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Everything is Meh

Armstrong & Getty

38:04 min | 3 months ago

Everything is Meh

"In the first game of the day tom brady and tampa bay jumped out to a big lead and then hold held on to beat green bay. Thirty one to twenty six. This will be tom. Brady's tenths time going to the super bowl. I mean look. I chose another career. Path will never know how many i have gone to ten super bowls. Starting quarterback is absolutely amazing. If i thought he had a chance of winning yesterday on watch some of the game the chance. Yeah i was shocked. Then the chiefs you know they. They got down nine. Points just stomped the bills. Sorry bills mafia. I feel kinda bad for their long-suffering bills fans seeing a lot of this super bowl is iota versus baby. Yoda means going around. Goodwin's nice this could be a good old fashioned stomping couldn't it what's what's the line on it so far that i don't know yet well i thought that meat packers were going to stop the max for her that although gosh darn it that the chiefs are so good on both sides of the ball. So you're predicting the kansas city chiefs defense will kill tom brady. I'm not predicting it. But it's at fifty percent likely that he dies right. I don't know what i mean. Obviously you can substitute. Is there like an extra time outer fifteen yard penalty for killing the quarterback. But he's an old man jack. It's fragile. chiefs are favored by three. That's all a slight favourite. Wow and the bucks are at home. I predict you're gonna see loads of money flow to the chief in that line changes the jets and like not just one chief all of them. Betting line will change too many chiefs. Non-indians turns out the president's gonna get impeached again. More on that to come. We got this. I'm just gonna read this text. That's so funny jack. I went through my pickpocket stage in fifth grade. I love hearing about your boys going through the same stages. I did from botulism mike who texts and emails. Yeah my kids are into a pickpocketing thing right now interesting On the go kart dune buggy thing. My kids got for christmas. My son rolled it yesterday so glad i was enforcing the helmet seat. Harness rules actually rolled it. The the cage hold up. The kitchen is nice. He was supposed to do and everything. Yeah he was trying to act like he was unhappy about it but he was clearly thrilled but he had rolled it and couldn't wait to tell us for him which is what it's like to be an eleven year old boy. Yeah yeah I think donald trump had a really good weekend in terms of making it clear that he is still a very powerful person the arizona republican party rather than wondering. How did we lose How did we lose to a democrat for the first time since bill clinton And you know fighting. The claiming. The election was towing and everything i got. No they They rehired the woman that was in charge of the challenging the election and And some sort of weird state censure. Vote on anybody who went along with claiming that abidin one so they reasserted not now this we are. We made the right decision and all the things we say we stand by. Wow and this What this is all based on the fact that you look at the polls are still like eighty percent approval within the republican for donald trump. So you know. That's very high rand. paul was on. Abc this week with george stephanopoulos. Yesterday george stephanopoulos throws out. What i think was supposed to be kind of a quick softball question. And then okay. We move on rand. Paul challenges on them. Because i believe rand. Paul seeing the polling in the state of kentucky and if he says no no no trump lost. There's nothing to see here. He's gonna get challenged and quite possibly losing his own state but this is how it went. This is gone along. And we'll dip in and out of it senator. Paul limited begin with the threshold question for you i. This election was not stolen. Accept that fact. Well what i would say. Is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur. We never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing which is procedural way of not actually hearing the question there were several states in which the law was changed by the secretary of state and not the state legislature to me. Those are clearly unconstitutional. And i think there's a there's still a chance those actually do finding work their way up to the supreme court courts traditionally and historically don't like to hear election questions but yes whether people who voted twice where they're dead. People voted where illegal aliens who voted. Yes and we should get to the bottom of. I'll give you an example in my state. When we had a democrat secretary of state she refused even under federal order to purge the roles of illegal voters. We got a republican secretary of state and birds. The role senator paul difference in those times there. No no no election is perfect but there were eighty six challenges filed by president trump and his allies in court. All were this mitch. Every state certified the results. Yasser not investigation spend recounts the department of justice led by william bar said there's no widespread evidence of fraud. Can't you just say the words this election. I would suggest is what i would suggest. Is that if we want. Greater confidence in our elections and seventy five percent of republicans agree with me is that we do need to look at election integrity and we do need to see if we can restore confidence in the election's shown percents republicans agree with you because they were fed. 'cause jack i think you're absolutely right. It is about. I mean if you're a republican politician you just chuck trump under the buzzer. Say it was a fool and he lost fair and square. Whatever you're gonna you're gonna get hurt because the poll numbers but listening to rand in the randy man so often really expresses what i'm thinking. Pretty well He i i think we have a serious problem in this country in that people a think voting has gotten really fast and loose. Whether it's the mail out stuff for the you can't cleanse the voter rolls or vote. Harvesting is legal in california. For god's sake i mean. People are losing their faith in the fidelity of the vote and and he's just now granted he's doing a little fancy tack dancing. But he's saying we have to drill down on this stuff or we lose republicans. People don't have faith in elections. He gets into stephanopoulos. A little for liberal bias. Here well seventy. Five percent of republicans agree with you because they were fed a big lie by president trump and his supporters. Say the election was stolen. Why can't you say well. I think you make a george. George george where you make a mistake is that people coming from the liberal side like you. You immediately say everything's ally instead of saying there are two sides to everything. Historically what would happen is if. I said that i thought there was fraud. You would interview someone else. Who said there wasn't but now you insert yourself in the middle and say the absolute fact. Is that everything i'm saying is alive. I said what the president said was alive because said hold on. He said the election was stolen. This election was not stolen. This election results were certified. In everything counts recounts. You're saying that absolutely it was you're saying there was no fraud and it's all been investigated and that's just not true i. It's not what i said. Sir i said the department of justice found no evidence. I finished my say. It's a high. They were all liars. You're just simply saying we're all liars. I said it was the lie that being election was stolen. You're right were wrong. Well let no well. Let's let's talk about the specifics of it in wisconsin. Tens of thousands of absentee votes had only the name on them. And no address. Historically those were thrown out this time they weren't they made special accommodations. Because they said. Oh it's a pandemic and people forgot what their address was so they changed the law after the fact that is wrong. That's unconstitutional. And i plan on spending the next two years going around state to state. And fixing these problems that i won't be cowed by liberals in the media who say there's no evidence here and you're a liar if you talk about election fraud. No let's have an open. Debate is a free country. There's there is no widespread evidence of election fraud that overturned the results that was stated as well by the end. Where he he re doesn't answer the question rand paul but i i think rand paul is absolutely right. That it's gone so far at this point that if you even try to bring up any of the The problems with our election system. You're considered part of the crowd. That stormed the capital. And you're accused of perpetrating. The big lie which they cleverly wink at each other. Because that's out gurgles and nazi germany tar conservatives as nazis again i hope behind the scenes that the you know lawyers can actually look into our elections and make them even better next time around. Because i'm all for that Stephanopoulos gave him one more chance to answer the question. Here i asked you a very simple question. Was the election stolen or not. I think there was a great deal of evidence of fraud and changing of the election laws illegally and i think of thorough investigation is warranted. So he's not going to say not a simple question at all it. A grossly oversimplified question demanding a yes. No where neither one is appropriate. Well attorney general says. The election wasn't stolen. aren't they talking specifically just talking about two different things and meteorology wants to talk about what the other person's talking about yeah. I think that's fair. I one of the reasons that rand paul is tap dance in the way he is around whether it quote unquote the election was stolen. Is that you know as a guy watched a lot of football If you know that stupid stupid rule in football where if guy catches it in bounds and he steps out of bounds and he stumbles than he's fifteen yards out of bounds hits the ground new drops the ball where he did not completely process ulta catch. I mean those stupid rules that they change every year if the refs get that wrong and it doesn't affect the outcome of the game all the energy behind reforming that rule goes away if it affects a big game. Suddenly people are more invested in changing that rule. The rule was every bit as stupid when it didn't affect the outcome. But you just you lose the energy. And i think what randy san and is a guy who loves this country and the constitution and the republic. I'm with them. If we don't really examine our voting practices in this country and in each state The way we vote how easy it is to vote vote harvesting the rest of if we don't take a serious serious look at that we're gonna lose the republic because people are going to have faith in our elections and maybe rand thinks the only way we keep up. That energy is to say affected the result of the game. Good me and and i'm all for making the rules as as fair and clear and transparent as possible. I also think he thinks he would get challenged if he said the election wasn't stolen vega. That's true the ten republicans that voted for impeachment. All have challenges already. They're all being primary already. And you saw what they didn't arizona and they're trying to boot loose cheney out of the leadership so i think trump is still a very powerful player within the republican party. The idea that he needs to go off and start his own party. I think he and his supporters can say one g go. Start your own party worthy party. You can't kick out. We're kicking you out the majority by far so did liz. Cheney say matt gaetz is of woman. Her spokesman said the men in wyoming. Don't wear makeup. which is so matt. Gaetz does apparently. He looks a little pretty a lot. I don't know about his makeup situation. I think everybody goes on. Tv as makeup on. Well yeah i mean. Does he wear it when he goes out nightclub. Appearances fleas a congressman from florida. He might club. And that's an odd leather shorts. I don't have any idea if you do know. Our text line is four. One five nine five k. the armstrong and getty show trouble Being able to go up against one of the one of the greatest the greatest quarterback of all time in his one hundred fiftieth super bowl. I mean it's going to be a great experience for me to go out there and get the chance to repeat and get to do it against the best. I mean it's It's up on on the side of the track check. Tom brady is not played in one. Hundred fifty super bowls or haven't even been. That's patrick mahomes. He's liar who's twenty five as the quarterback of the chiefs playing forty three year old attempting to be the only the tenth. Nfl history to win back to back championships. It's unlikely he could be a brady son if he got after early. I mean that's amazing. Forty-three and twenty five different styles to but very effective intriguing match-up jack chiefs versus buccaneers. We will not break it down. I can't break it down. I haven't watched one second of football this year. Will we take their calls. I will watch the super bowl although the ads. No coke pepsi. Budweiser julie interesting. Yeah yeah that's wild. What we we said what five years ago the whole super bowl commercial things peaked. It's clearly if it has not left the shark it's about to just they've got overblown and everybody talked about it and it is just got dumb so their price to mean significantly. Sorry there was some talk of aac corona virus baby boom. Well everybody stayed home is going to be so many more babies voice thought. That sort of thing is just so stupid i mean. Is that the way your plan your family's just whenever you get around to win it when and how many kids you have. If there were no effective methods of birth control or you didn't believe in it then. Okay maybe maybe but not even then you know we got enough kids so we're not going to do this again or whatever but well it turns out. That is a dumb idea initial stats. Show a significant drop in december twenty twenty birds. Compared to a year earlier america has entered a pandemic inspired baby bust several states that keep track of birds in near real time as well as a number of hospitals recorded significant drops in december twenty twenty birth rates compared to the same period a year. Go including florida down. Eight percent ohio down seven percent arizona down five percent eight percents a significant drop. That's huge well and doesn't this. Doesn't this ring true everybody. I know very creative artists. I asked him you. You're right and you're working on anything and everybody's like no. I just don't feel like it can't play any shows I just don't feel like it. And i think that malays come on. Now jimmy carter. There is no doubt a lot of the world is feeling the covid malays. It's a fun suck. This is a bad situation. Said a sociologist and demographer. For the university of maryland. The declines were seeing now are pretty substantial clearly also drops in google searches for pregnant seen sex related topics the drop in google searches for sex related topics that dumbest piece of information. I've ever heard. I don't think you need to go that deep if babies aren't being for the rest of it's just details. No people make long term decisions when they have confidence about the future. And if there's anything that undermines confidence about the future it's the massive pandemic. yeah. I think it's more of a people in the modern world for the most part plan families when and how many kids are going to have and now is you know. If you're thinking about it why would you jump into it now. We don't have any idea what the hospital is going to be like. We don't have any idea. I mean baby showers. Just why schools aren't open well and not to get overly poetic about it but i just think passions have been cooled for a lot of things during the. I always want to do it same level of doing. Oh boy yeah. Wow i always cool my passion. I'm sorry joe you mentioned passions he brings up doing it. I mean come on. We're we're we're talking romance. We're talking to shakespeare. The airwaves over here. I wanna do. It are still wanna do it. You want to do it. Tyrod whatever happened to seduction. Yeah thank you sean. Thank you brother but just this the shadow of birla an yeah and hug is over. Everything feel met everything. Max armstrong and getty the armstrong and getty show. You know i would say one of the biggest problems right now is. I can't tell you how much vaccine we have. And if i can't tell it to you then i can't tell it to the governors and i can't tell it to the state health officials if they don't know how much vaccine they're getting not just this week but next week and the week after they can't plan they can't figure out how many sites to roll out they can't figure out how many vaccinators that they need and they can't figure out how many appointments to make for the public so if they overshoot it then we have vaccine on the shelf. Shoot it we have. These cues and cues of people people whose appointments or cancelled and either way. We have challenges so the fact that we don't know today five days into this administration and weeks into planning how much vaccine we have just gives you a sense with the challenges we've been left with all right Biking working very hard to make. It seem like it's not their fault. They were handed disaster. I would think it would be fairly simple to call the two companies that manufacture the vaccine. That's how much have you guys sent out so far oh okay many doses shawnee just hit this real quick. It's an email. We just got from the tom lives in. Contra costa county california in the bay area took my parents both in their nineties to get their first dose today. Here's what it went like. It was not today was the other day but book an appointment via the candy website very smooth confirming email at central high expectations got to the community center in antioch. Long long line just to check in yes. We had an appointment appointments at one. Fifty one forty getting line three zero five. We finally get checked in both. My parents are with walkers as is almost everyone else in line. This is really cruel now. Told we have to get into a second line to queue up for the vaccination an hour and ten minutes later at four fifteen get called for the vaccine at four thirty eight released from vaccine after check for reaction. My parents are totally exhausted by this experience. Remember that's terror. Appointment was at one fifty and they walked out at four forty. That's incredible hours of standing in line and ninety s. That's incredible yeah. We've vaccinate millions of people every year for the flu. But when the government takes over this is what we get. dmv like experience with an employment. Just let the drug stores and doctors do this. Ugh he writes wittily. Waylon government takes care of all of health care which a lot of the country wants. Everything you do. Having a baby will be like that. It'll just be see until november. I'm doing august nowvember. The soon as we got on. What a terrible story. I know he said watching his parents suffer was really difficult. I would have lost it. Yeah yeah i know. And i think a lot of the people at the front lines are doing their damndest. They just for whatever reason they can't run this was it's not a to cooperate but they're doing a bad job running the parade. So here's the most amazing kovin stat heard over the weekend. Usc survey asking people their risk of dying from covid And a on average people thought about seventeen percent was the risk of dying from covid people in their thirties. Think it's twelve percent which is seventy times higher than the actual number in their thirties. Think it's twelve percent for themselves. Yeah great scott seventy times higher than it actually is. Wow overall people think his older people realize once more dangerous for me so it's seventeen percent which is still way out of whack from the reality. Well i mean. I thought it was like a one in five chance. I would die every time i got in my car drive really differently. Well that explains so much the policy going on in america. Of course shutdowns are going to be easy and keeping schools shut and everything else. If you're outta whack by seventy fold of how deadly it is. Yeah wow wow. What i don i guess. I'm a news junkie. And i do this for a living so i just can't get in the head space of somebody who has no idea what. The mortality rates are the conversation since february. The first thing you'd wanna know isn't it. Yeah wow wow that is mind blowing a total change of topic here Trump for all of his sins. Man he did some great stuff and we're going to see a lot of knee jerk. Anti trump stuff out of the biden administration. President biden has revoked. A trump era executive order that sought to keep foreign countries and companies out of america's bulk power system principally entities associated with the chinese communist party. You may recall. Essentially trump said no. No chinese companies are going to be part of our essential power grid nor are essential communications and cell phones or anything else the executive order which executes key tenets of president biden's climate change agenda was released the first day in office section seven of the order which includes the revocation of permit for the keystone xl pipeline which they said in the swipe of the pen eliminated ten twelve thousand union. Jobs old union. Joe thanks buddy anyway. It also revoked. Several climate and energy focused executive orders penned by trump and sub points notes that executive order. Thirteen nine twenty. You may one twenty twenty securing. The united states power systems here by suspended for ninety days. Now that smells to me like they were running up the flagpole and wanted to see if they got any reaction. Why would you suspended for ninety. We'll go ahead and have the communists power system for ninety days and see how we like it. I think they. I think they just didn't have the guts to rescind it completely. I remember in fact. I have in front of me. The original wording of the thing is quite persuasive. foreign adversaries are increasingly. Creating and exploiting vulnerabilities in the united states bulk power system which provides the electricity that supports our national defense and everything else. The bulk power system is a target of those seeking to commit malicious acts against the united states and its people including malicious cyber activities because a successful attack on our bulk. Power system would present significant risks to the economy human health safety etcetera etcetera. And so we've got to be. Why would they rescind that. So these chinese companies could make money 'cause hunters on their board o. Onnor where's i hate this move. I absolutely hate this. Move day one and this got buried in the blizzard of documents day one. He goes soft on china. In this way. I keep an eye on. There's got to be something missing there. I know i'm reading. I'm reading the the actual Executive order the ninety day suspension is strange As i said biden's son hunter was previously involved in several business relationships with f. china energy chairman. Ye zhen ming follow the bread crumbs. Jack Yes baby bust. We're talking about how are some people idiots. Were predicting a baby. Boom because people were at home. I don't have a disease or depressed because they're going. I don't know any real people who would say that. I think a lot more people are gonna be a lot more sex and then a lot more just getting pregnant go through the whole thing that is altering your life forever and your entire financial future based on the fact that your home for a few days just seems crazy me anyway. Nothing sets the mood like depression fear despair. Anyway it's turned out to be the opposite if it's anything at all people are having fewer babies based on the data. You're so tired of being around each other. So much during the lockdown union wanna make whoopie with each other. I don't know if that playing a role or not either well. Absence does make the heart. It'll fonder well if you don't know when this thing is going to end it like if if it had been when laura and i were planning on because we we had a plan pretty specifically when we want to have kids off our part all that sorta stuff how many but if this had hit like the month before we're going to do that'll pretty sure we would have changed our plan. I don't know you don't know how long it's gonna last. It's get an idea how long this is gonna last. People are scared to go to the doctor. All those doctors appointments you. Go to when you're pregnant. Oh yeah yeah early on in this pandemic and of course all we have right now is the early on numbers because he got to be pregnant for nine months. Start counting birds combined with the statue. You're talking about before how people overestimate the viruses effect on a good point. Gosh if you're staring at going to the doctor couple times a week for the next however many months right when this thing started. There's no way you wouldn't want to nail down how bad it was gonna be. Yeah you know. David just dropped a note. Note the number of young twenties in commercials on tv taking their dogs for a walk together rather than their kids a striking absence of young mothers and advertising. No money in that demo. I don't. I don't know if that's true but i found myself. I've had this reaction a couple of times completely unconsciously subconsciously. I've been conscious. I wasn't unconscious unconscious reactions. Like wedding yourself. I will see a pregnant woman and say oh. Hey a pregnant woman it's rare. I think we're gonna see shocking. Demographic numbers coming out about the first half of two thousand twenty especially. I've got my fingers crossed. I'm hoping the vaccine thing works in get past covert at some point but i think we're gonna see astounding numbers. I hope the economic numbers aren't as crazy as i expect them to be too old boy. Now these are tough times. You know there's no you know we try not to be depressing on the show. Obviously but there's no sugar coating that this is a hell of a challenging time and folks will write about our lives and how we endured it and you know our courage and the times we faltered and the the things we got right in the things we got wrong. So you know it's tough times. Everybody joined together. Let's up no. Don't huddle up social distance huddle up from a distance. God i just wanted to be over. I know and i don't even have little kids. We did Sam went to a birthday party a friend his a birthday party. I one of those long time and they did paint ball which the paintball places open because you're outdoors and wearing masks anyway the fact it was ever not open is idiocy but go on And man the kids really loved it. Is you know one of the first things they've done together as a group in a long long long long time place was packed to because it's one of the things that's opened around for anything to do places absolutely jam packed with people trying to do something other than just sit at home and watch another netflix show. Yeah my counties loosened up fairly recently. And i went to pick up thai food over the weekend. Too many noodles not enough But this place was absolutely packed. Shocked me there is a line of us waiting for our carry out orders. Every table was full of people Eating and laughing. Dining noah no masks on or anything like that. It's hard to get food through mask. And they had the plexiglas up between the tables about you know about probably two feet higher than people were sitting. And i'm thinking what i know about droplets that float through the air. They yeah they they go higher than that. I was going to shoe store yesterday. Because my sorry i i should say. I'm not faulting. Anybody you're saying you shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't have been open. It was shocking for me. See you know yeah. I went to a shoe store yesterday because of the one of our dogs ate the hung out of one of my work boots and it makes it very uncomfortable and so he's going to replace my work boots and i went to the store and there was a line out front and i thought it was for the grocery store next door but i went and not some of the people in line for the shoe store and they're only allowing to customers in it at time at the store. How bad do you need shoes. In the scenario. I waited like ten seconds and thought back some other time. I'm just not standing in line outside. The shoe store but Yeah makes it difficult to do. Business beacon we'll have to customers in your store at a time. God i'd say schuster's at tiny. The store is pretty small bouquet. I just want things to go back to normal but so does everybody else is like i tell my kids but so does everybody else in the entire world the entire frequent world. Not only not just you and your friends. Everybody in the world is sick. This so being a human being is right now. Our text line is four. One five two nine five k. Ftc the armstrong and getty show out there supporting people and we don't know why bowels to no one cong- bows to no one king kong vs godzilla. The trailer came out over the weekend. The movie comes out in march Yes coming comes out in march. The plenty of time to catch up on converse skull island godzilla king of the monsters. Those are the prequels to this monster. Verse made the backstory. I needed motivations between the character development and relief. What didn't they pass a law last week that you can't use ten for new stores. That was the most tiffany rich explosion. Even the trailer ever heard my line lizard versus monkey. What was lost in that audio version of the the trailer is the fact that industry while standing. On top of an aircraft carrier king kong punches godzilla. Right now sean. I know you're fan of the mixed martial arts. There's quite a fight over the weekend. I guess conor mcgregor scumbag connor. Yeah yeah. I guess he was all the way out. But i don't know how much track record we have. How much data we have on enormous lizard versus ape of gu of unimaginable size. So of these to own the godzilla has in the past been shown to have what can only be described as powers right. He's got like this weird dragging bougie. Yeah right right right so he. He's got that sort of stuff but in this trailer we also seeking calling using some sort of shield or like an axe thing to block. That'd be so so evil. They're using tools now. they have advanced. Tinkling is advanced that the stone age before long. He's going to be writing books. Probably podcast soon. Not only a planet of the apes planet of the gigantic ape. You'll be you'll be debating. jordan peterson. Smoking a pipe. Okay so my kids will really like that movie. Gotta check that out. Huge protests in russia. Over the weekend biggest protested happened since putin has become president than dictator. And this could be a turning point. It could be one of those you know arab spring sort of things where the momentum just gets not only going back to rutta almost being murdered then going back to russia and getting arrested than people coming out on the street yesterday now. Russia cracked down hard. They arrested violently. It says here. And i've seen some of the videos. They did violently arrest. I mean they came in swinging bats and boy non people as they put him in the wagon. And who knows where you go and how they treat you. I get into jail. At what point did they read their miranda rights. Yeah waiting egyptian style Yeah oh yeah. They arrested thirty seven hundred across the country but fifteen hundred moscow. Five hundred fifty seven in saint petersburg and one hundred. Twenty two in. Tartu stan tartar stan in the capital of kazan. Which i only know about this. Because i saw the picture over the weekend of these hundreds of people standing in the dark. Because it's dark all day. They're right now and cold where it was fifty below in celsius minus fifty celsius as they stood out there protesting. Your life is much better than theirs. If you don't have to commit that much to protesting the government gina your host job any. Hey let's get a final thought from every on the crew to wrap things up for the day there is pressing the in the control room. Look at all those buttons michelangelo michael. Yeah loved watching playoff football this past weekend and it was great about it was there was actually fans in the stadium it made. It wasn't all of them but it made. It seem more normal. I really liked it. Yeah positive sean. Our producer has a final thought. You on went from a friend tries it in the freezer to in my mouth deliciously in under fifteen minutes with my air fryer and while doing so i realized it may have been a good thing that i didn't have instant access to french fries at all hours of the day. Yeah boy if you can go from frozen french fries. Delicious french fries and ten minutes. Speaking of kids. I gotta get one of those technique. I gotta get the salting better. But you know i i can resist ordering fries but if they are in front of me i will eat them. Jack finals awkward so good Died in watch a moment of football. Which i had so i'll be all excited about the super bowl when it comes around I'm not interested in impeachment. I am pretty interested in the kovin story. So that's what. I'm keeping my eye on mostly over the next couple of days. My final thought a tad lighter after the story about the miami heat cova dogs the they actually have dogs. That can sniff whether you have cova now. The whole dogs vs cats question is over for me and i don't hate cats. I mean my son has a couple of cats positive sean. Like seven or eight but he got dogs figuring out if he got the bed if cats can be. Dogs are ninety percent accurate on that man. They got to get them all over the place de armstrong and getty wrapping up another grueling for our work so many people thanks a little time. Good armstrong and getty dot com hotlinks has scores talked about videos. That sort of thing and more you can email us mail. Bag at armstrong and getty dot com. Do you see something we ought to be talking about. Senator see tomorrow. God bless america is the athletes would say we've left all in the field and when it's over it is over. It is over. This is so ill advised. Cited the erection insurrection. By-word that is the climax of foolishness all my lawyer. It's just worry. I want to hear about your feelings. I cannot think of a more petty vindictive and gratuitous considered being good at your job when it comes on for you to go you have to go. Armstrong and getty. This podcast is brought to you by ragu. Old world style. Traditional saas agreed sas starts with the best ingredients ragu older world style. Traditional sauce is that greed sauce inspired by our founders original recipe. Ragu old world style. Traditional sauce is made with delicious ingredients including vine ripened tomatoes chopped onions. Garlic and olive oil simmered together for the authentic taste. You and your family will wanna come back to for recipes. 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They Knew But They Lied

The Young Turks

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They Knew But They Lied

"What's up everyone. Welcome to typ and a burian and nando villa with you the entire bands here ready to have a good time. Obviously lots of pretty terrible stories in the news today. But we're going to give you some smart level headed evidence based analysis on what's going on in the country will be doing an update on the economic reality for the majority of americans during the coronavirus pandemic. We don't wanna allow that story to fall by the wayside later in the show. Rex tillerson trump's former secretary of state more quarterly former. Ceo of exxon mobil is an expert apparently on foreign policy. So he'll be chiming in on that. And we'll we'll share our own thoughts. But as always super happy to be here with you guys super happy to have nando on the show nando how you doing i'm doing well doing ready to dissect the news. Let's do it. Let's dissect it so. Look we know that. There's a lot going on with The riots that took place in the capital last week. Lots of updates that story. But i do want to start off with an update on corona virus and more importantly how biden plans on tackling the economic situation. So many americans are facing today as a result of the pandemic. so let's get right to it. The death toll and economic devastation. For average americans throughout this pandemic just will not let up in fact recent numbers from the federal government. Indicate that job losses have been spiking. We noticed this last week and unfortunately the report this week is even worse so a total of one point one. Five million workers filed initial claims for state unemployment benefits during the first full week of the new year. And of course. This is based on data. That was released by the labor department. Another two hundred eighty four thousand claims were filed for pandemic unemployment assistance. And that's the emergency federal program for freelancers part time workers and other normally ineligible for state. jobless benefits before the pandemic weekly filings typically totalled around two hundred thousand. So just you know juxtaposed. How severe the situation is right. Now we're dealing with one point one five million Filed jobless claims And before the pandemic the average was around two hundred thousand on a seasonally adjusted basis new state claims totaled just under one million so nine hundred sixty five thousand and the government reported last week that the economy shed one hundred forty thousand jobs in december the first drop in unemployment since last spring with restaurants bars and hotels recording steep losses and so we're experiencing some of that here in california where restaurants are still shut down as a result of a spike in coronavirus cases in los angeles county. It was just reported that one in three people living in los angeles county have unfortunately contracted corona virus. So there is certainly an emergency here and part of the problem is the you know just the unwillingness to coordinate and have true leadership at the top with the federal government and at this point so many people are fatigued from following social distancing guidelines. Avoiding you know gathering with friends. People are still resistant to wearing masks. And the rollout for the vaccine has been a bit of a failure. We need to get as many people vaccinated as possible and because of the fact that there hasn't been a centralized effort coming from the federal government and states have been left on their own to decide how they're going to distribute the vaccine. There have been all sorts of hiccups and we're Falling behind considerably in getting as many people vaccinated as possible But nando before we get to biden's solution for all of this. I wanted to get your thoughts about where we are right now. I mean it's just it. The the ongoing emergency is just so staggering contemplate. I mean even even the numbers that you mentioned the the burden is disproportionately hurting hitting the poor. I just saw that the fed Came out one of the fed. Governors came out today. Initiative reports saying that the unemployment rate amongst the poorest americans has actually twenty percent you know so the to the extent that the current virus economic crisis is happening. It's happening disproportionately for the already poor. You know the for the most part The top say ten. Fifteen twenty percent of of workers are mostly recovered. Most people that can work from home. Do white white-collar gigs and things like that. But the the poorest americans. The poorest in the working class are seeing one in five of them are unemployed right now so it's just absolutely staggering to think about. Yeah i mean. I think it is important to point out. the difference between How white collar workers are dealing with the pandemic versus blue collar workers. I mean when you think about it the industries that have been hit the hardest. Are you know service jobs restaurants people who work at movie theaters things like that. So they're not. They don't have the ability to work from home. And the problem is further compounded by the fact that congress really failed in passing robust relief. Following the cares act. What we got from congress was a bill that was under a trillion dollars right and about round nine hundred billion and one thing that doesn't get reported enough about how how weak that relief really was is the fact that they didn't really appropriate much in new spending for that relief package. there was money left over from the cares act That they decided to repurpose which then led to that. Nine hundred billion dollar figure. I mentioned that. Because to average americans and providing the relief that they need we get nickel and dimed. We don't have a federal agency or something like the federal reserve that just comes in and bail us out We have to rely on what gets passed in congress and so far. What we've seen is is really pathetic especially You know following the cares act But joe biden has made some statements regarding what he plans on doing. As soon as he's inaugurated his first legislative goal is to pass immediate relief to americans and There is some debate about whether it makes sense for him to pursue this in a bipartisan. Way now hear me out. This is what he is proposing. So let me move onto this graphic. Give me one second. So biden is expected to pledge. Biden is expected to pledge billions of dollars to underwrite wide vaccine effort including boosting vaccine production. Very important and delivery also important creating public awareness campaigns and providing for emergency hiring in the public health sector. So what he wants to do is try to find a way to expand the number of available jobs and help relieve some of the ramifications of the pandemic simultaneously short term. Relief plan will also include an expansion of a key Child tax credit. Two thousand dollars stimulus payments for individuals. And i think this is one of the most important parts and extension of enhanced unemployment insurance through september. Those unemployment benefits are actually set to expire in mid march creating a deadline for congressional action. So nando what the debate really centers on is this idea. That biden really wants to go at this With a bipartisan framework. In mind you have people like marco rubio who say that they absolutely want these two thousand dollar checks so he says he's going to have this initial relief package and then it'll appeal to republicans. They'll vote for it and then after that he's going to push for something more robust. I want to get your thoughts on that. Because there upsides and downsides to that approach and you know people do need relief right away against my my issue would be. I think the he has to do something as quickly as possible and strikes me that making a big bill that includes the two thousand dollar checks that includes money for state and local governments that includes a child tax allowance. Which is an incredible policy. All these things like the more you include onto it the longer it will take to pass if if it could even pass at all because these things have habit of time does not work in your benefit. Can these things like the longer. The debate happens the the less of a chance of anything good happening so i would. If i were biden i would make a clean bill for just the two thousand dollar checks. Nothing else maybe. Some coronavirus vaccine funding. Because i i do believe that there are sixty votes in the senate for that. I think you can peel off. Ten republicans or eleven republicans of joe. Manchin doesn't doesn't hop onto it. I do believe it because it because of what happened in georgia which really that race turned on the clear issue of two thousand dollar checks and you have to seize that moment and something i would do. I would pass a clean bill on just the two thousand dollar check not include all this other stuff which is good stuff. don't wrong. I think that's good stuff but it only works to delay any sort of passage even even the most optimistic timelines of something like this it would be. It would be probably months before anything happens. In in in the last thing you wanna do is lose the momentum of what just happened in which we saw like the political terrain really change around this very clear discreet and specific and easily understandable issue. Which is the two thousand dollars in your pocket. While nando actually have some very good news and this is what gives me a lot of hope because really at the end of the day. It doesn't matter what joe biden strategy is and let me make my case. So i remember about a month ago. You and i had a discussion about whether or not it made sense for bernie sanders to remain in the senate where he could have made more influence in pushing by in the right direction or should he be. She continue pushing for labor secretary. In biden's cabinet. I am elated. That he stayed in the senate because the truth is if biden tries to pass a relief bill. You know there are. There's the filibuster to worry about. You need sixty senators to vote in favor of that bill to pass however when it comes to the budget committee within the senate all you need on budgetary matters is a simple majority so this is great news. And here's what we've learned bernie sanders is not happy with what's being proposed biden. And so he wants more assistance provided to americans right away he is going to be the chair of the senate budget committee and he is putting forward a massive stimulus bill That could pass under these special budget rules with a simple majority. So all you need is fifty one Senators who sign onto this now. Joe manchin could serve as an obstacle to that. We'll see but i liked that. There are two options. Here i liked that. There's you know The possibility of biden putting forward something a little more simplistic That could Appeal to republicans and pass right away but we also have that other option with bernie sanders in this powerful position within the senate So we'll see how it all plays out. But i just a feel a little bit better about policy under this new congress. I'm sure they're gonna be frustrating moments but it's so critical to have just rational people more rational people in congress that actually understand the severity of the situation for so many people you know there was just this callousness coming from republican lawmakers Especially under trump. And so we'll see how this plays out. But what do you think about the tactic. That bernie might us know the budget. Reconciliation process is something that they should absolutely used to pass all kinds of good things. And it's the kind of thing that you can use to pass things like the child tax allowance. Start the things that you will never get a single republican. Vote on you know like we. I get the sense that you can get republican votes. Probably as early as next week or the week after around the two thousand dollar. Check the the budget reconciliation process. As far as i understand it and i could be wrong because these things are super arcane and complex inside the senate like the most insane. Parliamentary body ever designed designed. As far as i understand you get like one shot a year at the budget. Reconciliation thing And so you so. The biden administration would have basically three shots right in the next three years or whatever To to pass these things you can do a lot through that and they should do as much as they can. They should pass a some sort of public infrastructure. thing to to really cause we're seeing now with the out of the vaccine just how depleted our little literal ability to do very basic things that other governments find easy to do We can't do. Like the most simple basic infrastructural demands that we would have so. There's a million good things that you they should do in the budget reconciliation process. As far as i understand it you get kind of like one shot a year to do it And so that's why. I think like do all that smorgasbord of of good policy as much as you can in the budget reconciliation process one hundred percent but i think that the two thousand dollar checks. I mean we just saw the economic numbers. I think the two thousand dollars if you pass it as a clean bill. You know if it was just that. I think that there is hope that you might get republican. Senators to vote on if you pass like this like big legislative package with all these democratic priorities on it. there's not a single republicans senate not a single one even if it included two thousand dollar checks and the republicans on record saying this but just say like oh no but it's got all the other bad stuff that i don't want i can't vote for that because it's got all this other stuff i mean that's just that happens every single time like it's like a poison pill within the bill but if you have republicans in congress poison pills yeah so that's why i would say just dare republicans to oppose a clean two thousand dollar check bill and see what they do. Y- it's so easily understandable by the public so popular. I mean it's like the polls shows plus eighty percent you know and it's something that everyone can understand you know th then it's just i don't know so that's what i would do is is is pass a clean two thousand dollars bill de republicans to oppose it and if they don't if they do oppose it then you do it through reconciliation along with the other stuff but you can do that right now. Yeah yeah no. I hear you and i think that's it's not a bad strategy so we'll see how this plays out. I do also want to note that the you mentioned how much this country is failing because the infrastructure that we're supposed to have in place has been depleted and americans are unfortunately paying the consequences of that when you look at the sheer numbers of people who have died from this virus. I'm just quick graphic that gives you those numbers. The united states has the highest case tally in the world at twenty three million and the highest death toll at three hundred eighty four thousand seven hundred eighty four or more than a fifth of the global total. By the way the numbers probably high higher at this point The united states added at least two hundred thirty thousand four hundred seventy six new cases yesterday alone wednesday and counted at least three thousand nine hundred twenty two deaths after setting a record of more than four thousand. Four hundred deaths on tuesday like the numbers are out of control staggering staggering. And it's just it's it's frustrating to see how easily people are distracted from from this crisis. I mean uh uh to us as well like it's so hard to keep up with this new cycle Which is why. I wanted that story up at the top today. But we're gonna take a break and when we come back we'll give you Some of the updates and the news that we're learning You know after the capital riots took place including some pretty powerful people not only inciting violence but engaging in the riots there have been some arrests made. I'll give you all those details when we come back as the demand for telemedicine grows so does the need for five g. meets that need. Qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g. Connectivity learn more at qualcomm dot slash invention age term. hey everyone welcome to our social break. I'm going to read some member. Comments members helped to keep us sustainable special. Thanks to all of you who have stuck by us throughout everything so let's start with progressive defender. Who says i started getting more active here. Because i am the most isolated i have been during covid. I love seeing all of the member. Names that i recognize so progressive defenders referring to our Typ community thank you so much for looking out for one another and providing some camaraderie and friendship at a time when so. Many people are isolated. Kate knicks says saw a report shared by david sirotta in cousins that biden wants to work with republicans on the stimulus package. The dem's have the house and the senate they don't need the republic's just as we feared by biden is trying to make the deals. Look i mean. I agree in being critical of biden's like delusional rhetoric about like. Oh yeah we could totally. He'll and work with republicans in this case. I think part of the reason why he's trying to pass a relief. Bill with republicans on board right away is to get money into the hands of the american people as soon as possible. But what gives me hope. As i mentioned in that story is bernie sanders. Saying no. I have a pretty powerful position within the senate and i'm gonna try to pass something more robust That would only need a simple majority Breathe reema says regarding her personal experience with the vaccine. Roll out anna calling. The rollout of the vaccine of failure is an understatement. Hospitals are scrambling to get enough people to work at the vaccination sites leaving a lot of us even more short-staffed than we already were. It's been an exhausting year in healthcare and it just gets worse. I've been working three people's jobs at work all year. Now i'm working for. I mean god i. My heart goes out to you guys. That's that's the thing that i often think about when it comes to these just deniers of what needs to be done for covid because you guys haven't gotten a break you guys have been dealing with this nonstop since the beginning of the pandemic and a lot of people in it. In hospitals nurses doctors a lot of them have contracted covid and lost their lives. So thank you for doing what you're doing. Please stay strong and we'll do our best to make sure people know about what's going on. Jim writes in and says the vaccine rollout is crazy. My wife is eligible but the catch twenty two is. There is nowhere to go to get a shot. The state's website says they're working on a list of providers then they report. Two hundred thousand doses. Unused yeah i mean it goes back to the discussion that nando and i were having about the infrastructure and one of the good things that wants to do is expand the number of jobs available By creating new healthcare jobs that specifically deal with corona virus and vaccine distribution so again We'll see how that all plays out but for now let's get back to the show where we're gonna give you updates on the fallout from the capital riots. What's up everyone. Welcome back to. Ty t. and burian and nando via with you let's give you some updates on what we're learning following the riots took place in the capital one of the more worrying aspects of the capitol hill. Rioters is the fact that learning more details about the planning and coordination that was taking place behind the scenes. A lot of pretty powerful people were involved people in law enforcement as we've talked about in the military including a psi ops officer who has resigned from her specific position within the military. And really. i mean if you're worried about Some sort of government takeover. If you're worried about the actual coup succeeding in this country you should be concerned about the number of people in positions of power. Who have been very supportive of this. So let's start off with the head of the arizona republican party She's put out some pretty terrifying messaging prior to the riots. Taking place for instance On december nineteenth kelli ward. Who is the head of the arizona. Gop fired off a tweet. Urging president donald trump to crossed the rubicon referring to the historical event that led to julius caesar declaring a dictatorship in ancient rome. The tweet was shared by former trump national security adviser. Michael flynn who by the way as we know. Michael flynn also wanted trump to consider martial law in order to steal the election on january fourth awards arizona republican party Tweeted re tweeted alley. Alexander one of the organizers of the event that culminated in the capital siege who said that he was quote willing to give my life for this fight. the arizona. Gop said he is. Are you later that day the arizona. gop also tweeted. This is what we do who we are live for. Nothing or die for something. And so we're talking about people in political positions nando. And i'll i'll describe all the other people in positions of power who engaged in this kind of stuff and we're actually in the capitol building after it was breached. But what do you make of this. I mean we had peter navarro. Just today regurgitate lies about voter fraud. And how trump had the election stolen from him. It's just they don't want well. I guess i'll also two things. I think one thing is that again. I constantly think back at this. Alex parine piece that talks about how the lunatics are running the asylum in the in the gop in that for forever for decades basically like whipped up what they would call like the rubes With like insane right wing media but now those people that believe all that stuff like it used to be at the conservatives thousand kind of re read different things from their base and now now the people who are in power in the gop Read the same insane shit that insane stuff that everyone in there so yeah the I just think about that all the time. Because it's the the consequences are are are what we've seen in the capital and what we've seen come up in the last week or so. I guess the one hope. Full thing that i will point to is that they're doing it in service of donald trump. The man like the as a political figure not in the service of any real kind of political agenda outside of him like it really is like a cult of personality in some ways and in that in many ways. That's kind of a good thing. Because he's he's not gonna be he's not gonna be he's not going to be in power anymore. You know so. They're not going to do that again with someone else. I just don't think that they're gonna find some other person that's going to replace that ability for to whip up votes in the way trump did. Yeah no i hear you. It's just that these people don't just go away right so the conspiracy theories still exist. You have conspiracy theorists within congress who are threatening to impeach biden like as soon as he is inaugurated which is more lunacy but then you look at what like who was in the capitol building who was part of the organizing and planning that took place and to be sure. This wasn't something that just organically happened on the day that it happened. This is something that was planned for quite some time right. And so There was a video that surfaced showing these insurrectionists discussing you know what their game plan was when they were inside the capitol building. We have two videos to share with you on that in later in the show But i do want to give you some more details about Lawmakers who have been implicated in this for instance west virginia state senator mike as inger who was part of the capitol hill. Riots said in a radio interview monday that he hopes president. Donald trump calls us back and added the crowds loyal to trump are quote inspiring and patriotic. He also said this. Is i think the president laid out. The point of the mission was to pressure the republican congressman to challenge the electoral votes And by the way there were at least six republican state legislators involved With what happened on january six In fact only one lawmaker though has been arrested. Not arrested has resigned. One lawmaker was known to have gone inside. The capitol and since has been charged with a crime and resigned at west virginia state delegate derek evans who resigned last saturday after day after federal prosecutors charged him with entering the us capitol. He had actually livestream himself with a mob of trump's supporters and Here's this classy fellow. Who's now going to have to deal with areas. Yeah i love the idea of like live streaming yourself while you're doing crimes like That's just the that's just the funniest thing is the funny thing ever to be. I mean i just strikes me as like you know they were. They're all disappointed. That trump didn't support them. You know and it's just like it's kind of poetically. Perfect because trump sells out. Everyone that he deals with the like he has contempt over them. Because he's a con artist has contempt for his marks right that they really hate their marks. They think that they're stupid. And they have touched. Total contempt and trump has always absolutely hated his base in some on some deep level. So it was only inevitable that he would sell them out in the moment of truth like they were like you told us to do this and now were you not going to protect us or anything like that. And he's like yeah. No sorry you're on your own of katie. Well i mean he has pardoned all sorts of awful criminals. And i'm talking about war criminals as well but so maybe that's what they were thinking but to your point about how they were live streaming Taking pictures of themselves most of them weren't trying to cover up their identities. They felt entitled to do what they did. Right they really. I don't think that any of these people expected to face any consequences for did and that's terrifying well. On some level like on some of they're fans of trump and trump is the president and the president. Says go do this. it's okay. he is the boss guy. He's the the head of the government you know like on some level you know that. There's there's there's that going on. Where if the president tells you to do it and then you go and do it. You don't expect to face any consequences. I mean obviously like we wouldn't think that because we don't like the guy. But yeah i mean i think that that there's element of that. Just watching the videos of them crying when they're like being arrested at the airport when they land things like that like it's very funny somewhat but also the president of the united states did tell them to do what they did. That's what that's what happens when when the boss man tells you to do something and a lot of people are going to go ahead and do it so wanna name some other people who are even either close to power or are in positions of power for instance. The son of a brooklyn judge was also arrested for his role in the capital riots. His name is aaron. Must must've ski. And he was taken into custody in brooklyn and faces four federal charges including theft of government property. The criminal complaint also said the police vest he wore which included body plates and side. Ballistics had a value of nearly two thousand dollars. The riot shield it said is valued at two hundred fifty six dollars and he even stopped by the way. This guy was not covering his identity. He he was in the capitol building having no problem. You know engaging in the writing that we saw and he stopped to give reporters reporters is a very generous label here but he spoke to people from the new york post and he said this we were cheated. I don't think seventy five million people voted for trump. i think it was close to eighty five million. Okay great because he's a his expert on the election and you know did hand count himself to make sure that the election was stolen. He's just but there's more there are cops of course who are now facing consequences for taking part in it as well among those arrested and released on. Wednesday were thomas robertson. Forty-seven and jacob fracture twenty nine of rocky mount virginia both officers with the rocky. Mount police department They have been placed on administrative leave. There's video evidence photos of them You know in the building was allegedly quoted on social media. Saying cnn and the left are just mad because we actually attacked the government. Who is the problem and not some random small business. The right in one day took the. Us capitol keep poking us. Yeah yeah. I mean again. It's great Again i just i i have to cling to this idea that because trump is so sweet generous and there's just no one like him In for for good and bad that you know all these pretenders that are gonna try to replace him like no one's going to be able to get the same amount of insane devotion that he's been able to foment amongst a certain chunk of the population. I just don't see it happening for any of these other jokers right like i just. There's something about trump that he is that he's just different. He is different from no-one's really like him so once they've gotten that that hit of the drug. I don't know that they're going to be able to go to the soft stuff. Like marco rubio or jeff. Ho- josh hawley or something like that. Oh no marco rubio super charismatic and Definitely create the following just based on cult of personality. Little very little very tiny. No but we look. We need to do something about like the rot within the military and the police department's like it's an issue and it wasn't just those two cops who are now. You know the forced to resign. There was a cop from houston who had to step down after. He's facing charges. Being parts of the riott being part of the riots and dozens of other cops are currently being investigated to capitol police. Police officers have also been suspended pending an investigation. We don't know specifically why those two capitol police officers are specifically being investigated but Some reporting indicates that has to do with alaska stream which showed them taking a selfie with these insurrectionists. So look i just. It's it's it's a longstanding issue in the country right even before trump the fact that white supremacists have infiltrated both military and the police departments. All you need is a dog whistling president. who is a little savvier than trump. And i'm worried that in the future They might be able to pull off something more than what they did. And it's i just never thought that in my lifetime or even in the future we would see people breach the capital the way that we saw last week and the fact that they were assisted by people in positions of power is something to be concerned about. Well let's move onto an awesome report. Excellent report from our good friend ken clips. Who's now over at the intercept by the way so Definitely follow his work over at the intercept after the capital riots happened. The military argued that they had no intelligence. They just couldn't not known that the riots were going to occur but new reporting from can clip stein at the intercept proves otherwise so apparently there was an internal defense department intelligence assessment that has been obtained by the intercept and that assessment indicated that. Get there. there's desperately need to worry. There was intelligence indicating that these types of events would occur leading up to binds inauguration. Here's what the dod intelligence report said. While the presidential election is finished a large segment of the population views the results as invalid or fraudulent conspiracy. Theories amplified by social media echo social media. Echo chambers are likely to both increase the potential for civil disturbance activity and intensified the level of civil disturbance activity as well they also wrote in this intelligence report that as the results of the election were announced via several media outlets various protest groups around the country began protesting the media and their perceived role in the election. It is very likely that these protests will appear again as a result of the election are are cemented and inauguration day approaches And look they were planning this in plain sight. I mean now you look back at some of the social media posts and some of the video that's emerged and it's pretty clear that these you know trump supporters were planning this coordinating this organizing this now. That many of their accounts have been permanently. Banned from social media they've moved over to encrypted forms of communicating like signal for instance but their communication is much more fragmented so But it doesn't i mean we we're supposed to have intelligence agencies that can predict what's going to happen based on keeping an eye on these things and it's just amazing that after nine eleven. I mean so many of our privacy. So much of our privacy was sacrificed in order to keep us safe right. But when it comes to these white supremacists right wing extremists in the country. Third how are they not able to foil this plot. You get what i'm saying. I mean i guess that's the key right there have been. You've you've identified. The the key problem with this whole thing is that the the trade off isn't less privacy for more security. It's just less less privacy and the same lack of security or even less of it right that they're they're they're not really out there to to protect the best interests of american citizens. That's just not what these with. These intelligence agencies are designed or built to do. It's just that's just fundamentally what they're what they're gonna do ever right. I mean it's just so you look through this report Which was excellent you know. And it's an incredible scoop that he god you look through the that report and they also identify black lives matter as not a threat to national security. What so. I guess like the thought of the military the us military which has done so much damage abroad in just destroyed countries and absolutely destabilized entire populations and killed hundreds of thousands of millions of people in the last in the war on terror. Lou thought of them now just training their eye on us like is not exactly Something that i'm very much happy about. I guess i'd be very weary of that in. Just the proof. Is that this. These kind of thing will always end up targeting things like black lives matter activists. And there's it's almost certain that there is already an infiltration by cops and and you know federal agents into a black lives matter and things like that are already so Yeah i don't know there's just everything about this. Everything about this whole episode has me incredibly weary of everything. Because it's it's it's the kind of thing where like a very bad thing happened. And it's very troubling the sort of social forces that led to it and so something has to be done and i'm just seeing that the responses that are available also incredibly troubling. There's there's there's. I'm feeling very little political outlets for something productive and i'm only seeing political outlets for something that can be potentially very destructive. Yeah i mean. I haven't really seen any solutions proposed by anyone That would because the problem runs deep right. It's not just the spread of disinformation on social media. It's the fact that these are like. These people genuinely believed that the election was stolen. These people genuinely believe that. Oh wow what a coincidence. Every single one of my political opponents is a pedophile q. On extremists believe right. Like what do you do about that right like how do you. How do you appropriately respond to that. In a way that's effective. That doesn't do away with people's you know civil liberties. And i don't know what the answer i personally don't know what the answer is and i've been searching for someone who might have solutions that go beyond the typical Solutions that were proposed after nine. Eleven right like. I don't want another patriot. Act type policy passed. But i do want to do something about this. I do want to see solutions. And it's just so obvious that there was pre planning and coordination taking place. This video came up. I saw it this morning on cnn and it was just jarring like you have these people who know exactly what they're doing how they can break in or breach the building. Let's go to the first one so you see what i'm talking about. There's a let's yelp stairs fourteen area where we need. We need to head. Yeah okay. I love the woman who's just taking itself in the middle of that. That's not every just like like she's just having a great time like oh interesting engaging in some criminality here but let's go to the next one because the next one is the video that like mice get knots in my stomach watching this kind of stuff because of how successful they were in getting in and doing what they did. So let's take a look and the other on the other side of this there. They glass somebody. You can drop down into her underneath. There's also regard. I gather buildings owners only real. You don't care. So nando imagine the Incredible things the left could actually accomplish in this country if they were as organized as those right wingers were. But i hear that organizing is an important. I don't know. But yeah. I mean obviously. They knew what they were doing and they were planning in plain sight and to have you know the defense department say like we couldn't have known we how i don't know we had no intel. No you had. The intel can cope inside has made clear that james bond super spy to a seen what was going on. I mean like you said i mean. I think that this was just have happening. Pretty out in the open. It's not like it's not like you. Needed to monitor chatter on Encrypted cellphone communications like this was happening on facebook. I don't know like it's not. That's that's what i find so So bizarre about like people saying that this was in. You know the we didn't this was like some sort of intelligence failure like it's just. It's just not what this was in any way. I mean i. It's just seeing seeing those videos. You just see like when you're asking you about solutions. The there is. It's very clear that there were living through some like abroad social collapse like we're just we're we're living through some sort of collapse of societal norms and behaviors and trust and you know obviously the way. That works is very amorphous. And it's not like one policies going to fix everything but in general you just need to do. You need to do a better job of governing the country. I don't know there's been so many. There's been so many leadership failures in the last twenty years in america like starting with nine eleven and the iraq war and enron The catholic church abuse scandal The financial crisis of the baseball steroids like the pandemic. I mean you could just go the last twenty years. It's just a litany of elite failure on every single major issue just absolute failure and that eventually catches up with you and you you live through a sort of social collapse and you live through what we're seeing this bizarre behavior from a huge chunk of the population. In which like yet like you said like they're they're in their self as if they were at burning man or something or coachella like it was like this was like this was basically what it was. It was like maga- coachella and they were all like thinking like this co coolest. I can't wait to tell all my friends and show like post it on my instagram. i like it just. This is what you get when you when new when your institution's collapse on basically every single level you get social upheaval in social collapse and the only real response as symmetric and you get an asymmetric response to black lives matter. Protesters versus what we saw from law enforcement and the intelligence community at the capital last week. So there's plenty of blame to go around you know and it's it is a failure on pretty much every single institution from the again members of the military involved. You have veterans involved. You have cops involved. You have literally lawmakers involved you have people across the board engaging in this encouraging it enabling it and i just i there needs to be. Nothing's going to change unless we actually do something to change those institutions. But you know that's what black lives matter was about last summer and there was so much pushback against something. That's obviously a giant issue in this country with white supremacy infiltrated within local police departments. I think that's the reason why you saw this asymmetric reaction and we'll we'll see how it goes but for now we gotta take a break when we come back a proud boys member or fan has been arrested. We'll give you the details on that more. Everyone welcome nor social break from our members section someone who likes bernie sanders wrote in and said can eclipse is on fire. I know it's weird to be proud of him but he's been doing fantastic work and as a ty t. alum. I feel like we get some credit for this whole career for his whole career And getting him started. I mean he's just he's fantastic. He would succeed no matter what but i will say. I'm really really proud that he was someone that we worked with. He's just such a great person and you know just remember. Ken clip in stein when some of the other. Typ alums come up and you question. Judgments made here tomorrow. By the way can clip in stein will be in our power panel which i'm super excited for and jordan you'll so it'll be can clip in stein john rowland jordan you'll our one And malaysia malaysia will be joining me for our two And i've just forgot who the third guest was. Don't be mad at me brought. You told me this morning. That's right a lance from the surf's is going to be on with me as well so looking forward to that there was one other it's a show on twitch called the serfs. I think they're on youtube. As well watched a few videos. I really liked their content. Also let's go to some other no. I'm going to read something from the math magician. I'm not. I'm not ignoring you. Bernie has budget chair does happy dance. He's got enormous leverage. Now and i really hope he chooses to use it. I'm sure he's going to try to make deals and get things done but you can be sure. The starting position for negotiations is going to be much further left and the country hasn't needed that since the great depression. Yeah i mean we need real relief. Moving onto super chats going to go to anthony thornberry. Who wrote in and says i worked for a major communications company and have been working throughout this whole pandemic biden. Not do another bailout. For major international companies yuno. I agree with that absolutely Juicy dragon writes in and says donations. Strictly for the laura palmer photo their own. Nice nice cool pictures behind me. If you guys want to donate. I mean it depends on what the picture is. Steve writes in your opening up. Pandora's box that'd be. I guess we should be happy that the administration had nothing to do with the creation of the vaccine because they would have failed at that too. So there's a fantastic piece. In jackson about that about how vaccine was developed and how funding in development for that vaccine has actually been taking place for a long time and you know research for it like the framework and main structure for the vaccine was developed. Canada up and publicly funded. We gotta get back to the show. See you there. Everyone welcome back to. Ty t. if you like the show please like and share the stream. It's one of the easiest ways to help us out and get the. Typ message out there. Now let's move on to our next story about what's going on with state capitals and what kind of security measures. They're currently focusing on. So the fbi's expecting pro-trump insurrectionist to riot. Not only in the capital. Which is essentially been. Shut down at this point for biden's inauguration but also in all fifty states specifically state capitals leading up to inauguration day But there are some worries. That law enforcement isn't prepared for what could come right and there's a reason for that first off. Let's talk about why the f. b. is worried about this there have been know pieces of evidence indicating that they're planning on having these armed a demonstrations if you want to be generous to them Riots if you want to be realistic. More than a dozen fires are circulating online advertising pro trump rallies at state capitals according to social media analysis by nbc news So some of these flyers a include you know freedom is a right one popular flyer reads Refuse to be silenced. As another some of these fires have also been circulating for a long time even before the capital. Riots took place. Most of the posters for upcoming state events were circulating online weeks and months before the capital. Right i mean how could the intelligence community know. How could they have expected the riott one. In augury date event billed as the million militia march was first promoted december. I know i know a conservative alternative to facebook. All right. i'll stop right there. But i have more details coming including why local police departments aren't necessarily Prepared to deal with this. Go ahead. i mean you know. Every sort of bearded college lefty who's read noam chomsky and stuff like that will tell you that. The law enforcement agents in the intelligence agencies are like just the arm of the of capital. And if as long as you're not a threat to capital they're going to let you do whatever the hell you on even if you even if you destroy some buildings or You know raid the capitol building and So that i mean. I think that that's what's going on in some ways. I mean you know to to put a finer point on it that that's that's that's just like why these intelligence agencies can lay down over something like whereas you better believe if any if there was any sort of left wing attempt to take the cow would have been mowed down easily. You know what. I what i am thinking thinking. There's gonna be obviously biden's inaugurations to have like a massive troop presence in in in washington and like just that image is also one that is kind of terrifying in many ways you know the. Us president surrounded by tanks and thousands of military personnel. And things like that. I mean it's just it's it's it's a horrible moment that we're living through. It's just it really is. It really is awful and until we until we kind of do something from below. I mean that's the thing is the the response is only gonna come from below like the only real kind of progressive response will come from. It's gonna come from us in we ha. We have to be the those people that that kind of build that You know if we leave it in the hands of of of the people in power. It's it's not going to be pretty and so how do we do that. Like what do you think would be a successful tactic right. Do you try to appeal to these people and deprogrammed them and you know there. Is this ongoing debate. That i'm becoming more and more clear on in terms of where i stand but like this idea of like no no no the populace left should work with the populace right and things will get much better but like these. These are the right wingers. We're talking about right now. i don't. I don't wanna work with them. I don't. I don't care if we might agree. On some economic policies these are people who don't in any way of value the rule of law rate importantly who have like intense hatred for black people for people of color for pretty much. Anyone who doesn't fall under their very specific demographic. So how do you how do you. I mean i think that goes back to like what biden says about like. Oh we need to heal. Okay how how do we heal. When we have people who are willing to engage in this kind of criminality out in the open and they feel emboldened like they feel like they did the right thing and they want to keep doing this now. I mean i did my whole weekend. Jacob been with you on rowing populism. I am not a believer in right wing populism. I think that there's we can make a distinction over. What like bernie did with josh hawley over the holiday break. Roberts doesn't dollar checks in which they found common cause in a very specific instance inside the senate. That's like that's one thing. I don't think bernie should be like. I am not working with dodge alibaba. Fastest mc no. I think that in a discrete kind of bill. Like the two thousand dollar check thing. It makes total sense for him to present a united front with someone. Might josh hawley. Or even marco rubio who. I'm sure he hates on so many levels but like that. These are political leaders like they they should be doing. They should be behaving differently from from what you and i do. I think in general. I agree with you. I don't know that like that. It's worth trying to convince trump supporters and mass. I mean i think that it's just like where do you even begin to find common ground. I mean i think that the name sort of standard left response to that question has always been the same one and it's it's not it's not necessarily easy. It's a very difficult one but it's doable. Which is which is appealing to the massive low of low engagement and and low information voters. Who are the people who just don't participate at all in the political process right. I mean it's it's just a non just shows the non voters in in in study after study shows like sometimes like the liberal response is like we just need more education which is like kind of educated people are we had better media it would change but like study after study shows that the people who believe that are most susceptible to conspiracy and like insane. Fake news are more highly educated people in general. Why you keep on saying that people that showed up at the capitol or often well-to-do ceo's at thing people in army intelligence people in the air force there believing all this insane stuff as well and really like the the the sort of people who've been completely falling out of the political process because they're just completely shut out from it. I mean that's really who we have to be engaging with and it's not easy to activate a person who's being composed completely checked out because they have rightly concluded that no matter what they did. Nothing changed for them that they're kind of their their downward trajectory has been pretty linear for the last forty years. No matter who's in power but that's the only hope is to activate that base. There's really the only hope it's difficult. It's monumental but it's our only hope. Well there was a great discussion moderated. By francesca fear. Intini for the michael brown show is doing a series that honors his life and his work and his legacy and one of the later Latest conversations they had was with j mac alevi and joshua con russell specifically about organizing that works and j mcilveen. She's a union organizer. She's and she's obsessed with winning but like we need that. We need that. We need people who are obsessed with winning as opposed to perpetuating the societal issues issues. We have right now so you continue doing whatever gifty thing you're doing but i love the conversation because it talked about you know specific. She gave specific examples of what. It's like to deal with unsavory people that you're organizing with right so these online discussions about like purity test or whatever are not helpful when it comes to the actual work on the ground and i agree with you. I mean the largest voting block in this country consists of a non voters. And so what can we do to engage them in the best possible way in this process them on our side because people power is definitely I just think it's more effective than anything else i've seen proposed. It's just that it takes a lot of work. It's so there's a chicken and egg element to in that. They're they're cynical because government has done nothing for them and then so that it's hard to. It's hard to tell them like. Oh if we if we did something about it then government would do something about it. So i mean that's why that's why something like the two thousand dollar checks policy. I find to be like a potentially good organizing principle around because it's so simple and so easy and the government's gonna just give you a check at. It's like something that can people can can understand and in it can provide some sort of example way forward of a way forward that in which the state can be used to help your interests right. So you have to find kind of victories to to rally around Just we haven't had one in so long in this country that it's hard to point to. I know you're reading the lyndon johnson biographies. I mean he ran. He the first time he ran for congress. He electrified his district. He he he eletricity to the hill country and texas for the first time and he ran on that forever because he could point to like. I brought you change. Your life are bringing you know. It's like the government delivered in unbelievable thing to you may be. It's hard to overstate how drastic that was in changing people's lives. And there you go. That was his powerbase forever forever. So it's a chicken and egg. Is you have to deliver the goods. If you're going to get people activated but you have to get people activated to deliver the goods. So it's it's it's a little bit of both. Yeah no i love this discussion but we gotta move on. Gotta take a break. So let's do that when we come back for our second hour. We'll talk about a proud supporter. Who tried to threaten the life of raphael warnock. Well he's been arrested. Luckily and then. Later ben shapiro saying dumb ben shapiro things time about zip ties. You don't wanna miss it. We'll be right back.

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Episode 299 "Just Thought You Should Know"

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Episode 299 "Just Thought You Should Know"

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Well we have some listener feedback. We do and we'll get right into that and this bid. I bit of feedback from listeners. Chris and chris is high host. I'm curious from a native perspective if you are more in favor of additional borders such as abolished federal borders and allow states or other demarcation entities to self determine and govern boundaries or. Would you learn. Lean excuse me more towards globalization and the abolishing of all borders completely or maybe a third more middle ground on the road option. Thanks and have a good show listener. Chris thank you chris. That's an interesting perspective. In some countries there are no borders. You can roll right along from town to town the town. And in some instances depending on what part of the world you're in a lot of countries don't have orders per se. You can go from country to country to country without any difficulty. that's becoming less and less of an option these days but personally borders borders are a european construct To some degree now native peoples had territories and it was a courtesy to let another nation. Now that you're in their territory Which is still the case today for native peoples but lines of demarcation that says State a state be state. See that didn't exist back then. Correct so i am kind of offense sitter on borders. I think people should be able to coming go more easily than they are in this. In north america and south america. I think the travel should be easier. But again we're way dealing with the european construct so there's not a whole lot That we can do with it. But that's that's my take on the existence of in the end the governing and policing of borders what are what are your thoughts on that brother. Well i think you've framed it. You know improper in that you have to look at it from two vantage points. You have to look at it from you. Know what we're currently dealing with today as a society overall in terms of the united states and then The way things were before there was a country known as the united states from indigenous perspective. Right so so you know. I think i think you frame that that quite well we did in fact Respect each other territories In in that sense in fact. I sold my practice that today in in our preservation work with other tribes. Because you have to respect you just simply do. It's just it's just proper etiquette to do so on a variety of different things so It's just about being respectful. Unlike how the country was was formed initially there was no respect for indigenous nations. There like we're taking your land and you don't get over. That was that was attitude with respect to borders right now you know certainly we can understand to a certain degree why the country feels. It has a need to put it borders. What we what we distinctly have to have. Conversations about is this country's position around who should be here and who shouldn't so And what we what we've mentioned on the show a few times is you know. Why is there Especially during the trump administration or why why was there such an attention on What seems to be people brown skin coming in over the southern border when you heard nothing from the media from the administration. Nothing about any of the other borders. The northern borders things like that people are coming in the country all the time from all different sides of the country if you will so so there definitely appears to be some You don't. I'm putting it lightly discrimination relevant to certain ethnic groups coming in into the country whereas it seems perfectly fine for others I'll let you guys figure that one out for yourselves. As to who i'm talking about you know so if we're talking i'm not quite sure i understand the application. A of demarcation chr chris was referring to In my in my in my advocate for open borders Again it depends on the context. So i would like to see less Discrimination towards people. Coming into the country because I justify that based on You know things like the immigration policy because You know nobody was checking. European people coming into the country when the country was formed There was no such thing as a as an immigration policy but yet people came here and now suddenly the descendants of those originating. They love to call founding fathers. Which i have a shoe that framing as well Are now left. With this. the way they perceive it responsibility for modifying changing and enforcing immigration policy in the country So so that's part of the border discussion in my opinion globalization. Well that's That's another it depends on what circles you're living in. That's another dirty word from some people right so you know that. That's that's the we could do. A whole entire episode around subject of globalization I would say. I'm not for in modern times in given the kind of weaponry that Countries possess today I i'm i don't think i'm a fan of abolishing borders But as my brother pointed out looking at it through an indigenous historical lens we didn't have any such thing we we understood territories and we respected those territories as we've said three times today so so yeah i guess that's kinda where i'm i'm landing with with most of those so there you go well. One thing i'll add is people need to know if they don't already that as you mentioned we have three other borders and one of those borders are most northern border is pretty porous and there's more illegal immigration that comes through that border than they could ever hope to stop. There's more illegal immigration coming through that border than there ever has been through the southern border and another poorest area for for immigration. Are major air hubs and what people aren't allowed to know is this when people come in to the. Us the air. They come in from another country and they have a visa. Thousands upon thousands of thousands of people from other countries come to this country with visas their visas expire and they stay they now become an illegal immigrant and it. It galls me to no end that the conversation on immigration does not have that information included in it. And i i understand. i understand why it's not included. It's used as a political football and for those like the fool who used to be in the white house. It's used as a dog whistle. So i i understand the dynamics of why they don't talk about it. But every chance i get i inform people on those very facts and they're they're it's verifiable it's checkable all you have to do is look But most people that are of the same oak as the fool that used to be in the white house won't bother to look they'll take his word or words of others like him so you know we we have. We have more porous borders than people realize absolutely. I mean take northern border checkpoints. You know in between ca beck and the us and you know their major check points on the west coast but everything in between the only border. I know this. Because i had friends that worked for the tourist bureau. Four beer hosted tours. Geez it's been a long day already here. I had friends off oil thanks. I had friends that worked for the border patrol and they would tell me all the time they said people really knew how porous the northern border was. They would laugh because some yes. Some of the some of the border crossings. I'd nothing more than a sign that says. Us canada yup. That's it or your your metal fence or wouldn t yes. That's that's that's a whole thing you know and for for all of the amazing resources that mainstream news media has at their disposal you saw thousands of men even exaggerating thousands of stories about the southern border during the four years of trump. I challenge anybody. Find me one about northern border. Well okay that's actually. I'll let back in. Because i know you can find them. They you know they needed cover. Northern border like a little bit like once every three months but but you did not see footage on the northern border of the what davis describing. They only went to the major checkpoints. And they're like you know. Tell me you know what's the volume like coming in from the north from the canada or something like that and it does nothing nothing at all. the other. The other thing. David mentioned. I still have a big problem with because this points back to immigration policy defined for me and i don't mean in terms of of citizen versus non-citizen or even visas i want the term ill illegal define for me right okay because i can apply the same term and that includes the descendants by the way every person that's the cohen unquote citizen of the united states that has european descendancy which includes myself by the way okay. Why aren't you illegal because you were born here. Know i disagree. You said that that that term has been applied after the fact you follow. What i'm saying brother. I do you know and you can say you can point to somebody and say you know regardless of ethnicity at all you can point to somebody. Say that person's illegal because they don't hold you in the united states citizenship. Okay that's how they frame it but when you look at it when you look at immigration as a whole back in including history. Y'all are lille okay simple. That people try to complicate it and they try to. You know they try to. They try to justify a thousand different ways. You can't in my in my estimation. Yeah it's it's it's tough. It's tough to do so so when you know. That's that's part of the problem with borders. If they would just be fair and honest but if they would just be fair and honest about the border situation i think people would get off of the the demonization of brown people because there are more there are a lot more non brown people that coming into this country illegally. Then they want to. They want to acknowledge. Truly from places. Like russia the ukraine. All you know the some of the previous soviet bloc countries just coming into the country and staying here. No legal right to be here. And that's you know that happens with with all ethnicities. I'm not saying it just happens with one or two happens with all ethnicities coming into this country but the media and the government have to be responsible. The that's laughable too about the immigration thing and stop demonizing the brown people because we the us created the problem of immigration on the southern border. We created it defined. We okay. Because i'm just. I'm just saying we as as the united states government okay but but again. I'm gonna going to drill down further than that okay. It was white europeans that invented the immigration policy in this country. That's true okay and and and you know if that makes people uncomfortable. I'm sorry but that is duh history and depending on context around american citizenship. We did not or were involved in the decision making process relevant to the creation of that policy. Meaning everybody else correct and welcome everyone and chat Beth wrote no republican cares about white illegal. You're absolutely correct dictates. That i mean absolutely you did not hear one thing about why illegals in this country i never with any kind of conviction to from the media heard one thing about white illegals in this country. Never they're always you can find countless countless photos countless countless clips of brown people coming into the country now granted. I don't. I don't see a german in handcuffs. No for example granted people should come to the country legally but during the last administration they made. It seem like nobody coming across. The southern border was coming legally. That's bs there. Were literally thousands upon thousands of people that went through checkpoints and came here and registered at the checkpoints legally but they don't tell you that correct yep thousands upon thousands that came through the checkpoints like they were supposed to that. That's that's considered a legal entry. I'll say this. Well i'll i'll be now that i wanna be but i'll be fair to the news media a little bit in more recent years and it does fall under political lines. Yes i have started to see stories. i'll give credit to. Cbs news on this one. Anyway that some of the reporting has been inclusive of that fact that you just mentioned day. Okay good but it's not far not not often enough okay. So so you know they just have to be innocent. Mothers my last point on citizenship and even borders part part of part of why i get very angry about the subject and even the definitions around a certain terms like illegal. It has to do with The requirements that citizenship. To begin with. And we've mentioned this on the show before there's such blatant disrespect by this country government and by and large also still the media No coverage of the fact That the citizenship questions Given to people that do go the legal route and this is this is erased guardless of of even really words regardless of their ethnicity again. Or what country. They came from whatever okay to questions posed native american history. Can you name a tribe is the most common one and they give you a list of trump's and then the other one skates my my memory. At the moment there are two questions in in the naturalization and citizenship test. The written test inexcusable. And why did they do that do that. Because they because since from the government that historically they have a responsibility or role in the murder of an indigenous people in this country. They don't wanna hear about it. They don't wanna they don't wanna signal that they don't wanna admit to it so if they had a quote unquote chapter that people have to study on. Native americans indigenous history as pertains to citizenship in the united states. It'll never exist because this country refuses to apologize to its indigenous people for its role in its creation. That's why i get angry and rightfully so rightfully so see i. I i look at this this the more you know the more i think about it. It's just you know. I get more and more upset about it. No i know. And i've seen this this immigration policy wayne in wax over the administration's and but you know i i'd been stationed along the northern border. Like i said i was privy to to be friends with a few border patrol agents up there so i i've been aware of this. The border slash immigration thing for a long long time. And you know i hear some of the trash spewing from people's pie holes about you know immigration and and i laugh at them because they have no clue as to what they're talking about really they have no clue and i loathe to. You know believe that it's still allowed to happen. The narrative that exists is still allowed to happen so there. You have it again. Thanks chris for your feedback. We appreciate that all right. Let's have. Let's have some fun for january. Here's here's a here's a here's this came from a listener mishaan love this email. Machine says good day my friends longtime listener and longtime enjoyer couple of episodes. Now you've been re be rating yourselves as to quote being late close quote today all right. I'll stop right there. I for one. Don't mind let me say first of all that i enjoy your shows after the fact and live that is anyway. I only have one thing to say. Your show is not late. Y'all are on indian time indian. Time is when it happens pretty much. That's true it's your show. And if anyone can truly understand why you all may be late for number of reasons. You've still manage to have your podcast giving listeners. Extra time for coffee. Food kids critters a plethora of things to occupy themselves and those who listen for any length of time should be aware that defecation occurs. And you'll be there when when you get there. I love you both. You have become a staple to my ears and welcome voices of fact truth. Humor love caring and ready opinion. Because there once was someone who vocalized their opinion on your opinion and in my opinion and it didn't seem as they really understood the name of your show and the operative word within anyway peace levin light and again. That's from michigan. Thank you very much. Thank sean appreciate that. We appreciate that a lot. Well a speaking of late apologies. I'm going to offer one again. Jacqueline had to cancel our guest. This morning had to cancel due to an emergency and the episode that was generated was built around her her appearance so we had to redo the rundown this morning. So that's why we're a little late but we are on indian time. We are indians and again that that's no reflection on jacqueline. We certainly understand no. It isn't a reflection on all not at all. So it's not it's not it's not like it's not only and and we're looking forward to having her on the show when she can reschedule and dave building contingencies. It's okay so you know it's always a good thing soap all right you. We have some listener feedback. Brother yesterday. you to yes we do get here. Okay here we go and let's see. This is another listener. A message of voice message that came back from hope process right theresa and This the listener tolsey. Wow okay thank you brother listener from the cherokee nation who last week had called in also The first time and expressed his perspectives on their constitution. The cherokee freedman and disembowelment so Here's his follow up here. Those show this is to shula From the north west. Thank you for allowing my thoughts to be aired More than i could ask for definitely bring up. Some good points to wrestle through has to admit it is painful to belong to two nations of the united states and the nation who both treated human life as commodities painful Please restaurant sure that. I do Or i am fighting against racism. I know it is common to throw out Family members and such and say yes. You know as -scuse seen it for since you don't know me In some random person calling. I get it The creator will be the judge of my life on that one At the end of the day. I am glad that the constitution was amended. Even if i still have issues how I am guided by the principle of Sibu in karachi The hunter in fact story that goes where they adopted the the wild boy into family. No matter the fact that the wild boy was the one who led his brother and killing say lose their mother forgave him and then later obviously cantata the hunter less than ran and they pursued them and then he forgives them as well so despite the fact that it was wild boy who did cause problems for lead his brother who's equal partners into the was. He was adopted and he was part of family. So i think that's it. Today was point of view. Yeah you are church's I mentioned the divisions not pleasant skews but sometimes it is nice to understand but the end of the day. The wild boy and the homeboy are both the sons of see lou and they and they will be ever that way. So thank you again and take her right. Well thank you very much. Appreciate it all right. So let's see we're going to jump right into the rest of the rundown eight brother. I do that all right. So we're gonna talk about. Let's say a few things here. We have stories. We always have stories of stories on voting rights case that Gop lawyer says a quiet part out loud. Be exciting supreme court again We'll consider federal protections for minority voters while that's always a positive thing This one. I'm looking forward to as well brother why we took cocaine out of soda. That will was a pretty good one. I forgot to add one other talking point up there. I thought i did but i. I didn't add it but the other talking point is this iowa landowner brought a creek back to life and i thought it was apropos because of water. Oh yes okay. Sounds like a blind man all right so here we go brother. You're up on. Voting rights are already well as we know. Voting and voting rights have been a point of contention in politics forever and that should have been settled with the voting rights bill along with the equal rights amendment but sadly it has not been as we've been subjected to over the last three three three administrations. Why people just can't leave. Voting alone is beyond me. It's a simple process. Stop in the stop infringing on people's right to vote your greed your racism your bigotry. Your hatred should have nothing to do with people's right to vote but we all know that those are the reasons why people of color are being subjected to up. Call a modified. Jim crow laws in relation to boating. Because that's waiting amounts to. It's got to stop it's gonna stop and how the powers that be. Choose to stop it. Well that's up to them. That's up to them. My grandmother used to say you can take a smooth road or you can take a bumpy road. Both roads will get you where you need to go. But it's how you are going to feel at the end of that road that makes the difference. The bumpy roads going to leave you with knocks. Bruises the smooth road. No need to explain that so there you go a little. Bit of my grandmother's. I call her my grandmother wisdom and she always made me laugh but her her comments were always on point so voting rights case. Gop lawyer says the quiet out loud. And this was written by steve bannon. Excuse me for msnbc dot com. The voting rights dispute pending in the us. Supreme court may seem a little complex but during oral arguments. A republican lawyer unexpectedly made matters. Surprisingly simple at issue is a test of the voting rights. Act which roger rotates supreme court justice has already taken an ax to and again issue is a test of the voting rights. Act or at least what remains of the landmark nineteen sixty five law that conservative justices guided in two thousand thirteen as nbc. News explained the case is about whether to state laws violate section. Two of the act. One blocks the counting of ballots cast in the wrong precinct and another prohibits anyone other than the member or caregiver from collecting and delivering voters. Absentee ballot on one side is the state of arizona and republicans who want to keep the strict laws on the books and argued they prevent fraud and on the other side of course. Democrats who what the loss stricken and view the rules prevent voters particularly minorities from a ballot. There are in fact. Two cases brnovich versus democratic national committee and arizona republican party versus democratic national committee J- finding how the dnc is the plaintiff or a defendant in both cases. May i insert something though in. This is upset some of our democratic listeners. Right but i still can be on the correct side of an argument and still have a wrong. L. terrier motive. Okay and and what i mean by that is by and large democrats want more people of color voting because they feel they will vote for They're largely white candidates. Just want i just want to point that out You're not fooling me in that regard. As i said going the other way is bad in yes. I would rather see the policy abolished. But i want some honesty. Okay around why you wanted polished because that's what we're not hearing all right so all right. I'm sorry rather. That's why i had to throw that out there. Thank you thank you. Because it's politics it is. It is politics so the dnc national committee which have been consolidated in the high court the gop imposed restrictions where rejected last year as impermissible by the ninth circuit court of appeals but there are widespread fears. The justices will reverse course but while expectations were already. Low among voting rights activists. This is after all the most far right supreme court generations. Many were nonetheless taken aback during yesterday's oral arguments. When michael carbon an attorney representing the arizona republican party explained his role. Defending arizona's voting restrictions. Just as amy conybeare it asked. And i quote what's the interest of the arizona. Rnc in keeping say the outta precent precinct ballot disqualification disqualification rules. Excuse me on. The books and quote cabin responded quoting because it puts us in a competitive advantage relative to democrats. Politics is zero sum game in quote. It's not about doing the right thing right so you said a moment ago. It's not about putting honestly on the table or doesn't exist in politics. It's about trum at least this side of that argument. We're at a competitive advantage right. It's about winning for both sides. Guys this is my point. It's not about doing right for people of color. Okay right for anybody for that matter. We yeah the would. this is what i'm saying. I noticed this comes from msnbc again. I'm gonna piss off some people. But i don't care in this context right. This is the way things are framed. Be it left or right with some lack of honesty or a complete picture. Okay so i'm sorry for being the bad guy but it that's okay or put another way. A republican attorney tried to defend his states. Gop imposed voting restrictions by saying. They're necessary to help defeat democrats so given that information that he blatantly mistakenly put out on the table. The supreme court should strike down arizona's loss. But it's not going to happen but they're probably not going to like. I said that the supreme court is already taken an axe to the voting rights. Act of sixty five. There's not much left so one of the key premises of that act that they took an ax to was to restrict state from doing stuff like arizona's doing to give you a little background. That's what they axed the crap out of and that act. Well i'll also say there are some. There are some admit to this distant relation. i think to to also A home. I brandish off the other. The other landmark supreme court case the citizens right The citizens right act citizens united. Thank you yes. That's what i meant. Why because that allows that allowed for corporations to be countered to citizens and donate to candidates openly. That's why i'm saying. It's distantly related to why they why they why the supreme court struck down. But what am i saying. Gutted i think is the word you used The voting rights act. The article goes on to say the arizona. Public's laurie roberts added in her new column for years. Republican legislator legislatures excuse me have assured us that their various to make it more difficult boat were all about protecting the integrity of arizona's elections turns out they're all about protecting themselves in a hearing before the us supreme court on tuesday a lawyer for the arizona. Republican party actually admitted it in quote. Yes he did the candles. Welcome even if the sentiment was not. We apparently arrived at the point at which republican lawmakers simply acknowledged that voter suppression tactics are an integral part of the gop efforts to win elections. We'll tell you agree with that but again what's missing is the other side of that. You have to level the same criticism back to democrats as well. Oh sure in again because of the source of this article. I'm sorry it's msnbc. It's extraordinarily left. All right i'm not trying to defend republicans whatsoever but they're not being honest. Well the reason. I think this article came to light in. Why think it was important that that somebody 'cause i haven't heard any any kind of anything about this guy's admission. I think that's why this article is important. Because somebody stuck a finger in the guys. I and say ooh look what you said. No i hear you are in. The agree agree with that. So you know. The republicans are telling people what they're doing. They're just saying you know. Those brown people are trying to vote illegally. That's their implication. And it's wrong. I agree it is rock. So i'm glad this guy's comments were put on record. No doubt just just you know just like you know in bethel appreciate this beth chat just just like the eight democrats. That voted down the fifteen role for for wages. Right there on route to. They should be on record as well absolutely and they are. You know but that's always important. You know what i mean. That's why we play that clip. A lot of al green grilling the banking officials putting them on record. I love that clear. Because that's what it's that's what more politicians if you will or elected officials should be doing and this is why i get very upset when it doesn't happen and then the news media covers it up. Yeah they do so anyway they do. Hello everyone in chat. That just came in recently personally can winner american. Hate me right now. My point of view on this anyway but well. It's bali because both sides play the game both sides talk out both sides of the mouths Normalized it's normal. Because they say they say well. It's all the game is played. And that's there there in lies the root xactly. That's the problem tired of it. No it's not how the game is played. It's played because you let it be played that way news media instead of doing you damn job but anyway well folks. If you're tired of the way the game is played go to why this matters dot org there you go why this matters dot org all thank you for that segue brother still needs to podcast but okay no believe it or not working on it. Oh all right there. You go absolutely working on it. So why this matters dot org was founded for a reason. I get sick and tired of hearing about war chest. This candidates were chest that candidates war chest that candidate over their war chest. Okay you know who doesn't have a war chest. The people correct people don't have a frigging war chest. So that's why why this matters dot org was founded to give the people war chest so the people can say we want these candidates to represent us and have a war chest that can be utilized for advertisement to support and buoy candidates. That's is the reason why this matters dot org was founded because the people have no war chest we get candidates. Shut down our throats that private political organizations i e the rnc in the dnc position for us. We don't get a candidate that we choose. We have to. We have to take what they shove. Down our throats and yet we have no say so why this matters dot org was founded so that people can have a war chest so the people can go out and find candidates that they want to represent them and have a war chest to have at for advertisements for their candidates and to use against the candidates that they know that aren't going to work on their behalf so a lot of them. I mean we posted on our on our facebook page and the a prime example of this all right A democrat christian cinema arizona. How hollow and we just did an article about arizona right right but she's democrat republican and against raising the federal minimum wage to fifteen rather than you know just you know be a professional and just you know kaos yes or no. She walks up on. The senate floor raises her arm and push her thumb down you child. They paid her off. Quake right didn't take long for them to find her price. So and by the way clothe rather nicely when there's so many people suffering right now and just not just because of the pandemic but because but but related to the pandemic. they don't have a damn job right. Democrats ran on helping other americans last. I checked but this individual decides. I'm going to vote it down and did so in one of the most rudas fashions possible. My message to democrats is went through. Four years of an arrogant a-hole and their lackeys. Why are you mimicking the behavior exac. Well she's a. She's a republican democrat clothing. Anyway there you go. If i'm not mistaken she was a republican and she ran as a democrat to take the seat. I did very quick research on her back right in the post because want to look at it on facebook but I don't recall a switch but anyway it's it's their disappointing and but you know again. This is why. I took the position on that last article. It's going going to be honest or at least we're going to do it on this show from any level of politics. Don't sit there and to act like you're better than the other party. Please frigging joke when you have examples like that. Just blatant as hell. Oh come on. Don't cliff was asking didn't cinema or sign my whatever you pronounce your name bring a chocolate cake to the chamber. who knows. i don't know maybe she had a straight razor popular or that would be hidden in the center. Who knows that would be a that. Would explain why she did a thumbs down over no new. No no no. It wasn't even that so there. You go all right next. Article go back to the supreme court again and again to consider federal protections for minority voters. Right or did. I read this twice brother and my no. That's okay. This is from the washington post dot com another troubled institution of news to some degree day. All our articles by robert barnes who writes with one contentious election behind it the supreme court. This week will consider the rules for the next and how federal law protects minority voters as states across the nation race to revamp their regulations race to revamp now. Why are the racing to revamp okay. I'll leave it there. Because i've already forty forty. I've already probably soured people opinion of me today. reading on says the court on tuesday will review the shield provided by the voting rights. Act the vre. I passed in nineteen sixty five to forbid laws that result in discrimination based on race the cases at the supreme court involved to voting regulations from arizona that are in common across a common use across the country. One throws out ballots of those who Who vote those who vote in the wrong precincts. Excuse me one second brother you know. Why should that even matter. Why should it matter if the ballot was cast in the wrong precinct. Dot org spray. Why this matters dot org absolutely. Why should it matter if the if the ballot is cast for a particular candidate you know. Why should it matter if it's a national election if if voter a cast a ballot for candidate d. or e. or f. or whatever letter you on assigned to them and they go to three towns over and drop that ballot in a ballot box. Why should it matter. If it's a national election it should not matter one whit yep yep so sorry didn't mean to break your straight. They did it like sixty times to you. The alaska apologizing my behalf my emotional outbursts. You're allowed remember. It's your show too so says the greater impact will be the test. That increasingly conservative court develops for providing us gives him for approving violations of the vr as new laws or proposed in state legislatures begin withdrawing congressional and legislative districts following the two thousand twenty census reacting to The former full of the white house False claims a widespread fraud republican led legislature. Legislatures are racing to enact laws that cut back on easement to voting implemented in part because the coronavirus pandemic even if investigations by trump's justice department and other republican officials failed to substantiate the charges. They say changes are needed to assure. Public confidence in election outcomes so very much. I'm glad we have some new leadership in the justice department. But you know time will tell whether or not we we actually see positive change. But i'm anticipating that we will Because quite literally anything is better than bar in in in other obstructionists that that had been there and may still be. I don't know but we'll save going on here in. The article says following democratic democrat victories in the twenty twenty election state republican lawmakers across the country proposing new laws that would restrict access to voting the liberal brennan center for justice says lawmakers in thirty three states have crafted more than one hundred sixteen bit. Excuse me one hundred. Sixty fi- bills to restrict voting so far this year more than four times the number in last year's legislative sessions the group attributed the surge to a rash of baseless and racist allegations of voter fraud close quote and accused lawmakers of a quote backlash to historic voter. Turn a voter turnout close quote last year. Arizona leads the nation in restrictive proposals. The center said in two thousand thirteen. The supreme court made it harder for civil rights groups to challenge such changes. It effectively eliminated the requirement again. If so just a quick pause seemingly rim court is against social justice right away from from past past decisions would seem but moving on arizona's leads the nation restrictive proposals. The center said in two thousand thirteen. The supreme court made it harder for civil rights groups to challenge such changes. It effectively eliminated the requirement that states provide to have discriminated against minorities in the past receive advance approval from a panel of federal judges or the justice department before changing their laws civil rights groups openly. Worried that the two thousand thirteen decision in shelby count shelby county vs holder portends a further weakening of the federal law as the courts conservative majority has been bolstered since then the cases provided the court With quote ample invitation to do a lot of harm close quote said myrna perez who is director voting rights in elections at the brennan center. She said the recent election and trump supporters storming the us capital showed the protections are more necessary than ever. I will not argue that at all according her. I think there was one thing that the election and the insurrection showed us. It's that not. Everyone buys into the idea of free fair and accessible elections close quote peres said in a call with reporters quoting her again. We're going to need our institutions like the supreme court to protect those who would try to keep our con- who would try to keep our country for themselves close quote. Now see that. Now that that speaks directly to what i was talking about earlier in terms of immigration law and my my idea of of immigration reform differs one hundred and eighty degrees from most that have proposed changes so far. Let's just put it that way going again. Back here in the article. While the law protects minorities from government discrimination the cases at the supreme court illustrate how minority voting and partisan politics have become entwined. Yep yep so much for separation so to speak of church and state right that kind of thing. The democrat national committee the dnc. Don't it brought the challenge of arizona's laws and the republican party is on the other side. Of course the state's republican governor attorney general and legislative leaders defend the laws arizona's democratic secretary of state is content with a federal appeals court striking them down. The battle plays out in challenging state. President biden won arizona in november. Only the second time. Democrat presidential candidate has prevailed since nineteen forty eight election also provided the state with two democratic senators for the first time since nineteen fifty two. The challenged laws were in place. When biden won the state by more than ten thousand votes and attorney general mark Burn of each. I think said in an interview that it was easier for him to defend the state's election results from changes of fraud. Because of the prophylactic measures put in place to ensure voter integrity. Exactly it took away a very different lesson from the election than peres. Quote quitting peres if we learned anything from the last election cycle. It's that people have have to have confidence in the election results close. I'm sorry. I quoted the wrong person This is a Berna vich brnovich had said the court. We'll be examining a part of the voter protection. Law called section two which was amended in nineteen eighty two to prohibit any voting practice that quote results in a denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen of the united states to vote. On account of race or color close quote. Well they're trying to blur blur the line on that particular aspect of the right and they're examining or they should. They should have said they will be reexamining. Part of the voter protection law called section two. Because if they're going back to it they're not examining the reexamining it and to protect or prohibit. Excuse me voting. Practice that results in denial or bridgman of the right of any citizen of the united states to vote on account of race or color. Okay so that's the line. They're trying to blur. They're using things like ballot using catch phrases like ballot harvesting okay. Similar phrases were used during the jim crow era and like that for the church church to the puddle. I think it goes something something. Along those lines and that was a cantu ballot balloting about harvesting their their ballot harvesting argument people would go from church and go to the polls they would be bused to the polls after church so they kind of tried to say that was a form of ballot harvesting while those are some of the restrictions that they're trying to impose to keep people from your church from church to the polls they're trying to limit or restrict sunday boating or things of that nature. And you know they're they're not looking at the big picture or they're looking at the big picture but they're not giving other people the opportunity to look at the big picture with their restricted. Voting rights. Laws there inhibiting a lot of demographics and preventing them from from voting disabled people people with Transportation challenges all kinds of different things that they're tossing out there that are gonna exclude people from the voting process and the republicans know this They know this. And here's the thing here's the thing. It's not only going to affect people of color. It's also going to severely impact poor whites absolutely that's also impact who get overlooked More often than people realize that that's also a very valid point. I think he's addressing the dog. Guess beth road and chat democrats need to be smart and stand hard against these voting suppression moves. Republicans want to take back the house and the senate that's the whole game. Twenty twenty two is crucial. We cannot make the same mistakes we made in two thousand ten. I again. Thank you for that beth. Absolute i understand that you know but this is the problem that i see with politics in general this this you know beyond the right team thing. One of the reasons vacillate back and forth to you know there's days i want anything to do with politics anymore whatsoever and other times i get flared up in you know Then yeah i want to choose a side. That is you know being honest. And you know not only wanna to make a change But honestly approach the right the right way and the environment today is you know it's You have to join one of the two sides. And i'm not. I'm not that person. I consider my views to tend to be more aggressive in the progressive wing of the democratic party. But the progressives have some issues as well and so you know I said years ago. They've knows this all too well My my position was there needs to be a third row seats in the house. And the senate for guys like me people like me or should i say not guys but people like me. That don't believe in a party that believe in action to do the right things read about now. I'm waiting for dave to go. Why this matters dot org Yeah you know blind to party but gone but not blind to solving problems. I guess he's my point. So and i'm just i'm just not about choosing aside anymore but it just doesn't make any sense to me. No thank you beth. For that correction of what i couldn't think of as as i labeled church polls at souls to the polls and it is a major Voting experience absolutely and dine with saying it's not just their donors money. they are trying to protect. Oh no it's not. They're trying to consolidate power hold onto it. Yes exactly. that's why i'm saying. The arguments made an articles that are largely coming from. You know Corporate news organizations. Okay are are towing that line. We got to keep that power. Only only way. We're going to continue to donate you as if if you if you retain power. That's how they look at it. And actually the news media is worse than some ways in corporate news media because they donate to both parties equally. They just don't tell you know that they do it equally. Why because they're buying access. That's absolutely what it is all right. So they're they're just as big of a problem. They're not doing their job. They're not they're not you know tell. They're not fighting for the truth. They're fighting for corporate donors correct. I see corporations today making donations to to both political parties. I i compare them to weapons dealers weapons dealers us away deal to both sides of the conflict. They don't really care what what the fight is about. It's about influence and it's about consolidating a win win situation for them. But i do i. I compared them to weapons dealers because because of that fact you know they donate to the republicans. They've got access they donate to the report. The democrats they've got access so it's that's what it's all about for corporations and they don't care what the collateral damages along the way they don't care as long as their bottom lines buoy that's all they care about correct correct and then Let's see i believe. This is dawn and chat. He said An interesting report from the young turks or the ty t. network Show joe manchin. Oh os stock in a hotel. That pays a total of eleven dollars and one cent per hour one cent more than the eleven dollars per hour mentioned with proposing the minimum wage. Yep because I wonder why he wasn't willing to consider fifteen per hour or in other words. We're calling the fight for fifteen The quote if the if the federal pay analysis is accurate however and assuming two weeks of paid vacation it would mean W c o pays its workers and average hourly rate of eleven dollars and one cent or one cent more than mansions proposed minimum wage. That's correct. He has a lincoln chat there for you guys to that particular segment which i saw and that you know. That's the bottom line. You know this this this is why am i was watching what mansion. What's going to do relevant to deb. Hallen because again. I think i mentioned this on the last saturday. Show that the bureau of ocean and energy management of which falls under the department of the interior is the second largest revenue earner for united states federal government through oil and gas lease leases primarily. And so this is why things are heating up relevant to offshore wind space right now so mansion. Who is the chair. Now of the energy and natural resources committee in the senate appear to waffle at deb jalen's nomination by president biden so By the way her confirmation or the final vote for her for her to become the secretary will be this coming. Monday so And so you you know when we already gave you guys sort of deconstruction of some virtuous signaling. He was doing during that confirmation hearing. And why because it comes back down to the dollar. And that's why they're voting against the fifteen dollar an hour increase. It's it's it's political kabuki in one in one sense and they're using the kabuki theater to distract voters away from the fact that even with a fifteen dollar increase to the federal minimum wage. Prices are still going to go up. They have been going up since the last federal minimum wage increase in two thousand nine. I think it was People they keep throwing out that old argument. Well it's going to increase the cost of things. Well the cost of things have been going up sense if you haven't noticed if you haven't noticed that your favorite hamburger at your favorite hamburger joint cost you two to three dollars more than it did back in two thousand nine or that might be a little much. A dollar fifty. I'll say more than it did in two thousand nine. It's because they increase the price of their product. They wanted to sell you that same burger that you so faithfully go by. They wanted to charge you. A dollar fifty cents more knowing that you're going to pay it. You just reminded me this. This doesn't relate necessarily what you're talking about in terms of pricing but but quality is also a factor in this okay so they'll raise the prices of a product. The product's quality goes down right. A very good friend of mine got mad because he went to mcdonald's right Okay and he. He was upset because they were pitching new chicken sandwich. And the video. Not the video. In in senator brother or i might post it to with his permission but he did he put it on facebook so i guess i guess it wouldn't hurt anything. But but basically argument was like he goes. I'm trying to understand. Something egos let me show you the commercial that mcdonald's has for their new chicken sandwich and he actually play some of it right so you know the need took some of the you put it in there. This is what my mcdonald's just gave me the same sandwich. They were pitching which was beautifully. Shot big thick plump piece of chicken on a blah blah blah. Right and this thing gave him was a chick lang hide and seek nugget. Man it will get out. It was like they took a hammer impounded the crap out of a out of a chicken fillet to the point. Where i'm not even exaggerating. Was like it. Looked like it was paper thin and they put in. They put it in the bond and everything packing and gave it to him. He brought it back asked him to make him another one. They made him another one. He opened up. It looked exactly the same. They give him the same one. He goes what i'm showing you in. This video is the second one so they might be charging you more for this product. But what you're getting for that extra dollar fifty is a problem too is my brain and so it was crazy. Yeah the size. The quality everything has been decreased. Yeah wild up. While the cost for the product you being charged increases. Go to the grocery store and just kind of pay attention. Everyone just go to the grocery store the next time you're in a food market and pay attention to what you're buying and then think about you buying that same product a year. Two years ago you're going to notice that the packaging a smaller much smaller. I i go to the chip aisle. And i go there for a reason because i like to look. Get the the the different types of flavored smoke. They're blowing up people's rear ends and what they call a family size package of chips. These days used to be the regular sized package of chips. A large bag of chips two years ago three years ago but now that same size it's called the family size. The parties is what parties that bag of chips going to to body of ants. Not mine not mine. I'm trying to find the video place audio. Let me say let me say lazy but anyway so you know the next time. Somebody says well. I don't want to have to pay more for blah blah blah. Because sorry good. I don't want to have to pay more for blahdy blahdy blah because the price of wages went up. Just remind them you've been making seven twenty five or seven sixty five or whatever it sets two thousand nine and prices have steadily kept going up since two thousand nine and you didn't get one more opinion in wages right so that's the argument. They keep putting out there and people keep swallowing it hook line and sinker time to stop believing that that lie. It's not even a myth. It's a lie. Here's the audio the video players that okay all right is. Here's my friend. Let me. I gotta rewind it back up so. I'm just getting back from mcdonald's. And i bought the spicy chicken sandwich. The new one. And i'm thinking okay. Maybe this thing is going to be on the same level. As popeye's burger king even has a spicy chicken sandwich. I'm thinking all right. Let me get. This is going to be on the level because i don jr familial side of the building hong kah in look really big juicy sandwich. I'm thinking oh. I'm gonna give me a spicy chicken sandwich and this is just gonna be. They might be competing here with popeye's and burger king and all these other places. So here's the commercial for the spicy chicken sandwich. And i'm going to show you what i just got mcdonald's in my hometown okay. You're just when you thought it couldn't get any better than crispy juicy tender. We went and added spicy introducing. Mcdonald's spicy chicken sam now doesn't it look good. Look how big that piece of chicken is. It's coming outside of the barn as how big piece of chicken is in the commercial and how it looks on the side of the building. Now what. I got now mind you. I took one back in. This is the replacement spicy chicken sandwich that i was upset with. So here's what they gave me off the spicy. What what is this. Are you kidding me. Music is where. I i don't even. I'm looking for the chicken whereas the chick the pickle is almost as large piece of chicken. Autocare popeye's burger king. You have nothing to fear nothing because that is the spicy chicken sandwich. At mcdonald's i am extremely disappointed. Oh my god. I feel like crying. Chicken should not be treated that way. So yeah no habits to forty has been a long friend of mine in todd. hope yeah we we. We worked on some projects. So my buddy that. I used to work turtle patrol with how worlds a world renowned photographer. Four j. magazines And him and his wife wife is a food. Forget what her title of a food designer. I think that's what she's and she's called. And the food designers the person responsible for laying out these these designs that you see in these food magazines. So that was her job and they worked together Working for these magazines and they put out a couple of books and they would tell me you know some of the secrets as to how these things look so so wonderful. And i'm wondering if mcdonald's took a white castle slides slapped they're fully on it's taking their techniques and special lenses and all kinds of stuff that they use to always look you know so tempting and stuff and like lee made it spacey up this the machine and squishing it down so that that juicy goodness comes at it say is just insane but jomie. I'll i'll put his name and show to anyone. Wants to try to look up some of his work. He's he's gone now. He passed away about four years ago but wonderful. Wonderful photographer like said they would share secrets as to how they get things to look the way they do. And for a burger safe for instance. They don't the burger never gets cooked to its fullest. It's cooked enough to brown it right and then put on. The bunce keeps that nice firm thick juicy looking consistency. So it's just kind of funny all right. I think we're going to take a music break right now guys for we Continue on so appreciate you guys hanging in there and We'll be back in a few minutes. This is a track from Howard lions and this track is called spirit. Walk here you go And all cups in the sky. And so i figure that wasn't good day to die. Dust was towing a hand. My woman chilling stare heard nights screaming asking. Why the mall our has touched Heist all i tried to hold it. But i feel todd price price. When i turned around i myself tax others off beans the past i go howard. Lions track is called spirit. walk the title track. Actually if you're looking for the cd you wanna download it. It's called spirit. Walk as the name of the album as well and the track all right cool. He back with us brother. I am sweet sweet. So so we transition here This time a a all right here. We go as we like to say. You know you guys so many times on our show. We wish at least in our lifetimes that we could see less examples of racism in the united states that would be an indication of drew progress right but this segment sadly is designed to Well sadly in the sense that we have to do it. But it's designed to point out examples of racism in the country to help others identify it and hopefully fight against it so so we think this particular story. We have two different stories for you today but we think this will speak court so here. We go a white. georgetown law. professor was fired. Thursday after getting caught on video belittling black students during zoom call with a colleague saying they usually perform just plain at the bottom of her classes. Georgetown law dean bill trainer said. He was appalled by the conversation. Between now terminated adjunct professor. Sandra sellers and another faculty member david batson who was placed on administrative leave pending an investigation. I informed professor sellers that i was terminating. Her relationship with georgetown law effective immediately trainer wrote in a statement released thursday afternoon during our conversation. She told me that she had intended to resign. As a result of my decision professor sellers no longer affiliated with georgetown law. A brief clip posted to twitter. Wednesday showed sellers and batson. Having what they believed was a private discussion about a class. they jointly taught sellers. According to the georgetown. Black law students association was referencing. The only black student in her class the organization quickly called for her immediate resignation and a petition demanding her ouster garnered hundreds of signatures from students alumni and several georgetown faculty members. They were a bit. Jumbled suggest what i can put it. It's like okay lovey. Recent through that. What you just said came shortly. You know what. I hate to say this. I ended up having this angst every semester. That a lot of my lower are plaques. Almost every semester. And it's like oh come on you know. It's a really good wins but they're also usually center just plenty of water mattress. Be crazy so one good ones good ones them days. Yep that's that's talk of otherness exactly. And there's no place for for that in academia like that academia doesn't need that kind of ignorant and you know anyone's wondering why why why she had to leave the post and i doubt very seriously anybody would wonder that but if you're a person of color and you're going to college in you know obviously this was made available publicly and we just did it here. How you go into her classroom or lectures and assume you're going to get a fair shake. Assume that the grading that you would receive is fair on the up and up you know you can't decree you couldn't possibly and you know and i know in my personal case in to look at me. I'm not you say that that's a person of color. But you know I am in in the sense that My my ethnic background includes people of color. How would you ever feel like you know you're you're going to be fairly well. The word i'm using is graded on an older person. I guess that sense but you know the scoring system inside of college sort of escapes me but rated rated or yeah. I have challenges would the economic system as a whole as you guys know. This isn't a paint. A broad brush on every single education institution that. They're all full of people like her. No but my point to history again. Where do these institutions largely. Come from well not from here and pardon me is why. Why should i give them money. That's part of it too. An okay sure. I could get grants. I suppose for my education and let the federal government pay for some of it. But they're still being enriched. If i don't agree with the application of of the academic setting shall we say so it. It's it's you know. Why do people like just get seated having these biases they get caught later and that and then and only then is the problem addressed santa understand what the what the prerequisite are screening processes for for college professors or or anybody. That's teaching students. Well in this particular case. I'm going to step out on a limb and say she didn't think that anything would come of this because of who she was not because she's a professor but because of her ethnic makeup she didn't think it you know anybody that hurt it within that little group would have said anything that speaks privilege. Of course i hear you know. I hear things like this from from non melania people all the time. It's always an expression of otherness. But why why do why. Why do those people act that way. Why can't those people do this or that conform. Not like the rest of us. Why today. why can't they understand blah blah blah. I hear crap like this from non mellon hundred people all the time has you know has application obviously to our indigenous communities as well i mean i mean it's it's a matter of you have to conform to our our ways which is why we always argued that you know over. You know certain subjects such as indigenous education indigenous history or native american history. You're a native american history. Starting this is slowly changing which we also need to point out in appreciate that that some of these courses are slowly starting to get you know be indigenous lead because if i compare for example native american studies programs and who's leading them versus say african american studies programs or african culture studies programs. It's night and day. They inevitably a call. College will inevitably seat a a black american over an african studies program faster than they will in a native a native american over a native studies program. I'll stand on that fact probably till the day pass away unfortunately but as i said it is slowly changing but in our needs to change faster. But what is you know not the subject. But what is you know. A individual college is responsibility for screening biases. Because again these people are going to be responsible. This this lady in this example was responsible for Whether or not somebody gets a degree or not certainly she contributes to it in some cases. You know that. If someone's gpa goes down part of a point because this person didn't like them and that people of color perform worse that could affect somebody's future and does and it does. It happens just that way. Not only at your higher. Higher levels of academia happens that way even in your lower grades from kindergarten all the way up to university level so some of my point At least in terms of a higher education learning institution is. You're not doing enough enough just because you fire someone because you know the these are the positions they harbor. Doesn't you know your problem isn't solved. Nope your problem is in how you're screening your leaders and that's what i never hear addressed. I hear what we remove. The problem in our institution does not harbor we with with with the blanket language. They always use brother. We do not condoning. We don't condone blah blah blah blah blah right. Now good enough just because you say you don't condone something. I don't condone having diarrhea either. But it still happens. Wow i did not need that visual. I'm sorry but you know. Welcome to the dave gray. All analogy our an man. Yeah well that'll do it for today. I hear i hear the point. I hear the point. You don't do something to address it. It's gonna keep happening. So you're you're you're right. They you know they they eliminate a blip on the radar because somebody saw it. Okay eight now that say well. It's tied the screen a little bit so nobody sees another one exactly. Yeah that's basically what it boils down to but like you say if they don't address the the the method the methodology. It's the problem. The methodology leads to inconsistencies. it leads to violations. It leads to harm because if they don't address how they're doing something the how it's going to come apply and the whys begun to become a win. That's what's going to happen. You know this lady. If they hadn't of if this hadn't have come to light she would have contained you teaching And then you know it would have become a win. When when does it become a problem where it starts to affect students great. It's always been a problem listening to her talk. It's always been a problem. She's always been looking at people of color with with the stink eye. She's always had a jaded view of people of color and look to other staff members. I'm not. I'm not saying it's easy. You know you know I don't want to route somebody out or or or if i'm exaggerating or in i understand. Those dynamics believe me. It's never an easy thing but but team my opinion this. This is why we need to continue to advocate for you know. I guess you'd call it whistle blower laws right right so that you can feel safe in reporting these types of bad behaviors anonymously insecurity and safely. I agree to help weed out the problem children because again. It's not it's not that the entire or necessarily as you know has has a problem. And i can't. I'm capable of separating the two you know but certainly yes when when these situations arise they they must be addressed and then like i said they have to take the extra step and say okay. Here's how we're going to address future potential problems. There are screening process. So beth commented a brother a good analogy creates a clear visual and is memorable good job. David true if that's not memorable i don't know what is true. Love it love it all right so next. We want to focus on another story from this past week That also was all over the internet and cable news. And that was the interview conducted by oprah winfrey of prince harry and meghan markle and supposedly realization that hey members of the family Just be a little bit racist. The conversation of he won't be given security could be given a title and also concerns and conversations about how dark-skinned might be when he's born. What and who who is having that conversation with you. What so there is a congress Hold hold out. There are several conversations. Conversation with you with harry about how dark your baby's going to be potentially and what that would mean or look like and you're not gonna tell me who had the conversation i think that'd be very damaging to them so then later in that interview. Prince harry joined the conversation. I know presents the same question to him regarding the questions that he apparently alone received about their son archie and presumably now there yet to be born daughter and and their skin color. So here's that part of the conversation. Megan shared with us. That there was a conversation with you about archie skin tone. What was that conversation. But i'm never going to shy But at the time you oakridge are sharks can you. Can you tell us what the question was comfortable. Sharing not Was at the beginning right. Like what will the baby look like the kids. The kids look at the beginning when she wasn't going to get security when members of my family was suggesting that she carries on ten because not money to pay for her. And all this sort of stuff like there was some real this signs before we even got married. This was going to be really hot. Thoughts brother not surprised by any of it. If you look at the monarchy even though there was a couple of dark complected. Melania complected members of the royal family. They were anomalies for the most part the british monarchy has remained say lily white Period and the reason for that is because it was designed that way. It wasn't an accident. It was designed that way whether or not there is melanesian ancestry within their their family tree. Who knows but by all appearances. They want people to believe that there is no melanie. Aided ancestry within their family tree and it just speaks to you know where the origins of racism in this country came from. It came from people from england people from of dutch inhabitants. And you know. The european countries we in this country did not create racism. Native people in this country did not create racism. You know if you if you study african history. If you study latin america latin history spanish history. Well maybe not spain so i'll exclude spain because they hung up on certain things as well but most of your countries that had heavy indigenous populations before. They were decimated. You won't find any reference to them. Having a problem with someone's skin color with one exception they had never seen the person before and they were curious. Those are the only references you will find two different skin colors with indigenous people encountering non melanoma individuals. They were anomalies to those people they were curious about for. They had never seen a white person before. But you will not finding references anywhere of native or indigenous peoples hating neighboring indigenous. People because of their skin colour won't find him know it we. I mean we mentioned the episode today. You know we've had territorial wars for sure absolutely no question. I mean more as in depth but the know but our our oral stories some speaking for my own nation you know spoke of You know these these skirmishes with With with some of our with some of our relatives unfortunately now we share a common history relevant to Not our disagreements but but what was imposed upon us right and that had nothing to do with What we would define today racial makeup and so yeah so the realization of that attitude towards their children and towards megan. Not surprising. And i i was explaining to today if before we went on air today that i connected to this. You know for obvious reasons. I i am i am a mixed person myself and and And so i. I understand those dynamics quite a bit There's something else that. I wanna address in a minute as well. That is probably surprised. Few folks but anyway. I experienced this myself as a teenager. I may have told the story on the air already. But i'll i'll do it again Mrs when i was probably sixteen seventeen years old and i had started seeing a girl again when i was in high school i i attended a technical trade school. As opposed to regular you know what would be traditionally a regular high school. And and i'd met this girl Probably at one of these problems are these social events right because we would you know you just attend these things through friends and whatnot and we started dating and For whatever reason her father decided to or To to do a better word investigatory Work about my father and found out he you know is a person of color and I was trying to call this girl on one particular day. I must have put in. Like i don't know teens. Are we put in like ten calls a day right thinking well. She wasn't answering my calls and finally that evening I call again and her father. Answers and basically sesame that You know i mean no disrespect but My daughter won't be seeing you anymore because i was raised. That you know The racist don't mix was what he told me. And i had never had to deal with that Directly at that point in my life right It's not that my parents shielded me from that kind of stuff you know but You know this is somebody. I really liked and so i was having a tough time dealing with it had a confrontation with my parents. And so they like there are people in the world that harbor that position so that was in essence my my first exposure to you know kind of thing and you know it might not be as severe as you know as as my brother puts time and time again melanie person but it does happen to those of us that are mixed and other ways know when people find out that i'm native american The tone often changes the conversation. Often changes people's demeanor for whatever reason changes and and so i can understand What this couple is going through And just because one of the two people are from a royal family. If you will doesn't change aspects of love doesn't change aspects of the desire to spend the rest of your life with someone and Sorry that's my dog barking in the background. You can hear that. So i can understand. Some of the the dynamics in as dave said already doesn't surprise me that there are people in the so-called kingdom that that harbor those viewpoints again historic know that there are examples. Aw i think there's even a television show that is on the air right now. That looks sat in a well. Where the royal people all way people right I can't remember the name of the show. But anyway i'm glad that there are You know other types of content coming out there that The deal with this so the other side of this for the the clips. We just played for you guys when i first heard this. I'm going to direct us at oprah The way it landed with me initially is what i would describe as fake outrage. What they said that come on now. Why do i say that. Well first of all this was a part of the interview in its airing was a partnership between oprah's television network and that of cbs. So i get that you're you you worry about ratings in their world. Okay but in a million years. You will never convince me that. That shocked oprah winfrey as a woman of color. Okay so i felt like it. Was it teetered on fake outrage. And here's why i say that. In our indigenous cultures and other cultures of color you will find more openness non people of color until other intel dynamic changes meaning. We experienced racism than we closed down but initial first contact. We don't necessarily close the door. So why should this surprise her. What the royal family said that. Come on we know it will right even as a mix person you know it well. I just found that disingenuous. That reaction i appreciate. She did the interview. And i appreciate that. They put that reality out there. But do not pretend to be outraged. That's a critique. I put forward so thank you. It's so i guess about babayo so just to just to wrap that up to the royal family. John also in in in in. We'll call it television production circles. Lotta times The questions are not maybe not all aspects of it but but generally You sometimes give your guests can idea where you're going to be talking about in questions that you're going to be asking so another contributing factor to why felt like it was potentially some fake outrage. Okay all right all right in your upper. Excuse me in other news why we took cocaine of soda all day to you. Know what's this was written by. James hamlyn four the atlantic dot com. This is an older article. But i thought it was kind of interesting. So that's why i'm calling to share. The article goes on to read win cocaine and alcohol meat inside a person such a meeting. The they create a thirty neak. Drug called coca ethylene coca ethylene. Works like cocaine but with more your for you so in eighteen give for you just saying step right up now. I'm not anything guys and drink. I don't smoke about straight. Laced is right so experiment with cbd or now or what. They refer to sister cousin product. The wacky weed smells like don't partake in it and then last but not least for anybody who was wondering. No wonder if you knew anything about. Pota do but don't do okay. I'm gonna say your second hander. Your breathe sorry alright. So in eighteen. Sixty three parisian chemist angelo mariani. Sounds like an italian name but who am i. When he combined cocoa or cocoa and wine started selling it was one of the first drug dealers. I guess a butterfly did flap its wings. His vin mariani became extremely extremely popular. Jules verne alexander damascus and alexander. Arthur conon doyle were among the literary figures. Said to have used it and the chief. Rabbi of france said praise. be tomorrow yanni's wine. That was a quote from the old chief. Rabbi pope leo. The thirteenth reported carrying a flask of it regularly and gave mariani metal seeing this commercial success. Dr john sit pemberton in atlanta himself. A morphine addict following an injury and the civil war set out to make his own version. He called pemberton's french wine coca and marketed. It as a panacea among many fantastic claims he called it. Quote a most wonderful invigorated of a boy sexual organs and quote so he started that ball rolling. I'll tell you what that ball is in a minute. But as pemberton's business started to take off a prohibition was passed in this county in georgia a local one that predated the eighteenth amendment by thirty four years soon. French wine coca was illegal because of the alcohol. Not the cocaine and that amendment was anyone. No prohibition pemberton remained a step ahead though he replace the wine in the formula with healthier sugar syrup. It's new product debuted in eighteen. Eighty six coca cola the temperance drink. After that as grace elizabeth hale recounted recently in the new york times coca cola quoting quickly caught on as an intelligent as an intellectual beverage among well off whites in code but when the company started selling it in bottles and eighteen ninety nine minorities who couldn't get into the segregated soda fountain suddenly had access to it hale. Explains anyone with a nickel black or white could now drink the cocaine infused battle middle class whites worried. That soft drinks were contributing to what they saw as as exploding cocaine use among african americans. So you know where this is leading to folks. Southern newspapers reported that quote negro cocaine fiends in quote where raping white women. The police powerless to stop them by. Nineteen three then manager of coca cola. Acer griggs chandler had bowed to white fears and a wave of anti narcotics legislation removing the cocaine and adding more sugar and caffeine. Now the only reason that happened worse because people of color were able to purchase the product. So they had to demonize people of color because it wasn't a longer exclusively available to whites-only hails account of the role of racism. There you go and social injustice in coca cola. Removal of coca is corroborated by the attitudes that the shaped subsequent. Us cocaine regulation movement. Cocaine wasn't ill wasn't even illegal until nineteen fourteen. Eleven years after coca cola change but a massive surge in cocaine use was at its peak at the turn of the century recreational use increased fivefold in a period of less than two decades during that time racially oriented articles about rape and other violence and social effects more so than physical health concerns came to shape the discussion. Of course it did the same hyper sexuality that was talented touted as a selling point doing the short lived. Glory days of vin. Mariani was now a crooks cocaine bigoted indictment the in. Us state department official. Dr hamilton right said in nineteen ten. And i quote the use of cocaine by by the negroes of the salvors is one of the most elusive and troublesome questions with confront. The enforcement of the law often the direct incentive to the crime of rape by the negroes. Eager the in quilt. Dr williams described the medical standard in nineteen. Fourteen quoting again the negro who has become a cocaine doper is a constant menace to his community. His whole nature is changed for the worse timid negroes developed degree of dutch carriage which is sometimes almost incredible. Even yes even. The dutch were not from racism. The coca cola. We now we know today still contains coca but the excuse me the the eck guine the echo y nine alkaloid is removed from it perfecting that extraction took until nineteen twenty nine. So before there were still trace amounts of coca psycho active elements and coca cola as dominik street field. I think that's how it's been else. Forgive me if. I mispronounced the scribes and cocaine an unauthorized biography. The extraction is now done at amy jersey chemical processing facility by coca by a company called step by step in thought they went out of business in two thousand three step pan imported one hundred. Seventy five thousand kilograms of coca for coca cola. That's enough to make more than two hundred million dollars worth of cocaine. They were further to the coca leaf. Extract simply as merchandise number five. The facility is guarded. Might wonder why. I wonder why i wonder what i wonder what they're doing with the extract of selling it to the pharmaceutical companies. I wonder i'm have to research that. Sparta them during a vaccine. It's a joke. That's a joke okay. Native opinion revealed right. I'm wondering if i'm wondering if they do sell the extract that they they take out wondering if they do sell it to the pharmaceutical industry because some of the packing that used of for people that under go rhino plastic or no surgery. The gauze is infused with cocaine extracts. And that's too that's too dead the the nerve receptors and the nose is they're shoving five yards of gauze into your sinuses lights. I just thought of stem being stuffed up. Your nose is just unappealing. We'll just leave that trust me. It is appealing. Yeah surgeries or guys really up to that. I told her. I told you about one particular surgery. I think from my gastric bypass some. I told them you guys got put me out. If you're gonna put the hose domino's nope pulling out so yeah yeah. Low bosch is no fun. That's called okay. i. I don't know all i know is not fun so i can say is it's horrible. It's a horrible feel. I know. I know i hated getting my brains scraped for kobe test. So magic just okay. You know it's like i just never okay. I'm all right now. Okay all right. I'm gonna have to research that. Because i'm wondering if they do sell it to. The pharmaceutical pharmaceutical industry wouldn't surprise me. Here's a little factoid by. I won't play the clip. But i'll try to share it maybe on facebook We were talking. Another kind of crossover fact which i i wasn't aware of this. I'm sure your maybe brother. American whiskey brands team up to diversify the industries is the title of this is just a paragraph here from us know. Cbs news piece. So the two thousand sixteen the legendary jack daniels. Whiskey acknowledged that an enslaved man. Nathan nearest green taught jack daniels how to make whisky tundra. That's true that's that's absolutely true. That's where the recipe came from factoid. Green has since been honored with his own brand called uncle. Nearest the fastest growing independent american whiskey brand in us history quote cbs. This morning saturday. Close quote coast michelle miller who has followed this story for nearly three years shares. How the companies are utilizing to inspire a new generation of whiskey pioneers. But as i said. I'll share this on facebook guys. Want to watch it but very very very very good story. Very cool and Not widely known again as we peel back. American history to reveal real truth and also reminded me i was i. I don't drink any kind of alcohol at all right but for some reason i have this i have. This is dave takes for glass bottle and kadeer sorry but I watch this show called moon. Shiners let me just eighty as i probably admit to something i don't do personally but For whatever reason just fascinated with how they can make a tv show about something that's completely illegal by a bunch of largely white people sitting in the middle of the west virginia woods making an illegal product. But anyway you guys try to figure it out but the problem with the these forms of quote unquote reality. Tv which by larger not real reality at all the did an episode not too long ago. Where this where. We're this guy. Who insists on wearing jean overalls with no shared on and just really bothers me anyway okay. There's this guy on the show that that's what they do and He decides that he wants to recreate the original colonial way of making a spirit and the problem. The problem the problem inevitably is whenever they talk about going back in time and doing something. The old way in inevitably brings up native people into the conversation. Right so i wanna learn how to make how they made the moonshine stuff. I understand that you know some things that were borrowed. From native americans and inevitably they started talking about new talk about how they make paul mash component of making i guess grain alcohol right okay and so he goes through his investigative research. Find out look. We gotta get ourselves so native american corn and. I'm just like you know this. This thing lord of mercy and so. They spent an entire episode him grinding up. You know what's normally referred to is native american car or or what do you call it. brown corn. Okay grinding up into a mash and it's very very clear that when they made the smash it tasted it and they're like they're trying so hard to talk all positive about it when it was very clear they didn't like it but anyway it's quite nasty as it's being religious and it's just everything in that episode became how americans did it. I'm like jeeze but you don't have any native people in your episode and showing you so it's just bothersome when this kind of stuff happens but you know it's always it's always when you grab the edge of your chair whenever they start talking about colonial times and now how they how how they original people used to make it like that and i'm just like please don't go there. Okay because there are folks out here that will challenge you on that right. So you know what gets me as the homogenization of of native peoples like when he and his his his monologue native how native americans used to do it. Okay so you know. You're you're implying that every native nation in the country made mashing made it this way. That's what he's implying so anyway. Just saying guys watch the show moon genders come across episode. There was salt over your back. Okay i'm just saying beth said hey. My daddy and grandfather ran a steel in michigan not to pull to say the airport. We do not moon shining. Come a long way. They now sell it commercially And they have all these different brands. And flavors that's come out. Well that's not. That's not moan. John you know. That's that's ninety percent of this show now and gentleman that i'm referring to in this particular episode he is. He's the only one doing it legally so presumably have very brand that you're talking about his so all right. Let's see last article guys. Wrap up the episode today. Thank you guys hanging out with us on a saturday right title. Res this iowa landowner bought. Excuse me a creek back to life. This is put out by the des moines register dot com written by mike keelan. It looks like and Article goes on here to say out of joy. Chester iowa michael Ostra home found the heartbeat of his Albuquerque o but pronounced that right county land opening a small crevice in the earth. The springs cold water poured over what was once a cornfield and found its natural path. He gave birth to a long lost creek. Reversing a longtime W-we trend of diverting creeks to make crop fields more cold water. Streams are being improved in northeast iowa but alter home is uncommon because he shouldered the cost he was nearly giddy standing aside it shutting his earlier straight faced scientific tone and described the joy in all the life that returned to his valley including the rare native brook trout Talk so weird symbol. That rather talk to myself. Sometimes he said on a soggy morning prior to earth. Day on saturday saying to myself. Can i believe it oster home. Is he renowned a ep. Epidemiologist that word. Yeah thinking the allergists okay at the university of minnesota see. This is why. I should have went to college right at the university of minnesota and doesn't even mention the new york times piece he authored recently on infectious disease. As a growing national security problem before he tackled such weighty issues ostra home grew up in northeast iowa's rolling hills fishing along fast degrading streams and returns frequently in the in middle age for his labor of love. Making one small sliver of earth healthy again. I think that similar supposed to be an. I love how the human spirit goes and it does what it wants to do. Once that positive a sorry. For some reason. Mike copy I'm getting a little funky characters. Maybe you should be brother. Because i yes say. It's the same thing here. How is it. Yeah some reason. That's just the way it came out. Okay i'll read it. I love how the human spirit goes and does what it wants to do that. That positive thing so cloudy mcgee and iowa city artists who illustrated the new children's book creek finding on oster homes efforts. That's true neighbor. Told him you can't do that. You can't rebuild. The creek added the author. Jacqueline briggs martin mount vernon but he did one of the first people he talked to was the prior owners grandson. He told oster home that he wants fished in a stream on land. All oster home saul was a cornfield. He's a scientist so he researched. He looked over the ground and began to see where the groundless augie. During wet periods implanted small flags as rough as a rough guess of its path he found. Usda aerial photos of the land prior to blahdy blah. Spring water was diverted to a ditch along the road. So the farmer could plan corn the streams path in. The photograph matched his flags. The water was trying to find. Its way back to its original location. He said once. The area teamed with once the area team with such creeks. The drift drift. Let's area something square miles area on the corner. We're eleanor wisconsin. And minnesota meet wasn't label pass. Glacial advances leaving the landscape of bluffs with deeply crabs bedrock close to the surface springs flowed through with cold water so the basic premise of this. This article is this man. Decided to revive a creek that had been diverted over the years for irrigation. And i'm glad he did that. And that's why this article was chosen because it's all about the water and this gentleman saw the value of of water and it can do and he in turn he created or i should say he brought back the ecosystem that used to exist before mankind stuck his fingers in it. Tim said brook. Trout have have started to return and are now reproducing. And that's what they were doing long before. Man's got got greedy and start doing things that he shouldn't So you know. The the ecosystem was returned to its natural beauty to include wildflowers and plants. Other animals started coming back to the area. So i think that's a good thing. My hat goes off to him for doing that. I don't know if he's native or not in this particular instance. It doesn't matter because he took the time to understand how important water is and how important water was to that area and to the the animals and plants that are in that area. So kudos to you buddy. Absolutely yeah because That's why like when i when i watch kiss the ground. It was pretty impactful because most of the challenges we have unfortunately are are pretty much. You know man-made largely as a result agreed Want more so that than than you know Survival right In so how do you grow stuff. When there's no water pretty damn difficult you know so the more the more actions people like this can take the better off. It'll be you know plus fuss which of course addressing other turns that need to happen. That's why i'm so torn over alternative energy. Because i know we need to do it. But you know where they're putting stuff up is just I wish this was more of a visual show. 'cause i'd love to show everybody a map. A wind map as was pitched for the whole united states. Not just the ocean parts The what what is being planned as we speak is the while you know. I'll just. I'll just put it that way especially for any of you folks. Listening that are in the midwest. North dakota south dakota you guys yeah well i got to watch kiss the ground. I'm glad he did you do okay. Oh yes and it reminded me of something that i had always known but i had forgotten about and how important soil is as a as ecosystem and as a carbon bald and these things i especially the ecosystem portion of of soil. I always knew it. But i've forgotten about it and in a square meter of soil. You literally have millions of different animals and organisms leading in square meter of soil and when pesticides and herbicides are used those organisms become victim to the chemicals that just get sprayed on that that square meter of soil and the soil becomes sterile. It becomes unusable. Nothing will grow in their hardly because the organisms that are in there are providing nutrients to the soil when they die when they release waste product. They're pr- they're enriching that soil in creating nutrients for plants who trap the carbon and put it in the soil for those organisms to use it. So it's just. I encourage people to watch that on food water and air. I talk about this stuff. All the time and i mentioned kissed the ground and how important that video documentary really us. And if you're woody harrelson fan you'll like it even more. Because he narrates it but that aside please watch kiss the ground if you can. I'm going to go back and watch it again. Because i'm hoping that the scientist that's trying to get more people more farmers aware of how important the soil is I i hope he's more successful than he already is. And yes it's called. Kiss the ground. Beth in you can watch it on netflix. I don't know if it's available anywhere else. But that's that's my brother. Made me aware of it so someone made me aware but on net flix. Yeah it was me okay. I take credit. I've actually. I actually had it in my queue for a long time. I hadn't watched it. I hadn't had time to watch it. You know my schedule's being frigging nuts but but yeah finally Watched over a lunch longer. Lynch that i had finally and yeah yeah i opening stuff in there especially around Some practice is that the farmers just sort of now take for granted which is called tilling the ground it turns out. It's one of the worst thing you could do absolutely to to your soil And then the other. The other takeaway is brain why do you do this embarrasses me every time Thirty nine okay. What was it in relation to tilling Know detroit dirt detroit dirt. Yes i look at that one. I researched them a little bit. Yeah it has. Its compost composting in that importance. And and how you can create compost Out of you know for example. A restaurant wastes in leftovers To be able to make make your help make your soil more healthy for for growing in. Use that kind of thing. So you can compost locally right at home it has to do with it has to do with destroying the topsoil topsoil in its ability to absorb nitrogen so and we already have a problem getting nitrogen back down from the earth's atmosphere because all the other crap putting up in their carbon dioxide the earth from oil and gas industry but the earth is is designed to be a carbon balled basically the dirt that organisms in the soil utilize the carbon that gets pulled out of the air by the plant. So when we till we take that ability away topsoil is exposed to the environment wind and rain and the sun in it literally literally dries out the soil layer. It drives the earth and all of those organisms that i mentioned in that square meter soil. If the plant material is not there to help retain moisture. They're exposed to heat. And evaporation takes place and they die. So it's kind of a city founded on the canadian natural good okay. So that's that's why tilling is bad because there aren't recovery crops that are useful he planted to let the soil regenerate they just keep telling over and over and planting feeling and planting until now getting some research on the dust bowl and that will give you an exact reason and it's a great example. White tilling is bad for the soil. I know this. This feels like an episode where we're picking on new europeans but The the modern form of telling was brought here again right ox and in some cases but mostly ox pulling plows through the dirt What's the you know the earliest forms of that. Making you know planting in rows You know We just had a different approach in some of our indigenous communities. I know like in our case. We planted in mounds but other other people may may have done differently but needless to say There's there's just different ways you can you can do it so anyway Yeah so that that's just some some good background there but but all right cool. So i think that's going to do it for for this week. You guys we appreciate it as always and so i'll play us out here but But again if you wanna comment on anything you just heard You can email us hosts with an s. hosts that native opinion dot com. And or you can reach us by voicemail. Wanna send us a voice message. We'd love that. It's an eight six zero eight hundred five five nine five. That's the number there and all social media or other channels as well so my name is michael kicking bear. I am from speaking to you from our industrial territory about we in central territory which was then changed. Renamed to the state of connecticut. And the guy over there. He is david grail citizen of the cherokee tribe alabama dot dot com a bid. You good afternoon be well. Please continue away. Your mask vaccinated or not. Yes please wear your mask. We have a long way to go. Yeah now i wanna talk about that. But we shouldn't false flags going on out there in the media all right you guys have a good one thank you very much be well take care bye bye.

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New report warns of more violence from Trump election fraud narratives

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New report warns of more violence from Trump election fraud narratives

"The show weeknights at nine eastern on. Msnbc has been a little over twenty four hours since police say a twenty one year old man and an atlanta area spa with a gun. He killed four people there and injured one other. He then drove about half an hour. Forty five minutes down the road enter to war spas and shot and killed four other people. Those two locations eight people dead. All three of the spas targeted by that suspect were staffed predominantly by people of asian descent. Seven of the eight victims. Were women all but one of the women killed were of asian descent. The suspect was apprehended and taken into custody late last night he was charged with eight counts of murder law enforcement. Say that he has. He has admitted to the shootings. Police say he told them that he has a sex addiction. And that's why. He says he killed all those women working in those spas because he wanted to eliminate his temptation for his addiction or something. Police say in talking with the suspect. He gave them no indication that the killings were racially motivated. Even if they did predominantly target. Asian women police captain in the cherokee county sheriff's department which is the turkey counties where the where the first shooting took place when he discussed the suspects explanation for the shooting. He told reporters because the suspect was having a quote bad day. Yesterday that's what he said as if that was an explanation for why. The young man apparently decided to murder people. The police captain said exactly quote. Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did. Those remarks seeming to imply that having a bad day is the explanation. We need for what the murderer did. Those remarks were met with an immediate backlash given the nature of the crime here it was shortly thereafter discovered that that same police captain himself had promoted racist anti asian corona virus slogans online. This is a since deleted post from that police captains facebook account saying how much he loves this new t shirt that he got and you can see their shirt says a covert nineteen imported virus from china. That's the guy who said this guy was just having a bad day and no indication of any racial animus as to whether biscuits charged as a hate crime or under any other federal statutes. The fbi said. Today they're prepared to investigate these murders as a federal matter. If information comes to light pointing to a potential federal civil rights violation we shall see but regardless of what the suspect says his motivation was or police characterize it regardless of what that kind of an investigation may eventually find. It's impossible to divorce. These murders from the backdrop of radically increasing attacks targeting asian americans recently hate crimes against asian-americans increased by nearly one hundred and fifty percent in the last year alone. One nonprofit that tracks these things says there's been nearly thirty eight hundred incidents involving hate and harassment directed at asian americans and pacific islanders. Just in the last year in the united states michelle. how is a state senator in georgia. She's the first asian american woman to serve as a senator in that state. She told the washington post today that last night shootings quote took place in a landscape where asian americans are increasingly terrified and fearful for their lives and their safety because of these escalating threats against people we know of course have a woman of black and south asian descent sitting in one of the highest positions of power in this country vice president. Kamala harris is the first female vice president. The first black vice president the first south asian vice president. She spoke a little bit today. About how a speculation on the motive of the shooter right now is a little bit beside the point in terms of the impact of these killings on the asian american community regardless of what that killer ever does or doesn't say or explain about these murders. The fact of them speaks for itself. The investigation is ongoing. We don't yet know. We're not yet clear about the motive. But i do want to say to our asian american community that we stand with you and understand how this has frightened and shocked and outraged all people but knowing the increasing level of hate crime against our asian american brothers and sisters. We also want to speak out in solidarity with them and acknowledged that none of us should ever be silent in the face of any form of hate i suppose it had kamala harris today on the horrific mass shooting at three different sites in the atlanta metro area last night as we continue to follow that developing story out of georgia tonight. I need to tell you a just a few minutes here on the show we're gonna be joined live by the new. Us senator from georgia. The reverend raphael warnock senator worn out gave. What's known as a maiden speech today in the senate. When a newly elected senator makes his or her first speech on the senate floor. It's kind of a landmark thing for that senator also for the senate Lots of senators tend to turn out to see these things when they happen Senator warnock today started his maiden speech with a prayer for the families of those killed in the atlanta attacks. Last night he said this kind of attack on the asian community should cause us to recommit ourselves to the way peace what he described as an active peace that prevents these kinds of tragedies from happening in the first place and just from that beginning. Which actually he did outlive ahead of his prepared remarks. You're reminded that this is not just any new. Senator maiden speeches are always a big deal but this particular. New senator is also the senior pastor at the baptist church in atlanta the church. Where the reverend. Dr martin luther king junior preached from nineteen sixty until he was assassinated in nineteen sixty. Eight ebeneezer baptist. Congregation of the great civil rights icon. John lewis who left us last year for home. The twenty one twenty twenty one redrafting of the voting rights act is named this year. reverend raphael. warnock. Senator walk was john lewis's pastor at avenue baptist and so this was not like any other maiden speech you've ever heard before in the senate it is. It is something. It really something to have a pastor with that kind of experience and that kind of talent take the floor of the senate as if it is a pulpit. My dear friends. Steve bannon who works on the show who i've worked with now for more than a decade. Steve is somebody who watches the congress more closely with more intense focus on the details than any other living person. I know who is not themselves. Member of congress after senator warnock gave the speech today steve bannon wrote to me today to say that in his lifetime he has never seen a better maiden speech in the senate and i am going to play some of it for you. Now you've probably saw quotes may have heard that happened. You should actually see some of it. Because i think i think it's an amazing thing to see but it's also the kind of moment that can potentially move things that could move the proverbial needle in this case on the vote and on the lie that the last election was stolen and we must therefore respond to that lie with some sort of material changes to the right to vote. Just watch this if you are. I'll just tell you you will thank me if you doing the dishes. Or if you've got the show on in the background while you're doing some other stuff do yourself a favor. Pause me for a minute. If you need take some time to settle down but just take a second. Just sit down for a second and and watch this. I think you'll be glad you did. I was on and on a few occasions to stand with our hero and my parisian. Her john lewis. I was his pastor. But i'm clear he was my mentor on more than one occasion. We boarded buses together after sunday. Church services as part of our souls to the polls program encouraging the church family and communities of faith to participate in the democratic process. Now just a few months. Out to congressman lewis. Is death there those in the georgia legislature. Som- who even dare to praise his name that amount trying to get rid of sunday souls to the polls making it a crime for people who prey together to get on a bus together in order to vote together. I think that's wrong. Matter of fact. I think that a volt is a kind of prayer for the kind of world we desire for ourselves and for our children to be sure we have seen these kinds of voter suppression tactics before they are part of a long and shameful history and georgia and throughout our nation but refusing to be denied georgia citizens and citizens across our country brave the heat and the cold and rain some standing in line for five hours six hours ten hours just to exercise their constitutional right to vote. Young people old people sick people working people already underpaid forced to lose wages to pay a kind of coal tech's while standing in line to vote and how to some politicians respond. Well they're trying to make it a crime to give people water and a snack as they wait in lines at are obviously being made longer by their draconian. Actions think about that. They're the ones making the lines. Longo for these coney and actions then they want to make it a crime to bring some water while she's waiting in a line that they're making longer make no mistake. This is democracy in reverse. Some politicians did not approve the choice made by the majority of voters in a hard fought election in which each side got the chance to make its case to the voters and rather than adjusting their agenda rather than changing their message. They're busy trying to change the rules. We are witnessing right now. A massive save an unabashed assault on voting rights. Unlike anything we've ever seen. Since the jim crow era since january election some two hundred and fifty voter suppression bills have been introduced by state legislatures all across the country from georgia to arizona from new hampshire to florida using the big lie voter fraud as a pretext for voter suppression the same big law. That led to a violent insurrection on this very capital the day after my election within twenty four hours elected georgia's first african american jewish senator hours later the capital was assault. We see in just a few precious hours. The tension very much alive and the soul of america and the question before all of us at every moment is what will we do to push in the right direction. Surely the ought to be at least sixty in this chamber. Who believe as i do that. The four most powerful words uttered in a democracy are the people have spoken therefore we must ensure that all of the people can speak but if not we must still pass voting rights. The right to vote is preservative of all other rights. It is not just another issue alongside other issues. It is foundational. It is a reason why any of us has the privilege of standing here in the first place it is about the covenant we have with one another as an american people eat pluribus unum out of many one. It above all else must be protected and so as i close. Nobody believes a preacher. When he says close let me say that. I as a man of faith i believe that democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea the sacred worth of all human beings the notion that we all have within us a spark of the divine. A right to participate in the shaping of our destiny. John lewis understood that and was beaten on a bridge. Defending amelia boynton like so many women. Not mentioned nearly enough was guest on that same bridge. White woman named viola seoul was killed. Mega evans was murdered in his own driveway. Schwerin chaney and goodman to jews. In an african american standing up for that sacred idea of democracy also paid the ultimate price and we in this body would be stopped and study me. Bipartisan politics short term political gain senate procedure. I say let's get this done. No matter what i urge my colleagues to pass these two bills strengthened and lengthened. The cords of our democracy secure our credibility as the premier voice for freedom loving people and democratic movements all over the world and when the future for all of our children. Mr president i yield the floor. Us senator from the great state of georgia. The reverend raphael warnock. You very rarely hear applause like that. In the united states senate his maiden speech today ending in a thunderous round of applause from the center senators who gathered to hear him. Give his first remarks as a us. Senator i mean. If that's what debate and deliberation regularly sounded like in the united states. Senate boy would be different country than we are and a lot. More people would run for public office than already. Do settle warnock is going to join us. Live here in just a couple minutes. But that idea that he is talking about the fight for voting rights is yes the latest battle in a long war for democracy one that stretches back to the civil rights movement and we'll before that but also one that is now being fought in this new crucible of the violent right wing attack on the capital ten weeks ago today which at its core was an objection a rejection of democracy refusal to accept the results of an election in which the voters chose to oust to the last president and install a new one. That is the new crucible in which we are having these voting rights fights right now. The director of national intelligence today put out an unclassified report on the threat of domestic violent extremism. Here's the top. Finding it says quote the intelligence community assesses that domestic violent extremists pose an elevated threat in twenty twenty one enduring extremist motivations pertaining to biases against minority populations and perceived government overreach was almost certainly continue to drive domestic violent extremist radicalization and mobilization to violence and says this newer socio political developments such as narratives of fraud in the recent general election. The emboldening impact of the violent breach of the us capital conditions related to the covid nineteen pandemic and conspiracy theories promoting violence will almost certainly spur some domestic violent extremists to try to engage in violence in the united states. This year violent each of the us capital the narratives of fraud in the recent general election. Which was the extensible justification for the capital attack. I mean this is the intelligence community reporting that those things will quote almost certainly drive domestic violent extremists to commit more violent acts in our country. This year almost certainly from the intelligence community former president trump is nevertheless still thumping away at this theme. Fox brought him on the air last night to continue to say that he actually won the two thousand twenty election that there were millions of votes. That were frauds. He said our supreme court didn't have the courage to overturn elections. That should have been overturned. He is still preaching this stuff. Still stoking it. It already led to the capital attack. The director of national intelligence says today it will almost certainly lead to more violence. He's still pushing it. Fox's still pushing it on their inviting him on the air to wchs eloquent about it and republicans in the states really are just running with the whole idea that there was some sort of indefinable unprovable but definitely bad fraud in the last election. They can't prove it them able to prosecute anyone for it. There's no public evidence of it whatsoever. But they just feel so concerned about it that they are rolling back voting rights more aggressively than they have in more than a generation. I mean no matter that every time their theories and feelings and vague allegations on this stuff anytime. Those things get tested. It's just a disaster for them here. Here's the latest one. Which i find actually quite amazing. This is out of arizona this week after the election. The republican party in arizona filed a lawsuit saying that elections officials and arizona's largest county hadn't counted the votes properly that if they would just recount the votes in a different way they would find all the fraud that allow joe biden to falsely appear to win the election in arizona when really donald trump must have one and no matter how many audits the county did to prove that their vote totals were correct. Joe biden won that county and won the state the arizona. Republican party just kept pushing on with this lawsuit. Well here's how that lawsuit finally came to an end. This week from the judge's ruling in arizona this week quote the plaintiff's lawsuit was groundless. There was no evidence at all of phantom voters or manipulated vote totals or any other wrongdoing. These were flimsy excuses for a lawsuit. The plaintiff arizona republican party. The judge said is gas lighting. It evinces a lack of good faith. The first amendment does not give litigant the right to file and maintain a groundless lawsuit. Arizona law gives political parties have privileged position in the electoral process which are self-government depends. The public has a right to expect the arizona republican party to conduct itself respectfully when it participates in that process. It has failed to do so in this case and so for filing a groundless lawsuit in bad faith the judge ordered the arizona republican party to pay the state thousands of dollars in attorney's fees to pay the attorneys fees for the other side to compensate them for having to defend themselves against the republican. Party's junk lawsuit. Judge concludes the ruling quote. This is a final order. No matters remain pending in this case and thus has been the fate basically every single lawsuit that republicans have filed challenging the results of the two thousand twenty election. Asserting feelings without evidence about there must have been some fraud right. Not all of these court cases have gotten a scorching judge's ruling and and force the republicans to pay the defendant's legal fees. But that is how it goes. Sometimes having failed with dozens of efforts like that to try to throw out a reverse the results of the last election republicans in arizona are now turning to the next best thing. They're taking up all sorts of bills trying to stop people from voting and the next one tried to make it as hard as possible for people to vote in the next election. Arizona is of course in good company on this score. The biggest story in american politics right now in arizona in iowa georgia texas and every state basically where republicans are in charge. Republican lawmakers are drafting literally hundreds of bills to restrict voting rights. Voter suppression bills. That taken together a senator warnock said would represent the biggest rollback of voting rights. Since jim crow you'll recall the last week on the show. We spoke with latasha brown from the black voters matter. We talked to her about her organization than other groups taking a big ad in the atlanta journal constitution and some other papers calling on the business community in the state of georgia to take a stand with voting rights advocates against the new voter suppression legislation. That's being passed by republicans in the state legislature there. The ad urged georgia voters to the ceos of a bunch of big georgia-based companies to let them know that we expect them to stand up and support georgia voters as we support them. Since then there have been protests and pickets to try to bolster these demands to try to get the business community to side with voting rights and to use their power and their muscle in the state legislatures to turn back these republican bills to make voting harder and the georgia chamber of commerce has put out a couple of statements in recent days i a sort of generic statements supporting free and fair elections in a general sense. Then the chamber told cnbc that the chamber does oppose certain provisions of the anti-voting bills that are being passed by the republicans in the georgia legislature of the chamber wouldn't say specifically what they opposed big companies based in georgia like coca cola and home depot then told the washington post that they were aligned with the chamber of commerce on this issue then they went waffly though home depot later called the washington post back to clarify that. What they said doesn't mean that the company is actually opposed to the new voting rights rollbacks that the republicans are currently moving through the state voting rights. Advocates are not having this the new georgia project. Which is a group founded by stacey. Abrams saying now. That these quote platitudes from georgia based companies should make every georgia voter furious. They don't want platitudes. They want legitimate and muscular support to turn back these bills that are otherwise going to pass and dramatically rollback voting rights in georgia and other states. This this is a live issue right now. The georgia big business community is clearly feeling the pressure over whether or not they're going to take a stance on voter suppression bills voting rights advocates. Absolutely keeping the pressure on republicans in the georgia state legislature. Nevertheless steamrolling ahead with this stuff. And we're seeing versions of that happen in every state where people are starting to fight back about what. Republicans are doing voting rights in every republican controlled state in the country but there is something that could be done nationally to bolster voting rights in georgia to stop voting rights rollbacks in georgia and in arizona and in iowa and in texas and everywhere republicans are trying to rip up voting rights. It's the bill that passed the house as hr one the for the people act. the same. Bill introduced formerly in the united states. Senate today as s one. Senate bill one. The brennan center studies voting rights legislation. Like this at nyu They've just put out a new report on what. hr one and s one would do. Check this out quote. As a february nineteenth more than two hundred fifty. Three bills restricting voting access has been carried over pre filed or introduced in forty three states and the number is rising quote. The brennan center has analyzed each of the restrictive voting bills pending in the states and concludes that the for the people act. Hr one s one would thwart virtually every single one of those bills in the states. This bill would put a national floor on voting rights that republicans in the states could not bring their states below voting rights advanced and guaranteed full. Stop nationwide are one passed the house already. Now it's s one and it's in the senate bill formally introduced in the senate. The code lead sponsor of the bill is senator raphael warnock of georgia fifty democrats in the senate forty nine of the fifty democrats in the senate are actually signed on as co sponsors of this bill. The only one who isn't is virginia democratic senator joe manchin even if he nevertheless would vote for it which would assure fifty votes for the bill. Republicans of course. We'll use the filibuster rule to block the from passing and senator manchin has been sort of confused and confusing on that issue is saying sometimes that he's open to reforming the filibuster in some ways other times that he's not at all open to that president biden used to oppose changing the filibuster rule in the senate but he said an interview. Abc news last night. That now he thinks actually it should be changed. Senator chuck schumer the democrat in the senate today said as he said here on this. Show monday night that this bill protect voting rights must pass whatever happens with the filibuster however they need to reform it or change it or move around it in this bill. He said for this bill. For voting rights quote. Failure is not an option that has been his mantra on this bill. Senator warnock today in this maiden speech for the ages said essentially the same thing but in language that in his way send it a little bit more like prayer said surely there ought to be at least sixty people this chamber. Who believe as i do that. The four most powerful words uttered in a democracy are the people have spoken therefore we must ensure that all of the people can speak but if not if there aren't though sixty votes we must still pass voting rights. the right to vote is preservative of all other rights. It is not just another issue alongside other issues. It is foundational. It is the reason why any of us has the privilege of standing here in the first place it is about the covenant we have with one another as an american people hit above all else must be protected. Yes but what's the bath senator. Rafael warnock joins us next a at the time of my birth georgia's two senators were richard b russell and herman e talmadge both arch segregationists and unabashed adversaries of the civil rights movement. Senator challenges is father eugene. Talmadge former governor of our state had famously declared the south loves the negro in his place but his place at the back door when once asked how he and his supporters might keep black people away from the polls he picked up a scrap of paper and wrote a single word on it. Pistols led by preacher and a patriot named king. Americans have all racist stood up. History vindicated the movement that sought to bring us closer to our ideals to lengthen and strengthen the cords of our democracy and i now hold the seat the senate where herman e talmadge set georgia senator rafael were knocked today in his maiden speech on the senate floor. The senator made a forceful argument for. Why the senate should pass the four. The people act senate bill one to try to beat back. An avalanche of republican led voter suppression bills in his home state and georgia and in forty two other states that are pursuing these voter restrictions. Now the question of course is how they can do it joining us now. Is senator rafael from the great state of georgia Seven thank you so much for being here tonight. It's not at this time with you. It's great to be here with you. Rachel you i believe. Have an unfair advantage. In your job as a senator at least when it comes to maiden speeches because you are accustomed to holding the attention The rapt attention of your congregants at the baptist church. I do have to ask you if you were surprised. By the thunderous applause today at the end of that speech which some people are saying is the best maiden speech they've ever seen in the united states senate well. I'm deeply honored by the response of my colleagues. And you know it's always a dangerous thing to put a pastor behind turn and for those of us who have been Worshipping at holding our services now for a year and a virtual space. You know. I had actually had something of a congregation. But when i what i'm really looking forward to is the legislative response of those who are in the chamber today and and our republican colleagues as well. We have to pass voting rights. It is urgent and it is the very foundation upon which we can seek to do all of the other important things that need to be done. Tell me how you see that happening in practical terms. Obviously you reckon without a little bit today in your speech talking about the senate filibuster rule and how this senate procedure can't be used on the we can't we can't restrict senate we can't restrict Minority rules minority rights in society with a rule designed to protect minority rights in the senate. How do how do you see it practically on. How do you imagine a victory here listed rachel. I know that there's a big debate. Obviously going on about the filibuster and we will have to confront that issue head on but my argument today Was this voting. Rates is bigger than the filibuster issue. And whether we get rid of the filibuster or not we have to pass voting rights. We have to give the people their own voice in their own democracy and So we we will see what path that takes and it's interesting. You know folks ask you know people like me will all should you get rid of the filibuster or not. It seems to me that the owners really is on in the chamber who have not yet decided to support voting rights because they could vote it up. They could vote for it. And that's the case. That i was trying to make because i think really that what's at stake is the viability and the health and the credibility of our democracy that sacred idea of one person. One vote that was under assault in georgia and some forty three other states and as we stood up as americans in the nineteen sixties and pass federal legislation To say that we're one country and that this is the foundation upon which this country is built we are. We are a democratic republic. We have to do that right now. And there is a path to do it and and to do otherwise would be a terrible dereliction of duty if we don't protect our democracy and the united states senate for what is the body of the senate for. I don't know very much right now. About what the working life of a us. Senator is like i think it changes with every senate a little bit. I think it has changed a lot with with covid And i think things have changed a little bit after the trauma of what happened on january six. But are you in a position where you can talk one on one with your colleagues who may not be in the same place as you on this issue where you can talk with senator manchin for example who the only democrat who's not signed on as a cosponsor to the for the people occur. Are you in a position to talk to any of your fellow fellow southern senators who are republicans who may be willing to have a conversation with you as a fellow southerner about this sure we're having conversations all the time Let me be really clear. This is a moral moment. This is a defining moment in america and this is a fight for the soul of our democracy and all of us have a dog in that fight If if we find ourselves in a situation where politicians don't even have to have the majority to do whatever it is. They wanna do then. The future of all of our children is imperilled And so we have to stand up in this moment. I believe that history will judge us based on what we do The reason i'm able to sit here right now In addition to the fights of the martyrs that i listed today john lewis who stood up and risked his life mega evers who lost his life and so many others over the last ten years in georgia. We've been fighting for voting rights and with with the kind of laser like focus My own church has been a plane of suing the state of georgia for its voter suppression tactics. And then the people georgia rolls up at a historic way in november and january and they sent the first african american senator first jewish senator to the united states senate and a couple of weeks ago we pass covert relief for americans Checks in people's pockets shots in their arm while we're able to do it because the will of the people could be successfully Made manifest in the outcome of the vote but what happens if increasingly. There's a disconnect between who and what the people want and what happens in washington. That's what's been going on The the american people are being crowded out an squeezed out of their own democracy. And i'm going to do everything in my power. Is the united states senate to get people that voice back senator rafael warnick of the great state of georgia sir. Thank you for making time to be here tonight. I know this is a big day at the start of your senate career and it's an honor to have you here. Thank you thank you all right. We've got much more ahead tonight. Stay with us. Yesterday the great state of wyoming became the sixth state to drop its mask mandate as mitigation factor against covid nineteen. Add the six. That have just dropped their mask rules to the eleven other states that never required masks to begin with and that means that we're now up to seventeen states in this country where there's no rule saying you have to wear a mask. Despite all the clear scientific evidence that masks and mask mandates do keep cova transmission down but there may be something coming. That's going to spend all of that. And i'm sorta surprised. This isn't getting more national attention. But you should know this is about to happen. At least i think this is about to happen. I'm president biden's first full day in office. He issued an executive order to osha. The occupational safety and health administration which oversees workplace safety that biden day one executive order told osha to look at whether we need new rules to keep people safe from covid. While they're works specifically president biden asked osha to study whether there should be a new rule that requires all americans to wear masks while in the workplace. Any rule on that would be a rule that would apply everywhere to workplaces in every state regardless of any state rules or lack thereof that might say otherwise osha. Rules are enforceable me to be clear here if osha says there's a need for new safety rule about covid which requires masks in the workplace. Osha has the power to enforce that rule at workplaces nationwide even in places like wyoming texas. Well that executive order to study this issue and come up with a response. How explicit deadline biden gave osha until march fifteenth to make a decision march fifteenth. Was monday of this week. So where is it. A new report from bloomberg law says that osha has decided to issue a temporary. Emergency rule requiring masks and they have told the us chamber of commerce that that new rule is coming. We reached out to the department of labor. Which is a part of their comment. They told us something but not much. They told us. Osha has been working diligently as appropriate to consider what standards may be necessary and is taking the time to get this right. Which is something. I'm going to start saying when. I miss a deadline. I'm taking the time to get it right but that deadline has passed and it doesn't necessarily mean that nothing's going to happen but at the same time. The clock is ticking. Here states are one by one removing their mask. Mandates people are having to work in unmasked unprotected environments. That's all happening now. In the present tense and a big fight between the federal government saying actually masks required in all workplaces and red state governor saying. Oh no they're not. That is potentially an epic and dramatic political fight but a move that may also save a ton of american lives if the federal government actually decides to join that fight so we were supposed to know if that was going to happen by monday. Where are they watch this. Space the federal agency. That's charged with keeping americans safe in the workplace osha the occupational safety and health administration. They missed a deadline this week. That could be a really big deal that a deadline of monday given to them. An executive order from president biden telling them that they needed to decide whether or not there should be a new rule a new workplace safety role in this country requiring people to wear masks to protect themselves from covid while they're at work if osha does issue a rule like that that would be be. Fd as someone said it could put the federal government in conflict with seventeen states across the country that have dropped their mask mandate statewide. It could also save a lot of lives. But that's all if osha actually decides to step in here and do this joining us now. Is debbie berkowitz. She's a former senior policy adviser for osha under president obama. She's director of the worker health and safety program at the national employment law project. And she's been sort of our osho whisperer over the last year or so of the covid. Pandemic aetna's berkowitz. Thank you for being here tonight. Thanks for taking the time. And cuban having me first of all misconstrued. Any of this. Am i looking at any of this. The wrong way around and am i right to be a little weirded out that this deadline has come and gone and we haven't heard anything but also i just have to say having been a senior official. It's relatively small agency. This was a herculean task to get out of this rule in like eight weeks. So if it's a couple of weeks lady you wanna make sure they get it right right because this is not only the single largest public health crisis in our nation co bid but it's the single largest occupational health crisis we know that workplace exposures of been a significant driver of this pandemic and in order to mitigate the spread of koga added to the communities. We need to mitigate the spread at work in that way. Our economy will reopen so. They need to get it right so hopefully we will see that rule if it's a couple of weeks later that's okay any longer. And then be the to worry a little bit different than the cdc recommending mask use to all americans and cdc officials and people. Dr fauci saying that this is. What the government's best scientific advice is mean osha enforce these things right and they did actually just get a pot of new money in the covid relief. Bill to to sort of bolster their ability to T to enforce something like this would this would be a big change in terms of workplaces actually being required to follow this rule if they do it right right and you've covered this really well. Rachel and i am very deep gratitude to you cover workplace safety issues but there's been no requirements in most states. I mean virginia passed requirements california oregon washington but most states have no requirements to protect workers on covid and there are no current standards. That require anything. And you know they're many mask rules in the workplace right now. There are a lot of chemicals. There are a lot of dust that workers have to wear bass whether it be construction or manufacturing or agriculture. So this isn't new but there's been no requirements. It'd be the first time and you know that there would be you know actual requirements otherwise. There's just guidance then. Employers could have ignored and i want to also make it clear that there's no ocean police out there. It would take a hundred and sixty five years to get into every workplace just once so this rule would really new is just give workers a sense of what they need to protect themselves and employers that roadmap w berkowitz the director of the national employment law projects worker health and safety program a senior policy adviser rocha under president obama. Thank you thank you very much for helping us understand this tonight when we finally hear from osha on this. I'm going to come back to you to help us understand what it means. Thank you so much all right. We'll be right back. Stay wits heads up about the news tomorrow morning. Congressional hearing tomorrow on threats and violence against asian americans. This is a hearing that was scheduled well before a white man in georgia allegedly on a killing spree. That killed eight people last night. Six of them women of asian descent. So that the hearings timeliness on violence against the asian american community is coincidental. But this should be a big deal tomorrow given what just happened. That'll happen tomorrow at ten eastern than at noon tomorrow finally vote to confirm a new health secretary. President biden picked javier sarah to be the nation's new health secretary back during the transition. You might think because of the pandemic this would be considered a rush order but republicans have been holding up his nomination. All of this time. Sarah's confirmation will finally happen at noon tomorrow and fifty seven of the biden administration so lots to watch for early in the day tomorrow. We'll see you again here tomorrow night. The meadow show weeknights at nine eastern on msnbc.

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Arizona Lawmaker Says, No Vote For You

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Arizona Lawmaker Says, No Vote For You

"I'd like to warn you about the explicit nature of the show. But i'll just tint that you know what you're in for making this an implicit explicit warning. Think it's friday january twenty ninth twenty. Twenty one from slated the gist. I might ask. Let's say you lived in arizona and we're a generally conservative person to the right of center moderately or a bit more than a little to the right of center right. You probably voted for john mccain a few times in your life you probably very much want the government to keep their hands away from say your opinion the things you think you would never want the government to tell you what to think who to vote for you when you want them to ignore who you did. Vote for and you probably wouldn't wanna waste public money on frivolous court cases well arizona house bill. Twenty seven twenty introduced by representative. Shawna bollock has something for you. Something horrible for you. In fact all of it is exactly the opposite of why republican in the first place. the newly elected far-right. Bollock is proposing this. According to the arizona republic that leaders be allowed to override the state certification of election results and point presidential electors of their own choosing. Bollock who's married to state supreme court justice. Clint bollock also proposes a variety of other bad ideas in her bill. According to the newspaper chief among them is a provision that judges no longer be allowed to dismiss frivolous election lawsuits instead. They would have to hold jury trials despite the lack of actual evidence a full-blown jury trial. Wow you can't see any of these ideas that the state legislature just gets to vote for whoever they want you for president. You can't see that getting screwed up. Can you representative bollock. What does that english phrase. Oh yeah bollocks stop. Talking about an over. Correction one. Election goes wrong. Lynch tweak the rules to exactly fit the last election without any foresight that oh my god this could blow up in our faces in a state where the last two elections for senate went to the democrats arizona's not trending red there's only a slim majority for republicans in the state legislature. This is a stupid undemocratic unwise and just poorly thought out bill the old republicans you know the non crazy ones. They weren't nice or kind or committed to allowing democrats the full franchise but they were at least smart. They would say you know you. Shouldn't you have an idea vote. I mean you can't write a check in the supermarket without an. Id how can you not have one to vote and most people most independence people. Don't pay that much attention to politics. Say yeah i guess there's a certain logic to that and it took a little time. It took a little time for democrats or other people who are interested in democracy to explain. Well that has the practical effect actually of disenfranchising a lot of people. This new bill. Just says hey. Let's disenfranchise a lot of people when i mentioned mccain opt-out what's the mccain part will the arizona republican party voted to formally censure cindy mccain sure they also voted center their own republican governor. Doug ducey but it was the mccain part that really offended me not that i care about the mccain political dynasty or really have a lot of sympathy or amd deluded into thinking that you know. They're not very political people with their own agendas but really what cinch mccain did why she broke with donald trump was really deep down because she was a wife who is standing up for her husband. She wasn't playing the angles right. She wasn't trying to raise money off of this. She was saying my god what he said to. My husband and the memory of my husband was so horrible. I can't stand by this man. It was as human instinct as there is an audible one. And what is the arizona. Republican party do well with that with this bill. They stake their claim. To being trump is through in through this arizona's a bellwether state. I hope not and regular non stupid. Non trumpy republicans. You'd better not to on the show today in the spiel. i say. Bring back the crackpot. There is context around that. But i it's why you hear me and maybe some extent y you listen. It's nuances are really underappreciated. Under studied even it is of course the voice the range of what a voice conveys and the means of how a voice conveys it are fascinating topics but there hasn't really been a big examination of popular examination of the voice until now the name of the book is this is the voice and it gets into the science study in the sonorous power of the voice its author. John pinto is up next. They say that radio is the most intimate of mediums. And that's because that kind of radio. Linda wertheimer joining you from the wilds of the calabasas cavern is intimate. But then what about rush limbaugh. Who will tell you friends what you're seeing now. You're that that's a little. Wc fields may be mixed with rush. But there's a bombast in it and then when you think about the sounds and the word certain sounds just connote calm like the silence of sunday and how easy you're feeling inside your an easy goer on the inside or sunday silence on the outside unless audio sunday. Silence peasy apart slightly sunday the sunday common among all those observations the voice. Can you tell that. I'm obsessed with the voice. And perhaps you're obsessed or at least you're at least placating of my vocal qualities. Excess is maybe even. I hope you think curly of interest. There's a new book called. This is the voice by john. Colapinto which is just an excellent linguistic structure of vocal cords philosophical examination of one of the most important parts of human interaction. That often goes unexamined john. Welcome to the gist. Thank you so much. People during this interview will hear your voice and notice. Oh it's a little raspy in fact that's where the book starts. How'd you get your rasp. Twenty years ago. I was invited by my then boss winner. Who's the owner and editor of rolling stone magazine to join a rock band that he was putting together for the magazine. Staff and We were gonna play this christmas gig two thousand people. We had to do a lot of rehearsals. I've been singing most of my life just kind of casually amine in college. I say in coffee houses and stuff in school choirs But i'd never learned how to do a proper voice. Warm up just didn't know what that was all about her. why bother. I learned pretty quick. Because i was shouting over I guess you'd call it singing over. Yawn and companies cranked up guitars. And i blew out my voice. Majorly i mean. I'd had laryngitis in the past. I'd had hoarseness. This proved to be something quite quite different. If i were talking to you and we were listening to your voice. How would it sound if you had never gone through with that Benefit gig with fronting the band. Yeah it's funny. I mean. I had kind of a smooth baritone voice that was pretty elastic fairly melodic. Like fairly Up and down in its in. Its pitch range. I mean because i was kind of an expressive perhaps extroverted talker. I still am that. But my voice is more monitoring back now because of the injury so really. This was like a you were involved. You got hit by a truck or you fell down an elevator shaft and you forever have a limp. there is a forever physical manifestation of one. eugene incident. Gone wrong totally. I mean i am in effect disabled. Would you don't think of yeah exactly and you don't think of it with a voice injury people don't think about it they figure. Hey listen i'm getting. The words out. People are understanding the good enough. I can make the sales pitch. Whatever it is that you do for a living off a doctor you know you can do the diagnosis. But the problem is in. This voice specialists that i ended up writing about new yorker guy named stevens i tells who operated on a dell and removed her vocal mass. They're called polyps she had the same thing as me. He explained to me man. You you know singing okay. You can't sing anymore but your real problem is you're not talking properly and you are not putting you across properly because you're laying back in situations where there's a lot of noise you're speaking in a more monitoring pitch range where there's less enthusiasm less emotion in your voice. I'm he blew my mind by saying to me. You are no longer you know. We know that voices are like an oral a u. r. a. l. fingerprint. We know they're a sonic signature. That's unique to us but we don't really realize the import of that until we go ahead and damage our voice and change what it is. We're projecting into the world so that blew my mind and that gami about the book. Eventually one of the more fascinating experiments. You cited was a researcher who just taped the vocalisations. The words said by doctors as they talk to patients and this researcher was able to predict one hundred percent accuracy which doctors would be sued. And which one. It's absolutely amazing. Absolutely and it's very interesting how she filtered out the words so these doctors were not being sued because they were saying insensitive things or being in curious what she removed. You can actually keep just the melody of the voice by removing the higher part of our vocal range. We don't realize that believe speak in a musical chord pitcher someone on the piano hitting all ten fingers are hitting harmonizing notes. Well those notes in the bass are the ones that would penetrate through a wall at say and we can hear neighbors having an argument. We can't hear what they're saying we just know they're having a fight or we might know that they're getting close to get in lovey-dovey whatever we can hear the emotion because the wall filters out the higher notes in that big cord. That is the voice so this woman. She took a forget what they have to name. The filter is but she filtered out those high things. You could just hear the emotional tone and the warmth or lack of it in these doctors voices and what she discovered was. Those doctors had voice. That were kind of overly assertive. Kind of dominant kind. A little mono- tonic. kinda deep. She discovered a those guys. Got sued like author. They got a lot of lawsuits against them. The guys who spoke in sort of a more melih fluids maybe slightly higher pitch or kind of nicer way of tarkhan. They didn't get sued at all. Even if they had like records of like maltreating patients and doing bad stupid operations and stuff and had nothing to do with their competences. Doctors had everything to do with literally their vocal tone and timbre which is another word people use for voice And yeah. I mean so what this tells us. Is that a tremendous amount of of what we're putting across. In the way of likability believability trustworthiness sexual attractiveness is not in the words. It's literally in this musical. Sound that we're making and in terms of sexual attractiveness as you get into. I was surprised to learn. Contra what jordan peterson. Oh hello canadian. Reference controversial jordan. Peterson might have us. Believe the deep throated. Baritone manly voice is not in fact the most attractive to women. Except maybe when they're out ovulating. There's this interesting phenomenon of women. Preferring male facial features that are a little more feminine and in fact male voices. That are a little more feminine. It's just that when men do battle with men even vocally even say when they're trying to one up each other in locker room talk they go bosso window. And it's this interesting tension where it's not you maximalize reproduction or sexual attractiveness that we think that a deep voice is preferable to woman two women. It's basically to do battle with men that's right. I mean women's reaction voices. This is interesting because they they like a voice lower than their own. Because we wouldn't really have evolved that way. We're an interesting species in that. Were the only animal think about it. That has a voice that is sexually diamorphine. Meaning we sound men that is sound different than women because our voices are about an octave lower. We have this amazing difference in pitch and we also have a difference in in timbre like in the sort of resonance of of the male voice. Because we've got a larger chest cavity larger neck on average even bigger heads. These are all residents chambers like a violin versus a big acoustic bass. So men's voices tend to boom more as well as being lower women developed An attraction to that But they don't want it to be too. Low is interesting. The way it evolved women kind of understood that men that had low voices had been quite sort of key juiced up with some testosterone. That's what makes the vocal chords grow big man at puberty but if the voices too low something in her mind is telling her he's over testosterone is d- he's gonna look for other females. He's gonna leave me when we have our baby. The all of these alerts are kind of wound into the dna around this whole notion of what that at voices sounding like to a woman's ears. You get into vocal fry and you get into many of the vocal qualities that have come up for debate lately. But i don't think. I saw on your book unless i skipped it. Did you ever see that. Thirty rock episode with sexy baby voice. Oh boy it's coming back to me. Yes i think i did. As a matter of fact right so the idea is tina fey. Who is an older you know. She plays liz lemon but in the show. She's the authority figure and she takes great issue with a younger woman who she thinks has put on this new trend voices. Which is the sexy baby. I had remembered it when i was writing the book so good because it does. It does highlight a couple of the things that you talk about. Yes oh very much. So i would also lumpkin there something else. I didn't mention which is this thing that people deride on the internet i think correctly in devos ins in female singers now young sort of millennial aged female singers who are singing in sort of a revised. Qb dolls sexy. babyish voice. You know exactly janice joplin you know. It's not it's not putting it up. It's kind of got this vulnerability thing which has its appeal but to too much of it. I guess you know anything that we too much drives you crazy. The liz lemon is just hilarious. Though to think of a woman because she's middle aged in that show for her to feel threatened and annoyed by someone that is gaining all sorts of professional and social power. Through speaking in this were babies way a lovely social observation very very real to the voice time and time again. It struck me that vocal quality one of the last things that even academic people thought to rigorously study so you have no chomsky. Who has you know. A great impact on the field is one of the fathers of the field. But when you really look at the amount of studying he did. He didn't teach us kind of went by. Oh yeah this is how. I assume that that language is learned that no one really enunciates different words. But it's not just that it's there are so many instances where there is a thinking about the voice and then someone gets interested in it and realizes no one is actually rigorously. Studied this in a way. I'm going to suggest that if it were site or if it were something to do with hearing not just speaking there would be a lot more rigorous study and i was wondering if this fits in with your theory of the voice being taken for granted and far more important than we even realize. Oh i mean so totally. It was one of the sort of terrifying things about embarking on the book. When i suddenly realized oh wait. I'm not gonna find a single authority. That's gotten his hands around this subject. There is a terrifying positi of research on the voice as voice so chomsky studied language. He's a linguist and his major theory. Was that languages inborn. It's already in our brains it it emerges through just the most casual contact with overheard speech from parents. That's very blurry but more than that and critically. He believed astonishingly. That language in our species started as thought silent thought so in other words he thought language was a purely almost purely mental phenomenon. Interest only in terms of what's going on up in the higher cortex of the brain. This left rother in the shadows. The means by the default means by which we move language from head to head. I'm beaming my thoughts in your brain by making the air vibrate in special ways if that isn't interesting if that isn't there critically important thing for our species to look at because it's after all what god's to the top of the food chain i mean i would argue it's our most important faculty language sequestered in the brain. That can't get out through a channel of communication. That is so effective. We can do this one. We're doing something with their hands. When we're walking in the dark we can whisper. We can yell earning this subject. I'm really getting passionate now. It's been complete i would. I would argue almost completely overlooked. I mean we. We're a fairly amazing species but mostly because we can get all these thoughts in our head vibrating in the air and get them into someone else's head. Anyone listening is going to say. Oh yeah right. I'm sure there's like lots of other books on it. If you find the lemme know you're looking them you realize that was in. I mean just to you know not to put too fine. A point on i was like i had signed a book. I was like okay now. Let's get down to figuring out who the experts are. And i was like what you know. There aren't any. I mean w an expert in singing an expert in accents an expert in this or that so my book is an attempt to synthesize you. Know a tremendous number of specialties. I think in the introduction you mentioned philosophical musings in the book which i was really pleased to hear you say because this grades all the way from the science and biology and how we speak the neuroscience of how he put ideas together and get them out but it then grades into the the sort of philosophy of who and what we are. I mean the voice really connects to all of that. The name of the book is this is the voice. The author of the book is pinto. Who is also the author of as nature made him in the novel about the author. Cursive lee enough. Thanks so much. John thank you. What a pleasure now feel. It's just this note so we find that a lot of people. Listen to the gist. On friday and may have missed a good segment from earlier in the week so on fridays. I'm going to recommend a segment to segment of the week. So recommend one this week and they don't have to. But i want to how about monday. Show larry king was mentioned at the top of the show. Larry king show very nice. We get crazy off. Hello many people enjoyed it. If you miss it. I recommend it to you. Come to washington. Hello larry wrong number and now the spiel i say. Bring back the crackpot. What your respond bring back the crackpot countries overrun by crackpots are crockery is conclusively crazed. I mean as an institution. Bring back the crackpot. Though crackpot as crackpot not what the crackpot has become which is one of the most potent political constituencies in america crackpots wing nuts gadflies ding bat. Screw balls wackadoo fruitcakes and the almost nurturing sounding bit of an odd duck a love them all or at least used to be able to accept them and know what to do with them. It was easy to have a lot of exposure to them because america's specialized in them. They weren't always benign. But mostly benign malignancy wasn't made manifest in the collection of them. If you got four gadflies together didn't get exponentially more dangerous than one loan gadfly. In fact they probably even wouldn't talk to each other. There was a time when that was true. I mean if there was a danger the danger was that one might become a lone wolf and actually pair his words with actions in a way that was usually surprising to most people. Don't want to be clear what i'm not talking about. I'm not talking about dismissing extremist. Hate speech or ignoring sentiments that fall within a violent tradition. I am talking about encountering preposterous ideas. That are clearly on more from reality and being able to say that guy's a crackpot and leave it at that and not having to spend time considering techniques to neutralize him electorally or two d platform him as the word goes in media. There was a time when art bell hosted an overnight show where listeners would call in with tales from area fifty one or other unexplained nominee the story about the digging of the whole the hearing of the sounds from hell is very real it did occur in siberia was entertainment. Shor bell was maybe he was in character. He probably believed a lot of it. I've read interviews with him. He said he did but he also knew that it was dick and his meal ticket. There wasn't really a problem with any of this. It was one step away from elvira mistress of the night it was fun or it was like claiming to believe in the boogeyman and campfire stories. That scare your friends sound recordings from other dimensions. Yeah but now this stuff the equivalent. Today is one step away from thoughts that have not just entertained or entranced but have begun to infect the minds of many people in america many voters in fact a significant portion of one of our two political parties. The modern art bell can be found on youtube or in podcasts tales of the weird tales of the unexplained conspiracy theories but also weaponized able notions that have to be examined in a way that are bell never was. So here's a podcast. Called down the rabbit hole not the new york times rabbit hole but an effort by nwcg radio seems to be a website based at its coma. Plays an eclectic mix of shows. One of them is down the rabbit hole. Here's the latest episode. Very art bell. Ask spooky ufo's sometimes. I would move behind trees and his only to repair moments later. Venture the couple of so curious. They decided to pull over. Investigate to a pair of binoculars berry realized the light was not a satellite and it was actually some sort of spinning in the air presumably a flying saucer bharti also concerned as a pragmatic intellectual man. He was skeptical of any extraterrestrial explanation but he had no alternative guests at a white the light to be it couldn't be a reflection or his imagination or a balloon which is obviously why they're telling this story fifty years later. Oh yeah you didn't realize that this is from the nineteen sixties and if you didn't realize that here's a clue. Betty started having dreams or what. They call nightmares Some people say dream some people same nightmares. One of the way i wanted to do and in these dreams. She sees aliens Onto an alien ship. She sees some different things with the on the ship. They describe the aliens as gray with big purple lips. Huge noses kind like jimmy durante. And then i started a levitating. Betty and i said i want to probe and guess what kind of probe in debt a kiss. I don't actually know jimmy durante. Used yet ish but let's go with. I do very timely impressions donut. But the point of this show the rabbit hole is. It's about you and db cooper but it's also about this craziness. Mostly we're going to dial into adrenal chrome and frazzle drip and the way prayer thing is a lot like pta where it was very quickly that completely debunked amaze and yeah. But there's no it's explanation. Yeah it's debunked but it's not a leaves leaves a lot of questions say it's debunked but it's like oh well wait. Pair says right cool. Yeah i'm sure you know a lot of a lot of the web washing now. We re this all the time with with our research. Their research is reading a on. Inspired story about adrina chrome. Which is i. don't wanna. I don't wanna play too many in-depth clips of them getting into it. It's an idea that if you kill people and drink their blood you'll get some sort of amazing high. And then there's this idea called frazzle drip or a story. I mentioned the word frazzled trip. Yesterday's theory that mauri taylor green at least agreed with on her facebook page. It is about hillary clinton killing children and wearing their skin. Yeah this is different from our bell. This is different from you. Know a sound recording from siberia. There is a cruelty and meanness to the frazzle drip. It doesn't exist with tales of ufo's and the unexplained in this version of conspiracy theory. Real people are named and denigrated. So maybe you can argue. That's the difference. And that's what puts it in a category of maybe something that should be looked at and worried about and regulated. It's a little different from bigfoot. But whealy puts it in the different categories that the purveyors of it knowingly want to organize masses of people around it they do and here's to the belief sometimes now get elected and no one stops them and they get committee assignments and no one worries that this is the stuff they believe in. We know to make fun of bigfoot believers but cunanan believers. That's something to be massaged through messaging by kevin mccarthy for the base while it's entirely unacceptable for congress. Congress we're talking about to welcome frazzled. Trippers i'm more thinking of everyone outside of congress. I mean that is the minimum. You should not give marjorie taylor green a committee assignment but i do wonder if our bell were on now. Should we think about petitioning stations to take him off the air. I mean that strikes me as a bad place to be. But maybe it's where we are. I don't think it is but there is a case to be made that this sort of content the embrace of the supernatural that which once seemed harmless today might just be entree into a very dangerous world. Mean take this incident from twelve years ago chris. Matthews hosting hardball mentioned a write in vote in the disputed. Minnesota senate election between norm coleman and al franken. Let's take a look at the next one guys. This has got franken clearly filled in. I mean he's clearly. And then they write in underwrite right in lizard people lizard people and by the way if we were wondering about the sincerity of the lizard. People voting block in minnesota. The public radio station. They actually found the guy who wrote in lizard. People guide him lucas davenport lizard. People refers to the conspiracy theory that there's a race of shape shifting lizards masquerading as humans. Who rule the world but davenport doesn't consider himself a believer but there are people who do in fact remember the christmas day. Bomber in nashville. New twist in the nashville christmas day explosion. Investigators are now exploring several conspiracy theories as potential motives including evidence. The bomber believed in lizard people and a so-called reptilian conspiracy. Now the headline on that. Nbc story was q. went on capitol rioters. The nashville bombers lizard. People theory is deadly serious sub had bonker shore harmless definitely. Not and that's where we are. There's no space for crackpots. We need to decide we need to. I suppose make a call a judgment call on every crazy theory is it benign or is it harmful and by the way if the lizard people is a non harmless theory than what else can we describe as harmless not much. The cost of getting it wrong are higher than i ever expected. You know what. Let's acknowledge this that this is an impossible task. This will overwhelm us. It will be impossible to guard against the potential for harm to sort the harmful from the millions of examples of that which truly is harmless a few years ago. We might find this all funny. And i say we were wrong. I can't say that the world showed us the errors of our way but the world's short showed a something man. I longed for crackpots as crackpots when we found out about a crackpot it lodged itself in the humor sensing centers of our brain and not the threat sensing centers. But we're a long way from that. In fact we might even be closer to a situation where expecting that one of our two political parties will militate against the incursion of q maybe trusting that the crazy one. And that's today show shayna roth. Just producer has a recording of a pit from hell inside syria. Hold on. I shall now play. Those harrowing sounds margaret. Kelly was working on a resolution that censures meghan mccain only to discover that it was secretly funded by big. Whoopie shouldn't be questioning her. Who she wants to be. Lucia montgomery executive producer of sleep. Podcasts has a deep rich baritone. That made her the voice of the chrysler cordova for many years. And what. I need from an automobile. I know i get from this new quarterback. Good here alicia. The gist love my durante to slate. Plus a feed of mike does impressions from eighty years. Ago you'll thrill my pinky lee improved separate do perot and thanks for listening.

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Convicting Trump Probably Won't Happen

CNN Political Briefing

07:47 min | 3 months ago

Convicting Trump Probably Won't Happen

"Hey everyone. David tally in the cnn. Political director this is the cnn political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for monday. January twenty fifth twenty twenty one as the senate prepares for an impeachment trial. The republican party is searching for a path forward. We'll discuss that. Plus biden's promised cova relief package is already facing some resistance among moderates and finally a barrier breaking moment between the nation's first black vice president and first black secretary of defense we expect the house of representatives to send over the articles of impeachment it passed against donald trump a couple of weeks ago over to the united states senate around seven o'clock pm eastern today. This formal process is what kicks off the senate impeachment trial the second one of now former president donald j trump the jurors meaning hundred united states senators will be sworn into their role tomorrow but due to an agreement between chuck schumer the majority leader now and republican minority leader mitch. Mcconnell the trial will not formally begin arguments until two weeks from now the paperwork will be issued to president trump. A summons will be issued to him. His defense team will start to be able to put together their briefs and deliver them to the united states senate as will the house impeachment managers but the actual trial will begin the week of february eight. The big question remains whether or not they're going to be seventeen. Republicans to join with all the democrats in voting to convict president trump even though he's already removed from office will two-thirds the that it seems unlikely right now why because of this internal strife inside republican party. It is not just a no brainer in today's republican party to simply say the evidence is pretty clear. Donald trump incited this insurrection. Did so by teeing it up for two months with the big lie that the election was fraudulent. And there is no more impeachable offense than that than sending a riotous mob to attack the citadel of democracy the united states capitol to overturn a free and fair american election. It just doesn't get more clear than that but it's not clear for republicans because it's not where their voters are. It's not where the basis and what is becoming very evident as more time goes on here. Is that there may just be a handful of republicans willing to convict the vast majority of republicans. Either wanna ignore this. Just move on or want to firmly stand in donald trump's corner as yet another demonstration a filthy want to hear from different wings that republican party. Here's both mitt. Romney and marco rubio yesterday. What is big alleged and what we saw which is incitement to insurrection. is Is an impeachable offense. If not what is i. Think the stupid. And i think it's counterproductive. We already have a flaming fire in this country. And it's taken a bunch of gasoline and pouring it on top of the fire but of course this reckoning inside the gop is happening in lots of places not just related to the impeachment trial. We've just learned today. That senator rob portman. Republican of ohio is announcing his retirement. He's not going to seek reelection in two thousand twenty two leaving open a senate seat in a critical state. Ohio part of the reason. Why portman says he's leaving. Is because of the gridlock in washington and he can't get anything truly done in terms of big policy goals. Four ohioans for americans. His open seat is going to play out in this. Intra republican party fight so now when you have a republican mainstream establishment like rob portman bailing not fighting to stay in the united states believing the political process. What does that signal to the republican party about how to move forward with the best equipped nominee to keep that seat in republican hands. Look at sarah. Huckabee sanders in arkansas. Running for governor video launches today with complete fealty to donald trump. She was his press secretary. She clearly thinks that is the best way to win her. Primary in arkansas and win the general election governor and in arizona over the weekend you saw the arizona republican party censure the likes of cindy mccain jeff flake the former republican senator even the incumbent governor republican. Doug ducey got a center from his own state party and arizona sending mccain calls it a badge of honor but again this is an example of how the party itself is split and not necessarily an even split over what to do in the post trump era. How do you remain loyal to trump's base of support. And all those voters while still trying to broaden the coalition since the party obviously lost the house senate and presidency in the trump years. This is the political story line for the gop going forward and twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two now. Here's what else matters today. Janet yellen biden's treasury secretary is expected to be confirmed by the united states. Senate later today. That will be the third cabinet secretary to get confirmed for biden and the first female treasury secretary in american history as you know. Yellen has urged congress to go big when it comes to the relief program that the by administration wants to enact that one point nine trillion dollar spending plan was briefed to moderate members. Democrats and republicans of the united states senate by high ranking biden officials. Over the weekend it did not appear that out of that meeting was some huge consensus among these moderates. That said yes. Let's move forward. One point nine trillion in fact several of the moderate republicans including mitt romney and susan collins seemed very skeptical of that big of a price tag and that broad of a relief program even angus king. The independent from maine. Who caucuses with the democrats had some skepticism about the price tag. These is going to be joe biden and his administration's challenge if you out of the gate don't have a receptive audience to folks in the middle of the moderate middle of the united states senate. How on earth are you going to get to sixty senators supporting that. And that is why many democrats believe vitamins eventually have to take his relief program and do it with democratic votes alone and finally today after a meeting where president biden reversed president trump's controversial ban on transgender service members of the military vice president harris performed ceremony swearing in for lloyd austin as defense secretary in the roosevelt room at the white house. Think about this. You have the first black vice president swearing in the first black defense secretary and when you look at the racial makeup of the service members of the united states military. These two political leaders are far more representative of what you see in the men and women who put their lives on the line to protect the united states and yet we've never seen it before. It's an astonishing image and it is one that will be recorded in the history books of this country. Yes it took until twenty twenty one but it is an image worth noting. that's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening and please take a moment and be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast. We'll talk to you tomorrow. At peter millar they believe the enduring style of luxury apparel begins. With impeccable craftsmanship and craft is the basis for everything they do across the peter millar line. They've updated celebrated styles like the travel friendly excursionists flex series and with apparel like the highlight vest and merge hybrid jacket they continue to innovate their outerwear collection. Get free shipping effortless returns and receive a complimentary gift with your purchase when you visit. Peter bowler dot com slash flash. That's peter millar dot com slash flash.

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The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Senator Martha McSally On Election Day

The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis

14:07 min | 6 months ago

The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Senator Martha McSally On Election Day

"Oh it continues. Do you feel the energy. It's your morning ritual with me. Garrett lewis can sti seven hundred tucson's most stimulating talk. I can't believe it's election day. Fastest slow year ever ever normally three things. I think you need to know brought to you by strongbow plumbing and solar. But we're in a time crunch today And we are now going to speak to senator martha mc sally. Big day today senator. How you feeling. We're feeling good. We just finished barnstorming. The state went to cities. I was with ted cruz. And then don jr. And oh i met your mom garrett cindy in sun city old boy. She told me stories. I can only imagine. I can only imagine this. You know they're insane. Can i tell you that. They're they're literally in say you know what's funny really quick. There's a whole whole history that has shaped me into who i am including them. But but there's a reason why i started my political leanings. And they disagreed with me. Made fun of me for years until about Twelve years ago. When obama got office and now they are like rabid hardcore writings that are like hosting parties in on the corners and any. I've never seen anything like this in my life. And and so yeah. Let's let's trademark those. Let's keep those under wraps. yeah okay. Cool great came out to our rally on the valley and it was just. It was great to visit with her. But hey look we got eleven hours to go before the polls close we gotta save our country. The the energy the enthusiasm out there. Garrett is unbelievable. I mean we are just when we went down to coach county. I mean i. It brought tears to my eyes. Met us had you know a convoy vehicle. American flags and trump flagged and then hundred seemed like everybody goes out there loving patriots. Like i really like choked me up. I just out there knowing that everything's on the line right now and knowing that is going to decide the direction of our country for the white house for the senate majority we already hearing about the lines at the polls. We've got to get out there with record numbers dad he you guys. It's all about turn out right now. Everybody's to get their friends and family their neighbors out there and make sure your vote counts ya. So i'm looking at these lines right. I'm getting people letting me know. In ohio valley in tucson all parts twos unveil. their lines are most places are wrapped around the building. And been that way since before. Six o'clock in the morning. So i'm looking at that and again i just liked use logic. I don't like to go by polls for everything. What my ice you know and you know with the democrat scaring the hell out of everybody. That cove is going to kill us. Everyone should mail in ballot. Everyone should get a mail in ballot. Does that make sense that you'd think most people in line would be people that are going to vote for you and president trump. Yup though there are people we've been talking to a lot of people say they're coming out on today Some people got an early ballot dropping off the bowl today but a lot of people. They want to vote in person today. Gotta make sure everybody gets out there and get their vote counted. Bring five ten people with you This is a battleground countries relying on the energy. Definitely our side But yeah those are definitely are people we just gotta make sure they all get out there. People call the arizona republican party or the local party. I got a bunch of phone calls last hour where people are talking about high tried to vote. They told me. I couldn't vote there even though we call the number and they said the records office. No they're supposed to vote there. I call her selling they. They they made made this call. This person do a provisional ballot. Who knows if it's going to be counted or not. There's all kinds of shenanigans. I got a bunch of calls. Last hour people seeing that it's almost like voter suppression is going on down here in pima county okay. Well that's concerning We definitely need to be alerted to that. We have observers at every place So i think you know. There's a mechanism in the party. Report if you see something wrong. I think all the poll workers have been trained to that So we've got to make sure there isn't any shenanigans going on like you said We've gotta make sure every vote is counted so Well i'm gonna follow whatever team follow up at the if there's any other place that should be calling into end pima county other than that. So we'll get back to you Posadas here you know. People are out there as voters out as poll observers. Who are seeing something. They need to report. I know there's a place to report it. I just don't have it at the top. Don't got you know. I think the number six zero two nine two six twenty eight seventy seven. I think they can go to. Gop dot com. And get information for that. as well. and i mean. I just i don't try. We've always had issues down here. Every two years elections is always issues and it always bothers me you and just look at the things that happened. I keep bringing this up. I brought it up with steve. Bannon brought her up with don jr. albert we're going to. We had nine hundred thirty eight cars. On sunday the tucson mall was security. they're counting it. That did a trump caravan. All these get this is. This is an energy in two thousand sixteen. I think energy is off the charts. And i don't want to. I want everyone to go out. And i think that everybody everybody wants to vote and be the one that will literally. Even if we're up by fifty million we want to stick it to antifa and the dams and the media and twitter and facebook. But and i don't want to. But i want to get a little excited to and think could we. Could it be possible that all these people are so mad. All these people that didn't vote in elections in the past. That are so fired up now. Could i mean could there be a big giant win that we could actually even get a winner tonight. Oh well yeah. I i agree look. You're actually right. There was energy twenty sixteen. But it's nothing like we've seen now and the stakes are higher than twenty sixteen. I mean you know. People voted for disruptor and donald trump. Join and sixteen now. It's so critical. Everything our country was founded on is on the line are fundamental freedoms like never before on the line and people are so concerned rightfully about the stakes of this election. They're getting off the sidelines. People who've never voted before having voted in ten years You know you see the trump rallies. They've got over twenty percent. Democrats are showing up to those. It's i mean he's bringing a coalition of people together who understand what's at stake so it's all about what everybody does today. The bottom line right. We've got now eleven more hours for everybody to get out there. Get everybody you know out there and yeah let's have a big red wave tonight and Senator martha mcsally giancana's team seventy you've been hostile and you've been all over the state been working hard while more kelly's been hiding more than joe biden has in a basement because he he can't it's amazing like he does even hide his radicalism. The fact that not only does he want to grab our guns and it's not even it's not even high. He won't even talk about that because it's so bad the fact that he still hasn't fired that one deputy press secretary fired who eight days before he hired him. The guy puts out that the shuttle police are worthless. Effing pigs and his reaction was i. I represent reprimanded them. I didn't even finally that means. I'm more kelly. Hates police doesn't shake our cueto's and literally hates the police. He's okay with this look. He's hiding from voters they you know. The media doesn't make him take positions on anything. He's not fighting. They're trying to bite us election but the positions that we know he has a radical and out of step with arizona. And you just mentioned a few of them i mean. He hired that guy a week later after he sent that tweet up. So that's the guy he says. I want him to be my spokesman and then when it goes public just recently. He keeps them on his team. You're no by the you keep. I've got the endorsement of theirs on a police association as president trump. I've got the endorsement of the border patrol council representative with art and you know brandon and eighteen thousand border patrol agents sodas president trump mark. Kelly wouldn't shake his hand are chant at the at the veteran's day parade in tucson and then he lied about it on a debate stage and called a law enforcement officer. A liar is radical organization that mark kelly has led over the last decade focused on taking away our second amendment rights as enabled rise of rashida to leave and ilhan omar and all those people on the left and they gave california and a grade for their gun control laws and in arizona and f grade. I think you should go running california. He thinks oh great But don't be fooled arizona. Like a vote for him is a vote for the radical left our second amendment rights. It's vilifying police defunding epa leaves. It's open borders. it's green bad deal. I mean just all the craziest of packing the court. He is chuck schumer's fifty i vote. Don't be fooled. The guys try to pretend you're not even a democrat everything we see from him to include his chinese connections is so out of step with arizona. We've gotta make sure we prevailed. Today such ties with the chinese. Doing business deals with them. You know having having a chinese flag and your fighter jet there were media. Be all over that. It'd be all over you know. It wouldn't be close so we need the economic numbers. Incredible thirty three point one percent growth in our gdp right and we gotta keep going as a senator. We need to keep you in the senate. We need to keep republicans in charge tax cuts. What do you wanna see done You win trump wins. We keep everything. What do you want to see done to help. Business continued to grow to get back to where we were well. We need to make the tax cuts permanent that we passed in two thousand seventeen. We've got to continue to deregulate. We still are just unpeeled. The regulatory state. And we've done a lot and the first four years but we've still got a lot to do to help out. Small businesses pro-growth pro policies keeping more money in the pockets of hard work and arizonans and americans not sending more government dopp and the government takeover of health care While bringing down costs through transparency and competition and choices for people and then giving tax credits to businesses to bring manufacturing home from china This pro growth pro job agenda with president trump is going to have us as the great american comeback after we prevail tonight if biden and schumer and below zero in charge they're going to have large tax increase in american history You know sixty five hundred dollars less per household five million job loss. And that's just the stuff they're talking about when you add up the numbers for their socialist agenda and there's not enough taxes in the country for them to be able to you know bring that into force it would bring us into a depression. That's not what we need right now. So the economy and our future and opportunity and the american dream on the ballot in china again. Because you're tough on china. The fact that you know there are so many spies chinese spies on college campuses and the chinese. They've been building centers on you of. Asu country colleges all around the country because the college will just take the money. Would you be behind just stopping all of that. They're our biggest enemy and it's like they're just buying everybody to just be able to spy on us and steal our technology. Yes they have used our free society basically to remove their propaganda and chinese communist agenda in order to replace us and steal our research steal our technology and steal our jobs and it's happening in plain sight. So yes i mean. These confused institutes and their infiltration of our research institutions and and our security You know a story. Pop yesterday about Military buying chinese drones. I have a legislation in this year. Defense bill that prohibits that from happening people need to wake up our institutions. Needs to wake up. This is what china has been. I know again on the march to do By taking advantage of our free and open society but this is their plan to basically steal our jobs and our research in order to dominate the world view. We've gotta stop it. This is so at stake today. Everybody we've gotta get president trump reelected. He is standing up and tough on china. I've got a hold the line here to keep the senate majority and i'm also personally leading the effort to hold china accountable to bring our jobs on and to stop their infiltration into our society. Like like what are you just mentioned are university is just one element of it. Our security structure aerospace and defense and space technology You know it's our even our transportation. Look we've got chinese companies that are competing for major You know transit projects across america which is ridiculous. I have legislation to stop that from happening. Why would you have a chinese company making subway system in chicago for crying out loud. Wake up america. That is crazy by the way. I just got another report. Got him steve. Spain sent me a message. He's running for county subaru county supervisor. Down here pima. County big conservative guy. He just he just at one report. This morning of a voter receiving the wrong ballot. People need to know not to vote about. That doesn't list all the races and that's again happening here county. This is insane. So yeah you gotta be able to get the right balance for you all the way down ticket all these local races matter to gotta get everybody across the finish line. Wow all right everybody. Be alert be vigilant and make sure we get every vote to count for all the way down the ballot and contact the arizona. Gop when you start seeing shenanigans. Senator sally good luck today. Thanks for working hard and hopefully we can celebrate tonight or early tomorrow morning with big win for you and the president all right. That's our plan. Everybody get out there and talk to everybody know. We got eleven hours to save the country. I know we're going to do it. and everybody. Continue to pray for our country. The president for the voters to open up their eyes to get off the sidelines to see the implications of their vote for our country and our freedoms and our way of life. You got it. Thank you senator appreciate it all right. Thank you tell your mind fear. Thank you appreciate that. Take care bye-bye funny how you live your life on the radio. What's super nutritious super. Delicious and a little nutty american pecans. The original supernet packed with all the good for you nutrition. You need and the flavor that keeps the family coming back for recipes and more visit. American pecan dot com.

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The Escalating Battle Over The Ballot Box

The Diane Rehm Show

39:40 min | 2 months ago

The Escalating Battle Over The Ballot Box

"Support for wmu comes from georgetown mcdonagh's executive mba ranked number one in dc and number five in the us by the financial times learn more at georgetown dot com slash e nba highest. Diane the escalating battle over the ballot box today. Supreme court heard one the important election cases in more than a decade. The issue how much our legal system can intervene to ensure equal access to voting is comes as republican lawmakers around the country us trump's false claim my bit rigged election to push laws that limit things like early voting and vote by mail experts. Worry these laws could impact turnout especially among minorities. My guest harry berman says senior reporter at mother jones and author of the book. Give the battle. The modern struggle for voting rights in america. We spoke tuesday afternoon shortly after are demented. At the supreme court ended our ee. The supreme court. This morning heard arguments on a case set really could have a major impact on voting in this country. Gives us a general idea of what it's about and why it's so important ohi diane and it's a pleasure to get to talk to you. The case concerns to restrictions on voting passed by arizona republican controlled legislature a ban on ballot collection. So what republicans. Call ballot voting Allowing someone who is not a close relative or family member a to collect your ballot and then a ban on out of precinct voting so if you show up in you vote at the wrong polling place. Your ballot will be thrown out in arizona. Even though your vote for statewide races would still theoretically be valid. Because it doesn't matter where you cast your ballot for those racist theoretically now these restrictions have been demonstrated to have a disparate impact on minority voters black latino native american voters were twice as likely to their ballots. Thrown out for showing up at the wrong precinct because they either live far from the polls or their polling places move lot or they're located and confusing places and also a latino native american voters in arizona are more likely to rely in ballot collection because they live in rural areas where the mail service is not as reliable so they need someone to drop their off of them but the significance of the case isn't really these two restrictions it's what will the supreme court do about the remaining provisions of the voting rights out because remember in two thousand thirteen. The supreme court severely weakened the voting rights act and it said that those states the long history of discrimination. They didn't have to approve. Their voting changes any longer at the federal government so that was section five of the voting rights act but there's another section of the voting rights act section two of the voting rights act that applies nationwide and allows you to challenge a discriminatory voting change or election system. So after getting rid of one part of the voting rights act the supreme court is now considering weakening the other key part of the voting rights act. And if they worked do that. That would mean that there'd be very little opportunity for voters of color to challenge discriminatory voting laws under the ira because it would be practically nullified. So the democratic party brought the case against the state of arizona and the arizona republican party. You were nair. I gather listening to the arguments. What did you take away. I was there virtually as everyone is now listening the supreme court because they're meeting virtually which is actually a lot more accessible for the public because previously you had to get a press pass or be very select member of the public to get into the supreme court now. Anyone can listen to these arguments. So i'm hoping that this is something they're just gonna do when there's no longer a pandemic i'm sure they won't because the supreme court doesn't prize accessibility. But i think it's great that any american. Listen to these arguments. They don't have to stand on line for five hours or be a member of the press corps to get. It's always a little bit hard to know what the justices will do. Just from oral arguments. Because they don't always show their true colors. But i think two things were clear to me number one. They were somewhat to quite skeptical of the republican. Party's argument that we should severely weakened the voting rights act to the point of basically getting rid of section two of the law however they were also very skeptical of the arizona democratic parties argument that we should reinstate ballot collection and reinstate out of precinct voting because as john roberts said there is credible threat of fraud. At least with regards to ballot collection. So it's possible. They could split the difference. They could uphold their restrictions on voting in arizona. Which democrats won't like but they will not go so far as the republicans want to basically neuter. The voting rights act. Now what. I think they will do. Not just in this case but more broadly is too severely. Weakened the voting rights act without actually saying that they're doing so meaning they will just uphold new restrictions on voting. They don't have to actually throw out the law to do it. They just have to interpreted in the most restrictive way possible so that they don't really have any problem with whether it's new voter. Id laws or cutbacks in early voting or purging of the voting rolls. Those the supreme court hasn't struck those things down in the past when it was a five to four court so i can't imagine they're going to really try to strike these things down. It's now six to three core. That's moved even further to the right so at the same time. We learn that over the egyptians. The democrat the georgia house. Republicans passed a sweeping elections bill. That would enact more restrictions on absentee voting and cut back on weekend early voting hours so this of voting rights is not only going on in these premium court. It's going on in states around the country. That's absolutely right. We're seeing the most concerted push to rollback voting rights in decades and it's a direct result of all the lies that donald trump told about the election. And i always knew this was going to be the fallout of what trump was saying. And i knew that the reason why so many republicans refused to criticize him was not just because they were scared of him or his followers because they knew that this would be useful to them at some point that they could then point to trump's lies and say even if we don't agree with them so many of our voters now believe them and they don't have confidence in the election system that we have to do something about it leave aside the fact that the only reason the voters lack confidence because their leaders lied to them over and over and over and if they had just told the truth donald trump has told the truth like other president. Who lost election had done. Then we wouldn't be in the position. We're in today but so quickly. After the election we've seen such a concerted push to restrict rights over two hundred and fifty restrictions on voting rights introduced in forty three states in a two month period. According to the brennan center for justice that's magnitudes greater than restrictions on voting that we've seen in the past and i've covered this for a decade now so i've seen these restrictions. This is not the first time we have seen these kind of efforts but it's an acceleration of the efforts and the interesting thing to me about what they're doing georgia for example is they're trying to make it harder to vote by mail which is what trump complaints about. But then they're also trying to make it hard vote in person by cutting back on early voting for example. So then you're saying well. This really can't be about election integrity because if we're worried about mail voting then wouldn't we wanna make in person voting more convenient but also making that more difficult to and so then you start to think about. Is the whole goal here just to make it so difficult that groups that were historically marginalized or disenfranchised or new to the political process. They just decided not turn out. And i think that's clearly what the republican party wants to accomplish in georgia and other states. What the electoral college aren't they are efforts to change how that operates. Yeah there's efforts to try to change how that operates to these are little bit more fringe at this point. But we'll see whether they are the mainstream but in arizona for example Republicans introduced a bill that would allow the state legislature to appoint its own electors anytime after the election for any reason which would basically just renter. The presidential election completely nolan and void. And that of course was the exact thing that donald trump wanted them to do after november and state legislatures controlled by republicans. Refuse to do this because it was illegal and so arizona. Republicans have now introduced another proposal saying that they want to pass this but then have the voters approve it as an initiative now why the voters would approve something that takes away the power of their vote. I have no idea why they would do that. But they're still talking about trying to push forward another thing that's been discussed states like wisconsin and again. This is still a fringe idea. I don't necessarily think it's going to pass but it's being talked about is trying to allocate the electoral college states based on congressional districts of course republicans drew all of these congressional districts because they control the redistricting process in places like wisconsin. That means that instead of joe biden winning the state of wisconsin. He might get five electoral votes instead of whatever. The number is eleven twelve thirteen and so that's another way to try to limit the ability of democrats to win the electoral college. Which by the way. The electoral college is know already. Severely favors republicans because donald trump lost the popular vote by seven million votes but came within forty five thousand votes in three states from winning the electoral college. Again at the gerrymandering. That's going on in light bulb. The sense is not going to get even worse. Yes that's the next shoe to drop. This has been delayed a little bit. Because the census itself has been delayed but because of the pandemic all sorts of efforts by the trump administration to screw around with it which then led the census bureau have to do all these analyses on anomalies in the data so the census is taking longer to complete meeting. Redistricting is gonna take place long. But i think there's a step by step process that they're taking here to try to entrench their own power i. They're changing the voting laws to try to make it harder for democrats to vote. Then they are going to gerrymander which will be even more effective at protecting their power because then they can literally choose their own voters. I mean with voting laws. You never quite democrats for example. Didn't use mail in voting all that much until two thousand twenty so theoretically they could just choose to use a different voting methods. But when you draw district that's the district it might change a little bit. Because of demographic changes but what we saw after twenty ten is republicans drew the districts in wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan all these states a decade later. They're in control of all of those states. Even though those states voted for joe biden even though those states elected democratic governors but somehow either the state legislature was so much more popular than all of those other republicans who ran or more likely. They drew the districts in such a way. That didn't matter who won the statewide vote. It just mattered. Who won those specific districts. What at effort in georgia the colts for over whole hang runoff elections. That's another thing that has come down. The pike and clearly what happened was democrats won the runoffs in january and so republicans in georgia have called for really changing the rules of the runoff. They want to shrink the runoffs from nine weeks to four weeks. That would leave only about five days of early voting because of how quickly the elections would take place They don't want to allow any new voters to register. Who for example moved to the state after november and are eligible to vote. So this really seems. There seems to be no reason to do this. other than wanting to prevent democrats from winning these runoff elections. Now i don't particularly like runoffs to begin with so i think you could get into an argument about whether or not you need them. Why not. why don't you i. I don't like them. Because i think the their first off. There's no real reason why you need them to begin with. I mean many other states allow someone to win without getting a pure majority of the vote. So number one. I don't think they're really necessary Number two what happens is usually the runoffs take place. After the election and many fewer people are paying attention and usually the the turnout is much lower in them now. That didn't happen in january. But but i mean. I could see a debate over whether or not to get rid of rod off. I see a good faith debate taking place over whether or not to get rid of them because most other states don't do it this way but to say we're going to keep them but then make it so much harder to vote and organiz in them. That doesn't make any sense because these already low turnout election. Then you're saying well you only have four weeks to mobilize a campaign and and get people back to the polls. That's not a lot of time at all. For campaigns that are trying to win an election. And you're saying that most Nc is coming about because republicans are going alone. Trump's belief that this was a rigged unfair untrue election i think most of them are opportunistically weaponising. What trump is saying. I don't think most republicans in the georgia legislature believe that donald trump that the election was stolen. I haven't taken a scientific poll. I don't know some of them clearly. Do agree with him. But i think a number of them don't agree with him but i think they are disturbed about the fact that democrats won the state in november and one the runoffs in january They are disturbed about the fact that black voters and voters of color are becoming a larger part of georgia's electric. It was really striking to me. When i watched the entire debate in the georgia house and almost all the democrats arguing against the bill were women and people of color and almost all the republicans arguing for the bill were white men and so. It's just a really stark divide in georgia when it comes to race. And you can't help but think about the debates that took place in states like georgia in the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties when people sought to rationalize literacy tests and poll taxes remember. There were arguments for those things to wasn't like they just said we want disenfranchise african americans. I mean they did say that but they also said we want to prevent illiterates from voting or we want to create an educated electorate or we want to crack crackdown on voter. There were many rationales for jim crow restrictions as well just like there's rationales for getting rid of sunday voting and things like that i mean but the fact is the georgia secretary of state republican said over and over. The election was secure He said over the system worked and so if the election was security system worked. Why would you change it. And every single press release from the secretary of state's office brags that georgia is a nationwide leader in elections. That it has early voting. It has no excuse. Absentee voting and it has in person voting and automatic voter registration and now republicans are trying to get rid of all those things. Except for in person voting. They're trying to get rid of automatic registration. They're trying to get rid of. No excuse absentee voting. They're trying to cut early voting. And so i mean the republican party essentially as going against what the republican official who runs elections in the state. Saying they should do. So depending on how the supreme court rules in arizona case i would you could see the georgia case going before the supreme court as well i think you could and honestly i'm not very confident in efforts to fight these cases before the courts because donald trump named two hundred and thirty four judges to the courts three to the supreme court and two hundred thirty one to the lower courts. And i think these judges are either going to just flat out agree with these restrictions on voting because many of them where people like state attorney generals or or state officials that in the past helped write these kind of laws or defend them. Or i think they will just say the states can do what they want when they run elections absent. Some sort of really major change now. I think it's going to be really fascinating. How georgia's defense getting rid of no excuse. Absentee voting when they are the ones that wrote that provision and used it for so many years and only had a problem with it. When democrats started using it. I think with with early voting for example. I can see them saying yeah. We got rid of sunday voting. That's inconvenient but we still have more than two weeks of early. Voting people can just vote on different days. I mean i could see. That argument agree with it. But i could see it. But you're talking about notice. Absentee voting getting rid of that. You can only vote by mail now if this law passes if you're over sixty five or if you're out of town or if you have another strip exception meaning that a lot of people just aren't going to be able to vote by mail at all and that's gonna be. That's going be a hard case. Because i don't know of a single state that expanded mail voting and then repealed it in such a way. I know states that haven't expanded mail voting for one reason or another but i don't know of a single state that expanded it and then rolled back more sation. Hurry berman when we come back. Hi i'm here. I hope you're enjoying on my mind. And i also hope you're checking out the cogil numb de show. We connect the dots between events happening in washington. Maryland and virginia through conversations with politicians artists chefs. The list goes on. You can listen to our podcast on demand by subscribing on your favorite podcast app. So you never miss an episode. Here is the rest in my conversation. With our senior reporter at mother jones and author of the book titled give up the ballot that modern struggle for voting rights and america are people interesting to you as i am. My begins saying to themselves. Well voting is gonna be rigged across the country. Why bother well the fact that they are trying to restrict voting so much to me is indicative of how valuable voting actually is. Because why would they be undertaken such an effort to restricted. If it didn't actually matter. And i think this will become a rallying cry for democrats and voters of color in the states where this passes and i think in georgia. The governor. brian kemp is very aware of this. He knows that if he signs some of these measures stacey abrams. Who's probably gonna run for. Governor again for two years is going to talk about how he doesn't want black voters and voters of color and moderate whites to be able to vote. So i'm not totally sure that the republican party knows how this is going to play out. I think a lot more people are paying attention to what they're doing. Now because of the things that donald trump said and because of the record turnout in two thousand twenty a lot of times voter suppression is most effective. When you don't know about it when you show up at the polls and you're no longer registered to vote Or your polling places. Mysteriously changed without any notice. Those are the kind of things that really leads to confusion changing laws two years before an election and giving a lot of people enough time to mobilize against it that to me is sort of an open question. What impact it will have now. I don't think it justifies it. I don't think that stacey abrams other people should have to spend two years fighting for a law that many people were using beforehand. But i'm also wondering if there's going to be some collateral damage here at one point. Three million people in georgia voted by mail in the last election and that included four hundred and fifty thousand. Or it's so that's an awful lot of republicans that you're now saying you can't vote by mail anymore now. Some of their voters are carved out for example. It allows people over sixty five to vote by mail. That is a much more republican demographic in georgia but still i mean there's a lot of republicans that are sixty four years old in georgia that might like to vote by mail. That voted by mail in the past had no problem using it until donald trump said it was a rigged method of voting and so i think there's some collateral damage here and also just sort of wonder about their basic argument that they need to restrict voting. Because you look at early voting for example. They're trying to cut back on early voting well january fifth. The runoff election was the first time. Democrats outnumbered republicans in early voting in georgia history meaning that republicans voted early more than democrats in every single previous election so like they love lost early voting in one election and they think they can never win it again. I mean it just shows you how little faith have in their ability to compete in elections that they lose one election they lose to elections as telling they're changing all the voting methods in the state that they wrote and defended and used in large numbers. It's not just georgia. Usa said earlier that there are nearly two hundred fifty laws around the country to try to change. Voting rules are most of those concentrated in the areas. Where joe biden won a lot of them. Are you look at arizona. Is another state where a lot of these restrictions are being passed. Where they're trying to make it harder for people to automatically receive a mail ballots a state where eighty percent of people vote by mail. So they're trying to make it harder to receive a male bow. They're they're trying to add more rules for mail voting as i said they're legislators are trying to override the will of the voters altogether they might try to cut back on in person voting as well like georgia. There's been proposals. They are to get rid of things like automatic registration Get rid of things. Like cut the number of polling places. So we don't know but i think the efforts are most intense in places where joe biden won narrowly. Because that's where they think that they can have the biggest impact but i think what's also really fascinating is a lot of these restrictions are passing in places that trump won like an iowa where trump won by eight points. They cut early voting. They changed the rules to mail voting. And i always say that had record turnout and republicans did really well. They won every race. Oh i mean that was a case. Study that actually higher turnout. Benefitted them so there is no need to change. The laws in iowa has a pretty white population. Yeah well that's another reason not really to change it because there's not really a whole lot of thread of voters turning out in large numbers when they're you know two to three percent of the electorate. I mean they're not swinging races except in a handful of cities where black voters make up a large population in iowa. And so it's a strange that are making the most extreme thing i've seen is in states like idaho and wyoming are passing laws for example to make it harder to collect ballots and like there is no chance that a democrat would get elected to any major office in these states and not only that but these are extremely rural states where republicans would routinely say. I'm gonna give my ballot to my niece or my friend. Drop off at the polls because i live twenty five miles on over a mountain from the nearest polling place and so the fact that the republicans are doing this not just in georgia arizona but an idaho and wyoming just to me shows how much this big lie has infected the republican party. And it's almost like voter. Suppression is now a new litmus test for republicans that you're not a loyal republican in unless you wanna make it harder to vote in the same way that you're not a lawyer republican unless you're really pro guns are really antiabortion like that's my biggest concern here. Is that the debate over. Ballot access is becoming so politicized that even if republicans don't want to support these kinds of things. They're they have no choice because all of the energy in their party is towards restricting voting. Right now emmy has hugh about collecting ballot. Is it now done in a more organized fashion to make sure that more people vote. Yeah i mean one thing about ballot collection as the parties for example We'll do it because that's an effective way to get people To be able to vote in larger numbers. I it's hasn't again hasn't really been a republican thing and been really a democratic thing. There has been every once in a while. There's a scandal. We saw what republicans in north carolina did with ballot collection in two thousand eighteen. Where they kind of were forging signatures but again. It was caught because there are safeguards in place. People always say well if you if you commit voter fraud. How would you know what i always say is. Whenever it's done in large enough numbers swinging election. They always find out about it. Because it's obvious that there are anomalies that somehow everyone has the same signature on lots of different ballots. And things like that and so so that frieden ever exists. But it certainly doesn't happen to the level of degree that it was alleged in the last election. And there are so many recounts so many audits and things like that that that proved that out in georgia they did. They took one county and they did a random statistical analysis of mail ballots and they looked at fifteen thousand ballots in cobb county georgia. They only found two mismatch signatures at a fifteen thousand dollars and that was a. I think a wife signed her husband's ballot and there was zero cases of fraud that resulted from it. I mean so. The system is pretty secure. I mean that's that's the most interesting thing here. Is that remember before he was fired. The kind of lead cybersecurity guy. Chris krebs for the government said. This was the most secure election american history and we had the highest turnout one hundred years. So you'd think that if anything we should have just kept system and done nothing or maybe expanded it to have greater turnout a but clearly. What we shouldn't have done is what we're doing right now. Which is cutting back on all of these these options people use and also this is going to make the system run in a much more confusing way because election officials in georgia are going to be completely scrambling for example in two thousand twenty two to implement all of these different changes. Because it's so confusing. What the laws are right now. So are you saying you're thinking that republicans have made a mistake trying to move in that direction. I don't know if they've made a political mistake. We'll see what the impact will be. But i i think they've clearly made a moral mistake and i think they've they might be making a political mistake and they're also just going to be making a mistake in terms of making elections less accessible For a lot of different type of voters and also they're a really increasing the risk. That actually could be kind of election. Meltdown that so many of us were worried. About in two thousand twenty. That didn't actually occur because when you start taking away. Multiple methods of voting. You start taking away voting by mail. But then you start cutting back on early voting. That's going to lead to more voter confusion. That's going to lead to longer lines. That's gonna lead to balance being thrown out or more people not showing up and so the net effect here is that it's very likely could see lower turnout and more voted problems as a result of these changes if they all pass and if they all stand up in court or otherwise so you die and a great many of the people in this country. No election was rigged sound. It was fair but let's say we did have issues with raw a would any changes. Maybe that not many of them. The the biggest change i would make and there has been some bipartisan agreement on that would be to allow counties to start processing mail ballots before the election so that we would not have the kind of situation where the results shift or take days To be released that to me is a problem. And i think it's a problem to perception. I think a lot of people lost faith in the system because they were fed these conspiracy theories but the reason they believe the conspiracy theories is because there was an opening where it was uncertain how the process was playing out. And so. I don't think it's healthy. For democracy for to take a week to count ballots in places like pennsylvania and it allowed a lot of conspiracy theories to flourish and i think if there was one change that could be made on a bipartisan basis. It would have been that change. Which is. Let's make sure that these ballots can be processed so we can get results in a timely manner so that no matter who wins the election they can trust. The process was fair to me. That would be the number one change. I would've made after the election And there's been some discussion about it. But certainly i would not have repealed. No excuse. absentee voting americans voted by mail and the highest numbers. Ever i would not have cut early voting when seventy to eighty percent of the public support it. I would not have made it easier to throw out balance when people were concerned thereabouts. We're going to be thrown out or ready In in two thousand twenty. I would not have gotten rid of mail. Ballot drop boxes when people are still concerned about the ability of the post office. Deliver mail on time. That's gotten worse. Not better since the election. So sony of these changes. I don't think i would not have made. I think election expert to look at what works. Empirical basis would not have recommended these changes either. What's happening at the federal level. You've got some act. Proposed for example the for the people act and the john lewis voting rights advancement act. What are they designed to do at now. How do they conflict with. What is going before the court. These are two really important pieces of federal legislation. Therefore the people outward set basically national standards for federal elections and they would say that congress has the power to set the rules for federal elections so that For congress for the presidency for whatever federal racists there are there would have to be automatic for registration. Every state election and registration. Every state are early voting in every state expanded vote by mail in every state these would be federal requirements and basically federal protections. Which is the idea behind. Is that your vote. Should be depending on the state where you live that. The right to vote should not be so dramatically different whether you live in texas or oregon To oregon being a state where everyone is automatically mailed a mail ballot and automatically registered to vote in texas being a state where it's very hard to register to vote very hard to vote by mail and so it sets federal rules and that would mean that states are doing things like cutting early voting rolling. Back mail voting. They could maybe do that for state races but they would not be able to do that for federal races and more than likely those federal laws would be adopted on a statewide basis as well. Of course it can be challenged in court so who knows what will actually happen. But that's the idea behind it. The john lewis voting rights act would restore the part of the voting rights act. The supreme court struck down namely the requirement that states the history of discrimination have to prove their voting changes with the federal government. The supreme court said in the twenty thirteen shelby county vs holder decision. Congress can write a more modern voting rights act. What the court really didn't like was that. The data of the voting rights act was based in the nineteen sixties. And as they said this has to be based on a more modern formula so this is what it does require states that have more recent history of discrimination who by larger the same states. That had a long history of discrimination. Because there's patterns here so it would still cover the georgia's and alabama's of the world They would once again have to approve their voting traders in the federal government. So that would stop for discrimination and the places where it occurs most historically and it's kind of a carrot and stick approach the h. One is the carrot. Basically says we think you should adopt good laws. And the john lewis voting rights act is the stick to say we're not going to lowyou to pass bad laws in states where you've done it for a very long time so this one completely alleviate Voter suppression but it would give the government far more tools to fight it and recruit a far more expansive list of election reforms for federal races. And i think this is something that's long overdue. So final question. You've got such strong. I opposing stances. By republicans and democrats on the voting issue. Use the any chance for common ground for example. What's happening in kentucky. Yeah i see some chance for common ground. You're right in kentucky. They had a bipartisan election. Bill and i think there's a lot of things that people agree with and honestly if you had asked me two years ago. There was pretty sean. Where partisan agreement in georgia for things like early voting in mail voting. So it's only recently as these. Things have become politicized if donald trump is. The leader of the republican party and the republican party is defending insurrectionists and according white supremacists do. I think we're going to have a lot of them. Are partisan agreement on elections. No i don't if that's how if if the republican party is the party of white nationalist and anti-democratic reactionaries that. No we're not gonna have any sort of bipartisan agreement on elections in most places if the republican party is not that party. If it's different kind of party a party that believes that it can win the votes of voters of color and win the votes of young people a party. That believes that it shouldn't associate itself with white nationalists or people like marjorie taylor green then. I think there could be bipartisan group. But i don't think you can really separate the debate over election issues from these broader debates. That are going on about. What is the republican party. Becoming how it's radicalizing against democracy and how donald trump has corrupted it in so many ways and so. I think it's really important to look at the debate. Over voting in the context of this broader debate over national politics. And that's something that is really unsettled at this very moment. I said that was the last question but down has a number of legal charges being brought against him including his taxes and georgia How he tried to influence the secretary of state depending on how those play out. Do you think. Donald trump could lose some of that influence with his current supporters. Probably not because if he didn't lose influence after inciting an insurrection. That nearly got members of congress killed It's hard to imagine how he would lose influence. They're just going to say that. This is a rigged wichita just like they said about all of the other investigation so. I don't think that it's going to change. How many of his supporters feel about him. But i think it's going to damage his reputation. And i think it's already clear that a significant percentage of americans have already further soured on his behavior and he's nowhere near the level of support. That joe biden. Has i mean when donald trump left as president his approval ratings were in the high thirties. Low forties and joe biden's approval rating in the sixties. Right now and so I don't think they're anywhere near equivalent political figures right now but i think that donald trump's grip on the base of the republican party is tight as it ever was. That's where the momentum are those. Are the people that are telling state. Legislators they need to restrict voting not because they believe in restricting voting. Because they don't want democrats to win elections and they don't believe that democratic victories are legitimate and they see democrats not as a political opponents but it's political enemies and actually the polling bears this out that at and that's why i'm saying there's this broader radicalization against democracy. There's throughout iraq. Owes asian against the law writ large. That's occurring within the republican party. That trump is the biggest manifestation of but not the exclusive manifestation of until that is somehow controlled. I don't think you can really extricate debates about voting or really any other issue from that. But i think it's interesting that at the same time georgia republicans are trying to make it harder. Devote trump is under investigation and could soon be under criminal investigation for trying to throw out the results of the election. You i mean it's kind of hard to ignore the lengths that he went to try to overturn the election. The fact that those lengths have now been manifested in another extensively. More legal form ari. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks so much. It was great to talk to you. That was our neighbor senior reporter. I'd mother jones and author give up the ballot not modern struggle for voting rights. In america and that toll for today you can find us on facebook and twitter or send an email. Be our podcast at deputy you. Amu org theme composed by jim brown berry and landsberg wonder late. The show is produced by rebecca kaufman and brody before we close to pay special tribute to a man who helped move forward rights for all in this country vernon jordan. He died today. He has eight five. Thanks for listening. All being will stay safe. I'm diane rain.

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 An Injury To Their Electoral Prospects

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An Injury To Their Electoral Prospects

"Arizona has laws that prevent fraudulent ballots collection. This law actually criminalizes non-fraudulent ballot collection. Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats politics. Zero sum game right. Don't arise because someone has wronged rights arise because you disagree with other people because you have different values and different commitments from other people. Hi and welcome back to amicus this lates podcast about the courts and law the supreme court the rule of law. I'm diabetic covered those things for slate and we have somehow achieved a milestone anniversary on this show one year today. Podcasting from the basement I do hope you and yours are well. Since we last spoke there's been a good deal of legislative action to relieve covid to relieve economic suffering in general and also to attempt to protect the vote. Merrick garland was confirmed as attorney general this week and john roberts dissented alone for the first time ever on this show. 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More than ever slate plus membership is only thirty five dollars for the first year to sign up. Go to slate dot com slash amicus plus. So yes it's a pack show at. Let's get started first. We want to revisit. In a pair of cases there were heard last week at the supreme court brnovich versus the dnc. It's not just the first big big voting rights case of this biden era. It's also i think a pretty good trial balloon. Signaling how the roberts court plans to look at voting restrictions that as you know are just blooming everywhere around the country. Brnovich arises from a pair of arizona regulations that make it harder for some voters to cast a ballot and this case comes as red states around the country have passed huge amounts of new laws seeking to limit voting as a february nineteenth twenty twenty one state lawmakers have carried over profiled introduced two hundred fifty three new bills with provisions that restrict voting access in forty three states. This is the most significant wave of voting restrictions that we have seen quite literally since the jim crow era. An analysis in this week's washington post suggests that if these things go into effect they would create hurdles for tens of millions of voters going forward the two provisions that. We're going to talk about today. Were challenged under section two of the voting rights. Act and one of the lawyers. Jessica aronson who represented katie. Hobbs arizona's secretary of state is here to try to talk us through the issues. At the argument. Jessica aronson is co chair of general blocks appellate and supreme court practice. She's chair of the firms election law and redistricting practice in two thousand eighteen. She was named in pellet. Mvp by law three sixty which recognizes five attorneys in the country who had extraordinary wins and contributed most to their practice area. In the past year. She also serves on the advisory committee to the voting rights institute. she's a member of litigation strategy council for the campaign legal center. Jesse it is a treat and a pleasure to welcome you to angus. Thank you so much as a pleasure to be here. And i think i also want to start by asking you. If you don't mind to just explain those two provisions that were challenged In the cases last week. Because i think at first blush they sound like it could be reasonably benign efforts to protect quote ballad integrity. Sure so The first is actually a policy. Not a law it's the out of precinct policy and that requires that any voter who votes in the wrong precinct that their ballot will be discarded even though they may have been eligible to vote for in fact all of the races on the ballot if there are only statewide races if it's for example just president and governor they of course would have been eligible to vote for those races and that is a policy that is part of the elections procedures manual in arizona. That is promulgated by the secretary of state secretary of state katie. Hobbs and so one of the the things that we pointed out to the court is that in fact arizona no longer really uses a precinct based voting system that in the twenty twenty election seventy five percent of voters actually were in counties that were not using a precinct based system so the attorney general's speech kind of justification that this policy was needed in order to protect the integrity of a precinct based system is somewhat suspect. And in fact. Of course secretary of state. Hobbs is the state's chief elections official. And was there telling the court that the precinct policy is not needed and that it's perfectly administratively. Feasible to count ballots are cast out of precinct. So that's the outer precinct policy. The second policy is a statute that the arena legislature passed to ban. Anyone other than family member a caregiver or a household member or a postal worker of course from possessing a voters voted ballots. And so this. Arizona already has laws that prevent fraudulent ballots collection. This law actually criminalizes non-fraudulent ballot collections. So even helping a neighbor to deliver their ballots is punishable by up to two years in jail and one hundred and fifty thousand dollar fine and this law is particularly difficult in arizona which has a number of reservations where native american voters do not have home mail service and in fact many families share post office boxes. That are quite far away from where they live. So this has a real impact for native american voters and latino voters in particular in arizona. So jesse you had said this briefly. But it's i think a bit confusing. You're on this case On behalf of katie hobbs. She is arizona's secretary of state but she declined actually to defend these two provisions after she took office. So so if you would that that puts her in the world of all these State election officials who are really cut between rocks and hard places in this litigation. Can you explain to us a y. You're in this case on her behalf and be what that's been like for her sure. So secretary hops was elected in twenty eighteen and she never defended the ballot collection statute. She was actually in the legislature when it was passed in knew full well that the purpose of it was to to disenfranchise minority voters. So she immediately Declined to defend that statute after the nine circuits on bunk decision came down and she consulted with county officials. She also declined to continue to defend the out of precinct policy because it was perfectly administratively feasible to actually count out of precinct ballots and the attorney general nonetheless Took the case to the supreme court and so she elected to be on the other side of the case and to retain her own counsel so that so that's how we came to represent her. You know the secretary is the chief elections officer of arizona. She ran against an opponent whose platform included no longer. Printing voting materials in spanish. And she is someone who you know in connection with the twenty. Twenty election faced tremendous criticism. And even you know threats for just doing her job which is protecting the voters of arizona. And that's why she wanted to stand up in the supreme court and continue to try to protect voters and beyond the side of ensuring that more voters can vote and particularly minority voters. don't face unjustified burdens on their rights. And now. I'm going to ask you to do the heavy lift. Which is the quick refresher on the voting rights. Act of nineteen sixty five Listeners know i think that the court struck down one of the most important sections of the voting rights act in shelby county right. This is the crown jewel of the civil rights movement and then attention shifts to section two of the voting rights act. And i wonder if you would just very quickly explain. What section five did what it doesn't do. And what section to kind of moves into the space to try to do in its stash sure so section five was a provision that applied to cover jurisdictions and there was a formula to determine what was a covered jurisdiction and the court in twenty thirteen in a case called county struck down the coverage formula which essentially rendered section five in applicable so even though section five is technically still in effect because the coverage formula struck down it no longer applies and what section five required was that in those covered jurisdictions if they were going to make any sort of change in in voting policies or procedures they had to have those changes pre cleared by either the department of justice or the district court in washington dc and so it was extremely effective. Even though most changes were in fact pre cleared it was a deterrent to those states. Not to actually enact policies or procedures that were going to cause minorities to have less opportunity to vote so they would have to be pre cleared to make sure that the ability of minority voters didn't retrogressed that they didn't sort of take away opportunities that minority voters otherwise had so that was section five and then once section five was essentially rendered a nullity by the striking down of the coverage. Formula suits began to be brought. More under section to section two is a more cumbersome procedure than section five because for section five the burden was on the cover jurisdiction to show that their policy did not retrogressed minority. Voting rights in section to the burden is on the plaintiff to come forward and show that their rights are in fact that they are being denied or abridged the right to vote on account of race and so section two suits are much more resource intensive complex. So it's it's certainly not a replacement for section five but it is now really the only tool that minority voters have to try to challenge policies. That cause discrimination in voting. And i guess it behooves us to just note that quite literally within days of shelby county. We saw jurisdictions falling all over themselves to enact all sorts of burdens on minority voting. In some sense that raft of new laws that i flicked at at the top of the show some of those at least in the sort of pre cover jurisdictions they would have had to be approved so we are living in a kind of wild west world. Now where absent section five no-holds-barred you can try your best under section two. But certainly. I think it's fair to say but tell me if it's not that had shelby county not gone the way it had gone we would not be living in the world we live in this month. We're voting restrictions are being just willy nilly Enacted all over the country and there's an immense burden on plaintiffs to challenge them right. That's right any of the covered. Jurisdictions would have had to pre-clear those laws and and you're right that first ample in texas and north carolina literally within twenty four hours of the shelby. County decision the texas voter. Id law went into effect end. In north carolina a whole host of various voting restrictions were introduced. So so. That's absolutely true that both of those were subsequently challenged under section two but those are our laws that likely either would not have been submitted for pre-clearance because they would have known that they would not have been pre cleared or had they been submitted actually wouldn't have been allowed to take effect. Okay this is the only other wonky table set. I'm gonna ask you to do jesse which is just explain section to end the quote unquote results test. Because i think what's complicated in this case is the difference between intent and effect and results and Section too. I think was supposed to just prohibit state. Electoral regulations that result quote in denial or abridgement of the right But it's just not that simple anymore right. That's right so in one thousand nine hundred eighty two in response to a supreme court decision called city of mobile versus bolton that decision that section two did no more than the fifteenth amendment so it did no more than prohibit intentional discrimination in voting and so in one thousand nine hundred to congress amended section two of the voting rights act and added what has come to be called the results test and for many years after that primarily what was challenged under section to work i dilution claims so redistricting schemes were challenged and at large districts were challenged things that diluted the power of minorities vote post shelby county. You started to see more vote. Denial claims sort of the kind of restrictions. That we're talking about here like the out of precinct policy voter. Id laws cutbacks. In early voting ballot collection statutes things like that where people are being denied the right to vote because of these new policies and so the the results test is meant to measure whether minority voters have less opportunity as compared to non minority voters and so the challenge has been that the court has said that sort of racial disparities are not enough and kind of what more needs to be shown is what i think. The court is is going to be addressing in this most recent decision. And can you just explain as briefly as as possible. What it is that the ninth circuit decided when they looked at to arizona provisions and what the test was that. The court of appeals used in striking down those two provisions sure so the ninth circuit used a two step test that most of the other circuits have used where i it looked to weather minority voters as compared to non minority voters whether there was a disparity in opportunity and then at the second step it applied what have been called the jingles factors so that is basically kind of trying to look at the whole context and what section to the statute actually requires as a consideration of the quote totality of circumstances and so the jingles factors. Were meant sort of help. Guide that inquiry and so they involve things like looking to the history to the kind of effects of discrimination that continue to persist today in terms of education and opportunity. And so the ninth circuit in this case looked at the facts on the ground and saw that for example with the out of precinct policy that arizona was disenfranchising eleven times more voters than any other state with that policy and that the disparity was that minority voters being disenfranchised a rate of two to one and the district court found that because there were only a relatively in its view. Small number of minorities being disenfranchised for thousand in the year two thousand sixteen i will say also eleven thousand in the year two thousand twelve which is more than the margin of victory in the presidential election in arizona. Was this this past year. But the district court found that that was sort of too small a number to sustain a section to claim the on bond court rejected that and then with respect to the ballot collection statute the on court likewise found that although there were not kind of specific numbers in terms of the actual statistics of the disparity between minority and non minority voters. It was undisputed. That ballot collection was relied on by minority voters. And not by white voters and that it would In particular hurts native americans on reservations and in rural areas who dependent upon ballot collection As well as hispanics who had traditionally used ballot collection and then sort of beyond just the results tests the court found also that the ballot collection statute had been enacted with a discriminatory purpose and there was abundant evidence in the record including a kind of a video where the chair of The miracle pa- county republican party is. There's a video of a man who appears to be of hispanic heritage bringing ballots to the county and the kind of commentary that accompanies the video is speculation on whether the person is a dreamer or illegal alien or a thug and is trying to stuff the ballot box. So the on court found that all of that racially tinged and unfounded accusations of ballot fraud with respect to ballot collection were what caused the statue to be enacted with discriminatory purpose. We'll be right. Back with more from jessica ring amundsen on the battle to decide what tests courts will use to decide if your vote is being suppressed under section two when we come back. Amicus is supported by first republic. Bank ask yourself this. Does your bank really know you. It's time to discover the difference. Personalized banking can make by switching to first republic bank from day one. 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But what is it that they were asking the court to us as the benchmark sure so there were two petitioners on the other side so i was the arizona republican party and then was the attorney general and the arizona. Republican party's position. Was that anything that is a ostensibly neutral time. Place and manner regulation that imposes no more than the ordinary. Burdens of voting is just kind of per se. Fine and that courts shouldn't be looking behind those sorts of regulations to see how they're affecting voters on the grounds so that was certainly their position in the briefing. I think that they walked away a bit from that position at the world argument but that was their position in the briefing that time. Place and manner restrictions. Don't even sort of get section to scrutiny. The attorney general's position was not quite that extreme. But the attorney general was mostly advocating. That you would have to have a substantial disparity although rather than actually focusing on whether the disparity was substantial the attorney. General seem more focused on whether the number of people affected was substantial. So yes you're right. That the petitioners did not necessarily even agree on what they were asking the court to adopt. And can you. I think you've already said it. But can you just as crisply as you can articulate. What the standard is that. You think the court should be holding to. We think the standard that the courts have been using in the lower courts. The two step test is perfectly manageable standard. That courts have had no trouble applying. We did also point out in our brief that the solicitor general had offered still a third sort of way of thinking about these claims and we pointed out that in many respects. That test would work. Well we pointed out that there were some issues with that test as well. The primary one being that the solicitor general's brief had argued for a proximate causation requirements. And they had never done that previously. And we don't think that's supported by the case law. I realize this getting into highly technical area and then the solicitor general subsequently withdrew. Its support for the test. That it advocated in its brief so hopefully have realized that a proximate causation. Requirement is not actually part of the text or the way that section two has been applied in the vote dilution context so your average listener. Correct me if. I'm wrong jesse. But which listener now is looking at like the buffet at circus circus right. There's a whole bunch of tests. There's two different tests being floated by your opponent. The s g office is in and then out of this other tests You're asking for something else. And then each of the conservative justices. I think was was spit. Balling on what. A new good test would be And this all seems very haha you know marx brothers but of course there's deadly serious right to vote here particularly for minorities. That are quite literally being disenfranchised. There's a funny moment. Where elena kagan asks you she's like i don't even know wh what the standard is that anyone's talking about anymore. Let's listen for one second resemblance in the longer. This argument goes on the less clear. I am as to how the party standards differ. Have you answer that. I mean i. I know how you did answer. But this seems as though it's become this sprawling octopus of confusion. It's not actually that confusing until you've got seventy different standards floating around right right. So what i think. Justice kagan was probably reacting to. There was that she had asked the attorney for the republican party. A series of hypotheticals kind of putting to the test his position that neutral time place and manner restrictions are just immune from section to review and. He seemed to at least his answers. seemed not consistent with that position. And so i think what she was saying. Is you know it seems to me like everyone is actually in agreement that you need to do more than just come in and say this is a neutral time. Place and manner restriction. You need to actually look behind this. And see what's actually happening on the ground that the statute mandates consideration of totality of the circumstances and that means looking at the actual kind of social and historical factors that are affecting Y minorities are being disenfranchised. And let's be really clear here. Jesse because i think michael carvin who was representing. The republican party was quite literally at least initially. It sounded like a literacy test would have passed the test that at least proffered in the brief right it Elena kagan here. She is asking him about whether you could force everyone to vote at a country club The state says we're placing all our polling places at country clubs and that decision means black. Voters have to drive ten times as long to the polls and Have to go into places which you know traditionally hostile to them. I would think that would provide them with less opportunity to non minority well because they have to travel further into hostile territory. Were non minorities can can travel one block to very sympathetic under any definition of but as you said it seems as though over the course of the argument he was at least somewhat retreating from the notion that quote unquote anything goes right. It certainly seemed that way that the position that all you had to do is say this is a neutral time place and manner restriction He later in the argument called it sort of laughable that you wouldn't kind of look at actual demographic realities on the ground. So yes i think. He was kind of retreating. What from that position at argument i suggested earlier that i counted. At least maybe three. I can't tell if it's three or four different variations on the standard that was being floated by various members of the court. Maybe four maybe five. I i just wonder if anyone in your view Was positing something that you could live with. Even if they in the end decided as it looks like they're going to do to uphold those two provisions but is there anything that you heard that made you sanguine that may be robust protection could still survive or was it all i again. I don't wanna make light of it. But was it all just smoke and mirrors that is working toward disenfranchising minorities. I think that the court was struggling with coming up with with a workable test and with looking at what the court below did and with seeing how to apply that going forward but they're certainly did not seem to be any appetite for the. Let's just take everything off the table when you come in and say it's a neutral time place manner restrictions so that was certainly heartening that it didn't seem like that was a position. The court was prepared to embrace. You know. I think there were various. Members of the court had various concerns and various issues. You justice briar asked. I think all of the advocates about kind of the traditional disparate impact test that is used in title seven and in fair housing act cases. I think they're trying to come up with something that will. Hopefully as you said will be able to live with and we'll be able to continue to challenge disenfranchising policies particularly because section to really remains the only tool to do so and jesse i guess the follow on meta question that i have is this anxiety. And we've heard this at the court before and certainly we've heard it in the voter. Id context and we've heard it in the vote purges right there's been a whole line of cases in which the court has blessed schemes that make it harder to vote and it's always under this blanket of well voter fraud voter integrity. The people are worried and we are now quite literally coming off an election where a very significant proportion of the population regardless of what the facts on the ground are believed that there's immense fraudulent hoax seeing lying Stolen ballots and it doesn't matter what the facts are and of course this is completely self fulfilling because then it allows the justices to say things like you know. Here's neil gorsuch saying we have to wait till the fraud happens. Can't we just avert the scourge of vote fraud. That is all around. Iran are With respect there was no such evidence of there ever being any ballot collection fraud in arizona. I didn't say zona who was in another state deserves on have to wait for fraud to occur in arizona using a practice. No you know your honor but as this court has said in 'cause so it doesn't matter then you you agree. It doesn't matter that they're harvesting hasn't resulted in fraud in arizona. How many states. How many elections does it need to affect of out of state for arizona can take cognizance of it in its own state and in that sense. I guess you have this uphill battle. Because you're fighting this fantastical non truthful belief that people increasingly have which is that. The ballots are all completely fraudulent. And mrs rampant. And i wonder if. There's this weirdness in this posture you have to take. Which is actually there is not immense ballot fraud with their is is immense vote suppression. And i don't wanna fight that first thing because the second thing is true. It's certainly extremely disheartening. That there are legislators across the country who are undermining voters confidence in democracy while simultaneously saying that we need new restrictions on the right to vote in order to increase voters confidence in democracy and we tried to point out to in this case that there is literally no record of fraud with respect to ballot collection and in in fact that the restriction at issue doesn't target fraudulent ballot collection And so one of the things that i tried to point out at oral argument and that i hope the court will sort of think about is that in its campaign finance jurisprudence the court does not accept a legislature just saying well we think that there's corruption and so we are going to place limits on expenditures and contributions because we want to be sure there's no appearance of corruption instead the court actually requires the legislature to have record evidence that the danger that they are attempting to prevent against actually exists and so in response to justice gorsuch there. What i said was that the court ought to give at least the same level of scrutiny to restrictions on the ability to participate in the political process through spending money as they do on the ability to participate by voting. So hopefully the court will look to its campaign finance jurisprudence. At least to say that you need to have some record that this is real and you need to actually look behind the legislature when they claim to be needing particular restrictions to protect the ballot to see. If that's really true jesse for say goodbye. I wanna ask you about the moment in the argument. It wasn't you talking. It was a colloquy between coney barrett and michael carbon where she essentially said to him. You know why is the arizona republican party even in this case you know. Why do you care about keeping these laws on the books. And he had this quote that i think Blew up twitter for at least a day. Let's listen what's the interest of the arizona. Rnc here in keeping say the out of precinct voter ballot disqualification rules on the books because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats politics zero sum game and every extra vote they get through unlawful interpretations of sexually to hurts us. It's the difference between winning and election. Fifty to forty nine and louis time is up and folks characterize this as saying the quiet part out loud. Everybody read it as there he is. He's just saying it. The the reason the party is invested in. This is because this is how politics is played now and this is a zero sum game and we have to suppress the vote. I've heard some pushback to that. That's over reading. What carbon was saying. But i wonder if there's some utility and just calling it what is that we just are now naming this thing which is one party is going to continue to make it harder to vote particularly from an particularly for communities of color and the poor and the young and one party is going to wildly. Try to encourage a a bigger french. That's what hr one is all about. That's what The john lewis act is all about and i. I wonder if there's some utility for you as an advocate in just having it spoken out loud. This is the name of the game. We're not going to pretend this is about fraud. We're not going to pretend this is about integrity or public confidence in democracy. We're just say we have to suppress the vote. Is that useful for you going forward or is that just totally depressing cynical. Well certainly what. I tried to say in my closing and what i firmly believe is that you know. Candidates and parties should be trying to appeal to voters on the basis of their ideas the petitioners in their brief kind of repeatedly referred to section two as a one way ratchet. And you know why is that a bad thing. We live in a democracy right. We want we should want everyone to be able to access the votes to have their vote counted yet. The saying the quiet part out loud. It was also part of their reply. Brief they characterized enforcement of section two for purposes of their standing argument as a quote injury to their electoral prospects. And i can't sort of say it better than what they said themselves. That's why they told the court they were here because they view enforcement of section two as an injury to their electoral prospects. And it's so interesting. I'm looking at a from ari berman Earlier this week an arizona state republican just flat out said quote. Everybody shouldn't be. Voting quantity is important but we have to look at the quality of the votes as well. And that's another step towards exactly what you're describing right. This is straight up. Jim crow. We're not even going to pretend that you know one person. One vote is a principle that we adhere to or not going to even pretend that abroad franchise is good for democracy. We're just gonna start making arguments about the quote unquote quality of the voter. That's i guess. I'm just going to end by asking you did you. Ever in your life thing we'd be back in a world where we are now sort of saying to classes of voters the voters that we like in the voters that we don't like it doesn't matter if that ladder class just loses the franchise. That's an amazing river to something that i thought was gone It's very unfortunate but you know that is certainly not a world that i want to live in and his certainly a world that i'm going to try to fight to prevent from happening but Yeah i mean. That's the world of of literacy tests right and that's not world we want. I don't think in the united states of america Jesse it's been such a treat to have you here and i hope we can have you back when the case is decided. I know you are crazy. Busy as this is open season in election law land. So we really really appreciate your time here today. Jessica ring amazon is co chair of general blocks appellate and supreme court practice and chair of the firms election law and redistricting practice. Jesse thank you so very much for joining us this week on the show. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure. We're going to pause now to hear from one of our great sponsors on this show and then we will be talking to jamal. Green to find out why the way we've been thinking about. Our rates is all wrong. Wouldn't it be great. If there were a pocket-sized guide that helped you sleep. Focus act even be while there is and if you have ten minutes head space can change your life head. 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He's actually joined us on the show before but this week we're going to talk about his brand new book. How rights went wrong. Why our obsession with rates is tearing america apart. It's a really interesting deep dive. On this question of how obsessed americans have become with framing just in terms of rights often at the expense of any other principal and often in ways that lead to incredibly destructive battles. So it's an interesting moment to rethink. What i think has been Sub theme of so many of our shows about rates rates jamal's to shake up a little. Jamal green is dwight professor of law at columbia law school. He's a graduate of harvard. College and yale law school a former law clerk to john. Paul stevens jamal is a treat to have you back on the show. Congratulations on the book. Thank you good to be here. And i guess we're just gonna start from. What feels like an incredibly counterintuitive preposition. Which is what you lead with that you know in a world that loves to tell the story about and then brown v board and the sun came up and then griswold in the crickets in the harps in all became right with the world because of these landmark rights affording cases and. I think you don't actually dispute that. Those are good things. But i think your just general thesis is that we have become so i love this word right cyst so obsessed with these zero winner. Take all right. There were actually inching toward something really terrible. That is the opposite of. That's the very counterintuitive proposition from which you lead. Yeah yes. I'm glad you say it's counterintuitive because that means um something interesting so yeah you're right Brown griswald i like these cases. I think the right way decided. But i don't think the rally decided because in a rights are great. I the right. We decided because these particular rights were decided correctly in relation to the particular context in which they rose so brown is about white supremacy. It's not about just rights being great It's about there are times when the government is really trying to put you down. And in those circumstances judges really do need to have some courage and and show it and griswald is a case about denying people birth control. It's about denying women in particular the right to live their lives. that's a really significant burden. And so you better have a good reason but it's not just right. It's not just you know anytime rights at at stake. The heavens must fall before the right. It has to depend on the particular circumstance. One of the through lines. That i really catch throughout the book and i think you say it in all sorts of really different and interesting ways that we all just have to live alongside one another. We have to get along. We have to work this out. You have toward the end of the book. You have this nice line. We can't quit one. Another and i think that again. It seems like a fairly self evident declaration of something true. But you're i imagine because he write about cove it a little bit writing this at a time when we were actually living in two completely different planets in terms of the rights of covid right like we were fighting people marching around saying they had a right not to be masked not a right. I've ever heard of and on the other side. You know very very broad claims of rights from state and local governments under police powers saying they could do whatever they wanted and i thought it was an interesting way to approach this book. Which is we all have to live together when it seems like we are making both declarations of rights that kind of zero out the other person's interests but also almost assume we don't have to live together even when we're in the midst of a pandemic when we were quite literally killing each other these decisions. Yeah i i mean. I suppose it's right that we don't have to live together. We can conclude. Creators balkanised a society as possible. I don't think judges should be trying to get us to that place. I think they should be trying to get us away from that place. And it's it's very interesting that you bring up the the pandemic. i wrote most of the book before the pandemic hit and the original title of this book was the rights epidemic. And i used that term before the pandemic and i use that term because i wanted to emphasize that rights are part of the human condition. And they're going to conflict and they're going to cause pain and we've got to figure out a way out of them and then when the when the pandemic hit i've editors when i got together and said you know i don't wanna look like a making light of this so we changed title but there are some references in the book and in some of my talking about the themes of the book since then i actually wrote an article about masking a few months back and i actually think there's something productive in conceding the point that someone has a right to walk around without a mask and part of that is that it goes back to the the ultimate themes the book. Which is you know if you tell someone who feels really strongly about something even if even if they're being totally unreasonable if you tell them if you really strongly about something in know what you just you just got. Your constitution doesn't care about you. You're not you're not starting a right. The real rights are the ones that i'm telling you that exist or or the ones that my favorite justice has has declared you know they're to either just reject that out of hand it's a conversation stopper and part of the books. Charge is to get us to try to think about rights as conversation beginners rather than conversation enders. and so. Let's talk about when you got to wear your masks when you don't have to wear your masks right rather than say. Oh no you just just whatever the governor tells you you gotta listen to them. And i think that doesn't doesn't work in our society. I think that's a really nice segue to this broad theme of the book. Which is it's one thing to afford. People rights like you say maybe it's a useful piece of rhetoric and concession to say. Hey you know maybe you do have a right not to mask and i'm not gonna take that away from you or say you're an idiot but i think your larger point is that we actually afford very few rights and then we make them very. Your word is strong rights. There's not a lot of lesser rights. And then these strong rights kind of put in crystal cases for break the glass moments. And i think this is what you're the point you're making right now about masking which is instead of having these hyper fetishizes handful of rights for which we live and die to spread it all around lots more week rights and then we negotiate them. That's the premise. Yeah yeah that's the basic idea and in some ways. It's i think necessary if you say that rights are really really strong absolute. You just can't have that many of them hype because they're going to come into conflict with each other one of the underlying premises of the book right in. This goes back to your emergency break. Glass moment is in a rights. Don't arise because someone has wronged you rights arise because you disagree with other people because you have different values and different commitments from other people. And that's that's controversial premise. I i get that. But i feel very strongly about it and i think it's it's even more obvious as we push through modern american history that there are certain values that we have that are irreconcilable at wholesale right. It's either you're with us or you're against us right. And if you're if you're in that space the question becomes what's the role for constitutional decision maker. And that's whether it's a judge or a politician a constitutional decision maker in that in that situation. You can either decide which side is threat side which cites the wrong side. But i don't think that is very encouraging for our future. There are better ways of thinking about rights retail rather than a wholesale and to think about the specific factual context And that's that's a lot of the book urges and i think underlying value point year also critiquing the decision makers And we'll talk in a minute about all the ways that judges get it wrong. But i think one of the things that you say is there's no agreement across the boards about these should be are strong rates and we all come together and say this is stuff we're all going to fight for. Its that judges. And historically that means largely wealthy privileged white men are going to say these are are strong rights. And you have this nice line where you say. Given the backgrounds of judges it should come as no surprise that many of the problems invested with the solemnity of constitutional rights or the worries of the first world man access to politicians to pornography to open shop workplaces rights more essential to the poor such as the right to food or shelter or healthcare. Those are left out altogether. So i think that the point is we haven't even really come to a consensus about what these break. The glass rates are we just have a bunch of privilege white men who say you know what really matters. Speech guns business. That's what matters. That's that's exactly right. And you know we you could imagine a constitutional system that look different from us right so that was really super specific about all the rights people had and there is broad agreement that if the thing wasn't listed there then then you don't have it so you've got going to list four thousand rights and you've got all of them listed there you know if you want another right you go to maybe get a simple majority or something easy men constitution. You could imagine that kind of cut. We certainly don't have that kind of constitution in fact are the. Us constitution is the second shortest in the world behind monaco and most of the rights that we argue about are not super specific. Really quite vague and so to then say well the reason why you know you've got a right to hardcore pornography is because first amendment says it. Well no no it doesn't it doesn't say it it says freedom of speech right and also says congress doesn't say states so you have to interpret the constitution and it's not obvious how to apply in modern circumstances and so what i'm really urging is that we sort of pretend that these values conflicts we have about whether to honor the rights of one person or another are just determined by the constitution or determined by it. Oh some consensus and rather think of them as things that we fundamentally disagree about and have to figure out how to mediate so thinking about judges not as deciders of existential questions. Were abstract legal questions but to think of them as mediators of disputes. And it the more you think about judges in that way. I think the more judges can try to be problem. Solvers rather than declares of rights have a theory for why it is. I think you open the book with this argument. That americans have this very centralizing very exceptional est view that this rights based doctrinal view of the world as we are the free as people in the world because we have these strong rights. And how actually out of kilter it. It's with almost every other comparable constitutional democracy. Do you theory for. Is this just kind of fondness for the story. We tell about the framers and history and how old the constant i mean. What is the basis for this idea. Because i think your point is. It's actually counter programmed by almost every other country in the world. But we're very very very enamored of the notion that this strong rights zero zero-sum fight to the death winners and losers view of freedom makes america. The free country in the world is is there a reason other than it's always been that way so without conceding. The empirical premise america's forgets country in the world. The the certainly. That's part of the way we talk about ourselves. As americans and i think there's a lot of stories you can tell about how we get there. You can tell a story about frontier mentality or something. You can tell a story about something. Something framers framers The the story that. I want to tell and i don't just talk about it in comparative perspective. And you're right that this way of thinking about rights is very american and is not very common in other parts of the world but it's also not something from our past. It's our recent past. I think post nineteen sixties and. Not something that. I would tied the framers even though we often tell that about ourselves because we tie everything to the framers somewhere other but the framers would not have recognized this version of rights. That were very communitarian about the way to think about rights. Where i think this actually comes from in part and i don't want to deny any any other story but what i think this comes from in part is our particular history with race and how that acts with how we think about rights is that america's rights culture comes out of the civil rights movement. And so it comes out of a seed where strong rights is actually really important when you're talking about jim crow and we lion. Is you know brown versus board of education as your foundation or rights case. Then it's very easy to associate the very idea of rights with the ideas in a case like brown versus board of education. And then you know everyone in the society wants to claim rights and so people say well. My right should be just the same. as anyone. else's. I see brown people making strong rights claims arising out of brown. And here's my rights claim weisensee equally strong. I think once we get to the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventy s when you get a really strong explosion in rights claiming from a very wide cross section of americans free speech rights women's rights sexual revolution criminal procedure revolution rights to government welfare. Lots and lots of different ways of thinking about writes on the margins rather than rather than situations in which the government is just denying your citizenship entirely but or just loathes you were talking about is governance governance that has blind spots. That's very different and has to be. I think legal decision makers have to think about that situation very differently than you think about a pathological government like the jim crow south and i think we just haven't reconciled that disjuncture. We just sort of chalk it up to all being about rights when you know every situation is a little different and that's complicated netanyahu. But you know judges get paid the big bucks not the big bucks but they get the fancy titles in order to resolve hard questions i want to go back if we could to framers framers blah blah framers. Because i think one of the things that you put the lie to the story everybody likes to tell about the framers being very very agitated about the right of the individual As against the overweening government right and the rights of minorities in the ways in which the bill of rights sets the individual up against the government. And i think your point is actually that that narrative a- as you just suggested that's a much later narrative and that what the bill of rights contemplated what the framers contemplated was a founding era thought. It's very detailed village That the folks who were best suited to do this work of mediation reconciling competing rates demands of different entities. Wasn't the courts it was. God forbid that it would be the judges it would be local political entities. It would be churches and your family and local. Legislators and juries may be but the idea that Judges would come down with a flaming sword in grant you. The rights against a tyrannical government was just not the plot. That was not the point. And we've kind of gone back and reverse engineered that story to comport with how we think about rights today. Yeah that that. I think that's exactly right. The the framers of the us constitution and of course they all had different views. So we we shouldn't essentials the views of the framers but by and large and we look at the bill of rights in particular but they were concerned about was self government. They wanted to govern themselves. And that didn't just mean self-government against the british right that meant self-government in local communities. So us federalism is about self government in that sense is local legislatures local juries in particular and almost almost every right in the bill of rights is at some level about juries local militia. Right your local churches establishment clauses originally understood in these federalism terms. Don't interfere with our local. Our local churches these local institutions of government where politics is going to help to mediate among people who might have different. Political views was the essence of self government and that was entirely consistent with rights. Because that's what you institute. Government in order to realize impact the declaration of independence says when it refers to the unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the next line isn't and therefore you know we have a federal judiciary the next line is and therefore you have government. That's why governments are instituted in order to pursue those objectives. And i think we've lost that lesson in lots of ways. I think there was good reason to lose it at the time. Because of the founders community was very narrow one right they didn't include highly relevant parts of the population in political decision so those decisions have no legitimacy in that form of government had no legitimacy at the time. But the idea that when you think about rights you have to integrate that into an idea of self government. I think is something worth recovering and the the challenge is married vat to genuine pluralism to genuine disagreement and genuine difference in people from different backgrounds. And we're still not there. We've never quite figured out that those things have to be blended in some way and the answer to that can't be decide with the real rights are and decide what the real rights aren't Because that that rejects the pluralism part. Right that goes back to your. We all are going to need to get along and so hoping that some court is gonna come along and vindicate our rights And that all these other intermediate institutions don't matter is not a super smart way for us all to get along in part as you suggest throughout the book because if there are winners losers using this construction that's right it's a it's a mannequin frame. For for thinking about rights when a rights are the byproduct of government. And that doesn't mean that you would nor them but it also doesn't mean that you ignore the legitimate governmental interest that produce them. Jamal talk a little bit about again. One of the things. It's super interesting. Is all the ways in which the united states is an outlier as compared to other countries in one one of the interesting stories you tell is abortion and the path that the united states took post row and comparing it to a pretty profoundly. Different path Taken almost at the same time in germany in the book you describe it as you know this violent apocalypse conflict over abortion rights wasn't inevitable. This was a choice. And i wonder if you could just lay that out as a very very concrete example of what what the other version of the same story is assured. I'll i'll try to tell it as simply as i as i can. It's a sort of middle chapter of the book. It's a fairly dramatic story because there's a kind of parallel universe going on with abortion rights in germany at the same time as the us where row is decided in nineteen seventy-three where many states but specifically enrolled texas and companion case georgia statutes restricting abortion in various ways and the question row is do the rights of the autonomy rights and a of women overcome whatever government will interest. There might be germany at the same time. It's approaching it from exactly the opposite direction chris. They've they've had abortion restrictions forever. They pass liberalization bill and that's challenged by the christian democrats who say you're not respecting the white. The rights of the fetus enough for the constitutional value of fetal. Life is not being respected. A through this this liberalisation statute and they and they win. The christian democrats get the law overturned but at the same time the court doesn't say well fetal life has value and therefore the abortion rights. Don't matter right. They say you've got to respect all of the various rights and values at stake here and eventually over time the way that the germans come to see it. Is that the way to respect for life is to give women genuine choices. giving women. genuine choices involves lots of investment in pregnancy. Lots of investment in families work guarantees and so forth. Now i don't wanna t tell too simplistic a story or at germany's very different from the united states. Lots of ways but it shows you that even starting from a premise that from a us perspective would look extremely conservative. You get to a place where people are actually having political conversations and there's a big compromise bill in the early nineteen nineties around political compromise. Bill called the group bill because it was a big compromise among people who have very different values so you. The court helps to convert the issue into rand political issue. And it's a much much less controversial issue there than it was in germany in the nineteen seventies in fact it was more controversial in germany in the nineteen seventies and it wasn't a us at the time and now it's way more controversial here and row. Among other things rejects the idea that fetal life has constitutional value. It does so in order to say that the rights of women have to take precedence there but the point is maybe don't necessarily need to choose and that maybe if you do choose you can have unforeseen consequences because what happens after row ended. There's a lot to this story. And it's been told many times but many people but but one consequence of row is a a split of the antiabortion movement and a radicalization of that movement. That hollows out the political middle. And it's in some ways imperfect alignment with the the way in which the choice is described in the case. Which is either. You're with. The life of the fetus. With the choices of women. And i think most americans are understand that there are complicated questions that have to show some respect to both of those things but the court makes you lineup on one side or the other and then our politics up mirror that again in complicated ways but the point of the chapter is really to show look there are other ways of thinking about even extremely controversial issues and there are other places that have shown a way of doing it. Now that doesn't mean it's going to work here as -sarily especially on that particular issue right but it is almost eerie. How the past cross following court decisions and to court decisions in fact that take very different approaches to this issue. Yeah and i think one of the things that you explore in the masterpiece cake shop context in so many contexts is what it signals to apology. When you have a winner takes all framing and you're telling one set of litigations you don't matter your race you know you're just you have zero rights go home And all the ways in which no political entity should be doing that least of all the courts that are supposed to be doing this other thing called justice. I do your whole bunking on oliver wendell holmes so great but i think we're not going to get to it today but trust me. Listener key bunks on over window homes. But i think The thing i do want to end with because it's the thing that worries me. Is that if we agree. And i think we agree that the conversation right now in the united states is we have judicial supremacy. It's out of control. We need to pack the courts. We need to expand the courts. We need to strip jurisdiction. Those are all artificial ways of constraining. This rights explosion right this strong rights explosion. You're saying no. We actually need judges to engage in a completely different enterprise. The enterprise isn't poring over dictionaries. And fighting over interpretive skills and looking at history books it is mediating disputes and realizing that people actually have common interests more often than not. I guess my question for you is dear. God just can't even do the technical thing of looking at dictionaries jamal. They can barely do the thing. they've tasked themselves with. Which is this quasi iraqi interpretive function. and now you're asking them to be like old testament judges who are fair. And just and i just i worry that whatever the constraint is even if it's artificial right even if it's just that the empty talk of minimalism and humility at least it's a constraint and i wonder if what your answer is to do we really want to have a a layer of jurists who just do right. It seems awfully open ended and scary to me. i. I don't know if i would quite describe what i'm urging as just right. Although i think they should always be aiming to do to do right. I'm reminded of my favorite quote from ronald dworkin who i disagree with on a lot of things but who said in response to someone who said why do all of your constitutional interpretations have happy endings. And he and he said well. The only alternative have sat in things right. So of course we're going to go for happy wants so. I think you should always try to try to do right What i'm what. I urge is an attention to fax and in a case like masterpiece cake shop. You know i wanna know. What are the alternatives available. I wanna know what is the landscape. Actually look like here. I wanna know it'll tell me something about exactly what this baker is actually saying about this circle is he saying he doesn't serve gay customers because because that's a pretty serious thing to say. Who would he bake a cake for. Try to gauge. What his claim is so. Let me can see if we can figure out a way of resolving this dispute that respects what we assume. Are we presume to be religious interests and also the equality interests of the couple right so it's not a sort of stahl manek just sort of do what's just i mean. I believe in the rule of law. I believe in the constitution. I think the constitution has has something to say about these conflicts. But what it has to say about. These conflicts are grounded in their particular facts. Now the other thing i'll say is you know i'm not a i'm not a utopian right so i'm not suggesting that if judges do what i say they'll do. We can all sort of hold hands and dance in a circle. Judges are going to do this poorly. Just they do the things they do now poorly at least the things that will be arguing about. Are the things that matter. We can argue about whether the facts are as as the judge claims they are because our rights. Our rights conflicts are our political conflicts. Now there are. There are ways in which judges complainer role in setting the boundaries of those politics. But the idea that you're going to convert it from political conflict into a conflict about dictionaries takes away from the rest of us the capacity to argue about those things in the language of justice which is language in which we talk about rights. And we start to think that know what our rights case is really about. Is the dictionary and the only ones who can do that. Are these oracles. And we're gonna give give them the task of doing it. And i think that that is not healthy that were supposed to work out our rights through politics and so i'm trying to help judges to get us back to that space and then take take a step to the side after that and are you sufficiently utopian to think that americans having fallen in love with this exceptional est notion of liberty by way of strong rights could ever work their way back to this. Even if we could get the judges onside. Jamal would americans ever ever let go of the rightist. View of what justice is or which affect far down that path. Well i think it'll be hard. I'm trying sort of one podcast at a time to to get through to people. I will say that. Most people i talk to about this agree with me once i once you know once we get into it they may not agree with me from the beginning but so so i'll just try to persuade people one person at a time and then we'll see where we were. We land you know anytime you write a book. Your aspirations can only go so far. But i think that i'm saying something totally reasonable. And as also as an academic you judge your your legacy a hundred years from now rather than a few months from now so so come back to me in twenty one twenty one and we'll see where we are one podcast at a time. It's the new federalist papers jamal. Greens amazing really really worthwhile. New book held rights went wrong. Why our obsession with rates is tearing america part demolished white professor of law at columbia law school graduate of harvard college yale law school and a former clerk to john. Paul stevens jamal. It's a pleasure and this was actually a really good curative for some of my grumpiness of the last year. So thank you for your utopianism Blended with one podcast at time. Nece thanks for being here. Thank you so much pleasure. And that is a wrap for this episode of amicus. Thank you so much as always for listening in. Thank you so much for your letters. Your questions or comments you can always keep in touch at amicus sleet dot com or you can find us at facebook dot com slash. Amicus putt casts. Today's show was produced by sarah birmingham. We had research help this week from daniel. Maalouf gabriel roth is editorial director. Alicia montgomery is executive producer in june. Thomas is senior managing producer of sleep. Podcasts we'll be back with another episode of amicus in two short weeks.

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But the elections have continued to happen in the intervening day is some of this just in a slightly narrative altering way, it looks like Democrats won a bunch of California house races will win when all the mail in ballots counted that it had initially seemed like they had lost the election day votes. So just you know, the democratic win got bigger part of that was that they had a big extra vote in Arizona that the president had some some spicy allegations about. But also in Florida where I would say Democrats had some of their biggest disappointments and in Georgia as well. We looked to be heading to. Recounts, which is mostly just reminder that America's elections are a bit of a I don't know. It's it's Messier than you would like to think. Right. I mean, we look back on them. And you know, I'll just look up like it's like, well, what happened nine ninety election. Well, Democrats gained seven house seats. But when you look at it on the ground is incredibly messy, and it is getting Messier for two reasons. Right. Both like states are diverging more. I think in their vote by mail practices. Right. The situation in California is that you can mail vote on election day, and it still valid. So that means California like literally, it's not like, oh, it takes a long time to count the votes like the votes are not in on election days. So this thing where pundits kinda start weighing in on Wednesday. But then four five six seven days later, more and more democratic ballots, trickle in California is like something we in the media are going to. To learn to deal with. But we also have Donald Trump really what to say. I mean, he's was flinging around these totally baseless allegations of fraud in Arizona that I guess wound up not being crisis because the Zona Republican elected officials involved like didn't embrace them. But one of the weirdest stories of my lifetime was like there was this story in and I think it was the post which said the NRA C and the White House were frustrated with Martha mcsally because she wasn't alleging that she was the victim of voting fraud. But like she just wasn't right. I mean, you know, this is not just a Martha mcsally thing. The secretary of state actually, literally put up a blog post like why does it take so long to count the vote scenario? And like there does seem to be a divergence between the Arizona Republican party and the Florida Republican party in terms of how they're responding to these allegations. Nations, and it may have something to do with the fact that in Florida both Republican statewide candidates have consistently been ahead. Whereas in Arizona, the trend toward cinema was kind of you could see the writing on the wall, even a couple of days after the election. So maybe they were you know, they understood that there really is a big difference between alleging improper actions in election where you're behind and alleging election where you're still ahead. Also difference of what you want to see the explanation to like, it is very easy to see the Zona Republicans going down this path alleging voter fraud. Like there were like you're saying there was pressured to allege voter fried. And I think it has a lot to do with the individual actors also so in Arizona, the governor Doug Ducey was reelected very heavily. So it was never a question about that. Right. Which gave him, of course, some perspective on the. To say, they're like this election was great. I'm just maybe awesome early. Let's other Arizona Republicans kind of look at that. And go, we're okay. As a party. This is just a candidate affects thing, we can let this one slide. And there's the second Senate seat that's going to become open soon. And that the patient is that MC Sally will be the nominee for the other Senate seat now that she has lost. So do si do not want to call into question, the integrity of the election that he had just supervised and that he won in a landslide. And also MC Sally wants him to appoint her to the other Senate seat. So it's kinda all co-pathetic there. Whereas in Florida, Rick Scott is the governor. So he's in charge of the state. But also, he's the candidate in the contested Senate election and also the incoming governor most likely incoming governor ran to Santa's is also subject to this week hound. And the other thing is just the the Florida Republicans are on this like incredible win streak where they've maintained the governor's mansion and all the other statewide offices since I think the mid nineties, but like none of them have ever won commanding victories. Like, Scott elected governor twice by about two point margins. And is now most likely going to win it Senate election by even less than that. And it's like, they are I don't know. What would you wanna call it? But I mean, it's like leaving anything to chance in the Republican party. Yeah. I mean, I think that it's possible to imagine a world where Doug Ducey is not quite as logical in. Oh, what are the downstream consequences of my echoing the rhetoric of the? See there are lots of logically inconsistent things that have been said by members of the Republican party in the last week in attempts to cast some aspersions on these election results. So I do think that while that account of things make sense. It does indicate that Ducey or other actors in. There is Republican party have already made the decision that they are not necessarily going to just do what figures in the national party want them to do on election stuff. But I think that you want I do want to kind of get back to the actual policy of how states count ballots, and how this is creating the narrative, I think it's worth pointing out that this is coming from the president again, right? Donald Trump went to bed on Tuesday night, convince that Republicans even if they lost the house we're gonna win the Senate and that he was going to declare that victory. He did a big press conference on Wednesday saying that that was the victory, basically, you know, mocking house incumbents with lost for not being cool enough. And patting himself on the back specifically for chasing Jeff flake out of the Senate. And of course, flake seat is now what's being taken by democrat cinemas opposed to Republican Vic Sally so having kind of really bought in on that. It is not surprising that faced with the prospect of not only losing the thought he had one in Arizona. But a recount in Florida that Trump is now saying that there is something illegitimate about continuing to count votes after election night, and that's kind of the heart of his critique right that like feel lection night. Call is sacrosanct which is very consistent with the president who gets all of his information from television, like it, syncs, perfectly with everything that we in the media have been saying over the last week about g it turns out that trying to do these live results and calling races soon as one can can be a little bit distorting and can give people a skewed sense of both house certainly are of the results and who's up and who's down but eight create. This like weird dynamic in which people who are engaged in the ongoing work of counting votes. And in trying to set the parameters of which votes are going to be counted. And how carefully are now getting sucked into this not only ignorant of detail, but actively allergic to detail assessment that you're supposed to stop counting at midnight on election day. No one is really thought about the consequences of that. But that hasn't stopped Florida Republicans like Matt gets from totally going all in on image images. Like a course as the reaction from Trump. This is the president who thinks there were three million ballots that we're like somehow fraudulently cast in the in his own election and his continued to talk about the, you know, high rates voter fraud in the twenty sixteen elections. So it feels only natural that this is the explanation. You know, when you have this kind of schism between Wednesday when we're taping our special and Trump is giving his press conference, and it looks like. Republicans of picked up these number of seats in the Senate. And then it seems like that might not be the case. It's like, of course, that is the explanation that he falls back to and I think on the one hand, obviously like for Republicans like there is a there's a strong desire to avoid a recount like they would prefer just to say, okay. This is settled like we've won the governor student, Florida. We've won the Senate. I think recounts usually don't end up changing the outcome. However, there are I think three I think since the nineteen nineties the Washington governor about a decade ago. Alfred Al Franken, and then there's a third one mine. Yes forgetting so usually you do end up with the same outcome. You had all already going into it. But it just seems so fitting, and how President Trump seems to think about our electoral system, and like and to be clear there is her mom. Lopez wrote a great piece about this that you should read. There is such little evidence of fraud going on there's such little evidence that it seems like you can kind of parse this out into two things. One is like people actively trying to game the system and like trying to vote twice vote in states. They don't live in and it was just incompetence to. And it seems like there's a decent amount of incompetence going on in the administration of the Florida election that there are people who are not doing the things they're supposed to be doing and that is bad and problematic for democracy, but it's quite a different category. That we're looking at then people actively trying to have a corrupt election. Yes. Although I mean, look. Florida has had problems with elections for a while. Like, I think we were discussing this. If not during the podcast and before or after on Friday, Jane, and I were reminiscing about our experiences having to color in the maps on election day in two thousand and like how badly screwed up the lower right hand corner. I heard our politics editor explaining the Florida the two thousand four to recount to our politics intern. Who was three at the time. Oh my goodness. Right. So the point is ever since our politics. Intern has been was three years old Florida's been having issues, and these particular counties in Florida have been having issues and so without kind of getting into the weasel toy totally to get into the Broward County ballot. There is a good question to be raised about whose fault is it that Florida hasn't said, look, we clearly both have a state that is really important in midterm and presidential elections that is very divided between Republicans and Democrats. It's gonna have a lot of close races. And have a not great track record of being able to produce quick and reliable results. We should take very seriously the prospect of trying to circulate best practices among county officials on ballot design on how provisional ballots counted on. Where you store your ballots. Make sure that when we have a hurricane and the governor has to sign an ex, you know, an emergency order that makes it easier for people to vote by mail during the hurricane that. We don't have some counties telling people that they can also Email their votes, which is flatly illegal in which at least one county in Florida did like there are ways you can see this going better. And the fact that it hasn't does raise some questions about is this a problem of partisan politics, where the state government clearly does not trust democratic counties like Broward to effectively implement elections. Is there an effort to make it seem like messy vote counting as the product of fraud? And thus make it easier to cast aspersions on the election results. Or is it simply a matter of this is a hard problem. Politicians don't super love solvent. I just wanna I want to close the book on the zone in California issues. They're gonna take a break and go back into Florida because one thing that does. Happen. Here's this sort of distinct questions in play and one of them is Darah said was like Trump just trying to make it seem presumptively illegitimate to be like finding quote unquote, finding all these votes late. And like the reason for that. Simply the secretary of state lays this out well, clear in California's just states that allow generous vote by mail access. Just you get a lot of ballots like this. No question there about what's happening. It's nothing to do with recounts. It's not like a high extra votes is just like as you know, if you put something in the mail it does not arrive at its destination instantaneously, and that's how the system works fundamentally America has set up a situation where states and even to a certain extent counties get to individually try to solve the problem of well election day isn't a national holiday voting isn't required. A lot of employers. Don't let people off to vote. 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Try ZipRecruiter for free by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash weeds that ZipRecruiter dot com slash weeds. Once again, ZipRecruiter dot com slash weeds. So in Florida. There was a question of late counting votes. Right. That was a real thing that came up, but the issue in Florida, which is fairly different from Arizona is not that Gillman Nelson found a late bonanza votes, put them over the top is that they found a late bonanza votes that put them within the recount margin. So this is what we're talking about. And I think it's important for Democrats to be clear as reality check that like. Recount could reverse the results of these elections. But it probably won't like we have a fair amount of experience with recounts, they do sometimes overturn the initial results of elections. That's why you do them when the election is close, but like probably not, and in particular, there's this issue, which is a big deal and democrat think about but that probably won't help them, which is that in Broward County, specifically, which is a very big county that a lot of people event, it's also very heavily democratic this is sort of one of the democratic base counties in Florida. There are a ton of under votes where the candidates simply did not vote in the Senate election. Now, what knows that vote are yet. Sorry, where where there is no vote in the Senate election. Even though there are votes for the other races. Right. Would Bill Nelson camp is hoping is that winning recount is conducted. It will turn out that this was some kind. Scanning error, right for whatever reason. The machines did not register the Senate votes because it seems likely that these people in a heavily democratic county who voted on the down ballot races that they want to Bill Nelson to be the Senator right? Just like our best guess as human beings is that that is their intention. Now, what Nelson is hoping is that when you check the ballots, you will find clear indications that they were trying to vote for Ben Nelson that the machines didn't pick up a villain Bill Nelson. A very realistic possibility though is that he's going to be out of luck. Here that what happened is is that Broward County chose to design the ballot such that the Senate race was on the second page below some voting instructions because they put stuff on the first page, and then they put instructions at the bottom, and then there's a second page with more races. Right. And it's possible that the recount will show these people voted, but it's. Very possible. I would say more likely than not that a lot of people saw the page. Saw the instructions vote in the stuff ahead of it. And just ignored the west. And this would be a case of county officials in county government, that's controlled by Democrats just screwing themselves, which would be painful to to Nelson, painful, Democrats nationally, and especially painful because xactly what happened in two thousand in Palm Beach count. It drives me a little bit crazy with like national policy hanging in the balance that this is something we still deal with on a very local level that you have each county designing ballots making these decisions. So, you know, whether you out one county over from our that you're gonna see a different ballot. And you know, you might not have the Senate race on the second page, it this is an area where you know, you could see. So much like research going into like the best way to design it to ensure that it's like, you would you use your testing like Etta county government level, you probably don't have the resources to like test out of balance. So I do not know a lot about the history of election administration, the US, but it seems a little bit wild that, you know, we leave this as a county and even like things like precinct size, for example, are very much like left up to the local level. And then if you look at the research on that like that could have a huge effect on outcomes your voting in a bigger precinct. That's going to change things. It's kind of striking that we leave all of this to the smallest possible units of government who have the least resources to figure out like, okay? Like, how can we do the best job at the end? We clear me while this Florida election is a big deal. People often forget this because you can't litigate poor design. Right. So when wound up happening in two thousand was a lot of litigation about hanging chads and various things like that. But what's very clear is. That Palm Beach county in that election designed their presidential ballot. An odd way they made it a little bit visually unclear which box was out gore in which box was Pat Buchanan and pep Buchanan. Got really unusually large vote in Palm Beach county, which doesn't seem like Buchanan country. Right. So it's not a legal question right in terms of the legal legitimacy of Bush's presidency. But I think it's very clear that not only Bush lose the popular vote, but that had the ballot been designed better would lost Florida. This whole question of the recount would be mood, and like very literally the whole history of the world for the past twenty years would look radically different right? Like, the consequences of the Senate razor large like the consequences of presidential elections are very very large. And it's done by local officials, theoretically the incentives are aligned correctly. Right because like. The reason these are so consequentialist these these large democratic counties with the democratic officials doing a bad job. So it's sort of like a certain like own the lib standpoint, it's like, well, you know, sucks for you. But to another extent like it sucks off to live in a country. Like, this is why we're swinging elections. Yeah. I mean, I think that because the incentives are aligned it's actually possible to imagine that this has not gone as badly as it. Could slap is still get worse. Right, right. It's. Relatively comforting to think about the fact that we're talking about eyars made by the county administration dominated by party. That is also the party that's being screwed over and. Rather than a crime rate. Well, but but like you said like you can't let ballot design. It's absolutely in the same way that fights over apportionment and state voting policies have become a proxy for. How do we maximize our electorate and minimize the other guys like states where you have differential treatment for gun ownership licenses and student ID's is forms of voter ID. Because the first group tends to be Republican the second tends to be democratic like in a total electoral dystopia, you have a world where ballot design is being legislated in a way that tries to favor one party or the other the good news about that is that if it's going to get legislated probably gonna get legislated in a uniform way, which is going to be equally difficult in Republican and democratic counties. The bad news is Florida is not the only state in the union where the large urban democratic counties are the ones that take the longest to get in. And so there. Really if you wanted to be evil election lodging. Yes. And try to figure out what our fee -cially neutral. But substantively partial things I could do to change the way that elections are counted requiring votes to have kind of stop date. It is close as possible to election day on counting seems like a thing that one could do that would have that effect. And so I guess my question is is that we're we're going like is the rhetoric from Trump and others going to lead to push his in state legislatures to require votes. Stop getting counted. After a particular time because that's going to screw over the large democrat seems a little extreme to me. But one thing that you do see which is already playing into this is that part of the narrative that got locked in election day had to do specifically with Democrats losing one particular house race in Kentucky and the democratic incumbent Indiana do. Doing very poorly. And that's because those are the two states pose close very very first, right and not just because they're on the east coast. But because there's some of the most conservative states, right and in general conservative states, adopt restrictive voting hours roles because traditionally Republicans have thought that high turnout is bad for them. Low turnout is good for them some things in the demographics have changed to alter that analysis. But actually, the age polarization of the electorate, I think critic really strong incentive for Republicans to restrict voting hours. Right. Nobody does this. But you could imagine a really strict like like banker's hours like nine nine AM to three PM election, and that would be an election, which basically only retirees VO right? And so Republicans would just win all the time like rich people with flexible schedule, also, which was the even more. Oh, so right. It's just like traditionally the dimension has been around schedule flexibility, which has a partisan skew. But like age just hasn't really sharp partisan skew these days, right? And it's like retired people can voted eleven and then the flip side is like the west coast and AirAsia despite being conservative has some largely west coast political procedures, but they may change that in the future. These like easy vote by mail type stuff is great for working age people. Right. And for for busy people right for thirty something parents and lazy college students and stuff like that. And so Democrats like it, and it's it's I think going to be more and more and more of an issue that like Trump is sharp instincts about politics. I think but like very poor grasp of the details. But this is the kind of thing where you can hand it off to the. Tale people right, which is like hell can we go harder core? And at least in our states. Like, we got this close call in Texas. So like, how can we make sure that we never have to deal with Benno part to right? Like, can we just take away all Spanish language voting instructions? You know, can we make very restrictive hours? Can we end Texas right now has pretty generous in person Epson t voting rules, which you can get rid of this. There's a lot you could do to lock your state down that's consistent with the kind of formal criteria of democracy and pretty strong incentives for Republican runs states. But I think drain do that. It's interesting you're you're actually seeing kind of the opposite and like the ballot measures that passed in like last week. Yeah. David Leonhardt at a nice column in the times where he looked at some of the ballots pass. So we have the Florida one that got a lot of attention which. Restored voting rights to one point four million people with felony convictions. He notes that you know in Maryland, Michigan and Vata measures to simplify voter registration passed. So there is like the space for like the evil election lodge genius that dare mentions. But you're also actually I think it's interesting that you're saying not just that these are passing. But you're seeing people thinking a hot like this is the thing we need to do. And you know, they're in states like Michigan and Nevada which can be a little bit swing a know. Maybe Maryland a little bit less. So, but you're actually, you know, you're seeing kind of the opposite of that in the ballots that passed on Tuesday that seemed to be things, and it seems like Democrats are interested in working on this as well. So it seems like how Democrats one of the first things are going to do is work on voters rights package when they come into control of the house in in January. So even though there is space to kind of like, screw the libs. And like really dive in on this. It seems like there's a lot more work happening on the. Left right now thinking about like, how do we make this issue work to our advantage? I mean, the ideal. I mean, you saw very clearly in Florida, right? Like had this felon Rian French is -ment amendment pass two years ago. Nelson Gillam would both have won their elections Nelson. Definitely I think Ilham probably slightly different margins, and I'm gonna will insure notes Herman lip has analysis of this because it's very easy to kind of -ssume that like that's a quote unquote democratic voting, blah, and the reality is a little more complicated. But because these are such title, and what's important is that the initiative itself was not that close eat needed to clear a sixty percent threshold. Right. So there's a substantial block of people who voted for the reinforced is meant while also voting for to Santa's and Scott, right like their Republican people who are not so partisan that they want to make ballot access rules. That are as tightly circumscribed to what the actual Republican party elected officials want, and you see this with indie gerrymandering initiatives to which when they've been on the ballot tend to pass like quite comfortably with some people. You know, because people are people not like political operatives doing the like full math of no, actually, I want Michigan to be super gerrymandered because I'm a Republican. So, you know, an anti gerrymandering move went went well there and to the extent that you can do everything by ballot initiative, you could have some hope for this. But lots of states don't let you do that. And also states that do let you do everything ballot initiative. I would say I would say in California, this is decidedly mixed bag. Yeah. Yeah. This is. This is definitely if this is going to be a call for the California's Asian of statewide ballot initiatives, I'm going to jump off. But this kind of comes back to what we were saying about the media election night narrative, right because. The gap between the Florida disenfranchisement Rian franchise initiative and Gillam and Nelson's performances was apparent pretty early on. As a matter of fact, you know, it seemed bigger because Gilman Nelson both appeared to be kind of more solidly underperforming, then leader vote counts have them. So that was a puzzle. That pundits had to be figuring out fairly early on election night, and it lent itself, especially because Gillam in particular had been leading in the polls going into election day and was underperforming Nelson. And their early counts coming in it created this idea that Democrats had to explain something about the Florida electorate that they're black gubernatorial candidate was doing poorly, even while people were solidly on board with what should inferior relatively progressive voting. And like, yes, that's true. Right. When all of the votes are counted, if all of the votes counted when all of the votes are recounted if all of the votes are recounted, it will probably still be the case that the. The difference between people voting for felon rain franchise meant and people voting for Andrew gillum was decisive site. It was not as big a block initially appeared to be. And so the kind of conversation happening after the election of what did Democrats do right and do wrong. What did Republicans do right and do wrong one of the strongest arguments, you could mount for the necessity of the recount right now, even though it doesn't look like it's going to change the impact is it's probably a good idea to have as close a forensic analysis as possible for races that are going to be very important for punditry in the next two years as people try to figure out like Democrats underperforming their mandate in eighteen. Okay. I think we'll take another break. And then we may be take a look over to Georgia. Time we're so focused only ship in America. It's really helpful to learn from those who've risen to the Cajun most dangerous points in history. 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And kind of seeing what happens next, and they're doing all sorts of wild innovative kind of wacky things to tackle really big problems. So what's already out if I go over to checkout Simpson? Oh, man. So many things that we have Seattle giving every single person one hundred dollars donate again pains, we have South Carolina doing really innovative stuff to prevent infant mortality. We have Oakland giving undocumented immigrants free, lawyers and court. It's just all sorts of experiments all over the country. Does really exciting. If you're interested. Check out the impact on I tunes wherever find podcasts. So the last election that we're seeing disputes about is happening in Georgia where I would say Stacey Abrams has the faintest hopes out of anybody here. And where I think the real issue that sort of has invested in Georgia is not the possibility that she has a legal avenue to prevail here so much as the sense that the fix was in in advance that her opponent, Brian Kemp was the secretary of state a very only in America, kind of thing is that a partisan elected official in most states is also in charge of administering elections even elections that he is a candidate in and he moved really aggressively on removing supposedly inactive voters from the voter rolls on being credibly stringent with people's name matching. So like if I was Matthew yglesias one time and just math. Another time or Matthew Georgie glaciation that might be thrown out because it's not a real match a bunch of things that looked designed to disproportionately create hurdles for by voters. And then also George it had extremely long voting lines in some key black precincts in Atlanta. And this is like a real America voting saga, right? That like for a variety of reasons about size of precincts. And the funding that's available and he'd been destruction of voting. What's typical in America? Is that you live in the suburbs? And most of your neighbors are white and you drive for your polling place and the line is really short. But being American cities where most people not white, and where the voters are Democrats, including most of the white people in the big cities are also. Oh, Democrats have very long voting lines. And that's a big big big disincentive. There was a good A P story and just other reporting of, you know, people who had tried to bring their kids devote and had to give up or people who had to go back to work, and blah, blah, blah. And you know, again, that's not a litigable issue. You're not gonna win a recount by saying look, the state government screwed us out of our electorate. But like that very well may be the real truth about these things. And I have I've seen countries where it works very differently and west coast states, right? Like, there's no long lines vote in Portland because by vote by mail, right? I think that the. Extent to which Brian Kemp as secretary of state was pulling as many levers as possible really does. Like, I have not seen any accounts of things that hypothetical Brian. Kemp could have done in this election as secretary of state that he did not do right? Like, this is everything from right before election day putting out that there was an a hacking investigation into the state Democratic Party that soon it became clear was the result of them. Trying to flag an election vulnerability on the state's website. Which was of course, the responsibility of secretary of state Brian Kemp to safeguard that. He refused federal dollars safeguard. It's it's not a great look for electoral legitimacy, generally. And while I don't have like an obvious answer to how you stop this. It's worth noting that Brian Kemp officially stepped down as overseer of this particular election after the election several days. After the election. That he could have done, and he did it, but only after the election and only affective days later, and while there was some information that he had a secretary of state about absentee votes that had not been turned over to the rest of the state government. Like, it's also worth noting that of course temps opponent. Stacey Abrams is not only would be if she won this election, which at this point looks pretty unlikely the first black female governor period, but her kind of coal to prominence rise to prominence in politics was that she was doing his broadbased voter registration voter engagement efforts that like she has been the face of not just in Georgia, but around the country this theory of how to get democratic victories. That is look for generation black people have been fear radically allowed the vote, but in practice haven't had access to it. We can do what we can within government to expand that infringement and can do it. We can't outside of. Government to like make server knocking on every door. Make sure that people who aren't used to voting are being kind of dragged not dragged but are being given encourage right, right? Like like hand-held and pulled into that process enthusiastically. So they're high symbolic steaks here. But it also is a symbol of the limits of that theory of governance because if you're currently the house minority leader in the state legislature. You can't actually make sure that the secretary of state is doing things differently. And it does indicate that there's something of a vicious cycle in place that if we had, you know, a federal government that was engaged in robust federal oversight of states in the former confederacy on voting not that we had a law that would have done that or anything that you could see a federal intervention here. But absent that Georgia is the closest we come to the electoral dystopia of what happens when you consistently have evidence that the desire. Of the citizenry are out of line with what the final vote tally shows because of active intervention in the process, right? I think in that way. Like so different from what we're talking about in Florida like in Florida, we're talking about some large democratic counties who can't seem to get their act together. Whereas I think you're right there that this really shows like the limits of the strip, and like, of course, there are limits to this strategy of getting people energized an active to vote when you have someone who is running for office against the person trying to activate those voters like it is just striking to me that it just crazy that he's steps down a few days after September administering election a few days after the day of the election that it shows how a lot of this. I think, you know, people get really jazzed about a a lot of different political issues like Medicare for all or climate change to some extent. But election administration is like boring stuff, but it really like. The structure matters a lot for what you're going to be able to cheat. Just like we've talked about like the supreme court and the role that's going to play what sort of policies can move forward the election administration, and how you decide to structure like what is a partisan office. And what isn't and like how do we design our ballots like what rules? Do we have around male matters so much for the other types of policies that are going to go forward at the state or at the national level? I mean, I was glad to see that how stem across want to. I mean, these are really all message bills. But that like they want move some kind of voting rights ballot access package early. Because I think looking at what's happened over the past two years that people who want to run in twenty twenty and govern in twenty twenty one on a like, healthcare and education gender. I mean, I sympathize, but like, I think. Really need to front load. If you have the chance some structural performs that really try to guarantee of meaningful accountable government that I think that there was a lot of what Obama promised in his two thousand eight campaign was to like make a government that works for you, and because of the financial crisis, and then the internal pressure to move on healthcare, they wound up sidelining like almost everything in the government reform agenda, and I don't think that that serve Democrats long-term interest. Really, well, ultimately, the interests of those causes, you know, it's like because I think I think it's easy to hear this discussion until like imagine will if Florida reinforced its felons and Georgia had fair elections like Democrats win all these races. But they wouldn't write the truth is is that if Florida went from being a state in which. Rick Scott is narrowly winning elections to in which his narrowly losing Rick Scott would probably just be a little bit more moderate. You know what I mean? It's like you wouldn't like just send yourself into oblivion like we've seen that. 'cause this. Well, segue into our Medicaid. Yeah. It was going to say Republican governors in the midwest were much more open to Medicaid expansion, and we're public governors in the south, and that's just because the Republican governors in the midwest knew that there are let go position was more precarious, and they're not like a high the electorate here isn't as right wing as the electorate in Alabama. So I'm going just lose the election. It was like no I'm going to try to reflect what the electorate once that like conservativism as a social and philosophical phenomenon is like very strong it exists throughout space and time in all countries. And like, it's really robust. There's not going to be a set of electoral reforms that make they're not be a constituency for conservative politics. But. People with conservative opinions might also want health insurance, and you might have to give it to them. If everybody gets to vote. Oh, this is totally not the I thought you were making. I thought you were making the segue that doesn't have to be a choice between policies to broaden meal and policy. Through the paper messed up the break. It's fine. Everything's great. Okay. So this is another one of these papers from the Oregon Health insurance experiment that I'm sure we are familiar with from rockstar comments. Kate Baker who's now at university of Chicago and Amy Finkelstein at MIT, and the thing that they look the papers titled the impact of Medicaid expansion on voter participation evidence from the Oregon Health insurance experiment, and what they essentially find is that when more people sign up for Medicaid it increases voter turnout. So they find that in Oregon, Medicaid increased voter turnout in the two thousand eight presidential election by seven percent overall with affects concentrated in men and residents of democratic counties. So what are you for those of you unfamiliar with the Oregon Health insurance experiment? This is a experimentally. There was a lottery to get health insurance in Oregon, it creates this really nice natural experiment where you can study. The people who won lottery, Medicaid, and the people who did not get lottery, Medicaid, and this is the first paper they've done, although there is kind of separate research from the ObamaCare, Medicaid expansion that also suggests the same thing directionally when Medicaid expands you get, you know, higher participation in voting among those those folks gaining coverage. The key thing that you know, these, and I will say one of the things they do know is that they do see an effect into the two thousand eight election. They do not see that continue into the twenty ten midterms. And that's as far as the study goes. So it doesn't go up through the twenty twelve presidential. The key question. You know, these researchers have and I think it's kind of relevant our discussion we've been having is what is it that is driving people to vote after they get Medicaid are those people more likely to get registered to vote in that that is what's going on. Are they feeling like they're in better health? So it's easier for them to get to the polls. Do they all of a sudden feel protective of this healthcare program that they've gained? And they want to go to the polls to protect the politicians who support it. So we're definitely starting to see in a growing body of research that there is this connection between Medicaid expansion and voting we don't really know what the causal mechanism is that's going on there. But it seems like a way if you want to increase voter for Asian Medicaid expansions seems to be surprisingly good policy to get you there. It's not just I think that we don't have the causal mechanism lockdown yet. It's like this is we're on Steph one of three part process, right? Like step one is the what happened to the white as it happened and step three is is the ease. What is happening in line with the things people think they're doing right like if you have a finding where Medicaid increases participation in twenty eight in the presidential election and not in twenty ten in the midterm election that was largely about healthcare and specifically about efforts to repeal a law that head facilitated Medicaid expansion in several states that were not Oregon. It's not great. If. If people are more likely to vote in twenty eight because they feel protective of this program. And then don't show up in two thousand ten when the program is under threat. Like, that's totally plausible. It's not like we've never done white papers on the weeds indicate that people are not great at following through the policy consequences of their first principles. But it does kind of raise the question of or the benefits of having somebody more likely to vote because they have Medicaid going to be felt in areas of other policy rather than being felt in protecting the particular entitlement. They now have I so I find that explanation. Probably the least compelling that people are voting to protect benefit program because I think one of the things you see I constantly my reporting is that a lot of people who have Medicaid aren't always fully aware that it's Medicaid. It's administered by Blue Cross they get an insurance card. It doesn't say Medicaid. So I would be skeptical of the explanation that people all of a sudden are voting to defend this program. I think the one I find most compelling now. Although I'm just waiting for more research in this space is that people are kind of. More in the two of them one. Is that people are just in a better life situation that we see, you know, in the Oregon experiment that they're dealing with credit card debt that they feel less stress that they kind of are able to take on other things because their life is just a little bit easier to live. I think the other explanation. That's compelling to me. You know, he's talking about this with Emma Sando, who's a friend of the podcast grad student at Harvard who studies, Medicaid, and she really thinks there's also something about voter registration going on. And they do show an increase in voters registration this paper. But it's typically significant, but that people are just kind of coming more in touch with official programs, and that if you have this increase in registration, you know, after people are getting enrolled in Medicaid that might be what's driving what's going on. Right. The only thing I wanted to say is that because we have been talking so much about state by state election ministration practices differ that like Oregon is one of the best practices like wants people to participate state. It's so Oregon is the kind of state where you might expect sort of Solent initiatives like Medicaid to to do a lot to increase in Gaijin because Oregon deliberately makes it easy to participate. If you start to get the inclination to participate, right? So whether it's oh I care about this program because I get it now. So I should do something. Or just like, oh now, I know where the government office is. So I can do this. Right. It's like in Oregon that's downhill slow, right? Versus state that is going to give you a hard time of middle initial or tell you you have to stand on line for four hours to to go vote. And that is why I think this is important is important research is important. No. But it is why they think that the structural stuff on registration is important and important to take seriously that it would be I think a mistake to look at things like this and say like. Well, everything will just take care of itself, if we work on healthcare because to an extent you can see right. It's like Texas has been traditionally much less restrictive than a lot of other southern states. But Texas has had the lowest voter participation of any American state forever. And in two thousand eighteen was not the lowest right? And so if you see that right? If you start to see Texas, Latinos and Texas urban liberals start to believe that Texas elections are contestable, and winnable and routinely showing up then the heavily gerrymandered, Texas State legislature has a really strong incentive that I believe they will exercise to start making it look more like Georgia in terms of voting, and you can't like Medicaid expansion your way around that kind of problem like Oregon hasn't had a Republican governor since the early eighties. So they have they have no Bill. To like, stop this kind of thing from Oregon. I one thing that concerns me a little bit about this body of research is that if it creates a disincentive to expand, Medicaid, so one of things in the Oregon study is that the increase in turnout is higher democratic leaning counties. So I worry as we see, you know, a growing body of research. There's other researchers to other studies that have been of twenty four teen, Medicaid, expansion states and also finds similar effects in places that are less friendly to elections. Oregon state Ron just Santa's command you should expand. Medicaid Florida's leaving a ton of money on the table right history. No. 'cause when the margin is so close, right? Like, you think oh, maybe expanding Medicaid, like, maybe that's the thing that like we've already done, you know, this voting perform for felons who are who are now going to be allowed to vote that I could lose my governorship device span Medicaid. So it can cut both ways, especially when you look at the map of where is left to expand Medicaid. It's you know, the places where the type of voters this is going to mobilize or not the voters who are voting for the people who are currently in office. I don't know if I'm Rhonda Santa's policy grew I point to what Matt was just saying earlier and say look we have enough structural friction built into voting registration in Florida people who get kind of into the system because they enroll in expanded Medicaid aren't going to vote as easily as they did in Oregon. You're going to get the political benefit of expanding Medicaid among people who are already voting without expanding the electorate attorney. Go ahead and do that. But I am not in fact around. I do I think that the point Matt was making about what state legislatures are going to do on voting is super important, especially because I don't need to remind anybody on the weeds, but the twenty twenty election in addition to being the presidential election is also the election that in a lot of states is going to determine what their state legislatures look like in twenty twenty one when the new census results, come in and states, Stu around of redistricting. So what states do to expand or construct the franchise in the two years before the twenty twenty election is super important, especially because in states like Texas, where we're nearing the end of this sense of cycle. The demographics have of the state have changed in a way beyond what they were able to control through gerrymandering in twenty eleven so Democrats have a stronger chance now than they are likely to if they don't win the state legislature, which they probably won't twenty twenty one. So if you want to be looking at a particular level of government while how stems are doing. Messaging bills looking at state governments. And what they're doing. Does seem like a very good answer. I think that Matt's right about Texas. You should be looking at that on the other hand New York, which does finally have democratic majority state Senate, which it didn't have before for complicated. New York reasons is a pretty good example of state that has left enfranchisement stuff on the table. And where the state government does appear to be interested in doing some stuff to make it slightly less hellacious to cast a ballot there, and you look is also good question of like, Democrats and priorities. Like part of what's gone on in New York. Is that you know. Easy voting helps Democrats win elections. But easy voting also helps challengers beat incumbents in New York has had the feeling of sort of democratic super confidence. I would say that like New York state Democratic Party leaders have not felt that they need to enfranchise people to beat Republicans. So they felt that they want to make ballot access difficult to hurt. Primary challengers, right? But there's also been this Republican state Senate that sort of not put the question squarely. So you can kind of have it both ways you can say you're four automatic voter registration. But then also not do anything. Right. This important longterm implications here because like all states, like big states, New York and California have Republican House members who go to Washington and California, which is the Dopp did a series of sort of pro democracy pro voting measures. It's really cut. Down the house GOP caucus from California. Right in New York. You could see something similar, right? If New York flips all the way from it's like super bad government policies to west coast style Vallon access, then Republicans who survive out there on Long Island. There's a Democrats won the district on Staten Island. But that one always goes back and forth. They could be permanently shut out from those kind of places if they went to a west coast style system, but the risk would be that you'll have more cosy Cortes beating Joe Crowley type races or to minimum that more incumbents who were much more moderate than their constituents will have to move left to avoid those kind of challengers. So that's a I don't want to say, it's a choice. The elected officials are gonna have to make it. The question is will activists force that kind of decision. I think one of the things that's interesting about House Democrats decided like, okay? This is coming out of the gate with even if like that goes nowhere here in DC. I think like sets a message for the party, and like in a weird like a lot of times like I watched policies kind of trickle up from the state level. You know, they state. This is one where you could see more of like a trickle down where you know, we do have Democrats in control of more legislatures than they were before the election where you could see the Democrats kind of setting their gender. Like, okay. Like, this is the thing we care about. It's the first thing we're rolling out when we gain control of the house, we can't do much, but like you guys in state houses like you can pick this up Jerry Nadler going to chair the judiciary committee if he is supposed to be taking the lead on a new Voting Rights Act. He's from New York that makes it that much harder for the state party in a state where they actually have control to totally blow these questions off or maybe having talked Rhonda Santa's out of Medicaid expansion. We've now talked the New York state Senate out of election or for. Alexia reforms. It's great and expand Medicaid, pretty good too. I wanted to say a whole thing about Germany, but I feel like it cell too late for that now. Well, maybe you could post it on the weeds Facebook, or that's going gonna be awesome. Okay. Yes. We'll wrap up go to the weeds group. I will put a note in there about Germany because it's not super relevant to America. 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The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Daniel McCarthy About GOP Abandoning McSally, Kelly's China Ties

The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis

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The Morning Ritual with Garret Lewis-Garret Talks To Daniel McCarthy About GOP Abandoning McSally, Kelly's China Ties

"The those comfortable call. A. Excellence. was going on. Garin Lewis with you here. Kfi Am seven hundred two. Most stimulating talk at ease your. Morning ritual. Three things I think you need to know brought to you by strong bill, plumbing, air and solar number, one Pima County got rid of a couple of insane rules yesterday, the supervisors meeting for restaurants. The You must all accept reservations or no walk. INS, so you can control social distancing gone. Couple others but. Everything was not wiped out. Steve Christie said. Wipe out this entire proclamation. They wouldn't do it. They're going to have another meeting. Thursday, two PM, go and crush them. Great restaurant owner showed up and put them in their place. Ramon valid said. This is always a work in progress. No not to business owners. They need certainty genius, so I call him rumour on second thing. That I think you need to know story from mcclatchy, says Republican. Well Republican operatives I say Era Zona Gop people. These are big shots write. Anonymously tell mcclatchy that. makes. Sally is a big drag on trump. That's what's dragging. TRUMP DOWN! She has no energy. She has no way to actually get. People whipped up energy. No volunteers nothing at all. And this is after also playing just a second before. We get a Danny McCarthy. And NBC, reporter saying whenever she puts a Mike in front of Martha, space s about trump. She runs away. Get that one right if you don't mind Ryan. Third thing I think you need to know. And I'm just. Is, this should be big new audio from. Joe Biden talking to the Ukrainian president went up when Biden was the vice president and Ukrainian President says I did what I said I would do. I got Shokhin with even though he didn't do anything wrong I got him to resign and buying basis at good now. You're going to get your billion dollars. Holy smokes this. Even Washington Post now is reporting about it I don't know why other news agencies are ins- three things I think you need to know. Now I want Daniel here this so before we play a little bit about Martha and a lot about China and more Kelly. About time we get into this Martha. Kent, brand this guy it's. It's ridiculous, right? If you don't want to put this video my page, you can T DOT com. Get on facebook as well this morning on Morning Joe face. Casey Hunt reporter NBC News. said it's not just. Martha but Martha like Senators Cory Gardner Susan Collins. These are all never trumpers right. These are all never trumpers. And apparently every time. She. Asks Martha and he's others about trump they run. Listen to this fifty ago, Joe there have been many many times in the last year where I have stuck a microphone in the General Direction of Cory, Gardner or Susan Collins or Martha mcsally in particular, and tried to ask them about president trump, and they usually run as quickly as possible the other direction. And that's why they're losing. And this is not new. This has happened in the past. When did we put this in right? When what was the date on this October September? Hang on 'cause we put it in. November to happen like we were I. Think this is November six I think it was when it actually happened November last year CNN. Listen to this here. We go some of this it. Says CNN try to talk to Republican. Senators is just a simple question. Is it okay for president trump to ask Ukraine to investigate political rivals Senator Martha. mcsally literally went around the capital around park cars everything to avoid cameras. A hurried, said no comment. So then again. Don't blame me for this stuff. Okay, I didn't do anything wrong. and. You want us as she voted with trump one hundred percent of the dime so many bills duty today, she. There's nothing there. That's why she's losing the polls America, but Kenniston eighteen points in Maricopa, county thirteen point Arizona. Let's talk to Danny McCarthy who's taking her onto the primary. Who has the only real shot to actually beat? Mark Kelly in my estimation demand Daniel Dot com Daniel. Quick reaction because I don't spend too much time excitement the quick reaction on what you just heard. Don't blame me you I. Don't want to be blamed for the catastrophe that she her candidacy is either. It's her poll. Numbers are staggering I. Don't know if you saw an for your audience. If you didn't see all numbers I'm not big on polls I won't buy question on Poles, etc, but what I'll tell you is that she's down three to four voters with independence. Independence so her entire strategy is. Let's go after independent. Let's let's avoid trump. Let's let's It's just a crazy strategy in Arizona and her her strategy like you said as an anti trumpers. Just it's not gonNa work here so I think that the biggest thing is is that everyone has to realize the only reason I got into this race primarily initially was because we. We were GONNA lose another Senate seat and we can't afford to lose another Senate seat, so I think with with the most recent poll numbers I think the best thing for us to do is if the thinking shift? We just gotTa jump off and move on I. I thought she'd be gone by now. Gary I mean you and I have talked about this a little. Little Bit, but I really didn't think based on the pressure. They were going to put on her that she would stay around. Hence the letters they were sending every single day at this point. I, know you you've seen those letters that she won't. She won't even debate US I. Mean It's a joke. I know that we joke around about it on your show and. I say to you all the time like hey, give her a caller. shooter a text message. I'm not really joking around though I mean. She legitimately did not win that seat. She legitimately was appointed. This is a special election. There is a Republican primary. I was on the ballot before she was at this point. It's becoming insulted I think it's time like I move on I mean I'm saying this with no disrespect towards her service or anything, it's just we can't lose another Senate seat. We've got to focus on this astronaut. We've gotta get him back in space where he belongs. I. Hear You on that one Danny McCarthy on Canada's T am seven ninety. Let's talk about the astronaut because. Again I'm just saying Martha has this is to me. This is a meatball right down the middle right. This is like a like a batting practice fastball when your opponent story comes out where your opponent. Took investment money to get. worldview started right here in Pima County. He took investment money from Chinese venture capital firm, called tencent, which has been identified as an arm of the Chinese Communist Party, so we have mark, Kelly, who could be the senator who is an actual business partner with the Chinese Communist, Party and she has failed to brand him that way talk about that and the dangers of having a senator who is in bed with with the communist Chinese. Yeah this is actually a really big strength of mind because I understand that China economy I understand the Chinese business environment. I understand how they operate in much more detail than most people do I. Have I can tell you right now. The the danger of of what you just described their relationship. He has with Chinese operatives. is He's so naive and so dangerous to what's really going on, or he is willingly participating in Chinese nationalist Chinese operatives working within his company's framework, so you're talking about in in terms of unique situation. China is so sophisticated in the way in which they're attacking the United States. You're talking about the most complex sophisticated war that the United States has ever been involved with this country by the way that has a one hundred year plan, not a four year plan or ten I'm talking they. They have mapped out at one hundred year plan. These are individuals have focused on the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of the United States and have attacked them sophisticatedly over the course of the last thirty years forty years, and and for someone like mark, Kelly, to even have a chance. To Win The Senate seat tells you how striking this war really is, so to your point, I think what we need to start explaining to people. In terms of the tone that I'm trying to take, this is a very serious problem and again. This is coming from someone that knows China extremely well I know how they function. They are smart they are. They are extremely They are extremely more prepared to fight this were we are and I think it's time now that we recognize that because Americans once we recognize the problem, we ended up winning that war. We can come. Not suggesting they were going to lose this war I'm just saying it's time to start sending very best and brightest to Washington DC so we can. Unwinding this mess with China. Okay I WANNA get a quick break I. WanNa come back with you. Talk about what exactly you would do. What what are your plans would be sanctions. How would you handle China? I mean again. Your Your Business Dealings in China that you've done. Giving you the insight like that, I want to get into that and on top of that also the situation with with dealing with wall way in the five G. Race and the impact, and what it means in your estimation. I want people to know this. What you would you think it is about getting this? Semiconductor plant built right here in Arizona, an impact on China it's all coming up. DEMAND DOT COM is the website we'll continue right here. St Am seven hundred. Most teeth thirteen. Gary. Lewis with you. Here can spam seven hundred Soussan most stimulating talk. Thanks for hanging out with me. We're GONNA continue. With Daniel McCarthy Demand Daniel. Dot Com is the website, so I mean Daniel. Let's thank you for hanging with me Daniel. Let's talk about. Let's talk about more Kelly. Let's talk about. Let's talk about China. and. I WanNa know I mean basically. Let's just go back to work just a second. How dangerous is it? Do you think if a guy like him gets elected because you know the fact that he's in business with them like you said, either willingly or too stupid to realize is being manipulated, or he wants to be manipulated and he's okay with this. I mean how how would that affect trying to put sanctions on? What is our biggest enemy right now? China sympathizers. Are Very dangerous dangerous because they don't have the, let's just say the spine or the fortitude to realize that the the war that we're actually in with China. They leave to it, so they're. They're willing to basically deny about intentions by the China government because of the fact that they're in bed with them, and when you say in bed with them, I think it's important for people to understand what that means. For example. I have a company that we import export inside of China. That's we do widgets right the cosmetics product that's much different than having a business partner. From China that comes in and invest millions and millions of dollars in your organization. That has ties in in in like you said operations with the China government. Trump scored his scored a scorecard on like any other president at least in modern history. Against this type of attack that we're dealing with with Cha, but let's face the fast. We are actually dealing with attacks from China, so it's. It's the faster we realized that as a country and the faster we come to terms with it that although there's not being shots fired doesn't mean that we're not under attack. Obviously I think this virus is just glaring example of that it was a correlated a complex sophisticated attack. provided by China so we are in the midst of a different type of war, and we have to fight that war. That's that's getting two biggest reasons. I'm doing this one of the major reasons. I'm jumping into the jumped into. This race is because I saw the writing on the wall. You deal these people in China and you realize. They are they know our Constitution better than we? Our Constitution in some cases and I'm not exaggerating when I say that I mean these people spend their life studying the vulnerabilities of the United States, and they are here to play game. They are here to be the predominant power in the world, so we have to understand, these are not a lot of these individuals and no offense to. Again I'm not trying to offend anybody, but you know these are individuals that are not necessarily moral people They don't believe the same values that we believe in God. Fearing constitutional conservative. You're never gonNA, bend me to break away from Okay, I I would rather die I. that's not how these people think i. Have to wake up to this attack. Mark Kelly is an extension of that attack in my estimation, and he should be branded, frankly they. As a public threat is a domestic threat to the United States as far as I'm concerned, so it's it used to be a joke when I call Marxist Kelly you know, I'm kind of saying that would tongue in cheek, but I'm not joking around I mean there's there's truth behind that this is a devout Marxist. He's he's devout. To the Marxist theology that is very dangerous is killed hundreds of millions of. Of people around the world, it's time that we are radical. This type of thinking from the United States it has to go. That's why again you propel me past. The primary I'm going to break the Democrat Party here in Arizona there will be no returning to the Democrat, party as normal when we're done with them, because we will poke holes everywhere with what they're pushing propaganda that they're pushing down Americans throats. It's a big problem. Yeah, this is this a serious issue? And here's the thing, okay. Mark Kelly his company was supposed to do space balloon flights. It is now morphed into more defense contracting. They have they have contracts with the Department of Defense. They have contracts with NASA. So all of a sudden changes, ten cent, their investment arm, which the government told him go invest in the only reason they do, it is so they can steal intellectual data so they you know. Mark Kelly has investors from again. Senators Senators have said ten cents as an arm of the Chinese Communist Party right so they are so he is dumb enough to have now. Defense contracts works. He must be working on top secret things you working on things with our Defense Department and China. I mean how do they not have a way to possibly spy and steal our intellectual property and secrets? There! and. You can guarantee that again. You have an individual that will represent you in the United States. Senate, that will be sympathetic towards China's agenda. It's just that simple I this doesn't. It's a fact at this point. There's no reason of denying it this. This race has now turned into the most critical Senate race in the United States there's no doubt about it. We cannot allow that man to win this seat. So what do we do here again? This damn demand Daniel Dot com is the website Danny. McCarthy on campus have seven ninety. Trump is is ma'am. You could tell. His demeanor has changed a lot I'm friends with President. She bubba now he's just saying I'm mad at you. I'm not happy, not happy. It's obvious and now there's word out reports out that they're trying to. The Chinese are trying to hack into our pharmaceutical companies and steel. Steel the information on back seen, so they can get it I. I mean these are very bad people. I guess my question is. We have a guy like Kelly has been around for a long time. His wife was in Congress Martha's been in Congress since two thousand fourteen and she she's been trying since twenty ten basically to get into Congress. Why didn't these people see you know? Trump saw years ago the threat of China. Why didn't these people see it? And when did you realize the threat of China? We've known about the threat of China for I. Mean Frankly since I've been watching politics. If you watch geo political warfare I mean, you can see clearly the writings on the wall. China is trying to insert themselves as the dominant world power, and they are. They're willing to go to links that you've never even witnessed before My dealings with China I can tell you a lot of them have been based on the theory that I wanna know exactly what's going on there? I WANNA see exactly. What I. I know what's going on on the ground at the street level in China. I know how their economy functions know. Other people think we need to do what America does best. We do need to inspire the people of China for Freedom Liberty capitalism it. You need to have a senator that knows how to engage in that warfare win. This war is by creating an uprising with the people of China saying you cannot live under tyranny way that you are. Those people can't worship. They can't worship our creator. They can't do things that we're able to do here. In the United States that are strength, so you need to have a senator represents that a senator that actually knows how to engage in warfare appropriately to win. You've got to create that environment. Why do you think trump is so dangerous to China? He's promoting. He gave his identity back. We WanNa see what the United States potential is in. We WanNA see how big how wealthy United States can go. That's the type of thinking you. Need. I win against China every single day. I sell chinese-made made products into China. That's very rare for United States company to do I beat them every single day, I don't get beat by them so if you want that type of thinking in the United States, Senate, I will know how to beat them. We know how to win this war again. It's just the way it. It is and folks. You can bury your head in the sand and say well it's it can't be that bad. Trust me, it's. It's far worse than what you think. We have a also in this country right now like I said. We're under a right now. You see them trying to groom Americans to wear masks. Groom Americans do this new normal. Do not think do not think that that's coming from within the United States from Patriots. It's not it's coming from outside of our borders. It's a very sophisticated attack So Gary it's becoming more and more serious every single day. Obviously people can do is is we have to? We have to ensure that you send proper representation in Washington DC. You have to send people that are big thinkers that know how to get the job done people that have done. It demonstrated. They can do it I'm not. I've never voted for something you put us in more debt with China Martha. Martha has for example were paying a heavy interest to China based on Martha agreeing to spending that we should not have spent to pay interest to China you see them saying so for her or for Mark Kelly have an argument here against me is. It's it's laughable, so we can. We can represent you very well and I'm excited to do it. I I can tell you I want to join with with President trump and fight this war. I send him reinforcements. That's what you're doing by sending me to Washington DC. The last one you hang on a second, let last one for me. Real quick. is the fact that all these reports are coming. We see it every week. we're were their professors. university employees getting arrested You know one just happened this week. We had a guy working at Raytheon back in January got arrested because he took data with him. to China. And when he came back, the FBI arrested him. We ever. It seems like every week on campus. There are people getting arrested because they are caught spying for China. I mean what would you do as a senator? I personally I don't know why we allow universities and colleges to hire these people from a country that has r sworn enemy I don't think they'd hire Americans to go work at Chinese University. If you're a senator, what would you do? Would you ban that from happening? Would you try to get? Some kind of legislation passed to cut off funding to try to stop universities from hiring people from from a country that has our enemy. We have to completely disengage from globalism, not just China, but globalism as a whole. We have to bring all of our manufacturing right here. In Arizona, we have a plan by the way we have already drafted. Legislation that we're going to introduce that brings manufacturing right here. Arizona imagine a rate from Phoenix to Tucson that whole that whole stretch of land right there being filled with manufacturing being filled with. With great American jobs. We can do this. We can win this, but what we have to do is we have to take away their source of funding? We have to disengage from manufacturing again. This is one of the major reasons I'm doing this I know the hurdles that companies are dealing with. They can't manufacture here in the United States. We can fix that problem we have to. We have to take away their source of money and we have to quickly. Get real last one, and then we got to go I got about. Less than a minute I know. Danny, McCarthy. AM, seven hundred this whole deal with this Taiwanese semiconductor company that's coming to Arizona the fact that trump did this and he is going to basically stop. Them coming here, they're not. They're not going to sell their chips with to wall way which they'll need. This is the whole Big Five G. Race. Talk about not getting enough press. I mean trump really did a number on China by making this happen, didn't he? He, he scored a home run. It was it was called tribeca. I mean what he did was. Is He implemented restrictions? He got a manufacturing back your by the way right here in Arizona. What like twelve billion dollars she he won't. Everyone is running around with mouth gone I trump sitting there. Just hitting home runs out of the park the paying attention he's. The guy is so underrated for how well he's doing. Look at what he did with the vaccination, he literally just took the legs out from the vaccination by saying. Hey, by the way I'm taking this drug create preemptively precautionary before. I want to get the coronavirus. Keep you realize what he by saying that he literally took this whole vaccination thing in like flush you hear Bill Gates and George Soros with a correct co collective cry that trillions of dollars was being flushed down the toilet. I think the guy is much smarter than when everybody gives them credit for I. Hope I hope he is anyways I think all of us have to have a little bit of face there, but I really wanted to be a reinforcement and in the United States Senate for America first bringing manufacturing back here in the United States I know how to do it, so it's. We've got to win this thing man we. We've got Did you? Did you hear about the nurse that was fired by the way the guy that did the video for me? That characterised video. This just happened. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. Can you, can you hang on for me? Daniel will do when we get back. We'll hang. We'll keep you because I know. You were up there. This guy had six kids if I remember correctly at six kids and he was up there protesting ducey. And you're telling me about fire. We'll find out coming back with Danny. McCarthy, don't go as Tucson DOT COM. Seventy five years crazy, isn't it? My God. Man's Saint God bless him God. Let's just focused on him for once all right Gary Lewis with you here can spam seventy two sons, most stimulating talk three things I think you need to know quickly. Number One. We'll get to more this NATO five pima county supervisors pretty much push just about everything until Thursday two PM. Where another meeting is going to be these restaurant owners about their. He's dumb regulations. The a couple of crazy ones, but remorse invalidate, said listen. This is always a work in progress you. That's what business owners want. Let's change everything that can be changed again. Get Out of here second thing I. Think you need to know NBC News Reporter Casey this morning, says yeah, whenever I stick my microphone in front of Martha mcsally face and asked about trump's. She runs away. And now now there's Arizona. Republican operatives here in Arizona Republican operatives in Arizona Blaming Sally. For trump's terrible poll numbers. If you WANNA believe terrible. Say, she's got. No charisma can't get him excited Ado. Third thing. That I think you need to know new audio coming out Joe Biden not good for him recorded calls put out by a Ukrainian politician. So. Listen to this at a press conference. It's put Vice President Biden in the former president of Ukraine and the president. Chris I got rid of that Guy Shokhin for you did nothing wrong, but I him to resign in providence had good. Now you get your billion dollars I mean it's hello. Quid quo, quid pro jo three things. I think you need to know all right. Let's continue. Let's get back with Danny McCarthy Daniel. Thank you for hanging on me I. appreciate it by the way and its entire interview will be up a canister dot com so enjoy that. So! Daniel you let's go to this again. We were talking about more Kelly and China and everything and and people can find the story about more Kelly by the way my facebook page scroll down facebook dot com slash. Dare Lewis Radio like it. Follow it, you scroll down. See The story about more Kelly and the The Chinese investments into worldview which pima county, but I remember when to stay was in lockdown. You went to the capital. You went to Phoenix and you met a a nurse who had six kids, and he was furloughed, and and you and he questioned care Chris very nicely very professionally. And you telling me this guy was fired from his job. That's right. Yeah, so this guy. I met him at the first rally. He came up to me and he goes like he goes. Everything you're saying is true Daniel that the hospitals etc. It's I'm a nurse. They've laid me. They've already cut ours back, so he was only working a couple of days. A ship will then we got care Chris just by pure accident. By the way we were literally walking out of the Capitol. We came down from the governor's office. My I think fourth or fifth attempt to get the governor to come out and talk to us, and then we walked downstairs. We walk outside. Outside there she is. She's walking by. Get this on film and I. He's The guy. Actually. I'm actually behind the camera I didn't even get in his way. Let him call well. He gets fired so being right now. This guy he he literally cut fired from from I. Don't know exactly what healthcare he works for. But this guy. You should have a on sometime. I think it'd be. He's A. He's a guy and I mean I feel bad 'cause the guy literally. Fired I using his first amendment rights. This is what this country has gone through is going through. It's it's really. It's like the twilight zone. That's the only way I can relate. It I wake up in the morning. Probably like just like your listeners and I think my living through a horrific dream here. and. I WANNA be. I WanNa be clear though because we were talking about this. When I'm saying that we're under attack I literally saying that we're under attack, rate. The the Chinese operatives are entrenched inside of our our propaganda arm of the media. They're entrenched inside of academia. You name the category of the sector of our government in their inside of it, and they are operating in ray now. Specifically with technology technologies, the big the big hurdle that we're dealing with. I. I think that if we don't move manufacturing back to the United States if we don't separate ourselves from globalization rather quickly and I'm saying I in a rapid succession. Me We're we're very vulnerable, so it's yeah, this this fight is the fight of our lives and everyone. I'm asking of course support of for our campaign. If you can mobilize around our candidacy if you propel me, pass the primary. What you've basically done is is you've created a story line? That cannot be ignored. There's doesn't matter how much money Mike Bloomberg jumps into. Into the race I compete against money all the time. There's nothing you can do about the a better product, and we will have a better product. The Republican Party a true constitutionalist, a true conservative, and we can win this race and we can make sure that like I said we can start pushing back and it's. It's long past due that we push back. Tell you what's. In the Tucson area, you're up in the Phoenix area. We don't really see much. It's like we get forgotten about. They think it's just all blue in. It is what it is, but you know you're talking about again. How did not you know we need to bring everything back I don't see Martha Singer, this is more Kelly is doing any interviews Z. asked this. Does he say the same thing? Does he say anything like this? No right now they're going to stay so isolated the two of them Martha listen. Martha was silent when the churches are being shutdown. She's silent on the impeachment when the president was being impeached, she's silent when people have to stay home. She's now hiding behind that. She's not a real candidate. I I'm trying to tell everybody this and I hate to say it like this, but she's controlled opposition. She frankly is there to lose I know. That's like people are gonNA. Say Man. That's A. that's a pretty out. There Theory Noah folks. Politics at this level is much worse than what I thought. It was and I'm. This is me coming to you reporting to you from a civilian nine months ago. It seeing it now hand. We're dealing with a critical. Race here and it's imperative that we do not allow that man to win the seat. He is the most dangerous senator potentially in the United States and we're being lied to folks I know you know this. I guarantee you firsthand, but we are completely being lied to about what really is going on here. They are trying to change the culture of the United States. They have changed the culture of the United States in order for us to comply with what they have in their in their plans. their plans are again. It's it's to make sure that the United States is not the predominant power in the world. Jeeze well, Daniel Thank you for listening and I think this is something you've got to keep pumping because this is the main storyline right now in this country and we're getting drug manufacturing back here. The president signed that that ordering the to basically stop the reliance on our on our generic drugs. Any drugs made India and China. He's making bringing back. You're going to get national stockpile. There's a lot that he's doing. I know you're on. The same page is him and I don't see the other two being any part of it. We'll get John Again. Man Demand Daniel Dot. com is the website Danny McCarthy thanks for the time. Brother I appreciate it. Thank you as always Gary for everything. Thank you for having me. Thank you everybody very much to serving you. All right take. Care Danny McCarthy right here on.

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Aliens: Theyre Just Like Us, Dumb Coups Are Still Coups 12.9.20

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Aliens: Theyre Just Like Us, Dumb Coups Are Still Coups 12.9.20

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I'm glad it stayed in his head and he wasn't saying that shit out loud as he would be from hair. Excuse me nothing. Nothing nothing. I as as i was going through that extended that lp other realizing how we kick the show off with what is the closest. The show gets to a morning zoo. It's just like one of the morning zoo. People can't saying that's that's the innovation that we've brought to anyways. We are thrilled. Joined in air third seat by the hilarious and talented connor. Del rio de ooh air. Conair the conman secon con job con con dancers eater of worlds right here. Maybe oh yeah oh man. Hey thank you. I wouldn't say you guys can't sing all. I like things that resembled notes for both connor. What's what's new with you man. What's happening are you making out in these troubled times of hours. I'm making out pretty good. I'm not making out them quite lonely. I mean i'm surrounded by towels right now in a closet and not just for this recording just in general. I don't believe you said this. Is my town spiritually mentally. You're surrounded by tousands a closet metaphor Most steph baby hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Always tell I so in march when things like for. I think it was march right. Remember back in march feels like when things first started getting a little crazy. I actually so. I was supposed to move into this new apartment on april first los angeles and about a week before moving in i get a message from my friends. Saying hey Roommate actually decided he's not gonna move out anymore. And i was like comes. Screw that's man. You can't do that a week before like my my roommate at my current apartment already are already found a new roommate for the apartment. I got nowhere to go p- so i called my buddy and i was like. Hey could i. Just you know crash at your place for a couple of weeks or a month and i'll i'll pay for your ac bill or whatever. I'll pay for half the rent. Just until i find a place. He was like. Yeah no problem. And then two weeks into stain there. Newsom shuts down the state red. Then all of a sudden everything start shutting down and the guy who screwed me over. I'm actually like hey thanks. I didn't have to sign a year. Lease stuck in the least like a lot of people have been unfortunately and then i decided to go to. I called my aunt and uncle who live out in bumble. Fuck new hampshire. i mean. they're they're street. they're street name. Why can't i shouldn't give their address zip code and listening. Let's start their social security. They they live in bumble. Fuck new hampshire. And i was like well. That's probably the better place to be right now with every on just around. Nobody and they also had my dog. Because when i was filming the movie half brothers last year it was in new mexico for three months and i don't want to put them in boarding and they love dogs. And so. I brought them there to new hampshire and so i hung out with them for what i thought was going to be like a month. I think we all we're like. Oh this'll be a month. Wrote a thing will be gone and we didn't know what we were talking about. We're all confused. I think a lot of us still are but Yeah hung out new hampshire for three months. And then i'm from chicago born and raised in chicago so i came to chicago after that and i've been in chicago since june just kind of all my family and closest friends are still in the city. So this is where. I've been hunkered down. And you know trying to find the positives and things sure yeah real sampling of the different ways that the the nation different parts of the nation shutdown deal with quarantine any any Insight to share chicago doing in particular. Chicago's doing well in new hampshire. You know my my aunt and uncle are very they're scientists. They're all four mask wearing all that stuff. I would have my mask on. Everywhere i'd go. I'd get a lot of dirty looks and things at gas stations. Wherever i was ran and then in chicago. It's obviously completely flipped. People had been really Smart about it here. They supported it. I also got here in the beautiful summer so it was. It was nice behind doing this. Whole all my gosh yet. Best one of the best cities in the world to have a great summer. You have to have an awful winter. Yeah people don't people don't take it for granted here so it was kind of nice man honestly. It was really beautiful and people were outside. I was riding my bike every day. So it wasn't it wasn't sad and cases were okay and i have friends who work in hospitals and they're always updating me saying no it's fine you know. It's not bad at all in march. It was really bad. The people who don't like to believe in this stuff. Just talk to like the people you know. Those are the people. I trust the most the ones who are. Actually they're dealing with this and it was hell for them. Rarely the healthcare workers who. Yeah it's blows my mind. We're talking about how the nation has turned. It's lonely is to you as a person in chicago All the all the top shows in america our chicago fire's chicago. Med chicago chicago bulls. You saw that documentary over. Every chicago's having a mome chicago wednesdays on nbc or something. I think they have a whole night dedicated to it. I don't watch you live man you watch it. See how you're living. How thank you thank you are kind of. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. I didn't tell our listeners. A few of the things we're talking about we're gonna check in with the flow a whistle blower who checked in with early on in the pandemic when she was fired for building out data that was too responsive to the facts. Her house was just raided. Like a dissident in a post apocalyptic movie. So we'll talk about that in how Cbs news covering that mainstream media. Nalen and once again. We're going to just do some. Covert stuff. William shakespeare got vacs st- in the uk. We'll we'll talk about that and how it confidence in the vaccine is increasing We'll talk about whether we're allowed to call this. Damn thing coup despite the fact that it seems to be more slapstick comedy There's been some interesting articles about why it's still more dangerous than you would think based on the comedy of it all We'll talk about the fact that the former head of israel's nasa basically the nasa equivalent in israel says aliens already here kicking it with us. No big deal before we get to any of that connor. What is something from your search history. That's really all right. I was like. Should i remove this but i'm just gonna go for it the last thing. If you fell a high building on top of a person would you live. Okay fight. what yes so. If you fell from a high building on top of a person would you live. But i couldn't word in the way. I was looking for what i wanted to find. Was if you fell with a person. Let's say you fell with a person and then you kind of holding to them on top. They hit the ground with the inertia. Still kill you as well. Today's more flashing. But i couldn't find. The answer is the person batman because dark night. I think answers that. When rachel and batman right right the person's not batman. I think you both die. Then i die. Yeah unless they're really large and squishy Imagine like person made of mattresses. Yeah the ad only way would survive to semi policy into mattress manner of beached whale. I feel like you'd be okay all like one of those carcasses beach from bill back in my cracked as we did a like an action movie myth busting article that i think we were specifically focused on the idea of jumping off a building into a dumpster because it seems to be a standard. All breaking awnings right awnings. It seems too obvious that you would just tear through and create modern art with doorman and your own insides. But even the even the the trash dumpster i. It seemed like people were saying that. If it's beyond. I think it was. It was a surprisingly low number of stories that it's just deadly. It doesn't matter you're gonna unless there's something specifically engineered in there too slowly break your fall you're gonna get turned into pudding. What if you're holding an umbrella rat lavalle is used as you descend exactly. It's it's a prettier fall. All take but also i think the dumpster. I mean you have to like swish. Your body has to switch perfect. Okay your explode before you jump off. You have to say lebron hopefully into that thing hold up whose neck shooting hand waiting for it to go into. Oh right so you die. So what did you say okay. Wait what brought on that search. Exactly like what were you really discussion. You just be like District may be real. It was writing something. I i wanna sales writing something and trying to figure out if that would you wanted to on can't science on also when i would take elevators. I dunno if everybody thinks this way but jump right before you hit right before he hit. Do you jump right before. Hit like do it on your side. Go yeah i think the nurses still takes takes down. I think so because you're jump is relative to the ground so just like you're hitting the ground at the same speed that right. You were traveling when you're on a stationary shit. All the time. And i know yeah i think about is like if you jump off a building like running as fast as you can like. How far out can you make it. Because that's just not that familiar. Far far anyways fucking elevators. Whatever those things got much. Otis guys always trying to take you out. What is something that you think is underrated. Something i think is underrated is the leftovers series. This television series. I for some reason it just went. Nobody watched it. But that was like whoa. That's probably at least in my opinion. And i think a lot of critics and other people i. It's like one of the greatest written shows of all time i was just. I just talked to somebody last week. Who was just swearing up and down. I think jackie. I started talking about it. When we started watching watchmen. I think as you were like you'll lindelof in the leftovers was like fire and i've my conception with season two is really good season. Whatever season two is like unbelievable and someone else came up with the same things you gotta fuck with a man season. Two and three like they're they're it's next level. Yeah and it was interesting on the watchman front because he basically started with season two of like season one of leftovers is the book and then season two they keep going and like he gets to like right. What happens shit right. Yeah and that's when it gets really really good and so with watchman he was just like. Let's just start here. That usually most of the time. It's the people lose the source material then all of a sudden downgrades. Yeah yeah the leftovers. Just what your friend said. I mean it's a heavy show. It's harsh show and i could see why a lot of people maybe couldn't get in tune with it But the second season is like the writing is just like a sweater. That's been threatening. I i love writing like that accents. Because i was a stupid lost fan boy like up until season three or four and then like it completed. Oh i don't like it but around to be upset especially that last season was straight disrespect. And i think then. Like watching watchmen as well where you go seemingly from like this is all chaos and then you're right. Oh my god. It was fucking pieces. Which i was eating the puzzle pieces the whole time. I didn't know. I one of my favorite ways of like enjoying long form tv content. So yeah that's also one of those places where we like. Got the duo. We like gave. Jj rooms all the credit and then lindelof was back. There actually turned out to be the dude who i don't know i guess they're both Talented in their own ways. But when when loss i hit people weren't abrams he's gonna be the future is the next spielberg. And then i feel like what about carlton. Cuse bro about that guy on lost two names like i was like i only remember j.j. Abrams lindelof is the man. I think he's like one of the best show runners and creators on tv right now. he's awesome. I love the pilot of the leftovers is one of my favorite pilots of any show Than the rest of the season one wasn't crazy about didn't really watch it beyond a certain point but season two is incredible and then for some reason i never watched season three so i showed that it's right to is definitely like the pinnacle i think But season three is wonderful. I think it has a perfect ending than just great acting. Great writing great cinematography great music. Great everything it's great greg. Yeah what is something you think is overrated coconut water. Coconut everything up. What is up on man. I think. I honestly think coconut water tastes like like severed decaying feet sitting in a swamp filled with trash and zombie decomposed beavers. Swimming around in it. I don't understand the love for coconut water especially in los angeles that is like it's holy there. I the coconut water coke. I just don't like coconut. Everything the after taste is awful. It's awful some coconut waters. I've liked because the ones that are kind of tastes good to me are the ones that kind smell or taste. Like old cornflake milk. Like there's like a feeling of old cereal. Milk is the kind of coconut water. I drink and i'm like oh this chicago tastes like oh bowl of cereal and then i'm like why did pay five bucks for this. I don't need this fuck with it. Like i really like it. I think it's very refreshing and admit that it tastes like bad breath when it's warm it just feels like inside of a mouth that hasn't been in days. Were warning yeah. Yeah yeah that's flavor of pocono. Yeah the the oil. I like the oil. You know good for my dog's coat my skin those things i think are undeniable But yeah the water. I just remember to like you know. Maybe eight years ago is when it was like it was percolate like the coconut water just trend and to the point where everyone in la like almost obligatory that you went to some at least one event that was sponsored by coconut water company And now i feel like i think. I don't know i don't know what happened. I don't know who this. I don't know as many hardcore coconut water. People as i used to or just normalized now right right. It's just they just call it water. I guess defensive I am a big coconut head from the day. I was a child. I remember like still fucking with like the coconut candies in a coconut or in like. Oh i love mounds. Love almond joy and coconut water. I guess there's this anecdote that i think is true that during world war two when there was a shortage of blood plasma they would use coconut water. Because it's identical to human blood plasma and can be safely injected directly into the bloodstream according to body ecology So don't do that needlessly. But that's why i when i drink it. I i have the feeling of like and it's probably mostly mental. But i have the feeling like this is going directly into the old veins macon overload that's minimal cannibalism phrase. That you're just drinking human when you can't drink human blood is what i'm saying. You gotta go. We'll just go for the coconut deal. Have been on the outs year. Your blood odd. Yeah lacroix whenever. I see somebody who has lacroix coconut hard sell that i mean i like coconut basis is the only way to. I've a friend shoutout nurse brittany who loves coconut. Lacroix drinks the shit. I've seen her drink room temperature. And i'm like oh my god. Oh suntan lotion. That sounds like coconut clerk at flavors always available tiles when you look at lacroix. I'm just saying someone that's always there the one. 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The police came in with guns drawn to take her computers and phone because they think she sent a hacked the system and sent an email to people saying like you know encouraging other people to be whistle blowers she claims it wasn't her but regardless it seems odd that they would come in with guns drawn and point them at her children like eleven. I think we're yes. It just has a very like dissident in a post apocalyptic vibe to it like where totally dealing with the people who and any you know. It's a it's a disentis joint. This this is a descent. Joy brought to you by the the artist the director ron santa's but it was weird because i was reading through the coverage of this and cbs news took a strongly skeptical view of rebecca jones. There like censor firing. She is lit up social media with post criticizing two santa's and estate agencies for months. She has tried to promote herself as a victim. Who was fired for telling the truth. Although there is no evidence that supports her claims which is just i think a good reminder that the mainstream media is in the business of like gaining access to people in power in exchange for favorable coverage and causing the people in the know and that their point of view is irrevocably warped by until two in favor of the people with access on power. Just seemed really disgraceful. That that was like their point of view. Going into this thing where a person who you know has a social media platform is going up against the fucking government. And they're pulling guns on her and her family right. They're like yeah okay. And she's been hella thirsty on social media's what this book the wild thing to me about her is to when they when they say. There's no evidence that this could be. Retribution whatever they say there's no evidence that supports or claims that she was like a victim who is five for telling the truth. I mean i'm pretty sure. She has documentation around the idea that they were saying. We need the numbers to look a certain way. Even if they don't so we don't have to lockdown. Like official party line is that she was insubordinate. Like it's it's like talking about what is fire nation and the gun thing is so unnecessary like the police like sort of pushed back on the idea that they did drug guns cut to her video. That shows them with guns in hand stairs and that yeah the miami herald article was like there's no evidence from the video that says that authorities pointing weapons at anyone in jones's home with the fuck. Are you talking so they were just like vaguely pointing them up the stairs. Where her and her kids were but see they put in new audio. That sounded like police. Were there and get your hands up. Whatever and really it was like a party season party sort of the building. Get your guns up right around doing that. Thing and see total deepfake video that they did on there. But it's all it's all trash even like the way. That system is set up. I was reading that. That whole covid like thing that she had set up. That's used by the state. They they use this same username and password for the entire thing so even if she was booted out like they didn't even change the information after like the it security is absolutely laughable but then they want to act like all these people are hacking in using this information or whatever. It's like this is all such a clear cut case of harassment. And i mean. I don't know i mean we don't know if she left that message. It doesn't seem like that's the most effective way to get your point across if your data scientist But you know that's that's where we're at right. Now i'm in dissent has made his state like in like intentionally hostile people who are either exposing the truth standing for the truth or in opposition to any kind of discrimination. So this this. This seems on brand for the state. Yeah yeah terrifying. It's terrifying right. It's brand but i. I just don't understand like okay your cell phone. You want to get a computer. Why do you have to even start with the rate of the house. Why does that have to be the start. Why can't you have a megaphone outside like if you're going to do this this little mafioso thing that they're pulling off why don't have every say come outside everybody comes outside. You don't have to have your guns drawn especially since there's children. They they if they know where she lives and they know all this information about her. They know she has children. They know what tried to do and they said she ignored them. The cops the cops knocked on her door And she was like okay. I'm gonna get arrested. So i should get dressed and like you know because these are covert times not. Everybody is like camera ready. The second the cops decide to randomly mega housecall. So and then during those twenty minutes They took that as her. You know the police were picturing her in their barricaded with weapons instead of just like or putting you know getting her hair ready for a trade or whatever the fuck now anyways. Meanwhile just another story about who dissented has put on his actual data analysis. Cova team is young man Not a young man. Old man by the name of kyle lamb forty year old. Who is a sports blogger. Spent several years writing about ohio state university for various ohio state. University college is that is my bed. I remember so confused on monday night. Football mike why the fuck do they all have the energy for the university university. I get it. Does that go back to like a feud with oh you or something where like university was like claiming they were ohio university. State anyways anyway. Back to the cluster. Fucking so kyle. Lamb has then recently gained a twitter following for doing the easiest thing to get yourself a twitter following an amplifying conspiracy theories about covid nineteen Including his belief that masks do not prevent the virus from spreading and that the pandemic might be part of a bio war and to santa's brought him on as a Member of his team to replace you know the me. Yeah these are all attempts at legitimizing. This kind of outlandish talk of saying well. This is my expert. okay. And i'm ordaining them as being on my panel as governor that now suddenly people were like i don't know why if this guy's on the the governor's panel like maybe we do need to think about this whole bio war nonsense. It fucked up like it's completely you know that that's why everyone's faith in or in science and medicine is like you know vacillating between like faith and like what the folks going on and it's his I feel like it's his. It's this way of just trying to throw as much you know like garbage in the middle of the floor that people have to clean up before getting him flood. The outlet led the zone with shit is shit before they can blame me and take me out. you know. it's that is a that's something from his playbook it's it's terrifying man. It's so it's so awful. Like that's why i'll always. I'll always go at the scientists. I mean luckily you know i. There's there's quite a few in my family shout out to my cousin elliott stanford working at a lab mass for people around the world out of old scuba masks. And i mean she's been working since march man growing. We'd do we need that But yeah that's heard he's converting some scuba masks as well as he is he's to like the wildest dab rig you've ever seen you there are some scholars family ideas like two weeks of community. College is not for me and and left. You know all my community college students out there though. Keep man you gotta get it off. Let's talk about Some ideas for police reform. That are being put forward in california. There's a bill being discussed That is a kind of 'incrementalist In the way that basically all of the ideas for police reform that are endorsed by The police are tend to be but Yeah this one is basically saying that becoming a cop should require you to have a bachelor's degree and be twenty five years old just based on statistics about what police officers with those attributes. Ha how violent. They are otherwise. Yeah the legislator who putting it. Who's who wrote. The bill is referring to like this. Study in twenty ten that sh- that basically says that College educated officers typically typically typically use less force often and fewer complaints filed against them. Now okay that's good thing to identify it that group of people but this is you know like we're saying this is incremental change when we know what the real issues are But you know. This isn't the issue here in like the reason. This bill is coming out isn't because we have a problem with you know not enough cops who studied abroad in barcelona. We haven't fucking real issues here. This is an issue within policing that is anti black. Anti poor anti fuck and everything and they are protected by powerful unions. That can keep any kind of real meaningful like legal repercussions from ever getting close to them as well as the financial consequences of these like ridiculous retirement plans. A lot of these people have where it's like dude you'd get fired and then you're fucking set like no matter what even if you straight up murder somebody twice and this is just. These are the kinds of things that you'd wish the legislators were actually looking at because this is a good way of legislator being like well this is an this is an improvement. Yes that would be great because right now you just need to be. I think like eighteen or have a quick eighteen with an equivalent in a high school diploma to begin your training and it can be i think. Twenty if you're in the california highway patrol but yes. This is a good way to try and weed out other people but it's really a disingenuous at real reform and we just need to look at how much money is going to these departments and actually just having this conversation about reinvesting in communities because the in law enforcement in this country is well people commit crime because they're black rather than seeing the full picture of how black and brown americans have been abandoned. And we're merely just branding this failure of governance as crime. You know it's not always crime. It's not we failed. These people they have no recourse. They're so desperate that they commit crime. People commit crimes out of desperation out of ten. They're just do it for the jollies. But let's be real like a lotta. This is about survival if you deal drugs. 'cause you get a kick out of dealing drugs you do it because that's only employment available to you. That has the kind of income that you're looking for unfortunately or other things like that gang. Don't wanna be in gangs. This is all these are all these are byproducts of this failure. And i just want also pointed out that this study that the legislator is using to say like. Oh yeah look. Check this out of like you know. People who have been to france in college you know Murder last it was done by the national police foundation. Which i just wanna point out that they love community policing like solutions and they love putting forward the broken window policing strategy which is totally fucked up and completely wrong and backwards and biased. Uh so it's already like you know. We have an imperfect thing drawing from an imperfect place trying to be presented as meaningful change So it's just i think just i. We will continue to see things like this. That look good and are good. But i think are avoiding what all the outcries were from the public over this last year over what is necessary to change the relationship between the community in law enforcement. Yeah i mean i. I grew up in in the city of chicago What's chicago public. Schools very diverse schools. And all that. And i can't tell you enough i mean there are people who i've met and who i've known a little and they're like oh becoming a cop in my head mike. There's letting you become a cop all right there. they're allowing. I'm like i'm like what and so it's like. There's so much about character and personality that matters. I think with becoming a cop. That i don't know what kind of thing you could create to figure that out of how you get the best character and personality to become a cop. Because it's it's it's it's a humanity job it's dealing with people having empathy for people like you need to have empathy for people to want to work for people. I think even to your point about like the character that of of the kinds of officers that need to be out there on the street it is. I think you start that. By just having like reinforcing the fucking rules So the ones who don't act with humanity in mind are quickly just booted the fuck on and made known to people like yoyo. This isn't the place like if you wanna fuck around and do that. Go to florida or whatever fucking other police department but i think for police departments this whole idea of like a couple of bad apples or whatever taj out all the fucking bad apples then yeah a media and then seeing what you're left with figure out what the real problem is but they're like there's no even sort of the energy for that isn't even there so we get all these sort of half measures that have the like on. Paper are police reforms but we are we are. We are way past the time for these small things like those things in sixty years ago if you want to start that little incremental process but now we're looking at the situation and we need. We need to extinguish one hundred percent under percent. Yeah i mean the more you know about history like that's that seems to be something that like the like it's not just. The black communities are abandoned. Its that they're actively imprisoned through redlining in communities where the official government policy is to deprive them of resources and then they're only interaction with the state like that ten year old who's writing by on his bike. Only interaction with the state is violent racist. Police like it's. It's not a problem that can be addressed through incremental change artless talk about the pandemic What's going on with the vaccines. The uk start giving out the vaccines and we got to see people get chased. Yeah it would it. Sick dude maxed. So we're were did. They specifically chose someone named william shakespeare's for worthy purposes of good good marketing guys. Bill shakespeare's getting a vaccine. Y'all come on uk. Where are you at its just. It began with like some elderly people and yes. They're just happened to be this eighty year old man legal name william shakespeare of who got vaccinated on tuesday. And i think that's been getting a lot of attention. I think just this story because like we're seeing like massive rollout of immunization programs happening like that's i think i think that most all fuck hope on some level please now soon so because of that. They're getting a little more attention here. And then the story within area that got the like the first roll out vaccines in the uk. You've got gotta old guy named bill. Shakespeare the literally the first person or technically the person who i got. It is a ninety year this nine year old woman but i think bill. Shakespeare's are getting the shine because of the name in the in the difference in photos. The photo of i'm i posted in the dock bill shakespeare. He's very like stoic. And he's like i'm getting vaccinated and the woman who is actually the first person to get it. She looks like god. Fuck it all energy is like. She's wearing a mask. She's got like a cheery christmas shirt on but her face is like says. This is such a fucked up year. Even though i'm getting an accident. I feel like her image. Really sums up like where people are where it's like. Yeah this good things happening. I guess. But like i'm i'm fucked inside from nine months also such a perfect encapsulation of what we see with the the old white guy were just the white guy not wearing a mask is just like why would i. Of course. yeah no. But i'm vaccinated right. Yeah i mean it's nice to see this happening like it's weird how. I'm getting a secondary high for. Yeah right yo yo. The vaccine go. They're getting over there. But i don't know if like we're after hearing that trump turned down for like the opportunity to buy more vaccines visor. I'm like fuck over the summer before we knew it was like. Hey things are promising. Let's by some by some of these. Your yes vaccines. And he was like nah. Fuck that well. i don't think it's fiscal restraint. More than i don't know who gives a shit. It's it's it's not real but yeah this is but seeing this happen. I think should bring great joy to at least the people of the uk. Whatever the fuck it happens in the us. There's a super producer and center around like a link to figure out your place in line for the covid vaccine in america like based on like the county you live in age and i'm it's it's going to be a while before i get to the top of that list. If it's you're right though it is nice. It is that i think it's that light at the end of the tunnel. I think some people are starting to think that tunnels like really short on mike. Now he's still got a ways to go you know but they're just went from darkness to light but yes exactly exactly like y'all i can. I can make out a tree in the tunnels mouth. Like no no no no to pinhole couple times. Yeah i mean we're seeing just steady increases in the number of people who feel willing to get vaccinated who are going to be who think they'll be willing to get vaccinated at the numbers. Were very discouraging. Earlier in the vaccine or in the pandemic there for africa back in september it was about fifty percent of americans said they were down to get the vaccine and now that number's up to sixty three. So yeah. I mean the difference. When i i wonder how much of it has to do with trump losing to then like in general. They're like well if you're asking me in this administration in this context i'm not really but the numbers started going up in october. So it seems like it's a could be many different things but in terms of democrats. They said sick fifty three percent said they would be open to it in september. And now it's seventy five percent brom when it comes to attendance just over sixty percent of independents say they would be willing to get it and fifty percent of republicans reported that they were willing to be vaccinated and that hasn't changed right so i don't like if trump is i don't i'm trying to figure out what they're logic is that if it was trump's they were still at fifty percent because all of the misinformation has them so mucked up that even if it was their dear leader being like. Here's your vaccine. There's still like Bran reloaded movement on the other side. Being like yes. Please like we need health. We need safety wondering sorry on this. Is i think his leadership has just been so. This seems pretty intuitive to me that the as you know the person who's in charge or as there's even light at the end of the tunnel as like the media seemed to come around to the fact that he was losing the election. Like i feel like an as the vaccine and the pandemic response got dissociated from his administration but i mean his his leadership has been. You know undeniably bad so idea when when you're at first associating it with a world in which he is the person who is leading the charge versus like a world where he might not be. I can fully understand that that shift fifty percents. I wonder too. This is maybe this is like an off ramp from the main topic. But this whole like disinformation thing is so. Did you guys read the Talking to strangers chance by. Well no i there's this There's this interesting portion of the book that talks about like that. Outlier everybody in society can say say ninety nine percent you know forty years ago. Let's say ninety percent or ninety eight percent of people say yeah. I'd take a vaccine. I'm all for vaccine. That's the science. I support it and then you have one person who's like no. I'm going to question this a little bit. I'm going the other side of it. You know what what does a vaccine to your body. Do we know the long term effects all these things and you have that one person that outlier and he talks about how it's always important to have at least one person who kind of goes against the majority to kind of just questioned things right but then he talks about what happens if everybody starts to become that kind of outlier idealist. Personality whose questioning everything. You don't have a society that can't function like because everybody's just going off the walls with their ideas and what they believe in. And i feel like that's what he talked about kind of what's been happening with social media and this mass amount of information and people not people find it hard to believe anything at this point. I think some people have a hard time believing bolsa either side of. Yeah well then. You have. People like jake paul who then are like ninety. Eight percent of news is fake. No matter who you're getting your from your like. Oh i'm glad you have the eye for that. Two percents of real nurse on hit twenty million people who follow this guy and listen to that platform scary. So it's like this. Are we on this like indefinite path of disinformation. How do we does this. This cease to exist as this administration slowly becomes a ghost in the white house late. I i'll always just point to the fact that like until we take care of people's needs they're going to be willing to believe whatever explanation someone just slightly smarter than them offer them. Yeah And i don't think like even if we do get a hold of it like if you don't get people like to work or like the ability to sell their families or to have a life into have health care and education. I think that's probably going to be the biggest tool to melt away. Like you know that. Sort of mentality of being so contrarian to like you know our feed these fires of misinformation But yeah. I don't know it's it's i think we're we're experiencing like we're just at the beginning of it. We're we're just at that stage where everyone's like. I think it's a problem ready like rocky It's crazy man. The and i think also we need to figure out what we're going to do with regards to social media and how that is policed but i. I don't know a good solution to that. Because now they're good value Valuable things that it brings an also just nightmarish happens if you have no replies no. Rt's no likes. Well tell also like the level of control that asking the social media networks to exercise is not when you look at like the story about how the facebook spreading misinformation that led to race riots that killed thousands of people like the. That was a story that was on their radar. And they just didn't do the necessary things to like monitor. They're not they didn't create like the team that was necessary. It's just there's no incentive. So i guess like one answer would be that like. Just try would be a good first step because we haven't even tried. It's just been a complete fucking free for all in terms of like letting these networks operators just ad networks who are only there to monetize the interactions and have no actual responsibilities. Right right all right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back jack from work Hayes gang has no what audible is. This is something we advertised before. 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Because it's so incompetent like is doesn't belong in that category of attempts overthrown government. Well style treatment of talking about this is going to help. It's like can he even call it a coup like you know Let's not blocked at like the smoldering fire in the corner. Yeah i mean so. Recently yesterday the arizona republican party at easy gop so the actual you know twitter handle their zone. A republican party asked their followers if they were willing to die for the cause of Stopping the steel in a re tweet of an anti semitic right wing extremists who tweeted. I am willing to give my life for this fight. And there's is a republican party re tweeted and said he is. Are you a gatorade commercial. Yeah you like what. Is it news more so they took that down when it started getting some backlash and then immediately after posted a tweet. That was a picture from the movie. Rambo with rambeau pointing arrow which blanket. Somebody's on like face like the tip of the errors in the person's face and he's pulling back getting ready to just do a point-blank head shot with an arrow bowen arrow and says the tweet is in quotes. This is what we do who we are. live for. Nothing or die for something. American flag again from the official arizona. Republican party this is how extremist groups also recruit martyrs like people. This same language of like die for this. Yeah you down to die for this. And i mean luckily like somewhat luckily like a lot of other republicans are pushing back on these tweets which is what when they were getting ratio. They're like okay. Maybe a bad idea but nonetheless that's still create. This environment still exists. People showed up to the michigan secretary. States house yeah. I mean protesting on this. Stop the steel nonsense with buttons. Aren't while she was trying to decorate her house for christmas. A real war on christmas moment right. Kill not get covered by fox. I'd imagine so just on a longer term in like more searching view. I've also seen the the response even from like people who i think are smart on the left to it just seems like from a posturing perspective. Don't want to seem like they're the boy who cried wolf or alternately. Just when i seem like cool enough and like worldly enough to be like this isn't a coup you think this is the coup. This is nothing like this idiot. You should have studied in barcelona with me. I see that stuff. Yeah but this writer in the atlantic is Popular really talented academic needed named zane app. Two feet she wrote so she grew up in a turkey and she writes about. How basically like if you are from a place where coups are common This definitely feels like a coup and the question of whether it should be called a coup seems somewhat silly and beside the point and it's more important to just talk about in specific terms like what is actually happening because these are all norms that are being toppled that make it so that you can do a coup with impunity like just because this particular time is incompetent does not mean that you should know the ignoring like at one point. She just lays out all the things that are happening And you know viewed from the perspective of someone who grew up at the whims of five major coups throughout her lifetime. Pants a pretty stark picture like that. The president has repeatedly in baselessly claimed. The election was stolen and continues to do so. Daily effectively charging the election officers around the country being involved in a dangerous conspiracy. The president is key. Allies have repeatedly called for republican state. Legislators to steal the election for him the president who has the power to appoint judges Is asking for court nominees to earth supreme court to steal the election forum and has asked the court to throw out valid votes right after the election. A legal adviser to the president stated. We're waiting for the supreme court to do something and hopefully conybeare. it will come through. High profile. Allies of his are physically. Intimidating georgia's republican government or gov- for backing the actual vote count amplified messages the call for people to fight back hard and then his election lawyer said that the entire election and all swing states should be overturned. Like it's just yeah it's all there and then they said that christopher krebs should should be shot at dawn like rises. That's all the sort of thing that you would have. An aku is just that because the president didn't do the planning necessary and the political maneuvering necessary. He isn't capable of doing it like his say. Basically the incompetence of the whole co is why people aren't stating that. This is aku. Yeah right it's like you know fucking crocodile dundee shit were by tyrod with a knife and that's not a knife. Vc's annoy you're you're laughing off your transgressor because the attempt is so wack and you like brown minute. Call the cops on that idiot that and it's like well hold on. That wasn't attempted robbery. So he really put this on paper this motherfucker to rob you be clear that is not an advisable way to deal with a mugging because just go and get a gun right but either way but to that point is maybe some other goons saw them be like okay so you can't stick them up with that knife some bigger than that knife and you're setting it like again. We the the real thing here is also in her article is talking about you know treat i think what was it. The i put the the bottom show like this is your first coup. If you want to be sure that it's here last exactly like treat this like a robbery. Bread fucking gulf and and and bring the law. Bring them to jet. Like you can't do this shit and i think that's why there's this other debate. That's also brewing is. What is joe biden going to do when it comes the president because this like handhold the will we don't wanna like we want to heal the country. That's not healing. My that is not going to be healing. That is saying yo. Y'all can get away with this shit. If you do it slicker. That is a tear like you have to. We have to actually put an end to it by actually exercising or whatever using the legal system justice system to try and hold these people to account. But i seriously doubt that that would ever happen because you know. Democrats are the party of loans were. This is a smoke free environment. Even if the smoke is necessary for the good of the country and You know she talks about how one of the coups that overthrew her government and that was very dangerous and led to hundreds of people being tortured to death was like basically the remnants or the aftershock of an original coup that was laughed out of the building like like this one is being like it was not seen as serious and she also points to napoleon bonaparte. The third napoleon bonaparte. S- i guess grandson like did did a coup that was like called beyond comedy by The french press and then eventually like ten years later overthrew the government remade it in his image for you know thirty years and completely altered the course of history after an attempted coup. That was absurd and hilarious. The wild thing is this isn't even hilarious. You know what i mean like. It's in a way like sure rudy. Giuliani sweat and a black from his head in. You know smearing snot on his face and stuff like that high. But like the but when you're looking at it it's truly like we're saying like it's the fourth quarter for white supremacy as like a form of governance or their attempts to try and fight fight back against it and it's like they're not gonna fucking just lay down like the whole country was built on this so there i think it's it's it's a dangerous thing to like on one level like we laugh about it to on the show but that's more out of existential dread but at the same time wanting to keep an eye on this ship because i think we as we talk about it you there will always be somebody who's trying to improve upon the last person's contribution in every field. You know there is somebody. Who's knuckling like see trump. Did it wrong this way. Like if you're going to bring in ethnos state. It has to happen this way and that that there are people who gears are moving to and i think that's why it's it's it's important to have the mindset that is doesn't it's not over january twenty lake right this is. This is the beginning of the new. The next phase of whatever this country's history is in. It's going it's pivotal. I also think too in Just american general. American people. And even i think to an extent. I'm i've certainly thought this way. Sometimes i think there's like disillusionment of like. Oh that wouldn't happen. In america though like turkey tanks like running over civilians and helicopters shooting at buildings like that. That wouldn't happen here. That can never happen here. And i think i think it's important to keep that absolutely could happen here. To be honest. I didn't even a aku was only defined as Like a general military. I didn't even know right. Yeah i had no idea that it could be a totally makes sense. Obviously that it can be defined as an administration just kind of refusing to bow down. There's another it's it's wild because that specific definition and like the. It really seems strange that there would be so much energy on being like this isn't a coup and defining what a coup is and making sure that something that isn't that like doesn't get because there's been like tons of articles there's washington post op-ed That is like all about how this isn't a coup but like the the. Us government has been subject to choose from within from the cia. Like you know you have these governments within the government that are taking over Doing said you're handed black state Black ops shit and you know because we're not willing to like when you actually read the history of these things It's like oh yeah. They created the reality that we grew up in to favor them. But like it's the there's a whole other history of like Things that just we didn't view as a coup because it was happening under the surface again. It's a coup on paper so treat it like you know that's why the the the next administration and even now they need to be talking like this but again it's too spicy. It's okay for the people in the right to be calling for whatever the fuck they're doing But it's but it's like just a bridge slightly too far for democrat democratic leadership to be like they are attempting a coup. I don't know. I don't care what they wanna call it. This is straight horse shit. But it's more just like well. Well let the courts hamlin and that was a nice try. Finally i want to talk about a story that would have. I don't know it's it. Seems like it's way too important to cover in three minutes which we're going to try and do but the former head of israel's what's his official title he ran and he ran as program based program. There's there's no. He's not some guy with a cool twitter handle That bb netanyahu fucks with. It's like you know he's he's i think he's running from like the eighties till like twenty ten or something. Yeah and mc for context. He's saying if. I had come up with what i'm saying today. Five years ago We'll get to what he's saying. I would have been hospitalized. Wherever i've gone with this and academia. They've said the man has lost his mind today. They're already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I've received my degrees in awards. I'm respecting universities abroad where the trend is also changing that trend. He says that we have made alien. Contact the us government and israel in particular that we are in communication and in fact in a legal contract with the extraterrestrials. I'm glad of one of his quotes. I i'm glad that the aliens respect contract. Law design said quote. There is an agreement between the us government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here. They too are researching and trying to understand the whole fabric of the universe and they want us as helpers i i just the signed a contract is were goes a little too far i don. I was on board agreement. Maybe you know contract were they. Were they redlining. Did they get the lawyers. Involved are the are the alien only legal counsel. They're like sorry this. This is actually a poison pill in this neil. We will not if it's contained in the contract language. I don't But they're saying one of the first hubs of cooperation is a base on mars. Where by the way Astronauts have already set foot american astronauts and the is underground. That's why can't i love aliens. I love her too early. And my uncle has ten thousand dollar telescope in new hampshire and he was shown me jupiter up-close. I've i've said this before. I'll say it again. If i am a family six kids. I need to be there for my family and aliens come to me and say. Hey we'll take you with us. You can never come back. You see anybody again but you'll get to see the galaxy for what it is. I'd be like let's go go. Okay i wanna prologue with that. But i will say this guy lost me. When he plugged his book is coming out. He's got out that's where he lost me anyway. No way though it's like you don't want this guy's book though you know even as if is talking that real shit he's like it's so complex like to say it use. The word agreement would completely betray the forms of communication. These life forms us. I would be like whoa okay. But when you're treating it like a fucking like just you know a funny comedy film or hey let's on some research bam and then even like his is explanation. It's like what whoa where y'all been where the aliens been. What's he mentioned trump in there too. Yeah he did say that Trump was on the verge of revealing all of this but they aliens in the galactic federation which is literally a term from star trek. But maybe not aliens in the galactic federation or saying wait. Let everyone calm down i they. They don't wanna start mass hysteria. They wanna i make us sane and understanding. So here's why like. Obviously i want to believe and i'm going to always err on the side of. Yeah this could be possible. The thing about the contracts so one of my theories on aliens is that they might end up being a lot more similar to us than we expect them to be because of parallel evolution. And the fact that like when you look in australia at like the wildlife that evolved there and it looks almost identical to wildlife that evolved independently in the us. It's like there when you have the conditions of life in two different seemingly different places like they do end up co hearing similarly so maybe maybe that is something that eventually always comes up. when there's a civilization that has evolved to a certain point. Maybe they're like well. You gotta have contracts man. I mean other one then. Nothing separates us from the single celled organisms. I didn't come all this way to not have the legal paperwork into protect interests in disagreement. Birthing i also just like picturing. The process of getting from respected in academic circles has this hugely powerful career. And now what makes like just selling books just being like yeah seems i don't know i. I have a hard time imagining that Evolution like unless he was always long like heads some suspicion that there was alien contact like mouth shut because it's going to cost him his job all the time like dude you got an octa shut off serious scientists just using lake the same shit that ufo heads in the us. You right just saying roswell though dog what viral video dude. What about that. Beam of light above tel aviv. Shot up in the sky. What was that from multiple angles like that was doctored. We already talked about this. Dr are did a great job on it. Yeah no. I mean it looks cool. I wonder if to like yeah like at a certain point. You know this is like breaking bad like kind of thing. It was like fuck it. I got nothing. I'm all in on this alien shit and get a book deal and get my little check so i can you know just by my retirement cabin and live life comfortably because my government pension is running out so i've got explained that position to say some while daily and shit. I don't know that would be a smart move though because instantly right like it's a it's this has been a global headline of because of the position. He held the pedigree. It's like just if so if you have that former title to give you any authority. Keep in mind anybody in any position with authority you can do this come out with some outlandish it that will just be like up end. The general accepted knowledge of your industry. And what have you ever head of. what said what. But this and then people will laugh you out but you'll get your shine. So you're you're officially on a this guy's lost it or is just trying to sell books shit. I mean i. I liked the energy. I love the energy of someone who is going to like completely changed the game on us like this and be like no. Y'all not listening. They have signed fucking contact. Okay and trump almost fucked it all up and then the aliens were like nah found dead that for a second because the people are not ready for us to do our grand reveal so if you could just sit on that we would appreciate that and donald trump was like bet and you know that's basically who our president is. He respects the agency of this. And it's like it's also talk down to you because we're we're we're having this conversation society right now about believing the scientists and buying into these people and like this guy is an academic super respect and he ran their space program. So this is somebody who we should buy into right. We should say. Like as probably. I need like for something like this. It's like oh. I need you to bring another few friends with the ratios aren't good here for this i need better ratios any like five other people who like y'all can actually be like yo yo. Okay we're not going to tell you about that. One mission look into that and then i would be like. Oh but what can i if valens are out there trying to get us to be more reasonable same where this vaccine come from is all of a sudden we had a vaccine is ninety percent accurate or come on. Do you think they didn't give that to us. What the fuck you think. I was talking about eve. Operation warp speed fucking uss. enterprise motherfuckers. There's no way. I was doing deals in constabulary and three six nine. Dash z is. No way he'd be able to Not brag about that shit. I actually brokering this deal right. Because he's gonna do we've heard about his negotiating tactics. He's gonna be in there like nice to meet you alien. People surprisingly calm this negotiation. But i just want to start off by saying fuck you. And he walks love shit. That is the main thing that keeps me from believing. This is the idea that trump would be able to put his own behind reiter. Good of the species relationship leaders. Yeah well stay. Tuned also stay tuned to what trump has to say when he's out of office connor. It has been fun having you memoir. Find you and follow you. Hey twitter instagram. I'm not super involved in twitter. it's development twitter other random sports tweets. That are useless. You can follow me on instagram. At connor del rio dude. And you can follow me on. I i make actually i know people got this idea about tiktok but i've got some pretty Make cool tiktok actually put Quite the amount of effort into them you can take horror movies and their allies on there and actually tried to do some things Seca follow me on tiktok as well and You can also if it's safe to do so. 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So it's no surprise at a main focus for her on the council and in her may all is getting small businesses. Back on track after devastating. The air to join us to discuss this for thoughts on school. Reopenings covid nineteen vaccine rollout as a head on boston. Public radio eighty nine seven g h much. You're you're listening to boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gp h good morning. Jim hither mortar. How're you next on thank you. How are you good good good. I'm good so on january twentieth. Nineteen sixty one during his inaugural address as you remember at least as you know. Jfk at appeal to public service with these famous words. Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Well forty years later. Citizens are still making good on his call to action but mainly because government has failed to do enough for its contrary in response to the states. Let's call it bumpy vaccine rolla. That's with the governor calls it it citizens have been shoring things up most recently. Is this story in today's global. I shouldn't laugh a somerville mom home on maternity leave. Founded massachusetts covid vaccination help which launched february twentieth and has already scheduled appointments for four hundred and fifty people. Then of course there is a libya. Adam she's going to be on my television show tonight by the way who's also was on maternity leave build our own vaccination finder website. One that helps solve one of the biggest shortcomings in the state system. Finding an available time slot state realize it all the people initially eligible for vaccines including those seventy five years and up weren't turning out in the numbers they anticipated. What did they do. Well created a buddy system learning at leaning again on resonance to help elders get an appointment. Courses did come with reward because they ended up getting a vaccine still the government had to ask for a bailout because it did not anticipate the lot of older people in the state don't have access to the internet and can't drive themselves to gillette for example so we're taking your calls asking. I guess it's our weekly check in. Is it disappointing. That it's taking non-government people everyday people working from home to bail the state out amid these really challenging times. Do we have the right to ask what our country or our state can do for us. Numbers eight seven seven. Three zero one eighty nine seven this story this morning about these mothers but it's not all mothers mothers leave. Could you describe a little bit. The people who have not read this thing. I always say basically some nursing. Mothers of massachusetts are taking control of the failed massachusetts state. Website there these really bright women. I'm very impressed because a lot of us couldn't even get out of a bathrobe. Brush our teeth when we were home being nursing mothers but between naps doing the laundry cooking the food taking care of the baby have rescued hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of massachusetts residents who unable to navigate this ridiculous website. Plus they're doing it for free. Plus one of the sites has been translated into spanish and portuguese. I mean it is it is. It is unbelievable. I think the state should hire them and pay them. But i think it's just it's just says something really pathetic about the government in the united states of america. Not just here you know when you think about what works. In united states of america government wise we could argue the military. We have a pretty damn good military. Non you to the firefighters. You know you call nine one one. The firefighters com. They put the fire out in your house. You hope and everything is fine that come to car accidents you could say we have trouble with the cops with with with racism and stuff but you know the cops are out there every day more or less keeping things i. What else works the united states. America's public school system doesn't work anymore. State government is taboo story about unemployment. These poor people have been out of Been unwell without their benefits for weeks sometimes months because of the dinosaur antiquated unemployment system the government basically fails in many areas in other states and thank god for these nursing. Mothers who've leapt into the breach jim. That's all i can say. You know what i did this morning. Two things one. I went on the unemployment website. Because you've mentioned the story in the globe and what it says is it says that the top so it is giving people notice if you have trouble with this. I wrote down if you have trouble with this website. Call a nursing mother for help so at least you know in a moment of serious. I've been trying to help a neighbor. Don't ask me details. Because i don't want embarrassed. This person get an appointment and who is person a couple of houses down who is not terribly internet savvy so state's website this morning. I've done this like nonstop leads last few days. When i'm not working. You have a nine minute wait it refreshes for those who don't think every ten seconds. I'm not sure you have a thirteen minute. Wait first of all. How does nine minute wait get longer. Don't go away then in almost took my breath away you have a one minute. Wait and this is by the way about ten forty something. I can get this done for her before we go on the air. The next refresh is ten seconds later after the one minute. Wait on my honor. I'm raising my right hand. You can see what's the next week after the one minute. Wait two thousand. Seven hundred and seventy six minutes reiter than a day is what it said in quotes. It went from nine minutes to thirteen minutes to one day to greater than a day and then went down to forty one minutes. And then i had to do the show. So you know if you wanna comment on these citizen resident activists who you gotta love the way i mean. It's pathetic as it is that they have to fill the gap that government has been unable so far to fill. But if you wanna talk about your vaccine travails. i can't tell you. I think every single person i know. Who's from twenty five to forty years old is doing. Virtually nothing other than trying to get really neighbor or their parents or somebody An appointment and and by the way a lot. Some decent things are happening. i wanna. We mentioned this yesterday. Masters went from the absolute bottom of the barrel. In terms of first dose is administered to. Now we're in the top five in the washington post ratings yesterday The governor was at morning star. Baptist church with the reverend borders with me tonight to. They're they are beginning to reach out in a more serious way in the communities of color. Marty walsh did a great thing the other day guaranteeing mandating that fifty percent of the shots given at at the reggie lewis center in roxbury have to be two people from the surrounding community having said that it up the fact that women on maternity leave who have other responsibilities in between those had been the most successful at providing right customer-friendly ways to get a vaccine appointment is an indictment of something lindsay holiday. She's not one of the A nursing mothers. As far as i'm sure your kids are older. She's a stay at home. Mother of three thirty seven years old. You work especially well. She's one of the volunteers. It's working on this. New website started by the nursing mother of a three month old. I don't really know she's nursing. Mother i presume she is most mothers or certainly loss of muscle makes better stories. Powerhouses a master laundry piling up. But she said it's worth it because it's so rewarding to call someone who said so much warriors and tell them we've got something something for them. I like i said before jim You know the roads are falling apart. The bridges are falling apart. The airports are falling apart. Everything's kind of falling apart. And i think what happens is for the most part you don't interact that often with the government you probably interact with your schools and registry most people motor vehicles registered. Customer services improved dramatically. Don't stand there you know in the wrong line for an hour and a half before find out where in the ron. Lemme all the little buttons and tells us about but in all seriousness for a second so much. Attention was focused on customer service understanding that we didn't open letters from other states talking about people whose license were suspended and as a result there. What is it. Seven dead motorcycles. I'm sure everybody has to interact with registry. Once they get a driver's license. Everybody has to be there of us. Don't involve the court system and when you get involved with the court system you can also leave. Were well okay. Jim have a rap sheet. You can't believe what a disaster it is. Most of us don't get involved in protective services. And when you are you can't believe what a mess that is so it's like a bigger picture here. Don't know if it's lack of money or lack of brains. Or what. But i think these very smart nursing mothers who are probably better paid in their jobs and it probably better coders than the ones we have up at the state of massachusetts working with better computers. I don't think it's a big surprise that they're able to outdo the common massachusetts so before we get to your calls. We rarely give advice to people. But i think it's important we do. You can call if you have a problem on the computer not great you can call two one one. I mean that's obviously the hotline number for the vaccine or you can call by write this down one eight hundred nursing eight seven seven three zero one eight nine. I just love it by the way one apparently has gotten one hundred seventy five thousand calls so may twelve thousand points. I'm not sure what to make of that. Is that a lot like seven centers on good or is that the one thing we have to say in all the one thing that baker is governor baker is obviously right about. I mean this is obvious but bears. Repeating is obviously this far greater demand than there is supply but doesn't explain why the website doesn't work like a go to amazon which were railing against every single day. Go to any major website. Forget major website go to a atoms website. The woman from fina health who set up her own access website and appointment website. They work like websites generally work and one last thing. When you go people have been talking about what was smooth. Operation is at gillette. Or fenway these other places who's running. Those health is is the government or private. Well they hire but that was in all fairness. That's not fair. The government hired. No the government hired them. They made the decision. I'm serious about this. They decided to contract that thing out. And by the way reggie lewis center was originally run by boston. Now it's run by elba's well So if they make those right decisions. Baker and his people deserve credit for that. So we gotta take some okay. I just have one lesson. How long are we going to operate. Like a third world country here or we. Can you know nursing trouble. They landed that that rover on mars. They are unbelievable. But but it it's sad. They're kind of the exceptions not the rule anymore. Caffeine conquers thank you for calling. What's up well first. Time caller Good news I got my vaccine today thursday. I was sitting next to my sister who just came out of Lung surgery and recovered and sitting next to an email popped up from our council on aging thing. That sign up. We gonna get shots on tuesday and so we went right to it and and five minutes from our house with news of lesson for her too. So i know i 'cause i just got so frustrated. Playing game felt like a lottery. I was trying to get into so I know it's frustrating for people but and the other thing is. They gave us the date that we can come back because Previously when my husband had his done at the company they they didn't know until a couple of weeks later when we left. They gave us a clip thing. Though by the way kathy really glad you called to start the show because you can literally hearing the voices of people that have been successful. How happy and satisfied they feel. And i'm really glad it happened and kathy. Thank you for sharing that with in. By the way we know on a positive note almost everybody i know who has been relentless and frankly they've had to work harder than they should without the help of your kid for example he rescued me of my friends but whatever it is is hard as it. Is it people either are getting or will get. That doesn't take away at all from the customer unfriendliness or the frustration or the fear but ultimately people are going to get it. It's just it's got to be more equitable and it's got to be smoother and right now it's not really either sofiane cambridge. Hi hi can you hear me. Yes okay so You know just like the movie hidden figures. There's always some great woman doing some really miraculous work. Seen exactly where we are and yet we still are making how many cents on the dollar compared to a man. Yeah yeah yeah and women's work as we know is a fee is not that much appreciated and you hear these heroic stories of people working in nursing homes many of whom are women and they're barely getting Above minimum wage. You know it's terrible terrible well. Good point sophia. And thank you for the goal by the way part of this Nursing mothers group as you like to refer it happens to be men for whatever it's worth. I mean if you read the globe story this morning there are some men in that group are helping as volunteers to book appointments started. Jim what do they start. No they did not. I mean you're right right. Mothers stepped up to the plate and got things got things you remember speaking of hidden figures before the movie can off. Do you remember. We had the author in a great. She was margot louis chevrolet or something. Yeah i think that's that was really great. That was about the women that did all the math women. Caller computers weren't they called the computers computers and and and this was one of the back way at the beginning of the space program. And i remember. There was one incredible scene in that movie when the Kind of the featured woman who just passed away Catherine ronson katherine johnson They asked her why took so long as she went to the bathroom and she had to explain that because she because she was black should go. You know like three buildings over. Choose the bathroom. Because she wasn't allowed to use the bathroom in the building where she was computing. These numbers nibbled The space program going. Anyway david frum denim. Thank you for calling david. Good morning thank you for taking my call. Pleasure is anybody. Is anybody surprised that massachusetts liberal br- bureaucracy is going to mess this up. Just like they messed up. The obamacare website rollout billions of dollars spent and wasted. This is a classic liberalism bureaucracy versus conservatives and of course the people are gonna rally fix it themselves when liberal government keep screwing things up. Why didn't we learn a lesson from the obamacare rollout. This should be easier and this is also a disgrace. Who surprised why. I'm surprised. quite bit. Conservative i mean. The liberal states are the ones that support the country david The conservative states of the ones that are depending on the federal government to get bailed out. So i don't really buy your argument. How do you find it. A liberal versus conservative thing. Because it's the people with the liberal bureaucracy big government that's screwing us up just like you screwed up the obamacare website. He couldn't do anything properly. And so the people have to rally like you're seeing these these women who are at home they they're there that's a conservative value. An attitude to you know what we're gonna do better than the government. People david with with respect i think a lot of this has to do with with the fact that we have antiquated systems. We don't want to spend money to update our systems like we don't want to spend money to update our our rose and and i'm not sure which massive government of nationwide program. Why can tell you talk for the console. Liberal government of donald trump totally screwed up the vaccine. Rollout david a good point. Thank you for the For the call by the way in fairness to david a lotta people think that big government. You and i have been debating this for years. I'm a big big government guy. You're critical of those who think big government can solve problems. Arkansas all problems. They should be able to help. Just see the cara swisher story the piece that she wrote about how essentially go fund me. Things are bailing out government when government is not bailing out. People who are need in this country. I mean there's some truth that process governments that needs to be some accountability. There needs to be some Measuring results. And i think that's that's one of the problems that we don't deal with very well anyway crawling from brookline high carton carlton jim in march I'm calling because. I'm kind of disappointed with the rollout. Because i'm listed for liver transplant and i have type one diabetes and i'm not To my surprise. I'm not eligible for the face to but Type two diabetes which is still an issue but arguably not as serious type one. Because type one. Your pancreas cannot produce any insulin type to your thinkers still does your body's just resistant is eligible and For my research. It's all based on lack of evidence which is kind of Kind of obvious or not based off of lack of evidence but there's more type two diabetics ninety percent of type diabetic. So it's type two so there's obviously going to be an easier time studying. You know the you know race. Risk and those people carlton tell you you are not alone amongst people who were suffering from things who didn't make on the priority two or more co morbidity lists. I mean one of the hopeful signs as you probably know. A particular segment of the asthma community was added. After there was a lot of lobbying from people like i honor presley and others but there are inequities build into this thing in carlton. We wish you luck and thank you for your call. I didn't know until several weeks into this thing. I've said this on the year before a few suffer from cancer but no other co morbidity. You're not eligible under this phase. You know the sixty five and older to come or biddies either so there are there are some inequities here. I have to say on balance. I think the priorities were right. The question is how do you get the vaccine into the arms of the priority people. That's been bumpy as governor baker. Kohl's it pc wants to know if the nursing mothers can do anything about the us. Postal service the irs. Not the way the irs. I don't know enough about the postal service. The irs as we discussed the other day with michelle single is grossly underfunded. A huge part. The problem i i would argue that a lot of our government is grossly underfunded previous caller was talking about liberal versus conservative. Would probably disagree with me. But i think we need more money and more accountability. Poor pieces taken seven weeks for her for her Estimated payment To get to the irs and keeps bouncing things back and forth in hartford louisville so the post office really run that well but now it's really tough shape. Well i mean actually. The postal service has run pretty. Well considering it's always why this always broken at the post office gymnasts postmaster the joys of fault. Blame it on him. He is his still. he's still there. You still there to be extricated. We take a break okay. We're gonna take a break. We are talking about singing the praises of the nursing mothers at massachusetts. The vaccine maternity taskforce asking you should we be proud of the people who volunteered to get vaccinated with of our government for making the so hard. Listen to eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston public radio. Marta regan jim brown. If you're just tuning in we're talking about a new kind of government bailout where it's people are taking up the slack coming up with new and improved ways to get people vaccine appointments. We're taking your calls asking you. Is this a good day for everyday people or a bad moment for government. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eighty nine seventy well. Surely not a good day for government. These stories are fabulous. You're not love these marjorie real people just in their spare time for the most part become problem solvers. I think it's really excites. It shouldn't happen but the fact that they are seizing. The moment is actually pretty inspirational. And jim points out. And he's right to be fair that the state contracting the website out to a private vendor pro mod And they are the gyms as says he's proud massachusetts state employees. Someone else forget. Wait wait wait wait. He's gotta be kidding. Th they contract out to prep mod and tiffany tate. The head of prep. Maude testified at the hearing last week that no one in the state called them the day before they expanded the eligibility pool by one million people so i think the issue falls back on the stage on the contractor who's website did not crash despite the massive influx of people nursing mother. Olivia adams a. She's a nursing. Mother returned wellik license. She's home with a newborn. Many women nurse their babies. So i'm taking some poetic license. I have not clouded libya to ask her whether or not. she's nursing her bottle feeding. He's on till i with ask please but i do want to out the somebody just emailed to say that the actual the scene of going to the bathroom was not in fact true that it was made up in the movie. So what the what. The scene of the woman in kevin johnson walking all that way to go to the bathroom was putting the movie so I'm i'm absolutely sure. I'm not sure i'm saying so i'll go with with the inner has to say on the road. Thank you for calling can how you doing. I had a very up and down experience and like you first caller. I got my backseat vaccination. Today rate yes and it was a trial and tribulation. I'm i belong to the second phase. you know i'm seventy three with to morbidity and on my computer computer illiterate written i have wi fi. I was on my computer at midnight. The days and i became eligible looking for an appointment and that was faster. And then when finally e I go there were People involved When they gave you the telephone number when you could call i called you got a very nice person who helped me through the process of look for a point mentioned. I said i'd go to north adams if i had to and They they basically said there was nothing. And i said okay. That's fine what try and she laughs us. I don't see anything till april. And and the last thing she said before i hung up and dismay was giving give your member. Give me your number and we'll call you back. And then a few days later so called back and lo and behold they find me an appointment and the girl who was on. The phone was telling me when she got the initial calls like i made. She never said an appointment when she gets the callback calls She sent a ton of appointments. So it's clearly an issue of people as opposed computers by the way. Did not woman called you back. Candidates you ask if she wasn't nursing mother. Did you not have the thrills. Thank you for the call. Thank you on a couple of of addresses by the way. I realize just got a text from a friend said to keep talking about olivia adam site the site. Ma covid vaccines dot com. That's the woman from athena. There's another place. Give out the the the one of the The nursing moms to what is that. I'm going to butcher this name but rastigayev is how it looked really massachusetts covert in capital letters vaccination. Help okay and let me give you one more thing Which actually the reason i thought of. This is because somebody. I know quite well just texted me and said when i gave them this information this morning in an hour they had an appointment so you go to twitter dot com the guy who put this together. It's going to be with the united to slash vaccine time and you enable notifications so you'll get notifications when appointments are available. The link is provided and again. This person got an appointment in an hour and she'd been frustrated for days so there are again. it is pathetic the have to give alternatives to the government thing. And i'll start you know. Let me just say again. When i said at the beginning. Someone's got to explain to me. Maybe tonight they will how wait time can go from whatever was nine minutes has a wait time. Get greater to one down to one. This is a space of a minute and then up to greater than a day. Just i really. I don't get it speaking of thaksin's foxborough we're gillette. Is and. Kim has calling us from fox for i can high. I'm calling from foxborough. But i'm not going to foxborough to nita m oh Add to a two atrium. Which is the medical groups. That i am a part of as patient and i actually sort of i. I didn't really cheat. But i did call on the very first day that they put in the the sixty five to seventy five people and everything crashed. I called before that. And i actually got a live person because i called the number that they gave you to call The two one one yup. And and i i went to said what this fellow the fella just a moment ago get and i gave them my number and they said they would call back and i didn't really believe them at all And then i did. Actually i did get calls. I got messages messages. Uncalled from Atrium and that they were on my health record my online app. But i would go to look for them. There was nothing eric. Find them but kim kim kim limit interrupt you and just ask you. We're talking about these nursing. Mothers doing the job state did what do you think about that. I am not a nursing mother. I think the nursing mothers are wonderful. Exactly that's what we're focusing on here. You know. I think that that is That is the perfect example. It's massachusetts is competing with texas right now. The fact that we have had to go dependent upon the nursing. Mothers were brilliant. Anyway they do. We gotta go tim. Thank you locking the call. I just got just got an email from cage. Who said hit. Her husband used to work with the healthcare with livy atoms. Let me tell you athena. Healthcare goes after the best of the best. Treat the employs well and do right by them. My husband six weeks paid paternity leave after our last child That's another issue should afford. He should have created a website then if he had six. I mean there's a lot of really smart coders out. There really brilliant people that are doing love code writing and they're probably doing better as the house and they would be working for the commonwealth of massachusetts. Don't you think. I don't know all i know is Yes i guess you probably. You're probably right. So that's it for that good luck. Everybody try those sites. We mention a follow that guy on twitter vaccine time and be relentless and It's hard. I know it's hard but we'll get there. You'll get there okay. Coming up. is it time for the aging sports fan to stop living curiously for the aging athlete sports authority joints for that and more. She's a heaven. Eighty nine seventy ph boston. Public radio welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady marjorie can move ahead mauri. Just one on twitter briefly during the break to see what was going on. It was intended to look into the vaccine thing. What almost every tenth tweet. A was that photograph of Andrew cuomo with his hands on the face of that young woman he met at a wedding I would say he's life is getting served by the day any case. Join us lying over. The latest headlines at the intersection of sports in society is trying to cause they're attorneys anchor and reporter for nbc. Sports boston also be pr contributor. Hey they're trying to kazaric vaccine of ask every week just see. I just wanted to make sure you're taking care of you gotta way to get there like my my daughter. Did it family. So i would not have to do it myself yet but thank you. Thank you very much. I'm very grateful to her she. I'm all about other people. It has nothing to do. With the fact i wanna companion shot marjorie. Okay sorry about that trying to nerik but anyway we have some sound of this. We're gonna plan this compilation. Tiger woods of course is very badly injured in a car. Accident Several days back and a lot of people have honored him golfers maintenance ground crew etc by wearing red shirts in his honor his little compilation on the tiger woods shirts. There's rory mcilroy said he was going to wear the red and black for the first time in his pga tour career lend that support for tiger woods and areas. We've seen tiger woods who inspired tony fee. Now is a kid to get into this great game wearing the hat backwards all the time. Well maybe tony's doing that on purpose he walks onto the golf course today. I hope he knows that we're supporting them. Because that was a lot for me to do that. By the way that lasts voices. Phil mickelson who went out and bought a redshirt because they didn't have one so he could wear it on the final round. I mean i watched. I think it was an hbo the kind of story of tiger woods life. It was terrific. People haven't seen it particularly the first half showed him growing up as a young man becoming just a phenomenal golfer. But this was really can say. Try heartwarming i guess Yeah and you know what's funny is that there. There's always sort of this idea for a long time. I'm sure that tiger because she was so hyper competitive He was a little standoffish earlier in his career. Think before some of his problems from two thousand nine i'll spend again in two Twenty seventeen that at times like they're you know there was this idea that like him and phil mickelson. Didn't get along and that they were you know that when he would golf with other guys and it wasn't always very cordial at times but like many of us as he got older i think more comfortable in his skin in this celebrity You know he became. I think more money more well liked on tour. I just thought this was a really cool gesture by everybody. Because what can you do right like. What can you do for someone who's lying in a hospital. You can send flowers or text messages and all that means something. But i'm not sure if you guys saw that. Tiger woods did see from his hospital bed in los angeles. He saw this tweeted about it on. And you could tell even just. I know it's just words and it's just a tweet but he was really it. Seemed like he was really genuinely touched by the gesture that all of these people were sort of pulling for him and for for those who are saying why why would they wear red and black. I don't understand you know that what that means tiger woods At the suggestion of his mother theoretical power color started wearing red on sundays and he only did it on sundays whether he was at the top of the leaderboard or at the you know barely made the cut he would always show up in black black slacks Red polo shirt and often with his backward when he walked in and then he turned around. The you know the craft way When he took the course but it was sort of sort of this iconic thing right like tiger wears red on sundays. So this past sunday on the pga tour. That's by all those is Did that and many of them didn't wear red because it was tigers thing. That's why so mickelson had to go out and get a red polo. Because you wouldn't do that because that's titus. Well it this like kind of slide into something else. You want to talk about with you this. This kind of aging americans obsession with aging athletes. Keep going forever. Never talking about tiger was forty five. No yeah yeah. He is forty five. he's he's a little than i. It's like a year and a half older than me. And i'll be forty. Four and april and serena williams. Who i believe is about to turn forty. She's thirty nine she's she's also pushing she's pushing forty. I believe her sister. Venus forty or forty one. yeah. I read the renee graham Column i don't know if you guys want to set it up quickly. You know a suggested like we're all so obsessed with these with these athletes and then they keep pushing further and further and when something like this happens with tiger woods. The conversation isn't about whether or not walk again but whether or not he'll ever played ball again and you know i've seen where she's coming from. But i also feel like you know times have changed and and the way we treat our body and athletes treat their bodies have changed which allowing for a longevity right like. I'm not so sure that tiger woods continues to play golf for serena williams continues to play tennis for tom. Brady continues to play football. Because there are a group of rabid fans who find joy in their performance. Or if you're an older person like me say well. Jesus tom brady. You can still do it. Why can't i still be a weekend warrior right like i can still go do it. I think it's in large part because we have advanced medical care now. An advanced physical care that allows players and athletes to play for a much longer amount of time And these athletes are such an elite status. That they're chasing history. Tiger woods has been chasing. Jack nicklaus right. He's been trying to get to eighteen. Majors serena williams is chasing margaret court for twenty four majors. Tennis tom brady. I don't know what he's chasing. This point like nobody's him. In my estimation. Tom brady is in a way chasing his afterlife by post football right because his whole thing is it. B twelve method ensures that your body stays in a in a state of peak performance. Much longer than anything else you could possibly do so the longer heap plays football at a high level and says oh this is because i don't eat nightshade. I drink eighteen gallons of water every day. Right that bolsters. His brand And so i think it's bad. I don't know if it's so much that we have created this culture where they can't quit. I just think that when you're that put it something. It's really hard to walk away. And i don't think we talk enough either about what happens when people do walk away from sports and how empty it becomes. Because for many of these athletes in tiger serena you know those kinds of athletes in particular. You're playing these sports from the time that you can walk. You know tiger a golf club at like two or three years. Old same with serena williams tennis racket. She was really so no nothing else in your entire life. It's not just the sport it's not just a you know an activity anymore. It is who you are. It defines you as a person Your worth your your monetary worth your personal worth your emotional health like all of that. I mean it has to be incredibly difficult to walk away from that life and think about what your existence is. When you're not that person anymore and i think that's the hardest thing to walk away from him. I wanna go from the sublime grades. One through one. Quick thing on this. I was just saying that tiger. Hbo special that talked about how he began this training. Workout strength training regimen. That changed everything for him. And you think you think of golfers. I mean when i was a little kid lee trevino. Who looked like he you know he. He was one of the first. Tiger woods was one of the first who did like weight training sort of stuff and you think about. I'm sure. I don't know what serena williams regime is but i'm sure it's pretty impressive and obviously we all know about tom. Brady pliability things. So i think that makes a lotta sense You don't see people smoking. You don't see people doing what what's other the good example. One of our colleagues just typed a note to us another great example of a golfer. Who's in fabulous shape. Donald trump. i mean he is now that is a really about it. You do think about it though you think back to like you know back in the day you went if you look at video from the eighties. Seventies the eighties. I i mean. I don't even know about the early nineties but definitely the seventies and eighties. We're like baseball players. Football guys like smoking in the locker room at halftime. They're they're going out and getting absolutely blasted on bourbon the night before game like now these guys. Are you know via kid or they follow a strict diet. And they're you know you're getting like if there's so many things now that we know that we didn't know back then like i remember hearing stories at baseball about like was like cocaine and club houses in the eighties seventies and eighties guys. Get crazy before game and going out and pitching and it's just in playing baseball. It's crazy to me how much things either my first start of. Us can believe. Even when i started in baseball. I don't know if you guys ever heard this term greenies were a thing occur and they were basically like an upper right no of speed right because it gave you focus and concentration but also you'd be playing all of these games executive days and then finally baseball was like hold on a second. This is real problem da and they outlawed them but that was commonplace like i. I never thought anything of it early in my career because it was so ubiquitous like even dies going out a really partying hard on the road like the longer i stayed in baseball travel at teams like it was it was a pretty seismic shift where you went. Revise staying out all night partying on the road. You know seeing them in bars and clubs to all of a sudden it was less and less and less and less because they found out if they took care of their bodies they could maximize their career but also their earnings. Like where else are you gonna make all of that money doing something you absolutely love. you know. that's that's pretty. There are very few professions. You can literally make your top star. Tens of millions sometimes hundreds of millions of dollars for playing a game. So as i said. I wanna go from the sublime to the ridiculous. I read dan. Shaughnessy column this morning. And at first. I didn't know if he was joking or not. I wanna read the first paragraph this thing two games in the spring training and we have a solution for the twenty twenty one. Red sox the little league mercy rule. It's a new preseason thing if you're getting crushed by your opponent you can stop an inning. Once you're pitchers thrown more than twenty pitches in frame. Alex cora's the red sox manager ran up the white flag three times in a seven inning game on monday. Is this true. Yes yes i mean. I think it's a way to not wear your pictures down during spring. Training to not hustling train games drags you're not playing like an eighteen to to spring training game and you're going through all of your players before you've even got the third inning but like i like the larger point is how far of the red sox fall. I ain't know it's spring training. It's just two games like they're just. They're finding their footing. Whatever it's really not that big a deal at the end of the day like this story was on. Cnn this morning about the red side really. Yes i have a friend who does cnn and she hosts like her. You know her sports catholic. She does for the morning show. She posted on her instagram. And it was like that was part. Her producer put that in is part of the know part of her sports cats. Like it's it's kind of ridiculous when you really think about it but especially because when you think of the red sox you think of this legendary championship winning huge payroll team and instead you've got. These guys. were like uncle the second inning. We can't do it anymore. Like we don't ask a million. Yes spring training like humiliating three times in two games. But shaughnessy column me. Laugh a lot. I also thought it was very funny that he had to get some weird streaming app in order to even watch the found. But that's i'm gonna converse like having a tax conversation with some friends in the industry this morning like that's the direction people don't understand but that's the direction television going. I'm not sure if you guys have noticed lately but you cannot watch anything on. Tv without there being an ad for peacocks shooting survey disney plus. Yes hair amount. That's because guys that's that is where. Tv is going. Tv is is so lowly or not so slowly shifting to like streaming services like. I don't know if you watch a lot of i love. Hgtv but like every other commercial is for this discovery. Plus where you can get the like. There are shows that i used to just watch on. Hgh hdtv or like food network. That i can't see anymore. Unless i subscribe to discover how many streaming services can i subscribe to but at some point. You're going to have to stream sports. It will not just be over the air it will go to a pay for streaming service by the way. Don't send us. There's no truth to the rumor that our bosses were suggesting we have a mercy rule in bed segment like it's seven minutes in we just can't get it and that would be useful. I used rule. Like isn't a part of you. That wish they would institute the mercy role in the regular season. Because then you wouldn't have to sit at fenway park if you're watching like a crummy game and you paid for good seats and it's like not that nice outside. The beer is a little flat. i'd rather just. We're in the middle of three taken two hours to play three innings. Either part of me. That's like maybe just make this a regular season bag so traffic is for those who don't know of your background. Beyond what do every single night You've done as much on in the world of mental health as you've done in the world of sports to your credit and you've been relentless about i read this story about. I think it's pronounced. Theo fleury who's a former nhl player. I kinda tell. I never heard of them but it appears that he is dedicated. His i guess twenty year post pro hockey life to the same. 'cause tell us a little bit about him. Yeah i'm going to be honest. I mean i covered sort of remember the name. But i don't really remember the player but when theo fleury played i think he was most no. I happened to calgary flames. If if i'm remembering correctly he struggled with substance abuse and when he struggled with it. It was seen as this. Will you just need to get it together. I don't know what your problem is. You know you have all this great life before you and i can't you figure it out. Why can't you stop drinking. Why can't you stop using drugs. And it cost him his career. What could have been a very lucrative career. And he was in and out he talks about how he was in and out of rehab and that each time even if it didn't work fully each time he took away a different lesson a different less than a different lesson to where he's gotten today where he really fully understands the grips of addiction. And it's it's you know it being part of the mental of the overall mental health tree. And you know he talks creek candidly about being in a sport Like many of our you know our athletics Especially in the united states and canada and there being this stigma around talking about mental health or addiction. How many people turned to drugs and alcohol to cover up things that they have gone through traumas in their life but never talking about those traumas and feeling the need to always put up this facade of being the strong. You know pro hockey player type of person you know nothing should bother you. You should be able to push through any kind of emotional or physical pain and continue to keep going And he thinks that's all a bunch of bs to be quite honest and he really wants to use his voice in his experience to help a younger generation of players just young generation of people in particular men on or even more stigmatized. I think in that area than others to teach people to to recognize symptoms to understand addiction to understand mental health issues and really get people on board with seeking out the help that they needs. Starting podcast he's going to you know just sort of really talk openly share stories and talk about what he went through and what others went through in hope that it reaches someone much sooner than it reached hip which i think it seems to me and this is only anecdotal. You know. i'm just type authorizing. That sports is poorly as it's done so many things that mattered a society as a whole. This is one area where they seem to be growing up. I don't know if you've seen these commercials. I didn't think about it until you were just speaking. Non stop with the jamir. Say who owns. I think the indianapolis colts. He's the guy the baltimore colts out of time in the middle of the night and he says and i'm not a huge fan of his but the until i saw this. He talks about mental health issues and how important they are going to focus on them and then they switched to a player whose name i can't remember. I feel horrible about it. Who gives a heartfelt twenty seconds about how you know. Don't hide these things. Seek help all the kinds of things i think. Particularly pro athletes men Shabby talking about just like What's his face. A great swimmer is doing those trials for the michael phelps at it is changing it to a degree is it. Is it not trying. Because there. I think so. I think that we have made great strides As a society in the fact that it in terms of talking about it right in terms of people feeling more comfortable to come forward not everybody does. But i think a lot more people feel comfortable saying. Hey i suffer from that too. I've dealt with that before. Let me tell you my story Let me go on a commercial for blue. Cross blue shield or for the indianapolis colts of the nfl or the nba. And talk about what i have dealt with what i have gone through now where it hasn't translated in my opinion. Is we talk about mental health all the time in this country to me the second pandemic or epidemic from the pandemic is a mental health crisis and yet to me where. What's what's frustrated me. The most is an advocate. Not spear is that everyone talking about it in recognizing how important mental health is and that it's not separate mere physical health. You still can't find fricken therapist to save your life. There was just a huge article in the new york times. i like. I think it was last sunday's new york times about how people will wait months to get in even a virtual appointment. Everybody is booked and we don't have enough people. It's it's not accessible. It still saw them. Don't take fight xactly. They don't take insurance financially out of reach so to me. I hope the next stephanus process is these sports leagues and these people with influence at money and power. You know really push government to say we have got to get something in place that this makes it acceptable for everyone. Hey thanks a lot trying to kids an anchor and reporter for nbc sports boston and abi pr contributor coming up. Boston city councilor at large nisa. Saba george joins us to talk about her. Economic recovery. Plan for the city of boston. She's next one eight nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. I on boston public radio. This spring court said to hear major voting rights case today the could give state legislatures power to change voting laws and restrict access to the ballot. Rows of the aclu of massachusetts joins us discuss. What's at stake is the court examines provision of voting rights act. And then later we'll take your calls and do it yourself home improvement you've done or at least dreamed of during the pandemic is read across america day originally coinciding with dr seuss birthday. The jiang has shifted is focused. He inclusivity in literature. We'll be joined today by some mom living that ideal silja joshi started an independent publishing house to amplify kids literature. That reflects her family's own indian identity. Jochen join us to discuss the lead for more diversity in the publishing world. That's ahead on boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gp h You're listening to boston. Radio eighty nine seven gb. h logan. Jim hey there margaret. By the way. I just you know i do very very well. I just did that the mail every day. God side for about ten seconds. It is really cold at one below with the wind. Chill so in boston. Small business have been among the most serious casualties of the krona virus. A recent study out of harvard. This is incredible. Finds a number of small businesses opened in. Boston has decreased by. Could this be true. Forty four percent since january of twenty twenty. Boston city councilor large. Isa saba georgia's focused on this this week. She's launched a ten day tour to get boston businesses back to business as usual. She joins us online and talk about this. The state of reopening boston public schools and more. And i think most of you know. She's a candidate for mayor of boston. Counselor it's good to talk to you. Thanks come back. it's nice to talk to you too. Thanks for having me on. We'll get to the the The business trails on your plan in just a second. But i'm gonna ask you we've been talking to your listeners for days now about the rather disastrous Disaster roll out all across the state You you've been very invite phyllis in you've been critical this. What do you think. I'll which part. Yeah any part. Pick apart Obviously it's been a really difficult time and making sure that we are getting the vaccine into the arms of all of our residents especially our vulnerable residents especially our residents who are disconnected. I think in many ways from services and then like to add to it are teachers. We need to make sure that we're getting our teachers vaccinated quickly. I as schools continue to reopen. We saw a more kids returned to the classroom this week. And we'll continue to see that over the next couple of weeks especially here in boston. We don't get a lot to. Do you know speaking of teachers. Let's focus on that for a second counselor as you know. The speaker of the house said they should be moved up to the top list. Charlie baker said no yesterday. I think it was a couple of legislators. Sent a letter to governor beggars saying that when the johnson and johnson single-dose vaccines make it to massachusetts. And we just heard on the news the first those is made it here. They should be reserved for teachers right now as you know. They're in the essential worker category. Which probably won't be reached for at least a few weeks. Are you suggesting in your comment. Minute ago that they should be pushed to higher up the priority scaled and where the currently are. Oh yeah. I absolutely agree with that. We had a resolution on the city council at something that a number of us has testified in commented about publicly are teachers need to be pushed off on that list. Absolutely so should we wait till the two zero vaccinated before the kids get back to school. That seems not to be what's happening. They're starting back. Yeah that's not what's happening and doesn't need to be what's our kids have been in our school buildings since september there was obviously a small break but many of our high needs kids have been in school across our city All and Just this week we start. Adding more kids. Don't forget there are many catholic schools and private schools across the city of boston. That have been fully in person since september right so a teachers across the board boston teachers private school teachers catholic school. Teachers need to be a priority but they remain in have remained in the classroom all of this time. Can we just one more second on this. Though as you know. I guess it was two thursdays ago. I believe the governor added or moved to the sixty five and overs and people to more co morbidity. that's a million additional people. Were getting somewhere. I think the neighborhood of one hundred and thirty thousand doses a week so that if every single one of them wanted to be vaccinated forget the people in the first phase many of them were not yet vaccinated. That's eight weeks alone. You add educators. That's gotta be at least a couple of hundred thousand people statewide not just teachers but others who work in in the schools. Isn't that more of a symbolic gesture. Then a real one. i mean. they're not unless the johnson and johnson vaccine is reserved for them. I don't know if you support that initiative. That i mentioned they're just gonna join a class of more than a million people who were trying as hard as they can get a vaccination. Some of whom are gonna wait six seven eight weeks to get there even if they're in the current eligibility group right right well. I think it's an interesting idea to reserve. Johnson and johnson one Four teachers and other educators across both our city and of course is city councilor at large and as a mayoral candidate. You know. I'm focused on our teachers who are in our schools across our city. But i think that's an interesting idea and something that we should absolutely explore. But i also think that the the delay in or the an adequate number of vaccines is something that we have to address both as a city of st certainly the federal government. We need to make sure that we are producing enough vaccine. And we see that we clearly aren't but also recognizing we think about demand on this vaccines bad. Many of our residents are not yet comfortable getting the vaccine. For for lots of different reasons we have to certainly promote the efficacy and safety of the vaccine but realize that some of our residents who are maybe continuing with high solution continuing with Staying at home and and practicing very safe behaviors and not needing to engage in the public may wait a little bit longer to get the vaccine and that hopefully will free up some more vaccines and we continue to work on it. Both in some of these larger rollout sites through our community health centers. And you see that. This week. Boston mass will be piloting a program around had targeting and and getting that vaccine to some of our most vulnerable residents across the city who are unable for host of reasons to get out and get the vaccine at one of these other sites are. We're talking to boston. City councilor largeness a asaba george. She's running for mayor of city boston before we get to the same just laborat- on you mentioned that the catholic school has been opened. Private schools have been opened and the kids have been in those schools in person. Do you think is that mean that you think we waited too long to get kids back in the school as you probably saw that horrible store in the glow about forty percent of the kids that are high school. Juniors and seniors in boston are chronically absence and people are concerned educators. Teachers are concerned that they may just give up in highschool altogether. Why say the former high school teacher and boston. As the and as a parent of four highschoolers we need to get our kids in school at and it has been very long time in too long for too many of our kids. I do worry again. I'm a former high school teacher. I worry about the lack of engagement by many of our kids and what that means for them both academically and socially and what sort of impact. That's going to have on them for the rest of their lives. Both again In their careers and their entry into the workforce and on their mental health. We have significant issues when it comes to the inadequate and lack of access to the resources and support services that our kids need across the board added to it the learning loss that's occurred and the growing achievement gap that we are going to continue to see our most vulnerable and our our poorest kids in our communities of color. Those children are ones that are going to hurt the most. They have the least amount of access to resources. And that gap continues to widen and we will see a tremendous impact on this union population for. I fear a generation to come so what. Let's be clear you'd like to see the teachers get pushed up. I in priority. But even if they don't you think the kids gonna be back in school whether they're pushed up the priority or not. Yeah no. I'm happy that boston kids are returning to school. More kids and return to school. I don't want to miss the point that so many of our kids have been in building. Yup these last however many months and teachers have been there with them in the boston public schools and then of course and the catholic and private schools. Teachers have been in person with classrooms full of kids. We need to move the vaccinate our teachers and at the same time. Get more of our kids back into the classroom. So they can appropriately access. They are clap their academic officer educational opportunities. We're talking a niece asaba. George city councilor large and also a candidate for mayor of boston. By the way that people notice the other day we governor baker signed the bill that canceled this even if even if Marty walsh is not confirmed secretary of labor till i don't know what his late march early april. There will not be that early elections. So we don't have to go through three elections this year in boston and only be two one more thing on the vaccine front. You're apparently one of the driving forces i believe beyond this mobile site thing staffed by e. m. t.'s. Which i guess is at least in part an effort to solve one of the most difficult challenges people who were disabled people who can't get to sites poor people people of color that sort of thing. How does how is it determined. Who gets the shots from. I love the idea of these mobile sites. It's totally necessary. Who gets a shot is it. Is it you go to a neighborhood. And whoever shows up or is there a sign up has his work. Well so we're working on that pilot now In working certainly in conjunction between our health and human services department under the leadership of chief martinez as well as Men and women at ems. You know one of the challenges that we see. And we've seen this across all of our vaccinations sites is there is a lack of vaccinations so we have to be very intentional. And specific about how we will roll out this Mobile unit and we'll work to do that Over the next couple of days. 'cause we're we're starting this pilot the end of the week so i'm excited To get to it and to make sure that our residents across our city especially those that have the mobility issues has who have some. I think very significant and real fear about going to health centers about going to these larger vaccination sites about going to hospital. This is a way to connect with those residents. An offer The vaccinations they need. We're talking to a niece asaba. George who's running for mayor of boston. So tell us you. You've been a small business person. Running yarn shop right. So mittens underway. Jim so tell us about your get boston back to business. Or what are you doing. Well at first they jim nigger never run out of young. There's always more yarn. But you know i think that you we have to. We have to get boston back to business. And i think in your intro you mentioned you know back to normal business. There's no going back to normal business. Our businesses across our city You know they've done a lot a tremendous amount of work to stay in business. We know too. Many of our shops have closed During this time and number of them are in you know. Quote unquote hibernation period. And i hope that they are going to reopen on the other end of this but we need to make it easier for businesses to get back engaged Make sure that we're building consumer confidence that we're creating opportunities for them. to to reopen to re-engage we've seen as you've noted the governor eased some of the the restrictions. This week. We need to make sure that businesses are able to do that They're able to do it safely. Certainly and that. They're able to continue to engage with our residents across the city of boston. We see still. Some businesses are missing. Some of the supports that they need to access some of that federal money to access some of the ppp and the the local grants both at the city and the state level. We need to make sure that. We're holding the hands of these businesses during this time and and that over the next couple of months that we're also creating opportunities for businesses who are prepared to grow or reopen and open new entrepreneurs see challenges and conflicts and struggles as a new opportunity. That we're also. We're also doing that. We've vacancy unfortunately high rates that they can see across our city so there's lots of components to this but reengaging bought reengaging bostonians in getting back into our businesses is really you know it's it's key to their success especially over these next few months. How do you feel you know. The governor made the announcement last week on the same day that the legislature rather oversight hearing that. Major venues like fenway march twenty second twelve percent capacity but more immediately starting yesterday a whole variety of The restrictions are removed or change for example. No capacity limits in restaurants are still time limits number of people per debacle that sort of thing recreational facilities those sort of things up to fifty percent. Boston held back to a degree on some of those openings. And i'm sure you've heard people like rachelle will end ski who formerly of m. g. h. o. I think is still on. One of the governor's task forces here. She's now of the cdc along with dr fauci urging leaders like our governor not to be moving too quickly to be reopening for fear that we create an environment in which we end up worse than The direction we've been going were you on this balancing act. That leaders have to do to try to put people back to work. Keep businesses afloat at the same time not to create another surge. Well i think for sure reopening our economy and supporting our small businesses. The key element of that is making sure that we're rolling out the vaccine In a quicker way and making sure that the production rates are up and in getting that out because that helps build consumer confidence. I think at the city level especially developing that confidence strengthening. That confidence in our local economy is a really important component. And you know certainly. I want anyone. Who's doing business in person whether you're going to a shop a specialty retailer in a in a restaurant for dining that you're doing it safely and we have those precautions in place especially here in the city of boston but also encouraging our residents are patrons to support businesses and other ways there's opportunities to certainly continue to do take out certainly to do curbside pickup when it comes to retailers to engage with businesses online. Although we need to make sure that we're supporting our local businesses so that they can do those things so they have the tools to engage with consumers and customers online and then also i encourage anyone that can and is able to purchase a gift certificate to us down the road. Our businesses of all types need access to capital access to cash and local support is critical to that when we look at our neighborhoods As one particular set of challenges and when we are business districts in our neighborhoods. We look at our downtown with offices. Still not yet returning in any sort of significant way to the workplace. Those businesses there are truly suffering if go into downtown crossing for example It's almost a wasteland and the work that needs to happen to help those businesses. Come back and come back strong. You know get back to businesses where calling it. There's a tremendous amount of work and support that we need to to lend to businesses in a very different way and he saw joyce. Tell some of the stories you've heard from your constituents that have small businesses any that stick with you. That were yeah. I mean you know a big part of it is just not being prepared for this pandemic a year ago simply struggling to keep their head above water over this last year and many of our local business owners are like me get parents. They've got kids doing school from home. They're worried about that parents who might be sick or You know trying to maintain some isolation so that they can remain healthy worried about getting the vaccine worried about what's going to happen when it comes to every month for that business. I mean these. The challenges are real across the board. And you add. Yesterday i was in grove hall in our businesses that didn't have access to the technology are trying to on board back. All of the sudden they have to conduct business online. Which until last year they were doing it all in person and then again the access to the cash access to the capital. And if you don't have a strong relationship with your local bank your banker. It's harder and harder than ever to get to have access to some of those grants in the federal. Ppp options so last thing for me and he says george who is a city councillor in boston running for mayor you may or may not be aware that i serve one lustiest term. They city counselor in cambridge. Thank you marjorie for that. And i have to say get exactly. That's perfectly put. Counselor i have to say one of the most troubling parts of that in some attributed to the way we elect people in cambridge is there was a lot of competition amongst the councillors on a lot of issues and a lot of times. There was not support for something you were she or he cared about For fear that would hurt. You're standing with your own voters. And the reason i asked that question is there are three of you already from the city council who are running for mayor and by the way. I think it's fabulous sincerely that so many really talented people are running. However you have three of you already Let's assume for argument's sake that the soon to be acting mayor Becomes the candidate herself. You have four candidates who were trying to demonstrate to the people of boston. They're the best person to lead them. Come the end of the year. How does that not inhibit the ability for collaborative work in the interests of everybody here and i know you're gonna say it does an but really your goal is to convince people in boston. And you're the best city councilor become mayor. Not michelle wu. Not kim cheney andrea campbell. How do you work together. Well i think that we have demonstrated over our years and service and Michelle has been in office seven myself and andrea dive. Counselor jeanie Three or four. Now i think that it's you know we've demonstrated that the last few years that we were running for mayor right arno. But i do think it's important for for the next mayor which i certainly hope it's me that i've been able to demonstrate and we'll continue to demonstrate my ability to work in partnership with others and i think a mayor of this city mayor of any city but particular boston as mayor. I need to be able to work in partnership and in collaboration with colleagues on the city council with colleagues at the state house with colleagues in the federal government. That's an really important position and attribute for the mayor of boston to be able to do that and we need to If we wanted to be successful in this in this endeavor I need to be able to demonstrate that. I can do that. And we'll continue to you that everyone who's announced that they're running for mayor loves. The city wants to work for the people of this city. I hope to do that. And i hope to to lead by my experience. Both being a businesswoman business owner building a business and a classroom teacher. Thirteen years in the classroom that i am best suited for for that leadership position to run this city to leave the city or a lot of work to do go lot of work to get one last the most important question. Are you going to deliver the mittens. Or do i have to go all the way over there and pick them up. What what's what's personally deliver. Okay de way lutely okay. Thank you very much great to talk to you. Thanks so much for your time. We appreciate have a great day. Thank you you too. That was boston. City councilor at large nissan sabi. George he is running for mayor of boston and we appreciate her joining us coming up. The aclu is on mission to end systemic racism by promoting systemic equality. The aclu's carol rose joins us for that conversation and more next an eighty nine seven gbh. Boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady madrid and trump's voter suppression agenda which he aggressively pushed at. Cpac is an agenda that resonates well beyond the walls of the gaylord convention. Center in orlando florida after twenty. Twenty six star turnout. Republicans in nearly every state pushing new voting restrictions and today to spring court will hear a major case. Decide how those new rules should be judged under federal civil rights law joining us to talk about this and other news at the intersection of politics policy and civil liberties rose. Carl is the executive director of the civil liberties union of massachusetts carole. Go to speak with you here. Hey cow rose great to talk to you so give us a little bit of a of background before we get to. What's actually happening now because I believe in. If i'm wrong. John roberts didn't think there was a problem with voter suppression when he so called gutted. The voting rights act a few years back and let us right And that leads to mess. Yeah that's right that's exactly right marjorie So that was back in twenty thirteen and a decision colds shelby holder and that basically gutted the voting rights act article five had a pre clearance requirement. That said that you know states that have a history of discriminatory anti voting laws right Can't make new changes to how you vote without first getting pre clearance from the department of justice And that that's a lot Since the voting rights act was passed to make sure that the state that had a history of repression voter suppression Couldn't do that in more well in two thousand and thirteen. When justice roberts wrote so the opinion until the beholder they got it voting like that article five leaving us only with article. Two two is the poked enforcement. So there's still no pre-clearance but at least now under article two if there are discriminatory Efforts voting rights Suppression at least. Now there's some kind of resources in the court under article two and that's what the court is looking at today whether they're going to also get rid of that which was really be even greater blow to evaluate and protection of voting our democracy without getting lost in the weeds the minor standing of these two arizona restrictions which most sane people think particularly target poor people and people of color one says if you vote in the wrong precinct. Your ballot is tossed. And frankly i can understand that in terms of your local race but the practice in arizona from what i read is. Your ballot is tossed eight y grace. It doesn't really matter what precinct you're voting in and secondly more troubling is there's a their limitations on this the ability of someone to deliver your ballot to an official Location they want to inhibit that dramatically to something. That trump talks about a lot. What's what's most troubling to me. And i hope i read this wrong carol. Rose is the biden. Justice department apparently thinks the arizona restrictions are okay. Well you know. I i think we want the biden administration to to take do the right thing. Here they've just come into power. They think they're they. Were they inherited this case. And they haven't yet the right thing and say let's throw it out And that's the thing to do but what's really interesting about these restrictions with this says is in places nearly on indigenous native american reservation. Where people live down you know roads far far away through things what happens is neighbors. Come by like going to the post office. Can i pick up and take mails for anybody. Pick up meals for anybody. I mean these are the kinds of things that are common. So this is clearly an effort to try to prevent the native americans and other indigenous people as well as other people of color who might live in distant rural areas away from post offices and from voting precincts and stuff It's trying to prevent them from being able to vote. And that's where the aclu and others have have filed an amicus brief in this case And the democratic national committee is finally as the main challenge or in the case. Basically just say this is so clearly has the racially different impact. It's a clearly as aimed at trying to prevent these people from voting. That it is unconstitutional. Just let me just understand the big picture. If i can because now i'm sorry even got into the details. The reason why you and others do what you do think we should all be. Concerned is while the facts in this case related to specific regulations laws. Whatever they are in arizona you and others believe that if the spring court comes out in favour of these restrictions or voter suppression methods under the voting rights. Act that that's an indication that they're probably going to allow virtually everything. These republican legislatures around the country are doing is suppressed. The vote is that it. There's that's that's exactly the concern. Is the question that it would right. And and we're seeing primarily especially in places like georgia and arizona and other places That are you know somebody said georgia wasn't ready. It was always blew the votes. Were just depressed right front. And so we're seeing already just in the last couple of months over a hundred and sixty five proposals and state legislature tiger. Nearly across the south to try to prevent people from being able to exercise their right to the fundamental right in a democracy is the right to vote and full-scale attack that seeing taken by these a frankly republican-controlled state legislators against people of color and trying to prevent them from voting is one of the scariest attack on our democracy that i've seen in my lifetime And if the supreme court doesn't uphold article too Then it's going to be very hard indeed to enable people to protect divisive. Well i mean. I would think i. I've thought a million times. I watched You know efforts to suppress the vote in two thousand twenty all around the country. Gee i hope. John roberts's learned his lesson realize he made a big mistake. I i like to think maybe he has. But what about the other conservative justices. I mean what is the expectation. Well so you know robertson's joined by the other conservative justices at the time and now he has to more Who are with him. So i mean right now. There's the six to three conservative. Majority you no one. Can hope that roberts as you say merger. We'll have seen the devastating impact that the gathering of article five had on the rise of voter suppression tactics from things. Like pull votes to trying to outlaw drop-offs out but we saw it in texas thought michigan. Wisconsin we started kansas This is just gone wild since shelby county decided in twenty thirteen and so now the notion that they would further up the is sort of unbelievable to people about democracy in the right to vote at the same time You know there seems to be A roberts in particular in some ways he's been seen i guess the thing vote but really on voting rights he's been pretty bad consistently and since he authored shelby county case All watching the trepidation of what's going to happen. Now we're talking to carol rose from the aclu cow what is going on with these The remain in mexico policy and asylum seeking families right so so something. Some good things have happened since the binding ministration came in In in my yorker sticking the head of homeland security So we've seen some stripping of some of the worst things so for example. We thought decision on the muslim ban which targeted people from our country of lucena moratorium on seventy four -tations of re commitment to keep the dreamers here and people here on temporary protective status and termination border wall construction. So there's a lot of good things. And i think it's important that we Ah stay that allow that. In fact there's been a lot of change. What's going on with immigration But there's still a lot that to be done so Here in massachusetts we still have pending cases of to try that. Were reuniting families from people who were trapped in these horrible camps on the mexican border where they've come to the united states seeking asylum which they have a right to under the law but rather than being able to stay in this country tat weather asylum claims are processed. They've been pushed back across the bridge. And tell me mexico. One of the most dangerous places in the world. It's so dangerous in fact that. Us government workers on the border. There aren't allowed to go out at night. and yet they're sending Women and children across the bridge back into these camps and then telling them come back in two months or three months. Come at the bridge at six. Am the most dangerous pine where they're subjected and has been subjected to kidnapping and rape and murder all sorts of horrible things so the massachusetts have managed to actually Reunite a number of families Who have relatives here in massachusetts. So we're able to go into the courts and to set them free Some of these camps and tom elitist but they're still tens of thousands of people down there and so we're really calling up on the biden administration to end that policy altogether once and for all Into stop that real. It's just a a horrible shame for this country that we've been involved in creating this kind of human rights crisis right on our border And so we filed suit on that as well as on Trying to challenge with called title forty two action. Sending people back across the border Using a public health rationale even though they have no Reason to think that there's any public health danger here And that was imposed by the trump administration Even if they did even if there were probably since you're not supposed to deport people you're supposed to quarantine And so this is a clear violation of the law and again we're hopeful that the biden administration will change the policy Own will prevent the human rights to be continuing for the way for those who think this immigration issue has sort of gone away the right if you were wise enough not to watch Trump's speech on sunday which. I watched every single minute of the beginning of the speech and for a long long period of time was about nothing except immigration. Praising what he had done About the wall and other sort of things in damning every single humane thing that the biden administration is trying to do. So this is this issue is still front and center. For the trump world know road so i opened up i want to say on the integration. It's also true that during the trump administration the massachusetts legislature failed to take a single step to protect immigrants. Who are here in our state from being picked up in the trump deportation. I certainly hope that we'll see this new legislation coming in Trying to have communities driving family forward and all these acts would actually say that. We're not going to collude with these really inhumane Trump deportation policies anymore. Because you know biting has a couple of years to try to make good on this but we announced the as we need to do it now to make sure that we remain a free day you know speaking masters legislature. They did something on a big campaign of yours is facial recognition surveillance thing. But i know you're into phase two which we'll talk about in the second. Cy open up the new york times over the weekend. And who's stan me in the face. Kate crawford as identified in the times is essentially the national hero on stopping the worst excesses of facial recognition. Use good for her. She has done spectacularly. Obviously she works with you for those who don't know civil liberties union. Can you describe for those who missed it or forgot it. What did the legislature do. I know is sort of a third of a loaf. It was a half a loaf. And then i think it was caught even further after the governor objected. And then describe what you guys are trying to achieve in phase two accurately. I just had to say hats off to crocker Who directs the technology for liberty program at the aclu that we started a number of years ago. We have a whole team of people working to make sure that liberty is using the technologies used in the service of liberty and not against it. One of the things that we found is that the in massachusetts and probably in other states as well. We've houses of documents that show that the state has been secretly a leading logs worse than others axis orangey database for facial recognition tracks without any protectionist whatsoever. So you could be using it to track your ex could be using it to track your neighbor or your kid or whatever it is you wanna do but now that we have this first step of a tub awad. It's not enough. We're we're the first step we're saying that police can request it. Facial recognition searches Unless there's an emergency they have to get a court order To show that somehow the search is relevant to a criminal investigation. That's still low within a war requirement. But at least it's gonna prevent the kind of bald-faced abuses that we're most concerned about And this the law the new law. That was just passed onto three. I also says the state has to report on his website. Often technology is is and we. Also there's legislators commissioned that since that up It's going to sort of propose some next steps that has to be for that reports to be by the end of this year. Twenty twenty one But we already know. This is the law. Even within new protection is inadequate. So i'm very proud of kate and the whole team for the work that they did by the way with hundreds of other people in lots of other groups across the commonwealth who are waking up to the real threat space surveillance and other kinds of biometric surveillance pose. If we don't put in some due process protection let let me just be clear for. I know that there are a bunch of communities including mine that have banned this facial recognition stuff at least for the time being. But you guys keep using the word pause which suggests to me that. You're not advocating for an outright ban. But you're advocating for timeout. During which time regulations are in place that won't prohibit. Its us but will prohibit its abuses. That where you're going absolutely. I mean there are. I will tell you some of my colleagues or wish that we were going only for van we think at the local level. There should be banned on christmas technology. Because there's just we just don't have the ability to regulate at the local level and a lot of these companies are trying to give it away for free deep relief a police department To try to get a foot in the door so we think there should be a ban on the use of the kind of face surveillance technology at the state level exceptions a kidnapping or an emergency kind of exception but some there are always you know the the the governor and others always want to bring up. The the exceptions almost never happened. So we're saying great. You get a warrant required. Those are the kinds of kind that we are willing to make exceptions to otherwise we shouldn't use this defense attorney should know when it's been used that they can challenge it right. It's all being done in secret. So carol will be putting. I would governor bakers. Examples are how about january six. Yeah exactly how different. Obviously the way they've arrested or charged two hundred and some people in great part is because of this facial recognition stuff. I would assume. Well no i. I'm not sure that assumption is right. It's not the space mission. neighbors say. Oh i work with that guy right. I mean people. They were self posting to social media. And it's so often happens. In these circumstances it's people close to somebody who committed the crime or the people who call it into the fbi or to the police right. You don't need to have a some kind of pretend technology that's gonna do people go. Yeah i recognize. That guy worked with him right now where he lives during who he is calling it. The overwhelming majority of these people are being identified. Not through some sort of a faith surveillance system right but even so even if you wanna use it you can get a warrant. In those circumstances. I mean those kinds of circumstances were you know a judge is gonna say yeah an insurrection. Sounds like maybe that's kind of exception that we wanna make we're talking to carol rose director the aclu of massachusetts. Tell us what the aclu is doing with this Systemic equality racial justice agenda. Yeah no. I'm very excited about this. So this this really came as part of a nationwide move for the aclu you know. We've always worked on racial justice issues. since the organization was founded But looking at the underlying stem quality issued lead to racial injustice underlying. Things like The digital divide. I'm voting bikes. But we were just talking about Access to housing those kinds of things so The has decided that we really want to take on these issues of the systemic causes that create racial inequality in our country and we have to confront those because so many of us have been the beneficiaries whether it's from the gi bill or from home that out our history. There has been benefits that the government has given Two people up. They've excluded people of color and particularly blocking indigenous people. So that's seventy quality. Agenda is an effort for the aclu as we think about what kind of cases you wanna bring their campaigns. We wanna bring begin to look at the underlying stomach quality and to address it at the root cause rather than on individual cases and so. I'm really excited. I think this is something that aids has always for systemic change to actually name it now gives us the ability to really educate the public about the underlying causes of inequality Rather than just doing it on a case by case basis you'll rose reading the press release. Put up your national umbrella and they broke down with some of the things were non-exclusive list but would include things like protecting voting rights student. Loan forgiveness affirmatively furthering for a housing one i didn't quite understand establishing permanent child tax credit which is part of the well. It's not permanent in the The two trillion dollar. Bill but congressman. Neal said his hope was that it would ultimately become permanent but one of them is expanding access to financial services through the post office. And does that mean so that you don't end up using those those check cashing loan shark is. Yeah that's exactly right. There's so many places like You know people don't have access to banks Sort of banking desert says he would but we do have post office. Those are probably offices so the idea would be to enable people to use a public service to do their financial transactions and not necessarily the lying on the same day. take a paycheck lenders core people. I think you know we talked to you. Obviously been talking to you for years. We talked to you at the beginning of the trump era and we were all reading stories front pages of the washington post new york times that contributions of the civil union are gone up six million times all that sort of thing. I mean but huge increases in contributions. Which made i think sense to most people whether they made the contribution or not. They understood it. What is the impact of trump. No longer being there in person who i think for the most part is a history of maybe with the exception of a The criminal justice act or whatever was called in the nineties. What's what's the impact on the aclu. Its growth in its funding and that sort of thing. I know it's only been a month reports. It's a really good question. So you know what's great is. The biggest increase that we saw is from The small level smaller owners is our members. You know the people who are the twenty dollar members right. The big increase came from. So that makes me feel good. 'cause it was a very broad they growth in support And so we're hopeful but people will say because frankly the work is really rebuilding building back better. There's like a non-partisan but you know but the the work to actually build a to prevent the kind of attack on the core of our democracy. We have so much work to do. Especially in the next two years We have a small window of opportunity where we can push vote at the state and the national level to actually get some protections in On things by voting rights on things like immigrant's rights on racial justice and equality are lgbtq quality and reproductive justice. These are all areas. We need to push now. All we can make some progress because we know if you watch you know former president trump's each on sunday night looks like the republican party behind him and they're going to be coming back And so it's going to be tremendously important that we don't let up the pressure. Now now's the time to actually get some protections in place Because they're our democracy became closer to the abyss of losing our democracy And maybe we didn't go over the but we're just still on the edge. We need to pull back from. The abyss may strengthening our democracy and protecting for our children and our grandchildren. What a shame it would be if we were to duluth democracy on our watch And so as a as a parent. I feel so strongly that it's important that we double our efforts right now. to protect democracy and freedom and not assume that That the work is done because it certainly isn't sounds like a great fundraising bitch to make those john carolco great to you. Thanks you okay. Thank you very much. Thank you roses. Executive director the aclu of massachusetts. She joins us every month coming up his home confinement. Have you dreaming of home. Improvement that conversations next on nine seven. Gbh boston radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jimgeraghty marjorie regan. Nearly a year of pandemic lockdown and spending more time. Doing everything from home also means for many of doing everything. To our home it's become impossible to not obsess on all home shortcomings from the from the smoke alarm. That's been dangling from the ceiling for a year and a half to the scuffed up kitchen walls that could use another paint job to the laundry room. That could really need that. Psychedelic disco makeover. Whatever they discovered near times recent article in the times profiled people who took home improvements literally into their own hands. And we're taking your calls. Asking what were your. Diy fantasies in realities. What have they been during the pandemic at eight seven seven. Three zero one eighty nine seventy. I'm talking about from the mundane to the magnificent. Have you crossed a few items off your checklists from from fixing a leaky faucet to finally vacuuming out that seemingly unreachable crevice between your refrigerator and your kitchen wall the numbers eight seven seven. Three zero one. Eight hundred nine seventy. I could really connect to this. I was called extreme. Diy for a home decor. What have you done by the way what. What kind of like home improvement things have you done the year. That mostly have been at home to say jim. I haven't done a thing journey. I did do something. I bought this unbelievably overprice set of sheets flannel sheets. And that's it. Yeah but they're very exciting every night. They're very exciting. they were like really usually overpriced. But i bought them. And i'm happy last night when it was like you know it seemed like it was two degrees outside and freezing suspect. I did. I exactly home improvement improvement for my side. And i bought them for my children for christmas. I was so excited. That's it what did you done. Well actually. I've done quarterback thank you have about two years ago. I have a pulled a railing. Like i don't know about an eighteen foot railing on a set stairs out of the wall and lay on the stairs for about. I don't know six or seven months and i'm serious and i put it back on the wall and by the way because you know i don't have a huge amount of skill in that area. It was one most satisfying things that one could possibly imagine. I did that and since you asked them continue. If i may certainly i've done i've channeled to the best of my ability and talk about satisfaction. The marie kondo approach to life. I don't do the what's her six months of. You have more something. My thing is if you have more something in ten years. It is probably unlikely that you're gonna wear it again. I have thrown out or donated or whatever put on the sidewalk more crap that i have not used. It is a you know i feel that. I'm being the level of satisfaction. You feel you talk of what's her line or does it spring spring joys that the it sparked sparks joy so if it doesn't spark joy what does spark joy is getting rid of this stuff so really elevated that almost to an art form in my house done the projects. But you know what. I've also found speaking of friends whether it's home improvement or not. Which is we want to focus on is a people have tapped in. Some people have tapped into the creative side of themselves that had laid dormant for years and years meaning. They used that. You apparently have not violent sheets of really nice. Subpoena flannel sheets existed. But they retain is like eighty bucks for one king-size sheet and eighty five bucks for the fitted sheet us lot money for sheets but like i said changed my life as well sites. You're happy happy. Eight seven seven. What is our number eight seven. Three one eighty nine seventy. We want to know if you've done any of his. Do it yourself stuff that you hadn't done for ages and how it's helped your mood and your satisfaction level during what has been a very difficult time for virtually everybody's twelve woman. I think these women families have some means say putting ice skating rinks on our front yard. That was unbelievable. He got a kit though from south right before christmas. But but this one woman. She turned her laundry. We mentioned this. In the opening into a psychedelic disco hound pinks and orange a disco light and orange chair and she dances around there and a bluetooth speaker songs while she's doing doing the laundry and then somebody else has got a home theater la but they added a full concession. Stand home theatre. So these are people like i said with with with my despair. Let's put it that. I the whole idea was doing projects during during the pandemic. Especially if you are not working or you're working from home and you've got rid of your two or three hour. Commute is fairly universal. What i've found if you at the comments on the near time story which. I often both often read the comments before the story. What most not well maybe not most. But a huge percentage of people who had done things during the pandemic as per the story were most proud of dna was buying flannel sheets risk. It is a huge. Not just kinda subpoena suprema stem them to try them. So it's taking your twelve months. Essentially twelve months i think. Gbh shutdown what march tenth. I don't remember yes. That was a year less eight days. Marjorie bought a set of flannel sheets for self and our kids. Nancy and taunton thank you very much for calling welcome nancy. Hi hi guys I got a kick out of this conversation. I'm my own. Diy has been to move my kitchen table against the window. So i can set up my office with a stove. They go by the way. That is not nothing i mean. That's not seriously. Yeah that's the reason. I called. Because i had impending project prior to covid where i was supposed to get my port my little dinky porch in front of my mobile home. And then colbert. And everybody's getting on the bandwagon forgetting things fixed The quote for getting it fixed. It's gone from four to six thousand to fifteen thousand dollars. Wow because through because workers are in such demand. Do that kind of thing or why. Yeah i think so. Plus building materials went sky high because the milton canada had stopped Like knowing processing wood and lumber so that they They shut everything down during covid so You know that was part of it but tractor. Yeah contractors are in high demand so they basically are charging whatever i had one guy quote me fifteen thousand and i responded with. I guess you're trying to discourage my business. Thank you very much you can do since obviously nancy. That plane was frustrated. My advice is maybe you just move the table somewhere else. Another project and see how that goes Nancy mantle the table and use it s. my porch. Collapse is on excellent very creative idea. Nancy thank you very much for the call by the way. I even count that. I mean it's not technically home improvement. I didn't mean make fun of nancy. Move stuff around. I mean you know do something that provides a little something different a little jazz into your life. I guess is what. I'm john cleaned his bathroom. He's wondering if that counts. What does that mean. He hadn't cleaned his bathroom before. Don't know listen to this from lucy. We did so much new firepit landscape steps. Hundreds of bulbs planted outdoor lighting. Finally got it done then. We decided to downsize. Sell the house and moved to the city. So they go. Robert says he bought a small dorm size refrigerators to keep next to his reading chair. He's got cold drinks ice cream by his side constantly. You know by the way the thing that's odd and not doing anything other than sheets is i think. Faithful listeners. Know your goal after this is over when maybe over sooner than we know is to become a flower arranger which is actually quite nice but you love messing in your garden. Why didn't you win. The weather is decent. Use the extra time to plan stuff and develop your garden osama jam counts. That's that's something. I do every year i really. I'm not very good at it. But i really liked doing better this year because it was great. I got everything figured out for this year. But i'm going to do. I've come for the ideal. I don't plan for anything that's up to you. Know i do. I do i do those. Those are think of the name of the plant in a second that that latches onto if you have straits on your front porch knows i think of it in a minute and i'm going to have. They have huge big huge pink. Flowers are gorgeous. Let's go to jennifer host and hi jennifer jennifer marjorie and dim So i was going to tell you about how My wife decided we needed chickens. Oh man Ended up building a sixteen by twenty foot. Shed and chicken coop in the back of it. Once you're gonna tell us that you said you were gonna tell us. Why would you not tell a pretty major achievement. Did you do it. Yeah she did yeah. I was a grunt where she was the brains and the real drawn behind the project. But jennifer before you move on whatever the next thing is with no disrespect to your wife and her creativity. Doesn't it stink. no it's It's about a half an acre away from our actual house. That is pretty impressive them. They're surprisingly clean actually. And if you use enough. Hey it doesn't smell now. Would your wife have done this. Had she not had extra timer extra incentive because of the lockdown or what happened anyway She definitely wanted to But she's a teacher actually and was working from home for a good part of the time we started the project in about april of last year and finished it over the summer So i don't know that we actually would have gotten the process done if she didn't have that time. Well that's pretty impressive. I think we got a lot of impressive callers and emails. Thank you for the call jennifer. Thank you my husband and my husband ripped up the rug in the living room and laid hardwood floors reglazed. The windows and built a neuharth then. He built a new shed for the backyard. Meanwhile she did do something herself. She painted the cabinets walls in the kitchen and the dining area. So wow that's like a practically a whole new house We've had a lot of very very busy people during this whole thing so chelsea's trying to help me out. She has three suggestions. What might be a viscous. Is it no more glory now. It's not. I'm gonna look it up. I don't know how to pronounce last one. Cla modest say that was big pink or red flowers you plant them and they will grab onto things and they will Go right across the porch. I'm just going to put them on all sides so essentially to sum up on that as you planned carefully and you have no idea what the flower is the greenhouse greenhouse jemma the are the the nursery. And i when i when i see it know two rainy. Uh-huh ah big red grabby flowers as correct chelsea for looking at their gorgeous. It could be deep pink so they could be orange doug from broomfield. Thank you for calling. Doug how're you doing. We're good angel yourself thanks Yeah the first thing i did was. I commandeered some space in the basement and My built a Woodshop down here. So i've always messed around never any room that do anything swipes space from life. That's huge is it. Not because that's where the forever right. Yeah yeah i i just. I can't stand sitting around. This has been brutal. Absolutely fact that it's cold and can't get out as much as climbing the walls. Okay now that you constructed. That thing have used it to do anything. Yeah i built Some really nice adirondack chairs out back. Wow before stumps and stuff so I built the nice shares and put them out now. Doug i don't want to be in competition with you. But when i was in shop when i was in school i build a doorstop. So what do you think of that. Wow yeah exactly. That was the way that was a reaction. Thank you doug thank you. Can you believe this guy can make adirondack love adirondacks. Big a make him talk. Thanks for the call money. Adrian emailed me. She's correct is men men Men develop vine m. a. n. e. v. i l. l. Either absolute gorgeous. Are you spell it again. M. a. d. e. v. I l. undeveloped gorgeous. Jim check it out. I'm checking seven seven. three one. Eighty nine seventy tony in the car. I thank you for calling. Hey good afternoon guys. Hey how are you. i'm great I started a little Bathroom renovation project at the end of last year little five foot by nine foot bathroom. That i was increasing to nine by nine was going to be a thousand dollar project. Thirty thousand dollars later had to replace the whole all the back of my house and it's it's absolutely true. Horrible thirty thousand dollar bathroom. It's beautiful i mean. It's definitely beautiful but so are you. Is it your fault that it went from whatever. It was two thirty thousand or it was unavoidable. It was unavoidable the house of seventeen ninety. I'm sorry seventeen. Eighty nine years older than the white house. Wow well at least you accomplished something tony. I mean it took. Maybe it took a little detour along the way. But you got from here to there Enjoy the nine by new bathroom. New bathrooms are really passes new kitchen. It doesn't get much better. Dogru chris from ipswich this thanks. Tony ireland nordic track rowing machine to row off all the pandemic excess unpacked and built it. Just fine a month to working. In two days before christmas. I slipped on my outside. Icy stairs broke. My ankle. spent six weeks hobbling along on crutches wearing a boot and all the way he lost is back on twenty. Twenty really sucked. Who's the famous woman's husband. Who didn't he pass out on an elliptical or something and facebook. Charles san september. Yeah oh that's pretty. That was also a lot of people are emailing me about mandeville us. Thank you very much exactly. What hurt them by the way. I just looked it up. While you're spitting beautiful beautiful planned jim off. Do you have any idea how to do this. Would you just go to the store and you buy them and then you come back and you re pop them then you but you and then they start climbing. They start climbing. Let me just let me give you a cautionary no bathroom across thirty thousand dollars. So i would just say saying. I'm gonna bring him home and just plant them as probably not an accurate description of what you gotta do. You really do love that kind of thing don't you. I mean the doing of it not just to look into this late necessary. I'm not very good but just messing around the dark at your hands. The dirt planting i do author worms and the third or something like that afraid of worms. Get look for wars and your kid went around your finger. No now what. I've going with worms. I want you know what i go fishing. I asked someone else. The bait the hook so the answer is i'm not look. I'm not doing the worm and they're getting by the way what we're talking about. If you just tuned in is we figured we needed a little light break is. There's a story in the boss and the times from about a week ago called extreme. Diy do it yourself for home decor and it was talking about. A ton of people agree with marjorie. It's mostly upper middle income kind of thing but there are a lot of projects he can do. If you're not rolling in money at this particular phase and the creative things include what are that. Women do created a psychedelic psychedelic. What like a disco inner laundry room for laundry wild-looking walls and then she's disco light in there and she orange chair. You know looks like something on saturday night. Fever or something like nine jim back when the bg's when disco was big. Let's go to day from wester. Do dave and worcester. So my my wife and i my turn saturday night and to pizza shop night at home was i mean and so we both Make our own pizzas and switch off on one weekend so she does it one week. And then i do it and we both have completely different we do to round pizzas and then one deep dish and we have enough leftover for sunday night as well and You know we've had a year to perfect. Our does and it has just turned into one of the most wonderful Parts of the week because it really set the tone because during the pandemic you know you never really know which day it is. Any those pizza shop night Kind of sets the tone it brings us back and You know it's just been wonderful. We do different toppings I did pepperoni. And swiss chard this past wing and and might deep dish pizza. And then she does egg plant She does a kale pizza with lemon on it. And and this amazing so persada pizza We have a pizza stone. A pizza paddle She even made a t shirt form a And it has the classic chef that's on the boxes for pizzas and it says pizza shop night worcester massachusetts story. So dave is this going to survive the pandemic or is this a pandemic only kinda saturday night. No this is totally going to survive. I love that we we We're like we don't even want to go out for pizza anymore. not that You know we've been trying to mimic our favorite pizza places and you know we. We used to live in new york So there's a few pizza shops in new york that we try to mimic and You know we lived in philadelphia too. So there's a few philadelphia places That we try to mimic to Well it says something we can talk. Ghana's pizza and west philadelphia which i grow up on. Which is the best. I've ever had debut great story. Tell a great story. thanks keep doing. Thanks so much and by the way that may not be a home improvement but it's a life improvement thing the dave his wife did. That's kind of creative thing. We're talking about as we have this discussion. Yeah don't know if his cat says jim my seventeen year. Old son is a climber when he was literally climbing the walls inside. During the pandemic lockdown we started making new patio. We worked with my neighbor build climbing wall in our yard. He sent me a picture. His son is five foot ten and we have a picture of him climbing up this climbing wall in the backyard. How does he have one of those body holder things so the champion fall. You're safe for what's the deal. He looks like he's not gonna fall. What are you. what does that mean. Because he knows what he's doing real well they have rubber padding or something underneath it to do. I i hadn't thought of that but in who who sent that Email jim from worcester. So do you think. I should consider building a climbing wall and the because as you know a lot of climbing free climbing in particular. I like to do so. You don't think so. Eight seven seven three zero one eight nine. Seventy someone's going to do a book on this through by the way this is a this. It's a good idea. Let's go to recent marblehead your in boston public radio marjorie going to meet bradley. I believe like on a tree. Oh sorely hi nice talking to you. That's all right i'm i do. I have a little interior design firm and this whole industry. Construction design is flat out. People are people are redesigning and like you can't get any materials. It's crazy if play. The our industry is so busy right now. Is that why the woman when she described the price of her porch went from whatever was the fifteen grand. That's why so many making you're assume you're making a lot of money Yeah i'm doing. Well i just don't have any time to bill. Anybody no. It's it's great and i my whole family is working from home so i got displaced out of my office so my husband could have the office until i have rediscovered my dining room. And it's now like being used for one who really. What is what is the project that if they're one or two kinds of things that most people are into having done. What are they definitely home. Offices adelaide guest bedroom. Yeah i mean we all have had these open plan homes for the last twenty years. They've been all the rage now. Everybody needs their own little space. so yeah it's it's fine. It's kind of nice to work on offices instead of kitchens and bathrooms but yeah it's crazy. People are redesigning. We're glad you're doing well. And thanks for sharing that with us. Hi says i got my septic system upgraded to a title five compliance perfect pandemic project. One wants to get new your house while the work going on. Paul says. I just been procrastinating. Every day is coming out excellent. Why procrastinate today you can procrastinate tomorrow. there's a good line. I wonder if it is. That's a pretty good line. Eight seven seven three zero one eight hundred nine eight nine seven you know. In retrospect i was so proud. I said to you that in the twelve months that we've essentially been at home or i guess maybe eleven. When we sort of left guest street. I put up a stair railing but that's that was like a weekend project there've been like fifty weekends and i'm trying to think of what i've thrown away a lot of stuff as i said the marie haven't read anything about whether or not marie kondo has become even more of the rage during the pandemic than she was before. But wouldn't you think when people are faced with all the crap they've collected over the years every single day. Because the go out you'd be so prime to get rid of it. I am telling you. I know you're sick. Me saying this out there marjorie pliers to someone not quite a hoarder. But i've i save a lotta things i do and i do and i can actually find the marjorie. Unlike some people. I know A thank you. How many times have you asked me for the column that you wrote about me and barbara anderson of the boston herald like fifty. It's true. I have no idea where i always make copies and then thank you for doing that. But the bottom line. I'm telling you if you're if you're not a terribly creative person and can't build a new bathroom or newport's or do whatever i am telling you. There's nothing nothing in terms of getting your house in order more your apartment at all or more satisfying the thrown out stuff. That you don't need it true amazing some of us have been productive during the pandemic. It's office clue myself have been kinda lazy. We've been just sort of. I mean the only thing to do is go walking just like that guy called a minute ago. Talked about how he and his wife have. Saturday pizza night right shave take sixty seconds and tell people all the new things you've learned how to cook during the Seriously what are some of your. We prune chicken was the only dish you made for the first part of your life. What are the dishes. Learn how to make your. I've made several times. Actually does that. Because you're a big fan. Join chang flower bakery. I love her. Raspberries stuffed corn muffins. I've made i've i've only met him once but they really really good. I liked us. Listen to this. This is from jane. Something called swedish death cleaning. My husband live embrace the above task after having to clean out many of our elderly family members homes upon their dying. The swedish believe. You need to have your home ready in case you die and someone will be given the task of wrapping it all up so they go jim. You can prepare your home for swedish death Swedish death cleaning thing for the inevitable day. I thought choose. There's a book called the gentle art of swedish death. Cleanings right colin how to free yourself and your family from a lifetime clutter and by the way the reason it matters as a swedish death clean the reason it matters. I know it's pretty obvious. Is there is nothing worse. Think about it. Then you leave and your kids all your crap. And then they don't know what to do because they feel emotional connection because it's you so one of the home and life improvement things you can do is get rid of all the stuff you really don't need in don't you ryan you're on the same wavelength also rented a fifteen yard. Dumpster filled it with all the useless crap and it couldn't be happier. I like that will give you a perfect example by the a lot of suits. I've worn a suit probably in five years. I wear jacket and jeans or something. Yeah so do you think i should keep the bottom of the pants that go with a suit or do you think it's time to pass them on. Say there have been times. When i've been with you that you have been in your jeans and i thought what is he doing in the genes so i would say hold onto the suit bahawalpur. Probably wearing those thank you for. That wasn't clear is low enough work not the genes peter in the car. Thank you for your time. Peter you have twenty seconds peter. I saw longtime go ahead. I just wanted to say. I am handy guy and i had a lot of projects in mind but this recreational marijuana store that opened up down spam allowed me to really focus on some true interest like eating nets and i have become a master of slow cooking short ribs and i can't i have no desire now to build anything here. It's beautiful. I call you a lot more cocktail. Edible imbibing during the pandemic rowlett. Let's hope we don't have this opportunity again. So we take advantage up next to talk with john king obscene on the latest headlines out of dc next on eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston public radio. She's marta. regan. I'm jim brady johnny the over latest political headlines as c. n. n.'s. John king john's the chief national correspondent there at cnn anchor of inside politics a low john. Hello it's tuesday but it's been a long week already. Which can we. Peter back on the line i might just a little geo locator stores open in washington. Dc or not. I don't even know i don't either. That's an offense dancer. I think there are ways to get it here. but You know i i i. I said this to a friend of years ago it was like we should just go check this out and i said that's just what i need even if i was just going to check out what it looks like. Never mind temple. The products this on twitter at john king c. n. n. illegal. Now my friend places here legally here but a mile from my house. Actually but john king. I've been watching cnn on the air here. And i see that. Christopher read the head of the fbi is been on the hot seat all day long asking questions about the attack on the capital on january six basically debunking basis claims about antifa. Is he convincing anybody. But interesting hearing I i lost my show today to it. But that's a good thing. I was listening and learning as we went through it we should know. we're twenty four hour cable. we should take these things live I think to your point Marjorie he was up very direct Both at the beginning with senator durbin the chairman and then later with senator coons of delaware. you know. Have we seen any evidence that these were you know quote unquote fake trump supporters. christopher racist. nope any evidence that it was antifa or black lives matters nope Is there any doubt that the people who stormed the capital included white supremacists and other far-right extremist organizations and he said there's no doubt included individuals like that also said that there were It's clear that a good number of those who breached the capital and we're insurrectionists Had advanced planning about You know about when to come went to arrive where to meet up a certain gear to bring with them for it He said he was being careful. Because the investigations are still ongoing But it was very informative and to your point to this idea that You know these people were not there because they were supporters of president trump. He threw that one under the bus that it was somehow infiltrated by antifa or blm. He threw that under the bus So in terms of fact checking and truth telling so far helpful. John king from cnn. So john my understanding is democrats. Hope is to get this cova relief bills signed by the president. I think it's by march fourteenth or something they don't wish supplemental unemployment benefits would run out and the latest dispute between the progressives. I guess and everybody else. Democratic party is over. What appears to be the surrender on this fifteen dollars. Minimum wage thing thing understanding about this debate for the progressives including sanders for example is a key committee chair in the senate senator sanders who were so upset about it if it turns out they don't have fifty votes to give it to the filibuster if they don't have fifty votes in their own party for the minimum wage. What is the avenue that they think they can go down That would cause them to get to win. This fifteen dollar minimum wage. Everybody from joe biden on down supports. What's the vehicle. Well that's one of the reasons. Jim that if you're a senator sanders and you know that you know senator mansion for example of west virginia senator cinema for example of arizona. The more centrist the to the to really Moderate or centrist democrats wherever you want to label you want to pick You know they either don't support it period or they don't support it as part of this. Bill is really their point that they don't think it's germane they don't think it's emergency covert relief that if you want to raise the minimum wage separately if your senator sanders and you don't do it in this building you need sixty votes in senate a most likely and you're not gonna get sixty votes and so the hope is that if it's in this bill that there will be provisions that you know whether it's a house member or senate members going to say i don't like this and i don't like that or i'd prefer not to vote for this but the big bill has so much good in it. I'm going to vote for it. So that was his hope to get the minimum wage in their mansion in cinema. Would you give a speech saying. I think this is wrong but in the end you know there's so much better in the bill senator sanders still says you know they have this. What's called a voter rama. Because they're doing it under reconciliation the procedural way. They're doing this. They're only requires fifty votes to pass it or fifty one with the vice president if no republicans vote fort that means you have to open up to amendments on the floor and so they're gonna have a string of amendments and one thing senator sanders says who's now the budget committee chairman is that he's gonna bring the minimum wage to the floor and he's gonna make everybody vote on it. So part of this is and again if we did this all the time. I think it's good for democracy. Get people on the record on issues voting. Yes or no explain your position go home to your voters and explain it and try to win your next election but we do think this is gonna pass. Don't we or do we the big bill. You mean yes yes. Yes we do But you know. I would just add. We live in uncertain times. And you you the flip side of this now is that you know progressive's are again whether you agree or disagree with their position. You should understand and respect their urgency. Right they finally have a democratic president for in their view and a democratic house and democratic senate and in their view you look at the two thousand. Twenty two midterms. Do you think we might have a two year window to do things. So let's do it. Let's do what we again. You don't have to agree with their issues. You should understand their urgency. If you had a chance to do things that were very important to you If even if you're a different perspective you would say lineup. List by priority. And just do it monday. We do this tuesday. We do that wednesday. We do that and watch what the house does on election reform on the the equality act on other issues. They're going to do this in the house. Even with the narrow majority they're not gonna get a lot of this through the senate and so this is gonna be detention of the next couple of years but because this is the first big initiative the biden presidency. It's gonna come back to the house most likely without the minimum wage. A few other things we'll have been changed and there will be some progressive. Say it only takes five of us to block this to hold it up And they may try to extract something either one more amendment to the bill and then it goes back to the senate or more likely a promise from the speaker that we will do this next and we'll do that next Because to your point. Jim about the fourteenth is ideally. You want the president to sign this week or so before that. So that the state's not you don't have a hiccup where the money disappears for ten days you know. And then you're sending retroactive. Check it just comp if you do it at the last second it just complicates things in a way that if you know you have the votes. Just get it done john. One last thing about the fifteen dollar minimum wage. What i read the other day was that there was some back door effort. Meaning if we can't get it directly in a hadn't thought through what you've just described which does make sense to me. They were talking about imposing some sort of tax major corporations which don't pay a fifteen dollar minimum wage which obviously wouldn't cover every worker who is Suffering at some level below fifteen some even as low as seven and a quarter. Which i can't even believe is that of a chance or was that a one day done kind of thing they pulled that back senator wyden. Who's a very influential on. The finance and tax issues said he was going to draft this and even just called it. Plan b You know to do it this way. And then they decided that that too just to write. The language was too complicated. I do think though quickly on this point you do see. And i don't know if it'll get to the finish line and maybe it won't be good enough progressives if it does but you do see chris coons senator democratic senator from delaware in a very close friend of president biden. So we watch. Chris coons every day for the next couple of years. Because he's sort of the senate voice of biden. if you will He is talking to republicans. Including senator romney including senator tom. Cotton of arkansas including senator josh hawley of missouri Including senator joni ernst of iowa More conservative republicans ernst especially in recent days has said. Well maybe what about eleven dollars. Maybe twelve dollars. So i do think you might see a return to this issue. The question is it won't be the fifteen dollars. So progressives will not like the number the way to get the progressives though might be if you have indexing to the inflation if once you pass it you don't have to come back every five years or every two years or every three years that the minimum wage may not it may not go to a level that makes progressives happy out of the box but it would be a significant policy win for progressives if they did get the indexing moving forward though. Is there a potential compromise down the road. Maybe so john king. We woke up this morning to a new york. Times story saying there's now a third accuser of sexual harassment of andrew cuomo and this time unlike the prior ones. There's actually a photograph of him with his hands on the cheeks or the neck facing Young woman at a wedding who he'd met for the first time. This obviously comes on the heels of the controversy about manipulating the numbers of deaths and nursing homes by counting separately those who were in nursing homes who subsequently died in hospitals ospital deaths. I know you've been around a long time. Is governor cuomo about to be former governor cuomo. I think he's insignificant trouble. I don't like to put the cart headed horse But you now have two women who worked in his administration In in very professional jobs saying that in the workplace setting he said things that were incredibly inappropriate grotesque asking them about their affects lives and And one of them says he kissed her And this this third allegation is someone who was at a wedding of a friend who worked in the cuomo administration. She did not and says the governor approached her and touched her without asking and then grabbed her cheeks and tried to kiss her with. You know essentially can't he did ask if i could kiss you but he was. You could see the photo in the new york times. And she's horrified Look he's in serious problem here He has a serious problem here because of his conduct He has a serious problem here. Because as you mentioned it comes at a very delicate political moment for him anyway But now now you have you. You do have some democrats who were saying you know Slow down let's have the investigation Let's let's see all the facts before we rush to a judgement but he's also very lonely. Very lonely in that you have you know One member congressional delegation catholic katherine kathleen. Rice said he should resign. Another saying others are saying. Have the investigation. So the state attorney general is going to name an outside firm to do the investigation and gather the facts. And then you have to decide what are what are those facts and then where do you go from there right. The outside investigation would not Present it's possible just possible again. This conduct can get into criminal. Law has some. you know what's been presented. Sounds if if it gets there. And i wanna add the if if if he's innocent till proven guilty Some of the allegations do involve at least misdemeanor. Misdemeanor sexual harassment. So i think. The governor is hampered his ability to govern both from the covid controversy and now this incredibly important moment controversy have very much hampered his ability to govern Kenny get through it You know i. I hate to make the comparison but we have. We watched the president. Trump's survived so many things that we thought were fatal. I think we should just be do not under do not for a second understate. The significance of these allegations and the credibility of these women but also watch the process. There's just no doubt about this. He's got go. I mean these are three women that have accused him of almost exact. Same kind of conduct Using these situations if there's three there's there's many more and i mean president trump got away with loss that nobody else is able to get away with. But i don't think the democrats especially with kristen gillibrand being the Being so strong on on sexual harassment and actual sexual assault in the military should also led the charge against their colleague. Al franken. i just don't think there's any way he can survive this independent investigation. Not i mean. He shouldn't really. it's the i think. The opinion use pass. March is very important and this is one. This is one where i think. Jim agree with me. What i always say in my meetings about my show. This is where i shut up and let the women talk. No i i. I know i'm serious. I'm serious about this. Because i think i i you know. I hope you know. I work in an environment where people understand and respect the way. Run the work environment stuff. But i think men have a lot to learn. Men have a lot to learn from listening all men even met who behaved perfectly You know have a lot to learn from listening environments. But but i think to your point. We're having this conversation on tuesday. The third woman came forward yesterday There's a one of one of them. Now has deborah katz. he's very accomplished. Attorney here in dc. Who does this these kind of cases for a living working for her and so presented bazi ford. Did she night it yes she did and she she's been and so if there are other women who are trying to figure out. Should i come forward. They know there was a very accomplished Attorney here in washington dc. Who knows how to handle these things. Sensitively and quietly and in if necessary And so i i do think that Let's see what conversation are you guys having on wednesday thursday and friday and by the time we get to me being back here next tuesday. This could be a very different conversation. Thing is the politics and not. I mean we had these these. These drought hearings about cavanaugh. Who was accused of sexually assaulting someone when he was in high school. There were two of the women who came forward When he was in college. But this is a guy who's in a sixties who is the governor who's going after women one of whom apparently plays soccer with his twenty five year old daughter Twenty four year old daughter. So you know the forty year age difference. There is kind of tough will. The power thing is a big issue in addition to the age thing. Yeah but i think the age of these young women in the age of the governor. It just turns your stomach. I think so. John if i can change the topic just for one second. I've spent months like. I'm assuming most people i know have being appalled by the former president's inaction and deceit around corona virus and. I think credibly accused by people are know more about than i have Being responsible because of his behavior for a lot of the deaths. That didn't have to happen. The latest thing is. I don't know if the the original report is maggie haberman from the times. Whoever it was disclosing that the former president is wife got the vaccine in january and chose not to disclose it and people may be listening saying. What's the big deal. In the grand of things we all know that republicans most of whom swear by this guy. We're much more vaccine resistant. Vaccine hesitant. I guess i should say than the rest of the population. Has there been any explanation of this other than the fact that the tough guy doesn't want to show that he didn't use any precautions from mass to vaccines and only when he was arguably his life hanging by a thread or at least at some risk that he agree to be taken to hospitals or any good explanation for keeping this quiet now The only thing. I can piece together from Reporting for some of my colleagues in a couple of text messages. I've had. I have not much time to spend on this. Because i'm busy with other things but Is it this was after the election and he was involved in other things And that's where his focus was and he did not want to do it But to your point. I think anybody i i think You know. I don't know if you got. I have not been vaccinated yet. I don't know if you guys have been back to the day i am. You know if there are two people out there who listen to me. I'm going to say i was vaccinated A you know and there are a lot more people who listened. Whether you're you know a lot of people are gonna get mad at me for saying this but you know. The former president has millions of twitter followers people who listened to him follow his lead. And you're absolutely right about whether the whether the vaccine skepticism is among you know trump voters or in the african american community or the latino community This is something that everybody. In the position of responsibility anybody position of authority and influence like the former president. Step up and help step up and help and the you know he. He was president at the time. Melania trump was first lady at the time pictures of that shot going in the army. If he didn't want to say anything just tweeting. That yet would have sent a powerful message. That would have helped how much i don't know but any help is important. Couldn't agree more. John good to talk to you as always on. Thank you very much. A junkin joins us every week. He's soon as chief national correspondent. He's the anchor as well as inside politics Thank you very much again. John for joining us coming up. When it comes to children's books one woman says it is time to turn the page and bring more diversity into the bookstore into the library into schools conversations next an nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio maureen. Jim brady. Today's national read across america day. A day dedicated getting kids excited about reading and our next guest would like get kids excited about reading books. That are not like dr seuss for nation will soon be a minority. Majority of the next generation should grow up in books that better reflect themselves their family in the world around them. That's what Joshi is working to do so is the ceo and founder of mango and marigold press and independent publishing house that focuses on the south asian experience so large joshi. Welcome boston public radio. High-margin you think you so much for having its citing day. We'll thrilled the behalf. Thank you so much for for joining us. So so tell us i We have heard embassy during this whole pandemic about these kids that are stuck at home or doing the hybrid or whatever on their screens all day long. Maybe they're also doing a little bit more reading or do we have any idea. I think i'm books are have become wonderful. Ways and sources for kids to find a little bit of relief early on in the pandemic. We worked really hard to partner with some important organizations to distribute free books across the country to make sure kids who might not normally have access to books who relied upon. You know their school library for books. Which were now closed. They had access to them. And i think there definitely is a rise of reading During the pandemic so why did you form mango and marigold. And how hard is it to create a small independent. We were laughing. I guess i have the answer already to create a small independent publisher. Yeah let me tell you first. So the company started really out of my own experience. It was about seven years ago. I was pregnant with my daughter. I am a big deal file. I grew up reading books. My husband's in academics. So naturally the baby shower we were having was will library. Beams baby shower naturally. Obviously and it was i. Was you know putting that somebody register at the time. And i have this background in sociology and anthropology and i realize the books that i was seeing that maybe had anything to do with india. We're really problematic. you know. They were like developmentally inappropriate culturally accurate culturally insensitive and remember staring at the list of potential books being like how is it a country that has one point. Some odd billion people in its nation not have representation in children's books and it was with a little bit more digging that i realized it was just a systemic problems that representation of communities of color vipond communities which just sorely lacking and so it took me about a year and a really faithful car ride. Where at the time. I was in a phd program and it just complaining to my classmate venting. I can't believe i can't find these books. And she turned to me and she's like so. Why don't you do something about it. And man oh man. Those words I love a challenge as anyone who knows me will tell you so. I love my future. D- program got two thousand dollars startup capital from northeastern and started. What was then called barth and is now known as mango and marigold press. Wow it's real. It's real real heart jim. It feels at times Like i what did i say the other day. I said it feels a little bit lake on climbing a mountain while a troll is throwing rocks at me And i'm just like you know bob and weaving pivoting From them because it's a very hard industry but it's so incredibly scruple and the work we're doing is so incredibly important we're gonna to logic joshi. She's the ceo and founder of mango and marigold press. Let me ask you a stupid question is i. don't really understand the world publishing works you find the authors and and then they write these terrific books or to the office find new. How does it work. Yeah we work very much in a pretty traditional publishing way in that are submissions are open. I think what's really interesting. Is i think literally the minute. I announced that we we were out like we were company and i was doing some soft press. I started to get submissions from authors. And my problem is not lack of nor is the industry's problem. Lack of authors of color communities of color who wants to share their stories. It's really for me. It's a funding challenge. Where i have all these amazing stories and i really have the tough job of selecting which ones will go forward with. Because we're such a small press but it's really. I'm very lucky that there's so many wonderful stories that i get to redrew and bring into our house. We want to talk about at least one or two of your wonderful stories. You can described us. But before we do i mentioned when i was introducing you that you'd like kids get excited about books other than dr seuss and for those. Who don't know what. I was talking about even dr seuss enterprises which obviously is responsible for his books which still sell in huge huge numbers even. They have pulled some of his books because of the stereotypes of blacks asians and others. So this is not just criticism from the outside. It's acknowledgement from the from the inside. Yeah i i saw that today. It's so incredibly important when we are picking children's books especially now that we think really critically and what i encourage parents to do. Is i like when you're looking at a book. Who who story. Are you hearing. Whose voice is centered. Next i encourage on our parents to take a look at the author like we have grew will at our fingertips in our phones. No matter where you are you are you. can we quickly google and author and prioritizing authors. Who are from the by talk. Community is so so important and then finally check out the press because i think quite frequently we think diversity is great. This is a diverse authored. This is a diverse material. That's wonderful but it's also really important to support. The smaller presses that are doing such of the foundational work and such the forefront work in the publishing world to uplift the bypass communities and ensure that there are really representative tax on children's book shelves. He we're talking to silja joshi. She's the founder of mango. And michael. Press you know is a general question. What do you do about these other classics. I know in the story. Today about dr seuss. It talked about. Laura ingalls wilder. I read our books as a kid about the the terrible racists our interpretations of of of native americans or curious george bringing the monkey back Back home and so how do you deal with that. You say maybe these aren't good for kids but they might be good for a sociological haram. Throughput logical study. When you're in college how do you honey handle it. It's it's a really wonderful question. And i think for our family. The byline is those stories. Those folks are in our house because at this point in the world. There's so many more books that replaced them in such a way without the hurtful narrative that those books have perpetuated and what. I really encourage parents do. When when they're struggling with fouts. Is i ask them. What is it about is it about the nostalgia and quite frequently. It is about the. It's like. oh i grew up without it feels so great You can acknowledge that. And then you can give your kids in new experience because it's simply not worth it especially in this day and age to continue to perpetuate those stereotypes and that hurtful language especially when there's so many other books out there so i read. They don't enter our house. I think if they are in your house and your children are reading them you can certainly use them as conversation point. Yeah and talking about it. But i think without talking about the hurtful damage of that those books do and just presenting it to kids back can be the real problem so it's either not bringing them in or having that conversation. Today is national. Read across america day. We're talking to ceylon joshi. Who's the head of mango and marigold press. So tell us. About one of your. Tell us about your book that you've published my gosh or your kids. Favorites book published whatever which mostly which is my favorite. It's like asking which is my favorite kid. You know i i. Our books are really really phenomenal. In the way they showcase the diversity and representation in south asia specifically india indian gaspara. Some of the books. That i am incredibly proud of that are on our shelves. You know superstock saves the day. Which is this wonderful little girl. Who's a superhero. Who wants to be the superhero. And it's really kind kind of down because her cape is after dry cleaners. Who's you know. I think we can all relate to having our superhero cape at the dry cleaners. Obviously i'm in. It's such a sweet darling story that just shows An indian kid. Being an indian kid. And i love it so so much for that. I think we have an upcoming book. Front actual youth coming out today call untold stories. That is a partnership book with brown girl magazine and that story. you know. it's meant for an older audience. A young adult audience and it features the start like the new stories of thirty two south asian women who are sharing their stories about body race and community. And it's a really someone described it as chicken soup for the indian soul. And i love that. It's these really thoughtful stories that allow for moments of connection and really meaningful because it's one of our first books that expands to An older demographic so those are some of my favorite ones. There's all they're all my favorite gentlemen. If i apologize in advance for even comparing books to barbie dolls because lots people hate dos. But but i wondered i. If there is a south asian barbie and second i you know i i do like little kids. Still do play with barbies. Their parents to buy them that they now have a disabled barbie. They now have a barbie. That doesn't isn't built like the original barbie wa. She's gonna normal figure or bobby with a skin disease. I just learned about this. The other day is their south asian. And what what does that matter or should. We just not doing barbies at all. I think representation is so incredibly important so the short answer is like yes. We should have barbies of color. Community raised and i think barbie more recently as an z. Has done a good job or is trying to do a better job. Out of doing some body positivity. And i think for me the answer is always like our wherever it is in the media we should have equal representation of all communities. Yeah as opposed to being Silence two specific days or specific of the holidays. That you just you know. Be the norm. So large joshi is the elevation of kama harris. Been a boon for you or do you hope it. It's a boon for what you're trying to do. I think it's really wonderful to be able to see a black woman who identifies as indian. Who has a name that really resonates with my daughter for instance For you know for our community to be able to see that at the same time It takes it takes a lot of work to because i think just because she's in high level in the amazing power in office. It doesn't necessarily translate for us in terms of further representation until you know we're able to make further inroads whether it's the publishing community or even in schools and bookshelves to work to get more representative tax on shelves or you caught by the way it's mango and marigold press dot com. We should say people want to check out Work and all that sort of stuff. Are you contemplating a doing something on her in her life rule. Great question jim and if she would like to do that maybe she's listening. We are happy to choose. Listen to every day. I'm fairly confident. She's i don't think she has a busy schedule. So i would. I would love to have harris A children's book as part of our collection. I think it would be incredibly powerful and would love for her to join our little. Marigold press families. So if you're listening vice president harris come on down. You don't even have to go through our submission guidelines all. I'll just listening to your pitch. We're talking to salvage joshi. She's the ceo and founder of mango and miracle. Press so schools. Not in a lot of places now and if your home with your kids a good celebration of read across america day moms and their kids are. I should say moms and dads and their kids doing today. Yeah i think a great way for caregivers to celebrate this day in two. Maybe support your lovely independent store. Give your kid maybe twenty dollars. I remember growing up. My mom would give me twenty dollars in the bookstore. And oh my god the joy on my face and the number of books i would get It was just such a curling feeling. And i think especially right now. A lot of our in book stores are having a tough time. So don't have really wonderful way to do that. And as you're picking out books whether it be edible store or maybe at your library make sure those books. Are you know representative in nature. Make sure you're taking that time to think really critically about the supporting the illustrations that you're seeing and even the crosses that you're getting these from because it's really important for kids to see a wide range of voices and experiences on their bookshelves. You know you just mentioned libraries again. I don't really understand that much about the publishing business. How to books. Get chosen to be in libraries do you. How does that work. I think it can work. In a wide variety of ways. Oftentimes libraries will be booklets and pick him from there. In addition patrons can request now. So i always encourage folks. You're like how can i support you more. I'm like go to your library to bookstore. Tell them tell them about us and tell them you want to see our books on your bookshelf. That's that's the best thing they love listening to the patrons and the people who were there day in and day out and cost nothing for you to make that recommendation silence josie. Hey congratulations on on what you've done here is. It's a really neat idea. And i'm sorry about laura ingalls wilder but thank you know i didn't anyway. Thanks for being with us. That's great yeah. Thank you so much. Steam appreciate it. Silence josie is the ceo and founder of mango and miracle. Press an independent publishing house that focuses on the south asian experience and we very much appreciate her time. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for for another edition of boston. Public radio tomorrow be joined by the boston globe. Business commerce shirley young writer and performer. Derek dow gadio an art capital medical ethicists while thank our crew chelsea. Murs zoe matthews. And you believe in commie. Mackenzie farkas our engineer. John claw parker are offsides engineers. Mouth smith and dave goldstein was on the award. Winning giradi show tonight. I am so excited about having delgada on the show. People haven't heard of them check out his brand new book checkout in and of itself his new york show. That is as on hulu is he is unbelievable. In any case by we saw his new york show the bill on the back room in any case. Bishop john borders. Who's the senior. Pastor morningstar baptist. Church is one of many leaders in communities of color actually. He's doing back scenes at his church. He and some others are going to join me to talk about access to vaccines and vaccines hesitancy in communities of color and then we talked about earlier on the show. Margaret olivia adams. She's the woman who was on maternity. Leave who founded ma- ma covid vaccine dot com. She's going to be joined by dan. Cocoon who developed the twitter bot vaccine time. They both did it in their spare. Let me say again what i said before. What's a nursing. Mothers of massachusetts are saving enough. But she was on the terminal. You were taken. Some mothers of young babies are rising to fill in the gaps. Our government has failed to literally do these. Two things are spare time in any case. That's the night at seven o'clock on greater boston. Great i'm marty regan. I'm jim brown skin for tuning in a great afternoon in tune in again tomorrow.

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"Live from npr news. I'm nora raum the arizona. Republican party has chastise three of the state's most familiar. Gop figures including the governor of former us senator and the widow of one matthew casey of member station k. j. z. Reports the arizona. Gop censured cindy mccain because she endorsed joe biden for president. The same went for former senator. Jeff flake governor. Doug ducey was admonished. For pandemic restrictions on people and businesses matthew benson was a senior aide to the former republican governor before ducey this remains the arizona trump party and And this is going to keep the party from moving forward. the state. Republican party has also reelected staunch trump supporter kelli ward as chairwoman for npr news. I'm matthew casey and phoenix covid. Nineteen hospitalizations appear to have peaked in texas after a huge surge following holiday gatherings but hospitals are still experiencing a spike in patients in intensive care units texas. Public radio's dominic anthony. Walsh reports state data. Show more than thirteen thousand. Texans are hospitalized with covid nineteen. That's more than at any time during the summer. Research while new cases and hospitalizations appear to be trending down. The virus is still spreading rapidly. The state continues to report thousands of new cases every day hospital capacity. You remains an issue especially in intensive care. Units federal figures show more than fifty. Icu's in the state report. No available staffed beds deaths are also on the rise. Daily death counts topped four hundred twenty for three days this past week. I'm dominic anthony. Walsh in san antonio new york governor andrew cuomo said the state will send more vaccination preparation kits to senior nursing complexes and churches in an effort to make sure distribution is fair. He visited a pop-up vaccination site in brooklyn saturday. He urged that everyone take the vaccine. When it becomes available my daughters. Who i love more than life itself. They're going to take the vaccine. I'm going to take the vaccine. There's no politics here. The governor's office reported there. Were another one hundred. Forty four cove in nineteen deaths. Saturday nationwide according to johns hopkins. More than four hundred. Seventeen thousand people have died. The entire university of michigan athletic department is pausing its program for two weeks after several people tested positive for the new covid nineteen variant that spread more easily. The us is reaffirming support for taiwan. After china's send several warplanes near the island saturday in the parent display of force. China claims taiwan as its own and says it wants the island to acknowledge that. You're listening to npr. News demonstrations were held across russia. Saturday demanding that alexi nevada only be released. The opposition leader had been taken into custody last sunday when he returned to russia from germany. Where i'd been recovering from nerve gas poisoning. That he blames on the kremlin. Police forcibly broke up some of the rallies and arrested more than three thousand people peabody award. Winning broadcaster king died saturday in los angeles. Well no cause of death was given had recently been hospitalized with covid nineteen king was eighty seven jeff london reports the brooklyn born king said he was always curious even as a kid when we would go to dodger games all my friends wanted autographs at the end of the ask for an order but i would walk with the players. They're going to let cars ask him questions. Why did you why they do this in the morning. My curiosity is still insatiable. King parlayed that curiosity into an over six career interviewing politicians celebrities and ordinary people. First on the radio then on cnn for twenty five years finally on streaming video on hulu and most controversial are t. Russian television for npr news. I'm jeff london in new york. The fbi is investigating an explosion at a los angeles area. Church early saturday morning. No injuries were reported. The first works baptist. Church had opposed same sex relationships. I'm nora raum npr news.

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12-9-20 What's News

"It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from. Nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network. The supreme court on tuesday rejected pennsylvania republican effort to block the certification of president elect. Joe biden's win over. Donald trump in the state the ruling mark the latest in a series of setbacks for trump and his allies in their effort to reverse the election's outcome but it marked the first election challenge to be rejected by the united states. Supreme court pennsylvania's top court had already ruled against the republican attempt to get the state's mail in ballots discarded which would have tipped the state to trump the supreme court issued a one sentence ruling the application for injunctive relief presented to justice alito and by him referred to the court is denied. That's it the pennsylvania. Supreme court noted that the plaintiffs post-election challenge of the state law permitting. Mail in voting risked the quote disenfranchisement of millions of pennsylvania voters. But that's not all the arizona. Supreme court on tuesday unanimously upheld a lower court decision dismissing allegations of fraud in the november election. Remember kelli ward. she's now arizona. Republican party chair. She challenged the signature verification process. Maricopa county use to authenticate mail in ballots as part of an effort to reverse president elect joe biden ten thousand four hundred and fifty seven vote victory in the state superior court. Judge randall. warner ruled that after a day and a half of testimony and oral arguments. Wards team failed to prove anything but a few minor errors the arizona. Supreme court agreed settling the matter hours before the safe harbor deadline for state courts to resolve election related. Disputes certified results are now considered conclusive locking in biden's victory by requiring congress to accept the electoral college vote set for next week. President elect joe biden on tuesday said his administration would administer one hundred million corona virus vaccines and reopen most schools during its first one hundred days biden also repeated his vow to mandate mask use in airliners federal buildings and other places controlled by the government biden spoke during a delaware event where he introduced his picks to lead health agencies and the federal corona virus response. He tapped dr. Shell will linski. She's chief of infectious diseases at massachusetts general hospital. She'll be the new head of the centers for disease control. Biden's choice for surgeon. General is dr vivid murphy who held the same post during the obama administration. Dr anthony foul cheesy. Who will be his chief. Medical adviser and there are more announcements that agriculture biden his naming. Tom vilsek who held the position. For the entirety of the obama administration. Ohio congresswoman marcia fudge will be nominated as secretary of housing and urban development. Donald trump is still appealing to lawmakers and the supreme court. To overturn the election. Results buckling no college. Get worse before it gets better. The latest health data from around the country has revealed. The first signs of an expected post thanksgiving surge in infections case counts in alabama and georgia jumped by about fifty percent according to the covid tracking project the. Us has averaged nearly two hundred thousand new cases every day for the past week. Hospitalizations have now surpassed one hundred thousand the most so far in this pandemic so. There's no way to see those numbers as anything but horrific that is unless you're donald trump on tuesday. He actually spun the high number of americans who have been infected as terrific that was his goal to infect as many people as possible. It sounds like the president was suggesting that the country is approaching herd immunity. It is not public health. Experts predict that herd immunity from covid nineteen would be achieved when roughly sixty to seventy percent of the population has been vaccinated in fact sweden finally came to their senses and drop their strategy of creating herd immunity due to massive infection rates. Their policy now is to try to stop the spread of the virus. Following the lead of the rest of the civilized world with the exception of the donald trump administration a review published tuesday by the food and drug administration confirmed that the vaccine developed by pfizer and its german partner. Biontech appeared to meet the government standard for emergency use authorization. The fifty three page briefing document reads the expectations that the fda was close to allowing the to shot vaccine to be administered here in the us. The research came out on the same day that the british government launched their campaign to give that same pfizer vaccine to tens of millions of people in the uk. The fda study backed up visors conclusion. That late stage trials had shown the vaccine to be ninety five percent effective at preventing covid nineteen. But that's still doesn't spell relief. However on tuesday night the administration offered speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer a nine hundred and sixteen billion dollar. Covid relief bill. It's similar to that bipartisan. Nine hundred and eight billion dollar coalition. Package this one includes a one hundred and sixty billion dollars for state and local governments hundred and fifty billion dollars for direct checks to citizens six hundred dollars per person three hundred twenty billion for the paycheck protection program. Thirty billion for airlines and sixteen billion for vaccine and testing but in this version there are no enhanced unemployment benefits. Yeah it seems that this new proposal offered by treasury secretary steven mnuchin swapped the three hundred dollar unemployment supplement with a single round of direct payments. Worth up to six hundred dollars per person. Not good enough mitch. Mcconnell reportedly offered to drop the state and local liability the big sticking point to try to get a deal but according to politico schumer and pelosi said no. They've put all their stock in the bipartisan negotiations. Which at this point are still kind of alive. They said it was progress. That treasury secretary mnuchin reentered the negotiation but said the unemployment benefits were unacceptable. And here we go again. Some people just don't learn. Donald trump on tuesday defended the white house decision to go ahead with holiday parties despite the surging pandemic saying their christmas parties. And frankly we've reduced the number varies substantially as you know trump told reporters at an event he held to take credit for the vaccines that in addition to trimming the size of the guest lists white house. Officials were encouraging guests to wear masks. And practice social distancing please hey. There was a moment of bipartisan cooperation. Tuesday night as the house passed a seven hundred and forty one billion dollar national defense authorization bill. By a veto proof. Majority the final vote was three hundred and thirty five to seventy eight. The legislation calls for raising pay for servicemembers dropping. The names of confederate figures for military bases and providing new benefits for vietnam era veterans exposed to agent. Orange trump had opposed the bill. I hang. he'd veto it over the basis being renamed then insisting it include an unrelated repeal of legal protections for social media companies he was unsuccessful on both counts and again veto-proof majority the senate is expected to overwhelmingly passed the legislation this week. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole familar if you appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. Find out more. Nicole sandler dot com and click on that donate button.

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1-27-21 What's News

The Nicole Sandler Show

11:44 min | 3 months ago

1-27-21 What's News

"It's time for new coal sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network wednesday marks one week since joe biden and kamala harris have been in office and three weeks since the insurrection in which rabid trump supporters stormed the capital. Some chanting hang pants others looking for members of congress including speaker pelosi. Aoc and others well to day members of congress whose lives were most definitely in peril. Got a briefing from law enforcement about its level of preparation or lack thereof ahead of the insurrection. Several lawmakers noted that the lack of planning came despite lots of evidence before the fact that violence and security threats were a very real possibility. Former army secretary ryan mccarthy panel that the national guard only plan to deal with traffic that day with no contingency in place if tensions escalated us capitol. Police officers are debating whether to hold a no confidence. Vote targeting department leaders who were working that day the acting chief of the capitol police yoga nanda pittman apologized during a closed-door briefing to congress on tuesday for quote our failings during the riot at the capital that left five people dead quote on january sixth in the face of a terrorist attack by tens of thousands of insurrectionists determined to stop the certification of electoral college votes. The department failed to meet. Its own high standards as well as yours. Pittman said. i'm here to offer my sincerest. Apologies on behalf of the department continued saying that the capitol police should have been more prepared for this attack as we knew that there was a strong potential for violence and that congress was the target. Pittman who was not serving as acting chief when the attack occurred also praised capitol police officers who quote performed valiantly as heroes but even after that forty five of the fifty republicans in the senate voted in favor. Tuesday of a proposal introduced by rand paul to dismiss the impeachment trial against trump as unconstitutional. The fifty five to forty five vote cleared the way for the second impeachment trial to begin in february but with the support of only five republicans it falls short of the seventeen republicans. The democrats need in order to come up with a sixty seven votes necessary to convict trump. One curious yes. Vote was cast by now senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell following the attack mcconnell was unequivocal and placing the blame words. Do the mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people he seemed to be signaling that it was safe for republicans to contemplate convicting trump. So a window opened for the republican party to rid itself of the president. Well on tuesday when rand. Paul forced to vote on whether the trial was legitimate. Mcconnell voted with all but five of his republican colleagues in favor of paul's objection declaring that the trial was unconstitutional. If you're wondering why the wishy washiness one. It's mitch mcconnell but to a new politico morning console poll shows that over half of republican voters fifty six percent believe that trump should either probably or definitely run for president again in twenty twenty four and just over a third of republican voters. Thirty six percent. Think he probably or definitely should not. And although we reported yesterday that mitch mcconnell had dropped his demand that democrats commit to leaving the legislative filibuster intact as part of a must pass organizing resolution. He still playing his usual obstructionist games in a floor speech tuesday. He threatened quote destroying the filibuster would drain comedy and consent from this body to a degree. That would be unparalleled in living memory taking that plunge would not be some progressive dream. It would be a nightmare. I guarantee it and quote. And then he went on to explain that republicans could obstruct senate business by denying quorum and putting up others. Such procedural roadblocks many democrats responded to mcconnell threat by pointing to his refusal to allow of vote on former president. Barack obama supreme court nominee merrick garland and his subsequent elimination of the judicial filibuster in order to confirm right-wing justice neal gorsuch april of two thousand seventeen and clear the way for later. Confirmation of two more trump high court nominees journalist ari berman of mother. Jones said it is quote truly maddening. to hear mitch. Mcconnell worn of nightmare if dem's abolish filibuster when he already killed it to put three trump justices on the supreme court and confirmed amy coney barrett eight days before an election touche. Oh no cpac appears to be in trouble. Sponsors are dropping out speakers canceling and the usual attendees or thinking about not going this year. It's usually held in dc but for twenty twenty. One cpac was moved to florida. That's right to be closer to donald trump. Well and also because florida governor moron death sentence because of florida's lack of cova restrictions scheduled for february twenty fifth through twenty eighth but the prospects of it happening seemed to dwindle day-today outrage is growing over at least one freshman republican in the house of representatives kyun on supporter marjorie taylor. Green who was somehow elected to congress from georgia's fourteenth frequently posted extremist and debunked conspiracy theories on social media past. Statements are now coming back to haunt her including the baseless queuing on conspiracy which casts former president donald trump in an imagined battle against a sinister cabal of democrats in celebrities who abused children in one post from january of two thousand nineteen green light to comment. That said quote a bullet to the head would be quicker to remove house speaker. Nancy pelosi in other posts green liked comments about executing fbi agents. Who in her eyes were part of the deep state. Working against trump regarding the insurrection at the capital. Three weeks ago. She tweeted quote. I fully condemn all violence. The antiga b. l. m. terrorism funding on act blue rests with democrat accomplices like at corey bush at ilhan at kamla harris at ao. See a tim kaine and many more. Those who stoke insurrection and spread conspiracies have blood on their hands. They must be expelled. That's what i mean. When i talk about opposite world just in case you're wondering speaking of opposite world it's in full swing in states around the country for instance the arizona. Republican party has doubled down on its support for the twice. Impeached disgraced former president by reiterating. Its support of him. As party leader and censuring republican governor. Ducey for certifying the legitimate election results and also censoring former senator jeff flake and cindy mccain. For endorsing biden. Their efforts appear to be paying off in one sense. The arizona's secretary of state's office says nine thousand nine hundred forty four registered republicans. That's almost ten thousand of them have officially switched their party registration since the us capitol riots lady go the senate on tuesday voted to confirm anthony blinken. As the next secretary of state blinken. A longtime advisor to president biden was approved by a seventy eight to twenty to vote. He's indicated he will move to undo many policies put into effect under trump especially those focused on his america. First approach blinken has signaled he'll rejoin global alliances eventually including an effort to limit iran's nuclear program. He also promised tougher approach to russia's cyber-attacks election interference. President joe biden is still working to try to get a handle on the cova crisis. That was just escalated by the inaction of the trump administration in a speech on tuesday biden announced that he is ordered another two hundred million corona virus vaccine doses from pfizer and maduna that adds on to the four hundred million doses already ordered so he said the. Us should have enough to inoculate every american. Who wants one. By the end of the summer bad increases in total vaccine order in united states by fifty percent from four hundred million order to six hundred million. This affects seen to fully vaccinate three hundred million americans. By end of the summer. The beginning of the fall. Federal health officials on tuesday called for returning children to schools. As soon as possible citing a quote preponderance of available evidence indicating that corona virus infections can be prevented in classrooms with strict adherence to mask requirements and social distancing guidelines. President biden vowed to return children to save schools as soon as possible. One thing they should do though before they return everyone to school is make sure all teachers and school are able to get vaccinated. Just saying president biden and russian president vladimir putin spoke by phone for the first time since biden's election on tuesday the kremlin announced that russia and the united states agreed to extend the new start nuclear arms control treaty though. The white house didn't immediately confirm the deal. The white house said biden raised several matters of concern including the solar winds hack. Russia allegedly placing bounties on american troops in afghanistan election interference and the poisoning and arrested opposition. Leader alexei navalny a stark difference from the conversations. The russian leader had with the former president of the united states. It seems like every day we cross a new milestone and now more than one hundred million people have been infected with the corona virus worldwide and more than two million have died experts. Say those reported figures are probably much higher in reality. The u k which just crossed the threshold of hundred thousand deaths now leads the world in the number of deaths proportionate to population in the. Us january has already become the deadliest corona virus month yet with more than seventy nine thousand reported deaths. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And i can't do it without your help. Find out more at nicole sandler dot com and please click on that donate button.

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Republicans Cry Unconstitutional

CNN Political Briefing

08:10 min | 3 months ago

Republicans Cry Unconstitutional

"Hey everyone. I'm david chalian. The cnn political director. This is the cnn political briefing. Here's what you need to know in politics for tuesday. January twenty six twenty twenty one. The impeachment trial process begins but some republicans say the whole thing is unconstitutional will discuss that. Plus republican and democratic leaders in the senate and their stalemate over the rules but who actually won and finally across the country some state republican parties are doing some truly wild things. All one hundred united states senators were sworn in today as jurors in the unprecedented second impeachment trial of now former president. Donald john trump also others. Now rise and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear all things appertaining to the trial the impeachment of donald john trump former president united states now pending you do impartial justice according to the constitution and laws. So help you god last night. Walking two by two in black masks across the capital through the halls the very scene of the riotous insurrection after heart of the article of impeachment the house managers delivered the charge against president trump with each passing day. It's becoming clearer. That republicans by and large are going to hang onto a process argument. At least a majority of them seemed to be interested in this argument that this trial shouldn't even exist that because donald trump is a former president and not the current president that. This trial is unconstitutional. In fact at today's senate republican conference luncheon with all the republican senators and attendance. Who was the guest speaker. Jonathan turley a conservative constitutional scholar and an expert on impeachment. You may remember. He testified in the house at the time of donald trump's first impeachment process. He is of the mind that it is constitutionally unsound to hold this trial and rand paul the senator from kentucky wants to put that concept up for a test vote in the united states. Senate today would. Ram paul is trying to show is that he can get thirty. Four senators republicans of course to join his point. That it's unconstitutional. And if he's able to do so then. It is quite clear at the outset in ram paul's version of events. Here that there's no way the senate will ever get to sixty seven votes that it needs to convict the former president and therefore the trials shouldn't happen now as joe biden press. United states caught in a hallway in the west wing. Er intrepid chief. White house correspondent kaitlan collins. Last night indicated. The trial has to happen it is constitutionally mandated that when article of impeachment has sent over the senate must begin a trial. And we've seen other trials of former not a former president but we've seen other impeachment trials in the united states senate of people who had since left the position that they were in many republicans. Just want to say this. Trial shouldn't happen and that actually may be enough to give republicans cover to not have to offend the trump base of support but also not have to join in the big lie that the election was somehow rigged. And the this riotous insurrection. Was somehow justified. One other note is the impeachment. Trial gets underway. Kayla collins asked joe biden if he thought there were seventeen republican senators to join with democrats and actually convict the former president. This is a guy who served in the united states senate. For thirty six years he understands. The dynamics is a lot of the players. He didn't think that there were seventeen there to join the in. Convicting president trump. When jen psaki the white house press secretary was asked about that today. She made clear that we probably aren't going to hear. Joe biden playing political pundit or senate vote counter for much longer. She said the white house from now on is going to leave. Vote counting on impeachment to the united states senate. Now here's what else matters today. The senate you know is split fifty fifty but of course vice president kamala harris gets to cast the tiebreaking vote giving democrats control of the chamber. But if you were watching the action in the committees in the senate today over the last several days some confirmation hearings of the nominees. You saw republicans. Still holding the gavels. Still acting as chairman of the committees. That's because mcconnell and schumer. We're having a hard time getting to what they call a power sharing agreement to change the rules of how the senate governs itself how it operates so that it is set up for democratic control will now mcconnell and schumer has finally come to terms would it mitch. Mcconnell get from chuck schumer in exchange of finally agreed to this power sharing agreement. It's not clear this was all about a fight over the filibuster whether the democrats were going to break with tradition go nuclear and end the legislative filibuster so that laws would get passed with just a fifty one vote threshold instead of sixty vote threshold. Which is the norm in. The united states senate. Well mcconnell wasn't getting that promise from chuck schumer that he would wall off any chance of going nuclear and ending the legislative filibuster instead mcconnell just hung onto the public statements made by joe manchin of west virginia a democrat and kirstin cinema of a democrat that they would not vote. Change the rules. Because they don't want to end the filibuster. Here's the deal folks mitch. Mcconnell didn't get anything here he was trying to flex his muscles. Chuck schumer did not cave which was an important thing for him to show the progressives in his party and now all the silliness can be done with and the senate could get on with the business of legislating and governing on behalf of the american people and finally today we keep seeing signs that donald trump maintains his grip on the republican party. Even though he's left office even though he left office under the cloud of impeachment and this insurrection that he helped incite he is still a very powerful figure in the republican party. How do we know will look at what happened in the arizona. Republican party over the weekend they re elected a very trump friendly chairwoman they censured cindy mccain and jeff flake the former republican senator there for support of joe biden and censured their own currently serving republican governor. Doug ducey for not being trump friendly enough look at what happened with the oregon republican party just last night. They issued a formal condemnation of the ten house. Republicans who voted in favor of impeaching trump. And in this resolution from the oregon republican party they called the siege on the capital a quote false flag operation meant to discredit trump false flag. As if it didn't happen or some other folks organized it. It happened before our very eyes. What are these oregon. Republicans think about the rest of us. They think we're idiots. These oregon republicans in the party structure want to prove that nothing matters more than fealty to donald trump. even if that means just creating lies and setting up a really dangerous dangerous falsehood to deny would took place on january six. The united states capitol. We saw over the weekend that the hawaii party twitter account had somebody tweeting out. Cunanan conspiracy theories from the official. Gop twitter account now. That official has apparently since resigned. But this all shows you that would. Donald trump has installed throughout the country. Fifty state parties are people. It's unclear if they are loyal to the republican party. As much as they are loyal to donald trump and trumpism. There is a battle for the heart and soul of the republican party in the post trump era that is upon us and it is going to be a very very hard fought battle. That's it for today's political briefing. Thanks so much for listening and please take a moment and be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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The Republicans Supreme Court argument illustrates the need for The Election Reform Bill and filibuster reform

Rusted Culture Podcast

08:10 min | 2 months ago

The Republicans Supreme Court argument illustrates the need for The Election Reform Bill and filibuster reform

"So yesterday the house of representatives passed two bills to bills were passed and this is going to be the trend. They're coming up with some great fantastic legislation. I mean i gotta hand it to him. What they're doing right now is fantastic. But in the old days remember it used to go to the senate and it would sit right on mitch. Mcconnell's desk the grim reaper. The graveyard for for bills that came from the house of representatives nowadays. It's actually going to get to the floor of the senate but now you're gonna see the republicans pull every trick in the book to try to delay and prevent things from happening including using the filibuster. of course. But i just wanted to go over the highlights of these bills. Then just go into a little bit more detail about why we need to just blow out the filibuster and in either perform it or use the nuclear option so folks with these bills the george floyd justice and policing act. it's going to increase accountability for police. That is the intent of the bill in in. Does that by incentivizing state's attorney general's to investigate local police departments in grants for states decree procedures for investigating. Police were deaths are involved. It's going to create a lot more transparency with a national police misconduct registry. Something we don't have it's going to mandate that. Policemen have racial bias. Training in it would change the standard for evaluating whether the use of force was justified. And guess what. I don't see anything in there about defunding the police or let alone encouraging the police departments to be defended so in this next bill the election reform bill at basically sets uniform standard over all of the states all of the states for federal elections in. It's about time you know right now. Republicans are actually using what we don't have against us. And what i mean by that is because we don't have federal standards. They're going into the courts and they're actually creating some pretty crappy rules to try to give themselves the competitive advantage so the fact that we don't have federal standards is a problem. We need to at least it makes sense. We should have federal election reform. There should be federal standards over hell to run an election. Why we've never had. This is amazing. Why is it that we you know. We've gone so many years without a set of standards for everybody to us when it comes to federal elections. I mean none of that seems to make sense. But that's why the bills there so this bill would do. Is it would allow states to create automatic voter registration with the existing records that they have. So we're talking about the government records that they have in their possession. And let's face it when you think about the driver's licenses when you think about property records and stuff they've got enough there to automatically create voter registration. I mean they're no reason why there should be another procedure to do that. The bill is also going to allow for. No excuse mail in voting. It's going to allow for fifteen days of early voting for federal elections. it's going to restore voting rights to fell into have served their prison sentences. It's going to mandate the use of paper ballots so we've got an audit trail and finally it's going to involve a requirement to disclose the sources of dark money donations to political groups. I mean that's about time isn't it. Shouldn't we know where the money's coming from that is flowing into political groups. I mean all of this is common sense it. It's not going to harm the people that are donating the money and they shouldn't be embarrassed if somebody is giving money to a political organization. They shouldn't be embarrassed about that to the point where they don't want to disclose who they are. I mean it's about time it's also going to require states to have independent commissions to draw conduct congressional districts and yes it's also include new federal standards for voting machines common sense stuff folks commonsense of course the republicans hate this. It seems like the more sensitive makes the more they hate it and it. It's one hundred percent on the heat. Scale for republicans this bill. I mean it's one hundred percent. They are kicking and screaming. They're throwing their coffee cups around the office i. They're they're royally upset about this bill and that just means it's good legislation. The matter they get the better. The legislation is in. I say that. Because on tuesday the supreme court gave or they actually heard oral arguments by arizona. Republicans in defense of to voting restrictions. Where supreme court justice amy coney barrett ask their zone lawyer. His name is michael carvin and she asked him this. Why maintaining the policy of trashing ballots cast at the wrong precinct was important to retain. So they've got a law there in arizona to where if you cast a ballot and you happen to be in the wrong precinct and let's face it. It's hard to know exactly where those those lines are. But if you go through and you show your id and you cast your ballot that they've got a law that they want to maintain that says you can throw that ballot out which is crazy so she said why is that. Why do you want to retain that lot. I mean it doesn't make sense in. He said that it puts a set of competitive disadvantage relative to democrats by not being able to throw ballots out it puts us at a competitive disadvantage. I mean that says it all folks that says it all that's all we need to know about how republicans feel about voting laws. And that's why they're kicking and screaming over this law. That's that's going to be coming to the floor of the senate just you wait. So republicans think that more voting puts republicans at a competitive disadvantage. Essentially the more people who vote the worse is the worse it is for republicans the more republicans kick and scream about it. You know that you've got a good bill. The more that they complain. The more that they bellyache. And there's going to be plenty of that. Just wait and see. But here's the deal on all of this legislation the next hurdle like i said his passing it. You've got to get it passed. And they're going to use every trick in the book and we're either going to have to reform the filibuster or we're going to have to go ahead with the nuclear option which i described in the previous segment. And yesterday senator. Klobuchar was on ari melber show which on msnbc and she said that we can't just allow republicans to make it harder to vote because of some old rules in the senate. I mean that's that's as clear as it gets right there. I can't agree any more than that. So this is going to come to a head real quick here folks. The supreme court fiasco that. I just described where the republicans from arizona said the quiet part out loud. You know that we have to throw the ballots cast in the wrong precinct because it gives democrats a competitive advantage. I'm there's something wrong with the way that they think i mean the. There's something wrong with restricting people from voting as a matter of practice to gain a competitive advantage. There's something wrong with that. And there's something unethical way that this country was set up and designed to run and it's time that we just call him out on it and that statement from the arizona. Republican party just really sums it up. It just sums it up why we have every reason now to go ahead and pass this legislation especially the election reform bill whether it's by filibuster reform or using the nuclear option. That statement illustrates how we have every reason to get out and get this stuff till next time folks. Thanks for tuning in.

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The coronavirus killed more than 3,100 Americans on Wednesday

The Daily 202's Big Idea

13:51 min | 5 months ago

The coronavirus killed more than 3,100 Americans on Wednesday

"Good morning. I'm james home from the washington post and this is the daily to two for thursday december ten in today's news. President trump pressures congressional republicans. To join his fight overturn. The election results. A probe turns up possible criminal conduct by the. Va secretary but bill bars. Justice department won't prosecute and hunter biden confirms. He is under federal investigation. The first the big idea. A cold wind whipped through the south dakota prairie as they laid book timmons to rest. Tim's a longtime coach and referee was not the first person in the fifteen thousand six hundred person town of mitchell to die of the coronavirus. He was not even the first of the week as the funeral. Director tucked blankets. Over the knees of tens widow nancy pastor rhonda well stint zell told the small group of masked mourners that just as there had been seasons in the coaches life. Basketball season football season volleyball season. Mitchell was now enduring a phase of its own pandemic season in a state where the republican governor christie gnome has defied calls for a statewide mask. Mandate even as cases hit record levels any gallon reports that many in a rural community an hour. West of sioux falls ignored the virus for months. Not bothering with masks or social distancing but then people started to die the wife of the former bank president a state legislator the guy whose families own the bike shop in townsend's nineteen fifty then timmons a mild spoken seventy two year old. Who had worked with hundreds of local kids. His death shook mitchell just as its leaders. Were contemplating something. Previously denounced and dismissed a requirement that it staunchly conservative residents wear masks in mitchell. The medical emergency helicopter once a rare occurrence. Now comes nearly every day fearing the growing number of people desperately ill with covid to a hospital. That might be able to save them. Sirens echoing through the empty streets of new york marked the pandemic's first-phase swirling blades of helicopters on the american planes is the soundtrack of our deadly. Fall nancy's pretty sure. Her husband picked up. Cove it at one of the many games. He went to where people were casual about masks. They both became ill at the same time. But nancy had a mild case they had planned on taking an alaska cruise together next year but now she's alone. Throughout the autumn towns all over the midwest in conservative states where gop governors of avoided mask mandates have tried to pass their own restrictions often prompting virulent community debate during the public comment section mitchell. A handful of anti-massacre spoke alleging that they don't work then local doctors and nurses overrun by covid. Patients pleaded for help the night of the final vote a cold clear evening in the thirties. More than one hundred people gathered at the corn palace and mitchell the anti mask forces sat with naked faces. The mandate passed the city council. Five to three but the resulting decision made few on site happy. The town is as divided as ever. Wednesday was one of the deadliest days in american history. We lost more than thirty one hundred of our fellow. Americans the deadliest day yet of this pandemic that seven hundred more than died at pearl harbor and one hundred more than died in all the nine eleven attacks. It would be as if one in five people in mitchell. South dakota died on the same day. Luckily today and fda panel will meet to decide whether to recommend the agency approved the pfizer vaccine. But we're still seeing dozens of examples every day of people not taking this seriously enough after protesting pandemic restrictions in front of the governor's mansion texas's republican agriculture commissioner. Sid miller has acknowledged that he's now tested positive dismissing health concerns. Mike pompeo state department treated two hundred revellers on tuesday night to holiday drinks. The party included a tour of the white house's holiday decorations followed by a self guided tour across the street at blair house. A state department spokesman had announced that reception part of this event was cancelled this year because of concerns about the virus but are john hudson reports. That really wasn't true to open bars. Were set up. As unmasked guests guzzled champagne amid the poinsettias chandeliers meticulously decorated. Christmas trees. Children at the party received swag bags with backpacks frisbees and water bottles. That all said be best. Be best was first lady. Melania trump's support for anti bullying initiative. The state department purchased a massive stockpile of be best merchandise at taxpayer expense. In the absence of a second trump term officials. Say they need to find a home for the surplus gear. So they're trying to give it away and that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar this thursday number one president trump is shifting his focus to congress after the courts roundly rejected his bid to overturn the results of the election. That he lost rachel. Baid josh dossier and tom hamburger report that. The president spoke yesterday to arizona. Republican party chairwoman. Kelli ward and congressman. Mike johnson the head of the conservative republican study committee. Trump is expected to meet later today at the white house with several state. Attorneys general rudy. Giuliani has been making similar calls from georgetown hospital. Where he's still being treated for covid. The president has also enlisted vice president pence to reach out to governors and other party leaders in key states to push them to take action to overturn the results of the free and fair election. Trump's conservative allies in the house have been privately buttonholing republican senators seeking to enlist one of them to join in objecting to slates of electors on january. Sixth on that day congress will meet in a joint session to count the electoral votes and declared joe biden as the forty sixth president with pens presiding. But if a member of the house and a member of the senate challenge estates results. The whole congress would have to vote forcing republicans to choose between accepting the election results or trump's bid to overturn the outcome trump's allies told me that they're trying hardest to enlist senators. Ted cruz. mike. Lee josh hawley. And paul and kelly leffler to take part in this president's frontal assault on democracy trump is demanding that house republicans show their fealty to him. By signing onto an amicus. Brief in an eleventh-hour texas lawsuit seeking unprecedented judicial intervention to literally discard the results in four swing states. That went for biden michigan. Wisconsin georgia in pennsylvania. They just want to throw the results out now. Those states at all an email went out to every member of the house. gop conference yesterday telling them quote. Trump will be anxiously awaiting the final list to review. The white house. Says the goal of this is to scare republicans into signing onto the letter if they don't get attacked by the president on twitter attorneys general in seventeen states trump won trying to apply pressure on the supreme court to take up the texas complaint filed by attorney general. Ken paxton the state attorney. General at trump debt enter. The president has become enamored with this paxton suit. Talking about it incessantly with advisors he's hosting the texas g among others at the white house later today. Now a lot of principled conservative it must be said are aghast at. What's going on mitt. Romney said yesterday that it's just simply madness. He says the idea of supplanting the vote of the people with partisan legislators is so completely out of our national character that it is simply madness. Romney added that this effort to quote subvert. The vote of the people is dangerous and destructive to the cause of democracy number. Two the veterans affairs inspector. General informed federal prosecutors. This fall of possible criminal conduct by secretary robert wilkie stemming from an investigation into whether he used his office to work to discredit a congressional aide who said she was sexually assaulted but trump appointee at the justice department has not pursued a case against wilkie prosecutors told inspector general michael missile that they didn't think there was enough evidence. Missile launched his inquiry into wilkie conduct in february after a request from house veterans affairs committee. Chairman mark takano democrat from california who said wilkie had worked to damage the credibility of his senior policy advisor. Navy veteran andrea goldstein. In the fall of twenty nineteen goldstein said. I man groped and propositioned her in the cafe in the main lobby. Avi as flagship center in the district wilkie then inquired with military officials about her military record. This i report which is going to be released later. Today will confirm that the secretary repeatedly worked to discredit stein. Both inside and outside his agency wolke says in a statement responding to our questions that he did nothing improper. Any latch lashed out at the i g. My colleague lisa ryan and spencer sue report that one of the possible criminal violations that the i g floated was interfering with a criminal investigation. Another was wilkie potentially perjuring himself in his testimony investigators now rookie like the president will be out of a job next month but for his next act he is exploring a senate run for an open seat in his home. State of north carolina were republican. Richard burr has announced. He won't seek reelection. In twenty twenty. Two number. three federal prosecutors have been investigating hunter biden. Joe biden's son to determine if he failed to report income from china business deals. This is a politically explosive. Probe that is certain to challenge the justice department and incoming administration and raises the stakes for whoever. The president picks to attorney general or the president. Elect i should say people familiar with the matter. Tell matt's appetite devil and barrett and coby it quits that the investigation into biden's son began in twenty eighteen though little could be learned immediately. About what if any wrongdoing. It had found. The existence of the tax investigation was confirmed last night by hunter biden himself. Who put out a statement saying he had just been advised of it. Fbi agents had been seeking to talk to hunter biden. As part of the case. On tuesday though an interview has not yet been scheduled or taken place. They also were trying to serve subpoenas on hunter biden and his associates. Although this investigation has been ongoing for some time it is unclear. How far along prosecutors consider themselves toward building a criminal case or closing the matter. The subject of an investigation typically interviewed only when prosecutors have amassed a good deal of evidence though prosecutor seeking to serve subpoenas. Also this week suggests that there's more investigative work to be done. A person familiar with the case says that the investigation had been continuing through the election year but agents took care not to take over. investigative steps. Voting neared that would have made it more widely known. Those precautions became unnecessary once. The election was over congressman. Ken buck a republican from colorado quickly called last night for a special counsel investigation of hunter biden. If bill barr does not appoint a special counsel. Joe biden's attorney general would face pressure to do so to help ensure the probes independence any special counsel would still answer to the attorney general. Another possibility being discussed would be for the current delaware. Us attorney trump appointee to remain in that job to continue the hunter biden investigation until its completion. A person familiar with one hundred biden investigation says that it is not connected to the attacks that the trump campaign and allies made against hunter during the campaign. joe biden's transition team put out a statement. Last night that said quote the president elect is deeply proud of his son who has fought through difficult challenges including the vicious personal attacks of recent months. Only to emerge stronger and that is the daily to for thursday december tenth. Thanks for listening. I'm james holman. I'll talk to you tomorrow momentum.

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