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#393: Selective Outrage
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Is Nothing's really changed that much were up to his weekend worship bunch of films was Barbaros Netflix's pretty cool. So cool. CV's about ancient in in the Asian his St John, row. They kind of highlights a particular battle that took place that some people would. Characterize as the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire. They tried to invade or take over a part of Germania with what we kind of deemed to be more than they Germany. Australia, and other parts. They try to essentially take over them because there were warring tribes there at the time, and of course, warring tribes came together to defeat this empire known as the Roman. Empire. And it kind of charts that entire course of their ordeal and battle and it's great because it's historically pretty on considering some of the documentaries I've watched books, I read documentary channels, I recommend you check engine history would be kings and generals invictus his story in the history guy there's quite a few people follow online what she's documentaries lay at the pre cool to. Get me out of my head and also allow me to think it was bad. Situation is now some of the lessons that we should be gleaming from the Pasha applied against Fruita present I would assume but that's been pretty cool. There's another one cooler reviews theon, which is a French one. You know what I'm saying Spanish accent forgive me. And what else did I watch this week? Oh, I finished the Levin Documentary on the Paradise Garage outdoor review of that later but that was epic. I'm above at nighttime aficionado obviously, I dj. Put on events and it was obsessed with dance music in general. So watching that documentary and so again, understanding of how important The Paradise Garage was. The era of you know sexual liberation and expiration of music and DJ Culture and Nightlife scene, and whatever in especially outside of the city fifty four because you get I'm not gonNA say the whitewash issue of music in America you get only a particular perspective from it, and if you have watched this before documentary, you know that, yes, it was amazing spot. But if you when you get down to the rue essence of fifty four wasn't, it wasn't anything more than just like a really well done private members club. Yes. They will obviously some elements to, and of course, the moment in Time Day, it was launched and founded the people that pass his hollow able to pass across. not velvet rope on the outside. And individuals involved in running it behind the scenes you know in sensually some of our most. Inspirational leading cultural creatives. But when you get down to the real real essence of it, it was just a private members club right done really really well, and it only represents a certain. Perspective of Voice of Dance Music during that time in this great to get another perspective, you know through the Paradise Garage in. So many people that frequented despot. Justice Shaming Low Levin such a young age I think he died in years at thirty eight or something really really tragic. Offense considered those a lot more here to give again. The great thing about Dance Music Griffin about not live culture leisure culture. Always right. The art the You create lives on you know way beyond your years. So it's impact on me right into twenty and I imagine impact office to watch it and you never know what that could then go onto lead. The you never know what that could basically result in right that could opening my own place Steiner label. To give a collection it could inspire recipe whatever our art lives on an awesome one thing about it all it can be immortal in Gaza. That's definitely cool to see. But that's been a really for the most part keeping my head down training about reading a bunch same old same old with last week or Tober pretty cool. Heading down the home straight line at the end of the tunnel caught to abrupt my lips around a chilled little glass filled up with whiskey and you know, Noel ice just GonNa. Chill the Gloucester self-employed skin. Like some listening bar etiquette that's going to be great again. Sabato was a weighed one right because diplomacy acerbic Tober came about mostly what if got populaires to me via Juergen podcasts and more importantly via. Jauregui need friends essentially staging. Intervention with crusher, they maybe drinks too much need looks he does look incredibly unhealthy if somebody takes the shirt when they're performing standup. That's that is. Something that really argue about and it kind of evolved from intervention into their friend Inter kind of an opportunity for those guys to may be. Put aside or pause on the hedonistic life from the road being under purchase on comedians touring the country in the world that publicity opportunity to be. Healthy you probably encouraged to. Choose the most unhealthy options I know for me. That's what's happened in the past especially when a DJ. And Working Monday to Friday at the last thing you want to do is look after your diet and what much drinking when you finally have time to play especially when you're trying to squeeze in because figured about an hour just seems nutty and but now, of course, things change because the world has changed and we're all working from home but having to go to the office every single day and in oversee work. To some level of proficiency, and in all of us ever think about the set you on the parallel weekend. Then lunch break preparedness it didn't coming back home and prepare eel that'd be that guy on my laptop using tractor record books look like a proper wanker it comes. Thank you but. I'm very much reckless. Sink top onto my hotspot downloading some extra tunes if I need them if I need him buying some extra tunes. Gamma palest upper radium extracted things exploited sort of remember stick going home changing game my office without making sure my. Headphones and all that good stuff right lip balm or this wisdom that you forget you probably need special in your DJ in Egypt before his air conditioning unit right above you some lip and inskeep extreme extremely tapped. So you're dealing with that stuff and it kind of takes US total you're in when you get into the bar last thing, I do think about how much to drink just going to keep a drinks. The buttons are usually Super Nice when you nice to them especially if you're the DJ. They tend to kind of welcome a new face that isn't one if stop members that they know everything about because I remember that happened to me I was working retail. Especially when you know if a somewhat young person came into sharp. End Up five having a chat, you would just be laying on them talking to your. Best friend because you so fed up of talking to your colleagues so Anybody that came into doctor. Martins back they had an expert customer service experience via me. It wasn't personal already bored. So. So it worked really well in that regard right because I'd be working bunch Dj a bunch. And you just push the limit and you needed an opportunity to kind of press pause and allow yourself the chance to save the taste of alcohol again, right especially at work most of my starts gigs of had. They will some element of Thursday Friday, evening drinks where the office manager, an HR person will go out and buy a few BEV's, and you'd come you know government table and gossip about managers he didn't like and stuff. Obviously added to the drinking marathon, and then you go into the weekend DJ playing in bars where he's necessarily given Tokens on tab you know it's just It can get really crazy really easily. So what does intervention those guys turn into an aspects for me to kind of get my lifestyle to some sort of check so it helps. But then again, over time you start to realize that you're not really an ethics in in my respect, right? I. Have My drink and Spurs have my going crazy. Blocks by non addict of I can't function with this stuff in you know I get the shakes. So if a smaller Baraga Hall My head sauce dripping right I might make makes silly mistakes you know get. I might make some dodgy dodgy decisions right sal say some questionable decisions when I'm under the influence by in terms of kind of really affected my life in terms of negativity right and. Kind of semi, of course never hasn't really happened to I regard so. He kind of has the relevance. Sort of opportunity to do it has maybe waned over the years this year Mosul pressuring covert, right? I'm poverty little discord where people are doing subject Tobin. It's spent play the empty like the chessmen so dead ever since. I think those above Charon the first couple of weeks people have died often eventually people just give up and just. Come back to drinking because. That's the only joy kind of been able to glean from these times. So it's been a hard one to be honest just simply because of that, you kind of want to just let the our sort of like Russia by and there's nothing bed and games absolutely blasted home. But then again, it does get a bit depressing when he just home to Sweden and. Copious amounts, alcohol knowing what time of day is I guess a bit dark in in my experience that's for me, and personally you know having to read what movies writing a bunch and doom work. It's just not conducive to having alcohol and decorative. So that's been a good benefit and also I think I've kind of gone back to the idea of having alcohol in home. I'd never really did have prior Baba's the in the last year. So there was a moment where I'll be buying books is often a couple of balls. Of Winder by having the ability to go out and buy a Pacific bold if I WANNA drink it. Cool. But having an actual bar at home I'm not really a fan of I. Think it just encourages gives me opportunity to take the easy option out when Mace basically sometimes if I want to reach for a drink, maybe putting a book might be a better option watching documentary or reading up on something damages the engine week Blah Blah Blah whatever those options might be a little bit better than straightaway heading off and grabbing. A whiskey bought weather they be so. Much, as I'm looking forward to ending suburb Tober I am quite thankful that he does come around this during this time of year to prefer Christmas gap between to kind of break, and of course, it gives you a good chance to build up some bad habits heading into a new year because he get imagine right if you do all of the. Cringe sobriety month things you get to you basically have two months in a year kind of really this next year, but you basically have a acerbic tober energy so you get to go crazy November and December. Go nuts on New Year's eve, and in the soon as hits you get to start again. Jerry's short month to. It goes by absolute flush opportunity again to sober up in case off back to some kind of even Keel. But again, you know, what can we do? What can we? I'm still hanging on still do my video by should during the soft I'm doing if you're still hanging in there doing turbo let me know in the comments below I'd love to know what your experience is like from what I've gleaned most people have sought given up but if you're still out there, so hanging on, let me know. Okay. So we have a jump back Shafi. Today. Onus coffee got coffee in the morning jampacked show love to get into. Lots of interesting topic someone expound upon so make sure grubbers off a nice Hoti. Drink a little snack whatever is that gets you going or keeps you going Unless dive on deep to the topics. So topic number one, we have some pretty encouraging news regarding a vaccine. With, nineteen of course are notices rehash content a rehash information. A fitness news has been going around in various different guises over the last couple of weeks precious encouraging to know that there is some light in the tunnel. Vaccine comes about in a year two years time. I could not give the scooby asked about the simple shit I'm just thankful that is. there. Are People working for up interest somewhat. Out De in the field of science trying to get vaccine trying to get something that works in order for us to resume our lives in to some level of normality because you know I can't take this anymore. I'm not sure about you guys but being cooped up at home or being able to go and do the things that I enjoy not being able to go to the places I. Love. And just essentially living a closet life isn't left one. I was always a better hermit Elisabeth Loner but this enforced lona resume isn't fun right? It's like a an organized fun work. Everyone likes talking to their colleagues of free drink evolves a free meal but being forced to go to the thing in in in underneath the eyes of team building, right? It can get very, very annoying and very frustrating. Can, it can be for myself. Why would give out give my left nut to build team bonding at some crappy coney overly bowling alley somewhere while give to go to some really corny cottage somewhere and do some sort of cringe pasta possible team building thing that would give my left ear lobe for that. Shit right now because I missing being around strangers missing the the boom boom boom basing sounds of a club system missing the sweat, the confusion, the copious amounts of Europeans crowder love the flavor nightclub I need that in my life sooner rather than later hopefully, this news is a good indication of it so. From The Guardian says Oxford covert vaccine works in ages chart. Suggest it says the following in your article, one of the leading covid nineteen experimental vaccine procedure producers an immune response in older adults as well as young, which is great to hear raising hopes protection for those most vulnerable to the current device that caused social and economic chaos around the world. So I'm guessing this announcing this because I'm assuming there was some sort of idea that they were GonNa work just like forget about our older population and just say, Hey, we're gonNA make a vaccine for people under fifty. If you're over fifty, you're fucked that is married I think if that's Why they mentioning it but it's great to hear that this vaccine is going to apply to Article Continues Neva. Oxford University noise commercial partner Astra Zeneca. Would release the data from the early child showing the positive effects which are being submitted to appear of journal Bashar Zenica confirmed the Basic Finding about the vaccine is caused as one to two. which was shared I close economic meeting. The phase two trials have shown that people over the age of six, fifty six. Sorry some over seventy produce the same sort of antibody response as younger volunteers wherever older people will be protected as always been key question for the vaccines being developed the body's natural immune system and therefore is ability to find any verse weakens with age, which is why the Kobe date for. Older people. But what if that's the case where they think you have just making a vaccine when he wants be on people? That is insane. If that's the case I guess they have to pick the lesser of evils and. What would you rather save the majority of the population only one segment of population. Doc. But as a question scientists are probably having to. Wrestle with over time it continues here. Did they also shows that fewer side effects refer to the scientists as Rick Reaction Genesis City react react toe genesis right were reported in older volunteers which encouraging order that could mean fewer of them reported issues such as the score saw. It's encouraging to see to an immunologist as t responses were similar between Odin younger adults and that real reaction reactor necessity was low in older adults where the COVID. Nineteen disease severity is higher. There's also forever build the body of evidence that the safety enemy nieces t of asset to set an Astra Zeneca spokeswoman. The vaccine that works is seen as a game changer in the battle against coronavirus, which has killed more than one point one, one point, one, five, million people shot the source of the global economy our normal upside down for billions of people. However, you think the first vaccine fully positive, they may be instead reduce to severity of illnesses so that people avoid hospital deaths are juice. They may also not lost so that abuses will be needed. Arsenic said that. The vaccine may be ready for limited use of in. The coming months when -ticipant and if an efficacy readouts from. Phase. I trials between now and the end of the year and if approved countries, doses of the potential vaccine could be available to us before the end of the year at a spokesperson. Wow. Good. Encourage it to hear. Experts outside the company do UK Health Secretary Hammer. Hanoch. Expect not to be available on to twenty twenty one oxyde people could receive and this year Hanukkah thought to be I don't rule. The album is not my central expectation who the again, what was of this fanciful thinking who really for they're gonNA vaccine this year that's insane by all accounts even receiving a vaccine by the end of the year is. Really. Revolutionary Right I think the quickest turnaround, a vaccine was somehow some way under the ten year mark right or something crazy ladder. So for us, the vaccine for various that no one knew existed prior to Prior to spread. Is quite crazy in two years. That's a really, really good. Eighteen months where we may be. It Continues Hanoch said the vaccine was not ready but he was preparing logistics for a possible rollout mostly the first opportunity twenty one to AstraZeneca has committed to mass manufacturing capacity of free billion doses which equates to enough for one point five, billion people globally again the to dose vaccine. It also signed deals of manufacturers and other countries such as India the final trials faith free look into see the difference in numbers of death between. Those. Who are not taking place in six countries trials in the US which was pause out the continue K. became ill have resumed and you have participate in South Africa, Brazil, Japan and India. The vaccines expected to be one of the first from the big farmer to secure the regulatory approval along with one from Pfizer and bio antique or by. Antic. Block the worker bees on the Oxford vaccine in January could as at one to two or C. H. A. X. x one. covid nineteen, the viral vector vaccine is made from a weakened version of the common cold virus that Causes Infections in Chimpanzees Stephen Evans a professor of I just said that Pharma Code? P dodgy in London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Amazing Imagine going into London School of hygienic medicine. That's so so-called cautioned that no conclusions about the efficiency. The. Episode of the vaccine should be drawn into the data's been published. She said in order to comment properly on this, we need to see the data he said it is encouraging at the investigators suggest that the immune response measured in the blood sugar seemed to show efficiency. A above as well as below the age of seventy, the later phases. are needed to see if the immune responses translate into clinical efficiency efficacy ironically, the efficacy in preventing infection this will involve much larger numbers and his wise to not be solved mystic until the trousers completed raise antibody levels in the blood indicate but did not guarantee protection from the virus multiplying a buddy. He said so encouraging signs again. I think we're going to see vaccines a lot sooner than a lot of these medical professionals are basically. Saying mostly because of the industries involved in the money at stake having sports and live events are going to do whatever is in their power to push the vaccine Ford or if not, they're going to definitely be a definitely going to be within the field of. Rep Attesting, which is happening quite often especially for most per teams, right the rapid testing where you'll get tested fraught day at various points. that. You're basically going if your team retirements given busting on occasion intermingle people outside the building similar to the NBA with the bubble Sakashita going forward right if you're coachella and you can't risk postponing your again to twenty, twenty two, you didn't need to implement some kind of rapid testing to make the event somewhat safe if you don't have seen on and that's the most that they can do again, the vaccine for the majority of populations go for myself from rebutted about the conspiratorial aspect of it. I would much rather give away my. so-called a personal liberties or privacy's momentarily together vaccine to return to normal life because I'm under the illusion among the no allusion privacy is already been invaded. They have all the information they want on me on every single social media platform or was prior either have a facebook anymore but are ready that data's out there. It's too late to take back. The horses ready bolted. There's no point now deciding this is where my line is drawn with this virus out. There s allow me. That's not allowing me to kind of go about my life. So I'm not really have that much of an issue in that regard, but I love to know what you guys think regarding the vaccine. One person who does of an issue of it is is the legendary, the iconic and a somewhat controversial Buju Banton who had this to say regarding vaccines And the wearing of mosque especially within Jamaica. But someone's I is everything alright I della bridge known now. One Donors Moss veering bullshit and. Now they're offered us live without you intellect to our full channel Soto. VR. So, smart way ever find a cure for cancer. Are taught in putting Jimmy come in object feeling driving us all to poverty. have. You done for our doors lead off. I met them. Business Close Early Act Germany company to week. A Madonna to fall creek. Up, but now we are no mass. Me Now in Novosibirsk love it and it looks. You love. Michael. Jackson didn't with Michael Jackson. Did I love Bill Cosby. because. Don't you'd have been lying to us all these time so. Why All Iran? Desirous virus is more intelligent than mine. It like following certain individuals over the might be exactly this virus doesn't. It doesn't exist it in a daytime suddenly comes out of the night. If you leave if you leave the pub just before ten, it doesn't catch you if after ten. We'll go on to win final first farm was job you're. On a cell in. I'm. Saints. So. Anything Got Marai. Stand up. Boy. My love for us and proceed. To offer. I will not trying to are entertainers on trick you. Lead it on a part of destruction have been sincere flew to you might be. A lot of people are benefiting by Houghton. I'm pushing my people don't part is totally destructive. Jimmy here in America I, don't care my life he's not mind. That's never been. So you remind people. While, I'm juiced up and. I agree with him again it's maybe somewhat will win conspiracy. Can conspiratorial but again. Much like something I'm going to speak later with the clubs and stuff. There is a lack of acceptance of other people having points view opinions regarding was going and Covid nineteen it seems like. Some people have this hard time wrestling the fact that some people just view it differently and should be to view it differently based on whatever conclusion they come to based on information points that they receive when you think what they're receiving nonsense I think. Especially considered a bad job collectively, the governor around the world have done in dealing with covid nineteen you all within your rights to be a bit skeptical about the approach and was necessary and what's needed and you know some of the things have happened in the kind of event the backdrop of all these things you're allowed to kind of question eating think the fact that we have these people that exist like Buju Banton and other folk, right the plunder guys out there who are again Pasha crazy to Q. and on people that do it they should crazy. So, right the these people exist whether or not they should be. Main points of information dissemination is another question but again, I would argue is probably just as harmful. Sitting there listening to everything sky new say CNN MSNBC BBC, and taking her finesse aim for Gospel. You should be you should have some level of skepticism to everything that's been reported out there especially considering the bad job most of the Western countries have done in dealing with covid nineteen. That's just your right as a human being you should allow yourself some level of skepticism because these people are don't have your best interest in mind they don't care about you and I most of the things are like know, why are we playing football right now? What? Again, for myself being a good being sports fan and an avid follower mentioned unite I welcomed the destruction of being able to watch primarily football championship for every week. But why is suppose on at the moment? Is that why they playing football for to offices why playing football? We can't go back to nightclubs why they're playing with us as fans can't back into the stadiums. Then you get to the bare bones of vignette she analyzed as our look at the money that's involved look at the refunds. The English Premier League have to give to the TV rights companies if they're not able to the Games. So the shoot term loss in terms of the. Failure, for the teams to get gates, tickets is being offset by some of the monies they give the TV companies and then look at what done recently with the introduction of these pay per view games where you pay forty, nine, thousand, nine to follow team, which is insane considering what most clubs, what most support play for their season tickets and the kiss of still being coming out like clockwork. Some teams that my friends is haven't been investing heavily into the team, but they're still requiring you to purchase new kids to watch them pay per view. There's all these really sketchy going on. So I would be you would be well within your rights to be a bit skeptical about people going around telling you went to wear masks sake a vaccine manager you should have your I I open and maybe listen to a bit more Benton. Moving on moving on moving. All. We had this pretty interesting Article v Neil Times analyzing some of the issues and a winters facing post. George. Floyd deaf. Now it's really audited you'd never imagine. The death of a black man to police brutality would somehow lead to these monumental shifts and changes of in industries that far. Supersede anything to do with you know social justice right? You wouldn't. You wouldn't really necessarily have four that one person dying under the hands of the place in America was somehow lead to this push for diversity and inclusion, and he's really interesting conversation coming about now some of the stuff is a bit wacky. Some of the stuff is a bit gross. Cringe some stuff is a victim victim victim me woe is me and exploitative but I do think the conversation around diversity is important especially when it pertains to fashion. The seems to be a bit of a accepted ignorance and lack of understanding when it comes to what representation does do for fashion. Right this ability to dream and to see US often these clothes or certain brands having a very strong relationship. To a certain demographic of people look at the earliest off that dapper. Dan was doing with luxury freshman. Brazzaville say fresh Brennan's taken his his ideas and essentially copying them or co-opting them onto the runway and reserving back to a mostly white audience without the inclusion of the people that made it. So that's where those kind of conversations are really important because they allow for some recognition as to what these communities have done for these brands and allow some honest dialogue and participation between both people. Right And I've been four I hate the tokenism. Runways. Hey. Let's take the boxes and get five models from African descent five models from Asian heritage and kind of get them on the runway. That's not my ton of diversity diversity in the actual places that matter cease we. As makers gatekeepers is really an Pov it because I think a lot of people especially on the influence either things street style side of things. If you speak to some of those people in incompetence, I'm sure they will admit dare notes that kind of hitting a ceiling in terms of how far they can get an industry right there. The brands are okay with seeding product to people like susie bubble, but then when it comes to those kind of people. Having seen the table and being able to decide and you know push a certain brand forward and play a real important part in maybe the over vision or something. That's where suddenly get pulled back and told, Hey, this is this is a meeting room for you into go next door, we can go and pick out your address wear for London Fashion Week. So we end up more inclusion included into a bit more of a conversation around inclusion especially when it comes to the more important and prominent position fashioned behind the scenes. And I went to one person who's kind of gotten unfairly I guess included in that now I'm fairly I'd say because obviously she comes from Sony Generation she represents a certain. Vision of fashion, a special American passion doesn't necessarily representative what's going on so for people to expect her to change all to adopt a different perspective is old people expect to step away and give the give space to others. Also because I think somebody is committed that much of their life, their entire life to fashioned level that she has would the notoriety and authority and the influence and a cachet, and the clout whatever associated with her job is very. World say is very naive to expect her to be happy to step aside but some of the issues that are being pointed out regarding her tenure at Lou Vogue and what she represents. Is really alarming and some of it is also quite funny because I don't see this as issues are cedars it's issues larger. That is this larger outside of fashion and I somewhat see as a little bit. Of ood and abetment stretcher to quit from the new. York Times says the following the white issue has anna winters diversity push come too late is his folks temper issue celebrated back culture in contributors. But some employees say magazines powerful editor Faucet, a workplace sideline women of Color, and I would say just again from my experience working impression in a in some level. appre low level for the most part. Why so wasn't necessarily a sideline people of color just let Marceau. Nepotism exists probably in all industries by nepotism is this mostly are at the highest level in fashion right this idea that most of the people that have the positions that you would like or you kind of dream of gain usually have gotten those mostly based off a favor. Or connection from a friend you're sort about networks about who you know. All the time of course, it's on people whose fashion whose talent. Supersedes Czar Nicholas Birth fruit for the most part it does help if you do have connections, there are people that you know be able to put you in certain own rooms and because in my opinion again, in my opinion, most of the entry level positions and fashion anyone could do them. Especially, if you have an interest and you have an obsession with that field, you could do most of these jobs they would need to introduce some level of entry require because if not, you know it's pretty impossible to turn away mostly because most people consider. Have the necessary skills. Do this job anyway as a good job of explaining some of the issues at hand and cookie read fruit some of these points. So It goes for year what was appointed a winter refills one very interesting. This is the one right at the Paprika ways a here is. Yes Oh the recent Tomo tomorrow's Cardenas has knocked Miss Winter of balance inspired by the protests I rose after the police killing of Jewish Roy D. May implement confronted their bosses, a company wide meetings and smaller gatherings. Their complaints have led to the resignation of key editors and pledges from the Chief Executive Rubber Roger Lynch and Miss Winter herself to revamp gondolas hiring practices. It continues I strongly believe that the most important thing any of us can do in our workplace is to provide opportunities for those who may not have had access to them. Undoubtedly, I've made mistakes along the way, and if any mistakes were made both under my watch, they remind to own remedied. And I'm committed to do my work, and of course, the thing that stuck out to me was this their mind to own remedy and I'm committed to doing the work which is. kind of rousing defiance and reluctance to kind of step away and allow others to basically take the mantle and take that on and it kind of reminded me about this note that Tim Dillon to stand up Comedian Ellen Degeneres, and about how like half baked apology about some of her toxic workplace practices and disrespected in Hollywood and in most places of influence Vince Niches of culture, right? Whatever that may be this reluctance of some of the people who have kind of ascended to the top. Of the mountain to just step away to know when to leave the party when things change when social when social yeah. When the politics of change in the kind of overall tone things have kind of moved on this defiance or this kind of insistence on just remaining that person at the head of the table is really off. Especially when you consider the amount of people die just sniping and saw black trying to undermine your position behind the scenes really isn't worth the hassle you'd assume. Is Worth. US off in a position where she has would context needed for her to continue doing some work in fashion even she does step away from broke magazine Vogue in general Dennis under some guys. But she still wants the prestige and a cashier of being misspoke behind those shades sit in front row the shows. So she doesn't want to let go of that power and it's sad because you know inevitably will end up happening is that Like most people if she doesn't, she's not willing to step away. On their own regard on any room what show you know your own decision she's going to be forced into some sort of nation sooner rather than later. And again, the other thing too for interesting was point here about the hiring practices being quite. White and I'm someone that doesn't necessarily know these things. But one thing that stuck out to me a lot especially something I've come never forgotten was this one time I don't know why but I happen to be around central London. Around, yeah. Happened to be standing outside Vogue House where devote UK offices are I'm not sure of the there now by the time they were. And it was on the same day at exactly the same time that there was a scheduled a fire drill in that building. So everyone poured out onto the streets, right that works in that building and the first thing knows whenever import out of course Oh wow this. Care some cute girls Blah Blah Blah. Wow. Allow White people work vote house in it like a lot of people work I vote like white white white like even like spicy white, right like Nando. Proper. Caucasian. The whites, the whites right. They could be flipping Bush. Johnson's Bertrand's do as friends away and the people that you know where their parents go for Sunday brunch at chiltern firehouse White House like Jesus that's interesting in especially considering. London fashion week is known to be the most experimental, the most diverse, energetic, young, and just kind of you know there's a lot of energy around London fashion week energy that kind of represents A. Cultural Fabric of London of as a whole. So you would assume I don't know why rightly or wrongly that one of the most former. Uh. For leading magazines fashion maybe not in terms of kind of representing the creative within the UK people really pushing things forward Undergrad. You'd assume they would be some level of representation of just what it means to be in fashioned in London at the moment right but burke house was very opposite of that. It was just like, wow, this is super widest average not thinking about the lack of representation fashion just in general the nepotism. Most of it are. There is element of racial prejudice are the shooter. There is an element of racial discrimination. It has a hiring practices but I think a lot of it has to do just friends hiring friends. I'm sure there are a lot of people in there who don't have any credentials who don't have the knowledge who don't have the experience gained positions that they probably shouldn't have mostly based on the people that note and unfortunately what ends up happening is that those same practices those same approaches end up being co opted an adopted by the people who are sort of left let in the margin so. On both ends from what I've seen, the really meese side of fashion industry or the kind of CSM graduate class of people they've really cliquey and in the people on the other end who are super commercial devote the L. Cosmopolitan sight of finger fashion. They're super clicky. So they both kind of copied taxes again because if you're not able to. Get an internship vote. The first thing you're going to do sap your magazine and the first thing on your mind. Even subconsciously you thinking about, it would be a never gonNa let somebody like that Hula vote ever be positioned to tell me why cannot cannot do and that also might dangling affect who you hire because you might have have you look like you more so Does this really happening? So if anything vocal berry be the best place to sort of rewrite some of those ills and cut up provide a bit of a neutral ground where you can kind of combine the best of both because I still think there is a need to have that voice of the yummy mummy notting hill of crowd vogue but it also is Anita have representative. Kids coming out fashion school at the moment who are trying to cover way in the industry to have like one greenery. So of crew, they also need to represent it in Burgers war. So it's kind of two fold. It continues here the article is says the in September issue the most important books year two black contributes indicates MS windows gross wanted to protest movement rolling roll in the country but in fashion, of course, appearance are paramount during a large meeting in June Miss Winter, who is the head of the company's Diversity Inclusion Council, which is super lows that she's the head of diversity inclusion was was conspicuously absent employees, exchange slack and text messages during the session asking the same question whereas Anna, and that's a very good question. She didn't smoke it makes sense. It continues Lama folk an employee's when public would complain about the company's handling of race based winter's been. Portrayed black people for many readers. Two, thousand, eight cover of Lebron James jusoh bunch was reminiscent of racist images of black men from the century ago which I think is unfair because at the time. Wasn't as well because he is now but he you know winning lead this cover, which is you know it was paramedic at the time I saw it and there's still paramedic now looking at but you can't retroactively go back in time and tell people what they call it retroactively go back in time and apply the same as we have now stuff happened in the past it is what it is. You move on, you learn you lesson but again, a black man accept a position to do what he done pose and I can flip in guerrilla holding a basketball well holding onto a model and and bouncing a basketball but again, those things happen. Continues to the basketball. Stars is bellowing grappling the supermodel in waste and some sort of unmistakable parallel to racist put the propaganda poster. Miss. Winter also triggers when she helped fashion designer John Galliano who was fired from Christian two thousand eleven after he was caught on camera making anti Semitic remarks and declaring I love Hitler is imagine how did this car come again? I know how recovered because I watch sports telling people make all the excuses under. The book for you it is what it is but thinking about what we know now especially viewing it through the lens that we are looking at life not the moment specially social justice and politics in general isn't saying that he actually survived any bounced back in essentially has never been bigger than what he wasn't a pass. If anything right he's probably more regarded now than he was prior because he's gone through this quite quote unquote, human experience. It continues. Yeah. She continued support Mr Galina even after he was found guilty of a hate crime personal call again, if you're sport long enough, you're not talented people people that put the numbers on the scoreboard wherever it sales over his goals whereas trophies they are all the rules don't apply to them is unfair is you know whatever it may be it. What it is that we live in it continues being indisputably the most magazine Freshman means vote comes in for extra scrutiny especially in its cover selections last year the putting. A publisher of visual essays us out of centralized one thousand years of archives and measure the average lightness of the cover model skin tones in one span from two thousand to two, thousand, five, only free of the eighty one women who are black. Statement said that. From two thousand, eighteen to twenty, five percent of the vote covers feature black woman, and again, that's a really nasty tack inside of all this racial inclusion stuff and whatever may be right. First of all the people criticizing it are looking at it from a purely analytical point of view right ascribing diversity mostly through the prism of how much do you have on your cover? The darker is a better, which again is questionable right considering that you just going to be ticking boxes. Then when vogue wants replying and put rebuttal out there, they will then pull out the stats and say, Hey, we had fe percent two percent of our cover pitch black women, which is then again them doing the same maths and decided to go on a chart and make sure everybody at us on a cover. Occupies a certain level of black lives, which again, super nasty will you want fashion and in most things it's for the people that Bhai Your magazine for the people that wonder about the things that they could buy magazine for the people that work behind the scenes to be represented in a magazine that you point out that that's it whether they are racially ambiguous they are whatever it may be very levels of the socio economic graph or landscape that they kind of exist on you want yourself to represent the magazine in whatever point may be in especially when it comes to women magazine to Luck charm mostly. Women you know. Identity Representation in fashion is a lot more than just race. Right? It might be family relationships. Mental health issues whatever it may be right. There's other things are kind of women would want to be represented by outside of just purely what the person's skin tone is out imagined a continue former employer said in recent years msuic till has not kept pace with the public changing agile issues of racism and discrimination at London Fashion Week Party hosted by burberry in two thousand, seventeen, the valley saw kindle jemma showed up with a new look free gold teeth Berg noted choice. Online story written by a white contributor is said the flashing teeth wrote likely PLO playful wink to the city's free spray despite or perhaps it proverbial kisser ruined boyfriend Brocchi a black staff member contacted one of the magazines executive object saying the stories into tippety endorsed the stance of culture preparation according to e mails obtained by times of a staff members brought the article Thomas Winters attention with one tunnel explaining by email while some people on the staff. On. Social media have yet negatively says a club if Kendall wants to do something stupid find by writer especially, the white ones don't need to weigh in and glorify it to ascribe reasons to read culturally insensitive. and. That's the picture, right. So that's nuts to begin with the somehow put in on Goal Tif of fronts or grills and wearing hoop earrings. The somehow akin to culture preparation is incredibly incredibly insane. But Hey, continues this winter appeared not to grasp the issue after several exchanges she wrote honestly don't think this that big of a deal condescending statement, the coverage yourself is cultural appropriation of Oh so. You see was basically going right they are changing shifts in consciousness and awareness, and it looks like. A winter is just not with the times and instead of just you know taking the honor Baru out and deciding to call it a time and move onto other things she's hanging on to dear life and would inevitably get pulled out kicking stretch kicking and screaming from the vogue officers and it's a shame. Really Right. You would want people her stature to decide when when she decided. To hang up but unfortunately, these people are so psychotic. So entitled whatever it may be that they think that they should. They think that there are there's no option. No possibly they should. You know essentially call it quits when they have the option to just hang onto the joe forever especially when the customer base and audience has necessarily change on their nose but again, what do I? It's a long article I'm looking retyping. It's on vocals associates on times we're going to put the Lincoln show which is called. The white issue has diversity push too late. Moving off. To, be have. Here. But burned on the. Was this NUNC was gonNA took a US move onto that one game. Oh. Okay. So another news piece here we have the story regarding Qube Qube is shutting down the short form video app that came out what a sink somewhat six months ago somewhat. Closer. Stories behind the scenes of them reaching out to various creators to create. bespoke content, blahdy Blah Blah Blah. The idea behind it was that you'd watch all the video content via smartphone or tablet. You couldn't necessarily streaming not your laptop. So he kind of tried to pivot away from the General Shema services we have a moment, but unfortunately, it didn't work and I've lows of things to say about this because of course, as some of you know I have extensive career experience working in startups in the UK especially. Some of the more crappier ones some of the ones that have this early worked at the best ones. We probably some of the worst founders I've ever worked for but the experiences were very important in shaping way to I look a startups in shaping the way I look at things I want to approach in terms over my own business, Blah Blah loads of really good lessons to be learned from it. So let's dive on the with this story from the verge be shinedown. It continued says as follows. Sorry could to short for Mobile. Focus Streaming Service shutting down after just over six months or peration making it short-lived streaming services to date according to the Wall Street. Journal the company since confirmed that it will be shutting down in medium post by Jeffrey Katzenberg and make Whitman quote we that we've exhausted all our options as A. Result, we have reluctantly come to this difficult decision to wind down the business return to cash shareholders and say goodbye to our colleagues with graced and reads there is an there is any number of factors that can be pointed towards the impact of quickies demise to launch a mobile only streaming service at the high of a global pandemic when you were stuck at. Home. The lack of any row breakout content was compelling enough to tempt subscribers or the fact that a short from video content has nearly infinite amount of free competition in the form of Youtube Tiktok another platforms. Now, let's get break the first bit down. I think it's honorable that they decided to go out on their shield right in a really honorable way they. Decided when it was time to pull to pull the plug, they didn't wait for the Castro completely run out and then decide to pull the plug like most companies I worked for they decided hey, this isn't going is whereas we can do in return to shareholders give our staff members an opportunity to plan the next steps give them ample amount of time to. Go Out and seek of career options and just give time to kind of recalibrate where we are. Great credit to them, and it definitely goes a long way to showing the of character. The people behind go involved in found inquiry right good people but it's also a part of me that thinks especially from working in various startups. I'm pretty sure that there were people in the qube offices. were, kind of raising the alarm about maybe misteps that they made in terms of how they approached streaming platform because if I remember correctly, there wasn't any be there wasn't any real push towards in our free content to kind of temp to customers into sending up to Qube most of the stuff was behind a paywall. There wasn't a taster option. There was no free option. There was no substance discounters subscribe discount subscription rate for you to join join for. No, let's say half. The price for the first month, and if you to test it, see if you like it and then kind of continue with that deal for the next six and there may be up to the standard price. There wasn't none of that going on. It was just mostly about, hey, this is great APP. You'RE GONNA use it a lot is behind a paywall, pay the money and use the thing, and of course, the other point of the kind of is real issue for them was that. No matter, how poured APP was I think Paulie reason why didn't succeed because it didn't have a standard show, right? They could have had a really clunky service. You Suffer Amazon prime the boys good example Amazon prime video is a pre horrible. To US especially on your laptop more. So on your smartphone but the boys and some of the other original programming have on Amazon prime video has done really well in spite of the actual you X. or design of the actual site self. So that goes to show that if they would have invested a bit more money or if they would have kind of taken a little bit more care in the people that they invested in and just come splashed cash around to various production houses and studios and writers who essentially have now been paid for doing absolutely nothing. Farber place. It continues. Quits office choking up. The slack of success because the idea itself wasn't strong enough justify Stanley streaming service or because of our timing, the company will be notified current subscribers a final day adobe able to access Qube, and again that's true I'm sure there's probably of that thinks. You could launch successfully a mobile only or smartphone only streaming service jury independent because everyone's on their phone, I would assume most people screen time has gone up exponentially during covid nineteen lockdown. So I'm sure there's an option avenue for somebody to start something like this and to work, but again, I think the lack of. The lack of strength in depth in terms of the video streaming options, they had available on their platform, the lack of kind of interest outside of the people using Qube. What necessarily lead today for a continued said, it's not clear what what happened to the company's lineup of expensive star-studded shows and a short form films off the shutdown earlier reports indicate that CATTON's Berg had caught it at Warner media and facebook to try and acquired a beleaguered streaming company earlier this year when those efforts failed catered Caitlyn's burke reportedly tried to get facebook and NBC. UNIVERSALS to pick up qube content to no success. QUBE will continue to attempt to book the content Andy underlined at larger using the APPS in the coming months however. Quickly launched on April six. April six just over six months ago. Two plants four, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, and seventy nine wouldn't at free. The company sought to English by focusing exclusive your mobile devices that launch completely manipulative system where each show was filmed and edited input poetry portraying ASCII formats, allowing it to be in your rotation while crappy option there anywhere, and there was no friction outside alone for your free trial and not be apps into yesterday. When the company launched is APPs for the Apple TV and Andrew Tbo fighting again, look at Mrs. so that's why sometimes I have a lot simple companies because I'm sure somebody's emissions. Somebody's oversights were things that people within the company had spoken about but sometimes when you have really headstrong leaders who have a very pacific idea of what the APP should be like in mind especially, if it's their own baby is very hard for you to kind of divert them away from it. They just look as a distraction and he just you know and this does this lionization around founders that stick to their plans and. Go for their goals, but it doesn't. It doesn't those stories and those kind of lionize biographies don't take into account the people who kind of complimented or to success of the company who were kind of on the outskirts right there. Kind of entry level mid level people who maybe fruit suggestion in their drink, our own hands or during a company meeting that kind of added to the success or allow accompanied to maybe seek some other avenues that would be a little more profitable. So again is hotter sympathy because I think a lot of these things were glaring omissions. I'm sure people in a company would have said something about during a meeting or two? It continues despite one point seven, five, billion. Crooked as Burger and Co Fundus Make Manning raised Jesus Christ one point seven, five, billion. This is why sometimes I think to myself like. I never understand why some of my friends can be. Really. Can Be really a collect confidence when it comes to applying for jobs or can lack confidence when it comes to apply for grants or loans and fainted their idea plan isn't worth the money to describe into it when their startups at here raising one point seven, five, billion for video streaming. APP. That only works on your smartphone right considering the amount of competition out there would free APPs for video streaming considering the complete monopoly things like Netflix and youtube have on the video sharing platform to go out there and think that you have any opportunity to break. That industry to somehow take away some of their market share is insane right but you know that is obviously the goal of most entrepreneurs out there right to do the things that no one else can do so no faulting your ambition, but to do it in such a clunky way, right especially raising dot mountains such a clunky way with so many missing pieces to the APP that wouldn't necessarily dare right the the only just launched the APP for Flipping Apple TV and Android TV recently. It definitely should give you confidence that where idea you have wever planning go and dreamy have OJ soft pursuer because there are people out there raising one point seven, five, billion for video streaming. APP What's main selling point is the fact that you can watch videos in both poetry fucking landscape format who cares what crappy cell. So instead of show pushing forward the fact that they have these really fool provoke in Seminole TV shows or movies are. Really going to move the needle in culture de boasting about the landscape and portrait format of the videos God. Almighty God Almighty I continues qube burst onto the scene with more of a whimper in a bank while had plenty of big names attached to the content and even managed to gain weight into the two Emmy Award wins in never seemed to manage to actually GonNa many subscribe, which is the point right and again, this has showed a lot of. I think of someone like a job the. People were made to May to. Metaphor crazy for a rumored Lee. Two hundred and fifty million from spotify. But there is something to be said for being able to command for being able to put bums in seats and being able to attract an audience and take that audience with you. No matter what platform you go onto there is something to be said for it, and the fact that nobody could actually say I have the numbers approve people sign up to this is to my podcast. Only during these months or during this year or during this contract should go a long way in terms of kind of adding to amount of. Zeros. Reporting these potent to his renewed a contract. It should go some way because if people like this can raise one point seven, five, billion of projections of how many subscribers are going to have on their platform and actually hard numbers and actual uses using the APP day today. I don't want anyone to feel less down. You should never be made a fool time because these people are here swindling cash like no business and again I, happy they give back their money to investors could some of these companies they do they do like bait and switch where they go out there and raise money off the back of an idea that has no market validity or viability having wherever that what is right they out the back of a of an APP that has no market viability they didn't leverage the APP to raise loans. They obviously show off their ability and talent to maybe take a company from zero to one hundred employees have some shiny office in the middle of central London and then exit and have an in that company complete get swallowed up by a company that goes in ends up in taking the talent and ship and chucking away every house that nobody needed. But again got on my two point five billion mad. Every poll from ABC firm Sensor Tower back in July claimed that be lost over ninety percent of subscribers off the initial free trial ran out. We've just seventy, two thousand of his roughly nine hundred and ten thousand users who had signed up at launch sticking around as paid subscribers. Creepy has refuted as numbers claiming that they were incorrect by order of magnitude never provided any actual subscribe of its own, which it shouldn't. You shouldn't be doing that but might again quickly again respected the founders for putting a neck out there and trying to do something right and try to add this of. Try to leave their mark on the Star Top timeline right? Does basically the dream of most entrepreneurs to go out there and leave some sort of indentation onto the world but the apples pray terrible. The idea wasn't that great. The market itself that they will try to infiltrate is heavily heavily crowded They didn't need the needs to come in there with the bank came in with a whimper grand opening grand closing again. I'm glad they were able to give the employees a heads up investors back their money, and maybe kind of dust themselves down and go. Back again but again, this is a cautionary tale people out there because she employees and people are trying to get involved to somebody stops veterans as as you can, and for the founders out there maybe full of quickies lead in it if it's not going well and it's kind of isn't necessarily living up Jasper -tations yet you're using maybe do the honorable thing and pull the plug before is poor for you and give your employees and staff and option to go out and seek pastures new in it. The worst thing is being held to ransom or being left in the state of purgatory not knowing where you stand lead is not wanting to lead and eventually a kind of affecting you to Moses an employee as opposed to the founder. So again, credits guys for deciding to pull the plug related by an at Never Kushner towel within the start up ecosystem. Moving on moving on. HEAP. Okay. So over the weekend there was above issue but a bit of a a negative reaction concerning a party that took place in Berlin else else is one of the only venues open at the moment in Berlin is not few there's not a lot of them most I think most not close dancing as a legal. So the way that clubs and Basel around the is by hosting he's opinion police dire essentially hosted into courtyard garden area of baugh socially distanced to some extent, but mostly based on the numbers the day Lau in the wearing of face covering mosque on the dance floor to prevent any transmission but the obviously the the kind of thinking behind it is that. The virus doesn't spread as easily in the outdoors as it does in does. So there is some kind of. Thinking behind, it makes some sense. So, else has been running this whole series of open air festivals open at parties during entitled Summer Empathy. Most part going away they've gone out without a hitch. A has been a couple that people have been having some negative reactions to but so far there's been no rule out crowd online especially within the people who are bashing the business techno people who are sort of being ill intent to these playgroups that happening at the moment and. By what happened to sit this past weekend has gone the worst reaction so far I've seen online so much. So that somebody called me Kylie Mikhail there's I think one of the people that was involved in room back in the day was a host wanted people involved push about the crowd and rogue in a bit to Aggie and you know pushing up on a DJ too much. He uploaded image or a video on twitter. kind of displaying a very rowdy crowd going absolutely crazy to the sounds of Sirkin playing that night along with some other deejays and people online. Of Color Rave. Very negative action to this is tweet. He says last night in Berlin else club by now it's clear that law people don't give a shit player by the sound. Of. Doing, techno stuff that you hear people like Sarah Keen and hector. And was named Clark an SPF DJ. Of. The. Techno. Seems to love. But for some reason, a lot of the people in industry who are kind of against maybe celebrity. Culture I don't know what it is, but there is A. A big dislike for some of these sounds and people involved in it maybe it's because of the people involved in our Dick as scenes. I have no idea I live in London the not personally. But from what I at I think it'd be undeserving. You look at the comments underneath. that. We, say here. So many people will have deciding to my DM's both with the accusations to be a close traitor and also pointing out that the current regulations allow the foregoing of minimum distance went outside. This is only this is not this to my knowledge confirmed by multiple van produces a possible interpretation of the code especially because the masses are sweaty ravers rubbing against each other is the exact opposite of the perse protective. Against the droplet infections if someone has an alternate interpretation, they WANNA lay out or even a web of that word is approved hygiene concept that allows. That sweaty Ravers in Mark I apologize and shut up. I doubt however is someone will. So of course, there's a days camp people who believe that no one should be raving under new circumstances during covered nineteen but also this aspect of an understanding the shipping understanding that the industry should be allowed to move on into operate in some level at with some regulations. Especially when you considered absolute bullshit job, most governments have done in terms of handling Kobe and obviously allowing a four some sort of protection and support system for the places that are most vulnerable to the shutdowns into the restriction, which are bars and nightlife places. Some your responses have been as great as racism. No, the corner will stop down saying some noses here I see is outside they are wearing moss, absolutely law-abiding wash your problem the police has got none, and again, what were you doing their side by regime for clouds stay home Dan. He said the following outside and Mazdas no allow for circumventing at one point by. This is role and redefine especially the part regarding the interpretation invitation of the current Hygiene Code. Not sure what you want for me though he says continues on on those says. So what will you do in their day said Nice try but with the exception of the afternoon brunch and one source distance event, I haven't left the house much jeopardy accident related immune deficiency. Okay that's why he's. Triggered by says, this video was portrait for one that these I g account do morning after. So my point of view would be most of the stick that these people are getting. Especially Syracuse servers is mostly because people don't like them I guess with circus eases the hey because of some of the things that happened at the beginning of the lockdown, which I'm not going to rehash, it's not what even get into. It. By opinions do people just being at home for strayed and she was Bevin easy target especially with some of the you know Social Faux Pas she spoke for some things. But of course, musically, I think there is also a bit of snobbery involved. SNOBBERY Cortra-. Not. I'm not sure what it is but I do see a difference when videos come out online of people DJ's performers individual seen who people who kind of. Seems to be a different response when certain people host play graves and other people host grades when the Tech House people host play grades, everyone comes out and bashes them because they easy target. But then when people within their own little seen host programs will do warehouse parties under the guise of some sort of you know fundraising event. No one has anything to say, so it does seem to be one-rule-for-one-and-one-rule-for-another. Understand if your friends are you know living on the breadline, they certainly touring DJ's prior to Kobe and you have to play a gig wearing a mask and a facial somewhere just to keep the lights on I understand why you're petition of them and is potential. The media will be different but I think you should be viewing should be able to judge an immediate lend and your employees on S. the same way it shouldn't be just any differently. That's my opinion person and then going forward with this also is aspect of it. If. The German government has allowed for some places or the Berlin government for some places to function as open venue especially when. They have this really amazing article by recommend. People check out. That was put there by risen adviser. Some would argue with propaganda but from what I read, it was a pretty honest take. As to how it? How else is functioning during covid nineteen and what they're doing in order to make savings possible. Cooled perspectives from the scene features the Basham, the book where else and it goes into some detail as to what goes into making sure that they on every successful event at the club itself every recommend multiple checking the out because it does seem the people involved in put that to give a really care about the scene and are trying. Provide a safe as they can platform and place for people to go to number one the Ravers to kind of go and you know, let their let their hair down and have dance, and of course, providing opportunity for the DJ themselves to play. I'm sure you'RE GONNA. Find most DJ's who are playing on else complaining about being booked on a Sunday. To play data race somewhere and put some money in their pocket. They have no complaints that people actually attending the rave who able to kind of leave their apartments for most of the day between two and ten PM however, dancing a drink with friends won't be complaining either it's on the outside who are fundamentally against anybody you know going outside and the. Level of normality with this virus known circulation who have the most to say about it, which is understandable to you look at this Michaela Guy and who says he has some. Health reasons preventing him from going out those first place. So he's a little bit more conscious and aware and sensitive to what's going on by don't think that prism or the idea that Pov should be applied to others. Again, we're in twenty twenty, where in twenty one most governments have dealt with covid. Haphazardly in a very reckless and some will especially in the UK, right very hands offish type away and you know somewhat showed that there's rumors of a tier four being introduced here in the UK. Parts of Spain have gone under look down. Italy. enforceme-enforcing again, there's so many really bad ways are approaching covid nineteen. I don't. Die Somehow understand why son industries so and establishing some business owners taking matters into their own hands and I get it. Do I support it fully would I want to put myself at risk and go sees events probably not but understand why some people would want to do. So and I guess unfair to not is unfair to ascribe your way of looking at things and how you would want to operate to everybody else I think if you make. The decision to stay indoors and you happy to do. So do it the people that want to go out and brave let them do. So if they put themselves at risk is what it is. I don't think they're doing any different not causing any much damage to anybody else going to a bar go into Russia look into Soup Marquette his point in time I don't believe those numbers oldest fax to be true. But Hey, what do I know? Moving on, we have this really. That is really really funny clip here from again another example of the. Maybe, the the dams bursting at the seams and people having enough of Covid nineteen lockdowns and people are so rebelling. This is really funny video of. Rape that took place in the UK over the weekend featuring way McKay Michael Beebe Archie Hamilton Again Business Techno cruise or Tech House quiz harder is easier to basically point your fingers and laugh at them. Get angry and have a negative to what they doing the video itself is jokes because again, it kind of you know there's no amount of money that would you you would pay me to go to a party like this especially, during covert the last thing I want to listen to to break my sort of like a going out you know. Yet the the last thing I'd WanNa do to break my gory now doctors to go to Tech House Piper look look at us. You can just smell the kit in the air it. For me this break Corinthian for but the smiles on the faces the joy the the acceptance for the rule breaking. It somehow warms my spirit's somewhat. Video. Bang. Lows of filters. Hands in the air. DILATE, people. Kept spoons. Drop. You. And just looking at making is making me get goosebumps man there's nothing going is this I get it but again, the reaction being somewhat negative and this responsibility maybe burst out laughing. So Business Techno went in upload some tweet screen scrimshaw people that were at the event and living summer their views us to wh- down now caused the issue hand is obviously the fact that. Discredit people especially the tech scene they're very social. They're very social media native, right? socially. There's been a very integral part in kind of boosting allowed their profiles allowing them to reach a wider. Making people go from you know we can pub DJ go out to a festival actor no time. They're really use social really well, it can get bit cheesy Corny but I respect it But there's aspect of them. You know. So addicted to kind of showing off the playing in places that it kind of was counter intuitive that they would allow people to take videos and event that shouldn't be happening at event that's essentially illegal. That's essentially what kind of fucked them over that respect and some of these accounts are super jokes because it goes to show. Why some of this could be problematic. So business. Some people attended look soda responses of what was going down. One this this girl. Murphy says I've seen some weird things last night seeing Richie Hamid. Do a line of somebody's actual woodhead made my actual head fall off. A. Funny when you consider the legend of Richy, Ahmed is that supposedly allegedly he was what connects or the dealer of that whole crew of people that were coming up right the Jamie Jones is. What Labor was at the at the at the heyday in the late two, thousand, five, thousand, eight period, and then he kind of just started practicing playing in one of their homes and suddenly turned into a torrent DJ overnight but he came into the game being of connects right the guy that was lacing everybody with ketamine or something allegedly that's why I've heard for the here and now is jokes and you know again, it goes to show just why some people think somebody's who feds should be happening because once I get between to put on a instead of being somewhat Somewhat, careful about the things that they're doing and kind of maybe avoiding some of these. Obvious acts of debauchery they go relieving Brad back into these things, and this may be an indicator of what they actually miss out going out is more. So the copious amounts of drug-taking as opposed to the actual music whatever you may be, but hey, who usage we continue on. Another screen Shaw. It says here, Archie Hamilton and wife last night was super staff and other go says getting. So Josie People's threes monopoly and said, went from fine dining to work archie warehouse. This real quick as he phonology turned up, that was a warehouse rave last night have an archie. CanNot get over how good the rave was fuck me that was needed God bless weapon Hamilton. I. Don't know how they put that in London warehouse pickup them and she says at least says. These illegal raves are looking sick by bringing everyone back together. But if you do please remember to protect the plan and are playing and the videos you post online seen loads. Okay. Cool. Some three years following in loads of shipping dished out on social to those who played by the Bedouin is. Better. I think there should be no camera phone rule because people can't be trusted not to post footage online and the bosses attacking the x and the met police asking them to respond which is yeah. That's a scummy popping if people want to go out and rave and you're against it just against it going out there and and people in forbid them into police is some nonsense behavior. There's no need to do so. Whatever comic, whatever virus comic and she's meant to do to come to them we'll to somewhere shape or form. We don't need you add into it. That's my opinion that one. Another scripture it says, Salata point us in the direction of the next illegal rave that one last night looked proper. So everyone's basic. He's had enough. It seems like all intense purposes people want to go out there and rave and I think we're going to be a lot more of these things happening in the next few weeks. Personally I don't think this is the this is definitely not the end of this matter. I definitely see more places deciding on more people decide they've had enough and they WANNA go out there and Kinda Freddie hands and get crazy because you know covid nineteen is not going to take up most people's lives often can almost regard of it but hey. What do I know? Yeah. that the. Be. there. As, a free non-free were over an hour and twenty minutes away too much more battalion fixing must've number free now free as always I, I'm listening may showing. Subscribing Makamba. No, and you can just simply a podcast that pleased by serve you and share to show your friends. Of course, I'll be back in for the show. So definitely wait for that one to be available very soon. But until then take care be safe and I'll see you guys again bravery soon. Take care. Bye.
03-10-20 The time limit on accountability
"Welcome to native America. Calling from Studio Forty Nine Albuquerque. I'm Tara Gatewood. The South Dakota legislature once again struck down a proposal to extend the statute of limitations on child. Sex Abuse Cases. Abuse survivors are among those pushing every year to remove the time limits on filing suit against organizations like the Catholic Church. Their efforts are so far unsuccessful. Coming up we'll hear about what's behind a push in what some other states are doing. We live right after national made of news. This is National Native News Amazon. Tonia Gonzales representatives from law enforcement agencies throughout New Mexico recently gathered in Albuquerque for a task force meeting on missing murdered indigenous women. Captain Aaron. Total Lena with the Gallup Police Department says it's key for law enforcement to be involved. I've been just under twenty years of law enforcement so we've come a long way from what used to be reported a longtime ago as far as the the stigma of YOU GOTTA. Wait twenty four hours. You're not a family member. Can't take the information so now the importance of that in what we're coming into the transition of that. I think it's awesome that what we're able to do now. Total Lena says jurisdiction challenges are of concern especially in border towns. Such as Gallup in our area we are surrounded by the Navajo reservation the Zuni reservation. We also are right there by the state line of Arizona and New Mexico so a lot of people come to our area Mike I said it's a place where people come to shop in. That's where the rat so they're going to want to report but then they were actually missing out of our area. We're still gonNA take that report so I think that's something that's really changed. The eleven member task forces collaborating with tribal governments law enforcement and the US Justice Department to identify barriers and improve the reporting and investigation of cases. The Task Force was established by New Mexico's governor last year and is expected to report findings to the legislature by November twenty twenty the Alaska legislature has passed a bill to establish march twelfth as Ashley Johnson Bar Day. The ten year old from cots you went missing in September two thousand eighteen and was later found sexually assaulted and murdered her case impacted communities across the state and led to calls for more to be done to address sexual assault and violence. The bill passed the House Monday. It's intended not to only remember Ashley but to raise awareness about sex abuse and help individuals and communities heal. The bill passed the Senate last month and now heads to the governor. The new at circum polar council is raising concerns about possible impacts of the corona virus if it spreads to the North leaders say inuit communities in the Arctic or at high risk because of a lack of basic infrastructure including indoor plumbing. The Council represents people in Alaska Canada Greenland and Russia leaders are asking governments to assist enclosing infrastructure gaps and prioritize housing water and sewer and to acknowledge the challenges and Inuit communities when establishing a response and preparedness to the Krona Virus and other infectious diseases. An exhibit of indigenous art from Yale University's vast collection is curated by recent graduates Melinda to WHO spoke with Co Curator. Just absorbing about the exhibit. They poured over the thousands of pieces held by Yale's peabody museum and by other institutions on campus and winnowed their choices down to ninety three pieces. These include items such as pottery clothing and moccasins made from animal hides and beadwork a hide a mask from current British Columbia and paintings by contemporary artists. I think seeing the way in which this exhibit was able to bring so many people together in terms of not only the community bringing all these institutions together into a single space but also reaching outside so thinking how we met multiple times with the Mohegan nation how we reached out to tipo officers the tribal historic preservation officers across the United States to talk about our work. We formed relationships with the works themselves. The Exhibit Entitled Place Nations Generations Beings. Two Hundred Years of indigenous north. American art runs until June twenty first at the Yale University Art Gallery in New Haven Melinda to. Who's national native news and Antonio Gonzalez National Native News is produced by Kohana Broadcast Corporation with funding by the corporation for public broadcasting like the circle of life. There is an opportunity that comes around every ten years a chance to participate and let our voice be heard it. Lets others know who we are and where we are the twenty twenty cents? This will be our opportunity to shape our future for generations to COME SHAPE. Our Future start here. Learn more at twenty twenty cents Dot Gov paid for by the US Census Bureau native voice one the native American radio network. This is native America calling. I'm Tara gatewood before we get started. I WANNA point out today. Show covers the difficult topic of sex abuse which may trigger intense emotions for some people. If this topic you'd like to sit out we support your decision for almost ten years. A group of women in South Dakota are among those who pushed to change the state statute of limitations on civil liability for child sex abuse. They're all citizens of the Turtle Mountain Chippewa tribe and attended the saint. Paul's mission Indian School in Marty South Dakota in their testimony. They point out the difficulty. Many survivors face in publicly disclosing alleged abuse or hurdle that can take years or decades to overcome in February. The South Dakota legislature rejected the proposal. This year twenty nine states are considering changes for child sex abuse statute of limitations. So we want to hear from you. What do you think about limiting the time? Someone can sue in organization like the Catholic Church or the Boy Scouts of America. Phone lines are open. The number is one eight hundred nine nine. Six two eight four eight. That's one eight hundred nine nine native today. We're going to start off in Minneapolis. Minnesota with us today is Michelle. Define a echoes. She is an attorney and advocate for child. Sex Abuse Survivors from native American boarding schools in a CO founder of the organization. Nine little girls and Michelle is Turtle Mountain Chippewa. My pleasure to have her with us. Thank you for joining us. Michelle thank you for having me in so Michelle tell us about the law about the proposed legislation You fight for seems every year now right so each year we kind of do an evaluation to figure out what approach we wanna take in this last year what we did was Two prong approach was to eliminate a provision in the Child Sexual Abuse Statute that was passed in two thousand ten which limits It basically blocks any survivor over the age of forty from suing anyone other than their directly but direct perpetrator so The way that the courts interpreted that was to Say that the Child Sexual Abuse Statute is not applicable to organizations Such as the the Catholic Church in so what happened was The women who Our organization is named after nine sisters from One family who were our child sexual abuse survivors from Boarding School What we've done is Gone in and tried to figure out a way that we could overcome this provision that was enacted during the While. Their lawsuit was pending. And then also there's a a window of time that would revive their claims That we advocated for also this year so there was a two pronged approach in order to remove that provision That blocked anyone over the age of forty and also blocks a suits against organization as well as reviving the window to open up People are claims for people who may have been blocked in the past into Michelle. What is the argument? Why this case in in those behind it filled that you should be able to sue an organization so There's several different Reasons why and we had a great expert testimony from Archie Hamilton this year from child. Usa DOT ORG and With University of Pennsylvania and they have studies and statistics behind them that talk about how reviving these windows of time to allow for these to go. Forth helps identify a child predators that may have been protected by the organization or may have been previously hidden to the public So that children won't be abused in the future. So a large part of this is for prevention of child. Sexual abuse in the future It also shifts the cost of abuse from victims to predators and those that hit them rather than The victims having to sustain the cost of abuse themselves for health care for all the other Ramifications that they're abuse Took a toll on them for the other thing. Is that it Educate the public about the prevalence gives them the wear awareness For the harm that child sexual abuse does to the families and the communities at a The whole And then another thing that it does do is offers Healing and justice to survivors offers. Them Avenue what we've seen happen is that The Catholic Church has admitted that they had this abuse occurred and they have been releasing lists of credible abusers they call them. But what I am. Finding is that on these lists are not listing the abusers from the native American community and so made of American survivors are being left out of that process of You know transparency from the church and that kind of thing and so. I wanted to make people aware of that. I did an open letter to the Vatican this year. explaining to the pope that that native American people are being left out of this process and that we need to be a part of it and without being part of that process. There's only other resources to go through the court system and we know that this definitely weighs very heavy on survivors and even family members and I did want to share this number of before we move ahead. The next national sexual assault hotline is one eight hundred six five six hope or one eight hundred six five six four six seven three If there are folks you'd like to contact to talk more about maybe some of these things that have affected you personally and so with that Michelle There's a lot of work being done to make sure that Those who are survivors have the ability to tell their story. Have the ability to protect a future generations in. So gimme a little bit about Some of the things that have happened this year with this case and pushing forward in wanting to open up limitations so We continue to push forward in the South Dakota legislature But we've been partnering up with a lot of organizations that exist nationally as a resource for native American survivors as well as survivors of clergy abuse. That large and so we've gotten a great deal of support For the survivors network of those abused by priests goes by snap and a lot of other organizations that are doing great work with the statute of limitations and other states like New Jersey and New York Pennsylvania Montana So that is really Given us a lot of hope and optimism and strength to get us through These legislative sessions. Which can be pretty brutal For us as we're we're shot down each year with these changes to the Statute. Thank you for that. And I do want to let people know that we did reach out to the Catholic diocese of Sioux falls and invited them to be on the show. Today they declined due to scheduling conflicts in so Michelle. Explain how the limitation is two years after the abuse. How it's discovered. What does that mean? Well the way that the Child Sexual Abuse Statute is written. Is that When a child is abused they have three years from the date that the time that their injuries caused from the abuse And if they're under eighteen and not those three years would start clicking from the time that they turn eighteen. There's another provision in that statute that allows for people time for discovery. So if you If you don't realize you're injuries A lot of times repressed memories are at play and that the average age of Someone actually reporting there abuse We've found out is fifty two years of age So there's a that time delay So the discovery rule allows for that time delay For three years from the time you discover it now the part. That's the problem is that there's that forty year old blocked anybody over. The age of forty can't avail themselves to that discovery rule and then the way that the Supreme Court has interpreted the statute they cannot apply this to organizations and so in a way to get kind of get around What statute of limitations apply to organizations in these cases the Supreme Court has said that you need to look to the personal injury statute of limitations. Which is two years from the date of majority so the court alternately found that these survivors need to go back. But were they should have filed back. You know to two years after they turned eighteen So essentially all of the boarding school survivors And all the native American boarding school survivors out of luck at that point and pursuing their claims against the church abuse works. Is this unrealistic? Oh definitely so. What even the states on studies show that children do not report their abuse until much later than the statue of limitations allow and Particularly you know the studies that show that Y- they often don't report abuse until they're fifty two so if there's a block against Pursuing claims at forty. It doesn't the statue doesn't match what's happening reality in so there's gotta be some consideration there in in in dealing with this such a sensitive topic with from with all it's it's not something that's typically you know how the law would typically handle something I I don't think the laws equipped to handle something like this that it involves such complex family and in countless emotions and and all of those different aspects of so The laws just really don't are are inadequate for this in so this also is a conversation for any state what do current laws state in terms of limitations on protecting survivors of sexual abuse You can give us a call. Share your thoughts. Maybe you're also working on the similar issue in your own Neck of the woods and What are some of the hurdles or Are there people who are listening in our considerateness? you can give us a call. One eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is number And maybe you are even following this case very closely. What do you think about this where the survivors have for years? Come forward ask for the statue of Limitations to be lifted and are telling their story What do you think about that one? Eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number What LAWS DO NEED TO CHANGE TO PROTECT? Our Children. Phone lines are open. We look forward to your call if you WANNA spend the night under the stars in a desert in a historic in near the California redwoods but you also want to support native business. You're in luck. There are a number of alternatives to posh resorts in hotel chains. And they're run by native entrepreneurs will hear about them on the next native America calling support for this program. Provided by the American Indian Higher Education consortium the collective spirit and unifying voice of thirty seven tribal colleges and universities for over thirty years. A heck has worked to ensure that tribal sovereignty is recognised and respected and that tribal colleges and universities are included in this nation's higher education system information on a tribal college or university near you at A. H. E. C. Dot Org. This is native. America. Calling interrogate would from a set of Pueblo and we are talking about the statute of limitations on child. Sex Abuse Cases Today. How long after the alleged abuse happens do you think survivors should be able to sue to determine an organization's accountability. The Boy Scouts of America the Catholic Church and the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints have all had child sex abuse lawsuits against them. And if you'd like to weigh in on this conversation today call us at one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight with us on the line today. Is Michelle The funding eccles attorney With the nine little girls she is also Turtle Mountain Chippewa. My pleasure to have her here and show the case that we've been discussing. Why do you think the South Dakota legislators don't want to pass this law I think that At this point I had different theories throughout the years and And this year I talked during my testimony about what my true thoughts are at this point. I think where the the the church is extremely powerful and we felt that power each year after year and And seeing it at work with the legislators and And so it it's it's really the I think that the legislators are following suit with what they think that the church wants and it probably largely due to campaign no donations that are being offered to them in so when we think about all this if the lower to change what would it mean for survivors. So if we were able to get a lot to change this would allow them to pursue claims in court that they haven't been able to have moved forward so this only gives them the opportunity to have their claims heard to allow their voices to be heard about what occurred to them. What abuse occurred and How organizations and how abusers abused their trust and as children and violated the law And it's up to them to they have the burden of proof Once they do get that access to the courthouse So merely what this does is give them an opportunity to be heard. Thank you for that and folks if you'd like to talk with. Michelle gives us a call. One eight hundred nine six two eight four eight is the number also want to bring in a voice joining us today out of Anchorage Alaska we have. Lc Boudreau and she is a child six abuse survivor and Elsie is Yupik Eskimo. She grew up in the village of Saint. Mary's it's our pleasure to have her here to share her story. Elsie thank you for joining us for another native America. Calling thank you and thank you and Elsie. I really appreciate you having the courage to be here with us to share your story and let's start there the question that I asked Michelle about the ability You know to to have these laws protecting survivors for you. Elsie the ability to be heard. Tell me about the power of that. Well I think there's so much power in that Just even as a sexual abuse survivor to be able to find your voice and to speak your truth takes a lot of courage and then on the receiving end having people believe you Does something in terms of healing that allows you to move from blaming yourself and That victimize victimize mind and heart and spirit Took place where you know that you did nothing wrong that you know. And and that's the wish for all survivors is to get to the place where they know in their mind and their heart and their spirits that they did nothing wrong. That would happen to them was not their fault and So the there's just a lot of healing in that and and you think about you know the generations of people that have gone through boarding school and the holding back of Or prohibit prescribing people from using the APP. This avenue to to speak their truth is Is more harmful and in the long run into Elsie when we talk about increasing the statute of limitations. Where do things currently stand in Alaska? What is the statute of limitations? Both criminal and civil you know I. I don't want to be the expert on this. Except I do know that in Alaska there are no statute of limitations on when it comes to child sexual abuse. That law changed And when when I went through the process and It was difficult to ascertain whether or not the law was retro. Active meaning Those p the people that I like myself who were coming forward. It wasn't clear as a lavas written as to whether or not it would apply to us After the changing law so that makes sense in Elsie. When you hear about other states in the big push going on in South Dakota what do you think about these efforts to reform statue of limitations? I think it's really really important Especially being that you know as just the nature of child sexual abuse and how secrecy keeps it so There's so much power behind secrecy. At some you know I always say Silence is deafening. When it comes to child sexual abuse and and for people that have gone through. This need to have an avenue where they feel That they can speak their truth and that there would be people on the other side that would believe them and so I think it's so important. You know it you know like you here as children. You know like Even even myself like I didn't even know the words sexual abuse and if you even as an adult I was in college and was asked if I had been sexually abused and I lifted my counselor and I said no like in my mind at that point. I didn't equate what happened to me. As sexual abuse because it wasn't violent And the person that abused me was a priest and so I looked at it as something that You know Even years later like just understanding how that has affected me like it takes a long time and I think for many survivors to get to that place where they understand The nature of the abuse. And how how it has impacted them takes time so Allowing for the statute of limitations to be lifted would give more people the opportunity to speak their truth into. He'll I agree elsie. I really appreciate you sharing your story and You know to hear that this is something that you have endured in. Your life weighs heavy on on me and hearing this in. I'm raises concerns too. I think to a lot of people especially in our tribal communities where often we hear. Our children are the target were year. That story of our parents are those You know who have come before us. And they're sharing the stories and Elsie. Sometimes this gets a loss when we start talking about these kind of issues that When it gets into the law or people are trying to break away from the statute of limitations. There are survivors who have to come forward and share their story. And how heavy is it to have to do something like that in a public space But but I know a lot of times you do that so that other people will not have to endure what you did but share because this is an easy to do Elsie. Well you know I appreciate the question and I think you know. Just looking back on my life and You know like it's been since two thousand three that I came forward. You know and like the four that time I would never ever ever even imagine speaking publicly about this and You know having gone through the process and having spoken my truth and and having people Believe me and I've gotten it's almost like my voice has gotten stronger and I can I you know I often say like even the media has been like an extension of my voice and you think about the little like being a little kid you know and how their voices are You know when when they're when they've dealt with child sexual abuse almost like their voices fragile. You know their spirit is fragile and Getting to a place where you feel contained and loved and held So it's almost like when you speak your truth your and you have someone believe you. It's almost like you're being held and And and I think that's really important you know Having that sense so that you know that you're not alone and what happened to you was not your fault fault and that You have a right as a child to be loved to be Safe to Not have to you know deal with the actions of the adults that are there to protect you and and when when you think about the boarding school and and I think about the nine little girls You know I I. I've had the the honor of meeting them and talking to them and I I'm really Ungrateful for them for having for taking this on and You know I think about them and think about how how much The experience that they've gone through has affected their lives in a way that No one can take that back. You know So I don't know if I'm answering your question. You definitely your and I think you know. Maybe you're even speaking directly to people who are dealing with this today In I wanNA share another hotline with you the child help. Usa National Child Abuse Hotline is one eight hundred four. A child Also the national sexual assault hotline one. Eight hundred six five six hope If they're folks at You want to talk further about this and You know just hearing some of this and knowing that there are people who are wanting to give more avenues to survivors Eight to be able to tell their story as well as seek justice for those who have created harm to them What are your thoughts and your hearing stories about wanting to change his statute of limitations. Do you think they should even exist? One eight hundred nine six two four eight is the number Elsie. Thank you very much I want to go to a caller. We have limit in eastern Washington joining us today. Thank you for calling in go ahead. You're on here thank you. Yeah I never understood why there was even a statute of limitations. I was pressured into sex at fifteen by an extended family member and I think that I Sexual intercourse at least twice. He he wanted me to give him oral sex and pressured me into doing that and In nineteen sixty eight I thought okay. This is You know I'm cool. And maybe it's okay but I really didn't want it and I have to say I'm sixty eight now and it really messed with my understanding of my relationship with NASA I subsequently Never told anybody. I was ashamed. Embarrassed I didn't want to be a victim either and You know 'cause I was mature grown-up right anyway I didn't realize later how bad that was. And I realized that subsequently my attitude toward men was okay. I just roll over for men and I'm pray and then I felt like pray like I was always pray I was very pretty and sexy and stuff and I was just a prayer and it was funny men off and I never ever ever thought even in my twenty why is there a statute of limitations on this. It seems so weird to me I mean. Why would you like? It's going to like the victim or so-called whatever we were are like it ends. It doesn't it goes on forever so that never ever made sense to me. It's still and I thought you know. I'm glad someone's advocating for reducing or eliminating whatever eliminating statue of limitations on child-sex-abuse. Because we know now you know it's it's not something that someone should just be able to do again and again that's what it is. It is horrible Lynette. A thank you for calling in. Thank you for sharing. Your story is well in Micheli. Turn it back to you because you know as we heard from the net you know. Why does this even exist What are your thoughts anytime that we hear arguments against lifting a statute of limitations? What is it? We're really hearing Well it's interesting Because this year while we were in front of the House. Judiciary Committee Advocating for bill One of the former chairman of the committee Timothy. John said you know we really just want closure with our laws so there has to be a time limit and I thought well. That's ironic that he and legislators want closure you know. And that's why either they're voting against our bill is because they want closure And how ironic is that because so many survivors? All just they would love to have closure but but can't it can't even get their voices heard because of these blocks that are happening in the in the statutes and in the litigation So that's often one of the things that we hear is that you know. The defendant have to have their right and they have to have a time limit because they can't go back and defend these claims. That are so old and that kind of thing. So there's a lot of arguments that we here we call it the playbook because everybody On the opponent side have had similar arguments That I just don't think hold any water to the type of damage that we as a society occur every time. A child is abused any form on especially a child sexual abuse so I'm definitely with college. Dispatched limitations needs to be eliminated for this. Well thank you for that. Of course again. Thank you to You know the folks who have the courage to speak their truth in telling us about you know how this is affected them in you know when it comes down to what we're talking about. Today's we're talking about lies or talking about people are talking about survivors As well as that intersection with the law. Maybe this frustrates you. Maybe you have run into some of this And you want to share some thoughts In parents to what do you think about You know what? This discussion is In speaking of this Being something that you've had to confront You know to protect your child. We want to hear from you. Two phone lines are open. One eight hundred nine nine six two four eight is a number and what more work can be done. What more needs to open up To make sure that Those in our communities are safe their thoughts on this give us a call one eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is number We do look forward to your calls. If it feels more comfortable to call him anonymously can liked the circle of life. There is an opportunity that comes around. Every TEN YEARS. A chance to participate and lead our voice be heard it. Lets others know who we are and where we are? The twenty twenty census will be our opportunity to shape our future for generations to come shape. Our Future start here. Learn more at twenty. Twenty cents is dot Gov paid for by the US Census Bureau. Thank you for joining us today. Here on native America calling and they're still time if you want to join our conversation. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number With us on the line today. is A couple of folks including Michelle Defy any ECCLES. An attorney and advocate for child sex abuse survivors from the native American boarding schools And she is a CO founder of the Organization of nine. Little Girls. Also here joining us today. Adminis- Minneapolis Minnesota is Christine Dean. Dc McLean and she is executive director of National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition and she is Turtle Mountain. Ojibway my pleasure to have her here with us as well and Christine. I'm I know you're doing work on on this issue as well And we also heard from a survivor in in. We'll continue to hear from them. Imagine as our goes in Christine just knowing what all of this means especially when the statute of limitations is a reason. Somebody doesn't get justice. What would you like to say We definitely support removing the statute of limitations I think this issue in particular focusing on the statute of limitations and the Access to justice highlights the larger issue at hand. Which is that Not only in cases of of sexual abuse at these federal Indian boarding schools or church run Indian boarding schools that we Haven't had access to justice but in large part Folks in Indian country have not had access to justice on on many issues. And so you know we have a I have mixed opinions myself personally about You know whether or not a lawsuit is really What what is needed when we look at Canada and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that happened. You know granted you know. People have criticized some of the outcomes but that did Start as a result of a class action lawsuit four Residential School abuses. So there is that access to justice in that avenue but we know that it has to go beyond a legal court cases and And monetary reparations. What we're really getting is healing. What we're really trying to get at is the fact that we need acknowledgment from these institutions from our government. Who's this you know? This was the result of federal policy to take our children and put them in these institutions. Where they were abused and neglected So it's kind of a larger issue. Yes we want our survivors to be able to have access to justice and therefore the statute of limitations is is something that should be removed. We don't need that there. To protect these people who were the perpetrators and the abusers in fact we know for half we know for a fact that the Catholic Church Moved people around. They moved priests who were offenders. two different diocese and in fact. They moved them specifically to reservations when they became Offenders so we had higher concentration of these sexual offenders at Indian boarding schools and on our reservation. So yes they should be held accountable. Yes we should have justice but it needs to go beyond that in Christine. What do you think about the argument that this was in the past in? I'm sure you've heard some of that. Come UP IN COURT CASES ANYTHING TO SHARE. Oh Yeah we know for. We have both Anecdotal evidence as well as Empirical data that says You know that there are ongoing affects That you know whether it was in the past generations or in the past if somebody's life that it does continue to impact individuals families and communities Through through the trauma that they experienced in their lifetime or through intergenerational trauma which means that behaviors and trump trauma responses. Get passed down to people as well as The fact that you know some of these sex offenders are living in our communities. Which is one of the more harder and difficult issues to address is when it's you know it's in our community will thank you for being here with us today. I'm going to turn back to the phone lines. Were GONNA GO AHEAD? And Welcome in Regina. Who's on the line in Pine Ridge South Dakota to dinner on? Kfi Ally Regina thank you for calling. You're on air. Okay thank you very much. I went to school holy Rosary mission and I know that a lot of priests left the priesthood and I know of one that changed just made how many people how many priest who committed sexual offenses or molesting change their names when they left the priesthood. And could that be looked into by going to schools and finding out because there are a lot of victims? Who are still alive and I know some of some of them were already interviewed a long time ago back in the eighties or nineties when they first started trying to file and South Dakota rejected it so how many of them were former priest Morella Gina. Thank you for asking Christine any thoughts for Regina. Yeah that's a really good question. I do know of a website called Bishop Accountability Dot Org. It's An independent website That tracks abusers in in the Catholic Church and so that website You know has a whole database of priest who has Been Accused of abuse. And I don't know if it necessarily tracks name changes but I know there is a lot of information on that website. Thank you for that Regina. Thank you for calling we. Now go to mark in Pine Ridge South Dakota tuned in on. Kfi Ally Mark. Thank you for calling. You're on here. Thank you for taking my call My name is mark butter. Baroda retired Commissioned Officer in the Public Health Service I was a physician in the Indian Health Service for twenty years and spent fifteen years trying to get Patrick Weber removed from medical staff privileges. He was Raping Boys and his exam room in eight Oklahoma Browning Montana and for about twenty years in Pine Ridge South Dakota and finally he was arrested and convicted and his will spend the rest of his life in prison. But we were running into a lot of problems with the statute of limitations in terms of trying to get civil damages for His many victims and the government Is exceedingly hard to sue and the statute of limitations makes it even more difficult moreover There was an internal investigation of the Indian Health Service. That was just released Which is very damning and suggests that the cover up of Dr Webber for decades was done at the highest levels of the Indian Health Service however the Indian Health Service has chosen not to release the findings of that investigation. So even in an institution that Ostensibly there to serve native people There's much secrecy and much. Obstruction of efforts to get justice for the survivors of criminal like Patrick Weber and a lot of have been following that case too in mark. I'm your thoughts to those who who have yet to be able to speak their truth One of the things that was so emotional at the sentencing of Weber was the testimony of the brave Young men who were able to come forward and it was very emotional I broke down several times and I was I felt privileged that I had Stood up for them all those years. but I know there's more of them out there that have not come forward and those of us who are are concerned about these crimes will continue to seek justice for them because it validates them and and and gives them some chance of getting their lives back on track after What he did to them all right mark. Thank you for calling in We now go to Marlin in Fort Hall Idaho tuned in on Kyw. Su Marlin. Thank you for calling. You're on here. Thank you My name is Marlin Cisco and I was sixty two It was born and raised in Oklahoma Shan. But I've been All over the place Washington. Dc FOR THIRTY YEARS. Now there's been four hall but And I'm in recovery and I work with a lot of Recovering alcoholics fanatics over the years So one of the things I was molested I an older cousin. Starting from the age of about five until I was about eleven or twelve and He was six years older than me so It was the age difference. One of the things Difficulties is secrecy around family incest and the shame that it carries route difficult to talk about I can talk about it today. Only because I've been in therapy for at least twenty years And I had to go through a lot of phase two for healing I mean for a long time. I thought it was my fault. And that one of the difficulties of One of the callers talked about didn't know sexual Being sexually assaulted was a a term. And it's true for a lot of this who are victims of like we participate. So it's our choice and it's not violence against us so 'cause we chose it but my therapist took me out when they and had me look at a six year old sending next to twelve year old and he said who has choice and it changed my life that day. So the other part of this. I think everybody's I'm on the side of moving the specialist limitations and like the colors to agree that have to be more than just court cases and legal ramifications that has to therapy and I mean. That's what happened with me in a lot of times it. It takes a lifetime to heal to in a really appreciate you sharing your story. Marlin into Come to terms with this knows really heavy and a lot of times What ends up happening with the abuse. Our methods to try in quo The person who they've targeted from speaking in in learning more about The nine sisters case that there was some of that that was going on to and so Christina WanNa turn to you you know when we have this also being brought up in cases You know the the abuse it went on also sometimes includes others those that were in a row that that were also around Those who maybe were covering things up for the abuser. In you know are they ever targeted? Do we ever bring lawsuits against them Christine? Well so I not an attorney so I can't really speak to that What I do think when you talk about that though is how How there is a need for healing for all of us right so the Catholic Church in in the cases that we're talking about Specifically they should have done a better job of addressing the abuse in the abuser. Right what was going on with those people that they were abusing children and then you know taking that a step further and and when it comes to our communities and Our our own relatives abusing US absolutely. We need to look at the abuser and give them The support and the resources that they need for their own healing. That is the only way that we're going to move past this within our own communities will thank you for the Michelle any thoughts on that. I agree We it it's GonNa take a lot more Like you're saying and then just pursuing the statute of limitations because it just gets us in the door legislatively Are you know into litigation There's so much beyond that that we need for healing and I'm glad that there's so much being done. by NAB and Other organizations and I'm so proud of our survivors for having such courage to come forward and speak out which is really helping all of the other survivors around them to and also we're getting to a place where we can really get to prevention. So I'm I'm just happy with that. Things are moving forward And at the same time wish we could go farther and deeper faster you know with our effort in Christine. We've got a couple of minutes before we have to wrap up here in. Of course we're talking about adults here but even advice on how to spot win sexual abuse is happening Maybe even with children in our life any thoughts as we get ready to close out. I'm definitely not an expert I'm not a therapist or counselor but I would I would say just you know. Keep an eye on your children talk to them. Make sure that they Have other adults in their lives. That that you trust that they trust that they can talk to I know I was also sexually abused the child and you know didn't talk about it until I was in my thirties and in therapy and then I I still didn't WanNa tell my mother so So if it's your own children make sure that there's other people around them That they can talk to in in case they Are Not able to talk to you. Directly all right and Do WanNA share another resource. The darkness to light help line. is a place. Where if you're suspecting that child abuse happening You can call. They can help Req- to people in your area. 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#211: Men of War, Pt. 1 Gallipoli (1981)
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The show of movie of the Week podcast devoted to classic film and how it's shaped our thoughts on a recent release. I'm Tasha Robinson. Here with Scott Tobias and genevieve Kofsky for next two episodes were digging down into the trenches and slogging through the mud in the blood of World War One with two films about young soldiers in desperate situations and as a special nod to one of the films were about to discuss. We're we're going to have this conversation in continuous real time. Wait what you heard me. This is going to be one of the most ambitious expensive podcast episodes ever produced. It's going to be breathtaking. We're GONNA talk about these movies in what seems like an unbroken flowing stream rather than constantly cutting away from this conversation the Tasha you know. That's pretty normal for a podcast. Cast wait what basically we just sit down and have these conversations about film with each other in real time I mean I tweak them a little to remove conversational dead ends and verbal baubles but adults edits are usually pretty much invisible in result always comes out pretty much like a real time continuous exchange. That isn't really all that innovative or expensive. For that matter may still still be telling me IT'S A it's pretty standard for podcast listeners. To not know who's GonNa die during an episode or which one of our podcast is going to be forced to murder somebody in a moment of extreme danger. Oh hello look. We argue sometimes by hope. None of us is planning to kill anyone here at the table. But we'll speak for yourself keith because Tasha keeps needling me about how much she hits tropical malady. We're just talking about war movies tonight Tasha. We're not actually going to war. And we're not trying to simulate the experience of stumbling through a war unlike the two thumbs. We're here to talk about fine. You seem to know a lot about what's going on. Why don't you set us up for this week's big unpredictable real time battle? Sure I'd be happy to it's not a very belligerent. unwarlike attitude Peters nineteen eighty. One Film Gallipoli follows a pair of young Australian men who joined the war effort out of a mixture of patriotism pride and recklessness and wind up in the trenches on the Turkish peninsula of Gallipoli during a particularly horrific moment in a tragic battle there Sam Mendez's current film nineteen seventeen which was just nominated for ten Academy Awards similarly Mullaly takes place during a world war one battle logs time among the weary men in the trenches there were glibly is a kind of mosaic jumping around to establish its characters lives in the pressures in hopes hopes. Take them to war. Mendez drops viewers into the middle of the conflict and introduces his two young protagonists as they set out on a mission that he presents in real time in a story carefully crafted to appear as if it's one continuous shot. These are two different stories about young men in World War One but they both center on surprisingly young men delivering crucial messages trying to save lives. It's a key Intel for the much older commanders. Sending thousands of boys like them into battle and in both films time hangs heavily over the characters in a variety of ways as the clocks. Run down boasts of friends get pushed relentlessly closer to a final bloody conflict. That's why we all time was so important to this episode. We're GONNA do it. All in one unbroken take weight genevieve for you've fading me out and bringing up the music for a break. I've wanted to be a film critic since I was sixteen years old and I've been fortunate enough to turn my passion into a profession. 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He makes the process of cracking the story send a lot like the structure of the story itself. He started off with an idea about a world war one narrative breath and a friend pointed him toward the Australian involvement at Gallipoli. The Turkish peninsula were some key battles took place is Britain. Allies attempted to knock Turkey out of the war and lost a quarter of a million soldiers before acknowledging defeat in withdrawing a year later while in Britain for the premiere of his film Picnic at hanging rock. We're took a side trip to the battlefield where he says he wandered around for two days among the detritus of a war from sixty years earlier among belton bones and shells from the war. He found an unbroken bottle of fruit salts which we see in his final film acquaint gift from ladies Auxiliary Overseas Senate random to a young soldier who finds it hilariously off-base irrelevant to his current life. The setting in the sense of lives lived and lost on that spot inspired. We're but he says it still took years to crack with the foam should actually be and the development process like the film itself happened in short scattered pieces. He says he and screenwriter. David Williamson initially wanted to start with the characters enlistment in nineteen fourteen and tell the story up to the evacuation of Gallipoli in nineteen fifteen but their drafts. It's felt incomplete now to focus we're told literature slash film quarterly nineteen eighty-one. We are not getting it with this thing was the burning center. That made Columbia legend. I could never find the answers in any books. And it certainly wasn't evolving in any of our drafts. So he put the legend one side and simply made up story about two young men really got to know them. Where are they came from? What happened to them along? The way spent more time getting to the battle and less time on the battlefield. The draft fell into place by approaching the subject obliquely. I think we'd come close close to touching the source of the methods we could. I think there's a Chinese proverb. It's not the arriving at one's destination but the journey matters. Gallipoli is about two young men on the road to adventure venture how they crossed continents in Groshans climbed the Pyramids and walked through the ancient sands of Egypt and the desert to the outback to their appointment with destiny at Gallipoli. Compared to Sam Mendez's World War One drama. Nineteen seventeen which we'll talk about next week Gallipoli may seem scattered as it jumps around. Through incidents in the lives of two young men. Eighteen year old stockman racing champ archie. Hamilton played by newcomer. Mark Lee and railway worker and runner Frank Dunn played by a startlingly young Mogensen. The two briefly meet at a local festival where Archie is after. Break a speed record and frank is just hoping to bet on himself and win enough money to start a small business but he loses the race in winds up broke any tags along with archie. Who's running away from? I'm home and hoping to join the military. Archie is a Patriot full of idealistic dreams about the glory of war. While frank just lets himself be needled into enlisting because archery's accusations of cowardice hurt his pride and because arches conviction infectious. They're separated and then reunited so they both end up traveling. The world on their way to go paulie global is a coming of age movie and and for one of these two characters and ending age movie. But it's also an illustration of an ideal from Australian culture one that has parallels in other countries but maybe not as precise a term from overseas the Larrikin streak. That is the impulse among young men to be Brash Rowdy and anti-authoritarian but in a well-meaning playful way was commonly noted didn't newspaper editorials and literature in the early nineteen hundreds but in World War One specifically it took on a positive spin for Australian culture as Larrikin boys were seen as the national national contribution to an international war. We're specifically captures. The larrikin impulse with his young soldiers mocking the British racing up the Pyramids in Egypt and tricking their way into an officer's there's ball and there's a particular streak in Archie who's under-age and has to fake his way into the army with francs help and glued on facial hair. Archie has his deep seated beliefs about what what Australia the war effort against the Evil Hon. And he can be preachy and judge mental and frank crosses them but both characters are also mischievous and boyish and they seem to see wars larque until they actually get there but the tragedy of Gallipoli isn't just that they're betrayed by incompetent commanders and bad communication. It isn't that they trap themselves in the conflict. And you're left with no way out. It's the up to the end. Both barely passed boyhood and we're captures both sunny hopes and their fears their courage under fire the way their conviction shapes them and by the final final scene both of them are still as we met them in the beginning of that road to adventure with archie running as fast as he can and frank looking for an escape. They're both meant to embody the flower of Australian in youth as lively young men with good hearts the best intentions. The tragedy hasn't where the Larrikin spirit leads them. It's the way the body so many other young men with the same spirits led to the same awful inevitable that end We might say because he's a bright. Yeah so did you guys have any past relationship to glibly. I mean I. I have a pretty strong relationship to this film computer. We're in general I think Peter. Weir's a filmmaker who should be talked about. This is an absolute master and isn't quite as much for my taste easy. He's made a lot. The Great Films Gallipoli I would include among them on the other thing. I remember leaving globally. I saw it had been a while since I've seen it I I Feel like you're reminded reviewed it for on DVD or something for one of our publications so maybe not that long ago but but my feeling is that it's got you know one of the all time great powerful endings of film ever basically. Just it kills me every single time I see it and this time I watched it in the context of a a whole bunch of other films about World War One. I wrote a piece for the Guardian connected to nine hundred. Seventeen about sort of the history of films about that war four and Globally just fits so well into that tradition about eager young men who are hopped up on nationalism in who ultimately fall parade to you know the catastrophic decisions an arrogance of their leaders that is the story of World War One and you see that story played it out again and again in movies like all quiet on the western front in the in the big parade in House of Glory. I mean all the subject of these films are in so It was nice to see glibly really following that tradition and then also do things a little bit differently by giving you just this little bit of battle at the end and it so effective that way. Too Shorten as Peter. We Are you told the story your intro about how the script came together. It feels so right that the amount of time they're actually embattled you could even call it. That is a couple of minutes since the end of the movie. Basically determine you know they just comes out of a comes out of the trenches when they shouldn't come out of the trenches and everyone gets mowed down on the movie so in that and that really you see that happens so often in world war one movies where were you all this time the trenches and then You know you poke your head out and you're up against all sorts of machine gun nests and you don't get you very far so I don't know I'm rambling but I do think it's a it's a very powerful film I'm like at the exact opposite end of the spectrum from Scott I had pretty much. No Experience Gallipoli. I knew it by name. I think I knew it was a war movie. And that's about outed but After watching this you know. I'm kind of a regretting that fact because I really enjoyed this movie and I was kind of surprised at the extent to which which I enjoyed it I was fully expecting to kind of come out of it with the sort of like a respected. What was going for just wasn't for me type type of reaction which is Kind of what. I ended up having a lot of war. Movies are movies that are playing in the the realm that I assumed Gallipoli was playing in but You you know as as you note it really only becomes a quote unquote traditional war movie in the last twenty minutes or so Everything leading up to that. I was really disoriented watching being this movie in a in a pleasant way. Because it's I didn't know what I was seeing like. This is like a sports movie now. It's it's training movie like in there. I was like when when are we getting to the fireworks. Factory even really want to get to the fireworks factory so much but like it's just really enjoyable in a lot of like it's a beautiful filmed. Look at the photography. The Australian landscapes the Cairo portion that shot on the pyramids you know and even in the once once they get that underwater shot. I feel like we. We're GONNA have to talk about that but it it was just. It really drew me in in the effect of that was when I got to that final shot and that abrupt ending. It just really really threw me for a loop one of those experience where I kinda just sat quietly through the credits I had to process it. I'm still kind of processing and I only watched it last night but yeah this was a really kind of surprising and enlightening viewing experience for me so I guess we're kind of in the middle because I'm with Scott in that Peter. I think a great filmmaker who's not talked about enough I think he's made a number of stone cold masterpieces picnic at hanging rock. Because if you haven't seen it's haunted me ever since I've seen it I think fearless is is is one of those two movie. Not Enough people saw or talk. How about anymore? But it's an incredibly powerful this film with that list but I also saw for the first time I was doing a lot of war movie article and I just haven't got around to this one and and and yeah it's a it's a great movie and I and I never got it again to precisely the ways in which is great but I think both of you touched on part of what makes it so powerful as all the time you you spend with these. These boys boys boys you know before you get there and help brief the the battle is and I think it's so poignant but I mean you know the battle at the end the the sense that this is death no matter what they do everyone doing this is going to die. There's no chance but it's part of the process of warrant and like I think it's you know the rare warm maybe to tell us the truth about war by showing things like that. That part of command is sending people. The you know are going to die to serve a larger purpose I I kept thinking of the chapter in Cavalier clay they're talking about the the the flag signaller and how the average age average time they live is like forty two seconds. So continuance sending people out to die to serve this one part of the war and and it's part of the horrible calculus of warfare. But Yeah I was. I was blown away by seeing this and I'm happy we're talking about it. I wasn't expecting to have one of those movies that I saw and wrote what I needed to write about it and then I had no one to talk to you about it so is and so glad most want to find out. Why is that donkey laughing? I never really got the postcard but I I saw Gallipoli in college and I just remembered it as a spectacular lead a powerful and moving film. And we're watching it. I had the same sort of when we get the fireworks factory for feeling but it wasn't. When do we get to any specific action? beat it. It was like why don't we get to the tremendously moving part. I didn't remember most of the incident from this movie. I just remembered the emotional shock of it. And as we're just kinda like Larrabee through like all of these different little adventure Litz I just I just kept thinking like none of this has the impact that I remember And I felt a little well oil dismissive about some of it along the way it reminded me a lot of the the boys cutting up In Mash which we talked about endlessly especially the sequence where for the soldiers led by Mel Gibson's character. Basically harass and bully and Egyptian shopkeeper. And then find out they've they've harassed and bullied the wrong man except except they most of them don't know and it's very clear that they're not actually going to do anything about it but the fun just picks up. It's a big rolling stone. It picks up power and impact as it goes forward. And then you get to that ending and you realize where it's been going all the time it reminds me in that sense of Nicholas. Rogues don't look now there's a lot of stuff in the movie that's just sort of okay. That's interesting but why is it here and then you get to the end. You realize why everything's there you realize the impact of of the cumulative effect of getting to know these characters and then seeing what becomes of them and I once again I came out of a very moved. Yeah once Adagio for strings kicks in five minutes before the end of the movie and just in you know kind of what's what's coming and all this preparation that everyone is making. Did I basically. There's you get little bits of a letter to a loved one. You get someone putting their ring on on the health of a knife to left against the trenches were somebody else to pick up. And there's just there's like this almost like the music gives it almost like this the quality of like a religious or spiritual ritual that they're all having to go through before This terrible inevitability it kills me. It's the it's so moving and like and of course the end is the famous little final shot which became the poster for the movie. Strange thing to do you just eat it. Clear what that significance is the significance of that is and how it matches up with him. You know crossing the finish line. I guess as runner that stance but whatever its first grade beautiful so beautiful that freeze frame and the music. That you mentioned it underlined for me that this is a crescendo. Like the whole movie has just been building building building in. You think you really see that. In the way that the war like the reality of war just gets closer and closer and more in focus as the film progresses because it opens with you know these guys kind of reading reading about Gallipoli in the paper in talking about it talking about whether they don't want to join up and then you know we get closer to it as we get to Perth within the actual recruitment and get a little closer to it in Cairo with the training in the wargames and then we even all the way up to the landing on the beach limply like even though they're actually in the thick of it at that point they're still the sort of sense of almost frivolity there's definitely explosions shells counseling. Excellent going in the background. But everyone's still like like Franks looking for bacon like he was solicitor playfulness or. This isn't really real sense to it right up until that last sequence when they're actually going out of the trench in it's like this is the moment where it becomes real in that that really does feel like the emotional center of of the movie like the slow dawning of the realization of what war really is and what it really means to die for your country once. You're actually doing it and not reading about it in the paper. There's an to degree to which the Adagio for strings sequence. I didn't I didn't entirely take it as is kind of a reaching an emotional climax of the movie I took it almost as a reminder like this is a very rarefied thing like the fact that Major Barton has his own record player like a kind of ridiculous luxury at the edge of the front line. And he's playing this music and singing along with it and people keep kind of like peering into His little H. Q.. Like looking at him. Leakey's crazy this is like listening to classical. Music is kind kind of an older man's thing and kind of an upper class man's thing and they they can't really relate to it and you put that in contrast with all the things you see Franken Archie doing throughout the film. You know laughing at a pitcher of male genitals during a briefing on sexually transmitted diseases or clowning around with each other and like breaking into to an officer's party in order to guzzle down free free champagne lake all of these. These games are like young man's games and then you get just this brief view of like an older older man's life an older man's love an older man's of marriage and older man's entertainment and it's a reminder that they're never gonNA reach that age themselves. They're never going to come to a place where they're going to like appreciate the same kind of things the same kind of lives. Maybe frank will. Maybe he survived the battle. Maybe he takes the message back. He's the one who survives to tell the leadership well it didn't work out and everyone's dead But for Archie. The story ends here. He's never going to be a major Barton he's he's never going to kiss a Kind of gentle but homely looking wife who's going to beg him to come back like none of these things are prospects for him. Imagine how what frank is coming back with to say frank survives. What memories does he have to be broken by what you've experienced in his? I mean that you know. So then that film with his reaction when he doesn't make it when he can't get the message across when that wave goes anyway it just pierces the heart and his motivations ovation's for being there are so distinct from our cheese in you so you can kind of extrapolate how he would walk away it from this battle differently than Archie would obviously archie doesn't but if the if the roles were reversed like what's interesting about. Frank is again his his motivations nations for the war because he spends a good portion of the first act of this movie ca saying he. He doesn't WanNa do at an even when archie is like flat out telling him he should join the war effort. Can we discuss amongst ourselves. What what's the turning point for? Frank like what what. What makes him decide? This is what he wants to do. What's his real motivation? Here a pick it feels like designing better too. Yeah Yeah there is some of that. There's there's definitely some of him being motivated by Archie calling him a coward word out in the the dried up desert but I think to some degree the the real turning point is when the light horse turns away when he can't out up a horse and okay mock him and he sees his younger boy. Go off to do something he's been told he's not good enough to do. I don't think he would immediately go off in enlist list without that but then when he runs into his friends and they're all headed off to do it. Like here's here's an outfit. He knows he can get into. He can be doing something with his pals but he can also kind of prove that. He's good enough after having been told in no uncertain terms. Oh you're not good enough and you're not as good as this like younger boy. WHO believes so much stronger or stronger than you do? I agree I think that's like what pushed him over the edge but I think his tune starts to change when they're at that cattle stop after crossing the lake bed meeting the man with the camel. That whole that whole adventure in Archie is talking about how they're traveling to Perth to join up or how he is and he gets toasted and all the the pretty girls are sort of looking at him admiringly and you kind of have this look at frank looking kind of like left out or jealous you know that felt to me that that that was where Franks sort of engagement with the idea of actually joining up begins and then getting turned away from the light horse. I'm sure amplified provide it more than hooking up with his mates In infantry I think is just went pushed it over for him but it gives it gives them a method. He's Pablo possibly already got the motive but it gives them a method. So I mean this is a very episodic movie there are all of these little bits and pieces there's the potentially fatal walk across the the River Pan there's the whole Enlistment the enlistment segment there is the Egypt segment with all of its different parts. Like are there particular. Take your parts of this that that work or don't work for you. At particularly strongly everything every piece works in counts and matters because it is still building something. It's still building this friendship between the two of them and it is leading US slowly and inexorably to the end in all those elements are so distinct. You know it'd be to think about like yeah. That's a fifty mile trek that they end up taking to Perth across that lake bed and that encounter with a camel drivers maybe is one of the most important things in the film because because they he doesn't even know there's a war on the war on our cheese arches things like you know what you know. The Germans could over there and then come over here. The tabled drivers like they're welcome to it right. This is like you look around. And it's just it's just arid desert so it's not really. It's such an absurd thing to think about but I mean this this is just the film kind of gets at is just how available young people like. This are to become pawns in this. In whatever the game they're leaders are trying to play. I mean that you you can is the call to adventure right. I mean he even archie has a little bit more of a mission in mind and he he. He wants to fight for his country. But for Frank. It's like it's it's that classic call to adventure and RT's do in it and You know he kinda gets swept up in it as well all I mean. I think it's it's very. It becomes very easy to find people like this. I mean remind me a little bit of like the. I saw all quiet on the western front. The nine hundred thirty four Alabama or one in that film is all about the teach starts with a teacher at a German teacher who's who's kind of rallying his his male students to join the fight and they don't know anything they don't don't know what's going on they don't know what's what's at stake but for their country and all the other boys are doing it and some of the some of the more reluctant ones are kind of swept along and I think that's kind of the story about how wars Boris Happen in in in how bodies are supplied For these these types of fights right yeah in the way. It's dressed up on the home front as as soon and that. You know patriotic duty. Do this to you know and I am not an expert on Australian history but my sense is that this was a kind of a turning point in independence don't since the Australian need to be an independent country would not serve the interest of Great Britain. FM visiting when no more about that than I do. I did a little research about in. I did want to jump into talk about that. Because there is a slightly different context here in the Gallipoli campaign came just fourteen years after the Federation of Australia. So it's considered sittard sort of one of the first examples of Australians participating in a in an event as Australians rather than a bunch of commonwealths and it's as I understand it from from my reading and if we have any Australian listeners I would I would love to hear more context about this but it sounds like this is The Glee the campaign is sort of considered a big moment in the nationhood of Australia. It's sort of wrapped up in what Tasha was talking about a Larrikin ISM. I'm in mateship. which is another apparently key element of of the Australian national identity in which is certainly a big part of this movie as well? The idea of mateship in Australia and meet is kind of more than just a friend. It's a term that implies a sense of shared experience mutual respect and unconditional assistance. Which I think we definitely see between frank and archie but also between Franken has his other pals snowy and forget the certainly? Yeah so yeah like as a World War One story this is kind of maybe not unique but different from I think a lot of the other World War One movies that we've that we've seen gene just in terms of what this specific point in history means to Australian history. Your think it's gone. Maybe a crucial point to it in contrast with some some of the other one movies which are really holy bleak and cynical about the entire affair the sacrifices that these his boss make are not in vain. That there's something that there's a spirit or there's something that they embody that is inspiring and something constructive that the country could kind of carry forward. After this unfortunate event you kind of see it play out again. Going back to that scene with the camera is a camera caller. Dromedary I I never got a good look at its back We we see it off in the distance and the predators Campbell driver. Okay Jerry. Very driver not necessarily much considered a thing But this older guy who you know is kind of rooted in this pre unification nation period of Australia and doesn't have really an understanding of the patriotism that Archie is carrying into this this desire to to join up in it not not even really patriotism. It is more of a call to adventure that seems to be kind of wrapped up in the Australian identity to a certain extent as well but sort of the idea of serving himself as Australian rather than a guy from the bush. I do want to go back to this idea of Stronger and weaker segments because in spite of what Scott said the kind of about how all of these pieces work equally. I just for me. That's not true. Some of the strongest strongest ones. I think the race across the outback with one man on a horse one man on foot I think is just so key to understanding who archie is understanding how quickly he takes a slight as a challenge and how quickly he is to to take up a cause even if it's one that's damaging damaging to him that self destructive that's a really terrible idea and yet how much hearty has I mean he can. He finishes that race with his feet torn up. He wins because the other man falls off his horse but you know he he just he rises to the occasion and he hurts himself dreadfully in the process and it just it seems Shatman. That's trough eight like that. It seems like such a great introduction to a character but also just like a great little bit of strange adventure like it just an a really exciting sequence and the trudge across the dried up. Lake feels so much like something out of Lawrence of Arabia. You know that the the the crossing the desert scene in Lawrence of Arabia. It's kind of terrifying way that from even the war. Sequences aren't again. There's just the sense of. I'm going to do what I've decided to do. And I'm not going to let nature stop me and as the Archie repeatedly finds that nature can indeed stop him. There's kind of a reconsideration ration- but did not much of a dimming of spirits and then that sequence that genevieve mentioned where everybody's strips down and jump into the water and then they're just sort of dealing pulling with shelling And trying to stay underwater in order to avoid getting getting shot. Like what a strange sequence. But how memorably Sean. Yeah and why. Why did why did he get money at the end of it? I didn't understand the whole insurance Element of it or betting. I think it was very clearly explained. My understanding standing was that they had a bet on that was basically the last man to come up out of the water would win the when the pot and everybody dumped their money in but they weren't expecting the shelling like it. It really plays out because of the lack of explanation like it's like hey man get shot gets the pot. Yeah but I don't think that's the case I. It seems like they were trying into stay underwater and then when suddenly bullets began flying they had to stay underwater and it seemed like they gave the pot to the man that got wounded kind of as a sort of a largish compensation since two. Yeah like a little bit of Larrikin ISM or a little bit of mateship if you like just hey we. We didn't mean for this to get anybody hurt art and I hear what what the heck just in the spirit of Camaraderie. You can have the money. There's money you're going to die before you can spend. It was bored with having fun right. He can Send that money back to back home in exchange for and by himself a case of fruit. Salt to answer your question about you know if there are any segments that maybe don't work as well as Others Tasha. I will say that the I don't want to say the Cairo segman goes on too long because like length and pacing is not this movie's problem but I feel like I didn't need to spend quite so much time in the bazaars brothels of Cairo with with that group of guys there's a lot in the Cairo scenes scenes that are amazing the race of the Pyramids that shot of them at the top and carving their names into the Pyramids and other all of that I love of like I guess maybe when I'm Kinda dancing around is the connection between Archie and frank is so strong and then we have this other side element of Frank's Franks other mates that I mentioned snowy Barney and billy and that sequences kind of a lot about francs connection with them and and it feels a little like were just setting the table so that they can die later in hindsight you know like I don't know how necessary that that dynamic is in the context of what. The movie is achieving with Franken Archie. But it's a minor complaint. I liked all the the local Colorado the sort of period period details and and what that culture was of soldiers in Egypt of the time but also I liked the question of which one is reluctant to to go to the prostitute is snowing now. You know it's Kinda raise the question like what what is virtue mean in the face of of imminent death. U2 You know And it's kind kind of touching the that he would try to hold onto that and Improv naive of him to try to hold onto that in this moment when well deaths right right around the corner and we don't know whether he dies but if he does he does a virgin and was proud of it because he was he was he was able to like look because his bride in the face on his wedding night which he didn't think anybody else would be able to I for me. The Cairo scenes do go on a little long but I found them fascinating like even if there there may be a little to drag your a little too much. Focus away from from the Archie Frank relationship for the film. They're just so fascinating in a historical sense. It's you know there's just a there's a real sense that we're really did get into the bazaars and brothels of Egypt at the time and you know even if he's recreating something from from much earlier in the century like what a what a strange time like it just I found myself thinking like I'm never gonNA go there like Egypt has has been on and off safe interests for for American tourists for quite a while and these days they don't I don't believe they let you run up the Pyramids and carve your name ain't on them or play rugby among the pure play right like just a what a what a different era and what an interesting portrait of that. I found it fascinating. Living in the world friend though Murray always found fascinating for instance Seventies Movies said that wander through Times Square in New York. You know you're you're seeing being a recreation of a specific thing or a fictional version of a specific thing but all around you as a backdrop of a real place that's in some ways is gonna you're never gonNA see again so he you know as much as I got a little tired of them Banging around on on mules singing songs about how awesome they were. I thought I just thought every moment of that film was a fascinating little bit of historical tourism and he likes to be outside appear. We're here you know. He's this is the director of a master commander of of mosquito coast of of the year of living injury of last wave of beaming and hanging rock. This is for for that reason witness right exactly. These dead poet's society is what does that is inside. Show a little more indoors but but but but he he he certainly has A Beautiful I and Green Card is set largely greenhouse. That starts have you seen Greek artists. Old Old Greenhouses apartment with. That's the reason why they why that relationship underrated is so is back me up on the screen card guard underrated green card. I've seen that with any McDowell and and Gerard Depardieu Gerard at the height of. You Know I. It's been so long I don't feel like I can. I can say didn't really. I'm sorry you're as you're stumping for weird. Generalized in the outdoor connection is actually a really good one year. You're right about I think he might just be a man who loves his natural light and his outdoor settings. But I I mean what do you see other strong connections between these. These are films with very different kind of Foci in this film. Looks a lot like hanging talk to me. Just in terms of the very people can look at each visuals and like the just the sense of kind of the exhaustion of being out in outside in Australia but like DC connections thematically between his work. Well Yeah I mean well also let me look at Look at master commander I mean. That's that's that's so beautiful. Such a massive is is such a great phone. I truly one of the great films of the of the century and again didn't get the respect that I think people love it now. There should be like three sequels to it though I mean I sir but but then he but he has a sense of historical authenticity is important to him. It's important that there'd be this a A very specific nick your detail oriented authentic feel to his work You laid in master and commander and he's very good. He's got a good alright. Alright last wave film he he did right before Cappelli or a few years before Gallipoli very bleached looking film if I recall correctly. Here's a question sir. I don't get to drop but what I liked the Truman show for saw it now. It just did not do a thing for me. I thought it was just kind of Oh man having revisited it not terribly long ago my like my big feeling like I never never loved Jim Carrey as an actor. He's of so big in so broad and he is acting so hard the film and I think it's A. It's a brilliant movie but I think pudding almost any other actor in that role would have improved that film spectacularly really and then just the places that goes in terms of the panopticon of life lack of expectation of privacy and The way we consider other people's lives Are like amusement. That were kind of entitled to these days are also present and so well executed but then in the middle of it. You've got Jim Carey. Make an donkey faces just nonstop mugging and like over the top flailing and for me like he comes. He comes so close to ruining that film film and he he he. He's trying as hard as he can ruin that film which is such a smart movie if there was a the thing that was going around recently on twitter about Pity film take one actor out of it replace everybody else with muppets. I I want. I want this film. Take him out. Replace him with a muppet. It would be less frequently and it would be moving Mostly with you. I think I'm not as harsh on hidden in that movie. Because there's this kind of an innocent his performance that S- crucial But I want to get too far off a off Gallipoli here because the Truman show does feel not very much is like Well maybe this is a good segue to talk about the Mel Gibson of it all since we're talking about. Who Am I to me how much I know Gibson at a time I'm you know and unlike I mean it's hard to sort out like how much that's been overshadowed by what we know about him now but I still find these these early performances Mad Max and I mean just so charismatic and naturally appealing and just has an ease about him. I mean it's kind of Harrison Ford like in some ways but without like sort of pretensions of coolness pretentious inches around. We're broke well like these hardened or success seems self effacing in a way that he hasn't a very long time. Yeah exactly I mean I. We could could go into where it went wrong for him. And how much has to do with his personal life. You know become self effacing again if you drive across concrete but like there was a period from lethal weapon two on it seemed like that was just like he became a star or any kind of changed him. And he he. He's more self conscious. y'All sort of joke year. Morris had a greater sense of his own cuteness. Set a lot of ways that we're kind of annoying But it's not present here. He's not a star yet. He's just you know beautiful charismatic blue eyed dude also. He's also most people that you know for obvious. Reasons have been watching a lot of Nicholas cage movies and and the Young Nicholas Cage looks like like Nicholas Cage but I think if you showed This era of Mel Gibson. Someone who would take him just a couple of minutes. If you didn't know was taking a little bit too pup- together who it was. He also just. This feels more like a person than Markley as archie like Archie. Just feels like a little like an angel come to life. You know he's got. Those striking is interest uh-huh sweet for the golden hair and the Tan. And he's like he's so full of conviction he's so full of his his own power in his own confidence He spent so much after the movie looking at Mel Gibson. Like why are you a better man and I like frank by comparison just feels like more like a more like a natural person more like a person who has a way to go to achieve perfection. You know somebody who hasn't yet gotten over his fears and found his confidence and he makes it makes them pretty bad mistakes in this movie And Archie to kind of floats along untouchable through it accomplishing everything. He wants achieving everything. What we see him? mm-hmm experienced doubt in the lake briefly. We see him experiencing a sadness a little bit but even at the very end of the movie he seems of of all of the the men about to go over the edge like the least afraid archie. Yeah Yeah I mean I. There's I'd love the contrast between these two characters. I mean that's kind of what gives the film a certain spark archie. I liked it. There's kind of an unbroken integrity and dignity to the to that character that carries them all the way played to the metaphorical finish line at the at the end. It so beautifully bookended by the race where he's talking to his trainer and going through all the the the the bit about you know his his legs being like steel springs and he's going to be as fast as a leopard and all that stuff in for him to kind of co through that ritual again before leaving the trenches it's moving and and The you know. Maybe it doesn't give him a lot of dimension mentioned as a character he's not a troubled character or characters filled with a lot of self doubt but it does give him integrity and spirit and kind of is you know symbolically important what this film is trying to get at speen unformed kind of what defines him in some way don't be undefined. Because he doesn't get get a chance to turn into a man. I mean I watched the few weeks ago and I didn't have time to watch the whole thing for this podcast but I watched a good chunk of it and knowing where it's going in watching I chant twice in quick succession or out of the session. The scene with his uncle Jack his uncle slash trainer play by play. Bill Kerr his you know warning him off for the war goodbye to worry knows what's coming the jungle book scene but also you realize he never gives his parents a proper goodbye you you know. He just says goodbye mom and never sees them again because he heads off to war. I mean it is. It is heartbreaking stuff. And it's so Bill Kerr it really like really love him. He just looked him up he only died in two thousand fourteen. He lived to the age of ninety two an active pretty much up till the end to. Yeah there's also oh man. There's an interesting parallel between the The the reading a jungle book seen and the the playing Adagio at the end end just that sense of like a a piece of art being performed and people kind of gathering around to to take a breath and experience it. I hadn't really drawn this connection but reading up on the cell might see a lot of people pointing out that the chunk of the jungle book that we hear is about maladies coming of age. It's it's about him. Transitioning into manhood with with weeping and pain which is sort of what the whole movie is really fully made that connection. But yeah. Yeah I mean archie is literally too good for this world. I mean when it comes down to it in the end. The reason that frank lives and archie dies is because Archie gave up a safe place as runner to make sure frank would survive and he did it because he wanted he still had that conviction he wanted to fight. He didn't want I want to be left behind. But he never takes credit for it. He never pointed out to frank. He dies with frank not knowing that he made this choice that he made this in a way. Sacrifice also connection to archie being an athlete. He views fighting for his country almost as another way of like pushing himself toward greatness in the same way that he pushes himself greatness in his racing. And I think the way that he approaches war. I mean it's right there in and the final shot that you know of of crossing the finish line of a race. I think there is something in the way that Archie approaches running and the dedication to that that translates to how he approaches war in his role in it is something that he is pushing himself to I do and to achieve and there's a contrast there in how frank a approaches his his running which is kind of mercenary. You know like He. He Bets on himself. He's doing it to make money. Not because he is trying to prove something to himself or to to other people. Well there's a lot of different different kinds of of striving arriving and decision making in this movie. That all kind of have to do with the idea of of being a young and reckless man. I'm curious if you guys have thoughts on what if anything anything weird specifically getting at here about young male friendships or young male decision making or young male sacrifice. It's so much of the movie is just about what it's liked to be this age and to have this level of conviction or doubt and it it fascinates me. I mean innocence is a big deal in this movie the I think I mean there's an ivy tae that comes along with it but also a purity to of inten particularly in our argies part sort and it's something that film emphasizes in preserves in a way. Structurally by giving you so little. They don't have you know. Be You know if half of the action takes a place on the battlefield not half no music thing you know if it were just reserved for the end. Maybe they'd have experiences that would Sully them in some way or they'd have to make decisions or maybe kill someone or do something like that that would that would Tarnish our image impression of them but they don't have that This is the they're innocent little ams or lead to lead to the slaughter and which is the story of World War One in the story you see repeatedly in World War One movies which are often very strongly antiwar emphatically antiwar because it was all about sending young people to slaughter when they died sending even younger younger into the slaughter so I think I think the film has a lot of integrity about eighteen and nineteen year old during listen. You know there's a point there's a reason I mean. I think it's kind of hard for us right now to get our head around what it was like. Especially you know I. I only know the statistics for Britain. But I mean Britain lost a third of a generation of men. I mean just just it's an UN- unthinkable lost just for what that does to a culture and all the people that came back with these horrible horrible war experiences. I it is it changes. The way of a nation thinks of itself or something like that happens and you know the idea of two hundred fifty thousand people for dying on that on that side dying in collegiate for a futile fight and like as we were talking about before I mean you know. We're we're ignorant and one hundred years later by mean in. What was what we're talking about? You know I mean I know basically what it was about but it's hard to contrast it's or either right that's insight you get from that. Peter Jackson documentary. What does they shall not grow? Yeah which is Kinda like almost a chorus of voices from World War One in none of them really we now. They're just doing their duty. They're they're doing what they're being told to do for the country and that's what they're available to do it and Boy When you that when innocence this is lost. It's lost in a profoundly horrifying way. Yeah I mean we're one is go to for a film about the futility of war what were to is your Go-to for film necessity acidity of war. But I mean I mean I wouldn't WanNA fight in any war but reading descriptions of World War One is one of the last ones. I WOULD WANNA fight it. Because it's just the idea being in these horrible trenches his for so long between battles we witness in this which are for a few inches in which you know mentally their lives for very little at all and I think the movie does a really spectacular job of drawing a archie as someone like whenever he talks about the war and his responsibility and where he talks in propaganda blurbs you know he he talks about the horrors of the savage Hon. Or they're going to come over here and take our land like he's talking in newspaper paper sound bites essentially. It's very clear that he doesn't really know anything about the history or geography or the stakes. And he doesn't have any personal stakes in any of this. He's he's been fed a bunch of boys propaganda basically but he believes so with such conviction with such deep emotional conviction. It feels admirable arable but at the same time as a grown adult. You kind of look at it and think add you know we need to educate yourself or you're going to get kit. Wait win the story of all wars. That's how I mean they're always going to be. It's doesn't take a whole lot to get people riled up not not to insult them at all. I mean it's it's you we. If you feel a pride and the love of country in in in a genuine sense that your freedom or identity is a nation is at stake. I mean you're you're gonNA WANNA fight for that you know. And it's the responsibility of leadership to make good decisions on your behalf. Well speaking of getting all riled up we should wrap soon but we really can't and tell we talk about the music and particularly about the electronic music Brought in during the running scenes. The Jami shall Jarrai excerpts. That's I think the noises that we're hearing are meant to of springs like the springs of his legs propelling him like Leopard across the track but the really really sound on Lake laser effects. And it's God kind of comic you're into like translate. I mean I I really Wien. I liked that album a lot. which are Jason Heller wrote about in his book? Strange Stars about connections between music and science fiction in the seventies and obviously the original context. It's supposed to be more spacey in that way but I think it really works for this long especially the they're the scenes early scenes whereas all this to us at least is exotic and strange looking Australia landscapes And I want it works for me. I I mean obviously it's it's of the time wherein and when since we're a much more prominent on soundtracks no matter what era was set in but I to me it works. Scott Vive Zap happy happy thoughts eighties. You know I found a little distracting the first time it happened but then when I realized it was just like the running Motif I it just became part of the fabric of the film and the Nineteen eighty-one Ness of the film. And I'm going to say I don't say Jacques Coups to chariots of fire extraterritorial the same year though. I guess what kind of thing you put you put running you know running in the early twentieth century to two electric music then yeah well yeah but does chariots. It's a fire have have spring spring slash laser noises. Good Question I wanNA score right. I know the tuna was afraid we're going to go one more thing before we move on. I am greatly amused by the Robert Film by Robert. Stig would and Rupert Murdoch. What are what is? Yeah if I remember correctly. was a Murdoch's father a grandfather. That was a was a veteran. A A journalist during World War One father and had a lot of stories that they drew on for this but Yeah that's That's certainly a named have pop up up in the credits lemons. Dick would of course is the famous music producer. He managed the BG's he bruce. The Saturday night fever soundtrack degree soundtracks. Just think instead of the laser noises Mrs. We could have had disco as he's running across the across the outback et. Didn't in a bump bump bump bump but rather beethoven right the fifty Beethoven. Yeah that's a good one. Yeah sure man. Well we should move onto feedback. And I'm certainly looking forward to listener feedback on I'd say the Jukebox Scott's rendition of he's soundtracks for the moment we're GonNa we're gonNA cut away from this ahead. We'll be right back with feedback Now it's time for feedback when our listeners weigh in with their responses to recent episodes and anything else in the world of film now every week we ask you to call awesome. Leave a short voicemail and every week very few of you do. But here's a voicemail specifically prompted by. Keith's foray into the new directors cut of them vendors until the end of the world and it poses loses some intriguing questions after he keeps article. Director's cuts I'm wondering. What do you guys think is the best way to approach a a five hour? Director's cut civically until the end of the world criterion. Really how many sittings do you watch it. And I'm curious what you think of this Trivial time allotment of question. So I think the ideal circumstances as any movie is to see Ah Theater. But that's and then that the second best way is to carve out time sit in a darkened room with no interruptions and put your phone in the other room and and just just watch the film straight through and this case all five hours of it now. Is that what you did. No absolutely not I dodge kit a dog. You know other distractions so I did watch in two interrupted sittings. Which is rare? They actually get to do that I I. I'm a purist at heart but I will. I watch movies interrupted all the time even shorter movies. Because I we're we're all friends. Frontier I take. I Take News on my Ipad to the gym. I watch I watch and realize the first hour there at least for the first time like the first viewing times spending offended purists like good films not like not like just like I know. I'll try not to watch sixty nine films. Take anything and in full screen aspect ratio. I'm fine with. I have a very busy life and I have to manage my time carefully and I watch a lot of movies and if you need to watch them on need to to work in you know every place as possible so the gem I can just stand there and stare at the screen is the biggest screams. Means is good as my TV but I have my headphones on total concentration apart from moving my legs up and down and so I watched I our their second hour at home. I I get in where I can you know. So let's let's say let's say a controversial in winter light by Bergman. You're at the gym. I would I I would watch. I watch it's close ups and Bergman you know you you don't have like like moving up and down right. You like working out museum bouncing up and down on trampoline. Now it's so good to see this level as a trail aimed at someone who is not me. I want to say two things here. I like to watch movies. I don't WanNa die young. So let's let's try to combine these activities in some way. Yeah no I mean I make no apologies. I've Nice ipad. It's fine. It's fine watching where you can when you can and as many break it up into pieces that you have to but no more pieces than you have to. I think that's my advice. Oh Man Yeah Sky on this podcast what what is. What's the ideal way to watch a five hour movie? Scott sitting down you know old sitting down and watching for five hours five hours. Five hours is difficult. I get it but I was. I was grateful for the opportunity to see the Irishman and three and a half hours. We could sit there in a theater with no interruption is something I mean something to see films in that but yes if you can't do it that way do it another way. That's my yeah I mean it depends on the film. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about Jim. I'm talking about but Jim Movie. Though trying to work the crowd here Jim Movies like six underground. I I could watch that Jim. Okay all right but why. Why am I reformed in? The gym showed no for the first time I'd prefer not to. You can do it all right well as the moderator. I'm going to say that we're not going to answer this question anytime soon. Because we are butting up against the realities of the world and we've got kind of a a a nice little gold leafing going we've got our purest idealist here and our practical man who sees the reality of the world and they're probably both going to get killed by the end of this podcast go. I predicted in the intro. So we always appreciate when our listeners share their thoughts and their recommendations if you feel so inclined we can feature your response on a future episode owed to reach us and tell us why keeps way of watching movies is terribly wrong or terribly practical and not worth insulting you. You can leave another short voicemail at seven three two three four nine seven three zero or email us at comments and necks pitcher. Show dot net Well that's it for this episode of the next pitcher show in our next episode. 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162: Rave retro art, Blood Orange, Britpop cinema and special guest Rhoda Special AKA Dakar
"At farmers insurance we know the sound of perfect hot air balloon landing and a less than perfect one click for more are underwritten by farmer's truck fire insurance exchange and affiliates products available in every state hello and welcome back to big mouth the pub culture talk show for people who think much she bought music film tally and where they're going to store all I'm Andrew Harrison and has ever Sean Patent writer illustrator especially its graduates and pitch the arts with me hollow shot how you doing and have you had a pleasant weak very pleasant thank you. I'm delighted to hear that where you cheered by the fact that the next wchs bomb film has got to have a black female to blow seven in it. Did you see this I saw and yes I'm told steered by. I think about time to why not see Leah Walden and the Telegraph said it's the worst kind of virtue signaling because black people are apparently new and <hes> novelty and and <hes> we haven't had this before yeah. This is why we should never read the Telegraph editor. She's not right remember that he's not a party Leshan Lynch's that'd be bombed. She's going to inherit the double o seven things she gets the mantle she gets the Magic Elixir and then she goes forth. She's different character entirely or something he has to sign on him. He just found staufer appropriate conduct six. I think it's really good. It's terribly exciting. We've got special guests today. The first I is the legend that is row deductor who made a name as front woman with the body snatchers back in the glory of two-tone blazing a trail for female that music that's only now reaching fruition. You might think she's tangled. Nelson Mandela. She survived the experience of making the third specials album the CLAUSTROPHOBIC in the studio in studio the size one word and right now she considers to guest on record and onstage with Old Town madness. She's a patient of the music venue trust and she continues to Gig record with the low tech four bullets at McMaster owed. How're you doing all right? Thank you very much fantastic. We talk about your current work and play at unit a bit later. But what do you think the to sound has been so durable <hes> I think it's more to do with the <hes> partly because it was taken up in America and they did third wave as they called it so there was a reinvigoration there so basically the people who should have packed up and got jobs ended up being in bands in America and kept going which meant they could come back here and keep going because they still the hand in <hes> and then all the people who were originally following two tone had had their children and the children are growing up they had disposable income Scott Raven and so they do they go. I also wear the American pens because looked like they'll look like no doubt they'll look like punks. No you missing the point whereas the suits Guetta heckle whereas the white so to smarten up. Why have you got piercings alcee bit weird to me well in that case let allow me to point in the direction of a wonderful buying called the interrupters PTAs apart from amy the singer who's allowed to be whoever whatever she wants the the other guys in the band did very much follow that kind of you know suits braces <hes> smart a smart smart smart closed basically they followed all of that smart haircuts and <hes> they've kind of broken out of it now and they're doing their own thing a bit more but they very much followed that and they're brilliant? Is it hard to wear a nice of <hes> tonic suit when you're sweating to death in Laguna Beach. That's an aspect of it because gaps manages it when he goes to America so <hes> no I also two-tone was the the thing that kind of gave straight commission to dance. You know you'd never been allowed before and then you sort of get an echoed in a lot of this Larry Ravers like the prodigy and orbital of sampled bits of all two-tone using there's a connection there that I mean all music music and fashion I think thank hand in hand to go forward reinventing themselves as they go along but they also always <hes> take a piece from something that went before and reuse it remodeler and regurgitate it as something new so inevitably there will have been the people who were in those bands were influenced by something that went before so it's not a big surprise one sort of very sad thing that happened in the world of pizza and this was the passing of Franken Roger The beat I only met him once and he was brilliant. It was just a really friendly guy is booking as only just come out as posthumously but what chuck was A. You're covering the thick of it. He's <hes> he was everything that you saw. He does what it says on the tin he was a lovely he was awfully I and if Eddie Party believed in peace loving unity more than here my beat. I'd I'd quite like to meet them. I mean he genuine need to believe that and if fives were bit wrong if he was somewhere in the fives four bit wrong he would just go man of Gogo. It doesn't feel right here he he was he was a lovely man who i. I'm sure he did raise. His voice can't imagine him raising his voice. There was this great beat with ranking Roger Album called public confidential. We talk about on the on the show. lets out now wrote his head throat the show who else we have sharp fantasia mention also welcoming Matt Glaspie Film Right of G. Q. Total Film and the author of Britpop cinema from trainspotting two this is England look Britain's cinema most recent and probably last golden moment. It's just been published. We'll talk about the book and the pros and cons of Brit pop in the pitchers of music a bit later house the British film industry now though that's the pressing question while it's a good question I mean it's always it's always up and down isn't it. I think we've probably polarized in recent years into really big franchises like bond an umbrella tiny sort of things that aren't really going to translate internationally so the book that I've published talks about those films in the middle which I think we're missing. What was the last great which you saw who there's has a question does something really promising was f._m.? Could Gwen Nice dark sort of Gothic Welsh film with beautiful landscapes how to kind of Thomas Hardy feel to it. I'm so that was probably the last thing that really caught my attention. Okay are we back to making brilliant tally in different films could be brilliant. He's gone away but <hes> I think there was certainly a period when we start getting a lot better films in the ninety s and that's where the yeah do you think we've exported our talents much gone elsewhere uh well. I think that's what happened before. I think everyone in the eighties. There wasn't an industry so people Alan Parker Ridley Scott went to America made fantastic Hollywood films but then I think for Awhile Richard Curtis's and are tiny boils state put in the ninety s and yeah. I don't know I don't know about now to bring those people back. We've got those guys come up with some ideas later yeah on this week show as well as talking Britpop cinema with Matt will be turning the tide I t shirt of destiny to attend sweet Khomeini Rave today a it's the Saatchi Gallery's new exhibition inspired by acid house hardcore warehouse parties and all the good stuff. What does it say and are we still in the eighteenth summer of love plus? We'll be looking at Jim. 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Such patron big mouth to find out more or we're saying is biased pint so now we're going to talk about you'll Brit pop cinema book and here's the perfect scene setter from that opening scene in trainspotting iggy pop and lost for life what defines Brit pop cinema V._A.. What made you want to write this book? While I mean this is definition I came up with myself oversee. You've got some history into finding the pop music. I don't like to talk to you can mention there so I like to say that I I came up with Britpop Cinema Circa two thousand fifteen which is just the same sort of idea really that we'd look to groups all this disparate music together in this of upbeat ninety s group and actually there was lots of great films Britain at the time. No one had really <hes> written that much about them so instead when you look at it he start with a shallow grave trainspotting the full monty all this really great stuff and it seemed to have a lot in common with the music released the confidence and sort of the Britishness behind that music so I thought interesting to look at it as a group C what having common what what what surprised you about what you just did you dug into these fellas I mean there's commonalities escapism optimism and bright bright colors and also sort of inventive ridiculous rule breaking cinematography us you dig into that you find things that about individual movies that you hadn't previously been a world when I found out some things which I can't even repeat here too litigious assist or no. I'm talking about the text of the film themselves. I think that's a really interesting leap and if you think about our members films in the eighties and thinking that there was a self punishing factor that's kind of realism people sitting around tables everyone depressed raining raining and then suddenly it is true with Danny Boyle actually with beginning with four weddings and funerals than with Danny Boyle taking baton all of a sudden someone to put some fun to the equation which seemed like <hes> you know verboten in British cinema the eighties and all of us an even if some the film's but kind of Faux away actually there's a sense you might go and see them on a Friday night and have a good time. I think it was strangely. Revolutionary Concept that actually is a thing that's income with Brit pop music which was it was music was suddenly allowed to be an supposed to be fun reiner. We'd could we come out of the miserable lumbar puncture world of moaning grunge bands in the rainy Pacific northwest and then next next. It's <hes> you know bled in for tomorrow and that kind of thing and there is an argument of course that tries whilst he was the the worst thing because nobody terrible load of the butlers what what do you what do you think about that well. Let's I mean. Let's not look at. Let's shoot down some of the great. It's a great film it when he stands up people that came afterwards and copy that some of it's brilliant I mean. Sounds like human traffic as a massive debt trainspotting and has actually got also got voice of its own stuff like shooting fish probably not so essential to you know that whenever something original and awesome comes out there's always followers pushes people often different direction. I think what recommendations if somebody wants it lets the weather tends audibly at the weekend for themselves and for a week three or fulfills they obviously transplants transporting <hes>. I think you'd be to miss human traffic. <hes> I love sexy based offering. That's got some of the same pulse I think twenty four hour party people which is a bit later than those films but it looks back at the Foundation Manchester in Indianapolis really kind of wicked playful sense to it so those are three to start with. I'm shallow graves a great film. <hes> yeah yeah actually taking over for a while. Well I thought was remarkable in the book. Was You managed to get a whole chapter. Spice World seems to reflect the just as Brit pop producers loaded great albums a massive amount of groceries wincing just as there's loads of ridicule britpop music this terrible terrible terrible kind of cynical cash spice world is basically the fat les- of <hes> In my defense here it's a third of chapter out of spice points fans and I think while there was so other films that reflects the Britpop ethos also reflect the cool Britannia ethos which is sort of desperately Tired Union Jack flags dragging out the greatest hits of Britain and actually I think spice called a flex very well but what's interesting. It's the assigns in the book which are just absolutely fascinating. I've forgotten the All Saints in film film which is in the spice chapter on my right and things like that's when film went marsh we Melanie Blatt the other one that very Sochi ladies <hes> they'll be in a film. Can they lose. It actually have been proper nine thousand nine hundred sixty five oprah. The pope movie movie L. Living in the same house with Wilfred on everything from pop culture often gets at least part of the blame where we've got now in the in the the era of Brexit and people even told me it's your fault you Brit Pop Mallet Ugo Brexit all down to you and you actually have former loaded editors of Brexit Palsy Emmy Pay Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Daubney. Absolutely atrocious individual is brexit party. I may pay now peacocking around like Nick Moran in some kind of tax loads of loads and figure just think the kind of Michael Caine worshiped led to this idea of British exceptionalism did did Brit pop cinema player par driving Britain bonkers well. I don't have the answer to that. One I will say there is a degree of stickiness with bringing an book celebrating pop cinema at this time because he's the inference that you must think that things haven't moved on since then. There's a call to make Britain great aspect which just isn't it all. This is just the films of my teenage years. Look back at our with a fresh eye but I mean certainly there's something in common I mean there's the flipside of thinking that we've got stories to tell stories that are important is people think I think over and fighting the important stories yeah yeah binding all about the war all the time instead of what they should be which is raves and things like that. We'll thing you say the book. Is you think it's the last movie the last big. Could we have another one. Could we have is other sort of move into almost a post Britishness as as brexit chews up all the goes too fast. Could we financially I don't know but could we practically absolutely in the problem with looking back at coordinate is that you imply that there isn't going to be another one and it's just because it was great and he was seventeen well. We'll know think there's always good stuff coming out as you find out on this podcast and so we went around the corner just won't look the same I'll be too old to the extrovert laser is that we choose our favorite pop cinema movies so hold tight for that country and backers. You're doing a talk of the A._F._l.. If that's right to talks actually I'm introducing the film on Monday. The twenty second that's Monday nights and then on the twelfth of August. I'm going to talk through more generally about escapism Brit pop cinema writing the book and that's on the twelfth of August around seven o'clock introduction in full trainspotting Cowboy Iraj my skinny fit t-shirt gone. Maybe there was some accents. We'll see how the in the garden especially because Scottish people in the audience now never let it be said we're in thrall to the past. No no no no no no. Let's go back even further to nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight and all that with the SACI galleries rave inspired exhibition sweet league. Tommy Rave today clues in the title it promises an immersive retrospective exhibition devoted presenting a revolutionary survey rave culture through the voices and lenses of those who experienced it Cheryl Garrett ex editor of the faces of the people who've helped curate the exhibition but does it bring back the heady Aromas of forty thousand people dancing to homeboy hippie and funky dread off their body not in a car with no proper toilets and what's an elevated rotating upside down car got to do with anything. Let's find out after suitable suitable mood setter one chosen by our resident Billy Armfield Andrew Harrison Niche Flashbang so here's the future sign a London with expenditure the Rhoda. I just there about the car underneath the Houndstooth. We you a secret raver. Who is our secret RAVER? Well I mean I was I did a bit. I mean to be honest bit well. I'm not good with the no proper toilets so if there are no proper facilities. I'm not very good I I I did for while live in the midland so I have experienced the idea of getting flyer driving to Kelly services on the line and then get in the phone call and then driving into Birmingham in a long convoy finding finding the room and then and hearing the whole thing power up that was probably a bit late to the party in because I was a grown up but it was the time when <hes> adapts killer was right. This kid was the big choon and that's what that's what the rive open to saw off you start with this. It's going to be good. I see so yeah I I did. A bit okay drove people around because I was the call designated driver yeah it does not drive so yes designation but that's fine so designated dancer in our so what were you expecting from this and what did you think the first couple of rooms and we're not quite into to the experience when we go into a gallery is being set up what was expecting. I mean two things really fascinated. One was the beetle that was in a glass case. I think don't think it was meant to be there. I was just thinking gained muscle should not tell them it's going to eat. All the stuff is no. I'm not going. There's a live Beta. I missed a special one to explain to anyone who hasn't seen the exhibition there are lots of flyers aren't there and sort of tiny bits of paper that could be easily destroyed by this was actually a glass case this stuff that you weren't even supposed arch it was it was encased in glass and there was basically didn't tell them simply because I well I mean Tory territory territory basically in my mind cross the picket line to go into. I never do anything Salty Tori Tori because the Ravers poll stains of now gaito folks as a prompt former rave from own too so that involves you know entrepreneurialism yeah no no I appreciate and I'm not so cool and the Raves I went to are really enjoyed and I really enjoyed. I mean not just enjoyed the kind of energy itching situation and then go into this and it's like lots of pictures of people in fields and okay and that was if I'm on the car and who the hell drove a lotus then the exhibitions exhibits that you say is a Lotus upside down revolving while a new piece of music by Milo plays put it on the instagram page people if you want to see it I quite liked that I liked the all solved incongruity and mad foolishness of putting upside car next yes a pace as a piece of as a piece of moving sculpture. Yes it was absolutely fine but then I was thinking about hang on what's the point of this and I looked. It's a it's. It's not a car that anybody I knew already. I'd never saw a car like that. Arrive arrives so I'm just thinking you know that's kind of a weird make on it and then I looked a lot of Peter's okay <hes> there were there were some interesting things. Essentially you know what really really dream in music was thought all the spotify of other communities fake record shop fake real selling records in China this record brat so I was looking through them but I mean it's a mixture of newly commissioned all works on memorabilia business this kind of <hes> perspect- petrol pumps signifying the beginning of the evening a- All south okay. It's all I'm saying all Irish ready to see our wasn't really ready. Somebody's fly collection. Both those is really interesting because I was looking at things like gone to that. Now my eve yourself out to be a bit of a Brit pump guy the secret spiral tribe guy well. I'm a tiny bit too young for this. I'm also nowhere near cool enough together for the time so my recollection of of the same was by the time they're going to clubs was much more realized soon so I don't remember but this aspect of it. I did love the approach I loved the Litter Petrol Station with all the numbers on it and then you get into it completely dark room and there's a big fence and this way in quite some time to work right. You have to go through the fence. There's a really nice touches. Yeah then a lot photographs. Might you say is something to be said for those I loved it was a lady called her name. <hes> <hes> VINCA pizzas. Retiring and there was something about that sort of breathlessness goes off with seven so went to Holland all the stocks all handwritten. Isn't it my favorite after all these amazing she'd been descend but not three got pleurisy Z.. Down with the people there was a dizzying level of information and also it was weird. It was like someone's come up and talk to you in just two zero off going to do this and I felt very authentic to me Angie Angie. I'm imagining that you were having a go on the road and three Oh threes which disgusted around one of the rim which also had the spotify playlists on it spotify playlist genre by genre. There's a make your own acids playstation. Three's NATO Acheson twiddle the KNOBS. I realize hard to make decent acid houses. I made a good one. I send you the recording recordings class or even go three. I'd like I really really liked. The mixture of newly commissioned are memorabilia. I thought that there's there's a there's a kind of an installation based rounds. Seth Troxler is on the music and it's kind of you surrounded by screens with flickering images only of nature <music> only of trees and twigs and leaves and all the rest of it so when I got the sense of being losted Bush who hasn't wanted to be lost in the Bush surrounded by dry ice and lasers <hes> there's a kind of a hammock thing in which <hes> t._v. screens all in laying where human beings ought to be on the TV screens. I thought very amusingly up producing some very very retro Fratto Art man read the facto art of the magic. Is You know what they can do it on computers now they can crank on computers mind-blowing says that you your magic is when I thought that I really well with the flyers all of which contain like ikat of early computer graphics. It's a robot. You might meet a robot if you go to this motorway service station full of love features lots of two thousand eight staple features a lot of people early days of wide look. We've made a three D. Y.. Frame Banana and it costs four million quid isn't that amazing because it was amazing and it was looking into the future not peaceful optimism caller stupidity of it. I think it was really really affecting a killing US laughing. You can disagree with you. I actually I don't disagree with you. I mean the fact is if we're to to sort of bring in Brit pop. I mean this whole thing. There was not futures business six in the sixties not was that was built on. I mean the jetsons you know everything in the film but You understand the iconography don't use sculptures and the Globulin of the the the kind of the artifacts rather have gone so I mean I thought was what I really enjoyed. What I find a bit difficult with the study of Rave is when it becomes racers what I wanted to Jin stroking? Thankfully it was less of that than the walls of the kind of Abia Sicilia's well. I thought was really good about it. Is it's not about celebrity so you've got yet bloody Pete Tong spotify but actually got loads of them and you're almost expecting from the they've got their own fry the SARCI that that's going to be the beloved the army bit drew me tonight and you can see the happy Mondays in a pitcher. You're not it's about power the people it's about people turning up at these things and I thought that was really good and yeah I agree with road. I just feel a bit funny about it. Being at the sake gallery I think the two things don't mix and it see maybe more of a museum piece than an art show more that as you're saying that display of memorabilia bellyache Israeli what it's about it's been shown to people who didn't really participate a lot of the people around me on that when I went to see what what was it of kings roads so the cultural exploration recycle kids when I went a different didn't understand a little bit short on you know as experiences go now used to secret cinema and punchdrunk fair to levels of various military food and just putting up a little tiny fences really bothered but I did. I wasn't used by the Bartlett gigantic against Psychedelic bouncy castle that has been taken around the world to bring some joy into the lives of underprivileged children in Wilton pulse there. I loved it. I thought it was beautiful but what I especially love to his little signs saying jump so this is a massive as they said it wasn't a massive at all it was it was somebody looking through can't it through kind of sterilized lens but I mean I have to say when they wanted to stamp my hands to go in and I did refuse. They said Oh you have to start your hand. That's why rave sorry boy Junkin on hand so I said No. They said well we. Why do you have to do that where we can and put it on a piece of paper? I said well you better do that. Then says pretty on a piece of paper I wouldn't I'll have to do have to say I I taught are desperately looking and see if there was another person of color in there because sometimes I you know those are the things that yeah. She's got all used to people coming in here at all and no is the answer because I was asked to show my ticket. When nobody else was from one part to another so yes could also yes yes you you? You came home with everything I expected. Pastas well so apart from road anyone else would recommend this to a friend. I enjoyed it. I think if you're a you're an old old raver you will be you get an awful lot of mission factor of this. I'd say for a few youths in the being amused by an kind of. Did you really do that as a family dot was showing the look but we didn't do drugs Kush. Didn't oh no it's. It's it's worth going to but I do think that this kind of the major major historical statement is about to be. Did you see anyone you knew in in because I was looking for. I was looking very hard. I look people in New England. I must say I did actually say something but yeah it went on as far far as the recent extinction rebellion exactly so I did say I mean you know there was demos the on the art she saw so so an econ think oh hang on a minute. Let's up today. I was kind of a bit weird I shot the music is the most important okay well speaking of music that was talking and we're going to talk a little about her current work with the low tech fall and unheard glorious illustrious history and in the world seater road the bottom such is now the starting from the grassy with the this is the new a strong woman pop music here. We go who the president will thirty back in the day. I really remember them being unfair to us. I mean I think there was <hes> one of our first pieces in sounds there was a they took a picture of me with fish islands and underneath put the very lovely road Nikon thing. Okay take him taking the name of it. I mean I didn't mind you know but it was kind of like that <hes> because there were seven of us because we all turned up on mass because we shouted until we got what we wanted. We didn't really you didn't really notice what how it could have been. You know so I think because it's fairly strong personalities and we did have this policy of <hes> minimum of two people pull for any interview. People couldn't be few themselves. I'll say more about that. It was it was about making sure that the message girls that people didn't get there get to grind their own axes. If as it were yeah I wanNA talk about the legendary spare interview value now so yeah we didn't. I don't know how we got on reflection how we got treated. It didn't seem that bad but then what did I have to compare it with yeah. You didn't ask the body starts ashes were going can send you to actually get around to recording a full album but you recorded the volley Sanchez album yourself. A couple of years is the last album is co taught by what what did you do that. What did you did? You did it because people ask me about about once a month to all. It's never what you do. The album I mean the things they say that the the are hated was one when you can get the girls but together so first of all is like the women I think is what you mean gene <hes> and then the second was to recall now so I did that. It was the thirty fifth anniversary of to tone. I thought what can I do because I'm out the thirtieth by during music that had influenced to influence to tone and then so the thirty fifth I thought well let's Redo the album and then maybe they'll leave me alone. I'll made so <hes> yeah I mean there are plans to relaunch with some extra tracks for the fortieth as well so famously. You're on the specials third great Boulton quite an ordeal album in the studio aren't you. The one that seemed to take forever was was associates quite quick by today's on the stone roses czyz contemporary timetable. Let's not long. It was an ordeal yes. It was a lot of an ordeal. was I mean it wasn't it wasn't fun. I'm trying desperately to remember. There must have been fun point. She put my finger on one. I've never listened to the album. It is quite good. You know I'll never know tracks are can compare accan- account listen to it's just the horror because I ended that. The last recording session was me sitting on the flo weeping saying I can't sing that line again. A taxi was cold. I left and I never been good Lord. <hes> well you know if you can still look at it and give stiff drink down yeah but it is a good record and sounds like racist Frederick quite they're very now. I mean they are. Ah You know. <hes> it's all about you know you mustn't talk to your mom. You mustn't talk to your friends or your mom and dad and I didn't write lyrics so you mustn't talk to your friends or your mom and dad and just don't ever have anything to do them again. What actually dialogue is what changes people's minds not just ignoring the more sticking them under under the stairs you D._J.? A LOT ON UTAH with the low tech four toes what low tech for all about well the low tech for is just the the current name for the band is always banned after your latest album so <hes> yeah I taw I'd much this year but <hes> yeah hopefully we'll be on the road a bit more next year. Yeah I mean I just I'm. I'm still writing. I'm still recording <hes> still WANNA put music. They'll still got something to say. <hes> it's just about finding the happy medium trying to really find the vein of of what I want to say that kind of is all you know ideas a disparate but I mean that's okay. We're fine. We're finding our way musically and that's kind of what you have to do. With a bit of of what went before of reinvention of what went before and new stuff which is some of it is like the all stuff some of it's completely different I mean at Christmas we did <hes> we did a gig where we were our own support. So the first set was all the tunes that we can't normally play in our kind of a more high energy set so it was kind of down tempo staff and the jazzy staff so we did that as all support set and then we did our more kind of high energy set as the as as the as the headliner so that was kind of weird. We're GONNA play a truck now. What is this comfort zone? What's this all about comfort? Zone is actually a tune. I wrote a long time ago and <hes> just her her redone. This is the third re reincarnation of this too and it so it kind of does lie. You know there's not too acid jazz in there and things like that <hes>. It's just about tonight comfort zone. It's about <hes> even think are no think not really remember. I know there was an intention in the first place as time goes on I suppose it's about dreaming and about funding your own space. We'll hear from <hes> rotates time with the low tech full comfort zone GEICO the sticky with Music Devante Hines Aka Blood Orange seems to work at prince like rates recording continuously and releasing only bits of what he makes as appendixes to the proper releases after the problems come. Do you see you see how it works now. He's decided to put it all anyway. In the form of a mixed tape. There isn't really an album and yet somehow is what's going on in the world of the artist formerly known as light speed champion. Now Co writes as Rocky Cholerae Jepson blondie. Am Kylie is the first truck from this mix tape. It's called. I WANNA I WANNA see you. Oh that's all I wanna see you with a C under you. From angels working like Prince Means. You'RE GONNA spell like Prince's well road or what have you been following him on top of him I wouldn't I wouldn't say I was following him but then also Sameera Reddy. Oh Oh is that always done. This is done I mean I was very impressed with all the kind of collapse in the stuff on a main I've heard of all the people which is pretty good for somebody of my advanced years <hes> yeah it was. It was kind of for me. It was like ambient music. It was the music you listen to in the chill out room at the rave in much opposed Franck Ocean world of flow teal and structured are as electronic textures. Yes it was I mean back in that respect. I love. I really really enjoyed I once I loved it but I really enjoyed it and I listened to while I was doing stuff because it wasn't the economy's demanded you full attention. I didn't fail yeah you sort of get the idea that your sort of wandering through his memory policy Joseph Dunn needs to and I really liked the fact that everything's like a minute and a half all the things like three minutes isn't the things of cuts off abruptly and you're into something else. It does feel like <hes> you know. He's right to call it a mix tape and it's not a big coherent finished thing I mean you stay on top of the world of this kind of stuff. You know the the way that kind of black American music and brought blackberries music of absorbed avant-garde electronics as well as the seventy tradition well through the medium of my some the D._J.. The D._J.. French Hamilton part one half of Sue Kesse the <hes> the House D._J.. I mean essentially through through here. I hear a lot of new stuff and have done for a long time. which is how I found myself in Shangri Laura Glastonbury this year listening to Archie Hamilton <hes> you know and being surrounded by people who were all at least twenty years younger than me and I did did fill for a moment? I thought ooh actually know who this guy is. I know that Choon that many played it shows oh yeah yeah. I know this one. You know so. It's kind of weird you can't i. It's a weird space to be our main. I I am really into continue music. I Love Music and I love New Music or love new challenges so yes two years ago Glastonbury I was I was big you know boy was the best thing for me at Glastonbury 2017 closely followed by Canine now so yeah I love growing because it feels like punk <hes> it just it has a black element in that <hes> there's the thing that matters to black people lose. You know kind of how you look a lot more <hes> so it wasn't isn't dirty. It was like very it's very clean very fashionable very stylish very cutting edge but I mean that's always been fashion. It's been always been the two you know. I just feel like you know black style and the L._G._B._T.. Community but basically gay men unbutton black men have been the forerunners of of kind of style quite often in British culture so you have a kid twenty odd years. Make sure it tends to be a D._J.. Then you'll stay on top of things what am I doing wrong. uh-huh what did you think of <hes> angels pulse by by Blood Orange. Well I mean to to to start with really really enjoying it actually walk around at some risk summary Sinti slighty sketchy fill in comedy pin it down so I thought Oh this is great. I am going to really enjoy having a few listens to this and then as it goes on she said is sketchy. They are half finished and nothing really rises above a certain tempo. What do you may not have this? Did you have an album that whenever anyone comes around you know it's safe. If anybody ever came to visit me I would never do so yeah changes throughout the back fifteen years and it's massive attack. Nobody hates it not to not who I pay. This all felt like that to me. I thought I knew anyone that I could put this on and they go what the hell is that in that way but equally I don't know anyone that would blow their mind so sort of pleasant background listening that seems damning with faint praise but but the is it's actually quite sort of strong strong political statements here about church bombings in embarrassing and some strong material here but it sort of in this kind of hazy semi distant sort of soup of stove. That's Birmingham's track five is quite a while. Oh before <hes> voiced that distinct voice had distinct voice comes through and you can actually imagine this about something. That's what I was getting anyway to me really ages to to think that there was something more going on one of the things I like about it was in a world where every record is kind of brutally driven ribbons who provide a load of single poppies now you know it was not a singly almost as well not bother with it. I liked the kind of dog did bloody minded refusal to have any songs in these songs. You know it struck me as kind of if you took it's a really short thing as well as about half an hour long talk these what are they doesn't in tracks and sprinkled them in the middle of playlist of something else that he actually would have what it what it's really for which is to be just don't mind diversion before we go back to concentrate on things Sean. What did you think I mean? I agree in some senses. The song is just getting going and you got the hook and it stops and you think what we're doing is like Sufian Sufian Stevens Kendrick Lamar together in a kind of indirect ways very polite sort of sounding <unk> sounding at first but it's got that beautiful Kendrick Lamar string bed I swear that gold teeth which I really love on the album as the same string headquarters Pacific state by the way states I ended up single over the top in my kitchen like light road or I did lots of things while listening to you can almost forget it's going on same thing one of my points though is that the problem is going on in the background as the mind wanders and there's a point and especially in a song called happiness where his range is so similar similar to Jermaine Stewart's of we don't have to take our clothes off fame. I could not get Janine Stewart out my head and thinking he doesn't own this dimension Nath eighties and this is someone who's deeply cool but yes the mind is going all sorts of places but I love the fact is mix type. I love the fact that it's not an album album and it's it's thoughts in its notes and things and I thought that was absolutely bloody. Incredible more people maybe should go down. That route. Just sounds refreshing yeah I would. I think mobile should be made to do this. I would like to hear you you know the notebooks of interesting artistes yeah. I'd like a Demo e way where you hear the intro being done again yeah special edition cd all of a sudden. She likes stream aim of consciousness way of working. I I yeah I really like the style of it. Well listen popstars do more of this often cello on as well you hear all the stuff in bed shallow okay. If you like big mouth under the podcast you might like be there with Dali loudspeakers. It's all about the minds behind the music and we produce it in calibration with Dolly who make absolutely amazing speakers that look and sound beyond description this new episode out this week and Sean is on as well big mouth regular sophie the Harris we're talking about our favorite few nanoseconds of pop those tiny little moments that absolutely blow your mind plus a studio heroes and here's a snippet of Sophie talking about hearing have favorite album of all time properly for the first time through those fantastic all these speakers the record is the white album by upcoming Liverpool set who gets on the White House search be there was Dolly on your favorite podcast APP to get the full show and don't forget to subscribe I mean I wasn't surprised surprised because I knew the speakers we're going to be amazing and it's a mind blowing album but yeah it was wonderful to hear it that way and actually what was interesting from a kind of geeky point of view is the I've listened to it on really lovely headphones but it's it's it. It's just not headphones album in that way and listening to the speakers because the speakers worked with the space. That's in the room you there's a degree of isolation of of each of the elements that I loved. I think we all really. We noticed as well <hes> the way that the drums came out and that they're kind of quite crispy and mentally in a really interesting way one wall up do they don't do well in my fantasy. World will love listening to that on purpose because is i. I felt a bit like I was in the control room like as close as you're going to get to being in the control and we're going. Oh Yeah a little bit. Higher in the mix pool is a friend of show Sophie Harris their search be they with Dolly on your APP or on the old-fashioned Internet. If you'd like to get the full show don't forget to subscribe ascribe right moving on we always ask our guest to bring in tune to inspire and since I was terrified the listeners clasby what have you got flora's picks surface which is the opening track from Anju beds new album. My finest were yet. We've other show before somebody else does does this tell us about Andrew Bird and why is interesting as a Detroit multi instrumentalist but much more fun than that sounds a fan for probably since about the turn of the millennium when he used to come over and play concerts and the thing is he writes great songs so that's all there you see him live and back in the day before he had a band he would play the violin he whistle who played blocking Spiro Play Guitar and sing beautiful voice need loop himself said hey this amazing band life or five instrument play by the same guy and anyone who sees them live is a fan for life even if they don't have the albums but actually the album's a great he's literates as well as this is not the only truck that alludes to myth memory literature and stuff so he's been accused of being precious switchover thank you could you could argue that case but also it's quite nice to have something with wordplay cryptic crossword fail to it's not all about you know boy meets girl and emotions this you know he's talking about sece's whenever you ever heard the word more and May W in a pop song I mean all of this stuff so yeah. Let's listen. This assistance by Andrea bed stone's tone stole from the precipice. Did he visited finally the movies. Jim Jarmusch is the godfather of American indie cinema. A Proper Ota who's down by law mystery train on coffee and cigarettes cemented did an entire genre of oddballs American misfits monitoring to themselves about the small details of their lives. So what the hell is he doing making Zombie movie in the dead. Don't Die Jarmusch Lights out for Jorge Romero territory with close of a Neat Bill Murray and Adam driver a small town cops Tilda Swinton as a Samurai funeral director because why not and a parade of Cameos. It's any good his a taste is planned to inform people about the Zombie danger before it gets I guess so because we passed farmer Miller's plays a little while ago. We need to inform inform him. Fuck farmer Miller okay my us together. How the fuck you kills me? Slow down a second clue. You gotTa Kill the head. Kill ahead decapitate. The only way to Jesus get prepared. That's unfortunately only shit. I got this. Mike lost meet. Our film chop. Wood is what does SHAMU FIT in. He sees I subside suspected director more admired than watched. Yes I mean he's here. He's very much and the people that love really love him. It's fair to say probably hasn't troubled the mainstream too much as possible to get your entire film life without seeing his films but has lost released only lovers left alive was absolutely beautiful and about vampires but Tilda swinton and at that thing that aims cool normally mrs by so many miles and actually felt ready coal if felt really really wanted to live through the night with them. Tell US sets up that don't die forest. Tell us what's happening on what he thought. It's as a cinematic achievement smalltown America we've got Bill Murray and Adam driver and clarisse avenues Cox which is in Dream Team is completely peopled by famous indiactors Steve Shemi IGGY pop turns up you can sort of fill then the rest of your favorite. The reser is the U._P._S. U._P._S.. which this Danny Glover's in their selena Gomez it's a hell of a cost say anywhere this Zombie outbreak as we've seen many times before and and the cops have to deal with as we've seen many times before and I've got to say I wasn't a massive fan fair like so it was going for cookie Kinda funny and it was going for a little bit of horror which before Shaun of the dead mice seems like an original combination but I was fifteen years ago and there was don't be land ten years ago and there was the entire flood of Oh? It's Olympic cookie accommodate this Gore all these terrible films that came out after Sean boy eats girl. That's a title island film a great title but not to members act so we've seen this film many many hundred so. I don't know what Jim was thinking. Thinking all bring some sparkle of Indus- to it and also there was a very half-hearted from the thing I don't WanNa give any spoiler away but at one point I'm driver and Bill Murray turned to each other and go was that supposed to happen and the other one says it wasn't in the script that I it was maybe the whole script and then we're back to the movie as if a hang on the whole ninety minutes you're saying it doesn't matter they just access and that such dangerous ground to be and you have to announce the you're GONNA bright this fourth wall. It's going to be fun. You can't just how people talk about the script because why are we bothering believing in if you do that then you really need to go balls out with it. Don't you make it's central to the movie capitals in confusing the pace is incredibly slow and you can do that. You know on the focus on oddball characters. That's totally you know my my limited experience. That's totally clean him. You know I understand the fascination of of small town America but it's so slow and seem so lacking in a reason to make this movie anything all looking for anything to sign up from well America's bit way it isn't it I just found it so incredibly frustrating and ultimately <hes> a little bit annoying actually have you kept me here for an hour and a half two hours to say what we're one of the things that zombies dues went once they're in full flood is that they mutter the thing that thereafter like coffee was Xanax a why why funny to think okay I get your point him but George a Romero is saying this exact same thing in the mid seventies saying we come back come back to the mall because that's what they know and that seemed like a revolutionary sort of critique then but in how is that really the best. You've got for this film well. The kind of the position of the George Romero's Zombie is that they are like. I'm an analogy to society L.. Holding up a mirror to what we are our own sickness our own decay our own obsessions with things in front of it. He seems to be completely stock Thir- anything to do with the Zombie that was unusual new different all in any way revelatory that just eluded special effects on the opportunity for for Gaga it something else that really annoys big horror film Fan. It was a period of the nineties before the Internet when horror films they pass the names of famous director through the film to Oh that's Clive Barker. You know the postman and people that neither genre would watch it and get like a little eastern but a bit late for that now because of the Internet. There's one moment that someone turns to another character says oh I love your car. That's Very Jorge Romero and you're like why are you called attention to the guy that made these films sometimes forty nine hundred sixty nine is at night of the living dead at age ago and you're calling attention. That's funny if you've called attention so much better than what you really desperate road. Are we have a different opinion. Did you have anything like a different opinion. The united actually swallow my pride once again cross the picket line down to the ritzy and <hes> climate. I Riley just genuinely thought I'll never get that time back again and the only interesting thing one thing made me laugh which is when the kids said eat me. No I mean that's just because I like kids playing a lot kids swearing beim rude. Maybe laugh. It's the only time aloft I have to say and and then the this oh terrorists and character are made like that because it was mad because it was mad but it was kind of Saab any any author of Blonde Woman with <hes> Samurai swords remind you of anything it was transplanted from any one of a dozen kind of cult movies and I was I was perfectly happy with that because I thought it was going so my but without spoilers you know the of movies like this rest on. How are we going to explain all the stuff? That's happened before an apart from a a good gag about poll all the fracking bringing the dead back to life. The film just ends Sean will do you think well have seen a couple of Jim Jarmusch films. I'm not an Aficionado but I know to expect not an amazing plot. Not Lots of jump cuts. Lots not lots of course processing. It's GONNA be quite slow if you're seen deadman thinks that they're very very slow and the start of the credits is just it keeps coming up obviously but the cost is just a list of some cool people don't think that you know more and more I think you've got another person a just and so I actually enjoyed it far more because I thought from the Credit God another call Costa Vinnie all these people. It's a bit like bill and Ted's excellent adventure without him Dr being indeed yeah. He's he's. The comedy isn't he and Adam driver is the thing that is driving it. He's got the funnier lines I went to Mexico. I really like Mexico. I've been there twice so every says he's always it's going to end badly. I thought that was quite funny. I thought he was the one that was magnetic their points about it which are good. It's funny but it's difficult when everything happens in films nowadays every other film has lots and lots of plot and you've got something that is using these old tropes and trying to say something different than we're really not sure that is what I found find interesting and weird and possibly unintentional was the fact that close of any as the female cop is the only one who's genuine yet mindy. She's the only genuinely genuinely touched by the horror of what's going around. She's cheating. which is reacting to the fact that there are yes cannibalistic living dead Zombie reverence wandering around in Centerville and everybody else is just completely blank on it? They might as well these themselves that I thought that was something that could have been away but something in that because this this is sort of autism in the body movie is between Bill Murray and Adam driver the something interesting there but yes he doesn't Jim Dummies. Just doesn't explore things he just shows you and you don't ever get maybe this is what we need is the depth behind that. Can we have the second engrossed. Can someone else please write a strong suspicion that the driving impulse behind this Bill Murray and drive a really cool Zombie killing scene and it's just a great big sort of celebrity dead Pun and deadpan. There's two elite both it. Just looks like nobody can very flat also not enough zombies. Do you think the final scene where he's the final battle we know the final twenty or something that that is none coming in the horizon. I thought the couldn't employees me you run out of money. Is that in the script. I thought well this just not that. It's small town America. They don't have many dead. There's every navy over by that. I think first of for for a change of strongly recommend people not going so completely. I'm still of the ilk of at least he's up there having a movie go. Hey Lazy Lazy Yeah have you have you have seen it though I've got to say I thought the resolution of the Tilda Swinton Ninja hotline was one of the most insultingly stupid things really anyway. That's the end of the show on a massive downer. Let's finish it on a happy with closing time Schatzer. What will I guess be discussing over Lucas Eight on a couple of Dennis? It's the Nazis in a disused carpet factory someone Colville in Leicester Road. What's your closing time shelter for the show is actually not Colville anyway mark later time charter is about the fact that we had the cricket World Cup? I mean the the men one creek well cut. We've won it five times. Now Women's won it four times just want once you know that's just not not concentrate on that now. It's the notion of having big <music> a big sport and sporting events mostly on pay per view TV and I just think that disconnects people from the whole experience are just. I'm really not a fan of <hes> big sporting events. It's being behind pay walls. I think it's a real shame because you have to go and search you have to be in search of them because when they actually put it on terrestrial TV for the final so many so many more people tuned in and if you're actually trying to do you know of <hes> pedal sport as a way out of <hes> the nation's obsession with sugar and not getting any exercise. You have to make those available so I think all sports I would rather the say big sporting occasions all be available on terrestrial TV but I mean I suppose sky have helped fund football and things I don't really care about football so that's fine but <hes> because football will be fine anyway and it's not because they don't care about football is because I care about the notion of <hes> football can football will be fine. It's all the out the spoils that just don't get look and it was interesting that that's <hes> they. The paper started saying England men when the World Cup previously what does that England won the Welt another showed say England men yeah well they have to because women have already wanted four times. This is their first league football as well <hes> Glaspie. What's your clothes while it's about a true Karm offer called Paul Harrison who this week his <hes> part of his his mistake is that he's a kettering detective spoke to Ted Bundy and he spoke to Peter Sutcliffe and he was there reggie craze deathbed anyway? He's made a career for himself out of out of this true crime and this week and I don't want to impugn his good name. Some of this has been cast doubt upon about whether effectively amounts risen from kettering police dog handler to sort of behavioral profiler. Would I have met the most famous irrecusable time would have received a deathbed confession from Reggie Kray wasn't famously into policemen any worse but that people are just questioning actioning worth of this whole thing is exactly as it's been punished. His book has been withdrawn from sale while the public show sort of gets the head around exactly what's happening. It's been a lot of hyperbole live up to a moving out of the limelight for now and who complainant so they're gonNA get in touch with Reggie Kray for this thing deathbed confession. It's really great way to get an exclusive because it was so it's a deathbed confession that someone you can't liable because there were lifelong criminal and the dead thanks so that was off the record so what doesn't make the leap from police handler and kettering two trusted F._B._i.. And that's what this achieved in his career and that should be the point of the story rather than what was trim what was not because that's a hell of a rise absolutely sure what's your closing South Africa's well. Would you believe it. There is a statue has been put up to Melania trump in her hometown of spending cotton Slovenia and looks like to all intents and purposes of Balsa Wood statue made by three year old. Maybe it is focused or outside their husband did it. I don't think it would have been so flattering in a wonderful blue dress. She does like she's almost is made out of plasticine as well an isolated. I think it's wonderful. It looks amazing. She is holding her left hand. She doesn't even go to hand this is the blue bit above some sort of field full of potatoes or something like that out into the Wilderness and it is the most wonderful thing I'm maybe we have more statues like this. It would sort of take that it would be no take people down. A pack really may need it. It's very very naive. I'll isn't it's little kid by a total turner surprise three time winner. I think it's the latter is facing. This is we're looking at essence of Malania drilling stripping away everything the very core of <hes> yeah very central European you know a creature of the woods creatures awesome well relation of Yes. It looks like it looks like a toy. A kid was given in about eighteen. We've played with a daily basis to it. You know and yet evil. The thing that is key is you make a curse on somebody but so imagine if every country decided to do donald trump statue in this kind of feel and if we had some of the Tory party maybe Nigel farage might work the these these these powerful people house listeners now sean has around. What do you make a House of Commons in kind of Wickham and style? You make little effigies of each M._p.. That you can then you the cursor the last twenty twenty now she's GonNa go on retreats on Sabbatical in my closing some chapters the rehabilitation of Florida man really long piece in the Washington in Post. This is a brilliant brilliant piece about the Florida man phenomenon not just really because it's interesting. I can't believe they was so bloody long you I mean you if you're not familiar with the Florida Florida Man <hes> thing it is the idea that every day there is another insane story which begins Florida man from Florida and tries to pickled prostitute while driving special needs school bus to Florida man tries to reclaim his crock from by wrestling and actual crock all this kind of stuff. It's like the idea that Florida is a uniquely uniquely insane repository of American witness. This great story does is it's points out that if you had to substitute the words homeless person with serious substance abuse problems you'd see these stories at tragedies comical you know the the in the cruelty the of the Internet the story the stories of Florida shed all over the place where I wasn't it funny what these these deprived and unhappy people are up too so the story kind of looks at people who are trying to reclaim the best Florida man about his refusal to conform his ability to <hes> sees the Diane. Do the crazy thing you may have seen the famous picture of a guy in no shirt no shoes and just a big pair of shorts head banging at holding an American flag in the middle of Hurricane Matthew while slayers rating blood plays that is the best of Florida onto start out. It'll hurricane initiates the American flag playing sleigh and refuses to be defeated by an actual hurricane so we'll put this on the facebook page for the show is really interesting on not just the madness of Florida but also how people sort of accentuate and pick pick it out because it's a proxy naturally for their feelings about poor people and minority people and people with drug issues surrealism as well so there's a game you play where you put your birth Dayton and then you put Florida Mine and I got my quite light Florida awarded order the settlement after police mistake doughnut glaze for math in this story because as the guy for the Washington Post says many increasingly Florida man stories attorney it got to be tales of miscarriages so this guy getting the math when he's money for so it's a positive Florida man stories so let's for Florida Man Show Florida woman is just this is all right too. I'm uh I'm GonNa Start Giving in Florida want to see what she's been to anyway. That brings us all to the end of the show road maps. Thanks for coming in rory play next coming up of they'll stuff coming out. Where am I planning some teaching at Broadcasting Glasgow on the twenty seventh of this this month and then I think next month I'm <hes> not stir much till the end of the month when I'm in <hes> in Germany and I'm forgotten the name of the place because it's like really tiny place in the East which I've Indiana a lump sum sure German listeners will be able to themselves Kuban Matt's reminders? What's happening with that talk about trains passing? I'm playing the B._F._i.. Are With without Scottish accent distinct trainspotting on the big screens so I mean if you haven't seen in a big way this is your chance and only ten minutes beforehand so enjoy the film basically fantastic listeners. Thanks for listening to run but where off next week because it's hauls back in two weeks time so in the meantime for me and Sean producer Sobek thanks.