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Gelfand and Levin Share Lessons from Ardians Rise and Falland Rise Again. Would They Do It Again?
"Yeah. Let me welcome back to the med tech talk podcast. You're listening to episode one thirty five you're gonna hear some familiar voices in this podcast other than my own. Of course, because this is part two of my conversation with Howard Levin in Mark Guelph in the principles of Carinthia. Our last episode I spoke with Mark and Howard about how they came together, and you can still find that podcast on our podcast page. Go to med tech conference dot com today, we'll talk about their highest profile success to date Ardian, which is easily one of the biggest stories in med tech startups over the past two decades Ardian had a huge win a huge high in two thousand eleven Medtronic announced it would pay eight hundred million dollars up front this startup company that pushed the once kinda crazy sounding idea of a blading renal nerves to lower hypertension Ardian raised about seventy million dollars from some really. Excellent. Blue chips CVC's was forged in the foundry. So had a great pedigree and VC's proudly shared that the urn outs for could push the the final purchase price over billion dollars. So this was a huge win for midtech when it desperately needed at hell. It was two thousand eleven three years after the big recession ever needed a big win. But attacks return in attack that felt really good. But then came the low day before a couple of days before J P Morgan's healthcare meeting in two thousand fourteen Medtronic announced that early results of simplicity ATM three. This is the third clinical trial a larger trial that included randomize single blind sham control elements produce disappointing results showed no difference between the control arm and the treatment arms. So things were bleak. Renal innovation was dead until it wasn't. Let's get into the center of you. Do you lake talking about or do you feel? It's sort of you. Okay. I mean, it was enormous success story. And I just it's just. It's a it follows a classic drama. You know is under a medic opera. Yeah. Highs and lows. We cover their redemption stage. So we've been. Deemed now, it's fun to talk about the there wasn't. Hey, Mark early would not Mark wasn't marking in the in the former Soviet Union. Didn't they have rehabilitation? Are we being real hickory abilities? Yeah. So what happened? Why is innovation back in favor? So you early on in two thousand fourteen a lot of supporters felt that the Metron trial wasn't designed properly in Metron ick has revised its trial, and it actually improves the device this time the trial. That's undergoing is called Sproul. And it includes patients who have taken anywhere from zero. So no meds to three meds. Whereas the simplicity trial patients took an average of five minutes this trial. Also, excludes patients with isolated systolic hypertension who are typically resistant to Reno renovation. So in these revised trials the results have been a lot more favorable rental innovations showing that works so this exonerated audience early backers. And of course, Guelph in eleven because it was their reputation really on the line. They were the ones that comb through medical libraries looking for clues about hacking, the human body to be back, hypertension. They were the ones who tried to replicate. A decades old surgery. That surge would use would try to treat rather unresponsive hypertension by severing nerve. Near the kidney. So that procedure work, but it was dangerous in Howard Levin in Mark elfin. So our blading tissue as a safer alternative. And they didn't find a lot of buyers are a lot of believers in Silicon Valley early on. But finally, the folks at the foundry, but in Ardian was a quick success. And soon we saw dozens of other Reno evasion approaches that were being undertaken those all went away after the simplicity trial produce, it's disappointing results. The entire area is Howard will will discuss with declared debt until of course, we saw some positive results from the new Medtronic trial now realtor Navision is back in favour. So how did Howard Levin Mark elfin? Enjoy this roller coaster ride. Let's listen now is popular time to be renovation again. But it moves such amazing story where you had this this idea that I think kind of broke at the time, it seemed metric seem to be very iterative people were kinda taking swinging for singles enough or home runs. This was clearly a home run. And then there were so many people who follow the rumored to be what sixty four sixty two companies out there that were were looking at something similar, and then the whole thing just went pouf after that. And now it's backing what is what is the story sort of say about med tech. And are there any lessons that you learn sort of from from that about the sector about yourselves? I well after I got through the depression one one of. We realized was you know, Mark says it's a lot. And I like it. I think it's actually a occurred quote, originally historically, Mantech has been sharp scalpel. Right. It. You know, men tech until you know, I don't know. Hey, speakers things like that. Early on, you know, valves. There is no such thing as a, you know. You know? Device where people sort of you had to prove it in in the sense, you know, my scalpel spending rece- cowboy or my, you know, catheter is better than your catheter or turns or whatever. But the you know, what we learned. What least I learned from the Ardian story was sort of two things one is that. People, you know, literally a couple days after that trial wasn't wasn't nnounced. They had this. Analysts call where the physician who got on the analysts call basically said really rations debt. We're done nothing to do with this. Is it even though nobody really even knew the what the trial was or what the issues were or you know, and over time people have been able to to to look at it. We took a hit certainly at least. People unsure people said are, you know, the smart asses. You know, they they were so smart, you know, knowing citing looking through science in this, and that whatever and it young. Week. I. Not sure I doubted that the physiology was correct, but I certainly was concerned of the translation of the physiology to clinical utility. And you know, it certainly made me down, myself, and and doubt the approach. But you had to you know. Well, even in hope that things would would would work out. But it was it was a it was not fun. Actually, for some reason, I was less upset with a number of reasons. First of all, I his large sort of obsessive compulsive in the details of Zelic pathway invited that time I succeeded his permit on visiting myself that are, you know, dinner ration- physiologically sound, and we started digging into the ticking, the sort of the first entry into Europe of lorden function and to stem circulation just in them through point of this big system elite or on the jisk- action potential deadlines that you have followed in the same pathways. We were there ten years before them trying to understand how to use modification of neural pathways to change functions of organs because most of the drugs that you need your body can create which is wise not doing it. And a lot of those nearly mediated. But soulages started. Ardenne for INA was just the low locating those isolated organic soluble nerves that didn't see that. There's this has the their dinner Vatian, I started while this is falling on the show on the threats of sympathetic is to treat all sorts of diseases. People don't realize now that the nineteen fifties Osma was a surgically created disease. You know, so many other things then there are stepped in taking appeal supposed to solve all the problems in. Our we see set buoyant, you know, the voting people are coming back to saying. Well, you know, it looks like we are not getting a lot of new drugs in park line in those are all interacting with each other. And making people feel worse, why won't vote back to those discoveries? When there will know come new there for those diseases metabolic pulmonary occurred vascular so our next enter into the field was listening company. Go CBS in this is where I got there is the fist because I still. I believe that death company fell victim to this sort of. Pendulum. Swing in them. The in the real original net was company modulating karate, what the humor reflects though, the the neural pathway that the response stalks and seal doing blood interim controls a lot of things in the body on and we head well-funded company slowly making progress for early clinical studies in just funding dried out because again, if you mention the word, hypertension, nerve said ablation at that stage Schiff just pro up, and so that was the start of blow to us that was most because you know, we were basically done with railed integration two thousand nine most of their work between data we didn't two thousand three two thousand six. So when nobody heard about that was fundamentally is we will won't it to take what we learn in the flight to other fields. Right now Howard extra just funded the series B company in the modulation of splash Nick nerves which is approach that I think will create a lease the egg big air a field for therapies is argon dated, hypertension. A maybe even bigger in also exploring the pathway that. Sort of Nolan between them maybe a dozen basic scientists are scattered around the world. Yes starts that discovery in fundamental says, but never been used for anything practical. It's nerve that his heart attack says so we're running out of those simple targets like Vegas. But the I think that the riddled innovation overall health because he's brought. This powerful is allergic mechanisms from your relation to their tension of people. In the drug companies device companies in they who actually have power to move it for refunded. And I keep asking myself a question you instead of throwing a party was acquired by j would they also screw up or did? They have fundamentally the knowledge of clinical trial designs that would allow them to choose. Right patients in execute the after yes in terms of controls. It will remain an open question for you. Besides the fact, you just made a lot of friends with those comments. I would like to point. Tweet. While you're not fundamentally, you know raw. I think that what the problem is is that venture capitalists or say, well, they're not wrong that they wanna return on your money. They're wrong in the sense held it out there. The how dare they actually return their that they're wrong in the sense that it, you know, most of the things that are done that are novel are so even even when you get to the completion of PMA trial. It's just to start looking look at the chronicle. You know, like a CR take okay to ten years were after initial approval, basically for things to show that they were actually, you know, mortality differences or emission differences or Yanni it if you didn't have a large. Behind it never would survived as a as a startup. That's it. That's that's where I think medical devices aren't having a real problem where you know, a drug. Let's say you have a compound, right? The drug company will do preliminary trials in X different areas. Just to find out where works. Where in drug in a device company, especially start up you only have x dollars. And you're trying to you know, you basically pull the trigger in you. Go down a roots and your writer you wrong where the actual underlying therapy could have multiple different sakes that can do. So with already in trending toward a much happier ending things must be a lot easier for the guys occurred. Lia right. Let's find out after this break. Hey, one one of the things those tectonic podcast listeners who have used their code to sign up for the midtech conference. I'm really excited to see you all there in Minneapolis. It's wonderful to be able to do this podcast, but I have very little direct interaction listener. So those of you who have used the code again. Thank you. And the Florida seeing Minneapolis please to make the point of stopping by saying. Hi, and let me know what you think about the podcast love to get some direct. Face to face feedback. Those listeners who haven't registered yet. Please do it's it's a great way for the midtech talk podcast community to get together. And you can use the code and save yourself two hundred dollars. That'll get you night at the Lowes, Minneapolis Mattel. So this great chance for many of us to get the other. And again, I look forward to meeting you all directly release those of you who have registered for the conference, and I hope use the code the code is a thank you for for listening and really grateful for your participation in this program and look forward to seeing you on may twenty nine may thirtieth in Minneapolis. So with already in tracking toward a happier ending. You would think that Mark elfin and Howard Lebanon would have an easier time raising money for their startups. Not the case I talked with our Levin about raising money for accent. Which is a very cool company that using neuro modulation to treat heart failure. And it did get the series done. They raise the. Series A with money coming from Deerfield exponential venture capital in a large unnamed strategic, but we'll talk with Howard about. What was so brutal about this particular effort and Marc will offer his thoughts about these state of device VC's, but they're both on lookout for capital from new sources. I'm not talking about China. We talked about that last week. But they've got an interesting approach to raising money from outside the med tech industry. Let's hear what they're doing. How are you? Finding your way around the financing challenge. Because I mean, even with already in union, you had a hard time getting backing for that that wasn't easy and that was a better environment. This so how are you? How are you getting things done today? Two years for for this sort of early stage thing it took two years. So compare this to fifteen years fifteen years ago, I could have had an idea a provisional patents and three picks. Right. And I get funded right now. I had. Ten patients with one year of follow. And it was brutal to get funded. It's just the there's just not enough early stage money for things that are not. You know, next steps or next Gen's or whatever, you know, what I mean, even those are hard. But if you wanna do something, that's. I wanna say revolutionary rather than ever Lucien airy. It's it's it's really really brutally ARD. That's why we're lying on government grants for allows release dangerous or start up funding. Why we're doing? You know, going to places like China and other for funding and everything everything comes with good in bath. There's no, you know, one single right answer. But. I still think medical devices have a lot of legs. I think we're medical devices are going to move though. And maybe Mark can you be historic? Also where I think they're gonna move is more towards. I don't wanna say drug device combinations. But where devices and drugs work better together, either as a diagnostic to allow drugs to. To you have high respond rates for expensive drugs or to prevent side effects of certain. Drugs to to allow them to be used more widely or to actually release in dodge, nece hormone. So for example, in stand of you giving draw that is difficult to give you know. Maybe it's you can't be taken earlier. Maybe there is other things or you wanna give it locally you can actually use it. The vice to release the same in dodge in his substance locally together therapy of war. You know, you're you're delivering device I think Mark is really big into this concept of drug delivery and working. The fact that I'm trying to tap into the company money, but funding, and that's uncertain. Vice vices need to be there's a lot of work were drug companies. Now, there's little pendulum back doors. Local drug deliver. Certainly I think through answers that every dicate every since its change is important and being able to look backwards is advantage. We have running incubator social longtime. I think at any given time there is some source. So funding in keeps changing the third issue. What we call device species are as good as dead and there's good as dead because the KENDALL told stock long enough is the timelines agrees. Friends. I'll tell you you were recently. I care. Story. No it they're working that. So the there in some. But there are other people at some point it was office at the start. Teaching incorporates investors venture arms was stepping up to fund early stage development because they concerned with their five lines is a northern push it. You know, they put the caboose ahead of that make head of the engine. It it produced some excellent results we saw as its in certain areas where suddenly you have companies like Google such stepping up which is scale with not stepping up to the play till wear. Those VC's banished out of that space. We see government support with store influx of money from China, which is very hunger avation in the hunger with their thrown Spurs, and but also just has too much money. Yes, band again, though, we will looking if the changes markets north as much as a source of funding initiative, but in the source of large clinical of base, you know, doing clinical studies there on, but then we started getting interested in the south bay pathways where you know, you don't have to wait to twenty years for 'imbursement through. Together coalition so Meyer, this is there is always something going on. This is not a static industry gifts changing gifts AWali. And what's what we would do today is totally dissimilar from what we would have done with the same idea than years ago. And. Still in the game. Yeah. But the only modification were made to that is it's that we like this one thing we just got funded is along the lines of sort of Ardian hype approach restarted with physiological thing. And then we move to humans. You know, Preuss oh stuff at cetera such cetera. But we can't you can't do that as a living in the sense. You have to layer on all these other things if you want to be able to you know, have enough shots on goal that you're going to be able to be confident that at least some of the things are going to be fundable moving forward. All of them are. But you're you hope all of this. Unless you are in a theater, and then they're all the companies get funded, and then all of them get acquired, even if they all come with each other. How different things today from when Howard Levin and Mark elfin created Ardian. Well financing remains a challenge, and perhaps even more of a challenge the FDA is better at least it's better than it was about ten years ago. So that's good news reimbursement. However is the new hurdle. And it's one that I asked about in context REM was it something that they considered when they created the company led to an interesting conversation and to the raising with question would they try to start Ardian again today, you might not like the answer? Did you bring reimbursement and sort of the the hospital side of things into those discussions early on or was too. No, not too. Now. Now, it's it's really funny. The company before Ardila C H have solutions. I remember we were sitting in a board bleeding with the some of these seas. And we said, it was actually, you know, thirty year old technology that we that that we're able to make into take away from a complex Nephrology base thing. Making to a simple heart failure pretty thing. And there are a lot of young Goodson bands. Learn from it. But one of the things just illustrate your point about reimbursement as we were talking to the board and said, you know, we are worried about reimbursement was boardrooms has what are you were either reversion for, you know, that's that's not something we need to have a town two thousand. And hint earn -dorsements would be probably just one of the few things will do different. Don't do. You know? I think the world has changed so much that I would not dare to bring the day air. If therapy for. Pretension, you know, you can treat numbers unique to diseases in humans lumper's by by our nature. We want to find one number the report on their the gigantic umbrella, lots of people with different ideologies. Origins of their condition than I think with nowadays. We would probably always locate the patient selection as the first step which patients we theme that group will piper tension going to treat in the UAE whole. That's the way we approach things. Now that probably was the biggest change. I don't think we were own get the filter with a venue ponding on the CEO of a with a just a single we're going to type tension. Money. They're always sage money today doesn't necessarily require you to have reimbursement unknown pathway, but they will this count shoes for even if you know, it, you know, if you have to give a new code, you get this kind of for that, you know, if you can show that you could piggyback on somebody's embarrassment. There's good and bad. If it seems good reimbursement than good if it's ban reimbursement. You know, like not enough reimbursement for what they're looking for them. You know, now becomes an issue. So you need to have a plan for reimbursing have reasonable thing. And you know, it it's it makes you drive a lot of the other decisions in terms of everything from how much can I vice cost to you know, how many people are gonna use it into your how long is it gonna take to get the clinical data in order to get your coat instead. Like that. Can you lose? It all goes into the funding risk yet. Oh, you're in the way, if you compare dinner vision in things went over vicious in the wrong because of over stool tower, which was a much better. So to execute it pathway open the nation in the main difference with strike immediately that they knew surely Taveres started from this is the small group of patients that too old and come morbid for Surgers searches dick of no options, if we don't do something they will die. Let's go and get an indication for this patient. So that death allows that early entry into the market space. We what? Prototype. More. You should bring up a really good point though. The point is that look the difference between the two clinical. If you look at tavern, right? There is a entrenched belief. That reducing the gradient a order cranium down to normal number is the answer. You don't you don't have to prove that early on maybe down the line? Right. But you don't have to prove early on that it's better to have a normal gradient and a really high gradient, right? So if you can show that that and point is a believe, it was a similar thing early on in in pretension, where if I drop led pressure by a lot it was considered good and simplicity three would've work people. Probably would have continued on long what those lines. Some where? Maybe fallacy. But or maybe not, you know, nobody really knows. But in the end, they would have believed that. You know, reducing blood pressure enough itself was enough. They're always constituencies than don't like what you're doing. If your new thing right with see Jeff solutions than the frolic hated us. They wrote letters to the American society of letter to the FDA basically saying or somebody within it basically saying how can you let party jets do alteration? It's unsafe it Satra and. There's I personally don't think that's true. I understand that you'll be were stepping on their turf. And we certainly didn't do a good job of working with them. Which is what we should've done in order to make the transition or work together, or whatever where you know in tavern. You're not really weren't working against anybody. No, no. No drugs that could help you fix the distant the wealthiest. So. It's not like a is a free through with the metabolic disease or Osmo something where you buy hypertension fighting against the optimal therapies in the question pounds up as what is optimal. Or what his dog resistant all those questions are ration- to the attention of device companies will never own looked upon the never the Mazda gainst optimal drug therapy before vis-a-vis the society of physicians, the really go that it end. The also thinking about it now elected expecter northerner vision to work better than drugs. Waco's most of the hypertension drugs share the physiology Baath way with our of. Remember, right. It was rigid Maly as as are most vices in alternative to be used in drug failures. Right. That's where medical devices usually your thing. And you know, it makes you have to London. It's really maybe not appropriate this discussion, but you know, over this this today's discussion, but you know, if I was going to take the same approach that is used by some for looking at remove Univation looking at other thing in that case. Why would I allow anybody to have a stint or a bypass surgery unless they maximize you prove that they maximize all of the other therapies that? They had I. In you know, did drug testing to show the dick took their stand. You know, your watch them physically take their beta-blocker, that's sort of the, you know, it's there's no consistency. Here among real were in. And I personally believe that you know, what there's a difference between looking at it scientifically and those the concept of scientifically versus the concept work in real world. Do people do better in a real world because they don't take their drugs or they don't do this or they don't do that on average. These people do better with a particular intervention than you know. Forcing them to do this because nobody eat wants trials done. Nobody's gonna do that. I'm curious. The doctor's groups you mentioned do you feel they're less protective of their turf. These days given all the pressure on healthcare to define values in new way to to to treat patients or or is there still that that turf war going on? Still the turf war, and I will personally take responsibility for paying stupid as not. Recognize it and being more appropriate. Previously is not that there's a surly raw, right? It's everyb-. Everybody's just nervous about change. They're trying to. There are two things one is of course, you know, the turf war, but the other one is from the reality, their physicians who care and wanna make sure their patients are getting the right there apiece in were nervous that. You know, there was a novel way to do something that they didn't feel comfortable with. And you know, we didn't do a good job of educating them in whatever. But there are you know, certainly, there are all sorts. It's not much changed on the I I am now working in the sort of this lungcancer area. That's all I attempt. It's a very very big. I think it's very big device up, but unity from the thirty thousand foot view, so but when we started dissecting that market than looking for Unity's in that space way, there is a lot of powerful players. They're surgeries fall flirtation on colleges powerful. You know, you have to end I would just say recently in Europe. I was presenting the ball surgical battle. You know, they basically what they said in sort of mobile than you would here in this country. Get off my turf, I will support you. If you take no surgical candidates, and then you go, but if you touch surgical candidates. Berries for the flight while. Yeah, no pretty blunt and by the steadily that the big big cost. Look just a size of their building. 'send the on this than the building was paid by somebody for reason. Win into to certain link to certain extent, it's that for clearly right? Right to a certain extent, they believe that insurance is the optimal treatment yet. Get out and. Believe power is an excellent word because they never been a single earned the my Strauss. So is a surger producing best results. Because it's a best therapy always producing results because it cherry big best stations out of it. This come orbit patient. Yes. Nobody would want that question today. Terrific. Well, this has been a very enjoyable conversation. I hope you enjoyed it as well. And as I said earlier. Fun already was such a such a thing for my career released was certainly the premanent med tech storage is saying it's birth in its rise in its fall. And now, it's rebirth. It must be must be better time for you saying that the space sort of looked at and more positive fashion again. I mean, it's it's makes us. Feel a lot better. One of the other. Optimist? Documented. Thanks again for your time. That's a wrap. Thanks so much Howard Levin. Mark elfin for their times it really fun conversation. I hope you enjoy both hearts of this interview. 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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)
"Gosh bizarre behavior, national anthem. Are these kids maim? Well, the kind of Jamaica. Mason Ireland Michael Thompson do for Mace and our friend Ramona Shelburne has. Around the horn. It was that I Sola just kept talking allowed to say whether or not you one. I hate you perform well. Well that I don't know about one of these. So one of the reasons I told the story earlier at the top of the first hour this second the Lakers Frank Vogel. Greg Ardian actually announce it well that it got report K, Greg all really had had Michael an eye on the show today. And Greek text me mmediately goes we gotta get Ramon in here. I go like you two homers will just stay the greatest IRO. We a couple of homes Ramona. Yeah, homered. But they were never critical of the Lakers here critical, but we can't be overly critical of this higher because we want we have to see how it works Ramona. Why Vogel let's start there. Michael, you're killing her mind. All right. I can work with that. It's like we're boxing up. So why are they higher Vogel? I mean, it was almost like the last guy at the bar or something. I don't know what it felt like it was the situation was like he actually might be. Okay. The Zeke safe to say that I said earlier. Yeah. He took the deal. He bet on himself. Right. Yeah. Better. Well, he didn't have any other operas, and this we could maybe hoping to get an assistant job, right? I was title. He's getting. But if I was tied Lou, I know that that offer was unfair. And it's not the five year offer that all the coaches are getting, but it would have been six million a year for three years. I would have taken it and bet on myself. Now, I understand why didn't he felt disrespected? But isn't that what Vogel's doing he saying? All right. Let's try let's see if I can make tie was still negotiating, and then they just like there that was a negotiation tactic. At least I thought and too much blood was spilled by it though. I think it was something where he will if you know tied do, you know, Tai have you ever? Proud guy. Like, he does not take anything like disrespect like that. That's why he worked as LeBron's coaches that he wasn't afraid to call him out. Like the first practice he ever coach called run out. And was like, what are you doing man? But you gotta play defense. We'd be better than this. And so that's that was kind of ties best quality. But it's also probably why this deal blew up. But here let me should. I should. I just go big. Yes picture. Here's what I think is happening. And no one actually wants to say it because the actually saying it would be seen as a shot across the bow LeBron or somebody else, right? So, but I think this is the Lakers passive aggressive way of sort of resetting the LeBron era. I think this is their passive aggressive way of saying we need to empower our young guys we need to get back to being a team and not just LeBron and the satellites that revolve around LeBron and the one guy who was really in charge of managing the Braun and that whole relationship was magic, right, right? So magic took his ball went home. And now there's this opportunity, and you don't wanna see it as like a shot at LeBron or anything. I don't think they would overtly do that the reality is you basically just made LeBron's preferred choice an offer he would absolutely refuse. So that you could say that you offered him and you end up with a coach in system with like rent Vogel to me is just so random so random then you put Jason Kidd on his staff who LeBron has a good relationship with. So you can say like we want you to succeed, and we want you to do. Well. But this whole thing has essentially said the front office in charge plinking. And charge. Everybody has to be loyal to his mogul have enough coconuts to challenge the Brown. No, not at all. I mean that was the whole thing with him in Indiana's the guys at some point stop listening to him and they listen to Brian Shaw. But I guess that's why you get Jason Kidd. Okay. Why is it not reversed? Why is not kid the head coach and Vogel the assistant? So I can't answer that specifically. I don't have a speculate. And we just played he said because of kids, Pat, I think so too. You agree. I agree with that. Let me find the Stephen for people here earlier. This is Stephen a Smith. He's not expected to be the coach long-term the loss Angeles Lakers. So what would ask the question why not just hire Jason Kidd head coach? Well, it's very very simple. He has a relatively uncomfortable past one involved. A message violence, obviously it landed up in the divorce driving while intoxicated charge that he had to deal with as well, not to mention the fact that whether it was in Brooklyn, Milwaukee he gave the impression that he wanted more than just head coaching responsibile. He wanted to run the show they knew they couldn't sell him to the public in Los Angeles. They went the route are Frank Vogel. Wa because he accepted three years at five million per year. Not to mention the fact if there's even a modicum of success that he does not have Jason Kidd is in line to be the next head coach. Learning to be the next head coach, Ron just hire them and. Eight said wipe Ronin to us, but. Stop from getting the head coach. Now, why allowed to get the head coach and three years. Well, I think there's things that Jason can probably do publicly on that not really service time politicians head coach Milwaukee Bucks after the incident. I think it's interesting that incident happened when he's a play that have having a longtime ago, and it's sort of like sometimes when things happen in somebody's past. But now, we're at a meet to era now, we're in an era where we're like much more sensitive to domestic violence. Things that got like you would just move on from you're not able to move on from them anymore. Like, you can't just like you almost like I think Jason would have to do something very publicly talking about the incident and acknowledging what happened going to the players Tribune through and some first person him and his wife. He's like talk because there's like. With her, but, you know, their families doing, well, it doesn't even heard anything sense. But either way just it's in his past. And like if you read some of the stories, and before what was in the divorce proceedings, not pretty or Greg made the point earlier Ramona, and by the way, you're listening to case in Los Angeles. If that's enough of a deterrent to keep the Lakers from hiring him as the head coach. Which is what Stephen suggesting why Hiram at all. I think they need him flat out. I just think they need him. I mean, like they need a guy actually weird question. The reaction we've been getting social media reaction is you guys don't understand because you're not women as a woman does is a red flag for you. It is a big red flag, and especially for female ownership big red like, I mean, I I was surprised that you know, if I was Jason, and I was going for any kind of new job after what happened like he? He he. He did he had a two hundred dollar fine and had some probation Michael pointed out he was hired twice as a head coach in other different era. And do you think plays into it that we have a female owner? Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that I don't think I was surprised as even got as far the process he did. Because when he was his name was I brought up the in the in clinic the sense I got from talking to people at the Lakers was that that was a major red flag. But if down the road, and I think they kind of just interviewed him almost as a favourite who is agent favored and staff you feel so strongly about so we'll see what he does now. 'cause I know you know, he he's gonna have to make some. Yeah. I do I think public. I think has to be surprised they hired him without him having done that. And I, but I do think that's coming. Okay. So Vogel takes three year deal. Kid is assistant. Are they dozen three years or two years an option three flat years? I don't know. But I they haven't even announced. Yet. What I mean, there's all just been reported but haven't gotten oppressive with these. So shouldn't be waiting this. You're right. I mean. Yeah, I guess it could it could go the other way. But Ramona are they done hiring name assistance. I don't think. So I think there's gonna be more to come. It's almost like, you know, what Ryan's me of is like, you know in a quarterback situation. Where like, you're not sure who you want. So you just have everybody open up the competition. Right. What it feels like like, I I know Mike Woodson's name had been brought up Lionel Hollins name brought up. I think the Lakers felt like they just want to have a really experienced good staff via think about talking to Marta. I don't think so Michael I'm telling you that I know you're friends with him, and you know, him well that experience he it Golden State traveled through the league like wildfire about how bad he treated people outside the players. I do. I always always say whenever it tells story, Michael that you say that if he got another chance he would learn from that. So I think 'cause marks nice guy and every time I he's great to meet everybody. But apparently if you talked to anyone with the warriors who was not a player, they will not speak well of Mark. And so that's what I think. That's what's kept Ramon in my opinion. That's kept him from getting to on Toshio issues. Right. All right. So let me sit earlier, and I can't tell you where I got this cat from a source, but I trust the source. So me. Phone. He put it on put it on the mic on the way up to up to Oakland. Okay. Ramona. I've heard that LeBron was at least consulted on this signed off by. Yeah. I do I I've I've heard from people and on. And it makes me there's no reason for me to doubt it. But I also think like there's a difference like the Braun is incredibly passive aggressive, and the broad is the kind of guy when he says, I'm staying out of it. Lebron just kept saying to everyone. I'm staying out of this. It's down them to make the coaching higher play. And so, yeah, he was consulted. But he was probably never going to say anything that because that's just not how he rolls, and he was probably like are you getting his real opinion or you getting his I'm staying out of opinion. And I think the Lakers, and we want to talk about the Lakers in general. But let's talk about specifics. So Kurt Rambus has a pretty big voice in the room. Linda, people thought I was crazy with premiums ago. And I said just Kurt the job people. No, the like the P O be kind of almost serving. I told I told Mike is off the Ramona. I saw Kurt yesterday. I neighbours. And so I said how you hold up house Linda holding up and he was he if he's good. He's in. He's in is good. He said they feel kind of good can I let's just let's just reframe where they are where did Kurt Rambis coach before this in a soda New York New York few. I mean, like if they you know, that's the song if you can make it here he can make it anywhere. Like if you've dealt with the New York media if you've dealt with the with living in Knicks land for as long as Kurt did. And Linda did and Phil Jackson who also at a wise, man. See you. You're among the believers Phil weighed in on this and was consulted. Yeah. I do. I think that the one thing if you would just say what all of those people learned now, Jeannie wasn't there to learn from it? But she was with Phil when he had that job. Okay. She was engaged him. The one thing that you would take away from that experience. In New York is the biggest mistake they made. Was giving the no trade clause to Carmelo Anthony. Because it gave a superstar unbridled power over a franchise. And I think they saw the corrosive effects of that on a team because he just had he always had that leverage whether he performed Weller or performed up to it or not. And I think it if they had one thing to do over in New York that would be at that. That's my opinion. I'm not gonna source it or anything. But if if you saw that up close in New York of of how that was never a team Phil was never able to create a team dynamic their cultural dynamic in New York because of the way things went with Carmelo and some of that, I I really believe is on Phil because he didn't have a relationship with Carmela. He wasn't there everyday earning Carmelo's, trust and respect. He would just comment from his, you know, management seats. It just made it a toxic relationship. We're for all involved. You saw it didn't end well for either side. So I think what the Lakers in when I say that. I mean, Kurt and Linda and Phil and and everybody who are making decisions over there. What's the one thing? You learned is what happens. When superstars power is unchecked. This is again, a lot of this is my analysis. But it's it's based on knowing the main people involved, do you believe that that's the decision making council, Kurt genie, Linda, rob? Yes. I don't know who else is would be in. Jesse Joey Jesse Joey Tim went to the meetings out there. Tim probably has a lot of Royce than the. Yeah. It's it's it's a fascinating time to be a Laker fan. Mostly professor so mad Ramona. They're mad at me. I I'm walking down that you don't even check my mentions anymore because it's like, it's not my fault. I'm just here to report on what's going on you used to like what's going on. But right. And I'm Michael earlier and. Calls us a Homer for this. But we're willing to give anything chance, you know. See what happens look at this point somewhere. Here would say this team needs to be sold. You know, he'd be going extremely otherwise the Lakers clearly don't care about winning the press conference. If they wanted to win the press conference, they could have done that like ten times over by the way, we Mike this earlier who's at the press conference as it Vogel and kid you can't do that. Is it with rob? Yeah. Okay. If that's the case Ramona, and you get the first question is it for Vogel, or rob, rob? What is it? Why how did you arrive at choosing Frank Vogel? Well, that'll be the second question. Gonna ask the first question, Jim hill, right? Place where I tried to. I actually try to Jim on ask what he would ask. And you didn't call me back. Well, Jim hill is gonna ask the probably probably I two questions course now since the Lakers of taking care of the coaching position. Yeah. We are. I can't mention it talk about it. But what about July first what's going to happen? What would you Harry Ramona hold that thought we'll back with that answer next rant that? I want to go good. Okay. Yeah. Ramona shelbert sitting in with us Michaels in for Mesa Mason in Ireland ESPN LA sit in Ireland Michael's information. Ramona's here we're covering this. Frank Vogel news. We haven't even great talked about the other playoffs. The fact that the warriors knocked at Houston in Houston. The fact that Colli pulled a full went full Koby lead Toronto that came seven. We'll get to all that coming up. But Ramona you say you have a rant. Maybe I just need to ask Michael. I'm I'm a white girl from the. Just tell me this. I just see this all the time in the NBA where the white guy gets the head job and the black assistant coach gets the job of talking to the players. Does that bother you do, you know, there's a lot of black head coaches in the NBA more than in any other sport, by the way, more than baseball J B Bickerstaff was says a ton of power Nate McMillan at a very good year Indiana's formula like and I thought it was. NBA for the Lakers this time like, you know, magic they land the looked like either money or Lou or tie was going to get it because except the bad deal. And then the white guy took it. The NBA's very fearing comes to minority. Hiring the best the best professional league sports action. But money right for league detainees percent black. They should have more back head coaches. But Michael to your point they have more black head coaches others. Adam silver Ambi as always been ahead of the curve in that. Okay. So Ramona, Michael let your white guilt gift. Refined like magic a lot of heat for not interviewing any other people for the general manager vocal was like the only white guy. They talked to write for coaches, always GM thumb. When magic hired rob Pelinka a lot of people felt, but African American executive you should at least open this up, and they kinda hired rob before they had a chance to talk to any other. Any other candidates big the NBA doesn't great job already all racist. Right. So Ramone, my car Hispanic coach in the league, James Borrego, Becky ham is going to get a job one of these days as a woman, I think everybody says that's going to happen hasn't. I think that what she could do is succeed pop, but I wouldn't have wanted Becky to get the Laker jail because she needs to go to a situation where they're going to give her a chance to grow. Like, I don't want her to get three or deal. I think what happens is pop retires in forty five years. He just signed a new three year deal. I think you got you got a bunch of blind James with the assistant and powder salt told me that that you know, he was there for a long time. He said that everybody on that team already respects her she could coach that team today. So we'll see what happens. All right. So Ramona, Michael, and I are restricted from talking about players who are under contract teams. You are not July. I look into your crystal ball. What do you think the Lakers do who do you think they get if anybody? What they like to do. I think what they would like to do is get. Quiet. I think that's probably number one. Right. Especially after you just saw what even a possibility in European. Yeah. Even it's a possibility. Okay. I still coming. I think the clippers are in the driver's seat. I've thought that for a long time just because he seems to be a guy wants team. And if you come to you're not going to have your own team. I thought Jimmy Butler was like more of an option. But like now the way the Phillies season ended, maybe he stays maybe they run that back again. And so then I think you're looking at more like scoring point guards. I felt like at the end of last season that was one of the big takeaways. They all had is they need a point guard that can generate shots and offense like because the the best pairing. There is ever been for LeBron has been Dwayne Wade. And then another one the other one was Cairo both of whom are arguably shooting guards. Right. I mean Kyrie's a point guard, but he's really kind of a combo guard shooting. So I thought they would go that direction. But I think that's more of what has worked for LeBron. And they seem to be really high on Lonzo in trying to make Lonzo work. So now, I'm not sure I really thought they had a shot at Kyrie. I thought they had a shot at Steven Steven Smith morning on the air said Chi Ri is not happening here. Stephen I got a text message from folks close to Kyrie's family within the hour as we were teasing the subject quote. There is no way in hell. He's going to LA. I don't give a damn what anybody says not that down for us right now. Please here going to LA. That's what they say. I will tell you that if he ended up in LA with LeBron it would be formidable. I think it would make them final four in the Western Conference. They make meaning they'd get at very least to the conference semifinals. I don't think there's any question about that. But from everything that I've been hearing over the last few days career of his head in the New York City kyri Herve in his head in the garden with Kevin Durant. Like his people in his in a circle try to bring the nets into the mix of clearly New York is the destination. The likelihood is that it will be an S G. And obviously max, and I'm just I will admit I'm saying this to Mexico because I know is going to get you going after I say this. I am told that James Dolan himself has basically said whatever the hell you want. I will move the hell out of the way. I will give you what you want. It doesn't matter. Okay. We'll say out take care you too the Kyrie's and the Kevin Durant of the world. So it appears to be a foregone conclusion. I don't know whether that's true or not neither Kevin Durant. Kyrie Irving talking about these things. But I am telling you what the belief is. They are destined to go to MSG, which is why put it at ninety five percent on my social media page because the five percent there people leave. Open is wiggle room. Because they say co particularly with K D, he's a very emotional individual at times. And sometimes, you know, he'll sit there, and you know, he's he's firm in his commitment. But then the emotions get the better him, and he might wanna rethink something. That was Stephen this morning. And I think Michael you still think Durant stain with the warriors. They went eight more games. There's no as leaving Ramona. What do you think Durant? Does. I think he goes to New York. But I am of the opinion that it the chances have been going to New York have gone down since the playoffs started. I I've everything I've heard is that he's kind of back to the old Kevin and enjoying team being part of the team and playing the heck out of the, you know, the key was incredible level before he got hurt. But I think like it just comes down to the camaraderie and Kevin to me is a seeker. He somebody who has never really planted his flag, anywhere, right? He went to four different high schools. I mean, he, you know, he's he's not the kind of. Stays in one place too long single guy. He's not that kind of a meeting with the mix. And then when he has a meeting with lake of and the war is who's going to be more convincing no-balls convinced light-years lake. Oh, he's lake of lake. I've talked to him in the in the past where he's you know. He's like Kevin knows what we have like he's been here. He knows that all they're gonna do is just continue to win in a brand new building where they're going to the stage is going to get even bigger and his opportunities off the court get even more like he knows everything. The warriors have only thing he has to decide is do I want to plant my flag and be part of a family for life or do I want? What's new and people telling me how much they love me. And these are new people, and it's like do you want to get married? You wanna have an affair, right? Yeah. I I don't blame people. I mean, I know that that happens, by the way, it's going to be upset this time. It's going to be the biggest summer of movement in NBA history. Never again. Will this many talented players all move at the same time? What do you say, what are you doing to live? I you guys got a set of like, a rental you and Rachel. And now, you know, it starts at seven pm on June thirtieth. So it's it used to be nine pm. But I think they moved in. Yeah. That's right. So things are happening. A little earlier right more with Ramona more with Michael fasttrack, by the way, coming up in half an hour. Mason in Ireland ESPN LA Mason Ireland show Ramona shelbert sitting in Michael's information fast track coming up in twenty minutes. Okay. We've talked nothing. But Lakers since the start of the show you consider us homeless with Mona. She yours you. Former player you should be a Homer. But I mean, John is a self professed. Biggest homer. The world class Laker apologies. Think. We cannot be objective. When we talk about the Lakers. Yes. The question you already know the answer to all I say the Frank Vogel higher. Don't get fire. Let's just wait and see how it works out. Sure. He wasn't their first choice. But maybe he'll be a good choice. All right. Let's tackle bad for free. Greg book says a dose the fire before even gives the chance to coach. It's such a weird random higher that you feel bad for him that maybe people actually give him a chance because they feel bad for him. Michael. I I I'd give anybody a chance they LeBron if they named Whoopi Goldberg coach of the Lakers. I give her a chance to name. I heard by the way, I'm just gonna float a little rumor K Rondo so yeah, I've heard there might be some pushed to to talk about Cynthia Cooper as an assistant. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Those those ladies basketball. Lisa lesson would be great all those ladies. All right. So Mike Cooper. I haven't asked you about this yet. But the warriors were eight point underdog on Thursday night. They go into Houston, Hugh without Durant and Houston, you know, been talking a lot of trash that they are the team to take down the warriors. And they lose Houston loses to the warriors series over. How surprised were you that the warriors beat the rockets in Houston without Durant wasn't at all. It's all before the game and says you Steph got a combined for sixty to seventy points. If you guys go back to move in the ball getting everybody involved and not to stand in one place in ice owing so much you guys could anybody now sometimes get a fall in love that game. But Kevin Durant because he is Kevin freaking Durante, scorn anybody. But they when he does come back. They gotta find they gotta have a delicate mixed time to do it. Then time to get back to the ball movement to find that balance Ramona, you broke news today about Durant's possible availability for the. The Western Conference finals, what do you know? He's definitely playing game. One very unlikely place game. He's not even going to be seeing the doctor until Thursday. So that's the day of game too. And he's like, not even the courtroom anything. So I the the the sense I have is that I could is that he probably doesn't play in this series unless they really need him to unless they fall behind lose a couple of games. And my thing about the warriors without Kevin Durant is was against the rockets and still is you got four hall of famous on the floor. Stephan whole dream. I was going to be hall of Famer. And I think eventually he's going to get into the hall of dollar. You will. I think he will because of his body of work through college and the NBA. So with fall hall of famers on the floor. You still be able to win even without? I was watching that game that look like the two thousand fifteen warriors. Yes, it look like the warriors vol where they move the ball. They say each other up, like the Kobe detail dream on was awesome. Did you see that? I watched I saw it's awesome. And it breaks down. How like every single person every time. There's a play like set like gives up their own game to get the best possible shot for the person who has the best shot. And but I'll tell you one game in Houston was that bench the ward events like that the rest of the rest of the way, they could they go eight no over the next at that bench shows up and plays the way they Kev on looney looked like he was on young cuma logic. You know, he went to UCLA, and I I watch him playing college that might be the best game ever seen it came from this guy who I remember last year in the Western Conference finals talk his car. And he goes, you know, they were really worried that they had made a huge mistake by not offering him the by not picking up. His I wanted to third year off because when in training camp when the head to make that decision. He was coming off the hip injuries. They have a lot to go on. So you're not gonna guarantee him another year at that point when he hasn't even really played his first two years. So they didn't pick it up. And then he was a restricted free agent. And one of the twenty nine hundred teams could have picked up kevon looney, and stuck it to the warriors. Right. Because the the warriors need guys like that. That's how they fill out the roster after paying everybody else. Right. Nobody signed him. They got him for like one point five million dollars and he plays again huge role in. That's. So then there's this game last night. And I don't want to be the prisoner the moment. But I'm trying to remember has there ever been a game seven buzzer beater, like the one choline Leonard made last night as the first one listening to Ernie Ernie. Dave's Ernie Johnson after the and it is said that was the first one like that. And if you haven't if you haven't seen it it bounces four times before as in and Philly, defended it great. And so it was right there. So okay, Ramone. I have been close. I got a couple of questions about him because they traffic she knew he was gonna shoot he had to him and bent some. I thought he was close. But the one that I look at you jumped too soon, and then he landed and he had to jump a second time. But I mean, still he still seven feet tall with a crazy wingspan and quiet. There's no pressure on that shot tied. You only go shoot. It is not they were down one Tilak day figure. I got. I gotta shoot it. Anyway, I'll just shoot it. So that that is a devastating loss for the seventy Sixers now how have four key players, and they've got to decide to do what you know. Some people are saying trade, Ben Simmons. You can't shoot trait. Embiid because him be now. Now when Michael here's the thinking that if you trade him beat now, he's he's got a huge amount of injury history. He doesn't train he doesn't eat. Right. That you can get max value form right now. I would never trade in the home. Ramona, they have two free agents Tobias Harrison Jimmy Butler where Ramon into the Sixers go from here, man. I think they gotta run it back. You know, I the one guy I think they could lose would be they they could lose Jimi. Derek not JJ gotta keep guards. And that's why that's ir Smith weird injury that he had the so bad for them because they need some guards need some shooting. And like the way the way the war. We were just talking about this way the warriors built their team member they gave up a Belen Ellie. And there was another guys. Really they gave him up for. I mean. Nice run the clippers. Yeah. He's still kind of a backup. He's a good shooter. He's back of JJ. I think they have to hold onto unless they think they can pick somebody else. I mean guy like Seth curry that. We're talking, you know, like he's gonna get a nice little deal the summer both Curry's in the Western Conference guys like, okay, souls and both house. What's interesting with the rockets is I think there's there's a decent chance. The rockets do some pretty drastic thing to get the can't the the salaries all messed up. They can example Orden trade cappella not gonna get you anything huge. Right. Just get off. I I actually think Chris Paul has the worst contract and the only person John Rawls because you have you have to play Crispell John wall. You could at least don't you don't have to play him and Chris is slower and older. And I I don't know why Daryl I do know why. Because he got grandfathered in but Darryl normally does tricky smarter things in that. And only way Chris Paul agreed to that contract to the trade from the yet. Take care of them that they take care of a handshake. Now that's supposed to be legal in the NBA. Well, here's what I heard about that. And I've got an Michael knows who might connection is. There have got a good friend who who's close to this. He said that handshake deal and then with the previous owner act with less, I'll exander and winless Alexander sold the team to Tillman for Tita. He said to him. Listen, this is going to be up to you. But we have a handshake deal with Chris Paul that we told him we'd take care of them. If you don't or it's going to get around that that the rockets went back on their word. But it's now your problem, and for t- to didn't want it out there that they don't take care of people that they promised they would take care of any. So he ate the deal. But that deal if you look at you know, he in in three years you guys he's gonna make forty four million dollars off at thirty years. He can't get past anybody right now. He has he has moments. He used on can't do nothing. Stuck this? Ross James harden said in his post, I know what we have to do. What did he mean by that? That was Catholic. I worry about Dan, Tony when he says things I could even mean. Or trainable? That that weird pairing of hardened Paul were right? I agree with you. I love Mike. This is another another argument against his system. Kobe came out in the middle of the year. He was doing a sitdown interview at Tracy McGrady with Rachel, and and Kobe said you can't win a championship playing the way they play where one guy takes the ball and create because eventually the defense on the playoffs will catch up to it and Mike has never made the finals with his system as fun as it is to watch. So that's kind of an indictment on the seven seconds or less that every year. It gets tripped up. What do you bet Ramona sauce to say, what did he may? But a cryptic message. I noted we have to do to get to the next level. Really interesting one. I don't know what they could. They can't trade anybody unless cappella he's only tradable asset. They really have changeable. Jerrell would trade his mom. Yeah. Would any point? Yeah. So I don't know that was that was a interesting thing that I've heard is I'll phrase it. I'll what I was told us somebody said I hear things go awry for a lot of people there this summer. Well, okay. So the other know what does that mean? I mean, that's similar to what James says a very telling statement everybody says that I is out of there after that magical moment, would you consider staying we'll get into that next fasttrack and ten minutes ESPN LA. All right, Mason Ireland show. Michael Thompson information Ramona Shelburne with his fast track coming up in less than ten minutes. All right. Ramon Colli hits that unbelievable shot last night. Arguably Michael tonight, I personally to say it was a top five shot in NBA history time playoff series from the corner at the buzzer to game seven, you wouldn't know why they gotta win. Like, it's a great shot in the second round of the playoffs. But like if they lose to Milwaukee off the top of your head better shot, Derek Fisher laboratory didn't wait didn't series Rayo give you know, they didn't want to series. But the Lakers went on one. No, they didn't didn't air fish. Oh that was that was shot. They did though. Yeah. Okay. I'll give you ori- and I'll give. Al Gregson, Sean Elliott Elliott, but that again tonight not game seven and not at the buzzer. Okay. Like, if let's say the raptors lose in the next round and quiet leaves and free agency. Are we gonna talk about? And that's my next question. Like. Like, nobody is nobody is even considered that quite whatever stay in Toronto. After what happened yesterday magical moment? Put it on the table. I'll I've always thought there was a chance he stayed. She's not a good chance. I like. I think they almost have to win the finals. Right. It'd be really hard to leave their if you just won the finals. But I think Milwaukee beats him in this round. I kind of do to my go-to you let raptors bucks picked emotionally picked mostly because I just saw Kawai win that game. Then I said, well, maybe maybe the razzle in it. I've been trying to go against the grain with my picks is in this release at to be no, I still think the warriors on us against. Yeah. I plan to be at the haunted hotel in Milwaukee for games one and two. Unfortunately, don't wanna stay in the hotel we stayed in this year was kind of. Yeah. I had a view of the vent. Yummy to the Bill McDonald room. I'd rather go back to the Pfister. Before haven't you? Seen the hundred hotel say it's a Marriott usually. Oh boy. That is Milwaukee. Milwaukee has limited hotel. Michael do the blazers win any games in their series or. Yeah. I like the warriors the window, of course. And hoping five games. I hope five games, but the blazes tough to beat up there. They're going to have one great game. Where Damian Cegiella probably outplay clay staff. I'm sure at least one time of there. So I'd be shocked as much as I like the war is the seat him sweep the blazes. So I wanna go five tough games Ramona. How many games five warriors think? I I have so much faith in Lillard, Michael. And I have a man crush on Lillard. But it's I hate him this week yet. Sweep Greg tweet that Durant. You Mona says grants not playing in the first few games and maybe longer. I wouldn't be honesty. If unless they lose a game one of the first two games. I don't think we see him before game four or five and even then like why just just get healthy for the cousins talking about impossibly come into wants to play. I don't think he's any. We'll be back with the finals. I don't know. They maybe they learn so well. You're gonna need finals guard by really better guard Burke Lopez for his threes. Yeah. I mean, I don't know Markelle, sell, but it is to me. It is fascinating. What CJ McCollum didn't that game? Here's the thing. Like dantonio would tell you the worst shot, you can take is a contested to pointer and CJ made at least ten of you. He just basically drove to his spot at the left elbow or the right elbow and created off the people and scored thirty seven points, and they could not check him, Michael. I would've told you that the blazers we're going to win game seven in Denver when Lillard couldn't shoot when Willard finish like five of twenty. Would you thought? I was nuts. Not at all. Because Denver is the first time they've been there. Young team porn has been there before to me. They have savvy your veterans, even Paul Millsaps. I didn't I was shocked at all the Portland win that game. 'cause I thought dental. Kinda ramona. What Denver now does circle at bring it back. Always one of those teams that is kind of lurking like they were lurking on the CLYDE trade. They were lurking on an anti-daewoo trade. So I don't think they need to panic or do anything crazy. But I do think they're like there. There are some big names that move the summer they're in a spot where they have a lot of assets they have a lot of good young players. And if they have a chance to get a star, I wouldn't break them up. They basically on the same tracks the war zone on this. So young and the backwards young Yokich as young I'd I'd give this group five years. I wouldn't break them up at all. They might not. And and I love Michael on. I think they got a good coach too. I'm embarrassed about something Brian Johnson. Thank you Brian for getting this out. And you were actually in this game y'all forgot about Magic's baby skyhook, but that was game seven game six and no, no, no. I think it was earlier. I think it was one of the first four games. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I think it was. In that game. Four K Patty down one he hit the hook. And then they missed the shot at the end of the, but it wasn't a win the series. And the greatest thing that quite chat yesterday was those reactions, and I by the way, put me on you, you Michael you probably hate it. But I liked that and beat cried. I'm in shock and understand you. You all crying inside, even but he just showed it on the outside emotional. He really people don't realize what he put himself through just to get on the court this year. I mean, he was really getting up at five in the morning every day just getting treatment all day as Senate chance for motor that Brett Brown gets fired by the Sixers. I thought it was higher before the way that series went. They they didn't get out coach they lost at the buzzer. The last four or five possessions Ramona, they they have sock log violations. They they look ahead. No co two putting Mead in. Yeah. You got a Twitter ninety pound gifted flair, and he won't get an a post. Are you kidding me? Me give you an. Put going into you know, that that Jimmy Butler layup at tied it that was their only fast-break field goal of the game. It's ridiculous. A big shot by Butler, but didn't didn't last fasttrack coming up next.
Alex Turcotte & Arthur Kaliyev and a chat with Nick Nickson
"You're listening to an la kings podcast for more episodes of this. And every other kings program visit l. A. kings dot com slash podcast while the makings fans. Welcome back rain fans. I am jesse cohen. And this is your rain check. First up we've got a conversation with alex. Turcott and arthur kallio jackson blonde ski had a chance to talk to the young king's prospects about their time with team. Usa and now the ontario reign after that a segment from last week's tape to tape with nixon. Nick joined me and carlin talk about his impressions of the rain and their evolution over the season. If you're not already watching tape to tape is a weekly. La kings program starring myself in carbon. Bathe it airs. Live every thursday at four thirty on the king's youtube facebook and twitter pages and archived episodes can be found there as well. Now here's what's up. Kings fans. Welcome to the future series. I am your host checked. Want ski joining me. Are the top two draft picks of the twenty nineteen entry draft for the gangs. Arthur calvin alex turcott. How you guys doing good have a good how you doing. Great thanks for Thanks for joining me I wanted to start with Just you know think he has come on but most of all this is great to have you guys as first showcase of our next generation town in already. Yeah i wanted to start with you You know one of the cool things is that hockey bears can come from anywhere for you or news pakistan. You moved to new york at two years old than to michigan at thirteen. How did you get into hockey Just basically just going to take one day and just starting to play. There's no no reasons behind. Maybe as my dad's friends may be played a bit but not nothing really special just went out and just start flying. When did you start that you know in new york. Did it come. When you came to michigan in in europe when i was seven years old nice nice and alex for you feel like this is a little bit more of a predictable answer but you know with your dad alfie. Being a former first round draft pick is is he the reason you got in hockey. Yeah him and the rest of my family. My grandpa's well Yeah kinda got me into like around two years Skating on because he was a coach to my dad he coached like a appears in and scored. Some is kinda as i was growing up so Took miller ranking taught me. Skate will different than already. I probably was groomed more for hockey. But nevertheless i love it just as much as anyone so Having having that experience with my dad if you alex is there any pressure growing up. Obviously you know the legacy of your family and your dad being a first round draft pick you know. Was there the pressure that you had to play hockey or did you kind of have that open door of of going in any direction that you wanted. Yeah think maybe a little bit of both I think obviously everyone wanted me to play. Hockey is they all did and That sort of thing. But i think my dad also play sports on. I played soccer a lacrosse in my middle school. Based so Let me branch out a little bit and try different stuff. But i was always the one that wanted to go play hockey in the spring and summer kind of when he wanted me to take take a break and That's how i know. I really it. no-one really forced me to do anything i would say i think i just maybe the beginning i just put me and i loved it ever since and I've always harmed by hockey. And they can't afford to play other sport. So but i i always thought went back ocoee yet. The reason that we have you guys on together as you in both of your media availabilities and in previous interviews prior to being on the rain is you guys have both talking talks very highly of of one another you before we to the present day sort of you know. I wanna go back to the beginning of guys friendship. Alex wearing along the way. Did you become aware of arthur. And what were your first impressions of. Yeah so i knew about already. I think when. I was like maybe twelve or thirteen He played up for a little caesars. so i played my age age level so i always heard about him At a couple of buddies that skated with him like with the same skills coach told me a lot of them And looking back. It's pretty funny and then So at start planning against him my midget year we contemplate in the same age group again and we became a buddies at the nc dp Forty man camp. That's when i like got to normal we've been on. The i mean we draft together obviously world junior teams. So obviously i've had By time to get to nome an hour on the same team. It's pretty cool. Ardian oppose the same question to you. When did you first learn about alex. What did you think of a upon meeting in early on i was like twelve thirteen to Your oven Shocking maya one group in a saw alexander's just get a lot of points down. There always leading the team ever heard of a lot of things about him that he's just yeah best his team You just want to stop In his top age groups in we started playing against each other windows. Fifteen when i was on on mission so we played against the laws to and then we together the prospect game so walker things. You guys both mentioned playing together. I wanna take you guys back to january. Obviously you guys Lead in were the two leaders apart on the gold medal team for usa in the world. Juniors alex you know you had the game winning goal in the gold medal game already. You had the game winning goal in the semi finals. Bobby said a biggest system the in the gold medal game as well but there was so much talk about team. Canada and essentially what seven hundred fifty first round draft picks you already for you with the mindset of hearing about some of those whispers in not having been in the first round pick was. Did you take that personally. And kind of want to prove them wrong in here take this type of atmosphere and in mindset when you went up against them going on. Just don't get upset just display the way you're you're playing against themselves a gesture that Of my mind is displayed so same as the best ideal on listen airplane with force alex for you in the journey that you had in obviously scoring that game winning goal your what was your mindset going into that game and just being able to take down a team that was obviously loaded with first round draft picks New hall hyped up. They were They had so many great players Forget the first round thing. I think all those players are just really good individual players and we play against them before Previous tournaments in even growing up so we knew it was going to be a difficult game. i think honestly just had a lot of momentum's old term inches belly as a team. i mean all those guys. A lot of us played on the same entity team and we didn't really win much when it mattered. Most so we knew this was their last time together I think we just wanted to make the most out of it Just felt really confident me. We felt like this abso- last chance that kind of make something happen and Fortunately for us fee made it happen which it's definitely one of the best memories have quite hockey's of ego's talked both about how you kinda grew his team and for me. I have to imagine a lot of that. Would come on the ice but also off the ice and being that not only was that tournament in the midst of a pandemic. but you guys are also still dealing with Some of the protocols in being pandemic right now on and off the ice. You're not allowed to do as much as you know. A regular season so to speak would allow your however you guys able to to bond as both his teammates but as a team during the pandemic whether it be in the world junior tournament Or even just nowadays when you're on the road or are away from the rink alex. Let's start with you. I think world junior is obviously we had a we can before so That's i think it was a huge for us. China kind of getting close together as a team But i think for us to like a lot of us played with each other on at some point or another whether was The n. g. key air for ardian allow the other guys. They've by huddling together so And we've done national camps all the way growing up. So i think we were all kind of friends already which was pretty cool and then just I think we understood what was going on the world. The pandemic how special of an opportunity. This could this What's going to be in on. Kyle of sacrifices automates kind of you. They're kinda everyone just dropped their egos aside and try to get to know one another. We did a lot of zoom calls with each other women cut Just played for one another. Like i said we knew. Come like The situation we are in there wasn't anything like this. This probably would be the hardest term if ever went so we had to sacrifice everything i think with the rain to I think we have a lot of young guys on our team. Alm which makes it Nice that kind of have people to relate to route will be a lot of refugees going through the same pain. The the bachelor team has been awesome to just Being open with us on getting to know us kind of hang out with us and It's been a great environment for both. I think similarities between both both teams is like. That's what what's gonna help you win games and be successful you already you know let's move to brazen say on the road with You know where you guys are at in ontario. Yeah how do you pass time. You know being locked up a little bit so to speak with you know in your rooms and not being able to to be free in and around all the guys twenty four seven we just Mean we just us Talked to dozen seen Maybe over the phone or something maybe jump jump into Struthers rooms one another. You're averages you're just retry yet ready for the next next day next game discount for our own minds. A focus on other's games see guys go from experiencing the highest of highs in winning the gold medal and then you come to los angeles obviously of training camp alex. No you were a little banged up in. Weren't able to get on the ice right away when you came to los angeles but you guys have to quarantine for a little bit than you'd come out with the ontario reign. Don't get off to a hot start your. How did you guys really. You know take that. Were able to not only get through the dog days. Early on of of the rough. Start but now turnaround in win. Eight of ten games or with rain. Thank of's obviously difficult. Losing hours games And for me. Especially i was Injured again throughout some of that. Stretch so It was it was definitely not fun watching what team went through and dealing with injuries. So i think for me. I was just trying to get healthy and Take advantage of the training. We get here high getting my feet back on your ban on my thing. When i came back i just kinda felt like a say like a weight off my shoulders. I guess just kinda relieved that i can play hockey again and have some fun and And i think that's when our team started coming closer with one another and just finding a little bit more in kinda. Just say all right enough of this. I think a lot of guys had enough bid you just took command then kinda stop on sorry for ourselves on. I think that's why we'd be done so well recently. Obviously there's all he still got work on some things initial some things. We could do better to be more consistent. But i think from where we were a month ago. it's nine day. Hopefully we keep going the right direction. You know ardy you go from like i said the highest of highs and then obviously the team doesn't get off to a great start but for you personally your. How did you take the transition. Did you find it easier. Tougher than expected going from Playing against the top kids of your age to than moving into playing. You know it. A professional league in the age l. Hami i think Skill are a size bottle. They're in there. Playing the was but i think seems like way more physical in more way more for dragging trying to get behind a lot of those things. Not just playing Skilled team just trying to make the whole time. You try to a way less known. Ya i i like a game or relates off chartered for those things. I'll do video coaches in. It's been it's been getting better with better recently or our team. Our team in individual to you guys both experienced having to move to los angeles and Obviously adjust to a new lifestyle. When you sign your entry level contracts in alex for you. It's it's very well documented. That your favorite restaurant is to lay a the last time Yeah we checked in on this topic. You hadn't ventured out too much to to the local mexican food or restaurants around the neighborhood. Do we have a go-to local place now. Have we gotten into some of the local cuisines yet. Yeah i the still lay But i think i've grown out of that phase a lot more now I'm older and spend almost two years now but just crazy so Yeah i think I like the sushi Kaya That's right usually order from manhattan beach I've definitely heard nobu haven't been yet but that's Rockefeller place in manhattan beach as well. And then if. I want some italian food on. Bottling in hermosa is really good in also voice north italia Saw i usually do either or in. Yeah i mean we. We get treated really wealth Though he get a lot of food there too. So i try my best not to spend money when i don't have to fair enough already for you. Any go to places anything that you've found a around the neighborhood that you that you must have Not trying to say cheesecake. I liked that yet. Cheesecake like you. Bauxite backwards i like that. I like north True food is like to Just a lot of bunch of places by did not one place just to every time so i can switch things around. So what's the go to order it. Cheesecake factory I get the positive vinci. So it's it's impossible. I think some their special sauce on it which was also allies. You take is he is he. Make you get some food from there to Nod in there. When he's ordered it. i never had. I don't think i've had cheesecake factory. Since i was a little kid he He likes to order a lot. Us that a guy loss order especially on a proud so Me i just try to get something at the hotel or something by an will only go out of my way is going away so Hard time about it. So we'll Lastly i want to bring this back to the ice and as we like to get to know you guys hopefully being that next generation of kings core for those of you Listening in watching are too familiar with the play. Alex alixter got in arthur. Kelly of as both of you guys are quite humble is. We've gotten to know you guys. I'm not gonna make you talk about your own game. Switched up in had talked about the other player for those of you who haven't seen alexander play. Alex will start with you you. Who is arthur calia on the ice. Yeah obviously everyone has a big goal. Scorer egeli. Canon of shot Fortunately for me. I'm playing on a line with komo lot so it's been nice to kind is trying to find him and see him. He's scoring a goal so Follow so i think skating's gone a lot better. I would say something. He's probably had to work bit. More and is gone better every year Same with his playmaking. i think Last night mitigate pass to do on a breakway Just the overall offense buyer on and also Like a global thing. He's really on the four check just because the way the h. l. Is you have to be have to be pretty diligent on that. It's a different style than we're used to so I think are you just getting better at everything Each day coach tomlin to do and he's always trying to get better so yeah then already you know who is out. Stir got as a player in what should fans know about him. Yeah texas skill Hard worker. Mace unbelievable plays out there. Mount finds teammates always it was finding from anywhere else from in an ice. Yeah he wins. He wins mostly battles in the corner. Sways under unreal. The defensive zone in wins allow jaws. When by saturday he can also play. He's been playing wing lately. He's been been really really good. That too able adjust to that is been a I'm really competing out there. Really hard on making it easier for limi- supply so very Braids by online them lately. Will alex already thank you for joining me on the future series I know i speak for all kings fans. When i say we look forward to watching you guys post up on the ice whether it be a rangers zeo or kings uniform. Thanks guys Appreciate it joining us now. Voice of the l. A. kings nick. I've been fortunate enough to to get to you over the years. But but i mean i've been listening to your voice as long as i've been kingston. Thank you so much for joining us here. My pleasure great to be with. You seems like if i'm not doing a kings game lightly i'm doing a rain game or talking to you guys i can. That's right. well that's version. That's exactly why. I've got you here today. Called the last rain home game on tuesday night. I think it was bakersfield. You've called a handful of them and you will continue to call a few as the season goes on so anybody watching this. That doesn't already have age. Ltv go ahead and get it. I think they've got reduced price for the rest of the season but nick. What is your overall impression of the rain. Based on the game's you've seen so far. Well you know. I think i did my first game about four weeks ago now and they lost that game and i think their record after that loss was one eleven in two a so the team did not get out of the gate very well but The last three games. I've done Two weeks ago. I did back to back games on the weekend. And even those games Two weeks ago. I saw a marked difference in just the the the speed. The confidence that a lot of the young players were exuding out there. It was almost like night and day like a switch. It turned on after getting experience because it is very young. Ahl team it almost seemed like after they play twelve fifteen games. Okay now. I get what i have to do. Can go out and do it. And they're doing it. And i was just looking because i was trying to do some preparation for my next rain game. Which is next week with san diego. you know. they're eight four and one now. Their last thirteen games and a lot of their top scorers are their youngest players. So it's all coming together and of course if you're a kings fan and you're watching all these former first and second round picks down there that's what you like to see. Would you like to hear so. Yeah they're they're definitely trending in the right direction. It's been a lot of fun to do. The last couple of games. Any thoughts on quinton beay failed in his game in particular. Yeah he had a beautiful goal. The other night stole the puck moved on the goaltender and deacon in footage in it reminded me at at andre copa tires first or second training camp on the same ice sheet because that's where the kings have had their training camps and practices over the years. He had a similar move and all of us with immediate media back. Then we were down by the glass in the corner right by the net. We all want. Wow this this might be something special. And i turned it there. Eleven was doing the game with me the other night and i said the same thing i said. Daryl i remember andrei getting it bowl right in this building at that end or by field just story just totally blew out the goalie with d.c and we all know the rest is history was andre so he definitely has a great skill set. I don't think skating is going to be an issue at all and a lot of people feel that for bigger players. It's tough to get from point a. b. but as we found out with andrzej scanning has never been an issue with him so a very impressed with clinton by field. I've only seen him for times. Are there other players to that. Are jumping off the page at you and impressing you While you're seeing these games up-close yeah well by field is a former first round. Pick and i think i think the rain have four former first rounders. Thrid the kings of taken. The last. what three drafts and leah's anderson. Who came over from the new york rangers. I've liked anderson's game I'm not quite sure if he's played all four that i've done because he's been up and down with the kings this year but he he is showing me. Kind of a gritty edgy style. That i didn't know he had. And i think that will bode well for him. Going forward just you can check off. Check the list to becoming. Nhl player down the road Mikey amount of he play too strong games back to back with bakersfield a week and a half ago and i think you had a couple of points but i said you know. He's almost like they're blake. Lozad blake with the kings is just a bundle of energy tenacious and he's always moving darting in and out of openings trying to make plays so yeah he kind of Piqued my interest. Because of the way he was playing the style and and he was ineffective players and i was very surprised when i looked at the stats sheet but and i think he's still as the leader in shots on goal on the team and i don't think he gets a lot of power. Play time so so good for. Good for mikey. Ac mont restless. Campari again he came up. It was with the kings for a bit earlier Right off a faceoff to start the third period a couple of weeks ago he got really hit hard and i was looking to see if the referee was going to call a penalty for a late hit or high hit. He didn't let it go boy. Caparo gave it back the rest of that third period so he's a tough competitor so that has stood to me with another first round. Pick the kings have down there. That's great nick real quick Any thoughts on click. Excuse me in calc leg in austin strand and their transition having to go back and forth between the the the rain and the kings. Yeah i i heard you talking earlier about Cal getting a lot of ice time against arizona on on wednesday. Of course jon kind of shortened the bench there and you went with four d for the most part but clegg mikey anderson. They don't play that much unless they're effective good skater. Good skills heckuva play and the giving go. They'd green cambay to start the comeback. And i've seen that in his game when he was down in ontario. So i i don't think is. Skating is offensive skills the way the game is an issue. I think it's just improving his defensive game so you have good good for calc lag their nick. Can you take us back to when you first started calling. Ahl games the new haven nighthawks. You know way back in the day what. I was talking with jesse about this. I don't know if you remember calling any games against the maine mariners. But i know my dad literally played in the chunk of time that you were calling. All of those games with the nighthawks was just curious if you have any memories or au even team in general because they were hard to play against two when those her word the as you know carlina the flyers were their their parent team. It was still the big bad broad street bullies in philadelphia. And that mindset kerry down to the maine mariners. When i was in my third or fourth year in the i started in rochester. My hometown with the americans was there for two years. I moved to new haven. And when i was in new haven the maine mariners got a new franchise in the gel and they were owned and operated by by the philadelphia flyers. And i remember your dad. He was there terry. Murray a former kings coach he was there ryan burke gethsemane mariner for a while Some other players of. It's interesting. Because when i was doing the haven games mike emerick was doing the main mariner game or mike got to the nhl and over the years. Mike and i of course the realized our dream and got to call. Nhl games whenever the two of us would get together. We'd throw out these. These names of old man mariners in new haven hawk and we just chuckled with each other because it brings back a lot of memories. I mean. that's that's where we all developed our game our style and No nothing but fond memories. And i've enjoyed going back in time and grilling the ontario reign. It's been a lot of fun because it's been over forty five years since i did my very first game. No bus rides though now. Not plane rides either. That's right not this year. Nick as you mentioned that this is forty years now with the kings but the kings are not the only l. a championship team. That you've worked with worked with the dodgers and eighty eight. Did you not. Yeah and yeah. I did the public address. I took over for the legendary voice of john ramsey or longtime southern california residents and dodger fangio. Big booming. Boys number. A laurie wheels. So i take over for him and i. I'm sounding like a falsetto right up against john ramsey So yeah i started. I think it was eighty three my first your second summer on l. a. And i was there for about eight or nine years. And i was there when they won the one thousand nine hundred eighty eight world series and and up until last year i kept telling people with the dodgers that i've kept in contact with over the years. One another world series. Just bring me back. That's the only way it's going to work the rain record around to. There's something about like what's going on. Don't say that too loudly. Because luke might say nick. Can you do both games Both teams Love that but you started out In upstate new york but now a southern california institution than your own right. Well some would say. I should be an institution in my own right but Thank you very much for the for. The nice comment jesse. I enjoyed it. You know. I said this before when i got the job of the navy nighthawks parent team worthy la kings. And that's how i got the connection. When i first got the job. When i flew out in november of nineteen eighty-one i had never been west of ohio. In my life. I grew up in upstate. New york and what a culture shock it was for me. Our oldest boy had been born. He was two months old. We came out here and we said well. Let's see what it's like in the. Let's go to the national parks in the summer. When we've got free time if it doesn't work out we can always go back home right. That's always an option. It seems but it's worked out great The kids your southern california dudes. We've we've enjoyed every minute of every minute of it. And and i want to thank the fans for welcoming me into kings hockey and the kings world when i first came out here just over forty years ago so i owe them a great debt of gratitude. You should've should've sargon should have dug it out for this. I was thinking about in slipped my mind but nick my favorite piece of kings memorabilia. That i own is a puck. Signed by you. Bob jim and darryl there each of you on the side and that's it's easily over. We want to thank you so much for joining nick and for the years and quickly quickly. Jesse don't don't don't get rid of that puck because that's the only pluck i've ever signed all there. You go perfect that we're gonna take another break when we come back we're going to take one last. Look at the schedule. And what the kings have to do to cling to their playoff hopes. Thanks again nick we'll We'll talk soon thank you.
Part 2: Product First? Or Audience First? - Ep #71
"Product. I, our audience I par to on today's episode of subscribe meter fam- I talk about strategy number two, which is building an audience first and then creating a product for that. Hello and welcome to episode number seventy. One of subscribe me dot FM way. I talk about online marketing, creating membership sites, online courses, how to create Sal and deliver digital content. I talk about what press creating audio video and PDF's, and reports, and podcasting, and so many other tools techniques and tips that you can use to create a long-term profitable online business. I'm drave juggle and co, founder and core developer of digital access, pass dot com. Fondly known as Depp arguably the best membership Plugin for what press. I'm also the host of another podcast at cut to the chase dot FM a podcast that talks about business back and life hacks to help you step up your online business. Check it out at cut to the chase dot FM, or search for the word cut to the chase as one word in your favorite podcast app. So on the last episode which sparked one of this two part series. I talked about creating a product first and then finding an audience for it. So if you haven't listened to that one yet, I highly recommend that you start with that one, I which is absurd number seventy because the whole thing will flow a lot better. If you listen to part one, I. Need. So let's talk about strategy number two. So building in audience first, and then creating a product, our products for that audience, which actually is ways your said than done. And I'm also going to let you in on a crazy little secret. The strategy one, which was product first Ardian next and strategy. Number two, which is audience. I product next are actually not mutually exclusive at all. You don't have to necessarily choose one or the other, and you can actually do both. In fact, you must do both, but only in a certain order and I'll talk about that in a second. Now to give you a better context, I have to say this real quick. So the cool thing would strategy one is that once you have accomplished that then strategy number two, which is building an audience, I becomes kind of moot, right? Because now you already have an existing audience who have already bought your first product. So creating additional products for an existing audience is going to be a lot easier than finding or Bill. Adding and new audience, which is why marketing online marketing one one is it is easier to sell to your existing customers. Dan, go find new customers all the time. So that's the basis of this podcast, which is all about creating recurring income and subscription based products. So he does easier to charge a recurring fee to your existing customers than sell one time products and each time having to go and find new customers to keep your business afloat, I call it dark blue versus dosa. So check it out by going to the earlier episodes of this podcast at subscribe meet on FM. So creating additional products for an existing audience, I actually have a phrase for this. I call this go deep then white. So when you find a niche where you have already created a product and you're starting to build up an audience in that niche, it is a lot easier to go deep into that category than to go wide and then start coming up. With new niches or new audiences that are unrelated to that product. Almost every single successful entrepreneur. Our company almost always tends to go deep before they go white. There are very, very few companies like, you know, the ones with billions of dollars off of other people's money in their Bank account. People have done IPO's and stuff can afford to get into completely new territory through stuff on the wall. Let's see what sticks. And if it fails, no big deal is not our money anyway. Right? Like Yulon musk, who's tesla is into electric cars, solar panels hyperloop, which is like an underground train or on steroids and SpaceX, which bills rockets and spacecraft and wants to send people to Mars. So. Okay, maybe electric cars and solar panels might be very slightly related, but come on at two cars and hyperloop SpaceX completely unrelated. You and I can never pull off something like that, but he LAN must can. I mean, at least. Is trying. We'll see how it works out and then there's Google, which is kind of a hybrid. They started with search right for their search engine. Google dot com was very first product they built. Then they started thinking about monetization than they built ad words which was created so they can give advertisers to advertise in the right side column of Google searches. And then they extended that to add sense which allowed people like me and you regular website owners to put ads on our blogs and websites and on a tiny tiny piece of the ad revenue. I actually did this way back in early two thousand or so when adsence I came out and at the time I had a website called baby names, India dot com. It's still exists, but it's, you know, it's nasty and ugly don't if you just want to check it out. That's fine. Baby named Scindia dot com. All HTML website all hand coded completely and I- monetize it in a few different ways. One by selling a physical book on Indian baby names. Then I created my own e book. Doc on Indian baby names. And I also had add sense ads and there was the company called Chitiga and a whole bunch of other stuff. I tried at that point and at one point I was making over fifteen hundred dollars a month like clockwork with ads from adsence, and then there'd be another, you know, five hundred thousand dollars from book sales and e-book sales, and our actually made a pleased ten times more like a police, ten thousand dollars a month if the traffic to my website where mostly from the US. But unfortunately it wasn't. Most of my traffic was from India and southeast Asian countries and only like five percent of it from force from the US and because the traffic wasn't from the US there weren't too many advertisers back then showing ads. You know, they're not keen on paying for ads to people in India because India, India's e-commerce market was very small number of people using credit card. And everything else was small. So there wasn't much ROI and and obviously most of the traffic around the world is much harder to monetize compared to traffic from the US and maybe even Canada and the UK. So that's why only made fifteen hundred dollars from absent instead of say, fifteen thousand dollars. And if I had made fifty thousand dollars, my whole life would change because adequate my job in two thousand one rather than wait till two thousand ten. Oh, wait, never mind. I know I didn't have a green card, so I couldn't have done that anyway, but I will, you know, taken a much different job than having to work at a high-pressure IT fortune and nor fortune twenty company and work like crazy hours every day and traveled to New York City on the subway and metro and all the stuff. Anyway, that sucked doesn't matter. But Google created most of the products around ads basically ads on Google dot com. Search at. Ads in g mail ads on other websites of their own ads on Google maps and YouTube and on and on and on. So they did go really, really deep into the ad revenue space before going into other niches like self driving cars and high-powered robots, which by the way, they eventually sold off to a different company because manufacturing robots were not suitable for Google strengths in the digital world, which is why Google manufacturers. So few physical products, right? Almost eighty. Seven percent of Google's revenue comes from advertising and only about thirteen percent comes from the rest of the other products. And even in that thirteen percent, a huge chunk is from their cloud services and like Google cloud hosting and Google play store where people buy movies and music and stuff like that. So even as seven hundred and fifty billion dollar company like Google goes deep more than it goes white. And that's why when you're building a product, it makes no sense to go and start from scratch in a completely brand new niche at tried to establish credibility and authority and trust of an entirely new audience that you'd have to build from scratch. You would be better served to say, create more products for existing audience. Again, coming back to not just a recurring income model, but you know, just good common sense business model off. If somebody buy something, then keep creating more products around that because obviously they will have needs around your origin of product that you're selling. And so you just keep building on top of your existing product and you keep stacking the value. So yes, strategy number two becomes way way easier if you start with strategy number one. But what if you're being told to stop. Doc with strategy number two, right after all it is one of the most over hyped, mostly untrue and extremely overwhelming strategy that you'll hear from a lot of marketing rules. And sometimes a lot of people who have never really done much themselves. You'll hear them telling just pick a hungry market, create products for them, and boom, you'll now have a flourishing business. Is it really that simple? Not so fast. My friend. So backup the truck just a little bit here. Let me pick up the Infinity time. Stone on rewind things just a little bit. And as you wash my head shake like doctor strange, if you don't get the reference Dory bar, it just go watch of injures Infinity war. So when it comes to building an audience, I, you still can't just wake up one day and say, all right, I'm going to build an audience today. So you can't just manifest an audience out of thin air. You have to think through a whole bunch of things before you even stick the first step off building. On audience. So let's say you started with the niche. I okay. So let's say try to pick a trend and if you go to trench dot, Google dot com, you can explore what the world is searching, says coup. So right now for go there. Google is showing that people are searching for Taylor swift Kim Kardashian fee for World Cup football, Gunson America, and Britain's Royal wedding. Now, I don't know if most of us can actually create products or services based off of Taylor swift Kim Kardashian, our Royal wedding, right. Okay. So you might think Ravi. I can write juicy gossip columns about these topics. I'm really good at this stuff. I watched EMC all day, so sure you my write a block, boast our ten or fifty. And then what how are you going to be found right? You would have to ranked pretty high in search you a bunch of SEO defendant on long tail search when you're trying to rank for specific you or combinations. And not just for the search rile wedding, right? You'll have to pretty much dedicate a lot of time into following celebrities and writing columns and trying to do some sensational stuff. Click baiting and whole. It's a whole nother world. And then let's say you somehow got ten thousand visitors, right? What next? How are you going to monetize it? Are you gonna use? Add sense? Are we going to go around calling people and you know, handpicking sponsors. So it's not like you can create an online course about how to have at Royal reading yourself, right? You can't create a course like that, and you cannot create t shirts and caps and pants with the picture off the Raleigh couple without getting sued to oblivion. Okay. So here's another idea about going with the trend now you're probably seen specialty stores come up during certain times of the year, right? So here in the US on Halloween, if you go to the mall, sometimes you'll see an entirely new massive store where those previously. A different store there. Now you have a store dedicated to Halloween costumes, thousands and thousands of products, massive collection costumes in all kinds of sizes, from babies to teens to adults and scary stuff, and skeletons and all that stuff. So it's a known fact that Halloween is a huge industry right now. I looked it up online according to the national retail federation's website at NRF dot com. People spent over nine billion dollars during Halloween, nine billion with a b. yes, that is ridiculous amount to spend on something that literally lasts for three hours. So there it is a huge and hungry. Nine billion dollar market. People are looking to buy stuff in the stores and online and in their local local grocery stores and department stores, hungry buyers will pay a lot of money to deck out their front yards with spooky and scary creatures, right lighting and people turning their front porch into like. Horror jungle or something, and by tons and tons of candy for kids to ruin their teeth and their gums and eventually run up their parents, dentist, bills, everything is they're perfect for you. You think you can dive in and compete in that market and get a slice of that, not as easy as you think, because there's no way the average person like you and I without any prior experience in selling physical products. Remember you're not selling a digital online course. So you're talking about selling physical products, no experience in sourcing products. Where do you get the products from? How do you deal with the vendors? You know you have to run a physical store and you have to have experience in the setup that goes into launching a physical store, and then you have to source all these products. And so you have zero experience in the industry because you haven't really done anything even remotely related to the niche. There's no way you are. I can launch a store in the middle of the mall, and you know, ordering thousands of skews as in s. k. you right? The product. Numbers different types of products. So try sourcing just one physical product on Amazon dot com. Right? Like something like a scary mask off a trending person or celebrity it super tough competition even on Amazon dot com and super heart break into, especially if you're a first-time seller on Amazon with no prior selling experience, you don't know that you need to build reviews, right? You don't know how to approach people, product reviewers, top five hundred years. Let's say you don't know anything about the niche, any of the final of fine, hacks and techniques to get more reviews and how you stuff on how to run giveaways and all that stuff you, there's a whole industry behind that, right? It's not just list a product on Amazon and you'll sell Amazon, Rhode lot of traffic you. It's not that simple. Even on Amazon, anything you can think of there? Probably about thirty different sellers and probably even more try setting the same thing because you're not going to be the only person to get an idea. So a lot of people are. To be doing this. And if they already had experience with selling other stuff, then they have a huge leg up on the marketing of the product. So now if you think that you actually can somehow rent a store being thousands of dollars in rent and manage the kind of inventory control and product sourcing and figuring out the billing system and figuring our billing and returns and refunds and damaged products and theft and pilferage because they'll be like hundreds of kids in the store. And you would just burn through your fonts and lose your retirement account or gear kid's college fund if you went after this business, just because there's a hungry market. So just because Halloween is a huge industry doesn't mean you are. I are qualified to build a big business out of it. Now, on the other hand, let's say you already had a small local store. Let's say you already knew about invention control and billing and managing a physical store. So you already have the tools and the knowledge and experience and the contacts, and the vendors and experience in dealing with vendors in on the holiday figured out net ninety Nettie even the even just to speak the jargon of the niece, you have to have some experience, right? And then there's all this refunds and restocking and damage and everything else that goes into a store. Now, if you were already have all this experience, if you wanted to expand beyond your little local shop and now you're like, oh, okay. So there's a store coming up for rent in this mall. And Halloween is coming up. I'm gonna. I'm going to outbid other competent because those guys, they just have the money. They just want to do something that makes money, but I know how to run the stuff and I can do a way better job on reducing costs and reducing expenses and increasing the prophet. So you're going to do a lot better compared to other people who have no experience in the industry. And in fact, you don't even have to have owned the local store. You could have just worked in such in multiple stores for a few years, and you could have easily gain the knowledge and experience through all that as well. So it's like, you know, if you want to start a restaurant just because you like food don't start a restaurant and you know, got to start a restaurant just because you know people are, there's it's a multi, multi, multi billion dollar business for industry doesn't mean you. You can start a restaurant, but if you have worked in a restaurant for a long time, you have years of experience from, you know, being a server to being managing the back into the being chef for are managing the inventory, the food and waste dates. And everything else. Now you have a much better chance of doing something with it. Let's take one more example. So for the last year or so cryptocurrencies was a massively trending topic, right? You could not go online on social media without hearing somebody post about something related to crypto, like bitcoin or Tyrian or blockchain, but just because it was hot and heavy, does it mean you can latch onto it and start pumping our online courses and books and podcasts, and going on a creating YouTube videos and going on other podcasts and talk about cryptocurrencies? Of course you and I could try. Nothing prevents us from trying. There are no rules against it, but we are probably going to fail because I personally, I have zero interest in the topic. And let's say I even had some interest doesn't mean I would necessarily know what I'm talking about because I not does difference between I'm interested in. This is an expert in this, right? So I would either have to team up with another crypto expert. Our our have to. Spend a bunch of time and learn the subject myself on just because I spent three months doesn't automatically make an expert so that that's a whole nother topic of how much do you really need to know. And I don't believe in fake Italy make it. That's a very misleading thing. You know, it might work in some some things, right? Very, very smaller things. But when it comes to the, the bigger things making a bigger impact be being known as reliable expert and having some credibility, you can't just fake it till you make it. So it is not practical for me to become an expert in that subject as it would take way too long, and it's not in my zone of genius. So that means I have to depend on the start party someone else to create the content right concentration is the biggest thing it in today's world because you had to create paid content yet, great, free content, your crib, create YouTube videos, and podcasts, and social media content for Facebook and Instagram. So basically the someone else, the. The person I'm hiring becomes the face of the business. If you're okay with that, that's not bad at all, right. It's not great, but it's not bad and don't forget this cryptocurrency expert that I I will be partnering with because I have no Dan clue about what the industry Indonesia's if they're going to be creating all the content and be the face of the business daily actually say, okay, if I'm doing all the stuff, what are you bringing to the table? So now he already a really big name in the related industry. And I have an established audience and Email list and social media presents and all this stuff. Now I can easily convince this person that, okay, I'll do all the heavy lifting on the back end, the marketing, the technology, the creating the website, the funnels and setting up the payments stuff and Email marketing and all that stuff and human for Email marketing. I'll have to go back to the person to give me some copy. And then I can probably because if because I'm a marketer, I can tweak it to make its own better. Okay. So let's say they do. They do agree to this deal. Six months down the line. Let's say there are no longer that all that interested in the niche, right? Maybe they had come up with other projects. Maybe something else picks up and maybe some other person wants to partner with them on something else. Now you're left out in the cold and because a fad died, the bitcoin fat. It's no, even in two thousand eighteen. It's not as big as it was like a year ago, the trend kinds of fades away. Now, what now it's just like any other partnership. What do you do? If one of the partners stops performing? What? What if they lose interest are they don't show up and they don't deliver on their promises and they hang you out to dry right? Because I'm not the front and guy. I'm not the face of the business and I really can't do much else other than let the business fade are. Now go searching for a new face to put on the front of the business because I don't know what the niche is all about because I'm not an expert in the niche, but I'm only an expert in the back and stuff. So the bottom. Line is you can't really pick a niche in a vacuum just because it is a trending topic in a hawk niche, but we are now covering strategy number two, which is building an audience. I and Dan creating products for it. So the problem still remains. What kind of an audience are you going to build? So let's say you start with their likes and dislikes. What are their wants and needs in demographics and psycho graphics? Are they male or female? What is their age group and what cities and countries do they live in a what language do they speak? What are their preferences? Right are are they shopping online are? Are they on social media on rich social media? Are they on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, or Snapchat, where the hang out? Can they be reached online easily, or do you have to go to physical, meet ups or sponsor live events and do have to advertise on the radio today? Listen to podcasts and on and on and on. If you ever run Facebook ads, you know exactly what I mean when you want to run an ad on Facebook after you figure out what the creative. For that ad creative as in headline image, video call to action, blah, blah, blah. The most important part of a Facebook ad. I would think this is even more important than the actual ad itself is who should be seeing that ad. So the audience election on Facebook is probably the most important piece of the puzzle because it doesn't matter how awesome. Your promo video is, are your image or your call to action. If you show that add to the wrong audience for the wrong person to whom you're product or service is irrelevant. Your ad is going to be a major flop because you'll still be paying for that ad. You just won't be seeing any results. And that's why you'll see a lot of first-time or new Facebook advertisers saying Facebook, Gaston work, and they'll usually blame the strategy itself. Off advertising on Facebook. But the reality is that adds probably don't work because of a number of different things they didn't get right. And the most important one being selecting the right audience for the ad basically to build an audience. You have to create a detailed avatar of that audience. I and you also have to know what kind of audience you're building because an Email list is different from building a Facebook group, which is different from building Instagram followers, which is different from listeners for your podcast, two different platforms, even all all platforms are not the same. And then building an audience of millennials is different from building an audience of Jenn generation x. people which is different from an audience of baby boomers, right? You get the idea which is why there are some huge caveats to this audience for strategy. And like I just talked about one of them is knowing what kind of an audience to build. So before you even think about building an audio. Since you still need to select your niche, I and you can't create an audience without knowing what niche or industry you're building this industry for this audience far. And if you build an audience of women, ace between twenty and forty who are interested in health and fitness, for example, you will not do well selling them men's shaving and grooming products, right? And if you simply say, let me build on audience of men between twenty and fifty who have a need to shave frequently and who can use quality razors at the cheap product. That's a great start, but now think about it. How exactly are you going to build an audience of men between twenty and fifty who have a need to shave frequently and who can use quality razors at a really good price? How are you going to build an audience without creating anything for the audience? I so let me give you an example. So two guys, let's call them Mark. And Michael, they meet at a party and over drinks. They start talking about how razor blades are so. Darn expensive, right? And there's obviously a large number of men who need to shave often, but it's it's crazy that there are no quality products that's enough affordable price. So they start booking rounded idea. One thing leads on other, and they start a company of their own with their own money and some additional investors. And the created great product which is basically cheap razors at a great price. And then they figure out that there's no way that they can sell these razors one box at a time, right? You're not going to be able to start these things that addressees stores and medical stores and local marks and stuff, gas stations. There's no way you can compete with the marketing power and the shelf power off the popular shaving companies like Gillette. So they wonder what if you sold them directly online and sold them as a subscription now, no one had ever done this before, would it work? They wouldn't have to wait too long to find out. So they create a brilliant marketing campaign with funny. Homemade style videos is doesn't doesn't reek off like expensive marketing. Right. Sounds like two guys in a garage and company grows really fast because obviously they hit up on nerve and there are obviously, there is a need for the stuff and then fast forward to a few years later, they are acquired by a large company for one billion dollars. Yes, billion with a b. and that my dear listener is the true story behind dollarshaveclub dot com. The founders where Mark Levin and Michael Dubin. And if you've seen the funny commercials, that's Michael Dubin in the commercials where he's like, hey, your grandpa, you know he had some disease that doesn't mean you should buy razors or some something super funny and weird like that. So Unilever was the company that bought them for one billion in cash. So let's revisit some of the highlights of the story. So. Started with two guys talking about their own frustrations, ding, ding, scratching your own each. So they knew that there was a big market, right? Obviously, ding, ding, bake and proven market men who elect to shave who want to shave who have to shave. So next they didn't really build the audience. I, they built the product first cheap, but quality shaving razors. That's all. They started with ding, ding, product first. And then once they started selling those really well, now they had an audience now they had a built in list of buyers that were paying them every month. Dang, dang, recurring income. So everything they did was strategy one product I and now they already had an audience and then you who they were. They had their billing information. They had the contact information was such a simple strategy to create more products for this existing audience, which is basically started you number to create products for an existing audience. So today they don't just sell razors. They sell shaving creams, post shave products, shower. Gels and soap looked at all this up on their website, soap on cleansers, oral care, like toothbrushes and toothpaste, hair gel, hair care products, skin care, child products, even but wipes his. You heard that right, soft moist, but wipes to clean yourself after you do doodoo. So none of these would have happened if they're just sat around thinking, okay, we're just going to build an audience of men between twenty and fifty figured out what they want. Run surveys, ask them what they want and what their concerns are, what their main needs are and once are, and Dan will built products for this audience. Unfortunately, for ninety, nine percent of people trying to build an audience, I will not work at all. So if somebody somebody is able to do that, then it means that they have already had a lot of experience in creating a business than probably created one or more businesses in the. Past, they've already done paid dues, they made their mistakes that learn from them. They know how to hire content creators. They know how to hire influencers and how to market a product, but it's online or offline. They, they already have a team that can launch a new product in any niche. There are few companies that are doing that because you know for any once you've figured out the niche in the product than the rest of the process is pretty pretty much the same. It's our and say, it's like cookie-cutter, but basic idea is the same, the tools and the tactics and the techniques strategies. Everything is pretty much the same you. The marketer can go into any market partner with the content creator or expert in that specific niche, who can create the content for you and give you the knowhow and somebody to be the face of the franchise sort of speak. And you can have the full support at your team to figure out the rest of the stuff because you are the marketer and you can finish take care of the back end. Now, obviously I'm over simplifying things, but that's kind of the team concept and skills that you already need. If. Want to go into a brand new market brand new knees where you have no expertise or ability to create content or build something that works. So a debt of the day, you have to be able to create a lot of content and you need to be able to talk about your topics from a position of Atari and credibility and influence and all the stuff if you want to build a following. So what's the bottom line here too? Not start with the audience. I, regardless of what you hear from the gurus start with the product first. And then once you have a small following or list are buyers, and you have done some kind of a vetting of the business model and you start small and then you can scale it. So once you have a product, once you have a small list of buyers, you can then not only improve your existing product and you can keep adding features and benefits and layer upon layer of that, like we have done at digital access, pass dot com. But you can also start expanding into selling other related things that they need because why you need to do strategy number one, just. Product first audience next, then you follow that up with strategy number two right away because now you have an audience so you can do can create more products so they are not mutually exclusive. So for most of us, I think you and I will be well served if we started with the product. I before I let you go. If you currently have an online business and you wish to grow your business to the next level, whether you're making a thousand dollars a month or ten thousand or even a million dollars and you want to get to the next level in your business, I can help. 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Mark Gelfand, Howard Levin Discuss Coridea, Ardian and How Theyre Innovating Medtech Innovation
"Eight. Hello everyone. This is time salami looking back to the med tech talk podcast episode one three four I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy this one actually the next to the next to podcast episodes will come from a conversation. I had with Mark Galvin and Howard Levin. The principles of Carinthia the original founders of Arden, I've actually never had the chance to interview them before. And I was really excited about this conversation. They did not disappoint. We had a far ranging conversation for for about an hour or so little more talked about their origins, the state of med tech innovation. The trouble was VC's. And of course, Ardian so this a lot of territory to cover. So I wanted to split it up into two Pont chests. This week's episode will focus on how they came to form Carinthia in how they're approaching company creation funding a bit differently next week. We'll talk ardent and some interesting what if about that? And also, we'll talk about how they are working to bring surgeons along with innovative ideas before I let you go into this week's episode. I wanted to remind you that the med tech conference is happening on may twenty ninth and may thirtieth in Minneapolis. And I wanted to tell you that health the producer of this podcast. And the metro conference is also holding the respiratory innovation summit on may seventeenth in Dallas. We talked about that a couple of weeks ago at Dennis war pleased to tell you that additional Dennis war. Mark elfin will also be there to share his views on innovation Jehovah bit about that. In this podcast. He has high hopes for the interventional pulmonologist space. So I hope you'll join us there in Dallas, you can go to med tech conference dot com to register for the med tech conference or go to attend R. I S dot com to sign up for the respiratory innovation summit in both cases. You're welcome to use your med tech talk code you'll save hundreds of dollars. If you do that. So please don't forget to do that in one final. Final thing. Our early bird discount rate expires tomorrow. So you need to register by April thirtieth. You wanna save it in additional two hundred dollars. That's two hundred dollars on top of the two hundred. You'll save. Using the midtech taught coat now, let us begin this conversation with a question to Mark elfin. To let people know what you sound like an addition to who you are. I'd like to just kind of get into the the origin of how you you both met and how you came to form Korea. Mark could you lead us off with just a short little bit of background on you and lead us up to the point where you start working with Howard. The I think. Engineer, but training and the started dictation than what used to be called Soviet Union up PERC as a chemical engineer with a strong and thirst in digital systems. So further elephants and the pricing Lee found myself at Johns Hopkins University. In them mid eighties. So where I was card to help was that. Several computer controlled devices were being originated crow Johns Hopkins research borough in Asia, girl and Howard was a fellow there and liked working together. The thought always wonder the do salting together never had a chance I think until much later when I spend out of Johns Hopkins with the first technology-transfer project that the university though, medical school data within the Kirk patient failed. It's one of my inventions. So the year was nineteen Ninety-three when this happened Mark served as founder and CTO of cardio logic systems. Mark says the company didn't do well financially. But it's vest. CPR device was in early predecessor to the auto pulse. That's sold by Zoll medical today. So that's something. But the disappointing outcome force Mark to realize that he needed some real world meant experience. So. He went big he joined melon crop puritan Bennett as a senior systems engineer, according to Lincoln. He was there for about one year in one month, and he was already ready to make a change and Howard Goldman said they have some funding for a new project. Her vascular space will do common through it with me, New York. I was just getting very tired of. Beaker formation that was being acquired by typo. So you can imagine how much fun that was. He was. Good time to leave. Exactly exactly what I did show that ship and Howard did. Nice started our first company together, what's called seed chef solutions. Bam later on though when the company got acquired by Gambro pretty away wouldn't tweet turn the since because more than one idea in some people just get one idea, they work on a told their life, and it's cool thing in both of us bio temperament just like doing multiple things at the same time. And we started growing technology incubator. Bittel funding is primarily with venture capital and one company at the time and later on the motor ship since started bringing some in age money in we've been working like this twenty plus years since we still in business, enter Howard Levin, Howard's a heart failure transplant in cardiologists. You says he and Mark shared a desk. More of a lab bench really at Johns Hopkins and worked well together. But a ninety two just before Mark left to start his own venture Howard would shift from Hopkins to Columbia Presbyterian, where he was a heart failure transplant cardiologists in medical director of the mechanical cardiac program prior to that move Howard had his own early failure. Starting a company you founded cardio technologies, which was developing of a tricky assist device there. How it says he made all the mistakes you normally make leaving academics in going into industry. Let's listen. What was what was your primary mistake that you recall do? You know, you try, and you know, you you don't worry about the liberals and time line, you worry about, you know, understanding things to the perfect extent than the spend all your time and money rather than actually achieving goals is it it becomes good for mankind. Rather than a a business? Gotcha interesting story. You're no, I'm I'm actually the optimist of the two Marquez, the alternatively colder pessimistic realistic penny on another he's right or wrong. If you asked me the same question about that. But I would say girls stay on this to making the amount of money actually takes the bring it to you made the western Washington what position to any other? There's a there's a right. You need oxygen though survive. So it's a great, obviously, a great combination. I'm sure when you how often do you agree on something? When you're when you bring your point of view, and your peasants point, do you find a middle ground most of the time, or do you say universally, we find a middle ground unless you're one of us happens to be right for that particular time. And then, you know, the reason we've this couple reasons that we've worked so long successfully together. And and if there's one thing you want to take away from this. Podcast. I think in the fact that the reason we've is. We may yellow each other. We may scream at each other. We may tell each other we're stupid, but you know, you you've been to reality and you have each other's back. That's what's important things. And then the last thing is that you have to your model can't stay the same for twenty years. I mean, we've interrupted our model several times or our business model several times that time to throw the downturn of two thousand eight move through you know, the change in early stage money being scarce and stuff. So that's it has more cassette. You know, we changed our mild to get more early stage government money or gone to China, or whatever there's there's a lot of things. But I think success requires the ability to bend. If that would be my takeaway MacOS answer a question that you're done. You're the made sure millions here. It's a we'll collision complimentary in those skill sets. And we always wanted to have it this way or other than crossover still. Mean being the things that the related to clinical research in such basic, generally follow powers need in the that comes with technology that our show property things like this. He moves mine. So if we are Fido with something probably would be the business visa side effects. I agree with Mark. You know, it's, but there's no utility to winning an argument, if it doesn't lead to something, you know, making more money your deliverable, or, you know, something just to win Arlen to win an argument stupid. So that is how Howard Levin Mark. Kelvin started working together and kept working together. The pair would form around C h f solutions a startup that developed a device to remove fluid from the heart Gambro would go onto acquired in two thousand and ten and we'll talk more about t h f solutions later on. But now the big question I had for them is just what is career? We'll find out after this message. All right time here again, as I mentioned up at the top are early bird discount rate is expiring tomorrow. If you want to save in digital two hundred dollars when registering or the med tech conference, you need to do it by April thirtieth go to med tech conference dot com and register for twelve ninety five. That is two hundred dollars less than the full price. Add on your bed tuk tuk code. That's another two hundred dollars. So you're saving four hundred dollars and attending a really really events or go to midtech converse dot com. Register by April thirtieth and use that midtech taco so a decade and a half after forming critic now busy it's operating startups in California, New York Baltimore. What is it? Exactly. Let's talk with Howard and Mark and really try to figure that out. Well, how do you define Caribbea obscene? You describe it you like most other people don't want the debater title. And I don't think it fits here. I've seen you describe it as a as a separator. But how do you define what you do what? Creed is. It's a really good question. Honestly, honestly, we keep. Trying to figure that out ourselves. Tell you what we're good at right? It's not like we haven't taken things from, you know, start all the way through to five ten K or even helped through PMA, or, you know, done the then the process, but what we're best at is finding novel solutions, you know, early stage back in the napkin and then for moving that they're right physiologically clinically. And I think we're we've come down to is our skill set his best to turn it over to people that are better execution people than us at the point. Because. You know, we have we we can do a lot of things that many people can't do early on. But we're not as good as spending people for executions, certainly to Russia's -ation. Yeah. No. I usually describe it as a you know, a first year in car transmission for those of us who draft stick shift. You can't drive very far on the. But without it. You will not start the car. And the put their overwhelming amount of money. That is changing, you know, late stage steals and was jointly stage development. They're very fuel. People truly interested in stage today in medicine, and so we feel that ward the taking basically. Is allergic concepts publications integrating with clinical needs on finding where they feet than both and find a marriage the technology that Toler exists. So we'd like to that kind of space where whip pursuing new therapies ender lying on the existing. Instruments in skills of physicians that only to build up book power just stoked about respiratory. For example. I'm very excited now working in the interventional pulmonologist field which in a lot of. Imaging in their equipment in the heavy capital. Equipment throw. But see you name it. But the therapies have not really started yet. So we're looking at this. Where can we put those therapists into first gear? So they will catch up with. This is actually Mark springing up a really excellent point, which is goes sort of a toward I said about, you know, our model continues to operate to sort of fit the needs of the, you know, where the world is at the moment. If you look at what he's doing a pulmonary space with his two companies one can't end the Ronchi long cancer abrasion trophy. And he has a essentially second generation. The bar he'll valve company. And the the ablation companies is more is some mix of. You know, you're getting into detail some next of early stage for pride Terry back in that can stuff mixed with though now. You know, known techniques of of ablation, and he's been fun way to make them better more advantages within the skill set of the operator, which is the important thing. Separately, though, you know, the the valve company that he has. Is you know, more a play on a better valve done. A better way in a more cost effective thing that fits the needs of the of the thing you at the understand physiology better in order to be able to make it simple ourselves. But it's really a a gen to vow for a, you know, a place that already known to work. So. And so you know, that that's a lot different than, you know, already end, which was, you know, purely back in the napkin, yo theoretical stuff to start to to this. And also if you look at it he raised the money in China for that. So again, it's this you gotta keep changing to to keep going. Innovate on innovation for sure. This. That's a good thing in the waiting. Maybe. That's what we what we do this days. That's why it's so many people are doing these days. We're seeing the rise of bio design groups starting in Stanford, of course. But now, they're nationwide it producing med Tech's creating med techs and Texas, Minneapolis. You've also got folks like Andrew Cleland who's the former CEO of Ardian leading up the Fogarty institute for innovation and they come at the problem differently. We'll get over to the podcast. The bydesign groups really analyze the process of healthcare and try to figure out solutions to problems quite different than how how're Levin. Mark elfin did things where they were addenda by biological processes that they sort of wanted to start in try to figure out a process or a way to get the process started. So I ask how to Howard Levin and Mark elfin see this rise of more institutionalized innovation. Let's find out they will work their wants to play Stanford bydesign, we are working very close near with a CB. Program at Johns Hopkins both of us teaching their initiative sponsor of groups every year. So we will fairly will integrate it into this fabric of. Yeah. Sort of institutional innovations for the lack of a better word in. I think it will. It is also still Knittle separate though, the outcomes it works extremely well. In training, people who later feel those positions of leadership in become enterpreneurs in the industry. Without them. We would there would be this giant vacuum. Both from people with right beggar on understand the out to find unmet needs of vote on the lies them No-ho to put his start off together. So it's a training girl. And are they equally efficient at actually generating new ideas on the no, I would let our talk about it. Probably. Yes. What what we do is sound would different covered mentioned because we keep reinventing the mortal in partially we keep reinventing itself just because we like doing it in. I is covered mentioned it is a it ensures to bible in this changing world than the MIT that world is very different today from what it was yesterday. We're a member since he would be in in in this industry for a while on there were times when the those large PMA projects. There was a tremendous need to treat the diseases that were not treated well at the time alike. Again, we're talking about getting sample. We we did not have found on that more the little we just realized that you cannot feel the entire incubator with projects like this. You need to diversify just you can have five Arjun incubating in the same year as we threw it. So now, we probably we do one of those every free years. It's a love. We just got one founded covered star the in the treatment of gift again. It's a desperate the bar group of heart failure patients with very little on therapy valuable to them. But again going back through my first point we realize that the is it stands today. There is a lot of needs to create value base hurl felt there just take the procedures that though already work, but they just do expense. Do or source consuming. In bring them through the level. There's sort of things that we take for granted than one furrowed Shakespeare incubating now with John often says we're looking at D's, for example, implantable device it costs a fortune gives people sheriff's when they go into like everything. And when it was invented, you would say, well that was a brilliant idea. We literally to save lives, but think that technology has no three a walled in with thirty years. Go on and vital today's standards in the also the Healthcare's becoming global in our admission China into this big big midtech market or they're not going to put see these inpatient. So it listen pushing back on those because of pricing because of logistics because a follow up because of many many pets. So is that dick -nology? Ready to be sort of revolution arise through TV in the foot unity here. Yes. And we're working with and looking at the Altoona stood him in. They they need where I sit us because I was the best way to treat like every face to prevent it from happening. So listen to kind of approach the you would sign the little bit. I'm vicious perpetual. Getting back to your original vinyl agree with everything more. So but getting back to your original question of like or those programs. Good or not the answer. You know? Of course, they're good. And they all and they do an excellent job in whatever. We're. You know, but there's a couple of problems that you know, there's not enough early stage funding for all of those people that get turned out to be able to do some of the early stage stuff that they would like to. You know, some of them are just not also genetically deranged enough like us. I mean, we have. Gene of like, you know, start up, gene, whatever. But, but you know, it bowl kidding aside. The issue is. We actually rely on physiology. Once we've identified the unmet need, youngish know, everything comes back to it's gotta be a business. And so our matrix is for valuate of something is very similar to any VCE in a sense where, you know, take taken a disease, diabetes heart failure, or as by whatever. You know, you look across in trying to understand the clinical spectrum of the seas. And then you try and understand where the current therapies work and where the unmet needs. That's where then we differ a little bit from people where. Instead of looking for initially technical solution. We look initially for physiological solution that that has a technical answer to it in a sense. So if you look at Ardian in this new sample, you know, the the answer is where was you know, hypertension was treated or hypertension. He's problems it was treated well here. Not well here in the group where it wasn't treated while we believe that the meal sympathetic nervous, actively pay the large role. And then the question was how do you it? We actually looked at a number of different ways from the initial one of actually drug blocking. Injecting drive around the outside to in in the end, eventually became a an ablation intermeshed relation procedure. We looked at all of those different things. And in the end, you know, after the foundry took it and then. It what, you know, Andrew Cleland in itself, then, you know, went through the whole thing and showed the clinical benefits long-term issue. You know, it was a physiological answer that we then found technical solution to, but but then even after that that just gets you in the ballpark, and then you can look at a whole number of other things on paper, you know, technical risk Hoon caressed IT risk reimbursement. Risk. You know, who carries the bag who the potential firers while the make up all these different matrix that we use in order to on paper. Cut out ninety percent of the projects that are become a good for mankind or not really a good business versus business to to focus on. And I think that you know, people have been trained a lot better over the past number of years in in doing modifications. Everybody has her love -cation of that. That approach, but you know, in the end, Marcus, right? I think you can only do so many sky you have with if you want to survive as a as a debate idea generator separate, or whatever you wanna call it. You have to have now in pipeline a number of different approaches. The other problem, though, that's come up as US used to be the main market and everybody lives sort of focused on the US and right now, Marcus focusing of some of the stuff on self pay market in China. Now, that's intention different. Cogs different different approach different users different needs for the. The patients than in Europe, or in US, everything from IP to the business side. Is the US markets today. Thirty percent O'neil domestic market. I don't know exact numbers. You probably have a bet on them. You can three to build a successful strategy based on thirty percents of the world. Mark will in article I read recently in Forbes puts the US med tech market at more at forty percent of global industry. So it's obviously huge at Marco fans right outside the US. There is a bigger slice of pie or wars slices of the pie. Everyone slice up the pie. They're outside. All those pies slices are outside of the US. So if the market is out there, you can find a capital out there as well. And Marco opens had some success in raising money from investors outside the US. Let's find out. How does how did you go about securing funding from China? And is it something that's easier than people might think or more difficult. Who'd you? That's a big question. Yeah. No. It's a really a dead lets you have to sort of securing funding in China is easier than securing funding in the US if he has starting accompanying Chen if he wants to secure changes funding for the company in the US or Europe dictionaries harder because there are many bureaucrat to hoops jump through and which creates a disparity in relations. You know, internal startups in China kinder- all on the national funds that have no international presence that the Bulla Wellman majority. They're a small number of cheaney's investors, specifically looking to invest outside of China for multiple reasons than some of them was because they won't do keep their terms outside of China. And then they're all sorts of possible combinations. Regarding the more important question. How do you go to secure the only way I think that I would recommend anybody to do it is to go for personal connections because everything in China, it is based on personal connections in unique to make those connections. I. Because it's a four four in their coming through China to raise money just go to the conference, and we do that in a participates in those conferences, and it's great you'll you'll get mid and business cards from people who call themselves investors. But they would not take a man that pathway to anybody. I look we'll call with a lot of strange at the provincial problems expectations that you can feel the if you make a good connections in China on the personal level with people you trust in the we just we're lucky to have those so wonderful our friends in co workers from Arjun times extraju from Columbia University moves back through China a job there as a dean of medical school in later became part time, you see in preneurs heave grizzard introduced us. Still people you can work with than thrust into understand the intricacies of mythic because majority of Chinese investors invest in the real estate coal and medical devices, and you can emission the disappointments that will come from that it's so for the few that actually are Ian that field. And understand what they're doing in willing to invest outside of China. It's it's a it's it's how you call it. The selection process that you will have to go for the very large pool of investors in unless somebody's guiding you. I don't think he will get the right ones. Well, that's not a rap. But it certainly concludes part one of maybe with Mark Galvin, and how eleven we'll get to a lot more next week. Of course, talk Ardian, which really represented one of med techs highest of the highs when Medtronic agreed to pay over a billion dollars for the company and the lowest lows when fuse later Medtronic announced some devastating trial results that really decimated. The rental innovation space demoralized all of midtech in particular, the founders and those involved with ardent backed I was a little little reluctant to ask the question. Do you lake talking about earning? I mean, or do you feel it's true new? Okay. I mean, it was enormous success story. And I I don't know. It's just. It follows a classic drama. You know, under at least metrics. Yeah. Exactly. Though, we have we have redemption stage. So we've been them glorify genocide, yet, they're deem. So make sure you listen next week for more of this story. And also makes you register for the midtech conference and the respiratory innovation. Summit metric confidence happening on may thirtieth may twenty ninth and may thirtieth in Minneapolis. The respiratory innovation summit is taking place on may seventeenth in Dallas go to attend R. I S dot com to register for RS in go to med tech conference dot com to register four. Well, you can figure it out. You can use the med tech talk code in. Either case you'll save a boat load of dough. So please don't forget. That's it folks. Tune in for other great tale of med tech innovation next week when I continue my conversation with Mark elfin and how eleven.
CDL Viewership Surges and GaryV signs Bugha
"The call of Duty League Hits Record Viewership and Gary V's signs the fortnight world. Cup Champion Dreams in the sports minute presented by E. Sports Network let's start with Gary V. The outspoken investors become bullish on each sports. Ardian invested in the Minnesota rocker and the call of duty leak. Gary V's now lodged a gaming division of athy talent agency. Vader sports. His first game client is four day world, Cup champion. Champion Buba after winning the widely publicized event. BOOB, whose real name is Kyle, gears, dwarf with for being a decent fortnight player to what are the faces of the game? He parlayed that success in a partnerships with major brands like Samsung and five below Bainer. Gaming came out. Firings announced Buca has signed a long-term exclusive streaming deal with twitch, and re upped his contract with the Sentinel's Eze. Sports Organization He. He represented at the Fortnight World Cup. Having more outside representation eastwards is good for everyone involved and having an outspoken proponent Gary v is good as well in call of duty, Gaby's other properties, surging as well while the inaugural year of the CDL definitely didn't go totally planned. There seems to be real momentum with champs around the corner. The New York home series. This past weekend reached a youtube record one. One Hundred fifteen thousand concurrence during the Chicago Huntsman and Atlanta phase match while the huntsman and face off peak viewership. It was the hometown New York's subletters to grab their first tournament win of the year, the final match between the sub liners. The Huntsman was the most watched finals of the year with ninety six thousand viewers. That number would likely have been higher except the sub liners swept the popular huntsmen. Over on the East Sports, network PODCAST I was set to have subline a rookie Mac on the show, but he had to reschedule for next week due to screams the upcoming home series. You can look forward to that podcast on Tuesday the twenty-first where we'll talk about the shift to online play the first and tournament win and much more. That's it for these sports minute if you work for a brand. Brand looking to expand the reach and sports. The Sports Minute East Sports Network podcasts are looking for a sponsor. Interested applicants can email each sports network, CEO Mark Timid. The email link in the bio of this podcast in addition, if our listeners could rate and subscribe to the East sports minute that would help us a ton as always I'll be back tomorrow with the biggest story today and just ninety seconds.
BONUS EPISODE: Holiday Touch Trio Featuring Sharla Butler and Maleah Vaughn
"Welcome back to a central oil solutions with Doe Tara. We're excited to bring you a special bonus episode today we're going to be sitting down with Charlotte Butler who works on our product marketing leading team and Malia Fon who works on our science team to talk about the holiday touch trio that was recently released Charlotte and me thank you so much for joining us. We are so excited to have you here today me. Can you tell us about what you do here at Doe Tara. Yeah so I helped manage the team of scientists that develop up all of the essential. Oil Blends that you guys get to enjoy so that includes oil blends that go into all of our personal care products and nutritional products and the fifteen mile bottles else. That sounds like an exciting job. You get to know all the new products before they're coming out. What is your favorite part of handling the science side of it? Oh my favorite part heart is just coming up with ideas for new oil blends and looking into the research and seeing what essential oils apply to that specific target and just realizing how amazing this plant material is. That sounds incredible Charlotte. What about you what do you do here? Don't Tara. I am the senior product doc marketing manager and I oversee a team of people that create all of the products. We make sure it gets put in the bottle so malaria comes up with great ideas as we make sure it gets put in the bottle and then we help launch oils in all other markets as well while I mean you guys have such incredible all knowledge and experience with these oils which is definitely why we wanted to have you on today to talk about these oils. That people have an opportunity to buy with this holiday selection election that they've never been available in touch form before. So why are these touch. Trio's so special. Will it make see so great. Is that Ardian. A base of fractionation coconut oil. Like all of our touches and because of that they have a more mild aroma. That's more discreet. Green C can use them in a variety of settings and also that coconut oil on the skin helps kind of trap these essential oils on there and help them penetrate to treat the skin better and also makes the aroma. Stay for a little bit longer. Thought sounds great and definitely. The convenience of that is so nice that they're already pre diluted that that people don't have to sit like a scientist in a lab creating their own little blends in these roller bottles. That's so great Charlotte. What is the benefit of having these three oils in a touch format? Well for one thing we've never offered some of these oils and a touch before so it makes it very convenient like me saying so that you don't have to create your own and and to that point we've made sure that the blends are in a ratio that's convenient for most everyone to us so it it's exciting because we've never had serenity in a touch before so it's it's just a convenient way to have it you can carry them with you and it the tube that they come in the cardboard tube makes it very convenient to carry in a gym bag or travel with so absolutely and for those of you who haven't seen the packaging on this holiday. It is absolutely beautiful. Something that would not even need wrapping if you decide to give as a gift. The packaging is incredible Somalia. So how can people use a balanced touch oil. So as I stated before because it's in the base of a fraction coconut oil. It's less likely to cause any any kind of sensitivity so you can use it on a wider variety of people without that fear of potentially sensitizing. Your skin and my favorite thing about balance is that it is so calming to my emotions personally and it's great to have an touch out because that means you can have it with you and just pull it out throughout the day and just anytime. You're needing that moment to just still your mind and Kinda take a break from the world's you can step back pull it out of of your bag and apply on like your wrist. Your hands take a deep breath and what I love about. The touches is at the Roma's just slightly more mild so you can do that personally. And take that moment for yourself without necessarily distracting. The person next to you. That's great I know and I'm sure everyone has kind of experienced this when you. You have a stressful day when you just need that moment and maybe you're in your car or you're trying to do it discreetly in a meeting even these touch oils are so nice for that because you can on just roll it on very discreetly without causing a lot of attention charlotte what do you tell people about the helix touch. Why is that one that they would want want to have in their home so I think that Hilton is a great item to have in Home Health Kit? It works well for everyone in your family. It helps with appearance of blemishes. It's great great for your skin. It helps promote a youthful complexion and it smells good. And that's why it's a single oil in a role on me. What do you use it for hilliker? Hilliker is one of my favourite oils. But I know that it's super expensive. So having in the touch is just so much more affordable for me to be able to access it. And personally I use Zim on my face but I'm always WANNA use diluted oils on my face 'cause I just have sensitive skin so now I don't have to be mixing my Hello Chris. I'm way a coconut oil. I can just use a role on instead because I love it for my blemishes on my face and just promoting that younger complexion because something i WanNa hold onto. That is amazing. It is definitely one of those kind of rare pricier oil. So it's a great one to get in touch it a little bit. More of an affordable price is point moving onto the final oil in this trio. And it's definitely one of the most popular oils that Tara has the serenity touch Malia why do you love the serenity and the touch form I love it because I like to use serenity in the evenings and if if I'm applying serenity to say like my neck to have it close to my face so I can smell when I sleep. Having it in the touch will help it. Not Get so much on my pillow case at nights and it's just less likely to get the material on my clothes so that's why I like having in the touch format is it's not going to get all over me as much and Charlotte. What about you how do you use the serenity touch boy when I need my mind to be calm and I need rest? That's when I use it. It helps put on bottom of your feet. It's easy in a role on right to put on the bottom of your feet also to apply Like Malaysia said to the back of your neck. It just really helps you know. Soothe your senses and calm your mind and have restful sleep and I know a lot of people really liked this product and it's a really popular one for in our soft gels and and the fifteen eighteen mel for that matter and I think this is going to be a great product to add to that line because it's so convenient and makes it much easier to use on everyone in the family. Yeah and me so you mentioned earlier that these touch oils have a little bit more of a mild sent. I know for myself. I am very sensitive to smells when I'm trying to sleep. So this has been a great option option for me to get the benefits of the serenity to get the calming effects and promoting that restful sleep but without feeling like my senses are overwhelmed. And it's going to keep me awakened said I have loved having you guys on. You are such a fountain of knowledge about these essential oils before we end. What is the number one reason you would tell people they need these? This trio of touch oils in their home. The number one reason is because most people can use these touch oils and there are great product to introduce someone someone who's never used essential oils to essential oils because they're pretty powerful blends and single oil that make a difference in people's lives that they'll notice right away so so it's a way to promote to someone who's never used on essential ill before and it makes makes them change their mind maybe about it. What about you MILIA? I feel like these oils are really the basics lakes that you can start with when you're introducing people essential oils like Charlotte said and how Ingham in touch just makes them that much better because they're easier to apply and you can just keep with you at all. Times will thank you so much for sitting down with me today for sharing your knowledge and all of the great benefits about these as oils. We hope to have you back again soon. Thanks thanks thanks for joining us for this bonus episode if you want to try the products and the holiday trio we talked about Goto dot dot com or find. A wellness advocate. Mary you to place an order today.
"Still Cancelled" UCAP1006-bravo
"Afternoon guys how you doing Spaghetti skippy. Lovely Day in the neighborhood. It is a lovely day on here's Today's report from Oshkosh Wisconsin it is it's it's two in the afternoon it's. It's actually one in the afternoon. There seventy six degrees. The wind is from. Game Away Wind is from the West twelve knots gusting seventeen ten miles visibility. Few clouds at two, thousand, four hundred and air venture is still canceled. It's that kind of a day. If. You're making an imaginary approach. He should be coming over. Ardian is right about now it's. Our Unit so man. I've got a picture I'm going to post a twitter. Just perfect of what I've already already in its that's there's another reason to get in the debonair and go to Oshkosh like you were talking shoot today. I don't need any more reasons. Chocolate shakes and chocolate shakes I'm shake shake. We're visiting with another one of our oshkosh friends who aren't getting a chance to see in person this year. The mayor of Camp Bacon the Mayor Campaign his royal. We had a name for Larry. overstreet is Larry Hey. Guys, how y'all doing I'm doing well and doing well. First of all, it's out of the way. How are you doing? Are you bearing up well into the pandemic and everybody's healthy. We, we've been fortunate and able to just kind of hunker down the old RV here in our family. We've had two positive results, but no serious symptoms. Are you know nobody's having a a real bad time with right well, fingers crossed and I'm glad things are well for you. But Your so you're on your, so you spent a long time you you have spent most of the spring in Lakeland is right. That is true because you were there, you were on the grounds prepared for Sun and fun. Yeah, so when we arrived at Sun and fun on March thirteenth. And then which which was the day before the fourteenth. Was the second. Volunteer workday and we usually try to show up then. We were planning to stake out the area for camp. Radioactive and Short for the Work Day and help, and they just kind of stay there and do some volunteer work for the radio station prior to the show starting. And then during the workday they they said you know this. You know timeout this May or may not happen exactly how we wanted to. And because our schedules, pretty flexible we decided to stick around. They said they would have A. Decision by mid April to proceed in May or not, and we figured well, if if they do go ahead, they're going to need as much help as they can get and we can stick around and be here, so we'll just hang out until they make a decision. And then, of course you know in in the intervening time. Florida went into a lockdown situation in Sunan, fund was kind and gracious enough to allow us to just stay there on the grounds and we. We ended up moving over right next to Dave Shell better stamper so that was kind of fun to. Be there, but we didn't get to see him for some time it was. has to get a couple of months, and then he was able to come out to campus there for a day. But. We spent almost came for three weeks and spent four months. And you arrived basically the day I went into self quarantine. Okay, which is why I never made it up there to see you. Gotcha, yeah. And for anybody listening for whom that doesn't mean that whole explanation makes no sense I should just clarify by saying that Larry Larry, Mary Beth live the RV. Life you. You've been living out of your motor home now for one literally La Vida RV. For about a year and a half now, right actually we're coming up on our second anniversary. We we went straight from. Oshkosh twenty eighteen so ago. We went home. Had One day to close on our house and the next day. We were fulltime our viewers. But you're on the move now. You've been in Lakeland most of the spring and you're on the move now you're you. WanNa say where you are now. We're we're in central Indian on some public land where we can camp for free for up to fourteen days, and that's kind of in Dave's old stomping grounds here. And so we're enjoying that and it's a little bit of a warm humid day today, but not too bad. Cool not cool. Nice sounds good. So, You are. We were joking around earlier. You are sort of the ringleader, the organizer for a group encampment at Oshkosh. In camp, Schoeller call that's affectionately called Camp Bacon. could tell tell. How long have you been involved with? Camp Bacon. So can't bacon is probably you'll give or take about ten years or so I I'd have to go back and look to tell for sure. But You know prior to that even. I started going to Oshkosh in seventy nine with my dad. and. We've been there most years since my kids grew up going up to Oshkosh and and then as we started to bumping, bumping into friends and. A who were going to be camping there and said Hey let's camp together and eventually can't Bacon. Is What it is is what it would have been this year. and. You'll a lot of good friendships have come from time spent around the campfire or. Just hanging out at Camp and getting to know people in a way that you wouldn't if you were just there. And of course in years you guys have joined us and yeah, that's always fun as well I'll tell you it back in the days when Jevon Dave and I were fortunate enough to stay in the super. Eight hotel. That's may sound odd to say that fortunate to stay in the rate, but all things considered. It was a good deal. I used to a lot of evenings. Come over to visit You poke camp. Bacon and I always enjoyed those visits and. JEB, and day being the social industry butterflies that they are were all often out, and about doing other things. And I kept saying go got to go to Camp Bacon and they. I think they kind of Ho. Hummed me a little bit. And then when the super eight zero, that's ever happened. Yeah, like the Super Eight year ended it ended for me a year before them and so I I spent my first year at as a resident of campaign, and enjoyed it as I knew I would. And I think it was either that part of that year or the next year. I convinced. I think it was JEB to give it a try. and. Jeb! What was your experience? Good? My my sense of it was that you were kind of like okay, and then you kind of went. Oh, this is really nice I. Like this allowed. I was skeptical. Not of the venue, not of the people of the. The vibe I was skeptical about camping in the first place. Because I've camped in any number of situations before. But I has been a while at that point. In time he had it been a while and I didn't know if I was going to. Enjoy it. For lack of a better word Yep, I was pleasantly surprised the VIBE. The Camaraderie the the The location is great All fell into place. Yeah, and then I think it was the following your David you. Joined us. You have more of a history of camping at Oshkosh David. Is that right? Yeah? For the first. Five years or six years. I worked on the show daily I camped. When the Wichita Eagle would the two times that they sent me up? They Wouldn't. Release my travel budget. Until the month before. and. It's like oh you. Get a room now says in Milwaukee. So I, I camped And and you guys camped under the wing of the of the Comanche I think right well I. can't with the Cherokee. I camped with the Comanche a camped with a bonanza in vintage one year. My Buddy Leprechaun loan me. His Forty Eight v tails. And I fluid up while my airplane was having some work done, and that qualified me too campaign vintage. With a bunch of guys at already knew And Camped all over Camden ultralights, years and years ago. And I always like being on the field because. Three things you wake up in the morning. You're already to show you know fighting traffic. There's always. People to see stuff to do after hours and years when I had. The right job had a John. Deere gator to drive around the grounds. And let me visit a lot of friends. And the other part of it was just. That whole. Sense of being there that comes was when you go to sleep there when you wake up there when you fly in there when you fly out of there when you're spending almost no time at all Oughta feel. You really get immersed in what's going on at the show in? It it. It suited meets still does yeah. I do I. Do like the trailer thing that we've been doing better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well one of the things too especially about camp. Bacon but there's there's no drama. Everybody's cool everybody's. You know Kinda on the same vibe. Relative to us. Just enjoy the show and and have a good time and. There's a B seventeen you know. Things like that and everybody's pretty much on the same wavelength. Yeah! People Brag about the deal. They got on the case oil. Or trying to scrounge a cart to help them Schlep the cases. To the airplane. Larry so now, JEB, and Dave and I have I. Guess the three of all three of us have been Residents if you will citizens of Camp Bacon for three or four summers, I think something like that or four, and I would imagine that that you know for the foreseeable future. We will continue to do that it's It's just very pleasant. Larry how many how big is can't bake it? Like? How many campsites are there in how many people I know? It changes from year to year but ballpark. EEK! Sure it really depends. You know just like you say you're year, but it tends to be in the range of. Twenty five, ish, plus or minus a few. Campsite and you know many of the campsites have one person. Many of them have two or three. Like you guys. Last year I think you had floor with James there. In. You know so I'm guessing without going back and trying to count. The number of people is probably fifty to sixty over the course of the week and people don't stay the whole week. Some people come in for the last half of the first half or whatever but we're probably in that range on your wine typical year. and. Can't bake and gets a great location each year because you go in early to stick it out, when do you typically go in? Yes, so I go in typically Wednesday or Thursday a week and a half before the show starts. And it's just you pick a date on the calendar and everybody who's GonNa participate pays for their camping from that day forward, and so you'll. We can go in on that morning. Know the designated day and get all of the credentials for all of the people that were going to be camping with. And then mark off spaces accordingly. And there are very nice. People called the camper police and they do come by every year, and we have a nice visit to show them all our credentials and. Let them know that we're not taking more space than we should, but it does look kind of weird when you have. maybe one one camper or last year. I think Ken missed was there so we had? One camper in his jeep intent. You know to roads worth. Spaces marked off, so it doesn't tracked attention. Yeah. It's my understanding. Is that yeah, you've kind of developed a relationship with those folks and they know you're on the up and up and following the rules and whatnot. I have I heard stories that it wasn't quite as smooth running back in the early days of Camp Bacon, that they were there was a little bit more you know. What are you guys up to kind of thing? I I I don't remember any any time when it wasn't. You know smooth, or you know professional at all. But. We were certainly an unknown at you. Know earlier on and. So anytime they anytime they come around and see somebody marking off a large area. You know they just WanNa make sure you do understand the rules and make sure you do have the credentials to back up the amount of space that you're taking. How, how Larry Are you in touch with the camping police or the powers that be with respect to shoulder off-season outside of the show generally know. Your we see each other every year and waving smile and I show them all the credentials and. You guys know from previous years ahead of time. I'm usually asking what kind of vehicle you coming in. Travel trailer motorhomes ten. You know whatever and that helps me. Know. How much space to mark off does a typical. Your da official site is twenty by thirty, and you'll have a forty foot motorhome. That's not gonNA, work, and so they do allow for. For you to take a reasonable amount of space for the rig that you have, and so you know, I try to make sure that we're taken enough for everybody to have a place, but not more than we should and. You know the math and the geometry on. That gets a little bit like tetris puzzle sometimes. I just kind of wonder. If because we're not having the show this year, if the powers that be behind Schoeller are maybe rethinking some things. I. Have no reason to suggest that and I don't know what it would be. They would be rethinking, but I kind of wonder. If next time rendering might be some changes the. The agreement that we have among the people who participate in can't bacon is that I will show up on the designated day and get the best spaces that we can. That are available and you know sometimes. We've been lucky in in gotten some great spots and. And yet we know that in any given year that we might arrive on that day. There may be somebody else already there. In? That's okay, they they paid more than. For, SOMBER SURP- yeah, exactly exactly what we have noticed in recent years. Is that as they? EA has been installing more full hookup or partial hookup sites to the. West of where we are that people who used to camp out in that area are sort of getting pushed in sooner towards the. Towards the actual air show, direction okay east. End So. There is more competition for a fewer. Number of acres if you will whatever. As those electric sites and full hookup sites start to come from the West to east interested. That's I don't think that's anything. I don't think that's as much rethinking as trying to just. Stay modern and serve the shirt. You know the needs of the that are being expressed by the cameras common. Continue to develop the infrastructure. Yeah, Yup, yeah. Interesting David is an endless evolution. It is it is. Larry, tell us about the stuck Mike F. Cast Oh. Yeah, so stuck. Mike is. Led by Carl Valeri and has a cast of. Others probably six or eight of us who are through. Co hosts as were able. You know so if you listen from episode to episode. Will have different people on different topics oftentimes we'll have guests. And we try to. You know hit aviation! Sometimes from an educational standpoint, sometimes we'll pick a topic and sort of Russell through it. you know whether that's wintertime flying or something else? That's timely as as seasons change or whatever. Or you know what to think about is. You're getting your instrument rating or something like that? That's a little bit more timeless, but still. Kind of in the in the educational vein but it's you know tagline is. Living to fly learning to fly loving, defy and so anything that falls under that umbrella is what we try to try to hit and. People are out. There haven't found us yet to to check it out. stuck Mike F found you know. Whatever whatever your favorite podcasts yeah, platform is right. Yeah, my it is in fact, my second favorite aviation podcast and All Right Jack. What's your first one? Okay, and Larry I'm not putting on the spot here. But what's the Yarnell how to help? People find stuck Google stock market. STUCK MY GAFFE CAST DOT COM okay. Yeah! Cool yeah, it's good podcast. If you're looking for a and I gotTA figure. There's a lot of overlap between our audience in your audience, but if you haven't heard of stuck, Mike, add cast and you're looking for another revision podcasts. That's one to check out in my opinion, anyways. Thank you Larry. We appreciate your taking a few minutes to talk with us here. We're trying to track down this week. a bunch of our oshkosh friends that were not again chance to be face to face with this year and and and you were one of the first people that came to mind when we realized we wanted to talk with our friends, so we appreciate your taking a few minutes especially since you're traveling, I, know you just arrived on this new location like yesterday or something like that, but always great to talk to you guys. It's good to talk with you. Did you come up sixty five I sixty five? Part of the way we came through Chattanooga, and then, but we also took some back roads. When you cross Ohio, where we're you. Would you laugh at me if I said on the Blue Line. She's A. Let me rephrase it. Go through Louisville. We did yet. We went right through downtown Louisville because I didn't want to pay the toll. Yes that's good thinking well you. You've passed right. Within sight of where I grew up oh cool. Two blocks off north end of the bridge. You came across Oh. That's what that was not that big memorial there. I was gonNA say that crater. Smoke in the air kind of being a miniature Washington Monument. Idea better. Yeah, okay well. anyways there we go, this is. You Cap daily not from oshkosh. Kosh not not. The T shirt I almost posted the shirt as a as yesterday's episode graphic, but there is a shirt floating around that says Notch Kosh twenty so it's basically the word Oshkosh with the end at the beginning and knocked Gosh twenty but yeah. So. You've got You Cap daily. Episode Bravo and I expect back again tomorrow and talk to you, then, thanks. When mass thing, yeah, Happy Birthday Phil. She's am. Yes, Happy Birthday, Phil.
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I honestly don't even know where he's been obscurity by now he's ahead with a six year deal which is a preposterous deal if you ask but you know you realize that they're taking on the identity of detroit and that he's going to punch you get punched in the mouth and take it with a smile and then he's gonna scratch and claw. He's going to bite unique kneecap and then you're can enjoy the kneecap and then you've got to bite your third and i think that almost like in the old school. Nhl days to draft a player he had to be from your area. The same thing with the nfl. But like he has to match the fifth. A bob and dan campbell is a is a round one pick for detroit kneecaps off like i think a been each person. He's dropping s bomb. You gotta eat harder. You really dedicate yourself to eat kneecap yes. I'm just off like it was a fucking pinky. I thought that was a choice bite. Unique big enough to do it. I feel like they went to a junkyard. And they're like dan fighting through aluminum cans. Right okay this. Blow in lines of fucking being norton in the ganz off. They went looking for a dog. They found even better up. Six years is crazy because kevin this morning there any hired in two thousand fourteen. None of them still have that job so a six year deal right off. The rip is in fact coaches. Adam gates has been fired twice in that time time. So sincere deal off. Top is a crazy deal. But it does seem also franchise. Who's known to just do everything. Like when the lions if you're if you're working for the lions you think that you're probably not that good. I must not be that good. And if i if you're on the lions and you think you're outsmarting them like you know what we're gonna do you miss six year. Do you like your first instinct is to do something here deal too. I think people wanted college and so he has a levered. I don't think anyone new campbell's ernst. I don't think dan. Dan coach john marlins assistant head coach at no fence to us. 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We got Chelsea clinton i i well kind of a little one sided thing with chelsea clinton right now. I have yet to respond. Because i don't want to get disappeared by the clintons So we were doing rukanda forever tweets. All throughout the inauguration chelsea came in hot with her four year old son aiden who explained that. It's super cool. That it's joe biden's first full day of work at the white house Which i think is patently ridiculous that you'd have a four year old understanding that you know it's the clintons their their their shit i get it. He wouldn't know who joe biden is would know about the white house understand that it's like first full day on the job anyway. I chelsea because i wanted to clinton in the mix too and she quote tweeted it and came back saying it's eliminating. How many adults don't think that the kids are are like the top rope to. They're no sorry. I teach my kids. Shit no no see what she what she did her her quote tweet pot kind of just raced her first week. She was like we were just sitting at the breakfast table saying that. I was like okay. Well you can repeat to you. Sure but the ways you characterizing it. As like i was having like i brought up eight. It's the twenty first day of the twenty first year the twenty first century and he was like. Yeah but did you know i mean. That's not that's not what's happening here. sparked a now. You know now. I'm being told about three year olds. Who know the nineteenth amendments and how i was watching a show like three in the morning last about remember the movie crazy. Rich asians either. Lean something it's a reality show that follows crazy rich asians in la and then. This is my two year old g. He speaks french and mandarin and bubba like sitting there with crumbs on it. Yeah i'd had this feeling. I was watching the tiger woods. Docu today and like he was on like full fucking eighteen holes when he was two key can still run around goddamn diaper right now. He's constipated and i gotta give him ex lax. So i'm like i. I'm thinking to myself like i'm never going to be the parent who's like we're gonna we're gonna i'm gonna push you from greatness. We'll get not woods. That's not happening are you. Have you thought about that. You know this is just something that happened to me. I already on track meets. Yeah yeah we're going to give him up like your roof. What if he does say something. That i can't evans said things that my kids have said that. Like it's gotta be something. You can tweet something that your kids talk about when you tweet something. That's entirely up about them. Being politically savvy fucking three. Yeah if your kid says something funny in silly like there are a lot of people. Don't understand the ruth condom forever like people who are sending me. Heart factor tweets. That were like that's the joke like they're doing satire. That's not real or people who are like yeah. My three year old said like i love chocolate milk. And they're like you guys are not getting the concept here. I almost at the beauty of it. Though like i disagree like the one you end today in australia i believe now why because i think i think your underestimating how much foreigners hated trump. So have you lived in. Let's say you have been in australia for two years and use became known as the american and going on that s. You've been it. I'm just saying if that if you that was your coffee shop and you win their everyday for like two years and was like oh i guess what he did this time and like finally. It's he's out. And i see that. But i also believe that it's like hey trump's out and she's like it was a spontaneous combustion of laws like age by when i have a barghuti irish like i. I wasn't recently. But it's probably like in november where they're like. Hey guys like it was. It wasn't a fucking standing ovation. Like rincon right you're just like It was acknowledged on the con con con. Tommy i'm at Amanda palmer tweet right now. What's that the. I was just looking at the australian girls tweet if found The dude who's tweeting about all this zoom hair was though that was just the worst whatever. He was like the lasting image. I'll remember Kamala harris hair blowing in the wind as she's being sworn in and then lake of long hair like hair longer than anyone who's ever been inaugurated and then in parentheses because she's a woman was just like no matter long air. I mean everybody trying so fucking hard and they're all so goddamn cringe drives me insane. You mentioned the dude. Not to mention that dan campbell. That's the sign on his door head coach last the dude. I mean you got to walk around here. Did you guys see the guy tattoo. Speaking of cringing tweets from inauguration day those a comedian. I guess elijah daniel who got On a big part of his body huge. It's trump a penises mouth tattooed onto and he's like goodbye and good riddance forever. May every future history book remember. You is the testicle should see our Because i loved it and somebody's like why would you do that. That's your idiot. And he was like. Because i loved annoying him and i've been doing it long since before he was president. Nobody knows what the fuck donald trump oh comedian gami by fucking dick say this. If he sees it will is not going to see it. Data can finally be donald fucking tattoo suck cock on their own. Would it would bother me. The hell is. You're you're definitely living rent-free in my. My face is sucking. We'll think about that guy every day you wake up you gotta make the only way to get anything to trump right now to mail it to like. You can't do that if you can't you. Can't you just gonna mail this tomorrow. And what gets delivered. Wait outside shortage last topic We learned other. Bff's pod That brianna and josh richards. Don't know who dave matthews band is. Which i think we gotta stop being surprised by these things see. I have mixed emotions about this because one. Yeah i do understand their young people but they're i think they're almost they're not in the sweet spot. I know old bands because my dad was sold minutes. But i guess like osborne in the eighties and early nineties like the stones probably about as old as fucking now so they see ninety now michigan on. What were we born again. Ninety nine and so how old your parents. They're old mom's would also but she said like in the car her doubts listening like howard stern so they weren't like radio talk guy pair music so if there was a band because demand is really big but like they're really bank but i'm trying to think of like so for me a band that was really big in lake. Eighty two to eighty five. When i was born. That's kind of like what day math uses to her. I don't know every ban from the literally no beyond that was kinda crazy. Used to have one of the songs before but him. I was like dave matthews. you know blues traveler. Maybe if i heard it see the david much bigger than blue blue silos guns n. Roses you now right concert morose. But i like couldn't see yeah wouldn't do you play like songs for like the like you love or more likely I've been doing more like new shit. I haven't liked played on a day. Makes a lot of that is very appropriate round. Really do kanda repeat the lyrics. So i can't i'm right. I mean she was seeing young thugs on the other day. When i was trying to learn that but i don't think yelled really genuinely mad at us. Yes yes that's that's great. I think what's happening staying up this kind of with jay z and young thought with a million dollars worth of game rap is kind of so new that like for the first time ever. There's a rapper whose like washed up like jay z. Jay z has always been cool. And now it's been around long enough that he's also. I think that's kind of what's happening like here. Barstool like we've all always been young and now we're not been around long enough. There are new people who are like your fucking old and we don't know how to handle that like what do you mean you know that. It's i don't think they should know. There's there's definitely never any shock with it but davies That's interesting. I would've thought that day. But it's because. I think your parents are older because you had parents who were in their forties or fifties late forties. Whatever like the gap between my parents like they wanna play like. oh yeah. These are the songs i liked. When i was growing up and dave probably would have been in that mix but nab in weird. That young people are so mad. I was literally not conceived yet. Like why would i know what makes us mad. Is that were like if you've made us realize how different i wasn't. I wasn't conceived when the rolling stones around. But i've heard only snow rolling stones almost like a newer. He anyway rock concerts and shit like watching videos from last night. I liked about these. But i wouldn't. I wouldn't law firm. You know. I brought up like if she knows the rapper from that generation because like i know ants marching and crashed and like fucking. I don't so. I know a lot of if if like somebody wrote a motley crue like i know who they are and like want a couple of their songs. I don't but i guess the difference is not knowing them at all. Because i don't know any of these songs. But i know led zeppelin pink floyd. What did you recognize him from. Have you placed. Adam sandler movie. That's actor when i was that's the whole point of the game they play and david kept going. These generational towns clergy not. I think so far. The only thing that has translated has been dave chapelle comedian. Yes music and actor and all that shit sports they don't know each other's but dave chapelle was the only one that everybody knew comedy might be like the end and i i bet actors like like josh recognizing brad pitt blows my mind though. That was like pretty crazy and flip side is like i don't know who that is and they're like that person has one hundred million dollars that's crazy but like they think we're i mean that's the whole point. Yawning that crosses over seems to be comedy. Yeah you do other comedians. Next to chris rock. And we'll trust you eddie murphy. If you saw was actually be thing that the young and old so yeah brianna all right. That's it Fox china mcgregor. I was so fucking happy. Watson ear smile. Let me ask you this. First of all the is being taken away from you this week by connor junior show. It's hard to keep the shine on me with my son in rizal by show is. He's a phenomenal. Young man young and the head. He's going to be a phenomenal. You'll math sure no problem with absolutely seeing you interacted the kids all week. It's been some some of the most and also parcel sportsbook tomorrow michigan woman. That and logan paul. How does that. How does that work If i guess probably the revenue split and give details but comcast doing the sports book So i don't know he didn't really give any details but if they are going to be like financially tied into the sportsbooks success so I mean if you had to pick if i had to pick two people. Probably those guys specifically nick marks for gaming and logan paul for just like the internet so like the two biggest free agents in my mind. So you know we we did. We have michigan tomorrow at noon. And we've done everything else just pennsylvania so imagine when we have like thirty states forty states like it's crazy. We were dave matthews fucked decide michigan out tomorrow. If you're in detroit go see the guys download sportsbook and bet mcgregor because he was very convincing that interview with robby robby. Let's get serious steal the show on saturday thank right. That's it see tomorrow early next week.
Episode 37: HOME; Whats in your Closet?
"Came moms welcome to the gather. Moms podcast my name is kate. And i'm rebecca. We've created this space just for you because we're both moms and we get you. Yes we believe there. Truly ainhoa hood like motherhood. We need to be ns together. We also believe. We can't mom well without jesus. You're going to hear us. Talk about him to follow us on facebook and instagram. At gather moms and make sure to subscribe you. Don't miss a single episode. Alright mama's let's jump in. Hey mama's welcome to the gathered. Moths podcast is episode. Thirty seven and shout out to another interview. We are so excited to be going into the home today. Any worship ginny is amazing. Her here on the podcast before she is part of our gather leadership team and she is in charge of our neighborhood gathers she's the visionary behind moms meeting together in homes and so we are so glad to have her with us today. I totally feel like. She's a home expert because i feel like she is willing to open her home to anybody and everybody like whenever they need her first year. And she's the queen of hospitality and she has done something so cool at her home over the pandemic and we cannot wait for you to hear about it. So here's our interview with jimmy. Jimmy welcome back to the podcast friend. Do you know that you are first. Ever podcast guests on episode nine and we are so thrilled to have you here with us again and super bonus is that you are here with us in the studio. You're the only guess that we've had with us. Because pandemic it's all been via zoom. So it's fun to have you in the room you. I'm so glad to be back. Feel free to spit on us. We're vaccinated thanks. Rebecca forgiven weird of ginny. We are just crazy about you. Were so thankful to have you back and for moms. It listened to the podcast. They've heard us talk about gather groups before but that comes vision that god gave you several years ago so you tell us a little bit about like what is gathered group and what happens when gather groups gather get together such a nice use of force big you. Yeah so gather. Groups is really just moms in community together so it can look however it needs to look for your stage of life and your group. Initially we started gather groups in our neighborhood In our in my home was the first gathered group where i just invited moms that live in our community. That needed a space to be intentional. To learn how to be an intentional mom in their home and how to have community with other moms because as we know right now with the crazy housing market people are moving here from all across america constantly. And there's so many moms that are coming here with no community. No family no friends and even for people that have lived here a long time so many are not living in community with other moms and trying to do it themselves. And so that's the heart behind gather is porting pouring moms it into the moms to get them into community and so that's how gathered started in no matter how that look some gather groups meet by topic. So maybe they're all special needs moms of kids that have different challenges and they can really have that bond together. Maybe it's moms that are adoptive moms and so they have that bond. Maybe it's moms that live near each other or or in a certain stage. They have teenagers. We also have groups that have just started for launching moms that are sending their kids off to college or out into adulthood because that's a whole different season and so we're starting to put together a curriculum for those groups and most recently we have started. Gather two point. Oh for moms that are in the stage of having adult children and parenting their grandchildren's sometimes in their home or just grandparents. That don't see their grandchildren as often. Or maybe daily so it's a whole different wide range but it's a different stage than moms whose children are in their home and so we have curriculum that we offer for those two most gather groups meet once a month usually for just one hour and some groups meeting homes. Some groups needed a coffee shopper playground. Some meet at a church. It just depends on what works for that group but we always encouraged are group's to Just be intentional about having that community and being a safe place where moms feel like they can be heard and be real and laugh together about motherhood but also just be encouraged and leave inspired to do just something better just one thing better in their home that month ginny every time you talk about other groups. I get so excited. Group am ardian. I've just like seriously if you wanna go fight a war on your team. Let's go yes do it. Yes so tell us. How many groups do we have right now. And how would a mom find a group if she wanted to join one. Yeah so over. The last year with kovic obviously gather became illegal to meet and so. It's been a little challenge. We're kind of coming out of now. Gather groups starting to meet again. Shout out to see people in person s so we had over the course of the last four or five years we have started over hundred and twenty groups all over from around here in texas to other states. Even to our sweet group in nigeria. So we have seen that mom's knee community no matter where you live and so it has been neat just to see that number of groups grow and so there are group's on our website at gather moms dot com you can find the groups their most groups use pages and groups to Kind of organize themselves. You can find a link to a group and see if there's one where you live but if there isn't it's super easy to start a group and we have free curriculum for you to use and there's information on gather moms dot com as well on how to do that to have your own group in your home. Love it love it. Love our champion visionary of gathering together. So good if i win so hey jan. This season on the podcast. We're talking about home and we've kind of asked our guest to take us into their home and and just kind of let us know like a little bit more about your ho- what it looks like there. We were just laughing about you came. And you're like well. My home right now is a mess because the carpet cleaners their else. Today is a disaster. I just threw the kids in the car. We are doing virtual school this year at our home So i have a first grader and a fifth grader and they have been home all year and before this. They're in public school so they have an online teacher and everything but they're still on and off. Zoom calls all day. Right and needing help so i also work from home yeah. Cpa and tax season doing that thing on the side. I'm usually in my office working up and down helping them and then throw in. Today we have family coming into town this weekend. So you need to carpets clean. Because i have an old dog the smells and so we can't get card. Its until she dies for sandy. We're all saying you know trying to keep the carpet until she makes it as long as she does but So yeah there's a man in there right now with all the hoses and all the commotion that comes with the carpet and towel cleaning and the front door is wide. Open the dog's trying to escape out. Kids are on zoom calls in my office because this is a loud noise ended up it off by someone walked in as we were loading up to come over here and tell me that the fish just died. So yeah yeah. It's just chaos in my house not that bad every day but most days. It's a little crazy. So but i mean don't you think that's so helpful for other bombs to hear. It is bad everywhere. Yeah listen. I gotta share something to because i don't think our listeners know this but i have a favorite part of jenny. Whatever she tells stories she impersonates people and she does it so well. You feel like you are like with like i feel like i'm with the carpet cleaner guy. When she's telling me about that so i just want to know that she is the best impersonator. She's you driving with a friend the other day and i was so into my storytelling that part of the story i was like and she was like whoa and the person driving with iraq and i was like. Oh my gosh. i'm so sorry. I really wasn't that story. It'd be scare you so yeah retailers storytelling so we love it. So yeah but. I live here in fate one street over from kate and in texas here and it's great came over my house shoes and our star wars shirt because we're recording on may the fourth be with always on board for a good holiday. We i'm really watched any movie. But she's got t shirt shirt. My son has been wearing the yoda costume all day. And i i did see her coming in ray. I didn't even put the two together or chaos today. I would've decorated for it but you know going on today. I love it so you know besides the spot that we're going to talk about. Do you have a favorite spot in your home. Well my backyard would be my favorite spots. Your backyard is all of our favorites. Dreams are made is well. We spend a lotta time out there so we wanted to make it a place in texas. You can spend time in your backyard almost year round. so we'll have seventy degree days in december sometimes so We just made it a place where you know we want to be so it has been great with virtual school this year. The kids can take their laptops outside. We have a hammock area. We kind of turned the playhouse into like a grownup area. So we have hammocks so we love to sit in and a zip line off the top and so Just being out there. And i love gardening so i love pretty flowers and so i just. That's my happy place to come and sit and work or have time with god and so it's great. I love that replace love. Do you have a place in your home. Besides the carpets that you'd like to refresh definitely the carpets. but well. yeah so our dining room has become the schoolroom this year. Eight because i needed the kids downstairs near me because in the spring last year when we had to throw up a desk somewhere. Yeah yeah it was not working for them to be upstairs in their room. Like i was up and down the stairs. Sounds like if we're doing this all year. They gotta be down near me so we took all the dining room furniture apart and put it in the attic. Totally wondered where it. We're gosh china. It's still down there and it has like school themed decorations. of course. of course it does but you know it's like coming now we're like okay. We're coming out of school soon. What am i going to do with that space. And it's a problem even message. Some of my like design interior design friends because the dining room is kind of a weird spot. I feel like in your house because we bought like nice dining room furniture and and five at our first house because it had a dining room. We just gotten all this. I remember the day you got that furniture. You threw a baby shower at your house. Remember that my baby shower probably was baby shower and she had just bought this beautiful diamonds like a really nice place a lot of money on a nice because we had all this china and crystal and everything we just got married and we didn't have any kids so as like. Let's have this pretty dining room. Furniture will fast forward to you. Know fifteen twenty years later. It's not really in style anymore. Nobody has china cabinets and fancy furniture. And so it's like what do you do with it because we spent a lot of money on it. Yeah and you don't want to spend more money to get something new. So that's the area. I'm still trying to figure out like. Is there a way to refresh the dining room without spending a fortune on redoing. It sure so. I don't really. We're totally going to have her back on when she finally figures out what she's doing what that dining room. We're gonna come back around to this listeners. Don't you worry to sell the dining room table in the garage sale last weekend. Nobody will go. Listen i remember when he tried to sell it on the internet and people were offering you pennies dollars sad and then he was like no. I'm not taking your twenty bucks for this really nice dining table ice and i'm sure some day it's going to circle back and everybody's gonna want them and then we'll have gotten rid of it for twenty bucks so yeah i don't know hang onto the needs some help. We totally wanted you to be on the season because you have created this new space in your home that i absolutely love and i want our listeners. Get to hear all about it. So can you tell us about your prayer closet. It's kind of weird to talk about because you know it's kinda supposed to be a secretive thing. Go in secret or k. Sure it's not. So that was. The bible says the bible. Call it a secret. Had not acre made a movie about to talk about free reign now. Yeah it's good. I had never seen her movie. The war room. I don't know if y'all have watched it before but listen. Let's throw out grandma judy. She loves her some christian movies. So anytime those come out. She is helping the bradford's get onboard. Saturday saw the war. Okay okay. I think to see it. My you haven't seen a either isn't big on the cheesy. So most of the time. If i suggest him. He's like alan but whatever reason this spring we were like let's give it a shot because we have not watched this yet and so we sat down to watch it. Just the two of us and it was so inspirational. Just because i think we tend to go through our lives praying here and there but never really spending intentional on your knees prayer time and it was just really inspirational to see how in the movie. They showed how truly changed their situations by train and so in the movie. Miss clara is the main lady besides priscilla's character and it's she's an older woman. Who has this printer closet. And she has tacked up all these things and prayer things all over it and she reminds me a lot of my great grandmother who i barely met But i just hear stories told her she was such a prayer warrior that when her boys and her sunday school class went to vietnam that she prayed over each of them every day that they were gone. Well except for one boy. She didn't have on her list that he was there and he was the only one that didn't come back and so she sees it was. I don't know it's always been passed down to me like her. The power of her prayers was really amazing and her connection with god. And so i've always aspired to have that kind of prayer life and so watching. That movie was just really a reset for me of hey. This is an area of importance. That i think i tend to delegate as not as important shirts all of the tasks that we have is moms. Did you and really going back to that. So i just started just started laying on my heart. Like what way could you take what you see in this movie and pull it in practically into your world so we have one of those under the stairs closets. You have one two i down. I feel left out jenny. Years big though mine is so my kind of goes under the stairs and then it has curved area and goes on the other side too. So i use half of it for storing like decorations holiday stuff and then the other side used to be like the kids toys that were like in the living room and then when people are coming over you just throw them in the closet you know. And so now. The kids are older. We've moved all the play steph upstairs to the playroom and we don't really have much downstairs. So i thought i wonder if i could use part of that downstairs closet underneath there. It's also our tornado shelter very and so that's good place. Oh shut out. tornado shelter. Will that's going to last through any kind of storm teaching. i always see after tornadoes. Come through that like the staircase is the only thing remaining in home. Sometimes some always feeling real good down there yet thought. Hamlet fill double good if a prayer closet show. Life has no hope no prayer closet. Were pray for us while you're in there jenny. Spare us so. So i decided i wonder how could turn the space. 'cause it kinda you know goes down into a corner down there into a space where it could be as kind of a sacred space. I don't know if y'all have like a space that you go to pray but people always say like have a chair have a friend of mine sits on our back porch and that surplus and i never really had a place necessarily and so i thought i wonder if i could turn this vicious wight scraped up walls in their sure. So i decided. I will get some chalk paints and paint it and see if i can write with chalk and right per request rather than like push pinning a bunch of papers up all over the wall kinda ugly anyway so i found a really pretty turquoise chop paint. It's turquoise it's really. It was the all dark but the only problem is the walls are kind of textured. So writing with chalk is a little challenge. So it's not perfect situation but it's works and so the kids got totally with it and they helped me paint it and then they love going there with the chalk and anytime they hear of someone that needs prayer they go in with the chalk right down the request and then you can erase it so when the prayers answered we have a little wash cloth than there and we race it off so i think i need to do more work can do the other two walls because the first well is filling up like once you start actually writing down things that need to be prayed over. It fills up over pretty quickly. Because you're like oh and that you know. And so. I'd love to add some other walls of like a wall of praise thankfulness and things like that and then more spots so it's become a sweet little space. I put little basket in there with some pens journals. And you know i have. We have a little pottery barn kids chair in the corner. So i kind of sit down. I'll matt zip the baby chair But as back in the little quarter hugh and so it just became a place that we can go and just no like. Hey this is the prayer closet sometimes before bed. I'll be like hey kids. Let's just go on the prayer closet and pray together before bed and pray over the things in there or if someone you know calls me or text me with like an urgent priority. I'm like kids come on. Let's go in here and praying the prayer closet together over this. It's just become a real sweet spot. Michael is i would love to have a routine in my life. Where three times. A day like daniel that i go in there three times like morning noon and night to spend time in in there but i haven't developed that routine or habit yet. That's something i would love to do. So that's why it's you know it's kind of came about and that's beautiful yeah. I think it's so cool because we were just talking about the dining room and like what do you do with the dining room. Yeah and i don't know like what do you do with a closet. Yeah but this has such significance. Not just for today. But you're teaching your kids a practice like a discipline. Yeah they're going to grow up remembering we would go in the closet and pray is. That's like a lifelong blessing. Agree at you're giving your babies. Yeah yeah well. And i remember jessica nickerson. I mean we had her on the beginning of this season talking about home and everything and one of the things she said over and over. Is that your home. Needs to work for you. You know. And i think so often. The dining room is the perfect example because a lot of us are stuck with these dining rooms. Now we're like what. What do i do with this. This doesn't necessarily work for me like you know. My family doesn't use this. So how could. I use the space better for you to think okay. Here's this precious place. That is a little secluded that is creates more of a worshipful investment. Because you can kind of get away stop slowdown you see everything else going on in the house right right and you make that work for you and i i love that. I love that you got inspired and got after it. Yeah it's been great. Sometimes the kids are like the prayer you know they know that kind of up. You know it's like going to the bathroom. Yeah like y'all talked about before. yes you just. Don't have any privacy with the kids no matter what even in the closet. I love the other thing you said was that once. You created the space you your mind had such more of a focus on prayer that now your wall is full of prayers and i do think sometime i if i'm like i don't have that much. Pray about but when you create a place and margin in your life to really consider than the lord just brings the request to you. And i think it says something about our god that he wants us to come to him with all the needs and requests that we have and so often. We're trying to handle so much on our own. It's not all my prayer wall. Because i'm like god i don't need you but you've created a space where anything just like you said someone tax or the kid tier someone. Let's go to the prayer closet. Yeah and it makes. It makes me follow through on doing it. 'cause sometimes you text back. Oh yeah pray for you. But would i started trying to tell people as i'm going to ask you to our prayer wall and make your name on there and that way it makes me like oh i got to go in there right now and get chalk and do this because i told them i was going to add them to the wall and then i don't forget about it and i see it there so it's been it's been helpful. I think it'll hopefully only grow to become more useful and as we kind of get more habits formed about praying in there. Yeah i can't wait to hear. I cannot wait to hear in the years to come. How god uses that space so for moms listening that they may have seen the movie two. Or they're hearing you talk about this for the first time. And they the holy spirit speaking to them and they they know they need to have set aside place in their home for prayer if they don't have an under the stairs closet. Or how would you encourage a mom. Who's not sure where to start. Where would you tell her to start with this. I think you just think creatively about what she do have so it could be a rocking chair on the front porch. It could be you know a folding chair on the back porch. It could be a you know. I would say not probably your bed but somewhere like special that you have to like go and sit there and that that is your place that you're going to meet with god and and really spend time in prayer and if there's not a way to write down your on the wall or pen them up or anything than have like a journal that you handwrite the request in. I mean it's the same effect. Yeah just having a way to intentionally pray over things because sometimes we just sit down and it's like how do i even begin to pray like okay. I can go through. Pray for my kids and my husband. I don't know what else needs to be prayed over. You know and you kinda just like and then something distracts you and. Oh i forgot i gotta do this and you make a note you know your mind is just going so having like a prayer journal maybe or something that you can look at and kind of go through and pray methodically for different things. I mean the list is just endless when you start thinking about it. Yeah for our country and our president. And yeah i mean your church your pastor all the things that you normally wouldn't come to mind if you've just praying as you go but if you sit in intentionally think about it and just find the best place that you have you know and maybe it is cleaning out o'clock in the movie. The girl went home and took oliver close out of her closet. Moved them to spare bedroom closet and said i'm turning my closet into prayer closet maybe it even is reorganizing and say. I'm going to intentionally create space for this If you don't have the space just using what you have and we've talked about reading again. Priscilla showers fervent but as a group that really talks about prayer. Do you feel like that would be a good place for moms to start. Yeah absolutely she talks a lot in there about when you're in a battle which i don't think all realize that every day we are in a battle we're in a battle for children for our minds for marriages and the enemy is real and he wants to take all those things away from us and take away our joy and so when you're in a battle you've got to be prepared for that battle and i think there was a quote in the movie about that that you you don't prepare for battle Outside you prepare in a in a room and you get serious about it you know and you put on the armor and you're not dislike walking around like you actually go prepare and so just knowing that if we're gonna fight the battle against the enemy trying to steal all of this from us than we have got to get serious about our time with god in watch him move that he's going to honor that he's going to see that you have a heart for lane these things before him and that he's gonna you know honor those requests and he wants to hear the cries of our hearts and he wants to help us and draw near to us and if we just really just abide with him agree i mean i you know and we're we're trying to do a better job as a team of just keeping historical documentation of all the good things that god has done. You know. I think when you look at the old testament to i mean moses god through moses god says over and over remember and don't forget remind them what i did. There's so much to about. I think that whole journal aspect of what you're talking about of writing it down so that we remember because we do get in hard times and we go where is god and man if you could just flip those pages open to go there. He was very was so. I can know that he's still here because i know he was with me. Then i think the other important thing too especially for us as moms that you're modeling it for your kids. So when i was in student ministry so often my teenagers would not want to pray in public. They would just get so anxious and worried that they were going to say the right words will part of that is probably that they had never done it. And so part of what you're teaching your kids is your teaching them how to pray. Yes it's not fancy word. It's not fancy stuff but it's just the practice of doing it over and over. yes and so what. You're i think it's funny. We talked about making it a secret earlier but with our kids. Nothing is secret. Just like the bathroom so this is an opportunity for you to bring them with you into the closet just like you said and model for them what it looks like to sit and talk to god for sure and you can even do that as simply as at the dinner table you know. I know my youngest daughter was has just. She's more quiet and more shy and so from a very young age. We'd be like okay. Your turn you pray and she just got real dervis about it and so we had to coach and train her on. This is how you touch to guide. Here let me tell you what to say. And now she can say it herself which she feels. Like god's telling her but it's not doesn't come naturally to some kids as maybe as much as other kids and that's okay so you've gotta teach them that and One thing that we do at our home and around the dinner table. And i know y'all have done two before is taking your christmas cards that you get every year and hole punching those and keeping them throughout the year and so we have them on a little ring and we pull those out at dinner and so we'll be like okay. Let's who's gonna pray and might be a hold on. We gotta get our ring of christmas cards and we flip over and we pray for each of those families and so that allows them to kind of have a space of learning how to pray for other people too. That's a real simple tangible thing. Yes agree i love that. It's a safe space. Yes space where you can mess up. Its space where you can bring something that might seem you know especially for kids something frivolous but then to remind them that god cares about every single detail of her life. How small or how big. Yeah and then. I think when you pray for the big things when when kids see us praying for big things finances Sick people futures. I think it reminds him to that. God is a god and he cares about the big stuff too and so i think there's so much value in that. Yeah agree jenny. Thank you so much for being with us today. I know that our moms are to want to connect with you and kind of keep following along the crazy things that you do that your life just out is the so tell us. How can they find you. Where are you on the on the graham. I'm on instagram. At jenny. lynn worsham yes and then And then if they wanna know more about gathered groups and how to connect to a gather. Where would they go for that. So we are on facebook and instagram under. Gather moms But you can always go to our website gather moms dot com and it really explains a lot more about what gather group looks like how to start one how to be an one an answer any questions and there's ways to contact beyond their two awesome. Thank you so much jenny. We love you jenny. I love y'all too seriously. Like you just had me at the first word because i just love getting to hear about what god's teaching you and how you're making it real in your home so thank you for opening that up to our moms. Thanks for having me so tell me you know there were so many good things there about first of all. I think it's amazing shoes talking about gathered groups and we just talked about. The last episode was all about community. Yeah and mom. We'll get uh. Uh styling altogether. Yeah and so talking about that and then you know. There's i think we find community in prayer to. I mean isn't it so meaningful when you know someone's praying for you or you someone follows up with you when you've had a prayer request that means so much to me. When i get a text someone says hey i've been praying for you. You're like oh my goodness. What a blessing. Let me share this today. A friend texted me that i had a car to a couple days ago and she did not open the card till today so she just had to enter purse and before she sent me the text the lord had laid her on my heart and said i want you to pray for her today and then she texted me and said oh my gosh i just open your card. Thank you for praying for me. And i was like. How'd you know for you. She didn't but that's what god does. I just think he is so eager to show us how he can wrap things up like that. We just have to give them the chance and part of that is just being obedient to do it when he says do it. When you feel a whisper on your heart for a friend or a family member or situation please don't over think that just stop right then and just pray. Yes do the thing. Yes and it doesn't have to be. It's complicated it's not. We don't need to over. Think it just like you just said you know you. Just stop down and pray and you know then if you can send him a text or card lesser. I know you're praying If you can keep a prayer journal you know and get your family involved. Were keeping up with those things. And if god is leading you mama make that prayer closet a make a place where you can go to battle for your family in the heavenly. He's one of the things that i'm going to walk away with. Today from our conversation with ginny is that a highly d'amato is for my kids. I do think that i pray. But i don't always pray in front of them. And i think sometimes as crucial mama's we think oh but it's supposed to be secret or i'm supposed to but i remember seeing my dad. Read his bible at the breakfast table while he was eating breakfast. He didn't make a big deal out of it. Yeah he just sat down with his bible and read it. So i'm like oh my goodness my kids are watching me and so i want them to pick up on those disciplines that i'm doing and i need a model. That for them and one of the things ginny said is that when she would you know. Get a text or something about a situation. She would actually go to her. Kids and say kids come with me. We're going to the prayer closet. I need to go get my kids and say come on. Sit down with me. We're going to pray for this. Yes and you know an example of something that we do in our family is if we're driving down the road and we see an ambulance or there's a traffic situation i immediately say who's gonna pray and that's just become a habit for us and so now they know there's emergency vehicles if there's first responders we're going to cover those people in prayer we're gonna ask for healing you know and so i just think those are some simple ways that we can live this out. Hey mom thank you so much for being with us here. This episode We hope that you connect with ginny and you connect with us over on at gather moms and remember that you can share an episode share this episode when our social comes up monday. So other moms can be encouraged to. 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Donnie Brasco with Joe Pistone and Leo Rossi
"Hello and welcome to based on a true story. The podcast that compares your favourite hollywood movies with history today. We're going to be learning about the nineteen ninety-seven movie. donnie brasco. Who better to help us separate fact from fiction and movie donnie. Brasco and self. That's right today. We'll be talking with retired. Fbi joe pistone. Who's best known for his deep cover. Work as donnie brasco and joining us. We'll be writer producer actor and friend of joe's for twenty two years leo rossi together joe in leo run a podcast called deep cover that dives into joe's deep undercover work. But before we connect with joe and leo. Let's set up our game to truest and ally if you knew the show. Here's how it works. I'm about to say three things. Two of them are true and that means one of them is a lie. Are you ready okay here. They are number one. Joe did not visit his family as frequently as we see in the movie number. Two joe's undercover work resulted in one hundred convictions. Just like the movie shows in number three. There really was a lion. Got them okay. Now as you're listening to our story today your challenges defined the two facts scattered throughout the episode and by a simple process of elimination. You'll be able to find out which one is ally and of course we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how you did heart. Now it's time to chat with leo rossi. And joe. pistone. A real donnie. Brasco about the historical accuracy of donnie brasco. We'll get into some of the details about the true story behind the movie. But i i want to ask you. What was it like the first time you saw the movie about you overall. Do you think it did a good job of capturing the essence of the undercover operation. While the first time. I i saw the completed movie during the course of the film. You c- dailies you know what your shot during the day. But you don't see the whole the whole movie. I was in the theater with johnny. Depp was funny. Because the near the end i look at him. He looked at me. And i had a couple of years of my eyes. Any at a couple of years of this is because you know your man. They made a movie about me. You know about the case. And it's it's surreal. As far as the movie goes. There were probably eighty five percent on the money as far as reality. There were some scenes in a movie that strictly hollywood. And if i may to your listeners that the may have seen the movie are gonna see the movie. Donnie brasco is that i never slapped my wife. That's that that actually was not in the original script. That was a that was put on foot in on the day. I never slapped my wife. We never went to a psychiatrist. Because i never never was home. That much to goto psychiatrist with her and Ardian have a bag of three hundred thousand dollars in a bag. And i didn't sort a guys leg off with a hacksaw. The showed a movie after those guys were killed. I mean that that was legit. Those three guys were killed. But i didn't. I didn't go for the hacksaw other than that. The movie was pretty much on the money. They were the four glaring Medicare durations if you start a movie. I'm driving across the george washington bridge to go to jersey to go home while my family lived across the country. So you know once. We started that operation. I i very seldom got home to see my family okay. Yeah wasn't nearly as as close as the movie makes it seem. Yeah i want to actually ask you this as well leo. Since you're more familiar with the the movie making side of hollywood and acting and stuff but now that you're making the deep cover podcast with joe. What was your perspective on the movie donnie. Brasco and how has it changed since the first time that you saw it. Well you know. The first time. I saw it. And i did know joe at that. Time but I thought it was very authentic. I thought it was just very well made the in. And i said you know who is this lunatic. That would go deep cover for all those years. I said this guy's got to be looked at no. I thought it was. I was watching something that showed me. There are still heroes in america and The way i felt. And then when i met him you know. He didn't disappoint you as they say a dan. I guess the movie has legs right. Leo all we pray for that when you go a week without that movie not being on television before the country got shut down with the virus. A debt i. I do a lot of work overseas for the state department and jay. I'd wake up in estonia. I fall asleep. The television on. I wake up at three o'clock in the morning. I stay christ. I know that voice and it's the movie it's crazy but thank thank. God thank you god yes you know. They didn't they have that. It's one of the top three mafia movies that of all time. Yeah eh joe. And i talked about this. Joe's got his favourite cedeno and everything but we both agree on that as far as authenticity and and really nitty gritty street opera. Goodfellas did it. Certainly donnie brasco. Did it. The godfather was more like an opera. And it it just was. It was beautiful wonderful film but You know. I think we're missing a little bit of that Netti grittiness you know. Yeah not not quite as realistic. And yeah yeah yeah one thing. I know a lot of movies. Do is to create a lot of fictional or composite characters. Simplify the storyline. Of course we know. Donnie brasco was real but then the other main characters in the movie are al. Pacino's character benjamin Rochereau or lefty. Then are sonny black nikki and paul. You're kind of the main characters were they. All based on real people is they were michael. Matteson played the sonny black. And of course jerry was played by out the chino and the other individuals were based on real individuals. Our in in sonny's crew in the crew. That i that i around with in the banana family now in the movie the way that it shows you getting connected with the mob joe is as don the jeweler and there's a job at the very beginning of the movie where left the asked don to diamond. The diamond is according to the movie. Forgotten or fake. So that's how the movie shows you getting in with the mob. But what i found interesting was throughout most of the rest of the movie. There's not really any other jewelry. Related jobs was that actually how you got with the mauvaise jeweler. Yeah as a jewel thief. Yeah actually that wasn't my real introduction into any mob guys actually. The first i'd infiltrator was the columbus. And then i moved over to the to the banados that seeing in real you know in real life came later on when i had i met with jerry. Oh you know again. They're they're making a two hour movie so they had you know they had to have a good A good entrance soda speak but I actually made contact with with lou. Casey's but i i never really hung around with them doing anything illegal. That was introduced to the colombo's tonight. I spent time with the colombo's and then after having a problem with a couple of colombo. Guys i i had to get get away from nevin and that's when i start. Hang around with the bananas but that like again. That scene came later on in the operation. Okay so they sped up the timeline quite a bit in the movie. Yeah exactly yeah. Speaking of getting connected leo. How did you get connected with joe and with the idea to to start your podcast before i answer that you said Speed up the movie. I have kubis that i did. I wish they speed it up right through today and it lasted two minutes. And i i don't know but liles may like one hundred nine movies. It's actually hundred twelve job though when you are filming a movie like that. That's based on truth. We have a thing in our business. Joe is well aware of it now and it's called dramatic license and joe was on the set all the time they still. You know. we're trying to push the do things that really didn't happen but it it's what did you say. Joe it's about seventy percent on the money. Seventy five percent nine. Yeah but you know so. It's on the money it but there are some things that they take You know liberty with and they say dramatic license It's part of the nature of the beast. And what you wanna do is make a good movie. You know and still be authentic one of the those things that they did change that. We kind of talked about a little bit earlier. Joe is when donnie brasco is going home to his wife and three kids and that's it seems like there's there's quite a bit interaction there but i also noticed. There's quite a bit of interaction with the fbi agents. Where he's hanging off tapes we see written reports and so on There's one point one scene where some of the dialogue says. The agents says that it's standard operating procedure to to have donny check in at least once a day maybe miss a day or two here there but as i was watching this. It seemed like for being deep undercover. There's a lot of contact with the family. Fbi how did the movie do showing your contacts with the fbi and your family while you were undercover. Well i only had one contact agent. It wasn't that i met with two three guys. And i would meet with him whenever i felt i had any information value so maybe sometimes i i meet every two weeks. Maybe i see him every three four weeks. So that was infrequent and as i said my family lived across country so i didn't see them too often but you know a again i was told by the writers and the director that You know we we gotta make you likable person. And that's the way they made me a likable person by more interaction with my wife and more interaction with with the fbi. Because they said you know you're doing stuff dead normal. Fbi agents don't do so we gotta make you likable. That's the only way we can make you likable if that made any sense i don't know but as sorte they were they. Were shooting the breeze there. Yeah that's just. The what happens and joe was on the set. I mean you know. That's the one thing that always stuck out with me. We did a one man show. Joe wrote it with myself and bobby maresca wonderful writer and bobby directed it and we opened in chicago center for the performing arts and on opening night. Joe's three daughters were there and afterwards you know it was a big success and I got to talking to them and the one thing they said is. We didn't know how lonely it was for daddy. You know because you know he wasn't with the weiser know twenty four seven almost but then he was by himself and that's that's quite a sacrifice to make. Yeah yeah and it's one that you don't really think about when you're just watching the movie 'cause the movie you get the sense that okay can pretty much go home whenever you want and see your family. And but the case exactly then a. They didn't show much of of my apartment. You know what. I mean just hanging around the apartment. So yeah you're right. I mean you know. Now that you think about it is very good observation. I have to ask about the lion. The movies shows it as a gift from sonny black lefty because he likes animals and then after that there's a scene left dining grab like those like forty or fifty hamburgers and feed it through the car window and later we see in the parking lot. Was that real actually dan. We did have a line. Really what happened was is that we got it as a cub and these guys thought that was cute. They forgot the cubs. Grow up to be lions in and we kept it in in the club and Dennis started to give bic I mean bennett became you know kinda naturally because it was a it was a lion so what we did Sonny black's cousin had a warehouse. That was vacant. So we put the lion in the warehouse then we go every day and throw it stakes in on and then it got to be. You know this is crazy where we don't there's lying you know because the number one the line was one hundred dollars a who's going in there to clean up the john you know so what we did was a cold wrangler animal wrangler and he says i don't want the lion. Tell me what you want me to do with it. But i'm not an this made. The this made the new york papers. They said well get it taken to the park and changed to a tree in the park in accents right in a line and once you do that will call the local precinct and tell him. Hey is a london. Jane did a tree while the desk sergeant. A daughter was. Bs you know a thought it was just some guy call in hallucinate. So what the hell are. We gonna do this just lying. Change change to a trait in the park so they got this couple from the neighborhood and they gave him a couple of hundred bucks they said. Hey look you go to the precinct walk in a park and there's alliance changed the tree at this location. So they finally believed it and it made it made the it was both the host and news from page lion found chained to a tree in it says it says a park but we did have a lion for for about six or eight months. Yeah it's it's amazing that these guys are so sharp with a criminal activities right but as far as like what we don't think ca- cubs going to grow up to be a lion. Where would you think. It was a midget. Then joe tell the story about lefty at milwaukee and the thing. I don't want to give it away but geography. He wasn't too good at geography to shorten his story. The fbi had an undercover operation. Going in milwaukee. So i- engineered to get the bonano's to come out the milwaukee to a former marriage with the milwaukee mafia family so many other undercover agent. We're in a car and were right in. Your undercover agent is showing us around the city and were down along the lake. He says the me a lefty. No that's that's one of the great lakes left the looks at him. He said that's not the lake. What is it is it is the ocean said no left. That's the lake. He said donnie. No sometimes you stupid. I says well yeah so you know on the on the great lakes these big freighters you know he says you see that big out there. I said yeah. He said you'd think that ship can sail in the lake being big the ocean. I said yeah left. You're right that's the at some point. Just give up. All right do argue. You're go up in the middle of the country. Oh a surprising thing to me. In knowing joe as well as i do over all these years was that he didn't figure out a way to kill lefty many times you have a lot of patients there. it was a tough guy to deal with. Man he was he was tough. It was but it was my hill. He was my rabbi man. It was my rabbis the mob. And you know there's there's a funny thing that a lot of these mob guys they know the history of the mob He was. He was an encyclopedia. Leo encyclopedia say yep. Yep you know as you're supposed to know your business i mean. I went in and pitch the movie once a two young executives at paramount. And at the end of my pitch. I said really. This is a modern day on the waterfront. Now wait a minute. You don't have to know all the movies but you have on the water find for me. It was blank stares. And i realized they did now. They're not into history of of your business anymore. You know yeah. It's a different thing leo. What's one of your favorite stories that you've learned since starting the podcast diving in deeper to all that really that joe does not suffer fools. I've learned this. Joe does not like people that just to show their power position break balls and try to keep you under their thumb okay and that led to joe quitting the fbi and we get into that in the second season but Yeah the jealousy. I you know from outside or looking in. There was a lot of jealousy towards joe because You know they thought that he was just. I don't know what was garden party. The he put his life on the every night. If you go out you don't know the you know But that's that's probably the biggest. Yeah going back to the movie. There were a few times where we see you. Joe almost getting caught. There's the time at the japanese restaurants where dining refuses to take off his boots. We find out later. There's a tape recorder in there. There's another scene where dining gets recognized as joe pistone by. Us attorney named in in the airport. And so we see. Donnie has to punch out to not blow cover. Any of those close calls actually happened at a did was a former a. Us at worked. With the not. I was in the airport. Which sonny black and now we were going the opposite way. We're gonna cross his colon. I haven't seen him in a long time. And the shut up you know. I walked up dome and give them a crack in the sunny. Says why'd you do that. And i said sunny. The guy was going from my. Would you want to do many to think fast. In order to come up with you know kids. Play a lot of money for improv. Class taught us a whole bigotry. leo what's what's a true story that you've learned through the podcast. It really stood out to you as being something that was different from the way that the movie shows something happening. you know. it's there's just your with guys. That and i always knew there was danger. Okay we say danger but they what's the line. It's always a friend that does the deed so these guys you're getting close to the if you've got somebody's nose out of joint. If there was some suspicion some slip up. I mean it's all those meetings you go too late at night. In warehouses you could get popped at any one of those and joe. Nobody could tell him that. All everything is just sealed and knowledge that it's not that way a real life and there was just many times. I said you really. Why would you go. Because i had to go but joe you know. That guy didn't like you had to go and you know. Thank god that that it always you know. He survived it all. I want to ask about the family side of things. We talked a little bit about. You know how the movie at through a lot of that in and it didn't really happen but after the operation was over and you've got a chance to reconnect with your family more. How how did that affect them and knowing these dangers that he didn't know how lonely but they didn't know all all the dangers and all that and i don't know if you listening to podcast now maybe they're hearing some details about things that they didn't know how. How did that operation affect your family. Well you know. The only thing i can say. Dan is at the thankfully. You know mike is turned out great. Nobody has ever showed. Resentment is what i'm saying in. And i think the reason being is that they they know the reason. Why did it. They know it wasn't. Because i want to get away from the you know guys go into undercover. Because they want to get away from their families or they want to get away from their their supervisors. That wasn't the reason i did. I did because to me. That was a good way of conducting the investigation. So they knew that i had good intentions. Enormou- under goes i was the first undercover operation. I add you know and What the effects is the say is. They all turned out to be good. Good kids and i think that that's a testament to their mother in Regime and that they knew the real reason why you know why i did. My undercover work and also wants. The people meet maggie joe's wife. She's tougher than he is sick. Yeah well that's good. That's good good to to know because that is something that you know. The movie puts a lot of emphasis on the family side. And the strain in the marriage. And you'll asking for divorce and and with the kids and so it's good to hear that that part is not true. Yeah like. I say we'd never went those i you know. Did we have beefed on the telephone. You know 'cause most of my contact was on the phone and you know for instance You're fifteen hundred miles away and it's like the law don't work who gives a s. He get along man or one time. The dishwashers broken will call a maytag guy. He's not doing anything you see him sitting there all day. That didn't go over too good. That called for a hang up. A joke can be as servic where he chooses. He's got a whole treasure trove of one liners. You know it's all good all turned out. Good knock on wood. Thank god you now. Thank god i we talk about this a very briefly but i want to ask about probably the most violent scene in the movie when we see sonny black and his guys ambush sonny red and his guys in the basement of the house. How accurate was that scene in the movie. Those guys did get clipped but It was actually in a restaurant. It was a set up Where they thought they were going to sit down. The iron out iron out differences in the family was pretty gruesome. I mean they you know. They opened up on a free good. Sounds kind of like what. You're saying. Leo where you go to a meeting and you never know when that might be the in. I mean joe probably went to hundreds of meetings over the six years you know that could have turned ugly man and you just don't know i mean now one thing that people did know they knew. Leave bananas that were you know. Joe is in that crew. They knew that their time on this earth was limited because a brought him in. Tony mira left era jarrell. Sonny black follow town. Oh now you know. Lefty made it through because he was going to a meeting where he was going to be whacked but sonny black new. Well let me ask joe joe. Do you believe he knew. Definitely he was gonna get clipped when he went to that meeting. Oh definitely yeah yeah okay. You don't get called meeting and leave all your money your keys except your car keys your ring. You know oil possessions with the bartender in he says it a bartender I just got called a sit down on. Probably not coming back colon asian. Give him the judy So he knew he was gonna get clipped. That's a real gangster. That's a real gangster man. The if i'm correct joe. Nobody in that whole crew flipped no not door net operation. I mean they flip ten years later. Maybe you know all cam fifteen years later but none of our guys. None of the guys that we arrested at that particular time flipped. Guys bonano's flipped. Maybe fifteen twenty years later. I mean they were. They were tough every one of them. They were tough the way the movie shows the whole operation ending. There's the contract. Lefty and donnie are given to whack sonny red son bruno. And then lefty says it'll make danica made guy they track him to a boat just before they attacked. The fbi shows up and rests. Everyone and as i was watching. Now i like i'm in timing is seem like you know hollywood's perfect timing was hollywood. Perfect how did it really come to an end. Well what happened was that there was a obviously a riff was in the banana family for power. The guys i was with sonny black in the other guys were the ones that took out three captains that were that were trying to take over the family. There was before guys. They're only three showed up. And then i get the contract to kill. The guy didn't show so not as a war going on within the family so basically a figure. Well you know now. It's time that shut the operation down. Because now it's a shooting war so we just close the operation down. And then i start going to grand juries etcetera etcetera and That's when i start whacking guys. That's when they start whacking mirror. And then sonny black magilla greco agility julia colombo guy got wack. I likely left. He was on his way to the club. A wired at the that they're gonna whack him when he gets there and the fbi grabbed mulberry street. You know what i never asked you. Joe when you know the contract was on brunner was given to you. If that was another coppell that you know was supposed to be there. Didn't show up. He if he said guys look up coming over would they have let that go. As opposed to knowing bruno's father was clipped in that hit at he would never own have given him a pass it all. He had never. Yeah no because remember he was in on the glenn t hit. He was shooting right. Yeah so carmine. Glenn t hit so no. They would never have given him a pass. It seems like we talked earlier. There's a lot of improv. You do that. What sort of ideas are like kind of racing through your head. You talk yourself out of some of these situations like when you get that contract. Is that something like okay right away. You know that you have to end this operation. That's been going on for so long. No you get the contract Say okay and you go. Look for the guy i get in touch with my contact agent and tell them look. This is the story. I got the contract to kill bruno. Deal was a final accord. Fbi in upcoming snatch him and we'll stage hit or if they find him. I goes are out looking for him to do the same thing. We'll stage your head and then say you know that that iraq. Obviously i'm not gonna go whack him. You know well right. That's why i'm an that was kind of my my point. Is you gotta have mind racing. Okay okay how. How do i have to make this. Look but you know. Let let me say this. The if if it came to a situation between me and him it was gonna be him. Because what these guys when you're giving a contract that responsibility At the guy killed. So if you're a mob guy you don't negotiate and i can't you know. I can't say in undercover fbi agent. Because they put me on the spot. Because they say you. You've been doing this. You know that going on six years and years This year your fbi agent so you you know you have to you have to play along with it and So i went out looking firm. I went to miami looked for was thirty was But if if it came down the situation was mayor him. It was going to be hit. Because i'm not nine for a gangster. You mentioned where saying you're not gonna come out and say that you're an fbi agent but that leads me into my next question because at the very end of the movie we see that scene with lefty leaving all his things but then fbi agents. Show up to show. Photos of donnie brasco to sonny black and even then they still don't believe that you are an agent. They think that this is a trick. Did they still not believe after. They were told. No they did. They thought that the fbi had kidnapped kidnapping and was trying to flip me and their their way at telling them that. You know you guys should flip the but yet they didn't they didn't believe it until the actually until some indictments came out. And then of course you know on indictments It mentions undercover agent. So well i think in my business. Now it's joe's business to The movie business. Joe would've heard because the guy still believed that he was not the fbi agent it said and the academy award for best actor pets throwed a. That's funny at the very end of the movie. There's some texts that talks about those indictments says that you collected evidence that led to over two hundred minutes over one hundred convictions and there was also a five hundred thousand contract. That was wrong. And i. I i saw. That was when i started movie. I mean nobody ever. Nobody ever asked me about that. You know about those credits and we actually convicted two hundred thirty five people somebody convictions. We add over all the trials. And i was like we're to help get those numbers from Nobody ever asked me how many how many convictions. We had seems like a simple thing to to fix in a movie to. it's just text. Yeah while you know they know more than you do. I guess that's their reason. Joe didn't your picture appear in the post are Was it the daily news early on when like when all of a sudden this thing broke and you come out from deep cover. I thought it was a picture of union newspaper. Was it wrong okay. Yeah because that's gotta be sacred material man you know you can't put your kisser in the newspaper. Well after it was over what was what was it like like. Did you feel relief that it was over. I mean you've been doing that for years. Was like once it was actually over. That was the first operation that i didn't want it to end at that time. Only because i have been proposed for membership in the family. I was due to get inducted into the bananas in december and With this war going on and everything in the fbi didn't didn't wanna wait. So we closed down that the july twenty seven but my thing was you know why. Close it down. You know i mean. Can you imagine embarrassment when it goes out. The inducted undercover fbi agent into a mafia family. I mean because you know out up until that point everybody thought. The mafia was on touchable which they've basically they. Were you know but there was no downtime. Because once the operation will i go to. Dc for debriefing. And then i have to go to the southern district of new york eastern district of your miami tampa milwaukee. I have to go to those Districts that sit down with the attorneys that prosecuted the different cases. Go to grand juries. You know there. There was no going to the islands. In relaxing and then once oily indictments came out. Then you start preparing for court so that operation was six year operation. And i think i testified for a little over six years. That's it so. I don't know if i should say this show but we are doing the comedy. Version of donnie brasco movie. At the end with joe he goes to disneyland. Present me with a corvette. Is there anything that didn't make into the movie that you wish had. I would have liked to have seen more of how i engineered. You know. I don't know how much you know about the mafia a damn but the mafia has Throughout the united states each family has their own territory where they can conduct their business. One family can't going to another families territory. And i wish there was more of showing how i was able to form a marriage between bonano's and the walkie family to do business and the banana house and set traffic canyon florida to do business. That was touched on lightly. And what happened in milwaukee as far as that operation getting blown. I wish that would have been shown more because there were some would have been some good dangerous scenes festa correct word The three sit downs that they had over me with this gangster. Tony mirra where he claimed. I stole money from the family if you get convicted at your debt you know because that's one of the things that will get you killed still money in the family you know. Luckily sonny black was my lawyer. You know what. I mean at the sit downs. A representing me and he won all three sit downs but if he loses. I'm dead Nowhere to get out of it. You know just pretty much like a trial. It sounds like that's basically what it is you know. They bring dirt sides in life. Just like bala dishes right when they're having hearings at So they bring their side in a lie. And then i mean was honest because i didn't still money but normally it's a they bring their witnesses in a lie. The other side briggs Witnesses in lie and mediator and he decides you know which side wins you know and sonny bloch was was a stronger advocate for me and it was all the truth you know. I had another liars. I never stole know one time. It was two hundred fifty thousand. And then i don't know what it was another time. You know because meriden like me. We got into a beef and he wanted to get rid of me and that was the best way to get rid of me so it sounds like that would be an way to to to get rid of somebody. If you don't want you just pin this on them and not just yeah just whack them after joe Really in the of crime. The mafia organized crime what. He did how he used. The word joe engineer he engineered himself into dealing with two koppel's to capos due to heads of families. Frank sterry in milwaukee and santo trauma in miami. He shook has with the dell with them. It's unheard of he was. He wasn't a made guy. Although sonny bloch did a couple of times did introduce you as a friend of ours. Yeah but i mean that is unheard of that he. Anybody could get that close even if he wasn't undercover because he wasn't a made guy. Unbelievable is very rare to sit down with a boss. You know if you're not in his inner circle with that be seen as suspicious that you're able to get that close suspicious to home by who i'm just thinking you know if if it's if that's so rare and other members of either family or are noticing that you're trying to get close to the boss if that starts to raise some warning flags or anything well if you don't do it right yeah. We had a proposition form. I was able to convinced bananas that the proposition was Would be beneficial to us. But you know. I always had conversations where i always left it up to them. You know. look it's not my decision if you wanna if you wanna trust so-and-so at your decision well thank you guys so much for coming on a chat about donnie brasco. I know we've mentioned a few times. You do have your own podcast. That dives into more detail ever could Here on a single episode here but for someone that's listening to this and wants to get more information. Can you give an overview of your show and where they can find it. Yeah it's a deep cover. The real donnie. Brasco and jam street media spotify. Or wherever you listen to your podcast. I don't think you'll be disappointed. joan. I get down and It's I i have a good time. And the the res results from the different viewers and and their comments Has been thumbs up so we continue to continue. Thank you again so much for your time guys. That data brisket see dan This episode of based on a true story was produced by me down the fed and me. Mackenzie davis i'd like to joe. Pistone and leo rossi. Once again for taking the time to help us separate fact from fiction in nineteen ninety. Seven's donnie brasco. If you wanna learn even more about the true story of course. 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Joe did not visit his family as frequently as we see in the movie that is true. Even though the movie depicts. Johnny depp's donnie brasco. Driving his family's house throughout the operation the truth is that joe's family was some fifteen hundred miles away so he didn't get to visit them all the time like we see in the movie that brings us to number two. Joe's undercover work resulted in one hundred convictions. Just like the movie shows that is. That's the life as we learned. The film makers didn't actually consult joe on the tax that we see at the end of the movie and the truth is joe's work led to two hundred and thirty five convictions. That means numbers. Free is also true. 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"Lolo focus. I'm doing in Newport cost now and as I said before when I did a pulled cost I wasn't I didn't know about Lord. Jesus Christ and I didn't know him and I need to put a cost and there was a guy listening in and Kim by me I had I think I've said something because my father was something in in in the podcast thank reactive for some reason and then he came by my house and I think talked to my father also. I don't know I got the feeling he kind of had exposed me to my father. What I'd said because you know the entered my house look around he? He doubt totally as he will S._e.. Authority over me and this is a young guy he was like below thirty at the time you know blow twenty five at the time so and treating older people like they crap you know because they all they think think so great because a young and I know if you come come across these people who are like the ninety the ninety generation they they're totally into you know the different AH psychologically I met some of these people and they're they're the enemy you know. They're your enemy. You shouldn't talk to them because some of they believe there so great you know and some of them believe that you're homosexual early if you talk to them because they men and so this is what I mean what some people it's enough that you like. I remember this guy. When I was another place? He was half naked and he will stand. He was standing in the doorway so you know I didn't put myself in front of him. He put himself in front of me but still because I was in front of him. He was blocking the way you know a somehow. It must be you know. He didn't realize that you know he was he was the one doing did they don't realize that and this is the sociopathic drug addict mentality that any they abuse whatever in front of them you know and they think that everything that is in front of them kind of is yes. <hes> is causing the problem whatever problem they have so <hes> this is the abusive sociopathic drug addict mentality in our every one of these drug addicts while not everyone I know our drug addicts but but they have there are two people who have not been drug addicts who have been like this the rest have been drug addicts and these two have have had at drugged been taking drugs so it doesn't you don't necessarily not drug addicts but they are drug-takers where they into drugs you know some of that can stop taking drugs you know and live totally without out drugs but but that's there that's their seen preference is drugs and they have this. I'm not saying that everyone takes drugs. It's like this. I don't think so I I think there are people who take drugs who who are totally the different but you know the aggressively contact-seeking people talking about here so what bothered me about this guy. He told me that he had met a woman and she had been telling him a lot of stuff and then she he noticed that if if certain person find out about what she had told him she would get in trouble and so she forced her to have sex with him and you know okay. People are like like that giving. Some people aren't my business really. It's not on my business if they do this. I'm not here to to destroy your seniors or or to find out everything but it bothered me was that he himself had active similar to me. He came to me. I'd been been listening to my code cost and he came to me talked about that. He had done most of moisture work on death and he was into talked about homosexuality and and then he he mentioned you know things in tried basically to find like an extortionist. You know to find thinks that you know that you've sad or you know and to destroy you by you. Know either wanted sex so I guess if I wasn't would have been a woman he would have demanded sex or something from me. I don't know maybe did that to to this other women. I have no idea you know about that but one woman he did that to you know that that's what he told words and so what bothered me what so what not so much you know. I didn't realize this because it was done you know. Are you know the guard when you came by my house are never seen him before and and he had had this attitude that because he's younger is somehow they can have these younger so basically everyone else's is it's a feels the person but I'm not because I'm younger and the young person they have this young generation pride youth culture and this guy claimed to be born again he claimed to be saved to the after most which is <hes> after it's mentioned in the Bible in the Hebrews and maybe you save to the utmost you know and the someone who is saved is saved to that most I you can't be partly saved. So you know what bothered me was that once I noticed what he had done that women I realize his what he had been thinking what he had been. You know what was behind his action towards me and I've been kind towards him because I expect people to be kind of out back then. I wasn't expecting anything bad coming my way especially. Not People searching me out. I thought because that's how I am I don't such people to destroy them more to hurt the more to to a to extort them or because that's the way I am so I came on the Internet expecting to find friends. Are we supposed before I was saved. I didn't know about know about how bad things really are with people. How will they are so I learned that way but this man was very serious about that was not allowed to talk about him and he said things like you? You know things that are have not been put on the Internet. You're not allowed to put that on the Internet and there are focusing rules. You're not allowed to especially to put out stuff on the Internet input aw but in these folks in rules had to be personal identifiable information like a picture or the name address all these kinds of things were identified individual you fight talk like this in general and you know it's not traceable to to the person then it's not duxing no not giving out the names. I'm not you know making a case of trying to expose exposing individual or something and this is a guy who claims he's been listening to my stuff for ten years so it's not just someone who he claimed to be a long-term listener you know and you know he seemed to listen to my stuff. You know so but I'm not allowed to talk to him and then he's loud too and people houses and all this doesn't really matter you know I don't have many listeners on this podcast and he might aware we're listen to this and you know since I know he's been listening before. Why don't I make cost like this because most don't many people listening to his poor caused some people just need to hear but the victims think about their activity you know kind of to listen to the victim see what he thinks but behavior you know and as I said he acted as if he was my handler I'm forty seven years and this guy and he was acting as if it was my hand or something telling me what I could do in couldn't do and it wasn't like you know <hes> giving detail? I was just supposed to know so he's acting as if it a lot can extortionate would do some nasty guy rapist or whatever they they don't. They just intimidate people. That's what I did. He was intimidating and that kind of bothers me. When someone who who who is a long-term listener who is quantum me entered my home looked around talked? My father and I know has done you know been doing rape extortion before to other people and then he started acting as if he's my hander or have basic acid side so me as if owes something that bothers me so what I do when these people do this stuff is i. I talk about it so I set up this podcast paid Volkov's and I can say what I want that was pulled costing before he's man. He tried to make me feel guilty about my daughter also so it was basically just trying to insinuate evil into me and what been why he did all kinds of stuff even to me we know so just an you know the behavior you know the behavior and drugs drugs drugs you know any throw a break through his mother's window breakthroughs mothers but now no through breakthrough mother swindle you know I I understand who you can feel about that because you get angry and you just do something you know. Look upon yourself as little son you know and you but from Melito Perspective <hes> this is seen as a intimidation method because the mother will think a better be nice to him now always GonNa destroy another window you know but the mother they didn't allow the mother contact authorities with this and you know some people aren't stopped any other way. Some people won't stop intimidating others any other way then if they if authority comes to the door and I'm not intimidating anymore. I'm not going to expose anyone. I just want people. I know you know there are many people listening to what I do but there are few and this guy has been you know listening to me and <hes> you know it's okay if you listen to me your good intentions but but if you listen to me an evil intent so this guy he started to grow I was growing my hair back then I didn't name called metric and and I grow my hair and then he grew his hair then I went to Asia then he went to share you know so somehow he's got some. There's something going on there between him and me supposedly but he's not nice in the sense that he he is <hes> he's acting as if he he's running all the you know. It's not that just a some of it. Will that what happened. You know I didn't have evil intended. It started with icon. He contacted me. There's also the point this this is the worst discovered the the most evil men out there. You don't just happen to stumble on them now. They search you out because you know that's that's my experience. I ever life experience days and that's what this mandate. He searched me out. I didn't give my address or something but he founded and Kim by my house entered my house. When I was away I never seen before and but even then you know he was not trying to be nice you know and <hes> you know you know Oh this pattern this behavior pattern of extortion tendencies you know that I've actually found in other drunkards as well in southern drunkards? You know I knew drunkard when he found out something about you know. You said it would be war if I didn't spend time if I didn't allow myself to be abused by him because he knew something about me and this was drunker and it was you're not going to go into detail to show exactly who it is but there was someone you and I didn't understand all this back then because he's not really written down somewhere I haven't read books on this but I guess there probably our books on on drunkard extortion or on but so now recently just a few weeks ago or a month ago another drunk could context me from church and you know he starts talking to me and I talked to him. I driving home zone. I talked to ask questions about things I tried to help him. You know and teach him so on which I was due and this is what this Sereno Drug Addi drug through the house he said the reason I shouldn't try to teach people he said and that might be true because the Bible does warn against those who are monsters are going to have the greater condemnation or something but I think it's just so mean <hes> try to use that that you try to teach them. This is so sociopathic sociopath and I've seen this with drunkards. You know what you say. They will try to use against you. I think they think they're so great or something. I don't know but they are forcing. They are forcing themselves on you. You know I this. Why do I bring this up now? What I said it happened again to me and this time it was more subtle? It wasn't really I'm not so sure. This guy is a dangerous cry but you know the behavior was just that the behavior will he didn't know me to stem extent but I yeah I noticed the behavior of coming to the person asking Lotto question and you help the person tried to help an in the end when when you think to vomit you realize this guy came to you initially because he feels he has something on you know something about you that can <hes> and then he wants you to support him. I know this about you so now you better support me or else that kind of attitude that kind of extortion attitude but they don't say that generally they very the most subtle of often in their communication because they realized as you know if I said that he will just leave or something but sometimes they can will be more straight about it depends. I guess you know how how well they know you. You know I think but it bothers me because I think there were bad it. You know all bad and evil. I believe this guy that I you know I don't know. I don't think he saved this loss guy that this loss drunker that I came in contact with and they say this this also I noticed I talked to the he's a brother that he's a drunkard in. I don't think he saved but in could be but I don't believe so but maybe he is <hes> but whatever this other guy who came by my house he's utterly nasty saves. He's he's he saved into the optimal but maybe he is now because I really don't believe that that I don't know if I should say nasty but his he's a dozen something intimidating about his bay behavior that <hes> but that was not really the point to point was that he's a drunkard and the Bible says I shouldn't associate with him and when I stopped associated with this guy you know it improved my life and that's the case with his drunkards. They want brow. They won't contact with you. They want fellowship and why you giving them fellowship. They somehow believe that seemed to seem to basically you notice that they never sociopathic thing about the in the social behavior how they have they relate to people who've run to them. You know one of these drunkard. He said to woman who was working with Oh she doesn't want me because of my body you know or something and he says this openly and I remember he went. I noticed he touched her on the on the Batas well. This is no late. I don't know think he knows or that. Will you know oh so it goes around with women and do all kinds of stuff and you know initially I think they you know as the way he is but when he starts to say things in public like this against them. That probably isn't true you know. I don't think that she's she's probably just trying to. I don't think necessarily that we've been off to sex with him. You know whatever I don't know. I think basically we sometimes now. He might be told off because what he's doing. This behavior is just not appropriate with people he does. You know enough public area. He can be like that if you've got a wife in his home or something but just not appropriate and this guy he did want me to to somehow speak for him but <hes> in the chart now. I don't believe that salvation is in church so instead I left the church but ever had very nice experience drunk and just I just want it's multiple but we have this one drunkard whom who I'm not allowed to talk to them. Talk about talk about because I'm tired of the intimidation the nation threats under you know and another drunkard as I said this is not yet single. Uh One single person I had multiple expensive with these drunkards. Who Have you know utterly Don Evil to my life and you know I can't really get get away from some of them? Some drunken S- you can't get away from because depending on things you know but initially I wasn't so I I learned to how to handle these other drunk. Could you know I go to security camera on my house now and I don't let the main and I talk to me to talk to me in front of Security Camera. You know so you basically sports things that were. That's how you deal with stalkers. No I want nothing to do my friends even the Bible tells me to not have anything to do with the drunk that is saved to the outermost and that's interesting because because people say they don't mean saved born again drunkard because say born again Christian that drinks he's not a drunkard. They say he's a Christian the drinks so referring to save people. That's what allowed by Kenyans Bible when you read that Iman Cranston five the three lows lost versus there it says a brother rather that is cool or a drunk that is called a brother and that that omits the possibility that is about whether you're born again or not because it saved Christian is called the brother you know so and Save Christians can be drunkards drunker. It's not defined by whether you saved or not. It's <hes> but they using this basic rates in. It's in the book revelation. It says you know a lot of people are caused into the lake of fire. Unbelievers unbelievers is mentioned and the real true theories that if you are born again Christian than your since I've been paid for so you won't go to defy so you're no longer a murderer were the-for coward because you been saved. You're not a number lever so but some people were will interpret this verse in Revelation Twenty or so that everyone liars liars is mentioned so has anyone who has never lied you know so you're not say by no trying to follow the Lord you say by grace through faith in Christ and it's what he did on the cross that save you if you're a saved Christian because some people but Jesus Jesus died on the cross will be perceived as foolishness but that's because they lost but for other people across will be perceived as <hes> the powerful God because it saved them and that you know it all happens happens by fate so to one person the same thing when he reads the word of God it the same words we're just be foolishness to him and too but another person it will be the power God obtuse ovation never lost so the Bible is that to save assorted Lupo people he's cheap and they will hear his voice to them. The water God will be quicken. I have that explanation to wire. Ardian could save you know when I was in two thousand nine ten or so nine. Maybe I came in contact with I started to name the name of Lord Jesus Christ and I had a king is by blood home but I didn't get saved because I didn't read it because I listen to man called awarded cutting through the Matrix Dot com are and he will say that them can gain force an almost sexual and all this kind of stuff in the Bible was just you know it was made by man was not by God. I didn't read it. I didn't realize and that's my space x nationwide. Never got saved now. Eventually did say even then I didn't have opinions Bravo and about eight months later I need discover the Kings Bible and then took off for me then I because I was on psychiatric medication and that medication I get from a doctor here in Sweden because I had of working contact with doctors I get it from <hes> an online shop in the U._k.. and was very sheep than I didn't have any problems with these you know dyke people have get medication from the local doctor they get all sorts of trouble people coming to their home claiming do things and writing reports try to try to be able to persecute them and put them in jail for ten years pump them with with drugs and the insulin shocks and whatever so I would never advise anyone to have anything to do we argue and then I had this drug at it who contacted me eventually got angry at that that was he said I was a railing against drunkards. Whatever he contact me then he wanted me drugged with the very drugs he took himself south you know because I was not satisfied with drunkards? I was speaking against drunk. I was speaking against his alcohol bottle so he he wanted me drugged with his drugs at this is a scary truth about this drug addicts nor do they take drugs but these spread drugs. I think probably the best friend over the drug. Mafia are the drug addicts. We're kind of you know it was spread it naturally because they believe that that if someone is not happy with them Oh he needs some drugs because he doesn't like me. You know that's serve. That's their logic so <hes> I'm doing this folks listen to the Englishman and he told me this at the only rea- preaching is personal preaching I I don't know if used the word personal but basically directed I did too if you just preaching to the air talking to microphone like when you preach when you see preacher on Youtube they are generally preaching on a specific topic Oh pick and telling a lot of people but the Englishman just knew she said basically the only preaching represents personal preaching and what does means that you talk about people that listen to your stuff stuff they listen to you and you talk about them. You know that can bow the people but that's the real that the only real preaching and maybe it shouldn't be done in public. Maybe it should be done more on a between four is but when people use this youth what I say eight to try to join me extortion methods and and come by my house and into my house and talk to my father and such out my address and stuff and then say and there's never signed a regret in them off and then say treat me if I have to do what they say and I'm not allowed to speak about them you know and then I found out they do all sorts of stuff to other people to you know but but you're and you're not allowed to speak about me because because I say so and I'm a young guy in the young generation that rules and and the cool because the listen to rock and roll you better fear me because I'm a bad guy okay fine. I leave this kind of people I just apart from depart from evil you know at the Baba teaches but when they enter your house they listen to uphold cost to try to find things about you that they can use against you and go on for ten years. You know there's there's a time when you realize you can't just do what they say doing what they say is not going to benefit you because they're not you know these drunkards and drug addicts they are not leaving right and you shouldn't don't take advice from people who don't live right. We have the bishop in the Bible. He's not to be given too much wine. It says the Bishop is kind of an adviser. He supposed to know people. Table trusted advice and so on and so we don't have to take advice from these drunkards you know but when they come to intimidate you wanNA rule you. Maybe that's why they want to intimidate rule you because nobody listens to what they say so since some of these nego oh hi can use extortion methods so they listen in and try to find out things I'm GONNA do. I'm going to search out this man and I'm going to do something to because now I know stuff and at least I'm kind of power again or people so whatever I do this podcast you know I'm GonNa continue with it for as long as I leave. I think yeah and you know that's. I'M NOT GONNA make it. Someone else's problem. I'm not giving out names are just have the right to talk about it. I think I think I have the right to not be silenced. You know don't be intimidated into silence and then told what to talk about because this guy also told me what I should talk about the not talk about and then he wanted to get paid after having Talmadge told me what I should talk talk about the no talk about you want to send him money which drug I'd soften one because they have financial problems because they take drugs. You know it's expensive a lot of taxes on alcohol today on tobacco and probably on marinas while I don't know really now. I guess it's not taxes but I don't know really anyway so you know they have a very cash over these drug addicts and the system I noticed wonder eighty or bond drunkard is I don't think he's a drug addict scarred but he's a drunkard and was supposed to say that with two drunkards. They've tried to to discuss try to discuss with them about this Jesus Christ. How does it work together with Jesus Christ to to drink a lot of our calls on and both of them said it helps one guy said Jesus says gets alcohol too you know so he's happy and another guy said <hes> that it actually helps to drink for Jesus you know and the first guy he said <hes> who said Jesus gets alcohol to what did you say more <hes> on our forgotten it but he said basic like echo was the glue that kept it all together the glue that kept it all together and I want to reference that because as when you're on the on the bottom of the ladder in society which people are who are on seek pensions and you know that their doctors who just are you know actually evil forcing their real down their throat <hes> you know destroying their inner organs with with their chemicals and if you complain you get an uneven worst trouble no so you can be subject to these demons as you know when you on the lower and the ladder what I've noticed with one drag addict who believed the Lord Jesus Christ he <hes> he was not a drunker anchor but drug Aditya he said that basically is mind had been turned into pieces? Never pieces like broken you know like a broken mirror and that's what can happen when you basically forced to to <hes> to be nice to turn the other cheek to people who who heart you who are too. That's what they do. They hurt people. They put chemicals in in them that they know destroyed their bodies and I thought that these these psychotic people that they somehow that they had some kind of you know <hes> psychopaths or something that there was something about their brain and I thought that and also about pedal FIS. I thought they were there. was something very dreadful about at them now. I I'm GonNa talk about <hes>. These people who who are psychotic people thank psycho psychosis seem play <hes> saying to yourself. I ever had to do because others do it. So some psychotic people could be seen as sociopaths basically people who who do do bad things in society in they have no <hes> remorse zone but they aren't psychopaths the does sociopaths you know and sociopaths aren't that dangerous because it's a it's a acquired personality. It's not they're not born psychopath so the there is someone in their deep in there who who was normal once upon a time and they offer they can use drugs to handle their reality you know <hes> because they're you know you know so and so they sociopaths around and what I've discovered this what discovered is that people who have who are working in society who are surviving in society because a lot of people who work inside psychotic from the definition of doctors but they're not they would never be stamped as I go to work but these people who work in society and have this drunker and drug addict personalities they actually nasty they can be totally say thanks very much more daring in their behavior towards others. What would you find with this on seek? Passion is that you have more turned around personality more denying themselves. That's success as disciples of low Jesus Christ deny yourself take up your cross for me is much more common in more of sheep sheep nature that sometimes have been forced on them. They are not necessarily saved. Mom Say I'm not saying they're save necessary but they've been forced to to create a kind of personality that says yes and it's nice all the time and some people have sorted this out by the lie they say yes. Yes yes yes to whatever the person says and then they walk away and they don't even remember what was the person said but they got out of the mess that way you know by by saying yes you know to everything that he said and walk away when he walks away and they they never shake up on it because you know they just got angry and wanted to to get this person to say yes in their face and then you know because a lot of this dog these evil people who deal with people pension they actually cruel wicked monsters and so the smartest thing can be for at least seem small things to say yes yes yes walkway or not walkaway actually just sit there until they tell you to go away. The new undefended anyone on the person believes that you listen to the you haven't just say yes anyway going. I was talking about this glue. Bond perceived that that was a blue that kept it all together and the wages of his death and drunkenness is <hes> is a sin so there's a way that seems right on demand but they're under they're always the end. They're always destruction but I think that you know when you're on a sick pension <hes> they will they will know people don't understand the kind of pressure that were put on people that have sick patient basically they don't allow to say anything and I you know it's it's an unhealthy sinister is almost like the witch hunt which aren't of over fifteen hundred when they said if you're floating your witch and if you're thinking you're not while both cases you will die. That's the kind of stuff they do against people sick patients sometimes who don't work because you know their boat into society and they don't want to support them but they are kind of legal killed them so they do this. You know that's that's illegal way to force accusation can use in fact the entire psychiatry is false accusation. There's a widow science is not based on truth but of course if they managed to to get people to break the law they have the legal rights to destroy the or at least two things to them you know and that's why they tried to get it too so they have agent provocateurs and so on and they falsely accused and frame people as on forgetting frame this quite <hes> d._c.. If you don't know you're getting free you don't understand what they're doing and you don't know this legal stuff quite east to get framed if they decide if they are multiple people going together to frame you and people say why distant happened to me what if you're a burden to society and you do something that you shouldn't they might utterly try to to to kill you legally and they wanna do legally so they need to frame you and I've seen what they do people and I've heard what they do. The people and there's no limit to the cruelty no-limit whatsoever and they get good salaries for it so that's that's that world and we don't want to get into that will but you know what I realized is when you allow people to intimidate you that like stronger drag who claims to be safe to the utmost who which he may be is is when you allow them to intimidate you you're giving them the power to continue don't ever allow them to intimidate you but at the same time it can be appropriate to dis- fellowship and <hes> to leave behind continue you know but I have very few listeners on this podcast. You know I tried to do personal preaching. I talked to preach to the people who who who listen to this podcast and therefore I do talk you know and if you don't like it don't contact me. Don't listen you know I mean yeah well. Contact me anonymously or whatever yeah I don't give out names as I said before I don't give out names even if you conduct with your real name and give it up because.
Filmcast Ep34 - "Umbra" by Saeed Jafarian
"I don't know why number looked it up and it just said it translated as umbra umbra means umbro something isn't it Yeah i looked farsi translation in. It just didn't work. I think it means it means something. Maybe it's like slang. maybe some like anyway doesn't matter so Would you want to know what that means. Actually here it's a. It's a little in literary terms. It's shadow or darkness are the fully shaded. Inner region of a shadow cast by annot paik object especially the area on the earth or experienced the total phase of an eclipse. Okay didn't do. I didn't do much research clear million. I just looked at up right here. Colleague is super quick and easy over welcome to no budget. Indie film cast where we dip into the independent film universe to highlight those little films. You might have heard about elsewhere. Will you agree with our panel. Panel agree with each other. You got to find out. I am milo denison with me as always are my most excellent co-hosts claire milan in coho fini. Though all right coho wet. Are we watching this week. Okay so this week. We are watching a film called. Ambre was directed by site. Jeff ardian and written by fatima at delhi unsullied deferring. I say that the settlements that it is raining and foreign arraigned film to get past the censors. It can't be seemed to be critical of the regime artist society so it has to use of metaphor and symbolism to vs evaded So for this film. Synopsis is that Few minutes after midnight the young lady realizes that partner has disappeared after that sites so worried. She goes for primary in the darkness of the streets. The streets in this instance the streets of tehran. The first thing you notice is that the Don't know if that's not for toronto this time but it is air to creep Intention eventually she. She meets this guy who she thinks. His apartment is amount to be honest. man he said of set of sense of danger and menace of adam put and she's set of intimidated I but she's forced into having this conversation crooks of the film added Tease at these ideas of freedom and the role of women society liberty in zone for instance On stage he refers to her partner. Has her owner eventually. A continue talking. It's sparks something would her and at the end. She said a face with his choice whether to go back to her. Restrictive relationship are embrace Than ends at a mystery that this man offer so is sort of a leap of faith into the unknown suffused with danger and mystery but as sort of a make magnetic attraction in for He's wanting us say. I really liked the way. It ended Away which is probably maybe more to do with the editing manufacturer combination about. Is that just the way the cameras cut away that the final dairy so i ll leave it open to the floor. Nam people think. Hey my no yes. Claire how most customers to host this podcast. It's free free. Yep one hundred percent. No chuck house that we use inker dot fm well. Anchor is a super easy way to make upon cats for example besides offering free hosting they offer other services such as creation tools that we can use to record the show on a phone or computer and not only. Do they do all that. They automatically distributed on gas. Boris so it can be heard on spotify apple podcast anymore. And there's more more for yes more most podcast. Advertising services require each episode out thousands of downloads for sponsorship now with anchor users can make money from podcasting with no minimum listenership. It's everything needs to make a podcast in one place. It sure is all you need to do. His download the free ankara for go to enter. The fm. Get started yeah. It was interesting. Because i did. The whole film is kind of building. Suspense and it was interesting because when she goes outside. And it's there's the streets are abandoned in the security guard at the front counter. So i was waiting. Because i didn't read the description before the so i was like so the some lake you know. Zombie flick and suddenly zombies. Are going to jump out or you know. I thought it was kind of leading up to some kind of a horror film and they did a good job with two when she first introduced the guy because he like barks or make some kind of a weird creepy noise. That sport gets Scurry away from him So they did a really good job of kind of building up the suspense the film and then actually being like. That's actually what is this. Isn't something like horror flick. This is really just showing ended this woman kind of having this little journey on this on this evening Cinematic thought it was really lovely. Like the lighting in the in the camera work it was just beautiful. Like the whole. The whole time was that was probably more focused on that than anything else. Just from going from each scene in the way it was Really really nicely done I dunno story was interesting for every woman anyway. This is their worst nightmare. Do you know Nice and feel someone behind you Who's drunk saying you're beautiful. That's a women's worst absolutely horrific nightmare and it was interesting. Because i haven't seen many friends moran. But i am really curious to see more than i loved The special he's looking for husbands and there's no one there I have to wear a headscarf so it was interesting. The covered your hair. She was drying her hair. You know so so to onscreen to protect her modesty. That does kind of interesting and then she switched into the headscarf And when she went out then the streets were just completely deserted. Unless you're going into the park. Like only god's i know exactly going to happen now and i was like on edge sticking you know this is going attacked an and then it's very strange Comes across this guy on the grunting is like okay. This is us taught me horror film. So i had read the description. Either zombies urge. something's going to happen And then when she walked away i kinda breathe a sigh of relief and we saw the shadow coming up behind her and it looked like heated weapon at one stage. But it was. It was like a bottle he was drinking and and i love the way was filmed and he just came up like a shadow and and then he was there and and and the actually stood her ground as well as she didn't she what she was frightened and she was and he he told her. Don't run and when when she called jackass. I think the translation. I wouldn't stage. She held her ground against him an interesting then when they came up against this. It looks like i don't know it's very hard to make a museum or was he was talking about. Oh she should be embarrassed something to a high but look like a museum you know so. There wasn't quite sure really large white house like i thought it was like some. Maybe rich person's home or something like that yet didn't really get that either. Like what is he saying there that was particularly that one more signature was your Banned in iran. So a wasn't drinking. I thought it was about the bears of think it was just water. Will maybe maybe. He was illegally drinking in the cleanup. Kind kinda drunk. And i read afterwards. The chose that actor for the look. Look play somebody. Kobe bit dodgy or good nice and then it was kind of interesting towards the end when she looked up and it was like she was going back to a prison it. It was like symbolism in things we fascinating because if this was like normal everyday you're gonna be okay. Woman woman is on her own going to a park talked. That's going to be the film you know but this is kind of fascinating because play with your emotions and an it was. Yeah and at the end. There's no read conclusion so he kind of looks back and the ends clean interesting is well. Because i don't feel afterwards. When they were filming us they They needed to desert threes with some scenes. Ten to twenty times because people in the bathroom to find it very difficult from iran with after what was funny as my are never seen apparently and then after on. Am there's no one on the streets. You know i imagine An iran busy during the day in these look like a city or town. Yeah so it was interesting. Yeah i had that same thought. Claire lake with the streets like it must have been a pain in the ass to film this. 'cause lake as you both know there's always like a car driving past or you know an airplane overhead at the wrong time or somebody like so delayed that was like they must've film this like three in the morning and just you know had the hardest time like getting that that that that You know seen their outdoor scenes with no people around a of the invasive particularly familiar with. Would it be there really them. You don't want you to imagine it to be some sort of activity there But yamanaka hidden reg to snuff. Cedar started playing is two children. Seems like under the it was unexpected. Turns out of the end of the way the way you talked But it did it was it was kind of as i said like a metaphorical for take clearly of women and ron. So we've all seen videos on social media of women complaining debate having to wear the headscarf doing protas videos Price for them. A lot of guys There that that this discounted Reach for freedom than that. The danger that it entails Photograph from nineteen seventy nine them just before the ayatollah khamenei And the next day they were going to bring in the law that had to be covert where where veil on that was a square on. Trunk women protesting narrow until coverage. But it was. It's it's a very fake across on photographs from like iran and afghanistan and the women. They're wearing miniskirts and bikinis. They're very beautiful. Iranian women are beautiful there then they have to like cover up. It's it's so sad to know it's it's so different especially when looking back and seeing them dressed in normal everyday western hills schools. you know. it's interesting when he mentions oil when he points the highest. He said that the husband kim's wife this did he mention. He mentioned something to kill the dog or they were talking about the dog. I thought it was actually he. He he said that their husbands did some killed by security. Guards killed the dog. Yeah okay completely. Your glowed on the on the floor on the on the roads. Yeah it's i wanted to say lake. It's interesting because i i. I interviewed a girl for the podcast. Diary of an unemployed actor available on our podcast players. a girl from iran and she actually was talking about like kinda pre revolution post revolution and how art in iran in a lot of changed in so many ways but one of the things that she said was kind of interesting was in in some ways it changed for the good because it forces artists to be creative about their art in. I think this is a primary example of that too. Where like if the country wasn't so restrictive allow those subtleties in the film. You probably wouldn't be there like you know in in certain western countries where it's just blatant in your face So it was kind of an interesting interesting point that she made like if it weren't for that we probably wouldn't have a film for like film like this. You beautiful about this is like. It's it's if you take the setup an almost annoying trying to get a desert threes but it is very simple put. It's so fast and so powerful and this is in the cans competition and was in toronto. Is success what does me again in the hood us in seattle as well represent my local film festival. Interesting as they never had really up close shots of the actors kind of far away or mid shots but was no like you think would with a film like this have real. Close the eyes or something or do you know what it was. It was an interesting choice. Rate didn't do this. Yeah it was nice. Change your writing writing so Ratings ratings i think as a movie should make you smile. Really ashkelon okay. Well this thing. I'm trying to decide between three or four on this many go. I'm going to go three and a half to. Because i can't decide between the two. Okay us we boko. Trina half into discussion. Why i think it's it's really interesting in place at your emotions very what acted lobbied. Greatest veron am. I gonna give it four stars because it's it didn't absolutely blow me away but it's still affecting some clue some simple storytelling is Yeah four stairs me will. It will give it four stars too. 'cause i picked a account for can't fault it's it was it was. It was just very very kind of leaves. You like Has a resonance Thinking that was really interesting. And it's like a A window into that can world has led questions and doesn't really give any easy answers eight or so i would there. You have it. No budget film cast audience We liked it with Check it out of course will throw the link. It's on video. And we put the lincoln the notes here so that you can watch it if you like as always if you enjoy this show. Please be sure to leave a comment to review. Follow us on instagram facebook or twitter at no budget show share with your friends. Let you know how great we are in with that. We will say stay tuned to see what we were playing next week. See an but.
Show 380 with pianist Orli Shaham
"From NPR. It's from the top celebrating the power of music in the hands of America's in today's guest host pianist or leash uh-huh welcome everybody. Today we come to you from the beautiful state of Maine in the lively picturesque city of Portland. We're being presented ended by Portland ovations. Who brought us here to Merrill Auditorium to share with you the energy and talents of some phenomenal young people? I always love love meeting the from the top performers. They're so inspiring. They're so talented. And into and they're so humbling. They're so dedicated. So so hardworking. Like Han Lee. WHO's powerful? Comeback Story will move you later in the program. She's an exceptional pianist. Who learned to listen to her? Body showed great maturity and patients to be able to continue the music that she loves like Colin from here in Maine who won three different state level competitions and not one of them is actually for music though. He's a brilliant violinist and like the talented Harpist onstage. With me right now. WHO's deeply involved? In studying the genome of seriously you heard right the genome mm-hmm of please welcome this budding. Scientists musician from Yorktown Heights. New York seventeen year old harpist. Leyla Hudson the Layla. Please tell everyone what you're going to play today. They'll be playing the source. Bellefonds Husselmann's okay when you're ready you can take it from the top it The Layla Hudson's seventeen from Yorktown Heights. New York performed less source by Alphonse. Heseltine Leyla that was really stunningly beautiful. And you reminded me how as a very very little girl. I saw harpist once thought. It was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. I really couldn't wait to learn the Harp Morse. I accidentally picked the horizontal one instead of the vertical verdict. But I got close and I love with your playing. There's so many layers in what you do you bring out so many textures and things going on at the same time and true to this pieces name. Less who you really made me feel was underwater. I understand that that's a place. You actually spend a lot out of time underwater. Can you tell us about that. My father is a marine scientist and he introduced me to the field of environmental DNA and through that eventually we discovered the area of ancient DNA. And now I'm discovering a project where I have acquired shells six thousand year old gels. Wow Wow from a shellman which is essentially a pile of used shells from a native American tribe in the area in the Long Island area where I'm researching okay that they've used for eating for currency so now I've acquired those shells and I've worked into the lab up in Toronto Canada and I've extracted DNA with them and now have compared them to present DNA sequences found on online databases. And I've found that there's evolutionary differences between the two and that's an incredibly high tech modern scientific antics story. So why is it important to know whether there are. Differences is really important because the population is very important to the native Americans in the area. It's the major food source for them. And also they use it as currency as I've mentioned before and you've actually been getting right out into Shinnecock Bay like just hanging out with wasters listers. I actually learned how to ride a boat before a car and right. Now I'm trying to plant these choice. Ter- reefs to increase population voices because they are so important and and also Trying to find the link between gene the society and environment trying to see if those evolutionary differences that I found are just from natural occurrences or from Our impact as humans because in that area the Hamptons many people use pesticides as we all know and pollution happen so I'm wondering those evolution. Differences are are actually negative impacts from us. We'll you're carrying on a really long tradition of scientists musicians including quite a few in my own family so thank thank you for helping to make the world a better place through your music and your science. Leyla Hudson seventeen from Yorktown Heights. New York the podcast includes music and features not heard on the radio broadcast. It's available through N. B. R.. I tunes or wherever or you get your podcasts. For the last fifteen years from the top and the Jack Kent. Cooke Foundation have awarded over. Three million dollars in scholarships to talented young musicians wins who have financial need. We still have more to give go from the top dot org to learn more orly. Thanks Joanne now please welcome. Oh come on I mean of the day from the town of Blue Hill. This is fifteen year old violinist Colin. Aponte the I see you brought your main fan club. Collin did hi colleen then while I'm going to head over to the piano. Will you please introduce what will be playing together. We will be playing introduction and Taryn Tele by Pablo de Sarah Saute Awesome uh-huh in Holland. Juan Aponte fifteen from Blue Hill Maine performed introduction and Taryn Tele by Pablo. This era Saturday. I'm pianist early. Sean and I had the pleasure of playing with him. I Love Colin. How you're playing is so full of joy and spontaneity in this piece and it reminded me a little bit of an experience I had last year playing in Brunswick Maine on a from the top recording with violinist with the last name Aponte? Who's your brother Brandon? Yes it's so there are at least two violinists in your house. Yes three actually. My younger sister also plays. Wow so my oldest brother shy played the piano. We used to you have to carve out practice time so that there wouldn't be too much fighting right. Did you ever have to share a violin with any of your siblings. No actually we'd never had to share sure but When I was younger I would always hear my older brother playing all these difficult pieces that I hadn't learned quite yet and so of course me being competitive? You've always wanted to play them as well if not better than he did. And you are competitive in all sorts of activities you broke a state record. Heard being part of a relay team in swimming. But that's not all. What else have you done well? When I was in eighth grade I was the winner of the main stage spelling bee and and participating in that was pretty nerve wracking for me because for years I have been coming in second several times at the county level and once at the state eight level and so I was eighth grade and it was my last year I was eligible to compete in? But luckily one with the word Crescendo. It clearly meant to be. It sounds very intense. I wonder if I would crack under that kind of pressure. Let's see when my hearing that ominous sound effect. I like it. Is there just to give you a sense of the pressure. You'd feel at these BS. All right give me my word. Your word is Vice Nikko. Could you please use it in a sentence or sure. Vice Nicks video. Is the name of a fictional city W. E. I s. s and I see H.. T. W. You owe vice nickel. That's correct the first time in my life. That high school German airman really paid off. Thank goodness I recognize the work now for you. Winning the spelling bee even at the state level. Just wasn't enough right. You needed to do more. Yes so the week after that I was supposed to compete in the mainstay geography bee and that was a lot more competitive because I was one out of around one hundred kids and I hadn't studied nearly as much as I had for spelling but but crammed studied hard and I won the way it works out for all. Okay I'm feeling confident. Toss me my geography question. Okay here's your question. The AGADEZ region is one of eight regions is located in which west African country Cote d'Ivoire. I'm sorry at least in West Africa. Yes we're close. The correct answer is New Year. Well I must say now I I have a deeper appreciation for what you went through but to me all of these things are just more stress on top of all of the practicing in the performing that you do. Do you ever do anything to relax. Yeah well I'm really into hand eye coordination activities. So when I was when I was younger I would cup stack and then after a while. I kinda got bored with that so then I started solving Rubik's cubes and lately I've been into juggling juggling. Yeah Yeah I took on juggling as a junior high school or studying for history finals and I still keep three juggling balls by the piano for that much needed break. And those of you who you're listening on the air. You can't see this right now but right now. Colin Mayer Juggling about seven swords and torches and doing a great job. At least dropping a thing ed thank you so much to Colin upon day. Fifteen from Blue Hill Maine at center. Stage now is an accomplished fifteen-year-old cellist from my hometown of New York City. Her name is Laura Nervous Ardian and she's brought one of the best loved pieces for cello. The Swan by Camille Sense owns. I'm going to join her at the piano Eh Uh UH HUH EH The we heard Laura thirty in fifteen year old along with me at the piano. Playing the Swan by Camille Sense owns Laura. I just love love your deep sonorous tone on that cello. Thank you. Is it fun to play in this. Big Yeah I love it. It's amazing now. The last time you performed this piece it wasn't quite in this intimate. A sitting right yeah. I played this in Boston Symphony Hall with the Boston. POPs Conductor Jacome. Oh BIOS along with a Tchaykovsky pet capriccio. That's another high pressure pressure. Experience just like Colin. How do you handle it? I actually I really love pressure. I think it's really cool. It kind it makes me feel like an athlete and I just I think it really helps me and I just when I got into on the stage the first staying I thought was. Please don't mess this up because there were a lot of people there but then as I sat down to play. That's when I really knew this was what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. It's really an amazing thing. I had an experience the very the first time that I played with orchestra and my teacher had told me before I sat down. He said when the orchestra starts you'll know and I thought what are you talking talking about. What will I know and I sat down and I knew so? I know exactly what that felt like for you. And it's a wonderful feeling that comes from great preparation right. You can get there unless you really effort. And I've known you for many many years peripherally because you attended school in New York that my sons went to as well that is called the special music school at Kaufman Music Center in on the upper west side in New York work. It is the only k through twelve public school in the country that has music as a core subject throughout. Yes what was that like for you. Yeah so I started at SMS in the fourth grade. And I stayed there till the end of middle school and I feel really thankful that I was able to go there. Because it's it's actually the only school in America that combines an academic end musical education so you're able to both in just a regular school day it's really a an incredible place and clearly prepared you very well for this and give you a lot of opportunity to practice your stagecraft as well. Lauren of Asari and fifteen gene from New York City. Thank you so much checkup from the tops. New Video Docu series where music lives hosted by Kevin Lucilla of the Grammy Award Winning Acapella Group. Penta tonics meet fantastic and musicians in their own communities at from the top dot org support for. NPR comes from this station and and from the Volkogonov Foundation supporting programs. That conserve natural resources educate children and promote classical music from the Jack Kent. Cooke Foundation providing scholarships to high achieving students with financial need J. K. C. F. Dot Org and from the E. C. M. C. Foundation celebrating five five years of philanthropy and supporting efforts to improve post-secondary education for underserved students learn more at EC MC foundation dot Org from NPR. It's from the top celebrating the power of music in the hands of America's kids this week we're coming to you from Merrill Auditorium in Portland Maine Gene coming up solo piano music by Maurice Ravel performed by the winner of Julia. Jean our competition. Our performance. Here here in Maine is presented by Portland ovations and made possible with support from the onion foundation additional support provided by great diamond partners special. Thanks thinks this week to our media partner main public classical here again is today's host concert pianist. Orly Shaam thank you Joanne. Our next young performer is one of our Jack. Kent Cooke Young Artists. He's a seventeen year old flutist from Rowland Heights. California which is in the L. A. Area and his name is John Robert Santiago. Jr you fraught a really unusual piece of music for us. Would you please introduce it and tell everybody. What is that you like about it while I get ready at the piano? Sure so today. We'll be playing hypnosis by IAN. Clark I really love this piece because it was one of the first pieces that it came across US starring the flute and I really love it as well because of the improvisational nature of the piece. This was inspired by a jam. Obsession that Ian Clark had with a rock guitarist and so because of how it was written it has a very improvisational. Oh nature I really love it as well because it doesn't sound like typical music Flute Music does not sound like this. And so it. It has a sort of allure to it because of that along UH the John Robert Santiago. Seventeen ooh from Rowland Heights. California performed hypnosis by Ian Clark with me or at least at the piano John Roberts performances apart harder from the tops new music series supported by the Amphibian Foundation and the Aaron Copland Fund for Music. Jr I find your playing so rich and beautiful. And you spoke about the peace being in Providence Tori spontaneous nature of what you do is really so lovely and really a joy Oy to be a part of thank you so much. You've brought a great homemade sound clip for us. Let's take a listen. Aw Okay what are we listening to. So that is my uncles playing together at a party. Ready so when I was growing up My family was my exposure to music and what it was and Dan so I come from a very musical family and so whenever we'd get together and hang out. We always find a way to have like a jam recession or a music session and we just like play together and it was really fun and it was especially prevalent with my uncles because growing up they were in a band together but looking back at it now it just looks like a bunch of fifty to sixty year olds really living relieving their childhoods which is not at all a bad thing. Now I understand. You're also very close with your mother. Talk about that okay. So nine years ago. My father lost assist battle to cancer and he passed away and so Ever since then we've been really close and because of that She has been a single. Oh mother for the past couple of years and so it's really brave of her and she's kind of like my hero even though it is really hard to be a single single-parent She's still make sure to put food on the table and tries to Make sure that I get to rehearsals. And they get to school on time and that I'm doing well so I'm really I think one of the world and I'm sure she feels exactly the same way about you and I forgot to mentioned. Today's actually her birthday so happy birthday birthday. Jr's mom I can tell tell you as a mother that there's no better birthday present than hearing your child perform so beautifully now. We're going to switch to a slightly lighter topic adults adults and I must include myself in. This can sometimes be a little dismissive and ignorant of the good side of social media. Yeah but for you. Apparently instagram was really constructive in your musical development. Yes so growing up. When I first started the flute I I started following famous like flu players that posted their content on social media? And so because of that. That opened my eyes to what was possible. Possible for a classical musician in the world today and so it sort of gave me something to look forward to or something to aim towards and he just inspired inspired me and made me realize that this is one we want to do for my whole life. Well we are also grateful that you discovered the flute. Thank you for bringing it to us today you John Roberts Santiago seventeen from the La area going from the top musicians want to change the world for the better and we're here to support them. That's why from the top offers leadership training to all our young musicians and where out there with them doing community engagement projects all across the country. Learn more about our programs that from the top dot org hello. I'm only what you're hearing. Now that's me performing on from the top. In Twenty fifteen eighteen I've played gargoyles. The third and fourth moving bilateral Lieberman. It was such an amazing experience. I remember the crowd was so supportive and I'm so happy so grateful to be back on the show. This time I mean. Last time away I was on the top. I was graduating from high school and desktop. I'm graduated from college. This must be Yep Seriously I went through there for five years after show. It's been one of experience at Juilliard at always inspired by by my peers and teachers and Amman. All the other things I learned from school I also had a lesson on always respecting and listening to your body at. I guess you could say I learned the hard way so I started my freshman year. You know as a freshman ambitious active. I'm trying to do a lot of things and try to challenge myself with some really fiscal repertoire. And then everything just started downhill from there I remember. It was in April on Wednesday night. I practiced Stravinsky's Patricia. Three hours straight and after that my left just couldn't move anymore and with that was tingling. I went to a doctor and the doctor said it's the nerve that's injured wrist so I- rested for Weeks but but then my arm started hurting. And that's the time I realize it's no longer just a nerve injury. It's also muscle injury in the end. It was almost the two years before I could actually play and practice again. I've thought many many times What if I can never play the piano again? Every time I thought about that I've reached the conclusion there was no what if I told myself point. There's no what if if you will definitely get better and you'll recover and you'll play the piano at the my parents throughout the whole time which is so supporters. Amazing of course it worry they never said it out loud to me. What if you can never play again? And I'm just super perk grateful to my parents. Their attitude throughout the whole time was just hounding in the optimism and unwavering faith in mean Now look back. I'm very grateful to injury not to say that I'd like to have them again. But listening to music user became very different for me. My ears were opened up now. I don't have to focus on how I get this passage going how I need to play it. I I can focus more on how the music little elements in the music interacts with each other how the music develops how it tells a story how out how it expresses some ideas and music suddenly overtime just become much closer to my heart so flash forward. After all that work I was back back in school back to practice. Love the feeling of practice and piano again and never wanted to leave if piano again and then I entered competition gene about our scholarship competition for the juilliard school. So I embraced it and went for it and at a winner's recital I played this piece. this is Al Barada Also from Murray's revel sweet called Michaela. WHOA it off Aw aw The that was from the top alum one Lee from New York City performing a bottle. Chris Yozo Oh from rebels Mula. 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Denial, Anger, Acceptance, Episode 3
"Hey all you cool cats and kittens out there a wait a second wrong show. Sorry sorry watching too much tiger king No Ao you guys. All you motherfucker is out there Kristen and I want to thank you guys like seriously. Thank everybody who's tuning in and listening right now. We know this is a crazy time that we're all in and We did not expect the amount of love and listeners. That we're getting right now and our reviews we are fucking blown away and we are humbled so the fan response has been so great that we're adding another show on Thursdays it's GonNa be cold buddy KNOB LA THURSDAYS RIGHT. Chris phenomenal what is going to be call. It's going to be called Thursday. It's not a rewatch people. Not Every watch now. It will be much. Less structured not rewatch. The way our Monday episodes are just us? Girls sharing our lives. Our opinions answering listener questions going on being rather that we are. You know what I mean. This Thursday is GonNa be phenomenal Fan Thursday because we answer a lot of fans questions plus we picked our kitchen conciliatory and that comes from our Sunday. Dinner smackdown that. We do once a week so every Sunday. We're going to be having these little competitions where people can submit their cooking videos. And they'll have a chance to come on our show on Thursdays for a little. Sit Down with the ladies with us. Gangsta bitches so please check out our brand new Thursday show right here on made women we spent all last night talking about Ajit We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA bleed into today's Osita because we lost our entire podcast. Last night we recorded An hour and a half of our and forty shit I mean mind blowing and then Robbie my boyfriend from the band all them which is be sure to pick up their album. While your home team. He plays computer overloaded and he didn't see it happen and we lost the entire podcast. So we're going to try to recreate a portion of it. We got through US just talking about our daily Aga but we never got into the meat of the show. We did for an hour and a half and we lost it all. So we're going to attempt this one more time previously all the Sopranos last week on the Sopranos Forty six long acting cap. Oh Jackie Appeal. Has Cancer mentioned junior and Tony the need for a successor Tony? Juniors relationship is strained even further when Christopher and Brendan Steal Truck of DVD players. Finding out later the truck belongs to juniors associates causing multiple problems including Brendan hijacking another truck filled with Italian suits motto on this fucking Stu. Not a what he's. Aj Science Teachers car get stolen. And Pussy and Paulie or sent to recover it which proves harder than initially expected. Tony tries to convince Livia to move into a nursing home a retirement community after she accidentally starts a fire in her kitchen and hits her best friend with her car. She refuses though is ultimately overpowered by Tony. Livia Soprano might be the only elderly person that someone might wish the corona virus. Iv jets. Kill me. Now go go. Nick it here in my chest with it. Just twist it okay. So episode. Three RECAP DENIAL ANGER ACCEPTANCE. Tony Paulie and Silvio enter into a new business deal with Jewish hotel owner. Tony struggles with terminal illness of his longtime friend and current. Don Jackie aprile meadow s Christopher for a favor that could get him in trouble after consulting Livia. Junior has Mikey Palm. Macy Saint Christopher and Brennan. A clear message. So should we talk about that titled? He sends a message special. Yes let's talk about the title. It's quite obvious. The title is pretty obvious Yeah it's denial anger acceptance. What is it a reference to Ms Kushner the stages of grave? Which book is it? The first on definite dieting or what Elizabeth Kubler Ross on death and dying and she listens she lists the five stages of grief. I think she then added another two stages in her next book but three out of the seven or five stages of grief are denial anger acceptance So through this episode. We really go on a journey with most of our characters with those themes but I would say that that the the main theme of this Episode is death and the fear of death and the fear of nothingness. I guess this is the first episode where we really start to feel the existential pangs. That a lot of the characters are gonNA kind of go through throughout the throughout the series and this is the first instance of it. So let's talk about death and I have to say before we even get into the episode. I really was like less interested in getting Getting into this episode. For some reason it was never one of my all time favorites. It's I like it. I do I dig it but it's not a banger. It's not like Holy Shit Soprano Banger. But because of what's happening right now in the world and where we're at today it felt so appropriate because it kind of feels like A. I don't know it's it's Kinda profound which part the whole thing which fear there's denial we're going through as a society right now and as individuals. I think we're feeling a lot of denial about whether it I think. We were feeling denial about what's going on in society and now where we're stuck inside and then we're experiencing the anger of being inside on all about you but I'm sure we're we're all GonNa go through different stages of grief. I'm sure throughout this experience. And then there's going to be the acceptance of okay. This is the new normal right now so I sort of feel like this episode is really mirroring where we're at right now. Also the existential themes of. Is this all a big nothing or is this all a big something Life like do we stay connected to our brother. How do we figure this out? There's just so much going on I. I also feel like the idea that were separated. Usually through electron ix. The computer age separated us all so much and now all of a sudden. We're being forced to you that this is the only way for us to communicate. It was get off your computers and go see a Franken off your computers. Amihai now unity. And now it's like don't be part of a community. Don't touch anybody get all your computers. The state connected. Because that's all we have right now. Well that's what we're doing right now. Were dre and I are not together where actually. I'm at my house my home studio and she's at Hers. She's actually sitting in front of a Sopranos pinball machine. I just noticed in her background. I guess what I on this part of it so now I get to be on his mother side but you are on it on the other side. I'm on that part among the low. I'm on the light up area an on the actual pinball. She's like I got front and center. Don't you worry she's on the Little Trivia? This was given to me when I got whacked by by. Hbo Of Really. I mean one of the main producers at sent over it was her. It was her idea and she sent it to me and I really wanted my cardiac watch and they were like fuck you. But we'll send you the pinball machine did you get to ask do you ask for a cardio or according to watch every day on the show it was. It was Adriaan walk so I want. That's funny I mean I. I'm Winston Bracelet that I wear later on in in season five. But that's another story. Let's do first appearances. Who are some first appearances go? Rosalie appeal Sharon Angela. Yes you're groped my friend. We spoke about her last night. I said I was saying how sexy I think. She has. Especially in the hospital scene super-secret she's going down to get the Jaw Right. She's not getting Brussel. What do you want? He says outdated rasual yet and she laughed. But she's really cute especially voice she has a voice like yours in verse. She will definitely come on the show with us. She teaches acting here in la. She's a real fucking broad and she's a could fucking woman. You are going to super dig her. I feel like she resembles a lot of people that I know on the East Coast. Family wise you know like my mom's friends and stuff so I there's there's something familiar about her. She's a real New Orleans leave royalist. I like her since cute. Let's get her on so then we have Hillel Title Man. Hello is a CO owner of flyway Mattel. The father the father is hello. Yes yes son-in-law today say father the father the off he's the father in law the father in law yeah who gets whacked in this episode. Brendan Baloney Mike Palm EC. By mikey from yeah. He gets the more green special. Which is what I'm assuming You love I like to say that you know. Why do I like to say that because in the next episode? Which we're not talking about the next episode. Big Pussy says Maureen special when Christopher comes into focus shop is at the meadowlands when when Christopher Bust into the hospital. We comes into the hospital. And he says he shot my friend Blah Blah Blah. This and that and big pussy and Paulie start arguing and he goes and Silvio Shot through the eye. That and the message is what he says about. Mo- green is his eyes got bigger than his stomach meaning. He was a fucker and react with brandon reasons. Greedy Mother Fucker so he got the Mo- green special through the faulk and I and well with the truck the truck with the DVD's Tony said knock it off. And then he went back to sue fucking new kid idiot. I'm here making Italian hand gestures for those who can't see me a town doing it with you. Join Stolpe is this Ma. Go look at the very end when meadows singing a religious e kind of song and at the that scene in the godfather where it's the baptism scene and it's sort of A lot of people get murdered in the Godfather and that seen this is just Brendan getting murdered. But then Christopher also gets the shit scared out of him in the same scene literally literally scared out of them but he says Pacino says to Frago at some other point during the Godfather. Don't ever fuck go against the family. Like when he's talking about something he says it's a radio and it's the same thing with Christopher and Brendan Christopher's saying to Brandon. I'm not going against the family. Waited my whole life to be a part of this family. I'M GONNA fuck this shit up now. Brendan's vulcanized were bigger than his stomach was bigger than his focus is greedy motherfucker. Naw Cook it through the. I just like Mo Green on that massage table. Yeah Christopher's trying to watch out. I mean he wants his ultimate goal is to be a made man right and the books are closed right now because Jackie sick. Oh that's what happens. I didn't even realize that I have. The books are closed. Nobody making. Nobody's getting made right now but he keeps trying to do stuff so that he can get made he wants to get made. He's also very fucking greedy and very impatient. He's kind of like Joe. Patchy quality to them a little bit in good interesting okay. So let's get into some Should we do fun? Facts and best lines. I don't think we have any favorite line. I have a line that okay. Which is it what is it? I think it's the same where they're when they're talking about. I think it's the same between junior and Mikey when they're having dinner and he says I think junior says. I think Mikey policy says you should have taken care of that. Christopher kit or whatever and he goes he goes take it easy. We're not making a fucking western here hacking western. That was a good line fucking western. Here's he's even say fucking but I love that. I love everything that comes out. Junior's mental is fucking gold. It's coming he was. He's a great actor fucking is he was an old friend of my mom's their old friends. My mom would know a lot of people on the show as the years went on because she was a big play writing teacher. Manhattan's all these actors. Love your because she wrote amazing material for all of them. Amazing Yeah Okay. So where the fun facts okay. Well this is. This might not be so fun. Irena Tony's Mitch. Mistress is played by Oksana Lada while the character was played by Siberia Federico in the pilot episode. Do you know what is a fun fact? The fact that dray Matteo really thinks that Oksana. Lada has really nice boobs. That's a fun of course you do. She is racing. Every wives are going to be demeaning to receive. Was she naked in the show in her boobs or flopping around Alabama's like Oh my God. I'm like Bama Nate. She wasn't naked in this. She wasn't making in this episode. I don't think she's naked somewhere else. Because I remember Kobi's let's talk about the meat of this episode and how it's relating to the world right now because it's it's pretty fucking intense man a lot of things in the first scene with you know. Obviously Tony's sitting in mouse office and there's an innocent painting in waiting room and he talks about it. He thinks she's like hiding. Something you know. Has that anger towards her displays yells at her and then we go also to Ardian Charmaine well anyway. The painting in the very top and we could talk about the whole. Have something to say about all the paintings. Because there's there's several paintings on the show you have that painting where he feels as though he's being tricked and he's talking about rotting tree. Which is not really what's happening in there. He he refers to it as a core. Shak or something I thought he was going to say more shock like like welcome back now say horseback which would have been even funnier. But there's that painting then there is the paining in Irena 's house that David Hockney Honky. It's just a hockey. That's David Hockney painting. I think it might be called a big splash or something but again it's a it's an empty chair. Empty Chair that's juxtapose. I guess with Jacky Appeal and his dying throughout this episode and deteriorating more more and he's very pre preoccupied with his own death and less concerned with staying connected to his friends like he's he's disappearing and in the chair. There's missing missing person. So that person was there because the chairs falling over. But they're clearly not there in the painting which also kind of refer to Tony in the pool and the ducks may be a little bit but I think because the ducks were there than they were not there by might be pushing too far for For reading into symbols. 'cause I love to do that Shit but but I think in that painting it is there's somebody that's there but they're not they're like talk like Jackie appreas. He's there but he's already gone kind of thing. Yeah well that's really says in that position that he's just so he's not really there. I think he says towards the end but also already in the reason why I bought Audience Charmaine is. They're also going through the stages of grief because they lost the restaurant you know. There's a lot of anger there and denial and all that stuff. There's more anger. I think they're in that stage junior on the scene of junior and Christopher junior and Mikey policy talking about the calmly heists and they're cut between Christopher Brendan talking about them Brendan and and Christopher are coke. Data their fucking listening to crazy as me while these two are listening to this nice peaceful music against the beautiful painting home You know Definitely Roman ruin. But it's old school. Yes there's the old school new school and it's just like let's let's get into what death means for this episode because now we have Ariel who is his name literally means lion of God he references. How was it like nine hundred Jews stood up to? I don't know was it. Fifteen thousand Roman soldiers. Adam is just coming up with numbers I don't even know but The Massad and he prays and quotes Psalms in things. While they're he's being held he's being threatened his life's being threatened and he's not afraid of death he defies death and this is a strong emotionally and physically that's because he has his faith and Melfi. Yeah even leans in very close to Tony? Soprano and gives him Total Chris? Kushner lips with her teeth in her mouth and she says in her voice I sound like an the what is his faith. What does she say I have the envy? What did she say? Hold on. Let me see? I have it somewhere she goes. You envy the seats beliefs. He goes all. This shit's for nothing. And if it's nothing the why do I gotTa think about it? And she says that's mysterious the mystery of God or whatever you WanNa call it and why awake given the questionable gift of knowing I'm GonNa die. You know what I just want to hear you Laura I am not doing rocky oh I can do Adriaan right now. People want to hear that. Let's just do the whole thing of you? You doing other carradine. Shy Play Tony Soprano and you blame Melfi. Gold put on a short skirt. We will film this. I will put on a Su- right now your she. She's kind of sexy. Right kind of sexy. I mean I mean that. Like a rhetorical question. She's sexy she's sexy. Like your sexy Kushner. That's so nice that you're not paying any right back at you. Look at me look at me when you talk to me on this podcast oversight looking at a. I'm trying to look at other things on the on. This is GonNa be looking at your notes. I WanNa talk about death. I WanNa talk about that. I wanted to get out. Meadow meadow singing in the choir going back and forth about. Okay we all come back to the dead. All comes back to death. She's putting her nose. They could possibly kill her. Christopher gives her shit that will kill her because I say that she might. Oh Oh yes. I never realized when she was singing. The choir you brought this up last night that she would. You're saying she was on Meth. Yes all over. Their little foreheads. The girls and their grinding their jaws. You know something when your kids if they ever do drugs. You're not gonNA fucking no fucking known over those writing their jaws on looking with Wesley always hanging. Ed Meadows a good singer. I was like go Jamie Lynn. What she was telling us in her interview remember that she went record that album and everything. She's a great singer. She said it was. It was one of her biggest regret. I know singer No. She can sing in Sochi David Chase's daughter scan guerrilla alatorre in this episode and understand. Why and you explained it to me last night. But I'm sure all that recorded loss I did. I might have had a cocktail last night to Cacciatore you told me last night. That the reason they call her catch. Tori is a reference to chicken. Catch a Tory. And that means how Dr Hunter style chicken to the dish. Chicken cacciatore means chicken. Hunter Style Hunters. Archer's name is Hunter Scan Carello and I thought well fuck in Hell. They changed her last name in the second or the third episode. But the why do they call her scan Garoppolo later hunter scan. Garoppolo is our fucking name but I thought they changed it to catch. That's south slick. That they did that I would. I would have never caught that one. I catch a lot of China and I make up a Lotta Shit because I read into stuff. That's not even there like things that I'm sure. The writers never even fucking thought about like the way. This shot was positioned against this shot must've melodies panties must have been really stuck inside. I mean I don't have a million different in bad these are stuck inside Seiger by. I could come up with ideas that don't exist. You know what I mean because I'm always looking at something like it's a work of art and not even like something that might have really actually happened on the notes that I have. It says that after they were singing the choir That meadow expresses that she wants to go to California Berkeley College. And why I guess. I guess the question was last night. Do you believe that she wants to get away? And go to the other coast. Because of what Tony's doing like she's you know kind of fed up with that whole lifestyle or what she just discovered. I mean I would imagine that she wants to get as far away from that family as possible. I mean I know. I've spoken about my own mother and her father having been a a made guy and she couldn't get that far away. I think she was afraid to get that far away but she did everything in her power to get that far away In her in the way that she decided to raise her family like she never learned how to cook never learned how to clean never learned how to raise a child really at the end of the day so she did the complete opposite of what someone like. Carmelo would do She doesn't want to be anything like her mother. So I would imagine a character like meadow would be very much like my mother to to escape but most teens I feel like they all want to escape. They all want to go as far as they can go from their parents. I wanted to stay high me I want to say. I was bartending newer. I could get the best of everything that I needed at any given time because I was a New York party kid. I didn't want to leave the New York party scene. Man I wanted to get out. I Was Jersey and I was like I'm going to California and my parents were like you are not going to college in California but I think if I was living in the city it would have been different than you were. Yeah I ended up going to Nyu and then look only applied to two colleges nyu and USC. And I don't think I got into Z or. Maybe I did. I'm not sure by new. I didn't WanNA leave because I I've been living on my own since I was a teenager. Really we had an apartment in Manhattan. My parents stayed in Queens and I have really never went home. I live with my brother and I never went to school. Kids dream what you just said hat and your parents living in hindsight is twenty twenty but yeah like as your teenager. How old were you when you're living there? I started living with my brother in Manhattan. When I was about fifteen sixteen sixteen I really started eighteen. Sixteen so he would call in sick for me every day. We'RE REALLY GETTING OFF. Subject here but But yes I lived. I lived a wild fucking life and and that's probably why I don't let my kids leave my side now. Yeah you're good mommy okay back to thanks to the Sopranos. Sorry. I'd rather of the year here now steal those oranges and jumped that fence today. Because go get those lemons now some fucking citrus fruit. Yes all right. It's an artist house our new house when Carmella and Tony Walk into see the House and I guess the question is when Carmella make some comments like oh it's so cozy. This is so cozy. Is She being snobbish by saying that because then she gets back in to her house and then she says to Tony? You could fit a fraction of that house. Are you could fit the whole house in a fraction of ours. Yeah she though I mean Th- I mean Hermel is a really good person I think in the show. Even though she's made a lot of she's conceded to a lot of stuff which are all very you know let of evil things in the world but I do think that there is an not snobby nece but she's got a class system you know. She made her bed which was to to take all of the stuff. She wanted this stuff and greed again greed. Yeah the American the American dream all of it which This kind of brings us around to the scene with with Ariel and when they start talking about the Roman Empire and he says where the Romans now and the boy the men say will your fucking looking at them and if you look at that story it really is The the fall of the Roman empire was all based on greed and Sort OF JUSTICE. Selfish behavior very indulgent life kind of stuff. Look Right now. Look at us in the supermarkets look at us Such as we're trying to help each other in the very small ways that we possibly can right now. We are all men for themselves. I heard today five of the fittest and I heard today that the that Ralph's two ralphs have been held at gunpoint. This these are supermarkets here to you morning getting so much information coming. I don't even know where. Hi It's crazy when I saw my broccoli this morning on my table like his mother. Fucker looking on billy like fucking Broccoli. You know like this is insane so yeah I think getting back to that whole idea of the Roman empire and how they reference that in the show in this episode and then you have the beast story of shore main Artie and their home which does not look like Carmelo's home and then you cut to that scene of them I think unpacking cops glass. I don't know what they're doing. But they're in the middle. Yeah and it starts with. I think she they're doing. They're doing that fundraiser. Right Cornell is having a fundraiser for the hospital yeah at their house and is that altruism on her part or is it is it social snobbery is trying to be keeping up with the Joneses like is it or is she really interested in in helping the hospital over she just like a wing named after her really like what you just want to wing. She wants a wing named after her. Because I think even ardy Mendoza like what are they going to have to donate the soprano wing? He says episode but they are generously. Tony does WANNA help. He has a conscience about what happened with the fire. And if Tony can now. He offered them the money but charmaine will not take that money and I don't blame her. I wouldn't take the fucking money who wants to be associated with that. I mean that's like taking money from Shylock no or you're going to at least oh emotionally or comes with they were. There's GonNa be something that they're all going to hang out and mayors they're gonNA feel entitled to the place You know speaking of restaurants where mobsters hang out. I'm just GONNA go ahead and share this one tiny bit of information of my own personal history because I know people like this shit so when I was a little girl I used to crawl around on the floor. Raoult's this is before Raoult's was special. And important and woody allen used to eat there all the time this is when it was still just like a Mafia hang so I was a baby in the seventies and I would crawl around sniffing the seats because there were a lot of big motherfuckers who sat in there and just one really heavy guy. Wh-why did you smell the seats later. In Life my English teacher would call me a snooker which is a bicycle seat sniffer. That's me. Yeah I mean if you're why why are you smelling people's cried? Could your German shepherd with that knows. I swear to God like I'll get in the car with you. And you'll be like WHOA. Would you have to expel God? Well anyway as I'm crawling around on my feet sniffing the mother fucking seats. What's under the tables? Oh what is under the tables? Take all under the guns guns strapped in tables. Are you kidding me? At how old were you been like? If you're crawling around your probably like seven five. No I was younger. I was younger. I was really little. How Dangerous Mike? That is a crazy story. Anyways let's get back to the Roman Empire and the fall of the Roman Empire and Blah Blah Blah Blah and The connections between Ariel his. Faith Talking Werman Empire we balance you Fellas House Manila's House and then we're going to go in we're Hermel Oh and then we have the hand gesture to the housekeeper and she does the hand gesture that's like the backwards wave her salve which is No that's that's a come here gesture and she does it. Oh Yeah I'm just yes. It's just trying to describe it physically what it would look like. And then she does it to shore May in the middle of episode over the lamb. Tanada something. What does she say? Those little lamb ally forced by the way. I don't even know but that should be on the SUV IOS menu too. Because I have no idea what that is but then I mean my favorite part of the whole scene is when Charmaine lets her have it. They're cleaning up after the party. She's studying her her body language when she packs it and she picks up the box and she's like yeah and she walks out of the way by the way no means is by the way. I just want you to know where Carmelo for says to her. I'm sorry you'll be back on your feet in no time and Charmaine says back to her like I'm fine with my choice and by the way your husband. I fucked your husband before you did. And it wasn't for was may five for me it. What that's the best. Fuck you you can say to check it was. I had him any wasn't from me. Sorry we made our choice Com. I'm happy with. Did you see face when she said they should have? Tony is got like this. Blue Eyes got real big. Oh I can't wait to have catherine nor duty on here you're GonNa love her too and she's an amazing fucking artist like an insane painter. How really Oh yeah Motassedeq. But she's Amazing so I can't wait to have her on the show too. So Jackie Appeal while we're talking about death We have some Freudian moments throughout the show. I think we have I mean maybe I'm going too far into deep but having the stripper show up at Jackie's room is good. Be Somewhat of a Freudian Fang. Also shows a really soft side of Tony. I mean it's like she said Melfi said in the room. Oh how nice. She threw a party for your friends. You know he was explaining the whole situation where the stripper comes in. Yeah Tony when he's got a soft spot fucked up but I think that the you know to show sex which is life in procreation against this Death that's where the that's where I get all the little by little Silly moments of of Freud and then also because Ariel doesn't succumb to death doesn't give up in the face of death. The only time he gives up is when you tell him you're GonNa cut his fucking Dick. Yeah take his manhood. Yeah Well I think we'll wrap it up if we're going to talk about the end of the episode to see how in the beginning of the episode. Ariel fighting against the the being bullied into death and then watching Christopher literally shitting his pants and having known Breyer's no no No belief system. No nothing just pure fear there. Is You really see the difference in the two in I found that One is one is about acceptance in one is denial and fear. Yeah well you know what I WANNA get into now is You're you're I seen right was the house in the show. My first real sees. It's true I know and you were great and you look babe no makeup right out of the shower there. Little Leopard Robe. On and that's when meadow comes over to score crystal. Meth with her free zone. When I watched it I was watching it with. Ginger Ginger is my friend who was the. Pa The production assistant who handled all the actors on the show. So she's got a Lotta inside scoop Once we get get her when we get into season four because that's when she finally came she'll come on chill. We'll get her to talk some shit for sure But I looked at her and I said wow. That's interesting because I haven't watched the show aired and I could not believe how Adriana a spoke back to Christopher She was maintaining a similar role to Livia Amalfi. How Livia is is Is Juniors conciliatory? Amalfi has become has become Tony Soprano's conciliatory and now. Adriana was playing that part with with Christopher and that is an that my character wasn't developed yet because I think once David Chase really got to know me because he used to write for his characters if he if he found a personality trait within one of the actors in their personal lives he would then blend that into their real lives A lot of us have that and I think he realized early on. I wasn't a tough girl in rea- reality that I looked tough and I could play but that I wasn't really everyone who meet everyone who meets you at first. They think you're tough but I mean you you are in different ways. Yes but at the end of the day. I'm not I you know. It's the end of the young. I mean I definitely have. I have both things going for me at all times but the thing that really drives me in life is is how sensitive I am I guess and Mike and he so he made Adriaan of those things and she was very weak because of innocence. Innocence on the show but in this episode I say Fuck You I make my own money. She wouldn't have done that later on in the series. He also wouldn't have listened to her advice as much. I think but then again I could be wrong. You're the one. Adriana is the one who suggested that Christopher give meadow crack because he she said that if not she's going to get it from Jefferson you've and she could get raped or whatever she says so. Yeah but the way she says it in. This episode is a lot more like these. Are The facts? Christopher fucking make it happen but when you see her later like in a in a hit is a hit which is i. Think episode ten were. That's one I really knew they were bringing me into the show. She's talking about becoming a music manager and she sorta like so. Do you think that that we become music? Managers main instead of it being like you're GonNa let her walk down. The Jefferson APP. Like that character is not what? What are you lying crazy? I didn't know who was yet so I was just playing her stereotypically tough now. I wonder what the whole show would. I mean it would have been different show if Adriana was was that tough girl that carried through I liked it. I'd like to end this episode. The where the way she kind of put Christopher Maher the way David I wrote that character I mean he molded that character. And I'm not GonNa say that I I didn't take part in playing it but I'll always defer and give up that I'll always give that up to David. That's my godfather. That's all that's my don corleone. So before that episode did you I mean what did you do to prepare for that and did did Michael Imperial early? Help you out in any way with it or anybody on set and the other at that. I know anything about anybody. Michael I only have that seen previously where we're standing up at the nightclub so we never really spoke I knew that I was coming back. And of course if you look at my nails up close there about two inches long each but I got my nails done at the salon two hours acrylics and I thought Jesus if I really commit to this by sitting in this chair to get these nails done for two hours. What are the chances that all become a series regular on the show like Iowa's just doing everything to prepare for being on the show in case it raw it would happen and it fucking happened? And I needed those nels to have my accent because without my hair and makeup which. I don't have in that scene I can't get into character. Something really silly about my character if I don't have on high heels I couldn't have the accent if I didn't have the hair and the high heels I would have a really hard time speaking without with Adriana accent. Wow that's pretty neat interesting important. You need the hills. I mean you did a great job without the heels bare feet now makeup. I was scared to some high heels on scene. I seen ever for you. I mean that's pretty baby. I was a big. Let's go to the food. Let's go to this. Special visas specials at Vesubio. There's a couple of dishes that are listed in this episode Jackie appeal when Rosalie goes downstairs to the cafeteria. She says can I get you something? Hainan? He Goes. Yeah. What do you make? Brush Chris Nope never have. I don't even know what it is. I'm bad Italian with that. That's on nummy okay. Well I'm GonNa make you a nice Brussel. We make Brussel every Christmas morning to put in our tomato sauce along with the sausage in the meatballs. The brush ole is very thinly thinly sliced beef that you can even pound down to make it even thinner. Think of as thin as a stay calm if you can remember what stadiums were like when you were a kid. Oh my God we've been talking about day comes here all day because I'm thinking no one is buying stay comes all the frozen food aisles. That are fucking sold out. Do you know what I brought home because nobody wanted it. I brought home white castles. Thank God it's Friday's fucking potato skin dog so I brought it all on. I said Fuck. If we're really in the in the fucking apocalypse we're going to have white castle burgers. I'm GONNA give all of my non meat eating ways of fucking Shit White Castle even exist anymore. I mean on the East Coast. I think but it's still delicious and disgust. I I just remember going to the one in Montclair New Jersey. My Dad digging in their back. Joe Yep thinly sliced beef inside it. You layer with a scoop of cottage cheese. Parsley when I go thirty got ricotta cheese for you. Mayonnaise Fair the Mayonnaise IRS. That's a that's what Tony. Soprano calls his neighbors. The Italian neighbors the COOSA. Manos they call them the Mayonnaise irs because they they act more white not really alien so anyway the fucking brush because it has to be a one one big paragraph is. Somebody can write this shit down. Thinly sliced beef the regatta the Parsley Parmesan cheese chopped up garlic chopped up these little bit of chopped up raisins mole. Visit now and you stick. Your metal pins through it. You Brown it on the outside with some garlic and then you throw it do that. Then you trolling the hill and you people. There's a whole hand gesture this whole recipe. There's a bunch of that. She's doing a Dan now. The other day that they mentioned on the show is the add on Cini. Which are the rice balls again of the I love? You're right you're right is Charles are the best demanding on the show. Not Everybody makes rice bowls the same way. You can make a very simple rice ball where you just boil. The Rice. Put a little parsley in their. Put your egg in their draw to to make the rice Sticky and then you can put lots of shredded sell through it and then you can roll the balls and fry them. We don't do that on Christmas time. We spend the entire night the night before Christmas Day. Making the rice balls and it takes hours so we make our rice. You can either use Berina like a result though or regular rice. You do your Parsley your Parmesan CHEESE EGGS. All in the egg in the in the rice mixture. You Mush it up with your hands and then on the side you're cooking chopped up. Shrimp chopped up mushrooms peas. A little tiny bit of tomato sauce all cooked up with with some onions and garlic. You Cook that up in the net now you take your your your Your flat you're flattened out rice on in your hand and then you put your dollops of your shrimp mixture in the very middle of the rice ball and then you close it up like this. You make a nice big ball. 'cause these are bigger balls and then you dip it in the eggs like an egg mixture again like you're making chicken cutlets and then you dip it in the bread crumbs and then you fry that. Shin. Oh my God. I'm so hungry right. He made fifty of. What are you doing for? What if your Christmas display is just ridiculous? Didn't make you guys we changed. We made small. I Don Cheney. We didn't make my grandmother. My grandmother's are the ones with those. But you're spread and Christmas or Christmas Eve is ridiculous. I think this year that you were there. You didn't get the full on full on because my rayleigh so we we usually stick. You turned it down a little bit. That's tone down. Yeah we usually do all fish. Wow yeah well. That's the thing right years preserved fish for talion. We may generate. How do we not make a meat sauce? Duly make toss. I'll give that recipe okay. So we're doing this. Do Not Guide. Yeah this is the very first. This is the first time on the show. I saw the first time. It's the first time we've heard the word Molin. Yon On the show. I can't believe you've been putting their because part of the Italian culture. It's boasted about this with anyone of my black friends because they're already have been. We've already covered. How junior calls the the caregiver a smoke soon. this show does not care about being political anyway but you understand that this show was aired in one thousand nine hundred and nine so. I wonder because we're doing this in two thousand twenty and we're going over these molen yon and the smoke words. People are are going to get upset. I wonder people okay. People might get upset. Might have gotten upset when the show came up. But we're not going to deny what's actually happening on the show and more dissecting the show and here's a show that saw no boundaries whatsoever. So they use today was in. This episode is the first time in woollen Janas a derogatory word in the Italian Lingo for Latin America African American. And it's it's eggplant. It's the word fucking eggplant. That's actually is Mohan eggplant. Yeah is it so? Let me talk about I plant Parmesan because we don't really give a Shit Valley all the derogatory words at Italians have for other people because guess what in this episode alone. They have referred to the acidic Jews as Z. Z. Top lookin' motherfucker. Our friend with the funny sideburns and our non shellfish eating friend. I mean they just every fucking time they refer to the Hasidic Jews. They have a different looking well. I just feel like this thing say I just wonder millions. Lloyd's Italian by just wonder if in this day and age there would be because we're so politically correct when it comes to like. I don't know if they would be okay if people would be okay. Came out now doing art show. We're doing our show now and we're talking about the Italian culture and how they used to be and back then. It was just like yeah. That's that's racist. Italians those types of people and now I mean yeah people might get more offend offended now more than ever but I do think if you're telling the story of a sub culture or any culture you have to stay true to who these people are or the show is bullshit. I agree whether or not we can have a show that could do that now. I still think it's important to show the reality of society. And what's really going on and to not try to fake anything because the Shit's real. It exists hatred exists People divided exists All of sort of stuff. I just feel like We're not educating people enough to understand that we are want all of us were. We're one people not everybody's GonNa think like we do. Obviously but you know. I know that I'm not racist. And you're not racist but and IT SICKENS US. When you know when we hear the crazy fucking stories we here but I at someone like myself. I wouldn't shy away from that when it comes to art because this honest yeah I feel like the stories have to be told you know whether whether we agree with it or not. Those are the stories that exist exactly so back to the fucking Shona it's got. Oh by the way you know. It's not on the students guy Step as e studied. Shut up. Shut up your face. Yes and I don't even really know how you spell that but that's a that's a little subtleties eat. One more time together reading one two three status which means up. Who's show by the way? Did I not say that to you the other day on the Senate today either on drain? I do these voice notes instead of texting because it's a little easier. She got me into it. She's like a voice note. Seen I don't know why I said that. That's so funny. It came out of my mouth because the fucking sopranos and when I heard it on the show today I was like Chris today that so fun she sounds like such crazy talion. She said it's Z. Well that's it for today's episode of made it sound weird that we all of a sudden. Start reading after we've been talking all this time anyway. Who gives a because when they when they fucking cut it together? It's going to sound better because right now. All this isn't going to be in a better not I think that it should be in. I think they should leave it. In if you fucking edit this out producers. I'm going to be really pissed off. Anyway that's it for today's episode of Made Women While we're in Quarantine Kovic nineteen a big thank you to all our listeners for tuning in and as always all of our episodes are available to listening subscribe for free at Apple Dot co slash made women as well as most other podcasts platforms. That's all for today. Thanks for listening and please. Don't forget to listen to our new Thursday edition of Made Women Phenomena Thursdays. This Thursday every Thursday. I Love I love when you do it. I really made women. 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Sector 2814 Ep #14: Green Lantern - Ganthets Tale
"The one five kiosks travel free. This is red lantern russell from and you're listening to sector two eight one. Four a green lantern podcast this episode sidekicks brought to you by tweak. Nadia get awesome headphones. Audio dot com and use the coupon southie. Thirty percent offer shipping in a lifetime. Warranty where he can get there through the link on our website. Southgate media group dot com. This is lucas in. You're listening in lieu two sidekicks podcast and bright as day in blackest night so evil. Shallow scheme i site. But those who worship evil might wear might tower green lanterns guilt back with another of the second one. I am bill jordan. After in we'll everyone last week. Naughty parrot it is for me. But i was gonna say bad day watching this live or back. Put 'em second thessaly two weeks later. Well i don't think she's gonna be weeks better doozer cone of ood already bedrest kids. I am in my bed because my previous podcast studio has been Take i taken over by baby room and my wife's sisters are coming to visit to help with the baby. There'd been here the twenty eighth. We're recording on the fourth. So i would ordinarily be recording the living room but i'm not i'm not sending them into the bedrooms out for an hour plus our podcast as married. I mean they were never here for that but as a married man and his wife has three older sisters. I get you i got. I however has as getting ready to become a new parent mother-in-law or mother and sisters there to help her take care of baby that's two thumbs way way up. Play some zone defense. Not man on man you know. I'll i don't know about you. But i know win. When we had the boys we were there. Saturday morning we had. She had the boys. We went home the next day before you sending me home with an instruction manual. I don't know what i'm doing. Is it me home with these. I don't know what's going on. You know i mean. Luckily my wife. Like i said she has three older sisters so they had all had kids previously so my wife had plenty of experience chain diapers and doing all that stuff so it was like you know i kind of had an expert With me so it really made me question. The professional judgment of the doctors inverted. Like you're sending babies home with me. What what what is wrong with you. You know they'll they'll product out. Eddie lewis born on like a tuesday night like he came in at like eleven something so he was so close to be in. The next day was a snowy tuesday. Night yeah then. We went on thursday morning. But yeah coda. They'll probably jack your kid while you're there. Yeah they put like look. I know on the hospital. I put a little You know ankle thing on them so no one can walk off and they locked out they lock does those wards maternity wards down man. They don't let you could say. I'm you know i'm so you know here for so and so and yeah yeah there's been obscene too. Many tv movies with me last week with the baby in. Yeah you can't even hold them in the hallway. They have to be in the thing or unreal chair. You're so yeah. I'm not worried about security but i'm not interested in the whole experience so we'll see it was talk early. Tattooing the boys is identical twins. You know we stopped short of that. But of course it would have been ways. Symbol and probably a green lantern symbol. They might not like that you know as they age so we still so they're identical albouy one is left. What is right handed. Is that always. The case turns. There's their mirror image twins. I think a mirror image twins but they favor the cab ambidextrous mike favorites laura outs favors left a little bit more. But they're both of these things with both hands so more but it. It was really interesting. Because we were like i can look at old pictures of now. I'm like at the time i knew who to that. Now for sure now take always label your pictures. You will thought we're back to always label your kids. Yahoo you'd have to get the label maker below my name. Got a you got this. You got lot on the job training. You'll get him. Hey man at least you're having a girl man. You know changing diapers. You know you know it's going to be harder on you. Trust me right not impossible. I'm sure that it'll have no good. We'll we dodge. We've yeah few for for free. It for stop star wars. They're absolutely what a segue. We are recording on store. Were day ask me the fourth with you. All i think what didn't the Bad bad premier. Today i haven't. I haven't watched it but yeah i believe it did. Yeah of course. Yeah i didn't. I was at a coming through store. I was gonna grab maybe just a star wars issue because i forgot so just to be festive but i kind of forgot Flip past one in been and hours just digging up on some cool stuff. But i did not get a star wars dirk. Oh my god we. Yeah the baby was important on star wars day camp namer leonel. Now only go like. Oh my god. Ray would think you named her. After him he would be. he'd be over the moon. I i would expect a large of vegemite. Sounds raise from for some reason. This is your first time listening. Yeah yeah gobble-gobble. Of course my all time favorite now batman down under but. Yeah he has a cold or virus or something doesn't he pointed this out because this happened the last time he talked batman with with being her and he talked batman with me like a week or two ago. Now he's sick again so that's a little every time you talked batman you get sick scott Revenge but yeah. We're me and him record sunday mad if you want to sit in your feedback. I didn't fight well to join us for the scarlet spider episode. But it's like seven thirty yet seven thirty. Am and will doesn't believe in. There's there's an eight seven thirty eight. I defy their your pumpkin. You're punking me. There is no such thing at seven thirty in the morning. I'd be well for makes you feel better. It'll be like nine thirty at night for ray so it's only eight thirty for will. We're dow several. That's right now. Seven thirty six thirty for thirty iraq surely can't exist at seven thirty doesn't exist. That's true. I wanna get up at six thirty on sunday. Don't you who i did. Speak it of the sco one of the books that i pulled out of been today. Forget what it's called. It's like a scarlet spider journal or like a clone journal or something like that. But i haven't yet but it was the osbournes journal. Is it no okay. Or is it like the jackal fouls maybe. I don't know. Listen i can take fouls it's like. Oh there's mary jane watson hubba hubba. He's looking for good comics this week while we all agree later number two i guess came out today but again you know. I get it on wednesday because i'm making two trips to the comic story at green screen. Leonard she'll be out clean up in a number twos up next in the c the closure of the i don't know million with that one own interesting. I don't insert lagat a spiderman guest starring in khazar the savage l. This is a really old up the flash all in. Wow man that's regional barry allen. Yeah death immortal too late. Two hundred three hundred. Yeah it's to fifteen early two hundred. Wow that's pretty awesome. Yeah so my lord grain stacks of the delivery room also in bedtime stories man. That's right. I can say yelled like you. Like reading comics to her belly i. I've read book that offered to but was rebuffed. You guys choice you guys trying to music do have some disney farmer say trying music's i know when danielle was like yelich. She play music owner on laptop in the film kick every time she played music and stuff. I mean we definitely like played music sitting around about the kick into the rhythm or anything. Oh lord babies heard her in that household you know that he was gonna come out and be like. Hey who's here. Who hears from out of town fry of eel the placenta. The there's some risks of pisa there. People actually do that man pasta the regular way. Yeah oh my. But i oh did abe. Anybody watch invincible. The finale was off friday not yet. We haven't even started it in the midst of a few other shows. It's eight episodes but they already renewed for season two and three cool. That's good the news like that sort of gives people who might be on the fence about sand. Somebody just washing multiple shares. You know you. Don't wanna get sucked into a show than have it be one and done after season or two they will. Why even start but knowing that it's gonna go three some incentives but more right. Yeah yeah i mean the enemies is really good. It looks just like the comic. So it's cool. Yeah and the cat you know. You look at a catholic. You low basically everybody in that cows j. k. Simmons is all me again. i said before. I'll say it again. They may and they typecasting with them. Got flaunted i guess. They said that. I don't know i don't know if they're doing like a live action movie that to but i mean you look at some of the stuff they do in this animated series. Like how the hell they gonna do that. Why the action. Where because i i guess you know if they did it steel so i was gonna say man. They did some lot of property damage. In that finale. See i in the way they interact cgi. Now i mean pretty cool. Oh yeah i was just watching. The flash enough one actress was playing different characters. Yes a high right We get to this issue of we tortured. Dial will enough got the synopsis. Like like six paragraphs for cells can say i can read a paragraph. Who could stop and talk about it instead all right so yeah green. Leonard can't its tail with the shiny logo and before you get the article. I read that this was the first comic size dc graphic novel. I don't know if that's accurate but mice barrett is cool. Janet was written by a A predominantly known as nautilus. Sifi larry niven novel writer All right that's remind me when we're done. I want to read some of those notes for interesting. All right so green lantern can't its tail raiders. Larry niven and john byrne pennsylvania. John byrne inker. John byrne colorist. O'grady let someone else do that web and daniel. I'm surprised this isn't on the on the on the dc universe infinite app. I'm like why it's not gerard Get your jones. Yeah it's burn plenty of his other stuff on there. Earned baby burn. It's a one shot with a cover date of november nineteen ninety two It all right. So can't the tells the story of the guardians of the universe in their early days the mall malt weren't vance tracy's their intelligence and powers to study nature they were they were bidding. They were forbidden knowledge of only one thing the origin of the universe unfortunately one man krona became upset. Chronic hits marcona krona became or corona. Yes right avoid. That karenna on frana became obsessed with observing the event. He created the feis that allowed him to view a hand sending the universe's creation in the motion when he attempts to see the face to whom the hand Hongs a bolt of cosmic force shattered his device from kunas From krona's messiah. i don. I didn't look at the beginning of the universe. from krona's mistake came the force of evil. Of course gant that says this story is ally maury povich add krona dna reveal. You're not the father of the universe. Dna a lie detector test. Yes any i was proven to be a lot alright so thoughts on that so far. It's like the first page right. It's like wine to three like i three pages. They i think the i mean they are. They make it literally epic run a slow burn for burn. Burn them. Of course all right so here only do the next one. How jordan wakes to find candidate at his door claiming that he is needed for the rescue of an entire race with a spiff. Tyron just up all fancy they find a low owner boss. They fly to ireland. Were can't it. Explains that what humans call. Leprechauns are actually an offshoot of the cartons and they are now threatened by humanities urban sprawl and civilization. They follow a trail to the last stand of these people but they have fallen into a form of barbarism. The leader of these people seems disinterested with gant. Its invitation to join the green lantern corps but a much older man called percival suggest the how that he wants to join. Can't that is doubtful considering percival's age but a strange experience forces him in the action and he makes the old man. A green lantern aren't the gardens like thousands of year or millions of years. Old like billions right. It was like oh. You're too old chevy. Someone who's who's older than you can't that nobody and i think whole appears like in the trinity series are maybe like one or two appears like six times. I think i saw when i was reading on this earlier today. But but it wasn't like yoga. Leprechaun's an offshoot of the court. That was pretty funny. Unexpected burn and out again will say what david mentioned that again about them. Being leprechaun's be an offshoot of the guardians ever again. Just that person will show up again. It's leprechauns are associated with green true all inter's Together the three fly into outer space as gant. That explains that what they experienced is an anomaly. In time and space. He tells the story of how he himself had recreated creditors mistake but had not suffered the same fate because he did not believe what he saw instead he used an image of the young universe as a reflector onto the truth. About the mall. Tucson's they were violent people who were not as godlike as they claim to be in the legend get it explains that the origin story was a fabrication by the gordons. The mask their most vulnerable moments from enemies. Who would attack with time. Unfortunately krona's crime was not unleashing evil in the world but the f. effects of his efforts to see the face of the crater caused him to connect the end of the universe with its beginning and the entropy from a drink from Nearly one billion years of potential energy from the beginning of time oops sorry the beginning and end of time. I can come back at some point. Perhaps like maybe some rennie some renegade you know when he gets to his zero our our Can't it begins training percival explaining that the threat they face comes from a family of former multi fans doll lack poc poc and owen. The naming of kids tries to stay kids. Da w. l. a. k. i. s. p. o. k. p. o. k. You nailed. it looks like one of them. Australian get care. Some nicknames sound calls him dolly doesn't she the l. y. Or something like that. Shorten down making lace a really nice to say really. I can't yes. But he was an and mary to azamat ron and their two children. They're suddenly attacked by doll. Locke's pox children are theun and chat talk. What is going on percival. Percival is taken out early having not trained enough. How uses a new technique flying at extremely high speeds and firing his ring behind him. The resulting doppler shift causes the green light from his ring to shift to yellow and tore. Not i don't think has ever been used again. I mean should not with learn changing the color to yellow. It's like you know they have you know it's not like well. There's just assuming it's a flashlight normal like coming out of but instead of being willpower energy whatever or or is or you know. Is this a big enough threat. Will really the top lawyer affect turn in that yellow or prepare a lot. I'll wait no. He's he's in there. He is exerted. wasn't that's true. The entire universe about destroyed Now we're gonna fix this. Didn't mention i mean i didn't notice it. I i noticed camp. It's tie green green lantern res- symbol on in the beginning. I i also just noticed for the renault that it changes like every panel is to get different of zion. Every time a tests on his tie mood ring for ties. A green energy construct is our. Is that what we were saying. The agency later just doesn't have time. Maybe burn just got sick of even it's a it's a tie To notice this for like thirty nine years or whatever video card cast exactly Funny so the ring shifts. The yellow door and chat talks green lantern. Ring is destroyed even so how has taken out by dorthe ardian and he can't that are captured. Doll lock pock reveals that. He's the one who created the fabricated universal origin and that he intends to remove it. In order to prevent krona from linking the beginning with the end intends the thrust conan into into the entropy at the end of the universe in order to prevent him from trying again. Is that all Percival returns to consciousness and attacks dorian chat talk. After a lengthy battle of wills percival tricks the boyne the straight through his father's ship which disrupts their plans instead the entropy enters the ship through their devices and consumes doll. Lock his pock. thanks the candidates. Quick thinking he and our saved from the entropy but how has aged significantly door lock. Locke's po- pox wife so war the word char tra- real thinking that at lincoln. That the buck furlough the hidden in you again. I can make fun of these names are completely made up Yes the wife realizes that it was not krona who linked the beginning of the end of the universe. But it was they interfering as they were then that restores. Everyone's used by transferring some years from his own life onto them. Oh and that. So how some guardian entertainment apparel and payroll rule and the warp charge. Tra and dorin chat talk taken to go for trout afterwards. How jordan has reservations about the trustworthiness of the guardians when they're legends are based on lies. Made another twenty five issues. They're going to be like clerk. So and that's it right. Yeah that's it either. You guys think that it's just like star blast brought dan especially that's like sixty five ages Earning they were it. Feels like specially evans fleshing out pretty heavy topics you know that they were dealer either bill to more satisfying conclusion or obviously lead to the possibility of something else Of one shot. But yeah a main. Just it's almost was like reminding us be sure from the eighties for years invested in the emily well all in a day's work restrain credits. Seem like yeah. They wanted to call speaker at the big secret. Here's the secret and we're done although in the notes let's let's Throw this in there. Also all right. I though the lie corner quotas effectively the pre crisis version of events because This wreck because of course is after crisis so we had the red con krona's great crime. Because instead of linking the end the beginning of time pre-crisis will he created the anti matter universe. So yeah with that witness saw in the multi So yeah so since at this point. Dc had no multi-diverse they had the red corner. And say oh yeah. He doesn't link it beginning and end time and killed a billion years. Exactly but you know the antimatter. Universe is appeared with north right. So i i'm guessing no multi-diverse which anti-matter in a pot. Well they kind of have to have an anti matter. 'cause like the people still remember crisis but they don't remember the multi versus just like the you know the anti monitor in the anti matter universe. There's no other universes that's right. I think was cited. That was such a mess. Oh of course the greatest note. How would later use his knowledge at the beginning and end of the universe being linked zero hour in his effort to re reality. We'll get there. I read somewhere else to a lot of people like to as the beginning of how rebelling against the the guardian the origins of parasites here. I don't know that. I buy that because it's just so abroad we never. He never deals with just says. Obviously the thing about it. So okay great. But it's just weird mean. I know it's a great crime that you know the Billion years is basically rob for the universe. But does it really change anybody's life. I mean the art with good and entertaining earn. Was you know definitely his game hours. The arms green. Yeah but i feel like if felt uneven to me like it could have been paid with that veteran we got more of a resolution than what we got it. You know honestly after reading it again in twenty nine years later. Expensive doesn't hold up for me as well as i remembered it being better so i don't know if that's my fault you know or it's doing the re read. I mean yeah. The pacing is a little weird. And it's like i don't know. They seem like they spent a lot of time on leprechaun. He thought that was going to be a big thing. But all it basically did was. Give us percival roper constantly on earth. Okay great and they're actually guardians while malfeasance case. So that in. You're you're destroying. Your planet stopped. Doing that should listen to that thirty years ago but whatever they also skip over a lot of percival's training it goes from like one page to be like. Oh and now. He's fully trained so it's like but that was something that held jordans doing in the other book in the lead up to that he was specifically training recruiting new core members. So it would be a little interesting to see someone especially his unique stature and backgrounds especially if he is descended from a guardian it's like it's always like undercover boss way. Learn the ropes of what it's like to be. And i mean i think that maybe like they wanted to if this was their first time during a comic graphic novel as a company. Maybe they wanted to kind of covered all in their debbie before is really fully cooked especially with the and there's a little larry nevins bio against but he's obviously an accomplished writer that maybe this would have been better as a paperback book which wasn't uncommon at the time. You know it's like a novel just the novel short novel adventurous journ are. Maybe but i feel like that. There could have been affixed some of the pacing issues flesh things out some more or is this. The first time he'd read it man was yup. What's what's your overall. What what grade do you give it. I don't know. I'm linden like c. Plus b. minus. Maybe i think the artwork along way and i did appreciate. There's some fun elements to it. But it just seemed that he can't get himself wasn't enough of a likable character to may just liking came to get pal jordan. Get his help under somewhat. Foggy pretenses just ends up in a up. Well we're hostages. What are we gonna do while. I guess this brand new leprechaun related characters gonna turn into gamely of the cosmos a help us out but there were actions sequences even if they never got used again like the what you referred to earlier with shooting the ring backwards in being able to harness the yellow power. Richner a you'd think would be on the cannot be done lists but i really big play again. I really feel like they were trying to give you the green lantern concept a lot more hard side fight grounding as opposed to fan tactical Explain why fantastical elements. But i mean we are going to get you know getting emerald twilight it in in two years and it all goes away and then we have. I don't know how many universal reboot maybe the rebirth. So i don't even know what universe early were in. I don't know what universe redesign the weird thing. 'cause it's like really really i mean except for the whole krona thing. You really don't mention anything for. I mean like you said personal shows up again. But it's like you have like these proto guardians on earth after emerald twilight. Why in spoilers can't that good earth and try to like evolve or something then. We never hear about them again. It's like roleo ring. Hal number of twilight crunch. But no you know. Aim from quasar. You know the daughters at the end of the issue. And i don't think we ever see her again. You know after z. Swears revenge may still planet service. It's a dish served very cold. Icy isn't she's involved. They cut last couple reboots. Yeah i say his parallel for off panel but there is definitely I mean you kinda alluded to just straight saifi and a little straight fantasy going to their origins are words. Seems like you could be in the token world or something with a little bit of a but on a different planet aspects to this. There's there's not enough current day green lantern. I dunno something that i think would draw the reader's i mean just the presence of held jordan. Do it but it is sort of like. It's like a holiday episode a next generation in our yard and the one thing that i did like was the more. She says other greener coordinate their that makes them militaristic prone to violence. Like that's kind of cool. I liked it. That was our criticism of the core. You know that can make especially as we move forward data come more militaristic. Yeah i mean at the time it was at the time. Dc was really pushing green lantern and strange. Because i don't think they'd ever really done that before and they they didn't do it again. Really until rebirth right and we got that really slow bill to everything happened at riva. So like yeah. This the know. We'll see in these upcoming issues like this. This next two years. It seems like there are lanterns op. Then all of a sudden emerald twilight hits in. It's like we're getting rid of the core. We're getting rid all these other greenlanders going to be one green lantern on site. Okay one guardian. It's like yes. i mean. At the time that this was published there are three green legend books. Cow guy gardner all right. Yeah in iraq and the the greener books right now. Yeah so maybe that. Maybe that's sort of why they're just trying to strike or the iron is hot. That's why it felt a little abrupt at the answer. Them rushed in some parts. Wrote the. I've heard him say it's like they did. The whole cow. Rainer thinks that the on on the book weren't that good. Do you think maybe. Just going with the main green leonard bullock cows. There you got. The guy gardner bulk yet. The mosaic bulk. Like he said yeah. I got the quarterly book. Did they kind of like spread their audience too thin into many different directions. Maybe i think that's really about and i don't know i feel like that. There are things jones wrote about it. Know right after him apply light that at some point he is editor. Does not getting along so it was. I think we saw the quality of a lung of enhanced Right after he was in charge. Is that guys the writer be. He was green energy universe right. Yeah i'm agreement or corner of the universe so win. I think maybe the quality started you know or people got tired of his take on a lot of stories to tell not a lot of other people's getting in that courtroom university. Why so i don't know. But the dc did was nearly drastic in kind of allan hurt. It will certainly unheard of at the time you know. It's one thing to replace your character. They've been doing that forever. Right captain america tone start you can go on and on and i mean i think the whole cow rainer thing. I think they were hoping to do like another wally west. But it's like wally west had been kid flash for decades before he took over lash. Everyone's like okay. That's not however lucien will end and berry win out as hero. Exactly you didn't stick around us dylan. Which kind of another that. That was just kinda crazy like what you're doing. What a character you know make hero. Maybe fifty nine yes. It's been here that long and a lot of people seem to really like at least enough to keep going you know about set amount of time. But we're gonna you know certain cleaning breaking in it was. It was a very weird time to the ring during winter. Do you think these later though. Sure do you think they wanted to like really you know punch at home that it's like yeah house. Come back. so it's either like make him a villain or we kill him outright. They did though. I mean he kinda got his heroes. You know you kinda went out in a blaze of glory final. My then plays night. Recent rebooting the sun. Yes a very strange. Because he's never coming back bucky old white who i. I heard an interview with What's his face up brubaker. Who brought bucky back like you said he was a fan of bucky since like back in the day and he liked brought bucky know he. He wrote the story to bring bucky back in like he was all worried people the fans. We're gonna hate that story. He was like oh my god he's like stanley and bring them back in the sixties people are going to hate me for doing this but then it turned on good speaking of matt. Have you come on back in winter. Soldier Almost i if i had a half hour today to start the last episode so i haven't seen the last half tried to watch it before this but does boilers through. Must've been cool mature. But yeah i mean it's a but it's gonna get it's going to get really strange in the next over the next two years of marriage issues. You know that. I guess will compress down into the next few months right. Yeah i think by the fall. Maybe we'll at the kyle so that's stuff What sam twilight was like episode thirty four. I think they also about twenty weeks four months five months. Yeah so cool so yeah about october. Probably okay some of the weird things in this issue again. Maybe it's like. We're talking about the pacing things but at the on the last page. They say this two are going to go on trial. You know like a joint guardian. The samarinda trowel the so. We never find out what the verdict is. We just know that the verdict will be final. Exactly is that death is at. Banishment is at imprisonment. What is it you know. Live with leprechaun's sir and if you imprison them so you'll never get that quality gold. Oh and like the cover you get. All green lanterns. I mean basically only green lantern gets how how jordan well inland puts green lantern. It's i mean it's a beautiful. i'll give me your that. That that foil on the cover of the are really really nice looking. Oh yeah but they're kind of strange because it is put out there as a reboot of the entire foundation of the green lantern concepts right the origin of the guardians and everything. We'll get to a reported the krona thing since the prices and the universe right but at the end of the day it's referred to in zero hour is referred to probably the dc trinity crossover which india's with the legion and darkstars in the core. But it's kind of just it's weird little thing that's out there all kinds of by itself. We like the action comics weekly. We keep referencing. The one thing this issue but nothing else really. Oh but and where's that now. Is that camp it through one of house playboys. It's kinda what i what does he refer to it as he says. It's like some sort of primitive or something like that but i i love how low power house like. I got to charge by regan camp. It's like oh. I think he'd be ring charcoal time. He's like no no no. I like the ritual. You know better get. It makes sense to get separated. It's like oh guess what you're out of power outlets true. That's like implore. It's like a computer program being like this automatically saves but like say i'm going to do the old control re and resulting. I mean if they really wanted to go humorously you know you can't. They would have been like yeah. Keep your ring charge. And how just sticks his ring. The camp that's headed bright day or blackest night a power. He's wasting changes tie refined. He's could be that reliable. A you know we never this was. I don't think given was ever really involved anymore after this. I am here in his name anywhere else. Yeah and i don't think burn ever return to green manner that i know of right. You know that's not not any meaning. I i mean if he did it. It was probably like a once. Maybe a one shot. I don't know if even did. But yeah i mean this is the point too. Wasn't he hopping back and forth between dc and marvel. This is a little bit I was a little bit surprised that they were. They did the little bio on the back page that they mentioned burns work in their fantastic or just because i feel like one company would mention the other. Now pretend they're very aware and as the reader but it's like if you're watching the wwf in the wcw at the same time you know one even though wrestlers would go back and forth you would never hear. their past. Accomplishments acknowledge earn their present employer. Burn. did he had a run on wonder. Woman did yes dude patrol. He did the jacker before world stuff he did a lot of. Dc work But he didn't marvel to because he did. I got fantastic. Four west coast avengers Alpha flight on so he's he's done so much work about openings out the hulk. Yeah i mean it's it's just strange that this is the only green greener. I think that he did may have showed at the nightclub. Batman superman generations or something like that but it wasn't yeah agreement book right continuity. Yeah but oh yeah. hey kids. Some avowed burns fenders gone up in value. Because you know he was. He was the one who had the vision ripped apart and put back together as white vision nine. Oh my god. It's the funniest norfolk at what is used as a forty five or forty six just. Us agent like yelled. Put some clothes on so anything else on this again. The arts screen just the charge is bringing stuff but yeah the panel. He's flying backwards and fire his ring. I still remember that from reading it. That's kind of cool looking. Oh yeah i think. I think matt made the point. It's like yeah art bums to story up a little a little more. Because of the art wasn't great one input would be more focusing more on those some of those dangling plot threads and it's something that is it's weird that it's something that really core foundation of the university time but it doesn't really change anything for anybody that doesn't really get referred to it's not promoted as foundational chain these years a green lantern book right. I just wanted. It's kind of forgotten. I was gonna say i wonder if that's because the gerard wayne wanted. Don't want to touch stuff in this story. Which is the at two years later in. You know kinda gone. Yeah yeah and it's just thailand. I don't know if they do threatened zero hour because hell knows let's slow. Yeah completely forget about it but basically it's just it's just weird. It's weird kind of kind of makes you wonder. How did this come to exist. Because it's such oblique different bang. That doesn't look like one of these. Things is not like the other areas where the heck did this thing come from. Why does it exist okay. Here's a question for you. Well since you've read so much screen land or do you think like the character. Even like the franchise really get the respect. It deserved at least until geoff. Johns took over just because again. It's like the action comic stuff. We hardly ever mentioned anything from that. Except for mature we hardly mentioned anything from this except you know like in the beginning of the time zero hour. It's like well you know. I think i really think emerald twilight got this book. Press got green and a lot of press. And i think that Ron morris did a good job writing green lantern kyle for an insane number of issues. But i feel like image. Twilight tore away a lot of really ruin unique things that i loved about reminder. Just how you know. But core history old these days. And i'd be no sorry i was gonna say. Do you think they like did. Those changes brought whokey`le thing. Just because they were trying to make the character more relatable because he was more earthbound than how the others were. Yeah well i think it was. Thing is probably calculated that they wanted a they wanted to jettison all that all that heavy heavy back story that all the method in the center of the universe and blah blah blah and all the sectors. And all that stuff. Oh yeah definitely. Huge jumping on point. I feel i got a it was a good book. I mean there'll banks on the art and halston mar a really good job on the riding. We'll talk about bridgeport until later. But until we get there yet to get there. But i feel like they admitted generic in doing that stripping away all those things made him superhero. You know just a superhero. Not not a science fictional panic construct like we saw e. dot smith bowlen's men or which have a huge influence on remainder or from the fiji where they may debuted. But i think morris is a long time since i've read this. I could be wrong. But i think you see mars after her over the first year starting to slowly a dressy a lot of greenery backstory concepts. Things that were associated with the larger kurin in this science fictional backstory starts feeding those things back in in your finally after ten years in one hundred. Thirty thirty issues like that. Plus the circle of fire. Crossover put all that stuff Time was right for rebirth. Happening in the interim you had at held during zero hour parallel villain thing. Us venue had a final night. Redac- replaces often son to come to the using becomes the specter. Like that was like somebody was drunk. And said hey. Let's take this go do that now. But again i mean maybe that was the formula for mars assistant success. Because it's like you basically take the concept down zero. It's like okay. This dude gets a ring okay. Nothing else battery and ring. Pick up from there yeah. I'm really looking forward to seeing to reading those issues again. Because at the time. I was like they just took away. My favorite your own mental villains. Why was definitely invested but You know i. I do question the question the me of all those years ago because now these some of these books stand up and some of them. Don't see see. See if you're still that same. Same brash young man. who's gonna tattoo his kids. That's right her. I'm still going to do that. the also final thoughts. Mr kona hit us it. It did not feel like work to read it when it went by pretty fast for like sixty five pages and range. I enjoyed the artwork. And the that's not. My criticisms are noted earlier. But you know it was. It was it was i liked when i like one shots in little detours from the norm ends coal to talk about it. Especially in a historical context of where green lantern is. A book was in his in the universe at at this point in time. And you're right. What was going on kinda cool that they trusted them. Your trust in greenland says a character in our nevins than burn were were not a Regular on them even looks at that point. Anyway try to do something new and different insert. You missed one. Hundred percent of the shots. Don't make me yeah. You think maybe they were like looking the you know they're like okay. Let's give them a living in burnish shot science fiction writer burn. You know he's writing fantastic four. For how many years you know. Let's let's see what they can turn out. Maybe there's something we can use here. And i guess you know maybe for the most part they're like ties and green. Our is yes. This was all part of the historical context of green lantern. That gets us where we are today with. A new series getting launched last month. Number two coming out this week. They won't so you're at louis. Nisa hundred percent of the shock. She don't take and there's a lot of shots they hit Intervening almost a maria agreed. 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A talk about Conservatorships with Lawyer Giselle Quintana
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Have you guys ever wondered what type of law protection or rights people have when dealing with mental health issues and or having family members with mental health issues or disabilities. I thought this episode would be perfect as there has been a lot of attention around brittany spears lately and all of her finances who's running them and her bipolar disorder. Here with us. I have a lawyer by the name of just sulking donna who actually were specifically with individuals trying to figure out conservative ships who are dealing with mental health issues and our family members of mental health issues and disabilities. And i'm sure she'll let us know what other situations people dealing with. I'm super excited about this conversation. Because i honestly don't have too much knowledge on this topic so i can't wait to learn with you all and i actually used to work at an inpatient which is where i started my internship in school and i remember that like a lot of people had issues with like their rates and like who was going to help them. That's unfortunately how some people end up homeless and things like that so i'm excited to learn a little bit about this as the nose suspended. Podcast that guada- soglio safes empty glorious less over to th oreos league list on just talking donna. This is a canton Podcast season four episode six. And this is talk about conservatory. Ships with just selke donna to start at last. I'm going to let just sell introduce herself. Tell us a little bit about herself in her work. And then we can start with the questions and our conversation for premadasa Knows the St to lows in oregon percents almost cholesterol wanted Hide just cell has going almost us beyond being yossi Thank you very much for having me here. I'm doing well i'll some. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. Where do you work your titles. Any fun fact. You wanna share so. I am an attorney. I've been practicing since two thousand twelve. So i went out with a ahead sorted that it is in those windows. Shit on the second militants. Cynthia leeson's yada Own diploma rachel. Dot corrado E the thing it'll be seena and on the available much-acclaimed This get the i mean. e- those eating scorn these cups so i had my own practice in two thousand twelve and I see clients that have children and adults loved ones. Family members that have certain types of disabilities developmental delays mental health. That kind of thing. Okay thank you. And where are you located. Where's your practice. So my practices in orange county. Mostly but i do see a lot of san bernardino riverside clients so i actually have a satellite office out there that uncle now the orange. Biddle that and mutuals mateus romania this an an canal. San bernardino riverside senior baking. Does the with me. And i go see us for zoom on espn facto. That's awesome good information to have. I'm in san diego. But i'm originally from la so there's a law between the three counties and it's awesome to have those services around in available for sure. Well why don't we get started. So the first question is what area of law d- specialize in even though you already shared a little bit. And how do you help the latino community as a lawyer in the field and idea that it'll say especially lisa goma ula latina gauguin. Okay so obviously. Starting english and then i'll end in spanish so i practice pro with a call. Probate law so conservative ship falls under probate matters. So there's civil court criminal court and then there's probate court and then there's traffic and all that good stuff. So i fall under the probate court and this is where all the mental health cases stand under the probate court under what they call conservatives ship and this is where an adult would obtain the legal authority to make decisions on behalf of another adults that is not able to do so because of their disability. Whether it's an addiction Whether it's a developmental delay whatever type of mental health condition that render them. Unable to help themselves they want the court would actually grant a conservative giving the other adult a the ability the right to make decisions on behalf of that adult and in their best interest I also do wills trust states that correlates with that because people need to plan and make sure that their loved ones are taken care of not only themselves if they become themselves become ill but also the loved ones that have that disability. 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Mental health and mental health conservative is usually initiated by psychiatrist when that person is either on a fifty one fifty. They're in a mental ward. And after about. I believe it's fourteen days i may have to look this up. The psychiatrist would refer them out to a conservative shift and the public garden take over and then if the family members want after thirty days they can become conservatories after the public. Ardian releases it to them. So that's how Those conservative ships are categorized at a so. In other words there there are specific to the type of mental health disorder. So addiction is one of them under the mental health conservative ship. amended dvd And guada- in the i'm the dallas ladder matches dick as mental health conservative ship. Ss like that knows. Daddy's yawn you that Us This a Could than gravel savita can not They went on my nigga son. 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So i was just saying was that I practice in the area of of the different types of conservative ships senate previously described A lot of the families especially in the latino community feel that they don't need to plan they don't need a trust you don't need a will and so what happens is that they come come about and they They leave their affairs unorganized and so if they become sick or they pass away their loved. Ones didn't have to take the burden of figuring things out where my passwords. How do i pay her cell phone. How do i pull his that account. How do i fix. How do i pay the rent. How do i pay the mortgage. Why because the the family the person that that didn't plan a trust or will Left pretty much nothing and so when that happens and the the people who survived that person or maybe the person became ill especially nowadays with cova. If you're in the hospital who's who's going to take care of your bills. You need a power of attorney. You need a healthcare directive. You need a trust or will depending on what you have so it doesn't matter if you're rich or not. A lot of people think that having a trust and his for the the wealthy. But it's really not if you own a house if you're making payments on a house you need to have addressed because your house will go into probate an. It's a lot more costly for your family members. It's a loss marcotte. A lot more costly for those who are left behind to try to fix the mess so we wanna make sure that we plan especially if you have kids that are whether they're minors are not with disabilities. You wanna make sure you plan Special needs trusts pawning because they may lose their public benefits if they don't plan if the families don't so The kinds of disabilities. That i work with the kind of client that comes into mouth is mostly on a limited conserve ship which focuses on developmental. Delays is autism. Epilepsy policy fragile x there's Down syndrome Different types of disabilities that would affect their development at the onset of birth or any time before. They're they're eighteenth birthday And then also there's a where there's the dementia conservative obviously to deal with patients that come in with dementia Family members bring their parents in and they saved my mom and dad need a trust is kind of too late once. They have dementia at that point. We're gonna need a ship right so don't wait till you get dementia to your family members. Get dementia get them. How ya get them in the office. When they're still of sound mind. I have a little bit of a healthcare background have a pre nursing degree And i also have a healthcare administration degree. So sometimes i use that and i worked at While we memorial hospital. I worked at children's hospital orange county i use my healthcare background In my practice of law. Because i kind of noticed that there is an adult as maybe at the onset of dementia i send them for an evaluation right away to make sure that they still have sound mind to create a trust. And if they don't then we're gonna need to move onto a conservative ship which is more costly. Obviously it's more lengthy. We have to go to court that kind of thing so it's obviously better plan plan ahead right So i deal with patients with dementia patients. That may have gotten in a car accident in our in a coma or maybe they had a stroke. Who's taking care of their bills. Their finances it only depends on who you left Appointed in your planning documents in your state money in your trust in your will and your power of attorney so That's pretty much it. As far as what types of conditions. I work with a pretty much a big range right. There are some cases that come into my office where family members have loved ones schizophrenia. Bipolar disorder Or even even a a very severe depression so It just really depends on the situation. It's a case by case basis In i evaluate them. If i'm not sure. I send them to the doctor to get evaluated while that was very informative. It's i mean there's so much like when you said you know not waiting until you have dimension not wait until you go into a coma like people. don't think about that stuff My mom passed away from cancer a few years ago and i remember like when she was diagnosed everyone started telling her like. Oh you got to make sure that you get an affidavit and do this and do that and where are you going to end. We were like whoa like. We're just thinking about the diagnosis but we have to think of those legal preparations and you don't think about it until like something happens and sometimes unfortunately in some cases like an accident or something the person does go into a coma and then everyone's like what do we do next. So it's crazy like we don't think about that stuff. Thank you for that answer Our next question is why is it. Important for parents who have children slash loved ones with disabilities or mental health issues to be aware of legal planning for their children but guessing potent but lost by their skin and equals a al-sadis goes Illumine thile sterile tanto de la blending fica alabama's seacoast and in that question. I also item. Put it in here. But i was thinking about as you were speaking what happens for example people with mental health. Issues like schizophrenia. And stuff like that Does the individual Have to give like permission for the parents to practice for them. Or maybe you can in your answer just kind of throw that in there. I'm just curious like how. How do they get permission. If if the person feels like for example this whole Britney spears thing right like but in a regular person. The person's like no teen. I have my own rights and i'm coherent all figured out but it's very obvious and clear that they're not and that their mental health issues really affecting them. How does the family help them. Or how do that like. How do they fall into place. Sorry i know it's so much other really good questions because in order for someone to give permission like you and i you can create a power of attorney you can sages giselle going out of the country for two months takeover my bills by house if you if you want to invest. Here's my money. Here's access to all my counts. You understand what you're giving me right. You understand a media authority for the next two months to access your accounts to buy a house to do to invest to do whatever i need to do but what happens when they have meant to help them. They don't know what's best for them. This is where a conservative comes in. They can't really plan because they'll never give it to you through an estate planning document. Bill they won't appoint you as their their power Their asian underpowered. Attorney wanna point. Us trustee they wanna point you as executor of their estate right so if you see that a person's not giving you that authority but you you feel based on their medical condition and their medical reports that they need some type of help. That's where conservative ship would come in. And that's where a person would petition the court and say look. This is why. I believe this person needs the conservative And they would prove based on doctors know what kind of disability they have that kind of thing and then the judge based on the doctor's report based on the investigator's report would make a decision whether to grant you that authority right and yet even in that scenario that the person under the conservative ship which is called the conservative even in that scenario the person the conservatives still has rights so they can object to you becoming a conservative. Which is i believe is what's happening here with britney spears she's objecting she has right right so sometimes what the court will do is what they will assign a guardian at light him to step into the shoes of that person when it becomes too contentious. That's something that may happen in the brittany spears case. Is that a guardian ad-litem may come in and say you know i'm going to do what's best for for the conservancy. So if i think that she needs to be under conservative she will be right across. Guardian light of is different from an attorney. Because an attorney's gonna defend you no matter what so. The way i was trained was If if my client wants to eat chocolate cake for the rest of her life even though it's not healthy for her as an attorney. I'm an advocate chocolate cake for the rest of her life right but a guardian ad lion is different because the garden. Light him even though the garden at leiden is also an attorney. The garden ad-litem on wednesday. Great you want chocolate cake the rest of your life. But that's not good for you. So i'm not gonna do it. I'm not an advocate for that. So i'm going to recommend to the court that you don't eat chocolate cake that you'll eat at once once a week and that you have salads for dinner and chicken and salmon and whatnot right. That's how that works. So they can still object to the conservative but but when it becomes too contentious court will actually A point guard invite him to make the decision to step into the shoes of that person. Yeah so Translating that into spanish locust style though is the one the one episode. Not nokia that Loaded up gail setup persona on his Look at boston. Assists in ninety is gets noticed on. Dando la la. Tony upward Ed and sits on the end. That guests necessarily god godless Persona stein and do the Now new and his eyes on the deal locally. I'm unending bless conservative ship. 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And i'm just thinking you know mind running like there's a lot of homeless addicts. Most of them deal with mental health issues. I understand that some families unfortunately just give up and kinda let him be but does does that kind of play the same like can you prove to the court. That addict is incapable of caring for themselves or making decisions of their own. Or is that taken differently so that would fall under the mental health conserver ship and in that river ship. That's a really good question because that mental health server should is quite different from the other three. The other three can be initiated in court by a family. Member could be a parent a sibling. A child if they help parents with dementia it could be a private attorney representing these family members and asking the court to appoint them as conservators but when it comes to addictions they went fall under what they call the mental health conservative the image c. or the s. conservative ship. And what the way that that. One works is at the person if they're the street or maybe someone called because they had a gun and they were threatening to kill. Maybe they were taken on a fifty one fifty right And they were. I don't know if you want to explain what a fifty one fifty is yet. no Well we've done it in other episodes but if you want to weekend well it's okay basically. They're taking the mental ward on because they need to be restrained for whatever reason and so if there's someone on the street that has an addiction that's being Maybe disruptive to the public. Maybe the police may take them into the mental ward. And then at that point. If there's a certain amount of days that have to pass before psychiatrist would say okay. This person can't be decision. You conservative. bright This mental health conservative is initiated by the psychiatrist and then it's given to the public guardian takeover so each county has a public garden. That conserves different types of individuals. And that's where the the individual with the addiction would fall. This person still has rights. They can defend themselves and say. Don't want a conservative I can handle my own affairs but this is where the battle comes in where the public guardian would would refer to what the psychiatrist said in the first place and then the judge would decide based on the reports came out. That's how the mental health when works and then the conservative would then put them in a rehab would do. What's in their best interest right to over right. And the the mental health concerns ownership is not permanent. It's renewed every year as opposed to the other three general the dementia and the limited conservative which are permanent not renewed there for the life of the conservative Look in though is dick it less persona addicts eunice guy Knuckle delegate seek lessening glasses. 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Biddle norte de la la corden. On moment as he known garden at light says feels okay so now question three for. Why is it important for parents to have their children. Loved ones with disabilities Issues to be aware of legal pining for their children with every family member. You don't want to leave a child whether they have a disability or not on dirk for right if you have a child and you start thinking about you know what if i get a carson. I don't come home was gonna take care of my kids k. I think there's a movie called life as we know it. And oh yes and the the parents died and they left this couple that they thought they would go would fit well together. They left their daughter a with this couple and they left it on the will. And that's why it's important applying because you wanna make sure that your kids are taken care of whether they have a disability or not now because they have a disability. There's a little more of a heightened level of the need to take care of these affairs reason being is because they're more dependent on you and also they receive certain public benefits that you don't want them to lose if you don't leave things. In order example. Have a house. Both parents pass away on a date night to you know it's coming home in a car accident. God forbid that house. Even though it's not paid off it goes into probate. Somebody has to petition the court for a probate and then the kids would receive whatever's left on the equity in the house so let's say after paying off debts and expenses and funeral expenses and after paying taxes on the house and bills There's a hundred thousand dollars left right if there's one child with a disability and one child with not with no disability. Then you know both of them were going to get fifty fifty. I'm not too concerned with the child that doesn't have the disability. But i am concerned on the child that does have the disability. Because if there's no special needs trust than the fifty thousand dollars go straight to that child. They would lose all public benefits. They'd have to spend that money and then reapply but we all know that assign medicare doesn't cover life living expenses too much right so you wanna make sure that you you have them covered by having a special needs. Trust done so that. Ssi and make can touch special needs just because it's a third parties money. It's mom and dad's money. It's not that jobs money right at medico. catch it. So what happens is they continue to receive. Ssi medical as an example. And they still have the fifty thousand. That may be accumulating interest. And then they can use that. You know if a sibling wants to take them to hawaiian and medicare lobbies is not gonna cover a hawaii trip right. What do they do. They take a thousand dollars off the special needs. Trust count and they take them to hawaii it just it just fulfills. They're living it up laments. 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Yeah yeah that's very true I like that example. The one of the house. I think it puts a very well for people to realize that like like you said i mean the child would know disability would eventually grow up be eighteen years old and they might not be as responsible with money at that age but they'd be able to figure out what to do with it and use it towards living in comparison to somebody with disability who's also receiving benefits so it's a good way to to break it down so thank you for that My question number four is what advice. Would you give those listening. Who my need to figure out. legal planning. Do not even know where to start on lizzy as hello skiffs gucheng benefit. Benefica's leg. i'll bet on niece seek it us On them possession on every meant bosso is within your those three thus lincoln muscian advances. That been the end. The to gas on your list. Monday for our for yet those informacion and find your alone. Inglis within layer langford. For on the ben dependent lebron takami medium meant within madan email or lebanon valueless component for masculine seeking us at seat back when on the weather and i said me numerous norway secret Settle settled a single lethem Email contact on contact. Con tac t seo anna they asset then at legacy dash lawyers com is in a hit is says eds alenia civilisation alenia lawyers alleluia Calm but whether your mind among the romans hit this Respond opponent for messiaen gaels Okay perfect awesome And will the last question was that. Can people retail t for questions with this topic if so where can they reach out to you. is see those customers clues john doe aleppo the fact that equal So ama Information nathan In instagram facebook when the island formation delpy silvio e lupone lope bondra in la idea the comments and cuando publicly episode. Yo and on the Scooter and so i- easter i assume for muscian tambien. Thank you so much cell. Is there anything else. You'd like to add anything else. You think could be helpful. I mean i think they can also get information. Disability rights of california. They can get information there on conservative ship and that kind of thing and naturally disability rights california also has my information so they can even direct them back to me as well. Okay awesome cool. Will wind up with me. Hand fails they hold on a second recessio- and i hope you guys enjoyed this as much as i did. It was really informative. Thank you so. I love how you broke everything down. I think it made it very understanding for people and it really makes you think. I don't have kids yet myself but i always do just kinda wonder i have siblings and like i said earlier both of our parents have passed and thankfully my mom did leave some stuff prepared where i finish raising them but none of us. Have you know like any extreme disabilities. But i can only imagine you know how hard it would be for people in that case Which has good. Ics is for being here for taking the time in having this conversation with us. Thank you all for listening to this episode. I hope it was helpful and informative in please do not hesitate to reach out to just sell if you guys need any information or help. This is what we're here for. People that are bilingual and work with the komo news. We want to help. And so that's why we do these episodes. That's why i have this show. And that's definitely why people like her come on here so do not hesitate to reach out look always ending list. is denied. Iguana struggling does getting winning for my song contacted annoym- which has personas beating gay. Diana defendant this process yunus killers. Will you larry claro s when they a but noise to show but are no system for mass john so oh kupuna an league abducting leverage way you that Thank you all for listening. This is where will leave your hope. You all are doing great. I know that there's a ovarian thinks coming on so let's deal with their mental health. The best way that we can take a breather and hope that things turn out okay. Ecobill sampadoria geis's proceed is channel osama las abrasive Thank you so much. If anyone is interested in sharing their story know of anyone that is simply episode ideas or anyone that you would suggest to come on the show. Please contact me. You can email me at a novels. Fam- at djamil dot com or reach out to maybe a instagram or facebook seattle go. The status is stunning details. nagging gay lois Either ashby so the also gonna get Electrical antonio's family dot com oklahoma. Got sick when migo at that. I've is a answering Facebook Yoursel i the also the Recording his title masters pulled or not a son in fordham intend Ultrasound media guessing authentic because keep in for marilyn use turkey. I mean but a senate low south status madonna said. It's a pleasure to serve you all and like i said get this word out. A lot of people don't know about planning especially planning for adults and children with disabilities. It's really important. That's what we're here for to inform me to update you and just to help you out so let's spread the word. Yes thank you so much for that. Thank you guys again. Until next time i still a proxima thank you bye bye.
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Time Capsule Episode 105
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What what is going on with the warehouse there was it was a clip that I've been running on my site with you and Ardian Oh boy, it's a heavy seen. Season four was. Our darkest story line yet and it. It gave Saul Rubin an opportunity to really show his his colors as the the gifted performer that he is, and it was it was it was fun, and it was also emotionally taxing for us to go through that as the little dysfunctional family that we are so backup of season for is all about healing from what he's done. trying to reverse this plague. He set out into the world and thinking a lot about mortality We deal with that in in our overarching plot for these last ten episodes our guest cast is phenomenal and the fan boys and girls will really I think geek out for our big recurring characters this. Hope Kate mulgrew comes down. So do I, she actually. We've party together every time. She's in Toronto research kindred souls. Yes, she's great. She's terrific show. He's just really devolved. I mean it was. It was a fun show, but I thought you guys really took it to another level after. You know we're we're very blessed with. An imaginative and competent writer's room a show runner. Who is so incredibly collaborative hands on and. Open to finding things onset. If there's if there's a joke, that's one of US comes up within the blocking. He'll take it and run with improve upon it. Support it, We have an incredible production team in Toronto just makes the show what it is and and. And as with any long running series, I can call us long. Running now is at the end of season four Personalities really seep into the characters and and and season arcs, and that's been a really wonderful variance. Getting Brent spiner last year was cruel to isn't threat. And the funny thing about that was that rent and saw go way back to theater in the seventies, and of course the their their turn on star, trek together, so it was really fun to see them. Go Toe to toe. Here's there's more pain coming up. It come to the season as far as what we're GONNA. See Right off the bat. Sure I mean there's there's a price for everything. Right we. We really explored the first half of of season for the downside of artifacts. With Claudio. Resurrecting Johnson and consequently having to connect and disconnect him from the metronome. With every risk there is there is the possibility for greater pain, but that's why we saved the World Day right. It was really cool. Is You've got to see the birth of an artifact? One of my favorite little moments. It wasn't a big storyline but I thought it was so such a moment of richness for the show's mythology, as it was really fun, and also I got to spend a couple of days with C. C. H. Founder, which is you know, definitely a bucket list item great hope to see at San Diego. Right. Then recently I participated in a press conference with Eddie McClintock's Joanne. Kelly and show runner Jack Kenny. A lot of fun was had hi. Guys got great to talk to you again after seeing last summer in San Diego. One Hey. Hey wanted to ask you guys about the new time slot. is that because the show is kind of taken a darker turn and embracing the humor, and the darkness is that time Slot GonNa. Help her help. You proceed along those lines well this this is probably gonNA come as a shock, but they don't ever ask us what time slot we'd like to. So. We never get there really really to say and and and I. Don't think it's A. It's a response to the to the darker storyline and we did last season because I we you know in terms of all their research. People seem to really enjoy that so I. Don't know if it's response to that. my my honestly my only concern about it because I. don't I don't know I don't know the last time I watched something when it was actually on. So. I don't know the time slots matter anymore. most of the shows. A record I don't know when. I. Just I know there's a show I wanNA. Get like I watch it and they all look. There's a new game of thrones like on the show I watch that now. I don't know that the time, so it's going to have much much of an effect except for hopefully be great huge number of people that will be tuning in live next Monday night at ten o'clock Did you catch show and then hopefully they'll just stay up late to watch it. I don't know I I. Don't know because it hurts or helps anymore I think. especially the show it's been on for a while. Know people just people just type it into their dvr and grab it, but that is, but let me let me add to that. Please please please watch our show. Live Monday night, and at least for the next three weeks or numbers are huge and we get picked up. please. He's watch it live I'm because I think that they have the premier up on. The website. Is that correct? You can watch it. On demand on Hulu. Oh. Yeah so I. Guess It's a I, guess we. We really need the people who support the show to tune in on that day even if you just turn it on and walk around in the background. To tune in to support the show for for real the. Thank. You guys I'm glad you still Jamie Murray from defines for a little bit there now it was kind of neat and I actually watched warehouse thirteen on my kindle. So you know I always catch. Jamie's coming back episode fifteen of the next ten. Oh Cool! Cool! Yes, yeah, a really great story line with her. Pete and Mike on a on a chase that we kind of find out where we ate. She ended up and what she's doing, and is she happy doing it? Great. It was directed by Jennifer. Lynch David Lynch's daughter we. Have There's some really really nice moments with my gotTa during the preferred. I really really enjoyed it. It's worth checking out. One of the best things you guys did was having HDL's as woman fantastic I loved. Thank you guys, thank you. I. Just not me, thank you. That's just Jackson can't. Thank you can. Group thank you. Go. There what a great bunch of folks at Warehouse Thirteen, my favorite warehouse I'll forgo my dvr habit and watch this coming. Monday live at ten PM. Following another great show defiance. There's more SCI FI, talk, but first. Let's take a little break here. Normally I talk about the Fi talk. Normally I talk about the sci-fi talk cap on that APP for the iphone in Detroit. You can see bonus video materials. There's three video features on oblivion and one coming up on iron, man, three and of those features are exclusive and feature clips from oaths, respective movies from oblivion and iron, man, three and a big announcement next week on sci-fi Talk. That'll be really cool on spotlight today. We're GONNA go to the red carpet and TRIBECA Film Festival in New York City. I had a chance to spotlight some of the John Movies and the filmmakers and actors to keep an eye on. I stop his Frankenstein's Army an interesting take on the legend with his grandson. Taking over the family business I spoke to the film's director Richard Rep Horst for this film hits. It's its own standalone film. It's not based on your previous web. Word that desk correct. Yes, it is, and as far as. You know this. What's interesting to me? Is that you actually sketched out a lot of the designs of the creatures ahead of time, and then you went to unreal and said this is what I WANNA do and. Described that process a little bit and how that went? IT'S A. Real, very long time. So I! Enclose in real in a very early stage of development and I was sending them sketches to see what is. Possible. Or not if he will do only practical effects because that was our main. Goal my our goal. And I just started to projects exactly what I saw in front of me. And I sent it to unreal and I think ninety percent of the designs. Talk about your cast. His per Carl's portrayal of Victor I understand isn't going the traditional a Victor Frankenstein way. Yeah Carol portrayed defector of Frankenstein of the grand grandson, but it. We are going to do a completely one eight on that character. What what I like to do is. If you know exactly. Why are you WANNA end? You have a lot of freedom to investigate what possibilities? And cut over Dan such a rich. mind. That was really eager to look at what s his ideas about his character, and a lot of his identity wrapped around the character. Bitch is being written in script, and from when we started doing that, it started to grow, and he became. Something totally unique and on its own. It's absolutely comparable to any of. Traditional Francs, character Reno so far, and that's exactly what I want to have. Our next film is Mr. Jones, an interesting movie were a couple on a vacation spot, a man who lives near their cabin in the woods and the mysterious things that he does. Here's the film's director. Karl Mueller. There are some Nice. Hand held stone that goes in one scene that I got. Now I'm sure you had to coordinate that with your actors. They were in the right place. Because there's literally one scene where the camera moves from her to him for dot so I mean. Explain kind of the planning process to do all of that. Run. Things run smoothly the movie Sort of different styles in it, but. In in especially in the beginning, some of it's being filmed by the. Characters the character. In this movie. From other found footage movies that we sort of try to pound him as being a pretty sophisticated documentary filmmaker who? Almost a little pretentious, we sort of go for that style. A little bit, and the conceive became up with is that he had mounted gopro camera basing himself as he was filming stuff, and he's as he sort of exploring new places, so we had to. You know we've I. WE would film in one direction might would have at hand hand-held held and do certain moves, and then John who was operating that cameras. The actor plant Scott. He would have to then recreate those moves one with the camera that he was operated putting themselves. And also give it performance at the same time which is. I can't I don't know how he did it. 'cause I couldn't even remember the cameras myself much less. He was amazing. And next up an interesting sci fi film called the machine about making the perfect robotic fighting machine in our own image. Here's The star. The up and coming actor Katie lots the make up. Process of machine was difficult. I had full body makeup because we wanted to freckled, and we wanted to cover the freckles so I had to do everything, mine, tire, body, covered and makeup, and the hair to look into different so I had to bleach. My and I had to go back and forth between the characters bazaar scheduling was difficult so I, couldn't we had to make a completely different with being able to go back and forth and The machine always very slicked back with Davis like softer of hair down. Try to keep those differences, but in no makeup I think took like. Hour and a half like at least two hours every day now was your contact lenses involved to know that I. There's certain times I think. We do a little bit CGI with the ice 'cause but we wanted not all the time I know like The director was you know very particular about the moments win to use CGI GI and when not? The theme it you know man for man versus machine in science fiction is like one of the oldest. Teams out there. How did you guys approach that? I know that they're trying to make the perfect soldier in one of your characters, and he was having a Toby Stevenson characters having a problem, and he brings you in as the expert. So how did this film kind of tackle that issue a little bit? I think it really kind of dive into the question of like. What are we dealing with here and the fact that we don't know? And creating these things all the sudden it's they're smarter than stronger than acid. Is that a good idea? Is it a bad idea and The machine offers like an interesting look at it because she's almost more human than everyone else because she comes in very unjaded. Vulnerable you know naive and it's almost a beautiful human, and then slowly it starts to. Human ways she has to protect yourself and realize like people are bad and can be bad and becomes less human than how she normally was, and I think it's. Interesting question is what we're doing. Right is wrong and where's IT GONNA lead us, and I think change is inevitable so it. It's going to happen, so it's up to be ready for it. She played the dual role of the expert in Asia the machine. I think she's definitely an actress to watch. Raises an interesting film in that features, great cast and Rosario Dawson Zoe, Belle and Doug Jones. Who Star in this movie about women who are kidnapped and forced to fight to the death to save their families Doug. Jones told me about his character. Really Nasty Guy. Toss about this guy. Joseph is a the patriarch. The leader of this elite society, of people. Very! Lots of money lots of prestige lots of hype positions of power in society and in the community. And, we abduct women off the street and make them fight each other to the death as a cultish sort of religious experience. I think so It was A. What a weird mindset to find yourself in! My character Joseph was born into this. It's it's been a family tradition since. Early days of Greece and it's been passed down from through my family line all this way. That's that's what I was told. So So being born into it I see nothing wrong with it. It's always brought up and it is sort of like my family's religion. So the blood is an unfortunate side effect, but. For us to celebrate the victor, it's all about that womanly spirit that that that would do anything to protect the ones. She love that we celebrate the lion lioness in every woman. Well the motivation of course is that you essentially, even though the families are free, you hold them Kinda hostage. Because they're in your during your Bolsa. We're have all the families and all the loved ones. Each, each woman that we abduct has either a daughter, a son boyfriend husband grandparents, whatever is close to them that we are also under surveillance. If the woman refuses to fight or loser, fights boom, their family goes to. There's a lot at stake, and that's what pushes them to fight each other because you. Innocence off the street. You're not going to get them to kill each other unless their families are gonNA. Get off right so I think so. What what seems like a gratuitous? Action movie with hot chicks. Tank tops each other to the death. It's not as action driven as I thought it was going to be because the psychology and the emotional layers to each one of these women. And the constantly go through is heartbreaking, and also in even the villains Mike Character. He's got his own backstory in his own loves and fears and. Desires that are explored, so everyone is really well rounded character in this piece of nonsense yet. What seemed like? But. It's A. It's a very very rich movie. Additionally, Doug will be irregular. This season on falling skies. June ninth on TNT, starts the new season three of falling skies. Alien on the show I'm the new species that landed at the end of season to resolve the cliffhanger. So I have a series regular now and I I bring quite a story with me, so you'll, you'll see an entire arc and the question. The season three starts with our friend or foe. This new species tackling you don't know, and I'm not gonNa tell you of course. We. We look friendly I'll tell you that much. I will say that we've seen it all right. That's a good answer. Now I just saw a promo with my wife on falling skies tonight Kinda got impression I know he's going to be either friend or foe. I already know based on the Promo that I saw, but that's the way things are TV gives things away. It's hard to keep a secret. And lastly fresh meat is a hard comedy from New Zealand which seems to be showcasing quite a bit of talent lately and on the red carpet. I spoke to the film's director Danny. This is a wild movie. That's why I'm here. Because it was just like the trailer was awesome terrific. Do a really good job in the trial of mainland is in the TRIBECA crew to the trial of force because we couldn't afford to get a trial, guys that quite expensive. And so I was really thrilled with a trailer. Now, if there was a challenge with this, is you know you have the horror elements and comedy? Did you have to kind of set boundaries when you were putting this together? And actually directing it as how far you could go, what what kind of like it's almost like a balancing act for you totally balancing act, it's A. We were the batteries from producer point of view in the sense that we had to I didn't want to go all right team, and so that gives a younger audience in. It wasn't going to be just exclusive, and that would tip it over into something possibly much more gory and violent and one of the ways I'm doing that is to pull back. Not so you know, it's to make good more comical so that people didn't take the violence too seriously like this movie like saw hostel, which are very sadistic movies and I don't have any of that. It's it's strictly not really a horror movie. It's got a few fraught smut and jumps, but it's it's really a plan with the genre in a way and and I wanted to have a little bit of fun with the tuning. Come things on the heeds, and just you know using cliches that are in the grind house kind of movies. I'm just throwing up in the same with land but. The comedy leaders get away with. Having it for a more hopefully more mainstream audience, possibly, which may or may not wig. The danger of courses you might disappoint. The people who want the full on Gore. And you don't even really attract the mainstream. But I think there's enough in there to get an audience who will sort of not be horrified too much and will laugh at it more than. The repulsed. You know. There's a mind. Switch the end as you. They sort of John Retired movies as kind of switch. You've got a guy through. Absolutely you want more, or you want list, and that's the balancing actors in the audience's mind and. I have to sit the tone for them not to take it too seriously, which is why sometimes? This junction ib work or not work or whatever? But denied the jugs at least are able to not take too seriously, which is really the point? It's romp brilliant. So, let's review the films I showcase this year from the TRIBECA Film Festival Frankenstein's Army has an army of monsters created by Victor. Frankenstein's descended. Mr! Jones is about a man in the woods who makes strange wooden statues and it's up to no good. The machine examines when a killing machine become sentient, and what heart it's. Say Her wishes. Raise is a modern take on gladiator with women combatants like Zoe Bell and Rachel Nichols of Continuum. and. Fresh meat is a cannibal comedy from New Zealand, which features an outrageous dinner scene. One of my favorite cannibalistic dining room scenes definitely. Look for all these films hopefully on DVD, and hopefully on television Sunday. You really should visit their official site tribeca Film Dot. It's the official website up. TRIBECA film has links to the film festival some great stuff they do fantastic things. I'll have more red carpet stuff coming up real soon. which some two well-known actors I hope! And I hope to be there once again next year. That's our time capsule for today. This is Tony Tomato thanks so much for listening. Hey, there I'm troy Tash I agent. 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