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"This is greg the author of dirty rubles. And you're listening to mother. She wrote so to be clear. Mr Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. Shooting with our position is. I'm not aware all any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time to in that campaign and I didn't have. I have communication with Putin. Have nothing to do with Putin. I've never spoken to him. I don't know anything about him other than he will. Respect me Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing so it is political. Your Communist know Mr Green. Communism is just a red herring like all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to muller she wrote I'm your host ag and we have a quick and dirty show for you today including a story from Jordan Coburn about what Michael Cohen has been up to. I will have an interview later on with L. E. Hoenig about the White House blocking foul from testifying before the House Appropriations Committee and what that has to do with the mcgann Muller Obstruction of Justice House judiciary subpoena. That is now Looking like it might go to the Supreme Court or no already in Supreme Court and then of course we have all the headlines fell under the covert radar for you. I'm flying solo today under lockdown and I have a lot of news to tell you about but first let's get to some corrections. I made a mistake and all right. So let's see here. I've got a correction here. This first of all I adore all of you. And thank you so much. For bringing levity and truth to the news this is less a correction and more of a yes and in response to the conversation you had in Saudi Word Salad Way Back on December eighteenth to twenty one thousand nine This person's still catching up on episodes. You had a conversation about homeless shelters in Jordan especially was wondering why there are so many people who do not utilize homeless shelters as someone who does trauma work and works with many marginalized communities. I thought I could add some information to your conversation. There are a ton of reasons. Why everyone why not? Everyone uses homeless shelters or homeless services including house rules. Some shelters have rules for staying at them that not everyone can meet as ag mentioned like being sober going through their specific program for housing or for example. My local shelter requires you to go to the police headquarters every day and night. Pass before you're allowed to access to shelter also there's overcrowding many shelters especially in areas or full. Qualifying homeless can be an issue. A homeless. Some homeless services have very stringent rules for qualifying for example. My local homeless task force requires you to be living on the street for a year to qualify as homeless and then of course priorities versus compliance since homeless. Folks have different personal priorities than homeless service professionals. For example many Trans folks refuse to focus on food shelter or anything else until they gain access to hormone replacement therapy and healthcare but many homeless services professionals are trained to expect Une House folks to comply with their order for accomplishing things And then there's work requirement. Some homeless shelter services also have work requirements. May WanNa pull my hair out. And they require the person to be applying for jobs if they are unemployed without recognition. That many House folks are disabled or require other services to be able to work. Of course there are many additional barriers to accessing shelters housing or homeless services. But I'm sure you get the idea here. Basically Homelessness Service tends to be very paternalistic instead of empowerment based on the results in this results. In many downstream challenges to addressing the needs of the unhealthiest best sky cantaloupe communications director And thank you very much for sending that correction or a yes and and from Chris. Hello Ladies just want to let you know the daily beans still the only essential daily podcast. Listen to keep up with the most batch of timelines truly you are essential workers that said. I got tripped up at the mention of David. Ferret hold winning the Pulitzer prize Wednesday. You're right. He wanted it for exposing trump foundation scandal but he wanted in twenty seventeen the two thousand twenty. Pulitzer prizes which should have been announced last week. We're instead delayed until May may the fourth dacoven nineteen so what triggered his own. Wh what triggered his orange fuck food on the Pulitzer Nobel Prizes. Who knows maybe he's now snorting bleach cleansers or getting a UV enema. It's trump corrections may be your favorite part of the show but mine is everything altogether especially when all three of you can talk back and forth. Together I missed. That nature is returning to the cities and laughter. Is the best medicine. Be well stay safe and keep up the awesome work. Thank you Chris. From Bill. The best to my to the best of my knowledge trump hasn't defended the World Health Organization because he actually can't the US contribution is already been made for two thousand twenty. The house would have to sign off any future. Defunding yet bill. I thought we mentioned that. I thought we went over that this is part of the impoundment control acts same thing that the GAO found wrong with the holding up of Ukraine. You are correct bill. That is true. He has not defended it yet but he has announced his intentions to do so I think of the hundred. Twenty million appropriated sixty million has gone their way and he's trying to hold back the other sixty million of course that probably against the law. I'm sure we'll get some sort of a memo from the Government Accountability Office which resides in the legislative branch. Not the executive branch so trump doesn't have as much of a reach to shut them up is. I'm sure we'll get a memo saying that. That doesn't violate the impoundment control. Act So thank you for that. And for Mark Owens Expert Armchair legal analyst analysis always appreciated on Jordan's segment on Miller she wrote on April twenty-sixth about the NRA. She lamented the lack of alternatives while the NRA certainly is a large membership. They're not the only gun rights organization. Look into pink pistols and the Huey P Newton gun club organizations. I would even add ducks. Unlimited two disgusted. Mri NRA members I really appreciate your guests. You're able to feel deep bench of Eloquent. Experts thank you. I don't know how we do it either. From Ezra you're also funny. I'm a daily listener. Edgy always mentioned. Active Measures on Netflix. Finally went to go watch it. But it's no longer on Netflix. Founded on Hulu. I thought it would be helpful if someone else wanted to watch. Love you all. Thank you for letting US know and from Celestial Award Lovey. Ladies you make my day start with a dose of news and smart commentary helped so much. Ag expressed worry that thirty New Yorkers have gone to the hospital with issues relating to ingesting bleach. I can't find the news that anyone has done this. The thirty number might have been from a widely circulated story that there was a spike in calls to the NYC poison control center but compared to numbers last year on the same day which had thirteen calls but such an increase had been happening for a while because of increased disinfected news again. I have the balls to correct you on this because you guys are so good getting things right and not being jerks about it And the really good news is that trump's ridiculous statements haven't seemed to endanger anyone except for maybe children or the mentally incapacitated who should be kept from poisons in the first place. Anyway thanks for a great show up celestial thank you for that correction. I had read it in passing and I must have confused it. So thank you for letting me know all right. Those are corrections. If you have any for us please had to muller she wrote Dot Com. Click on contact. Select corrections from the dropdown menu and build as a compliment sandwich. We'll get it right eventually. We like to say and now. It is time for the headlines. So let's jump in with just the fact. Sir All right the big news this week at least as far as I'm concerned is that the DC Circuit Court of Appeals has denied a stay requested by the trump administration in the muller grand jury material case and has given the trump administration only until the department of Justice only until may eleventh to seek a stay from the Supreme Court. If they fail to do so or if the Supreme Court denies the stay the Department of Justice will be forced to hand over the grand jury materials to the House judiciary who demanded it last July twenty seventh. We were live on stage in Chicago with Renault Mariotti. I'll never forget it They submitted Jerry Nadler submitted that request demand on July twenty seven hundred article one powers of impeachment. That is when I felt that. The impeachment inquiry actually open because article. One impeachment inquiry was invoked in the demand for the grand jury materials by Nadler and the House Judiciary Committee on July twenty seventh although it wasn't until September when Nancy Pelosi announced official impeachment inquiry looking into the Ukraine affair Given the history of the Supreme Court here and motions for stays from this administration. I think that the Supreme Court will grant a stay But I don't want you to think that that means the court is bought and paid for yet. At least we haven't had any of these big five cases decided in the Supreme Court but I would put beans on them. Granting this stay they seem to be airing on the side of caution and conservatism In these cases because this is the president of the United States. Talk to to Ellie honegger a little bit about that as well. Later on in the show But you know as you know. I'm if you've been listening you know what the milligram materials means. It's every piece of documentary evidence that came out of the more investigation millions and millions of documents terabytes of data and this is the equivalent of the Joyce Q. Roadmap that was sent from the drawer. Ski The special counsel the Independent Counsel looking into Watergate to the House of Representatives. Then and that is what gave them the roadmap to impeachment. There were actually accusations of crimes committed by Nixon in that document which is what caused him to resign. And what caused? Republicans in the Senate to say and the House to say. We can't support you bro. There's crimes found by the grand jury that you would have been indicted for and so that was sent over now. We didn't see the ski roadmap until a couple of years ago. That's how sacrosanct the grand jury secrecy rules are it had been almost forty years and we hadn't seen the materials the worst materials and now we've got the grand jury materials about to make their way to the house. I do believe eventually they will. They will get there I think that even if Skoda's grants the stay and here's this case on the merits that they will Say that the the Department of Justice Hand to hand over the the Muller Materials If it happens after the election an argument could be that this is no longer needed for impeachment And so that might be a bit of a roadblock and then we won't get it until forty years from now but I honestly I don't know I just had to figure out a way to keep my head alive so I can be there for when that news drops and from the Washington Post. The Secret Service paid for a room at the trump hotel in downtown. Dc for one hundred and thirty seven consecutive nights in two thousand seventeen to the tune of almost thirty three thousand dollars and that was so it could protect Treasury Secretary Steve while he lived in one of the luxury hotel suites. That's eighty three hundred dollars a night next door to this room. This is according to federal documents and people three people familiar with this deal Steve lived in a luxury suite for several months before moving to DC and buying a house. There MNUCHIN paid for his own room according to the Treasury Department do I believe them? No but in any case The secret service rent it out the room next door at the taxpayer's expense Let's see one hundred and thirty seven nights eighty three hundred dollars and get out of a trustee Ti Texas instruments calculator. Here that it. Keep it the desk for these types of calculations one thirty seven and a three hundred. That's one point one. Four million dollars to trump from Steve and thirty three thousand from the tax payers and again according to federal documents Steve lived in this luxury suite. Like I said before. He bought a twelve point. Something Million Dollar Mansion He let's see here. Twelve point six million dollars in DC in February totally Amana. The people anyway. The trump hotel charged the MAC's rate for the secret service allowed for federal agencies which was to forty two per night which isn't unusual to charge the MAC's rate But Steve Decision to stay at the hotel and the secret service set up two separate revenue streams for trump. One from Steve. To the tune of one point one million provided he paid the full eighty three hundred dollars. We still don't know that per night and one from Mr and Mrs John Q. Tax payer that's us The constitution bars the president from taking payments from the federal government But trump has argued that this provision was not meant for him. I don't know who it's meant for. If not you. And this very specific scenario. That is domestic emoluments. The administration and the Treasury continue to block reporting on accounting of how much federal agencies have paid trump's companies since the inauguration and Steve as we know from a past reporting here on this show has asked to delay secret service accounting until after the election. Why Gosh I I can't but like I said. He moved out of the trump hotel in February when he bought his thirteen million dollar mansion and spent your tax dollars to line. The pockets of the president by secret service. Live next door on any other planet. This would be a massive scandal but as meadow says were on planet one right now and this is just going right under the radar and in Other News Mitch. Mcconnell wants to recall the Senate despite there being a massive pandemic outbreak and despite not having adequate testing according to politico and he wants to do this not to work on stimulus or corona virus response but to appoint conservative judges probably before trump loses his ass in November. He wants to pack the Courts as much as he can. Before that fateful election so wonderful putting our elected officials lawmakers lives at risk to appoint judges but he wouldn't give Merrick Garland and meeting interesting. And now let's get an update on Michael Cohen from Jordan. Coburn for hot notes hot notes. Lou. Come to Jordan's hot notes. I two quick when free today very quick. So I'm just GONNA jump right into it. This one's about our buddy. Michael Cohen Michael Cohen was supposed to be released from prison on Friday. That's because of the increased danger to inmates that was assessed in many of the Prisons this is obviously because cove in nineteen. And he's not gonNA actually get out though he's not You seeing that release and there's some interesting events that unfolded immediately following that that he wasn't going to be released but Cohen's lawyer Roger Adler he told CNBC about this. I am disappointed that Michael was not released after the fourteen day quarantine period. That's what the understanding was that he was going to quarantine for those two weeks. He did that and then he was going to serve out the rest of his time confined at home but now it seems like he's going to be eligible for release at the end of. May and so. The we're kind of thing that happened surrounding that enhancement other the day. The okay so the delay announcement happened a day after. Charles after not before my bed a day after Charles Harder. Who's a lawyer for? The trump organization set Kona letter As a warning saying that when he gets out he would be at legal risk if he wrote the book that it has been rumored that he's going to write about his time. Working for trump harder noted that Cohen sign an NDA and that he couldn't reveal any info about trump his family or his businesses. That's according to ABC News Cohen. As we know has been working on a huge. You know. Tell all book like all. These people are doing right now. And ideally it was going to be released before the November election. So that'll just be very interesting to see what happens. I mean he can be still be working on the book currently while he's in prison. I'm sure he's already doing that so I don't know how much I imagine. All the other people who have written tell all books also had some sort of like agreement signed where they weren't supposed to talk about the maybe not though because they were functioning in the capacity of government officials versus essentially. Like a you know. A privately hired attorney for trump. So I can't wait to see how that all unfolds. I hope that we get to. We get to hear everything but we'll see And that's it that's all I got for the hot note today. Folks Super Short hope everyone is doing great and having a good start to their week and holding up holding up. Okay I will talk to you all next week on Miller she wrote goodbye all right thanks Jordan for that update and finally. The White House is blocking Dr. Foudy from testifying mcgann. Decision could impact a corona virus reckoning. Let's listen to a discussion. I had today with an expert about the implications. All right. Everybody. Welcome back joining me for the interview is CNN. Legal analyst and former state and federal prosecutor Ellie Hoenig Ellie E. Thanks for agreeing to speak with me today. Thank you for having me. I think like probably a lot of listeners. I have a lot of time on my hands so more than happy to have something to do. Awesome and I. I know you're outside right now and I can hear the Birds Chirping and I absolutely love it. I enjoyed the Jersey nature that I'm surrounded by Jersey Nature got it. I guess you don't live near any petrochemical refineries or anything not not within the five mile radius. I can say that the the garden state is alive. And well how are you? How are you holding up during this is doing really really all things considered very well? I mean most importantly healthy and happy and able to work and It's just so many people are going through. So many were things that I will be the absolute last person that complained about any of this. And Are you? Are you locked down with some family are yeah I have a fourteen a twelve year? Old Kid a senator daughter so they are doing the home schooling thing. Luckily this is a big factor. How old your kids are? My kids are old enough. They don't need me but people with eight and six and seven year olds. Gosh they got it. They have to be with them all day walking through their second grade curriculum. That is tough. I don't have to deal with that. Thankfully I only have cats and a dog so home. Schooling is very different for me all right. Well the reason I wanted to bring you on is because of some stuff that you tweeted out last week. I think we learned Friday that the White House has decided to block in Dr Anthony. Fauci from testifying about the Cova response to a House Committee. Can you tell us a little bit about that committee and the request so this is the House Appropriations Committee which basically holds the purse strings. Decide where money gets spent is so their jurisdiction is really almost as broad as whatever they want to ask about. It's kind of like a parrot. We says look. I pay your bills I can ask you. Whatever I want and appropriations committee typically has very broad sort of subject matter jurisdiction so in that sense. I think there's nothing surprising about this. And it's a it's a certainty a mathematical certainty that Congress will at some point dig deep into the administration's Corona Virus Efforts I think there's an argument to be made that this is maybe a bit early to be asking Dr Fatty for his testimony. I mean we're still right in the middle of this and I think there's a fair. It's not legal argument. It's just a an overall argument of look when the dust settles. That's the time to do this. But I guess the counter argument would be. If there's mishandle going on now we need to know about it. We Congress and the American public needs to know about it now when we still have the opportunity to do something about it. Yeah and there's another argument to because I think we just learned that FAO. She is being allowed to answer questions in the Senate in two weeks. And since the house is democratically controlled the Senate is controlled by Republicans. Does this smell political at all to you? I mean I know we can only speculate hundred percent. I mean. That's a huge difference and we we saw during impeachment the difference between being questioned in a democratic controlled house versus being controlled Republican question. Republican controlled Senate is night and day and whichever party is in the majority makes the rules and controls the floor and really has its run of the show and so I think it's absolutely a political calculation that will find within testifying in the Republican controlled Senate but not in the Democrat controlled. House and one thing. I have to point out. This may be a coincidence. I don't know but may twelve is the date. When fatty supposed to testify in the Senate also happens to be the that trump tax returns cases getting argued in the US Supreme Court so We'll see what the attention goes but I suspect if FAO she's testifying that will get all of the attention one hundred percent. I mean when before when these arguments were scheduled for March thirty first that is when they magically said that bill bar could testify to to Congress so it's they have a knack for scheduling things on oral arguments. Skoda's case trump day. That's a good point. Yeah and of course also just occurred to me As you were speaking there the Appropriations Committee During impeachment. We we you remember. The Government Accountability Office which is a legislative body Had put out a memo saying. Hey we you know what? The withholding of Ukraine aid is against the law. It's against the impoundment control. Act and of course. The Impoundment Control Act is directly tied to the Appropriations Committee because funding appropriated by. Congress may not be blocked by the executive branch and so maybe trump just has a you know something as craw with the Appropriations Committee. It could be an and the question now. Really is is the appropriations committee or the House. Democrats going to fight back. Are they going to push for voucher? They just going to sort of sit back and take it as they've shown a bit of a tendency to do in the baller case and in impeachment. Yeah although I will say given the fact that the election is what Six months away and we're in the middle of the pandemic. It might not be politically optically wise to do a to do. A you know a commission nine. Eleven commission style investigation. Although that's not what I think I don't think that's what this was But it might. It might not be prudent at this juncture as George Bush say agree. I think we eventually will see a nine eleven commission like investigation of this but I think like the nine eleven commission that will happen. Well after the fact that I think nine eleven commission report came out You know a good amount of time after nine eleven But what I think. I think the house is argument. Here would be. We want to monitor what's happening To some extent in real time obviously members of the House can't be inside the important rooms of the White House but they can still conduct oversight. I think they might say it's important that we do this wall. There's still something that can be done if this is not so much about signing blame and Credit as it is about ensuring that this is being handled well and so. That's why we need to do it now. I think that's the argument. They would make the argument. We are hearing from the executive branch in the White House. Is it's a it's a sideshow. It's a distraction it's premature. We need Dr Foul Tree to be focused on his day to day job and he shouldn't be wasting time testifying in Congress right now and Muller said that on multiple occasions in his testimony in his report. You know when when if you can't indict the president. Why'd you investigate and he's like well? The special counsel is given the duty to do so while memories are fresh while evidence is still available so it makes sense and then of course you know with the House. Democrats given trump's war against our inspectors general As of late I can see why they would want to take up legislatively but sure and speaking of future potential nine eleven commission style investigations into into the corona virus response. You had mentioned that. There's currently a case in the supreme. I think it's at the Supreme Court level now Or at least it's been petitioned to be by the trump administration about the subpoena of former White House counsel Don mcgann way back from July twenty seventh of last year filed under Article One powers Of Impeachment to get that to get his testimony on whether or not trump obstructed justice in the more investigation. And while that really has nothing to do with Cova nineteen you have said it. It does actually matter what that decision is and when it happens in the investigation into the covert response. Can you explain a little bit about that? Yes how how does Don mcgann relate to Kobe? Respond the answers that Don mcgann cases going to decide whether Congress has a truly enforceable subpoena power over the executive branch now just as a quick refresher so after the Mullen report came out house. Democrats subpoenaed mcgann and the White House. Said no he's not going to testify. Then this is the one and only case where House Democrats actually went to court and said courts. We need you to order them to let him testify. We need you to back or subpoena with legal force and that argument succeeded at the District Court level. The trial court level. The judge came down with a very strongly written opinion. She said he has to testify. This is not what separation of powers is about and people may remember the line from that judge received. She said presidents are not kings then the case went to court of Appeals in DC. The Court of Appeals came out the other way actually bailed out they said this is not for us to rule long. This is a political dispute between Congress and the White House. The courts cannot get involved now. That's a hugely problematic ruling because it essentially means Congress has no meaningful way to enforce it subpoenas against the executive branch but after that opinion came out. The Court of Appeals granted rehearing which is very rarely done. It's by what's called on Bonk meeting. All of the available judges. Usually the first ruling was three judges on a panel and that argument just happened last week. So we're going to get a new ruling out of the. Dc Court of Appeals. And I think that ruling will be in favor of the House. I think the Court of Appeals will say yes. We can enforce a congressional subpoena on the executive branch. And we do. And then I think whichever side loses going to try to get the case up to the Supreme Court we don't know if the Supreme Court will take it but ultimately whichever way this case comes out will dictate whether the House has real enforceable subpoena power over the executive branch whether it's Don mcgann whether it's a witness in impeachment whether it's Dr Foulkes your any other witness relating to corona virus or anything else that may come up and I think that I listen to those arguments to just recently For the on bunkering. And I'm with you. I think it's a hundred percent gonNA come down in favour of Nadler the House judiciary because one of the main arguments that the trump administration's making other court cases is the only remedy for for going after president is impeachment and even row judge. Rao said that in her dissent of the of the original ruling and not the original ruling but the appellate court ruling. And that's a cheese a trump appointee although it shouldn't matter who would appoint who but it's obvious in this case And so one of the judges asked Mu. Bon who I believe was counsel for the Department of Justice. Hey so impeachment. Is it right yes? Impeachment is the only remedy. Well how do you expect the Congress to be able to investigate an an impeachment if they don't have subpoena power they can't enforce their subpoena power? So I it. It seemed like it was going to be clear what that ruling is and so it will be interesting to see but the timeline on this is pretty long decision. Could come out in October it. Yeah so a couple of things first of all. There's definitely an irony in the fact that if you remember when the president was impeach article two of the impeachment was obstruction of Congress because the president the executive branch had ignored all of Adam ship subpoenas and the Republicans said in defense of that. You can't just impeach us. You never even went to court to try to enforce your subpoenas and other arguing in court. What the Court to enforce your subpoena? So it's very much of a catch twenty two if if if the trump people have their way but yeah the time line. Here's been really long. And this I think is largely on the Democrats because the Muller report came out in April. They didn't file. They didn't go to court to try to enforce the subpoena on again for four months. It took them four months to get the court until August dating demand expedited ruling or anything like that. The original ruling came out in November December. I mean litigated is slow. But it doesn't have to be this slow. What what the House Democrats should have done was subpoenaed mcgann immediately giving them a week or two weeks to comply not comply and then gone. There's no reason they couldn't have been in court. In May three months three and a half months earlier than they were and demand expedited ruling. It's not hard to explain to a judge. This is very very important and time sensitive so I. I blame the Democrats for not pushing this with urgency that they needed to Watergate. Got The tapes in four months. Oh sure I mean. There were several court disputes in Watergate. That were given expedited rulings and cases were heard and decided within days and weeks so look can of course of course are overburdened than they have. Too many cases on the docket but courts control their own dockets and they can move as fast as they need to. If it's an emergency courts can get things done. Really really quick. They're all just human beings. They know how to prioritize so this notion. That litigation must take excruciating. Amount of time is really not accurate. If it's the right issue if the parties are pushing do you think we'll get an one of the on Bonk Decision? Maybe Monday or they come out. Monday's don't they? I don't know exactly what day of the week they come out. I think this Monday would be a little quick. I mean the oral argument was just on this past Tuesday. That would be six days. I think they probably know where they're going. I mean there's a reason they granted on Bonk review that is like I said that it's extraordinarily rare to see a court of Appeal. Say Basically. We're going to reconsider a subgroup of us that usually suggests that the whole court of Appeals strongly disagrees and wants to come out the other way so I suspect they largely already know where they're going and probably have most of their opinions already written. So yeah I think we'll get a ruling there fairly quickly and I hope. The Court of Appeals Surveying the broader landscape. And saying this cates needs to move because this is going to determine things like can somebody. Can the Congress subpoena somebody like Dr Faucher and the case is going to you know someone like we said someone the loser's GonNa try to get this to the Supreme Court without question and if the Supreme Court takes it and of course they'll have the final say and that'll take many more months but if not then whatever we hear from the Circuit Court of Appeals in DC? That'll be? That'll be the wool. Yeah there's a lot of rare things happening in the courts. These days. I've noticed unusual. Large amounts of stay granting happening Right right although to pivot a little bit in the Muller Grand Jury Material Case I know that the DC Circuit Court of appeals just said. No no stay from US. You have eleven. You'll have until may eleventh to to get a stay from the Supreme Court And we will submit its tiny day. Minnie's Day and we'll see we'll see how that goes down Yeah funny how parties want more stays when November starts Duma calendar. If we could just push it off. Yeah but they've been giving they've been granted. Every single of the you know the big five cases deutchebanks Maziarz the other. Maziarz a mcgann. And in this case the milligram material case they've granted the stay in every instance. Yeah Yeah what courts. Typically grant states short stays to allow the parties an opportunity to appeal and everyone's appealing everything all the way as high as they can go so It'll be an interesting race against the clock if they don't grant the State Supreme Court doesn't grant the stay in the in the more grandeur material case that'd be the first time and and then they'll be forced to hand it over. It'll be I I don't I think they'll grant stay. I feel like the Supreme Court here and the DC Circuit Court of Appeals are going out of their way to err on the side of caution T to ensure that everybody gets their full ass due process because this is the president of the United States so I imagine grant that day but God. We have nice party if they didn't are inherently conservative. I don't mean ideologically lower case seat. They they they they always want to make sure everyone gets. And they should this role. Everyone gets a chance to argue and be heard and appeal and repeal and all that so quarter rarely going to say just no to bad rattled. Lock do this now. I don't even care if you don't have time to appeal up the line but yeah they do. Start to pile all these cases right now. Sorry token morrow tomorrow. I don't care and I don't like your face. When I was a prosecutor we used. We didn't really ask for extra time or our command was to always be ready at all times. But sometimes you'd see a defense lawyer asked to postpone a trial or to put things off judges up. Now be here. We're doing this too bad. That was always kinda fun when that I really liked that one that happened with the BGN Rafiki and Bijon trial. That was somebody that Flynn was supposed to Testify as a cooperating witness but became an unindicted co-conspirator and they're like hey my My daughter's getting married in in the fall and the judge's cool we'll do we'll do the trial and July then by. Yeah well it's funny. Actually speaking of the mcgann case I was at the district argument in Washington DC on Halloween. Remember and I was there for CNN covering it. And the judge said he very tight briefing schedule and But one of the parties objected because it went through Thanksgiving and the party said well judge. We push back a little bit. Because it's Thanksgiving the judges said. What are you kidding me? I know it's Thanksgiving. Take a few hours out and be with your family but this is important. You GotTa get this movement kind of embarrassing moment for the attorney there for those tiny moments. I really do all right. Well thank you so much for joining me today. C. N. N. Legal analyst former state and federal prosecutor covering both fields there Elliott Elliott. Thanks for joining me anytime. Thanks for having me take care. Alright everybody that is our show today. that is more she wrote. I appreciate all of you emailing your corrections from our website again. That's more. She wrote Dot Com. And thank you to everyone. Who's a patron who turned up at Saturday's TIKI cocktail? Qna hang out sweet sweet. Hangs that was so much fun. I loved wherein my Tiki stuff. I haven't in a while and since August since they've canceled Tiki Oasis. I didn't get my Tiki fix. I really appreciate you giving me the The space to do that And everyone's pictures are awesome Everyone you can tag. Hashtag daily happy hour with photos from from your tiki cocktail experiences. Well we've got so many great photos so many great people thanks to the hundreds of people who came on and listened We're GONNA see if we can get some guests this coming week. 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Thursday, March 5, 2020
"This is Westwood One Daily News from Washington. Dc for March Fifth Twenty twenty. I'm John Trout. The House approved an emergency spending bill to fund the Federal Response to Corona virus correspondent. Linda Kenyon has the story. The yeas are four hundred fifteen. The nays are two two thirds being in the affirmative. The rules are suspended. The bill is passed. It was an overwhelming margin of support for the eight point three billion dollar spending package congresswoman. Nita Lowey who helped craft the bill said. This is no time for delay. Congress is acting with the seriousness and sense of urgency. The Corona Virus Threat Demands Lowy. Who heads the house? Appropriations Committee offers a peak. What's inside the bill? It provides eight point three billion dollars in an entirely new funding to keep Americans safe including more than three billion for research and development of Vaccines Therapeutics and Diagnostics. Three hundred million for the government to purchase vaccines at a fair and reasonable price. Two point two billion in public health funding for Prevention Preparedness Response Nine hundred fifty million of which is to support state and local health agencies. Kay granger the ranking Republican on. The House Appropriations Committee also supported the bill. I urge all of my colleagues to join me in voting for the measure. The White House vice-president Mike Pence who heads the corona virus taskforce applauded the house passage of the bill. The legislation implements the president's vision to ensure that not only do our federal agencies. Have the support and resources that they need but also that our state and local partners have their support. The bill now goes to the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell says he's anxious to put the measure to a vote. Optimistic we can complete legislation deliver this funding this week. Minority leader Chuck Schumer also urged passage of the bill. Joel of my colleagues in the interest of time understanding the urgency of the matter to help us achieve this goal. If that happens the bill could reach president. Trump's desk for his signature by week's end Linda. Kenyon Washington hangs out stiers out. The last billionaire Democrat in the race for President has ended his campaign. Michael Bloomberg looked at the data and saw no path forward so Steve Kastenbaum reports. He threw his support behind a man who does appear to have a chance at the nomination after making his announcement Literature Supporters Michael Bloomberg Address. Them in person along with people who worked on his campaign. I WanNa thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your support your work and your votes and I'm just telling you the American public should be saying thank you as well. You really made history really did. He said he wasn't going away though. If you remember I ended the race. What PRESIDENT TO DEFEAT DONALD TRUMP? And today I am leaving the race for the same reason to defeat Donald trump because staying in would make it more difficult to achieve that goal to reach that goal. Bloomberg said he was putting his support behind Joe Biden. I've always believed that the beating. Donald Trump starts moving uniting behind the candidate with the best shot to do it and after yesterday's vote is clear that candidate is my friend and a great American Joe Biden then. Bloomberg did something. He has rarely if ever done in the public eye. He got emotional. Being part of this campaign is more than a young boy who memorize midnight rider. Paul revere ever dreamed up today. I believe that are great. Nations still sees that light in the old North Church Tower. The light of freedom light of liberty white of equality of opportunity. It's the same light that shines from the torch of the Statue of Liberty and inspires the world with our values and our ideals. Bloomberg said no president will ever dim that light. He also said if he had become the Democratic Party's nominee he would have beaten president trump. I'm Steve Kastenbaum. They recovery processes slowly beginning across parts of Middle Tennessee after a string of deadly tornadoes tore through four counties this week corresponding Clayton Neville says. The Greater Nashville area is coming together to bounce back from the storm. In historic East Nashville Trendy buildings demolished one hundred year old homes destroyed the chainsaws or out in the community. Rallying around each other to one day rebuil- liquid terro lives in the neighborhood on Ground Zero and just realizing the magnitude of how much devastation this entire storm has caused. It's just it's just really disheartening. But it's awesome also just the community come together like how quick these things are getting. You know at least helped as much as they can but it is terrible down here. He's room mate. Harrison Johnson confident the area will make a comeback think East Nash was GonNa Stand up stand together and I think once they rebuild. I think it's going to die was just neighbors walking out and helping people and I think that's what's going to. I think it's GonNa stay the same but he says. This storm has disrupted daily life for now. We had tons of people who couldn't come to work. We actually had to residents fellow lose lose their homes and so it absolutely has affected people and you know loved ones and things like that and we were doing all we can to help out. This man set up a charging station on one of the hardest hit streets for people to charge their phones or power tools and We've got Free Water Eighty Miles East and Putnam County. Where the majority of deaths occurred in e four twister. The recovery stage hasn't quite begun. Volunteers still asked to stay away. While crews continue to clear hazards officials. Say about ninety percent of the search effort is complete. Nashville Electric Service. Ceo DACOSTA JENKINS CALLING. The scope of the storm massive. This has been the most devastating storm with my career. We've identified approximately six hundred broken polls. Tens of thousands of people still without power but volunteers and utility crews flocking to the area. Where Nashville Mayor John Cooper says? Resiliency will prevail. What an incredible community we have. Now we're in the transition to recover it. Clayton Neville Nashville scammers may try to use you to move stolen money. The Federal Trade Commission is warning that if you help them you could be what the law enforcement calls. Money Mule correspondent Christopher cruise reports. The Federal Trade Commission says the offer might come as a text email or letter inviting you to work on a quote research project starting soon in your area several people who got an offer to be a secret shopper for a whole foods thought it was a scam and wrote to the FTC to warn others. They were right. The offers were scams. It works like this. Someone sends you a check for two thousand dollars and tells you deposit it? Keep four hundred fifty dollars of it and quickly send them the balance or by gift cards and give them the pin codes. The agency says if anyone tells you to do any of that. It's a scam. The check is fake and when it's returned the bank is going to demand. Its money back from you. Christopher crews Washington on April twenty ninth of this year and asteroid estimated to be between one point one and two point five miles wide will fly by earth. The asteroid is called five to seven six eight and it was first spotted in nineteen ninety eight. It will pass within three point. Nine million miles of earth moving at more than nineteen thousand miles per hour to fly by is expected to occur on April twenty nine just before five in the morning eastern time if it did hit the earth NASA says the asteroid is large enough to cause global affects. I'm bill Michaels Westwood. One Daily News for Thursday March Fifth Twenty Twenty. I'm John Trout.
Overtime - Episode #508: Samantha Power, Sarah Haider, Heather McGhee, Tim Naftali, Andrew Sullivan
"Welcome to an. HBO podcast from the HBO Latent Series Real Time With Bill Maher. The panel and here are the questions. What do you think of today's climate strike while I'm collect cited. Wait a minute strike. This is a huge deal. Audit is a glows all over the globe young people are saying and what the fuck excuse me and have walked out of school walked out of their jobs from Nairobi Toronto to New York to La.. I was very sad that I was not able to be there in person but I heard so many incredible stories of young people from all walks of life who just are very very clear about the stakes and are very clear about the corruption and the rot at particularly in our country that is stopping us from doing what we need to to do to ensure the planet will be fine. It's our people that won't be fine. It's the animals the Wildlife Society as we know it just and so I mean you literally have had I think the estimates have been you know well. Over ten million people young people doing the biggest mass action action in the history of the globe. Today will actually trained. It's like trump is going to see it on TV and say call the DPA. I'm reversing my policy. Get young people to vote more. That's the trump problem. Trumpism goes away when people vote the problem is people don't vote people take participation seriously and if you get him out if you get him out marching ching and you tell them you know what you can actually make something of this by voting. It's a start but it's an important part of voter. Suppression is a part of this country yeah yeah. That's part of it too. How do you suggest helping atheist normalized religious dissent in countries where a criticism of religion might lead to jail or worse yeah well. I mean the first step would be something. That's obvious that we stand for religious dissent here in the we know what's happened to you know the way that the cartoonists and novelists have been treated in the West in the past when does the Russia fair that happened and we had the Danish cartoons and we had Charlie Hebdo in the massacre entirely Updo and there were too many any people and he's so shameful to even think about it. There were too many people who were looking at those massacres at those dead bodies and thinking well but what did they really say and and did they really hurt. We need to think about not offending religious sensibilities. I mean which was an to do so the first step would just be to not do that and stand Stanford liberal principles here. The pope said that they were asking for it. You know which is is which would very insulting to Muslims by the way also. It's the soft bigotry of expectation that you can't do this without them. Exploding you know we should expect better. Okay Okay Andrew. What do you think of the British parliament's revolt against Boris Johnson. You're a British I am or you're used to be eh up there. I think they're playing a dangerous game. I think that the people of the United Kingdom voted voted by majority small one but clear when they wanted to leave the EU if the parliament decides they're not going to do what the people wanted the response this is GonNa be wild anger fury and of course the empowerment of the populist far-right and what Boris Johnson is attempting eighteen to do right now is to prevent that happening to try and get a deal which I understand is actually closer than most people seem to think and if Boris Johnson does that I I think he's going to win the election with a landslide right now. You won't hear in the American press the Boris Johnson the Conservative Party supporting Brexit a twelve points ahead of closest assist rival in the polls it will be a landslide for the right wing for the sane right wing Conservative Party if if forests can pull it off so I think the parliament's risking risking alienating a lot of people in the United Kingdom Okay Tim. Do you think New York will prosecute trump while he's still in office. If they find he committed crimes yeah this is interesting. Now New York is going after him the DA there and trump is suing the state of New York from getting always the taxes. It's it. Is it really that hard to get somebody frigging taxes. Actually there's a precedent. If the House started impeachment precedings right they could act on the precedent established in nineteen seventy four were Nixon's taxes were turned over to the House impeachment committee so there is a precedent but they have to make the decision that they're having an impeachment inquiry. It's also true that an impeachment inquiry they have much stronger chance of getting this conversation with the Ukrainian president out there. It's a much higher standard when you're impeaching the mother but let me tell you how you do it. Let me tell you how you do it. It one of the problems that the house has always had with the intelligence community is that the intelligence oversight people are here and then the appropriators are there if you can get the chair the House Appropriations Committee to tell the deny the deny no funding unless you give us information you watch. You don't need impeachment hearing you just tell the Intel community rebel. Isn't that an easy political jab to say well. The Democrats are cutting off funding for our national intelligence elegance operation not say if the issue is. You don't want to keep us safe. The issue is bribery bit about our true. This is what you want to honor them if the reporting porting is correct this is a bigger deal. I think in the end you win. Thank God. We don't have a hollowed out military anymore. All right thank you. Everybody appreciate Joel new episodes of real time with Bill Maher every Friday night at ten or watching any time on H._B._O. On demand for more information log on H._B._O. Dot com.
Republicans Add Funding for New FBI Headquarters to Pandemic Relief Package. Just Dont Expect Them to Vote For It
"Republicans add funding for new FBI headquarters to pandemic relief package. Just don't expect them to vote for it by Philip Elliott. Back in March Republicans summoned all of their outrage when Democrats tried to attach money for voter protection, airline, air quality standards, and clean energy incentives to Congress's most recent corona relief package. Now, four months later, the same Republicans are sheepishly trying to tack on almost one point eight, billion dollars for a new FBI headquarters in the follow up piece of legislation. The first two point two, trillion, dollar corona virus relief package was extravagant but widely deemed necessary including an unprecedented small business bailout a lifeline for the airlines and generous unemployment benefits that saw many workers actually increase their take home pay after losing their jobs. The second round is shaping up along similar lines though some fiscal conservatives in the Senate are showing signs of balking a rare defiance of Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell. But the inclusion of one point seven, five billion dollars to spend on the new FBI headquarters buried one hundred eight short words on pages, eleven, and twelve of the appropriations committee piece of the offer rankled Republicans up and down the leadership ladder when it was included in the draft of the relief plan released on Monday at first it seemed McConnell was not aware that the draft legislation included the new headquarters for the nation's top investigators when I questioned about it by reporters, McConnell denied it when corrected the Dry Kentucky and only told his audience to look for answers at the White House you'll have to ask them why they insisted that be included he said. The timing could not be clunky or for a Republican Party at risk of losing its majority in the Senate as President Donald Trump's reelection grows shakier. While all GOP lawmakers with the exception of Mitt Romney found ways to excuse trump's behavior that led to his impeachment in the House and acquittal in the Senate back in January, the ground has now shifted. A number of vulnerable senators have started to distance themselves from trump as his approval ratings have tumbled with the arrival of the pandemic. The Justice Department is now more than a year into its own internal investigation into why trump scrapped well laid out plans in two thousand eighteen to move the falling. Apart F.. B. I. Headquarters from downtown DC to the suburbs amid speculation that the current plot of land could be ripe for redevelopment as a hotel. Lost on. No one is the fact that trump's own DC hotel is across the street from the current headquarters and may refer to keep feds and not rivals as neighbors. So bold was the attempt to squeeze a replacement for the dilapidated FBI HQ into the draft bill that the chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee could only respond gruffly as to why the spending was included. Good question senator. Richard Shelby. told reporters on Monday at the Capitol never mind that it was his committee staff that included the terse spending provisions in the proposal, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee that has oversight of the F.. B.. I.. EQUALLY READY TO BOOT new headquarters from the proposed legislation, it makes no sense to me Senator Lindsey Graham said on Tuesday with a fractured caucus like this. It's little wonder McConnell is looking around with weariness. There is little optimism that anyone will draw plans for new FBI headquarters based on the legislation being passed around the capital right now but because trump demanded it senate republicans have to at least pretend they're considering it and to take the lumps that come with looking like hypocrites on wishlist add ons.
Speed kills in the Legislature
"Hello everyone, and welcome to consumer watchdog trade for just our weekly conversation about the current issues where exposing confronting and changing. I'm your host Carmen Balbir Executive Director of consumer watchdog, and this week We're GONNA talk about insurance and democracy because the legislature is going through. An unprecedented time dealing with the COVID pandemic but it has wreaked havoc with the Democrat democratic process in. Sacramento. So we wanted to talk about that specifically in connection with the bill, we've been telling you about that would regulate homeowners insurance in California AB twenty, one, sixty, seven, which was heard this week in the Senate Insurance Committee still, let me bring in. Our to folks who are on the scene. On the scene remotely I guess I have to say for that hearing on on Tuesday we have gusts today our in house Sacramento, Council Mike Medic and Harvey Rosenfield. Founder consumer watchdog welcome guys. Kerman. Good to talk to you so. Harvey testified If you can call it that, and we'll tell you a little bit more in a second. In opposition to eighty twenty, one, sixty, seven in the Senate. Insurance. Committee on. Tuesday. and. Maybe I'll just preface this with asking Mike. What the what the situation is in the Senate right now, how they? How they're dealing with the pandemic in this last in this last month obsession. Carmen, they're scrambling, they're trying to figure out a method to hear the five hundred plus bills that the assembly sent over to him after both houses agreed. that. They would appear back there measures under the covert crisis here. So they they knowing they cannot give these measures. The attention they need. They wanted to focus on the really important stuff like how to make sure people have enough money to survive during this crisis. And the Senate and the Assembly are pretty much at war with each other over this type of conduct So at the Gecko, a usually smooth operation moving towards the end of the year and a hundred one degrees. Beautiful. August month is now. Now stressed under the problems between members of both houses trying to make sure their bills are not held hostage or disappear because of some retaliate taliation from one house to another over some political slight, and the problem is now that because you're not hearing having the proper amount of. Hearings the Appropriations Committee on the Senate is not going to be acting as both a policy committee and a fiscal committee, and it's really putting the stress on Bob if you were on that appropriations committee. So the temperatures are high as almost as high as the temperature, and it's not conducive for good government at all. So the upshot of all of this is that. Senate policy hearings have been dramatically limited and. It's compounded by the fact that no one is being encouraged to go to the legislature at all, and frankly who wants to get on an airplane to fly up to Sacramento. and expose themselves to whoever might be wandering around the capital right now, when we're all being told to shelter in place. So the Senate has also got a system setup that is faulty to the extreme. For remote testimony by telephone So let's let's just dive right into this hearing which was. One of. Two, bills that the Senate Insurance Committee was hearing. On the afternoon of of on Tuesday afternoon this week. Two bills that they had to hear any substantive argument on and Harvey was scheduled to testify. So maybe, Harvey, just. Tell us about what happened. Well. Let me just stop and. Remind. Everybody. What the bill is that we've been fighting up there in. SACRAMENTO while the while the rest of us were sheltering in place for the last four or five months. Insurance lobbyists decided to take advantage of you, and Mike were just talking about him in pandemic conditions and proposed a bill that would repeal the protections against price-gouging that the voters of California put in place thirty years ago when they passed proposition one, three that the bill is a b twenty, one, sixty, seven, and. If it passes, people's rates are for homeowners and renters. Insurance will go up forty to fifty percent so. The bill came before the Senate Insurance Committee on Tuesday of this week and We were told you both know we're told that we would have about four minutes to debate to discuss explain why the bill is a bad idea bad for consumers are four minutes is not a lengthy period of time by any stretch of the imagination. But that's one of the things that the procedures that they've put in places limiting by the time that people can talk because they have so many bills and so few opportunities to have hearings because they're working remotely many of them. So when when the bill came up the author of the bill and assembly member from orange, county, chairs the assembly. Insurance. Committee is carrying the insurance industry's legislation stood up and spoke for a few minutes and And then it came to be our turn and I was all prepared to go when the chair of the Senate Insurance Committee, a Susan Rubio who is based in Los Angeles said, you cut me off after about sixteen seconds? As I got like my name and she said I'm giving you fifteen seconds and so I really off five reasons why the the bill is so bad and then she cut me off. Well, I've been to be precise. Allow. Five reasons. The bill was so bad. You manage to reel off the introduction to one before she century. Okay. I, I. Don't I have. I have my memory of that moment was is bleak. Just just. I just tried to I. Just tried to summarizes best I could what was really wrong with the bill and and yeah, and and then suddenly the the microphone was turned off as it were. You know and I just you know watching this situation, it was just so shocking to me that it was so badly handled because one of two things was happening either they are completely incompetent. which is possible or it was intentional or the whole scenario was set up to limit the public's input. Into this dramatic policy change that would mean such massive. Pocketbook. Impact on California homeowners so. You know the the the simple fact that they couldn't figure out how to provide a few extra minutes of testimony from the public eye with just it was shocking to me. Yeah. especially since the. Insurance Industry got about five minutes and then when the members of the Senate asked questions. I was no longer able to answer them and the questions were ended up being answered in part by. A An assembly staff staffer who is paid by the taxpayers. But sounded like he worked for the insurance industry and he gave completely misleading answers, which was, I don't know how you guys felt about it, but it was just infuriating to listen to that person misrepresent what the bill does. Answer their questions incorrectly and and the question happened to be, Hey, is it okay for the legislature to overturn the will of the people as expressed by a ballot initiative? Now, the correct answer is it's not okay. The Concept Constitution protects us here in California when we have to go to the ballot box because the legislature. Won't do it has to be done as the voters did back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight with proposition. One, zero three. The constitution says the legislature has cannot just. With. The initiative after the voters pass it, but he kind of implied that it wasn't clear whether they could or couldn't. So it was a it was. You know there were ten or fifteen minutes. I think altogether of testimony on behalf of the of this bill to raise people's premiums by the industry and its allies in the in the Senate and. But sixteen seconds from consumer watchdog. So you had the extreme patients or presence of mind to call back into that phone line and ask for some more time in the. Chair of the committee graciously gave you another fifteen seconds, which was just which was laughable to me and the thing that really really shown about their failure to be interested in the input of. The author of proposition one or three, which would be harvey. It's if we haven't reminded you of that already. Is that they were getting as you said, completely inaccurate information. So another example I think that's really important. Is senator, Ross who used to chair this committee at his anymore, but he's still sits on, it s a really simple question of the author which was, hey, how long is it going to take this bill to go into effect? One is a the average California homeowner GonNa, feel the impacts of this spill and he was asking because he wanted to know why it was so urgent that the legislature not give proper consideration. To this legislation, you know in the white white had to pass this month versus waiting until the beginning of the next legislative session one. Perhaps, they could give it adequate consideration and the bill's author and his. Committee staffers woke couldn't answer that question. But there's a simple answer, right? Course series irs, there's no urgency of the insurance. The urgency is coming from the insurance lobby wants to get this bill passed before the public figures out what's going on up there in Sacramento the last time this happened was the people remember when the legislature quickly deregulated electrcity rates like in a matter of weeks with a massive piece of legislation, and then about a year and a half later after that law took effect. People, utility bills electricity bills went through the roof. And and the lead, and so the church industry and its many allies who received I think we calculated over thirty million dollars in campaign contributions from the industry over the last eleven years, the industry and its allies are very much in a hurry to get this bill through before anybody can figure out what's going on, and then we the consumers. We the people will have to pick up the TAB and they will go on to get more donations from insurance companies. So every Mike. You are. Ours are Sacramento Council now. But. You lobbied for the Insurance Industry for many years and he worked in the building for many more years. Have you ever seen the legislature? Circumvent public input and refused to hear public comment the way that this hearing and I know other hearings are going down this year. You know I never have after all the years having been a on the staff of a couple governors, a number of senators, pro tem, president, Pro Tem, John Burton, and then the chief consultant in the assembly. Sure Committee. I have never seen that the legislature op legislature operates why. There's two hallmarks of the California legislature. Historically, the first thing that every bill gets a full and fair hearing. The first thing that didn't happen in this situation. The second thing is that the legislative staff who these members have to rely on to analyze and understand and give them proper truthful. Correct Information that trust was completely shattered in this in this hearing when a staff person from the assembly was asked to come over into the Senate and explain to a Senate. Committee staff by Senate consultant WHO BY THE WAY? This was his first committee hearing because the principal consultant had left to become the clerk of the assembly. And then provide absolutely incorrect information. Basically being the lobbyists for these industry and carrying their water for them, and it's just a disingenuous scenario. I just could not imagine say somebody like John Birt, calling me up and say, Hey, Mike, why don't you come over here and lie to us? So that's kind of what we were looking at there and I felt terrible because not only bad for our this bill which is going to. To raise premiums immediately for Californians, a minimum of about forty percent, but it destroys confidence in democracy right now, California's supposed to be you know that the remaining shining city on the hill, especially, what's going on Washington? So this was I mean, it's really not only terrible. It's just of depressing me to watch happen and see see how things are are actually functioning or dysfunctioning in the capital today. And I. Mean This was not. Unfortunately, the only instance I have heard of when. The public waited patiently in line on that telephone line, and somehow the Senate couldn't manage to hear them and in this circumstance when we're not talking about legislation that will put money in Californians pocketbooks tomorrow. In fact, it would strip that money from them years down the road when it finally gets litigated it's just really embarrassing shocking and shouldn't happen that they are rushing through this. Poorly Baked ill-thought-out proposal So at thanks guys for running through a what happened in that committee hearing this week or anything else that that POPs to mind that you just throw into the throw into the mix. I guess I would just say Carmen that for those of our listeners and supporters who have an extra couple of grand to spend on a home renter's insurance over the next year. Don't worry about this. But for everybody else who who feels like things are a little tight right now and can't afford to allow the insurance companies to engage in price gouging or even people who are just offended by the notion that the insurance industry can get together with their elected officials and overturn the will of the people when the voters. Address this tissue thirty years ago. Maybe you WanNa pick up the phone or send an email to your elected representative and say, Hey, what are you doing? While that does it an easy way for folks to do that to reach out to their lawmakers. Particularly on this spell is just to go to our website consumer watchdog dot org where you'll be able to click on a take action link. And let your senators know what you think about. This homeowners insurance travesty. Let's making its way and and and rapid form through the Senate right now. Thanks everyone again, and as always listening. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast on Itunes Stitcher soundcloud or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carmen Boulder and we'll talk again next week the rage for justice.
Weekly Update --- How Congress and the Federal Reserve Stole Christmas
"Hello thank you for tuning into the weekly report. How Congress and the Federal Reserve's go Christmas the bickering Over impeachment did not stop the President and Congress from coming together last week to avert a government shutdown by passing a one point four trillion dollar spending package. The bipartisan agreement has something for everyone they twenty. Two billion dollar increase to bring total spending on militarism to seven hundred thirty eight billion dollars and a twenty seven billion dollar increase to bring total spending on domestic programs to six hundred thirty two billion dollars. It also imposes a national ban on selling tobacco products concluding each cigarettes. Anyone under twenty one. The agreement was split into two bills. Both bills were unveiled last Monday afternoon. The bills passed the House on Tuesday. So only the House leadership and the members of the Appropriations Committee and their staff who helped write the over over two thousand pages deal had any idea what was in the bills by most members voted for the spending bills because they were fearful away backlash backlash over another Christmas time. Government Shutdown House leadership simply waived the rule for requiring that all legislation be available at least three days before being voted on the modern practice of funding. The government the gigantic. On the best bills that are rush into law puts the growth of government on autopilot. This practice also gives the president more influence over the budget violating violating the spirit. If not the letter of the constitutions grant of authority to Congress to appropriate bonds which was intended as a check on `executive power. Meanwhile the Federal Reserve Continues Pumping billions into the repurchasing market when the Fed began injecting money into the repo market in September. It said intervention was a temporary measure to address a short term liquidity shortage three months later the NFL is not only continuing to bail out the repurchasing market. It is preparing for other bailout. This is further evidence that that we are on the verge of another sad created economic crisis when the crisis hits the best thing that could do is not to lower interest rates below the level set by the market this would allow consumers businesses and governments to in liquidate their debt and am restore a sound foundation for future growth. If the Fed did not interfere with the painful but necessary correction it would only be short time before or a real economic boom commenced. The Federal Reserve is unlikely to follow this path. Because of the short term pain it would cause debt ridden consumers and more importantly the paying it would cause politicians would be forced to cut spending and or raise taxes but continuing to artificially lower interest rates will inevitably result in an economic crisis brought about by a rejection of the dollars world reserve currency status the Federal Reserve manipulation of the interest rates depreciates the dollar's value neighboring the growth of the welfare warfare state well and reaching the insiders who received a new money before prices rise the parental dollar depreciation felt by middle and working class. Americans who's paychecks. Do not keep up with the rising cost of living. Inflation is nothing more than a hidden and regressive tax auditing and ending the Fed Should thus be a top priority of those concern about rising income inequality and poverty as well as those dreaming of Christmas. Free Two thousand page on the spending bills. Thanks for listening.
Tuesday, December 17th, 2019
"Hey It's Rachel Martin and you know what the news environment right now is full of people telling you what to think or what information is important for you to absorb job up. I cut through all of that noise. We are here to get you up to speed on the stories that really matter every single day so that you you have a better understanding of your place in all of it up I made possible by your NPR station. So we ask that you support them before the year ends and you can do that right now by going to donate dot. NPR DOT ORG slash up. I think's the crisis. Deepens for an aerospace giant Boeing says it suspending production of. It's seven thirty seven. Max Passenger jets the type involved in fatal crashes this year and last how will this move affect the economy emme overall. I'm Steve Inskeep with David Green and this is up I from NPR news impeachment is not all congress is doing. The the appropriations committee is charged with one of Congress's most awesome responsibilities the power of the purse. So we'll look at what's in the wide ranging one point three trillion dollar spending deal which was reached after months of stalled negotiations and the latest on Oxycontin maker. Purdue Pharma why did its owners the sackler family take more than ten billion dollars out of the company as legal. Pressures were mounting. Stay with us. We have the news you need to start your day support for this podcast and the following message come from the capital one Walmart rewards card earned five percent back at Walmart online and to present percent at Walmart in store restaurants and travel the capital one Walmart rewards card. What's in your wallet? Terms and exclusions apply Boeing says it will temporarily Emperor Alie suspend production of its troubled seven. Thirty seven Max passenger jet beginning next month. Yeah all the Max. Series aircraft have been grounded for the past nine months is that already happened. Following two crashes that killed three hundred forty six people in Indonesia and Ethiopia. And let's bring in David Schaper in Chicago. Who's been following this story? Either David David morning. So what's the reason. Behind Boeing's decision here well Boeing was facing a couple of hard realities. I is at the Federal Aviation Administration. An agency once accused of of of being too cozy with Boeing is now sternly warning Boeing Co two Stop with the unrealistic expectations for when this plane could be allowed back into service. The agency agency safety experts will be taking all the time that they need to get their evaluation and analysis on right and the FAA's had says he won't be rushed into making a decision. And I'm hearing that that that means that the plane will likely remain grounded until at least February or March. The second hard reality is at Boeing's been burning through cash at a rate of according to some estimates about two billion dollars a month. The company did slow production a bit back in April reducing the number of planes produced from fifty two a month to forty two but it now has about four hundred. The Finnish jets just sitting in storage cannot deliver them to customers to get final payment. Richard Appalachia is an aerospace industry analyst for the Teal Group. It's been really painful. Full for Boeing. They've been maintaining production and not bringing in revenue. This is very painful from a balance sheet perspective. Okay painful for the company Anthony. What about the people who worked for the company? I mean the seven thirty seven Max is built at a plant outside Seattle. They're like twelve thousand employees working there. Are they going to be laid off. Furloughed what's GonNa GonNa Happen. Well Boeing says no at this point to the company says it doesn't expect any layoffs for for workers at this time anyway. The statement announcing the decision to suspend production says the company plans to have the affected workers continue 737 related worker be temporarily assigned the other plants in the area but there is still a fair amount of anxiety eighty in and around the plant. We had Ashley Gross of our member station K. and K. X.. Ask around about the impact and chief talk to Veronica. Medina who with her family owns a Mexican restaurant called called Toreros at a strip mall called the landing across the street from the huge 737 plantain. Renton well obviously being right here at the landing it's very significant. We get a lot of lence crowds. We get Renton in general very dependent on Boeing's well-being Medina says that even if Boeing employees aren't laid off if they aren't doing in and out out of that factory across the street her business may suffer but David I mean the reality here that there can be a ripple effect in the economy from decision like there's a whole supply chain that feeds the production action of the Boeing seven. Thirty seven. Max Right I mean could this have a big economic impact overall. Yeah this is. This is where the the shutdown could be felt more deeply. And it won't be so much in Seattle Seattle. But in places like Wichita Kansas where Boeing supplier spirit. aerosystems makes the fuselage and other parts for the seven thirty seven Max in Evansdale Ohio or CFM international national makes the engines for the planes. There are hundreds of companies that supply parts to the seven. Thirty seven and Boeing may do something to help soften the blow for them a little bit but those companies still may be forced to lay off workers here again is Richard Ab Lafayette. The Teal Group. It depends how long it lasts if we're talking about Justin g weeks circa or a month or two. It's not the end of the world. This is three months stoppage or conceivably even longer. Yeah the broader economy with very definitely feel some taint a lot of questions about timing here knew this could go like February march or does anyone or even longer it all depends on when the plane is recertified by the FAA and the FAA wants to work work with its counterparts around the world to time the the putting the plane back into service. I dig decision from Boeing and a reporting this morning for my parents. David David David. Thanks my pleasure. So there's border security funding. There is research to address gun violence a three point one percent pay raise for people serving in the military and for federal workers. These are just a few of the items that make up this massive one point three trillion dollar spending package that Congress has agreed to lawmakers release details of the deal yesterday and are expected to vote on it today in the House both Democrats and Republicans are claiming victory after months of stalled negotiations and we have NPR congressional correspondent Kelsey Snell in Washington. DC Studio. He Kelsey Good Morning. Okay so impeachment. Impeachment seems to be dominating lot of what's happening in Congress But but this bill that they agree to is really important. It's actually a two bills. It's too huge packages his and it's the result of months of work. It's based on spending deal that you may remember that they struck way back in July and this is actually kind of a really big deal because it would fund the government government through the end of September next year. You know. It is one of Congress's core responsibilities to do this but if you'll remember they kind of have trouble with it year after year here here. This is more than a thousand pages and they're going through it really really quickly but if you talk to the Appropriations Committee Chairman Nita Lowey. She's kind of taking this all in the typical suspending negotiator stride of saying. It's just their job. The Appropriations Committee is charged with one of Congress's most awesome responsibilities the the power of the purse. I'm proud that we have used that power to make investments that will give every American a better chance at a better life life now. It's important to remember that the House and Senate still have to pass this and that's not always been easy in the past but I'm assured that both sides that they will be able to get it done and this was negotiated Goshi with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and people in Congress. Tell me they believe they have. The White House is blessed. Okay but there there have been moments of surprise at the last minute moments like this in recent recent years but for the moment at least I mean you have both parties declaring victory. So let's talk that through. Let's start with Democrats. Well what are they happy about in this. Well actually. I think it's important to look at some of these. Bipartisan artisan things. One of which is raising the The age for buying tobacco to twenty one and that was negotiated by Democrats and Republicans including Senate Majority Leader. Mitch McConnell and Dick Durbin urban were the top Democrats in the Senate And they're also repealing. Three taxes meant to support obamacare but had been widely panned by both parties. Democrats though are getting being Funding Twenty five million dollars for gun violence research. And they're saying that this is the first time in twenty years that's happened and they're also getting four hundred twenty five million dollars in election security curate. And a big boost in funding for the EPA an opioid response now what Republicans most excited about Republicans are celebrating the fact that they got one point three seven five billion dollars dollars for a border fence funding. That is pretty much even with the amount of money that they have right now. Plus they get the flexibility to move money around for detention beds for a surge and and then we've got another important vote this week. That's an annual defense authorization. Bill which is going to the Senate. What's happening there? Yeah this is a really big bill again. Really massive thousands of pages and it has a major policy initiatives including twelve weeks of paid parental leave. which is not necessarily something? You'd expect to see a defense bill but it's something that both sides are really excited sighted about okay. NPR Congressional correspondent. Kelsey Snell covering a lot for us. Thank you Kelsey Pat. Yeah so we're learning more this morning about profits earned by the sackler family. From the sale of Oxycontin that's the controversial opioid drug marketed by their privately. Owned Company Purdue Pharma. The company filed for bankruptcy earlier. This year as we've been reporting but before bankruptcy the sackler withdrew more than twelve billion dollars into their personal accounts and let's bring in north country. Public Radio's Brian. Man Who follows opioid litigation for NPR. Heater Brian Morning. David David so it looks like Oxycontin made. The sackler is very very rich. remind US just the context. You're wise that so controversial. Well it happened at a time time. When a lot of Americans were dying as the prescription opioid epidemic was going viral across the United States ravaging communities the company of course this faces thousands of civil lawsuits tied to its alleged role spring this addiction crisis legal blowback so big at force the company into this bankruptcy but as you said the sackler had already pocketed billions of dollars in in the end? A lot of that money may not ever be forfeited as part of any settlement. And what's new. Here's some details that we're learning being from a new audit of the company. So what exactly is this. Yeah the data submitted to the bankruptcy court on Monday shows that in all members of the family withdrew roughly twelve point a two billion dollars from their company and a review by the New York. Times found that this really accelerated the soccer's began pulling more and more cash out of the company beginning in two thousand eight hundreds hundreds of millions of dollars every year some of that went to pay taxes but it also went into their personal trusts and and this particular scrutiny David some of it went into offshore accounts counts okay so so they have all this money. It seems the family has offered to pay something. Like three billion dollars of this personal wealth to settle the OPIOID claims against Purdue Pharma but state attorneys general. Saying that's simply not enough is every. Yeah that is right. The sackler have consistently denied any wrongdoing. Doing but they have offered this bankruptcy deal that would mean them paying out billions of dollars of their cash and giving up control of proof armor as part of that. They've asked the bankruptcy court. To essentially actually halt all personal lawsuits against them they would be out of the OPIOID business but still one of the richest families in the country because of Oxycontin and a coalition of states are. You're pushing back there. Saying that the sackler should I give a full accounting of all their personal holdings even stuff that's offshore in foreign accounts and those attorneys general claw back more of that cash and this audit is adding fuel to that argument. To New York's Attorney General Letitia. James issued a statement last night demanding more for detailed financial records. She said she wants full. Transparency into their total assets. Okay and on its face. This doesn't look very good either. You have this other part of the bankruptcy process Purdue Pharma decision to pay out these big bonuses to executives in the company. I mean wh what is the court saying. They don't allow that to happen. They are judged. Robert Drain agreed earlier. This month to let the company pay roughly thirty five million dollars in bonuses this year to employees the argument from Purdue Pharma that the court accepted is that key staff staff. You know people in the company needed to keep the firm operating during this turbulent time. Those folks just won't stay on if they're not well compensated but of course David David dot money. That's being paid out is money will never be paid to victims or two communities Brian Man covers opioid litigation for NPR. Brian we appreciate it as always. Thanks a lot. You Bet That I for Tuesday December seventeenth. I'm David and I'm Steve. INSKEEP join us here tomorrow subscribed to US wherever you listen to podcasts. And don't forget to rate and review us on Apple podcast and we appreciate you waking up with us here at NPR your your NPR station makes up I possible each and every morning you can support them and support us by going to donate dot. NPR DOT ORG slash up. 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Friday, March 6, 2020
"From Washington DC. This is Westwood One Daily News for March. Sixth Twenty twenty. I'm John Trout the US death toll from corona virus has reached fourteen. The Senate has passed a major funding package to cover the national response to Kovic Nineteen correspondent. Linda Kenyon has the story the as our ninety six the Naser won the sixty vote threshold having been achieved. The bill is passed came just one day after the House passed the funding bill. It's a product of bipartisan bicameral cooperation. And it comes in the face of what has become a growing global health crisis American people I believe expect us here in the US Senate to set aside politics and set into motion a swift and a sweep in response to this danger. That senator Richard Shelby the Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee senator. Patrick layhee is the top Democrat on that committee. The American people looking for leadership. They want assurance their government is up to the task of protecting the health and safety. Senator Shelby says that's exactly what the Senate and the House have done. This emergency supplemental provides eight point three billion dollars in resources to attack the crisis at the local the state federal and international levels. Here's where some of the money will go the package that we introduced includes seven point eight billion in discretionary appropriations for the centers but the disease control the National Institutes of Health the Food and Drug Administration the State Department. Usa ID and the Small Business Administration. It's a plan says shelby that helps meet the challenges created by the corona virus. It's an aggressive plan. A vigorous plan that has received overwhelming positive reaction in the house and in the marketplace just prior to the vote are urged my colleagues to vote. Yes and demonstrate to the American people that we here in the Senate are unified and have their back on this crisis. The only senator to vote no was Republican Senator Rand Paul who was seeking to offset the cost of the emergency spending by using money from foreign aid accounts. The bill now goes to president trump for his signature Linda. Kenyon Washington relief is beginning to pour into middle Tennessee after a string of tornadoes ripped through the region killing at least twenty. Four people correspondent Clayton Neville says exhaustion is setting in for many residents as they try and recover the scope of the storm massive spreading across four counties. One of the hardest hit areas Putnam county where Mayor Randy Porter says crews have been sorting to rubble for days. Everyone's tired and we're just But they're working off a Gremlin right now. According to the Mayor Search and rescue efforts are over rest. The operation will be searching recovery as we work through all the debris and we hope we don't find anything else. In the city of Cookeville Puerto says the destruction is widespread. Estimating that there was about twenty homes that were just totally destroyed absolutely. There's nothing left of them. Then we got over three hundred that were damaged in some way shape or form walking the rural roads. It's a catastrophic site. Roofs torn from home. Scores thrown across driveways an empty spaces. Where houses once stood this resident. Says he's heard one survival story after another about some light ease ban sucked into the basements or like the beds being pulled into another room and this teenager thankful her best friend survived. She told me it was like the most terrible thing she's ever witness and she had to dig afraid and his mom out of their house but the volunteer state living up to its name gazing at pure destruction. You'll see four wheelers packed with supplies and locals doing what they can to help our. We've been cutting trees and delivering food and drinks to everybody. It's work over five hundred people help and bring in food just from all over the place in showing their love and support you. We'RE GOING TO GO CHECK OUT SOME HOT DINNER TO PEOPLE. That don't have power and electricity. We went this morning and gave them some breakfast. You really don't ever know how much your community is caring and loving until something like this happen more help on the way. The White House says President. Trump's approved federal disaster money for affected areas and the president will visit the region today. Nashville mayor. John Cooper believes it's best for the president to see the damage firsthand their help with financial resources finally in rebuilding the community. A long way to go. But Middleton is see isn't it alone Clayton Neville Nashville Congresswoman Tulsi. Gabbard is still in but those wishing to see a woman. President lost a chance yesterday when Elizabeth Warren called it quits in her bid for the White House that pits Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders as the two main candidates left on the democratic side. Bob Costantini has that story. It was perhaps simply a question of wind. Senator Elizabeth Warren would end her bid for the Democratic nomination and after telling Stanford. She spoke with reporters. But I guarantee I will stay in the fight for the hardworking folks across this country have gotten short end of the stick over. Warren's poor Super Tuesday showing left her with just sixty one delegates total while Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders rose to the top of the battle. Warren and Sanders vied for the same hard progressive voters but clashed over. Whose idea of Medicare for all was better. The main question was whether she would endorse either man not today space around us and want to take a little time to think a little more. Elizabeth. Warren entered the presidential contest in February of last year. A few days before Bernie Sanders officially announced but he had never really stopped running after two thousand. Sixteen stringing along his hardcore followers so they sought the same base one that sanders. Actually Commended Still Warren in Sanders suffered a bit by trying to outdo each other on medicare for all with its large price tag in her Cambridge driveway with husband. Bruce Mann Warren. The question of whether there is sexism in presidential politics and I wonder what would be the women and girls who feel like we're left with two white men I know and all those little girls who we're going to have to wait four more years. It leaves Speaker Nancy. Pelosi to hope some day the US will be willing to elect a woman as president. Still she knows. It's an uphill battle changing political patterns of centuries. There's a certain element misogyny that is that is there and some of it isn't really mean spirited. It's just isn't there. Experience President trump using nicknames in his reaction on twitter. Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren. Who was going. Nowhere except into mini. Mike's head just dropped out of the Democrat primary three days too late she caused crazy Bernie at least Massachusetts Minnesota in Texas probably cost him. The nomination came in third in mass. Bob Costantini Washington. But it's not just passengers that have to be concerned. Flight attendants are trying to ward off viruses. As we learned from Bill Michaels v Association of Flight Attendants Union is calling for an exception for airlines to be able to mount full-sized hand sanitizer in the Galley area. And your lavatories of airplanes union president Sir Nelson Says Hand. Sanitizer is at the top of the list of recommendations. The Union is made to address the corona virus crisis for the airline Industry Nelson says that adding hand sanitizer two flights is not that simple because the department of transportation must approve large quantities of liquids and Gels on Commercial Flights Bill Michaels Washington Westwood One Daily News for March. Six twenty twenty. I'm John Trout.
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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jeanine herbst or is about. The Corona virus had investors on Wall Street pulling back again today. The Dow dropped sharply by the closed down almost twelve points. That's a loss of nearly four and a half percent. This is the corona virus spreads. The Netherland has reported its first case and in Saudi Arabia. Officials closed the holiest sites in Islam to foreign pilgrims to major disruption for thousands of Muslims. Already headed to the kingdom for the hajj pilgrimage. Meanwhile vice-president Mike Pence says the State Department's Global AIDS coordinator will coordinate the US response to the spread of the virus. Debbie Bergh's now takes on Krona virus duties as well this is the Senate continues considers rather how much emergency funding needed to combat. The spread of the virus. Senate Majority Leader Mitch. Mcconnell says he expects the Senate take up this issue in the next two weeks as NPR's cloudy equity sell this reports. Mcconnell says the Republican and Democratic leaders of the Senate Appropriations Committee are working on a plan to address the corona virus outbreak. Mcconnell suggested the Senate should take up. The bipartisan plan in the coming two weeks to committee will carefully consider the right Psalm to appropriate at this time. To ensure our nation needs are fully funded the trump administration last requested two point five billion dollars to address the spreading illness but the president and others now concede. They may need much more president. Trump now says he's open to whatever funding plans Congress proposes cloudy selves. Npr News the Capitol. Meanwhile House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Democrats are also ready to work together on funding. We stand ready to work in a bipartisan fashion. In Congress and with the administration to achieve the necessary goal and Pelosi says she wants leaders to make sure that any vaccines created. We'll be affordable and that state and local governments will be reimbursed. The Secretary of Veterans Affairs is denying charges. He mishandled a sexual assault claim on the premises. Npr's quil Lawrence reports that the inspector general is investigating last year. A democratic staffer and Navy Veteran Andrea. Goldstein says she was pushed against a wall and groped by a man the VA medical center in Washington an investigation by the Va. Inspector General did not find enough evidence to bring a criminal case but va secretary. Robert Wilkie wet further criticizing Goldstein for making unsubstantiated allegations Democratic lawmakers. Want to know if we'll try to dig up dirt on Goldstein to discredit her. Which Wilkie vehemently denies now the as inspector general has opened an inquiry into his handling of the affair even as he agreed to attend a hearing on the issue of sexual assault on. Va premises quil Lawrence. Npr News and again on Wall Street down lower today the Dow Down One thousand one hundred ninety points to end at twenty five thousand seven hundred sixty six. That's down four point four percent. The Nasdaq down. Four hundred fourteen points. Yesterday five hundred down one hundred thirty seven this is NPR. Tennessee could soon become the latest date to let gun owners carry in public without needing to go through training or get a permit. Chaz Sisk with member station W. P. L. N. reports. The State's Republican governor introduced the proposal today previous efforts to do away with gun. Permits have stalled in the Tennessee legislature even with Republicans firmly in control law enforcement has been a big reason. They've said people are safer if gun owners have to go through classes and show competency before carrying in public but Tennessee governor. Billy says such requirements. Get in the way of people's rights. Crackdown ON CRIME. But penalizing low viruses. The proposal would toughen sentences for stealing or illegally possessing a gun. Lee says that's in response to a spike in gun. Thefts from vehicles. Many people attribute that rise to a series of laws passed by the Tennessee legislature beginning about a decade ago. Those laws made it easier to carry guns in cars for NPR news. I'm Chas Cisco in Nashville Former Baltimore Mayor. Catherine Hughes has been sentenced to three years in prison after pleading guilty to tax evasion and federal conspiracy. She was convicted of double selling herself published book. Healthy Holly to nonprofit organizations prosecutors. Say she didn't deliver the books but kept the money to fund her reelection campaign and buy a house. The sixty nine year old was elected in two thousand sixteen and resigned under pressure. Last May crude oil prices also lowered by the bell today down nearly five percent of two dollars thirty nine cents to end at forty six dollars. Thirty four cents a barrel in the New York Mercantile Exchange. I'm Jeanine herbst and you're listening to. Npr news from Washington.
Legislative updates with Sen Curtis Hertel Jr, former Congressman Mike Rogers on the role of Intelligence
"Sadly but with confidence and humility was allegiance to our founders and heart full of love for America. Today I'm asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment. I commend our committee chairs in our members or their somber approach to actions which I wish the president had not made necessary. The holiday holiday season is normally pretty quiet politically. But this isn't your normal holiday season in Washington. The president of the United States is about to be impeached in Lansing. We're finally on the verge of completing the state budget and across America. Republicans are continuing an assault on people in need. This is the Michigan pollock ass. Where all about Michigan Politics and state policy policy and the national issues impacting our peninsula's? I'm Walser Org. I'm an acre heart and while the spotlight has been an impeachment Republicans in Lansing and in Washington are attacking the most vulnerable in our society doing their best to take away health care and food from hundreds of thousands of people from Christine Bury. It appears. There's that Senate majority leader has finally come to the realization that the state needs a budget adopted. We'll talk with the ranking Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. Senator Curtis Artists Hertel junior about the outlines of the agreements. And how this week will play out. And we'll also be talking with the former Republican chairman of the house. Intelligence Committee former mid Michigan Congressman. Mike Rogers about how politics is increasingly creeping into national security. I'd like to start the ladies of I could with a bit of sound. That pretty much sums up the last few weeks in government and it comes from Hillary Clinton. She was interviewed by Howard Stern about her most uncomfortable. Participation in Donald Trump's inauguration ceremonies. He's a president is supposed to try to reach out to people who weren't for wrote him or her. You're supposed to say okay. I'm going to be the president of everyone those who supported me and those who didn't because we're going to pull the country together. I'd hope that I would hear a little of that. I didn't hear any of that. And then that carnage in the street and the Dark Hark dystopia envision. I was sitting there like just wow couldn't believe in shorts w Bush says to me. That was some weird shit. Oh a man. It's been week after week of Weird Shit but most of the news has been about impeachment but as we indicated at the top Republicans Lukens have also been quietly working to screw for people on two fronts Republicans believe that being poor is choice and if you punish the poor enough they'll decide decide to stop being poor and amy. You have been looking into the efforts to take away. Healthcare from thousands in Michigan. What's going on their Medicaid? Known EH healthy. Michigan covers over a half million michiganders' under the Snyder Administration Republican lawmakers an exemption from federal law and so they could impose housing work requirement on Medicaid recipients. Michigan is one of nine states with this type of law. Five of those states have active lawsuits challenging the requirements Federal Courts have already put the Stop to three of these laws. In three states trump administration appealed to the DC circuit and completely fumbled rural argument and that state level arguments essentially assert that the waiver granted by the trump administration allowing these laws lax legal basis in both the spirit and the letter of the Medicaid Law. Insure its Republican. Political ploy grounded in cruelty to those most in need by way of example. Arkansas made its most vulnerable citizens. Guinea pigs for their state law and soft bows unnecessarily. Lose healthcare Not because they weren't working on the majority. The of Medicaid beneficiaries are gainfully employed. The reason they lost coverage is because the Arkansas locked like Michigan's is intentionally designed to be so onerous for recipients that it's nearly impossible for them to keep up with the rigors monthly reporting requirements. They're being set up to fail to the amusement of GOP OPEC inexplicably the Michigan legislature is pushing for implementation of their multi-million dollar Dhakal law which goes into effect in just a few short weeks in January first. The roll out is fleecing taxpayers because the courts for surely kill the illegal game governor whitmire asked Michigan lawmakers makers last week to halt the work requirements as litigation is in progress. I can't help but wonder how many lawsuits will be filed against the state for wrongful death after with the courts fine. The law is illegal. Republican lawmakers rejected the delay implementation once again proving. They have very little interest in fiscal responsibility. They can have fun sticking it to the poor people. One caveat here is that if we elect a Democratic president in twenty twenty all of this cruelty goes away also okay. I'm just looking at the statement from the two Republican leaders in the legislature. kind of says it all. They said out of respect for those taxpayers. We're not willing to posner states new WHO Welfare work requirements. These work requirements are also the right thing to do for people who need short-term help getting a job is the best way to become self sufficient for a lifetime in escape poverty in other words. It's their own damn fault that they're poor now. In some cases people are gaming. The system no question about it but I refuse to accept the concept that most people are gaming the system that there's a reason why they're being poor and the would just as soon not be This is one of those issues that has a lot of hyperbole and incorrect language thrown about for example. If you follow the some of the more influential people on twitter and I don't mean celebrities but people like Lake Michigan Chamber of Commerce for example. Some of the news people have said things are they referred to this as welfare. Never Ending Welfare. Why should people get welfare without working for for it? You know. It really isn't welfare. It's just disingenuous. So either they. They don't understand it which is hard for me to believe. The Michigan Chamber of Commerce leadership doesn't know the difference between Medicaid and welfare. They they don't know the difference there deliberately disingenuous on the basis of their their their speaking speaking for taxpayers. Well we're all tax payers people who receive these benefits our taxpayers and just to make it worse they're also going F- for food for poor people. There's some new rules rules that are being put in. By the administration the National Administration on Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. The snap program. They could impact about one hundred. Eighty thousand michiganders' Sanders would lose their food assistance. What is so bizarre about this is the Congress debated this issue in these new rules and rejected them Debbie stabbing I was interviewed on MSNBC NBC after this went into effect as the ranking Democrat on the Agriculture Committee which is the committee? That handles the snap program shoes just incensed. Our analysis shows while they say seven hundred thousand. It's really close to a million people and what they are targeting. Our folks seasonal workers part time folks. Somebody goes out to the mall during the holidays and gets a job but then the job goes away in January or a waitress or waiter. That can't control their own wages or somebody in northern Michigan who is is working part time during the summer season. They are rejecting what we did in the farm belt on a bipartisan basis. We voted this policy down and there are forty seven of us with a lateral Lisa. Murkowski Myself Hussein letter to the saying. Don't do this and yet. They are pursuing seating. Anyway this reminds me of the old Ronald Reagan campaign stuff about the welfare queens and cadillacs and the people that would go through with food stamps and be buying lobster table stakes. It is just a meam designed to denigrate the poor and I find it pretty offensive. Last week ended it appeared that the budget stalemate lansing is finally coming to an end for the latest on the ongoing budget. Negotiations were joined by the senior Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee East. Lansing's Curtis Hertel junior senator. Tell it's suggested that we have a partial agreement on the budget. How far do you have to go until we have a complete budget for the fiscal year? That's already started. We'll completes interesting turmoil. You know I mean I think that the You know the budget's always in flux we. We usually have several supplementals throughout the year. Depending on the flow of cash to the state at the very least the immediate need supplemental. We'll be passed by the House and Senate and go to the governor's desk in a way that you can sign it so I that is a good sign. It doesn't mean we're completely done. There are still things that go beyond the immediate needs and there's still money to be spent from the Cisco Year. But it's a good start and I think it means we come back in January work together to solve the rest of the problems but the immediate needs will be solved in my opinion Dan for Christmas Day. Some of the rhetoric spin pretty toxic as this debate has gone on The Senate majority leader was quoted as using some interesting term. Shall we say about the governor and the Democrats in the legislature is that just the outside. Is that that way on the inside as well. Well you know I mean I was Extremely disappointed in the majority Jordan leader when he said that I called them and told them that you know I mean while Mike Shirking I disagree on probably A A large portion of our values are very different We've always been able to work together. And I told them that day that I was. I was offended for myself and for the governor after that I didn't think it was who he was and I didn't appreciate That you know I even told the story about how I had somebody at coffee. Our who was saying negative things about him and I said you know listen. I'm not happy with majority leader right now but I think he was going through things and I believe in the goodness of people in that. We're in the salt and I said lady prayed together for you Mike and that really does you know that's the difference here and and you either take this break and find peace peace and the good news is became back from break with a A renewed vigor order to solve this. And that's the those are good. Think I think you know. I think we saw the danger of where this path was leading us. You know we we. We constantly see in Washington. DC two sides can barely talk talk to each other lansing. Shouldn't be that way you know. Local government state government has little Usually a little more collegial and while there are tough times we shouldn't be that way and I you know I it was really disappointing mall in but I think that hopefully gave us the press. You know a look off the cliff and Maybe it prevented us from getting any closer to the edge of it so I'm thankful that it happened but maybe it had a positive result. Two big things that remain and unsettled. It appears are one on each side from the viewpoint of the Republicans Raining in the governor's ability to make shifts in the budget internal so using the state administrative board and going around the legislature. Something that's only been a couple of times. In the last couple of decades and on the Democratic side there is no increase funding funding for the roads at this point. First of all on the administrative board issue in the governor using the administrative board shift money around within these budgets. Are you close to an agreement on that until everything has been announced by both sides. I don't want to announce their agreement between them. But yeah it'd be the agreement that's been made is on for this budget. LEGIT moving forward Obviously does not solve the roads issue. And that's a big issue that we need to solve together but it does not i. I don't think the governor will be giving up executive power. I feel comfortable saying that on the roads. It's been my feeling for a long time. The legislature really is not capable of solving the problem that the governor is going to have to go directly to the people on this. It's very frustrating. But I mean I think that you've seen poster mets basically that there are a lot of interest us the legislature has solved post tournaments. A you the biggest thing lacking in legislature besides experiences courage. I think everyone's looking out for their own political future. which makes it much harder to get big things dot and so I agree with you that I still have some hope that some raw deal to get done but I think if the do it correctly the people would have to have what they're saying if in fact it does go to the ballot would be something other than the gas tax perhaps a graduated income tax or combination of taxes that would include the sales tax. I would agree with that. I mean I think that We need to progressive income tax in Michigan. Because it's just a matter of fairness I think that we certainly should be making sure. That heavy trucks are paying their fair. Share this process right now. You don't have to look at any liberal organization. I think senator study that showed that Heavy trucks right now pay about one. Eleventh of the costs awesome do The damage of Michigan Roads and they certainly should be paying their fair share of that damage. So I think that there are different opportunities. I think the the Michigan people are a lot more aggressive and the legislature is. So I think he'll probably get a better deal from the people. I will say that. Let's go to the thirty thousand foot view if you will of the legislative process processor. Your view is really unique. Your father was the speaker of the House. You had two uncles who served in the legislature. One of them went onto congress. Your brother is currently member of the legislature. This lecture as are you what is change. From the days when Curtis L. Senior was speaker of the house at a part of the leadership today. What's what's been the biggest change? There's a a Lotta I think first of all I wanNA over Romanticize the those times were tough situations. I mean when my father and Paul were retired at fifty five members as Paul Republican Co Speaker. Thank you sorry. I assume that you know people in your podcast. No but you're right I should have. I should I should be left colloquial But when Speaker Hill when my dad were elected both had fifty five members. It wasn't like they woke up and there was a solution to that. I mean the Michigan Constitution didn't have any answer of how that will be solved and they for the first two months tried to steal each other's members. They tried at one point. My father gave a speech on the floor of the House about thirty pieces of silver. Comparing Somebody to Judas. Paul was so angry at one point. It was yelling at home. The slammed the phone down said down the kitchen table and his kids ask them of Democrats. Were people because of how the the vitriol that would that that was between the two of them all the time but they were able to come to a deal and solve it. The most important part of that deal is that there were six silver bullets in that someone take a bill and shoved right to the floor because the committees were split half and half in the entire to use that agreement. None of those silver bullets. Wherever US they found a way work with each other and they found a way to talk with each other? Now what's different today. I think there's a number of things that are different. I think that there are less competitive elections. There ever were before. So you have. Because of the Gerrymander districts eighty percent of US elected by twenty percent of the people. There is no incentive to actually be in the middle the push is is always to the to the extremes of your party because those are the people that actually send lansing you know and it just feels like mine. The Democratic primaries the only election that really commanders and. I probably shouldn't say that but it just happens to be true I think that's a big part of it. I think that that there's less time to build relationships than there used to be well. There was a lot of vitriol back. Then you're gonNA have to serve with that person for a longer period of time and you're going to have to. Actually you had relationships and worked in less than in the passed on issues so there was a long term relationship. That was that you didn't want damage. And again I think the biggest issue the fact that your constituents you knew them And you could vote your conscience and and talk them into it. I think so many people now just stick their finger winnings do which way the winds blowing in vote that way because they're so the you know the next primary the next election or something else is going to happen so I think courage of the big issue too so I think a lot of things have changed and just the general polarization. I think that people don't don't. There's an assumption. The other side is evil. I don't think most of my Republican colleagues are evil dead wrong on things but they're not evil they just see. The world is different women and I do. It's hard to go. She ate if you think other side is evil. I I think we all you know because of social media and twitter and slanted news news organizations and all those things tend to live in a bubble of our own thinking And I think that makes compromise harder as well. You've also got the a combination of term limits and redistricting coming up Both of which impact you you're term limited out you've got I think having counties negotiating right now to figure out who's going to run for your seat. Is that having an impact on how the House reacts you've got so many house members that are looking at term limited senator such as yourself and kind of maneuvering for that next election. I think it's the big one of the bigger problems we have is that you know. I mean I told other people. I'm not dead yet. I still have three years left left but I do think you're right that That everyone starts guessing. WHO'S GONNA run for my seat next and what I'm GonNa do next and all the other things and really it'll honestly that's that's the the problem with homeless? It puts us in a perpetual cycle of politics. And while I I can understand why people thought it was an attractive active idea at the time I mean nobody likes the to the legislature. I think we pull about as well as polio have used car salesman. But I think people like individual slater if you told me right now l.. We could repeal tournaments I. I you know there's talk of it. I'd run for reelection for sure. This job is the biggest honor on my life and I think in many ways is a public servants. What I'm built to do you know I don't have a whole lot of higher aspirations? I mean I'm sure opportunities may come at some point. You work hard and you the right things and things come but this is. This is where I wanNA serve. I have a dog in this. I'd like to see tournaments change. But it's not just my own personal for the institution needs to the institution I think is failing the last twenty years. Well what's the last big thing that we saw long-term since terrible is passed. We've had sixteen years of governors. Who really had very little experience and say government? We've got one now has a lot of experience state government but she's working with the thirty year old Speaker of the House who had little experience. Yeah that's I mean that's the point but I mean look at just look at you the record of it right so twenty years ago when we tried this experimental terrible and let's machine was one of the best states in the country for education on the bottom. I'm forty we had a reasonably good infrastructure. We have. We're now nowhere near that. I can't think of a whole lot of things that have gotten better in the state state over the last twenty years twenty years ago we were one of the You know best states. For Higher Education in terms of funding of higher education eighty eighty percent of the cost is paid for by the state twenty percent families now. Twenty percent is paid for by the state and eighty percent is paid for by family. Every kid graduates in Michigan was thirty five thousand dollars in debt. The fact that Michigan's ten states spends more on prisons and higher education. The experiment has failed. There's no question of that. So yeah I I think that if the people you know had a fair shot to look at the information. They may be wanting to repeal tournaments. Well he's got two million dollars in the budget for redistricting redistricting at least which was on behalf voters politicians. We thank you for that. I'm I'm happy for that. I think that I think ending gerrymandering commission was the number one most important thing that we could do in order to solve missions governments problem. I think the tournaments maybe the second biggest one but I'm so proud of the people for solving that problem because it really I mean I served in the most gerrymander binding the country last term. If you look at it just physically speaking forty-nine percent of the people that voted for a democratic state senator. We had less than a third of the body this last election. It's like we you know I was the campaign chair. I'm very proud of what we did. Mostly it's picked up since Watergate and Michigan for Democrats First Democratic Caucus ever to be half female and half mail also. I'm proud of what we accomplished. But that being said we got fifty seven percent of the vote and still have Don't have control the body. We'd have to get sixty. Three sixty sixty you know. Sixty three sixty four percent of the vote statewide in order to take control of the state. Senate that's not. I think the fact that they'll be fair election moving forward and the politicians won't be able to choosing their voters Ah instead you know having voters actually choose the the people that are present them a much better situation Senator Carter so tell always a pleasure have a great holiday. Doctors Actors Are Mike. Pence ventured into South Michigan last week and admission. That number one one Michigan is critical to the trump reelection plan in two. There could be some Republican members of Congress from that area who are in trouble reinforcing forcing this conclusion trump has scheduled a rally for Battle Creek next week to Michigan. Congressional candidates held a telephone conference call reporters to talk about trump's uh-huh multiple broken promises. John Hood Lee is running to unseat. long-term Congressman Fred Upton and it district. It's gone from solid red to purple congressman then. The trump pence administration has failed to do anything to address skyrocketing health care prescription. Drug costs failed to act climate change in sailed it deliver on any relief to working families struggling to get by. You know I've just say. The trump administration has failed to deliver particularly on lowering Medicare allowing Medicare to negotiate Goshi eight for lower prescription drug prices which was one of the major provinces of their twenty sixteen campaign. And that's why it's a state representative. I've been proud to offer a resolution of calling on the federal government to negotiate these prices but looming over the campaigns of holy along with Holland's Brian Berghof. WHO's taking on bill hazing and the three three way battle and Justin a modulus grand rapids based district is impeachment? Berghof a point of not making a point over impeachment falling in West Michigan in many ways along along party party lines you know. Democrats are eager to see kind of for this administration. And you know I think some Republicans are are buying into some of the deflections. I should say rather than defense that the Republican Party has put up And you know I think many of them. Mr Wanting us to move on The country but I think people are are a little bit concerned. Think more and more people want our elected officials to be held accountable. And this is just wanted constitutional ways we have of doing that. Berghof told me he doesn't bring up impeachment and it rarely comes up in conversations with voters but surly hanging over all of the members of congresses. They get ready for the campaign especially those who are in the swing districts It's GonNa be fascinating given that we've got a virtual party line. Vote going on in the House of Representatives undeserved Peterman pretty clear. That's going to happen sooner rather than later and then the dams really gonna I you think is something that people still be talking about next November. I kind of think it depends on what happens between now in that we've seen over and over again that people just don't have attention span. Things changed so much that this could turn out to be just something that happened. I think the big thing that could happen would be if the Supreme Court rules that he doesn't have to give up his tax returns to the District Attorney in Manhattan and once those tax returns are up. I think that really is going to be the mother load of information on what Donald Trump has done to specially is basically screw the American people and steal everything again. I think that is going to be his downfall. I'm fairly certain that those are going into a sealed file so I don't know when those will be made public. I'm at this point. It's it's A grand jury but at the same time. If it's released to the folks in Manhattan for the State Investigation. It probably will also go to Congress I which by law has a right to have the ways and means committee has an absolute right to those tax returns and trump just said. I don't care if you got an absolute right. You can't have them. If the Supreme Court orders orders them to release them he probably GonNa have to release them. Do something to stop it. They're shooting nukes at the moment or something but that could be still another impeachable. Offensive defies is an order from the US Supreme Court. It's a slam dunk Even the Senate would have a tough time. Acquitting him at that point fingers crossed. Well one more note. On Congressional Channel Races Wretched Driscoll is taking a third shot at ousting. ultra-conservative Tim Walberg. And that's in the seventh district driscoll was team lose nominee for the last two recycles. Lost the Walberg fifty four forty six last year. She is a former state representative and former mayor of Selene. And the seventh district is the the most gerrymandered district and out State Michigan stretching from thirty miles west of Lansing all the way to Toledo. And here's another interesting thing when it was gerrymandered did this district. It was actually part of the emails and the process of drawing. This district was actually part of that federal gerrymandering loss And it was discovered that when this was gerrymandered they intentionally cut out mark showers home hometown battle creek and they added part of the third district. which as you know is Justin Amash displace place and they did that in order to discourage mark from running again they made it a little more Republican for Walberg but last Republican for Justin Amash so that helps us this time around i? I think this'll be Walberg Western. He'll beat her one more time. And then and then the following. Look should I think the new district and I'm not going to put this in the pod because it's total spent this week and government corruption. Meanwhile California Congressman Duncan Hunter. Just barely hold onto a seat after pleading guilty to stealing two hundred and fifty thousand campaign money here in Michigan State State representative Larry M and hold onto his job in the legislature up. He's tried for attempting to sell us. Vote in exchange for campaign contributions Christine. It was quite a show in the grand rapids federal courtroom. Oh to have been in that courtroom. This is really quite a story. So let's start at the beginning and then was elected twenty fourteen. He's in his third term. Now anyway he represents grand traverse county so your area amy. We've talked about all of this. He was in court for three criminal charges. Charges Federal Charges attempted extortion solicitation of a bribe and lying to the FBI and and this is all around an attempt to sell his vote on the prevailing pulling wage repeal to the Michigan Council of regional carpenters and mill rights. And of course that's a labor union that You did not want the repeal and Larry and men are Republican. His Caucus obviously supported the repeal so he was willing to say. Look I'll voted against inst- repealing prevailing wage in exchange for this campaign money of thirty thousand dollars. Ultimately the union deliver the money and Inman voted with his his caucus and against the workers interest in men's defense kind of revolves around several different points that came out in court one he had five surgeries surgeries and twenty eight months which meant that. He was using a lot of prescription drugs. He developed an addiction and that reduced his cognitive ability. He's saying there's a lot of these he's he's text messages which are evidence against him that he just can't believe he sent he doesn't remember sending them. Let's point another point is at fundraising is something they have to do. All the time and all of this fundraising staff wise. You know it was normal. It was within the bounds of everything. They do all the time. The third point. He was willing going to vote against the repeal of prevailing wage because his district didn't feel strongly about it however we chatfield threatened to pull committee assignments of caucus members who did not vote to repeal so he ultimately voted in support of repealing prevailing wage in order to give political covered to state rep Joe Beleno who is a Republican in a heavy union district who wanted to vote against the repeal and. He said that he had also been advised by Tom. Leonard's former chief of staff that business community supports loses support them and by helping Labor. He was making their own friends so all of that together. There is the story that Larry Mental to show that he didn't do anything wrong he was you know this is business as usual except for that he he was an addict at the time. And now you can see why Lee chat field was so important to the case Lee Chatfield said yes has representatives are always fundraising it's very clear that you've keep fundraising and legislation separate. We chatfield are also directly contradicted the accusation About pulling committee assignments assignments you see. He said he never threaten to bowl committee. Assignments based on the prevailing wage. Vote which I think is really important. Here Field testified that the caucus I always knew bellina was a no vote. There was no need to cover for. Lena's no vote on repealing prevailing wage. It's going to go to the jury early next week Nick. Monday or Tuesday one witness. They haven't been able to bring in is State Representative Steve Marino who sits by Larry Inman and allegedly kept a document that track the Republican position on prevailing wage. So he has documents arguments said who was in support of it who was against it. That document could show the details of what inman was thinking. So that's you know that's kind of I don't know the whole thing is kind of convoluted stuff. It's just gonNA come out to. I think it was more convinced. One thing we were talking about before the show started was and if this is the kind of thing that happens a lot Larry Inman was just more blatant about it. More out in the open I worked for the legislature for ten years and I never saw anything that approached this as I saw people applying subtle pressure to get campaign contributions but it was never quite this blatant in this open about a straight exchange of vote for money. But he could've used. The trump argument trump argues that because ultimately gave Ukraine the money. There couldn't have been a quid pro. Quo well inland. Never got the bribes so therefore there was no crime so he's not guilty right Republican logic. Exactly what does it crime. I mean obviously the the crime didn't depend on the deal the transaction going through. But you can say okay. He didn't get the money ultimately. He voted against Labor With his caucus he still lied to the FBI and it was clear like as you said you had never seen anything even approaching this this kind head of conduct. When they received those text messages they went to the police immediately? It was clear to them that a line had been crossed Senate what the Labor lobbyists is a good friend of mine. He's a former marine. And I just I can imagine his reaction when he got this text message he would have gone ballistic immediately because is this just the kind of crap that he look exit man. You can't do this. This is just flat out wrong and you know saying bad things about lobbyists with you know most the lobbyists I know are pretty ethical people and when they saw something like this I can understand them going to the cops right away from my personal experience of knowing Larry Inman I. I'm surprised that this he did. This just seems so out of character for him and I'm surprised at the FEDS haven't gone after Steve Marino to get that document. There was a document argument. That Larry inman Harry and as a going to vote against prevailing wage. Up until the last minute that coincided with the time he didn't get that money that that'd be really strong evidence. The only thing is wrong is higher. Rudy Giuliani as attorney. Meanwhile down in Washington we still have our fun there. The last month is certainly certainly given a lot of added prominence to the House Intelligence Committee and Chairman Adam Schiff before Democrats regained control of the House. That committee was chaired by Ukraine co-conspirator at her Devon Nunez of California just about every vote on. The committee seems to be a party line. Vote and has been since Nunez became the chair. But it wasn't always like that before Nunez took over the committee. It was chaired for four years by Republican. Mike Rogers of Michigan. I've had a lot of rhetorical battles with Rogers over the years back when I was doing my radio show. We would fight all the time but I was gave him credit for keeping the worst of partisanship out of the national security debate. These days Mike Rogers is a commentator for CNN on national security issues issues also produces the CNN program. Declassified untold stories of American spies known. Its third season Congressman Rogers. Welcome to the PODCAST. I think it's safe to say the since you left. The Intelligence Committee Committee has become a lot more partisan. Yeah unfortunately and it's been I think the last two chairmen including including the president won a combination of the both of those to turn it into a very sharp elbows partisan committee and I just never believed that was the role all of that committee. I had established a good relationship with my Democrat ranking member guy named Dutch groupers Burger from Maryland Great Guy Former prosecutor and we both set down when I became chairman and he became ranking member. Just agreed that national security was too important for petty partisanship and and and whatever we disagreed on. We were going to work it out and I think that served the country. Well I think it's served the committee. Well I certainly think it's Congress's oversight constitutionally oversight responsibility well from your perspective what is what is Adam Schiff done that. He shouldn't have done. How's he handled it improperly? I think he was partisan artisan before he got there. The you know and candidly the Republican before him started. That partisan there's conspiracy theories around every tree in every corner and that kind of started. The committee started flying apart from any Modicum of decency. And I think Adam Schiff just picked up that baton and ran with it to run an impeachment inquire I don't care To what degree is just wholly inappropriate from the committee in. He had very partisan comments before he did remember when he came out and said when he was in the minority he said. Oh I've I've seen evidence of collusion In the president's guilty I mean it was just very partisan rhetoric coming off of a committee that I argue is no place for that. There are other committees. There's other places to be partisan and Tigris I I just don't think the intelligence committees on them when you were chair of the Intelligence Committee one of the most high-profile things you did was an investigation into the whole Benghazi Situation He. He came out with a report that was critical of some things that happened but basically was was pretty neutral. Did you catch a Lotta static on that from your Republican colleagues. Oh absolutely absolutely Yes if sometimes to this day people bring it up. My thing is this I I have as a former. FBI agent and as a member member of Congress that had subpoena power. The power of the government is immense When it comes to your personal liberty your personal Ability to to live free from from government intervention and so. I looked at it as you need to be exactly right and if the government and I don't care if you're an FBI agent or a member of Congress. I don't believe you should ever use those tools for partisan purposes and so I wanted to play it fair. I want to understand the facts. I think the report was was pretty good in the sense that it laid out the time line laid out all the timing of it. I did it through. All what we would understand is traditional investigative tools for date stamping and time stamping of information. That we had and candidly none of that. Change even with the Benghazi Full Committee that happened after After my investigation because unfortunately people wanted to find something wrong. They didn't say day that there were going to find out what happened. They're going to say we wanted to find something wrong when you do that. I think the truth is the one of the first thing that gets sacrificed and I worry a little a little bit about that now with the impeachment hearing they were hell bent to get it And they're gonNA go and do things to find out the truth that they wanna see not the truth. That might be there. That's what I worry about in the current state of affairs In these congressional investigations. I don't think people have the truth in mind as much as they do. A partisan advantage and I just think that's dangerous. Okay a couple of things that you mentioned really sparked something in me first of all you talk about the power of the legislature the Congress to subpoena which is pretty much being ignored by the executive branch now and on the other side. You've got a William Barr who is looking it seemingly pulled as trying to pull this is the FBI even to the point of disagreeing with the Inspector General in the report. That's about to come out regarding the beginnings of the investigation into the trump campaign. Yeah I I. I'm really going to be interested to see what he lays out as why he would disagree with the report. The only thing that I can think of from a that passes the smell test for me is if This Durham who is the investigator looking at the premise of the the Russia investigation I if he came out and found things that were contrary specter general did not find that might to me pass muster. If it's just because I don't want to believe it that's going to be very disappointing to me one thing in your resume that it's probably good that you failed l.. That was when you were interviewed to be Director of the FBI. After Komi was fired you didn't get the job. Seems to me like that was probably a pretty good career move. My wife says. I dodged the bullets on that particular case. You know this that was I would have taken that for several reasons A I think the country deserves to have of an FBI that is independent fully functioning in focused on its work not dipping its toe into the political ups and downs of Washington. DC Eighty. And so. I thought I had something unusual happened there while I'm not sure if you remember this. The Agents Association had never endorsed someone to take the job as director. They just stayed out of it. They did that because of my relationship and the work that I had done as an FBI agent that was pretty significant to me. It was a motivation to me to say all right if they have confidence. I can do this in this environment. Then I would go ahead and put my name in basically go in for the interview You know as it's turned out they want a different direction than But I I. That's why people thought I was nuts. Just considering it and I'll tell you I just. I thought it was so important for the bureau and for the country to have this World Class Independent Investigative Organization. Doing good work on behalf of America. I just thought that was important in and I felt I had the tools to help protect that In do good work for the country. Another huge part of the distraction from the FBI is got to be this feud between the president and Lisa Page who's finally come out and gone public after two years of attacks from the president. How does that? How does that impact ah the FBI? Long term is something that is going to be able to recover from quickly or is this long term damage. Well I think it depends if the if it's just this president goes away I think it will be fine and I I just spoke at something called the G. Man Honors Association. Oh maybe a few weeks ago go where they honor The families of plane agents and and try to take care of their community. And you know they don't like it but they also recognize that the behavior for the agents involved although it does not rise to any personal attacks were on the on the president. The United States mind you. was wholly inappropriate inappropriate and it was a black mark on the FBI. They they all recognize that. And so I think if we can get through this personal attacking being by the president of the United States where I just think is just not I just I I. It's shocking to me that he continues to do this When when he has been an elected president for three and a half years I thought he would outgrow that but he did not unfortunately so? It's two things they understand the the realism Highlights what was very very poor Judgement on behalf of the people who are FBI associated with the FBI agent in one of it's attorneys and the fact that the president has gone way over bounds by making it personal to the person involved. And I I again. I hope we get over this quickly. Quickly my advice to the director Was the new director. Was Put your head down. Don't care about the politics. Don't get engaged in that. Don't come in on it. Focus on the bureau and getting it right. Do the things the bureau is supposed to do in getting it right and I think he's done that Relatively Well if they continue to do that I think they will weather the storm because the work is is more important than the squabble. A little bit about your day job. Now you're working with CNN both as a commentator on national security and also you're producing your own program on security. Is it liberating for you to be able to basically say what you think and not have to worry about what the folks in Howell Oregon. How they're gonNA react to it? Yes but you know it's interesting well I And you know sometimes when you're in the heat of the difference Politically you don't see this. I never really didn't say what I thought Which I think is why I won and some friends in the Democrat side out not that they agreed with me but at least I was straight about it and then I took a vote? I'd come home and I'd try to explain why I did it. You still might not like they get at least people appreciated that and so it is more liberating I guess because I just can I just say exactly what I'm thinking and it may not be in the president's interest today it might be tomorrow but that's not my job anymore. Job is to try to provide good analysis of what I see happening In the kinds of things I think that a uh are good and bad in the process that we see today so it wasn't a huge switch for me but it is a little bit more live you know. The pants fit a little bit looser. If you I will when you're when you don't have to worry about getting called on the carpet for something you may have had on either at home in your district or or National Channel TV. That's the story I've heard from quite a few former elected officials as we sit back and I have a couple of beers over the bar. They seem to be enjoying their lives a lot more now my wife says as I smile a lot more. I don't know what that's about I would. I would tend to believe it. I tell us a little bit about your program. Declassified untold stories of American spies for those who haven't haven't seen it what is what is the objective of the program. Well one of the things I wanted to do. And if you recall. When I was chairman there was lots of turmoil there were some you know or the intelligence community took a good beating? They're in a certainly now with this president who has seems to have a high degree of mistrust of the of the intelligence community. Which I think candidly is misplaced But it just doesn't help the community the community of intelligence to try to do really difficult work. So what I wanted to do and and originally when I approached CNN with the idea They were all in about saying yeah. This is great so the whole purpose is take stories who are which are declassified. By the way we're not telling any secrets That haven't been declassified. In any of these episodes were packaging. It in a way that you haven't seen and tells a fascinating story about you know but the very first episode give an example was about the first woman. CIA officer or spy. We sent to Moscow in the seventies And all of the the ups and downs and she was handling one of our most important agents in somebody turned in that agent and she got arrested and the whole story about all of that With her own words in this story to me was a powerful way to say. This is the hard work of intelligence. It's difficult it's not what you think is not Jason Born but it is dangerous all of those things over. The course of this is our third season. We just finished We tell all kinds kinds of great stories about international and espionage cases. That really will have you sitting on the edge of your seat or they feel like it's a TV show It's astonishing and kind of a documentary form but it is really the highlight of the people that do this work and be Just how difficult it is and it always doesn't turn out exactly the way are you want But at least it gives on the American public a view inside the kind of work and the commitment on on the behalf of these people. And by the okay. Well you can get it at CNN. Go Dot Com if you go on. CNN Go you can get all the past episodes and take a look. I think people would actually if you if you like spies and international intrigue boy. This is the show for you now. Twenty years ago when we were both a lot younger there's a lot more skepticism about spies in about the CIA and maybe the FBI as well but it seems now that is a very good credential for getting yourself elected to public office the district representatives now represented by a former CIA operative. You've got a half dozen or so in Congress. Now that form a mini caucus of security people. Is that the kind of changed. It makes you the bridge enjoyed your heart. Well listen I like I was a former military guy. I liked the fact that not everybody has to be in the military. And you don't have to be in the military to appreciate what they do and try to understand understand it But you know having a few around in the room does help. And so when these intelligence officials who have worked on the on the pointy end of the spear and get into into elected office. I do think it helps the dialog. It helps understanding so that when somebody stands up and says you know they're all liars and Crooks and fill in the blank somebody who's been vendor can say let me tell you about the people who take the oath of the United States to do the work that they do and are willing to put themselves in harm's way I just think that's a very good perspective perspective and I like lots of different kinds of perspective in Congress even the ones I disagree with candidly I like here in those stories because it can help shape what policy policy and how we move forward and so. I'm glad that there's more interest in that those communities. I don't know if you remember. But a guy named Marcin cow ski who is a former. CIA ran against me. I think it was two thousand. Six Kill district's seat so that was an well because the FBI versus CIA. You know who the good guys are. Okay I'm kidding I'm just joking. They're all good guys but it was kind of a fun thing. We did the spy versus spy kind of a race that year but it was It was pretty interesting interesting but I mean there are has been kind of a renewed interest from people who are willing to come out and put their name on the ballot. And I think it's a good thing Mike always good to catch up with you. Take Care Thank you very much. Well thanks thanks for making me. Not The lamb at the slaughter for For the for the for the liberal bastion of and friend friend that I have in Lansing Michigan. No that was my old job twilight your new job better. I think all right. That's assist this week for more information on this week's topics over to our website Michigan holocast dot com. We welcome your comments contact Michigan podcasts and facebook and twitter or email us at podcast G. Mail DOT COM. Thanks to Senator Kurtzer junior and former congressman Mike Rogers for joining the US and our thanks to Nancy. Pelosi Adam shift just because to wrap up this week. Let's have some words of wisdom from a man of deep principle South Carolina in a senator and southern gentleman. Lindsey Olin Graham. He doesn't have to say. Go Live for me to be a cry you don't have to say less obstruct justice for For it to be a crime. He judge people on their conduct. Not Magic phrases. I think that's what they meant by high crimes done. You have to be a crime. It's just when you start using your office in your acting in a way that hurts people. You committed a crime because impeachment is not about about punishment impeachment is about cleansing. The office impeachment is about restoring honor in integrity to the office. We'll be back next. Week later gator.
Are Favors For The Insurance Industry essential Capitol Business?
"Hello everyone and welcome to consumer watchdog's rate for justice report. Our weekly conversation about the current issues were exposing confronting and changing. I'm your host Carmen Boulevard. Executive Director of consumer watchdog. Thanks for joining us and our guests. This week is Mike Matic Voice you will recognize consumer watchdog Sacramento Council and lobbyists and an old hand at the tricks and traps of his trade in the capital. Welcome Mike skewed to be here. Thanks for having me absolutely album so we thought this week are given that the legislature just reopened last week That it'd be good a good time to talk about what was going on the capital and specifically Legislation that passed a key committee last week that would raise insurance. Rates on homeowners and guts got the state's insurance consumer protections enacted proposition three. So that bill. Ab Twenty One. Sixty seven purportedly responds to the wildfire. Christ but in would give The insurance industry something. They've been looking for a long time. Which is an Enron around consumer protections? But but may Mike. Maybe we start with. Just what's going on at the Capitol because it's Weird Times up there like everywhere else They've totally up unto how they do things. Yeah they are. I mean it's It's the trying to live under the the the the issue of Dacoven nineteen and IT'S A. It's a trying to have a video. Conferencing have collins for committees and basically poor. At and T. Was overwhelmed at the hearing and was cutting off testimony that was being called in and Accidentally intentionally on my part. I'm not quite sure But I would I would venture that They are trying hard to keep the social distancing to deal with the issues that are important and critical And I know the governor and the leadership in both houses of the directed the staff and the committee chairs to work together to just put forth bills that are critical for The State of California Keeping US afloat as we go into this period of being in a couple of hundred million in debt and trying to fight this covered virus and save lives so it has been a trial and error a lot of error a lot of good trying but but allowed a lot of error. Well Yeah and the hearing that we're talking about that we'll get to in just a second was held somewhere which has never been done before on the chamber floor of the State Assembly So the fourteen or so committee members could sit a more than six feet. Apart and witnesses were in room or as you said on the phone Mike so it's It's a very different reality but nonetheless the business of the state is still going on and one of those is juice committees and favors for the industry is that That feed those committees. So make Mike. That'll tell us about the hearing and Ab Twenty one sixty seven which is Legislation sponsored by Orange County Assemblyman. Tom Daley That was real giveaway to the insurance industry. The Ad Karman mentioning that this was supposed to be critical bills necessary for to keep California flow and operational on this. Bill is absolutely a what we call the? The traded juice bill. This was hatched by the insurance. A industry is something they've been trying to do. It's one thousand. Nine hundred eighty eight. When proposition went of three was created and passed by. The voters is to find a a way to get the camel's nose under the tent. This bill tries to drive a mack truck through the ten. And it's just an amazing scenario where it's it's unlawful usurpation of the the authority that the California's have given an elected insurance commissioner. And as you noted notwithstanding the bills intent but was just voluminous Kind of a dissertation on Climate Change in and homeowners. It does absolutely nothing to address. Climate Change does require insurance companies to renew homeowners policies or protect communities in any way against wildfires or that stuff that happens post wildfires. You know when people can't get their claims adjusted property and there's there's those abuses from the insurance industry that they're playing so many California's is they're trying to rebuild their homes so it's just another attempt by the insurance industry to escape any accountability that the California voters imposed on them when when they enacted prop one zero three and Juno. It's been going on now for thirty years. And and forty years and how many years it's been since nineteen eighty eight because kupuna viruses obviously impacted my my mathematical skills. But the the the key of twenty one sixty seven is to eliminate the pre approval that the insurance commissioner has over rates when the insurance industry tries to just aft to justify them to the Insurance Commissioner. That's and it's subject to public intervention by concerned citizens and and consumer groups. It's Kinda like the the chemistry now. There's no check on them. They can raise their rates. Twenty percent thirty percent. And there's and there's no way to check them on a problem of three. It gives the insurance commissioner and the consumer groups the ability to check them to say. Okay you want to raise rates now prove you need to raise these rates? Show US where you you need to raise rates. And and they can't do that so this is their net their latest sense. They're trying to take advantage of a crisis. And as you know I mean the insurance industry they they never miss a chance to exploit a good a good crisis while an and and the numbers behind this push are the campaign contributions that make the Assembly Insurance Committee a committee. This bill passed out of committee last week. Fourteen to zero as I am I right in that down. The number that goes along with that is the hundred eighty three thousand dollars that Tom. Daley the chair. That Committee and author this bill received from the insurance industry in the last election cycle and the one point one million That members of the committee received a call from the insurance industry in the last cycle. So this was part and parcel of a long standing practice. In the industry where well-heeled interests give money to the committee that regulates them and that committee then intern carries legislation to help them out so Especially I mean really especially disappointing at this time when we should be focusing on crises in the state not a way to give a special interest industry what they've been looking for for the last three decades so so maybe Mike the other thing we should do is just talk about the fact that at the end of the day even though this was a massive give way to the insurance industry. It's a huge waste of time. It's a waste of time treasure because it is an illegal amendment to proposition one zero three. Yeah I mean why. Would you pass something that you know as illegal because the the key element of this is that anything that would be passed has to be passed by two thirds vote of both houses and it has to further the purposes of propaganda? Three there's nothing in this that furthers the purposes of problem. No three there. I mean there's nothing that says the that To fight any type of discrimination and it has to be fair and equitable. Not a thing. It is just a giant giveaway so when when you have the insurance industry clearly getting their way because it's it's fourteen to nil vote. Fourteen zero is a big vote on any. I was in the building as a chief counsel in that committee for Five Years. I never had a bill that went out like that that was so controversial that had such opposition. It's just and the Insurance Committee itself is acting as advocates for the insurance industry. Which I find to be just not only unbelievable but pretty offensive when when you think about it and then as you tie in the money element to this you noted that thou millions of dollars. It's one cycle. These guys are going to be seeing on that committee for four five. Six seven eight nine ten twelve years. That's the that's the term limit. Now so you multiply that one cycle times Six if we're talking about a two year session that's almost real money. And and of course because this bill is an illegal amendment two problem three. What that means is voters said okay. We want to regulate rates if the legislature wants to overturn that they They can't And so the the the measure that would deregulate homeowners. Insurance rates violates that which means this will end up in court which means countless hours of state attorney time To defend it in court all for not when we are in a drastic budget crisis so really irresponsible move From this committee the silver lining might be That the rest of the legislature will Will have a have a more sanguine of this and The fact that the bill is going to The Appropriations Committee next Which is chaired by Someone who Lorena Gonzalez Who who was trying to carry legislation that would have protected consumers in the homeowners crisis required insurance companies to actually reward them for making their home safer from wildfire and that interestingly never even got a hearing in committee so I I wonder how she will decide to deal with this legislation. That is coming to her committee next. Yeah now we're talking about Realpolitik right. I mean you're talking about a legislator who has the support of the professionals at the Department of Insurance and all the consumer groups the the consumer attorneys a bill that would do something which is to help the homeowners. If they're gonNA spend a five ten thousand dollars hard in their homes and clear away the brush that they they can be compensated and that the insurance industry would have to give them premium discounts accordingly. Now there's something that you could get your head around and support. That doesn't even get a hearing in Mr Daily's Committee but this other bill. That is a complete give away to the insurance industry does So Yeah I could see. I could see Ms Gonzalez saying you know what this doesn't make sense of the people state of California to time when we're in a global pandemic and we're going billions of dollars in the in the deficit and we've got people sheltering in place in their out of work Sure we should make it easier for the insurance industry to raise costs and on both the people and the state. I don't see that happening really. I don't think so. Well we'll see what happens with that legislation The committee hearings are both limited and Coming SOON SO WE'LL GET. We'll get an outcome for that bill in were committee soon. and have more updates for you On the state of the legislature. And what they're doing in this crisis for For good and for ill Thanks Mike for Sharing that with us. I know we'll have you on to explain the situation up there again soon. Thanks so much everybody stay safe safe. Everyone thanks for joining us this week. On the rage justice report as always you can subscribe to the podcast anywhere. You get favorite podcasts. And Go to our website learn more about this legislation. The insurance commissioners opposition consumer groups opposition at www dot consumer watchdog dot org. Thanks for joining us.
What it would take to end child poverty in America
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The time to end Hyde is now paid for by American Civil, Liberties Union Inc rights for all dot org. Unfortunately this pandemic has become in many respects an equalizer and I think coming out of this I think there'll be a greater sensitivity to what low income families have to deal with each and every day. Blow welcome to line show on the VOX media podcast network? This episode is about a national, crisis. Of the one you think corona virus but more about one that predates it. America has a child poverty rate that is unique among pure nations about one in six children. Billy pulp million children total live in poverty before the pandemic hit one six sit and think about that of every six children in the country one or in poverty. That's about one in three black children. About. The same for American Indian children nearly one in four. Hispanic children and about one any Levin White. Children a huge racial component here. This is a choice it's a choice. Other countries impose different policies and they make different choices and something that I think we're seeing over the course of the pandemic is one a lot of middle income or even upper income families have been thrown into the same world of unstable unreliable or completely absent child care that poor families are in all the time and have seen the way that is terrible for the children has seen the way that makes it impossible for the adults to to do work and to get ahead at work. If there's one silver lining coming at US I hope it is some sensitivity to this crisis but the other thing it wouldn't even be that expensive to change it wouldn't be that expensive to change. There is nothing in American political life where there is a big difference. Between our rhetoric? And our policy action on children. Every politician for both parties talks about how we need have equal opportunity. Nobody thinks children are responsible for their own lot in life and yet we allow this. Ongoing national stain. And this whore in these children's lives do just go for it wouldn't be that expensive defect. So as we are doing the series on how to remobilize the economy in partnership with the network and you can check out more of it on box, it's called the great rebuild. There were sort of looking at it through the mobilization and Remobilization Lens and I'm interested here in how could we rebuild in a way actually took seriously children's welfare how could we rebuild an economy in the aftermath of Covid? There was as good for children as we claim. To. Be. As country. And my guest for it is somebody I've wanted have forever she's my congresswoman which is very exciting because she is awesome. But Representative Barbara Lee from Oakland She's an amazing history herself, but was also among other things a single mother raising two children trying to go through school, and so it's no accident that in Congress Lee is one of the leaders on thinking about children thinking about child care about child poverty couple years back. She got put into law the need for the National Academy? Of Sciences or mandate for them to produce a huge report on how to have child poverty over ten years and they did it and you know what the report found it is unbelievably achievable unbelievably achievable. So for more of the great rebuild series in partnership with the network, you can visit box dot com slash the dash great revealed get the podcast in the series. Coming, September a special issue of our magazine the highlight. But for now here is representative Barbara Lee. Congresswoman Barbara Lee. Welcome to the PODCAST. Glad be with you. It's such a pleasure to have you as you as you my local representative I feel like, I'm having a real. Local politics experience. That's great. Well, you know it is the most progressive and enlightened congressional district in the country the Great Thirteenth Congressional district so. Glad. You're my constituent, the fighting thirteenth. Let me jump into this in twenty fifteen. You commissioned a big national academies of Sciences Report on child poverty what what led to you commissioning that report. Sure well, you know first of all as a member of the Appropriations Committee, I do a lot of work on child poverty. and. Also, I've been trying to get for years and years and years our democratic caucus to really. Talk about fighting for the poor for low income people as well as for the middle class. So fortunately. Speaker Pelosi established a task force on poverty and opportunity. So this is just been part of the work that I've been doing over the years and when you look at the poverty rates in America. And especially with black and Brown children, and when you look at the probably race, just in my district in California in the Golden State of California, their scale, and so we wanted to look at Aba National Academy of Science Engineering and medicine to conduct a study on how to cut child poverty in half in the next ten years, we should be able to eliminate it, but we could only get to cutting it at half, and so the highlights from the study are very important because it's a roadmap for legislative and funding priorities for the House of Representatives and say state and local measures in an address is also. So paint the picture for me before we get into the policy measures. What is child poverty look like in America and and not maybe just tell poverty but also just punch out policy. How do we differ from pure nations? When you look at how poverty? Already. A shameful. It increased from thirteen point six percent to twenty one percent. But when you look at a childhood poverty use California as an example. Twenty eight point six percent of African American children live below the poverty line. Twenty six point three percent of American Indian native Americans live below the poverty line twenty four point, four percent of an API children and twenty four point two percent of lat next children live below the poverty line. This is outrageous in the tower country you're looking at thirty one percent of American Indian native Americans living below the poverty line children twenty, nine percent of African American children. Twenty three percent of let x children or eleven percent of the API children. Now, these are statistics from two thousand eighteen woods shows that over twelve million children are living and we're living in poverty, and of course now, because of covid nineteen, the numbers even worse. And what are the numbers? For Non, Hispanic White chiltern the numbers are higher. Okay. The percentages are lower in terms of the numbers I believe it's more like probably eight to ten percent, but I'd have to verify that also, but the numbers are still high across the board, but it's the percentages of poverty that the stat that we data in terms of the proportionate rates of Childhood Poverty And one of the things it is always striking to me when looking at this is our rates of child poverty across the board are double or triple the rates of child poverty. We see in most European countries and were richer than most of those countries on a per capita basis so. Is kind of child poverty. We see in America is simply a policy choice we are making through an action. Policy Choices. Yes. But also it's the stomach you have economic inequality. That's just part of the DA of America as well as systemic racism. And so with White Children you know you've got many many. Low income, poor children living in many parts of the country such as in West Virginia, and then you have percentages of of black and Brown children. Whose families have to deal with systemic racism each and every day and so when you look at power when you look at the wage gap, you know black and Brown families as opposed to white families when you look at the wealth. camp. When you look at the data around housing. When you look at the healthcare demographics, you can look across the board you have social determinants of health care where children who live below the poverty lay get sicker earlier. It and so it's a vicious cycle and so economic inequality and racial inequality. Systemic racism really contributes to the huge numbers of children living below the poverty line in. America. Effect on a child growing up in poverty. Well child growing up in poverty and I can tell you. First of all, you have healthcare issues and I have to refer to myself I lived. On public assistance for about four years raising two small children when I got a divorce and. As a student in college and it was really hard I couldn't I about. Afford childcare. So I had to take my children to class with me. And they to do their own homework and so the stress alone. With regard to. What happens with children? Going to school maybe not enough food to eat. So we have to have school breakfast and lunch programs because so many children that's their only meal. and. So when you look at the healthcare nutrition when you look at substandard housing, when you look at many low income, people live in polluted areas where there's not clean clean water clean air toxic pollutants, dumpsites toxins in the in the atmosphere when you look at the entire. Life. Of a child whose family makes barely minimum wage and then access to snap in section eight vouchers are difficult to come by because of this administration you see this the cycle of poverty where families I have a difficult time even those working two and three jobs to move themselves out of poverty, and of course, the children with the school system larger class sizes are teachers. And how is almost want to say a pandemic upon a pandemic as it relates to the poverty pandemic, her children living in America. One of the parts of the report that I found really striking was it identified these two mechanisms through which growing up in poverty children the the first one which I think is intuitive to people. You just mentioned it a couple of times is. Investment. Right. Not, enough healthcare resources sometimes on a food stimulating environment, not as much support of childcare and on and on. But the other one is stress this wear and tear of environmental stressors of fear of instability of being evicted like you see in Matthew Desmond's book that Changes Children's cognitive. Development, can you talk a bit about that dimension of it and you know my background is clinical social worker by profession I'm a psychotherapist and I really understand how that ways, how how stress ways on children as a result of these social determinist when you look at trauma, for example, many children who live in low income communities are especially in black and brown communities are traumatized by gun by. Constantly, hitting the ground wooden floor constantly trying to figure out how to how to move around so that they're not shot when you look at a trauma around a police misconduct and And still have to talk to my grandchildren. My sons have to talk our grants Odin. His children about what to do in case a police officer in count encounters you and and you need to protect yourself and no the appropriate behavior. Well, that's stressful. And it's traumatizing, and so we trauma leaves the stress which leads to acting out I. mean some young people are having a very difficult time. You see the high rates of suicide with. Especially Young African American teenagers now, boys especially when you look at the the fact that young people in Grammar school now have diabetes, and so if they don't have adequate healthcare, they don't have their insulin have their diabetic medication which just compounds the the problems that they have in terms of just living, and so you have the. Impacts of a poverty. And yet, and you also have the mental health trauma that is associated with with. Lives, the environmental factors and it's a it's a moral disgrace that we don't look out for our children and that we don't address the environmental factors and the social determinants of their lives because you have to do that to make sure that children don't get stressed out or have breakdowns or end up. Getting shot or in the juvenile hall, end up hanging out where police might encounter them. The could lead to some some terrible outcomes. So it let me tell you. An American children living in this country for the most part, you're not white middle income or upper income you really have a hard time. You really have a hard time and then you have to Dilbert with living in close quarters because of the cost of living in some communities and cost him housing is so high I mean no child should have to live like this, and so that's why we WanNa make sure we follow some of the recommendations from this report so that we can start addressing this in a holistic in an intersectional manner which we have to do if we're. GonNa. Lift children out of poverty and understand. One. Thing to that before we get into some of those solutions, I'm just one of the studies in this I found most striking was in a Pilo Os one, which is a journal called family poverty effects, rate of human brain growth, and you can actually measure in gray matter cells, which is a particular cell in children's brains is very important for for information processing and behavior regulation. When you look at kids in low medium and high socioeconomic status families there gray matter spurts the same and. Over time because what you're living under forces, your brain developed different ways, I mean we are literally pushing children's brains into different directions when you make them fight for survival and fear for what tomorrow will bring. Its unbelievably heartbreaking. It is because these physiological changes really determine a child's future and it if you if this occurs what happens to you when you grow up what happens to you in terms of quality of life, what kind of job are you going to be able to get what kind of skill set will you have? What kind of higher education or vocational training will benefit you to make a decent wage in standard women? So yeah, it it's very, it is immoral. It is quite disgraceful. It always strikes me as making such a hash of ideas of personal responsibility in just desserts. Because the things that when somebody seventeen or eighteen or twenty three, we're very happy to blame them for right. Did you get good grades? You know did you drop out of school? What did you come in every day at the right time to that job like? I've done a bunch of those things but if I had had my brain development way because I grew up in a house with a bunch of lead in it. I very well may not have any idea that like she can prize because my environment was conducive to healthy growth and other people should be punished for growing up in another one. It always makes me very strangely in American politics. You hear it all the time in Congress among your colleagues. You'll always here especially, Republicans say I don't believe in equality of opportunity believe in equality of opportunity, but actually making equality of opportunity where he'll is so unbelievably hard and so far from where we are that it, it becomes cynical. Yeah look at the young people in Flint I mean, just an example there are so many communities around the country that that had poisoned in their water lead in their schools in their homes. It's a disgrace. It is really. A health hazard and it's deadly. You know kids should not have to live under these circumstances not able to get clean water or. You know, take a bow have used bottled water or have to boil their water come on what kind of life is that in America, the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world it's shameful. Disgraceful. An everyone who has a conscience should stand up and say, no more we're going to deal would child poverty in a comprehensive way so that we can begin to turn this around The federal government has blocked access to abortion for people with low incomes for over forty years through the Hyde amendment a ban on abortion coverage that hurts people enrolled in Medicaid and other insurance programs enough is enough Joe Biden pledged to an ACL. You volunteer that he'd end the Hyde Amendment and if elected, we need him to follow through on that pledge the. Polls Show Biden ahead of trump with almost a twenty point lead with women. 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Love Karen, Oh and Mike. HADRIAN's from perfume genius. The jump is in original podcast from male and it's available on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts listen and subscribe now. What would our social policy look like if we truly invested in kids like what? What, what is the future we want to get all the way to here First of all I think would. Say. That every. Family should be guaranteed universal income. We should have a floor no-one should live below the poverty line and we certainly have enough resources of this country to guarantee universal income secondly should have universal preschool for every child. We should make it affordable or free re should make sure that Boots security is what it should be in terms of either increasing snap benefits or making some type of of strategy that incorporates addressing food deserts where families can't get to the grocery stores and just make sure that food is easily accessible healthy nutritious food Next, we have to have an I support Medicare for all universal. Affordable health care. I think single payer would be a heck of a lot more comprehensive in terms of addressing. Health Care for children childcare work, we need to make sure that our childcare workers are trained does they have benefits And are unionized and Especially during this pandemic, we have to make sure that they have access to that help needs that they have, and so I think we know how to do this tax credit. The child care tax credit is a good idea to give low-income families the same access to care without. Burden. So we know how to do this but we have to start with I think economic equality and and you can and we have to Mantle systemic racism because you see the disproportionate rates black and Brown children living below the poverty line. And that's where we should start ed valuing good. The dignity of all human beings and setting up policies that provide for a basic standard of living which we do not do in this country. One of the things that striking to me about that list is at if that sounds ambitious to you in and you're listening, it's worth noting that we already do a huge amount of that for seniors. There's universal healthcare program. There isn't social security something that looks a lot like a a universal basic income for seniors. The people who work with seniors pretty through Medicare very, very highly trained. We have this much more social democratic system for which we should, but we somehow have not extended almost any of that two children or for that matter often to parents of Children Medicaid for awhile or Medicaid is done work with her to the single mothers and young families but even making that more universal is recent and incomplete. Why do you think it is that there's been so much more success extending this kind of policy to elderly and not to American children where that investment is both cheaper and has a lot longer in somebody's life to shape them into shape their their. Successes well yes, and I think we need to do more for seniors because we still haven't totally stepped up to what we need to do in the twilight of one's life and I think our seniors deserve a heck of a lot more but we do have medicare social security but even those programs are in jeopardy and again it's the political leadership I. Now Donald Trump that really are trying to make it even more difficult for seniors, and so I think we have to talk about values, the values of of value, human life and human dignity regardless of how old you are and. the Children's Defense Fund and other organizations have been very active lobbyists with children but I don't see the type of money being put into lobbying for. That directly would lift children out of poverty that I have seen over the years when it came to our senior citizens and thank goodness they have an active lobby in Washington DC through AARP and other senior groups. But again, we need to value human dignity and human life and You know some of these right wing Republicans are so anti choice they want to make sure that women don't have. The full range of reproductive choices. Ah, that include access to abortion care but yet, they won't vote to take care of our young people once they're born. So as a real political struggle is a political problem but I think it all has to do with a valuing human life and value in human dignity and for some reason you know there's some some of those who just don't think children. Deserve what they deserve at the at the beginning of their lives so that they can move forward and be the productive. Human beings and and live healthy lives and take care of themselves and their families and and enjoy. Being. An American living in this country and so many are denied that opportunity. So so that's the the big picture vision. Tell me what the report recommended. That would cut child poverty in half in ten years. First of all, let me just say how much the report. showed us that it costs between eight hundred, million to one point one trillion. Okay due to an increase in crime diminished health outcomes of lower earnings. Now, imagine if we cut poverty and have that eight, hundred, two, trillion dollars we could do. Also we should increase the earned income tax credit so that more families can get a refund. We recommend a forty percent increase because so many families. Need that to pay their bills for their utilities and it's a decent refund that you get a couple thousand dollars same with the low income child tax credit. It gives low income families access to care without the financial burden because you get this tax credit at a berry with very minimal income and we've got sued mitigate the GAM as relates to communities of color and raise the minimum wage to really to a living wage. Also, there are several bills like Right now that we're working on. the rental visted moratorium. For example, in the midst of Kobe. Nineteen, we've got to have a ban and this wasn't in the report, but we've got to have a ban on ambitions and that would, of course, and after six months after the declaration the -mergency declaration ended but more children are falling into poverty now, and so we need to make sure that that we address housing because we don't more and more children fall into poverty also, of course, invest best in We want more investment in. Food stamps public assistance. Safety. Net, because most families don't want to rely on public assistance but when they have difficulties just arriving, then we should say, yes, our government, which is what happened when I needed my government's help taxpayer support is going to be there for you, and so we need to make sure that we increased. Access in the report mentioned snap benefits, and of course, healthcare for for our children and you know again it's it's an economic issue and this is a racist racial issued. Universal Preschool I mentioned earlier and I think Vice President Biden has a seven hundred, seventy, five, billion dollar plan. To mobilize the economy around care given, which is a lot of caregiving for our children. Head start you know my former district director was a graduate of hand start well, every year the Republicans try to cut it but we of course, Democrats increase it because the headstart program as work. So report. Indicates that we should increase resources for headstart and section eight badges and again boosting. The minimum wage, I think it was like ten dollars and twenty five cents fifteen thousand hours should be minimum I think ten to twenty five is still too low but even a boost from. Where it is now to ten, twenty, five is something but it's not significant enough again personally think that our families can. I lifted themselves out of poverty and their children out of poverty. So we we've got to get to the fifteen dollars. Minimum wage but then we have to move toward a living wage and a living wage in some areas is thirty, forty dollars an hour you know. So we have to look at a poverty how we? Re evaluate the formula for determining the poverty rates in the indices as relates to poverty. So the report goes into quite a few recommendations, but I think what we did was we went around the country we went to Texas we visited Wisconsin and other communities to look in some of the best practices and some of the programs that were working i. Remember one in and you have to dress the formerly incarcerated individuals and families because there's currently a stretched on Pell grants and snap eligibility for formerly incarcerated returning citizens, and we need to lift those bands so that they can take care of their families as they move back in after they have their time and we did talk to many people who Did, receive a second chance through a barbershop that we went to. And how they were lifting themselves out of poverty into the middle class by learning how to become Barbara's and having a barbershop which was organized by Burma. Inmates. So there many many legs to this but WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A. Childcare and we've gotTA have income. We've got address economic inequality in nothing report indicates that those are the best ways to do that and the child tax credit and the increase in the KC. Yeah and to to destroy things you are saying there. You'd mentioned that they're finding that child poverty costs America about eight, hundred, billion to one point one, trillion every year in increased crime worsen health lower earnings, and that's certainly an underestimate given. The can can't measure and none of these plans cost eight, hundred, billion to one point one, trillion a year. So like every researcher will tell you investing in children is a bargain. But one of the things report does talk about one of the impediments to doing this kind of social policy well in America has been. Racialist Way Congress has tended to make these programs really onerous. They put work requirements on them. They make them humiliating to apply for and something report really emphasizes is that they should be unconditional transfers that you want this money to reach the adults. So it reaches the children, and if you make hardly together, the children are the ones who suffer. So could you talk a bit about that about the way in which politically here the punitive way we treat and judge and racial retreat in judge adults in American, social policy has worsened child poverty or you put work requirements on. An adult. As it relates. To Eligibility? Justice. For snap benefits I about. Sixty percent believe it's sixty percent of people who are eligible for snap benefits are working first of all secondly. The, Konami dictates. What jobs would industries are available we have not invested job training and many many people especially black and Brown people have not found jobs under the trump administration and so if you can't find a job if you're doing everything, you can do it. Most people on who are eligible for these benefits are looking for a job. So it's not know what the administration paints, these lazy people. These are people who wanna work. And for whatever reason, they haven't been able to to get a good paying job, and so they should be eligible to be able to take care of their family and not have these onerous work requirements placed on them, eligibility requirements, and again, going back to the formerly incarcerated individuals. These people get out of prison with what two hundred dollars and yet they're not eligible to go back to school would pell grants or snap benefits and is extremely. Onerous and so what happens is children are the ultimate ones in the family who get hurt the most because they won't have enough to eat because their parents have been required to do what may not be possible and that's you know made the eligibility requirements for work and certainly in currently in this pandemic when so many people have been laid off and and so many jobs have gone away and we've done this in our legislation in the Appropriations Committee to get rid of these work requirements because it says to people that we don't believe you deserve to eat into sleep into live a decent life that and it's buried and again is very dehumanizing are also to people they have. To scrape like this in America and so these requirements need to go. If you ask me one of the policies report emphasizes that people may not be as familiar with as a child allowance, which is almost like simple set of put it as universal basic income for kids and they say that a twenty seven, hundred, a year child allowance would single handedly cut child poverty by a third. Let's a big effect and it's something that a lot of European countries have Canada has a child allowance. Can you talk about that as a policy option? Yeah, and that's a good policy option because we have a child allowance of Twenty, seven, hundred a year, and then if you have basic guaranteed income. And this is not a quote socialist concept, but this is guaranteed paycheck. A you know when you're unemployed with combined with the child allowance been, you could maybe come from underwater and move forward but as long as you're spinning your wheels. It's not gonNa work and when you have a child allowance such as this, then you have the resources to help you pay for childcare or help pay some of your utility bills or you can buy more food. I mean just again, this is just the basics twenty seven hundred is now banned much. But again you you find it the cost benefit analysis of that you would end up reducing the amount of taxpayer dollars that go or The social safety net. So it makes a heck of a lot of sense I. think we're GonNa have to get to that point in this country. I. I really believe that and you know it's going to be a political battle because you know they're gonNA, call us all kinds of names but who cares the we've got to take care of our children and our families. One of the things that this is all going to come in context of a new administration is just economy that has been functionally bombed out by covid nineteen. So how would a big investment of kids help get adults back to work? Is this something that could help get the economy moving again or is this something that is separate from that project? Now I would help academy going again because first of all, you have the health and safety of our children and adults at risk, and you have to take that into consideration also the economic impacts, and so for instance, childcare workers. Essential workers especially who are required to go to work unfortunately sometimes without the protective equipment that they need. They need help and caring for their children but yet their children could be exposed if the government quite frankly doesn't make sure that those health protocols of the childcare centers had the type of health protocols and are quick to do make sure that children's stay healthy. So we have to invest in childcare centers and in the individuals who own these child care centers because they're going under, and so you have a group of you central workers. Who need childcare childcare centers going under because they don't have children and yet we can't help the childcare centers become compliant so that the parents can safely leave their children in the childcare operators can safely take care of the children. So it it just doesn't make any sense was taking place. So you end up with even a deeper dive into poverty because so many more children are falling into the ranks of the poor because their parents. have been impacted by the pandemic. One hundred years ago. The nineteenth amendment protecting women's constitutional right to vote was ratified but American women's battle for the belt began Hong before then and continues it continues to this day on she votes a new podcast from Media Network Award winning journalist Lynn, share, and Ellen. Goodman. Unravel the complex history the women's suffrage movement from the unintended limits of the nineteen amendment to the return of voter suppression. She votes shares a historical narrative. 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Not have reliable care because you can't always get it not be able to lean on family who may be you already had and I wonder. If there's not some kind of solidarity that could come out of this because a lot of people are seeing that when you don't have the ability to make sure children cared for your ability to work your ability to move ahead at work your ability to be productive all those things that we end up patting ourselves on the back for doing this we. Were lucky enough to be moving up the economy like that really depends on child care and the fact that so many people do not have the capacity to rely on that that's happened. Thomas everybody during the pandemic, but it often strikes me the what's happening so many during the pandemic is simply what normal life is like for a lot of people outside the pandemic unfortunately, this pandemic has become in many respects like like you summarize it an equalizer and I think. Coming out of this I, think they'll be a greater sensitivity to what low income families have to deal with each and every day. And I think that this gives us an opportunity to form broader political coalitions. and. Talk about suburban white housewives or suburban wipe mothers are single MOMS who haven't had to deal with this because they'd had access to opportunity and good paying jobs will now you know we need to work with them to make sure they understand. This is how it is for us all the time and I think that's sensitivity is there but also added to that of so many kids who are not in school for the right reasons don't have access to broadband and a lot of you know people who had jobs if they did not lose their jobs, they've got access to broadband and can telecommute, and so a lot of people are beginning to see the disparities in tech as it relates to access technology. With low income children because there is no way if you don't have access to broadband that you can do online classes and there is no way if you don't have access to broadband that you keep a job that requires this and and so yeah, I think it gives us unfortunately it is take so much death and and pain to help people understand the condition of others in I think does present an opportunity to to build a stronger coalition around eliminating child poverty. And will be a reminder in a way that investing in kids is also investing and adults taking care of children is also taking care of adults. I think that's a part of this conversation that often gets lost sure because you invest in kids. You're you're helping parents make sure that they're able to go to go to work without a lot of worry. They're able to come home and their children have been in school and they've learned something. Yes. We'll need help with their homework, but it won't be as difficult because they've had a good day at school and you you don't have to worry about your child being safe. You don't have the again going back to gun violence. You know making sure the guns are taken off the streets. You don't have to worry about You know kids being shot at school if we had a better gun control laws. And and so yeah, it taking care of children relieves a lot of the stress and strain. On. Parents again, referring to my personal experience, it was difficult to be. Trying to figure out how I could study go to classes. I was on work study active as a community worker with the Black Panther. Party. And Take my children and all of that going on at one time and had money you know I could have had more childcare. Would relieve me from some of the pressure. But we may do. Their phenomenal young men but as so many especially. So many single moms don't have bad network and that support system in place to be able to juggle and it it creates more stress and more really for the family. We tendency in in American politics to lionize stories like yours to say well, look comfortable Barbara Lee. Through all that. So it's it's yourself up by your bootstraps. Remember President George W Bush talking about somebody WHO's working I think it was three jobs and saying what a what a great American story. What did we miss when we do that? If you were able to come through that and become a member of Congress, why why's any action here needed at all now way first of all nobody should have to go through what I went through in my whole life has been dedicated to fighting to remove the barriers. So people don't have to go through what I went through. It it's hell and you do not want your friends and your family members and your country to go through this and so It's by the grace of God. Here you. Hours able to make. At it took a lot of stuff in a lot of trauma associated with it and so I, there's no way you. Could Bill yourself up by your bootstraps in this country if you don't have any boots and this country has got to strengthen its safety and foundation so that women and men can move forward right now the too many barriers and I know that and so you can't tell me that. Women especially, don't try to break through these barriers, but it's the stemming. The barriers are structural stemming, and again as I look back, I don't even know how I did. I. Have No clue and I. All I know is my whole life is about trying to make sure other others don't have to go through what I went through Britannia couple of days after Vice President Biden named Senator, Kamala Harris to be vice president. You're an early endorser of Senator Harris she from. Oakland. Were you representatives go a prosecutor in our? District Attorney I'm sorry in this area and he got static when you endorsed her from some progressives, tell me a bit about the the the Harris what what what should people who did not come political agent in the area that she did know about her well I I I'm please. Let me tell you. I am so excited and happy that Vice President Biden selected. Her as his running mate with as vice president because they're great partnership and she someone who I know is is prepared she smart. She connects with people she knows the struggle of everyday folks and She's a real woman. She also brings for a really good of what Progressive Politics brings and why we need to have a at least minimum wage of fifteen dollars an hour or address climate change or address criminal justice reform and racial justice. Her experiences has been phenomenal and as for her to be in the situation room, and in the Cabinet Room, I feel comfortable to know that she's going to be bad boys this going to. Bite to break down some of the structures in this country that based on racism and economic inequality. She's a phenomenal woman. Yes. I was really proud to be I think it was the first member. CONISTON. Doors Comma when she ran for the presidency and she was born in Oakland. She is a woman who again crosses it. You know we talked about sexuality. You know South Asian African American. She's a woman who knows has been attorney general of largest state and country she has management skills as well as as a vision for where this country needs to go, and so I'm hoping that everyone will vote for the ticket and as a progressive and as a former coach of the Progressive Caucus and former. Co Chair of the blackout former chair, the Blackhawks and just saying that this is her moment, and this is the moment for us to begin to dismantle the old structures and systems in this country and move toward transformation and I know that Kamla wants to do back as vice president. So I'm excited and I'm really happy and we just have to do the work between now and November and make sure that The trump regime is cleared out of that White House because we can't afford another four years when one of the question on this is something that's been striking to me is that there's been a lot of pushback on Harris from from folks on the left even though she is one of the two or three most liberal voting records in the Senate you're somebody who's long been a hero to progressives. What do you think you see about her that that some of them don't or why do you think there is this Disconnect between The way sort of Harris herself self the way she's the way our voting record looks but also the. Discomfort a lot of people on the left half with her well. I've been progressive on my life I Co Chair the Progressive Caucus Chair, the congressional black caucus work for the greatest aggressive warrior whose father of coalition Politics Ron. Dellums. Compromised Progressive District but I always have known and have fought the issue of race with the Progressives. Sometimes, race is not seen as a factor, a progressive factor, and so I'm not sure if it's an issue of of not seeing a black woman as being progressive enough. Or what the issues are, because you know nobody's perfect one hundred percent. But when you look at her voting record when you look at what she stands for when you look at how she relates to people and understand where this country needs to go for low income for poor people middle class. You know she's a person who's GonNa take who has and will take on these sites. So I'm not sure what this is It's in many ways for me disappointing but I'm GonNa keep working. I'm going to be working very hard to make sure they get elected and I'm GonNa talk to progressives and try to understand at a deeper level. What is about this African American London that concerns them. So deeply and I'm sure though that they at least understand the that she wants to protect our democracy and that she will protect our democracy in the she will prosecute the heck out of this administration during the campaign, and then with their help she will win and I'm just hoping we can unify with. Progressives and with Biden, Harris ticket to win and to win big because. You know I'm astonished progressive. And I always be progressive because the progressive agenda is an agenda that the entire country is embracing and when you break down what progress the politics really means when you're talking about fifteen dollars, an hour climate change where you're talking about addressing taken on the big banks, the oil companies. Harrah's done Alvis and so you know we've got to really understand what a progressive agenda means for the country and I do believe that. She reflects positions based on our progressive policies in progressive agenda I know run another time. Let me end by asking you the question you stand the show, which is what if he books you've read that have influenced you the US. Others right now Zelina Williams end of white politics please reback tiffany woods. Say It loud. And of course, Brian Seat Stevenson. Just mercy. You know I'm working on my truth racial healing. Transformation Commission Legislation H R one hundred and reparations forty and You know we've gotTA getting context the historical the historical context for systemic racism and reading these books really lay out the issues from four hundred and one years ago from when the first enslaved people were brought to America's shores and why you save for example, and no, the black and Brown. Men and women are killed disproportionately by the by police officers the manifestation of racism, and so I think these books kind show that trajectory that link from four hundred years ago. till today when you look at the disproportionate rates of African Americans, dying from Covid Nineteen, for example, people don't make the connection to four hundred one years ago in the middle passage. So I think these books kind of. Set the tone for why systemic racism has got to be dismantled and disrupted, and so I would encourage everyone to read them. They're great books Congresswoman Barbara. Lee, thank you very much. Okay. Nice. Talking with you. Thank you all. Thank you congressman Lee for being here. Again, you can get more from the series at box dot com slash the dash great test rebuild I'm thinking to the media network being our partners here that Russia Karma for awesome research on this episode to Jeffey Guelph producing and editing is required show vox media podcast production.
Rep Sheryl Kennedy on Opening Up Schools During Covid 19
"I there were taking a break for our sponsor. Anchor Dot FM let me tell you a bit about anchor They have a creation tool set are free like you can. create your own podcast using an edit that podcast using your phone or your computer? They'll distribute through podcast for you on spotify Apple. Or many other podcast hope hosts, and you may even make money off your podcasts. With no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast one place. Download anchor for free. By getting their APP IN INKER DOT FM to get started and we're using it. And hopefully he will to thank you very much and will resume our. Our Program. Okay here we go. This is Arthur. Bush you're listening to Radio Free Flint and today I have a marvelous guest for a change. No kidding this time. She's really good and her name is Cheryl Kennedy and she is from my old stomping grounds in the north part of the county clio. She's from the pile Mount Morris Davison area. That's the district she represents. And her name Shero, Katie and she I wanNA. Get you guys in on a secret. Many years ago. Genesee county had a guy named bobby grim, who they named road race after actually he started. He became this week dowse and guess where he was from. What's her Davison any teacher? Here and he was from Davison. So I have big expectations for you. Michelle that you. Very well could become speaker now. In my research. Being that I'm a trained investigator. I learned that you've gotten off to a pretty good start near I. Turn based on my. Son My experienced education? Tell us about that started down there. Well Don't be. Saved I came to the. House I was. You know I have to be elected and and really believe in keeping a laser focused on outcomes that comes from you know being an administrator and public school as you've got. You're looking at the data, and you're looking at the outcomes that you wanna see your school. Achieve and I didn't feel any differently about the forty eighth district so and I also know that I am term limits. I only have six years to accomplish everything I need to accomplish as a representative, so we didn't hit the ground running. and I also knew that I was learning on the job. Because I don't come from policy I don't. I didn't come from local government Iran. education and pro-labour agenda, and so I had to figure out how to be an effective legislator while I was learning how to be a legislator of. So you also coming from a job that Alaska, which was a pretty good job in pretty good job. Right neighborhood, too. I might add. A great job in INS. What I always tell folk says that I freeze me up to do the work that I feel. I need to do without getting too buried into the politics, because already had my dream job in. That's when I was the middle school, the principal Geisler middle school and wild late. And we did a Lotta and that was a squirrel that needed a lot of work, and we turned it around and made great things happen there, so that was my dream job. I've I've had that dream job. So this now is just making sure that I can help support other folks who are in my same position and all of our students teachers. You know throughout the state regardless of where students learn. To have a spat on education, so you know I've interviewed probably fifty people on this show so far. Almost all of them. They they are so humble and modest back. One guy interviewed after I hung up the phone and I was looking to get a picture for him. And found out, he was the grand national champion. BMX Racer from Flint Michigan. At one. He went national championship in Oklahoma while places. and. So, they're all modest in definitely are starting out that way I'm not GonNa, let you do that way. Break a new a little bit. This young lady here. She has started out. In in in one of the best of the best committee, if you WANNA put it that way in the legislature, which is the Appropriations Committee? She went straight to where the money was. Good. And she did. What good prosecutors do they go? find the find the money. And then she got herself appointed as the school aid and education committee member. Dole south the money. Along with the Republican colleagues might add On that committee, she also serves as the vice chair of the Agriculture Committee. And if anybody knows. Anything about Michigan. Agricultural pretty big stuff next automobiles on especially in the fortieth district. We've got and then if you WANNA look at the next biggest budget. It's the directions budget after the actually might be the biggest. At this point, I'm not sure it was. Educations, larger, education, and then A. Department of VHS helping Human Services. Crashes. We did spend more money for a while. When my armor classmate John, batchelor was governor, we did spend more money on corrections and we did education at one point, so you're telling me that's turned around. Status turned around Yup. Eventually in fact, we are going in a great direction when it comes to corrections very very proud of. Of the the philosophy behind her corrections department right now now getting back to your skill, somehow you ended up getting on the committee to two of the largest budgets in the state government. How that happened! I believe in discernment and I really went back and forth between policy and appropes. And couldn't make up my mind, and so I spoke to people who went before me like Pam Ferris and We'd former lieutenant, Governor John Cherry and not my colleague John, Cherry. That's that's her son, but former. Lieutenant Governor John Kerry and our current leader Chris Greg. And tried to fit my talents to where I could do. The most have the most service I love I love appropriations, which a lot of people don't they kinda? Roller is when they year the word, but in my mind I have The fire burning in my belly was to make sure that every single penny of taxpayer dollars is supposed to go. Go to public schools goes to public schools. And I knew for my experience that we've got an awful lot of people who have their hand out for those public school dollars that are not related to public schools. I'll be speaking about this at length on the House floor tomorrow. as we're facing some really horrible legislation that glimpse trying to push through. As a response to Kobe and is just a power. Grab some. Of the things that I noticed and Having worked in the legislature at age. having been around politics most all my life. the poor patients where the action is. It is and this league. Right here in the middle of it. To See what I love about appropriations. Is You get to see the system of government because we re support with our resources what we value? And we see what we value in appropriations, and we see how the different departments interact, and we see the system of government, clearly so I love appropriations. You know years ago before we have this. This setup in the legislature would term limits. It would take you a lifetime to get on the Appropriations Committee. And then I've always amazed at who back to be chairman of the the Appropriations Committee. Over the years I knew most of those guys. 'cause I was friends with them and And so over the years they you know they got promoted. Most as we had. A guy called the Jacob Eddie from the UP They called him the Godfather. And he ran the place within here this some more powerful than the governor might have been. One of the things you've done in which I assume near Ogden in right now recently up is you got appointed to a committee by? Governor Gretchen Whitmer, which is to be an advisor to the governor along with other experts on the reopening of schools in wake of this corona virus. About that position, and what what you're up to yeah, so I did I we continue to. Meet and that committee we had a hard deadline of June thirtieth of getting the roadmap. Put Out, so we were working with national experts in school aberrations epidemiology. Epidemiology specifically epidemiology in school settings because schools are spread germs very differently than say people go into work at GM. Tactic just by the nature, developmental nature, little ones, and so working with those healthier, those epidemiologist and operations experts Then we had representatives from malls different aspects. Everything from you know superintendent. Level Teachers Students. Administrators from each each level of school elementary middle. School High School. I served a dual purpose of looking through the policy lands. Ends legislature later, but also having recently been administrator, and so I, actually ended up on the operations subcommittee and the Policy Subcommittee of that group and what I was pleased with how much we agreed upon Listening to what science is telling us and what we know works, and what we know doesn't work. I thought that allow. There'd be a lot of disagreement amongst those of us. who were in the committee? Actually it was led brilliantly and And I we came I. Mean really the Roadmap is pretty much a consensus of what what we agreed. Was the meant to be guardrails? It wasn't meant to be over-prescriptive. It's not meant to be you know. A checklist of this is what you need to to open school. It was really an. Meant to be guardrail, so the local districts could look at their current circumstances, and the needs of their communities, which vary differently throughout Michigan and their current resources and say this is the fit that works for us, but minimum late mental molly. We have to have at least this in place in order to open our face for phase three face by whatever. Was Air this been. Yeah. Yes schools schools going to start now. The question is and what form Some schools are going to wait and see maybe the first marking period to see. feel more comfortable about having in person instruction other districts like mine and we've got a lot of those essential workers that they've been working through this entire covert experience, and they need to childcare provided. They need food assistance all those other. Social Roles that public schools provide and so there's a safety aspect of making sure that that kids are cared for and taken care of while their parents are going to work in serving those essential roles so in our district. That's a big part of the conversation as well as you know. How do we keep germs from? Spreading is making sure that we don't have little ones. Watching littler ones at home because mom and dad don't have. A safety nut for childcare so certain. Things are taken into consideration. Okay. Does your district goal over to flushing as well or is? Now used to yeah you stay, but now it's a Mutt Ross. Is My farthest, West. Community, but it's, but it's north of flushing, not including -freshing. When you walked into an you been in lansing now by ear half. It's quite a place to work. I love it. Is Very exciting. Tell me your reaction when you first walked in and saw those big ceilings. Reaction Everyday when I walk into that into the end of the House floor. I'm a history buff in so one of the things I learned was that our desks star the original desks? You know so. I love just touching my desk and think of all of the other legislators who stand at dusk and touch that desk and maybe slept on the desk when we have those two to three am. Stashes that. Go on forever. Accounted the desk. I'm really I just I'm in awe of of the history. That I'm surrounded by, and and we always say you know. He's done and shoulders of giants, I think that you know, you can't not feel bad when you're serving a house floor and representing your community, the community I grew up in their generally grew up in in so It's a huge responsibility and I do. I do try to taken the vibe for now now and again. If I have to kind of think about well, you know what a privilege to serve here now now I forgot to ask you the most important question. No correct the appropriations committee dose out. How much though? Much money. Gas! Forty billion dollars I think is what our budgets. She said billion, yeah. So everybody's nice to when you're dealing. Out Forty billion dollars. And so when you were in that? When you're in that place. In the old days the reason they call them lobbyists. Can tell the story, but. He may have changed things since I was there, but they used to hang out in the lobby. Chambers is. I don't think they'll ever change. And and so, how how? How was dealing with lobbyists I was that. It's fine One of the things that I said you know coming in early on when you meet with everybody, you know you can't go through your first few months. Meet and greets and what I shared with everyone is if you wanna get to know first of all, my door is open to everyone In even if we are more politically on opposite sides of an issue traditionally, but there's something that we can connect on. My door is always open number two is. Don't give me the slick piece of paper with pretty pictures in the grass. I WANNA see the research behind the pretty pictures in the graph. So if you're trying to convince me to change my mind about something I need more than just. A pretty picture a graph I wanna see what what research your position has based on, and I'll read the research because I'm a researcher so I've got no problem reading research on my own and coming up with my own conclusions, and so that's the burden is too IF THEY WANNA change, my mind about something as they have to convince me in a way that speaks to data speaks to science speaks to quality research, and once everybody understood that then the, and they realized how accessible I really am willing to be accessible to folks then is. is about building relationships and I try to build the relationships with everybody and I think I've developed. A relationship with the lobby is a straight shooter. I'm going to be honest I don't flip flop. I believe what I believe because you. You know I'm demonstrated that I. that's the smartest way to go and serve my community in the best way and and so I, think that you know people knowing affair shooter and I'm willing to compromise willing to work across the island willing to do whatever I need to do to make life better for. Now you grew up in. You grew up in Genesee, county and Tusla bit about where where you're from and in your background that way or might actually. I grew up in Davison. My Mom. Is a sixth generation resident of the area. Like my six times. Great grandfather was buried less than a mile from my house. And his his father was in the revolutionary war. So that tells you how deep though my mom's roots go to the area. My Dad is a very typical flint A story in that his parents were Hungarian immigrants. He settled in the Saint John's district. He didn't speak English until he was five. Infidelity! My grandmother was pregnant with him on the boat over He was born in one thousand eighteen, so so he grew up in flint met wonderful. Rich experience imigrants experience, but what I learned from his story. was that the role that public. Local health and government played in lifting up his community, and also the rule that General Motors played in moving him to the middle class, and also UAW and so when he was in eighth grade, he went to flint northern when he was in eighth grade general. Motors couldn't import their engineers from Germany. And around the world they had to build their own engineers, and he was actually tested by General Motors in eighth grade, and was found to be pretty. Challenging math and science, and so he would go to school all day, and then he would go to extension classes that were offered through General Motors so that by the time he was eighteen He was already on that half. Now now we call those stackable credentials where someone starts with a certificate and grows He retired after forty two years at General Motors as a designer he raised. Five kids, we all have. College degrees some of advanced degrees. We grew up in Davidson Very. middle-class experienced it I. Mean I watched mad men is kind of you know it takes me back to what it was like growing up. We had one car. All the men carpooled. Driving to AC, you know and. How many siblings at four so I'm the youngest of? Five boys and girls. At three girls, two boys and the oldest. Now oldest to graduated from Flint Central. My my brother was actually flint central. India he was a Mascot Flint, central and he graduated in sixty six from Flint Central, and then my other brothers and sisters they moved. We moved to Davis when they were like twelve ten. You participate in activities that at Davidson High School. Oh, yeah, I, was always a music kid, so I was in the musicals and ended up being the choir director at Davidson High School. You know as a professional I took over after my teacher retired and and taught in the same classroom. I grew up in so. Yeah, the my background, so as a teacher I was a coral music teacher. Beautiful. Just off whilst the former state, Senator Jack Facts who is a great singer and and. There are a lot of great singers in. The House right now and I think you have to be a little bit of an actor to do this job. For sure. Well in any event you moved along from Davis in. High School. And you went onto college. Where did you go to school at the? My undergrad was actually in Seattle Washington. Seattle has a huge opera and so I was at that time. Torn between performance and education. So I just had a really unique experience going to a very small liberal arts college in Seattle, and had some cool experiences internships with opera. Scene Out there, and then realized I did not want to ever be and I say I love teaching, and so I moved back home to Michigan. Career in are made a Michigan a for I moved Davidson. City Seattle is my son lives out there. It's great, beautiful place, and then and then you did you. Where did you get your PHD from Open University here? Rush again all right very good. So, you've been a teacher now. One of the things that was impressive to me because. I've worked with a lot of candidates and public officials many years specially trying to get him elected. And I just loved how you set what your priorities were. You're able to tell me probably got to memorize, but I wanna try I WANNA try. So one of the things she says she has priorities in an equals mom. Second Passion. She's passionate. Principal. Lifetime educator. Wholehearted advocate and I love that last one that was great, wholehearted advocate Tell us a little bit about your mom. Your you you. The mom me the man. Well. I've raised three children, but. I feel like I've raised. About ten thousand children over the course of thirty years than in public schools and I view my mind district very much in the same way that. I view. I view taking care of my my students and families one. I was the principal. I, when I was running, I talked about. Representative isn't about just. Legislation is also about leadership. And the Ma'am side of it I. Think Mom's great leaders. MOMS make great leaders. and. When you win win! I studied leadership in my graduate work. there are a lot of of things that aligned between am what I, my role, as a mom, and a wife, my role as an administrator, and now taking that those readership talents, and serving my mind, greater community, and you have some hobbies or interests outside of your professional life. Yeah well, you know. Music is now my hobby. It used to be my profession. And when it was in my profession, people would say what kind of music do you enjoy listening to and I'd say the news because I spent my whole day. You know six hours a day playing the piano and having to analyze really you know v critical of the music that we're trying to create. Now I can actually sit down and enjoy just playing the piano and singing in church singing in small groups and. And and don't have to be perfect and I. Don't have a big. Production coming up I can just enjoy it. I loved I just love being with my family. My oldest son is. Serving. In the Molise right now. He's a captain in Michigan National Guard. And my other son is. An seminary he's. We're getting ready to move to Tennessee and a few days. He'll be going to seminary and hopefully be Kamaruddin doesn't fiscal crease. And then my daughter is going to be a student at Matt next next foucault so So. I just. Spending time with them I. don't even care what we're doing. You know it's there might do boys or married, and so just having some time I'll do whatever they want, and do you know I really? Don't outright a roller coaster ride roller coasters outright roller coasters just so that we're spending family time 'cause. or Are, you a reader? I am a non fiction reader. To read biography or Biographies History anything. About Women in leadership. Any recommendations for more recent books. You might read that you liked. I was late to the game of reading a Michelle Obama's book. And so I'm just I'm about halfway through that. and. I'll tell you it's funny. I'm such a nerd. But I love management books. Because I love organizational psychology, and especially in in the really strange world that I live in right now just. always I've always analyzing the the behaviors of humans when they're. In social settings, so and so there's a great because five dysfunctions of a team. And it really lays out. You know how we get it wrong when we're trying to work as a group and come to common goal and I refer to that book. Probably a hundred times a day when I'm analyzing how the politics interact in different individuals, and their personalities interact a house floor, so I just heard i. can't i. wish I'd had something flashier talk about my dad's stuff. About Yourself, that's pretty important to me and the rest of the people that are good for you, and it's pretty normal than me Let me. Ask you a couple. Other questions one of the things that's posted the hearts with people. And I might tell you. I just found out that spend eight hundred dollars to fix the front end my chuck. Because, he hit a pothole someplace long line. Now in Michigan. Say. I only retreat. Deplore gets too cold here. Now. You oppressively the first thing I learned about you was that he actually got some money for the dam road to fix the worst road in Montrose. Is You describing? Where there worst road wasn't Montrose, but they always tech crappy roads out there. What have you been up to with getting the roads fixed? Well that was one of those things that that. I really just helped what I love to do is help connect our local governments with access to grants and other opportunities that already exist in state government. So I didn't have to pass a law. I didn't have to convince anybody to do anything. All I had to do with assist the local city of Matt Rose Hey. There's a grant out there that I think you could be successful at. My staff will help you any way we can to help you. Write the grant if you need it. And I will write a letter of support, and I will make the phone calls that I need to make to make sure people are wing is on the grant, and then Lo and behold. They received the grant, and it was important because it was a road piece of road. Everybody drives on, but it was kind of one of those little pieces of road that nobody wants to claim to fix you know there's always this kind of corners that the city thinks belongs to the township in town of things that belongs to the city and they all you know it was one of those and so. In rows are so expensive and small towns like Matt, rose can't afford you know the two million dollars. It takes to to repave a road correctly, so I was through to just facilitate that and how them Help them be successful. Jumping ahead of anybody either that road was rated crappy by the Michigan the. Transportation however bad, it was bad. It was and then. Similarly with Richfield. We have A. we have a landfill. In richfield township and that again I didn't have to pass a law to fix this problem I. Just had to facilitate getting all the people in the room that could come up with a solution, and that included people from Eagle. And amd are and MSU extension all of the in our local our local township. Supervisors County Commissioners and we sat in a room and it was essentially. I gave them the burden. No, saying look. We're not leaving this room until we come up with a solution for the pizzas that are leaking the groundwater right next to the Holloway Reservoir. That's not okay and we have this abandoned site beds. That were running out of money. For you know just kind of what we've been doing is draining the water tree in the water running out of money so once we were able to get everyone in the room and todd kind of review what the problem was a review. What a potential solution! Wise! The solution was to camping with a bunch of play, but of clay cap on on this leaky landfill site. which is expensive. And Lo and behold township, just to the south of rich township happened to build this lake callous a few years ago, and they didn't have a place to put their clay, so there's this mountain of Clay Clean Clay Davidson Township, and we need a mountain of play an a cap to Cap wiki land so enrich yield township, so we thought. Oh great problem solve well. Then we found out. It was GONNA cost one point one million dollars to move the clay from Davidson Township eight miles north. To richfield township, and and just spread it, and to seed it and do everything we need to do to make it work so then once again. I just went to Eagle and advocated Eagle. Article is who eagle is. Is Our as our water. Land Environment The to be not DNR Easter be. Their mental quality. Chew and all those. kind of combined so went to Eagle instead I need. I need an estimate of how much this is. GonNa be eyesight originally. When they said Oh you know, we just have to move the clad dot, probably eighty, thousand one hundred thousand dollars. We've got that in the budget already. And then they came back and they said. Eight hundred thousand dollars and I own now. We're never going to begin, and then then I two weeks later, they said No. We just changed. The estimate is now point one million dollars. So. Both and I also worked with Gary Peters. Gary Peters, and his staff to and Dan Kildee thinking we might have to look at the federal dollars that we were able to do it right out of our state money money that's already set aside for that purpose through our department at UCLA. touchtone yes, yeah. I am so proud of that now. You've only been there eighteen months this amazing stuff. This is not normal. Above normal. All right one last thing I want to talk about I happen to. I'll tell my bias most my friends know it. I am a huge fan of Gratton Gretchen whitmer. She is just what we need at this moment and. She has more than one good idea in that more than one good idea is deal with Michigan's. Horrific. Situation with education, and and when we look historically at Michigan. we, we always had great schools always had great schools at Great better colleges. And one of the things that jumped off the page while I was doing research for some of these legislative interviews I'm doing was that Michigan ranks in the bottom third of states in attaining college diploma. And in that's. Serve recent phenomenon. And in in education general we're with. We figure about last in the nation in funding over the last twenty five years for all lower Eight hundred twelve. But we don't have enough teachers. And, we spent A. Decade and a half of declaring war on the teachers. Trying to steal their pension monies and all that, and so in the an obviously when you don't spend money in the classrooms, the performances students declines. Noticeable and it is noticeable. Correlated, so we can see the decline in student outcomes. The decline in investment. Question to you is Governor Gretchen. What she did and what you helped do so far was put on the on the plainfield. They called the play. The play was called. Let me see if I got the name of down here. It's called Miami. Or am I offer to of. My opportunity in my reconnect. Are So I. saw you standing next to Gretchen in? You had the microphone and she was listening, so tell me what you had to say. So my opportunity in my reconnect are to. create an opportunity for those stackable credentials that we talked about earlier. So one of the things growing up in Davison in the seventies. We had a lot of skilled trades workers, and that we had professional folks and everyone was a middle class. You don't pretty much middle class and they gave her dance lessons and piano lessons and pass to the Davison. Pool for their kids. And it was a safe community and parents go meet with their principal if they if they needed to and and the community I live in now and I don and for years is People are working just as hard as they did. When I was growing up, but they're working for two minimum wage jobs because they don't have credentials, they have high school education and there's no path way to that next step in once you get started in your adult life. It becomes more and more difficult to pay for. Your home and food and gas for your car and also pay for even even a community college education, so my opportunity provides for last dollar. Funds after pell grants and everything else. You still have to apply and get all that federal money, and then by opportunity in my reconnect fill in that gap between those those dollars you get from your best, the and then what you? Need to complete your credentialing and a credential could be a certificate that you could get and one semester, but that certificate band could lead to an associate's degree, which could to a bachelor's degree, and it's about making sure that we have a pathway to the middle class through education through post, high school education opportunities for eighteen to twenty four year old, and my reconnected for twenty five year olds so essentially you're. The idea that Governor Whitman passed in that you joined. You're trying to achieve. is to make education a more affordable. Many of these kids excess accessible. vesicles. The. Only, the second time has gone on. That means that we have to. We have to wind up. So, so you're trying to make education more affordable lease for the first couple of years. They WANNA. Keep going of your story altogether. But ultimately you WANNA raise the educational levels of people in the community, so they can get jots is your if they they have jobs? This is the thing that people don't. Is People have jobs. They work really really hard. They had two jobs. And they still have to rely on section eight assistance and and bridge cards and other assistance, because those two jobs aren't enough to support a family. Even minimally. So that that tap dancing, you hear, hear the background. That's Charlie. He's my Brittany. and. He's sleeping about barking at meetings. He knows when it's time to end the show. He's been trained when he hears that that. I WanNa ask you another question because I know a lot of us. Are Big Gretchen Whitmer fans. So, what's it like what she likes in end? Tell us a little bit about it. So I would say she is exactly the way you see her when she does her press conferences is the way she is in person. She is pragmatic she. Is Very smart and funny. They're really funny. and came to the office to serve genuinely she was not like me. She never liked planned on being governor. It just came to a point where she kind of looked around, and said well, if not me, who and so, and that's the way she leads She's I can call. I can call governor Whitmer and speak to her She checks in on all of us. you know I talked? About a week ago. and. She was just checking in. Cheryl, just Colin check an end. How's it going? You know we're working on a lot of educational things collaboratively and talked about that talked about election talked about a lot of talk about personal things, and she's just a super strong lady, and she's brilliant when it comes to the her political. Like she knows what the heck she's doing and I. I respect I really respect that because. I Republican leadership thought they could just steamroll over her like they did. There are previous Republican governor and she made it very clear sheet. She taught them how she expected to be treated. and. And it wasn't easy. They made it they made it. You know it wasn't easy. It wasn't a cakewalk block and she knew what she is doing and she was successful saw. Yeah, well, you know my sister and I my sister Pat who lives up in northern Michigan while we're both big big buffs of mackinac island, so we usually go there. A lack. So. She asked me one day. Have you ever been the governor's mansion? While of course over Dominion Years, I worked in government is going to go there many times. But for whatever reason I just never went A. And, so she dragged me over there to the governor's mansion in. We did the tour wonderful to by the way. And Gretchen had moved in with her family and decorated it up a little bit, and she's got good taste by way can tell her I said. And It's a great spot, and hopefully we live in a great state. And a senior. It's in good hands so. Is there anything you want to say? Signed an outgoing out on the on the trail next. Well. Let's say that let's say you're. I am up for election and we need to flip four seats in the House of Representatives from red to blue and man. I can be in the majority. If I'm in a majority, there's a good chance I might be leading our K.. Twelve appropes committee next term, which is is really my goal. My goal is to be era case while the probes, so that I can work alongside a great governor and collaboratively we can create a fair and equitable and fully funded. Public. Education so so your district again. Forty Eighth District, which is Davidson township north to forest township west to Matt Rose, and it also includes genesee. Right on the way, Matt rose. You go through play in Denver Yana. be. Forgive my old neighborhood. Irresistible there. The it's been a pleasure to meet you I. I've never met her before the survey by the way all of my friends out there listening and I am. Jordan narrowly impressed with your just your credentials, but the passion that you have and the. And the fact that you got on the Appropriations Committee in your first week in the legislature is like an amazing thing to me. I cannot believe. so you have tremendous leadership skills take care. Keep in touch with us. And we'll. We'll check in with you once in a while I'd like that very much. Good luck on the campaign trail same.
Wednesday, April 10, 2019
"From Washington DC. This is Westwood One daily news for April tenth twenty nineteen. I'm John trout. Attorney general William bar is back on Capitol Hill today after a sometimes contentious hearing yesterday before a house committee correspondent Linda Kenyon has our top story. The hearing before a house appropriations panel was supposed to focus on the Justice department budget for fiscal year twenty twenty but the bulk of the hearing was dominated by something quite different. This attorney general we go down this hearing without mentioning the elephant in the room democrat Jose, so Rana who chaired the hearing was referring, of course, to the mullahs report summarized by the attorney general himself, all we have is your four page summary, which seems to cherry pick from the report Representative Nita Lowey who heads the larger house appropriations committee had many questions for William bar did the White House. See the report before you released you assemble rising letter has the White House seen it since. Then have they been briefed on the contents beyond? What was in your summarizing letter to the judiciary committee? I said what I'm going to say about the report today. And here's what he said my original timetable of being able to release this I mid April stands in other words within a week. But Barr says the Muller report from the special counsels Russia probe that he will release to the public will be redacted. And we'll be the same report he releases to congress not acceptable says Representative Jerrold Nadler who heads the House Judiciary committee. If we don't get everything we will issue the subpoena and go to court Representative Denny heck a member of the house intelligence committee says well established protocols or replace so congress can view the kind of material the attorney general plans to redact twice a week. I go three floors below the capitol building in which I'm standing I go through three Bank vault doors. I give up my electron IX in receive top secret briefings on the most sensitive of information Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell trust, the attorney general Senate, minority leader Chuck Schumer doesn't Gus far. I don't think bar has. Conducted himself in a manner that earns peoples trust the attorney general sits for a second round of questioning today. This time before panel of the Senate appropriations committee and for the second day in a row. The hearing is expected to be dominated by the mullahs report, and whether congress will get to see the entire document. Anything more about it until the report is out. Randy Kenyon, Washington saying he is not looking at reinstituting separating families at the border when they enter illegally or seek asylum. President Trump pointed to his predecessor as the person to blame for that much criticized policy. Bob Constantini, explains. A president since he's not purging the department of homeland security and with reports he is seeking to revive the separating of families at the border. He only says he's not looking at doing it. President Obama had child separation now tell you something once you don't have it. That's why you see many more people coming that coming like, it's a fix Nick because let's go to Disneyland. Mr. Trump clearly thinks the policy might be a deterrent separations of children from adults during the Obama presidency occurred when there was some question as to whether a child actually was family of the adult it was not broad policy. Then I'm the one that stopped it the Trump administration's policy of separating families had brought criticism from. Republicans as well as Democrats and prompted numerous lawsuits when you don't do it brings a lot more people to the we are not looking to. But President Obama had the low we changed the law, and I think depression accurately reported, but of course, they won't last June. President Trump signed an executive order ending the family separation policy that was originally announced by then attorney general Jeff Sessions and zero tolerance exactly one year and three days ago, if you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child may be separated from you as a member of the intelligence committee, independent Senator Angus king is concerned. The department of homeland security purge is leaving in agency created after the September eleven terror attacks hampered in its anti-terrorism mission. I counted thirteen empty positions or acting positions. Don't even think they're acting at the top of the department of homeland security, but the purge with sources saying it's at the urging of ultra immigration hardline adviser, Stephen Miller is largely focused on Mr. Trump's frustrations with immigration policy. Bob Costantini, the White House. Former full house star Laurie Lachlan and her husband are facing new serious charges in the college admissions corruption scandal correspondent John stoneless has more Lachlan. Her husband mossy, Mon Jeon alley and fourteen. Other parents were hit with new money laundering charges. One day after desperate. Housewives star, Felicity Huffman and a dozen other. Parents pleaded guilty to charges that we're facing them Lachlan Gianola accused of paying five hundred thousand dollars in bribes to get their daughters into USC as members of the crew team. Even though neither of them played the sport Lachlan Gianola were originally arrested last month on a single charge of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud. I'm John Stolnis. A Texas gun company that destroyed more than seventy three thousand bu-. Bump stocks when a federal ban on the rapid fire devices took effect is suing the US government correspondent Clayton Neville says the Texas businesses claiming millions of dollars in losses or w arms in Fort Worth filed a lawsuit claiming the fifth amendment takings clause personal property cannot be taken by the government without compensation. The company's co founder Mark Maxwell says he hasn't been approached by the government about being paid. There's been no discussion that whatsoever. Maxwell says his company suffered more than twenty million dollars in losses. And the lawsuit seeks fair market down you compensation or w arms drew national attention when the ban took effect last month by transferring thousands of bump stocks to law enforcement for shredding the images seen nationwide officials initially said about sixty thousand items were destroyed but Maxwell confirms. It was more like seventy three thousand four hundred bump stocks. He says despite months of warning before the ban took effect the company was. Off guard. We were one hundred percent in the belief that there would be an injunction with one of the two main cases that are being heard right now, either the gun owners of merica case out of Michigan or the firearms policy coalition case out of Washington DC, we were also in constant communication with the ATF and DOJ, and we were allowed to wait until the clock expired before we did destroy any of of our property Maxwell is optimistic about his company's chances in the lawsuit or w arms joins retailer the modern sportsman which filed a federal suit of her bump stocks in March. I'm Clayton Neville, federal authorities say they've broken up a one point two billion dollar Medicare scam that pedaled unneeded orthopedic braces to hundreds of thousands of seniors. Correspondent Jan Johnson reports twenty four people in California, Florida, New jersey, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Texas are being charged on. On the list doctors accused of writing bogus prescriptions for unnecessary back shoulder, wrist and knee, braces, and owners of telemedicine and medical equipment companies all charged in connection with different but overlapping schemes that involve foreign call centers, health and human services says it's one of the biggest frauds officials there have ever investigated. Jan Johnson Washington. Westwood One daily news for April tenth twenty nineteen. I'm John trout.
NPR News: 03-04-2020 6PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein House. Lawmakers have overwhelmingly approved more than eight billion dollar plan to fight the new corona virus. Npr's cloudy O'Gara solace reports. The bipartisan bill comes after several days of Negotiations Senate Appropriations Committee chairman. Richard Shelby said. Vigorous action is needed to calm nerves and stabilize the situation. We face this crisis together. We're fighting it together. Also minutely Mr President. I believe we will prevail Together House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita. Lowey said the plan will help. Fund new testing medical supplies to respond to the corona virus. Congress is acting with the seriousness and sense of urgency the corona virus threat demands. The Senate is also expected to approve the plan and send it to the president as early as this week cloudy Celis NPR news the Capitol health officials in Seattle or telling residents sixty and older to stay inside because of the outbreak. Ten deaths from Kovic nineteen or being confirmed in western Washington state and the first death outside. Washington is being reported in California. Joe Biden is celebrating after winning the Democratic primary in ten states yesterday main is the last to be called for him. Npr's Barbara Sprint reports. Senator Bernie Sanders reflected on Super Tuesday's outcome at his Vermont campaign headquarters. Sanders began his remarks by commenting on his wins in Utah Colorado his home state of Vermont and California the State with the most delegates at stake on Super Tuesday. He then tried to draw a contrast him and Biden. You'll buy somebody. I have known for many years. I like Joe are the very decent human being joan. I have a very different voting record joe and I have a very different vision for the future of this country and Joe and I are running very different campaigns sanders said he looks forward to debating. Biden on issues he called fundamental to the campaign including Medicare for all Barbara Sprint. Npr News Burlington. Vermont Biden was in Los Angeles today after losing California to Bernie Sanders. The former vice president is calling on his Democratic rivals to stay positive. What we can't go let happen in the next few weeks let this primary campaign of negative attacks. The only thing that I can do is help. Donald Trump doesn't do anything to help any of the candidates or less of the campaign former New York City mayor. Michael Bloomberg is no longer in the race. He ended his bid this morning and endorsed Biden. Investors on Wall Street are responding to the Super Tuesday results and the corona virus funding bill. The Dow jumped four and a half percent. This is NPR. Thousands of migrants have perverse. Turkey hoping to reach Greece. After the Turkish government announced Friday. It was opening its borders to Europe. They've been met by Greek police. Firing tear and sometimes live ammunition. Dorey boost Karen reports from the border. It's like a game says a twenty-seven year old Afghan migrant both countries are using the refugees to make a point can make matters about Turkish police. Or they don't they know that there's no possibility to cross the border But they're forcing the refugees to cross the border. A network of buses charged the equivalent of ten dollars for a seat from Istanbul to the Greek border. When you arrive you really have two options. Cross or go back. Some have chosen to stay camping and forests and cornfields. Until they can figure out what's next but the debacle has forced the EU to the negotiating table with diplomats fly to Ankara to discuss the war in Syria for NPR News under-use Karen in a journey Turkey. The Justice Department's internal watchdog says the F. B. I. Has to improve the way it handles tips. On potential. Domestic terrorism suspects the inspector general sites weaknesses and inconsistencies in the way the F. B. I. Assesses leads about possible homegrown violent extremists. Those independent of foreign terrorist organizations that includes evaluations of whether individuals with mental health problems. Pose a legitimate threat. I'm Barbara Klein NPR news.
Nita Lowey Retires; Tension on College Campuses; Quizzing New Yorkers
"Hello and welcome to people of the pot brought to you by. AJC The Times of Israel each week we take you beyond the headlines and help you understand what they all mean for Israel and the Jewish people aren't Cogan and I'm on your brashear. Pacman German so money. Who did you talk to this week? SEVI- I taught to Congresswoman Nita. Lowey here in New York about out her surprise decision to retire after thirty two years. On Capitol Hill. I also hit the streets of Manhattan. To Test New Yorkers knowledge about anti-semitism. How about you? That sounds great. I spoke with or is the director of advocacy at hills of Ontario. About some of the issues that have been going on on campuses Way Up in the great white north And was also joined by Zev Hurwitz. Aj Director of campus affairs important stuff. Let's hit the show congresswoman. Nita Lowey has served on Capitol Hill for thirty two years. But I'm John Kapoor this year. She reached a momentous decision. Listen to retire surprising. Her constituents her colleagues maybe even herself congresswoman lowey joins us today to talk about her impending retirement and all all she has witnessed over the last three decades in Congress congresswoman. Welcome thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be with you. You have been in Congress for thirty two years. You arrived in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight at a time when women made up less than seven percent of the House of Representatives. You were the first female chair share of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. I hope I have that title right but a number of women have joined you over the years I mean. Today I think women comprise twenty three percent of that chamber and a quarter of the Senate the most ever in the history of Washington. Tell me what's the benefit of having more women's voices on Capitol Federal Hill. And tell me a little bit about watching this rise of women alongside you well first of all when I served as an intern in nineteen fifty eight women quite literally had no place in Washington. I couldn't even find a ladies from and in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. I was sworn into the United States as Congress. One of thirty one women serving in the Senate and House of Representatives thirty one out of five hundred thirty five live. So I'm happy. They added more ladies rooms because today we have one hundred twenty six women serving in the congress. It's twenty five in the Senate and one hundred one in the house. That is more than four times as when I arrived thirty one years ago and Dan for the first time in History House Appropriations Committee is not led by a man. I became the ranking member of the full committee in two two thousand twelve and I was the first woman to hold that position and now I'm the first woman and I should have the first Jewish woman to chair Chad the committee and in fact when my colleague Kay granger serving is the top republican appropriate. This is the first time in more than Ferdie thirty forty years that two women have led any house committee so I had no idea when I came to Congress is that one day I would wield the power of the person Congress would that I would be one of four lawmakers two of whom were women negotiating the end to the longest ever partial government shutdown at the beginning of the year. So why does that matter another words. What perspective respective do women bring to those kinds of conversations that had been missing previously? Well let me say this. There is no question that women have a different perspective and I could discuss many many issues but women many of whom Um our wives many of our mothers definitely a look at an issue with a different viewpoint Do you think that had been missing thing before I mean were there decisions made in the past that you look back on and think well if a woman had been in this position you know I don't really think about the past. Okay I think about the future. I think about my role now. I think the opportunity to make legislation and to serve my community witches Westchester and Rockland used to be queens the Bronx Southern Westchester. So I've had changing districts through the year and and frankly I'm very proud of all that I've achieved working for and with a wonderful people in the lower Hudson valley as you know is a congresswoman. I have a key role in Washington as chair of the Appropriations Committee In the district. I've helped thousands and thousands of individuals visuals people who really were desperate and needed help. So it's a very important job both in the district and in in Washington and as the first woman and the first Jewish member of Congress to chair the House Appropriations Committee. I have been very very proud to champing funding for programs of critical importance to the Jewish community such as support to maintain hayne Israel's qualitative military edge nonprofit security grant funding and This job certainly gives me the opportunity to wake up every day and just do good things. you talked about the relationship with Israel and you have been a longtime longtime champion of the US Israel relationship. Why why has that been a priority for you? Well first of all is a young woman growing coming up in the Bronx New York. I belong to young Israel of the concourse I remember Jewish holidays and interacting gene with many friends and neighbors So this has always been a priority for me and funding to Israel isn't a gifted gifted isn't charity a significant portion of the funding we provide comes back to the US in purchases of American military equipment equipment. Many people don't know that and the US and Israel partner to develop state of the art missile capabilities that help both of our our country's national securities so the aid package has only further strengthen the ironclad us-israel relationship allowing coming up to cooperate on Homeland Security Counter Terrorism efforts to save lives and both countries and with tensions flaring in almost Seoul parts of the Middle East. Our relationship with Israel is more important than ever and when our allies like Israel more secure the United United States benefit There's a campaign proposal out there being pitched by several of your democratic colleagues to leverage. US aid to Israel in order to pressure the country to roll back its West Bank settlements. It's become an issue an actual campaign issue. What is your take on that particular approach that that particular proposal and the fact that it's become an issue in the presidential campaign? Well first of all bipartisan support for Israel is key to maintaining the vitally important us-israel relationship. And I think concerns over decreasing democratic support or overblown overblown in my opinion and this Last July Congress passed a resolution condemning CDs and supporting a two-state eight solution with three hundred ninety eight members including two hundred nine Democrats voting in support Since president trump came into into office the White House and Republicans here and Congress has continually tried political tactics to turn Israel into took part of an issue. And these in my judgment Gotcha attempts a dangerous and risk critical relationship that benefits both the country's national security. I mean there have been multiple motions as we call them to recommit to try to make Democrats look anti Israel. Oh Yeah so what is your take on settlement expansion. What do we do about VAT especially now that the United States the secretary of State Pompeo has announced the United States doesn't consider it illegal? Well I was troubled by the administration's announcement to reverse the US position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank for those like myself who are committed to seeing a two state solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. This decision will make an alternate resolution of the West Bank status during direct negotiations between the two sides. Even more difficult so now. I want to switch topics topics from Israel to anti-semitism which is also a priority and in two thousand fifteen you formed. The houses are co formed. The the house's bipartisan Task Force for combating antisemitism but honestly then it was really and correct me. If I'm wrong but it was formed with anti-semitism on the rise is globally. That was really what you were trying to address with that task force and now it seems to be on the rise here. What do we do about that? Did that catch you by surprise. Surprise him can you reflect on that a little well from the very beginning when I organize the test for us it focused on anti-semitism. Awesome both here at home and abroad. But rates of domestic anti-semitism have exploded since we were formed in two thousand fifteen eighteen and the FBI continues to show that the vast majority of religious based hate crimes committed against Jewish and Jewish Institutions Solutions. Of course we were all shocked and horrified by the tree of life shooting just a little more than one year ago but many of us especially actually those who represent New York City and its suburbs feel like we hear about antisemitic. Incidents in our district's on a daily basis legislatively agitatedly is critical. We continue to support programs that ensure nonprofit institutions are able to protect themselves from outside threats and additionally we have a responsibility to increase the capacity of local law enforcement to track and report all hate crimes as we all know that anti-semitism racism all forms of Zeno Phobia are awful And frankly they're often terrible bedfellows. I'm confident that my colleagues on the House. Task Force as well as Senators Rosen and Langford who co chairs of the newly formed Senate Task Force will continue to lead efforts to come out anti-semitism both domestically early and around the world and you in particular Rockland County. You've had some terrible incidents. They are in fact one very recent where a man was stabbed outside a synagogue that in particular. What do you tell your constituents in your district when these incidents occur? How do you comfort them console them? Assure them well I think. More important than comforting them and assuring them or educating them. And frankly what. I've been focused on not necessarily only in my district. I have visited college. Campuses where they they are educating students and helping them to understand what is happening. This is about education and many of the organizations -tations like American Jewish Committee have become very active on college campuses. I've met with presidents of universities. I've met with many of the student groups and we have to make sure they understand that they're educating and in fact one of the universities I attended on Friday. Righty dinners Lael invites about three hundred to six hundred students. And they're not all Jewish right so it's very important shortened to Continue these education activities all across the country and the I'm proud of groups like the American Jewish Committee the and others. That are really focused on this work. So now well thank you very much for that. I want to also turn to your own personal decision to retire you. You reportedly reached that decision during the Jewish High Holidays. Specifically Yom Kippur Right. Kipper is the time of solemnity time that is very contemplative. You get a lot of space to think while I'm surrounded by family family and I have always felt that this is a time to think about the future and to think about Billy what you WanNa do with your life. I've had thirty two years in the House of Representatives. This has been an extraordinary job to be able to wake up every morning. And just think about what kind of good things you can do and how you could help people so for me. He was a tough decision but my husband retired several years ago. Our grandchildren are growing up by decided. I wanted to spend more time with family for a wild yes okay well congresswoman. Thank you so much for joining us. One last question for you and that is how do you believe your your legacy will live on in Congress. in your conversations with colleagues. How do you feel that that will continue? I've always had very reposited relationships with my colleagues and as the head of the Appropriations Committee and someone who has always been very active black Jewish relations in Jewish Christian relations. I would hope that many of the activities that I've been a part of that. Perhaps I've inspired will continue thank you so much congresswoman your well your retirement mm-hmm recently too disturbing incidents took place on Canadian College. Campuses purpose is the first at the University of Toronto. saw some students raise an objection to supporting kosher food on campus on the grounds is that accommodating that religious need on campus could be seen as supporting a political choice. The second took place at York University where violence broke out during a presentation from an Israeli speaker Acre. Joining us now to discuss these two issues and the state of things for Jewish students on campus is Alon or Z.. Director of advocacy at hills of Ontario and and Zephyr. AJC's director of campus affairs. Yulon Zev thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for having me happy to be here. Alon tell us more about what happened last week at York University and how we got to a point where violence is taking place on our campuses for sure well York's campus environments rather interesting. There are a few different campus presents from the Jewish can be There's Hillel York. which serves does the bulk of the Jewish students on campus There is also a club called husband your which is connected to husbands fellowships Canada and Lately there's been in a new club that has popped up called. Hey Route Canada which is a new thing. Not only for your university but also for the Canadian community It seems seems to be spearheaded by one individual students but the cubs presence on campus was noted a few weeks ago when there was a little bit of trouble between them I'm actually getting accredited at the club on campus once they became accredited they put into plan bringing a group reserve us on duty. which is a group of Israeli Israeli? Reserve soldiers who believes that they should be on pres- presence on campuses in North America to discuss. What's going on In Israel will the truth about Israel dispel myths about the BBC asked movement Anti-semitism Anti-zionism things of that nature in two thousand seventeen Hill Ontario actually brought them to a few campuses for a tour and We were planning on hosting them at Hiller Laurie which is About an hour outside of Toronto onto our West it's one of our Hill Ontario Campuses When the opportunity presented itself at Hill York however to partner with us on this opportunity? We declined the reason being that we didn't feel that this program was The right move for the campus environment at York York University has been a story arch unity for many years. Unfortunately for being a place that has a lot of protests it's and feelings towards the Jewish community specifically on the notion of our community being in favor of the state of Israel and Our approach over the last I decade With York now with Hill Ontario has been to build bridges with other clubs and build connections individually rather than just sort of bring as many programs can't campus that we feel make good. We'd rather do so in a more. Strategic and cohesive way with our campus partners and we have had great strides in that area. In fact the last time there was such a violent incident that involved the Jewish community. At York in my recollection would be about a decade ago and and It's we're thankful to live in a environment where Jewish students enjoy a safe and vibrant campus experience on average and that is true at York and every other the campus that can work with Specifically at York it takes a finer touch to find the right programs to bring in the right way to bring Israelis to campus So you Lon at at the risk of being to American right sometimes from here in New York candidate just kind of feels like America North but obviously there's you know. Canada has its own political. No culture universities in Canada are not carbon copies of universities in America. So you know what else is going on. vis-a-vis BCS vis-a-vis related to the boycott divestment and sanctions movement in Canada. Would you say that the situation tends to be fairly good or less good. How are you feeling writ large comment? It's a lot from our friends to ourselves America and Canada seem a lot of like in this element. I think that we are different My Self and our partners at the Center for Israel and Jewish affairs which is the advocacy wing of the Jewish community We did a study a little while ago to look at. Es successes food failures etc on Canadian campuses across the country. I can only speak to inside of this province in Ontario but BBS has been very much on decline line in terms of its success rate There have been a number of opportunities in the last Few years including outside of this province where there have been BBS resolutions for for At times even off campus to promote DDS and That has fallen very much on deaf ears or has been stopped at whatever opportunities a great good example of that is The three leaders of the Alaskan eating election which happened not Two months ago for the MVP. which is the New Democratic Party? Much like our Socialist Party or Labour Party in Canada. The Liberal Party which party criminal in power under the direction of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Conservative Party under under the direction of Andrea Sherr all. Three major parties have taken stances against DDS in the past and We are thankful that the three major your parties in Canada Move that much like you see in the United States on a more local level counselors mayors provincial premiers. which is the Canadian needed equivalent to a governor they have very much taken a stance against weed? Yes as well. That's true Ontario that's true in providence to our west and east very much. The Canadian political critical community fans against and that extends very much to campus on the campus. Front we have taken proactive measures. McGill University of Montreal at Ryerson University University here in Toronto and at Western University which is located in London Ontario. Two hours to the west of Toronto Those three university student unions have adopted the Ottawa protocol or the H. R. A. Definition of Anti Semitism which specifically points to antisemitism and anti Zionism overlapping and at least the number of situations And we believe that these proactive steps. Prove that the Canadian community on off campus is moving away from the the fact that BCS motion are failing at a larger rate than they were. Maybe five or ten years ago I think of that as well does that. Tend to align with where things are in the a states that he launches said. DDS measures are failing. You know at at record rates. Would you say that that tends to be failing in the states as well I think it's really a hit or remiss Thing in the United States as to whether or not is passing in its traditional forms as a resolution student government or if it's a referendum that dis brought to the entire student body the real question here is in terms of the success of the movement is doing anything to Actually Change University University investment practices with regard to companies that do business with Israel or based in Israel and the answer to that is not at all. We've had dozens of of different resolutions in referenda over the last couple of years at the student government level that are at at the best advisory three on these these messages to university administrators saying. Hey we We the student government here are saying you need to pull these investments and not not a single university administration has gone ahead and changed how the school doesn't does business or does investments with with Israel with the Israeli companies and this traditional model of bringing it to a vote at the government level or the campus by level has really only succeeded in name. Only yes sir. We've God fifty per fifty one or fifty one percent of of the voting adding body who participates in the school action or on this student government council to to support eds. But it. Hasn't I mean it hasn't changed anything at the a at the administrative level and it had the only other thing that it's been able to do successfully is divide campus and wherever a resolution is or Rabiya campaign is is coming up. We see time and time again that the campus climate takes us severe hit because of because of this resolution it really turns the campus into pro divestment against divestment I and and can turn very heated and at and at its extreme can be can view violent or close to violent on thankfully. That's not been the case most of the time but we're we're we're definitely increasingly seeing like more contentious Campus climate as a result of PD S. Coming to town. If I could just go with them just said I The same is true when it comes to university is in Canada and their relationship with Israeli universities are institution Center for Jewish Affairs Works Adamantly on that project and we support them with that much. You can where people feel that it. Is You know quote. The worst place for Jewish students on campus and Canada namely places like McGill and New York. And you have T- those universities have rich ties with Israeli petitions or Israeli university is and that I think speaks to exactly what level saying that. The movement is maybe succeeding but only a name MHM Yulon I would be remiss tonight. Ask You about Jewish Student Morale Right Now at York after this incident and just in general. How are the students feeling about these? These problems that crop up. I think the most emphatic answer I can give to that is that students are feeling conflicted on the reason is because I think that many of the Jewish students who are on campus today Especially the students that we meet in the Hillary York Lounge which is on campus student center Many students feel feel that this wasn't a good strategy to begin with but also like us condemn the violence and what happened Entirely I was there during the protests selves with seven of my staff members. And we work to ensure that as many Jewish we're not involved in the protests or when a caught up in them trying to go to or from the event itself And where we saw students of our we encourage them to stay away. We encourage them to make sure they were safe at all times. After the event our staff were on campus we have a campus teams of seven staff members at York they all have been working diligently to to connect with the Jewish students on campus. The ones who come in and out of our lounge someone's who comes to our daily programming En to figure out how they're feeling to make sure that they understand that there is a place for them to be heard and that where there are concerns we can address we can. We can coordinate with administration and campus security before events like these two thousand did but it's also important for us to reach out to the students afterwards and make sure that they feel supported. I think that average Jewish student at York today it does feel supported by our community at VR staff. But I also think they realize that we can't take for granted the campus community that we've built over the years and it's only thanks to amazing students like the student executive leaders that we have today as well as the students who are just on campus for the first time Mrs maybe their first year. They're frauds students or what we call them here in Canada When we when we see those students and they don't know the history of until York O'Rourke university or when this is the biggest touch point they have with the Jewish community? We make sure that they understand the reality on the ground that they understand the services we can support then went Zev just to bring us home here. Tell us about from your expert. Position would have been the major trends regarding Israel on campus this semester. What should we be keeping? Can I on the probably almost definitely more concerning than the traditional modality of being something something that the student government is dealing with her or in student elections is this culture of of anti Israel activists just completely not willing to engage in any sort of meaningful dialogue or Pluralistic conversation A lot of this is due to to anti-normalization the idea that students that are supportive of Zionism or of the Jewish right to self-determination that holding onto that identity or that belief is enough have to disqualify a lot of anti Israel activists from from even holding a conversation or a joint program. Certainly certainly not a direct to be but even to just coexist oh exist in the same spaces on and we're seeing this This retreat from meaningful dialogue in a couple of forms one is the renewed. And we've seen meanest recently a couple of big instances the last month or so of the heckler's veto The idea that students who don't approve of every single thing that or anything that a guest speaker lecturer professor on campus is going to be talking about coming in making noise. Disrupting in some instances. We we just saw this at Arizona State University blocking the door so that the event can't proceed at all and the goal here is to shut down speech that anti Israel activists disagree agree with by not allowing that speech take place which is a direct violation of of of the free speech the free speech which protects the right to protest protest against something Should extend to the person who is there to speak in the first place. So the Heckler's veto has been used against Israel Israeli speakers pro pro Israel speakers at CPI leave need just had in event at Duke University The former foreign minister of Israel was delayed for a significant significant amount of time until security can come in and remove folks who are just straight up disrupting the conversation and it's very hard to make the argument that you disagree with somebody speech and that's why you're protesting them if you won't even give them the chance to to say what that speech is and the other long-term concern for us in the pro. Israel space on on campus is when the Bedia movement seeing that their wins at the student government level or wins in air quotes at the government level. Aren't turning into new policy. Change looking for other areas to get wins and one of those areas is in academic boycotts to which can be done at a much smaller her level to to say we're not going to cooperate with Israeli professors or we're not going to support study abroad programs from on from our university university in the US to a school in Israel. There is a big issue last year. Where kids are college in California was looking at ending? Its study abroad relationship. Ship with the University of Haifa. And these are a lot lower hanging fruit for anti Israel activists because it only takes a couple of Department c'mon chairs in or a couple of administrators in in one academic department to say we're not GONNA have Isreaeli speakers here we're not going to publish works of Israeli Israeli professors or we're not going to send our students to university in Israel I it only takes a couple of voices. They're to have policy changed that that affects the academic freedom of students that are looking to engage with Israel so so both between between the increased use of academic boycott and and the Heckler's veto were. We're starting to really see the Anti Israel movement take the form of well we don't like Israel and we don't like Israel speech so we're just not going to allow that speech speech to exist here. Well thank you for all your hard work on these issues and thank you Alon and all the folks that hillel across the countries and around the world for being such great partners as we work on these crucial issues. Amazing thank you. Thanks so much for having US earlier this month. The American Jewish Committee published a glossary of antisemitic. Terms titled Translate. Hate the point. Wait being in order to fight anti-semitism you have to know what it is. A lot of and terms were new to me which got me thinking how many of them would be new to others as well. So I hit the streets of Manhattan without producer coup condo and asked a handful of folks were kind enough to make eye contact only a handful. It's New York after all and allowed me to give them a pop quiz is. Here's a sample. The American Jewish Committee put out this guide on terms that are antisemitic. Just to help people understand why certain words and terms are antisemitic. And so we're going around just to give voices from the streets of New York to find out whether or not you know some of these terms and whether you consider them anti-semitic have you ever heard of the term globalist. No so I never heard of it either when I came to work here and so it refers to Jews who wanted to control the world the globe through World Bank's thanks media government. So now that I've shared that definition is that an accurate definition and now thinking about it. Have you actually heard it before I have not heard it I also know that that exists. Honestly I don't think that the the motivation of a religion of people in that religion would be take over the world I think Probably Jews having survived Holocaust. Doing the best they can for themselves and not necessarily trying to take over the world. I've never heard it used I do. I think it's accurate I think probably for a lot of different people not just one race in a lot of people want to control the world. Deaths that effort to me I always thought globalism was chains of trade and the intricacies of Trade policy. But then I learn more about how people always attributed to George Soros and all the uh crazy conspiracy theories that they always put on him which is always. Well he's the conspiracy theorist fat all things from the right and what is the conspiracy. I have no idea. I can't all I know is they always mentioned George Soros and spending money to I guess have staged protests tests or stage. Whatever it is is always stayed from George Soros? Do you recognize the term blood libel. I've heard it but I don I can't say for sure that I know the history of that term okay. So that is centuries old and it is refers to Jews who kidnap Christian children and use their blood to make Mozza for Passover Sir all right so and it still exists today in different forms. I just know it's antisemitic. I learned it when I was taking Paul. Do you believe people who are critical of Israel are antisemitic no critical of Israel's policies or critical of Israel's existence or both neither neither policies if you're critical of their policies. I want to say you're anti Semitic but if you're critical of just people being from Israel and that's wall what's the difference. WELL THE DIFFERENCES SORTA like America like we a have bad foreign policy such as the war in Iraq but does does that mean all Americans have been everybody should be able to live in harmony and no one should be able to dictate what anybody else does. So do you consider someone who is critical of Israel to be antisemitic. I think people that are critical of the existence of Israel are for sure being antisemitic towards the Jewish people because it's considered a Jewish state. And they they don't see it that way. So the existence of the state of Israel and its current form is probably the motivation to get rid of it and it would be antisemitic for sure not necessarily in. What context does it ever become anti anti Semitic or never know? I mean if they're different things like there's an overlap like ven diagram but like if you're anti-american you're or not inherently anti Christian or if you're anti-christian not inherently like anti-american like a vast majority of people in Israel are Jewish. So a Netanyahu's not a good do right. And so you can be against the policies of country based on their leader by one. One could easily argue that America's in the crosshairs in that regard so to be against a country or regime is not necessarily it'd be against a religion I tend to think around tests matic even if they're Jewish because it's every all Jewish people's his homeland and if if you're against our homeland then you have to be in some way and Now it's time for our closing segment about table talk and we're pleased to be joined this week at archambault table Bye bye. Amanda Borshev Don Jewish World Editor at The Times of Israel. Amanda when you're talking with your friends and family at your table this week. What are you going to be talking about so this week? Actually today I was listening to an interview with hoosier mayor footage and this man who is running for president was frankly talking about his relatively late in life coming out story now as the mother of a gay side I was really marveling. It how things have changed for the queer community in just a few short years let alone the five decades since the stonewall uprising that really helped mainstreamed the gay movement so to the same sex marriages performed in something like twenty eight countries this and even here in Israel a country that does not have a system of civil marriage. same sex marriages that are performed abroad are recognized by the state so I can dream that my oldest son will one day find his Mr right and hopefully like his five siblings have the chance to raise a family here in Israel now my son who has not yet sixteen was born into an era in which he feels really comfortable being loud and proud this year. He's at boarding school in Jerusalem where we visited him on Chabad and he greeted US wearing a full body purple Unicorn suit complete with the tail so so I think he's doing fine but in I house the kids like me to play the superfund game. One step from death okay because my superpower is that in almost any situation I can see impending doom. Now why am I all Jewish mothers seriously variously anyone with Polish roots. At least right but why am I talking about my fun game. One step from death because on Sunday it's World AIDS Day Eh. And when I was growing up AIDS was really a death sentence for many in the gay community and several of my parents friends were struck down a a dark cloud hung over their community of classical musicians in so many whom we loved were lost but today that is so much less the case today I asked my son what World AIDS Day means to him and he actually said that he's not actually sure he said on the one hand I do know about the AIDS epidemic and how devastating it was but and the other hand it was a long time ago. Granted he's sixteen and and it relates to me a lot less than it would if I were even five years older but as we all know Saffy Manja AIDS. Doesn't discriminate emanate based on sexuality or age or really anything so World AIDS Day was launched over thirty years ago and until now something like forty million people worldwide have died of AIDS related illnesses today. Almost that many are living with the disease and more and Morris surviving with the proper treatment. It's no longer a death sentence now. Last year World AIDS Day was held under the banner of know your status so for me. The mother of a healthy curious gay boy I want to promote that drive in really really really ask everyone gay straight whatever that you find out your status and this year. The theme is communities. Make the difference so I know that sometimes the Jewish community likes the shy away from tough topics but as we have all heard so many times he who saves the life saves a whole world and and in this case Frank Open conversations can actually be life saving. So that's what we'll talk about. It is about table this week and I hope some some of you out there listening will find time for this topic to how about you. Amanda thank you so much for sharing that that lovely glimpse of your family life life and I can't get over the fact that you have six children that I I stuck on that for a while of five siblings. Yikes are Chaban table. It'll be a little bit lighter. Irish about table will double as our Thanksgiving table because for the past year or two on Thanksgiving our family has ventured into New York City. To see the macy's she's Thanksgiving Day parade. Of course I grew up watching it on TV but my husband grew up actually going or going the night before to Central Park to see the balloons blown up so that tradition tradition has continued which means we feast on Friday as a family instead. But I've been thinking a lot about how a parade really is a good way to celebrate the holiday amid the see humanity that weathers the cold to see those festivities. It's a chance to celebrate who we are as a nation a nation of immigrants a nation of many faiths a nation that values. It's children so much that we parents are willing to take them to a painfully long parade and late November. Call this year. Well we hope right. mm-hmm it's the purpose behind America's table Thanksgiving Haggadah of sorts that the American Jewish Committee published just two months after the nine eleven terrorist attacks at the time our nation was seriously wounded and a reminder of its unity and diversity was a source of healing that project was revised this year to incorporate the principles of AJC's communities of Conscience Initiative also a reminder that in our unity no matter how divided as a nation we might be politically. We can find healing if listeners are looking for something to talk about it Thanksgiving table. It's worth downloading America's table for some conversation fodder but this is not intended to be a commercial for that now. In fact to be perfectly honest I doubt it will make an appearance at my table table. Since my kids would never sit still for Thanksgiving ritual of any sort This resource is more for families. Who are pass my stage of life? we'll be talking about about our fears that gusts of wind would ground the cat in the hat and Charlie Brown and the marching bands and the color guards and the dance teams in the country and western singers and pop stores. That I've never I heard of Oh and the Turkey and the sweet potatoes and the cranberry sauce. Because this week that's will be served at Ashkhabad Table Steffi. How about you well for most reasons? It's obviously bad that Israel has been without a government for almost a year. But there's one tiny very narrow reason why it might be a good thing that no one is minding the store buses on Shibata famously. Israel's Jewish majority cities do not have public transportation on Chabad that is true even even in Tel Aviv the quote unquote capital of secular Israel. Until now with no active Knesset to pass a bill to stop them. The municipality of Tel Tel Aviv launched free mini buses serving part of the city and its suburbs lash about notably the buses avoided the areas of the city with high orthodox populations more more than ten thousand passengers crammed the vans so much so that the city announced that it would be putting full size buses into service in future weeks. Look I keep Chabad in a traditional way myself and I never anticipate making use of these buses but I'm glad they exist. The Israel I love is a secular free society society modern and liberal. It's a Jewish state in the sense that it is for the Jews because it is held captive to Orthodox interests though it is respectful of Jews who keeps about of course. So if you're the kind of person who rides buses on Chabad enjoy the speedy and free trip to the beach and if you're not enjoy not writing the buses and take pride that the city of Tel Aviv is leading the way yet again with tolerance care and Innovation Shabazz. Shallow and happy Thanksgiving SOBAT Vassallo go. You can subscribe to people of the pod on itunes Google play or spotify or learn more at AJC dot org slash people of the pot the views and opinions of our guests don't necessarily reflect the positions of AJC and the Times of Israel. We'd love to hear your views and opinions or your questions. You can reach us at people of the pod at AJC DOT Org. If you like this podcast be sure to rate it and writer review to help more listeners. Find US thank you for listening. This episode is brought to you by JC and the Times of Israel. Our producer is condo are sound. Engineer is T K Bhadra tune in next week for another other episode of people. Love the POD.
How Vermont Schools Are Handling COVID-19 And Computer Tech Ethics
"From Radio Vermont, it's the Dave Graham show on W. DVD, it's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most to you. Now. Here's your host Dave Graham. Good Morning Vermont Jd's Tuesday October the twentieth in good old Waterbury Vermont we're wd is based on. We are so glad to have you with us this morning we got a good show lined up for folks. We're to be speaking I with Lola suffered. She's the terrific education writer with the DOT Org and Lola has been covering the heck out of our schools. This fall the schools, of course, grappling with coronavirus crisis trying to figure out how much in in classroom learning making do and how much they have to have kids at home all that sort of stuff. And we're going to get caught up with how the first five or so weeks of the school year baby six weeks. Now of the school year have gone will be joining us just in a moment after I tell you a little bit about What else we have a coming up this morning the. It's it's Let's see. Here. We we. We are going to be speaking in the latter hour of the program this morning with a couple of computer tech guys are going to be joining us to talk about this weird story that broke last Wednesday in the New York. Post where a computer tech in Delaware allegedly gave a laptop. Belonging one hundred Biden to a lawyer for Rudy Giuliani and this was. Widely seen as an effort to create some. Some storms around the Biden's I just events of the election I. DON'T THINK A. Lot of folks in the mainstream media did not jump on the story immediately course York prosed owned by Rupert Murdoch same. Gentlemen owns Fox News. Is oftentimes. Accused of producing somewhat suspect journalism and stories certainly has had a lot of questions surrounding it but the the underlying thing if if in fact this computer tech. Gave A. Hundred Biden's machine to or the hard drive or even a copy of the hard drive there from a to a lawyer for Rudy Giuliani. That really raises a lot of questions in my mind about do computer techs actually respect their clients privacy and sat around and what are the rules there are there any sort of professional associations or other ethical codes and that sort of thing in this profession is there are. So many others. Teachers have confidentiality surrounding students, lawyers around their clients. Certainly people who provide mental health services or not supposed to talk about what they've been discussing in their appointments on and on. But what's the case with with computer techs? It's GonNa be interesting conversation there. Let's get right into our discussion here with low low of Duffer, digger dot org this morning and Lola interesting news that you're reporting now about the. This covert outbreak in. Central Vermont. War allow the as your listeners probably heard last week There was an outbreak recorded at this community, Franken Franken lump helier I think originally when it was reported, I reported there were twelve cases as of yesterday there were thirty. and kind of separately from that last week, there were cases reported at union elementary Montpellier. And as of Tamar, yesterday that jumped to six cases. and originally their health department was saying I didn't think that there was a link between the two yesterday they said that they they thought that there was in fact a link and we are expecting to hear an update from commissioner. Mark was the today. At the governor's twice weekly press conference at eleven am. But I should go ahead and promote that wd e of course, has been broadcasting these live since the inception of these regular news conferences on the state's Covid, nineteen response in the Governor Phil Scott Top state officials including Commissioner Health Commissioner Dr Mark Levin and several others have been prominent at these events and they're doing them Tuesdays and Fridays these days today. Of course, being Tuesday they will be. Holding one of these today. As we say in radio don't touch that I wanNA, get to the end of the day Graham Show here around eleven o'clock this morning you just stay right where you are and we'll go over to live coverage of the of the governor's twice-weekly. News Conference and. So we're we're up to thirty now and is it is it? Is it assumed or is it known that the two cases reported at the Union Elementary School? Downtown appeal. Are Those tied to the outbreak connected with the Central Vermont Memorial Civic Center. So as I am just said, the health department apparently does that there is some Lincoln weeks to hear more about that This Tuesday originally they that's upstate did not think so but apparently there's he can use change. That's that's an interesting point because obviously that. I'm trying to figure out the definition of the people talk about this thing called community spread and and would that be an example of that or a or are we? Is that something different. We know. I you know what? That? That's a question for a health reporter or a Health Professional A. Layman's understanding is that community spread is when you have it Just in the community in general, I would imagine that if it was kind of contained to a an outbreak, took like a cluster of cases that are all interrelated the. Necessary. Community spreads but again, this is a a lay person's understanding. So. people should yeah. Under, speculating at this point, sure well, I'm one I'm wondering also. You've had. Several excellent stories about just kind of how things are going with education in the in this weird new school year of. Kobe nineteen crisis. Where folks are trying to do school I, mean it was almost like last spring. There was a it was much more of a shutdown feeling whereas now it's much more of an opened up feeling even though the Kobe. Cloud is still very much hangs over the whole system. Our things going out there broad broad sense. Yeah. Well, before I get to that I'll just a thought I would note I'm the kind of transmission question. The the union elementary cases are interesting I don't think we have seen that many cases in one school yet. So far this year which kind of speaks to you know so far it's been pretty good. We we we have had cases in schools that not that many and union elementary case according to state officials seems to be the first instance of transmission within the Katie Twelve? Setting So before Every other case that's been reported, we hit a little over a dozen I wanNA say before the union elementary cases And in every instance, the state said that the person was infected outside school they came to the school, and as far as I could tell, no, one would in the school was subsequently infected, which is great news for medication measures. That means that you know what we had in place is working union elementary according to the state was the first time since that they could tell of someone was impacted outside the school, but then came to the school and other people in the school were infected. So that is that is noteworthy Yeah that is a change. In implants and is it does sort of make things. More worrisome more. Is there a what's the sense there? well, I don't know and we'll we'll be expecting from the health department One one good thing is that so far even the new cases that you now a mentoring seem to be contained within one classroom. So at least so far we have not seen cases reported outside of this pond structure, and that was one mitigation measure that was come up that schools came up with was that you know will create kind of self contained quote unquote pods of students and staff that kind of interact together but not outside so that if there is a case at least, it does not spread beyond. That you know that's circle of people within the school. and so far that seems to have worked at union elementary although of course, there could be further cases. Yeah. So Let's this sort of shift our focus here a little bit. If we could to the broader picture and just I want I did want to sort of get your your thoughts on. How do you think overall you know you report your based in my failure, but you report on schools around the state. How do you say they're adapted to this? New World. Well. I would say you know from a health perspective we're doing pretty well you know Saturday union elementary cases. It seems like everything is really working as it should. We have had cases what we expected see cases up in schools. because if it still exists. Outside of school, it is eventually going to show up in a school setting, right? schools are always reflections of. The Whiter. Whiter communities conditions Health or otherwise yup? So that's that hasn't been super surprising, and in general, the numbers have been pretty low enough. Thank urging I would say you know from an educational perspective thing to really tough I have heard from both students and teachers. that they think that things are better than less array that the kind of compromise that a majority post landed on is not is not good. It's not great. No one likes it but that it is better than what we saw in the spring that there is you know more and better instruction taking place. and that even a remote part has improved that people have learned lessons from that. But you know an hearing from teachers that particularly the hybrid thing is basically twice the work it's figuring out how to teach. One lesson you know two different ways, maybe three different ways if you're awesome in charge of teaching all remote learners. and that you also feel the teacher like you're being kind of half as festive and so that's really it's harder and less rewarding And that's that's really tough for. There's So that's you know that's That's definitely something. that. Kind of you know we expect schools to reengineer themselves overnight and they kind of have but This shows us that you know these kind of profound big picture changes. Kind of D do take a little bit more time and work and practice. Before they really successful and again this is this is not because The educators on has not put in an extraordinary amount of of work. into getting off the ground. There has been a lot of you know particularly in the beginning getting kind of remote work up and running Was Pretty bumpy especially, in some places I, mean I covered one school district. That Didn't have access to remote learning for weeks and weeks into the beginning of the school year because. Virtual Learning Cooperative, which a lot of school districts were relying on just got swamped with last night. Requests. Totally overwhelmed. So they went to a third party vendor and. That took a really long time to get get off the ground. So you know it's it's been bumping a lot of places. Yeah that that does seem to be the case I mean, it's not surprising at all because. School wasn't institution. It's very complex organism and all of a sudden you're asking it to. Change a lot about what it does and in a big way, and so nobody should I don't think anybody should be surprised that this is Bobby Road for folks. Wasn't going to be no way was going to be A. Super smooth transition but. One thing that had a really interesting story the other day about teachers. Who are GOING, door to door and sort of tracking down students who maybe haven't been showing up for zoom meetings and and or. You know who have been maybe showing up for some but skipping a lot and that sort of thing and trying to connect with the students and their families that way to talk to us a little bit about that widespread a phenomenon is that in Vermont these days. Yeah I don't know how widespread it is I would say that it is not. It is happening in different districts and I kind of noticed that it tended to be more rural kind of smaller districts, which makes sense. Right? If you have more people available. You know if you have a kind of lower your student to staff ratio Although you also have more ground to cover here if you're rural like literally Yes. It's just a little bit more feasible. So I did I did kind of notice that quite a few. We're doing this and you know it looks different in different districts. it wasn't always a teacher although I talked to a preschool teacher that went That was like I. I think it'll be traumatic for I, you know. For, the first day of school for these, you know three and four year old. To be you know everyone's masked mom and dad can't come into the classroom because there are no visitors allowed and we have to cut down on on congregation and I'm just GonNa have to follow this masks stranger into a room and she was like kids they're going to be totally freaked out because she went and did home visits with every one of her students before the first day of school and that was really successful Also. It's been mainly something that educators have been doing to tackle absenteeism because, yeah. A lot of kids aren't shying resume or showing up for classes very infrequently and a lot of cases with counselors doing this or you know I talked to one principal who is doing this. and. I thought it was really interesting because this seems to be actually an example of something that. Will could likely be kind of carried over. Post. Pandemic as just kind of a a, you know really good practice that people. kind of sound in a time of crisis and realize actually worked really well Obviously, these are socially dispensed home visits people stay outside there masked. COUNSELOR WHO was driving around Orange County for kids with a six foot long wouldn't plank. Once. He would. You know get to. Student's home put it on a on the ground to make sure that they were always at least sixteen apart. But. That was a very colorful and terrific detail. You had your story there I said, wow, that's pretty clever and I think it's probably also designed. I mean I. I wonder if there's a little humor there to. Try to put people. Levi's kind of thing. Yeah. I mean it's it's it's again I and it is access is there to put people at ease and I think also just you know in in moments like this people people like. I noticed standardization and some sort of. something. That can kind of rely on. You know it's it's one little piece of certainty definitely succeed feet apart. I'm wondering if you were mentioning a moment ago the the sense of the many teachers that they're working twice as hard and getting lesson I don't know getting half as much down or whatever with this hybrid learning I and I'm wondering. What do you think or is anybody really produced any any solid Estimation of what will the long term impact V on kids educations are the kids who maybe are sophomores in high school right now, when he graduated in a couple of years, will they have been well as well educated as kids who graduated saying Twenty Nineteen Well No. They won't, and that's that's not you know anybody's fault but I I I haven't heard one like a single teacher or administrator. Or students say. Oh yes I'm I'm learning as much as I used to. I think that that's that's universal that that is across the country I mean there you know there have been studies like kind of preliminary studies done kind of estimating how much quote unquote. Learning lots we are going to see So? Yeah. Yeah I mean this will dramatically kind of impacting amount of learning about words know. Kids are able to receive if there's a silver lining, it said you know at least like most everyone in the same. Boat although actually I I shouldn't say that because a big problem too with this kind of setup is that it is extraordinarily an equitable. So we we we can expect you know those who can afford private tutors have really good WIFI connection those who have this quiet place to work and at home you know are going to be able to make a lot more progress than their less advantaged peers and that was always true but covid has. Absolutely. you know entrench that dynamic made it worse just in innumerable ways And so that is you know this is the I would expect the quote unquote achievement gap right to this, and she's been cap is. Measured You know it's Test scores, graduation rates but especially, test scores you know and it's and it's the gap we see over and over again between how quote well. You, know more affluent Kids do white kids do Students that don't have disabilities do then than their peers and I think we can generally expect that to wideness here And and that's that is obviously a huge problem I. Don't know that we have I. Think there is. That is certainly an argument for more in person learning But in a lot of places I, don't know that we can do more in person learning without Without you know. kind of dangerously increasing the amount of density in the classroom. So this is a really hard thing to balance like I. Think there's also an argument there for maybe prioritizing. certain kids for more of a return to the classroom and others I know that some school just a lot of school districts. Prioritize kids with disabilities from Warren Person Learning Brown. Which is I mean I think in in my opinion the right call. and so I think. I think if anything that's that's a that's a call for more right of like really figuring out who's vulnerable and prioritizing them for as much in person support as possible where it is safe But yeah, our our kids going to be learning as much as here. No. Absolutely not and I I. I don't think that candy be the standard because it's just. it's it's literally not possible. What are there any districts in Vermont that have really made strides or or you know sort of scored some success at all? In trying to address the social inequities, you're just talking about and how they show up in education. They've always shown up education. It seems like a lot of this stuff is really laid bare in this coronavirus crisis that. Whatever inequities existed forcing maybe starker or even you know someone increased or exaggerated. I I can't think of thing though I do think that in general you know most. administrators and teachers I talked to are are trying to think about that in how they kind of. reengineer this year like I said a lot of districts if not most prioritize students disabilities for more in person instruction you know I I I heard. Parents saying like my. especially, you know I was seeing this a lot in the places that had. The hybrid learning reopening plans, two days of in person instruction. So often in that case, you had kids with IEP's who actually coming in for four days in Cranston instructions twice as many days. to try and catch up. Although I haven't heard about that as much with, for example, kids on Prem reduce lunch. It's A. Lot of problems to solve, which we're going to get you back on our program from data time to fill us in on how going there Lola defer to really appreciate your help understanding these education issues. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. Having L-. Lola. 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Is Tuesday Morning October the twentieth twenty twenty two weeks from today November third? He has sort of a little in their brain saying, what is November third? Thing. We call election day. Of course these days we have more election season. If you WANNA move to vote today, go ahead knock yourselves out you got the mail in ballot. Go and fill it out. Get it back down to your town or city clerk or put it in the mail. I've seen starting to see recommendations if you wanted to do was the postal situation. Best to get it in the mail by the end of the week. This week gives them all the time in the world to get that delivered. Down to your city and town clerk's office. So it could be counted on a November third, very important there folks, and obviously this election is drawing a lot of attention heo. What are the possible outcomes of this election people are starting to speculate that there's a chance that the Democratic Party might take control of the US Senate and that could have a big impact on a couple of people we know by the name of Patrick Layhee Bernie Sanders, they ever wants to US senators and here to discuss all of this would us is. A person who's got a burgeoning blog out there on never mind and national issues former Burlington free press reporter who went on to a successful career lobbying at the State House for variety of clients and now he's blogging in his name is Kevin Ellison. He's been a guest on a Dave Graham Show two three times before we really appreciate his insights and I believe he's on the phone with US Good Morning Kevin. Thanks for joining me good morning. David. So your blog last week was talking about just what what things might look like for. For Patrick Leahy and and Bernie Sanders tell us what you found is you looked into this. Well, Dave it if if the in the coming election if the Democrats were to take over the United States, Senate. of everyone knows that means that the party control changes Yup and so you'd see Chuck Schumer to be the majority leader but you would what would you would see is that? Senator Leahy and Sanders would immediately become chairs of of very powerful committees. So I lays made it clear. He would like to chair the Senate Appropriations Committee. I haven't seen Bernie talked much about this but Bernie is the ranking member of the Senate. Budget Committee which. Is Not, all that powerful but it it is influential in lots of ways. so Basically, tuber, monitors if the Senate were to go democratic to Vermont would. Pretty much control how the how fed all federal dollars are spent wows I. Point Out. That's the that's the Pentagon. That's everything from the Pentagon to public broadcasting to the National Endowment for the arts to the CIA, to to every State Department every anything you know transportation funds, roads, and bridges. So all of that would go through the Senate Appropriations Committee? and the Budget Committee. So it gives it gives her monitors a huge voice and it gives way he had sanders a huge amount of power in terms of how federal money is spent. And they'd been saying much about this of either of them have been talking about their their possible futures here. Not Really I mean I I actually had a conversation with senator. Leahy. recently but about about some of this, you know he could also chair the Senate Judiciary Committee. He has lots of choices. he has chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee in the past, and that puts him as I point out the blog and puts them on television a loss because of the Supreme Court issues But he I think I think senator has kind of been there done that with the Judiciary Committee and he he I think he would stay on the Judiciary Committee. he is now and so he'd have a major voice in the judgeship issues. But I think chair of the Appropriations Committee is kind of career. crowning position that that he'd really like. With huge amount of power. That is. That's. Pretty. Pretty Amazing. Possibility there I mean obviously, we shouldn't. What it? Connor. Chickens before they hatch ever but. What are we? What Are we hearing? What are you? Are you following the national polls and are we getting indications as to whether? They're the Democrats have a good chance of you have taken the Senate or? Is. It a long shot or where are we now in all that? I think I think I do follow the polls and I think I it's a fifty fifty proposition at the moment and he has with Biden leading in polls Again you're right we shouldn't trust polls we trusted them in two thousand sixteen everything was wrong. So but but that doesn't mean you can't look at them and it's pretty clear that. That in states like Maine Colorado Montana. Arizona. I believe I believe Democrats have to flip three states democratic to take over the Senate. And if that, and if that happens Lahey in sanders are suddenly chairs of committees so And that's fairly likely You know if main Colorado and Arizona Democratic and it looks like they're going to. Then that that eventuality is going to happen. And Well. Again we'll. Fifty fifty right now. But I am. I suspect that the. That'll be a closely watched the city for sure nationwide. Kevin I I wonder your your sense of. Let's let's talk a little bit about the overall trajectory of this campaign right now. And I was just reading in the. Washington Post this morning that. The president seems to be fairly fairly desperate situation where he's doing a lot of scattershot stuff. Is He. Does he have the what. What am I take to really turn this thing around at this point? I. Mean. It does look like he's he is. Not doing well in the polls but what What can you do? Well he's just trashed Anthony Fauci, and now he's on Fox sort of trashing I'm again calling him a Democrat So you know trump is the kind of guy who never misses an opportunity. To miss an opportunity. But But You know that is who he is. It's pretty clear that he's not going to change who he is. it's not. He's not suddenly going to show up at the next debate. Polite and professional That's not how he got where he got. So he's going to continue to be exactly who he is and his supporters. Admire him for that all the all the baggage be damned they. They believe that he's guy tells it like it is and he's an outsider. WHO's GONNA. Drain the swamp so. You know. I mean I've been watching this for thirty years. Now are my I learned this from an from an old mentor of mine said a dead Republican gets forty percent. Didn't play in a place like Vermont. So You know I don't know whether the selection means that is this is a biden landslide were trump. You know gets only the people who really believe in him. or whether like two thousand sixteen, there's a there's a there's an unseen. block of voters out there that aren't showing up in polls. That are truly passionate for the president. That that means that Biden goes down the way Hillary Clinton went down I it's it's impossible to read. But I do think there are lots of. Differences between now and four years ago the virus being. Being the most important. Actor. So, anyway well, one of the one of the questions I've had about this also and I was surprised we're not really. Hearing more discussion to this but. I think there's a lot of resentment among among trump's core supporters of. They bashed the media all the time, and so when pollsters come around and say, hi, I'm doing a fall for the Washington Post and the New York Times or CBS or whatever. How big is a phenomenon possibly of? The respondent to the poll basically just sort of playing games in I'm voting for Biden and then you know muttering to him or herself in the background yet right? At Cetera, I mean is that a factor if so how to pollsters kind of counter way that? I. Don't know that they. And it's I think it's a real issue. I think he pulls I think trump's voters are really really passionate. And voters on the far left are not passionate. So, I think that the passion factor. Is On trump's side the passion factor on the Democratic side is all of his anti-trump. It's not not so much crow by, but it's anti-trump. I do think I would say this. Unlike Hillary Clinton who. who was weighed down by baggage that was made Produced, over. Decades. there's a there is A. For, good or bad. There is a notion of Joe Biden as as a good guy. That Hillary Clinton never achieved fairly or unfairly and and it may be That you know with trumping irascible and rude and nasty as he was in that debate. And every time he talks that juxtaposed against Biden who is You know I think if you ask people they'd say, well, he's a good guy. against his basic humanity losing a wife and a child in a car crash early in his career etcetera etcetera the guy suffered a lot. And juxtaposed against trump behavior I. think that makes part of this race very much different than two, thousand sixteen. Yes certainly the personality basis i. i also tell me what you think of this theory about about twenty sixteen. I think there was a there was a real undercurrent of Hillary Clinton I definitely being of the one percent and I say that because. I you saw things like like her speech, your six-figure speeches to Goldman People Goldman. Sachs. And then her refusal to say what she told them to release the transcripts of those speeches and so on. I thought that that that really set a message to people I bet. You're excluded from the centers of power in America, and I'm in the centers of power and this is this is how it all goes folks and you know tough cookies basically. And meanwhile, historically, the Democrats tried to present themselves as the Party of the working person and you know the lunch bucket party or whatever. Now we have the basically this person who really looked in that instance like kind of a plutocrats and then called half the working class in the united. States deplorables so. What do you think about that as a theory? I agree with it one, hundred percent the. They the the books must have been written that if they haven't been written yet, they will be written and that is the the abandonment of the of the working. person. By the Democratic Party. in favor of. Wall Street. so that they and Silicon Valley so that they could raise money. The passage, of NAFTA. I have a pet craze that I use a lot. At the end of discussions like this, which is Bernie was right. And Bernie railing, against Wall Street and these trade deals. Eight for years and years and years he foresaw what trump? Actually acted on and. You. Know Hillary Clinton had so much baggage and those Goldman Sachs speeches were part of a massive baggage that she had to wear around her neck in two thousand sixteen and you can make a long list of the mistakes that were made in their campaign and those Goldman Sachs peaches. You know she had made those speeches at Oh. I don't know some other really big bank that. Terrible things it might not have been so bad but Goldman Sachs. The Poster Child For the two thousand and eight recession that destroyed the careers of millions of Americans who lost their hopes. Now. You're and she and she was clueless about it. She was always clueless about it. She should've released them. I think trump not releasing his tax returns it's really going to hurt him. Think less so I think less so than with. With Clinton, because with Clinton's refusal to release speeches actually was more of a of an anomaly in the overall picture people have of the Democratic Party than trump's reviews to release his tax returns I mean everybody knows trump is a rich guy who does all sorts of stuff behind the scenes that he doesn't want people to know about I mean that's sort of part of the action right at its heart. It's part of the package you're exactly right in the case of the Goldman Sachs peaches with Hillary Clinton. That was more of an anomaly against the you know the background and certainly then her failure to go to Michigan and Wisconsin, and so on. Just says to those lunch bucket people out there. We really don't care about you. We just don't have any time for you and. Yeah. When did the Democratic Party go from being Huey Long Louisiana taking care of or James Michael Curley at Boston taking care of lunch democratic working people to raising money on wall. Street and rewarding donors with nights in the Lincoln bedroom that that shift. Is To me what lost her the election. Imagine for a moment that the polls are correct and that Joe Biden actually does. Score a pretty healthy victory over over covid president. Donald Trump. It seems like there are a lot of people out there who are. Angry and ready to get angry and etc. Right and. What does Q. on do in the event of Biden Victory? Well I think they. take their message right to the bank just like Fox News does. And they grow their membership mean. A. Biden victory means that Democrats will be in control of the country. And that allows. All these right wing organizations to raise money. By telling by telling their members and prospective members at the world's coming to an end. That Biden is a pedophile who's going to You know. And and hordes of criminals who are going to break into your house. and. When in fact you know Biden is. I've known that I've known. I've covered. Joe. Biden. I've known about him since I've known him since nineteen, eighty, four, I mean. is about as moderate as they come. He's about in the least socialist politician that I could possibly think of. And so but but but no doubt. Cunanan all those groups will raise money against the notion. That The Socialists are going to be knocking on their door to take their. Yeah well. And I I wonder also about the the role here that. There's this whole conversation that goes on all the time in the United States these days about. People being overly pc or whatever and. You see all these memes online and so forth and actually you even. An alleged liberal like Bill Bill Marr frequently plays on this thing where he thinks that the that the left has just gone crazy. Trying to be politically correct and so so on. Is that going to be. A big feature of all the pushback in in the in the coming years or will Joe Biden's sort of? Traditional you know we keep using the phrase lunch pocket but that sensibility from him. Help to blunt some of the some of that. I think that sensibility in him, blunt some of that but. I'm the first to admit that there's some some. PC stuff going on Democratic Party. That you know is I think less of a Democrat versus Republican issue that it is just cultural You know my view is that. You know we white men. are watching a an enormous transition going on in the culture before our eyes and we have to wake up and be part of it. Or we're going to be swept out to sea The you know. We've been living high on the hog for a long long time. And women and people of Color, gays lesbians are saying we've been put down for for centuries and it's time for us to have our seasons, the table and. Democrats have to embrace that. And Republicans skillfully point that out as PC. When in fact it's just it's a it's a massive cultural change that's been a long time coming whether it's me to. Or what happened Yeah I mean. That's the hear these phrases like Social Justice Warrior, and so on and. And I sometimes want to what sort replied to it by saying. So are you are you a warrior opposed social justice is is the idea of having a just society a bad thing. And, and I do think that there is I think I think some of some of this again goes to tone and the idea that you have to recognize that. That that. You're trying to bring people along. And and it's it's got to be a tricky business. And it's going to be it's going to take just a right I think blend of of common sense approaches and. Pushing for progress that. That will be. Most effective I I think that that the I'd idea here from some on the left that. That, we can use whatever. Stylistic approach or rhetoric we want and just leave in the dust to anybody who's not along for the ride. Probably believe not the best way to go. I, think you're GONNA WANNA see people be go. Yeah. Well, come on I. Mean of course we we don't mind a slight change of vocabulary from time to time or whatever because we're just trying to be polite and and and help people feel comfortable and so on and so forth. I mean is that is that the way to go or do you think I'm I? You know I I've sometimes an incremental listen sometimes a bomb thrower and Eileen I lean towards the incremental side on this one. I mean I it change comes slowly it's a big country it's a huge government and You can't do it overnight can't do it overnight. Well, we are not GonNa do it on this seven day Graham show heater where instead we're going to have to say thank you very much. For, joining us this morning we'll continue this conversation at another time. Thanks, Kevin, thank you. All right. 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Stay with us into the second hour of our program on this Tuesday morning October, the twentieth end we I love to chat with our CBS News correspondent individually at the just after the CBS News at the Michio break here, and we're going to be speaking with Pam faulk and. She on the line right now. I believe Pam. How are you doing? Good exciting live broadcast. I mean, you can't even keep them. Twitter can't keep up with the changing. No so it's great. Just. So, what are the What are the headlines on the global scene mind on the Global Front Dave? Sorry air that the world has passed forty million cases. I. It's really a grim milestone with over a million deaths million one point, one, million deaths, and you're seeing the US fill top. The list you've been talking about surges in the United States with two way up to states way up about twenty six states still surging but on the global list. It's the US India Brazil Russia are topping the list, but you're seeing the European nations also with the majors with major surges. Ireland will be the first European Union country to return to an entire lockdown. The prime minister said, the nationwide stayed home orders affects schools are staying open, but only to workers can go. To work bars and restaurants are limited to take away or delivery take out I. everyone in the country's being asked to stay at home, and this is coming as you mentioned as in the United States, there's. the same issue, and this is all of it is coming when there's a triple hit, there's Kobe there's climate change. There's a severe global recession and they're all related. In large part to covid nineteen. Now, the IMF said this week that the world pandemic related recession will shrink the entire world economy by four point, five percent in two, thousand, twenty. So that's the worst since the Great Depression. So the combination of all of it and storms hitting. Hitting US states and hitting. International, areas they can't afford. It makes Corona Virus response much much more difficult. So in the United, States, eight million more people have have slipped into poverty and We saw that the food banks are are now in need in the United States so that the feeding America Food Bank organization said eight billion not million billion meals will be short. On I in the coming year and and that jobless claims are obviously up. So that is is much worse on a global scale two, hundred, seventy, million people don't know where their next meal is coming from. So it's It's it's it is the perfect storm. Yeah. It's really a bad scene out there. If there's one silver lining someone told me the other day that look like at least in some places and I wanted to ask kind of what the world lot worldwide report is on this. That the death rate from Corona virus, the actual mortality from this disease seems to be on the decline you know about that. Yes they they have looked I mean. Now you know the more numbers they get the more, they can get recovery's the global death rate. As the numbers of the cases go up the the percentage of global deaths are going down doesn't necessarily mean that global deaths are going down my doctor experts tell me but and that may get worse with with countries not being able to deal with surges in other words not enough beds not enough food not enough supplies but with forty million cases and one million deaths I, you see a lot more recovery than you did before. Is there any any specific reason for that or therapies coming along better that are found to be helpful or is it really just a matter? Still nothing I mean, you know there's they they are working on the vaccine, one hundred and seventy different vaccines I. Think I mentioned President. Putin. Offered Russia's first back. They touted as the first vaccine out. To UN staff, but no one at my end is standing in line for it but I the the the you win is coordinating It's called a Kovacs program and they're trying to coordinate all the vaccines. Now, each country would give their people the vaccine first needless to say, but it shares information patents everything else so that as countries are able to sell vaccines, they're able to sell them around the world, and so that doesn't answer your question, but it is an important aspect. The US has not joined this program but most other. Countries have and so the idea is to is to get the best information of vaccines out there. Now, that said the reason for less steps is that the world is trying to get more p. p. e. more protective equipment and more information out there about about masks and about hand washing, and that has I made sure or at least help the fact that the heavy loads of the virus are not being passed on. So people have lesser cases. That's what the doctor seemed to think why the death rate has down but it's It's pretty amazing. How much I the the food programs and everything else are trying to get in there because that's what's also key I mean if you people have corona virus and all of a sudden they're not working. The family needs food. So could because mothers fathers and kids working around the world and developing countries, and so what you saw was the World Food Program got the Pulitzer Prize and the program is an interesting UN agency. It's funded by voluntary donations. So they're trying to get a lot more money, but they buy from American farmers as well as farmers around the world and they distribute around the world. At two countries where as as as the had said to seventy million people are living hand to mouth. So I think it's the combination of the world coming together to try to get the resources. Needed for really poor countries to deal with corona viruses why there's a lower death rate is what I've been told. When you look in this sort of three leaders, I put leaders in quotation marks because it's not a dubious distinction but in the coronavirus right now, which are the US Brazil and India. You know historically, certainly Brazilian have been four countries than the US. Our our Brazil and India doing in combating the coronavirus related to the US is are they? Are they really having having a greater struggle with thick. So just by sort of. Earthly. Oh i. mean the numbers are obviously lower in India's about seven million cases. Brazil's about five million cases. US is over eight million cases. So per capita it's it's. It's low it's lower in the United States. The point is that the numbers are really high in the United States so Canada for example, Dave, just close the borders again to the United States and we can't afford to have infection from the United States. So it is sort of I mean everyone around the world diplomats have continue to ask me at the United Nations. Why is the most developed country? The only superpower left in the world being a more hit. Then everybody else I mean don't you resources don't you have remedies? Don't you have any kind of things you know the president gets up and says he you know he took rim severe and he's he's cured. Is. The United States so heavily hit and no one really has the answer except that it it it just may have been mismanaged from the beginning we hear from Dr Vouch E who's under fire as well these days so but India has come around to be a very, very proactive mody the Narendra Modi. To, a very proactive public service campaign to make sure that people don't wash their hands in public water that they you. So Brazil with both the narrow both scenario who also got corona virus. Both us in Brazil leaders got corona virus. So they're they're pretty active. Brazil is in reversing Pass. So. have been very flip about it. So I think they're starting to turn the tide but it's it's those be that a really high. Yeah What is what is the thinking internationally when people see something like president trump really showing a lot of disrespect for is infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci. How International Health leaders regard that? Well they sorta roll their eyes. And they see a lot of countries come from places that aren't democracy. So they sort of look at the US. is coming around to their side You where where everything is coming out whatever comes out of the the White House or the executive branches is Gospel. So. They're they're sitting there saying you know if you can't do it. What are we supposed to do I? mean the US is the biggest contributor to all multilateral institutions you when I am of and they think Oh and they also see they're very worried about if there is a downturn and they see this kind of divisiveness especially with going not by science. But by politics, they see it as what does it mean for the economy because everything and will end up with the downturn because in the end. The markets respond to the way people see things and and the more corona virus surges in the United States the more the economy is starting to tank, and then they get hit you know the old saying is if the US gets a cold you know the rest of the world gets a fever, and so they're worried and look the European try union tried to sort of separate itself and be more more integrated in their own trade, but it's still. A look at the global world and so if anything has taught the world at its corona virus. So there, some people are starting to think about how to deal with the next pandemic but right now they're just trying to get there's swimming trying to keep their heads above water in this one for sure. Well, let's hope that things get better Pam faulk of CBS. News, thank you so much for joining US morning ended sharing your time with us Really. Library it's nice talking to you today to hear the. Questions about computer technology have come to the fore recently because last week big story in the New York Post has since been I guess the best phrase to describe it his all debunked. Or maybe complete Ivanka A lot of questions have been raised about it including the fact that the year reporter assigned to work on the story wanted to take his byline off I worked in newsrooms the before and I know that that is a really tough decision on the part of a reporter and it's basically a reporters none endorsement of what the stories is saying. And the. the The New York. Post had this story about Hunter Biden supposedly getting an email from a an executive order adviser to Barista Ukrainian energy company, and the email allegedly demonstrated that hunter was gonna be setting up a meeting between the Ukrainian executive and. His Father Joe Biden, the former vice president, who is now the Democratic nominee running for president of the United States and so the it raises the whole speaker of influence peddling and all that sort of thing if true. Turns out. There's a lot of questions around the the underlying story here including the fact that it came to the New York Post via rudy. Giuliani. Who is a lawyer for president trump in who has? A lot of stories have come out of the media over the past week or so and even earlier indicating it was to Giuliani has been working a fairly closely with. People tied to Russian intelligence over the Ukraine. So and. We know the Russians have have a habit of trying to interfere in our elections in no small way by. Spewing disinformation there getting bad stories out there aren't really very solid that raise. Raise negative. Views and opinions about certain politicians of course, in this case, this is Joe Biden because he is. He is posed to the. Russians. Favoured candidate the. Incumbent President Donald. Trump and. But underlying all of that, there's this other question. because. The the the laptop hard drive on which. The stories supposedly based was allegedly handed off by a computer tech repair person computer reverse running a shop in Wilmington Delaware handed off to a lawyer working with Rudolph. And this, raise the question in my mind about the idea of can you go to your computer repair shop to get your whatever on your computer fixed? And be confident in the idea that that repair shop isn't going to Willy Nilly share a copy of your high drive with whoever and. I decided that maybe what we need to do here on the day, Graham Show Wd FM and am and is bringing a couple of computer taxila no this business and can tell us you know are there any ethical standards about maintaining confidentiality are? Are there any are there any? Is there any thought given to? Making sure that. The clients material which they have on their computer whether it be emails or texts or anything really. Remain private, and so here we are. We are now going to bring on a couple of folks who are. Technologists here locally in the central Vermont area. Fred wilt is the proprietor of the bar on the bury my year road and he joins us by telephone this morning I believe he's on the line right now. Good Morning Fred. Morning. Can you hear me on speakerphone I can hear you thanks for joining us this morning and Reuben Bennett of rb technologies based on eastbound failure. RB. Technologies does a lot of networking network work for a wide variety of Vermont businesses end of room and I believe we had a little trouble may get your phone number to work but I think we finally got to this morning. Good Morning. Thanks for joining us. Good Morning. How are you doing all right so let's see here I. Guess I'll start with you a friend and ask. You end the kind of business where this is very common for you. Somebody just walks. I did this last week I had a problem with my my laptop and I. Pulled up at the Computer Barn and I walked in I said, my laptop isn't talking to the Internet these days. How can you help me and you know a day later? So I came over and paid a little bill and got my laptop back in it's been fine and. By the way, I appreciate the good work but. This is sort of like what hunter by data although there are some questions about. We didn't pick up as machine. Fairly, he just dropped it off there and and never showed up to get it again and the allegations when he did show up at the shop to drop it off, he was allegedly inebriated somehow so I don't know what all that means or whether it matters. But anyway, maybe he forgot where he dropped his laptops off. Fred. What do you make this case and how would you handle handle the? Situation, differently, from the way this guy, this computer computer tech in Wilmington Delaware handled it. Well. I'd like to say something to preempt that and I'd like to actually turn that answer over my. Head. Text Okay As our software. Advice with you earlier the state of Vermont wipes through hands of any security or personal data information, and it's they claim it's the sole responsibility of the owner of the electronic device being dropped at this location for recycling. Now, that's a different story than bringing in as A. Customer. And? I would like my check to just kind of give you a rundown on how we handle it. Okay and and what is your who speaking with now? My name's miles. How are you? I'm good how you doing. I think I probably talk to you across the counter last week. Off. Anyway. Realm O of Vanden devices because it actually happened quite a bit. For enough just don't come and get their things while Yeah. Yeah So we usually go thirty sixty to ninety days. from the time like we'll spend a month trying to get in touch with somebody. and. Then Oh, another sixty to ninety days buck. Then the device will get recycled, and at that point, we usually physically destroy the storage device whether that's a hard drive or solid state drive. Get destroyed so nothing can be recovered office. I see and. Have you ever had a situation where anybody came in and asked you for someone else's heart driver or solid state drive or whatever. So we always ask that if anybody else is going to pick up the device, we have to have their name and they have to bring in we as you think through, we gave you a piece of paper thing you you must device was So they usually after by now paper end. As the receipt that you do it a lot of repair shops for a wide variety of different things that people get fixed you get a little tag or if you know a classic dry cleaner receipt or something I mean that's fairly normal. I would think routine part of the business. I actually identifies the model and make them machine. So. What do you think miles of the of what this computer tech in? Delaware allegedly did in terms of I calling the FBI and the FBI subpoenaed the the hard drive but I don't think they necessarily known about it without him, calling them and then secondly. Having A. Having A. A. This other instance where this lawyer comes into the shop says, hi, I'd like to get a copy of this hard drive off of Hunter Biden's. Device and I guess the answer was sure here you go. What do you make of that? I mean for us, we probably wouldn't have even known the email is because our practices is we don't look at any data or anything we only. Go in there for the point of whatever the problem is. Come in and say, you can't connect to the Internet. We're going to check network settings and things like that but we're not gonNA open your email program off because we have no reason to be in there and you know with a code of ethics and everything we. Contact as small as we can to achieve the job requested. So. As. You know you came in saying you can't connect or something. I don't know why somebody would be checking email. Of course, we can't even check your emails because we don't have you're logging right? We don't take that information. I guess that's part of a protection there. Are there ways that That The FBI could have gotten into that email. Without the password. Course. As the government can do anything you want. Reuben Bennett, I was talking to you yesterday. RV. Technologies, and. We have a couple of minutes ago before the bottom of the hour break and I'm going to talk about this more after the break but. The question came up I was asking you whether people who are working in information technology have any kind of an ethics code that governs? The confidentiality of client or customer data and that sort of thing quick answer. Yes or no? Short answer. We have a code, but it's It's very informal and it's not enforced in anyway. And? Fred wilt or miles from computer are. You guys talk about an internal co they're. Nothing imposed from the outside right there's no professional association that says, Here's how you have behave or anything. But we do have a system in place. Internally That's that's interesting. We should talk more about that as well. After the brief break, we're going to do for a CBS news minute at the bottom of the hour here. And the, and then we'll. Also get a couple of words more sponsors in and we'll. Be Back with more of our conversation with. Fred. Miles the Computer Byron and then also route additive rb. Technologies. Hey. WanNa. 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It's the Dave Ramsey show wd, FM, and am. Nine. Have Computer Barney has a brick and mortar a computer repair shop on the very clear road kind of over near the Price Chopper Plaza over there and. Let's see. We also have a reuben vetted of RB technologies based in the eastbound earlier specializing in. In, doing the basically external outsource it work for a wide range of companies. and. I wanted to ask. Own also miles miles. You mind if I ask your last name. If it again. I L. FILC. Okay. Got It. And I'm wondering about the internal policies that you have there at the computer. Barn. kind of never really occurred to me before until I saw this story last week and it's kind of ironic that I actually had my laptop in the shop there last week I don't have any big secrets on my on my laptop this sort of my certainly my work laptop there's not even any personal emails or anything it's all just sort of. Stuff I do for the radio show here mainly and I'm wondering. But if I wanted if I wanted some aspect of my work here at W. DVD, be to, be, kept secret. How well can I rely on that and do you have an official policy for your staff there that says? You know whatever Graham is working on his secret. Right so I mean it's Like a code of conduct, their assets that you know all of our tax we teach hell we expect that you keep your trying to a minimum again that we're only looking out things that are solve problems we're not opening of. You know documentation or word documents we're not going in and looking for anything. We're only there to sell solve your issue and keep everything as small as audible. Yeah. Reuben Bennett we were talking a little bit about the the idea that maybe there ought to be some kind of external controls here I mean so many other professions I think of you know I worked in journalism for a long time as a reporter for the Associated Press there's no sort of state licensure or anything like that for journalists, but there is. There are outfits like the Society of Professional Journalists which which have an ethics code and and have us. Try to make sure that we are treating people fairly and getting both sides of the story and you know all these other rules that have to do with. Everything. We have and the. And and I just wonder is there anything like that? I mean is there it's sort of. AMERICAN SOCIETY OF COMPUTER technicians out there which issues sort of similar guidance. So there are a whole bunch of different industry associations and you know any ethical computer. Repair Company or Servicing Company has a very strict internal code of conduct You know at the end of the day, we are the holders of the keys to a lot of kingdoms You know we we have the passwords and the access to anything on these networks, and that is a responsibility that whether you're holding somebody's individual laptop or an entire networks, you know intellectual property and business property It's it's a a really serious responsibility that is entrusted to us and. Those of us who are in this industry that that succeed we do that in large measure because we have very carefully cultivated and earned that trust So you know. A breach like this where somebody hod through somebody's private property, which in my mind, your data is your private property. is a that's a really serious breach and you're hearing from for miles and Fred you know they operate in and much. Similar way like we we not only don't go looking we actively avoid looking. WanNa know what's on the machines you know? That's just that's that's part of the ethics of of what we do That said while there are a whole bunch of different trade groups and we're a member of a number of them. And some of them have ethical codes of conduct and you know sort of frameworks for how we should conduct ourselves There's there's nothing really industry-wide. We've all sort of adopted and said, you know this is a series of norms that we're going to collectively Agree that will hold ourselves to. And there's no external validation for any of it. There are you know validations and norms for security and for. Data, transport and transfer and. A whole bunch of things. But but in terms of sort of base ethics of what we do, there's really not there's no sort of external audits or Quantification of. An how we operate right. Let's. Let's bring listeners online. San from Williston scholar and Good Morning Sam. Mine Standing that the property was abandoned and there was a certain period of time that he had to go back into, pick it up and did not, and then the the proprietor took over our are you and then opens it up. Are you under application if you discover say child pornography or something that I laughed at that, you need to be calling up authorities I can take a swing at that and I'm GONNA. Did you don't mind because in one of my past roles I was the chair of a local school board for ten years. So an interesting wrinkle to that is that when you're the chair of the school board or a school board member or an elected official in the school children age, you are mandated reporter. So that means that if in my work I stumbled across something that look like. Child pornography or something along that line I would be legally obligated to report that so So the short version of that answer is, yes, You know there there are certain standards that you know when you see harm being done Then you've got an obligation as especially if it's child pornography and and that report. Agent to fix this up was headed that task force I don't know if it was good incidence or because he was the only agent and Delaware I'm not sure if that's the case, but he is the head of that so. There could have been. WHO KNOWS Was, was there any report from the computer tech that? There was a child porn on this guy on this laptop. That He didn't. He actually wouldn't go into it but it was just that the agent that pick up the. Computer and He was the head of that task force friend I WANNA to ask you or or miles. To Sam's first question, which was after a time when the when the machine is determined to have been abandoned and and I think I think miles you were saying that this is not uncommon that people do come down come down and drop stuff off, and then just sorta never pick it up and they can't be founded CETERA. Ninety haven't abandoned machine. And and you are putting it in a special category of maybe it's going to be recycled or whatever does that does that abandonment change? The privacy rules surrounding in an all. Know. There's no reason for us to be snooping around anybody stuff and honestly I think this Hunter Biden thing is we motivated because obviously they didn't find something that was illegal that found something that was of politically expeditious. So I don't see any reason why we would even care what is on somebody's abandoned machine. What we're more concerned with is just disposal of the thing. Mile said we hold onto it for a good long time so that we don't you know somebody doesn't come back as you know four or five months and say, Oh, I was on vacation. But after a while, you just have to cut your losses in the just we just destroy the hard drives. Got It. Okay. Ask figure and we also have drill press and oftentimes I'll just put take drill press to the hard drive. Sam Design Issue Question. Sure, you're saying I'm just thinking if it was a shoe on the other foot, is the guy the hero? What do you mean? And this was trump's are dr one trump's kids are guys. I don't know what? The guy a hero if it was a different political party or something. I gotTa feel. My life problem was is wise I. Held this for here. Why why? Why didn't this come out during the the impeachment hearings they had it then, MIAMI? Evidence that could've of US saying, Hey, we may have an issue here but they did. So. How long he's going out, I'm not sure. Okay. Louis Louis Let. Who is who is trying to get in there? Fred. Been, Okay Ruben, I'm sorry go ahead Ruben. So the bottom line is that this technician went through the hard drive looking at the data, which is deeply an inexcusably unethical je don't do that. You don't go looking through somebody's private property, and this actually speaks to a bigger issue, which is that the closest thing that we have privacy expectation here is the computer fraud and Abuse Act, which says you do not go. Looking in an unauthorized way for for data including sort of includes computer repair, but it's really broad and it's really nonspecific So we don't have a concept in the United States of our data belonging to us, and it's a really stark difference compared to for, for example, the EU where they have the general data protection regulation. So the contrast is the CFA was introduced and adopted in nineteen, eighty, six it's. Thirty four years old. GDP are. Put in this concept that data about you belongs to you. So all of eat knowing cookie banners that everybody seeing on every website, all of the sudden is because of the GDP are saying your private information is yours and at a minimum, you can tell the website or the company that you visited that you want to be forgotten. This right to be forgotten is this really core tenet of GDP are we don't have anything along that lines here there's no legislation that says we have any reasonable right to privacy or that our data for to sort of go back to this hard drive that our data once abandoned still belongs to us because that data is us an extension of us. We'll let me let me get to the to the show here because. And we are going to need to go to a break and just a couple of minutes here, but I'll start on this anyway. Ruben. Do you do you think there should be legislation in the United States along the lines of the GDP are from the European Union That the talks about. The privacy of data. I'M GONNA. Go a little farther and save that. We need to look at the humanity i. So what what is? Right. So all of this data about me that I might store on my hard drive is that is that an extension to me is that mine I certainly feel that way and I think anybody who has a computer would feel that way. This technician obviously didn't feel that way and and that is a fundamental problem. there's there's friction there right abandoned. Hard drive does that piece of me that information does that become not mine anymore but I mean my question is should there be you know should the Vermont legislature will get after this when they returned to my failure January and trying to draft a bill to say that in the state of Vermont the following standards apply to the expectation of privacy when you drop your your computer gear off to get fixed I think that would be too narrow. I. Think we really need to be looking more at our expectations of privacy and what data belongs to us. Yes I think that's a very small starting point I think that it's reasonable to expect that we have. The right to the information about us Be Private But I. Think. This is actually quite a lot. Quite a much bigger issue than you know me dropping my laptop or repair shop then having a legal expectation that they don't go pine true it. Yeah. I mean I think this is actually really fascinating and may actually be a time for folks like you guys to get organized and and maybe you know suggests some some standards or whatever Fred. Do you think that there's I mean I think of other professions in Vermont? Teachers have a lot of confidentiality. WHO has an issue with one student can't talk to the parents of another student. All about the first student as just that would be a violation teacher confidentiality and it would be a probably cause for serious discipline against that teacher maybe up up to and including dismissal from his or her job. Lawyers have have expectations of confidentiality when you bring your your case to a lawyer. The lawyer is not going to the local pub and it all over town, and if the lawyer does that you have a complaint with professional conduct board here in the state of Vermont. And a legitimate one in one where that re- that lawyer ought to be sanctioned up to and including maybe disarming if it's repeated matter whatever. I mean in any number of other fields certainly with you know mental health workers, psychologists, and social workers. In those folks, they have very strict confidence confidentiality rules, and if I just keep hanging out after I come up with a dozen other professions where there's state licensure and where you can lose your license if you are not a good keeper of secrets basically. Should there be a similar situation in the computer world I'll start with you fred. Okay. So I'm I'm kind of on the fence on that one because overregulation sometimes can be really limiting on small businesses like ours we don't make. Hundred three hundred dollars an hour. Like the lawyer. Good. Point. there. As far as I'm with Ruben all the way I totally I'm a immense what he said. But you know if the state's GonNa Start Messing around with. All kinds of. Little do's and don'ts, I don't know. Ruin Bennett. Let me get your thoughts about that should there be any kind of formal regulation like that. I wouldn't be opposed to it. I think the challenge in Vermont for things like this is the challenge that we run into hall all over the place, which is our scale were so small. You know read we have very limited it expertise as a state We have very limited pool of folks to pull from as a state. I mean, anybody in the IT. Industry will tell you that you know the the number of folks in this industry is just it's really small the number of folks in the entire. State is very small. So you know we've we've run into this over and over again right now project fails state you know we tried to. Make our own exchange. It turned into a disaster took a long long time we. I. So the While philosophically I'm not opposed at all, and in fact, would be supportive of of some sort of the framework that we all agree to adhere to I. Think where? Where operationally that comes to play would be would be really tricky. Because of the resourcing, like how much tax money are we gonna put to doing this and is there are there? You know we're a small state work collaborative by nature we. Fred and I know each other we work in the same area You know this industry is pretty small. Yeah and so I think the May be something to consider what would be actually just some sort of loose collaboration. So there's Vermont's -nology alliance a great organization that. Has You know people from software. Co, developers to website authors to companies like mine and Fred's. And we're all members. So you know maybe it was a good starting point be to you know the ETA to get together and start sketching out some sort of ethics framework that we all agree to adhere to You know I think that would be a good step in the right direction and it may uncover also what degree of problem we have because I think one of the things that's really key here is that. And it's one of the things that really stood out to me in this situation what this guy did in Delaware is incredibly unusual like. He's all sketched out because he doesn't WanNa talk about it because he knows what he did is fundamentally wrong and frankly he should be of business. Completely breached his customers privacy and expectation of of data being safe in the hands of this person, and that's that's an an ethical fail the scale of which. Probably should just put you out of business. I wouldn't bring my computer to somebody who did that once I wouldn't do it either. I have to agree with, but but I want to turn it over and ask you this Ruben Basically. We talked about teachers and other people in in in sensitive positions who must maintain confidentiality. and. At the same time many of them. Including teachers in healthcare professionals and so on. Are Mandatory reporters as we talked about if they see instances of say child abuse or or or child sexual abuse, anything like that, they are required to to report these instances. So. Should that kind of standards apply in your industry as well? I would say it. I mean it does. I mean it was only does he only you're a school board member but I mean if you were if you weren't a school board member, then the. or or how does that work? Well. That's the slippery slope. Isn't it? At the end of the day you know if I saw mandated reporter are not if I saw clear and present evidence. Buying a stake of. Some. Horrible Act being committed. I would have a an a moral obligation to do something about it you. Know what I hate to I hate to cut it off because we're just I mean this is really getting fascinating but we're about out of time unfortunately. Fred Wilt. Mile Silk and Reuben Bennett. Thank the three of you very much for joining us today. Excellent conversation. Maybe we can revisit it at some point. Hey. For today's. Edition of the Dave Ramsey show here wd FM, and am stay tuned four governor fill Scott's. By weekly press conference on the coronavirus crisis and tuna began to our show tomorrow. Have a good afternoon everyone.
CA to Puppy Mills: Get Lost! Ditto LA to Wildlife Markets!
"It's been a great couple of weeks for you. You showed up early in the year at just the right moment to get credit for all kinds of things that you've been working on definitely, give you and all of your listeners credit as well. We've had some terrific win. In the Animal Welfare World in California for the past couple weeks, so Do you remember dive in and just start to share? Laura because I've read about them. I know about them. Laura of course is not here in California so and she's in Ohio, which is not the hardly state to pets that California's so talk Laura. Let's let's let's help Laura. Get it because then all the listeners will understand, too, because these are some of them are a little deep, but but they're big deals. Cook County. Hi Laura, so the first one is ab twenty, one fifty two. Which strengthens the ban on puppy mills in California? This is something that we chatted about earlier in the year on the program and we are trying to close all of the remaining loopholes in California that. We're allowing puppy mills to operate We pass them great legislation a couple of years ago on this issue. And then, of course, a few bad actors got around things by operating sham rescues, and so this really close every loophole, so that puppy mills will no longer be tolerated in the state of California, and it passed out of the Assembly unanimously, meaning seventy, five, seventy five. Members are seventy, five eighty, a couple of them weren't there voted in favor of this band, and so now it moves onto the California state. Senate and I will keep you posted on how to advocate with the Senate to. Really push this over the finish line. Those are Democrats and Republicans who voted for this? Yes and there was a really impassioned plea to vote in favor of it by Republican legislator Marie Waldron really talking about how our humane treatment of animals, and the importance of it and so it was really heartening to speak such bipartisan support for the Fisher. Now. Does this have anything to do with like having? Pets in a pet store or is this just the ones that are breeding the animals? or The pets in the pet stores and so that pet stores won't be able to sell pets that have been sourced from puppy mill. Good Oh, that's wonderful 'cause. Some! Yes, so that was some great news a couple of weeks ago, or maybe just last week, and then following right on the heels of that we had la city council voted to ban wildlife markets throughout California and this is the first that we've seen in the state of this action, and this will be a huge decision to affect and protect millions of residents in Los Angeles to really close down all of the. Like markets that are bare. City or city or county? La City for this was a city council decision, and they are now working on how to implement this, and then we'll find out if the. Order supervisors is going to do anything similar. at some time were up also looking at this on a statewide level, so senator Stern, who's based out of Los Angeles, has also put a wildlife market fan bills forward, and that just passed out of the Senate Appropriations Committee, and it's going to move on for a Senate floor vote next, so I will probably be calling on you and your listeners for help in getting that one over the finish line, and what is a wildlife market ban? Okay so! That brings into the topic of wildlife markets, generally, so the wildlife markets is what we saw how we saw this pandemic again in China where a wildlife animal was sold and slaughtered and then. Consumed by humans, and so we think that this might go on. Just you know in other places, but the reality is that this occurs the wildlife trade, transport and consumption of animals is occurring all over the world, and we might be shocked to see that. In addition to those markets. We have them here in the United States in here in California. And they have the same potential for disease transmission as the ones that originated in China. So we really. We! Don't have pythons being sold in our markets like they do in China. Some of those pictures are real interesting, but I was shocked. I was so shocked I. sent you an email at the time. Sabrina I went into an Asian grocery store. In Stockton this is a chain so I imagine that there are other stores are about the same. That had large numbers of aquariums with live food catfish crabs, all kinds of things in them didn't smell very good, and they kill them right on the spot and hand them to the customers lots of them. It was they had frogs great big frogs. In one of the tanks. And frogs are are very dangerous, because a lot of do-gooders will try and go and purchase them, and then set them free in the wild, but there are different from the wildlife that grows naturally or naturally here in California and so that does. When they are released that releases all of the fungus and parasites that they have in their bodies out into the wildlife, and so people think that they're doing good by you know saving them from these wildlife markets, but thir- introducing them into A. Different Wildlife Environment and We're seeing from the recent pandemic is that? This could happen anywhere at any time and you know this particular one happened in China, but we're really right for this zoonotic disease transmission anywhere in the world with this conduct that's going on. There was a study recently that seventy five percent of emerging infectious diseases among human. Ours do not a which means. They're viral, bacterial, parasitic and Fungal infections that spread between animals and people. And so this is a really big wake up call and a moment in history for us to be making changes to protect us from having a future pandemic amtra protect animals from inhumane treatment. So it's really exciting to see California take action both on a local level on a statewide level and they are both the first in the nation to work on this issue and so You know it's exciting to be in California. While trying to make change that will positively affect the rest of the country in the world. And They Bolla is a zoonotic disease came out of Bushmeat in Africa transferred. Aren't humans most of these I? Think Marburg virus. I think most of the really evil things that we don't want to see roaming around the world. I'm not talking smallpox, although smallpox I think is related to a cowpox. I think there may have been something there, but. Diseases moving between animals and people is a big deal with air transport. Every disease is less than twenty four hours from in theory. Everyone in the world almost you would have to be very very far out in the boonies to not be close to air travel. When a disease comes over, and that is how we got this pandemic, which was not manufactured. They've looked but I'm just hoping that we have entered a period. Of truly great change in this state and in this country. and. California is a pretty good example, but with all the things that have been in the news lately one overwhelming story. I hope they were ready to change some things about the way we live, and the way we treat one another and the way we treat animals so that we will end up with a more humane world, which is by the way the title of the. Blog you can find every day in the left hand column of Seo pet radio DOT COM, and by the Oh, I need to tell you something you have to take this back to and I always get and Kirsten confused so if I just said her name wrong, I apologize last week on the program. We had PJ Smith on. Who was a guy I did not know and you, don't you? Don't call him jammies as a nickname, but he is in forty years more than forty years as a broadcaster. Yes I am that old now barely. He is the most skillful at getting me back on topic of anyone ever run. I would go off drifting that information just drifting in my add adult sort of way and hit respond to me and a sentence and a half later Hindi back on topic and he was, he was just great. Great spokesperson for why for is a really bad thing, and I am again. I am so pleased I mean I. Don't know where we get all these really great people who do humane work for. And, other groups, the typical guest that we have on this program use Sabrina I think of like Nancy Blaney, at aws, I mean all of these people that we have carol from. What rescue. What are they well Silicon Valley humane, and they're in her book Carol Novella the I mean. She was a senior VP at into it. You know you are, of course you know a baby big time lawyer who chose public service rather than the big bucks I mean I'm just I look at these resumes and the people we have and I. Say I'm nothing. Look at these Ono. Buying our methods across the state I mean the work that you're doing is really incredible and important because. You're able to convey what we're trying to convey to such a larger audience, so thank you well again it's it's radio and I am doing every. What I am doing is everything I can to build a bigger audience for the website and for the radio program. I need everyone's help doing that now. You have this wonderful event coming up that. I couldn't have gone to because I can't afford the travel there. Every big organization, every big humane organization has an annual conference and people with budgets, which is to say shelter, people and rich rescue. People get to go to these conferences and the rest of us just Kinda. Stand there and wonder what happened, but this year thank here's a benefit of a pandemic twenty nine bucks. You can attend issue twenty ninth. Annual. Animal Care Conference and I need to sign up, but it sounds like a really great conference our. First question and it's a deep question. Are All these sessions that are being done going to be available after the conference I hope. You know I need to check on that I would assume that they are being recorded and available, but I have not found that out yet and I meant to find out before the show so I can get that information to you and your listeners i. Mentioned I. I am so excited that this is going to be held virtually because I think it's very difficult for people to be able to take time off from work and other commitments, and and travel the expensive at all, and so I think that this really opened things up to people who previously have wanted to attend, but have been unable to make that expense and so It's so exciting I think that. That this is going to be held virtually, and you know even if it wasn't for the the pandemic, I, think that a virtual opportunity to hold this and to allow people to connect in this format and hear from these great speakers is really really critical to the future of our work. So as you mentioned, it's a twenty nine dollars right now until July seven for the twenty ninth anniversary of Animal Care Expo. And, it's going to be There's more than thirty sessions that are going to be held and a lot of them are going to be interactive. There is going to be continuing education credits for those who need the credits. There is going to be a virtual expo so that people can see and hear from other organizations, and really just some great opportunities to connect with one another all of the. Care work that is being done. Is being done by just as you mentioned such tremendous people around the country, and so this is a really wonderful opportunity for people to learn best practices from one another to communicate with one another and to really connect so that they can carry on those relationships. After after this the only thing I don't like about virtual in general and I'll go to you next Laura is that. This is on weekdays. I believe and lots of people who would attend if the sessions were in the evening or non non work hours. That's why we need. Make them available. Easily after the fact. Yes I am I assume that they are going to be recorded in available. Just for what you said that a lot of people are juggling, not just work that family commitments and everything throughout the day, and so I will check on that, but I believe that they would be recorded so that people can watch them at their leisure another time I mean I think there is. A huge benefit for people can attend parts of it I for the sessions where people are interacting with one another. I completely understand as I've been trying to juggle work and watching a couple of virtual conferences over the past few months, and it does get difficult with all of the day to day activities. I work to try to devote the time that. Wonderful material that thing provided. These are pro level topics. This is serious. If you can call up schedule, maybe we'll do a couple of them but Laura. I interrupted. You are cut you off. Go ahead with your question. Just a couple of things. When is this going to be held? And how could you sign up for it? Sure. I should've mentioned that. Lawrence Live twenty seconds to twenty four. Okay and you can sign up by going to humane society websites. And if if people purchase tickets before July seven, they are twenty nine dollars the prices to go up after bad, so be sure if you're interested interested in the of the listeners better was thing right now to sign up by July? Seven in and this is international. Anybody can sign up for this right. Oh, yes, actually that's true, so people can find up from all over the world and I the last time I checked we over a thousand people have already register for the event, so it's pretty phenomenal to see so many people who are interested in these topics, and who will be able to communicate and connect with one another also to pursue this work. And, if you have ever wanted professional level education, and you don't know that you can go over to Maddie's funding, get a lot of it online for free. This is another great source I mean. Did you get the program? Schedule up on your computer? I don't have it here but I was impressed with what are some of the topics? Animal Transport Lawrence lead I'm. Excited I'm looking at this. It's like okay of. Why why why access to Animal Care Resources Social Justice? issue should be very interesting. The animal transport back to basics courtesy of covid. Increasing access to veterinary care. Community outreach how to start a pet owner. Support Program I mean these are just wonderful things. I mean I. Don't think any any organization would would gain something from watching these. Convention is better than cure on guy. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No no I when I saw the schedule literally every single session founded important and relevant to the work, the world doing in this space so I'm so excited to see other people excited about the topics, so it was wonderful to see here. You go through it just now.
NPR News: 03-05-2020 6PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Kline. President trump is set to sign into law a roughly eight billion dollar emergency funding package to fight the corona virus. Npr's cloudy agree solace reports. The measure passed by an overwhelming majority in both chambers of Congress. The bipartisan legislation will direct billions to testing and treatment of corona virus cases. Here's Senate Appropriations Committee chairman. Richard Shelby president situations like this. I believe no expense should be spared to protect the American people at a bill signing ceremony. House Speaker Nancy. Pelosi said the measure will help federal state and local officials respond. President trump initially requested two point. Five billion dollars to respond to corona virus but lawmakers agreed that much more was needed. Quality Silas. Npr News the Capitol Massachusetts. Senator Elizabeth Warren is out of the presidential race. But says she's not down. I will not be running for president in twenty twenty but I guarantee I will stay in the fight for the hardworking folks across this country have gotten short end of the stick over and over. Warren declined to endorse anyone. Saying she needs to take a deep breath. She made the announcement earlier today outside or home in Cambridge Massachusetts after coming in third in her own State and poor showings in the other primary contests weakened her chances of winning the Democratic Nomination More Than Twenty Democratic senators are asking for a review into how notes taken during private therapy sessions with migrant. Children are being used. The children thought they were speaking. Confidentially but Danielle Czeslaw member station. Wmu reports immigration and customs enforcement of used the notes to argue for deportation in one case an unaccompanied minor from Honduras told a therapist. He entered the US illegally to escape a gang that ordered him to commit a murder. The Washington Post reported attorneys with ice used that information to argue for the teens. Deportation the teen is being held in Virginia Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex as are told a Senate committee that sharing clinical notes was a mistake and should not continue. Virginia Senator Tim. Kaine says he still has questions. Even assuming what he said was true. A area is was a widespread practice. Was it just one mistake? That fell through the cracks. Democrats sponsored bills in both Houses of Congress this week to ban therapy disclosures to ice the department of Health and Human Services says it will work with Congress to answer their questions for NPR news. I'm Daniela Czechoslo another downturn on Wall Street today the Dow fell nine hundred sixty nine points this is NPR. Federal prosecutors have charged former United Auto Workers President Gary Jones with two felonies including embezzling more than one million dollars of union funds. A death row inmate in Alabama it due to be executed just one hour from now is now turning to the governor and the US Supreme Court to spare his life forty-three-year-old Nathaniel Woods was convicted of murder. In the killings of three Birmingham policeman. In two thousand four woods was not the gunman but prosecutors say. He helped set up an ambush and deserves the death sentence and ten of the twelve jurors agreed the next. Mars rover finally has a name just a few months before it. Scheduled to launch Brendan Byrne of member station W. M. F. E. reports a middle school student from Burke. Virginia came up with the winning suggestion. No it's not the twitter verse favourite Roe v MIC Rover face. The rover formerly known as Mars. Twenty twenty is now called perseverance. Twenty eight thousand entries were received in Public Essay contest but ultimately seventh grader. Alex mathers suggestion was selected. If Rovers are to be the qualities of us as a race miss the most important thing perseverance. The rover will scour the surface of the Red Planet looking for signs of past life on Mars and prepare samples for future mission to send them back to Earth. The rover will launch from Cape Canaveral in July arriving on the Red Planet February twenty twenty one for NPR news. I'm Brendan Byrne and I'm Barbara Klein. Npr News in Washington.
1-15-20 What's News
"It's time for New Coal Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com and the progressive the voices network. The House is voting Wednesday to send the two articles of impeachment against Donald Trump to the Senate after a delay of nearly a month. Senators have been locked locked in a standoff over witnesses appearing at the trial majority leader. Mitch McConnell has been pushing back against calls from Democrats for witnesses including John Bolton Mick Mulvaney and others but he also signaled that he'd be open to bringing in Hunter Biden to testify about his dealings with Ukrainian liquid natural gas company Barista. Nancy Pelosi announced seven impeachment managers Wednesday morning. She said she relied on litigators. Who are comfortable in a trial setting while naming Adam Schiff shift jerrold Nadler Zoe? lofgren Hakeem Jeffries Jason Crowe Val demings and Sylvia Garcia as the managers. The House will then officially officially vote on the managers and then at around five. PM Eastern Wednesday afternoon. She'll sign the bill and printed. Copies of the articles will be marched over to the Senate by the managers. But there's an important note. I want to pass along on the restrictions placed on the media covering these historic events. Roll call is reporting in that when the articles of impeachment are delivered to the Senate a procession full of pomp and circumstance. Just one video camera and no still photographers will be allowed allowed to document the historic moment no audio recording at all. We'll be permitted leaving radio. Reporters empty-handed during the trial. A A single press pen will be set up on the second floor of the Senate where lawmakers enter an exit. The chamber reporters will be confined to the pen unable to to move around with the senators. So they'll be no movement allowed outside of the Corrales and reporters and photographers will need to be escorted to and from from the pen. There's more credentialed members of the media. who go through security screening to enter the capital each day? We'll be screened. A second time before they entered entered the Senate Chamber to watch the trial proceedings. magnetometers will be set up in the Senate daily Press Gallery requiring reporters to enter the Chamber one by one after being cleared by Capitol Police operating the machine in response Carl Hulse a veteran Capitol Hill reporter for the New York. Times said quote. It's it's pretty much an outrage either. Senate Republican leadership has no interest in recording history. Or perhaps they just WANNA play down the coming events all together either. You're way it stinks. Republican senators expect the trial to extend beyond Donald Trump state of the Union address which is scheduled for February fourth earth which also means it would continue through. The Iowa caucuses which happened the day before on February third and it could possibly stretch stretch out into the New Hampshire primary which is set for February eleventh. That obviously would complicate the presidential bids of Senators Bernie Sanders Elizabeth Warren Warren and Amy Klobuchar while they worked to get traction in those early voting states and as to the question of whether witnesses will be allowed. Well there's a growing number of Republicans coming forth saying they do on the opportunity to call witnesses. Susan Collins of Maine is leading the charge. Mitt Romney of Utah and Lisa. Murkowski of Alaska have also also signaled their support stay tuned now while the Democrats were debating and trump was feeding raw meat at one of his Nuremburg rallies in Wisconsin Johnson Tuesday night house. Democrats released a new load of documents that they obtained from left Parnassus he of course is one of Rudy Giuliani's indicted Henchman Shman and these documents revealed new details about the push to oust former Ukraine ambassador. marie-yvonne image and to pressure Ukrainian Presidents Presidents Alinsky to investigate Joe Biden. One of the documents was a May twenty nine thousand nine letter from Giuliani two presidents alinsky requesting testing a private meeting with the knowledge and consent of trump himself they also included handwritten notes by Parnis on Ritz Carlton Hotel L. Stationary from Vienna. Though the notes are not dated one of them refers to the need to quote. Get the lense key to announce that the Biden case will be investigated instigated And then there were the encrypted text messages between Parnasse and Robert Hyde. A figure who we haven't heard about before but is now a candidate for Congress from Connecticut little sample of those messages quote. She is under heavy protection outside. KIEF quote they're moving her tomorrow. The guys over there asked asked me what I would like to do and what is in it for them. She's talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off. She's next to the embassy not in the embassy. Private security been there since Thursday quote. They're willing to help. If we slash. You would like a price. Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money. What I was told if you want her out they need to make contact contact with security forces and then after that quote it's confirmed we have a person inside a lawyer for Ianovich said there must be an investigation? Listen you think from the perhaps there's hope after all files a majority in the Senate so that includes some Republicans supports limiting further hostilities against against Iran despite opposition from Republican leadership and Donald Trump. The House last week approved a war powers resolution forbidding the president from attacking Iran unless there's an imminent threat or Congress declares war but then again the White House on Tuesday announced its plans to divert another seven point. Two Billion Dollars from the Pentagon funding this year to help pay for trump's idiotic border wall. The White House wants to shift three point. Five billion dollars in counternarcotics funds and and more than three point six billion dollars in military construction money for total of about seven billion more than he diverted last year. Senator Jack Reed. The top Democrat on the armed services. Committee called the plan quote a slap to the military as well as a slap to Congress senator Richard Shelby of Alabama Alabama Chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee criticized the move but shifted blame to Democrats for not agreeing to more wall funding and finally Tuesday night was was the last democratic debate before the twenty. Twenty Iowa caucuses. CNN did its damnedest to start a fight. Between the candidates and the moderators were just plain. Awful for for an in-depth. Listen to some of the high and low lights check out my Wednesday show on progressive voices network at five. PM Eastern or anytime after that at at Nicole Sandler Dot Com. And that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler if appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider hitter making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. And I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole. Sandler DOT COM. Please click on that donate button.