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Mac OS Ken: 05.20.2019

Mac OS Ken

14:14 min | 1 year ago

Mac OS Ken: 05.20.2019

"Yeah. This is MAC. OS ken. In the vision at apple iphone accessories at seven eleven and lady Gaga at apple park, it's Monday, the twentieth of may twenty nineteen, I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from mecca west Ken, brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by malware bytes targeting the threats targeting your MAC is malware, bytes dot com slash Muko west Ken for your free download and fourteen day trial. This show is also supported by people like you patrons through patriotic. Find out more in that your support that patriot dot com slash MAC. OS can. While many decry a seemingly lack of innovation d'appel these days, at least one analyst says there's a lot going on under the hood and behind the scenes CNBC highlights and note from be a Merrill, Lynch analyst wom, c MO Han in it. He points out that apple spending on research and development has grown from one billion dollars in two thousand nine to anticipate thirteen billion dollars this year. Like everyone else mohawk has to rely on bread crumbs and tea leaves some use the supply chain. Some you secret so and so's Mohan's note leans on patents Cording the analyst the patents around wearable suggests that apple could be targeting air- pods with biometric sensors apple watch with U V monitoring, gesture recognition for augmented reality, and virtual reality obligations machine learning projects to enable autonomous driving and. Gratien of various existing devices with a car. Why don't investors see things the way whimsy does because the iphone is so freaking bright, when the iphone wants an generation product becomes the basis of comparison rights team. Mojo on everything else. However, successful looks incremental as an example. Mojo says, Apple's wearables business in just four years as the size before chin, two hundred company with us to mated fifteen billion dollars in sales, similar to Netflix, pay pal at Sarah, but the sheer size of the iphone of one hundred fifty five billion in twenty eighteen similar General Motors towards the rapid growth of the relatively smaller businesses. Mr. Mohan has a buy rating on apple shares. His price target on the shares is two hundred thirty dollars. Carplay is coming soon to blast years. Lexuses. I lounge says the gar maker announced that support for Apple's in car infotainment system will be available soon for the twenty eighteen NS are C, F, R, C, Elsie, and L S, and Canada and the US. According to the report, Lexus vehicles, that have the Lexus multimedia system can get the enhancement, which enables carplay compatibility and Alexis support as well. The only caveat though is that the whole update costs one hundred ninety nine dollars interested parties can contact a Lexus dealer for details. Now, the one of those stories that makes me wonder just what kind of stores seven eleven is in Japan. Apple insider, says most of Japan's nearly twenty one thousand seven eleven convenience stores will stock official, apple iphone accessories, including cables. Power adapters and ear pots the nicest thing you can get it seven eleven in the states is hot dog slurp and knock off your pods. Actually, that's the way it used to be I haven't been to a seven eleven in years. As for the ones on the island nation Napoli, insider says beginning on the twenty second of may, the convenience stores owned by seven eleven Japan or stalking a series of iphone accessories. Made by apple that appears that this is the first time a Japanese convenience retail chain has stocked apple made accessories. At least with Apple's blessing in translated press release. Apple insider had the chain saying by selling apple excess Arrese at seven eleven throughout the country. We will provide many customers with the convenience of being able to purchase at when they want immediately and nearby stores. Indications are that the accessories will start at stores in central Japan before expanding to other regions. The chain didn't offer an exact number of stores, nor a time line for the rollout. More news in a moment. But first word from malware bytes targeting the threats targeting your MAC from stops. It'll slow down your computer to actual attempts to steal data from you. There's lots of trouble lurking online. Stop it with malware bytes Melwert bites scans the average MAC and under thirty seconds, removing adware and unwanted programs that slow down your machine. Melwert, bites catches threats automatically either in the background, or when you're away from your mock, you set the schedule and let malware bytes, keep you safe morning, noon, and night, visit malware, bytes dot com slash Muko west can for your free download and fourteen day trial of their premium offering stay protected with malware, bytes, visit malware, bytes dot com slash Muko west Ken for your free. Download. Fourteen day trial of their premium offering and the big thanks to Mel wear bites for sponsoring this week show. It's never important when this happens, but it's also never not funny. I'm crazy. In love with my new hashtag one plus seven pro read the tweet from what apple insider, calls a media influence or working for T mobile, proudly emblazoned with the hashtag officially switched to end Royd. It wasn't course posted from an iphone. Apple insider says both the post and the account that posted it or now off Twitter. It's the internet, though. So nothing's ever truly gone. He stated the guy who wrote over the rainbow is landing on apple. Apple insider, says the estate of composer herald, Arslan, the aforementioned guy who wrote over the rainbow swing. Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Pandora and a large number of distributors and studios deactivation that they created a music, piracy operation that distributes unlicensed an unauthorized versions of copyrighted songs. Sounds crazy really isn't. Interfront look into selling podcast says spoken word albums through tunes once as I understand that. And I'm sure this is an over-simplification to sell them. The tuned music store, you need a UPC for an album, commonly thought of as a barcode those range in price, depending on how many need, you also need an IS RC, which is used to track tracks for royalty payments. That's a lot of work for somebody trying to sell their own music or spoken. Words stuff on their own? But for pirates well, it's the cost of shipping. Some sales, isn't it? So someone goes through all of those steps with the recording for, which they do not own the rights, then to cut the price set by the actual rights owner, and that's money for them. For example, says apple insider, the nineteen sixty four ethyl NS recording of for every man, there's a woman is sold by RCA Sony for twenty nine while the pirated stardust records version complete with doctored album, art sells for eighty nine cents pirates sailing unhindered through Apple's waters and Amazon's and Google's and seemingly countless others as the suit illustrates. It's hard to imagine that a person walking into Tower Records off the street with arms full of CDs and vinyl records and claiming to be the record label for Frank Sinatra Louis Armstrong, and Ella Fitzgerald could succeed in having that store, sell their copies directly next to the same. Albums released by legendary record labels, capital RCA, and Columbia and lower price yet. This exact practice are Kerr's everyday in the digital music business, where there is unlimited digital shelf space and complete willingness by the digital music stores and services to seek popular and conic recordings from any source legitimate or not provided. They participate in the sharing process. You gotta figure apple has language in its terms of service that put the liability on the offending label. The summit is there though lawyers for rightsholders. Don't think that lets them off the hook quoting the report, again while apple in the other stores are not accused directly of making the copied versions, the sale of the unauthorized. Reproductions makes them complicit the sued asserts. It doesn't infringement for which the pirate label distributor and online. Defendants are join. Only and severally liable. The peace says the one hundred forty eight page filing includes two hundred sixteen claims against various companies for copyright infringement thirty nine of those against apple alone. Apple insider, says it ends with a call for a jury trial. Request to the courts declared there has been fringe meant that each is willful a permanent injunction. Barring continued infringement an award of statutory damages to be determined by the jury and reasonable attorney's fees. From under pressure over over the rainbow to celebration under another, you may have heard something about apple building a rainbow covered stage in the middle of the doughnut and Napa park, fun fact, despite a few media events, and people showing up to work there for months. Apple park hasn't officially Ben open hasn't that is until last week nine to five MAC says apple on Friday held in the vent paying tribute to apple co-founder Steve Jobs, and marking the formal opening about will park taking the rainbow stage lady Gaga, the Cording to the report, lady Gaga fan blog, LG, and has posted a detailed recap of the event, including the artist calling on apple to create a be kind Moji and dedicating her performance of million reasons to Steve Jobs. She also thanked Zane Lowe for his support on apple music. And beyond. And finally today, it was a pretty busy weekend for apple CEO, Tim cook Friday. He had the Gaga apple park thing and Cupertino then Saturday, it was off to deliver the commencement speech at two lane university, which is not in Cupertino business insider, had cook, offering words of wisdom to attendees of the New Orleans institution quotes bit for a poster include an a world where we obsessively document our own lives. Most of us, don't pay nearly enough attention to what we owe to one another. It's about recognizing that human civilization began when we realized that we could do more together and today, certain algorithms pull you toward the things you already know believe or like and they push away. Everything else push back. It shouldn't be this way. But in twenty nineteen opening your eyes and seeing things in a new way. Can be a revolutionary act. Cook also talked about the environment about keeping people with the most to lose and mind when making decisions and the inspiration that was Steve Jobs. You can catch cooks speech on YouTube. No student loan required. Mac OS can brought to you by me and sponsored by mal wear bites visit malware, bytes dot com slash Muko west Ken for your free download and fourteen day trial, the show, also supported by people like you patrons through patriot. Find out more in that your support that patriae dot com slash MAC OS can advertising handled by backbeat media online that backbeat media dot com. You can reach me a couple of ways. Info at mecca. Wisconsin dot com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then. That is news from Moco west Ken. I'm Ken Ray. Chow.

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208: Ex Machina: The Company Town

The Critical Path

47:00 min | 2 years ago

208: Ex Machina: The Company Town

"Yeah. Holy, holy, holy. Indeed, thanks for joining us on another edition of critical path x. Makia, I'm Joe Ruben billing in Randers who is proof, reading his novel, your host as always editor and Andhra vase in co, host of the micro mobility podcast in the keynote speaker at the upcoming micro mobility summit in January Mr hor stadium or is wean wanted to record another special mocking episode critical path. After we were chatting about your visit to apple park last month for the iphone event in the topic of the old time company town came up and we thought it'd be explore a little history that idea in what it means today. This is interesting because we have we have a couple of things going on presently with with companies like Amazon, Google apple, Microsoft is our giant multi, the there. Approaching trillions of dollars. These apple got there, but the others probably will as well. And and so these are already compared to in terms of numbers in terms of conomic value to governments. Although there are many problems with these measurements, but generally, you know, people say GDP versus versus market categories comparable. But generally these are very, very big numbers. It's hard to get your head around now what what I would point out is that let's see how they are realized in the physical world. And one thing that you realize when you see these places is that they increasingly these vast campuses and and Microsoft wasn't one of the first to establish what is called the campus because it really looks like one and they became a little city Redmond Redmond the, you know, it's just. You have streets and you have a buildings and you have parks, you have of traffic and you have police all of them belonging to this company. And I've been to a couple of these places. And now of course, we have apple park, which is, were you ever arrested while you were at the by the Microsoft lease? You know what? I good question. I went there with with some friends once of because I had lived in Seattle for awhile and we went, we went there. I think because this is when I met our early in the relationship with my current wife or my only wife Carol. My my, my permanent wife. We were dating and it was sort of I, we took a trip to Seattle. I thought I'd show her this campus. Of course, she's a computer person herself, so so so I thought this would be nice thing to see in Seattle. We went there. We drove around and we got onto the onto the onto the different campus roadways, and and we were obviously kinda just looping around the didn't have rather aimlessly going around eventually police or a campus. Security car came around into how can we help you? And. We say, oh, we're just kind of looking around. I think we popped out at one point. I think what got their attention we popped out and we had some pictures taken in front of a Microsoft sign. You know, one of those whose big signs they have at the entrance. You know, we didn't give any obscene gestures or anything like that. We were sort of like take a picture run thing, and so they did come. We didn't get that being trouble. And my friend, one of my friends was cursing them afterwards because you know, they put us in this situation, but it generally generally we got out of their hair and left it at that. Of course, I love Microsoft today. Don't get me wrong, but this was like two thousand one or so two thousand one or two. And at the time that we're very, very, very scary and monolithic insure. And so and now let me just quickly segue into into apple park for those of you don't know this place because it's just brand new. And I've been there on occasion been actually on one occasion when when it opened and the had an event and maybe the first event they had on campus and it was a little bit ball. The trees had an. All grown, and a lot of the mulch was a bit smelly. So it wasn't the best. The best experience the mulch blown in from Churchill Downs near the Kentucky Derby, the shortage. In the world. Was fertilized with all the finest horse manure. Nothing. There was a moment when actually the. You know, the Steve Jobs theater has has this amazing architectural feature with this roof that is really beautifully suspended on on cure glass. There's no structural pillars that hold up this this. This was single piece roof that is a big disc, but in, here's a little secret. The the hadn't accounted for the condensation that began to form on the roof. And so we it was a morning event. So the nighttime, all this, all this do was condensing and had begun to drip off of the roof and people were sliding around the nose a bit slippery. And they got really nervous because somebody could fall and so they haven't accounted for the the moisture might have cumulate anyway, so. But the thing is this these campuses, whether it's apple or even Facebook today, which took over a campus, the belong to a believe Silicon Valley Asari silcon graphics every every major company has this campus, and the history is interesting because in tech campuses are known today, but obviously many companies have have larger campus. In IBM famously was sort of very, very proactive in its in its architecture, and I'm sure that they should be a book out there on on campus is technology company campuses. I'm sure it'd be make a wonderful coffee table book, but my my my my question I your question and my my thought here is on what this looked like before. And in fact, if you go back a century or so, perhaps even more than a century, you go back and you find out that this is not new in the were these company towns, and that just campuses literally, yeah, functioning complete cities. And they had their own housing their own schools, presumably and and their own restaurants in capital cafeterias. Probably more appropriate, say. And so these were with these comparable to what they had set box con? Yes, actually, early enough ille- US there would've been more dormitory style. The FOX gone on high ones were were most younger people, and so they would not be staying in individual houses for families. They will be saying more indoor Matori's. And I think that the the. I have had have cafeterias. There will be some places for leisure and so on. But they were in isolation from the rest of cities, and it was probably rather difficult to get in and out and no wouldn't have time to travel to the city maybe except on the weekend. Now, what what intrigues me is is as a as as a history of industrialization industrialization meant the building of new usually remote locations, new manufacturing sites, giant plants, and and often they had to be remote because they were sorting that had to be near sources of power in power meant rivers before steam engines to to have water power. Right? The wheels with turn belts would would be engaged and machines especially machines for for of for textile making for for looms. Those machines were operated through. These giant police attached to these giant shafts that were run from one giant wheel. Those those rotating on water power. And of course, water power had been used eons for for flour, grinding flour, but here's was being being harvested for operating complex machines. And so these things have to be near, you know, sufficient water supply and sufficient. So this is what we ended up with with mill towns built around rivers. And this was true in the UK I came to the United States, Germany and France, and and this and then steam was substituted for the water supply. And that that drove into the later half of the twentieth century to Sewri nineteenth century early nineteenth century talking about nineteen o eighteen five of roughly when it begins until about eighteen sixties when we had conversion to steam to about sixty years. For for the water system in another hundred years with steam systems, eventually switching to electric. And anyway, one of the first of the United States happens to be Lowell, Massachusetts, which is near where I live when I'm right now you worked for the mill? No, they're out there converting them all to condos now is the I I'd like to live in the in the condo inside of a mill is there's a textile Newseum visited. You could still see the canals that are sort of viewed. They're not operational as as power sources, but they had to carve these places out of the these canals to be routing the water to the mills. And so were there. I mean, there are a lot of mills in this kind of thing along the along Mississippi. Not not as much. I think that's, that's what's interesting thing about mill towns. They were set up around you England, and and this one was the first in eighteen twenty or so it can. Bearing in mind would have been. The American revolution was like seventeen seventies. And then suddenly, you know, by the eight by eighteen o five, you had the pollyannish wars. So you have France had its revolution and then and then the European powers began to fight with France because they wanted to export the revolution until the Polian was sort of the the, the man who harnessed the French revolution to create a sort of a potential for for European revolution. But you know, his attempt his, he had success militarily but not politically and all this crazy wars going on the Polian started. What is arguably the first World War. I mean, it's going on everywhere from Egypt's to to to Russia to to to Scandinavia. It was all over Europe and over where to the mill. Well, out of that, nobody is out of the chaos, literally industrial revolution about nineteen eighteen twenties. So it was a little bit after that that England somehow had these. These combined all these forces that that allowed industrial industrialization to begin. And you know, there are many debates as to what really sparked in music. We went Chroma period prior to to industrialization of very subsistence living. And then after this realization we were, we had an abundance of well, relatively speaking in. So everybody started getting a bit richer. It leads to integrate inequality as well, but it was. It was generally there's the birth of plenty the birth of excess which allowed which allowed the Victorian era. Bingo. And you know, industrialization everywhere you will lead to wars as well, obviously, because now but but but what we're talking about company towns from it. So let me let me think pull back and say, trying to we're trying. So if you look at cities that were birthplaces for industry of you have the Manchester in England, which probably one of the earliest I don't know. All the British wasn't London per se was it? Was these these kind of secondary towns. Maybe Birmingham. I'm not sure. Again, my history, my history, industrial England is very strong, but I know Lowell was the first in the United States. It was patterned after English. This mandate role turns out there was a guy in he graduated, Philips academy and then graduated from Harvard in seventeen ninety. Something to imagine. Like, you know, graduates like thirty years at the United States is born. So you might have been, you know, born right after the revolution. And then he goes to England, observes these guys doing industrial manufacturing with with with for textiles. So taking cotton turning it into clothes, and he sees these done with China machines instead of cottage industries and that he comes back and potentially copies the, you know, as we accuse others of copying great ideas of the Americans were the first to copy the. British deal of the mill town and the mill town. They certainly cherry picked. And so I, you can probably go around Europe and also find other replicant replicas of the English system. And so the mill town was born in the United States in the by weight Boston was was was useful. I because of the river that works around it. And Secondly, because you could get from there via very fairly short distance trips to to the harbor. So you could start shipping stuff out in needed to bring stuff in chain. You don't manufactured at value than ship it out again and Boston had somehow a little bit of unlike your perhaps at have been more room to do this more access to water. I've got an invalid may be silly question, but couldn't they just make a giant shin that has wind in water. And put a mill on the ship. Well. But. Yeah, it just the the time first of all, eighteen twenty. These were wooden ships though the technology for making for making iron ship, forget steeles Steele did not exist. Iron ships only came about about eighteen sixties and you. You know, in round the time of the civil war, actually, you had the the famous battle between the monitoring, the Lewis. No, no. The old Ironsides is the constitution that's wouldn't shift from more vacant, twelve. It's called size, but it's actually wouldn't ship. It was just because it was made of oak those very strong and it looked like the ship could withstand cannonballs little disappointing. I'm not gonna. I'm sorry about that. But I live in Boston so we know a lot about inside force been on it. You should go check it out. I think it's a lovely, lovely visit, but but it noted a mill onto, no. But again, just a quick. Another interesting detour, here's this, this great fight between the monitor and the Merrimack. Yeah. So these two Ironsides. I mean, sorry, not Ironsides. These were these were these were real iron ships fighting each other. You know was the first time that ever happened from then on all ships had to be made of iron because the one, if you had. Have IRA ship versus a wooden one was it was it was game over and so and so that all started in the eighteen sixties and even then they were quite small. And so people didn't really work out how Riddick things to build. And there was a great big ship called the great eastern that was built hope. It's eastern on western. I know both were built, but which was I, I don't remember guessing it was great eastern by by a guy named Brunell from England who that was the biggest ship, and it was actually you're onto something because his idea was like, how big ship can we engineer of antastic. And so he built his so they had sales and steam power, and and it had a propeller and paddle wheels. So like belt and suspenders very, very over engineered as ship because kind of, I think systems were not that reliable at the time. And so he had to kind of do redundancy giant ship. Turn out to be sort of a white elephant because it wasn't economical to use on trade routes. And it ended up being used actually as a cable laying ship because it was big enough to to have enough cable on board. So these Jain reels of cable and this laid the first transatlantic. Telegraph cable. So I'm guessing, time-wise is about eighteen seventies. I a lot of this stuff on you. Forcing me to remember things. I'm not. I'm not in all of this, but this great ship was used to lay a transatlantic cable, connecting New York or or or New England, at least or Nova Scotia to to Ireland. Was this this giant ship in? So yes, your question is not entirely coolish it, but it technology technology was not around to make something the size that you needed for factory ship and in fact Alta. Okay. Here's another point. They are factory ships today and they tend to be processing fish. So if you if you go out in the, you know, in the great fishing grounds of the world, you'll have the giants ships which not only catch the fish, but process them onsite into your canned fish. Like, you know, maybe gonna start beings, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're salmon or whatever. Maybe not Sam. But you know if it's if you're trips might end up getting packaged on the ship and end up on shore, frozen and ready to go to the market and this this, this is how it's done today to not stupid question at all. I think the the thing is only how long it took. It didn't happen in the nineteenth century yet, so, okay. So Lowell, the law was not a complete loser for not doing the factory, the mill on the ship, so, okay, so he's sets up. He sets up this mill and dizzy know right away that they're going to need schools and police in cafeteria in fire department and all that, or was it like a gradual? Hey, are bet. It was like the Chinese model today, which was that they would only employ people who didn't have a lot of demand of eating that. In fact, I remember this from visiting the museum that mostly implode young women mostly because. Firstly were available. The men were typically non ready. But the men were usually already already employed on farms as as you know, a physical laborers and so the women were less, let's say they certainly have. We're very busy, but they were not earning a wage. And so they were interesting. You know, families might send their young daughters to to work in the mill, and it was a very regimented environment they had to, you know, have worked schedules in the whistle blew, and then they changed shifts and they were. They were really constrained in what they could do. They were probably not very happy, but. But yeah, initially, of course, they were required to have no family required not to, you know, depend on on, you know of education because they were Elvin age and they were single. And so that was the first employee of these mills were young women. I suppose also the. They were have more ecstatic and so they could work on on these machines and also children by the way very common to have children employed. Well, surely this led to a lot of the controversy about the, you know, late nineteenth century labor laws and so on and abuses that occur. But you have to have children to run around because you need small people to go and pick the machines and scurry around and get underneath things. And of course he was dangerous work and. Terrible accidents while you might think so. But anyway, they had to, they had to operate and fix machines and and the these were the first and not desirable jobs, but it was. It was this is how it was an industry that was that was created and this is what you end up with. And over time the these mills came to be a pattern for other types of manufacturing by the way. One interesting Cavallo little note, Lowell was the place where the union uniforms were made for before the civil war. So the union, you know, if you see somebody in the photograph of the civil war, wearing a union woollen coat, he was probably made in Lowell because that raises the question of whose uniforms admissible war were were made by the worst form of labor. So. Well, it's going to the north civil war was more thus realized almost I would say, ninety percent of industry in the civil war was in the north in the south was much more agrarian, and and so those distinct symmetry there, in fact, still war can be argued to have been partly reaction to industrialisation because the north felt that they were moving forward in south wanted not to move forward. And of course. Laboured slavery were where we're the, the root cause, but the exhibited through dust realization. Now, let's go back to company towns. So so the point is that you have you have a process of creating industries, creating creating through manufacturing's, creating all kinds of greats. Wealth, but also power and the power, the power that results. Getting labor. And of course, this led to the reactionary through this labor has being fungible, meaning that it's substitute -able and the reaction of of marks was that he's, you know that this is this is unsustainable, and that led to the communist manifesto and so on. And he by the way, was was doing this in the eighteen forties. It was not that long after the the, the beginning of the process that built up over over many decades until we ended up with with with revolutions on that on that theme, but, but that was the problem is that it's south that this was this was difficult thing for people to to cope with physically and mentally and socially, and in that it was destabilizing society and and part and parcel of that were that cities were were built or according. To manufacturing lines and the people were treated as objects and people were treated as pieces of gigantic machines. And but in the industrialised would argue, look, we're providing them with with with with income. We providing them with with a shelter in decent life in by no means was life on the farm. All that easy. A lot of people were were starving. You know, if you had the bad weather, you could lose everything. And that was, you know, famine was not impossible. And here we had a much reliable predictable system and and yet there were again inefficiencies in the qualities, but interesting how we had a lot of that sounds familiar now, doesn't it? I mean, we have companies that are so powerful. They have their own mini cities. And of course what's on campus? We have a catheter. Syria. What else we have. We have a gym. We have recreation facilities, some places like Google. Actually people have taken to living there. You know by by by living in trucks, are you familiar with this phenomenon? This sounds like the worst burning man ever. Well, this may not be happening, but they were people. There were people because San Francisco housing is so expensive and these these, these Google employees were so keen on working that they would would move into the parking lot with. Let's begin. It began with station wagons. Like, you know, maybe a Volvo or something like that, and you would put your bed in the back and and you would you would shower in the gym and you would get your free food on on in the cafeteria or in snack bars and the you would work sixteen hours a day and sleep. The rest in enjoy your life on campus. In some of them began to double down some God themselves panel truck. Instead of they moved up to van and they got into a panel truck in the put moved into the back of the truck with the, you know, having a living room and everything, and I don't know how far away how far God and now there's even the phenomenon. Where where people are living in in RV's and these are these are lined up and streets and said, you know around Silicon Valley and that that is reminiscent of shantytowns and people living. I kid you not. I mean this this is somewhat shameful because some of these people cannot afford to live in in a building. They're forced to live in vehicle and actual thing. So we have. So if you could go downhill Camino, I'll tell you right now, I experienced a few months ago to go down l. commuter rail from around Stanford. You can drive for miles and see nothing but argues parked on the side of the road, and they're all thought this weird though, is there some RV convention, but it looked like they had been there while and I think these this, this, this is a neighborhood of RV's that were parked. On the street. I don't know. It's still going on, but there was an article I read about this sometime later that that this was something that was going on nurses and and people working in the malls, it's having service jobs that weren't paying enough to live in the house anymore. Now this is sort of another tangent, but but we're seeing some what would happen. And this is where I think this is going is that the company might be ashamed of this and say, well, look, what? Why don't we establish housing? Why do we also stabbed a clinic for healthcare? Because it's getting really out of hand was we have to pay if someone is going to doctor. And so when we hired a doctor ourselves and so we're going back to the company town. We have the campus, we got the potentially everything on the campus to allow someone to live there and and and and. Then what I'm just wondering whether in the queue years time, it's not immediate, that will go back to this idea that a company town than by the way that one of the things people have a negative connotation with is that when you shopped the company store and you bought your food and you bought your clothes, whatever you end up getting gouged and that these company towns were not a good deal overall in them, you know. One other example I might I just came to my mind is, is that military and you know, servicemen or women are also living generally on camps or or these military Moser facilities were in this happened to me where I was in Hawaii and most people may not know this, but why is huge military, especially on a walk loses huge military employer in in and operator land. So I had gone to pro harbor and I had gone through the tour and the, you know, this is me going to Hawaii. This is what I do. All the time is Pearl Harbor. I don't go to to the beach. I spent all my time at Pearl Harbor and I would always go. My hotel was in Honolulu, so I drove from Pearl Harbor Tana loose on long drive. But as I'm going back. Back. I wanted to stop somewhere to get something as severe, but there wasn't a harvest who've anybody more more more of a Hawaii thing, and I pulled off the exit and I'm like driving around finding a mall and I go inside so bit. It was weird because I didn't recognize any of the store names. Wait where you pulled over by the Microsoft police. Now I was almost pulled over by the military police. Obviously, obviously, what what this turned out to be was a mall for employees or of the military. Only. This is this was a part of the military company town. If you will be. As soon as I got in there were like, you know, I wanted to go into the mall and they were like, can seem, can you show me he military idealism? I'm sorry, I don't have one, but I could park in the parking lot. I could drive around on the streets. I didn't realize I was in this micro micro environments, Mike rose cities. In the middle of other places which are controlled by an entity, whether it's the military or accompany, and whether we end up with walled cities because we have, we have walled. Residents of residential areas, right? We have these these developments where this has to be security guard and you go in once you're in, you can roam. But outside it feels like there's a, there's a wall between us between places now and will we certainly have a wall around the apple campus in that sense because you not gonna really go ride your bike through it in park in the middle of the circle of of apple city in kind of, you know, eat their peaches or whatever they have growing, they're now they're going to be fruit trees there. You know, I'd love to eat the peach on on that campus, but but the thing is that that we, we are. We are going to words a future where where are living spaces in giant apple park. By the way, if you, it's hard to describe how big it is. It's so big that's bigger than the Vatican or. Or about as big as best as as as Jerusalem fit, give these old needle towns right in the middle of it that is or the imperial palace in or the imperial city, what is the Forbidden City? I think that fits inside the campus while these ancient places that were were known as as kind of or I'm sure mecca fits inside some of these places. While those are these, these holy sites are clearly smaller. I mean, apple argues kind of a holy site for for for many people so that that makes sense. You were saying something a little while ago that they cut remind me if somebody else that we wanted to talk about in terms of accompany town in additional lull. The other person was Henry Kaiser who did all sorts of crazy things you were talking about riveting. And I think that when he was building ships in in during World War Two, he went away from riveting to welding or something like that. Right? Well, so Kaiser of those Bono said, I n reviser was the dust realist, and I love the word. You know, industrialists we don't use that often these days to describe a guy like Jeff Bezos which which he should be calling. Industrialists creates industry, but that's, that's. Kaiser was involved in in several. He was a real renaissance man because he started by going out west. He was born, I think, Connecticut, he went to Oregon and kind of young man and and figured, oh, well, you know, I'm gonna make my fortune out there and he was, I guess, late nineteenth century when he did that and he decided to build infrastructure, he started figuring out make railroads in or or or at least roads in general. And and so he developed a construction, he paints Uber's something like that right eventually before even well, before that he got involved with the making of the Hoover dam in the nineteen thirties. It was a consortium of companies that built Hoover dam, but he was one of them. Then you know, he built, he went, we've got a contract to build a road infrastructural Cuba and then and then World War Two came around and and he wanted to help out in the ass. What did Washington need? And they told him, well, we don't need any roads or or anything like that, but we we need. We need were was ships or heard that they needed chips. He said I can build ships had never built a ship before because he said, what? What? What is ship? The problem was that all the shipyards were filled with the at capacity building warships, but there was not enough capacity to build merchant ships or the ships that would transport the goods that would necessary. And and so he said, what you don't need ships them per se. What you need is a shipyard and I can build. Bike and build roadways, and I can build dams, I can build shipyards. And so he took a contract to build shipyard so he could build these ships and that led to the shipyards in the bay area in San Francisco Bay and which which remnants were still existing today. But the at these yards which were built on marshland, they, he, he built the liberty ship of which like thousands were built and, and he figured out how to get those done in the semi line fashion very quickly. Like you said, he improved on the process. He used the design that British had initially come up with in. He simplified it, and this came out that liberty ships was very old fashioned technology at the time. Nothing special like turbo or turbines was using compression engines, which were a bit of old fashioned. These things were just boring kind of co-ord- model t kind of boats, but it was. It was something that. They can make a lot of intact. I think the record was like they built one in two days and it will ship. Yeah, yeah, that was that was a big deal is forty eight hours from beginning to laying laying of the keel until it launched. It was forty, eight hours. It was a bit contrived, the kind of really pulled out all the stops, make it happen as more of a PR stunt. But you know, nonetheless you, he was able to sustain probably something closer to five days per ship. And as a result, you know your multiple ships being built in parallel in all. This was done on fresh ground on top of that. He he needed to build the infrastructure to supply steel to these shipbuilding yards which out on the west coast was fairly hard to come by. So he actually built a, yes, a steel plant and in order to get the steal from the steel plant over to the to the shifts, he had to build a railroad and in order to get the steel made. Steel or iron ore. So he had a build a mine and so you have around scattered around California or the whole western kind of coastline. You have remnants of this empire he built, which includes, you know, power generation mining, steel production, shipbuilding transportation infrastructure at cetera. So all of this part because of what he did, and that's why he's in the dust realist. Enel top of that, here's the punchline is that he needed to bring him please there. He needed to again house them, feed them in he built company towns to do so around the mining areas in the round the shipyard areas which wasn't enough capacity as to build that. And then he invented a way to keep them healthy in that is cold. The the health maintenance organization or the HMO. So today, if you go in find the HMO in California's likely to be the Kaiser permanent HMO which is named after him, not much remains other than that, but it's certainly is one of the one of the greatest innovations of his off his life was to to have this HMO, and that's part of the history of the dust released the having to create the. The what's the word, the institutions necessary for civilization employees, but also customers kind of moving into these company towns which is different than some of these company towns from fifty sixty. One hundred fifty years ago. You're touching on an interesting point is that the corn the old days, you just bought a product from accompany them made it in a company town, but now you're you're, you're belonging to ecosystem. You're, you're tied into all kinds of different interrelated related products into a web of product that are all part of the brand, and it's rained, but it's also how I mean, a lot of people really identify themselves based on, yes, yes, it has. It has, you know you want that brand reflected on you and I, it's it's much more the hold of of the company on the individual buyers stronger than it ever was. And so in some ways, the employee is less bound to the company, but the but the but the customer is more bound. And so. So we might expand might see companies expanding their offerings. We think we're seeing that. Is there a limit to what they're going to be able to to get into and and control. Valve is that is I think the crucial question of this will passed. I think the the whole, what are the limit? I think that. What was going to say about the fact that we, we are now in the web. Spun by company. And we are in that web happily of because it is. It is eliminate complexity, some degree, but prizes in deeper and as a result. So life could like from complex today and the power of the companies is growing. And I think by looking looking at the history of the company town thing pivoting a little bit and saying, well, this are we all going to be long to town. We all part of that as opposed to just please. And did the company get so big, you know whether physically or virtually that it's already it's already captured us already. Yeah, and it's virtual. It's a virtual town. It's not as physical as used to be. By the way, we forgot to mention a towns like the Troy became. Came became not just company but industry towns and and so we ended up with the with the pitfall of that industry declining in this causing the whole town to to possibly implode. Although, you know, not quite ghost town, maybe we'll recover nicely certainly have been ghost towns of before tied to the to the Evans glow of industry. So I, it's very, very crucial. I think question in terms of how the when when the when government is is given the mandates to manage certain situtions education and health care, for example. But in yet this trust in the government may allow, you know, because if you have distrust you no longer are gig. Granting of the budgets and the means to to to do those things. And so to what extent are we going to see that transferred to the hands of private interested? Then where does it stop as it include police? Does it include, you know, peace, love law and order. That's where I think in the next up show which we should go into the biggest companies of all time, which were the East India, trading companies chew which which which some people argue we're far bigger in their Dave apple today. Meaning that apple being the largest at a trillion dollars. I think it was the East. India company was one time would have been eight trillion dollars. So eight times bigger than apple in this was something they their dividends tulips. So. Well, the they, they were incredible until the English had won. The Dutch had one, I think others have as well. And these things were monsters because not only were the immensely wealthy in terms of assets, but they they could have an entire army which would then call Nuys control entire nations. And we can also talk on a future episode about banana republics. What would which, which is not a retail store that I think is out of business, but. Only actually makes me. I. But yeah, they're still around, okay. Well, that's named after of phenomenon of of entire countries being controlled by by a single company and and that that that come, those companies were, you know, make growing bananas and and so they would impose their will. I think in fact, the Hawaii was created essentially as an agricultural business concern, but will we should dig into that in the next few shows. I think we got company town moving in the right direction here and good it. Hugh have not already Horace Annie's coast over Bruce on the macro vilified cast in addition to discussing the ongoing destruction of all teams, transportation, air next episode features review of Andrews novel thinks again for listening to critical path x. mock, you know, we will be back soon.

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Mac OS Ken: 01.10.2019

Mac OS Ken

15:17 min | 2 years ago

Mac OS Ken: 01.10.2019

"This is MAC OS, Ken. Apple has a date with investors. Another visit to see ES and a high profile arrival and departure, it's Thursday. The tenth of January twenty nineteen. I'm Ken Ray. And this is news from Matt go west Ken brought to you by yours. Truly and sponsored by molecule the air purifier. That actually destroys air pollutants for seventy five dollars off your first order. Visit 'em O L E K U L E molecule dot com. And at checkout enter offer code Moco west. Can this show is also sponsored by express VPN giving you back your internet privacy. We talked a lot yesterday about using VPN on public wifi. But have you ever thought about using one at home while bad guys stealing information is a big concern? In public your internet provider may be keeping an eye on your online activity as well. 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Apple's annual sit down with shareholders as at the calendar. Apple insider says the Cupertino company will hold its annual meeting with investors on Friday the first of March at the Steve Jobs theater in apple park. Is it in Upul park or on apple park to shareholder proposals or said to see a vote at the meeting one seeking a second seat for shareholders on the board and another that apple insider says request the board. Adopt a policy that discloses in Apple's proxy statement and on its website, a description of these specific minimum qualifications. The board's nominating committee believes must be met by nominee to be on the board of directors and each nominees skills. Ideological perspectives and experience presented in charge or matrix form. Apple is urging a no vote on both proposals. Basically arguing that things are fine. The way they are other items of business include reelecting Apple's board retaining Ernst and young as the independent registered public accounting firm for twenty nineteen and vote to carry forward the current executive compensation plan. The meeting is open to shareholders of record. As of the second of January, though open may not be quite the right word. Space is limited people who had apple shares on the second who wished to attend the meeting have to register the website proxy vote dot com. Registration will open on Wednesday. The sixth of February at eight AM Pacific, it likely close that day as well seats will be granted on a first come first served basis. According to the report. News of another apple related product from C ES about which to tell you a lock this time. I'm more says August home has announced home kitten abled smart locks at this week's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. According to the report conducted by August is a new deadlock that works with August, cloud technology and doing so it allows you to perform numerous tasks from your smartphone. These tasks include the ability to lock an unlock your doors. Manage lock settings share virtual keys with visitors and more remotely. Giving a friend of virtual key as the first time. I've thought anything about a smart lock sounded like a good idea. Maybe I watched too much max headroom, but the idea of technology leading the wrong person in or keeping the wrong person out. I e me. Well, I guess locks are just one category. I'd like to see stayed dumb. Due out this spring models will run from three hundred seventy dollars to four hundred forty bucks earlier this week creative strategies Ben baharan said on Twitter that the story of CAS twenty nineteen maybe Apple's growth in home kit, Siri and airplay to support. Now MacWorld seems to agree at least on the home kid side, saying home kit was a surprise winner of CAS twenty nineteen without stepping foot in Las Vegas or making a single announcement of its own says the Ps apple is having one of its best CAS conferences in years as companies turned to home kit on moss boost, their smart offerings with home can announcements from Sony. L G G E busy. Oh, Belkin are low Ikya teepee link and more. It's a say that apple can officially count itself as a major player in the smart home space, according to mock world. The peace wasn't all praised, by the way, while home kits drags MacWorld. Is a big winner the site says series lack of personality and its lack of third parties. Skills leaves apples virtual assistant way behind offerings from Google and Amazon. Isn't enemy's enemy, a friend. And at least one case apple seems to think. So the financial times says sandy parallels used to work for Facebook. Then he became a critic of the social network and now he works for apple at least. That's the rumor neither up nor parabolas offered comment for the report assuming at pans out his road to apple isn't interesting one. The financial times says paraly- monitored software developers privacy and policy compliance at Facebook for a year and a half he left there after he warned senior executives of the potentially damaging consequences of the company's data sharing policies, and they basically ignored his warnings from Facebook. He went to Berber than onto the center, for humane technology, the peace ideas, that is a campaign group that vacates for tougher regulations for tech companies broccoli served as that organization's chief. Strategy officer assuming he really does have a gig at apple. This may be the last we see or hear of an for awhile calling his position and internal facing role. Word is hill work with teams across the company to ensure that new products and development. Protect users privacy and minimize data collection. Wanna project titans heavy hitters as jumped from the spaceship? Apple insider says Alexander hit singer has been lured from apple to Volkswagen. According to the report hit singers role will be the director responsible for technical development advice. Wagons commercial vehicles division, the company confirmed, and we'll be taking responsibility for company-wide efforts for self driving vehicles. It will also be working on mobility as service which covers ride hailing car, pooling and shuttle services and could be a natural extension for self driving vehicles. While hit singers departure could be seen as a blow for apple. He could also be a tie between his old employer and his new one apple insider points out that apple and VW or apparently working together on pale our project where the Volkswagen TS six transporter van will be used to shuttle, apple employees between Silicon Valley offices, and they self-driving capacity. More news in a moment. But first word from molecule the air purifier. That actually destroys air pollutants. Most air purifiers do their best to catch. Air pollutants not destroy them. The way molecule does about a couple of friends sing molecules praises, including one who says he noticed the difference in his breathing within one hour of setting up his molecule, what molecule customer even says that she was able to breathe through her nose for the first time in fifteen years. Additionally, the unit self is pretty and pretty quiet. Not things you often hear said about air purifiers. Learn more at molecule dot com. That's M O L E K U L E dot com. Read more about the science behind it. Take a look at the device itself for seventy five dollars off your first order. Visit M O L E K U L E molecule dot com and the checkout and our offer code Mike O S can that's opera code MAC. OS Ken at molecule dot com for seventy five dollars off your first order. Molecule the air purifier. That actually destroys air pollutants and the big thanks to molecule for sponsoring this week show. One about music's cool. Features is expanding macrumors says apple music lyrics. Vail ability has expanded to seven more countries. According to an updated apple support page piece says lyric availability has expanded to Germany Ireland, South Africa, Spain Mexico New Zealand and France leading customers in these countries. View song lyrics and search for songs using lyrics the additions bring the total number of countries with lyrics support to eleven the other four include Australia, Canada, the UK and the United States. Remember how small apple stores used to be one of Apple's busiest still is though maybe not for long? Actually, I can't say for certain that Apple's Eaton center store in Toronto. As one about those busiest stores, though, a piece from macrumors says one study Pegues eaten. Center as North America's busiest shopping mall with more than fifty million people thought to have visited the mall in twenty seventeen. Apple's footprint in that mall is tiny I've stood outside at a couple of times. But never went inside because it felt like I would need something like a shoe horn to wedge myself in now macrumors says apple may be about to double its Eaton center store size. The says secret sources saying that apple plans to move to a much larger space in the mall currently occupied by apparel chain Abercrombie and Fitch Abercrombie is already moving. If apple only took over that space at size would jump from four thousand nine hundred seventy seven square feet to ten thousand six hundred eighty though the piece speculates that apple could take over spaces a Jason to the vacant store or the soon to be bacon store for an even larger location, assuming this is happening. It'll be a while before the new store welcomes visitors Abercrombie is expected in its new location until the spring. Thing that means apple wouldn't even be able to start work on the space for three to five months. The timeframe macrumors sees for bigger Eaton centre. Apple store is by the end of twenty twenty. And finally today apple plans to recognize the work of South Korea's finest. With a plaque macrumors says the Cupertino companies regional Representative will visit local law enforcement and present them with a plaque as thanks for seizing nearly one million dollars where the fake, apple accessories. I know there are probably laws against giving police officers gifts for doing their jobs, but seriously a plaque for getting a million dollars worth of counterfeit goods off the street. Why not just give them t shirts that say is saved apple a million dollars. And who knows maybe countless lawsuits, and all I got was this crappy t shirt. But you know in Korean. Then again, maybe it's a really nice plaque designed by Johnny. I ve or something it's expected to be presented on Friday. According to the peace, if we see pictures, I'll let you know. Mac OS Ken brought to you by me and sponsored by express VPN. Take back your internet privacy today and find out how you can get three months free that express BPM dot com slash MAC OS Cam this show is also sponsored by molecule the air purifier. That actually destroys air pollutants for seventy five dollars off your first order. Visit M O L E K U L E molecule dot com. And check out and our offer code Moco s can advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media dot com. You can reach me a couple of ways in fo at MAC OS, Ken dot com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until then that is news from Moco s Ken. I'm Ken Ray. Chow?

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Mac OS Ken: 10.14.2020

Mac OS Ken

25:44 min | 5 months ago

Mac OS Ken: 10.14.2020

"Is, Mac Os Ken meet pumpad many five G. Hits the IPHONE line and what's not in various boxes. It's Wednesday the Fourteenth Tober twenty twenty. I, Ken Ray and this is news from Mac. Os. Ken brought to you by yours truly and sponsored by simply simplisafe the right way to protect your home. Get a free HD camera when you sign up now at simplisafe dot com slash Mac os Cam. This show is also sponsored by better health online counseling. It's there for you. When the pandemic drove most of US inside earlier this year created a lot of disruption. A lot of people had to learn new ways to do work and do school. Such was not the case for better help. They were already ready to match people with licensed professional counselors in ways both secure and comfortable. You mean through the better help APPS for your computer tablet smartphone. Text audio video. Whatever way is most comfortable for you As for what you work on Well that's up to you. 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Tuesday's high-speed event presentation started with Apple CEO Tim Cook welcoming viewers back to Apple Park than throwing the presentation almost immediately to others to give the INS and outs of home pod. Many. Bob Board richer's apple VP worldwide product marketing listed the company's desires for home pod. Wanting. The device to have amazing sound to act as an intelligent assistant to serve as a smart home hub all while protecting the privacy and security of the user. This, they say they do in a smaller spherical unit that costs less than one third of the original home pods original asking price. On the amazing sound side company bragged on the devices ro properties as well as how well it plays with others. Others being other apple devices. Users can apparently sink home pod many's either a stereo pairs or to play the same audio throughout the home. The. Inclusion of apples you one processor makes handoff easier to handle according to the company. For what it'll play. Well, there's the usual stuff apple music, apple podcasts, iheartradio radio DOT COM tuned in with Pandora and Amazon music on the way in the coming months. As for the smart part Home Pod, many will handle or interact with messages. Calendar phone calls maps music because. The. Weather reminders and find my feature. There was also an interesting demo where users ask for personal updates and got them. personalized. So he you know multiple voice recognition is key. Now. One new feature mentioned and de Mode was intercom. This is basically what it sounds like. You tell home pod to deliver a message to everybody and the various apple devices in the house including other home pods, iphones, apple watches air pods, and even carplay units play or display the message. I have heard entercom will work with the original home pods as well though not seeing that confirmed. Addressing. It's smart home hub nece home pod many integrates with apple's home APP that lets control home connected accessories said scenes and stuff like that. Covering User Privacy Apple, says no word spoken to Home Pod, leave your home until you touch home pod many or say he. S I are. So, yes, it is always listening but what it here's goes nowhere until you give it the command. Request. A home pot or not associated with apple ID. You choose whether recordings are saved by apple personal requests only work when the associated iphone is home with you. And communications with smart home accessories used strong encryption according to the company. Now I, said earlier that the unit is spiritual. If you've seen a home pod, there is no mistaking what this thing is. Same sort of light up display on the top same mesh wrapping it's roundedness and the same white and space grey options as the original home pod. Coming soon to flat surface near you. Orders for home pod many began on the sixth of November unit, start, shipping the week of the sixteenth of November. Not Price, to beat an echo but not a device that will break the bank. Home Pod many will sell. For, Ninety, nine bucks. Okay. I pretend to hear you say but I'm worried about breaking my home pause many. Not sure why but better to be safe in your case. To that end apple care plus we'll be available for home pod. Many. A piece from macrumors says, that will run buyers fifteen bucks. When Tim Cook was back on camera, he took a moment to Brag on iphones past noting the iphone eleven has been the number one smartphone in the world since its launch and that I phone has led the industry in customer satisfaction every year since it's Get ready to hate all of them as the iphone twelve line makes the scene bringing with it five G. Connectivity. Which one? All of them. Had Been Rumored Apple announced four iphone phone twelve models and has had also been rumored. Each can support five G.. Cook says, five G. Brings A new level of performance for downloads UPLOADS, higher quality video streaming, more responsive gaming, real time interactivity, and more. The CEO says five Jia superfast, which he actually pitched as a security feature speeds are so good. He says you'll be less tempted to sign on the public WIFI limiting exposure to the dangers that lurk there. Every decade brings new technology that provides a step change in what we can do with iphone said Cook. Today. A new era begins for iphone. Today we're bringing by G. to phone. Then began the verizon commercial. Hans Fest Berg Chairman and CEO. Verizon took to the stage talk about big reds five G. offering. Verizon's by ultra wideband with large quantities of millimeter wave access will be live and sixty cities across the US by the end of this year. In ideal conditions, Best Burg says the carriers seen four gigabits down and two hundred megabits up. The four gigabits is kind of funny own Antonio Guy says an ideal conditions. Well it doesn't sound like you're getting four GIGA beds but we'll get, him. The other thing best Burger announced was flipping the switch on Verizon's extensive five gene nationwide network. That apparently went live yesterday. Boy would I like to know the terms of the deal worked out between, that bill and Verizon? Emphasis on particular carrier. I did not see coming. Now I said iphone twelve comes in four models here the rumor mill rang true. The phones are iphone twelve iphone twelve many iphone twelve pro and iphone twelve pro, Max. Starting with iphone twelve, remember the squared off edges of iphone Four. The new design returns us to that. Squared edges that meet flush with the devices front and back glass the front classes something special though. Working with corning delay, this display is protected by what apple. Calls Ceramic. Shield. It is said by the company to be tougher than any other smartphone class with four times better dropped performance than iphone eleven. The display it's protecting is apple custom Ole ed providing truer blacks, better contrast and two times the pixels iphone eleven or four, hundred, sixty pixels per inch. While that displays the same six point one inches iphone eleven, apple shrank the surrounding enough to make iphone. Eleven percent than her fifteen percent smaller and sixteen percent lighter than iphone. Eleven Choice of colors is not huge but they are pretty. With options and black. White Product Red Green. And blue that. Does things for me. I shouldn't talk about in mixed company. The candy coating is nice. Let's talk about. It's Chewy. Chocolate center starting with the phones five Genus Apple says, iphone twelve has the most five G. bands of any smartphone for better performance in more places. Additionally the company's silicon, the software approach. Let's apple make the best use of available five G. including choosing to not use five. G.. It sounds like iphone defaults to lt e tapping into five G. when it's both necessary and available. That is great for power consumption according to the company. Apples tested the new phones on over one hundred carriers and over thirty regions. In ideal conditions iphone twelve gets up to three point five gigabits on. which is what makes the Brian Bragging about four gigabytes down kind of funny yesterday. It does support millimeter wave those so. got that going for it. As, for the phones on workings iphone twelve powered by apple's a fourteen bionic, the first phone powered by the five nanometer processor technology packing eleven point eight billion transistors roughly forty percent more than eight thirteen. A six core CPU that's up to fifty percent faster than last year's phone and a four core GPU graphics that are up to fifty percent faster than last year's model. Machine learning also gets a boost iphone, twelve packs of sixteen coordinator and Gen that's up to eighty percent faster than iphone eleven capable of eleven, trillion operations per second. Company bragged on Games claiming console quality for the phone. To Demonstrate and executive from riot games showed off League of legends wild rift a mobile, only game due out later this year. Well phone twelve is not the phone photographers would choose. There's plenty of improvement and it's cameras. Apple says the phone has a twelve megapixel ultra wide camera and twelve megapixel wide camera. It said the sport, the fastest aperture yet it also features a seven element lens that apple says offers twenty-seven percent improvement in low light performance. Mag Save is an internal thing. Rather than a name for a connector is in days of old MAG. Safe today is a collection of magnets and charging elements that help line up the phone for proper charging. When it's not charging those magnets go to work holding on cases and wallets and third party stuff. Apple expects a thriving ecosystem of third party doodads take advantage of the newly introduced MAG. Safe. Ness. Mag Safety. Safe thing. Anyway. It's a thing built into iphone twelve. Every model in the line. Now's probably phone twelve many. Except for the size, you can take everything I've said so far about iphone twelve and play it back. iphone twelve many has the same specs as iphone twelve though in a slightly smaller size. The company says the mini is smaller and lighter than four point seven inch models like iphone eight but with a bigger five point four inch display. Apple says, this one is the smallest thinnest and lightest five G. phone. In the world. Talking about last night with Frederik, Van Johnson, and a few other folks on Chuck joiners Mac. Voices. We came to the conclusion that the pro phones for two groups, people who wanna spend as much money as they can afford. Or people who really care about the camera. There's nothing wrong with the camera functionality and the iphone twelve or iphone twelve many. Unless you count they're not being as high end as the camera on the high end. No I'm not a high end photo guy. So there was a lot set around iphone twelve pro, an iphone twelve pro Max that escapes me. The camera on iphone twelve pro boxes said by apple to have a sixty five millimeter focal length from fifty two millimeter focal length and last year's counterpart. It's got five times optical zoom range and the set to support an eighty seven percent improvement in low light versus last year's top of the pro line. I do know enough to be impressed by one thing. The pro line can shoot an apple pro raw. or it will be able to with a software update. Later, this year photographers will also be able to edit those images. Directly, in the photos APP. The pros can also handle. HD are video recording catching seven hundred million colors. Sixty Times, the number they could capture before. Apple, said they also sport the first smartphone camera that'll record in dolby vision hd are. And just like the apple pro raw functionality users will be able to edit the dobie vision HDR video in the photos APP. Finally the light are rumors were finely true the twelve pro and twelve pro Mac speech or a world facing light detection and ranging scanner. That let folks scan and modeled their surroundings. Apples Demos showed that put to use for placing objects in an augmented reality environment performing improved autofocus and low light and improving camera that perception in low light for night moat. Working our way out of these phones, Greg, Joswiak, apple's newly minted senior. VP Worldwide Marketing talked about a few of the pro lines features. It's got mad safe. It's got ceramic shield. It's got a Super Ratna FDR display. As for sizes iphone twelve pro gets bumped from five point eight inch display display size of six point one inches the pro Max meanwhile goes six point five inch display to a display size of six point seven. All of it is bound by the same squared off edges as iphone twelve, the with a couple of distinctions. I. The outer band is stainless steel on the pro line and second the colors are a bit more refined. Coming in silver graphite a gold that looks seriously golden. And the Pacific. Blue that doesn't do as much for me as the blue on the IPHONE twelve. Not that I'd turn it down. If cost is your primary concern. Here is what you're looking at across the whole line of iphones. iphone se. Start Three, hundred, ninety, nine dollars iphone ten are starts at four ninety, nine iphone eleven starts at five, ninety, nine iphone many starts at hundred ninety, nine dollars iphone twelve starts at seven ninety, nine, iphone twelve pro starts at nine, ninety nine. An iphone Pro Max starts at one, thousand, ninety, nine dollars. For the new phones though those prices are only Kinda SORTA true. Peace, from the Mac Observer says iphone twelve many an iphone twelve do start at six, ninety, nine and seven, ninety nine if you buy them as a t and T or verizon phones if you buy one is either a sprint or t mobile phone or as an unlocked phone. The starting prices are seven, twenty, nine, and eight, twenty nine. With no indication as to why. While it's great that ceramic shield means less of a chance of broken display. The chance is still there. If that bugs, you apple care pluses there for all of them. macrumors says, two years of coverage will run one, hundred, forty, nine dollars for iphone and twelve mini. Adding loss or theft protection will up that price to to nineteen buyers can get ongoing coverage for seven, ninety, nine per month or eleven dollars and forty nine cents with loss and theft added. As for the higher end phones, the pizzas, two years of Apple Care Plus will cost one, nine, thousand, nine or nine dollars ninety nine cents per month. Theft. And loss coverage bumps that price to two, hundred, sixty, nine dollars or thirteen dollars and forty nine cents per month. Ongoing. As for availability, apple is starting in the middle. And working out. Would owners can order iphone twelve and iphone twelve pro this Friday the sixteenth. October. They'll be delivered the following Friday the twenty third. If you're targeting either end of the range. iphone twelve, many an iphone twelve pro Max will go up for order on the sixth of November. Delivery should hit the following Friday the thirteenth of November. Barring incident which I have to say because. Friday the thirteenth. Coming up, we will talk about something that is not in the various iphone boxes. Some things that is, but I a word from simplisafe the right way to protect your home. One of the things that makes simply safe the right way. Is the control that it gives you. You choose the setup that's right for you and you install it yourself. For me placing the sensors and key pad. Couldn't have been simpler just peel and stick the centers exactly where you need them. No technician required. At the other end professional monitoring keeps watch day and night ready the sun police fire or medical help if there's an emergency. Of course homes come in all shapes and sizes the perfect system for me may not be the perfect system for you. Again, you take control picking from one of their ready made packages or building the package. That's right for you. With monitoring starting at fifteen bucks a month. All. That plus free shipping free returns. And even a sixty day money back guarantee. Head to simplisafe dot com slash Moco West Ken and get a free hd camera four Mac os Ken listeners. That's S. I m. p. l. i.. SIMPLISAFE DOT. com slash. Mac Os Ken to make sure they know you heard about it here? SIMPLY SAFE DOT com slash Monaco West can. And a big thanks to simply safe for sponsoring today's show. We'll wrap the day with what you don't get with the newly announced bones no ear pods and no charging adapter. A lot of people like the part in the presentation when they introduced iphone twelve many. They did a of James Bond thing opening a steel briefcase to reveal a smaller steel briefcase opening that one to reveal yet another smaller steel briefcase before finally revealing the relatively small phone. For me though the best part was when Lisa Jackson apples. Environment Policy and social initiatives said no air pods and no power adapter. I didn't like it because she was saying no. I liked it because she was saying it standing on the roof of Apple Park. By herself. I WanNa, do that. Anyway. She's spun the lack of accessories a green thing. First of all giving people stop, they may not need eliminates waste. According to Jackson and also let's apple reduce the size of the boxes used to ship the phones. Thing can get more of those boxes on a pallet meaning fewer pallets needed for shipping meaning viewership men's meaning a serious reduction in carbon emissions according to Jackson. Says the whole of the reduction cuts over two million metric tons of carbon emissions a year the equivalent of taking four hundred, fifty, thousand cars off the road annually. Of that makes you mad. There is still a cord for which you may have no use in the box. Each new phone will ship with a USB. Cable Great. If you've got a relatively recent MAC laptop. If you need one of the old peripherals though other no longer included getting one is not as expensive as it was last week. Apple insider says, apple has not ten dollars off the price of ear pods bring them from twenty nine to nineteen bucks. Additionally the says a new twenty-one, USB sea wall charger, which stands already replacement for the eighteen watt charger that came with the iphone eleven. Models receives the same price reduction to sell for nineteen bucks. Wanted to see the Whiz Bang for yourself the James Bond Mini intro Lisa Jackson up on the roof. The whole event is available to watch. Now, you can catch it on youtube you can catch on apple's events page, and of course, it is available as video podcast as well. Coming up in a few minutes. I forgot to call anybody to be on the show with me today. So it's just me. RUMINATING ON TUESDAYS EVENT I'll tell you about a thing that I've been doing to. Give it a listen in a few minutes wherever you get podcasts or on my youtube channel. Youtube Dot. com? Slash Ken Ray. Mac Os can. Brought to you by me. and. Sponsored by better help get ten percent off your first month at better health dot com slash Mac os can. 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197: Indoors

Robot or Not?

04:11 min | 3 months ago

197: Indoors

"Robot rela john lister jason. Who is not me. i'm host. Jason has a very interesting question about space. It's when is a space considered inside a house with windows and doors closes inside assume. I'm assuming if you open the windows and the doors it's still inside but what about uh screened in patio. What about a tent Is a tent inside if the sides are open like some of the like some tense are or if they are closed enclosed. And there's a door. How long can the door be open for inside becomes outside. I don't think that's how inside works is apple parks cafeteria outside when those massive sliding doors are open. Classic question for you about when you inside and when you outside. It's not win are you inside. What is what is yes. India and i feel like the apple. Parking is a good example. Because it's like it's it's a place where you can sit with tables and everything that is under the rooftop of arc but one of the walls is huge last thing that moves out of the way and the wall is so huge that is like that wall just totally gone like the store slide open and it's like fifty yards of just open space from all up to the roof all we onto the floor and left and right but i voided saying carefully there but you're sitting inside when that happens you're inside and then as big doors open and you're still inside inside is any place that can be closed from the outside even if it's not currently closed right if it can't be closed from the outside like it's a as a screened porch screens on it it's not inside An easy way to determine that is like you know like inside is a place that we that we can control snuff aspects of to make livable's right so if you stay out on that threes import with the screens. In the winter. you'll die of exposure really inside and you can try to build a fire on that porch but you'll probably still die of exposure like it's not you know again you could build a fire totally in the middle of an open field. And maybe survive with equal likelihood. Right inside is a place that we make for ourselves to be able to control the environment even if it has vast openings to the outside we have to be able to close them to control the environment in ways that make it more comfortable for us than literally being outside if it's no different than you being in an open field like oh i a build a fire to make myself on. Does that make it inside now because you do that in an open field to a cave is interesting. Because it's not a thing that we made. I feel like a cave can qualify inside if you can go in far enough and if the opening a small enough but i think we're mostly talking about manmade structures here especially with the apple park type thing so abhor cafeteria is inside no matter how big darn door is because dr adored does close so i want to talk about ten for a second just because there are oftentimes you have. People do expansions into a more economical way to building. Expansion is to put a tented structure outside somewhere and there are different kinds of tented structures right there. The kind that are like big like buildings in the sense that they've got a top but they've also got sides and they've got a door or whether you it's an actual door you can open or whether it's like a door you unzip and step in could be a family tend to could be a giant tent building and then those ones are the ones that there's a frame and there's like the canopy on top but it's all open now. Would you say that the first one of those is inside. If you're in it and the second one is not absolutely. I mean to give to give a extreme example that in antarctica. they have many contracts that are basically tents right and they're obviously enclosed and heated and people can survive in them without wearing parkas because they're inside we have made inside inside in temporary shelter made of whatever those big ten things are made of it. The point is there you know temporary construction not of building of walls and whatever. It's basically a big tent but they can make it livable. Inside that tent. It is definitely inside but those can be things that you you know you put over the catering a wedding. That's not inside not at all row.

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Upgrade 262: The Skyscrapers of Camera Bump City

Upgrade

1:41:13 hr | 1 year ago

Upgrade 262: The Skyscrapers of Camera Bump City

"This this is upgrade episode two hundred sixty two today's show is brought to you by Pinga mail route and Mu. My name is Mike Harley and I'm joined by Jason Snell L. Fresh from the Steve Jobs Theater and Apple Park Hi Jason Snow. I still have a cloud of Cupertino Pollen. I don't know dust something all around me. I I'm back from the lovely Apple Park campus and the Steve Jobs Theater and I'm here mega office. HQ You I've been digesting all the information possible. Yes you probably know way more than me. That's how it tends to be. We're going to do our best to break down the news of today day which was the two thousand nineteen iphone and more keynote but I wanNA start off of a Hashtag snow talk question I want. I I want to hijack smell talk again because I just have a very quick question. I WANNA ask you to get it out of the way overall. What were your thoughts in this event? Then the general consensus from people that attention to online is that it was a battle disappointing event and I want to know what you think I think first if we knew this was going to be iterative product cycle for apple so I think disappointing I don't know I think it was weird that it ended with twenty minutes to go and I really was expecting there to be kind of a one more thing at the end that they were they had saved something because we were so far ahead on time and I just thought has got to be something that's not in this. We're in the iphone already like there's gotta be something. It wasn't anything that was the end so that was that was weird. I was legitimately surprised by some of the things that happened in the event which I think is is rare and good and you know a lot of it wasn't a surprise though the bottom line is we know a lot of this stuff. The the main event enters the iphone and the iphone was in many ways the least interesting update to the IPHONE although I think they're interesting aspects to it as a product it's just it's yet another in the line of the phone ten essentially but so I for me I guess what I would say is I intrigued by the idea of getting apple arcade out of the way I but in that one of the things that I like the least about any apple event is interminable game demos and they thought it was interesting that they put them up front instead of in the iphone section and I thought well I don't like game demos and there are three of them here and it feels like filler and I find them boring. I understand why they do them and they get two reasons reasons to do them now because they want to show off Iowa gaming platform and show off their new service but they are like death. The second one is kind of like death breath. The third one is always just come on please and then in the midst of the iphone presentation. They did another game against us one. It was the most boring game yeah and that was the moment when my soul briefly left my body but I don't know it's an apple. It's an apple product event the they aren't the most explosive products six. I don't know if I would go so far as to say it was bad but it was I mean for your iphone event and Tim was like I'm going to dispense with my updates but then than they did a retail update at the end which is weird in terms of the sequencing but I understand why they did it because it has something to do with an Apple Watch series five but that was a little bit strange and so you Kinda end ended the shape of it was kind of weird so there's a lot of good stuff in it. I thought it was short surprisingly which made me feel like AAC when you think all got announced more than we expected but it still felt kind of light for probably some I'm good reasons so I don't know I was not their best event but in the end how full is not in the business of putting on a great show every September number for everybody to watch live and be excited about. They're in the business of selling lots of iphones so you know that's what it's for. I actually really enjoyed this event like you. I was surprised raised in a bunch of places. I thought it was well paced. I liked the variance of the people they had onstage pulled different nations. I thought it exceeded my expectations. What this event well being so that's that's probably true other than other than that? I was hoping that we would get that like a tire higher. The tile like tracker a one more thing and that would have been a fun new product and there was no fund new product right it was all just interational on exists kind of annoyed if if they would have burst out the one more thing line for a report like that yeah yeah I suppose so but I I would have liked to have seen something like that. I'll tell you though I think thing this is telling Mike when you say it was it was kind of surprising and that is a good thing I will go into our draft results here in a minute but I wasn't keeping score while I was watching other than other than being crestfallen that we weren't going to get a shot of a an apple store on slide which and and and at the end I was quite surprised to see how many things I had gotten right because look draft draft aside leaving that aside my my mental model my that virtual keynote I built in my head did not conform to this at all. No no also johnny. I was smiling but not standing up my rental cokie. Noting that didn't happen the the the thing that you were talking about. The Apple. Watch like your big idea for the portion was I mean couldn't have been more wrong but we'll get to that wrong land. I feel like I feel like one of the things that happens when we predict these things after a while we get tired of predicting things that our favorite it features of ours because we're like you know what I must just be whisked. Wish casting this thing and then you get down on yourself and you're like that's never gonNa Happen and guess what one of those things happened the time quite literally on the lost episode we have given up on that feature but we'll get to that as we should address the scoring of the draft left so on our previous episode in case you didn't catch it me and Jason we may call predictions for apple keynotes in the forms of drafts so who you know we see each makeup predictions who do as competition and only one of us can get a point for for a specific thing now. You beat me again again so you have one the year now unless apple does three more events. It's likely entity yeah congratulations to you. Thank you you you as is usual with me. I doubled down on specific area that I thought Apple. TV and not be possible is going to get more time than it did so in that kind and of destroy me because I lost three points on that basically so in essence. This is how I scored you. I scored eight five on nine six new range of iphone a phone callers. No three detach touch mentioned new APP. Watch materials iphone Ten has a second camera apple. TV plus clear launch timeframe new features coming later this year new Apple Watch faces shown an apple retail slide of a photo of newly-open flagship store you all of those points right for me. August spinal tap reference can come drill down on a couple of those now. Let me just say what I what I've struggled to updates true debt Fahd where now that we in the interactive scorecard that Zach put in he's put Cameron and technically the camera was changed but we won't talk about the camera right. We were talking about face. Id Senses no okay so so first off. That's not true I was picking the true depth system which includes the face includes all of that stuff time it's the sensor sensor bar and what they did was they made a wider angle selfie camera which totally counts this. This was the point I didn't score you one because I figured you'd say that and then went so I wanted to ask you though what new feature is coming quote later this year the sneak peak peak deep fusion photo thing. Oh was that a later this year. I missed that Oh okay I think a lot of people wouldn't have scored you that point but it is an Iowa's feature right. It wasn't an Iowa thirteen feature but that wasn't the pick you made so it was just something we'll be deferred and then and then you're GonNa give me the season hacking me the point that the newly opened flagship store that Apple Fifth Avenue is not a new store but but it was closed for a long time we'll be reopening it and it is and it's a photo story of all flagships. I I give you that one. I keep you all right and then the tiebreaker was there were ten total color options would have won the tie-breaker too. I don't think we tap reference though I wouldn't have gone for ten but anyway I gave Myself Wide Wide Angle Lens in the IPHONE APP La Que pricing and clear launch timeframe iphone ten replacement what the Daming iphone eleven from Pro low light mode photography iphone phone tennis keeps its LCD. I missed out on a demo of the Apple Watch APP store Disney plus being mentioned new apple TV plus content deals being announced and the Apple TV APP. Being mentioned of platforms didn't call myself a demo of apple cade. I don't think I got it but everybody else is telling me that. I think I think you got it. I had you down for that all right so let's say that the official school to the end is nine six to you congratulations. You did really goodness. They like I said I I had no expectation of that. When I left the room we never have well not when I left the room I will be honest because there's usually a really big backup at the at the the tables where everybody's demoing stuff and last year I got caught up in the backup and I had to wait for a little while and all that this time when it was all over in the lights were up the first thing I did? I loaded zaks interactive scorecard and scored myself and I could not believe could not believe that I did as well as I did because like I said my impression was this did not go at all as I expected once again I made some bets and something we thought would be a lock right the apple. TV plus will get a ton of time and what kind of didn't which is a surprise but all right so before we move on this September you can join relay. FM in support of Saint Jude's Children's Research Hospital during September Tamba in honor of Childhood Cancer Awareness Month walled wide more than ninety percent of children with cancer live in low and middle income countries many lacking access to adequate diagnosis noses and treatment causing many of them to die before reaching adulthood help Saint Jude continue to provide kids care to kids all over the world by donating today today go to Saint Jude Dot org slash pineapple once again that is saint jude dot org slash pineapple I want to extend my most heart felt thank queue to every real. FM Listener who has gotten us to sixty eight percent of our funding goal already we have raised over fifty one thousand dollars for Saint Jud which is an incredible number. We want to reach seventy five thousand dollars. At least we're about to spend about two hours now talking talking about products that begin six hundred ninety nine dollars and up into four figures if you're GONNA buy any of those products throw a little money money towards Saint Jude they do incredible thing their plays I ask you to do that saint you dot org slash pineapple and you can do that and we're also going GONNA be hoping I hope that we hit our goal of seventy five thousand dollars before September twentieth which is new Iphone Day me and Stephen Hackett going to be streaming live on twitch a six hour podcastone from four to ten. PM Eastern from Saint Jude's campus in Memphis Tennessee Jason a new day new iphone day of all things I will be involved in some way to being determined they will be videoing in and and an and who knows what will happen. I think that's the question we're all asking ourselves is what will happen. Warrior means Steven have a bunch of ideas and things we wanna do we needed due to wait for today to happen to know exactly what we can do because now it's an Iphone d- able that has opened us up to having phones to box on the stream so there's going to be a bunch entre stuff. We have a ton of really wild things the Saint Jude team who would welcome directly the fundraising arm have been really amazing and they have some destig- ideas and air indulging urging me in my insanity stupid and I am very excited so you can find a link in the show notes to a twitch event page where you can sign up to be informed about when the event is going live and also to find out when this event is happening in your local time zone so we really excited about that September twentieth. You can't forget get that day. If you're a fan of apple and now you have another reason I would say an even more important reason to paying attention on that day depending where you are. You can watch us while you're waiting for your iphone to come in. That's right we also a couple of weeks ago. We had a big live show to celebrate relief hems fifth anniversary played family feud. This event was actually actually video recorded and a video version of this podcast has now been posted to the relay. FM Youtube Channel there is a link in the show notes for that as well even if you have heard the real life family feud. I recommend going back to watch it so a lot of fun. Yes and who knows perhaps if we had any survey questions leftover from that advent we might find some use for them. Imagine if the whole four hundred there was a six hour block to fill even something as dumb as that might abused who knows who knows Jason. I wanted to talk about this event by I talking about what was missing and I have broken down on into two categories the Bloomberg category and the nine to five Mac category of rumors. I think a lot of US considered would definitely true but not true because of the way that they were being reported or how much are being reported or who they're being reported by so a couple of Bloomberg rumors that we spoken about in indepth and of course both Bloomberg Atlanta five goal lots of things right but there were things that they got wrong as well and I want to talk about them. There was no software feature for altering images after the fact that we have seen if apple has it demoted which seems weird and this is the idea of taking a photo and then being able to pan around and bring somebody else in or change the aspect ratio in some way from the Regula wide-angle land city ultra-wide right. You remember talking about that yeah that that's sort of true actually if you it's off by default but you can turn it on if you take a picture with the what they call the Wide Angle Lens and then you edited in the photos APP well to crop and and crop outside. It's actually using data from the ultra-wide so you can do that after a while. It gets discarded. If you don't edit it edit it at all that data we'll ride along with the rest of I think forever. Thank you very much information because that must have been something that I assume you found out in the hands on area it it is I got a a lot of information about that the camera app so let me tell you as somebody who writes a book about photos have that moment where I'm like I can't write any more about this because they're going to release new iphones and there's going to be new photo features and it's GonNa Bring everything that I've already written and that totally happened because that camera APP has all sorts of things in it that weren't in it before and and some little tweaks in the in the photos APP as well but that's one of the examples where by default I think it shoots the video at both wide and ultra wide so that you can crop it wider and you can turn on that feature for stills. It's it's Pretty Westley printing. I didn't the only thing I guess the thing that that is the indicator of it is that you do have the sometimes you see what's on the wide-angle the ultra-wide ultra-wide in out on the sides of the viewfinder but yes you could actually get you can actually use that stuff and it's it's composite on the fly so that you can pull whole indata from outside and crop outside the the photo area then I would like to apologize to Bloomberg for that but one that I will bring them on a mink she close in this is to no reverse wireless challenging yeah so the idea of being able to charge her episodes from the back of the phone now that this popped up on twitter yesterday or the day before and it sounds sounds like they're they're feeling is that this was a late removal that it didn't work to apple's satisfaction and I wonder if if there will be any tear down investigation to see if there's actually hardware that was intended to do that. Yeah I'm here but they weren't happy with it so they turned it off. Oh like a space weather that hardware would have been clearly. That's supposed to a coil it sounds like a late a late removal of that feature and this makes me bring the question of what is throng of apple and wireless charging like they can't get it right like what's going on harder than it seems or their standards in this their standards are higher. It's hard for apple of companies do it and then nine to five Mac. No Apple Watch sleep tracking a big report from them not yeah that's a prizes me that surprises me and also there is no tile like device so this idea of something you would drop in a bag and we'll be able to check trank frank however however there's probably another event coming down the road and so here's here's the thing that we know about these new iphones and may seem. You may think that's a weird feature. Why are they even talking about that? There's this new one ship which did not come up in the keynote right which is ultra wideband. which is this new? It's like better than Bluetooth. Ellie is basically what it is and it's got very specific location location finding within ten centimeters what four inches you can find an object directionally which goes with all those rumors about how fine my will be able to put like a little balloon right where you're lost object is and that's because ultra wideband among other things like possibly being the future of NFC of possibly being you know how cars ars future fob. you know a little job a car lock things work. Ultra wideband has a lot of interesting uses and part of the reason is that allows you to do this direction so like your car doesn't lock unless you are physically right outside the door because it can it can tell that you are in a particular location within four inches so this is in the new iphones and what they say is like Oh it means that you can do airdrop and you can see somebody who's who's closer to you or who you're pointing your phone at and they become like your default airdrop and and it's like this is great because the iphone eleven can find another iphone eleven and nothing else and I will tell you the secret is ultra. WIDEBAND is going to be in that tracker whenever they ship it and that's why it's in there. That's that's why at least the I think there are lots of uses coming up in the future for ultra wideband. I do think that it's got to attack with a lot of potential. The problem is it's kind of not for anything right now that they're gonNA use if Adra that's apple of announced of are on the on the product page a waste of yeah but it's going to be. It's also going to be you for that tracker. If it ever happens and I would say it's also presumably going to be fine my so that if you've got an iphone that's lost it will work similarly where you will people people will see it. I'm sure funds into efforts to yeah. I I think if this ultra wideband stuff really works as well as it sounds it. Does I think eventually it will go anywhere everywhere because imagine having that level of precision that any apple device that's within a few yards cards if not more fifty feet or something like that and you can get precise information about where that object is so I think the U One ship is the suggestion that there is probably an apple tracker coming but not today not to say what happened but these are the things that I think everybody decided what happening today and some of them didn't happen so that we go all right. Let's take a break and then we're going to talk about the iphone because we do things in our own order around here upgrade this episode. 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Not Somebody and these two questions aw is the iphone eleven truly the phone for most people and is the iphone eleven pro really pro enough. How Much Perot could it be like anymore so these are the two questions that I have to ask and we're going to keep those in mind as we go through some stuff here? I think we have to start with the name though they did it. Pro Max iphone eleven pro an iphone eleven promex get palm with Promo Day really really did it didn't they. They they did it and Sheila said is the device pros can count on to get their work done. I wrote that down myself. I don't know what that means since I do I do. It's all right. I think the pro name like I'm surprised that they spend as much it's time on it. That Schiller spend as much time on it as he did like he acknowledged onstage that this is the first iphone that they've had pro name on and what does it mean and what are pros. Does I think what they showed in their demos. Is that they at at least one pro example here is that you can give this to professional gophers and you can get this to directors and cinematographers and they can do their work on this device. Here's my question I have how like if you remove that what what the actual lenses give. How far could those same people have gone with the tennis Max well? I think the argument is that the tennis Max is this was a pro in everything but name the ten was a pro and everything but I think what what's really happening here is that you know we can and we can overanalyze. This pro is a word apple uses to say to to mean high end and what what the marketing marketing pivot that Schiller is doing on stage. There is saying essentially this is a phone so powerful with so many great features the pros can use it to do these amazing things and you can have it. That's that's the marketing move. That's happening. There is it's for for people who want to pay to get the very best to feel like you know you could shoot a movie on this. I'm not personally gonNA shoot a movie on this feature film but but you could because it's the best and that's really the appeal of pro in a lot of categories is its code for the best because the pros pros of course would buy the best. They're going to pay for the best we used to have this term that has fallen out of vogue which is fine called Pro Sumer but the idea of the Pro Sumer is literally it somebody who's a WHO's not a pro but once to use pro stuff Y- they want because they want the best and they're willing to pay more than they probably need to because they you want the best that's available and that's what's going on with. The pro name. Not only is it just coated in everything apple does that pro means high end but it's got this underlying meaning which is that the pros can use the stuff. It's like the best you can buy and you're not a pro but you can still buy it and feel good that you've got that awesome awesome camera to even if you never download filming pro and shoot you know in from a steady cam rig a feature film because as you're never going to do that but you could because it's pro hardware and I don't mean I'm not trying to like take shots here but there is also department at things like it is also maybe in a way kind of accepting that the only people that can really easily afford this device at least to buy outright officer tax expense and maybe it's again. It's it's there's a lot of stuff going on there as a business expense is that this is how you you prioritize your income. Is I want. I want to get the new hot iphone every year. Every other year. Whatever it is like whoever those buyers are who are coming for that but you know what I like about this is that it places one of the challenges in with the iphone ten is that it placed the spotlight on on the thousand dollar and up phone as the definitive iphone and the most work apple did in this event by far was re positioning the cheaper phone yes as the iphone yeah? That's what they're doing so so what what they do is. It's two things it's first off. This is the iphone eleven this is. This thing that they never said is the ten the ten are even though we know it's basically an updated ten are no this is the iphone eleven and it's six ninety nine which is fifty dollars down from what the ten our cost. I should've called the IPHONE ten yeah Fontane. They never should have got it should have had a different name and they would make things ways for themselves. It's been the IPHONE iphone phone pro even back then the axe in giving cameras the they tried to I think they were trying to differentiate in some way by giving it that Roman numeral but then by calling it ten they should just iphone x. right like and then just I think a lot of this stuff would have been easier for them. I think a lot of the anyway that this it's too much tea leaf reading that point what you've said there is made me think like is I've been thinking I think the eleven and the pro they are closer Sir than I would have thought they would be yeah. I was maybe expecting for them to I mean really the screen is the is remains the biggest difference between the two because a lot of the internals of the same yeah I mean the materials are a little different. The screen is different and the Third Camera which which is the telephoto not ultra Wa. What was the big that rise that was a big is there so but but anyway the the heavy in terms of overall marketing visiting this is the heavy lifting that they're doing is they want to say you know? The IPHONE is not a thousand dollar phone. The IPHONE is a seven hundred dollar phone and then it goes up from I'm there and there's a pro model where you're paying for I wrote it down for our customers who want the most sophisticated tack that really pushes the limits. That's how how they're positioning the eleven pro and and then within that they're they're talking about cameras at the center of all the positioning of it which I think is also interesting but this is their this is their thing. This is their message that they want out there. Is these colorful to camera powerful six six ninety nine phones are the iphone and then there's also the high end phone. Apple's website will tell you it's three hundred ninety nine dollars of trade in that's what it sell right now Um yes and in the retail segment there was a little bit of that like watch the prices go down as you trained enough own kind of animation stuff going on but yeah it's now. This is what they're trying to do is redefine what we thought of as far as the mainstream iphone which I think is a good move because like people are going to love that thousand dollar phone. I want to buy it but I think apple is better served by rewarding them by saying yes it is pro. It is very important you it's worth that thousand dollars Ambae and by saying Oh if you don't WanNa thousand dollar phone that's fine the real life yeah you donate it because yeah because like a lot of the internal same we'll get to that in a minute I wanted to about how these things look and how they feel feel because you have both touched and seen them we are in camera bumps city because not only as the bump bigger Abo- phones. There's multiple levels of bump now even camera bump city has skyscrapers Mike Hey here we go camera camera. Bump city is just off the highway from dangle town. Yeah it is it's so yes. It is two levels if you if you run your finger over that camp which don't do it because you've just smudged everything of your camera mm-hmm but they are. They are slightly up from the glass of the bump. They rise a little bit because I think there's like a lens that is in there that is not part of the the glass and that's why it's like that in the end does it does it matter. I think that what they're trying to do is just sort of Okay Yep. That's a bump but yes there. There's texture on the on the bump now in the bump is the big square and it's they decided I think this is an interesting example of problem solving thing on the part of Apple's industrial designers which is you know big sigh like you WanNa do what three cameras and flash and a sensor on the back really okay. How do we and they're like all right? How do we do this and they said you know what we do it by calling it out? We're not gonNA scatter a bunch of little bumps around the back. We're GONNA put a big square in in the corner and it's going to be part of the identity of these phones and that's what they've That's what they've done and you can like it or not like it but I think the truth is that when you've got all these kinds of cameras on the back could these phones the bumps are going to happen and this is how they chose to do it. It's an intra interestingly. The the big square that the first level of bump is is just gloss right like it's just a raised piece of gloss. It's not it's not like a different piece or anything like that. It's it's just like an extra piece of gloss that they've and it's not even an extra piece. It is the continuing of the of the glass glass coming off with the bump there yeah so the WPRO phones is my understanding. They have a different feel to the regular phone right because they PD co the gloss I wanna know what they feel like. How what is the difference in this texture so they're they're Matt and they have a Mat feel on the back because it's this? It's this coated glass so there they they have a texture. It's a you know. I don't even know how to describe it is you could you could say it's kind of kind of paper like or slightly tacky. I I'm not sure tacky. He is the word I would use but it is it is a rough texture and the colors are of our. It's a matte finish. the sides are still the same. I would say the same as the tennis the there the stainless steel side so if you're one thinking like oh well maybe this phone will. We'll be more able to be held in the hand without feeling slippery. I don't think so because the stainless ring around it is the same mm-hmm essentially as the tennis. It's it's really just the back that has got this other other thing and I think what you'll see with. Both of these models is part part of what apple is doing is learning the lesson we talked about last week. We've talked about it a bunch learning lesson honestly oddly of Apple Watch bands which is how do you refresh product. That doesn't actually refresh that often the answer is change the colors why not and so apple has is very much saying we're going to change the colors and the look even though the the base model is not that different from the tennis except that camera. It's it looks totally really different like because you've got the MAC and you've got a different color option and on the eleven you've got a completely different look with different colors and that is one way you get people to reconsider if they didn't buy or think about getting a new phone like just like people buying Apple Watch bands sport expensive than Apple Watch bands and probably won't do it as often but it's the same ideas like oh I sat. I didn't like the colors and then you see the eleven colors you know. Maybe you like those colors and then you come back Kim. You WanNa you WANNA change it up. I think that's all kind of part of the buying psychology that apple's sprang on here so let's talk about the colors the eleven comes in white and black green and yellow couple of product red product red white and black that probably much much the same I would expect as the ten but the green and the yellow they seem to be different shades as and purple. Yes is new yeah. I would say that they seem I wasn't green. I don't think there was green before a blue and orange before and they've been replaced and they've been replaced. I would say that I only have an orange ten are here our Orel Best Kala coral yeah we we both agree on the the these colors are more again. Keller is not my best best thing but I would say more more Pastel colors. They're they're lighter colors. They're not the super glaring bright colors of the ten are and again. I think that was a choice. I think they wanted to provide a little variety because they went really aggressive with the colors last time yeah but I think it's a shame the the colors of these funds don't excite me in the same way that the ten also colors did because I felt like they were making stronger state and the red the red is is is a is a bright red because it's a product red but but yeah the purple and the Green and the yellow are a more of a Easter egg color then yes these at east of phones yeah and then the light the coral which is just you know orange very orange in a way that these are not so again. I think they're just they're. They're just switching it up in fact so so Jamie. My daughter is going off to college in a week after the new iphones come out is her move into and we we gotta get our new iphone and I- I anticipated giving her an eleven and what I told her was look at the eleven colors and make a decision and then and then after the slide came up that said we're also going to keep selling the ten are I texted her again. I said they're also going to keep selling the ten are so if you like those colors better we attend our instead and we'll see what she says but I think that's interesting resting and actually provides I do think some people might choose a ten are over an eleven specifically because they like the color ten in the eight stand around in the lineup midnight green midnight green now. I feel like this is one of those things where a lot of people gun disagree with me but what what why of every color available to you apple. Did you choose this specific color. I don't get it. I mean you can tell me if I'm wrong. Can you tell me if I'm wrong. I don't like this. I don't like the color very much and and I don't I cannot get my head around Y of every color. This is the color of the apple of chosen to to add. I don't know I think they wanted dark colors blue navy blue I know I think I agree my I mean you're talking to a guy who's iphone ten asses. S. is in a midnight blue leather case right like I really liked that dark blue they must somebody want an argument here and they decided they weren't going to do more than four for ten iphone people ten iphone colors the somebody said this is this is something that we can consider pro- and we we can go with it and that it's still super subtle because clearly what they don't want is for the iphone pro models to be Garish I get I I understand that but I just think that they chose to just to me like a winner option. I will be sticking with goodall gold my good friend gold collar color. I don't know what that will mean but I really liked to go the iphone and clear cases which I'm so excited about yeah that came up on I think. ATP somebody made just Tessema side was like why don't they just they make these beautiful phones. They should offer clear cases for all of them. Let me tell you Jason. It was actually it was unconnected because I said it. Oh was it you oh I thought it was except maybe they said. ATP Too I think an ATP ATP the episode you can't listen to because it's already been spoiled by actual events I hadn't I heard episode at that point and I also said it both of you did and I think that that was good and literally that was what was said on stage. It's like you can get clear cases for all of them. It's like yeah good job apple. Yes out time hi because people want to see your phones. Yeah I've actually been asking for this for a while like when it I remember when there was the rumor and they were talking about click aces why Carnegie WanNa get Click case for my regular phone because I did beautiful gold iphone and I never get hip to never get to see it so I'm happy about that yeah Let's talk about the cameras because that is the the big thing that's the story that's always is and in some provisions. It's more than others and this. This is one of the more than others because it is an ass effectively year which is strange thing to think about but that's kind of where we are. It's another s year the it is it was we mentioned already big surprise that they went all in on ultra-wide and didn't put telephoto on the eleven I was I honestly hadn't even considered that they would put anything other than a Telephoto Lens on this yeah which must mean apple very confident and comfortable with the performance of software portrait photos that's point. I wonder I wonder too so I don't know because you do have two lenses which means you do have have payroll tax so I think in fact they said didn't they. They said that you can now do a portrait mode for other stuff on the eleven eleven and it's because they still have the relax even though you're taking it with the one camera you can use the other cameras data for true depth perception parallel things instead of using machine learning to find a face and say oh this is a person I'm going to blow the background they can actually used depth so you can take pictures of pets and objects and stuff like that so they get and that's interesting right so they they get the portrait mode feature without needing to do what they do on all these other they've done up to now which is used these zoom camera as your payroll tax instead. I can actually just use I can use the wide and what I said last week. You know when among among other things when I said like you you will never go wrong betting on more photo features on new iphones because they're important but what I said was the thing that makes me sad when I use the ten year is that I can't zoom in and I was thinking about that because you still can't on the eleven like zoom in no it's not there instead they wanna go wide and I wonder if there's some thought process there about how these they know how their phones are used and they may have realized that people you either they made a guest or they have data to suggest that what people really want to do is back off a photos and take wider shots not zoom in and that if you had to pick one you pick the wide angle and that gives you a bunch of extra stuff because they've got a bunch of features that use that ultra-wide camera which Phil Schiller called super wide at one point to me laughed because it's like Master of marketing and he got the phrase wrong one time but ultra-wide camera lens you get to do things he's like you know zooms in especially in the three camera system but even in the to camera system when you're doing video and you switch between those lenses it it has has a whole like zoom back effect and it's all like there's no like jerky switching to the other camera. It's like you just zoomed out which is well. We'll also do the smooth effect when going in like going using telephoto on the pro I think so. I think that I think that's all yes. Yes I did say Nice because I've always been a frustration trying to use those and it had like that zoom wheel in the camera APP Yep. It's all they're using software there to sort of smooth without all of those are all of those zoom movements so that's all that's all good and then there are also some features with her wide like on stills and I think this is turned off by default default but you know you can do that thing that I said earlier at the top of the show that was not wrong by Bloomberg which is you can use the ultra-wide data to expand your crop area on a regular photo using the white camera and that also is just kind of a magic feature. That's hidden in the background. We are finally getting an upgrade to selfie cameras going from a seven Megapixel Lens to twelve megapixel and brings four K. video and slow. Oh so you can do slow mo fees. Apple is going to do their best here to try and create something called. Don't even say that don't say don't say it. I'm going to do it. I will be the person take that bullet for. All of us slow fees. That's what they want. They're going to create. They're going to put a lot of money and time into this because they're going to try and make it a thing fine yeah. I think that the ADS that they've made was very funny. I enjoyed that a lot so that's the thing that they're doing but I am actually genuinely really happy to finally get a upgrade upgrade to the from camera I use the front facing camera law and over time become frustrated by it and also it so wide angle too right so you can you can zoom yeah. That's that's the big thing is that by default. If you're holding it in vertical it's cropped basically on the sides but if you turn it to horizontal then it expands and use in now you're using kind of wide mode. Can I change myself if I want. There's also a zoom button on it so if you're holding in portrait and you just have to zoom button zooms back out it's just it's zoomed into sort of classic width of Selfie by default but you you can just tap and now you're shooting wide selfie night mode yet today that they had to do it what two years since googled googled it. I have nothing to say about this yet. Of then the images they showed look good the purpose in the put on on this one and I will absolutely not give of apple by on their ability to just make this work like I want to wait and say right beside fair like I just feel like this is a difficult thing to do and and I wanna see the want to see the results myself. They seem to have put a lot of effort into like the they did. They said we're GONNA do this. We're going to do it right when you're in a dark environment. You actually get like an icon comes up. It actually will show you how long your exposure her is going to be which is really interesting so like you're you're in a dark environment and it says three seconds and so you know that's like hold the camera for three seconds. Excuse me three second exposure so it's giving you feedback right away. I was told that this goes beyond that which is really cool like if you put this on a tripod I pod like you're shooting in nature shot. It knows you're on a tripod because you're not jiggling with your hands and it will let you roll that shot out for long amounts of time together lots of light which is pretty cool so this is also a I don't know if you've ever did that but I I would sometimes take shots the shots where you put it on a camera tripod and you crank it up to thirty seconds or a minute to open the shutter and you you trigger the shutter and you walk away and it just opens and sits there drinking in the delight in the you can do that speech continue that okay and it knows because of its motion sensors and it soon a stable the environment it knows it stable and if it's not stable it doesn't offer that feature because you're a human and your shaky and if you can hold it together for three seconds and then obviously it's Ki- it's bracketing with a whole bunch of different photos that it's taking a before and after and it's doing a bunch of for for this night mode to presumably I believe that altogether and using machine learning and all those things that Google talks about I assume all of that is happening in this night mode too but it's apple it feels very much like somebody in the photo team and apples all right if we're going to do long exposures in the darkness. We're going to do this right so there's a lot of depth going on here. Which I think is interesting like I have a lot of hope now in what you're telling me but like I still know that there is especially for the quick shots like there's a lot of machine learning that has to go on and for sure to get that right and to get samples yeah but then you do it yourself and your and you say oh no this is terrible right like this? You can see the room but the person is L. smudged and yet face or whatever and you know they they are trying very hard. I actually really liked that when they were showing off the pro sample images which rolled credit by name itself which I thought was an interesting Hong after all that Brouhaha when they have on the Sean iphone campaign the current people by NASA reinforces the pro thing right like these are these are the pros we had the pro shoot the ISO and all that in the corner it's like okay. Yes get it but what I liked is the phil kind of said like and this is what you can get if you put it in the hands of professional and I actually Kinda liked that it was like look you. It is possible to do this but you're not going to get this right like it needs you can get close to it. You have a better chance than ever getting an image that looks like this but it takes someone knows what they're doing to really get it. Get Out of it. We cinematic stabilizations of better stabilization in video I'm all of this sounds amazing. I think for me personally I I am willing to upgrade my phone to get this camera stuff because it is a lot of really interesting stuff. The ultra-wide lenses something I've wanted on it for a while night motorcityhelpwanted for awhile a better selfie camera like for me like I will be happy with this phone upgrade for this but what I'm wondering wondering is can apple take back the crown as the camera phone or are they just going to get to parity now. That's the question and it takes less SOC- yeah yeah we'll have to see because it really is literally going to be what is the what are these look like when they're put in side by side. All the reviewers will be doing that right. They'll be taking giving the other great smartphone cameras and comparing them because again. It's one of those things where I will pay attention to. The people that I know that review these things that are in the apple world and they'll say like this is the best camera ever and I'll be like I'll be like for me personally brilliant. I'm happy with that but then I'll pay attention to the people that are in the android world as well and see see like okay so this is the best iphone but how does it stack up against ex wives that especially considering a pixel on the horizon and they're putting more lenses uh-huh. Isn't it so right so like I'm intrigued what can Google do so we'll see the question is is there anybody out there. Who Realistically is going to buy a smartphone phone based entirely on camera quality? I would say no but if there's somebody out there who see it. It's it's not the only thing I guess what I'm saying is apple doesn't really have to have the best night mode and the best photos but needs to have among the best because if Sitcom seen it seen as a laggard as well you can get an iphone but your photos aren't going to be good. That's bad so I feel lake. They are setting themselves up to not be seen as that and then the question is going to be. Are they going to go in the lead and then you know. Are they going to be caught but but are they gonna be in the conversation. I think that's all they really need to do. I'm sure they would like to win but I think all they really need to do is be in the conversation with some of the photo stuff that's rolled out over the last year year and a half they have been kinda put to shame and so this is this is major in them probably for the last year and a half making unreal if not longer making a real effort to invest in the stuff so that they could be back in that conversation as among the best cameras and there was this whole thing right too steep fusion thing we'll get. That's like something else. That's coming I don. I didn't really understand what they were showing me but for sure excited yes he did. He told me I couldn't take that picture before I mean I don't know what I think the I you know what I'm GonNa way for away from Matthew Pens Arenas to tell me because I'm sure he will be the person to get the story sure I will wait for for Panzer to tell me why this is good and then we'll find out later on face ideas thirty percent faster and usable at more angles two thumbs up great to hear that I haven't been able to find out yet jason if you can use multiple orientations yeah. I don't know my guess is not because you can't really you. Don't really unlock the phone in multiple orientations. Some I guess is not but I don't know more battery all around one hour extra for the eleven which already had the best battery of any four hours of the pro five hours for the PROMEX. Yeah wow how yeah this is. This is the single largest increase in battery life in the history of the iphone. Really I mean for for the iphone was always like a you know the the amount of time. Now you're making me question myself not like to go up four hours like apple's never been like yeah. This one's four hours more battery than the last one of of its kind like no no that's never because usually the the life of these things was measured in four hours or eight hours or ten hours or something like that so to take four or five hour jump in the same shape and size and what that says to me is processor right would that it says to me is the even though they had their usual twenty percent faster performance corers twenty percent faster efficiency cores twenty percent sent faster. Gpu in the thirteen bionic what it says to me is that efficiency low-power designed and talked about it briefly in a I thought was characterized very good on twitter by Penzo he did. He did a good job. characterized very okay well which is nobody cares about eight point five billion transistors. That's just apple dunking on their competition in chip design. They wanted to say seven enemy. They wanted to say eh because said so and consumers don't care but the people who watch chip design that was apple dunking on them because the truth is and they put it up there. I've written about it a bunch and some of my Tom's guide pieces about it like the whole wave of android phones that comes out after the iphone none of the measure up to the current iphones phones processor in fact we the last two years. It's been very clear like by the time the new iphone is about to come out there still no android phone that's faster than the iphone from last last year and then they do a new iphone and that puts the bar even higher an apple did the slides this year but it's absolutely true the last couple of years that apple's so far ahead on the power of their chips and hear what we're seeing is not only did they keep raising the bar in terms of speed but they seem to have focused a lot on doing the low power design Steph and so you may not care about the eight point five billion transistors and tailoring them on their seven nanometer processes et Cetera et Cetera. I think what you really care about is the pro. The iphone eleven pro is four hours more battery life than the tennis and they pro Max has five hours more battery life than the tennis Max that is what you care about and that's that's big and even that the eleven which was already the ten are like you said that and they they said on say the most battery life iphone ever and this one is an hour again more. I was as someone who's recently started using the battery case more more concerned because they never had the battery cases available immediately. I'm not concerned anymore. Five hours probably to me so I ask you a question about is like what makes a pro so the camera system right the three until they're being in the camera APP for the pros and one of those things but they also called the screen now the Super Retina Xia also there borrowing from the pro display right now and it's one choice one of the reasons that apple saying this is because of the fact that they have the kind of like adaptive brightness like stuff so the screen will go up to eight hundred nits for in harsh lights in the sunlight and twelve hundred. HDL content content so they can boost it when needed. I don't know how Knicks compares to my usage of the phone honestly but that sounds interesting. I think that it might be pushing it a little bit to call it the Xia but the doing that and it has a four hundred and fifty eight which is the highest in any apple the product so this things that make it pro I guess the eleven starts at six nine the pro nine nine nine and the pro Max ten nine nine and priebus Friday at a new time which is five. Am Pacific so I WANNA go back to my initial questions for you. I'll ask you the second back I in your mind is the iphone eleven pro pro enough. Yeah I mean well I would I would turn that around and say that's the wrong question and what really the question is is is it positioning it properly as a high end model and making the eleven the standard model and in that I say yes that's what that's what they set out to do and they they added some features on on the pro models including the led screen with the Pro Display X. D. R. O. lead whatever you know like their stuff there to explain why it's at the cutting edge and why it costs more and and the third camera and that's you know that they differentiate they continue to be differentiated in a way that makes you feel like this is the pro model but they also kind of got it clear of the idea that that's the real iphone and they're saying no this one down. Here is the real life on the Yvonne's above my questions related late and I am in agreement with you right. I think that the eleven the eleven really does feel like much more of the position of this is the phone that most people should by the ten was was because it was still a little bit like there was a question around this. Do I think it's like all right yeah but they released a different time and all that kind of stuff. I WANNA follow up with really quickly with something that happened in the chat room that it makes a good point that was not something I did not have my calipers with me at Apple Park so I wasn't able to measure the phones but the the iphone eleven pro is thicker by four tenths of a millimeter which means there's probably really more battery in there too and that's another reason that they were able to go up four or five hours on battery is that they are actually a little bit thicker. Do you know why it's thicker old. Do you have any sense that supplier that is interesting Jesse man. Obviously they wouldn't say that in the state unless I mean I assume that's not measuring the the bump house in measuring the bomb but who knows who knows I focus. Ns Max was point three inches thick and the pro is point three two inches yeah yup just a little bit but you know on the surface area that can matter a lot and that explains why the ten are sorry. The eleven doesn't have as much of a boost over the ten are even though it also got that power saving processor is because it didn't at least cut thicker yeah so we ended the iphone with the retail. They seem strange initially was happening. It's like like Oh because they can show you how cheat the phone can be if you trade in icy had had you draw Brian on my onstage on our draft list and we didn't pick it and then there it was and I was kind of kicking myself. I was like she did make it onstage and that was and you know they staff these events with apple retail people and that's that was a funny thing I saw her going through the hand area afterward and she stopping by every single one of those people in the bright colored shirts who were there from her group from retail and thanking them and saying hi I and remembering some of them from visiting their stores and stuff which I thought was actually pretty cool to see afterward but I think the real yeah the real reasons the retail update had to come at the end is one they used it to show off those trading prices in two they did a thing with the Apple Watch that's a little different and so they they had to wait for the products to be announced announced before they could talk about how they would be done in stores all right. 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That's Moo.com and the code print move for fifteen percent of any order order a fifty dollars or more a thanks to move for their support of this show and all every firm all right. Let's talk about services before we get onto the Apple Watch watch apple arcade and Apple TV plus so I think we can move thirties pretty quickly actually so apple arcade they brought out out three large publishers to talk about Games that they're working on Capcom Konami an interactive they had some interesting demos. They had a big slide at the end with loads loads of companies that I know in the video gaming industry really excited to see that one hundred games coming to the service at first I don't know if it's a hundred like immediately mmediately but like the one hundred and this is quote the largest launch catalogue of any game service which was this is presented by an my tie who she was at WDC she presented for apple cade as well as she's a good person to follow on twitter because she retreats Alot of the Games a lot of good into fall it is coming to the iphone on the nineteenth the ipad on the thirtieth and October. Oh for the mack. The reason is because that's when I was thirteen in each of those products that's when the next suffer updates hitting each of those products so the iphones the nineteenth nineteenth ipad. Os is the thirty September and in the MAC is in October. It is four nine thousand nine hundred a month a one month free trial I will stand by and what I said before that the pricing of apple cade feels like the best value for money on any apple service. Ll Apple News Apple Arcade to me is the best new service Annapolis introducing with the best chance of success because it is going to a position where they are strong and and it makes them stronger and in terms of evalu- for for people I think five dollars a month is a pretty good value for one hundred games and we'll see how how many are good good and we'll see how many they roll on somebody on twitter say I can. I can get I can get a a humble bundle for ten dollars and play a couple of games. It's like good Games. Aims really good Games but I mean the truth is are the game's going to be good. We'll see I think they got to have variety because different people have different opinions about what the Good Games are but five dollars a month and to get a whole bunch of exclusive games that do not nickel and dime you for gyms or coins or anything like that. I think like sign me up. Sign me up because that that is yes. I want that that is this is the solution to the problem of all the crappy games that are in the APP store. which is if somebody had come to you and said I gave you you five dollars a month? I if I took five dollars a month from you but in exchange I made it. The Games in the APP store were no longer crappy will yes. Yes let's do that. How does that work and the answer is? It's Apple Arcade so I'm looking forward to trying it. I hope a games are good because that is how it will ever die but I'm very positive about it and and the demos although game demos make me want to go to sleep they were they were good as demos go apple TV plus. We could see the trailer of see. What did you think of the trailer? I think what I said on twitter which is just what was passing through my mind at the time was boy. This is a high concept show like the highest of high concepts right the high concept. Is You know oh super easy big picture idea and it's in the future after an apocalypse no human being can see but then two children are born who can see and thus begins a battle a conflict between various warring factions over the possession of these children with this amazing power of site and I thought and there's an things blow up and Jason Momoa is there and you know it looked like a million bucks which is is good because we're more than twelve million an episode and my I T. TV critics lash watcher person said this premise is so far out and the way it's described as like show really gonNa be all to actors acting blind all the time because that could get really weird really fast and I think Tim Cook. We've consulted with blind nine people about this and it's not going to be offensive. It's like okay great. It's still we'll we'll see I think it's a I think it's a it's a it's a high concept. It's an interesting choice. My odds of them pulling it off. I would say are not im- not not increased based by seeing the trailer. It actually makes me a little more skeptical. The money is clearly there on screen but the premise itself is so kind of Wacky even more wacky than I thought that I'm yeah I'm skeptical I guess I would say I think I'm a little bit more positive than the. I thought look really cool. I'm excited about it. Looks Cool I just I'm not sure that the story possibilities are going to be a solid. The money is on the screen. It looks amazing. Mhm I mean if what they're going for. Is We wanna make something that looks a little bit like game of thrones. I guess they did that right like visually really right. It's like big and bold and this is running each other Yup Yeah Apple TV plus unveils on November. I I I found out some details. there will be more shows at it every month. After the initial slight which is the shows that they put on on screen most most shows will be launching with the first three episodes and then they'll be one episode a week after that some will launch the entire season but the way they're going to do most the desta is with three episodes one episode the week so it can do a little a little binge deceive you like it and then and then you can keep coming back for more yeah and I like that they said Ed available in over one hundred countries so however they roll it out and we've seen various reports about how they would roll that out the the goal is that unlike Disney which is gonNa do a slow roll out that apple they want this available over one hundred countries and That's that's good November. I you know I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping that they would be this was the great debate of by November and Mark Gherman. I think saying November and the answer is yes pretty much. Those two things agreed on the one day the ven diagram there is November first. That's what it is so I was hoping for sooner than that but we'll give November first fair enough enough. That's not none of this is the most interesting thing to be announced about apple. TV plus today four ninety nine a month. Yeah I mean Disney Disney kind of made that necessary and so they did it and and good. I think they had to do that. I think the moment in the keynote that I'm sitting there watching as they set four ninety nine a month and it says family subscription I thought that mean what other kinds of subscription could there be which leads us to the wacky thing that I did not expect partially because does we go back and forth about this what if apple gave certain things away with purchases of hardware because it's a way to roll your services revenue into hardware sales and it Blah Blah Blah Blah and they did it. They finally did it for this product of all the product so if you buy a device any apple device a phone an IPAD AMAC MAC MAC or apple TV you get a year of Apple TV plus for free. This is answered the question. I've been posing right for months does no way they can just charge for this around it because so many of their customers will not pay for it for a year now I will get. I will guess that that will be on the apple. Id That's associated associated with the purchase yeah. That'll get comp to that. Which is why there's this family thing? It's probably for a single user a single stream so it's probably got a a lot of limits that are GONNA make people who've got a bunch of different watchers in their household choose to pay for four ninety nine four it because did you get the family plan which is multiple streams etcetera etcetera but it does fulfill that need for all the vices which I get why it's all devices. I think that's I think that's that's good I had been thinking for a while that one of the possibilities was that apple. TV would come bundled with it that you get it with an apple TV purchase and that totally did happen but it turns out you can just buy anything and you'll get it. I did have that moment where I thought what if they make it like you get it for this device so it's like hey you bought new iphone. You can watch. TV shows on that iphone if you want it on any other device but they won't do that they'll tied to the apple. ID So from Apple's a website one shampoo family Sharon group offer is valid for three months after eligible device activation from the first in November plan automatically magically renews until canceled okay so so so the free plan is for the family group to one subscription profoundly. Let me sharing group that's. I don't know what that means us. What it says okay interesting well? I guess we'll find out more details about it probably means you. Can't you know keep buying devices and get more years of that. It's really just the one and then it auto renews and it'll be interesting to see if they turn that off if that's really just for this year's models and that next year that's no longer an offer and they want you to pay or maybe it's maybe it's a single time right. Maybe it's a single thing for an apple. Id so you can get it this year but then you don't get next year because you already got their one year bonus who knows I think this is one time this year. Only that's how it's GonNa work. We'll say let's talk about the Apple Watch because this was a shocker. We were thinking small revisions more vision always on retina display. Wow Hello guest this. This is the thing that was beaten. Out of US was like well. We can keep on talking about the always on display but it's never going to happen. WE'RE NOT GONNA even pick it. We're GONNA stop looking foolish inch by picking an always on display feature. That's never going to happen and here it is so tell me. How does it look? How does it work? uh well you saw it in screen. I don't have anything more beyond what you saw. They had the watches around but they're all. They're look like watches it. The way it works is that there's new it's almost this is going to sound weird but it's basically a promotion display on the watch in the sense that it has a variable frame rate and what they do when it's not active so if you if you think about when the Apple Watch currently lights up and then goes dark lights lights up mode is the same as it was goes dark is now this other mode and what they do is they cranked down the brightness of the display which sends his all ed says a lot of power and it's got a light sensor so it will crank it down even more when it's dark. If you're outside side they won't crack it down quite as much because you are supposed to be able to see it. That's the point of the always on display and they crank down the frame rate the refresh rate on the on the display to as low they said as one hurts so one update a second I I'd imagine I don't I don't know this one whether the second hands are gone in this mode or whether the second hands Mood uh-huh tick by the second instead of smoothly animate but it does mean that at one refresh a second they can still update ear complications and the APP website shows some demos of it working right and one of the what is Info graph modular. That's called the watch face on it. When it's in the dimmed version there is no secondhand on that watch face yeah so that's a reasonable symbol way to do? It and I always thought when we were complaining about this feature over the last three years Mike that was one of the things that I would always sacrifices like just make the secondhand disappear no need the the second hand I just wanted to display and you know what they didn't do is implement this as a really crappy non animated animated thing and then when you turn it blinks to life with this much more with different face. That's not what it is. It's the same it's your watch faced raced tweaked somehow. It's it can drop some stuff out like something. It's live and animating like a secondhand sweeping across but you you know I went so here's a funny thing. This is the one where I speculated. I don't know if they're going to do a series five. I mean they'll probably will because why not but what are they going to do like and again. Dan Part of that is is both of us saying I mean they're not going to give us anything. Big like always on watch face. So what are they going to do and the answer is that's exactly what they did. It took the Apple Watch for me for being like a footnote of this event to being legitimately. I think the biggest upgrade of any product in this event and makes me as a series four years ago. Oh really really want the always on watch face. I really do this is this is like the the cellular connectivity. This is one of those things that from moment one of the boys being announced five years ago we had on the list of well eventually has to do this and I didn't expect them to check it off this year after the last two years them not checking it off but they finally they finally did it and it turns out what they I felt they needed to do in order to do this was designed the screen that could be cranked down to one frame per second and do all this other stuff to maximize semis that battery life so that they could keep it running but I think it's huge. I think I think having they they elaborated on it very well thought. I don't know what you think about at this. I know your your relationship with the Apple. Watch is Kinda complicated but I thought that little bit where they explained all the reasons you might actually want always on watch face that up until now for the last five years we haven't needed but now we need it right because it's apple. That's what they do but I thought that was very good in them. 'cause I've thought about this too. How do you describe like why you would want always on on watch face and they said you know you're in a meeting and you don't WanNa make a big thing about shaking your wrist or you're working out and you can't you know wrote rotating around all of these reasons and why you don't WanNa be shaken your your your Apple Watch in order to wake it up and they're absolutely right that has always been the issue with the Apple Watch and this is my we had dinner with some friends not too long ago and and my wife made this point to she she you said it's like I wanna I wanna just have it on like for her? That was like always the feature that was missing from the Appalachian. It's it's true so now it's is not and you got to buy a new Apple Watch to get unfortunately but I'm glad that they did. It turns out that wasn't a compass in the apple. Watch is one of those things where it's like. Oh I know now you tell me I know that that wasn't one but I'm surprised by that. Literally put boy scouts in their in their video that made me laugh like of course who needs a compass boy scouts but being able to use that when when using the map will directions is really useful. I thought they spend too much time time on campus compass whatever compass titanium and ceramic have been added as expected. Did you see these both edition and I did not get a good look at either. I think it's interesting. Titanium is basically priced the same as the fancier stainless and not priced like the ceramic ceramic is is is an addition priced as such. It's like twelve hundred or fourteen hundred something like that but the the titanium is in that seven or eight hundred dollar range of of just a a pricey stainless model so which I was a little surprised by that's that's nice but I did not get to see those close up and there is an S. Five chip inside wasn't mentioned on stage but apparently is a power saving stuff and like to help make this always on display works inside but there isn't enough difference that they called it out and you can choose whatever case and strap you want so like the case being made our material and something called Apple Watch Studio Studio Yeah and this is why the retail stuff got pushed to the end is really this and I don't know the details of how to work in the stores but I'll tell you on on the website what it really means you can go an Apple Watch studio and rather than trying to sell you like this watch the comes with this band and this watch the comes with this band and you can also just say pick your watch body material and color banned by which is I think a much better way to sell the Apple Watch is to is to pick any band and watch and then get it and I imagine what this means practically in the store and may even mean practically for all online orders. I don't know if they're going to do any bundles but my feeling is what this means is. The Apple Watch is GONNA ship in a box without band and then you'll also get a band that's how Lawson shipped remember you would get that little package that you opened and it had the it was like two different from boxes and they will have some paper but that was just how the shift and I guess that was a test for this yeah and I like it. I don't know whether they'll let you buy an apple. Watch without any band. which if you've already got bands you could save a little bit of money but I think I think you need to buy it with a band? They do want that but they're what they seem to have. Done is broken oaken apart the idea that you're going to have a bundle and that that's good because sometimes you get you get this watching. You know like I guess just pick this cheap and I don't like because you've got another band that you you want and you may still have to do that but what's better is. If you're like oh I can just by the watch with the band I want and not by the watch the dumb band and by the band you want. That's dumb so they seem this more complexity in probably in Apple Watch distribution but a way better experience so I think think that's I think it's really Smart Watch. Os six is coming on September nineteenth FA series three and above later this fall for alter devices. I wonder if they'll start doing this for other products to who knows I mean I guess they already did it for the iphone and the IPAD right it's. IOS Thirteen is coming. on September nineteenth for the IPHONE IPAD maybe for next week about yeah on a is going along with apple software releases this year because they are all over the place but yeah that's that's when that's coming out and keeping the series has three round series four is gone serious three stick- sticking around yeah it's another decision they have made once before at least which is you know you kind of go to back to the one that it not only does that. Give you your differentiation but let's take that one and really aggressively price it and the the new the new prices really good so I think that's great all right. Let's take off on a break. We'll talk about ipod and then do some Hashtag upgrade questions to round out today's episode episode. 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It's it's the it's filling that same price and it's very similar to the old one the big change being it's got a slightly larger screen. It's physically more or less the size of the IPAD air now which means that it's got smart connector on it for the first time which means it can use the same keyboard that the IPAD air uses which is which one is that is that the is that old ten point five inch ipad pro keyboard as well so I believe if that there is a listing yes so it says it's a new product but it is smart keyboard for ipad Seth Generation and IPAD PAT ethridge generation but it is listed as new on the website but I don't think it is I think it's been updated to just change the name right right so the idea here is they they made a shape because they wanted to put more connector on it but there were no smart keyboards being made that fit so this one is the shape and size of the IPAD air more or less with with smart connector on the side so we can use the previous generations marquee board just like the IPAD air can it can use the pencil which previous ipad could also use that at first generation Apple Pencil so they just rolled the keyboard feature in there which I thought was interesting because then they talked about like comparing it to to pc laptops and stuff like that so even the three twenty twenty nine ipad now can do that whole story that we used to consider the IPAD pro a few years ago of smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil Yeah Yeah that's some questions about the IPAD line now but the good thing is it's good. This is good for the headline prime placement in the Best Keno and three twenty nine for that that three twenty nine model which they said on stages their bestselling ipad which I don't doubt for that price and it's and it's got you know it's got a good screen and it's Got Apple Apple Pencil Sport and it's going to keep it like I think there's a real questions like why the IPAD air exists because it's better for a little bit more but it's just so weird because it's there now the same size. I don't know whether that means they're going to reposition the IPAD air or whether it's just GonNa Vanish at some point but there's some weird things still going on with the IPAD line but but it's like this is their most important thing they last updated this product at that Chicago event last year right so I think this is to do the seventh generation version like it's great it is it's the most popular product for a reason and they read it going into the holidays as and they've got a keyboard story for it. That's great having that smart keyboard as an option is fantastic. The I mean the as a percentage of the price of the IPAD. That's Mark Keyboardist. It's expensive but it's a good that they've got that smart connector and they can tell that story if they want what else what else is there I mean ipad is coming late. We should mention that like oh yen. It's coming late. end the Mike's going to be thirteen point one yeah. He's coming at the end of the month. Yeah that's fine. That's funny that like if you're an IPAD user and you wanna get those updates the answer is you can just get the Beta and get it but if you want to wait for the final final you will have to wait later than I phone users and that's just towd has to be. I think that's a good move because yeah the Betas like yeah. Take your time good good. More Betas could keep taking your time. Apple Joe wants to know. Do you believe that apps snatch event thank you the lasers will be given the Mac pro is still you to come out later this year. The consumer ipod is now out of the way all the rumors of macbook pros and new ipad the pros Joe one hundred percent. That's what I think. The next event will be. I think that there will be an event in October. I think they may actually use it to launch Catalina in fact but it makes sense we got this rumor of the impending sixteen inch macbook pro they could do an ipad pro update that is minor but still like throw on eighth thirteen x processor to keep it up to speed with the latest chips it might be you like pretty much the same week that I've had ships could be. I mean they just said October. That's the ipad Oh asa shipping late September timber ships Monday September for all. We know they could be doing an event like in three or four last last year. That's that's awfully fast last year. They did a right right before Halloween and so but sometime in October I feel like that kind of makes sense throw in the Mac pro like they could ship it or they could give a ship date and final pricing and more details and there there is more than enough stuff that is rumored or seems logical that they would have in the pipeline for them to do that event so I would say I think that apple's next event will be appro focused thing peers. Here's here's the problem you could argue that the ipad today is a weird placement because if they have other IPADS. Why would they not have been together? The argument would be this is the mainstream consumer product launch in that product is ready to go and why not give it a give it a kick and then the other thing I would say is just question was apple's next event and I think that Apple's next event. Maybe it happens in October. Maybe doesn't maybe happens. In March. uh-huh in February doesn't necessarily happen have to happen in October however if I guess today I would guess that there will be a pro hardware event and it will be in knock Tober and it will be new MAC laptop more MAC pro details ipad pro updates and probably CATILINA. Maybe a display and display yes. There's that display with a thousand dollar stand different one. That doesn't have a baby stand. Maybe who knows that maybe a thousand dollars on its own display. Don't worry about stand Chris. It says I'm disappointed that the portfolio Atlanta was hoping to buy cheap one is the Apple Watch three worth it. The seemed like such a jump forward so so I will say if you wanted to buy a cheap series four they will exist in places like you check best buys and stuff like that right like some places are going to beat discount in that but yeah maybe so I would say they'll also be people who want to get a series five who will sell their series for There may be some referred series four four on Apple's website so you have some options to get it. I think it depends on your commitment to the Apple. Watch like the bigger screen on the four is a lot better than the three threes and Nice Nice Watch but the four is a pretty big jump forward so if you're serious about Apple Watch I would do bargain hunting for a four were rather than go back to the three if you really are just taken a flyer on. It and you don't think you're going to be using it heavily but you wanna see what it's all about and maybe use it for fitness stuff then the three is a it's a great deal because it's cheap but if you have any kind of interest in getting that four I would do some some bargain shopping capping and see if you can find a used or discounted for d think comes from Daniel Apple. TV plus pricing and the bundle with purchase of new products Title IX is a fair deal and does that make it now a true challenge at the Disney plus other streaming services. They are not a challenger now. No no be content launches take it have incredible. TV shows but the catalog is way too small wasted small. It's not not what not the game. They're playing the game. They're playing. I think I think the bundle with purchase of a new product is brilliant because it's going to get this service in the in the face of apple users as Puffy for like is a free year of content great and then I can make my mind up afterwards but I don't have to give apple money like specifically to to try it so you do you do but right right but not for that accounting accounting wise and this is going to be interesting accounting wise I imagine they're going to account some prorated portion of those device sales as services revenue because of the value of Apple. TV plus being bundled in with the sale of the hardware could not be a risk though for the amount of people that might not Renault yeah but it services revenue right. I think legally they probably have to do that because legally we they. They are including that service as part of the value of the device so I think they actually have to do they already do that with some other stuff where they actually consider it services now and it's a portion of the value of the of the hardware so I think they'll do some more of that but I I think there's a question of what is the renewal can you keep buying apple hardware and getting apple. TV plus forever or is is this GonNa be something that really only happens to your one but the whole first one's free idea applies here which is they're getting this thing up and running. They want as many eyeballs in front of it as possible. They're going to get that and that might mean forgoing some incremental revenue now. It's fine like Disney Disney's forgoing a lot of revenue the new aggressively pricing Disney plus the point is you want to get it up and running and have people in your system as subscribers and then you're looking at their lifetime amount of money they're spending on your service right like when you get him in you get them loyal and they stay with you for ten years fifteen eighteen years at that price and that's what they want so I think that that this is an interesting way of doing it rather than bundling it with their other services to just say try. Your one tried out by new iphone. You're going to get it anyway so just watch it didn't and then a year or two from now. We'll come to you and say you need to pay us to keep watching your favorite shows. Joe Asks is Mike Coming back to the apple. Watch now so I have set for a long time one of the main reasons. I don't WanNa wear enough. Watch is because as I don't WANNA have to lift my wrist to look at the time still very true. I'm very tempted. I was very tempted by the series forks. I think it looks great. I'm very tempted by hi the new cases I've really WanNa see what titanium and ceramic look like what I wear an watch every day. No may I consider one on again. Maybe on the ordering anything now. I want to go and look at them but I wanNA see how these new case finishing look I really liked. I loved the white ceramic ceramic when they first did it. I love it again. I wished that the crown wasn't black. I don't know why they've done that. It's black of a red ring. That should be the old white in my mind. I would have liked to see that I thought the image I saw was white ceramic with a white crown. All of the imagery that I have seen shows a black crown crown so I would love to see something if you've seen it but everything on apple's website shows a black crown. I think the slide on mm-hmm presentation was with a white crown okay so the crown is white but the suckle imb inside of the red ring is black that makes sense. It's yeah yeah so everything I'm looking at their website now and it's it's black icon so but I wanna look in pus and maybe it wouldn't look so bad because there's still a black ring around around the screen. So who knows maybe it will match up. I am also intrigued by the the uncolorful detainee. I'm just like the regular titanium vehicle I want to go and look at them because visually they are more appealing to me. Maybe I'll maybe I'll add a into my watch rotation again. Who knows but I know putting any bets? It's on yet fazon asks. What is your opinion on? Titanium ceramic versus stainless steel was a watch material. I'm having a tough time deciding which one won't be ideal for my needs. all I know is whatever Marco say which is that both titanium and ceramic stronger than stainless steel ceramic Ken Chadha but I don't know if a what apple will do about that. Do you know anything more than that. No I just listen to Marco about about this stuff too. I don't have any I don't have any opinion I think also the wisdom of Marco about watches which is if you give a chance to see them in person at your apple store you should do that. You should one hundred percent. Go and try them on especially if they're trying to trying to side I mean you are worried about a watch material than I think at that point you you you are upgraded to the level where you need to go and see it in person. If you are somebody who's like. Oh I don't care I just want. I just want an apple. Watch what you know. Get the aluminum one then because because it's the cheapest one and you don't care but if you do care you should probably care enough to go look at them in person if at all possible and I know that means you know inconvenience chance of finding an apple store to go see these things but that is the best best option. I know there are white differences too but I don't know what the white differences fences are exactly but I know that there are white differences between those materials and that will make an effect when it's on your wrist. Even if it's only small you will not and Chris asks final question. Today is the iphone eleven and upgrade from the ten S in our opinion because Chris is considering upgrading reducing using the monthly upgrade program payment. What do you think about that is the iphone eleven an upgrade from the iphone tennis what we didn't even mention it but like one thing is that three touches gone touch is GonNa have to talk show which I got a point I think I got a point four because they they mention how touch and and they just like? Hey it's great. It's going to have to touch and I thought OK that answers that question so you're GONNA lose that regardless guardless of what you do. I'd say if you're on the tend to be a problem if which is what we believe that they just replace like you can still do the same thing progressive field in Iowa thirteen which is for as much as we know is the case because the I can do everything right so I guess what I would say is. Do you like larger phone and and and what a save money because in that case yeah I mean you're going to get an upgraded processor. You're going to get to two cameras whereas if you use the zoom feature the telephoto feature a lot you're going to be sad because it doesn't have that Lens. It's got the ultra-wide lands so but if if if it's literally an upgrade that will save you money and you don't mind losing the three touch and having a larger does your phone you know I think the I think ten our and so presumably of eleven is a pretty great phone so you can do it i. I don't know I mean if you gotTa Ten S. I think most people with ten should just wait because they've got a one year old phone. You don't need to replace a one year old phone all right that wraps up for this week's episode of upgrade. 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Upgrade 221: Dongleton-on-Sea

"Relay FM. This is upgrade episode. Two hundred twenty one today show is brought to you by simple contacts. Luna display PDF pen, and hollow. My name is Mike early. I am joined by Jason snow. Hi, Jason snow from my garage. This is me. Jason it cyber Monday today. So everyone's going to get twenty five percent more upgrade because we can say low low price of regular upgrade because we're going to be doing my neighbour Totoro at the end of today's episode as we welcome back. Mike at the movies. Yes, I'm looking forward to that. So it's like one of the plastic bottles that gets a little bit larger, and they put on this is that says twenty five percent more than other bottles that are smaller than this one. I kind of thing that's what we have today. But we do have a hashtag snow toll question. And this one comes from Jared. Jared wants to know Jason what is your opinion on Christmas music when should it start to be played? And do you have some favorites? I appreciate this question the opinion that Christmas music. So I believe as as an American I think one of the great things about thanksgiving, which we just had on Thursday, and my kids were out of school all last week. And it was a pretty light week. It was nice and back to work today. I love thanksgiving not only because I think it's actually very nice holiday and the idea that it is about reflection and thinking about what you're thankful for and it's an opportunity for families to get together. And. Ever base? It's also for everybody in America. It's not based on any particular like a religious background or anything like that is for everybody. So I like that it also is a really good backstop. I mean, it's leaky. It's leaky these days, I'm not gonna lie. But I feel like when I was flying back from a couple years ago. I was in the Dublin airport, and it was like our toper twenty seventh or something. And there was Christmas stuff everywhere. And I thought oh my God. Why is all this Christmas stuff out? And I said, oh, you know, they don't have a thanksgiving to act as like a wall. Nope. Because I am a believer in the like, I have some great holiday playlists that. I really like. But I don't listen to them until after thanksgiving. So I so like now that it's after thanksgiving, which is always the what is it the fourth Thursday in November. Now. Now, we can break. Now, we're talking about when we're going to get a Christmas tree get out the get out all the decorations and stuff like that. So we're we're getting there we're getting there. So that's my my official policy. Thanks for asking about when Christmas things start to happen at least here in in England. They just break out the Christmas stuff like November first. Over tenth he talking in retail retail. It's like it was happening before Halloween in places like just like the Dublin airport. It was. Yeah. It was getting pretty serious which is frustrating. I think I mean, I would prefer to wait until like we're about a month away that kind of feels like the way to do it for me. But you know, retail's gonna retail Jason retail is gonna retail. What can you do? I don't blame them. Right. They make a lot of money at it. Send us what they're gonna do. You have a favorite. I will. I will give everybody a link that we can put in the show notes to a piece that I have written a couple of times once at MacWorld, but more recently at six colors with this kind of geeky holiday music that I play list that I built. In terms of traditional. I I really like the Christmas song. Just nuts. Roasting on an open fire king Cole. I like that one a lot Otani bomb is fun 'specially. There's a they might be giants version that's in that's in the regional German, which is fun. And yeah, that's in terms of of what I say kind of old school. I would go with a Christmas on which isn't that old school? But that's the one that I I think I think is the favorite. If you would like to send in a question to open an episode to send a tweet with the hash tag Snell, talk, and it may be picked for future use. Thank you Jared for that. Great question. Upgrade your wardrobe dot com is way you can go right now to buy upgrade much. We have much available just until December the fourth. I wanna thank everybody. We both would like to thank everybody who has bought one of a wonderful dungle town teasha, so far they seem to have been received very warmly. So I recommend that people go and get those. We have Dongo town teas and blue and orange. We have very limited stock left of the upgrade logo enamel pin. And then you can also buy hoodie or regular upgrade logo teasha if you'd like to you can also follow at on the school upgrade FM on Twitter because we've been giving away some free codes, which we're gonna keep doing over the next week. So he might be able to nag yourself free teasha, but we would love it. 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Good friend of the show onto David Smith to two things one confirmed that it was on one hundred and fourteen was the first time that dungle town was mentioned upgrade. But also, what's more for a reason? I don't know why he did it. But I loved it. He did David has compiled a super Kat of every single time mean you have set the wood dungle with the I two hundred twenty episodes of grade. It is a five minute audio file that you can go and get which Lincoln the show notes. So you can listen to it includes a little bit of context every time that we say it. But if you just wanna him the Jason same Dunkel's Dungl's Dole's over and over again, you can go in and check out the all the great dangles. Link if you want that and thank you to underscore doing that. So that's I also wanted to mention we got a great piece of Donald fan on from in on. It said the UK tourism Posta dungle on see the beautiful seaside town, which I love so much. It is the British seaside town of let's say, and it's it is is the tourism Posta. So I've really love this law. Actually, don't go to see as much a much nicer thought for me than just don't go. Tin. Good. Very frequent thing in seaside towns. Something on C. Well, right. So it's Donald on C is hold my gosh. I didn't get that. Oh, yeah. That's listener in. Yeah. Perhaps that should be on on US PC. So that's where it is. So if you're if summering in England, go to Duncan on see what a beautiful place. Baynes the price of mission is a little high. But yeah, well, all the hotels have these strange. Strange power plug. So you have to bring in Dr. Funnily enough, you even have to bring your own data's when you visit Dong. All right. So do you remember on that lost episode? We were talking about the tragic wildfires and the the terrible in California in the towel will equity and you Jason posted the question of I want to apple pox doing considering they have the natural ventilation system. Right. Where things in ethical the place down said of conditioning while we had an anonymous listener right in to tell us exactly what is happening. So apparently, this this is what the post and told us the smoke has been rough. But apple park is able to shut down the natural ventilation system for Justice type of situation. This also came in handy in the early days of the building being put together when we moved in. Because the landscaping the outside smell of manure withdrew the up. This doesn't mean all of the air inside is clean, though. The various entryways feel identical to the outside. Many people have been where mosques, but the cafeteria is the cleanest, Ed by fall interesting. So I think this is fascinating. So it's. Not as bad as maybe it could have been. But they probably also waited to shut it down in the air quality. Inside was always not great, and the entryways that are probably pretty spacious and are letting a lot of the polluted air, and I wonder if they are thinking about a air filtration strategy or something to clean up the air inside if if it's thirty, but this is interesting to hear I appreciate are anonymous listener saying that apple park does have some sort of strategies for this. And the good news is that a storm front came in on Wednesday in the bay area and the air is clear now. Oh that is good news. That is good news. And what is the Phya situation? Fires are the those fires are out. They got they got during containment. And we also had a lot of rain which helped allot though. Thank you for the rain. I guess right. That's a good thing to have in a situation. Like, the upgrade is we still we still getting lots and lots and lots of votes we have set. Get a closing date. Upgrade is nominated. You have until December twenty fourth to get your votes in for the fifth annual upgrades. So if you wanna get your votes in this is an unprecedented opportunity to get your votes in over a long period of time because behind the scenes, we sometimes record the upgrades early. But we're going to we are going to record it early. But it's not going to be too early. So we have we have it's good. It's good. We have until the end of the year for us to consider our favorites of the year. And for you to give your suggestions, which I like a lot. Yep. So this by the way, just like we say this now right to this episode will be the upgrade is episode is going to be the episode that goes out on December thirty first. So it's going to be the lost episode of the year. That's when it's going to go up. So you'll be able to check it out then, but you've got you've got ample. Time to get you'll votes cost if you would like to do so you don't have to have a vote every category. If you only have one submit votes for some that's publicly valid to do, by the way, so nothing. No, no categories are actually required categories. So feel free to submit what you would like, and they will be calculated and we'll go towards where the upgrades are going to be awarded in the fifth annual upgrades, which is very exciting. And again, this is a as we've said, I think we said last week. This is an exciting way. The Mondays fall in December where on the on on that same day Christmas Eve, we will have the upgrade holiday special. What will be special about it? Wait and see I can't wait to find out and on the thirty first then on New Year's Eve the upgrades. So lots of great things coming your way in December feed from the upgrade program indeed including next week's episode, which because of either leave you are going to be on assignment next week. Yes. Yes, we like to say you will be on assignment. I don't even know what that assignment is. But we've assigned you to do something that is not being on the podcast, and therefore we will have a special guest hosting week. I don't want to tell you who it is. But I will remind you unrelated that nothing is perfect. At can't be complained about one. The who that could be. I don't know. Nobody knows you have to find out and check out grade next week. I was saying Jason before the show. I always enjoy listening to upgrade. So don't mind it when I have the time. I always enjoy making upgrade knowing that Mike is going to hear it and be like, what are they doing? Show. I have one piece of upstream useful. You this report from the inflammation via nine to five MAC. The apple is apparently considering for as much as that can can truly mean, a cheap aversion almost in dungle style. The apple TV like comb cost or the Phya TV stick. So like a little hasty my Dongo that you plug into the back of your television. So you'll be able to access and Petit content. So you would naturally expect the differences between this if ever comes out and the apple TV that we have now is in power and storage. So this would probably only be streaming stuff. And it wouldn't have games and apps for as useful as they are in the apple TV, and maybe some might be some restrictions, and we would assume that they would do this. So they're able to get the new content into his many homes as possible. That's why they would do if they would ever do. Yeah. I wonder about this. And how they would do would they part of me wants to say that apple would not do something a product like this and make it super compromised because that doesn't feel like apple at the same time. This reports weird because it's considering it's like not even that they're working on it. They're just like somebody is thinking should we do it? I do think that there would be a an a more affordable entry into apple TV would probably be good for apple to have. But apple hasn't done that yet. I've seen people speculate that it wouldn't do four. K I kind of have a hard time believing brand new product in two thousand nineteen wouldn't do for cage. The are like I think they gotta do that. But this idea that maybe it wouldn't be as fast processor. Therefore, it might not be as good for games, or they might even you know. I don't think it sounds like apple, but it is possible that they could make a strip down thing that didn't run the whole at platform. But only parts could see parts of the app store like for video playback or even basically just ran the TV app. I doubt they would do that. Because they want to let the third party providers provide their own apps, you wanna be able to run that flexing all that. But you know, they could bar everything. It seeing anything that was not in the video section of the app store, or I think more likely they would just you know, it'll be stripped down and it won't have much storage, and it will be, but it'll still be an apple TV. I I don't know. I mean, I would love for them to do this. Because I think the entry price apple TV is still too high given their competition and given their motivation to get people into the Rico system, and I talked to somebody a friend of mine this weekend who. Who wanted to buy a couple of these seasons that are on sale on itunes TV seasons? And but he didn't have an apple TV. And he's like, I don't wanna watch this on my ipad. And I thought oh, yeah. You know, that's one of those things that, you know, by not having the ability to get the stuff and whatever Apple's going to do on the streaming stuff onto your TV set. Even if you're in Apple's ecosystem a little bit that kind of stinks. So I think there's something to be said for apple to make that more acceptable. Whether it's a cheaper baseball, apple TV, or it's one of these stick things, that's a smaller and cheaper. And maybe less functional. I think they do have to do something. I just don't know what it is. Like, I don't know what the. The ons would be right. The the regular apple TV's you can buy a non four K apple TV for one hundred forty nine dollars. And if you wanna get your content into people's homes, I'm not sure that's the best way to do that. Right. It doesn't feel like offering a one hundred and fifty dollar entry point before you even stop paying every month when like Amazon day off the fire TV stick for twenty five dollars. Right. Like four K version is thirty five. So. Yeah. So like, you know, it's like. Obviously Amazon have options this cheap because they won't people see that content. Right. And then when you look at something which is like full to five times more expensive before you start charging them. I don't know if that's the right way to get people to watch the content that you're investing billions of dollars into making. But all depends on what Apple's Altemus strategy is. But I would naturally think that if you'll making television series, you want people to see it, and as many people as possible. So maybe it's the right thing to do to try and have an option, which he's cheaper. And I've really don't think wash on your iphone is the also right, right? This is the the challenge is what they wanna do is get people who have iphones or or I pads or both. To get them to start thinking about as a source for their TV set as well. And you know, again having that interaction with my friend over the weekend. I had that moment where I thought. Oh, yeah. This is a huge untapped market for apple where these he's not even considered getting an apple TV. And that's the solution to his issue of while. I wanna buy the seasons. But I don't wanna watch them on my ipad. I wanna watch them on TV, but he's not gonna buy apple TV this current pricing. So what can apple to how much money have you saved on buying the office five dollars when you need to buy one hundred fifty to play them. Right. So they're already in the ecosystem, but they're not in the TV part of the eco system the TV set part. And and that's important. Apple airplay is how you get things on there. And you need Napa TV for that too. So like, I think it's an interesting place. The apple TV isn't as a product, right? Because part part of me wants to say this product is not. Gonna make break your company. Right. It's totally not it is a minor product. This product exist to be a complement to your ecosystem. So maybe you need to start being super aggressive about it as a piece of hardware because you want people in your services ecosystem, and you wanna sell these into every home that's got iphones in it. Because it makes the iphones that much more capable because you can throw the iphone content up onto the TV. So like, you know, I it is it is just one of those things that I think apple needs to change how they're thinking about it. And maybe they will maybe maybe the the Steve Jobs line, right? That they have the TV was a hobby that makes sense still makes sense up until the point that TVs of is launches it's not a hobby anymore. Like everything apple is done in for Apple's continue to release even apple TV full K that we have today. You can look at it. And be like, this is the thing they do on the side. Right. Like, it's just his little thing. It's a different way to get this content, and double blah, right? Like, oh, it looks like maybe a fun project. They like to walk on. But then. When you start dropping billions of dollars and signing like A-List is to create TV shows for you. It's not a hobby anymore. You see as ten of business. And if that's the case you need to tie up the actual the home television strategy a little bit better than you've got. Because right now, that's not the case. Right. Like, it's fine with how it is. But you need something more and the iphone and ipad. That is not an so, right. Like, I don't wanna watch every show at home on my ipad. I watched them on my ipod Loma plane, right or awash, maybe them when I'm in bed like at night. But if India are watching a new big TV series that we love watching it on the TV on sofa comfortably. Right. We've ought to home pods playing the south for us. Like, that's what I wanna do. Don't wanna which Pat. So was I haven't apple TV? And I like my TV I don't think that's the right on every. Everyone. So we'll see what they're gonna do if anything. All right today show is brought to you in pop by. Hello Hulo make insanely comfortable buckwheat pillows. If you've never tried a buck. We pillow before it's different these different pillows your regular fluffy pillow. This pillow is maximum support your head and neck won't be like collapsing on the like into the pillow. You'll going to be nice and supported is very very different type of pillow. But as somebody who has been using for six months, I can't imagine ever going back. 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There's a million tweets in the naked city. This is one of the leader. Mike are on Twitter. Replied to a tweet that I set out for my review, my six colors review of the ipad. And he said, I think this is really funny. Can we get David Letterman top ten IOS thirteen ipad features you'd like to see list top ten list, David Letterman for those who do not know longtime talk show host in the United States retired. Now has Netflix show? I don't know. I haven't heard anything about that. But right now, but he show realized so one of my favorites all-time, very formative for me been watching it. I watched it when I was a kid I through high school and stuff and college so. And one of his bits a top ten list. Where would be like a comedy top ten list? So you have a premise top ten things. We'd like to see from you know, whatever. Right. And then there would be ten ten count down to one. It'd be drum rolls. And it was jokes because it's just it's comedy their jokes. And the last one would often be completely absurd. That was not the funniest one wasn't number one that was usually the most absurd one. And anyway, so listener slash reader. Mike are wanted to know top ten I features. I'd like to see I very quickly responded to him on Twitter with a top ten list, and that got a lot of commentary, and I thought well, I should just write an article like, and it was the easiest article I read that for mackerel for my McCollum last week, the easiest article I have ever written because I already had done the thinking about the list. So I had to explain what was on the list of because there were ten of them. They didn't have to be long explanations. And so yes, that's where it started is what what about the top ten and that got people talking post that and people like, but what about this? But what about this? But what about this? And I think it turned into a very interesting exercise. It's sort of like, what are those features that are that are missing that. We would really like to see in sorta ranked them. I mean, there's room for improvement. I left a couple out that. I think probably more important than some of the ones I left in. But it was also a personal list. There's features that I think are important for a lot of people that were not as important for me. So I didn't list them. But yeah, it was a fun exercise. So we will run through the list is you wrote. And then at the end, we will address some of the like Komen. What do you think about maybe I'm gonna stuff that was missed off? Yeah. I can't believe you didn't mention there got a few of those. So we will cover those two number ten menu bomb mode. What is a manual mode on the I mode. I. So my this is why it's number ten is. It's kind of idea, but the idea is that if if developers are converting their apps using marzipan next year to run on the MAC, what they're gonna do is things like define how they work with many, bars and windows and stuff like that. And it got me thinking, I wonder since I've got all this great external display support on the ipad. Pro if those same apps running on the ipad pro, maybe they could take advantage of all that extra information the menu bar back minibar information and keyboard shortcuts, and all of that and kind of interim owed that's not turn it into a MAC. But is something that might be more drivable on an external display with either either like a keyboard on a track pad or even the using the ipad as a pointing device sort of like converts into something more like a desktop when it's tach d- to an external display again number ten kind of a. Whacky one that I actually don't think apple will ever do because it's feels like a bridge too far. But I think they totally could and a lot of the feedback. I got was surprising in that. It was positive like, Steve trout and Smith. I think responded to this one is like, yeah, they could do more than that use those marzipan apps, and there was somebody else who said why do you say this in context of the ipad? I wanna plug in my iphone to a big monitor and have it enter menu bar bonus. And you could do that that I said, you know, you're ruining my premise now by saying the iphone that's why I didn't mention the iphone. But yet totally you could I don't know this feels like it's a bridge too far for apple because apple seems to have made some very drawn some lines that they seem unwilling to erase about what I o s looks like. And I think marzipan is is actually the proof of that the idea that rather than bring IOS to a laptop form factor. They've just decided they're gonna make the apps go over to the laptop but not call it. I o s they're going to call it MAC OS, but it's going to be apps on that co S, and that maybe that that appears to be drawing the line, but still I think about the big external drive or. Ice support the big external display support four K five K displays I think you gotta do something with that. That isn't just it's, you know, it's a preview of your media, right? Like, there's gotta be something more. You could do make to make that more useful one way would be to find a way to derive that interface. And you can't do that right now on IOS. It's just a mirror. It's an external preview so something maybe menu bar motives that. If menu bar was something like that would exist when you plug it in and the interface changes in some way to allow you to maybe use mobile application. She's more of them one time. There are things that you need to do that. We'll get to those like this this different things that you need. But kind of just just going about this a moment. Like, maybe maybe right? Like thinking of has like menu mode is not the right way to think of it. Because it might just be that like what is the next thing. So like, you take the MAC, and you take take and you smashed them together. And then what comes out? Out. Right. Like, how does the computer? Look like that right now, you have a really big screen. You have a twenty seven inch screen, and you have slash MAC OS apps that can run together in the same place. What does that user interface? Look like, right. And maybe they call a desktop mode or extract display mode. If it was a marketing marketing for it. I might call it like desktop mode or something like that. And just say this is how do you use on a desktop? Well, here's one way attached to an external display. I also don't think it would have like MAC windows. Right. I think it would have. I think we're assuming thirteen is going to have some sort of different some spin on multitasking in running as later tabs may be. But, but whatever it will be I think it'll be more I o s method of running things in full screen, or or split view or slide over or tabbed views or something like that. But that idea of Dr this on the next journal display, and then benign external touch screen support. What does this mean, this would be even better? And this would be what if you plugged an ipad or an iphone I suppose into one of these four care five K displays that was a touchscreen. And I don't know what the standards are ovo if apple built its external display with touch multi touch on it. They they could do it. However, they liked, but the idea of we keep talking about what if apple made a surface studio that you know, that that's the I MAC like product I was actually at twit yesterday and Lille port on the set he was using the surface studio and with the with the side, edges and the actually the shape of the buttons on it. It looks like an oversize novelty, ipad pro Twenty-eight legitimately it looks like a an enormous ipad pro sitting at his desk. But what if apple doesn't make that? What if apple just makes display four k or five k display with touch and says if you wanna use this as an ipad just plug in an ipad and boom. Now, you have an ipad. That's that size. Why not and I liked the thing that you posed as like, well, we know apple make him on it is again, right? Like what if one of them was really expensive? And it was this. Right. Right. So you could attach it to your MAC pro or your MAC, mini or as an external display for your MAC pro. But you can also attach to your ipad pro. I would love that. Wouldn't be now they're gonna get us there because the surface studio has this kind of drafting table kind of mode where it will drop way down. It's one way. Ways to do it that way, but apple is not beyond doing something. Very similar. And if it wasn't the thing about the surface studio is it's got a huge foot because it's got the computer inside. And it's got the thin. It's a little bit like the Gooseneck the chrome arm. I MAC where there's a computer in the base and the the display super thin and light. So apple doesn't have to do that apple needs wait in the base just to keep it from tipping over. But apple doesn't have to build a whole computer into it. Because it's an external display and that gives them a little bit more freedom. I'm sure they could develop an adjustable touch screen external display that would work for MAC users, especially if the MAC gets touch eventually with of especially with marzipan coming in. But certainly fry OS. So the next thing that you move onto is keyboard shortcuts for function keys. So, you know, this is we're talking about right? Like what we were missing from the. Keeble folio right is being able to that. We wanna things we beloved bridge. Keyboards is the ability changed brightness playing pool music. You have home like you buttons for the home to get home. You can use Siri buttons. Like, they're old then and Apple's keyboards don't have that. But it's more than just that. Right. The smart keyboard folio? Doesn't have that Roe. And I said in my you know, ATP and Marco talking about his briefings. I don't generally talk about what happens in the briefings because they're sort of on background. But I will say this that I said to the people I was talking to very specifically. I said the problem, I like this keyboard, it's very nice. You not having the function row. I know nobody cares about the function row, but the function rose where you put all of your media shortcuts your brightness volume shortcuts. And it kills me that you can't that you can't set as an alternative set a keyboard shortcut of your own for those things. So that I can when I'm using the smart keyboard folio, and I want to adjust the volume or pause my song or change the brightness on an external bluetooth keyboard? I can do that from key on the ipad. I have to to reach up swipe down from control center and get the control and do it. And it's not as nice, and I will say my the response was essentially we hear you like it was not. No, no, no. No. That's dumb. Nobody. Does that? Right. It was like we hear you. Which is I don't think that's an endorsement that they're gonna make a change down the road. But I I was impressed that they didn't give me an impassioned defense of omitting the function KIRO, I don't need those keys. I really don't. I don't care that they're gone on this marquee board folio, but apple itself already re tasked them all with things that were more useful than generic function keys. And and then they omitted them from this. Apple does love the function row because they did the touch bar too. But it would be nice if I hadn't alternative to that. And then you can you can broaden it out from there. But the whole idea that I wanted to be system like keyboard shortcuts like this, and there could be others. And at that point, you probably should have them be at least somewhat, customizable. You can do that on the MAC today. I know that risks collisions with. With apps, but you know, the MAC handles that today where if there's a collision the app wins. And that's it. It's fine. If you have an app that collides with keyboard shortcut changed the shortcut and just deal with it. If users can assign it than it doesn't matter. I would like to see more of that. This is one that is of great interest to me, and you but maybe the world at lodge, but would be wonderful is mature audio support. Yeah. Yeah. This is we beat on this a lot. But the way I boiled it down in in my article, and I think this is the way to think of it is we have apps on IOS that can record audio. And we can run more than one app at a time. In fact, you can run three apps at once with slight over but only one app can attach to your microphone at a time. Also, I mean, it goes beyond that to things like if you have an app that has microphone access or you're playing music in the background. And then you tap on video on Twitter. Lots of weird things happen because I o s kind of wants to only have one thing playing at one time and one to hatch to the microphone while another app is playing music the music just stops which is frustrating. So it's not just input. It's just a more mature audio platform for IOS, and this comes up in a bunch of ways. I one woman later is the idea that for videoconferencing. It's a similar thing where you kind of have to do that full screen somebody pointed out to me, it's really nice if it video conferencing, I could pop in pitch picture picture or run side by side and run other apps and stuff. It's like a lot of that stuff. In a lot of apps doesn't quite work. Right because Apple's apple has not focused on making this stuff better. But yes, I would really like it if I could have multiple input devices supported by which doesn't exist right now. It it's which is for you. And yes, if I could run a recorder app and a a video conferencing or audio conferencing up side-by-side and both of them could see the microphone at once. So I could record myself while I was talking to you. That would be great. It's just not there. I mean, I seems to have some basic understanding of multiple audio right? Like in the play to a shown that you know, you can be using play to. Yes. As something. And you can also hear audio right? Like, it's a thing that that seems to be something, and I don't know how related aroma late it does things up. But it's huge. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big step forward on the input side. They have taken his biggest forward some of the apps. Still do weird things to your audio. They have they have made advances here. But I would like a little bit more. It just it feels very much like this was a decision that was made a long time ago. And it was in a world where only one apparant at a time and the world has changed. And this has not like we know that audio bus exists, which is this way in Iowa us to be able to like move application. Move audio between multiple applications, but let's say audio bus has been around for years. And it hasn't really changed anything on us this ways. This is something that I got a feedback from somebody about who said there already exist. These different interfaces that let APs share audio. It's just that the apps all the apps that do this video conferencing and audio conferencing, don't support it, and the implication there is that this apple already solve this problem. It's just the apps faults for not supporting it, and I'd say, well, I think it still falls on apple this could be way easier and whatever they're doing. Now, it's not working because these apps aren't supporting it and one way to make it. Ways easier is to just let the apps do what they're doing now. And have it work is that the apps don't need to support. Right. Because that's not how it works on the MAC Skype is not going to add audio bus support. It's not going to happen. I wish it would. But so, you know, apple needs to do something to get all of these audio apps to actually be able to to interrupt rate in a way that an audio bus. Also was built for, you know, basically music production stuff, and it's probably overkill for these other apps to implement, but anyway, yeah, I just I don't care how it's done. I just wanted to work, and I don't wanna have to. Hope that one day the maker of an app decides to finally implemented. I would like it to be something that applicant do at the system level to make this basically no brainer. And develop a tools IOS. I guess this is like the showing of mature on the platform. Right. Like a platform, I guess mature when you can make apps the on the thing, right? Like you make maps on a MAC, right? Make I pod apps on the ipad. I mean, that's that's the that's the standard line to be a legitimate computing platform. You gotta develop software on that platform. A lot of people believe that those people are also for developers. I don't I don't believe it. I think it's a legitimate legitimate computing platform now, but I will say yes, it would make lots of sense for apple to do some sort of development tool to. I wonder if it's not ex- code though. I wonder if apple is working on some sort of thing that they'll you know, that'll be a next generation development tool that runs on MAC IOS, and they keep ex code around. But there's this thing, and and they kind of final cut tenant where it's like this is new and it's going to grow and ExCo. It's going to be still around for a while. But we're also going to invest in this and it runs on both platforms, and it will be limited. And they won't be able to bring overall there max off wear to to run it on IRS or even their software. It'll be you know, in they'll be complaints and the whole story, right? I think that might be the approach they I think history has shown that that will one hundred percent be the route that gets taken this crisis him, right? This just that's just the way of the suffering has been going. It's adobe is doing Photoshop doing this exact thing too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and that will make everybody nervous because people who rely on their like, what do you mean? You've got a new development tool what about X code? And I think the answer will be ExCo. It's not going anywhere for a very long time on the MAC, but we're also going to invest in this new thing that is on the MAC NIS, and that is sort of the future development environment. And it's the, you know, the next generation developer environment. They could also just do X code for less. But I just my gut feeling is that that's an old piece of software, and that may be their solution when they introduced a lot of rumors about them. Introducing a bunch of new development features and ways of building apps in a future version of the S's. I wonder if this is all connected, I'm trying to connect dots here. So yes, I am in an evidence dungeon with a bunch of yarn. Connecting different scraps of paper. And let's figure it out people. Let's go through the rabbit hole here. But it does sort of feel like maybe this is an opportunity for apple to kind of say, here's a whole story about what we're doing with future about platform. Development. And it includes an that that story has to include IOS as a place where you do your development. It can't just be a target. And so yes, even though I'm not a developer and kind of don't care from a professional level about like the ability to develop on my ipad pro because I'm not going to do that. I think it does need to happen at some point. And I would like to see apple start to move in that direction because it sends a signal rights like I've had pro it's so powerful you can develop software on it. Like that. That's important. Send the message. Well, how through the top ten list, which seems like the perfect time to take a break and thank smile for. This of this show today about PDF pen, the ultimate tool editing. PDF some friends at smile using PDF pen, you can say goodbye to having to do a bunch of filing, and you can go completely, paperless. The scanning and Oziel you'll be able to break that cycle of like you receive a contract you have to print. It you sign it will pan Scana an Email it none of that PDF Penn. You get that document. It could be a word document. It can be a PDF. It doesn't matter. 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And, you know, not to I already did already gave them a little bit of a funny voice, but not not to repel these complaints. But I feel like I it's it's the worst kind of. Steve Jobs told us what this product was eight years ago. And therefore, it must always be that way kind of like came down from the mountain top kind of dogma that it's just like, no wrong. I don't care. I don't care what they thought about this product eight years ago. Let's talk about twenty eight hundred for buddy knows Steve Jobs changed his mind. Yeah. Well, and it kills me too. Because I get it from the other side too where I talk about the apple pencil and people like oh stylus. I thought you didn't need those which is not what Steve Jobs said about that either. But anyways in about the ipad, and it was like whatever it was about requiring a stylus instead of making it optional. But anyway, that's not that's already in there. That's that's a port that they said they would never ever ever ever come to. Of course it did with the apple pencil. So external points what I'm not asking for. And what I think a lot of people think when I talk about this is a little black arrow that I can slide around on the screen between windows and turn my ipad into a MAC. That's not what I want. But first off the genie's out of the bottle, the editing. Text. There was a. There was a whole raft of stories last week where people were blown away by the fact that you can use a text cursor on IOS by three touch or by touch and hold on the on the space bar, which is of thing. We've talked about a lot, but is not super discoverable. And therefore people are still surprised by it. And it is great. And it's been there for a while. Like apple has occurred, sir that you can move around on scream it's already there. So the idea of having a cursor is already in Iowa for text editing where it's very useful. That's why they did it. And I would like that for an external device that like a track pad that I could keep it the same plane as my keyboard? So I don't have to reach up to the display at a text. And the other thing that I use my max track for that. I'd like to on IOS is multi gestures because again, I have them on my ipad. But my ipad is up there. And I'm down here on the keyboard? And I'd really like to be able to reach under or beside my keyboard and swipe to another. App or bring up multitasking with a multi finger gesture like I do on my MAC. And so I could I totally use an external device like the apple pencil. It doesn't need to be required. But wouldn't it be nice? If there was a whole new round of of external keyboard accessories, for ipad that also had a little track pad that you could use to edit text or swipe between apps or whatever without leading ages access scrolling scrolling scrolling stuff all the time. Right. Like when I when I'm sitting in keyboard mode. It's optimized for my hands on the keys, but I still have to reach up swipe through a webpage. Well, I would love to be able to just move my hand to the right slightly down and do a finger scroll and swipe that webpage. So I'm not saying it super easy. And there are like lots of complications with it. And I don't think it would be a mainstream us, I think it would be a small productive. Subset like the keyboard is not a mainstream use. I would say, but I wanted. I want to call it a pro use a feature, it'd be a pro feature it could be and then if you're using if you're using video editor an audio editor all sorts of other applications now you've got this touch surface at the keyboard level that let's do some swiping and scrolling that you otherwise have to kind of go back and forth between the keyboard and the screen, and that's not as good. I will say like, I know what you mean about saying about the cuss up. But I do think that if there is an ultimate option like if something that is being encouraged that we start plugging pads into full can't sprays. I do think trying to find a way to to have a customer. Onscreen would be interesting. I think it is an impossibility that's menu bar mode. Right. Maybe a little bit different. But yeah, I think in in a mode like that. I mean, you almost you would have to have this to do menu bar and a cuss at doesn't have to be the little black arrow. Right. Like, it could be a circle which is almost the size of a human finger right in the just us. I don't love the idea of having a virtual finger that you move around with a track pad. I don't I don't love that idea. I be okay with an IRS that that worked with gestures and has curses and very specific contexts with extra pointing I would love your thing. I'm just saying is it's not the worst thing in the world to to to assume some kind of Cosa because it's like there are platforms. Right. Like, Chromebooks and windows. They find to make these things. Coexist. I think it is possible. It's maybe the most elegant thing, but it might be interestingly usable of time. We'll say number four think upgrade listeners keen, upgrade listeners know, you'll failings on this one pro apps when I less. Yes, I ranted about this last time. So we'll just say. Apple one way apple shows that it's believes in its own platform is appropriate for him. Yes. The developer tools is one way bringing its other professional tools like final cut and logic to the ipad is another way adobe doing it with Ota shop. I think it is. Yeah. I mean, I already already ranted about it. So I won't rand again than to say that I think it is. Thing that apple needs to do just to show that it's taking the pro market on the ipad. Seriously, even if it's impractical. Even if the they won't have as many users for it. At least at first like there are lots of excuses. I had somebody say we can't use logic on Levin inch screen use logic on eleven inch macbook air for years. So I know I think they just need to do it to say, yes, we are there to pro apps are real and they run great on ipad. Pro I think they need to do. It's not necessarily an IOS feature. Although maybe they need to update IRS to do. I would imagine it will come in conjunction with an IOS released. But maybe not but still it's on my list. Number three additions to shortcuts. So I was thinking you talk about those keyboard shortcuts Olea wouldn't it be lucky to activate shortcut shortcuts? Keyboard shortcuts. It would be so great. I I want keyboard access for shortcuts everywhere. So that I can run a shortcut without having to open the share menu and tap shortcuts. I also want them to truly run in the background. So I don't have to see every step running that happens in Syria, and it happens. It happens in the the today view in notification center, they run their without showing you all the steps I would like to run optionally other places without showing those steps. So I could do a keyboard shortcut, Nick. It's running shortcut do done. Right. I would love to be able to do that. It does tie in with my idea of system wide shortcuts. Although the way the MAC does it you can also apply shortcuts in particular apps. Okay. If we want to do that, that's fine. And then the other part of this. And it's something that you, and I've talked about a lot is. Scheduling shortcuts having the ability to say run the shortcut at eight AM, everyday tying it in with an alarm or having it be an alarm thinking hung kit. You could tie into homecare automations cheryl's corruption like alums gripe is enough one right? Like, you have good morning short gut. Why not just have that trigger with you'll automated? What if we've home kill to mention it's another way to potentially do. But be great, right? Like, this is I genuinely feel like these types of things these additions to show cuts a one of the more likely things because sure super powerful, and they haven't been working on it for that long. You know inside of apple and they did a lot over the interesting stuff. This is the integration with that. I'm talking about here. But there are lots of other ways eighteen Bueno in the chat room said it would be nice. If there was an under undue gesture insured cuts. Yes, you should also be able to copy individual items and whole sets of items and duplicate them or paste them elsewhere in the shortcuts, and of course, Federico itchy will tell you at the drop of a hat folder shortcuts. So that they're not all in one giant scrolling list. Would also be nice there app improvements that need to be made with. But I also wanted to be better integrated system wide. Yes. We don't really need to talk about number two any more than we already have external storage in the files app. Like, yep. Yes. It's judging game. I my elevator pitch is basically look some people in some context still need to refile off drive or connect to a file server in their in their office or home. And and you've got an app called files. And you've got you have you have a standard connect to now. Just just make it happen. Just make it happen. Like, I it is it is the one that boggles my mind only because it could think of how much criticism they could've avoided in the arguments of not a real computer if they had been able to ship that feature before they shipped the new ipad pro, but they didn't you know, the thing is Jason it would've just been something else been. But that was that was that was an it's an easy that was an easy target, and they could have removed it and they didn't. And as we mentioned that if you following along the David Letterman style lists the number one away with some kind of joke. So that's what we're all jokes. But the most absurd and not necessarily funny joke was the number one. And so for my list, I put number one you mo- g like we had animal g and we had Meemaw. Gee, what about you mo- g with those native replace we moved this your your friends face with with an animal? Because you don't wanna see their face. I don't know. Whatever it's just a joke. I don't need this. I'll take the other nine, but there's a bunch. We didn't mention this as one I put in on document to she's spoken about in the pasta. I was surprised didn't make it. He'll this actually because I know you care about this so much at desktop class safari browser. Yeah. I think this is it's complicated. This the reason that I didn't wanna get into it in the article, but it's complicated. Because some of this is on the web, developers because web developers are syncing and browser and serving a light version of some of it is on the complications of the assumptions that you make a web developer that there's a pointing device with hover states and all now, click states that are not ones that exist on touch screen. And so they have to provide this alternate view. And they're basically doing it for phones and the ipad sort of deduction the middle track pad mode could do right, right? So that that's possible. Also, apple could find other ways, I think? I think apple could find ways to make this more palatable. And the reason we want this is because there's some web apps that that should run fine on ipad. And they don't because they're broken because they're serving this weird mobile version, and if safari was given the charter on IOS that it should be at least able to run desktop level stuff. Maybe it's a setting. Maybe it's for certain sites. Lots of ways you could do it. But a lot of times you run into a situation where you need to open a webpage on I o s device, and it doesn't work, right? And I don't you know. But why like all the power is there, but it's being served strangely. You know, there are browsers that will pose as computer browsers, and sometimes that works sometimes it doesn't. But I feel like this is something this is a problem that apple needs to try to solve. And if some of that is by making changes to the software that make it a more more complicated world for web developers web, developers have to pay attention or if they just had to fake it. And just pretend they're a MAC running safari and do some stuff in the background to make it all kind of work, right or make that mode. Optional whatever it is. This is a frustration. Because sometimes there that are not as full featured the web app, so you need to go to the web app, or there is no app for something and you have to use the web app, and when you try you realize I literally can't do this thing on my pad because of the way that the website is built. Really? It's super annoying running. I phone abs- in landscape. Somebody tweeted this in and it's totally true. If you run an app, that's not universal. So it doesn't support the ipad. It insists on running it in portrait orientation, and it runs you'll be some like like I phone SE modal someplace and then blown up. It's not good. So I know that apple doesn't wanna make phone app. Compatibility a priority because they want to shame the developers of these apps, but I have a couple that I have to run and I run on my ipad. I got a like, it's just so bad. So just, you know, have pity on the poor, I bad user, we use our our devices in horizontal orientation a lot, please let that be okay. So like Instagram is obviously vague one. And I saying I mentioned is because it is something shine association a couple of days ago. So like Instagram their app is so bad like the I like the iphone app is so bad on the ipad. Like, it's not using toll. Inside. Don't I just I just use the website Instagram has a bad website. Right. And like you can use the website. But I was playing around. We'll can what can you do with the website version, and you can apparently add to your Instagram story. And I was like strange so pressed, and it said you have to rotate your trite now, it's like this is so weird. But yeah, you were tater device the poetry, and you can take pictures with the iphone camera on the Instagram website. And it's just like these things like why did you make this Instagram, but you don't have an I've had up. Why did you put so much effort into a website? Even allowing you to take pictures from devices on the website. You don't have an ipad up. It's very peculiar to me. Very betta videoconferencing support. I mean, I you kind of references. But I don't really understand what the issues because I guess I don't do a lot of the the impression. I heard about this from a reader, and there is not just audio video too. I have these video conference apps that insist on being full screen, and it's again, it's one of these kind of legacies where they're insisting on being screen. This is an example where I don't know whether that is just an app that has decided to ban multitasking or whether they are doing that or forced to do that. Because of the way the video and audio subsystems of IOS work. I don't know. But given the complexities of audio stuff. It may be that. They're like, no, no, no. We don't want other apps running, but his frustration is he wants to have his office videoconferencing app open side by side with like document. And he says that at least with the apps that they use the can't do that. So I just wanted to kind of throw that in there as yes, this is the thing that that the ipad needs to be better at is. You should be better at doing anything you need to do in multitasking. If multitasking is good. Some people wanna do stuff in multitasking having an app that forces. You out of multitasking is not good. So then as an advancement to multi toss game, we could be looking at tabbed app instances. And this is like a thing that I keep seeing people like Steve trout Smith talking about I think Steve thinks that this is not only a good way for it to go. But believes that this is the way the IRS the teen will go. So this is like if you magin looking at different webpages in safari or chrome, and you have tabs will imagine that you using Google dogs and you had tabs in Google docs, and you could mix those instances all up together. And that could be a way that you would allow locations to have multiple instances running and stuff like that. What do you think of that is complicated to get around? I think yeah, I think so the basic version of this is ABC should be able to think of it as opening multiple windows like on a MAC apps can open multiple windows on IRS. You really can't do that. Although safari does it you can have to safari windows running side by side. And so the idea there is let this happen again too. Does it? I think it has version of but screen in mail on. I I don't know or if that's just multiple panes. Anyway. So the point here is lead other apps. Do it had this system wide function? I think this has the the assumption. Everybody's making here is that that's going to go along with marzipan stuff. Like, you're gonna have to have the ability on the MAC, potentially have multiple windows open. How do you reference that on us and the answer is you can have tabs or you can have at least a side by side kind of thing. There are other uses here to like the flexibility this gives you. Yes, it means that I can run Microsoft Word with to dock side by side. It also means that I could have like safari and another app open and split you. But also have different safari view in slide over let's say like that could be cool like again, not forever use. But it increases the flexibility of the OS to have all the apps be able to tap into this. And yes beyond that you start to say how do you deal with lots of different apps running in different places may. Maybe there's a tab tab interface where the tabs are different apps. I'm not sure apple wants to go there. That's a very different interface approach from today. But you know, but who knows but something like that at the very least we all think wanna see the ability for apps to have multiple instances running at once. And something I hate people talk about quite a lot is multiple use a log ins on. Yes. And I heard about this from a bunch of people. It's not a feature that I care about. Because I don't share my ipad pro if the rest of my family, but there are a lot of people who I think Apple's argument is like, you know, this is this is a pro product. But the reality is people show these devices in one thousand dollars people are gonna share these devices still they're not gonna just say, no, no, no. This one's expensive. Nobody else can use it. A lot of people. These are pets are shared devices. Iphones a personal devices. Dan Moran wrote a thing amac where last week about it. And he made a point like it goes beyond the ipad. Like there are sumptious apple makes about one device for one person that work on the iphone and it starts to break down with the ipad. And with the home pod and a little bit with the apple TV. But I think the home pod is another great example where it doesn't recognize different people. It will only title one apple ID if you have one apple ID. Because it doesn't recognize other people, and you turn personalized like music suggestions on than everything. Everybody uses at home pot is now feeding data into your personal account which I turn that off because I'm like, wait a second. I don't want the random songs. My daughter plays to be influencing my four you data on on my apple music. Like, I I'm not I don't want that. I want to keep my data the stuff that I'm playing, and it just it has no way of doing that. I think this all goes together, which is apple has to deal with his idea of devices that are shared and how does it go? We got face ide- confess, I d do multiple multiple views because that would be the nice way to do. It is to have your face ID like like touch ID actually on max detect who you are and log you into your user, but that adds all this complexity of having a logged in logged out state. But I heard from a lot of people who say they really really want this because they want to be able to use their ipad. And then like flip it into a different mode where their kids can use it. And. They only had you know, they don't have access to their emails and stuff like that. It's just the kids stuff, and I get it. I get it. That's a hard problem to solve an apple has not shown a lot of interest in solving it, but they have had some sort of version of this in education for a couple of years now. And I think it's worth mentioning as a potentially being on the list. Great items in the love to see a big chunk of these. Let's see what we get twenty nineteen. All right. It's time for some hashtag ask upgrade questions. Today's upgrade is brought to you by simple contacts. I'm sure listen to that. You have many things that Demongeot time you have to do side projects to complete in your innings and less vanished. US and stuff. You want to yourself video games? You wanna play maybe work through poke him on a red Denver Dempsey to no matter. What it is. 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I have some of the apps on my first page of my home screen or the same. Most of them are not. I don't like apps on my iphone than have apps then at the same that somebody ipad vice versa. Right. Like, I have the absent I need on each device, and I will say the I set both of my ipads up practically identically, I do it manually and try and keep those relatively the same like, for example, the twelve point nine inch. I pro- I think can have one or two extra apps in the dog, then the eleven, but but I don't put that extra Eappen on small because it gets really small, but it would it would mess up my brain. I do put basically the the minimum minus one in that. And I also have I have a folder to where I have a bunch of utilities frequently using multitasking pulled in too. Jim wants to know if Mike is still using G board. I am still used Yugo my iphone tell you why the two reasons three reasons I use g to continue to use it one emoji such you have four emoji GB to swipe typing I use wipe typing. An awful lot helps muse my phone with one hand is really awesome. Three the dictionary the ultra predict the ultra correction that is bad. If in the G bullet for a couple of reasons one I just find that it gives me better results in too. I think that they use some Google such stuff, you know. So like if I type in Polk him on the options right now, come up to say, let's go to two things I can tap because I think Google is a little bit aware of this guy. See stuff that's happening. So they kind of tailor the the dictionary for that is what I believe is going on. Because I see this stuff. I've been quite a lot. I will recommend if you want to try g bowed on your iphone the I don't use it on my ipad. Because the cables are good on the ipad. If you want to try on your on your iphone, you need to get rid of the other keyboard, you have to go all in. So you used to it. So you understand the limitations you understand that? Sometimes when you have to enter passwords, you won't get you'll correct, right? It's going to give you the the regular keyboard. You really need to understand it. So you can really try out. So you add this cable, and then when you go back into key Woodson's once you've added a second keyboard, you can actually delete the say like. United Kingdom or American English or whatever keyboard you can move apple. Keyboard can go, and then you have just Jihua it. So if you wanna try I really recommend going all in on it for like a week. And if it doesn't what if you it doesn't work for you. But it really works for me on a big fan of it way. Better updating as well. Right. Like, they have like the new emoji when this new emoji. They have been a couple of days now and it used to take a long time. But I think that team is pretty focused. So they seem to get out quick. I use it to not all the time. But a lot of the time. I I have both. Now, there were some really weird cases where the Jeep board was quitting. And I was left with no keyboard. So I it crashed. But I do use it a lot and there are moments where for whatever reason I'm getting very frustrated with typing out things where I will. I don't I don't swipe type all the time. But there are I will go through periods where I do because I'm frustrated that you know, or I need to get something out really fast with lots of words in it. And. This wipe typing as much better at that. Yeah. Like this is what I'm saying about like goal in. So you understand the frustrations sometimes crashes, but as a couple of things, right? So like all of the stuff with a quick type, boss. So like the two factor authentication codes, the new poss with stuff in Iowa's twelve you still get love that. Like that actually is like a separate thing. Still exists when you have the pike keyboard. So you don't lose out on that also functionality. So it's what airing in mind. That's because by the way when you go into a possible field. I o s flips you out to the the Senate cable. Yeah. So you still get that functionality, which is really great. But Tosks, it's no pretty practical for me to use the laptop replacement in part because of the strict climates of the app store. Do you think apple ever let you instill unverified absent IOS? Do you think they need to know? And no, yeah. That's exactly. And I I would actually rephrase this question. I don't think. That I mean, unless you're saying it's not practical for me these ipad because I wanna run bittorrent and Vitor Napster banned from the app store or something like that. But like apples requirements like I don't think that that's a good enough excuse in most cases, I think that apple has started. You know, there's they have opened up a lot in the app store and the stuff that is not allowed. You know? I will say this that if there is a developmental for that runs on the ipad that is going to enable people to do what they do now, which is due on the ipad running a custom build of something that you download from get hub and you run in. It's just for you. They'll be more of that. Perhaps you can do that now with downloading things for ex code, and then installing them on your device, there are ways, but not to distribute them more widely and more easily, and I agree with you. Mike never going to happen like a complete side loading of apps. No, I don't think it's ever going to happen. Then I'm going to do it. And. Don't think they need to the right. Like, I think, you know, the best the best examples like what they've tried to do kind of think mostly failed on the MAC with like Sam boxing stuff like that was their attempt to trying to. Close up that system a little bit more by being able to offer the greatness of the maps though. But turns out just didn't look really well, and what they're trying to do now with the map store. I think is is indicative of what they would do with the app store, which is if there's a need they will find ways to rather than just let you side load. They're going to find ways to create entitlements for apps that are get the grant them more access, and that entitlement has to be improved. Like, the the best example that doesn't come people who argue this don't talk about is car play where like you can't just write a car play app apple has to actually approve specially your ability to access carplay, and they only do it for a very limited number of apps. There are not very many carplay apps, and one of the reasons that that is true is not because people aren't trying it's because apple won't let you and so, you know, if it turns out, there's a real need for a certain kind of access Appleton have to give that access. Everybody. They can say this is a specific entitlement and only certain apps will be granted. And every other app that tries to use. It will be rejected. And I think more of that is more likely in the future across all platforms. But including IRS that if there's a need and developers alike, we can't make this whole class of apps because of this. I think Apple's going to be more open to the idea of saying. All right. Maybe there's a way for us to do that. Whether or not going to do is say sure, go ahead. They're going to say we spent a year and built this whole structure for this particular, entitlement. And now you can ask for it design station asks do you guys do a local backup of I tunes purchases like music TV shows and movies? It seems that with itchy cloud integration. It's necessary. What he'll thoughts on this. I don't do any local backups period. I don't do a local back about my device in. Anyway, I realize certainly not for media, and I don't do local backups of the device. No, it's all an I cloud. I'm not interested in in using tunes. The only thing I use. I do for. In relation to IRS. These days is that I will use it to get to the file transfer stuff. So I can transfer across a wire big audio files does about it. I don't I otherwise it's in the cloud. That's it. So my thing is like if I have something downloaded on my MAC, it will be backed up by time machine. I guess, but I don't download my Akzo. Like, no, like, I know I even treat my I choose purchases a streaming purchases ride. Like, yes, if I buy TV series. It very rarely is downloaded anywhere. Right. Like, I'm just playing it. Right. Whenever I want. I'm going on a trip or right? I understand why people say because I know that like. Wade rights changes which has happened can like remove falls like, yeah. But they're generally those stories go around, and they're generally errors, the stories generally are turn out to be mistakes because if you buy something, and then it goes off sale in the in the store, whether it's an app or a piece of music or a movie or a TV show. Generally, you still get it people who bought it still get it. It's days on the servers. You can still download it people knew people can't buy it. And when you hear those stories like, oh, I bought this thing. And then apple just made it disappear. And they didn't care that happened a few months ago, and it turned out. It was a mistake. It was a bug. It was not apple trying to take your movie away. I I imagine the even less say that say that they did do it. Right. Like that was something that got removed at some point. I don't think having a backup of is going to help you right because. Check-in? Yes. Yeah. It's DM rap backup. Maybe. But I just I just don't think that this is no. Answer the question. I'm not gonna guarantee it onto percent of the time. But I do not download media from apple unless I'm going on a trip and I wanted on on my Pat on a plane and. Right. Like, I just treat apples stole as my backup. Right. Like, I just it's not even it's not even my backup. It's my repository for by from apple. It's not, you know, my I cloud backup is a backup. But my media stuff. It's just that's where that stuff lives. But like, I will also say, you know, I try everything I can to not by media nail. Like, I prefer to stream right? Like, I don't buy music. I stream my music. I only have a by like TV shows and movies when on a streaming of pay fuller, and they're the only types of media that I do by now because I just preferred to stream and I figure there's always going to be a stream of us around this shrimp service. I use goes away just move to another one like, you know, I don't really think especially music and for loss of loss of video content. I don't really think of owning anymore. Like, it's just not really hell, I think of it like I pay. Well, I consider to be a. Relatively small amount of money for the amount of new stuff that I can seem like if I bought everything. The I consumed who'd be a lot more money than my streaming bills cost me. Right. Can you imagine that like like if I if I listened if I play pay for the albums, I listen to these days a lot of money every month? Low more them my like ten dollars or whatever that I pay full with apple music. If you have a question that you would like to submit for a late two episode. 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A really really cool. Thanks to Luna display for this this show, and we laugh. So my neighbor Totoro. So why did you choose this movie? Foamy Jason it is a beloved movie in my house and across the world. It is from the eighties, which is sort of what we try to stick with with this is as old as me nineteen Eighty-eight. Yes, it is. Well, I just turned into just and blew away. And although the as my daughter asked me. When 'cause 'cause we usually watch the the dubbed version rather than Japanese with English subtitles, the dub is from two thousand six right? So the movie is from eight, but it has actors in they're like well that person wasn't alive in eighty eight. But the the mainstream English dub version that's out there. These days is from two thousand six movies from eighty eight. I I I saw it. I don't know probably. Yeah. Two thousand eight two thousand ten two thousand twelve it was not that long ago that I saw it seems more reason to me than it actually is. And I think for most Americans that's probably true because I think our understanding of Higham me as Ocoee, the brilliant Japanese animation director in America has he went mainstream a little bit later than you know, he was a huge star in Japan. So as I like to do with these movies tell you what I knew in thought before about. I knew it was a beloved move. I even wrote beloved movie, and you said beloved movie, which I think is funny. I'm very familiar with the character Totoro, you know, like, I know the kerosene Totoro around seen it, you know, as somebody who loves pushing like Peugeot. Yeah. Yeah. Go together, quite nice. There's right. I know the umbrella bus stop image, very well. Right. Like, just like an iconic image. So I asked a question is 'to Toronto imaginary friend that was my thought going into the movie like is totally imaginary friend is that we'll throw is. We'll find out your question. And then also just as a note, this is my first ever me as movie, I've never seen a me as I can move it before how well we're I realized that that depending on how this goes we may rapidly move onto Kiki's delivery service. But. Just actually my favorite me as Ocoee movie. This is my probably second favorite so eighties. If there is a special guest host of next week's episode listening right now, they will be the fact I watched the dubbed movie, I watched the I'm sure I'm sure that would that person. I just appear is out there. And it's true. If you wanna closest to the Japanese spirit because the dubs have to match the sort of the mouth movement, and what's on screen, and so they don't always impart all the same information that you get any translation of what the they're saying Japanese, and I get that at the same time for an animated movie. I do have this other feeling which is it's all dubbed in a way. Because there are they are drawings with somebody's recorded voice underneath them. But I get it. I have watched it with the subs before. But I didn't watch it with the subs. This time either. I I watched the dubbed version so the movie, I guess is focused around. A young family moving from Tokyo to the country because the mom of the family is sick. And they never say what? But it's clearly something very bad. We'll. Hello sus. But okay. Yeah. Okay. And that's villain in the film, by the way, the the villain. Illness is the illness of the mom, there's no bad person in this. And so then moving to the country because I guess it will be that of a once she hopefully gets better, and the movie is focused around the two girls sit ski, and may now I just assumed that may would be the main focus at the movie and off to the establishing that. Subscribe would would fade into the background. But that wasn't the case. Now is the the main character is is just this adorable little sister. And I liked that. I wasn't what I expected, but I enjoyed that. I will say this movie. Perfectly catches the relationship of a younger sibling, doesn't it doesn't. I as having. I never had. Close age siblings. But having had two kids who were three years apart. I laugh at that so much because it's so true. Like just there's a scene where they're going through the house. And may just keeps basically doing exactly what set ski already did. And repeat anything and everything everything she says and all of that. And and she says I'm going to do this thing. Like, oh, can I come to like that's the little sisters just following around? She does it's Doral that the dub the voices Dakota L fanning like, yeah, she'll sisters which I really liked and they did a great job as it was the performance was excellent. Like, you could show me that movie, and I don't think I'll live known. It was I guess the giveaway would have been for me, which is a little bit interesting. You kind of kind of just had to put it to the back of my mind, this is clearly Japan, and these clearly American accents where like I had to like just try and just forget that and as able to off to a couple of minutes, but like us it was a bit. Like, this is very. Japanese like what I'm seeing here. Right. Like even in a city, you know, like, but we're just forget about that. There. You know, I like to the little moments, right? Like, the first time that they come into contact with the suit gremlins is really funny to me, you know, like the goals trying to be brave and and like I enjoyed all of that stuff. Like the way that they were clearly troublemakers. Right. But we'll so scared many points, and I really enjoyed just how much trouble those sisters would calls like when they affectively nearly bring the whole house down in the beginning. Right with just pulling on that beam. Everything's starting to crumble around them. Like, I just was very funny that like the dad he seems to have his out for of the time. Yeah. But he's a cool, dad. Right. He's in. And they say they say this is the dad the house is haunted. He's like great. I've always wanted to live in a haunted house like Lord. And I both watching this. We're like he's a good. He's a very good dad like when they're all scared, and he starts laughing, right? Like like when they're. When they thing and he's just like sauce laughing at the top of his voice, like get rid of the month. Isn't the goes that way? It was really cool. I wanna ask you something. Because it seemed interesting to me, and I couldn't quite work it out if I if it was a different thing to most movies, or if I just wasn't seeing it so much there are like panning shots with landscapes. And it looked really different feels like a thing. I don't see in animated movies. I couldn't walk out. What it was? But it seemed like there was some interesting like camera moves going on that seemed to be refreshing in some way, or like is this something about that? I don't know about the camera moves I will say that me as Ocoee loves landscapes. He loves showing lush fully age. He loves clouds. I love the way water was shown is. Yeah. Yeah. There's that's thing where the little something pops up out of the water. And there you watch the ripples. And then it just kind of moves on. He loves that stuff. It's incredibly detailed. It's beautiful most I would say most films animated films. Do not lavish that much time and effort on the beauty of the surroundings. But something that that is very clear and all of me as his movies, but it's clear in this one is that he he does a lot of stuff about the environment and about people interacting with the environment and treating it badly and how we treat it better. There's a line in here about how this is. You know, there was a lot of these things before we started cutting down all the trees or something like that that happens. And and so you also he shows a lot of his imagery in his movies is kind of like look at this beautiful lush environment. This is rural Japan or this Japan as it used to be. And that's definitely a theme that he's trying to get his environmentalism. He puts it into the kind of beautiful scenery of the countryside. And it's just it is beautiful every I put on this movie. And the first thing I say. Look at those clouds. They're great. One thing that was striking to me was how much silence there isn't as movie if over eight different to a regular animated movie, not a lot of like of soundtrack, right? Does not a lot of music playing in the background scenes like sometimes it's just silence. No one's even talking. And I was I think that struck me a little bit. It's like that's that feels different to most animate movies that I would see like tension being built by silence that just being no music like this. You know, it's just like yours some peace, and it was like is very different to me as an I think I kind of liked that. A it didn't help my overall failing of credit about what was going to happen to the mum. Like, right. I was very very Novus about. The seemed inevitable death of the the moments family, one of the funny things about these mea sake movies is that we do bring our western anticipation of story structure onto the movie and something that I've learned about a about me as Ocoee movies is I keep looking. So when I was first watching I keep looking for a villain. I keep expecting a traditional linear plot. And I keep expecting things that are dramatic that happened in movies like the mom dying into act. Right. And and and they they don't like I said who's the villain in this literally the villain in this movie is the onus that the mother has. There are no people who are in Taganrog. It's in this film Kiki's delivery service, which hopefully will watch sometime the villain in that is the weather like, that's it the wind. The wind is the enemy in that movie. There is no traditional antagonised and. So. Yeah, you you kind of start expecting stuff that the movie doesn't just refuses to deliver. It's not that kind of movie. And I mean, they were it was pretty heavy, right? Like Tolkien about the mum dying. Right. Like, that's what happens when the comes and goes missing in the movie, they're like searching, a pond to see if she drowned. They find shoes her shoe, and she's like, no that's not her show. I noticed this time that we see her put on her shoes earlier. So we know that's not her shoe attention. If only if you're paying attention. I only did it the ten th time. I saw just like. Oh, yeah. Right. That's that's actually setting up there. Yep. I feel like we haven't even mentioned tour yet. So. Totoro does no sound the way expected Totoro to sound Totoro screams and shouts and growls and rules expecting that. Honestly, I was expecting to wrote to have a voice. Well, he doesn't he doesn't talk. Right. But he's he's a they make they just kinda make roars and and stuff. Yeah. I think I was expecting Totoro to be like as cute as to- chores appearances. Right. Like, the sounds that took the romaine scary sounds, no he he roars really loudly and everything shakes, right? He's adorable. But the big Totoro, there's a small medium and large Todorova course. But the big the big toe the see through Totoro, which I initially thought it was like a ghost. That was imagine. They I mean, they're like woods spirits. I think so so they can go through things, and they're not always there all of those things. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so I don't I don't have a feeling like a theory of this movie. Really like, the imaginary friend things seems obvious in some places. But then like there are I don't have onces full. Like, how does that ski get to may? How do they get the hospital? Right. Like, I don't have except for the horrifying cat bust. Not like that to not like the door on the cat bus. No. Thank you that. I didn't like that. Jason now upset me. I don't I don't love it. I love it. I the sound effect makes me laugh because it's like scifis effects like. Why is the Kevin making noise did not like the cat bus? Thank you. All right. That's fair. But no, I think we had this discussion on the incomparable people can listen to one hundred forty four hanging with the totes. It's a great episode. It's me and John Syracuse and Merlin man in my list. Because now I can listen to it knows episode. It's a great episode. And we. All of our MS occupies, a great. But that's a great one. And yeah, we talked about there. The fact is that. Yes, stuff happens in this movie. That is not explained any other way. Like may leaves. They leave the corn on the windowsill at the hospital at the end like they totally it is real. So there's not imaginary friend or that, you could think that, but they are like magical tree spirits, basically. Yes. So it's like, I don't have an aunt so right? Because if they would have just looked at the mum that would have been one thing. And if they would have just shown the cold on the window that would have been another. But it literally had a message from the goals on it. There's no there's no way around that of the fact that they were there like they would definitely there. Right. So I found that old very interesting like. I really liked this movie a lot. I liked it more when it was done. And when it was happening because nothing horrifying upsetting happened. Right. Like that was my concern. So like now having seen this and having you said it to me like if I think I will approach of me as movies differently, right? Not thinking that something like that whatever. And sometimes there is a villain. But it's because the structure or structures are just very different from what not necessarily expecting something, you know. And I think that that would make on future viewings, I will probably enjoy this movie even more because I've really like movies where there are no stake. Sometimes I like watching a like, no like upsetting high-stakes, right? Like an overall thing that must be overcome. I like watching nice movies where you just get to see like a slice of life like. Like. That's one of the reasons that I love this movie. And one of the reasons I love Kiki's delivery service, which has a little bit more of a plot. But really not really, and this this movie is completely I would say plot free. And it is all about these little experiences, and you can just sit there and enjoy it. And it's and look at the scenery. And I love it. I wanna give this movie a big hug. Yeah. I feel like it would hug you back in like, very warm all the way, it might also say. So much noise. Totoro makes so much noise that I I've really loved all of the characters I loved all of the characters in this grime ours. Also, like, she's super nice. I did find a bit Hauch. When like when the they get the Sando and that guys like grandma. Like, what did you say? Gosh, she's making them out. Now nothing again like she's overreacting. All right. All right. Like, she's worried. I just found that kind of funny. What's the name of the little boy? What is his name? I don't know. I'm going to find it now that he he's he's super funny. Sailor hat. Yeah. Grunts. County if I found him really fun, and he's he's like super shy around sods gay, but he's also very helpful linzers his umbrella and all of that, and like is really focused on trying to help find may right? Like, this is a great movie. Jason I'm really really happy on pledge elected. I really really liked to it makes me want to watch Kiki's delivery service. What we have to do that. We have to do that. That's that is that is great too. That is a very different looking movie. But I love that even more than this one. And this one is is is the TOTO they are adorable. I believe the origin is a troll. And you see that in the dub where it's like, oh, like the trolls in your story books, whatever. But it, but it says, you know, total row. But that's the idea is that it's just kind of like a little girl sort of angling troll. And that's so it's not. That's we call them Toda rose. But they're just these little furry adorable spirits that float around and cute, and yes, and that scene let's say that scene at the bus stop before the cat bus. I get the campus creepy, but before that where suddenly he's there next to them. And then they got the water is just very slowly dripping onto his nose from his little leaf hat, and then they give him the umbrella. And he doesn't really know how to use it. And then he realizes that the drops are dropping onto it making allowed noise, which he really likes the loud noise. And then he decides to jump and have all the water come out of the tree is a classic. I love that scene that also much. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's like the pot. Whereas well like some of the understanding of what's going on. So I was to change because it's like. You think it might be only maze imagination? But now ski sees it too. Yeah. And it's like that's where it's like. Oh, so what is any takes the umbrella with on the cat? So that's that. What what does that mean? Yes. Very very good. Very good. Love this movie. Jason thank you for recommending it. Have mall to watch now in the future. I wanna see more of these. Yeah, they're good. You've made professor Syracuse very happiest with. He's going to feel about the dumping. That's okay. In advance more advanced he's going to treat you like one of his children. He's going to be like, it's okay. Well, we'll start you out easy. But it's a it's a classic and Miyazaki's movies. Are are great. But my two favorite are totara and Kiki's delivery service. So they are just I I watched and I say I love I would love more movies like this that are just pleasant to be to to be around like just it's nice to go on the little journey and being that world for a little while and Japan held hosted a world's fair in two thousand five they actually built the house that's in this movie. Now, I had that thought while I was watching like wouldn't it be great to walk around that house, and they built that house for the world's fair. It's amazing. That's awesome. That's really cool. All right. Thank you. So much listening to this week's episode of upgrade hope that you have enjoyed it as much as we have enjoyed putting it together four. Oh, you I'm gonna put a link in the shouts to an article in Kentucky of the Totoro house. It looks like it's something. Yeah. It was built in two thousand five they built a full scale replica. And it looks amazing that looks super super cool. I think it's still something that you can maybe go and see I don't know. I have to read up on that that looks like this permeating love that. If you want to submit questions always send in hashtag smell talk for the opening of the show, hashtag OSs upgrade for the end of the show. Unlike to thank sponsors for this episode simple contacts. Luna display PDF from smile and Hulo for that support. Defa get to go to upgrade you'll wardrobe. Don't come you have just until the fourth of December to buy limited edition much dice. I'll be back in two weeks. Jason we'll be back with a very special guest next time until then Saco by Jesus now. Tall.

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Maccast 2019.05.21

The MacCast

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Maccast 2019.05.21

"Mckenna's Tuesday may twenty first two thousand nineteen. Mix. It's Tom your Makassar show for Mickey by Mickey. I'm Adam is the show route discuss all things MacIntosh. How you doing? Welcome back to the MAC cast hope you are having a great, awesome week, things are going well here at MAC, cast, H Q and in the world of apple and MacIntosh we have quite a few things to talk about looking through the show notes today. We have actually new max to talk about. Yes. New max came into play room. Talk a little bit about apple in cellular modems. Got some information about what went down with all common. Intel in all the others also going to talk about. I phone growth at guest appearance at apple park, some famous musician showed up and played a concert there. We kind of eluded to that last week. LG monitors what's going on with that, and apple monitors, another thing we talked about on the last episode of the cast also some Apple Pay expansion and what's going on with project? Eaten that will round out the news for this week. And then we've got some great other topics to get into them. Talk about managing storage on your MAC, and how to find all of the space that's being taken up. Help listener out with the question related to that got a couple of great tips. One about IRS and auto correction. Also, some apple watch tips, and then we'll round things out with a thing of the moment, we haven't done one of those in a while in this one's a little bit different not quite specifically MAC related. But something I've been using for while that I've really enjoyed and I want to share with you, and that will round out this episode of the Matt cast. So it should be a good one before we get into it, though. I do wanna take a quick moment, and thank a show sponsor and a longtime running sponsor here on the mat casts smile. 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They recently updated the editor got a brand new editor makes it easier to see an edit things like in fields dates math yet can do a bunch of Vance things with your snippets as well like automatically fill in a date or allow you to adjust the tax with a fill in field, and a whole bunch more. You can also insert. Words, phrases forms templates and even more with just a couple of clicks, wherever you are typing works in all of your applications on your MAC. And it really lets you take control of your time in productivity by handling all the those repetitive typing. Tasks, I love telling everybody about Texas Bander, but if you are a Texas banner owner, and you like doing that as well. You can also join their affiliate program, and you'll get a little bit extra when someone purchases text expand her for themselves best of all, here on the Matt Kass show listeners you get twenty percent off your first year of text expanders. Just visit text expand dot com slash podcast to learn more at a big. Thank you to smile for their continued support of the MAC cast, this was actually the last story to come out in the news this week. But it was the first one I wanted to cover because I think it's the most exciting story of the week apple has updated their macbook pros yet. There are new MAC book pros out there and best of all, they have once again, tweaked, I guess, best of all, is that maybe has not to say they've tweaked, the butterfly keyboard designed again, we got a fourth generation butterfly keyboard design. I guess in some ways, it kind of proves that apple has had some issues with that keyboard. We've been talking about that a lot here on the mat cast, but good news. If you're buying a new MAC book, pro it means maybe those issues with stuck or unresponsive keys. Those are a thing of the past, let's hope in as much as we're hoping. I bet you apple is hoping even more that they've kind of licked this problem but continue to improve it. And I guess that's a good sign. The new updates our spec. Bumps specifically to the machines using the latest eighth and ninth generation core processors from from Intel the fifteen inch model has new is seven and I nine six core. Eight core options and the thirteen inch model gets up. Updates with new, I five and I seven processors. The displays ports storage options as well as the base pricing on the models, does appear to have remained the same. So no big changes there again, bigger changes in that keyboard design, and as far as what apple did they're not giving a lot of details, but they did say that they changed the material in the butterfly mechanism and that, that should substantially reduce problems that some users have seen. Don't talk about what materials of changed, although I have a feeling our friends over at I fix. It will probably give us a little insight into what happened with the design might have to wait a couple of days for that to happen, but expected to happen soon, and we'll talk about what that is on a future episode of the MAC cast, along with the announcements of the new books. They did extend an add a couple of service. Programs. They extended the keyboard service program to cover the twenty eight teen third generation models of those apple keyboards, the ones in the MAC book, pro and MAC book air from twenty eighteen those weren't part at repair program previously, but they are now. So if you have one of those models, and you're experiencing some of those unresponsive stuck key problems, apple is going to take care of you. They also claim that they have shortened repair times, which were taking up to about a week. So I'm assuming that means a couple days now, maybe even quicker than that, we had heard that they were starting to do some of those repairs in store in that should help speed up some of the times, along with those repair programs. They're also reportedly replacing the third generation membrane keyboards of you do have one of those twenty t models with new keyboard, the new designed one that is in the new model. Unfortunately, I think, because of designed differences, they won't be. To replace first or second generation ones with these new fourth-generation design. So that's something that is exclusive for the third generation models. And finally keyboards are now covered up to four years after the original date of purchase in that would be again, for the first generation second generation or third generation butterfly keyboard designs. So if you do run into problems further down, you know, if you years from now apple is going to continue to take care of you. And then finally, one other service program that they did announce backlight service program to address the flex cable issues that were affecting what apple calls a very small percentage of twenty sixteen thirteen inch macbook pro owners. So if you have eight twenty sixteen thirteen inch macbook pro sold between October twenty sixteen and February twenty teen and are experiencing problems. With the display. I think specifically it's the what they call the stage lighting affect along the bottom where you kind of get hot spots along the bottom of the screen, apple will address that with these with this backlight service program, so you can take your machine into apple genius bar, or you can contact apple for service, if you've run into that, and that's kind of the latest on the MAC book pros. The other thing we've been talking about a lot recently is apple in cellular modem, specifically that were for a long time, concerns about how apple was going to get five G modems in future phones, of course, Intel was struggling to provide those for apple and ultimately apple ended up settling with Qualcomm, which was something that was a little bit surprising and not long after that Intel announced they were shuttering their cellular modem business. And so it all happen pretty quickly. We didn't have a lot of details on what went on. Well, the site, the information dug into things and gave us a lot more detail and information about how apple struggled with Intel as cellular modem provider turned out that, you know, apple turned to Intel when they had that falling out with Qualcomm over licensing fees, and they were relying on Intel to kind of deliver the goods and it really didn't work out, too. Well the switch to Intel ended up. Being rocky at best as Intel struggled to deliver what apple needed and often missed deadline so they started having travel troubles all the way back in twenty seventeen. We'd been hearing about it most recently with the iphone ten s series. But apparently the issue started long before that basically, until seigler modem business was kind of a mess, and that is what forced apple to have to settle with Qualcomm and that deal, as you remember, we talked about, on the mat cast as well did not go very well for apple really Qualcomm had the upper hand in this situation in apple just was left without any cards to play. And so they've gone back, we did know that apple was trying to build up its own team internally to develop a cellular modem those efforts continue. And they reportedly have thousands of people working on that project, originally, a lot of the rumors thought that apple might have their own designs. Ready for a device as early as twenty twenty one maybe by twenty twenty two while this report from the information also says that right now apple is, as they're conducting interviews for perspective engineers for this modem team. They're telling those engineers, they don't plan on having their own chips. Ready Intel about twenty twenty five so that timelines a little bit different. It's unclear why that may have changed apple may have been ready and it may be part of the deal with, Motorola, now or excuse me, Qualcomm, that they can't enter the cellular modem business. And so, maybe that's the reason for the delay, or maybe they just weren't quite ready to have something on the market by twenty twenty one. We really don't know. But again, some interesting details coming out in this report. We have known for awhile now that I phone sales are slowing and unfortunately, we continued to get additional evidence to back that up this week consumer intelligence research partners has new data on iphone growth for the first quarter of twenty nineteen. And it shows that the installed base of US, I phone owners grew about two percent over the last quarter from one hundred eighty nine million to one hundred ninety three million. That's about a twelve percent increase year over year. And while that sounds okay. It actually turns out to be growing at about half the rate that it wasn't last year. So definitely slowing down apple looking at its business and trying to decide what's next as we know from some of the recent announcements, so course they're going to be focusing a lot on their services. And then we have all these rumors about what may be the next. Big thing is such. Something augmented reality virtual reality related possibly glasses or some sort of augmented reality display. We also know about their rumored car efforts, and we'll have some more information on that later in the podcast, but definitely more evidence that I phone sales continue to just slow down. You may remember that the last week, I told you apple was constructing a interesting stage at the center of the apple park, campus, basically, a rainbow in the original apple logo colors that turned out to be a stage for an upcoming event and that event did happen this week, apple held a party to commemorate the formal opening of the apple park campus and that custom apple stage with the original apple rainbow logo design played a major role. I was almost going to say, I kid you not it was center stage at the event. It's terrible. I didn't mean to do that anyway. It was there and the performer to perform on that stage was none other than late lady Gaga. She performed for fifteen thousand apple. Employee's celebrating the campus opening, and also as a tribute to Steve Jobs, during the concert, lady Gaga asked apple to create a be kind emoji. She also held a moment of silence for Steve, and then dedicated a performance of the song million reasons to jobs. And finally, she also thanked Zane Lowe for his support on apple music. Of course, the concert was well, documented number of apple employees, including Tim cook himself posted. Posted images and comments on social media, Instagram, Twitter, all those sorts of things. So you can check out those there. There was actually a full video of the concert, I think, up on YouTube at one point. And what was interesting was, it was actually retreated? We re tweeted, excuse me by lady Gaga herself. But when I went to actually watch that online, it was already pulled down for copyright issues from YouTube, so I'm not really sure what's going on there. I don't know if a copy of the video is out in available, but I would imagine you scour the internet enough, you probably can't find a video of that concert, if I come across one, I will try to share a link to that any future episodes cast. But I'd like to see that. I think it looks like it was a fun concert, just from the clips that I saw, and I think a great way to celebrate the opening of apple park. I guess we have a lot of follow up in this week's MAC, cast actually. Last week, we discussed the LG ultra-fine four k and five k displays that were slowly disappearing, I guess, not just slowly they'd been over the years disappearing from Apple's retail stores and their online stores. Most recently, they stopped selling the five K displays online, and they were theories that apple had been clearing. Those monitors out for the pending future launch of their own pro six K display that we've been hearing about and talking about here on the mat cast. Well, now thanks to tidbits it looks like maybe they were just clearing out to make room for another version or an updated version of the LG, ultra-fine display. Apparently, now some apple retail stores are carrying a new seven hundred dollar US twenty three point seven inch ultra-fine LG display. Looks like it's one that replaces the four K display it comes in at a resolution of thirty eight forty by twenty one. Sixty which is actually a little bit less than the twenty one and a half inch alter find four K display replaced, which had a resolution of four thousand ninety six twenty three oh four, but it still is in line with the old tra- HD resolution for K displays that are on the market. So it qualifies as a four K, display, even if the resolution is a little bit less and just like the previous model it also has to thunderbolt three ports on it, along with three regular USB port. So it does have pass through thunderbolt, which is great news. And it sounds like a really great monitor definitely a replacement for that twenty one and a half inch at the same price. So you get a little bit more display. You're not paying any more than you were previously. If you were interested in the L, G, O, tra-, find displays, of course, apple does have that six K display on the market probably gonna come in at a much higher price point though. We don't know when that is going to happen. Although we are expecting a possible announcement. And maybe apple showing that off at worldwide developer conference in June. But we're just gonna have to wait for that. But for now you can apparently go in and purchase this new twenty three point seven inch Oltra fine. L G display. Apple continues to expand Apple Pay into more countries. I believe last week, we told you about the expansion into Iceland. Now this week, they have launched in Hungary and Luxembourg with support for credit cards and debit cards from MasterCard, be set and support from some regional banks. Apple Pay in Hungary supports MasterCard via OT P Bank. And in Luxembourg, you can use MasterCard credit and debit cards, along with visa and Visa's v pay cards from BG, LB, MP, paro, boss. So if you're in those regions Apple Pay is available at love to hear any feedback from how the rollout is going in these various countries. We don't get a lot of international feedback here on the mat cast. But I know there are many of you out there. So if you want to write in, or Email in an audio comment or something, let us know how Apple Pay roll outs are going internationally. That would be awesome. As for who is next. I n g has already teased support for future app for a future Apple Pay launch in the Netherlands. So that launch is very likely going to be the next one. You'll hear about here on the MAC cast. Finally, in the news for this week project, titan lives titan lives, a financial analyst at Roth capital partners claims that apple is building, quote, multiple, very large, Dr rooms in California, not entirely sure. What a drive room is I need to do some research on that, if you work in the industry and know what that is. If you could let us know shoot me an Email, or audio comment, to MAC, cast gmaiLcom. The analysts says apple is building the rooms to actually work on better better battery technology for their continued efforts on a car project, so something related to batteries. But they didn't really get into specifics. He also specifically said that quote project titan is absolutely not dead. And for the who may not remember, again, apple project, titan is Apple's rumored autonomous electric vehicle car project. We never got a clearance on, whether it was electric vehicle. Or autonomous, I'm imagining that it's likely both. He also said that back in two thousand thirteen apple actually made a serious bid to buy tesla. It's unclear how far those efforts actually went, but apparently apple was looking to pony up some very serious, cash paying stock price, even higher than Tesla's current stock price is today they were willing to do that. Whether or not tesla was even interested in Apple's advances. That's really unclear I think at the time alone musket sort of an asked about it and basically said, no, there's no way they would sell to apple. So maybe that just never really went anywhere. But apparently apple was mulling it over, and we do know around that time that Tim cook, and some of the other apple executives did have meetings with tesla, so something was possibly going on. But of course, nothing ever came of it as far as where Apple's current autonomous vehicle car pro. Efforts are now they seem to be investing and spending money in it. They've been hiring engineers. They continue to work on it, as far as the publicly facing things that we actually do know about an have seen. We do know that apple has used some Lexus, SUV models here in California, as kind of a test bed for some of their Atanas vehicle systems, Tim cook as come out publicly and said that apple is working on Thomas systems, but beyond that, that's about all we have actually seen, or can really confirm. They're also have been rumors of something called the Palo Alto to infinite loop project or the pale project that is supposedly a ton of vehicle shuttle system that apple would develop for apple employee's something again, that they would use to test internally there, Thomas vehicle systems, so that's where the products at. Of course, it could be one of Apple's next big things for my part, I'm going to still stay. Sitting out here on my limb and say that I think apple is seriously considering developing a vehicle as a service project. So a whole system where they would have a fleet of a ton of vehicles in all kinds of locations that you could subscribe to and basically have an on demand, car service, provided to you, so you wouldn't have to purchase a vehicle, you wouldn't have to get insurance or you would not have to pay vehicle maintenance, or any of those sorts of things I would all be covered in your vehicle as a service program, and I know I get a lot of feedback from people on this who say, there's no way that people, especially in California are going to give up their vehicles. I see this more as a supplemental service. So a lot of folks have two maybe three cars, this would allow them to reduce the number of eagles of actually own by one. And of course, some people would just rely on it completely as a service. But I. To see that as the future that more and more people are going to use services like that. If you talked to a lot of younger people right now, you'll find a lot of them are already using car services like Uber or lift as their only mode of transportation. So that's becoming more and more common, I think the next logical step beyond that is you just have a Thomas vehicles that are at your Beck and call. And I think that is something that apple might be considering again, we don't really know what direction they're moving in. But they're obviously looking at a number of different options and developing technologies and services that will go in and around that kind of service. So it should be interesting to see, I think we're years off from getting any of that. But with that, that is going to do it for the news for this week before we move on. I do wanna take moment, and think another couple of show sponsors, starting with experienced boost. Hey, you know, the better your credit score the easier, it is to get the stuff you want or. 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We hear these days because in the age of SST's, a lot of us have actually downgraded, our storage. You know, we used to have one to four terabytes of data and now we're down to maybe two hundred and fifty six or five hundred twelve gigabytes or something like that and storage is precious. And so you're looking through your stuff and you're going, wow. I only have, you know, twenty gigabytes free where am I going to stick on things? And that's kind of what Phil ran into. He was looking at storage. Doing some analysis with some tools in said I don't know where my storage went. He has a twenty thirteen thirteen inch retina MAC book pro I think. It was and he's got a two hundred and fifty gigabyte ST about forty gigabytes of that free. And so he thought I'm gonna run on me. Discs weeper on it and see where that storage went in it ended up making things even more confusing for Phil. I'm sorry about that Phil because after he ran the tool it only accounted for about one hundred thirty six gigabytes of his stuff, but he obviously had a lot more than that on his drive. And so he asked me the question where did all go, and before you right in to tell me, hey, time, machine, local snapshots something we've talked about here on the mat cast in the past Phil already disabled time. She local snapshots and removed them for those of you who don't remember what time machine local snapshots are if you use time machine especially if he used time machine with a mobile MAC, anytime you're disconnected from your time machine drive you're out and about or if you're using time machine over the network anytime you're away. I'm your home network when time she needs to run, what it will do is it will, if there is available storage. It will use a portion of the internal drive on your MAC to actually perform those time machine backups. And then when you get back to your home, network, it, sinks those things up with your actual time machine volume. So it's kind of this temporary interim place where when you're out and about and not physically connected, your time, machine drive, your MAC, can actually still perform sometime sheen backups and, and keep some history. And so often, you know, that'll be the thing that's taking up a lot of space. The thing is, that's what apple calls perjurdal space. So if you did need to get more stuff onto your MAC that wouldn't restrict you from having access to that available storage. But when you're looking through various tools and stuff like that it shows up as unavailable space can often be very confusing, but that wasn't what was happening in. In fills case, I actually found a post over on the MAC observer where Dave Hamilton noticed some mixed results with the tool. Omni discs, sweeper all have linked that in the show, it's Matt Kass dot com. But basically, the problem is in the age of Sam, boxing, and the new permissions that are in MAC, OS, a lot of applications in tools like this don't necessarily have the permissions to be able to access all of the portions of the of your hard drive that they would need to perform their kind of analysis. And I, I guess, on the disc's weeper is struggling with this a little bit. So it doesn't see all the files in MAC OS and for some of the ones that can't get to it. Just simply ignores them. It doesn't report on them. It also seems like some of the data that, that it excludes are things like your mail data, which can be huge if you have large Email accounts, and you save a lot of Email. So like. Fill the problem is that by running Omni disc leaper you're actually just not seeing all of the files that are on your system. So one bit of advice would be to try another tool, actually my favorite tool for looking at disk usage is daisy disk. I think it's absolutely awesome. I love the visual display that gives you and the ability to drill in and look at different portions of your hard drive different categories of data and see what's taking up that data it actually has the ability to add full disc full disk access permission to. Allow it to actually go in and see some of those hidden files, the files and data that normally you can't do. So when you run daisy disc, you'll see a big portion that it calls hidden space, the first time you do the analysis. But if you go into the hin space, it gives you a link that says, hey allow daisy discs to have full disk access from system, preferences security and privacy, and I'll be able to actually go in and analyze and tell you what's in that hidden space. So I think that hidden spaces where you're not seeing a lot of things Phil. So try daisy disk, and I think that'll help you out, also another great tool is clean, my MAC. They have a great large and old files tool that allows you to go in and see which things are taking up a lot of disk space, and decide if you want to clean those things up. So those are tool to two tools that you can look into, but one thing I wanted to recover here on the mat cast. Because it's been awhile since we talked about it is some of the great information in tools that are built right into your MAC. You don't even need a third party utility possibly to kind of analyze the storage on your MAC. If you go into your apple menu choose about this about my MAC, and then go to the storage tab of the about my MAC, window give it a second to kind of build up. It's a little graph and you can hover over the different sections to kind of get a rough idea of what kinds of files are taking up space on your MAC. So like when I do mine, here on my MAC, I can see that. A big portion of my storage is used up by photos. And that's not surprising Ammunike cloud photo library. But this MAC is set up to be kind of my master repository of my photo library. So that is by far the biggest portion of my storage, but I can also see how much is being used by documents how much is being used up. Files which would be like my backups, and that is actually a significant portion. I can even see things like my parallels volumes. You know, my, my whereabouts and virtual volumes and see how much stores those are using or I cloud drive or how much the system is using and that gives you kind of a quick overview, but also in the same window you have a little manage button. If you click on the managed button that gives you some additional tools in additional information to see specifically what kinds of categories of data are, you know, being used up on your hard drive, and you can kind of drill through those so you can look at, you know, how many applications do I have installed in how much towards those apps using or my books files or I can look at my items files or my mail. How much is male using up and my case nine gigabytes, because I rely a lot on emails. You might imagine we get a lot of emails here at the net cast. So that's taking a lot of storage. So you can drill in the look at that. And best of all, inside that view. They give you some additional sorting options on not only can you go sort of. By category. But within those categories you can look at the size, of course, in sort by size to see which are the bigger files, but you also then look at the last accessed date. So if you're looking at your applications, you can see, oh, this application using a couple of gigabytes of storage, but I haven't actually launched or use that application in three years won't, maybe that's an app that you might consider just uninstall. Maybe you just don't need that application. Any more same thing for your documents. If you've got large documents or large files, maybe a video file, maybe it's something you could actually archive, two different location. Get it off your internal drive, especially if it's something that you're not accessing frequently. So it provides all of this kind of information, it also gives you some tools to actually delete files, I tend to avoid that delete button inside this view just because I'm not entire. Fairly certain where that file is in my system now, actually, at the bottom, it does show you a path. So you actually can look. But I think it's easier to look in the finder. So what I like to do is if I find a large file or a file, I think I can either archive or delete or move, usually select that in this interface and then click b show in finder button. Then I can go directly finder. I can kind of analyze it look at it there and just for me that makes me a little bit more comfortable this tool also has a downloads button. So it'll show you items downloads folder when you're in the documents view and also a full file browser that looks a little bit more like the finer itself, and you can kind of drill down and see different folder sizes, different volume sizes, and, and file sizes and stuff like that. So I think it's kind of a handy tool. It's not the best tool out there. You know, some of the third party tools provide a little bit more functionality. But as a basic tool just to kind of figure out. Hey. What's taking up all my space. This is a good one. And it's a matter of fact, I think a great tab in this view is the Iowa's files tab. This is something that a lot of people don't think about. So if you've been using your MAC with various devices me, several versions, or generations of items that you've had or pads anytime you connect to your MAC. Your I tunes pulls a backup of that device? You might have a lot of IRS backups for old devices that maybe you don't even own anymore in those could be taking up a lot of storage on your system. And if you look at the Iowa's files section, you'll actually see that it will show you those backups and you can kind of manage them from there, also mail is another big culprit, especially old attachments and. This manage storage system information area does give you some options for dealing with mail attachments as well. So Phil, I would give this tool try see if that doesn't provide a little bit more detail about what's going on your on your MAC. And what's taking up all the storage and help you manage it a little bit. If that's not enough. I would seriously consider, and look at picking up a copy of daisy disc. So I hope this information helps you out and thanks for sending in your Email. Another thing I saw this week was a great tip about hardware keyboards on IRS devices. This was actually posted by Andrew or over at the MAC observer MAC, observer I will have linked to his article in the show notes at McKesson dot com. And he actually found this tip on OS ten daily, which is a great tips website. I will have a link to this article at OS ten daily as well in the show notes, cast dot com and just in general OS. Ten daily dot com is a great website to check out for general MAC tips and stuff like that. So check that out. But in this case, if you've ever used a hardware keyboard, with your ipad, you know, that one of the challenges can often be autocorrect autocorrect can sometimes be, let's just say overly aggressive about correcting things, and sometimes it doesn't always correct stuff in the way that you. You want. Did you know there's actually a separate setting for hardware, keyboards when they're connected for controlling things like auto correction? Yeah, I didn't know this either until I saw Andrews article as a matter of fact with hardwork keyboard connected to your ipad, you could open up the settings and go into general and then go into keyboards and you should see if the keyboard is connected a hardware keyboards section. If you tap on that you can go in, in just the toggle for auto correction and set that too often that will disable auto correction for this ipad or the ipad that you're connected to when a hardware. Keyboard is attached is a separate setting for the hardware. Keyboard versus the software. Keyboard that is on the device optionally. There's some other hardware specific keyboard settings that you can go in and adjust here as well. Let you go in and discover those for yourself. So play around with, that, of course exit the settings and then you. Will have the new options for your hardware? Keyboard. And I thought that was pretty cool. Nice little tip. Little quick tip for you here on the mat cast. Want to give you a couple of tips this time for your apple watch in this time coming from an article over at MacWorld now. They did a bunch of these. I kinda picked out some of my favorites, more specifically some of the ones that I didn't know already. There's about twelve tips over at MacWorld. I'll have a link to the article in the show. It's MAC esta com- if you wanna check out some of these others, but a few of my favorites, and ones that I didn't really know about or didn't remember are things like did, you know, you don't have to deal with that tiny little bubble apt grid for launching apps on your apple watch. They're actually is a nother view. There is a list view that you can get to. So if you go into that little apt grid by tapping these the digital crown on your apple watch to pull up your app grid and force touch on that grid. You will get the option to switch between the grid view and the list view. And you might find that the list view is a little bit hand. Windier for figuring out what an app is because it actually has the name of the hap in list with the little bubble grid. You have to kind of go off the icon, and sometimes it's hard to figure out what those little icons are. So this is a nice alternative. And that's how you access that another feature that you probably know about is, if you want to meet, or disable, your apple watch screen, you can actually just put your hand over the top of it cover it up. And that will instantly mute the apple watch. So if you're getting a call or something's happening, and you just wanna silence it just put your hand over it. Did you know you can actually disable that feature? If you don't like that. Yeah. You could actually disable the cover to mute option go into the watch app on your iphone for this. When you got go through the watch app on your device and go into sound and hap, deke's under the my watch tab, and you'll see a toggle for the cover to mute. Option. So you can disable that or enable that at your will this next. One is pretty cool. I often actually answer calls on my apple watch actually, this is a pair of tips that might be handy. Did you know you can actually send a call straight to voicemail from your apple watch? So if you have an incoming call just double tap, the side button, not the digital crown, but the actual side button, and that will instantly send that call straight to voicemail, you can also answer that call on your iphone, not just the apple watch. So I often will answer it on my apple watch, and then transfer it to my iphone. If you have your iphone nearby in handy, but maybe can't grab it immediately. And to just send it from your apple watch to the iphone instead of hitting the hang up or answer button on the watch itself, simply swipe up on your apple watch as you're receiving that call. And then you have an option to tap the answer on iphone button and you can hit that, and it will send the call over to your iphone, you can pick it up from there. Another handy little tip. There's also the fast apps Witcher tip. So if you want to quickly switch between the current app in the apple watch face if you just double tap the digital crown, you can talk between that you can also toggle between a couple of apps of though. I'm not entirely sure. How you get to apps open at the same time. But if you do you can just double tap on the digital crown to switch between those in my case every time I tried this tip. It just went between the open app, and the digital crown or the, the digital crown. The main apple watch face itself, and that worked great. And then another great tip is finding your iphone so rather than using find my iphone or getting a friend to us. Find my iphone for you or another one that we often do in my house is having someone else in your household. Hold call your phone, if you have an apple watch it does have a ping feature. So if you simply swipe up on the control center, there's a little iphone ping button. It looks like a little, I phone with sound lines coming out of it. If you tap that it will ping, your iphone, and I actually knew this tip. It's something that I use quite frequently, but I forget to use very often as well, a lot of times, I'll ask my wife to call my phone, then remember? Oh, I could have just picked it from apple watch. So I'll forget about this feature. So this just serves as good reminder, but even cooler is a tip in here that I didn't know about related to this feature and that is that rather than. Just tapping that ping iphone. But if you actually tap and hold on that button. Not only will it ping your phone, but it will also flash. The LED on your phone. So if you're trying to find your phone in the dark, this can be really handy way to do it. So I didn't know that was a feature and I thought that was pretty cool. So there you have it a couple really cool iphone or apple watch tips, rather, from MacWorld. And again, I'll have linked to the flow article in the show notes at MAC, cast dot com. Last thing that I have for you. Today is a thing of the moment, an apple product or apple related product that I am enjoying using having a good time with this can also sometimes be software thing, or maybe you've inches the software tip something that I'm into that is apple or related. Well this time around. It is not something, particularly new, but something that I realized, as I was getting ready to do the podcast, today, I hadn't told you about in something that I am really truly enjoying because it brings comfort specifically to my ears and I'm talking about something related to my podcast headphones. So I have a set of headphones over the year ones that I use for recording the podcast, they are studio headphones from audio Technica, specifically, the H M forty x model act absolutely love, these studio monitor headphones. They're great of had them for years. They are reasonably priced for studio monitoring headphones at. Around one hundred bucks. So they're not cheap, but they are great headphones but those are not my pick, although they would be a good pick. And I probably have picked them in the MAC cast in the past. I'm I probably made them thing of the moment. If not just consider this, double bonus. They are great headphones if you're looking for something like that, but I've been using these headphones for so long or had been using them for so long that literally, the year pads were disintegrating, I started to find these little black flecks of something in my hair, and it turned out to be the coating from the pads that were on my headphone. So every time they were record the podcast. I'd have this like black dandruff. It was pretty disgusting. And I couldn't figure it out for a long time. And then I realized, oh, these things are like literally falling apart. And I didn't wanna buy a whole new set of headphones because that's kind of expensive at one hundred bucks. And really, it was just the ear pads. So I. Searching for some new ones. And I found ones from a company called wicked cushions at wicked cushions dot com actually found them on Amazon. They were not inexpensive about twenty bucks. But the thing is, is there really high quality and they are so comfortable. They are a memory foam covered in a soft leather material. And they are a lot thicker than the original year pads or your cups. I know if you call it call them, pads or cups or whatever, but they were super easy to install. I took the old ones off. I put the new ones on, and I have loved them ever since and I thought, now that I have them I should have replaced the stock pads years ago because they were kind of thin. They were fine. But these are soft and supple. And completely comfortable and just amazing. And I realized I hadn't shared that with you here on the mat cast, so it's called wicked cushions wicked cushions dot com, and they don't just have them for the audio Technica headphones. They also offer them for other headphone models, as well. Beats Bose Sony the Moda they have a bunch of different options. So if you have another brand of over the year headphones, and you're looking for some your Cup ear pad replacements, I would highly recommend these again. You can find him. Also on Amazon, I'm sure they're available other places as well. So that's my pick of the moment. Wicked cushions. And with that, hey, that's gonna do it for this episode of the MAC cast before I leave, you I do want to thank my show sponsor, smile makers of Texas, banner PDF pen disc, label, also Texas banner for iphone and ipad, along with pedia pen for us and PDF pens scam. Plus, you can get more information and details on all of smiles, great applications by visiting smile, software dot com slash podcast. Bandwidth for the MAC cast is provided by cachefly. You can find them at CA. C H, E, F, L, Y dot com and all advertising on the mat cast is handled by backbeat media. You'll find them at backbeat media dot com. As always love hearing from you a comment questions, something you elect, you're covered on the future episode of the, Matt cast, you can send your eagles and audio comments to MAC cast a g mail dot com. You're also welcome to call 'em on in on the listener hotline. Excuse me, that phone number two eight one six two two four two six nine two eight one MAC, I am nine. 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321: It's the Hope That Kills You

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321: It's the Hope That Kills You

"Relay FM. This is upgrade. Three hundred twenty one today show is brought to you by not mistry Bomba's a mail route. My name is Mike Harley and I'm joined by Mr Jason Snow. Hi Jason Snow. Early. Big Episode. Today we joe. Yeah. Basically. Finished watching. The Apple October of end, the IPHONE homeport mini event ended about an hour ago. We are going to do our level best to break it down for you, but we will start this episode. The same way that we saw every episode of upgrade which and we ask you a question and this one has come from Jason I would like to know having watched the apple event today would you stand on the roof of Apple Park? I mean are you offering Yeah. If I could make that happen for you I I would be I I've never been anywhere at Apple Park other than the theater So I'd love to be at Apple Park in general and what I see on the roof shot. It looks beautiful up there. Amid the solar panels. I stand there and I could explain why that thing you want is bad for the environment in the earth and you should feel bad for wanting it. I cannot believe that Lisa Jackson stood a what it looked like I. Mean I'm sure it wasn't, but it looked like she was completely unsupported or secure. You know how big Apple Park is she was nowhere near falling anywhere. It's like slanted was a big Gus to win two. One of those drones came. It's fine. Perfectly say it's Just grab onto one of those solar panels. Is. I wouldn't do it. I. Am a person who has a fear of heights and that would that would do me and I could not handle it. I would absolutely absolutely do it. So of course, we're going to be talking about everything that apple announced today. But before every episode when there is going to be event discussion, we have a draft. Jason. A myself make our predictions we turn into a game. Jason Always Winds Jason's one again. I can't I can't handle this anymore Jason I I said to you earlier I don't know why I get. So excited for the drafts considering I just keep losing them. Well, you win one every now and then it gives you hope here disarming and what did Ted Lasso teach us about them. The kills you know. As is usual. Well, actually the way that these draw tend to go. Is that one of us doubles down on something and that thing doesn't happen. So for me, this time is doubled down on Apple TV. So I had to apple TV related picks neither of them happened that raise what what did men if Apple TV would have been shown off? It could have been closer or it could have been a tie. But we scored a nine seventy you. Include in the show notes to scorecard. If you want peruse the picture yourself, we got all of the iphone picks right because we all you know we knew what we were picking and all those things happened, and so it ends up coming down to other things that are going to be in the event we had fi- picks up those and I you know I, mention the home pod. So I got two points off of that you picked the jobs would appear and he did an fourteen boasts segment down in the chip last absolutely happened we got that again. I I had a details of a not yet seen featuring IOS. They're actually too because there's the apple pro raw as well as the the little walkie talkie esque. Combo. The will like there's a lot of new features in the camera, right? So was there was new video recording modes as new enhancements to portrait and stuff I, think I said last time that. If it was just a new. York thing in the photo APP, it wouldn't count but there were two other features including one that they released a calmest is the is the thing that since it I think we could still discuss pro roll like a little bit. But if it was going to be the decider I would have said he literally stands onstage or in the video and says, this is a new feature. I think I would call that a new feature since they said, it was a new feature but yeah, it doesn't matter and then the last one my big gamble that totally paid off is Mac not mentioned. Yeah is Apple Apple Company that makes a computer callback. They would talk showing them which was silver gnawing to me. In the land where you've never seen Moore Mac pros and a presentation, we saw more MAC pros in this presentation. Then we saw when they introduced the Mac pro there will purrs lifted all over the place rolling around inside of Apple Park and bouncing tables just get stuck. The was this could have gone one or two ways right? Like if they didn't do the Home Paul did the TV I would one because you had to home Paul picks I had TV picks initials away ended one made me laugh the most though is that I had that that was the emmy awards are mentioned. The the Academy Awards were mentioned. They I miss that yes. Because they have that short film from the Oscar the. Winning cinematographer he hasn't won Emmy, but he won an Oscar. And that made me laugh. It's like who wrong award show run war Joe but. And for the record, the tiebreaker which we need was set at eighty minutes and it was about sixty eight minutes. So I'm feeling like the next time we do this tiebreaker that over under is going to be down, oh? Yeah. Because it's going to be down at six minutes or seventy doesn't. It's not running longer than the IPHONE. Now I feel like we've we've discovered apple secret plan for when they do three events in with do monthly video product release events, which is our shoot for an hour. Yeah. So I'm frustrated to have lost again because now I can't even tie the year. But I will say compared to previous drafts. More happy with my My overall six in this draft, and it just ended up being really like I feel like the Craig Federico One was a stupid one to pick. But it was just unfortunate really to me I. Don't know if you felt this way but I was pretty convinced that they would have an apple TV at this event. Or. Especially show even I should say show off some content but I, think they ended up kind of. Pushing down because they've pushed it down the line a bit that renewal to February maybe that's why they're not doing nothing here. Now I think that's it. All right we should get into it. We should start actually by talking about the brand new home pod mini which I don't know about you. Jason. But I actually think was the most surprising of all of the features and all the things shown off today. 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Ut Dot net that is mail route dot net slash upgrade to stop protecting your business today mail route making email better. Thanks to mayor out for this pool of this show and rely FM the protecting you from bad actors like I duNNo. Nicholas Cage. I, Love Nicholas Cage yeah he has a good actor in bed movies act. It's different. They're not protecting you from Nicholas Cage. So, Jason Let's talk about the home pod mini presented by friend of the show bushes I was very excited to see. come out in the stage say, Hey, Bob I spread but he's been shrunken down into a little tiny man who lives in a dollhouse yet that was that was an interesting looking set but it's small dollhouse and for the small homepod. So straight up we should just talk about the price ninety, nine dollars for the home pop mini. So humbled is much smaller homepage just a little ORB finally, enough very similar to the new design of the Amazon Echo, which is also circular. I love when this stuff happens you know like thus cylinders now the will balls and that's where we we're at this point we're candles. One of those candles you light to like drive mosquitos away or something exactly or like a little coca looks a little coconut. Coconut mini. I think that it is clear at this point that price point when we all draft pick was under two hundred because we thought maybe one, nine nine why was? Ninety nine as the price that's I was surprised now as a had some people point out to me. Is Forty nine dollars. So I like apple still offering this at a premium price, but for apple and the P- the home pod. They they've come a long way is what I'm saying go to ninety nine dollars. Connected Home Product is pretty pretty big for them. Look he's Prime Day today you can get an echo dot for thirty dollars right Lakefront but this is today by the way. I'm day one and everyone out there listening happy Prime Day. But I think the point here that we're making is they are selling this product at a much better price point than we would expect half of what you'd expect, which does mean that they're at least attempting to be competitive in the way that apple does this wasn't the homeport. The original home pod was always significantly overpriced right compared to what it was going up against and I think it could be fed to say that you know th and also the echo dots you can get for like twenty dollars old ones. And Amazon have new ones coming. And yes, they will be cheaper than the homepage but again, this is apple right? Is this what the home pod should have always been should the original homepod ever should've existed? Yeah I mean, this is I. Think this is one of the questions. This is apple. Learning a lesson like the the existence of this product is apple learning a lesson from what happened with the relative failure of the home pod which I think. We've all known for a while now with kind of over engineered and really overpriced. So they are they seem to have learned a lesson. Which I think is interesting that they've done that. I'm also interested by the way that this is the homepage. and. The homepod appears to continue to exist, and that makes me wonder if perhaps there is still going to be. A home pod. Like. Are they going to take another crack at that of like a higher or is this going to be you know product range whereas in the end going to be the only one that's out there I'm curious what what they are thinking about this and where they go from here. I mean I imagine? Now, having the opportunity to actually push the home part. Higher you know like they can push it further at the price points they could keep it like Tunein or whatever it is and give it more right so like they would keep that price point separated I mean the thing that I'm going to be intrigued about and the thing that I'm looking forward to testing is. What are we talking about in the sense of how loud this thing gets? How good it sounds it surely is going to sound great. It surely isn't going to sound as good as the original would be my expectation Oh. Yeah. It's not gonna it's not going to, of course, it's not they. They engineered the original home pod to be this kind of like the ipod Hi fi actually a little bit. They kind of engineered it to be this amazing sounding thing for a high price and it bit them, and so the real question with a home pod mini as. Exactly how good or bad does that sound What did they sacrifice for ninety nine dollar smart speaker will one phrase I didn't hear. You can correct me if I'm wrong. But this is something they spoke about constantly with the original there was no reference to room filling sound right right and that was the thing that they will always very very. Very focused on right was that you could get a home pond and it will fill the room and I did not catch them saying that this time. So I think that this thing actually I'm looking at the Webpage Jason and it says room filling sound on the webpage I will go check I. Just did command F on the webpage and they're saying ruin. Smaller may I'd I'm just GONNA sell it could mean. That was going to be surprised with this this law it's not going to be as loud Iras good standings. The Big One but I bet is going to be really good for its price I. Love the sound quality that I get from my home putz I to in a stereo pair. That's how we watch TV and I think it sounds so imagine because that's what I was going to say is that it's not just that it's ninety nine dollars but it's that for two hundred dollars you can get a stereo pair. And I think that is the ideal I really recommend to people if if you are somebody who watches Apple TV law and you're watching Apple TV through your TV speakers get two of these things and your TV viewing experience will be vastly better because the really smart stuff that it does we've all like the Stereo and walking out does the sound analysis and stuff really I love it like we don't have the ability to set up a surround sound in our home where we watch TV like living room. But I think we get a lot of the way there with a product like this because it will be very frequently that like we're watching a show, something will happen on the left hand side and it comes from the left hand side speak right? Like it sounds really good and immersive us in that audio so I think people are going to. Get a kick out of that. I know is Jason I went to the to the where patient look at the pricing in the UK 'cause it's like nine hundred pounds of course because. Conversion reaction exists anymore and one of the things on the order page says WanNa. Put One in every room for multi room audio. You just change the quantity of items and you'll bag. That's really funny. Just because she. Just by more of them. What's Your friends you know what? I WANNA see. I WANNA see some youtube like? One of these something you know. Jumping it. Really excited for this product. I'M GONNA I'm definitely going to pick one up for my studio. because I've been struggling with some of the home related I like I have some hue lights and stuff there and they've been causing some problems with my devices. So I wanna see of Home Kit will do a better job at that. I have actually found recently like registering stuff like lights and things of home kit has been much nicer than echoes. The Amazon Echo really struggles if you have to Hugh Hugh Bridges which I do have one home and one in the studio and really gets upset. So I'm hoping that maybe the home pot will do a better job at that. But yeah I like it I. Think this is super cool product. And its price really well there was a couple of interesting software features Oh should say the s five is inside of this thing is powering apples calling computational audio, which is clever thing where it's analyzing music and it's tweaking the output Sou- which I think is is quite clever. It has a use that you one chip finally. Yeah. It's something that I. Like amazingly, you know have been beating the drum of one ultra wideband. It's the future. Get Ready. Any Day. Now we you'll year gives a twenty, twenty, five cars. We'll have it as a feature that you're going to lock your car. Well, anyway, there's a UN chip in the mini and it does. It does a new version of hand off where it basically is be. It's going to be able to precisely detect when you bring a device with. An iphone basically up to it, and then do hand off which. I think is interesting. And it's it's. I will say, I, tried to use hand off with my home pod, the old version of that and it never worked right So maybe they fix that or maybe it's better or not. But like I was laughing when I saw the demo like it sounds great except. I never got it to work right with my home pot. So we'll see we'll see what they do with that. And I really liked the intercom feature they're working on which I thought was kind kinda cool. What I liked about know Steph seen over products do this right? Like I think all of the smart devices have some kind of tacoma mode you know like you can do with Google stuff. Damn on stuff where you can basically announce your voice in other rooms. But what I liked about this Moore was. That you could actually integrative of a product. So you could be out of the home and us into com on your iphone, and it will play to all at the home pods at home as well as send notifications to people on their devices. Exactly right. It's not gonNA it's not GonNa make your phone beep and then play an annoying thing from someone would just GonNa. Send you a push notification saying here's an audio message that you can play if you want to yeah and I assume that in in in car play it will say you know you just got a message you WanNa, play it that kind of thing. Like it does for for other messages, we have to back up There's a on There's a place on Apple's website that says comparing the home pod models and does not have home theater with Apple TV for K, listed for the homepage mini but does for the home pod I don't know that means I'm going to guess that the that a stereo paired home pod set is looking at five point one audio and doing some home theater e kind of effects with it, and my guess would be that maybe a stereo pair of home pod minis would just get stereo out but I don't that's just a guess. But that's that's weird. That's weird. And also that it doesn't have spatial awareness and the homepage does which I think is all those things where it was sending out like test tones. and. Automatically adjusting it sound these they just they just play. They play in three, hundred, sixty degrees or whatever. But they're not like testing your environment and adjusting automatically though seem to be things that are not available on the on the mini that are still available only to ninety nine home pod. Okay Well, I guess you know even even Stereo pairing them together would still sound good. But YOU'RE GONNA get the same the same features there's definitely you had a Ninety nine dollars they're not gonNA. They're not gonNA put every feature of the to ninety nine speakers in there. It's not GonNa happen a shame though. They're also getting support for Pandora earn, Amazon music which seem. Weird. Like why isn't spotify they're? Like I am sure that there's something on with the two companies, but it Kinda just feels a bit like, what are they doing you know? It seems to me like. I mean. It also may be that that they just chose not to promote spotify although you know spotify a better story right like and it will work with spotify but obviously, there are some. I. Don't know they don't get along they don't get don't get along but I find that I'm music customer and yes, it's cool for me but it's for Atkin imagine that that slide I'm sure caused more frustration than it did make people feel happy about that. About the choices right like I can imagine more people there being like well, that's annoying. Then people going here Muslim music. So. Yeah. I know the spotify is the question there. But again, that relationship has kind of fraud even spotify is working on something perhaps sometimes apple rewards companies by putting them doing things at apple once by putting them in media events but it may also be that they don't have everything signed and they're debating things. That happens to like Amazon for a long time was. Noticeably absent from Apple mentions because they were at odds over something and they made up and signed a deal, and now they talk about Amazon all the time. I WANNA come back one last time to the The. kind of setting him up with TV thing. I still think a stereo pair for two hundred dollars is pretty good because it's not all you'd use them full right like there are people in the chat with saints. One it. You just get speakers and plug them in like that is a good point but the speakers don't do anything else. Right look if you just by two bookshelf speakers and use those. I still think that for two hundred dollars a great feature of these you could stereo them and watch something. On on Apple TV right I. Guess I guess. I'm assuming that it means you could add play the apple. TV. To them right. Yeah this is that you can do that. So I think that it's just going to be stereo pair. Taking the Stereo signal out of the out of the the apple TV rather than it being a, you know some sort of Integrated Home Theater A. Kind of thing but I don't know like no none of us knows for sure until we tried this stuff out what the differences are you know I've said for a long time that I think that they should make a home pod. That's a that's a sound Bar Right And maybe even integrate apple TV into that as well where you basically it's it's an apple TV and it's a sound bar and it's a home pod and you know, and then that's going to provide you a real kind of a home theater experience plus it's got all of apple's airplay and stuff built into it but. Suffice it to say that Apple's home strategy is mysterious and inconsistent, and they've missed a lot of opportunities and they had some misfires and it remains to be seen. You know it remains to be seen whether they've got their act together. I think I this. This is an encouraging product. In that it seems to understand things about what people want from these products that the original home pod did not. But. There are so many other aspects of the connected home world. That apple doesn't plan in. Or the way they play is weird and you know it's one of those. It's one of those areas where I look at it and I think, I, don't understand what they're doing and I get the distinct impression that they don't know what they're doing. Wouldn't it be cool if the next home port was a was a salad bar. Why not just go for it right. That's that'll be the next one I would like to see our product. That will be really cool. All right should we get into the IPHONE? I think we need to. All right. 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If you remember Apple Pie ton of money into coining recently that people that crazy gorilla gloss, and now they have this thing called ceramic shield gloss, which I wouldn't be surprised would be exclusive to apple for a little bit It's Nanno ceramic crystals that are infused within the gloss and it gets four times a drunk performance. So basically, the phone is really durable a more durable now. Then, it's ever been one thing I didn't catch. Jason isn't if you did. Is it the same on the back and the front or is just the screen guests this ceramic gloss I don't know they showed it on the front. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just the but they they invested an absolute ton of money. It was quote a strategic investment I, think was what apple called it. In this is I'm sure one of the things to come from that. There are new colors across the line, the iphone Twelve and twelve many get black white product, red, green blue, and the pro phone scan silver graphite say goodbye to space gray now I suppose gold and Pacific Blue Frankly I'm happy to get rid of space grey it never made sense to me space isn't grey. Never, the same color on any product So graphite makes more sense I was convinced I would want blue. But the stainless steel gold like frame looks amazing. Apple's. So I might be going back to gold will say mainland up yet but considering the phone I'm sure that I WANNA get. I do have a little bit longer to look at pictures something else that all of these four phones have is Max Safe Jason Snell magazine. act. Back, it's back. This is madness around the Cheetah. The charge now does fifteen what Fox charging And as well as new charging products for the iphone there's like a basically a big silver apple watch charger. which is like thirty nine dollars. It's just a disk you plunkett on the back. That's how you charge the phone I guess you can use it for travel. You can pick it up or you could maybe just stick one on your nightstand, which is what it did for at. Her. She's just bill blue tack on the back and sticks. They also have a duo product for the iphone and the watch which isn't available yet or on Apple's website in the for sale section. Let's hope that they haven't another APP power Miss Jason. His this charge up you call by it's pretty straightforward is very similar to other chargers. We've scenes it is. Yeah. This one is not exciting by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a collapsible travel charger. But as well as all everything we expected something like Magsaysay would do which is helpful better challenging I have a bunch of new accessories. Yeah. Yeah. I. Think the they mentioned Belkin. and. So I like that there's a third party story here. Obviously, there's something about just the fact that there are. Apple's doing something that is going to help enable a lot of third party things that they mentioned it. You know the ecosystem of iphone accessories. It's a real thing but of course, apple has picked it spots where it wants to be you know. Taking a lot of money off the table and so we've seen them in the charger and then the MAG say stuff that's integrated into into their cases. And then things you know. So the cases have the magnet attachment now where you can you can. Attach them magnetically to the back of the phone, which is really interesting and I wonder how how much the magnet is holding them on versus some other means no lever cases by the way. At least banished at least not yet at the moment is all silicon. And I thought Oh my must have gotten rid of leather, but one of the products is not on the apple website right now is that like Sleeve Pouch thing that they had? RISA. May maybe the more cases still to come because that looked like it was made out of leather? Yeah. I feel like John Syracuse might return to the the pouch lifestyle with that. My God, can you imagine what it's? How shall be so yeah, because you the way it works is it slides in and then and then it knows it's gotTa magnetic attachment knows that it's in there and apparently it's got a special. You know basically will display the time through the little window when I don't even know what they're doing with that one clear case what he's going to click but has magnets in it. This is in a circle refine below at which looks very much like an old school floppy disk it looks like a magnifying glass yup or a magnifying glass. You should only by the clear case, if you're going to also get the little wallet attachment like I don't know why you would buy this case and in have that big white magnifying glass in the best. So the wallet is a great example of not only apple being smart and recognizing what people are using the iphone four but also then taking some money off of the top and away from other people because it's a leather I mean, here's your leather. It's a leather magnet wallet that you attach rather than these all these things. So when Jamie went off to school last year. Got An iphone eleven, I text her this morning by the way and I said your phone is now obsolete. She said what I said. Twelve now she's like, right But. But we bought a leather card wallet for the back and it's you know you just stick it on and then after. Ten weeks if it falls off like if it falls off when you don't really want your cards and stuff to fall off your phone and I, look at this and I think Oh, this is really smart like this is if I were buying that iphone Jamie today, this is what we would do and I like that it's a first party has thought of. The fact that people carry their cards attached to the back of their phone and they built it in and because it's all magnetic, they all go together. Theoretically, which I think is also really interesting and they said Apple says on their website is shielded. So you know you're not gonNA wipe the stripe off the back of your credit card or something like that but. that you can do that and you're going touch it to the back of the phone or to the back of one of the cases I like that that's that's a really smart and again apple's making all these calculations of certainly what are they wanna leave and what are they? Where do they WANNA play and they know not everybody's going to buy A. Case from apple but a certain percentage of people if apple offers a case will by the case and now they're gonNA take that iphone Wallet and they're GonNa. Take a certain percentage of those people are never going to look at the third parties when they're in the apple store or when they're on the apple online store, they're just going to buy the apple wallet. What I want is a magnetic pumps. Okay. It's going to happen right? I. Mean It seems inevitable. You'd like to think so seems inevitable as long as that magnet is strong enough that's it depends on the strengths because if I'm trying to pull the pups lock out from the phone and it comes off every time. Like. That's that's Noblesse. No good. So I, you know because I'm looking at that and I'm like Oh that looks really like as far as wireless charging stuff that that looks really clever like you know this is a better way to do the. Stuff needs to be powerful enough to hold the wallet on it too like I mean, you need to have some degree of certainty that the that the magnets going to hold strength they're. Basically thinking I I have come to really rely on a pop socket is something that I do genuinely really rely on and. At this point I don't think I could use a lodge phone without a so you know I it's it's the reason. I have one of the reasons I've resisted any wild charging because I can't use a while charge of pop song on the back of the phone of reliably if at all but if they were able I somebody was able to develop a product which is basically like a pop suck but integrates with this. with, this magnet I'll be all over that and then I could actually start use. Some of these leaks you know pop sake actually make A. Wallet of their own, a Cappella, one and. Maybe that would be a thing that I would want. But I like this I genuinely, very pleased that this is something which. I mean obviously, third parties would make products for this anyway. I liked it. There is an official way to make it happen in such a way that it could then change what's going on the phone like the phone is aware of the fact that it has that thing attached to it right so I'm I'm I'm excited about that. We knew it was going to happen charger and headphones are gone from box. We had a segment Lisa Jackson. We mentioned earlier she standing on the roof of apple work. Basically enough carbon savings will be Gained here that or quivalent taking four hundred and fifty thousand cars off the road every year. But still I, this is a cost saving measure as well as it is an environmental one. In my opinion, we said this before. Even, if apple care about it from the environmental perspective, which I'm sure they really do I have no doubt about that There is nothing for the customer in terms of cost savings or gaining any To get a charger if they need one. So Apple China take two wins here, and that's not how this works. Yeah I I was going back and forth somebody on twitter about this this week that but you know it can be both like well yeah it can be both. But the point is that it feels it is awkward and you need to question when it's like look at what we're doing for the earth and the environment. But, we know they're also saving money by doing this right they're saving money and apple saving money not just you know carbon output but saving money and a lot of ways because they said the box going to be smaller, which means more fit on a pallet will yeah. That means that they were going to be fewer. Flights with boxes of iphones coming from China to everywhere else in the world, but it also means that not paying for any of that. So apple saving money. And keeping things away from customers who might actually need them at which point they then need to go out and buy them themselves. It does that mean that it's a net win for the environment I do believe it is. Do I think that apple should make it easier for a new iphone buyer to say I actually need. A pair of headphones are actually do need a charger i. think they should I think that would be a a a consumer-friendly thing to do but this is not what they're doing. So here we are. And I understand that at this point show lots of people can can use it but at the same time. This year there including a usb charger in the box. So if you. Want to be able to charge with the new cable, you will need to buy a new power brick in most cases right. So you know this isn't I would have liked to see this story told a little bit better from them having more of a more full approach. Apparently Apple Selling Twenty, what USB power adapter for nineteen dollars now, which feels like a better price than what they've done in the post but still That nineteen dollars you know, let people choose to include this in the pack like why not not everyone's going to do it but some will do it yet. Nevertheless this is where we that. What else is going on here? So there were three sizes of iphone across the four phones. So the iphone twelve and the iphone twelve pro have six point, one inch screen, which is a big screen. Than what they replace with slightly larger physical dimensions the iphone twelve pro Max has a logic greenest six point, seven inches the biggest screen ever in an iphone of course eve also, slightly larger than the fund that replaces diesel like the couple millimeters in size. I got. I got this pick in the draft and I actually laughed when they mentioned it because they said almost almost the same size as the one I well almost means it's not. And it is slightly larger, but it's very, very very slightly I. Think it's one tenth of an inch. Or maybe it's one tenth of a millimeter I. Don't know it's it's slightly taller and very, very, very, very slightly wider, but it's also thinner and lighter than the pro Max of the eleven so. And a bigger screen. So basically, you get a bigger screen with with the phone that's not essentially not bigger. And the iphone twelve mini as a five point, four inch screen. So smaller than any at the eleven line, right so don't forget that like his after skipping this on your mind. In size, it is comparable to the iphone eight right or the. Essentially. Sure. I need to double check that, but I guess An iphone se are the same size you are correct yes. But he s he has got the top and the bottom because it's got the you know it's it's old style whereas this is iphone ten style device. Is Smaller than the SEC. Yeah. So five point, one, five, point one, eight inches. In high versus five point four on the se two and a half inches wide versus two point six inches, right. So it's actually smaller than the iphone se with a five point four inch display rather than a four point seven inch display. The would find on the SE in the iphone eleven had a six point one inch screen. So yeah, it's This is an interesting product lineup I think. Really, I think there are two types of customers that win here and then you have a lot of people in the middle. So I as a big fun PA, son getting a big phone and I'm super pleased about it the. People that one a small Afon now have a much smaller modern powerful phone than they've had in years. But then they're all everybody in the middle where they're facing. I think more bit more of a question about what phone they might. WanNa go full right like it's it's quite an interesting lineup overall. Yeah I think and I've mentioned this before. But I think one of the big questions is going to be the people who like smaller phones. Or who have come to accept the existing I phone size of the ten class phones. That phone doesn't exist in this product line by the twelve. Is is the you know was the big phone is is still a big. Twelve pro is bigger. And the twelfth Pro Max is about the same size and then you've got the twelve mini which is so much smaller. And that is going to be a really interesting buying dynamic to see who goes for the twelfth pro or the twelve, and who says you know what I usually buy the top of the line model. But I'm not going to this time because I want because I don't want a larger phone. I in fact I miss when it was smaller phone and that many is awfully interesting like awfully interesting. If I'm not in the the market for an iphone this year because I bought an iphone eleven last year eleven pro- But if I were to buy one this year, it would absolutely be the twelve mini in would be we'll talk about later. So by later on in this episode, what we would buy but like. Certainly. Don't WANNA get my hands on him I wanna see and and feel what they really feel like but it's hard for me to imagine having a bigger phone. I feel like the ten class sizes already pushing my limits. And the idea that they're making a a modern I phone that stat small I'm. I'm intrigued by that and I know so many people. WHO All who held out with the original S E for so long because they just didn't want to be pushed up even to an iphone six, seven, eight class. Phone let alone ten class phone that. Are. GonNa look at that that mini mini's a really interesting and compelling product. We have a little follow up I want to throw in there by the way it looks like according to Apple's Webpage E. charging is still rated at seven point five watts. It's rag safe that's up to fifteen. So I wonder apple is apple thing they piggybacked on top of CI and made their own magic sauce there Max safe sauce that they're that they're putting in there. So that's Interesting. Can Try and talk about the cameras and I really say try yes. Because I have very confusing I had apples comparison page up now I also want to point out something that apple has maybe needs to rethink, which is that there comparison paid for only has three slots and they have four brand new iphones. Work on that work on that apple but I've got it up here now. So if we want to talk about the cameras, let me see if I can if I can explain this. So. They all have. A twelve megapixel camera system but. Okay, the ultralight is as a two point four, APERTURE DOT Christ. The wide is at one point six aperture. There's only telephoto on the pro models. The telephoto on the pro is two point, oh aperture but the telephone photo on the Pro Max is a two point two apertures. So let's just say I don't know what? I don't really know what that means for me like this is my thing with the cameras oil. We can talk about the fs we can talk. And like, and again, we can talk about the focal length but we can talk about all of that and I understand that things get better different elements I understand that but for me as somebody who just takes pictures with my phone I, don't really know how any of that translate these pro Max two point five x optical. Zoom. As opposed to the two X. Optical Zoom. On the pro so the the larger phone gets a little bit better telephoto camera. So there is actually and I know you love this because you love being Hashtag Mike was Right Yeah Hashtag plus club whatever Hash taxi this time Max club. You like Lording it over the little people with their little phones with your enormous phone that has better features than any other iphone. Congratulations. You. Got It. Yes. There was a rumor about four times five times optical zoom, right but. This was someone who saw apple's product pages and thought that that man does going to be a four times telephone to five times telephoto. Zoom. That's the case. It is the overall from like range that they have from all the way out on ultra light to all the way in telephoto. It's five x range they mean in the iphone interface in the camera APP, you've got three choices right? You've got one. Two point five acts on the pro Max and point five x, which is the the pullback wide-screen. And that is a range of five axe. Right. If you if you consider point five to be one, which is not because it's point five, then the two point five would be five it's Algebra people but. The way they the way they describe. This is so weird because they're trying to be camera e. Like, zoom as our discord judges point like it's not like a really zooms. It's three different fix things and then you can. You can digital zoom in between them and chooses which camera uses for those but like. It's a really zooming, but but it's the effect of zooming, which is that you've got a a wide and a middle Andy Zoom in telephoto kind of thing. But it yes, it is very strange but suffice it to say that extra space in the pro Max and the extra price of the pro Max you. If you really love your telephoto, you will get tighter telephoto experience on the pro Max yet, and I love to Bandon the proline for the twelve many I will lose that which will make me sad but we'll get into that. So the pro amax gets not just a zoom, the Telephoto Lens is better. Guns Wide Angle Lens is better than even the improvements in the other phones so. On has got A. Regular camera the wide angled camera. But the pro Max has eighty seven percent better low light performance. On. The wide and a brand new optical image stabilization system, which is called sensor shift where essentially if I've understood it correctly instead of the camera being what is stabilized, they stabilize the camera sensor and a Nabil's optical stabilization on every camera in the phone rather than just the ones that they optically image stabilize. Very small super cool. So the cat I'm pleased about this because. When the plus was introduced, you know like you paid more, it was a bigger screen, but you also got A. Teacher's because the foam was bigger right they could do more with it and that was a really great thing I loved that and then over time it just became USA screen size and I was kind of a little bit frustrating. You know maybe a little bit more battery life, but I always felt like they could be more. So I am very pleased to see that. The pro amax getting attention again in the additional money now I'm paying for I'm also getting. Vastly. Better. Camera performance across all of the cameras I'm very excited about that right? It looks like the censorship is specifically on the wide. Format. Right. Well, it's slow. Okay. But the cameras say like optical jewel optical sensor shift optical. So what is the only stabilizing the wide angle on? With The rest of them are the other more traditional optical image diplomatic using. miscegenation citation across the cameras but just the wide angle camera is the one that's getting the census shift. Yes and only on the promex guess clear as mud. Clear Nice and clear. This is one of those things where it's like just understand from what we said at the start. All the cameras about an amount of what phone you're buying but the more money you spend the cameras get better right like, yes it does seem to be the case and they seem to have not i. think what is fascinating here is that they've made a choice to not care about having everything be exactly the same and do a little bit more feature differentiation of among the models beyond size, which you said you liked and I think that this is an interesting choice on their part because it ruins simplicity. But it provides more value to the you know possibilities of the entire iphone line because yes, there's at least one iphone that does this thing and it's the most expensive one and you know you may. The I I. I'm fascinated by the entire concept. We're GONNA talk about video in a minute, but like very clearly atlas trying to make some. Concessions. Some some choices that. Prove why they're calling it pro- and a lot of these things I think most buyers of the pro pro phone. Don't care about. But some people will care a lot. And those people are going to be motivated to buy the higher end phones and it lets apple say we've got a range arrange matters. It's not just about size and the highest phone does get some special tech that we couldn't fit in the next one down like I get what they're doing there and they made that is a conscious decision, right because they could have kept it and said, no, if we can't do it in both of the pro phones we should only. Keep them the same. Yeah and they chose not to do that because they do want that to be different differentiator and they have to realize that it does make things a little more confusing. But. It's a choice that they made nuts interesting. Apple pro raw was the feature which is a sneak peek for coming later in the year every year round is apple of had something to do with a camera that doesn't come at launch talk sweater mode last year Yup and I think it was portrait mode one year while Yes This is effectively allowing for you to have a new option. Way You still get images enroll so you shoot enroll which means that you can then have a lot more control over the image in your own kind of post processing for collar and exposure and that kind of stuff but they are including apple's image processing in the whole bundle, which basically means that you still benefit from all the work that apple is doing image processing while still getting of the typical control that you would have with raw, which would allow people using these phones I'm sure to get very, very good. Out of this they census. So again, this is a little bit over my pay grade when it comes to dealing with raw images like I can't imagine ever. Using this myself but it's again it's a pro feature. Yeah and that means that you can take those things off of the iphone. And into. Pretty. Much any yeah. Any pro, a photo apple potentially support this. except. I guess but life late room is a good example. And you'll have access to all of that apple image processing, raw data to make your edits and yet pro photographers or are love it, and again, another example of a pro feature in the pro phone even though most people aren't gonNA use the pro features or aren't gonNA care. How do you justify calling it pro one way you do is you load in features for the pros I like apple again most iphone pros are not used to shoot feature films or commercials right but. Some value. Some value accrues to them in the fact that somebody does right like Oh this is so good that you can make a movie with it. I'M NOT GONNA do it but isn't it awesome and like that that is part of the kind of the halo that surrounds the also building that level building to you could make professional grade video and photo with this camera. Means that the person who is using their phone to create the youtube videos that they wanna make will benefit right like you will get some benefit and some of that might be in a pro video as well, which is hasty are recording, including being the first camera that can shoot in Dolby, vision HDR of four K. sixty frames per second with live previewing as well. So, yeah. I can imagine the hasty off video stuff will be something that a lot more people will benefit from. Then the the parole I saw a funny comment on twitter screw by during the event, which was like you know. Apple is very good at pointing out the features that doesn't include in saying well, we didn't think people would you know would care and then they include features make a big deal out of them that literally nobody is going to care and it's sort of like hundred twenty. Hertz scrolling yeah. You know do people really want that but they'll be vision hd are we have that and it's like You know but it's like 'cause sometimes the choices are about what you're capable of doing and what you're capable of doing at a certain price point and all that and apples I again like I said before this is a pro feature it. Let's say look how amazingly capable our cameras are most people aren't GonNa care I don't think people are gonNA care about hd or video recording too much although I suppose you know if you're taking pictures of your Newborn and the TV's of the future all HDR. Then you've got dynamic range and colors for those pictures of your of your kid, the Dolby vision thing I'm waiting for the pro to say all this really is doing is tagging every. You know every video with dolby vision stuff on the fly in order to claim that it's still vision it doesn't really make it any better, but you know it's a it's a thing that they can check the box about. It's for most people. This is a little silly other than to say, wow, like apple keeps on dumping even more high level features and buzzwords and things, and it feels good that I've I'm using the best camera to shoot my random video that I'm shooting. The Light Sensor. which is only included on the pro phones It finally has a feature of use rather than just a are. It helps with focusing in low light including a new night mode portrait but it also better auto focusing stuff like that. Which I think is a great use. You know the me like great I don't really care too much about a are at the moment. Especially, we've everything that I've seen but I'm super into using the sense of a better auto focusing stuff like that. Yeah. We talked about how people were skeptical of the use of light are for photography, but they've found a way to use it to augment their their stuff now I'm. I have a little bit of skepticism about how much of this is. Is Super Helpful and how much of this is. Something that helps them explain why light ours cool because aaar maybe isn't enough. Right like I'm not I'm not a hundred percent that this is in the end going to be that the light are as a use in certain cameras situations is worth having the light are censor there but I think it may be broadens the appeal of adding that sensor to say, Oh, it also helps with your photos instead of the pitch for the IPAD pro, which was literally it's great for a are and that was it. Now. The thing we haven't spoken about yet, which is the thing. The thing apple couldn't stop talking about throughout this entire presentation and that was five G. now. I New Five G. was going to happen on this phone seemed obvious to me from the beginning. and. We have it. But. The level. At which apple spoke about five during his presentation sure. Far More than I expected for a company that pooh-poohed Five G. and didn't come out with a five G. phone last year because five G. whatever what is it good for this year was Apparent they had been apple had been in a program where they had. Been Intervention and they'd been sat down they said, no, you gotta understand five very important and they're like, oh Yes I I've got it now I've got it. Now let's bring. Mr Verizon out onstage to talk about five hours. Ridiculous. That was too much. They know into fall without him. Honestly honestly, I felt really nostalgic because it's been a while since I've been to a live apple event and I felt super nostalgic to have Tim Cook introduce a an executive from some other car some other company who is going to stand there and talk about how great their product is for way too long like that's all it's like, aw, it's like I'm back in the Steve Jobs theatre also I went and got myself drink during that part because which you can't do if you're at the Steve Jobs Theater. But Yeah, it's too much and I wonder about the verizon thing like. Some interesting carrier stuff going on in the background here, and this is one of them, which is like, what is the backstory about letting the CEO Verizon on stage for an apple event like what was what did they give apple in exchange for that because that has to be right like I I feel like that's not apple saying, well, we really need verizon to play ball here. That's not that I don't understand what they could have. Done no matter what they did apple don't just sell the phone on Verizon Horizon. They like if horizon did a bunch of stuff to make the iphone run better on five G. ON VERIZON. That's awesome. But apple sell them fall networks in America and then I'll many many many more cross the globe some me sitting here in the UK. Can I even get five G. With this iphone and I'll tell you jason I have been looking and I cannot find the answer to that question, right? Yeah. Well Yeah. This is this is part of the challenge here and I even the US like at and T.'s gotta be feeling sad and. They apparently put out a press release right afterwards and yes, we have it and also here's a deal will give you. Literally at and T. is trying to do a deal where they where if you trade in a phone. And are on their unlimited plan or whatever. They'll just give you an iphone twelve. Please please please don't leave us but. Something I don't know. Drizin main announcement they said, they were turning on their nationwide five G.. As opposed to just I I wonder if there's some of the deal here was like we want you to hold this and tie it to the apple event so that the launch of the iphone coincides with the launch. On I don't know either this this I was baffled by it and I'd like to know the behind the scenes of why this happened but it was super boring. at five G. is over hyped I. You know it doesn't mean. Fudgy is important in the long run. But like in the short run, it's actually not that important. But if you're apple, you've got five phones you kind of want to flog it and you know if you're a carrier, you want to flog your five G. Networks and so. You know Hans out there from Verizon doing just that but I found it. Yes extremely uninteresting I. think the five G. Features are the least interesting thing about these phones. And we spent an awful lot of time doing it. So whether apple believes that there's just been so much five G. Marketing that they they need to counter. To do it was because the networks saying that it's here, I don't know that they had to go as far as they did mentioning five G. off because it wasn't just in that excruciatingly long beginning segment five G. came up throughout the. iphone presentation just kept on flying back hitting us in the head every time like, nope back. In. My opinion Five G. on the iphone is the thing that we're GONNA be talking about over the next couple of months because. We need to understand across the globe as people getting these phones if they can even get five Jay. So that's going to be a set of stories, and then we'll have the stories of like weather actually works people not an if. We could end today answer and we could be going. You know what there were. Right? This is amazing right but I don't know if. Anyone is at that point especially when. Everyone's home. All right. So the other other interesting quirk here is we've talked a lot in the past about special versions of the iphone four China especially but for other countries like that have different wireless standards, these iphones have different version for the US. because. There is the millimeter wave tech that that Bryson is using In the US, and so they support that. But apparently only in the US models as far as I can tell, lot of weird stuff going on here that we're GONNA have to have to learn about fortunately, and this is a little tidbit that I also thought was kind of funny. If your not needing five G. speed. The iphone software automatically takes you back down to lts's save battery and it's good. It's good. It's also kind of funny of like Oh. Yeah. We can't stay up there. No. Yeah. But when we launched our like you know you could on we turn if you had to manually turn him off to save battery right but this is like, no, we it in the software which I like. I like but. I don't know I don't know the verizon thing went on too long. That was the part that just I don't know why that happened I. Don't think we really needed. That much time what what did rise due for apple to get that slot. I don't know so anyway if I. See it looks like. The. Millimeter wave stuff is coming to other countries. So like that's the thing that's weird to me is like. Other countries will get millimeter wave. So why does the was the US the only iphone twelve that will ever have? Don't, and I don't know that maybe it has something to do with the qualcomm modems and what's available and what volumes where. I don't know. Very, strange this is what I'm saying the five G. PA I think is something that we're going to keep checking in on as time goes because we will get more information about people will start to use it to be able to talk about their experiences a bit more. But I really do think quick look back at that presentation. We are now in the future and be like a way too excited about five G. G. is going to be great but it's great. Yeah, it's not. There and I I really don't understand the whole thing. So anyway. The iphone twelve mini is going to be six, nine, nine stock sat and the iphone twelve dots seven, nine nine. In America. The Sodas nine to five Mac deals. Prices are available as special offers from Verizon and T. so this is the thing these prices are are not real. Yeah. Another another interesting quirk and iphone pricing that has been so quirky over time. When apple says, it's six, ninety, nine or seven, ninety nine or we'll get to ninety, nine and ten, ninety, nine. It's not it's actually thirty dollars more and they have special deals in the US anyway the special deals with verizon and a t and t but not the other carrier. Carriers soon to be carrier. So there's a thirty dollar discount you get as an at and T. customer. Or a verizon customer. That makes it six, nine, seven, ninety, nine. But if you're a t mobile customer, guess what it's seven, twenty nine. which is. Bananas. It's it's a you know it. It's basically a promo price at apple is is selling you but depending on your carry, you don't get it, and of course, if you WANNA, buy a symph remodel. Could completely free and clear you don't get the special deal. It doesn't seem like there are strings attached like as an at and T. customer I believe I can just say, yes, I have at and T. and I get it for six ninety nine but I find it really weird. That they've got these special deals that will they continue? Will they not continue? Is this effectively a price raise? That's just going to be slow acting for some but not for others. But the bottom line is you know I don't think we can call this a six, ninety nine. iphone twelve mini or seven ninety, nine, phone twelve, I think we have to call them seven, twenty nine And and eight, twenty, nine, right. Yes. Guess. The twelve. Quote Nine Ninety nine. But now, at one, twenty, eight gigabytes. So they about the storage minimum, which is Great Twelve primax at ten, ninety nine. So the iphone the now following me here. The iphone twelve and the iphone twelve pro are available in October. Twelve pro mini and the twelve per Max will be available in November. So the smallest and largest November, the two phones in the Middle October that's how I was working. So wait me talking about iphones for a long time. Because these phones will will becoming out So that's the iphone twelve line. Let me just say I know that I expressed frustration, right? Yeah and the frustration for me mostly comes at like deb being a lot to to try and digest. There are things that I want on these phones that don't have. But I think for the phone this phone in general I'm very excited about it. I think looks fantastic. I'm really excited for the new physical design, the flat side design. I'm really excited about I'm excited to get an even larger screen because it's just go for it and see what that's like and I am super excited to try out these new cameras on the pro Max So I would say like I am I am eagerly awaiting a twelve PROMEX, but I have question marks especially around five G.. And its usefulness to us at the moment I think that we're like a couple away and five G. is going to be unbelievably great. Right? We can get all the technology in place, but we're not there and the fact that we're not yeah is what's made apples. One hundred and ten percent on this Kinda strange. For them at least. All right this episode is brought to you by bombers bombers makes the most comfortable socks in the history of feet. 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The pros are actually ninety nine and ten, nine, hundred stock price, and that's that. But the on the cheaper models, they are cheaper by thirty dollars only in certain promotions apparently say all more expensive them beans, they're more expensive. So it really is sort of seven, twenty, nine, eight, twenty, nine, nine, nine, thousand, nine, and ten, ninety, nine. So you mentioned that you would by the. You would buy the twelve if you will buying right? Yeah and I WANNA get my hands on it because it's possible that if I try the twelve mini I would even trade in my phone and Upgrade. Because I like the ten class phone and I've gotten used to it and I have the eleven pro now. But. So here are the things one. It is a little bit too big. And too. It's slippery. So it requires a case. And back in the IPHONE five. Era. I didn't use a case on my iphone. The need to it felt comfortable my hand and we've gone back to a design with these flat sides. Where I'm hopeful that the this is not going to be a bar, a bar soap right? A slippery bar soap that. Because my iphone I hope that new ceramic thing works because it's flying through the air and it's about to hit the ground right so if It feels really good in my in my hand like the screen is big enough. Everything looks good and I don't feel like I'm going to. Drop it. It's possible that I would do a trade in either of my eleven pro or of my old ten that Lauren has. And then you know rollout went down to her one of those I might I. I'm a little bit tempted but that would be what it would be it would have be something where If I tried it out. I felt like it was going to be could go case less and that it was it just felt better to have that size because it's been years since I used the phone of that size and it's possible that the iphone ten class phone design has ruined being and I can't go back but also my priorities in a phone like even before the pandemic. I spent a lot of time on my IPAD and on at my desk. At My on my Mac. IPHONE is not the most important device in my life I, use it when I'm out I'm not out very much now, but I do use it when I'm out. But like it's not my primary device I have other devices for that. So it doesn't really need to be big. And so I don't know what I'm kind turning around in my mind but I think the real the real question is going to be when in November we get a chance to hold these things and actually have that experience because there's a huge range in the iphone line right now like this. Badgen that twelve pro, Max and the and the twelve mini like those are the. Picture of Sorry. This baseball reference but there's a picture of Aaron judge who's like the almost seven foot tall Yankee standing second base and And Little Jose Altuve as a very small second baseman and there's this picture and it's like. Baseball players come in all sizes right this is like that with these phones they are they are so dramatically different in size. So that's exciting and I i. hope that works for you and me because I imagine that that's what you're thinking is giving the largest iphone possible while I'm thinking, maybe give me the smallest iphone possible. So what's your I read as a as the founding member of the of the plus slash Max club I remain. Hesitant at the increased size. Right. A CERTAIN POINT These phones are going to be too big for me. Right I. Don't know if we've hit it yet but suddenly close because even though the physical size is only a little bit more dishes, screen sizes, still size screen I have to reach across and you know I'm blessed to have being relatively tall guy. So I have big hands. My hands have been fine for these phones but I don't know this one's going to be like ride like may be the the iphone twelve prime max is has passed while I am willing to be happy to us right but I just don't know it yet. But what apple have done, which was for me was like best case scenario, they've made it an easy decision because they've given me additional functionality again, which is something that I really wanted. So like be giving me an even better camera might mean that if I get it and I'm like what is might be a little bit too big for certain circumstances I can only say well, but I've got that really great camera that I want. So the only thing for me I'm going Pro Max foreshore. My only thing is I don't know what college again because I loved the Green. Right. Of the Midnight Green of the iphone eleven pro. Really. Happy with that caller and. At the time so I will so would love a blow right and they've given me blue and blue looks great. But the gold, the goals of shining real getting you good. Yeah. Like that. It was it. They're showing it on the pages. They made a specific point of showing during the presentation though what they've done to the stainless steel sides. That looks sue hub. So I'm not sure between the two of them leaning towards gold right now I really hope that I get to see some pictures of this I will won't I because. The twelve's. And people have reviews about them. Before I have to order the twelve PROMEX, right you'll be able to see some pictures of the gold more even go to A. Store I. Mean I could I guess I can try. To put on your space, I might I might do that. Actually I might do that. The. Big Decision. Here is a genus for an upgrade and she's have to really think she what she event of me and was not sure about what she would. She has eleven pro right now but as lot of people like you the. Is tempting to her because she's a tiny person And especially now that the the is way closer between those phones but like the thing that she would have to give up is the Telephoto Lens. You know I think that's one of the things that people will give up everything else seems Batta than the you know even in the mini than it was in the twelve pro by law of instances, but you do lose a camera. So you have to be willing to lose that camera, and if you used it telephoto lenses law like I, genuinely do like I wouldn't want to give it up. but you know it's about tradeoffs right? Do Do you want much much much smaller phone? Mean this is an inch. This is a very interesting year the very interesting. Yeah. apple of Gone Very Bald with this lineup I think in having the smallest get smaller and the biggest phone get bigger. I. Think you know we've been hearing about ASSEFA, a couple of years and it was intriguing then and really intriguing now. But the thing is a lot of people who are in the positions that you know me and you are in right now where it's like. Do, I do what I've always done or do I change. So this this is a moment where the line has changed appreciably on I, think it it. It's GONNA cause unless you're buying. A twelve coming from the eleven or the ten are or you're buying twelve pro coming from the ten ten s more eleven pro-. those the ones that are coming I. I. Think are straight down the line. But the ones the out liars. Are Interesting enough to like make you have a rethink. Yes I. Think so although the But the but there is the question though that I think the people need to think about like if you had an eleven pro, the twelve pro is bigger, the screen is bigger. and. He's true. If you already feeling like that scream was too big for you you'll be going from five point eight to six point one in there. You're right and that's where I am right so so none no, you're right. You're right I think that if there's a decision point if you've got ten tennis or eleven pro. Where you have to decide if you WANNA bigger phone or not or if you've reached your limit and that's where I am and like I said earlier, I'm fascinated to see if apple will ever give us any color on this or based on anecdotes that we hear how many people get off the pro train. Because while they like. A nice phone. What they really liked was that it was the smallest current iphone. And it's not anymore. No, I'm sad because I do like that telephoto. Lens, and would prefer it to a wide angle lens to be honest but. That may not be enough right like given given the size issues and this has always been an issue since apple went up to the six from the five that some people don't want a bigger phone most people do turns out some people don't, and will they get off the the pro line and go to the mini instead I? Think a lot of people will was asking interesting right away the comparison page. The battery life seems like it might be worse on the new phones. So the iphone eleven pros listed to eighteen hours video playback, the iphone twelve pro is seventeen hours video playback. That's weird. Right. Now. That's not something that apple talk about nobody unless someone usually see. Either How Peculiar? Yeah. I wonder I wonder if five G. chief factors at the pro Max phones the same. Eleven promos toll from ex same battery. But the eleven pro to twelve pro less battery. Yeah. It's the video playback up to seventeen hours versus eighteen hours. Video playback streamed the same. Audio, playback the same. I don't know. Why do they use video playback as the battery? Indicated well, because it's it's taxing. because. Otherwise, you've got to create like a virtual like a like a little fake hand taps on things and k you gotta you gotta find something to keep the phone active and emulating actual real world use. And they can do that and they have in the past, but it's hard and it's easier to just play video until it dies. Jason the twelve many as fifteen hours. But you know how I know a small town, but if you're used to that battery life. That's a big difference. It's a difference, but I think that the people who want that phone are going to. That's not going to be their priority, right. But what they bought this does though is it makes that decision more difficult for the people that are in the I have an iphone eleven pro are have an iphone and I wanted to side. So again, like bringing in Abana conversation again because we were talking about A. One thing that she wants is mobile phone again because she's at point with with, she's had a phone for long enough in the Barry Stein ago. So if I now say to her well the phone, the twelve many has a worse battery and the one you currently have she's probably going to go for that fun. So like the people that are in those middle areas that are trying to decide like, where do I wanna go next something like the battery life is significantly lower like significantly lower like you. You're going to lose the game that you got from the ten asked to the eleven. might make people think again on it. I mean I know they apple didn't mention it but I'm surprised it's taken me this long to see in the comparison chance that there is quite significant. Battery Life. Changes. Just to be clear, it's actually more battery life than the tennis. But. Gain of the of the eleven where they had a huge. A huge game in battery life. Yeah. So it goes it's sort of it's basically if you're coming from ten or a tennis, it's not going to be less battery life. What about everything? We didn't see. It was that we didn't see right at this event there was. Apple Silicon. It's very clear. It's very clear. That there's going to be another event right I can't see them releasing the first apple silicon. Max. With no fanfare. So I would have and they've gotten good at doing one hour ish long video events. So why would they not do AMAC event like in the past they might have had that debate of like well, why don't we just do some briefings and a press release and an embargo time and we'll do it that way but I feel like. They probably won't do that this time because. Why not do an hour on this and Brag? All you can about how amazing apple silicon is. Oh By the way we didn't even talk about it. Takes a little sidebar here. Mike Sidebar. About the new processor. Fourteen yeah. Not. A lot of detail. Not a lot of comparisons to the eighth thirteen instead comparisons to other smartphone that mean to our phones not count as of smartphones phones I think they're burying a fourteen performance. Still and I wonder if it's because it's not as impressive as they had hoped. the if it is as impressive as they had hoped, I'm. Baffled why they compared the IPAD to the previous IPAD air and they compared this iphone in most cases to other smartphones and not to the previous generation. iphone as far as I can tell, and that's weird I just I it's not what I expected and they either have a are playing a different game than I thought they were playing or there's some reason why they are reluctant to quote direct. Eight fourteen numbers. Right Right okay and if they really WANNA see a big number just compare it to the competition. Yeah. Well, you're going to get a bigger number that way. So anyway, I just wanted to mention that because we we didn't we pass that aside but I, was expecting more bragging I. Know they did have some bragging about the a fourteen but every time they brought it day fourteen I kept waiting for them to sort of like dig in a little bit more than they did last. Month and they didn't really like they didn't really so so take us with a grain of salt then but I feel like if they're going to do the apple silicon Max thing, they really do WanNa Brag on how much better those are than the Intel MACs right and then and other Intel PC's. So I think it needs to be an event and that it sounds to me like that's GonNa be next month or early December and you know those Max may very well ship. Early early to late December. But I feel like that. There's probably almost certainly has to be another one of these. Apple events to come for us with apple silicon because they said by the end of the year they they didn't need to put that stake in the ground but they did and I don't think they're going to let it go by and say, Oh yeah, here's a macbook air with apple silicon anyway. Happy. New. Year I don't think they're going to do that especially because does so much of a stuff which still come this year like. Pods of some kind right the over Ahah ones especially. An Apple TV hardware may be more about. Content. I do think that we are in for one more. I don't think there's going to be a press release kind of situation I think I'd have November one more given given that we're going to be. That you ideally wanted to get your lineup set before the holiday buying season begins. November doing a late November event is late for that although you could do it apple TV I start to look at and think I wonder if they're gonNA. Do a spring. Services something that has an apple TV announcement in it. and. Do it that way If. They don't. If that product isn't ready to go, it would allow them to talk about their shows and all those other things I. Wonder if there is another venue for that. that is early next year, and honestly I'm starting to wonder is this going to be the model going forward for Apple, which is every month or two? They're just GONNA do an hour they'll drop our with a bunch of products that are all related to each other and not mentioned any of the other products that apple makes because they want to keep the focus maybe. Maybe The question of how you roll out something like apple, air pods, studio headphones, or something like that still. still out I, kind of thought that they might pair that with the home pod. And that seems like a great holiday product. It's not ready I don't know. I can only imagine that that's the case this. Maybe already or maybe it's just not for now I don't know but it feels like this still enough's staff that could come this year the we haven't yet gotten to. Strand seems like maybe there'd be one more event in the offing to allow them to get those things out because. I'm sure that any headphones stuff. They're really going to want for the holidays, right Yeah. All those rumors about apple clearing out other headphones stuff from there and single. Well, there's definitely GonNa be a headphones announcement because they've cleared all that stuff out. I keep thinking that that's one of those examples where you're overthinking it and it's probably apple apple dumps third party products from the apple store all the time. And if they're thinking about the holidays and thinking about apple stores where they're gonNA have limited. Space for people. It's possible that they just decided. They're going to clear out that stuff and clear out that space and use it for something else or use it for more space. So we'll see. But like I was obviously, they didn't announce it here. They could be doing this because they doing that and they made that decision to happen a while ago and these headphones coming a little bit late. Then expect could also be multiple decision. So that just doing them all we talk about what the IPHONE didn't get specifically right? Like missing features on the iphone there was all the rumors that there might be promotion which I feel like. Makes the most sense when you've got apple pencils support, but it also has its advantages just from you know smooth scrolling smooth scrolling on the ipad pros real nice and there's a reason nicely iphone every Tehran phone has this feature like they're genuine benefits yet can feel a daily basis also gaming, you can get high refresh rate gaming. Loss of reasons for it apple chose like the pixels per inch on these phones is all is very impressive, right? These are super high resolution displays. That's great but the hundred and Twenty Hertz refresh that we talked about being a possibility didn't happen the one. That's the big one is there is no emergency touch ID sensor like on the IPAD air on these calls. I D I really hoped it was a long shot to hope it but I did hope that they could have. I hope all of these journalists who are getting briefings with apple press them on that question I wanna hear what the Stock Apple Answer is for. Did you not consider why did you not do something to try and deal with the fact that we're all wearing masks? Yeah, and I'm sure they have a dumb answer. That doesn't satisfy anyway I just realized I. WanNa Hear Talk About face ID at all no no, it's just on the slide. It definitely was not something that they brought up because it's a weakness for them and they didn't have an answer for it because they didn't build a touch ID sensor into these iphones I would lay money at this point that the next iphone will have touch ID censor but I'm a little disappointed that with the heads up that they did get and I ranted about this on a previous show so I don't need to do it again. But like this, you got the tech there. I would like that I would like that explanation even. What would satisfy me? If they said, you know we looked at it because we do think that something that might be possible in the future they'll never say that but but. There wasn't possible like I would love a senior apple EXAC. Authority to say to say that to say that you know we think that we see that point maybe it'll happen analysts call like we see that point but you know we we didn't have that tech on the iphone I know it's on the IPAD but that was years and the planning I would love for a real truthful answer. We're apple said we get it that you want it. And maybe and we tried but it wasn't possible but I don't think they're going to admit to not having superhuman abilities to create iphone features either so. And of obviously, no UNBC that people wanted it. But that never something that was coming issue, I would love it if it happened but doesn't the existence of the MAG safe. On the back suggests that the direction that they're going to go alternately is to add some. To add some data. To the. Magnetic connector. And that's how they get to. The so-called. Port. Louis iphone yet. How that were would work but I guess it could write like a like a smart connector beige. Yeah. Yeah. Because I guess it's not on the aluminium so they don't need to do a little car out. He's going through the gloss I assume you could transfer data that way I don't know. I don't know. But Yeah I think. I think that is something that is continuing to prove that. I don't think we're getting USCCA on the iphone of any kind. I think that they will WanNa Push Max say further until that can be the only thing be. Could be. Who knows but I would love to see it, but it didn't happen and. Probably won't, but you never know. Big Event I am genuinely very excited about the products announced today. I can't wait to get my orders in but I'm GonNa be waiting now until mid to late November for all of the stuff to I WANNA be getting. 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iOS 14 beta 3 changes, iPhone 12 specs, iOS apps on the Mac

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iOS 14 beta 3 changes, iPhone 12 specs, iOS apps on the Mac

"All right. Let's jump into it this week. We've got think apple is committed to. A. Major Goal and twenty thirty by twenty thirty. We have some fun new. Beta updates and one of the coolest things in my opinion. Is This iphone twelve story that we'll talk about a little bit later on but first off. Tell me about Apple's carbon-neutral Twenty twenty goals so I understand. What's happening here? Sure so? I think they announced into twenty nine hundred that they were now fully. Carbon neutral in the operations, and that means like that buildings over the Apple Park and infinite lube. And then you know their offices, they have in London and all these other countries, right the office which does apple TV stuff and and the either them is that they were. carbon-neutral, which means the or the carbon that they generate has been, either it'd be made directly by green energy sources like in the case Apapa. They parrot based off the solar panels on the roof or in some cases, especially like retail stores. Off Saturday these offset right so they they they they either fund like a development program for building trees in a far away place, or they pay someone you know 'cause this most companies when they approach environmental issues like this is the there are plenty of like you know middlemen companies around the guy that you can just pay money to they say look if you need to offset this matter carbon. You pay some money and we'll go from safe for year right. Apple is trying to be more proactive with that. And you talk, they will be seen is the biggest company the world resources like they hide Lisa Jackson who? Obviously has huge background in green engine stuff to help lead a leaders initiatives to like most companies say that getting carbon-neutral. It just means that like just paying someone else to do it for him. If you know I mean and technically they called the neutral, but it's not quite the same level. Achievement is doing it properly, and I think. A they announced today. They said that they want to make their entire business company to which extends to the supply chain, and that includes all of the partners that you know they. Manufacturing is the people they Clinton out to to make parts and components for for the final product, and they said they've already got like eighty percent of supplies on board to take that. Stuff carbon-neutral ran out the rest by by the twenty thousand. And I think that was in somewhere in the right might be, said something like eighty percent of the. Company's competent will be from Green Energy sources than twenty percents off the off saying you know thing because they have the. Have the set of panels on Apple Park. They have the big solar panel arrays next data centers right, and then they doing a low more projects in that domain and. You know they. They like to shop these things because they're impressive, but the he's when they wouldn't have to do this stuff. Right like they. They could easily beat the bees company vote care environmental issues, but I think it's not seemed. Yeah, it's it's a cool thing. And just breaking down what it means to be. Carbon neutral like you did is helpful because I think I think if you look at it. By buying credits is thing that that is is. Pretty scalable. I think what apple is doing. This is better than that, but also harder to scale because how much of you know. How much buying forest is. Doing the forestry stuff as possible for every company so so I'm having this ten goal is is really nice, I like yeah, and also extends to product design right I mean stuff like shrinking packaging using your materials in the phones themselves in the devices like I'm making most recycling material is one of the announcements in this press release was the seen each map it pro is now going to be. The chassis price is going to be made using a a process that minimizes carbon emissions, so no many when you like smell of see, I didn't know this. This I'll just reading the pressure right knowing what you smell aluminium, it produces carbon dioxide, or they've worked with some teams recession. Now they've got process that can basically each produce oxygen instead of carbon dioxide, so that material is now being used in sixty my prior, so that's one way they can. You know they're not needing to offset that edges mystery reducing their of missions right say, and that extends to stuff like their trading programs, and they spoke about before like that easy and the robots that dismantle the products. They said they've got a new one Could Dive Not specifically for the tackling engine, so they're able to recover the like. The Earth magnets inside the tax dinging and reuse them for future funds and stuff, which is kind of like weaving into that. Go I think in It was last year the year before at least Jackson, she said the apple wants to go to closed loop ecosystem where they that would literally mean they're making new products, salvo products, and not requiring new raw materials. That commitment isn't part of this thing. 'cause I think that I think she kind of Overplayed it when when they said it before like it was a long-term term goal, but they don't actually know how. They're going to get there yet. Setback, right? There on the Paul and obviously that's a huge. That's a huge task and it's not included. Notably in this commitment to go companies between thirty side. Presumably, it's going to be further out than that anytime. They can reuse tactic engines or with the MAC. Minis and the Medicare. They ready like meltdown aluminium from. Older products reuse them to make the aluminium that goes into devices right so like anything on that basis helps them. Get towards that closely go, but that's not something that's GonNa. Be achieved anytime soon. We'll see track progress as the as the decade areas on, but obviously. You know apple if they say they're GONNA do they GONNA do this. They don't they don't go back on on this kind of stuff. Yeah, the close loop talk is from April nineteen, two thousand seventeen Earth Day, twenty, seventeen and what what you said is it sounds crazy, but we're working on. It talking about Going clearly says when day we'd like to be able to build new products or she has. We're moving toward closely supply chain one day like build products new pies, just recycled materials including old product so. So yeah, so we're getting there. you know of course important to remember that you can't like. Celebrate the the goals and promises that you've got to wait for the achievement to come through but but but one thing about apple is as long as followed apple. They're. They're good for keeping discussion about about environmental efforts, you know front and center even when it comes to produce a new products, you know they always make part of the. I think they recently, but they. They used to do it as part of keynote where you're like you know here's. The breakdown your check back. Yeah, exactly! Yeah, SO COOL! Anything else on carbon neutral by twenty thirty. Yeah, one of the funny things. If you go in there like apple dot com website. They have this Patriot Elaine. I'm one of the one of the kind of mocking raise feeling is. Lighter right out of the box lighter on the Environment Rowley. Yeah And it shows it shows an iphone box and. Oversee Dick. This is going to be one of their angles for the change that happens with the F. in twelve where they stop including the earphones and the power adapter, they can very strongly make the the argument that this wasteful right like and you can quite literally make a lot of box by including stuff in that box. Yeah, that's funny, yeah! All it all connects together. All Right? Let's talk about the next thing. which is the security research device program This Week? Apple I guess Kinda fulfilled a promise that the before in their delivering these iphones made to be hacked this is all part of the overall picture of Apple slowly kind of reaction, nearly or is a reaction to Um criticism changing how they operate with sort of the the well intent of bug. Hunters there. There's obviously a market for bad intent, buck hunters, but in this case apples you infrastructure internally as Ben. If, you're a buck hunter. It's all bad for the most part there's no. There's no incentive to Do the right thing in this case even. If you do, we won't be responsive. In this case. They've got an official program official devices that are part of this stemming more about about this program. Yeah, like you Kinda hit the nail on the head. This is like the next step in kind of a multi year process be more like friendly and amenable to like the Security Research Kamei bef- you go back three as and APU. was like the Tech Company. That didn't have like a bug bounty program. They were very They would. They would accept you know security bug reports, but It kind of felt distance, and that wasn't good relationships between the the research community who many? which composes a lot of just like enthusiast? People like you May. Just you know doing hacking for fun and they find some you know very serious bugs. The affect the millions and millions of devices that get used every single day, and you know three or four years ago, institutionally apple. Just kind of didn't re care or or they? You know they would. They would do the minimum necessary to like. Take the bike report, and then eventually fix it, and they obviously flared up into the public eye with that group facetime bug report right way you know this random kid discovered it, and then it goes to it, but it turned out. It was ignored over three weeks, and then someone else found about it, and you know that whole rigmarole just kind of like I think it made them. Okay. We're actually going to do the series. He now notice like if we've got serious coming in the context, sit in like a polity mouse for three months before we actually know so right. and. We had a similar issue with the with the kit bark. That must have been what twenty seventeen when yes, you know a friend chaos and he found A. Rather crazy compromised issue with home. Kit Weh. Basically hack into anyone's home, and he demonstrates e by opening your lock right in your in your house. On all. In that case. You needed was the apple ID used for for your home. and. It was like a vulnerability, and how remote remote access was was was handled, and so the fix for that was for apple to turn off remote access for home. Kit until they release an update that fixed the flaw, but like hit the treatment in that case was like You know once. They knew about it. They didn't WanNa talk about it. They didn't want us to talk about it. They just wanted it to exist for like weeks before they could fix it. And not not released like the hot colleges turning off. The Home Kit. From like also posting it, it could have been just left the months right. Yeah and I didn't think that would happen today. Much more aggressive in falling up from reporting, that's very important, and they now compensate people for their time because they have the full bugs bunny program stated in. It pays pretty well last year in the twenty nineteen. conference blackout they doubled most the payouts ready, new higher payouts and one of the announcements in that presentation was the security research device program. which basically means that? Like the IPHONE. Hallways Very Lockdown A. In many many ways, and that can actually make it hauled. Four security is to actually do the job right because they they might find a pantry vulnerability, but they haven't. You know it's like a jigsaw puzzle, right? They might have like a few the corners, but they can't put the whole thing together without testing it and the security Framework Infrastructure and the limitation. Object codes. And having no access to like a show, which is like a come online. Right that that's that's the standard issue with. CUSTOM BLINDS CUSTOMER HOW IS At but if you're trying to actually find bugs. It's helpful to be able to have access to those weaker restrictions while you're actually finding the bug, and then you know making sure still works when you finally get down to a shipping device. You know I mean right. Before now. Oversee Apple's internal security. Teams had access devices. Externally, there was basie no way to get them. Some devices would kind of leak out and get sold on the black market for. Lots of money and some you know security research is definitely you have bought those devices essentially illegally just to make sure they can find these exploits, and but now finally apple has an official program for this way you can. If you are a known researcher who submit bug reports in the past, you can apply to get some of these hardware. Oviously Apple. He's not going to give it to anyone on the street because they don't want to be spread that widely, which is perfectly reasonable, but as long as you have a history of summating bugs to apple. Serious enough the having access to this kind of odd would-be important. They say that you'll be legible. They do so. There's only a limited quantity this year. So depending on the number of people apply, you might actually get. They met again, but that Run of his next year. Who knows how many they're going to have two hundred, three hundred. Who knows but it's. It's important that this actually does exist because they promised to. And then there was a rumor actually like late last year. The apple given up on this someone. Just don't sweat like the Tortoise Security Researchers Complain, the upward dumped the idea and I think we like Alstom, and they say oh. We're still working on it. And finally they've delivered it right. base just a good staff and hopefully. You know giving access to the stuff. Give his hardware will eventually result in bucks being found. That wouldn't have been found otherwise. Paul, the commitment of getting this hardware that you must report the vulnerability directly to apple, because they don't want like people getting these devices finding a boggling experience selling it to you know gray shift or one of those companies that then settle into. Very nefarious groups all the police. Will you know that kind of stuff? Right so the commitment of getting? Todd raised. If you do find epilogue poetry to apple. Promptly and then now qualify you for thirty bucks. Off Their done verification, but fingers crossed. Major security vulnerabilities will be found. More easily now and be able to fade back into the security of everyone's devices. I did see one complaint from the Welsh Traffica. He's a developer slash. Haka. He's at chronic. Chronic on twitter exactly yeah, he has you know. He does a runs a guardian. VPN FIBRO APP for and plenty of things. He had a long history in the community. He said his team on going to get these devices, or they're not going to reply. Because the terms on what you're allowed to publicly a too limiting, which is a you know potential issue, because I don't the details, but if it does too many straitjackets on the research involved, they might just opt out during the program because they want to talk about this stuff with other people and share ideas and stuff, so if it is to prohibit. Artfully apple will ease the policies a bit, but. Obviously having the program at total has to be better than not having right. Yeah, yeah I was going to ask you. About some of the restrictions and requirements I one. D me glosses for this because Gosh. There's the image that they use on their website to apply is like you know code running on the IPHONE. And, is this just like for show I'm super serious. You can can definitely go screw now that one I. if you write your phone and you turn on like verbose mode the sequences like that. Okay? Okay, because if he. On the Mac, you know when you on the Mac I can't remember the exact hold. A key combination going, hold down down when you restart, and it will boo into the both which basically gives you like the terminal show of everything that's happening when you stop, and it looks like that one a maximum in service display, but that that. Point over three. It S and now I o s so you one hundred percent screen. It looks exactly like that. Come and see the thing I'm sure when. If you're doing like serious development, you can like. Plug the phone into a computer and have the same Xiao. Rick reproduced on another screen to see what I mean like like copied. But. Yeah like that literally. Show up again at that size because I've seen the. Yeah. Okay so so good to know I real- I did not know if that was just for show because it looks cool i. some features d'acqua kind of like a the classic Hollywood movies, and it's like they come on line in the time, just text flying by on a black background because it looked so clever. You can definitely get screen at that. Show up on an unlocked. Okay. And then in some of the restrictions some of country stuff so I saw an another person's furious. Chronic is like you know I live in Singapore for half of the year. I can't take this thing out of the country so I'm not interested. It seems like. I I certainly hope that from Apple's perspective, they have a list of candidates. They think this is going to be useful for And they consulted with them on what are the restriction because from what I can tell from to judge the twitter observations are There are people who I would know identify as like the reliable people to go to for the stuff, and for you know like with chronic kind of. Well with this really wasn't made for them. I guess based on on the restrictions so. Yeah. You'd hope they would have consulted with them. Some of the prominent groups that you know what what policy can we implement the? Doesn't give you free rein to. On ebay but Actually useful TA. Because one of the biggest contribution of security vulnerabilities of maids can vulnerabilities in is is Google Project Zero Teams? They're the ones that find like the zero day exploits the message and stuff, and so I'm sure they would love to have access to. You know unlocked hardware because they're the remove live og code execution restrictions means that you can develop a tool that you can. Can Run on the phone to perform debugging from testing, and that just really helps you speed up your process of actually working out. Is that a rope underbelly hidden could exploit on a normal advice. You do your testing you need about, and then you try on route, advice and safe. It works when there's restrictions reimposed Sidon Stephanie yet helpful if you can get your hands on it and. I can only hope that they the policy is is free enough that he's actually beast with people and if it isn't. I think we've seen APU you know adjusts themselves in an adapt like for the longest time. That wasn't even like a arrest. Bennie programming lost finally. Formalized by bringing fully open systems, but Even when people complaining about it that they kind of like back doors or side does into the system where you know we like he, you know. We know you'll legit so if you do this. We're still give you some money. Even though there's an official program and say maybe that will happen here like they've they've come out with. In Classic Apple Fashion, Rose, way you have to like stapley down to a table for tab, but they might you know. Responding to the market. Sure, so and it seems seems based on the fact that they do have a limited number of these devices, and they'll have a second round next year. The next round and twenty twenty one for applicants that that that would be the point where there needs to be changes to the program based on who can and cannot participate. That's when we probably see changes. Yeah, I do think. Since they clearly redoubled efforts to be more. 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Yeah absolutely linked in has been sponsoring for a long time and I always appreciate look forward to it all right now for the super for this we can handle with the news is I S. fourteen Beta three is available. I'm running on the IPHONE. Mac Os Eleven. Big Survey threes available earning that on the map of pro and. I guess it can came a day after we might have expected them, so there's a little bit of like a a wait for them. in my experience Beta. One was like really awesome Beta two. There were changes that were rockier than the first. Beta, just in terms of stability Beta three so far so good like got a really bad problem on on Mac. Os Beta to where. Connecting to display or disconnecting would eventually. Kernel. Panic your Mac, but not immediately so you had some window of time. To work before the fans go like full blast, and then your computering off, shut down, yeah! Jen. Rua people have said the. Ibis was fourteen is pretty stable, but Catalina Stupidity Boggiano Catalina Still Pretty Yeah I. Think bigs are always Kinda think. Always can get that comparison to. To Iowa in terms of in terms of stability and maybe it's just the nature of what you do on your on your Mac, compared to your phone of this kind of like my hunch. Is is that you know you just do much more? You can do different types of stuff and much more on your back and so yeah. Said this year. The visual design for macaroni is pretty significant, so. For that to be bug in the system right because they've now, they've had to rechange lot of things including Viacom's yeah, and in terms of what's new one thing I was looking for a two was the the clockwork that shared office part of Iowa's fourteen on the iphone and ipad at WDC, and that is here in Iowa, fourteen Beta three Did you notice any changes to the clock icon? Since the previous Beta because Beta to added like the Apple Watch caulk hands to the coughing. I've just got used to it. Yeah, but I don't think the. Doesn't really match the clock which though? Kinda Kinda feel like. Maybe. Maybe it's the weight of it. If there's like a white outline around, there's not maybe it's just the mountain now, but. I kinda feel like it's not quite the same, but. I? Think he's probably just like the size of the. Indices of the numbers can be different on the we. Jitney the icon right because the Arkansas. SMO-. The numbers have to be ready SMO-. Whereas on the widget, the numbers could be bigger and they probably big relative to the size of the circus. Have it just as their portion and say like on the on the icon, the thicker. Hands Cans they kind of cover up the numbers more whereas on the widget. You don't get problems much right and you can. You can kind of see it when you look at like. The full size widget is like a single clock or multiple count. Multiple clocks an oral like four on one by one grid. So that's cool. I like that consistency with the branding of we make the outrage which has analog faces. Here's an analog face world clock. It did I didn't think about it, but of course the clock, which is like the widget for world clock, not like just. Here's the time. So it had to display in central time living. In Biloxi that I had to use Chicago like the nearest point of reference for time, and so my widget has c. h. i. on it and you know it's probably going too far. Let you customize that like a watch. Right right right, yeah, but so, but that's one of the changes air that I was really happy about. Guest. One of the big things is the music APP icon. which mostly goes back to what seven? Minus the total gradient, but it's the came same color theme. But, but you know to our delight. It's not a colored. Symbol on a white background. It's quite the inverse. It's sort of a white symbol on a colored background. Yes, the history here is obviously from you know. Originally, the music APP was the I put up. That was way back in the day, but it was always kind of like orangey ready. Hughes right I would assume is five out of six to seven is. It was kind of being the orange and red same. When they went to Iowa seven. It was like an you know just like. Oh, the stock icons in originally seven land. It was a very harsh read to like light red gradient like orange, the the extremes that they went for very pungent colors initially, and then they slowly tone that back a little bit, so it was kind of lights or read into darker red, and then I eight point four came around which introduced apple music, and they ditch the red thing entirely for the rainbow effect on the white background, and so we've had that icon. For generations now five years. Five Years Approximately Yeah There are a couple of music APP apple music APP icons that are currently in use. One is at I think it's like apple music for musicians or something like it's like you are the the publishing side, and the ones apple music for business, and they're both sort of you know variants of of what we've seen before, but neither of them I believe are white backgrounds. I think the business one is a black background with the gradient music note, and then the artist version is the gradient is the background with a white music note. Right that one's my favorite. One's quite nice. I like this current one to like. feels good on the phone like when you're using it for sure. Yeah and. Obviously they'd kind of embrace the rainbow effect. Spur whenever you just do like four different colors, the grading you kind of lose the the Punchy Nece, whereas if you can just say like the music APPs, read you know I mean, and he's not, and he's not just a flat red. There is a gradient to. It's just so. But it has this kind of light branding stall that you. You can't really convey when you're always having Ford it like flower power. Four different colors mix together like now they can do kind of like how they. The Red for the cellular Apple Welsh they can have like the apple music name, just color in red, and will have a law brad identity, and they can follow through. Now with the icon changing and Yes it. The pretty cycle. That's ever graceless planet right but. It's all relative. It's fine and is to me any any change away from a white background. I Cohen is a hundred percent a win light share even if it was an ugly icon, outstare prefer it just because it's going away from the white background. These ones like non-offensive. Is it perfectly fine, and and they have a nice complimentary on big. Sarah's well basically the same icon, but they put some. To make it look at because they. Have a bit more depth to them so they they basically shadowed glass of the music to make it look. Engraved into essentially. Which is nice and I think very welcomed. The TV OS new. Come out as well so I presume so say changed on 'cause on on Apple TV. The white background icons even more annoying because they kind of ruin the point of the power locks effect right so. Like the original, the original apple music icon on the Apple TV was different. It was like the Rainbow Colors and then beautiful. It was really pretty actually and then like a year into it. They changed it to a wide version. It was like right, because when you have a a plain flat background color, the kind of power like step just completely lost. He just looks like you're moving into. D Say especially when Apple, TV, having the you know the vibrant gray, and it helps a lot because you actually get the proper paradox affecting. It doesn't just stay. Yeah I. have an idea about like. Why did the icon change was fourteen? You know AIDS because there's there's a lot of redesigned within the music. APP and Apple tends to change the iconic the if there's like a big enough change in in the APP itself you know, especially, if it's a service and and especially on the IPAD. They're pretty changed apple music this. Yeah, that's right and then the next thing. Is that the widget used? Used, to be a it would match. It would kind of constant icon was white with a with the music note, The widget was white. If you're in light mode or block, if you're dark mode and now and then podcast to just be purple, and it was always purple, which works kind of in both modes by having it not be a white background by having this sort of you know. Read ten color to it. It doesn't change and so it's less less storing the change it it kind of if you put it right next to the PODCAST APP icon, it's just to. College can recognize and like those colors are those services those types of audio so those are the two things that I think and then you know people. DO PEOPLE DO WANT ICONS? It's been feature request for a long time to have if you have a wide icon changes to black, if you're in dark mode and that's tricky you'd have to design dark mud version because he could could really interfere with like if it's like a black. Logo on a wide icon. It's just going to be a black logo Dark Mode, but any I think just in general like we've long opposed these kind of sort of lazy wide icons You can make them. Be blocked because that's also kind of lazy to but if you can do a color or make the art of the icon the entire icon in some way, then you solve that night, mode or light and dark but problem and that's what this does to. It works both themes because. A low of APPS do offline. customization. said they offer like dot mode version light my version. You just choosing the apple you WANNA use of doesn't respond to damage to the theme, but I don't see apple jumping on that. Because you'd have to have like her APP settings because his people would be like I only liked the Lai icon for this. APP and I don't want the dog Heiko when I go doc I wanted to get in the normal one. You know my icons to be the DOC I don't even when I mean like might say that. That's just like a steady amp was gonna four apple, sure yeah, and definitely if you if you can adopt like this brand theme like the gradients. Let you see a Casa music. Now you get continuity with the widgets. Apple seems to be heavily embracing cholera in Vividness with these widgets. They won't like them to Paul Power, and you just had every single PA big white text on it. It just makes your home screen. Look worse had yeah exactly so if you have the dynamic colors, it definitely helps, and if the widgets mean, apple's going to migrate away from. A flood of wire cones I am for like I. Don't need every single icon to not have a white background, but it was just getting to the point where so many of them? It was Nicole Monroe you definitely see on the Apple Watch like the honeycomb is sewing like I like sorry, come grid, but when Hof the icons are just like white with a with an icon in in the middle comes hard to distinguish which. Really what happens, there is that it's it's You know an Android at the iconic shape, and so you're putting the icon within a restraint, and it really makes us total icon size, which on the has meant to be like spur visual intangible You're making the actual icon size. You know a percentage like you know twenty percent smaller than what it needs to be so even functionally. It's not good so. If you if you're going to have the same shape for every icon. You need to have variety in the actual designs of the icons. They coach on ob. White backgrounds like calendar can be. Why Safari got the white but kind of like Music News? All of them eighty becomes too much, and it just starts looking. At it looks like Z. and be starts having usability problems because you'd find out how to distinguish between them, Yep laissez woke this a couple of things one is I did find I. You know I had to live with the other icon where it's white background, ingredient, music icon, and I I always found some balance there with putting music between I think podcast and twitter, and there's like some blue on one side. It's in twitter, the other or blue and purple. You know on either side and it was Kinda like blend, but that was like the least I could do with that. And now I can have any color arrangement and infill balanced, so it's a very particular thing but but you know. It's a win that I had the white icons of soap so good. And then the last thing on this is thanks to. Everyone needs to eat it. Both of us about this because anytime, somebody tweets both of us together. We know it's about the show. And in this case, there were a number of tweets about like celebrating the white icon being. We. We love that you get it. Means, a lot to. next up in in in the in the new version at another system new mask styles Let's that's part of the guess. Part of the Beta process, going on, and people had a pretty nasty bug with storage has been resolved since since the first two Betas and then I know the the widget page on the first screen on on my home screen zero. It's been designed to look more like not just happened on. This is part of the overall system yet keep tweaking how the old legacy widgets look on that page. Because yeah, you have the new modern widgets that can be small. They can be fully wide. That can be by four. Placed amongst the icons, but they're still at least this year. Letting you have your wages probably for combat, but reasonable cc done just that you're fighting a widget, vanish the old style, so those those ones can't be re size or anything, but and they can't be moved off that screen. They just said the bottom and in the I like by is. It was they were like stuck with the ball, and but they kind of hard for like a regular user to really know the difference, and so in three now when you go into edit mode. As a very. Very clear like border around it with it's like the old wages are than one big new witch. It yeah yet not let background on you show. Is that when you editing? If you're? If you're just looking at the embassy, you jiggle mode. The background comes in so it's very clear like he's this section of all your out stuff and you can customize in the. Really you go, usually you know the new shiny stuff about yeah. Yeah, I like what they're doing. It's getting up. You would expect. And the new update. The other thing is really with Iowa fourteen relates to watch seven, which is at www, whenever the announced automatic can Washington detection, and like I said d like air quotes on automatic. Detection but they they have the handwashing feature where you know, it will try to determine that you're washing your hands and run a time every twenty seconds to make sure you don't stop before it's. It's totally effective. And they mentioned that I think it'd be like location basis well so that when you leave home or at work at the this would be. Time to be notified. Not just when you're washing your hands, but also hey, you should wash your hands now that you've changed locations and that's that built to watch a seven. And I was fourteen Betas three and it's an optional thing to right like you don't opt into it. You don't have to. You. Don't have to live with it. You can turn it off. You can have just the automatic reminders when it notices the hand motion. Or you can have the location. Ones you come home, it and you don't wash your hands. It's like you should hands now, so you can eat the rural. Oh nine, so yeah, but it requires an apple watch right like even because I was thinking about this, and even if you just had an iphone, there are so many features from the wife's that also work with the iphone on its own I don't think hand washing one of them, but you could have that location-based reminder I mean you could. You could string together on your own, too, and I guess the reason it's not on the IPHONE, only because it also it wants you to do the twenty seconds thing. Because the idea is the. Weren't no value. The moment you will hear the door. It will give you the only if you haven't yeah exactly I. Don't know if you've washed your hands, whereas can do it, and then if you haven't done it, remind you to do. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Anything else from from from I was fourteen to three this out to you this week I mean there was a monitor like you know. This is the classic Beta three where they shove some things around they fixing bugs. By, the big stuff was the stuff. Yeah, Yeah Yeah. Music I kind so called. It's actually like it so much that I put together. I was doing I was fourteen one home screen with You know some changing widgets, and then like total of eight icons, but in different arrangements you know four over here and a grid for here across and then the dock and there was home screen zero for the old school widgets. For now. And then I'd say over, and it was just. The APP library which I really enjoy but now I'm doing a second home screen for the biggest music widget, and then the like two by four podcast widget and I reject that before because it was either all white enlighten mode, which I use during the day for liability, or you know then it of look at night when it was black, but nonetheless color, it looks as good as the Pike. Pot Farro other reasons. We discussed, so we've got a new home screen in the mix. Just because apple changed the icon and affected the widget so. Cold. All Right? Let's talk about Macas big survey to three Another railways virtual decisions. That's true. This came out later in the day, which is weird, but typical for MAC OS. Happens all the time It took forever to get this to install for me. a a bunch of times had like the message like it couldn't install on this I in a Mac Os and then. When I finally did get it to install. It was like the entire Os installing over itself again like I was going from colleen to big Sur. But. Let's say like five hours later. This is why they released it late because it was like after work hours five hours later. My Mac my Mac updated. and. There's a few things like one of the first things he would want to go. Hunt down was what is that that crazy battery which look like or bad battery icon, insistent preferences and the battery setting, because it was just like atrocious before it reminded me of like Tesla's old Ui before it had kind of the ISLA seven era. To it two thousand one clip from marks of word or something. It's all the same. The new one It doesn't matter how you feel. What the new one just that it's better and. It's it's. It looks it fits in with the rest of the OS. So I'm glad that the Internet Kind of kind of affected that change because. Tonight like APPA was satisfied with the icon when they ship the first bite. European play a placeholder image. I mean because he's a so far apart from the one. They've changed his well like yeah. The Odom was just literally like a green gradient with the with the percentage written over the middle of it, and now they have someone who's actually being drawn by analysis. The other one had to be. Out But you're you're right. Here if he's if he's going to be a place I, can you think I just wouldn't include an icon Lee blind something? But maybe maybe someone really thought that I was going to be acceptable, but. So the the errors in that way, yeah, so I I saw. All the people who were on on big survey to three before I was like that's the thing that people went to I didn't see a whole lot of reaction aside from that of like what what was a kind of a top level change but it it did seem like just from the work situation among ninety five Mac that not many people were run into Beta or we're in the Beta on notebook, or at updated the Beta, and so I I was just like I shared. You know things here and there and I was like Oh there's there's the music icon for Mac os big surge like it is on on us. I took a screen shot. You know just normally, and I loved the new screen shot sound, and was big, Sur and Beta one to Beta three I. Don't know if it's a bug or not, but it's it's one of the new sounds plus the old sound, and so you can, you can imagine that's not ideal. Having two distinctly different sounds the the new one was like. Generic computer sound. It was just like you know kind of a kind of a beep sound but it was pleasant the. Old One is like. You know you take a picture and you. You do the film real stuff and it's like that that realistic camera sound Which? I on Iowa's fourteen never change it to the new sound, because because Iowa's fourteen doesn't get any of the new Mac. Os Sounds IOS seven was the they got new sounds for Iowa us. and the screen down is always like the camera shutter button. In this case, it's like the. sci-fi sound plus the film real and it's not. Yeah. It's gotta be a buck because it's so bad that I can't like either reverted. If he didn't think it was the right thing to do for a screen shot couldn't choose, so we gave you both of them. Yeah, because it's just like this distinctly different sound stacked. But. My my my view on that is that the news is excellent. The debate to excellent compared to the camera sound. I, absolutely loathe when I take a screen shot because I take a lot of screen shots for work obviously and. You know somebody's walking by or somebody's like you know the cafe back when you go places and. You do a screen shot in your way up, and you think about it, 'cause you're playing anything and it sounds like you just suck a picture you know because there's no camera visible, and I hate it so to. Disassociate, taking your screen shot with like taking a picture of something in your environment. I am all for that, you know. So hopefully. Resolve that again marriage better I notice on my map pro in i. t Betas that they were showing you. Pretty unreliable, but at least it existed estimates of like how long battery life would last until it died, and how long until charging This was obviously a big reversal compare two years ago when they were then when they. Took that feature that a long featured that pretty much always existed away because they thought it wasn't a an accurate representation, they took away with the huge map prime because people upset the bachelor life insurer rate, and the reason was that you know that a number of factors can change. They know what you're doing right now. In verses thirty minutes from now indexing all the stuff, so they took it away. It was back in and Beta one Beta, two big Sur. It's gone on Beta. Three I think gone is what will ship and I think it'll be a distinction of. Arm total gas, but like my reasoning, but we talked about before was way brought back. Because the Mexican have related by our life right so they're gonNA. Want, to compare. But I think the middle ground. They might actually take in this case unless it was just totally a fluke and it just won't come back, is that? You. Don't get your battery life remaining on on beyond percentage on Intel, because it's not gray and is never going to be grey but we'll show you on. On an arm chip. Compare if. One of them's not going to show that show I mean the exactly right and they'll still sell Intel MACs and for a long time, and then they'll sell support until Max for even longer time. So. Maybe if you follow the conspiracy theory, the I move there because they were embarrassed by the bachelor being sure and there would be. Ample reason to bring it back when the Bachelorette gets rid good again I the Max out. That's right and then, and then you know I. Guess the kind of counter argument against that is that there's not an equivalent of battery life, remaining or time until charge on I thought an ipad right, and that's you know apple's check. Yeah, papers! Get Gail. You'll move it right. Yeah, so maybe he's is a fluke that they put that. They had at there and it was just a part of changing the Menu Bar Control Center of being a thing so i. mean it is true. That has been accurate anyway. Like depends on what you're doing. It can just. If you browse the web you're GonNa, have longer battery life. If you suddenly stop rendering a video is going to go white down so your estimate. How long patch goes relevant because he can never really know what you're going to save. The thing that you do not want to do I've experienced in this Beta is so I think in the minibar. Your battery percentage just can't be shown. As as a percent sign like the number, it's just the icon Eva. You know interact with it to see the percent which is the default before, but you could turn on the percentage, and I'm okay with that like I get by but I would look at it and see oh I'm in the red, and this has got thirty minutes so I'M GONNA. Keep doing what I'm doing for for like twenty minutes and then you can plug in and then the Michael between now and then so you just cannot make your plans based on that. So. It makes sense to yeah. Yeah, it's it's no big deal. Uneven in machelandon mean you're going to get more accurate time estimate so sure. Yeah, it'd be a bigger. Number to start with. Yeah, yeah, all right. I. Think that's it for Michael's mixer. Yeah for the week. Okay, let's talk about some some arm stuff so the first thing on. The discussed is. You know this idea that apple is for years they've been. They've been building their chips on the arm. Instruction set and you know for iphone and IPAD now they're gonNA. Do with Max starting as soon as starting later this year So so why does an apple just by arm? And then they the even only instruction set like? Is there a benefit to that or not and then that would also affect gas. android phones. The mobile devices use arm chips like so much arm chips, so that apple would be. They benefit from receiving. I guess licensing fees from that. And fast forward to now is that's kind of the idea. Yeah because Softbank. Who owns at the moment is trying to actively sell it off and say yeah. Buying is caught up. Yeah, and the I mean the idea was like you know. It's always Florida's like was going to switch, and then they won't be by the whole thing and now actually is for sale. It's like Oh what about apple you know. And there seems to be this report out this week. This comes from Bloomberg that. That wasn't impossible. It was actually discuss, but there's no plan to even actively make a bit much less actually. Complete the purchase right. Yeah, and it seems like Navidi is GonNa. Make a serious bid, so they might be eventually it and. Like. I don't think apple could ever acquire on. Any benefit to them and get away with it from A. Pay standpoint like. I'm pretty sure it would just get rejected by the approvable. It's because you can't. You can't buy the instruction set, and then to shovel your competition from the like. Yeah, everything world relies on architecture. Regularly you know whether it's Europe or the US or anyway would let you know the biggest company in the world, essentially the biggest, the biggest ONA ovum devices, the biggest devices just by the instructions, and then immediately like cutting offer everyone you probably negotiate an arrangement where apple bought it, but then they still agreed to let other people licensor right, but that point where they buying it for so. Pointless. The point there I guess it'd be if they think it was a a business. There's there's a revenue stream in that business. That's worth it but Softbank selling it for a reason because it's not. Worth it for them. Yeah, like apples. Apples selling the hardware that uses the technology. There's way Mammalian in that than just licensing t everyone else. Yeah. Is there, any risk and I guess would invidia depends on who buys it but. You've got assurance that it could be. It wouldn't be Google. Or Intel or someone competitor? He would close it because they they wouldn't close it off and get by with it and. The, US alone in Europe alone. It'd be so much trouble with that. It wouldn't be possible. But is there any interest is there? Is there any risk in somebody incompetent buying it and it just all goes wrong. What apple ten? What is apple's reliance on arm and the instruction set? And how does it change your year? INVIDIA very good candidate for buying it and maintaining it, but could it. Could it go to the wrong hands, and that negatively affect apple? Yeah, that is a good question like. I think in the Modern Day apple depends on arms doing. Very at arm's length. To use the to use the. Like they have they have adopted some. 'CAUSE 'cause with the with the APPALACHIA for chip in the apple, a five chip like the original the original ones they were basically taking the arm designs off the shelf, and just rebranded them with slight with very minor tweaks and shipping them as apple's chips right because I'll make like designs, which could the cortex processes, and so the four and five were basically reference designs. The apple branded has their own while they were like spinning up the silicon vision rights before they side seriously designing their chips. They basically just requiring existing designs for the Amish made already using them, and you know full day I found in the pet, and even John's journey Sarraj's admits this, because if you watch the WWE, he starts talking about that time line of custom silicon at the five eggs, which was the first year they went just like strike cloning the on stuff right, so but but but design like premises of the armed chipped. Think architecturally do actually still come into the phone like the whole. Like the big little design where you have some high efficiency codes and some performance oh. Yes, I'm like low-power high-efficiency goes I just like role performance, so the idea to get back to your life, but just depending on like the the four or five efficiency. When you don't you need to be serious and then doing hard computation, you can then get the performance out of the phones, because that like big little architecture originated from arm and say when after I did that, that was like. Apples interpretation over another arm reference design, so I think there is a potential damaging effect. If someone bought them an almost innovating at reference designs. In the Modern Day. I. Didn't let that become a problem like that already designing silicon at such a level with A. They probably. Don't read all many more apart from licensing stuff. Right and I'm sure. Like these private negotiations, but there's no way the. APP was licensed on can just be terminated if someone else buys them and guess fed up right, they will have A. Many year perpetual license to the to the to the architecture and instruction set like I. If it's ten years fifteen years five years, they'll have the like companies of. Billion dollar companies don't have such open weaknesses in that business models, where if some random some company that depend on gets out that businesses screw like that's just not gonNA happen, they will be you know. Maybe it's maybe it's a licensed. Current infrastructure instruction sets forever, and if they make changes to renegotiate something along those lines right the risk of a bad company buying it, and then just giving up on it, it's just it's just. It's just not gonNA happen, that's. And maybe down, maybe if if you know video bore set, apple started pondering the idea of. Do we really Jeez? The ARM instruction set? Maybe we can design instruction Silverado, and potentially likes really apple silicon. Yeah, make it like even more. Today, dot again we'll. Transition Process, but what you probably find. Is that like apple can design. In the on the long. Time CEO. A new instruction set back compatible. The OSA has what they need and they already do that. To some extent today we've custom and stuff so. Like practically. Risk the. The. Chinese companies by arm and then you. License challenge to anyone or replaced that with any any company in the world like that is just not going to happen. Is there are some? Is maybe some more noises that might come up if some company buys it. And then they stop innovating on the designs and apple doesn't have referenced sons fullback on places where they need it, but you know possibly, but I think I think it's Mo- like. Apple is a good company making silicon, and that you know that that be industry like changes to the way alum works probably affect. Apples compares apples, self sure. Yeah, yeah, well, there's less customization happening. Yup just much resource they can, they can work around resources, stuff, right and the core issue I have seen the you know floating around whereas like Apple Nevada, don't get on very well as we see an GP's selections right. If Nevada or maybe they turn coach odor to Apple. The Not let them licenses. Nemo! I think. It's like a fairytale like the the contractor arrangements were not happen. It's just impossible and the were. Characterize the disagreement between that bulletin invidia because I know that. Reputation on. It just tends to be that. My, my my hunch would be out in videos and interested in targeting Mac. or it's a business relationship where apple prefer like a better deal from what amd is. The the alternative. Yeah, currently right now the. They rely GPS when the episode Matt's come out. It seems like they do go to fully custom in-house. GP's as well Is that why they don't. Of It, there's also just like a fisa thing where. Who? Wanted to retain the right I believe to like sign off on the drivers that going to Mac Os individuals to that and they were like you know. We want to design the drivers how we want them to be designed. It never goes back in the day like twenty ten, twenty seven. They did use video GP's. Clearly there was there was a breakdown in communication somewhere where maybe video wanted to do something apple didn't like it, and they blocked it from happening and then. Nevada wouldn't change then. Apple switched rammed. Now by because they couldn't come to come to a deal right, so yeah, we. Can Transition. I could have seen a world where they go back guitars and video, and did the same thing like because they even support video. Like Nevada wanting to support external gps right like for that that kind of stuff and they, you know they they. They go along a little bit in that domain, but. For the pro-market oversee, people would prefer Navidi way more than MPG. Inside the next like five year timeframe properly say a Daewoo Apple. NYDIA made up, and they started offering options again, but now the apple is doing this transition. It seems going on there. Angie, as whereas there, and so that's kind of window that is gonNA. Bost with their plans, and yeah. You don't have invidia GPA's in ipads. Or Apple TV's gaming. Let's talk about this This this benchmark stuff so This is my take on this, and then you kinda correct me where I'm wrong, but I believe that with the developer transition kit for Mac os big Sur running on an arm on apple silicon. You. Can you know obviously you can try and use like MAC OS benchmark tools, but it's none of it is very accurate because it's all sort of. It has the downside of being emulated or having run Rosetta too, so it's not. It's not a representation of. How fast is this? Mac running native APP. It's. How fast is this APP when it's running running emulated? The difference in what happened then now is that. A contact of ours able to. You'll be anonymous for obvious reasons, but they were able to run an actual. which is part of like the promise of the? Apple Silicon. What's coming. They were able to verify okay. This is the actual instagram. App I'm able to tweak a little bit, and then now can actually run it on this Mac on this on this Mac mini decay What if Iran and wes? Benchmark tool is that would that that would be native and from what we can see now. That's the case what I don't really understand or get a guess is what's the? What's the difference in doing this on vk versus doing this on an IPAD that the ram difference makes it you know the ram amount difference makes it makes it a different results or what? that. That's a fair question because okay okay. I. You would expect the NATO running on the MAC natively. Versus they chose he run the IPAD. It should give. Similar schools. You'd think loud. That makes sense right. But. I see the tool that Ram is one of the things that that is at least listed and I'm not sure if it's just that is listed, or it's relevant. Yeah The the main schools that people care about just like the single core recos and has to do with. Renovated Billy. We see in these numbers the improvement over. Running through as as running because we spoke about is benchmarks on this show two weeks ago and they were getting like scores around eight hundred. Eleven hundred so. It's. Much more in line Aquifer, not talking ahead what the I. Pry cheese they should be. In that range surely because it's those same hardware right? Yeah, it doesn't looking. We can look up at his. It it. It shouldn't be like out of whack unless unless just like the macaroni big. Sarah isn't fully optimized yet for the tip, right? Reason you could have. A discrepancy like that like. It's. This whole thing of running the irs. APPs prematurely is really interested in because like this is a promise full the Max. Officially, you should be able to do this until the full. When the mack out star. Stoltze listing the IRS APPS Rice right, yes. And this hacking I think involves running through. Like downloading the ipad version the APP and then like posting it to the Mac, and then running that like security essentially. The AL security features off concur. Yeah, it's not like you can just if you had the dedicated, know down to the up and. It definitely requires for the financing that people do to to you know kind of reverse engineer stuff. Yeah, but he's really cool to see. The founder is Os and yeah. So excited for these these APPs to be in the MAC. And and they basically going to be like in terms of use your experience that we very similar to like an. calloused where the developer has done nothing to customize them. Like. I considered it but I'm not sure what the answer is. I guess the cassette depends but will be possible. We know it's possible for a developer to put an APP out the run on the On the IPHONE, ipad the MAC and the idea of. The IPHONE APP or they've had up on. The MAC is that it wasn't there before now it is, but what if the map is just not very good, you know. Is there still? I guess it depends on what the developer decides, and but but could you. Prefer the IPAD version over like the fully supported development. MAC, version! You just because you prefer the same features or same layout and everything I, mean I I'm I'm sure there'd be some APPs. Where like the MAC happy? Just consider be very good in the uterus. Rather have the IPAD Virgin. Yes? It is up to the discretion whether they want to list. The IRS APPS on the MAC option. By Defoe IRS APPS in the store, our neighborhood for that so this. There should be you know millions and. Millions of APPS available for on Max. But the develop his shoes off, so you could see like how. An APP isn't updated for the big Sur design yet and that in the short term. The IPAD APP fits in better yet. If. You have like a developer who? Has? Not To date very often. The more popular scenario Old and crusty, but they haven't turned off the option, so you can just run the IPAD APP instead yeah, I'm sure the cases like that. Some of the most popular apps we have to see whether they you know, mean and turn off like instagram right like. I, love. Running natively. I think that's a you know. It's been a joke on the for the IPAD for so long that you can't have instagram being native IPAD APP. You can do the web APP, and you can save whereas a clip, and then it's like. Almost there, but it's not the same and. You can as you can run, the iphone version zoomed way up or just like Santa by a bunch of blocks based on the IPAD, and it's only portrait orientation that landscape. And? It's kind of funny now that you will. We. Will Run the IPHONE APP on the Mac as a window APP. And I think that that there's utility in that that you know if you're managing the social media count on instagram. For a longtime. But you can do the scaled up the IPAD. Ask some tools to manage that as well, but if you just want to use the actual instagram Mapinduzi, know post one thing per day on an account. You've got you know you can do twitter on the phone. You can twitter facebook on the MAC. That's where you can do all these different things on the map, but then for instagram. You GotTa go to your phone to do that. So having that as an APP on the map. There's utility in that so. There's a lot of scenarios where. I'm just thrilled about this change and being able to have that flexibility We did see with Netflix's like. We're not gonNA do a catalyst. APP in that was without knowing that are Mac th that that I found apple to the MAC just by. Nature. Yeah by default because it because it's, it's an. It's an apple silicon Mac. Hardware change, but still. Surely, they won't opt out. Of Turtles. Totally they won't turn off their their IPAD APP from being a MAC APP. I went against okay okay. Unfortunately I think there's like legal things about? Sizes and is that. Is that about because like like marks off office? Has this thing where you're running on IPAD smaller than ten inches? You can use it for free, but if he's bigger than ten inches that you have to pay for and. Maybe Netflix's has an issue where the the legal rights of people say. You can't run it in this Matt. Who Gift Provo 'cause the you know some random arcane rules about piracy. Her instance like there's a lot of just big company. Mess the IT's probably easier for them. Just to off the deliver own. If that makes sense, even just like the support burden of like you know, we want you to use Netflix the website. We don't want you to use flicks. The MAC APP ride isn't read the Madcap Lake. that. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if that he's one of the people who do actually tiny oath, yeah! All of this just talk. I mean regardless of what Netflix's has all of this. Talk about the IPHONE IPAD APP on the Mac. If, the if you have an Mac is completely sells me on wanting in our MAC so bad as soon as they're available. I've been a little bit hesitant as like a need to have a decision. Kind of you know path where it can't be now's available by it. You never places like the sixteen years back, pro that had different features. It needs to be. Like a path of Wall's got to have this kind of have that. Or else I don't do it because I don't need Medicare for example but You know. That's something I think about is like. What are the things that prevent me would be wait for something later lineup to come about because like the leased spoke about. saying that the map prior with so they can. Went become into mid up next year, so it doesn't seem like it's going to be the first. The first one of the first bunch say you have to have some patients if you won't die replacement for the sixteen inch, yeah! All right I'm in a situation where I've hot cornered into a screen screen off mode so. Bear with me while I know my password, but I assume everything's functioning the same. The The whole Kohner is messed. You up at has maybe tend to turn it off now, and of course my password is wrong because I'm putting in the wrong password and that's fun. Yeah glad nothing broke that. We're also here, so that's. Really good test of what happens. When are displayed as you're going to broadcast? Let's talk about some iphone twelve. So this is a really really cool to me, It's kind of I. Guess it's exactly the way that we figured out What would the tennis Max look like this is this is a story about you know. What will the smaller than iphone eleven pro look like Because the rumor this year is is. The, pro. Max gets smaller in the. Max gets bigger right and so now kind of got a clue of of what does that look like in terms of how s looks right for sure. Yeah, like the the iphone ten. Eleven pro. Tennis like Non Max. Those devices have never offered a feature code display zoom, which is where you can basically access you can have the normal screen resolution, or you can scale up a smaller resolution, which basically makes oh the content bigger. the never is offered on the plus, because basically the plus phones emulate the resolution of the nonplus version seventy with Max emulates the dilemma. Private Savita Max with. Human. Zoom mode. The screen resolution to that prior, but the IPHONE ten. Eleven pry have never had like a small sibling to emulate in terms of the resolutions never offered the option, but it turns out in this latest by air virus fourteen. You can actually enable displays him. That seem scale, and it's using a new resolution that we haven't seen before an iphone jazz, nine, hundred, nine, sixty by thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine across, and so seems. Pretty likely that that is the resolution of this upcoming phone factor, five point four inch fine and say if you have an eleven pro right now like I do, you can turn on displays. And you can see what we think. The screen off be zoomed op in terms of physical size, but in terms of the amount of content you can see on screen at the same time. We think we know what the five point four inch front will look like. Okay and then what we did here is. in filling against it, but you can go to the site and see, but it's A. It's like you know a real comparison to scale of this. Is The iphone eleven pro this? Is that that phone this is how much smaller like physically which we know from which we believe in from reporting the rumors. With quo, for example, and then match that with this resolution, and this is what you'll get right so. Really big clue how the U. Iot APPs like in most places, it's fine because of bigger than life. The four phones in terms of resolution so because I put on zoom mode, and just checked around the principle of any lightweight truncation stuff share. It mostly seems fine at like in the mail APP you know when you press reply and it comes at like twenty options, and the Topotecan has like four things in a row like straight across. That gets redesigned, so it's to into. Abbott isn't a truncation of awkwardness. Because of the most part. This upcoming well. This becomes the new default mood that we talked about it for years, and the podcast will like. The SEC never got Iowa's designed for it. Because by that point, they moved on to larger phones. There's truncation Galore. The plus and Max phones, and never been like the most popular phones, so you don't get Iowa's not taking full advantage of that design, wise and so, what was the? At first? It was the iphone six size, and you know, and then when the iphone ten that became the default. It change a little bit whenever you have the ten are and eleven non-pro because it's the same resolution as the as the Max phone just not the same screen size, so no, sorry just to. It's not the same as luge the same. Deficits Lucien, but it's. Like logical points size, but he's not is three xmatch to X. Here yeah, the layout of everything on the screens the same, but it's not the same resolution, yeah! Yeah not a sharp but right. It's the same layout well. Yes, which is like what you're designing around, so? In, this case, you know, maybe maybe that means that because eleven is the kind of the mainstream phone that's where I always designed becomes to four and this this full pro that's smaller than the eleven pro- It's not the most affordable phone. It's higher end. I wonder if. You know how I was going to be affected. Because it does take the target from iphone, six screen size typhoon ten screen size to now it's it's smaller than the default you know in the deal that truncation like he would on an on an se phone. Yes, good question I think in general the the issues of like screen size optimization get less screen. Get bigger writer, so there's a threshold that we've had. Where may not be a problem that anyway? Yeah, like the SE was problematic, because it's just smoke right and it was just a narrow narrow. An apple was designing for like four point seven inch friends predominantly, and so the SEC would just have truncation center. When they were folks for seven inch, it felt like the plus phone the five point five inch phone. was. Being, screen used to the full effect right because. It felt just everything was really stretched out where they could have more. And more features. And we've seen that Kyron with the Max turns to address the this year with stuff like picturing picture. That's definitely a great feature to Adam Chevy to the big fines, but in terms of just like layout, problems or things looking bad I don't think when you. Bigger than like. The The plus phones in terms of resolution, which is what this one's deal is, even if you know very slightly smaller than physicals is, you're not gonNA. have layer issues of stuff just not being able to fit. If you know I mean yeah. Okay. It's really interesting to see what the absolute lack on this finest now, and because it's such a different resolution, it means the third party. APPs allow boxed. Okay yes, until the APPS, update this fo When apple announces the size or the Thad Pie APPs won't be food screen on the five point four inch fine. They have Toubon law boxing. Yeah, I see that now with. The I WANNA go to so it's like running. INSTAGRAM IPAD a little bit not that dramatic, but a little bit. Yeah, and obviously the third pie address that size yet so it's not that far. Right exactly yeah. This is a really good way to test it so if you're running the Iowa fourteen Beta, three or two, then you can, and you have I found. What is it ten ten or eleven pro? Yeah, then you'd be able to go into the settings and display turn on Zumo, D- and then, of course it's a bigger tap target than you actually get, but it's the same amount of Ui that you'll get in terms of where you can touch things and helping to late out so. This is a good test. Run for me because you know. You can decide. Is this too much? It's just not enough as well, too much isn't gonNA problem. There's just not enough compared to what I'm used to. I like the current like Finland price is not the maximum well one but I used as displays for good like fifty minutes, and I didn't feel like it was i. felt like I could live with I wanted to. Do you know what I mean? It didn't constrained and accessibility wise. It's good to have this as an option because before me mentioned the top of the discussion. Displays Zoom has always been a feature that work because you're using a larger phone and you could go back to the smaller phone's interface on the larger screen, and so just just happened to work that way and in this case. You know with with with Iowa's fourteen. It doesn't matter if you if you ever needed that smaller phone or any of that, you know. Basically what I'm saying is, they can never release a smaller iphone. And this is that you can use right now. Yeah, and it has value like exactly right if you if you're. Someone who has bad eyesight? The defoe like goat goto solution would be to change the text size, right. Now need help so much because. For stock if you might take size ready big, the controls don't change around it, so just look stupid right, whereas if you changing displays him saying the whole you is in proportion to each other, so you still get the same layouts of each icu of each item basically on the screen, but there are slightly bigger this especially true for like you know the keyboard right. If you change the tech size on the keyboard, the keyboard do anything. He just stays the same, but if you're displays hymning the keyboards game physically bigger so easy atop dog, especially, if you're older, you kind of space seems a good feature like. My GRANDPA uses a iphone. Eight now at the you know the standard seven inch at five, and he is he he's. He's not just his eyesight. So just his big thing is, and he's not used to screens, so we use displays him on that, and it's way better experience, and if it was the native resolution than yet, because it's just stuff slightly bigger and doesn't put things out like what happens when you make text is really big. You know the really clever as if apple just in an update. Sad we now starting this fall, and I was fourteen will support display zoom on You know I, Don eleven pro iphone Ten s iphone ten? Because it's been here on the Max phones been here on the on the eleven for example, but you know you don't have on on on the that line. And they just said a bit you APPs for. And then so many out just be ready when the new thing comes out regardless of the announcement and release period. They should have done that W. If if We're GONNA. Add your three people are GonNa make the link. The is probably the resolution for the new. Find Anyway, so they should have done that in June just said look routing and displays option. This is the resolution. Make sure your support for the vote. Yeah, because I really do not think this is looking at all. Other on other phone the guest, the fact that the founder you're just bicker, it makes it look a little bit more comical if you're used to the tighter, you I. When you get away from actual because ability, reasons but in this case. Comical just looks like it's edge to edge content. No, it reminds me of kind of the IPAD screen options where you have like the denser one, or you have the stuff ready icons. We got a big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree without you could even crank your texts size back down from the default, and then you just had bigger touch targets and. Toll A. it's kind of like changing your Your Mac book pro resolution from the default back down to like the actual resolution of your display right? It just look it looks bigger but sharper. Yeah this. In this case, he's not up at Trafford. Base, the same same, exactly the same idea of taking a different logical resolution distraction you to fit because select on the map pro. If you go to those smaller sizes, stuff gets. That's exactly what it is. All, right? Let's see if I can get out of here Twelve staff, so there's a story this week on what the battery capacity could be. So, what's that all about? Yeah, it seems like the capacity is getting smaller. At least one I twelve moto with a penny feature, a two, thousand, seven, hundred and seventy five million power battery, which would be the lowest in the wall, 'cause like the eleven about three thousand. The iphone eleven non pros about three thousand the tennis match. The tennis was twenty six fifty eight, so it's going onto that range. seems like a regression, but again it depends you know comes down to. The efficiency of all the other components right like bachelor. He's not Saudi dictate you by battery capacity? If you have an if the fourteen chip is more efficient, they can get away with him to small battery, and still having the same, so it's an interesting that they've gone quiet. It's not just like slightly down. It's like did it will. It will make youtubers mad. He obviously people gap sabotage, but in terms of real world impact. We'll just have to wait and. And see in the focus, especially in the light of the fact that these funds are GonNa, have five G. stuff. Five G. Radios through that tend to use up batteries. The batteries getting smaller is kind of weird, but I don't WanNa make a Marinette of Mojo Mojo on this one too soon. Okay, and then we talk last week about the bread lightening cable coming with the you know leaked out of nowhere like okay now. We seem to have seen it. Yes so in this picture you can find on the northbound. The black cable is the one that currently ships with the Twenty Nineteen Map Perot because they that's they breed. Yes yeah okay now that many just different different than the home pod cable in that it's it's a removable cable that works with things besides the power outlet in your house. Yes, so the the twenty nine hundred matt pro comes with a bright light into USCC Cabo and so in this fighter. You can see that Cabo next to the new one. One which will be the one that's supposed shipping where the twelve and it looks just like the the outlines usb cable except he's now Brady, which should improve durability is not clear. If they're gonNA ship this cable with every motor, because of see right now, the eleven prime primax get the USB cable whereas the base level eleven to has the USB cable. if they do ship US everything you can have more of that problem of like. People just generally don't have challenges in abundance whereas they do. Have you know Oh star rectangle USB around the place say. It would be kind of old if they do that. The the the dream attract this. God at least out. Did you delete? They deleted yeah. Not, there in the in was not a live in store. Maybe it's not. Yeah. That's funny well. Okay, so that's there's a live update on that story, but. Backtrack from that and you do have the idea from last week that there would be this. This cable in there just might not be the one that we're looking at. It might not be the imagine as a slightly different brady cable. Yeah, yeah, we're all brady cables though Brigham bring him on. One. It's been run along with this week on. It's been a few minutes. reading our QA on Youtube. which if you haven't before, you can always watch the podcast. With video on Youtube, and we usually airs live four PM Eastern Time on Thursdays. Unless I'm traveling which next week I'll be traveling, you know. But! Let's look at some questions here Really on someone asks if there's any signs under display. Say the. Non Zero Right, but it's not in the cards for this year. Yeah, I think that's right like this rimmer by coming back at some point, but I. I want it's. Worse than ever you know, both because of the mask thing you know wearing face covering as we do everything we can to stop the spread of of Covid nineteen, but also you know now that I'm riding the motorcycle primarily I'm wearing a motorcycle helmet, and that will never work, because it's like everything but my eyes. In the helmet I wear. So many occasions now are. Always the case for a lot of people like that, there's a huge market of people that their jobs require them to cover their faces, or their culture requires cover their faces, and so he a non option. Touch ID the same situation where you can be washing dishes. You Work for work whatever? You were motorcycle gloves. Certain case in that case you know fingers face. They fingertips in so having, both it'd be cool. It's always been the case. It's just a matter of pulling it off technologically right? Yeah, I think Apple's property. Waiting to they can do like. Under the screen fingerprint recognition on a wide area of the screen, because of Andrew, parents have onscreen fingerprints should now be still kind of limited like this exact circle where the ball and we'll just the very bottom of the find like. You don't WanNa have that complex and it's just like. Just put your finger on the fighting in the middle. Wherever you want him, you know we can detect an unlock it so i. think that's probably apple is working towards and then yeah, they're. They'll eventually offer a five house by the anti date. Because you never gave a gap puppet face. Eddie system. You Never GonNa. Forget touch on. The but if you can blend the two together and just say like, let us as long as one of these methods or authentic by. You're just GONNA. Have a nicer user experience overall. Mukasa this year, but maybe nexgen phone potentially. Yeah, when they will say. Is You know they do trust you on your? Mac Their trust the system on your Mac that if you unlocked with your passcode once or you're putting your Mac Password. And you're an apple. Watch also unlocked. in terms of your passcode has been put on. Than the wash the MAC and that doesn't apply to the phone or the IPAD, which is so many way like the Mac so like that's that's something that ought to be considered. I, don't see how. They kind of have to change a command because the fact that like. The I. Find The Apple Watch right. Doesn't have to like they kind of maybe can reconsider that so if you. Own You can go the other way round diesel. Yeah, that was. Technically that starts like hot security. Stuff I'm sure they've thought about so. Yeah in the same realm reverse charging the fall that was so heavily rumored expected for the iphone eleven series. Just didn't happen for whatever reason. Said they just to get the software working habit working great like and so it pulled out. Yeah, Samsung Has I. don't haven't seen negative reviews of how it works for Samsung. You think people just don't reuse it health. That's probably probably like is there? But how often are you ready? Like out in the barrier? Guys I'm not going to use my phone if you WanNa chop something on top of it. The layout precarious fashion. Show like? Say, pointless, and if apple was working at the gate and last year, I wouldn't rule that out happening again so. It's not like something. I'm super invested in say and. It's the question room early hasn't returned in the same team that I was last year. Like at all, yeah? Anything, a GIAMBATTISTA. Somebody else can you use the IPHONE APPS on Intel MACs using big. Sur, no, you can't because you're literally running the compiled code directly and the Capella Coats built psalm sixty four, so the interrogation just incompatible with that's why apple has catalyst otherwise. If you could just run the IPHONE APPs directly, they were callous in the first place. Rainbow Ram was asked the in Bay three student SEE DEFOE APP options. We actually have a story on this you can't. She owned November Dot Com and we have a his defoe APP. You I looks like post where we kind of high together to see it it basically in settings for the safari or an email APP. So you don't have web browser on TV up when you go into the settings, painful it. DEF- BROWSE WITH At option you click on that, you can choose between a list of everything since dude and a few guy. We all waiting for apple to actually released like food policy instructions for. Replying be Paul that because right now. A developer opt into the system like you. Probably GonNa need an entitlement and apple hasn't released like the exact rules on who would be applicable, not so it was waiting on that side of the equation to sell out yeah. And question for you. Do you know when you get maps? I mean they said sometime this year, Ryen, so yeah, it's now very firmly in the second half of the year so. Soon I guess yeah. And then I. I don't see it at the moment, but I saw someone and ask. When will the IPHONE Irwin with the fall event? Be Why but you know you assume September for second week as a timber. And and then this year wwe later for obvious reasons, the fall of just an apple press event different than an apple developer conference. So you could see the you know with this much preparation that that they would know when to have the event and how to deal it whether it's totally virtual again or if there is a press involved I think at the current rate based on just what's happening in, California? is going to be. This would be tiredly virtual. On the world it'd be different. California's having a really hard time right now. with the virus, and so I would say totally virtual, and then when is the event In this case I think W. wbz changed mostly because they had produced the alternative events which was so produced. It wasn't just because it wasn't like a factor I. Don't think it was a factor of IOS wasn't ready enough because they'll put out some. Shaky Shaky Betas and then they'll fix them and this year. It was like Oh. These are like Beta to almost one because we were a couple of weeks later. So I think it was just about production. In terms of this, they have enough foresight knowing what's happening in the world that they can produce this thing ahead of time To announce it in and hold the event, however, it's conducted depends on I, guess how soon the first piece of hardware is because they can have one phone phones be. You know October or November and announce them in September as long as they don't have it just be very odd to see a September event first week to hold the pattern, but then say the first phone will come out in, November, October. You know you WanNa, do it within. Three weeks of the first product. You know being able to purchase kind of the idea. Yes, this you, it won't just be iphone either. We at least obviously something with a watch, but I'll. Probably the our math thing and like this year to do multiple events I. Don't think there's one tight event. Yeah like they've lost stuff to get through so. Probably going to have some product ready for September like sure, and then say like the first of the say two motives. The iphone like mid-october than a late prevents yes. In pathway with that, and then they only finds maybe lighten late. November, where the? Kind of just seems to be what the remorse pointing to it the moment like maybe one motives delays. November, but generally the probably GonNa be ready to tell you the site. And normally the events like September tenth. Lie that I, you know. I maybe it's now like the last week. September instead something like that I think can. Probably, walk out because and yeah, you have supposedly. We're going to have a the day, but if they don't do that sooner than the not you've got like the mini staff still in the wing till the wall ought to go beyond the. Pray with silicon. You quite. In the offense. I mean they might have bundle staff sevices subscriptions. September event. I probably would bet on that still and yeah, he's going to be over. Joe. Fisher like. Account into virtually attend. Our podcast this week. If you knew the PODCAST, please give us a rating and review and apple, podcast or overcast or on spotify. We've really appreciate that it helps more people. Discover this show and it helps us keep going If you have any feedback, you can email us at happy hour at nine. 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Upgrade 303: The Return of Two Old Friends

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Upgrade 303: The Return of Two Old Friends

"Relay FM. This is upgrade episode. Three hundred three today show is brought to you by the find folk Lynnette. Door Dash Express VPN and fully. My name is Mike Kelly and I'm joined by Jason. Snell Hi Jason Snell Hello. Mike Hurley. I'm joining you live from. California were in eventually took place but I'm just in my house. You're just at home because it's WBZ time. Time. We are recording this episode basically immediately after www see twenty twenty presentation ended, so we have a basically as much information as you can have from when the KENO and there's more information pouring out as a record today, but this is our immediate reactions, and we can talk more in future episodes about that now if you and you're around here before every. Keynote! We do draft women. Jason set of doing typical predictions. We'd take a look at. Our predictions will be, and then we drop them and pick our favorites and compete to win, and we will now spend just a few moments talking about how we schooled distrust now Jason. I will say. I. Peg you as the winner on this one, which is just great upset to me. I put you up five points to my four points Would you like me to go through that? How I school at this sure sure? I had five to three, so it'll be interesting to see what you gave yourself credit for that I. didn't give for I. Think I. Know What it is at, but we'll get to that I'll put a Lincoln shouts to the draft scorecard. In case you also want to see exactly what all of our picks were but Jason. I have you as correctly picking the on transition would be announced which it was. That MAC catalyst would get some improvements. Which did YEP We see the inside of the Apple Park. Ring we saw it many times. That, there will be new memo options and improvements to Siri. Yes that I was at what you had. All of those those were my five. I really thought I was going to get no gameplay demos, and then they've then an apple person spent about a minute showing off a tomb raider game just to show that co translation in Rosetta running on apple silicon. Would be fine and that. You know I don't argue it. There was game play. He was literally playing a game, so go figure that I lost that one out, but even. Him You ought lost by that point I was still happy when it happened or Changes to the home screen layout on ipad Os. MIDGETS! You can already add widgets. Can you actually? Scream that I saw just had the widgets in the widget area to the left of page. One like it currently does, and I think the new will be there, but like. Is that a layout Cheney now or widgets. And until the point where I believe that the Tim that Craig said. That, you will be able to get these features like on on Iowa's, but maybe you can't Move them around I. Don't know actually I. I look in an even looking at the website. I can't tell so. I think that's question. That's my question is. Did they show those widgets like doing stuff now? Maybe the home screen layout. I mean I. Assume actually. The questions. Did they show it, but I assume that that last page the whatever they're calling it. The library APP Library. It's got to be on the IPAD to Right I. Just what I was looking for images of either of those things on their ipad demo and I didn't see them. Steven says yes, so so you? You get that one all right? Okay? Well, let's. Anyway it still doesn't change the overall score anyway, so maybe I can just have the point, so it's not too much of a gap changing for APPs on ipod. Os and Iowa's think is going to get one, but it showed up on a one of the word bubbles slides, which actually now that? Now that I know this now that we know this is the case that makes the most sense. This is not something that apple really want to do. That you'll be able to change. I think it's email and web browsing but. That is something you will be able to do new apple. Watch faces and enhancements to messages on IOS. They were my four points I gave myself. Yep I agree I agree so once one. That's slightly an indisputable, some concern about that. That I had a west one, but the fact is, it doesn't matter also really loved it. In the members discord, everybody's posting facts from the pages which is beside the point because the. Engine nation, but it's not about as we said many times. It's not about what is true. It's about what we saw in the presentation. There is some question. I believe that it was spoken about in the presentation, but nevertheless we. It didn't change the over a win. This is your second WDC win in a row. Jason Snell congratulations, do you. Breaker I thought that was going to be auspicious when you won the tiebreaker. which was T., Tim Cook be on stage. And in fact he was the only person who was on stage, but he was on a stage in the Steve. Jobs theater so. I thought it was going to go your way there, but you know score five before we. We had one I believe that was like ten to nine or ten to ten with a with a tie-break something like that where we've gotten more, I, I feel like this is a combination of things that took us by surprise, but also as being a little bit more, a bold and risky with some of our choices, but either way. Thank you for Aknowledging that I am the winner. Because something that we we both, we both had some hardware really picks, and there was no Ahmed today. No hardware thing and it was macro macrolide for both of us. You predicted new I`Ma can I predicted new apple display, and neither of those things happen. We're GONNA. Talk, about the. Arm or apple silicon transition, but at the end of very ended a presentation Tim referenced the fact that there were more Intel MACs coming. We can assume that the I MAC is coming, I would not be surprised to see it announced in the next couple of weeks personally. Wherever that will come along with an apple display I, don't know, but. It seems like that that I mak is. Bought! But not now. Yeah I would be. Not at all surprised if there is new. Mac Hardware soon, but not today. Not during account. One of my picks I was surprised. I think I was the most surprised that we didn't hear. Anything about was focus mental health features for the Apple Watch I still think that might be coming to watch a seven, but with new. Apple Watch hardware that maybe there's a sense that they add which can provide a little bit more functionality either I would be surprised. There are several moments where but especially during the watch presentation where they where the watch presence was very much. Here are just a few of the features were adding like they. They just said it that this is a tiny. Sliver of what's actually being in the new version of watch Os, so I thought that was interesting. Yeah, like there are these pages on apple's website where you can look all of the new features. Had Custody look before we start recording today that they were there, and there are lots and lots and lots of things which is great and I'm GonNa as we all going to enjoy. Immensely over the next few days, diving through those. With having additional time than we usually would. During the WBZ Week Jason any of your picks that you got wrong that you were really surprised about. Really surprised I don't know about that I. Mean I I definitely. I'm kicking myself more for the ones that I had on our list that I didn't then I didn't pick like I had a johnny srouji appearance right the guy at apple and he made his appearance, and I could have picked that and I thought about it, and then I didn't do it. The arm transition hardware not offered. That was my last pick and I thought that was a wacky pick. That would probably wouldn't go, but it would look great if it did and it did not go, it did not happen they. There is a Mac mini as you prophesied. A committee that is the developer transition it just going to say on this one I pretty pleased about that because I would just say I listen to a lot tech podcast heard anybody mentioned Mac mini before I mentioned it so I'm just GonNa go ahead and say cold that one. I mentioned it here few weeks ago. I'm going to take that. the the I called the Mac mini as being the transition. I Some I'm pretty pleased about that one. Actually it's it makes the most sense, and we'll talk about maybe a little bit more. Why in a little bit? So that was the draft, you can knock that one up as a win for you Irene Arak. We probably only have one more keynote this year, so the best I can do is a tie A. Hopefully I can at least get a tie. That would be nice. I don't lose another year. 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I was not expecting I think along with most people that Mac os would see. The level of work. That it has had done to it right. Right. I think that's the big surprise is that this isn't just? A chip transition story with the MAC, it has also kind of what what what they said was the biggest visual change sense. Os Ten which brought the aqua interface and all of that I think that's true looking at it again, only based on sort of what we've seen immediately. Cheer feels like. Am I wrong. Mike feels like this is the ipad vacation. Yes, macaroni, a bit younger, and that may be okay, so to say that has some baggage to it and I think I. WanNa talk about that baggage immediately because there are people that would say that a would have said that in the post and it means a bad thing. That's a bad thing. This isn't what you want, the Mac to be but I think what you have to consider. is the fact that IPAD has evolved and is continuing to evolve and now MAC OS is evolving with a negative move together because we'll talk about IPAD OS fourteen like. Some of the visual design stuff that they're shown MAC OS. They've clearly brought to ipod I actually don't think it's the other way around like some of the new tool Baas, some of the new cyber does I. Did notice that like the tool. baas get the they get like a shading around them like the customer support stuff an Ipad so obviously, there is a symbiosis there I would say it goes both ways because one of the big statements about ipad Os was look at all these side bars. In all of these APPs like photos has a sidebar now and I on the IPAD. It's like well. I had a sidebar on for a very long time. So what it's doing is it's kind of pushing that. Look the other way as well and that makes them even more sync up. Yeah, the fact that. APPS have round rex behind them. Which is a an IRS standard? The. Trans lose a lot of increased transparency and translucent in the interface. Yeah, which again I'm sure you can turn off the acceptability settings, but it was settled before, and and it's even greater now. The new simplified toolbar at the top of the of the windows. There's just a lot of changes that have happened here. That are going to be surprising I think for Mac users. Because the Max visual interface has only kind of gradually evolved. It's you know it's not like they've made aqua. And they stopped right like it has kept evolving, and it doesn't look anything like aqua now when you can go through a screen shot gallery of past Mac os versions, and you can see how it evolves from version to version, but this seems to be the biggest individual leap that take Mac. Os Design since you know since twenty years ago when Os ten I happened by the way. Several, people pointed out when Craig Got Info on his. Apple. Silicon Mac, which we still have to talk about. Somebody pointed out. It's also a Mecca was big Sur is also version eleven. So not no spinal tap references, but we finally have made it out of Western because it's called ten anymore. They finally they waited a little while, but they finally seem to have felt free to increment it to version eleven, so we are. Yeah and I think this is the right I mean. Honestly we could have made the argument and would have made the argument net moving to arm chips. Apple's own chips would be warranted enough for a version eleven. But. They've made some so many changes. The design that it is looking different now. I was intrigued to see Allen Die. Presenting the design motion I believe this is off first. Depth video from him. obviously Allen died taking over some of the role that Johnny is of before. Did you know that the apple? BOOT sound the sound was part of the presentation. I don't know if they're bringing that back, but it seemed like it I did notice that that was interesting. I mean you can do that on existing Max through a terminal command, but I wonder if that Mac os eleven. Big Sur is going to turn that on by default. It's an interesting idea. would be it's. As, well as making changes to a lot of the sounds, they've re made of the sounds or adapt to some of the sounds. I think again unified some from us. You know I feel like there's going to be a lot of discussion about the idea of Mac designed. What makes a MAC APP? This stuff has been going around for the last couple years because of catalyst. And I think that you know me and you have said on this show many times that there isn't that thing that actually doesn't exist anymore. The idea of what a MAC APP design is so much has changed that the old ways of Mac design have evolved, and I think this is a massive massive. Point in saying that apple are changing, what is to be Mac designed? So. We haven't talked about it a lot I mean. I have a lot of people are going to argue they're gonNA. Look at this, and they're going to say what I said. Which is Oh, this is the IPAD application of Mac turning back into an IPAD it's it's outrageous. I I could make the. Very different argument which is. Apple's MAC design has drifted. In a similar way to its attention to the platform in general seem to drift for a few years there where they seem to not be paying that close attention, there hasn't been a heavy design attention on the MAC in a while. Really and I would argue that what makes what defines a map is in large part based on examples from the operating system vendor and on the MAC. It's kind of been all over the place and. And it's kind of been drifting and what we see with big. Sur is apple saying we've refreshed our APPS? They all look much more alike than they used to. The OS itself is different, and it looks like this, and you can like it, and you can not like it, but it's it is apple. Saying here's what the MAC looks like. And yes, it does look more like the IPAD. There's no doubt about it that the. Design influence here because they're. They're essentially building. A some different platforms that are all interconnected with one another. And now they're going to be running on the same chips to on top of that, and so this is apple saying like music. This is what a what a in the twenty twenty s. what backup should look like is what these apps look like, and while that is change, and they're going to be people who are grumpy. I will argue that it is also a positive thing that the platform owner is making an effort. Effort to define what the platform is because I haven't felt a lot of that. On the Mac for last few years. It's been a little bit here in a little bit there, but it's been a lot of kind of drifting. Since we sort of detoxified ten years ago and Midi interface l'amour gray, and added some translucence, and then they removed translucence, and they did their dark mode, and all that, but like it's been I. I would say kind of without a lot of leadership. From platform owner, and sometimes an advocated platform owner can be good, because it means that developers can do whatever the heck they want, and it doesn't matter. But it feels like those days are over. Developers can still do what they want. It's just that if they do what they want, and they're absolutely nothing like all the apple APPs and nothing like the operating system users will notice right. They'll you. Will that apple stand out now and not necessarily in a good way I liked the look of the control center stuff in a new The what do they call? I can never remember the name the APPS that will sexual of live on the top right menu menu bar APPS. That's the phrase right? Sure. Yeah menu items up. They they've changed some of the design there which I liked. The Look of and notification center in which it's coming back looked very dashboard when it's on the MAC which was fun. But that sort of stuff from a design perspective is really good to see as well. I think that this really is showing that. We have a new. Is this commitment to the MAC idea. Apple been talking about for awhile I think seeing big changes in Makola to the point where there's like a lot more opinions again is actually a good thing where we'll definitely upset some people, it will make other people happy like me I think it looks fantastic I i. actually consider the I will upgrade to fix because I want that design I. Think looked really great, plus there are a lot of interesting features we're. GonNa get to more of them in a minute. But I myself being a little bit more excited about the Mac again. Just because apple seems to really be weighing in pushing stuff and I think that that's very exciting, always exciting when they do that and talking about the design stuff you know like you can see how catalyst has been a bit of a bridge as well right from just from a visual design perspective like catalyst APPs looked closer to Mac os eleven than they did. Mac was ten in places. And we saw the announcement of lots and lots of updates for Matt catalyst here way more than we got in its first year. From, an idea of showing these all like a big slide, these are all the things I know a couple of things that seemed intriguing like new menu and keyboard, API as an you controls revised date pickers and stuff and apple of made the new versions of map messages in capitalist, which messages seemed like a good one. That's probably what they were going to do. We're GONNA talk. Talk about some of the changes to messages when we talk about Iowa's fourteen, but that made a lot of sense to help bring that up to the current standard without needing for apply guests to to Redo everything again and putting an APP like messages behind is only going to help catalyst in the long run, because messages is arguably one of the most used APPs on apple's platforms. Yeah I was surprised. Even though I mentioned improvements to catalyst, I really was nervous about that one. That was one that I thought I be wouldn't get just because last year. Apple didn't talk about it a lot now. Part of that was the third was that they talked about it a lot the previous year and said it would happen, and so it did, and then they didn't talk about it much, and they talk about swift whereas this time what we got was a little bit of a swift. You I mentioned here and there but. Whole bullet point basically about Matt Catalyst, and then they got to bring it back and say Oh, by the way these APPs that we just showed you maps and messages. These are Matt Catalyst APPs as well, but you know it's all part of this unification story, and Mac, catalyst is. Is there with the new design language that they started to push out in last year? That is now much clearer this year about what they're viewing maps. An and I would go back to something that I think. We've talked about a couple of times since that fateful day where they got a bunch of people in a room together and said you know we're going to do a Mac pro and you know we're. We're recommitting to are pro users in the Mac and all of that is, there's definitely A. Be careful what you wish for aspect right because if you like the Mac. It is. And don't want it to ever change. You kind of want apple to keep its eye elsewhere and just not worry about it, and in that moment when they had that meeting, and all that that was apple, saying yeah, are I, was off the ball a little bit, and now we're going to focus on the Mac, but this is what you get is. It's now part of the apple machine driving into the future, and that means it's connected to the iphone and the IPAD and it's GonNa pick up design language from those other devices, and they're gonNA share things back and forth and like this is the result and. I. I'm excited about it, too. Although the little trepidation there too as somebody who's used a MAC for a very long time, but this is the alternative is it's a legacy platform? It'll never change because the only people using it or people who are sort of dead enders. They've been there forever. They're never leaving and no one else is gonNA use it, and so we're just GonNa, Park it and let it stay there and apple has decided that they're not gonNA do. Do that with Mac and that they're gonNA. Make it part of their overall product line, and it's all GonNa. Interconnect and so you know starting later this year we're going to have apple systems running on apple designed chips that are going to be running Mac os big Sur and they're going to have this new look and feel, and it's very much going to be kind of like. This is the beginning of the next decade. Plus of what the MAC is like. I was really excited about some of the stuff. That's been a shot. Safari I also dug around a little bit before the beginning of the show and it seems like. A lot of these safari features, or at least coming to IPAD says wall the privacy. Stuff was really interesting that as a new privacy report button that will show what websites are trying to get from you. Basically what they're tracking info is this is something you see. A lot of content blockers now apple's building, in which is really great, because now they'll be like a native name and shame type thing bill into the system right, which may ensure that a lot of websites maybe stopped trying to use so many trackers when people can constantly see just how many things are going on? And how much is being kind of mind from every person on a website? Yeah, it's more in line with their whole strategy and their whole brand of of pointing out when there's. Tracking happening and trying to block some of it, and all of that and the the safari extensions thing also is really interesting where extensions are very useful, but they can also be pretty serious in terms of. Privacy issues and so apple implementing a new form of browser extensions. Built into it that you can set them to be on per site or off site, and even blake allow it for the day or something or just this once That's interesting because that's that's taking the extensions idea and saying okay, they're useful, but. Extensions reading every page that you go to is not cool. So how can we build around that? So that again fits in with their story. Pretty directly and you can see that every product every feature that comes up at Apple. Clearly there it passes through a filter of what how can we view this in terms of our take on privacy and security. Take a quick diversion at this point to just mention about the security stuff because I don't think we're GONNA have the time to dig into all of it today. What did you make of the idea that developers will now need to kind of self report what their privacy stuff is. Going to be shown on APPs store pages. What did you think that was an interesting thing to talk about? I I'm not entirely clear on. How much of that is self reported? And how much of that is based on a scan of the APP, but yeah, it's it's a I think. I think it's a great feature that shows. You know shows apple caring for the users in terms of offering disclosure, I'm sure that there will be a lot of conversation about this involving developers developers that are doing the right thing here going to not have a problem with it, but I. do think some developers are going to have some issues. It wouldn't surprise me. Surprise surprise. It wouldn't be a surprise if there was a controversy involving the APP store where I would assume that whatever is self reported. You have to agree that this is part of your APP store submission. Is that your reporting this truthfully and that if it's found out not to be true then? You're going to get in big trouble, and that will be bad, so they'll probably be some controversy about that and I. DO wonder what they're scanning for as well and saying like this APP seems to do this. This APP seems to do that. We'll have to see, but I think from a user perspective, giving more transparency on what tracking procedures and policies of a particular company is using is It's good as a user of software It'll be interesting to see just from the apple developer relations perspective how it works with ipad Os the teen is which to Safari back on the Mac again. Because Safari was so good on ipad that pushed me. Me Everywhere, but one of the things I've really missed is crumbs ability to natively translate a webpage things one of the best features of chrome you go to a web page, which is not in your native language. It automatically translates for you, and this is coming to safari and I'm very very excited about that because that's a feature that I really really wanted so that one is a big big win for me like I cannot wait to use that feature again. Another reason like genuinely like another big reason I will want to update to big Sur and again just like the people that don't know, I, typically stay at least one version of Mac. Os Behind. Because I. Don't want to mess anything up with my audio equipment BEC- which happens on versions of new versions of Mac os very frequently. Like Jason, every single year we'll have a new problem with his USB interfaces and Mac Os story, but this is going to make. This is like a big reason, honestly why I want to do this. I! For podcast I do the pen addict a very frequently and looking at pages in Japanese. Because Japanese pen releases, and like icon. On chrome it will just translate the mole immediately. insofar as like Oh, now African Open Corum again so I'm really excited for Apple. Adding this feature because that's one that I'm going to use a lot and we'll be really really happy with. There's going to be control center on the MAC. It's all intertwined with the menu bar. Right and I'm interested in that as well that you can drag things out of Control Center into the menu. BAR AND Fascinating and notification center as well that they've revamp that so instead of having the two panes of notification center, they've got a notification. Center and widgets share space, and the widgets can be which designed similar to that on the on had an iphone and notification center now kind of groups, notifications and stuff, and that's great, because one of the annoying things about the MAC. Version of notification center is that it's not today. View a notification view, and it's you have to toggle between them and they. They've cleaned that up in a way. That's kind of. Stolen directly from the IPAD. But I I welcome that because I do use that. From time to time, and it's not good over there, so give giving that a a new take is a good feature. I'm looking forward to that all right. We need to talk about the chip transition got to do it. 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Day you calling it that trip chip transition to their own to apple silicon, so I guess from now on. We'll just stop calling it that right because that makes the most sense. I mean it is accurate to say I I. Use the phrase. Apple Design processors a lot yet, right? But he knows what arm holdings is and Apple. Silicon is what they're calling it, which is fine I'm not convinced by the way that apple silicon is a phrase that has long for this world. It feels to me like they are going to make an announcement of what they're going to call this stuff when they ship the first computers to use it. And maybe they'll call it. Apple silicon forever, but. It didn't feel like a like there was branding their. It really felt like that was what they decided to refer to it because they need to call it something and you know in the end. Perhaps there will be a new series of chips that will be the you know some letter. Fall by some number series we'll we'll see. Maybe they'll stick with this, but I wouldn't put a lot of money down on apple like don't go buy your Apple Oh. Sure it's. Honestly I think they wanted to just not call it on because they don't call the ipod chips in the iphone chips chips. They just don't do that right. It's not necessary. It's like never really called the the chips in the Max before six. They just didn't call them. That wasn't necessarily they intel. They were Intel and this is apple. It's apple chips and they may. They may never brandon. It may just be that they'll come out with the. M Twenty or whatever and say whatever name right like the brand I'm almost convinced they will be branded the same way that they brand. Every other chip they may like. The chips in the U. of yuan chipped w one chip. We have the What are they called the Apple Watch ones at their W on their the of the W. series, but like they they give these names. That's the brand they use. Because honestly I. Don't think that they really care about branding it too much on those devices, because it's like well, this is just part of. Of the IPHONE. It's like you know they have batteries. They have chips. Chips have codenames and I think going forward. That will be how we think about the MAC. Mac have their chips there. Probably I reckon and more whatever they call them they they have a name. And that's that and in a year a couple of years time once they've made this transition, which is going to be two year transition which was. Aggressive we'll talk about that in a little bit. I think they just won't refer to. The chips like like is a selling point or a new thing anymore. It's just part of the overall package like that's just the way that Maxa made that made chips. That apple makes it simple as that. So they really put a lot of. Effort into this. They put a lot of way on this. It was the final thing WBZ this year, which makes it a lot of sense. And they kept talking over and over again about how these chips will take the MAC to a whole new level. They're going to make much better products really kind of throwing until onto the bus. But also saying that there are still until Max coming later on this year, and they're going to continue supporting them, but clearly apple. Putting on the line what we've all been thinking and saying for a while the this is going to a label them to let the Mac take big steps, and they're gonNA. Push into new areas into new features into functionality that we've not had on the MAC for a while in the jumps at are going to be able to take and Johnny Srouji shed not only the history of apple silicon design. Talk about how they got there, but also talking a lot about what they're looking to do and what they're looking to deal. Deal with these new ships, and that's a big part. I think the story here. In one of the reasons why apple wants to make it not just about a one to one with Intel because there are other aspects in fact, apple has been building taking a lot of other aspects of the computer and putting them in their own custom chips in the meantime right the the arm processors that are in a lot of more modern Max are doing security, and you know they're in the secure in Clave, and they've. They're controlling the. And they are the touch bar and they they are the disk controller. Right like they keep on adding that stuff. And that was part of his message was. It's not just the processor, right? It's processor and the graphics, and in their in their Little slide there. It's all these other things that are kind of like custom hardware things that apple can build as part of this and that that message is, it isn't just about us being fast enough, because essentially what they said was what we've all been thinking, which is essentially when they did the a twelve x with the IPAD pro, they were there in terms of fast enough. It's about going beyond that, so one of their message is pushing the MAC further. Definitely, the implication there is. We don't have to be like every other PC. If we're not chained to intel, we can innovate on the MAC like we've been able to innovate on the IPAD and the iphone. Once we control this, we can decide what a computer is. We can decide Jason. What's the computer? Well, whatever says it is maybe. Right. They have the ability to to spread out sort of like. What they define as like the features of a computer, because they're controlling the whole thing as opposed to having to take this set of. Of definitions from Intel, because they're using Intel stuff, and so that will be fascinating to see I understand why they They talked about that a bit because their story is larger than just one. Switch from Intel to apple, and in fact, viewed through a certain Lens this which has been going on for a while now because the t one and t two are apple silicon that has been embedded in a whole bunch of MACs for a few years now, and they aren't taking over the central part, but they've been taking over other parts of the computer. And now they're gonNA take over the central part two, so you know really interesting to put it in the history of apple doing this. They want to send the message that you know. Apple's not new to this. This isn't. Going to be a surprise like they've been tested. These are devices that we've all used. That are using apple design processors and. And, then they do the big reveal, which is oh all the Max you've seen, US, Demo. Are All running on apple design processors, because it's already running, which is always nice, a nice twist and they reassure people about the third party story by saying Microsoft and Adobe. They're already. They've already got it up and running. Because that's one of the things I've seen people. To so some fear about this transition. What about big companies like Adobe and Microsoft a lot of those guys. You have to have a Rosetta which they do they have resorted to. because. Those guys aren't going to be there and so apple. Of course in this very first presentation says look here's Word Excel and powerpoint. Here's light room and Photoshop and they're all running on this thing too, and this isn't even emulation. This is that you know they're. They're building on our chips now. So that was a really very effective very effective to. Check all the boxes because we've been talking about what would be involved in transition for a long time and in that presentation I watched as they went. Check check all the way down. They hit every point including. What are they going to really do? Put the effort into doing a emulation for Intel stuff, and it's like they they did. They carted Rosetta out of the scrap. Heap brought the name back calling Rosetta to. They're going to do a CO translation when you download the APP, which is really interesting like they're not. Gonna GonNa even weight because they want to do that work in the background so that when you launch it, it just runs, and it'll be slower than native, but they're gonNA. They're gonNA. Do that, too, so like they've checked all these off, so they can say it's seamless for users, so that's That's great news. One of the things that I really thought it was super. Interesting is that they said about how all of the APPS including their pro APPs and showed off the prolapse that they will running native on that platform like. Say like it wasn't just that they were doing all of the demos on this which was an eight twelve z from twenty eighteen. The Z. is the twenty twenty ipad pro, but it's just the twelve acts from two thousand, eighteen with the extra GPO corps, so yes, good point good point, but it's still essentially a chip from two thousand eighteen. Yeah, they're using the demo this and essentially that ship in the Mac mini. That's the developer. Jessica Wesson is a current chip, but it had a current chip which is not that unchanged from a couple years ago. This is not their latest greatest. No, it's not. It's not what's in the IPHONE, and we saw one report that said that this is the chip essentially that they've been using for the last few years for all of their testing, and so you know they're saving. The real thing for the first computers to ship I max to ship with the apple silicon and. That I think. You mentioned the two year transition window, which is interesting because there was some conversation about like well, maybe they'll keep. Their two ways to go here there. There's the argument that maybe they'll keep certain systems around for a very long time running intel like they'll keep pro pro maxwell run Intel consumer maxwell run the apple chips, and that will go for a while and the two year window says Nope, that won't happen by the end of two years that MAC pro. It's going to be running apple silicon if it isn't already okay, that's one way to view at the other way is through the lens of the Apple, transition or the Intel transition. where? It was like six months. Everything flipped over right. It happened superfast, and they're not committing to that. They're committing to a little bit more of a transition period, but the one that got me that surprised me a little bit is they said later this year, so this all the rumors were this was a twenty twenty one hardware transition, and that's not true. It's going to happen this fall. Fall, presumably right, so that's also very interesting that this is this is happening sooner maybe than people expected, and you know I I would argue most people probably thought the transition would take a little bit longer. Even though if you look at the Intel transition, it happened really fast, and they're giving themselves more time than that I wonder if they will do it quicker, but honestly two years. If I mean I'm assuming they're talking about the entire line. They also mean the MAC pro. Two years is Austin, and I would have thought they would have had a chip for the or apple design chip for the Mac pro, honestly well. How often do they turn over some of their systems right like Mac mini and Mac pro like they have to turn over every single system in a given two year period I'm not sure they do right i. mean you probably find a two year period where they do, but they are committing to updating every single Mac. Updating or or eliminating I suppose every single MAC in a two year period that begins later this year when they shipped the first one, and that's not unreasonable. I think it would be a lot harder for them to do it in six months. So they announced the selection of things to develop those one new version of tax code, obviously, the version shipping today. Will feature the tools that you need. And they did that thing that they did. They always say. You can just recompiling get an up and running matter of days which? Again There's a lot of asterisks to this which we will see. Play out over the next few days. In theory probably. In most instances probably not. In even in the best case scenario, how much work is really required right like? We saw this catalyst that. Even catalysts APPs that spent a lot of time having walked onto them still had lot of rough edges, so catalysts is different, obviously, because it's like the stuff that is in front of you rather than the stuff that way deep down into the system, so there's clear differences there, but it's GonNa. Be a case of S-, just waiting and seeing. They did announce the return of two old friends universal, good universal to so you'll be able to ship binary. His I guess this will be in the maps and outside the MAC APP stool Probably this is mostly focused for out side because the MAC APP store delivers just what you need so. The universal binary meaning that if you download an application, it will have what you need for Intel. And for apple's designed chips, so it will have everything you need to run, and whatever systems being installed, and also Rosetta to which will be emulated Intel. They said that it's going to be foster more powerful more compatible, then the original Rosetta was. It will do the translation on the insole of the application rather than when you open the APP Which? A really clever way of doing it I. Don't know enough to know why they didn't do that first time, but that sure seems like the logical way of doing things. And Apple says that this could even handle complex pro APPs and they demo D- Maya Three D. modeling application, and if that could run like that's pretty great, so. Me Again with any type of ambulation. It's not going to be exactly the same, but you have margin of error that you can get things, too, but when you have companies like Microsoft and adobe committing publicly. They will have this stuff ready I mean. When is the question, but they'll have it ready for shipping. That's pretty good. Apple is in a very different position now than when it was at the transition. Yep in it's kind of standing as large corporate player so. Microsoft and Adobe, probably much more willing or feel much more pressured to make these changes quickly than they did. With transition to Intel would be my. I, agree some of the The speculation I saw it there about this transition. was from people who don't seem to understand apple, and where the MAC is and apples relationship with third party. Developers. Large ones like adobe and Microsoft because I saw a lot of people who are sort of saying. You know good luck apple. Chip transition and all that and this like no. This is gonNA. Be I think this is up to be an easier transition than Intel in part by the way because I think they've been laying the groundwork for this for a few years whereas the Intel transition. Hedging against power. By keeping the Intel project around, but I think it probably happened a lot faster and with a lot less planning, and this feels like something that they've been working on executing for multiple years right like for three or four years. They've been thinking that this is where they're going to go. And they've been getting everything in place to do it and so I think it is going to be. A lot more seamless, also, let's not forget the power until transition for developers, so many developers were using code warrior as their development environment and apple had to get everybody over basically to x code. There was a a a slide that they did during the WW DC where Steve. Jobs said like so here's how it works. If you're already echoed, you'll compile for Intel. If you're not on EXCO, you'll move echoed. And then compile for it, and it was like that was one of the says it'll take a little longer because I you must move to exit well. Everybody is using Exco for everything. And that gives them more control and more of the ability to say like now we make the move it's going to be. Not there will always be issues, but like it's going to be way easier because it's planned because there's a a unity of tools being used by most MAC developers again. They're going to be got just here and there but I think this is going to actually be smoother for a lot of reasons. IPHONE and IPAD APPS will be able to run natively on. The platform die have so many questions about this one. I think it is wild that they're doing it because they just look like iphone apps so I, guess the IPAD versions might inherent some of the customer support stuff which might make that a bit nicer right, but this is a very peculiar. You because this is the thing that they've done. Just because they can, but I don't know if I would have done that. My connection died. During this part and I was feverishly asking like switching to cellular on my pad and trying to get it up and running again, and so I kind of miss this part because I was like did I what is what are they saying exactly? So? I don't know like I I really don't know how how this is GonNa work, and and what's GonNa look like? But it showed Denko like Monument Valley and IT GUITAR APP and They were very clearly just IOS APPs in windows and. I mean we were expecting iphone APPs coming to catalyst. That's not happening now, and it would just be this instead, but I like you get these APP from the APP store like whether they come from like guests. You do and brave. You see like this is just such a weird thing to to do I. Guess you say like I said like it might be better for. Like fully optimized IPAD apps work nicer I guess because it might just look like. But still very just very very peculiar. Thing to do I mean yes, you can do it, and now you can say you have way more APPs in the APP store than before. But I'm just not I'm not convinced that's true, although it's great for the MAC APP, store look lively. The MAC APP. Store is now. We have millions of APPS joined. The APP store moved to our own chips. So these are all momentous things, and this is this is Something just said I'm going to say it again. It all is momentous momentous. Mac and yet. Not Super Surprising in the other way, because like it's been clear that apple could do all of this stuff. It was always just a question of. Would they want to and win? Would they want to and I think it has to do with them having this plan and moving all of the pieces forward over the course of several years to get to the point where they can do stuff like this and say sure we're going to translate Intel APPS and we're going to let you build new apps on our chips, and we're going to let you move your. APPS into the MAC APP store and they'll just run and like. All of these things have been sitting there, but it is interesting to see them. pull the trigger on all these things you know and say all right here we go. It's happening now, but that's where we are. It's all happening right now. Also I should mention they. They shouted out virtualization technology and I thought that was really interesting, and they mentioned Lennox docker now windows. Who knows but like? I think when they talk about virtualization. I think that actually gives me some hope that there may down the road be virtualization solutions for windows in on this platform as well I'm not mentioned now, and that's fine, but like the fact that they are thinking about virtualization at all. It makes me. Think that there will be if they're bringing new virtualization technology that they're well aware of one of the most virtual is things on their platform right, and maybe that it's not ready, it may be that there are issues. Are they virtual leising a a an emulating intel windows? Are they trying to virtue allies arm version of windows, and can they not do that yet? Is there not available that will work for them to do that? Maybe it will never happen, but I would say people who are like Oh forget it the fact that apple mentioned virtualization even though they didn't mention windows virtualization I think I think suggests that they are aware of this issue. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to make it available. But at least no I guess right like I. Dunno swings I. Think it means there's groundwork being laid here so that it could happen writer, but I do like the message. It sends to developers, especially saying if you need a virtual lennox environment or like a docker, container or something. We're actually aware that people use our computers for this stuff, and we've in new virtualization tax. The implication here is it will be better than the stuff that's in the current version of Mac Os to do this stuff, so that's cool. So. Going along with this apple announced the Universal App Quick Stop Programme and this, this is like a program that develops us to apply for, and it's basically to give them help to give them assistance one on one assistance where needed I, think being able to talk to APP, review teams and get all expedite support tickets and developer developer transition kit, which is a Mac mini. So develops to apply for it, and their applications will be reviewed. I guess this is to stop anyone from just being able to buy one so like your boy over here conscious roll up and give Apple. However much money is at I. Don't recall how much money they said it would be five hundred dollars. And get one of these MAC minis to show to twitter. How fast MAC OS runs or dozen on right like that's what they're doing. This is the right way of doing it to try and weed out some of that now of course therapy straddle the line right like Steve Trout. Smith gets one a provided the. There are no I'm sure there are lots and lots of things that you have to sign where you probably can't do this. But. You know like someone someone like Steve has both A. Reason for this software effort is hardware, but also shares is a great resource for People Online, so I expect that to get the Kit James Thompson centers in the chat room that there was no price mentioned in the application when he applied because we'll see that. That, you know I'm sure there's a lot of paperwork that needs to be signed to try and to try and weed out the people that that genuinely will be able to take usov air, as and maybe those that that wouldn't yeah, but this. It's called that they have a program. and. Unfortunately, it's not the I. Pat Burrow as we hope to. Maybe it's not the pepper that's this is. This is fine. This is them actually making an effort to put together this hardware I hope it. Is Reusable in whatever the Mac mini update is that they can use some of this work to do that, but that's just one more follow up from real life and members. Disco is five hundred dollars year righteous, yeah! Do you have anything else that you want to say about the MAC today? So much time spent on the Mac I like it I I like to see it I. Think it's a big change I think we're GONNA have summer to adapt. Yes Oh so. I can't wait to try the The the new version of Mac os for the design stuff because that. You know chip transitions are dramatic and exciting but in the end. I don't think of. That Mac I use that ran a POWERPC chip and that Mac I used as that ran an Intel chip and think oh boy, all the colors were different when I ran on power PC. Because you know in the end, it was a Mac. so. In terms of direct impact on like how we do our jobs, and and use our computers every day, some of the visual changes may be much more important, so I'm looking forward to trying those out and seeing kind. What the heck they're doing to remake the MAC and how it feels, and it feels like I'm using big IPAD or not. This episode is brought to you by door dash. You've got plenty on your to do list laundry emails errands. Goodness knows what else give yourself one less thing to worry about. Let Door Dash take care of your next meal dot ashes. The APP brings the food that your craving right now right to your door. Ordering is easy. Open the door ash APP. Choose what you want to eat. Your food would be left safely outside your door with the new contactless delivery drop-off setting, who over hundred thousand partners in the US, but three Co Canada and Australia you can support your local go to's or choose from your favorite national restaurants like chipotle. 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CLEAN UP OPTIONS FOR ARAB ICONS, so we have the APP library so at the end of your home screen pages. Do you do an extra swipe? And there is some folders that automatically organized into categories. Categories and they suffer steps to the top level the US the most There's a search field which you tap bomb, but when you tap on the search field, it also organizes all of our apps into an alphabetical list, and you also have the ability to just remove pages right which I I know how I'm going to run my phone now I'm going to have my home screen, and then I'm going to have the is library I. Don't want anymore pages on my iphone. I'm done that's it. What did you think about these new features? I. I mean I think we've been waiting for the idea of just to having a list of. What my APPS ARE! Using their their Siri tack to do this search suggestions, which you've been able to get in the search screen before they essentially take him to search screen pushed it out onto this last screen with a bunch of different APP collections on top of it, and then you've got the ability to basically delete all the extra pages from your. From your screen, you can have as many pages as you want. But I think they made the point very well that after the first couple, your muscle memory falls away, and then you're just hunting through folders and all of that so this is a welcome feature. To be able to. Organize us that spatial memory to get your home screen page one maybe page to the way you like it, and then everything else just goes in these collections. I think it's. I think it's great, and then you will need you know who knows how many pages you will need for your muscle memory, because you won't just have apps on those pages either you'll have which is true for the first time. Yes, so I may have not only less APPs on my home screen than I, did before I will so expect to have a page or two of widget. widget because widgets now very basically apple of finally down wherever I'm one of them to do wish to implement version of widgets. That's very similar to android. You can have application widgets home screen. You can have multiple size options for them that developers can submit with different depending on the size you know like for example you may have a calendar which may be the smallest which. which it shows a day and your next event, a larger widget will show multiple events your next upcoming five for example, and you can choose which you WanNa have you can move around on the home screen and they'll have automatically updating information. This is the area that I. Foresee the most problems with that view this year we saw it before widgets, but like just how? How much information can be added to those widgets and how quickly it can update. That's going to be really interesting to see what that ends up looking like They also had a smart stacks feature. You just put this one widget on your phone, and it will show you the that the iphone thinks you wanna see at that time, which is cool. It's almost the watch face. The iphone right which is like we, it's the series suggestions thing for the widget, which is the which you want right now, and if it works, that's fantastic, right? The question is how well does it work? Although it looks like you can basically just sorta scroll through your widgets in that space. If you want to, yeah and I'm really excited about the idea of having just one screen, which has my task manager and my calendar on it on the widget like his own home screen. Because that's the kind of stuff I've wanted for a very long time and I'm really keen to see. I want to dig into it like. How does this welcome the IPAD as well? and seeing like how interactive can you make a home screen now? Can it be almost like panicked? Status Board APP right where you just have this one screen and all of the information you want right like maybe this ends up being a great way to repurpose old. IPAD, you create this widget. Right but but that would be really cool and I would love I really am excited about this one of the things I'm most excited about. I'm happy that it's on both devices both irs. That one. I'm really excited about I was very surprised to see that Siri the time that it got that. There's some visual changes to Siri as well as some behind the scene stuff personally I didn't see as much behind the scenes stuff as I would have wanted to see. Maybe there's more to it than that of like reliability and stuff like that I'm very happy to see the apples moving to on device dictation so. So that that's going to speed up Syria la La. That was a video floating around. Recently you may have seen of an iphone versus the Pixel with dictation and the reason. The Pixel was so much foster was because the pixel four added Google assistant dictation like native device. This isn't something that's the same all android phones, but like they they shrunk it down and they put onto the device. Device dictation, and when you have on device, dictation can speed things up so much because you don't have to go out to the web to turn the light on our off anymore right like. Things will get quicker because of this and I'm really excited about that feature. We'll have to see what else is going on, you know. It's a keynote. It was very vague. We may get more signs this week about it, and then in the months to come, but I like them talking about how they're. You know making an effort to improve Siri improving Syria on device and throwing in translation one of. The thing that I keep coming up with is I. WanNa see translation applied to messages, and that's not something they mentioned, but I feel like now is very little. Work needs to be done to get the ball across the goal of we have a translate APP. We have on device translation. And we've got messages to be able to translate something in line if you receive a message from somebody in a different language to be able to sort of like. Kick that off to the translate APP and get the answer and I also appreciate it in their translate demo the idea that they're going to be able to recognize the languages being spoken, and so you can have a sort of two windows, translating either direction and you tap the button and say something in one language, and it's plays it in the other and the reward for both directions, because it knows which language is being spoken for the eleven languages that they're supporting. We should say. It was. Is Google translate? This is the this is translates exactly what it is. And they needed. They needed to be there with it so here they are, but the thing is though like this is, this is a. This is something Google. Wartime. Google so far head. Like has so many more languages right like. The reason I know that this is. Two nights ago, media will playing around with the translation featuring Google translate which she's just this. And she was talking remaining and I was talking in English. We would just kind of fooling around with it, and it's this exact feature. You press the microphone button once it listens to me. It listens to her translates, things backwards and forwards I'm really happy. That apple's doing it, but they have a long way to go because they had something like nine or ten languages. That's not enough for just right. It just isn't and I. Hope that this. This is something that they move quickly and that they keep iterating on. Keep adding more because that's what makes this thing useful? If you go to use this application and it doesn't have the language you want. You may never come back to it right. You may just go new school. Translate instead like I. Applaud Them for doing it. I'm happy that they're going to do it, but you got to move quickly on stuff like this. Because otherwise it doesn't get adopted and that moves against what Apple's kind of planet of this type of stuff. I like till the Compact design. They've redesigned. Siri doesn't take over the whole home screen anymore. It's even more so on ipod Os lives and the bottom right hand corner, and gives you pieces of information, which I, which I really liked so. That was messages. Sorry, messages. I'm jumping ahead. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff in head I loved the ability to pin a message to the top of the list. Fantastic like I mean Edina. Do not text every day because we're at home every day, but when I want to send her a message, I always expect her to be girl down in search for it right? Yeah, exactly, but she isn't wizard a top, but that's my mind always would say well. She should be at the top. She's the most important. Important person to message so like I. Want that to be the case and I have a couple of group threads similarly right? Some with some friends woman, my brothers I want nose message threads at the top I. Don't WanNa two factor authentication or a message from some my doctor, or whatever to be above all that stuff I want the message threads to I'm in the most to be right there and I want them. There are there and then all of the group. Stuff is amazing, so inline replies the collapsible fantastic. Really into a slack threads for messages, yeah, but with a better Ui then slack. I mean look. Slag has threatening slacks threatening. You is terrible about this looked much nicer. Mentions of notification options, so if you're in a group threat, I have a lot of noisy group threads on. Do not disturb, but I still WANNA know if people mentioned me and now you can have that right, so you can type somebody's name in. They'll mention you. This is exactly the type of stuff that I wanted. And also you can have more kind of imagery around you can like give an image to a group, but it still shows all of the like individual profile of everybody around it, so you can make things feel more fun, and also along all of this more M- EMOJI options, which included message section, which has hair and options more accessory options, more age options, and they also included face coverings, which seem like an obvious a good want to have by the way everybody. Where a face mosque just wear face masks. That's a great thing to do. Please do that where mask show your compassion for other people. Yes, it's a really easy thing to do. But these message message things are rolling out in all of the platforms, which is fantastic and I'm super super happy about that just apple continue intimate messages and much much better. Overall conversation platform is a great thing. What else caught your eye from the irs portion of the KENO? What we should talk about At least we should mention carplay updates, so they're not standing still on car play. They're adding some new APP categories to park carplay, which makes sense parking APSO. You know you need to get parking nearby. There'll absolute park Wiz that will let you do that. Ev charging, which is really nice there a bunch I having an electric vehicle myself having an IV APP that tells you where the nearby charging stations are and all. All that that's very nice. Those are now aloud on car. Play with this new version and and click food ordering as well so you can do that from your car and then pick it up if you're on on the road, you need to stop somewhere and pick up some starbucks or whatever else like being able to do that directly from the car play interface is convenient, so it's nice to see that. And then the Karki stuff to throw that in there, too the. The you one ship got mentioned. hey finally the shift. On sage. But even then it was for later. It's not for for now there's for later, but it is something that I wrote up when I wrote about a wideband technology that one of the things that it can really be used for is for for digital car keys, basically because it prevents sort of spoofing hijacking your key signal from the restaurant where you are and then, and then repeating it to your car, making it think that your car is closer than it is and the you. You one ship the way it works all using time tracking via the speed of light, and so therefore you can't spoof it like that, so there's this you know. There's this an NFC version of this. That is coming out with BMW car. That's coming out. This fall is the first one to support it, but there are also they mentioned working with this consortium to work on this broader standard, and that the ship work with at all of that, so the point here is basically like. If you buy a car, maybe not this fall, unless it's this, BMW like in the next few years you will probably end up buying a car at some point. You can unlock with your phone and it's got. You GotTa start somewhere. This is the thing that it will actually have a huge impact on people's lives, but it's not gonna be for like five years for for a lot of people, if not longer, but it will eventually car our phobia car key, and that'll be how it works, so they're apple is starting that today. What? I was going to be bored by the cocky thing like it had been rumored, but I was watching the with a dinner and we're both like oh! Oh when no, saying about you can share the key of of people, and you can get on temporary access. You can make sure they don't drive too fast like that. Stuff was very very cool and is so much more than just my phone unlock my car right like that's to me. That functionality is is kind of boring like okay. Whatever right? This is smart. Lock stuff like I. Have In my smart lock today where you can share the smart lock code and have different ones that work at different times and have different privileges and so apply that to the car I think it's it's good, but it's GonNa take time, but at least were know kind of on on the case now. I want to mention APP clips, which is, it's funny. It's something similar to something Google I think did last year and the idea here is that you can. You can get access to a subset of an APP functionality by. Tapping on NFC sticker by scanning Barcode, but by someone sending you a message. By tapping on an item and apple maps, and this is a perfect use case for if you've ever been somewhere, that has parking meters that have an APP. Download an APP and log in and set up your credit card, so you can just by thirty minutes at the parking meter. This happens to me every time I visit a city. I've got a parking meter out. That I downloaded for Salt Lake City. One for Boulder Colorado a different one for Eugene Oregon like everybody's got their own parking app so with APP clips. The idea here is you get to the parking meter and you'll either tap in NFC finger. You'll scan barcode and it'll bring up a little thing for an APP clip of that parking meter APP and you open it and ideally if it supports. Supports signing with apple and apple pay. You'll be able to go boop Boop, and you have done it and you've got your. You know you've paid for your parking. And that's the dream of it now or like if you're renting. One of those scooters almost killed us all in San Jose the last couple of years. Same thing you can tap or scam. Press, a couple of buttons, and you're going. You don't have to go to the APP store and find the APP and downloaded and log in and set up an account and all of that. To reduce the amount of friction for you know. It's great that these things are. That that you've got the ability to use your phone for this, but the there could be a lot of barriers in the way, so it's A. It's a nice idea similar to what Google has had for a while. Where you're not you're. You're getting a little subset of the APP. You have the option then later. If you download the whole APP, you can do that, but the idea is look. I don't want to download your whole APP here I. Just want to Park Right I. Just want to Park My. My car and pay so that I can go wherever I need to go, so I think it's nice to see Apple getting on board with this sense, you know this is the platform that we use and I'm sure many of us have been in a situation where you're out and about and suddenly you have to go through a whole, APP installation and log in, and maybe even enter a credit card kind of experience in order to get what you need and that that could be a lot easier. As, can be found in safari messages maps NFC fire an APP clip code, which is an apple designed Qr code now. His thing I've seen reference to these qr codes already as of. In a leak about some stuff, so like imagine you've got these qr codes on on all over the place right? Because Apple's made this this new qr code they want and they're trying to encourage businesses to adopt so people can very easily get into their APP experience. If you have glasses on, that can read those. That's going to be a different thing right like this is. This is like another. Of where they might want to start looking and going into the future that like your apples, vision of this is all part of, isn't it all of it and so the APP clip code stuff. Matt could be really interesting could be a big thing for a are in the future, and I'm sure that they will integrate into a our products. You know maybe just in in Iowa, but they didn't really talk about that today. these use apple pay the sign of Apple. It's all part of the integrated stack. I think that this is a very cool idea when. ANDROID had this is called instant APPs. Should this off right years ago? Like I look really cool, then but I. Believe didn't really take off. I don't really feel like I've heard a lot about it since. I expect that apple will be able to get this to take off because. Right like just what they do with this type of. And I mean the argument. There also is that with signing with apple, an apple pay you can end up with a very smooth experience for a customer where they you know, do almost nothing, and they've given you money, and if you're running those parking meters, or whatever else does scooters. You just want them to give you money. That's in the end that make it easy as possible for us to park or ride a scooter, or whatever this is going to be another way that they force signed him about Limo Places Yup. Yup because. Days the services that use this probably don't use social network signings, which is what signed him of apples or before, but now they'll be like well if you want to use his Co. functionality, so people can check out really quickly, and then you get the data that you would get if they were using your application they. They have set some rules on it. In. APP clips have to be less than ten megabytes of data so they can be opened and run fast because you assume it's. It's pulling something from the web. Right to show this Ui you know in the same way like if you're on a very slow Internet connection, it's going to be a problem, and this is like enough. One of those things where I think about like if you are traveling overseas and you have a limited day cap like that's the kind of stuff that you'll burn through quickly without even knowing about. About it. These aren't necessarily downsides to this platform, but it's just a thing. 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The I was the most underwhelmed with I was expecting that to be more here. I'm very excited about the things they showed I've had a cursory look through the list of stuff that they've added. There seems to be a lot there. I'm excited to dig into it mall. I was hoping for some bigger high-level stuff than what we got. It! I knew things were going south a little bit. When they pointed out all the features that they rolled in. In you know late in Iowa S or had thirteen 'cause I thought I had the moment like Oh. Like the are taking credit for things that we already have, which is you know if you want it to be a long list? That's never a great sign right, but it's like no, no, no, we already did all these things right right right? So what we announced now isn't going to be underwhelming, because we did all of those things and yeah like it picks up the stuff, so that will have an impact in terms of widgets and APPS. Maybe if they would have shown ipad Os I, and did all of those features I. I would have been more excited right because it'd be like Oh look these great features because they all some things I'm excited about like I'm more excited about. And I I was going to be. But just specific ipad stuff I don't know. They they spoke about this designed for ipad thing where they were talking about design language tricks that better for the largest screen, and they showed sidebars and drop down menus and that kind of stuff. There's a lot of MAC features in here so I made I said that it was the IPAD application of the Mac. Now let's do the flip side the McAfee. Pat Because. It's a lot of sidebars are like look photos as a sidebar. Ardy did on the MAC. Just now it has one on the IPAD do look, here's a here's a drop down a pull down menu. Where have I seen that before or the search bar that it's like well? We rethought search on the IPAD OH to make it exactly like spotlight on the Mac. You mean it's great i. think it's probably the right decision, but it is funny that it's sort of like Oh. Yeah, okay, so you're bringing them back I. See what's happening here. You're bringing them back this way. You're bringing the IPAD this. Meeting in the middle a little bit. Yeah, like it's not bad, but it's also not not exactly groundbreaking. It's more just like little little design tweaks I. I wanted handwriting recognition since they introduced the apple. Pencil right sort of like. If I'm holding my pencil, and I want to because I'm doing something else, and then I need to put some text. I don't want to put my pencil down. And then type if I could just right and I'm bad handwriting, but still like if I could just write every so often. That would be super helpful like and that's so scribble. We have scribble now. That's a nice feature, but like once you get past that. And the I features that have already been added. I Dunno I year ago when they named this ipad Os. Putting themselves on the line that they had to have features that were specifically for IPAD and I will admit that. Given that they shipped them the pointer support already that they took their best feature. Yeah, they moved it. Here because we would have lost all minds, if exactly feature of today and so I'll give them credit for that. I'll give them credit for that, but I'm just my question for you is. Do you think? This announcement lived up to the fact that they have to make substantive. IPAD announcements every year now that they've named it IPAD OS, or did it fall flat. There are some things in here that a really big like I'm very keen I bet that design for i-ipad stuff and some of the things that adding. To make the daily usage of using an ipad much better like people were showing stuff in the discord right now like for example choosing from a date pickup. When now show you a calendar rather than that spinney wheel stuff like that is going to be very big difference to my usage, and there is also emoji such an an Emoji pop over on Ipod us these big thing like the same like small. Small things, but they're gonNA make big differences and I'm personally halt I WANNA hold out until I've done two things one really dig through the stuff that Federico will be finding out in publishing a Mac stories, and also installing this bay, or at some point, and running through it myself to see like apple's apps how they feel now, because if these applications because some of these design changes feel more grown up. And more at just, because of the fact that they've been refined. That's going to make a big difference like I'm also really excited about the such stuff. It popping over and me being able to just go straight to websites from anywhere like those things look really good if they do work as good as Max Affari as opposed to MACs spotlight as opposed to the current spotlight on IPAD, so they're big things I'm also excited about the pencil improvement, so that tech the handwriting in any field is great, but also being able to select and copy and paste move around. A handwritten text is awesome. I'm very happy about that stuff. But I I was hoping for. I think some big picture stuff here that we didn't get. The I will assume is coming next time what I will say as. If, this is the the small revision year in between the two big ones. This is so much better than any small revision. Yeah, apple of evidence for the IPAD right. The IPAD usually gets like a big. Yes, Moyer big year type like the TIKTOK. And they've added more here than they would. In a in another small year, and I think there are potentially some things here that in usage are going to make a big difference, but this wasn't the homerun hoping that I would be i. do really feel like I need to actually spend time with this now. To really feel how important is going to be for me. I feel like you said it right there, which is by the admittedly very low bar of IPAD, updates on the off years. This is better than that and give them a little bonus points on top of that for the the pointer support that they shipped early. So I agree with you. I think that's about where we are is. It's disappointing that it's not more, but we did get a lot earlier this spring and it's still better than a kind of no new features, except what are on the that you get for free for the IPAD, but at the same time I'm always GonNa want more. and. So I guess in that way, it's not entirely fair for me to judge this as that. It left me wanting more because I was always going to want more, but I'm not overwhelmed by the number of changes on the IPAD. We'll just put it that way. Yeah, and there's definitely more. I WANNA see here. They showed off the in this section like the phone. Call you I not taken over the whole screen anymore. That's also coming to the IPHONE. We didn't mention that, but that's a big one. I'm really excited about that. because that's so silly. Right that the phone is considered that important that it's not a notification. and Siri showing notifications, and that kind of stuff is also really cool, yeah. This wasn't. A home run as we say, but there's definitely some stuff in here. That's going to take a bit more. A bit more dig into. Watch, Os four finished today. Why Not Yeah? So they focused a little complications. I'll be honest. I'm not sure. If I got what was new here than rich complications could be more places the big thing that's new and I think this is great news for somebody like underscore. David Smith because he's got his whole APP. That's just complications. Is it used to be that an APP could put a complication on? Okay now. She's awesome and I'm very excited about this now. Every complication on a given watch face can be different complication from the same APP that which as somebody pointed out in in slack that I'm in is as close as we've ever come to accustom watch face, because if you view all the slots other than like the time as Fair game for one APP to take over your pretty close. You're not quite there, but you're close to being there, so think of think of that David. Smith APP. That can have like. Right Watch Smith which has a billion complications. Now you'll be able to build a whole watch face just full of his complications. If you want to and that, so that's a big step for exactly. What's a feature? I wanted so i. was kind of I go a little bit lost in the watch face in complications per honestly. That is actually really cool, and then I guess. Now, I understand one of the features that they said so with the watch face sharing, so you'll be able to share watch faces of each other. They also said that a developer can offer a what face set up inside of their APP right so imagine David's APP watched. Smith's having having that moment. Where Watch Smith says here is you know here's are designed for this kind of thing, and it's you know it's own lunar and weather and things like that, and then you tap and it just it opens, and now it's a watch face that you can make that that that you don't have to remake it yourself. It's just that they are on your watch. That's great. That's great so. It's not quite third party custom watch faces, but it will open up the possibilities of APPs designing a whole bunch of different watch faces, and that's good sleep. Tracking is obviously the big one And Doing a few different things, and it's tying him with the IPHONE. so there's like a whole wind down mode that the iphone in the watch will go into it turns, and do not disturb. It will show you some shortcuts on the home screen via phone like the lock screen. You can set up to like help you get into sleepy mode. your. Your watch into sleep mode automatically at the Times that you kind of say you want to go to bed. This is really about also trying to help you get into a sleeping Patten as well as tracking sleep. They actually didn't go into too much detail about what the watches doing. When you sleep tracking what that data looks like there wasn't a lot there. Are then like it tracks leap, and then you can set multiple different alarms. Types you can have sounds. You can have just tactic alarms, and then when you wake up, you get a new screen on the watch. Was The shows your battery? which is important because you might WANNA charge. The watch then so there is more digging to do into this feature, but it's at least here now. Yeah, I want more detail and my frustration. Often with this is that. Is that apple? has their whole go to go to sleep kind of thing where they're like trying to close off your devices, and have you go to sleep and all of that and like? That doesn't work for me. That doesn't really work for me, so we'll. We'll see how how aggressive they are about you wanting to do it? You know your way versus apple wanting you to do it. Apple's way but. They're actually doing all of the. They've done all the machine learning stuff to model you know being able to detect things about your sleep cycle by wearing the watch, and then you wake up in the morning and you charger watch and take a take a shower, or whatever so good longtime coming. Glad it's here. Glad isn't tied to A. Watch hardware update. That's also a good thing, so. So good. They're adding automatic detection of hand washing and will do a twenty second countdown, and if you didn't count, wash your hands for long enough. They GONNA. Tell you and I thought that was really clever. Really Cute. Clearly, something added quickly. Honestly I would like to see them. Push it out before. Seven September. Is You know why away, but we're? We're at work, but. Physical thing they did some nice cute designed for. I think this is a clever smart and of the moment feature to add in to. Watch Os. Also hidden on a slide Jason I. Don't know if you saw it shortcuts on the watch. All right whether this is an APP or whatever I. Actually don't know right now, but I just saw it on a slide. This is something that's wild. That has been missing for awhile. Since you know, there was a workflow APP for the watch and there was no shortcuts support on the watching the sense of being able to run things so I'm keen to see what ends up looking like and there were also a bunch of new workout stuff. There's a new dance workout core core, strength, functional strength, and cool down activity type along with a new activity. APP designed to go alongside. We've run through the major platforms. I think we did it Jason I. Think we did there's a lot. There's a lot and here's the truth. Is We've talked for? More than ninety minutes and We are. We're talking about like what's in the keynote and a reactions to that, and then there's was web pages behind that and they're all the other sessions that are going to happen all week, so we. We are scratching the surface here and that's the beauty of it is now. The summer stretches out before us, and we'll get more information over the course of this whole week, and that's the beauty of the I really love. Our post keynote one week out episode because that's after we've had some time to sort of think. Think about it, and also a lot of the details have come to light. That aren't necessarily there. They're sort of coming to light right now as we're talking, so there will be more about all of this down the road, but like this is a big day for the Mac that's the that's the big story out of all of this is that is not only it's a bigger than we thought for Mac it's a bigger moment for the Mac because it's not just about a chip transition, but it's also about some pretty serious. You I changes and it's. A It's a new era for the Mac in more ways than one. I'm going to say like I didn't get everything I wanted today. You know like I didn't care as much as one of the ipod, but I'm going to say. I am. Really excited about macos Bisa. And if I, don't care everything I want. Going into this, but end up coming out being much more excited about a platform that I wasn't necessarily that excited about just WBZ's a win for me like big time. I'm very excited to dig into stuff. That's happened in this week. We're GONNA talk about that in upgrade plus in our post show for upgrade members, you can go to get upgrade plus dot com to sign up for five dollars a month, or you can hit the links in the show notes, and you can sign up for a monthly or annual plan, and you get additional content. We're going to talk about what we're planning for the week. We're going to talk about how different to watch this Keno. but I'm. I I'm finding myself really excited to dig in especially to some of this stuff whilst I'm not going to run the Beta planning. Is Definitely on my back profile. Run anywhere. Maybe on an old laptop or something I'm just genuinely really excited to see all of that work. Go in to the MAC, which honestly at least from a Mac Os perspective I kind of thought was locked in for a long long time to come. I wasn't expecting all of that. I don't think anybody was If anybody had MAC, Os. On their BINGO card Fairplay to you but. Of All! But yeah, this is this is obviously different. WBZ Safe, so many reasons. But one thing that I'm super pleased about and like I went off to apple as they did. They definitely continue to deliver right like the didn't take off the guests this year and be like okay. Things are difficult. We're GONNA. Strip back a lot of stuff to the point where this is like, we're doing all performance improvements, and that's it Portsmouth's and improvements. They've got some big stuff here. We're GONNA. Continue digging into next week. It is not yet time for the summer of fun with still all business next week. We're going to take a look at more of the stuff that we've learned in the intervening time. 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Time Flies event recap: Apple Watch Series 6, new iPads, and Apple One services bundle

AppleInsider Podcast

14:26 min | 6 months ago

Time Flies event recap: Apple Watch Series 6, new iPads, and Apple One services bundle

"Hello and welcome to the apple insider podcast. This is your host Stephen Robe Liz, and this is a special episode as we recap today's event. Tuesday September Fifteenth Apple held their time flies event. This was a pre produced event off reproduced video taking place in Apple Park several venues around there and some footage from around San Francisco as well. Right from the top apple. CEO. Tim Cook, stated that the event is about to products the Apple Watch and the IPAD and that's exactly what we got the Apple Watch series six that has been long rumored with announced as well as new model. IPADS and iphones airs. We'll talk about those in a moment and apple also launched that services bundled that has been rumored and we've talked about on this show, the apple one services bundle, and so we'll get to that as well. The presentation itself was just over sixty minutes. So a pretty short event by Apple Standards Again, talked about the Apple Watch an IPAD mainly, and in case you were wondering there was definitely no mention of the iphone. Twelve launch date announcement or anything like that. So let's jump to the Apple Watch. Apple started telling some of the stories of the difference that Apple Watch has made people's lives both saving lives and helping those with type one diabetes and hypertension, and many of the research partnerships they have with other organizations coo. Jeff Williams made a majority of the Apple Watch announcements, and he announced the new hardware model Apple Watch series six, the series six comes. In some new colors, blue aluminum, gold, stainless steel, a black graphite, stainless steel, and product red as well. They also have the titanium models. If you're interested in those, the rumored blood oxygen sensor is the big new addition to these apple watches in fifteen seconds I can use infrared lights on the new Apple Watch series six to measure the color of your blood and give you a blood oxygen level right there on your wrist, the new series six. COMES WITH THE NEW ESSEX SILICON chip, a dual courtship that apple is saying is twenty percent faster than the previous generation. It has an always on altimeter. So it will measure your elevations at all times and they say it has an even better always on display that's two and a half brighter even when your wrist is down and while apple did not announce anything like developer Third Party Watch faces they did highlight some developer complications and announced. Seven new watch faces there including with watch seven. This includes a GMT time face that can show multiple timezones account up face. If you're trying to track a certain measurement of time krono graph, face a topography phase they even have an artist made face that has a different actual human faces on the watch face that you can customize a memo deface and what they call the stripes face just a simple various colored design stripe, watch face and Even else they knew kind of band calling it the solo loop. So if you have an Apple Watch now if you've seen the bands, you know that you have that whole and pay kind of design where you choose the size, and now they have a new one single piece of silicon strap that they're calling the. So loop, it comes in that silicon that you know and also a braided. So Luke that of a combination of yarn and. Silicone while this loop is stretchable, it does come in multiple sizes. So if you're wanting to buy an apple watch today, you can actually print out sizing chart. I went ahead and did that and you can print it out cut out this little thing, and you can see what number your wrist is. If you want to get one of these new solo, luck apple watch bands, they come in multiple colors and say the braided yarn one does look. That's the one I would get. They also have a new leather watchband that they're calling the leather link. There's no clasp or loop back on it, and actually has these little links that kind of a notch in. So you're not going to have that loop back on the leather band, and if you'd like to go with leather one, they also announced new Nike bands and Hermanez bands. One of the exciting new features that was rumored and they announced was the new family setup for. Apple. Watch. Now, in order to use an Apple Watch, you have to pair it with an iphone. So if you wanted to give like a child or an elderly relative and Apple Watch, they would have needed an iphone before now apple has announced that family setup is available for Apple. Watch. That means you as an adult can give your child and Apple Watch and connect that Apple Watch to your iphone. It will have its own phone number and I cloud account meaning the Apple Watch can still be separate beyond that child's. Apple ID and they can have their own phone number, but it will be pair to your phone as the adult. So they'd no longer need their own iphone to have an Apple Watch. You can specify what contacts they can communicate with in their messages. You can get location notifications with the GPS models. You can create emojis right on the watch if it's one of these family set up watches and they even have a new school time mode. So you can have your child, put the watching schooltime mode and it. Will have do not disturb restricted interaction with certain contacts and it has a special face for school time. So you can tell that it's in that mode as the adult in order to do family set up for Apple Watch. This does require a series four or newer Apple Watch and it also requires a carrier. So you have an account with at and T. Verizon one of the other carriers around the world it does have limited availability. So check apple's website for the carrier and country availabilities, but it's a pretty Cool feature that's family set up for Apple Watch also as rumored apple announced the new Apple Watch S E and inexpensive version of the Apple Watch. This has the same size display as the series six, but it comes with a year older model chip is comes with the s five chip. There are cellular models available and it has most of the sensors like the accelerometer gyroscope it actually does fall detection, but the Apple Watch Esi was not going to have those newer sensors like the e c g or the blood. The Apple Watch C starts at just two hundred and seventy nine dollars. The New Apple. Watch, series six starts at four hundred dollars or three, ninety nine, and they are still selling the series three Apple Watch and you can buy one of those for just one, ninety, nine or two hundred dollars in line with the Apple Watch announcement they also announced that by twenty thirty, they're claiming that apple will be one hundred percent carbon neutral including supply chain of products and in. The environmental announcement they also snuck in that they will not be including a USB adapter with the new apple watches to view by new. Apple Watch you're going to have to get that little power brick from somewhere else either use the one from an iphone or some other USB brick. So no USB adapter coming with new Apple Watch models you can order the apple. Watch. Right now in the apple store APP on Apple Dot and watches will be available Friday if there's A store opened by you, you can check them out there, but you can order it online today and it ships very soon apple is continuing to focus on fitness and they announced a new apple fitness plus service. This is a new service that has workout videos like that can be watched on iphone IPAD or apple TV, and it syncs with your Apple Watch. So if you start a workout in apple fitness plus let's say on your Apple TV, it will actually start. A workout on your watch automatically, it's on the same I, cloud account, and you can actually see your heart rate calories burned time elapsed the stats that you would have to look at your wrist to see it will actually put those stats on screen. So you can do a workout on your apple TV and see your heart rate right there on the screen, how many calories you burn, and you can even see your activity rings right there on the screen looks pretty cool. Actually they say they're going to announce new routes every week you can choose a workout from any device. Again, you can do it on IPAD. It'll show you your stats on your ipad screen or your iphone even during a workout. If the trainer says check your heart rate, it will actually enlarge your heart rate number on screen so you can see it easier as the trainer says, check your heart be countdowns onscreen during the workouts you get a summary at the end. and. They're launching with several kinds of workouts. You can do this apple fitness plus with Yoga Cycling Dance Treadmill walking run strength training corps, hit rowing, cool downs, and you can select workouts by duration. There's a team of instructors at apple is using to develop this apple fitness plus program, and if you're an apple music subscriber, you can actually saved music playlist. You heard during your workout to your music APP to use later, and they also have a beginner program if you're not. Ready. For some of those full studio workouts, you can do the beginner training program, apple fitness, plus is a new service. It's going to cost ten dollars a month or eighty dollars a year, but you can also get it in the new apple on services bundle that we mentioned a moment apple is plus will be available by the end of this year twenty twenty, and you can share the apple is plus service with your family along with other apple services you also. Get three months free. If you purchase a new apple, watch apple then announced the apple one subscription services bundle was rumored mentioned on the show and it is actually the name that was rumored apple one. They have multiple plans that bundle specific services apple said, it will be available this fall but no set date. It's not available right now and the three plans they showed today was the individual plan. So for fifteen dollars a month, you can get Apple Music Apple TV plus. and. The two hundred gigabyte. I cloud storage plan. That's fifteen bucks a month. It's save you a few dollars for a family. You have to bump that up to nine, hundred, ninety, five or twenty dollars a month and you get those same four services music apple TV plus arcade an I cloud. Now for me, I already paid for cloud apple music and Apple Arcade and saw actually be saving five dollars a month if I go for that family plan. But if I wanted to add apple news plus and the new fitness plus service that is now the. Premier Tier and so you can get the premier apple want services bundle for thirty dollars a month that will be shared across your family and you get Apple Music Apple TV plus Apple Arcade, I cloud two terabyte family storage, Apple News plus and the fitness plus you get those six services across your family sharing for thirty dollars a month you would be saving some money by going with this bundle as opposed to paying for them separately. So again, that will be available sometime, this fall, no set date was announced apple then went on to talk about the IPAD. It's been ten years of IPADS since it first launched and they announced that five hundred million ipads have been sold worldwide. They announced the new eighth generation base level IPAD. Now has the twelve BioNIC chip, which has the six core CPU and four GP apple stating that this new ipad eighth generation is forty percent faster than the previous model. They also continually compare these ipads to windows laptops, android tablets, and chromebooks, and for the ladder saying it's six times faster than topsoil and chromebooks. This is the new IPAD H generation you can use it with the smart. Keyboard Logitech keyboards, and it starts at three hundred and twenty nine dollars or two, ninety, nine for education. This new IPAD will be available Friday but the bigger change came with the new IPAD air. The IPAD air now shares that flat edged ipad pro design. You can even use it with the Apple Pencil to and that wireless charging and actually comes in multiple colors you can get a rose gold green or sky blue model. IPAD air comes with a liquid retina display. It's ten point nine, inch, twenty, three, sixty by sixteen forty, it comes with true tone color. Game at an anti reflective coating does not seem to come with promotion, which is available on the IPAD pro models. There's also no face idea in the IPAD air, but instead they developed a new kind of touch ID, they're calling it the top button or you might know it as the sleep button that you would see on an ipad pro. But this new top button has touch ID built in. It has a sapphire glass top steel enclosure, and so you actually use touch ID to unlock these new ipad airs. It also comes interestingly with a new A. Fourteen bionic chip. This new IPAD air is the first hardware device that has come with a brand new chip, a fourteen. Usually, we see the iphones announced in the fall with the new chip but now we see it for the first time in the IPAD air. Surely, this chip will be coming to the new IPHONE and hopefully ipad pro soon because they did not announce it in the events but the IPAD pro current model comes with the a twelve Z. This new IPAD air comes with a fourteen. This fourteen shape is now a five nanometer chip incredibly powerful. The distance between transistors is measured in atoms. If you could believe that there's eleven point eight billion transistors on a single a fourteen by on a chip, they're saying it's a forty percent increase of performance over the previous IPAD air thirty percent graphics, performance increase, and let me just say as a side note now, knowing how powerful this a fourteen is I can't wait for the first apple Silicon Mex I. Hope they will be coming out soon or Tim Cook it said by the end of the year we'll see the first one this brings the neural engine To the IPAD air and machine learning accelerators are built into the fourteen, and this is the first time we've seen these machine learning accelerators in an IPAD. There's a better facetime camera as well and the new IPAD air starts at five, ninety, nine, five, hundred, ninety, nine dollars the new IPAD air, and they said it would be available next month. Then at the end of the event, apple announced that Iowa's fourteen ipad, OAS fourteen, watch os seven and TV os all those updates are actually coming tomorrow Wednesday September sixteenth you'll be able to download the new versions of. US and all that two year devices tomorrow. So be on the lookout for that check out all the links and show notes to the various news that came from apples. Time flies event today head on over to apple insider dot com to see the top stories and don't forget to check out the weekly show that comes out every Friday. Of course, we're talking about some of these announcements a little more and whether or not. Maybe we got an IPAD or Apple Watch coming in the mail. Thanks for joining us. Don't give us a five star rating and comments and apple podcasts several of you have done that the several weeks and we really. That, you can tweet at me at Stephen Robots and love to hear your feedback and what you think of these announcements are you getting an Apple Watch? What model? What band I'd love to hear it? You can email me and tweet at me. All those links are in the show notes. Thanks for joining us on this special episode covering apples time flies event and will catch next time.

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Upgrade 304: Somebodys Gotta Do It and Its Gonna Be Us

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Upgrade 304: Somebodys Gotta Do It and Its Gonna Be Us

"Relay FM. This is upgrade episode. Three hundred and four and today's show is brought to you very kindly by paying them load and Bomba's. My name is Mike Holly and I'm joined by Mr Jason Snell Hi Jason Snow. Mike curly what a week it's been! Oh, yeah I. Know Big like about as big a week because weeks can be as been the last week. Really big exciting stuff. We've got so much more to dig into like you know I feel like after WC on last episode I felt like that was a big WBZ. But then there's been a lot of stuff that's happened. Since as well was literally, one thing had happened last week wasn't saying casinos so much, not even the state of the Union let alone four days with hundreds of sessions. Just the one thing and I felt like yeah, well. This was a big week on Monday morning and we're gonNA. Get into some of that I think just say we're at. At the top. We have a big interview coming later on in this episode, so we're going to talk about some of the little extra things that we found out, but WBZ but later on in the episode we're going to be joined by butchers. Run Shaw from Product Marketing Team, and we'RE GONNA. Be Talking about Mac os big Sur and Safari. I'm really really excited to bring the interview Torah gradients. Indeed, we talked to them last week. They were at Apple Park. It was very exciting and we will be playing that letter. But before we begin I, have a Hashtag snow. Talk question for you from Stephen. What was your favorite lunch that you had during the DC? Eight no box lunches, and honestly it was such a busy week. I didn't even go outside. Basically and my lunch situation was was grim. Because I'm sharing the house with with teenagers who eat everything and so like. We ran out a lunch mead. One point I had so I have a series of of sad. Give up lunches. I had some. Some pita, chips and Hamas one day was all I could muster I had some English muffins with with peanut butter, and Jelly on them, which was lovely, except that's also what I had for breakfast that day, right? But I did have a Turkey. I did have a Turkey Sandwich At least once maybe twice, and that's generally. My go-to is Turkey, Sandwich. Sometimes the peanut butter sandwich and some leftovers I don't think I had any leftovers last week so nothing spectacular in other words. It was a wd lunch. If you'd like to send in. Question to help purse star an episode of upgrade. You could just send out a tweet with the Hash, tag, Snell talk or now, if you're in the relay, FM member, discord just use the question mark sign followed by snow talk and you could submit a question there, too, so let's talk about some of the little things that we found out over the intervening week. WDC Lot stuff that we didn't know about a lot of things which are A. A new exciting one of them was an accessibility feature that very like lots of really excited about seeing this unless you youtube videos and stuff, which is a feature callback tap, so you can double or triple tap on the back of an Iphone, and it can perform set of actions, and there are some ones that apple to find, but probably the best one is you. Can Shortcut action right there as well so you could run a shortcut. Application or basically anything you can do with shortcuts you can do, and you can set two of these both double and triple tap, and this is a really cool. It will feature. That is as we talk about every year I. Think we find some tonight this now where something is accessibility feature, and it has been created for for like really great reasons right to help people who need a little bit more assistance than using the device, but one of the great things about accessibility features is that they can benefit everyone and this is one of those features I think. Yeah the. Again the the thing with accessibility is that not only is it serving specific audiences, but there are all sorts of other people who can benefit from it, and you know that's one of the reasons that accessibility is important is that everybody needs accessibility to a certain degree at some point in their lives? You know where I. If you're fortunate enough to live to an old age, you're going to have accessibility means that you don't have right now. Possibly and Apple. This is one of those great examples where apple makes a feature with you know the with one audience in mind, but it's it's a it's a broader reach, too, so it's another great thing about apple carrying about accessibility. Yeah and I haven't I I'm not running the bear on my phone yet. So I haven't like worked. How exactly what I was set the full, but I'm thinking probably camera for one and then I. Don't know why would set my triple tap ads, but I feel like the cameras a pretty good double tap action for me to do you. Do you think you might do? I! I don't know I. The shortcut stuff temps me. like could I like turn on the light or unlocked my front door or something like that Maybe so I'm like. Oh, I'm GonNa go with that, but But cameras a good one, too. Yeah, I will explore it I have. A I have it on a Beta on an iphone, but not my primary I owned because I'm not a a maniac. Right, okay. The upgrade into any day. I Love Them. They're beautiful maniacs, but I I'm not I'm not willing yet. You know the Betas. Come out and you're like. A long summer. Do I want to Beta? Software on all my devices that I rely on for the whole summer and you know I can usually put off for a few weeks so. I I have. The force touch, gesture and action. feature I would say is probably a better way of describing. It is gone from Wacho seven. Yeah, yeah, and that that has some big interface ramifications. There's actually a whole session about this about not about four. It's about new UI IN WATCH OS and a lot of it is about getting rid of this contextual menu thing through force touch that is not discoverable. We've known since it first started that it's not discoverable. Obviously, there was a period where apple thought that pressing harder on a screen was something that people would do, and they have now realized that that's not a thing that anyone will do so. They're pulling it out and I think. We're GONNA see and watch West Seven. You're going to see a lot more kind of like floating icons over portions of the screen to indicate there's more to do like you would see on Ios. You're going to see more hierarchical menus like where you can go in deeper down and then back back up. You're going to see more actions. Enlist views where you'll scroll up or down to the bottom or top of a list and you'll, you'll have more like actions that might previously have been hidden I think it's actually going to be better because they're more discoverable than the force touches, but I suspect it also means that the next. Apple Watch is going to be able to be thinner because it's not going to have to have all of the force touch hardware. That senses the extra pressure on the screen. I was safe myself that since apple removed three day touch and made like long pressing like the haptic touch, which is pressing I can never get the watch to work the way I expect it to they don't press anymore. I just hold my finger on my thumb, my iphone, my ipad right like I just hold it in place and opened the action that I want. So I went on my watch and I want to say like clear the notifications I just find myself just holding my finger on the display, but that's not doing what it needs I. Actually need to apply the pressure so I think for consistency across all of the devices. It actually makes sense to remove this feature I think but I'm intrigued to see from a hardware perspective. What is the neighbor apple to do? Because it's going to give them something right and I mean I'm retreat to see what that ends up providing them with by removing that the functionality that. It could be could have more. Battery could be something else who knows. There have been so many improvements to shortcuts more than we'll mention here. We might get into this in a future episode, but just a very high level. Lots of new automation triggers lots of new ones and the. pretty much. All the automation can be run in the background which we wanted, which is fantastic, so you can set a time of day automation and it will run with confirmation. That stuff is fantastic. Plus you know organization. There's a basic an entire overhaul of the of the application. They've really embraced the designed for ipad idea that apple's talking about with sidebars and stuff like that, and you could also copy and paste actions when you'll create and shortcuts nells well, which is which is way better. Yeah Yeah, the the folders is great for organization. The colors are are like more, bright and Nice, which is good in terms of like getting visual distinctiveness, shortcuts runs on the Apple Watch now to, and you can save not just short shortcuts icon, but individual shortcut icons as complications, and then you tap them, and it runs that shortcut, which is pretty awesome. Does a new date picker on. I listen I pat. Os so the. Wheel is gone and it's been replaced by a calendar which you can just tap the day of and then you tap and change the time by typing the in as numbers. I absolutely love this. This was something I didn't know I wanted until I had the the UI. That has been around on the iphone so long picking dates and times a that has definitely grown old. And you know we saw this with catalysts right? They brought it with Matt. Catalyst to the MAC and it was a bad idea and I would assume that in thinking about that. They've also rethought the way that date pickers should be done. On. S Yeah. Yeah you only see the spinning wheel. On if you so the day picker is a month, and then if you need to choose a different month or year, that's a spinning wheel at least on the IPAD that works but the primary interface doesn't have the spinning wheel in it anymore so it's not just on on catalyst, but on ipad it's it's good. All right, so, what else do we have? A Home Pod is third party music of support, not a lot of information about this this on the big bubble slide thing and I missed it during the keynote, but it was one of those little things in the word cloud, which will much more visual this year. Actresses Third Party music support, so you would assume this is. Is One of the couple of things, apple is doing to probably try and combat against antitrust complaints, so we spoke about email and browse. You'll be able to choose on I IPAD OS, and now you'll be able to presumably change your music service to spotify or something like that when with with the upcoming version of Home Pado S or whatever it's called. The home pods still product in their lineup. It's good. The you one chip finally has a purpose to two purposes. This is. One of them was the cocky stuff. Right I mentioned that in the NFL, but there's been session about that. Yeah, there's a session I watched it. It's a German man who tells you about who assumes that your car company. It's like this. This presentation is for the common factor nope. Yes, for me. I am going isn't Verna Herzog, but it is a German Fella who works at Apple, and which I think is funny of course car presentations from German Guy but is as they mentioned in the keynote. The near term for car key is NFC, so it's like apple pay, and this is the. There's a SPEC car activity consortium I. Think is the name of an apple as part of it that it's a it's a consortium, so it's carmakers and tech people, tech companies, and it is trying to come up with a standard so you. You can use your phone as a Karki. That's the bottom line. How how do you do that and the version two point? Oh, Standard! That's out there now is NFC so this BMW that they talked about that? Lets you do a car key stuff the this fall that's NFC which means that you have to hold your phone up to the door and unlocks, and then you have to put your phone. NFC cradle basically on the Dash, and then you can start the car, and that's because if see, you've got to be very close. and they've got to have your verification right you. Can't you just getting into the car? And then that's it. You shouldn't be able to start the car, so they need to have multiple NFC readers. It's not ideal, but they're working on this three point zero SPEC from the car connectivity consortium. That's based on you. You WB ultra wideband, which is the one ship and. And so that next wave of cars will support that and that you don't have to even take your phone out of your pocket or purse or anything, because you wbz lets you do precision location, and so it knows your by the door and unlocks the door, and then it knows your phones inside the car, and it will let you start the car so. Even though they made this initial announcement, and it's about NFC in the car Ke session for auto manufacturers only please they. They made it very clear that that you WB is where this is going and and you know are. Are you going to be able to buy a car with ultra wideband in it tomorrow? No, but next year or the year after these will start to roll out, and and this is one of those things where apple makes an announcement now and you. Know, but it doesn't impact my life now, but if you buy car five years from now, let the rollout carplay years from now you will probably have an ultra wideband. Thing in your car. That will be your car key and you won't need a Karki anymore. Your phone is your car key, and once you do that. You can do things like share your car key with people and the session talks about all the security that they go through all the cryptographic key exchanges and endorsements and things that happen in the background so that you can send your friend your car key and say you know. Don't put a scratch on it. Here's the key and you can do all sorts of stuff like that. You can send them in d. off them, and you can control them, and it's very cool and ultra wideband so part of that. They also announced with a of another session cooled the nearby interaction framework. So this allows developers to be able to use the. Chip to kind of tell if devices close to each other so apple a now opening this up. They've got an API, so you'll be able to to do things to tell how far apart different devices. This could be used for games. It could be used for many other purposes. I guess but it's good to see that they're opening this up because it would actually bring more use cases for this technology for applications that believe that they can use it, which is good, because as we've made many jokes in the post like apple, this chip in that vices I mean too that credit. They didn't really talk about. But they've put this chip in their devices, and it's not doing anything right now. So. It's cool to see that they put this in there and I. Guess the good thing about it is is when they do have stuff. Start coming out for this late this year. They will them apple second generation of devices. That has these chips in it. which is better than what they have done? Disciple stuff in the past where it's like. Hey, new device has this you have to get new device right? Say they'll have a wider install base for various technology, and it may be the it may be that this goes. Other devices in the in the car key thing. They specifically mentioned Apple Watch which they haven't said anywhere else. That NFC should work with the Apple Watch Karki. The problem with the Car Ke is let you in, but unless you take your watch off and lay it down the Dash. It won't actually work, but a future Apple Watch could have a you one or other. Band built into it and at that point you know you literally don't need anything, but just walk up to your car unlocked for you. Because you've got your watch on and then you can start the car, 'cause. You've got your watch on, so they'll. They'll get there, but I think that's a question. Because there's no NFC in ipad, for example, so will there be a you. One and a future I pattern is unclear, but the idea that the the. The location interaction stuff, which is a fun session where a guy has an APP where it's like a monkey that changes depending on how close you get, and at the end of it, he goes all the way to the far end of the room and gives a thumbs up because he's found the other phone. I enjoyed that session actually a lot, but I don't know what the application that is, but it is cool that third parties get access to that stuff. Because otherwise it was just that weird airdrop feature that nobody used. And There's been some information about new recovery modes for Apple Silica Max. Can you tell me what this is all about? Yeah, so they changed everything about. We're going to get back to this, but like the apple silicon Max is an opportunity for apple to change a lot of things that have just been the way. They've been for a long time on Mac sometimes because they have to. They have to build it again like the BOOT loader here. They're essentially I. Think using the iphone ipad boot loader so the the They're using phone IPAD tech. So. They have to say okay well. How do we want new Max boot? How do we want them to boot and? We're going to have to build it because we aren't gonNA use the old system. We have to build a new system, so it forces them like the IPAD pointer. Actually it forces them to do a modern take on what Mac users expect from startup, and you may say to yourself. I don't expect anything from startup I just want my computer to start up, but think about all of those keyboard shortcuts. Shortcuts that all your friends ask you about when they're desperate. Which is like? How do I get to recovery mode? How do is at the PM? How do I booed off external drive? How do I get to single user mode? They probably don't ask that, but it's pretty cool. and the answer is always like different keyboard, shortcuts and stuff, and that's all part of the BOOT process. Yeah like. The MAC whilst holding command and As one of these things where you need to be able to look it up to do it. But. What if the device that you need to look it up on is the one you now can't boot properly, so having a kind of. I think these days. Everybody knows you ever problem US vice. Just whatever you do to turn it off, hold that. And something will happen. So this is the this is the new system so the new system they build. Forget about all those keyboard shortcuts you hold down the power button on startup. She's great and on on laptops. It's that touch ID button. It is essentially the power button presumably on desktops will literally be the power button just not on a keyboard. Just the button you hold it down and what will happen is it will come up with something that looks very much actually like. Like if you hold down option today, it's kind of a black background with your boot disks visible on the screen, but there's also a gear icon for other options, and then that's that's recovery mode. You're in right then, and you can choose at that point to go to other options, you can run the disk utility. You can do a an Internet restore of Mac Os if you're if you're version of MAC OS, messed up like all of it is rolled into that. What's interesting about this? Is that also means that they had to add support for multiple boot. BOOT drives to the BOOT loader. Because if you think about it, you can't install to versions of I had os on an IPAD and choose from startup disk, which one to boot from right? There's only one on the iphone and the ipod Pat. There's only one but accusers. Users expect to be able to have this version here and another version there or two separate installs, and be able to boot from one externally and the other one internally, and all that stuff and apple has built all. All that stuff in, so it's another example of apple kind of like putting together a new take on what Mac users expect because they had to build it again in twenty twenty. What is that look like in two thousand twenty, instead of the thing that they kind of built up over the course of twenty years it's their new take on it, and that goes to you know like like recovery as an example where on current Max, you have your boot partition, and then you have. A secret recovery partition, and if that isn't there, then you just have to do Internet recovery well, apparently on this version there's your boot partition your recovery partition, and then there's like the super secret emergency partition. And that one will boot if the other ones fail, and it can then restore. and. Start off that process, so there's more kind of cashed away. That isn't on the Internet now, but still it'll get you back up and running anyway. It's very interesting I'm sure more details will come out, but anybody who supports Max whether it's as a profession or with their friends and family This is going to change how we do that. I I hope for the better. because. You know it's much more straightforward, right? You can just hold on the power button canal. You're gonNA see the screen. Click on the gear. Click on this right and you'll be able to walk people through everything like that Oh and target mode, which is a popular thing you know, hold down command t when you start up and your computer becomes disk drive right. That was always the it was. was originally like the fire wire target disk mode, and then it just became regular old target mode the idea there is like you hold down that key command. Your computer is now drive you. Plug it into another computer. You can see the contents of the hard drive. They changed that as well now. Your computer becomes a server becomes a file server, so you go into the options and you choose. Sharing mode or or disc, sharing, mode or something like that, and basically in in recovery it becomes an SMP server, so if you WANNA evacuate files off of it now you can do that. You don't even need cable. Because presumably it's on your local network via Wifi or Ethernet and you can just connect to it in recovery mode, and and helicopter the files off. You need so lots of rethinking of what think of as sort of traditional MAC features. that. They've had to reimplement and they've done it in a modern way rather than just having it be a copy of what was there before for Intel. And I think the last thing I wanted to mention today was I think what many people agreed almost one of the most entertaining session videos of everything that came out from WGC, which was designed for the ipad Os. Pointer, this is a fascinating session, which is mostly pretty high level talking about design and decisions about from I'm assuming this is the team that created and developed the IPAD pointer. Is for individuals who go through different can like considerations that they made about kind of what the I've had pointers doing conceptual level why they decided to make it. Look the way that it did how you design custom pointers in how they should interact. The thing is absolutely fantastic and fascinating session. The I recommend everybody watch. I agree it is a great session. Session it was my favorite session of the week and it is mostly not technical in the in the way that you're thinking a developer session would be. It's you know because there are developers sessions where they get into the code, and I keep hitting the fifteen second. Skip button because it doesn't. It's not gonNA. It's actually I think it's GonNa build for. Pointer. That's very technical. Different types of things is designed for IPAD, so if you appreciate design whether you're a designer or not, if you appreciate design, or you appreciate finding out how the thing you use works, and the principles behind it, if you like sort of taking apart or understanding better, what's going on? Whether or not you use the IPAD pointer, but if you have then you've you've experienced this and you're like why. Why is this different? What decisions they make? It very much said about all the boot stuff. This is reinventing the pointer. This is literally saying okay. In one eighty four, the pointer was invented for a certain purpose, and we're essentially using the same one now, but in twenty twenty. What do we wanted to be? And there's some fascinating things in there about like degrees of precision, and why it's a circle, and not an Arrow and how it changes, and it's really a great session I. I. Highly Recommend it for anyone who cares about design, functionality, or just understanding why stuff works the way it does. I also just wanted to note. To pieces of fallout for two interviews, that Craig veteran was involved with was. I will recommend people. Go and watch the YouTube video that maccabee HD. which was content that was cut out of his podcast interview, so he will serve released a longer interview on his way foam podcast rectory, but then did a kind of edited. which I really liked the presentation of this, it was like. A video of responding to. Kind of a his view, is that comments things that they weren't sure about the things they wanted more information on, and it was like marquess would kind of set up a point, and then go to ask Craig what it was and get Craig's implement. It was really nicely done. Video obviously is Marcus. Brownlee, right, so it's perfectly done really well done the podcast interview itself on the way phone podcast is also interesting, because My cousin Craig actually talk about how. The production was done. For the for the keynote so obviously. Marcus interested in that kind of stuff, so that's also really good, and I recommend that while, but the video self is, if you just want to spend twenty minutes, or whatever so it's really done. Recommend that. And then of course I mean I'm sure everybody here has probably already seen the talk show we've Craig vetter again and jobs. Right was was was. John his guests, you so video version again and Creggan gels or a apple. and. I see him. That Juncker was in his Home Office. Or or a location? it's a very nice location I suspect. It's not his actual office, but rather a a nice background chosen, but maybe maybe it is maybe his office actually normally. It looks like that I don't know. 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This interview was conducted last week and we hope that you really enjoy it here. It is so I wanted to stop this by actually talking about Safari, because obviously safari is a massively important part of any version of micheals it's. Probably for many people. The APP that they have open all day every day. They do most of their work in, but this year safari and Biggs has a ton of new features. I think Craig called a the biggest update ever during the KENO and I really wanted to try to understand from your perspective. Why is that? I think the CRAG is absolutely right. This is the biggest release of safari that we've done really since we first introduced it. And it starts with a lot of the hallmark features that people have come to know and love around safari things like industry leading performance. Were improving jobs performance continue to lead the industry there. We have industry leading battery life, delivering this amazing performance, letting you browse and stream video longer than other popular browsers. We're upping the ante on privacy. We have a pioneering track record on protecting user, privacy and Safari, and this year with the privacy report were raising awareness around how safari protects you making it really easy for users with the click of a button to see what trackers are being blocked as they browse the web, which is really cool. Improving extensions, and so now we're GONNA support the new web extension. API, so this whole range of extensions that are out there developers can be able to easily bring those to safari, and we're even shipping tools and ex code to make it really easy for developers to do that and they've done it. We built on all new category on the MAC APP store showcase those extensions without a. Top charts, so users can discover those great extensions and start using them which is awesome, and then addition to all of that we have a whole set of additional features everything from the customizable start page the let you add new types of content like the reading list or your cloud tabs, but you customize your background image. To An all-new tab design, that's more space efficient. That allows you to see your fabrications by default. It's really awesome, and then we built in translation. Right into safari to so now you browse the web and you come across a site that you want to translate. We've got a really elegant experience to do that. So just a huge released safari this year. We think users are going to love it, so let's let's maybe hit those really quickly and turn in terms of the privacy. You showed it. There's some judgment. Going GonNa Happen when you visit. A site to help us understand sort of what's going on behind the scenes which I think, it's really interesting. I think it's definitely in fitting. With sort of apples approach to security and privacy on the Web Catava, a little bit about the thought process of getting a little more in users faces with disclosure about what their web browser is doing, and what their sites there visiting are doing when they visit them sure so we've been doing this on the user's behalf for a while now we I introduced intelligent tracking prevention, two thousand seventeen, and so we've been blocking this type of third party tracking for a while now we. We want to raise awareness and let users know that this is happening and give them information that makes them more aware of the tracking that's being attempted as they browse the web, and so with a click they can see the trackers that are attempting to track them on the current website, or they can get even more information and see those trackers for the past thirty days and I think Roenick as well when you're talking about extensions. That's another great place where I don't think consumers know enough about the potential risks that you have with extensions. They're incredibly powerful. Right and they do some amazing things in developers have been. Nominally, creative with them, but they also introduced some privacy risks that I think are are really important for us and others to educate users about so that they know. Hey, with this great power comes some some risk and we need. We have a responsibility to help. People see that and one of the things that we're doing. There is when you enable extension for the first time, and you go to a site and you want to use it when you click, we'll ask you how much access you want to give to that extension whether you want to give access to the site just for the day. Day Or if you want the extension to be able to access anything that you browse, and so we think it's really important to be able to give that users that level of control as they use extensions and by the way. I am definitely going to be using that recipe extension that best showed. That is just phenomenal. Oh my God. Yeah, well. My wife turn to me when we are watching it and said I want this because every website has like power Goff's paragraphs of text before the House the recipe we were gonNA. Talk about search engine optimization in cooking blogs, but oh boy. Yes, absolutely! They all know what they're doing but I. don't like it. It's it's Kinda user hostile. I want to talk about extension to I'm a safari user everywhere and yet there are certain things where I have the stuff that I do in chrome. And a lot of it has to do with some very specific extensions so I was excited by this. It seems to me I. Don't know a lot about extension browser extension development, but it sounds like. Most of the extensions that are out there that are based on chromium, so I fire Fox, but also chrome comes from. That is the idea here that it shouldn't be a complete rewrite or anything like that for these extensions to come over that because you're using this specific format that the developers of those extensions will fairly quickly be able to bring them. THEM UP ON SAFARI. That's right and a lot of cases. Developers won't have to make any changes at all. Simply need to use the tools to package up their extension, and they'll be able to publish those to the APP store directly. In some cases, developers will have to make some minor modifications, but we expect that chrome firefox extension developers are going to. To have a pretty straightforward time bringing these extension safari, getting them on the maxtor and having all of our users able to download the newsome and Roenick is in a lot of that functionality built index code twelve. That's right, and so we're shipping tools and EXCO twelve that make all of that really seamless can automatically package up these extensions and formatted used by other browsers, so developers have a really streamlined process to do all of this and a lot of those extensions that I'm using I'm using on one website where I'm using them. You know one session and then I don't use them again for another month and I like the idea that I can say okay now. I'm using you know that. Go to that browser a week later. It's not sitting there loading reading every single page. I can just have it on what I want, and then it goes away, which is nice. Yeah, we think users are going to love that. It's going to give you control, and it's just a really nice way to know exactly what sense can access. I actually wanted to follow up on the privacy stuff that you were saying. That you obviously at apple have been seeing and have been able to to keep track of a lot of the trackers and stuff that's been following around people on the web, but with the new safari features it brings them to the forefront for people by as a as a shield icon in the toolbar which people can tap, and they can see about the trackers. Do you think this level of putting it in front of People's faces will educate them more in that day may then start to mind change from the websites that they visit. We hope so I mean certainly we want a part of this is raising awareness for users. Part of it is also we're. We're also doing in the hope that users will demand more, and if that's where this goes, I think that that's great, and if it also means that users expect more from the site visit, but from the browsers that they use. That's great, too. We want this not only to be about raising awareness, but also hopefully to help push the industry forward in terms of how users get tracked on the web. Yeah, and I think if you look at the privacy principles that Craig outlined at the very beginning of the section in the keynote there were four and the last one in the one we've been really focused on. is about transparency and control it is about. What is happening that then allows you to demand end to take control, and when people think about privacy they. They understand that there's a risk there, but they don't necessarily know what to do about it. And what we really want to do is to bring some of these things to the four, so they can become more educated. They can become more demanding. They can demand of. Of all of us to do better, and that only starts when you actually know about what's going on, and that's why that transparency kind of pillar is so critical to privacy in in so many different places, another of privacy and security when it comes to the web is passwords. Can we talk a little bit about some of the possible functionality than new version of Safari? Absolutely so in addition to monitoring unwanted tracking, we're also this year security monitoring your your say passwords and one of the really cool things that we can do now is securely detect if one of your save passwords involved in a data breach, and we use a cryptographic derivation of your password, so apple doesn't get your password information, but we can compare that derivation. Derivation against lists of breach passwords, and if your password is involved in data breach, we can alert you, and we make it really easy to upgrade to securely generated password. That's more secure, so that's what I was GONNA ask as you're not just looking at like sources that were breached. You're looking at. Did my password get leaked in data? Breach my specific. Specific Password that's right and we can do that in a secure way where we don't get that information, but we can make the comparison and let you know so. We're super excited to be releasing that this year both on Mac os and as well from a user perspective. Do they see that when they go to log into that website again or is? Is there kind of a different flow where lots people soon as it's been found out, so we'll actually notify you if we detect your passwords had been in a data breach, and we also alert you in the password settings as well. I wanted to ask about page translation. 'cause we all get the idea. Right I go to a page that is in. In a language I don't have in my list of languages and so I. Don't understand it, and this is always I will tell you. It is always somebody sending me to an amazing investigative report on Spiegel or one of these other. German website and I'm like okay. I told High School German but so I want to know about like hind the obvious. Obvious, which is now safari can translate that page, which is great I'm curious sort of like how how does this work? Is it all happening on device? What is happening device obviously language detection going on, is that looking at the webpage literally saying I'm serving you German, or are you looking at the text on the web page detecting that it's German and. And then is it going over the Internet to do that translation or is doing it on device? The way it works is that we actually do all of the language detection on device. So as you browse, we can detect what language website that you're visiting in and user decides that they want to use translation. We actually send the contents of the page. Page the taxed to an apple server. It's not tied to your apple. Id and that information is translated on our server. That tax stored entirely in memory. We don't store it on disk at all. We do the translation. Send it back to Safari. And then we discard that information on the server side so that you get that translation information back to you. Safari also receives a lot of design refinements. You know you were mentioning about especially to like the star patients stuff like that which I think kind of leads into talking about big Sur in general. Huge design changes for Mac os why, now for of this stuff like what about twenty twenty? What about this version of Mac Os felt like the right time to start taking a look? What Mac Os looks like again. Yeah, you know it's a situation where we make design changes very carefully and thoughtfully, because they have such huge ramifications in many cases they are. We're talking about updating hundreds of millions of devices, and we carry that responsibility with with a lot of a lot of weight and concern and what we WANNA to do is we wanna look at each of the platforms that we have and look for ways in which we can better match the capabilities of that platform. Platform together with the design and bring the bring those components together, and as we were looking at Mac Os and macaroni big Sur, we really felt like there was an opportunity here to use the Palette of the operating system and use the the entire beautiful large display. The Max have to give you better access faster access to your to your content and bring that forward in a way, and so when you see things like the translucent menu bar when you see kind of the layering of the different menu items and elements. That's really debris. What's most important to the fore and let the other pieces be available, but also be standing just slightly back and if you look at. That great film that Allen did in the keynote. You get a real sense of that because he's. He's talking about how. These layers are being created and put up almost in Three D. and thinking about okay, how do you? How do you prioritize those pieces and so for us it? We want to make the best use of. Of the platform that we have, but we also want to balance that with a degree of familiarity, so somebody who is coming from a different device. Coming across to the MAC for example, we want them to be able to be instantly comfortable, but at the same time make sure that we're doing things that are kind of authentic to the platform. A great case in point are the icons on the dock. If you look at them, look at the mail icon. For example it's instantly familiar, but if you zoom in, it's got the craft and the care. Care and the beauty. That Mac icons have been known for since the beginning you know zoom in, and you'll see embossed in the back of the envelope is Apple Park Cupertino California right. It's those thoughtful touches that provide the continuity and kind of help. People understand you know. The MAC is still a Mac and it's amazing, but we're also providing a degree of familiarity with these these other platforms while. While at the same time, advance and kind of the design purpose that's within macro. Biggs so we think it's a phenomenal design update. We think people are gonNA. Love it and just excited for people to get their hands on. It The dog icons a kind of a perfect metaphor. Think for what's happening in big Sur where as you say, there is an element for the UI design bringing consistency. Consistency, but not forgetting what the MAC is, what is history is where it's come from by going to those levels to putting in little Easter eggs to just really having those icons be much more detailed than counterparts in Iowa's, which speaks to the fact that Mac os is macro us. Yeah, and it's beyond even just the visual approach. Right if you go and look at what we've done with sounds. The MAC is a platform. If you look at the latest generation of hardware, the audio ability of the Mac both to record and playback is phenomenal, and it created a great opportunity to kind of rethink, and reimagined some of the some of the sounds, and we've gone and created very familiar, but slight riffs off of things that we've had for many many years, and even done things like. Bring back the BOOT chime. As as a way to signal, hey, this, yes, this is a new Mac Os with macro as big Sur, but it stand on the shoulders of the great leaps in the operating system to date definitely feels momentous. We've got. Not only my favorite thing, which is version numbers where we go to version eleven, but you've got the apple silicon coming in with those Max and you've got this designed refresh. It definitely feels it's been twenty years since I was ten started. Really it does feel like this is sort of almost like a generational change it it does feel like it's the biggest visual refresh for sure. Since aqua, or since Aqua- got muted, but it's been a long time, so it all feels like. This is a good time for change. Because everything is changing to a certain degree, yeah, I think there is a moment in time where you want to kind of move things forward in a significant way, and this is that moment in time now that being said if you. If you look at it, you know our operating systems actually have kind of two levels of names right? There is Mac os big Sur, a, which is following the tradition, of California, locations, and by the way I think big Sur is the perfect name for this. Because anybody's visited big Sur knows it's amazing, combination of power and beauty and that I think really is is appropriate for for this release. And, we've continued that that tradition going from Catalina now to to big Sur, but then the version number, which speaks really significantly to the developer community is where we have also signalled. This is a big a big moment in time by going from version ten to to version eleven and really helping people. You know if they didn't already know, it's time to kind of. Sit Up and take notice obviously. Obviously every year is a big year for the MAC. This one included as well as being a MAC professional like our coordinated will my shows on Max I'm also a big I professional as well and I use the IPAD quite law and one of the things that I was really excited about with the whole. Keno Hall seeing how there are elements of IPAD, OS design and the new macos design. That seemed to be. Kind of coexisting moving along together is that consideration now the these two? Kind of becoming a little bit closer in their visual consistency to try and help maybe bridged the gap. People like me that work on both platforms I'd say functionality. Let's throw that in there, too. I mean obviously added board and pointers support, but then when when I see for example, a lot of people have said Oh. The MAC in big Sur looks a lot more like the IPAD, but I somebody who's written a book about photos like the side. Bar In photos on. On, the IPAD I'm like I know where that came from right it's that's learning lessons from Mac and applying them to the IPAD. When you talk about that and you throw in, that catalyst definitely seems like the the IPAD are learning from each other more than ever. Yeah, and I think people should expect that right and just go look at widgets for example which are phenomenal that are inspired by a lot of what we've learned with the watch in terms of creating glance. is in ways in which you can visually get access to information very quickly and clearly and so want to take those learnings, but again coming back to my previous point, we wanted to do it in a way that is specific and authentic for the platform. that. We're designing for so it's not like Oh. That's a great feature. Let's go copy pasted over here. I mean. We haven't talked about it, but if you look at control center on the Mac obviously that's a construct that we had elsewhere, but the way that we've brought it to. The MAC is uniquely suited to the MAC. You can tear off controls and put them into the menu bar. You can dive down and get more fine. Grain controls. It is really well suited for the MAC. If you look at messages a simple example. Example but yes, we've brought over. You know great features from is fourteen light being able to pin conversations and having inline replies, and now you can add up Emoji and those things, but also added keyboard shortcuts, multiple windows' and yeah windows. Exactly maps is a perfect example of that you know. Bring up three windows within map, so you've got one for reading about the guides for a location. You're going to another one. One for the route, and another one for for for look around I mean what else reineck. What else comes mine? I mean multiple windows. If you want to really in the details, I mean look at some of the things that we've done with pop overs in messages so that you can get to all of these new features. We've been able to use catalysts to not only bring over new features that we introduced. Introduced in messages on this year we were able to bring over features like a fax and the photo picker emoji stickers The people have been wanting for a really long time and we've been able to do that. Using maxed out controls maxed out. Check boxes maxed out pop overs. They'll look and work. Great been wanting to see lasers messages on my Mac for awhile now so I'm very much looking for. Is Is there a conversation. How does the conversation work in terms of you've got teams working on the Mac who are bringing for example, messages and naps. Over using that catalyst new versions that are coming from the IPAD using that catalyst. and. There are also people who are working on Matt Catalyst on the tools that all developers have to use to effect this move from ipad to the MAC. How does that work do those teams? Are they collaborating in a cycle developments like this? Are they collaborating all the time? Does the maps team call up the catalyst demon and say we really need to do this thing? Can you make this work for us? US, I, I'm just. I'm curious how that conversation goes on because the truth is that two major system APPs on Mac os are completely relying on that catalyst now and so obviously, Matt catalysts needed to be capable of doing the job and I. Think when we you know. If you go back to win, we introduced AMAC catalyst. The the goal was to be able to get people who had built amazing IPAD. And had that code base to get them to come across to the MAC and be able to spend their time, really finely tuning it for the for the mack experience, and in the intervening time we've done nothing, but listen to external and internal developers as to the kinds of things that they wanted to have, and felt would be most useful and effective, and then have added that in. And if you look at this release of Matt Catalyst, it's huge, I mean the number of additional capabilities that have been added in is phenomenal, and they can now take advantage of. Accessing essentially every pixel on the MAC take advantage of universal purchase. All of the controls that that Roenick was talking about so that inspiration and that drive comes from wanting to have the best apps possible on the MAC for developers coming from from any direction, and that includes both the internal teams as well as the external teams. It makes sense. Last year I talked to a lot of developers who, because there were so much enthusiasm over releasing swift Ui, which is understandable. There was also this question of sort of like wh-. Maccabi, list and sort of Matt Catalyst last year. Year was making good on the promise of the year before, so we're going back multiple. WWe sees now but I. I know that they all had their lists. Right of here are the things that I want my Mac catalyst to do and that were. They were all pretty enthusiastic, because it is quite an endorsement, I was talking to somebody today. Who said well when you see Major, Mac APPs from apple brought over that catalyst. It seems like a pretty solid endorsement for using that catalyst so I think they're enthusiastic seeing apple. What apple can do with messages and maps? And I think the the real proof. Point here is go use those two applications and they they are just phenomenal. For All the reasons. Roenick just mentioned and at the end of the day we are one company right so the fact that this should be a great combination of efforts and be the best representation what you can do with Matt. Catalyst is what. What you should expect of us what you think of some of the key areas that developers should be focusing on to make sure that their APPs are going to look at home on big Sur, so there are a number of things that if they're using the modern frameworks built within EXCO and within the operating system, but they're using the modern framework so. So actually get a lot of the pieces and the components for free as it were, and they will get the standard treatments and they'll they'll have. They'll have access to a number of the capabilities that we've been talking about. That will make Mac os big Sur. Really what it is and I think one of the ones we were talking about earlier is. Is, in fact, the icon we've provided some guidelines some suggestions for how to fit within kind of a standard framework, but then to be able to be creative within it and I think it's actually all you have to do is be a user and go look at the look at your doc. You can almost sometimes gauge win. The APP was last updated. Modernity of its of its icon. And so I actually think one of the things people should do is when they once they get their their APP incredibly performance, and doing all the things that you would. You would want to also go look and see you know. What is your front door? Look like and does it represents kind of the visual approach in the treatment in a fresh way in which we've created our own icons, and and think about how they wanna be represented in that in that same format so much like mocking in a way as well really. Isn't it like because as well especially if he's absolutely? Mad Capsule, it will help and stand out I'm sure, but it's an important part of an application. It's the identity of the application in many many ways. Yeah, which is which is why you know going back to why we spent so much time thinking about the icons on that has been for a long time that has been such an important part of how you represented. What was inside this amazing application? and. You need to approach it in a thoughtful way because users are discerning. And you take a lot away from what you see in that little rounded wreck. That's sitting on the on the homepage. Yeah, I have to own up to there being many apps that sometimes I feel like I can't use because the icon. Thing, where like I'm like I? Don't know if I can keep clicking. On. Shaming I can't help it. Actually. Personality of APPs goes beyond. This is just strikes me one of the features big Sur. Is this idea that apps can set their own kind of signature color? And so you can have a user can say I want to be in I. Want everything to be orange or blue, or whatever, but the default is this multicolour mode which lets every APP in addition to their icon and everything else about them. Let's them sort of have their. Which I think is really interesting, little quirky thing about letting every APP express itself, and that goes for apples APPs that are on the system, but it also goes for every third party APP. That can say well. We're going to be bold and red, or we're going to be a light blue, or what whatever and that makes those apps potentially feel even more. Homey for lack of a better word like it's part of the APP identity along with the icon. Yeah and I also think it serves a real functional purpose to which is especially today with the MAC being so powerful in us doing so many different things within the MAC and having multiple windows up. One of the things you want to do is very quickly. Be Able to figure out which window you need to go to, and if you've got a little glimpse of color that you've put in the back of your head over his mail. It's. A great cue that serves you know not only a way I I. Love The we put it. Shows off some of the personality of the APP, but it also serves a functional purpose so that I can go get that and recognize it and kind of start to build some of the muscle memory at builds creates in order to all these things so. I'm excited to see how people are going to how they're going to use it. And what is going to start to look like? It's funny that you say about blue being male I feel like every third party mail ever seen uses blue and white for its icon. And I'm sure that that all goes back to the episode of mail up right like that's worth that comes from. Yeah, Yeah Yeah. No, they yeah, and it is funny. How that color memory is so strong for you. Yeah, okay, so we've got developers receiving. Betas of big Sur now. apple has announced that there will be as there have been the last few years. Public Beta forthcoming in July Beta cycle. Obviously, it's for people who want to try the new stuff out before it's ready to go for the masses. It's also a feedback cycle and every Beta version comes with a feedback assistant. What kind of feedback do you expect to get an? Are you looking for as part of the Beta process whether it's from users or developers, and does that get incorporated if? What we see today in the developer release is not necessarily a done deal about the final release. There's going to be stuff that apple learns and recognizes based on user feedback and adjust along the way right, so we spend a ton of time going through the feedback that we get. It's the whole reason that we we do the public data. We want people using it. And we want to get feedback from everything from technical bugs and issues feedback on the features themselves and like I said we have teams that spend a lot of time going to that feedback identifying things that we need to spend more time on pay attention to and that feedback ends up in the final product when we ship it in the fall, there are many things that we've incorporated from that that helped make the release better, and so I can remember when we started the pub doing public Betas a few years ago, but it's been become really important part of our process as as we develop software and refine it in. In the final months before release, so if something doesn't look right or doesn't make sense or doesn't work right they for somebody using the Beta, they need to get out that feedback assistant and send that feedback to apple. Because you've got people looking at that all summer. That's right and we want to hear about it, and we've actually made a lot of improvements to the feedback. Assistant itself to make that process even easier so that it's really easy for users to send US feedback because that's incredibly valuable to us. We talked about catalysts a little bit I want to at least bring this up. This is this is a little. Big Sur, but it's slightly tangential as well which is one of the announcements that I don't think a lot of us expected in the keynote was the idea that in addition to IPAD APP developers being able to bring their APPs to the Mac, using that catalyst that on apple, silicon APPs that are for iphone and IPAD will be able to run natively inside Mac os the which is surprising. It's interesting. I'm curious if you have any thoughts about sort of like how you view an APP that's running in big Sur that's. Mac Native developed using ABC kit versus something developed using that catalyst I is something that we're now going to have another class of APPs. which are things coming over from the APP store? How you know how does that? How that work? How does that look and do you think you know how to use react to that? Yeah, wow, a lot to unpack in one and it was a big. It was a big moment. Yeah, it was it was definitely a surprise and almost, and it was a mind blowing moment. To. Think. Just pulling back a second. If you look at it within the broader, the broader context, our goal with any transition, and especially with this upcoming transition to Max with apple silicon, we want to make it seamless for developers and seamless for users, but we really want to start first with the developer community, and that's why it was really important for us to talk about Rosetta to and all of the amazing capabilities there as a transitional technology while. While you're getting your APP ready to become a universal binary, so as a universal binary which you can generate in echoed twelve. You have one single file that you can distribute. That will run on both Intel based MACs as well as Max with apple silicon. Be Able to kind of take that out to people that way you saw all of the great additions to catalyst for people to be able to take their IPAD OS or Code base and move that in and on top of that. Because we will have a with apple, silicon will have a unified silicon platform. We can also look it doing things like bringing those apps that are running on IOS or Pat Os over to the MAC. And what's great about it is that there will be. There'll be a class of APPs where the developer doesn't necessarily know. Know yet whether to go invested time in developing a MAC version, but they want to give their users access to the capability creativity, and so they opt in to putting their their APP into the MAC APP store, and by the way this is all within the developers control right. They get to decide whether or not the the APP goes there, but then once it goes there. The user can has access to it in the same way that they would irs or IPAD or west. The developer can learn a ton and they can decide okay. Hey, maybe it's time for me to then go invest the time, and let's use Matt Catalyst to get it into. into becoming more of a native Mac APP and let me start to build out that functionality because I see what people are doing with it, so we just think for developers. It's going to be a phenomenal way to extend the number of people that can make use of. The creative work that they've done on and also enrich and kind of the the MAC ecosystem, so people can can have access to some of the things that are going on on the other platforms, so at the end of the day was really important to us. Is that across all of these dimensions that this transition is seamless for developers and Users. And that's going to continue to be the focus as we move forward on the fact that so I use an ipad primarily when I'm traveling and I think about what if I, was using a Mac laptop and there are certain IPAD. APPs that I would really miss. That aren't Mac APPs. And I think about this scenario and I will now I can run those apps to, and then maybe eventually they'll be something that gets brought over to catalyst. Also, there are lots of places in my current mack experience where the answer is. We have an IOS APP. and if you're on a Mac you just need to use our website and I love Safari I already said it, but you know what I love Apps more than I love webpage. And I can see some of those i. just really see the benefit. especially the ones that are using flash which is going to be deprecated December. The benefit of being able to say Oh I. Don't have to run that lousy website anymore can run their iphone APP or their IPAD APP which is way better so for me. Part of this is the opportunity to move some stuff where I've got kicked. To allows a website and instead I get to use a great APP. That works that works for me. Yeah, that's a great example Jason because it's. There's real utility that you WANNA make use of and sometimes these APPS are coming from small development shops where they don't have a lot of time, but in this process they'll come over and they'll have provided that they've been using kind of modern frameworks. They'll have great native Mac capabilities along with them, so it won't. You won't feel like you're having to. Settle for something it'll be like. Oh, my gosh, this is just. It's magic that this just happened, so yeah, we think it's going to be great part of the of the overall story as we begin the transition to Max with apple silicon. Ever people who don't who didn't notice the file system. Stuff is the part that made me sit up and take notice where you know you open a file. File in an IPAD APP and you're opening your files on your Mac, it's just it just kind of happens, and that's a beautiful thing. Because then you don't end up in a weird space where you're like, wait a second. How can I opened files? If I'm not on an IPAD? It just shows you your files on your Mac. It's it's nice. I like it Yep. Glad glad you appreciate it. And so many ways like so many of the ways that we've touched on. Really does feel like Mac os for now and the future. I'm very excited about it myself. I couldn't agree more and I think I'm just excited for for folks to be able to get access to big start to explore it and see all of these kind of layers of of story and technology, and the fact that in it just works the way that you would expect it to I think it's really a powerful representation as you as you say about today tomorrow, the future. And, like I said appropriately named big Sur Bulb I really really want to thank you. Phebus Spangler some time of upgrade today. It's been absolutely wonderful to get your insight and your thoughts on on everything. You've got going on at the moment. Thank you, it's been. There's a lot in dub dub this year and we really appreciate you guys investing the time to kind of unpack it with us. Thank you for having US yeah. It was a big week, wasn't it? Feels like it's been multiple weeks. 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It sometimes, it's not about the details, but it's about the philosophy. It's SORTA. Like well. We think that this is so like asking them about running IOS IPAD apps on the MAC like. That's the kind of thing where they can get. Maybe a little sense of how apple's approaching it from that. Which I think is very helpful, so I'm very appreciative of those guys to take the take the time and sit down with US virtually from Apple Park Yeah and what was a very busy week for them I'm sure so. I think people available to talk to us was great, and I'm really thankful for the many many many people that were involved in making that happen these things, a quiet, quiet production, and I'm really happy that everything's able to come together. Yup Now. Jason had a great idea for topic today that we're GonNa talk about now, but when Jason was telling me about this topic, I thought to myself this feels. This feels a little more than usual topic. This feels quite fun now if you're new to read. Every summer. Things start to get a little slower in the news department, so we say to ourselves and we sit many years ago. We thought we would start coming up with some topics that aren't necessarily news. Related aren't necessarily reporting about things, but we have a little bit more fun with them than we usually do, so. We're doing something that nobody was expecting us to do including ourselves right now, and we are transitioning right now into the summer of funds, summer affirmed. Happening in the middle of an episode and the summer of fun is now going to take us all the way through with some cool vibes vibes all the way through to maybe September maybe October who knows fun is right now. The calendar the summer of fun cannot be limited. It goes until it's done, and then it leaves us and yet we can't control it. So what are we going to talk about for author? Summer of fun segment this year Jason Snow well. I wanted to do this and I didn't WanNa wait. Because everybody's going to be talking about it so it just again. The summer of Fun Force Detained and said I must happen now. We're going to build. The Apple Silicon Mac. This is quite an important job. We found ourselves care here. Yeah well, somebody's got to do it, and it's going to be us because apple, the only people doing right now or at apple and they're not talking, so we're going to do it the premise here. Is that so back in the Intel Transition fifteen years ago, apple just released the same MAC designs. It had before it was like a a trying to send a message of stability, right? It's like it's okay. It's still an I mac. It just has an intel processor in it now. Now I feel like based on what we learned last week. This feels different. I'm starting to get this sneaking suspicion that apple has been holding on to a lot of features because why implement that and go through all the trouble of implementing this on the current hardware when they already have built it for IPAD and Iphone, and they could just move it over once. They're on apple silicon, and maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we'll see that we. We could be wrong here, but I think it's worth. Pondering what would what apple may have in reserve to roll out starting toward the end of this year in terms of new features and designs that are powered by apple, finally controlling the whole system on a chip, and what they might bring in from the iphone and the IPAD. This is not a draft, but I think we can alternate and. Come up with whatever ones we think are most interesting and do it that way, so it gives it feels a little like a draft, but it's not a draft because there's no competition. We're just having fun things a collaborative draft. As you will. See I think this is a good idea and I like. You'll set up here because I think you'll right I? Think that's probably a combination things going on here. It could be a case of now that the fact apple are killing their own chips. It's like this stuff that they know how to do better if they're controlling it or things that are just way easier for them to do. A great again. Is. That just wouldn't be easy for them to do while choosing Intel because it requires love of a hardware. Of chip design, but now that they're doing it on their own. It's like well. We already have these features in our Iowa's devices. We know how to do that. Let's do it, but also the idea of like. If you have some really cool features on the way, don't don't blow them. Maybe like there's there's ways to think about apple right and we've just spoken to people, marketing and product. Are Intertwined And that is important to consider how sometimes there may be a decision that they make which is a product decision a feature decision, but they make the right time because the mocking story fits right, dot can go both ways because sometimes make tough decisions earlier than they need to. Because they want it for marketing reasons right so getting rid of thirty two APPS STATE TO. BE APPS in Catalina may have been because the when the MAC silicon stuff comes around while they can't run thirty two bit APPs anymore, so do that earlier than you need to, so you can it and focus on what you want to fillet. Iran, when you need it right kind of follow what I'm saying. Yep! So. Let's talk about some of these features. Should we. Should we go in in almost like draft style, but we have listened was talking about the I think it's. We're making a list by alternating, but it's not a draft. One of the things that lots of people have one ED and they haven't done yet. And I think will be made easier by ample kind of controlling the whole stack mall is a cellular modem in Mac or in a Mac laptop especially. I can imagine this stuff being way easier for apple to be able to produce when they're in control of the whole thing, because the chips that they make already integrate or have an integrated modems in them. and apple is continuing to move forward with future like five G. and stuff like that developing stuff on their own something. We've heard a lot of right and they acquired a bunch of stuff. They would need to a quiet Intel's chips. They bought Intel's modem business. So I can imagine. A future Mac. Laptop can't magic desktops getting them, but. Future Mac, laptop having integrated. Lt Five G. I think that makes sense think you'll make people happy. I my gut feeling here is that since they're still currently using qualcomm stuff. It's not going to happen in the short term, but once they are making their own cellular modem silicon than I think it gets. Much more probable they will do it. My my question has been all along. You know why not make cellular Max. Why not do it? Why not just sell it for an extra? Thirty Bucks or whatever and put it in there, and some of it is maybe the isn't really built to think about that traffic that way, and they would need to make os changes, but like I remain frustrated. That apple doesn't let laptop. Users have the same option that ipad users have for cellular 'cause I love having cellular on my ipad and I would not go back. So I would really like. Ca Laptop users to be able to do that? Yes, you can tether and stuff like that. It's not as good. It's not as good as just popping a SIM card in and paying in my case, I pay an extra ten dollars a month or something and my ipad is just. If I'm somewhere without Wifi. It just gives me data, and it's fine and I love it. It's the best when you WANNA. Go with. Oh! I am going to go with promotion This is something that we've had on I O devices. And it's delightful. The high resolution screen rate of refresh makes smoothing super, scrolling super smooth and and. Pleasant like the Mac just doesn't do high frame rate right now and. IOS DEVICES DO and. Just, yeah, I know, but the although the iphone should do to the IPHONE. Yeah, promotion. We've talked about that, so the IPAD does it now and I love it and whenever I use an IPAD. That doesn't have I. Think Oh, no, no, no, that's not like. You can really tell. It seems so small and yet it's actually really delightful, and why not do that on the Mac that you know, it's Kim to like taking retina to the Mac. Would you not take a promotion to the MAC as well because I think that higher refresh rate screens and displays that science. Science become table stakes in the technology industry, and this is reminding me of retina, but it's taken them longer to do it. This is a big screen technology. Apple had it for multiple years on the IPAD. Pro I think that this year it's going to come to the iphone at least the pro maybe the whole line, but probably the pro sure why not put it on the Mac as well, because then you know, promotion becomes a new part of the retina display kind of package right? Maybe they will rebrand it to include it in Retina. Some way you. Could Retina display and all those names that given the displays over time and it. It feels like that this is going to become technology that people are going to start expecting more and more and more devices. And it would be I've seen people saying the MAC can can support. If you have a a a high refresh monitor, it can look really good. I've seen a lot of people talking about kind stuff on twitter recently, so it'd be really wonderful to see apple. Build this into products. Maybe that new I- mackel. Maybe that scream that we all hope will come. We'll be a high refresh rate monitor as well as the laptops will say. I want to pick selfishly something that's near, and dear to my heart is Apple Pencil support. especially in the the laptops. There's some other stuff that I want to. We're going to talk about in a little bit. which could enable this? A May. Enable this to work well. It would be wonderful to see the Apple Pencil expand into other devices, and really kind of like solidify as an input method as an artist tools notebook. meeting note tool as it's becoming I think it would be really great to see it. Not just be an ipad feature anymore you know started as an ipad pro feature, then became across the entire product line for IPAD, and like promotion less stop breaking that outside of just from one device. Let's make the Apple Pencil is important to apple as a track pad. Is You know I? Think it'd be really helpful to say. Yeah now obviously there are gonNA be some economic issues there, but we're GONNA I suspect to deal with that before we get come to the end of the list him, but I definitely think that Apple Pencil support should be there. So one of the motivations of doing this is looking at the big Sur design, which sort of rounds everything and spaces everything out a little bit more menu items are spaced out more than menu bars taller. There is definitely this feeling that. that it feels like they're trying to make it. A more acceptable interface for touch than the MAC has been before, and then you throw in the fact that apple silicon Max are going to be able to run APPS from I've had an iphone that were built for touch, and while they will probably work okay with a pointer in many cases. Not, necessarily in all cases, and while the MAC is always going to be I believe a keyboard. An pointer driven interface primarily with the IPAD. What we've seen is you can have a touch. Primarily primary device that also does Apple Pencil and also does keyboard and mouse or track that so I am going to say. It I. Get the sneaking suspicion that we're going to. That that I would even say all apple silicon. Max may be touchscreen Max that this is the time when they do this. And the the reason is because it's not the primary, but it can be very nice to reach up to your screen and scroll something, and then you've got. You're going to have some apps on there that are built primarily for touch. That will work better if you can reach up and touch them. I? Think that I know like people have had lots of opinions on this over time apple of spread. Feelings on this over time. You know I think many years ago on an episode of the talk show at WDC think Phil Schiller kind of referenced it. It's like months to arms like holding your arms out and touching. Zombie arms arms. Yeah, the argument is gone now because of the IPAD pro, the pro is as much a laptop in its design. Now the way apple markets and sells the thing is any of laptop that apple makes so the idea of thinking that a touchscreen shouldn't be enough. Form factor is wrong now. If we're looking at desktop masks that becomes trickier to put touchscreens like Meyer. I Mac pros far aways. Aways from me right now. I don't know if I WOULD WANNA be reaching up and touching now, but any laptop. Yeah I WOULD WANNA be able to do that in the same way that I want to be able to sometimes to do that on my program. I have imagined keyboard on most of the time I use to track pad, but sometimes reading an article out, just reach out and swipe or I just don't have that. Moment broken in my brain where I. Just reach out and instinctively touch a thing and nothing happens right, which happens to be more and more than I use Mac laptops now so enabling that functionality it'd be nice I think that the future of computer users like younger people now expect touchscreens and the up then on Max, but they are now rested the industry. They're baffled by the fact that Max. Don't support this and for. Apple said they won't do it. so therefore will never happen. I will point out to two things. One of which is the IPAD has a keyboard and a mouse with cursor and the Apple Pencil is a thing when there was that famous line about. If you see a Stylus, they blew it. Yeah, which was not about this quite because it was about primary input method, which is really sort of the point so. Apple adding touchscreen to Max. They're gonNA. Say Well now is the time and it makes sense because we. It's the typical apple thing right well. We didn't before because it wasn't any good, but now that we did it. It's good that's what they do. And also like the big thing that you mentioned the biggest argument is just look at Big Sur, and you'll see that that is designed for touch, look at big Sur and ponder the fact that a bunch of touch APPs are. GonNa run on Mac. Silicon Max and then tell me that. To do it. Because there's been a lot of people saying like if I'm if an APP needs multi touch. How will that work? If I only have a mouse. Yeah, yeah I was I was listening to a podcast I think I might've been ATP where they were talking about this. Or maybe it was connected and I had I immediately was like well. You'll just reach for the screen. For that that's that's the answer. You'll reach up to the screen, because and and people are like well. What about current Max but current? Max Don't do this. They. This is for Apple Silicon Max, so it's no existing next. It's a feature running. These APPs is a feature that doesn't exist on the older hardware, the Intel hardware, but the new hardware all supports it, so it makes sense that that's the dividing line now. My next point I don't know what I think about this, but I would be intrigued to see it which would be some kind of wild design from APP. So. If, they're gonNA. Put touchscreen on it if they're going to put Apple Pencil support on it. Would apple ever consider making A to Mac? Now like you know like the idea of you, take the screen. Flip it all the way around to the side, and you kind of now have it as a tablet I. Don't know how I feel about this one because that feels like it might be pushing into ipad land too much, but if could come up with something really cool from a design perspective like an industrial design perspective. Maybe they'd do it. Yeah I. Think the I think the rule that I'm going by is. Apple is not going to push. One shape group into another area. If that makes sense like ipad owns the standalone people are like. Are they going to make a MAX surface that doesn't have anything, and then you attach a keyboard to it and I would say no, they're not. The IPAD that's what the IPAD is likewise I think apple's not going to make an IPAD laptop now because I've had doesn't go into laptops. There's already a laptop and it's the MAC. Convertible is interesting, but I think if you define a Mac as being something with a keyboard attached to it. and. It's a keyboard primary device the idea that they make one where you can fold the keyboard back maybe not take it off, but folded back or turn it around or do something that makes it convertible, a PC, laptop, convertible or two and one, maybe with some unique features of Apple's design that we don't anticipate kind of like that magic keyboard for ipad was not quite what we thought. It would be some clever little things they do that. I could see because. Keep in mind if there's a touch. On an apple silicon laptop that means it's running basically all IPAD APPS and at that point when you fold that keyboard back, you could treat it like an IPAD and it's an IPAD and then you fold the keyboard back around and now it's a Mac again. I think that could work. I don't know whether they're going to do it either. But it. Certainly an option for them is to generate. These laptops that aren't don't act like today's laptops because they've got the touch interface and they've got all of those iphone and IPAD apps that are running and you get people then saying and I'm sure there are many people screaming cuss, play right now and saying, but that would kill the IPAD, but I don't think it would because. THAT IS GOING TO BE AN O. K tablet experience missile. Exactly what is going to be thick? It's a laptop. Yeah, that can kinda behave like a touch device in certain circumstances just like the ipad right now is a touch device that can behave like a laptop in certain circumstances, so it becomes it already is, but like even more so it becomes. What's your priority and I heard from a lot of people last week? WHO said okay? Well, we'll Jason by. A laptop and start using a MAC laptop again because it'll run IPAD, apps and my answer is probably no because the thing that I actually like the most is that the IPAD is primarily a touch tablet that's very light, and that I can connect to keyboard to, and I don't anticipate that. A MAC laptop is going to be that, but for some. Some people a the MAC laptop, a lot of people who are like I tried the IPAD doesn't work for me. It's just not like those people. It might be perfect to have something that is primarily a laptop, but can become an okay tablet when you want it to be, and then it goes back to being a laptop the rest of the time. I'm intrigued by this product idea that we've created. Yeah, so let me let me extend the economic since we're talking about about economic stuff the other place that this goes is. The I'm Mac. Mac, design with something. That's more like the surface studio. If. You've got a touchscreen Apple Pencil Amac at work, and I think Microsoft is already showed us that the way that works is by having it be supremely adjustable and I think this is another one of those engineering challenges for Apple that apple might delight in doing. It might also be something that remm that reminds us a little bit more of the. Of The G. Four I? Mac right where there's a base and then there's also the floating thing I don't know whether the computers in the base in the screen, but if you've looked at that surface studio product, it's really interesting economically because it can sit up like an IPAD, but you can also drop it down right in front of you, and then use touch or use a stylus. and. To kind a pen input mode or a touch input mode, and if the MAC supports touch and runs IPAD APPS. Plus you know photoshop and things like that. That support pen events today like that's a really compelling thing, and then you just pop it up and it's a computer again like a traditional computer again. I think that that could be amazing, but you need to have all these other pieces. Cells excited now, but Jason this. All of this makes me like really excited about the MAC again. Knew, we'd find a way. We find Mike. I look again like. I don't I don't mean to be. Mean right like it's no like to say that the MAC is is boring just my. Tastes while I'm interested in has changed over time and for me personally. The MAC feels like it's. Just kind of being what it is, and I like new and the IPAD has continued to be new and do things. And it's added new peripherals new ways of interacting with a computer. And I've been very intrigued by that and excited by that and I will really love to get this stuff that we're talking about today A. Mac because then I'm going to be like really excited about. The Mac again and I'm. I would like that. You know the the way I've been thinking of it is. Apple has spent the last decade plus. Building a brand new platform. And with the IPAD, figuring out new ways of doing things that the MAC figured out in one, thousand, nine, hundred four, but like the modern way of doing that to some success in some not success and when you look at all of the features that we've listed and some more that we'll talk about here one of the things the sense I get, and maybe some of this is wishful thinking, but the sense I get is. What's happening now? Is Apple saying now that we've built this platform up to this level? We can bring this stuff to the MAC now that we're. We've got our own ships in there or confident that our chips are going to be good enough to meet all the demands of the MAC. We're going to now be able to bring all that stuff over that. We've been running on this other platform and the MAC. It's that stuff too, and that's what I really hope happens. Is that one of the reasons? The MAC has been kind of meandering for the last few years. Is they were treating it as a legacy platform and they had a change where they thought no, we're going to. To bring the MAC in the way, the Max survives is not by not changing and just sort of sitting out there because it's going to die instead we're going to bring it in, and we're gonNA share so much with our other platforms. Also apple's not that big. A company in terms of people and maintaining two completely separate operating system platforms is not great so now the less of that they need to do better. The MAC becomes a super set of IPAD and iphone features. So that's that's why I'm excited to. Is that I? Do think this is the opportunity for all these things that they've invented over the last ten years to get back into the MAC. Why do it? I mean some of them. They've done with the t two processor right there stuff that they were like okay, we'll do this. We're GONNA. Build our own custom chip and bypass Intel stuff. I feel like there's a lot of stuff. They left on the table. Because like perhaps what you're about to say, because sort of sort of like well, let's just wait. Let's just wait and we'll do this when we control the whole the whole thing which we don't right now. I would like to see face. ID, find his way to the MAC yeah along with better webcams. Generaux, just off the. Side Note but face ID would be fantastical, pneumatic. As, we said since we first saw it. It feels like an inevitability It's just a case of apple being able to build the technology inside of. The screens which are very thin screens right now I don't know how much space they actually need for the face. I D stuff in general, but I would really really love to see them do that, and if it's a touch screen, touchscreens may actually have to have a little bit more thickness to so it might be one of these things that goes along. Along with adding touch is adding a better Webcam. You're at the webcams need to be better. We just PC's. It had essentially face ID in some form for ages Google seems windows. Hello, exactly, and maybe apple's implementation may be better, and it may be different than maybe more secure, whatever, but it's still a similar technology. They're using all right so like you know. We exactly everything else is just how it's processed, and I love touch ID on laptops, but I use a desktop. And I would love for face ID. To work on an I MAC right because I work on I MAC every day and it's not something that they can add outside for security reasons. I really can't add it i. think outside the box. And even then you'd have to use their keyboard or something like that. I use an Apple Watch for that. Which is nice but I. I think face ideas. Is, a logical thing, and yes, the webcams need to be better. Across the board I'll throw in a little minor thing I think we've only got a couple more here. Mine is a little little minor thing that if you look developers have been talking about this this week this past week. There are some new. Things that you do when you're building back APPS that involved checking for a safe area. which like well why? Why is there safe area and the answer is? They are totally going to curve the edges of the Max screen like they do it on the IPAD, every piece of. That, they've bill in big everything has curve cuffed, and if you put a curved window up against a shop corner, what's the point of that? Yeah, so I think that is I. Think they're going to take all of the edges around that and you know the original. Mac had curved edges curved had little corners so it's also hearkening back to the old days, but I think. It's very hard to imagine that they won't. I was looking at my I've had pro just this morning thinking Oh. Yeah, that's totally what they're gonNA do they're going to? A little thing. It's just a little thing, but I think they're going to do it. Curved screen edges and we're talking about like if you look an IPAD. The the actual Ui the the operating system is curved. It's not the corner doesn't mean a shot point like on the Mac that fails modern now because that's what west of us is do. Your iphone has curved edges on it, too, so that feels like what you see in in a modern computer now. Even though she say it goes all the way back to the beginning of the MAC it may be time to see curved edges coming back to MAC displays. The last one I want to mention is i. just know more tapers like. Thin designs, but like flat. And stuff like that. The you know we've been talking about this. The PRO design language would like to see the I. Pro Dylan language also brought to the laptops. All the things I've met all the things flat edge design. I think that look really cool I want different industrial design across these new laptops as well which I think apple's GonNa do I think every apple. SILICA MAC except for. The MAC pro. Won't look like the Max replacing. I wonder about the macbook air only because they have. They got beat up about that and so brought back a new computer that looks just like the old macbook air. The. New Book I think the piano was. They just didn't have a Mac with air anymore. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I hope so I'm not sure how whether they're capable of completely redesigning every single product, but then again they have. They have kept these products looking the same for a long time. Yes, and again this is the thing is. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I look at this moment and I think this is what they've been doing. The last couple of years they've been turning over the MAC in the background, but they couldn't ship any of it because it all had was predicated on the apple silicon, and that was the moment and that we're going to see them. I hope that's what it is I hope that's true because I will say as exciting as the silicon stuff is, if we're here in a year, and the Max that are being sold by apple are essentially the same Max they're being sold now except without apple silicon I will be disappointed, because these are not just wish list items because we're fun and you know it's exciting, and it's the summer of fun. It's also these are things we want that. Apple makes on other products, and that should be on the MAC to. We haven't picked anything here except for maybe some of the organic stuff like the way. That they're not doing enough of places, but even then this still doing really interesting economics on the IPAD. We've liked magic keyboard. Right diet cantilevered hinge like that's wild from a design perspective, so I don't feel like anything we said here is like real pie in the sky type stuff. These all feel possible. I want to see how much they'll do. The last thing I'll mention not on the list I wanted to gauge your interest in those who talk about new design. What do you think about new names? Yeah, I. I don't know I mean I think I could see it, but I think that maybe that's a bridge too far and that the slots are fairly well-named and you know. I could see them doing a new consumer laptop name I. Feel like the MC has so much cachet now. It would be very hard to make something that wasn't the i Mac I did suggest at some point that maybe retire Mac book pro and call it like powerbook or something like that because that's a fun name that they retired and they could bring back up because macbook pro is a mouthful. I think if they got rid of Mac. They just it with apple and I don't think they're going to call them apple books. Yeah So I and I think Mac is going to be every name because I think they've just decided that. That's the thing although you know I. It's possible, but if I had to bet I would bet that they won't because the by redesigning them if they truly redesign them, they want to reassure you of what you know. What kind of animal is this right? It's like I know. It looks shaped a little different, but it's still zebra right like I think they won't be like I know it's different, but it's still an I mac this. It's just the next one, and that's the advantage if they had renamed the when they. They went to the four or to the Intel, Mac or something like that it'd be like Oh. Here's a new computer. That's kind of the I MAC, and instead by calling it the no, it's just the new Mac. It changes shape, but it still an I mac and you know what that means so I think that that's the trick. Is You change the shape, but keep the name so that there's some continuity happening. That was a great way to start the Summer Fund Jason. I agree. I'm glad that came early this year. We need some fun, right? We need twenty twenty. Bring in the summer of fun. We need that fun more than more than. Is Good it's. Going to be the longest are ever done we styding, so we're gonNA finish lay so more fun more fun. This episode is also brought to you by our friends over at Leonard with a working on a personal project managing your Enterprises Infrastructure Leonard has the pricing support and scale that you need to take your project to the next level. They have eleven data centers across the world, including the newest in Sydney Australia, and every one of them features enterprise, grade, hardware and next generation networks. Networks to power your virtual servers. Linen delivers the performance that you expect at a surprisingly good price. 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Code Upgrade Twenty, twenty, five at twenty dollars credit a thanks to Leonard for their support of this show and all of Relief FM. Before we were up today. Should we bring back Hashtag Oscar upgrade. It's been a couple of. True! Yes, the lasers were waiting. Molly's from the discord asks. Should I wait for the Public Beta or beg my former employer to ask me back to a developer account? You know it sounds like the developer Beta is pretty solid, but and marlins didn't say what. What Os here, but I would just say. I apple says that they're going to do public Betas in July. It's about to be July. I think you could I. Think you could wait the nice thing about being on the public. Betas track. Is that if there's a disaster. They just don't put it on the public. Beta track like it all because of the Public Beta is just staggered from the developer. Beta release, and they do that in case of trouble so I would say. Don't talk to your former employer. Who Cares about those people just? Just wait for the public. Row also from the members school had a question that we didn't really address in a building of the Apple Silica, Mac. Do you think that battery life? All performance would be the most appealing focus for apple? What are they going to optimize? Ford, you think, Jason. Both I would say right. I would say that they're gonNA. Look for a balanced, but I think that there are I suspect that there is a battery life goal that they wanna hit and that there's a performance goal. They WANNA hit because I know that they wanNA come out and not have it. Be these Max or slower, right? They can't do that, so they're going to have to be faster. So the the nice thing about it is. The way that apple's silicon is structured. Is They have performance cores and and power saving course so the processors because they are from mobile devices. When they want to extend battery life, they can actually prioritize items for the power, saving cores and let the performance scores, said idol so. It's not quite the same choice you'd make on an Intel. Mac, but I do think they've got performance things that they will hit and then they've got a battery number. They don't want the battery life to be worse. They don't want the performance to be worst and then after that my guess is. They're going to want to push up incrementally until they get. To. There's a certain point at which I think they're going to say the battery. Life's and let's go for performance here, but I think they're gonNA actually quote really great battery, life and performance numbers, and the trick is that because these processors have both kinds of cores with they're going to be able to say is in this kind of work. The battery lasts web browsing. The battery lasts twenty hours or fifteen hours, or whatever, and then in superintendents work, the battery lasts less. which is true now kind of, but it's really going to be potentially true with these chips so I think they wanNA. Push them both up. They WanNa meet certain boundaries, and then beyond that I think they are you know maybe on a more pro model that push performance a little more on a more consumer model for laptops they'll. They'll push battery life, but they want the both to be good Jason. Not you asked what's the one IOS APP that you'll most looking forward to running on your Mac for me? It is the time tracker APP that I use called Time Murray. I use a web service cooled toggle for the time tracking, and they have a mack cap, but it's bad and on the even just using the IOS version of time. ARY would be a big upgrade if they don't do a catalyst version. So that's the one I am like really really looking forward to be able to have that. which is one of my favorite IOS APPS I would love to see that one. Come to the MAC and if I, just get it by the IOS stuff on apple silicon I'll be very very happy. Do. You shortcuts without though. Yet, but yeah, so there's no shortcuts on the Mac, but the APP itself is fantastic all right. Because it's like I, always time open and so detangle. APP Open on my Mac and at the moment I have to just go in, and if I'm setting a Tom Right in my back, choose from drop downs, and its way nicer way better experience, even if just use the APP. Right. For me the. The one that I keep thinking of Mlb bat the Major League Baseball APP. Assuming the baseball is played at some point in the future because. They offer all. It's a great APP, and there's all sorts of detail in there, and they have a lousy website, and this is going to be a trend. It'll be interesting to see what APPS get put in the store. And what do? They're there I. Think a good example of why why you want. Irs APPs on your Mac. Is that a lot of experiences are? We built an APP and if you can't run it, here's our lousy website. and. There are lots of websites that I would rather use their APP but on the Mac I can't so video watching video on major, League. At Bat May that. Is is better I want that I don't want also a lot of flash stuff going away and a lot of stuff was built with Flash, and I wonder how they're going to rebuild that stuff, but the flash APPS are lousy, so there are lots of reasons, but it'll be a good example of something that I prefer their APP. Vastly to. And Fair right the the I've had. Editing APP audio podcast everything out that I use That will be great when it comes to the MAC and I'm looking forward to that, too. Ryan Asks How many years do you think will be on Mac os eleven, or is this a time? When they increment the number every year like to do an Iowa's I think it'll be a while. It's GONNA be like ten like it'll be eleven. Point on eleven point to think we're GONNA. Get my coat twelve anytime soon. I agree I agree. I think it'll be you know five or ten years. which I think just fits better like if. If they were going to go for the annual incriminating than they may have just just as well have just called this Mac os fourteen exactly hitting them all at the same. If they weren't gonNA if they were GONNA increment every year I don't think they're going to do that. I don't think they moved this year. Because that's the new trend move this year because they're making so many changes. That eleven felt right. is now going to be new number of you? Finally today, Brandon relief members discord, ask is apple's tag product dead, or do you think they're going to release it in the fall with the new? Find my API which snuck in this one that there is an API, the apple of developed way you will be able to integrate your tracking product into fine my so for example in theory, if you are a company like tile, who of raised an antitrust complaint against apple, you can integrate your application and your devices. I should say with the fine my APP. Potentially leveling a playing field, a little bit more for a tracking barbequed, which might be a very good thing to do if you have lots of antitrust probes again shoe company right now. Yeah I when I saw this. My initial thought was oh the. Apple not happening, but I think you're right. I think it's. It's just as likely that. This allows them to launch apple tags and do what they should be doing. Right, which is competing on the quality of their product, and not the fact that they control the find my infrastructure. And so that that way of tile wanted to build something that was find my compatible. They could do it, and it would work fine, and then they're just to have to compete with apple on all of the other ways that they compete they not that you're barred from the find my little mini ecosystems so i. There's so much detail about those apple tags that it would be Har-. It's hard to believe that they aren't going to actually ship at some point. And this was a bad time like. It's this is a bad time for that product, so maybe later it will be a better product, but it's also possible that apple is like just let the third parties do it and we're not going to bother. It's possible. If you would like to send in a question for future episode of upgrade to send out a tweet with the Hashtag, ask upgrade, or in the relief and members discord used the command question mark, ask upgrade, and you can submit your questions there. in the upgrade plus post show today. We're GONNA. 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MBW 633: We Left In The Honey

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MBW 633: We Left In The Honey

"It's time for MAC, break, weekly, Andy and Rene are here? Rene has his iphone ten? Are he'll have his review for us. He's also got an invitation, a Big Mac, perhaps MAC definitely ipad event coming up. Tober, thirtieth and man. Those invitation. Sure are pretty. Casts you love. From people you trust. This is. This is MAC break, weekly episodes, six hundred thirty three recorded Tuesday, October twenty. Third twenty eighteen. We left in the Honey back break. Weekly is brought to you by privacy dot com. Stop using the same card number everywhere. Us privacy virtual cards and get a five dollar credit off. Your first purchase, learn more and sign up and under a minute with your debit or checking account at privacy dot com. Slash back break Ambae rocket mortgage from Quicken Loans, introducing rate shield approval. If you're in the market to buy a home, Rachel to prove locks up your rate up to ninety days while you shop. It's a real game changer. 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I mean, I'm guessing they made like four hundred of these and I'm guessing they were all handcrafted by serenity Caldwell their best guess. And is a guess since we kind of pretty much know that the event is going to be an ipad event. I would guess these are all created on an ipad, right? That's the idea. Yeah, pro. There's more in the making. There's a Neil Cy BART's here's Todd hesitance. Oh, yours is fiery and byu. I got one of the better ones to be honest with you. Let's say, pencil need. So everybody got a different one. Lance charred in there somewhere. SpongeBob one right. Amazing. Yeah. And final candidates at three hundred, there's four hundred different ones CNN posted, three hundred and seventy. I've been led to believe we haven't seen them all yet. All a ploy, be some at the event, but I'm guessing Moby over is the is the thinking that each each journalists got a different one. Yeah, for sure. He's journalists different one after whistling repetition. No. Wow. They're all Email how the way none of them are printed, which is a shame because I think this would be a great printed. How how, how I was I, I didn't get an invitation. So I have to ask how how high resolution is it is it is high enough resolution that you could conceivably printed up and put it on your wall or create or collaborate on a set of trading cards that we could all like collecting swamp. What what would one year they gave out they have given out things that events before a couple of years ago they gave out those little apple park pins when they opened a Steve Jobs theater. So maybe they could make a deck of of apple art of the fantastic Hinz crap out of that or deck. Yeah, I'm curious. So the so th they get, are these you think in house or did you did they go out and ask people to do these? Do? We have an amazing graphics as team, but they're so busy doing a so many things. And four hundred is like again, I was choking starting all did the mall, and that's probably why she's been there for the last few months. But you know, this is what take several starting to call walking capacity. It is the kind of serenity would've. Would've done. Yeah, damn these young people and their unbridled energy and ability to focus. This is this is mine, but it's not real. I don't. If I presented this, I don't think I get in. It's okay because it's in New York. It's at the Brooklyn academy of music, bam. There's some of the other ones. I like the iron filings. One, I think that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. There's some real bam is a performance space, not just a school. Yeah, it's super interesting, right? Like it's our typic- invitations at a music venue for an ipad in Makah vent. Read the leaves or no, no, the, you know, there's there's so many schools down there they could have. They could have just basically said to a class here to design class. Here's one hundred dollars to make us one apple logo right. Because they wouldn't when I first heard about how differentiated these things where I thought that that'd be that'd be an interesting like AI project to essentially hand design, let's say twenty four and then tell it, hey, I to make make a twenty. And each of these classes are ten in each of these classes of things that we've had made and make variations. But there's such wide variations that it really does feel like there's a human being. You know, there's, there's meet wear involved in creating these things. If if anything had got us, I think it's maybe maybe this is just the apples. Apple marketings, final revenge against people trying to read the tea leaves of, okay, so half of it looks like it's chrome, but the light source isn't on the upper left. The light source looks like it's sort of like a ring light. So maybe we're talking about they're going to be announcing a brand new movie feature like, okay, here. Tell you what your four hundred different invitations to to each individual's enjoy eventually scrutinize. We looked content for three weeks after the event. Of course, apple doesn't say what the events going to be in. There's more in the making doesn't really tell us much. But back in August, we saw a couple of icons in Iowa's twelve. That implied a Besse lists ipad. We've since seen more no home button. So the expectation I but has what's interesting is have there been a supply chain leaks on these at all. I remember. No, we're really well kept secret compared to say Google pixel refund. The sorry, go ahead. Any though. I was gonna say, even even based on apple apple events. Usually by this time we would have seen something because they at some point they have to shrug and say, okay, now the untrustworthy brothers-in-law of people that we actually trust have to know about this. So we're, we're, we're gonna. We're gonna accept that. Someone's going to have a Bessler someone's going to have a good rendering somewhere. So what follows is complete speculation. There's not. So I think the big difference here is that I phone is still iphone iphone and Samsung galaxy phones where all the money is even for excessively makers and they will pay bag cheat, borrow blackmail, anything they can't get information out of supply chain that will let them get product ready as fast as possible. On a new phone launches. The pixel does not sell an huge mindshare, but it doesn't sell in high quantities. Let's probably not as much incentive for supply chain leaks and ipad. I mean, there have been leaks over the years, but probably. Also, like the case of the industry is probably not slathering at the bit to get. I mean, it's it's business for them, but it's nowhere near galaxy or iphone business. Okay. To say to say nothing of investor interest if you if you know if you can figure out ahead of time that the new ipad is definitely gonna have require the same sort of camera setup for face idea as the iphones. That's tha. That's got that gets you scrambling towards seeing who might be supplying that new camera and what's their position right now. So yeah, I, that's that's a. That's a really good point. There are a lot. There's a lot of a lot of commercial interests as opposed to just like nerd interest that we have in in getting things that game things early. Our source from the supply chain Ming chief quo has has merely said he expects a Bengalis ipad pro with, you know, face ID and an eleven inch model to replace the ten point five inch model, which is about eighteen months old and a twelve point, nine inch Bengalis model. Does that? Does that comport you think. With what I mean. So what they're basically going to keep the ten point, nine inch ipad, casing the same and fill it with more screen. Twelve point, nine. They're going to get the screen the same size and chisel off some of the casing. Oh, interesting. So the twelve point, nine. So big anyway, it would be nice to make s small and make it more portable. Yeah. Okay. So you get the same size screen. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. But the the fact that they still have a smaller physically smaller device that could have pretty much the same size display. It's would be an interesting opportunity for them to continue to make a twelve point. Nine inch ipad pro that is almost explicitly look for you. People who are designers were movie editors were photo people given that they've already been. So a happy to announce a quote, real and quote version of Photoshop releasing next year. Wouldn't it be cool to have a twelve point? Nine inch physically a physical toll point, nine and tripod that has the screen. Let's say a fifteen inch screen the more much more real estate. To to play upon much more places to put things like toolbar and other stuff like that. So I wouldn't necessarily think that their idea would be to have the bigger ipad smaller. But with the same size screen, it's it's if anything, all these surface Microsoft surface devices have kind of shown designers that's kind of cool to be able to to to use that wonderful pencil on a larger canvas instead of a smaller one with a narrower Basil's you lose the home button that means face ide- face ID does not work at least now in sideways mode, so it should for I Pat, you think it will. Okay. Yeah. And then there was a weird rumor that the smart connector would be on the same edge as the lightning connector is on the on the shortage that might be the pencil connector. I can't imagine you wanting to use your ipad. I hardly ever use it in portrait mode. Remember the original docked though they wanted you to do that. Yeah. That was pretty cool. Yeah, it's how do you guys use your ipad in landscape mode? Mostly? It is. Yeah, I depends what I. I use it in in portrait mode. I'm reading and. Yeah. And I, I do like to have that do like to have that choice, then here's a really can everything else. Mode SS, Seth, Weintraub of nine to five mentioned this to Sunday on twit. He said, because we've seen rumors that there will be a USB see connector instead of a lightning connector. He said he thinks they'll be both. Because I, I don't think that's silly because they certainly do have enough room to put both in there. And although I think that it's natural for them to switch the USB see wherever they can in the future that leaves the problem of are the, are you gonna force song. Yeah, there's a lot of plus a plus the idea of being able to have power plus and other accessory. If apple really everything I hear about internally at apple is they are very, very excited about the pro capabilities of the ipad to really now just we were asked before their content to sort sorta hint that this thing could be a replacement for a notebook, and it's certainly competitive against any windows notebook less than eight hundred or nine hundred dollars. Now they really know what they've got there with a processor and with the audience that they've already got in there. So the ability to be able to say, well, now we're giving you two ports because he might want to keep one powered up while I've got the other one attached to, let's say, an audio accessory or video accessory. I don't. I I not. I'm not one hundred percent behind this idea of it having to ports because apple is apple seems like a company that would try to reduce it to one, but I don't think it's ridiculous. They did right. The original one had two points and Steve access. At the last minute, what do you say. So. I was watching the pixel the pixel slate event and there is nothing I want less than a tablet than Intel. But when the minute I saw those SPCA points, it makes so much sense one on each side. Let me just put it in in computer mode. Plug that in gimme the backlit keyboard to while you're at it and I will be super happy. I don't. I don't. Like you said, I don't. I think I don't know if apple will do to porch is because why do two ports when you can do one, but I would so much prefer it. Yeah, we'll give you all sorts of flexibility, and it would confirm this is what sets said. He said, he really thinks that this is going to be designed to work with a keyboard and a mouse that it's going to be a computer screen. Staff would have found all the strings for mouse already in that. Yeah, Matt would have found out. And it could be, as you mentioned earlier that that type c rumor merely means a type c, a power adapter with a type c, two, lightening, cable. Some people were thinking, maybe that's what that rumor is. You know, sometimes this stuff gets mangled and translation also if they do, apple, wouldn't do. Apple wouldn't do a USB port that's just for power that would make sure that could do as much as they could possibly make the thing do. So again, the the kind of speculation that you're allowed to engage in when you're pundit and and it's still a week before release date. I, it would excite me to have the idea of a USB port on an ipad pro thinking that perhaps they decided to future proof the platform this way, saying that guess what you said a lot of your podcast. There's a lot of your audio engineers who want like really good audio gear. Guess what? Here's a full USB seaport. Here's an API in a new stack for you. So you can create a professional level all your recording rig. That goes around the ipad pro end. Could you imagine even the idea of an ipad pro with the ability for a to have like a alive, external display through USB, see through Thunderbird ex and not through like a lightning port adapter. So there's there'd be a lot of pests possibilities. And again, the the vibe that I can t I consistently get from apple about how they are they are realized or selling thousand dollar computer device, and they are insisting that will do anything that anything any other thousand dollar computer device will do. So that's consistent. It's exciting. Well, no, no. By this time next year I mean next week. Yeah, that next year. But next week, especially because the apple event is seven AM Pacific ten p ten a. m. eastern which is thirteen hundred UT see. So you're not on vacation. Leo I'll be here. I know that's year I'm going away in October to avoid the September. And now you can't win with a. Abdullah just announced. So they don't care about me. They don't even. They don't invite me. So I know you know, you got your, they got your money either way. They will get my money either way. I actually look forward to getting a new ipad. In fact, I might be tempted by twelve point nine, that's a slightly smaller form factor, but because I like to twelve nine is just so big. I felt like it was carrying a pizza box as so many people playing candy crush with them on airplanes. Twelve point. Nine, really? Yes. As I, it's the biggest candy crush Leo I got. I got to say the number of times over the past year. I bought the twelve point nine as soon as it came out. And that's one of my primary computing devices the number, the number, the number of times that I have like look for look for like my nine point, seven inch, I but I can't find it. There's my head many, but dammit. There's my ipad mini the, oh, wait the eip. That's not the ipad mini. That's a nine point, seven inch ipad. I'm just not used to. I'm used to seeing a device that's twelve point. Nine hundred is with the home button at the bottom of it. It just feels like an ipad mini. Now, any chance that the many will. Rejuvinated Ming. She quotes today said he was expecting it either this week or early next year, but he made it sound almost like one of those every three years apple throws out a new ipod types that just hasn't updated processor for people who won't take anything, but that it's very much. What is that like a. Not like a quality might be worse, which would be weird as well. See that's. That's where I would love that because I, I still have the my ipad mini is old enough that it feels slow, but there are so many times where it's exactly what I need something that's bigger than my phone, but smaller than even my ipad, something that I can. I don't have to take a real laptop bag for and I keep using it over and over again and as someone who rides buses and subways a lot. I like to have an eye something that I can do ipad style work on without when I'm on that when I'm on that that bus or that training. Hi, everyone hears me with my thirteen hundred dollar five hundred twelve gigabytes slate computer. Yeah. Yes, you can run faster than me. So bio means grab it while you're on your way out the door. Well, I can't. I'm really interested to see what apple does. It may have some real surprises in there has been there have been precious few leaks. The other thing of course everybody's going to be looking for is refreshed McIntosh, what is the Rene? What's the chance for that. Pardon me? Refreshed MacIntosh, or we're going to see. Yeah. Macadear MAC mini, knock book, Eric policeman. Yeah, yeah. All of that. All of that is Maxine Leo way that would be that would be a very expensive Tuesday for everything. But the MAC pro and macbook pro. Announced because they kind of implied to be out next year. You have it, don't. I mean their record with financing stuff lately? No, just keep it all secret until you're ready to actually put it in the store. Yeah, you're right. They're, they're also creating very low expectations for timetable, they're they. They're creating high expectations for what they're going to release as a MAC pro look speculations for when you're going to expect it, which I think is all they can do right now considering that they're essentially rebooting that entire platform. But it would be so exciting to get a m- new MAC mini. I would be not only just to have this because I'm a huge fan of the MAC mini. I think it's probably my favorite MacIntosh today, but but again, it's been shown sewn shown so little love the past four years that it's for people who are fans of the MacIntosh. It almost feels like a sign that they don't care about the MacIntosh particularly. So just just for them to put some real effort into the MAC mini. And I'm hoping not just a we. We're putting modern model. In silicon in there, but also we've decided to redesign it. We've decided to make it look as cool on your desktop as any other MAC does something like something like the the apple TV form factor maybe scaled up just a little bit. I sleep blackbox with one white LED on it. That would show that there's still a lot of love for for us. Click the mouse users IBM many pro kind of please don't call anything appro every time they put a Pearl on something and it's not an Iowa device. Okay. Here's a piece of mom week information pro from the promo, yeah, pro MAC pro from nine to five. MAC, a k through twelve education customer recently placed an order for a MAC book air ipad, and apple pencil the I pen and pencil shipped, but the school received an Email saying, the MAC book, air is delayed and will now ship on October thirty s is that they should have delayed the apple because apple pencil and work with you. Nine point, seven inch. That's wouldn't if they didn't have an unless they were intent, unless they have something that is. Sorry, rewind playback wouldn't they have delayed it and then cancelled it and offered them too often ability to place that new order towards new Hartberg that they haven't seen yet unless they were unless they're expecting to release something that is identical to the to the macbook air just with upgraded internals. And I don't see them doing just an upgraded MAC book air with with new internals. I, I see them reinventing it at this point. Back book, MAC book, air, MAC, mini, all three. Yeah, and probably coffee. Late bumps for the I MAC as well because we didn't get those yet. Okay. This'll be a very refresh Intel. Just announced those. It'll take a while for that to become real, but coffee lake enough coffee by itself would be way more than enough for math mini. I'm always up for fresh coffee. That's all I can say. Let's see. They cancelled the ten nanometer process officially, or I think. Well, they, they denied that they were having that there was, they said, no, no, just be just a, we just too cool for ten nanometer now that because we were having problems actually making you work. So the funny thing we do that, I just, I don't. Are they going to just? Are they going to end from an an tech said that they're probably going to take ten nanometer process, make it work and call seven nanometer, which I thought was a brilliant analysis. So the company tweeted a denial. Saying media reports published today that Intel's ending work on the ten Ana MIR processor onto were making good progress on ten nanometer yields improving consistent with the time line. We stated during our last earning reports that was as Tober twenty-second yesterday. Okay. So I don't. It's four years eight. So I mean, it's going to be a, that's exactly the things that are losing two pipeline. The reports that I've seen are just like the products, they were hoping to make the ten nanometer process where designed during the Obama administration at this point. Now, unfortunately, we need a Trump administration design for the CPU for they're actually going to leverage to correctly. Well, maybe they'll go straight to seven. Yeah, these are marketing terms like people like they're, they have absolutely no relationship to anything with real science. It's just they call it whatever they think will sound cool and competitive and think of justification later. So it might just relabel it, seven nanometer to sound like they've caught up. I spoil likely they'll they'll have a tendon meter process, but they'll call it like just like apple calls this a has a true color, and they have all these names. They simply call whatever it is collagen the working on. I think they're gonna do tend animator, but they're going to call it Geno, ultra nanometer technology or super Tennessee line technology. This is this show is going to be about chips. Chip heavy show. We have more chip news to come, and we really ought to talk about the new apple product that Rene Ritchie has just reviewed. That's coming up in just a little bit. I'll be getting mine on on Friday. You got the the black for the black Power Ranger. Apparently I ordered the red. I couldn't do bring myself to order the banana phone. It looks much. I didn't think I would like it, but it looks much better. I forget who it was at. I forget who had it now. I think it was Lauren. Good, maybe ASU. Yeah, Lauren good. Had the yellow in. It looks much nicer than I thought it would see. It looks good on her. I don't know if it look good on me. I just had the the coral which also looked much federal. I ordered the product red one, but purple. All I wanted was purple. I didn't get it purple. Did you get a meta gross with meteor mash? I got quite a few medic grosses with me. I had a really good. I use this phone for because I was I wanted to see. So this is my version of a real world battery test was. Doing community day without charging the phone. Wow. I put the screen brightness, one hundred percent left the GP like left everything. No batteries aver nothing and it was. It was a tank started off at eighty five percent. And I ended four hours later at like fifteen percent, which was better than is a ten s max as a control, and that was down to twelve percent. So. Wow, that's pretty good. So there's the first data point on the new iphone ten are looking. Okay. It's great for community day. How many Belden did you catch. Oh, I got so many shiny ones. Leo, I, I think I got thirteen Chinese and evolved four of them and the evolved them all the way up to meta gross. Yes. And then if you do that within four hours of the end of community day, are you guaranteed meteor masher. You just have a shot? Yes. You're guaranteed meet your mass. Yeah, I keep saying nationalist. I encountered a meta gross with meteor mash in a gym yesterday and found me no more challenging than anything else. Well, there is Pokemon usually, oh, the Halloween event starts today and dragon. A ghost dragon, Jen. Jan knocked Trump is going to be enraged starting this afternoon. Oh yeah. I saw that little message from what's his name? Willow twice or yes, sir. Willow. I'm sorry, we're twelve. We are. We're just we're just stuck. What I don't get Leo is that and thank goodness for you. You still have that. You still have that sort of in touch with your sense of wonder to have so much love for the Pokemon game and yet yellow iphone. That's the line. You're not gonna on the line. Kick it, you Andy, it looks like he and he will not have that. Oh, God, how, how cool is it? Gonna just just just like a skin just get like some some vinyl stickers for the back to making the speakerphone. I really wanted. I want the Pika chew phone to you. Early. Oh, here you go. Let's see. Your meteor mash. Oh, man. I just so jealous. All one hundred percents. Like those away. I found out later through one hundred percent away. Leo was very sad. Oh, you got it. Man. You got to do something about that. I, it was a little. It was a low CPA and I was desperate base kept the leading them. And then someone said, did you keep it? And I said, no one, I cried. I still have not won one hundred percent Pokemon off to fix you. Not one, but I'm about to become best friends with my wife, which if I plant a lucky egg at the right time could be worse. Two hundred thousand foster experience points you've done this before I take it. Yes, it is. It is amazing. Sorry, I want to welcome a new sponsor show. This is actually something much more serious and so cool privacy dot com. I use privacy dot com. 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Four is probably enough for everything I do most depends on much four k. and stuff like that that you shoot. So if you use if us, you know the I cloud photo and yeah, you know. And I, you know, if you don't put one hundred books on there and your entire music library. Sixty four years is here nineteen Metallica original sound. I'm not pointing at Jim dollar specifically, but like having all their music with some people want it all. I understand that nice hunkered glass. Okay. Show us. Let's see. So it is. It is glass glass back. Yes, the front, the front glass is exactly the same as the iphone ten s the backlash is somewhere in between the ten and the tennis is stronger than the tend not quite as strong as the ten s snow. Some said that the Bengals were unsightly compared to the tennis. We're not unsightly bad little bit bigger. Your I turn on the flashlight somehow. That's great. Haptic touch to the rescue. There we go. You can see if you're coming in. It's an LCD, not an Ola, but if you're from an iphone six, seven or eight, you're not going to notice that. No, not at all. I mean, if I hold up one of these next to it, close it, keep getting beta things today. Leo it's make beta day. And what does it hold up this next to it? It's it's nothing you do get a notch hard, but yeah, I mean yes. And by the way you're. Getting all of the internals of the tennis. It's rather it's rather interesting because apple according to Wall Street apples only job is to sell more iphones or to sell more expensive. And they've been doing that with the plus and with the the ten line, they've been really raising average sales prices and now with a ten art. I mean, some people are liking it to the iphone, five c, but that did not have touch ID had the previous generation processor. It really wasn't iphone five, not an iphone five s the iphone. Ten art is an iphone ten Elliot's the same processor, same to death camera same wide angle camera on the back. It is much closer to an iphone. Ten S Senate is an iphone ten, and that could two hundred eighty bucks cheaper that could really skew apples ASP's down again, which would not make Wall Street happy. But apple really wants to take the technology that they have in the ten line and make it accessible to more people. They, they have this annoying habit that Wall Street hates, which is to try to grow rather than just monetize. And I think it's good long-term thinking. I think it'll get them yelled at short turnip, Bravo and Sint grew Wall Street because I don't think streets got their best interests at heart. They just want to know cash in his is they can. It's still a seven hundred and fifty dollar phone. But she said, but the but the. But that said it's, it's a very, very pleasant sign that apple has. Apple has consistently tried to do this where let's we're we, we feel as though we have a list of price levels that our customers are are are comfortable with. However, that said, we are going to continue to try to take the features of the higher end phones and bring them into the lower price points. So the fact that they decided not to make the iphone ten into a luxury brand. That's here's a, here's a, here's the the thousand dollar and up phone always. But simply to say, we're going to use this to put to drop into the one end of this pipeline. Features that in a year or two's time is going to be in the mainstream seven hundred fifty dollar phone. That's really, really great. What Renee is missing, what don't you get? So don't get. Well, very Mr.. Long, gone long, gone handy. You don't get the old Ed display. You get an l. c. d. display. Apple says, it's their best LCD ever. I find it like they're so good at color, calibration and color matching it is, you know, traditional iphone DP same DP they've had since the iphone four, the same DP they had on the iphone eight, but you can daily use. You really can't tell it doesn't do the inky blacks of Ola and doesn't have the extreme contrast of lead. So Apple's not advertising it as an HD our panel, even though some LCD TV's say, well, we go brighter, so that counts as HDR. Apple doesn't want to play that game. So they say it's not like it'll play HDR ten in h Durr and Dolby vision content, but it will split it will do the best job at can, but they're not claiming that it's HD are. So you're missing the panel and then you're missing the the telephoto lens on the back. So you have the exact same white Angolans the iphone ten s thirty percent larger deeper and bigger pixels and the HD the smart HDR feature. But you don't have that two point four. Talbott your telephoto lens. Yeah. So no two x. optical zoom and no real depth data like you'd get off the true depth camera. Sorry, off the dual camera system on an iphone ten. They do something very similar to the Google pixel which is they use the parallel data from the phase adjust focused system. What apple calls focus pixels, and they mix that with a segmentation mask. The thing that's really interesting though. The thing that I spent most of my time asking about and looking into is that apple had their camera teams go and get a bunch of high end lenses and cameras, which I'm sure they hated to do and shoot the crap out of them and then build up a model, physical model of what an iphone lens could be. And it's different between the iphone ten s because that's the telephoto and the iphone ten are because he did it for the wide angle. So taking the same shots, they they didn't want to have a perfect sanitize computational lens. They wanted it to be quirky and have a personality, like a real world, lend. So the book as not just a discipline for that's layered on top. There's not just like a smooth, Phil. All over the back. There's it actually renders on the silicon this entire world that is much as a computer vision can understand and like overlapping lights and distortion around the outside. Like you'd get with a real lens and it just it's it's hard to describe it. But when you look at what it used to do, what it does now or what some other phones do they really do just apply Gallician or disc blur. It's it's like night and day. It's really, really cool technology. The other reason people might want it is it's it's one of those sized things it's it might be just right. Here's a great damage that you took comparing the iphone ten on the left, the iphone ten are on the right or other the tennis on the left iphone ten are on the right in the tennis max on the far right. The middle one is I let me start over. In order from left to right the tennis, the ten are in the tennis max. So it's between the two right. Yeah, it's, I mean, because of the Basil's it's probably closer to the ten today max under his to the regular size one, but it it feels to. And I actually do like it better because I find I found the matches a little bit big for me. Housing, long fan. Yeah. A lot of people are saying the tennis max is just too big, but I want more than the tennis. This is right there. Right? And it has all the features that tennis has at which the ten the max has ten s had like display zoom. And when you rotate sideways, it has a split view controller something. Yes, I really like all that. Okay. So I'm presuming here to keep your tennis max as your as your real phone or not? I would. So I where did the tennis max, but I think Georgia's probably gonna rob me of that Ellen getting tennis because I know a lot of people are saying they're going to go with ten. I think it's much better phone. I really, really like the camera system on the tennis. I shoot in in two x all the time, and I like the old that screen because I'm a complete nerd over HD are. So for me, it's worth the extra two hundred and fifty bucks to get those two features. I think I'm the exception not the rule though, and I think most people be super happy with the ten are all the reviews are coming out or came out the embargo lifted yesterday, but the phone will arrive Friday. I suspect you'll be able to walk into an apple store and pick one up without preorder. Is that right? It's flux yet. I mean, they always do that always reserves. Some stock for in store because as much as Angela errands wants to move everything to distribution platform where nobody ever asked to wait in the line. Again, there are some people who just want to show up in the stores that day and they know if they don't have stopped. It'll be a lot of disappointed people. So there's always some stock that's held just for launch day right now. So was sort of it looks like one two weeks if you order pre-order, it looks like it'll be one or two weeks for every version is that ruined down again this morning. It was further out on a lot of the models earlier this morning and it went down again t. mobile went right away, but for in which is probably in the US the unlocked one you want? Yeah, I'm seeing AT and t. and Verizon and t. mobile all being. I mean, they're all Intel votes now. So like in the old days, if you really wanted to Qualcomm modem, you could go with Verizon, but if you want to use it on Verizon at at any point ever, you're still still behooves you to get the Verizon model. Oh, is that true? You can't use the non Verizon models on. I mean, they're fussy. I think the, I think, technically who can do anything network. Yeah, I ordered my product red version of on Verizon because that way I could get it right away. But I think I ordered product red too. If you waited too late. Yeah, I think the reds really pretty him, but and he's right if if I can play Pokemon go, I should probably go straight to the coral or the peak of show yellow shoe, yellow. It might. I'm not saying anything, but it might go with my Halloween custom. I am a bit Spacey. The embargo was six AM eastern time, and I literally did not sleep yet. So I'm sort of six eighth day. Hang in there. Yeah, six AM this morning. Oh man, Cupertino standards. Oh, how many words did you write last night g it wasn't the worst of the words. I got done two days ago, but the video me a lot. Lee video ended up being like thirty minutes and sent me a lot longer to edit than I thought it would tell everybody don't do. Don't do idiot video Ideo. Don't do it you. It just takes too dang long. What kind of car is that? That was a little joke because apple, they say the letters don't mean anything, but they, you know, in ours a letter they've never used before, but are an Esa very special meaning in race cars. Yeah, who are I'm not saying he owned the nine. Eleven. Are. I don't have any hand knowledge of that, but I thought it would be a nice night to the sort of aspirated elements those letters. Yeah, I think it's a pretty attractive phone. I, I'm, I'm gonna I stand by my prediction that this'll be the best seller of all the new twenty eighteen. So I'm so eager to hear what Andy things because I was not prepared for the difference in experience that shooting with only the wide angle was because with the iphone ten s and the ten and all the other ones, it would immediately throw you into telephoto for portrait and for and for the zoom in everything. And it was so close and now it's much further away. So you have to sneakers zoom. But at the same time because it's not dependent on those two lenses, you can get much closer. You can get further away and it only recognizes humans, that's a huge thing. You can't portrait mode, you're on the front, you can, but on the back, you can't portrait mode, your beverage, your pet, anything like that. It's it. If you can't see a face, it will turn off portrait mode, but like, but you see within that range, there's a lot more variety. Like I just found the whole experience, especially with the modeling they did for the lenses almo. Like I had to new prime lenses like switch between them. Andy is a serious photographer. That's what I mean. I need a serious dog refers opinion on furious. What he thinks. Yeah, I can't get my hands on one myself as I probably won't be able to write about it for another month or so. Yeah, it's but it's it's grenades going on for at least a year about the one of the most important aspects of photography says that it really doesn't. It almost doesn't matter what sensors lenses you have a phone now because it's the computational photography Mojo that's going to make or break your photos that the things that you can do that you know, the proof is really in the pudding. Now you just really have to take a look at the pictures and not really worry about whether this device has one lens or to because whatever it took me a while to break my habit of saying, oh, I'm not. I'm never gonna use digital zoom because all they do is they, they blow up the pixels and it just looks ugly. But no, they they get as much. They get as much information off the device as possible to make intelligent decisions about how to fake zoom an image. So it's very, very possible that if you think that you if you think that you're going to need the telephoto. To get the best pictures. That's probably going to be true, but maybe you're not really gonna notice the difference between the ex are in the excess. So as as I've been saying for the past couple of weeks, I think the choice isn't so much between the x. are and the excess for me, it's a choice between spending a thousand dollars and getting an ex are with all the bells and whistles with more storage with the with the case that you want all these really cool things or whether you if you're on a budget, trying to get like sort of the more entry level experience with the excess. And for now, I'm thinking that the x. are plus more storage is going to be the way to go particularly for shooting lots of four k. footage. Very interesting. Apple has given us many models to choose from because of course, the seven in the eight is still around and this has got to be the most iphone models ever. One thing worth mentioning to that. I think they don't get enough credit for and that's the video work. Like a lot of times when you see camera comparisons, it's only for stills, but they did so much work with the video camera this year it if you're shooting under sixty frames per second, and it's good to remind people that will let some cameras camera phones don't even support sixty frames per second. But because apple has custom encoders on the eight twelve, it is fast enough to shoot thirty frames per second in interleave them with higher dynamic range data so that if you do shoot at thirty or twenty four, you get much more. They call it an expanded dynamic range, but you got something much closer to HD are, and it also does a bunch of corrections and if it detects that the light is not enough, it'll ill stat instead of making you get bad video or having to choose it. A lot of medically give you a little thing and said, you know, you wanna step down to thirty or I think actually steps you down to thirty frames per second. And this recording in stereo now and it actually sounds like stereo record bikes going by and you play it back and you hear the bikes going bio while that's it, which is really cool. Yeah, it's going to be incredible six months when you see all the third party video. Makers all the third party photo of a camera camera makers. Really not just use the API is but know how to use these API's to their fullest. It's an exciting exciting product year, I think. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah. Apple does admit that they were overdoing the softening in the in the front facing us portrait mode, the selfie camera and says, we're going to, that's a bug. We're gonna fix it. And they were. They gave a really interesting explanation which was they were pulling. They were pulling the sharpest frame. They're pulling a longer exposure frame and working off of that, and they're going to switch the pulling sharper frame which is SU. I'm just glad they changed. My whole thing in the beginning was there's no beauty filter in if you just if you don't like it just complain bitterly as you possibly can become change it. It sounds like that's what they're doing. People do. You don't need a conspiracy just complain. Yeah, you can file a radar, but sometimes you want to file a spiteful radar and those are the ones results by for that. But this this really does of the whenever a brand new iphone or MAC comes out and you hear isolated complaints. That old, there's a new gate here. This new defect here, wait for couple of weeks if everybody sees it than it is a problem that apple will probably figure out a way to fix it. If it's just a few people the out of millions that are experiencing either in issue that is so out of the normal that they can't really, they couldn't have voted and they see it and it can't really engineer. The solution to it or it's a problem that is just so so so weird that the best solution is just replace it. Am I phone? That's the way it's going to go. So that's never always wait until a few weeks when the when the mob suddenly real, everyone says at no, everybody's getting really bad faced selfie results. That's when you know that it's actual problem. That's when you really do listen to apple and say, well, what are you gonna? What are you gonna do about this? Or you go to acknowledge this? Are you going to fix it? And usually they announced that they're going to fix it at the point where they announced that they have fixed it. You're, you're not gonna call it beauty gate, though. I, I'm trying to. I'm trying to be the iconoclasts who tries not to say eight anything. Anything. I think that should be reserved for throwing a president out of office. Okay. Fair enough. Although ni les does say, beauty gate, no longer. So this will be fixed in twelve one. We just got paid four for twelve one, so public betas. So I think we're going to be getting a twelve one fairly soon. Rene think what we get. I mean, I think it's typically it would. It would come out. Late October, beginning November timeframe, but with the event is quite possible. We'll get the gold master of the release version at the event or the release version will follow a week after it. When the product ships, you know, let me just see what the. Yeah, my software is up to date and you emojis Leo's little as always Spurs upgrades like nobody's business. We say, we want all these features. We want our well we wanted is the emoji all we want is to complain that the flower emoji isn't the right kind of flour, and technically the kind of flower they chose does not have leaves that are shaped that way. Although when we did re did report this last week, this is not a Montreal bagel. We, I filed radars to as many Canadians at Apple's. I possibly could. Laurie Gill really defended your love the Montreal bagel. And we've all now decided we bought. We've got to go to Montreal and try these. I mean, the proof is this like there are. There are people who drive all the way from New York to Montreal every day just to pick up Montreal bagels and they're, we all bagels. People advertise there are no Newark, Baker thought bagel store stores in Montreal. Nobody nobody wants. Yeah, nobody wants a New York, babe Hegel anymore. They went on pizza. I'll give them pizza, but we have bagels well, and it's really it. In both cases, it's a case of the same immigrants from Europe coming to both New York and Montreal and making these bagels. The problem is that the New Yorkers they just changed. It made it big non just can't. I have nothing against you really. With the traditional bagel. The originated in Jewish communities in Poland, and and Montreal somehow stayed more true to the original. We left the Honey in the water and in the in the dough left the Honey? Yeah, a little bit of hunting any little in every up Fave and every familiar American food. There is an amazing story about immigration of this. I've come to learn this every time I learned about pastrami about one some guy came came to came to the United States with the secret of making pastrami and sold and send traded the idea to somebody else. And that's why we've got pastrami everywhere. Bagels, American Chinese food spaghetti is great story about immigration every single time. So let me ask Renee. Are you savvy at or Fairmount? I like them both. I mean, they're both really good. I again, like I'm not like a marvel or DC guy, Coker Pepsi guy and not even really an IOS Android guide is loves. I love all this stuff. I mean, I can play by play roles on TV. But I I have love for as long as it's good, like just make something great and I will love you for it. If I then mode, you a few hundred dollars, would you just send us a box? I've tried, but they don't seem to keep like I've sent bagels the people on your and they come in say, oh, they don't, they don't. Yeah. Can I at least moldy? Can I get at least get a link record by one of those hats because the more look at it. Full at the airport when I was leaving just so that I would have something on me. At the at the Toronto airport, which Trudeau Montreal Trudeau. Okay. Yeah. Well, all right. There you go. The ten are it'll be in stores, maybe it'll be in stores on Friday. I'm glad to turn out. I'm glad I ordered mine on Thursday last week, and we're Friday last week and and it's and it's on its way and I'll have it for a next week. Anything else to say about the apple of vent, anything we missed? Will we see new air pods? Will we see the finally the air power charger again, being she called that it's cutting like next year. He said you air pods and an air power, either late this year or early next year on people are asking on the on the iphone, ten are pamphlet just like the tennis pamphlet lists airpower as charging thing, and that's not something that would leave in there. They know they didn't intend to ship it. So my thing is like Gandalf Nelio expect it when you see it or not, or maybe it's more like Mary Poppins when you. When you need it, but don't want it. The are pods appear when you want it, but don't need it. They don't show up there. There have been some some people reporting about how there are supplies. Storage is here and there, which is an interesting point, but doesn't necessarily mean anything. I bet that apple would be kicking themselves if they had an opportunity to ship upgraded our pods before the holidays and didn't because it is a kick but present for anybody. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Let's take a tiny little break and we will be back with more. We're going to talk about chips and another interesting Ming cheek. Well, he's become the rumor guy. We don't see much from Mark Gherman these days, but boil poor old minke quotas firing up supply chain guy, like he has ability to expert information from the supply chain is unparalleled. 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And I think he's, what do you think is success rate is Rene on super high. Like again, I think he's, I think he's super plugged in. If it's anything involved manufacturing in China, I think his records almost ex, it's exemplary. Yeah. So he's talking here about apple car as well as MAC and iphone. He says, max with apple chips, not until chips by twenty twenty while an autonomous apple car system could be run from custom silicon by twenty twenty three apples. Chip manufacturers in Taiwan t. s. c. the Taiwan semi conductor manufacturing company. He says, they will, and this is where the analysts comes in. They're going to continue to reap the will rewards of being the sole a-series chip supply. In other words, he's bullish on TSMC. He says, apple will become more and more dependent on TSMC do. It's high quality design and production. They're taping out seven nanometers now yet. I mean, Intel's maybe abandoning ten, maybe not, but they're taping out seven now and Samsung keep tonic went Apple's business back, but they haven't been able to yet, but I love that it's competitive like that. That's always good. They still use Samsung d Rams, I think, right. I mean, Samsung is a huge. A lot of people jokingly say that galaxy is is not just a phone. It's a, it's an advertisement for the Samsung is not one company. It's a bunch of companies that all licenses, Samsung name and there's Samsung mobile. And there's also Samsung l. s. I think that's the name that does a lot of the manufacturing and they. I mean, they apples a customer, Samsung Mobile's a customer and they would love to have customers. They'll we're seeing. I mean, one of the reasons I would agree with Mingji quote is that the eight twelve biotic processor in this phone benchmarks are saying is absolutely desktop class. At this point and apple can do things, you know, Intel's making a general purpose chip for a huge variety of devices. Apple's making its chips for its devices in those exactly what it needs them among other things. They're optimizing Java scrip- performance in the twelve. So the iphone produces the best Jarvis performance out there, which is a huge NFL even turned on yet, which is hilarious. Oh, it's not turned on yet. Go, those were the results before they turned it on. Oh my God. Wow. So. I mentioned this last week, but then I take a great piece on the amazing twelve bionic, and that's what's challenge Qualcomm recently because Qualcomm has acted like a traditional silicon merchant for years, and that means it was it was in their best interest to have things like thirty two bits day on the market because every month that I was on the market, they just made more and more money off of it because it was a commodity part at that point. And then they were pressed to go to sixty four bit and they had to initially support windows phone and Android or meant open jail and direct x. And you know the, the other people don't care about the baggage carrying for other. Apple gets to three years out design. Exactly the silicon they need. So they're like we wanna do high high dynamic range in video, build us custom encoders into the silicone. That'll handle that so that we don't have to process any that nearly okay, we'll do what you know that is. Interesting point because we have seen arm based windows devices and they mostly on the eight thirty five. I think eight forty five based call Comey Forty-five Snapdragon based windows devices are coming and they've they're pretty sluggish. They're really not the performances not is not what you'd want. Do you think that initially in two thousand twenty the arm based max will be low end MAC, like the MAC book, and perhaps not even more. I think low end is a harder thing that quantify. I think they'll be a highly mobile because that's where Apple's expertise is. So like a MAC book is not low end, it's but it's super mobile. The macbook areas, both mobile and low end so it it's going to be interesting to see maybe even like the MAC mini sort of like the Intel nut, you know, a two hundred sixty five watt Zeon what is it a thirty two cores that's going to go in the new MAC pro and that for the time being for pros all those threads that kind of performance and you're not gonna use it two hundred sixty five watt part in anything that's. Thermals that they have to like Intel right now because they can't get the ten nanometers doing what they did decades ago and they're doubling down on cores, but those cores generate heat and then the the manufacturer, the case provider, those people have to deal with this painting, all of that heat and that does not make for great product experiences. And you see that with the new macbook pro, which was almost certainly designed anticipating until at least not bow, passed by four years is ten nanometer deadline, and you start to hit real thermal limits. But the other advantage that they have is that they don't have profit and loss per chip. So Intel, Qualcomm, all these people have to make money until it makes a huge amounts of money on those yawn chips. Apple does not have to does not care how much it costs for those chips because they make all their money off of iphones. So they just let that team race as fast as possible. Possibly towards the future? Yeah. Plus Apple's unusually good position for for getting the most out of these mobile oriented chips. The the thing is with mobile chips. Is that like you said, there's thermal problems with it. There's cash problems with it. There's there's traffic. Problems with they really are designed kind of. They don't have enough overhead to create a great level of performance across all possible tasks and with very, very inefficiently coded operating systems and apps. However, apple is in a position where they can make sure that they've got an operating system that is optimized for not just mobile style processors, but specifically this processors that they decided to put into this new version of the MAC book air, so they can really create a their own silicon has such wonderful dynamics from start to finish that delivers exactly the performance of like a mid range. I three or I five, but yet it's doing exactly the dance that apple needs it to do. So I doubt that they would ever replace all of their silicon across the board with their own designs, but for lower end max, like like a new new new concept of the MAC mini. That is more like a knock more like an apple TV. This could be. A total game changer for how they design and build computers. Give them a huge level performance at a lower price point than anything that Intel create and complete control. I mean, you want to control the supply chain. That's why predictably know that they're going to deliver a certain thing on a certain time and then the waiting around for Intel to get around to it. The the original MAC book, nothing when you take it when you took it apart, when you look at the at the, I fix a tear down. It really looked like they were anticipating the. I know that this is these CPO we're putting in right now, but believe me obviously were in two years time. We're going to have this this new chip that's going to make this either a screamer or something or take us through an entirely new path. And then clearly neither of those things happen, leaving it as still a wonderful piece of hardware. But I don't think it's nearly in two thousand eighteen when apple thought that it could be if certain of their suppliers could be counted on to supply. Yeah. And I thought that apple karston was quite interesting quo says apple could make level for a level five Thomas vehicles based on these TSMC chips in in a few years. However. These will be three nanometer or find five nanometer chips is that the quantum is at the quantum realm. I didn't forget ant man's low. How well I mean you can go lower. I guess I, it's, it's, it's it's, it's pretty amazing. Pretty impressive. So quotas saying, we're gonna that's he predicts that in twenty twenty three to twenty twenty-five, but that's not honestly seven years is not that far off. That's that's within the range of their targeting computers. So they could. They could be firing shots now assuming that they're going to land in that time. I, I could see them shipping those kind of chips. I'm not sure if a Thomas vehicles are gonna be if the legal stuff and those other ready. Yeah. Your acceptance. It's all of that. Yeah, you see, he's saying level four and level five, which means full level forest full atonomy under some conditions. Level five, I think is full of Tani under all conditions so, and that it still it's it. I, it still according to the people that I talked to who working on this sort of stuff that's still kind of mission to Mars, sort of stuff where you you've got so many solutions to most of the problems with the problems that remain are so huge that they don't wanna promise any timeline whatsoever, but we'll see. We shall say, I think it's not a coincidence that we're seeing so much a Arquette and so much machine learning and computer vision. I think all of that is very synergistic with what the special projects teams are working on in a way to get there, tack into our hands so that we can beta test the crap out of the very easy top level current technology stuff so that those teams are getting more and more feedback to make the next generations. Exactly. I, I think that the cameras that are on the iphone ten. Are there to help simulate what a wearable Apple computer is going to be like where they certainly aren't anywhere close to being able to produce something that is wearable by humans and practical be used, but they do have a whole bunch of these. A are equipped very, very powerful hand held the computers that people are taking out into the real world. And all of the data that's being collected is helping to teach that as yet unannounced device, how it's going to be able to work. Tim cook is now demanding a retraction from super micro, and he is joined in this request by Amazon and by super micro. So it's heating up that story just won't go away. It is not the first retraction apples ever called for I've, I've heard that from now from a few other apple journalists, but it is the first time they've done. So in public. Between Jerry with the story I've heard and I, there's, this is just gossip going around the rumor mills, and there's no way especially for me to validate it. The the suggestion is that someone wove the story, a single source, wolf this story, and it was so compelling that it really did become like red team three, where every other story you heard was not filtered through the independence of that story, but the lens of my God. This is such an amazing story at wonder if I can prove it or not. And so people were saying things that that have nothing to do with this specifically, but enough words sounded good that if that's what you really want it to hear, you could hear those things. And then all of a sudden the number of people Kalab corroborating it for you is like sixteen when they're talking about totally different things, and you've spun this whole narrative out of whole cloth just to support the original would someone would have found something if this story had been, what a claim to be known has found anything. So clearly literally this three weeks and I don't think it says easy to find. Find this thing well, but I agree that at some point and then I would say you, you got to give it a little more time than three weeks. But some point in the next year, if he's not found that pretty much dashes, but but I, I, I agree at this point usually a lot of skill to figure this out. It takes a lot of skill to figure it out. One one. One one red flag. However, is that usually when one news story by a legitimate news source comes out that gives courage to other people who were not contacted who are not known to these journalists who then might talk to the New York Times who might talk to people that they know and they trust and we haven't seen anything like that. So at this point I'd be very surprised if this story proved to be anything close to what they claimed to be. But yeah, you're right. It is three weeks, but we're not seeing any of the markers that usually come by three weeks post time to verify. I'm not sure that that's the case. I, I really think that these are. There's a number of reasons why people aren't going to be talking about this. It's bad news for all companies involved, and it is hard to find. And you know, Alex tweeted this week that he has several of these Amazon, you know, twenty fifteen generation super micros elementaries. And the problem is to find the chip on there. You have to know what you're looking for and you need some fairly sophisticated hardware. It's not it's not a trivial thing to find their lots of chips on these motherboards. So he has, if if if this happened, he has those motherboards. I forget who said it though, but someone was saying that to Andy's point eight, you know, introduce journalism once these store. Like once Bloomberg prince this New York Times and Washington Post, and those companies started are all trying to frame it. Yeah, and yeah, and they and not only is Bloomberg not sharing, and this not only is the author done this. A pass where story that they've written have not been corroborated by anybody else, which to me would not be a case to double down in. But to case the double down on mixture. You got this right us, you start seeing those sorts of things. And the combination of Bloomberg really having nothing to offer in terms of Lee's other reporters contract down and those companies not finding anything on their own where now they know where to look, I think, is highly suspicious and and and they're absolutely right. A sub component of that kind that's designed not to be found by physical search is going to be really, really hard to find. However, it's gotta be producing some sort of traffic unless if it's a or else the entire project was thinking about that because yesterday Greg Ferro he was adamant by the way and he has some expertise in this area. He was adamant that this could not possibly be the case for that very reason. We would checked it and I was thinking about it. Remember that the devices that the super micro motherboards we're going in, we're elementaries which we use, you're watching. NG. If you're watching a livestream you're watching the stream created by elemental right now, the elemental is connected the public internet because it's a, it's a device. We feed our video into it, compresses it and then sends it out to variety of sources. YouTube, you stream. You know, whoever you know is carrying our live feed. So it is sending data out to the public internet. I is it so far fetched to think that perhaps it's encoding into the YouTube video information that if if a state actor new was in their hidden kind of almost video stenography wouldn't be able to be. Exfiltrated without anybody knowing because it's a compressed video you don't. I mean, you'd have to. The story though. I mean, that's what they were warning us about. They're saying like they're getting used so nervous that they're doing all this light a hand over there. Meanwhile, we're running around and they're busy doing something else over here. But that's I'm just saying that I think you could exfiltrated stuff without being detected concealable I could. But also I think part of their story Toy Story was that this wasn't a chip that in itself constituted a breach security. This was going to be something that was going to modify the boot process or modify something signed the firmware to allow a subsequent hack to actually open the doors wide and that sort of traffic has also not been detected. So right. I'm super super skeptical. We shall see it would be a huge black Mark, not only for those two reporters. But for Bloomberg BusinessWeek, in general, this this, this information is such a power is almost as good as an actual attack, whether it's somebody who is trying to manipulate a stock price or a foreign power that just wants to get everybody to not trust their servers that's useful as well. So well, there's lots end side of it, which you mentioned several times is that this kind of stuff is happening. It's not no. Nobody says, oh, this will have. Yeah. Nobody's saying that remember for all of the things we're concerned about Russia, Russia during the to Russia doing Dirk. Sorry, Russia doing during the two thousand sixteen election. Their goal was not to influence the election and particularly one way or another. Their goal was just to seed chaos, which was going to be very, very useful to them one way or the other. Let's see here. Anything else we should talk about. I think we've done. I think we've done all of it. I think maybe we take a break and we come back and do our picks. What did he say? And he stories that you you think I missed. I'd like to talk about the the how there's a person on YouTube of who's said that they they, they run a third party repair business. And now all bunch of batteries that they were from overseas has been held as quote counterfeit, unquote, even though there's really no, no proof behind it an oddly enough this this seizure happened right after he produced another video claiming that apple is trying to make it impossible for people to repair their own stuff. And it's all over the Canadian news and I've had a chance to watch it. Yes, as Louis Rothman who's youtuber he, he says he received notice of seizure from US customs and border protection of quote, twenty apple laptop batteries. According to notice the batteries are counterfeit Rosman says their imports of quote original batteries in other words, apple batteries. So he's asserting that Apple's using the CB p to interdict repair batteries aimed to a repair facilities. In it yet, and he's also citing that the timing is odd. Given that this he hit, he never had any problems with us before until after he published a video about other repair policies, he doesn't like and also making point. I'm sure apple to have anything to do with this part of it, but that his, he gets the, he gets a multi page form letter from customs explaining what he can do, which is essentially squat. And Jack, they can just, it's just a, they can't. He doesn't have the ability to prove that these things are not counterfeit. They're not along for the possibility that these are actual legit batteries that were pulled out of other laptops and then simply package sent them. So it's it's, it's a good. A new chapter in, I think, is an ongoing story apples consi- apples continually making machines that by the by their construction, if we can't decide whether it's by intent are going to be almost impossible for for harder and harder for third parties to fix. Let. Alone, the consumers. What happens when even people who have the access to tools access to experience, even they get shut out of the ability to simply source their own materials from legitimate sources and fix things as an alternative to to the apple store. That could be a problem looking. I just because I think this is I think, and he's exactly right, but I think it's a way bigger problem because you hear complaints about John Deere and tesla and a variety of company doing things like this. And I think if they continue down that path unabated, they will leave themselves vulnerable to lawmakers passing regulations. And when lawmakers do that, typically do it the dumbest way possible that really satisfies nobody. It is way better to get out ahead of this stuff. And I'm okay with some companies making appliances. So I think that's one pass towards the future and other companies making incredibly modular stuff, but you, if you decide to make the module to make the appliance, it is therefore incumbent upon you to provide everything possible at the lowest possible prices for absolutely everybody. They get them fixed because with the power of your appliance comes to respond, the total responsibility of maintaining it. Otherwise, you go to find some happy middle ground where you have your beautiful medical facility with your top rated repair people who have. I don't know anything about these scary parts. I can come in and get everything swapped out in a. Any new thing that I just want to take home in us. But if I don't mind getting my hands dirty, I can go and get those components. And I understand that you disavow any safety. I might be half if I choose to do that, but I'm a grown ass repair person and I'll take that risk. And I say that as somebody who won't face lawsuits, if my battery happens to expose and burn down someone's house, but there are still has to be there has to be something better than what we're doing right now. You know, for the companies and for us, I think all these companies are going to have to learn to play nice because if they don't realize it or not, older, older members of congress are getting old and they're dying or they're getting caught in a in affairs and or they're being bought out by the industries that they're supposed to regulate and they're leaving, and they're leaving the house and the Senate. And now younger people who grew up with iphones corrupt with computers, who absolutely understand all the problems that some of us have been trying to explain to the government for a great amount of time. They're going to be the ones who are not going to simply be. Her not gonna fall for distraction techniques. They're going to say, why is it that? When was that? That when my when I dropped my iphone I had or excuse me, I'm going to say not gonna say iphone, but when I dropped my phone, my my local shop told me that they couldn't repair the screen because they're embargoed from being able to get the part that they need. And so the only thing I could do was go back to my phone store and pay for a brand new phone. They're not going to go for distractio- bell. It's such a technical believe me thirty two year old member of the house. It's so technical, you wouldn't understand it and you're talking to somebody who probably built their own gaming PC at age fourteen. So there's probably Toyota. Like like a month ago I went, I had a dent 'cause I get dense. Every time I park at the airport, I get dance and I went there and they said you have to replace the entire panelists one part. Now it's part of our crumples own protection, and we can't just bang it out. And so I went to my friend who just banged it out, but they would not. They absolutely would do that for me. Yeah. Challenging. By the way I have a date with a peak chew and a witch's cap. So we're going to move this thing move this thing along. I. Yeah, you'll get a shiny. Oh, you know, our shines good for anything, but Brown writes that they're totally bragging rights. Okay. So I, I got nobody to brag too, so I'm gonna sell Lisa. I'm going to stick with my any. I only keep amazing Pokemon. That's all. That's it. It's gotta be amazing, amazing or nothing. Oakmont from shelters. I don't hear about. Farms that you go to know it's, it's a shocking shocking. Let me just see if I can catch this one in the hat. Our show today. Char's all they need love to their much, but they still have personalities under it. Never gonna get the Niane -tic advertising campaign because we just keep giving them free ads all the time. Our show. Did they brought to you by t. pro TV. 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I t pro dot TV, slash back break, UCF for Kodak, break, thirty, Rene Ritchie. You haven't had a chance to do a pick in a while. What do you got. Honest with you. I totally forgot to pick of got to make a pick this week because I was so I was so busy easily, but I, I'm gonna make a repeat pick just because this literally saved my life over the last week. I picked it before and is actually two brands that are really good. There's one that's made by anchorman this one that's made by MO fee, but what they basically. Charging every Pokemon go player before we leave the house. Lisa says, bring me the brick. And what I love about this one is that it's got both USB and USB see on it. So it charges over USB charges really fast. I just plug it into my MAC book. Like whenever not charging my macbook, I just plug it into the MAC book charter, so there's no extra cables to bring with me and then it can charge USB out so it you can plug the USB to lightening cable into your ipad or into your iphone, and it can charge the iphone like three or four times the ipad twice. And if you're in a real pinch, it can even charge your MAC book. It's not enough to keep a MAC book pro going. If you're trying to do final cut pro from an external battery pack. But if you just if you just leave it in your bag plus the in, or if you have like a MAC book, twelve inch, it's enough to let to to recharge the thing. So I instead of carrying a bunch of different chargers and cables and things around with me. Now I have two of these imply bag, and it's obscene to have two of these Norma's charging packs in your bag until especially for me because the minute I hit the US roaming kicks in and whatever their differences. Our in house, sell radios, work from Canada, the US results in me being able to watch my battery, go down is just brutal being on AT and t.'s towers, and I plug it into this and I literally, I don't have to worry I can make it through a day and a half, no matter how intensively I'm using my phone. So I I had one I picked up to, and then I bought one for a friend of mine the other day just because there's there's there's not enough power in the world anymore. Leo I didn't. I think that's a great. I don't have types each other. I've, although micro USB chargers I need. Let's see, charter seventy thing I'm getting is a and I should mention this. Is this a secondary mentioned? I I had the chance to test out the sky. Yo are one which has a drone and artificial intelligence drone because yeah, turns out the big problem with drones is that humans crash, them, humans, crash them. So goddamn always Leo and it just. Crashers you know that. Yeah, and I, I can barely drive a car. So my ability to fly a drone is is nil. And so they released their their apple watch app last week, and I got a chance to test it out. So I took the drone out and it just flies and you say circle or follow, or lead or boomerang, or take a drone e which is like a drone selfie, and it just goes. And so some of the footage in my iphone ten art review is with a drone that was just circling around me as I was taking photos with the camera, and I didn't have to do anything Leo, and it took off and landed without me destroying it in any attempt to me. Yes, I've already I know Carson saying no, it's two thousand dollars, which could what you're, you're aspirated drones. I don't wanna keep another one. It's like YouTube is a, is it drone? Graveyard? You can't turn on YouTube without seeing. I crashed my drone. Are you going to do review on? I'm more. I did want. It's on. It's on YouTube, but it's I took Georgia and her family off roading. Drone are all of us. Yeah. Oh, I may be tempted you might be Leo I I was too scared to have a drone in this one and actually getting so Andy nocco. Do you have a pick of the weak force? A couple of quick picks of one is the shortcuts sub. Read it on ready dot com. Coke art slash shortcuts. Yeah. If you haven't been playing around with Siri shortcuts get you should correct this forthwith because it's the one on the coolest features apples come up with for the iphone ever. But what I love about this is that these are individuals were showing off stuff that they've created that are that's helping them out. So just I, I subscribe to the sub read it which means that when I'm looking for cute cat videos than than I just simply there'll be a link for, oh, I found a, I created a shortcut so that whenever I'm playing a song on apple music, it will find me the same song on on Spotify and give me the link to. It's like, oh, that's very, very handy. It'll get. And it will give you useful stuff. But also I think in. Spire you to create your own. Allow these are, hey, I want to try to do this. How can I do it? And people will jump in and help you. So really, really entertaining sub read at the other one is project stream by Google. You might have heard about this. This is their kind of pilot data to try to figure out how to stream games. So they licensed the new version of assassins creed. So this is not like a this is not a cut down version. This is the for real assassin's creed that can play in any desktop computer type computer that has a chrome browser. So any MAC, any windows machine? No mobile devices yet, but it's free to join. They're going to be doling out invitations. I say, go got my invitation last week and honestly, within the first twenty minutes, I totally forgot that I was. I was actually playing a game through a web browser. It was the, it's this full console grade stabby stabby stabby, full motion, a beautiful miss defects and cut scenes, and every. Thing again, just feels like you're, you're playing like an actual console game and it was. I had so much fun over the first twenty minutes that, yes, I went to bought an Amazon basics XBox controller because playing it worth. Crack pet is getting super super old. So it'll be free until at least January. So if you get a, hopefully they'll be enough so you can get your sixty dollars worth of what you would have paid for it. If you bought it for your XBox or for whatever constantly you're actually using. It's exciting stuff. They're not the first company to try to do streaming games and videos doing stuff with their in video boxes. But for a free game, you can play for someone like me who doesn't wanna make investment in a console, but who is kind of wanted to try console gaming. You can't beat free or excuse me, twenty two dollars for the controller. But you only by that when you realize that I could be stabbing and killing so many more Greek freak warriors if I only had a controller, so mice. What is so it's the Greek era sparked your Artan Spartans versus the Greeks. I think I didn't really notice because I was too busy. Stabbing them. All I cared about was that there was a dot on this person which said that if you press the button, you can kill them with your Lance. And I said, okay, okay, I can do that. Let me recommend our triangulation episode on Friday. Bruce Schneier will be our guests. We love having Bruce on. We've had him on before he is probably the best after Steve Gibson the best known security guy course. One of the very first things we'll talk about is the super micro story from Bloomberg, but he's got a new book. Click here to kill everybody. You might like that Andy security and survival in a hyper connected world and tying into that, I don't know if I've ever mentioned this, but there's a great post. At blog that bay on all dot IO called hardening MAC OS. And I look for these guides for other operating systems as well. It's really handy in Meko as pretty much comes hardened, but there are some very good tips in here. You may not want to do all of them, but there are some very good tips in here that you might certainly least wanna know about to making your MAC impervious. And I mean impervious to hacking some really great stuff. And he also says, no, you don't have one hundred percent secure system. You'd have to keep doing things like keeping your system up to date, preventing physical access, encrypt sensitive data backup and keep your guard up. But this is a really good article with a lot of good simple tips you can do in the preferences, blog dot b. e. j. a. r. a. n. o. dot. I o. hardening MAC o. s. and that goes. Along with click here to kill everybody. Thank you. India nocco you'll find and he's work on w. GBH Boston, Boston, public radio. And of course it is website. I h NATO KO. Is it back up in that code dot com? No, I've been working on through. I know. Well, you can the next the next time we get an ad for like people who will host your WordPress installation for you. Okay. We can use this as a case in point that if I move and I'm moving from self owes to do something else, I just got from WordPress dot com. The I think is my tenth anniversary on WordPress dot com. I just got a little a notice in my I know, isn't that cool? You signed up was at ten or maybe twelve years ago? It was. It was kind of fun. So I do know some people who might host your blog Indy. PHP new can never went back. Oh, god. Remember that. At thank you Rene Ritchie. I'm more dot com. Read his iphone, ten review watches, iphone ten. I review watches, videos, drone review, and and and just Pat him on the back as a man types like crazy work. So darn hard for us and he'll be going to New York next week or you could do a bagel. We'll get you back in two weeks. 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Apple Watch Series 6 and iPad event expectations

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Apple Watch Series 6 and iPad event expectations

"We have an apple event less than a week away and must assure that we knew that we could go I mean we were we were expecting hardware we here. Yeah we were thinking maybe like the IPAD air it'd be coming on the show talk about some touch deep. Harbin's. I mean we still could want to. Now got the tagline is time flies. The event is on Tuesday September fifteenth at ten. Am Pacific Time One PM Eastern time and It's from Apple Park and Cupertino it's going to be a streamed event not. It's probably going to be in the style of WW DC Apple's developer conference where Jeff Sessions Yeah. Because there's there's no there's no travel right now in terms of having a big populated event like that. So all right. We look forward to the end of the event stuff. Yeah and just a little bit and so so there's Not. So. Obvious. What happens there? First we'll talk about some apple stores stuff. So are calling Michael Steeper at five Mac has an excellent. Excellent coverage of this new apple, Marina Bay Sands Store, which we don't often talk about retail stores but this year, I think mostly visually because how it looks, right? I mean come on his Co. Like S. Yeah. I don't think we've spoken about the design of into Russo's on happier in a long time but because much like they were really nice. But they they generally look the same right. There's big glass windows and then you have nice interiors this so-called it flows from the say like. He's literally like an orb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly like a Jack London this just lying on the water and you go into it through these like underground. escalator that you work for a bit and they have some, they've like what you consider a classic big musto inside like an underground. So you won't pass like Roosevelt Washes and stuff. But then you go in these like escalators and you come out and you're in the ORB, you're literally like in the middle of the in the middle of the river and the. Stores so I want to go to Singapore to. I've never been like that a novice store before this looks so good like the even the Fifth Avenue store like it's a Cuban glass right in the middle and then. Underneath. But in the middle of the say you I always River come along and they have like blinds on baseball ru blinds that like. The kind of light blinds, but then no and they till through the day, they can direct the lie inside the store like see. It's awesome. It's a very nice looking store just got the city of Singapore in the background so you got. To contrast with it. So Yeah, Singapore's are. Matab. Give me a bridge Doda sits out in the. Gulf coast, we have plenty of room for stores light would look like this and. It's kind of funny because in the lead up to the this launching, they had the rap on. So they had like multicolor rapin people. Originally, some people thought that that was the. That was the look at the store like it was going to look like plastic a forever the it's just like the Fifth Avenue store they took down the you know the more. One thing finishes, and now you just got these. Beautiful Glass ORB that disliked sits on the water. Nicely, like So. Like would know metal blinds they can tune in and out and they have you know the big open ceiling basically. So the light to shine straight through. This Gadio talking about this store is looking at pictures but. So if you haven't seen it yet go look at the store. At the story that Michael Secret together because he has some really cool pictures You know he's got this whole network of of of readers. Around the world who helped him cover apple store news, and so he's really cool. First hand pictures that people shared with him. and. This is one of those stories where just opening was kind of a story on twitter where people really excited about it and it kind of contrast with right now on the US where. Many stores open. We're going to have an IPHONE. We're going to have an apple event without miniseries and we're going to have some kind of a launch without many up and was perfectly reasonable to expect that we have an iphone launch in October without outsource open. There's no, there's no change on the horizon. Right and. Someone asked me about that. It's. Kind of easy to imagine what happens is you know it's all online and. In deliveries and stuff. So and because you don't have those big queues around the stores. I mean like pre. DJ O'Brien coming on to the show onto the scene as I have return and people. I kind of downplaying the whole queuing stuff, right? Like they were trying to shove people online before any of the pandemic stuff happened they just. Like Angela Aren't RN's yeah she. I think she saw the the lines and the keys is a bit like tacky and stuff. So she was trying to downplay it and that's why they pushed so much onto the APP and preregister you. If you're going to pick up his, you know you get your time slot and you can't pick up and leave. You don't key around the block for like five hours in the morning but I i. What we what we had when I bring took over, you know start this year is the. She kinda wanted to bring some of that back like the frenzy of queuing is a Bloomberg reports that she wanted some. She wanted to bring back some of the liveliness of the lines and because of what happened the world they kind of delayed those plans but this year yeah no this year but I. In, the fullness of time, maybe we'll get back to a time when they are. You know they're they're kind of encouraging the keys whereas previously they were like, Don Planning at the moment you know you you you can't kept us to buy stuff you have to you. You come in for appointments and remodeled since Dasa or you can browse around but they they want you to just by stopping sending your house and get shipped. Kyoto? Yeah. That's the same with this new Singapore store Burt Marina Bay Sands is if you want to visit Book a time. So they're not totally out of the out of the woods yet they're either. Speaking of that underlying issue this week apple has. In House Design facemask that employees are. Would be able to use your. So what's the story like so? Member Eight apple announced they designed those face shields for medical health institutions and individuals, and they were like you know things that they could produce relatively quickly at mass scale. In the high of the you know the lockdowns and the spread of the virus and so apple design these like face show things that they shipped out around the world for free. They don't use them as well as a supplies of and ninety, five they. Had the round the show but foss food if he mounts and the Apple Design team have now designed mosques custom made just for their COPA employee's on their in return employees. They big had the story they announced the apple face masculine start shipping to employees who the next two weeks, and of course is apple says called these like you know, notice a Coleman God moss. To it looks different to to the to the normal kind of call small CC at Apple said that they were carefully source materials so that the the supply chain for their special mouse kid don't disrupt what they need for P.. Like actual nurses and doctors and stuff side the the materials that make the equipment the actually saved people's lives and hospitals at isn't going to be disrupted by apple's doing because I don't think that the Moscow they made here like the apple facemask is going to be. Donated elsewhere is just for corporate retail. You say you know and it's got like multiple is and he's a clever and they partnered with another company on a Clinton ask which is FDA. Approved schedule. Resistance to despot goes AB is completely transparent. So He's meant for if you're if you're a deaf hard of hearing, you can still see the other they have pets math and Mike when they're saying if you go into a store and they realized that success ability needs, they can put on a clear mosque instead and still have A. More. Intimate conversation with you then trying to premium when you've got a Payton also so. Classic Apple Fashion Right, the biggest company that where they have so much money and resources and they deploy him in these ways like whether it's Pretty store floating in the middle of the say or you know just the fact that they can they have the opportunity to design the face masks made by the same people that designed the I, found an IPAD now design and manufacturing completely in house their own brandon and designs a face mask. All right let's take a break from. Shaw. 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Would describe as a mainstream manufacturer of Gym Equipment Actually Selling a gym kit product so that Peleton Bite plus was announced this week and shipping a couple of weeks time I. Think It's twenty, four, hundred six as the base you the price of the poem by because they reduce the price of that one and new one came in at the same price point yes it's twenty, twenty, four, ninety, five. And and. Know in terms of like a stationary bike, which is basically what on is. It's pricey because part of it is that you're getting the big display so that you've got access to live on demand classes. It's been classes kind of thing But in terms of gem, kissed off twenty, five, hundred dollars value because if you if you want just a treadmill, for example, ten thousand dollars plus because it's meant to be used in a commercial environment, not your home. And so this is the first time ever since since two thousand seventeen or so jim was a thing where there's a solution that's actually meant to be owned by customer not like a gym owner or something. Yeah. Reasonably a football in the space of gym equipment like you could definitely get bikes. Next is bikes are much cheaper but. Pounds definitely the cheapest I've seen actually supposed Jim, and a little NFC sentences on the top of that display because the Peleton bike hub like a twenty inch ipad stock to the front of them where they show the you I am defendants, classes and stuff APP at the Apple Watch sentences just like in the top. NATO you can just like lift your hand up scanner only south the work out of. The to the by can watch each other to. Mention like resistance or? Information. When you finally done with the workout, they have the most information about the most accurate information about you recorded in the health APP. I. Mean that came out the blue but I think it's. Very much welcome like yeah. So the Peleton bike before this I guess is only their second version. They've changed the display before and that's been like a new version of it but not hold new bike itself. This is the first time they've really changed bike itself. And side from Jim kid like it's not not that much different the screen instead of being fixed in place, you can rotate it to the side and use it like a TV for other kinds of classes for the bike but believe, yeah, the gym stuff is just for the by that stuff would not be anything networks Jim cat. And the thing is, is it now can respond to resistance from classes so if you're like. Normally you you control the resistance with a Knob and you still can. But in in the new bike plus version, the NOP can adjust for ye based on what the instructor recommend studio. That's very neat but the stuff that's where it s really neat for us. And for the apple community because there hasn't been anything in, you know three or four years, and now another is and it just happens to be something that people already kind of you know like an. they did do. A new treadmill to which they they call Trad and they renamed their old treadmill Detroit pause. But neither of those get Jim Cat and tread pluses like forty, five, hundred dollars. That's the one I reviewed last year. And it would be perfect if it had jim kit. Doesn't but otherwise, it's a phenomenal treadmill. Like how you control speed and resistance and the belt and everything. But, no Jim Kit and Maybe, they'll redesign in the future at Jim cat because it's it's kind of lopsided the word for twenty, five, hundred and five hundred dollars to get Jim Kit for forty, five, hundred dollars you do not. You know on bike rushes treadmill and then their new cheaper treadmill is I think twenty, five, hundred dollars, the costs of the of the pricier bike, but it doesn't have gym kit. That's a big omission. It's not out until December in the UK and twenty twenty one in the US and and are places yet a treadmill because the bikes out. Yeah. For the TREADMILL you know which makes me think like you know, is there time to squeeze it in there because it's an NFC sensor is not expensive it's just implementing it. And the software stack is most the CA- shared across do on the bike anyway ex exactly but I don't think they're gonNa do it even though there is still time to do it because they're not doing it on the trip plus and that's the old one. So it's too bad. I mean, I would I would buy twenty two hundred dollars Mil. In a heartbeat I mean it's Pricey but for for Jim Gym treadmill twenty, hundred dollars versus two thousand like all of a sudden you can finance it versus it being impossible like play where I for the first year or two, you'd only find Copley on like the Ferraris right the is and then finally down to the you know the still expensive cars but the more you know of of accessories cars. Yeah, and finally like now is basically. The most time incentives. If you get the upgrading time saint by Saint, Eva who at least at least in Britain Pampers pretty much everything. So hopefully, this'll be the stall of kind of. Pervasiveness of Jim Kiss while. The whole chip pitches been you know you get the in Jim Environment. It's that you don't have to log in with your data on a on public machine so that you don't leave behind your information. You know whether it's age weight whatever all that stuff your profile. In Jim Katie. The watch it knows who you are you sync with it, and then when you when you don't the session, the machine forgets all information and it's all sync together on your phone. So it's In the right place. and. So I think that's why apple's focus was on on a high end gym equipment. At. least in terms of like pitching this out. But clearly, there's like a what what happened Peleton is that you have to have a heart monitor that you wear or you can try and kind of like do work around hacks to the watch to work with it but then you gotta log to work out in the watch out that using this cork around and not good. So I think what most people were care about what this version of the pulse on bike is that you know Jim is that who cares? Oh, now I can use my watch as my heart monitor that I was already wearing tracking to work out with. So it's kind of interesting that's like the Big Jim Kit is you get the most accurate data In this case, it's you get to use your watch as your. Hari. Monitor you know have to fiddle with another one. And I think that's going to be the most practical convenience and then we just like wake up in the morning you just step up to the machine and you go beep and then you just do it right? Like you'd have to fill about saying each thing up or only recording on the pilot's own and then sink some other way. There's just a nice it's convenience right and that's and that's why it was such a good feature. You know stupid it was limit to. Literally like the ten thousand machines until until now zone of a CD, want you to like subscribe and stuff right but you don't have to like The subscription is not mandatory or you could use it as as a dumb bike and yeah, and just correct right? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And if you if you're planning to just you know set your sayings and run with the Wallet, right you don't necessarily have to pay scripts. That the description moise for like. If you WANNA fall along with fitness classes Ryan they have instructors the do sessions on daily basis of kind of like the remote apple fitness thing is. From learning about Apple, negotiate, the gym Deo for this. Before they started making fitness classes. Yes. It's Amazon style, right? Money changed hands we don't know that. Show, Patterson was it very ha there are like, oh, we deal with Jim skits up. I'll apple's competing with us. A mixed emotions. Yeah. But that was kind of a NEAT NEAT announcement and it's been removed for a while the gym could stuff was initially there but they did it. There's going to be cheaper treadmill a pricier bike and and just kind of came out of nowhere and then we we have a sister site called connect the watts that covers smart gym equipment and our colleague Brad Chambers is is running that. So there's more information about the specifics of this stuff that isn't just the gym could stop if you're interested in that. Connect. The WIVES DOT COM website. Speed of a sister site and if Google or our colleague Kyle Bradshaw He. had a really cool apples today. Yeah. This is great. Yeah. So you may recall a few weeks ago our former colleague Mark Gherman now at Bloomberg News reported I that Apple's bundle would have multiple tiers and be called Apple One. And you know, okay. today cow bradshaw at Google uncovered. An actual reference to apple one in code in the ANDROID? APP for Apple Music. So it's like a direct reference to apple one being a bundle being able to access apple music without paying extra. and. So that's confirmation it it. It just adds to to mark Gherman report about Apple One. This is what they've got encoded in the ANDROID APP apple music. So it's also the first leak we've seen from enjoyed. For Apple. Music Franchise. Where yeah, I mean oversee over the summer. We did a bit of A. Pay. A bit reporting onto Mac about early references to. Bundle services and bundle features in I was fourteen code. Right we did post by that few months ago but the actual brand name apple one wasn't found or anything of that sort when. Mounted his reporting we checked in, but we can see see if we can find any evidence over in s and it was so. been. Cleaned the called webs but the one place it didn't look was the ANDROID APP for music. So he he and his clearest is not a big hit call that she found strings this I included an upper one with the end, the one capitalize so. You can manage your apple and subscription using your iphone ipad apple TV or Mac. So yeah, and you apple music subscription will be included in apple one starting and as a placeholder for what the date will be and the your apple music subscription was madly cancel if you have the upper one. So you didn't get charged twice which makes sense although rather amusingly if you have one of those carrier. Do. So, if you get the horizon APP music offer right. So if you have the hire plan verizon unlimited that comes up music that one doesn't Actually Council Magli. So you do in that is if you have the rise apply and you have to Manley cancel if you've already subscribe to that music just to be able to take him out but at least for Apple's own Bondo they gonNA. Gracefully transfer you over. So you don't get double charged they don't get sued. And I mean we we Kinda speculated the headline that the you know just just put in the context of this is the services as the week before the event you think this is something that would have say stage time with the event this part of the services. A. Change for this year. Is it's a good question like Uh. I kind of thing that they're going to do it with the phones and. Is there a phone angle to the bundle though or is it a services pet I? Mean maybe if you think they're gonNA do like a, you get one free year about with the phone on. TV plus last year, and then they they bundle the. Generous though come on ESPN said they have they run apple what is for things? Right they rented licensing problems because they can't give up on me for free abundant hauled records the music going Meno say they probably can't do that actually say maybe they do announce the battle next week and then even if there is a like a warm-up Primeau fines, they can do that note Taiba. Especially, if they're gonNA announce the fitness service, then if that's that's directly does supposed to be on the highest plan about one. So it kind of goes together. So at the required, I wonder you know Peleton had issues in the past with what they can license in terms of music because. Part of that work system is that you you? Come to the class and the music is applied for you. You don't bring your music they basically just provide a silent stream of voice and you have to bring you a music too well. So we'll. Bring Music and they and they have instructors, and so you don't bring your music unless you want to silence the instructor basically. and. So they've had issues in the past they get sued for licensing reasons. And so they had to limit the catalogue of late. What can their class B and part of the Peleton also not just live classes on demand and like you've got years of classes that can't be used anymore than you lose those classes So maybe apples pitch here could be they've got deals with music labels for Apple Music require that subscription for the fitness stuff and then it's unlimited why you know they they could using in the in in their classes if this that they're doing yeah. Apple One would definitely require a code support so us will have to. Incorporate with the screens though going to be the upsell screens. I always fourteen point eight. Yes I like a I. Think Markelle actually did the Apple Award reports coming one, which is just a roommate to be the version that twelve ships with. So maybe that's the reason why they do it in a week's time, but they equally, they could just say look we're doing this bundle get ready for it is coming next month. Ages if they're going to do the fitness of the kind of to announce the bundle. The thirteen point eight if they were on this person right come up because they're already on thirteen seven, right? After the riser. Yeah like four, zero one. But that'd be the only reason why it's probably not next week but again, Vince stuff in a little bit. The UK carrier. Actually, kind of preempted a of his bundle with their own, which they could have time apparently in partnership with. Apple in some degree where basically if you're in the east subscribe, which is like the leading car in the UK and they've had punched before with apple fence stuff, they had one of the first six months free rap music. Was the as well. Then new offering you can basically pay. And pay one. Carry a building price and you get Apple Music Apple News. Plus. Sorry you didn't apennines plus only. Apple. Music Arcade and TV plus. At discount and yet I believe on that you save about eleven, pounds ova buying separately paying for the same cell phone plan. So by getting the bundled one, you basically get like Putin arcade for free because you only pay for the music subscription. which. Is Pretty good saving and may even beat what the saving of the EPA one. Bundle Bay Gherman. said that you know you might be saving five dollars on the most Benz up one plan so It's funny that this came out literally like a month ahead of expect to be the. Best Pie offering. The carries can change around I'm sure they can switch over an hour one bunder if they want to be, it will be the apple lumber not to that doesn't have this isn't isn't it? That's the thing about who is the name of one but there's not one version of it. There's going to be like ten of. and. We'll have to rely Fisher pricing stuff to know exactly how good of a deal it's going to be. And then also kind of in the services around this week. Zero and then lg they bring the Apple TV. APP TO MORE TV's right. So video had been promised. Videoed already done like airplay. Support, but I haven't done the TV natively. that's that was td around for coming this year, and then you push back a little bit but then apple said coming this summer us. I. Guess They finally scraped in under the wire on the official definition of summer. Now. You can get video on TV's day after about two thousand, eighteen from vizier, and you can get three months free plus with it which they didn't do for the signs on Day or even the Simpsons Day, was originally exclusive. If you have a TV, you get three months free of tea plus if you're nonexistent subscriber and then LG is brought to mow TV's too. So they originally they went back and forth and when they're going to support twenty eighteen closet TV's they've done it for twenty one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, there were now they've actually shipped it for the two thousand eighteen TV's as well so. More distribution for the TV. APP and we still promise Sony TVs to get the TV APP. So that's the last one to full but then finally. Promised back from like. March of last year. I went wonder what is with Sony? That's that's taking. So long it's odd the LG thing is interesting because I think mine might Mayo lead twenty seventeen. So it was never going to be one gets the TV APP but that's the TV that we use the apple TV with anyway. So and tell you after they funding the distribution everywhere they promised and the. I see ads on twitter for the twitter apple. TV All the time now. Yeah. They started that like within the last two and the infuriates me because. It's so simple. It's so simple or your TV all in one place. On the Yes, a big stack of. The different networks oversee excluded is Netflix because they don't get on board. A to a half the comments in the replied to the AD is just people could play the included. People understand what the TV APP does it too because no one does and then you have a few more people complaining that t platinum content but I love. The thing about we are ads is like nobody see the ads and from just like random companies and or the or the comments I just people complaining it's just people voicing their like hatred for him and most of the Appalachians don't have that because in general most people like but the TV ads of started. It's so simple. It's like. You're pushing. You're pushing your luck there APO. Lead into the weakness and you advertise that part out and the and the video they've got attached to the AD is pretty slick like it looks nice. On a nation, but it has no correlation to like the actual quality of the experience that you get. Now as I'm looking at that stack on that twitter at I'm seeing that one's a channel that one's just integrated because it pulls you in that one you because that's part of the TV APP. And they have a separate stack icon for TV plus Lead TV plus icon. But you know that's just muddled in the mix and it's like come on please. Okay let's take another to break their. Fisher. We speak fundraise smart investing means having a diversified portfolio, a combination of stocks bonds, mutual funds. If you to the details of the accessible. Usually find a diversified set of real estate. And real estate is not easily available to individual investors until now fundraising anyone's to access these classes. It makes it easy to build a portfolio of institutional quality, real estate investments whether you're just starting out in the field or you're looking to grow fundraise has got you covered. It's an investing platform that makes me investing in high quality real estate. 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Tuesday this is the time flies event. Mayo can you give me your description of of the of the logo for this event? I cool an infinite loop. Lays out the shape of the Lega. This a lot of stuff going on in their reminds me of like like. Foam Shaving cream or something like everywhere because I saw when I thought of the things that what do they call them that you wear in the poll when you're little kid and they're like Like tubes that you'll hang on news right? Yeah. Yeah and he's like three of them like wound in the shape of an aggregate. Yeah it's blue. Blue. This is fine i. mean let's let's kind of go through the process of how this event was announced because There were rumors of something happening this week. There was disagreement about what it would be. Then we got into the day expect. An IPAD. Maybe Apple Watch stuff hardware wise and then over the weekend. Gherman said he doesn't think that's going to happen. There's going to be an invite going instead. And, he was only correct. Obviously. On, the day of the thing. Everyone. was looking around for partially about new products didn't happen. But if you on twitter people realize that if you started doing a tweet with the help tag apple event, the Classic Apple Hashtag, you would actually have those little icons that go next to him, which let the sponsored event things where. Paranoia. Overseas. They've happened like for years and early this week is actually realized they could Hash flags has. A flag TAC. Yeah. Yeah. So you've got your tack and the next to it. You get fancy icon, which is a hatch flag and the icon was a blue Appalachia logo and there's this website where you can see like when they started and stuff and indeed the hash flag was initiated. On the eighth and it was set to run through the twenty eighth. Bought Apple had not yet announced an actual event. So for about six hours, people just tweeting Hashtag Apple Levin this thing and there was no advantage trending and no one had a clue what was going on and I pretty show the apple didn't mean to do it that way like either apple screwed apple twitter screwed up but. I presumed it worked I mean it would. Hatch flag was not meant to be started until the actual invites went out. Because it was very confusing and he's not the first time that an apple in collaboration for promotion has backfired. Most recently with the iphone seven. Twitter advertising. Releasing ads of like the fence seven picture gang splash circuit was the first year it went waterproof. We're covering the key like that happened literally within the first second of the keynotes dying. So why ahead of the holidays had to say stories about things that weren't even the KENO? This is the I find seven. Yeah it was. Crazy, they haven't made that mistake again and leaking hash flag is slightly that's embarrassing than like video of your actual. But yeah, I mean if it would have been I, think it was just so much like you know what will happen today in the air that that that's what made it really interesting. 'cause otherwise, they'd be like Oh oops they had one plan and then didn't do it. You know because I wrote it off. It's just that usually have a September event this year, they're not going to have one. And he could see how it was scheduled where they had the text. They had the test youtube. May Stop as well like a week, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it was a up I'm pretty sure but it was such a smoothly public Kinda just added to the hype train, and then you know in the often infamy I'm sure it was that. They actually announced the event for real. Time flies and the Texas blue right and they even have an Easter eggs. If you click on the logo on your phone, you can see an enemy version of the News Apple transmogrify into the numbers nine dot one five as in the September. American. So you got these blue states or the text is blue. I pose with it because they are. and. What was is removed to be blue and have allied sensor which hopefully they are. Right time of flight. Everybody time if like camera deep blue collar to replace the midnight green color, the I hate at this point in the day, we were all this all that working with be at an accent I find twelve event unveiled yet mark between South that is blue because of the blue iphone mean. We're all in that. We're on we're on, we're on the path. Doesn't you know apple doesn't always include Easter eggs in event invites and the icons and stuff but this fout pretty on the nose, right? Like you had a out. A note and you had the blue color. By unflustered flight. Time. Flew very quickly about ten minutes after the invite went out. The fact that the was going to be part of it was basically squashed into the ground. Yeah. Mark deleted his tweet. Apparently found out information after he posted original story, the the iphone to was not going to feature and they're going to hold it for October. And about I. Mean we we knew there would be phones in September that they'd be releasing. But by having a September event in the middle of the month, it's like okay. Well, they're gonNA ounce. They're going to lose some the beginning of October. So you know. But that this is this then gets reported out you know I marketed by a number of other places that no phones as month at all. Yeah. Enough publications had the same story within the spices like thirty seconds each other. This has to be appleseed expectations in one way or another right. They, it would be disastrous if people when heading into Tuesday, expecting the to announced and it didn't happen. So this is like a perfect opportunity for apple to do a quote unquote controlled league where you know they don't low expectations they just. Fun of the expectations in the right direction. So it's like, okay we know the offense coming out next month but really is nobody announced six week either is coming later. Presumably. There's going to be another event next month. Yeah. That's that's what Kinda. So interesting about this because they've got a pack, you know hour and a half or so of a produced video with products next week and none of it will be iphone. On month, you know but not this year and then do it again next year and maybe like an hour and twenty minute event next next month but. For I phones next one that's you know. They're they're not that like that. It's easy to do it event like that. But but maybe there's so much off this rumor that we'll see a little bit this month but next month, and that's how they pull it off. Yes. If last year, right because generally apple FIS pretty rigorous schedules on stuff like this. So last year they had a September event. And then they had price briefings for other products in October Novem- by like the episodes pro and the six inch map pry right. So they generally, you know in recent history of just had like. The media in September and then press briefings for other products later. If you go back a little bit. You get to like the when eighteen I prior year where you had the IPHONE. event. That everyone to in in in re in person because it was a different. And then the very next month everyone to new. York. For The New York event where they announce, they knew I price in the Medicare. So they you know they do normally all they've done both strategies where you have one event and then just brush briefings or you have one event in September one don't tell you. Know like. At the question for them right and. I'm trying to remember what did they announce in twenty eighteen September event it would have been the iphone tennis, the approach series four. Maybe. That was it. I think. I. Think that was it. Like. So many events have happened between now and then. It would have been series for been tennis appreciate about. A. Event where they did the. Right and then might mini update so like they don't have to have. Reams and reams of products to spam both events they've shown data. And this share, it's even easier than ever to like host don't pull events because you'd have to bring people anywhere. There's not travel right like I'm sure an apple logistical side they still plenty of effort maybe the same out of actually arranging thing but in terms of. The people are inviting. You to sing I'm watching a video videotape day. I think they can very easily get away with having. Two separate and because it's you know W W DC was one thing because he's got like four major software platform to go through And so and that was pretty lengthy and impact and yeah, it was a lot of really good production This could easily be sixty minutes. Will be satisfied. It doesn't have to be an hour and a half or you know closer to hours they no requirement for it be set Lang's. Be Like it because it's so produced necessarily it can be like sixty minutes runtime and that's that's your whole thing. You know I mean and there was a lot of. People on twitter pointing to the events. Doesn't ever change though exactly slash events you can click on a button and you get did show calendar time slow but. For as long as. The controversy is always been set for too long. Yes, and the events are not always two hours long. A bit longer and that was rough but WC two hours twenty but generally usually shorter. One, hour, thirty, two hours. That's the that's the average window and then they just away. It's just what happens because they don't want to leak. It'd be stupid if they did a short handed blessed be boring because the controversy shore or let's let's can be ready because longer than they don't want to put those influences the papers, the events always too long regattas hallowing after the Venice now I think it's reasonable to say they're not going to hold a forty five minute of it because why bother? Hopefully being to the next air probably be in the hour and a half range, and so what we're going to see we pretty sure. Is Not the IPHONE, but it's going to be the. IPAD air update, and then the APP what series six Ryan. Let's take a sponsor breakthrough. Moment. We'll get more into the event and and what we think will see in less than a week's time. Sure. So far a law sponsor of the episode is thanks to our friends at smile software takes expand removes the repetition out of work so you can focus. 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We talked about it last week you've got not on the week before you there was this league pamphlet and these eggs that basically show at IPAD air inspired by the I pry. So you get thin it does there's no home button. You get sides is going to be my children to support the second generation Apple Penzo at supposedly switch into your SPEC- as well, and it's got the smoke on the back, which will you know ninety nine percent be supporting the magic keyboard accessory probably wouldn't even need to make a new magic keyboard a listen to this show actually. Responded to me and said. With a if he's going to be tampering inches the. Wider. Than they can probably just fit it in the eleven inch magic keeble case which makes perfect sense. You know just run the production line they can sell it full two hundred and fifty dollars Iras gymnasiums as You keep track pad right there that you keep it on track right apple makes loads of my nose accessories but people really want them so he's like a match made in heaven. And then you've got this IPAD, air the takes the best bits of the IPAD pro design. But by trimming the cost down the Bezos went be quiet as thin. Used to get the nice randy edges, look an on the screen. And you're not gonNA get face ID. Supposedly what we think is going to be instead is a biometric enabled kyle about an so you like put your thumb on it and it does tiger think scanning the button instead and maybe bond Russa then come to like the next see next year or something because quite took the fool that it seems like at least right now it's coming I is a and. What we oversee the pricing we do know that it's going for the headline because the pamphlet that she said I had ever, and so the current IPAD air what four nine. So even if they made it slightly more expensive at five, ninety nine. He still cheaper than the like seven, nine, seven nine. Yeah of the IPAD pro line a bringing like the best bits of the pipe, right? USCC and the modern design language with no home button and justifies nine vacation. Without breaking the bank. So I think it's going to be a very good product. If he use a combination like I've had pros awesome. If it's like your laptop replacement or computer alternative, then that's terrific and it can be value there. Especially, if the you know with with sailor and everything can be really awesome if you use. A portable Mac. And an IPAD, pro, then you can kinda double your cost. And Not Actually Double Your productivity think so we're having something like this up. You know that's kind of where I've been less comfortable with the IPAD pro in recent years with also using a macbook pro is that there's they're both heightened costs and like one is better for me than the other but I like the IPAD you know and so if we have this IPAD air where it's modern and it's not dated. Look and everything but it's also you know back to like affordable ipad prices where it's super high end and that's really appealing think by this will be a fan of this one and you've got the twelve point nine, inch ipad pro the first ratio j yeah fifty motto. This would be an upgrade for ye like roquette screen size, but I guess he liked the Big One, I? Do like the biggest green yeah like. I mean the same reason why by the new APP pros probe's emory's my be like rush unhappy recommends to people that you need just like an IPAD for entertainment my browsing and enounced off but like. If I'm going to spend that much money on something I need to be like truly get it productivity uses in the IPAD a separate system continues to be plagued by. Bad Molly tell skiing. Poor foul management staff like call is just way more complicated than what you can do on a macbook. I'm just carrying along with mind I've had I. Bassi. Just use to watch like video nowadays maybe right and I'll be happy to invest in Atlanta pro again when they can like the multitasking is thing that noise me the most light and? We've been combined. I've had my skin's since IRAS eleven. Then, we'd I was twelve. No Change I was thirteen. Made it worse I was fourteen no change. So know that's why twenty fifty I pry because it still the same and I think when they added the the stuff last year with the multiple and slide over windows I just made it even more complicated by didn't like a second axis of complexity the so. Not, super happy with the motels duration on the IPAD But. They already shared what they doing five pederasts fourteen this year, and then addressing it. So roller on right laying but the IPAD, like. The current IPAD kind of. Kind Kinda squeezed out right from you've got the budget three twenty nine pad. which has the odor design but who say much cheaper and then you've got the I pro which toss it like eight hundred dollars really expensive and it looks nice and modern, and then in the meadow, you've got the current IPAD. which looks like the cheap one, but it's basically twice the price. So I, feel at the car and I, paid that doesn't really sit very well in the lineup like the differentiation on both sides is not very good. What they've got proposing Haywood they've remote one. It so that problem right like the budget IPAD can still be cheap and it will look quote unquote owed. But you know nothing wrong with the through twenty nine is a great ipad and then you have to go slightly up the ladder and you get one has you know the modern design language with gesture based control and stuff, and it shouldn't be too much more expensive, and then if you really want to go the hawk, you can get the ipod probably, which will have like the promotion screen and I'm sure they'll give it fourteen x pointing this year like I regime ing that these ipad Eh. Properly is going to have a fourteen Japan it. No ex- that's sued the same as an iphone twelve, right? Yeah. That's what I mean could be wrong in. The Room aren't clear on this, but I've been like Muslim ahead is this IPAD air have a fourteen and then when they do the APP approved I'll get like the fourteen x situation. which would be. Kinda funny. The they're gonNA show the chip off before it comes to the fire, but you have to remember like the schedule is not. What they wanted right light in. The IPAD and the phone would be update at the same time in September but the funds got pushed back a lot. Sir Not happening and they've had shown in the past. They've happily done it like originally the new Silica and would always come to the IPAD I like you can go all the way back to like the ipad to where the the I five chip in the two and then he came to the forest in the full right. So it was only in the last three or four years where they flipped on its head where it comes to the iphone first and then come to the IPAD with know with an x nation on the back end so. Happy to announce fourteen chip. You know next week and then even if the is not coming out for another month because like they this was just sitting stone months ago and at that time they would have thought that the defined probably coming up I but. Yeah. Exactly. Chips and we we we don't really have to talk about. Internet's but is there any chance that the September of next week? We're there's no phones. But could we see the first apple silicon Mac announced here or is that probably the other half of an iphone event timed with the release of BIG CERCAS Big Sur? I mean that is the question. Right? Like you've got this ipad update. Yeah. which you can probably give like twenty minutes to write then you can have. The airport she was six. which we don't know much about but we know it's called sent Sensua- and then probably faucet chip. But unless they've really head something from us and to be fair they hit always understood from his last year so we can be surprised. I meant. Is they've really going to be a monumental keynote segment for the redesign only like the reason I was like rumored to resign, and then we saw it because it leaked we caught it be now. Now that was the series four though, right right right here before before but it was late in the game. When we when we had the images of quote had said, there would be a redesign. Actually two years ahead he said it'll be next year and. You know and there's the whole time flies could this be a watch focused is watching us was it where we are now seven seven So lackluster because so much of it requires new hardware and this is the rest of us seven for this time flies event and that's why. I even have a phone there like or is it just? You know what? What's kind of expected, which is a a better version of the series three. And then a series six, you know with with with marginal improvements sensors. Yeah like so I mean I'm ready Interesting Gordon store or like the time flies definitely. Apple Watch if he's not responding to the fine. Beyond just like blood oxygen. Yeah. So much of the watch opportunities I think lion software improvements hardware has advanced pretty quickly. And they haven't caught up to you like always on display you know they got it for the watch face and they they need it for more areas, different APPS and different watch face modes but. That would be more of a WBZ thing and didn't happen this year there are. Of the. Series Three S which. Is Different because in previous years, they've just taken the exact same Modo isn't just drop the prices down. That would give them a bit more like duration of time to explain in terms of exactly what different or what's brought, what combination of series three and see if you go in this cheaper right and why are they doing a new motive for the first time and stuff like that that has some ceremony satiated with it but at least where we're seeing from the vantage point today. I think they're going to have to have something else. It's the white and then this the fitness stuff and then it's the bundle, right? So They do the fitness stuff right and I'm and the fitness 'cause he's like apple music can spend like fifteen minutes just showing you demos of. and. Here's what it looks like on the Apple TV and then look sink to the watch on the phone, and then it's in this iphone APP when I was fourteen, you know the add this now renamed fitness look at this new type it's got. Social these subscriptions. So yeah, the fitness side is definitely one angle. And then the bundle probably has to come along with that. I. Personally. Think they're going to do the bundle with I. Don't know why but I feel like they're going to do the bundle with the phone. So as. We'll see we'll see but then you have to look at the other hardware on the tape or else is it going to be right because I had this headphones? APPALACHIA. There could be hump. Many important. That's such. A small product is apple TV? Update which is now for next year unfortunately. Yeah. The SMO- hind paw. and. Then you add tags right and digitize justice weeks of the tags already in production. So maybe tags are going to be coming out next week again, kind of like an iphone product, but they could they could do a standalone that'd be good to get out. I mean he's been long in the long. Run. An. It doesn't matter. WH-. Would they this month or next is going to be more appropriate for the world situations you see how high this thing now with they'll unsure like two thousand dollars. If you lose an item, they're getting more competitive really I didn't see that. Yeah. Get a new insurance thing where if you lose tile tracked item I think up to a thousand dollar value will cover it. It's like other getting more competitive before apple even gets to market because apple's coming to market you know. I, mean. Like. The IPHONE Apple Care Sefton loss plan. They basically have something like that because you ensure the phone for for theft loss but you have to have a fine my iphone turned on by Monsanto useless. WHOEVER FINDS IT basically? Yeah. Yes. So you have to have five Anton four location and to make it uses to ever a finds it. So that's kind of. How the stance on that? In show your phone but you gotTa make sure you get entrapped around the city don't you just stealing it for? Thing, but we're going to cover it. Yeah exactly and so you can imagine the future that'd be a similar apple. There's another service for you. Apple Care Device lost. You just have to make sure an tax doctor it can be any device. Yeah. So I think is a reasonable chance and then you sit of the time applies their tax. If you're times lost. How'd you find it again? And then the other one is obviously the Apple Silica Mac. Yeah. Fingers crossed excites me and yes. It'd. Don't you feel like it's going to be okay. But Oh yeah. Yeah. Because MAC OS tends to run longer and it tends to be when October when they when they get it ready and that's totally this year and they can even say like. December. They didn't. They didn't say it'd be like in the fall right? They say it'd be this year they said by the end of the year by the end of the year. Okay. So that could be December thirtieth. You know kind of thing we've we've seen that before But just to show it offers KINDA NEAT I mean. Yet like I think. Many different places have indicated the irs fourteen and what's your seven will be launching in September, which makes sense because. The IPADS GONNA have to run the I ipad. It has got around August fourteen and the new watch is gonNA run what what try seven. So that's be ready to go and see your pregnancy I was fourteen come out on either like somewhere between the twenty third Thalia. We don't have the same. Assurances four MAC OS. And the macaroni is still pretty rough as you experience, right? It's not quite a I think. It's pretty stability winds like if I, told you that macos big was launched a week and a half would you be happier? Would you be thinking? They should wait. I would be like Oh call. They got some really good fixes in the works. Can't wait to use those crossing your fingers. Yeah. So yeah, like realistically. Seems like Mac Os might be like the Endo October which then lines OPOKU APO SILICA MAX to be coming out in November, for instance, that over to the event and I'm sure could make a huge do they can do I find? They can do apposite Max is like a really strong combination. Yeah. Well. That's certainly is a lot here for for two to virtual events to video produce events. Yeah. They can definitely do like especially when throwing this stuff and I'm sure they can always do another like TV trader shortly somewhere in the mix and they lost some other nicer prizes and maybe have a game demo but not from epic games because I think we'll get anything with with TV plus they've got. You know we've mentioned before last week. It was a art stuff. There's there's the original podcast things that have been kind of floating out there. At original Po, Kasey. By the way, they might make a big deal of. One Yeah in general is I thing is not just the TV plus stuff but just an apple original podcast. Selection, they launched Oprah's book club on Apple Podcast this week. So I think that definitely rubbing up that staffan if they get to announce the bundle, they gonna WanNa like even if even if the CASA next year I could easy say look we're going to have. Apple House plus we can have apple fitness plus we're going to have. Four other things that you may be one that we can help into one big thing that you can buy. Say. Like. I. Think he said GonNa be good. I, but he's only assumption that next week event is more than just like the new IPAD air and blood oxygen sensor in the watch lining. Yeah. We we've certainly set our expectations Reporting and apple is seems to have helped set the expectations that you won't have any. But there's there's so much on the table for the next few months. It's just of a matter of like. You does it come or not, versus which will it be either way? It's it's so close together. Again, the other wanted to say, remember we already saw the. homepod update get labeled fourteen point one so. You Know Hump of mini probably coming La. Let's be realistic. and. That includes those features where. Homepage. Does sound recognition stuff. It can tell you who the front door with don't get doorbell and even like the infinite playback feature Ella Music. Yeah I'm support for the music services. Theoretically spotify she support. You can have spot five running natively on the homepod which. Pandora we'll there like they'll do anything with an API I mean they were really quick off the mark with upper streaming, right? Yeah. Yeah. Complains about at Pandora does. The nobody uses Pandora. Don't you feel that the use Pandora these days I mean they get they got bought by serious right and so yeah to use them they've got money but for a while ago, everyone was like Pandora is the big thing that was the inter- Internet. Radio. Door everyone's wants Pandora. spotify kind of camera like Oh. Yeah. We just kind of wanted to pick what music we WANNA listen. And then they eventually matched what spotify does but this too. Late. Yes if I had to guess. And I'M GONNA ASK US WELL WE'RE GONNA I've had a a series six, the three s wherever they're going to call up. And then the fitness causes. Okay. Basketball I think they're going to go with apple car probably tightening apple glasses because it's it's time flies and why why not? And then also, they did get the guy from Boeing several years ago maybe like eight years ago. So now they're going to have the time flies in apple airplane those applying got the. Apple rockets to they're gonNA take on. Like SPACEX, Internet. Amazon's Internet stuff. So why not you know? Like Apple Apple. Satellite. Internet. Just. Do. That they can. Nowadays, they can do everything it just make you a subscription. PALAPA one Tim Cook says it all sit on the table take especially when it's the subscription. I. Think with that one, that's the question is, is that going to be next week thing like a fitness classes a so energized to apple, watch the bread is going to be a thing whether they're ready to be like and he's already Taya Bundu net pairs well with a with a a watch that isn't the this this may not be the year that. The watches the big new thing. It's the watches ahead already, and if you're in the market watch just got better in terms of features and price. But the big new thing is like look at this thing that you can do with it from Apple First Party now and that can also kind of fill that void of watcher seven's kind of US newsletter. We really hoping again, fit fingers the. Hardwares in the new, Walsh will actually make like sleep tracking. Significant. Because we took this when seven came out they, they delayed sleep tracking for a long time and what currently exists in the bay is you know it does the job, but it's nothing like extraordinary. It seems very average considering the amount investment they put into it a crying a whole company like. It just be very strange to me if the new watch comes out and obviously Jacob. Up. More, than they actually offer in the current buyers like eight, I feel like there has to be something special like some secret source that many it was coming out. Why you delayed competitive like every other everyone else because ships they shipped here is basically what like pies? Yasser doing year one right. There was not even today. Literally year one like, yeah. This week brought back the nine to five Mac time podcast for season three with him do ten episodes and from now through the New Year and Jeff Benjamin from night if five. maxxie channel was my I guess for season three and we talked about that. It's like with the tracking and watchos Seven Watch It doesn't replace what a sensor does like it's. Totally. Different, league. it's it's so simple compared to what even what a better since since can do. And Surely, the game isn't just for apple to keep selling a mattress censor firstly tracking and the watch and the phone mode and all that stuff. So. please. Let that be inches of again next week. Otherwise it's kind of a mystery s as to what took so long to get to where they are right now, which is not that advanced, and then how long will it keep selling bat? Happy. With what they've got the watch now. Oh, and the other thing, the the the the water challenging math thing right like what is it called while? Power the new power. Is probably coming because we've seen like a software leaks and we saw that thing a couple of weeks ago where the iphone twelve has magnets in it. Whereas magnetically attached to it so. That could be another product this. Thing if they have if these charging pads minute, what would watch as well as the fines and it could be next week or it could be type event, right? Yeah. Well, it was it was there anything with ipad mini before we had offered the week that could be you know we feel about IPAD air having this redesigned like A. Pet Crow earlier this year said there was gonna be an eight point, nine inch ipad mini. So that'd be an inch bigger than the current IPAD mini screen size. Okay. He didn't specify I. A design. Or the screen changes that we expect to. Mike. The micro stuff he did say that the Microsoft keeps getting pushed back. You know I it keeps going left right and center. That was a whole pandemic ago too. Yeah. That was that was pre pandemic staff and my personal belief is that's always gonNA come to like the I pro line first so We are expecting you know maybe not the. Before the end of twenty twenty but maybe let the I corps twenty one there'll be an ipad pro refresh with fourteen acts and maybe this new might really displaced off so many screens so. I'd be surprised if the IPAD mini go out of the Blue Right Bert, maybe I mean I think it'd be nice if they do not have many update that makes it modern right within Basil's and stuff, but that hasn't leaked yet so I wouldn't bet the House on. All right IPODS. The I touch keeps on chugging. It does it remains a product lineup remains of product in the lineup, the budget i-ipad. Maybe suspect bumped to thirteen idolize expanded to carry on right like I think it's Both for the it does they don't need to change the hardware just. Pumped the predecessor given fourteen chip carry on with your life keep the price. We'll get the price even if they can cause. You know I think they're expecting the I've had to be very popular this Yeh. And stuff. All right. So the event is on Tuesday ten am Pacific One PM Eastern time US on the fifteenth of September. We'll have coverage leading up to it, and all the event will be back here on Thursday, the seventeenth talk about what happened and then. Senator that will kick it into like iphone event speculation. is around the corner, the endless trying to train. All right. That is the happy our podcast this week. If you enjoyed the show, you can share it with a friend. We really appreciate you doing that. I'm on twitter and Instagram at pollock Benjamin you're on twitter at bees that I may I and we will be the next week everybody.

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166: iPhone XS + Max Review

Vector Podcast

26:09 min | 2 years ago

166: iPhone XS + Max Review

"I'm Richie welcome back to Victor, and this is the iphone tennis and tennis max somehow probably by infinite looping around the apple park ring until it hit eight miles per hour. Apple was able to send tomorrow's iphone hurtling back in time almost a year as a result. If you spent a few hundred bucks more and learn some new gestures, you've been living the last eleven months in the bell and home button free future. But basically every sci-fi plot twist, ever has shown us time. Travel is never without consequence by releasing tomorrow's iphone last year. What was apple gonna release now today, the answer of course, was an is an s type update because as much as some people disliked the iterative 'in-betweens nobody likes nothing as a result. I'm sure almost every review for the next long while is going to percent over a single utterly predictable question, whether I phone ten owners who picked up their little piece of the future last year should consider upgrading to the essence to present this year spoiler alert. The people who bought the iphone ten last year, we're either constant early adopters or eager to upgrade then. So they wouldn't to wait until now. They'll either automatically get tennis as part of one of those increasingly common annual update programs, or they'll just keep on keeping on until they need the next new thing. They know that based on how I found tennis was introduced as a new iphone ten and not an all new iphone. Apple knows that it's just the rest of us. Nerds have to get better at remembering it. It's everyone else. The ones who are still undecided about this whole next generation phone thing who still own older iphones or Android, curious who maybe think the iterative in-between is really the new model done. Right? Thanks to a year of early adopter, beta tester, fed fixes and improvements who may still be undecided about upgrading wondering if now might finally be the time to hand off or hand down there all die phone or Android and embraced not some Naci future, but the buzzer present for them. The people who spent the last year looking at that edge to edge display HD video, fl. Fluid navigation at face ide- depth, e selfish an animal g. and almost every phone almost every vendor that's try and largely failed to copy it. The iphone tennis and the bigger iphone tennis max could be compelling. I think that's exactly the customer. Apple is aiming for this year and I spent the last week trying to figure out if the starting at nine hundred nine iphone tennis and starting ten ninety nine iphone tennis max really are the phones to do it. I don't tennis max. The biggest news about iphone tennis is literally the biggest news. A six point, five inch version. Apple is calling max. It looks like phone eight plus with shave and a haircut, seriously. You need to see this thing to believe it. Now, confession time I've been having some trouble easing into that name max seeing and hearing apple use. It isn't your parents reading from urban dictionary weird, but it's close aside from sounding like max MacIntosh computer. It comes off as more than a little over the top like MAC site, which radically is a phrase I personally use way too often, but maybe that's exactly what. Apple's going for here either way by this time next year, hell this time. Next month, I doubt any of us will even think about it anymore. Not so sure. Just ask ipad. I get what apple didn't stick with. Plus though in previous years, plus versions weren't just bigger. They were better. Notably they had higher screen densities superior cameras, including for the last few years, deal camera systems and more memory. That's simply not the case with max this year. Aside from the physical size, both models are identical same, four hundred fifty eight pixels per inch. Same deal camera systems and sweet Christmas, even the same, four gigabytes of memory. I tennis max is literally a bigger phone tennis because Max's bigger apple can squeeze in more pixels twenty six eight by twelve forty two instead of twenty four thirty six by eleven twenty five. And if my math is right, that's more than a standard retina ipad like the ipad mini or nine point, seven inch ipad. There's also a larger battery to help push all those extra pixels. But that's it. That's all differentiating based solely on size is something apple has done off and on with the ipad lineup as well. Of course. Size itself can be seen as an exclusive feature for some the more expansive more legible now, including the much-anticipated return of displays him more pixel full six point, five inch. Tennis max will be well worth the extra hundred bucks apples asking for it. Others though will see them more compact more pocketful more one, Hannibal five point, eight inch phone tennis as we spot say themselves those hundred bucks and smile. So why while doing it personally, I've gravitated towards the bigger iphone ever since apple introduced it other than my apple watch. My iphone is the one device I have with me everywhere and can use to do almost everything, and I want to be able to do as much as I possibly can with it. That's including both the display size and the camera for the last year though I've been living on a five point, eight inch phone ten because it was so much green and so small package now that the cameras are no longer distinguishing factor will stick with. That's is really escalate back up to six point, five inches, big iphone versus tiny tablet is something I've joked about in my reviews for years, but this is no joke at six point, five inches. It really is like. I phoned ten had a baby with bad mini. That's especially true in landscape where like plus sized iphones before it, you get the ipad style, split view a out an apse even though you still miss out on the functional difference in aspect ratio and on key features like side-by-side apps and picture in picture, which at this point along the phone maturity curve, those no longer feel like cramming complexities. They feel like missing functionality holding ten max. It feels about the same to me as the previous plus models is just a tad slimmer, but not that I noticed that screen, though, facts, you can't miss. Almost all of us will need to swipe down for each ability to get to the top half and tap into the one-sided keyboard to type one handed or just give up and treated as a to head device. But what you get for putting up with the bigger dimensions are those bigger dimensions and it can be hell of award. I'm guessing end up landing on the max still. I'm going to jump back and forth between them for the next month to really make sure stay tuned iphone tennis design way. What a design section for a phone that's almost visually. Indistinguishable from the previous years, isn't that like having a design section in a Porsche, nine, eleven view a Laker M-series review a Rolex of mariner view, whatever. There are some important distinctions, both in how it looks and in how it works. The most obvious is the new gold finish after sticking with it on iphone eight, but not even using it on I phone ten, this year's iphone tennis and I phoned tennis max. Both come with not only silver white space, gray, but gold. It's not the champagne or rose gold of the six or seven and not even the blush of eight. It's something new like the new steel gold apple watch that. So perfectly intentionally matches it. It's deeper to my is still rich, but not at all Austin, Texas, splash pink, a touch of Brown. It's bling. It's just not so fussy about it, and I like it a lot since you can't anti stainless steel. Apple brought the gold back using physical vapor deposition. Theoretically, it makes the surface tougher and more resistant to abrasions diamond like carbon DLC, which apple famously used to make the black steel apple watch into something akin to adamant him is. A form of PD. The bands are still beyond surgical grade, stainless steel and the front and back are still glass, but even stronger glass than the already even stronger glass, apple and Corning, cooperated on last year, chemistry typically forces a trade off, the better glass formulation resist. Scratches the easiest to crack the better resists cracks, the easier it is to scratch my iphone ten survived many a drop, but it did pick up more than its fair share of battle damage this year. Apple says it found a way to improve both. Take that chemistry. Still apple in coining, worked miracles. Notwithstanding, I'm eager to see how the tennis holds up over time. The display is still edged to rounded edge Ed video still Dobie vision. HD are ten compatible photos though, including the fancy new smart HDR ones. I'll get to in a bit get an even hired, amick range, sixty percent higher according to apple, and they look terrific. But one second short but necessary rant about the display a year later. And a lot of people who really should know better still insist on calling the iphone, a Samsung display and crediting, pretty much everything about it to Samsung. That is much both. Now as it was, then maybe even more if rumors of deal sourcing turn out to be true. Sure. Samson manufactured the lead panels using its process, but it did soda apples order specifications, calling them Samsung displays, regardless of how clever that make. Some people feel is like calling the eleven or twelve bionic at MC chipset or the iphone self, a FOX confident regardless of who makes it apple designed and implemented it. Apple fit it to the curves of the new casing, apple engineer, the silicon to drive it. Apple developed the anti alias and color shift and burn. Mitigations and apple has each one individually calibrated at the factory. Apple, even folded back on itself could get rid of the chin at the bottom of the phone. Something that a year later, almost no other vendors been able to afford or engineer good sourcing is definitely a requirement, but it's far from the only one old on the iphone is something everyone from the platform technology to industrial design to display teams deserve a ton of credit for or if you hate the way it turned out. Out. Absolutely. All of the blame their rent over. I don't tennis retains almost the same size and shape. As I phone ten, the differences are mainly around the camera housing, and it's only a millimeter or so my old apple iphone, ten leather case fits fine on my iphone tennis. I have no problem using it, but as always your mileage may vary, the speakers are better on iphone tennis and I phoned tennis max as well. No Dobie atmos- because physics, but they are wide stereo. I'm the opposite of an audio file. So I phoned speakers have sounded fine to me for years now to hate me, but people with much better ears than mine. Tell me that these sound even better. I do notice the better separation from both channels and movies can clearly hear monster trucks in Quin gets zooming from one side to the others, even as dialogue somehow manage to stay. Irreligious entered like I had pro if you spend your iphone one hundred eighty degrees while watching audio will spend with it that keeps the left channel on the left the right channel on the right if you spend portrait orientation. All bets are off though, and everything just sounds. Centered in judgy because portrait still nothing to everyone. Call quality has been a mixed bag for me, but I need to swap some SIMS around and find out what's roaming and what's actually happening. The bottom of the iphone is now a symmetrical across the x. axis that access is still fine. But apple had to add an extra antenna to the top and bottom to four by four, multi multi out my mo-. And that came at the cost of matching grills. Yes, can't unsee it and I'm guessing mix Johnny. I twitch just thinking about it, but it doubles the effective ways. The iphone ten can lock onto and keep carrier signal. So I guess we'll just have to put up with it for a while. Drowning are Soro's gigabit LT licenses to access LA which is carrier aggregated, unlicensed spectrum at five gigahertz. And you'll sim support now dual sim support shipping later this fall in most places. It'll use one sim and one built in Isam in China. It'll us to denims. It basically means that you can have two different numbers active on two different carriers at the same time and switch between them whenever you want or need to. If you're it works just fine with a paired apple watch. Though if you go out running without your iphone, you'll have to preselect which carrier you're gonna take out running with you, particularly and liquid ingress protection, basically dust and water resistance are even better now rising to six eight, which according to Apple's vendors that claims means iphone ten s gets dropped in the drink canal survive at up to two meters up to thirty minutes. Again, don't confuse this with swim proofing or diving or for making it safe to use an underwater camera. It's still so not. But if you spill your favorite beverage on it get caught in the rain splashed on or you knock into the bath tub or pool. Chances are very good that if you fish it out, clean it off and dry it out, it'll be just fine. It's really years post USB on books, and apple still hasn't included a USB cable in the box, not even a USB to USB adapter. In fact, three point five millimeter to lightning adapter, which apple included in the iphone seven. I phone eight an iphone. Ten boxes is gone now. So we're expected to have switched completely over to lightning for audio, but not to UC for data or charging. Apple has all the numb. To make the best choices for as existing customer base. But over serving that customer base is seldom the wrong decision. And usually the type of decision we expect from apple, how much does it cost a chair for an edge or make one of those multi-layer depth e finishes on an iphone. Apple spends a fortune to every conceivable design detail on the phone themselves, but then don't continue that commitment through to the accessory experience. It's also weird that apple is still including a five white USB charger in the box. Sure. Technically, wired insulin is the best way to charge your iphone. But for most people, most of the time that tiny fraction of battery life, you lose charging fast and hot, especially in the age of aggressive charge. Management simply isn't worth the loss of convenience inside. There's a new tighter coil that makes the inductive charging more efficient. It doesn't draw any additional power. It uses the same power better. Apple also says, a new design won't be as fussy about where exactly place it on the inductive charging Pat. That's great. Going wireless quickly loses its appeal when you wake up next to a dead phone tip, just slightly off. Sweet spot in the middle of the night. Battery chemistry is still battery chemistry though, and it hasn't seen any significant technological improvements in a while. But apple keeps improving all the technology around the lithium ion to eat out as much as it possibly can. I phone is no exception. Apple says it gets slightly longer battery life than the ten. I've been using both side by side for the last week and largely under the most brutal conditions imaginable roaming AT and t. even though the battery on the tennis is a year newer and far less abused is still hang on impressively better enough that despite the radios burning up in a desperate attempt to keep a signal, I could almost make it through a day for the brief period of time that I was home. I aced today. No problem. I'll have to do a lot more test, especially with the bigger battery on the bigger iphone tennis max. But I'm hopeful that we're finally turning the corner from phones designed for light web browsing and mail reading to phones that can handle the constant screen GPS and data of our now, social and gaming focused lives. Iphone tennis biotic. Funny thing happened when apple. Ship the first sixty four bit ships at on mobile in the iphone five s it instantly catapulted to the head of the silicon packed and the platform technologies team hasn't slowed down since not with the fusion, high efficiency, high-performance cores iphone seven, not with the neural engine block in phone, ten and not with the second generation bionic iphone tennis, and I phone tennis max. I've already explained a ton about why and how apple is winning mobile so looking. But here's the t. l. d. r. pop culture terms. If the old bionic was a six million dollar man, the new by onic is iron man post extremist edition, and that keeps happening in different, but important ways generation after generation. It's seven nanometer. Now processes have become more marketing terms than absolute measures, but this is the first commercial chip ship at that tiny, tiny scale like forget, man shot a narrow depth of field, tiny and knocking on the door of quantum realm. Tiny, tiny basically means apple compact, even more transistors into an even smaller die because performance is inextricably linked to officiency seven nanometer. Proves both. The was still six fusion system with two high-performance cores and four high efficiency cores that can all be used together to really rock your socks off if and when they need to. But those performance courts are now up to fifteen percent faster and forty percent more energy, efficient, those officiency courts up to fifty percent more efficient in an industry where the explosive growth of mobile processing power has seemed like a hockey stick for years. Those numbers might seem a little more modest like drumsticks, but year after year, the gains are still adding up apples. Custom performance controller is still the secret sauce here. It's what coordinates all the tasks across and to all the cores for the apple second fully custom designed. The number of course has gone up from three to four tesla and multi-layer rendering, and loss memory compression have been folded into along with metal to support, and that gives a fifty percent bump over last year's basically games, video, editing, photo, filters, and all other graphically intensive tasks may be more intensive than ever, but they don't feel that way. The biggest news is the neural engine. Is skyrocketed from two cores to Acores with multi precision support capable of five trillion calculations a second, and that makes it able to accelerate Apple's core machine learning frameworks up to nine times nine times out of ten percent. The power of last year. It's also got smart compute, decide on the fly, whether any given task is better off being run on the CPU GP or neural engine. I call it ridiculous. But in the time it takes me to type that by unequipped performed fifteen trillion calculations and come up with six one, six better words for it. And a second plan to beat Donald's. The neural engine core recognizes frequent patterns tries to proactively predict behavior and learns what you do. We can help you do it faster and more easily like Jarvis so much faster. This year's it can do a lot of machine learning tasks in real time that lets you spin up a our experiences and map out the staging service in a way that feels toz ity snappy. It also helps with photo searches applying. Intelligent filtering in apps and more face ID, biometric authentication benefits not only from the more advanced in your engine, but faster algorithms and faster secure Clave as well. Previously when it worked face ID was so seamless. It felt almost as though it was passive now it feels almost as though it's not even their combined with twelve swipe to retry. I can't even remember the last time I had to enter a passcode or password. The neural engine also works with the new image signal processor to make taking an editing pictures and video better than ever then include not only moving portrait mode from custom, but consistent this blur effect to what's basically a full on computational lens model that ingests and understands what's in a scene and then applies dynamic effect that distorts as it gets further from center or layers encounters different light sources that are overlapping. It's like moving from static photo filter to dynamic three d. render in real time. And it gives both. I phone cameras, Fronton back a real character because of that you can even change the. Depth affect currently in post later this year live, you can literally step it from f one point, four to sixteen and watch as the computational lens model recalculates steps with you. It's not the same as tooting with dedicated camera and big hunk of glass, but it's so good you'll be wanting to reach for that camera and that glass far less often. And that seems to be the driving goal of apples and euro engine teams. There's a bunch of other stuff in twelve as well, including HEC encoders and decoders to speed up four k. HD are an audio subsystem. There's even a new fast storage controller that can address up to five hundred gigabytes of solid state chips. So Yup, in addition to the affirmation four gigabytes of memory, iphone ten s can come with up to five hundred twelve gigabytes of storage now as well. Half terabyte avionic is so important. It's what makes phone tennis and I phone tennis max. What they are. Gold is great. New cameras are always better, but it's the silicon that currently makes apple unmatchable iphone tennis camera. If it feels like. Already covered a lot of the cameras stuff in the silicon section. That's just the reality of modern computational photography. It's the bits that led us transcend the atoms the artificial intelligence that propels us beyond the physics. You get the idea what I like about apple though is that it's not so reliant on the computational stuff that forget about the photography there, a single camera systems without the benefits of apples, true depth, but with really good glass and algorithms behind them that can segmentation mask and display the hell out of photos so much so many people prefer them to systems like apples that via dual cameras or projectors managed to capture real depth data to combine this ignition masking. I like having both because as I think will become clear over a short period of time. Real depth sensing isn't just a one portrait mode trick pony. The new deal camera system on the back has the same telephoto capabilities as last year. The white angle though has a new sensor with both bigger and deeper pixels bigger pixels drinking, more light before better in the dark deeper pixels prevent cross talk to make for a clear. Image. The amount of focus pixels has also been double to offer is now twice as fast, so fast, you almost forget you can change the focus if you need to because you so seldom metoo the true tone flash not to be confused with the true tone display because those terms confusing now has advanced flicker detection. So even if you have to resort to the flash, you still maintain better white balance and color accuracy. The true camera on the front also has a new sensor that's twice as fast for blisteringly-quick southeast on both the back camera system and the true depth. In addition to all the fancy stuff apples ISP has been doing for years in combination with a new network. It's now fast and intelligent enough to do what apple is calling smart HDR. Once the camera is open, it starts buffering. So there's zero shutter lag. When you go to take the photo that's not new, that can buffer four frames. Now, in order to better isolate and capture motion is new. At the same time, it's also capturing underexposed versions of each frame to preserve highlight details. And once you take the shot, it's capturing a long exposure as well. So you can even greater details from the. Shadows. The smart smart HDR then take over figure out the best pixels from each frame and produce a single idealized photo. Now, of course, none of that is absolutely new. Google been sucking photos up to the cloud and auto awesome them for years, but this is all being done locally on the twelve bionic. So you can rest easy. Knowing yourself aren't being used to any other companies military dron recognition program, or law enforcement surveillance video. I kid, but not really. It's terrifying and cheap services aren't gonna keep Sarah Connor alive when and if the t- two million already knows what she looks like and where she is the difference is most noticeable when you're shooting dark subjects on bright background, like face against the sun high contrast shots like someone's sipping coffee with the morning sky out the window behind them, those twilight moments when you wish your camera could capture what your eyes and your heart see and those high impact action shots athletes, or your pets, or kids just won't stop. Moving video should benefit as well. Apple showed some demo footage that look like something out of a Steven Spielberg movie only better. I'll shadows and light trails and fog in forest, and even then you could clearly see the color from around the high contrast more than previously possible. I haven't. I chance to try to shoot that yet, but I'm looking forward to it and that's been the story of iphone Pataki going on years. Now, the new camera only ever has one job to capture photos in videos at the previous camera simply never could iphone tennis conclusion. Eleven years ago. Apple launched the original iphone and kicked off a decade of modern mobile revolution. Last year, apple orange, the iphone ten intent on kicking off another decade. The former Rhode, the convergence of ubiquitous, sell your networking, multi touch interface and miniaturization to become the most successful product in the history of successful products as effectively limitless broadband augmented reality and artificial intelligence from silicon software. Now begin to converge the ladder is trying to do the same and Apple's next up towards that future, is this year's iphone tennis? Yes. It's an s. year again, after taking a break naming last year. Sean song to Basil's and home buttons the iphone eight instead of the iphone seven s apple is back to its number or a guess numeral in this case, number numeral plus s convention for some that s has come to a minor insignificant, even boring ration- on the previous year's hardware for others that s represents a polish perfection and boost in performance that makes this year's hardware. The one to get. If you look back at the history of speed boost, Siri touch ID, three, d. touch and inductive charging. It's pretty clear that when the casing becomes known commodity, the various platform teams from chipsets to cameras can really hit those internal upgrades hard. And that's absolutely the case with tennis, which gains the world's first seven nanometer processor with eight twelve bionic faster face ID, wider stereo speakers gigabit LT deal sim, smart HD are adjustable background blur stereo video recording. I six eight water resistance, a new gold finish and an all new six point, five inch, MAC model. But again, I'm going to keep harping on this. It is really about the twelve. Donning and his new neural engine. If you're interested in that, then checkout, brilliant problem solving website that teaches you about everything from algorithms to neural networks. Instead of passively listening to podcasts or lectures, you get to master concepts by solving fun and challenging problems and brilliant provides the tools and the frameworks you need to tackle those challenges. Brilliant thought provoking content based around breaking up complexities into bite size. Understandable. Chunks will lead you from curiosity to mastery. So what are you waiting for? Checkout, brilliant dot, org slash vector. Thanks, brilliant. Unlike last year, apple, positively, strut it out. I phone ten on state, and hey, if I was twenty seventeen Tim cook, and I somehow managed to snatch twenty eighteen demagogues iphone and launch at early, I stuttered as well. This year the company was far more careful, a new iphone ten, not an all new iphone. In other words, apple never position the iphone tennis, or I phone tennis max is revolutionary. Given how much technology apple pulled forward into. I phone last year, there was simply no way. Could. Have through engineering or marketing. What apple did do was quickly and carefully position it not as what's all new, but as what inevitably comes next, I don't think apple intense iphone ten owners to rush out an upgrade iphone tennis industry. Insiders tech enthusiasts, and those on yearly update programs will, of course do just that. But I think apple intends those new models to appeal to those who didn't yet make the leap to an all new iphone. Those who always avoid Revie boards or who stuck with Android or with the home button or who were simply waiting on a bigger screen. And I think for them, I tennis or I found tennis max are exactly the new phones they've been waiting for. Now I want to know what you think which phone or Android phone do you have now? Are you planning on getting to the iphone tennis or. I phoned tennis max. Are you planning on waiting for the iphone ten are if you're planning on upgrading, let me know to what, and if you're not planning, updating, let me know why like subscribed and then hit the comments below. Thank you so much for watching.

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Will Apple Cancel WWDC, Rumored 14.1-inch MacBook Pro, and the Future of Apple Services

AppleInsider Podcast

38:00 min | 1 year ago

Will Apple Cancel WWDC, Rumored 14.1-inch MacBook Pro, and the Future of Apple Services

"Low and welcome to the apple insider. Podcast this is your host Stephen Robe. Liz and I'm here with William Gallagher editor at Apple CIDER. Thanks so much for joining me. William. Oh thank you. And congratulations on the show. I think it's really going well. Thank you appreciate it and It's great to have you just appreciate your your wisdom and insight here on the podcast. Calcutta live up to that. So looking at the news this past week you know a lot of the biggest headlines just all over the news is obviously the corona virus. And how it's affecting. Everything industry's economies around the world. And some of the most interesting parts especially relates to tech is the multiple developer conferences that have now been called off and are going either all digital or much smaller as just to give you a rundown listener if you're not aware of some of these that cancelled a Adobe Summit Mobile World Congress and the Twenty Twenty Game Developers Conference. Those have all been canceled as far as any kind of in person or live conference in the going digital. And just this week Google I o also cancelled their developer's conference and Google had this statement quote out of an abundance of caution for the health and safety of our customers partners and employees and in alignment with the best practices laid out by the CDC WHO and other relevant entities regarding the corona virus. Google cloud has decided to re imagined. Google Cloud next twenty the company said. And so what they'll be doing is offering keynotes breakout sessions and some digital learning sessions online. But there'll be nothing in person and also facebook canceled their F. Eight conference so the big question is will apple. Make the call. Will they cancel ww DC this year? So I'd love to hear your thoughts on this William and and just my quick take unless something drastically changes in the next week or two. I have to imagine they change at least the format Apple Park do it in the Steve. Jobs theatre maybe for local press. Only maybe even apple employs only and they do the live stream and they do all the sessions online. They do not have the big conference. What do you how do you? What do you think they're going to be doing? William covers it really I you can tell them a writer concern of phrases. I didn't know that Google coach you just said but then I advocate abundance of caution. I've heard those specific words said several times of is there some sort of corporates rulebook that they have to say it in a certain way to protect them so I'm curious but big apple says it too but yes that's Apple Park? Yes we've forget. I think maybe I just make that W WDC isn't just those two hours of Tim. Cook in Good Morning Kamala. She and you can see very easily how they would handle the keynotes that exactly. What you said could even have apple employees to make crowded as ever look visually the same to the world but the rest of the week will not be the same. If they have to cancel thing that will have knock on effects? Seasonal will my thought about is in London Book. Just got counselors shortly before we start talking as well sorts of events everywhere getting and I worry about. Most of them London Book Fair. It's big but it's not. Giants Mobile. Comference is a little delicate when they've been gone for one year. How are they going to be able to come back? I apple will easily but some of these others may find that businesses. Don't need them as much as they thought. This could go on for years this right and there's been a couple of other pieces of news. One apple restricted some employees travel to South Korea and Italy and so they are starting to tighten down on where their employees are going. Also that's some stores in Italy have had to temporarily close due to some of the Italian closures and the President of the Council of Ministers issued a decree last week and so there's some closures they're out of control but on the flip side. Foxconn just on Tuesday this week and you actually wrote this article on the website that they plan to resume normal production By the end of the month and I find that I don't know if it's optimistic. Or Yeah just extremely confident. But with the increasing cases around the world that seemed maybe a little premature or even to announce but Tim Cook also said recently that he felt China had it under control. I optimistic is the right word for this evening. His writing is very little detail. They weren't give any numbers they wouldn't even say which plants wrote me. Just let you assume it was all of them and hopefully it is but then yes they have the one figure that is they have seasonal workers and a half of the number. They would normally have have come back to work now. I don't know how it got or high. Father got to go to reach levels. They would be at at the end of the month. I mean fifty percents of what they would have now may not be the same as fifty percent of what they need at. The end of this month is other things ramp up so I d say Nice things but you kind of want to see how it pans before we can really fail whether or not things are coming back to normal the toll there was also some talk of. Maybe apple will postpone. Wdc for later in the summer. But I find that. That'd be extremely difficult. You know because as soon as W as soon as the first keynote happens at the WDC conference they released the Betas to developers of I o s MAC OS TV os watch os and to postpone. Wdc would push all those timelines a back and that means even the release of maybe I was fourteen and then whatever plans they have for the hardware coming out in the fall that coincide with those offer updates would also be pushed. I can't imagine that they would postpone the entire conference. As a whole as you're saying all the way through a sinking the achievement. But I did that could work. And then when you say about the hardware soon as you hit the hardware. Of course. The next set of iphones are going to need. Iowa's struck there where we were fourteen. Fourteen teams playing. Kit will need thirty one. That went difficult. Radames isn't it ironically? Perhaps nor sure the crucial the word irony but again. Fourteen got to be ready. We've seen what happens when it isn't when the iphone eleven eleven pro came out and thirty MS and not really finish directly. We saw the problem so fourteen at being delayed. Rewrite would push back hardware. And that's I said soft name so impressed with any company Apple. Some sort of all of them that can physically make a device an every year. Make something this complicated. There involves parts from all over the world and it's all going to be timed with precision every single year. You can see how one massive thing is going to be a huge derailments You don't think apple could possibly decide to bump the iphone into next year. I find that would be the least likely thing to happen all except that she wasn't there a rumor recently that there might be two iphone nauseous. A September one with I get mixed up in the different flavors of five Jay but the week version of five G. in September and then the problem. You'll want the fast em wave. Warm December January. I don't know how strong that rumor was. I haven't since but if apple's planning released more well and they're supposedly planning to release the iphone. Se Two or maybe the iphone nine. Whatever they call that in the next couple of months again how the supply chain has been constrained with corona virus. Maybe that'd be delayed into the summer but I can't imagine them not releasing any version of an iphone in the fall. I mean that would be of of all the kinds of impacts to their bottom line. You know you'll production delays and you know divisive being out of stock for a few weeks is one thing but to not have the device that so much of the profit comes from I. I can't imagine they delay that and so that that's why I think if anything happens to. Wdc It's going to be worse case scenario livestream of the keynotes. I can't imagine they would do it without a live audience. You know without Live applause. I feel like a Annapolis Keno would not have the same feeling and so I think at at the very least only apple employees. Maybe some very select press that they somehow check beforehand But I think a livestream is going to be the least we get but I can't imagine that they do nothing. And you know with the rumor of arm Max and you know after talking with Andrew. Last week that would have to be a transition that may be even allude to at least this that we. Wdc I have to imagine again. That's something will be said at this keynote. And so I at least a livestream. In my opinion another all the developer sessions of filmed and after I conference weeks or months. But you get to see or if you have a developer account you can see all videos. I could conceive those being streamed to develop his own just released faster than normal but then still the hands on sessions develops working with apple engineers. Especially you're on something as big as you want somebody in the room you can go to this fascinating. I was actually due to be in China in. May I thought the big problem was? My holiday was cancelled and I think the bigger ramifications. Yeah absolutely and and actually here in the states. I'm actually in Florida and we now have three cases of corona virus. There's been multiple cases in New York and several deaths in Washington state and so does not You know affecting just one country or even one state. It is a kind of everywhere. Actually Florida's declared a state of emergency at the beginning of the week after the cases came out so so we'll see you know we're following. Listen Wash hands. Everyone often you know is the wisdom to do now in you know covering your mouth and just taking the necessary precautions not to being alarmist of course but you know these companies are saying an abundance of caution is not Out of the question. Because you're in Florida. I'm in the U. K. On quite close to Stratford and they will shakespeare theater there and a friend who works there has been a circulating. Is a graphic that looks like a typical health thing of showing how you rub your hands? When you're washing but each caption is is of course from Macbeth of outstand spot. Oh it's really well done. So and that's it. You know it's so interesting on social media you have the the far opposite size where you have these memes and gifts kind of making the jokes about the entire situation and then you have the you know the genuine fear and I think for everyone. It's just good to be in the middle you know. Enjoy The memes take the cautions but Not to be an alarm just yet. Well let's move on to some of the rumors that came out this week. Mingji quo had some other rumours specifically about a new fourteen point one inch macbook pro that would be releasing soon presumably with the new style keyboard as the updates that this sixteen inch saw recently. Also an I mac pro and Mac mini coming this year. What if any MAC book pro? Do you prefer William. Do you like the larger size smaller size any of these interest you longtime ago. I had a seventeen inch. Papa because my only machine. I LOVE ENOUGH STILL. Got It in the office somewhere. A daddy movable. Maybe I'm just weak a large machine. I do remember thinking went before the the sixty inch map route. Kramer d thirteen inch. One was like the go-to machine if somebody asks you what to buy. And they didn't already know they need a lot of power or the hadn't said. That budget was fine. That was the one that was the best machine for the best price for most people and then the sixteen came out. And obviously that's a lot more money but those the promise of the new keyboard and I think I think the cable problems have been very hydrated and I think we're still too soon to know whether the sixteen new cable has really fixed it all but still I would hesitate over thirteen each one thinking that apple was likely to bring at now so I knew cable. It's at biggest green in the same. Very nearly the same chassis size and probably the same price. The one stuff to is the fourteen point one inch macbook pro push comes in blue. It's been a long time since apple did anything besides aluminum. Yes you know. I remember back to the Black. Thirteen inch macbook. A unique look gorgeous. Yeah Yeah I know. Some people always love to hope. They hope for colors. You know when apple releases new product. So we'll see. Yeah but that fourteen point one definitely looks like it would be attractive and they also. The rumor is that there'll be a new screen. Technology may be premiering in this fourteen inch and then moving through the line. Maybe even a refreshed sixteen inch not even a year into it being released. But at that a move to a mini led screen technology and will be a miniaturization of like back lighting. And just be a better screen technology overall that it might come across the line of Amax macbook pros and even all the way down to ipads so be curious to see how that turns out. I actually just recently got a sixteen inch. Macbook pro a one of the newer models and so it would be a little frustrating if update the display in the next couple of months. But we'll have to see I mean they're displays are gorgeous right now so actually see how much benefit it brings. But the I mac pro to you know it's been a so at least a year and a half to two years between the the last I mac. Pro Model was refreshed. And so that definitely would be good to see a refresh and the MAC mini. That's actually a really flexible machine and I use it in several cases at work so I'd be curious to see about that. I was just say that was the best Mac ever made. I think especially the twenty seven inch model the screen. I think it is the perfect Mac and I swapped the twenty twelve. I'm activity twenty eighteen. Mac Mini and I. I miss my aunt was pre retina and I still miss that monitor. Compared to the half nap I want Mac book and I Max. Oh let's let's Swap at Acts Right. And there's also a rumor that there's a twelve point nine inch ipad pro coming with the mini led screen but maybe not a smaller size ipad pro and again the the rooms are unclear here so just state. I use the eleven inch ipad pro and I would really hope they keep that smaller sized probe. Because I've I've asked a preferred using the larger laptop like having the smaller size ipad for portability and and use cases. So hopefully they'll keep that eleven inch but we'll see this mini led comes to the twelve hundred. Maybe possible to a point nine inch IPAD pro soon. Do you have an IPAD that you enjoy prefer? Oh Yes for quite a while had an IPAD air and the original top nine IPAD and it was great I would work on one of the other and then my mom wanted tonight. Pets loaned her my IPAD air. I Selassie sewer. That one right. I still love the twelve point nine. I think especially something like Omni Focus that. Do you feel like your hands in the APP. It is great except my ipad is now just old enough that it's starting to go wrong. There are small parts of the screen that no longer accepted touch I have to rotate the ipads to top the corner of things so yeah clearly. I need a new IPAD. Newark new macrey. That's what I spit. Yes justification however comes. There was also this rumor. That apple might release a new smart keyboard with a track pad and this is something where in IOS or ipad Os now. Thirteen apple released the accessibility option of using mice with an IPAD. And it's a little Janke you know. It's not really made for it. But they allow you to do it but I thought this was interesting and you follow Frederico. The and those guys over Mac stories. They're all about you. Know I pad lifestyle ipad for everything and so this would be a curious. Move to really lean into that and actually include a track pad with an ipad smart keyboard. I'm not sure if I would have use of that but Curious change at. How'd you have any thoughts about that? I just I don't want to. I mean does. That's great but an ipad as night pat. I they all in on the IPAD. I'm fine with that. I just don't need it to be a Mac and the ipad on the mcnabb and I'm very fine with them being totally different and as interoperable as they are. I just I have never tried to find a track pad when a museum I pod. I have occasionally tried to touch the screen on my Mac out of habit from anything I don't think. Ios built for it. I think it's great. That apple has included the accessibility option for but I think they did that. Literally for the accessibility options. And the fact that has been used by other people as well It's it's clunky to be a deliberate policy for everybody. So maybe if they fix it also fixed my mind change my idea about its but right now. I don't find it and this is not a compelling purchased for me right I even as an IPAD fan but I would say with all these rumors you know if you're looking at buying new apple laptop or desktop definitely. Wait for sure. Hold off as long as you can with all. These rumor changes coming out in the next month or two or the rumors of the March apple event. You know who knows the fate of that with Colonel Virus? They might just do all the press. You know the press release launches and put all the products out there without any kind of event but I would certainly hold off. You know iphone Apple Watch. We know those are in the fall but an IPAD MAC. I'm Mac I MAC pro definitely hold as you can because there might be some updates coming to those very soon you've probably heard of tons of VPN providers out there. And I've used several of them myself but I would like to tell you today about my favorite. Vpn Service one that I've been using for months now and it's xpress VPN. 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You talked about Apple Services and this editorial came out over last weekend and it was kind of just speculating on where apple is now services and where they're going and so maybe you can just give some bullet points about your feelings about where they will be going in the near future. The kickoff for the original impetus was a realization. That twenty nine thousand nine was the year of services for apple beforehand. They were hardly company. That did some services now. It's it's as close to being a service company that does hardware suddenly changed on in reflection on reflection. I'm surprised they launched everything in one go for Mongo across one year and we were just in what could possibly come next. I got off until sorts of things thinking about this. How do you actually define a service because you can imagine apple doing more health things but his health service not sure they've covered everything new traditionally think of that kind of covered except actually might wordly and apple inside pointed out? We know there's a car coming that you just cannot be accompanied company coming after all of the a regulatory filings as what has rooms What could apple us on top of that other than just a car to sell people and Transport Services ridesharing and that seems like it really fits in with Apple. Ethos as well. I mean they already have Apple buses driverless than anything like that but their roots for stuff like many big corporations to they encourage public transport privately owned public transport and I mean it feels like a clear extension that would require the car and an APP and if anybody can do an APP for the Apple. Car Oven Gets Apple. That one I think is coming. I'm just really curious. No what else. What's left where there are no more worlds to conquer for apple really except fashion right and we'll have to see you know apple. Tv again this being just the first month's really ends Apple. Tv remains to be seen if they can conquer that you know. Obviously they had some critical acclaim In the morning show and stuff like that but definitely remains to be seen. How their future goes the amazing stories coming out soon? We'll see about that. I honestly would hope they get back to some of the basics of services and helping a family member set up a new iphone eleven. They just got it and they had not been playing for. I cloud storage up to this point and I had forgotten how little I cloud storage you get for free with your. I cloud account. I believe it is five gigabytes says right is the free storage in you. And that's something where apple has made such an effort to put everything in the cloud. You know everything for messages your photo library and it's great. If you choose to pay I spring for the two terabytes and I shared across a family and it's great because all my devices are backed up and photos are backed up but for someone who is not technically inclined. They're still confusion as to. What does the storage on my phone as opposed to the cloud storage? And when I get a message saying your phone is full you know if I I find the average user still not sure how to differentiate between is my physical phone storage unable to take a photo or as Li- cloud storage not full. So I would love to see them. Continue to refine these services and also maybe give some cloud storage arrays that free tier So at least people can back up devices going forward. That could stop by finally bringing out. I kind of shared folders that. They've been promising since. Irs Thirteen and Catalina. That was a kicker for me because I draw books and I clouds I would like to use just one half to share folders with different people I work with. Yes so are you trucks a lot and that she say that about your aunt technically minded. I get thrown by my clock because I have unfortunately many many apple. Id's and find one machine not backing up to. They're not I lose track of what's where turbo. So yes more pace. Please make it easier to us and let us combine apply days. That's all yes. All those would be helpful services now. I do have an apple card which you touch on the article and I have found Several Times that I've used it that services great You know managing your car from the phone. I feel like they handled that really well. It's useful the cashback when you purchase apple products is great and so you know Kudos to them for that rollout. I was curious. Do you are have you tried Apple News plus the subscription service. Yes because I multiple autism. One of them's American. Aichi tried to trial when it first started in the state socket writes about it for apple insider and I liked it a lot on that particular kind of not able to subscribe to anything else on add funds to it so I had to lapse it after the trial waited to the came here and I so enjoyed the American one immediately signed up for it and I found that very many different titles but I felt a little lacking here and then the I paid for the first one I actually went on I three months but I realized after bit I just wasn't using the plus side as much as I've been using the free side while waiting for plus so I cancelled the plus thing and itouch decimated my serve news now because it hasn't accepted the fact that I no longer have the subscription it keeps recommending things over and over. Most of my feet is stuff that I cannot read that paying and it used to be that I could read so much. I I'd like a reset button somewhere place. But it's put me off internal one thing we thought in the services thing is ever more likely it seems that I will someday do a one price. Subscription that covers half music capital TV on all of these things and I would actually very much liked them to do that impact because I would take it on to get Apple News. Plus back is not good enough to make me sign up on. Its own when I want to spend on other services. If it's part of something I'd be very keen to get better. What do you think? Are you a regular? I know. I tried the free trial and didn't find that brought a ton of value and then when I cancelled it or else they'll go into the news APP just to see what's in the news and and now I find a little bit of frustration because some articles are apple news plus only. But there's no distinguishing marks when you're scrolling in the main news APP so sometimes you can click on our article and read it fully and other times they say you know. Subscribe to read this in something else. Sometimes it's subscribe to the Wall Street Journal to finish reading this article. And so I you know I don't know if there could be an easier like hey here are the free articles or the non paywall articles. And here's Apple News. Plus like here's what you would get if you subscribe again. So that part is a little frustrating. But I don't have a desire to resubscribe to that specifically but I definitely would like you were saying if there was an all in one encompassing subscription. I already pay for cloud I would pay for Apple. Tv plus If I didn't have the free trial which we all have it for a year probably most of us at least who's bought a piece of apple hardware so we'll see how that goes after the free trial but I would do that all in one subscription For sure I found it interesting. You mentioned in your article about the exclusive PODCASTS IDEA. Yes and now. This is something that many services are doing now. Spotify has exclusive podcasts. Luminary I came out with their APP and they have exclusive shows and so this is very interesting not something that apple has ever done before but if they were to have exclusive shows. I think that'd be very interesting but also would they then released an apple podcast APP for android and encourage other users to subscribe you know encourage android users to subscribe to Apple podcasts service. You know they do have this for apple music. You can get the apple music APP on an android device and subscribe there. So I'd be curious And Apple TV. Plus also you can get on smart. Tv's without an apple device. I'd be curious if they open up the apple podcasts APP as an apt across platforms for people to have access to those exclusive podcasts. What do you? What do you think about that? Whole exclusive podcast idea. I Cheat Forgot. That apple music was an android. Of course it is and wouldn't it be I just? I don't like the idea of apple. The founded podcast right. I mean it didn't but it made it easier. Things happily popularized operated the name. Even that they are old podcasts. Everywhere is great the others coming in and offering podcast developers more information useful services. Fine is a podcast creator. I just locking me out of what used to be. It feels like it diminishes Apple podcasts. Rather than creating an exclusivity it's reducing them to the states of all the others vying for my attention instead of letting me around. Yeah and I'll be honest. I actually agree. I don't like the idea of exclusive podcast. You know. I think podcasts being supported either by sponsors or directly from Listeners Alla Patria and and maybe you get bonus content from shows because you support them on Patriots or some other service. I find those models much more conducive to a free world of podcasting where it is open. And then there's not custom standards you know. Because that's one of the big things. And the PODCAST. World is companies like luminary on spotify can then do deny dynamic ad insertion to their podcasts. Meaning you know as you're listening to the PODCAST. In the spotify APP the ad the ad read may change from one week to the next and would allow both sponsors and podcast producers to keep even old episodes up to date with advertising and so I see the benefit there would obviously be more tracking and analytics. Because that's one of the things that have been historically difficult with. Podcast is getting good data. You know our people skipping the ads or not are people listening all the way through window. Stop listening the date is not really available of readily and so you know this whole world of dynamic ad insertion and podcast locked into a specific APP. It leads to that which there's some benefit but I'm still on the side of leave podcasts. Open leave it on open standards. And let's not start the walled gardens of podcast. Because still I just love the form and the whole medium and Sola anything that will not close it down. Let's seek those seek to keep an open. I've said she trained in BBC radio for his radio in the UK is very different in the states. speech things you hear on good podcast now sort of things. We get all the time on busy radio for particular and that model is so good so compelling and my compliment I would give it. Podcast is that it's good enough to go and BBC radio and there are so many that are is this new. It's a return to form. I know very well but done some broader in so many more topics. And I don't like the chipping away at that. Yes I agree. Well get some quick articles in here at the end. There was a article here about An iphone that Disney returned to its owner two months after the owner had lost. It spent two months underwater and it was mailed back to the owner fully functional fully functional after that long of being underwater. I just thought this was an impressive point of information for the newest iphones and their water. Proofing so or not waterproofing. Excuse me water resistance to the IP sixty eight so yeah. I thought that was a pretty incredible. That's wonderful I ca. I confess I did one. Start my iphone down a restroom and it survived mostly I'm sorry I'm very pleased. My found eleven pro is water resistant. I am never going to test it. So a story like this because there are pitches on their their intake and before in the families and I got them. I mean great well-done Apple. I mean seriously. Welcome apple but also on Disney having scuba divers fat absolutely and maybe the days of Putting your phone in bags of rice will be passed us. That's what I did exactly that right. Yeah convince that help but you do it. That's it. Another quick article apple unveiled. Its best shot on iphone night mode photos. They released periodically. You know best shot on iphone and this one was particularly for night mode shots and as always it's just incredible images that people manage to get out of the iphone of some great scenes of snow landscapes at night and these little towns at night so just a wonderful pictures encourage you to check it out and show notes and see some of these photos and try some yourself if you have not used night mode it's It's always impressive. Whenever I remember to use it and use it. Well Yeah just. After it got my phone went to an event and it was a gorgeous chateau place a garbage can credibly late at night. And as I'm walking into this brightly lit S- Beautiful converted monastery even attend around a shot of the cop behind me. Help me find the car. And then I looked on the screen and it was like broad daylight saving all these trees. You could not see with the naked eye filling the frame. I walked straight path. Something Spooky but nowhere near as good a photograph as versus say right right well but definitely. It's awesome amazing photos that people get out of the IPHONE and finally I wanted to on this Laurine Powell jobs Did a interview recently. And you know it's always interesting to kind of get some insights into jobs life. I've read several of the biographies. And you know it's always interesting to over around Steve Jobs and how he worked. You know what's incredible? I don't know if you do this to but sometimes I go back and watch some of the old videos of Steve. Jobs TALKING ABOUT WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY IN THE LATE EIGHTIES. And and just the incredible finger on the pulse that he had of what things would be even ten twenty years in the future. This is the one the burgers fries chats when he comes back just to developers and they basically brutally letting them down about doc and things. I talk about this. It's nice speech of Hamdan if I backed up in the last few years numb and he talks about why and he's describing Daniel Ninety six ninety seven things that a lot of us don't have yet for it at but he knew we all would and it's really impressive guy. Wouldn't like to have been married to him. I think he was a very impressive. Absolutely and you know watching that original iphone keynote from two thousand seven is it's just a master class in communication. How to give a keynote in marketing? And so you know if you have not seen that in a while it's always fun to pull it up and just watch him work. He was always impressive. Yeah so check out the article in show notes and you can find links to the full interview in the New York Times with Lauren pal jobs. But William thanks so much for joining me this week we'll have you on again soon and if people want to contact you or tweet at you. How can they do that off? Please stay on mantras W gallagher and email is William Atop Lands Hyder. Don't come wonderful. And you can tweet at me at Stephen Rowe blaze or email me. Steve AT APPLE INSIDER DOT COM all our contact info and links to all the articles. We talked about today are in the show notes. Encourage you to check those out. You can even click the chapter artwork as you. Listen to the show and that will take you to the links that we're talking about as you hear it and we'd love to hear your feedback on the show again tweet me malice or leave us. A review in Apple podcast. We appreciate your feedback as well. Thanks again for joining us. And we'll see next week.

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MBW 662: Elon's Magic Thinkin' Juice

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MBW 662: Elon's Magic Thinkin' Juice

"It's time for MAC, break weekly Rene, Andy glory, or he'll, and here we are going to celebrate because there is a brand new macro Rene will explain who it's four. And whether you should buy my fingers hovering over the buy button, the beautiful grand opening at apple park and the story of apple. And tesla looks like the almost bottom. It's all coming up next on that great weekly. Casts you love from people you trust. This is MAC break. Weekly episodes, six hundred sixty two recorded Tuesday may twenty-first twenty nineteen eighty Lonzo. Magic thinking juice. Back break weekly is brought to you by fresh books. The number one accounting software in the cloud for self employed professionals and their teams. Try it free for thirty days at fresh books dot com slash MAC break. And by molecule molecule is re imagining the future of clean air, starting with the air purifier for seventy five dollars off your first order, visit molecule dot com, and enter the promo code MAC break. And by express VPN. Protect your online privacy with one click. It's that easy for three extra months, free with a one year package. Go to express VPN dot com slash back break as diverse break weekly the show. We cover the latest news from apple. She's back from her jaunt to Disneyland Laurie Gill, managing editor of I'm more. How did you and mom, enjoy the big, d we had a wonderful time. We, it was very special is very mother's day. He we actually matching Disneyland dresses. And everything it was the picture. I want the pictures are they on your blog now? I haven't I haven't put them up. I should. But I don't know. I'm always bad at social media stuff. So. I want to dress. The happiest place on earth. It really was. It really was. I'm so glad we missed you. But I'm glad you had a great time with mom. That sounds like a much more important things to do than being. Title of Andy and nut cO from Boston public radio. W G B, H dot co dot com. Hello, Andrew hell lowly. Oh, when's the last time you were at Disneyland? I've never been to Disneyland because I, I would love to go. But there's that normal like, okay older. Older gentlemen, with no kids who's going to Disneyland. Older men go to Disneyland and nobody cares. It's. Yeah. And like they're you know, the fifties kind of, like brought these children into this Disney fold. And now those are all grandparents Drouin they still love Disneyland. Exactly. Disneyland started in nineteen fifty-six. I, I do want to get my picture taken with dark wing duck. god. That's, that's Rene Ritchie, who is stunned stunned by the option of dark wing. Duck picture. He's from. I'm more dot com vector the vector podcast. And he's in my hand so down with dark wing. That would be so awesome. Dark wing duck character one. Let's get you. Dangerous. I've, I've, I've just realized just this week or last week that I have been a fool because the new duck tales cartoon is really, really good, supposedly, at I should. Now be watching it. So, like, okay, did you get to the Star Wars galaxies edge? It does not open until may thirty first so the best, I was able to do was as I was distraught riding the train that goes around the entire park, I stuck by head up as tall as I could to see over the bushes and saw the, the spires of those rocks. Just just the top of things that was it. The spires of Mosley. We're taking four teenage boys. Lisa taking four teenage boys to Santa Monica. It's the stain Santa Monica Venice area at the end of June. We checked it's booked through the rest of the year. You can't even apparently like you're supposed to go in there for four hours. And if you overstay the- stormtroopers come up to you and try to. Beginning. No, reservations, yet quired such a Disney touch. Yes, we are. So let's just walk in. And even though there's no there's no official information that this is true. My assumption is that after June twenty-fourth are actually going to open that other ride that still hasn't opened yet. Okay. This is just a guest. There's no, I have no hidden secrets on that one. That's just based on the timeframe that they've got there. They originally said that start that the Star Wars galaxy such was open in mid June, and then they opened early as a soft opening. So my thought is that they probably have an official launch date for that other ride in and that will be open after June twenty fourth or June twenty third. I really do want to point out that Leo didn't ask you, if the attraction is open, he asked if you'd actually visited. If you if you, if you do a search on YouTube, there are people for whom the opening dates of Disney track are merely a guideline. Again, I was I was joking about pans venal, but if you looked at him it was a two weeks ago. He went to he went to Florida to interview Tim coat and then get an advance preview of the Star Wars ride. And I just I want to get his job. It does seem possible. These worrying the latest Nike's. He's got like LEGO sets that nobody's ever released and pappy van winkle and his backpack is just. Obviously, it's being a tech crunch reporter is more valuable than I ever knew. Cantina bar. Look at that. So great, keep the Lagos he can keep Tim cook. All I want is the preview of doesn't go being there without all while I want is an I at the should be actually, like, actual premium package, that for like one hundred thousand dollars or maybe even let's, let's put the metric one half the cost of like a commercial tourist spaceflight on virgin galactic, or whatever they will give you a twenty minute window in which you are the only civilian at the park because what I what I want to do is I, yes, I wanna visit the millennium falcon, but I want to be able to like close my eyes and open them and start pretending that. No, I'm not at Disneyland. I'm actually I'm actually here to steal it back because it's been stolen from my friend, Han solo who's been captured and who understands the mechanics of it, using interesting tweet from cable who is at panic software. Yeah. He's pointing out that and this is true of these new VR rides because. They can model this three D on a computer. They know exactly where your line of sight is, so they don't have to put rocks and things anywhere. But where people can see them. So as a result, when you see it from the air, it looks very weird and incomplete. But that's only because you know of the effect, the framing effect of the right itself. They only have to put rocks here and there, I the VR rides have gotten better and better. I was I, I did the and I'm gonna do it again. I hope this, you're the Harry Potter ride at universal cities, and that is a combination of a physical right at this. A lot of them do this now. The first one, the Simpsons was just you in a box that went like this. And then they had a movie it was, it was nauseatingly re realistic anyway. But they said, if you ever feel nauseous look outside to your right. You'll see your backpack to sit sitting there and it's like, oh, there's my purse, it's normal. I'm just in a thing going like this. But. Nowadays. And the start with that transformers ride. They do both. So you put on glasses in the case of the Harry Potter ride. You're putting on three D glasses. You're in something that's very similar to this chair. I'm in your in, if you ever did the, the haunted house ride at Disneyland or Disney World. You know, you're kind of in this conveyor belt in a chair. The chair is able to move in almost three hundred sixty degrees so you can really be thrown around, but you're flying and because the visual effects and the practical, there's lots of practical zero actual affects plus plus movie effects, plus the chair moving combined to give you a very realistic sense of flying on a broomstick. And I really loved. I did a two or three times it was so much fun. That's what I love about these modern theme park attractions that, when you look at it, you're almost looking at two hundred year old history of stage effects, where yes, the you're in a three D environment and there's motion, there's, there's motion control. Whatnot, but they're still Pepper's ghost and Luzon's. There's still the old trick of, we're gonna make it looks like a plaster bust. But the face is actually three is actually a con cave and sort of convex so that it seems the ad seems to turn. It's just brilliant stuff. I can't I can't get enough of every time there's an article about how these things work. It's just I'm I'm done for the next hour. Here's Pandora from above and again, it, you know, it looks very realistic in the parts that are real. It's really I think it's I can't wait. I'm I'm looking for it. So now I'm glad to know I can wander in perhaps, but I won't be the only. There's no saying how crowded it's going to be though. At the peak. The peak of this is why I'm quite serious three things. You need like a reflective safety vest. You need a clipboard. And you need a mug of coffee there, there are a lot of places you can just wander into these things, and they're not going to ask any questions of you just get a fake badge. That doesn't say anything, maybe flip it over and it has safety spelled incorrectly. Yeah it's race. I eventually, they're gonna have a hotel you could stay at that we'll have a whole you'll have a story line for your your character during your stay. You'll have costuming. It's really cool. What I'd leave Lori is actually natively amend Lorient's on curious to see how big. I bet admitted committed chlorine, just through the roof. But anyway. Well, no, I have. No. I am bounty hunters thrown through. All the best batting hunter would have a little jet. I, I'm just saying there's only splattered on her not inside. Hey, let's we're burying the lead. There's a big story. There's a new MacIntosh in town. So we thought that apple might introduce something at W, W DC. You had heard rumors now you can be honest now with us. Renee had you actually seen this? No. So I have heard about the like other people have the rumor MAC book pro refreshed with the sixteen point something inch screen and the return to scissor keys, and the inverted t arrow keys, and the actual escape, you know, all that sort of stuff, but nobody really knew when that was coming and maybe it's still shifting around internally, it's hard to tell, but the earliest they could introduce that it's WBZ because we're almost upon it and if not then then usually October is their next Big Mac event, and then the March event after that, but it was hard to tell where it was going to land. So today, instead of that we got a spec update and keyboard tweak to the existing design of the thirteen inch and fifteen inch macbook pro. So what we got is eight core up to eight cores up to thirty two gigs of memory. That's is that an upgrade as well. I think it is also that there's two big changes here. One is that the fifteen inch is going to ninth generation coffee lake refresh. And yes Intel call. And coffee lake refresh at young thing. More repression. But it goes up to eight cores, and it goes up to five gigahertz in turbo, and I know a lot of a lot of people with their benchmark tools. Get real salty about, you know, the, the thermal constraints of that kind of silicon Coreg nine eight of them in a computer, if your workload is not like if you need long sustained workload you probably want fewer cores and slower speeds, so that you don't thermally throttle. But there are other people who insist that, even if you have to throw the equivalent of megatons of power behind these things, they have workloads that are not hetero. And they have they, they do take advantage of the very, very small micro milliseconds adjustments in the temperature and frequency rates. And it does benefit the manappl- claiming up to two hundred percent improvements in some in some workloads, like logic and final cut pro and. Which I bought from a couple years ago, had a lot of throttling issues, although they were able to fix those in software over time. But you're saying this will be even let. So let's go through the specs. And then I really would like you talk Rene about who should get what okay. So the other big change, big change. If there's not a new mechanism is still a butterfly keyboard, but they've changed the material that the mechanism is made out of and they said that there, should eliminate some of the problems, especially the like the double repeating characters that some people were saying, but also because they want they want people to know their sticky like the apologize previously, and they, they say they really care about their customers and their experience. They're increasing that the program that they put in place. Previously for butterfly keyboards to cover all. Butterfly keyboards now the earliest ones, and the latest ones no cost. So if the program is exactly the same, it'll be you get the one year regardless, but then you get two extra. I think it's two additional years of extended coverage no cost. And they're making sure that if you do have repair it gets done as quickly as possible. And people are quoting like twenty four hour turnaround times now in store. They said, right? Yep. So here you go starting price just before we go too much farther, twenty-seven, ninety nine but. That we got. We can't really just sit on the stock version here, eighth corps, ninth generation two point three gigahertz boost up to four point eight. Or would you spend extra two hundred bucks to get two point four gigahertz? I mean it seems like a very really you. There are again, there are some people who are doing things that I simply will dismiss turbo boost entirely, and, you know, they just think that it's not worth it. But there are some people who insist that what they are doing has enough, very small task done repeatedly and