They have no say in what actually goes on the screen and so. So bt is the one that went to Liverpool fans on zoom. They had their Little Watch party organized, so it's not like they could cut away to politic, because it's the American feed. They had to take whatever they were given. But still even the commentary of all this could be the goal that leads to Liverpool when it's a prolific discord man like it's an antipsychotic. Ear. Entire country erupts on social media. You have the entire attention of the American sports fan. Really there are people that you're just not going to get into the ten I understand that, but you got a whole bunch of New People that are tuning in not just see a match between two clubs. They instantly recognize, but to watch Christian Pulisic and Chris Christian Pulisic absolutely delivered. It's gotTa get to the point where Christians just going to force Frank Lampard and dare him to remove him from the starting. Starting Eleven. He is just make when he is fit. He makes his team so much better years. A hot take Christian Pulisic is good. He's good at this level. He's good at any level. You can play in the champions. League can play for a big club. Christian Pulisic is good and I just don't know how often actually a tweet I believe from Kim Macaulay of espy nation. Who was saying? Christian Pulisic is underrated by US men's national team fans because they haven't gone to world, Cup and Generally the US soccer program has been on downtimes during Christian Pulisic era. It's almost like he doesn't get enough credit that it's not on. This player can belong at this level and today the performance put in, and yes he gets the goal and came inches away from getting a second after rounding. Edison every flick every pass. Every touch was crisp. He was superb in this match today, and it's really hard to come back from six months off for a player to. To be that sharp, and both goals are both near goals come from just being on top of the game the first goal where it's just a lazy pass between two players at the back from city, and then that touch to get past the defender relooking. He's flying passive. Let's Meet I've never seen from Chris ballistic before, and then the second goal where it's just an awkward bounce their for Fernandina and again it's just the pace. He made a run towards. Towards for an year, you judge this wrong I will be there that alertness that sharpness is on top top form from Kristen right now I understand what Frank Lampard was doing at the beginning of the season, and I understand Christian had a dip in form, and then definitely struggled with fitness. This is going to be the key for Christian at Chelsea. He is going to have to say healthy, and it's one of those things you can have on lucky break someone. Someone can come in for a slide tackle. Not all of this is in his hands, but if he is fit, he is definitely one of the best players on this team. One of the more essential players on this team because Lord knows we've seen time and time again a cross. What no one in the right position to put it away Christian Pulisic is always in the right position, except for that one time him and Tammy both went up the middle. Because he's like. Oh, man, someone else making the right run to. That was a little bit surprising, but so many great performances. Christianson this makes me uncomfortable because I mean I'm pretty much taught here in the states at that's a concussion I know about the least should be in a protocol of some sort. Yeah and Arlo absolutely articulated. The sentiment over here is like. Why can't we get this fixed? Why can't there be a temporary sub? This seems like such a stupid. Stupid antiquated rule it actually will look barbaric I think when we eventually fix this years down the line, but Christianson. What a performance from him answers the Bell Ruediger and always dicey. He goes up in the air. He's not exactly sure where it's going to go. One school makes contact with the ball, but he was good man. A lot of people were good. Some consistency along that back line helps kappa. KAPPA. Let's focus on CAP. Because both keepers really struggled I thought in their distribution kappa with a ball that failed to sail over Moras. Put this team in a really bad spot, almost inexcusable, considering the short leashes on Chris, very nearly probably should have been a goal from Bernardo. Silva doesn't quite get clean purchase on the ball when he's in that attacking situation, but yeah, and then there was the other. Other ball that was kind of meant towards the right flank towards desperately Greta that just kind of sailed on and from there on out. I think it was pretty clear that the directive came from the manager. It's on the ball gets near you just boot. It just just get rid of it. Let's not try and play out and make a mistake. That's GONNA lead to a goal and if that's what. Is Meant to bring as a goalkeeper skill with his feet, and then you ask him to perform those skills, and they're not there. He better make some incredible saves to fair to him. He made one or two, but that generally has not been his strength at Chelsea, so they have to get that right or else. Is underutilized, miss utilized or just properly utilized as not having that skill which he was thought to have. One of my knee-jerk takeaways from this is I think frank is playing. What's happening with centre forward? Brilliantly Giroud as a player that you trust what he brings to. The team is so necessary and I liked Tammy in that role coming off the bench providing. Providing a different look giving you speed. It was essential in killing off time him and William, I thought really shined towards the latter part of that match in delivering what Franklin part absolutely needed from. Just let's get this match over with. This is a huge result. I understand the eyes of the world are on Liverpool and I title Yada Yada Yada not a lot. Lot of people predicting, Chelsea getting all three points in a massive top four battle with Manchester United Nipping at their heels Manchester United if they figure this thing out with marshy, all fit, and Pogba back in the good graces and Greenwood I love what he brings that team and Rashford remember before the suspension of play. Rashford was dealing with knocking. You're almost sort of. Of resented the fact that man the injuries are going to catch up to that team, and they're never going to figure that out with POGBA. That is a very soft schedule for Manchester United coming up granted. They've struggled with those, but they have just so much class right now. That I don't think we can expect this former Manchester United to drop point so this. This is a massive result. Yes, I was looking at the table and say oh again. This is tight prematch and you're right because the dominant storyline is Liverpool, I had even forgot. Oh, it took me like about eighty five minutes when it was pretty clear that city. We're not gonNA. Make a comeback a massive win for Chelsea to establish five points before an FA. FA Cup quarterfinal against Leicester City, you can really go forward, and then after the end look, these are the teams at times struggled against, but at West Ham dreadful after the restart and home with who seem incapable of scoring a goal after the restart you win those two games, you put yourself in very good position for those final two, but wolves and Manchester, united. United both come out of the break. Looking really good, so this is a huge victory to establish that comfort, even if v ten get you in the Championship League next year with immensity. European ban if that's confirmed, you don't want to lean on that. You don't WanNa, need it, and so the three points today to get something I mean. They were betting underdogs huge. Huge absolutely massive as you head towards games that you're going to be favorite, because then it's palace after that I don't believe they have a big six side for a little while here so only Liverpool on the second to last game of the season at the have. That is a big six side, and they've already locked titles. Who knows what their motivation is, but But the fixture list is looking kind for Chelsea right after this win. Let's talk a little bit about Mesa Mount again. Bringing to the table, what frankly import is looking for from a pressing dynamic, but once again has that one moment that you remember from the game where he steals the ball after an awful pass from Edison once again, his pressing creates a chance. Chance and it's pressing created an earlier chance in the game as well. I thought that's what means amount does Ed's vintage. Mason. Mount, but unfortunately vintage amount also means balls at his feet. He's winning. The numbers. Game has a teammate on his right. What are you gonNA, make mason mom all too often. It's the wrong play Maybe the I'd say, put it on. On the keeper there, but doesn't put her on the keeper. It goes just wide. If Mesa Mount can learn to finish, this is a very special number eight until then he's going to need to be surrounded by all world talent your take, especially in such an important position again he's asked to play in the advanced to in front of Kante alongside Rothbart, Glue I. I thought played well in the game as well, but you're right. He's GonNa? Get into those opportunities if you are. Who if you create chances for yourself? That's half the battle. You can see why. Frank Lampard wants to give him every chance. Because if that hard work endeavor is going to create you chances, it's everything you'd want out of someone in that position, but. But the finishing is just not there and you're right. He fires it into side-netting when he could have played a square bowl or try to go far post opposite Edison. We have to keep in mind a young player. He can learn to be more clinical. Let's pretend like we haven't seen that development with certain players again though he's played every match Frank Lampard, obviously. Obviously fancies him as a player. He's done a lot of good stuff. We're coming off of an asking villa performance where you could made outside of contact, you can made a very solid argument. That amount was man of the match, but he's going to frustrate you and this port of playing young player. This is the roller coaster of emotions. I don't want to concentrate. Concentrate too much on that. Because overall I thought he was good, he wasn't Christian. Pulisic good and we go with. We're going with his narrative, because it does seem more and more like twitter's divided team Christian team. Mason fortunate to both players. Especially since we're both versatile I think today. They showed you they can coexist. There was at one time we're Mason and Christian. Christian just weren't on the same page on the counter attack and Mason expected to be somewhere else and Christian. He's fast if he can't get to a ball. You probably overplayed at Mason. Yeah, the through ball down that right channel, wasn't it? But what did you make of Christian? Because I kind of song his praises. But what did you think of Christian today? But early on, he was just like he got dispossessed early, and we've seen that in previous matches Chris where he he's trusted by Frank Lampard, and then maybe Christian presses a little bit much. I liked the speed that he was playing with obviously his aggressiveness, he was doing what Frank Lampard was asking, and it was just a matter of getting on the same page and getting the timing down with some teammate said he hasn't been out there a lot with right. It's understandable and he was just missing some of these passes. He had a nice ball. Play down the middle of the field that I think it was. You're rude who? Who Kinda ended a little bit did his best touch, but I was like man. This is this kind of feels like some of the opportunities and then a glorious play for Manchester City. Sort of you get it you get it. Oh, my God, who the hell is that in a blue blur comes streaking down the speed. We know that's what Christian. Pulisic brings to the table, but so many strikers help Raheem. Sterling is a tremendous player for Manchester City. How many times see him get a blazing counterattack and doesn't have the clinical finish that finish for that first goal. He put it the only possible place at least the only possible. Possible side that he could put it at outside of Edison's outreached arms, and if you're an American if you're a Chelsea fan if you're a fan of the beautiful game my God. What a finish! You know that obviously you're going to have to make a decision about what you're going to do. You can drag around the keeper. You can try and chip keeper because he's so far out, but he had very clearly settled on I'm curl it around him and the way that it comes off like into the bottom corner, like not even into the middle of the goal into the bottom corner and the from the camera angle. It's perfectly. Perfectly in line with the bend just fantastic and like you said. How many times do players in up in one V one and always the commentator when they don't score while he has to score there, and it's not that simple I remember the Martinelli chance for Arsenal against Chelsea. When he put that one away like that's not guaranteed, just because you're running unabated for fifty yards of your in behind the defence, it is not that simple and Christian, just made it look so easy, and this sad comes courtesy of Chad, from Chelsea Chatter Christian Pulisic with eight goals now has scored more than Sala debris, Lukaku foul cow and Bateau combined. For Chelsea for Chelsea wait. No, that wasn't all time. I love that motto is. I mean yeah, man I'm an American. I'm a Chelsea Fan, I'm on cloud nine. Talk about what this means in an even more macro sense, because obviously massive for this season's campaign massive with incoming signings, but let's talk about those incoming signings, Zeke Verner, obviously taking Chelsea to a next level, we'll see what happens along that back line, and at the keeper position, because even though Chelsea went import match today, I think we come away, feeling even shakier about campus prospects considering some of the mistakes that he made Chelsea. This is a lukewarm hot take are clearly clearly the biggest threat to Liverpool right now. This is a huge qualifier. Could Sancho coming into the Manchester United side? Side, that's obviously a bit of a game changer. They have so many weapons there but I think just considering how they've played recently over this Liverpool, run Chelsea always hang around. Play them tough, not an easy fixture, just liberal, go out in the FA Cup to Chelsea, considering the youth, considering the natural growth and development of some of these players Frank Lampard becoming a more season manager and the world skill of Verner Zeke. Chris this is a keep it warm scenario for Liverpool I feel. The result of the European band will play a huge role for man city because if they get. Get off if they get no European ban I think they're gonNA. Go right into the transfer market. They're not going to be shy particularly after being emboldened from winning against UEFA, so I think they might just go for it straight away and start spending money again so I think that is a possibility, but I agree with you I think at the moment. Chelsea are on the UP. They've come out of the coronavirus. Break on good form. They beat a top side at home. In these big six clashes are how you measure yourself and on this measurement before two huge pieces are still. Still to come in, and perhaps even more I think they have measured up very well against the second best team in the premier league, and probably deserved the three points by the end of the match, so you're right I. Think this measurement against this team was massive for the confidence going forward, and ultimately they're accelerating a three year plan here I. Don't know if it's necessarily going win the league next year, too. Because Liverpool are so good, and you have to imagine that unless they are picked for parts would. You can't imagine that they will be. It's going to be solid from. Up Top again. It's going to be Van Dyke and son the back like you have to imagine that it's going to be a really strong team again that it'll be hard for someone to catch them next year, but Chelsea appear to be the most likely candidate the moment while let me rest, assure this is going to be the most lukewarm hot take Liverpool. Liverpool won't have such an easy go of it next year. They they won't clinch the title as early even though the latest possible time looking at the calendar, so it's a very confused matchday thirty one. Yeah, yeah, and another thing. It's I'm glad you mentioned that point about Manchester City. A lot is hinging upon this This band that looms overhead because look. Say They. They are banned from European football. Are they going to sell? Their players are players get a demand out even if they do how many of those players because voting is going to be a tremendous replacement for David Silva, and now you have Manchester City. Not Having to worry about the pressures of European football, not having to worry about rotating their squad for those fixtures Chelsea fans. No, they WANNA title one year without having to worry about European football so. So certainly an interesting proposition, but I do think we're going to have a far more dramatic title. Chase with Manchester United. Getting better, the uncertainty surrounding Manchester City Chelsea, obviously the expectation is that they get better and Liverpool as they've shown you here in recent months. Maybe their peak was last year. Champions League and not that this is a downward trajectory, but at the safest possible respect plateau right I mean we've drawn twice and lost one so okay downward trajectory. I mean you don't. You don't want to go after the champion so hard, but You won the championship at a historic clip. My heartache is that you're not going to do it as easy next time? Let's talk a little bit once again about Christianson. Because we went over the the incident where he takes the ball off the top of the head, but I wanNA talk about specifically his performance. That's obviously you gotta be controversial, but no mistakes obviously which has been the number one problem with our centre-back say always make one mistake that leads the goal sturdy great distribution on the same page. There trapping was great yet. Once again we beaten by a setpiece, but that Katie Beagle what can you do once again? Kappa nothing he could do about that. Although, he didn't stand there and watch it. Yeah, he actually dough for it to be fair to a, but my God would a free-kick. I thought in general, the whole team shape from a defensive sampling I thought city really lacked a focal point so Gabrielle. Zeus came on the whole place. Six feel there's and try and pass through. It was not going to. To work, against Chelsea, they put five in midfield and foreign defense. That wasn't gonNA work, but the defenders thought, and it's very easy to fall into pressure against meant city. They press really hard. It's kind of like the underrated thing about their abilities that defensively they get after teams when they don't have the ball, but it didn't really feel at any point. Point like they were going to be the ones responsible for the big error, so the back line outside of look, the the wingers I thought Williams was very good. I thought rude up top. That's probably your unit of the match. Back line was tremendous considering the expectations entering this match. Obviously, the trouble spot a curious decision in that midfield I thought at. At times, especially in that first half Chris that Chelsea desperately miss a player like Georgina who could keep possession because that was a huge issue in that first half at least yeah, looking for an outlet, 'cause Man City tried to press you into a specific area, and then there's nowhere for you to pass the ball. It's very often towards the left Marcus. Marcus Alonzo had to try and find an option seemed like you usually went along with it or was trying to play really difficult balls into Christian politics feet, and it just wasn't working. So you're right Jorgihno. He always drifts towards the player with the ball and there one time we're on Golo Kante did that where he went towards defender picked up A. A bowl and played this really dangerous past to Christians, and I was like yes context, and I was like delighting in his bravery to play this sideways. Pass to Andre as Christians, and that's ultimately meaningless in the game, but to me it shows it. Yes, context some of that but Jorgihno. That's all he thinks about when he's out there, it's always trying. Trying to get the ball one place in the next respect to William and Pedro now Pedro's future is certain. He's agreed to terms with Roma. He'll be going there next season. Obviously was an impact sub I thought Edison made a brilliant save on that trademark yet hurler from Pedro. You don't often see someone. Get their fingertips to that pit. Pedro, if you. You were questioning whereas head might be for this final run with Chelsea. He is out to impress. I mean full motor out there Gimme that Pedro and William Clap. It Up I. Know This guy's been a bit of a frustrating player at times, and then you forgive it all because he'll give you a moment of brilliance I thought today, he was excellent. Chelsea needed especially when the got that lead. AM THAT PK? Balls Chris. Do we have? Can I say balls Paul's? No one was taking that from him either credit. Oh No, wow, that was his. That was just a great take, and especially after that moment, because it's very clearly v Moment in the game you've had the man city defender sent off. You know that if you scored this goal, you basically won the game. That is the game at his feet, and to to dispatch that so calmly tremendous take from William. We're recording this right after the match and there are scenes right now in Liverpool as you can imagine. If you're worried about this pandemic ticket from to Floridians, you may WanNa. Ease up, there guys I'm just saying you can. You can do the car caravan and celebrate. This is what everybody was a little bit of afraid of, but not that you can ever make an excuse for this type of behavior, but thirty years is a long wait. I'm already getting antsy because it's been a couple of years for Chelsea and I certainly want to know. Know what that feels like again. Let's listen in on the manager. Frank Lampard his post-match thoughts. Because this was a game that not many people picked Chelsea to win. Obviously, a massive three points as Chelsea looked to lock in their European placement. Let's hear from the gaffer. Always try and limit your errors. which has been issues times, and you always try and capitalize when you go. Price applies Christian. Who can wife Paypal and drive with a bowl? And you can do that and we knew you know. We've had I. Think Mobile than any team regularly these games, the bigger percentage, but today against to save when apply a bit of a full. Buddies matured is really tough. So, we had to tweak a little bit time. Suffer certainly in the first twenty minutes of the second half, but we I think we deserve to win on chances all right so Chris. We've obviously done our preview episode earlier in the week. Go ahead and check that out. It's still pretty evergreen. Listen are Mealy, bright interview. You gotTa Love Her and our lesser city preview for the. The FA Cup. Nothing's really changed from regards to how we view that match anyways. Benca well the big story line. Where do we go from here? What did we learn obviously? Chelsea have some matches still coming up. They have to continue to take care of business, but where we position what's on deck for Chelsea? How is just so? The audience knows exactly how massive these three points. Points were yeah. I think it's three points that you might not necessarily have expected. You might have expected to get one but all three. It's a huge boost leaves you five points clear of Man United in Wolves. Who I think. Can we now say that's the race for fourth? Because Tottenham right now is in seventh. They're nine points behind Chelsea. I find it hard to believe that. That Tottenham came up nine points between now and the end of the season, but matches united in fifth on forty nine points, wolves on six and other mid week. Win for them, so it just feels like they are on their way towards competing for this. They have a morning match on Saturday against Aston. Villa imagine if they get three points. They're the racists. Tighten back up again. Again so for me, those the teams that are competing and Chelsea now at least a five point gap head towards two matches, as you mentioned earlier coming up against fairly straightforward opponents, you look at West Ham. When you look at Waterford, and then you also have crystal, palace, on the back of that Sheffield united and Norwich is well ones at home so three of the next five. 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49 - Premier League on NBC Group Chat Episode 3: World Cup-Style Premier League? | Pay Cuts

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49 - Premier League on NBC Group Chat Episode 3: World Cup-Style Premier League? | Pay Cuts

"Hello everybody I'm Rebecca Lowe and this is our criminal on NBC podcast number three as we tried to keep in touch with you and try to keep me company during this obviously very unprecedented time as always stop by introducing who is on the park today. And we've full house is the com- Mister Muster Mislead Dixon. The Royal Mr Auto might healthy sow goodness as well and I know. I speak on behalf of all chat whether they are in the. Us is affecting us to say that we send you at home or have you. Is this love or about by Swishes and also to know that. We're going to be here for you all the way through this area right up until the moment that we appear back on your TV screen so as a promise from now. Let's get on until some verbal Xiaowei and today's topic. Well of course we know. This is not the talk of everybody. Priority List but syllables incredibly involves a lot of people not least the livelihoods of many many people in the primarily of UK not just Glasgow thousands of thousands of people who will crop so it is a few simple bengals brings joyous well to so many people. So I know that you arrange visits to find out our goals in the track souls mainly on how the seasons GONNA finish a couple of weeks. Ago had a chat about that fossil two weeks as well right now is changing quickly and this week a comfortable will come out which we thought were interesting. They seem to be slightly too so often is the case in some different ideas appear to be about around the tables of the FA of the PSA crucially the primarily as well. So I'm just going to throw at Chatsworth on the notions of out possible ideas to try and get the seasons finished the independent this week talked about a World Cup style. Count where all teams would get together in either the Midland's pending a weather from originally midland's or in London and essentially funke down. If you like in hotels alongside the coaches and medical soft probably cameramen as well and they would basically be zone. There were two World Cup all together in a hotel and they would meet the plane behind Crow George's park which is officials England training area. That is a possibility. Is about seventy pitches that that is an area that could be used as what is empty stadiums as well and they're looking to do that in June July one. I did you just a couple days. The Daily Mail a non arrived there already is being discussed is so desperate to get diseases finish by July the twelve. The reason being is July the twelfth time in terms of the season twenty nineteen twenty twenty is no by twelve but around a billion dollars instead of the D. TV Costa's. Thanks so won't day now. This week is reporting is that they will play games on stole something in. May and they will waive a lot of rules like we can squawk a increased scored number so the Mo class can be rotated. That's another thing that's happening or anything. Being talked about right now and then this morning in the Guardian David Kahn has has been even begin until the end of June the whole nother take on it as well as you know. I'm sure listening Wimbledon this morning and has been canceled this year absences the Second World War and the Champions League. Your clearly intended to be suspended indefinitely so things are not good. It's hard to imagine a world in which Wimbledon is not gonna go primarily is but haseltine closed doors. That can happen. So let's throw out to you guys robot. I'm GonNa Start with you today. I'm taking into account all of these ideas that are being leaked out of the offices of hope astronomical. Where do you stand on any of those ideas? By the way we will also get into possible deferring wages for plans for that schools. A separate thing. We finish this season based on these kind of ideas he can be those intros Gannon vacher her. I'm GONNA go to. The independence came out because he didn't judgment obsolete Will had tournament style. Situation can live up to One IN MIDLAND. They've played the game is a bit like Will Be Real. Staley and insanely took among is a nice sauce. That sounds really good. Will yesterday under the season. We'll get say J. GAINES. It will be for all on the southbound with two Games has to admit to listening battering the mole that. I think about it. I'm still go three sixty on this. And that was one of those who said regard to finish the season in recent times in innovation days over fifty people died in the in the UK yesterday over eight hundred fifty people died in the US. Kind of a sage currently be unprovable in these times. Does he really? My alkyl admittedly really matching when having amount as we have when we medical staff responding. Everybody who's soak it risk in his working so hard on to say that Fobel's emporium was shaking down in having these discussions. Just just think the back in the one other thing that comes to mind is it feels to me like the next join closer. I did you know some money. Will you know somebody who knows somebody? Who's got revived a staunch Why if it's June up time one of the players as a wife Relative news the got the device. What if we got somebody around those go go willing as divided as I know they? I think the lesson we wanted to talk about the last thing. We want to talk about relegation. Winning jump getting laid. It is football matches in forgot reason. I just think we've gotta wait and see how the virus goes. Have the plans in place at this stage? Not Out of it about it. Being completed the tool. It's an interesting topic. Rubial one the I know. I THINK HE DIXON. Mattino have also in recent weeks a whole angle. That is to to end the season not avoid cancer. Arabic things of own. There's a huge amount. Of course I know. A lot of people feel very strongly no is local. Fasten down really. That's interesting all OPCO coughing. A Z back in healthy. Well you will take you in. Rubio come maybe one of these radical ideas were a totally agree with what Robbie saying. I take those sentiments on board about the fact that we are in unprecedented global pandemic situation. I like the idea of staging the world. Cup Style tournaments. I think a couple of weeks ago when the police said that under any circumstances really I think the season should be finished however long it takes so without regurgitating that entire arguments. I I like this idea now. The premise would be The the governments and the World Health Organization have played sports to be able to take place again maybe not in front of audiences so we're talking about behind closed doors So it's safe now. Of course there is an issue of if a play a series injury and he needs hospital attention. And you'll taking you know key. Nhl Oh healthcare workers away From from their their day job which is looking at the people that may have the virus. But I don't think that's GonNa be a case because the vibe there wouldn't be people in the hospital with the virus in the first place because with stage where we all beyond it. That's the only plain. The only time that this this plan could possibly come to fruition. I think when I read a lot of twitter and I see a lot of an understand where you're coming from. It is hard to think about for all the moments. It is hard to think about completing a season. It does seem relatively trivial but having said that people net flicks for example that a lot of people watching at moment. I'm sure behind the scenes. They're not saying right. I don't even want to think about any future programs that way. Make a people at film studios. No no no. We are account even have a conversation with you right now about any movies. If we're making any industry at the moment would not be doing. Its job is due diligence to plan for eventualities upon which we then resume that business primarily is no different so maybe they did leak a couple of stories such a test the test the waters a little bit. But they're doing their job. I think one or two journalists have read online and on twitter saying well. How can we possibly be thinking about it? This time I agree. We don't need to to to debate it and argue about it but the primarily and broadcasters and all the stakeholders needs to do what. They've got nothing but time on their hands at the moment so if if for example it was decided in the government said July July the eleventh right. Everyone everything's back to normal and everyone's going. Oh my goodness I hadn't even thought about it because I was told not to think about something as trivial football. That's going to be a problem so everybody has to do their job. Every industry has to do their job and at the moment their ideas and then they could get pushed back and pushed back and pushed back to such time as it becomes impossible to restart the season but if it were to start in June or July I love the idea of a thirty day will get it finished one. Proviso that all the commentators have to be in a dorm room I just WANNA see lien. Graham share that women. I talk to you next. I think the other thing to bear in mind. This is that it's very clear of soccer. Football the nationals. For the national brand new dramatic. Georges Negro among the idea of my stores and friends of mine back in UK. Watch next games like that. I'll be rubbish now. All three has changed by vines. Dole's now sees the RPA you'll morning breath. Well I think it's all about scenario planning to plan for every eventuality and at the moment. I think it's absolutely writes. The message coming out of football is the. We aim to finish the season. I if you think about all the players the training in isolation of the moment every day trying some might say that fit us having played two thirds of the season. Not Knowing what's going to happen like everyone else having met uncertainty about whether the whether the season finishes will not get the chance to to fight to win a championship will stave off relegation. So I think in principle it's absolutely rights and be discussing when it will be finished if I think also from the what's the least worst option and we said this two weeks ago on the podcast myself possibly one other about the fact that you bet. It's a complete something installed say Robin Hanson and try and start something else because as equal possibility and I don't want to be a do Manga but if we cancel this as he sought a new season ended with corona virus mark to next year. You then stop that stays in. I think we're looking at a situation. That is so unknown so fluid. The the most important thing at the moment is to try and maintain the pathway wrong with the leagues that we have. And that's not just a British issue. That's a global sporting issue. Some sports are able to back to this in basketball. For instance has a longer break so they can use this as a as a as a bit of a sort of a blueprint for what they do in the close season I was in football. It's it's trying to create. Normality is in a situation the spot from normal. But I'm absolutely of the view the we have to do everything we can and not Saturday. Because we don't know to to complete the season to give people hope that the season will be finished anything other than that. I think will cause a huge amount of problems in some of the spirit of professional Bagel in terms of the attitudes of the fans and the trust I have in school and also the the legal arguments that will follow which inevitably they were going to be legal issues. Whatever happens But I think that there will be a huge. A huge should've Amounts of legal challenges if the seasons considered null and void and the implications two football clubs could save football clubs going out of business and I say that lightly. I think we're entering the first football recession any of us have ever seen and that's the sad reality. We find a way everybody come getting through this together with the least damage. Also talk about strong your opinion that you feel the opposite actually Graham so that you believe that way is a cancel the season it never happened big lean and a. We voted it safe to do so. And he's still a calm just like rob. You're on a change in a little bit. And that my first thought before I had any information There is no panacea here there. There are legal implications of any decision. That's made I think the reality is. This probably qualifies as Force Majeure and and there is no legal environment that can contain what we're seeing right now because the epidemic creates an environment where you are not going to have a a alwin solution. There is a zero sum game here where something has to lose in order for someone else to to gain and I just think if we start with the premise that the world is better and I believe this and I guess we all do on the phone. We live in this world. We grew up in this world. Fortunate enough to have a job in the world is better when there's football to watch and so if we believe that then it's about how do we create a world that is not putting people unnecessarily at risk in order to continue to produce something that runs so much joy to people and I'm not for a second trying to minimize What's happening out there? What what's happening out. There is is frightening. Scary people are Be People are really worried about their own. Well being the well being of their loved ones and I it's not hyperbole to say that finding joy and entertainment right now is something that brings a wanted distraction and a positive mental health Solution to people and ARLO mentions entertainment. Industry you know it's not it's it's not Ridiculous to say. Can we find a way to give people what brings them so much joy and and I think ideas like a World Cup environment are ones where we have to think radically? There is no normal format solution. That is going to satisfy this. I I still believe like I believe they want. The easiest thing to do is to say season's void it's done you have to finish it. It's the best of the worst decisions you could make because it's just clean and everyone's affected exactly the same way you do not change the world in order to bring it forward but if we just pushed to the side say we have to finish in some way more more bringing football back into people's lives because they enjoyed much. Here's here's my quick pitch so I think that if we're GONNA talk about people at risk right now of this scary virus. Those that are tested every single day for their physical health in the prime physical health of their lives literally with doctors around them all day long just operating complete specimens. These are the people that I think we can put together in a group in Olympic village or a row Cup town to. Unfortunately it's the difficult part just like all of us that went to international tournaments. Be Away from our family with two to go into that environment and to play closed-doors matches the biggest loss. In that scenario is going to watch football matches is a dream. I mean Arlo and grandma Lee to see their faces in the atmosphere behind them and the ambient noise fans all of that is the magic. The game maybe go back to Hollywood. Those guys like George Lucas. There's some pretty creative people on there. I honestly think that we can take amazing games over the past US. That sound as a soundtrack to give noise and to give incredible atmosphere two games that have no fans to them and even when a goal is stored in this you know vacuum of a world in this. Truman show of World Cup. You know you can play the sound of a goal of past and even put a little footnote saying that that celebration sound was from Suarez's goal three seasons or seasons ago and if you can't exit featuring we all want football back on the TV. And I do think there is a responsible way to bring it back in people's lives without bringing unnecessary risk and so I think the solution should be less about. We have to finish a primarily season. Now that's rule that's law that's dogma. It should be more about like people are unhappy with this game in their life. And let's bring happiness people again. Just check chucking in radical by George Lucas Soundtrack. Arlo I called an Olympic gold medal match. I was in Stanford you I was at America in Rio. I think it was five times marshals. Need a okay I like it. I like it really must your next stop snoring. How you feeling about the world today still the very much the same feeling that the season we need to finish it. Of course the the mini woke up type of idea. I like it. I think I think the main thing that we've got to realize that is that we're hoping the in June or whatever the National Health Service in the UK is on top of it all and you know you can't be playing a mini tournament. Were still deaths going on and the NHS's stretched and so there's GonNa be a matter of patients until we do this no understand. The idea of this. This mini tournament is to get as many games played as quickly as possible to finish the season. And I'm sure all the funds of the game will love it and you know like yeah maybe cows idea of of plumbing in sounds of Mustopo goals from the past as a great asset. But as good it's just going to be a patience on when we do and thus gotta be driven by the UK government and the health service to say. You know what we're kind of on top of it were over this curve. We can you know if something happens to a Playa needs to go to hospital. They've got the capacity to handle it. The thing that worries in your back and it goes back to your open points the TV contracts. Now you're talking about July twelfth. I just wanted this. This is going to drive everything and I understand the money that the permanent will have to pay everybody if they complete the season. I just wait. That's going to force it forward that that day is going to drive everything and maybe the National Health Service isn't GonNa be ready to accept some players or or situations with a little mini leagues. So I like the idea. I just worry about the timing Rebecca and that it's all about going to be all about the money and a billion dollars is a lot of money for the perimeter find because not completing a season you know whether the TV companies with a primarily can kind of agree a extra timeframe frame to get it completed we can't risk anybody in the UK of taking away resources or doctors to look after plays the might have had a problem during this tournament. So that's why add onto to cows point. Just one person on that musty don't don't a lot of these teams. I mean they have their own doctors and they can handle a lot of this without leaning on those things CALC. Shouldn't those don't have to have other people? Hi Kyle a lot of a lot of the paramedics that I have to be at ground is illegal bay off from the hospital so let me think about that. Major injury had taken straight talk. A by waiting outside the stadium mutes argumenty beyond cool To help people with virus and come to laugh because I feel like yours. Astronomers anyone on your on your point of view. I think definitely clear from all of these conversations is that none of us knows time line because nobody has a time line and so much of this is we just need to say. Are you still have strong as you are on your believe the football should be absolutely the back of the list right now in the season? Your engine is shipping ongoing. What I listen to all the boys in got really good points Robbie Earle's first point about about him changing his opinion on a and I've come both ways with Vdi of change but as the day as the days go on an eye out more dine on on a daily basis and the numbers Iraq. You know I just forget about football less and less yes these things to get a positive mindset of sign yet. Let's finish this as obviously I WANNA finish this as everybody wants to be light up but I think the longer we go on a great made a good point about the football authorities have to go through the process and work in a white behind the scene Olga. Why we get a date. We go okay. It's going to be then. I think the million miles away from the so to say Erin. Gum read articles about the Will Cope in principle while brilliant idea. You know if if that was if it was whiteout now tomorrow you said right two weeks time get. The Place. Fit A number Happening Crush course of football the broadcast every day get Enga-. I've been looking of two boys as well been looking to broadcast. Atwill hopes that in Brazil in in Russia those that the Bosley get from daily tournament when he came today in three or four games in is an amazing pipedream thing. And there's no reason why we call false Something in the future something to brighten our lives but I think he said it so. Many logistical nightmare is to get over. If you told them online rubbing again made a really good point if out all the players yeah you can keep them in isolation and all training together but the amount of staff that you need to keep those places together. The nutritionist checks the everything. The friends for chef is got adultery dot the virus You've got to be completely clear of it and win. In my opinion with next year before happening so football now becomes familiar. It can becomes a thing of the future. I can't see as I love it to happen. I think that would be a really good idea to finish the season book. I don't think I think we're million miles away from nine so was chatting about it and throwing the idea outlet to see what people think. Think at the moment people will actually jump on now. Go Walk Right. Ideal the logistics of that. Why haven't sold the other lakes? Well I'm so the championship now. You'RE GONNA do the same light in London. All the MEDLEN's I mean and then you've got you've finished the League and you've got three teams again. Relegated where they get relegated to the championship. I'm finished season is just I just can't see. Why Alvin Lee? They've got nothing but time to work all the hours. I think I think initially I think everyone is within agreements. I think it's fair to say that. Nothing at all happens until it is absolutely safe to do so and it doesn't contravene. Any governments. Advise any will L. Vogue innovation of The primarily all absolutely not going to force a tournament through until it's safe to do so I mean that would be the starting point surely so we're not talking about rushing anything back here we're not talking about bending people's arms come on over the worse let's get played playing for the starting point. That is predicated on. It's being cleared to do so once once you have that. Then you come up with the ideas of how you're going to to complete that see talks in February finished the season in February next year. Fine seasons more the Nazis and correct agreement. Let's say the twenty nine hundred twenty two thousand season also get in February twenty twenty one finishes in May and then you just makes the whole season Everyone will be unkind to basically twenty twenty twenty one sees never Strike not nightmare scenario. Yes and it's like grown said as well before you may as I mean because we're so far into the season and again you know it goes back to that argument. Should we debating it because in the current situation but this is a practical debates about the resumption of the game of football and primarily for Azam? When it's safe to do so it would be. I think it would be irresponsible to scrap ases in twenty nine games. Twenty eight twenty nine games to start another season may also be CA- Tales but here here's the challenge as if you're thinking logically there's only one truth it's that you can't play right now and and we we do not know when that starts up again. If you're going to deconstruct a solution based on truth you would say. Don't push a huge gap into the future when you can play. Make sure that you get rid of any challenge to try and play. You can't so so right now. We know that you cannot finish the season. It is impossible to do that right now. It may be impossible for six months. It hurts everyone but saying instead of trying to finish something that has no chance of being finished and being able to start something that will not be interrupted in the future it is. It is the least disruptive to the ongoing linear path of seasons after seasons after seasons. But I'll just just just quickly with that you'll presuming that. We're going to be able to stop something that's not. GonNa be finished. Which fundamentally isn't the case because we don't know if we finish something now is very very complicated isn't it? We don't know when the stocks we don't know when this is when can you start that and just so I think Hope is what we by. Then we can just sit even hope but at some point we get to finish what we're two thirds of the way through but an complete complete that complete that sort of a story. The other thing is just quickly just mad before you come back. Is the the one thing we were looking as? Well is the fact that has to be a global football solution to this. Because when you can't have one league going and can I really? I'm going the yeah. They all they all. That's exactly will come on. How many school. I know I know isn't even more. Graham that illustrates the If you do not make this call for everyone what one one country may be able to start up before another can? So they're not going to be able to finish their season because they're climate although has a green light another country's doesn't what I'm saying is. There's only one way to solve this problem for everyone and it's this season did it didn't finish. It didn't happen. Our best. Chance of getting on track is being able to start a new season when we can not finished. One have have a gap start a new season. You have to remember. We have to rent players up to be ready to play as well so forget finishing season we need a period where players actually get sharp enough to finish the season so h just so unrealistic to think that we're going to be able to finish the season have a break start another season and get back on track around the world. He says line ethical position. I just wanted to go out and you can mediate. How it goes. Putting China's legalities with token about a lot of money million a billion dollars were doing nothing that they are trying to get once you get this because of the consequences of what it means to them grandma Football close revenues it. Tv deals on completely. I just got the sign said this is the trailing trying to get something so this is a time because of been ramifications of illegalities on if they don't complete their this lead by July trump's when it's also the reality of the fact that clubs a lot of clubs live hand-to-mouth they come every month in order to pay salaries salaries eighty two percent of the cost of a club club that compete players for a couple of months. Yeah I'm I'm in. They're in trouble. Let's get on salary situation because she'll be people watching and listening. There's no that you call the Norwich three tops. So far that have put a great number of that known plans of Sun which basically means they photo go which means a temporary temporary told them they cannot come to walk but whilst the economic situation rooms they retired and it also allows those Those people to apply for government. You you pay scheme where they should be. Replenished with reimbursed make sense of their wages off thousand pounds of us by among sorry which is about three dollars a month so those three couples on the already areas of meeting. Actually going right now. Talk about my wages. And there is a groundswell of opinion on both sides. The players should be taking default serve cools meaning fifty percent wage Now in six months or year don't get all that money back to the which arguably is not really a very huge hardship on players who run a one hundred hundred three hundred thousand pounds a week to take exactly now known that money will get to them in the end. There is a discussion on right. Now what do we think muster insult you? Do you believe that the PFA who appear among pretty resistant? Today's they told that members do not sign anything. Until you've heard from all states many male against that is to say Do you think really should come together and say yes we will take either a pay cut or pedophile. Help THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES. Keep it go. Grand says something now absolutely. Yeah I think I think this meeting today and the phone etc is to try and do something blanket. So all the primarily clubs. Do the same things that have in different clubs deferring different percentages we see at Barcelona F C Barcelona. They're doing the same thing I think is at seventy percent pay-cut. They've agreed to to help other people. Klotz I mean the furlough system. Beker even it the club should look after the Rhone. They shouldn't have to you. You shouldn't have staff the club. Non playing staff have to take money from the government when there's so much money in the primarily clubs and the play wages that they should absolutely look after the staff. The is the lifeblood of the football. We all know that we all know the women in the tea. Ladies from from our time football clubs. And it's it's a really important part. The club absolutely the plan should be doing this to help out those those staff members so they haven't got to go to the government. The government doesn't have to raise taxes to pay for that money in the future. So I think it's a no brainer. Uh particularly in the premier league will the the wages for the vast majority are so strong and the difference in terms of housing out. Some of the other people. Football Club is so great they should up suit. You get it done. So that's why the the PF edem say don't sign anything. Obviously the Union. We know the same pages erupting on the same page. So they agree an amount that instead of different different clubs. I have to act in the interests of the of the road. I mean there is a lot of anger out by the talking for example you transfers but as an example. Mike Ashley to say that you call Joe Louis buses incredibly wealthy man anti following Saul like says who event on site separate issues but in terms of the general way but will painting you Bash need say is always difficult to to focus on one or two incidents or information about certain clubs until you get the whole package and you understand what each club is is GonNa do fail. Have something to do that. Show as far as I'm concerned but we hairy time and time again. How many times I heard the of the full family you know. And he said lovely little. Would you can throw into a conversation. Everyone's together and it's times like these when we've never gone through anything like this. Before in the old world in our in our lifetime in normalizes so the football firmly in my opinion be counted not includes every single. Play every single chafee. Everybody's talks to this football family. Whatever is in that clip. An actually put their own around everybody. Make sure everybody's looks after not Knox even thing certainly don't discussion as far as I'm concerned whether you go while you can't do that because of this rule regulations absolute rubbish that the family needs to stand up and be a be counted in an individual clubs. GotTa look at themselves and say. How do we take care of? All people. Excellent a lot of the primarily have to be careful here. Football has to be careful here because we've talked a lot about the fact that it's a great distraction is part of the entertainment industry. We have fun by false about whether a season should be finished or not. And you know unless call was saying you know get back. People need people are isolating holloman three or four games. A day is a great distraction for what we're going through because we love the game so much but if for all is straying into an area where it appears overly greedy and is not taking care of as Lee says its own And paying people wages to get through this hard time and people are then taking money from the government that could have come out of the foot will pots which we know is pretty rich. Then I think a lot of sympathy is going to be lost and whether you call it. Pr Or whether you just call it ethical. I think as rob said it That I think would be a massive own-goal by four also the sooner the stakeholders and get together that includes the primarily that includes the players there agents. Everybody involved and come up with a sensible solution doesn't necessarily have to be seventy percent. It could be twenty five. Could be thirties of a huge amounts of money on a weekly basis. But it will be more than enough to not furlough any workers and keep that money within football. So that doesn't go. Captain Hand of rich fought doesn't go camping hand to the government's at a time like this. I'm just letting you know. Bonus have announced today. This is awesome hours The the Snail Blake. I correct Richard Hughes Eddie. How Jason his assistant Pay Us for the entirety of his uncertain. Time that's just come into small a interesting because that's the way to save not wait to those observations but I think you're right and I think the I think you mentioned numbers of. Let's say twenty five percents every paid referral twenty-five percent. Roughly about kit ladies not late it's also entire HR departments. It's also fine as the policies. Marketing is crass anyone who's being any scoring establishment will say it's not just the round the fussy there is so many people clubs the cleanest security. Everybody everybody needs props and twenty five cents apiece or primarily. I wait like you say it would move those numbers on an kyle. Gender thing on this. I agree with everything. Said I'll just add a few thoughts and I can see people. You know my Say let's just like clauses in and get your salary. I mean the differences that's that's lack of performance that's kind of reverse bonuses should perform better salaries lower this is just about Decency and anything about football clubs have been saved by fans of years when I go into bankruptcy and fans come together and they're the ones that financial end up supporting club soon bankruptcy and create these amazing trusts and and and keep the beauty of what those communities mean and keep the football club about your helping and standing up for each other so You know it does come back to the challenge of saying any point. These permanently players are going to play season because basically you're paying them to be ready whenever that that comes. I think the size of the salary is in the fact that that they can't afford to do this. Makes it a pretty easy thing to say? Listen these are. These are unprecedented challenging times and just like common goal and some of these other groups that players voluntarily share some of their salary to help social enterprise global causes. I mean there should be a no brainer that they find some sort of solution that the rising tide lifts all boats to say. Thank you so thank you fans thank you everyone. Thank you people that. Help US perform on the field. Everyone every day we have an intimate relationship with an IT. Let's do what we can help. Ease the burden because we don't know where the other side is on the same I think also clubs and brands and stakeholders and apparently need to start getting creative. I mean look at NBC sports and our team in producers and stuff finding ways where we can still bring value in connect with fans that were fortunate tune in every weekend. And I think a lot of these clubs could be a bit more creative with using digital channels to grab their players and others to interact with fans that are feeling the hurt right now and get an amazing moment of getting to talk with some of their star players and things like and I just think you know finances are obviously important because people really hurting out there but also connect timite. We need to come up with ways where people don't feel like they're compartmentalized in a silo with. They know why they're there but water there. We can come up with ways like this and think out of the box to to ease the pain right now. Everyone's doing a couple of practical point specs with with the compensations out players and deferrals. Obviously the deferral. They won't get paid back money. If the seasons cancelled so you'd say defer percentage for three months and the seasons cancelled a four months in the season cancelled. I want to get that money back. Which is fine. I agree completely with everyone. We will absolutely on the same page. The other difficulty is the fact that every club is in a different financial situation position. Set for instance inspiring. Some clubs have already said they're gonNA continue to pay their players. One hundred percent of their salary not laney saw all because I've got money in the Bank for various reasons other clubs lot Oslo number one of the richest clubs in the world on paper at one of the biggest wage bills so they come to an agreement and it was a struggle as well. It comes to agreement where the play is taking seventy percent reduction for a period of time. But there's a lot of caveats with that and a lot of individual cases within each conversation which I think is one of the reasons why for us on the outside. It's very easy thrust decide. What would they should have come. Through an agreements the Premier League football league F I the. Pf I should have come to an agreement and and sets about enacting miss. This they some wage. Deferral bought the reality. Is I think that you've got. You've got two extremes. You people that want salaries by more others that one less and other very specific questions that each club has so. I think the best solution would be absolutely everybody signs up to Sally Sacrifice But I think it should be a arrange as well because cynical may looks at it and things that some clubs look to take advantage of that financial situation and health over others and at the end we will have to find a way that is right for the club and maybe not judge one club doing a bit more another club doing a little bit less. Just the the principles. All every club is doing as much as I cam to keep their financial health and stability the club and that's always going to revolve around players because they're the ones that type thing you know the biggest chunk of of any clubs income so it's not the same thing but my my buddy Just real quick My buddies in the restaurant industry and there are groups of restaurants. Kind of like football clubs. Right have staff in other camps pays people. They can't produce the product anymore. They've created funds and everyone pays pays into the fund and there's donations are things and the fun then figures out how to distribute based on what you said what's needed and what group look at the financial. So there's a lot of ways they can solve this. I just hope they're trying to get to the table to figure it out. Sorry yes so I just WanNa make putting Graham Senate nine and rejection meant a point generally when we talk about family when we talk about family in reality haven't been closed. Lincoln after excels and totally wild reclosing need to think about what they can do that said consensus contrast because he's accepting subjects Maybe Compensation Casino. The day will be still looking at each south. Maybe a time when we can start to look at salaries and we're talking about close with millions. Hundreds of millions of dollars they go in and they can only fit sitting number of weeks only paying too much money. Oh is it too much money floating around? We started thinking people say on many. This is commonality. Couldn't is in jeopardy. We have to think about these. Things may be going in teachers for Change. The way football clubs remind change. Because what we're seeing. Now we've been saying I'm Lazlo signing ready eight. Nine balls of us is on the verge. You'RE SAYING GRANT. Summary Sacrifice half the happen in different way. The COPS VISIT GESTURE. Digestion goes through is that detriot Connection between the fans and the players is limited time already disconnected constitute bounce. But right now. We're witnessing doctor doing retirement and getting paid not huge Harrison. To these planets. The gesture would would go along way to just letting you will spirits and getting some hope the all in this together get back spirit obeying is to get something will carry forward in a way an accident nightmare which everybody's experiencing So let's figure that we not gestures by I. Know we will see lobster gestures hustling around and around us is well. You've been doing bright things out there in the human spirit of everything so nice thank you so much on the reading faces miss you will learn much unless do it again next week next. Wednesday morning so that everybody watching anxiously as well primarily on NBC. Cocom whatever you get costs also available for you on the NBC. School each channel. See I'd is safe everyone bye-bye.

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