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"arizona sun city" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

As It Happens from CBC Radio

08:12 min | 8 months ago

"arizona sun city" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

"As many North Americans. Start to make patio plans and dates with family and friends. There are still a lot of places where covid nineteen is just getting started. In fact yesterday, the World Health Organization recorded the biggest global one day spike in cases ever, and that increase is being driven partly by states in the US. That may thought they had dodged a bullet. One such state is Arizona on Friday. It posted a record. Three thousand, two hundred new cases and thousands more were added today. Meanwhile, doctors are pleading with the government to mandate mask-wearing and slow down the reopening of the state. Mortar doctor is an emergency room doctor. We reached him at work in Phoenix Arizona. Aktar we know the numbers of new cases in the United States of covid. Nineteen are going up could just tell us what what does look like in your emergency room? Yeah, we're definitely seeing an emergency department. We are getting a lot more patients than just a month ago. and not only getting a lot more patients. They're also looking sicker and they have a lot more respiratory complaints, so for example cough shortness of breath fever body aches your typical Kobe like complaints and on my last shift, every patient tested everyone was positive. It's concerning and you haven't seen that. Since the crisis began at that intensity correct. Yeah, no, when everybody was hearing on the News New York for example I, definitely even other countries. We were doing okay or so it felt like you know we had stay at home orders which I think when a place fairly early, which is probably a good thing, and then what ended up happening is. Is over the last couple of weeks which a lot more patients part of that was expected as a stay at home was released, but a particularly seeing a surge of Kobe cases, and that's state data. I'm personally seeing it. In Carmen, these mostly older people so I will say this coronavirus, all age ranges okay. Everybody is susceptible to it, but if you look at the data and. People who are above sixty five and have Kovic are fifty eight times more likely to die than somebody who was under forty five colon, Fifty, eight, not five, eight, fifty eight. And so you can imagine how rough this is for the. And, so we'll make concerning is when they're say a twenty five year old who thinks he's immune because he's young healthy for one, he's not I'm seeing twenty five year olds in the ER or sit, but on top of that the concern is even if he feels immune, he's passing his germs onto other people now, and for example for the elderly they are. Are So so so much more likely to dive Kobe when they're infected that younger people and we have these patients in Arizona. There are a lot of Canadians in Arizona Sun. City is basically Canada mini candidate year. Okay, so we have a lot of Canadian patients who weren't able to go back to Canada because of the pandemic and have sort of stuck here. And they're really really at risk. We are hearing of course interviews with people in Arizona Young People streeters as they call them. Saying look. We don't want to wear masks. One Young Fellow said that he had found me members who had had the virus, but well he would wear a mask, but he wouldn't want to be doing that while he was out having fun, so is that an attitude? You hearing in the? State! Yeah. We're hearing it and I I was young and dino at energy wants to but I. don't think I. was ever this level of selfish? I mean to say listen I feel good. I WANNA be around friends and I don't care. Care, what happens to older people that may be in contact with is so ridiculously selfish as I said before kindergarteners have more empathy, it's really crazy, and so to say listen I, understand the mass can be important, but I'm just not going to wear it. is very selfish, because the purpose of is not just personal protection, but to protect others as well. We live in a society so unless you're a hermit to say I'm going to wear masks utterly selfish to what degree though. There cues people getting their cues from your own leaders. This high up is the president who has repeatedly downplayed the significance of this disease and at a rally in the weekend, said that the only reason there are more cases is that they're doing more testing and that he's actually asked them to reduce the number of testings in order to reduce those numbers wh. What do you make of the leadership you've got? Boy There are so many things to respond to just in that question, so for what My wife's a first and second grade schoolteacher, right? She always tells me that the most important thing for teaching is modeling at every parent knows this. If you tell your kid not to cheat not to lie, and not to be mean, but at the same time you're lines, your family members. Members as a parent. You're cheating on your taxes and you'll be mean to the store clerk. Clearly, those kids aren't going to learn good values, and similarly, when politicians say one thing, a model and other, even if Donald Trump or governor abuse, your whomever you want to speak about says listen mask can be helpful, but they themselves don't wear it. That sends the message at you know. It's all that important. Even if the words are saying are different, there's a lot to be said about modeling, good behavior, and and we the data to show it because when Arizona has stayed home orders, patients were much less likely to come in a hospital so much, so like said that we would potentially concerned that there were staying at home to aggressively and there. There was a lot less traffic. There were a lot less people going to stores, etc, people listen people listen the government officials and so to say that you know I'm I'm going to recommend that you guys businesses yourselves what we you know. We're not gonNA. Do it. Ourselves really sends a bad message to people and I'll tell you I'll tell you dirty secret. I've got physician. These physicians who wants to stay at home orders were released by Governor. They started saying Oh. Great One. Can we hang out? Let's have people over for a pool. Party these are physicians saying that so you can imagine if you physicians data can't keep up with distancing themselves how expecting patients in population to do the same. You signed a letter to Governor Doug Ducey the Arizona Governor asking him to mandate mask wearing. Has He responded so what the governor didn't stay Zona was to basically let the marriage decide you know. The United States has sort of federal attitude and so I in this case played itself out to the extreme with president passed on the buck to the governor's. That governor passed onto buck to mayors, and as you can imagine that can go on endlessly until it breaks down. If you let everybody decide for himself. at this. In this case at the city level, the only way that really works nobody from one city travels to another city 'cause the krona virus knows no state borders. It definitely knows no city borders, and so the trend the virus transmits between cities and the people commuting between these cities, so I mean I think it's not going to. To be as effective nearly is as if the whole state had orders to wear a mask, but he basically let the mayor's decide for themselves, in which we'll just see, it plays out okay, and but as you can imagine if one person wears a mask and person. B. Doesn't pretty quickly that breaks down. Do you expect him to act on your request to where people were masks? I can't speak for the governor. I don't know what he'll do I'm assuming it has multiple factors at play here. Maybe the numbers served even more already so bad that if he hasn't already acted I I can't imagine lose something different, but perhaps the numbers state about or get worse. Maybe he'll make a different call but I really don't know all I stewed. Speak to his the science of Edison behind it as political decisions. We just we just hope people make the decision that we think are best. Doctor will leave it there. It sounds very concerning I appreciate you telling US giving us an update on what's going on in Arizona. Thank you. Hey. Thank you so much for having me. Stay safe all right, thank you. Bye, Take Care Bye! Mortazavi actor is an emergency room doctor. We reached him at work in Phoenix. When we say someone is like a bull in China shop. We don't mean they're. Linking elegantly around speaking in hushed tones about the exquisite delicacy of a gravy boat, we mean their clumsy and destructive like bulls. But our stories from the archives tonight suggests that maybe we have those huge animals, all wrong sure are.

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"arizona sun city" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

As It Happens from CBC Radio

07:57 min | 8 months ago

"arizona sun city" Discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

"As many north, American start to make patio plans and dates with family and friends. There is still a lot of places where covid nineteen is just getting started in fact, yesterday, the World Health. Organization recorded the biggest global one day spike in cases ever and that increase is being driven partly by states in the US that may have thought. They dodged a bullet one such state. Is Arizona on Friday. It posted a record. Three thousand, two hundred new cases and thousands more were added today. Meanwhile, doctors are pleading with the government to mandate mask, wearing and slow down the reopening of the State Morteza October is an emergency room doctor. We reached him at work in Phoenix, Arizona. Actor we know the numbers of new cases in the United States of covid nineteen are going up. It could just tell us what what does that. Look like in your emergency room. Yeah. We're definitely seeing emergency department. We are getting a lot more patients than just a month ago. and not only we're getting a lot more patients. They're also looking sicker and they have a lot more respiratory complaints, so for example cough shortness of breath fever body aches your typical Kobe like complaints and on my last shift, every patient tested everyone was positive. It's concerning and you haven't seen that. Since the crisis began that intensity correct, yeah ad when everybody was hearing about on the news in New York, for example, and definitely even in other countries we were doing okay or sort of felt like we had stay at home orders, which I think winning a place fairly early, which is probably a good thing, and then what ended up? Happening is over the last couple of weeks. We're seeing a lot more patients. Part of that was expected as a stay at. At home order was released, but particularly seeing a surge of Kobe cases, and that such as state data. I'm personally seeing it in the merge department. These mostly older people so I. I will say this coronavirus hits. All Age ranges okay. Everybody is susceptible to it, but if you look at the data in Arizona, people who are above sixty five and have covert are fifty eight times more likely to die than somebody who was under forty, five has cope fifty eight, not five to eight fifty eight. And so you can imagine how rough this is for the elderly, and so we'll make concerning is when they're say a twenty five year old who thinks he's immune, because he's young and healthy for one he's not I'm seeing twenty five dollars in the Er or sit, but on top of that the concern is even he feels immune. He's passing his germs onto other people now and for example for. For the elderly, they are so so so much more likely to dive Kobe when they're infected. The younger people and we have a lot of these patients in Arizona. There are a lot of Canadians in Arizona. Sun City is basically Canada mini candidate year. Okay, so we have a lot of Canadian patients. who weren't able to go back to Canada because of the pandemic have been sort of stuck here. And they're really really at risk. We are hearing of course interviews with people in Arizona Young. People streeters as they call them. Saying, look, we don't want to wear masks threat with their friends. One Young Fellow said that he had found me members who had had the virus, but well he would wear masks, but he wouldn't want to be doing that while he was out having fun, so is that an attitude you hearing in the State Yeah we're hearing it and when I was young and. And you know at energy wants to, but I don't think I was ever level of selfish. I mean to say listen I feel good. I WANNA be around friends and I. Don't care what happens to older people that may be in contact with is so ridiculously selfish before kindergarteners have more empathy, it's really crazy, and so to say listen I understand mass. Mass can be important, but I'm just not going to wear. It is very selfish because the purpose of mass is not just personal protection, but to protect others as well. We live in a society. Must Your Hermit to say I'm not going to wear masks utterly selfish to a degree. Though are they getting their queues? People getting their cues from your own leaders this. This high up as the president who has repeatedly downplayed the significance of this disease, and at a rally in the weekend, said that the only reason why there are more cases that they're doing more testing and that he's actually asked them to reduce the number of testings in order to reduce those numbers wh. What do you make of the leadership you've got? Boy? There are so many things to respond to just in that question, so for what My wife's a first and second grade school teacher, right? She always tells me that the most important thing for teaching is modeling at every parent knows this. If you tell your kid not to cheat not to lie, and not to be mean, but at the same time you're lines, your family members as a parent. You're cheating on your taxes and being mean to the. The store clerk, clearly, those kids aren't going to learn good values, and similarly when politicians say one thing, but model another, even if Donald trump or governor, your whomever you want to speak about says listen, mass can be helpful, but themselves don't wear it. That sends the message that you know. We don't think it's all that important. Even if the words are saying are different, there's a lot to be said by modeling, good behavior, and and we have the data. Data to show it because when Arizona has stayed home orders, patients were much less likely to come hospital so much like I said that we will potentially concerned. There were staying at home to aggressively and there was a lot less traffic. There were a lot less people going to stores, etc, people listen people listen to government officials, and so to say that you know I'm GonNa. Recommend that you guys distancing yourselves what you know. We're not gonNA. Do it. It, ourselves really sends a bad message to people and I'll tell you I'll tell you a dirty secret and I've got physician friends. These are physicians who wants to stay at home. Orders were released by the governor. They started saying oh great. When can we hang out? Let's have people over for a pool party. These physicians saying that so you can imagine if you physicians data can't keep up with distancing themselves. Holloway expecting patients in population to do the same. You signed a letter to Governor Doug Ducey, the Arizona Governor. Asking him to mandate mask wearing, has he responded? So what the governor didn't on what's to basically let the marriage decide you know? The United States has asked federal attitude, and so I in this case it played itself out to the extreme with the president passed on the buck to the governor's. The governor passed onto buck to the mayors. As you can imagine, that can go on endlessly until it breaks down. If you, let everybody decide for himself. at this in this case at the city level, the only way that really works is if nobody from one city travels to another city 'cause the coronavirus virus knows no state borders. It definitely knows city borders, and so the the virus transmits between cities, and the people are commuting between these cities so I mean I think it's not. Not going to be as effective nearly as the whole state had orders to wear a mask, but he basically let the marriage side for themselves, in which we'll just see the plays out. Okay, but as you can imagine if one person wears a mask and person B. Doesn't pretty quickly that breaks down. Do you expect him to act on your request to people to wear masks? I can't speak for the governor. I don't know what he'll do I'm assuming he has multiple factors at play here. Maybe if the numbers served even more, they're already so bad that if he hasn't already active I, I can't imagine who different, but perhaps the numbers state about or get worse may become a different call but I. I just really don't know all. I can still speak to his the science of medicine behind it as for political decisions, we just we just hope people make the decisions that we think are best. To occupy will leave it. There sounds very concerning i. appreciate you telling. US giving us an update on what's going on in Arizona, thank you. Hey. Thank you so much for having me. Stay safe all right, thank you. Bye, Take Care Bye! Mortaza doctor is an emergency room doctor. We reached him at work in Phoenix. When we say someone is like a bull in a China shop. We don't mean they're. Linking elegantly.

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"arizona sun city" Discussed on MyTalk 107.1

MyTalk 107.1

07:59 min | 1 year ago

"arizona sun city" Discussed on MyTalk 107.1

"Listening Donna and Steve on my talk one of seven one everything entertainment on this please the only Thursday morning it is just a light snow yeah it's going to stop by then the next forty five minutes so gone I'll be good I know right how you doing you know doing great I thought the first segment sucked that's funny yeah because our old traffic I can he said you know what that first segment was fantastic good regulations banning glad you enjoyed it okay are you mad because Ryan was suggesting that you leave your house earlier you know so it is kind of bad mouth and you I heard I heard him the thought when I woke up this morning I defended you by the way thank you very much to Iraq when I woke up this morning which I totally forgot that there was any so we don't have any internet at home right now we don't have any TV at home right now we just have boxes everywhere even whether I I do the phone with the weather app you know I think there's something about the TV is just like it's on and then you hear the older buzzing Hey there forget tonight's weather blob of charm so it's just not as front facing I get it then last night I get home and you you know go over and just doing work at the house that we're selling also doing that all night when I get home though we unpacked boxes than in the middle of the night we have let's see I have a child who comes to my bed side that I have a bloody nose okay great let's attend your bloody nose at one of the morning again I have another child who way seventh one now I don't know what time for three some doesn't matter wakes up she has the flu right now we we thank our trying to figure out the doctor has had a fever for six days I'm sorry Sir we go we we help that situation she needs water she needs things and then we have this little baby little baby ota who just wakes up throughout the night had a particularly tough night stuff stretch last night on bubble so those things combined with me just totally not thinking about the weather when I looked to see how long is it going to take me I was thinking is this will say like fifty minutes since I got Thursday only forgetting and not like seeing massive snow right and and it took me over an hour and a half to get here and so that was an unanticipated blow I think we need to move the station closer to your home I have some thoughts but you know I apologize to you guys no it's not because you don't want that I feel I feel better particularly overwhelmed current schedule state of life so you just got to figure out how can this work because these brick an hour and a half to needs are doing me great they're out to any greater not doing the show great if I'm late that's not nice to you guys at all and like you said I can be up prepping in the six o'clock hour but you know I don't know maybe like slows down I don't know I don't know I don't well I can tell you this Steve Patterson mmhm things are gonna be all right don't you worry about it the average is get to particularly frustrated points though we just think well sums gotta give yeah you know but good idea Ryan you're right I should leave earlier Hey you know I'm here for you buddy yeah I love you I appreciate it's a good tip that's a good tip and you're right okay you want to move on yeah let's make it right eight so I got something I get some stuff done I just want to tell you that well a couple of things actually want to talk to you about vitamin C. vitamin B. did you know that Miller cores new hard seltzer has thirty times more vitamin C. than an orange yeah go on hi it's a seltzer cold Visy and every can has tons of vitamin C. about thirty times more than an orange it's not gonna launch until March it's going to come in for mashup flavors black cherry lime blueberry pomegranate strawberry kiwi and pineapple mango that sounds disgusting hello good and in the delicious I don't like felled Sir I don't know because it's not sweet enough there I said it is seltzer like look Roy yes yeah white Kalaw yeah okay hilarity of look yeah it's more Tang yeah I see your hand like a large or I should say I think it's more tart then it is sweet I would rather drink water you know I don't like water I've never been a fan of water yeah I see how infrequently I drink water wow yeah how frequently IP I know it's very interesting and I've gone through phases right did the gallon challenge string three you got a drink through acts amount and the day after all sorts of challenges they destroyed me I can't do anything appeal to I'm sorry man sorry it's not your fault Hey we got this did you know if you're sick and kids I got a place for you to go Sun City Arizona Sun City Arizona is but to my knowledge the only place in America where kids are banned it's a retirement community that they take it very seriously in Sun City Arizona so it's like not like just a retirement apartment complex it's a retirement community you know what I mean yeah like park in also be sure to get your kids outta here fact kids are allowed to visit their grandparents but only for nine days Max which is a long long time to say nine hours no doubt by sundown but still that feels like that's a bold thing for a city to say no kids eight Ahmad discriminatory how would you feel if somebody said no seniors right loved flip that you're good at looking at these in the reverse way because you're you you've even defended or or spoken out against reverse ageism yeah I mean making fun of millennials you know but when they say okay boomer we get real offense it you know yeah we defensive where what's the difference either way it's it's age discrimination thank you on August we have time for this you know woods county Minnesota no matter which county Minnesota it is further north than any other county in the United States because Alaska doesn't have counties you know you got me on that because I was going to go impossible it's couple trailers has come out in the last couple of days including surviving R. Kelly party to talk about that and also something fun that Ryan and I are both very excited about will tell you about it when we come right back on my top one of seven one my top twenty seven when.

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"arizona sun city" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

AA Beyond Belief

14:46 min | 1 year ago

"arizona sun city" Discussed on AA Beyond Belief

"Area he'll tell us about the upcoming conference. It's all right. I'm here with Gary s from somewhere in Arizona. Where are you from Gary in Arizona Sun City West on Sensiti West? Okay Okay and you're here to give information about the upcoming secular. Aa Conference in Arizona. Would you give us a little a little bit of information. Mation about a first of all. Where is it and win as well? It's at nine thirty in the morning. Starting on November nine at the Twenty Fourth Street Conference Center in Phoenix Arizona. Is this the third conference that you've had yes. It is their biennial. So we alternate her name with the internationals. Okay would you like to give us a little history behind the conferences. I guess that you've been to all of them. I have indeed. Yes I I we had just moved to Arizona from the San Diego area just just prior to the twenty fifteen conference and so I was able to attend that one and actually it was one of our meeting conferences when we first arrived my wife tonight. Virtually all of the secular meetings were on the east side so when we live on the far west side so the first thing we did was initiated. A couple the meetings here on the west side and in that plugged into the community which is growing thankfully the twenty fifteen conference had four different panels and there was a speaker on on starting a waft meeting twenty seventeen we we did it again and our topic material was updating. We have a tendency to update for the upcoming internationals nationals. Because as I said we enter alternate with those and then we seventeen. We talked about the secular steps in how people work the steps in a secular environment. However Har- people sponsored and what is the role of connection in the recovery community in our guest speaker? That one was Joe Joseph Toronto our now. We're getting ready for this year's so we've kind of picked up a format format that we're using and that's that's kind of what we're doing. We have someone from the international or the upcoming international national and and a author from the secular community well with pat along with panels which in turn allow us to you know. They're kind of falling in place. It takes a little time to get a conference system setup but I think we're finally dialing Yeah you guys have done a really good job you know I imagine it is it is. It does take a lot of work to put one of these together and am glad to see that there are more of of these regional conferences happening. I mean the ones that I know of now are wanting the gateway conference that takes place in Washington state the Arizona's regional conference conference. And now the the Ontario Conference. We've got three. That I know of that are regional conferences. And it would it would be nice to see others. Come on I like the the regional conferences. Because they're more intimate and usually the locations are such that it's easier to you know interact with people and it's not like you're in in like one place all the time you're having a unique then you this time year. It looks really nice. I was looking at it online. You're using conference center in Phoenix next. Is that right correct. And in the past we've been using a public libraries which which are nice except there's there's a lot of peripheral horrific Noise and activity going on so this season I had the opportunity. We started a little earlier so I was able to actually walk fine. What is this Conference Center and charing the committee this year and it's have some experience in doing things like that original service structure of am? Ah so that's allowed me to kind of insert the fortunate things about that formatting that kind of formatting we've been able to bring online into into this so it seems to be working quite well. This House's center is relatively small. It's a big auditorium or anything like that. I I believe that room maxes out at about one. Hundred forty is but it's got kitchen facilities and things that not everything has had in the past. So that's that's helping. We know so. We just did something. Kansas City not too long ago we had JOE AC- come down for an anniversary celebration and we used a facility that Holds about a hundred people. Maybe and that was that worked out really well for us because we had we had less than one hundred people so there was plenty of room for for everybody every body so I you know you don't really need a huge place depending upon the size of the crab. What kind of crowd are you expecting this year? We've we've been getting just shy of a hundred in the past and so this year we've been shooting for one hundred twenty or so and you know that's always contingent registrations. Who hears about this? I think getting the word out is is one of the great challenges. Having come from the San Diego Area I was was able to plug into some of that community so I hope to see some of those folks and and our community here. Phoenix is growing but like most things things in the community. It's everything in a has a glacial pace things growth growth in a anything anything new in a in which there seems to be a tendency to resist new things so it takes time you know. It's pretty amazing Kerry. I'm just looking at the website of the the secular. Aa Groups in Arizona. And there's a lot of them a lot we like. Sap soon as soon as we hit town we started voted to on the west side. The free thinker meetings but they're very small and persevere and it's Sometimes during in summer particularly they're very small because the Phoenix area population changes dramatically in the season. Where I live this small community that I live has probably sixteen thousand people during the summer and more like thirty five thousand during the winter? We'll get that on off thing because a lot of a lot of Canadians. North people in snow country and has been there winter's here so so all of a sudden our our population goes and but during during the during the summer you know. There's we have a few meetings in Phoenix area that are actually quite large consistently and so it's it is indeed growing but like Azad during this for a few decades now and I've if watched other committees and sectors of the fellowship and whenever something new you know if you're if you're established after ten or fifteen fifteen years you make a good time so so it's a it's a real patients game but I do believe that the secular community dirtiest growing we are a microcosm of the macrocosm in terms of population. So if you look at the. US population what happens in the fellowship. visit reflection of that. That's right. We are reflection of the greater society. Aren't we absolutely if you look at this statistic as moving forward were there more and more secular people within the US just in general and consequently we will inevitably grow in the row so then it becomes a matter of finding each other and we are pretty well accepted now Within the greater community I think for the most part I know we certainly are Surrey. And I I bet you are in zone two but it's no big deal to have a AA meeting without the prayer in increasingly. It's it is indeed getting better. There's there are people who can't handle. The lack of formatting sometimes are the formatting that they are not accustomed to but but I know our intergroups for instance are supported when we want literature. Or we you know a day. They helped us with our insurance for the confidence and everything One of Arina groups and more and more we are accepted and you know when we had our even in Kansas City. It just happened like a few weeks ago. there were some people from just regular traditional. Aa Groups to that showed up. So it'd be Kinda Nice if you could draw some people from other groups to within the within the Phoenix area. That aren't necessarily thoroughly. Secular noticed. Actually one of our topics this year is dogma and ritual in secular a and another others tolerance within secular. Because we have they're all ages in general has has the tendency towards zealotry. Sometimes I was kinda around when when secular age just started in a and chew often we we we had people who were willing to bash the traditional community and and so that frightened people away. I think there's less and less you. You don't think a lot of people who were secular came in with perhaps bad attitude about the non secular communities. Ma Shaw took got the opportunity. They the shot. Yeah my theory behind that. Is You know they always say that. A new. Aa meeting is started from resentment. Started with a resentment at a coffee pot. And I and I think a lot of our secular meetings started out of resentment for a bad experience that someone had with another Aa meeting so they learned about a secular meeting and I and they started it and then the people that would come to it were people that were already already had an experience with Aa but maybe a negative one because they were atheists and they didn't feel welcomed they're at their home groups the former home groups so I think that in the beginning of these groups starting there was a lot of talk about what a was like for these people we we experienced that in Kansas City when we start our meeting way after about a year of meeting we had people from other. Aa Groups started coming to our meeting and they had to vent about their experience of of with these other groups But then what happened with us and I think this might be happening in other areas too is the people that had had that experience or pretty much done venting and the newer people that are coming in. We're finding people coming into our meetings that have never gone to a previously. They don't have an. They don't have a negative experience with a with a traditional group to complain about the only way they know is a secular a meeting they. I do believe that's very that's increasingly true. And because we get new people who are. I've never come to a because I heard about all all I heard was the God thing and all I could see was the God thing in. It's just not who I am. So they they see the word for instance free thinker or Nostitz Austin can and so they we are indeed their very first experience and so they don't have to go through that curve serve sober ninety and had people who would take their index finger pointed in my face and say get caught her die. I and my sponsor who was a guy and was very very tolerant. Mike belief system. I never once tried to prostate allies with me. He just Sake Zayd Gary. Some of us are sicker than others. And Debbie. Kinda shrug it off. Don't worry about these people any of room for you but I was very very very fortunate in that experience because had I gotten zealot Proselytizing Zealot I may. Well have just left. Let's go through. Let's go through the the The venue the new but rather Arnold the program what you've got going on. So the keynote speaker is Geoffrey Munn. Who's the author of staying sober without? God Yes Jeff. Jeffrey will be our keynote speaker. And then he'll he'll be speaking about his experience Orient as well as He's had the opportunity to interact with the community as well and we'll also great go from a Mile Washington. DC will be kind and talking to us about the upcoming next year's conference in DC and then in terms of the way we do as people check in in register and so we have a series of speakers and or panels. Finals kind of stagger. Those and we'll have panel discussions. This year's panels are dogma and ritual and secular A. Hey tell me about that do you know much about what that entails. Yes actually I. I believe what's going on there is that there's we're we're I think we're trying to resist become a dogmatic as some of the other meetings are traditional meetings. have become over the years where you have this reading this set patter and and so. I think we're trying to keep the doors open to new ideas because of the resistance to to dot and and sometimes it's it's like I'm. I'm grateful that I believe that. Nearly every meeting. The Phoenix area has has a different formatting on some level somewhere and with meeting journ which is what we do on the west side with the free thinker meetings. WE THANKS FOR COMING MEETING NEW JERSEY NEXT DOOR. Now turn your phone back on. And there are others others said that choose to end with the responsibility statement and and and the the the circling up process so many of us came into the fellowship and Si- nationally and not everybody's comfortable with that not everybody wants to hold hands. You know it's about about being open to that. My wife Rosa..

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