20 Episode results for "Archie Bradley"

Jim Day  Cincinnati Reds Series Review  September 1, 2020

Scoops with Danny Mac

12:58 min | 11 months ago

Jim Day Cincinnati Reds Series Review September 1, 2020

"Should be a good matchup as k. k Kim will go against sunny gray sending grays been outstanding for the reds you can see the game on Fox Sports Midwest Jim. Day. Has had a variety of roles on the broadcast for the Cincinnati reds whether be the host of reds live or sideline or play-by-play currently is the play by play man on TV broadcasts and he joins ME. Now in in gem is always it's great to hear your voice. I wish we were seeing you in person had the chance to see you many years doing blues hockey. You were doing the blue jackets and now covering the reds and the cardinals, but great to hear your voice and great to hear your voice in baseball back our things going with you. Allow, likewise, it's great to hear your voices well, Danny and yeah, it's what twenty twenty is is just so different for for everyone involved in. Not. Being one of the best things about our business is the camaraderie have even between broadcast cruise. We see each other so much being division opponents, and like you said, we've go back to our hockey days and Just not seeing you guys around the ballpark or having a chance to come to Saint Louis which I enjoy baseball town, it's always a great atmosphere even though the cardinals. Usually handle business against the red still great come into Saint Louis. So this everyone everyone involved I, I'm trying to figure out what the deal is here with the Cincinnati reds and maybe you can help me out here the reds pitch in terms of their starters but yet relievers not their fourth-worst era going into this series, but maybe they bolstered that up. With Archie Bradley I, look at the lineup I see big names, but yet it just hasn't come together. What how would you sum up what's happening right now with the two thousand, twenty rides. Listen, if you can figure out baseball. Anyone could figure out the game of of all. You're going to be a rich person that I, it's it's baffling. Dan that the bullpen has been better of late but I you know I wouldn't say a good bullpen yet archie Bradley will help the starting pitching spent really really good. but yeah, they suck some money in the off season and their offense bringing in Nick. Cost Janas bringing in Mike dacas hoping that Shogo Akademik could make leap from Japan. You still have a bottle in the lineup although an aging bottle and you have a you Haniel Suarez wait forty, nine home runs a year ago So it just has not click now it's been amazing to look around baseball on the seat, the lack of hitting league-wide but the reds of even been worse than that they just have not been able to string together innings with multiple hits consistently, they've relied on the home run ball. Too Much, and it just has not developed into a lineup that has been consistently potent and they've you their record is pretty much where they should be because they have not hit and I. Think they're still scratching their head of how it just has not happened. Sonny gray will go tonight he figured it back out with the Cincinnati Reds, Oh hasn't he? All big time. He's he's really fun to watch because he's he's like he's got a bulldog mentality out there much like you see you know many of the cardinals bitches you've seen over the years a really a competitor, one of the best breaking balls that you'll see in the game. In pretty lively fastball as well. He is definitely the ace of of the reds staff He's been a joy to watch and really put it together and he had a bad experience in new. York with the Yankees they were trying to get him to throw maybe pitches. He didn't WANNA throw. He's Kinda backed himself. Derek. Johnson is now a pitching coach for the reds whom he had in college They have a good relationship just Kinda DJ's model dare John's motto is be great at what you're good at. So he allows these guys to throw the pitches that they want, but be great at your good pitches. So it's been a combination that has worked between those two and gray has it going on? He's good third very solid. We've Seen David Bell in Saint Louis He's the manager of the reds he served a suspension last night How can David Bell get this thing going I I know it's Kinda. The million dollar question loved him when he was here in Saint Louis is a bench coach Great Guy Great Baseball family, but what can you do to try to get things going what do you think the formula would be? Well I'm sure at times. He feels helpless as well. You write out a lineup and you've got the names that were talking about in there. I didn't even mention Jesse winker WHO's. Going into last night was second in all of baseball and. who is is really been the most consistent hitter, not only for the reds but throughout. Major. League. Baseball. So I'm sure he's writing out the lineup in. Questioning like were questioning like how how is this lineup? Not, working I'm not sure what you could do I'm sure that he's. In a helpless situation about as positive the guys I've ever been around to the point that you almost want to come out and just start ripping players or or at least in a little more critical, but he is ultra positive. How you ignite that fire I, don't know there's non there's not much time left to do it though they have not been able to string together winning streak it well. It's probably GonNa take more than just winning two out of three in winning series. They're going to have to go on a winning streak to get back in this even though these expanded. Playoffs. You know no one's running away with second place in the division if you finish second in the division year in and even getting that. Eighth Wildcard spot if you will You know if you finish five hundred, you're probably in. Is it doable to get the five hundred? Yeah. But they've got a they've got a string together when extreme and they just have been able to do it. Jim Day is GONNA call the reds game tonight and sending gray against him So the reds go out they they get Archie Bradley you also pick up an outfielder how how will that change maybe the the lineup in what you can do with the the various guys that you have in your lineup what do you think about that? They were talking about Goodwin being an extra outfielder. They've got winker in the outfield who also is a designated hitter. They'd have show Gawky avas playing center field Nick Kost Janos. One thing that they have been missing Nixon Zell has been out he's been on the injured list and really no timetable for his return and he. was going to be the everyday center fielder, with OC, Yama in less Yeltsin. So that has hurt and there's no doubt and they've been searching for a leadoff band leadoff hitter. They haven't got much production outside of. Vodka over the last three games, they've been hitting joey bottle, the leadoff spot, not his natural position. So they've been searching for leadoff hitter insult would certainly help in that regard so good when I would look at it you know left handed bat that would be an extra hour fielder, but he's a veteran. He's got some poppies to supply time. There's no doubt about that they would have traded for if not The one thing that was important to the reds is they control. Both players through next season. So this wasn't just a twenty, some game rental for them You KNOW BARRING ANYTHING UNFORESEEN Archie Bradley at Goodwin will be the reds next year and Bradley pitches to form that really bolsters at anytime. You got a guy that has back into the bullpen experience obviously, that's going to help. So it would look good going into twenty twenty, one adding those guys whether or not. They can make the difference here in twenty twenty days, VC. Sure. In terms of auto, he had a three game break We talked about it on the telecast. Last night you know here's a guy making in upwards of twenty million dollars. He's kind of the leader of the team in in some ways you know by being presence of his bat where he's been hitter he's a veteran it's a short season. How did that play with the team? How did they play with the media? How did it play with the FAN base? What? What did people think with him taking kind of the the mental break last week? While you know it was according to. benching it wasn't mutual that he was out of the lineup he was struggling idol. And we haven't seen it much from vital. But you know we're talking about aging players thirty seven now and he is A. And I don't WanNa. Make excuses for Jelly Vodka. He would be the last one to make excuses as well but he's one of those guys that is a complete routine guy. And he's USTA making adjustments and working it out through hardworking adjustments over one hundred, sixty, two game sees. and. He was being judged on a thirty game performance, these ad that thirty game stretches but he usually worked it out over the long haul just by the process will this process is totally changed in twenty twenty I think it's affected veterans or that it has younger players. and I think. Two Thousand and twenty affected him more than other players but it was. According to him a benching and exit thirty big moment for David Belle's manager to. Sit down a guy making that much money who's been the face of the franchise for a long time it has been. One of the best hitters in the game So but he needed a break, I mean. He's looked much much better. The last few games since it's happened but it is far as the media I. Think people were a little bit surprised the fans many probably some were calling for wwl fans we live in a fickle society. What have you done for me lately? Absolutely. So. I think the first day that it happened it was a little bit surprise you or surprise that lasted three games because Joey was healthy. but the reds at that time were winning. They won four five enforced four straight. So they were wedding with that a lot. Yeah. We're suddenly scoring runs. So David Kinda just stuck with that but it was a surprise in we're gonNA seek inforwars you know as he ages. and he's still under contract for three more years. So. You know I think it's going to be an adjustment period where eventually he's GonNa he's GonNa have more games off and I'm going to say they're going to tune in but he's going to have more games often eventually will down in the lineup. So. This was kind of a wakeup call it. Okay. Maybe this is the beginning of that I'll wrap it up with this trevor bowers and interesting guy what what's been your experience. With Trevor Bauer what's it been like? He's fine to deal with he is definitely an interesting guy. SMART. I mean. He's involved in so much on and off the field as his own media companies doing videos all the time and you know he wrong way because he's very outspoken thing I'll say is he puts himself out there and he puts a name to it out there barking and. Put It on someone else it was his name on it and he lives with it. But he's the he's very knowledgeable about the game and certainly in today's game with all the analytics going on he's really dialed into that in his help other reg pitchers in that regard. so He's a really good team eighties liked the clubhouse It'll be interesting to see that a free agent ear he said over the years he's just going to sign one year sales. He's not looking for a multi-billion wants to go year by year and he wants to be in a position where he can win and be happy. So it'll be interesting to see this offseason. What happens if he sticks to that but you know he's a guy that when he's on many, he can be flat out. Asti agem. Great to hear Your Voice. Good luck tonight, and thanks for your time I really appreciated. All Right Danny great to hear you man my friends stay healthy the. Hopefully sees sooner than later. It sounds good to me. That's Jim Day of the Cincinnati reds.

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 441: AL West Prediction and Impactful Relief Pitchers

GSMC Baseball Podcast

1:10:35 hr | 5 months ago

GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 441: AL West Prediction and Impactful Relief Pitchers

"Golden concept baseball podcast. We cover everything major league from spring training who the world theory. Got your favorite club cover from new york to land. This is the golden state media content. Baseball podcast hello everyone and welcome back to the those e baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host jack ryder. I've got an outstanding show ahead of us today. I'm really excited to get into some baseball news today. As always but i hope everyone's been doing well and staying safe for anyone in the middle part of our country. I especially hope you're safe with all the ice and snow. You all have been hit with. I thought pittsburgh bad. But i was greatly mistaken after seeing all that snow in the weather advisory in the state of emergency in texas. I believe so. Hope everyone out there has been doing well and staying warm. I actually have a friend who was just in saint louis and he said it was about negative fifteen degrees that when he was there for the entire week so you know hope everybody staying safe out in that part of the country but again getting into some baseball news today. I want to discuss some news and then also another division prediction but let's outline what all will be going on today. So let's i get into it. I'll dive into the latest news going around the mlb and discussing any and all of the recent transactions and pickups that have been going on recently and whatnot so get that in the first segment but in the second segment. I wanna get into some relief. Pitchers that have been going off the market this offseason and discuss which relief pitchers i think are going to have the biggest impacts on their new teams this season and then afterwards i'll predict the ao west and share. Where i see certain teams falling amid the standings and discussed which team ic- finishing at the top of the leaderboard. And make sure you stick around for the final few minutes of the show as all discuss the recent changing of minor league affiliates and share some teams that are new affiliates and discussing any other information about this farm system. Change since it's going to be a very different landscape in the minor leagues with all these different kind of big time shuffling around. Anyways i'll get into it at the end of the show but i wanna stick in the first segment because we've got some very recent news coming out of philadelphia and it's not the best news in the as jt. Utah has recently broken. His thumb on his throwing hand happened down in florida when he was trying to block a ball in the dirt because pitchers and catchers have already had to report to spring training. Camp joe girardi. Managers of the team is hoping to have him back for opening day. But they're going to have to reevaluate him in two weeks and you know what this is pretty scary stuff right. Think about it these guys. They've been pretty much out of whack for a good bit of about ten months as everybody has and now they're trying to get back into really the first spring training they've had since technically twenty nine thousand nine when you think about it and i mean i think. They had a very brief spring training last year before things really got. Shut down getting back to the swing of things of the you know the spring training and everything. I'm sure that it's thrown some guys out of the loop you know. It's very unfortunate that this happened. It's a good thing that there is not necessarily a season ending kind of fear with this injury that gt room. Utah might be for the whole year. There's no worry of that right now. So that is a good thing. Hopefully he won't have to get any major surgery. I think he might have the minor surgery. But i'm not quite sure on that all in all. Hopefully this doesn't greatly affect him because again. This is his throwing hand so this could be drastic for the defensive side of his play but again from the from the offense aside at the plate that can also be very detrimental so something to look at throughout the rest of the season. How does it potentially hinder him. Could it be nagging injury that we see throughout the entire season. Who knows so something just to keep an eye on but some other news in regards to big contract. Signings extensions comes from san diego fernando tatis just sign a fourteen year deal worth three hundred and forty million dollars. Yes fourteen years. Three hundred and forty million dollars. He's twenty two years old. That is an absolutely astronomical amount of money. I couldn't even imagine how much what that would look like. In a physical sense. I mean in terms of how many rooms three hundred and forty million dollars would fill up in a physical sense. that's insane. that's an incredible amount of money. it's the third largest contract in. Mlb history in terms of new total money added and the longest extension and years added to a player's contract. Also so a very historic contract if you will we have already seen you know. Certain teams and players make these huge historic no contracts. I mean bryce harper's. I think it was about eleven years. Three hundred and thirty million. I know mike. Trout was about ten years. There's been some very heavy heavy deals over the past few years and honestly the other players that have signed these large extensions in these huge deals. That were at this. I would say level and this grand recently. Have been mookie. Betts and mike trout. They are the only other ones to have. Signed this big of a deal in this big of an extension and they did that at the age of twenty seven. Taty says twenty two so he is way way way ahead of his time. I mean we might be on the on the verge of seeing literally. The face of baseball kind of the next mike trout is my trout has in my opinion. Been the face of baseball for probably the last eight ten years or so or at least one of them i would say but fernando tatis is slowly becoming that face of baseball or at least one of them he's got a signing bonus worth one hundred or ten million dollars and it also ties up with team with the team for a long time and he does avoid arbitration. That's a big thing because he was up for arbitration next year so that is a good thing that they're not going to have to worry about any contract negotiations at any sort of issues like that now again. Having there for fourteen years three hundred forty million dollars they also have much to there for ten years. Three hundred million dollars so they've gone over six hundred million dollars tied up between those two players. I'm really hopeful that they do exactly what the front office of san diego thinks that they will because if not that could be one of the silliest and most out of bounds investments in terms of players probably of all time over half a billion dollars have been put into two players on one team. That's incredible to think about if you really if you really sit down and just realize i mean there's some teams out here that might not even make forty million forty one million in payroll this year right. I mean look at the pirates. They're under forty million dollars in what they're paying their team in payroll same thing with the indians. I mean it is very obvious thing that some players get a lot of money. I'm not saying that. He's not deserving of this. I will say though if you look at it. He's only played in one hundred and fifty career games. So he's getting three hundred and forty million dollars for one hundred and fifty career games. He is the first the the fastest to reach thirty. Nine home runs through the first one hundred and fifty games so it is amongst shortstop. So he's got the most home runs in that first one hundred fifty game span amongst shortstop of all time. So he's off to a great start. I can see why they are very eager to keep him around in san diego and honestly i. I'm not mistaken. I've come on this show. At least you know maybe other shows or whatever but they needed to have totti's there to make sure that things are going to stay intact. I think that is the adhesive that brings everything together and keeps it there. If he's not there. I think that's when things start to crumble. And i think they're really trying to build around him because he is the centerpiece. He is the main piece of this whole puzzle and so as a result. I think it was very smart for san diego. I think that they were kind of pre setting it. Maybe getting manny machado and trying to tie him up for a while to shohei other younger guys. We've got a guy that's very experienced. He brings a lot of potential. He brings a lot of talent and he brings a great resume already with him. Why wouldn't you wanna play here. And it's sunny san diego. Why would you. Why would you not want to play. They're so although he hasn't played as many games he's on an incredible home. Run pace right now amongst all time shortstops and he's definitely got flare about him. I mean i think that is another thing that breathes life into this. You know padres team and really kind of excites people you know. I think that's the big thing. Is that a lot of people are going to be very very eager to see how he does in his first year after scientists contract but not to mention. He's i think people are going to be excited to see him overall because he is kind of this polarizing figure in baseball. I mean he's on video game covers and he's on tv commercials and everything else. He's going to become kind of a a baseball player. That goes beyond just being a pro athlete. He's going to be kind of a staple. I think in sports overall so going to be very exciting to see what happens in san diego but now staying in the west but on the other side of the league in the al the as have made i think a very very big move after the departure of one of their top relief pitchers as they've now require. Trevor rosenthal on a one year deal worth eleven million dollars this is a big move because they lose liam hendriks to free agency obviously and they lost a good pitch a good a good portion of their relief pitching in the relief. Pitching was very good last year. So a lot of that now very depleted. I would say but you get rosenthal. Rosenthal i think is a great at houston last year with the padres and the royals. He had a one point. Nine era with eleven saves and thirty eight ks and twenty three and two thirds innings so inefficient pitcher. A guy that you can throw in not only as a closer but he could be a middle inning guy. Somebody that could come in six seventh set. Set this closer up. Maybe he can be that guy that can do that as well but he's probably going to be their main closer. I will say because. Obviously losing joe or a walkies oria and liam hendriks not just hendrix but also story two very good pitchers to establish pictures out of the pen. That's another thing that they're going to have to make up for think. Getting trevor rosenthal was the first step in doing it. I mean the guy allowed three hits in his entire stint with san diego. You only allow on one on earned run in ten innings. So that's telling you right there. I mean if you've got a lead of your the athletics. And i think that's why the as might play the way that they do. They really try to emphasize on situations where they can. Just get that that you know that comfortable enough of a lead that big enough margin and then they can look their defense. They can let their pitching the. And i think that's how they of go about playing baseball and i think that's a wise thing to do. I mean this team. They've got potential to be good. That also matt chapman sure they did lose. Marcus semi-in they did lose. Chris davis will see how elvis andrus does. I don't really have a whole lot of faith in him but they've got pieces. That could be pretty good. And it's just a matter of i think in certain situations in certain games. Can they barely put up a enough offense to just be. You know maybe a run ahead or two runs ahead and then just let their pitching the rest. And when you've got a guy like rosenthal that'd be very confident and a one run to run ballgame. Having him on the mound and from twenty twenty seventeen rosenthal had a lot of success that three point three era three hundred seventy three relief appearances in one hundred and thirty two saves with the cardinals so he comes from a winning background with saint louis and they won probably somebody that also had experience in the relief pitching area in the playoffs especially i mean rosenthal brings that he's got a two point four era and his twenty seven appearances in the playoffs. He's gone. I believe five different times. So he's somebody that is very season in that department and this is a young as team that doesn't have a ton a ton a ton of playoff experience and as a result i think that bringing in somebody like rosenthal. It can do a lot more than just a really good performance on the field but also allow him to be that leader. Kind of be that veteran that everybody can go to and in a situation where you need a big play. You need a big out and you're in the playoffs. You can go to rosenthal and he can be that reliable arm. He's a hard throwing closer. I mean he's got he's in the ninety nine th percentile in fastball velocity and twenty twenty so this could definitely some things up in oakland and i think as are going to be very happy that they've got rosenthal and they were able to kind of patch up this falling apart ballpen that they were having with hendrix and story both leaving but i want to close things out here in the opening segment discussing some recent news with the blue jays and where they'll be playing this year s. The canadian officials still don't want them in the country to play due to the pandemic so the blue jays will start the season playing in florida. Down induna in florida at td ballpark and this is very kind of reminiscent of last season where they played in buffalo. They weren't able to be in the country because they didn't because the canadian officials did not want american teams coming into the country and potentially spreading the virus or whatever it might have been what they played in buffalo and it was very interesting again. This is because they might return to buffalo. But the reason why they went to florida's because if the season starting on time you don't want to be up in buffalo in early april even in late march. Even if you get in the mid to late april it still going to be very very cold. The blue jays actually made this choice themselves because they felt that you know asking for permission to play. An roger center was just not appropriate because of just a last summer. They weren't clearly allowed to do it. You know the toronto raptors. They're not allowed to be in canada right now. They're playing in tampa bay so kind of an overall theme that with these very few canadian teams that are in these american professional leagues. they you know the canadian officials. They don't want them up there they just say hey. Just stay down in america and play your season and then you can quarantine then come back when you can. There are some issues though that came up with this moving down to florida because of a the size of the spring training field. They did go over. They did go under some renovations. The dugouts are up to speed and standards. But there's there's a there's a need for more lights. I believe they need to build. I believe four five more sets of lights. Because hey it's gonna start getting dark and eventually especially early on. It's going to be dark earlier than it will be probably in july. So you're going to need these lights at some point or another and again the the weather is a big factor in with kind of this big weather crisis. That's going on. You definitely don't want to be up north right now. And they might need at addition an another addition to the stadium for possibly visiting teams and to allow for social distancing guidelines. I actually saw something very interesting. I believe that they've got batting cages right now on the grand concourse at the stadium for the teams to work out to promote Social distancing in kobe protocols and whatnot. But i guess once fans are allowed in the stands because they're only going to allow about a fifteen percent capacity for the spring training games. So they're going to barely open up the stadium for the fans there and i think what they're planning on doing is they're going to slowly but surely move their way back to canada. Probably not with this season but probably throughout the rest of the season. They're going to go from florida and they're going to work their way back to buffalo. But it's going to all depend on how the vaccine is rolled out. They might move and really how the triple eighteen. That's in buffalo is the buffalo bites and that is how that's going to be factored in what's going to go on with their season are they even gonna have a season i mean. Hey if they have a season and they need to have a stadium. That's going to be a nightmare for the blue jays. So they might have to stay down in florida and there's some other issues that do come with the blue jays and kind of their whole farm system as their high. Eighteen is the only canadian minor league team the vancouver canadians. And there's another issue. Where are they gonna play there. The loan minor league team in canada. So they're trying to figure out. I think also a place for them to play and whatnot so a lot of issues that are kind of on the horizon. I feel for the blue jays. And hopefully if i'm them i honestly just stay down in florida. You know why. Go through that headache of moving the team back up to buffalo. You know having a really russian and prep the stadium. I know that they did it last year. But if they're planning on having people in the stadiums the you might as well just not rush that process and say hey. We don't know we don't even know what's going to happen with this vaccine rollout so as a result should we even rush through and get this stadium built up for the for the blue jays up in buffalo or should we just kinda take our time with it and allow it to kind of work. Its course and they can just stay down in florida. I really don't see the point of moving right. I mean they'd have to do it. Midseason who knows that they'll have to probably quarantine from travelling and whatnot so that could really set things back further than people think And so i think as a result this is going to be a very interesting situation to kind of see how you know a team might know kind of maneuver through this whole pandemic but also what will happen. Midseason you know. Are they going to you know. Possibly i don't know You know move the team and a certain you know during the all star break. They're going to be maybe an extended. I mean there's a lot of possibilities and there's a lot of unknowns and so as a result i feel like we can't really jump to any conclusions but personally i just see the blue staying in florida. I know it's going to be hot. And i know that you know coming from canada. You're probably used too much summer. But at that's how it's gotta be for the summer. That's how it has to be right. And i think that you know at the same time you obviously want the players to be safe and careful but if you take them from florida and you bring them up the buffalo. You could be exposing a whole new population of people up in buffalo with whatever. The blue jays brought with them from florida. Because from what. I hear florida's really i mean it's like cova doesn't even exist down there. So that's another issue is how strict the rules are going to be in the protocols down in florida versus if they move up to buffalo and how they're gonna have to adjust to that there's so many details it needs to be ironed out in this and i'm sure they're going to do it but i'm hoping that they can figure it out sooner rather than later but as of right now there's playing down in florida they're going to have a fifteen percent capacity in the spring training games and they're probably just going to go from there going into the you know the further along into the season and as we continue on into the spring and in the summertime to so it'll be very interesting to see what goes on down in florida with the blue jays. But that's gonna do for us in this first segment folks but don't go anywhere because when i get from the commercial break i'll share. Which relief pitchers i think are going to have the biggest impact on their new teams this year. But folks stay right there. We'll be right back here on the gmc baseball podcast. The ultimate stopper. Everything sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba to mma. All in here. Golden state media concepts sports bod. Cab listen welcome back to the gmc baseball podcast. Jack right now with you. All in per segment i got into the recent news in the world and shared where the blue jays are going to be playing the first bit of their season this year. But make sure you stick around for the final few minutes of the show today as get into the minor leagues restructuring and which affiliates are now with which teams and how might look in the mlb and the miners as well. But i wanna now dive into discussing. Some relief pitchers that were picked up this offseason that i think we'll have some of the biggest impacts personally this season on their new teams. There's been a lot of guys on the on the move. There's been a lot of big time names. Also that have been kind of moving around and whatnot amongst different teams. So the first guy. I've got to discuss while story. I mean he's going to be a big pickup for the diamondbacks. He was huge for the athletics. And i think that if you really look at this diamondbacks team. They've got some potential. I think that they just haven't really scratch that surface yet then. I think that they might need a start in the bullpen. With that pitching. I mean they did lose archie bradley out of the bullpen. This year to free agency so picking up. Somebody like story is always a really really great at one up if you will. And he is a nice replacement. I mean he's somebody that had half the era that bradley had leary was about a four point two in stories around two point. Two two point six somewhere in that general area so not to mention the diamondbacks this to the young team i think and i and i feel like they need some veteran. Pitching kind of like how they went out and got madison bumgarner. Now you get somebody keeps oria. And i think that kind of balances things out very well in not only bullpen. But their entire pitching staff and he's actually not been named the closer quite yet but he will come in as the oldest relief pitcher on their staff so he can bring up getting a lot of experience. He can bring a lot of success. A lot of playoff experience and he's got the third they are. Excuse me the as the third fewest holds as a bullpen a year. Excuse me the diamondbacks. The diamondbacks had the third fewest holds as bullpen. A year ago so getting him and bring him in as an inbetween reliever. That's going to be really big for their. You know not only. They're just overall pitching but that in between pitching that later inning pitching once you get into those six seven inning stretches. That's where the pitching can really go one way or another. And if you've got somebody that's reliable. Like i mentioned in the first segment about rosenthal being reliable for the as i think it can be that reliable reliable arm for the diamondbacks and has been very consistent his entire career. He had a two point eight year last year. And he's had below four era in three of the last four seasons he is capable of being a closer and kind of being in that role. I mean from a way to eleven. He had at least twenty five stays in each of those seasons and he was an all star twice. So right there. That's telling me. The guy's got the capability to be a main closer. He can be the capability he has the capabilities of being a middle reliever back and reliever. I mean he can do a lot of different things so i think having him. He's one of the more versatile. Relief pitchers there are in baseball. Plus again thirty five thirty six years old brings a lot of experience with him. And i think he can share with some of the younger pitchers in other guy that i think's gonna have a huge impact alex colom. I think that he's gonna have a huge impact for the twins not to mention he's in the same division he's he did not leave the division so as a result. He has a great familiarity with a lot of teams. And i think that's going to also play into his advantage a little bit in this season. He's got a i mean. The twins had a depleted bullpen. I mean there's no question about that. They lost a lot or the offseason. They lost guys like sergio romo. Trevor may so on and so forth so cologne will come in. And i think he'll be welcomed with open arms because this was a very good ballpen minnesota had a sixty three percent. Save percentage a year ago and colome has been in the top five in saves in the al each of the last two seasons. And he's and four of the last five years as well so somebody that has been very efficient in terms of you know saves and a guy that i think can be again a very good late inning guy. He's a hard thrower and he's an efficient pitcher. He moves in and out of innings in one of the highest saves. total totals this year. So i think that story or a could be a big time piece for the twins. Because like i said they lost about four to five relievers from last year and they were a top five bullpen. So bring him in. I think it's going to breathe some life back into their pitching. He also had the fifth highest win probability in the last air in the al last year. So it's almost dead set. Get that when he comes in with a lead. He's very solid. He's pretty efficient and he's never. He is not blown more than five saves in the last three years with last year. Having a twelve out of thirteen saves to save opportunities and then thirty two thirty three and twenty nineteen so a very high percentage in saves very similar to what the twins are looking for since they've got one of the higher save percentages from last year his whip is also the lowest. It's been in his entire career this past season so i think they got him at the right time in his career. Thirty one thirty somewhere. You know young thirties allows him to again. Still have a couple of good years in him. And i think that this twins team. They're looking for anything at this point. I think that they're looking for experience. Playoff experience whatever they can get their hands on because they just can't the at a certain point they crumble in the fall apart. And i've never seen anything like it. They're really good for the first part of the season and then as time goes on they just start to tumble and i think that they need somebody like cologne. Who could maybe keep them picked up a little bit throughout the year. So i think he's going to be a big impact for the twins. But then another guy and i mentioned already and the first thing but i'm going to have to mention him again because he's going to be that big of an impact. Trevor rosenthal right. I mean i. I don't think there's any way around it how you could argue that. Rosenthal's not going to be a really big piece for this athletics team because again losing hendricks. That's a lot to lose. And they're both in the same general age range. They both put up similar numbers. So essentially you're just kind of swapping one out for the other. He will be the main closer. I personally think for this bullpen. Because i mean this. And they were very solid the last few years and really last year to they actually had the second highest save percentage in the mlb last year at an eighty one percent clip. And then the second fewest blown saves in twenty twenty also with only four out of the twenty one opportunity so this as team they really pride themselves on late inning pitching and i think rosenthal again brings exactly that like i mentioned. He only allowed one unearned run his entire time with the padres through ten eleven innings. I mean the guy is inefficient pitcher and especially in a late game situation faucet. This as team i mean let's face it right there. In probably the one of the weakest divisions in baseball i think that the angels and the astros. we're going to hear my eo production prediction in the next segment. But i think the angels astros and athletics. It's gonna be a battle of the teams right. I mean that's what it's going to be it's going to be. I think a three way battle atop the leaderboard with those three. And so i think that the as losing semi and like i mentioned losing. Chris davis they needed something to kind of patch up these holes and i think that's what rosenthal is going to bring and not not to mention i mean he has bounced around from team to team the last couple of years what. He's been successful everywhere he's gone. I mean. He was with san diego. Kansas city last year year before he was with detroit with washington so four teams in two years. That's a lot of changing but again if you can be good wherever you are then. There shouldn't be an excuse why he might not be good in oakland. Because he's proven in the last four stops that he's still got a lot left in the tank and he's got a capability of being a high saves closer to so that's why you know i personally would put him in as the closer and have him as the main role a career high forty eight in twenty fifteen hit forty five and two thousand fourteen so back to back forty plus seasons. That's not easy to do right. I mean that's a pretty hard to conquer and not only you know with hendrix. Gone but also we have to remember story is gone so this is going to be a really nice breath of fresh air for the as to kind of bring some talented pitching bringing some experience pitching and i think this as team again similar similar to the twins. They're they're just keep knocking at the door. They keep chiseling away and they just for whatever reason they can't get over this hump. They can't get over this playoff. I know that last year they kind of they kind of did with getting past the the white sox in that first round sort of kind of but after that they kind of fizzled out and they don't have enough. I think juice in there in them and they don't have enough talent and enough pieces to go really really far. I think getting rosenthal that can kind of cover that up again a little bit. Because if you've got an effective pitcher late in the game you don't need to have a crazy lead. You just need to have a comfortable lead enough one to two runs and he can do the rest. And i think that's will bring for the athletics. So the next guy the guy that left oakland liam hendriks i think that hendrix getting added to a team that again needs experience in the pan. They need experienced pitching overall like the white sox. That's exactly what they need it right. I mean he was an all star. Twenty nineteen nine. He's coming back to back years with sub to erase and for a team that is. I would say contending for the world series. This is exactly what you want right. I mean the the. They've gone out and they've done exactly what they've needed to do. They boosted up their starting. Pitching their relief pitching. They added a couple of hitting pieces but they didn't really need to do a whole lot of adjusting because they've got a great lineup. I mean you look at their line of you. Look who they have. And i mean it's almost staggering that they weren't able to go further along in the playoffs. Because personally i think that on you know this white sox team they were arguably the most talented team in the al in the playoffs last season. Obviously you have the yankees and you also have the astros but in terms of not only you know hitting but also pitching. I think now you can really make a case that this white sox team. They're really talented right. In the white sox they were below the league average teams as of thirteen and they had a fifty two percent save percentage so bringing in a guy like hendrix is going to boost up big time and hendrix had some incredible closing numbers last two years. I mean he had fourteen saves and then in twenty nine in a last year fourteen saves so one of the higher save totals and twenty one thousand nine hundred twenty five states which was actually a career high before twenty nineteen. He'd never had more than one. Save saving a season so he does bring in between inning experiences. Well he's not just a closer so they could even move him around. Potentially i mean he's you know again. Another versatile arm kind of like joakim. Soria somebody that could be both a closer and a relief pitcher it just kind of decision you wanna go to which kind of direction you wanna go in if the white sox wanna make a run. I think they're gonna need to get someone like again hendrix to be that anchor for their rotation. I think that he's going to be their main guy when it comes to late inning situations. I think you know they've got a pretty young relief corps. So i think that he can be the kind of that go-to guy for them in those situations but he can also teach those guys how to compose themselves in hold themselves in these certain situations these late ending situations so i think hendrick who's going to be a nice ad for the white sox. I personally think that you know that might have been the icing on the cake for them. And in terms of making a playoff run. I will say if they don't live up to this expectation they will by far. Be one of the most disappointing teams. I think in the last ten years i could. I could genuinely go out on a limb and say that. I think that they could be one of the most disappointing teams in baseball. If they don't live up to these expectations no question but getting away from that getting out of liam hendriks me wanting. Now jump over to brad. Hand a guy that i think the nationals. They needed someone out of the penalty. Dominating sean doolittle really kind of faltering towards the end daniel. Hudson last year was terrible. I think i mean he was really bad. So getting somebody like brad hand who led the mlb as last year. And he's a three time. All star clearly is going to be a big edition for them not to mention all the other ads that they made as well. What the nationals actually had some of the fewest saves in the entire league this year and they allow the six most inherited runs in twenty twenty s. Well so bringing and brad hand can really minimize that i think. And he's a guy that again. He uses an arsenal of pitches. He can move in and out of innings and he can be that shutdown option that they need not to mention daniel. Hudson's era was a six point. One right. I mean you can't be a closer with more than the three era. In my opinion. I think if you start getting towards four and five. That's where you're closer position should maybe be in check out a little bit. At least maybe come into question potentially because you really can't do much in that situation you really can't. So i think that them having you know a pretty young relief corps with three of the five main arms and the pen being under thirty bring in somebody like brad hand is going to be a nice little a rejuvenation. I would say because hudson and ryan harper. They were the other two that were over the age of thirty that were coming out of the bullpen and they were the only ones that had erase over six. So right there that's telling you maybe it's just the guys that are getting a little old that you need to kind of move out and bring in some. You know young talent. I'm not saying that. Brad hand is you know this this spring chicken per se but he is one hundred percent somebody that is going to bring a little bit more of a. They still have a little bit more left in the tank and they've got a little bit more of a career in them. Still with guys like daniel hudson and ryan harper clearly. Not having that same kind of amount of time left in their career. And i think that having hand will do wonders for this national team. I think that they could really make a legitimate playoff. Push and i mean this is going to be a tough east but i really don't see how brad hand would not be effective with the nationals. Unless he's got some catastrophic downfall but. I don't think that'll happen so brad hand another relief pitcher to really pay attention to this year. We're getting in the last two. The first one greg holland. Another guy that. I think is going to be really really big for them. Because when rosenthal left kansas city they needed somebody to step up. And i think that greg holland can be that guy. He is old but he's still got something left in him right. I mean the royals. They actually had the best. Save percentage with only one blown save the entire season they had the fewest in the mlb. The fewest blown saves in the entire majors so having hall and they're clearly does wonders and he wasn't even the fulltime closer. You only registered about six as last year so having him still as a potential option to go to that says a lot right there right and i think that's a big thing to to to put in to add into your rotation overall because if not kansas city royals team you look at their team and how it's built and how it's structured right now. I don't know i'm kind of tossed up on you know. I know that. I've been very high up on them and i think that they're heading in the pieces that they've they've put together have been great. But i you know the pitching. It's still kind of in question a little bit but having greg holland there. I think it kind of gives a lot of reassurance in that situation and again he wasn't the main closer but he had a one point nine. Era last year and not to mention. This is a team that he is familiar with and he is spent at least two different periods in his career with the royals he went to back to back world series with this team. So this is a guy that you know. The royals love right similar to how kind of alex gordon was with the royals. They really really really really enjoy having him. So i think that hong will be a nice addition but then the final guy. I want to touch on archie bradley. And i think archie bradley in my opinion. I mean he's needed right. I think he's one of the most needed relief pitchers in all of the free agency right and i think it's because this phillies bullpen was atrocious right. They were one of the worst. They had the worst bullpen. Era over the in over the last ninety years of baseball. That is terrible right. I mean that's going way back in time so this bullpen needed. I think a a major you know. Just kind of turning around fixing Just a complete redoing if you will and browse. He's done a nice job archie bradley. Jose alvarado two guys that he's gone out and gotten and again i don't know if he's going to necessarily be a dominating force i don't think he's gonna be a lights out guy but i think he's going to be better than what they've had in the past and he's going to be a better option than what they would normally have. I would say because let's face it. I mean this phillies team. You look at their their bullpen. And it's all over the place right and the same thing with their starting pitching after zack wheeler and you've got guys like f lynn. I mean it's there's not a whole lot else there to go to as a pitching so. I think that pitching was a big thing. Obviously they wanted to tie down. Jt room utopia thought it was very wise. That dombrowski went after god. A guy like bradley and then also got a guy like alvarado so those are two guys that i definitely think could be big pieces for the phillies But those are a couple of relief pitchers. I think that are going to definitely be fun to watch this year. Couple of guys that come to mind. I mean kirby gates. I think that he's got a lot to prove. Especially with. After the season he had in two thousand twenty and then he had that really really big year and twenty nine hundred so a huge dropoff from twenty nine hundred twenty twenty. But i think this could be a big kind of turning around for him hopefully again new team. He's in toronto. Well not really in toronto. Me kind of is in toronto. He's what the blue jays attain that's going to be a contender without question so he can capitalize. Because if not you know. I think that could be a big problem. But overall i think there was a lot of good pieces added around the the the majors in the bullpen department. And from what i see. They're still a couple of arms that are out there so we'll have to see how that fairs and where guy still land throughout the rest of this offseason so close things out for us and our second segment here on the gmc baseball podcast. Thanks again for tuning in coming up after the commercial. I want to get into yet again. Another division prediction. In this time. Give a prediction of the al weston who i could see finishing top the leaderboard in the division. It's been a lot of fun so far but we have got a lot more to go. Don't change that channel. We'll be right back here on the gmc baseball podcast. Tired of the vast jungle of podcast. 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Who i think will finish. Where in the west and it's a very interesting division in my opinion. I don't think that honestly you know. And i remember when i ranked the different divisions in baseball a couple of episodes ago. I believe the ao west. If i'm not mistaken they were the last the last division that i ranked in out of all of the divisions in baseball them in central going into this year. So i don't really have a whole lot of faith in the al west. I'm not very impressed with a lot of the teams. I honestly think it will be very easy for whom ever comes out as a playoff team. I think it'll be very easy for them to figure out a playoff spot. But getting into who i see finishing wear and whatnot coming in at number five. I'm gonna go from number five number one. I usually do coming in a number five. The mariners and i just this is a team. I'm not very sold on at all. And i know that last year there was a certain period of time it was probably between the thirty to forty game mark where they made a little bit of a comeback towards the end of the season. You know they kind of pulled within about a game or two of that. Last wildcard spot and i remember watching very intently. That that wild card race because i remember he it was the mariners and the orioles and somebody else and it was all three very interesting teams. Kind of fighting it out and the mariners. They pulled the very close but they were not able to capitalize. And i think that is again a sign that they just don't have that personnel on their roster. I think that adding james paxton obviously is going to do a lot of good things for their pitching core. It's gonna be. I think somebody that a lot of the younger pitchers because they've got one of the youngest pitching course in baseball. So adding james paxton not only it brings some familiarity back because he had some of his best seasons and best years in seattle he can also mentor and kind of be that veteran arm for these guys to look up to but during the trade deadline. They didn't lose austin nola. Who's a solid bat and their lineup. He was actually before he was traded. One of their best hitters percentage wise. And so i just feel like their lineup is a little shaky. Shore kyle lewis. I mean there's no question about it that he's going to be in my opinion. Probably one of the best baseball players as as time goes on in the league. I mean he's he's right there with you. Know kinda guys like luis robert. And you've got a you've got guys like you. Obviously kyle lewis. But then fernando tatis want soto some of these younger guys that are going to start coming up through the ranks. He's one of those guys. So i think that he can be a really nice piece for them. Moving forward as a franchise. But this team overall i mean the hitting what really i think was just dilapidated right. I mean the hitting was just atrocious. They finished twenty fourth in the league. Last year team average were fifth and team home runs and the twenty eighth in oak so they and they didn't really add any power. I mean there was no power brought back to their lineup. There was no real power bat put in their lineup at all so i just don't think that they a address the issues that they have right. I mean you look at their lineup. In his there is not much power hitting at all. There's not much hitting at all. In general so i think that this is a team that could be good down the road. They do again have one of the younger pitching staffs their team. Averages actually twenty six and a half or twenty six point nine years old so just about twenty seven there. The third youngest team. I believe in the so. This is a team that i think is going to be building. Its way up through the west right now. It's not their time. But i think that eventually they will be a team that could be fighting for first place in a os now getting into number four. I think that the rangers are gonna fall fall in that fourth place again. This is an interesting team that i think could possibly shock a lot of people and myself included. They got rid of elvis. Andrus who i think was a at some point or another had to go because he was just not performing. He was honestly going in the wrong direction. They did upgrade with a high power potential player. Like chris davis. They added dave doll. Who was coming off an all star year. Twenty nine thousand nine. This is a terrible batting line-up right. I mean this lineup was awful. Last year. they had five of their nine guys. That started that below. Two hundred and one of them was joey gallo who the year before he had a career. High two fifty three average. Twenty two homers. He was an all star. He only played in seventy games but he still had a really good year and as a result you kind of wonder about this rangers team as a whole but again they added the guys that could really help out. That lack of hitting david dole a bad at three. Oh five in two thousand nineteen. Chris davis batted above forty home runs for three straight years from twenty sixteen to twenty thousand eighteen. So they've got pieces. That could be actually really really good. They also add nate. Lau who i think will be very good at first base for them. He played pretty solid when he was with tampa over seventy one games to fifty one and slugged four. Forty-seven again not great not terrible. I think that's something that could be worked with. I mean he's twenty five so he's young and he's got a lot of potential down the road to possibly be really good and i think again adding doll is going to be really big with how well he played in two thousand nine hundred nine but he is coming off surgery and i just don't know about how healthy he will be with. Also i don't really know about the pitching i mean. The pitching of they made were a little bit questionable. In my opinion adding dane dunning after lance. Lynn got traded away. I'm not sold on him. He did not impress me in the playoffs last year. I definitely think that he's got a lot of growing to now. He did have a pretty good regular season yet. A three point nine year. A thirty five ks in thirty four innings so he did have a little bit of a of a sign of you know playing pretty well. I don't necessarily think that he's going to be a big difference maker. I think maybe a couple years but again the mariners and rangers are comparable teams in my opinion because they're two teams. They've got players in certain places. That could definitely help them out. I just don't know if they can be pieces. That put it all together right. I don't think they've got that kind of collective glue. That kind of brings everyone together. A tot teeth for the padres right and all of that other talent is attracted towards him. They don't really neither team really has that and back to the pinching you go out and get a guy like mike foale tanovic. Who if you ask me. I think he's on the down spin of his career. I mean he was terrible last year he was so bad in one outing that after that one outing atlanta simpson sends him to their training facility down in florida. He has sixteen era and this is a team that was not a great pitching team now they did have land but that was really the only piece that they had so i really do question. The rangers a little bit. I think that there were some moves that were much better than the mariners. Obviously but i still am not completely sold on the ranger. So i've got them coming in at fourth now getting into number three. I've got the astros finishing in third and this might be crazy. Hot take but i don't think the astros are going to be that good. This year i really don't i mean berliner. He's coming off a year. He was out the entire season just about and he's getting older and he's not getting any younger. So how is his return going to be as return going to be the same. That's going to be a big question right there right. I think that's going to be kind of a question mark as i'm watching them this year. How healthy will be going into next year and not to mention his health. Stay up to speed right. The also lose george springer. He's gone and now you lose someone. That was a major piece of your lineup. A consistent home run hitter who who belted thirty plus homers a year after year eighty plus. Rbi's you don't have him anymore. Now you do. Resign michael brantley. I will give you that. That is a good sign. I believe they resigned. lance mccullers. They re signed a lot of guys. But i just don't know if the astros. I figured that with a team that an honestly they had a lot to prove last year i think they went into that season kind of off of that whole cheating scandal and everything that kind of went down and how they were found guilty of it and whatever else and there's all this speculation the come into the season they don't have a very good year. A lot of people. I think are then asking themselves well. They only good because they cheated. You know why were they so good that one year and then they come back the next season after that all comes out and they are terrible so i do think that they've got a lot to prove they've got a lot of people to try and win back that that kind of good reputation they had before. But i just think that you know again. They're pitching is not what it once was right. You don't care coal anymore. Ver- lander zach cranky. Aren't the same pitchers they once. Were now that cranky did have a good year. Last year i will give him that. But again with berliners health. I just don't know what to think of that. Right and the ashes. They also have some of the. They've they've seen some of the biggest drop offs in their numbers overall. I mean as a team from one thousand nine hundred twenty twenty. They went from i in an average and then they went to the literally in the bottom half towards the twenties of those both respectful of categories hitting as a team. So you have to think. That's him john drop off. You go from first place in average. And i believe they were ninety or twentieth in team. Averaging twenty twenty. After being i in twenty nine thousand nine and then in two thousand nineteen they were i know. Ps and they were like nineteenth hundred twentieth and team. Oh ps so again. I just don't know if. I really trust this astros team completely and i think that again the other thing is they don't have much competition. There's not much other t there's not many other teams in this conference in this division. That scare me like oh my gosh you know. This is going to be a really dominating team. I really just don't know if this is going to be a team that is going to be. That dominating was it's again a very different team than it was a couple years ago. They've got a couple of guys that are gonna be up for free agency pretty soon like carlos correa. Who's been a big piece for them. So this is big year for the astros. If they don't perform well they could lose korea. I think they got lucky with getting brantley to come back to their team. But we already saw. George springer was a okay with leaving so i think that he's just the first guy to go and we're soon going to see a following in suit of a lot of other guys also leaving which is unfortunate to see kind of a team like you know obviously the astros at one point or another. They were the best team in baseball. They were world series champions now how they did. It was very questionable but still they were playing very very very well. I will give them this. Though they had the fewest ks in the entire league last season. So this is a very patient team and it makes sense because they do have a lot of veterans on their team. They've got a lot of guys. That are have a lot of experience. So i understand why there's so much patients there but again i just don't feel that. This is a team that we are used to seeing anymore. And i that they might be going back to kind of rebuild face. Maybe not necessarily anytime that soon but somewhere down the road. And the relative time yeah. I could definitely see that happening so now coming in a number two i want to discuss the angels. I think the this very bowl take again. I think a lot of people might feel the astros in the athletics. Might be the one in two teams. But i think the angels are going to be in second place here again last year. They added rundown and he had a pretty good year. He started off slow but he then coppee picked it up and figured it out. You obviously have mike trout. Show you itani. He's coming back on an extension. I believe it's two years for. I think it was eight and a half million or i don't know how much it was exactly. But he's got a two year extension. If i'm not mistaken. And they also went out and they added dexter fowler which is a wise move to bring in some veteran leadership. You also added jose iglesias. You brought an alex. Cobb and. I think that the alex cobb move is very intriguing. One because if they are right. Like they worked with dylan bundy when dylan bundy came from baltimore than alex. Cobb could be playing some of his best baseball. Coming up. this season dylan bundy. His last year in baltimore had a four point. Seven nine era when he came to l. a. Last year hit a three point. Two nine era so his era drop down by one and a half or so. That's a pretty solid. Drop off if you ask me. So if alex cobb can have that similar success then yeah. I think that this is going to be a really dangerous angels team. Because they've got a lot of hitting. That's what i've always been very puzzled by almost in this angels team in the roster and whatnot. I just don't know what to think of. How a team. That has all of this talent. They've got all of these players on this roster and they're just not able to put it together and i feel like they just under perform each and every single year i go into the last two years i've gone in with a positive mindset about the angel saying you know what this is going to be year the angels are really going to put it together and i find it very ironic that the best arguably the best baseball player in baseball plays on one of the worst teams in baseball. It's very ironic. When you think about that. And i think that it's going to be an unfortunate thing if mike trout doesn't ever win a world series in his career because he just and that's another thing i mean who knows. He's not that old and when this contract is up that he's got he might wind up leaving and going to another team and winning a world series somewhere else and i think it would just be a really sad thing to see him leave. The angels never going anywhere in the playoffs in the world series. None of that and he has to go and do it for another team. I think that would just be really just wouldn't look good right. I don't think it would look very at all. But it would be great for him because he would finally get to win one what it would not look great on the angels but anyways i don't have a whole lot of faith for the angels this year. I have actually a lot of face for the angels this year. This is the year. I think that they could really make a playoff run. I think that they could be very successful but again this whole division is just a toss up. There's nobody that stands out to me. That's like wow. That's a dominating team and again even the even the astros the angels none of them jump out at me. As i'm i'm shaking in my boots scared. None of them did and so as a result. I think that's why it's going to be a big toss up this year and who's going to win it in the al west. But i've got the angels coming in at second and then my number one team who i think is gonna win it all the athletics and although this team hasn't seen really any major ad and they lost more than i would say they gained. They lost chris. Davis liam hendriks. But you get trevor rosenthal back. And i think trevor rosenthal is a pretty solid. Get if you ask me now. The team has figured out how a win away to win. I think with little talent. I mean very little talent. So i feel that they can figure out you know once again this year how to win that way with not that much star-studded power. I think that matt chapman and matt olsen. They've got the potential to be superstars. I think that if they're healthy if they can come back healthy the those are two players that could really do a lot of damage. And so i just wonder with this athletics team kind of how they go about building this this roster and briefly touched on it earlier i feel like they don't really go out and spend a whole lot of money on offense because they want the office to do just a good enough job as it can to the to the point where the pitching can come in take over and just shut shut things down and shut the game down. So i think that's why they really try to emphasize on the solid pitching because they've had some pretty good pitching especially out of the bullpen. I just and the other thing with matt also matt chapman is their health. They were both injury injured at some point or another this year. you know. i can't remember if. I think it's matt chapman. Who's coming off or matt coming off of social Surgery if i'm not mistaken that's another thing to watch for. They also lost. Robbie grossman out on the field. They do add. Elvis andrus which is an interesting add and i know that i wasn't very keen on it but i mean who knows right. I mean we can't really guests right now. What's going to happen and what's not. I don't think that much will happen with andrews at short. I think that they're going to really miss market semi-in who was huge for them. But i think that eventually you know he could become a guy that is a reliable bat in certain situations that they need right. And i think that's another thing they're looking for guys that have some sort of playoff experience. I think that's what they are. They're aware of they've got talent they just don't have guys that have playoff experience. And i think that's where they run into kind of this wall each and every single season when they try and get to this point at least a couple last couple of years they have were they get to a certain point. They do really good and again. They just kind of flato or flatten out or they run into a wall and they are not able to get over that hump. So i think this is a year where they're going to have a lot more success than people think they are but overall this is a very interesting division right. I mean a big tossup division. If you ask me but without a doubt i definitely would have the angel or the athletics coming at one. Angels at two astros at three the rangers at four in the mariners. I five bucks. We'll have to see. I mean who knows. Mariners could actually wind up winning the division. Because it's that big of a toss up so that's my take on it but folks that's gonna do for this segment. Thanks again for sticking around. Stay right there. Because we'll be right back after this commercial break for the final segment today where i'll get into some of the new minor league affiliates and the new teams that are with mb teams that they weren't paired with before. Don't go anywhere everyone because we thought one last segment here on the gmc baseball podcast. One another later than docker that listened to the golden state media concept knocker podcast from m. l. at the world and the premier league we've got you covered the latest update the hottest matches and news on the league's top player at the good. They'd media concept locker. Podcast lifted off. Hey everyone and welcome back for the final segment here on. Gmc baseball podcast. Jack right now. We're still with you. And in the previous segment. I got into a prediction of the ao west and discussed which teams finishing wear out west. But i want to wrap up the show today. Getting into some new minor league affiliates share which farm system teams are new affiliates for certain mlb teams and things were restructured in the minors. For this off season it's a very very very different minor league system We can all agree on that one. I think i mean it's literally completely not completely different but it's pretty different. I would say. I mean there's a lot of new teams that are no longer you know with certain teams as affiliates. There's very different landscape. So i'll get into a couple of teams that were moved around kind of in the different ones in and where they are now. and what. The new affiliates are and whatnot. But if you look at some of them they're actually some teams that were actually added as affiliate that were not teams before they weren't with teams before they weren't even i don't think technically minor league teams so for example. The saint paul saints. They were added as a triple. A affiliate for the twins sugarland skaters aaa team for houston. So neither one of those teams had existed prior to this year and now that they are becoming affiliates for these teams and some teams. They've changed around in stayed the same. But they now have new affiliates so for example it. Take a kind of an example of the nashville sounds. They used to be with the rangers. But now they're with the brewers and then the san antonio missions they were with the brewers but now there with the padres so some of these teams are actually really gone from one team to another some teams have actually just flopped essentially otheir minor league systems and have just basically almost swapped them for the others. So for example. This is actually a pretty interesting one if you look at the yankees in the raise they basically just traded these teams raise had hudson valley renegades as a short season a you know a team but then now they're they're now with the yankees worth the yankees. They had the charleston river dogs but they are now with the with the raise low eighteen and the charleston river. Dogs they again they used to be with the yankees. Just like the hudson valley renegades used to be with the reason they pretty much just flop teams but there are also some teams that just changed their name and locations but they have stayed with the same affiliate so for example. The trenton thunder. They were in trenton new jersey. But now they're in bridgewater new jersey and they're called the somerset patriots. But they're still with the yankees. I saw something else. I believe a team in new jersey the now instead of called the blue crabs or the. I can't remember exactly the the team name. But they were now called the jersey shore blue crabs or something like that so some of these teams are completely changing. Names they're even teams. That stayed the same name the same location and affiliate but they actually and this is where. I'm going to get into a little bit of a rant. They changed the levels so the missions. Like i had mentioned earlier. They were a triple team. But are now a doubly team and the jacksonville jumbo shrimp or a double eighteen but are now triple eighteen. So what does that mean in. And kind of just general terms right. What does that mean not only for that team but those players right. I mean think about it. Let's say you were one of those guys that was on the the tr- the the double eighteen and now you're a triple eighteen. Well you're that much closer to being called up to the majors. But are you really that ready. Are you prepared enough to be ready to play at that at that and aaa level and then into the the major league level but then the other side of it is what. If you're one of those guys that was on the aaa team that turned into a double a. Team and you're basically just without anything that you're doing getting to motive essentially right. Where does the sense in that one. And so that's kind of what. I bring up this topic and what i kind of want to get into is how could that change. Essentially how some you know. Minor league players how some prospects are kind of viewed and how. They're kind of moved around throughout the entire minor league system. Because let's think about it right. Let's say that you had a really good season at aa and you've got moved up to aaa and so that's gonna give prosser scouts and teams. Almost i don't wanna says a false sense of perception of a you as a player. But it's not gonna be the full scale kind of story of you as a player because you've played at the aa level technically and the only reason why you're in the aaa level is because your team changed affiliates. Now i don't know if when they are doing these changes they're pretty much going to reassign teams as according you know. They're going to be completely reassigned. They're not necessarily going to be you know they're not gonna have the same exact Personnel whatever. I have no idea right. That's another thing in this. But we'll we'll the miners ever continued to try. And do this kind of flipping around this switching. My other thing is and and i didn't see any teams that made this big of a jump. But could you see a team. Going from a single a level all the way up to tripoli level right or aaa level to a single level and i can only imagine what would happen if you did this in the middle of the season. I mean. imagine the uproar. There would be if there was any sort of change of the levels in the middle of the season. I mean that would be problematic for. I think a lot of players especially if they went from being really high up to then being basically demoted. That would not be okay but then my other question is. How is this going to affect the miners moving forward and this is something that i actually came across the other day. I was thinking about it. While i was doing this research and i said to myself you know i mean i've got this interesting fascination with the minor leagues because it's such a fun side of sports such a lighthearted kind of just laid-back in of athletics and baseball in particular and i think that minor league baseball does something indirectly for major league baseball. I don't know what it does. But i think it allows people to say. Hey you know what even though baseball fruit for the people that might just be the general watchers right. They might say. Hey you know what. I'm not a huge baseball guy. But i love going. You know a big baseball fan. I'm going to just go to a minor. League game in the minor. League games are fun. It's you know watching action. You get a nice you know promotion night or whatever you get cheap food cheap drinks. Whatever you know fun night out at the ballpark with the kids with the family with friends. Whatever it might be right and so i think that as a result we have to kind of look at this as all right. What is this going to do in the grand scheme of things this is going to do for the entire landscape. And i think that eventually what's going to happen and i really don't want to see this happen but i could see this happening. If there's any sort of continuous budget cuts in continuous team cuts. Could we see a time where pretty much all minor league teams are nixed and then all of a sudden you've just got this massive. Mlb pipeline system that they build. And i think that's maybe what's going to eventually happen eventually out. Eventually there will be possibly phasing out of minor league teams Minor league affiliates in particular. And basically you know scouts are going to be able to just pick from a large pool of prospects. Say hey you're going to be in our mlb pipeline system and as a result you're going to be exposed to every single Scout in the entire. Mlb whatever it might be as a result there's no more minor league teams and it makes things a lot easier for scouts. Go and see teams. I i think that would do more harm than it would do. Good in my opinion. I think that that would do more detriment to the game because again minor league baseball does something for baseball. I think overall. I think it it. It allows baseball to be that fun kid activity that we all kind of. I mean i was talking to a friend the other day. It's like i mean if you took a percentage of the kids that played t ball growing up. It's probably astronomically high and i think that there's that same kind of mentality that same kind of feeling when you go to a minor league game. It's like you're going back to your childhood you know. It's kind of again this not so polished and glamorous kind of mlb lifestyle. It's these are just normal guys that you know that are probably having to work two jobs or something and they're now out there trying to make their way into the major leagues and so as a result it could make for a very interesting experience. You could be watching the next big thing. But if there's no minor league teams you. Don't get that effect anymore right. You don't have that anymore. So i think that at the end of the day minor league baseball is so essential. And i think you know i hope that this this changing of affiliates and there's rearranging there it's not some sort of part of a you know a grand plan or anything like that because let's face it right Baseball is not become the sport or has the popularity or the the viewership has not necessarily been astronomical like it is with football or other sports so i think that the mlb as a result is trying to do things to make it more enjoyable more watchable but at the same time. I wonder if that affects the true essence of what baseball is right. And one of the true things is having minor league baseball having these farm systems. I mean i was going through these lists right. And i was looking through all the different teams and i just was so blown away. With how many of these teams that were once minor league teams. They're no longer minor league teams. I mean for a perfect example The wolves. I don't know who they're with now. I believe they're the detroit tigers minor league team. I think there are a double a. Team if i'm not mistaken. But they used to be the pittsburgh pirates triple a. team so you don't even have them anymore so you know what could the the changing of these affiliates do also geographically for some of these scouts when they wanna go see these teams especially with this pandemic still going on. Can they can can that. Throw kind of a wrinkle into things with how scouts are going to see these teams for their affiliates. And maybe that's why they eventually move towards centralizing everything turning all into the mlb pipeline and making everything into the. We'll be pipeline. I have no idea. I mean again. This is just a big speculation. You know being a podcast or broadcaster journalist. Your job is to speculate. So i really don't know but all in all i kind of like how some of these were rearranged. Some of them are kind of interesting team. Names are interesting teams. And it's kind of interesting to see you know which teams used to be with what teams see how the missions were once with the brewers and you know the sound or now with the brewers and they used to be with the rangers. And how some teams like the raising yankee just pretty much flopped. Minor league teams essentially. They just traded one for another so definitely a lot of you know i think interesting aspects to this whole thing in this whole ordeal. I'm really excited to kind of see these new teams and these new affiliates and everything and i think that at the end of the day you know i mean i really just don't see how minor league baseball could be affected in the long run because it's just such an ingrained part of baseball and so i hope that this changing of things is not something larger than what we all think it is or is not part of something larger than what we think it is because again that would be really sad. I mean think. About all of these. I actually i was talking to a. I know a couple of minor league players and i was talking to one of them and he made i asked him about the kind of the. The major league pipeline. What he feels about it and he said you know it would probably be a beneficial thing in the long run but at the end of the day he said he could also be detrimental. Because it's going to drastically reduce the amount of exposure that some players are going to have and also reduce the amount of players that could have the possibility of having exposure right. So that's going to be a big thing to just how that's going to be affected in the long run and whatnot and you know what that's going to entail and what's that going to turn into because i mean i just personally just i don't know i just don't want to see a day where minor league baseball goes away. I think finally baseball should be here to stay. And as a result you know. I think that these just rearranging it might just be a kind of our reforming you know reorganization or reorganizing of the entire farm system. And i think that you know honestly maybe the players maybe the teams maybe fans. Maybe everybody will be happy that there are fewer minor league teams. Because let's face it. There were a little bit of a couple of teams where they didn't need to be part of a minor league affiliate. I mean some of these teams. They had seven or eight different affiliates. And it's like well. Why do you have that many now. Do i think that don't having only four is good. Yeah i think four maybe five would be all right but once you get to six or seven. It's like okay. This is a little bit of guilt but at the end of the day and to kind of put a little bow on top of this. I think it's very interesting to see. Kind of the different new alignment and the new affiliates. That are here and there and everywhere but more importantly. I think that we need to also just keep in mind that no matter what you know these guys. Even though they're getting real line there might be something that is changed about their team. Whatever they still can play at a very high level and that they are still very very talented baseball players. And i hope that the the the especially the changing and kind of the reorganizing of the the level. These teams are in terms of going from aa to aaa. I hope that doesn't affect any player stock because if that did that would probably be the saddest thing of it. All right that something that was completely out of their control had a huge impact on their performance and how they were scouted as a player so all in all. I think it's very interesting. I just wanted to kind of bring it on the show and discuss it and kind of leave it in the open air for anybody to discuss but folks. I think that's going to wrap it up for us here today as always thank you so much for listening to the gmc baseball. Podcast brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I would like to ask that you again. Please remember to subscribe the show and write a nicer view. That really helps us. Also if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. We also appreciate that and it's always everyone. Thank you so much for joining today and until next time. Have a wonderful evening. You've been listening to the golden state media context baseball. 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9-29-20 - Mo Egger With Sam Lecure

Mo Egger

15:34 min | 10 months ago

9-29-20 - Mo Egger With Sam Lecure

"What's it like to drive the Volvo xc ninety plug in hybrid. The, thrill of four hundred horsepower t eight twin engine. The joy of impromptu. Road tramps. And Serenity. Of Electric Power Impure. Eco. Mode. Visit DMV oval retailer today to experience the XY ninety recharge plug in hybrid, for yourself. I here we go late to start the our nonetheless I'm happy we have SAM leakier here Sam as part of the Fox Sports Ohio reds playoff coverage that airs after every reds postseason game. We had you on the show last Tuesday we said we were going to bring you back. If the reds were playing, they are still lying but I wanna go back even before last Tuesday take me back. Eight, nine days. Prior the reds are in Saint Louis, they're winding up a series against the cardinals they won that game despite losing in the middle innings five to three, they sweep the pirates if I would have said to you two weeks ago. This team is going to dart through these last two weeks and get to get to the post season with a head of steam. You would have said what? seemed. Unlikely I'll tell you that much time either just. Because the whole season they find the same way. You know there had never felt like there was any kind of an adjustment made and to be honest with you it's still really doesn't what I'll say that a lot of times. They were losing series. They were never doing the same thing starting pitching was great. But they weren't going to run there in the home runs they were solo home runs the bullpens you know around the trade deadline is really turned it on in the last month, but this team but I wouldn't have felt optimistic about it. That's for sure. Let's let's start with the bullpen, and then we'll talk about Trevor Bauer and Sunny Gray who you and I did not talk about last week early in the season it just kind of felt to me like everybody was having a having a hard time settling into their role and. Over the last five, six, seven weeks even really before this team took off it's Sorta felt like David Bell did a pretty good job of establishing what everybody was. Everybody's role was going to be. They got archie. Bradley, and over the last month, maybe even month and a half the guys in the pen have been pitching much much better. Walk me through what's taken this bullpen from a liability early in the season to what I think heading into the playoffs is going to be a strength. Well I'M GONNA point the two key guys for this whole thank and I know it didn't seem like it was part of the issue but was Michael Ransom senator trying to force them into that eighth inning role where he was struggling they allowed US enough some different situations and he really took off in a different role. Now, obviously eating up some meetings two-three any time and then got a couple of star where he was really good now to make up for his after that role I. Lucas Adams is really being kind of the linchpin this whole thing and being able to allow school to do what it was meant to do because here garrison. Good all year sprite sound glazes. Struggle here or there but but overall, he's been really good. I. Give Luke Attempt to kind of credit for kind of allowing guys the slot into different roles into the roles that they needed to be in and then once they got Bradley obviously that's another huge pc came over to feel like if you can get to him if you're really good about your chance, obviously have a kiss. Town we learnt recently he's had a little bit of a back issue that scares me a little bit to be honest with you with a guy who has grown almost two weeks I just I don it could have been a post season game I I don't feel great about that. I really wish you would've got a better to on the last game of the season but. You know that is what it is and he's been there. He's been around. So I trust in him but I deal. So I would I would point to that man really stopped trying to force guys in the roles they're not succeeding in and Lucas sounds really being a guy that I think chase a whole collection of the bullpens stepping really being forced the back in I said on on Thursday the day after. I Wash Trevor Bauer kgo eight, inning strikeout twelve give up just foreheads they win the game he did it on three days rest he backed up his long stated claimed he's actually better on three days rest I said on Thursday that regardless of how things panned out over the weekend, I would never forget that I would never forget that outing that was one of the best pitched games by a by a red starting pitcher. Years as a former pitcher as somebody who can can walk me through what he does. Critically give me an idea of what it's like to watch trevor and what exactly it is. That makes him so good. I think he just digs everything in a different way than I think everybody's accustomed to. So it's hard to follow along myself included. But what's I? You know dive into what he's doing and the terminology that he's using it I can dumb it down to where I can understand it. I mean it's complicating, but he's really simple pine job get her talk about getting strike one that's so key for him this. Agai. Last year he was among the League leaders in all of baseball and walks. So with stuff that he has to, he can get the strike one. then. He can expand this that doesn't have throat a ton of strikes after that but he's so locked in mechanically with the snub that right now is just allowing the game the pitch prior to dictate how he goes along. He's got a plan for everybody even as long as he's executing it, it's getting tried one so. With the basketball he's already got an idea of what he wants US next, it's to be based on the execution of that pitch. So this using the previous pitch set up the event be can execute that. I. Pitched. Then the timing he can really do anything he wants because he got so many weapons based on. So many strikes this year with above average across the board above average stuff. So I think for for air. And the strike zone and he said that. The other day, it's about for him. It's about got beating himself has guys are going to have trouble beating him by stringing together. They're gonNA have to hit all run off of He's done a good job without this shot that he's given up several but they've been so because he's not walking God put yourself in that situation. So as long as trevor continues to throw strikes, I think one of the key things for him it's gotta be. Handling Right, handed bat because they haven't explosive lineup. Freddy. Freeman probably MVP in front runner, he doesn't even have the best extended team that lost the Marceau's Oona. But you talk about Ronald Junior Junior John. I'm sitting here thinking about who do you not want to let let you here. For him Freddie Freeman, you're gonNA, get his and he's From Freddie at the better back up around facing the right the debtor but trevor is really going to have to handle those right handed bats and not beat himself by letting them dictate the action. So that'll be key I'm watching for tomorrow is how he handles the right handed batters and when Freddy Freeman and Ozzy Allergies. So left-handers that they have come up, there's not a lot of. Traffic on the basis since you and I last talked sunny gray has come off the injured list and he's made two starts I thought the start against Milwaukee was really encouraging and there was some good and bad on Sunday against against Minnesota who if Sonny's even going to be needed on Friday. But what did you see from sunny in those to start since he's come off the injured list? While, the first outing I was much more encouraged by it was kind of surprised for him to go out there. It'd be a sharp as he was commander. was there you know? You talk about guys you know struggling to find the. Find the field breaking ball. It's kind of opposite for sunny. I feel like he's always had such great commanded that breaking ball that's kind of his number one pitch you know you. Figure most guys put down one for fastball because number one pits. He's got great fastball but let's be honest. Breaking is Kinda him So the fact that he was able to go out there and have command of those pitches right away was really encouraging. The breaking. Aw, they were both get. There's plenty of ZIP on the fastball. The breaking ball is still tight. I think what he did against Minnesota was he didn't lamb that breaking off or strike as much. So he wasn't getting the chases that he normally gets on his breaking ball but I think for him, that's just a good solid mid. Bullpen and he's Kinda right back to where he was I i. don't think he was very far off. It was good to see him out there did his workload in kind of bumped the fish up a little bit and come out and feeling healthy. So Sonny's fishing huge huge wild card games against Justin verlander by the Oakland athletics. Some really big games was acer that staff for for years over there. so He's been there. This is not going to be anything new for him, and this guy's such a competitor man I just find it really hard. To Bet against him. So if needed, I have a lot of confidence and sunny and I know everybody in the reds both houses you brought up before from from reds perspective it's it's hard to pick the one guy net Atlanta lineup that you don't want to beat you from from an Atlanta perspective here if you're Brian Snicker as you get set to manage these next two or three games, who is the guy in the reds batting order that right now, the way this team collectively is swinging the bat right now you're trying to ensure doesn't beat you. I think you got a point, a Gino especially for game one you know they're throwing out the left handed starter the reds have done well against left-hand starting pitching this year. I don't think they faced a guy like, Max free he's been really good. He's GonNa get cy young votes So for me, it's going to be Gino He hasn't really strong to September. Was Nine, nine, hundred, fifty or something like that So he was really strong and you know he's the guy you look doing the lineup. As kind of asks he goes and he's driving around you know the reds go a little bit but shogo had a really good September. my dacas ended up. It's about really well, it gets both right and left handed pitching so. There's there are a number of guys that have the track record you know, but the track record didn't show itself over the regular season. So if I'm going in there with the guys, they have getting face in front of Gino that being shogo and Joey. Had A career low and I'll base percentage about for AAA. Man was still pretty darn good I have to point out you and I've talked about this before before i. Let you go you and I've talked about this before there aren't many great recent reds, postseason memories but you are in the middle of one of them, which would be game one in two, thousand, twelve, the I man out of the pen. Hopefully, there's nothing like that this week or anytime beyond. But the I man out of the Pentagon San Francisco when when Johnny. Cueto Pulls up with an injury and you come in you got to win. You got to win that game and any two-thirds Hopefully, no reds reliever longman starter who's being relegated to bullpen duty is in a situation like that. But take me back eight years ago. That moment what it's like to ensure you're ready to go at the moment's notice when. It kind of felt disastrous when Johnny Cueto was coming off the mound. What is a reds reliever have to have in the back of their mind in case of something like that starting tomorrow. Well I. think that's honestly I. think that's one of the strengths of this itching staff right now is that if somebody goes down, you've got Tyler Molly and you've got TJ Antone and Wade Miley you can come out of there and give you some innings and quality innings at that so. Another thing with some of the flocks of the bullpen earlier in the year, guys not really having established roles. I think they've. Been Playing playoff baseball the past two weeks I. Think it's prepared them for this and a big way because I don't think anybody really knew when that we're gonNA pitch so I think everybody I? mean. You saw Archie Bradley the fourth inning earlier this year you saw you know t j Antone, the different spots, Wade miley finishing games you know different things like that. So I think the next man. That mentality and that will be ready for anything because they were both shown that he's not going to be scared to pull the trigger to manage each of these games. The past couple of weeks like they were must wins because they were. So I think the fact that the baseball the reds applied the last two and three weeks I think really plays into their hands going into next because you're. Pretty. Comfortable. Hand on on the East division for for a while. Now I mean, it was not that they crash two weeks early. They had a pretty good idea that they were going to be the team in that division and so they maybe. Roles a little kind of backed off the gas a little bit, but it's hard to turn it on this game and the rest of on for three weeks now. So there I think they just kind of stay the course man to honest with you they don't have to change anything about their approach because their approaches. Then we have to win games and we have to win series and that's the same thing that's going to happen tomorrow. So. I think they're really good position. Joey. Senate pretty well. When he said that the nightmare of course, he was talking about their starting rotation and then all the sudden really locked down bullpen but. Max Reason Atlanta braves fishing. Stab is going over this lineup and they're looking at names I. You recognize the name on the back of the Jersey and you don't let down you know Christian Yelich twelve every time he steps in the box you're very aware of what he's capable of doing in the reds out a lot of guys trackers like I said, they can burn you at any time so you can't take a break with this red line up even though as as. A group they really you know that Abani I was able to have the lowest batting average and fifty some years that made the playoffs. So but those guys can still burn you in Atlanta has to be aware of that and and you can't take any breaks in the playoffs period. So I like their chances I am a little scared this rent excuse me the the brains lineup 'cause they're dynamic and they're really long and they've performed up to their capability. So. The reds are gonNA need to score for run Can they do that? That's going to be the that's GonNa be the. Base score four runs or more twice. I. Think they win the series if not, it's going to be tough. I hope to bother you often over the next couple of weeks by the way there are people who don't realize your postseason ledger for the reds is almost immaculate. So if there's anybody who gets Four four outings five, five innings didn't give up. Iran I. Think hitters went three for nineteen against people don't realize that you're like money in the postseason. So I hope that carries over to TV. I. Meet Somebody I. Hope Not. Get called out in the first innings too much. But now you'll be able to tune in. We're GONNA do the post-game like you said we're trying to get them social media stuff out there tweet a couple of things Brian and saw Jim Day Christmas we're all going to be involved with the post game a little bit more a longer post game with some breakdowns. And things like that, we're not going to be able to do the free game shows. We'll be out there if you look for us to get a lot bit information and Y-, join us after the game and hopefully it will be talking about a reds win home. So Sam, appreciate it man thank you as always. On sand the care part of the postseason coverage on Fox Sports Ohio. We're GONNA talk baseball gambling in the post season with our Buddies Sean Zarella from the Action Network. He joins US NEXT ON ESPN fifteen. Let's it like to drive the Volvo xc ninety plug in hybrid. The thrill of four hundred horsepower t eight twin engine. The joy of impromptu wrote trump's. And the. Serenity. Of Electric power in your ECO mode. Visit a DMV evil retailer today to experience the. Ninety recharge plug in hybrid for yourself.

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1/15/21 - The Mo Egger Show

Mo Egger

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1/15/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"The espn cincinnati. Bengals ploy here buddy. And what's up. My name's mulligan. This is espn fifteen thirty hot. Hi everybody hi. Hey i I think today just sitting in this room. I've experienced all four seasons this morning brainstorm. Then it was sunny and beautiful then. I wanted snow for about forty five minutes and now it looks like your typical sort of sri winter. Then like all four seasons in one. You're listening to this show to hear me. Talk about the what We're done early by the way an ku tonight playing up tip off at six free games gonna start at five thirty with jim. Kelch rip roaring. We are looking forward to that papa. John's weekend tip off will launch into the college hoops weekend which is not going to include either. Uc or xavier the bearcats game against to lane has been moved to late. february the musketeers. Were supposed to get their return game against seton hall. They lost to on the second to last day of two thousand twenty. That game. now. Not gonna happen because of covid nineteen issues and we're gonna spend some time on both teams a little bit later on and the reds have been busy today. Reds have been busy reaching deals reaching agreements with guys who are arbitration eligible. Which fine but then there was a signing last night that really just in terms of the team's overall approach to building a team to ideally win the world series. This year really leaves me scratching my head and sort of based on that. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make a little bit of an admission. Acknowledge something that is impacting. My show i feel it. Impacting what we do. And that's not a bad thing either. So we'll do that coming up in just one hour. This kind of relates to that. Urban meyer is now the coach of the jacksonville. Jaguars can i ask a question. Why couldn't he be the coach of the bengals. I know the obvious answer is walmart. Go to the jaguars and other answer as well. They have a coach. And there's a lot of different answers to it. But i'm still going to ask it anyway. Why why. why couldn't he be the coach of the bengals. Why was that. Never a thing now. I'm going to get a lot of answers in return. I cost too much money. Jacksonville's gonna pam like twelve million dollars. A year he wants to much controlled the owner the jaguars and said this is going to be very coach. centric organization. And maybe the bengals don't want to do that. And maybe urban wouldn't have wanted to come work for mike brown which fine i get all that but again why why not. I've said oftentimes about the process. That led the bengals to hire. Zac taylor my my issue was never and still. Isn't with zac taylor. I am as skeptical as any that. He's the guy. But i'm also not irresponsible and so i will acknowledge all of the forces that have conspired against him since becoming the head coach of of the cincinnati. Bengals my issue from the get go was it just felt like an extraordinarily limited in scope. Search where they aim to hire a type of coach in mind instead of the best person for the gig where the most qualified person for the big time may prove that the bengals got it right but shouldn't any comprehensive search include somebody who's got enormous qualifications who's got area ties. And who has recently acknowledged to the point that he just took the job of the jacksonville jaguars head coach. He's acknowledged some degree of interest in the national football league. Your coaching search. Your first. by the way in sixteen years had no room for urban meyer. Now let's get this part out of the way. I in fact. I just saw tweet that listed all of the first time. Nfl head coaches who were hired directly at college since two thousand only three of them have winning records. Jim harbaugh clearly the most successful he had a fabulous run in san francisco chip. Kelly did have a winning record in the nfl and his first head. Coaching gig is second was a disaster. And bill o'brien in the nfl. As much of a punch line as he became one fifty two percent of his games as the head coach of the texas of the houston. Texans after taking that job from penn state so the history and the odds are stacked against urban meyer having any success but if we were to just sit down let's just two years ago. We were to sit down. And let's just say we have no preconceived criteria in mind right. We're going to be open minded as open minded as we possibly can and we're gonna we're gonna just spit ball candidates. Let's say it's me. You and a handful of other people in the room. And i got a big whiteboard right. We're just. We're just spitballing ideas here. And that's to me. Some of the best meetings and creative sessions. I've ever been in. Have involved that just throwing out ideas and independent of whether or not. They've worked here before independent of whether or not they've been an nfl head coach before independent of whether or not. They're an offensive or defensive guy old from college from the canadian football league just forget just names great football minds with some track record if we were doing that two years ago. Independent of what. What kind of money they would be looking for if we were doing that. Two years ago. Just throwing ideas out there to be the next head coach of the cincinnati bengals. No one's going to mention urban. Meyer's name i mean maybe you don't like urban meyer. That's fine maybe haberman meyer. That's fine too. Maybe he think he's gonna fall flat on his face and jacksonville and maybe that happens in. That's fine as well. But but if we were just spitballing ideas thrown them out there people who have qualifications and folks who have really good football mines. How long is it going to be before somebody throws out the name urban minor. I would think it's not going to be that long. My issue is that the bengals probably never even did that. It's not like they just interviewed taylor. They interviewed eight. They obviously gave a sort of cursory courtesy interview. I should say to hugh jackson and darren. Simmons was talked to handful of others. Eric be enemy was part of the process. But man i just. It seemed to you like they exhausted. Every option did seem to you like they just spit ball threat. They're a bunch of ideas. And i just know and at some point that's going to have to change and frankly i would say the exact same thing about the reds at some point that has the change keep in mind. Urban meyer just went to be the head coach of the jacksonville. Jaguars i get it. They have a ton of cap space again. They've got a ton of picks. I get it. They have the number one overall pick. I get an everybody thinks. Trevor lawrence is going to be a can't miss stud in the nfl. Let's the jacksonville jaguars. it's like. The quintessential stick them on thursday. Night football team. That you're really not that interested in watching. This is a club that made the afc championship game. Just a couple of years ago and still relatively anonymously got an owner who has talked openly about playing more games and in england in the uk because of lack of interest in his team's home market. I've got some of the scummy is looking uniforms. Ever the relatively anonymous very low national profile shaky track record with the owner. Not exactly one of the marquis franchises figure free agents are trying to flock to. He just took over that team. He took over that team in a part of the country that he obviously has ties to the cincinnati. Bengals that much different than the jacksonville. Jaguars in a part of the country that urban meyer has ties to this is this is not me. Just wanting to whack away. Zac taylor. Zack is the head. Coach of the bengals otis great next year. My sincere hope as bengals fan. Is the zac. Taylor has a statue of him. Built outside paul brown stadium. One day that would require the bengals to do such things which they don't but point being hope he has a great amount of success. And i'm going to be open minded about zac taylor i really will be. It has everything to do with the process. And the thing is you and i both know that. For whatever reason money control or perhaps most unforgivably them really not having any idea whether or not he would be interested. Would it surprise you to find out that the the people who run the cincinnati bengals don't have very deep in debt relationship with a guy who's one of the most successful college coaches in the history of the sport who his most recent job before the one he took today was about an hour and forty five minutes away from where paul brown stadium is just the process for me has to change whether it comes to free agency and their credit last year. It did when it comes to free agency instead of talking about the lower tier guys. Let's let's throw out the best and most qualified and in their prime guys out there to help you know on the offensive line other positions and it just feels like with this team instead of talking about every possible candidate and why would make sense and sometimes maybe even why would not make sense. Were crossing off candidates before anybody throws them up on the whiteboard. I just maybe they called and maybe he turned him down. I i tend to based on what i know about this franchise. I tend to doubt it and that to me has to change. I say all the time. Go on a search for the best in the world at what they do. And that's a mean that you can't have a hidden gem. It doesn't mean that you end up with a guy like zac taylor. Or sean mcveigh or somebody who nobody's heard of. There's there's all sorts of coaches like that who have had success. But you mean to tell me you had your first coaching search and sixteen years. A guy who's got area ties who's now shown a huge interest huge enough interest in coaching in the nfl. It never occurred to anybody. Let's just call them and see if he would be interested. Let's just see if you'd wanna interview. Let's just gauge interesting coming into retirement. Let's see if this is a job that he would want. Let's see what is asking price would be. The problem is back then two years ago when the bengals had coaching search. And we were doing the whole thing about. Who are they gonna hire. What are they going to hire them. Who the hell zac taylor. So you're going to be any good. Who's going to be on his staff. If somebody during that time with a thrown out the name urban meyer it would have been met with derision. it would've been met with snickers it would have been met with. You know cute little pats on the head. Oh you think they're gonna hire urban. Meyer actually yeah. I'd like for this franchise to change. Its course to the degree where something like that is. Not viewed as a far fetched idea. If it's not far fetched for the jacksonville jaguars. Why should it be farfetched for the cincinnati bengals. Seventeen after three my phone number. We are wide open today. You are welcome to chime in. I'll ask the question. Why couldn't the bengals urban meyer. Five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six. I have a lot more on this. That i wanna get to between now and five thirty k. You hoops at five thirty by the way. Speaking of football coaches another one that we've talked about before has sent an interesting tweet. I'll read the tweet. We'll talk about who that is and what they may want coming up in just about eighteen minutes but first a former red landed on his feet. Last night i have more questions questions about a transaction. The reds made this off season which. I'm sorry simply doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you can help next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Go twenty three hundred three. This is espn fifteen. Thirty mullet reds have agreed to terms with a bunch of guys who are arbitration eligible. Run down a whole list. Coming up in ten minutes among the players signed to do deals arbitration deals for lack of a better way of putting it Rg bradley's not on that list. Because he signed a one year contract with the philadelphia phillies for about six million dollars urge. You might recall was a deadline pickup of the reds last year to bolster bullpen. That early in the season was a liability. And by the end of the season i thought became a strength and it was okay so so they. They traded josh van meter and steward fairchild for archie bradley who came to cincinnati and pitched fine. He only got into six games. Pitched seven and two thirds innings. Gave up run. It kind of felt like he was a a forgotten man. Once he came here and You know he took the loss in the thirteen inning game which is not something that should matter and it never should have gone to the thirteenth inning because the red should have scored a run archie. Equality big league relief. Pitcher the philadelphia phillies just signed for one year and six million dollars now last season archie made four point one mill without really doing a deep dive into the weeds of arbitration figures. Because god knows that's boring guessing. The the two thousand and twenty one salary arbitration would have been somewhere around six million bucks maybe slightly less. Ab slightly more probably would have been for four point one mil let me. Just help me with this okay. So they non tendered him making him a free agent non tendering him is is basically. We're not giving you a contract though. See we're not paying you money arbitration. We're going to arbitration so. Go get what you can get elsewhere and archie did good for him. This is the part that i need help with. Though there's there's three things you could have done with this. I guess there's four things you could have done with this guy. By the way we're we're talking about eight twenty eight year old kind of right in the heart of the prime of his career who's had multiple really good seasons skies gotta track record. Would he have been the reds best reliever last year. Even without rice glaze use probably not but could have helped. Yeah twenty eight year old relief pitcher coming off a very good season. I think he would help. So there's there's four different things. The reds could've done. They could have gone ahead and basically bought out the last arbitration to your and given him a multi year contract. I can certainly understand their reluctance to do something like that. Let's let's pay this year. See how he does and then figure out a way to replace them. We're not going to lock into a long term deal with relief pitcher so if they would have done it that would have been fine but not doing it okay. They could have done that. They could adjust agreed to terms right gone arbitration or more likely avoided arbitration just agreed to terms his last year before free agency and pay him something in the range of five and a half six million bucks. They could have done that they chose not to. They could have done those things and then traded him. They could've included him in a deal that could afflict him for an asset. They could've they could've traded archie bradley. You could you could do that. You can do that with players under team control. You could sign a guide to a deal and then trade him. The reds obviously chose not to do that or the fourth thing they could do is what they did do was just. Let him go away. They got nothing in return for him. He's not going to pitch for them. Can you explain that to me. Five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six. I need help with that. He you have a guy we're not talking about some washed up dude. We're not talking about somebody who's never had any success. You could have kept him on your team this year and had him be a part of what you hope is pushed to the postseason and beyond or you could have gotten rid of him but gotten something for him. By the way you did trade something of value stewart fairchild is a guy who some services ranked as a top fifteen prospect in the reds organization and josh van meter. Just get the guy. They did give up something they let him go for nothing all the while. They're going to try to win the division this year. trying to get back to the postseason. Do i think their fate hinges on archie bradley necessarily know but he is the kind of guy you would think the reds would be in the market right in his prime twenty eight years old. You don't have to make a hefty long term commitment. He's coming off good season. He's had multiple. good seasons. Is a guys high-end arm somebody who was thought so much of back in two thousand eleven that he was taken seventh overall said a good career as a relief pitcher and pitching for you. Last season pitched pretty credibly facts. Better than credibly. You're trying to win the division this year. Trying to go to the world series. Obviously we've seen how a good bullpen can help. We've seen how a bad bullpen can be a huge liability. We've also seen them double down on letting archie bradley getaway by trading away right. Selig lacey's keeping archie. Bradley to me is not the reason. Why move on from riceville. Lacy is but it softens the blow and instead they let him get away and they got nothing for him and it's not like to do just signed somewhere else to the tune of a dollar figure that as well so far beyond the realm of possibility for the reds that you can't even comprehend it. I don't i don't get it. I mean i ll legitimately. I've asked people who are far smarter than me which is frankly most of the human population. But i i've asked people really close to. The sport are juiston what what happened here. What am i missing beyond. Well cost cutting. There's no answer. Now if cost cuttings the answer. What are we doing here. I can certainly understand. Cost cutting. I get the concept especially when you're not competitive. Yesterday we saw vegas released. Its odds for the upcoming baseball season. The reds favored by some books to win the nfl central people think they have shot chance to be pretty good. Okay fill in the blanks. Fill in the holes on your team reds going gonna be looking for relief pitchers all the while they let a good one get away and they got nothing for him. That is mismanagement defined. I don't i know what other way to put it and this. Isn't you know beating up in the low hanging fruit of the reds. Not doing anything. This offseason which. I've talked about death over the last couple of weeks this is just purely from a transactional standpoint. Something that to me doesn't make any sense. And if you're okay with it then you you can't really complain this coming season if the bullpens not very good. You can't do that here. You had a guy who was reasonably affordable going to be about six million dollars that you let walk away for nothing. The bullpen stinks. Because they got a guy. Who's not as good as archie bradley filling archie bradley's role if you're okay with what they've done with him then can't lose your mind over the bullpen which is without to pretty good pitcher from last year right. Sound like lacy is for the most part was really good and pitching multiple teams last year so as archie bradley mcglesias. You at least got something in exchange for knowing ramirez. There's a person in acid a body. Somebody who can help for archie bradley. They got nothing and it would have been one thing. Had you seen him. Sign a deal that economically. Just absurd if six million dollars for a quality relief pitcher. Who's in his prime in an off season in which you have done nothing else but cut costs if that's if that's what you're doing if you can't give him six million bucks when you're trying to extensively win the world series. I gotta be honest with you. I don't know what they're doing. That makes zero sense to me zero beyond just all right. Well they're they're gonna shed payroll to the degree that it's going to negatively impact the team. I don't know how you expect to get excited about that. Because that's what they've done here they've shed payroll in a way that has definitively negatively affected the team. Maybe i'll change my tune if they actually do something between now and the beginning of spring training but in a vacuum. This particular decision doesn't make one lick of sense and ordinarily. I wouldn't be spending a lot of time talking about one relief pitcher but put in the context of this off season. Who'll talk to explain and even even worse. It's hard to digest if your reds fan twenty-eight away from four or five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six There's a phone call. That i would make tell you what it is after sports headlines next. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Some data service kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life coulda kelsey shove dot com at the day in which the reds are reaching deals with guys were arbitration eligible knowing ramirez was acquired in the right side of glitziest. Deal gets a one year one point. One seven five mil. Michael lorenzen one year. Four point four. Three seven mill. Jesse winker one year three point. One five mil amir gear at one point. Five mill over one season tyler molly. One year two point two mil. These are being reported all over the place. I've seen fan sided. I've seen bobby nightingale from the enquirer. My apologies if i've missed anybody. Nonetheless reds getting those deals done Meanwhile in the nfl former ohio state head coach urban meyer has been formally introduced as the head coach of the jacksonville. Jaguars college basketball tonight n. k. u. I have back to back games against i. U p you. Why a team. That played as five times. This season tip off at six this evening on. Espn fifteen thirty tomorrow. The states illinois. Kentucky's at auburn. Chance to watch sharieff. Cooper the freshman. Who for some reason. The instable i made out until auburn's to most recent games. He is scored twenty six and twenty eight in those two games. Miami and western michigan hookup. Tomorrow dayton's at george washington on sunday. The games between uc and two lane and xavier and seton hall scheduled for tomorrow have been postponed. The to land game will be made up in late february. the game against seton hall for the musketeers. No makeup date has been announced the game after losing last night to purdue their tilt on sunday against michigan state has been banged as well louisville miami tomorrow right stayed in cleveland state tonight as well. I think that would be it for your your local sports. I think that's that's a wade phillips set on twitter. He wants to come out of retirement. I get it you told you in a room. Oh you're coming back. I understand wade phillips. Probably doesn't wanna work beneath a room but he wants something to do. He's had a lot of success as defensive coordinator. A lot of success in the nfl was not that long ago named the best assistant coach in the nfl was coaching just a couple of years ago. If the la rams super bowl don't ask wade phillips of what exactly he's looking at doing what he's interested in and hey maybe maybe we'll have a job for you but we have some other again like just be open minded of these things. I got like a small acknowledgement about myself That i'm gonna make a coming up at four zero five and it has to do with frankly the way i view our sports teams and i'll spend a few minutes on that after the top of the hour. Let's see five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six dominic you're on. Espn fifteen thirty. How are you how are you. i'm wonderful i would. I can't rationalize what the rather doing so i. I can't help you with that. But this person helped me understand between now and five thirty. I'll be happy. I would some up this offseason. So far with a three letter acronym that starts with a w. and a t but it's so mind boggling w can be who or what because when you get a catcher. I've never knew existed. That's almost as old as i am. And i'm almost forty. Yeah and it's just like all right all right where we're going. I mean we can't even we can't even fire sale. Like the marlins and be good. But i don't know. But my one thing that i would like to see is i know. You've talked about restructuring deal and my thought or idea would give him a bobby baena contract where he drops his pay but gets like two or three million a year to twenty seventy and then that way. At least when we're you know mediocre and a terrible division once a year. Espn talk about us. 'cause we got the joey votto coming. Annualized talk. I don't to be more but i don't i don't know the joy vodka's going to be around in twenty seventy let that would make him. What nine eighty seven years old That's that'd be july first. Every year with the reds are in the news paying. Joey both right and i'd like to see that there's a lot of people who would dominic. Thanks for the phone. Call here. I hear this often much joy because the reds right the bottom line here i know i'm asking because i generally don't understand what they did and i'm not this is not a put on. I legitimately do not understand what they did with archie bradley. Like it just doesn't make any sense. But i know what the root of this off season in the reds are far from the only team that you could say this about the root of all this is. They lost money last year. They're now cutting costs like y. I get it. I don't like it. I'm not even really totally sure. It's the right thing to do but fine. They lost money a lot of businesses. Who lose money. That's what has to happen. He cut 'cause it's happening all around the country. Unfortunately it is interesting though. I get this occasionally. And i think this is what dominance referring to because i have never advocated addict. Joey votto should do is give back some of his money. Or he should offer to restructure his deal. Who's worth more. Joey vodkas worth an obscene amount of money. That you and i will never be able to wrap our brains around joey votto worth more money than bob castellini. On what planet. Should joey votto have to give bob castellini alone. I mean if the dominic was talking about it. I this has been brought up in this show a couple of different times. What you know what you gotta do is either a offer to take a pay cut like no no he. Shouldn't i wouldn. Frankly neither would anybody else or they should. What they should do is come the joey and say. Hey we we owe you seventy five mil over three years. How what we do is we pay you a hundred million dollars but we spread the payments over a long amount of time. Now you know depending on interest and whatever. Maybe we'll do that. Maybe i would do that. But this idea that joey votto should give bob castellini alone so he can make his team. Better is ridiculous. As far as i'm concerned and i know we resent the ball player who has a lot of money in the bank more than we resent the owner who has a lot of money in the bank. And i resent neither neither on everybody to get whatever they can but there is a school of thought out there that says you joey should do is is offered to take a pay cut. No he shouldn't he no he should not just like he should never say. Hey you should pay me more right. Joe had an mvp season in two thousand twenty one. Which i think is not going to happen but if you to have an mvp season in two thousand twenty one and then come to the reds and go you know what i got two years left but i want to make more money. You wouldn't like that. I wouldn't like that and the reds would probably understandably so tell joey votto pound san. Here's the deal you sign. Take it you know. Do what you gotta do if you don't like it. Don't play for us anymore. But we're not paying you anymore. But there's this happens. Sometimes when a team is cutting and i know there are athletes especially in salary cap sports that have restructured their contracts to make it easier to sign guys. Tom brady famously has done this in new england. He's not doing anymore because he's not in new england. He's actually on a good team so but this has happened in the nfl. It's happened in the nba salary cap sports. Baseball's not a salary cap sport and so because of that the idea that the employee should give the employer alone is asinine but i will hear it from folks just about one time a week. Quarter to four five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven two three seven. Seven six ammo agra thirty s. How you can tweet me mo at espn fifteen thirty dot. Com is my email address. We have a fax. I'd give you the facts number. I knew it. I started the show by talking about urban meyer. A lot of people wondering about the the adjustments. How's he gonna make the the the adjustment from college football to the nfl. Well i don't know but he answered it and so you'll hear the answer to that question next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station the got caught and then he signed with the phillies and the reds could've traded archie bradley or and kept him on the team instead he's with the phillies in the reds mantha forum and making sense. Nobody can explain it to me People know urban. Meyer is now the head coach of the jacksonville jaguars. And so that's happening. He's gonna make twelve million dollars a year. He's going to aid in the search for a general manager. They're going to be coach centric. They have the number one pick in the draft. They have you know. Roughly eighty million dollars in pays a bunch of draft choices. And i think division that is easy to navigate comparatively speaking. So we'll see if it works. And i've said about this situation the same thing. I often say in sports. I root for interesting and urban meyer. Coaching in the nfl is interesting. I have no clue. If it's gonna work history is not on his side. There are college. Head coaches word has worked out. There's also by the way an endless list of traditional. Nfl hires who haven't worked out coordinators. Right that sort of thing but Look clearly coaching. Professional football is different than coaching college. Football you're dealing with adults here also dealing with you know kids or adults for whom this is a job and it's as much as we professionalize college football. It's not a job for the college kids. And there's a cba and there's a salary there's lots of different things that make it different and obviously stylistically some offenses that work in college. Football tend to not work in professional football. Even though there's more crossover and trickled down trickle up. I guess than than ever before so but a lot of people wondering. How's it going to make the adjustment to coaching in college for years and years and years and having an incredible amount of success. How is he going to adjust to coaching in professional football. Here's urban meyer answering that question. Well at florida. From florida ohio state. I changed dramatically. You know like a lot of former players from bowling green to utah me that the times are changing college. Football is different mike. You know i mean. It's days of coaching the way you did back when i was bowling green or when i was assistant coach i mean the whole country's change. Everything's changed and so you have to adapt and those who adapt have success those who don't fail and certainly have my failures along the journey but for the most part i can't wait. That's the part of the game that i love is to build adapt to the nfl player. And we've had no shortage of them the last twelve years or wherever it's been but it is you're talking about grown men you're talking about. This is a business you have a job to do. And i always looked at the college environment as an opportunity to not that. We're not going to do with the nfl but you're dealing with seventeen. Eighteen nineteen year olds. That are leaving home for the first time. And you're also dealing with an academic environments just a much different environment however between white lines. I don't see a lot of difference. I've studied the nfl game now for really years but really studied it for the first time in my life for the last six months. Maybe it works. Maybe it won't. It is interesting and look i. I mean. I've i've criticized urban meyer for the situation. That led to his suspension for those first three games in two thousand eighteen. I certainly understand a lot of the criticism. He has gotten subsequently. I thought press conference handling. That whole situation was a joke. Bob but as a as a football mind as somebody who has the capability of leading as somebody who has i think that the capability of adapting his coaching style to professionals of navigating all the different things that pop up. When you're an nfl head coach. It doesn't mean he's going to be a smashing success. It doesn't mean he's not gonna make mistakes. It doesn't mean that he's not going to one day acknowledge. What nick. Sabin has acknowledged. Which was i started to regret leaving. Lsu on my first day on the job with the miami dolphins and who knows maybe he jumps back into college. Maybe he goes back to being on tv where he's excellent. I don't know. I don't know but this idea that it's not gonna work simply because it has it worked with some other people first of all. How many of those coaches get a chance to coach trevor lawrence. How many of those coaches walked into a situation where the there was money to spend on players. How many of those coaches had the kind of track record that. urban meyer. Did how many of those coaches are as good coaches as urban. Meyer has been here to tell you that it's going to work. I'm here to tell you that. I would if you were to be whatever. The definition of work is in the he could be a smashing success. Never win a super bowl but the definition of is this going to work. Is he going to be a success. I'll just put it simply within a finite amount of time as you're gonna win more than he loses my money would be on. Yes if i'm basing it solely on his coaching acumen now. They've been trevor. Lawrence is as good as people think maybe he gets hurt. Maybe the franchises a train wreck. Maybe the players revolt. There's a lot of different factors that are going to go in. But based on what. I watched when i watched him in college based on what. I've come to know about him. I think it has a better chance of working than networking six minutes. away from. Four o'clock five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six papa. John's weekend tip off as we sort of wade through all the college basketball games that are happening this weekend but also the ones that aren't going to be happening. This weekend will spend time on that coming up at five fifteen n. k. You and i you. Py coming up at six pm with the pregame show at five thirty this college basketball season as much as i love college basketball. This has been hard to get into. I don't think that there is of all the sports that we've watched in bubbles or empty arenas or mostly empty stadiums. I think the one we're the presence of fans in the environment of the game have been felt. The most i think is college basketball and you know look not every college. Basketball game is played in front of a full house but the college basketball games. You wanna watch. The most are often defined by atmosphere. If i'm flipping around and duke is playing on the road in a normal year. I'm less likely to stay with the game. That i am of duke is playing at home. Especially if it's a an opponent matters there's something about that environment there's something about that atmosphere. The crosstown shootout which you know. Let's face it. It was buried at three o'clock on the sunday opposite of bengals game opposite. Nfl games. But when i talked to other people around the country about that rivalry. They rarely mentioned the games. They rarely mentioned the coaches. They rarely mentioned the players. They always talk about the atmosphere atmosphere at that game is second to none. That has been. i think. More noticeably absent than than anything else you can't. I don't think you can replicate the sound of a college basketball game. We if you listen to uc broadcast on the radio when it came to football you know. There's there's some environment there even though there's no one nippert stadium and you can pipe in sort of ambient crowd noise. You can't do that for basketball and have it sound like a basketball game and then when you watch it on tv. It's kinda the same thing. I just it does it. Does it mean the games aren't really good. Look i've loved watching gonzaga and this year those two have been the best at least the most fun to teams. I think with gonzaga clearly the best from an offensive standpoint. They're as good as anybody that has rolled through the sport in a long time. I was talking about that on twitter last night but so much apart of the college basketball fan experience. I'm not even talking about at the the gym itself or at the arena itself just watching. It is the environment the spectacle the the team having to go into a really good teams jim and have to beat that team but also overcome the environment. The absence of that. I think i felt that more in college. Hoops than i felt it in college. Football the nfl or any other sport and it's so it's to a degree. It's it's it's not the same and then the postponements and the unevenness of some of these teams playing far fewer games than others. It's march kids here. We're all going to get into it and look would it be a little bit different selfishly as easy fan at the bearcats were good this year. Sure i don't think it helps the kentucky's not very good. I think as much as i'd always sort of shake my head at the idea that well if such and such a team is good. It's really good for the sport when kentucky basketball is good. It's really good for the sport at least in this part of the country. And they're not but this has been all of these seasons have been weird all of them this football the nfl seasons. We're all of these seasons are weird. The college basketball season in my opinion at least has been has been the weirdest and often. I like weird this weird. I don't know agra fifteen thirty on twitter. So i started the show by a pocket about and asking why the bengals couldn't hire him and i'm going to continue to do that and i spent a lot of time wondering why can't the reds just sign. Trevor bauer and. I'm going to continue to do that until he assigned somewhere else. And there's a reason why. I'm doing those things because ordinarily i wouldn't do them and i'll tell you what they are why they are next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport. Station your official home for the cincinnati bengals. Espn fifteen thirty. That's us that's us. That's us i get up man. I'm all edgar. This is espn tipping just sounded. Like a horse. There have done early today and that probably not a bad thing m. k. u. And i appeal first back to back games between those two horizon. league focus. pregame starts at five thirty papa. John's weekend tip off right before. Then i said i was going to kind of acknowledge something here this is. This is not an admission or a confession but it's it's just a little bit of a changing of perspective and not one that is going to be a blanket perspective over everything that we talk about on this show but like i started the show by asking why couldn't the bengals higher urban meyer. Now i know how that sounds. It's kinda hot take you right. it's all. Yeah it's it's it's kind of almost sounds kind of lazy. it's hard taking. It's just you know it's not gonna happen but it'll move the meter and i get how it comes off. I really really do. I've also spent some time discussing. Trevor bauer coming. Back to the reds. Which certainly seems very very very unlikely. And there's there's a lot of sort of context that has to be applied to trevor bowers free agency from him being a little bit of a different guy to some of the things he said about what he's looking for in the past to the things that he has said recently about what he's looking forward to the economic climate of baseball the reds economic situation is. It's it's not as cut and dry as it might ordinarily but it's not just cut dry or it doesn't doesn't just lack a cut and dried perspective for lack of a better term in cincinnati. It's not dry anywhere so try as best. I can sort of articulate this. We'll see if i'm successful. I've spent time talking about. Trevor bauer coming to staying in cincinnati. Just like i started the show by talking about a why couldn't urban. Meyer coach the bengals. Because i've i've experienced a little bit of a shift in in how i feel about these teams and it's reflected by how i talk about them and this may not be good at. Maybe i don't know it. Just i'm paid to tell you how i feel my job. You may disagree. That's okay. we're just talking about sports. Aren't real world issues to do. Tell you how i feel. Tell you how. I think whether you buy it or not is up to you. Typically for the bulk of my career doing this show. I've sort of defaulted to the well. You know what. That's that's how the bengals do things. And so let's let's talk about things within the parameters of how the bengals do things we've done this for for years right like in free agency. Let's let's not even talking about the possibility of the bengals getting the best guys at certain positions. Because that's just not something. The bengals due to their credit last year they tried didn't work out. I have no issue with them. Trying just wasn't really their fault. It didn't work out that a bunch of guys got hurt but they tried but ordinarily with the bengals. It's like with with coaching. That's just not something they do. When it comes to like moving on from somebody like zac taylor or even keeping marvin lewis for forever and ever and it. Just oh. that's just not something they do. They like continuity they have lane they have these parameters and the reds. It's of the same thing right you know last year. They spent a ton of money in free agency and again got a lot of credit for got a lot of attention for it in large part. Because that's just not something you expect from the reds. It also didn't help that. Basically nobody in baseball is trying to win anymore except the padres and last offseason it was pretty much just the reds trying to go get guys but historically there has been this up you know what that's just that's just not somebody. The reds can afford well. I don't know if i believe that anymore. And even with the things were things where they are economically. I guess what i'm trying to say is typically i viewed these teams willingly through the lanes. They choose to stay in. But as those teams have stayed in those lanes of doing things the way they do things. It hasn't yielded any kind of real meaningful success now. They've had good teams. The bengals had a really mostly fun. Five-year run where they were relevant. Every single year and made the postseason got a lot of credit for building. Really good teams in the reds. I think could be in the postseason next year. I wish they would realize it. But you know there's there's more to like about the reds and the word you know three four years ago and that's a credit to what done organizationally but but typically we talk about these these two teams and this is just what the reds could could do. Here's how they're going to operate financially. And with rebuilds i think when we talk about baseball teams rebuilding because the reds took forever took forever to re-build we now assume that the price of being good for a couple of years you have to stink for like five or six. That's not how it is. Even small markets the tampa bay. Rays aren't always good but they take a year or two off in the playoffs. They come back the oakland days. Saint louis cardinals have lost ninety games in a season in thirty years. It doesn't always have to mean that you are absolutely dreadful for years and years and years and years before you win and yet here it's just it feels like we just kind of accept like all right they'll go forward for a year or two and then well then they're going to have to really stink again. That's not acceptable. And so i've i'm explaining this right. I've i've gone through a little bit of a shift and i can't. I can't pinpoint for you. What changed changed it for me but a little bit of a shift where i don't want to talk about these teams solely through the lens of worth solely through the filter of what their lanes are with the bengals. This is how they do things and they values to -bility and okay fine and if it's working and they're winning and their people are happy with what they're doing and they're giving folks return on their emotional investment then fine you do it your way. But their way doesn't work right. The their way doesn't work. It's why like as much as we talk about. Zac taylor this year. I wanted to advance the conversation to the people putting together the rosters because five consecutive years of non winning football in the nfl is not acceptable. And that predate zac taylor. Well yeah you know what it sits duke tobin and this is these are the bengals what you know what you find. But they're they're not. They're not winning. they're not successful. So let's talk about ways that they could be more successful in those ways probably are outside of the parameters of what they liked to do and how they were like the run their team and what they value and the reds. It's kind of the same thing. It's why i've spent three months talking about the transition from dick williams and nick crawl to just nick crawl purely financially. I get it Dick williams whatever he was making. You shave that money. Give a little bit to nick. Now he does both jobs. That's happening all over the place but again. did that. Feel like an expansive search. The verbiage i've used over the last two months has been. Does that feel like an expansive search to go and get the best in the world at what they do when feel epstein. Who's now going to work in baseball and try to fix that sport when he left the chicago cubs. I brought it up here and said why shouldn't the reds call him and ordinarily through most of my career doing this. I would have defaulted to where everybody else does. Which is why you know. They're not gonna hire theo epstein. He's you know. Want too much money and well. Maybe but are you. Are you really interested in. Having the best the most qualified people an important decision making capacities at the answer is yes. You're an idiot if you don't call theo obscene. You're a moron if you don't gauge his interest and i feel that way about nfl coaches. I feel that way about retaining. Trevor bauer and i think sometimes whether it's me or whether it's folks who do what i do. We have to be the smartest people in the room right. And so we're going to bring up. How much money is he going to be making. And then what does that going to be in terms of like you know dollars spent per win for the team like i don't know man. Let's simplify it okay. Dude was the best pitcher in baseball arguably last year. Certainly was one of them. The voter said he was the best in the national league. You're not as good if you don't have him so keep them and i know that's nuanced. I know that's not hyper analytical. One of the great khan's baseball as we've been able to sell fans on the idea that it makes sense to move on from great players which is why. There's no shortage of apologised for the boston. Red sox letting mckee bats getaway or the tampa bay rays a world series team last year allowing blake. Snell to get away or even the reds to what extent that they've tried to put up a fight and tried to keep trevor bauer. I don't know i'm going to imagine there was some level of discussion but it just kind of feels like just throw up our hands and just assume he can't come back here. I don't want to do that anymore. i don't want to do that anymore. Until these franchises have proven established repeated track records and patterns of success. And then i will default back to. This is just how they do things. This is just how it is. This is the this is what this is what they're comfortable doing and i. This doesn't make any sense. That's fine but it. Just i've i've done a shift when it comes to how i view these teams where it's no longer acceptable. As far as i'm concerned too when you have a head coach just a head. Coaching vacancy hire somebody with a profile of head coach in mind instead of going and getting the best possible person the best in the world at what they do and paying for it and i know how this is going to get received by a lot of people who talk about these teams and cover these teams because everything has to be framed within the put it within the framework of how the bengals and the reds do business how the bengals and the reds do business. I don't know about you but if you're a fan of those teams. Are you happy with what you're getting from them. The easiest thing in the world is to acknowledge that the long history of not winning postseason series or games for for these two franchises. But that is what matters the most. So i just i can't do the world this is just how the bengals do things or this is these. These are the woes of a small market baseball team and You know what bob castellini. It's a business he's got he's got a spreadsheet to. I don't. i'm not doing that anymore. So yes to believe. The cincinnati bengals should have gauged urban meyer's interest in their head coaching job. This offseason necessarily though. I wouldn't have objected to it but two years ago. Yes yes yes absolutely. Absolutely do i do. I believe that the red should be let off the hook. If it's proven that they didn't make much of an attempt to keep. trevor bauer. no. I don't think they should be let off the hook for that. And it just feels to me like and this is me speaking for me. Oftentimes i'm willing to let them off the hook for continuing to do things that simply don't work for years. the bengals had andy dalton. I like andy dalton. I appreciate andy. Dalton andy dalton came back to be joe. Burrow's backup. I would have no issue with that whatsoever. I but for years we would kind of have these conversations about maybe. Maybe this is the year where andy is a little bit more vocal and he could take his game to the next level and we all knew he wasn't going to so you know what go get somebody else. But you couldn't say that because that's not what the bengals do. Just i just. I thought about this a lot this week. I'm tired of defaulting to the this is just how they do business. This is not something they do. When you do has a track record of working repeatedly fine. We'll do it your way but for both of these teams when you have the recent losing history that they do you know what. Let's let's talk about more expansive. Coaching searches or spending more money in a certain area or stepping out of your financial comfort zone. When you're franchise valuations is over a billion dollars and retaining the best pitcher in baseball. I mean how pathetic is that. Trevor bauer who by the way. When out of his way to make a connection with fans you might not like his personality. And there's a lot of people who don't and i'll admit to you. Somebody who's had trevor on this show. And i like him i think sometimes he could be a little much on twitter by the way so can but he could be a little bit much on twitter. How pathetic is it and this is maybe more of a statement about the sport dude was the best pitcher in the national league last season and a major reason why this team got to the playoffs and hell. He was the only reason they even had a chance to win a playoff game once they finally got there and it's just sort of accepted there. They can't keep them now. Is that more of an indictment against the sport of baseball. The reds yeah. I think you could argue that. But i just i don't want to just move okay. So guy who used to be good. Can you go get a. Who's this version of scott feldman. Don't we're gonna talk ourselves into. I won't do that anymore. Scott feldman's what the best. I don't want anymore. You know nick crosby been here for a while and just going to have him do dick williams job in his like really. This sport just laid off dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of really good baseball. People not going to interview any of them knocking to take a look at any of them the reds they like to keep a close to the vast and close to home. Even the stupid managerial search. David bell grew up in cleveland or chicago or new orleans or somewhere else that we david bells the manager of the reds but he's from cincinnati. So i am being. Maybe a little bit unfair. I just i gotten to the point where talking about these teams and rooting for these teams simply accepting. This is how they do things. I can't do it anymore. Man and here's the thing. Here's why bring this up. Because i feel like compared to a lot of fans i am late to the party. Nothing your average reds fan. I think you care that. They can't afford trevor bauer. Would you care is reds are about to let their best guy from last year get away seemingly without much of a fight and maybe they ended up getting them and if sold give credit in the world. I think you're willing to accept a coaching search. That yielded some guy who was a terrible offensive coordinator at uc and buried on the staff in los angeles. Now he's the head coach of an nfl team. We're just all supposed to not along because that's how the bengals do things. I can't do that anymore. I don't think you want to do that. I don't think you've been doing that anymore. And so i'm joining the party. Were maybe these clubs. These teams should be held a little bit more accountable for their failures. There were times. I normally for a break. No i'm rambling in part of. It's just frustration but there have been times from two thousand fifteen through two thousand eighteen. The reds laws ninety plus games every single year every single year. And if you listen to people including myself talk about that it was well. That's just it's rebuild man that's just you have to suck it up and lose ninety games every single year. That's not how it works. That's not how it's that's not how it works. It's not how it works on almost any other major league market but here. I just don't want to think small time anymore man. Small-market doesn't have to mean small time. I wrote this before last season and it was you know. Hey it's great that the reds have done what they can to build a team. That's better in two thousand. And twenty. And i hope this splash into free agency works but the real goal now is to actually develop an organization. That's like the cardinals develop an organization that never had a losing season. Hey when you lose guys when you dip a little bit when you're not as competitive you don't totally sync into this abyss. Where every single year your out of the race by father's day and with the bengals five consecutive lose forget the thirty years five straight losing seasons and just you know what i mean. You know maybe the this coming year they can win seven games. How would that the playoffs this year. I'm watching all these other. Nfl franchises turn around pretty quickly. Urban meyer jacksonville's were gonna take four or five years. Oh man goals to have that bad point the playoffs in two years and here it says well i mean i even if people call the show can't judge by wins and losses like it's a professional sports team man. Judge wins and losses. What are we judge him by. So i just i know i just a little bit of my wits end i just i can't i can't just do the whole world. This is what the bengals do. And this is what the reds do because what they're doing isn't working honestly. I don't even care. They get mad at this point for saying it's not working sitting down this morning and i'm like you know what do urban meyer thing and i'll get laughed at and i'd have got laughed because i bring it up to people. I tried it with people. Here does not many folks working in the building right now. like why couldn't they hire urban. Meyer would never do that. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's the problem. And then i'll do the same thing. Well why don't they keep trevor. Bauer can't do that. Would never w- maybe that's the problem. I needed to get that off my chest. I'm waylaid for a break. Not trying to bring everybody just just reflecting how i feel. I can't do the other the the the lane in man this is. i just. I'm not doing it anymore. And you could tell me that i'm wrong. Why have these discussions about these teams. Oftentimes i will. I have a friend of mine. Text me to ask. People legitimately can't speak for anybody else don't don't you get tired of the can't afford them only just know what they do. That person's not gonna come here. We actually talk about these teams The way they're supposed to be talked about which are professional sports franchises. That should be going to the end of the earth. Try to win going to the end of the earth to try to win. I generally don't want to beat up on crawl. Because he seems like a good guy. He's worked for the franchise for a very long time. Whatever amount of successes is the reds have had. While he's been there his fingerprints are on. He may be very qualified and very capable of handling the workload of dick williams and his own. But ho boy. This is six days after the president of baseball operations. Leave aja. we're just gonna addict or nick do both okay. That's that's is that what the cardinals were do what to do. And if you can't compare the reds to those teams then for the operation. Let's go home. We're trying to do here. We're gonna let other people talk five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty really folks checking the all right man you call you good you can go make it to five thirty mansion if we had a show til six fill is calling from finney town. Hi phil mow your type. Yes i love it. i can't. I can't agree more with jim. So it's time we gotta start demanding more than we do about bengals football though. I think they're turning the corner. Earl gets healthy. We draft pick from oregon. We get rid of aj. Get rid of gino. We free up that cap space. Let's bring in some due to. Let's go go get your thoughts on the bank. They'll give me the give me the best to thank. You feel gummy go. Give me the best to offensive linemen in free agency and then go get a skill guy. Devante smith take jabbar. Chase were go. Fixture defense and other areas and upgrade significantly on that side of the ball in two thousand and twenty two peninsulas there and you've still upgraded in free agency at the on the offensive line. I have no issue taking him. Because i don't think you can go overboard enough and protecting your most precious asset. But it's gotta start in free agency. And i'm not talking about bargain-basement guys you talked about moving on from jay green. That's eighteen million bucks off. The books talked about moving on from Gino atkins that's a lot of dough off the books. Go and use that in free agency to get the best offensive linemen available. I don't want xavier. Su'a filo i don't want the next bobby. Hart the best available joe. Dooney has been connected to cincinnati. He is from the area. Go and sign him if you do that and still draft panay soul. I will not criticize them for that if you do that. And you take devante. Smith signed me up. That was the best player in college football last year. If you do that and instead of drafting devante smith you take tamar chase one hundred percent on board with that. As with joe burrow he would be on board with that a built around that quarterback offensively fill the holes. Defensively that you can this year and then make that your priority in two thousand twenty two and get this team deep in the postseason by the end of the twenty twenty two season. I made it sound really easy. It's not but protect your most important asset and then bring out the most in him. Paul danger junior wrote about that in the athletic earlier this week. There's there's there's a lot of teams that play in the postseason defensive issues that have issues running the football that have areas of weakness. But if they've got a quarterback who can be protected and has weapons to throw to. They're always going to be viable. This team in the middle of the season was viable. Because of joe burrow. Higgins and tyler boyd at an even better wide receiver to that makes you can more importantly keep the quarterback upright. That is doable. And i think they're going to win. More games in the pittsburgh steelers next year. That gonna mean the postseason. I struggle with that but what we can't be doing about how the bengals are finally doing something. This off season wants the draft begins. I know free agency didn't work last year. That's okay it's not going to. I get this all the free agencies. It's not guaranteed to work. Well it's guaranteed to never work if you don't try it right. It's not guaranteed to work. Draft choices aren't guaranteed to work for a team that is typically built through the draft. How many how. Many recent first round picks have either been busts been hurt or not played to the level of the first round. Pick pretty much everyone this decade aside from aj green and obviously joe burrow gets a pass. So that's not guaranteed to work either. One of the fears. A lot of people had is that they're approaching free agency. Not working in two thousand twenty was going to scare them away. It should so again you're going to have to overpay. Have to pay more than the market rate to get the best offensive. Lineman here if you do that now. Suddenly would that fifth pick a wide receiver is not a luxury. Pick the who knows how things are going to play out with. Robert salad being hired by the new york jets. Adam schefter tweeted today. And i take all this stuff with huge grains of salt but right now it would appear that the plan is to proceed is of sam. Darnold is gonna be the quarterback now. They could proceed with that plan. Still take justin fields. They could still do that. They could also sort of let that be known. They're going to go in the direction. The sam darnold and still take. Justin feels a lot of different things they could do. They could swap out of the number two pick and team could trade into it and take justin fields or a quarterback or whoever they want so that the sole thing it is interesting though when the bengals beat. The pittsburgh steelers the monday before christmas. There were a lot of people who took that as well. They just blew their chances with peninsula. And then when they won the following game against houston. It wasn't well now. They have no chance to get police. There's multiple mock drafts. Which one about mocked rams have him falling to five. I said this earlier on the show this week. I will not criticize them for going overboard to protect joe burrow. So if you take as all at the expense of another position. I am not gonna crush them for that. What i will crush them for is waiting into the draft to take their offensive linemen and just assuming that that along with newly hired frank pollock is going to be enough but they've got their piece of qb. I mean that's for as miserable as this year was their qb that should excite us. But you gotta go. Overboard to protect them c. Twenty-three from five i'm late to local lines open five. Three seven four nine fifteen. Thirty eight six six seven. Oh two three seven. Seven six papa. John's weekend tip off as we look ahead to the weekend in college. Hoops coming up at five. Fifteen on espn fifteen. Thirty cincinnati's sports station. Seventeen away from five. I am. I am late. have to get back on time here. Sports update service kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours. Four live could've kelsey shove dot com reds have avoided arbitration which historically they've been good at with a slew of guys i just use the word slew again. Jesse winker annoy ramirez. Louise castio not louisiana's to you. Let me try this again. Reds avoided arbitration. With michael lorenzen jesse winker and no way ramirez and tyler molly reportedly also kyle farmer to the best that i've seen. I've not seen anything involving a deal for louise castio and amir garrett if i'm wrong about that it's not the first time that's happened. Nfl former ohio state head coach. Urban meyer is the new head coach of the jacksonville jaguars. We have an ku basketball tonight. Norse are taking on a upi bbn arena. That first game of two back to back games tips off at six pm tonight. Live on espn fifteen thirty. Also this weekend. You're not gonna have ucs. Xavier you're not gonna have indiana you'll have kentucky and auburn that game at two pm tomorrow on. Espn fifteen thirty. Ohio state is at illinois. Miami's taking on western michigan and Dayton's at gw. George washington also this weekend louisville at miami florida and right state taking on cleveland state. There you go there you go turn are we. We are caught up. Thanks the kind of thing we should've talked about during the break at malaga. Fifteen thirty nine people on twitter. Asking if i'm okay. I also have people on twitter saying that Little twenty five minute rant was about eight years too late. So i'd i'm sorry some the light later than others. Paul is calling from hebron. Thank you for your patience. Paul how are you. I'm good man how Sounds like you are where. I was about three years ago tonight. He's more Okay so here's what i did. And i don't know if this is going to help you at all but clearly i waited twenty minutes to talk to you to tell you this So i drafted mahomes in my fantasy league his first year and like i started watching his game. Because you know you follow your quarterback. He scores the most points for your team. Or whatever and and. I just love the way i started following the chiefs and so i've got another team that i follow the bengals still have my heart but i feel like giving the piece of it homes as definitely paid off. I mean they won the super bowl last year. I mean. I can't imagine. I can't imagine what it would feel like if the bengals ever made it to a super bowl let alone win it Like at this point. In in in the way the franchise going Matter of fact they were games. This year where. I would have loved to just have marvin back and i was the first one to wanna run out of town. Yeah but clearly sports as made a lot of it's crazy So it's just yeah for me. Finding another thing. And and i watched a lot of the braves and i know that to be but i was chairing hard for that. Sure in this wildcard. But i watched a lot of the braves growing up because they were on every night on tv. Show for me. I've been started pulling for the braves in baseball. So my yeah no. I get that so for me as a uc fan. I i i enjoy watching bearcats not like you know school like ohio state or alabama or someone like that but i enjoy kansas city because of travis kelsey i root for philly because of jason kelsey. I'll take an interest in the green bay packers side. Guera got hurt early in the season but a player that i liked and really followed. They'll have guys who enter the nfl this year. so i always sort of from an interest standpoint. i may bengals fan but i gravitate toward them and there is there. Are things like fantasy football. There's there's gambling and there's things like that but still as a sports fan for me. At least nothing moves the meter like your investment being rewarded in a franchise that you care about. And i just for me. It's not that. I don't want them to wear it if i wouldn't have this job if i didn't care about the teams i just i feel like at least for me the way i talk about them. I just. It's changing. Because i i. It's not a holding them. Accountable thing it's not a knock it off the hook thing. That sort of it's it's just i feel like we should demand more and i don't. I don't think. I demand as much as maybe i should. Yeah i agree with you. Great minds paul. Have a good weekend. You do math thank you. Thank you so much and you know it's it's not. It's not abandonment or frustrated. Like i'm on i'm done. I mean if i decided i didn't care about the reds anymore literally will go do something else. Did the fun part is talking about teams. I i do care about. But i just i have. I have caught myself thinking about this last night. More than i should and the impetus was higher. And look i have no idea of urban. Meyer is gonna be a good. Nfl head coach. Neither does anyone. But i literally just kind of set out loud. Like why couldn't the bengals hire him. And if i were to ask that in a public forum like this one it's your either. Talk down pat on the head or your your explained very swiftly. Here's why here's why it's it's. It wouldn't even be a consideration. I'm tired of things like that. Not being a consideration. I was talking with some some folks about trevor bauer. The reds went to corey kluber which is fine. They should be a corey kluber workout and if they were to bring him to cincinnati dude fine. Chances are it's not going to cost that much money. He's a couple of years removed from a cy young award. But still that guy has a pedigree that guy has a history of if you can put them in the derek johnson machine and kyle bodey machine first of all. Kyle buddy would tell you how often the machine was my go to that. Guy's website boy likes himself but nonetheless. Fine whatever there's a lot of people who do put a corey kluber in that machine and maybe it gets something out of him awesome but we're talking about how well you can. you can. Maybe get a former cy young award winner on the cheap and i said kind of just out loud. I'd rather have last year. Cy young award winner while the reds can't do that. Maybe that's the problem is it can't or don't want to if it's can the ideas to deliver championship baseball. Then you have to have a conversation about whether your business can allow you to do that. If it's i don't want to thing fine but don't try to convince me that you're going to the end of the earth to win a world series the bengals. Here's an example. The bengals don't have an indoor practice facility. Now this gets brought up all the time. I think as a practical matter it's kind of overrated right. I would be. I would find it hard to believe that. A player has left cincinnati because they don't have an indoor practice facility. The bengals have a long list of players who have stayed here because the team paid them a lot of money. They didn't go elsewhere because indoor practice facility over there man and the players. They've lost who have left. I don't think they left. Because there was no indoor practice facility. I have not heard of a case of a player not coming to cincinnati. Because they don't have an indoor practice facility so as a practical matter. do i think matters. Yes i know for a fact that there were times where marvin lewis would say to mike. Brown i want to go to uc in workout indoors. And mike would say no. And so if it's something you're coach wants and it makes it easier for him to get his work done that day. It's something you should have and the bengals could afford to do it. There's a guy online right now. Who's on go. Fund me trying to raise money for bengals to have an indoor practice facility. I don't tell people what to do with their money. If you want to donate that. That's fine. I think mike brown has gotten enough public money. If he wants to practice facility he should pay for it. And if you're looking for something to do with your money. I can steer you towards a lot of very worthwhile causes. That are going to where your money's gonna go farther than giving mike brown more money so he can build a building that he doesn't want that he can afford. But i have in the past. Let them off the hook for this. And i've even said like if i ran the bengals and just up. The street is a school. That's gonna let me use a practice facility whenever i want. I wouldn't have one. But it's not about the the brick and mortar building. It's not about the facility. It's about what it symbolizes. We're going to do everything we can to win everything we can do to win you name it. We will do it. i've often. i said this before. But i've often used the verbiage about the reds and bengals. Are they getting the best in the world. What they do i'll ask. Are they getting the best in the world. What they do is duke tobin. The best is he one of the absolute best. Nfl personnel evaluators front office executives. One of the absolute best. If the answer is no why don't we just frogger shoulders and dukes. Could it be there every year and the indoor practice for so doing every single thing you can to win. The lack of a building for players to practice in when the weather sucks would indicate that the answer is no. And i just. We'll put this is not what they're gonna do. What should if for no other reason than to be able to say. Actually we are doing everything we can seven away. From five o'clock we'll get to another fill you at five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven six. We will. i'm going to do a little bit of a public service. Will scroll through the nfl playoff games this weekend. Also have the papa. John's weekend tip off in a couple of other odds and ends still ahead on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Is this weekend not a big fan of expanded postseason until we get to the expand postseason. That's awesome so those games are interesting and you know what maybe we'll redo locks of nine. I'm a apart. Heels will join us in thirty minutes. Talk about ohio. State be alabama on monday night and the papa. John's weekend tip off as well. You know i. I think it's interesting that the people who apologize for the reds. I don't think the reds are going to be bad and and that's the problem but you know what we should do. We've had desmond rid. Iran and heather ditch and then taryn had to occupy about fifteen minutes to talk about killing more. I'm not sure why we haven't had time to talk to anybody else. And is a public forum. This is not supposed to be a monopoly. This is supposed to be an opportunity for folks to weigh in on the the new sports the sports news of the day. And so we'll let bob and florence do that. Hi bob Just sitting here doing a talk show. how about yourself. I'm not but i did. I want to say When you should have said hello sir a needs to be more of yes You were talking about your trivia question there and Karen and i had talked. I pay manage name for some reason out my mind. Cause he was not only a good college quarterbacks but he later was a good professional quarterback as well he he did okay in the pros like everyone championship You want a couple of financial. Okay interesting you know what's interesting. Move in never won a championship at tennessee correct and they did the year after he left. They did by quarterback who Martin you've got was later coach for the pittsburgh steelers Yeah and And kentucky as well yes. Hey what i wanted to talk to you about though actually basketball game last night. Let's do it. It was awesome starting to forget what it felt like. What and you know what about it. obviously i didn't expect them to win that game but i'll say this and some of the things i've heard from people recently is that you know there really was no preseason. There wasn't a lot of games before you got into conference play and all that kind of stuff and maybe maybe. There's some truth around that. I think i think there is when it comes to you know. Obviously the team as a whole but specifically freshman when when you've got to come out of the gate and play xavier in the second game of the year and you gotta say the freshman go gives good minutes in a game like that even a different covert atmosphere that. That's not easy to do. Ordinarily you'd like to have by games you'd like to have savannah state and jackson state and and compensate in schools like that that i'm just not to pick on those schools but the coming to your building and you get a chance to play those guys and there's a huge margin for error and cincinnati. Didn't have that a lot of programs haven't had that and you do wonder how specifically the young guys but also the team as a whole meshing to seniors. Transfer to transfer is actually with those young guys. You just wonder hell. Things would have turned out against the tougher teams. Had they been able to gel against you know weaker competition absolutely. And i'll tell you what you can see some big time improvement out of easson. Yeah Davenport is looking really good. At this point. They had a good year on. I think You know. I'm i'm not sure with Chris what's going on there exactly but you know. Chris looks this year. Like i thought he would look last year. Remember remember last year. I think it was on the date of midnight. Man is john brandon announced that chris votes waiver had been accepted and that meant he got to play the original plan was he was gonna sit last season and you know this season would be last year next year would be this year and you wonder how that would have affected him but look the reality is he's a seven foot one guy who's just not athletic. He's not a great jumper. He's not the most physically strong guy. He's not overly skilled from a pure basketball standpoint. He's a backup center. That does not mean. he doesn't value. But i think at this level there's just an athleticism and size in the skill level. That's a little bit above him for him to play the minute load that he was playing before last night there there. There's no doubt about that and actually williams last night for most of the game didn't really look either and then biggest catches fire things like. Yeah it's gonna stay on the court to me. The key number two keith lee and keith williams line in the box score was thirty three. He played thirty three minutes. Now you're right man. Many of those minutes a buddy of mine joked with me on semi taxes. Like i think keith has shaving points and he was being tongue in cheek but there was some selfishness to his game. Last night there was some detachment to his game last night at times until the last four or five minutes went on both ends of the court. He came to life and closed out a game which was really good to see. Bob thank you for the phone. Call is always. Bob did not reciprocate my thank you. You're welcome have a good weekend nonetheless. It's a couple minutes away from five. O'clock did not see. I didn't see the wind coming. Smu good team. It's not like they played gonzaga spokane but nonetheless with the way this team had been playing and again kind of figured it was going to be close with the exception of the georgia game. They've been in every single game. Haven't been able to close anybody out last night. They did. And i don't like picking on a college basketball player but they're better. They're not better with chris. Vote not on the team. They're better without him on the court for huge stretches of time last night he only played eight minutes. He wasn't extraordinarily effective. But when you're not effective lesser on the court the less chance of hurting your team and those minutes were filled in large part by tar. Eason on both ends of the court was really really good. As was that sophomore class last hours in front of us. Paul kiel's will join us at five twenty to talk about Monday night and we have the papa. John's weekend tip off. We'll look at the nfl playoff games this weekend as well more on desmond ritter coming back and you notice when i'm really critical of the reds front office. Do you notice what. I'm not critical of the reds front office. We'll make a distinction next. Espn fifteen thirty espn. Cincinnati bengals ploy. Here we go. It's four minutes after five. This is espn fifteen thirty. Money's moa we are we're done we're done in twenty six minutes Star weekend early now and ku basketball tonight north taken on up. I can't off six pre game at five thirty. And so we're done make way for jim. Kelch report by the way During the break saw this louise castio signed his deal so the reds avoid arbitration with all their gods those guys are louise casio maui amir garrett michael lorenzen jesse winker noah ramirez cow farmer was included in this group. He was non tendered and then came back and so he gets a d. All these guys signed their contracts no arbitration reds have done a very good job in recent years of avoiding arbitration. So they don't go to that process. Which is as we say with louise castio so there. You go five after five a couple of things. I want to spend some time on. I've i don't even have to recap the last hour. So i won't try. We'll have the apologize weekend tip off and got a role for all the college basketball games this weekend and then talk a little bit about the. Nfl tilts this weekend as well but I waiting patiently and madisonville. Phil thank you for hanging on. How are you phenomenal. First of all the important stuff my wife would just went to pick up mexican and the ingredients margarita. So we're like ten minutes from man. You can't beat that. So i'm trying to throw. That sounds like you sounds like you might need one. Yup i want to welcome you to the To the club of pragmatic and data driven cincinnati fans. Because i mean that's the same right with all these decisions. Both the football innocence in the baseball team. Do they never like throw any kind of data behind it. Because i can't they can't think they can't you know you can't say well there's no track record as we always say well. We feel that way that we've done. No that's fine. it's it's the best and there's no measurable way that you can say what you have been doing this a right way to do it right. So that's your And i get that I'm gonna leave to or at one bingo. Spot really quick. Which is i. I would love to little any prey. Hawkins who whatever reliable center we get the backing up a play portraying till he gets all the way healthy eating thing in the way that five pretty good i that i would. I would feel. I would feel comfortable with that. Yes i would. I would feel pretty comfortable with that. That's that sounds easy. Getting it done a little bit less less easy. But yes i would. I could stomach that but the bengals pay people make hard things happen. I don't know people to make things happen. It's going to throw that out there. They didn't pay people to make things happen. So yeah you're right about the enjoy the mexican. I will do all right. good man. i don't talk to you. All right phil thank you. Give him a chance. Say what else was on his mind. How good is a margarita on right now unless margarita. I had carry out. Margarita from the scoreboard on the west side. Like in may last margarita had phenomenal. carry out margaritas. That might be a part of tonight's plan. Make him home. Made a margarita. Home ever have to do that now. Fills fills gummy thinking about booze. We still twenty two minutes of show in front of us. I don't. i'm not gonna do this on monday. But it's like again with the reds them. I can't speak for any other fan. I can't speak for anybody who does a job like mine. I can't speak for actual journalists and people who have who cover the team and things like that but but what. I what i can tell you. Is this in two thousand fifteen. The reds belatedly launched into a rebuild the rebuild did i kind of thought for real ended when they traded for trevor bauer so they started this late and a lot of people criticize them for it and but once it started the just seemed to be this year in and year out acceptance of well. This is just what you have to do. This is this is it takes a long time. I don't wanna lend my voice to the chorus of acceptance of nonstop losing anymore. It's not acceptable. It's not acceptable and the bengals have. It's a little bit different but it's it should not be as accepted as i think so many. Just this is what they do. I wanna i wanna lend my voice to that. And i know that's often going to be perceived as being pessimistic or negative and i. It's not that way it's a i care. Be i just feel like we deserve. Better like with zac taylor conversation. Zac taylor may end up proven to be a phenomenal head coach. And you know they've played pretty well against pittsburgh and played pretty well against houston. Those things are to a degree credits. Zac taylor my frustration with bringing him back isn't with zac. Taylor who again may prove to be a winning successful head coach. My frustration was. You almost couldn't even talk about the mere possibility that it might be time to move on from him which is not how it works anywhere else. I literally never said he should be fired. I tried to make the conversation balanced. Wouldn't have bothered me. How they fired him and the fact that they brought him back doesn't anger me. I didn't like mike brown statement about it. Didn't like him throwing it on fans which i felt like he did but the frustration for me is can't even have the conversation because well there's no way they're gonna let a head coach go after just two years. Why not. but that's just not the kind of thing that they do. That's not the kind of thing that they do works. You're a winning franchise. If you're a premier franchise if you're a model franchise the bengals are none of those things. Hopefully they are one day but right now there are none of those things you would bring it up. Around here in commodity. He can't he can't let them go after two. You know they're not going to and is that fair. I just who cares about what's fair to him. How about what's right. By the franchise which is in turn right by fans. They brought him back. Fine whatever is that ever joe. Burrow's seemed to work well together. And maybe that's the reason why you do bring him back but when you don't win any games zacks one total of six in two years when you have hardly won any games over a two year stretch. What to do with you is a very legitimate thing to talk about whether or not your guy your future whether or not. It's better for the team to move on from you. Those are very legitimate things to discuss. Especially when you're a coach who has no track record to speak of and yet around here. It's just it's just not what we do. It's not how it just. They're not gonna they're not gonna move on from him. It's just it's only been two years and it's like not that all these other teams that are constantly changing coaches. Have it right. The jets got rid of adam gays that he talked about the new york jets. Since the mid eighties have two coaches leave that franchise with winning records. One guy coached one season. Al grow so if you coach the jets stink. that's his. How franchises worked robert salad for his sake does better qualified. But the jets are awful. It's not to say that moving on from zack would have been the right thing. But what frustrates me is just the way we just limit the franchise wanted. This is just how they do. They're not going to bring them back way again. You can stay in your lane and you could just adhere to what what what guide your print with the principles that guide your your philosophies when you run a sports franchise when you have a history of winning when you have a history of success in the nba. There's the spurs way with gregg popovich in new england and the nfl. There's the bell check where the patriot way and you know. Obviously tom brady had a lot to do with that. And in san antonio. Tim duncan and managing nobly and kawhi leonard for years had something to do with that but fine track records of success. This is how you do things you do you. You know better than everybody else because the proof is in the pudding. You always win here. It's just not what the the bengals in reds do. Oh so but what they do is yielded almost no success for a quarter century. Yeah great keep going. That way. So again i started the show by talking about urban. Meyer like why. why couldn't the bengals call urban meyer. Whether it was two years ago or even over the last couple of weeks why because he was going to cost twelve million bucks. Do you want the best in the world. The best in the world. 'cause mine wasn't because well we don't wanna be unfair to zac. Taylor wait a minute. You're not gonna call. Maybe the second best college football coach this century. Because of that. Taylor and just don't want to talk about these teams in those within these parameters anymore. And maybe that's gonna mean that. I'm i'm even worse at this than i am. I don't know. I don't know i just we we. We should be able to have conversations about these teams pursuing excellence. That don't immediately get shot down because well but you know how they do things do it differently until you start winning then do it the same way again and again and again and again and winning means more than just the occasional playoff berth. I've been on this for two. And a half weeks with the reds. They back into a playoff berth. That was given to them by baseball expanding the field. I mean you would have thought that buys that buyers this franchise decades equity buddy came in seventh place. They stunk for seven weeks and since the season ended all wanna say goodbye to people. And we're we're not supposed to wonder what the hell they're doing. You kidding me. Are you kidding me. I've yet to have anybody explain to me. The archie archie. Bradley thing is one of the most mind boggling things. I've seen a baseball team doing a long time to recap they trade archie bradley. Give up a couple of guys one of them prospect. The other dude is josh van meter but they give up two guys for archie bradley. He pitches for month. They non tender him. He leaves he signs with the phillies six mil. Which is roughly what it would cost to keep them here. This year had one more year of team control. He's a twenty eight year old. Good reliever so you could have either kept a good reliever for six million dollars or you could've traded the reliever and got something in return and instead they non tendered him which made him a free agent and got nothing in return. And edit okay. That's just the reds are in a pandemic that just that i it doesn't make sense at does not make any sense whatsoever and it just it feels like it's you know having to cut costs i'd like to see him actually actual losses and i'm not talking about financial either seventeen after five papa. John's weekend tip off coming up next. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Here we go papa. John's weekend tip off. We're done nine minutes and k. P. papa john's weekend tip off a service of your locally owned and operated papa john's pizza. Here's what to do do this tonight you can do. This tomorrow. does all three days. Good papa. John's dot com and you can get a large one topping pizza when you order carry out. 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Their own four in the league norris coming off back to back losses. The cleveland state. The second of which went to double overtime actually didn't go to double overtime. It just went to overtime. Here's what i wrote down. Second of the two in two zero t to t. I just wrote down to many tubes. I do know that. Marquez had twenty five in the second game against cleveland state after having just seven in the first game i do know that. He's averaged nineteen overs last four. I do know that. Jim kelch call play by play of tonight's game starting at six o'clock and he will be carrying through the broadcast. Rick broida tomorrow. It's ohio state illinois. This game's going to tip off at noon. Buckeyes winters on wednesday. They had four in double figures. There were led by dwayne washington. Who did everything on a night. In which the buckeyes had to without two point guards they didn't have cj walker they did have to washington via line. I lost last sunday. at home to maryland. They had a game against nebraska. That was postponed buckeyes ally tomorrow at noon. Kentucky at alabama two pm tomorrow on. Espn fifteen thirty tuesday. Night was as bad as it gets for john. Kerry's team at twenty point home loss to alabama. The wildcats can't guard the three time meet fourteen from behind the arc and this is the easiest team. This is the easiest kentucky team i've ever seen to defend. I've watched a lot of kentucky basketball my life. I've seen a lot of teams that were really really hard to defend. This is not one of them. I've seen the handful of teams that are really easy to defend. This might be the easiest. No dribble penetration whatsoever. They're gonna plan auburn team. That broke a four game. Losing streak with win over georgia. Who hasn't won a game in the sec. But they did club the bearcats. And that's made me feel good. You're going to be get a chance to watch reef cooper who was as good as advertised five star freshman who had to sit out the first semester. Basically because his dad's and agent. Yeah yeah twenty. Six against alabama. He had twenty eight and the game against georgia to go along with twelve assists Two pm tomorrow. Pre game at twelve thirty on espn fifteen thirty. Miami's at western michigan tomorrow to you know i've been the kalamazoo which were western michigan is thurs like i'm gonna get this wrong. More craft breweries per capita in kalamazoo than any similarly sized city bells brewing. There i went to a wedding. James rabin got married up there. I stayed in kalamazoo a thousand craft breweries. Even if you're not the world's biggest craft brewer fan and he finds some of those people insufferable which let's face it they can be. There's lots of really good breweries in kalamazoo. Also western michigan is there. Miami is going to be there. And i gotta be honest with you. I'd rather go to all those craft breweries and get their worst beer than watch. Miami play western michigan basketball. I'm i'm just. I'm being honest. Okay the redhawks. Our foreign for the broncos or two and eight. They've lost four straight. They've lost their last two by twenty one points. No one in their right mind wants to watch this game. So why am i. Talking about sunday. dayton plays george washington in this century. Miami basketball's been terrible. Charlie coles was awesome but since nineteen ninety nine. I think they've been the one tournament two thousand seven and had to win the mac tournament to go to that. Ncaa tournament they clobbered when they got there. We haven't had a winning record. I think the decade. Yeah but i'm the bad guy. Because i said i'd rather drink beer and watch western michigan plague miami dayton's george washington sunday. I back toback back games for the flyers against gw dayton. I thought played pretty well against duquesne on wednesday night. They were great in the second half. Ab watson was sensational mainly because he made outside shots four of them from behind the arc. Jalen crutcher had a good game. flyers had ten threes. Eight tenths weird man. A thousand teams in the atlantic ten. We have a contest to see how many people can name all of them. They have fourteen right now. That are three and one two three and two The colonials are not one of those teams. There are three eight and frankly nobody cared about them. Since they had yankee. The xavier seton hall. Game tomorrow postpone. No makeup date announced musketeers. Our next scheduled. They're scheduled to play uconn in their next game. If it happens on wednesday the bearcats their game against tulane also postponed. They'll make that up on february. The twenty sixth the next time they have to late on the schedule. We'll be six pm on super bowl. Sunday the bearcats are scheduled to play at temple on wednesday indiana laws. Last night to purdue honest with you. I can't read my handwriting here. Rep proceeds pow goal. I think is what it says. I don't know what this says. I'm just like i did this last night. Re paul you know what. This is indiana. I'm tired of their team. Their reputation precedes. How good they are every single year. Every single year like a big ten team will beat indiana. Oh well you know what. It wasn't for purdue last night a good win. Purchase miller's team has not good. Here's the good news if you're a hoosiers fan. Hey this show is almost over. So i'm not going to be banging on your team anymore. Number two indiana is. They're not gonna play this weekend and after watching him last night. Having money on them last night. I think that's a good thing tearing. I didn't get to any of your audio clips. Because i'm late. Sorry my bad you know. This show started to devolve well before we launched into this segment. Anyway i use not gonna play michigan state. So maybe they can go to kalamazoo drink some of that beer papa. John's weekend tip off service of your locally owned and operated papa. John's stores use the promo code. Sin eight pages. Eight blocks eight cents for a large one topping. Pizza at papa. John's dot com. I mean my this is. This is how this is how miserable i am to work with. We start the show before the show tearing. And i mean i say hey. Give me some audio for the papa. John's weekend tip off. He goes overboard. He gives me some john calipari. He gives me some. Chris mac and i played neither sorry man. I've been in your shoes before. And when i was i wanted to murder the host so i get. Nfl playoffs this weekend. Air live on seven hundred. Wwl w the music means. I don't have much time. So i'm just gonna give them to you really quickly okay. Are you ready good. I like green bay laying the six and a half against the rams. Aaron rodgers is money against the spread. He's money at home against the spread and he's even more money coming off a bye. Ten five and one packers at thirteen and three twelve of those thirteen win. Came by at least seven points. And if you're betting on the rams you're betting on a quarterback with a broken thumb playing in the cold. I'm not doing that. Baltimore plus two and a half buffalo cannot stop the run. They couldn't against indy. Also can put pressure on their quarterbacks. If you can't get philip rivers to the ground you're not gonna get lamar jackson to the ground. I like cleveland. Gimme the ten points. This is a good team. Kansas city couldn't cover anything in the second half of the season. And i'm staying away from the spread in new orleans tampa bay but i like that game over fifty one and a half. I gotta go and k. You hoops up next. Have a good weekend. This is espn fifteen hundred.

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 450: Free Agency Moves Teams Should Have Made

GSMC Baseball Podcast

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 450: Free Agency Moves Teams Should Have Made

"Golden concept in baseball podcast. We cover everything major league from spring training. The theory got your favorite club cover from new york combat then to elan if the golden state media content baseball podcast. Hello everyone and welcome back to the gmc. Baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc. Podcast network. i'm your host jack right now. I've got a really good show planned out for today but folks the moment is finally here. We have spring training baseball. It was incredibly wonderful to see over the weekend. The spring training action see guys back out on the field. See fans in the stands. I was able to only catch a little bit of the action but nonetheless. It's good to see the guys back out on the field. The weather here in pittsburgh is changing a little bit so things are definitely on the up and up here which is always a good thing. I mean as i'm recording this it's sunny day and it's probably i would say the second or third sunny day that we've had in pittsburgh in the last month and that's not an exaggeration but anyways hope everyone is staying healthy and safe and is getting really excited for more baseball action as the spring training time ramps up and we got you know kind of get into the thick of the season and whatnot but anyways let's dive into this episode and i want to. I jump right into the latest news going around the mlb and discussed any free agency updates. That occurred over the past few days as well. Later on i'll get into sharing the moves teams have made or should have made. I should say during the offseason and ohio and highlight where they might have missed out on improving their lineup. Afterwards i'll get into discussing which free agents on their new teams are going to have the best seasons this year with the value that they bring to those teams. I'll share the teams. They are on. But also why i think they can have breakout years in their new roles and then be sure to stick around for the final few minutes of the show. Today as i'll get into discussing the moves. Teams will regret making this year and what the consequences could be of. These moves being made so a lot of things going on mostly about kind of moves and how teams are going to adjust with these new players. And if there's going to be any regrets any consequences any pleasant surprises so on and so forth because now we're starting to inch closer and closer to opening day. So i'll get into a little bit of free agency news to get things started. And then i'll get into a little recap of the last couple of days of spring training and whatnot but the market has been quiet with teams reporting a camp. And things kind of picking up if you will but there's still been some moves me towards the latter part of the week last week and i'll go through a couple of them just to highlight. First and foremost tyler clipper signed a one year two point. Two five million dollar deal with the arizona diamondbacks. I think this is a great get for the diamondbacks. Very effective relievers. Somebody who's actually although some might say. He has fallen on hard times of the player. I would argue that. I mean he still been very productive. I think he's been quietly productive. They add him they also add joakim soria to their bullpen. So that can be two huge sneaky moves i mean. They lost archie bradley in free agency. He's now over with the phillies. And so it makes me wonder okay. Soria and now clippers are stepping into the new roles for arizona. And this is a team that was not very good coming out of the bullpen. Last year they finished eighteenth and team era by their bullpen and twenty twenty so the diamond backs were looking to kind of rejuvenate. That a little bit. And i think getting story. A former all star getting clipboard. A former all star. Two guys that again. They're nowhere near the level of hall of fame players right. They're not going to go down as one of the greats of all time but there two players. That are very effective. Do a lot of really good things they're experienced and i think that's another thing that this diamondbacks team needs to have a little bit more of some more veteran leadership and i mean they were the diamondbacks for the most part. They were pretty quiet outside. Those two moves. And i mean obviously getting a struble cabrera. That is good. Getting a little bit more veteran hitting you might want wanna surround you know against some of the younger talent with those veterans kind of help them and guide them a little bit could tell morte he's not necessarily somebody. That has a seasoned veteran. He hasn't been around the league for a long time but they have oddly enough. Some decent pieces. Kole calhoun david peralta. That potentially could actually do a lot of wonders for this diamondbacks team. But i don't know if that's going to really do anything this year. I don't think these are gonna put them in the playoff conversation. I mean maybe they will. Maybe they will but again. I think that there is a lot more that the diamondbacks need to address them. Starting pitching obviously. I think that they might need a little bit of more heading for for the most part but definitely addressing that bullpen area was a smart move by them. 'cause clipper he pitched really well for the twins. Last year he had two point seven seventy array. He has a career three point one erase so again. Somebody who's been efficient his entire career. So that's always something that can really help out this diamondbacks team but then some other moves may been resigns with the cubs solid move. I think the help give an extra arm in the outfield for the cubs with jason heyward. Ian happened jock peterson. Because let's face it right. Jock peterson no disrespect to him. Very good head or great power hitter. He's been above eight hundred for an for most of his career. I would say not a great fielder and maybe it is a very good field so he could be somebody. That kind of spells peterson every now and again. If let's say. Peterson is struggling from the plate and in the field. And maybe he's a pretty. I would say a again productive player. He's not light years ahead of everybody. He's not going to be an mvp candidate but he batted two fifty last year when he got traded over to the cubs. And he's going to be a nice piece. I think in the few he might be kind of a sneaky player. That could really help them out down the road. And i'm sure that as time goes on and again peterson who if he's going to be that good of a field or this year because he has not played in the field for a full season in over a year. So that's definitely going to probably throw some guys off. That aren't very good. Fielders guys like john peterson. Call schwarzer guys. That aren't having been used to play in the field much. You know this might be a little bit of a rude awakening. Playing one hundred and sixty two games everyday starting in the outfield. So look he may have been possibly sneak his way into the starting lineup at some point i think he's going to be good for them but then also some other moves. Mitch moreland signed with the oakland athletics on a one year. Two point five million dollar deal. I think this is a great get for the athletics. I mean i've been saying this for months. They need some power and they desperately needed just outside of matt olsen. Outside of match matt chapman. They don't have really any other. I would say heavy hitters to go to in a in a time where you need a run to be scored mitch moreland. He brings that. He's a power bat and especially with. Chris davis not being there anymore. I think morlin can really fill that. Dhl very well. He's a decent fielder. Right i mean i. it's his fielding has seen a decline he's an overall still okay fielder but his fielding has definitely taken a little bit of a dip but matt olsen. He's one of the best fielding first basements in baseball so. I don't think there's going to be any warri with having to put morlin over at first because again you can just strictly d. h. him and i think that's going to be something that really helps because let's look at last year. He was with the boston red sox so in the al where the possible and he was hitting great. I mean he was above three hundred. Having a great season he goes to san diego and he sees a massive dip in his production. So i'm not gonna try and speculate. But i'm going to do it anyways. I'm gonna just say this right now. He clearly seems to be like a guy that wants to strictly hit right. Kind of a similar Situation with say a guy jesse winker right last year. He had a great season as a d. h. but years before that he wasn't that great because he had to play in the field last year because of the universal deage it allows guys that weren't having to play in the field so much really. I think expand their offensive game and mitch. Moreland was one of those guys. And i think that now the athletes have a formidable bat gary bat in their lineup that will produce some power. He's not great against lefties. So that is the one concern. I mean certain matchups might not look so great for the athletics. They put moreland in at designated hitter. But let's face it right. He brings a lot of power last year. He bought a two sixty five. Ten homers and twenty nine rb is so pretty solid efficient stat line. It's much better against righties. And i think that the as again they continue to minimize the spin. The spending they build a conflict teams. Because they don't go out and spend an arm and a leg and more for certain players and honestly. This is going to sound crazy. But i think that's actually a great way of going about it because look at teams that have paid an astronomical amount of money to certain players and they just don't pan out and so you wind up wasting money on guys that do not play well and then us again. You're still tied up with having to pay them. Maybe you have to buy them out of their contract trade them for maybe less less than what you got initially with that player so the way the athletics do it is. Hey you know what we're gonna to one to two year deals. We're not gonna pay the much so if they don't play well it's not like we're losing forty million dollars say like the dodgers who bauer is not good. This year could definitely be losing forty million dollars and so there's not a whole lot of i think risk in doing that now again on the other part of it. They're not going to make a huge world series runs. These are very small. Minute moves but who knows. Maybe there's a year where they wind up. Having kind of success story like the tampa bay rays have had in previous years. So i'm very curious to see how more does in oakland but overall lot of very interesting moves still being made. There's still a couple guys out on the free agency wire. You've got miquel franco. Who has yet to resign with. Team and quite frankly. I don't know how he hasn't done that yet. We've got jackie bradley. Jr. got some players that are still out there. That could definitely be swooped and taken for this upcoming season. But they're also kind of getting into spring training now getting out of the free agency frenzy. If you will. There are a few players. Who have i think seeing some early action spring training with their all or same teams but have a deeper appreciation for playing. It was actually a very interesting. How there was some very interesting story lines. Going around the first couple of days of spring training and some of these players were recognized for their return to the sport that they love first things. First trae manzini. He made an incredible comeback. I don't know if anybody saw it. But it was very warming to see the standing ovation. He got him back after having stage three colon cancer after again. I mean he. He got wind that after his twenty. Nine thousand nine year of huge year for him he was an all star has to sit out all of last year and can't play because he was going through chemotherapy and radiation and so on and so forth but now he has come back he was welcomed with a standing ovation and he actually was quoted saying he almost teared up with all of the appreciation of the fans and teammates and the even the opposing team and fans for the opposing team. Giving him kind of a warm standing ovation to welcome him back and he did single in his first at bat his first at bat back as well. So that's again progressing in the right direction. And the the the orioles are hoping that he's going to continue to steadily improve and kind of gradually build himself up so then once Opening day happens he can be playing every single day by mid march and there won't be any step are setbacks then another guy that also had a very scary situation occurred with him in the offseason pommie fan. He's come back after an offseason filled with fear. As i think a lot of us would probably call it. He was involved in a stabbing incident that required surgery for the san diego padres player and one hundred stitches to his lower back. The actually the doctor that performed that surgery said that if there wasn't an extra layer of muscle and he wasn't such a fit individual he might have had a a very very unfortunate outcome if we will In that situation if he did not have that extra. I guess cushioning or whatever it might have been. I'm not quite sure. But he said he felt very lucky to be alive and back playing baseball. He's co he commented. He wanted to build on last year's for performance that he had i was reading a very interesting article about him. He's a big time stat guy and he really read heavy into a lot of the stats really likes to break down and analyze his game big time and so he was talking about how you know last year batting. Two eleven with a six twenty four p. s. and negative defensive runs saved. That's not the player that he is. And i agree. i think. Tommy pham is a good baseball player. And i think that ultimately this padres team. I mean let's face it. This padres team is just beyond stacked at this point. And tommy fam- is kind of in my opinion possibly a reserve player on this team. That's an issue for other teams right. I mean you've got guys like fam- coming off the bench. And he could immediately do damage right. He could be a guy that comes in and pinch hits pinch runs and he can have an incredible impact on the game. And actually what's also very interesting is that fam- had a big part in the trade that sent blake snell over to san diego. The gm of the padres aj preller actually called him. They he called a tommy fam and asked him about blake. Snell tried to persuade him and then fans said absolutely like you need to go out and get this guy. One thing led to another and then all of a sudden trade happened. So an interesting instance where we see a player having a big time ceo a big time input on a on kind of front office managerial decision. If you will. And i think that's a great sign that players are starting to have a little bit more of a say in who's on their team and rightfully so. I think there should be some sort of conversation or communication from the management people and from everybody in the front office saying hey. This is who we want to have on our team. What you guys think right or who do you think should be in this situation. Who do you think we should add here. And i think it's going to be a very special year for two players who have clearly seen some major setbacks and major kind of on the verge of some major redemption stories as well i mean manzini fighting cancer stage three colon cancer so nothing you know something. That's very scary. No joke to mess around with. And he's come back and he seems to be in good spirits. In good health and fam- i mean nearly losing his life in a stabbing incident. Having a hundred stitches. I couldn't even imagine one hundred stitches in my back. And he's come back full force ready to rock and roll so a lot of really positive things. I think from the first couple of days of spring training but actually speaking of spring training. Let's just wrap up this segment just sharing a couple of players that have early on caught my eye in particular and my attention in that i think are playing pretty well very early on in this spring training so going back. Sunday casten hero. He had a great game on sunday against the white sox. A three run homer gregory polanco for the pirates. He had a three run homer on sunday. The orioles miguel. No which was really good to see snow back in the kind of his old self. You will hit a two-run double on sunday versus the red sox austin meadows again. Another guy that after a great twenty nineteen salsa major setbacks in two thousand twenty two run home run on sunday versus the braves and then monday. I mean gary sanchez. He absolutely sent a missile out to center field of a home run. He had a huge homerun on monday versus the tigers. Trevor bauer was also on the mound for in his dodgers debut struck out to dodgers in. That debut. looked really good too. I mean his curveball was coming. There was a couple of replays of it on sportscenter. And i mean. That's a scary curveball. 'cause it breaks at the very last second movement is insane. If i'm not mistaken. He had one of the top spin rates in all of baseball last year. So he's the guy that not only he'll he'll he'll definitely pumps some some serious heat. But at the same time he's got great off-speed stuff and as a result he can really fool a lot of guys from the plate and then also show you tani. He went two for three on monday versus the white sox so good to have him back in the lineup. Especially if you're the angels and he's a very interesting case right. He's somebody that can do a little bit of everything he can hit. He can field and he's a really good pitcher and that's what makes him so unique is that you can have him as a pitcher but also a hitter me personally and this might be a an unpopular opinion. But i think you should just have him stick to one or the other. I think that versatility could actually hurt him. Because we've seen in the past. He has been injury ridden. He's had issues with his arm with his shoulder. And let's face it when you're pitching and then you're heading. It's two totally different motions on your body but you're using somewhat of the same muscle groups and so i can see why there might be an extra warrant hair here an extra wear and tear their. Because that's just i mean. That's a lot of torque on your arm over and over again especially if let's say one day he's pitching the next day they say. Hey we're putting you in the lineup. That's a quick turnaround. Especially if he throws eighty plus pitches on tuesday and then he goes up to Up to the plate and baths for four different at baths the next day on wednesday. That's a very quick turnaround so it was good to see him kind of back into the full swing of things if you will but overall first couple of days of spring training again. I'm recording this. On tuesday march second so a whole bunch more of baseball to come our way and we've got just about a month until opening day so i'm very excited. I actually just saw and got wind that the pittsburgh pirates are going to be allowing fans in the stands this year which is very exciting thing for me personally because i love going to baseball games. I'm not necessarily a huge pirates fan. But i love going to pnc park. So when i got. I saw that i was. I texted a bunch of friends. And i said hey we've got to make sure we go to. Pnc park this year. We cannot miss out on that. I think the capacity is twenty percent in the pennsylvania. State governor said it was a twenty percent outside capacity for sporting venues and fifteen for inside sporting venue. So hopefully by the time summer rolls around that that twenty percent maybe goes up a little bit more but all in all some really good stuff. And i think the news segment on the gmc baseball podcast for my episodes are going to start changing a little bit with all the games that are going to become definitely going to share some of the top performers of the weeks to share some of the highlights of the week as well and just some of the standout players overall from spring training and as we work our way into the the opening day on april. First and then once that happens it's going to be force all the updates and latest rundowns and the entire league from what goes on from that point moving forward so folks that's gonna do it for us in our first segment but don't go anywhere because when i get back from the commercial break i'm going to get into the moves that team should have made this offseason and where these teams may have gone wrong during the offseason folks. Stay right there. We'll be right back here on the gmc baseball podcast. The ultimate dopfer. Everything sport golden state media concepts sports pod cash. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba to mma in all in here the golden state media concepts sports podcasts. Live within welcome back to the gmc baseball podcast. Jack right now with you. All an inner first segment got into some of the recent news going around the league but also gave a little update on spring training and sheriff from top performers through the first couple of days down in florida. But make sure you stick around for the final few minutes of the show. Today as i'll get into the different moves made by teams that those teams will most likely regret making in the off season. I wanna now get into sharing. What moves certain teams should have made and why they weren't made and what might be on the horizon for them this season since those particular moves were not carried out so i wanna. I started out in the nfl central with the saint. Louis cardinals. this is a team that i feel. They made one huge move arguably one of the biggest moves and all the free agency. And that was it very very. I would say after getting aeronautica and i think they. They really missed out on getting more help. In the outfield they had a combined to ten hitting between harrison. Baiter dexter fowler and tyler. O.'neil last year coming from their outfield. That's not good. That's not playoff baseball. If you ask me. They eat their way into the playoffs last year. Because the al central was not very good. I mean let's face it. The brewers made it on a losing record so they did not have a whole lot of competition to go up against and they lose dexter fowler. And they don't really make any ads in the outfield. Let's face it dexter fowler. He was not going to get the job done from the plate. He's already actually. I feel like struggled a little bit early on in spring training with the angels but the hitting just non existent out in the outfield. And i think that you know. They don't have much on their bench. Either right they don't have anybody that's gonna come off the bench and is going to be very effective. No one who played in at least ten games in a reserve role last year batted above two fifty so they have no help in terms of outfield hitting and hitting either i mean they have literally none ensure bringing aeronautica was a big deal. I mean we all knew that was going to be a huge move. I mean the rockies had discussed shopping him around and possibly dealing him and they did. And i mean they had to get fifty million dollars over to the cardinals just to pay a little bit of that humongous contract he has but it was one of the top heavy moves in baseball. Meaning you know. They brought in a huge talented guy with whole lot of ability. And then after that. They didn't do anything at all. And i think dylan carlson is young and could become a few solid future outfielder for them but baiter and o'neill or average at best hitters but they are good fielders and they are good baserunners. I will give them that. I just feel like this is a team that it really relies on goldschmidt and nada. And i wonder if this team is going to kind of have a similar effect that the nationals had last year where they only have two guys that really do anything and then everybody else is bad. Everybody else is literally a nonfactor on that team. And i think what's to be also very interesting to see is just if anybody else can step up in the lineup. I mean the only three players last year bat above two fifty in the starting lineup. Little i mean again. I mentioned off the bench but in the starting lineup. They didn't even have anybody. That was an impactful hitter. And one of those players is gone in colton wong and so i feel like yes. They did kind of address some of the infield issues but it was only at the third base position right wong a shortstop second base guy a middle infielder and i think that they did kind of i would say fix that hole a little bit. I mean things are still leaking in the outfield. And it's not getting any better. So i think they're going to regret not getting any outfield hitting. I mean let's face it look at a team like the chicago cubs. They went out and got jock peterson for a one year. Eight million dollar deal. I think that they went into this. So heavy with wanting rinaldo and wanting to make a huge splash that they kind of handcuff themselves and they couldn't spend it all after that. They actually went over their budget that they had initially set out for and so as a result. I think it's set them back a little bit for the rest of their off-season spending and again it kind of hand tied them with what they could do. They could only air nado and again. They had to have help from another team to try and pay off some of this huge contract. He has so. I think they're going to regret not getting any more help out in the outfield but then another team. That is going to be a contender. They will be good. What i do question if this is going to affect their long-term run towards the playoffs and once they get into the playoffs. Because i guarantee you. This team will make the playoffs unless something just drastic happens in the next three months but the blue jays getting more starting pitching. I just don't think that they did that. They finished in the bottom half and the last year and team. Era with a four point. Six total era and outside of high were you. They don't have anybody really to rely on the added. Tommy malone on a minor league deal. He's coming off a year where he was absolutely rocked both in baltimore and atlanta hit a six point six era a one point five six whip which is horrendous and in thirty nine innings as well so who knows if he'll even make the roster if if aleve make the forty man active roster they added robbie ray i mean he's got potential but he wasn't an impressive last year right. I mean when he went from the diamondbacks to the blue jays. Actually that's when he you know saw little bit of an improvement but after that i mean it still wasn't great. His area was even below four before he was in arizona. It was above seven so it did drop down significantly but it will still not that great. The the only other pitcher in their starting rotation that has sub three era other than high engine. Were you from last. Year is two one walker. And he's not even on the team anymore. And i just feel like tanner roar who had a six point. Eight era in twenty twenty. match shoemaker. Hit a four point seven so hovering around five and two thousand twenty. They're for the most part. What is left from last year starting rotation and i think that chase anderson also being gone freed up another spot on their rotation. He did not have a very good year. Either i mean looking at if you looked at their starting rotation from a year ago it would be a big head scratcher as to how even found themselves in the playoffs and i think what set them back from going far in the playoffs is the same thing that the white sox ran into no depth. The pitching you can only do so much with all the hitting in the world. It's kind of the old saying defense wins championships. Right and i know it's a very cliche thing to say in sports but again let's remind everybody. The offense will only do so much because if your defense allows the other team to score just as many runs if not more. It's not going to really make a difference if your offense put up a lot of runs that day because their defense could not hold the other team. So i think that they had a lot of addressing to do with the starting pitching. I will say they did do a nice job with the with the relief. Pitching for the most part. Obviously getting some hitting and getting george springer is a huge ad. But i don't know if they added enough starting pitching to be a world series team. They're hitting is going to make them a bedtime playoff contender and honestly some team. That i could see possibly winning the al eastern maybe even winning the al and going to the world series but in terms of actually going and getting to the world series and then once they if they were to get their winning it and going far and competing. I just don't know if they've got the pitching to do that. And i think they're going to regret not getting more starting pitching. I mean let's face it. A guy like jayco tarizi would have been perfect to go get and they probably can't go and get them because they've got a again. A lot of money tied up with george springer and they did make some other moves as well. But i think that they are going to definitely you know they're going to be kicking themselves by the end of the year that they didn't get more starting pitching and another team in the same division. I think is going to really regret. Not getting more. Starting pitching the tampa bay rays very similar to the blue jays. They did not add any starting pitching back and the blue jays. That didn't really lose a whole lot of starting pitching. At least they didn't lose much impactful. Starting pitching i would say cheese. Anderson didn't really do anything that special one walker was very very important piece to their success. But i mean outside of that. It wasn't really a whole lot. That was lost. There's just nothing was gained. What the raise. They lost a lot and they didn't really gain anything. That's special they lost blake. Snow and charlie morton and they do bring back ryan yarbrough. And i. I do ryan yarborough. I think he had a solid twenty twenty season three point five year. A forty four ks. He was third on the team. Actually in and was second on the team in innings pitched with fifty five so clearly. He's the guy is going to be very successful right. And i know that they went out. The added chris archer what. We haven't seen much of chris archer for the time that he was in pittsburgh. He wasn't active the whole time he was injured and when he was playing he was not very good. He was not good. He is a strikeout or homerun pitcher. It's one or the other. And i don't know if this is going to be the same chris archer that had the career years he had in tampa bay before he left and went to pittsburgh where he was striking out. Two hundred and twenty-five guys he was he was absolutely just lighting guys up left and right. I don't know if that's the same. Chris archer that we've seen in previous years and it's a limited payroll so i really didn't see them getting anyone huge. Obviously but you trade away snow. And i don't think they should have done that. But again they make interesting moves all the time and somehow it works out for them so they must know something that i don't clearly because they're in the position to make the team so as a result i can only look at it from the outside point of view they did add richhill and i think that's a good ad for some for some veteran pitching but you go on and get a guy like michael walk who we're going to hear about in a little bit here. I'm not a big fan of walker. I don't think he's that good. I mean now you've replace snell and more than with guys like richhill who i will say is very comparable to charlie morton for the most part. Although i think that morton is a little bit of a better playoff pitcher i mean let's face it. He's been one of the best playoff pitchers the last couple of years. But then you also replace them with guy. Chris archer who is i think on the last leg of his career and then you also get a guy like michael walk. Who is coming off a horrendous year and ever since two thousand sixteen he's only had one year where his era was below four every other year. It's been well above it. So i don't know if they have the pitching that can make them that successful team. They were last year and again they went to the world series. And i'm going to give them all the credit in the world for doing that right. It was a sixty game season and even for the dodgers even for a lot of the teams that went to the playoffs. Sixty games is a small sample. Size of an entire season would be like a lot of teams after sixty seventy eighty ninety one hundred games. They start to fall apart. We've seen it time and time again. Where teams have these horrendous. Second half collapses after the all star break this that and the other and they can't bring themselves out of that hole and so i do wonder that if it had been a full season would the raise gone to the world series. Would they have been successful as they were last year with. The dodgers have gone to the world series. That's another question. I mean we have seen the padres in the yankees all of a sudden. Just turn up the notch you know. Come the eighty ninety game mark if there had been a full season and we would not be talking about the raise in the daughters in the world series at all so i think the raise they should have gone out and gotten more pitching. Maybe what they're hoping. Is that some of these guys do perform. Well they can trade them for younger talent. That could maybe benefit them. Maybe not necessarily this year but the following year. So it's something to monitor. It's something definitely to pay attention to what another team that i think is going to regret. Some of the lack of the moves that they made in the offseason or the rockies not adding more hitting i mean plain and simple. They didn't add much and they got rid of quite a bit right. I don't think you know. Getting rid of aeronautica was a terrible idea. Because i know that he wasn't happy he was owed a lot of money so we will smart for them to deal him and they don't have to pay that astronomical contract yeah they did have to fork over fifty million dollars to the st louis cardinals. But you know what now. You don't have to worry about that. Huge pay hit every single year. They also daniel murphy to retirement. But daniel murray daniel murphy was on the the absolute last leg of his career. I mean he was very successful. I will give him that. He had a lot of success but he just it was. It was kind of the end of his career. You could kind of tell tony walters also not there anymore. They do bring back. Elliot's diaz who. I really like i think is very good catcher slash first baseman. However you wanna flow them around. David doll also did not bring him back. So three players who are capable of hitting murphy again was a little bit older walters much but david doll was an all star in two thousand nineteen so that is something to pay attention to. How are they going to kind of bounce back from losing that the hitting but also losing a guy like air no. That's a huge huge void in that lineup and they have a lot of prospects coming up. I'm going to give them that. They've got a lot of. I think potential successful years ahead of them with the players that they have coming up through their farm system. But i could see maybe why they tried to free cap space up. Maybe because they want to try and keep guys like trevor story around. I mean story is going to be in a free agent after the season so come the offseason twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty two. He's going to be up for grabs in so maybe they were thinking. Hey you know what does not really in for the long haul. He's not really happy. We're paying him too much money we'd might as well just ship them off somewhere. We can save a lot of money and maybe we can convince trevor story to stick around. And maybe you can build a little bit of a talented team around him and take some of that younger talent that they have brewing in their farm system and bring them up really trying surround him with some better players. I will say they did have some pleasant surprises. Last year raimondo tapia. He had a very good year for them. Ben three twenty one in fifty one games and then obviously charlie. Blackmon helps out tremendously there. But i just don't think that there was enough hitting added back to the team after all of the loss that there was aaronow there but again aeronautic makes up a good bit of that loss hitting. And i think that also with ian desmond not being there. That's another power bat in the lineup. That won't be right now the with the team in plain so that could also hinder them. So i i just don't know what to think of this team. I think that you know they try to convince story to stick around. They're going to have to really build a winning team around him and they're going to have to go out and get that personnel to do that in order to do that. They're going to have to either trade or go out and spend a quite a quite a bit of money to try and bring in that talent because let's face it. It's gonna come with a cost. So i definitely think they'll regret not adding more hitting their lineup. And then also. I think the red sox is another team that i feel like. They didn't add enough hitting in the outfield. And i know that's kind of ironic. Because they do add hunter renfrow and hunter renfrow does have the potential to go off for thirty plus homers. But let's face it. You also traded away andrew benintendi and i feel like they held on an andrew benintendi for well too long. They tried to give him time and time again. Chance and chance again and he does not seem to fit the bill for them and then they have not resigned. Jackie bradley jr. and who knows where he'll maybe. He resigned them. But i don't think so. I will say and i remember when they made a trade for mookie betts to go to the la and then they got alex purdue go in exchange a friend of mine that is a huge red sox fan absolutely livid by that and i get. That was the year after. They won the world series. I believe i think. I think that's the mvp that year in the al. And you know he. Kind of saw alex berdugo acquire meant and he was not happy about that. And i remember. Verdun had a really good year. That year and i said hey man. He's going to be good. He's going to be a very very good player. I you might be having somebody that you could keep on your team for the next ten years and you could build a team around him and sure enough. He batted three last year with an eight. Forty four zero p. s. So i think for do though is a very big bright spot. In the outfield hunter. Renfrow does bring a pretty heavy back for the most part and i will say in the andrew benintendi trade. They might have found a gem. In my opinion in france cordeiro. He's got a lot of pop in his bat. I know he did not have much time in kansas city. He was injured here and there but when he was with the san diego padres he did put on. I would say pretty solid. You know showing for the most part and i think that's again a big sign kind of look at so i. I do wonder if how they're going to adjust to. Not having as much outfield hitting as they've had in the past and i think that i mean renfro hitting one fifty six last year and slugging three ninety three and that's not good. That is not good at all. After i mean eventually got dea fade by the tampa bay rays got designated for assignment and as a result. You know he wasn't really doing a whole lot so and not to mention. He's terrible against righties in his career. He does pretty well against lefties but he bought the to sixteen in his career against lefties versus to fifty eight. Or excuse me back to sixteen against righties in his career and bats fifty eight against lefties in his career so a big difference between lefties and righties renfro and. i just don't know if that's what they need. I think they needed somebody a little bit more consistent a little bit more reliable and ultimately. I think this is an appeal that you they'll be in maybe in a few years but right now. I don't think it's going to be anything that's spectacular. I think you know obviously them knowing that. Jj was going to be a free agent. They went out and grabbed a decent outfielder for a good price. Which i mean. Let's face it. Money's never an issue for boston right. I don't think anybody can can disagree with that. They've got one of the highest payrolls and all of baseball. They spend some of the most amount of money on their players. So going out and spending money was not going to be an issue and maybe what they're trying to do is say. Hey we can try and get these quality guys these productive guys for a low price. Maybe build the team up a little bit and hope that one of them has a really good breakout season and we could use them as trade bait. I mean that would be a strategy. That i would personally used as. Hey we'll sign you for a two year deal or one year deal. Spent give you kind of eight to ten million dollars per year give you twelve million for two years whatever it might be and if you have a really good season after the first year maybe you try and trade them and get some other pieces but ultimately i think there were some moves that should have been made by certain teams and they weren't unfortunately but nonetheless it. We're gonna see how it plays out this year because again we've got baseball in less than a month folks so it's going to be coming up very very quickly. So we'll find out very soon how these off season or lack of offseason moves by these teams kind of. Hey you know. Turn out and pan out this upcoming season so close things out here for us in our second segment on the gmc baseball podcasts. Thanks again for tuning in coming up after the commercial i'm going to select a witch free agents on new teams. I think we'll have huge seasons and really have the best seasons. They've had in quite some time for their new ball clubs but also for the value that they bring to their teams. It's been a lot of fun so far folks but we have a lot more to go so don't change that channel. We'll be right back here on the gmc baseball. Podcast hired alerting the vast jungle of podcast. Listen close and here without the their the podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. 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We'll have the best seasons on their new respective teams and could thrive for their new ball clubs but more importantly they could bring the most amount of value with the skill set. They bring the team that they are currently on. So this is not necessarily. The george springer is of the world and the jt mu toes and this that and the other this is these are guys that are still good players for the most part. They're not superstars but they are good players. That should be respected a little bit more and they bring a lot of value to a team that clearly i think needs their their abilities and their talents on their roster to make them a very at least respectable baseball team. So i i wanna get into david doll. The with the texas rangers now used to colorado rockies. I think this is a player that has been gradually building up to having a really really good career again. I don't know if he's necessarily gonna ever be an mvp candidate. But i mean he's got a lot of time to to to kind of figure that one out. I mean he's only been in the league for about four years now. He missed twenty seventeen with an injury. He's had a little bit of an injury issue in previous years in his career especially last season when he was a rookie in only sixty three games. He batted three fifteen. He batted two seventy three two thousand eighteen. The they a career high twenty nine hundred nine three. Oh two so. He had a very very good solid run in colorado. He was an all star in two thousand nineteen. And this is. I mean his his career. War is not great right at one but he still has a lot of upside to him as a hitter. And one of many lefties in this rangers lineup. So i think that could also be a major issue for a lot of right handed starters that they've got just another formidable lefty to have to go up against and somebody that i think that could really do a lot of damage. I think that you know we with a full season and a healthy year for him as well. He can definitely have a big bounce back season and possibly he could be one of the best performers to come from this free agency market and he's also in a weaker division. I mean he's he's on a team that or he's he The only team in the al to actually finish in the west or excuse me in the al west of finished in the top ten for iran's a team was the aids so the only had one team in the division last year that was any good at pitching and that was the oakland athletics. Every other team was thirteenth or lower. So right there that tells you he's not gonna necessarily be challenged. I would say so much. And i think that he's going to actually have a lot easier time hitting and being successful in texas than he might have had in the west. I won't again. I won't say that he'll be an mvp. But an all star yeah. I could see that absolutely happening. I think he'll be a huge huge. Get it for them in the long run because he brings a lot of hitting to this lineup. They need hitting. I mean they had numerous guys that hit below two hundred on their starting lineup below. Two hundred not even just below two fifty but below two hundred. And i think you put him joey gallo to really good left handed hitters on the same lineup. You could also spread them out a little bit and you can space them out throughout the lineup. So that's gonna just add a little bit more depth for this team. And i think that david doll when i saw him get signed by the rangers and my immediate reaction was now that is a great move. That is going to be something that pays off. I think and honestly. I hope that i'm not wrong because i would really love to see doll. Have a turnaround season after twenty. Twenty where he did not play. Well he did have some injuries. He had a battle through. So i would like to see kind of get back to his twenty nine self but then another move. That was very quiet honestly. I'm kind of shocked. I did not see this one very under the radar. Derek dietrich going to the new york yankees and this is an interesting pick because well. He's a home run hitter plain and simple. And when you're playing for the bronx bombers that's going to help you out of big time big time and now i know a lot of people are probably confused on why i picked him but let's remember that he's going to be playing in the al for the first time in his career he's never played in the al before he's always been an nfl guy so as a result he's always had to play in the field and hit and like i mentioned in my first segment. There are guys out there and ivy. I even mentioned a little bit. My second segment there are guys out there that have a really ex- excelled and has have succeeded at a very high level when they've just gone straight to aging and they've gone completely away from playing both in the field and at the plate and they just strictly stick to hitting. They've seen an incredible jump in their career. So derek dietrich i think is a prime candidate to be somebody that could be an effective d. h. Somebody that puts a lot of runs and not to mention. It's just another home. Run hitter on this lineup. That's got gary sanchez. Who like i mentioned already has had a two run homer in this spring training. So far you've got a guy like aaron judge. You've got a guy like john carlos. Stanton you've got guys like geo your shelhah and you got guys that can all hit the ball long and hard and i think that derek dietrich does that exact same thing so moved by brian cashman to go out and get him and like i said he can d. h. Finally so. I think that he could slide right on into the. And how could. I forget. Luke void as well. So that's another homerun hitter. That could be a huge huge guy. That derek deeter kind of takes a little bit off the attention away from and derek is going to then i think as a result have a little bit more media towards him. And he's a guy that i mean. He's a fiery player. He likes to play with a lot of passion and a lot of just aggressiveness. You can tell. Just when he's up at bat he has no problem staring down batter or staring down a pitch or whatever it might be. And i think that attitude kind of works well with this yankees team right and so i think that he might mash very well with his team in the last two years. He's been injury ridden. There's no question about that. And he's battled below two hundred in each of those last two years but in the last six years he's at least seven hundred and fifty or higher and he's only had one season in the last six years whereas opium plus wasn't above one hundred so right there that tells me this guy can definitely hit and he can hit for a lot of power and i don't think he's going to be an all star but for a lineup that again features guys like john. Carlos stanton judge void sanchez. He's a nice fifth option and not to mention a very ideal candidate so i think that he could actually be a jain normal addition for them as we get into the season and he clearly has a high strikeout potential. That is one of the big issues with him. he had a career. High twenty eight percent k rate in two thousand twenty. What his home. Run percentage was also a career high. Twenty twenty six point seven percent in his walk percentage was also the highest. It's been in his career at twelve percent. It had actually never been the double digit range before that. So although his strikeouts are up his walks and his home runs up and again. I'm going to keep saying it over and over again. He's in the al he can d- age and as a result. I think that's gonna make his life a lot easier because he can just focus on hitting. So i think derek dietrich is going to be a really pleasant surprise for the new york yankees but then another guy that i felt was a great addition for this team was adam duvall getting picked up by the miami marlins and what i like about. This is the power potential. He brings to miami. Miami ranked twenty third team opium in twenty twenty and duval. He's been above eight hundred last two years. he's also put up thirty plus home run numbers in his career before he hit thirty. Three in two thousand sixteen and thirty one in two thousand seventeen he was an all star in two thousand sixteen so he's got a lot of potential and this is the marlins team that when you look at their team nobody really i would say jumps out at you. Hey suzanne short. He's he's a big power guy. I'll give you that. You've also got guys like sterling morte short. He's got a little bit of a pop in his bat and he has good center fielder but somebody that is a strict power hitter and somebody that brings a ton of pop and somebody that really will produce a lot of offensive runs. Those another thing this miami team. I felt they won a lot of the times on good defense. Great pitching and just just barely getting by with the hitting and now. They've got a guy that i think like duval who can put some separation between them and other teams when it's a close ballgame and they clearly need the power bat and duval was cheap. Pick up for them so they could have probably gotten a big bang for their buck there with getting somebody who has a lot of potential high ceiling. But you didn't have to pay an arm and a leg for him and they actually. Miami had only one player in double digit figures for home runs last year and in all honesty duval. He would have led the team in the category. He had about sixteen homers. I believe so. We had a huge season from the plate. And he's the clearly a math edition. I mean this miami team. I felt that they were not really making any moves towards bettering that that roster that lineup per se but then going out and getting duval i think that was a great step in the right direction and not to mention again. I think he could be one of the best players on their new respective teams this year for the value he brings because he brings a lot of power. And that is what. Miami is missing just like derek dietrich. They probably need somebody at the d. h. position. Because you've got sanchez. Behind the plate you've got void at first and honestly dietrich could also spell voight for a little bit at i if need be so. That's another good thing about it. And then david doll. He's the guy that there's no question that the rangers need heading. They want to add more lefty hitting and that's why they did. They got they went out. And that's the value. That doll brings. And i think he could be one of the best players in free agency for that value so so far those guys. I think are really big. It's but getting in the last couple of guys this one is. I think one of the most necessary moves that had been made for this fourteen in all of baseball. Because of just how atrocious there al filled was. And that's the cleveland indians. Going out and getting ben gamble gamble had a pretty successful run in milwaukee. I will give him that. It was more so in kind of a reserve role. And so i think that in cleveland. He's going to step up into a starter's role more so and this team flat out needs hitting in the outfield. Besides eddie as as that main edition that they had in the outfield losing francisco in the door. That's a big loss. That's a huge hole that they'll have in their lineup and so i think that they needed to go out and address them. Al fueled hitting and this is an outfielder that you know. He's he's proven himself. Before in all honesty last year the indians they were fourth. They had the had a the fourth lowest oh. Ps by an out by an outfield. So they're field was the fourth lowest across the board in all of major leagues during loop blow. He was dismal. I mean he did not have a very very good year at all and he actually funny enough even though he did not have a good year he had the highest. Ps out of all of the outfielders on the indians and a six sixty three clip. Where ben gamble. He's a career seven twenty guy so almost a whole hundred points higher in his career and gamble probably would have been easily the leader in in the outfield last year. He also brings a good glove. And i think that also fit their needs. They clearly wanted to bring in some Fielding because they lose a guy like door who's got a great glove don't have carlos santana there anymore. So you lose some patience at the plate. And i think that you could even though get gamble right. Now i feel like might start. He could be great reserve guy he could be somebody that comes off the bench for them. And is that spark that you know in close ballgame in the bottom of the inning pinch heads and he gets a huge single or he gets a huge walk or whatever it might be. That's what ben game will will do for you. And i think that he's going to bring some life to that outfield. Eddie rosario clearly will also but ben gamble was a sneaky. Really good for them. And i'm not saying he'll be an all-star either but he could be very very solid player for a team that could actually and he could even be the tipping point that makes this team a solid competitor in the al central as well. So i'm going to be paying close attention to kind of how things work out in in cleveland with ben gamble and how he's going to progress and if he can actually have the impact that i think he will be because i generally think he could be one of the best players to come out of this free agency market in terms of what the value he brings. He brings some power hitting that al field and they need that desperately. They had a negative win above replacement last year They had actually excuse me that. A negative wins above average last year in the outfield. For cleveland minus. Three point three the second lowest in all of major league so they are going to definitely need to heighten that outfield in some way somehow and they clearly did that with getting gamble so the next guy. I wanted to discuss jeremy jeffries. I think jeffress is going to be a big time. You know addition add get whatever you wanna call it for the washington nationals. Because he's one of the best set up guys. In baseball my opinion he was one of the top set up guys when he was in milwaukee coming off a year where he had a one point five four era twenty three and a third innings in two hundred and ninety two. Era plus not to mention. He was up for the nfl reliever of the year award so he has a great track record that he brings to washington and this was bowl pendant needed a makeover needed that desperately hannah rainy and kyle finnegan where the only relievers last year for the nationals. That had under a three era knowing was under two so jeffers would have led the team in that category. And when you've got a closer in daniel hudson that had over a six era. I can see why they wanted to go on. And get brad hand but i can really see now why they went out and got jeffers because they need a good setup guy to to kind of lay the groundwork for brad hand when he comes in now jefferson was signed to a minor league deal so the nats only have one remaining spot on their roster jefferson. I think could definitely get it. I would be shocked if he didn't and in all honesty i've seen a lot of things where they actually might go with eight relievers coming out of the pen this year so they might try and expand that roster a little bit. What if not. They're definitely going to try. And add an extra arm coming out of the pen and jefferson was incredible. In terms of barrel per batted ball rate. He was in the ninety first percentile at the three point. Five percent so guys are not making good contact when he's in the game at all he's not a guy that's going to have a huge fly ball rate. He's going to be a ground ball guy he's going to make them have to hit the ball on the ground and as a result they're not going to get great launch angle the not gonna get great elevation and they're not going to be able to barrel up balls and as a result. I think it's going to do a lot of wonders for this nationals bullpen. Especially in the division. There i mean let's face it. There's going to be a lot of guys that are going to have really high barrel rates in the east this year a lot of big time hitters and i think that getting a guy like jeffers who really limits that and really forces guy to struggle from the plate and especially in making solid contact. I think that was a very smart move for the nationals. And now his fastball has seen a little bit of a dip. I will say that. But he's been using a splitter much more and he's limited opposing batters to a sub two hundred average when he's used both pitches last year so even though his fastball dip down he's still getting guys out and using a splitter using more of kind of widespread repertoire of bitching i think he's gonna make him an even better pitcher in all honesty. I think it could expand his game a little bit and he's been in the league for quite some time. I think he's got a little bit of time. Left at him and this is going to be an interesting national team to watch. And so i think we should pay close attention to jeffords because i think he could be again one of the really really high points in this free agency market in terms of what he brings to that team. Because this was a move that i think a lot of teams probably would have wanted to make end the nationals. Were just the. I want to do it. So the last guy. I wanted to discuss that. I think could be arguably one of the best players and out of this free agency market based on the value he brings again. And i'm gonna keep reiterating that because it's not necessarily the george springer and the james mccann's and the marcelo zuma's and this that and the other it's not necessarily that it's what these guys bring to the table for this team for their respective teams. And what those respective teams are lacking and why they had to go out and get those players so thomas stella for the giants those a lot of different things one of the things this. This is a team that is going to be losing quite a bit of their infield next couple years. If not in the next year brandon crawford will be up for free agency. Same thing with brandon belt so they need somebody in the outfield to kind of or excuse me in the infield to change things up a little bit to kind of give them a little bit of a cushion before they can bring up other guys so they can go out and get guys that will be there for the long haul and this is i one of the biggest pickups from the free agency market obvious you know kind of ironically if you will because he was one of the best pickups in the trade deadline last year when he went from the angels to the athletics he went from hitting two seventy three in la two to eighty nine in oakland so even though he was hitting well he still had a huge jump in production. And i think that he's a guy that can play all over the infield. He's very versatile you can put him at third. You can put him at second. You can put at short. I was reading something that they actually might. Now move donovan. Solano back to the bench and in a reserve role and i think that's foolish. I think that they should put solano. And thomas de out there donovan. Solano had a tremendous year last year. He was one of the best hitters in the nfl west. And i think that you know. Obviously let's stellar won't bring a whole lot of you know power but again it's just his consistency that he brings. He will come to the ballpark every single day. Ready to go and he's going to bring a lot of energy but more importantly he can do a lot of different things he can field. He can hit he can throw. You can put him anywhere in the air in the infield and. I think that could actually help them fix their issues for next year. Can maybe give them a cushion and give them a little bit of time until they kind of figure out where they want to go in the infield because the the clock is ticking for them right. I mean we already know that. There's going to be guys that are going to be off the team. This is not necessarily the team of the early twenty tens anymore. And i think that's are trying to rebuild and they're trying to of get back to where they were before and i think thomas stella might be a piece that could really help them in the long run he could be a guy that kind of is almost as david. Freeze esque like player. That is a huge impact. The best time possible and you didn't really get him for much right and he's he's one of the biggest you know. Bang for your bucks if you will in free agency. So i think that this is a tremendous get for the giants. I'm really excited to kind of see how he fares in san francisco. Somebody that has been in the al west a lot. Not necessarily in the west. So it'll be interesting to see how he adjusts to all of this strong pitching that there is in that division but ultimately there's a lot of guys that i think we are not really paying attention to but they could be some of the best gets from the free agency market because of how much they will help their new teams the the value that they bring the impact that they bring and also what those teams were missing right. I mean the marlins for example missing that power hitting you go on and get duval one year five million dollar deal. I mean how much more perfect can you get. So i think this is going to be interesting to see how some of these guys really fair and their new teams and if they can actually be those impact players so that'll do it for this segment folks but thanks for sticking around as a stay right there because we be right back after this commercial break for the final segment today. We're all getting into what moves teams might regret making in the long run and which moves could actually come back to bite them. Squads as the year goes on. Don't go anywhere everyone because we have one last segment here on the gmc baseball podcast. One another late than docker that listened to the golden state media concept soccer podcast from m. l. at the world and the premier league. We've got you covered a latest update hottest matches and news on the league's top player at the gold. They'd media concept soccer podcast. Lift them now Hey everyone and welcome back for the final segment here on the gmc baseball podcast. Jack rhino are still with you in the previous segment. I jumped sharing. Which players from free agency are going to have the best seasons with the value. They bring to their new team. But i want to now discuss which moves. I think it could be big. Time regrets for certain teams and which moves. They might wish they didn't have you know make once the season does start and we get into the thicket the thick of season and kind of into the regular season play as we go down towards the season. Because there's a lot of moves that were very very very big time head scratchers for me. I felt that there are some players that might be getting second. Third fourth chances. That should not be getting second chances and as a result i think that the could be moved that you know we could see these guys going down to the minors. We could see these guys getting released. We could see these guys getting traded. Because they're just not going to pan out in my personal opinion. So the first guy i want to discuss is mike fulton edge going to the rangers. I remember when this happened right. I remember when they got chris davis. I said that's great. that's great. Get david doll. That's great get. Mike fulton average though not a big fan of it. I'm not a big fan of it because the rangers pitching his already fin. You're getting a guy that has been injury in the last couple of years. He has not been good since twenty eighteen. He wasn't now's the time he was an all star and that was the last time he was good. And since then his era has stated rocketed. I mean last year. He had a sixteen. Era only got one start. His era was so bad after that one start that they wound up sending him to the spring training or the summer training. Whatever you wanna call it. The training facility down in florida and he pretty much just stayed down there and worked out for the rest of the summer so he was that bad he pretty much was gone after one game. One start and i just feel like this rangers team if they want to be competitive. They don't they should not be getting these. I hate to say it but these has been these. These washed up players. That are just not any good anymore. And i think that fulton averages a guy that has unfortunately suffered due to some injuries over the last few years he's had shoulder problems and as a result i think that he just he should not have been an option for them and i don't really see why they went out and got somebody like that when there were plenty of other guys out on the market and they went out and got him of all people and again i i know i sound like i'm absolutely roasting the guy but when you've got such a bad era after one game that you get voted down in the training facility. I don't think that's a good positive sign and and not you know a great kind of Highlight if you will right. i mean. That's a huge red flag. I felt that the rangers for those two great moves. They made it was it was kind of a two steps forward one step back and so you're pretty much back where you started and i just felt that they needed to go out and get better. Pitching fulton was not that especially as a starter. So that's one move. I could see the rangers really regretting and kind of saying. Why don't we go in this direction. I think that will eventually see him. Getting fade in all honesty or released. I don't see him finishing the season. And i could be wrong. He could have an incredible season this year. This could be kind of hit. The revitalization the revitalization of mike fulton evidence in texas. But i just don't see that happening so that's a move. I think the rangers are gonna regret. Big-time another move is the giants getting curt casali. I think this is a big regret. And here's why this is my concern. Let's say buster posey doesn't show up to spring urge doesn't show up during the season right. Let's say he decides to opt out he doesn't wanna play. The covid issue is still roaring through and not very comfortable playing. And then you've got a guy like joey bard who's coming off a year where he did not play well and in all honesty. I don't think there was a whole lot of expectations for bart. Because i think he kinda got thrown in the mix at the last minute posing up playing now. He doesn't have that guidance to kind of follow around in the locker room and in the dugout and so on and so forth. And now it kind of i think let bart fend for himself a little bit. I will say though that might have allowed him to grow a little bit as a player in an immature and know the ropes of the major league world. Without having somebody to i would say usher him in. But i think that having posey there is gonna do wonders for his career down the road. But the point i make about curt casali is this. If buster posey's not on the team or let's say he doesn't play well and enjoy bartha go to him and he's not playing well pirka sally's the third option and they might be left with just curt casali especially posey's not on the team and i think that is another big kind of eyebrow raiser because he's never played a season of baseball curt casali his only played at the most eighty four games in his career so he has played the similar size or the similar Kind of most amount of games played that a guy like fernando tatis played. I believe how has only played in eighty four games at the most in his career so far in casali has been in the league for five years more for years more than tequila so he has not had a whole lot of repetition especially of him with him be potentially becoming a starting catcher this year. If things kind of do fall by the wayside for san francisco now he's put up good numbers when he's played in fifty plus games right in the fifty two games in two thousand eighteen bad two nine three but then once you kind of sees numbers go and kind of see his gain the amount of games he's playing increase. That's when you start to see the average dip down twenty sixteen. He only played in eighty. Four games batted one. Eighty six twenty nine thousand nine played in eighty. Four games batted two fifty one so we see an improvement but nonetheless still not a great average to have nothing to gloat about and so i do wonder if casali is going to be a guy that they regret getting because they might have him as their only option and they're only reliable option and as a result. I don't think that that's going to do great things for them in the long run. I think that that could actually hurt them more. Because let's face. It won't be an extra bath that they can go in the lineup. And who knows how he'll be behind the plate so i don't know if he'll be able to shoulder the load heading wise and especially for a team that was top five in hitting a year ago. That did a great job from the plate. I just don't think casali is going to be a move that they look back with with fond memories. And i think that it might be a move that they kind of regret down the road so another team and this is my favorite team. So i'm going to really sound off if you will on this. Travis shaw getting signed a minor league deal with the with the milwaukee brewers zero clue why they even entertain this idea. I have no idea. I still have no idea. I remember a couple of days when it happened. You know about two weeks ago or whatever it might have been. I remember sitting there and saying why in the world do we go out and get a guy that his last year with us batted below. Two hundred. Right i mean. He has literally batted below two forty the last two years of his career and the best season that he's had was in milwaukee first season there when he got a two seventy three but that was four years ago right so that's a little bit of old news. I think that you know the There could be a lot of other guys. They could have gone out and gotten at third base again. Mckell franko. I don't know why he's not been signed yet. He had a great year in kansas city. I think he's a very very. I don't know if i should say underappreciated appreciated undervalued but just not kind of kind of an underdog of a third baseman. And i think that he should be given a little bit more of credit ease of very good third base. He's a very good a hitter. And i think that he would have been way. Better at third for the brewers then travis. Shaw travis sean. My opinion should not be on a major league roster right now that's just my opinion. I will say he does provide some power for you. I mean but he hasn't been above eight hundred since twenty eighteen but from two thousand fifteen twenty eighteen. He did have three years where he was above. Eight hundred. opiates so he can bring a little bit of pop to the lineup. And this is a team. That is lacking in pop. They did not have a whole lot of power hitting from other guys last year. You know casten here did not have a good year. Christian yelich was atrocious orlando arcia. He was average at best. You abbas abbas garcia he was average at best. They did not have a whole lot of hitting across the board. Now you get cold wong christian yelich back in here has been playing well as of lately right now in spring training. But i just don't think that travis shaw's in a move that we might not even see travis. Shaw make the roster. We might even see him get called up at all during the season. I would not be shocked about that and quite frankly. I don't know if i would be that upset about it. Because again i do not think that travis shaw should have been signed and i remember them see. The brewers being in the news about getting justin turner saw things about jackie. Bradley jr. possibly leaning on the burgers so there's a lot of other possibilities that i felt that were out there into the life of me. I don't understand why they did not go out and pursue that because let's face it. The brewers need hitting. They desperately need that. And i know that last year was a little bit of an odd year so we can't really fault them completely but at the same time is shaw you need. Do you really need a slow third baseman with hannah average glove. He's got an okay. He's got a pretty good arm but a non-existent bad. I don't see that i don't like that. That doesn't sit well with me. So that's the move. I think that they're going to really regret quite frankly again. I don't know if we'll even see. Travis shaw make the roster this year let alone even be called up at all so the next guy want to get into hunter renfrow to the red sox and this might be out of all of the players and out of all the teams that i mentioned on this list that are going to regret the moves that they've made. This might be the one that is maybe an exception. Maybe and that's a big. Maybe he's a kind of he's an interesting case because he's a guy that has a lot of power in his bat he built a ton of home runs twenty in two thousand seventeen. He hit twenty six homers and twenty six homers in two thousand eighteen and then had thirty three and twenty one thousand nine so we had three straight years of twenty five plus homers and like eighty or ninety plus. Rbi's but at the same time. Let's see what they lost in the outfield. You don't resign. Jackie bradley jr. you gave andrew benintendi. I think one too many shots at trying to be good and he just did not come. You know come through in that situation. And so i wonder if they're going to do the same thing with hunter renfrow if they're going to give him time and time again and if he's not gonna be productive if he's not going to be you know what they expect him to be and i will say even though that he's been you know a solid home run hitter for the most part you know his home. Run percentage has dwindled down over the years and his k. percentages right around thirty percent for a career right at twenty eight percent. So i mean. His numbers are not necessarily trending in a great direction. So that is a little bit of a worrisome thing for me and not to mention he bella. He batted below two hundred last year right and that is something that is horrifying. He wound up getting again demoted during november in the playoffs by the raise. So this is a guy that i think is a little bit of a head scratcher. He could be good. He could pay off for them but i really do kind of question why they went and got him and i do see his numbers trending continuously down that direction and i think that even though he's got a lot of power potential. This might be a regret. The red sox make. I hate to say that but i definitely think they'll look back at that move and say. Why did we do that. So the last two guys. I want to discuss. They're still coming from the al east. Honestly there was a lot of teams in the mail. These that made some questionable moves. I felt they were not on top of their game as they usually are. I would like to say so. I won before again in the last one. Jameson tie into the yankees again. And i've said this a million times. We've barely seen him the last two years. We've barely seen him pitch. He's barely really. I feel scratched the surface of the amount of time that he spent in the major leagues. You know he's only had two years where he's had twenty plus starts. He's had one season where he was below four. Era so i would not say that he's been lights out incredible right. I mean you guys have been injury r- in the last few years kind of like corey kluber. And but he had a lot that had been proven by him. Winning two cy youngs being one of the best pitchers for four five straight years. So i understand that. Move the taione move. I don't get. And i think that he's going to be somebody that they look back at it and say again won the world were rethinking getting tyrone. I know the pirates were very high on him. He was a guy that a lot of people in the organization really liked a lot of fans really liked him a lot of media person personalities around here and journalists and broadcasters radio show host. They all really liked him. But i just personally do not understand. What in the world. The big hype about it. Because every time i ever watched him he was okay and then he would miss sixty games after that and then he would come back and he'd pitched two weeks and then he would miss another thirty five games. So it's like okay. Is this gonna even show up. He even going to be healthy the entirety of the season. So i think that you know getting kluber was one thing. I think that he's a little bit more proven. And i get why they were going in that direction but getting a guy like tyrone. I just don't understand it. And i think they're going to really regret that. Move so the last movie. I want to touch on. Is michael walker to the raise now. This might be the biggest regret of them all in my opinion. I think that this is the move next to the rangers. Getting mike fulton edge. That they really look back at it and say we messed up on that one. We dropped the ball massively. He has not been trending in the right direction for years. In the first three seasons of his career he was great. Had a sub three point five year a but ever since then he's been three point five and below only one time since two thousand sixteen fourteen fifteen seem to be kind of the peak for him he was an all star then but then after that and just the continuous losses that the rays have endured in this past off season. I don't see the point of bringing somebody like walk there. I don't get why you go out and get him. He was not good last year and he's clearly not going in the right direction and it shows he had a sub five hundred winning percentage the last two years. His numbers have overall dips them. I will say though. I will say very contrary to kind of how hunter renfrow It's kind of training in the wrong direction. Overall walk might be going in the other direction. I will give him that. He has his k. Percentage was the second highest his career this past year at twenty three point seven and what his against him for opponents was a staggering. Nine fifty one. And it's increased year from two thousand eighteen to twenty. So that is something that's horrifying. You have a guy that is yes. He's improving on his strikeout rate but opposing batters are absolutely great on him and they are having a field day doing it. And so if you're the raise and you're going up against a team like the yankees that are very stacked. Why are you getting a guy like walker. That is probably going to get rocked in my opinion and i just think that there's another guy that you know. He could find himself getting sent down to the minors at one point or another during the year. I just don't see him being the player that they are expecting him to be. I don't see him being anything special right. I mean they went out and kind of got the the walmart version if you will of what they had before the rotation right. They had just a fraction of it. They did not have guys that i think could replace. Come close to replacing charlie morton or blake's now now you know obviously if grind your back tala glass now but just chris archer your answer. Is michael walker your answer. I don't think so. I think both of those guys. I will give them this archer. I think we'll have a little bit more success. Because it's some of the best. Years came with him being in the raise uniform so that might revitalize a little bit and kind of get him back to where he was before but walk is not going in the right direction and i know that the k. percentage is one thing but the the opn against and the average against all those numbers they are just increasing each and every year. And it's kind of like why in the world would you even entertain that so overall. I think there's going to be a lot of moves that these teams are gonna regret in that. Some organizations are probably going to regret more than others and quite frankly. I think we'll see some of these guys winding up on either minor league teams being delayed or being released or even just being traded overall. That's going to wrap it up for us here today. And i appreciate you all listening to the gmc baseball podcast brought to you by the gmc. Podcast network. I would like to ask that you. Please remember to subscribe to the show and write a nice review. That really helps us. Also if you can please follow us on facebook twitter and instagram. We'd really appreciate that as always everybody. Thanks so much for listening and have a wonderful rest of your day. You've been listening to the golden state media concept baseball. Podcast part of the golden state media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and like it at. Www dot m. c. podcast dot com download. Our podcast on. Itunes stitcher down clock and google play. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 378: 2020 Non-Tender Deadline, Trades and Signings

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 378: 2020 Non-Tender Deadline, Trades and Signings

"Golden state the concepts baseball podcasts. We cover everything major league from spring training to the world series. Got your favorite club cover from new york to boston to elect. This is the golden state media concepts baseball podcast In new another edition of the gsm. C. baseball podcast brought to you by the mc podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. We got a great show lined up for you tonight. Wednesday december second at eight pm was the non tender deadline for major league baseball teams. At which point they had to decide whether or not to offer contracts to arbitration eligible players so basically teams either said. Yep we agreed to pay you. What arbitration says your worth or at this point. They cut him loose. These guys become free agents into now free to sign wherever they want so a ton of guys now find themselves out of a job. There were quite a few up in the air. That were tendered contracts. So we're gonna talk about all of that on today's show the first couple of segments. We're going to jump through all of the players who were not tendered and are now free agents and free to sign anywhere then in segment number three will dive into a team by team breakdown. So we'll get a look at it from a player's perspective then a teams perspective and then ultimately at the tail end of the episode. We'll talk about the latest news notes. A couple of trades have gone down recently. And bring you guys up to date with everything going on across major league baseball. So let's jump right into it here today once again. Thanks for joining us here. Now that we've transitioned to the month of december certainly crazy that it's going by that fast here and spring training is right around the corner but Few of these guys and the ones. I'm going to talk about here. They don't know where they're going to report in february. They now find themselves free to sign wherever they would please some of them they could return back to the teams that did non tender them contracts. So there are a few situations here there are a few teams who have essentially looked at the market and said okay based on your history based on the arbitration process. It breaks down to where it's going to be somewhere between five and seven million well with all the economic ramifications the corona virus everything. That's taking place. We think that you would become a free agent. You would sign for only like two and a half three million dollars. So we're going to non tender you but then we do want to bring you back at a reduced cost so of course not the ideal scenario if you're the player themselves but from a team's perspective in the we've seen teams across major league baseball cutting personnel cutting scouts cutting employees that are making fifty seventy five thousand dollars a year so if they can go from paying a guy five and a half down to three and a half. That's something that they're going to try to take advantage of this offseason and just looking at the list here of all the guys who were arbitration eligible and not offered. There's a list of thirty to forty forty five guys that are now part of the free agent pool for the twenty twenty one season so our friends at mlb dot com. They put together a list based on wins above replacement so they went back and looked at twenty nineteen twenty twenty combine those war numbers put them together from greatest to least and ranked a lot of these newly free agent guy. So i'm going to run through this list with you kind of get my breakdown. Each guy see what's going on then once again. We'll do that for the first two segments. Then we'll go into the team perspective so the guy at the top of the list the one that everybody's reporting out there kyle schwarzer outfielder of the chicago cubs. of course. He was a huge key to them. Winning the world series in two thousand sixteen miss the entire regular season with a torn knee then came back to hit over four hundred in the world series that year so certainly cubs fans. Remember that but they also remember him hitting buck eighty eight this year hitting one eighty eight to fifty a year ago swings and misses struggles even more against left handed hitters during that time. So that's where when it comes to the arbitration process and where he started based on the world series contributions it begins his number much higher. And then it kinda just expedites on itself so the cubs said hey man further production. You're giving us. We're not just gonna pay you fifteen. Seventeen nineteen million if you wanna come back at eight to ten sure but you're going to test the market and see what's out there so i do think sh- warburg gets an opportunity very quickly. I don't think it'll be a long term big contract. I think you're looking at more of a proven deal. I wore burgess based on his down season in twenty twenty. But i do think the guy will be sought after and somebody still as young as him with all the talent and all the potential. There's gonna be some hitting coaches out there who are licking their chops trying to work with this guy to get him straightened out so Next on the list kind of a surprise at number. Two hands are alberto of the baltimore. Orioles before he got to baltimore was basically a nobody was with the texas rangers by looking at his statistics. He hit one forty three and one eighty five. Well then he gets works. His way over to baltimore for twenty nine team puts together a nice little season. It's three zero. Five twelve home runs fifty one rb. Is they bring back in. Twenty twenty has another successful season. He hit two eighty three three home. Runs twenty two rbi so he was a fan favourite in baltimore. People loved him but they're not going to win next year and looking at his arbitration hierarchy. They're not looking to pay somebody. You know five seven ten million dollars to blais second or third base when they know. Hey they're not gonna be here by the time. Our next window comes around. So let's move on from him now. But i certainly a a nice little two year deal for hands are out there on the market could be seen and i think is something that he'll he'll get no problem so next on the list with two point one wins above replacement is eddie rosaria. Of course a member of the twins bomb squad. He's got nail. Mvp votes the last couple of seasons. So he's obviously shown that he's been pretty impressive offensively but he just swings and misses too much you know. He chases a lot of pitches out outside of the zone. He's got low on base rates when it comes to besides average so he doesn't walk a lot you know strikes out more than he should but he does have some big pop. He's got a nice arm defensively so a third outfielder left fielder for a contributing team. Somebody who's close to the series. I think rosario fits in nicely. You mean the last couple of years looking at the home. Run totals twenty seven twenty four thirty two and then thirteen on the shortened season. Seventy eight rbi seventy seven hundred and nine and then forty two. So this is a middle of the bat lineup. I mean this guy could hit fifth or six four year balance things out and you know left handed hitter. I think somebody's gonna jump on that opportunity. And i don't think it's going to be to the value that rosario thinks he's worth because once again with all of these guys now on the market. The supply is going to be much higher than the demand. And that's part of the reason why these guys are being let go because owner see the future market and the ability to save cash. So they're moving on but rosario. I certainly think he'll find work sooner than later. Brian goodwin of the cincinnati reds next on the list at two point zero wins above replacement. He was a surprise name to me. I knew his name. But i didn't think he was performing that well in cincinnati. And that's because he didn't he kinda struggled after he got traded to the reds but he was good for the angels before that. I mean just in two thousand nine thousand nine hundred seventeen home runs. So are people going to bet on the fact that you know he can get back to that twenty twenty thousand nine hundred year where he hit two sixty two or is it going to be more twenty twenty Where he hit two fifteen so goodwin struggled to the point. Where you know. They're not going to bring him back for that price in cincinnati. Cincinnati wasn't the only excuse. Me goodwin wasn't the only guy from cincinnati. That was let go this past week. These next couple of guys on the list here as well. So cincinnati let go of some notable players the first one being good one the next one being pitcher archie bradley the number seven overall pick and the twenty eleven draft. He flashed potential as a reliever after he got moved to the bullpen in the middle of his career. Since then he said a nice little Three five one. Era and bradley was traded to the reds from the diamond backs so he was obviously just a rental for them. You know somebody. They're not looking to add longterm to the mix but he's at himself A good number of years. I mean twenty seventeen. He had a one seven three e. Era in seventy three innings. Three six four ray and then three five two so archie. Bradley is going to be sought after from the bullpen. In the way pricing is going to happen out there. I think he could be a nice fine for people on the secondary market. Because you got your liam hendriks brad hands. She got all the top names that everybody's discussing they're they're going to get the eight ten twelve fourteen million dollars a year then you sprinkle and archie bradley amongst the names below. That will one you dive into the next level analytics and the sabermetrics and you see the success. Somebody like that being had for four six seven million dollars. I think there's going to be a market for those guys and it's just going to be a matter of ultimately who wants to pay just that extra little bit to get the guys in house but The third and final cincinnati. Read the three guys on the road because all of their wins above replacement are between one point eight and two that's curt casali catcher behind the dish Little bit of thump. From the right handed side. He hit two sixty. Eighteen home runs in less than five hundred plate. Appearances across the last three season so backup. Catcher in. Cincinnati moved over there after his time in tampa bay. The most games he's played at the major league level is eighty four so Certainly not in everyday catcher but Backup catchers they're valuable. I mean even here in philadelphia we. Jt rio mutsu but those guys can't go every day and again if the schedules a little bit wonky because of the coronavirus and we have these doubleheaders lined up again. Backup catcher able than ever in a guy who shows a little bit of pop from the right side and even above adequate bat is going to be sought after and free agency. That's for sure next on the list. Hansel robe may serve right handed pitcher he was let go by the angels struggled to find his form last year in two thousand twenty yet to nine seven. Era in thirty seven games down the stretch back in two thousand eighteen but You know really struggled this past year. So i if somebody think that they could fix him that you know they'll be able to get him in and straighten him out because twenty nineteen to four eighty are a pretty good twenty twenty ten point. Two six era in sixteen innings hansel robe lace. Let go because his twenty twenty performance did not live up to where they think he's going to be in twenty twenty one but relievers are so volatile a one year to the next you can be lights out and then all of a sudden can't find it and so that's where these guys really are a lottery ticket and just Take your best guess ultimately as to what. You're going to get so next up on the list here danny santana of the texas rangers. He was the rangers player of the year in two thousand nineteen. He had to eighty three with twenty eight home runs and eighty one. Rb is so he was fantastic that year for them but he was slowed in twenty twenty by an injury and ultimately you know struggled and as you know is availability for twenty twenty. One is still in doubt so twenty. Nineteen if that's what you get man. This guy is going to be a steel on the market. But if he's still struggling from that injury he had one forty five in fifteen games last year. he's not going to be ready. And texas being in rebuilding mode is looking to give at bats to somebody else internally but danny santana he's able to bounce back and be healthy man. He's going to be a steel for the price that you can get him at for. Twenty twenty one. Adam duvall this was a surprise for the atlanta braves. I know they have a crowded outfield but Non tendering default was certainly something that not a lot of people were expecting. He hit sixteen home. Runs drove in thirty three runs in only fifty seven games here in twenty twenty self. He was above average in during his time in atlanta barreled up the ball sabermetrics again ranked sixteenth above barrel percentage. So man the people are gonna be jumping into this one now. Of course it depends on where you're at in your process in which team you're at because he does swing and miss a little bit. There are some holes but young nice team in atlanta. People didn't think devolve that they would move on from now. People again are talking about how he could be brought back at a cheaper price. I don't know we'll have to wait and see Next step is john. He was a right handed pitcher for the saint. Louis cardinals he was. Non tendered burst onto the scene in twenty seventeen at a two four four followed that up with three two zero era but then ultimately had tommy john and miss the twenty twenty season. So he'll be coming off at. Tommy john looking for work for somebody coming into twenty twenty one next up greg garcia. Greg garcia is a fantastic pinch hitter last year in san diego not full-time guy out there but Came up in the saint. Louis system spent five years in saint louis before the last two in san diego ultimately second baseman shortstop third baseman. a lot of versatility for garcia. But you know he hit two hundred in thirty five games and only sixty at bats in twenty twenty so san diego looking to get a bit more value on the bench but tyler quinn. He'll be the last one with talk about here in the first segment. He's got one of the strongest arms at baseball. And yet he's one of the worst defenders when it comes to sabermetrics and all the stack that's going on. He also struggled at the plate this past year hidden to eighteen in cleveland But left handed hitter. I man i think he gets another shot. I know he's shown some promise in the past again. Two thousand nineteen had a solid year to eighty eight. Ten home runs just as a fourth outfielder. I think he can do worse in a pinch hitter off the bench. So it'll be interesting to see where he ends up but we'll pause here right now. We got a lot of names to keep running through here. A lot of guys now. Free agent so thanks for sticking with us this episode of the mcc baseball podcast. We'll pause now for a word from one of our sponsors and one of our sister shows but when we come back we'll keep running through the list of guys. Have you heard the one that you were thinking about. 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We love to get you some fifteen seconds of fame here and we very much appreciate you guys listening. I know i do at least talking to you guys here twice a week but this second segment is going to be a bit particular a bit peculiar when it comes to the content here because really these guys that i'm going to run through our guys that are frustrating. The heck out of their old fan bases but people from outside of those cities are going to look in and see the potential of that prospect because just from a affiliate's perspective here real quick right so the phillies. They tendered every single one of their players. They didn't non tender anybody this year but there were two on the list that locals were hoping would be non tendered. The first one was relief. Pitcher hector nearest. They agreed to a five million dollar deal with him. And he's back then. They tendered a contract. Vincent velasquez vinnie fellow. Who drives us nuts here locally so those guys will be back and the locals are unhappy with it and these guys that i'm going to talk to you about are going to be right along the lines of vince velazquez and hector near swell. Where locally. they're going good. Get rid of a minor. Want them anymore. But from the outside looking in go. Hey this guy's throwing ninety five with a nasty splitter if a sector errors or if it's vinnie low hey this guy's got four pitches and he's mid-nineties we'll be able to figure him out so Stats may not jump off the books here but these guys i'm telling you are the ones that have high potential and we're high prospects but maybe haven't put it altogether completely here so starting off where we left off once again matt andrea. It's a right handed pitcher. let's see here. He was formerly of the la angels They moved on from him. He's got a four six five. Era since the start of twenty nineteen but again strikes out one hundred and twelve guys in one hundred and two innings so he are as high but strikes out a lot of guys so feast or famine with a lot of these guys that were going to be reading through here matt lease ler of the minnesota twins. He was let go. He had a breakout twenty twenty season. Actually so this one was a bit of a surprise in minnesota spent three years in atlanta where he was not very good Four seven one five zero zero eight three five. Era then fast. Forward to two thousand twenty in minnesota put him in the bullpen. One point zero seven in twenty five innings so we are finds himself at the top of the free agent list. Now when it comes to relievers in somebody who you know is going to get paid. Because he threw eighty one percents sliders which is just fascinating but struck out thirty five batters across twenty five innings and allowed a batting average of one forty three against that slider so people know. It's coming still weren't able to hit it in twenty twenty two. The twins expect major league baseball to be able to make an adjustment and thus be able to come around on that slider next year but man. That's a crazy decision to me to let a guy walk who just had a one. Oh seven era in almost a strike out and a half per innings. So we'll see if the twins know what they're doing. Carlos run own our road. Don't excuse me left. Handed pitcher from the white sox. They took him third overall in two thousand fourteen. So here it is once again. I prospect somebody with a value. Just hasn't been able to put it all together. Injuries crushed his development. He's only thrown forty innings over the last two seasons and he's got a five seven four so high draft pick. A lot of potential ton of injuries hasn't put together. The white sox decide to move on the phillies. Bring back the prospect. And that's where these guys it's going to be interesting to you know. Remember these names and look next year. Because there's going to be a handful of these guys that end up in new locations they get a fresh setting a fresh set of eyes. Somebody moves them from the left side to the right side of the rubber or tweaks and mechanic with them offensively. And something's gonna click and they're going to figure it out. I mean jake. Diekman was with the phillies and couldn't throw a strike. Then he went to texas then he went to oakland then. He watched pitching in and discovered a slider grip. And now he's got one of the most disgusting pitches in all of baseball so It's just a matter of time and ultimately the the right place in the right time for these guys to get it to come together and be really effective but area. Your reto is also looking for a job. He was let go by the mets. He had a five eight five one during his time with the rangers. And then only one appearance with the mets due to some injuries this past off season but next on the list delano deshields. He stole twenty bases for three straight years. So bit of a speedster but the cleveland indians decided. It was time to move on He was with the texas rangers years prior to that so one year in cleveland. He did not impress enough ultimately to bring him back. He was part of the corey. Kluber deal that brought him back to cleveland. So interesting move there. The kansas city royals. They moved on from my cal. Franco my guy. My kill former philadelphia philly. He led the royals in doubles and rbi's but It looks like his salary was going to go from two to five million. And this is a key instance. Where the royals. They're they're rumored to be looking back. Might bring back michael at a lower price. Not just pay him that five million bucks but bring him back something similar to that two and a half and get you know basically similar production from franco coming back but Ben gamble he is now a free agent. He was let go. He was not tendered by. The milwaukee brewers. He was acquired from seattle at the end of twenty eight team. He had an one hundred and seventy four games for the brewers the past two years he hit two forty five played all three outfield positions. So bid versatility defensively may find himself looking at fourth outfield spot. Moving forward no more missouri. Man this this is a little bit of a surprise. I was once at a top twenty prospect in all of baseball for the white sox. And you know he just hasn't been able to hit and since he's gotten to the big career to twenty eight and nobody's still only twenty five so this is case in point where huge prospect twenty five years old but chicago they just. They're not waiting for him and his time in texas hasn't put it together. They're saying man. We got bigger things where we're moving on but there's certainly a rebuilding team out there like the orioles or oakland is looking at value tampa bay it screams like one of these guys that bring them in at below cost and get them into your system. Straighten him out and man. You could have some success there. I sure but david doll is now a free agent. He was the tenth overall. Pick in the two thousand twelve draft so again a lot of guys high prospects just having put together a dull shown some promise during his time at the rockies but it keeps getting hurt. He's only played one hundred games most in two thousand nineteen. He's still only twenty six years old. Missed half the season last year. So can the guy stay healthy kenny. Not but the rockies. They grew frustrated and then they basically said now. We're not gonna pay you. To stay injured man you can go get a paycheck from somebody else so. Aj coal right handed pitcher the blue jays. You was second on the staff and appearances with twenty four. This past season had a three zero nine race so somebody who's affective in toronto but based on the price and based on what toronto's trying to do they're looking for an upgrade at the back end of the bullpen and they're just going to move on from the twenty eight year old and try to do a little bit better here so Let's see there's a lot of names on this list. We'll keep rolling through. Jeffrey rodriguez only twenty seven shoulder. Injuries and twenty nineteen missed. All of twenty twenty. The cleveland indians look to bring him back but Rodriguez decided to opt out of a minor league deal. So hopefully he'll be fully healthy for twenty twenty one and get an opportunity elsewhere. Jose your rena. He was designated by assignment by the marlins so he threw nearly six hundred innings for them. Since two thousand fifteen four six zero year a solid back into the rotation kinda guy number four number five yet cova da for twenty twenty so he missed a lot of the year and then he broke a forearm on a comebacker so The marlins continuing to stay young continuing to state cheap staying away from jose arena ryan stanton next on the list tampa bay rays. He had a three five five. Era as the opener relief pitcher one of those guys down there in tampa. He didn't throw a lot in twenty twenty. He had corona virus so that limited his opportunities. There gonzales next on the list. He struggled for the rockies. The last couple years yar as in the fives over twenty appearances his career. He's got a five one to era. But you know ninety nine strikeouts in over one hundred innings but Big time stuff again. Just hasn't put it together. Hasn't stayed healthy. But some pitching coaches out. There could look at him somebody. They could certainly figure out. So justin anderson right handed pitcher twenty eight years old. Four seven five. Era for the angels over the past couple years before he missed twenty twenty due to tommy john. So that's somebody that could come back and surprise comeback even better jonathan holder. Right handed pitcher. Yankee said decided to let him go after a four three eight yara over the course of five seasons but the last couple of years. He hasn't been as good. He's been at five eight six average over the past two years so started strong but know again. The yankees are just looking at it and thinking man. You're going the wrong way. And ultimately your price tag keeps going up so we're going to ultimately move on and where it takes us from here so Paul see walled. Another pitcher wasn't tendered. Nine runs in six innings for the mets this past year thirty years old five era. For the mets not share ultimately what his future holds station. Shreve lefty reliever for the mets. He was let go struck out thirty four and twenty five innings and did have a three nine six. Cra really effective against lefties who are only two thirty two so they could look to bring back shreve ultimately but i do think seaworld is not coming back to new york ryan tempera. Next on the list. He was a trusted member of the cubs. Bullpen three nine to over twenty innings. In two thousand twenty. But he's thirty three years old. He's going to enter free agency for the first time with a three six six. Era over two hundred and thirty six bigly getting so ryan tip para finally made it to free agency at the age of thirty three. Good for you ryan man. It takes a long time for some of these guys. So let's continue down the list here are j. elaine s. Twelve appearances first career only in two thousand and nineteen. the reds ultimately moved on. Kenyan middleton played six games for the angels. He's coming off at tommy. John still only twenty seven with high upside jas peterson. He's played all four corner. Spots left field right field first. Second second base in twenty six games for the brewers so this guy's played a little bit of everything. alex khalida left-handed pitcher. He's owned left handed hitters during his career. But right handers have certainly taken advantage of that. You know the new three battery. Minimum rule is ultimately something that you really makes him less effective because if you bring him in for a lefty and then to righties. It's not worth that move anymore. But nick stropiana oh. He was excellent in the pirates. Bullpen in two thousand and twenty. But let's see nineteen strikeouts and fifteen innings. The mets claimed him off waivers at the end of last year but ultimately did not tender him a contract. So it'll be fascinating to see if somebody jumps on that opportunity. You have klay homes right handed pitcher. He's thrown a five five eight and twenty nineteen only one appearance this last year due to injury range. Oh rivero first baseman outfielder. He's twenty eight spent most of his time in aaa last year he was due for arbitration due to some big league time with the cardinals and then the last couple of guys here at the bottom of the list. Now that we're back into the negative war kind of just run through the name set way if anything out for you guys you know. I mentioned it but jimmy haggerty of the rangers right handed pitcher have jose martinez a. d. h. Outfielder for the cardinals. He was good in two thousand eighteen but now struggling hobie milner he had a great year for the phillies way back but he's turned thirty and has a ra since then Eric hia for the royals a utility player. He's played sparingly over the past. Two years hasn't been super effective. Travis shaw third baseman first baseman. He slumped since his time with the brewers. But that's a name you guys may recognize out there. You have al. Alberta more junior sixth overall on the twenty twelve jets. I mean a solid defender but again just can't seem to find the bad offensively bubba starling fifth overall in twenty eleven. Never really found his stride with the royals. He's only hit Tonight or it he had to fifteen back in twenty nineteen thousand nine hundred and then you have edgar garcia acquired by by the rays from the phillies. They didn't tender him in tony. Walter set a defensive first catcher. Who was let go ultimately so a ton of guys out there. If you're saying man. I don't even know a lot of these guys. Well that's because again locally in your market these are the guys that frustrate the heck out of yet because they were high picks they have a ton of potential but just never been able to put it together so that'll do it though for segment number two. That'll do it for the players. Side of things will pause one more time. We'll step aside here for word from one of our sponsors one of our sister shows but we come back then we'll go to the team side of things. 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Thanksgiving has come and god. We're now in the twelfth month of the year. Twenty twenty man. Please get out of here as quickly as you can't i. It's been a long year for all of us out there. So i know there's been some joyous time some positive things that have happened. I'm sure in your life as well as mine but it certainly seems that the majority of things have been a bit on the negative side. So i'm looking forward to getting to twenty twenty one and seeing what that has in store for all of us but as the days progress. Hopefully you're enjoying yourself. Hopefully you're taking time to be thankful and enjoy the holiday season as we cruise along here but this is the third segment. Welcome back. i appreciate it. We're gonna jump into a team by team breakdown of non tender candidates that took place here over the past twenty four hours. Because i just read off a ton of names and you guys listen out there probably like. I don't even know who that is or who he plays for so kind of giving you a team by team breakdown of ultimately what their what their efforts were when it comes to the non tender deadline and we'll just start alphabetically so the arizona diamondbacks tendered every one of their players that was available. They released junior herrera last month But he was the only non tender candidates that they really had. So if you're a diamondbacks fan out there and wondering okay. Well you know. Who did we tender a contract to everybody who is eligible. Got a contract offer from you guys so no surprises and again. This is typically more than normal. Because a lot of times it takes a very special and rare occasion for a kyle schwartz or a kris bryant. Who was tendered. A contract this year by the cubs because his arbitration level is between. I don't know seventeen. Nineteen twenty one off the top of my head and again that's because he had won an mvp they'd won the world series a lot of times. These guys arbitration are still trying to figure things out you know they're going from two and a half million to five million on the top end on the third year of arbitration. So a lot of times when things are going well in teams are just cruising along. They don't think twice about playing a reliever four million dollars because even if he stinks they can bury that contract and not have to worry about you. Know the ramification of the dollar but here in twenty twenty and in two thousand and twenty one. Every single penny is being counted by almost every one of these owners. So you know to see arizona basically say hey. We're just going to go on business as usual. It's nice to see from a player's perspective. But the atlanta braves the only non tender they had was adam duvall like we spoke about They signed johan camargo to a twenty twenty one contract so harrell earn one point three six. He was also a non tender candidate but since they offered him that's ultimately why do vall was let go but they could look to bring him back there just hopefully waiting for the d. h. to come full time to the national league before they bring back more depth than the outfield next step. We have the baltimore orioles. Like i said hands arou- out. He was the only non tender for the orioles They had earlier parted. Ways with rene to- nunez and then they also signed catcher pedro severino so both of those guys were non tender candidates but moved on from one earlier and brought one back which led hanser outburts out to be their decision here wednesday night. So the boston red sox. They tendered every one of their potential players They're bringing everybody back. So red sox fans should be happy about that. The chicago cubs kyle walker. Like we talked about. But also jose martinez albert down mora and ryan to para were non tendered or now free agency and no longer members of the chicago cubs. Kris bryant was indeed tender to contract so that was another one of the big ones people were talking about and kris bryant will be back with the cubbies sin twenty twenty one although the not for sure he could still be traded. But he's not just going to be a free agent as people at possibly discussed the white sox. Non tendered carlos roa don zara like we spoke about those two guys both high prospects. That really didn't pan out so the white sox looking to move on and get more established players in is they take a look to take that next step under tony larussa and ultimately make playoff run after they were eliminated here. Early in twenty twenty the cincinnati reds. They were busy. Like i said you had goodwin bradley. Casali at the top of the list. But you also had kyle farmer and rj. Elaine is not brought back farmer. He resigned afterwards with a minor league. Deal it looks like so. He was not bra. Brought back out the major league level but was brought back at the minor league level. So i gotta make sure you read the details out here like i said. Hey we're not gonna pay and guarantee a big league spot but we're going to cut you and bring you back on a minor league level contract and that's certainly going to work out a bit more if you're a reds fan so next on the list here the cleveland indians they had tyler mcqueen delano dis- shields and jeffrey rodriguez non tendered so moving on from those three guys. Rodriguez had a shoulder and back issue. They looked to bring him back. Potentially on a minor league deal but ultimately he's interested or looking to test the market. It'll be to be determined on. Jeffrey rodriguez we have the colorado rockies non tender david doll tony walters and gonzalez so three guys for the rockies as they move on a lot of those guys dealing with injuries so not a ton of surprises. Coming out of colorado's camp but three is moving on next step. We have the detroit tigers. They tendered all of their candidates. This makes sense as a team is a little bit more lenient with those guys. That are at the end of the rope. Like vince velazquez character. Narasaki referencing them. Just because again. It's all over twitter. That a lot of people are not pleased on. It's almost groundhog's day here in philadelphia as we get into year. Five of vincent velasquez. But if you're a rebuilding team you're not worried about making the playoffs. You're willing to give those guys more time to be able to find themselves and figure things out as opposed to somebody who's really looking for that push and says hey we don't have time for another year of you to put your stuff together so it'll be interesting to see again a lot of these decisions and how they work out and where these guys find homes and if they're just kinda traded non tender guys for non tender guys at cheaper contracts ultimately. By the time things stabilize themselves so the houston astros. They didn't have any as well. They outright added roberto off season making him a free agent. He was a non tender candidate but since released so that makes ryan presley the full-time closer down there in houston and upgrade for ryan. Let's see the kansas city royals. Mike franko jason guzman. Eric mahia and bubba starling were all let go by the kansas city royals. I mean franko. He was gonna make anywhere from five to eight million dollars and again. He's probably worth one and a half or two but just based on playing time progression where he is in his career. That's something that kansas city wasn't looking to pay that level too. I mean he did hit two seventy eight. Eight home runs forum last year. So i think he'll find a job but he somebody again in philadelphia. That was always so frustrated he would never go to right field never use right-center always pulls off flies open and just spend breaking ball after breaking ball and he continues to swing through. And you're just yelling at the television for the guy to make an adjustment. So the angels. They were busy wednesday. Night kenyan middleton hansel robe lace hobie milner justin anderson and matt and drowsy all let go by the la angels. They will not be brought back in twenty twenty one for those guys so the angels continue to try to find that balance between young prospects. Young draft picks and old veterans that. They're praying so they're looked again for another wave internally moving forward here because a lot of these guys just couldn't cut it and really again. It's a good move by l. a. Because the definition of insanity right bring back try again at least. They're churning through these guys and looking to make a move the la dodgers. They tendered everyone even scott alexander. They agreed to a contract with so they didn't let anybody go. The miami marlins ryan stanek. He was the only guy go as you reno was designated for assignment a few. Let's see a few weeks ago so not just this past Evening but people knew they were moving on from him already. The milwaukee brewers non tenders. They had ben gamble. Alex toledo and jas peterson. So they'll move on from the three of those guys moving forward the minnesota twins al rosario and matt whistler white we talked about rosario cleared waivers They're looking to get him back but ultimately we'll have to wait and see chason shreve of the new york mets. Stephen matt's was tendered by the mets. He was another one that was potentially on the list but ultimately came to a deal and right-hander robert gessel men was also tendered a contract so the mets handed out a few more contracts then ended originally been anticipated but with new ownership and money like an issue for the mets. Like it is for everybody else. They offer mats and guest. Sleman tendered contracts to bring them back to give them another shot to run back things in two thousand and twenty one. So the new york yankees. They non tender jonathan. They did bring back gary sanchez. He was one of the big question. Marks in the biggest candidate was he going to be worth the price after he really struggled in twenty twenty one or is he going to be able to bounce back. So they the yankees. Not giving up on gary sanchez just quite yet the oakland athletics. They tendered everyone. Let's see they signed tony. Kemp chad pinder to some contract. So they were able to avoid arbitration with those with those guys the philadelphia phillies. They tendered every one of their players like said locals. Not super pleased about it. They were hoping to move on from. Vince velazquez their narrows. But they'll be back in action for the fight and fills here in twenty twenty one next. We have the pittsburgh pirates They non tendered klay hopes. Trevor williams was released last month so ultimately he was the other gentleman on the list that could potentially have been let go and he was here so the saint louis cardinals rahel rivero and john. Br a- were let go and not brought back by the cardinals. And then we had the san diego padres greg garcia. The padres will indeed tender. Tommy fan. Fam you know yet. A bit of a an altercation Let's see he was stabbed during an offseason altercation but it seems to be that he is okay that was a making him a non tender candidate but ultimately san diego decides to bring him back for twenty twenty one. You have the san francisco giants. They non tendered tyler anderson so he was the only guy for the giants that they let go. And they're moving on from the seattle mariners. They non tendered. Okay nobody everybody is back of course. Jp crawford mitch tom murphy where the only guys at risk of potentially being not tendered But all of those guys had stronger twenty twenties and earn themselves another contract here and twenty twenty one the tampa bay rays they let go of edgar garcia. They also released hunter renfrow just a few weeks ago deciding to move on from him next step. We have the texas rangers. Danny santana jimmy. Herbert scott hennemann to all let go by Texas down there. They could decide to bring back. Let's see santana. He was projected to make four million dollars in and twenty one. They liked his versatility play in multiple positions but he did struggle offensively. So that's where they're probably looking at that going man we're not paying you four million. We'll give you the veteran minimum or one or two but ultimately we're going to try to get you at a much lesser price Before we offer you that contract so toronto blue jays. Non tendered travis. Sean a j cole. Shell was able to bounce back. After a bad twenty nineteen but ultimately didn't perform to wear the blue jays wanted him and then last banalities the washington nationals. They tendered every one of their potential guys including signing joe. Ross to a one point five million dollar contract so a lot of teams there you heard at the bottom level the mariners guys who are rebuilding guys who have cash flow. They tend to tender a lotta guys bring him in the philadelphia phillies again. Haven't made the playoffs in quite some time. So they're willing to give another year to a lot of these guys that frustrate fan basis but ultimately you know today was a different day. I it really west. This day during normal offseasons is not a big day because everybody tenders contracts. Yeah of course it's arbitration. You're only going to make two three four million dollars and in the grand scheme of things where there's no salary cap or no limit. They they offer these guys contracts and then they cut them later. Like it's it's not a huge deal so a lot of times people were that. This is going to be a sticking point between the negotiations between the players and the committee. Because there's going to be guy saying hey. I earned that four to six million dollars that i was do this year and my arbitration and just based on not having fans cove in nineteen the corona virus. Now i'm not going to earn that and i'm going to have to take major league minimum. I could certainly see how that would be frustrating. Coming down the stretch here. But that's all thirty teams handled wednesday night my phillies. They offered everybody a contract. So like it or hate it hector. Near as vince alaska's they'll be back kris. Bryant gets a deal. Gary sanchez gets deal so really again schwarzer. The only guy jumping off the list here as potentially a big money guy now in free agency but That'll wrap things up here for the third segments of the baseball podcast brought to you by the mc podcast network. I'm your host kevin mahalick. We'll step aside one last time here for word from one of our sponsors one of our sister shows but when we come back we'll wrap things up talking about a couple of trades news notes. What's going on so stick around everyone. We'll be right back. 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We very much appreciate it here as we continue to bring you guys quality content bringing you guys episodes on a daily basis says we rage towards the off season but We got a couple of trades to talk about now a couple of off season signings and then we got rumors news and notes to close out. Today's episode so there were a couple of trades to be had on wednesday during the non tender deadline. I being the angels. They added shortstop. Jose iglesias from the baltimore. Orioles they'll be sending minor league right hander. Garrett stallings gene pinto back over to baltimore of course iglesias now the angels or replacement at shortstop after angel. Tin simmons is now going to be a free agent and was not extended a qualifying offer. La has david fletcher if needed but certainly glossiest is going to be taking over at shortstop. So this is the first move by angels new. Gm perry manama niacin. I'm sorry. I forget that when every time i look at it. And then i remember my niacin perryman. Niacin is first big trade. So he knows jose's been around. He's a veteran in his own right. So maniaci sand liked this character like she is work ethic. I turn thirty one in january. He's in the second year of a two year. Six million dollar deal also. He said at three point. Five million dollars in this could Be the stopgap for one year until the next year's off season class at shortstop is absolutely loaded if nothing were to change you got cory seager lender trevor story carlos. Correa havi air bias. So basically everybody's looking to get next offseason who's in the shortstop marketing with five. Six guys man could drive their price tags down because they're competing with each other so Jose iglesias goes from baltimore out to la. It'll be a nice suggests addition to that infield. of course they got rid. Don't over there at third. Albert ho said i moved fletcher. A second put iglesias in their at shortstop Then that's a nice little four there in l. a. But who did baltimore get back. I mean stallings was selected in the fifth round by the angels in two thousand and nineteen so a young kids really trying to find his footing pinto. He's only nineteen. He was signed as an international free agent. So baltimore's basically taken to lottery tickets back for season of jose iglesias at the shortstop. This is a rare occasion. Where i think on the surface i like this deal for both teams i think. La they needed a shortstop for just one year until they get to that market next year. And then baltimore says yeah. I'll take an early draft. Pick in an international free agent will hit the lottery. We're not doing anything this year. We're probably going to be in the basement again in the al least so we'll look to add a guide to our window three years from now we appreciate it. So both teams seem to be working out here with this one. A second trade took place wednesday night former all star relief pitcher corey nettle was traded by. The milwaukee brewers to the la dodgers never was non tendered right before the deadline and then ultimately traded to la. He's coming off of his tommy. John surgery and struggling you know numbers wise but l. a. Certainly thinks that they can get him turned around. Neville broke out back in. Twenty seventeen. Had a one seven eight. Era hundred and twenty strikeouts seventy six innings but then he tore his ucla in two thousand nineteen and has basically spent the last eighteen months rehabbing he did surface and twenty twenty six o eight era. His fastball was down to ninety five so not back at its full jump. But the dodgers. They're looking at the end of his season where it did seem to be. Maybe he was turning a corner and ultimately are looking to take a ticket back to see if he can get to his all star self and he'll be do five million dollars based on arbitration and where he's at next year so a couple of trades made around the non tender deadline other there were also a couple of recent signings out there across major league baseball. The last notable three was trevor may sign in with the new york. Mets and this could be a very nice under the radar signing a two year deal terms. Were not disclosed yet. But it's reportedly right around fifteen million so two years sixteen million dollars. I mean again. He may not be the highest of names out there. But this guy has been really good the last couple of years so The mets i think better by adding trevor may because may mrs bats. I mean if you look at it. He added thirty nine point six percents strikeout rate which was ninth best and that's right behind hendrix liam hendriks. Who's at the top of the free agent market at forty point two so may coming off a tommy john figuring it out finding himself the last couple of seasons. This guy misses bats and he's been moved from the rotation to the bullpen and now he's found himself at the back end of the bullpen. He's got increased velocity. He's been up to ninety nine miles an hour even this past season in when he was thrown against jose abreu so the reason he's not jumping off the list or jumping off. The page is because career. He's got a four four four. Era in only seven saves. so he's never been used in the ninth inning. He doesn't have that low. Era but again he was a starter for a couple of years he was ineffective for a couple years. And now he's certainly found himself and i think he's a guy in the nfl east that is going to bring some pain to the likes of the phillies and nationals. And man. i'm. I'm not happy with that. Signing as affiliates fan here so another signing michael. A taylor signed with the kansas city royals. It was a one year. One point seven. Five million dollar deal for taylor. Let's see here. He's got a high strikeout rate so he struggles to put the ball in play but You know he's very good defensively. He said some knee injuries in the past but as a fourth outfielder. I mean. he's a guy who's it's not bad to take a ticket on. I mean he's shown defensively what he can do. He's got some pop. He ran into a four hundred ninety three foot home. Run out in chorus field in his past so when he runs into could be an effective signing for the royals. I got no problem with that but the royals were busy because they also signed mike minor to a two year. Eighteen million dollar deal. There's also a thirteen million dollars club option for twenty twenty three so this could go to a three year. Thirty one million dollar deal for mike minor and i mean honestly that sets a bit higher than i thought he was going to get this off season. Of course he struggled sense. You know he's had a bunch of injuries but five six five. Era not great but ultimately. That's a nice deal for mike minor and that one really had me surprised. So that's it for the trades. That's it for the signings. you know. Now we're just gonna get into some rumors some news notes. What's going on across the league. But it's been reported that the blue jays in gene segarra of the philadelphia phillies. He keeps coming up and trade talks versatile player. He's been on the move a lot. the philly's got him from seattle. Now he's back in trade talks again here in philadelphia. They are open to moving. Gora started at shortstop any move to third base second base. He's really not the best defensively at shortstop anymore. Which is why the team signed. Dd gregorious but segarra. He's been okay. I mean he said to seventy five about twenty home runs during his time with the phillies but he's also four times since two thousand twelve. He's gone from the angels. To the brewers brewers to the diamondbacks diamondbacks to the mariners and then mariners to the phillies. And he's also got two years and just about thirty million dollars left on his deal and that's the area that the phillies want to move on from the area that the fan base wants to move on from clearing cigars contract because the phillies they're looking to sign. Jt rio mutel so if they could get fifteen million off the books from cigar that makes it a lot easier to give jt twenty to twenty five. That he's looking for so the phillies projected payroll one forty six for twenty twenty one. That's thirty nine million dollars lower than it was last year. And if they can move on from. Jean segarra at another fifteen million to that number and now you're starting to have some fun if you're a phillies fan and making another big move for one of these free agents the next rumor we have four. Is that corey. Kluber is going to end up with the boston red sox it's been reported that the yankees the mets or the red sox are interested but others a couple of different reporters showing the red sox and only one of them talking mets and yankees so again the red sox pitching's at the top of their wishlist for twenty twenty. Got chris sale dealing with an arm injury. They moved on from a couple of other guys so a short term deal for kluber could be a win for the red sox because his home is in the greater boston area. Apparently he's progressing well from that injury this off season in last year. It's expected that kluber is gonna throw a bullpen here. In the next couple of days and the red sox certainly aligned with somebody who you know. Low risk high reward coming off an injury you know not a big deal but the yankees connected to kluber. They've also been connected to tanaka bringing him back. James paxton's move on jay half's moving on so they they need help in the rotation the mets always looking for help and the rotation if they can't sign trevor bauer. They could transition themselves to the next best thing and corey kluber even after bringing back. Marcus stroman so a lot of interesting decisions you know could be made here over the next couple of days but you have the giants in blue jays interested in marcello suna you know he continues to be adding teams to the list. He signed one year. Eighteen million with the braves and then led the national league in homers. And rb is so. He's certainly going to get paid and i don't know who it's going to be but As the days go by. I'm not sure that the atlanta braves are no longer the favorite in the clubhouse and i think the more and more teams get involved. The more and more his price is going to be you know market level and. I don't think he's going to be one of these guys that gets ultimately underpaid but one year eighteen give him too and forty three and fifty five and i think you could find yourself a deal with marcello xenia but as we continue down the list here the nationals remain unlikely to land a big ticket item so the nationals. They've been connected to dj lemay hugh kris bryant. Trevor bauer but as it's coming out here a lot of time said they're saying they're going to stand pat there in washington one. Soto trai turner. They like these guys yes they have to make some upgrades and replacements. Adam meeting eric. Fame skirts zouqi but ultimately. They don't think they're going to pull the trigger on somebody. Big like bryant or lemay hugh and could look to add some value at the margins on non tenure candidates and future free agents and moving forward that way so ultimately the nationals. They sniffed around the big market. But i don't think they're going to be pulling the trigger anytime soon next. We have the reds They're prioritizing the shortstop position. Does this put them into conversation. With francisco indoor. Apparently they're taking a look at lynn door. They're taking a look at trevor story on the trade markets They've also been linked to pursuing marcus simeon. Dvd gregorious andrew. Symonds freddie galvez. Was there and twenty twenty. And he's not going to be back so The reds they're being linked to make an a big upgrade at the shortstop spot. james mccann. He's drawing plenty of interest. Apparently the new york mets are very interested in him and are making him a priority actually over. Jt real mutel right now. They're more interested in mccann and going that route. And then that would lead me to believe that they're gonna add bauer potentially allow indoor or springer on that side of things but mccain had a great year and twenty nineteen all star selection solid again in two thousand and twenty so the yankees. The mets the cardinals the angels the phillies mccann and whoever doesn't get jt mutel going to transition their interest and pursuit much heavy so back to the japan guy coming over sugano. The padres giants in yankees could be interested in him again. He was posted. So they're going to have to pay his fee. But ultimately there is interest there stateside and he will be getting us an opportunity. But the mets. Continue to stay interested in george springer like i said if they're going mccain go springer and bauer and they're looking at those three because Going after mccann sets it up to go out field. And i liked that usa resources honestly. I'm a george springer over jt. Rio mutoko guy. Just based on the position they play in the value they bring. I think that's a smarter way to go. And the last news and notes. I have here for years. The blue jays they quote unquote have a backup candidate in mind if they're not able to get. Dj lemay mayhew to play second base up there in toronto and that back up candidate i think is gene segarra. So if they can't get dj lemay you to show up. They could potentially be looking at the gora to play second base as it's come out now today that they're interested in gene is well sell. But that'll do it. That'll wrap it up another episode. We did it another week in the books. We're getting there. It is thursday december third. Hopefully you guys are staying warm. Stay in safe. i know. Everything's crazy with the corona virus cove and nineteen the holidays last week. Hopefully you're still feeling good a week or so later. Christmas coming up. Get your shopping done. Stay safe no contact all that good stuff. 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4/16/21 - The Mo Egger Show

Mo Egger

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4/16/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"Are you ready for some football. We are this. Is dave lapham and you're listening to the home of the bengals. Espn fifteen thirty sure. Good afternoon on malaysia. This espn fifteen thirty. Thank you for listening. Hope your weekend is off to a great start. We're going to get our show off to a great start because west miller is going to be here in just a second. The new head. Men's basketball coach at the university of cincinnati reds are home this weekend. I'll give you something in thirty minutes. That they should have been better prepared. Four-plus over under coming out for the upcoming nfl. Season the bengals or at six and a half your thoughts on that plus in the four o'clock hour pat brennan cincinnati dot com previews the cincinnati season. Which starts tomorrow against nashville live on. Espn fifteen thirty but news of the day at the university of cincinnati. About four hours ago. West miller officially introduced as the new men's basketball coach and he's with us this afternoon on. I'm sure what has been a very very busy day at the end of what. I'm sure has been a very busy last couple of days coach. I appreciate the time. Congratulations and welcome to cincinnati. Can you even begin to describe what the last forty eight to seventy two hours have been like it's felt like just one big day keeps going. It's it's been a whirlwind but it's been the citing This is the type of place that i've always dreamed about being and so when this happened. It's exhilarating but then there's a realization. How much work we have to do right away. And so. I'm i'm so excited the adrenaline pumping so i'm not tired at all. But there's a lot of work to be on this thing's been moving really fast. And i think it's gonna continue to be that way for a while so it's been an interesting experience but a great. Take me through. Take us through the process. When when the job i shows up on your radar when it first feels like you know what i've got a shot at that particular job. What was what was the process like that ultimately led you see well last friday. I knew the job was open It was the i be really honest. I wanted to hear from john cunningham. I wanted to hear from cincinnati. I was hoping had my phone with me all day. And when the texts came through told john this couple of days later and we were talking in person. I wanted to be the fastest person to respond to his text message. Showing it came through. I felt like i was texting. It was coming through And so you know started with that and we. We talked on saturday over the phone. Got to know each other a little bit Than we zoomed on sunday and gotten too much more debt and then we were able to to meet in person. I believe tuesday. I i believe tuesday And then see some of the facilities here on campus. And you know. It's the longer process went. The more felt like this could be real. This happened in the more. I thought like it was the right fit for me from from the time that the job landed on your radar or the job opening landed on your radar to right. Now what have you learned about the job. What have you learned about the program the school in the time since then it's great. Great quests allow always. I've always known how special this basketball program was. I grew up watching this program and coach huggins years in that era. You know. i've watched this program really closely during cronin's years been into coaching. You know mired it and tried to learn from it from a distance So i've always had the awareness of what this program was about the respect for what it is. And i've always known it's one of the greatest programs in history of basketball. I pride myself on being a basketball junkie and understanding not just basketball during my lifetime but how we got to this point going back to the sixties in the history and tradition. I've always been really aware of that. You know as we got into the process what really come really came to find out. Was that the things that i value really align with the things that everyone values around here in this institution in this community with the leadership here and and that's what i've been learning about and that's what's giving me more conviction every moment that this is a great fit for me elaborate on that if you will i heard you say that at the press conference today that your values aligned with those of university what what does what does that mean. How you elaborate on that what. I think standard of excellence right there. There's a certain standard that people expect from cincinnati basketball The and i learned a lot about how this institution has grown over the last forty years. I mean this is an excellent. In addition there's a lot of pride here People really care here this place again. I'm learning though. So i'm not going to get out but i i get a sense that this is about people that have crit toughness and on their shoulder whether that's the basketball program or just kinda the general feel that i get about being in cincinnati and i get i the thing i've just been blown away with in a really short period of time of being on the ground. Is the pride people feel to be from here into being this community. you know. Those are things that i value. I think i keep saying that people people can get across my southern accent. I think people the same values that same mindset in that same type of driving work ethic so i think those were some of the values a lot. Do you see and you had an extraordinarily long run at unc greensboro. Ns successful run. Do you see parallels between the situation that you walked into when you became a first time head coach there versus what you're walking into here. I hope not. I mean i was twenty eight. We screwed it up everywhere he could possibly screw it up. You know the first three or four years we were there and you know i think life works itself out. I was really fortunate to get the opportunity with with no experience. We screwed it up every way. I mentioned leadership. They're just kinda lead and what we were trying to do and gave me a chance to work through it and so that that was a blessing that i was somewhere that that could happen and that didn't happen very much in college athletics I hope it doesn't take that long if it does nobody. You'll be more disappointed than me. So i don't believe there is going to be a parallel there where i do hope. There's a parallel is we built something. Sustainable we built something that you could expect year after year as we got it going there and the players would change but the the mentality the approach the way that we played the game standard that we expect on a day to day that became a cultural thing The results became something that our players work for. And i do hope there's some parallels in that in that area Over over three decades. I think whether it was during coach huggins regime certainly over thirteen years with mick cronin i think most people here and frankly i think most people around the country probably giving yourself you had in your mind's eye vision of what a cincinnati basketball team looked like. This is a program that has long had an identity. What does the identity of a west miller coach team look like. We're going to be tough. We're going to be physical. We're gonna all buy into the defensive end of the four. I to what we do on the backboards i to the things that when you extra possessions putting your body on the ball loose balls collections. Like the things that we all know impact winning on a possession possession basis. I really believe that. So many college basketball games come down to one or two or three possessions. There's a certain approach mentality to win those two or three possessions. And that's what separates great beans from. Just okay thanks. So we're gonna we're gonna invest in those areas. I and find people that are willing to invest in those areas. think offensively. You know we're gonna play a style of basketball. That i think young people wanna play. We're gonna play with some pace We're we're going to give them freedom to go grow and they play play through some mistakes So i think there's a little give and take there but we are going to play an exciting brand of basketball fun brand of basketball. But we're going to be pretty nasty. How we defend in some of the things we do physically defensively and On the back porch. You mentioned today that you you plan on this being a quo players i program. What does that look like. I think it means that the decisions we make and the way that we operate every day has to take into account. What's best for the person. And what's best for the young people in that locker room. That doesn't mean let them do whatever they want or making them. Happy every second it means caring for them being invested in their growth and making them feel like they matter and so everything we do will be about those guys and former guys guys we can have the kind of success we want to have on a basketball court if the people out there aren't succeeding and they don't believe that you genuinely care about him so we're going to try to release invest in the people. I can't imagine what what your to do. List looks like over the coming days but very very high is going to be recruiting and that that involves players that you might have to ask to come back to the program that involves players in the transfer portal. Who are looking for new places that involves obviously kids coming out of out of high school. Walk me through what's had walked me through what the appeal is going to be an already has been to players who were here. This past season that are thinking about coming back are open to coming back. Walk me through. What the transfer portal landscape is gonna look like. I'm sure you were already preparing for in your previous position. And how do you hit the ground running in terms of recruiting kids who are still looking to start their college basketball careers this fall and maybe have the university of cincinnati be part of their thought process short. No i think it starts with the current guys here The guys have been at cincinnati that that came here for the same reason that i came here felt something. Believe something I tried to meet with all of them yesterday. The ones that were here at drove up a net with saunders and his family last night indianapolis trying to get the each one of those guys and tilton that we want to start with the foundation. What's already here And then be really honest about who we are trying to do. And make sure we get that nucleus together And it's about like you said getting out in recruiting so we can put together a competitive roster now within all is. I think it's important that i assemble established quickly Because i certainly can't do all this just by myself so while we're going through that process. I think i'm also trying to put together a staff. Those are the main priority. Is the current players. Then obviously the recruiting piece around put together a great roster and then within that you know trying to get a staff so we can start putting our team together to execute those things There have been. I'm i know you're aware of this We always talk here about the bearcat family and the opinions of former players are often. They're not. They're not shy about expressing how they feel about whatever direction the program was going in. And i've said over the last couple of days. Look we're getting somebody who's a tarheel. And when i think of north carolina basketball i think maybe the biggest extended family in all of college sports. If there's anybody who understands the importance of connecting past to present it's going to be somebody who comes from that family one of your first things one of your first things you did. Was you had a chance to connect with a bunch of former players via zoom I know you're probably. There's probably a lot of that. You don't wanna make public. But can you give us an idea of how you feel that. When and what your impressions from from that. Conversations were the reasons moses. I'm so excited about being in this job because people care so much and the people that care the most because they've been best most of the people that wore the jersey and so when guys that wore the jersey over generations care that much about a program you know which really special from my background. I totally understand that amick. I'm not saying. I understand it here yet but i understand the idea of that and it's really powerful. It's also not simple right as you just mentioned former cincinnati players for the most part. Don't know me yet. They shouldn't just with open arms. Welcome if they care that much. I should have to earn their respect and earn their trust. And i think we'll do that by. We approach things how we let them know how much they matter to our program moving forward we want them included and then i think what i know is they want a certain level of basketball to be played. They want a certain standard of basketball. Because that's what they did when they were eager. And i look forward to get into program to a level that they're really proud of it every time. Run out of that tom. What is the greatest lesson. You've learned that you've applied to your coaching career. From roy williams. It's such a hard question. I've been asked multiple times. It's it's just such a loaded question because there's not one great answer You know he. He sat and i sat in. His office is being recruited there. And the reason i went there was because he asked me what i wanted to do when i was done playing basketball and said i wanna coach and he said you have coming because i will help you that. There's no better place for you to be to help you get into coaching that. He and he's followed through with that twenty foot as the greatest decision i ever made because how much he's helped me grow when mentor me as a coach and it hasn't just stopped when i got a head coaching job. It's gotten stronger and stronger over the years. She's the real deal and it's inspired me to wanna have the same types of relationships in that same type of follow through with the guys that i but the most important thing that i think i can take from this. I'd like to goblins competitive as anybody in the world. And i think williams fits into that category as well but he that competitive he competes the highest possible level but he also has like the moral fiber to not cross a line or two still treat people the right way and i think that's rare in the highest levels of college athletics and it's inspired me to try to live up to that in my coaching career. Another minute because you're being pulled a thousand different directions and you've already been very generous with your time. How you were asked about xavier rivalry today you understand. Rivalries the significance of them. What they mean to people what they mean to fans what they mean to players. How how important is it you. You were asked about xavier game. I'm sure instantly you were asked about it today. How important is it for a head coach to embrace the significance of a rivalry like duke north carolina or here for my money. The best rivalry in college basketball. Cincinnati versus xavier. I mean i love it. I mean we live for this. Right is competitors Coaches you dream about coaching and those types of games you know like you said in another rivalry that That has another intense rivalry. I played in. You dreamed about playing in that game. Those are some of the greatest competitive moment ever had hit the play. I've drained about coaching. And this game. And so i think you know when you wake up in the morning and wanna hit snooze you thinking about beaten xavier right and i can. I can feel just being on the ground here. There were a couple of days and i. i don't. I don't want to get off on the wrong but i think what makes the greatest rivalries great is the success of both programs. Right that that there's no great robbery. One program stinks. It's the accessible. And you got to programs that have had great success in this kind of proximity So i have tremendous respect for that. And i respect for travis. But then we're gonna to beat them. There's no doubt about it every day. Your plate is full as as things. Settle down what are you. What are you looking forward to getting to know about Just living in cincinnati area. Well i think for for the first couple of months because as you mentioned. There's so much to do. I think it's just gonna be trying to get this roster together get a team together on my staff and and and get up and running so we can put a team together to compete the way that everybody expects us to compete on the for next year. But whenever i feel that at least i have a chance to breathe. I wanna find a great place to live. I want to find the best restaurants in talmudic and at some point. I'll get out and play some good dog person. There's some good golf in syria. But i do think it's gonna take a little time because we're not gonna come up for air for awhile. It's funny on our show. We've talked about roy. Williams coming to watch you play. And we've been guessing which golf courses join. So that's going to be a part of the deal when he comes here you also of course i would be not doing my civic responsibility if i didn't tell you to get to skyline chili as soon as possible and i know i'm not the first person or the last to tell you that i'm trying to think if what if i've heard more beat out which i'll let you run really appreciate the time i know that the first day or so it could be a whirlwind so thanks for setting some time for us. Congratulations welcome. a-. Cincinnati were excited. That you're here and looking forward to bothering you often over the coming years. Thanks so much fired up. Thank you got a lot of bearcat fans are west. Miller introduced today as the new head basketball coach at the university of cincinnati. Twenty two minutes after three o'clock lots of thoughts on west. Lots of thoughts on what. He just had to say to us wary of falling for a coach during his press conference. It's happened before where man i thought based on the press conference. This dude is changing the conversation. Luke fickle did that and the results have certainly spoken for themselves. How i did it with john brennan and the results. Frankly were mixed in that. Tenure ended very very quickly. I did it with. Tommy tucker fail and that tenure was mostly a disaster. But i'll i have to go on. Is my conversation with them. And watching today and i can certainly understand why from a purely emotional standpoint folks are are ready by the way mike saunders one of the players who hit the portal within about two minutes of west miller's press conference beginning announced that he was gonna come back to uc. What that means for the other guys. I don't know. I know that west went to indianapolis last night and had a chance to talk with mike and his family and so he has decided to come back and obviously that's one of many spots for next year that he's going to have to fill but he talked to his press conference about being fired up and and look at xavier fan. Maybe rolling your eyes at uc head coach. Talking about beating xavier. When quite frankly the musketeers have had the better of the bearcats for a long time now at the same time. It's funny here coach. Talk about embracing a rivalry. And frankly john brennan did that and he never really got a chance to embrace it. He ever beat xavier mic for all of his success and for all of the attributes. I think if you were to ask most cat fans among the things you wish he would do differently. I guess it would start by beating. Zena podcast yesterday. We chatted with the voice of the unc. Greensboro spartans scott lansky bonski. He was really good. Really likes west. Meller you could hear that. That's available on the podcast page as well as our conversations about the ucla. Basketball situation with chad. Brendel and justin williams. Both were as usual fantastic. Check those out on the podcast. Page of espn fifteen thirty dot com or on the iheartradio out. We are late. 'cause i went along with coach miller there an calling him coach. He's not my coach. We went along with west miller so this is going to be quick. In regards to the the former players heard him talk about a meeting that he had via zoom with a number of the guys minor standing. Kenyon martin was a part of that. Gary clark was a part of that. Damore johnson was part of that. Alex meacham was a part of that. October was a part of that. I believe when he stokes was a part of that. And you know that's gotta be an effort that continues. I'm sure that west miller is going to make a good faith effort to become a member of the quote unquote bearcat family. It is up to them to give him a chance. It's up to two people who were pissed off that. It wasn't eric martin. It's up to them to give west miller a chance. It's up to those people to do. What a lot of people didn't do for mick when he first got the job and let's give him a shot man. You and i both know that there are people for whom mic was. Never going to be accepted. There are people that were never going to embrace him. There were people that were never going to give him a shot to where people that were going either outwardly were root against him or maybe even behind the scenes work against him which is was drastically. Unfair i don't think anything's going to rise to the level of that level of toxicity that was there in two thousand six two thousand seven. But all you do all the guy deserves is a shot is a chance i said yesterday i was. I was disappointed for eric martin. Four eric i was not disappointed for. Uc was not disappointed for myself as a fan do deserve a shot. And i don't know what the alternative is like. I understand being skeptical to a degree. I understand expressing some of frustration. That the person you wanted to get the job didn't get it. I don't understand what there is about. West miller's background that would suggest he's not qualified for the gig or make you think that it was a bad higher but if you're worried about the relationship between the coach and the players i frankly i think it's it's on the players to give him a shot. My understanding is that back and forth with wes. now he's on a first name basis with me with miller and the former players was productive and good and there was a good back and forth and guys were honest but accepting and embracing and willing to help. And that's got to be part of this man. They've they've got a west. Miller has to involve the bearcat family if you will. They have to want to be involved and they have to want to be productive. They have to want to give him a shot and if they're not willing to then that can't be something that he or anybody else worries about. There's something hovering over this baseball season. That i i wish the reds would have been better prepared for it. Maybe it's not going to be a big deal. But i fear it will be especially after watching the first twelve games. We'll get to that next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Sports update is a service of kelsey. Chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsey chef dot com reds. Are back at home tonight. I have three against the indians. At great american ballpark. Jeff hoffman and logan allen will be. You're starting pitchers. Logan allen is a lefty which starting lineup sort of stands out a little bit. Because jesse winker is leading off against the lefty castanos vodka suarez. Follow him then. Newstalk his zell. India stevenson behind the plate hoffman on the hill. Seven ten tonight on seven hundred. Wwl w sonny gray is set to make his 2021 debut tomorrow reds placing on the ten day injured list aristide is a keno with a left hand fracture. They have recalled from the alternate site. Max schreck who makes his reds debut. He plays aquino this morning. Had surgery to remove the hook of the hammett. I've never heard of that. The hook of the heyman. That sounds like the name of an album or something. He had surgery to remove the hook of the hamish and his left hand. Tearing can you look out for me. What does the hook of the hayman in his left hand. I mean it's a bone. I guess in his left hand What else what else wants miller introduced today as the head. Men's basketball coach at the university of cincinnati. Mikey saunders announcing on twitter that he's going to run it back and come back to uc for his sophomore season. One of the basketball note. Travis deal announced today that jonas hayes has been promoted to associate head coach after completing his third season as an assistant on the staff. Cincinnati set for the season opener. Tomorrow at nashville. That game starts at eight thirty and you can hear it live on. Espn fifteen thirty in the uc. Spring game set for tomorrow at nippert stadium as well. Reds are seven five off. And i haven't changed my mind about this team when they were six in one. I didn't jump to the point that i thought. Suddenly this was going to be a ninety five win team and now they're coming off a road trip. That was not good. They didn't score in their last game. And the game before that they blew a four. Nothing first-innings lead in a game that you know you got to win the game. In which tyler molly pitches well or you got to win the game. Which louise castio pitches. Well both would be great. One would be one one would be nice. You got to win both. There's there's a part of me there's more to like the not like offensively. There's lots of dudes who off to good starts and it's you don't wanna make rash conclusions about the season based on them and they're seven and five which that's here. Let's do it now. let's let's do it. Got the calculator on my phone. Seven point a five eighty three pace over once. That's a ninety four and a half win pace if the reds were ninety four and a half when games they will win the national league central. That's a good pace but the bullpen right. Now there's not a lot of what you would call reliable starting pitchers taryn and i were having this conversation before the show about starting pitching sunny gray is gonna come back. Louise casio's off to a slow start. Three starts not sure. It's worth panicking. But he started three times to those starts have been bad the back end of this rotation. You're still running. The likes of jeff hoffman. And there's something kind of precarious about that as well to remind just a quick reminder of what's gonna kind of looming over this entire season all across baseball the fact that this season everybody's gonna play one hundred sixty two games last year. Everybody played sixty except for the cardinals who played like fifty eight. Nobody made twenty starts nobody through one hundred fifty innings. Nobody through one hundred eighty innings. Nobody through two hundred innings this year. Starting pitchers for the most part going to be asked to make roughly thirty starts. Maybe more than that and throw something approaching one hundred and seventy one hundred eighty and i know we're in this era of pictures not going as deep into games but still more is going to be asked of starting pitching this year than last year. Which means that. If you compare this season to a normal one hundred and sixty two game year there's going to be more of a premium put on bullpen work because teams are going to have to monitor innings more closely based on the added workload from last year. You had louise. Casteel is going to fro a number of innings that is closer to the twenty nineteen workload than the two thousand twenty workload last season in a year in which he did. Not miss a start. i'm just using him. As an example he threw seventy innings over his first three seasons that the innings count grew one hundred and sixty nine in two thousand eighteen that increased by twenty two thousand nine thousand nine. It dropped because of covid. It dropped to one hundred and a dropped by one hundred and twenty innings last year. It is hard to imagine that a year. After throwing just seventy innings. He's going to get back to one ninety. And then there's nothing to do with his performance thus far it's hard to imagine anybody your average starting pitcher getting close to two hundred innings. Teams are gonna monitor these things more closely which means that managers teams are going to be more cautious of their arms and their starting pitchers and more. I think they're going to pay closer attention to work loads and be more willing to take guys out simply for the sake of saving their arms for later in the season and managing that increase load from two thousand twenty one compared to two thousand and twenty. Which means you better be set in the bullpen. So i flipped back to where we were with rice. selig lacey's an archie bradley. Two guys the reds. I know i've harped on this a lot to guys the reds. Let get away this off season and by the way archie. Bradley is gonna miss about a month. Because he's got an injured side muscle and so who knows if that's a thing if he's a red but it's worth making a part of the conversation. They let archie bradley and rice. Selig laziest go in anaheim. They're already talking about the best ways to use rice his statistics so far early this season. Great but they still allowed to historically good relief pitchers to get away and they're filling their spots for the most part with dudes who don't have a very high ceiling reclamation projects guys that you're trying to tap into to get something they haven't given other teams before guys you're giving to derrick johnson hoping he can somehow get those pitchers either back to a place that used to be or to a place. They've never been before. The thing is though in a year like this where the workload for every starting pitcher is going to increase by roughly twenty starts which means you're gonna have a quicker hook unusual because you want those pictures to make those twenty starts. This is a year where relief pitching is more important than maybe ever in a year like that you moved on from a couple of pretty. Good relievers yes. There was cost cutting considerations. I understand that and there are still some pretty capable. Relief pitchers back there. I still believe that a mirror. Garrett's got a shot at being an all-star. I like sean doolittle. I've seen some good things from carson. Fulmer seen some good things from sal romano but there's nobody that i think right now you would say is reliable you might still say amir garrett's reliable despite the numbers not being great by any stretch a lot of that skewed because he's pitched three innings in one. He gave up a grand slam but relief. Pitching has never been more important and yet this front office. It felt like from my baseball perspective. Had a pretty dismissive attitude about having as well put together a bullpen. As possible. Let some key guys go and just fill it with other dudes and there are years where i think that could work might work for this team this year but i really do believe there should have been a little bit more consideration. Paid to in terms of constructing your bullpen. Paid to the fact. Starting pitchers are probably going to have a hard time reaching their normal workloads. And that's anecdotal some. Have an easier time than others. You're to be more aware of innings counts and pitch counts this year. For your starters than ever means you're going to be more willing to go to the bullpen early and often that something. You're easier and better equipped to do when you've got a really good bullpen and the reds might prove to have a good bullpen. But they have a harder time having a good bullpen. When you let a couple of pretty good relievers giveaway twelve minutes away from four o'clock. Fc cincinnati on the pitch tomorrow. Our buddy pat brennan from the enquirer previews the season coming up at four twenty more on the ucla basketball situation coming up as well over unders for the upcoming nfl. Season are outs. And i feel really good about were. The bengals are from a a wagering standpoint and team standpoint that coming up at four o five on espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. The injured list aristide is a keynote tear. By the way to look that up for me. Do we know what the lack left hook. The hemant is a hammett h. m. at we know what that is. Amit what is it. It's in his left hand. I've i didn't know you had a hook in your hand. What is that. what is the hook. You might the technical. The technical definite. Well now gimme your definition. I is the bone right below. Your right below your. Oh blow your thumb here right well. You're you're pointing. you're looking at your pinky. Did you confused. Thank you for them. Yes i broke my hand playing softball twelve years ago right here like i'm a little bit about two inches beneath my pinky that i also close and it was on my left hand. Is it possible. That aristide is a keno and i have suffered the same injury. How long were you out out from. What doing a talk show no days. No days were missed your plans. I played softball. So here's the thing. I'll never forget it because my dad passed away on may twentieth which was a tuesday and i was in a a sunday night softball and i played that sunday and i broke my hand so that would have been the twenty fifth and i had to go to the hospital. I think i went the next day. And i texted a buddy of mine. And he's like dude. You have had an awful week. So that was made the twenty fifth. I was playing softball because there was another injury to another guy like right before fourth of july. It's about a month. Now that was barely slow pitch softball This is major league baseball. We're talking about what the punt down pretty sure. You didn't play with much risk. There's a lot of risk of aquino compact purely well. Yeah six eight weeks. Six to eight weeks is what is that. What the what is the gimme. The clinical definition of the left hook of the he had surgery right. I didn't have surgery. I just a cast on it. Foams part of the guy canal also nowhere. That boat got stuck also known as the owner canal. Okay located along. The lower edge of the palm is bounded by the pits form another carpal bone and a number of muscles and ligaments. I'm just going to say that. Aristide is akina. My favorite player. And i have now had the same injury. We both suffered at playing a form of baseball may in a collision behind second base with nick broker because he had no used to produce this show just making a jerk out of himself trying to run down a pop up when i clearly had it and he clipped me. I landed awkwardly on my glove. Hand and i broke my hand. And i don't know specifically aquino i guess. He entered it on wednesday major artery nerve passes through the hand through. Here's it hurt. Like hell. And it was swollen. And i but i didn't have surgery but i was back playing within about a month month and a half. I played in a softball tournament that year round fourth of july. And i so. I didn't play with a cast on and i want to say the cast came off after three weeks and then it was like a soft cast at a hard red cast. That smelled like the worst thing i've ever smelled in my life. By the time was taken off buddha's leave it at you and kinoshita same interest. Yeah and now. I know what the hook of the hate is. Is it it. It is hemant. Hammett hook the hammett. That's what he's got. So i answered your question for you even though you didn't call it the right thing. It's not the deal anymore. It's the i got no longer works here. So what's that would correct guy but he no longer works here. So who guy who said referred to as the deal yeah. That guy doesn't work here anymore. Well then then. What are we have them here for. Greg shirts right yeah all right a couple minutes away. From four o'clock vega says the bengals over under the projected win total is six and a half hour. We free the results of a poll. Question that you may or may not have participated in related to that and we'll get to whether or not you should hit the over or under and if you're hitting the under perhaps you would explain. Why plus c. Cincinnati is starting season tomorrow in nashville or buddy pat brennan from cincinnati dot. Com is going to join us and we all want former bearcat players to help out west miller but but what if they don't i don't think is going to be a major concern but still what if they don't we'll get to the answer to that incredibly important question coming up at four forty on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. No one covers the bengals. Espn fifteen thirty cincinnati's sports station. All right it's off. I've ever four this. Espn fifteen thirty million small. Egger glad you're here Hug the weekends off to a great start by the way. If you missed west miller at the top of the show joined us out of the gun at three oh five will reenter for you at five forty. You'll have another chance kind of just like ease yourself into the weekend with the new coach of the bearcats. It's a busy sports. We can read indian. Sunny gray comes back. Which is is big. That's been the good news. The bad news is michael. Lorenzen says he's targeting june to come back and start but still a long time from now first things first. Jeff hoffman the reds. Trying to break a small game losing streak. I of three against the indians tonight number seven ten fridays all the weeknight games. Thus far have been six forty seven ten tonight four ten tomorrow and when ten on sunday afternoon. Fc cincinnati starts this weekend against nashville. You'll hear it live tomorrow night on. Espn fifteen thirty. Buddy pat brennan from cincinnati dot com previews the season his preview the season for the inquirer was pretty pretty comprehensive. So we'll dovetail from that at four twenty with pat and west miller. His era is off to a good good start. All i can do as judge by things that are happening in press conferences media sessions. But more importantly what's happening with guys that he wants to play you see and from that standpoint things are going pretty well at least early plus brennan and jones on baseball. We'll get to vegas over under for the bengals here in just a second. But i mike is calling from seattle. Mike you're on. Espn fifteen thirty. How are you know considering the on the Thinks like baseball west coast journey. And i feel so lucky. I wish you were with me. It's really been a serious. You have enjoyed it more. And i thought i would so You're going to be in in seattle tonight correct. Yeah we're playing the houston asks Do some negative. You know what. I mean the houston astros the astros the houston asterix. How about that. Yeah the cheaters cheated. My dog has got a best anyway. yeah so it's it's pretty. I was in seattle long time ago. I didn't have much recollection of it. But boy i'll tell you one green bed boy up here. It is green on green now. Have you had the t mobile park. I've not been have you. Will this be your first foray inside this park yes sir. Oh i'm jealous i'm jealous. It's on my list. I'm jealous want me to take some. Pics are concern them g. I just sent him to the station at espn dot. Com is my email address. Send me some photo. Oh i should know that. Because i've got some stored up from the trip because this'll be the sixth stadium. I thought it was in oakland for the tigers. Well we won't talk about. Their stadium has probably but they have the best uniforms in baseball. I think with you there. I got i got about sixty seconds here. What's on your mind. i forget but i well listen. Enjoy your weekend in seattle. I want a full review the ballpark because it is on my list. Okay and and the only reason i can there be curtain of you and super teams. Is that what. We're calling him now or the well. I call him other things. But i don't know what you call him by his back super to enjoy the weekend mike. Thank you take care right. chad randall. From bearcat journal dot com is calling in with. What's it says on. My screen is breaking news. What's up chat. nothing. I d- west miller is is currently in meetings with players that with mike adams. Woods my god. Dad was wanted to stay home. That's good news that with me. Manson no decision yet. But i'm told the visit went very very well and i think things look good for the potential return of mason. That as well all right. That looks good that. That's that's where we're at so far right now mike. No mike. saunders has Announced on twitter. That he's coming back he's running back running back. What might that mean for tari isam. My understanding is tari is a is back. Home outlast I initially thought seattle. But i think he might be where he is originally from los angeles West miller is is planning a trip to go see charis planning very good so they they will meet in person all right so so things are off to a good start. Correct those things when all classified to me is off to a good start. Okay the other thing. Go ahead i. I was very impressed with less miller today and my understanding is the players meeting with him have been very impressive as well. I was impressed with him today. I i've seen our buddy justin williams and he may have done this as well but he. He tweeted out details of the contract. The number that stood out to me was the the assistance pool. One point three million dollars. I don't know what it was before. I don't know what usually is. I don't know what it is around the country that strikes me is pretty high. That is apparently for all assistants. Not just for the bench assists for everybody for everybody. So you're director of ops your video coordinator recruiting coordinator on top of three assistance for john. Brennan i believe it was one point. One five million. So it's getting a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for west. Miller is a full position is being added to west miller's staff essentially what are you hearing about the meeting that he had via zoom former players I heard it was very good. I heard kenyon. Martin was was vocal not surprising vocal dude from my understanding He let west miller know that we didn't have a problem with you. We wanted our guy to get the job and my understanding. West miller had a great response which was look if they would have hired somebody from outside the family to be the head coach at at north carolina. All of us would have been pissed off last being a former captain and player in north carolina. So i think there was some middle ground reach their that. It was understands the importance of of former players to the program I wouldn't be shocked to see some kind of player involvement as he builds his staff going forward. I don't know exactly who. Or what or how that will play out but I i was told that the players from the couple that i've talked to were very impressed. He made a good impression. Obviously there's the kids who have decided to go from you see to the transfer portal. Gimme a reasonable timeline. Here when you could start to read about kids who are in the transfer portal looking to find somewhere to play that maybe list. Cincinnati as a possible destination. This guy seems like he is Relied less so. I don't think it will take long to start hearing that Cincinnati is involved involved with with players in the transfer portal. My guess would. Maybe the sunday monday depending on You know when. I think we'll see more of that when he gets maybe his first assistant in line I think i might have a decent idea who that will be. But i don't have. It confirmed yet. I can. I can give you a name if you'd like. Yeah sure yes. Mike roberts mike robertson former indiana. Who's your Been with indiana was with archie miller the past two years they just basically made him sat maters assistant. So he's the assistant to the general manager. Okay And he i you know what he did the eight years before that male. Unc greensboro was the associate head coach at unc greensboro. How'd you know who he went to high school with Less miller he he went to high school with less miller. so host. You guys know each other pretty pretty well. I would say if you're looking for the first member of i if there's odds on that if you can get odds on the first member of west miller staff. I would take odds on on mike robert. Have you had a chance to to chat with west yet. One on one. A little bit briefly What he knew who i was. Merely somebody put it put in a good word for me. that might have coached in the final four this year interesting well. That's really nice. Kelvin sampson do that. It was. I mean you know. Calvin and i are tight. I understand i understand of the media event which lasted about forty minutes. What was what was the biggest takeaway. You had understanding of cincinnati basketball. I think was the biggest thing for me. I mean that's that's that's what everybody's worried about right. You hire somebody from the outside. They don't have an understanding of cincinnati basketball His message was was actually very on point for me because he said what i thought which is my style of play is cincinnati bearcats basketball. And and you know reading up on him and watching some unc greensboro stuff. they're aggressive. They played tough physical defense. They press they get after you. They create turnovers. They really hit the offensive glass. Hard so he seemed to have a really good understanding of this program. Its history its importance and he seemed to buy into that completely. So for me that was the biggest takeaway That and he wants to kick xavier's behind. Yeah look. i think that's fun at either school when the coach embraces the rivalry. I think that's fun. And there have been coaches here. Who haven't done that and look chris. Mack did travis. Steel does John did win any of the games that he's not here anymore. I think it's i think if you're xavier fan it's funny here. The other guy talk about the significance of the rivalry. And if you're a bear cats fan. God knows it's cool to hear. The coach at uc talk about the significance in the importance of the rivalry. Just another game. But i had to fight to get that in. They were gonna cut the press conference off without anybody asking about xavier right and i. I had that quietly argue with with ryan kozulin from like forty feet away. 'cause he said one last question Joe danamon asked a great question but it wasn't about xavier and pointing across the room at qasr going. I'm asking one more question like whether you like it or not. I'm getting on the record. About xavier and ryan acquiesced and let me ask my questions that was nice so again the the transfer portal guys and returning players. There's there's a lot to be encouraged about in terms of those kids either staying at or returning to use yes. Things are off to a very positive start mail. And that's all you can ask for a. I can't go to the spring game tomorrow but were what would be the the the one thing would tell me to pay attention to. I think the biggest thing to pay attention to tomorrow having grader i agree we are one. Snap away from the evan era And he he's gonna have to grow up quick. This is the first time. We're gonna see really. Evan prater under under the lights if you will i think it is an important afternoon for avin prater. That is where my focus will be all right. Good stuff as always. Thank you for calling by the way. How was i as a podcast. You're asking a the question asked you. Were great you were you were you. Were fantastic you getting good feedback on me as the latest podcast on the bearcat journal. Podcast yes i am every it is it is. It is well respected as well. Listen to The numbers are good. that i checked The the overnight numbers were very strong. So people were happy with you as a as a guest on the and it's not the first time you've been a guest on the bbc j. appearance yes so it was. It was important third appearance because there was a lot going on this time. It wasn't just like it's june. let's have mo- on. Yeah which is what. It was the first time. And then the second time you had me on talk about should. Cincinnati played miami and football anymore. And this time there was actually something important. Talk about right it was. It was an important conversation. And i'm glad that you were a part of it. I was happy to be a part of it Thanks for chiming. If you hear anything else feel free. You call the hotline. Call it again. Let us know all right. Thanks i will write chad. Rental bearcat journal dot com eighteen minutes. After four o'clock so things are moving in the right direction. We were late and we gotta get our guy. Pat brown on fc cincinnati plays tomorrow will preview the season with him next big day for us. Yesterday it was announced that Fc cincinnati is back on its original radio home right here. Espn fifteen thirty destined time for the season to begin tomorrow night fc. Cincinnati road for the first three row tilts before they christened the new stadium at nashville tomorrow. Evening thirty right here on. Espn fifteen thirty in all year long covering the orange and blue with no peer is our buddy pat brennan. He has done a season preview. It's available at cincinnati dot com as as well as on twitter at p brennan e. n. q. And always good to come on with us. It's nice to have you. How are you doing really well. It's great to talk to you again. Man socrates in cincinnati great. There's there's some. I detect among most fc. Cincinnati fans cautious optimism based on. What has been a busy off season of all the offseason developments for this club. What was the most significant. Ooh that's a great question I could go a lot of directions there. I think the easy answer is probably the obvious. Answer is Brenner sousa silva the twenty one year old brazilian that they paid big -nificant money to bring in to be kind of the guy offensively for fc cincinnati if that signing pans out the way even you know a little bit the way people hope and expect it will fc cincinnati. We'll be head and shoulders. Above what it has been its first two years in. Mls mel goal scoring the first two years in mls. Needless to say has been an issue. How much based on what. They've done this off. Season has that been rectified I think is significant amount. And i'm saying that without having seen too too much of them in person with my own two is which makes it really hard for me to evaluate right. And that's just that's just. That's just a symptom of the pandemic. You know it's been talked about a lot media accession the pandemic for sports teams. I personally don't begrudge anyone over that but it has made my job harder and even with that you know considering for the lack of games. I've seen this play a this team play and that i haven't seen him kick a ball in person with my own two eyes what i have seen and certainly what i've heard and i am willing to trust the organization on a lot of what i've heard is that the offense is just significantly significantly improved. Because you like a lot of sports like basketball on our sixers are next mo- guys second. You need guys that can put it in the whole but you need facilitators to get it to the guys who are going to score the ball right. So that's he. Cincinnati has never really had the one thing they definitely lacked in addition to goal scoring. Is that game changing facilitator and they went out and acquired a guy Highly touted internationally as actually played a fair amount of his time and mls. his name is luciano acosta and he plays a very critical kind of transitional position To put it in layman's terms and he is going to be the facilitator this year for guys like brenner. Lie just mentioned and you're going to cottiaux for however much longer he's here and everyone else that is going to be You know. I don't have to be at every practice session to know that having that guy having a competent player at that position is it's just going to change things enormously because this team. This is a club that two years ago allowed a record number of goals in major league soccer last year. They had seven on clean sheets. That's the correct term that seven clean sheets guy got a guy. 'cause i called him shutouts last year in a guy got mad at me so they were better in that regard. How much does that and part of that might have been style of play and we talked about that often last year part of that might have been style but how much of that can carry over. How much of that improvement can carry over and even be built upon this year. I that's actually one of the areas. Where a little bit concerned about this team oh They had some key players including kendall watson kind of big bruising hulking center defender kind of in the middle of the defense He's no longer with team. Also had a really nice player on the left. Wing named andrew. Gutman he's no longer with this team. I think that The defense actually mo while. That was a strength last year. And i think like twenty one verse twenty twenty one versus twenty nineteen se. Cincinnati will still be markedly improved from that initial team. That gave up a record amount of goals. Like you mentioned. But i actually. I my concern for this team is that they might regress a little bit defensively. They have some new faces back there. they don't have quite the level of cohesion just in terms of continuity just in terms of guys that have played together that are coming back to the same team and they're kind of peace mailing it right now. They have some New centreback that they've acquired who's promising but he cut his teeth in the ecuadorian. First division. i don't know that that's a great proving ground. And i don't know that anyone knows for sure that this guy is going to translate the instant success in adolescent fc cincinnati so That's a big question mark for me. I think you know if the if the baseline that were judging them by is that twenty nineteen which i think in in many cases that is the case this is still going to be a better defense more or less whether or not they can defend at the level that they defended that last year. I that's to be determined. There's a lot of Few question walks along that that back line. So that's gonna be an interesting thing to watch tomorrow and well into the summer. Pat brennan covers fc cincinnati for the inquirer and cincinnati dot com. He's on twitter. At p brennan ian queue you mentioned the word continuity and go back fourteen fifteen months where we're dealing with a coaching change. That sort of that whole drama unfolded very very quickly. They introduced a new coach. Wants the season had already started during the shutdown and they they put Yop stom- in place before the tournament and orlando and it's it's just been a really chaotic last two two and a half years from from a coaching standpoint. from a front office standpoint. It does feel now though like they are structured at the front office and technical levels like an actual major league soccer franchise. I'm not sure. I could have said that. At the beginning of the twenty nine thousand nine hundred. And i feel like i could say that now and that can't be anything but a good thing. Yeah it's a great thing. I think the yobs thumb is Not just you know. There was always a sense with alan koch and twenty nineteen and With gerard or excuse. Me jarred with ron yawns. Before he was fired. I mean there was a sense. That was a temporary nature just a just an aura of temporary miss around their positions in the club and nothing was guaranteed well into the future for them and nothing's guaranteed to too far into the future for tom. But you get the sense that for the first time ever. They have a head coach in. Mls that is the guy and he's been working in concert With general manager to bring in the kinds of players that he wants for his system. As you and i talked about in the past that players that suit this head coach that he likes that he has already with from other stops and his career And the word that comes to mind. They like i already said continuity you know the head coach last year in preseason was able to work with the team and work with the general manager. Gerard camp to do the same thing. But then he went and got himself fired in mid-february so like you said right out of the gate just kind of chaos you have. The none of these things are lying. They either had the head coach but not the players. That head coach wanted or the gm wasn't in place and so on and so forth. It's just kind of all. Those pieces have been mixed match since fc. Cincinnati came into mls. Really all in. They are more in alignment today than they have ever been. And i think that's going to breed a much. More success ultimately a much more successful onfield products for this organization. You've you've offered up a prediction for the season that's available and the piece you did for this morning at cincinnati dot com. I'll send people to that But on top of that. I guess what i would want to know. What what what for made what from a win loss. Point standpoint constitutes a successful season for this club. that's a great asset. Really good question. Because while i said in the in the piece that you mentioned on cincinnati dot com i expect fc cincinnati to finish Around eleventh place. I think it could be hard going early in the season. I three games on the road all against really talented playoff teams from last year. They could play really good soccer and lose all three of those games. Nine of i fifteen on the road that in that sense i think that the deck is stacked against fc cincinnati plus. They have all these new faces. I just don't think it looks great for them. The outlook at the in the first half of the season but You know i. I think they could get you know. If they're in the area of look they on average last year being kind of the outlier because they had ten teams and it was a pandemic shortened crazy season on average. You need about forty five to fifty points in the standings to qualify for that seventh and final playoff spot in the eastern conference since they went to seven teams I don't think jesse cincinnati will be I don't think they're gonna cross that threshold obviously By virtue of my prediction finish and eleven place. I think they could get close to forty. I think they could be in the mid thirties. I think they could have eight or nine wins which would be almo- almost equal The amount that they've had over the first two seasons combined okay. So i'm not talking about a world-beating product this coming year And i don't think too. Many people expect that to be the case. Although i think like you said people are cautiously optimistic and holding out. Hope that could happen. Not a lotta people expected but when you talk about this team being in the in the realm of eight or nine wins you throw in some ties there. And if they're in the mid thirties in terms of points and you know they put some distance between themselves and the seller of that eastern conference where they've been absolutely trapped the last two years. That's that is a reasonably good return. If you're being fair yeah. Everyone wants to see him in the playoffs. That's not necessarily realistic. That's that would take a big jump. That probably takes more than one off season. That's where i think they'll end up. Probably thirty five to forty points in the standings and Respectable formidable ultimately not a playoff team. And that's okay. that's okay. They were digging out of a big hole and they still are give me. I got forty five seconds. Here give me a quick review. The first home game in the new stadiums go a month from today. Gimme gimme a forty five second review of the stadium or how the game stadium this old. It's it's fantastic. I i was lucky enough to Tore the stadium with the players and it was the players. i tore. this happened on monday. So usually these guys are little too cool. you know. They don't like to get their hands emotionally at anytime on or off the field but you could see through the hard hats and you know the surgical pandemic masks like they were really in all of the stadium. It's world class. Everyone i talk. I've been writing about it for some stuff. We have coming down the line though. This stadium looks like it could be in london or amsterdam or just name. The big european city where soccer is very rich in its history and very popular. That's what the western stadium looks like consents. Atty it's just. It's going to be really cool with where things stand right now in the nba eastern conference the knicks. Hold a six spot which means they would avoid the plan. That is good news for you as a seventy sixers fan if they hold onto the first or second seed see them until the eastern conference finals comment on that. I don't want. I don't want to touch the nick and good with that with that. I think about where we both. We both take that. Wouldn't we catch. Are you kidding me. Take it getting not responsible for what i would do. If if that were to be the kings. I appreciate it as always and we'll do it again. Thanks so much. Thank so. I'm going to have a good on ads. Pat brennan cincinnati dot com covers. Fc cincinnati you'll hear the game live tomorrow night from nashville on espn. Fifteen thirty starts at eight thirty brennaman and jones on baseball in about fifteen minutes on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station from david bell. Coming up in the five o'clock hour also one hour from now interview with new. Uc head coach. Les miller formally introduced today. A couple of things really quickly may disorganized mess. There's my card Sports updates is service of kelsey chevrolet. I only had the entire break to find the card service of kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for live kelsey chef dot com reds and indians. Tonight at great american ballpark first of a three game. Series of for the vaunted ohio cop seven tenths. Tonight's first pitch. Jeff hoffman will start the game for cincinnati. He'll be opposed by lefty by the name of logan allen. Cleveland just continues to crank out really good young. Starting pitching your starting line at this evening. Winker leads off against the lefty followed by casting his veto. Soiree says mustafa send sell india. Stevenson and hoffman is batting ninth. Aristide is keno goes on The interlaced with a broken bone in his left hand max rock has been called up from the alternate training site. Meanwhile west miller formerly introduced this morning as the new basketball coach at the university of cincinnati. Mikey saunders has tweeted out that he is coming back to uc for what will be his sophomore season One other college basketball note. Xavier today announced the jonas hayes has been promoted to associate head coach. Andrew spending three seasons on travis steel staff as an assistant coach. Fc cincinnati nashville tomorrow on espn fifteen. Thirty game starts at eight thirty and you see spring. Game is tomorrow as well. Seventeen from five o'clock. I've been wanting to get to this. And then chad called in with breaking news. Pat brennan the william hill sportsbook released today. Projected win totals for the two thousand twenty one. Nfl season the cincinnati bengals. Who last year. Most books had five a half for many at closed six. When the season started for the bengals this year the projected win. Total is six and a half only a handful of other teams have lower projected win totals for the upcoming season. The new york jets the detroit. Lions the jacksonville jaguars and the houston texans. Each projected to have lower win totals than the bengals. this year. The texans who are a total disaster right now five the lions five jets jaguars six cincinnati six and a half. Top total belongs to kansas city at twelve tampa bay eleven and a half green bay in baltimore eleven so also in the division. The browns ten pittsburgh at nine. I will crush the under with the steelers. Poll question at malaga. Fifteen thirty and i try to frame this in a specific way. Because i want you to think about what you and this was admittedly hard for some people to do. It's easy to go over but right it's an amount of money you have to go either way. It's an amount of money that matters to you. Where're you going over under six. And a half seventy two percent. Say over six and a half. This is somewhat easy for me. I'm going over now. mind you over. Doesn't necessarily mean they have to win. Twelve games it means. They have to win seven two basic variables for me. I am going to assume that. Joe burrow right now is going to play the overwhelming majority of those games. Possibly seventeen one might say likely seventeen. The other part of this is the game total this year. Seventeen games the extra games at home at home against a team. That's going to be pretty tough san francisco. I don't get as involved with the schedule. Is going to be tougher this year though. That obviously is a major variable. Because who knows how the season is gonna unfold. Can the bengals go seven and ten. Can they increase their win. Total by three joe burrow for a full season fifth overall pick possibly being an impact player a defense. that is overhauled. I'm not sure how much better it's gonna be seventeen games. Can they go seven and ten. You might be among the twenty eight percent. Says there's no way. I am going to put money on the bengals heading the over but i will say this if this team is six and eleven at the end of the year. What are we doing. I mean legitimately say whatever you want about their approach in free agency who they should take the draft when all that pans out if this results in a team that can't hit the over you talk about a low bar. I'm not. I'm not even discussing go to. The playoffs are having a winning record. I'm going vegas over. Under which by the way last year. I think a lot of people viewed that way right. It's going to be a successful year. If they can hit the over boroughs injury might have had something to do with that. But let's be honest hitting the over last year would have been six wins. Means they win. Four of those games. Joe didn't play. they want to. They went to more Think it might be a stretch to say. Yes and i'm in love with. Joe pearl was a player i it sorta does go to show. The expectations for this team are still going to be pretty low. The roster top to bottom is not yet viewed as overwhelmingly good in the draft is going to change that to a degree. I don't know from a projection from a vegas standpoint. And that's only one way looking at things from vegas standpoint that the draft is going to send that number drastically higher from six and a half to eight and a half or nine and a half so i would buy now if you do think that and i don't think it's going to go down based on what happens in the draft. It may come down by half a win if you find out that burrows not gonna play week one because he's not yet ready but this simple for me healthy joan an extra game. Seven wins if seven wins isn't doable. This whole thing needs to be reexamined and maybe blown up i. I'm sorry man. You can't hit the vegas over again. I'm not talking about having a winning record or get into the postseason. You can't hit the vegas over. If you're zac taylor dude. I can't do it anymore. For four unproven head coach. No track record. Can't even hit seven wins now. This all changes. If joe burrow something bad happens to him and he can't play the majority of their games. That's a game changer. There are injuries that would be game changers but frankly i don't know man the year one to year two leap different type of off season for the team itself. An impact player with the fifth overall. Pick defense overhaul one might say upgrades a better right. Tackle mixing healthy coming into the season. Seven wins to me is not just doable. It is a baseline bottom line. Expectation baseline expectation. My money is on the over and frankly pretty confidently so my job. I'm usually the guy that says they're either going to go ten and six six and ten i that now. That's an a sixteen game here. I don't think they're gonna go ten and seven. I'll think they're going to go six and eleven. Either and i feel i. Frankly feel more comfortable about ten wins than i would eleven losses. I'm crushing the over. I'm like seventy two percent over eighteen in fact over one thousand nine hundred votes now at malaga fifteen thirty. You can get your vote in. But i felt i said to tony pike today. I feel like this is gonna finish around eight percent over not quite that but pretty up domestic nonetheless. Ten minutes away from five o'clock brennaman and jones on baseball minutes away on. Espn fifteen thirty. No uncovers bingos. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station seven minutes. After five o'clock this is espn fifteen thirty. I'm allegra so glad you're here coming up. You're gonna hear david bell talk about aristotle's aquino who's gone on the injured list with what we have determined. Is these same broken hand. That i had twelve years ago playing softball. Plus he'll give an update on shogo akiyama as reds set to play the indians tonight. I three gb and thought on fc cincinnati as they get set to begin their season tomorrow. Night against nashville. You'll also hear coming up in about twenty five minutes. My conversation with the new men's basketball coach at the university of cincinnati west miller who was formerly introduced. Today you will hear him talk about among other things the zoom call that he had last night with a bunch of former players by the way. It's also worth mentioning. Mike saunders has made it known via his twitter account that he is planning on coming back to the university of cincinnati after he had entered the transfer portal with wes. Yet press conference today. That excited a lot of people i am. I'm always a little wary of falling in love with coach at the introductory press conference. There are times where. I feel really good about a coach after the press conference and ends up working out. Luke fickle felt different than tommy tucker ville and the results have been different than the ones that tommy tucker phil posted. I felt great about his press conference. John brennan press conference. I walked away from thinking. Yup well results. Let's be honest. They weren't terrible but it didn't completely tommy tucker villes press pep rally and that felt more like a pep rally that a press conference member thinking like. Wow mood has changed all right. Let's go and that didn't work out. But all i can do is go on what i've seen and heard over the last day or so. I see and hear a guy who seems to be in touch with what the program has become understands. The importance of forming an identity understands the rebuilding project at hand here has established some good early relationship with current players. seems genuinely fired up to be the basketball coach here and understands the importance of family. We've heard a lot about former players. We've seen the reaction of former players to cincinnati non hiring. Eric martin west miller had zoom call with former players yesterday afternoon. Kenyon martin was on the call. Gary clark was on the call. Damore johnson was on the call among others. Alex october believe lenny. Stokes was on the call in regards to the former players. And look. It's cool when those guys are around. Okay what program. You're it for savior fan. It's cooling former xavier players. Come around right. It's cool when they're a part of the program. It's cool when they want to be involved. It's cool when they wanna help and certainly. The coach has to be willing to accept their help and has to do his part to either maintain the relationship or in some cases fixed the relationship between the program as it exists currently at guys who are part of the fabric of that program and one of the exciting things about west miller is. He seems to understand the importance of that. Which is we talked about this a little bit yesterday. Not a surprise. Due to carolina guy the carolina basketball family is something you hear about all the time to your college hoops fan but it is on the players to give him a chance and my guess is most if not all will give him a chance. You could be disappointed by an outcome. You could be disappointed by a decision like when it comes to politics. When my candidate doesn't win i always went to give whoever won a shot. Sometimes i give them a shot and disappointed. Sometimes i give them a shot. And i end up being pleasantly surprised. They oh west miller shot. But you know. Let's let's be honest about the last time you see basketball. Needed a rebuild. And frankly i don't think the job that west miller has in front of him is nearly as uphill as the one that mick cronin walked into a fifteen years ago when mitt got the job that was a pretty rough toxic environment where there was an and understandably so a disconnect between bearcats of the president and bearcats of the past. Well guess what mixed had a job to do. And if former players wanted to help great if former players were allowed to help could ask that question but former players wanted to help great but just because they couldn't doesn't mean the program's good to sit still without them and make rebuilt this program in an atmosphere. That for whatever reason no matter who was at fault oftentimes felt disconnected at least for a while from what you see basketball. Used to be where players were pissed off. And he's very understandably so and many did not want anything to do with the program and that could not preclude me from doing his job. And i feel the same thing about west miller It's great if those guys are involved you have to make them wanna feel involved if they don't want to be involved okay. We're moving on without you. And i think that's going to happen. You're also going to hear less when he talks with me in about thirty minutes. Let's go back. Xavier rivalry in. And like i say that as a cat fan right but i think it's i think the rivalry is more fun when everybody involved embraces it. I didn't have many criticisms of mix time in cincinnati. But he did everything he could to make sure everybody knew. He wanted nothing to do with playing xavier. And by the way. There's a lot of barakat fan so we'll do the same thing three years. First of all what are you going to schedule. it's better. it is a game that matters to a lot of people. And i think there's two things about this number one. You want to connect with folks embrace the rivalry number two. I think a better chance of performing well in the rivalry when you embrace what it is and it is not just another game. You'll hear west. Miller talk about the. Ucs xavier rivalry in thirty minutes. He referenced it today during his press availability. Fourteen minutes after five o'clock we you'll hear david bell here in a few minutes we'll get to the reds and indians this weekend. We were happy to announce yesterday that fc cincinnati games are back on espn fifteen. Thirty thrilled for them. Throw for us. It's good and so you can hear the game tomorrow night. Fc cincinnati vs nashville. And there's going to be a lot of excitement around the new stadium and as as hopefully Teams are allowed to start bringing more people back. And i believe within the next month like you'll see the reds be allowed to invite invite to have more fans and how that gets reflected by fc cincinnati first couple of home games. I don't know but they're going to have a slowly. Hopefully more people able to come back and when that happens the talk is going to be the atmosphere of the stadium of the environment of the movement. Which has been so much fun to follow since two thousand sixteen this year. Three of major league soccer. it's year one and a new stadium. That front office feels like it is finely structured from gerard camp to tom. It feels like the technical staff and front office are finally what it is supposed supposed to be. For a major league sports franchise. It's time for this franchise to become a part of these sports landscape and be judged by its ability to win or lose games. It was striking to me at the end of the year. Talking with diehard fc cincinnati fans. How put off. They were by the onfield product. Their second last home game the banners. The foods if you will in the bailey were gone. The fans weren't there last year. They took banners away a big old middle finger to fc cincinnati. The onfield product has to be better. My question from almost the outset has been look. It's a great night out. It's a well run franchise from that standpoint. The grassroots fan outreach has been incredible. Those games at nippert stadium were awesome. And they're going to be awesome at the beautiful new stadium. I haven't been inside. But man i can't find anybody who's been inside. Who says it's not awesome but at some point you are judged by your results. The reds are the bengals are the major college. Sports teams in town are cincinnati. Should be but coming off. The last couple of seasons with an active offseason behind them with what it feels like the instability with the coaching staff. Hopefully behind him. It's time to start putting on a product that grabs as much attention as the atmosphere as the environment as the attendance totals and as the stadium. And hopefully that begins tomorrow night. You'll hear the game live on. Espn fifteen thirty starting at eight thirty. Meanwhile the ohio cup up for grabs reds and indians first of three tonight cincinnati. Coming off a pretty disappointing road trip. Quite frankly but they're still seven five. We'll get to the weekend ahead for the reds you'll hear david bell on aristide's aquino shogo akiyama and a bunch more on espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. Twenty two five this is. Espn fifteen thirty molester. In ten minutes my conversation with uc head coach. Wes miller introduced today at fifth. Third arena. you'll hear him talk about a lot of different things looking forward to that. Meanwhile reds and indians tonight. Atta great american ballpark reds announcing a transaction. Arizona's aquino goes on the ten day interlude retroactive to wednesday. He had surgery this morning to remove the hook of the hammett in his left hand. He's got a fracture in his left hand. And we think we think that maybe i've had the same injury were we're not completely short nonetheless. Aristide has a to the i l. Here is david bell on that earlier today. Yeah it was. It was on a swing. Which would that in that particular injury and there may be other ways to Fracture that that on But i've always heard. I've only heard of it in baseball. And i've only heard on a swing and i don't know if it was the second last week. He took her the last thing he took in a game in a pinch hit at bat off mcgee v. I'm not mistaken i. I didn't find out about it until the next day. Because i think it was in the last inning but we were pretty concerned and then On on the last and san francisco and he he wasn't going to be available that day and then we got check out yesterday and confirmed we thought it could be so. It was on a swing. So there's david bell on aristide is a keno who is at least for a while going to be unavailable. What shogo akiyama hasn't played yet this year dealing with a hamstring. Here's david on his sidelined. Outfielder looking forward to catch up with him today. you know we have the progression laid out pretty well and we're still hoping to happen back first week in. May you know for i ten days anyway. May permanent keeps going the way it is so i'll be with the he'll be alternating between here and really bill while we're while we're home and something different every day you know. I have a counter with his different activities every day. And it's a slow but steady progression. You know he's he's getting closer and closer. So there's david bell from earlier this afternoon on both aristide aquino shogo akiyama reds and indians tonight. With jeff hoffman getting the ball for cincinnati. It's interesting jesse. Winker is leading off tonight. The indians are throwing out a lefty logan allen and they continue to crank out really good starting pitching tribe of one seven out of ten on the heels on the backbone of a pretty impressive staff. And we'll see if if these small offensive swoon. We saw from the san francisco and arizona. Trip ends up being more reflective of what this team is. i continue to maintain through twelve games. Which by the ninety four and a half wind pace at seven and five that whatever you felt about the reds sixteen days ago for me should be basically what you feel about the reds right now. The six and one start which was great. Didn't tell me that this was going to be ninety five win team. The two and four trip does not tell me that this is going to be a seventy win team. I think with the offense. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle and they're going to be roughly a middle of the pack team. The question i have for this club and frankly has been the question. I've had all along. What how much does whatever regression there is. The pitching staff offset whatever gains are made by the offense. Sunny gray comes back tomorrow. Which is a very important development. I still believe despite the struggles of louis. Steel that if the reds ended up being good and in contention and put themselves in a position to win this division it is going to be on the strength of the front three of the starting rotation that front three comes back to the pack significantly then whatever gains. They make offensively. Frankly aren't really gonna matter all that much reds and indians tonight by the way poll question at malaga. Fifteen thirty on the Over under vegas bengals six. And a half william hill sportsbook. Seventy three percent taking the over surge of optimism for the bengals and we haven't even seen who they're taking the draft yet that anything is indicative of the joe burrow effect. Twenty eight minutes. After five o'clock landmark day new head basketball coach introduced earlier today. You'll hear my interview with west miller next on. Espn fifteen thirty data service. Kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family. The yours for life kelsey chef dot com mentioned reds and indians. Tonight your starting line at this evening winker cast whereas moose sent zell india. stevenson hoffman. Seven ten tonight seven hundred w aristide is a keno to the injured list with a broken bone in his hand. Max frock is up set to make his reds debut when he finally plays. Mikey saunders says he's coming back to uc for his sophomore season. Xavier has promoted jonas hayes to associate head coach after three seasons on travis steel staff at cincinnati set to play. Its first game tomorrow. Night against nashville. That game is live on. Espn fifteen thirty in the spring game is tomorrow as well. West miller officially introduced as new basketball coach at the university of cincinnati. And he is with us this afternoon. I appreciate the time. I cannot imagine what the last few days have been like. Tell me what the last. What's it been like these last forty eight to seventy two hours. It's felt like just one big day that keeps go it's it's been a whirlwind but it's been the citing This is the type of place that i've always dreamed about being coach. And so when this happened it's exhilarating but then there's a realization. How much work we have to do right away. And so. I'm i'm so excited the adrenaline pumping so i'm not tired at all. But there's a lot of work to be on we. This thing's been moving really fast. And i think it's going to continue to be that way for a while so it's been an interesting experience but a great one. Take me through. Take us through the process. When when the job i shows up on your radar when it first feels like you know what i've got a shot at that particular job was what was the process that ultimately led you to uc. Well last friday. I knew the job was open. it was i. I'll be really honest. I wanted to hear from john cunningham. I wanted to hear from cincinnati. I was hoping had my phone with me all day and when the text came through i told john this A couple days later and we were talking in person. I wanted to be the fastest person to respond to his text message so when it came through i felt like i was texting. It was coming through And so you know started with that. We talked on saturday over the phone. Got to know each other. A little bit Then we zoomed on sunday and got into much more debt and then we were able to to meet in person. I believe tuesday. I believe tuesday And then see some of the facilities here on campus and you know the longer process went the more. I felt like this could be real. This happen in the more. I thought like it was the right fit for me from from the time that the job landed on your radar or the job opening landed on your radar to right. Now what have you learned about the job. What have you learned about the program. The school in the time since then oscar. Great question allow always. I've always known how special this basketball program was. I grew up watching this program and coach huggins in that area. You know. I've watched this program really closely during college. Cronies years i've been into coaching you know mired it and tried to learn from it from a distance so i've always had the awareness of what this program was about the respect for what it is and i've always known it's one of the greatest programs in history basketball. I pride myself on being a basketball junkie and understanding not just basketball during my lifetime but how we got to this point going back to the sixties and the history and tradition. I've always been really aware that you know as we got into the process. What i've really come really came to find out. Was that the things that i value really aligned with the things that everyone values around here in this institution in this community With the leadership here. And that's what i've been learning about. And that's what's giving me more conviction. Every moment that this is a great fit for me elaborate on that. If you will i i heard you say that. At the at the press conference today that your values align with those of the university What what does what does that mean. How can you elaborate on that. I think the standard of excellence right. There's a certain standard that people expect from cincinnati basketball I learned a lot about how. This institution has grown over the last forty years. I mean this is an excellent institution. There's a lot of pride here People really care here this place again. I'm learning most. I'm not gonna figure it out. But i get a sense that this is about people that have crit toughness and chip on their shoulder whether that the basketball program. We're just kind. The general field that i get about being in cincinnati and i get the thing i've just been blown away with a really short period of time of being on the ground. Is the pride people feel to be from here to being this community. you know. Those are things that i value i. I think i keep saying people. People can get across my southern accent. I think people values that same mindset and that same type of driving work ethic so i think those are some of the values a lot do do you see him. You had an extraordinarily long run at unc greensboro and a successful run. Do you see parallels between the situation that you walked into when you became a first time head coach there versus what you're walking into here. I mean i was twenty eight. We screwed it up everywhere. You could possibly screw it up the first three or four years we were there and you know i think life works out. I was really fortunate to get the opportunity with no experience. We screwed it up every way as i mentioned and the leadership there just kind of elite than what we were trying to do and gave me a chance to work through it and says that that was a blessing. Somewhere that that can happen and that doesn't happen very much in college athletics I hope it doesn't take that long if it does. Nobody will be more disappointed than me so. I don't believe there is going to be a parallel there. Where i i do hope. There's a parallel as we built something. Sustainable we built something that you could expect year after year as we got it going there and the players would change but the the mentality the approach the way that we played the game standard that we expect on a day-to-day basis. That became a cultural thing The results became something that our players worked for. And i do some parallels in that in that area over over three decades. I think whether it was during coach huggins regime certainly over thirteen years with mick cronin i think most people here and frankly i think most people around the country probably even yourself you had in your mind's eye of vision of cincinnati basketball team looked like this is a program that has long had an identity. What does the identity of a west miller coach team look like. We're going to be tough. We're going to be physical. We're gonna all buy into the defensive end of the four. I to what we do on the backboard i to the things that when you extra possessions putting your body on the ball loose balls flections impact winning on the possession possession basis. I really believe that. So many college basketball games come down to one two or three possessions. There's a certain approach mentality to win those one two or three possessions and that's what separates great teams from. Just okay things. So we're gonna we're gonna invest in those areas. I and find people that are willing to invest in those areas. think offensively. You know we're gonna play a style of basketball. I think young people wanna play. We're going to play with some pace We're gonna give them freedom to go grow and they play and play through some steaks So i think there's a little give and take there but we are gonna play exciting brand of basketball fun brand of basketball but we're going to be pretty nasty how we defend in some of the things we do physically defensively and on the backboard. You mentioned today that you you plan on this being a quote players i program. What does that look like. I think it means that the decisions we make in the way that we operate every day has to take into account. What's best for the person. And what's best for the young people in that locker room. That doesn't mean letting them do whatever they want or making them. Happy every second. It means caring for them being invested in their growth and making them feel like they matter and so everything we do. Be about those guys and the former guys. 'cause guys we have the kind of success we want to have on a basketball or if the people out there aren't succeeding and they don't believe that you generally care about them so we're gonna try to really invest in the people. I i can't imagine what what your to do. List looks like over the coming days but very very high is going to be recruiting and that that involves players that you might have to ask to come back to the program that involves players in the transfer portal who are looking for new places that involves obviously kids coming out of out of high school. Walk me through what what's ahead. Walk me through what the appeal is going to be. An already has been to players. Who are here. This past season that are thinking about coming back are open to coming back. Walk me through. The transfer portal landscape is gonna look like which i'm sure you were already preparing for in your previous position. And how do you hit the ground running in terms of recruiting kids who are still looking to start their college basketball careers this fall and maybe have the university of cincinnati. Be a part of their thought process. Sure no no. I think it starts with the current guys here The guys that have been at cincinnati that that came here for the same reason that i came here felt something believes something Tried to meet with all of them yesterday. At least the ones that were here at drove up a net with mike saunders and his family last night indianapolis trying to get to each one of those guys and tell them that we want to start with the foundation of what's already here An be honest about who we are. We're trying to do and and make sure we get that nucleus together And it's about like you said getting out in recruiting we can put together competitive roster within all is. I think it's important that i assemble a stack quickly Because i certainly can't do all this just by myself so while we're going through that process. I think i'm also trying to put together a staff. Those are the main priorities. The current players then obviously the recruiting the piece around the put together a great roster and then within that trying to get a staff so so we can start putting our team together to execute those things There have been. I know you're aware of this. We always talk here about the bearcat family and the the opinions of former players are often. They're not. They're not shy about expressing how they feel about whatever direction that the program is going in and said over the last couple of days. Look we're getting somebody who's a tarheel. And when i think of north carolina basketball i think of maybe the biggest extended family in all of college sports. If there's anybody who understands the importance of connecting past to present. It's going to be somebody who comes from that family. One of your first things. One of your first things you did. Was you had a chance to connect with a bunch of former players via zoom. I know you're probably. There's probably a lot of that. You don't wanna make public. But can you give us an idea of how you feel that. When and what your impressions from from that that conversations were we. It's one of the reasons moses. I'm so excited about being this job because people care so much and the people that care the most because they've been invest most of the people that wore the jersey and so guys that wore the jersey over generations. Care that much about a program. You know it's really special from my background. I totally understand that dynamic. I'm not saying. I understand it here yet but i understand the idea of that in. It's really powerful. It's also not simple right. It is as you just mentioned former cincinnati players for the most part. Don't know me yet. They shouldn't just with open arms welcoming. They care that much. I should have to earn their respect. Earn their trust. And i think we'll do that by how we approach things how we let them know how much they matter your our program moving forward we want them included. And i think what i know. Is they want a certain level of basketball to be played. They want a certain standard of basketball because they did when they were here. And i look forward to get into program to a level that they're really proud of it every time. Run out of that tom. What is the greatest lesson. You've learned that. You've applied your coaching career. From roy williams. It's it's such a hard question. I've been asked multiple times. It's it's just such a loaded question because there's not one great answer You know he's sat. And i sat in his office being recruited there and the reason i went there was because he asked me what i wanted to do when i was done playing basketball and said i wanna coach and he said you have coming because i will help you that. There's no better place for you to be to help you get into coaching. He and he's follow through with that. Twentyfold is the greatest decision. I ever made because how much he's helped me grow and mentor me as a coach and it hasn't stopped when i got a head coaching job. It's gotten stronger and stronger. The the real deal and it's inspired me to want to have those same types of relationships in that same type of follow through with the guys that i can but the most important thing that i think i can take from them as i'd like to goblins competitive as anybody in the world and i think which williams fits into that category as well but he that competitive he competes at the highest possible level but he also has the moral fiber to not cross a line or two still treat people the right way and i think that's rare in the highest levels of college athletics and it's inspired me to try to live up to that in my coaching career. Another minute because you're being pulled in a thousand different directions and you've already been very generous with your time. How you were asked about the xavier rivalry today you you understand. Rivalries the significance of them. What they mean to people what they mean to fans what they mean to players. How how important is it you. You were asked about the xavier game. I'm sure instantly you were asked about it today. How important is it for a head coach to embrace the significance of a rivalry like duke north carolina or here for my money. The best rivalry in college basketball. Cincinnati versus xavier. I love it. I love it. I mean we live for this right. Is competitors Coaches you dream about coaching and those types of games you know like you said i in another rivalry that That has another intense rivalry. I played in you. You dreamed about playing that game. Those are some of the greatest competitive moments ever had to play. I've dreamed about coaching in this game. And so i think you know when you wake up in the morning and wanna hit snooze. You're thinking about beaten xavier. Right and i can. I can feel just being on the ground here or there were a couple of days. And i i don't i don't wanna get off on the wrong but i think what makes the greatest rivalries grade is the success of both programs right that that. There's no great rivalry. One program stinks. It's the success both and you've got to programs that have had great success in this kind of proximity So i have tremendous respect for that. And i have respect travis. But then we're gonna wanna beat them. There's no doubt about it every day. Your plate is full as as things settled down. What are you. What are you looking forward to getting to know about. Just living in the cincinnati area. Well i think for the for the first couple months because as you mentioned there's so much to do I think it's just gonna be trying to get this roster together Get team together on my staff and get up and running so that we can put a team together to compete the way that everybody expects us to compete on the for next year. But whenever i feel that at least i have a chance to breathe. I wanna find the great pays to live. I wanna find the best restaurants in town hall duty and at some point i'll get out and play some good for a person. There's some good golfing area. But i do think that going to take a little time because we're not gonna come up for air for a while. It's funny on our show. We've talked about roy. Williams coming to watch play and we've been guessing which golf courses join so i know that's going to be a part of the deal when he comes here. You also of course. I would be not doing my civic responsibility if i didn't tell you to get to a skyline chili as soon as possible and i know i'm not the first person or the last to tell you that i'm trying to think if what if i've heard at more beat out out i'll let you run. I really appreciate the time. I know the first day or so it could be a whirlwind so thanks for spending some time forest. Congratulations welcome in cincinnati. Were excited that you're here and looking forward to bothering you often over the coming years. Thanks so much waymo fired up. Thank night west. Miller had coach university of cincinnati. We are done. don't forget. fc cincinnati game tomorrow night on espn fifteen thirty twenty. Pike back at it. Monday at noon. The bengals uniform reveal will be among the things we talked about on monday afternoon. Starting at three zero five. We are done. Thank you for listening. Thanks to taryn for producing. Have a great weekend. This is espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station last night. So i went to a fresh might soon.

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 827  2020 Pitching Leaders

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 827 2020 Pitching Leaders

"Eight, twenty seven of the sleeper and the bust. It is Thursday July ninth I'm your host pulse more and I'm joined by Justin. Mason Justin, Good Morning Good Morning Sir how you doing? Pretty well I'm hanging in there moving forward. Still waiting for some baseball here. Everybody has copen. Be We. Know Baseball is coming. Because we, we're getting beat writers. tweet every play. Games on my God yes. It's like the thing I dread most. Wins brings rating and it's like Oh, I now have to deal with a second time and. I think the interest ones are worse. Oh, there wares. Thank you thank you. Yes, I I. Think they're actually quite a bit worse. And Yeah that is, that is how you know it's coming. You know people report, and these these interest squad homers, performances, and I'm just like. That does not do anything jazz me out. It's it's really not. You know like when we look forward to spring. Training Games and there's those first day or two where you're excited to watch them. Then they become background, noise, a pleasant background noise, but you know I, I don't stay. Geared in every day watching everything. This there's no games to watch. I, don't I don't need tweets. I'M NOT GONNA. Do Anything based off of these performances? Like I, don't know. I barely do anything offspring spring performances. I'm not doing anything off of Intra squad performances. I'm not as I don't necessarily care about the performances like I'm looking at pitch counts I'm looking know some of the beat. Writers are doing a much better job of giving kind of. You know more nuanced and detailed You know reports. The Guy who does it for the San Diego Tribune like he did a great article. The other day on. Paddock and Mackenzie Gore and kind of their pitch mix. Okay which I thought was interesting. 'cause you know Paddock's add the added the slider, but where the were, the press is situated, is kind of out in Centerfield in so they're able to see the catcher signs, and he shook off a Francisco Mahia a bunch of times when he called for the slider in one of the interest squad game. So. That may be like he's got the new pitch, but maybe he's not really ready or he's afraid to use it right now. That's okay. Okay, that's that's a little piece of something. Okay, so you know things like that is what I'm looking for. As opposed to Oh you know Blah Blah Blah singled off a shame bieber. That is like okay. I don't really care that much about that. Yeah exactly so! If they can deliver some quality information. Good, but Yeah. You. Can leave it to you to Suss that out for the right up I appreciate that. Can put. You can put good tidbits and the Rodeo ride. Things like Fran will return back to the team. Yes, yesterday, that's all good news or very happy about that. After he. Blundered and What do you have a mask list? Yeah, you went to a fourth of July party without a mask Yup. Thanks Fran okay, but he's back. He's back OK. Okay, so you know. Yeah, we're getting. We're getting. Bits of news that that can be useful. I really liked that tidbit that you had about paddock there and I guess there are some pitching stuff that can be useful as far as how long they're going, and how many pitches their throat? But We are GonNa, talk pitching a grander scale today. With regards to the League leaders. The other day we did hitting league leaders. Trying to find a guy that we really. Were really into and then one. That's maybe a little bit more off the radar for each category. We're GONNA do that again today. It's going to be. I think it's going to be easier to Do the off the radar. With with pitching right because you know you start to get once you hit the. GLOB Everything goes. Wherever you want. So I think I think we'll have some interesting names there. Let's start with winds. Winston. Exactly, Yes, silence is. I was GONNA say. Windsor dominant normal season. How stupid are they going to be this year? they're going to be extremely stupid. I mean one. You know a team that wins like a fifteen team league may win it with like twenty five wins or something like that. So it's GonNa be absolutely ridiculous Winds are GonNa, come from weird places. You know I want to give credit where credit's due because Greg blankenship, said something in of fancy benefits. Staff Chat talking about. Hey, you know instead of using your last few spots in drafts coming up. Starters because you're going to have that short three day in beginning of a week. In May, actually be better to use those last few drafts blots on middle relievers. Most likely the first few times around. We're GONNA. Have guys that aren't going super deep and the guys who were going to be in line for winds are going to be those us. Merrill petites the world so yeah wins is going to be wins going to be a struggle. It really is and so and I I showed you. My draft I'm doing a slow draft and I'm really devaluing especially those second and third tier in fourth year starters. Yeah, I mean. There's going to be some wildness and. A. Not Maybe not neater, but but right there with the leaders like you said could be a middle reliever from wins. And we'll let let's start. Let's start in the American League Who Do you like? Who Do you like for the most wins? As your main pick. I'm GonNa go with Lance Lynn. Okay like I mean i. do like the fact that the park is supposedly going to play more pitcher friendly I like the offense binding to give him a shot at getting win I. Think he's one of those guys that could go deep into games starting out especially, because the weakness of that team is obviously in the bullpen. So? They may need him to go a little bit deeper to try to get. To the the seventh inning, or even eighth-inning or ninth inning? Bullpen is is pretty atrocious. on kind of I'm really on board all three of those top three T- text rangers starters so when Minor Lipson. Kluber. Gipson you're damn right. He said. You're the worst. Give us your give us your off. The radar Ale Guide lead in wins I mean. Is Ada even off the radar? Probably not right. Maybe he is for wins because he gets so manipulated in La and we feel competent that he won't be this year. especially with shortened season. I didn't think he would be with a full year but with shortened season. I mean he could never reach the innings. Count right so. Yeah I. Get pro rated. I believe it does okay so then. Maybe he could still face manipulation, but I mean. It's going to let him go so. I. Think can qualify. I, guess I. Go I mean it's really hard. I mean I'm really looking through this. Really struggling I'm guess I could go with Kyle Gibson. You know he's one of those guys again in the. On that Rangers team you know they're going to win games. It's really going to be ugly because somebody's GONNA lead the League in wins with seven right. You know maybe someone will get a Yes. Someone like eighty one. but it's GonNa be someone so downto-. I'd actually relieve surprise considering what people are probably going to get. You know twelve thirteen starts Max. that. Even any pitcher will get like nine or ten decisions may be a stretch. That's true. That's it's GonNa. Be Tough, but I'll tell you gibson there. Or Mine. I'll go I'll go made. On the same team? All right so came to my Ada. Know I think that a little bit as an off the right arm because like I said he never piles up a ton of wins because he's usually being pushed into the bulletin later and. I'm going to switch it off I'm. I'M GONNA go homer Bailey, okay. I'm going to go a guy that I that I think pretty confident will get an opportunity, even games on a good offense. Good defense behind him. An enough relief pitching in that bullpen to preserve win so yeah homer. Bailey's might sneak I. Know I, like that one I like homer, Bailey he closed. Really nicely with Oakland. I think he's being slapped on Minimum Motta. I really like him, I think. I think he's worth drafting and fifteen for sure and maybe even reserving twelve teamers to be honest. But I I kinda I. Kinda like Bailey. All right for me in the Al.. From a main guy. How about clubbing germ. Dog. Yeah not not too flashing their quality quality pitcher. He or Bieber could take off of that team. That's still a good team by the way and everyone. I think. Maybe with the downtime, the Indians have gotten more love of like. We might have been pushing them off to the side too quickly. I think we want somebody who might realize. They're pushing off too quickly. Because Minnesota's very good. This is nothing against. MINNESOTA. It's more pro, cleveland. Yeah, they. They lost Kluber essentially are getting nothing for him because cost is suspended. Well They didn't have Kluber much last year, and they still had a pretty good season. Won, ninety three ball games, so there's still a quality ball club. BIEBER CLOVINGER CASCO at the front end blaring civil a PO POLICE AC. They've got a good starting five, so I'll put clovinger for the main and then. See here. You know what I WANNA. I WANNA get silly. Silly about I, WANNA BE WANNA be. Smart about it, so let me check something real. Quick here do. All right I'M GONNA say. Diego Castio for my off the radar gun I'm going to go middle reliever. I said to see which one I wanted to pick from Tampa Bay. Because they're gonNA. Do I'm surprised? It's not yarborough. You know if I thought he was going to get an opener, I would I would easily pick him. Because it just sets up for so many more wins. But I WANNA pick one of their strong. Middle Relievers. And I'll go with the righty. In Castillo there You know there's a little bit tongue in cheek, obvious hits the off the radar pick, but. This. One of these one of these relievers is GonNa get four or five wins, and it's really going to change things. He had five last year total obviously in a full season, but if there we know how Tampa Bay can be and if they're being tight with innings on Yarbrough Torino's. Maybe glass now the first time through maybe even smell the first time through. That's going to create opportunities for Casteel. And Hell, even the even when the guys are ramped up, that doesn't mean relievers can't get wins that you know. They game tied in the sixth. It gets decided seventy eight. That's that's where Castio and Alvarado. Nick Anderson are so. Go. Casio again just to highlight house do, but it could be. All Right All right nationally time then who is the main guy for in the National League I'm GonNa. Go with my number one pitcher. That's Walker Bueller. I may end up pushing Garrett Cole back up. To my number one spot, but I still have a lot of faith in Walker Bueller and I think the fact that they lost David Price, which means they're going to have to put Ross stripling into that rotation You know kind of hurts their already, not very deep bullpen. And the fact that Jimmy Nelson has done for the year as well. I think that while they probably is yeah, he had back surgery. I miss that man poor Jimmy. That guy just loved that guy. He's just got out of crap into the stick. It's just really early. Did Dang I I didn't know that yeah, so Yeah, he's done for the year I mean I. You know. Kenley Jansen got cove it. It's I mean it's just the dodgers. Bullpen is kind of a mass a little bit and so I think they're really going to need to rely on Bueller especially. Kershaw, you know a fair amount I think you're i. s is actually GonNa get full run during his stretches as well so I mean really like the dodgers from fantasy standpoint this year, and that that really pains me to say that as a giants fan. Being on, someone's going to take that clip of audio and just play over and over. Yeah, so use it against an. It'll be like Vlad settlers new theme song But Yeah, it's I. Like Walker Bueller We're if we're going to go for a sneak guy It's going to be Max freed. because. The as far as not my now, my pick I mean he's my guy somebody. Pumping up this year so I really like him. Yeah, so there's talk that the braves are gonNA use a Max freed Saroka as a piggyback pair. Oh which would mean, sirocco would I assume it means SIROCCO would start, and then Max. Freed would come in after you know three to four innings. Why do you use him that? I just figure after the year that. Okay, that's robot that you know they'll give him. The honor of starting and yet read would be the follower. Aggressive. Why do you think that that was more of like? Do you have information on that I just I mean that that would be my aside I hear you say because he was i. mean one in amazing season for Saroka. Free took some steps forward. He still had a four something A. Moral three, Ra, it definitely makes it difficult to draft either them which is, it's unfortunate, and it makes it makes Arocca go from had to drop him in value, being in the you know the National League East with h going up against the aliens to like literally undrafted if he's only going to go three innings, Eddie is going to be the starter so. If. It's only a couple of times through. That might not be so bad, but I agree with you that Saroka. As the front end guy. Really catches the short end, and they'll probably be two three good innings, but luke probably be great innings, but they're not gonNA. have any strikeouts. I and he can't get the dub he's doing. Can't do it and if regression hits him hard I mean it's just GonNa, be disastrous without any upside so. Yeah. It's really funny because I really liked Saroka and I think he'll be a big draft a target for me in two thousand and twenty one because I think he will be criminally underrated. But, there's no way I can take him now. Now I think you're right, man no chance. Dang I missed that piece of news to. Paul, do you want to pay attention to what's going on in Baseball It's kind of your job. You stupid idiot. I did not see that appreciate you know what this is why I have you. A little bit of job security for once in my life. Now I actually. I had not seen that about Saroka he's moving way down. I gotTA move them down. Already was worried about the strikeouts. And fact that you know. I always figured it would regress from the to sixty eight last year, but if two three the thing of it is to. Even if it is only two or three rotations through. It's devastating. You know when you say somebody is going to be out a week. Oh it's a week. That's devastating. That's that's damn near equivalent the shorthand to make you just feel the impact is just a three x everything I know it's not a perfect three x sixty games versus one sixty two, but his damn close, and if somebody was gonna Miss Three weeks guaranteed. You'd you'd feel it you'd. You'd say okay. That's a big deal so when someone's GonNa miss a week or You know have this thing this. This piggyback rotation thing a couple of times through the rotation. Big Big impact and I. Think everything volume wise. is going to be such a big deal this year. So I, like that though with Max freed as your your secondary guy because he'll be the pig, the secondary guy in that group pile up a bunch of wins I still like him. I like him even more now because like I said if Yarbrough got a winner. I would like him, so those are good picks with and freed for me in the NFL main guy will be Louise Castio. I love that Cincinnati ballclub picked a bunch of guys from that team on the offensive sides gotta gotTa. Get some love on the pitching side. There could really be any of the top three, but casteel is my favorite of the bunch Fall Gray and you know I'm not a huge power guy, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if you WanNa Bunch Games for them, but I'm gonNA. Go Louise Ketziot. Bill Straightforward. Pick and OCCAS does not as top of the scale as Bueller, but I don't know that I need to fully explain castio but my secondary pink. I'm I'm not super happy that David price opted out. But It opened the door for Ross stripling and you know damn well. That, he moved way up my rankings. I am excited to that degree now I'm glad that like David. Price didn't get covert or something because I. Don't WanNa feel happy about somebody getting sick just that he chose. Opt Out. It's okay. He has his health so I can feel happy about this as it will benefit my guy stripling, so that is why we'll pick. As My as my secondary guy now I could see him a beginning opener, and and then being in the middle again. That would benefit. But, if they decide to finally turned him loose. I think in a sixty game sprint. He should be treated like a regular starter and just ready to go the latest. I'd seen from him was. He said that he could go six innings like he. He's ready to go so Is this the new version of best shape of my life ready to go six innings? Yes, we are seeing a lot of guys. Declare themselves ready for six innings. Great, call, Yeah Yeah, you the best, shave your life. No, but I could go six innings right now. Okay. Okay. I can go six innings, yeah! Imagine if edition saying that I can go six innings right now. You'd be like. Wait a minute, what? I really feel like I could get three to four that I can really. Do I'll give you a good. And then maybe in the fourth as long as the ball wasn't hit to me, listen. Listen Matt Olsen. You're supposed to play for nine I. Really I can go through more though I got a strong for right now and then. I. Let Franken Baretto, come in you. Have Mark Ken all right? You like Matt he he doesn't play I. You do with the position after me I. Don't care about I can give you four strong. Okay, that's what I'm negotiating here but yeah, you're right. It is funny when the when the players themselves declare themselves ready. You can only go so far with it, but. To to the degree that it matters, stripling said that he's ready to go six, and obviously he's a perfect fit to fill in that vacancy. Kershaw Bueller reas would stripling take all five of them to be honest. That could be my pitching rotation in a league, and I'd have no problem Gimme. stripling to be a secondary wins, Guy a an off the rare wins guy. I imagine that you liked that one. What do you think cassie on Casio as what he would? He be race. I. Think I'm probably not GONNA get him in drafts wrestler way. Only because I did downgrade him a bit for being a. for the D. H. coming to the National League Yup. Guy Has to a little bit of a dip and I think that is going to cost him just enough in my ranks versus ADP where I'm not going to end up with him I mean and so far in the drafts that I've done. I'm usually grabbing one of the top four to five guys. And the next guy we're GONNA talk about. is a guy I've moved back up. Into that you know top forty five and. IF I don't get one of those guys I'm waiting, so you know in this team league I'm doing right now. I missed out on those guys because I. The six pick and I went when. and then I saw just waited in grabbed Yu Darvish. I love garbage. I, I'm I. Love Darkness is that it was going to be your main strikeout, guys? Did you just get on her segue did ll. Outs those are my two. Yeah I mean. What was start nfl for outstanding Darvish and who else? I'm going to Darvish Robbie. Ray Okay, so focus on darvish I To lead the League in strikeouts. Obviously, he was amazing question for you would be how much of those gains from the the big second half run where he transformed himself. Do you believe he can hold because it's a major change, but it's so different from what he did. I understand those who are maybe giving a little bit of a side. I have like Can you hold it? He had seven walks from July. First on that was a span fourteen starts with a hundred and twenty four strikeouts. This is the guy who you always tolerated the walks from because he was so good at doing virtually everything else. And then you had a couple down seasons there with the health. Really only one down season I shouldn't even say one down two thousand eighteen, only through eight games. He wasn't very good. other than that darvish bounce back last year. Your had a great season. How much of those gains do you think he can hold i? Think he can hold a fair amount of them. I mean I like the fact that he even added another pitch and he's actually throwing a fair amount. And, it's looking good so. I think that I mean there's always the chance you know. What kind of ball do we get it going to be slippery or you know? League one at. Insert more offense to try to get more is on This shortened season and really grab people's attention. We saw the Garrett. Cole thing the John Boy breakdown of. And having to give that ball back after. So. With regards that many of you guys know jumbo did a breakdown about after strikeout. They did around the horn. And then that ball was out, but Garrett Cole liked that ball. Now, you gotta get a new one, too many hands of touched it, and then He was kind of annoyed by it and I pitched to Ghandahar was opposite field homer, and you know if they're having to change the ball that often maybe just don't throw it around the horn after the strikeout. Is that not? Does that a necessary part of the game the around. I think you're GONNA see pitchers yellow Thir- catcher. If they tried to do that yet back to me, did the guy you don't need a practice catch? Yes, exactly. But I think the more interesting part of the video was not the fact that he couldn't get the ball that he just thrown, but that they gave him a new ball. He didn't like it and he wasn't allowed to throw it away. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That that's what it was because generally they can go through. You know they couldn't just go. Ten different balls make no, no, no, but they can switch out and there's always all that little stuff there and you know. I saw the thread of of the John. Lewis tweet you know like. What does it matter? How different are the balls? Sometimes it's fully mental where the balls aren't necessarily that different, but the feel it's about feel and and comfort, and if you feel in one, but there are you know notice tiny little differences. You know the they're all. They're all kind of like a little bit different, and so you can find one that you really like and I've. I've heard of pitchers being like they were dealing. They had one that they had kept going for like almost a full inning, and then somebody hits it out. Dammit, house trying to keep that ball in play as long as I could, but you know obviously they're changing them out pretty. It's not like somebody uses the ball. Ball for six innings with foul balls, and all that sort of stuff, but some people just have those weird things. Where if you use a certain item on a daily basis, you know like for some people. It's a pen like some people like the the feel of a pen in their hand like if it's the wrong kind of Penn, they're not gonNA. Use It. They will actually go in search out like the plan that they like. And it's it's not necessarily about like you know how the ink runs or anything like that, but more about just how it feels in their hand and so you imagine you know how many balls a major league pitcher throws throughout the course of a season. Yeah, I totally understand it may seem like the same ball to us, but out little changes, and you can really have an effect on someone and if it doesn't feel right. When you're trying to execute a certain pitch. You'RE NOT GONNA have confidence. And it can be a home run to McGill. Enda Har, you know or maybe. It doesn't feel right for the certain breaking ball, so you gotTa Lean fastball and it's like why do thrown all these vast possibly hates the way this ballfields and he couldn't get a new one, so that's an interesting factor that we're GONNA. See here this year. Net could that could influence more offense if it's making pitching even more difficult if you're. If you're looking for that John Boy Video, it was in the ridder right up two days ago. and was it was great. Need Call Soap is. I like to the line. He's very picky about his balls. That was the part that focused on. All right and then Robbie Ray is secondary Guy because while he? Has You hang on if he's ever league in strikeouts, I'm making you pick somebody else. Hang on I'm. Never led the League, but he is a big time. Strike out guy what you feel like. You could lead the League which would be pretty great, because you're is usually an era in whip challenge, you know. He had that one big season way to eighty ninety eight and one fifteen whip. He's always beyond that he's always been a web challenge and a couple add. Add this is his era has been passable, but overall four eleven one thirty five for his career, but you get Robbie Ray for the strike outs and you think you could maybe lead the league there for the diamondbacks go ahead. Yeah, I, just I mean. We know he can strike. People out of the question is how many walks are going to go along within. The diamondbacks will rely on him a fair amount to go deep into games, and Yeah I. Think especially I think they are one of those teams that are probably kind of on the fence in terms of whether or not. They're going to compete this year I. Mean they brought in Madison Bumgarner Fully competitive personally I really liked them. The dodgers are big hurdle, though but I. I think I think they're geared wildcard. Yeah, the dodgers are a big hurdle the padres are an interesting kind of challenging in that division having to play the Ale West. is not an easy task. They're one of those teams. Where like if they start hot, I could totally see them pushing their chips in but they're also team. If they start off, so I could see them go well. Why don't we you know maybe shed some of these? Guys who are on expiring contracts or Oregon back a little and Robbie Ray would be a part of that especially because they do have some depth pieces for that rotation, even if they jettison Robbie Ray, and he's been a constant trade rumor type guy so. Yeah, he really has so, but if they want to get as much value I mean, it'll be interesting. What kind of value teams even get I know? It's GonNa be a wild because we getting them for like thirty gains, but that's one half the season and two. We assume with the added playoff spots They'll be less ehlers. No, there is no expanded playoffs right I thought they they were going to work that out. Have they worked it out. That's a good question. At Yeah Okay I, I thought that it was I thought that it was off the table, but It may if it's still on the table. That's interesting. that would be obviously causing a lot more teams to knots sell necessarily. Don't you hit on something really interesting that. Even, though it's the trade. Deadline's on August thirty first for those who don't know. It is such a shorter season, but it's literally. You're getting them for half the year. When the deadline that we do you get them for two out of six months, so it's a higher impact in terms of volume of the season, but I don't think that that's necessarily going to be like okay now. We're GONNA. Give you massive prospects for these guys, so that's going to be interesting I, do think raise a reasonable candidate to lead the league so I do like that Pick Andam? Not a huge guy, but I can tell I could see him leading the league in yeah. I I don't know that you still want him on your team, but there is a reasonable chance again and I'm not saying anything about whether or not. They were able to work out. The expand. Playoffs are not. They haven't But I mean even with that. A the variants could end up team. Meaning teams more teams don't WanNA sell. Yeah, because every could be so strategy so tight in the standings on August thirty first that nobody wants to move and so teams that do does that mean like the supply and demand that even in a shortened season they may actually get decent return on guys because Kosovo so. Boys one of like. Three starters. Who is available? You know because? You figure tigers. Baltimore pirates giants, royals. Giants aren't going to be very good, but. Matt Boyd would probably be the best available pitcher off those teams right so That could be a massive prize, and then somebody could come up with a hitter, so yeah, the trade deadline is GONNA be wild! I have no idea what to make of of that and I can't even fathom I had somebody chat ask about trades and I'm like I can't predict trades in a normal year like it's impossible enough and you want me to try to predict them in this year. I don't think so man I'm sorry with all due respect. That's an insane task that I'm not even GonNa waste my time on. Yeah I I. Mean I think we'll just you know. Listen to the beat writers. Who are you talking about? All the rumors 'cause it's the there's no, there's GonNa be no rhyme or reason. It may be a super active trade deadline or it may be. Like a super dead trade deadline for four trades. To two of them for backup players, one of them for reliever, and then one with for a big player something like it could be, it could be totally weird, so we'll see how that goes again. That's August thirty first for the deadline and all right. I'M GONNA go my main, Strasbourg. Coming off a great season. Obviously health has always been an issue for him outside of last year and twenty fourteen has to. Two hundred plus. Innings seasons. I do like that. He only has to make into a two months sprint again. That does not mean that he is devoid of injury risk. It just means that there's less time less burden on him to stay upright to finish the season and I love. The thing of it is. He's always great when he pitches. It's just a matter of the volume that you're going to get from him so. He's healthy right now. He's looking good. He's thrown. Meetings in spring already I'm GonNa Take Strasbourg. And for my off the radar. What Brandon would count. I mean sure. I use definitely someone I kind of considered. Yeah I think he's in the same similar vein of. Like Robbie Ray where it's like we didn't pick guys that nobody knows they can get strikeouts, but there. You just don't necessarily expect them to lead the league I. Think would drift, could though. I know that people look at Last year the way that he was handled and they think that he could be somebody who innings are muted. I don't really see that though I think that the extenuating circumstances of that Oblique was the big was the big thing that they were kind of protecting them with and making sure that they didn't overdo it particularly when he returned going three two and two innings in the final three starts, but I mean that's because he had just missed two months. In fact before that he was really a guy who looked like he was there workhorse and I think he's going to be somebody who they let go deeper into starts I think. Brandon Woodruff. Could easily be six plus innings on the rag, and he's a at least a strikeout printing type of guy. He was at ten point six last year ten the year before that fiamme set up a little bit I think Anita higher rate, but it can also be like. You know an extra start for guy or a few extra innings could be the difference too as far as strong. As far as strikeout leaders, so I'll go. Brandon Woodruff asthma a little bit off the radar guy to win the strikeout title. All, right I bounce over to the. American league here give us Give us your top dog that you think could win it. In this draft. I'm going to snake you right now and snipe use and take Justin verlander. Jerk. Hurtful. You typically for one of things I wouldn't necessarily take a guy who was like Whoa, top three or four off the list of however you know I. Think this is my way of saying like I'm back in on Furlan. Gary Looks Healthy He's going to pitching again today. In the in the Astros stream all I'll be watching it so I'm bumping him back up into top four or five starters into that know elite tear and yeah I think he's going to be heavily relied upon we all know dusty Baker. Has the the Whether or not their reputation is actually true or not I think it's debatable, but. He has a reputation of of really kind of pushing his starters and I think he definitely will push lander I think he'll certainly trust for ladder and. Almost to a degree, let him let verlander dictate when he's coming out and whatnot and. Burland our noses body pretty well. I trust that he won't be foolish and just trying to go seven eight innings if he can't handle it, but if he's ramped up and ready to go. I mean obviously everything's good from the groin situation because that was going to take out back in March April obviously, he's had plenty of time to recover from that. Everything looks good like you said he's pitching today, so we'll see how that goes. For Lender is a great pick. Obviously, he's one of the higher end pigs. I'm not gonNA hit coal because he's the super obvious one in fact. I think it was the bat had him at like one hundred ten strikeouts and nobody else with one hundred. That's so I mean. Steamer is him in a hundred and four and nobody else laundered. Yellow. That's that that's crazy I'm actually GONNA pick a guy picked earlier. I'm going to pick Levinger. The Same Guy Wins I took the guy earlier in limb. Yeah, it's like. I know I'm I'm doubling up here? But I gotta go. I gotTA. Go with my my heart, thirty four percent strikeout rate last year. The absolutely nasty, he could definitely do it again. Somebody who's had some injury issues including this year. When we were starting a regular season, he was going to be on the shelf for a bit. He's healthy he's ready to. To Go I think he could challenge for that strikeout lead, so I like clever as well now. I was supposed to let you pick your secondary guy. Before said that but I got I got sidetracked there so now. Who is your secondary Guy Behind Verlander, a little bit off the radar guy, don't pick my guy, please. I'm going to say. Nathan evolve. I love IT I. I. Hope You're right did. I had I mean he's reportedly looked really really good so far in this What Spring two point Oh. Or Summer Training or whatever the hell summer call him. Yes, he's hitting hundred being able to locate looks very very good. He only has to stay healthy for like seventy innings. Yup, come on, come on, you could do it. Dude, please so definitely definitely. One of those guys that if I am GonNa. Take a late starter he. He's going to be one of the ones I entertain. I was GONNA pick glass now but I don't know that that really qualifies because his strikeout rates are insane. Yeah, I think he's almost almost took him instead of lander as my top as the main. Yeah and I did too as far as. Let's take him over Clement you're. GonNa pick him as a secondary, but I will give him a hat tip. There's somebody who you could you know if you if you're a pro better? And they have something for leading the League in strikeouts checkout glass. Now's odds. They could be a little bit Nice there, but I'm gonNA. Go Frankie Montages beginning guys that I've been a big fan of. LemMe go with Some of them a huge fan of with Montas. You know he should be ready to go and. I'm not deterred by anything. With regards to the PD suspension that doesn't strike me as something that's going to linger in any way, and so he's going to be you know one of their main guys. And hopefully they're able to get five six out of him on the rig, and he's got nasty strikeout stuff especially after adding that splitter, he now has a three pick pitch mix. He had a nine point seven strikeout rate last year and I think Frankie. Montage could definitely do it. I like it all right. Let's go to the to these saves God. This is gonNA. Be Fun. Who Do you think's GonNa get four saves and lead the League. Let's start l. let's let's stay in the Ale and go with the go with states here I'm going to cheat and take the bold prediction that Matthew Davis gave on Sundays podcast, which is that Ken Giles leads the American League incentives okay. So. It'd be a little love for Toronto then. Yeah I mean it's a brutal schedule. I don't know if you've seen Toronto scheduled. It is absolutely brutal and fair it mean. Somebody on yeah, and so maybe I shouldn't be doing this because. I do we know where they're gonNA play yet. I think they're figuring it out I. think it's being last. I had seen in in in the right up was they were working by closed doors, and they felt pretty confident that they were going. Be Able to get. It figured out. That's okay in Toronto. So that's GonNa, be interesting. Yeah, so, but Ken Giles I mean I just think he is one of those guys that is pretty locked into the role I mean the easy pick. Is You know sooner or Chapman, but feel like being a little bit different here. intaking Ken Giles now I like it i. like it now, he he qualifies a little bit off the radar guy, but but who's even further off the radar then. I'M GONNA go out column. Oh! That's a good one dude. I like that because the white sox are nice. Alex me, is that guy that everybody predicts in the industry to lose his job every year and you go, and then you go actually look at what he's done over the course of his career, and he is just produced. I mean all he does is save games so I mean we're talking about a guy that has had a at least thirty saves in three of his last four seasons, and the the one year he didn't. Didn't. He had twelve so like i. feel really really good that I'll. Alex Kalemie is going to hold down that role and just you know it's not going to be elite production, but it's just GonNa be steady, and if you're looking for one of those guys that I don't think is GonNa Cough up the role to anybody, call me as one of those guys and call me doesn't break the bank as far as getting. To. And people are. There's a contingent of fancy player that's reluctant to pay big for saves right now given the uncertainty of this weird year which I understand. And so that you know you go for somebody that call me quality team that's on the rise good division with the central. That's a great pick like that. One and I like the jobs one to even though it is a very difficult schedule, the goal ver I do think that you talk about a guy who's remarkably talented Toronto could sneak up. Up to even with the difficult schedule, they've got a lot of good offense. They've added some pitching that if if it if it does well and they kind of get some guys to over perform a little bit there, they could compete in set up for some good winds so I like that one for my main I'll pick Taylor Rogers with Minnesota, you know. I think he's somebody that people are wearing could lose the job because he's left handed and we're always worried about a left handed reliever just because there's a bias against them, but I think he's got a firm. Hold on that. You know we've been trying to put Trevor May in that role for a while now and they just don't seem to want to put them there and Rogers the nothing to lose it I mean he was great last year. Great team. He can handle right, so it's not a situation where You know he's got a major platoon. The one issue is that they don't have another. Go to lefty. That's the only little thing, but they didn't really last year, and it didn't stop them from going with Rogers, as as their closer saw, go for Rogers as mankind. Was GonNA. Let you say something on that. If I mean I I like Rogers, he's not a guy that had been targeting necessarily in drafts. just because they're guys in that tier that I. Prefer I mean he went like in the same round is Aroldis Chapman in the semi. I'm doing the round after a SUNA so like i. he just I don't tend to get him a time. especially because I do like handrails watch but I did grab him in this emmy. Q. I'm in right now. In the sixth round thinking. I could then sneak around and maybe get giles in the eighth. Unfortunately for me, child went, and so did like every other closer so I'm. Rolling with one closer until. I pull the trigger somewhere else. I hate when that happens. When you you got the you got the plan. All set up and and somebody just ruins it and there's just no backup insight for what you were trying to accomplish there i. don't hear the sirens in the back. But obviously they're sending an ambulance to my bullpen for my medication. They know that it's in deep trouble. They ended fire engines coming along to. They got to put the fire. As far as For the Secondary Guy I Kinda WanNa pick somebody to like. Take a role. But I don't know that I. Fully, believe it I know. Some folks are like nervous about brand hand. And they WANNA put somebody else there so like a like nick witrh Grin. Matt Barnes. In in Boston. Because there's a yeah, they're projected regression for workman. The only problem with any of that is will there be enough time. To then lead the League in saves like what like like how quick our team's going to have a leash on on. closers right have to think that they're going to have quit triggers right. You would think now. Maybe like Brandon Workman, who is who is pretty new to the ninth inning role, but probably not for a Brad. handwrite because I know. He had some struggles. But you look at the season you last year. It was still like the skills are still excellent. thirty-five percent strikeout seven percent walk. But the heads bounced thanks to a three sixty two BAB. Home run rate was actually better than it had been the previous two years. So I don't know I. Don't know that I necessarily see. Hand and in fact I'm going to make hand. My secondary pig because people are projecting the lose the GIG I got I got a good real deep one. Go ahead, Trevor Rosenthal. I. Mike On Mike Athenee is already like been non-combat on Ian. Kennedy, being his closer in interviews He's got a history Ruth Rosenthal. Supposedly Rosenthal is healthy, and you know looking halfway decent Rosenthal. I mean he's I. Don't think you'll lead the league in saves. Just because the royals are going to suck and I don't win enough games, but I do think like he is a an interesting guy, worth speculating on late and drafts, and you know if you because like. Like we said a long like. If you're trying to buy, save off the waiver wire and you're going to have to spend a ton of your money Oh. Yeah, absolutely no I love that call that's that's a great call, and like you said probably tough to lead the league, even if he got the job from day one because of Casey but a great. You're going to need to get Rosenthal for your bullpen there in that Emmy. I'm probably going to need to. But no. That's a good call on them Athenee. Relationship is even smarter because those personal relationships they matter, and they can have you know players that have the confidence of the manager can get themselves into a role sooner than maybe expected and You know if if he's throwing well and they don't want put, Kennedy they're. Easy, peasy, so call out there, but yeah I'll go hand as my secondary. Just because a lot of people are looking at him to lose the GIG. I'll say no what he rebounds. He hangs onto it, and then he leads LE- All right. Let's go to the nationally for save. Who's your main guy? That is going to lead the League? O, main guy that's gonNA lead the League. I mean I'm I'll go someone who's a bit off the radar You know that isn't like the foregone leader in like You know either what Yates or Or Hater. Archie Bradley Okay I. Like it, Archie. Bradley was very very good in the second half last year. I realize I think people have to sleeping on him. I think they're expecting him to. Lose the role, but there's nobody in that bullpen that I'm super afraid of and we're talking about a guy who had a one seventy one era in thirty three strikeouts and thirty one and two thirds innings in that second half last year. So You know former top prospect and I. Think maybe he finally figured it out in the bullpen, so Bradley's one of those guys who I'm grabbing his my number, two or three starter. At a pretty affordable price, though or sorry. Really closer yeah. No I like that and I agree with you that people are looking for him to lose the GIG. and. Kevin Ginkel name I've heard. Now. I. I. Like I like Bradley Two. You talk about that second half of one seventy one era and eighteen saves which was one, two, three, four tied for the fourth most. So you know, he was racking up the saves in the second half last year. I've already mentioned how much I liked that Deepak team so I think they're going to put them in some good positions to get some saves, and as long as he's pitching well. Bradley has a good shot to I. Like it great call outs. For me in the wait, no! Is Bradley was your main. So who's your canary? I'm going to go guy who doesn't have a rule or doesn't have the rule right now, but I think he could get pretty quick and that's Michael Lorenzen. So I just I mean you look at how good that reds team is. Even the rotation is really good, and the bullpen has actually really good too, but I think he I man up when Iglesias struggles in glitziest has been kind of the closer on the hot seat forever I think this is the year that he. May Lose especially especially if the reds decide that they're not going to give him a ton of rope, so I I like Lorenzo is one of those guys. Your jerk. Yours yes. I considered actually going glossiest and saying you know what I'm going to bet on him to go back. Then I pulled up his page and I saw that the homerun issues weren't particularly new. Last when you had a one six rate, he had a one five the year before. So, this is kind of boiling under under the surface from eighteen, but he outran with a still had a to thirty eight year last year it came to a head. He had a four sixteen era and twelve losses my goodness. That's that's insane, so I was going to go somewhere with the reds and I think. I was talking myself. Autumn Gracia's. Lorenzen, but then you snake them great pick I love it. I like what the reds are doing I've been obviously jock in them like crazy ever since the off season. So that's a good pick. I like your main. Being off to I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go yates or Hainer either too obvious for the nationally, though my my top pick. A lot of good options guide there really isn't I'm I'm stumped. Like Hector doesn't have copen You know I think he to say he might be back though in. Kenley Jansen Habit I think he us. Oh, you know what I need. pull up doing no, do you have the spreadsheet pulled up of the Cova Guy do was was was Kenley a symptomatic. He doesn't even have Kenley on here. That's a new one. Was Near East Let's see just looking for a healthy guy here dude. he doesn't have. He doesn't avenue on here. Oh come on. Well. I'm lagging way too much I'm just gonNA. Take I'm just GonNa Take Mary's forget it. You know what he got an early enough. He's GonNa be back. He's fine I don't even love this Pittsburgh team to be honest, but if you don't pick yates or hater, and then you took Bradley who I actually have as my Janssen first, but then I would have Bradley next in the National League. I don't WanNa go. It really drops off there, so forget it. I'll go ahead. What's your confidence level in Giovanni. Now. Shut up. Just. Just. Said healthily. Yeah, that was yeah. That was I mean I've been I've been kind of elderly guy. But I was even surprised by that like okay yeah. He said healthily, and then talked about how like if Carlos Martinez can't hold up as a starter, he'll go back in there. Tim like get Merck. Guy You know what I should have paid Gaydos as my secondary winds guy. Good big. You know he he could get six wins now. If he is going to be the firemen, because I think they're going to be a good team I. think they'll be perfectly solid, so he maybe go that route, but I don't know if. There are a lot of question marks on that team. Aren't there. Just? Solid I I. Don't you know what? Part of it, too, is it just feels like the cardinals kind of always figure things out? You know the gym station. That's always there number. Two stores Adam wainwright. The rotation is a rough dude. I can I mean so is the back half of that. Lineup though I mean it's I. Mean I like Tommy Edman and I think we're all intrigued by Dylan Carlson, but we have no idea what Carlson will actually be dexter, Fowler, relating six the You, know Yada Molina's hitting fifth as much as I love Paul Dion not accounting for the three guys out of nowhere. WHO ARE GONNA be Awesome Yeah Lane Thomas just having a breakout season. Yeah, yeah, he's going to be this year's Edmund. Brad Maria Surgeons definitely hitting twelve homers for no reason whatsoever. Yes, you're not accounting for Karnal Devil Magic. Come on like. This is a division like that has been talked. About is going to be super super competitive I would not be surprised if it's very quickly. A two team race between the reds and the brewers like I do not think the cubs very. Very good I I have much more confidence in the cardinal. Send you the comes. Yeah, and then I think the cardinals are very very iffy like I. Don't like if Nicholas isn't healthy you know we all respect to the Hudson to take a step back. You know we have no idea where where we're going to get from Quantity on him. like Carlos Martinez starter reliever like Ross Resource as in. The. Resource. Page of them is great. They have four. Close Your Carlos. Goes Ryan. Housley. In a Andrea Miller. That's that is like who knows. Martinez was starting though so, but I understand that that quote kind of money that up, basically saying that they might not have confidence in him, so we'll see we'll see how that goes. With regards to their 'cause I, hear you on on having some trepidation with the cardinals. I will admit that bridging the gap between what we see on paper and my expectations. Is Cardinals Devil Matt I'm no I'm barely kidding, but they always seem to have pieces that figure it out and come up and play above their level for them so. I could see and again you know what if Alex radius is just like a a great pitcher for them in in a hybrid role where he's getting multiple innings in a lot of games each week, ponds daily owned to I think he's a guy that. was kind of hoping would make the rotation, but he actually may be more valuable long relief exactly so. All right well then. Again. I'm not super confident in that y'all I gotta be honest I just had to pick somebody. I'd be more confident in a in a secondary pick of man I lost it. I had a name and I lost it just in. Just shoot me in the face, Dude. Hudson. Mark Melanson I. Swear I had a guide we started talking clicked off, and we just hit the back button now. I'm not on their roster. I was on the roster page. I had a guy we started talking about the cardinals and Doley laws. They've got him more on I. Like the Danielson, though you know. Do Little might not even go through with this a because. Everything's been so wonky. I do love doolittle and when he's pitching, he's awesome, but health is definitely eluded him and. Hudson has his own health issues there, too, so it's not not like he's the bastion of health, but we'll go Daniel Hudson there I liked that Washington team even out there in the east. Thank you for helping me with that. All right now we go to era. This is where things can get. get wild. No, are we saying anybody or we saying start? Who are going to like? We're going to put it an innings. Along there, let's go. Let's go starters because if you're trying to pick a reliever I mean some relievers going to have a one something he are a. So I think that that'd be. Tough to try to identify who who that's going to be. You know some random guy who throws twenty four innings. And comes up with like I said like one seventy IRA I'm not asking for that. I'm looking for the starter, so let's. The Primary so even if it's somebody who doesn't start games, but gets four innings every time he pitches. That's what we're looking for here, so let's go nationally I. WHO's your? WHO's your top dog to lead the League in era? drinks. Good. Yeah. That terrible team, yeah! I mean I was impressed with him in the original spring, training, I haven't heard anything to to push me off of him. He's been my number. Three starter in the pretty much in every draft That I've didn't put their right because especially, if you get too big strikeout studs, it just feels so nice kind of. In there for the ratio boost in the semi that I'm doing where I'm kind of really just pushing pitching down or add been pushing pitching down, you know took Yu Darvish as my number one I took Frankie Montages, my number two, and then a Kyle Hendricks my number three I like it and so like. Yeah, he's just one of those guys that you know. Obviously you need to pair him with some strikeout, guys but. I do think he is going to be the IRA leader. Starters that's great and That could be one of the few bright spots. I agree with you that that cubs team has challenged particularly the bowl. Actually called me to do relief I, said I just. I don't want I. Don't WanNa get Komen. I appreciate the offer. They asked me to relief for them. Because it's, it's so bad, the lineup still solid. You know a lot of good players there, but. I, just don't know I just don't know how they compete. The one thing that helps just as a general idea is that bullpens can of be built out of. Thin Air. You know a couple of guys can pop off if Roe in Wick and you know the resurgence of Jeremy Jeffress. If they go off and Kimbrough find something well. There's three guys right there and all of a sudden things look a lot better, but I'm not expecting that and I'm not, GonNa, project that for them, so yeah, I have a lot of concerns, but Hendrix is still very good darvish, and then a good handful of their hitters that I'll be drafting, but other than that. Their outlook is not wonderful. WHO's a further off the radar? Guy That you think could lead? The League in the are among a starter started types Don't you dare pick my guy either by the way I'd well. It's going to be really hard for me. I don't know that I have one. GonNa Pick Caleb Smith and I've heard you had some goals. I've heard he's a really good pitcher in in you know. Should be the guy that I I'M GONNA. I KINDA WANNA double up on Max free, but I'm not. No I'M GONNA. Go it I'm I'm I'M GONNA go Anthony Desk fawning. All okay. Sorry I'm I'M GONNA go. Luke Weaver, okay, okay now like that one even better, but the Tony Disco ones good call out to do I. Do like Tony, disco quite a bit. Good call. talked to us about we were than love, weaver. Yeah! Weaver is just one of those guys that I think is obviously you know. Getting pushed down because of the amount of inning see through last year being injured, but I mean he had a two thousand four yard in sixty four innings, so we're talking about. That's likely the amount of innings. He's going to get this year like. You know the fifth was pretty much right in line with a three point, O. Seven. V held down. The walks really held down the home runs. I think chase field in the humor really helps him to be able to grip the ball and the way he wants to to get his changeup going so I really like Luke Weaver this year. I think you know. Obviously, there's some risk to them with the health issues, but you know he's got to do is stay healthy for sixty innings. And everything looks good. And he was coming in healthy, looking ready to go for a full season, so I think everything works with with Luke Weaver there. You guys now a big fan of his. I think that's a great call out. As somebody who could lead the league and do some do some big things in this small season here for main guy in the nationally. I'm going to go sonny, Gray. coming up that great season last year a lot of what he did. I read steam I wasn't going to pick custody I considered going. Castio again, but I'll diversify my in my reds starters. He had a two hundred seventy last year V was at three, forty, two and a little bit of a separation there, but really advanced with his secondary stuff to yield a big strikeout rate, not a huge Walker. Average sort of walk guy but if he keeps the ball in the yard the way he did last year keeps those kids limited I think Sunny Greg could put up another big are a and possibly lead the league in shortened season. I like it a lot. Sorry, I was GONNA. Say Like I've been a sunny great attractor for a long time and I. Turned him beside myself around on him. Last year was was a big year for those didn't like him. They took they took a close look at him. It'd be hard for them to stay. steadfast against Sonny. Gray was the advancement steady made in Cincinnati with first year for my Secondary Guy. Who Orioles for the for the dodgers I? mean he's been throwing. These shortened seasons for a while now because they've always been managing him so I think he's got a good chance to do some big things I. Don't know that they're going to have the luxury to really baby him. I think he should be a guy who. Hopefully, offer, it can at least go five. But with this with an er, a thing as long as he's going three four on the rig. And put post in great ratios you know you have to forty nine year last year and seventy nine and two thirds as a hybrid guy he's a three eighteen career era guy. I just love Julio Areas and I'm excited to see what he can do. I, was really excited for the full year because he was going to finally have the rains take off a bit and I'm eager to see what he can do in this sprint as well so he's my secondary pick I. Like it like a lot. I American League who you got for us. ooh, I had someone lined up in now I'm I'm blanking on who I can relate. Melted down during the saves picks. God? Who Was it? It was Somebody that I thought was really really good Do you have yours handy? Yes I can go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Go first here. I'M GONNA go Lucas Giuliano for the main. Nights, because. You know that White Sox club is kind of an up and comer I believe in a lot of what he did last year, and I think leaning. Leaning central is a good idea. We all know that that's going to be the easiest the easiest of the three divisions at least on paper. It's unlikely that things could drastically change though I'd say on paper just to kind of cover myself. Because obviously you know okay maybe. I don't even know which teams would really rise up to make it to where that became a difficult division. It just doesn't seem like that's going to find any way to become a remarkably difficult division, so I'm GonNa go with Julia there in the in the power central. Don't want hard on what he did last year. Maybe not doing exactly everything but holding most of those gains and leading the League in era. And again for those that. Are Clear here when we're picking these. Even our main guy, we could give you coul- inver lander for everything, but that's boring as hell were trying to give you the the second, the next level of studs, and then with the second pick somebody who's even further off the radar there, so that's what we're going for their. And to that end you mentioned earlier i. will now take to my ada as a as a pick here. And, we already kind of got into. How much like him? You almost picked him for the winds. Now he was up at four Oh four last year. Era might not be the best thing for my Ada however. It's a spring. And I really like everything like he can. He always is good for a big run at at at any point in a season, and and you look up and you're like. Did you see my over the last x number of games? He's been on fire and so. I just I just want to give him some love and I'm kinda running on spots to do it here. Maybe should've with might have been the better one for him. It was at one eight. One seven last year versus a four zero four, but I'll put them for a are a why not I love I love to Mina and I'm excited to see what he can do for the twins. Yeah all right I remember who mine was It's a Charlie Morton ooh okay yeah. I just you know I think he's one of those kind of older vet that people forget about because he so old and bursted onto the scene late pitches in Tampa Bay, but he's going to be there. You know one of their horses. I think they're gonNA. Ride him pretty well and and I think he has a real opportunity to to deliver just really quality innings. In have kind of that league-leading era, yeah? That's a great call out there Morton is so good and he is a bit underrated. As far as like a second, you know he's goes as like a secondary Ace, but I think sometimes people do it begrudgingly. They're waiting for the other shoe to drop as far as age. There's nothing in his profile. That suggests that that Charlie Morton is gonNA. Fall the it would. It would be a surprise if something goes sideways. It's going to be like Oh. Damn, it's going to be health related really that that's the only thing because he does have some health issues in his career, but skills wise. You should feel great about taking Charlie Morton all right. WHO's Your Secondary Guy? Shohei Ohtani, all that's a good one. I was waiting waiting to get him in for something so well. Now me to it. There's a few other guys that I was thinking about here, but I am going to go with Otani I just think that. he is just a premium athlete. Who knows what we're actually get from him? And he's going to be just a headache to us. Especially in like a weekly leagues like NFC for pitching but I just think that there's a reason the angels are continuing to push him as a starter in this shortened season, and it's because he's just such a premium talent when healthy he's, he's just said am good I agree and I like it. That's that's that's a great pick. They're like I said I was kind of looking for something to fit him in on and. I didn't do it for strikeouts. Because of the volume and one of the ratios would have been the right time to do it. Maybe I should have put him in era in my Ada in whip, but that's all right. Good, good call good thing. We got some Otani love their speaking of whip. Let's transition there with the American league. Who? I'M GONNA go with Shane, bieber. I! Guys, yeah, give up heads. Yeah I mean he's a projected to only fifteen walks this season by steamer. I Think, it is good and I could obviously go with coal or early under, but I feel like they're cheat codes, and so bieber seemed like the next best option. Yeah no I agree with you there and I and I do like that You know he's had some pushback based on some of the hard contact that he's given up. Some folks are kind of peeling back from Bieber. I'm torn. I liked clovinger more as far as Cleveland. Guys go, but I still be I would still let him fronta rotation for me. I? Don't think that he's GonNa flop. Think that there's still some evolution. His game here to where he might even have another level where he re cuts. Some of that home run rate and really really. Masters his his arsenal to the point where that three twenty, eight, one zero five that we saw last year might not even be the best of his career so. That's where I'm at with Bieber. Who is Your Secondary Guy? WHO's your further off the radar pick? I'M GONNA. Debating between two guys well, one's not authorized are enough I'll go eighty. Oh you make do like Andrew, heaney I do. I don't know if you've never heard talk about I really should, and if you thought I was going to go ole Bod Kasagic, not mentioning Andrew Rainy. You're absolutely crazy badly. Mistaken Fools but I mean steamer projects him to have a one seventeen weapon. So then you're talking about You know little bit of Babba, pluck and maybe. Defend them holds up well and and maybe he's a guy that can drop down into those low ones so I think he needs one of those guys again. Not He's GonNa be difficult to manage in weekly leagues because they're going to run that six man rotation s yes, that's me a pain in the butt, but he's still guys that I liked considering where he's going Yep. I can get behind it Yeah, you have been the Heaney Heaney guy on the pod, but I understand the skill and. He could be an ice. Pick up this year and really do some things, so that's a good call out with Bieber for me in the American league I'm going to go Kluber as my main guy. There's fantasy analyst out there who like thinks kluber sucks. Dude I heard Guyana Pot it was so. Yeah I turned it off, immediately deleted. Couldn't deal with. It was names. Mazen or something I think Yeah, just awful. Just just unbelievable, but was it. Must Jason yes? Yes, and I hated it because. You're an insane human being. No look I understand some trepidation with thirty four Basically lost the season last year due to health. You got hit by a bad ball that broke his arm and then had no bleak when he was returning that really just the season was over, but I can't. I can't throw them out. I just can't get rid of him. He's going over to Texas. We've talked about how he liked that like that rotation there. They've got a four-pack. I like all five. Really Join LYLES's. A five is not bad. So I think I think we'll have a bounce back season. He's always been whip stud while except last year again, that was done. Ask season, but the before that point ninety nine point eighty seven before that he often. He? Rarely I should say walk skies as I say often doesn't walk. Is what a weird sentence structure that would have been, but he rarely walks when he's on. Four percent the last two years before last year's weird seven starts season so I think kluber bounce back. gets it done. I mean if he's healthy. He's definitely one of those guys that can do that. And then for my secondary pick to similar to you going through an entire pitching podcast, not talking about Heaney I'm not getting through this without talking about Aaron Savelli low obviously I have to mention him He had a one zero four whip. In his fifty seven and two thirds. Last season that came with a two fifty, Babbitt, which is pretty nice to ten average against. But he doesn't walk guys. That's the foundation of it similar to like a beaver, and then you know a little bit of Babylon. Sprinkled on is something that could all of a sudden send you down in the low ones or even sub one the whip where I really think he could build I. Think Savelli could push his strikeouts because Arsenal can merit. Merit more than we saw last year, but I think when he was talking with with Nick and Alex on Pitcher list. Here's how it was just trying to survive, and he wasn't really worried about strikeouts. He's collecting outs doesn't care how they come, and that's the way it should be right. You're just trying to get the outs anyway. You can so. I think Somali could be a whip stud for you. Even if even if the strike outs don't necessarily come to fruition this year. I like it I mean the. Guys! Let's wrap it up in the NFL. Who Do you got for the for Your Main Guy Oh God? I forgot we're doing the still. Last two picks here. Let's see all go. I'M GONNA go my boy Jack Clarity. Largely because we haven't talked about him, you have this podcast and I I feel like that's a shame, so Yeah I mean Jack Ladies One of those guys that. I think is You could conceivably push him up into of the top part of that. You know second tier worry bottom part of the first year starting. is like a top six starter I think he should be and so yeah. I'm. I'm big Fan of Jack. Clarity getting to pitch in that you know beast, central, or least central at I don't really. Throw. Vision there and so yeah, I do like do Jack To. He's like the one or one of the few bright spots that I have for that cardinals team. And he led baseball or the National League for sure probably all baseball in whip in the second half with a point seven one I mean he was just out of his mind. UNHITTABLE wasn't walking many guys. It was. It was a sight to behold. So you're right, you know even though I'm not a huge forty guy. It's not that I'm like anti flair. have got him. Actually forget where I put them in my update but I. You know I moved him up. I like my acknowledged the immense talent, but I do WANNA. See what he does for a follow up here. The divisions the right one for him to just not lose a step though and just keep going off so I. Think I think we see something like that from him. How about your further off the radar pick? This is harder in the National League, I agree I really I have one but. I agree that it's not easy. You know I. Really Don't know where to go. Here. I mean 'cause I mean. I mean Chris. Paddock is obviously not a sneak. One guys a little bit. Pick somebody from course. Yeah that's A. that's a great idea. I I like that. John John. Kyle freeland. Cal Free alert for yeah, that's the that's too obvious. He's to go okay well. That's not fair and then Oh, God really am struggling with this one Man Gallon. I do like Zach Gallon I'm GonNa? Go Ross stripling. Okay I like it, he he can be mentioned more than once. You know that doesn't bother me. Yeah I mean good defense behind him. you know is? A Guy that I've always really liked a he's. He's still go. His price is obviously going to go up a huge amount, but I think he's a very I. Think he'll still be under eighty. Considering what his what his role is going to be now on the dodgers team. Yeah, I, love it. That's a great pick. As far as I'm concerned for me. The nationally I'M GONNA GO SAROKA for the for the for the main I guess I know he's going to be. We talked about it. Front End Guide to three innings, maybe sometimes four. But even even with the fact able with his deficiency of not getting many strikeouts and probably aggression off of what he did last year. He still doesn't walk anybody and I think he's still going to be difficult to hit. I don't feel great about picking. Somebody lied and whip. That's in that beast division, but I love what he can do. He won eleven web last year. That was kind of his calling card as far as. Ratios whereas calling card total, but I think web is the one that you can really believe in because he are as a little bit more of something that can fluctuate, so give me Sirocco for the main, and then a guy. You mentioned earlier for the Secondary Tony Disco Baby Do it, and what really set me off on? That was one of four whip in the second half last year I was tied with Stephen Strasburg and that was tied for one, two, three, four, five, six, tied for sixth with Strasbourg and Bumgarner. So that was really nice, he was he'd really cut his walks. The hits had really gone down and we've seen him kind. Kind of show flashes over the course of these last handful of seasons, even in the even in the twenty thousand. When he had a four ninety-three, he still had some runs at different times. homers have been an issue for him. Though for for disco to really breakthrough, he does need to cut the home run rate. However, homers don't necessarily affect whip as far as. Making it impossible to lead the League now obviously counts toward whip. It's a hit, but I'm saying that that being issue he doesn't walk is and he doesn't allow a ton of hits usually. Except for that two thousand eighteen season, so I think there's a possibility and if and if he does him, the homers breakout season is on is on. The is on the docket for Tony Disco which is Anthony. Dusko funny for those that don't know his very wonderful nickname, so that's going with their. I like it like it a lot. I mean I like I, said I. Picked him earlier, so he was a guy that I'm definitely very high on and I think he is kind of an underrated acid fantasy, especially with that offense behind him in Cincinnati and getting being that least central, yes. Believe me. That played a role in my picks. Leaning, on that division, they're not exclusively, but definitely found myself going there as a tiebreaker at the very least so our I man. We did it, we we. We got it done and those are picks. I think I still think we could do fun. One of leaders outside of two hundred For, one one of the I'm gonNA write about one of them, hitters or pitchers. I think that's a fun article the right, but then we could do one for I. Don't know, but we're going to keep going here and What do you got on what you got on the draft? Get here. I know you're in that. Emmy. Q.. What else you got planned. Anything else coming up. Yeah, I've got two main events coming up and a beat Justin Mason online championship so the the main events are going to be the twentieth and the twenty third and the. Justin Mason Online Championship. I believe is the twenty second at excellent turn. I have not set my pulse board just yet. I have to get that done today as far as. Giving them a date, but then my main with dusty. Next, Sunday yes, Sunday the nineteenth, so we will. Be drafting that have that on twitch, DOT, TV slash spor have a little bit of a delay on there. In case, any of our opponents are in there. We don't want them snaking us. So yeah, that's what we got on the draft docket. Let's grind through this Justin where we're moving forward at least it's. It's better than nothing. Right Yep I trying to have some optimism I. Think we're definitely going to have a season. What that season looks like when we have it? That I do not know Yep I think that's perfectly fair, so we'll keep you updated on everything that we can't yes. I, just went over to check my beat Justin. Mason League because I posted yesterday. And the guy impairing with in one of my main events as joined my league. I can. It's like I'm going to have your ranks. Strategies, come on I see you billy I'm I'm a crush this four. That's really funny. Well Good luck good luck in that, but all right. I will talk to you next week. Have a great weekend. Along.

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Effectively Wild Episode 1702: Just a Bit Outside

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Effectively Wild Episode 1702: Just a Bit Outside

"Does your friend out low end. Welcome to episode. Seven actively wildaid baseball podcast fame graphs presented by our patriot supporters. I ben bemberg of the wringer joined background of bank alone ag. Love got ourselves a guest. Today will shortly shorten talking to youth and singer who is the creator of umpire scorecards. Which if any of you listening or on twitter or on the internet and consume baseball content. You very likely have come across something that ethan has created. He started the at scorecards. Twitter account and just recently launched a website up scorecards dot com. And it's all dedicated to assessing the accuracy of umpires and grading them on a game to game basis and now on a season long basis and looking at the impact team two teams. So we're gonna talk to ethan still a student about how he created these resources and processes the information and turns out to be pretty to actually judge after the fact whether a pitch was a strike maybe not quite as tricky as it is in the moment behind home plate while wearing a mask but still pretty tricky and there's a lot of nuance and techniques. That goes into it so that'll be a fun conversation. And i've been interested in that even as someone who like you has reservations about robo umps and feels somewhat romantic about not just the human element for umpires less so that than i. The human element that comes into play with catching and how hitters indirect with the strike zone that is called by empires and how pitchers interact with it etc. I still see a lot of value in having this available. And it's clear that there's a demand for it because they're eighty-one thousand twitter followers and that's a lot more than we have put together and his account is a lot newer so we probably should shoulda tweeted about the accuracy. Instead of whatever else we've been tweeting not tweeting about. See the the failure in your logic that i want eighty one thousand twitter followers. I don't know. I don't know about that man. Sometimes i'm like having one is too many. Well we will have ethan soon. Couple things i wanted to mention the first is that i've been seeing a new term for zombie runner. Start to circulate catching on in some quarters. And i want to try to nip it in the bud. And maybe i'm risking the streisand effect. Here by watching it on a podcast. It's clever i just don't like it as much as i like. Zombie runner in so. I want my preferred term to catch on but people have started calling it the manfred mann. I like it in theory. But i think a it requires some knowledge of sixties and seventies rock music so immediately. You're losing a lot of people not me. I appreciate it but many will not ed. Also i think it is not condemnatory enough. I think this zombie runner is Clearly negative there's a negative tinged to that term whereas the manfred mann clever ad. That is it. it doesn't necessarily express the idea that the manfred mann is a bad thing. I guess it's sort of mocking a little bit. But it could also be sort of celebrating. Rob manfred for the the boldness to innovate input. A runner in second base to start extra innings. So i don't care for it. I think it's hard to say. I think the manfred mann is say a little bit. I think he caught your mouth gets caught up on all those annan's ensler hard to i agree with you. I think that the zombie runner it denotes terror crisis. Something coming to get you barbara. And that is. That's much more in keeping with the dread that we feel at the prospect of this rule persisting beyond our pandemic times whereas the manfred mann is like you know i don't know bunch a british with haircuts. So what's that let's not. let's not anything. No i like zombie runner. Because it it's very evocative and it captures the reanimation of the hitter. Who made an out. And now being restored to the bases. And also it's ghost runner adjacent so people been using ghost renner. It's easy to to win them off. Ghost runner and use zombie runner instead. And i object to go leonard just because that was existing time in use for a runner who's invisible. It's not a real runner. An imaginary runner. You're you're making the base with because you don't have enough people to be on the base so that is a different meaning. I think in so zombie is close enough. But i think better captures it so medford man i chuckled. It's clever it's witty wordplay. Perhaps but i that it doesn't catch on hope. Zombie renner dozen and the rangers. Broadcasters have been using zombie runner. And i've been some tweets that they've tweeted about it and so that's gratifying to hear it being used in actual major league game so i hope it catches on. Of course i hope. Zombie renner itself does not catch on and that we will no longer have to say it because it will no longer exist but if it does exist then. I hope that we can use the term. That is my favorite. Yeah i support you then. I think that you're right about this. As you have proven to be on many of the things related to the zombie runner. And again i. I like the idea that there might be fast. Zombie runners slow zombie runners. Because the zombie genre has expanded its purview. It no longer requires them to be slow. Some of them are very fast and that makes them even more terrifying. Because really it's just like i don't know make sure you're wearing sneakers and don't fall down. Why is what always fall down in horror movies. I think there's down. I think that people are are sure on their feet than that. I think that it's. I don't know that that holds water but i don't think it's realistic to account for the pressure of the situation. No it's not quite analogous to our daily movement. So i'd imagine that if you are perhaps running through the woods and some slavering beast is trying to eat you than you know. Maybe your balance wouldn't be up to. Its its usual par but still it does seem like it's It's an exaggerated rate slow zombies. They don't scare me at all. You pay out walk them. Yeah and look. I don't want to discount. How impactful root systems might be to experience on the woods like that. That might come and get you. Even if there isn't a zombie involved but it just seems like people fall down a lot. I had just like stop turning around to see this ambi- and focus on running forward and looking at where you're going and i think you're gonna survive more often than not. It's kind of amazing like the walking dead's been on for twenty years and I think those are like medium paced. Zombies i stopped watching that show because it was the quality grocery. She wasn't quite right for me. You made the smart decision. I've watched every episode of that show and every spin off of that show. Sodas oh oh yeah multiplying but yeah. It isn't that show. And we don't have to get into a lengthy digression psalm but they really gets you when they're in groups of the real risk and yet it does seem one of the displeasure of watching. That show is how often you were yelling at the screen. Saying why are you not doing this very thing that you would do in the situation and it's because this obvious are to medicine unless the people do things that they shouldn't do to get themselves in trouble. Yeah i i. Just i think that focus on running straight on and and watching where you're going and you're gonna be okay more often than not although you know. There's nothing that says that zombies would only afflict people who are really good strategy so maybe in that respect it's it's very accurate and sort of true-to-life that you get some you get some some thinkers on and you get some folks that are just Gonna get eaten. we're unlucky. You know sometimes the thinkers don't make it either and we don't want anyone to get eaten by a zombie thinker or no so. I guess that's what we'd have to say about that. What are we talking about this. This is one. Dan said of the term zombie. Renner is that. It encourages unscheduled and perhaps unwanted segues into actual zombies. But we can move on from that to another of my hobby horses which is pitcher hitting because this was brought to my attention just this week when we had another instance of a pitcher really ostentatiously not hitting just having to hit but no effort whatsoever to hit and i think we talked about this earlier this season when there was a taiwan walker played appearance against matt harvey and he just very clearly was not going to lift the bat off his shoulder. He was just gonna stand there and take whatever came his way until he either walked her struck out and of course he struck out. This happened this week and it was maybe even funnier and it was sort of a a ridiculous situation because it was pitcher hitter against position player. Pitcher and really. That's just a race to the bottom. And i've been meaning to try to figure out analytically which is worse you know which is more incompetent who is trying to hit or a position player who is trying to pitch. They're both pretty terrible. And really you could say it's one of the sort of nice but i'll be at strange things about baseball. Is that we so regularly get to see people do things that they are not qualified to and are not trained to and not selected to do. I mean in many sports. How often do you see someone. Perform as incompetently and look as incompetent as a pitcher hitter does or position player pitcher and these are fairly routine things pitch hitting is an extremely routine thing and position player. Pitching has become a fairly routine thing and one thing that i do. Value about pitcher hitting is that the steep decline over time does enable us to see how much better players have gotten the doing the things that they are actually trying to be good at and so it's helpful to have pitcher hitting as kind of a contrast to that but really are there other sports where you so regularly see people who are asked to do things that you're not at all prepared to do at that high level of competition. It takes like really catastrophic injury multiple people for that to happen right because even when you have your your average backup quarterback is like generally significantly worse than your starter sometimes like really really worse than your starter but like often can throw a pass downfield like they're not gonna be good. There are backup for a reason. And you want your starter in instead. But they're at least operating in the same general position group right. It's only one like really bad stuff happens. And you're getting like the emergency quarterback that things go awry or you know sometimes in football you'll get injuries too to some part of your kicking apparatus. That's not the way to describe it. I am a football fan. But like you'll get you know like something will happen to your long snapper or everyone catches kovic in your face. Citing the fiftieth string person. Who's available eight or like you know the the got. Your punter suddenly has to kick field goals for you but like even there didn't mean with pitcher hitting your guys who have not hit since little league right there in the pick lakes couple of years ago on the seahawks kam chancellor who is their strong safety. Was there like third. String super emergency quarterback and even he had played some quarterback but it had been since you know maybe early college potentially high school since he had done that and i just remember never having see him ever take a single snap so it didn't matter it was just like a thing you knew and if you wanted to feel anxious you could be. And even i didn't really indulge that because it's like oh we at least about backup so yeah it's a very. It's a very unusual circumstance in some sports. I mean. I'm sure that we'll get emails from people being like it's exactly like this thing and that's cool. I am excited to learn about it. But it is a very strange bit of business to have someone essentially flip from offense defense when they don't already play that position exactly when they don't already play both sides of the. I am aware that there are. There are sports. Were you both things. Yes this is not one of those situations so you got in the nhl you get the emergency goalies every now and then and that's kind of a fun story but they are still goalies like they may not be professional goals or high level professional goals. But they are goalies whereas a pitcher hit her is in many cases not really a hitter in any real sense except that he is being tasked with hitting anyway. This came to mind because archie bradley had an at bat and archie bradley unaffiliated now and is a reliever so is obviously not hitting regularly although he started in the past with the diamondbacks and so he hit at times. Not well he has a career. Oh ninety five ninety four five slash line. That's your basic one eighty nine up. Yes in sixty eight appearances and that was a little lower after his appearance this week. And what made it funny. Is that as i said. He was going against a position player pitcher in this case. It was reds infielder. Mike freeman a former teammate of archie bradley and the phillies were up. Seventeen to three in this game. And it was two outs in the ninth. So this is not a situation where anyone is incentivized to try their hardest but archie bradley to not try al and he did not pick the fat off his shoulder. For the first two pitches before the third pitch he briefly faked a bunt. I think jokingly and then put the bet back on his shoulder and left it there and it was I think it was a four pitch strike out so he did. Not swing did not even know that. He was going to attempt to swing. And so having seen that. And having seen taiwan walker do the same in a little bit less of a lopsided situation. I wondered whether this was getting more widespread. The pitcher played appearance where the pitcher just does not even try to look like a hitter and i can't quite quantify that but i can quantify whether there was a swing or any attempt to make contact with pitch so even abundant or any reason why the pitcher would have lifted the bat off his shoulder or meet any actual motion to try to put the ball in play. And i asked lucas laris of baseball prospectus. To look this up for me and he was able to go back to the beginning of the century. And just look at the percentage of pitcher plate appearances and position player plate appearances where this doesn't happen where there's no attempt to swing and unsurprisingly. The pitcher rate has increased astronomically. It is a much higher than it has ever been before and it still low like. It's still fairly rare but it is now up to seven point. Oh four percent of pitcher plate appearances in which the pitcher just takes every pitch until it's over and this is a lot higher this is like two and a half times more common than it was like in two thousand and two. It was two point. Seven one percent of pitcher players appearances now again. It's seven point. Oh four and there does appear to have been a large leap this season specifically just from two thousand nine hundred and we can throw out twenty twenty because pitchers basically didn't hit but just in two thousand nineteen. It was like five percent so still you know almost twice as frequent as it was twenty years ago or less than twenty years ago but now it has really jumped up over seven percent and that still a a small number but a appreciable number and it probably makes sense that it has spiked both over time and also suddenly had just this season. Because you have pitchers who did not hit it. All last year and pitchers who probably expected that they wouldn't have to hit this year and may not have done as much preparation as they would have done otherwise if they had done any and maybe also they feel like pitcher hittings days are numbered and universal d. h. is coming in. So why. Try so yeah. It's now an all time. High rate and just for comparative purposes. Lucas also gave me the position player rate and that has not increased over the same span. At all in fact it has declined a little bit and it is Now than it is for pictures. It's about five percent and and if you look at the percentage of plate appearances where there was no swing for a pitcher but there may have been a bunt attempt but just no actual swing even if there was a a bunt That is now over twenty percent which is all also pretty high. There was one year two thousand nine when it was up that high previously but otherwise this is the second highest rate. So you know. Make sense because Pitchers are bad at this. And i think most of them know that they're bad at this and injury rates are high. So you know why bother obviously wipe other if you're going against a position player pitcher in seventeen to three game in. It's a former teammate of yours. But even in other situations you know it may just not be worth the risk of pulling an oblique or hurting your hand or something so you just stand there and take it until the suffering is mercifully over. I know that this is not exactly the same thing. Because you know there are going to be instances. I mean every single game where pitcher has to hit in the course of a couple of times right in the course of being a starter and so it is not as if you necessarily have the option to concede. Because why would you do that. You're trying to win a baseball game. But when things get really really out of hand and the score is a football score perhaps part of the confusion here is that they thought they were playing football after the score had gotten to where it did but i do wonder sometimes about why were so reluctant to forfeit just and then and then you know what is what is the pitcher keeping the bat on his shoulder but forfeiting the plate appearance rate flow forfeiting. The game is still going to go. Try his hardest when he has to pitch. But you're essentially conceding the plate appearance and i just wonder if we we shouldn't have a bigger conversation about why were so reluctant to allow for forfeits in some situations because i don't know that. The difference between a pitcher forfeiting a given plate appearance earlier in the game. Now in the ninth inning with two outs and a blow out but just in the game is is actually as different. It is definitely different. But i wonder if it is actually as different as conceding when the score is is wildly divergence and the gap is widening and sort of insurmountable late in game. And that's a bigger conversation than we can have right now because we're just trying to get to the point where we say and now our guest but i i wonder about conceding and forfeiting because generally. I think we don't want people to do that. Because there's already enough of folks not trying very hard or trying as hard as we think they ought to. But i think it's a little different when you're just being forced to do a thing that is really should be answer to your job description so maybe at some point in the future we could contemplate a larger conversation about fitting in when we think it's acceptable and it's funny because like next year. Hopefully we just don't have to deal with this because they won't be of they're hitting anymore. Yeah and we entered that recently about like pitcher protest and what if they all struck out on purpose and and tried to make a point of it so we've touched on that and obviously like putting in a position player. Pitcher is a form of forfeiting. It is conceding in a sense but not actually doing so and there's nothing in the rules. That says you can't do that. It's just kind of institutional cultural reluctance to do that. So i don't know what you would have to do to persuade people to take that step because at that point like they're not harboring any hope of a comeback you know we're we're all kind of wasting each other's time. Oh a little bit. I guess maybe some players like accumulating the stats or something. You know not archie bradley. He's not going to be paid any better if he gets a single in that plate. Appearances a reliever. But you're reading. Mercedes for instance. So i guess that there's some incentive for some players to want to play on and there's just a larger i think cultural disincentive to look like quitters. Essentially even if you are essentially throwing in the towel as soon as you bring in that position player pitcher so unless they really codified it where they said you know mercy rule essentially frank rich. We've talked about that probably in the past unless they did that. I don't know whether they could get a team to take that step of not just effectively throwing in the towel but actually throwing in the towel to be clear. I'm not saying that they should. I just think that we should talk. More about it because We talk around it a lot. Yeah you and i specifically but like you know designed to geist the extent that it contemplates forfeiting in baseball games at all. He tends to talk around it when it does. I think i'd rather have fits in really lopsided blowouts than i would have a zombie runner in a close game. So that's and certainly not a manfred mann. no. I also wanted to mention because we talked about an. Fte's how ever begrudgingly and reluctantly on our last episode prompted by mlb. His decision to use lou. Gehrig day as kind of a test case for an f. T. is was kinda hickey because that is a moment where a man is announcing a death sentence essentially and that means a lot to a lot of people and were turning it into an nfc. At i know that in that specific case i think the proceeds were gonna go to charity but it was also clearly like. Hey can we make this into a sustainable business. And there's a quote. I think in the press release from mlb as vp of business development. Who said when you think about. Nafta there is this concept of it being a fad. What we're looking to do is to build a long term sustainable business in a have bad news for the vpn business. Which is that. It certainly looks like a fat. We kind of talked about this yesterday. Just the the irony of mlb getting into this just as it seemed like the bottom was fortunately falling out of this market but not long. After he posted that episode. There was a report just about how the nf t. Market bubble has popped and the transactions are down lake ninety percent from their peak. And it's just kind of falling apart across the board. And i don't think it's gonna go away entirely but it doesn't seem like people are shedding a lot of tears outside of Maybe a a few tech crypto rose who who made a killing here. I don't know that anyone is particularly attached to this. Because as we mentioned yeah the the nfc may be a unique thing that you are chiseling out on the blockchain for yourself and that can't be replicated but the moment itself is easily replicable. We cannot watch it so it sort of this meaningless distinction. So i would not be sorry to see this happen in for. Mlb to have terrible timing in to have missed the boat when it came to capitalizing on this market that burned bright but hopefully has burned itself out at least until they figure out how to do it without destroying the environment and using an inordinate amount of electricity. Yeah which seems you know not that. I don't know that there's a thing that would ever justify the environmental impact to the size for me so just to be clear. I don't know that this is like a bar that they could ever ever clear but they sure haven't here because we've all we've seen the speech why you know we don't have to relitigate why we don't understands the particular individual incentives here but yeah it seems as if there are other ways that mlb might go about making their business sustainable and it doesn't involve a thing that ends up. Being mostly speculative market. I don't know that's just one podcasters opinion and it's not only because they've made me feel old. Although it is at least a little bit will admit that part you know. I don't i don't see it. Maybe feel old initially because it was like wait. What is this do. I have to care about this. Why don't i understand this. But then it became clear that it is terrible. Isn't just that i missed the appeal because I'm not young hip enough. No it's that it actually is bad and almost wholly without redeeming qualities. and so. it's okay that i was initially repelled by it because it's not like Listening to new music. And it's not to your liking and you say music used to be better in my day. That is a subjective matter and many people have different opinions with an. I'm not sure that many people do have different opinions. Maybe a small minority too. But anyway i figured i would pass along that report just because it seems that. Mlb has gotten on this set at just the right time to not people to make much money off it which is maybe for the best but also sort of amusing and the other report that i wanted to pass along relevant to something we've discussed lately. Is that it. Sounds as if four minor league pitchers have been ejected and suspended for using foreign substances this season all in low a. or high and we have talked about how there have been some reports that mlb is about to crack down on this and they've been gathering the data and the intel and suddenly they're going to spring into action and to nab every offender. I don't know if that's actually going to happen. But i do wonder whether picking on these players in low a. or high is their way of kind of testing that out. You know doing a trial run where no one is really paying attention. And no one has the standing to be upset about it or to make much of a fuss about it. So i feel a little bit bad. If that's the case for the manually pitchers who were the test cases the sacrificial lambs here but i also sort of approve of trying to do something about this problem and perhaps this is a step toward that so anyway. There is reportedly at a meeting on thursday. Which is possibly taking place as we speak. We haven't heard anything about the outcome of that. But supposedly aren't substances was one of the items on that owners meeting agenda so there may be some concrete action that comes of this and perhaps those minor league pitchers getting tossed as sort of the the tremor before the full earthquake. Yeah it is. It is in the rule book and so yeah it is. It is interesting and will be interesting to see how this gets applied going forward mostly. I appreciated that when this story was initially tweeted out by judy cooper baseball america. He he tweeted a grab from the rulebook. And that's how i learned the 2021 rulebook is finally online. it's day for you. When you read the books star finished the twenty nineteen one was up there for a really long time. And they never updated it with twenty twenty and i couldn't give them a pass because busy year. And you know what was going on But then then the calendar switched to twenty one and a new rule book was agreed to and took really on time but notes here and so it's like really big day for me but yeah terrible for these for these guys. I wonder if you started at those lower levels whether that would then percolate upward eventually like if if it were like the pitch clock or or the zombie runner unfortunately if it were one of these things that were sort of tested and enforced in the minors i would that be a way to radic eight it without having the uncomfortable confrontation of doing it in the major leagues spotlight because eventually at that would be sort of similar to what we talked about the other day which is what if you just legal as that for players who are already doing it right and then you just phased it out over time that would be essentially what. This is so like bennett in the minors. And then hope that no one gets in the habit of using the foreign substances and then they graduate to the big level and maybe you're not enforcing it a strictly anymore. But they just won't be accustomed to using it or maybe they would just start using it then since then it would matter even more in the incentive would still be there. Yeah i i mean. I think that we're about to see a pretty dramatic shift if this is gonna be taken seriously at the big league level. I think you're gonna see a lot of guys who really gonna figure out. Do different thing and so i think this might be a situation where the the strict enforcement at the major league level actually is what ends up being a chilling effect. The part that i'm really curious to see is what effect it has on amateur players like because if you watch a college game you see the same set of things i imagine that the substances they have access to you or perhaps different but you know you still see guys going to their hat and under their belts and must around in the glove and so i imagine that part of that is due to the fact that they understand there will not be for the ones who have big league. Aspirations that there will not be A serious culture of enforcement around foreign substances and so they want to have as much spin as they can on their fastball. Or naw other pitches for that matter. And so i wanna see what the knock on effects are outside of affiliated ball too. Because you know you can't it would be a real shame. Nephew got drafted with one thing. And then they're like oh he can't do that thing again. Yes and the last thing. I wanted to mention is that mike. Marshall passed away on monday at age. Seventy eight the former pitcher of the sixties and seventies and early eighties. He pitched for fourteen years and he had quite a career. Of course most famously won the cy young award in nineteen seventy four. But had i think a four top five finishes five top ten finishes in the cy young award race and just really one of the best baseball reference pages. Because your mind boggles when you look at some of the seasons that he had in the way that he was used in those years with the expos in dodgers and other teams and he was also very much a trailblazer when it came to biomechanical analysis and trying to prevent injuries and optimized performance and. Jeff passan has a piece up at espn about that. Now which i will link to but that was something. I heard all the time talking to for the mvp machine. Who cited mike marshall as an influence the way that he was thinking of these things in a really counterintuitive and kind of i kind of classic way. And you know maybe some of his claims were were a bit exaggerated and certainly. He was a prickly personality and wasn't always the the most persuasive of it came to getting people on board with his techniques but in the use of slow motion video and talking about what we now know is shifted wake and spin axis of these things. He was really ahead of his time so he kind of gave rise. I think to a lot of the way that pitching development works now but on the other hand the way that he pitched is not at all in evidence in today's came and we got a question about that from lewis ner. Shane who said the baseball world learned about the passing of mike marshall. Today this was earlier this week. Someone i have quite the spot for because of his unicorn like usage marshalls used to me resembles a reverse starter. You would be asked to work anywhere from one to six innings and broke records for pitcher appearances games finished and more and even won the cy young award in nineteen seventy four. My question is why do you think this. Form of pitcher usage has never really caught on the as a potential avenue for new developments in pitching usage with the rise of the opener as a strategy and with joe musgrove pitching five innings in relief to finish the game against the astros sunday. I can't help but feel it's odd that this type of usage hasn't at least been experimented with by more teams over recent years any thoughts on this and really i mean it looks like not just another era but some sort of alien world or something when you look at his line from nineteen seventy four hundred. Six games pitched eighty three games finished. Twenty one saves two hundred eight and a third innings pitched. It's just wild that he was used all the time like that and racked up that kind of workload and that was in the days. When you had starters go in two hundred and fifty three hundred innings you will work horses but he was used for not quite as many innings. But just all the time i mean. Most of the team's games he was being used. And we don't see anything like that. Now where the innings limits and the pitch counts are stricter than ever but also teams are stricter. Never when it comes to like using pitchers on back to back. Days are back to back to back days. So do you think this could ever come back into vogue. Might we ever see another martial style. Pitcher is there anything teams could learn from that model. Oh the answer to that question me neither. I mean we haven't seen it so probably not like the the whole trend over time has been less and less usage and fewer appearances so it it would take a real sea change but if you could have someone who capitulated that would be immensely valuable to you especially in this era. It's just. I don't know who has the arm to do it or could train to do it. And it's just so out of step with the times. And i i imagine that the real answer to that question like if we had a magic wand that could reveal to us the players for whom doing this is feasible from an injury prevention perspective. Where you don't have to be as concerned about wear and tear for whatever reason i imagine that teams would be like And then they would and then they would elect to have some of those guys because those are valuable guys especially as were and an era where it seems like. We are very likely to have limitations. On how many pitchers you can have on the roster right and so you wanna have guys who can who can really do The proposed here. But we don't have that. And so. I think that what what will likely happen is that you continue to see Pitcher usage dip or at least plateau. Because you don't if you're wrong right if you don't have the magic wand and you are overtaxing a guy the risks you and to the player is potentially catastrophic right. it's a very might be career altering and and the downside to not doing that is just that he doesn't go quite as long. And so i think that that risk reward calculus is always going to lend itself toward throwing fewer pitches rather than more. And you're gonna have guys who sort of volunteer to throw more than that and there are you know. Like if you're a guy who can go two hundred innings and you can accumulate a bunch of stats. That's valuable not only to the team but to potentially right. It might make you well compensated in free agency and it might boost numbers get you paid in arbitration. But i think that not just for those reasons but to to really try to manage load for guys and keep them as healthy as possible that you're just gonna see teams really reticent to do that and even the guys who volunteer bauer wanted to throw every day not every day but he wanted to throw really often anyone to throw a lot and i think that the the number of players who are going to be keen to sort of volunteer for that kind of a workload is going to be limited because they're also concerned about the health of their arms and probably wanting to pitch enough to be valuable and to stay a starter and to be compensated like one but are gonna be mindful about sort of -taining their health so that they can go as many seasons as possible and so. I think those things are likely to counterbalance it. Some young think. Russell carson has written about the potential for some sort of hybrid role where it's kind of in the middle. It's not the one in guy and maybe it's not exactly a long man. But maybe you'd like a three inning reliever or something and we kind of don't even have a term for that that is in common usage because it so rare now and as you see the lines blur between starters and relievers and you know you look at like the rays pitching staff and it's like what is. This is an opener. This of bulk guys. Just something in the middle. i dunno. It's just all kind of a big jumble of guys who go three or four innings or or whatever. So i guess that kind of in a way brings you closer to the marshall model. But also not really. Because they're still working pretty sparingly. So i think you would need either advance in injury prevention. Which mike marshall probably would have said. Hey paul my plan and no one will ever get hurt again. Or you'd need some real restriction on pitcher usage either in game or over the course of a season or on the roster at any one time than that would maybe make teams a little more willing to try it. But yeah you said you. Kind of like err on the side of safety and protecting pitchers which is good. And maybe we've taken it too far but you don't want to ruin anyone's career although you also don't want to impair anyone's performance by having them pitch a lot less than they're physically capable of pitching so it's a tough balancing and don't think we're anywhere close to figuring out exactly what the ideal balance is so that's gonna keep evolving but doesn't seem like we're any closer to swinging back toward the marshall model. Unfortunately as fun as that would be yeah. I think that's right. And i'd rather us be careful and have guys careers. Extend as long as they can have them. Avoid major surgery or injury setback because pitches bad for you anyway no matter how careful you are and and what kind of load management you do. There's always risk because it's just an incredibly taxing activity and so we don't need to help out. I was about to say that in a weird way like we don't need to help out the ucla. It's like no. We really do need to help them out. We don't need to get right. We don't need to be anymore. Cavalier with them. Not the people who aren't being cavalier. But you know they're they're prone to breakage all on their own they don't need any assistance in that regard. So great exactly yeah. There's a new article every day. About how injury rates are up. Pitcher injury rates are not up relative to last year but last year was way up relative to previous years of hitter. Injuries are up compared to previous years. So so whatever. Yeah whatever's happening now is also not the solution. That's not working either. It's like baseball's really hard and you have to be really athletic to play it. I know and yet it seems like there should be fewer interest. You mean. I know that pitchers are throwing harder than ever and hitters are bigger and stronger and swinging harder than ever and everything. But it's not a contact sport and it seems like one of the virtues of baseball. Should be hopefully that. There's less risk of the sort of thing Obviously there's less risk of like you know catastrophic head injuries in that sort of thing but you'd rather have a hamstring strain or something than something that's going to threaten a career or for quality of life but still like it would be nice if people make fun of baseball players for just sorta standing around all the time and there is a lot of standing around that happens. We must admit that and so it would be nice if that translated to like guys not getting hurt so that the best players were on the field. Time doesn't seem to be happening either. Even though teams are devoting all these resources to high performance and optimizing training and nutrition. And all of that. But that's a larger conversation so we hope that everyone stays safe and healthy and we will miss make marshall and hope that there will be another marshall espa pitcher some day and now he will take a quick break with back with ethan singer. Talk about assessing tom right. And we are back now and joined by the founder and proprietor of the empire. Scorecards twitter at scorecards. And i'm scorecards dot com ethan singer. Hello ethan how are you. I'm doing well. How are you good and happy to have you. So i wanna ask you about the origin story of how you got into umpire now assists and what made you wanna start the account which has gotten quite popular and you started the scorecards twitter account just last august. And you're already well over eighty thousand dollars and climbing pretty rapidly. And i've concocted an origin story for this in my head where you were victimized by an empire in little league in a pivotal moment and you took a pitch that was outside the strike zone and was called a strike and you were the goat. And you've had it out for empires for years and so you've dedicated yourself to learning the coding skills necessary to bring umpire analysis to the masses. So that you could expose their fallibility but the real story. I imagined is a little less sinister than the supervillain origin story. So how did you get inspired to do this. Work sure. well. I certainly wish. I had an origin story nearly as interesting as something like that But unfortunately it is significantly more lame. As started a couple of years ago over the summer. I was sort of. I read this article by a professor at boston university. Who had written about the volume of missed calls in major league baseball and it just randomly. I guess came across my feet or something. Like that. And i was pretty interested. I mean every baseball fans loves to complain about umpires every chance they get so. I was among that crowd but one piece of the puzzle that i thought was missing was We don't only care about how often these calls happen but we also care about how much they affect the players the pitchers etc. So that's when i get that. That could be considered like the very beginning. But then last summer i sort of had this idea where while maybe i can look at this at a game by game level and i sort of built at this built this program which gets all the data for the games and what's it up into all the different games and generates these graphics and then you know for a while. I was making graphics by hand posting them on read it but they were really really ugly and we're not getting really any traction so i figured twitter might be the way to go. So i added. Some twitter implementations might programs and then here we are today. I mean for a while i was toasting there with about five or six likes per tweet a dan the yankees had a sort of like big game in the playoffs and there are a couple of other big ones and then just took off from there. I'm curious we can get into some of the differences here. What how would you distinguish what you're doing from some of the prioritization. That we've seen of this because i think there have been sort of umpire butts in the past that have tried to grade out empire performances and some of those have gotten close but they've been wanting and i'm curious both sort of how familiar you are with those whether they had any role to play in. How you thought about differentiating. You're on model. Which a logic for being both more sophisticated unseemingly much more accurate so curious how that process came to came to be for you. Sure so i mean. There's definitely a lot of things that i looked at online before. Starting i'm not necessarily sure. I remember the specific accounts. But just i guess the the sorts of things that i kept in mind while i was starting was you know. I don't want to overly criticize the umpires. Which i know a lot of counts of done focusing specifically on you know the most important missed calls the farthest miscall stuff like that. I wanted to be as objective as possible and just focus on performance as a whole including when your performances is really good. And i'm sure there's other things i thought about i. I really thought one of the most important things is the visual aspect of it and making it s statically pleasing as possible. I'm not quite there yet. It's still a bit cluttered There's a lot of information but at least you know. There are some nice looking graphics in some fun colors on there. So i think those were some of the big. Inspirations that i tried to hit rate on like versus some prior versions that i had seen just making it look nicer making sure to be as objective and know as well as possible. Yeah and can you talk a little bit about the difficulty of assessing accuracy. Because we know it's difficult to call pitches correctly on tires are very good at their jobs. It's just an impossible job to do perfectly so that part is obviously i mean you can tell why it would be tough to you. Know a pitch that is moving at ninety something miles per hour and moving and you know your view is obscured. And how do you tell whether it's an inch off the plate or not. Obviously that tired but people might think well it's probably relatively simple to quantify. After the fact how accurate an empire was but that turns out to be pretty complicated too because there is uncertainty about where the ball was in. There's also uncertainty about where the strike zone. So can you explain why that's the case. Yeah sure so. There's a there's a ton of uncertainty for sure. If i probably the the most obvious concern is that the true strike zone as determined by the rules is three dimensions. It has a component that spans like from the front of the plate to the back of the plane. Whereas if you use data you're looking at a to you. Representation of the strike zone as the ball crosses the plate. So that's sort of the first major issue in determining whether a a pitches a ball or a strike and then some other ones are as you mentioned. The top in the bottom of the strike zone are not preset in the rules. Like the left and right side of the strike zone are there determined specifically by the batter's stance which is hard to quantify to the. I mean it's very hard to get a precise you know where exactly we should draw this line. And then from there you know. Once the ball is thrown there is some variability in terms of what the data will say about where the the pitch was so not only do we not know where strikes on was. We also don't know at least to an incredible amount of precision where the ball actually was and so for a while. I was looking at these measurements as if they were exactly right and that they had no tolerance and i got a little bit of criticism for that in my earlier days so now i sort of in a little bit of randomness into the at least into the location of the ball but it certainly i would still today not say that it's entirely accurate at least from my perspective. There is no sort of perfect way to know whether this pitches baller a strike. What i'm doing now is sort of You know a best. Guess type situation where. I'm just trying to present this data as transparently as possible without sanyo. I know that this was a ball. I know that this was a strike. So yeah i i guess. That's those are the major the major difficulties in determining whether it's a baller strike on you don't just concern yourself with. The accuracy are also interested in the consistency of the empire from team to team. And i know that in earlier iterations of this project you. You actually didn't have a consistency score but now you do was the process like there and what were some of the challenges. You faced in trying to arrive at something. That was not only accurate when it comes to consistency which might be confusing given that you're also concerned with accuracy but also easy to translate and explain to someone looking at the graphics the produce. That's a great question so in last season in this season so this offseason a consistency metric was by far the thing that was on requested the most by people online Because i mean i. It's somewhat intuitive if a umpire is calling every pitch outside of the box at a certain location a strike than you know maybe it's not exactly accurate but the batter can know it will be called the strike so in that sense. Consistency may be more important than accuracy. At least in certain cases not all the time but certainly in some cases so that was sort of the the inspiration and then in terms of difficulties that the biggest difficulty like you like you said comes in sort of taking a complicated really a math question and turning it into. How do i communicate this in terms of just in a single game. How consistent is this umpire so What what it essentially is if you drew a box around every pitch that was called the strike and then you took all of the balls that were called are all the pitches that were called balls. How many of them landed inside that strike. Auks that you had already drawn. Now that's an oversimplification. The strike box is not actually a box. It's very oddly shaped polygon and there some other considerations too but that's essentially the way it works and i think it's a sort of it's a good baseline it's pretty easy to explain to people. I think it intuitive sense. You know you don't want something that's called the ball to have also been called a strike in the same game. Obviously that would be a somewhat inconsistent. There's obviously there are better things Especially on a season. Like if you had a whole season's worth of data. There are more accurate things. You can do in terms of consistency which i hopefully will be adding to the site at some point but in terms of just a single game this consistency metric is is. I think what i'm gonna stick with. You talked about the difficulty of determining the top and bottom of the zone and you're sort of relying on mlp's stringers essentially right who are sort of setting that maybe before every plate appearance or or pitch and sometimes they're errors in that data which would unavoidably be reflected in yours. Just because that's the source. And i know there are a few different methods. People have used to try to get around that you know. Maybe you could just use like the the pitchers that actually have gotten called strikes against those hitters over a period of time to sort of indirectly you know see where their zone top or bottom is or or you could just use their height and model it from there. Although then of course you're relying on listed heights which are also accurate. So i guess there's no perfect method but i know up. He does some post processing of these things kind of clean things up after the fact sometimes. So how do you make use of that or sometimes as you note on your site things will change a little bit between when you have twitter graphic up and then when the numbers are reflected on your site like i think we talked about the john lipka game on the podcast eight weeks ago. That had a really high percentage. Maybe one missed. Call on the twitter graphic but i think his his max. Accuracy is lower now on the site. So how does that data change over time. And i guess what's the magnitude of the difference. Typically yeah so typically. It's not a large magnitude. We're talking on one or two changes in terms of whether it's a baller strike as sort of the maximum. And i at least from what i've seen. Most games are not changes. It really comes down to you. Know the specific specific types of hitches in specific incorrect calls. That can change. Like if there's one that's right on the top or the bottom of zone those are ones that can typically change but ones that are well outside of the zone where incorrect in terms of the horizontal location those more often than not do not change With the post processing so that that's that's a positive it would not be would be pretty bad if like every game after they did some post processing all the results change but yeah this sort of an unavoidable problem. I mean it's not exactly unavoidable but my goal is to sort of bridge somewhat of a gap between the super analytical and technical results with a sort of clean easy to read comes out right after the game or at least the morning after the game. you know in this format that fans can understand and so you know sort. A part of that is that. I don't wanna wait two days after a game has ended for me to post the them so unfortunately that means that sometimes it will come out. You know on the on the twitter in morning and then you know if i'd waited another day out get a different result so this specifically impacted me recently. When i was uploading data to the site. And i wasn't using data from today. I was using data from months ago. Because i had to upload all that the and that did i had been post processed whereas the data that i'm getting now is not being post process everyday that i upload it. There's a little bit of an inconsistency there which is not ideal. But hopefully i will figure out some way to get around that in the future. We'll we'll see and do you have any designs on being able to show people sort of year over year changes in an empire profile. Because i imagine that part of what's interesting to folks here is now. We have a couple of names that for better or worse are well known to us in the umpiring community and i think that there is a sense that umpires or sort of bad forever or good forever and i'm curious if we Or if you have plans to be able to show sort of your over your trans- because i know i'd be interested to see if there are areas where maybe an empire was struggling in particular in one season and perhaps has gotten better or worse on that score in subsidized season right. Yes so the answer. Your question is yes. Hopefully at some point in the near future there will be. you'll be let's see more than just the seasons. Where data but i was. You know i was trying to get it out by the day that i got it out by so unfortunately i was not able to add to much more but yeah that will be coming in the future multiple seasons worth. You're talking to someone who runs a site. Where as soon as we released a new feature someone is asking. But what about this thing so you have my status already. Gotten quite a few. You should add umpire bios. You should add a lot of things. But hopefully i'll get around to them at some point. Yeah so i wonder how you think about how the content that you were putting out will be used and received an applied. You are just putting the information out there for people to do with as they will. But i think we all know that people get angry at empires and so by kind of arming them with the information here. I suppose you are providing ammunition you know if someone wants to be aggrieved about how an empire performed in a certain game or sherby bitter about it or angry at that umpire part data. Sure so and you know. Sometimes their cases were fire has a great game and everyone shares that tweeden says what a great job. But i think that is probably outnumbered quite a bit by know the bad games and people being upset about that so again like you know. You're just presenting the information. And i guess it's kind of out of your hands. What happens after that. But i wonder what level of i don't know responsibility. You think you have to kind of Either shape that discourse in some way or whether you had any misgivings about putting this information out there because of that reception yeah. it's a. It is a question. I think about a lot. The first thing i'll say is that i'm you. You probably would think that the the the games with low accuracy outnumber are at least in terms of popularity outnumber game with high accuracy. But more often than not that is actually not the case. The ones that do the best are the ones where there is high accuracy. I'm looking at the homepage. The site right now which shows out of the last week of tweets. The three that have the most likes and to our Games with really high accuracy in and the third is a game with low accuracy. It's interesting it's a it's a it's definitely obviously an interesting. There's a both on. Both are are widely popular But in terms of your question about you know how. I'm impacting the the umpire analysis online. Seen i certainly. I have lots of thoughts about it. One thing that i will say. Is that You know in in games where it's really egregious and my umpire score would be in the mid eighties or something along those lines. The fans are already. You know there's there's compilations of all the pictures that have been missed that are being widely shared stuff like that. It's not you know. I'm not introducing this new piece of evidence where everyone was saying. Oh this umpire was great. Before i thought they were great but now i realized there actually bad and let's talk about it on twitter. It's usually me adding to the to the i'm adding flame to the fire. I'm not maybe. I'm not exactly starting to fire. Percents sticks together. Yeah exactly whereas on the other hand when my post about a game that was hired really well more often than not. There was no discourse on the game at all funding happens. Yeah exactly i mean. Nobody's talking about it and then all of a sudden you know these. Sometimes i mean the tweet that has the most likes on my account. Is the lipka game by far. Where at initially. I said he had missed a one call by far. That is the most likes. I think it's around two and a half times any other tweet on any other a scorecard out. And there's not a lot of discourse prior to when the tweets come out so it's certainly an interesting balance in between trying to be as accurate as i can and then trying to effect discourse in a way that somewhat objective and not trying to you too much the iras are terrible. Ciders you too much to the you know. Maybe we should be nicer side. The sorta trying to be as objective as possible. Not just let fans go from there right. Yeah and i think for what it's worth. I believe just looking at the numbers on your site and talking to some people at baseball prospectus about their model which is not public but is maybe even more sophisticated and takes into account various factors. I believe that yours is actually a little more lenient. On the whole and his maybe a couple percentage points higher in terms of the average accuracy rate. So right you're putting out there. I guess you know even though it. It will point that when umpire incorrect. I guess compared to certain models maybe it is making them right even better than they are if anything but there there is no perfect model as we're saying and also as you're saying this information is pretty pervasive already and and people are going to be mad at umpires regardless and also i think a the information is free. I mean it's not a secret. It's not something that leaked out there for anyone to do with what they will and also it's on our screens right. All these broadcasts have kaysone. You're on a pitch to pitch basis at game day and various other tools and those are in many cases less accurate most likely You know compared to what you're doing so if anything maybe it's kind of a corrective to that and and i wondered whether you could talk at all about those screen since that is the most prevalent way probably that we interact with this data and umpire valuation from the broadcast. They're not tabulating. The number of miss calls you're seeing whether that dot is inside or outside the strike zone but in many cases that is not really reflecting reality. Yeah i mean it's very analogous to the work that i do in the sense that you know i tweet it in the morning and then in the afternoon might have might not be accurate by. Then you know we're only talking to maybe an inch of difference but it just someone important but they are trying to do a very similar thing to me which is just provide this information so that a fan can experience it as they're watching and so obviously like you said. They have some difficulty in updating the height in the At the top and the bottom of the strike zone on invite ditch basis. They can't exactly do that. You know if the camera's shaking or if the cameras off by little bit things like that will cause problems in the in the broadcasting system. But i i mean obviously still thinks a really valuable tool to watch during the game and yeah obviously i mean you would wish that it was said the exact location of the pitch every time so that you wouldn't have arm you know. People mistakenly think that they have been wronged or that. Their team had been wronged. But i think that is somewhat the price we pay for. Everybody wanted you know. I mean we asked for hey zones on tv. It's they're they're only there. Maybe but it's certainly a it was a hope of mine. I know the local broadcaster that i watch for awhile did not have it and i was very thankful when they added it. Yeah so it's obviously a demand for what you do so right exactly right. I'm curious as you've seen so many of these propagate over over the years that you've been running the account are there particular areas of the strike zone that you identify problem areas across the board even for umpires who tend to be more accurate on average than some of their colleagues honestly. I wish i had a good answer to that. But i do. Not most of my work has been focused on a game by game basis. And i haven't done too much over the season for each specific umpire. I guess research. But i do know that like in terms of the very rudimentary research done specific portions of the strike zone at least on a on a year to year level can be. I can have some amount of variance in in how many incorrect calls there are there. Depending on like the batter handedness for example. I think if i'm remembering correctly inside left handed batters i think but i don't wanna don't quote me on this. I'm not exactly but i do know that There are specific portions of the strike zone. That will have that will be more often called incorrectly than others. I promise i will stop asking you for new features. Well i will ask you about a future that you already have. Which is the team breakdown on a seaside. Where you sort of sum up the the calls that have gone for or against the team and rider fighter run value there. Have you found that to be a popular feature. Frode fans who feel like they're team has been jobs by umpires and is that every fan base. That feels that way because it probably probably. Aren't that many fan bases thinking boy the umpires. 'cause really gone our way to season because i think just the cognitive bias us that we have. You tend to remember the things that go against you more readily than the things that go your way. Sure it's an interesting point so first of all yes. It is a probably the most the most i guess requested feature just when it was released. It was one of the things that was asked about the most People were tweeting specific teams especially white sox fans who had been on. I think there was a sort of an understanding that early in the year. I'm some umpires. Had not been very nice to them. Up but in terms of you know does every fan base habit complaint. It's this is an interesting one because for example. If you look at the if you look at the graph on the on site which is essentially just a scattered of however team has been treated. You might look at it and say well you know there are these teams in the upper right quadrant. Who have been treated very nicely by batter or to the have treated their batteries very nicely and their pitchers very nicely but it is a bit misleading will know be mean to my own. Graph here is a bit misleading. Because it's the impact of versus the average not just the impact overall. So you'll notice that if you go to the you know just teams page and look at how every team has been treated overall almost every team everyone except for the marlins every team's batters has lost runs over the season. It's not like zero is the middle and some teams or above zero. some teams or below zero. Every team has lost runs because of missed calls and the reason that is. Because you know if you say you know an empire is equally likely to call a ball strike in strike a ball. Batters are much more likely to take balls than they are to take strikes so over the season you'd expect these incorrect calls to overall hurt batters instead of health batters even though sometimes they do help batters overall you see that over a year. Almost all of the teams. I mean. we're only in. Were jim now. And at this point there's only one team whose been benefited by empires and it's five point. Five six runs over the year. And that's the marlins everybody else's negative all the way down to the dodgers who have lost almost sixteen runs on so you know these teams might not be the fan bases might not be able to say. Oh well. they've her our team more than the other team. But pretty much. Every fan base is able to say that miss calls over the your have hurt our team and we would have scored more runs without them. I guess a related question in here. I'm going to ask you to speculate. Or at least use your experience of the replies to your twitter account which you know the accuracy of that in terms of describing real phenomena supposes in question but i'm curious if people seem to be more agitated in response to bad calls hurting their batter's or their pitchers is there one that seems to strike people as a grave injustice than the other. Because i think that. If you're in the ballpark fans just yell at umpires. serve regardless of how good job is and They seem to want good calls to go their way when their pitchers on the mound and also when they are at the plate. And that's fine because being a fan is sort of an exercise and being at least a little bit irrational. But i'm curious what you have seen. People were sponsor of the most vigorously to in terms of calls that have gone against their team. If it tends to be stronger on one side of the ball the other right. If i had to speculate i would definitely say that. It was caused that impacts the batter. I think it's sort of a more. I don i definitely see more of a reaction. For example there was a yankees game just today and i was getting a lot of mentions for and all of nearly probably ninety. Five percent of the mentions are looking at this is what ryan. Your rose hitches were and they were called. They were called strikes. Not you know. This is what. Eric kohl's hitches were and they were not held strikes. I think most of the time people care about a how their own batteries have been treated because it feels like maybe i don't. I'm not exactly sure why but to me. It's sort of like well. It's my team's turn now and this is how we've been affected. I'm for some reason. I'm not sure. Exactly why. But i mean even in situations that are really comparable like the same bases. Loaded two outs three to pitch. On both sides you'll see more comments At least from like one team's perspective on the event where their team was batting. Not on one. Word seamless pitching even if both of them went against The team they favor and i wanted to clarify a bout how to judge accuracy is that i guess they're multiple ways. You can do that in that. You can try to figure out west this pitch in the rulebook strike zone at some point or you could look at the zone as it is actually called and say. Here's the typical probability that pitch in this location. We'll be a strike and then you can sort of measure umpires just against the zone as it is in reality as opposed to as it is in the graphic or in the rulebook itself. And if you were doing the letter then you probably wouldn't want to be one hundred percent accurate. Because there are certain pitches that technically would probably be strikes and if you were using a robo zone it would say that was a strike but in practice umpires have not been calling that pitch a strike hitters have not expected for that to be called a strike against them. We saw this issue with the atlantic league testing the track manzoni and thinking that was a strike. And you know it's Maybe a curve ball that just kinda clips the front bottom edge of the zone and then it sinks so low that by the time the catcher it it doesn't look like it possibly could have been a strike but it is technically so. I guess you could do it. Multiple ways and merit to doing it one way or the other because i think bp has done it may be both ways but but also in that way of looking at the typical probability and then not necessarily doing a binary right or wrong but kind of incremental probabilities sort of up if this is a ten percent strike in most situations and the guy called a ball. Then maybe you assess just part of a an incorrect call instead of full wreck. Call so yeah. Have you thought about doing it in that way. Is it just too complicated or too hard to explain. No it's it's. It's definitely an interesting question terms of my preference. I think i'm of the type of fan that if i had to choose i would rather address the call be correct every time no matter how crazy it might seem that it is a strike Hits the zone and falls out by the time it leaves zone. You say all. Wow you know. There's there's no way that was the strike. I think that if it is a strike if it was a strike it should be called strike. So i'm sure that's part of the mind like bias that has gone into the creation of my system But in terms of why don't do it incrementally. And i just looked at every call and say was this. Accurate was not accurate and then wait each call by the same amount. No matter how close it was. I think it's it's one is certainly a question of difficulty on the other is just a question of. How can i relay this evidence backout to fans next morning and so if i use this sort of incremental approach i think it's a it's definitely more confusing In terms of you know what the value of each missed call was. How do we come up with these values whereas doing it sort of just like was this right. Was it wrong. What percent of the time were you right is a is a much simpler. That community just related to that. I think one of the things that i have talked a lot about on the podcast as we anticipate the arrival of the robo zone is process of education. That's going to need to go on with hitter. Certainly and i guess pitcher suba with fans more generally about what the what the zone is going to look like and sort of retraining them to have you know now that you always again have to react. Rationally is a fan to the call on the field but to sort of retrain their intuitive sense of was that a ball or a strike and was paul correctly. And you're thinking about this allow right how you present that information in a way that stay justifiable and so i'm curious what you maybe think we could all be doing now to help fans understand what the zone might look like When we do get rome speakers. I continue to say like if if you think people are grumpy. Now just 'cause it's it's gonna be pretty different. In in some instances from what they're used to and i think that that might take some time to acclimate ourselves to you. It will definitely be a change. I think it'll be similar to other changes that have come in other sports in the you know in professional soccer a lot of leagues are adding more stringent technology. Adjacent offsides rules where they draw. These really specific lines in there is pretty harsh reactions. That sports leagues all over. The world are implemented new technology like pretty much every season to increase their increase their performance. So i think you're right. There will definitely have to be some amount of like you said education about a how fan should react in what they will know as the ball and as a strike But i think ultimately you if if it's well defined and it's transparent they tell us how you know exactly. It's measured where the strike zone is the top the bottom specifically than personally. I would be much happier. I think just knowing that of all was a a pitch was a ball or hit a strike to know exactly what it was. I think would stop keeping me up at night versus you know what i know. Now which is what was correct wasn't incorrect. There's it's much more big now so regardless of whether I think just being able to be certain in the in the call would would make a lot of hands pretty pretty. And we're you a robo. Ups advocate before. You started this project. And if so. Are you still as staunch an advocate. Now that you have built a brand that depends on fallible flawed human. Yeah it's it's interesting. I was definitely so. I've always been pro robo just because you know. I'm of the opinion that if there is a way to improve accuracy we should do it You know nothing more. I don't have a vendetta against him. Hires or anything like that. I think that this is a blind spot in the game that you know if there were trying to increase the amount of runs that are scored every year this is decreasing runs and And there's if we have the technology to do it which made but we don't at the moment but if we did and we should implement it but certainly now having done this for a while. I think i've sort of changed my opinion. I'm still definitely program. But i'm less You might call it. Anti umpire was before. I think i came into it not necessarily knowing how difficult the job of of being umpire really is. I mean my work is hard enough already. And i'm just telling you like if this number was greater than this number or this number was listening s number but do it in real time. I mean it's it's an incredibly difficult job so you know. My opinion is not that a well umpires terrible. Let's just throw the robots. My opinion is that umpires might not be doing you know. They're not performing as well as you would expect like a computer to do. But they're still performing really well so we shouldn't bash them. They're they're they're trying their best. But at the same time you know this is a sport and there are rules in the sport that are well defined within the rule book and yet somehow they're just like not followed a lot in the game of baseball which is really interesting. There are a lot of analogous things in other sports like. If you wash football game it would not be common to see them. You know call a touchdown. When it's not a touchdown like you know fifteen or twenty percent of the time in a game. That would be sort of absurd in dusseldorf harry the out on that is that is just a a restaurant. Chain bought with yeah. I know it's interesting. I have gotten a lot of comments about like. Will you be making this hockey. Will you be making this for. Nc the basketball stuff like that Baseball it really lends itself to this sort of analysis whereas other sports do not necessarily make it so easy. Yeah there many more opportunities to mess up for a there. Yeah pretty pretty consequential and yeah. I wondered whether having accounts like yours. Out in the public. Sphere sort of increases support for robo ump's which i think is pretty robust as it is but again as we were saying. It's not news to anyone that umpires make mistakes. But i do wonder why they're having this hard. Data has really confirmed that way of thinking and meghan. I have some reservations about that. As we've discussed on the show not so much about the technology which might not be a hundred perfect but would probably be more accurate and consistent that humans but not only are. We not anti umpire in the sense that we recognize the job is but we're pro catcher in catching in joy to craft of cash and framing. And i also have some concerns about what will happen if the strike zone is the same on every pitch which sounds like a positive. It sounds like it should be the same on every count but i do think that there may be some advantages to having it trink and expand as the count changes to essentially give an advantage to whichever party is behind in the count and so i do kind of wonder given that hitters are already sorta screwed if they're down to were one to in this day and age if the strike zone is the same size on oh to as it is on any other count- than the job gets even harder whereas now you know you might get a little leeway there the zone shrinks a little bit. You could take that borderline pitch whereas wouldn't be able to then so i think that keeps plate appearances more competitive more entertaining may be so will be curious to see how that works out. But the reason why i wondered about how this changes public support is that i was curious about whether you have heard from the league at all about your efforts here because i know going back years when pitch affects data i became available and people were doing umpire analysis. Mlb was pretty touchy about rat back then and i think they felt like hey were giving you this free data of they did that by accident initially. But you know we're giving you this data and you're using it to make us look bad or make umpires better. Make the sport look bad. And so you know used to be umpire cards on brooks baseball. And i believe that. Mlb asked or ordered that those be taken down in. So maybe that's why there was an opportunity for you here That there weren't widely available leaderboard. You're you're not gonna find the sun baseball savant rate. But i wonder whether that's changed a because i think the information is more accessible. There's this public stats. Api now so it would be hard to restrict how people use that information. I think whereas in the past there would be individual feeds. That would be sent to certain sites and in theory could be cut off but also because i'm obese seems to be pro robot on these days so not that they want to embarrass the pairs or make people doubt the which of the games especially ambling going on and everything but i wonder whether they think well you know if it convinces people that we need robo ups then. Maybe it's nice to have it out there. So have you heard in either direction. Anything any push back any praise anything while the short answer is no. I haven't heard anything from the mlb. Specifically i have heard some stuff from ears just in general online and stuff. You know who had some reservations about the way. I did stuff in her winston. Emily the the ones who You know i convinced me that it was gonna be a good idea to add some level of pomerance into my accuracy. Ratings was actually a group of fire. So it's not like it's been all sorts of animosity between me. I'm online and certainly not between me and the mlb at least as of now crossing my fingers. As i say that i have not gotten any cease and desist orders as of yet and i had the same question about whether this is opened up any other opportunities you i i wonder whether a project of this nature has brought you to teams attention or whether that is something that you want to pursue. Because i see on your website. You've done a lot of database projects and some of them have nothing to do with baseball or sports. So is this a direction you wanna keep going in or have you of been pulled in the section because response it's probably a little bit of both honestly There certainly has been. I mean you know it's a it's a big project. Then there is some amount of luck in it that it took off but you know a lot of work and so i'm very thankful that seemingly some people have Some people have noticed. But yeah like like you said i mean. There's still a lot of other types of research that i liked doing Yeah like thank you for pointing the website you can you can check that out And yeah so i'm not exactly sure still not like a. I don't have to decide at this moment so yeah i'm definitely still looking into some different things that i can do. Yeah for people who. Who don't know your your back story can you. I mean you're still in school right. You're studying can you kind of explain what you're studying and what skills you've picked up. That have been helpful if people want to do the sort of thing themselves or you know figure out what skills would be useful to create this kind of project. What led you down this path. Sure i'd love to so. I'm currently a sophomore and i study statistics in computer science and There are you know. There's a lot of things that i think are sort of Important on a project like this one is definitely just finding something that you're super interested in. That makes everything easier. The work becomes a lot less tedious. It's much easier to work for long periods of time and work on many things that once. If you actually enjoy the work that you're doing so try to find a product that you find interesting and then you know. I didn't really know a ton about you know programming. Api's before i got started in this project so you know if you're trying to start a project definitely don't consider the fact that you don't know everything about what you're about to embark on as a reason not to so yeah. That's definitely some advice. That i have and then i guess the other advice that i have is i. Don't i mean this is sort of like a great case. Study of just put something out into the world and then maybe people will enjoy it and then maybe you will benefit on that so you know just like kinda. Go forward i guess. That's kind of the the philosophy that i had while doing this evidently worked out somewhat somewhat. Well well assuming that you stick with the empire suffer a little while what are some site features that you have planned. I've stopped. I'm not asking you for a specific thing. I'm giving you an opportunity to tell us what you have planned coming up so people stop asking you that is that is a great question. So the big one. The big one is whether there are few big ones. I should say One is like more long term data from years past And so part of that will be over time analysis that you'll be to do another one is. This is sort of more of a technical thing on my side but like every morning i still wake up in press the run button which i kind of would not like to do in the future. It's much better than what it was before. Which was typing in. All of this data onto like a template that i'd built But now you know it's much easier. I discussed this little green play button and it goes for me but it's still kind of a pain because you know. Sometimes i forget that i feel bad and then i get all these tweets aware of the scorecards so instead i would probably like to automate that at some point And you know. There's just some other stuff i think. Really just the long term one and another like i. I sort of Lightly mentioned earlier a season long consistency metric for umpires because the the metric that i use right now is it's fine but there's definitely ways to improve it on but only ones that work at least from what i've thought of on a season as a whole instead of on a game by game basis so adding to the umpires page. Maybe but for the moment you know summer. So i think i'm just gonna relax inn keep working and we'll see what happens. Yeah well congrats on reception and on launching the site and your success in in finding an audience and hopefully the empires don't feel too bad about it. I know that You know some people. Feel sorry for empires and i kind of do too. I guess they sign up for it. They know that That they're gonna be in for some scrutiny. If their major league official in the information is out there and of course. They're all getting graded and evaluated behind the scenes constantly with mlp's own zone evaluation system. So right necessarily anything new to them. But i am curious to see how it all works out with robo lumps and how that would change the culture of umpiring and just how it'll change the way. The game is played in the aesthetics and that but there is a a matter for future seasons alone probably not in the distant future. I would think so. Yeah you can find the twitter account per scorecards at up scorecards. You can find the website with the faq and the stats and glossary and contact information at scorecards dot com. And you can find ethan's website at eastern hyphen singer dot com. He is also on twitter although not nearly as active as he is at scorecards accolade and singer. So thank you very much. Ethan looking forward to what you come up with next. Yeah of course thank you for having me on all right. That will do it for today. By the way the outcome of that owners meeting i mentioned earlier in the episode that was reportedly scheduled to touch on sticky substances. Is apparently that the crackdown is coming. Ken rosenthal tweeted. Mlb informed owners this week of severity of issue with pitchers applying foreign substances to baseball's enforcement is coming but league will follow a process involving communicating with players. Umpires unions has wells all thirty clubs. John hayman tweeted. Evidence was presented at the owners meetings to suggest that the use of illegal substances by pitchers trying to enhance been written get. An edge is very prevalent in the game so the crackdown will. Now commence in earnest. Joe sherman says there are three areas of emphasis. I placing a greater responsibility on teams to enforce rules against doctoring. The ball within their own clubs second empowering umpires to check especially caps gloves and uniforms for signs of illegal substances on a pitcher. The strategy likely would be empires to check each pitcher as he enters the game. Remove any questionable piece of uniform or equipment and provide a warning that a return of an illegal substance with two objection from the game and disciplined by. Be in third. What we talked about earlier stepping up enforcement in the minor leagues to address systemic problem within the sport so we shall see perhaps starting some time soon then maybe we will see whether the league wide spin rate dips would be very interesting. You can't support wild on patriot. Bag going to patriotdepot dot com slash effectively wild following. Blisters have already signed up and played some spunk. The amount to help keep the podcast going and get themselves access to sa- perks. Jacob davis richard anderson ted miles sam klein and ryan fraser. Thanks to all of you. 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Wednesday 12/2/20 - What Shark Tank Is Really Like (Dude Wipes Ryan)

Chicago Dog Walk

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Wednesday 12/2/20 - What Shark Tank Is Really Like (Dude Wipes Ryan)

"R.i.p may welcome to another episode with. The dog walk presented by barstool sports special guests. I'm joined by ryan. Megan from dude wipes dude products. Actually right. that's what that's the umbrella. Is that correct. Yeah it's dude products but obviously dude wipes the the breadwinner. It's interesting right. Because it's i'm sure there's a whole bunch of corporate marketing strategy and stuff where it's got. We're we're products right aso. The dude wipes people several knows absolutely and then we try to accentuate the dude out of all that so like you see my hat so like you know. So there's there's some different layers so that for sure. Yeah so so ryan. I'm excited heavy on man. I wanna make a disclaimer here. All the stool and everybody else. Who's listening. this is not a show. Podcast this is not because there's not bought this none of that Dude wipes as an advertising this show. They do other shows and barstool universe but not this one. But i'm just a huge fan of your guys products and I'm a huge fan of people who have a great story from chicago. And i think you guys have that and i just want to have you on this kind of shoot the shit about a man. So this is gonna be cool. No i appreciate that. And i can confirm. We did not pay for the spot. You know obviously a business with With barstool you know. Keep that above board But now we Eddie reached out and we were happy. Beyond so i appreciate it. Yeah dude so. I mean so. Let's let's now now. I know. I know you've told a story a million times but you know for the listeners. Can you give us a million and one right here. How this thing get off the ground yes. So it's it's me Brian sean. Joff were for lifelong friends from chicago. we grew up in the south burbs but after we all graduated from college we were living together and a apartment in city Fifteen o six west. Addison to be exact that's Verse goggle people. You know where that's at nine. Chicago listeners is basically wrigleville And we were just you know all had regular nine to five jobs and we all had entrepreneurial spirit you know. Every weekend we'd be dealing with normal mid twenty year olds. Do you know i'll partying you know and We as we would say smash miller lights and eating burritos late night and we would all talk about like aspirations of like you know. Put me company together. You know at some point. So my partner sean. eventually started stock in the The bathroom with baby wipes from sam's club and he's like you gotta try this. You know like As a as a complement the toilet paper He's like when you finish you. Know start using baby wipes and you'll feel so much cleaner. Whatever so we all have to adam at first and Eventually all was got hooked. So we get hooked on baby wipes and at the time there's only stop for women and babies and unlike private label stuff. There's nothing nothing for guys. So it got annoying like being at the office and not having you know baby wipes on you or or flushable wipes Because we've surely weren't going to carry around like the bolt backs like to our office so That's kind of how the conversation got started. We all got hooked on it. Our friends got hooked on it. Whatever and then that was kind of the moment that there is nothing out there for For guys so we thought that couple things. We thought we probably weren't the only guys doing this. That stumbled upon this And we call ourselves and everybody else. Closet wipers with With with the flushable is right and We also thought that you know if we could put a funny blunt masculine entertaining spin of a brand around the product that we could talk current non-users guys To adapt the habit a habit as well so we found a manufacturer Who was believed in the vision you know. We thought of the name dude wipes You know everybody uses the word dude. It's super contagious. You use it in many different Fashions or whatever so That was kinda the name we went with and The manufacturer believed in the vision. We started off with four pallets We we scrape together like thirty grand. So's like five grand apiece. And i'm like you know some like other family through the money To get those first four pallets we started slanging those out of the spare bedroom apartment so we threw him on amazon and we throw them on like a A website which is hysterical to look at Now that you know it was it was very rudimentary and That was back in like twenty twelve. Ish is when we first took our first shipment august of two thousand twelve Scottish people may know we We went the north coast or northcoast. Music festival ya Yeah so we got a table at north coast thirty five hundred bucks which we had no business funding thirty five hundred bucks. We thought that you know we thought we were so cool. And this was just gonna fly or whatever and and it well. Obviously we didn't make our money back but People we saw the reaction of like became came out the let people know. We came out first with these individually wrapped wipes because of that situation of being at the office right. So yeah we we. We knew we needed to do the on the goal version which were not on the market at that point so that was the differentiator so the brand of of dude wipes was a differentiator and then the The individuals on the go that you can just fit in your pocket fit your wallet. Nice and easy. A lot of people always say they look like condoms on the knock. Condoms obviously And the black packaging and that you know dude wipes and just popped and we saw the reaction of people like when we'd give them to people you know at bars or like north coast like they'd walk away and you would just see the reaction they would just keep talking and talking and like looking talking. You know so. We knew that we were on something that like. You know. this was the fun brand. We needed to create. And we're finding a niche of You know hitting The market towards guys that haven't been talked to in the space before so that's kind of the origins of of where it all began at sweet dude. So did you guys all go to the same. High school Me ryan and jeff went to providence catholic And sean sandburg so throughout the four. Yeah well we were all Sean brian and jeff grew up like literally like within blocks of each other in the same neighborhood. And then i played travel baseball with So we knew each other by like eighty nine or ten and then through that. I had met brian sean randomly but then we all became really good friends in high school. Awesome mostly catholic boys three. We act that voice for sure and then did you go to college together. What what college you guys go to. I went to a small school benedict ing naperville. Okay ryan started off at illinois state plant on a baseball scholarship. Then transferred to truman state. sean went illinois state graduated from illinois state and then jeff went to Indiana big time. Guy in investment banking various. Got time indiana. That's incredible listen. That's the thing is is ever worn like has. He's ideas. I feel and then they just get to the point where it's like. Well i just don't know how to do that. You know what i mean. And and i'm not listen thirty thousand dollars. This is a substantial amount of money but if someone knew like hey like we could do that. that's doable. But yeah i mean we tell people like just just do it. You know what i mean like by a first round or get some prototypes. Gone and just start selling like. That's what we did. We just got to market and figured it out along the way that we don't none of us had retail experience The good thing about avin like the four of us was that it's a well rounded team. Like sean and i have sales and marketing backgrounds whereas brian and jeff have financial backgrounds so it was a good mixture of like me and sean knew how to sell and market it And jeff and brian knew how to like. Make me sean. Like not make the company. Go bankrupt you know for sure pretty much so sure so that was yet two thousand and we all had our nine to five jobs through I didn't come on board until let me back. Sean quit his job in in late. Two thousand thirteen early twenty fourteen. Something like that. So he was first full employees to come on around the company. And then Sean brian jeff and i still got are nine to five jobs. I didn't come on board until Early twenty sixteen and then bryan in two thousand sixteen as well Joff stayed on. It's jeff at a really good job in it with your bank so make sense for him to leave And he was just you know advising us on things. Because he's actually in mergers and acquisitions unlike seeing brands grow and like all that stuff so he was obviously really Insightful voice in in that regard. But yeah i mean we just kept grinding You know day and night with our Our regular jobs. And then you know nights and weekends and all day on On dude wipes as well to get it to a point where we could all you know. Come on board. Fulltime and things really started to click twenty fifteen ish to. That's that's also. And i'm sure that for you guys was was that moment where like holy scholley shit. Like i could actually do this for a living. I can imagine. That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah no was definitely cool And to give you a little bit more insight on the growth there like Two thousand fourteen We gotta deal with like bass pro really small deal Two thousand fifteen Was when twenty fifty. Fifteen was a big year. We in january Robin big recipes. Big black They did a full fantasy factory episode on on dude wipes for free like just because we we would just send packages through the big black and he got on board with the the dude wipes movement so they didn't full episode on that For free which was huge exposure and then in june of two thousand fifteen we We sponsor tyron woodley and we put dude wipes on the the acid his shorts and he was on a pay per view against rory macdonald and it was a boring fight were they danced around the whole time. So does dude wipes his on camera the entire time and It ended up trending number three worldwide on twitter that night so that was again affirmation like people talk about this brand like you know like people like can't get enough of it you know i was just before shark tank or al before shark tank so so the woodley fight was in june and then we We ended up filming a couple of weeks later. in la. We got invited out after going through several rounds of shark tank and Then we it. 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He admitted to scharping like those at the mound And we sent him wipes and then he posted so like we've done that with With 'em girl as well We were always like on the ball in real time because we understand the the the buzz at the the brand creates and we don't shy away from the end of the blunts bathroom humor We're kind of like the barstool of our little niche category of the world. Where we don't shy away from like we're not at all you know and bad autheniticity resonates with people appreciate you know. We're we're the brand and messaging. We always like to say is just that other dude. One of your friends in the room. That like you know you guys are talking bluntly to each other and having a good time you know. So we're always on social media. You know acting in real time Commenting in real time on things and It just kinda flies so yeah and obviously we look to the bathroom situations that just creates concert for us on the internet. You guys are just such a great job of that but then so so the north coast thing you said was it just kind of took off from there and you guys you had no business putting the tent up but it ended up working out so then the all kind of quit your jobs you tyron woodley thing happens and then finally you're finally brought up to shark tank and that's another story. I'm sure you've told a million times but if you give me a million in one you know whatever the short version never be let me say. North coast was twenty thirteen so it was years later that when jeff ears this jeff laughs to this day like being the one of the finance guys that was the dumbest investment we've ever made like so we always talk about it but Yeah no shark tank. We are we went to a A in person like walkup tryout. I forget what year it was but it was probably like two thousand thirteen or fourteen or no is probably twenty two over twenty thirteen because we literally just a prototype of the box but we made an impression on the producer. And she's like like we didn't even have product she's like. This sounds ridiculous like you guys are clowns like keep in touch like let me know you know like and that's that's too we are and that's we just be ourselves with the brand and and people love that and the humor aspect is what you know trying to people love so Yet twenty fourteen than we actually had a business doing like a few hundred grand sales and We get Into like a. We decently far. And they're like we love you guys. This isn't an absolute no but like just keep in touch like this was like the fall of of say twenty. This was the fall twenty fourteen. So they're like let's touch base again in the spring so we touch base in the spring and thank god. We got a nationwide kroger deal. The spring of twenty fifteen was our first Nationwide retail deal Like twelve hundred stores twelve hundred growers cross country so that was what i think. Like sold them like. Okay like we gotta get these guys out there. So they They invited us out to la and was it like crushing for you guys. Though when he couldn't get on the first time was seen as like. I'll fuck like we we. This is a huge opportunity. Were so close to the goal line but we just can't get there or was it like well you know what like Honestly we always just have faith like it was gonna work out at some point we we were like so entranced or whatever you wanna call it with like the the product and the business and that like guys were we're gonna adopt this in the world is going to accept this that like we thought that shark tank would be cool vehicle but we didn't see it as the end all be all you know so and i think somewhere deep down. We probably all thought that we'd eventually get on there anyway. So you know. I don't know call it like the you know the drunk entrepreneurial like believing in your own idea type thing. I don't know what it was. But you know we all all dislike felt that it was going to make it one way or another and You know they end up calling us out It's really interesting experience. There's like you know. Probably three or four dozen other companies out there and you have to go in and pitch the elect producer So what they do is they give you like. You're like everyone walk off with that like minute. Spiel that like seemed rehearsed. Yeah yeah so that's like given to you by the producers and you and you you know you run through that a million times you have it down pat so you have to go through that. Make that to you guys. Don't even the contest. You like kind of like massage unscripted together. Okay so and you do that over weeks. And and that's what that's what like you have weekly phone calls with them and they're like analyzing your business and like you gotta give them like weekly sales updates and things like that to make sure like you progressing and you know it makes sense for them to call you out so once you get out there. Then you do that sort of pitch To the the producers klay bill and You know they gotta make sure that you're not gonna like fallen face when you're like you know you can like stand out there. Like look presentable. Be like energetic. and like you're good for. Tv's thing because it is a tv show at the end of the year right we Did well on that and Funny little wrinkle is that they told us that ashton kutcher was a guest shark. Like the david was supposed to pit like they're like you guys made it like you're coming to set tomorrow and you know ash and coach is going to be here or like dude. We're like we're gonna you know we're gonna get mark and ashton the team up and it's going to be ridiculous you know fuck you get the big bears fan. We're going to get an insult. Acharya wore like walter payton shirt like under my shirt up a ashton. You know be you know and under so we get the set that day. They make us wait in the green room all day. Like for whoever it was scheduled us as like so they try to get like eight. Really good pitches In in one filming gay because that will give them to episodes there's four pitches barabbas. That goes the live tv so but they give ten. They send ten people per day. To film doesn't case couple people suck so they schedule us tenth or like who. Who's who's who's in charge tv here. That doesn't want dude wipes in front of ashton kutcher. That may dude. Where's my car. You know And it turns out that Everyone else's pitches took so long that we didn't go that day and ashton was gone. So we're pissed. Oh that's Yeah we're like we were pissed so I think that was a blessing in disguise. Because at kinda took all the nerves away and political chip on her shoulder and We went out there the next day and we were i to go there. We promise you you're going to be. I like all right and so we went out there. The next day we were first and It's interesting it's It we were literally in it for ninety minutes. So you do your like minute spiel. And then it's qna and we were lucky because we have three people in there will like sharks don't do like the the editors do a great job of making it. Look like a seamless conversation. What it's the old bar in. They're like mark is asking a question. Mark wants to know what he wants to knowing. No now you know mr wonderful same thing. Kevin robert robert. You know whoever else in there So yes so that's a that's a little known fact that that people don't like they edited. They added that donald like ten minutes. You can be in there for a long time ninety minutes. That's a fucking i. What did i do what he is or so much shit. Do they know that you went to providence. To do they tell me your fucking varsity record and everything say that. They don't know anything about you going in there you know. They have no preconceived notions or anything. So the good thing was for us. Like i said we had three people and the fact that we have a fun brand or a lot of jokes flying around so it made the the you know the mood and eric on a calm and Obviously then it gets intense towards the end when people start talking valuation and and Offers yeah i feel like those people who do the worst of the people that come in that are so convinced and they act like they know like this is the next big thing like you guys just kind of went and loose it. Usually we're dude wipes yeah up in you know for sure. Yeah in our opinion was to that You know worst case scenario. Were probably going to be good tv. Because of the product concept in the name. so at the very least we're gonna get some You know marketing and exposure And at the end of the day. Like what i tell. People like. We'll get approached by perspective Tank companies now. I'm just like aids. Just be yourself and then be It's only five people in the world. That's that's only five people. It's only cbs opinion. So doesn't work. You know like the guy in ring. The guy that invented ring got turned down on shark tank and sold the amazon for a b. So yeah data. Jack was involved with that or something right. I think what's his name Do that owns virgin airlines. Oh branson richard branson yet invested by himself after shark tank. He wasn't on that episode and then it went. It went wild then. The dude ended up being a shark himself on there. so so crazy. I don't know if it have. You seen our episode or no a half a half. Almost all it's interesting episode where We got off. I from Mr wonderful and robert Mark was out like pretty early and then we went back to phone a friend. Brian Talk about it and we decided to come on there. And try and pare. Mr wonderful and robert together They end up getting super greedy. You know thirty percent together blah blah blah Jeff did a nice job and countered with his own money to be like. Let's meet in the middle at twenty eight and a half percent and i'll bridge twenty five percent to twenty eight and a half myself And mark just got like so like annoyed that we still talking that he's just like you said fuck it i'm in let's go. You know any stands up and more like da- let's do it next thing you know we're dabbling an upward mark and we got our guy and that's what we wanted. Hey so little longer to stop right there. We'll be back tomorrow with part to talk in subdued wipes. We'll see then.

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12/3/2020 - The Mo Egger Show

Mo Egger

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12/3/2020 - The Mo Egger Show

"Lee began today's meditation with the few sipping exercises to remind us. A little treat can go a long way so pick up your mcafee. Iced coffees close. Your eyes and deep szepen and deep satisfaction out. Take a treat retreat at mcdonald's right now mcafee iced coffee and any size and any flavor for just ninety nine cents tell them. Fm am price of participation may vary. It'll be mayhem and miami. Zac taylor bengals head down to the sunshine. State duke it out with a dolphin can the orange in plex spoil. Miami's postseason dreams. The cool from your uday buddies. Dan worded dave liebman coverage begins sunday morning at nine on. Espn fifteen thirty over bengal. You gather go. Hey get after. My name's malaga. You're listening to. Espn fifteen thirty. And i thank you for doing as much thank. Ken brew for filling in for me yesterday. That was kind of pinch. Hit for dan. Hoard calling the bearcat season opener last night against lipscomb. And when you go from. Dan hord to me. That's like going from a ferrari to a car. That has three wheels. So i think every bearcat fan can be very very very very happy to find out that dan will be the microphone on sunday. That'd be good that'd be good. We've got some crosstown shootout stuff to get to. This is every single year. Feels like we do this. Let me do this really quickly. And then all wanted to pivot back. Joe burrow the bengals announced about twenty minutes ago has undergone successful surgery successful surgery on his knee. So that's good. That's a step in the right direction. The step in the wrong direction would mean unsuccessful surgery. I'm not sure what that would have. Looked like perhaps a leg amputation. I can tell you this. Joe burrow has both legs so there we go successful knee surgery and a couple of minutes with the bengals cannot do a quarterback next year. Jay morrison in ten minutes about fifteen minutes on the bengals and we have to get to what the reds did last night. There's actually a lot man. We'll have two and a half hours and ku hoops at five thirty. We got some college football playoff. I have what is probably gonna be an unpopular opinion about the college football playoff and specifically ohio state. So we're going to spend a lot of time on that. We got the shootout reds non tendering. A bunch of dudes the archie. Bradley era is over. Chat brundle is going to be on this show so a lot in regards to the shootout first of all the game last night for you see on on one hand you're you're trailing lipscomb by nine with thirteen minutes to go on the other hand you close out the game in pretty dominant fashion. You win by twelve on a night where keith williams wasn't very good at all. I'm not sure that can happen on sunday. I'm not sure that can happen against good teams in terms of the game itself on sunday. I don't know. I don't. I don't know it feels like this game. We spend more time talking about the atmosphere around the game or things like its placement on the schedule than the actual game. And i'll do this. I never by the whole like the crosstown. Shootout isn't what it used to be yet is yes. It is my favorite moment in sports. My favorite moment in sports are those moments right before the crosstown shootout tips off. There's nothing like it man. I've been lucky enough to go to twenty or so those games regardless of the building there is nothing like it the anticipation before the first pitch on opening day is not the same the the moment right before the crosstown shootout every single year. If we've had days of people wondering has the game lost its luster. It not what it used to be. I can laugh at myself. I usually do that. But i kind of laugh to myself in those moments going. Yeah we were wondering if this game meant anything if it had any luster if it's not what it used to be. Nobody nobody who's who cares about the program or nobody who's lucky enough to be in the building for that moment or watching on tv and those moments who cares about either of those programs in those moments is thinking at all about how the luster has been lost now the placement on the calendar. I've said this for years college basketball's better in february just is this game is better fits played in february now. Obviously we're in a different type year. We are not going to have that atmosphere on sunday. Maybe a hundred people are going to be at fifth third less on sunday afternoon. That's about what we're at fifth third last night. Some donors some friends family players nonetheless not that many people certainly not a full house and so you're not going to have their crosstown shootout atmosphere. The game means a ton. The game is a sporting event is going to be awesome. It will be not as not as awesome. It will be awesome but in terms of a basketball game basketball events to watch kansas and kentucky two nights ago that was rough man whole. That was rough. Uk's outside shooting. Kansas on on offense. The ball kept sticking him as a as a rough basketball game played by two teams that have think championship national championship. Aspirations obviously kentucky there's a lot of youth and inexperience lot of moving parts that game. You play that in february hall you can me. The talent level is going to take that game into a ticket to a different place. But then you add to it. A couple of months worth of experience playing together coaches who have a better idea of what their teams are college. Basketball games are better in as a rule are exceptions in february then december. So this one on sunday xavier's obviously played five games and yet still. I don't know. I've watched them blow out two teams and i've watched him play close games against three teams that i thought they should've blown out. I don't know factor no pun intended. It's going to be zach fremantle. i'm not sure. Uc has a guy like that keith. williams can't play the way he did last night on sunday but sports to me or more fun when we have known variables and in this early in the season. I know we're in december usually by now you or savior would have played seven or eight games. And you'd have a better idea but when you have a game like this on sunday and there's more unknowns than knowns. Well that's not as good as if this game was being played later. And i'm not blaming anybody in cova deer like this. Just happy that we have college basketball. I'm just happy that we're going to have across town shootout fantastic. Maybe in february you had a better chance of actually having fans in the stands but just basketball's better in february college. Basketball teams are better in february. Could say this from being a die hard fan. Man i tell you how many teams i watched in november. Where i'm like. How's this team going to win. Twenty games and then you get february and you see how it how they are winning twenty games. They improve to me. It's it's the one sport more than anything. Where you less resemble late in the season or you're at least less supposed to resemble late in the season what you are or what you were early in the season. So i'll be honest with you. If i had my way which i never do but if i had my way even in a year like this we wouldn't be playing this thing on sunday in february now because of covert and maybe that was a complete impossibility. The game in recent seasons has been played in december and usually in december last year. The game was played. I think on the eight teams played for a month. Both teams have played for a month. They played about a quarter of their schedule. A better idea of what these two teams are. And obviously you have a better sense of who the musketeers are than the bearcats and if push came to shove and he said okay well. Who's going to win the game. You have to pick a winner. I'd probably say issue. The home court advantage is going to be just a fraction of what it usually is for the bearcats but these games are more fun when you know. Kansas kentucky would be a better game february when we know when these teams have been playing these players playing with each other when strengths and weaknesses form as players improve as players grow into the college game. Heck is officials have an idea of what these teams over college basketball is better than february college. Basketball is more people are paying attention. February and so sunday is going to be fun. it's always an awesome event. It's not going to be as cool because of no fans. It's going to be a really fun game. It's going to be interesting to learn about these two teams but sure. Yeah it's not about luster for me. It's always been about placement on the calendar. And yeah i wish. On the calendar. This game was being placed somewhere else. That doesn't mean sunday's not going to be a blast. Because i for one cannot wait and frankly is going to be more fun than bengals and dolphins twelve after three five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six seven zero two three seven seven six mentioned joe burrow successful surgery. That's obviously a good thing. Tony pike brought this up to me. I hadn't seen it. And i have since looked at it pro. Football focus has shoehorned quarterbacks in two different cities for two thousand twenty one. They mentioned cam newton coming to cincinnati. Now this is pro. Football focus being speculative even throwing darts against the a huge pro football focus fan but throwing darts against the wall. Look i i is unrealistic. Yeah spend a lot of time on it. No i'm not gonna spend a lot of time on cam newton playing for the bengals a we're not even to the off season yet cam. Newton's still has a job he's trying to somehow get the patriots to the postseason. Here's what i know next. Season's backup quarterback can't be ryan finley. Is that fair cannot be ryan finley. And i'm going to go ahead and say it can't be brandon allen either okay. Can we agree on that now where we go from there we got. We got months to talk about that. Is it somebody in the draft. I doubt it is it. Somebody in free agency. Is it a trade they swing. Is that a guy who's been here before. I will happily spend weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks in the off season talking about who the backup quarterback should be. Here's what i know. It cannot be ryan finley. It cannot be brandon allen next season your backup quarterback whether they have to play game one because boroughs not ready or slide in and play a series because borough got his bell wrong or play multiple weeks or even play an entire year. Your team can't be instantly rendered useless because joe burrow is no longer available. That's what's happened now right. Do you really care about these. Next five games legitimately anything interesting about these next five games. The bengals are probably gonna lose most of them good shot of losing all of them. Why there's been injuries on defense. Joe mix install not available. But it's mainly because joe burrow's not here. We've we've basically shelved the second half of the season because joe burrow can't play and yes that's a huge statement about how good he is and will be but it's a damning indictment against the guys behind him on the depth chart. We're just putting away their chances of being competitive because they don't have their starting quarterback. That's not how this league is supposed to work the baltimore ravens. You could say what you want about. Rg three trace mcsorley. Whatever you want about those guys and john harbaugh after the game kinda felt like you know what even against the pittsburgh steelers on a wednesday afternoon. I guess shot at being competitive. We're completely dismissing that next season. Whoever the backup quarterback for the bengals is. I don't care cam newton. Aj mccarron joe flacco. Andy dalton whoever it is i feel like you know what i think you do to what you could put that guy in and all hope is not lost is not as good as borough would rather have borough. Hopefully borough plays every snap next year. Chances of that happening aren't likely. So if it's not cam. Newton that's fine if you don't like cam okay. It cannot be the guys they have right now. And you might say well. Big deal modes backup quarterback. Well big deal. It's backup quarterback. We spent a lot of time this past off season wondering should they go get somebody and maybe if they had they win. The game against washington benford. That's a fact so fast. Credit card purchases cash back. No one else gets these rewards. What intern nation sir fits ward isn't just for military members. Anyone can get cash back on all purchases. You've ruined my favorite song. Ten fed credit union visit penn fed dot org slash power cash to receive any advertise product. You must become a member. Peh insured by ncua for all. Your food is out there. I'm unwrapping a mcdonnell steak. Egg and cheese bagel look at this steak and the juice running down the side. Go little bit on rapper. Here and then. A fluffy egg and rail cheese ford oversaw looking. Just so good Grilled onions about a bagel. Two thumbs off madonna steak egg and cheese bagel for breakfast. Love it more At participating mcdonald's maybe if they had they win the game against new york instead of a team that's going nowhere over these final five games. Maybe something to play for. Next year we went the bengals to play for something right cool. Then get a backup quarterback that can help you play for something because these guys ain't at sixteen three ammo agra fifteen thirty s. How you hit me up on twitter blogs at espn fifteen. Thirty dot com reds. Made some moves yesterday. None of them to me were that head-scratching except for one would do that coming up in just about fifteen minutes in it four. Oh five i. you're not if you like. uc football. And i do and you're looking at this college football playoff thing thinking you know what if ohio state doesn't play that's going to help the bearcats i have. What's probably going to be for you and unpopular opinion. We'll do that coming up at four over five. Dan class skins fantasy football. Help a little bit later on n. k. u. In tennessee tech. It's us out of the way at five. Thirty j morrison from the athletic on a few bengals topics joins us next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station person covers the bengals for the athletic along with appalled danger junior. They have a podcast here. That podcast growl. And it's all things bengals if you don't subscribe to the athletic he should and j morrison joins us every thursday except last day was thanksgiving so we weren't here hopefully. He wasn't waiting by the phone by the way. Joe burrow's surgery deemed a success in all your years of covering sports. Have you ever gotten word of surgery. That wasn't successful. no. I have not. And i've never met a player that doesn't take it one day at a time. One time that that is that is that is true. I saw on twitter. Somebody did mention that. An amputation. Technically could be considered successful surgery. Fortunately that hasn't happened with joe. Yes fortunately i mean all signs point to a full recovery and We'll see how soon he can get back and it certainly doesn't look like he's going to miss a lot of time and twenty twenty one. The big question is going to be in this. Offseason as kennedy vaccine ok-. Yeah no doubt about that if he's not it. They can't be rolling out ryan finley and brandon allen right. Yeah i mean this year was different. Just i mean and this year is different in every regard but again this year was you. You weren't counting on playoffs and you weren't counting on that emergency contingency plan. Where if something did happen to joe you needed to have a quality guy to jump in there and get some wins. That's just not this year was going to be about this. Year was all about developing joe burrow. And i think that changes next year. I think the expectations are going to be higher and they are going to be more serious about about having a backup there that the can't come in and win games if anything if the worst happens where he goes down whether it'd be like this season ending or whether it be for a game or to the question is you look at this teams track record. How you going to get a quality backup in here number one knowing they have no chance of starting the joe burrow demand and number two just someone to come to cincinnati with a team. That's come becoming off five straight losing season. I think it's gonna be a tough sell to get a quality backup in here. Do you look the second part of that. I could not agree more with. I would imagine it's it's hard to entice somebody who's who's had success in this league to wanna come in and be a part of a franchise that hasn't had a winning season over a decade. I would think though maybe not necessarily for the chance to work directly with joe burrow but but perhaps participate in his development. Groom him along the way maybe get a shot to show what you could do it in the in the off chance or maybe even not off but in the in the event that joe burrow can't go week one. You're going to get a chance to play if the team stinks. It's not going to be held against you if you do a good job. Perhaps it's a chance to play yourself into maybe a more prominent role after this after next season somewhere else. Yeah i could see that. But it's just they. They know they're going to be second fiddle even if they get a chance to start a couple of games. I i mean most of these guys. If you want quality backup if you wanna antidote ryan fitzpatrick those guys are gonna want at least a fair shake it starting somewhere and you may get a guy that maybe you don't think is is gonna turn out to be a a great backup quarterback and some games. And maybe they do. Maybe they step in and you can find a guy At the tail end of his career. That like a josh mccown type. It is content owning the clipboard and being a mentor. But i just think it's going to be a harder sale here than it would be anywhere else. Jay morrison covers the bengals for the athletic. He is on twitter. At j morrison eight t h so. I think most of us are assuming that they're gonna lose if not all of these five remaining games. The overwhelming majority of them ryan finley brandon. Allen can't be the guy there's a lot of guys who are injured over these next five games. What's interesting about this team to you. Yeah i mean. I don't know you you want to see improvement from from guys One thing that. I'm interested in. I mean kara lawson is has really i mean he's he's top five in the league and pressures and he's just he's still only has four and a half sacks and you wanna see Can he start closing in in finishing some of these and getting some of these sacks and then how does that play into next year. I mean you talk about a guy that might be not interested in being part of cincinnati given the losing culture here. He's he's going to be free agent and maybe the bengals offering more money than somewhere else and he says. I seen enough here. I move on Defense in particular. I think is is the most interesting thing because you know. Miami's not a juggernaut offensively Houston certainly isn't dallas. Isn't this this defense. Needs to make some strides. I think there's still a question of is lou. Anteroom gonna be the defensive coordinator next year. And i think these last five games. They're gonna tell us a lot about which direction they go there. Yeah you know it's the smart money is obviously on zac. Taylor being the head coach next year. That's going to be a tough sell as is but if you if you bring him back with a coaching staff that looks almost exactly the same man. I'm i'm not sure how you sell that. Even if that would ultimately prove to be the right thing to do bringing back luana romo. Jim turner. I just i. You talked about a mini revolt. Not that bengals fans aren't used to already revolting. But i think that's going to be a really tough sell effects. If the makeup of the coaching staff underneath the head coaches is is pretty much the same. Yeah but you gotta think too. I mean how many season tickets are going to sell no matter who they hire defensive coordinator no matter who they bring up whatever whatever changes they make on the on the assistant coaching staff side of things. How much is that really going to. Energize the fan base and sell tickets. I mean this is gonna come down to the winning games and zac taylor. And maybe more importantly mike brown feels that the the coaches they have in place are the guys that can get them over the hump. Even though it's not been proven yet. I it wouldn't surprise me to see not a lot of changes made. I think there will be But i i. i don't think it's going to be. I don't think it's going to be rash or there's just a lot of the huge turn of the assistant staff jay. I appreciate the time as always man. Thanks so much care. thing about. Jay morrison covers the bengals for the athletic goto. The dot com and subscribe. And you'll be happy and if you already subscribe by subscription for somebody for christmas. I bet that there you go not bad. Three thirty five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six bengals and dolphins sunday at one o'clock live on. Espn fifteen thirty reds. Were busy yesterday. And i tell you what to a large degree. I don't envy nick crawl. This is a climate. That's gotta to be really really tough to make big excuse me big financial decisions for a lot of different reasons. But they did something to me. Yesterday was kind of puzzling. We'll get to that next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Joe burrow's had successful surgery and k. u. Was playing tennessee tech that game air airs live on. Espn fifteen thirty pre game at five thirty. Trevor steals radio shows tonight seven pm on fifty five katersky be for your sports headlines local sports headlines service and kelsey chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Get a kelsey. Chev- dot com chad. Brendel coming up in six minutes on. Uc hoops and football bearcats. A winning last night beating lipscomb on the hardwood and Football obviously no game this week. Their schedule wrap up the regular season at tulsa. A week from saturday reds tendered. Some guys yesterday and this is. I was gonna say it's happening all around baseball. But but actually if you looked at it. Doug gray pointed this resignation dot com the number of non tenders around baseball yesterday which a lot of people have attributed this huge number two sort of the economy in baseball right now. Wasn't that drastically higher than the same amount of players who are non tendered. Last year. brian goodwin curt casali cow farmer. Who has since been brought back on one year. Deal and rj lanny's Were all non tendered. So was archie bradley archie. Bradley thing to me is kind of puzzling. Because the projections were for him to make a little bit less than six million bucks this year for a guy the reds valued enough to trade atop ten to fifteen prospect. In order to get josh van meter was also in that deal stewart fairchild was too and while stewart fairchild is is not a player that we've talked about in the same breath of guys like tyler stevenson and hunter green and jonathan india fan graphs had him midway through the season or midway through the summer i should say is the eleventh best prospect were listed. Had him as a top ten prospects bonafide legitimate asset either in your organization to maybe turn a big leaguer get a big leaguer out of or get a big leaguer for traded away that asset in exchange for seven and two thirds innings from archie bradley. Who down the stretch of kind of like was forgotten guy like they were using pretty much anybody else in high leveraged kind of forgot about archie bradley. Archie didn't pitch poorly here. He gave up one run. He pitched in six games. And we're not talking about somebody who's past their prime has not yet twenty eight years old. I'm sorry he just turned twenty eight years old. My the that's a little weird to me especially for team. Let's see turner is gonna go. We'll see if they get for sonny gray. I'm sure they will the story last week was they would be willing to listen to offers for sonny gray. I'm not opposed to listening to anything. But if if you do that. And you send away. Sonny gray you lose trevor bauer. You're starting staff is probably not going to be as good or as deep as it was last year. Your bullpen michael lorenzen in these sixty game season. The first half was not very good. Some shakiness at times to rice. The bullpen last year. They acquired archie bradley. That's a fact credit card purchases. Give me back. No one else gets these rewards auction. What intern nation sir confits parakeets wards. Court isn't just for military members. Anyone can get cash back on all purchases. You've ruined my favorite song and fed credit union. Visit penn fed dot org slash power cash to receive any advertise product must become a member of pen. Fed insured by ncua foods. Out there unwrapping a mcdonnell steak egg and cheese bagel. Who look at this steak and juice running down the side. Gullit bit on rapper. Here and then. A fluffy egg and rail cheese folded oversaw looking. Just so good Grilled onions and butter bagel two thumbs from donald steak egg and cheese bagel for breakfast. Love it more baba at participating. Mcdonald's played did with a month to go in the season because the bullpen was a question mark and it was really early. Things did settle down. But you acquire. Rg bradley because you were so unsure about your bullpen. That you had to get this guy and in order to get him. You traded away a top ten to fifteen prospect and you say goodbye to him after six games now. I know nick crawl in the front office are dealing with a lot of really hard to answer questions including how many games are we can apply. What kind of revenues are we gonna have this year. We'll the be fans in the stands. How long is the season going to be heck. We don't even know in this sport if we're going to have d. h. In the national league in two thousand twenty one and then you add to all of that the fact that they did lose money this year estimates have been. I've seen i've seen sixty mill. I've seen eighty male p doc and his blog today which by the way mentioned my name said he. He's heard they've lost lost in in in the neighborhood of one hundred million dollars and so you know they lost money this year regardless of the dollar amount and so all of all of this makes it. It certainly makes it hard to take on a lot of money right now. It certainly makes it hard to definitively say we're going to be all in with the guys we have and by the way it's also worth mentioning that there's probably going to be a slew of dudes. The reds could get at pretty cheap contracts that in a normal offseason. They couldn't get all of that. Said that move is interesting to me. A guy who relatively speaking was going to be making all that much money that you gave up something of value to get and you got six games out of seven and two thirds innings if you're looking for signs as to what the reds are going to do and they obviously have a lot of time to show you what they're gonna do but if you're looking for signs to suggest what the reds are going to do. This is not a sign that they're going to be all in this winter. This would be a sign that they're going to go in the other direction. That might not be the case. They may take the bradley money and they may have big plans for it. They may have big plans for the money for all those guys. They non tendered yesterday. And so it's it's not worth getting upset right to see what they do with the money. It's like the sunny gray thing. I don't want them to trade. Sonny grow gray but if you do all right what are you getting. And then what are you doing with ten mil that you would be paying sunny ray this year but at face value. That's certainly doesn't suggest for a team that had top to bottom a weak bullpen but had enough questions about its bullpen. That they gave up a top ten to fifteen prospect. They just let that guy get away and he would have made less than six million dollars in all likelihood in two thousand twenty one twenty away from four. According to espn's ben baby auden tate is going to have surgery on his shoulder on tuesday. So there you go. The joe burrow news good successful surgery on his injured knee. Meanwhile you see a winner last night in basketball and football one regular season game remains then the conference championship game holding steady at seven the college football playoff rankings. Chad brendel in his normal thursday spot. We have a lot to talk about. We'll do that next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Nothing fourteen from four. This is espn fifteen. Thirty moa grachev. Rentals website is bearcat. Journal dot com. He's on twitter at chad rundle. And he's with us every single thursday. I wasn't here last thursday because of the holiday i hear the previous thursday it just it feels like forever. Since i've talked with chad. It felt like forever since i had j. the days in two thousand twenty seem to last a lifetime so be. It hasn't been that long nonetheless. Chad is here. What's going on now. It's two weeks two weeks there was it was thanksgiving is thursday. Yeah did you. Did you sit around waiting for me to call you. I did i you know i was supposed to be working on the smoke turkey but i told the family that dinner was going to have to be a little bit late because i hadn't heard from. Oh yet but finally by like four thirty. I just figured you weren't gonna call him into. Let's good. I didn't take so long. What is the what is the big takeaway from from last night's basketball victory the sophomores. We spent so much time talking about keith. Williams and chris vote and rep homeless ivanauskas and and david julius and any combination of those guys at the top of the roster and we didn't spend a whole lot of time talk other than which one was going to start. We didn't spend a whole lot of time. Talking about mike adams woods. We didn't spend a whole lot of time. Talking about zach harvey and we definitely didn't spend much time talking about jeremiah davenport we screwed that up. Yes they say the bacon last night. No they did jeremiah. Davenport's energy translated into plays the change. The game zach harvey. You can look at the box and go. Yeah big deal to me. It was the look last year. Lost last night looked confident and mike adams woods. For much of the night. I thought was the best player on the court. Yeah i mean you know the the interesting thing for me. I i always said last year. It's going to be interesting to see what happens with mica when he has the confidence to take more shots. Because i think last year he was just doing what was asked of him. There was a lot of veteran guys in front of him. Yes he was a starter but he was kind of fifth sixth option on that team. So he deferred. He moved up the food chain and he can't defer and and that's kind of a good thing because he can score. I mean he's as good as there is on that roster had taken the ball of the rim and finishing through contact. We didn't see it last night. But he's got a good shot from the perimeter he's really good from the free throw line. He steady with the ball. He's their best on ball defender on the team. So you start to add all that up. And i think we kinda screwed the pooch in not talking more about mike adams woods coming into the season not just as will he be the fifth starter. Bought this kid's good enough to to really carve out a niche at the top of this roster for the next three years and i said this to terry nelson last night. I go back to two last season abundantly clear. Early that chris mcneill wasn't the guy nut now nothing against him. It was abundantly clear that mike adams woods was just better but in a lot of really chaotic moments. All those close games they played all those overtimes overtime close games. They played him he. He brought a calm. He wrote a calmness to the proceedings. That is a freshman. I normally don't see i start with that. Then i go from there. We're talking about somebody who is poised to have a really really good college basketball career ucy well. The line from From rap last night was hilarious. I asked him about mica. A calming influence and rap. Said you know he. He doesn't get sped up. Because i don't think he's that fast. Look last year. Last year press conferences. Were kinda like pulling teeth. Jaren wasn't much of a talker. Trae was kind of programmed in what to say with ivanauskas with julius. We saw mica was really good last night keith. Williams was as good as he's ever been a couple of weeks ago like we might actually have some fun. Doing press conferences again last year. That team last year was not a they. Were not a talkative bunch and poor andrea foucher. The would have to literally like go in and fistfight people to come in post game press conferences. He will come back into the press room and his hair would be all disheveled and he'd be like i got i got you jeevan cumberland. You know what's interesting. Is you talk about the personality of last year's team and look trae. Scott will go down as one of my all time favorite players but the personality of last year's team was reserved watching the bench last night even down even when they're down nine even when they're struggling even when they're having a hard time figuring out lips gamal pensively there was there was a there was a collective body language that i thought was just different. And that's not easy for game one in a mostly empty jim. When you've got a lot of new guys that to me is corny as it. Sounds was encouraging. I think there's two guys that are on that bench unit that gives you a ton of energy jeremiah davenport being one mama diarra being the other. Those guys are always up and you know when they're not on the floor. That can be contagious for those guys that are over there especially you know you're kinda upset that you thought you were gonna play fifteen minutes and so far you've only played six and You know you're pouting and you're mad. You don't get a chance to be like that when when you have two guys like that over there keeping everybody laughing importantly and having a good time and those guys are like that. I think this is going to be a much different personality. I mean last team took on the personality. Jaren cumberland and jaren cumberland doesn't exactly if you've got to know jaren. His personality was different but just the standard. Outward personality of jaren cumberland was very reserved. It was not outgoing. It was not you know overly emphatic. About anything and i think this year's teams personality is tenfold different than what we saw a year ago. Hopefully that that's a good thing for them. Yeah i think long term it will be now. Is things relate specifically to sunday that keith lee on sunday there's a game on sunday as things relates and i'm not talking about the bengals. Dolphins things related to the xavier game. The skyline chili crosstown. Shootout the keith williams showed up last night can't walk into the gym on sunday afternoon. Now this is a problem keith. What he what you saw last night as a problem keith. Had since he got here a lot of it is tied to how at just naturally athletic is. If you've ever watched a basketball practice they work a ton on your feet being choppy when you're closing out on a shooter when you're defending sliding side to side keith. Kind keith bounces and when you bounce. You don't have your balance and you don't have your balance. Use your hands. And that's where keith gets in trouble. If you look at those three thousand the first half they were all with his hands his feet were in the proper position and he has got to get over that because he can't be on the bench for fifteen minutes of the ten twelve minutes of the first half on sunday. That can't happen if this team is going to beat xavier so he got a lot better at it as last year went on. Hopefully this was just a game one you know pent up energy of you know the the adrenaline kicks in and you kind of lose your mind for a little bit early. Hopefully that was the case. What really kind of stuck out to me was that he did it again for the third foul right like right the first two okay like it's the first segment. The first four minutes segment of the first game of the season coach. Trust you with six minutes left. That's how important you are trust. She was six minutes left to come in. And you commit the same type of foul for your third foul. That worried me a little bit now. You can't start the half right. That keith gotta gotta get himself out of that. So i was going to ask you next and then we'll pivot the football. He doesn't he doesn't start the second half. He started the second half on the bench. Three thousand strategic or punitive strategic. I think i don't think it was a. I don't think there was anything malicious about it. I don't think it was not obeying the coach. I think he has a propensity to hand defense. And unlike you and the eleventh grade it doesn't pay off for them sometimes. I was often hansie in the eleventh grade but it had nothing to do with with basketball five away from four chad brindles here. His websites bearcat journal dot com. There is a no uc football game this week. Are there Just just just put them if you want to put a percentage on it if you just want to say very likely not so likely. We're going to be watching. The bearcats played tulsa week from saturday right now. Put the percentage at fifty five forty five which is better than two days ago. I put it a fifty one forty nine. So things are improving right. I think you're starting to see things kind of trend in the right direction. It you see where there was a week to ten days where the same thing that's going on everywhere was was going on inside the uc football program where they were trying to to get this thing under control and get it isolated and you know. I think you saw with ravens steelers. Yesterday that thing went on for five six seven days where you know every time the ravens thought they headed isolated something new popped up and that went all the way until they left for pittsburgh on tuesday so you see going through something similar. It sounds like from what i'm hearing. Things are starting to return to some normalcy. And if that's the case. I think there's enough time hopefully to get things moving in the right direction for the twelfth. But if you're the does it make sense to play these teams twice as back to back weeks. I mean you know. Whoever doesn't if they skip to the conference championship game whoever doesn't host is going to be ticked off right. Uc's number seven in the country. They feel they should host the conference championship. I'm sure if two lane loses game on the twelfth or tulsa lose it. I knew it if toll saying that's the new operate toll sane doesn't get those two game on the twelfth. I'm sure they would want the conference championship but their place. So that's that would be the interesting caveat to me. But i mean we just saw the. Acc do it like protect your investment here if your investment is two teams in the top twenty five in the alternative is playing back to back weeks with covid with everything going onto you really want to take the risk of playing that game on the twelfth and then on the fourteenth one team has an outbreak and now you can't play your championship game or do you want to do everything you can to make sure both teams are as ready to go as humanly possible on the nineteenth. I think that's an interesting Conversation that they're having at the afc headquarters. I think now in dallas so yeah fort worth four. Yeah so so. The thing about that though is the acc to schools in the top. Four right yeah not trying to get both in their in but as of tonight. They're in the top four right so the only way one of them's gonna get bumped out is if clemson loses again right or if notre dame were to lose again or lose twice which now can't happen or if clemson beats them emphatically so you're you're scraping off games and now you're reducing the possibility basically eliminating the possibility that that's going to happen with with notre dame and they can only now lose to clemson lose have coming up right so but there are teams are in the afc as relates to cincinnati specifically. Uc's not in right so to me you have to weigh does. Does you see need as many data points as possible to make a case because the thing that cincinnati was always going to have an abundance of games possibly eleven. Now that's not going to happen so as many as ten. If you don't stage this game against tulsa and then just jumped right to the conference championship game. You remove a data point at the same time. Let's say you see loses to back to back times now. You're you're league is losing possibly chance at a new year six bowl. So i i get it i get it from. Cincinnati perspective specifically uc. Who as a fan. Who harbours hopes that they make the top four. I see less value in not playing next saturday. Then i think that the league office may yeah. I mean i guess i just wonder what what data point to you. Gain by beating toll sane twice it. Does it really because if you beat them on the twelfth guess what. They're not to be ranked anymore. So does beating them again on the nineteenth really change much of anything or is that one game the data point that you need because you can say we top twenty five tulsa and not you beat top twenty five tulsa on december twelfth. Well guess what that means on. December nineteenth tells us not a top twenty five team when you play the conference championship game. So i think there's a couple of different ways to look at it. I get it from from you know pretty much every side if the asked the kids i'm sure they wanna play Is that the smart thing to do right now. I don't know strategically. But like i said i. I'm not adamant one way or the other. You know what i mean. I don't i have a strong take on whether they should or shouldn't play the conference championship game. I just think it's something that needs to be discussed by the brilliant minds that run the american athletic conference. we'll We'll see on sunday. Thank you as always all right. Thanks chad brindell. Bearcat journal dot com. Make sure you follow him on. Twitter at chad brindell. Speaking of the college football playoff. I i know what i would do if i was the big ten what it is next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Those cincinnati bengals you. 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We're all in college sports really in all sports. We're just kind of making things up as we go along. Ravens and steelers did that yesterday. They played at three forty on a wednesday afternoon. After wanting basically went almost two weeks without practicing college football college basketball. We have games just being added west. Virginia gonzaga just showed up last night. There it is. Bob huggins on the screen. The crawl on espn gonzaga needed a game. West virginia went blame them. It's kind of a fun game to watch we're gonna get. Byu in coastal carolina because liberty can't play byu is slid into play coastal carolina. We're making things up as we go along right. The pac twelve and the mac and the big ten weren't gonna play but but now all three leagues have chosen to play and the big ten. I think more specifically than those other two have really thrust themselves into the conversation about who's going to play for a national championship so ohio state season. They played four games big ten when they decided to play said arbitrarily randomly. You gotta play six games to qualify for a big ten championship. No rhyme or reason just six just got to play six. They've got two remaining. They've played for at michigan state and then home for michigan michigan's paused activities. Their game this week has been canceled. Ohio's didn't play last week. they do play this week. they're trying to field a team. If you're going to be there so berry alvarez. The athletic director wisconsin longtime coach of the badgers was sort of making the rounds yesterday floating. Hey look we should let. Ohio state compete for a big ten championship. Let's let's get rid of that minimal. I would have no issue with that. Now i get it i come. From the standpoint of uc fan right as a uc fan. Sure i want anything anything that could somehow squeeze you see into the college football playoff i. I'm i'm not ashamed. I'm not too proud to admit whatever has to happen now. i don't want. I don't want covid to cancel these games. Because i don't want people getting sick. I want people's health being compromised for the sake of my team winning. But beyond that i'm kinda four and admitted man if you're a bear cats fan. I'll do it play for a national championship. Signed me up. But if i ran the big ten care about uc care about the american athletic conference. I don't care about the pac twelve or the sec mountain west. I don't care about anything but our membership. Now would you get some pushback from the people who run the athletic departments at indiana yeah. I'm sure i'm sure i you. If if if the big ten if it was just agreed. Okay we're we're we're gonna make ohio state eligible for the big ten championship game. Indiana would be next in line in the in the east division. Really the only team that would would have a claim they're five and one obviously only lost to ohio state. unfortunately michael panics. Junior has got injured but if ohio states not eligible then. There's you theoretically if we're just sort of randomly making up rules here. If you're the big ten you could say well actually instead northwestern iowa gonna play for national or conference championship even though they're in the same division. But the the overriding point for me is if i ran the big ten. I want one of my schools in the college. Football playoff and if that happening is enhanced by our one unbeaten team playing for a conference championship. I'll do it. I've got to get everybody in the conference on board. I guess but the gripes within my conference. I can handle that. I can legislate. That's my job. If i'm running the big ten. I i can do that. Stuff can be brokered. Everybody in the big ten can vote on that if that's not a popular decision texas tech. I'm sorry texas amer florida or the university of cincinnati. Don't care i mean honestly as much as yeah. There's nothing i would enjoy more than seeing you see in the college football playoff. If we're all just sort of making this season's all being made up as we go along. I mean let's let's be. Let's be completely honest. We're happy to college. Football is pen fed. That's a fact. That's a credit card purchases. Give me cash back fat. No one else gets these rewards in turn nation sir fits parakeets awards card isn't just for military members anyone can get cash back on all purchases figgins. You've ruined my favorite song. Pinhead credit union visit penn dot org slash power cash to receive any advertise product. You must become a member of pen fed insured by. Ncua for you. Food is out there. I'm unwrapping a madonna steak egg and cheese bagel look at stake and a juice run downside. Go little bit on rapper. Here and then. A fluffy egg and rail cheese folded oversaw looking. Just so good Grilled onions on a butter bego. Two thumbs offer mcdonnell steak egg and cheese bagel for breakfast love it more baba payment donald's here but compared to a normal season. This is kind of farcical. Let's let's go ahead and admit that this is sort of sickle. Byu coastal carolina are gonna play on three days notice by the way somebody pointed this out. I think it was bearcat journals twitter feed. I don't have to hear any more about how well we have to schedule. These games twenty two years in advance games are just to be thrown together in real time with very short notice. We have schools. Have conferences deciding where we're not. We're not gonna have season. Yeah we are going to have a season and then randomly arbitrarily. That's a six game minimum. Well now there's new information things change based on new information. I have no issue at all if the big ten decided. Yeah ohio state. First of all ohio state. I do hope. They played their final two regular season games. But if they don't in the big ten said yeah you know what it's best for us. It is better for us as a conference to have ohio state undefeated even with just four games. It is better for us to have them in the conference championship game. I'd have no issue with that now. The college football playoff committee can still say yeah. We're not bringing you in the top four. I mean i don't think that would happen. They can do that. They can say what you only still played five games if counted the four plus the big ten championship game with the college. Football playoff committee does is completely independent. Of what a conference would decide to do. But the big tents responsibility is to itself to me. It's like when the team runs up. The score team runs up the score. We always feel really bad for whoever got the score. Run up against right well. The coach of the team that ran up the score his or her responsibility is to their team. Not the team that got rounded up on right. If the miami dolphins beat the bengals thirty eight zip this week and with five minutes to go attempt an onside kick. Brian floors has no responsibility to zac taylor or to the bengals to their players. His responsibility is to his. Is john brennan and travis. Steel are going to play against each other this week. Right john brennan's responsibilities. His guys travis steals his guys. The guy i don't like it too bad. The people who are on the big ten their responsibilities to their league membership. They make a decision. That's unpopular with their membership. That's for them to clean up. But if they were. I say this is a uc guy. If they were say look new information. Things have changed. Ohio state didn't lose a game. Yeah we only played for the sixth. That number is random arbitrary. We just kind of made it up made it up about a month ago month and a half ago you know what we're going to let them play for a conference championship honest with you. I have no issue whatsoever would would folks on the outside cry about undeniably. I've already gotten text from. Uc fans who are like me. And they're going to do this aren't they. Like yeah big. Ten didn't have any responsibility to the american athletic conference. Don't have any responsibility to. Uc is kinda cheap shore. Kind of farcical. Yeah what you care if you ran the big ten. If you were running the big ten with jew care. They're going to criticize me on the outside. That's cool our conference has a better chance of cashing a cheque. Because we have a team in the college. Football playoff of ohio state plays for a conference championship and i would have no issue whatsoever that number of six minimum. It's not like this long standing thing where it's forever. It's been six. That number was made up seven weeks ago. Sports in two thousand and twenty means adjusting on the fly rules being made up on the fly about three hours before the first baseball game in two thousand twenty. Rob manfred decided. We're having more playoff teams. By the way that helped the reds only reason. They made it all right fine. So we're just kind of randomly making stuff up here. The nfl may at a playoff team per conference. Just of making stuff up. There's nothing sacred about seven nothing sacred about six nothing sacred about six in the big ten so if they do that i will be honest with you man. I'm i'm not going to be upset about it. I get your taking care of yourself the end of the day. That's all we're doing right taking care of ourselves. You need a conference championship. Game with ohio state in it. Do it do it now. The college football playoff selection committee can still go. Well you know what individual members could say five. Five games isn't enough and again. Hopefully they play and as you. And hopefully they play michigan. This is a moot point and frankly selfishly from a uc perspective. Hopefully an upset occurs and another series of things happen. Bearcats get in. I don't feel like their main competition. The buckeyes gets more. Florida and texas am but the big ten os. Nothing to anybody else. They owe to their membership to do. What's right by their membership if they decide and by the way this might be the wrong decision for their membership but if the decision is made yeah. We're getting rid of at six game. Minimum buckeyes are in the conference championship. Game it's fine. I have no problem with that whatsoever. Eighteen after four five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six bucks with the college. Football playoff has no minimum requirement. No minimum number of games. That's on them but who's to say. They wouldn't change their rules to based on new information. Ravens and steelers was not a masterpiece yesterday but it made me think of zac taylor tell you why next on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station corporation presents football in the net brought to you in part by papa. John's pizza on espn fifteen thirty. The official home of the bengals. Dan lebatardshow leading. Espn january four walk. New lineup began to move up. Mike greenberg to Ten the new on and scott. Arkansas pay shows going to be on in greenburgh spa. No more dan le batard starting He's gonna do. We're playing back. That s opposite what we're doing. Okay and there us everything. Alright we good. That is everything cool long week. I know it has been alays. Dan lebatardshow leaving where he goes. I have no alike. Dan show what are we do a phone call twenty three four five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven exit dan class skins in about twenty minutes and a thought on yesterday's ravens steelers game as it relates to the bengals and their head coach. But i. Dennis is calling from fayetteville hide dennis. Are you doing great thanks long time listener first-time caller has to have you. Hey man Bill for a couple of years on iheart and Do a great job. Yeah that's very nice. You thanks so much but here. I got an idea i think. Solve some of our problems. Now i have a big time. I grew up in ohio. now. I live in georgia. Rose knee i here the sec. Country and I but also graduated. I also graduated xavier and eighty eight with With very large and the thing is byron. I'm sorry it's very the brother. But i've always been ohio teams though i was a fan. I always cheer for cincinnati as long as we're not plans eight or a of state. And that's how i roll. Here's an idea michigan's not gonna play next week. You know they say they're shutting out and they're not gonna play. We know that live. Have somebody from the american conference. The big ten get together and say. Here's what we're gonna do. The buckeyes play the bearcats next week for all the marbles. Basically buckeyes win. They've got a top ten win against the cats Their cats win boom. They've got a top ten. Win against the buckeyes and that. That'll push the buckeyes probably out of the college football playoffs. So you know it's a winner-take-all in this crazy year why not so from a from a uc perspective. Yes sure we have a lot to gain by beating ohio state and if we beat them. There's a really good chance. We leapfrog. Florida tech cena in the buckeyes and we are in. Were there from ohio states perspective there already in their ranked number four. They're not gonna drop by losing because they're not playing. I mean to me. It sort of illustrates. We're where we are and why this is such a weird year. We have a lot of teams not playing the rankings went unchanged this week. Cincinnati didn't play. They didn't fall. ohio state. didn't play didn't fall games. Are being canceled. Teams aren't getting punished for not playing games. Were whacked in the acc. Clemson notre dame get a free pass basically to the conference championship game. They're not punished because they didn't play. A notre dame did play played north carolina and clemson played pitt. But this week. I think they all right. We're not gonna play. We're not gonna get bumped out if you're ohio. State your in the top four. Why do you wanna play a team that you feel like would would you lost him. It's gonna knock you out of the four honestly in my opinion. I don't think. I think he's gonna drop them if they'll play vip from how michigan state canceled this weekend and then they don't play the following weekend. I don't think that the committee is going to continue. Push them at the number four. They're gonna start dropping the buckeyes. You have to write this of validity to that now from a big ten perspective. Why then wouldn't you say. Look all right. Our team needs to play more than more than who we play. We need to play. We need to have ohio state. Play a game well. There's a lot of schools in the big ten that you could pick from right so if michigan canco next week grab somebody else grab iowa. Grab wisconsin grab and if you have to shake up your schedule you shake up your schedule. It's two thousand twenty. Schedules are being disrupted. If you're the big ten why can't you just do that. With ohio state and say all right. We're gonna find we're gonna we're gonna slap together a game between ohio state and somebody else in our league which a ohio state is likely to win be beats not playing. I don't think they're going to get punished for winning a game. So let's let's keep the money in house. Let's keep the games in house. Let's do the best. We can to protect our biggest investment. Which is ohio state instead of having them go rogue and playing a school like cincinnati. Well as a buckeye fan. I agree with you. I i would do that but as kind of a fun. Football fan would be a blast. Yes the buckeyes. America sure hopefully hopefully more fun from my standpoint than it was when the two schools play last year. But yeah i mean look it would be effectively a play in game an enormous opportunity for for uc. I just. I don't know that ohio state needs to do that. And my guess is the big ten would say. Look if you're that desperate to play we'll put a game on the schedule for you. We'll find somebody in and if we have to cancel a game elsewhere will give you an opponent to play. That can happen when surprise me if it did. That's awesome. that's awesome man great. I appreciate it. Thank you nice to have you with us. twenty-seven after four o'clock i mean in this weird year where on a on a day to day basis. We are seeing games get cancelled and now added and schedules getting totally thrown out of whack. Not just in college football. Would it be the worst thing in the world if you know they. They came up with another game for ohio state to play. I think it would be the beginning. The original point for me is just on their eligibility for the conference championship game. I wouldn't have an issue if the big ten said you know what that minimum number of six. We've got new information. We're getting rid of that. That was random set in stone. We just sort of throw that out there to begin with like were they come up with six anyway. Like why not five. Why not seven on eight. What to you could change things we've seen adaptability and change our themes of two thousand and twenty. I didn't get a chance to watch much in real time. Steelers v ravens. I saw enough today. John harbaugh looked awful at the end of the first half complaining about the pittsburgh steelers employing a tactic that he wants employed against the bengals when he had his players basically hugging bengals opponents during a punt to kill the clock. Pittsburgh was doing that. They were not assessed. A delay of game harbaugh lost his mind. His gay management first half was terrible. His team was also pretty much without everybody and they were more than competitive against a team. That is in the conversation of being the best in the nfl if it could go wrong for the baltimore ravens and some of this might have been self-induced by the clubs. And the individual's reluctance to adhere to protocols for covid nineteen but if it could go wrong it did for the ravens for about a week and a half. They played without lamar jackson. They played without free offensive linemen. They played without multiple starters on defense. They go to pittsburgh and they're more than competitive. That's coaching pittsburgh. Obviously does it wasn't dealing with a full deck either and even less so after bud dupree got hurt yesterday but the baltimore. Ravens played hard. They look prepared. They were in the game. that's coaching no mark andrews. they're using. rg three. He leaves the game. Trace mcsorley has to play. They were in the game in the fourth quarter on a night in which are an afternoon. I should say ben. Roethlisberger threw at fifty one times. The pittsburgh steelers had twelve points going into the fourth quarter. They had no offense of touchdowns going into the fourth quarter. That's coaching so. This is simple as we assess. Zac taylor tony. Pike brought up to me today on cincy three sixty that. If you go to bed online zac. Taylor is now on. The board. tend to want to be the next head coach to lose his job. I don't think that's going to happen. I just ask yourself this. Can you gain a tactical advantage with zac taylor over john harbaugh twice a year. Can you gain a motivational advantage. Was zac taylor over mike. Tomlin toys noisier. If what the baltimore ravens had to deal with with something. Cincinnati bengals had to confront and. I certainly hope that after this year. We never have to deal with games like this ever again but if things were chaotic and even just a couple of hours before the game they were playing and guys are being added to the covert list. And you're using backup quarterbacks and look their roster is better. ask yourself this would zac. Taylor still gives a punchers chance to win. If the answers to those questions are no what are we doing and to me. That's those those two franchises their coaching staffs are the standard and the coordinators obviously have a lot to do with it as well. Can you gain an advantage over those coaching staffs with what the bengals have on their coaching staff and that starts with the head coach. I think we all knew coming in that ravens steelers game. It wasn't unreasonable to think that baltimore could win. Why coaching preparation effort. All that stuff. All that stuff none of which are reading or hearing about here if they had to postpone a bengals game three times in a bunch of guys weren't available. Do we think this staff gives them a chance to win the game but the way the answer is yes okay. I'd like to know what that's based on. The answer is no then. What are we doing if the answer is no. Then tell me how this franchise is going to compete with franchises like the ravens and steelers always relevant. Always good always competitive. Always tough to be in a normal year or even when like this twenty-seven away from five o'clock five three seven four nine fifteen thirty inevitable news but good news involving joe burrow next on. Espn fifteen thirty. You've been listening to football and manetti presented by rdi corporation on espn fifteen. Thirty the official home of ingles twenty one minutes away from five o'clock i'm allegra. Local sports is service of kelsey chevrolet. Home of lifetime powertrain protection and guarantee credit approval from their family to yours for life kelsey chev- dot com just saw here from Jury tipton who was covered university of kentucky basketball for decades that the uk game against detroit mercy which was scheduled for last friday is going to be rescheduled for december the fifteenth at five pm. That's tuesday taryn. Means a thirty minute. Show for us on the fifteenth five pm. Ninety minute pre game show right there. You go programming note. A more importantly bengals announced. That's important if you're a kentucky fan it's important for tara like not even a half day done at three thirty if we were allowed to go hang out of places. We go do that. joe burrow has had successful surgery on his knee that according to the cincinnati bengals according to a ben baby of espn auden. Tate is going to have a surgery on tuesday on his shoulder on injured against the new york giants. So dr james andrews will perform that surgery according to To ban bengals getting set to take on the miami dolphins on sunday. At one o'clock you'll hear the game live on. Espn fifteen thirty with pre game coverage beginning at nine. O five the a travis. Steel radio show is tonight on fifty five care. See you could hear that. Starting at Seven oh five. We have college basketball tonight on. Espn fifteen thirty. In fact rick growing is going to join us at five. Oh five the in k. u. Norse are in action this evening. And they're going to be playing tennessee tech who stays in town after getting hammered by xavier last night. That game will start at six o'clock. I'm just the tip. Time for these games are so weird. So i'm like you know we have a ninety minute. Pre-game show so kentucky goes at seven. We're done at five thirty five. Th doesn't have ninety minutes show. We're off at five thirty for their pre game show. But the game's going to be sick so could not be more prepared Nineteen minutes away from five. O'clock money's mo egger five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty and eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six aright. It's week thirteen last week of the regular season for most fantasy football leagues. Dan class has advice for you next. Isn't that go. karts thing for this guy. Thirteen away from five o'clock this. Espn fifteen thirty. The who got her question though is germane. Especially if you're a fantasy football owner which i am and i think i'm in win in status in both leagues that i'm dan class. Kansas here's website is good sports info dot com. He is on twitter at dan classes. And we didn't get a chance to talk last week and it just occurred to me you wrote me an email and i never wrote back because i'm a jerk so i'm glad you're here this week I'm here every day. I wake up happy turkey day. Happy thanksgiving and i wanted to be thankful for mo- agar's life that's for sure Hopefully you could say the same. Let's let's talk about week. Thirteen gimme some players who are prime to finish the regular season big well last week other regular season most fantasy leagues. No and right. Now we're geared up for weeks fourteen through sixteen and three players. I think especially that could be league winning performers down the stretch. We'll start with aaron rodgers. I mean let's face it. He's already been a league winning performer. So far be five on the season. Qb one over the last five weeks. That should continue. He's got one of the easiest quarterback scheduled down the stretch as detroit carolina and tennessee. I really liked cam akers. The rookie was pretty over. Hyped coming into the season. A lot of people drafted him early and then cutting but It does appear that he's finally working his way out of that backfield mix. He had a nice game last week. Don't love the new england match up and fourteen but the jets and the seahawks follow. That should equal nice days. If he can't get to work to expect brandin cooks have no problems getting the workload and the targets now in houston will fuller a top ten fantasy receiver suspended for the rest of this season due to performance enhancing drugs. They'll even miss game one next year but right now. That leaves cooks is the main man and their team. But randall cobb on ira. Kenny stills so lots of targets come as matchups against chicago and the colts not so great but you get to the super bowl. He's got the bengals in week sixteen bow. Wow yeah so. We'll look at that by the way only time in a very long time anybody has mentioned the bengals and the super bowl in the same sense. So congratulations without crying. So congratulations for that week. Thirteen injuries when he got off highlight. Some of the big ones. I think for a fantasy josh jacobs right now a guy. I'm watching the practice reports. Coming out of las vegas today. The raiders star running back curtis ankle there and we twelve. His status question of the book. Booker could be a huge waiver wire pickups this week so wanna see how friday goes there down and cook better news with the vikings running back. He left last week's game with an ankle injury done. I expect him to get his reps limited. That couldn't a little bit more alexander madison but cook still they fantasy sports and in miami. We'll be myles gaskin. The team has until saturday to activate him a against the bengals there Salvin hock neds obviously been pretty good but if gaskins back and he gets that fool oh that is a really good spot for him. Todd gurley miss last week game. He's limited already. This week with the i got burned on playing his backup bryan so i'll probably avoid that situation. No matter what. David johnson the texans. We talk about no will fuller but they might get johnson back this week. Do johnson's done little and his return. So i expect david johnson and come in to be right back into that top fifteen p. Pr back and and the detroit. Too big injury. The andre swift exit leagues can cuss protocol. That they didn't get to play on thanksgiving but he did not practice today for an illness. We wanna see what that's all about. Kenny golladay has practicing weeks. He hasn't practice all this week and wondering why they didn't put him on injured reserve. He's likely again this week with the hip. Julio jones missed practice today you'll need to practice on friday and daniel gems. Obviously we all tell what happened there last week vs cincinnati. He somehow maybe has a chance to miss a little bit of time that but he's the practices weeks down here and week king glass skains get sports info. Dot com is the website. He is on twitter at dan class. Skins give me two starts in to sits bad roker cousin out this week. I know that sounds hard to swallow in such a critical point of the season but then attempts have been there thirty plus attempts now in three straight games. Qb seven over the last five weeks. Twelve passing touchdowns that's banned now. Get that feeling back over. Nineteen listen oh yeah the matchup against jacksonville. They're allowing the third most fantasy points. This season a league high twenty six five straight passes two hundred fifty yards or two touchdowns he becomes a six. I think he gets those mark. I love me raheem mostert this week. Two vs buffalo came back after four game. Absence is a pretty sizeable workload. Sixteen carries only got forty three yards but did score buffalo. They've allowed a touchdown to score or get hundred total yards and seven straight most. I think that's both this week. And then my ezekiel elliott target. Really sit him. I guess in a lotta season-long weeks man. This cowboy though line bennett is asked been devastated by injuries. And six games without that prescott only one touchdown for the gilead. He's only gone over eight. Pr points twice. And oh yeah. The ravens are pretty good even with. The injury is still just four rushing touchdowns running backs off season. I'm also sitting christian kirksey. Don't like that match up there against the rams and after that hot stretchy head you don't have ninety six yards. Not dis over the last three games so bench jimbo especially in games. That are important for your playoff spot. What are you gonna happening. Get sports info dot com. You always get my rankings over there. The podcast all the good stuff We're a little behind after the longest week in. Nfl history. Messing me up in my brain but lots of contact crank up. Between now and sunday's kickoff awesome stuff is always man. Thanks so much all right take care buddy. Enjoy your weekend you do. The same. Dan class is on twitter at dan's that dan classes and he is gonna website get sports info dot com week thirteen in the nfl week. Thirteen for fantasy football owners and in most leagues. The playoffs begin next week. Five point three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven two three seven seven six. We'll chat with rick growing on the crosstown shootout little. Ku basketball as well coming up at five. Oh five we have the papa. John's weekend tip off as we have the crosstown shootout on sunday. You'll hear from both john. Brennan and travis still will spend a few minutes on that. We're done at five thirty lots to get to between now then at seven from five on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station. It'll be me him in miami taylor's bengals head down to the sunshine state to duke it out with a dolphin can the orange complex spoil. Miami's postseason dreams. The coal from your uday buddies. Dan awarded dave lepper taught coverage begins sunday morning at nine on. Espn fifteen the we carry a show it. We're not going hear it tonight because we have an nba basketball spain and fits and what happened. That show is Sarah spain and i think that show's really good. I think jason pitts is awesome. I think sarah dozen is job and usually most wounds. I sit here and i watch. Tv are stunning. Standard definition television. We have here at espn fifteen. Two thousand and twenty watching tv and standard definite student. Doing but anyway. I saw i'm flipping around and sometimes i'll have games on. There's been a lot of college basketball. Games normally whatever's on. Espn often sitting here in the last hour of the show watching around the horn and pti and sarah. Spain is a panelist a frequent panelist on around the horn. And you need to watch this. Tearing turn it on their stains very good good writer. I like her radio show. I've never seen anybody on television. Talk without moving their head. What hurt now. It's ramona shelburne jr. She'll move her head a little bit whenever you watch sarah spain on nut. First time. i've noticed this. I don't know why compelled to talk about this now. A great segue to rip roaring. Who's gonna join us in. A second has probably other things that he's going to game the call on an hour but anyway it's uncanny whenever she talks. Her head never moves nothing about her. Her mouth wasn't moving. You would think she was a mannequin. Her head like ramona shelburne on right now everybody else right now. Nobody on this show is talking. Everybody else's moving sarah a statue. She didn't blink. You not know that she was even a human being. Her head is not moving. I don't know how you do that. That's really you have to practice that right. Is that something that dj delegation. Talk without your head. Moving rick boring is here Coming up at five thirty you'll hear the pre-game show as he and jim kelch bring u. n. k. u. basketball's. They get set to take on tennessee. Tech he is with us right now from. Bbn t arena. How you doing well. Here's the problem now. All i can think about during this interview is trying to talk without moving. Do it for the purposes of our conversation. First of all everybody's gonna look at you weird second of all it's impossible. Well first of all the only person near me as jim kelch because social distancing and all but maybe he can great on how. Well i do of moving my head not moving my head while i talk and i'll say through about ten seconds of it difficult. Yeah it's hard to do. It's it's really hard to do when you're on television right. Your job is to be animated in larger than life. And i thought who talks for a living. How do you do the moving your head. I really don't understand that. Well i don't understand it either. What have you got enka tonight. Rick is also in charge of musketeer. Report dot com. He's usually with us on wednesdays. But i haven't been on wednesday in about a month so we haven't had and that's that's not really my fault but i just thought i'd mention it. Let me let me talk about the musketeers. I because they've played five games. What have you learned about them. Well i've learned that they are a different team from last year. You know they've had some of the same issues. So i think that's kind of baid that hard to see at times but ultimately they are a different team and what i mean by that is. They're much more skilled. They're playing different offensively. The ball's moving much better. They're getting from side to side on offense much better as opposed to throwing one side then someone putting their head down and driving into a crowd. It's easier to watch now. The problem is through. Know three of those five games. They've shot it really poorly and that was the same issue they had last year. So they've got to be able to get some outside shooting going if they're going to have more success than they had a season ago. The issue with that is a lot of the guys. They're relying on to shoot our young players. And so you're probably going to be a little inconsistent in that regard so the e u game the head of billion turnovers They were getting fouled on every possession. But is there a blueprint there that you could press them into turning the ball over. Well i think that's one of the big concern right now. And i asked her a steel about it after the game. It's not that anyone thinks one item isn't going to be good because he looks really good for a freshman but the issue is if he faces a an instance like you game where he was clearly a little shell shocked turnovers early and for whatever reason he just couldn't settle ended up with seven or eight turnovers in that game. What do you have after that to run your team. Can you still get into your offense. Will anyone make plays to make anyone else better. And in that game. The answer was no. Paul scruggs had one of his worst games maybe his worst game of year so and he hasn't been very good to start this season but then the other thing is kiki tandy really hasn't shown that he can be a point guard. That can get you in your offense and make guys better either. So that's probably my biggest concern for this team. Right now is if they face a team like you. See for instance john brennan. I'll throw a little run jumped presence you can. Can they handle that. If doin odem struggles early. And i think that's something to watch not only the down. Shoot up for this team going forward in general. You mentioned paul scruggs. He's supposed to be this teams best player. I don't think he's been bad but he hasn't been there their best player. What's been missing. The biggest thing is shooting mean proscribed. A thirty seven percent three point shooter has been each of the last two seasons where he's gotten significant minutes. He's very consistent. And who is as a player and so far. You just haven't gotten that shooting now. There's been a game or two. The one i mentioned where he hasn't been great in terms of making plays and taking care of the ball but for the most part he's actually doing a better job of those things. I think him more than anyone on the team has benefited from the new offense where they are a little more spread out. There's more creases. the drive. Every team isn't putting ten feet in the paint and just clogging the lane on him and he's an athletic guy who likes to get to the rim draw fouls so that has helped him. I think offensively but if you could get back to shooting like you normally shoots at about thirty seven percent from beyond the arc. I think that's the biggest thing for xavier right now so for me as as specifically as it relates to the game on sunday this is no pun intended. The x factor to me has always been fremantle. I remember talking about this game with somebody two weeks ago. I i just. I don't think cincinnati has a guy like that at least not yet i don't think they have is at fremantle. There's been nothing through five games. That's dissuaded me from that. I think his presence on the floor tilts me towards if you asked me to pig toward picking the musketeers richard skinner. I talked about that on our podcast today where we were trying to decide. And i think that's the if you asked me to make a pick and quite honestly i could see this game going any direction absolutely. Nothing would surprise me right now about these two teams but if you asked me to make an pick i would probably go slightly xavier favor and the only reason for that is one that they have the five games as opposed to only playing once but that zach freeman was the best player on the floor. And i think quite honestly if you're doing a fantasy draft with these two rosters. Paul scruggs is the next player. You taking night draft so observers. Got the bus to players on the floor. I'm going to give them the slight edge. But you know those guys have to play like the best players on the floor to and each of those guys have already taken themselves out of a game for technical fouls foul trouble as either. Can't afford that. no i and i would i. Would i would agree. I would agree wholeheartedly with that assessment. You and i are on the same page. I'll take that have a pretty smart guy no not at all. Have you moved your head yet. Oh yeah i've been all over the place valid impossible. I don't know how she does. Not a robot million she is. She's not on tv right now. She was moving. Her hands are a little bit talking about something. While while you were discussing. Paul scruggs this this n k. You team they're playing tennessee tech. They're not very good. They do get a bunch of guys in double figures against ball state. They eke out a win. What can you tell me about what you learned. After forty minutes from the north. We'll have a team that has to replace a whole lot. And i think what we learned is they're going to do it with some young guys. That was the most exciting thing from the first game on you. Look you look at mark was work. Who ended up getting horizon league freshman of the week. He's scored fourteen points in the first half now. He went ice cold in the second half but he was also being asked to carry the entire offense on his shoulder because trayvon faulkner was out with cramps in that second half. So i think nothing but positive vibes coming from the debut of marquis work and then another guy that i was really impressed with trae robinson six freshmen who can really handle the ball and make plays especially coming off ball screens. I think those two guys are going to get huge minutes and david bam another freshman. Who's really skilled. He didn't he got off to a little bit of a sluggish. Start there in that game against ball state but the coaching staff is really high on him as well. I do you think it's a situation where tennessee tech is like. Look we're gonna. We're gonna keep some bullets in the chamber. We're not going to intimate against the musketeers. And now we're going to be ready to fire on all cylinders against the norse. I don't know if that's quite the case. But i will say i don't think tennessee. Tech team is horrible. They've got some some young guys their issues. They're young they're jump pelfrey trying to restock that program and get his guys in there. The guys that he is brought in are very talented. They have a pair of freshmen. That i watched last night. I thought were very good against aviator and i'm interested in what they do against guys. That are a little more their level of talent. Athleticism tonight here. I think it actually be an interesting game. I'll be i. I like you jim together and i'll be listening on my way home. I appreciate that thank you. Very welcome will chat soon sounds. I'm not here next wednesday. So i have no idea when it's going to happen but normally are with us on wednesdays and except when i'm not here then i know control over. Who's but then we'll talk at some point probably next week. We'll bother you. maybe it'll be awake for it. It'll be great. Hey enjoy the crosstown shootout. Do my best rick. Boring and jim kelch have n. k. u. n. tennessee tech. That game took off at six o'clock. Pregame show starts as soon as we're done at five thirty four minutes after five o'clock big news days. This joe burrow had successful knee surgery today. Cliche to say it but you never get releases about unsuccessful knee surgery his leg still attached his knees gonna be okay and now the road to recovery and rehab begins so that's a step in the right direction. Spent some time on that. And and you'll hear from john. Brennan and travis deal as we get set for sunday's crosstown shootout skyline chili crosstown shootout. It's the papa. John's we tip off next. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station football the rotea with part by cme pipeline and sewer repair and by skyline chili on espn fifteen. Thirty the official home of the nineteen minutes after five o'clock this is espn fifteen thirty. My name's mulligan hoops. Coming up in ten minutes north. Taking on tennessee tech big bengals news of the day involves joe burrow who had successful knee surgery today that according to the team by the way it's also worth pointing out. Espn's ben baby is reporting that auden tate the wide receiver who was injured. Her shoulder against the new york. Giants is going to have surgery on tuesday but the big news obviously involves a joe burrow. And look for for for me what we are. Going to incredibly scrutinize joe. Burrow's recovery and rehab and this is in many respects. This is a really interesting and important. Offseason for the bengals and that goes without saying whenever you were coming off a crappy year and that's the kind of year the bengals are having it's a crappy year. It's a big off season. But i mean really the mechanics of what they do from coaching staff. Changes if there are any the draft to free agency to contracts. They signed guys to all of it takes a a major backseat to joe burrow. He he is the franchise and is he going to start week. One anybody who is operating with any degree of concrete confidence about that happening is kidding themselves. It's clearly something we hope for. None of us know and as much as we like to use the comparison game and say well no carson palmer came back. No two people and no to injuries are the same so who knows. Obviously it's something we're hoping for. Here's what can happen next season. The cincinnati bengals can't be in a position where whoever the backup quarterback is. We know gives them no chance to win. And we know ryan finley gives them no chance to win. The cincinnati bengals themselves. The coaching staff is telling you ryan finley gives them no chance to win and brandon allen. Gives them no chance to win these last five games. I mean let's be honest. The level of interest isn't there because first of all the team is not in the postseason race second of all. We just kind of assume they're going to lose all of them. There are eleven and a half point dogs against miami. The miami dolphins are good. But what are we doing. Eleven and a half points next season. You have to be in a position that if you're backup quarterback plays you've gotta shop. Hopefully he never does the idea. This season was clearly not for ryan finley or brandon play but it says something about the people who are behind joe burrow on the depth chart that the moment we saw the joe burrow was going to be able to play aside from the sort of emotional devastation of him getting hurt and the concern over his health and the inevitable drop off between the starter the backup we just all kind of assume ryan finley gives them no chance to win. We're going to do the same thing with brandon. Allen is two guys. Can't be your backup quarterbacks next year for a bunch of different reasons not the most important is you've got to have somebody that gives you a punchers chance right. That gives you a shot to function to be. Okay now. Obviously backup quarterback on a good team gives that team a better chance to function than a backup quarterback in a bad team like this one but still. Aj mccarron got his shot in two thousand fifteen on a really good team so he had a better chance to succeed. But as much as i made fun of aj mccarron guy over his last couple of seasons with the bengals. You always felt like that guy has to play team's gonna be alright. Next season this franchise need somebody that if you have to put them in the game are going be okay. Is that a big name like cam. Newton is is that somebody who's been here before like an andy dalton. That's somebody who's prime as well past like a joe flacco. I just throwing out names. That that resonated. It doesn't make sense to talk about obscure backup. Quarterbacks chances are none of those dudes going to be bengals next year but in particular. Now if you're dealing with the very distinct possibility that your starter can't go week one and you're trying to win football games next year you need to be better at that position and this offseason this past off season the bengals were very cavalier. Very dismissive about that position and as bad as the rest of the roster as bad as bad shape the rest of the the rest of the roster is right now that that can't continue to happen twenty four minutes after five o'clock meanwhile we've got the crosstown shootout on sunday time for the weekend tip off. It is a service of your locally owned and operated papagiannis tours right now. if you're gonna papa. John's dot com. Check out using promo code sin. Thirteen ninety nine that c. I n thirteen ninety nine and you can get any large specialty pizza or any large pizza with up to five toppings for just thirteen ninety nine. I did this. We're going music for the papa. John's weekend tip off. I did this this week. I went pepperoni sausage. Bacon onion banana peppers. Go get a d. On the side as well sin. Thirteen nine papa. John's dot com. When you check out face it in this area and nothing against any other program one game matters. It's on sunday. It's uc xavier. The crosstown shootout tip off three o'clock fifth third arena. Is the place. John brennan crosstown shootout number two season number two last night. His team comes from behind their data by nine with about thirteen minutes ago. They end winning by twelve and bearcats lipscomb sixty seven to fifty five. They do it on a night in which keith williams was not very good. Here's the ucla head coach. How team looked on night. One excited about the victory certainly look like the first game of the year. I how we played somebody else a jagged throughout the game. I told her guys. It's through i media. I prepared them for for the zone pressure. So cat for the played much of that. He played mostly man and a come prepared enough for so as more meat terms. Neither approach that we took very little scouting. Tatum played mostly. They came inside the change. Defenses and done to play certainly didn't a lot of that during last season john brennan after last night's game cincinnati wins sixty seven to fifty five. The bear. cats are one a win these season opener for the first time since november of two thousand seventeen meanwhile xavier easy. Last night i Easy game since the season opener dogfights their previous three last night anything but a route winning by thirty one over tennessee. Tech musketeers are five. They played five games. That to me is the story line of team that played five times versus the team. That's played one here's x. You head coach travis. Steel and how his team perform last night. Far tat goes thought guys had a lot more energy tonight. Tell leading in. Our shootaround made two guys. You always have to honor the game grace. The process the lead up to every single game. I know we've had five games and five days some days. We don't you know we're not even ever go up their practice because we're short handed right now and in our guys are have been time but you got to be able to get those mental rams. I thought our guys. I tell really listened to my message. After he came to practice yesterday was really sharp. Walked through today. it's really really sharp. I thought we carry over them. See that so it really is a team that played five times against the team. That's played once. The homecourt advantage is largely mitigated by the fact that there's basically no fans fifth third arena. And that makes it really adds a dimension of. I think interest to this game but i don't know right now i mean i don't know about the bearcats. They played forty minutes. They get a win tonight when the guy who's supposed to be their best player wasn't very good at that it was encouraging the three sophomores certainly looked better davenport's energy translated into game changing plays zach. Harvey played with confidence and mike adams woods was very good last night. But i don't know i do know exact fremantle through five games has been xavier's best player and i don't know that right now. Cincinnati has a guy like him. So i'm i'm not that comfortable picking a winner because there's just too many unknown variables. But if you made me i would say the team that has at fremantle. On it has the advantage and obviously. That's the road team on sunday. I gotta go papa. John's weekend office of papa. John's sin thirteen ninety nine. Get any five topping pizza for thirteen. Ninety nine you're going to be good to go We have to go. Jim kelch and a recurring have an ku basketball next. Thank you so much for listening. Have a great night. 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Starting 9 Episode 213 - Joc Pederson

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Starting 9 Episode 213 - Joc Pederson

"Welcome back to starting night. Galls who thirteen. We are in december. I don't know how we got here. Is it's been a weird. I mean it's been a weird year for everybody. But i feel like in in the baseball space. I don't know it feels like hear me out. all here. opening day feels closer in my brain than the world series. Does that makes sense. Yeah reason what it makes in my mind than world series you to know why you know. I think it feels that way. And i don't know how much of this is true but it feels as much as we anticipated the postseason as much as we anticipated the playoffs. And all that stuff it almost feels like as an industry wants it was over. Everybody collectively went flock. Thank god it's over like okay. Let's celebrate the winners great dodgers. They did it. They got it done. Done it done it a while ago years in a row. Whatever pool is everybody live. let's take stock. everybody good everybody. Okay craziness over fucking. Let's forget it like. Let's let's forget what happened. Let's just move on. Let's get ready for another baseball season. Maybe this one will be normal. So let's accept what happened. We can remember enjoy it. That's great the banners will hang But none of it was normal from start to finish and so it almost felt like it's a relief. Having the season having been completed we have the world series champion and we can just put the season to bed. And i don't know how much you want to go back and dig through this season about pool. Shit that happens you that didn't happen. There just wasn't enough time for maybe a lot of the storylines to unfold. It was a very quick season. You didn't have time to take stock of anything. It was here and it was gone before you know it which is crazy to think about because it took for fucking ever going. Yeah one of the coolest stories. Though from the season was was daniel bard and all the coolest. I reached out to see if he wants to do the podcast. I haven't heard back. But that's that's one of those dudes where you wanna get his story from his perspective on the record like that's something that Like for for him because for him. Do think it's taking somebody out of time machine like you've been cryogenically frozen for a fucking decade and we thought y'all and then plug. You're right back into baseball. And hey how's it going. Yeah like like he showed up in a world where he doesn't have to pay like he's not he's not paying clubs dues right. He's not what does he live in like. This is totally foreign to him on top of three better minimum. And things like that. So it's almost like He's been thrust back into a baseball world but so far removed from the one he remembers from the one he came from that. He's allowed to sort of adapt on the fly and not have to make any massive adjustments. Because he's like well fuck. I've done this for a decade. I remember what it was like. But this is what it's like. Now guess what i still throw hundred are pretty sure. That's still place and now i know where it's going. Guess who's it bucket trouble. I feel like that's one. I'm going to have to circle back on. There's sometimes will reach out to guys and like hey you interested in here backing and it's like well whatever bar it's like no no no. Are you interested. We wanna go on like this is a story that needs to be told so. We got treat him differently. We need to let him know that. It's not like no. He doesn't have a choice in this. Well you have to be all you. You have to come. You owed this. I have a smile on my face. When i'm saying this but part of me talking cheek like you owe this two guys who've been in your spot you otis two guys who might be wondering is it. Is it the insurance office from here for me or or can i invested in myself. Can i try to. Can i try to route out this wheel again. Can i do it and if you listen to his story. The answer's yes and maybe just maybe if somebody else. Who's battling that or anywhere along. That same path is he was. Here's what he's talking about. Maybe that unlocks something for them and they can give it everything they have and now circling back in the dream world like he. Was you dallas. No it's absolutely not me. It's absolutely not me no bedouin to write years. Shit would play better now than ever like. You got all these news coming out of the pen throwing fucking ninety eight and it's like here comes dallas with three with a little bit of break on it and then hitters. What was that. If so then i could be. I could reinvent myself and become three batter. Minimum louis where it's like. Look all right this. He's got face three hitters and we're hoping he can get one of these fuckers out the the run the lead right now we've got some cushion so if he gives up a couple here and he gets one of those guys out fuck it. We knew that we had three runs to play with a. Hey he whittled it down me one run to play the no but we got the out at the league and you know what we're still fucking it. Yeah so i don't know teams are signing up for that guy but i could probably get myself into that guy sheep. I could be that dude. Yeah i mean if if if there are In the eighty tank right now i got eighty in the tank right now right now if if you if me give me. I don't know give me two months eighty four. Yeah easy easy. Yeah i mean greg. he's thrown. That shit's move at eighteen inches or whatever but nonetheless absolute invoked the power change. Yeah i mean. Look at jared weaver friend of this friend of the program by at the end there. I mean that's the shit. He was running out there. What do you want to know what i have. That's much better now than it was then. The mental game confidence. I just think way fucking better than ever. And that's probably pretty dangerous. Because i felt like i was good. Then putty the older you get the farther away from the game. You get the better. You were jared fucking great. Just never got. The shot never got the opportunities. That's all i feel like. That'd be great for the podcast. Dallas makes it back to the big leagues now. I feel like that'd be good for getting guests because it's like oh well we're teamates replay against each other. So it's now it's like a different bond that we have we do think our live shows would probably increase a lot. Yeah i mean if the eagles were smart it's like how do we get fans to come back out after the pandemic maybe you're a little nervous about comeback out and and gathering it's like oh we. We just resigned. dallas brayden. This is this is in the record books shared. I need you know this. This has been acknowledged. The memorabilia is certified. I am the only broadcaster in major league baseball history to start broadcasting a game and become the ball boy all in the same day. I believe that that happened. I believe i. I showed up to work starting to broadcast the game. I don't know. Hey guess what day off but what would you like to do. I'd like to do something a bucket. Here what do you got. Let's do something Who's the clube in oakland. Boots you You got some pants pants. Go grammy a unit can be one of them. Multiple catches lids. I'm going to be the ball boy. Are you sure can you do that. I can do that. You can do that are you. Sure yeah for sure. So strapped on the uni put on the hard hat took my ass down to the for the third base line and sat there in the bullpen for nine full innings and was the ball. Boy i mean that's no one else is doing nope. No one else is providing now. So i feel like the as kind of oh you one at least Like a one a one day contract to come back in. Just make one start. That was the i did. Sign a one day contract to come back and be the ball boy. A one day contract it was like it was it was formalities. Long story short. yes. I'm employed by the organization in a different capacity which allowed that moved to be made. Because if you're not employed by the organization then yeah there's some other red tape you gotta cut through and just a bunch of don't bullshit but yes we're we're very lucky and fortunate that i am a employ that i am paid by that team specifically so that i could go and do that Interesting what team do we do that. Within spring training was the braves maybe Was like some team like didn't want to put me in harms way. They're like that guy's reaction. Time doesn't look right. I'm not sure but yes. That was that was the that was the case is they just they didn't they weren't too sure about the athleticism they didn't have the insurance. I mean i have incredible quick twitch muscles i don't know if you've seen them I know i haven't been like four years or so still waiting on that exhibition of athleticism to rear. Its now it's there. It's there we talk about because we get jock. Peterson on the podcast. Today of the world series champion los angeles dodgers. And you know. I was kinda thinking about it because we got asked like by the social team put together like five three agency picks or whatever like throw your predictions and i saw that you went our padres. I like well. I can't double down and go. Bauer padres i mean. That's very conceivable that that could happen. But i was like all right. If he doesn't go to the padres. where does he go. He goes to the dodgers right. I mean it's a possibility. I mean anything's by aided the trevor. Bauer checklist okay. Let's let's just go down the checklist again. Really quick one money. That's number one. I mean if you. He's talked about the one year. Deal thing you put a four. You put a four in front of a one year deal. He's taken it. But i think he's going to get the multi year deal right. So you got money you want. The momentum aspect will first of all to would be chance to win a world series in twenty twenty one. You got that with the dodgers. Three momento surround yourself with other stars competition visibility. Market yep The la market pretty huge. And then the obviously the arizona. Spring training is one of them because he wants to do the bar bites and everything like the dodgers check like the padres check every bauer box but the dodgers check every bauer box better. They have a better chance to win a world series. They have bigger name stars. They are a bigger market. it's they are in arizona for spring training and they have more money than the padres so they check all the same boxes but better but do the fancy themselves as a club who doesn't need a trevor bauer to get them over the hump and if if we're talking about winning championships you can win by one. Run every time and you still walk away the winner so is trevor bauer of creating more separation. That they feel like they already have in that division. If you're the dodgers or do they genuinely believe. Hey you know what. San diego is nipping. And we can't just stand idly by if we're going to do what we wanna do and solidify ourselves as the daddy in the division. Did we cannot let a guy like trevor bauer. Go to another club right. Who could have something to say about what we want to death. And so is right. And that's where the competition comes. In between san diego and los angeles is because you see what you have in san diego in terms of resources in terms of the star power or the star power in waiting so trevor bauer and my mind fits the san diego narrative as the guy who can help build the army to take down the dodgers correct. That's to him but well that's see that's where i want to dive into like because that's who i was like. That's how i rolled and showing into the yankees wanted him to and he was fuck you he wants. I wanna i kinda wanna be on the team that takes down like the big bad Yes yes and when. I say that's how i was not learned the big league level when schools when i finally passed my fucking math class and division one eligibility was a thing and all those schools come colin. Well i remembered the one school the big name school. Who was there from the very beginning and they were in the division that was competing against these other teams are always other schools who just started calling at the very last minute because eligibility there. Well you know what i realized. I'm going to get to play those teams. And i want to be a part of something that shows. This is who i am. I'm not just another number on this team. I'm not just another arm in that. Rotation i come here on the friday night guy here and i get to compete against those dudes so if my future is what i'm thinking about i don't want to be on your fucking team i want to be on the mound shoving it up your ass because you've got the eyeballs on you. You're the one bringing the scouts in. Guess what they're not going to get to see me if i'm on your team but if i'm on the mound staring new down they're going to get nine innings your boy from the to own i i think i think there is an element of that with bauer. But like i said it's you know when you're talking about like the two top suitors and it's San diego and la. You ask the question. The dodgers really need trevor bauer to win the world series again in twenty twenty one. No no i don't think so but do you want to prevent bauer from going to your biggest competition within the division and in the national league. Yeah you probably do. So that's where they enter the conversation and don't let the sixty game shortened season cloud your judgment because i know we were really excited about the competition within that division but if we have six months to let this thing play out you think there's more separation or do you think it's closer. I believe there's more separation with the especially when you can with the dodgers especially when you consider You the met in clev- injuries. Yeah come on man so while while at the individual like oh we're right there it's right there you know it's not anywhere it doesn't look as bad as it does okay. Let's tack on two and a half four months. Yeah and then revisit that yeah and then how do you feel about that. Good point plus the padres are going to be sans clev- twenty one. Yeah i feel like if if you're seeing yego it's just such a perfect fit and you have to be aggressive though like you can't just be like. Oh well we make the most sense. So he's just gonna gradually figure that come to his senses and we'll be the team all also all say about. Trevor bauer and. I think a lot of people wanted to believe this. And maybe believe this to an extent with garrett cole but the truck record with trevor and his interaction with his teammates whether it's on the big side or the minor league side the track record is starting to speak for itself. And it's starting to be really where you need to go first and foremost when you think about or talk about trevor bauer or looking for opinions on trevor bauer. If i'm an organization and i'm thinking about what this dude is all about. I then have to think about what sort of impact he could have trimmed down effect. He could have on the other resources. I have other guys in my bigly rotation other guys. Who are knocking on the door of the big leagues trevor. Bauer has gone down. Time and time again and spent time with minor leaguers in cincinnati reds organization with the cleveland indians organization. With guys just wanna play catch in the offseason and figure some shit out and ask questions of a weirdo. Who knows nothing other than to try to get better at pitching. That's who trevor bowers. And if you're an organization who's getting ready to make a multi year four or five year commitment to an individual. That's trevor bauer. You have to start thinking about the residual effect of having him in your organization and what that could mean to other guys that you want to impact your big league team. I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're hiring the second pitching coach of the third pitching coach in trevor bauer. But i'm telling you that you're hired a guy that is pretty fucking comparable and he's wearing the same uni dudes so the message. The information the development of routine what to look for studying yourself studying opponents getting the lab and understanding how to get better. If you have a guy that can provide you with that. You have to think about that. You have to i. Would i absolutely would. Because if you're taking thirty minutes out of his day to have him just come and talk to your minor leaguers. You've already acknowledged that what he has to say could probably help. So then. why not take that next step further and think about bring him into a fold for four and five years and letting him do that organically. That's how you create a culture. So bowers is one of a hundred and eighty six free agents that entered the market after the world series. There are one hundred seventy five as of december first twelve thirty two. Pm eastern standard. That are still left on sign and then wednesday if you're listening to this What's say tuesday. So tomorrow is the non tender deadline so there could be. you know. it's a weird situation. Because of covid and teams that have financial burdens now and also just players that will be going through arbitration and will not be worth the figures that they would be do in arbitration interesting names. That could be out there. Dallas and i wanna get to those names but i i want to enjoy molson course all about deerfield. You're you're always on dallas. Yeah popped out at seven. Eleven eighty-three august thirteenth and the light switch has never been flipped out. There what do you. What do you do when you need a moment to chill. I've got. I've got some things. I've got some some approaches. Some technicality like we'll reset button to get ready for what's next dallas refreshment refresh because took about the word refresh right re fresh. You're doing it again. You're doing fresh again. Yeah that's what that means right and these days everything is go go go. It's nothing but nonstop hustle all the time work friends family. A million pressing social issues in expectation to be on twenty four seven. Sometimes you just need to take a moment turn off. Hit the reset. That's when you reach for cores lights made to chill. It is made to literally she'll there's only one beer out there that's literally made to chill in that as cores light so i mean if you if you ever go on my fridge i know you know that i don't. I don't cook so if you go my fridge. I mean find some cold cuts. maybe. But i'd say eighty percent of my fridge is occupied by cores. Lie are you. Are you can guy or are you a. Are you a draft guy or are you like a glass bottle guy. Oh man those are all. those are different attitudes. I believe those are different attitudes. They're not necessarily distinctions. And how you consume. I believe those are different attitude. A different mood. I think it's like a different. That's what i mean like. Read a pop pub or a speakeasy their draft me all day. Let's go if i'm at all sunday glass bottle and i was gonna say i was gonna say barbecue i can understand. Can you know but yes like barbecue walls. A ken bottle or maybe their cousin. Yeah can bottle mood. 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I'm just i'm just prefacing this by i mean this is his article kind of scanning through. I mean first and foremost so he. He put out this article today about potential non tender candidates and the thumbnail for the article is a picture of kris bryant. Who john hayman artie reported is going to be tendered. A contract so right off the bat. We're here we go anyways. There's some interesting names here in his article. About potential non tender. I mean he leads off with kris bryant. Who has already. It's already been reported that he's getting tender to contract. So i'd say kosh walker if we're talking about the cubs is the name gary sanchez he has. Could you see gary sanchez. Being non tendered. No i could not. I don't see. I mean. Brian cashman completely moves on at the very least you tend to him. You're the yankees like you're not in the position where they need to shed payroll. You don't wanna pay kris bryant. Twenty one million dollars and i mean in the cubs position of with kris bryant. What's gary making z. Making five million last year. It's fucking. I was going to say. He's not so that's yeah fuck. Yeah he's gonna seven and a half whatever so it's got to be eighty percent of what he made the year before so he will be making at least eighty percent of five million so he will with kris bryant. The cubs are in a position where they need to shed payroll and he'll be due in arbitration somewhere in the twenty one twenty two million dollar range. And that's i mean why he was a non tender candidate was because he's coming off a shit year and they don't want to be stuck paying him. Twenty one million dollars. And how movable is kris bryant on a one year deal for that rate so make sense why the cubs might entertain the idea of non tendering him gary sanchez. Yeah he sucks. But i mean for seven and a half million bucks. I mean you're gonna take your not his trade value having made five fighting arbitration. What he'll probably get okay. They he'll probably get a bump like seven eight million whatever so for that price. Who fucking cares you're the yankees could potentially have a forty home run hitter or you can just have a backup ship ship-bomb that that can't hit a beach ball of the fucking tennis racket. Doesn't matter mean you're you can light eight million dollars on fire if your house. Steinbrenner is not going to matter so gary sanchez. i'd say it was probably gonna get tendered. A contract Stephen matt's stephen matt's would be. Yeah i i. I would still four let. Yeah like he's probably gonna make about five million like you still tender him a contract for sure. The only reason like arms are different and this is where the conversation on the future of that individual within that specific organization has a huge impact because that could be a decision making point where right we tender him and go a different route taken to the bullpen or we tender him. and we. We've gotta get these benchmarks hit. We've to quit dick it around and we've got gotta get a foundation under this guy meaning. We gotta get a game plan in place. That's going to allow him to make twenty eight star thirty star. We gotta figure something out. So that's the difference with pitchers in i think position players. Maybe you entertain it like hey. Can we hide him. Here are their d. h. opportunities here. That's probably later in a position players career at every point in time in a pitcher's career it's about how they can maximize what you do. Well and if that is maximizing you in the rotation great if you haven't been someone that they've been able to get those starts out of haven't been able to keep you healthy. Then maybe they they look differently and say okay in a short burst. We'd like what we might have here. Maybe two innings out of the bullpen. Every two or three days is maximizing optimizing. What we have here. Are we prepared to make that adjustment with this individual. So they bring him back. You could be steve matt's into the bullpen. A steve matt's deployed out of the bullpen. From here on out and then they can make their decision going forward based on his production. I'm this is the most interesting name on the list for me and we just mentioned it couch warburg so schwarzer. A add quite down year in twenty twenty. He made seven million bucks. Or i mean before kobe. Seven million call it like nine and a half something like that in in arbitration and yes. He could benefit from the universal d. h. next year. But the only thing is we know that he's a disaster defensively. But if you're if you're a d h you have to hit and last year schwab ra- hit a buck. Eighty eight three hundred eight. Oh bp in seven hundred opium us so For close to ten million dollars are the cubs team again. that's trying to shed payroll. Is that something that they're going to be like. Yeah sure i mean with with kris bryant i feel like looking to shed payroll. There's no way you offer college warburg. Contra correct. I don't like i'm not entirely because that's so when you bring in a new gm or in. Theo's case the president of baseball ops like you have sent him like some players. Have sentimental value to you. And i remember like that's going correct kyle walker was a hands off. No touch guy he was. He had a lot of sentimental value. I remember we're talking about training for Fulmer from detroit and former no michael michael full. I fucked that. Yeah they're talking about trading and there again now we're not. We're not giving up college schwab. He's he's one of the. He's one of our guys and golden now. But that's the thing you tender schwarzer contracts and he gets close to ten million bucks. Is there a team out there. That's going to want to take him on for ten million. If you're the cubs you might still have to eat. What like three and a half four million to make that appealing to somebody will in. Let's say that he becomes a commodity that is sought after because of the power from the left side lessees. Let's see two thirty. You know what that means that still means the cubs are going to wear seven mill. They're not no no no. We're on the complete opposite ends. They're not just giving out three million dollars that's all they won't have to cover like you're going to cover everything up to about three. Yeah but fair though like yell it because then you'd ad havi bias like there's a bunch of dudes where we were ready to be like twenty twenty aberration like. Why can't we do that with warburg. Because from eighteen to nineteen combined he hit two forty five three forty seven on base. Eight forty nine zero. Pse averaged thirty two homers twenty two doubles and seventy six stakes between those two seasons. So i mean it is a low but like i don't think we're in a position to say like i think we've seen the best of kosh warburg. Let's just call it a wrap i just. I don't know where you put because you. Where are you gonna put him jared. Where're you going with. Non tendered an american league team would be asher. We'll fucking take them tanzania. He's gonna be here. He's going to be your everyday d. h. Yeah i mean. I'm sure that he can be he can be for a team with. Jd has been boston where it's like. Yes you will won't physically what you think. Host workers production would would be anywhere near what i said at all. I was getting ready to explain it. He can be the d. h. for a team And serve as this fourth outfielder type. Where it's like all right. This guy needs a day off will throw out there once a week or not even the only reason. Jd fits that role was because what he does with. The bat is what it is. But that's why they're like if you get twenty eight thousand nine hundred and production from sobered like. That's you're going to take that an eight forty nine oh. Ps and your average and thirty two bombs and twenty two doubles. If that's you're you're pretty happy with that. I just don't know how many teams are. I just feel like teams at this point in time. Feel like they've got guys in their clubhouse or in their rooms that can provide that and if we're talking about a guy who the cleveland indians so say schwab gets non tendered because the cubs don't want to pay him ten million using the indians wouldn't be like how about one year one year six like that team desperately needed offense and power and they need. They don't want to spend money. Obviously a cheap bilo option with a pretty decently high ceiling in terms of what you're looking for. Yeah i just don't know that. I don't know man i i don't know that sh- weber is the guy that you can just say. This is a good. I'm okay with this guy. But i'm not handing kyle sober five hundred at bats period. No but i mean. It's not like it's the yankees like it's not like it's a team that's like. Hey we we have the financial flexibility to explore all options. And we're we've come to the conclusion that we've identified schwarzer again like that's the indians they don't fucking spend money so they're going to want someone that is on the island of misfit toys but if he comes back to what he was two years ago then now you fucking have struck gold well. Yeah and that's that's how the so the indians are doing it if the indians are a are a potential suitor. Then they're doing it for all the wrong reasons on the baseball field and all the right reasons in the business office that sound if that pretty on par with what. The indians are up to usually. But it's like we have to have a guy that's either going to play left field or going to be a deal shortage and kyle. Schwartz fits that bill. Should he perform. She know what that means we've got traded or retry to do something should he perform and he as do the as get the actually sheep ass options who always pan out in oakland and then they trade him for prospects. That's the fucking. Billy bean one. Oh one that's that's business. Yeah but that is as do those sneaky fox like they can take anyone from whatever shit bum league and turn them into a star. That'd be like hey we're gonna flip them for for thirty top ten prospects and it's not like they're gonna flip us marrow petite they have just repackaged us merrill petite multiple times like within their within their own within their own group. Like oh he just he comes back. And you didn't trade forty didn't give anything up for but it's like. Hey nobody wanted it was in a guy that was going to be a factor for anybody else's bullpen. Azel take him and then for three or four years so just be a fucking guida trash archie. Bradley friend of the podcast on tender. I don't know but but you know as quickly as i say no it. Almost i'd go back to thinking teams if we're at if we're in an era where teams are saying instead of spending the money to keep what we see here. Do we have something close to that for pennies on the dollar already at our disposal. I just don't know like. I don't know why you would identify archie bradley as a trade candidate if you didn't plan on keeping him around like you've given up assets to acquire him and now you're going to non tender him because he's making casa six million so he made. He made four point one million last year and with an r arbitration bump. He can make five point seven. It's not like the guy has closing experience. And he can set up and five point seven four team that needs the bullpen. Help like you're not like not like you have this embarrassment of riches and your bullpen. Where you can be like you know archie bradley. We're all set. I mean they have glossy as they have mere garrett. It's a team. That has arms back there. But i mean we're not talking about the yankees where it's like. That's an embarrassment of riches in terms of the bullpen. And that's probably the only team that can stake claim to having like seventeen different fucking closers in their bullpen. if i'm i'm the cincinnati reds i would definitely tender archie bradley contract about what you're trying to accomplish in that division. And how can you do it with the way that the division shapes up great place to start would beat up open right. Yeah marmot zara. That's another fucking dude. Were just like it. Didn't the power. Was there like if you go watch like. No mamas highlight reel of homers. I don't think he's ever hit a home. Run than four hundred and seventy five feet in his life is problem is he just doesn't doesn't barrel balls nearly enough as he should. Last year dinner. Take the final month of the season before he hit a home. Run like one really is something crazy like that. Yeah like i remember. I remember tweeting. The highlight because it was a bomb. Obviously remember tweeting. The highlight of the home run that he hit like white sox fans were celebrating like it was just rare occurrence and i was like oh shit like. That's he hasn't been any. That's what i always remember. Raw power power. that's what everyone says it missouri. Well yeah and i remember talking to to bannister when he was managing the rangers. When i was there. I think it was like what fifteen no six hundred seventeen his rookie year. I think it was sixteen. And like he would he hit. i think. Hit like twenty two or twenty three homers or some shit that you're but the power just i don't wanna say came out of nowhere but he just burst onto the scene and i remember banney telling me like i don't know the kid understands like how good he is already like what he's already capable of what we've kind of seen But to the powerpoint. Like i don't think he's had an l. p. s. over over eight hundred. Now i don't think so either. But it's like even even in those years where he was popping. Twenty something homers like. He batted towards the back of the lineup. Anyway and you know it's funny. You say that. Because i would ask. I would ask banney like yo- you've had them in Like the order but you have them down at the bottom of the order. And he's like. Yeah because i don't know if putting him in the three or four hole would wake him up and make him realize oh shit. I'm doing what. I'm doing in the big leagues. This is crazy now. I have to be this type of hitter. And i remember him saying like keeping him lower in the bottom of the order was almost protecting him from realizing what he was dan. Let's not. Hey nobody tell them what he's doing right now. Kate word just let the kid do what he does. And at the end of the year. It's going to be twenty-five thirty pumps it's going to be close to a hundred stakes. Hopefully and we'll look up and see what we're doing in october at the turn around six million and i don't want to throw in the towel anoma czar. Because like i've been a big proponent of his obviously more so with the the rangers era could save six billion for them to sign internasional. Curzio still wants to play. Do you keep you. Keep him or not encarnacion. Who wasn't colonel horns with the red sox is an interesting one for me. Obviously so he's supposed to make five point seven in arbitration. the whole high bloom experience. Leads me to believe that. I mean we've seen an early on. With martine peres option was like six and a half and they declined it six and a half six and a half how. How was it for you last year like pedestrian but for six and a half you take pedestrian i guess how was he comparatively speaking to everybody else in wrote substantially better than everybody like not here not that for what sixth borough chance will retain the best performing pitcher in my rotation for valid. Says to me that you have a plan. Like i. I'd love to say i have a plan for the six and a half million that we just saved on your option are is is kowloon. Gonna go the way of mcdonalds now. And instead of your travis scott fucking value meal. They're gonna give you your your trevor bauer box lunch. That you can get calhoun. It's there's a there's a plan in place dallas. I don. I mean i i would be out. It'd be genuinely surprised if they non tendered matt barnes. I know he's not the closer. I know that they tried them. There didn't work out. He's been one of the best strikeout pitchers in baseball for like the last two years. What was that one of the biggest like oh dude like you didn't want to see that happening to him. Oh yeah yeah. Barnes's fucking. He's he's the homey he's He's just one of those dudes that like like who would be a comparison. He's like one of your friends from home that just happened to have like an immense amount of baseball talent. Like he's a regular ass dude. Watch football sunday. I think he's fucking jewish ci- fan. Yeah a giants fan. he's from connecticut. So he's one of those fucking assholes that lives in new england but grew up a yankee fan But he's just like genuinely like one of the nicest dudes but yeah i. I would be surprised if he gets. Non tendered but every kind of fits. The bill doesn't it five point. Five point seven to not be closing games or not i. I don't know i. I would tender him a contract because of the strikeout numbers elite elite canine elite. Like the top whatever. Two percent in a percent baseball among relievers. So i i just find this. I just find it interesting because these these types of situations are from a pitcher's perspective. I am looking at this and trying to figure out. They believe the petition lie. What's most important to these front offices who don't have a rotation and don't have a bullpen. Where do they start. What do they feel like is the most important to them and the cape nine and those numbers the ability to miss batson. Big situations that matters. But if you're if you're just never giving barnes and opportunity to go out and pitch and those be important outs because the score is what it is because you just can't get to the sixth inning or seventh inning with a fucking lead then does matt barnes factor in or does the priority. Shift where you've got to get somebody that can get you five or six innings to give the ball to a matt barnes or somebody in line to eventually get it to matt barnes. So that's again where it's why was digging. Achy about the martine perez shit and we're talking about Eduardo as well like. Yeah what are what are we doing here. Where are you going. What's more important to you. The guys who are going to start the ball game or do you feel like you've got guys that can do that. And you really need to shore up the last three or four innings of these ballgames. And so i'm interested. The red sox did avoid arbitration with a rodriguez. But i know that they've i know that. They've expressed interest in. Extension and rodriguez has said he wants to play in boston for ever like he's one of those dudes that's pretty open about you. Know he's not. He's not like mookie. Who is like well now. I wanna go to free agency. I want to go to free agency. Just kidding i want to go to the dodgers and then signed thirteen year extension and not rotor. Free agency at all become champion. Yeah iran says. He wants to play in boston forever. So we'll see. I mean if you're the red sox you kind of have to wait that outright like you as much as i would love to get an extension done with eddie right now like after he got a fucking like he had a heart condition after co vid that a month and a half. After he months months floral. It was months plural after he just started like walking again. Like what so. Yeah i mean obviously you want that guy taking care of business. It's pure business. There's no other way to look at. It's not cold blooded saying it look. I'm sorry man you got a heart condition. I would love for you to be able to run a thousand miles and the last mile. Be better than the first nine hundred and ninety nine. I want nothing more than that. For iran as a business partner here. I can't give you this kind of money without figuring out how your body is now reacting to what you've gone through and those are just are realities. You don't know what you're going to be able to produce. You'd love to be able to tell me you've got thirty. Three starts in the bag. Two hundred and ten innings. And you're not going to blink twice. I want that eddie. And i wanna give you that money. You don't know if you can do that based on what you've gone through and i don't know what you'll be able to do physically based on what you've gone through to hell with production at this is just about you being able to live your life brother. That's all this is so if you could get through thirty three starts then you know what. Check that box health. Is there from there. We can look at the production and probably even cut you some slack and say this guy's coming back a fucking heart condition. And he just gave us one hundred eighty innings. He just gave us a hundred and sixty innings with this kind of production. Now we have a starting point now. We can go from there. And that's what i would like to see happen is if it does eventually get to that point eddie knocks out. One hundred eighty five innings two hundred plus plunges. That'd be fucking great. And i'd love for the red sox to pay him for that and to honor that i'd love for player x to achieve that and team why to compensate him for that. I would love for that to happen. But that's the business side is got to see what you're cooking with man before we before we bring you on to be our head chef. Yeah it's gonna be going to be interesting off season for the red sox it is it is. That is something that we will have to keep a close eye on because it's tough. It's tough it's tough. It's tough when you. It's tough when you're on a road trip with the family and you forgot to bring the map so you don't quite know where we're going but you know that we're going somewhere where the car and it's full gas dallas when you go on road trips Do you ever do you ever think to bring some amply with you i. It's kind of like the credit card beard. You don't leave home right right. 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We had a couple who your best pitch those so we did interrupt this streak of world series participants with cy young award winner unanimous. Sorry all right. Well enjoy the interview with jack petersen all right we are here with world series champion jock petersen your where you at. Where are you ari now. Your backyard man. You know just that. Championship dream lifestyle is. Is it like that. Though i feel like i mean we just talked to walker. Bueller asked him. Because i said the last team to win a world series at home i think was the twenty thirteen red sox. So it's been a while since team has been able to celebrate at home and they had the neutral site and they allowed eleven. Thousand fans are allotted. Dodger fans there for the clincher. So did it feel like like. Do you feel like you were robbed of the true world series championship experience. You could. You could definitely say that especially you know parade. No yes covid. Really put a damper on that aspect but that rings going to be nice so celebration school but we put a lot of hard work and everything we did and It definitely feels good. One thing that you're going to like like powering does because you got the parade. Sometimes they send you to disney. You're probably not going to disney right. Now what's the one thing that you wish like shit like. I wish we had that. I think it would have been the parade. The parade would have been cool. I'm sure my daughter would have said disneyland. She loves mickey mouse Not afraid looks dope. You know they're awesome. Yeah so one day one day. Assume what what is your thought. What is your feeling on what you thought the world series was going to mean to you what you thought the season was going to mean to you. When you found out it's going to be sixty games was there. Was there any like. Oh you know what man like. It's you know it's not quite the world series. It's not quite what. But now you go through the season and now you go through the world series. You go through the postseason. Is there anything that that tells you. You know what not only was this as good and feel as good but maybe even more so considering all the bullshit we don't with. Yeah no there was definitely a budget. Extra stuff A lot of extra clutter could say Distractions and stuff going on and the to be able to stay focused than have our group of guys come back from the the brain series. Three to one you know. I think that really was a A momentum twister for us Turner and Was huge. You know but those games there. They were just as intense. So i mean obviously with the sellout crowd and you know it may be a little bit more. It might be louder but not not any more intense. Because he's games got crazy. It's the it hasn't been enough time. Really i think to sort of reflect on that whole postseason run but besides the final out when when you do look back on that postseason run. What do you think is is the first memory that will come to you. First memory Mookie after robbed a home run in the brave series. I think when he was running up at the you know like high step in. That's just like a visual like a. I don't know that's a pretty big visual that I remember cnn was was a big part of that game Dude yeah epic epic moment. What what is it. what are you thinking at. Let let me take you back. You know what. Let's let's start here. Let's talk about things we're excited about. That didn't happen. Guess you're not in anaheim. You're not an excuse. My man jock toper is alive and well in chico's ravine in dodger blue. Tell me where you're at now and how things could have been and how glad you are to be where you're at frozen better Area is sweet. Yeah you know anaheim. I was as excited as i was about. Anaheim extremely happy that didn't happen. You know World champ in lega said we've had a quarterback guys for the past five six years that Have really grinded out. That was a third world series to come up short twice it's like a brotherhood. We have and it needed that. We we in. That was huge in. La needed it for kobe. Everything so he's looking down on us. It was expected. The dallas just mentioned the name Chico tell me he's getting a ring tell me he's getting playoff. Share you guys. you can make the case. The dodgers don't win the world series. If that guy's not out there in luffield getting you guys ready during extended spring training or not. Jake says the man cheeks that's my guy Yeah no but Everyone's gonna get taken care of pretty well rings ploughshares. All that so We did a good job has now what needed to be passed out and taking care of the people we when you guys are. You guys are in spring training and we'll talk about spring training the normal ass spring training. That was supposed to happen. Because that's where jared and i were and unfortunately jared's mookie betts tears still drying up to this very day and it was great jock because you guys are out on the diamond right. David price former red sox face in mookie betts former red sock during live bp. I'm talking to doc right there on the field. We're looking at you. We're looking at all these guys. And i'm going and you add lewke and you're like how. How how. how do you do this doc. How's it so. What was that vibe for you. As a guy who obviously going to be a big part of the success that you guys had and you see that that's the kind of guy that you're bringing in here. We got lucky bets. Yeah it's like. I said i mean we won six and championships in a row and In a west and been the two world series with a core group of guys that was pretty solid wanted nine honestly one the twelfth and then you add mukhi in he comes in. Is the best player on the team. In like what like. How does your right like how does that happen. But it was just impressive to watch it. I think his offense stuff is like cool. You know like he's a good player. But i think what's really impressive is defense. I've never seen anything like it. It is Every single pitch every single pitch and he's making special plays in a does it all and it was really cool to watch the world series. Him start steeler basis the dodgers. We don't really run much anyways. But those huge stolen basis to get extra ninety feet into scoring position and stuff like that Yeah i mean. I'm hanging from his. You know what but So so am. I think i didn't get my mind right and go crush them. Free tacos cited and even just his His contact rita third when seger. It went off the and just to be able to get that good of a re dog contact play and stupid make it save he. vary attention to detail. So you add that lineup. That we had i mean world series are expected. Yeah he's really good. Not only not a joke. Did you have during this whole run. I mean like you've you've been in dodger blue for some time. Do you have a favorite team mate like a guy. That's like ben by your side through the ups and downs of you mentioned getting to the world series Knock getting the job done. Getting to the world series. Finally getting over the hump. Like who is your guy. There barnes Been there for a while. Let's magai coaches my guy. Those are those are permanent to my closer guys on the team But mainly with barnes. We've had some ups downs. Kirsch is more time. So that's how happy in that moment are you for a guy like kershaw like when you're when you're in the in the huddle right like there's a dog pile final out dodgers world champs like is barnes the first guy you're looking forward to go give a hug to or is it kershaw. I mean honestly. It's there so many people on the team that you care. We've been together so long that there's so many people that you want to celebrate with but i mean when it comes to kershaw that's donaldson. There's no one more deserving you know he Hardest working guy in baseball hands down like to joke how hard that guy works and how. He prepares for the game every single day. And it's not just one out of one out of five days he's there. He's there all five days working hard jaren his teammates on and i remember that series and boston. He the night before his start in the world series. It was like eleven o'clock at night and he's out in the bullpen. Just like envisioning his start like he was just throwing a bullpen with no baseball. There's not a soul in the ballpark in there. As clayton kershaw out there. Yeah and and i mean that's limited standard but and that's everything you can see on the outside 'cause there's cameras you can't see the work and sweat. He puts in the weight room. I mean he's the first one in the weight room in the last one to leave all the time and it's that is extremely hard working was there. Was there ever any moment in time. And i asked walker about this and and he said cursed to my like. You really don't have to do that. This dude and i understand that he doesn't need it or ask for it but was there ever a moment where the the team collectively maybe without kershaw was like yo look boys. We got to get this done because we know that this guy absolutely buchan deserves and whether or not there was a meeting that was held but was there was there sort of that conversation like through. Bp through like that that vibe we got a lock down for the lefty Not really. I think we all have that for ourselves. I mean everyone of us feel deserving needed. I think we definitely had that conversation as a group that we needed to get it done but collectively. It wasn't for any individual. Because i mean he is really deserved. Ozzy's had all these other accolades but barnes and all the people like some people who struggled. Did what you know what i mean like. We're all grinded through through the tough day so it was nice everyone for sure and this is one of the things that i asked walker earlier about like one of the things that i noticed. In the first couple rounds the playoffs the wild card round the division series how relaxed in subdued the celebrations were after eliminating two teams in the postseason advancing. I i said it felt like you know the the dodgers had just taken two out of three against the marlins in july and it was just business as usual and i was curious if that was sort of something because it was so uniform like it was like everyone on the same page with like. Hey we're not going to go crazy when we win these series because the ultimate goal is winning a world series. Was that just something that you all felt or disgust at any point like hey like the goals. The world series. We're not gonna go crazy if we win these first couple around here Yeah no it was definitely discussed. Because i think when you have a team that has accomplished as much as us and not accomplished the main goal You realize that lake. It's expected like we expect greatness. Weeks came up short so many times. We're not going to celebrate until we win that trophy Because like you know like we've done it we've we've won the while the wild card. We've won the first whatever it's called l. d. s. We won the you know but like we had it won that trophy. So it's like no we're it's a business trip basically. Yeah that's exactly what i call it like this. It looks like it's a business trip for these guys like they're you know they're they're moving on but you wouldn't be able to tell like by by the way that they act after you know these first couple of rounds so like then you get to the nfl and the braves give you a series like they were a formidable opponent. They'd go up three one When you guys are down three one in the series like was there a team meeting. Was there anything or is just like. Hey we're just gonna show up tomorrow and play because we know that we're the best team in baseball. We just gotta play Yeah i think once we got down oh to kind of script pressing a little bit you know but there was definitely a group tax along with all that type of stuff Motivational type stuff with just a team. Kind of like a players meeting S which. I don't know if it helped or but this brought us together a little bit in realized in us to believe in it and But i do think that that brave series want us to world series as crazy as that sound gives you that confidence that that you can face probably a level of what at the time feels like a insurmountable amount of adversity and are here. You are able to fight scratch. Clawback you find yourselves in the world. Series and ebb and flow of the world. Series was was really fun from an outsider's perspective. Right you guys win game one. Raise one game two. It's back and forth back and forth but before you win the second one interro and and it's all said and done. Was there a moment in that world series against the raise fraut that series that you felt like all right this is the point where we have asserted our dominance and this feels like it's ours. Now yeah honestly. After that first game of the world series. I mean no disrespect to the race or anything. They're really good team. Great pitching staff and all that but after getting through that braves lineup in being in those games and then we come in and we just kick their butts. It was like man. we're gonna win. The world series like japan team does not match up with us like we are so much better than them which obviously we have some type advantage. Because i think we have like four times the payroll. We are just a way better team than them. And we're going to win the world series but then they kicked our butts the next day it was like oh shoot all right. We gotta can't get complacent but no definitely. After that first game. He was like wow. We're not facing a khuda than freeman than osuna. And then travis dinar. It's like it was. That was a very frightening lineup to go through Swanson was raking it was riley. They had all these guys in and it was just like albee's every pitch was just like whoa where we handled. The our pitchers matched up a lot better with with the race. Sure now knowing that when the bull pin for the race has been lauded the way they have the stable ninety eight going to blow you away was there. Was there a collective approach that you guys adopted against the rays and maybe the back end of their bullpen knowing that. Hey we're probably going to see these guys a lot. We know what they're capable of and we know what we do well. Why don't we go about it this way. Was there any conversation. I'm definitely there's a hitters meetings and stuff about all that stuff. But i think in the regular season there a little bit more dominant. Because you're not really seeing ninety five plus every inning but like literally prior to the play playoffs. We don't everyone thurs throwing ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine so it's like they're it doesn't make their stuff stand out as much. It's not like they just got like ninety two. And then here's ninety nine coming in. It's like no ninety nine ninety nine ninety nine. So i think that's this gives the hitter better. They're adjusted to the speed a little bit more so i think that definitely helps But no they have some special arms upenn that you really need a locked in and get your pitch. Because they're good. They're all good so this was a it was kobe's season no fans allowed at empty ballpark's and i think jock. Peterson was the king of the empty stadium. Audible bomb on the broadcast. And how were you ever did the league ever say like. Hey hey jock like can you can you can you. Maybe like tone it down a little bit. Or were they just like i mean shit. We have no fans in the stands. So what are we supposed to do. Like this is what it is Yeah i never. I don't think. I got a notice from the league but playing in front of no fans is brutal. Like yeah it's just not it's not it will make up fans in the postseason games came back like it was awesome to kind of to see that. So sorry But yeah no. I definitely did Say some stuff that i should have said please do. I mean that's the thing is that games are and when you get the bat shoved up you know what like it ain't fun and I do that during the regular season to not that i should Yet blurted out. Because there's not you know there's there's one at bat where like i think you just you off. You just like miss your pitch like it was right in your wheelhouse and it wasn't even an f-bomb just like audibly like it like you're throwing up you're like yeah like just there's fans if not more like a identify all right. You're right here in the season but did you Did you have a a standout moment. Not for yourself but like for for anybody that was playing during the series where you're like holy shit man like this dude is like. I know he's been talked about like. I'm very aware of this guy but what i'm seeing right now is like next level. I didn't i didn't see that coming From our team or from a different team either like you could have been a dude in your clubhouse that you were like holy shit man. This guy is just ridiculous or somebody that you played against that you now have newfound appreciation for. I mean there were so many really good players. Obviously that rainy rates. Freddie fuming. I thought travis denard was special The whole series. He was on every single. Pitch that we through. I mean we got some good arms. Are we tipping. Pitchy like cows. He takes the slider upbeat. Like what like is he sitting on. Not just got up to the fastball. One oh nine laser. He was on literally everything in it was. It was very impressive in. I think it's because like the rainy guy you know. He was going to rape. Freddie you knew he was going to rake the like Azoun a- Those guys they have like a big name. Where travis has done has played in the league for a while but like he's been solid but he was nails nails It was fun to watch. You know. I know he's had a grinding. A little bit postseason and to watch him do what he did. That was a that was special. We needed it. And yeah i know dallas already like kind of touched on it a little bit but just like dive deeper into that. What was your reaction like when you see the mlb network ticker like oh shit. I just got traded to the angels. And then it's like well wait now. I'm not going to the angels. I'm staying with the dodgers was it. i mean obviously. i'm sure. Your teammates like razzed euphoria. When you showed up to spring training like hey welcome back even though you never really left like what was. What was that communication like. Was your agent being like. Hey pack your shit like we're going anaheim or were they like. Hey hold on a second. This isn't actually done yet. Say communication was very very poor Yeah my agent said the deal was done dave. Roberts told me the deal was done. Thank you for everything. The only one andrew freeman was like. Hey the is not done. He was only one who communicated like he's like i can't get really in the details but it's not done but everyone else is. Tell me one hundred percent done. Thank you for everything in la all the yada yada yada. I'm looking at houses in newport. You know like Awesome figuring out the next steps So yeah it went on for quite a bit so there was It wasn't fun. That's for sure. No and asya relief asai relief when it's all said and done and again. This isn't a knock on anaheim or any players that were going to be exchanged. This is just look. You've been in a place is places whole and you know what you are on the cusp of in terms of big term goal long term goal. And now it's like damn yobo like we were. We're five minutes away from winning the world series of your traded me to the bug. No that's not happening and then get the phone call. Sorry jock just kidding brother You can unpack. You're staying here. Yeah so i would say we don't win the world series it's like the world series so it's like dope all right. It was not worth it. You know what i mean. How are you Are you a big memento guy did you. Did you take anything from the playoff run like. Did you keep a bat did you. Did you have like teammate. Sign of jersey to keep really into data honestly. Like i don't know some people said jerseys are bats around the side and i don't know you didn't keep anything from entire playoff run. Nothing i really. I don't have like a man into that like when people ask me to sign stuff were signed like we had to go to a room. Sein like friggin. Well dozen. baseball's are you go to the all star game. You start all these baseball. I don't want to sign these balls so it's like like what like i'm not gonna ask you to sign something for me because i really don't wanna do this like goes in the garage in a bag in. I don't see it in like he has a cool office. But like i'm not really i don't know about the office type. Yeah i'm just not. I don't know ringo. That's the ring so i asked walker this. How are we. How are we celebrating like. Where are we going. What are we doing. Obviously you guys weren't able to do any of the cool shit that you typically would be doing but let's say in a perfect world you got the freedom to come and go as you please. Where are you going. How are you celebrating. The fact that you are a world series man. Get to wear your ring to. La was ready for that. I would have had a parade probably would have. I don't know maybe like snoop dogg the rock. Jt timberlake everyone. I don't know it would go. You know go. You got high. There's a bunch of clubs it would have been a have been special offer. A lab with the lakers. Lebron out you know. I don't know just it would. La needed it. They still need it. So i don't know Feeling something's going to pop off would be training. Yeah i they they need to do job just lakers and dodgers Celebration of some type and like the whole city needs it. So this place is placed would be electric easier now would be millions like the lab. Yeah like a parade just for both of us through. And then. But i mean everyone goes home. I don't know it ain't happening but you can dream. I think that at some point like they'll they'll definitely do something even if it's like. Hey it's the it's the five year anniversary of the twenty twenty world series champion dodgers and then they just bring everyone back even if they're on different teams are retired like they will do something for the first team to win a world series in la since nineteen eighty eight. Yeah i hope so. i don't know are true. Juror falls if tommy. If tommy is shirtless on top of a bar doing body shots where are you in line to take that body shot. Don't allow the bar. I'm i'm at a different bar. Something i not. They're not they're not even not even for a world series. No i've seen toys my guy but now come on your world check just little naval never hurt anybody treating pot belly like an ice lose. I mean you might have to get it on that you just never know got hits in the you're a free agent this offseason. Yes how long. How long before. It's like all right. You win the world series. You celebrate that the best to your ability. Obviously because you know it's not like it's not like it's a normal world but you can celebrate the whether you want to. How long before us turn the page and it's like all right well ninety to look ahead to two thousand twenty one. I think everything happened fairly quickly Obviously it's like multitasking. I'm still celebrating. Instill the ready to See what is in store for met with agents and stuff in at a. I guess quite a few teams reach out so it should be interesting to see what the next steps are you've got you've got early interest they say. Hey the dotted lines lead. There's really interests percent one hundred percent breaded up. Is there like is there. A preference to stay with the dodgers. Is there like like. I wanna try out a different coast. Like is there like oh. I grew up a fan of this team. It'd be cool if they called. Who did you grow up a of so. I grew up in the bay area. Okay so before. Hold a job. There's a couple of teams in the bay area and if you're talking about we're talking about california's bay area. It's northern california. I played for the oakland a.'s jock and that's that's one team that's in the bay area. There's another ace man. You grew as fan. I mean they're cool. I went to the parade. I went to the two thousand ten parade for the giants. Oh turn that up. Eso we needed that ten years later would have been nice la but I don't know man. I we'll see we'll see where where's the best fit for me and definitely want to win another world series compete in the playoffs that Yes we going. So i like that. You were the last time that we saw. You was at a christian yelich his softball tournament. You hit a fucking five hundred foot bomb. That went over my head. Douse wanted me to try to make a play on. It wasn't going to happen Who was the who is the coolest celebrity that you got a chance to meet at that game. shoot you've seen their sandlers. We'll get a meet him. I would've liked adam sandler. Though he's kinda seems like a cool guy My wife loves the bucky lewis family. I got to meet Garett but a machine gun. Kelly was there. Yeah i love him. They got cooler now that he dated megan fox but he blew up quick like he was at the he was at the all star game in twenty nine and he played like the celebrity softball game there. Because he's a cleveland guy and Then he played in this one. I was like now. I don't know. I don't know if he's shown up stuff like that. Yeah but now is got power guy. He's a guy so you grew up a giants fan. Who is the poster on your wall as a kid j t snow hole. Yeah just can't. My dad was roommates. With jeff can so i like jeff is barry bonds. Those are part of the three. Yeah we're very barry bonds friendly podcasts. Here yes who who. Who's the dude. Who's a dude from the past a pitcher that if you could right now in his prime stick his ass out on the mound and you get to face this dude just to get import. Maybe you want square them up. You think you've got a good chance. Maybe you just want to see what that slider looks like from randy johnson. Whoever it is. But who's who's the guy that you're putting on the mound to protect yourself against pedro martinez. Nope pedro was always centered. Asti don't think for pageau someone that like one of the bigger pitchers in my time by right handed pitcher. So it'd be cool. Face of drew was a dude Pedro's a do. Do you have like a. Do you have a favorite game that you went to as a fan as a kid where it's like. Oh like thousand day that such and such happened story. Why like j t snow. 'cause i went to the last game at candlestick and i think he hit a hit. A grand slam in then. I think i got one of his foul balls or something so like oh. That's that's the one thing i've never done. I've never gotten a foul ball member. It wasn't a real one. It was like they hit it down to the the ball boy down by the bullpen are in. Yeah so it council it. Yeah pretty pro on it. It had the the rawlings like the sticker was like Whatever it's called. it's last game at candlestick. So wanted the all star game or the playoff game. You hit the hit that at all. all right so the last question that we ask to all of our guests is if you could go back in time and just like a standard time machine with regular functions. You can go back in time to moment in baseball history. To watch live in person it can be something from when you were a kid that you wish you saw can be something before you were born any moment baseball history. Would you pick to go see just jumped hot. Tub time machine. Man honestly. jackie robinson's first. Game okay yeah. I feel like that that would be a one that for the record books you can moment in our game a really is and i think. Yeah that Yeah i think it would hit that all right. Chuck peterson world series champion. Who peterson enjoy the celebration. Enjoy your off season. Best to luck to you and free agency right on. Thank you so much. Rally of course brand up all right. Big shout out to jack peterson for making the is it. Is there anybody enjoying winning a world. I just by looking at him. Like facial expressions body language lounging attire is. Is there anybody soaking it up more just like you know what like look. I'm doing what i can do. I'm living the life right now. You know not a ton of freedom. What's going on in the world. But hey i woke up today. A world series fucking and i know i like we celebrate the parades and stuff. Which obviously they're not going to be able to have. Does it me or does it feel like there aren't like a ton of like parties on that team There's probably not crocheted or anything but like no. I don't even think. Mookie drank during the red sox parade he i think he just residential candidate. There's some In amongst baseball teams. And i'm sure this goes for a lot of sports teams in general but because there's twenty five of us you'll have at any point in time. There could be a third of the team that doesn't go out doesn't party. Whatever young guys who are married you know so and look big life. It is what it is when you're a young dude and the world knows who you are or at least the city of fans that you're in at this point knows who you're like. That's that's all part of the life. That's you go out. You know you're not going out to exchange fucking recipes. That's not what's happening so if that's just not in your cards then yeah you're probably not raging but i think you're probably onto something a lot of the guys on that team that might be guys who like to get after it might not be guys that are talked about kershaw. Low key gets after yes see. I don't have kershaw. Low key. Getting how though i don't know i don't like i feel like he's one of those guy. Tom brady like. You wouldn't expect tom brady to be able to get after it. And then he goes on the late night circuit and he can chug beers. Kershaw is a partying on the road. I think it's more dislike when the situation calls for it he can. he can let that freak flag fly. Okay well so those are two. Those are two very different things. Like when i when you tell me like like me. I don't a guy a casual beer like whatever time to let it rip like. I will let it rip but you but i would not classify you. I would never ever describe you to anybody as a guy who gets after it. No i got his but he gets after it. But but the idea like you get after it. The idea the low key part like that's the guy who just has a good time when the situation calls for it or lind's itself to that like a guy who gets after it. That guy has had a couple before the easter barbie. Yeah at the easter barbecue. He's the one cutting in front of danna to do the cake. Stand like he doesn't give a fuck. He's now i don't think kershaw's dacca curse are like in the way where we're both generational pitching talents and when the situation calls for it will probably be in the top two most drunk at ten days because you almost feel like kirsch might have a little frank. The tank is no no no no no guys seriously. We can't we take all right fine. I'll have thought slots joe pitch. Scully take your pants off like whoa. Where did this guy. I think that that lives inside of clayton. Kershaw i do like i could. I could see it. Like i could see kershaw in a heated. Were dr play hard. because you think about kirsch heathrow's like the the one. Oh fastball for a ball go any sap that occurs does like a backflip la just loses his shit for two seconds. Imagine being on his team down to the final cup. And you don't even hit the fucking coup- his response his reaction to you. I don't know that i'd even want. I don't know that. I will. Especially because i mean it's it's an honor to even be chosen and to not and he's looking at you going. Look you know why we're here right. Yeah you know why we're at the fucking final cup. It's because of me it's fallen on you. This is your shot. You know what i would do if i had my shot. Don't fucking blow this turner's probably do the gets after it. I mean he fits the part. That's such a at such a. That is such a center that that question is such a setter all say that i feel like justin turner win the situation calls for it would probably take advantage of an opportunity to celebrate. Yeah but outside of that. I feel like walker. Bueller looks in fits type. That i feel like is not. Does that make sense. I feel like he's more buttoned up. You've you what you feel like. He's buttoned up like when you but the exchange back and forth that we had about the pants. Yeah he's a guy who like that. You could create some crazy random type drinking contests that you're going to take to the bar and not explained to anybody and he will be taking that game that you've created very serious well. Wasn't it like two two years ago whenever it was that. They gave him the the stadium. Mike and he's like dropped an f bomb indian realize. Yeah yeah oh yeah yeah. Yeah he's he's he's a dude who's here for it. Yeah he's he don't don't don't insult him with a below average time don't insult him with mediocrity like he's like he's the guy who who was absolutely here for the ranger like oh did you want it. You wanted to do this sure. Let's absolutely do this. But now he's going to take it to the next level joke doing it. Oh kelly is just like an actual lunatic. So i don't know that he was like see. Joe is a guy that i would love to go on an international international trip with an international trip with. Yeah i'd love to. I'd love to go to japan. With joe kelly international trip with jd. Martinez like every offseason. I i don't think he did it this year. Because a covert like every year they like fucking africa and goes on safari with his family and shit so he went last year. Did he went last year hundred safari and like office instagram. I would just fire off these little. Just little comments about him like you know the the shit. He was wearing Like i told me. Look i i hope you. Good luck. sporting fighting curious. Yeah he loves. It doesn't if you got to know. Jd you wouldn't guess he's also a big safari guy like big animal guy see. That's that's crazy because a lot of dudes who run into me and like get to know me on a on a deeper level realized that. That's the kind of shit that i'm into as well and they're like bro. Like i just did not have you pegged for a fucking animal guy like to the extent that you are and i think i think 'cause dudes like you get pigeonholed into being this certain type of way the startup because he's so cerebral as a hitter. So you're thinking like everything is just so focused in sittard these no. Maybe the dude likes to just wander around the fucking sarid. Getty and watch a poobah get eaten asshole. I maybe he's into that method avenue that at all. I feel like one of the things that we should probably start doing when we go on the road is. I want to start collecting not physically. But just checking off aquariums in every major city. I'm a huge aquarium guy. You you've you've bet no bigger aquarium guy. I told you i wanted to get making. I was going to get the digital for my apartment and the it was like led like the size of the wall. Not to brag starting is doing okay. The size of the wall in my apartment is like fucking. It's massive. I was going to get these digital led screens to have a full-time just running aquarium in my apartment and they ended up being for for the size that it needed to fill that wall space was fifty grand. So you'd you'd pull. I didn't pull the trigger on. I-instead bought a a thirty inch by ninety inch. canvas of the boston skyline the skyline behind it as purple. And so along the same vein the dude. That mounted my. Tv's a when he mounts them if you want like he'll put like the led light behind it so that it glows or whatever he's going to wrap that seven and a half foot. Boston skyline canvas in led lights so it'll glow purple on the wall. I have a lot of fucking. Led lights shit going on that is department right now. I'm like that is an extreme departure from wanting to put a fish tank ponder wall that. That's a hell of a shift. Oh hold on. No fish take okay. Yeah just give me the backlit skyline of boston. Then that's an easy transition. I can see how you just naturally lead in two thousand dollars. Dopey you've got to be able to afford a real fucking aquarium for fifty grand. I bought a ten thousand dollar pico. 'cause she was fucking hot jared. There was nothing i can do about it. I couldn't pull out it. I could pull out of it. Man the yeah. The necklace i just bought was was what way to that tank. So maybe maybe someday maybe. Someday i will. Because i i can't i can't take care of an like i would have to do the led digital one. You know you need you. Need a fish fish sort off with a fresh water tank. It's very easy very simple. You get your some pump you can. I mean the thing is going. I don't wanna say it's gonna take care of itself practically but a freshwater tank very easy to maintain you know point in time. We'll be able to handle a saltwater tank all road you just do not. you don't have meet some day. I felt like we were close over the holidays. Very close like there's incredibly close. If there is a moment in time where you reside with me. I can teach you everything you need to know about. I feel like at some point. You could probably have like. I would have a guest house on your property so technically not roommates but remains and week we give you. The address share like an aquarium together. We have paul what i want. Penguins fucking phenomenal. And they're and they're not just strictly cold weather. Animals like people believe no. They're not being. Penguins are indication. I'd say there's penguins in africa. I think there are paying africa. They're not the emperor penguins that you are accustomed to seal it but true story. I went and saw march of the painting wins four times. You know it. Max three reedy. The first time was max. I love that all right. Well i feel like we're on loving. It'd be like if we're going to get to a point where we can afford our own aquarium. We need to step it up with the podcast and also speaking of stepping up with the podcast dallas. And i did the. Shane bieber mini doc. The day of his signing announcement. So i was like we should do more of these but instead of like the one day type deal we should film over the course of a year and document this individuals calendar year but like each player. So like right now. I want to say there's like four. Maybe five players that are interested in doing this and with each player. there's like a different theme. it's not just like oh this guy. we're just documenting like year to year. It's like this guy is trying to come back from this. This guy wants to show this part of his life. This guy like there could be. I don't want to say too much but there could be something that happens to this player's career over the course of this year so i think i think it'd be really cool. I think bryn absolutely dominated the editing of the bieber dock. And i feel like with a year's worth of footage the sky's the limit in terms of like what she could paint with with all that so i think that's That's probably the because we need to. We need to be more on youtube. Ish y- y. Hey look we. We've started everything that we've done right here on on the podcast waves if you will right. I tuned spotify. All that other jazz just using the barstool platform so Yeah i mean venture into the youtube world attention because it'd be great to be able to sit down chop it up and bullshit and do things live on the youtube channel. It'd be great to be able to have these sorts of projects plastered at home base for folks to be able to go to in visit much like you can now with the starting nine youtube channel but just different content as opposed to the video interviews. And the you know the actual visuals that go with what you're listening to just a different different attack plan. Because i want for the same things that we've talked about With the other documentary ideas. That i've had going to and again i don't wanna i don't to just give the world ideas but following guys around knowing that something is going to happen. That's not easy to do. You have to can have to do your homework and figure out you know. Casting is such a huge part of that because you could be following around one of the game's greats is what you're going to be getting something that translates to fan something that they want. You know there's just there's there's a lot that goes into that so the starting nine. Youtube channel is a collection obviously of our content that we've created with the podcast with livestreams with our interviews with content that we've created during the spikes up tour which is when we go spring training arizona and florida and i feel like now we can sort of get into that. Realm of like here is content that is specifically created for that youtube audience. Where it's like you want to know the back story of players x. y. and z and get access that i mean we've definitely built out that rolodex to where there's a lot of players that are under the starting nine umbrella. How can we give the fans. Even more exclusive access to their favorite players. That's that's kind of where we're at. Which is nice did you see the. Mlb is launching a wood bat league for prospects man man man man man so many thoughts are sees. The floor is yours when when you honestly sit and try to think about what separates baseball from basketball. What separates baseball from football as major corporations as entities that draw attention of the youth or of society in general but specifically your target demographic of youth that eighteen to thirty five. Eighteen to forty demo. Whatever it is. How do we get new people to latch on. How how do we grow. You know what you know what the nba has. They have the draft and the way that it's presented big deal. They have attacked deal. They make it a big deal huge deal the nfl. The nfl has the combine. And they've they've got they've just got a way that they have marketed and packaged their product. There's a seamless transition from the amateur ranks to the professional ranks. You don't view these dudes any differently. Really when they're in college from two when they hit the the gridiron or the court year one. The only difference is they're no longer doing homework. They were still the same player relatively. They're going to be getting better. Obviously we understand the progression but baseball doesn't have that continuity where you know who the guy is here. You're gonna follow him. You know who he is there and baseball for the most part is totally okay with that. They're okay with that doesn't matter to them so if that's okay with them then what's the next step in to bringing all of what your sport offers in house and under one umbrella. Well you start cutting out the affiliates like they've done now you to alienate some of the prospect summer leagues and like the one. That's mentioned the cape cod league. So now where do prospects go. Do they want to go play on the cape or do they want to go play for the league that is now owned by the lead. They're trying to get to eventually and all of the eyeballs. The scouts that they're going to be told are going to be there. Do they now feel like that is a better option and it feels like major league. Baseball is what he to stamp out. Any sort of competition that could get in the way of them continuing to make money and or control the narrative of the sport from the transition from youth slash amateur to professional. And you do that by controlling every facet of this sport and without being able to tell people that they can and can't play baseball unless they're using major league baseball sanctioned equipment across the globe like this feels like one of the steps that they have to take to continue to to have the power of the control over the sport that they do. So you would give this not a vote of confidence. Vote of confidence. What am i confident in. What are what are is this good being in. I don't believe it's good for the game. Now your suggestion what. What's what's the alternative to this to to allow the game to continue the way it has like. What are you what is wrong. I guess i would ask in terms of unearthing prospects because what they're trying to do is just enrich the talent pool and what a lot of people don't understand and with a lot of people don't like about the minor leagues but it's just the truth is eighty percent of the people that are in the minor leagues. It or they're they're so the other kids so the other guys have a league to play in to get them to the big leagues. Okay whether you believe this or not the freshman at your division one school who isn't on scholarship but is getting a little bit of change to play on the team. Let's say he gets drafted. He knew what he was a freshman that he wasn't ever going to get scholarship money that he was never going to be this guy or whatever but now he gets drafted but he gets drafted late. He's a five hundred dollars senior sign. He knows that he's never going to develop into a thirty home run guy. He knows he's never going to touch ninety five. But someone's willing to pay him to keep playing the game. The minor leagues are full of guys. Just like that just like that. And that's why they exist so that the other teams prospects have a place to play. Have a place to develop now. It feels like they're creating a league for highly touted prospects. Only only you will be allowed here and from there. We don't care what the other guys who wanna play baseball do. That's what the cape cod league will be. Oh well you didn't get invited here. But i think the i think. Yeah the caper. The cobb caper the cape cod. Or they still have a going on. Yeah you could go play over there if you wanted to. And that's what we're going to run into and you're almost taking away the community aspect of the game that has allowed it to thrive in the hearts of baseball lovers because the minor league affiliates. Those are gone some of those. What six of them or whatever it is are going to be turned into affiliates of this league. It's dude did is just so they are. they're cutting out. The pool of players. Right is how i look at it. Well we'll see what the ripple effects are because the whole situation with minor league teams going by the wayside feel like is not going to sit well with a lot of individuals as it as it continues to head down that path like i feel like whatever minor league teams have been formed at their out like. That's not just. I don't think it's just one swoop and then we're done. I feel like that problem probably gets worse before it gets better How why why would he be gets worse. Like what are they gonna do like minor league baseball teams. That are no longer affiliated with clubs. They can't force their way onto somebody. So what are they gonna do collectively join and sue major league baseball for not wanting to be affiliated with any longer like. That's a business decision so you don't get to. You have no ground to stand on their so now. We're looking at sixty plus major league affiliated teams. Who could say hey. Why don't we start our own two leagues. Why don't we start. that's what they would have to do. Where's the support for those leagues gonna come from. Who's gonna financially back those leagues when they know that they are now competing with the league. That major league baseball whereas gonna come from if they're no longer getting like major league baseball organizational talent. That's what the that's what the game is doing though they are weeding out. It's basically creating sparta for baseball. That's exactly what this is doing. That's what this league will do. We're going to send all of you out in the cold with a spear and whoever comes back having killed the wolf you'll get a shot to play again next year and maybe you'll get to the big leagues and maybe he'll get drafted. I don't know maybe you'll get eaten by the fucking wolf don't know but that's that's what this is doing is it's in my mind. They're trying to strengthen the pool strengthen the talent pool. But you're you're absolutely right. That's my thing is where where is everybody else gonna come from. You're gonna find yourself now with sixteen full of quote unquote prospects from the ages of seventeen to twenty or whatever it is who who could be drafted and once those kids get drafted or you. Are you just going to start bringing other kids in to fill the space because your prospects need guys to play against. Wow it's almost like the minor leagues are starting to create themselves all over again because of what you've tried to create here with this league. Speaking of china figure out where to come from roman. Most guys have tried different ways to last longer but thinking about baseball doesn't always work in the folks at roman and online men's health company. 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Which is the truck the big eighteen wheeler. But it's just the rig just a cab it's no trailer behind it But this thing was just i mean massive massive blackout huge sound system and we drove that around spring training. Brian wilson and i we also drove a cop car around actually. So maybe that's cool. Maybe that's cool like that's probably not the legal. That's that is that now with after here I watched rich harden by. Like i think is like one of three. Bmw's that were in In north america at the time he was having a he was having. I think it was It was a ferrari. He was having his ferrari. Delivered and on the truck was one of those. Bmw's going to the dealership and harden was like nah he's got goodwill that thing off to that one's gonna stay here on buying that right now so fucking just bought this car like three hundred k. Or whatever off the fucking truck right in there just so say there's there's two that come to mind so like i think the funniest one was bogart's who lived like a block from fenway but still drove because he just wanted to flex on all the fans like waiting outside for autographs. No by the way. I got this fucking five hundred thousand dollar car like i want you to check it out. I can't remember what the car was but it was obviously very nice expensive car that he drove it like across the street to park in the garage. And then david price. If you haven't seen what david price drives it's basically like a tank like it's like a bomb proof like big ass. Suv that looks like. It should be driving over like sand dunes in baghdad. It is unbelievable. It's i don't even know what it is like i. I don't think i've ever seen anything like it before. Definitely never saw anything like it since he was well. these are all come on a lot of these dudes. 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No i want a pizza flavored cheese. It it's not. So there's there's a lot of different. Flavors i probably only had two non original cheese it flavors. So it's it's not like i'm well versed in the non original cheese. Its but i did have the cheese pizza cheese. It and it was quality criminal. Lamb or tuna fish lamb. Went home on. Wh- is that that's the question. Oh yeah lamb. that's an easy one. Yeah but if we're talking about the tuna fish give me the tuna. Now i'm thinking just a lamb. I thought real hard about becoming a lamb farmer becoming shape for this is coming from someone that has a beef farm. So yeah i mean you think about think about the like dude the byproducts from from a sheep farm. That's the gift that keeps on giving we share these fuckers and just keep pumping out sweater material all day. Long wall out of the waku. Now say they get a little old the male sheep what i could see looking around and like actual like sheep wall. It's the it's really the most logical animal to farm when you think about the ability to like renew the resources. It's going to grow the wool back. You'll be able to shave this one fucking cheap. Who knows how many people you could cloth with one sheep. But from their see the old bucker gets a little old rickety we put one in the back of his nugget and now youtube mutton and now he them but now one of the little ones pops salvcies you know some wrong with his lopsided or something you put on the back of that one lamb chops lamb chops lamb cheap. You could even shave it beforehand. Well no a sheep is a full grown cheap or you if you will. I'd rather animals. I don't like talking about killing them in the process. I feel like. I have guilt over that. But we're talking about this animal providing for you as you have provided for this animal so that's the circle of life got the whole funk wearing sweaters speech about how like like humans can survive without eating animals. And like the whole time and thinking. Like i just would love to have a fucking filet mignon right. Now i always loved the argument you know who plants blitz or violent plans to kill played. Stoodley donate plants. You ever been to a forest. You want to know why the trees in some plants or taller than the other ones. Because they cut the life source off from the other plants and they invade them they take them over and they killed them off. So fuck you and your non-violent planner. I love fucking angry. Plant ever heard of venus flytrap book sick fade bc below. What is in the perfect burrito. Oh i might not be the right guy to ask this. Because i like him very specifically because if you don't let's start here. The burrito is made literally and figuratively based on the tortilla. That's where that's where it all begins. Are we talking homemade. Or we're talking. Handroll flower obviously reto and then from their contents like what kind of meat. And then how are we stacking this. Because you don't want to compromise the integrity of the ratko the routing reto for lunch. Today i you just can't go wrong with carney asada burrito and if you're somebody who likes all the flavors you order they you order the carnegie saw the burrito toto with everything and who it could be a super burrito depending on where you're picking up food from back could have everything from cheese lettuce sour cream beans meat. Maybe some avocado or guacamole depending on how it's prepared. There's there's a lot. I mean l store tough to beat an l. store brio. You're you're not like my answer. But i don't give a fuck what do you. What do you think. I have in my burrito. You've got meat and cheese and white rice. White rice knots so you will cheese y rice. That's it and listen. I don't live my life to appease other people. I don't live my life. Let's just not a blue and white rice at. I have chicken cheese white rice in my burrito. And that's it. If you don't like that then you can eat a burrito. How'd you like to eat a burrito. That's how i like to eat a burrito and it's delicious just because you're going to a place that sells that item and calls it a burrito. The minute put white rice in there. Yeah it's not that is not a burrito athlete -lutely not a burrito. There's never ever in. The history of them been a burrito consumed in any latin american country. We're not in learning america white rice. That were the united states of america. You you don't you don't get to call it a burrito white rice. I disagree no you can't. There's rules against that. Police has white rice. And for you to even consider japodlay an establishment that would serve fine mexican slash latin. American cuisine is a absolute abomination paula. They're pumping out more e. coli than they are burritos. But i like to pull your life. Good thing you've got amply help you lose up that digestive track. Why are you guys not talking about the marlins being francisco door trade destination considering the marlins have the resources to get the deal done journey who christian yelich marley. Who did giancarl stay marlin were they had a catcher. Do they have a catcher jeter. Who did he play for the marlins to those guys. Don't play that do they. Okay those guys get paid. Not by the marlins now. Oh but they did yes but not by the marlins. Yeah okay all right. So that's all i've got. What do you want to say diving. That covers what do you want to say. Cards covers not give it away anybody that they think that can make an impact in the future and lessor guy that they sign them. But why would you feel like you can sign. It was just something you do. It's not something marlins that maybe maybe one of the greatest shortstops in baseball history. Jared can shift that train of thought. Maybe one of the greatest shortstops in baseball history. Jared looks at another shortstop in the game and says you know. What is there any way that all jeet s- and the ego allow that moved to happen. Now follow me here. Jesus thinking you know one of the common denominators here with all of the agee success. And you're right. It was me was it was me is when you start to look back at every year that we want and what. I was playing shortstop. And if i think that that's how we wanna be is an organization. One that just starts winning never stops. Maybe i need to go out and get another me. Maybe i need to go out and get bread. Siskel the door. Maybe that's the move. Maybe that's the shift. Maybe that's the flair that gets sit up to the fan base. Why not. I mean i would imagine i mean they gave john carlos stanton a shit ton of money. So it's not like they can't reach into their pockets but also a different ownership. You don't have loria you got jets. I dunno. I think i honestly and again. I'm i'm getting way in the weeds. When i am thinking specifically mindset shortstop historical performer legend. In the game he has to at some point. Step back ago like that wasn't just by accident. I was there and you could probably go through that white ago. Well you know what was that guy. And so was that guy and so was that guy. And you're going to be right but you know what you're going to be wrong about. Is any one of those guys cops being available right now because there's only one guys comp who's available and that's francisco indoor so maybe jeeter while i'm kind of poking fun at the idea of him see himself inland door and realizing that you gotta be strong in this spot even have a chance. Maybe that entices him. Maybe they're at this a little longer than folks might be giving them credit for. He's not going to the marlins it'd be cool. It'd be cool. I like it like crazy like crazy for putting all that together. No but it's not going to happen. I'm sorry i'm sorry. This is not gonna happen. If you're marlins fan i would. I would like that if that that's how it panned out i would like that. It'd be a yeah. Look at the marlins they had a plan in there executing that plan they traded off pieces. They've gotten prospects. Those prospects are now being integrated into a team that made the playoffs last year. How do you build on making a playoff run. We go out and trade. Fucking a cornerstone franchise type player and then we pay him to stay here and be a marlin for the rest of his life. That's i'd love that happened. I just don't see that happening. I i just thought about something. A we completely shifting gears and going back to a major league baseball summer league thing where these kids gonna live. What do you mean because in summer leaks you have housing like you have host families. So is that going to be the same thing. Is that what they're gonna do host families for these kids. I don't have the answer that question and and none of this affects. They're their amateur status. Does it high school kid. Potential draft prospect. He goes plays in this league. Does that eliminate him from like being able to go to college. I don't know how did we get here from francesco. Indoor to the marlins. Because i just thought about like summer ball and reminding myself That's right like you didn't just have a place to live. You lived with people everywhere you win and now major league baseball tried to control this. Are they going to be taking care of that aspect as well or are they gonna be building housing for these kids to to live in or these prospects to live in like. How is that going to how. There's there's just a lot going on. I'm still thinking about this. My wheels are turning. So you're right. There was absolutely nothing that led me to this from the franscisco door conversation. I've just thinking about kids trying to make a dream come true and what that looks like making dreams come true. That's what we do here on. Starting nine we make dreams come true. Hope you enjoy. The jack peterson interview. We'll be back next week. I don't know who the guests is. Do we have some someone in the tank. I feel like i feel like we have like interviews in the tank that have just been sitting there for months some calendar year. So we're going to have to circle back. It feels like it's a new interview. Maybe it's something that we have in the tank. I don't know we'll figure it out but We'll see you guys next week

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The diamondbacks improved to six and nine as again. Arizona wins three two and in the process again, they even up this series we want to hear from you here from the next hour eight, four, four, five, seven, thirteen, sixty, eight, four, four, five, seven, thirteen, sixty, the text line is yours. We will read your tax in the second and third segments of this show seven, zero, four, seven, zero starting to message with. Seven zero four seven zero start message with extra at John. Shaffer on twitter at Jim Russell S on twitter. Give us some love will re tweet you tonight and we'll hear from James Taylor we'll look at scores crazy night actually in the West we'll get you set for Sunday's well at one ten between these two teams Jim Fernando Tattoos Junior homers twice. And the padres lose tonight through to. He is first of all amazing second of all he leads tied for the lead league with home runs seven, which with with Nick Castellanos of the reds he is carrying this team right now every time he comes plate he is must watch television. And right now that's it. That's all I got. Trained Grisham thrown in some nice at bats. From hosmer right now coming back from that you know stomach ailment where it hold on that's all they've got right now offense what else they got. All Krona worth but he didn't do anything tonight. Well that's why I asked I. Mean You look at this lot of you get hosmer back. I mean Greta. Basit tonight we'll get into Machado right we'll get into Machado. Of course, we can't say anything bad about Machado remember we can't sit no one. Listened for the next hour. Probably. True. But I mean. Tell me fam- mired in a slump, hit an infield single but he just you know beatable out, they didn't hit well Machado a meaningless first inning double Gregor did have a double in this game this game hinged on the third inning. Jim. I'll tell you that right now said that one nothing lead on the tattoos junior leadoff home run for a second consecutive night he's hit eight leadoff home runs already in his career the second most in padres. Franchise History, he's twenty one he's played one hundred games. It's incredible. Tonight was ninety nine, and then in the third inning leading Merrill Kelly one nothing Garcia doubles to lead off the inning tatty. Singles you've got first and third nobody out and the game completely changes. He gets trump gresham swinging on a three to change the way that was not a strike and then Manny Machado and you thought maybe he'd be anxious in the spot. He's really struggled. He doubled his first time up trying to get a run in he turns over on a ball six, four, three double play and from that point on Jim Merrill Kelly was very good. diamondbacks then got even a head off Chris. Paddock and the padres never ultimately recovered and Manny Machado is not the only quote unquote superstar in baseball right now that's struggling He's not the only one. But for this team, it's magnified every single day just because of that contract, we've talked about it at nausea like this guy is expected to produce talk about if he's worth renter million or not it doesn't matter. You brought him in here to produce and right now he is not producing for this team. He goes one for four tonight with a meaningless double. He had opportunities to drive in runs. And he gets gain in any in double plays. He I don't know I don't know the status I don't have it in front of me, but I know hit a lot of double plays last year he into a lot of them. And the trend is looking like it's continuing this season. I know something's wrong with him. I. Don't know if he is just off I don't know what it is. He led the Big Leagues of Twenty Four, Ground Ball double plays twenty nine. Okay. That's not good. But Just. The fact that. Every game now Machado's looked at and we were always texting art. What's Machado GonNa do was GONNA do so he's getting it's getting magnified every game and you know that by the way he he is he is feeling the weight of this short season and his struggles I I would think so I know. So when you swing at the first pitch there in the third inning first and third one, no, you need to drive a ball the only goal there there's one goal with runner third less than two outs you could make good just by lofting the ball into the air right hit hit a ball the outfield and you've got a decent chance for saks lie and maybe something better happens. Maybe, find an alley a record or maybe get underneath the ball and you you hit your third home run of the season but he grounds outright to the shortstop six, four three. So then in the sixth inning representing the tying run trailing three one after Grisham single, he does the same thing he granted to a six four, three double play. Then in the ninth inning, needed a base runner to bring the tying run to the plate leading off the inning he hits a meaningless fly ball too shallow right field of pop out. Yeah. A lot of a lot of opportunities for Machado he has not come through one time for this team. I like name me a time Machado has come through. This past three months that he's played for the padres I can't. I can't go back to twenty nineteen going back to two thousand, nineteen like I can't name a time. Where were you look at Machado as the man right now for Nail Totti's junior is the man on this team he is the guy that gets to the plate and we cannot leave. The television set, we just can't with with shadow. Like. All right. What's he gonNA do now that's that's really Nothing. Well. With Chato I keep waiting for a moment of. Right and I saw I saw ripped at double in the first inning and I'm thinking to myself. You know what? Maybe the weights lifted a little bit. You've got an early lead, the padres one yesterday he's got a first base at all he needs is one more hit in this game. He's got a multi game maybe can take some momentum with them into the Sunday game against Madison Bumgarner and he had some huge opportunities in this game and I hate wasting multiple home run game does anyone else feel like that? For Netease Junior? Leads Major League Baseball in slugging percentage at seven eighty. It's an absurd slugging percentage. She's slugging essentially Abass per at Bat I. It's absurd and it's OK P s leads Major League Baseball He's twenty one and this team's eight and seven. You've got the best most dynamic player in baseball a rotation that's pitch well open the by the way is now approving especially the last two days six and two third scoreless innings in the series against Arizona, and now all of a sudden the offense is mired in a bit of a slump where you've had five runs in the series, all of them on Solo home runs, and we love home runs but on a night where you could use a two run home run, the padres only had a couple of Solo. Jackson, what was the big talking point for the first series for the first week of the season this teasing. BASIE and pitches a one walk tonight that was in the ninth inning Tommy. Fan had the walk in the nineteen and that was it struck out seven times tonight a lot of. You know bad plate appearances going up there and. I don't know. If we can like look. While, it sounds like we're just blaming Machado here. There's there's more to it than. Way More to it than just that. But Machado and I'll continue to say this. He is supposed to be the guy. He is the highest paid player on the team. He is. He was the highest paid player in all professional sports at a moment when they signed him to three hundred, million dollar contract and then the next day. bryce Harper bigger three thirty. Yep. So when you are paid that much money. Expected to produce in you are not yes. The first person we're going to question his him especially when he's put in situations where he you know where he can produce, he was put in zero situations night to produce or didn't have an opportunity then okay. He didn't have opportunities but tonight and over the last week he's had so many feels like he has not come through on one of them. You already is this year at Petco Park spat at five thirty to. Five hundred thirty two is about without me pulling out my calculator what one fifty maybe just under that. Remember last year he started really cold as well. I talked about this earlier in the wrap up show earlier this week I mean Petco Park is no hitters bonanza separately for Fernando TJ unless you're. Junior but you point and they've moved the fences multiple times at Petco over the years Fortune Ri-. Exact. Remember Centerfield was at one point and Machado has played in launching pads in his career. He spent the bulk of his career in Baltimore noxious at home camden yards, but also in the Al East with Short Porches at Yankee Stadium and at Fenway Toronto is nap suit launching pad Tampa Bay is indoors. The West is not like that outside of Colorado and he has struggled in his home park and the Tommy Fam- on this homestand Jim it's two for nineteen and that includes his infield single tonight we're just beats out of ball on the infield. So he's two for nineteen. You Know Myers has been red hot he was over for today hosmer? Drives the ball off the bat there in the ninth against the Closer Archie Bradley and we know we know he's been out for ten days and he had lost some weight and you look at the swing on his breaking pig was a home run swing. It's a homerun swing and it looked like with that I mean really that smooth swing he has really gets a little bit of Tilton, a little bit cot. He hasn't been known for that but when you look at swing and you look at that. Off The bat I'm like, how does that not go and to be honest with you? It wasn't that close to going. It was just the front of the warning tracks and close off the Bat I thought that was gone. Then we'll Myers seed to end the game that line out to left field krona work tonight was hit listen a couple of at bats hedges and we know the catching issues I mean hedges them he combined to go for three I just almost got one though he was he was close Out to deep left field deep warning track power. It was improvement good job. Nearly left the yard. I know. But for him, it's now it's an improvement. So I mean, you know I don't know what to say about where the padres ought to be honest with you. It's amazing because I came into the studio about an hour ago and we were talking about this and the padres now eight and seven, and I didn't have time to look this up but the padres have led jim in at least thirteen games this year I'm not kidding. I bet the padres patriots have had a lead at one point or another thirteen times and they're eight and seven. That's not good enough. Now I know the league tonight was one nothing but you've got your ace on the mound and Chris Panic and then I heard some rumblings on social media. How could curse paddock start the sixth-inning and here's my reaction to that how could he not? Start to six hundred seventy pitches seventy eight pitches. He's a lot of one run. He's your ace your bullpen has been eradicated best with amid five zero this year you WanNa, go four innings with these guys win the night before you used your crew. Now tonight, they were very good strong Pierce Johnson Havi Garra were great three and a third scoreless innings the problem they entered trailing but. I'm not gonNA yankers paddock after five innings. Then what happens if the bullpen gives up a run there especially with how performed all year I'm still not the point where I feel one hundred percent comfortable with them coming in and such an early part of the game especially with Chris Paddock on the mount agree like it's expanded your as easy as if this was maybe a case situation you don't want to. Test the waters and and and put them back out there and and something bad could happen both Chris Paddock like yeah he's your ace. You put him back out there seventy eight pitches. That's that's fine. So it's a fine move I don't see gave up a home run. Hurt for the last two years is, when are we going to see paddock work deeper into games I? Mean it's the talking point off towards talk radio every single day after he makes his start in the big leagues since he debuted, it's one, thousand, nine hundred. And our offended by the fact that he threw his second most pitches in a big league starting his career, he threw five pitches. How could you let them go? Ninety five pitches starling morte was a great acquisition from Pittsburgh. He had a good night. He's had a good year. It was his first home run. It leads off the sixth inning then you get a six four. Three double play after a single, what are you going to do? Make a move there to ask basis empty for the catcher Stephen, vote who's reached on an error and hit a sac fly. He homers in that spot fastball. Here's the problem for paddock. It's not. It's not that you left out there that Paddock's L. behind morte three. Oh he throws three one fastball he turns around. And gives you a lead then vote out a fastball he didn't miss it and it gives you the excuse me the morte. To one lead, the vote homer gives you three league the issue it's not paddock work new third time through he's your race what he can't work a third time through. That's that'd be a bad sign if every time he gets to a third time through a lineup up. Got To pull them. That is what he's officiant. He's going to have throat sixty five pitches or seventy pitches, pull them out the fifth every time I you know I thought he was he was good in this game into the sixth inning. He wasn't getting ahead of everyone like we've seen him at times. Do you know he was staked that lead? He protected that lead into the fourth inning took a no hitter in fact, it's the. Fourth inning put Martinez beat them in the fourth inning for a double that would score sacked fly but then he works at scoreless fifth inning I don't see any reason in the world after twenty batters. Seventy pitches while you're starting pitcher would not start the sixth inning into one one game. If I'm missing something text seven, zero, four, seven, zero start message Redux trm no, that's that's exactly that the whole thing with paddock. I don't buy it one bit. Yes, you want to have him pitching the sixth inning of course. So there's no reason to pull him there and I'm okay with that move by Taylor, it's fine. He gave up a home run. It's it's it's okay. It's not a big deal. This game I mean if you want to twenty, all people do is hit home rise was lost in other areas tonight, which we talked about the third ending you go back to the third ending first and third with only one out game hinged on that and then Machado didn't come through again it's double play so and then the next inning paddock gives up the homerun tomorrow. And now we're tied up. That's the swing in the game right there. You had a chance to extend the lead. And put the pressure on the d-backs Machado didn't do it and then the next inning the debates ended up scoring around with that home run and then we're tied at one that doubt right there was a swing in the game and padres couldn't recover. One walk tonight I go back to that down walks in the series who walks in this series it's not it's not good enough I know Jay singles probably not happy with play discipline as of late and not drawn as many walks as they did at the start of the year and then I go. Tell me if you agree with me but. The pinch hitting spot there for pro far for krona worth or corner with WPRO Var. I didn't understand it because you have a guy hidden one hundred and your pinch hitting him in that spot I understand why you pinch hit for Colonel Works for the platoon left Right but you have other right handed bats on your lineup like, Oh, I don't know tie France. Ours who had a home run last night. So yeah. So you know it's interesting. I think a great point because of the twenty eight man roster, you can burn a pinch hitter and not bring him into the game. You need a pinch hitter and that's the appearance for the player. What they did in this spot was they used pro four as a pinch hitter and then they had a measure the game as a defensive replacement. Yeah I mean, yeah. Maybe you had a better option off your bench there than pro far I understand. Getting the platoon advantage with the hitter in that spot, and there's a reason pro, for Jim, is on your roster you should if pro far cannot. Assist in any facet right like if you're going to have to use pro for if he's on your roster and I think probably he might start tomorrow in fact against Madison Bumgarner profiles could have to play right so here was an opportunity again with they low the platoon advantage to use them strikes out looking he has I mean he hasn't played well offensively he's hit under one hundred, the season would you rather use krona worth their I? Mean it's tough. He's a rookie. Are you really going to stick with krona worth in that spot as opposed to use a switch hitter a right handed batter. I mean, maybe maybe you just want to play the match ups there and Colonel Worth you. WanNa. Take him out because he has left handed bat and you WanNa get profiled because he's a righty it's as simple as. A decision? And then you and then you pitch later the game with Francisco Mahia, frosted hedges, but you're left with really no choice. Would you this is my job on this team because he's not a great defensive backstop he absolutely has to hit. He is not I mean we're a broken record where quarter of the way through the season and I WanNa talk about that tonight where where the Padre. Stand a quarter of the. Way through the season. Are you content with what they've done at eight and seven? Should they be better off? Are you happy with better than five hundred records on pace for thirty to twenty eight season that would be better than last year through sixty games by a game? Are we okay with eight and seven star but you have to pinch with me here he is not getting the job done and you imagine pensioning. An Oh eighty three I for one, hundred, hundred, and one hundred. Dollars in a tough spot because at what point is the sample size large enough where you start to make some type of discernible move and it's as well as different even you and what are you GonNa do are you can go side a veteran catcher that's not playing right now or are you going to trade twenty five days before this weird trade deadline for a veteran catcher I don't know you can't try to, but that's not on your sixty man. You can't trade prospects that who aren't there right. So your hands are tiling tied. This is what you started the season with like you're you're gonNA you're basically this is what you've got on the ship like think about what's going on right now a USD like where are they going to turn their? You've got the Abraham on montages of the world who gave you a handful of games with highs morale. You've got him again Gore obviously from a pitching perspective you know we'd have to jared Goff's he's got a lot of time with the Phillies, but there's not A. Ton Down there man I can't wait for this hitting prospect Taylor Mel who hasn't had a lot of minor league success but people are high on obviously they don't need any hitting prospects. They need Manny Machado and Tommy Fan to start hitting. That's plain and simple if these guys don't hit and Machado continues to be a to thirty guy for the entirety of the season he's not a to thirty guy right now. But I'm just saying if he ends up getting a bad average up to two thirty to forty, this team is not going to go far in the playoffs. Might money they might not even make the postseason because you see what this team is without Machado doing virtually anything and there five hundred baseball team. So are you feed us to anything all year long? Can they maintain this level of success if Manny Machado doesn't hit Oh, year I mean consider that because it's only a month and a half to think he will. That's the thing is you you'd think that he's going to at some point start hitting. But Can he sustain that and have it for a long stretch of time? That's that's the question is he can have a good series, right but what the padres need is for to have a good month and right now it's not it's not looking good. He's out in front. He's missing on the fastball he's popping it up. He's not hint for any power. He's not getting on base his on base percentage right now is around three hundred. He's definitely hitting for average. It's it looks like he's like you said he's pressing or something off with him and we're going to hear from Jay tiddler come up in a big here. You're not going to like what he said I I can already said all right I want to hear it because I haven't heard it on the other side we'll hear from Jay Stigler, your reaction right now in the text line, we need to hear from you the techs are already rolling in seven zero, four, seven, zero starting message with x seven, zero, four, seven, zero start your message with extra projects. Lose a tough one tonight Fernando Patsies, junior homers twice Arizona, though edges the Padras three to the series is tied a game apiece. We'll hear from Jay Stigler on the wrap up show on xtra thirteen, sixty DADS want to be a hero to your kids. I'm mark. Merrill with today's family minute all of us want to better connect with our children. Well, I've got a great way for you to do. 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Zona Drop San Diego Game Two of the series setting up a rubber match for Sunday afternoon at Petco one, ten diamondbacks over the padres three to get your tax in will read those coming up seven, zero, four, seven, zero, start your message with x t r a right now let's hear from the manager of the padres. Here's Jay's Tingler postgame. Thought, he was good for the most part Pitches. They follow how to pitches off. Early in the game. kind of built that up a little bit and But I thought he had a pretty good rhythm for the most part. Mixon is mixing his pitches and. He pitched good enough for us to win the game tonight. So overall, pretty happy with his performance. What was it just? McMahon. Started to allude him a little bit there vader. Hi, thanks. So I think you know once once the pitch count got up it, you know maybe starting to fatigue you know he casted some curve balls that were out of the zone but. you know for for the most part, the battled and you know kept us in the game. We've gotten spoiled with. Your team getting a lot of base on balls but they've got a little bit last couple of Games is that just a credit to their pitching staff? They're filling up his own or is there a defense by your offense at times? Probably a combination of both I mean you gotta tip your hat to Kelly tonight, he was very effective and seemed like he was land in his changeup whenever he wanted and he kept us off balance and. At the same time I think I. Think it was the third inning. We had a chance to maybe open it up or strike a little bit and I thought maybe we chased a three two pitch out of the zone. You know we just couldn't cash that running after that. So. You know he'd like to go back and have that that opportunity again, be able to open it up a little bit and get a little more breathing room for paddock in the boys but You know who battled till the end and just just couldn't push you know another Runda to tie it up on the board. Fernando's been such a force in the leadoff spot for who is the Plan, thing for him to stay there or long-term. Where do you see future is alive? Is the most impactful lead off air maybe more so noble. I, think we're open to a lot of things like the idea him. You know hitting up top just knowing that he's probably GonNa get the most at bats on the right now and and he's in a pretty good group. You know with that being said or you know or we opened. You know looking at some things absolutely but he's in a pretty good groove right now and and loved seem stay locked in. Kevin. Big Guys, not hitting this seniors need. What does give you of isn't just about sports balls tonight on. Vast history because they. Characteristic right now. I think all those things that you said is you know why we're optimistic with it was good to see. You know Tommy come up and. You know slow down layoffs and pitches they're off off Bradley in the ninth and. I thought Manny is first at-bat barrel lit up you know well and. Think of is the third bat. Smoked at right at. Nick there at the shortstop position but You know we just we gotta keep going. We gotta keep work and we. You know when sometimes it takes one swing to get that feeling and get it going and. You know that's probably why I'm optimistic they've got past history working and. You know just believe in the guys at the end of the day and and Know, what's going to happen? So and when we do, I think it's you know it's obviously going to help you know the entire offense get up and get going. Tinkler post game first of all. Let me respond to his comments about moving. Tattoos junior off the leadoff spot I would not for one second consider moving a guy that's had this type of start. Don't do it. He said an MVP caliber year leading off for you. Why would you change anything as relates to Fernando Tattoos junior you wanna move Manny Machado Machado you WanNa move move fam- you WanNa. Move Grisham or Hosmer I've got no problem with it. There are a lot of people on the analytic side say your best hitter should lead off games. Now could you make the argument because of his power if you're leading off games obviously has less chances to bat with men on base he only has one less opportunity. The only time he's guaranteed to lead off at any is the first inning of the game when his solo home runs in the eighth inning, he didn't lead off the inning. Francisco Mahan Greg are had made out, and then he hit a solo home run. So I'm not moving Fernando Totti's junior. I'm not willing to get cute in such a short year. He's so locked in. Let them stay locked in don't worry about Fernando Tattoos junior worry about Tommy Famine Manny Machado, combined to go three for the last thirty, five, one, hundred percent agree do not move right now and maybe maybe all year all year, not all year. But right now under the future, your best player and your best hitter if you WANNA, see this guy get as many as possible you keep them in the leadoff spot. That is what they need to do they do should not move him ever rallied off spot in less. I mean. Maybe later in his career, right if you're not worried about. I'm with you. I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about right now and right now he is the most dynamic leadoff hitter in all of baseball I would say I can't think of anybody that's better in the leadoff spot than than him. He's a guy that can still bases he turns doubles into triples, singles and doubles. He does stuff on the base pat that not many people could do a major league baseball. He is the spark plug of this team if he so be it hits. You know two home runs in a game from the leadoff spot without anybody on base. So be it that's that's. The best problem in the history of best problem to have it's the problems they have with Tommy Fan in Manny Machado right now that. Is Keeping. His team at five hundred or around five hundred these two guys especially in Machado. Need to perform, and until they do, this team is going to be hovering around five hundred. There's no way they can go throughout an entire season without these two guys getting hot for a long stretch of time. It's just not going to happen. You can't have a series where Machado gets hot and then he gets cold again, he needs to be that guy that hits you know three, twenty, four month where are we putting tech piece by the way in this theoretical scenario and whose batting leadoff Trent Grisham leading off games for you right who else are you gonNA. Put it off and then who's patting second yeah. Fourteen to be getting all these at bats with men on base by the way, the projects entered the series leading the National League. In runs scored, the problem hasn't been getting guys out base. The problem hasn't been. Oh, man for netease junior has cost US games or you know the padres aren't win games because a solo home runs maybe was the problem last year. And that's not the problem with twenty twenty. Now, in this series, they've had five solo home runs and they won a game and they lost a game. But so what so one time this year you lose a game because you hit two solo home runs out of the problem is Fernando Tattoos junior banning the order. Yeah I understand the question I, it's a fair. Completely, understand the question and I understand the theory but you just have to consider the fact that this season is super short and twenty five percent of the way through it. He's been awesome. Don't mess with him were you can take the other parts to try to make it go but truthfully scored runs. Now, the series scored five runs it's not a great total but on the whole, they've been able to score some runs and I like her top of the line of with Totti's Grisham Machado Fam- hosmer like this, a deep lineup tonight I. I liked the liars banning six right I like it. It's a good lineup, and then we're going to see what they out there against lefties tomorrow which. Gets bumgarner which is going to be probably the same thing. Totti's then Grisham Machado Fam- or they might move Machado the to spot with a left you on the mound move Grisham down in in the lineup. So if you have a lineup with Totti's Machado FAM- Myers HOSMER PRO far. Grisham like I'm okay with that. That's fine with me and if you have you know hedges behind the plate that's a good lineup they the the the the I go back to just look. This team is GonNa, go as far as Manny Machado goes it's plain and if Machado starts hidden and produce scene and coming up clutch, then this team will start separating itself from that five hundred mark. But until then they're going to be hovering around that for the entirety of the year, it's just not GonNa? Work. Machado doesn't perform. It's interesting the padres in their last seven games or two and five. They won the opener in Colorado dropped the next two games. Won The opener am I doing the math right? They've won the opener in every series so far this year. Yes. Since Colorado in opener than two losses an opening win the two losses one. Against the diamondbacks and you're right I, mean Fernando taxis junior's been everything. He's an extra base hits in six consecutive games. Tonight on the second pitchy sees a leadoff Homerun, his eighth career leadoff home run, which is incredible guy. That's twenty one from the franchise record of will venable who was like he played over nine hundred plus games for this team I mean it's incredible I mean it's incredible what he's done out of the leadoff spot. Then in the eighth inning, he hits a man shied but I wanna give I don't. Even know if we've mentioned Merrill Kellyanne Oj's Taylor I thought Merrill Kelly was excellent because he got out of that third spot at good pitchers. You only get like it's going to hinge on that one inning when you've got him on the ropes and can you knock him out and I'm not saying literally knock of a game but can you knock him out where he's not gonNA have a chance to potentially win a game and I think if the Padras come through in the third inning first and third nobody out to. Runs in that spot and bill three nothing lead I think the game feels entirely different. Now it's not to say the diamondbacks couldn't win the game or get even or ahead but I, think at three nothing game does Merrill Kelly works deep into a game. If he gives up three runs in the first innings, does he go six innings allowing just six probably not so then you're deeper into Arizona's bullpen, which has been suspect time again, run run down allow to run tonight under Tattoos Homerun I didn't think Bradley was particularly. Good issued a walk in the net deep fly off the bat of Hosmer. He's been good this year though he's been good. He's got three saves this year he has been good but my point is this that if you capitalized in the third inning, you've probably WANNA series or feel safe to say it is. It's one of those endings where you look back at it, you had a chance to extend the lead extend the pitch count for Kelly and who knows if he even makes it through that any if you are. Taking pitches being disciplined at the plate, not swinging at the first pitch grounding in double plays like the that was the game right there and it completely changed because Kelly went from stressful to kind of cruise mode. Yeah, he did. He cruised through the fourth and fifth innings when you look at after, let's see after the single Batista gave you first and third he sat down nine consecutive batters. So, he he was really really good from that point forward. He showed very good change. He's been really solid bigly or the last two years. He's been Arizona's best pitcher. He's got a to ninety or A. so he he's put together a very good year. He moves to two and a top five pitchers in baseball last September with Niara Archie Bradley again, his third save Chris Panic again I was good enough to win. He's wasn't his best that that's for sure. Given only only only three runs and five and two thirds you you're okay with that. It's okay because his team you would expect, Hey, we lead the league in runs scored. You would think they would score more than two runs tonight and if you give up three like, okay, we're going to have the offense going lead the league in runs scored. We'll be fine but that wasn't the case tonight all we want to hear from you on the other side. Remarkably, the padres have played at twenty five percent of their games. How are you feeling about this team? Seven zero four, seven, zero starting to message with x Ray will reduce your tax on the other side Padras fall to Arizona game of a three-game set by a score of three two, two rubber match on Sunday afternoon it's the wrap up show. Time to react eight, four, four, five, seven, zero, thirteen, sixty let your voice be heard. Diet the. Federal for the rap up. On xtra thirteen sixty here's John Schaefer can't Jim Russell. All these started another game with another all. Burner static should out of the yard his sixth. Year for Pernando teach junior. Ask. Tough what for me right there as well. But the padres fall today three to the diamondbacks middle game of three series despite two home runs Jim for Fernando. Tattoos junior get your tax in right now seven, zero, four, seven, zero, start your message with extra. You can tweet us as well. Shaffer J. O. N. S. C. H. E.. F. F.. At Jim Russell as d from the six, one, nine, GM I liked Grisham at the bottom of the lineup he was getting on base tonight Trent Grisham one for four. He did single lined out as well in the eighth inning but he also struck out in the third with first and third nobody out. If you're getting on base, I would much rather have him in the tool. You know. I'd much rather have him get on base for guys that are supposed to drive him in. Even though right now, that's not happening with FAM- or Machado. I. You want him at the top of the is a really good on base percentage all year. So you want him on base at the top of the line of. The order he's just been really solid for this team. I know he's hitting what to fifty five right now but his on base percentage is really good. Yeah. Mid Three hundred has really good at bats very little the time. Do I look at a Trent Grisham Bat and go? Man That was not good. You know. So I want that type of guy towards the top of my lineup in for him. He's kind of in that prototypical to spot, and I, and I, I like him in that in that role is on base percentage here you're right he's sit in two, fifty, five he's getting base Eddie three, sixty, nine clip when you're. On base percentage one hundred points or more higher than your batting average six. One nine obvious trade. Salvador Perez Salvi for Strum Naylor, Tra, Mel, make the deal sure. Yeah it's played. Okay. Yeah. That's going to be well okay. Peres I think he's in his thirties. Now he's had a decent start to his ear. I'm just looking at strum. Naylor traditional. I don't have. I can't re I. Don't know I I don't even like reacting to that. I. Don't think it's happening I see what you're saying get a veteran catch with it can hit right right I. Understand the basis of text but to go and play GM and be like just just throwing a bunch of these guys for this player it's it's kind of hard. Don't even know what the GM's are thinking. If you could snap your fingers and have Salvi Perez on your team, you take them in a heartbeat. You can't do that. All Right, eight, five, eight, like I said last night manny needs to sit a game I'm GonNa Change my tune a little bit Jim I really am I'm GonNa Change my tune I'm not opposed when I see someone that is mired like Manny Machado was mired right now he is to for his last nineteen he's pressing. He stopped at over twelve with that double the first ending, but the grads to double plays POPs out in the ninth inning I'm not opposed to to Sunday afternoon in the midst of seventeen consecutive games. Federal Madison Bumgarner on the hill I'm not opposed to it I'm not I understand it. He's hitting under two hundred your quarter of the way through the season maybe needs a blow. If there was. Against? Garrett Cole tomorrow then I might agree with you but it's massive Bunga struggled this is struggled mightily this year you would one hundred, percent one have Machado facing bumgarner. So hopefully, he can square a couple up a start getting hot I am not going to agree with you. I think that as much as we have criticized Machado for his start of the year, he needs to be in there every. Single Day because he needs to give every get every opportunity to start hitting you can't get every opportunity when you're sitting on the bench plus he's also your best defensive third baseman if not one of the best game behind aeronautical and Olson are Chapman from from this. So I'm leaving him in the lineup maybe you'd either drop them in the order like that might be a solution there. So I don't think. I Okay I agree with what you said I could be convinced otherwise but is there a point Jim? And I know about the contract? Is there a point if this upcoming series against the dodgers conclude and your through Thursday, which means you're through twenty games and he's still hasn't hit in the next five games he's still hitting under two hundred at the conclusion of the dodgers series. Just, keep writing mean just keep riding it. You have to I. Understand you have no choice but we're not talking about sitting in for the season. We're talking about sitting for maybe three at bats and be available to pinch hit no scenario. If he doesn't hit, he plays every day if he ends up going. What how many games are five games for five games down in the end of the battle ends up going three for twenty, his next twenty at bats. Okay then give give him an off day. All right. So we're both kind of turning our our thoughts on Machado I mean, if he's not hitting at some point, but that's like an extreme I'm talking like once. I mean for twenty I really soft singles like not getting on base I would look at if he starts getting on base drawing walks then yeah. Keep it in the lineup no head you not even doing that. The funny thing is three for twenty isn't that much of an aberration that's a one fifty batting average. He's hitting under two hundred so like he's on pace to go four for twenty overs next twentieth bats using his batting average. I got this this tweet from at sports fire a G. He says many is one more season from bus status. I wouldn't say that because you have to look at the entirety of a contract before you can. Use a buster Nano I would I would say that if The twenty twenty one season. Okay. So if we're GONNA, if we can assume the season doesn't work out well, which I'm hoping the opposite occurs but let's say he hits to nineteen this year or even two, twenty nine. To thirty four Okay. Let's say it's two thirty just in this hypothetical scenario and then say, let's say the next year it's a mediocre where he's better than that but it's nothing spectacular. WHO's seventy? Two thousand nine let's say it's parable to twenty nine, thousand nine right was an okay year. So you'd be three years into a tenure deal where you've paid this guy ninety million essentially I know but the pro rated with this pandemic. Bus Jam made. To. Get Out of it but three years. Appointed of years up to the point. Yes it would be bus status for sure. Would you like confident? He would turn it around after three sub-par years I don't know I would have to say no. On the fact that if you have three sub par years, it's probably going to be hard for him to all sudden turn it around and be MVP. Status, which is what they were hoping to be. I mean if they make the postseason and he delivers in the postseason hits like four hundred delivers a a world series champion. Then you're absolutely, it's well worth three million dollars. You know it's funny. Say That though I remember what a rod one is only tight with the enke's in two, thousand nine and he had a massive postseason, right? The contract is seen as a boss. Now, the Yankees are different than the podcast. But you know what I'm saying like I get it. So I This year I listen if he's got a bad this year bounces back in two thousand and twenty one I could come up with excuses to say pandemic sixty games they were still decent. It's two years into the deal but after three years, I'm going to be looking at the deal like Yo you this is three years of your prime well. I would probably look at more like a guy and it's going to be kind of off rails here but a guy like Berries Ito who got all that money in the bay this is very authorize. It is very off the rails and he was one hundred percent a bust but then he had a good postseason and I think it was. Forget the I don't know I don't remember what year was, but he had a good postseason for the giants. They want a world series, Barry Zito but everyone everyone's like me signing won the world series. Repairs in the sense I'm just trying to compare it to if he does something in the postseason than all could be. Something in the postseason is it decent deal if he delivers the world championship angels? World Championship. Is differ the doing something in the postseason that's postseason means legit delivered at work series title in two thousand nine, deliver a World Series Championship, and then try to do whatever he wants in the regular I'm with you. Know, we're all with his padre fans obviously. All right. Let's see. Let's get to one more texture six, nine, I'm not okay with this team as a whole we aren't loading bases anymore. We're reverting back to solo shots. Remember how many walks we were taking. Yeah that's that's the thing is is this team? Probably, I would say the number one thing Jason or wanted out of his offense was getting on base getting on base drawing walks. You know having full counts, draw getting pitchers, throw a bunch of pitches which they did in the first week. We were very high on it. We said man, they can just keep this up for the entire year. We all wasn't going to happen never worked and never it never works that way but that is the. The number. One thing on the goals for an offense for J. stiegler AJ pillar is to get on base and if they're not going to get on base, you're going to see got you're GonNa see solo home runs and you're not going to see a lot of three-run homers or three-run rbi doubles or triples like is not going to happen. So until that happens until they get on base you're. Going to see a lot of Solo shots. All right. Two more quick one, seven, six. Oh, I understand pinch hitting for hedges but put someone into a chance of getting on base Mahia looks lost at the played and then another text here from the eight five eight is it me or does look like he's not having fun he always looks like that. By the way he's always angry he's just always. But Eh focused right he at the home either three-run homer in Colorado and he looked like he's pets. Yeah. You heard that stat tonight that he's never been on a team that's finished with a record under five hundred in his career. So well, the padres are now over five, hundred, eight and seven. Let's hope that continues here in two thousand and twenty. Let's say time. Let's look ahead to Sunday the series finale. Can the padres finally win a rubber match? They've dropped each of the last two and scores and standings as well. padres loose the diamondbacks on Saturday night at PETCO three to it's the Eggo. Time to react eight, four, four, five, seven, zero, thirteen, sixty, your voice be heard. took the game. For the wrap up show rolls on on Xtra out thirteen sixty. Here's John Schaefer and Jim. Russell. Hi Dr people per teas that one, but two home run. In the yard for. Padres within a Rod. Seven out of the year for Fernando Peace Junior who will touch them all About Tattoos Brilliant. But unfortunately, the padres fall three two and you hate to waste a multiple home run night from the twenty one year old Fernando Santee shooter who now leads baseball Slugging percentage and Opie. So the padres fall through to Chris. Paddock takes his first loss of the year. This is panic post game following the laws for associated with Phil Roseau. Going into the game I was prepared. We had a game plan. And you know, what would you say? No, they're I. The first three in is really good. You know we're locked in together. Then I started having you know the gang sped up as is how explained to edgy at a few minutes mistakes that I wish I could go back and and Redo You know they're in the fourteen in their sixth. Tomatoes beets is one of those things. Are GonNa take this take take. What's what take it is what it is. You know it's one of things. I'll see. You don't me being a competitor at eight losing You know we had a good chance there in the ninth inning. Put together some hits but not overhaul came up short. I said. Looking back on a man I think through ninety five inches in fifty six drives. That's not that's not Marshall. Less than six percents strikes foam in counts. You know getting them fastball counselor APPs those fastballs and you know they they came up some big hits fits together back to back in the homers Thinks could have done better job of keeping the Dr side tonight and you know take away those mistakes that I had. Might. Take away from Chris Panic I. Love. These says I hate losing. I. Mean You know it's you know it's factual like this guy gets dialed in. He made a couple of pitchers that he wishes. He'd have back in the sixth inning and he's right. He fell behind guys I said that I think earlier. I was talking about that earlier today watching this game but you fall by starling Marseille who's had a great star to three Oh and then you come in you give in with the three one fastball it doesn't surprise me he homered on that pitch and then later Stephen Vote so fast fastball any yanked homerun. So a couple of home runs a little double in the fourth inning not a terrible adding I mean it was nearly a quote unquote quality start, which is six innings of three run baseball stupid anyone five and two third innings allowed three runs when I don't like the quality start stat, it's dumb six innings three runs is a four point five. Is that really equality? No, it's that could be for another iteration of the wrap up show should be seventy three runs. But I digress seven, the problem was seven innings in baseball. Today's like you wouldn't ever have quality starts over the course of. A million seven inning game so. What is the starter go seven innings I I don't I mean you're right. It's out of the realm nowadays. All right around the NFL west here. Tonight, a big win for the giants at dodger stadium over L. A. Five four game where Mike Ish ski homers and Johnny Cueto Loses a no hitter in the sixth inning on a ball hunter pence never saw in the outfield despite that San Francisco wins five four, the dodgers only two. Hits and home in the loss also in the west tonight is hotter team in baseball other than the MARLINS. Well, there is it's the rockies who went in Seattle five to nothing Charlie blackmon three more hits. He's sitting four, forty six on the year. If it wasn't for Charlie blackmon right now, for Naoto teased junior would be the clear front runner for the MVP and the National League. But this Charlie, Blackmon you send me a stats tonight. He's in Damn near five hundred. It's not outside the realm of possibility. This dude, it's four hundred, right not playing for the rockies and playing sixty games right now I'm not saying he's going to do it, and by the way, Donovan Solano in the West is sitting over four hundred with the giants another lay. It's insane. You look at. You look at Solano couple of late bloomers have an amazing years right now before the giants are not going to be a walkover team this year let's take a look at the NFL. Standings were the rocky surprisingly are in first place and comfortably right now eleven three, a game and a half better than the dodgers were ten and five, the padres over five hundred. But now three and a half games out of first place at eight and seven the giants by virtue of their win tonight are seven and nine five games out of first place and the diamondbacks. A half game behind the giants are six and nine teams, two, three and four in this division. Actually two through five right now separated by four games. All five teams by five and a half games five and a half games is actually a little more of a distance that I thought. We'd see at this point in the season, but it would not surprise me Jim if a team like the diamondbacks or the giants can hang around with teams like San Diego and or Colorado for good portion of this year and how important does tomorrow's game be for the podge? You're about to embark on a long road trip coming up here with four at dodger stadium. Tomorrow you do not want to drop the rubber match because then you've lost three straight series, two teams inside of your division when playing games and winning games inside of your division is the most important thing. This year it's it's almost virtually everything you're playing every game it seems like a someone in your vision. So to drop three straight series to the diamondbacks rockies and the dodgers and you're heading into over by the way, a four games set starting Monday night at dodger. Stadium. Tomorrow's game. It's very important I feel it's really important. You're right the L. A. FOR SERIES KICKS OFF Nine Game Road trip that also includes your final games against the diamondbacks of the regular season. You'll be done with Arizona having played all ten games on the upcoming road trip, and then also pair of games against the Texas Rangers in Arlington. So a nine game road trip two longest of the season for the padres awaiting after Sunday's series finale as the Padras to your point could really use a rubber match win with two Nelson La Matt on the mound one no one point seven, two euros. This year mad bomb has struggled. He's two. He's got a seven point Oh four. You fear that he's do lament lifetime against Arizona has not been good. He's one in one of the nine point four, five, zero and three starts Bumgarner was beat on opening day. He's only thirteen eleven lifetime against the PADRAS. Three Point Four, three era tomorrow will be his thirty seventh career start against San Diego thirty seventh. I want to say he's pitched pretty well at PETCO I don't know if his records good but he only gave up three runs on that opener. that. To add to the fifth inning right to outs in the fifth excuse me to the. Yes you almost got through six and he went on a stretch their we retired a bunch in a row. So you you're right. You just hope that with all the struggles that Bumgarner has faced this year he doesn't turn it around starting tomorrow and you hope it's the other way and Machado and fam start getting hot. Before this road trip padres could use the series win, and by the way, in this series, many hits lodgers have had with men in scoring position. As zero one they've had won. Single that didn't score. Off, double in that third inning when they didn't score. Happy Birthday Greg Garcia Happy Birthday Greg Garcia and the padres in this series have had five at bats with men in scoring position in two games. Five bats with men in scoring he walks like three or four to two one in the series here the total tonight Arizona victorious with three runs on five hits and errors. They leave on five. San. Diego to runs on seven hits and an error, the padres left on. Four winning pitcher is Merrill Kelly he moves to two and one he went six innings allowed just one run did not walk a batter and struck at four losing pitcher Chris, Paddock and five and two third innings allowed three runs on five hits. There was a save credit credit in this game to Archie Bradley. His third of the year, he worked a Hitless scoreless ninth inning Tomah game was two hours and fifty one minutes. The padres will. Wrap up the series tomorrow at one ten against the diamondbacks. Our next wrap up show follows tomorrow series finale against the diamondbacks. At one ten, we'll be on the air immediately following the final out on actually thirteen sixty and the IHEART radio APP. For Jim Russell Object John for again a final tonight from PETCO diamondbacks three padres too. You've been listening to the wrap up show on xtra thirteenth sixty. You've been listening to the wrap up show be listening after every padres game is John Shaffer and Jim Russell breakdown. 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We we have a player homering and literally every game which I did not predict we have mass adds and drops fantasy managers as always overreact. There's extreme lack of clarity closer situations. In other words, simple the first week of a big league season. Like, always I do not believe that fantasy leagues have already been won or lost to you know, what won or lost legal ready. But you lied. It's not even a full week yet. It's only four days in the books, and it's already been that this. I love it. I love it. Thank you baseball for coming back and for games the count. Day. As right. All right. Let's give lost to get to on this today show two shows a week. None of time. Let's get to it right away. Here's the buzz. Okay. This is the topic of my blog article today. C three of the top five on the play rate are Mariners marriages beat up. The Red Sox is scored thirty four runs and four games. This twenty eight runs and fifteen innings off Boston starting pitchers, and we can debate which starting pitchers are the best in which aren't obviously doesn't like one of them. But. General sense early on this show? I just wanna get your take on what's real. And what's not to me? Very little has changed. If you're drafted a player, you did it for a reason and nothing changed in one start or a weekend of at bats. You know, I I love the Mingo Santana, and I made that clear in the blog, but I'm not recommending Tim Beckham. Or Ryan Healy I like John Peterson to a degree. But I'm not changing my season projections for him either. And we'll get to the pitchers Chris sale and had water wad Rigas. So is there anybody really changed your mind on already not really know? And we'll get to for example, the Seattle Mariners bullpen which had changed because of an injury. But beyond that. No. As a matter of fact, I've gone back to my rankings a couple of times trying to see whether there's anything I would change even a minor way. And I'm not really compelled to do it yet. A lot of the players who were doing things that are very extrordinary are ones that we already made account. We accounted for those things in the project. You mentioned Peterson a minute ago. He was one who is. I did expect to hit for a little power. But the playing time is still in question. Tim Beckham still got some questions about playing time over the course of the year. I don't know that we can really react too much to that the so far little surprised by for example, high on the player called long. But again, the projection I have for the full season has questions can't change that yet either. The only thing I was really looking at is taking notes on guys who looked a little bit more impressive or not. As a matter of fact, I was watching the Chris paddock started wanted to see pitch by pitch. How this thing went? I was impressed by what I saw there that kind of solidifies the optimistic projection I had at the end of spring training looking at some of the fastball velocities? Just so I can take notes to track these guys over the next couple of starts. Paddock was so good. If Korea there was panic is is good. But that doesn't change anything. We thought we knew he was good. Oh, we don't know if you get one hundred fifty innings or not like if he had given up five runs in that out in. I still wouldn't have changed my mind. I'm not changing my mind on Chris sale. I'm not changing my mind on Zach Grinky. I'm not changing my mind on Beckham like. Colder one could have had a week like this in June, and nobody would have cared sale. Could've gotten Lytton out in Indiana. And by the way, Seattle's offense is not that bad fresh inal hitters that lineup. It's fine. I like Santana they they have a decent offense. It's not that bad. So the Red Sox are going to be fine. Nobody in Boston should be worried. But we're obviously seeing a lot of addresss. We're seeing tweets should cut this guy. I'll say this hitters nothing. That might go Franko great. But he's not going to forty home runs with pitchers on looking at change in velocity. A new pitch. Bad pitch a pitch. It isn't working obviously an injury with sale of a lawsuit down with Gregg of Lasi is always down. I really don't think I'm going to overreact to anything that. I saw this weekend at all except for opportunity and injury. That's the only things right. And not a lot really happened there. And again as I was saying four days versus seven has a little bit to do with that. So maybe on Thursday, we're a little bit more reactionary to your point about the velocities? I actually am more. Interested in the guys who gained velocity than I am in the ones who lost philosophy the ones who lost. The Las tweeted about this in a lot of people overreacted. It doesn't mean I'm downgrading them. They're just in my notebook guys. I need to track to see whether this is a trend going forward. The ones who gained Renault. The Lopez gained a lot of velocity and his first start column. Acute gained a decent amount of velocity in his first start. Another promising Stephen Strasburg could be a potential sign of good healthier gained a bit in terms of fastball velocity and water Rodriguez. So therefore who went right down in the notebook. I'm not changing my rankings of them are my projections. But I'm interested. We have breaking news on injured list in for top twenty hitter. We'll get to that a little bit later in the show. So you wanna stick around for that? Well, you probably know by now anyway, most added lists. Let's just go through that just ever so briefly here you tell me. Yes, or no. Would you add these guys in order, Tim Beckham Seattle? Yes. Or no. Only if there's aids so no. For me. What can there be needing attain or throw team standard mixed? No. The answer is no they're back there. Well, yeah. Okay. Expanding it to more people than that. I've got a couple of weeks where I did look at Tim Beckham as an ad only. Yes. In our standard lead, which was actually points. Not a rodeo. I would not have an appoints or I tweeted this out during Jordan's zero throwing perfect game. I'm like, I don't care if he completes the perfect game. I'm still not adding and people were like, you're nuts. He's awesome. Now, we not always on outing. If you want to add if you want to add Zimmerman, good luck. If you wanna add Lucas, g Lido, I won't tell you not to as long as you're not dropping like, for example, or water on Riga's in a general sense. Don't cut guys who were supposed to be your number two three or four starters to pick up Lucas g Lido who had one outing against terrible offensive team, by the way. Jay Lido, a quick note on hammett's that he actually showed one of and it's one start again, not panicking here the largest declines invest ball velocity in that outing. So there's a little bit of smoke and mirrors involved. I'm not going anywhere near Lucas g alita if you want to stash on your bench, and you're not dropping anybody important, if you're dropping Nixon Zell or hunter Renfro or Archie, Bradley. He not getting saves go forward but anyway, other outed players for now. Obviously you add all formats to Mingo Santana, I've been saying this for months Ataman, all formats and Rican Hernandez, they just destroyed. Arizona pitching Hernandez Peterson. I think their bench guys attending teamer, but Hermanas can't play middle infield. He's got power paddock. Add stroman. Top fifty starter. Maybe maybe the ks really are the only reason I think that's debatable. But that was very good. I did watch almost every pitchy through in that game. Very impressed by that Hernandez, by the way, the quick note on him is hitting righties a little bit more effectively showing some power there does make him a borderline. I'd say in the twelve team mix leagues. And I think the position flexibility has quite a bit to do with that. Greg hound is the top closer being added. I know you hate him body number eight on the most adults. He's closer it's clear. Colton Wong is number nine. Adam we call them Wong. Hernandez. You have one spot who was an end as by a good margin. Really? Okay. All right. I didn't think it'd be by good margin. But I would agree. It's Hernandez Yuri is being added Healy, you don't want Ryan Healy, Luke Voight, I'd take Luke void overrun Healy. Let's put it that way. We'll get to the closers. Let's go now to the injuries here and will leave the closers Alec at that in the carousel. Daniel Murphy, the Rockies tendon damage in his finger. It's fractured. He's meeting today with a specialist it might be more than two weeks. It might be two months if you roster Daniel Murphy, and I'll include Justin Upton here to upends out to the three months scooter Ginette, south two to three months. Murphy could be out to three months in order. You keep these guys stashed do cut them. Oh boy. You know, I mean considering who's on the DL so far and we only have one spot in our leagues you've got to be aggressive with your moves. And that means you're gonna have to let these guys go. Murphy is the one who stands out to me is try to try as much as you can to keep them. I think just based on the fact that he's got that great contact abilities got a little bit of off to a swing and he's got chorus field working for him. Even if he does miss say, two months, or so I think there's enough potential there that for now that's the first one I would be keeping on my deals, but up then I really hate to let him go. I guess I don't know. I'm fan. He's very consistent before this injury. I try to keep them, but he'd be second on that list. No, I think I keep a net now over opted if you can get that at production at second base, and they're gonna miss the same amount of time. I think that's what I would do their injury the yours anti position flexibility as anybody else out there or position scarcity as anybody out there, why Janette over dot explain that. I I love Jeanette if they were both healthy, I would take net over Upton. So if the both gonna miss the same amount of time, why wouldn't I do the same difference? Here is Janette was injured a while ago. And Upton was not, but if they're both going to miss two to three months, and I like Ginette better. Anyway, it's really not about the position. I understand you me. But it's like Ginette better than. Explained it. Well, and if you personally prefer Janetta over Upton, then I completely understand it that does explain it for me. It's up over your Yankees are disabling number three hitter. That's Giancarlo Stanton. They're calling up. Lynn Frazier today. What is this the latte strain with Stanton that could upstream a bicep string? So that would be four worse the biceps. So this might be short term injury. Obviously, you're not dropping stand. But what do you do with Yankee outfitters over the next two weeks? Ricin is phrased Frazier must add I don't think he is break ordered and hit this weekend. Hicks is still not back. Frazier might play. I think he might well play. This is a tremendous opportunity for him considering all the other injuries clearing the spot for him. So he's got a hit right away. He's got a lot of bad luck. In terms of injuries. I think anything that's deeper than our standard game. And as a matter of fact deeper than I'll say the twelve team team mixed leagues. I would be adding him just because he's a good speculative play throw them onto your bench. If you have the space to do. It because he will play pretty regularly the Yankee lineup I'm a little bit concerned about now though because this does shake things up a little bit more Hicks losing the guy was going to be the leadoff man was a bit of a problem in the first place losing number three hitter. At this stage also kind of shakes things up a bit. So I expect to see a little rotation as the Yankees try to put something together over the next several days. Thirty seconds. We talk saints, by the way, getting tickets online can be far too complicated with hundreds of sites and varying levels of reliability. It is hard to know who to trust. And that's why seek is the way to go. Seek pulls millions of tickets into one place that you can easily find seats you want for a price. You're willing to pay. There's nothing quite like being there in person and sequel get you closer to the action for a great value seeking designed to make your ticket buying experience easier than ever by searching multiple ticket sites. 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Arguably, I just don't think that's going to happen. What do you think happens with the brewer bullpen? I do think Jefferson is going to probably get the majority of saves when he's healthy at this point. He pitched quite effectively last year as long as it's not any lingering injury issues. I do think he's probably going to figure in there because you can use hater a little bit better as a two inning kinda guy setting him up. And I think he will still get saves, but we might be looking at twenty versus fifteen from the day going forward. But yeah, you're right. Hater could put up an all time year. If he is the guy there's the path is right there. Head of him. There's just no indication that Craig counsel wants to do that. He didn't do it last year and can wasn't effective for half the year. I just feel like even a Barnes would get some saves or Jimmy Nelson who frankly could end up in the boop getting saves that was rumored this weekend as well. Now, I do not hate the brewers. People Corbin burns them brand Woodruff on half my teams. I don't hate Christian yelich. I will admit he's gonna hit twenty five home runs. Probably about the end of April that production is wrong. I admit okay is obviously the fly ball tendency had the final six weeks last season is still here. Carl's pitchers could do nothing with him yellow could have a month. We all forty five home runs this year. I admit it. But hater, I'm not backtracking there, and I have nothing against any of your teams. Okay. I would add Geremi Jeffers now just in case because I feel like in two weeks. He's gonna get a lot of saints. Who are really good team? That's all. Moving on next. Save situation for Seattle who gets the call there. I I I picked up so hundred Strickland got the saves in Tokyo, and then he has a right lateral. He's out months. People. Don't keep hunter Strickland rostered in your league. He's out months. I thought the next guy to get was Corey Garin. And in a league that you Leo reenactor picked him up in like the Email reserve rounds and that look ridiculous when Garin couldn't throw a strike on Sunday. Clearly wasn't Nick Rumbelow who got Saturday save. And then came in Sunday in the fifth inning somebody out of him to I chase in bradfor-. I mean, I don't know who Seattle's next closer is. I think devoid it, right? Yeah. Can I be a jerk to say who cares? Well, every situation matters. No. I don't think I don't think this one matters. I really feel like this is just a mix and match of ordinary kind of guys. And all right. I can make the case for Anthony spores AC when he's healthy, which probably will happen within about a week's time. But I'm not excited about it. That feels like when remember when he filled in for the Mets, very briefly and had maybe two weeks worth of value. I feel like we're looking at that. You're chasing saves your throwing away Fabri source. Don't do it. Some pitch them relief pitchers. I like more after the week. And again now this is about opportunity and performance. That's the difference. Archie, Bradley can be awesome. He's not there closer for our Zona. Greg Holland has to be moved up feelers. Even if again, he's going to have a Batty array might be Shane green in the National League. But I think he's gonna get the saves. I think Baltimore and opened up. Now, it's not necessarily Michael Gibbons pitching the eighth inning yesterday. I think Boston's clearly Matt Barnes if they get another safe Shantz. I think it's I'm concerned about Rozelle laziest. I don't think Cincinnati's closer. I think he's set man probably for David or nana's as you would project it early in the season area. I'm not there yet with Cincinnati. I see where I see where it's heading with him. But I'm not convinced that that's locked in yet. If you had one royals relief pitcher would it be in Kennedy. Yeah. I guess as a matter of fact, there is a super deep league. I have where I did put in a claim on them. So yeah, that's probably where I'd go. I mean, I mean, obviously can see to me is a little bit like Seattle. We don't know for sure. But in least been around a while. That your statement. He got the miniature statement also this weekend after that game in which he got the save that he likes Peralta and he likes Kennedy as options in the ninth inning. And the fact that that came with the move of Ian Kennedy unexpectedly to the bullpen at the end of spring training signal to me something about the having the managers trust here. So from that aspect, I feel like at least the finger pointing at him like this is my guy. Bad weekend for Jordan Hicks and Andrew Miller. I would I think if you tell me one team that gets Craig Campbell in the next three days. I think it's the cardinals. That would be great. But not good for Hicks or Miller. Well, Miller we didn't expect for saves. Anyway, any other situations of note here do little didn't pitch. Great. But you got the win. Trevor Roosevelt look bad. I really think now the Phillies. No, Philly closer will get twenty saves shape. Yeah. I'm on leaning in that direction with you as well feel like they're gonna that's very much make some as a matter of fact, it's alarming how many truly mix and match. Bullpens we discovered there are this weekend. The Minnesota Twins being the next one that comes to mind for me Taylor. Rogers was the only guy came on in relief in the opening game. Which signal to me, I mean. Yeah, the matchups did dictate but it was worth while he using him. But that he might be everybody up there with guys like Blake Parker who pitched the ninth in the second game. And Trevor may the twins will mix match onto ruckus Delhi. So definitely big change. There. All right. We love versatile players. The homers the steals. Here's our first edition of the combo meals. All right. And these three gentlemen, still a lot of bases. But they're not really known for their power. Trae Turner, how to two home run game on Sunday. The line of shields at a grand slam off an angry. Cole hamels was not getting close pitches in his return to Texas, and there's Smith who has very little power. But these guys could all steel I mean Turner were expect unexpecting fifty seals to shield them expecting twenty-five now Smith, I'll say thirty you agree with all that. Yeah. And I might even up up a couple of saves. I'm sorry steals projections. Turner's matter of fact, I think could get more than that the fact that he's still three basis on opening day kind of signal that maybe Dave Martinez was serious about giving him seventy five to eighty attempts. And I think Malik Smith based on his Ross speed. I think could exceed your thirty steals their I like the numbers of projection, but I think he could exceed it. I think the all could question is health with a couple of them. But and Seattle's I think Seattle manager realizes Dee Gordon about ninth, Alex, Mr. about I one of them gets on base. So when they hit consecutively that they could make havoc on the basis looking at the schedule for the next couple of days next year is not Thursday four games accord Rupel header on ESPN today starting well, you probably probably already started. If you're listening cardinals and pirates will avoid that one. But later in the day White Sox and Indians Indians. Look bad, not hitting it. All cubs at Braves brace pitchers. Not a good weekend. But they didn't have their best pitchers out there. And then the very late night game. Drew Pomeranz of San Francisco at the dodgers. And holy Orioles. I'm watching aureus. Now, the giants offense is dreadful one of the worse than baseball. But aureus is available in your league. Adam now before he pitches tonight. You don't probably I would activate. I don't know who the second start of the week is against, but that's. Cores? Now that I'm not the activating him. But I'm stashing for sure because he could be really good. And we know that ESPN plus has the Mets and the Marlins Caleb Smith pitching for the Marlins against Steven Metz. You could argue Caleb Smith not only tonight, but long-term can make that argument. Yeah. You definitely could matter of fact, I would start him for that one. I like the to start matchups for those in the weekly leagues. I think he's also an underrated option in the points leagues because he gets more ks than people think that he does. So definitely him. I liked the Matt straw matchup against Zona home game there based on what he did during spring training you when I watched him quite a bit. I like the upside there are some very interesting arms here who are absolutely worth watching and another one for me that I'm not starting. But watching his Domingo's, Vermont the Yankees. Watch out for hours Ona's lineup Christian Walker. I've been telling everybody powers real he should be playing a left and seven day lamb. Now. We're hearing land might some third base to get walkers bat into the lineup MARTINI stole a base. That's interesting. And I want to see what Meera remember Kelly. Does. It was well and the Padres outfield. I mean hundred run froze the gotta drop right and just not not lying regularly moving onto to today's. Plus Chris sale in a second outing at Oakland against Mike. Fires I expect sale. Be better in this one. Don't you? I I do and without question. You're starting in for this game. I don't care what how he looked. How Veloce wasn't game on your starting in period? Please don't eight one outing. I mean, yes, it was great. The Jordan Zimmerman did well now he's he's stadium on Tuesday. You're crazy. If you start Jordan Zimmermann Yankee Stadium. It doesn't mean it'll be awful. But the numbers for the last couple of years velocity, readings tell us don't buy in Tuesday night price. Offer returns, the Washington max sure, it was the starting pitcher. Who hits more home runs? This. You hear Christian yelich Bryce Harper and how ninety. I will take Harper with thirty seven I will too. I don't wanna totally just run away from on yellow prediction, but it just torched a cardinals someone's like they had no clue at the deal with them. But I have to expect was hitting thirty five runs. Now. Harker looks great Phillies lineup is so deep. Mike L Franko. He might heat the record for home runs out of a number eight slot in a season is twenty two Franko can twenty two now he may not seven. It was a long time ago. Jim bottomley? I don't remember guys was I thought it was it was not recent. I thought it was bro. I think it was. Yeah. And I saw on TV the record for most home runs out of the nightside. Mike boorda? And Rick Dempsey believe in a career as nine out of nine spot. Now, eight spot the record is like fifty years old with twenty because if you hit them an runs, you move up Phillies lineup you really can't do that. Anyway, that should be interesting Phillies in the nationals. They start their series of brief series on Tuesday. And the other starters here that we need to mention the pickup don't worry about snail be fine cow free, Tampa, you want them that outing. I think I I added yeti in every league is that wrong. Is it right le-let's bringing win here before your time? Runs out. Yanni? Gimme his final numbers. Batting average homers Rb up. Two eighty batting average. Seventeen homers seventy RBI. He hammers the ball, but it is always into the ground. Yeah. But he makes good contact. He's occasionally going to drive the ball. But yeah, the ground ball rates probably going to be still at fifty percent. I like your project. I team because there's no. They're not yet. Pull it in the second half. And do that is PIN on Wednesday night. John lesser and Julio Theron to pitchers I'm pretty sure trista does not like I did get Lester in a couple of leagues. Just because nobody wanted him. I don't think he's going to be that bad this year three seventy five year a fifteen I'll take that to Ron worry about all those this first game wasn't all that bad at Philadelphia. Anything you want to say here. I mean, obviously, the trains are not working well for or Theron. I I don't know that I dislike either guy. I actually I'm personally very big Theron fan I have been for a while. But I didn't like the value on Lester, and I feel like in Toronto case, I just don't think there's an awful lot of upside. So I just didn't rank in that great. But yeah, definitely keep an eye on that. See how they do in the second starts for for those guys. I wanna see the Ross stripling game. I still am a very big believer in him. It's a good match. We've been kinda rail in on the giants lineup their home game against them. I think that's one of the better match ups of the week. And at least of the ones that aren't already obvious. And I add ING for Freddie, Peralta. Milwaukee did not go. Well, couldn't throw strikes. He's on ESPN plus Wednesday afternoon. I'm gonna use them answer your door. I'm gonna use, Freddie. Peralta at Cincinnati on Wednesday. What say you that whole that whole rotation? You know, I love Woodruff you stolen from me in that PIN league over the weekend. I should've taken first round pick. I didn't do it. I've got burns league kurban burns who struck out what twelve yesterday and five innings. That's a lot Nelson on on the recovery from the shoulder Jack eighties. I added in tower 's right who start week for exact eighties. One is Cincinnati. So I added Zach Davies I didn't have to cut anybody. It was cheap. I'm gonna miss us on Freddie, Peralta and the brewers. I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big Peralta guy. And I'm not a big Davies guy. Nobody wanted Davies and draft. So I did end up in one or two shares of him just because I think you can mix and match there. But he just doesn't get the case to be trusted. And I don't think that pretty Peralta. Really has the stuff to be a high impact fantasy pitcher? I think that this this year the second time around the league for him. I think people have a book on him. And I feel like it showed up in that. First. Start your home is important. That's why gyco helps make it easy to save on homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place home is where you have a cute little reading for those rainy days when you want to curl up with a good book. But you don't even read. So you just sit in there during thunderstorms and scroll through means on your phone and laugh in the darkness. The geiko insurance agency could help protect the dark mean filled corner you call home call gyco. See how easy it is to switch and save on homeowner's insurance. It's it's a soothing music salsa, soothing and know that their state baseball today. I love it. So this GAM maybe it's supposed to. Schedule friday. There was no base. Born you really need to be off on the second day of the season. Really? That's the that's the rain fallback. If there's rain outs on opening day than they can pump the openers into the Friday day games in the the cold weather in rainy about this Friday. Well, okay. So for not playing this Friday two because those are a couple of cases worth the home openers for those teams are on Thursdays. So they're probably running the same thing. If that's not the explanation for certain teams that I'm totally with you. I green it's terrible. Baseball all dead today. Let's get some questions all the best way to do it. We got Ryan coming in with a question on Twitter, you want to know why David Robertson had such a rough outing rough weekend realistically, and how safe is his job in the ninth inning. I don't think his job was ever safe at all in the ninth inning. I think when Kappler said he was going to miss his match, he meant it. I think I recommended Robertson month ago. And then I started to realize that that's just not going to happen Phillies beat reporters were saying this. I didn't believe them originally because it capitalist got three Rhianna arms one. They can all get left. He's out. They can all strikeouts. Differing levels of experience. If that game last night was four to one instead of five to one I believe Hector, Nara still a close it out. I think Saturday it was the Mingas. I think they're all going to get doubled into saves. So in terms of leash I wouldn't worry about robbers struggling if you wanna drop Robertson in your ten or twelve team league because you're afraid you're not gonna get twenty saves. Go ahead who are you? Adding are you adding Greg Holland or Shane green or somebody? I don't safer you can have a more valuable season of a relief pitcher if you'd get you eight. Eighty strikeouts and two seventy five year. Ray we've only twelve saves as opposed Reenen. Greg holland. They're going to do for. I don't follow the Philly's like Eric does. So I don't entirely know that I have right to judge on their usage to the bullpen this weekend. But Robertson did pitch the ninth two of those three games the two games in which he made an appearance and to me, I still think he'll be involved. But I agree with you that it's going to be mixing match and heavily mix match. I still think Robertson leads the bullpen and saves. I just don't think it's the number through twenty five is the number of the preseason. Let's temper that low. I'd say twenty around twenty for him. But Dominguez should get teams if he's a twenty then in you said airi'q that innings might be more valuable than saves at that point. Would you take Archie Bradley over? No. Robertson could have the same season as Archie Bradley era whip and strikeouts. Archie Bradley's not exactly he's not one hundred strikeout guy. Right. And Bradley saves. Fifteen. I mean, you're you're also found right Holland. If we're having this conversation in July and how the closing like Shane green. I think the same thing. I really do. I think Archie, Bradley and Joe Jimenez are set up guys for their teams. They are not going to be closed this year. I'm gonna maybe I'm wrong. But I'm going to bet on how and keeping the job. If Holland has the Rockies hear that. He had. Yeah. You're right. Bradley's not gonna figure it all. And then it's Robertson by handy margin. And like exactly you said there about Archie, Bradley. I think there's this perception that he's one hundred K guy. He's not he's a nine per nine guy. Eric you mentioned earlier there who we've got Jim Carlos Stanton being placed on the I L list recently guys take on that moving forward. Yeah. I think you're some mentioned it for Asian should play. And not going to bat him third or fourth. So you're a little bit concerned about to run production in the middle of the lineup. But Luke Boyd looks fine. Luke Voight looks like I wanna compare him to somebody as established like first base numbers. Like, he's not going to do what? Hey sag of are in. But. Let me think of a first basement here 'cause I wanna get this one. Right. Like, Luke voice of twenty five Homer guy who bats to ninety isn't. He. Yeah. I didn't do that with the cardinals. But. I feel like maybe the average just a little bit up domestic. But the homers might be under projecting. It. What strikes me about void is that? He he's got a little of the JD Martinez flare where I love the power ability to the opposite field in Yankee Stadium. It is an extremely underrated fit for the park. And I might have just massively underrated them to the point that he could be better than Hayes Aguilar where we drafted Aggie lar in the preseason. He could be better than that. There is an upside that reaches that ceiling. So is he maybe Richmond? The the witch the same power with a higher batting average. I think I think there's a path where Luke void could end up higher on the player whiter than I'm not even talking teacher. I'm talking like Edwin Encarnacion, Justin Smoak Jose, bro. I think there's a path where Luke void beats them. All out on the player. Yes. To me Voy. It's already clear step ahead of krone. So I just you know, I'm feeling like I did not get anywhere near enough shares. Void I hate to overreacted just a couple of days with that. But I saw the opposite field power. And I didn't I didn't invest enough. Yeah. It looks legit. I would say the Yankees they made a good higher on Luke. Void because you know, hiring is challenging, but there's one place. 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We got Nick coming in from Twitter here. He bought heavily into Joe musk grove this off season. But notice coming out of the bullpen this weekend. Should he be concerned or dropping him really eventually be in the rotation? People overreact ashamed. Bieber's the other one tristen, and there's probably others who are promising fourth or fifth starters for their team, but causes so many ridiculous off days in the first week. They paged. I'm sure can be aren't the only ones right? Yeah. They're the two most prominent ones this. This reaction is utterly irrelevant. One hundred percent because they first of all the pirates had a rain out. That's what caused must grove to get pushed back. They didn't want to waste him and have him sit for a week not pitching it. All he scheduled a pitch. The Thursday gaming the reds at home, assuming they're no delays between now. And then and Bieber I think people are reacting a little bit too much to the Indians. Putting Corey kluber on the four days rest schedule. So he will pitch the Tuesday game and bieber's gonna slot in there. Either Wednesday Thursday Friday, most likely they're gonna find a way to get them into their rotation. But they're in the rotation. These guys are locked in. There's no real questions for me. Between beaver and muskrat like more. Bieber for me. Okay. We've got Spencer on Twitter here asking if Murphy is basically just discount trae Turner this season. I kinda thought he was back in drafts. Tristen American around four was a much better value to me turn around one. I don't think Murphy steals as many bases Turner hit as many home runs. But everywhere else the pretty similar. They're pretty similar. I feel like Turner's got a little bit more natural power. I know the grumble rates don't back that up. But if you look at things like the underlying metrics stat cast data hard contact rate, the quality of contact fraternities a little bit more power potential of the two of them. And if he does attempt more stolen bases of the two that's going to make him worth where he was drafted. I agree with you that that Maryvale was very good value. I feel like his ADP was lower than what I ranked in valued him in drafts. So I don't think it's really as far apart as people expect, you know, you wanna say discount trae Turner. I think I saw the original tweet for this where it said one or two rate wait five to six rounds. You know, later to get married that wasn't happening that wasn't having no stolen bases for your boy. Adalberto Mon to see if he has no steals in on April. Twentieth. People started dropping. Oh. Yeah. You don't agree. If you're not asking, whether they should you're asking whether they will. And they will they're probably already doing. They're probably already doing. Honestly, I I'm just not even going on Twitter anymore to look at this stuff. Twitter. That's that's just Adra hops. I yeah. I understand that. If you're not going to be positive or have to I don't have the time. Yes. I don't think Monti's being dropped yet. But we were comparing modesty to turn a month ago. We really should have been comparing Mira field. Yeah. We've we've done the Monty and trae Turner comp and. I'm I'm scratching the word comp there. They don't belong but mayor field. Yeah. Fair. Come. I mean, I don't I don't think we did anything wrong by not coming. These two players. I think we ranked mayor field fairly appropriately. Sounds good. What else we got? All ready. Ted has sons Belling Kingery and only redraft -ly. He wants to know if he can consider dropping either or both of them this early in the season. And only how can you drop either? Those guys I can't so much upside I'll tell you this king is not gonna play send Zell when he's healthy will play. I think regularly probably in center field. I don't I mean Kingery and less Franko or Cesar Hernandez, get hurt. Cambridge's? Just ain't gonna get the Betts gonna about two hundred times this year. And that's it. He can still twelve basis doing that. But I don't see how Kingery we always tell you draft skills not role. But man, this Phillies team, I have an outfit got hurt. Nick Williams would play over Kingery. So this is only second short third. We know how durable those guys are. So I don't see. But again, I can't drop either them can you? I leaned towards no, I mean, every situation is different here. I cannot see how you'd cut sons L everything explained their explains why you shouldn't do that. I could see it maybe with Kingery if you have a need or if there's something that's interesting on your waiver wire. But and I know nobody cares about this league. Whatever it's a nine team league of mine that I have where the top five free agent names on the hitting side are Daniel discolsed. Oh, jed Jerko, Mark Reynolds. Airman Perez and Curtis Granderson are any of them really that much more interesting than Kingery, maybe by hair, but not enough that I'm racing to cut him nine team NL. I mean labor is twelve team in L. And I'm trying to think I was going to sign somebody to replace launches an hall suing the site put him on the deal. And I think the best name was Jose, glazed. Yes. And he went for too much money that I was I didn't even bother activated. Dominic smith. There's nothing vailable infrequency frequency, and why send Kim. Or your sins L there? I can't do that. But if I was gonna cut one of them, I guess it'd be Kingery and have to be king. Wouldn't it saw tweet this morning about Tim Beckham going for like seventy eight bucks in one of those expert leagues? Like these only leagues have nothing on the wire to the point where like Kingery is just an injury to one of what five players away from playing everyday for a couple of months. So just one if say Hernandez goes on the deal with a hamstring or Franko today king the everyday player there. Right, right. That's what I'm any five players because like he could play five different positions. In fairness to that experts. If it happened to be the one just listener should keep in mind, the towers fab is thousand dollar budgets, so just divided by ten so it's seven dollars and eighty cents which to me is still a lot in one hundred fab league for Tim Beckham. Look, I paid three dollars present eighties. Somebody paid hundreds of dollars for some like, I don't remember the player, but I can look like. Far different thing. I paid three cents Zach Davies in a traditional hundred league spayed three cents. That's good pickup. I thought so I try to spend eight on Taylor Rogers. And he went for over one hundred dollars. Which means it's basically he went for like twelve dollars out of one hundred now, and I just wasn't willing to spend an ice should spend more. But I also don't really have Nedley. You have to have an active when you add them, which is why I had to wait for u n d az because I've Chris Davis already at the age any is going to be eligible at third base in a week or two that's going to. We'll talk about position chain eligibility. Changes adds a guest because nobody's losing anything. But India's is one of the guys to watch their tryst and he's going to add third base eligibility soon. Maybe first base to another one that I've been looking at is Jose Peraza. I think has shot at second. If I'm not mistaken, right? He's probably your middle. Infielder. Not you're starting shortstop. But Jake Lambeau I'd first base. I mean, there's a bunch of ones that kind of minor to me to me is a major one. Men choice. It'd be adding first base as well. Right. That's. Maybe you already have Nelson Cruz and your spot, you can activate Choi ideas. Also watch pitchers you guys remind me from wrong, but like com- McHugh is not starting pitcher eligible yet. And that I have a league where it's you have to have three relievers six starters, I've got McCue active instead of closer, which I could fall behind and saves, but I mean, McCue Hassen Rostro Brad Keller. I think is another might be trying to think who else I league I think he's dual. But I have somebody else who's just relief pitching I can't border. If we're was another. Corbin burns is another one. This was a huge controversy my points late where we had a guys that we cannot use are starting pitcher spots. There relief only Julio reassess was another one that comes to mind. We're talking about eight committed members of rotations that were draft worthy in that league that you couldn't slop there, and it's the Andy problem on the pitching side. So make sure you check those rules. These guys when they get the other spot that gives them a big advantage. And Leo tell me what you think of Yanni Torino's. I thought that was going to be an opener for two or three innings. I didn't think he was gonna go into the eighth inning. Yeah. I mean, honestly, my guess would have been that someone would have opened for him that he would have been a bulk guy. But yeah, they just put them out there, and let them go, and he was really officiant, which I think is the reason why he got so many innings in. We won't always see that many innings out of him. I don't think that you should expect quality starts regularly from Torino semen if he does start which I expect till hill follow when opener more often than he'll start. But yeah, he looked really good like watching him in paddock this weekend. Like, I was really I kind of you'd them on equal footing in terms of what I was seeing them. And I do believe that when Jose Alvarado does not get the saves. It's clearly steel I actually predict that I think maybe ten say's for custody. Oh is about all Alvarado gets hurt or use earlier in games? I think silting Alvarado gets around twenty five saves and can steal maybe ten. I would say both safely out of the opener discussion guess DO, maybe a little less. So I could see him doing it. But like Alvarado is a late inning leverage guy for sure. All right anymore Brown's here. Real one more hash Ron here. Coming from Eric. He wants to know who the best. Daniel Murphy replacement is he's got Castro McNeil low or Pender all available. Lau. Look at that. I'm going to start spelling differently. If you want home runs Brennan Lau, I think it hit more than twenty and I don't see him in the most out of list in the PIN most he didn't play a ton. But Joey Wendell got hurt and might be out for a little bit. So if brain allowed to start playing then you'll want to keep an eye on. Would you Tristan? Would you add Brennan Lau in Ricky Hernandes? Yeah. That's. I'm going to spec it that Brandon Lau, I I'm probably going to regret this. But I see something I really do too. But I don't know how you could Adam over Hernandez. I would add over over Jeff McNeil over Ian Kinzler over Pender Pender now is just platooning which and against lefties. So he's just not gonna play enough. Mcneil? I just don't think as power, but he's the third baseman for the Mets. He I Jeff nuke about three hundred. He can be you know, Kabar. No. No, I will ask a bar was a helpful fantasy option. He always hit for average yearly bad top of lineup. So we score runs. He never would hit like homers or still ten bases. So like we pick on them for that. But that's kind of Jesse right? I guess all right. Sad note. Today's the final show for our beloved editor watchdog, Leo Hal who is moving onto greater things at another company. And Leo, of course is. He's more than a co worker. He's a good friend of ours. We wish him well. And his in New York City. Stay in touch do. Well, there I think Tristan you you agree with by without question, do and thank you so much for all of your contributions to the show over the past several years. It's we're gonna miss you. We are. Guys. Thanks for. Allowing me a microphone thanks for being great co workers, and like you said friends and leak mates interest in for beating the every time he's in a league with me. It's been great. We got plenty of opportunities to change that this year. So we'll keep playing we'll keep competing. Well, dropping like flies here on the fantasy focus baseball. It's now tristen me and Kyle. Thank you so much for listening to Monday's show. I think we'll be back on Thursday. And we'll be talking baseball will be preparing for the weekend. I'm sure there'll be more injuries discuss yellow you'll have fifteen home runs by then they'll be new closers anyway, lots of discuss. So please everybody makes this show. Great and listens to us. We thank you for Leo for Kyle for tristen. I Eric have an awesome week. Dr.

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Mo Egger - April 23, 2021

Mo Egger

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Mo Egger - April 23, 2021

"Sure did how you doing good afternoon. My name's molecular. This is espn fifteen thirty eight now. I'm glad you're here. I hope your weekend is off to a great start. We have a lot to get to a ton to get him excited to have on jeff schwartz. He's going to be on this show at four twenty today eight year. Nfl offensive linemen. Who is is doing something. That i think is cool. He's an espn do those Groom quarterback camps where they would have quarterbacks in the draft and sometimes they were dudes like andrew lock and robert griffin the third. And sometimes guys lie kellen moore and they'd watch tape and go out on the practice field and jon gruden would basically break down their their game film and stuff like that jeff. Schwartz is doing that with offensive lineman air next week on f s. One penny soul is among the players who participates and jeff also decided to walk into the throes of bengals twitter today because he really really really really wants the bengals to drafted offensive lineman with the fifth overall. Pick and so. I'm looking forward to that conversation at at four twenty. But i'm starting the our here and maybe it's maybe it's because my normal producer isn't here today. Maybe my equilibrium has thrown. Maybe i just wanna get a jump start of the weekend. Maybe it's because i. I took yesterday off but i'm twitter at me. Fifteen thirty and every hour at the top of the hour. Tweet out for the people on social media. Here's what's coming up and haven't had a chance to finish. That tweet saw you. Can you give me thirty seconds here to to tweet out. What's what's happening on. On the bengals key. Biggest off sees tweeting at egger. Fifteen thirty see this sort of stuff. Alex that you have to get used to me doing completely interrupting the show so i could tweet stuff former. Uc safety eric. Forest is going to be on this. I'm looking forward to that. Derek forest is getting ready for the nfl draft after a very good career at the university of cincinnati. He is going to be on this show coming up in just about thirty minutes and in fact i actually just about twenty five minutes so i'm looking forward to doing doing that and then listen at. Espn fifteen thirty dot com slash. Listen now we can start the show. The reds had a disastrous week and disastrous. End to this homestand. They lose their last four yesterday. Falling to the diamondbacks fourteen to eleven. All three of these games against arizona were there for the taking none of them were one mostly because of the bullpen. And yeah we can complain about the weather and we can complain about david. Bell not stopping tuesday's game and we can complain about the umpire's the reality is the bullpen failed all three times in games. The reds had a chance to win. And i think you could argue at least individually. They should have one and so the reds are nine and nine right now. They are by very definition average there. Okay they're middle of the pack and yet they're still in contention although nobody's ever really completely punted out of contention after gesta eighteen games. I read today on reds content. Plus i get their newsletter and somebody made the point on there that the baseball season sort of fits into these nice little. Eighteen game blocks right the eighteen game chunks and so sometimes it's worth doing an assessment maybe after eighteen games or maybe after the next eighteen games. That's sort of how it works i. I'm willing to do that now. Because i think i can give you a definitive take on what the reds are. Are you ready there okay. I know that's what i've said all along. But that's if before the season we thought offensively they're going to be a little bit better. We thought they had a chance to have pretty good. Starting pitching. we thought louise casteel would be a big part of the reason. Why and obviously. That hasn't been the case but i think we also feared that the team's defense was not going to be very good. This team's defenses abysmal especially in the infield. We wondered about this team doing little things. The base running the other night with mark peyton at second base holding up and the third base coach. Jr house still waving them home and getting him thrown out by like ten feet. This team has such a small margin for error that i really worry about shrinking the margin for error by doing dumb things on the basis. And being bad in the field defensively i also worried about this team's bullpen. The team's bullpen. In series against arizona imploded thirteen and a third innings. They gave up twenty two runs. They walk seventeen guys and it didn't matter who they put in there. Yesterday there are awful. The reds are what we thought. They were better offense. only decent. Starting pitching defense is a mess. Bullpens going to be a weakness newest three weeks ago. No it now and how you feel about that. I guess is related to how you felt about this team coming into the season if you thought the reds are going to be really really really good and their bullpen. I complained about all off season. Olmo it's going to be fine. Derek johnson's gonna fix everybody. Well then i guess for mad if you're me it's frustrating to lose games like three. They did just lose against arizona but have have we really seen a weakness open up. That we didn't think was going to be a weakness. I guess you could say a mere garrett. I'll grant you that this. This team's bullpen. Issues are compounded by the fact that the guy who was supposed to be the best guy has been anything but an amir garrett's a big part of this team whether he's closing whether he's coming in the seventh inning. He's going to be asked to get high leverage outs and while it's cool that he's taken it on himself to get it fixed and he's pointed the finger directly at himself for the team losing when he's been in the game that's all well and good most important things he's got start getting guys out amir garrett has to be better but all those other dudes who didn't see this coming i mean you could take umbrage with how good i think rice ella glasses and his numbers early season numbers are skewed as numbers in anaheim aren't great because he's had two bad outings. You blow the importance of archie bradley to the team. Although there was something poetic i guess would be the right word fitting. Maybe the dude. What are the dudes. They traded for archie bradley. Who is of course no longer. Here is the guy who three run bomb on wednesday to tie the game against amir garrett josh van meter but the reds had one clear goal. This offseason it. It didn't it didn't take advanced analytics. You didn't need an advanced baseball mind to reach this conclusion. Their goal this offseason was to cut payroll. Maybe you're cool with them doing that. Maybe it's awful that they did that but clearly they went into the offseason wanting to determine to cut payroll and where they cut it most was in the bullpen where they willingly moved on from riceville league and traded him for a guy who didn't even make the team in fact ramirez just went back to anaheim and they willingly chose instead of bringing back archie bradley for about six million bucks or agreeing to terms with them and then trading him they willingly just let him go. Let them go away. Those are quality proven relief pitchers and to a degree. They've been replaced by guys. Who have no chance of any being anywhere near as good sierra l. perez and carson fulmer and sean doolittle who wasn't good last year like you get what you pay for you get what you pay for. It's about simply about spending money for the sake of spending. They willingly and knowingly. And depending on your point of view which i agree with understandably chose to cut payroll and do that at the expense of what could have been a strength. It doesn't help that. Michael lorenzen hasn't thrown a pitch this year and won't for a long time and it doesn't help that. Amir garib has not been as effective as he's been in the past the mirror. Garrett has to get fixed but from a roster building standpoint from the standpoint of putting together a team. They willingly and knowingly made a major part of their team not as good as it was last year. That means the results. Were going to be worse than they were last season and by the way there was a chunk of times last chunk of time last year in which the reds bullpen was initiated. So i don't like it. But i have a hard time getting angry at it because two reasons why one kind of knew the bullpen was gonna stink number two. I was patted on the head. When i said the bullpen was to omolo. Oh bob cass. he's gotta shave payroll. They couldn't sell tickets like okay. Fine if that's where you are but understand. It was likely going to come at the expense of a major component of the club. Now the frustrating thing is. I think we've arrived at a point where it's it's crystallized right. We feared the bullpen. Wasn't going to be very good now. Know the bullpens not very good but the real sobering thing is. It's probably not gonna get any better. We've played eighteen games. Probably not gonna get any better and probably not probably not gonna be able to pry away from other teams quality relief pitchers you can't call the angels back and go. Yeah that whole rice. A we'd like him back so you know and the to me the really frustrating thing was you knew. The starting pitching wasn't going to be as good. Because you don't have trevor bauer. You also knew it was a season in which bullpens we're going to matter more because teams really have to the workload of their pitchers at least early in the season because every starting pitcher in baseball. Who doesn't get hurt is gonna pitch exponentially more innings this year than last year and so mitigating that and handling that was gonna put more demand on your bullpen and the reds knew that and yet. And maybe. because maybe. If you're really invested in. Bob castellini hoarding every penny. This is cool with you. They willingly chose to make the bullpen worse. When you make something worse intentionally. The results aren't going to be better. That's how it is. So i don't know how it gets fixed can hope derrick johnson just goes to work and fixes all these guys that strikes me as a shaky strategy to center winning around the good news is this the reds are okay and i think they're gonna be about five hundred eighteen. That's exactly what they are right now. Milwaukee's playing really. Well a really under the radar just went to san diego and swept the padres and top to bottom. They look like they have the best team in the division. Many of us felt that way before the season. That's been the case the first couple of weeks. And if you haven't had a chance yet to watch what corbin burns's doing. I'm sure the reds will see him soon. Enough brewers here in a couple of weeks but beyond that everybody else in the division is like the reds okay treading water middle of the pack kind of all right near the pirates that are kind of okay cubs are okay and the car era just sort of hovering there right around. Five hundred chances are the reds are going to be good enough to hang in the pack in a division which everybody is at best slightly better than okay but the bullpen was always going to be a problem and it's going to be a problem for the rest of this season and the reds chose for it to be a problem. They chose that whether or not you're cool with. It depends on your point of view. I'm not cool with it. I get tired of hearing. You know people's richest bob castellini. Tell me how poor they are works. You make an area of your team worse. The results aren't going to be better. Isn't rocket science seventeen after three. Our numbers are five. One three seven four nine fifteen thirty if you have a bullpen. Fix you could help me with that. And does it make it more maddening. Now that we've watched this bullpen and action that the people who run this club chose to have this kind of bullpen. Five one three seven four nine. Fifteen thirty is my phone number. Bengals had busy offseason. The draft is six days away former. Nfl offensive lineman jeff schwartz in just over one hour. He wants the bengals to go line heavy in this draft. He is not on teen chase chat with him at four twenty. But i've wanted to do this all week. And i'm glad i could finally connect with a guy by the name of paul lukas who runs the biggest and best uniform blog and has the best uniform podcast in the business. I wanted to bring him on to talk about bengals uniforms. He was not able to join us earlier this week. He said best. I can do is friday. I know it's been a couple of days. Maybe you're tired of hearing me talk about uniforms. Paul's awesome so he's going to join us next on. Espn fifteen thirty former uc safety. Derek forest is preparing for the nfl. Draft he is scheduled to join us in twelve minutes on mojo egger. This espn fifteen. Thirty bengals released new uniforms on monday. And we've talked about him a lot this week and as an admitted uniform nerd i've of enjoyed reading people's thoughts on them. I'm i think more bullish on them than some. Some were hoping for a drastic overhaul but from the moment we knew the bengals were getting new younis. I have wanted to get on paul lucas. Who's website is. I go to it every single day. I tweeted out a link to his piece on the bengals uniform. Uni dash watch dot com. The obsessive study of athletics aesthetics. He also has a podcast in which they talk about. Uniforms and the bengals have been a hot topic of conversation for us. And as you might imagine for him as well the unified. Podcast with paul lukas and kramer. You can check that out as they say where you get your podcasts. I've tweeted out a link to that as well. Paul came on our show about two years ago because he sponsored a bengals uniform design contest. I needed to get him on. Today was the day we can do it. So i know it's been a long week. I know you've talked about uniforms. A lot but pause gonna give us the definitive word. That is a very long wind up having you on. I appreciate you giving us some time. Thanks for having me on and that is definitely probably the wall get right to it right. Get the guest on. Let's go. So i read your post and i went into this with pretty low expectations. Because i've hated the look that they've had since two thousand four. I also knew they weren't gonna you know bring bringing new colors. This wasn't going to be a total overhaul. It just once wanted something simpler and they accomplished that. I'm also pretty underwhelmed by most. Nfl uniform reveals necessarily think it's going to be doing cartwheels. And i'm not but they accomplish what i'm looking for. I think i'm a big fan of them than your. Yeah i would say first of all. Did they have. An upgrade is an improvement and i would say yes because the two biggest problems in the old uniform set Have been addressed and that would be number one the the white side panels on the black jersey and aren jersey which never looked good. You know knock from literally the day they were first revealed in two thousand and four and although at least then they were part of a trend. 'cause a lot of teams were doing things like that So they will sort of of the moment even though they looked of the moment stupid But my by twenty twenty and twenty twenty one the white side panels just look. They didn't just look bad. They will dated you know bat and dated and that sort of a combination so they got rid of that no more white side panels now. It's just sort of a solid tube of jersey in that you know that's what you want. And then the other thing is they simplified and reduced The the strike panels on the pants which previously had kind of wrapped from the side of the pants and wrapped around To the front of the pants just above the knee like a little fat little curly q. Would would wraparound at the front. And then that was just too much. It was too much And so they'd scaled that back and now the the striping on the side of the pants is a little more limited and sedate. And so you still got your bengal tiger striping. But it doesn't look out of control. And so i i think those are both improvements and those are the two biggest problems they had. And so you know that's all all to the good the issues i have are that Number one i think they made a huge mistake With the uniform numbers because the number font they have now is so similar to the bears fall. it's not identical. it's not exactly the same thing but it is. It's definitely similar and you have a lot of people pointing out you know. The bears colors are dark navy and orange and that dark navy almost looks black on the field and in photos and depending on how your color settings on your monitor And the the bengals are black and orange. And and so you've got very similar color schemes with very similar number fonts and and these jerseys originally leaked back in early march and people were immediately say it was the first thing people were saying. It looks like there's jersey man looks like a bears jersey and and it kinda does i mean. Obviously it has the stripes on the shoulder. So it's not like you're going to confuse the two and think like oh my watching the bears or am my watching the bengals. It's not like that but it doesn't feel like like a look that the bengals can. Own like that number font. The bears have been wearing that like since the forties. But you look at old photos from that era and you can tell the chicago bears because like even in a black and white photo because the the number font is just it's it's not the standard football block numbers right it's that curvy Style very non nfl in a way. It's like it doesn't have that kind of rough tough block number feel that so many Nfl teams us But it's definitely the bears look and the bengals have had curve number font for years but they have a shadow on it. They had a deep block shot on it. And that made it distinct from the bears. And you take that away and now with the similar colors and a similar number font. I think like i'm very surprised they went that route. And you know in the. Nfl number is a big deal. Because you don't have a big script across the chest like you have in baseball. You don't have big logo on the chest like you have in hockey I mean you do have a very small bengals. Let lettering the above the number. But that that's you know it's almost like the fine print of a football jersey. The number is really what you see on the front of the jersey and I was very surprised that they did something given that. The colors are so similar to the bears. I was very surprised. They chose a number font so similar to the bears fall. So i i think that was a mistake and personally and i know bengals fans may feel very differently about this. You know that helmet for me has always been an issue. And it's a very polarizing design You know people either love it or hate it. And and i you know i've interacted with enough bengals fans over the years. I know most of them love it. And it's definitely unique. It's it's the teams visual signature. Now it has been for forty years now like good for them. they're going to keep it But i've never liked it. I got to tell you and people say you know it uses the whole helmet. Shell as a as a canvas instead of just slapping a logo on the on the side which i totally get and it's true. It's like a much more creative approach to to football helmet design. I just don't think it's an approach that works as well for the bengals like i. I love the rams helmet because it has you know those sharp crisp rams horns. I love the viking helmet because it has sharp crisp shapes about the viking horns. When i look at the bengals helmet i see this. Sort of amorphous blob of stripes. That don't look sharp and crisp. They just look sort of like. I don't know it. It doesn't have that dynamic. Feel that that i want from from a football helmet and so but you know it. It is certainly unique. They have stuck with it for forty years and for for me like i would've. I would've seen this as an opportunity to to go a different direction with the bengals. I'm not saying bring back. That simple bengals lettering that they had you know. Obviously th