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"argosy magazine" Discussed on WGN Radio

WGN Radio

09:00 min | 6 months ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on WGN Radio

"Hannon show Welcome in Happy Thanksgiving everyone A bit early Don Junior Dano from Philadelphia at DOM show 1210 follow-up on Twitter sitting in for Jim tonight Secret agent man secret agent giving you a number and taking back the Jimbo had a joke 26 5 oh Jimbo one 8 6 6 5 O 5 four 6 two 6 Now the danger is real and the romance pretty much left to the imagination in actual espionage work Francis Gary powers junior is our guest He has told the story of his father in the book spy pilot one 8 6 6 5 O Jimbo and two call from Mike in Columbus Ohio now grieving Mike and welcome to the Jimbo Hana show Hi good evening Let me tell you about a story that happened back in 1970 I went to a concert with three other people in a car We were driving down the freeway and we saw some cars ahead of us stopped and pulled over on the side of the freeway looking straight up in the air And I said pull over pull over there's a black flying saucer a black triangle hovering above us They thought I was nuts We pulled over we looked up above There was a black triangle just hovering about 354 150 feet above us just hovering above us And we stood at it got out of the car I couldn't believe it And it stayed there for about 30 seconds to 40 seconds and then switched out of the sky like as fast as light I've never seen it in so fast I didn't know what it was Later I looked at argosy magazine years later back and Argus magazine had a picture of this same thing that I thought was a flying saucer They said it was the south fighter And article in August at the south came out hover Well I begged to differ because I personally saw it hovering Well interesting to say the least I'm not sure if you have any comment about that Francis but go ahead Well I am a knowledgeable a little bit about UFOs but my extent is in regards to the U2 program the SR 71 program the testing that happened at Area 51 Basically in the 1960s and 70s 50% of all UFO sightings were attributed to U2's and SR 71s However the other 50% is still unaccounted for Fair enough All right well 8.6650 Jimbo to Frank in Cumberland Maryland next on the bohanna show And good evening Frank Two questions please How did the Russians create Francis fairy powers in captivity Was he tortured or did he relay any secrets And the second question is how do the getting down from above 70,000 feet is a feed in itself How does he manage to do it And stay alive In other words after having been shot down okay two very good questions The first his treatment in captivity what did your father tell you about that Francis My father relayed the following to me Basically the first week he was lying to his captors outright he was trying to mislead them any way he could But then international headlines appeared and basically the KGB was coming in with copies of newspapers and telling him that they were lie He was lying to them They were able to show that he said he was trained in Arizona The New York Times says he was trained in a Nevada at Area 51 and they were able to strip him up in some of his lies So my father resorted to the following during his interrogations During the interrogations he was never physically tortured but there was a lot of mental torture mental anguish bright spotlight gruelling questions threats of death a mutton Jeff and or good cop bad cop type of a scenario One gentleman a gentleman One KGB guy would come in yelling and screaming rough and grass You tell us everything will shoot you tomorrow The next guide would come in mister powers you help us We can help you Trying to get him to cooperate trying to get him to reveal secrets But my father did the following He basically realized he couldn't tell the full truth because he'd give away secrets But yet he couldn't lie to them all the time because he would get caught So he did the following He would tell the full truth when he realized that they could verify the information in the press That gave him credibility He lied to them outright when he knew there was no way they could find the information names of pilots number of missions specifications about the equipment on board Then he would give a part truth apart lie dance around the subject when he knew that they knew something about the question they were asking but not enough to contradict his answer such as the altitude was flying My father always maintained that he was at the maximum altitude of 68,000 feet when he was shot down And I used that figure 68,000 feet because it was close enough to be believable yet far enough away to keep other pilots out of harm's way should the missions continue and he wanted to get a message back home to his employer the CIA hey guys I'm not telling the full truth So as a result people in America and around the world thought that he had collaborated with the enemy that he cooperated that he spilled his guts because he was perceived to have cooperated but all the time he was not giving away any specific details and holding back quite a bit from the Soviets that they couldn't find in other resources And then the other part of Frank's question the part about the set from 70,000 feet That had to be tricky not only is your plane blown up around you but you've got a long way to the ground Well let me explain what he went through after the shootdown 8 missiles were fired Soviet SA two one of them explodes near enough to the tail section at 70,500 feet to cause structural failure As a result the shockwave hits the plane it pushes it forward throws my father back in his seat Dad realizes something's gone wrong The controls no longer respond You can't fly a plane without a tail section The near miss of the Soviet SA two explodes behind the plane pushes it forward The nose drops down Pitches forward Instantaneously as soon as the nose pitches forward the wings snap off The fuselage goes into an inverted spin My father is hanging basically upside down by his seat belt is harness He can not get his legs into the proper position to use the ejection seat He is spinning down towards the ground He's being banged around he's thinking I need to hit the destruct button But he is also thinking I have to get out of this plane If he ejects he will sever his legs off So he does the following He opens up the Canopy which floats off into space He undoes his harness and is immediately sucked up halfway out of the cockpit He is still connected by his air hose half in the cockpit have out of the cockpit two or three feet of air hose beam banged around can no longer reach or get to the destruct button He's realizing he's getting closer and closer to the ground He breaks through the air hose falls through the airplane his parachute opens automatically at 15,000 feet He parachutes down to the ground To complicate matters as this is happening his faceplate has frosted over So he can't see past his nose All he knows is that he's getting closer and closer to the ground Once he gets away from the airplane once he breaks the air hose and his parachute opens at 15,000 feet he realizes I can breathe oxygen on my own He takes off his faceplate he surveys the countryside He parachutes down to the ground On the way down.

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on Tipsy Tales

Tipsy Tales

04:21 min | 9 months ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on Tipsy Tales

"We have a story like this. Yeah i mean the one. I did last. Time is a lot like this one. Yeah and that's where we were like. We should just go ahead. And do the bermuda triangle. Yeah 'cause we have come across it so much anyways. So for decades. Bermuda triangle has captured the human imagination with unexplained disappearances of ships planes and people and other phenomena located off the southeastern coast of the us in the atlantic ocean between bermuda. Florida and puerto rico. The region has become. It's known as a region of unexplained mysteries but the area seems a stretch as far as the magic nation will allow. also. The devil's triangle has been blamed for the disappearance of thousands of people in the past decades. The term bermuda triangle was first used by vincent gaddis in nineteen sixty four in an article published in argosy magazine but the earliest mention of the area was in nineteen fifty and nineteen fifty article published in the miami herald by edward van. Winkle jones edward vending winkle jones. Okay that's tongue-twister tears later. Fate magazine published see mystery at our back a short article by george sand covering the loss of several planes and ships including the loss of flight. Nineteen a group of five. Us navy gunman tbn avenger torpedo bombers on a trainee. mitch mission. Sands article was the first to lay out the now familiar triangle area where the last took place as well as the first to suggest a supernatural element to the flight nineteen incident. So and i'm gonna get into flight. Nineteen a little bit later on. Nineteen alone would be covered again in the april. Nineteen sixty two issue of american legion magazine. All right and then in february nineteen sixty. Four vincent gaddis wrote an article called the deadly. Bermuda triangle in the pulp magazine are saying flight. Nineteen and other disappearances were part of a pattern of strange events in the region. The next year gaddis expanded this article into a book invisible horizons. So this is when the whole legend of the Mita triangle really start to take off explanations. Okay you can both talk about this Explanations for occurrences in the bermuda triangle. Run the gamut from a scale of scientific to aliens. Yeah do you wanna talk about those now or you wanna wait until the end after. We've discussed all the weirdness Wanting to talk about the scientific ones first and then we can talk about the weird ones later. Okay so one of the things that people talk about or as an explanation as to what's going on is comfort competent comp- grew we're definitely drinking today. Folks all right compass variations compass. Problems are one of the cited phrases and many tr- triangle at incidents while some have theorized that unusual local magnetic anomalies may exist in the area. Such anomalies have not been found. Compasses have natural. Magnetic variations in relation to the magnetic poles a fact which navigators have known for centuries magnetic north and geographic. True north are exactly the same only for small number of places for example as of two thousand and the united states. Only those places on a line running from wisconsin to the gulf of mexico. There is some evidence to suggest. The bermuda triangle is a place where magnetic compass sometimes points towards true north as opposed to magnetic north. So that's one explanation and then another one. Did you run into this one. The gulfstream No i don't know you'll have to talk about because it may be under something different than what you have. Okay and other is the gulfstream. The gulfstream is a major service current primarily driven by thermo. Hey circulation that originates in the gulf of mexico and then it flows through the straits of florida into the north into the north atlantic..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on Hysteria 51

Hysteria 51

03:53 min | 1 year ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on Hysteria 51

"But we've let it thaw and now she's sitting there rotting in its own nastiness But yeah come by it. But it's not rotting god because it was was a prop they even come out and say this is the prop- here it is and they said that the the pictures which you can see they match the compressed not the compressor but the freezer and glass. Everything looks exactly like the original if this was originally iceman though if the original one was taken out and this property put in. That's the big question and many say It was not because the real was real. And there's reasons reasons we're gonna get into why they did that now. By the way the it being the prop the one that that recently came to light in the you know twenty twenty teens. It is up for debate whether it's actually the proper not so Fast forward to You can go view the iceman today. Texas baby yeah. Yeah at the texas museum of the weird or some shit like that and it's on ice and you you just go. In and view it and they claim that the smithsonian has renewed interest in investigating because it is the actual specimen that they have and not the prop who has what wait so. This sonian says they have the original. No no the texas museum of the weird or whatever it's called it's something like that okay Claims to have it was it was bought by this guy who had been basically researching the iceman since the story originally came out in argosy magazine. And like you said it was like a childhood dream of his own the ice man and then he was able to buy it and he was also able to buy the sign that frank originally put over the iceman the minnesota iceman thirty five cents or whatever it is and Any bought both of these things in there in this museum. So he's saying this isn't the prop after the first one disappeared. This is the first one thing that they said was a prop. He's now saying is real. This guess what someone else's making those claims it's a podcast called a efficient. I've got it in my freezer for asian under dollars a pop you guys can come in and throw darts at it. I'm not gonna have three seasons. I have broken teddy robin in a block of ice if anybody wants that too i'm more just wanted to the story behind it. I'm not sure why. But it's gotta hanson tape in it. Not that hands and different answers but it's got a hand. The the thing about this is if this is real as they were reporting and let's go back to the past of the eighteen sixties. This could really be the missing link. You know we're looking at bigfoot. A homo sapien. Neanderthal type thing or it could also been deformed human possibly who knows you would bear. The question of it needs to be researched on an actual scientific level. And that's the that's that's a really good point like it needs to be researched. It never really was researched. Well like they weren't. They weren't tissue samples taken and analyzed. Like one of the one of the main questions is is this To the point of of the thing that we read earlier from argosy Is this really Something that was killed in the twentieth century or is this something like assuming that there ever was a real creature in there or is it from three hundred years ago. It was just trapped in ice the modern day corpse or three thousand a modern decor of human hamad human-like preserved in a block of ice if it was encountered for real by researchers in ninety six would be the zoological discovery of this injury. The fact that they then just throw it in a carnival for for pennies is just the way..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on Hysteria 51

Hysteria 51

02:38 min | 1 year ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on Hysteria 51

"I i think the best place to start is kind of where we stopped ebay. Because he does you can really buy anything on ebay. So let's start with i. I gave you a little taste. Let's read the actual. Ebay listing from twenty thirteen. This is the actual sideshow gaffe billed as the minnesota iceman by frank hansen in the nineteen sixties. This is one of a kind hoax that was fabricated by mid twentieth century schulman. The iceman was featured in an issue of argosy magazine. We talked about that in the very beginning and john. Reggie little bit on as you can see the pictures. It spawned decades of debate as to authenticity. Peron forty years the whereabouts of the iceman or unknown to the crypt. Zoology community the creature while under ice baffled the famous zoologist and so called father of cryptos. Zoology bernard hooligans who examined it in. Its heyday story. Circle as to the origin of the creature ranging from one hundred shot in the great north woods to it was killed during wartime in southeast asia. And even that it was floating in the ocean in cases its own signature block. It is thought that the creature was actually crafted by one of disney's early. Imagine years regardless of who actually did create it. The quality is flawless and it has stood up remarkably well to the rigors time and repeated freezing the chest freezer that is how stand unfortunately is not operational at this time is been looked at by a license refrigeration contractor who determine that the compressor needs to be replaced. A new custom sheet of glass was added in september of twenty twelve. Thanks a lot of assholes back in the day the housing is extremely heavy upwards of a thousand pounds and is approximately four foot by four foot by eight feet. This listing includes the rolling freezer container. The creature in the original silage byron need to either arrange to pick up the item in minnesota or range shipping. Follow link bob bob bob any questions. Please feel free to email now. Even this ebay listing was famous because the show shipping wars actually covered the shipping of this thing and my favorite thing is they didn't even worry about keeping it frozen at all lake by the time it got there. It was beat the crap even more than he was. They did an episode of care anyway because apparently they're like our compressors broken. we don't. we're not going to buy a new freezer. Jesus what do we made a money. Things are like six hundred dollars and mess with that. I got deer and my other one. I'm not gonna say that we can eat that. i seriously. That was the thing that stuck out to me about. The ebay listing like okay..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

04:57 min | 3 years ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"Welcome. So I let me tell you about that happened back in nineteen seventy. I went to a concert with really other people point we were. Way ahead of us pulled over on the side of the freeway up in the air. Go over pull over a black or Jonas. Over. I. It was all about three hundred fifty four fifty feet in front of the beginning. Acton at nine o'clock I can watch we stood at it. Believe it, and it stayed there for about thirty seconds to forty seconds. And then it switched out of the sky like. I thought. I didn't know what. Later. I looked at Argosy magazine years later back. And Argosy magazine had a picture of this same thing that I thought was a flying saucer. They said it was the stealth fighter. Yeah. Right. Hover. Well, I beg to differ because I personally saw hovering. Well, it resting to say the least an any comment about that Francis. Go ahead. Well, I, I am a knowledgeable a little bit about UFO's, but my extent is in the garden of the YouTube program, the seventy one program, the testing that happened at area, fifty one basically in the nineteen sixties and seventies fifty percent of all UFO, sightings were tributed to you, too, and SR, seventy ones. However, the other percent is still unaccounted for fair enough. All right. What eight six six five O JIMBO to Frank in Cumberland, Maryland, next on the Bohannon show and good evening. Frank. Two questions. Please. How did the Russia's creed presbytery powers in captivity was he tortured or replay secrets? And the second question is how down from above seventy thousand seat is a feat in itself. How did he manage to stay alive? That you're having been shot down. Okay. Two very good questions. I his treatment and captivity, what you're never tell you about Francis. My father related the following to me, basically the first week, he was lying to his captors outright. He was trying to mislead them. Anyway could. But then international headlines appeared and basically, the KGB was coming in with copies of newspapers and telling them that they were lying. He was lying to them. They, they were able to show that he said he was trained in Arizona. The New York Times says he was trained in Nevada area, fifty one and they were able to trip up in some of his lies, so my father resorted to the following during his interogations during the interrogation he was never physically tortured. But there was a lot of mental torture, mental anguish bright spotlight grilling questions threats of death a mutt and Jeff and or good cop bad cop type of a scenario one gentleman, gentleman. One KGB guy would come in yelling and screaming rough and gruff. You tell us everything will shoot you tomorrow. The next guy would come in Mr. powers. You help us we can help you trying to get into cooperate trying to get him to reveal secrets. But my father did the following he basically realized he couldn't tell the full truth because he'd be away secrets. But yet he couldn't lie to them all the time. Time because he would get caught. So he did the following. He would tell the full truth when he realized that they could verify the information and the press that gave him credibility, he lied to them outright, when he knew there was no way they could find the information names of pilots number of missions specifications. About the equipment on board. Then he would give part through the part lie dance around the subject, when he knew that they knew something about the question. They were asking, but not enough to counter dick disaster. Such as the altitude. He was flying. My father always maintained that he was at the maximum amount to tude of sixty eight thousand feet when he was shot down. And a used that figure sixty eight thousand feet because it was close enough to be believable, yet far enough away to keep other pilots out of harm's way should the missions continue..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

09:53 min | 3 years ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"Two six. The danger is real the romance pretty much left to the imagination in actual espionage, work Francis. Gary powers junior is our guest. He told the story of his father in the book spy, pilot one, eight six six five O JIMBO and to call from Mike in Columbus Ohio now. Good evening. Mike and welcome to the Jim Bohannon show. Hey, good evening. Let me tell you about a story that happened back in nineteen seventy. I went to a concert with three other people in a car. We were driving down the freeway and we saw some cars ahead of us. Stop pulled over on the freeway looking straight up in the air, and I said, pull over pull over a black flying saucer black triangle above. Thought I was nuts. We pulled over. We looked up above. There was a black triangle, just every about three hundred fifty four hundred fifty feet above us just hovering above. And we say that it got out of the car, couldn't believe it, and it's there for about thirty seconds to forty seconds. And then it switched out of the sky like. As fast as light, I've never seen. So I didn't know what it was later. I looked at Argosy magazine years later back. And Argosy magazine had a picture of the same thing that I thought was applying Salter, right? They said it was the stealth fighter. And, and all the cool in Argosy magnate that stuff cannot hover. Well, I beg to differ because I personally saw hovering well interesting to say the least I'm not any comment about that Francis. But go ahead. Well, I am a knowledgeable a little bit about UFO's. But my extent is in regards to the YouTube program, the r seventy one program the testing that happened at area, fifty one basically in the nineteen sixties and seventies fifty percent of all UFO, sightings were tributed to you, too, and SR, seventy ones. However, the other fifty percent is still unaccounted for their enough. All right. What eight six six five O JIMBO to Frank in Cumberland, Maryland, next on the Bohannon show and good evening, Frank. Two questions. Please. How did the Russia's creek Francis, Gary powers and kept he tortured reflating secrets, and the second question is tell? About seventy thousand seat is a seat in it self, how did he manage to do it and stay alive? Oh, where's that? You're having been shot down. Okay. Two. Very good questions. I his treatment in captivity, what you're never tell you about that Francis. My father related the following to me, basically the first week, he was lying to his captors outright. He was trying to mislead them. Anyway could. But then international headlines appeared and basically, the KGB was coming in with copies of newspapers and telling him that they were lying. He was lying to them. They, they were able to show that he said he was trained in Arizona. The New York Times says he was trained in Nevada at area, fifty one and they were able to trip up in some of his lies, so my father resorted to the following during his interogations during the interrogation he was never physically tortured. But there was a lot of mental torture, mental anguish bright spotlight grilling questions threats of death a mutt and Jeff and or good cop bad cop type of a scenario. One gentleman, gentlemen. One KGB guy would come in yelling and screaming rough and gruff. You tell us everything will shoot you tomorrow. The next guy would come in Mr. powers. You help us we can help you trying to get into cooperate trying to get him to reveal secrets. But my father did the following he basically realized he couldn't tell the full truth because he'd give away secrets. But yet he couldn't lie them all the time. Time because he would get caught. So he did the following. He would tell the full truth when he realized that they could verify the information and the press et gave him credibility. He lied to them outright, when he knew there was no way they could find the information names of pilots number of missions specifications. About the equipment on board. Then he would give apart truth apart lie dance around the subject when he knew that they knew something about the question. They were asking, but not enough to counter dick disaster such as the altitude. He was flying. My father always maintained that he was at the maximum amount a tude of sixty eight thousand feet when he was shot down. And he used that figure sixty eight thousand feet because it was close enough to be believable, yet far enough away to keep other pilots out of harm's way should the missions continue. And he wanted to get a message back home was employer the CIA. Hey guys, I'm not telling the full truth. So as a result, people in America and around the world thought that he had collaborated with the enemy that he coke, walk rated that he spilled his guts because he was perceived to have cooperated. But all the time he was not giving away any specific details and holding back quite a bit from the. Soviets that they couldn't find and other resources. And then the other part of Frank's question, the, the part about the set of seventy thousand feet that had to be of tricky not only is your playing blowing up around you, but you've got a long way to the ground. Well, let me explain what he went through after the shootdown eight missiles, were fired Soviet essay to one of them explodes near enough to the tail section at seventy thousand five hundred feet to cause structural failure as a result. The shock wave hits the plane it pushes it forward. Throws my father back in his seat. Dad realizes something's gone wrong. The controls no longer respond. You can't fly a plane without a tail section. The near miss of the Soviet essay to explode behind the plane pushes it forward, the nose drops down pitches, Ford instantaneously, as soon as the nose pitches. Four. The wings snap off. The few Salaj goes into an inverted spin. My father is hanging basically upside down by his seatbelt, his harness. He cannot get his legs into the proper position to use the ejection seat. He is spinning down towards the ground. He's being banged around. He's thinking I need to hit the destruct button. But he's also thinking I have two out of this plane, if he jacks, he will sever his legs off. So he does the following he opens up the canopy, which floats off into space. He undoes his harness and immediately sucked up halfway out of the cockpit. He is still connected by his air hose, half in the cockpit have out of the cockpit two or three feet of air hose being banged around can no longer reach or get to the destruct button. He's realizing is getting closer and closer to the ground, he break. Makes really your hose false fear. The airplane has parachute opens automatically at fifteen thousand feet. He parachutes down to the ground to complicate matters as this is happening his face plate has frosted over. So we can't see past as knows all he knows, is that he's getting closer and closer to the ground. Once he gets away from the airplane, once he breaks, the air hose and his parachute opens at fifteen thousand feet. He realizes I can breathe oxygen on my own. He takes off his face plate. He surveys the countryside. He parachutes down to the ground on the way down. He notices a dark car following his dissent. He lands on the outskirts of a collective farm. The farmers rush up to him help him relies. He's not a Russian or Soviet at turn them over to the local officials. And that's when he's been turned over to the KGB. It was a dad was lucky to live through this direct hit at the missile impacted the plane, he and the plane would have been in little pieces because it was a near miss. He was able to get out of the plane after falling for about thirty to forty thousand feet, even though he didn't have a chance to hit the self destruct button. I would have to assume that from that altitude. There was that much left. That's a good point the plane fluttered down and fell down and their impact craters and most of the equipment, all of equipment was damaged. Crushed shattered broken. And the funny thing in my research. The exterior of the plane was black, there was no identification marks on the airplanes, that were flying over the Soviet Union. It was a covert mission. But on the inside, they were stamped Pratt, Whitney G E made in USA. So even though my father was not able to hit the destruct button. If. Was able to it would've only destroyed a small section of the components inside the airplane..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

KLBJ 590AM

14:32 min | 3 years ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on KLBJ 590AM

"And welcome back to Costa goes. We are with badge. Brad Schreiber and his book, shelled revolutions. And we're talking about the Patty Hearst situation. I don't recall Brad anybody reporting on Patty's relationship with the freeze prior to the kidnapping. Did anybody know that then yes, but it was never in book form, George, I contacted a guy named dick. Russell who's actually worked with Jesse. Ventura on some of his books way back in nineteen. Seventy six dick Russell it a groundbreaking article about the SLA and he had all this information including her relationship with decrees and freeze being a mind control victim at Bach avail it never took off. It was in Argosy magazine magazine that no longer exists. It was picked up in some of the weeklies in college newspapers. And it was. Completely ignored by the mainstream press for forty years. And I finally said, I can't stand it. If I see one more documentary, or one more movie, or one more book that ignores the fascinating intelligence angles of this story. I'm going to go crazy. And I realize listen pal, you're going to have to write it yourself. We all thought at the time Brad that Patty was brainwashed. When she went into the Bank with the other SLA members, we thought that they forced her. You know, they threatened a killer. She had to do that. I'm beginning to think she was willing. Well, this is the most interesting psychological aspect of the case George because even though she knew defray she was not involved in her kidnapping. She was thrown in the closet. She was threatened, but what your listeners need to remember, each she was already a radical a lot of people at the time, when how did she converts so quickly? She must have been complicit in her kidnapping the reason Americans couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of her. Joining them is that she was already a radical, and it was only a short distance between being kept in a closet threatened and finally thing. Okay. You know what? You've convinced me the FBI and the police are going to kick down the door and kill all of us. I'm with you. But my attitude is, she should never have done any jail. Time because it was coercion. And I can talk about the trial and all the failures in the trial to get her off. But basically, the main reason Patty Hearst did time is in the seventies and frankly to my knowledge today, there is no defense for mental coercion. In a federal case you can't say people threatening and kept me in the closet. And so when I robbed that Bank, I wasn't in my right mind there. Literally is no defense in American jurisprudence that would help you in a case like that, there was some kind of syndrome, which I think they've looked at where people who are in stressful situations. Stuck to adapt almost like a chameleon. Yeah. It's, it's called the Stockholm syndrome and weirdly enough, George. The Stockholm syndrome came out. Out of a Bank robbery and Stockholm Sweden in nineteen seventy three the year before she was kidnapped. And the reason that that's now famous is those Bank robbers were actually quite nice. No one was killed. And they spent many hours inside the Bank until they gave up and the women who were spending time hours with the Bank, robbers, got to know them when they went to trial. They asked the court in Stockholm, please go leniently on these guys. They're not really bad indus- Stockholm syndrome was born. She'll Brad, when you looked at all of this for you, personally, as a researcher and author which. Area, just blew your mind. I think the treatment of prisoners in the seventies was much worse. Now I'm not going to be one to say that there isn't a prison industrial complex. I think that there are a lot of people who are rested, for minor drug offenses and do time this country today. But I gotta tell you, I was absolutely horrified by the documents that showed me that certain prisoners, especially black prisoners had drugs injected into them were ordered to kill other prisoners were thrown into isolation for months at a time. It was the wild west George, they were offered to deal drugs and the prisoner would get thirty percent and the California Department of corrections officer, we'd get seventy percent. And the reason it was this crazy is because there was. Infrastructure radicals in prison in northern California, who had incredible power, even though they were jailed and we're communicating with radicals on the outside. So the California Department of corrections was was really coming down. They were really bringing down the hammer because there was so much political activism, some of it violent going on being directed by convicts behind bars. What's should now? Well, as I noted the end of revolutions, and there's been progress in the penal system, because back in the seventies, they had something called the indeterminate sentencing act, so you could be sixteen seventeen years old, and hold up a liquor store. Let's say no one is injured but they catch you. They could give you a year to life. And something called the adult Asari in California would determine not the courts, but a group of a group of officers connected to the adult thirty would determine whether you would ever see daylight again. And they really granted paroles. So what happened is the prisoners felt it was so unfair in the white radicals on the outside went this is insane. You're throwing people away for minor crimes, and there's and the rotting in prison that this whole angry political movement came out of, and there was a guy named George Jackson. I remember him. Yeah. Road blue blood, my eye and Soledad brother, and he was very poetic writer, and he was one of these prisoners, who galvanized this movement. I think it was insane because if you want to affect political change, and you think the country's racist, or you're sick of the Vietnam war. You don't go to people behind bars to effect political change. But yet, that's what happened with the radicals in California, they went to black prisoners, and that is exactly why those white people followed Donald the freeze without asking any questions and a lot of people may not remember, but Patty Hearst also went to jail. She was sentenced to seven years. Got twenty two months before president Carter commuted or sentence. Absolutely right. And I don't know if you have ever discussed it on your show, but there's a bizarre connection to Jonestown. I have not tell us in revolutions end and just the short version of it is that Representative Leo Ryan from San Mateo county where I used to live in northern California knew that Donald the freeze had undergone behavior modification add vodka Vale prison, therefore. He knew that a guy who's complicit with the CIA had kidnapped Patty Hearst. And it was Representative Leo Ryan who went to Jimmy Carter and said, listen, this young woman, she might have been a radical, but she didn't actually break the law, and she should never have been jailed. She was caught up in a blown CIA operation. And it was Jimmy Carter who said, okay, we'll lesson or sentenced to twenty two months. Do you believe that though I do? And in fact, you know, when Jim when Jim Jones, and that whole meltdown in Jonah, half and Representative Leo. Ryan was murdered. He had five of his adult children. Ryan's children file in federal court, a lawsuit against the CIA and the charges were that the CIA was running Jonestown as a behavioral experiment, and that they that they were complicit in the murder of Representative Ryan and others and not to surprise Ingley. They threw it out of court. They never even heard it when he was assassinated, what lit up to that. Ryan, who, by the way, I net when I was a really young kid. He was my Representative in San Mateo county. He was a real clean of grandstand, or he used to go to the CIA and Langley, just surprise them with Bizet and say, you know, I want complete transparency in what you're doing. I wanna know what you're doing. And see, I of course hated that Leo. Ryan was the biggest enemy of the CIA in the seventies, and he was the kind of guy he was a little bit of a show boater, you might say, he wants pretended to be a convict. So he would be locked up in jail. So he could see the conditions of jail. He was one of those kinds of guys, it was a crusader, but he also loved to be in the limelight. And when he heard from members of the Jonestown community that there were all kinds of horrible things going on. That they were virtually slaves who couldn't leave use of drugs death threats. He said, I've got to investigate this, and that tragically led to what happened in Jonestown, a great article by guy named John judge on the internet. He's a he's a legitimate researcher. And the piece is called the black hole of John and still on the net. And it's the single best piece I've ever read about what happened in Jonestown. What do you think Jeffrey Toobin 's book? Well, we knew that would come up. I actually read American heiress about petty her. Of course, you know, Jeffrey Toobin is a lawyer. He's not a writer. He completely ignored all the CIA and LAPD stuff and he also got a lot of other things wrong like addresses and stuff. So it's frustrating, but I understand that, that in the last forty years, nobody wanted to write this book. And like I said before I realized, I'm going to have to do it. And the thing that annoys me the most about two bins book. Is he said that the California medical facility in vodka? Ville was a very unstructured prison. Hello, Jeffrey Toobin. Have you done your research? Did you know that the CIA ran a project called 'em case? Search, did you know they were injecting prisoners with succeed. Choline and pro Lixin my control go, there George because it niggardly this kind of book doesn't sell as well as very generalized book. But my conscience told me I had to write it, how bad was it then Brad, how bad is it now in terms of CIA involvement might? Mind. Control is an all over the place. No. It's not as bad as it used to be thankfully, nineteen seventy six it was an Idaho Senator Frank church. You might remember him. So there was a lot of sunshine on some of the mind control projects that the CIA ran, and, you know, another aspect that has improved. There was this guy. Thera- Wheeler, who long story short was a black prisoner who was assigned he was allowed to also scape, and it was supposed to work with the freeze, but he thought that the freeze was crazy that they would all wind up dead. And a wheel was right. The reason I bring up thorough Wheeler is because they're Wheeler had peptic ulcer. So he set you himself, cooperate with the CDC in the CIA, if the let me out of prison because they won't operate on me literally he could not get an operation for this horrible bleeding ulcer, and he figured once I get out of prison a go on the run, and I'll find a doctor to operate on me today. That would never happen, literally prisoners can sue the states and the penal systems if they do not get medical hell no, they need in their, their obligated to get medical treatment it. So that's a lot better. I'm not saying there aren't drugs in the prisons today being dealt. But back in the day in California, like I said, if, if a CDC officer wanted to work with the prisoner like. I want you to snitch for me. Here's here's what I'll do. I'll let you run these drugs anything from marijuana to heroin and you get to keep thirty percent and is the correctional officer. Get seventy percent..

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on Talk 650 KSTE

Talk 650 KSTE

09:50 min | 3 years ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on Talk 650 KSTE

"The dangerous real and the romance pretty much left to the imagination in actual espionage work Francis. Gary powers junior is our guest. He is told the story of his father in the book spy pilot, one eight six six five O JIMBO and to call from Mike and Columbus Ohio now. Good evening, Mike and welcome to the Jim Bohannon show. Hey, good evening. Let me tell you about a story that happened back in nineteen seventy I went to a concert with three other people in a car. We were driving down the freeway, and we saw some cars ahead of us. Stop report over on the side of the freeway looking straight up in the air. And I said pull over pull over a black flying saucer black triangle offering above that. They thought I was nuts. We pulled off. But we looked up above. There was a black triangle just about three hundred fifty four hundred fifty feet above us just hovering above us. And we stared at it got out of the car. Couldn't believe it, and it stayed there for about thirty seconds to forty seconds. And then it switched out of the sky like. As fast as light. I've never seen anything so fast. I didn't know what it was later. I looked at Argosy magazine years later back. And Argosy magazine had a picture of this. Same thing that I thought was the flying saucer. Right. They said, it was the stealth fighter. And and all. Said that cannot hover. Well, I beg to differ because I personally saw hovering. Well, it to say the least I'm not sure if you have any comment about that Francis. But go ahead. Well, I I am a knowledgeable a little bit about UFO's. But my extent is in regards to the YouTube program, the seventy one program the testing that happened at area fifty one basically in the nineteen sixties and seventies fifty percent of all UFO sightings were attributed to you too and SR seventy ones. However, the other fifty percent is still unaccounted for fair enough fall, right? One eight six six five O, JIMBO to Frank in Cumberland, Maryland next on the Bohannon show. Good evening. Frank two questions. Please. How did the Russia's Crete Francis? Gary powers in captivity was he tortured or did he reveal any secrets and the second question is how did he getting down from above seventy thousand seat is a seat in a self? How did he manage to stay alive? Well, oil hours after having been shot down. Okay. Two very good questions. I his treatment in captivity. What did your father never tell you about Francis? My father related the following to me, basically the first week he was lying to his captors outright. He was trying to mislead them. Anyway, could but then international headlines appeared, and basically the KGB was coming in with copies of newspapers and telling him that they were lying. He was lying to them. They they were able to show that he said he was trained in Arizona. The New York Times says he was trained in Nevada at area fifty one and they were able to trip him up in some of his lies. So my father resorted to the following during his interrogation during the interrogation. He was never physically tortured. But there was a lot of mental torture mental anguish bright spotlight grilling questions threats of death. A mutton, Jeff and or good cop bad cop type of a scenario. One gentleman, a gentleman one KGB guy would come in yelling and screaming rough and gruff you tell us everything will shoot you tomorrow. The next guy would come in Mr. powers, you help us. We can help you trying to get him to cooperate trying to get him to reveal secrets, but my father did the following. He basically realized he couldn't tell the full truth because he'd give away secrets, but yet he couldn't lie to them all the time because he would get caught. So he did the following. He would tell the full truth when he realized that they could verify the information and the press at gave him credibility. He lied to them outright. When he knew there was no way, they could find the information names of pilots number of missions specifications about the equipment on board. Then he would give a part truth apart lie dance around the subject when he. Knew that they knew something about the question. They were asking but not enough to counter addict his answer such as the altitude. He was flying. My father always maintained that he was at the maximum altitude of sixty eight thousand feet when he was shot down. And he used that figure sixty eight thousand feet because it was close enough to be believable yet far enough away to keep other pilots out of harm's way, should the missions continue. And he wanted to get a message back home to his employer. The CIA. Hey, guys, I'm not telling the full truth. So as a result people in America and around the world thought that he had collaborated with the enemy that he cooperated that he spilled his guts because he was perceived to cooperated. But all the time he was not giving away any specific details and holding back quite a bit from the Soviets that they couldn't find and other resources, and then the other part of Frank's question. The the part about the descent from seventy thousand feet that had to be awfully tricky. Donald is your plane blowing up around you. But you've got a long way to the ground. Well, let me explain what he went through after the shootdown eight missiles were fired Soviet essay twos. One of them explodes near enough to the tail section at seventy thousand five hundred feet to cause structural failure. As a result the shock wave hits the plane. It pushes it forward. Throws my father back in his seat. Dan realizes something's gone wrong. The controls no longer respond. You can't fly a plane without a tail section the near miss of the Soviet essay to explodes behind the plane pushes it forward the nose drops down pitches Ford instantaneously as soon as the nose pitches Ford the wings snap off the few Salaj goes into an inverted spin. My father is hanging. Basically upside down by his seat belt is harness. He cannot get his legs into the proper position to you the objection seat he is spinning down towards the ground. He's being banged around. He's thinking I need to hit the destruct button. But he's also thinking I have to get out of this plane if he had checks he will sever his legs off. So he does the following. He opens up the canopy which floats off into space. He undoes his harness and was immediately sucked up halfway out of the cockpit. He is still connected by his air hose. Half in the cockpit. Have out of the cockpit. Two or three feet of air hose being banged around can no longer reach or or get to the destruct button. He's realizing he's getting closer and closer to the ground. He breaks really your hose, false fear. The airplane has parachute opens automatically at fifteen thousand feet. He. He parachutes down to the ground to complicate matters. As this is happening his face plate has frosted over. So we can't see past his nose. All he knows is that he's getting closer and closer to the ground. Once he gets away from the airplane. Once he breaks the air hose and his parachute opens at fifteen thousand feet. He realizes I can breathe oxygen on my own. He takes his face plate. He surveys the countryside. He parachutes down to the ground on the way down. He notices a dark car following his dissent. He lands on the outskirts of a collective farm. The farmers rush up to him. Help him relies. He's not a Russian or a Soviet at tournament over to the local officials. And that's when he's been turned over to the KGB. It was a dad was lucky to live through this. Direct hit had the missile impacted the plane. He and the plane would have been in little pieces it because it was a near miss. He was able to get out of the plane after falling for about thirty to forty thousand feet. Even though he didn't have a chance to hit the self destruct button. I would have to assume that from that altitude. There wasn't that much left. That's a good point the plane fluttered down and fell down and their impact craters and most of the equipment all of the equipment was damaged crushed shattered broken. And the funny thing in my research, the exterior of the plane was black. There was no identification marks on these airplanes that were flying over the Soviet Union was a covert mission. But on the inside they were stamped Pratt Whitney G E made in USA. So even though my father was not able to hit the destruct button. If he was able to they would have only destroyed a small section of the components inside the airplane. Right. It would not have destroyed everything Boorda come back in a moment. You might not be able to get a new car with your tax refund. But.

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"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

KTAR 92.3FM

09:51 min | 3 years ago

"argosy magazine" Discussed on KTAR 92.3FM

"The danger is real and the romance pretty much left to the imagination in actual espionage work Francis. Gary powers junior is our guest. He is told the story of his father in the book spy pilot, one eight six six five zero JIMBO and to call from Mike in Columbus Ohio now. Good evening, Mike and welcome to the Jim Bohannon show. Good evening. Let me tell you about a story that happened back in nineteen seventy I went to a concert with three other people in a car. We were driving down the freeway, and we saw some cars ahead of us. Stop pulled over on the side of the freeway looking straight up in the air. And I said pull over pull over a black flying saucer, black triangle. Above us. They thought I was nuts. We pulled over we looked up above. There was a black triangle just about three hundred fifty four hundred fifty feet above a just hovering above us. And we stared at it got out of the car couldn't believe it, and it stayed there for about thirty seconds, forty seconds. And then it switched out of the sky like. As fast as light. I never seen anything so fair. I didn't know whether it was right later. I looked at Argosy magazine years later back. And Argosy magazine had a picture of the same thing that I thought was a flying saucer. Right. They said, it was the stealth fighter. And and all the cool in Argosy magazine said the south cannot hover. Well, I beg to differ because I personally saw it hovering. Well, interesting to say, the least I'm not sure if you have any comment about that Francis. But go ahead. Well, I I am a knowledgeable a little bit about UFO's. But my extent is in regards to the YouTube program, the SR seventy-one program the testing that happened at area fifty one basically in the nineteen sixties and seventies fifty percent of all UFO sightings were attributed to you too and SR seventy seventy-one. However, the other fifty percent is still unaccounted for fair enough. All right, one eight six six five zero JIMBO to Frank in Cumberland, Maryland next on the Bohannon show. Good evening Frank to questions, please. How did the Russia's creek Francis? Gary powers in captivity. What's he tortured or reveal any secrets and the second question is how did he get down from above seventy thousand feet is feeding itself. How did he manage to do and stay alive? Well, oil hours after having been shot down. Okay. Two very good questions. I his treatment in captivity. What did your father never tell you about them Francis? My father related the following to me, basically the first week he was lying to his captors outright. He was trying to mislead them. Anyway, could but then international headlines appeared, and basically the KGB was coming in with copies of newspapers and telling him that they were lying. He was lying to them. They they were able to show that he said he was trained in Arizona. The New York Times says he was trained in Nevada at area fifty one and they were able to trip him up in some of his lies. So my father resorted to the following during his interrogation during the interrogation. He was never physically tortured. But there was a lot of mental torture mental anguish bright spotlight grilling questions threats of death. A mutton, Jeff and or good cop bad cop type of a scenario. One gentleman, a gentleman one KGB guy would come in yelling and screaming rough and gruff you tell us everything will shoot you tomorrow. The next guy would come in Mr. powers, you help us. We can help you trying to get into cooperate trying to get him to reveal secrets, but my father did the following. He basically realized he couldn't tell the full truth because he'd give away secrets, but yet he couldn't lie to them all the time because he would get caught. So he did the following. He would tell the full truth when he realized that they could verify the information and the press at gave him credibility. He lied to them outright. When he knew there was no way, they could finally information names of pilots number of missions specifications about the equipment on board. Then he would give a part truth apart lie dance around the subject when he. Knew that they knew something about the question. They were asking but not enough to contradict his answer such as the altitude. He was flying. My father always maintained that he was at the maximum amount of sixty eight thousand feet when he was shot down. And he used that figure sixty eight thousand feet because it was close enough to be believable yet far enough away to keep other pilots out of harm's way, should the missions continue. And he wanted to get a message back home to his employer. The CIA. Hey, guys, I'm not telling the full truth. So as a result people in America and around the world thought that he had collaborated with the enemy that he cooperated that he spilled his guts because he was perceived to have cooperated. But all the time he was not giving away any specific details and holding back quite a bit from the Soviets that they couldn't find and other resources, and then the other part of Frank's question. The the part about the descent from seventy thousand feet had to be awfully tricky. Not only is your plane blowing up around you. But you've got a long way to the ground. Right. Well, let me explain what he went through after the shootdown eight missiles were fired Soviet essay twos. One of them explodes near enough to the tail section at seventy thousand five hundred feet to cause structural failure. As a result the shock wave hits the plane. It pushes it forward. Throws. My father back in his seat, dad realizes something's gone wrong. The controls no longer respond. You can't fly a plane without a tail section the near miss of the Soviet essay to explodes behind the plane pushes it forward the nose drops down pitches Ford instantaneously as soon as the nose pitches Ford the wings snap off the fuselage goes into an inverted spin. My father is hanging basically upside down by his seat his harness. He cannot get his legs into the proper position to use the ejection seat. He is spinning down towards the ground. He's being banged around. He's thinking I need to hit the destruct button. But he's also thinking I have to get out of this plane. If he had jacks he will sever his legs off. So he does the following. He opens up the canopy which floats off into space. He undoes his harness and is a mmediately sucked up halfway out of the cockpit. He is still connected by his air hose. Half in the cockpit. Have out of the cockpit. Two or three feet of air hose being banged around can no longer reach or or get to the destruct button. He's realizing he's getting closer and closer to the ground. He breaks really air hose, false fear. The airplane has parachute opens automatically at fifteen thousand feet. He. He parachutes down to the ground to complicate matters. As this is happening his face plate has frosted over. So we can't see past his nose. All he knows is that he is getting closer and closer to the ground. Once he gets away from the airplane. Once he breaks the air hose and his parachute opens at fifteen thousand feet. He realizes I can breathe oxygen on my own. He takes off his face plate. He surveys the countryside. He parachutes down to the ground on the way down. He notices a dark car following his dissent. He lands on the outskirts of collective farm. The farmers rush up to him help him realize he's not a Russian or a Soviet at turn them over to the local officials. And that's when he's been turned over to the KGB. It was a dad was lucky to live through this. Direct hit had the missile impacted the plane. He and the plane would have been in little pieces because it was a near miss. He was able to get out of the plane after falling for about thirty to forty thousand feet. Even though he didn't have a chance to hit the self destruct button. I would have to assume that from that altitude. There wasn't that much left. That's a good point the plane fluttered down and fell down and their impact craters, and and most of the equipment all of the equipment was damaged crushed shattered broken. And the funny thing in my research, the exterior of the plane was black. There was no identification marks on the airplanes that were flying over the Soviet Union. It was a covert mission. But on the inside they were stamped Pratt Whitney G E made in USA. So even though my father was not able to hit the destruct button. If he was able to it would have only destroyed a small section of the components inside the airplane. Right. It would not have destroyed everything Boorda come back in the moment. You might not be able to get a new car with your tax refund. But you can.

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