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Fresh "Arabia" from John and Ken
"Relations with the U. S. But, she says, but Didn't have said America's relationship with Saudi Arabia is not going to look like it has in the past way. Have a crash on the five in Laguna Niguel. This one is along the South bound side. It's coming up on Crown Valley Parkway. The two right lanes are blind to car flipped over now delay, Sir Jam. Getting away from Alicia Parkway was checking with Mike O'Brien KF eye in the sky. Sponsored by injury. Attorney Superwoman super lawyer dot com He's God Anaheim Hill Challenge for the 91. Do you wanna eastbound approaching Green River Right around 2 41. They're calling it an accident out of the lanes there. That's adding to this brutal drive, though the starts way back, leaving Imperial Highway at first stretch heavy over the green wherever hardly breaking breaks up just a little bit there, back on for the 71 much of the way through the 15 and the South 15 through Corona. It's extra tight right now. From Magnolia working. Wait through the calico exit before it shakes free injured in an accident visit Superwoman super lawyer dot com. Mike O'Brien, K F. I n the skies Hey and pie in the sky Hopes get you there faster. I mean, sure, Martinez. If your teeth have gotten so bad, you're embarrassed to smile. Or.
Khashoggi's fiancé says Saudi royal must be "punished without delay"
"After the Biden administration condemned but did not sanction Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince for the more Order of the Washington Post columnist. There's now push back Jamal crucial. Gee's fiance is calling for Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince. To be quote Punished without delay a teacher Cheng Keyes has world leaders, beginning with President Biden must decide if they're prepared to shake hands with a murderer, A U. S intelligence report released Friday. Found Prince Mohammed bin Salman had approved Kush. Oh, jeez, killing at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. The U. S. Has declined to impose sanctions on the
Fresh update on "arabia" discussed on All Things Considered
"Now playing spokeswoman Jen Psaki that it's not that they don't want to hold It is Mohammed 5 29 bin KCRW. Salman or the Saudis Thanks for accountable, joining us for all but things that there considered are more effective coming ways up to on do the it, program she said. and 2018 We need to to 5 be able to staff leave members room were killed to work in with a shooting the Saudis attack. on areas where there's On mutual the Capital agreement. Gazette. That's happened in Annapolis, What we've effectively Maryland, and done that's where a man is opened throw fire a rocket as he made a hornets his way into nest. their offices. We've antagonized The remaining staff NBS has seen in both Saudi traumas Arabia. and triumphs But we in haven't the year since, done enough and to still make to this King day. Salman They are struggling think that to he pick needs up the a pieces new crown will have prince. an update for you And on if how we're they're willing coping to now, stand more than up to two some degree, years since then that I think attack it makes happened sense, too. Try to push a little bit harder Also ahead. We in have state hopes local that news there coming will up be at a new 5 crown 32, Prince and including you know how Governor the stakes Gavin Newsom are enormous, says schools will be incentivized and it's to hold certainly in person worth classes doing by the more end of than the month just tossing now and Iraq. how federal authorities could help the Do California you think condor this after these stories is from actually NPR. realistic? King Salman is 85 years old. He's Live in poor from.
Biden administration prepares to release report on murder of Jamal Khashoggi
"His administration will make an announcement about future U. S relations with Saudi Arabia. On Monday. A declassified intelligence report officially blamed Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Solomon for the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Kiss Show G. CBS is Holly Williams reports. The report says that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill Saudi journalist Jamal has Shaggy. Shoji was an outspoken critic of the Saudi Arabian regime. President Biden says he told the Crown prince his father, King Salman, that quote the rules are changing way. We're gonna hold them accountable for human rights abuses. It is outrageous. What happened? I showed you went to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey in October, 2018 to pick up documents he needed to get married, but he never made it out alive. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken announced that Kashiwagi Act banning foreigners who threaten or harass reporters and their families. New York Governor
Fresh update on "arabia" discussed on All Things Considered
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Biden to reexamine Saudi relations after release of declassified Khashoggi report
"Says his administration will make an announcement about future U. S relations with Saudi Arabia tomorrow. A declassified intelligence report officially blamed Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for the murder of Washington Post journalist Your mom could show he hears CBS correspondent Holly Williams. The report says that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill Saudi journalist Jamal Has Sugi Sugi was an outspoken critic of the Saudi Arabian regime. President Biden says he told the Crown prince is father King Salman that quote the rules are changing We're gonna hold them accountable for human rights abuses. It is outrageous. What happened? I shall G went to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey in October, 2018 to pick up documents he needed to get married, but he never made it out alive. Secretary of State and Tony Blinken announced the Kodiak banning foreigners who threatened dissidents or harass reporters and their families, putting 76 Saudis on that list.
Fresh update on "arabia" discussed on 90.3 KAZU Programming
"I can think of few more disastrous things for US Saudi relations than MBS of becoming King Mohammed. So you're arguing. This is not just in the moral interest of the us that this is actually in the long term strategic interest of the U. S. Yeah, Remember, NBS has been poisoned Everything he touches he's been enormously destabilizing throughout the Middle East, he created the world's worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen. And some people think that it is a shoo in for MBS to become the next king. That may be, but we really don't know, and there have been six crown princes in the last 10 years. It seems possible that if we make it very clear to Saudi Arabia that the relationship would be a profoundly troubled one. If NBS takes over that there could be 1/7. What about the argument made by White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki that it's not that they don't want to hold Mohammed bin Salman or the Saudis accountable, but that there are more effective ways to do it, she said. We need to be able to leave room to work with the Saudis on areas where there's mutual agreement. What we've effectively done is throw a rock at a Hornets nest. We've antagonized MBS in Saudi Arabia. But we haven't done enough to make King Salman think that he needs a new crown prince. And if we're willing to stand up to some degree, then I think it makes sense, too. Try to push a little bit harder in hopes that there will be a new crown Prince and you know the stakes are enormous, and it's certainly worth doing more than just tossing Iraq. Do you think this is actually realistic? King Salman is 85 years old. He's in poor health. Mohammed Bin Salman. Pretty much controls everything in the kingdom. Is it realistic to think that the U. S could exert enough influence to change the course of events there? I just don't know. And you know, I've talked to a lot of Saudis. Some say it is. Some say it isn't one reason to think that it might be is that MBS himself continues to hold hostage some of his rivals that suggests that he doesn't feel that he's entirely secure in the position. We do have leverage over Saudi Arabia. There is this perception. I think in Washington that Saudi Arabia holds all the cards. I mean, they depend on us for everything, and I think we should use that leverage. Nicholas Kristof. He writes column for The New York Times. Thank you very much great to be with you, Mary Louise. Saturday.
Biden to reexamine Saudi relations after release of declassified Khashoggi report
"Turn now to president biden promising and announcement monday on saudi arabia. After that intelligence report on the killing of us based journalist jamal kashogi he was last seen entering the saudi consulate in istanbul. In twenty eighteen that report finding the saudi crown prince ordered the assassination but no direct punishment for him and tonight growing calls for justice. Here's abc's alex birsh tonight. One day after the release of that report blaming the saudi crown prince for jamal kashoggi's brazen murder president biden with this warning. Monday with chris. Botti reagan while the us has taken action crown prince mohammed. Bin salman is not faced any direct penalties overnight. Biden said he'd put the saudi king solomon's father on notice weird hold them accountable for human rights abuses in two thousand eighteen kashogi. Us resident and journalist was lured from his home to the saudi consulate. in istanbul. He was then brutally murdered and dismembered the now declassified four page assessment cited bin salman's control of decision making and support for violent measures to silence dissidents abroad before. Now now i. I believe he will never come back. After the report's release kashoggi's fiance. I teach shaky posted this photo. She took of him in their home. The white house imposed visa bans on dozens of saudis and sanctions on one former official but not the crown prince still some democrats and republicans are questioning. Why bin salman has not been penalized. I think it's fundamentally a problem. If you conclude that the crown prince ordered the capture killed but only hold people that follow the orders to account with the white house had no further guidance. On what monday's announcement will be. The secretary of state said that the us doesn't want to rupture but recalibrate its relationship with saudi arabia. The saudis have called that report inaccurate
Fresh update on "arabia" discussed on Ben Shapiro
"Okay, so, speaking of incoherent policy The Biden administration has now released a report. On the death of Jamal Khashoggi, who was apparently murdered at the behest of Mohammed bin Salman, who is the crown prince of Saudi Arabia and the defacto leader of Saudi Arabia. Released this report. They basically said it was Mohammed bin Salman, which we already knew. You know, obviously in agree, just act to have a journalist murdered. Also worth noting that Jamal Kashiwagi, who is being treated as a champion of human rights. It was pretty inconsistent in that particular championing right. He was a big fan of the Muslim Brotherhood, hey was a radical anti Semite, but nobody deserves to get chopped up in an embassy because of all those things. Obviously, it's an act of evil by the by the Saudi administration. It also happens to be In reality of the world that we deal with administration's all the time that engage in tremendous act of evil. The Saudi administration is not unique. Nobody Was really under the There's our assumption that the Saudi administration is somehow a Western liberal regime. They are absolutely not. And let's just say this. The Biden administration is very little ground to stand on and going after the Saudis for human rights abuses while simultaneously attempting to reach out to the greatest terror sponsors on Planet Earth in the Iranians. Remember it was the Biden administration that immediately upon entering office. Do you listen to the hooches in Yemen as a terrorist group? Issued 33 separate statements in the last several weeks condemning Houthi terrorism in Yemen. Who these are not a terrorist group. All the Jews terrorism. Which is weird. Simultaneously the Biden administration is trying to claim That the Saudis are evil and terroristic and doing awful terrible things and the Iranians are good, but also They're starting to recognize that the Iranians actually are evil in terroristic, and they're operating from a false set of principles that make no sense at all. And so what This means is that Joe Biden is now stuck with his own hypocritical point of view. Puts out a report on Jamal Cash Augie's death at the hands of Saudi operatives. And he says this is outrageous and terrible. It'll be like, okay, So what you gonna do about it? And his answer is Nothing. Nothing. There was there was Joe Biden trying to explain things, which is always an adventure. We're going to hold them accountable for.
U.S. intelligence report: Saudi crown prince approved journalist murder
"S intelligence has found that the de facto leader of Saudi Arabia, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally approved an operation to capture or kill the murdered journalist Jim Alka Sugi in 2018, the U. S imposed sanctions on some of those involved. Spared the crown prince himself in an effort to preserve relations with the kingdom.
Saudi Arabia says it intercepts missile attack over capital
"Arabia says it has intercepted a missile attack over its capital launched by Yemen's Houthi rebels and knocked down drones loaded with bombs. And it's southern province of Joey's on TV footage and social media video shows what appears to be explosions as Patriot missiles intercept the ballistic missile in the skies over Riyadh. A Saudi led coalition has been fighting the Hootie's In Yemen's years Long war. The group increasingly has launched cross border missile and drone attacks in the kingdom.
Biden to make announcement Monday on Saudi Arabia
"Report Tying Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince to the 2018 assassination off Washington Post journalist Jamal Could Shoji Boxes David spot When asked what he's going to do to Saudi Arabia, the crown prince, the president said, You'll see there'll be an announcement on Monday about what we're going to be doing with Saudi Arabia. The Saudi government says it is actively pursued to show geez killers. Wisconsin firefighter
Saudi crown prince reportedly OK'd Khashoggi capture or killing
"A declassified intelligence report released Friday holds the crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman, responsible for the 2018 killing of Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashiwagi, but he is not part of In the report. Some were hit with Visa issues, and House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff tells ABC. I think it's fundamentally a problem if you conclude that the Crown prince ordered the capture, killed but only hold people that followed the orders to account. Saudi Arabia denies the Crown Prince's
Intelligence report says Saudi crown prince approved Khashoggi killing
"The Saudi Crown prince in a notorious killing in Turkey. U. S intelligence believes the crown prince of Saudi Arabia who effectively runs that country approved the 2018 killing and dismemberment of regime critic Jamal Cash, Okay. He had been living in the U. S. And writing for The Washington Post. Biden administration has released the intelligence findings but effectively went no further. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken. What we done by the actions that we've taken is really not to rupture the relationship but to re calibrated the Saudi reaction. It completely rejects the declassified US report. Tom Foodie
Biden To Reexamine Saudi Relations After Release of Declassified Khashoggi Report
"A report Friday at links the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Mohammed bin some into the 2018 killing of Washington Post journalist JaMarcus Shaggy, But there are fear the fears that new U. S sanctions don't go far enough. ABC is Alex for Shay has more from Washington. President Biden spoke with bin Salman's father this week. Maybe clear to him that the rules you're changing way we're gonna hold them accountable for human rights abuses, the White House now unveiling a kasogi policy. Imposing visa restrictions on foreign officials believed to be directly involved in plots against dissidents, starting with 76 Saudis. The Treasury Department also sanctioned the former Saudi official, but the administration stopped short of directly penalizing the crown Prince. Tulane University
U.S. imposes sanctions, visa bans on Saudis for journalist Khashoggi's killing
"This report on the killing of jamal khashoggi Joe biden. i think it's given quite an incipient response to it saying we're going to withdraw visas from some saudi leaders. I will only deal with the king not dealing with His name it's bin salman anymore. I'm thinking how pathetic given you. Saudi arabia state in the campaign. And this really is the best that you can do if you were prime minister. Now what would you do. Hasn't he also said that they're going to restrict arm sales though on the basis of the yemen conflict which is quite a big thing about listening to the if i was a few weeks here. That's got nothing to do with this. No but it does signal a change in the us leadership's approach to saudi in fact the the the publication of the report which was in existence when trump was the president is also a sign of a change and a sort of strengthening of the position with respect to saudi i. It's so difficult because saudi is an important. You know everybody goes or just want a relationship with saudi so that you can sell them. Lots of weapons. Well yes is part of the answer to that but actually they are quite important security partner particularly in relation to counter-terror not quite often why people have perhaps not taken the very robust approach to them that you might have expected when they get inside this apparatus and begin to understand that relationship
U.S. says Saudi crown prince approved Khashoggi killing, imposes visa restrictions on 76 Saudis
"It was just about two pages long but those pages carried the weight of the. Us government will not proven a summary of findings issued by us intelligence agency state that saudi arabia's crown prince approved two thousand eighteen killing of jamal. Khashoggi it's been long suspected that prince mohammed bin salman defacto leader ordered the murder but the release of the summary finding sends a clear signal. That president biden's taking tougher stand against the kingdom than his predecessor. Npr's jackie northam has been following developments and joins us. Jackie thanks so much for being with us morning. Scott hi please give us an overview of the main findings right well just to be clear. There's no smoking gun but you know. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence in this two page report. And let me just read you a line from it. If i could quote the crown prince has had absolute control of the kingdom security and intelligence organizations making it highly unlikely that saudi officials would have carried out an operation of this nature without the crown prince's authorization unquote and scott. It goes on to say that members of his close inner circle were involved. In the killing and dismemberment of kashogi and the crown prince has supported the use of violent methods to silence dissidents abroad. And you compare what's in this report to what president trump said when asked about whether the crown prince had any knowledge of the killing and he downplayed it saying maybe he did. Maybe he didn't and One of the things to keep in mind. You know this report is a summary and there's a lot more evidence that the cia has about khashoggi's death that remains classified this report summary note but Does seem to say pretty bluntly that. The saudi crown prince has blood on his hands What kind of potential impact Could this happen relations between the us and saudi arabia. Which after all has been a very close ally for decades right. yeah well. it's it's definitely bound to have an impact you know. The crown prince is likely to become king of saudi arabia. And we'll be around for a very long time and it'll be interesting to see how the us will deal with him both in the short term after this report and certainly in the long term once he becomes king. We don't know how that's gonna shake out yet but as you say. Saudi arabia is a longtime ally in a really strategically important area of the world. You know in an interview with npr. Yesterday admiral hanes the director of national intelligence. Said it was just too soon to tell if the relationship has been damaged by this. Let's have a listen. It is not surprising. I suppose to see a shift in the relationship in some ways with the new administration and a new position and the number of challenging issues that we face together. But i think there will be what he's to whether the various storms that we have in front of us and one other thing. The saudi foreign ministry said on friday that the kingdom has already jailed. Those responsible for kashoggi's killing and that while it completely rejects the reports findings it called. Us saudi relationships robust and enduring. Jackie calls from From many quarters Clothing members of congress Human rights organizations calling on president biden to to punish sanction of the crown prince For his role in khashoggi's death. How likely does that seem to be. Biden's stop short of severely punishing the crown prince. But he said on. Friday evening that from now on the kingdom is going to be held responsible for human rights abuses and he said that there would be more significant changes announced on monday. He didn't indicate what those might be. But you know the administration did take some other steps yesterday. It announced something called the kashogi ban which allows the state department to impose visa restrictions on anyone acting on behalf of a foreign government Who's threatening dissidents overseas and it's already imposes kashogi ban on seventy six saudis and their families. And you know secretary of state. Anthony blinken talked about these moves by the us yesterday. Here he is. So what we've done by the actions that we've taken Is really not to rupture the relationship. But to recalibrate to be more in line with our interests and our values but apparently this travel ban doesn't include the crown prince himself and administration officials said on background yesterday that as a matter of practice. The us doesn't apply sanctions on the highest leadership of countries with which it has diplomatic relations and already there are increasing calls for tougher action against the saudi crown print
Cargo Ship Rocked By Explosion In Gulf Of Oman
"Marathon him, investigators are trying to learn what caused an explosion aboard a cargo ship offshore from Iran. Security monitors say the cargo ship was sailing from Saudi Arabia to Singapore. It was about to sail out of the Middle East when the explosion happened in the Gulf of a man between a man and Iran. Those waters saw a number of explosions two years ago at the time, the U. S Navy blamed Iran. The crew on the ship are said to be
US implicates Saudi crown prince in journalist's killing
"I'm anthony davis saudi arabia's crown prince likely approved the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi inside the saudi consulate in istanbul. According to a newly declassified us intelligence report released friday that instantly ratcheted up pressure on the biden administration to hold the kingdom accountable for a murder that drew worldwide outrage. The intelligence findings were long known to many us officials and even as they remain classified have been reported with varying degrees of precision but the public rebuke of crown prince. Mohammed bin. Salman is still a touchstone in us saudi relations. It leaves no doubt that as the prints continues in his powerful role and likely ascends to the throne. Americans will forever associated with the brutal killing of a journalist who promoted democracy and human rights yet even as the biden administration released the findings it appeared determined to preserve the saudi relationship by avoiding direct punishment of the prince himself despite demands from some congressional democrats and kashogi allies for significant and targeted sanctions. Saudi arabia's foreign ministry responded by saying the kingdom categorically rejects the offensive and incorrect assessment in the report pertaining to the kingdom's leadership democrats in congress praised the administration for releasing the report the trump administration had refused to do so but urge to take more aggressive actions including against the prince representative adam schiff champion of the house. Intelligence committee urged the biden administration
US intelligence report finds Saudi Crown Prince responsible for approving operation that killed Khashoggi
"President Biden says the public release of an intelligence report tying Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince to the death of journalist Jamal Cash. O G shows the country that the rules are changing. Shoji, who lived in Virginia and wrote for The Washington Post was killed inside Saudi Arabia is Turkish consulate in 2018. NPR's Scott Tetro has more at the time. U. S intelligence ASSESS that Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved the killing of cash. Oh, gee! But as President Trump pursued a warm relationship with Saudi Arabia, his administration never made that finding public. In an interview with Univision, Biden said the reports released sends a message. The rules were changing. And we're gonna be announcing significant changes today and on Monday, we're gonna hold them accountable for human rights abuses, And we're gonna make sure that they fact if they want to deal with us, they have to deal with it in a way that human rights abuses are dealt with newly announced sanctions do not directly target the Crown Prince. Got JETRO NPR news, the White
Intelligence report finds Saudi crown prince approved Jamal Khashoggi killing
"Arabia's Crown prince approved of the killing. Of a Saudi journalist before Paige partially redacted report from the director of national intelligence successes. Saudi Arabia is Crown Prince Mohammed bin Solman approved an operation in Turkey to capture or kill Sally Journalists, Jamal Cause Shoki Shoki was a Saudi citizen, a frequent critic of the Saudi government, writing for the Washington Post. When he was killed at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in 2018, the crown prince, the intelligence reports is viewed Kashiwagi is a threat to the king. Them and broadly supported using violent measures the silence him the report could further complicate the U. S Saudi relationship. This week. President Biden spoke with Saudi Arabia is King Solomon on Capitol Hill. Jared Halpern Fox
Saudi Prince Approved Khashoggi's Death, U.S. Report Says
"Mohammed bin Salman approved the capture or killing of US based journalist Jamal Custodian Turkey Show G was a Saudi citizen, a frequent critic of the Saudi government, writing for the Washington Post when he was killed at the Saudi consulate in this stand bull in 2018. The Crown prince, the intelligence report says Viewed Kashiwagi is a threat to the kingdom and broadly supported using violent measures to silence him. The report could further complicate the U S Saudi relationship. This week. President Biden spoke with Saudi Arabia is King Solomon Fox's Jared Halpern on Capitol Hill.
U.S. officially points the finger at Saudi crown prince in Khashoggi killing
"Intelligence information, says study Arabia's crown prince approved an operation to kill or capture US based journalist inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. That report released today could escalate pressure on the bike administration told the kingdom accountable. The killing of Jamal Kashiwagi, who's killing drew bipartisan and international outrage. Osugi, a critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman's authoritarian consolidation of power was killed in October of 2018.
"arabia" Discussed on First Person
"Harbinger for what might come while all that is true. I think it's also hard to draw a lot of conclusions. You i don't. I don't know what conclusions we can draw about the united states from examining twitter. Other than the fact. We're becoming more polarized what you do with it. I mean if you were to say there's greater polarization their world is doesn't tell you what will happen to power doesn't tell you people's relationship to politics. Perhaps you can tell more about the region through the reaction to such comedy or satire. As john was mentioning there was a lot of jokes about there was even some really crude jokes about more. Seeing some people were detained and interrogated. But you don't see the level of oppression that you are now seeing with cece there. Just a comedian Chevy who is released from cairo last month who had been detained for two years without trial. So i think that that leeway to make those seemingly harmless criticisms is less pronounced in the region today and that could tell us something about unfortunately some trends for the future and you know anyone with a really important things to keep in mind is. There's a way in which social media fingerprints everywhere and if you're an intelligence service social media's amazing because you can map all these networks and a guarantee middle east intelligence services are doing this and so while on the one hand we can see it as a remarkable flowering of creativity for authoritarian governments wayne which humor allows them to map their domestic opposition in ways. They couldn't do before one of the things i heard. In saudi arabia. After the arab spring was when the the muslim brotherhood seem to be rising in the middle east they all came out of the woodwork. And now we know where they are and they used support from the muslim brotherhood to map political movements in the kingdom. If they weren't even sure out. And i think humor in the way people share humor can also be used that way. There are people. Say i don't care there are people who say it's too big. Certainly the intelligence services weren't able to save us mubarak. There's a danger fit in being subversive. They also make themselves vulnerable. Yeah and maybe they think that the risks are outweighed by the potential benefit of having your voice head being able to sort of stand up to powerful authorities. Going back to what. Natasha said about being able to make fun of isis. Sort of destroys them mystique of isis as it stops being so terrifying if you can sing songs mocking men just a hundred two hundred climate. His way as said so maybe to end on us would have slightly postive note. I think it be helpful and a can help break down some of these fearsome figures will. I think we'll end on that night. Then i've enjoyed this episode of who's very happy to have call shower on say. Thank you bye-bye for joining me on next week's episode..
"arabia" Discussed on FP's The Editor's Roundtable (The E.R.)
"While all that is true. I think it's also hard to draw conclusions you. I don't. I don't know what conclusions we can draw about the united states from examining twitter other than the fact. We're becoming more polarized what you do with it. I mean if you were to say there's greater polarization their world is doesn't tell you what will happen to power doesn't tell you people's relationship to politics. Perhaps you can tell more about the region through the reaction to such comedy or satire. As john was mentioning there was a lot of jokes about there was even some really crude jokes about more. Seeing some people were detained and interrogated. But you don't see the level of oppression that you are now seeing with c. There just a comedian. Chevy who is released from cairo last month. Who had been detained for two years without trial. So i think that that leeway to make those seemingly harmless criticisms is less pronounced in the region today and that could tell us something about unfortunately some trends for the future and you know anyone with a really important things to keep in mind is. There's a way in which social media fingerprints everywhere and if you're an intelligence service social media's amazing because you can map all these networks and a guarantee middle east intelligence services are doing this and so while on the one hand we can see it as a remarkable flowering of creativity for authoritarian governments wayne which humor allows them to map their domestic opposition in ways. They couldn't do before one of the things i heard. In saudi arabia. After the arab spring was when the the muslim brotherhood seem to be rising in the middle east they all came out of the woodwork. And now we know where they are and they used support from the muslim brotherhood to map political movements in the kingdom. If they weren't even sure out. And i think humor in the way people share humor can also be used that way. There are people. Say i don't care there are people who say it's too big. Certainly the intelligence services weren't able to save us mubarak. There's a danger fit in being subversive. They also make themselves vulnerable. And maybe they think that the risks are outweighed by the potential benefit of having your voice head being able to sort of stand up to powerful authorities going back to what natasha said about being able to make fun of isis sort of destroys them mystique of isis as it stops being so terrifying if you can sing songs mocking men just a hundred two hundred climate. His way as call said so maybe to end on us would have slightly postive note. I think it can be helpful and a can help break down some of these fearsome figures will. I think we'll end on that night then. I've enjoyed this episode of. Who's very happy to have call shower on. Say thank you bye-bye for joining me. On next week's episode we have a mess say about secondhand food markets in each that was satire and.
"arabia" Discussed on First Person
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That's hard to find these days for a listener. discount go to foreign policy dot com slash. Subscribe and enter podcast at out. Okay back to the show. The fevered political joke. I heard when i was living in egypt. people used to make fun of hus mubarak instead. He wasn't very smart and the story. Is that one day. A foreign diplomat went to us mubark and gave him a puzzle and start playing with the puzzle and diplomat left in the his aide came to his office. Mr president your next appointment is here and worked said. Cancel my next in fact. Cancel my appointments for the rest of the day. I'm playing with this puzzle. next morning. mubarak comes into his office. Early locks the door. His aide knocks doors of mr president. Your first appointment is here. He said i'm not seeing anybody today. Either i'm playing with a puzzle. It goes on for week. Two weeks the presage start to where we have to get the president newspaper. We have to get him on television. We're running out of stock footage goes on for a month. Two months te starts to be a room cairo. Nobody's really seeing the president. Finally after three months the president emerges from his office flings open the french doors and his eight looks says. Mr president what is it and access. I showed all those foreigners who say. I'm such an idiot. I finished this puzzle in only three months and the box said three to five years. Let did you hear that. I heard it in cairo. You know and the thing is there. Were jokes people told about mubarak. Some of them weren't very clean. But you could joke about hussmann bark. i think. A lot of the syrian political jokes. You would here in lebanon where people would tell them outside. I have to tell you when. I was studying arabic. People told me there were no iraqi. Political jokes who was too dangerous. Cross our said there were but i can tell you. I bounced around the middle east. I never heard of rocky political joke. It's funny we actually had a joke from jordan. Maybe the rest of the levant about iraqis for that reason for their intensity and it's called the who am absorbed busta off-key and mosul or muscle ta is the root of that word means happier happiness so to say that somebody is sort of happy what happiness the rocky is kind of a joke that they're very intense because in iraqi dialect for reasons that i do not understand busselton that same route actually needs to feet so it was good to hear that carl had heard many iraqi jokes their humor there too and it goes back such a long way as well one of the things of annoys me when i see news off things like the abdur attacks and people in the new ceo. People don't know how to make fun of themselves in in the middle east. There's no sense of humor. I mean. I think it goes back such a long way. And in my undergrad. I studied pasco arabic literature and so much of is about satire. i have to say it's quite so funny when you're struggling through classical arabic literature as it as it would have been then but i mean there's some really really ones as jazz who's considered. I think one of the greatest figures in score arabic literature. His name literally means globally is and he was famous for lampooning his contemporaries and really anyone who thought they were too big for that boots he would write about a really scathing but very way and cause way back before him with tribes dump kooning each other on what in the pre islamic times so It's got a very long history. But i wonder how each of you have seen comedy sort of shifting in the arab world curl said it's partly in response to conditions remember in each of when i first went there in nineteen ninety-one. They're still the sort of soviet jokes about shortages and and the old story about we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us and things like that. I started hearing jokes about different things. More jokes about authority. But as as carl said that there's a way in which people joke about what's on their mind. And i think that the best way to really ruin somebody's image or maybe even cause changes through the satire because if you can laugh about somebody than the cult of personality or their godlike image is target and it disappears if they become human and perhaps they could even be replaced. And this was something that she. He's a saturate From iraq who's now in self-imposed jordan. But he spoke about this that if you if you laugh at saddam or if you laugh at isis then they're no longer heroes. There's something that can be done about. On and i think it's interest yes and so i wanted to ask your take on that as well. How does sort of satire wack differently in authoritarian contexts. So it seems to me that satire and its core much of humor about surprise you take something that's very conventional and then you invert it. Somehow you have a surprise ending. You have a punchline and it seems to me that in some ways. Authoritarianism is so much about expectations and rules at a kind of opens itself up to people with subtle not entirely confrontational but subversive ways of talking about universally accepted. Moore's so far. Our terrorism almost creates the circumstances of satire with the arab spring. I think that that changed a bit. And you actually saw cartoonists and satirists more directly attacking some of these authoritarian governments and the leaders in facts as well and you saw cartoonist. Like ali photostats in in syria. Who one of my favorite cartoons of his shows michelle sort of flexing his muscles. He's a probably a foot tall and he's looking into a mirror at mayor of himself you know sort of gloating on this glorified image. And he. during the arab spring was beaten severely and his hands were broken. And i think that this has created more importance for anonymity when it comes to comedy and satire in the arab world. Because it seems that those that make a name for themselves tend to have to go into self-imposed exile. One thing that i've noticed is that because a lot of these creators are now in exile in either western countries or in lebanon as they are trying to open themselves up to a larger audience and had dudes is sort of the arabic onion and it's recently been producing things in english as well and so i think that there is sort of this acknowledgement that others might want to hear a bit about this and the air world and that shows the importance of it politically speaking as well as a.
"arabia" Discussed on First Person
"That i keep on top of because you get all these young egyptian youtubers tiktok is people like that. A lot of them unfortunately have been arrested in jahan. Meant you know all this new a younger guys. Some of them doing music during a visual stuff. The word is overused. Where will you miss sheets. Quite organic people expressing their outlooks and obviously don't agree necessarily on everything they say. But this time. I think it's very promising but it also very diverse is not a disease amount of. It's not the black and white. We don't want in sunday talk about the bread shortages. The time we will talk about that. But there's a lot of things there's the youth there's freedom you look at the gulf in particular which i think is a very interesting part of the middle east and the arab world and it's experience varying radical social transformation the very few people from the outside our final recognizing its historic magnitude. And it's sort of happening simultaneously top down and bottom up and that's why it's kind of a very interesting moment. But is people have to work within a specific political and social context. And they have to try to go around it. It sounds like this is all driven by social media driven by an audience desire to share an acquire rather than the broadcasting model which for their world for more than half century was the dominant model. I think that's a great observation. I think particularly like for example. Take my case. I started without any conventional outlets. I started through twitter and blogging bit of youtube but dot dot much and found an old through that so i don't think social media created these phenomenons actually gave people had things to say the media to do it. And they're very savvy about it now and they know how to utilize it and they know how to stay on top of it and i think that's what's really exciting about. Who is your audience. Because you're on twitter. You have a very good sense for both who is paying attention to you. And who is responding. How they're responding. You get some hate mail. You got some love mail. Who's paying attention to i. You can tell. I don't know the exact percentage but my sort of standard answer on kind of my gut feel is half of the audience would be arabs. Either or middle eastern people. Either in the east or a living abroad and the other half would be westerners or even the lesser extent from latin america africa india pakistan. Who are genuinely interested in the middle east. But i think the middle east Aspect is the connection. Very few people. Fun me because of my general humor you can call it. That and i think the humorous device i developed this. I'm sort of kind of explaining them. The east not side weren't so you see all these guides. I do and it became kind of the vehicle but at the same time is why people are interested because they can hear something different about the middle east they can read cetera. Pieces about the factions of the syrian revolution or whatever. It is through a stein that they can relate to so those. I think are the two components of my audience and generally out of curiosity about that. He gen a desire for change within the region but within i sing. I don't think i'm trying to flatter myself here. But i think because my wanted the woods coach across what i'm saying there's a kind of recognition lots from delegates is your sort of liberalism humanism secularism. So yes it's recites the dots thrown particularly the kind of the strand of thinking that's do sectors and the legacy of the enlightenment almost ideas that feels like so is attack. Talk about in the anglo american context now. I think that has a resonance and had speakers. I think a lot of people in the middle east realized for them. Freedom of expression and speech is is an existential question and they're always being oppressed by duck. Done right off through society wherever it is it's recipe conducive to stop them so they're actually fighting for it. They have clarity about it right. And they're willing to pay the price for it and a lot of them do end up in jail and things like that. And i think that is the sort of final question. Does your train as an architect inform your work as a satirist or does your approach to satire inform the way you approach architectural projects. It's ernie interplay between your professional life and your creative outlet. I think it works from architecture to study. And more than the other way around as much as i tried to make. The other way around architecture is way to serious inject satire in although i do have a threat that talks about ric Jokes and particularly as seen in the building. But the way that i found that relationship worked as a i was trained in fantastic art school which is american university of beirut atop point of time when there was a lot of this on a month to just simply approach to architecture the emphasis on critical thinking in its widest sense possible so that equips you with the analytical skills and the burning desire to find in inconsistencies in texts or knives. You just want to kind of highlights. And i'm single out. We were required to write a one page paper every friday. That had to be a basically a thesis. It couldn't have been at descriptive text right and it's going to be the part and if it doesn't survive you fame and you know writing. A one page. Paper is much harder than writing ten page paper and that training was absolutely fantastic and kind of heads when he came to blogging. Because you have to be very shocked very analytical very critical and i remember even kind of thinking my first abs- in lots and you know university accommodated dot. Can we got some point where we're studying. What was done postmodern architecture which is kind of a period when everything becomes fluid and people are doing things. I like this american architect fan. Gerry whose design. Bilbao other from pastic building so rather than submitting at paper. I wrote this fake interview with him and got a guy with an american accent voices answers and made him say what i wanted to say on submitted. A tape of thoughts rather than a paper and i i could have failed. They could have said you know. We asked for a paper where you've done. They actually not know accepted dots and gave me with great for it. It was actually a good way of trying to like experimental satire in a way and then the other thing actually gave me. Is you know. I do all these maps for example when i divide euro same way that the was divided or when i divided america. Because it's clearly things are not working. People are not getting along. And you have to split america to make it more manageable along ethnic and socialize. He gives me the graphic tools to do on of that and that was a huge had because in certain extent i think a lot of the graphic material was more successful than the sunday writing in certain instances and did have a lot of resonance carl shero who blogs and tweets as car remarks. Thanks very much.
"arabia" Discussed on Slate's Culture Gabfest
"That's an interesting way into this character. Sometimes it's easy to forget that this is all clear within the first twenty minutes of the movie but this is our way into the movie right. This is something that lien was very conscious of in fashioning the screenplay and planning the movie and in fact. This is an excerpt. From a letter that david lean wrote to the screenwriter robert bowl about an early draft of the screenplay and so he's really already bringing to the fore these masochistic qualities that we're talking about. Here's a quote from the letter. Many faceted aspects of lawrence's character not yet in the screenplay example masochism other examples vanity versus shyness solitude versus creek area snus glimpses of his pride and the british. Let us not avoid or censor out the homosexual aspect of lawrence's relationships the incipient homosexuality dowd and farraj. That's the two boys who ride with him. Must be emphasized so this is something that he was trying deliberately to bring out in the screenplay. It's no accident that this match moment. Play such a big partner introduction to the character. Interestingly also in his notes david lean compared the relationship between lawrence and allied to brief encounter the movie that we talked about in the first half cam the romance that lien had directed a few years earlier in england which you couldn't be more different in scale and in theme than lawrence of arabia. It's basically to character unconsummated romance between these two middle-class brits but he saw a connection in those two relationships in the sense that both of them were incredibly passionate but you never physically consummated so it's also worth noting that lawrence doesn't only seem odd to the british but he also seems odd to the bedouin. People view are receiving him as a british guy. That is trying to hang in this way. His guy topless rise by the fact that lawrence will not drink water unless he's drinking water because he rightly assumes that lawrence has never been to the desert for but virtually for his role in is a little limited..
"arabia" Discussed on Slate's Culture Gabfest
"Now i mean i would say and maybe it's just personal taste. I think that this movie is more sophisticated in trying to deal in whatever way in its nineteen sixty two way. It could with some of the issues of t e lawrence's essentially fantastical relationship with arabic culture. I would say maybe survives better than the searchers does. But i'm with you. I'm not a counselor of anything. They're both important movies. That should be watched by people who want to understand pill mystery. At least john wayne's not in this one so yeah exactly i mean. This is awesome. John wayne makes it so much more problematic right there. Just from what. We know about john wayne's life and how much he believed in some of these dangerous myths that that movie was incorporating as an actor. So what am i going to do. But yeah i i agree. Also just say that this is also why. I'm glad you picked this movie. Because if there's anything that i think that hollywood history he's really bright for it's just simply questioning our sacred cows in this way. I mean like movies hagiography. We should always questioning hagiography. That by no means means that we can't also have pleasure and actually if we do have pleasure that to me is all the more reason to be curious about all the other things that are going on. And what makes that pressure possible. Is it a favorite of mine. Knows it a favourite of david beans movies of mine. It isn't but it's like those monoliths in two thousand one space odyssey. It's just like the alien dropped at year. Let's talk about lawrence of arabia because it becomes one of your personal favorites. Has its own. Kind of internal coherency. If anything is kind of been forged as you say in the fires of history of all these decades of people watching it talking about it lionising it in that way. And so all the more reason i think to jump in and take it apart i mean i would also question that. It's hey geography in a way. I think it's a movie about hey geography and the perils of he geography that ends up being about this very broken re. Ptsd ravaged man. But maybe there's a couple of words that we have to say about the golden young actor playing that ravaged man as you started to a little bit about omar sharif. Who at the time of the movie was a much bigger star internationally. Well i'm sure you now i'm gonna ask anyway..
"arabia" Discussed on Blind History
"The they formed a great partnership and faisal was was a very interesting man. I mean in some ways he was he was that prototypical stereotypical arab prince. Who was you know. Violent and temperamental and difficult to understand but he was also a tremendously thoughtful. Man was well read and understood instinctively military strategy and. I think that probably worked in lawrence's favor because from then on as you rightly pointed out the two of them had an incredibly successful campaign. I think the highlight of which was the the siege of akaba which a port on the. I think on the red sea which is in that triangle between sinai and the arabian peninsula very important strategic poets as well because equitas one of the most important entries into the red sea. And i think that this this raid this siege was immortalized in the movie by lawrence of arabia on his camel rushing down into akwa by and seizing it but there was an interesting story that he in order to get the arabs to stop just skirmishing on the outskirts of the battle. He actually told the leader of one of the tribes. Are you people. Hit to work or you just hit a watch chief. This shake decided. Screw you and he. He rounded up his men and before lawrence knew what was going on. They were hitting down into the valley to meet the ottomans. This is without any not one single battlefield training so lawrence a you had no training in terms of going to war because he was sitting in an office as you said in the beginning with In kara and he had auchan logical background and he'd obviously surveyed the region. So he's he's big strength. Was he knew the dizet backwards and he could speak the language so he was. He was brilliant linguist and archeologist for that matter but what came out in the in in is he started. Getting involved in the war was yes. He was adventurous differently adventurous but he was a genius. Tactician and a lot of people don't necessarily know that he was very technical and distinctive leader. I think in one of his first battles one of the leaders of the got to with another one of his sub lieutenants and he had to sort it out and what he did was the leader at that time killed of individual and so lawrence tech control and he ended up actually killing the person that started it and felt that that was the fairest thing to do. Say now think in the end what they said about him. Even winston churchill said that anyone of us airways would've given their law forty lawrence. Well it's interesting if we can go back to equity for second because it wasn't all heroism and romanticism. When the main tribe had descended into the valley to meet the turks lawrence took to his camel and he was writing down at great speed as you know is portrayed so beautifully in the movie the thing they leave out of the movies that he shut his camel in the head by mistake on his way down. He was flung into the air and landed and was was knocked unconscious and actually didn't participate in the battle at all when he woke up he realized that they'd won but it was. Some is after the battle had already been concluded another. That's that's that's crazy. Not the most sterling performance by him during the battle and another interesting thing about bringing the arab tribes together because really they weren't a distinct nation at that stage. He gathered the mole in the desert. Night will have their bedouin tents and after a couple of weeks of all of them discussing the various options and how they should you know amalgamated. Which chief would be the chief of all the chiefs and all the rest of it. He noticed that what had started off as twelve distinct fires around which people set eventually became three and his goal was eventually to make that one so that all the men were sitting around the same fire and then he knew he was he was in a position to suggest that they could be a nation and of course the saddest thing about this is that the british and the french betrayed them with the sykes pico deal which was all the way over in europe and this. This was really humiliating to him. Because he'd promised faisal. And all the other arabs that this was going to be that johnson independence and they were betrayed by the colonial powers. And you know that they knew that they were to portray so that just said what was needed at the tom to pull them together but lawrence really believed in him getting an independence and after his death. Fazl did in the end become king. A nice bradley became king of jordan for many many years so that did ultimately come out of such but under french and british rule. You know that there are so many things about this in a way. Perfect for movies and you can see why they've they've made this movie but there was the story of how he had to cross the desert after capturing quebec and he had to do it himself. There were no telephone lines. were no telegrams. And if he didn't go himself they wouldn't have believed that any of the stories are true if he'd sent an emissary and he went all the way from quebec across the most difficult parts of the sinai desert back to cairo to tell the british in cairo that this is what had happened and obviously he he then made significant in roads and they gave him armored tanks and all the rest of it and he was eventually able to take a lot more of the territory over four. These newly independent arabs also. He thought and he was dressed in their clothes. You know he used to wear silk arab traditional dress and this was most unlikely for an english soldier as you say he spoke arabic very very well and really got into the lives of these people in fact such so that there are soldiers in iraq and afghanistan and soldiers who have posted in jordan and saudi arabia. That are american. The read lawrence of arabia's original writing in order to to determine for themselves the best course of action to make peaceful meaningful and deliberate alliances with the people of that region so even now his work is useful in the in the us military and is prescribed reading in fact that was definitely the case with afghanistan and the wars in iraq etcetera. There was a lot that they're looked into that. Because what happened was he actually said that. One of the reasons why. The watt flying airplanes was. it was cool Closed way but also because then the ebbs could speak to. You know what he's character was about so that was definitely fundamental to him actually being part of them and he really felt he was part of them for those three or four years. Now the end of his life wasn't as glorious as the this part that we've just discussed and i think it's worth mentioning the way that he died and perhaps some of the aspects of his personal life which people might not know. You know how he died. He was killed in a motorcycle accident. Right i said he loved motorcycles and lixion seven. Different brow shapiro. I think they're cool that nf pronouncing That brand deb. The rolls royces of motorcycles and he may the thirteen th e. He was riding the motorcycle. Nineteen thirty five and speeding through the english countryside and he came across two boys on bicycles. I he swift miss them and he hit his head on the s fault. Any any dots excise lighters. So that's basically that's a sad end but prior to that. He was very reclusive if we can look at him. As an individual he would be brilliant and brave boisterous aggressive during the war but he could also be very private and reclusive and even hidden so.
"arabia" Discussed on The Amateur Traveler Podcast
"These ideas we hear these things but it's also quite liberal and liberal people there also where women ask me. Hey you seem lost and I was. I was lost Help you which I found fascinating because we had that you like old. They're not allowed in the beginning. I didn't know how to talk to women. In Jeddah is a completely different world than other places. Come interesting that being the gateway city but also having the international influence. I'm fascinated by that difference arriving. Okay what do you expect? But Yeah you arrive there for example cinemas opened up. I think they said two years ago that's started to have cinemas again and one of the first ones was in Jeddah and a lot of the concerts that are happening of big artists. They are injured as well. So there were telling me a Was just there and David Guetta. So that's because it's a bit more liberal interesting. That seems like that's just wrapped up the ten area that you were pitching to me. Is that correct? That's it. Yeah that's correct anything. We want to talk about jeter before we get to some of our wrap up questions. Maybe one thing that I would say Jeddah. There's this beautiful water promenade again. Take a stroll. They're really really beautiful to see big contrast to ultimate besides idea. That's that's one thing that surprised you about Saudi Arabia. I don't want maybe difficult to I think because it is so different than what we Ayoola used to. At least what I was from Germany or Europe. So there's a lot of surprises that you will encounter but the biggest one for me was how friendly in kind the people were. And I've said this before. It was by far the biggest surprise. I mean starting from the box of oranges in the cap to being invited to people's houses for food being invited for tea when they take you out. They don't let you pay for anything even if you try to fight for it is very very kind and welcoming culture and definitely was mind blowing. That really was mind blowing no matter what if a Muslim or not they always tried to treat me. The best could and there was said you a foreigner your gift of God and we want you to have the best experience and therefore me was mind blowing this attitude that encountered from pretty much. Everyone there one time when it felt very familiar completely could have been at home and one time that it felt very very foreign. Okay very familiar. They have all off the fast food chains. We have which actually they have more of the fast which we have in Germany. It was insane Baskin Robbins which I've never seen anywhere else. Outside of the states. They have literally all the fast food chain so when walking around in the modern parts. And you're you're sitting McDonald's. It's sitting in McDonald's in Germany Munich. You have the young Saudis who have the the modern clothing and laughing over the phone and it would be ailing female so it wouldn't matter no bacon no bacon or ham on the egg. Mcmuffin would be different. I'm sure but other than that. You wouldn't find out most foreign. I think most foreign when I was standing in front of the Prophet Mosque in Medina. And everybody was mapping the traditional outfit going into the into the mosque because for me it felt beautiful beautiful experience but out of this world because we always see from TV or you hear about it. So that's when I fell the most foreign unsafe or something unfamiliar. Well you mentioned safe. Are there any warnings that you would give that one thing? You should really know before you go to Saudi Arabia. Good question because I told my family that going to Saudi Arabia and the frustrations like Oh my God is that is it safe like. Are you sure it's okay? It's absolutely safe. It's really no problem at all. I think one little thing to be aware of that. The border to Yemen all the way in the south there could be some issues but overall Saudi Arabia is a very very safe country and really nothing to worry about. It probably would be one of those countries. I would try not to get into political argument. She just have some concerns that way and and there are multiple countries that that would be included in my country. I would try and had to do that absolutely agree with you. Chris and I think it's always you have to separate the people from politics. Also it's two things but yeah of course maybe a side note here. I was in Medina and I was traveling with the friend. I met there and we saw this. Little Hill said okay. That would be a perfect overview over the city. Let's climb up there so we really climbing up this hill and suddenly we hear the sirens and the police. The police the road waving us down and what doing illegal story like. We did know there were. There were no science. We didn't know that we not allowed to go there and there was a little way so we thought it's okay so I think be aware that it can still be a conservative country in a lot of waste and of course you have to be aware of those things but safety wise. It's absolutely found to go in terms of dress code for you as a tourist. Anything that you would advise people different from going to any other Muslim country. Yeah so interestingly. Because they open up the borders Petursson. They got quite moderate When it comes to clothing so for example women. They don't have to wear the headscarf or the long dress. The Abaya but they said okay be decent and respectful usually known as no shoulders. Exactly Sony's no shoulders. If you want as a woman you might WanNa have a head scarf around when you go for example to Medina just to be more respectful. But in general snow sleeveless shirts or short dresses. Even guys no sleeveless shirts to understand what flow is saying here. This is not the place to where your wife beater tee shirt or so. I think there's any places of tourist wearing that Polynesian Eighty. It's very hot country but try not to do that. Because that's probably will get you could get you in trouble or you will get a lot of looks for that but it might make things less comfortable for you and that's and that's really one of the reasons that we want to talk about. Things like warnings is if you're going to go we want you to have a good experience and being more sensitive to the culture is going to help you have a better experience some excellent. You're standing in the prettiest spot you saw in Saudi Arabia. Where are you standing? What are you looking at? I think the prettiest spot I saw was when I was in the middle of the desert in Riyadh close to show the world absolutely nothing around this huge desert this nothingness. It's mind blowing and to think that this goes on for miles and miles and miles and there is nothing that blew my mind. Excellent one thing that makes you laugh and say only Saudi Arabia. When I arrived in in Jeddah the Saudi guy took me out. And he's like he's like I'm GonNa take you to the best restaurant in Saudi Arabia. It's the best thing like all the Saudis knows like. Okay probably going to be good restaurant and you know we went to. We went to allback Albuque- most famous fast food chain in Saudi Arabia. It's pretty much Casey. But I thought that was hilarious in Saudi Arabia. The Best Best Restaurant would be pretty much a KFC. And I can tell you it's fantastic. It's really really good but I did not expect it. Would we drove up to interesting? I remember my guide in Jordan saying that for dinner when they WANNA treat they. Don't go out to the traditional restaurant that would have traditional food because they make that at home and makes that really well and so they go out to Taco Bell and so somewhat. It's it's a treat to do something. Different is probably one of the reasons why it's popular is that we make traditional food at home and so we don't need to go out for that exactly the same thing. I mean it was my for me because this restaurant existence in one thousand nine hundred seventy four did they tell me. It's been popular since then so it very very very interesting but very good excellent and if you had to summarize Saudi Arabia in just three words what three words would use hospitable different and three and you were there in February. We should underline that. What do we say that it was hot is one of your three words so possibly not a place to go in July excellent definitely rather than line I mean I immediately a somber the first day and they were always laughing because they were saying? It's cool right now. So it's excellent. Our guest against has been flu Miller from Munich and flu. You don't have a travel blog that we want to send people to. I started a youtube channel which it's called flow. Nfl Oh if you type in flow and Saudi you probably see a knee roaming around in Saudi Arabia. Excellent that something you will. Not You want to see before you go there will. Then I'll put a link to that in the show notes at amateur traveler dot com and thanks so much for coming on amateur traveler and sharing with us your newfound love for Saudi Arabia. Thank you so much. Chris was a pleasure to review the community. I did WANNA thank some of the patrons who've been supporting the show especially the new ones. We have since the last time we recorded. I'd like to thank Peter Sewer Marshall Denki and also Ryan Miller who raised his pledge. The pledges do help support the show. And so I thank you so much for that. I know that not everybody's interested in doing that. I also not know that never be can do that so I really appreciate that and just as reminder those who support the show through Patriot and we're doing a monthly get together on zoom and they also get a version of the show without ads usually get a day or so early. Colin left a comment about the show that we did recently on Senegal went for ten days in two thousand eighteen and it was a really wonderful time. The friendliest people gorgeous country. Thanks con patron. Jeff's left a comment about the show did on West Virginia at Pipe Stem State Park. You can write a cable car down to the river and walk. The trail into bluestone national river between Fayetteville and Greenbrier is a unique cultural arts and Crafts Center called Tamarack with award winning restaurants and their two additional national rivers adjacent to New River. Gauley and Bluestone. Thanks so much Jeff. And with that we're going to end this episode of Amateur Traveller. 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"arabia" Discussed on The Daily
"Might be a little bit skeptical of that but then we saw that there were seventeen different strike points and that became evident from some satellite photographs those satellite photographs showed seventeen separate strikes that it didn't quite seem to add up with ten drones the second thing is that these strikes were deep inside Saudi Arabia and it would have required a flight of a five hundred miles or so for drones to be able to get there and that seems well beyond the range of what we've seen the WHO tease be able to do before four and then as we looked more and more at these satellite photographs it seemed clear that these were precision strikes in fact there was a hole in the Dome of some of the storage facilities that were each in precisely the same and they were neatly board little holes. Does that seem to suggest a missile strike not a drone that just was carrying some explosives so the initial story just didn't seem to a match with what we were looking at in the photographs and then what happens well then the president took to twitter and he said on Sunday that I'll Loreto Saudi Arabia. Oil Supply was attacked. There's reason to believe we know the culprit are locked and loaded depending on verification. Shen but are waiting to hear from the kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of the attack and under what terms we would proceed kingdom is referenced instead of Kenema Saudi Arabia so here we have the president United States in charge of the world's largest and most powerful intelligence agents and military forces saying that he is waiting for the Saudis to tell him who they believe triggered this attack and tell him what terms they would proceed on well. It sounds like they're discussing some kind of joint response but the United States for the past two hundred plus years decides on its own whether or not it is going to come to the defense of an outline conduct conduct a military strike or any other kind of response. It's somewhat remarkable to hear that they're waiting for instructions from an ally which is what the president's tweets sounded like he was saying and David. It's not just an ally right. It's Saudi Arabia and we're coming up on the one year anniversary of Jamal Khashoggi Steph which there's a significant amount of evidence that Mohammed bin Salman leader of Saudi Arabia ordered so it also seems somewhat extraordinary for the US to defer to Saudi Arabia given that track record. That's right the administration had been under tremendous pressure. I sure after the murder to identify. NBS as he's called as somebody who was involved but the administration ignored it all and I'm not how can you tell a country that spending hundreds of billions of dollars and has helped me do one thing very importantly keep oil prices down so that they're not going linked to one hundred and one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel right now. We have oil prices in great shape. I'm not going to destroy the world economy yeah and I'm not going to destroy the economy for our country by being foolish Saudi Arabia so I think the statement wait a minute so in some ways this this is a big challenge to nbs but it's also something of a potential political gift to the administration because they can make the case to who congress and others that while Saudi Arabia is no perfect government or society that the Iranians are in fact more evil actors in the region and that's essentially the argument they've been making in the past forty eight hours this attack would potentially have the impact of you've drawing the US in Saudi Arabia closer and giving the trump administration rationale for being closer to Mohammed bin Salman Saudi Arabia. That's right but there's also the concern inside the Pentagon you not let Mohammed bin Salman drag the United States into a new mid-east war it was only a week ago the people in the Pentagon and elsewhere in the administration or showing a big sigh of relief that John Bolton had gotten unfired is national security advisor because their concern was that Bolton would lead the United States ultimately into a conflict with Iran now with Bolton gone a series of unpredicted events may in fact push the US and Saudi Arabia there or pushed the United States to back up the the Saudis Strike Iran so just a review. POMPEO has said it's Iran. The president has said we're locked and and loaded. We're going to let our ally Saudi Arabia lead the way in determining who it is the Hutus are claiming credit but why would use claimed to have done this carried out this audacious sophisticated attack if they had a great question. I'm a bit confounded did myself. The WHO of course are backed by the Iranian so it's conceivable the Iranians ask them to do it. It's conceivable that they just thought that by taking credit therefore they would look more powerful than they really are and maybe in some way they were involved but the most important element of this is that the Saudis came out on Monday the Saudis specifically are pointing their finger at Iran with whom of course they're involved in this proxy war and declared that their examination Asian of the evidence was that this attack was launched by Iran specifically right now however while saying that these were Iranian weapon systems and they are saying they are still investigating precisely where those weapons were fired from they have however ruled out. Yemen as being that base they provided no evidence and that evidence may not exist.
"arabia" Discussed on The Daily
"Described the scene in Saudi Arabia on Saturday Michael. We're all still trying to piece together but what we do know. Is that about three thirty in the morning on Saturday morning in Saudi Arabia. There were a series of explosions at a number of refinery facilities line and of course it was dark. no-one exactly what was happening. Fires were burning it wasn't clear where these came from and it wasn't until the sun rose that they saw a really remarkably extensive amount of damage and what they discovered was that a number of their big oilfields were burning than when you look at the satellite photographs you see classic oilfield kind of operations big tanks lots of pipes and obviously lots the facilities that if hit by a weapon can burn and that's exactly what happened this was bigger than anything we had ever seen done to the oil fields in Saudi Arabia at any time in history and David help us understand the significance of hitting oilfields in Saudi Arabia. What's the impact of that also Arabia obviously is among the world's biggest oil producers these facilities account Michael for about six percent of the oil pumped around the world every day while the Saudis themselves produce roughly ten million barrels a day. These facilities are capable of doing somewhere between five and eight million of that so this is a significant a significant amount for world production but it's a huge amount for the Saudi production right so if someone is interested in striking Saudi Arabia and striking the global economy. This is a very good target. It's the best target you could find and what is the original understanding of what has happened and who did it before. There was understanding. There was a claim of responsibility Leah Thirty Huggins Emotional Russian all the WHO tease who are engaged in pretty desperate war with the Saudis in Yemen immediately claimed credit for this. GonNa shut we promise the Saudi Arabia team that are coming operations will only grow wider and we'll be more painful than before so long as their aggression and blockade continues they don't they said that they sent ten drones into Saudi Arabia and that those were responsible for the hit so is the initial sure report came out on Saturday. The hootie movement from neighboring Yemen has taken credit for the attacks the Saudi government as been backing the Yemeni government's fight against awesome rebels of that seemed perfectly credible explanation intil you dug into the facts a little more.
"arabia" Discussed on Unspooled
"Getting more out of every tripton thought was so interesting is movie is so massive and obviously they couldn't shoot at night because i can only imagine what it would have been too light by moonlight. You know already impossible but did you notice that you know this. Movie has an effect on it that i think a lot of films of this day dana have which is like they should day for night in the filter over the lens so it gives night a very kind of eerie look. It's a gay <hes>. It almost looks like sunset all the time or something like that. It's cause. They have a lens over the camera. I mean i like the idea that it looks alien in a way because what i thought when i was watching lawrence take this time was how much the alien look. Lawrence of arabia is then transplant into star wars right. <hes> doesn't this movie just seem like star wars well. Of course i mean look. It's it's it's these are the people who were affected by the film. I mean that's spielberg lucas scorsese. They're all watching this as kids going. I wanna make that yeah. We've seen that i was most thinking of is i really really early on when lucas at tattooing and he's running around with goggles and he's spying. He's looking at what he calls. The sand people there are.
"arabia" Discussed on Unspooled
"This this is lawrence at the most godlike he is and you basically are making this allusion almost like walking on water walking on the train car. You're seeing him in these flowing robes he he looks absolutely god-like and and what is he doing like. He is losing the thread right like he's. He's bought into his own power. I think the you know this power and corrupt. I think that that's part of this journey to whether you're large government a small tribe. <hes> you know or just a man you see how this i mean. This moment leads into the rape scene because of his bravado he he doesn't even take any precautions. He's losing his army. He doesn't care he's he. You know he when you get shot. He's like of course i didn't die. It doesn't hurt standing there. I was thinking actually standing standing there like jewels. Everybody shoots at him and fiction. He standing there like go on and there's a d._n._a. In that really liked yeah i really i mean it's fascinating but yeah like the score is telling us. He's not a hero and it's it's building up to that moment after the big massacre when we have this reversal like at the beginning lawrence's telling selling sharieff your the monster. You're the uncivilised one in now at sharieff saying you have gone too far. You are the monster in then you have the photographer who has made him into this god in this moment and there's even this kind of sense that like maybe he's the figurehead because because people like anthony quinn don't want to be photographed so he is the photographed one and then you have the photographer almost just yelling at him and away since he regrets what he's done to make this man of god jesus. Where does it surprise you mr bentley surely you know the arabs are s- people dobson crew who but who but they oh you'll rotten. Let me take your rotten bloody picture for the rotten bloody newspapers. I love that it should be. They're saying like this is your stereotype of me but it was the englishman who did and here is the reporter who built this man. Who's now condemning this man and that's again. It's all about these characters very small observed served performances of of how we can build somebody up and then knock them down and feel in the right on both sides i mean he leaves us movie not a hero. I mean again going back to that scorsese clip. He leaves you long. I think for simplicity of what we see in the first act which is being lost in the desert place that he feels as clean and exciting and what he kind of did was got himself back into the corporate or the the idea of what the i mean that's what the end of the movie he is. It's like they take over this town and they start to form government but they you know they can't figure out the government. It's like we're getting into bureaucracy like like it. It all just devolves. Yeah i mean it's fascinating when they make it to damascus and you have the scene of the arab council which i think is like the they this movie does make the arab council look completely insane because they're trying to just condense into really fast by the way gotta people screaming. Arab council lasted way after the war. I mean if until nineteen i'm twenty right yeah i think like i think a lot of the people of the arab nations were so offended by this moment of the arab council that that's part of why this movie was banned in most arab nations besides egypt yeah. It looks like our physician and it's really of elevated him there there right. At least i mean but it looks almost duck soup like it is it is a it is is comical. It is a legit comical. Yeah we've gone from this kind of expanse of the desert. When you see these tribes in the desert they make visual sense. You know there's this clearness. There's a space and then they're they are. They fit in that landscape and the way they're shot here. It's all these clashing costumes of all these people from all these different tribes doors where we're not nice to see them as the cantina and it's crowded and it's chaotic and it just looks like it doesn't fit and there's this dark irony that i love in here where these are people who have not needed electricity city and they have not needed running water in now they're falling apart because this town does and they're asked to do something that they have never needed before and of course they can't go from like zero zero two seven hundred on being like oh yes. This is how wiring work because they have in. They have learned to live without it. They've never had it and so yeah i can imagine watching the scene and and being from arab nation and then you watch this this chaos exists.
"arabia" Discussed on Unspooled
"In the year is nineteen sixty. Two a gallon of gas costs two thousand eight cents. John glenn becomes the first american to orbit the earth. The cuban missile missile crisis begins maryland sings happy birthday to mr president walmart kmart and target all opened their first stores theatergoers with watching to kill a mockingbird the music basic man and two days film lawrence of arabia at clocks in at number seven on the top one hundred list in two thousand seven down two points from its number five spot in the previous lists amy lawrence of arabia. Who's in it. What's it about list every character. Please good god well. It's a bunch of men <hes>. Let's see lawrence of arabia. It is directed by david lean name associated with gigantic gigantic epics of this period. It is written by robert bolt with an assist from michael wilson to the first couple of drafts this movie you just i want to start even just by naming some of the technicals because it's a big ass technical list. This is the movie that really showcase the work of an v. coach. Who's a young editor coming up in the world. She's incredible. Malaysia score is of course famous and now. Let's get on to the people who are actually in the movie so lawrence of arabia. It is a fictionalized version of the story of t e lawrence. A real man went to cairo during world war one was a bit of a buff of the of of the region and then convince them to let him start a revolution of sorts trying to gather up as many local bedouin fighters as he could to fight the turks the turks of course this is a complicated world war history but the turks of course we're allied against british interests. They were more lined with germany. We could get into all of that. We want but this'll be as long as anything. Anything of the british had an interest in helping peter o'toole as t e lawrence hope the arabs fight the turks everybody else in this movie you've got alec guinness prince incisa person and then he also has a real person outta i y you have omar sharif breakout egyptian star here playing a fictionalized person named sharif ali then you've got a bunch brits you've got jack. Hawkins is at general allenby. You've got anthony crane is colonel brighton. You've got claude rains who are going to see again in future. You basically got everybody in a bunch of camels. Yeah amy this movie is massive. It's so massive. It's not even in panavision. It's in super panavision suppo big. I actually felt bad watching it at home it. It reminded me in a way of two thousand and one is a theatre film that i think must must be an amazing experience to watch in a crowded room with a bunch of people and you have that opportunity right now because fathom events which we are not affiliated with is actually <hes> playing saying lawrence of arabia the first couple of days of september so hopefully you get out and see. I think that's the way to see this movie. It is that's the way i i saw the movie. They had <hes> big care if you a few years ago and it was awesome it was totally sold out in egypt huge if anybody's been at the egyptian theatre here in l._a. Classic movie pilots we were in the back row of off the balcony because that was that was the best seat we can get and it was awesome to see just huge and as kind of a social experience where during intermission we wandered got some popcorn got got. Some coffee stretched ran into a bunch of people. We knew it was awesome. I love and intermission. I know we've talked about this but i love a movie that is so grand and we've talked about a handful of them. Ben hur gone with the wind two thousand and one and they all kind of share this d._n._a. A where you are really thrown into a world where the rules of normal film don't really apply right like the pacing incredibly different <hes> you can really exist in two scenes and i would argue out of all the films i just mentioned this film probably has the least amount of plot i mean in two thousand and one doesn't have a tremendous amount of pot either but it's interesting like what's happening. Here is very simple. If you were to break down the story you could you could do it pretty easily with all the specifics can get lost in the minutia but it's a it's a pretty one two three four kind of a film but you are just kind of literally toronto world. I imagine when you're in a theater you feel like i am there and and what must have felt like to be in theater at that point when you're not even getting exposed close to those kinds of landscapes i mean i love that you paired this with ben hur movie that came before it and two thousand and one movie that came after because this really is the movie that let's both assists right. I mean i we're so used to now is using lawrence of arabia is like this shorthand for gigantic epic that oh my god. I don't know if i have time for or snow lawrence arabia to like put it down. It's it's used as an adjective on its own and i think it's hard to really appreciate about what this movie was. In nineteen sixty two is it was modern you know i think we think of as a little bit old fashioned now because it is a period piece even for its day but it was a period piece from a time not that long ago relatively speaking <hes> because we we had drank epics like ben hur but the giant ethics of the day we're like biblical stuff ancient things real history sword and sandals and this was people who made this movie were i alive and could be mad at it. You know the relatives of king faisal were still controlling parts of syria and iraq. I mean this movie really is this pivotal transition wendish moment where it opens the door for the ethics of the future like two thousand one yeah and you can see that going all the way through to a film dunkirk. You know you really can kind of exist in these smaller stories and much more epic landscape. Obviously we're just focusing on this man's journey through the the war. I'd also argue that in nineteen sixty two. You're probably more familiar with some of the details of world war one and that's a that's a kind end of a blind spot for me. I like history but it's it's one of the wars that they don't really know that much about so i wonder also if it puts me a a little bit <hes> far away from the material because it's kind of acclimating myself to what's going on because they don't really lead you into it that much i mean they're keeping you a little bit <hes> their hand holding you to a certain extent but i think if you understood the kind of machinations of what's going on you might even find yourself more immersed in it yeah exactly exactly because i think you're right. We definitely have a world war two bias and film over one bias in film especially when it comes to the films of our generation that we've grown up with and when we do get a world war for one film it's usually films from europe even though the whole fighting in the desert. We don't really talk very much at all like it's not that many movies and so if people are watching this there really confuse. Maybe i should just give a thirty second history of what was going on up until this point absolutely so in lawrence of arabia the turks or the ottoman empire. They're the bad guys as as we're seeing that through this lens it was happening. Here is that at this moment in time like during older one the ottoman empire had been this gigantic empire that controlled parts all the way up into hungary for six hundred years they were massive gigantic empire and end nineteen nineteen in the lead up to nine hundred ninety lead up to this area. They're worried about losing their clout. They're worried about this. Burgeoning world war one that everybody kind of coming they asked if they could make alliances maybe be friendly with the british the french with the russians and they all said no so then what it happens isn't they attack russian ports in the black sea it when they do that when they make enemies with russia then they become sort of like the enemy of my enemy is my friend in the align themselves with germany and and so we were fighting germany and therefore then we had to fight the turks. The turks were enemies. That's sort of the dominant of all of this played out and what we're seeing here in lawrence of arabia is the dissolution of the ottoman empire that ruled part of the world for so long the sultan's the suliman family these beautiful palaces that when you go to turkey you can still we'll see and then the ottoman empire becoming these countries that we know today as like iraq syria palestine jordan countries that we think of as fractious because of actually actually the way the british that we see lawrence of arabia divided up this giant territory deliberately pairing tribes together that they knew didn't get along because they thought if they made a nation state of people who didn't get along than they would always be fighting with each other and the british could control them so all the problems we have today are actually because of this new movie honestly because of this movie but because it looked the story that this movie movie is telling about this country. It will say it's been. It was really interesting for me to watch this film because before i watched the first time i hadn't been to istanbul or seeing the military museum which is all very triumphant from the celtics. This'll tmz point of view. I hadn't been to jordan now been to jordan. I've been to cairo since i since i saw this movie before and after and it's fascinating to see it kind of come to life and to see different parts of the story eliminated now. This movie makes a lot more sense to me because it's it's confusing. It's definitely confusing yeah. If that that sense of overwhelming scope in the war and the factions can kind of be a daunting wanting way in so i know that i kind of took a back seat in just enjoyed it much more from a character perspective and really was watching in you know peter o'toole and omar sharif and seeing it more as like a buddy action movie to a certain degree i mean it is about these just to men. They are essentially an odd couple that are going through going through insurmountable odds and kind of you. You know creating their own army that plays by their own rules. It's a very very traditional story housed in a historical context texts which i think is really smart way to approach immaterial because i could see the other version of it which would be a lot more sleep inducing yeah and what you're describing is actually the evolution of this movie itself because the first couple drafts of the script you mentioned that there are two writers <hes> the first writer michael wilson he wrote the political version he wrote the let's le- out all of the politics make it really clear and david lee and was like you know what we really can't do this. It's too complicated. It's just so we can't we can't handle that. We have to make this character driven and that is win. Win robert bolt come in and made it more of this character driven film and his strategy was like i mean listen the politics in this area. If you really get into them even for us today he was especially looking back with all the history. It's irreconcilable. It's contradictory. It's complicated. There are no heroes. There aren't villains. It's it's so complex so his way in really was just by drilling into the character of t e lawrence a man who i think himself contained all of the complexity and was difficult to figure out into pin down many saw himself as not quite a hero at the end of his life but a villain that by kind of embracing all that mess that's what this movie is and that's the best way through it well. I think that when the film opens it does such a great job of establishing this character the opening scene peter o'toole little bit older on this motorcycles. It's such an amazing shot. They have this <hes> this giant camera on a motorcycle racing down the road. These shots are jarring and they can only only imagine the scope of them in a theater is much more modern feeling than you were expecting. We sat down to arabia well. That's the whole thing that that opening secrets. Do you know what this movie is about and you kind of thrust into this action scene where you you don't know what to make of it. He's got is and in and the and the camera feels it like you feel like you're endangering again talking about being in a theater that is probably you know equivalent to what like seeing in star tours or something because you are in that p._o._v. of you know a very shaky camera and you're not used to such a wide screen film being so recklessly klis lee handheld. You're brought into this death scene and you're like oh my god he's dead. What what is this film and and then you slowly start to see that no one really knows who this character is and we only know a little bit about which is he's reckless and but we also you know he's a hero and we also know that people have made judgments about him but don't even know him so you start in the very first you know five minutes of the movie painting. There's a beautiful picture of a very complicated man. You were talking a little bit about his funeral scene. I wanna play a bit of that. You know you have this reporter going around trying to interview people trying to get what a story of it. I was listening to this like oh my god they took citizen kane structure including a few words about kernels more.
"arabia" Discussed on Unspooled
"Dear is nineteen sixty two. There's a man a plan and a camel. The movie lawrence of arabia hello everybody welcome to on spoiled nicholson paul sheridan and this is the podcast for each week we watch one from from the top one hundred films of all time list the two thousand seven addition to see if they really are as good as people say do they hold up and and how have they influenced the films that we watch now <hes> last week. We spoke about network with our great guests. Tatyana mas lonnie this week we we are talking about lawrence of arabia but before we get into that amy. Let's see what people thought about network. This is one of the movies that i think a lot of people saying it for the first time. We're like oh i get it. I have seen this movie referenced a gazillion times in oh my god this move feel so relevant. Today i love hearing that feedback from people just being like boom. This movie hit me like an electric thunderbolt. I can't believe that is awesome. Thanks so relevant you know. I wish i actually wrote down who said this but i thought it was interesting point so forgive me for not name checking but the idea that we are constantly in this battle of talking down to the next generation right and the idea idea that the way that we talk about millennials is very similar to the way that the old school talked about faye dunaway. You know they were raised on t._v. They don't have any morals and we're constantly looking behind us and criticizing the people there instead of elevating them up and i just thought that was a really interesting point and if you look at all the critiques level that faye dunaway you can see a great similarity between all the critiques against millennials right now. Yeah i think think morgan halen twitter is one of the people who made that point and what i think is the extra delicious irony is that it's the people of the faye dunaway era who are saying that about the millennials. They're the people who like they got it when they were kids now. They're just dishing it back. Man <hes> also <hes> we were taking the task for kind of sympathizing with the faye dunaway character. Some people thought she was a straight straight up monster and deserved no sympathy and i wholeheartedly disagree with that opinion. I i don't know she is <hes> the and nicest person but i don't think she is a monster. We really did get into that but i i disagree with that idea that she is a villain to end all villains as many people send me pictures as of seventies closed showing the women wore too much beige. I'm jealous of the cut of all those pants because you know you've seen a good high waisted pant man. You can't get me in that beige to say my life. No amy <hes> we got to actually really interesting <hes> right up this week we were written up in mr mister skin which is the website that kind of helps <hes> their readers <hes> find spots and film where people are primarily naked and someone was watching english along with us on the fi- list end and not only <hes> kind of continue the conversation with us but actually skewered the conversation to you went naked and there was one shocking mission there which was i don't think bruce willis is but was mentioned from pulp fiction and that's <hes> that is some genuine mister skin territory so yeah. I thought that writers seventy weber. I really appreciated that. One of the scenes that she pointed out was the strip seen in nashville where the singers forced to strip to get people to pay attention to her and and i thought she wrote about it not just from the perspective of yet titties out but like really getting into the emotion of the scene so well done mr skin. Yes thank you mr skin and also thanks to the washington post forgiving us a little bit of a shoutout and their article about the shawshank redemption <hes>. Did you see the pictures from the sideshow of the shawshank redemption. Here's what happened. I can actually talk about this from the l. a. week zachary pincus roth who i adore very much <hes> then he moved to washington and he became the center of the washington post he went to this giant shawshank redemption like then anniversary and that's articles about ba- my god the tattoos people has awesome sculptures out of chocolate i mean i was losing my mind signed following his instagram story about this and then when he wrote about it i was so happy and i was glad that he would say that. Our shawshank episode is still one of our most controversial. Yes i would think that <hes> we may be the public enemy number one of that fan fest i mean i don't think people <hes> great right up so well done zach you know amy. I want to talk about this briefly but the movie the joker premiered vanessa todd phelps movie you know him as the director of music. He's like old school. He also directed me in a film called sculpture scoundrels with john heater <hes> he <hes> and joaquin phoenix kind of collaborated to make the first ever r. rated warner brothers comic book movie <hes> franch potentially franchise picture you know as joaquin phoenix as a joker. The initial response response out of venice was really intense right it. It got an eight minute standing ovation and people it's amazing. It's mesmerizing. People really took out there the sources for this review and then there are a lot of people going. This is an insect story. This is a story that is taking the the wrong message and putting it out there and it was really interesting to kind of see the comparisons to taxi driver and the joker now texture. Everyone comes out and can is boot not received while at all. We talked about that a little bit but did you kinda phony that <hes> online a bit you know because i'm a critic i try not to read anything that anybody says about things you do sense of the vibe around it and i'm gonna toronto this week <hes> for the festival and i'm hoping i get a chance to see the joker but i'll be reviewing these for variety so god only knows have to but i mean i really am interested because it seems like what we're talking about isn't even exactly a film problem but an audience problem and like how do we interpret the movies like where's the weight on the audience to decipher attention because i absolutely believe that some people do see a different movie in taxi driver than i think is intended and also do think that the movie leaves it for open you know and i don't know how to feel about all of that well i i i feel very ill equipped to talk about the joker because i haven't seen it. I've only read people's reactions. Chew it and what i will say is people that were holding up taxi driver as this deft hand telling us very <hes> carefully crafted story. I argue. I think that the moral center the people were saying the tech ever had is not necessarily there. I do agree with you that it's in the eye of the beholder. You can look at it like yes. Travis bickel is a a hero at the end of that movie because of the way the public season we have seen his personal life and i think again movies are for interpretation but you can't compare the two and say that one is responsible for making one. It's era sponsor because they think they both while again. I haven't seen the joker but i don't i can clearly clearly say taxi. Driver is not like this is bad. He is you know he got no. He didn't lectures but maybe maybe that's. The film helmet need something. I want to talk about this movie. When it comes out i mean maybe we do like minnesota on the joke taxi driver because you really get into this once we can and really dig our fingernails into it. I love it all right. Let's get into today's movies a big one. I said to you last week if homework people are really nervous that i said that i did watch it on a small screen. People may have had a chance this week to go out and see on the big screen <hes> but one question that was asked common question. I'll reference paul elliott who asked why is a british classic on the list. Do you know why i mean this kind of gets into the clockwork orange territory a lot of maybe a murder. The money was the financing financing. I wonder if we don't claim things where the money with was there but we don't like the film like. I don't know how that goes i i wanted to. I wonder how many films are both on the af i and the by the british list well if we have an intrepid listener out there that wants to take on this task please do and then let us know when we will reveal the answer next week. <hes> another thing that we brought up <hes> was said call the unspoiled voicemail line at seven four seven six six six five eight two four and if you've not seen lawrence of arabia. Tell us what you think it is about and here's what we got eye radio's about the british invasion of america by the beatles so my knowledge of history is limited to billy joel's. We didn't start the fire nine hundred eighty s tomorrow janney low into sequel to the credit. Can't it's about going to arabia and teaching career lawrence of arabia as a child. I believed believed that it was the cousin of george of the jungle so i i assume it's four hours of lawrence of arabia. Finally meeting his cousin george george of the jungle saint classic <hes> fish out of water tale of a young indian boy who ends up in the middle of arabia arabia where he tiredly works on his jump shot and <hes> starts going by larry bird lawrence of arabia is a prequel to issue talk. You're right. You know what that person was right about the h._r. Thing i'm pretty sure this is a prequel ichitaro you would he think i think now i'm going to have weed inside inside the fire second my head all day <hes> all right amy. Let's get lawrence of arabia into our heads with our feature presentation.
"arabia" Discussed on Worldly
"It's not like what is good for Saudi Arabia objectively it is what Mohammed bin Salman wants to do to maintain power and to assert his own authority and distract from these Doba calls and human rights violations that Alex was describing. He wants other countries to know that if you go after Saudi Arabia's human rights record, you will face retaliation. So he wants to generate running room for himself and whip up national sentiment at home and Canada. It's not like the United States. It's not the most powerful country in the world, Saudi Arabia's prime patron. It's not an e you country so you, you know, he started trying to one of them. Then you get into a major, fade worth entire trading block. It's a western country, a big and prominent one, but one that you can take on with relatively little economic cost, though some, but not the tremendous cost that you would incur by alienating more powerful. Patriot. So it's a perfect country to go after if you want to send a message to other ones stay away from human rights record best. My money is a Middle East expert at the university of Waterloo in Canada, and she wrote this brilliant piece. Zach, I think you actually flagged to me in the globe and mail newspaper, and she has this great essay. You should definitely read. It will link to it in the show notes, but just wanna read one quote from it. She says, this is less about Canadian foreign policy than it is about the Saudis. This is a new, bold Saudi Arabia, trying to make its Mark global and regional affairs led by the young, very brash crown prince Mohammad bin Salman. This latest move is yet another red line that is being used for rial up nationalist and assert Saudi dominance. And that's exactly how to understand what's going on. It has nothing to do with Canada candidate didn't do anything differently than it's always done. What's different is MBA s. what's different is what's happening in Saudi Arabia and what he's doing. And I think that's where we'll leave it for the segments of the one last thing I want to say is that my fiance he was Canadian has been getting. For us for not talking about Canada enough on the show. So Honey, I hope you're happy and you know on the next segment on elsewhere, we'll be talking about something very different, which is some great reporting that Alex did about the North Korean nuclear program, something different, good reporting..
"arabia" Discussed on Arms Control Wonk
"When ahead and on air force air force one enroute japan said a shot was taken by iran in my opinion at saudi arabia and our system knocked it down that's how good we are nobody makes what we make and now we're selling it all over the world and then he gets off the plane in japan right and is at a press conference and he gets ask and then he says that japan will be able to shoot down north korean missiles shoot them out of the sky is actually what he said just like the shatt the saudis shot this missile doubt you can't see me but i'm just shaking my head and looking at the ground because it's literally uninformed speculation but uninformed nonsense from somebody who should be better briefed you know what it also is it is donald trump waving a big red tape at the cns oh saint team so you said well farc we know it support divides system we could probably find what they were defending and work backwards absolutely and like i say we just started early on we had started because we were trying to just place things just to understand which videos were real and an which videos were not and early on with something caught our i that bothered the hell out of me and it i know what it is but tell the listeners so there were videos showing the debris in a neighborhood and we were able to jio locate that net neighborhood is in the northern part of riyadh helpfully in a parking lot in in a parking lot between not between because they're sort of caddie corner to one another but like you know next to a a shopping mall and a boy school.
"arabia" Discussed on WSJ Opinion: Foreign Edition
"A a lot of talk bernard about now these asset a grabs by nbs either in saudi arabia or attempts on to get money back to saudi arabia from abroad which i assume is a much more difficult task now it is that then really about ending socalled corruption or is it a message to this very very large royal family that look the good times are coming to an end you cannot live off of the backs of the oil revenues anymore you can still be princes and royalty in live a good life but maybe not the life the two which you've become accustomed yeah and actually it's more about your behavior is unsustainable and you know you the way you've operated is impossible if the countries to reform itself economically so i i think that it's an attack on a culture of a debt had become dominant in amongst the royals and among some of the business community and basically a culture of impunity people who you know we take on government contracts and never deliver or overcharged for government work he wants to end that culture and to do that you really have to show unity do a greedy brutally i think in the way that in the way that he did although it is important to note that there was no bloodshed at all and there hasn't been so far and second you know they're not actually in in jail or in prison there in a fivestar hotel.