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Bruce Feldman chat + Nick Bosa, Dwayne Haskins join the show!

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

1:00:30 hr | 2 years ago

Bruce Feldman chat + Nick Bosa, Dwayne Haskins join the show!

"And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody. What's going on? Welcome to move the sticks DJ in Bucky back with you and buck, we've got a fun show. Coming up today. Man. We got our buddy Bruce feldmans gonna stop by get a chance to to visit with him. But we've got some other business take care of as well. Yeah. Man. I'm excited about the interview with Bruce Feldman because he obviously stays on top of her from high school to causing those guys moving on to the pros. He kind of knows everything about those lower levels. But man, this is exciting time. Because now that we've been able to put the Super Bowl to bid and kinda cast is to the draft. I'm just excited about what this draft will bring more importantly, I'm excited to see how many different teams kinda change their process based on the success that we saw for someone to Ricky's last season. No doubt. I'm. I think we should look at the quarterback position here as we go into the off season. We're gonna get a chance during the conversation with Bruce to to talk about some of these other position players in this draft class as well. As some interesting thoughts, I know he has comparing Nick Sabin and Bill Belichick, so that'll be a fun conversation. But I wanna start here at the quarterback position buck because we've got the guys weren't talk about Kayla. Marie Z is gonna play he not gonna play been there done that we've had that conversation. You know, we've talked about drew lock in in Daniel Jones. We saw them down there at the senior bowl. You get a chance. I think a little bit later. Are we going to be able to roll our conversation that you had with Dwayne Haskins a little bit later on this in the show yet thinks ahead of really good conversation with him at the Super Bowl, man. I'm really excited about him the more I talked to him to Mark on the fall in love with what he could be the next level. That's great. I I'm I'm I'm looking forward to hear that conversation. Saw a little bit of the video that we put out there. The other day. I think we're also going to play your converse. Sation when Nick Bosa Darren today's show as well. So we got that. Both those interviews coming up, but on the quarterback subject to now you mentioned row pressed you were with Dwayne Haskins. But maybe the most intriguing name on the veteran market is is Super Bowl MVP, Nick foles. And what that market's gonna look like looks like him on the Philadelphia Eagles at that. Obviously is coming to a close. He's paid back. The two million bucks. He had to pay back, and he's either going to be a free agent or he's going to be traded here. So his his time is an eagles coming to a close. What's the best fit? Do you think buck with foles? You know, it's tough because like I sent a text around. I was talking to someone guys in the league in I got hot and Kover sponsors on Nick foles when I talked about the prospect of maybe having to pay him twenty five million dollars plus giving up a pig. Maybe third round pick to get him. I think many takers. Alike. I think I'll do better. I think I'll wait on what comes around the corner. I think I'll wait on westbound door number two. I think that the thing about Nick foles that may draw some evaluate as crazy as you just don't know what he is. He had the great year on the chip Kelly. We're twenty seven touchdowns only two interceptions. Pre played it a Pro Bowl level. Then after that didn't necessarily play great there. After didn't you see him with the Rams, and he can't necessarily make plays goes against city. He's backup doesn't really do. Anything reemerges and Philadelphia on a Doug Peterson Doug Peterson kind of takes him under at the end of the Super Bowl year digs into the tapes where Nick foles playing well on the chip Kelly continues to do the things that he did on chip Kelly. They win the Super Bowl. He goes back to the bench this year. Ricardson wins reemerges has some success them doing the same stuff that they did with chip Kelly. So are you willing to commit to do what chip Kelly's offense to Nick foles play at the high level because we haven't seen. Play at that level outside of playing in that system in structure. All right. So hear me out on this one. I think there's only one team. This team's been mentioned a bunch with him. I really think it's the only team the Jacksonville Jaguars the only team that makes sense for Nick foles. And I'm explain myself here real quick, I'll tell you who the comp is. Nick foles is in my opinion. He's Brad Johnson. That's what we reminds me of. And you look at Brad Johnson on a team that was ready to win down there in Tampa. That makes sense. You know, you're ready to go with his skills at his ability surrounded by what he was surrounded by great defense. You know, you've got a good play caller. There had some veteran receivers at good back. All those things kind of made sense. Brad Johnson skill set played and they were able to go chase a Super Bowl to me. Jacksonville is the only team that's close of the teams that are looking at quarterback changes are needed guy. I don't think that the New York Giants are a, you know, a decent quarterback away from from playing with the I in fact, I don't know. He's an upgrade over Eli manning. So that that's not one Washington Redskins are not ready to win a Super Bowl. That's not one Miami's not ready to win a Super Bowl. They're not at decent quarterback away from getting to that point. The Denver Broncos. You know, they have some good piece in place there. I still don't think he's a difference. But, you know, enough of a difference between case keenum it. He's gonna take you to a Super Bowl. However, I do think Jacksonville with the pieces in place, which is stable steady quarterback play could make a deep run. So that to me is the one organization that makes sense you got Filipo there who knows him well from their time in Philly if I'll put it this way if if Nick foles is not a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'll be surprised. I mean, there are a lot of things that kind of like if you read the tea leaves, it makes a lot of sense. And the reason it sensible is because the office coordinator knows him really, really. Well, so you we like to think that he would know how to mask as flaws elevate him in terms of playing to his strengths and allow him to play the game the right way. In terms of the way that he is kind of built to play it to issue that you may have is may look John Filipo likes to throw the ball all over the yard. And the Jacksonville Jaguars are a team that has built to run the football. Can't he not only just elevate? Nick foles. Can you take the rest of the pieces to get them going because when I look at the rest of the pieces, I like Dede Westbrook. A like some of the other guys that have like DJ chart was a first round pick a year ago. He's a speed guide. We didn't see much of him this year. But maybe they can do some things. But I don't know if they have a team that can come the play the style that you need to play for Nick foles when you think about the best player on offense potentially being Linter for net. It'd be interesting to see how they come together because that defense is legit. But with their defense, do you want to be conservative run it in a Caisley let Nick foles do it. I don't know. I mean, I think they have to be played because they can't go with Blake Bortles again, they have to get someone that they can depend on someone. That's a little safer some. That is a little more consistent. Maybe Nick foles can be they got we seem to play at a high level of the playoffs and maybe just just enough to make Tom Coughlin. Doug miro? Dave, call will believe he can beat a franchise quarterback for at least a short-term. All right. If I've said Nick foles to Jacksonville. I'd be surprised if that doesn't happen. Give me the favourite who makes the most sense for Joe flacco when you look at all those teams which team makes the most sense, I've got mine in mind. But I want to see what you got. I'll I actually believe that Joe flacco would benefit from going to Denver Bronco. Thank you very much. That's exam. One hundred percent in agreement. I think based on how the Broncos want to play based on how Joe flacco place straw, run a game push the ball down the field. He has always been in his best. And that he doesn't turn the ball over. And I think it is easy to say that he would be an upgrade over case keenum, even case keenum may have had better moments of late opposite though. Right right, there, you always go higher the opposite head coach. What you had you always get the opposite skill set. When you leave quarterbacks. Yeah. Just think Joe flacco is probably a better fit there in the wont other place that I would say that he potentially could fit. I think he would be a good fit with the New York. Giants nothing would a new Johnson what they have with saquon Barkley and Odell Beckham and those guys if they decided that they want to go that route. I think he's an upgraded an improvement over Eli manning. And this is a lot that is a powerful statement there. Those are the two. I mean, are there any is there any other teddy Teddy's probably one? Yeah. But like the Miami makes sense going back to Miami make sense for teddy. But I don't, you know, I don't know like he didn't necessarily play great. You like to see him. The deal when he had his opportunity at the very end of the year. He didn't play great in that game. I think there are a lot of people that are still optimistic about what he could be. But you would like to see him coming to finish it off strong to really make your evaluation pop and he didn't do that. But you talked about him going to Miami makes perfect sense. And I think it makes sense for him not only being from Miami and deleted ship that they need in the vacuum. I believe you'll be a better warm weather quarterback because the arm issues won't necessarily be a fact because to ball floss father in the hot weather. Yeah. No doubt. We all want to be in warm weather. All right. Let's what do you say? Let's get to our chance to to sit down with with Bruce. Let's roll that interview. And that conversation I had with Bruce Feldman, then we'll come back on and chat about it. Excited to be joined by Bruce Feldman, Fox Sports superstar. And now a taking his prolific writing duties to the athletic, which I would encourage if you do not have a subscription to the athletic. It is it is much much worth it especially for Bruce. Who is the best in the business, Bruce? How you doing man I'm doing great good to be all of you. I appreciate you you carbon out some time for today. I wanna start you've written a couple of interesting pieces lately in in one that I that I'm want to start off with here is that you went back and revisited the meat market, which is a is a recruiting book that you penned. I guess what was that about? Oh, six oh seven when that came out, Bruce. It was I basically spent two years inside oldness football program. When was the head coach there, and it was a fascinating project all the way around. It is a great read. You know, encourage you to go read it revisits a lot of these individual players. And where are they now what happened to these guys and even catching up with or drawn in terms of the success? He's had. You want on going back to USC had some successes in term there. And then is has done a nice job at LSU. I believe he just didn't. He just get a new contract as well down there in the by now, it's not done yet. But I think LSU would like to extend them, and I think they're still trying to sort that part out. Okay. Well, the angle I want to take with you. Because as we as you know, we are focused on the on the NFL in the NFL draft in particular as to the spring, but I just feel like orgy Ron is always mentioned for his recruiting skills. And you kinda get his here. All the great stories. I remember Sean trill Henderson the stories about him. You know, sitting on the couch, you know, with the with the family and the grandparents and he's always just found ways to connect with people. And I think people his personality gets its do. I I don't know that evaluation skills get there, you go all the way through his career is, you know, quite well Brucie's that a lot of first round picks a lot of successful players. And they haven't always been the five star kid. He's unearth some hidden gyms there. So selfishly, I just wanna know being around. Him for a couple of years in the evaluation process, and that's recruiting process, but the evaluation process what's made order on so good. Well, a couple of things. So first of all you look at who he learned under. I mean, he was on the Miami staff, which immi Johnson. And I think when people see Oprah on they she this kind of Cajun caveman personality, and they just you know, they look he doesn't seem that sharp. You know, kind of that. And they don't realize that he is always he's always one of these guys always learning in picking stuff up. And I think he learned a lot under Jimmy Johnson. He learned a lot in a short amount of time under Paul possible only at Syracuse and some other guys, and I think what was big for him. Is he trust is a valuation, and he believes in it so much he he's not shy about the he likes to be the first person to offer a guy because he feels like, you know, what if I'm the first person to go out and stick my neck out for a kid that kid there's gonna be some kind of connection. Maybe a loyalty feeling like, hey, we were the first ones to believe in you. And that can that can help them on the on the on the recruiting on the Luoyang side of the recruiting process. But she talked about, you know, a lot of these guys were not the five star guys. Because usually when he offers them, they're they're no star guys because they haven't really been evaluated yet. Or maybe there are three star to star guys. You know, Ryan Kalil who turn out to be a terrific NFL lineman. I remember telling me in the story, he's recruiting coordinator at USC. And he said rankled from Orange County. He's I don't know what he is maybe six to they had them at their camp. He was not a big recruit. And they watched him the top ranked defensive line guy. Think I don't know if he's in the country, but certainly at that camp got him. Derek Landry from northern California ended up going to Notre Dame Notre Dame. Yeah. You were six at Notre Dame. Yeah. And they say, you know, he said we walked Ryan, you know, kick that guy's. But rep after rep and he's like we wore on on on Ryan too little so much in that in that camp where. Like, you know, we whipped this. But just to see how tough he was. And you know, just demanding and demanding and demanding and Ryan clue turn out to be probably the best player in the I would say of the best recruiting class in modern history at least in the star system. And that was that two thousand three USC class that had a bunch of first rounders and a bunch of second rounders, and again that was a three star guy. And so one of the things I've heard back on the on the other end of this. You know, revisiting meat market a deck at twelve years later was I remember I talked to t Bob Baer who started for a couple of years at LSU and was a highly grand kid who goes wrong couldn't get. But t Bob said we went to a camp he had and he said, it was a different dwell camp in terms of how hands on he was he goes, it was almost primal. But he said it was fun, but it was super competitive and kids really responded to that. And so. I think it's been really good. At is. You know, you can be all, you know, he's he loves track times and all the measures was just like everybody else. But the biggest thing I always heard from him was how tough is a kid how competitive is he how much does he love football. You know, how football smart is those things 'cause if you can figure those things out you probably won't have a bus on your hands. If you have a kid who loves football and is competitive and his tough. You know, it doesn't mean he's going to turn out to be Reggie Bush. It doesn't mean he's going to turn out, you know, to be some some, you know, Patrick Willis. But it means you probably have a player that's good for your program. And that was what he was big on. He's big on. You know, the the biggest Kisa death for him. It was always a kid who may have a good forty time or something. But he was stiff, and that's the thing. They always tried to find out and there's little tests, obviously, people in the scouting world do, but he said sometimes those things you just don't know what you have until you have a kid on your. Campus for a couple of weeks. I'm just trying to to extrapolate that out to the NFL level. And and to me just listen to this conversation. It puts such an emphasis on the spring in terms of being able to put these kids through your own private workouts. Because that's like your own little camp. You know, college kids, college coaches, always encourage prospects to come into their can't most of them, you would know better than I that seems like a lot of programs have a philosophy right? If you don't camp there. They won't offer you scholarship because they want a chance to get a chance to coach you see how you learn see how you handle some adversity and just see how you operate on their practice field kind of in an apples and apples to apples setting versus watching the kid play against inferior competition on highschool tape. Right. And what's different now than it was five years ago is now because recruiting processes sped up. It's hard kids already have offers. And they're they're going to go not all of them. But a lot of these kids are gonna go. Well, I'm not going to go to camp. Why do I need to go to that that camp? I already have a leg. Kevin offers. And so the evaluation process gets murkier. 'cause exactly what you just said. I I can still hear his voice going. We wanna see him in our drills and see how they handle our coaching. You know, and how they what they pick up and what they don't. I think it's more of a blind than what you guys have at the NFL level. Because you have, you know, more of all guys there's less project there's projection, but it's obviously not like, you know, a lot of times these guys get a kid, and they'll look and he's he's a six four three hundred pound offense lineman or defensive linemen and the guy he's going up against my size for you know, it's just you just, you know, a guy can just mall somebody you really don't, you know? And I think even a lot of the stuff that happens in the in the star system is they go to some kind of camp or the opening and it's shorts and t shirts, and you just really don't know that much about how how good a guy is. This is like a little bit of this popping my head this necessarily. Always wrong related, but it's Pete Carroll related. There was an offense of linemen that was from Arizona. I remember he was at USC camp. And he was long, and he looked pretty, you know, look pretty athletic, and he got whipped rep after rep. And I remember p Carole go and take get him in there again, it was like any the guy got beat by like different body types each time, and he wasn't a big recruit. But I think his dad played maybe at Minnesota or something I remember talking to the kid the kid ended up going to Michigan. And I believe he's now he was like a first round pick. Who is now the starting off into tackle for the Tennessee, titans, Taylor and. Yeah. And it's just like, okay. Let's see how resilient this kid is what happens when he's a gets beat because he's probably going up against that camp at USC. He's probably going up against players who are better and more than anything. He sees regularly in Arizona, man. It's just like, okay. What's his mind mentality? Like when he gets beat. How is he going to handle it? And I thought that was interesting a little snapshot at that until the one the highest payed left tackle in the NFL. I believe. After his contract extension last year. So he's he came out of that. Okay. When it was all said and done, I think the way I kind of summarize it, and this has been said and scouting community before. But you talked about kind of the the work ethic. Do they love football, or they tough all those things. I think those intangibles kind of set the floor of the evaluation. You're never going to completely miss on somebody when they're wired that way, and I think that then you get to the pure talent. They can set the ceiling a little bit of where you go from there. But man when you look at guys that have busted out. I know I've done this personally when I do some self evaluation of players that I've graded over the years, though, it is it is primarily that is number one on the list. Is there some type of a work ethic issue or injury history things like that can pop up as well? But nine times out of ten if a guy just completely bus. I mean, you don't imagine. When you're watching a kid in college. You don't imagine that he's you know, you're you're not totally whipping on the evaluation. It's pretty obvious. Some of these guys look he's he's big he's explosive. You know, do this that or the other? But if totally flames out, it's usually not because of the ability issues because of some of the other issues we just discussed yet. I mean, I think there's two separate issues. I feel like I've heard Louis Riddick. Bring this up a lot, you know football character. It's the football characteristic over overall character and one of the best players. You know, the book the first evaluation that I get into the book is of a five eleven hundred eighty five pound like skills guy. It's golden Tate. And they were like, okay. What does he wanna play here because he could do anything, you know, the sheriff and Smith played five physicians, and you know, would have been good at all of another Tennessee, you know, bread kid, but the one of the guys they love the most was defensive tackle wore ninety nine from Louisiana reminded owes run of Warren Sapp and that kid, ultimately, you know, they questioned there was questions about his work ethic and how hard he wanted to play, but he could be dominant, and he they couldn't get him. He went to Tennessee didn't qualify. What was sent to junior college in northern California didn't stay there? When Louisiana tech got booted out of their went to Texas, southern why talked to his coach at Texas, southern you know, this past week and he raved about the kid outlet and how explosive he goes I've intern with the Houston Texans. I've intern with the San it was the San Diego Chargers. I've never seen anybody. You know, Melvyn Melvin Ingram is as explosive as he is didn't have get off like Rolando Mellon sewn. But Rolando had big issues off the field. And he never, you know, got the sniff of the NFL because of all the stuff that, you know, just matters matters most than no matter. How talented you are if you don't have it together. You know, you're going to be a waste of people time. That's why it's so important to get to know these kids and not only get to know them. But talk to everybody else around them, teammates coaches, support staff gather as much information. So you can make a decision there. When you're invest in that type of money and putting your job on the line with with you're gonna select in the draft. Oh, I want to transition a little bit over from or. John to to best coaches in football right now. It's been that way for a long time at the college level, it's been Nick and Nick Sabin. I know Davos is his number a little bit lately. When I think I don't think you get any any argument the Knicks still the king of the mountain there. And then when you look at the NFL level, it's Bill Belichick, and you wrote recently about all the the roster the staff turnover for Nick that he's had it Alabama losing assistance and coordinators just about every single year and we've seen this off season. Now with Bill Belichick. He loses another coach Bryant Flora's who takes off to go to the Miami Dolphins. Now the difference between the two at face value is while Sabin has lost a lot of coordinators Patricia the year before last year the floor is go we've seen Charlie weis back in the day Romeo Cornell we've seen attrition on that staff. But for the most part, I think all but three years there. He said Josh mcdaniels there Dante scar neck you the best offensive line. Coach on the planet has been with him for the majority of this run. He's had some some key figures Ernie ad. Dems kind of behind the scenes has been there with them Nixon Syria's been there with them. So he's had some nucleus or accord there within the entire time has has Sabin had people. We don't know about maybe the the core group there that we don't know about. And how have both these guys if you're gonna compare them how they've been able to survive some of the transition that they've had. Yeah. It's an interesting parallel. Obviously those guys who spent a ton of time together before, but I think what which key here is so this year, and the big part of that story that you know, I did on the outlet of couple of weeks ago was he's gonna lose seven of the ten on field coaches this cycle that he had. And that's after bringing in six new coaches lash. None of the guys were the onfield being coordinators position coaches that he has have been with him very long. So the three hold-overs who are going to be from last year going past signing day. Jeff banks a special team court is eight or he was there last year was his first year. He. Pete golden who's you know, defensive coordinator last year was his first season and Carl Scott defensive backs coach also last year was his first. So nobody has any extended length of time with the onfield coaches. But as I got into the story, I've talked to a lot of people on the staff, or you know, inside the program, but also people who used to work there. And this was I think an eye opener for me from a former assistant there, it doesn't rely as much on assistant coaches because it's so structured, he's got two huge factors. Scott Cochran is the strength coach. And Jeff Allen is the director sports medicine. Those are the good cops the players aren't as miserable as the coaches because of those guys they only deal with saving a little bit. When you're a coach, you you deal with him all day when you're a player you deal with Cochran and Jeff way more than you deal with Sabin. And the big thing is you've got better players than everybody else. It's not even close he's out recruited everybody and. And I think that's telling because, you know, most Alabama fans know who Scott conferences, 'cause that, you know, incredibly gravelly voice, and he's high energy like most strength coaches money to Jeff. Yeah. And I don't think anybody knows who Jeff Allen is unless you're, you know, maybe in your line of work you how about that? Those are the key pieces that make it run along with saving is so good at what he does. I mean, he's head and shoulders better than everybody else. As far as college coaches. So has he has he just kind of kept I know defensively, obviously, save and has his core philosophy and core tenets there when he keeps bringing in these new coordinators each and every year, especially the defensive coordinators terminology, all those things that MS it just kind of savings terminology, and those guys come in and got to learn and adapt, and and go with it, or is he really changing things up on a yearly basis I think he's tweak thing a little bit. But it's still his show. You know there. There's a story I'm working on now about Pete Golding who's a rising starring coaching and really was. Way off the radar. He was at UTSA when saving heard about and has like this legendary now seven hour on the board interview where he golden blows them away with just how he is. And I think there's things that you're coming to do it. Nick does. Right. He's the secondary guy. And so much of that happens. I mean, they've had d- line guys cycle in and out. It feels like every two years. And so it's it's what Nick does. Now, he definitely made some adjustments ofensive -ly. You know, I think with some of the RPO game. I think Mike Loxley helped him in the last couple of years. Not just says they always coordinator. But with the QB run game. I think what you've seen from from lane. Some of the ways they handle things and really exploiting. You know, here's our Goto guy. And we're gonna find different ways to get him the ball. But for the most part, you know, he's had he's had key influences. Like, Joe Pendry for a long time was behind the scenes, really all. Yeah. So. I think you know, he knows what he's doing. And I think some of the the recruiting principles and different things. That's Nick savings blueprint. I mean, you know, you talk to guys coach they're saying, you know, I thought we would have had maybe some big more big receivers. But Nick Sabin wants a certain kind of this and a certain kind of that, and it it works. I mean, obviously, he's the by far the best coach at least of my lifetime in college football, and he's recruiting and a high level. And I just think the guy's adapted him in one of the things you hear from these guys who used to work there is you go in as an assistant getting the job thinking, right? This is probably a short term pop position. Maybe one year maybe two years, and it's going to better me for the way out. And you always hear guys have better relationships with Nick Sabin after they work for them than when they worked. It's like you've survived. Yeah. It's the bad blue camera a lot. Yeah. Exactly. You made it through real quick here. I don't keep you too long. Bruce. Generous with your time. But wanted to hit you up on a couple of guys getting ready to look at this draft class. I know you've got a chance to be around a lot of these kids, and their coaches and some of their back story. I just wanna pepper you on a on a couple of them. Rashawn Gerry I think's gonna be one of the more polarizing players in this draft class because he little bit more athlete than football player at this point in time. Everything I've been told he's going to test like a freak. I I didn't even I go back and look at your freaks. I'm imagine. He's probably made his way onto that thing. But he is going to be, you know, two hundred eighty pounds. He might not have been told he might even run on the four five which is astronomical, but the production never quite matched the talent there at Michigan. Oh, he was a big time high profile recruit. What can you tell me about Rashawn Gerry yet? You is number one on my free plus this past year there. There's so many good deal. I'm in the production parts would scare me a little bit. There's two guys that I would put putting that similar category. And they're both big ten guys. And it's him and one of the tight ends no offense from Iowa. Who's just a you know these? Mendes athlete. Yeah. But the production. You wonder others CJ Aachen is more versatile. The other tight end. I feel like I have a little more faith in. But it wouldn't surprise me. If neither one of those guys being Noah or for Gary goes into the NFL, and for whatever reason just because it's somebody gets it out of them. They get more comfortable, and then they just flourish and become an, you know, big impact guy because just because they're so gifted. But again, I there were other the big ten lineman about I think more impressive. And I think we saw a lot more linemen than I thought. We're just more productive. And he was so I could see why it was somebody would take him in, you know, who blow up in Indian somebody will take them in the top fifteen, but it would I don't know. How do they explain it? I mean, you know, those coaches there Michigan you've met with them. How do they explain the gap between the ability and the production? Do they ever offer explanation? We remember though, I mean, the guy the other side of the Paul James mayday do on the plays by. But I think it's like that was a aside from the end of the season that was a really good defense. And he was an important part of a really good defense. You know? But the guy you hear them rave about more. Not just one of its was Bush all the linebacker undersized linebacker all over the place, and that's the one you would always hear about. So it's not a knock on him. I guess it's relative though, 'cause 'cause feels like it's a knock and you're talking about a top ten pick. No. I don't know. That's going to be fun. I think he's going to go up there, Bruce. I think he is still said is so tantalizing. And here's the thing. Sometimes you get guys that are athletically, gifted like that they don't have the production and a lot of times you question. Why? I don't know. This guy's great athlete. But man, he doesn't play hard. Does even want to be out there this kid plays but off and he is disruptive. He generates a lot of pressure. He just struggles to kind of look at the football at times. I think it's more of an instinct thing, but I think he plays hard you watch him hustle on the backside and do all kinds of things. So I think the fact you have this freakish athlete who shows that he cares on the field that he's going to go in the top ten even if the production doesn't warn it. He and the character part is not a worry because you talk to guys who worked with them and coached him. They really liked him as a kid. He's intelligent. They like him. It's just that piece. You wonder about a little bit just because the production. Maybe there's there's more to it in the film like you said, but it's not a character issue. I've heard a lot of good things from the guys who coached them. So they'll all know off the field issues there one guy who does. Now, I'm putting on the spot here because I don't know how much you know, about this kid, but Jeffrey Simmons is my fifth overall player in the draft. He is ridiculously talented defensive tackle prospect from Mississippi State who has a video with a physical altercation. With a woman when he was in high school before he got to Mississippi State. I've talked to tons of of evaluators that have gone through the school on the school call and they say that they rave about him have had no issues with him whatsoever. He's an honor roll student. They said you could talk to any of his professors as coaches any of the students on campus. You will not find anybody that will say one bad thing about Jeffrey Simmons. However, there's a video that exists of the altercation with the with the female in high school, and he is not been invited to the combine as part of that policy. The NFL is put in place. So he's going to obviously be under intense scrutiny as we go towards the draft with with that video being out there. What what have you heard about Jeffrey Simmons? And and what can you tell us there that maybe I don't know. Yeah. For a little context on that. So. He was suspended in this. This guy even more attention because Mississippi State was the old Dan Mullen staff, and they'll all day d they suspended him for one game. And it was his first game. And it was against the terrible opponent people. Like, okay. This is kind of a farce to begin with this is if you want to do something that you really doing this, and it got more attention because it really broke around SEC media days in in jeopardy Simmons first year. So from my understanding the story was there was an altercation between one of his relatives. It was a female in this woman Simmons jumped in to protect his I don't know if it's this older sister or aunt, and then he got it all seen on the video striking this woman as multiple times, and it's a horrific video. Everything you've heard since then, and it's the same stuff your saying. And I know these Mississippi State staff, especially the new one, which is the Joe Moorhead. Bob, Schouten staff has been str- extremely positive like you said about what kind of person he's been in starkville for three years, and Bob shoop will be an interesting person for people to talk to. He was the defensive coordinator at Tennessee before Mississippi State. We had a conversation about Jeffrey Simmons and going visit him I remember sitting in troops office and. He talked about like where he like kinda wear Jeffrey Simmons came firm, and there's you know, I don't wanna get into too much. 'cause it wasn't like a I wasn't there to talk to him about Jeffrey Simmons. But I remember his perspective on Jefferson's is probably going to be about as good as anybody because he knew Jefferson's before as a recruit, but he also knew him as a guy who was not getting Jeffrey Simmons. Remember, he was Tennessee. He never thought he's gonna coach them. Then then he's coached them this past year, and he's really talented, and he has something really ugly in his past. But it definitely seems like if you talked to everybody that he's come a long way from that. And that was just one really bad moment in the heat of the moment. So I think this is going to be a this is gonna be one where I think they're going to whoever whoever drafts them, and I bet he's going to be a top top ten pick. Because he is really productive is going to have to is going to have to navigate the PR stuff. That's gonna come. Mhm something happened with him in high school. But again, I think they're going to have to be very vocal about all the people. They talked to at Mississippi State both on the Dan Mullen staff and now on the Joe Moorhead staff about what what he's been like since he's been there. And I think they're gonna have to be really up front about. Because I think there is a lot of positivity about all the people you'll you'll talk to you about what he's been like when they're being honest couple, mommy to more guys than what your own marquees Brown from Oklahoma is is listed at five ten a hundred sixty eight pounds. I've been told he's he's going to be over one hundred seventy pounds, which is good for me. Because he's my ninth overall player, which is something again, it's it's awkward to have somebody so under-sized. So highly rated, but he looks different. When I when I look at all the receivers in this draft class, and I stack them up this kid is different than everybody else. He's got a different type of juice. He's fluids and excellent route runner. He's not just, you know, a post go guy like he does a lot different things. You can see him. Get breaks. I was with the eagles. I believe when Sean Jackson was coming out. No. Where was I was? I'm actually might have been in Baltimore. But Sean Jackson was the exact same player exact same size. I think Markey's Brown might be a little bit tougher. But where does this kid where this kid come from? And and what's your what's your thoughts on him from what you've spoke to there with that Oklahoma staff about Mark Brown? What type of player he is? Yeah. He's a Florida kid who went to junior college. Dennis Simmons is his receivers coach there, and and Dennis has been around a lot of really good football players. And a lot of really good receivers. He was with Dennis Simmons is old BYU linebacker, but he was on Mike Leach avid, Texas Tech, he coached, and he was really a guy who helped Michael Crabtree. He's had really good players everywhere. He's been at receiver. He's you know, he's about as good a receivers. Coach is there is from from recruiting to help kids get developed and he loves that kid. He just said a lot of stuff you're talking about. Where you know had some had some speed before. I mean, you remember the couple of years ago, they had what you look like a small receiver by NFL, Senator Dede Westbrook. Who could just light up the big twelve and one's a great college receiving he had more baggage. I don't think from what I've heard Brown has the off feel baggage at all he's just tiny. And I'm a little surprise that you have in that high. Not because I don't think he was a you know phenomenal weapon, but just continue so small, and you know, he's not tyreek hill where you're looking at tyreek feels thicker guy. But when I watch him I'm like man, he's got a different gear than everybody else on the field. I don't you know. I don't know. If I to me, I don't think Brown is is that because I think he's smaller. But one of the things the frustration from talking to Dennis at OU was that a couple of days after the they lost to Alabama. He was banged up in that game. He. He tried to play. He said he's a tough kid in terms of top heart. You know, just he's gonna give you whatever he has. But he is small and you just us wonder about the durability issue. But he he he is a weapon for somebody. Because of that that year he has and he really just took off when he was at Oklahoma in Lincoln Riley system. And like, I said Dennis Simmons. He's done a really good job with receivers like this, especially at OU since been there. Yeah. To me. I mean, he's not he doesn't have the same Bill. As is Terry in terms of the thickness, but I've seen the career, you know. And I think this kid probably a little bit cleaner off the field into Sean Jackson. I've seen the career that Sean sad, Sean was one hundred sixty nine pounds. So it's it that's the same exact body type that I saw. And I think if Sean was cleaned coming out of the draft. I'm outta huge rate on him. He would have been a top fifteen pick and prove really through his career that he was he was the other one the other one I would compare Bruce watching this kid just an in. And he's going to run much faster than Antonio Brown. But anto just movement wise when you watch Antonio Brown looks like he's moving at a different speed game. Speed-wise this kid. I went back and watch them against Georgia last year. We're going against the Andre Baker who I think's one of the best corners in this draft class. And it's just like he's just it looks like a rowboat trying to catch up to a speedboat. It's a it's a different level of juice. Well, I like, you know, she's not not as bigger than Tony either. But the thing that I think is a common thread, they're both south Florida kids who are lost in the recruiting shuffle for a while. And I think when you're that size. No matter how fast you are. Obviously. I like you said he's he'll he'll time way faster than Antonio. But he they both have that chip on their shoulder that I think is obviously critical if you're gonna try to survive in the NFL at that size. And I just think that because he was a, you know, he he always showed up in in these games is Alabama game is unfortunate because he was so banged up. That they really felt like he was going to he they could exploit a lot of mismatch is against the Alabama secondary. Which eventually obviously Clemson did. But you know, again, like I said, I'm a little surprised just because he when people seem impersonal and he small, but he's, but he is he's got a gear. That's rare. Right. No question. Yeah. It's going to be interesting evaluates, not we talk about receiving cores to me. You know, you build them like basketball team. So you wanna have a variety of dudes? Now, you're going to want to have some bigger guys that can do some of those things on third down in the red zone. He's not gonna to give you. But man, he's he's your point guard because that's that's a valuable piece to have an offense. Get you looking for explosive plays. He's going to give you that in and plenty of it last one here, and I and I'll let you move Andre Dillard tackle from watching Stefano, you know, him quite well, I caught some eyeballs when I had him read as highly as I did. But I thought pass protection wise, he's the best. He's the best passed protecting left tackle. I thought that I studied all these tackles in this draft class and. Link there's room for him to grow. I think there's more in front of him. I think he's a special athlete. I think he's a darn good football player. I thought he held himself hit on himself. Really well during the week of practice down there in mobile gave up a sack in the game wasn't wasn't his best there. But but overall, I think he's a really really good player that not a lot of people know about. Yeah. History. Really interesting. I about a month or so I did a piece about why it's so hard to evaluate linemen. And he is a great example of it just because when he was a two or low three star recruit coming out of high school in Washington state, Mike Leach has always gonna take five oh line that. And so you can gamble more. And they gambled on that. Because he was six four to forty and the guy who recruited him claiming wires now at Texas State was his own line coach. And he said I went to see him. They'll went to his old school, you know, eat or we'd already signed him. And I'm like looking at him like man he hasn't gained in. So they will worried when he showed up, but then eventually, you know, he put on the way you red shirt. Hurted and claim a wire think he's gonna run four eighths or low for nine at Indy, and he's got really good feet. I think one of the things from talking to coaches in the Pac twelve and we do a bunch of twelve games at FOX you heard how much better they thought he got this year? Now, he had claim Aguire for three years, and this year had Mason Miller was a new line coach there, and I think the ability just for him to anchor they tweaked his stance. Some of those things that that you heard he got better at I think he's obviously got a lot of experiences. Just you know, how many idol Reuss Reuss PC the old line coach that he had this last year is the kid is a guy that came from from Nevada. Right, right Tonio. And so this was because when you watch them it's noticeably different than the traditional each offense lineman where they're always in vertical sets, which is me, and there's taking taking a step straight back which is going to be challenging to play that way. At the NFL level. There's a couple line coaches it'll teach it, but not many. And I saw when I watched him a lot more traditional sets. And it was not typical of elite offense. So you could tell there had been a little bit of a change there in the offense line which will benefit this kid going forward because that was a knock on a lot of these air-raid tackles was man. That's a big adjustment. They've never had to take a traditional set. They've always been vertical set guys. So that that to me was will really help him with teams in the evaluation process, and he's just a very fluid athlete. They knew he was I think they knew you know, genetics wise, his dad was was was a big. I was also a college football player. They were there were encouraged by that, you know, what's what's interesting is there's another guy who's I think two years younger on the Washington state roster. Abe, Lucas who's on the other side who six eight who they think has maybe even more potential. He's even bigger he's even longer maybe almost as athletic too. So that's the name to remember. But again. You know, people in Pullman. I mean, this is a this is the example. Whereas I where did he come from? They roll the dice. Sometimes you roll the dice and the kids just never develops this. One sounds like he's gonna develop a possibly high first round. Yeah. How about that? Well, Bruce, I've taken way too much your time. I can. And I pick your brain on one guy who I don't know. What fits? Yeah. We did. We we must have done Washington five times this year. I think I saw them in person five or six times. I I'm a believer in miles Gaskin. I know he's not very big could he do what Philip Lindsay did. So that's exactly it's funny. You say that because I was talking to a personnel executive last night. And that's the name that came up. His name's come up with another general manager that I've talked to I I've done them. And I liked him. I, you know, it was it was interesting because I said to this general manager at the senior bowl, I said miles Gaskin is going to get the Philip Lindsay bump he's a four year. Oltra productive Pac twelve kid. Who's not going to be real big? It was going to probably run pretty fast. He's going to get the Philip Lindsay bump because the league missed on Philip Lindsay. So that was exact same comparison. I made in terms of club the kids quickness a stop start quickness. He just really really instinctive. He's patient that use them kind of in the wild cat stuff there, as you know, just really good with the ball in his hands. Now, I I actually thought Philip Lindsay had a little bit more power to him. You know, even though they didn't have the bigs body type of the thought he had a little bit more strength. But I think he's going to get the bump. Now that bump to me is probably I would say the high watermark would be the fourth round. And I would say probably you're in between the fourth and six around is where he ends up going. I feel like a year from now I'm sitting watching a game ago. Hey, they that kid who who looked like is what one hundred ninety two pounds. He's just random for thousand yards. Good from a good for Huw gasping. And it's always never done. He was almost always the best player in every game. And I think even when he when they played Ohio State. You know, I think he was better than the allows. They running back Neil. I'm not a big I'm not a big Mike Weber fan. So these a head of him on my list. The problem though, Bruce miles Gaskin when I was watching all the running backs he came up right after my app state guy. So you know, when I once I saw Jalen more was it's hard to come in after that. You know, what I'm saying Jalen landscape, right? Jalen more if he's healthy, you know, he was had that injury. And couldn't couldn't participate there in the senior bowl. But he is really good. I went back and watch that Penn State game. It was tough to watch the end of it. But he was really really good against that against that group. So it's it's a really good running backs as deep crop. I don't think there's a not a Todd Gurley. Or is he kill Elliott in this group? I love Josh Jacobs. But I think it's a deep group. I think it's the value is going to be in that third fourth round range in this draft. Yeah, it's funny. We did I CD your your cohort NFL. I did the NFL PA bowl. And it was like west hills t- loves that dude, man. He showed up the senior bowl. Charles was all over him. I'm telling you. He was he was he loved his perspective and Clinton Portis was the running back coach for his team in that game. He was like he's definitely an NFL player. I was like why he goes because he's hungry. And you know, it's funny. It's like, you know, the the aunt who recognize the other ant, you can are wonder when like, you know, sometimes we're going go talk about you know, he's runs patient. He does this. He does that and Clinton Portis is around the week. He's just kind of looking at Zion goes on that. So now if I were running back, you know, he he the for the senior bowl. He I carry he hunted up a trill Hanks know if you saw it back from New Mexico state was allowed collision of the week. Yeah. I mean, that's what CD's the, you know, two CDs credit he brought that up in our free games. And, you know, just an interesting, you know, he's another New Jersey kids who turned out to be a really good football player. And you know, because he's from a small high school ended up ended up at Delaware and then ended up at slippery rock. So I don't know. I don't want. I don't want all your time on that. But I I just thought it was going to be fun to watch. What happens if some of these kids? Well, we're gonna get you on here again. Hopefully, a couple more times here before we get to the draft because we can just new balance ideas off on these players and continue to learn more more about them. It's it's my favorite time of the year. Man, Bruce, you've built you're the best. Appreciate your time. And we'll catch up with you soon. Thanks for the kind words always applied you'd be hopefully, I'll see an indie. Yep. Sounds good. There. He is a great Bruce Feldman. Nobody better the best in the business. And again, check him out on the F letting if you don't subscribe, I highly highly highly recommend it. Hi, buck were there, you go your chance to to hear that chat with Bruce. I I know you've you've already heard it. So what what did you what'd you take away? Their. I think the big thing. Obviously, I'm always fascinated by the stuff that comes out with a Nick Sabin and a comparison with Bill bell checking audit other stuff. But the things that you guys discussed at the end where you talked about the Philip Lindsay bump, how often does that happen in the scouting business where the year before someone that you kind of lukewarm on you don't go get. So the next year a prospect at exhibit, some of those similar qualities you go all in on. And I'm gonna tell you a funny story. A when I was in Seattle. A may be my second or third year. It was the draft with Antwan Randle ill, the Antwan Randle ill. At the senior bowl was dazzling. He was a quarterback, but he did some things where he called punts. He did some why receiver stuff at the senior bowl and Mike Holmgren was fascinated. It by him. We didn't take him. He goes and has a pretty solid rookie year doing some gadget stuff for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The next year Sinica Wallace's in the draft cynical. Wallace is a guy that we took because of Antoine Rendall ill in early and Seneca Wallace's career with the Seahawks. He returned punts. He played a little slot wide out. He did a lot of little things before he kind of became like the journeyman quarterback. But because we missed out on Antwan Randle ill. We went back and tried to get a rental ill clone and Seneca Wallace. I think we're going to see that happen this year. The Baker Mayfield effect dairies Leonard some of the other guys during James guys that people passed on for whatever reason they're gonna go back and try and find those guys that are quote, unquote. Clones, and they're going to overdraft him to make what they didn't get this season prior, no doubt. I think you're gonna see the bump. It's going to happen. And we we saw even a little bit with the tyreek hill. Right. We saw tire. We've had some tremendous speed. But there was some syndrome things off the field. Yep. And then Antonio Calloway who if there's no tyreek hill, I don't know that Antonio Calloway gets drafted absolutely with some of his issues, but bid see the way tyreek hill worked out. So well and in the same guy that took both of them. He went back to it. So John Dorsey ended up taking a shot. They're taking a flyer on Calloway there. What the fourth round I think it was Calloway and Calloway performed very very well for them emerged as maybe their second receiver behind Jarvis Landry. So yeah, people will take chances. The Baker Mayfield thing. I think makes it easier for people to take a Calamar or even Ocala Marie doesn't have the same physical dimensions. But because all those guys are considered shorter quarterbacks. Calamari will get the bump from Baker Mayfield going over one in playing will because he. Plays in the same system at Oklahoma. That elevated Baker Mayfield there's some people that are going elevate him just because they're like Baker Mayfield. Do it walking calamari? Do it. No doubt. It's going to be fun to watch and see how this thing all unfolds. There definitely is a copycat effect in NFL scouting ibox staying on quarterbacks there for a second. I know you had a chance to visit with Dwayne Haskins down there at the Super Bowl in Atlanta. Let's let's get the folks at home chance to to listen to your conversation here, you here's a Bucky with the buckeyes signal caller. Join sticks podcast by my men. Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins. How's everything going going? Great man having a blast out here. Dwayne like, so many people are excited about your potential and the things that you've been able to accomplish just tell me what were you able to learn about yourself do your final season at Ohio State. I got so much work to do, you know flying? I get so much better going through every game. I learned some new by myself, but I know that kinda ways ago but scare how good I can be you know, in in looking at your game at Ohio State. What would you say some of the things that you bring to the table for an NFL team distributor? This be able to throw all over the field short intermediate deep, and then be able to to have time in rows deep routes. There's something I can do a little bit of food to give offense of a regular dynamic. No, one of the questions that you were here as you continue to go forward into the process, or who is your role models who are some of the guys in the pros that you Pat in your game. After a lot of guys I say drew Brees accuracy Aaron Rodgers all platform throws. Tom Brady leadership is stuff that everybody does. Well, trying to try to model into my game. I don't really what just wants to quarterback because everybody has their own thing that do well about his love this love the game. You know, obviously having watched you since you were a teenager coming through to camp cer-, circuit a nudity were special player. But if you had to tell people what is going to allow you to be a special plan to pros. What would you say that went straight is? A humble, man. Is this knowing that I I know I have resurfaced of what I can be. I'm gonna keep working hard and mcgarry by around me better. And just knowing that I'm going to put yourself every day. So we have an opportunity to visit with you at the combine what are some of the things that you want to show off at the combine to make people feel comfortable about you potentially being the number one quarterback in the draft. Well, I'm killed aboard. So I'm on the board coverages but sessions audit. I love that stuff. You'll be able to do on the interviews showing that I have the personnel to be named franchise quarterback. So that's all I wanted to go to combine a show that will, you know, man, we excited about you. Watching you in this process. I can't wait to talk to you again. Hopefully, we get a chance to visit Canada. Come now. Thanks. All right, buck. What was your? What was your impression? They're gonna chance to visit with Haskins. I know, you know, him going back to high school going back to high school revisiting with him. I think the thing that is going to happen at the combine he is going to while people when he has the opportunity to meet with him high football IQ, very smart, very cerebral. When I asked him to question about the quarterback that he pattern. He gave all the right answers talked about drew Brees Rogers, and the like, I just believe that the more people get to know him in the more. They get the chance to get on the board with him in the see where he is when it comes to football IQ. I think he's going to be easy for people to envision it being a franchise quarterback. And I expect him to not only be the first quarterback to come up to board. I think he's going to go higher too. Many of us haven't picked at this point. I know it's it quarterbacks. Get pushed up in sometimes that we think of that is a bad thing. Other times quarterbacks climb up. They don't get pushed up they climb up. They impressed through the spring process. And it sounds like Dwayne Haskins is going to be one of the guys. It's able to get that done. You had a chance while you're there to visit with another guy, and this guy, I believe probably gonna go ahead, and Wayne housing might be the first overall pick, in fact, probably the favorite to be the first overall pick. And that's that's pass rusher, Nick Bosa. Here's buggies chat with him at the Super Bowl. Join the move the sticks podcast by Ohio State star Nick Bosa. How's everything going good? It's busy too busy weekend for me. But it's all going really well. So you obviously ended your season. Sure. Because you had injury house. We have coming on your core injury. It's pretty much come into close them just getting back to really full confidence in what I'm doing. So putting up some good numbers and training. So I'm ready to go for the coming. So now when we think about training, what are some of the things that you are working on as the combined gets closer. Of course, the forty but he loves to watch that. And then get the two twenty five tests. I think I'll blow that thing out. So just all of this stuff might not translate to football so much. But I gotta do it some working harder. All right. So now, let's go back to the football field. When we watched your tape it Ohio State. You know, like, what would you say the strong points of your game on think pass rushing of its jumps out just having good? Technique. I got good power speed kinda like to switch up. My moves keep people guessing. And so naturally when when you were a guy that has been as as -ccomplish as you've been and people think about Sunday's who are some of the guys that you've watched outside of your brother that you may have patterned your game after I like to watch Aaron Donald what he's doing at from three technique inside. I think he's innovating that position a little bit DeMarcus Lawrence from Dallas, he's fun to watch. He plays so aggressively and the crush movie is one that I definitely wouldn't add to my game. So you know, so in thinking about that one unique things about you. You're so good. What your hands? You do a great job of switching up, you got counter tactics. And moves where does that come from my coach coach at a state mighty lion? Guy coached Johnson. He he really instilled the technique and showed me what I needed to work on. And I think from there it's up to you. Really run with it. And I think me, and my brother have done a really good job of taking the techniques that he's taught us and just using it, and it works, you know. So in thinking about your brother and your dad and your uncle albeit first round picks. What is it about the both name in the family where football is the family business? I mean when you when you have my dad who is a first round pick. And then who? Brother who's the next year? The sixteenth pick to the dolphins. I mean, obviously, there's genes are going to create something that somebody could play play ball pretty well. So I mean, I gotta thank them for the jeans, but you could have great jeans, and you could not put them to work in. I've really been working hard my whole life for this. So when it comes to competitiveness as a scowl, we love legacy. And so the fact is your brother when a few years ago, the top players in the draft how competitive is that battle between you, and he when it comes to what you guys able to do on the field. I don't know if it's competitive as in just trying to beat each other. I think it's just trying to be the best that we could be together. And I think next year joining him in the NFL might get a little more competitive now that we're not the same league same level. It'll be interesting for sure one thing that has been a great experience has been sitting down talking with. You haven't washed your game from afar having studied you on tape. I'm in love with. Anything that you do best of luck to you going forward? I look forward to catching up with you again and become thanks for having me. Oh, there you go buck. I mean, just even in the voice, you can kind of hear it. Right. I mean, it just sounds just like his brother. I mean sounds just like him. Look more substance in sizzle. But what I loved about him when I kinda dug into the family business with he and his brother, and you know, his uncle and his dad all being first round picks, assuming Nick Boles gonna be a first round pick based on where he stands as maybe the best player in the draft. He talked about the family business in what he's learned in the guys that he models game after I think, obviously each and every week you get a chance to see his older brother Joey Bosa do his deal on the perimeter. And I think that the similarities between the way they go about their business. Just from a technical standpoint makes those guys easy to embrace as the number one overall pick. I'll just think Nick most is going to have an outstanding career things that'd be disruptive in dominant at the point of attack and his Pash rushing. Prowess makes him a guy that is going to be highly coveted regardless of what he does it to come on. And no doubt. He's. He's a fun player to watch. Hopefully, he is one hundred percent chance to see him move around. And and kind of cement his status if not the number one pick for sure a top five pick in the upcoming draft. The buckeyes got a good one there. I don't know. There's any more boasts coming though. So that's that's that's too bad for the buckeyes. I know. Anything else you want to get to here? Buck by no, it's been kind of a beefy show here. A lot of interviews. But feel like I always enjoy these episodes when I'm learning something. And I thought all of our guests. I was able to take something away from it that I saw I sure as heck enjoyed it. But is there anything we're missing before we get out of here? No. I mean, I think I think we kind of covered it all I think as we continue to get closer to the combine I am excited to count to start. Putting these guys in buck is kinda sort and some of the guys leading the listeners know who they should be looking forward to watching at the combine we will have all that coverage on NFL network, and NFL media, and all the outlets and stuff. But I am excited about the combine. But I'm more excited to continue to dig into these prospects. Nanno there's doing a lot of research. You're watching tape and doing some little projects I'm excited cited this share with all of our listeners here and in short order so fun time year. Can't appreciate you taking care of business for us back there behind the glass that's going to do it for today. I'll move six. We'll catch you next time right here. Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and fluffy Brooks, four more. Go NFL dot com slash podcast.

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Part 1:Pete Fornatale, Kiaran McLaughlin

"The. With Steve. And becoming interviews this is Really stupid. Very good, Wednesday? Race Bats. Literally literally breathless. Putting the final, the final I- dotting the final is and crossing the T.'s. On today's show some some last minute arrangements because of course later, this morning we'll be listening in. Eleven thirty. Two the. Pre Entry. Announcement and I'm if I'm. Not. Mistaken. They'll get they get all the races in in the half hour. So by the time we're wrapping up. WILL BE UH. We'll have we'll have fields so. In fact just. Going back and forth with. Jim Guoxin and Jim Jim Nayef. Pivotal Spot. And one of the stories I was hoping to get these tied in getting ready for the the eleven thirty but. Important News yesterday out of Breeders Cup. Regarding the owners and breeders. That are involved in Cup thin the specifics. Of Attendance and I'm sure that there'll be. There'll be some people that are that are. Delighted, to be able to be in attendance. For Breeders Cup and I'll get into this there. There's some. Some. Interesting. Numbers involved that feels like they'll be. A. Few thousand on hand. It would appear. When you add everything in. And of course, you know it's a sizable facility. But owners and breeders. and. The individual numbers. Per. Per Horse. Expecting one hundred and fifty horses. and. Maybe thousand there the suggestion was that there'd be about a thousand owners and breeders represented on the grounds each day. and. Then, you fold in. The Barn Staff and. The handful of. Of Media. In attendance and I'm just still. I saw earlier and now I'm looking back and I can't. Find the. The specific it is each horse. Six. Seats on behalf of the owners. Each day. And The ownership group will make those decisions. And the breeder. Of each horse and of course, the breeders pay the nomination face. When they're orces. Horses. A baby. they get four seats for the day the horses entered. So. There's the the overview, right? And we'll get. We'll get more as we next week particularly when we're on hand at. Keeneland the. got a full of stuff obviously and you know. No sooner did we get off the air yesterday after we had a I thought a productive conversation with Dr all day explaining. Beta, mathison and horseman dealing with. Inflammations and. The medication. Therapeutic. Programs. Does. A another baffert. TRAINED HORSE? Come. Under scrutiny and. Test positive and later I don't have. Too, many details. To flesh out. Right now. Alan form will join us. Around Eleven. And I'll let ellen a handle this in terms of. It in terms of what? dextrathoraphan. Does and what it's. What it's issues are because it's been. It's been A. A well documented. Especially the last couple of years there's been. I wouldn't call them high profile, but there's been very. contested. And fact and actually very interesting results involving dextrathoraphan and Mary epilogue had a thinking. I don't know four maybe four years ago or five years ago barrier fought About addiction orphan. positive and in. For decades of training Mary F ler has had exactly two. Issues. That cropped up ever and. And she was. Really aggressive in the way the way Graham motion has been aggressive and you know in in. Pushing back. against. This particular you know this this. One Product that is most typically found. In. Cough syrups and and cough suppressants. And there was also just a couple years ago. I would say either last year or the year before there was the one in Kentucky. Where and we talked about it in fact, I think very schola- visited and we talked about it and I know we covered that. That particular. Khrc finding because they essentially. The toss them out. At the time. So. You know the dealings with Dextrathoraphan. itself is a is one part of the story, and then there's the other half which is this. Just unacceptable and. Impossible to simply. Explain away. involving the Baffert Barn as as we said with Jay on on Friday and with Chuck Simon Monday. Didn't really talk that issue with with Dr Alda. Yesterday just wanted him to explain what horsemen. are dealing with when it comes to. Using. The legal therapeutic medications. But the problem here specifically is that. These. A potential and alleged. Contaminations. They just they begin to the more than begin strain credibility and it just it it. You know thought Jay said it well on Friday. There can't be any more of this I mean period and The. The the thing that's interesting about extortion is that it as a As a classification. It's It's it's treated innocuously and looked at as as an innocuous. issue. But the penalty side of it it's what what's notable is the penalty side is. Distinct and the penalty side of it is. You know more. Severe than. The way it's classified. Essentially because it just it's just not something that. Finds its way into wars. There's no, there's no. There's no practical application. And and those kinds of products and those kinds of things the test they get treated with. A more. Serious penalties in terms of the suspension and fine and vacating. Purses and wins etc.. But it just. You know there's just too many. There's just doesn't. Makes it makes, it. Difficult to. Believe and accept so. We'll get out in in our three and he'll talk about the back story involving this particular. Product. And and while we have Allen, there was a The timing actually to have Allen is perfect because yesterday the strategic plan the Mid Atlantic? Plan. That Allen has talked about extensively they had a Extensive. Press release. about. The tightening of restrictions. For clenbuterol and this is something they've been. Aggressive about and. and. Everybody has gotten aggressive about on that. So Alan former top of our three. Ahead of. The pre entry announcement. Bill down will be in second hour. We'll look at today's action at Indiana. And Nice set of of stakes the Indiana bread. Sequence that fills out most of the pick five, there is a two year old maiden race that. is immersed in the sequence. The second leg, but there's A nice run of stakes and a fun sequence today for the pick five, we'll go over some pick five stuff with with bill to yesterday yesterday actually. Very, again, very approachable paid. Six hundred dollars with. Major. Surprises on Monday on Monday two thousand. But there was a tough horse to come up with there was a very tough forced to come up with on the Monday sequence. So bill down. Later Karyn McLaughlin as promised. Add yesterday of course Nick Zito with his BC moments calling them and we're trying we're trying yesterday to. Appreciate the you know the exact anniversary, the thirteen year anniversary yesterday. Of the Breeders Cup at Monmouth and so nick filled in on that for. War passes. Big Win. In the juvenile. But the you know the other. The other anniversary yesterday that then we'll talk about it obviously with was Lahud on. October twenty seventh. So. Obviously with, we'll also talk about his other. Significant. Efforts. In the. In the breeders got so we'll talk about inventory and the year before. And Say the other one was Marco's Tom Accuser. Is Three Karen with three. Breeders, Cup wince so breeders, Cup, moments these these sprang up started on started on Monday with me, which was really fun. That was that was particularly. Particularly with with Megan I'm just checking because I didn't look to see if. It's funny. The the weekends that. Theaters essentially been. What three weekends that the Breeders Cup. Has Run the last weekend in October or the? First, two weekends. Of November And This is late as you're GONNA get it. Obviously. But I don't think it's funny. I don't think as I'm looking through here. I don't They ran they ran the the last. In tomorrow the last Belmont. Breeders. Cup. In, two thousand and five that was. that. Was On the twenty ninth and Yeah I. Don't I don't see that there was ever not that. I. Can at least before from two thousand twelve or before. I don't see. I don't think there was necessarily one on ever on L. check check a couple of other. Sources by. The these guides the. Derby Guide and the Breeders Cup guides. You know now it's all gone online. Which is fine except it's not as. Not as resourceful, it's not as as tactile as. Having the book you know and having. The. Big Old fashioned media guide so I think the last thing the last one, the one I'm holding. was from two, thousand, twelve, and then two thousand and thirteen went online. So I've got. I've got the Breeders Cup. Media Guide in one place and this thing. This thing is is treasured and and when it comes to Derby. I think the same year actually I think my I think two thousand twelve was the last year of the Derby printed media guide otherwise it's been. You know it's all it's all online. So and I don't know if we can. I don't know if they'll ever ever. I guess there's no. There's no going back right to a printed through a printed media guide. Anyway Karen is GonNa join us our to, and we'll also get an update from him on on life away from. The Barn in the mornings. and. You seemingly going really well, obviously for him and Louis I as we'll get a line on Sayas. Breeders Cup mounts. Later, today will be able to start to sift through and you'll go through the fourteen races and start to get a feel. Secure in McLaughlin will be with us. Obviously, he's always with us for the the Wednesday for the Breeders Cup announcement. So he sits and Pete Pete the foreign and I'm expecting I'm supposed to we're supposed to hear from Nicole As well. So. Nicole Russo. WHO's been She's been busy I mean obviously with between. Between her regular. Dr F. Responsibilities I. Know She was putting together they'll have a November. Breeding Sale. bloodstock sale. Guide. Coming Out but I did want her to. She's the one. We didn't talk to. Brad free yet but She she was the we kind of knew who the. The principals were in the distaff that was not a surprise category but. The The to turf sprints I wanted. I. Really wanted her to. To walk through with us so hoping we can get Nicole I was going to have her do some of the sale. News and and. Yesterday's. Results big. Five hundred sixty, thousand dollar quality road coke the sibling. To Gretzky the great and Aaron Wellman. Eclipse partners. BUYS, the the Quality Road Colt. Anderson Farms this was the fact this. Jessica Martini. This is the the Colt that she mentioned. Yesterday. As one of the the hips to watch. Came fairly early in the day up four, Ninety, eight and there was that other quality road she mentioned. That was a Philly outta moonlight sky. clayborn. Product and nights bloodstock they to thirty for that Phillies, equality road both a male and a female lead the. The sales results yesterday day to. At phase October. So total numbers, the numbers are again it was kind of solid day and in fact. We talked to talk back and forth with Scott. Peers at Scott's selling some. And and he said that. It's it's really the same scenario that that just keeps. You know kind of playing on repeat. Which is You know if you've got. The pedigree and you've got the physical you're you're gonNA sell well, anything with blemish is problematic. Van Just isn't Isn't turning over and you know if you've got. If you have options I if you can put went into training and sell it as a two year old or if you wanted to take it home and prepare it. We have to race I mean that that it all depends on. When everybody's wherewithal and that's that's not a new storyline. So so two more days today tomorrow and then the Erling Market Dot for Twenty Twenty A couple of other notes Outta here. In case we don't talk in the call another. Pair of of Nice sellers for not this time. Mike Ryan bought one hip six, twelve that. Trek site form Tom Evans one hundred and eighty thousand for this one out of the red bottoms and there was a not this time. that the team cassie bought for one seventy A. Colt. Out of pop singer. And this one came with a name Stuart Morris. Consigned. They slapped the name Scott Time, which is kind of cute pop singer. not this time maybe keep that name. That's not that's sometimes the names common. You you know you. Cringe. And you change. When we? When we got We got several chasm. She had come with a name already when she was a wheeling. The named her zoom, Zoom Zinger, which I I I don't want salt the breeder who's very nice of high Yeah that was we Dispatch that real quick Her Dam was able so we. Just added. The chasm. And turned it into the famous landmark which if you've never been. You know between here and Montreal. Able Kazemein wonderful trip tied into you can tie it into. The trip to lake placid. Couple of Nyquist were sold as well. Vince spoke of a Philly. Out of Richie Girl Gone Wild. Remember her. Hundred and seventy thousand, and there was also there was there's actually one of the funny one of the. Funnier. What are the? Things that happened. Yesterday. I saw that SID tweeted about it the other Nyquist which was a colt. For. One hundred and fifty thousand Anderson Farms in who had who had the. the Gretzky great sibling that led the day. But you know the tickets there's very frequently. Some games played. When it comes to signing tickets and you'll you`ll You'll see. Goofy names the other day actually I didn't see anybody had picked it up Somebody signed the ticket Antwan randle El but they didn't spell the way. You know the retired receiver. The Way He. Actually spelled it. So you knew that it was phony. but. Abe Frohmann the sausage. King. OF OF CHICAGO. Yeah Hip Six. Oh, nine for one, hundred, fifty, thousand. NYQUIST. Out of reason. Just makes you laugh. There's somebody there's somebody that signs. As As. Gus, mccrae. And I always wanted to find out from lonesome dove. And I. Haven't seen it. I think I might have seen it. Maybe maybe last year, but somebody somebody has signed as as Augusta's mccray. Number of times. The sausage, the sausage King of Chicago active at At facing yesterday. Pretty. Good. Otherwise, you know it was interesting I some of those, some of those siblings that we mentioned yesterday and one that I did not check how the reinvestment risk. How the reinvestment risk. Sold. And I'll have to look that one up So I don't know if we're GONNA get the Nicole she. She's she's been elusive but solid day again. Yesterday at Phase. So, and I'll I'll look at the Haven't looked really at the today's. You. Know some of today's sibling. Now actually I look quickly. I. See the there's a candy right Philly. That's Out of ICEBOXES DAMN. So I have to icebox talked to nick yesterday. There's a Mo- Heyman Colt today hip eight, forty four. got stormies brother. And thaw the Jackie's warrior. Today that Hillen Dale is going to sow an Hillen sales got some very notable. Baby's going through today. And this is Jackie's warrior. Half by Candy Reid Philly. That's About mid mid part of the sale today nine, eighty, five. And Those. Yeah. There you go. There's the. The most Noticed easily noticeable. Names and. It's actually a gun. Runner is a run brother to pretty and cool. She was nice and. An honor. Code Colt. Who is the brother of Cyber Secret? So Lynn withing. The late. Great. Lynn Whiting Right Cyber secret for Mr Salad. The not mistaken. And I and I think Pennsylvania. Brad Cyber. Secret. Slip that it. So there you go a couple of other pedigree or sale type. News and notes from yesterday. there was. A deal made for for gun avair after we had mentioned. After we had mentioned. The other day. That he was retiring. And pleasant acres. kind of figured that he would that he would end up in. In Florida that made that made plenty of sense obviously and He'll go to To, pleasant acres six thousand dollars. The Sun dialed in. Going to bear I saw that Firepower as well. WE'LL, slip higher, power it and after he. Wraps up. Of course. Readying for the. The. Classic Higher Power Is GonNa go to Darby Dan. And he'll stay up for ten thousand. Starting. Next year. Higher Power and there was one more. Not, a not A. Stallion deal but giant expectations. Retired, and the fact that was when he came up a couple of weeks last week I. Think About The New York bread. that would have to go back and forth from California that Yeah it was we were getting ready for the we were getting ready for the the showcase, they the empire showcase and. We're thinking about giant expectations. Mate one point three, million. One the PAT O'Brien. Won The San Antonio faced. A lot of good ones and. kind of a kind of a fun. Kind of a fun horse we talked many times the Peter written about giant expectations. Rant. And say what did ranch parts of five years? Two, three, four, five, six. Jain expectations. Frost giant and in fact, it may have been. If frost giant had that splashy was that was that his first crop member when frost giant had that splashy? Start. And They're hoping to. Make a stallion. Arrangement for him. And? He's available for viewing. Peter. When we get a chance to talk to Peter after after breeders couple. Anybody come into anybody come into Kentucky. You know the there's an there is one other story before we take the break Pete for not gonNA join US next. The the news that Coming out of the Santa Anita season and. In A. Lot Of. Appreciation for how safe? And you know the the way things went. Being very much celebrated by everybody that. contributed. I the one proviso because I see a lot of. Hissy a lot of. Conversation about. A why isn't the why isn't the media covering this? He gotta be very careful. It we've learned over the last ten years. You gotta be very careful. You cannot make. This kind of achievement internally and amongst know the owners and the horsemen and the staff and the supervisory. That Marion's the regulatory, VATS and everybody. contributes. To a success like this. Everybody can be very proud of themselves. Management everybody. But you cannot. Use this as some sort of A. Marketing. Gimmick or as A. You know look at what we did you. Can't do it. Because you're inviting. Disaster you're courting. Disaster doing this. Because as we know from the variety of spates of incidents. There are. Mitigating factors that are out of a lot of control and so you you just. You just don't. Tempt fate I. It's it's not. Every. Can feel great about making this happen and. You know and you. Say a quiet. Quiet prayer to yourself and you know you move on and you've pulp that you can do it again and you can do it. You know wherever? Every single meet at every single venue. But I trying to. Trying to market it. Is. Ill advised just. Because you don't know when. No matter how cautious don't know when conditions are going to. Shift and. You get. You GET A it's it's chaotic number theory. For those that. Those that are roulette players. If you spin the wheel, ten, thousand times, the numbers come up. Spread out evenly in a short burst. You might get one number, four times. I it's. Just, there's too many moving parts. On this topic so Case, I guess we'll stay and. We'll just take a top of the hour break before recurring joins us, and so you could reach for we can reach for Pete, I want him to talk about We talked to rose about. and. We'll? Get A. Daily. Breeders, Cup Prep, and and approach conversation in want to have that as much as possible before we start to. Before we start to Handicap. In earnest. The. While we wait for I'll slip in also a couple of spots today. Ed gave you. Ed gave you a snowman in the sixth day. At Churchill. The seventh. Seven interesting it's A. And I check the weather it doesn't look like they've gotten their getting more rain today. but. Mile and a sixteenth maiden on the grass, and there's a very notable. Pedigree in here. IF HE's ready American patrol an American Pharaoh for Judd Mont Out of soothing touch and of course Emollient fans will recognize that name Hochberg fans. Sibling of Berg and court TA and emollient American patrol and and Nice string works for pairing. Nice has been a churchill. Really straight through since the summer. Friendly outsiders horses in here again, to repo rocks who tried to get on the grass at Saratoga. And it got rained off. But Repo in your two for for Belmont and for Lee but American patrol eight to one. There's also Laker Mamba for Gary Barber and Markazi. Fifty three to one second start. Tried to get on the grass, but cut rained off in. September. Laker Mamba. A NYQUIST Adam. The bridal song mayor disturbingly hot. This is a half to Jerome Avenue and gotta go. So and also in Wilkes on the rail inkata's. This is a half the gentle ruler, the Nice steaks stakes. Runner. Roenick is cold. And Has Been just okay. has been kind of just. GotTa gotTa step it up a little bit. has been fifth eighth seven feet, four, five, and four. So I don't know what what he's GonNa do to shake shake up and Cantatas but. That's another player five to one and Dale's got low mo-. for Priscilla Jones in partners, and this is an uncle mo out of. The Nice Cs Royce of Dale's that The partners Frank shoop involved in this too They campaigned CS. Royce together. So this is the two year old Colt also tried to get on the grass. In that, same. Racist Laker Mamba. So Nice Group of Maidens looks like there might be something might be some things to consider there's also a mile three eighths grass allowance. For phillies. And mayors goes as the ninth today at Churchill. So some good between Indiana and Churchill Than Belmont comes back tomorrow we'll talk to bill downs next our. Before a Joining us now Pete Good Morning. Good, morning to you my friend, how are things not so bad so bad like I would like to. We'd like to break this chain of of of wet weather and. After after a great summer lots of turf and. We've hit a little. We've had a little bit of a skit here but Hopefully, we could still get. A few more weeks. Or? got. A certain style as a writer and I you know one thing I think he does better than anybody is rate on the lead and then could you just completely got the field? On the turn and make everybody's panic and chase I i. he does that as well as anybody I think I've ever seen. Yeah I agree with that he does and it's a they seem to relax for them on TV always has horst left, but it's great than most of the time he breaks shop puts them in. The game. Mean Mary in fact, there's there's an example for turf player. I know the Todd, you know we talked to todd around the time that That holiday was ended up having to miss. The assignment was that at that? WAS IT Keeneland? He's doing. Okay. Yeah he's doing. Well, he worked well a couple of times since then so he's you know all as well right now and it was just the way it goes in our business. We kind of went there for Holiday Inn sat mom he didn't make it and only want five other graded stakes. So it was just bad. The leave again sounds pretty. Well, this is really a hell of a lineup maximum security. How would they mean Mary Sarah Getty Empress Leinster easy rocket, Manziel Leo the to juvenile's the you won't be surprised at all if you sweep the juvenile races, essential quality and simply ravishing. Yeah, it's very hard to win one race and we don't want to get gradient. He's not yet wanNA BREEDERS Cup race. So one win over the weekend would be great. Anything actor that would. Be. Great. Well you mentioned. You mentioned Chadwell, and until I, prepared to talk to you about your BC moments. It had never occurred to me that you're three Breeders Cup wins. We're all for shop well. I know it's very interesting. We would've lock to win out as for other people, but it was all three or Chadwell. Colors Rahall three and and is very great relationship over twenty five years that we had together. So it was a very rewarding for all of us on the team. McLaughlin. Team to win three races, Shiekh Hamdan and Chadwell. So wish would've won for other people but it's great that we won those three percent. Yesterday was the thirteenth anniversary of Lahud's Win and that was one certainly that you know came as as as a surprise. I had suggested I thought in fact that that she was even a longer price than she was but when I pulled up the chart, she was twelve to one talk about that win and you had had her. Since what probably the the spring she must come to you that year. And it was the weather was. Unbelievable, never in America would we and run on tour with that much rain I remember talking to the racing manager in England and he said if she likes it yielding real often. Were here now, and I spoke to Nichols with shad well, and he said let leader over there were ready to last right? So. I give him credit for China to ask me get in Garden City or the flower bowls flower bowl before the grade one at Belmont it got in that way and she won that and then went on to win the Breeders Cup but it was terrible conditions, but it worked out well for. And if I'm if I'm I, didn't watch the replay the yesterday no Alan Garcia had her but I didn't she come up the inside Yeah. That's a good question. Yeah. She did and Alan feel good rod. I just remember her sneaking up and she got by And wait a while for for Todd, and she wins twelve to one, and of course. The before we talk in Vizor we're GONNA listen to invesotors win as well. But it talk about the advent caring for you when it came to getting horses ready and and how breeders. Cup. From the time, you first started in on the business and working for verb the Wayne and. How you approached. The year. End, Opportunity. Yes, it's very important and and over the years you would learn to two point for the Breeders Cup and work yourself backwards and make sure you had proper timing for your horses to give them their best chance to win and then certain things would happen and you miss some time for different reasons like Alex. Halliday this year for todd similarly I had it happen within vizor missed is this final prep and and it was three months between starts not ideal so you always have to be ready for. Plan a plan B. and plan C. and and sometimes no plan you have to go and hope for the best but we always tried to point for breeders. Cup. Giving their best chance to back up from their weather was a three week crapper six with prep and and hope for the best. How much and the year Shadwell Association and also Godolphin makes me. Wonder how much of the planning and how much of a focus as well as it you know we know that you know certainly both operations will will send international some of their international horses over as well but. For for. Shaykh Muhammad and and for for shake Hamden how you know how how did they view the Breeders Cup opportunities? That was what we Be appointed for every year with them. You know the Kentucky Derby huge and the Breeders Cup is huge and grade. One wins are so important championship honours or so important. So everybody in the industry pointing that way. But certainly the mock tombs to make stallions and they had their eyes on those big days for sure. I'm just looking at. I think. Was Was it do Monte that was your first your first Breeders Cup started. That's a good question but most likely. Yeah back in. Ninety five, ninety, six, ninety, six, and then. Soviet line. Ninety ninety-seven. Yeah. demonte won the Chadwell Mall Back to back years with Julie Krone but it wasn't the Geogra- mile then. Breeders Cup Prep Qinglin Breeders Cup race I'm not sure the name of it. Now, and and then I mean as says, the century turned he started to have a parade and you know it's interesting. You had a lot of turf starters early on and then you then some very nice juvenile's and I. I. I don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa talk about. A. Frustrating Start or or Breeders Cup disappointment but I will mention one horse that that I of yours that I always loved and that was Henny us and. You know that that Breeder's cup. Sprint. Race that you there's just everything asked to go perfect and. If ever you'd like to have had one over I'm sure it was any in that spirit. Yeah he just he just had a bad day and didn't show up really nothing right voice there. We kinda surprising and it didn't work out but a few hours later we were happy again pursue. Well He he had a terrible start right He. He's yeah. Break flat-footed. Yeah. He didn't break and it just wasn't. I don't know what happened on the day just was he just wasn't himself that day we work. You know we're scratching our head afterwards. Well the good any The good. Beats that field and and I'd forgotten actually that he was second in the juvenile the year before. Yes and we that's when we received just like three weeks before the the Breeders Cup juvenile when he was two from Patrick biancone shake Rosh it ship mom older son had purchased him and lock them with Patrick and then we picked him up just before the Breeders Cup and finished second and then went back to Dubai and then we brought him back the next. Who? Talk about inventory, we're GONNA listen to the call but I I'm sure if there was a way for us to if we got too much of of our two thousand and six the the two thousand, six editions of the show are on our on DVD's. Or CDs from from you know back then and. He's got some of them, but some have also been lost and you and I care and I can remember you know we talked so many times as invesotors season was unfolding. Including his bursting on the scene in the PIMLICO special. Yes, is very special whore then and we took him to. and. It didn't go great there and came back to the PIMLICO special and again I give Rick Nicholls credits. We were GONNA run in a lesser race and he said, why don't we try the big race that let's see where we stand and I you know I thought it was gonna be too tough but Ramon Dominguez wrote in that day and we won and we kept winning from then on and Ramon had. Had to take off in the suburban the next race, and that's when Nando hard on him because he won on jazz or the Belmont like three weeks before that was my June tenth to July first and so I spoke to Rick About Winning Jockey 'cause Ramon has to go to California for the American oaks and he's what's wrong with Fernando Har, it's okay. Great. We'll do. For Nando got lucky and got on and went on and won every time he wrote in after that. that included, of course, the suburban then the Whitney win, which was an absolute thriller and yesterday. Nick Zito was on Karen and if Nick is listening now he's he's he's kicking the cat over in vizor because everytime masseur was winning big races was beating Nick. It was a very close when it said Talgo, close. In the closest race. The APP. The Sun King exactly by a nose and you would beaten wild desert and dramas hero in the suburban and wandering boy in the in the PIMLICO special. Crazy then came. The Whitney after the Whitney came the Breeders Cup and Talk about the preparations between Saratoga and you mentioned that you missed the prep of Rafi Crop. The Goal Cup, and it was that week you spike the temperature and it was luckily, you know it wasn't terrible but it was just terrible timing like Tuesday Monday Tuesday of of the race week and we had to treat him and miss the race so we had to. Change our tactics and train a little bit more aggressively and further and and he showed up anyway it didn't matter he. He was just that good horse. He overcame you know pry. Train them and and having hiccups here and there, but he was a great horse and. And he overcame a lot to win the Breeders Cup off but I think we months off. Well and there. It was. Where was where was the incident? Karen. That I'M GONNA pop in my head at the top of the stretch where. He went bouncing off the rail and. Clipped heels and and was that lady. That was the Dawn Okay Don. I was with Aaron, my daughter standing the grant thousand. Whoops. We won't be able to win this one for their. Boom. That here he came again is he was amazing horse and Great Memories. Well, this for those that don't remember the field and the story line despite industry you're coming in. With a string of of wins at the likes of you know, three grade ones in a row into the classic. He's going to go off almost seven to one and the matchup of of Chadwell versus Godolphin or I think be probably he was wearing Maroon. So it was Darlie at the time. If I'm not mistaken with Bernard Dini. Talk about that part of it care and I don't think we've ever talked about the brothers facing off. Yeah, the brothers face off Bailey around the world. and. They're very, very close but they're still competitiveness between them all and they root for each other but it was an unbelievable race to win that race per se beaten Bernardini and It was just unbelievable and everybody was happy. Even shake shake muhammed sons. We're in the winner's circle and they represented shea com on their Churchill. So it was kind of NEAT and I was lucky to be able to keep training for off and after beating Bernardini because he was worth so much. That field and I'm I'm just looking at the chart now and There's one horse that was in this and it makes me remember. TAT goofy advertising campaign, they were trying to make it Bernardini versus lava man remember that that was a. They were trying to create like a boxer You know. Kind of a scenario and. Seem seems unnecessary putting together. You know a twelve the Horse Thirteen Horsfield you know considering Giacomo. was in there and premium tap and George Washington came over lawyer Ron. You mentioned Sun King Flower. Trying to defend there was. There was a lot. There was a lot of quality to this field. Yes, what whatever they're trying to do it it helps. With promoting and they were trying to make it in east coast west coast, but they had their own horse. Exactly you're. Not the not to take away from Sami Drowning. At Bernardini's terrific career. Some thoughts you know it coming back to Churchill as well I mean that had to be have to be kind of Nice the for you that the keeneland obviously wasn't in the mix as a Breeders Cup site but you know the opportunity. You know to to run. More obviously more than just him as you mentioned. But you know talk about for you were coming to Kentucky and the chance to win. Yeah, it was great. You know back then it was fabulous I mean the biggest win a my training career was. In before in the World Cup in Dubai because of shake com on being there, and so we were taken back there after winning the Cup classic and the Don Handicaps and hit for him to be on the couch watching him when there and me and my family spending ten years there you know living there it was just a fabulous wins. So He's a very special forks. Well the you know of course winning this race at Churchill to the certain you know a certain amount of pleasure. Having, come. So close the year before in the Derby with closing argument, and so getting, you know what is any the Breeders Cup classic anywhere but at Churchill and you know knowing you know knowing how you know how big? These kinds an opportunity Makes it you know makes it special? We're going to listen to the two thousand and six Breeders Cup classic at Churchill downs the member fourth two, thousand and six Fernando Hara aboard into store for Karen. McLaughlin and Chadwell. Raw from the. downspouts. As the greatest. Fails Saturday way lawyer Roy in the white in the middle of media makes threats to the law matters right dead. Guy Beautiful Brother Derek Steichen a stronghold down at the riots alongside of incomes premium tap. They could be much speed on learning year on the outside. Yes. Now around keeping them honest. Dini's. Six off now being fought by George Washington six, hundred meters in the sewer racing alongside a swamp.

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Damien Woody is an England Fan

The Nat Coombs Show

29:42 min | 3 months ago

Damien Woody is an England Fan

"Hello welcome to the show on. Espn good to be back to have you with us. Gang drop in episodes can cost like a promised. Well one this week or next week as well. Keep your eyes peeled. The ben is back in our college days. We're gonna get into all kinds of big college stories. In particular the muse breaking that players can now make money out of their own images can do sponsorship deals commercials all kinds of things that episode college days. Drop in next week to keep your eyes peeled for that but today this week it is all about a two time superbowl chap ton. Espn analyst really excited. That he is making his debut on the show lots to get into with him. So let's get straight down to business with the brilliant damien woody. We have a two time superbowl winner in the house debut. Woody here's the thing right. Great to see first of human era. And i worked together a lot and it is a contractual obligation. Every time that. I have to introduce him as a two time. Superbowl widow with you. Hugh insist on any show. You're on that has to be drafted. No no i don't want insist on. That is something that is something that brings a smile to my face. It's a huge accomplishment. But i'm not gonna i'm not gonna force that on anyone contractual who was no contractual obligation or anything like that. But it's nice to be mentioned. We're gonna do it each time. You're on. That's mike guarantee to you right here right now straight off the bat. We're going to drop that in his well. First things first west. The red fur coat. Steve gets to read for listen. It's been hot out here man. It's in the closet right now but listen if if people want me to bring it back out i'm bringing back out but right now in the closet i think the fans demand that but fat play. If it's if it's thirty five degrees centigrade. Probably not the best. The best weather for that next time. You're in london though. None the weather is perfect for that. I will definitely bring it to london. We've got a lot to chat about. Of course we are. nfl show. But i want a leadoff with the euros because england or in the final. The country's going crazy about it. You'll go crazy about as well as senior twitter feed and you're all across the euro so which way you're leaning for sunday's big is it coming home you know. I think it's definitely man. I think it's coming home to england. And you know. I'm not i'm kind of a novice when it comes to you know football football in europe but just the excitement that that you know that that in england. Uk is having with with their team. And obviously italy in up in the form of this should be a heck of a heck of a finals. But i'm leaning towards detonate and it's coming back home in england. I got two kids. Two boys who who's first conscious memory of tournament was the world cup right four years ago now three years ago. Do my math right. Three years ago where we made the semifinal now. They think it's like this. Every time. I keep telling this every time. That's right that's right a patriots fan. I guess right always winning. You're winning championships. My young kids like oh dan. This happens all the time. No no this is not happen every time. Another rig here we go. So i like you a light. Your confidence factor behind us. I guess things are looking up for and things are for new york sports as well. Because that's the other thing i wanted to ask you about. Your an island is fan and speed of your your twitter feed. There is a video of you presumably from the playoffs. This year or the island is our heartbreak. Sorry to bring it up. You love your hockey mad at us about that. You actually started in two thousand nineteen i was. You know what's funny about our sitting back on the couch watching the jets play and they were just awful they. Will you know the whole sports scene in new york was awful and i actually tweeted that and i had a fan one of my fans came onto. Hey d- would not the islanders islands at the time on a non game winning streak and they were the only team in the new york area. That was winning and then the islanders chimed in like. Hey you need to come check out a gay man so we connected. And then i went on checked out a game against the toronto maple leafs and then from that point forward i was hooked you so get saint for me in the sense that i hadn't seen hockey in up close and posner in technicolor until i was at the must've been minnesota to minnesota years back as came. I saw once he go to a game live. It's it is all sports at different light but hockey especially totally different isn't it is is tell people all the time. Go to a game. You have a real appreciation for the game because of the speed of the game. You see these guys who are pretty big guys and just how they're moving on the ice and and you know it's not like football where you know a play last on average six seconds then you stop you huddle you know and then you get back at it again. Hockey is is constantly move and nothing that it's people love that type of action. Give a fancy yourself as i'll keep it. Listen i listen. I've told the people with some of the play them like. Listen if you need to be god there and be a goon and go. Wow nights can be that guy would the other the other stuff. I can't do that yet. I keep about ten gig. Isn't it. well. Let's get to see new exports in a good place as well because the net soco's all-star fell short in the playoffs but they will be backed and the knicks bounce back year for them as well the mets ago and well so yeah things looking up for new york sports right absolutely man always say that when when when sports going really good new york you know good for everybody and see the you know the both basketball teams doing well is great. City was on the city with literally on fire. Win win basketball during the playoffs when bottle teams will play and obviously the mets are doing really really well then the yankees on hand. They need to pick up the pace. They're not doing so well right now but again when new york sports is doing well man. There's just nothing like it. It really is things things. Look it up on that. But that's great too. It's like it's good to catch up. They appreciate your time and few stories. I wanna get into that. I guess oh pa into some big narratives going into the season right. So let's start with with the cowboys on hard knocks right. That's the big story in the last week it's hard knocks a curse first things first because looking at the looking at the stats in the last six years of hard knocks. Only one teams made it to the playoffs. If you even know if you're a cowboys fatty thinking man. Why why are you doing this to us. Well listen i was. I was in hard notchback in two thousand ten dollars worth of jetson and rex ryan and we had a great top. You know one thing. That rex ryan said the tomba's look embrace it. Let's have fun with it and less. Let's establish them identities along the way and the whole crew would the whole hard knocks crew which is a nfl films. They did a tremendous job of just blended in. You didn't really know like all those cameras were around. They did a tremendous job and we ended up in the afc championship game. We had a really good season. So i just think it's. It's a mentality. If you embrace it and have fun with it. I think good things can happen for you. So what you when. You're in the middle of it. And of course. These guys is use have pros. And how have been rolling a franchise for years so that they know how to. I guess year on year. Get better at blending into everything. But you've got to be aware of right. How long does it take when the ramp said d. chewed and not realize their. Oh you always slightly conscious of it. Well listen listen to it. A lot of cameras around. So you see them. But it's not to the point where you know. They're kind of like like pests. Like getting on your nerves. They're not they make it a point of yes we hear. But we don't wanna be the story. We don't want to be a distraction to you guys. We want to. We want to catch you guys. we want to. We want to make you make you guys out into the best light and they just do such a great job of of begin blending in and finding those really good storylines and and just making things entertaining so again you recognize the camera because this a boatload of production people and camera people but it's not overbearing or anything that it interferes with what you're trying to do in training camp. He play up to a bit thing. While i'm gonna change when the cameras that let the way you'll mike top. I guess you're you know you're aware of a camera during a game. You get a ton on a little bit up a bit. Yeah yeah and listen again. I'm gonna people rex ryan it like have fun with it so that was the biggest thing and they wouldn't even tell you you know when you miked up. Whatever you know. Feel free to show your personality frill. Feel free to let let go. Because they'll edit out whatever needs to be edited out in and i just know in my case. I was on hard nuts. That was they did a great job. They actually fill you know me and my family. Outside of football field did a tremendous with that and and overall they do a great job of just capture capturing your personality and just capturing those moments during training camp so again. I think the cowboys didn't should embrace it and and just roll with it. It's great for us as fans of course because the cowboys are such an intriguing prospect this season. We know with doc back. The offense is going to be bowling. So many pieces there and zeke's a lot to prove and everyone's written him off and it's taking shots at him might not be the same line of yesteryear you know but still overall we think this offense is gonna get a bull but what about the defense is really an unknown quasi so many faces somebody young players as well. That's the that's the wildcard aspect. Isn't it or listen. There's only they can only get better. I mean they were unsure last year. You know when. I will watch the dallas couple of defense you get. You got nauseous watching them on. And so i think i think dallas cowboys is going to be. They're going to be a lot better on data. Quinn atlanta atlanta falcons. Head coach is no defense coordinator. He up listen. He was an assistant coach when the jets my first year. This guy knows how to teach. So i think he's going to do a really good job of simplifying the defense and just letting those guys play. They spent a lot of draft capital on a defense out of football and So i expect the dallas cowboys defense to play a lot better. I'm not. I'm not saying they're going to be the eighty five bears or anything like that. But i think they're going to be much improved and if the cowboys defense is much improved. Boy the cowboys. This cowboys team is going to be really fun to watch the dangerous proposition. Yeah that they can can can pick it up. I guess you mentioned dan quinn. He's going to have a point to prove to the way it went down at atlanta. I guess mike mccarthy does as well zeke mentioned definitely does that keep it because once get to be like he comes back so that that collectively there are a lot of big names in that mix of points approve this yet. You say all that. That's the beauty of hard nuts. Look at the story lines that you just ripped off from dan. Quinn the new defensive coordinator. Mike mccarthy it can can he get the cowboys back to kind of glorious. What we call dak prescott coming off injury z. Is he is. Are we going to see the zico. There's so many storylines that's going to be shown in hard knocks. And i think that's why this she is going to be appealing to a lot of fans. Okay cowboys playoff team or not. Call it right now. Yes yes. I got the cowboys winning primary. Yes i got the cowboys win. The nfc east primarily because they have the best quarterback in the division. You know everyone talks about the washington football. I'm going to watch. The football team is a really good team. They got a really good defense. Really good deep is one of the best defense in the league They added some pieces on offense. Curtis samuel came from the carolina panthers but again when you had the best quarterback in a division that gives you an leg up and i think between dad coming back Pieces on the office align coming back this year. I think that's gonna be enough to get the dallas cowboys the edge as far as winning the division. Yeah i liked that. I liked that that call. I mean i guess as well the nfc east among the week divisions in the asc's your old stomping grounds for both the patriots and the jets probably one of the strongest divisions in in the nfl right. Now you know the afc. I think is going to be a lot of fun. It's a strong division You know i would say the favorite right now at buffalo. Listen the way that the culture in buffalo is fantastic. Josh allen quarterback is one of the best in the league. He really took a huge step boy last year. And what's playing in buffalo when you were a patriot. What was it like. That's a tough place to go. I guess listen that's state. That's a raucous stadium. They have some really good fans of buffalo and they just got a really good team. They didn't they didn't really add any outside pieces. They just kept their team together. Right which is really really good and then obviously you know the the new england patriots added a bunch of guys in free agency. You know it had to hurt bill belichick to wash. Tom brady down in tampa and his first. You go out there and win a super bowl. So the patriots reloaded. They're going to be back in the mix and then the miami dolphins won ten games last year on the. Everybody wants to see what to talk about low. It's gonna look like with some new weapons on offense and then obviously we talked about the jets with the new regime that they had with rob asala and and they got a bunch of guys coming over the just going to be much improved this year so that division is going to be fun to watch. Let's start with with the past that we break that down a little bit. Because you're right. Johnny smith onto henry nelson agrelo on offense jalen mills. Coming in on. Defense matt judas. Have you established. Nfl players coming these guys that would all ton up and deliver straight away. But one of the deals i want to ask you about david. Andrews getting reupped because of course that's a physician you know all about right as you would touch on the often. We get obsessed in free agency with the new shiny new acquisitions right and forget about the the smart deals that it'd be dumb plays. You've already gotten making sure that that protected. What do you make of that deal. How what do you. What do you think do rate. David andrews is one of the strongest centers in the nfl. Listen i think. Would you would david andrews guy who's been really good for a while and continuity the matrix. You know they went out. They traded for trent brown who was with the patriots before they're often tackle. He went out to old clint. They traded brought him back to new england new orleans one and a half won a best offer alliance in the league and so when you look at the patriots particular offense cam. Newton didn't have the best of years last year for a lot of reasons cold. Did you know no no all season training camp. But i think the pages really upgraded his weapons around him. The officer line is really strong. They got a really good running game. And so there's no reason why cam newton should shouldn't have a bounce back year and then you know looking on a defense out of the football. We talked about the additions that they may. You know you know outside line. They added a bunch of guys outside linebacker from the baltimore ravens. Who on over judah on yes but they also got bad guys who opted out last right. That's going to be you know that's going to be big like hot tower. You know they did heart and soul defense. He's going to be back so this is a patriots team. That's that's going to bear watching. Because i think the patients going to be right back in the mix again this year. I've one hundred percent with you on that. I think they get. I think cam that's going to be such a fascinating narrative if he can really bounce back and i think that going to be a playoff site and kiel harry though. It looks like he won't be a patriot by the look of it. Really interesting story this just really the way it's gone down. His agent jamal tucson released a statement which is n- already pulling any punches formally requesting a trade amongst the quotes in this statement through two seasons. His agent says in kielce at six targets which obviously hasn't met the expectations the patriots and in gila had when they drafted a dominant down blah blah blah. It was a first round pick. Everybody raise their eyebrows betta. Check to receive a fuss. He hasn't hasn't worked out but he surprised that he's looking to cut and run given everything we just talked about or i think he sees a writing on the wall and you know the patriots they go out and they signed elsag law mig on son kendrick born wirelessly from san francisco forty niners and so he's looking at a situation probably light. Listen i've been here. I've been here for four for a couple of years now. It hasn't worked out for for whatever reason it is and the patriots. They signed a couple couple of guys in free agency. So i think you know from the kills haired standpoint. He's probably thinking you know what i need. I need i need a change of scenery i need. I need something to kind of maybe jump. Start my career again. And he's looking at the opportunity of our rather this go down before training camp so i get what the new team and learn offense and have an opportunity and training camp going into the regular season as tough. Because i guess it's changed. In in recent years that receives seem to be able to hit the ground running as rookies much more than they used to and he had so much hype around him. Right and you look at all these other receives the last couple of years of blown up in their first or second year. But he's had you just said come out nothing around last year right and the before. That's why brady alexina first base right. That was really enough around sympathize. A bit within kia but i thought that was interesting to to to roll out and the jets. You mentioned the jets. Wanted to ask you here. Is the new coaching situation. Because you had that in detroit my right when you detroit yet. New coaches coming in you had your incoming ingredient to understand what that's like is a player and how you approach that as a play when a new sheriff in town you listen you know when you when your team hasn't won a lot you know. In recent years the hardest thing to do is change the culture and the one thing i will say about. The jets is for the first time in a while. They seem like they have everybody in saint from ownership to front office to the head coach. You know over the past two years with the jets. They've had kind of these arranged marriages between the general manager and head coach and those things tend to never work out the way it should be but now the first time probably since i was with the new york jets. They have everything in line. The way it's supposed to be and robert saw you know can't comes from san francisco forty niners defense coordinator probably the most highly coveted coordinator in in kind of in the job market an off season and i just got a really good one. I really do from all all that. you know. Every play that. I've talked to in that organization and and i'm pretty close with that organization. They all rave about him his energy and and just the scheme all the things that he's implementing in that for that team those guys are raving about it. They got some young guys. That are really really good. And so i. I don't think they wanna make the playoffs. But i think they'll get. The ship turned it in the right direction this year. Okay that i think really underpins toughest division. Football is a shout for that accolade. The afc east detroit. We mentioned another one are your former teams. This was interesting. Jared goff coming out this week and talking about the coaching team around now detroit. He said i've had former players coach me in the past. But never this many. He's got antwan randle el ju- staley and campbell. Obviously actually lens in the mix as well and goff said all these guys have done a high level playing it so it's easy to communicate easy for them to understand it from plays viewed as a player. How important do you think that is that. You'll coach played the game at high level. Well listen. I think i think it's important. I don't think it's the indull bill because you know i played under the greatest head coach in. Nfl history. He didn't he didn't play in the national football league. But i do think. I do get some credence to it. Because as a player when you're on the field and you're seeing seeing a game those same coaches can see the game the way you see it. Because they've been there done that they can relate to you as a player. So i think that staff and detroit is a really good staff. I was teammates with dan. Campbell in detroit right. I mean this guy very fiery bernhard schmidt got. I believe that clearly. It's like a person cat that clearly shows in his press conferences. But i think they did a really good job assembling a really good coaching staff. And the one thing that the one thing i can tell you about detroit they're gonna hit you them out that that's the thing you look at. They're going to hit you in the mouth and on both sides of the ball. So i think detroit is shortage on their way into rebuilding mode. But i think the coaches stab. They got the right staff in place when he saw that press coverage cab was prescott when he was introduced as the lion's head coach. I guess what surprised that he took that approach not at all. Do you like it. Because he criticized by a fair number of people say that's an old school approach. And but i guess he really divided opinion people loved it. I loved it but some people criticizing this twenty twenty one. What's going on in the. Nfl should be doing that. What what did you think of it. No i see. I liked it because i know dad again. I was teammates with dad in detroit. That's who he is. He's always a pet. He's always been a passionate guy. He's gone whereas emotions honestly and he's not to hold back and i've always say when it comes to coaching. Be who you are. Don't be somebody you're not. you're not you know somebody you. You're not be who you are. And that's one thing about dan campbell. That people have seen so far. Is that is the authentic dan campbell. He's not going to bite his tongue. He's gonna he's going to say what's on his mind and play respect that from a player perspective. That's all we want. We want guys to be authentic. And that's what dan campbell is no that no doubt about that. He's one hundred percent authentic. What he said detroit ever much to rebuilding side anything. We think they're going to be a playoff side. But interesting setup. Interesting coaching set-up. As well that dynamism of i guess positively around a franchise that has had a difficult time in recent years. Jared goff is is the player that really stands out for me at the moment because here he is a couple of years of from a super bowl and being one of the the the shining lights in the nfl again. He's a player on to written off. That suddenly gets bounced it out of la into a difficult situation. Where you on gough. Do you think he could surprise people with with a bounce back year. I think it's going to be a little. It's going to be a little rough. You know the detroit lions they you know. They lost like kenny gala. Day right on a free agency to to to the new york giants and this team is clearly. They're kind of in rebuild mode. But the one thing i'll say about jerry golfing and the detroit lions the shorelines gonna build is thing the right way. They got they got a bunch draft picks from that trade with matthew stafford. You saw this for the first pit. They directly kit. Out of oregon. The the officer tackle. They're gonna make sure office and line. It's right they will make sure jerry. Goff is protected. They can run the ball. And i think dan campbell. Simplest thing the right way to more questions for you before we let ego team that is going to surprise a lot of people this season that not enough people are talking about. I'm gonna say. The los angeles chargers the los angeles charges our team. That people should be talking about a lot. More about justin. Herbert had maybe the best rookie season from from From the quarterback position that we've seen they have a bunch of talent. I thought they knocked out apart as far as the drafting for. Abc addressing off the line which will probably the biggest weakness you know going into the off season they did a tremendous job addressing off of the line they have weapons on the outside canaan allen mike williams defensively they got one i think just from a talent perspective they got one best ross's defensively in the national football league their head coach bryan staley coast up the number one defense in the league last year with the los angeles rams so he's bringing that back then they're getting back derwin james this year german james is when he's healthy he's one of the best players in the league period and so i just think the loss rams mean los angeles charges our team that a lot of people should be talking more about love that pick and the flip side the team that you feel is baps over hyped going into the season wow team this over height is it. The browns browse listen. I liked the bones of loved around brought the browns roster. Here's what i will say when you're a team. That's the hunted now. You're not the hunter. You're the hunted. They're real expectations for the browns. And i'm talking about there. Are people talking about super bowl. The browns can they handle that. This is a team that wasn't far removed from being own sixteen worst team in the league. Now we're talking about the cleveland browns and the light of you know maybe a team that represents afc and a super bowl so there's a lot of talk a lot of hybrid. The cleveland browns. Let's see if they can live up to the height is such a great point. At that moment. You have success. Old changes right to say if you're an actor if you're recording is you got to follow it up. It's a difficult difficult next gay rights as great to catch up. Hey speaking of recording artists gotta ask you about the piano in the background. How often does that get get it. Get if you will listen. I've had a piano for a while. Like i'm a newbie. Piano concern now my son. He's actually the piano player so he's gets more work out of it than i do but i gotta catch up some ground because i said one of these days. I'm gonna play the piano on on on on one of my shows lives so i'm working on that all right. Hopefully he gets her practice the next time. You're on our show at least a quick number. I'd love to absolutely. I would love it. Great sketch with you and thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having me on lobby. Tougher damian like. I said at the top of the show. We're back next week with college days. Ben isaacs in the house. Lots of contact getting pushed out as ever on social media at the nc show. Facebook instagram twitter. You'll get to see piano if you check out those channels. Go follow us. And watch the video props to tom molly. And the crew for all their work over on social get involved. 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[096] Theyll be wiping their tears with their terrible towels

Buccaneers Observer

45:13 min | 2 years ago

[096] Theyll be wiping their tears with their terrible towels

"To win a championship first thing we gotta do is eliminate. Are you go. You got to be an learning state to become a better player. Every day. All accolades will come when you win. We gotta be fundamentally sound blocking and tackling and protective football we take away we run the ball and we have stopped the run smart fast physical especially in the fourth quarter. That's when you get there. Defend every blade of grass goes. You never know what's gonna complacency kills. I don't need to get any better. I'm good. I got my spot on the roster. I'm good that will kill you. Kill us being accountable to each other. That's that's a team now. Now what's our goal ring on her finger. Welcome to the buccaneers observer podcast phillips august eighth two two thousand and nineteen thirty one days to kick off. Well you know actually tomorrow is the first preseason game we'll go woke. The steelers lers we really are. We're going to be in the press conference. Bruce arians was asked what he expects out of this first preseason game uh win. He said that's why we play the game. Yeah absolutely none of this. Preseason doesn't matter nonsense. That's right matter yeah. You know you. You get that mentality going that. Winning is what matters if you go into a game even if it's preseason going it doesn't matter under the carries over absolutely and that's when you see teams that quit later in the season when you don't really have anything played for which is what we've been doing for the past decade looking slightly. He got any follow perfect. Checks assure dole. We were absolutely perfect. I thought there was something there was one thing that you were supposed to look up but you you didn't deal at maybe next time how it wasn't i can't. I thought that when tom brady tom brady i don't remember back and listen to the podcast and how many cocktails depor tonight okay. We're sitting here watching. We watch the elena falcons and the miami dolphins play a little bit it. The falcons had met ryan out two for one series now. I don't think he even came out. I don't know i missed the first part. I was putting kevin he didn't he didn't yeah you were putting garages way. I was watching football and drinking beer but i think that would make that anymore and stereotypical if i brought you the beer simpson in the middle alabama jars so elena looked okay. It looks like a man you know they've got receivers up to but is guys. Were making some spectacular catches. These are second third-string receivers cats in from matt schaub. Miami couldn't tackle for nothing. Kenyan drake look good. He was running over top of the falcons just for the he was in there for one series. I think maybe two then we switched over to the panthers bears game. We wanted to see the person that we didn't say a word about last episode ed's streak. I don't wanna bring extra but if you talk about him without saying his name account. It's like voldemort yeah yeah. I said his name beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice. Nothing happened here guys. Eventually that references going to age out now and do a remake anybody under thirty years old has no idea what you're talking about. What are you saying. We're not that far removed from thirty. Okay anyhow the bears came out and we're just <hes> molly the panthers. Another panthers didn't start any of their first stringer. I mean their air backup quarterback. Kyle ellen says he's cam newton yup. The first pass through molly said that looks exactly like cam newton. I was like well who's z. Been watching for the past year was he threw it like five yards out of bounds twenty hours over the receivers it was it was a wasted. I used to play trying to threaten chicago. Open was not right. The guy was the benefit of the doubt chicago came in they played. <hes> trubisky came after the first series as a matter of fact. He's the first starting quarterback. I saw the i didn't see the starting quarterback. Oh i did see ryan fitzpatrick clay. It was apparently for now but it didn't they draft somebody. I don't know i can't remember who cares. It's the dolphins i know they're season's over chicago comes out. They're not playing their first stringers. I don't think on defense they might have been. I'm not sure but they i mean they. We're just destroy caroline now. 'cause khalil mack wasn't out there and see him. He's injured so he hasn't been training camp either so chicago lose good. I know they didn't play their starting running backs <hes> to request dare the new guy montgomery he was an aunt air but it was their the defense which i think carolina in the first quarter was negative yard offensive line looks so bad very offensive hansen's offensive offensive line speaking of which hard knocks. I was thinking of incognito offensive offensive lineman so crazy like feel like oh fire around him and ever interacting with him. I would just be like on edge the whole time like trying to be really normal normal. Don't say anything to trigger him. Not a what you've written my corpses head and neck but he seemed totally. He was exactly that very very congenial. That's the frightening part it's like. Science says gary ted bundy esque yeah exactly but i was really really surprised by the hard knocks at ed how good it was. I thought it was going to be start from the get go. I thought was gonna be shit. Show yeah but it was very entertaining and i enjoyed watching gruden. I enjoyed would watching. All the characters wasn't anybody that annoyed me. There was that one guy the defensive rookie adams aver abram cell. He it was annoying. He was their first round pick and he was the one sitting down at the restaurant and he's talking about how much money derek carr has from his contract. He's like you got one hundred and twenty million. I'm ordering the lobster and steak and how about this bottle of wine over here and like he's just talk missouri cards. It was very new money as you know like when people money and there's like atkin by lamborghini but i think that they're kind of ood hold it. We're watching the we've got the panthers in chicago game aim on right. Now and chicago just got a sack ninety five km blazing in got right past their center. Oh my gosh and destroyed their quarterback. Who is that in the larsen. He's last see them. Oh by the way tab larssen is second string for chicago bears. How interesting pushing for a starting job l. good for him. That's up to him so their quarterback does that. Their third stringer larson for the offense lineman that he just got through was larson carson. I don't know who the quarterback tiny hickey of i dunno. I can't see it which has chicago is just put a beatdown carolina scores six to seven him but the score does not reflect the bruising that offensive line links were really bad which had about i'm not either gerald mccoy. I said it's eight minutes in. I think it counts when we referenced him earlier. He didn't play none of the interior. Po didn't play want want short didn't play their depth chart came out. The carolina. Panthers in germany is a starter. I didn't think he would be. I thought he would be behind poor or short with they switched to three four defense and he's playing defensive end. Yes gerald mccoy is listed as a starter left defensive end or right defensive end right defensive end. Yeah totally shocked me. I was like what they have gone to a three four defense just like we have which german voice said he would never play in and a here. He is defensive which i've been saying since i started watching him play that he is he would be much better as a defensive end the three four defense so i think he's gonna fit well in in that aspect in off season. There were some reports that carolina was going to switch to a three or four but ron rivera says oh we're just it's gonna throw in some more three four looks but that's not the case apparently switched over totally just like we have a lot of teams go into the hybrid mix four three three four just i said. I can't remember where i heard it but i think it was nick. Repoen are safeties. Coach said that college is really dictate. The trans fell because depending on what type of player they started courting. That's who comes in n._f._l. Years later so you're getting these taller faster safeties and defensive backs so that could be why all these defenses are changing the crop of players. This is very different different. It is amazing watching all the changes the n._f._l. Has gone through as for. It's great because it's a chess match. You know you get the rules of change to help the offense so you've got these quarterbacks are staying in the league now ten fifteen twenty years and they're great they can do all of these plays that recognizes defensive so what the deep offenses are doing is. They're switching everything up and making it so it's extremely difficult to read and they're getting these really long cornerbacks on the buccaneers ears in the current the last episode which fantastic by the way i recommend override water vernon hargreaves. There's a shot of hill making an interception. He jumps up an air at least twelve feet. He's twelve feet in the air making interception. At first i had i've and watched and i was like is that receiver holding up. That's the only way he could that got here. Skating routine look like but the receiver was trying to the ball down. Hargreaves was twelve twelve feet in the air outstretched sa- gad the defense a cornerbacks secondary of gotten extremely long extremely fast and i think we might be premier as far as that's concerned because that's what we've got completely. All of our guys are long and fast. It makes sense that was all the rule changes which have rarely crippled defenses offenses especially the physical ones because they don't want you to hit anybody. It's taken a long time for the defense is to catch up to this innovate to be successful rather than be hard hitting. They've got to be able to compete for the ball with the receivers in a different way. I think that chicago kind of laid the groundwork last last year of how a defense can be dominant again and running game chicago. Is there a tough running game and a monsters astor's defense really i kind of told that with mitch trubisky thrown six touchdowns on us how many seven we make second third quarter. The good nick mullins we clever not guy will broken. Clock is right twice a new era of defense in tampa. Thank god i think god but but oh man i got to say this. I got to bring this up. I don't know if this was on your feet. Avai of the vita issue have me so depressed i yesterday you can ask molly moping around and hurts man. We got our video that's done. I want to put it out. I don't wanna put it out. I put it on pause. I said noah until we find out what his injury status is. I'm not putting it out because i wouldn't want to watch a video of ebay if he's not gonna play for part lord of the season or even missed the whole season. I couldn't watch that'd be like i don't wanna watch this so we'll find out what his injury status is and then make a decision on that video. We've got a couple the video the pipework so hyper pipeline but yet it sounds like his injury <hes> we had a guy on twitter who was it that broke down. I did a screen screama of frame by frame on it and they said it looked like he just collapsed zone weighed. It wasn't a twist or anything. May i think israel box. Tom books talk yeah great podcast. They sled that video down. If you want to listen to some guys know what they're talking about that really analyzed football and watch film. I mean these guys watch film. It's real talk good podcast. Check them out and never listened that one really great hello listening to beat availalbe an alto. I'm going to tell oh you my i went for. I said ten and six. We're gonna do ten at six. That's our floor. It beat obey is out for the season. I'm changing really us. He's two games. He's two games so i will do eight and eighth as our floor with v._w. Yeah i think it really changes the tone of our defense via so dominant hurt and having held on in israel gonna hurt and i do hate that. I've never been a fan of depending on skilled players. I like depending on teamwork beat avai as one of us guys. He's like mike evans where their skill level is just so good that y- kinda depend on those guys and evita is out for any length of time. I'm going to start worrying because that's gonna be two years in a row where injury has caused him to be subpar for most of the season right. I mean it's the same story with o._j. Cam brain healthy. It seems like we have a culture of injury in tampa. I look at all the other teams james and i look at their injuries and there's a lot of injuries going on across the league like we even just said khalil mack in chicago. You got the holdouts going on in dallas. It just seems like it is prevailed. Throughout the league you got a antonio brown with oakland which will get to that. In a minute. It does seem to be prevailing and always reminds me of that the quote from any given sunday that movie my favorite football movie without second favourite north dallas forty is my favorite but he jim brown in that movie said these guys have bodies like donnas but they're built like glass and i see it you know what i worry about that and i always felt like especially for over the past decade that we've had a culture of injury in tampa and i was hoping that would be done with we got the new sports science department. We've got a crap ton of trainers. We got new trainers. We've gotten rid of a lot of guys that i think were about that culture of injury. If you tweak your thumbnail sit out got a couple of games you know whatever if you're unhappy with the way the team's going to pretend to be injuring roy desha jackson brent grimes all those guys you know they they used injury as an excuse excuse to not participate with the team. I was hoping that's gone with the same here. It is two days before preseason seemed like all these injuries just well. I think that at that point you kind of have to make a decision. It's kinda you shit or get off the pot. Will i think aaron's is he's not an injury guy. He's he's the guy that you will lose your job being injured. He's not you know there are two types of coaches are the coaches at now. You've got your job injuries. Just a part of the game. Get get injured. You would put you on the back burner. Somebody failing for you but when you feel better you come back in rouge. James is not that guy now. There are players like via. Mike lavigne's james winston that if you if they get injured he's gonna put them back in when they gave everybody else though i mean just an evans i i don't know if he's going to make the team beyond with david kenny. Don't he's gonna make the team. He just got back from injury. He's only practice two days now. Precedes was coming. What apple see how he does in preseason. You've got scotty. Miller who's got a hamstring jamal deen with a hip flexor avantis david even with his knee and these guys house could be replaced. Dale buchanan comes in and just plays lights out. You know david watching from the pine scotty miller we've would we count thirteen wide receivers beepers. We have on the roster. Scotty miller doesn't play. He's gonna get edge now. We had a wide receiver a couple of weeks ago. We talked about on podcast came. Who was <hes> xavier bosie. Does boom cut hurt cut. We've got veto vegas hurt. We immediately go out and sign stevie to oklahoma do again and we'll just cut hill may now. He's back on the team. We're also working out a defensive lineman today shane bowman. He played at washington ten in the n._f._l. Experience he played for the jags this summer. He played at washington redskins in college so he he signed is drafted free agent. They brought in for a workout so we haven't heard whether he's been signed or not. Yes so according to gregg allman players how to practice wednesday was the domico sube bo allen scotty miller with a hamstring while receiver branch tied-in ornoff outside linebacker nelson cornerback jamal beam with a hip flexor. He hasn't practices this week. It's not a long term injury a safety mike edwards justin evans labonte david in vail allow. Those guys are names were familiar with names. We what we got some injuries here. I mean they're david evans. I mean this guy's going to get on the field. I'm not saying they're they're lose her job but you know this is a this is a regime there win now. The glazers had dumped a ton of money into this to win now. We wanna win now so they're gonna do everything they can. If you can't get on the field you get somebody to replace you that simple worry about this culture of injury. I was hoping it'd be gone but we got a long on list. I think it takes time to faith out. Everybody on this list is it was an out for injury not necessarily but we do have a long list of injured players on a lot level bars starters. A lot of players aren't the same caliber as mike evans or sue imagining. This guy has played for ten years and never missed a game for bravery gregory. That's incredible. He's superman. He's got bones made out of titanium or one of those comic book medals last year on mccoy via the beat of angel thing is really having me down because i talk about how great he is and how much potential he's got but it's always with the caveat that he doesn't become what are these injured players and we look at callaway great running back boom injuries don carl nicks comes to tampa boom. I mean he was a fantastic great offense. Allowing comes to tampa gets hurt boom. Done ages really bothers me. The veil might be in that that class. I don't want to think about it but i think i don't want to think about it but i think he has got so much. Potential slash skills legibility ability let ever here it is. We might sit for the second year like you said o._j. Howard he hasn't made a full season yet. How long has he been in the league to three yeah. That's what i thought that it just seems like you know some of these guys get hit with the injury bug and that's it no matter how good they are how much potential they have when injury start with them. I'm done they're done. Can you pass it so let's all just collectively put our minds together. Think positive thoughts towards vida is not going to be hurt is crap is gonna he'll up. He's gonna be out there we will. I don't care if he plays the decreasing. I don't care if he plays training camp out there week. One rick stroud tweeted this quote it from bruce arians a little fluid in their little swelling so we'll do another one friday talking about an there's nothing really to report on what it is yet or how much time table as far as return will no more after friday but the original prognosis was good as known a little for blowing some steam blowing smoke smoke blowing smoke steam so we'll see by the time this podcast comes out tomorrow he might have already gone furthermore and we know we'll know next guess. We'll let everybody know all right. Let's get to some league news. Well we go. The pro ball was announce. It'll be played again in orlando on january. Twenty six players feel about that. I think they liked to hawaii. I think so tickled. Orlando's gotta be down to the discount hawaii. The pro bowl budget isn't as big anymore. Nobody watches ness. I do like the competition things and stuff they do before the pro bowl quarterback competition and the defensive linemen. That's ever watch skills towns yeah. It's been years since i've watched. It reminds me of the day like in elementary school exactly that he little bounce houses out there. It's a little bit like the combine more fun lighthearted well. Many bucks fans hopes were dashed. Duke johnson got traded to the text ends. Cleveland received a conditional fourth round pick in twenty twenty that could become from a third round pick so we're not gonna do johnson and we talked about this guy. A couple of podcasts ago moore's clayborn signed with achieves. It's a one year deal l. worth three million dollars max. He's got a million and a half in incentives. That's pretty good bang for the puck. There is name. They can stop getting penalties. I now now our first week game against the san francisco forty niners. They're not playing quan alexander all preseason. They're not playing garoppolo. The quarterback all preseason damn then we come to find out nick bosa defensive end has suffered a significant ankle sprain and will not play all preseason so this week one. They're going to have quite a few starters. That haven't played an n._f._l. Football game yet. They haven't knocked the rest off at least the year some of them never i think i can at four or five six iskoe starters that are gonna come into week one in our stadium being the first n._f._l. Will contact. They've had in a minimum of a year so that should be an automatic win for us right waiver. Lincoln shot on it in bucks news news. We touched on a lot of our injuries. We've signed safety john battle. He's a rookie and a cool name john carroll now. What we saw the play tank cool. We waved offensive. Lineman michael lick key with an injury designation. We dan i'm talking about yeah getting injured boom. You're gonna listing then to kinda dixon. We lost. I are homemade a little less money on on i r then he went on the active roster so he's gonna make three hundred seventy thousand as opposed to four hundred ninety five thousand and he's the second can rookies safety that we've lost off season. A ryan stewart was the other of course. There's another one didn't arrest her. He got put on injuries or is he he still he didn't cut correct. We also signed guard solic- hooah tuffy. He played in two thousand eighteen for atlanta than the jags then he went to the a._a. Ask and this year he spent part of the off season with washington so kind of a scrub they're looking for those diamonds in the rough which does big on that's why he likes having the two practices or the two the two teams practicing at the same time and i wonder if that's the reason for all these moves they're making when the guys get injured right because i wanna find as many people as they can that have potential you remember. I think it was lovey smith first year. We had a hundred transactions actions in the off season. I remember that it was like a hundred ten or something. It was ridiculous amount man. They were just throwing guys left and right cutting waving plus try. It did that too. I mean how many guys do we have that were on the practice. Squad waved practice squad waved active roster waived eighteen. Oh yeah that's what i was thinking of. It counted it was twelve times. He was cut guy this week. In training camp alfonzo diaz says was presented with a five thousand dollars scholarship from the buccaneers foundation. He says in eighteen year old senior who raised his siblings while his mother was deployed the bucks foundation. Did something nice gave him a scholarship. They do a lot of good work in community. Yeah i think so too. Tim mcgraw is going to be put on a free a concert before the season opener. This is part of the league celebration of the hundred year of the n._f._l. You get into the concert with a game ticket. Fans will be leading the parking lots at eleven thirty. You'll be leading the stadium at twelve thirty in the concert begins at two o'clock. That's going to be a logistical free. Concert got to be a logistical nightmare because imagine he's going to be playing on the field. Yeah that's at two o'clock. The game starts at four thirty and dan guys have to come out and warm up and kickers and all that good stuff so he's got. They've got a play at two o'clock and be off that field by at least four on on how long the concerts going to be probably forty five minutes length concert so logistical nightmare and what happens if they leave something on the field and and one of the guitarist leave like a guitar string or something so many rip-off on it anytime you that wrapped around his ankle or something but you know they do the super bowl without a hitch. Every year seems and that's like a full scale production. I think they're very practiced at this. Yeah and something in the league is putting on so. Maybe they're sending out teams in every they do a lot of colloton raymond james stadium so they have a full-time crew people that you you are good at getting things on and off. The field sounds like a fun thing so fans will be leading the stadium at twelve thirty parking lots open at eleven thirty yeah so you can pre game in the the parking lot and you know how drunk would be four and a half hours of dragon before the game even started owner. That'll be broadcast brokest broadcast the concert probably not it's absurd news today. There was a gas line explosion at ray j. There were two workers working on a gas line and i guess there was a spark that ignited in there was an explosion or heard about that. It was one of the concession stand. Oh my gosh yeah they were injured rose to taken in the hospital over okay all right so that gets all of our bucks news out of the way. Let's let's get to this preseason preview. Let's talk about how we go. Whoa global the steelers all right. I i have these steeler storylines. The the biggest news is this is the first time we're seeing the team without antonio brown. Enlighten me on bell. That's been a while since they haven't had to yeah and and supposedly the issues with antonio brown started several years ago but it didn't get made public until this year last year got made public. They're not saying who his issue was west roethlisberger you think he's he said publicly. It wasn't now he's lying. That's your point. That's what i've heard taking. His place of course is judah smith schuster as number one ed but they're having a little controversy with the number two position because they have wide receiver gene washington. Who's the incumbent. They drafted in twenty eighteen. He didn't really show up last year. He was inconsistent. I think had some drops so everyone was kinda. Thinking he's going to be number two because he's been there that long while they went out and got dante moncrieff breathe in free agency and on the depth chart moncrieff is number two more good wide receiver right so i yeah. I don't know whether they're gonna play it or not. Who did the cult get the replacement. I don't know i don't pay attention to the colts ralph. The team stopped not practicing in pads. Tuesday was the last day that they practice in pounds so they're going wednesday to friday no pads underwear football to soften them up right. Their offense is dominating camp ruler yeah so we'll see how that goes. I don't know if it's a concert concern for the defense we will see the defense dominates can't for the first half right and that might be the case the article that i read you know it might have been at the end the street where it's tipped back offense famer will they drafted a quarterback this year mason rudolph to develop an eventually eventually replaced big ben in the next two years or whenever he retires but they've also got backup quarterback josh dobbs who they have trade offers for before before so this preseason game may end up being trade bait for him like if they want to showcase him and trying to get some picks out of them they drafted after another running back who is named benny snell. He was drafted in the fourth round and apparently he's turning heads in camp. Yeah he's listed number three on the depth chart. Now we kind of ran into this with bell and james connor comes in and he's phenomenal as well l. smell. It's not the offensive line but it's definitely going around with connors. He's a good running back but he's just a good person like yeah well benny we will probably see in preseason any salads aim zeke elliott mess in dallas. It doesn't matter who you put back there. They're going to run for hundred yards a game it is he hold now again. See this every year. It seems to me they need to just let him go to tennessee like with demarcus murray. Worry that what he did. He did the same zanies saturday every every time they were like oh. I'm the i'm what makes us offense go. I want more money and dances like no. I want all of that to zeke. Elliott has has got personal issues. If he does a lot of stupid off the field stuff they gear it. Oh yeah i think since yeah seriously you could put anybody behind that offensive line. That's what dick prescott is not that good of a quarterback if you put james winston behind that offensive line jameis winston would look like tom brady. Just out is often. The line of that good beat up on them. Oh yeah you did do not wanna talk about. No malla came from work. She was like after she was. She was like what's wrong or are you upset about little. It says i'm a grown man. I live to bother me so much. That can have learned to expect it. Speaking of offensive lineman. The steelers have undrafted rookie garden fred johnson. That's turning a lot of heads at camp again. He's getting the second team reps. Their offensive line's really go into yeah so do they need to start her now. But having a service of whoa backup you could come in and do just as well. Let's play guard or tackle yeah. They've tried them at left tackle and camp so south they really like him. I think he won't see him yeah. We'll see him fred johnson. You're probably not gonna see a lot of the steelers. Starters rothlisberger is probably don't play connors. There's not gonna play play marquees pouncey blah another one that won't play probably is quarterback joe hayden house. How's he is also. He was looking to get extended in. They were saying he could get a contract. By the time season starts will wednesday. He got carted off the field with an ankle injury. Adam schefter was reporting minor ankle injury but we don't really i haven't heard one way or the other at this point. We were talking about the lack of dominant quarterbacks in the league anymore. You know way referencing dion sanders rebus you could even though the sherman in there maybe but joe haydn <hes> is up there yeah he's not of their was dion sanders and stuff but i mean he's he's. He's nipping at her heels. You'll never believe this but the steelers have a kicking seeking competition going on their veteran kicker. Chris boswell is kind of on a downward. I don't wanna say spiral. I trajectory yes trajectory. That's nice way to put it. They brought in a rookie and they might also explore free agents depending on boswell's boswell's performance so no pressure chris crowe. Don't miss anything. What is it with kickers. I feel like there's a lot of cake ours. That have been missing lately in what we talked about that. It's just like there's there's a few elite in the rest of them. Just kind of suck it seemed like ever since they moved the extra point back to the thirty five arline eat just out of that's probably it just i don't know if it got all these heads or whatever but it just seems like the just totally inconsistent and well. I think that a a._a._a. Kickers in general rely on muscle memory. It's like that wrote movement and now you're changing it like looking roberto talk y._o. Who tried to teach his kicking thing like you'll look at them and they all kind of have their little ritual. They step back with their left. Let i take three three steps back. They'll shake their right but you know give shimmy the shoulders and then they snap the ball and it's like. I think that it's got to be in that specific cevik order for them to get. I think baseball players are kind of like that select right so when you change how they have to kick it moving gene the mob act. I think that's probably got a lot to do with it too low but it is very interesting. It just seems like across the league. There's like maybe four or five good kickers. The rest of them are just totally interchangeable. You never know what you're going to get on any given sunday with those guys. I think that they just need to adapt. They have adapted yet. It's being less for your whole but look how long it's taken where we were talking about earlier with the defense. Look how long it's taken them to a mall mark baroness plane with the steelers lou louis yeah he's the listed on the depth chart as the starting inside linebacker right but he's ahead of their first round draft pick devin bush who was taken tenth overall so wait a minute on the depth chart. He probably devon bush is going to be a starter probably burns the starter on this depth chart this week yeah data luscious behind him well. He's gonna want some revenge mark baron you you can start if he if he plays he probably will play. I would imagine thinks that to mike tomlin got. Is there anybody even here that was on the team when he was here. The laura dotson now other girl call yeah. I think sound interesting. Mike tomlin was extended for one year this offseason which was weird because typically they extend people for two years and their coaches so this is a proven year for him. Maybe i don't know mm-hmm. It's definitely caught the attention of other owners and coaches around the league unusual for them. If he got fired he'd be stitched up quick. I wanted him last year or i don harbaugh. Get fired no. I'm totally happy with personnel. Don't words in my mouth wasn't trying trying to do that and then they're g._m. Kevin colbert was also only extended one year but that was by his request yeah. I think it's a sinking ship. I think they're kind of in the same boat as the panthers where this is kind of their year to get their shit together and if they don't everyone's out of their coincidentally emily colbert has a relationship with panthers owner tepper. Ooh used to be a minority owner with the steelers so chaves possible the ball. He's keeping his options open. There we go. I think that you would clean house and steelers. Clean house will probably just swat so yeah. Ron rivera would probably fit in pittsburgh. Okay so that wraps it up for the steelers storylines this preseason then game except we do wanna touch on bruce arians does not like tomlin a whole lot as a matter of fact of all bruce. Arians is good with everybody in the league. Only the only person he's talked bad about that. I know of is tomlin. That's because tomlin fired him after they won the super bowl. Brazilians did not take too kindly to well we as not the only one that has a relationship with the steelers. We have antwan randle el receiver for them over low to two thousand five. That's a long time now for us. As a steeler i think he went back there later in his career armory home throw some touchdown passes when they were doing some tricky he was he was i think i want to say he was their third string quarterback. He was a quarterback in college. If i remember correctly lo lopez she also grew up in pennsylvania so she was a steelers fan growing up bill sal. She's connection tale. She's all of our coaches. Assistant defensive line coach roy yes as far as who's. We're gonna see this game. Be e-eh has said that the young players get about eighty percent of the plane time purrs scott smith the players not traveling jamal deen vita data jack city von dame even decaf addict sam which he was moved to ira. I r right outside outside linebacker. Anthony nelson scotty miller wide receiver k. j. brand in tight end scott warned off jamie. I wanted to see jamal deen. That was all pergram on them. Yeah i wanted to see jamal. Deen scotty military really wanted to see him. Yeah me too. They gotta get it together. Man probably saved but scotty miller receivers fighting for the few spots and the want somebody. That's available <hes> like he says the m._v._p. On the team is the guy that can step in for the injured player all right. So what are you looking for out of this game but win a win. That's according b._a. When he was an essay question that's what he said he said a win. That's why we play this game. He wants to win. He wants to tomlin he. He didn't beat him on this time. He was coaches arizona. I wanna i wanna sousse secondary yeah. I've heard that's all that we've heard out in training camp was just how crazy and fast they are in the call so i'm excited to see that i really you wanna see road jail. Yes i think we're gonna see a lot of roja where i work any patient barber to be honest with you. I think that they want to see roggio behind the first stringers stringers and that's a good point yeah so they're going to have the first stringers out for a series they might have paint barbara offered one two three maybe plays and they're gonna put roggio in. Give him a a couple of plays behind the stringers for string off its london. He's probably gonna play until the second half and then they're gonna. I wanna see the other guys to florida teodora because everyone is speaking very highly of him andre ellington. Not wanna haven't really heard much from bruce anderson. Neither dr a lot of people were excited that we got him after the draft but haven't heard a lot about him well. Here's where you you hear a lot about guys in training camp yep and it's funny because we watch all the training camp anybody. That's training camp. Put stuff up. We're watching it. It's funny because you'll get one person saying oh james switzer looks looks like crap if they'd you'll have another guy who's watching the same practice saying that jameis winston looks the best he's ever looked so the training camp now opinions which is exactly what they are are all over the place. People see different stuff. They interpret things different way but preseason where you actually see the guys play. You can see it for yourself. You can see for yourself and you're seeing them. Go against guys at full speed full tackling. This is what matters this is where we're going to see who is actually standing out who is gonna stand okay now who might make a difference so yes. I'm with you. I want to see if there's road joe. Talk is for real. He's gotta make a couple of big plays. He's got to i mean he cannot do three argue. Kerry two yard carry canedo it. I'd like to see param. Don't know we'll see him out there. We just thinking about him till dodo fulfill though and some of the other receivers see justin watson. I don't really remember last year. He didn't play a whole lot but i like it. When he played he was okay. <hes> we probably won't have probably won't see gobble them but i'm okay with that. Yeah get hurt but the other three hundred twelve hours. We have on the wrong number. We'll probably see plenty of film bingo c. j. He's gotta get up to game speed. I think thinking needs to be in there yeah. We'll probably see o._j. Because i think i think this is the first time that bruce arians has had two wide receivers or tight ends of this caliber and so he's designed underplays for them and i think he's gonna want to kind of tinker around with that in the preseason exactly what he's got so it was breaking a play. I don't know i don't remember as far as where he is with his injury well. He traveled with the team so right. That's probably a good sign. Are we gonna see a lot of blaine gabbert or ryan griffin. I think that's gonna tell us a lot about being. I think we're gonna see blamed gabrielle till the third quarter but when you wanna see e or at least a half yeah get him the reps at least because that's probably who we're going to keep. He's gonna be the second stringer right. Did you ever think we'd blaine gabbert though i didn't hey i got my face and be a i think he might know what he's doing with the yeah i think ah okay what about the defense. I'm excited to see dan away. I hope he'll be out there. I get him on the time. Oh i'm sure going out there for a bit and noah spence. I'm excited to see what he's got to offer. They're gonna play him. I think he's gonna get quite a few reps sue. I don't think i'd i don't even know if we'll play. Does it won't be much series at most yeah ah but yeah the secondary gotta see those guys they own buchanan. We'll see how he does. We'll see probably a lot of shaq barrett okay after the first series. I think you you'll see shimmer. Berkman there then all depends on how much no spent place right 'cause shack. I think wants to take take somebody's job and we'll just start role doubt about that no he. He was behind von von. Miller knows guys in denver forever hated it. I mean did hate plan with denver but he just hated being all all right so we got the game tomorrow night night. It's seven thirty. It's at the steelers is going to be on the n._f._l. Network if you're out of market so make sure you tune into that and watch as <hes> mop up two floors from thirty towels. They'll be wiping their tears at their stupid yellow towel terrible towels and i call him dirty town they. They look like a janitor. Tells yes so tune in and watch us beat the mess out of them. If you get a chance go ahead and hit the share button on in your app with your listeners to send us out somebody some group. I dunno twitter facebook. Somebody you think might be interested in hearing some more buccaneers talk. We i do appreciate y'all guys doing that. Means a lot to us. You contact us on twitter followers. There or handle is at bucks. Underscore observer took our website buccaneers observer dot com or on facebook and youtube so you can search for us. There just type in buccaneers observer. We pop up ain't gonna get confused with anybody else on that. One and we'll have a breakdown of the game on the next podcast which will be out monday morning. We'll have an update on vitas injury status status and we'll probably be talking about it on twitter one way or the other hopefully ralph will be sad. Roaf will be happy ralph yeah well. That's going to wrap it us skies till next time. I do want to say to the epicenter. That's going to wrap it up for us. Guys until next time go backs.

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REShow: Andy Staples - Hour 1 (07-23-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

56:49 min | 3 months ago

REShow: Andy Staples - Hour 1 (07-23-21)

"This is the rich eisen. Show this nice with guests toast. Ben lyons like water. But i'm called the rain. Nobody thought i thought it's why. Do you think the knicks winning your lifetime not live from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles. today's gasps college football writer for the athletic. Andy staples five time. Nba all star in boxing analyst. Marcus johnson plus musician action bronson and now sitting in for rich. Here's ben lyons welcome everyone to the show deadlines in for. This is the rich eisen show on a friday. We appreciate you making us part of your day. Lots going on in the world of sports. I had so much fun this entire week last week on the radio this week. On radio and tv the olympics are underway bird singing. Happy birthday to kevin durant. Even though it's not his birthday follow. Olympian javale mcgee for all. His correspondent work over in tokyo. Love seeing that this morning. But we've got some birthdays and the rich eisen studios this morning. Tj chris happy birthday happy birthday brother. You guys. are you guys. Pick up a honest to celebrate. I actually did pick up beyond got sixty percent janas. I went with a thirty piece at the chick-fil-a this morning and i did get the large sprite. Lemonade no ice. You got a great tweet. The other day championing for culture to embrace the honest. Yes out there. With the arnold palmer yes. I think it has a chance if people embrace to be this generation's arnold palmer the famous drink named after the legendary golfer of half lemonade half ice tea. Let's call it the honest half sprite. Half lemonade no ice. Let's go had a sip of the honest earlier It was disgusting to start the show. I feel insane. I haven't had sewed on my lips in years. And now i feel crazy having one sip of the i feel like i could run through a wall. Maybe that's what he's on. Maybe they need to test for sprite. Lemonade performance enhancers. Because i'm i'm feeling wired. Did not have a good reaction to know. I wasn't into the honest this morning. I thought it was really toxic. I'm like i don't understand. Why don't we drink. Greatest basketball player on the world consumes this. Don't drink four janas per day. Maybe like one a month. Celebration benign throw a top it off with a little greek liqueur and maybe it hits a little different but everything is different half lemonade. Not a fan. I would have rather had some of that. Pj tucker champagne this morning Pj going going hard yesterday at the parade for him. Mvp of the parade. I be the parade down. And just think. About pj tucker. He's thirty six. Ten years in league had to play overseas to play his way into the league. Finishes the game with one point but it doesn't matter he. He goes toe to toe with the toughest dudes in the nba. He draws the toughest assignment every game to go to from kevin durant to then go and at trae young and then in the finals. Going up against chris. Paul and devon booker. He's a dog tucker. He in-stat lines you know. They're they're not sexy. I think like you said he put up. What one He had no points. No points in the final points in game. Six six rebounds. He had three points in game five. He had no points in game for like three points over the last three games. He's he has to be an inspiration to young basketball players out there on realized that they shoot from forty feet like steph. Dave know that they can't go. You know fifteen of twenty like devon and kevin durant be the main offensive focal point of their team. Say you know what maybe the toughest kin the gym. Every team needs dog. Every team needs a dog. And there's no. There's no dog with more than pj. Tucker at a parade with a bottle ac spades in his hand. Here's pj at the parade. Yesterday milwaukee who is crazy. That's where everybody like or came here. You gotta like show like you gotta be to dog. And i'm like now. We got dogs like they. Just say i got like we. We already got dolls. Takes us don't know how to be dogs dogs crazy. We got jimmy. I so many things jump to mind clip yesterday and like fourteen other times since okay number one thousand dollar bottle of champagne that he has in his hand. That's basically as big as the larry o'brien trophy to tj. We saw an instagram. He's wearing quarter million dollars. Sneakers diamond encrusted off-white air jordan ones. Okay and two and three. Can we get t shirts that say milwaukee. We walkie change the logo from fear. The deer to a giant ravages on walkie dot like. Let's go like that's a teacher. Like a long haired wire dachshund or something. Can we make some dachshunds ear. See some cute. Weiner dogs rolling through everybody gets. It doesn't really translate. When i think of tucker giant pomeranian they could german rowling. Vj no no. No you gotta go boxer day to your than that. We just go with like paris hilton's dog. Can we go with a little purse. Can you imagine teed. Pj tucker like roll through the airport with one of those little like dog. Backpacks gucci dog backpack. Totally diamond out. Do you think he workshop that on the way to the parade going to have a moment. I'm going with this dog thing. I just cue cards or some bullet points says dogs. Dogs strikes me as sponge. Only asli fueled by champagne. Pj tucker student of the matt wall school of improv. Yeah exac teaching. Teaching improv parades. As great moment yesterday. I we also saw mark marcus johnson doing. Jr smith rolling down the mean streets in milwaukee with the with his shirt off which was really impressive. For for marcus johnson. He's going to join the show. At ten o'clock some tells me might still be on one. Ten o'clock here on the west coast chance got action bronson A little bit later on in the show. Today i'm really excited detach out with this dude. Have you been seeing on instagram loss. Like hundreds of pounds yes. Somebody's ufc fighter. Something f c fighting training bath lia. He's just gone hard. He's a dolphin. He's boogie boarding a love action bronson much about this guy. What is his. He's from queens. He was a chef at some of the great restaurants. Cook had a passion for food at a really high level and it was also a musician and artist and became amazing. Rapper action bronson is one of my favorite artists and he has a real love of food and and music. And you know he. He never wore air jordan's only shaquille o'neal he's just a different different than he had a great food show on vice that he's doing now on his youtube. It's got a book. he's just an inspiring dudes. We're going to have action a little bit later on in the show and then The big story. Of course today is not only. Pj tucker's love of dogs. But it's the fact that oklahoma and texas might be destroying college football as we know it talk about a shift in the balance of power the idea that texas and oklahoma might leave the big twelve and go. Be a part of the sec. Going to things in college football forever you know. I'm like rich. I went to the university of michigan. I know about big boy football. I love my saturdays in ann arbor as a kid from new york city. I came out to ann arbor thinking. What is this town. What is this small tiny place. Then you go to the biggest football stadium in america on a saturday verse bowling green and there's one hundred ten thousand plus in there is the greatest loss. There's so much to celebrate about college football. There's so much wrong with college football. And we all know that. I don't know if texas and oklahoma leaving the big twelve however solves those problems with college football. I don't want to just see. The big schools compete against each other as someone who lost the appalachian state. I appreciate those moments and those opportunities first of all we forget that these these student athletes are just that they're they're they're students and their kids and so when they show up in september not a well oiled football machine. They're not. They're not competing at the highest level right out of the gate. I think it's important for programs to have some of those tuneup games. They had into conference play. And i don't know about you guys. Maybe it's just because we can't awful house. Steve and i'm not as always consumed by the conversation in college football around. Who the national champion is. I think the tradition of playing your conference rivals each and every year is what makes college football special. Remember seeing drew brees player. Purdue i remember seeing antwan randle el playing college. Few years john navarre. So it's not like michigan lighting. It up when i was there but i always love those days when you played michigan state and you had friends come down from east lansing or you had your. You know your traditional rivals. You went up to madison and played wisconsin each year. I don't know how it's gonna change. We just shake it all up and have north south east and west and put forty big schools together and and have picked out of a hat who they play each year. You wanna have those traditional games. Those rivalries it's how friends and family connect Through different parts of the country. Come together. And i'm excited about what's going to happen next in college football. I just don't understand how texas and oklahoma essentially giving the big twelve. A heisman. Pose is gonna fix any of the problems with an already broken system. Yeah it's it's a really interesting scenario. That's gonna take place here in college football over the next few years like these guys have. Tv deals that run through. I think twenty twenty five So it's not like they're going to jump to the sec like this fall or next year even You know the teams make schedules. Ten years down the line. I wonder if it's just as simple as breaking the country up into four sections. let's go. We need united nation in this country to buy the country like unity conferences. Like the nba. You have like the whole west which you can throw pac twelve mountain west all those into one. Fcc obviously becomes one the mid west becomes one and then you know then the kind of the east which is the rest of the the rest of the northeastern just have eight teams from each day the best eight teams and let's have a thirty two team tournament. Let's go like. I don't know why it isn't that simple. Money is always the answer there but It's a big problem in the big twelve will be non-existent. Now if these two programs leave and then the sec becomes the national champion. Every year is just the best team from the sec. Maybe in an ohio state like what are we. What are we doing yeah. That's the big question. I i had this morning around this story and we're going to have andy staples coming on a little bit later to hopefully provide us some some answers to this question. But what are we doing. What is the point of this. It is minor league football at this point. It is the biggest money maker for the schools at a time when colleges are hurting for finances It's you know it's interesting to me. The college football coach is the highest paid state employees and pretty much every state And speaks like you said that the issue here really is around money and how to allocate it best or how to make more of it I love college football. I get as into saturday's as i do on sunday. And i you know i i understand that has to change. And i understand that there's problems to the system I am looking for though to those traditional conference matchups in regardless of who's in power at the moment let's not forget like alabama wasn't always the best thing in college football. We're just so used to that right now. There's a long time they took another program. Terrible and nebraska was on top of the college football conversation. Those tom osborne teams but now they're not in there in the big ten now where they haven't been a real force in the big ten since their arrival in that conference. So i understand that the powers change in the rivalries change. But but you want to have those traditional games you. I want as michigan. I wanna have penn state on the schedule. I wanna have wisconsin on the schedule. And i hope we don't lose any of that if we just separate the country into four quadrants. So we'll see what's going on in the world that college football world of professional football. Typically buccaneers got some more hardware. They got some dinner plates on their on their hands. Tom brady getting his seventh super bowl ring even though he doesn't like those focused on the next one next one man. And here's what. I took away from that tampa bay celebration that in an off season featuring the news that he played the entire year with torn mc l. That's a big flex in an off season that saw him inches zell. Invest in crypto business. And they're going to be a face of digital currency that's a big deal getting seven super bowl ring. Wow how. Tom brady wearing white pants as a large man. Getting away with it that is tremendous. I don't think any of the large men in this room could wear white pants in any occasion and have it be appropriate. I wear all black tall white parties. Like that's oppose the white pants. I am hands at a not all white party. It's not like he's michael. Rubens beach house in the hamptons but this man is wearing club. Monaco white jeans phenomenal. 'grats tom brady. He's wearing threequarter. Boop like this like checkered shirt this ring if you haven't seen it it's the size of a small planet like it's one of jupiter's moons on these guys it's normal. Tom brady walked into tom. Ford and said. I know i look that mannequin. Can we just switch. And they made him the mannequin and he walked out of the store. He looks like a tom ford. They're going to broadcast the next super bowl food dish literally his next super. But when you're a kid in the eighties and that one dude at your neighborhood had the giant dish in the front. Got eight thousand channels. That's it asks. What's on fox fingers today is your rings have gotten. They say and their made by jason's of beverly hills down here. A guy who. I knew years ago i would love to just pick his brain on the process. How do you come up with a who was consulting. Did like brady are so intricate man. Like devin white posting that photo of the ring you can tell. Devon whites have football player because his index finger points towards three o'clock as opposed to twelve. All of these guys have jacked up hand. I've never made an nfl player who can't show me something. Strange on their body look at my eyeball goes this way. Check on. My hand goes total. You know the all finger team it's It's brian baldinger. it's tori halt. it's julian at ronnie lott. These guys like just disjointed disgusting hands every offensive lineman. Yeah yeah pretty much or the show to a great place. Our guidelines rich. The birthday boys were celebrating. Brockman and tj going to town. Some jaanus meals nuggets deeper. You over their brockton. I got a thirty bucks. I'm about two thirds of the way done this morning. It's going to be here today. I'm going to miss these guys next week. We've got andy staples checking in coming up next. Talk all things college. Football the balance of power in the sec. What's happening when he gets some answers. From andy coming up next senior writer for the athletic. This ben lines the richeisenshow. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's geico easy. Visit geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com. Hey basketball fans get excited for the tokyo olympics with peacock. The home for us. Men's basketball every us game streaming live starting july twenty fifth to get started go to peacock tv dot com and sign up right now. Hey basketball fans. If you're as excited for the tokyo olympics is i am and we all are at the rich eisen show. you're gonna wanna sign up for peacock. The streaming service from nbc. Universal peacock is the home for us. 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The us men's basketball olympic competition starts to lie twenty-fifth at eight pm eastern with their first game against france. Don't miss a minute of the action and go to peacock tv dot com to sign up right. Now you hear the michigan footsteps or not. Do you hear us. I hear you. What can you and i come up with. Where you you have to get in your car before pick any event. I won't do two hundred. I want to do something. Michigan wear michigan for for driver. Intros okay that's like beyond confident that that's not gonna happen. So now what are you you tell me. All i want is next time that we're on. You gotta wear it. You gotta wear something. Ohio state. Not just a little. You send it to me. And i'll wear what. So what do you have for me here. What are you first of all. We got a little hat for you miss. That state had. It's enough though. So what do you mean would hold on. So so i had to reach out to my friends at the ohio state university in the athletic department and they sent you a crossword game jersey. I mean you know. It's not like you can buy off the shelf. This is what they really wear so wait a minute now when we you and i met the last time it was an item. It's not items skies do i. I'm up putting on foale who thinks come on rationing for the duration. You have to wear getting off easy. He was gonna do thirty minutes at a michigan coast and thursday jersey is this is. This is our look. This is red cells. You throw the lid on site said so. There's no holding call or anything like sorta. Oh my god thank goodness. Ninety people assume this show on the radio and taking totally awesome that so good tournament at golf. We didn't say there's music jersey church comments. All we have time for i jersey and so good coach back on the show. He's gonna come back cleanse. The ballot gonna make this house clean again to use the poltergeist phrase. Gram how you been. I'm great thank you awesome ohio state habit that read that awful red and then i'm impressed. I will say this rich. You're looking like y- jerseys. Making you look jacked while working. I've been working out lately and thank you. I appreciate that. Welcome back to the rich eisen show. Ben lyons in for rich on a friday. The tv audience was just getting a chance to see rich in a full ohio state jersey and had. Who's on the couch with that. That's a grand hall. Indycar racer an ohio state fan. That made me watching. That made me feel like. I just had another sip of the half. Sprite half lemonade. We got like one who port gordon. The garbage that is four Disgusted needs vodka but little to a fifty piece in the nba finals. Then please pass the cup in the morning. No not now. But i'm just saying tapping our somewhere. Hey we've got we've got andy staples joining the show covers college football for the athletic because he's going to help us make sense of the news this week that the the sec might just destroy college football is. That's what's happening here. Andy if the big twelve is no more with texas and oklahoma jumping ship. I mean does that destroy also i think they they still continue playing it. It's still appear on the television. So i don't know if it destroys it would definitely be a a little bit top. Your 'cause. I always laugh because everybody says well. They're gonna go to four sixteen team. Super conferences wasn't if the sec at texas and oklahoma there's one super conference and one kind super conference with the big ten. Nobody else has any claim on the word super. After that i do. I do love the traditional rivalries that we get in college football regardless if they have national championship implications you think this move from texas and oklahoma that will not destroy college football but destroyed as we know it will create something new from the rubble and the ash from the waist for this like destroying traditional right really like tech phantom who whoever played since two thousand twelve now with play again. No union create new england. So i was gonna ask you with of college football as we know. It's being something of the past. What do you think the benefits are from a possible. Re-juggling around of everything generally on a word i. There's a lot of words that are getting sort of invented here because we've not seen something like this in a while. I mean this happened ten years ago. This is very similar to the way it happened ten years ago but this feels more extreme because back. Then there weren't mega brands moving. You know the biggest brands that move nebraska and texas a. and m. this is texas and oklahoma saying we're not good with where we are. We would like to over here because we that's where the better future is but it it will be different. We'll be more topic that the thing the thing you would be concerned about if you're running college football which by the way. No one actually runs college football. It's sort of a a bunch of systems It made all this money by going from being regional sport to being a national sport. You add texas and oklahoma to the see the sec. Suddenly has its own gravitational pull it. Just don't plan basically and really the big ten is the only other league that is is somewhat competitive there and so you've now concentrated most of the interest in the sport in the south in the midwest which let's be honest. Those are the places where people were most interested in the sport before but it was better as a national proposition. it was probably more lucrative national proposition. The money still going up. The question is is there a peak at some point. Because now if you're on the west coast if you're in the northeast If you're in the upper midwest are you not as interested in sport because it doesn't feel like there's anything for you. That's something that that's a fifteen twenty years from now question. But if you're the sec. Right now and you know when this happened in texas and oklahoma knocked on your door and said if we come in you have to say yes you have to take them crazy not to andy staples from the athletic joins the show college football senior writer and host of the staples show podcast. What does this mean for traditional powers who haven't really seen themselves as a part of the national championship conversation. Recent year schools like miami. Usc michigan tennessee in here. I feel like you're you're subliminally. Your sub tweeting richer. Still just throwing in a little shot at usc or just you know trying to get michigan. Talk in there. Yeah i i don't know i i just what does it mean for them. It means basically the same. You need to be better than alabama and oklahoma and Ohio state and clemson. If you'd like to win the national title. I mean that that doesn't really change anything for them. The the teams that are competing for the national title. It doesn't really matter what conference they're in there. That's who they are and you need to be better. So i think that that's that's what it means for the. Us's a little bit different animal. Like miami's in the is pretty stable. You got you know clemson and there you got north carolina the other big grand not a huge football power but they soon that leaks at the moment seems pretty stable but like usc was not happy with the way the pac twelve being run they have changed ministers in the pac twelve. So maybe maybe things have have calmed down. But if you're usc you're looking at this and suddenly feeling very isolated oregon or washington. You know which is similar to usc where good football programs on the west coast with very passionate fan bases more passionate than most of the other ones on the west coast. You're looking at that and going. We feel very alone out here. So what do we do. And and i don't i don't know what the answer to that questionable ben lines filling in for rich on the rich eisen show joined by andy staples from the athletic You mentioned that there is a shakeup about ten years ago but ten years ago in college football we didn't have name image and likeness. Like we do today. I we also didn't have the transfer puerto like we do today. How will those be impacted by This move and change the balance of power. Well i just you probably will have leagues teams. That are in the sec. And in the big ten which which have the biggest reach and we'll continue to have the biggest rates they will have an advantage. They will have an advantage in terms of you know. Look we have these big passionate fan bases. They're going to be able to help you out. These businesses are gonna want you promoting their products. Because look at all the people you can reach. Look how many fans we have. That's i mean that's real. But i don't know that that's really any different than ten or years ago. What's different is the players now have some basic economic rights and can take advantage of that. You think the the changing of up of the current system will lead to a deeper playoff structure. We're going to have a sixteen team playoff structure in the future. He think for college football. We're talking plant. They've already said they're they're. They're working their way through the logistics of it now. But it's going to be twelve teams and The top four ranks conference champs. We'll get buys The number five through nine seeds will host home games in the first round and the reason they did it. This way is because the the thought was okay. You can go eight but there were a lot of leagues at that said well. We don't want it to be just the best eight or whoever you know. Some group of people thinks is the best date we want offer championships to matter and the sec looked at that and said okay fine if you wanna have automatic bids for conference champion. You can't make it where there are fewer at large bids and there are now because rhinos fourteen playoff and there are four at large bids basically and so the compromise. Was you go bigger to twelve. And so there are now six at large as and fix spots guarantee for conference champs and that helps the pac twelve which couldn't get into the play offs that helps the big twelve which struggled to get in the playoffs. It helps those group of five leagues. That never really had a real chance. That at least one of them's going to get in now but it really helps the sec. In the big ten where you could have two three four. Maybe five with this new. Sec of your teams getting in andy staples joins the show from the athletic college. Football senior writer been line soon for rich on the rich eisen show as we look the look ahead to another college football season on the horizon just as someone who covers the sports someone who has a passion for the game. Where do you like to spend your saturdays. You can pick any stadium and he. He campus to to spend a saturday afternoon in the fallen. The best tailgating on the has lsu And and i know you. Probably love your school or your. Nfl fan. Who thinks who thinks you guys know how to tailgate. You're wrong go to an lsu game. They will teach you everything you need to know about cooking an alligator over an open flame gumbo for hundred in a pot that is you know being powered by your your rv There's one guy who has this. Rv setup where they. It's almost like a fancy food truck where they bring the bar down and it's like a twenty foot bar and he's got a dockery machine. It's been working since nineteen seventy six and still works today and these people are just miraculous. And then you get into the stadium and it's loud and it's just incredible so that that's the best atmosphere for a football game that you'll ever find but i i'm old though i i'm getting to the point where i would almost rather be at my house and see if i can borrow some. Tv's from some neighbors and get five ts on and just watch everything because That's that's a good saturday for me. Where i could just go from from noon eastern to whatever the hawaii game ends and pass out got a couple of names for us here in july that we should keep tabs on for heisman. Watch sam how at north carolina. The quarterback is is a really interesting. When this is this is a guy who may be the first. Qb off the board the draft next year. And you know it's weird. Because when he was coming out of high school probably wouldn't have looked at him as a potential first round draft pick quarterback just because of measurable and all that but now that we've seen baker mayfield and murray and those guys you know you don't have to be the the six five gunslinger to to get that spot and sam. Hal is really great at operating an uptempo offense. He's got a good arm so that that's one i'd watch. I think he's gonna put up very big numbers. Bright young. the new starting quarterback at an alabama Very interesting what he does. Because you know they lost quite a bit in terms of firepower. but they're alabama. They've always got the best recruit so he'll have some he'll have guys to throw to but you know will he look like what will they look like. And then the guy. Replacing trevor lawrence a clemson underway and he was really good in the two games started last year. But can he keep it up. Can you keep them at a national title caliber level. The coach my football team says he attacks every day with enthusiasm unknown to mankind when asked if he eats vitamins. He says yes. I have a steak every single day. So this is a man who makes khaki pants look good. I love the michigan wolverines. Gimme excited for jim. Harbaugh and the upcoming season going to have to try to be honest. I mean you think about that. Jim harbaugh took a pay cut. Cut a salary in half basically michigan. Couldn't find someone that was a slam dunk replacement so they it cut deal with her about and make it where it wasn't gonna cost them any more money if they fired him after this season or if they fired him after the last season so this is basically last-ditch will this work. They've changed their staff around I'm curious to see what he does at quarterback because they've got came back in there there you'd think he he's the guy to come in. But then they got a got. A true freshman on nj mccarthy who was a big time recruit Will he get a shot They have a transfer from from texas tech named alan bowman who actually played for chris. Kingsbury at texas tech. That's how old he is Who clippings or loved but has had them injury issues and so. I'm very seriously who jim harbaugh. Picks to run that offense and are they any different than they were last year. Because if they're anything like they were last year. This will be jim harbaugh's last year. Listen you're talking to a guy who was promised. Drew henson and got four years of john navarre so i'm very excited to see who they haven't quarterback as well. Andy i appreciate you taking some time man. Thank you so much thank you. Andy staples joining the show. Not fired up for the maize and blue going to be a tough one for coach out there. I think they have the best one two punch in in college sports for coach when it comes to basketball and football you have jim harbhajan juwan howard all two sons program. I think it's great. I don't understand why i understood on michigan. I know I don't understand the frustration with coach. Because who else are you gonna get. Let them be there for thirty years. He's had a down run right here against ohio state fine. Urban meyer is the worst. He's gone get him outta here. Yeah let let him stay there if he wants to be there. You're going to get this going to get. It's going to get more people fired up than a guy who eats vitamin everyday called the steak. I love coach. I'm such a fan. So i hope he works it out More show coming up next guy. Marcus johnson coming up in a little bit. He's had his shirt off like jr smith at the parade amazing. This man dunks on his birthday every year. He's his sixty. Now of course popped up in in white. Men can't jump back in the day. Raymond is a great cameo. Great little moment there in that film marcus's awesome. His son is the king of nba twitter. Now eight follow. Johnson at king joseph fifty four. So we'll talk with marcus coming up in a little bit and then action bronson action bronson who i love. He'll be on the show a little bit later on as well. It's been lines in rich. We're at lonsdale high school in longdale. California getting ready for the annual forty yard dash combine run. Rich ron am standing. By with dom brendan michael and brian. Michael johnson performance and one of us has won a gold medal. The olympics this man michael johnson. Good to see you good to see you. Issues gomez for that data. So what are we going to do. Now it's been a look at your star. I want you to get in your start stands what you feel most comfortable with or we're going to we're going to film it so we can analyze them. Start here then take step. Take one that that's all right. Come on up. Good okay angle of your shin dictates where you're going to go right. If that's sin angle you come back here it's pointing up and that's where you're going to go. Stumbles nicer relaxing clean efficient. Good good good. You want to be nice and relaxed palms going up and down in a nice clean and efficient motion not tensing up here to hear that tends to come down into the shoulders and now ren robot spill might wanna time it one time. That's all right. That's michael johnson. Tom mark forty. No pressure no pressure all the way through smooth clean all the way through six thirteen six one. Three six one. Three our work is done done. I'm dropping the mike. Mike mike johnson. Nice okay i feel good left like in the tank for what you see how you perform under pressure go. Got tired of fast racing with michael johnson. I picked it up. I understand the concept. I'm coach until you put it a lot of work today. Okay that goes to waste. If you go in the lights come on and in it. I gotta run. You got to focus on the techniques and relied what beats inside and doing a phone call right or saint bega. Thanks my thank. You watch johnson performance. Right here welcome everyone back to the rich eisen show ben lines in for rich. Happy birthday to tj birthday man. Thank you brother celebrating with the best smell in the world. Which is power fresh air. Yeah had lena chick-fil-a in brand new fresh unblocks pair of threes right there. You know which way to turn it. Some people might have chick-fil-a they're last meal. I would have a pair of air fresh air. Jordans is my last right before i say goodbye to this that letter that new that new shoe smell these are clean to which let me wish jays. Are you being buried in. Probably the force four. Yeah like the force interest was come. Also i know people like to single digits ones. I also have a special place in my heart for the numbers that no one has any emotional connection to so yes bury me in my twenty eight thirty one guy here. Seeing the nineteen's i think. Jeff bezos formed a space. The other day. I like other the twenty eighth of those like moon socks russell westbrook or once i got to host the launch of the thirtieth edition the thirties at the chicago planetarium with tinker hatfield. Once wow that sounds what was that like. I mean they just blasted the image on top of the dome there. And you felt like you were in space and tinker. You know. Tinker did a lot of work with tim burton on beetlejuice and on batman real high with designing batmans boots for the michael. Keaton shoot while suit and You know has some has a relationship with timber. Tink tinker hatfield obviously one of the great artists and designers of our time. And i think he designed the ones on your on your feet for your birthday. I'm pretty sure brooklyn's over here celebrating birthday rocking the tom ford out outlet outfit on the tom brady outlet out. That's tom ford polo. But it might have a stain on the inside. I will say this is actually travis. Matthew got the pastel matthew. I have a vineyard vine shorts and the math jordan. Trainers are ready for a boat parade for a bo. Is what you miss. Ben last year every after every patriot win especially in the beginning when they weren't doing well brockman duplicate as best as he could cam newton pre-game outfit and he would wear it to the show that they still have some stuff so that was my wife and i always marvel at the fact that cam newton apparently buys his hats where she buys hers fouquet just like giants down. Yeah nick fouquet hats mariah and cam. Newton vote affinity heart. Those as well as carmelo anthony who was once quoted on a conference call saying i have a real passion for hat's awesome carmelo. Anthony is alleged And del tufo you doing all right over there off. Yeah i'm gonna. Yeah i'm back in my conduct. What are you up to this weekend. We know mike spinout kicked out of his crib. Couple days on nine. Oh two seriously sleeping on the boat. Yeah on the boat for four days. I'm ready to go home. I'm kind of over the boat. Living nineteen eighty-four. The olympics happened right here in los angeles. Carl lewis became a star. Of course michael. Jordan won his first gold medal. Just wanted to point out a great sporting event that happened in the mid eighties. Mike del tufo on the point that picks were not a big sporting event. Who were what are you talking about. Those literally sporting event in the world in savings begin tonight. There live from the olympics. Eighty four was big by one of my good friends directed. The opening ceremonies eighty four. It was the guys in the truck now. The extent huge. I'm joking i love team. Usa singing happy birthday to kevin durant. That's already my favorite olympic. Hasn't seen this. I just reach. It's from javale mcgee and now and olympian on the basketball team for nbc. He's playing for the basketball team. Chevelle mcgee press pass for peacock. Might have one those as well as a correspondent. Along with solemin masekela. I thought he was over there. Reporting the bubble latch onto watch javale mcgee cover team handball or cabell. Tennis hunted pull double duty. Wise developed instagram story team. Usa all on the tunnel before taking the walkout. Which is the basketball team. Don't ever all lived cycles. And they sing. Sing happy birthday spontaneously to kevin durant. It should be noted. Kevin durant birthday is september one nine so all the other olympians birthday they tell them all like there's some powerlifter who has no idea who kevin durant is just like. Oh call birthday. Deranged standing there like what is going angry. Mcgee's goto move when he's out that's just tremendous and he's taking the benny. Hana birthday polaroid and banana float. Like a whole 'nother level absolutely free. Dessert dessert. I wonder how he got that started. You think he went to bam a bio and he went to brianna stewart. Any went over to some of the cyclist and he said all right guys in the count of three rock to sing. Happy birthday to kevin. Spread like this around the group and they're just like it's katie's team lillard with an american flag wrapped around his head like a ninja turtles. Happy verse durant so mad. He is not having any of this looking at like in like you. Mother pearl it. What are you doing. it's great. I love the ralph outfits. They're all rocket of those sharp. And you got super carrying the flag tremendous tremendous tremendous. I'm so excited for team. Usa the women's basketball team just a team of legends. Diana sue brianna asia. So many people like a lot of the first name club that we were talking about front and center singing happy birthday. I can't watch. I can't watch more of this and pj tucker parade videos yesterday. I cannot get enough injured. Spirits those two. Pj tucker and kevin durant great. Probably pj tucker great friends off the court competitors on the court j. tucker with a love for dogs this. Pj at the parade in milwaukee yesterday the great championship parade moments right up there with madison dancing match dan. So it's crazy that's where everybody came in joe's you gotta like shows like you gotta beat the dog and i'm like we got dogs like they say got got like we already got dolts. Take just don't know how to be dogs. And we don't have crazy we got. Oh milwaukee milwaukee we dogs we've got like the hollywood sign out here. We need to put that in gigantic twenty eight foot. White letters walkie wisconsin. We we dogs like like. let's go. We were talking about the the t shirts that needs to be made with the milwaukee bucks logo transformed into a dog and somebody beat us to it available now on breaking t h door of tweeden me. These guys beat you to it. And it's a dog on a shirt. In milwaukee font congrats right of all said that they are dogs but they just don't know how to be dogs there. Are there any other animals that exist. What they are but don't know that they are that. Yeah action bronson. Who's who's got a album out about. Dolphins you think he thinks that dolphins need to understand how to truly be dolphins. Now i see them all the time in the water. They don't know dolphins. They know they actually know. They're often only for dolphins the album action bronson giraffe. How long it's neck is a thing like real. It's got duck if it's like something's low. I think a little chihuahua is often think they're tough. They're all big dogs. They think they're big dog. That's dante steven. Chen zero for the thinks. He's super tap. He's just a chihuahua. He slept yet this week. Probably not no no just an incredible scene out in milwaukee. We got marcus. Johnson coming up in a little bit. He took his shirt off at the parade. Jr smith parades rings champagne celebrations. We saw all of it in the last forty eight hours you also the tampa bay buccaneers getting. There is a dish wear from williams-sonoma they have an entire Cocktail like a menu on their on their hand right there. A cocktail sets. Ring is incredible. So the tom brady tweeted out the video. I guess at the bucks made okay so underneath all the gold and the diamonds and the trophies on top underneath. That is like a gold. Replica of raymond. James stadium and then they put the lid on in. The lid is like the top of the ring. This it's unbelievable re hundred nineteen diamonds. God because that was the score thirty one nine actually liked that. Because that's my birthday. So i think i should be getting one of those nineteen. If you're a player would you keep it. Would you auction at all meta world. Peace what do you do with your energy. Where it when you go to pick up a jaanus chick-fil-a don't ever wear these things except to go to the next ring ceremony. Select brady kinda famously. Only wears his to go out to these types of things wrong agree with that approach cat his three patriots ones and then got the fourth one though because when you they always talk about oh they wear at team functions. They aired in an event. If you're at an event that's honoring you for what you did on the football field. Everyone knows you did that on the football field so wearing an entire kitchen cabinet on your hand is not is not the move i think wearing it in everyday life would be there's just casually and leering plumbing up to the coffee bean and drive in and say i'll okla and having the ring going to the bank like hold on. Let me signed for that bump. The top of the ring comes off and the stadiums this audience cool as bad as is it like the kind of cruel intentions thing of opening up the necklace and their stuff. Now it's not that it's not the tampa bay would have all the historical landmarks that are associated with tampa etched into the ring. That is so look at that and say instead of the stadium inside it's mons venus saying happy inside the rings have a giant trough urinal. Here's what i would do. Not a big ring guy. But i would wear a giant necklace. The take the top off. Turn it into a pendant and then you have a huge gold chain necklace. Guy rocklin chain gag shame flavors. I feel like there was some puka shells in your life. You did have the hemp one year one summer but you're brockman on his eighteenth birthday exactly. Yeah and and he's at a dave show wherein tvos puka shell. I hated named after you so often love and drew bledsoe future hall of fame face like they did in the mcdonald's commercial Bledsoe autographed rookie. Card i was so excited because he was going to get us to the promised land he would have taken me to the promise land on that thing. I have with all the my quarterbacks too bad. I should have brady. Tom brady and yesterday i. I go power lunch after the show with. Tj celebrate his birthday earth learned a lot about tj. Adam joined us as well. Adam thought was twenty five Looks forty five is really thirty. Now is a great way of twenty five. J. t. j. a little bit of a foodie. I mean we're gonna have action bronson on has got his great food show and is synonymous with with high falutin. You know high level cuisine. We picked out a spot. Here on the west side of the los angeles about seven iron from the rich eisen studios and this is a place that's known for its fresh produce for here in southern california farm-to-table not up to the tj jefferson standard on the parking lot. I gotta be honest. i'm not sure though. The produce is fresh enough talent. Not up to tj stanton does not take me expected tj cj over here The next anthony. Wow this guy. He's ended the taste for the high level food. So we go to another spot that spots close now so my t.j. Lunch with deejays like a thing. Now you know what i mean and then then we do find a spot. And this is up to tj standards his again. He's he's. He's got a great pallet. So for tj's birthday yesterday we We shared a pepperoni pizza. Boneless wing type. Well that's how i do it. That's how i am very so. I'm a simple man jet as the best j jefferson out the rocco's in culver city marcus johnson checks next. It's been lions in for rich on the richeisenshow. Don't go into their fantastic. Hey when it comes to fresh produce. He only cares about one thing. And how dare kito. Just looking for the best chia seeds in los angeles different types of had milk from a nipple in like twenty years. Cash you off deep hawaiian macadamia milk. This guy and best mix macadamia as for as much is your premium. I would say. I was just gonna say i'm an i'm an almond cashew guy. I drink cow's milk this. It twelve thing a little too seriously. Reichman here's what we gotta do. Though in the fall no joke being brock. We gotta do that for a week. The tb twelve. We gotta do. It wither away and die as i think. If we don't have money for a week a month all right we do for a month but we got a file dot brady teams. Usually kinda hit a wall in october the bucks last year seven and five after week oughta bandwagon stuff. I have a proposal for that We think the bucks are gonna win the super bowl. We've already we know that. So what are the chances that they maybe go undefeated. How about we do it until the bucks lose all. Wow they start week one and we do it until they lose. I like that and this. And this is the whole. Tb twelve method. We've seen it. We've actually avocados. Wants a gallon water. It's the design ties. It's botox injections. No no no no. We're not doing that stuff. Steel plates in your face to have the best hair replace pants. You guys come in looking like kids. He unbel- it's some season. I mean it's amazing. He just looks like water He's so handsome water pure selling him walk into the average place. Who's the who's better looking than them like. They both won't get better looking brady or giselle. That's true that's a great question jean. After i saw him pull up the white pants in july. I was gonna tb twelve nominal. Four rich eisen show here on peacock coming up next. Marcus johnson causes. Show there about a million podcasts. 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Hour 1: Hall Of Fame Game Kick Off

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Hour 1: Hall Of Fame Game Kick Off

"Sometimes it feels like your business is going one hundred miles an hour barely keeping up. Don't technologies advisors. have to take you. Need to get past whatever's in front of you call an advisor today at eight seven seven ask dell and do more with modern devices and windows. Ten pro sean. Willing soup podcast. Good morning welcome into keyshawn. Jalen zubin on espn radio. Espn two sirius. Xm channel eighty. And of course you're smart speakers. Keyshawn j. will and zubin all out bart. Scott jen ladda. In again embarked. We had football last night. It wasn't pretty. It never is when you see preseason football final score sixteen to three if you care about that kind of stuff in favor of the steelers. There were lots of three and outs. There were lots of turnovers but it's not going to be clean first game in the season. I'm just glad we have it in the books. How about you. This is the official start of the nfl season. Other teams will follow. It was good to see over football. Live football competition Different colored jerseys going against each other. But it's one of those things the fact that it was a nothing burger is perfect bride because we it was nothing that alarm anybody is. Nobody's saying what's going on with dallas. What's wrong with with the pittsburgh steelers. Both teams went out. You know the stars didn't play as much as the first opportunity for young guys in a rookies to get opportunity to introduce themselves to like the type of environment. It is to play such a historical land talk about planning hall of fame. Game the honor and privilege because you're surrounded by so many immortals and i thought it was a good job. I both teams in this respect. Dak prescott didn't even travel to the hall of fame game in canton. Ohio ezekiel elliott. Was on the sideline. Obviously big ben on the sideline as well couple of guys that we were keeping our eye on now z. Harris and mike parsons. Did they impress you at all with their performances early. 'cause i gotta say mike. Parsons was in on an awful lot of plays early on mike. Parsons with the tackle. And mike parsons with tackling. I was like okay. He came to play. He came to show people he serious about this. And you heard him allude to it a little bit about this synergy about him. Getting his Former recovering asked what he got in his first game and at ohio state. And what you what you like. It is the the the movement. The athleticism the suddenness to make the decision. I think that's what dan quinn is done. He's put them up in a in a position to play fast. And that's what you want to see. You don't wanna see lascaux underneath mike. Nolan's defense it was a lot of checks and that's more of a defense for eighteen that it has a lot of veteran players. We have a young team. You want them to play fast. And take a lotta thinking. Oh well everybody is in preseason mode including mike mccarthy who talked After the game about his team obviously we were paying a lot of attention to that defense. Here's what mike mccarthy had to say after his team fell to the steelers sixteen to three. But who really cares. It's preseason. football performance was really focusing on the operation and the function creek golf. See rico had the big run you know. After the not made some throws off his back foot were you know unique so frankly it's a long plane flight home. I'm looking forward watching that tape. I figure it's going to be a lot of good commoditised game. Come on man really can we. Can we ask him. Where's the up can we. Can we follow up. Say well what was exactly unique. Well he threw off his back foot. I know that they never want them doing that. And you saw arm that domenici through as well. So maybe that's what he meant. Back foot sidearm. We're gonna start calling that the domenici. She's not gonna see any snaps in the regular season if the cowboys have their way but we mentioned mar. Mike parsons as well and he like you. Said had the symmetry of the the fumble recovery in yesterday's game and the fumble recovery in his first game in college. Let's hear from mike parsons. Who was a star in. The first preseason game of the year to be able to step down here came a long way from two twenty nineteen. When i play my last game. you know. it's just a true blessing and honor to where uniform represent the cowboys represent my family. Come out here and be able to get back into football rhythm. You know what i mean. So it was pretty good. I actually had a fumble recovery my first game in college so i like to turn that is going on right now. One of the other lines. That i loved and we mentioned that big ben was on the sideline out. There was a big ben talking about najji harris one of the other guys. We are keeping our eye on who pretty well for his squad. Big ben was talking to erin andrews on the sideline. he said. We're not gonna see too many great things from nausea and his point was we're keeping him under wraps like you're not gonna see all the things that this young guy can do. And i think that should be exciting for fans of the steelers that this guy as i said yesterday could be the face of this franchise eventually now. Big ben still holds that title as long as he's under center but you know that it's inevitable that he's going to be moving on soon and i see nausea harris as being the guy. Kids are going to be buying his jersey. He's going to be the guy in the steel city where you think about you know. Identity identifiable positions for the steelers center is one that historically has been famous You know type of position you'd think about. Why receiver what they've gone from. Whether you wanna talk about you know you wanna talk about techs. Go birds. You wanna talk about antonio homes you wanna talk about antonio brown emmanuel sanders and running back right. They always identify with a running back and you know. They rarely are running back by committee. I know that's how football using the goals. Now but you think about the bus you think about franko hairs. You think about Willie parker and now you could say dodgy hairs right so they automatically represent the toughness that pittsburgh is always about niger. Harris is the next one up in li- less a live up to the expectation. Okay so that was the preseason game and again you take things from it if you want. You don't have to take things from it. It's just the first game out of the gate. It's always going to be a little sloppy. A lot of three and outs a bunch of turnovers. Not exactly the best football but there was some news before the game because of course this was the hall of fame game and that means of course you have the enshrinement this weekend for the twenty twenty class and the two thousand twenty one class and one of the big stories of course was when jerry jones and jimmy johnson were sitting on the fox set and they press jerry just a little bit about the feud that those two have had going years and years decades even back and jimmy johnson has been kept out of the ring of honor and that's been a big story because he obviously has been so instrumental to the cowboys story to the cowboys. Success back in the nineties. But jerry jones broke a little bit of news last night. Saying it's going to happen. Take a listen. We're going to certainly be recognizing what's happening here with the hall of fame Who started entering said. Jerry keep it keep it kind of limited with people but make sure it one just about the plays they may make sure that contributed to the story of the franchise. That's kind of hard to not recognize this contribution to the story of the franchise coda. So are we making an announcement here. Well we can be if we can. I don't know how we're going to stay. No yeah you go ahead make that welby and the rennebach very loving. You heard it here be those. That's great. I mean that's great. That was a great moment. And then of course going while i'm alive i mean come on very rolling. Your eyes were everything you've done to me as going do you ain't no good on. Come around you harpo. Come on man stop it. This is jerry jones self-serving right really this is the most self serving thing ever because listen. This guy should have been in a in ring. Oh no question for what he's done in. This is jerry jones trying to right. His wrongs was it not sallow. How i the series where. He had to go fix everything he had ever done with. Somebody hold shows about okay. And this is what jerry jones is trying to do. This is more about jerry. Jones trying to lift up jerry jones right. This is all before i'm alive. You know he's trying to right all his wrongs but the thing is you're waiting to the end the rights or wrongs. You knew he was wrong long time ago. You know us wrong when you can put your eagle side and trying to determine who the moore who was more responsible for the mini dynasty that they had. Okay i didn't look at it. That cynically i did look again. Look i agree with you. Eagle was all of us. All the cell was the reason as to could not get along all of a sudden on a big stage. When about jimmy johnson. This week he wants to make it. About what j. Jerry jones is doing See i kind of looked at it as the cherry on. Top of the sunday man. It's a big weekend for jimmy obviously narcissists before no i definitely have been around the nurses i know again that ego played a huge role in this whole thing but a couple of weeks ago jerry jones did like shoulder all the blame for the feud starting in one thousand nine hundred and to me. This is with age comes wisdom you know you get a little longer even for a long time as all very good point but he is older today than he was yesterday and the day before and the day before and the day before and i think he's gotten to a point where he realizes that the actions of his youth didn't serve him well and it didn't serve the cowboys either really and that should be his number one priority like he let his ego get. Who's more responsible for the championships. This goes back to what i've always said about cutting the pie. Why we cutting the pie chart to tell me. Oh tell me how. Much aikman was responsible for those championships. Tell me how much jerry jones was. How long have we been having the same discussion. We had this discussion last year the year before the year before all of a sudden he's going into hall of fame you can't deny him being hall of fame and not being your ring of obsolete. Now you gotta try and make it right. But it's all about self serving your so you can about dole was right because it was right last year the year before the year before and the year before. It's never too late though to do the right thing so again. Maybe i'm giving him more credit than you would like me to give this have. Have you ever has by like that. Did you wrong. And when see you then like oh. Hey i like unhappy. Wait even had a conversation about this year but the cameras on is all. It's all love but this again goes back to the aaron rodgers conversation that i've been covering since draft day where okay so eventually the packers come around and say we were wrong. We shouldn't have drafted jordan love. Oh but you didn't say you were sorry earlier you said it now. I wanted the apology three months ago. You gave me the apology now. We're still fighting. So this brought up the idea. Of the best feuds in all of sports okay because this been an ongoing longtime feud there have been books written about the nineties cowboys. And of course these two clashing so the number is of course. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Give me your best sports feuds because there are a lot of them out there when i say sports feuds bar what comes to mind besides the jimmy johnson jerry jones rumble. Oh okay you know. I was thinking just best. The best sports foods off the top of your head and we'll get into it as the show goes on as well. Prisons batboys there. Michael jordan keeping is thomas off the olympic team basic one. That's great to me too. That is terrific are yeah. We are rolling here on kishan. 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Is your starting quarterback because none of the other guys have taken any first team snaps. Not sixty percent not eighty percent. He's taken one hundred percent of the first team snaps like whether you want to admit it or not and maybe that's what this is. This is just him not wanting to wrap his brain around the fact. That jalen hurts is his starter. He's your guy unless you're going to go out and get another guy unless you're actually going to put yourself in the shot to shawn watson sweepstakes which still to me feels a little dangerous. Not knowing what watson's future is like he's your guy. Why hasn't he just named him. The starter this is like like those like you. Those books how to books and it's like got dummy in. This is like coaching for like coach. For dummies right. Like this all coaches this. I don't understand like you ain't got the live craig. Just keep it real. We all know that. He's starter right. Maybe if you get the sound waas okay. It's a real competition but like this is almost like josiah's last last year not naming saquon barkley. That started like come on like really like what are we talking about. But this is what they do is just another distraction but you know every coach does so i can't single him out. Let's hear from serianni when he was asked about jalen hurts being named the starter. There's just no rush there. I'm having to do that. And we just again. We just want him to continue to impress and show like he like he has and we're just not there yet like he's not under pressure already like he doesn't know that they trade away carson wentz and he's the last man standing like he didn't take all the reps last year with carson got benched like he hasn't taken every single rip like kelsey the guy who he's talking to hasn't talked about his leadership skills like come on man he's already under enough pressure. Let's just leave a little bit. Who cares it's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless can this backfire. I think it depends on the guy right like some guys. That can backfire on. They need to know that they're loved. They need to know that they're the guy. But if you look at the history of jalen hurts. I don't think he's that guy. Just remember what he went through in college. Getting benched for to a tongue of i lo and then coming in in the sec championship game and being the hero for alabama. This is a guy who's been through adversity at the quarterback already. And i remember interviewing him a few years back when he was at alabama and his mantra was always. I was made for this. Whatever the situation is. I was made for kind of like the iron sharpens. Iron type thing. I think he genuinely believes that. Whatever the circumstances are he's going to come to and he's going to be okay and he's gonna handle it and he's going to show everybody and maybe it is a little chip on his shoulder. When people don't believe 'em we obviously know that some people are motivated by that. But i think jalen hurts no matter whether you name him the starter or not. I think he's convinced himself. He's the starter he's playing like. He's the starter. So i don't necessarily know that the title matters. I think it goes back to what you were saying. This is a little bit of a game. It's kind of like when you're dating somebody but you're not really sure keeping your eye out there to see what else is out there. You know. it's complicated if you will if you go back to facebook status. That's what this reminds me up. He didn't want to commit. Because maybe there's something better out there but it's fine for now. I mean is free to really a threat. Like i love flacco man but come on man we know the he's he's a backup at this point right. He's the same guy that backed up. Sam darnold last year. He's not pushing you or competing for the starting roy. He's thirty six years old. He's had his his time and his son to be a starring league. He's a super bowl. Mvp but he's not pushing you. He's there to mentor and help you develop Jalen hurts and help you have a comparable backup that can come in and help you with a couple of games if he struggles if the kid gets injured and this is a little bit about nothing now. The real threatened. Legitimate threat is to design watson. Rumors that maybe you know they. Can you know. Get to watson and then he you know he might as well go ahead and go to u-haul star pakistan his boxes because that's a rat from narrow on out it just depends on if like you said those rumors because we've heard sources say that that things are heating up on the deshaun watson front and then there are rumors saying things are not heating up at all. I do. Think that when coaches kind of tried to do this cloak-and-dagger type stuff. It puts them in a very difficult spot. So nick serianni was asked. Have you had any conversations about the of another quarterback coming in. We talk about. Obviously the deshaun watson situation. And here's what he had to say folks. It is a little bit a word vomit. We talk as a group of how do you get better every single day. And this is my conversation with jalen. This'll be my conversation with all the players. How do you get better every single day. We talk about our core. Values are connect our compete our accountability our football. Iq pardon me our fundamentals and then. What are the distractions. That don't allow you to get better every day. Everybody distractions are different. Everybody's going through something different. It's just the the message is clear with with. Everybody is what came. What are we doing to get better every day. And what are we willing to eliminate from our life that is not allowing us to accomplish what the message is clear. I'm sorry that was not clear at all. That straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless no contract no compromise your reaction to serianni trying to make some sense of a situation but just kind of like taken us around in circles attitude reflect leadership and in this if attitude reflect. Leadership team is to be confused. I don't know which He's trying his best right. He's not good at he's new and philadelphia. It's a very tough market. And they know how to kind opinion a corner with your words and they know how to have so he doesn't understand like the people in philadelphia and new york like they play chess so the first move is just a senate will to get you three moves later to pin you in the corner and he caught himself and he tried every we everybody what i what i as reminds me of is i his i is i press. Conference that yeah. Maybe i've been there. I've been there all right so hurts is getting all the first team reps in training camp but what about the preseason games. 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With instant offer from carmax learn more at carmax dot com and get a real offer real fast from carmax the way it should be keyshawn. J. will zubin rolling on here. Bart scott jen ladda filling in for the guys who've been taking your calls all morning long. Continue getting us your reaction to the best sports feuds. We'll get to your calls in just a few minutes. Eight eight eight say. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Now we go out to the goodyear hotline where we find former. Osu and nfl quarterback cartel jones joining us. He of course is a two thousand fifteen national champion. Carlisle good to chat with you this morning. let's talk about those rookie quarterback's because of course you've been in that position. How much do rookie quarterback's need to play to feel comfortable with the offense leading into the season when we talk about preseason action first and foremost good morning Bought jan thanks for having me Always a pleasure joining the crew. A lot. I think when it comes to their rookie quarterback because it helps us confidence and there's definitely going to help them in the loma around they not you know forced to be thrown into the fire. Because you know some careers just rule like that. What type of what's the expectations for. Trevor lawrence. I wanna go. I want to get straight to. Because i got a lot of questions about your former coaching ability to make the transition with the point system. And you know tibo first of all. Did you get a call like did you. Did you really really tibo seventy five zero. Just play for the mets. He bins depending aaa football. What about me. I mean that was no that i didn't get a cost from a former coach and i'm being so fresh out of you know football and But they got a lot of bill they got a lotta. They play right now and they. You know garnered and the number one pick. They got some other quarterback Issues they need to figure out i but they can think about bringing a former guy is Dallas coach ma coach. Meyer but I don't know man. I think it's a lot of expectations clearly young trevor. Being a number one a raw pick and go into a situation where one game last year and welcome into a organization where you got to also new coat anew faces so i can imagine the pressure and the expectations extremely highly cartel jones. Joining us on the goodyear hotline. I think it's a great point to talk about what the jaguars are doing. And of course there's always conversations about the transition from the college game to the pro game and that's not just for players for coaches as well if you could sit down with urban and give him you know the biggest thing he needs to know about making the jump from the college game to the. Nfl what would you tell your former coach well. We actually talked about this before before. He took a job and it was a rumors route. Their opportunity had dinner with us. You know we. We shot a straight and i say. Hey what's to what's going on. and you know. His one of his worries concerns of you know. He knew that. I knew his style of coaching. He wanted to go with a transition. You know to the next level. And i'm pretty sure he actually had the former guys that he coached as that that was that was at that level is at that level down and you know he got a lot of head coaches. That are great friends in the nfl. And i'm pretty sure. It was giving him feedback and advice. I think at work. And i think trevor was a lot of similarities and in urban day saw sweeney and the opportunity to play with some guys that was coached by coach sweeney You know some of the stories are similar. so he's going to walk into some situations. Were you know every waking moment is going to be competitive and how can you their competitive edge over the next guy that you know. Urban is going to put him in that. He was accustomed to equi- now. When you think about the transition from the pros to college one of the big differences that you don't were professionals dylan were grown men and you have to explain sometimes the why not just what we're doing but while we're doing it you know how do you think his communication skills are going to be able to be able to kind of get this Locker room earn respected. His locker room you know. He's asking a little adversity early on in his career. You think about you know the the strength coach hiring. And they'll the tibo distraction you know. How does he earned the respect of the men in the locker room. And how does he. The transition to dillon with men opposed to deal with boys. I think the one way. Yeah because you know one big thing that these coaches do on the The big time level of college football coach off fear. You know they coach off the fear of. I'm going to go recruit the next guy here for this next year to recoup past you. You know that's how you get pretty much. Almost the best out of your guys and nfl is completely different because You're you're dealing with the best of the best and you have a limited. My roster spots coach my Clearly just mentioned but I think he'd go in there and he put his eagle to the side. And and you know. Don't go in there like a done this before told you this. Coaching you respect these guys time. Respect their effort entities but one thing that goes always an unbelievable job but doing coaching the y. and that's one thing that i know He's not gonna let any of he he over the details and why we want to run. There's gonna put yourself in this type of situation so you guys understand so they won't go out there and take it too much out. A lot was made of this winners and losers drill that urban brought to his nfl. Coaching obviously guys going head to head one on one and then they basically tally who won and who lost. He said that sometimes that will determine if a guy is on the bubble who keeps on the team. What is your reaction to that. Did he do that in college with you. Guys at ohio state. And how can that work or how can it backfire at the nfl level yet. That was a big time thing in college included. You can cut none of us but It plays into it. Plays into fact of it was just almost like an embarrassment thing because of the tallies were all over the facility show you know how many times has got a beach you or you know the trend and things like that. But i don't really see that plan into too much effect of you know the nfl because they used to go out there and play. I mean a guy beat me you know one or two plays know whenever drew that you're doing but you know we get out there on the field you'd like to play you know. Speak for yourself because you know a one on one you know You know receiver db going to have way more Obstacles in a way in a game versus one one practice. We know this is this guy. He don't have no help. That is former. Ohio state quarterback in nfl quarterback kordell. Joe joe's still ready still standing ready. Right yes sir. Yeah let that be known to. He's still out there. Ready for all these bombs. We got these third-string quarterback give my manage shot in the call back get ready brought to you by barbasol. Shaving cream barbasol comes out. Thick and rich doesn't break down. That's why barbasol is america's number one shaving cream close shave. America close shave barbara barbasol. Thanks carl we have been asking for your calls all morning long and we do have a few about the best. Sports feuds in the history of sports. So let's get to victor in new york victor in new york best sports fuse. You've got your hand up. I want to say one before. Victis guy give me yours. One of my favorites is buddy. Ryan and mike ditka. Because i play for rex ryan so i know all about the the inside few great few. I mean again that goes back to ego stray shower right. And we're talking about this because obviously jerry. Jones announced last night on the fox. Broadcast that jimmy johnson will in fact be in the ring of honor after keeping him out of it for years and years and years decades even as he struggled with not getting enough credit for the success that the cowboys had had so. That's another good one. That was motivated by ego. Of course who was actually responsible for the bear success back in the nineteen eighties. All right. now. Let's get to victor in new york ahead. Victor guy bought. That was a great world. Ryan boys a little crazy but i. I grew up in the bronx and the best and most entertaining. When i grew up in seventies was george. Steinbrenner and billy vaughan. Oh yeah one of the most entertaining sues ever enforced. You gotta like the boss right. The boston billy martin. They went back and forth. Didn't billy martin go back and forth with few people. Didn't he also famously go back and forth with players. Yeah but that's what makes it so great right because you have to alpha males going back at it and was the owner was the manager. So i come home and you can't beat them you know but you know. He was the face of the yankees. Are that reggie jackson another one of those guys. That billy martin would go head to head with so. That's a very good one. Give us a call. Eight eight eight. Espn eight eight eight. Seven to nine. Thirty seven seventy six. Taking your best sports feuds this morning as it seems jerry. Jones and jimmy. Johnson have put. There's to rest. Let's go out to tyler in virginia. Beach tyler you're on with jen and bart keyshawn jalen zubin. I guys First of all bar. You're talking about steelers wide receivers earlier and you didn't mention is ward. Antwan randle el you go straight to plaxico bursts. Well that about yesterday. Al gave on a love about hines ward is one of the guys that should be in the hall of fame but come on. Complex was a beast to gotta also bar got a birthday coming up. I know you guys won't be on the show next week but happy. happy birthday. The art modell fan art modell and the whole city of cleveland. That is one of the biggest feuds ever in my opinion what what was the name of the moving trucks. They came out starwood. It was the craziest thing government. And i remember i play for art modell right before he passed and i could remember. He couldn't go back to cleveland. he couldn't fly. We play cleveland as owner note. No spot you know. No boo for him. No no no sweet for him at all. They still hate the fact that not only did he take the team away from. He took ozzie. Newsome nick sabin bill belichick right at the height with cleveland. Thought they were gonna turn a corner. And it's been a long time a long road to redemption man but art modell. That's definitely one of the moving truck. I think you're thinking of the colt. When it the mayflower move from baltimore to indianapolis colts versus when i think of cleveland feuds though i think of lebron james at when he and dan gilbert yeah which brought us the comic sans drama remember dan. Gilbert dealt the letter and everybody was like what is that fine. Obviously i think they have since occurred. Knew it was comic sans. Remember the bubble letters. How can we take you seriously. Letter with bubble letters. Dan gilbert but yeah that one of course has been put to bed as well. Continue getting us. Your best sports feuds this morning as we talk about the situation between jerry jones and jimmy johnson seemingly being put to bed. We also want to take a moment. Jacques about the quarterback situation in the great city of chicago. Because we've been talking about rookie quarterback paying attention to to who's taking steps in the right direction and who hasn't been given obviously jalen hurts not a rookie quarterback but a young quarterback in the league so jimmy. Graham who of course is back with the bears. I try to keep track of jimmy grams movement. It seems like he's always with a different team but he was talking about justin fields Yesterday i believe take a listen what he had to say about the rookie. Qb in chicago model of the kid you know he. He says assignment locker room and man he wants to be good you know and he wants to be granted he puts into work. You know his guy really you know really really can throw the ball. That's been to see his arm shrink the ability to you know to make plays While you're running. I think you know he's to have It's been presidency him so young so focused You know and i can tell you know it. It definitely a lot of russell's let feels cook. I guess so. Graham has obviously caught touchdowns from russell wilson. Aaron rodgers drew brees and. He's giving high praise to the rookie. And all of the talk to be honest with you out of chicago is that he's he's been impressive. he's slinging it. I mean again. I know the situation is. They've got andy dalton and they're going to ride with him. At least we believe for the start of the season Does this get you excited about what i always been. It's a process is a process right in. We've been around his game long enough. You heard all these accolades been thrown. Everybody getting flowers and training camp. I i get ready. And i don't make my assessment to us guys. Go through some stuff right. That's when you get to see with all speed you get to see what they're made. Pump the brakes a little bit here. Is that you not just a little bit. I just want to see him. You know 'cause listen last year Herbert people were saying great things about him. And he i mean man. He impressed manage. Oh borough impress and like now. We've rookies coming in so ready to throw the football because the college game you know allows them to get so many reps it used to be option and handing a ball off but now because told the ball so much they learn how to put the ball in the right positions they learn how to recognize. Cover three cover to two man. You'll holds trap coverages so like they're ready to come in but you know some of these guys can't slow down. That was of course. The biggest challenge for for college quarterbacks going into the league for a while because college quarterbacks would essentially look over to the side. Get the play. Run the play regardless of what the coverage was you to the nfl at all of a sudden. You gotta re defenses. You've got to figure out who's trying to trick you out there But you like the comparison will do. I think it's natural. I think he may be of course. He's a little faster than russell. Wilson but russell wilson is one of those guys that make those off schedule plays so. I think you know the judge justice field. Russell wilson is a is a perfect cop. I mean you think about the highway speed. Just you know justin adjusted slightly faster slightly taller than russell. But i can see the similarities. And i'm sure you know jimmy. Graham kinda understands how he delivers the football the mannerisms so if you're good with the russell wilson to justin fields comp. What would you say for a guy like mack jones. Is there somebody in the league. Based on what you've seen for mac jones obviously at alabama where you'd say that's the comp jones. Mcdonald's is tough right. Know in mac and cheese as cam nickname he don't even understand. The cameras really is really like clowning. Them you don't even understand. He called telling him he's got a dad dad by already twenty one years old and his body fat is high man. He's going to have your actual name in the nickname. Said if you'd gone one step further and called him velveeta right name camps that you should be as ghost rider. He's not that creative but maximums jones. I would probably say maybe kirk cousins right kirk. Cousins isn't given the the enough was athleticism. Strong garm he can deliver ball on time. But you're not worried about him running away from me. So i guess i would say mac and cheese is probably You can write that you know. What is it right that take that baked that. Like you like that there. It you liked de. Wait mac and cheese you like that. How about trevor lawrence obviously all hype surrounding trevor lawrence. Going into the league and he was unmatched during the college game there. What is there anybody that you can compare him to the pro game. I've always thought that you know he was a faster. More loose of justin. Herbert right you think about the height weight and the ability to throw the football deliver football also to be able to run people. Don't give trevor launch your credit that he deserves you know. Remember a couple of years in that bowl game he. He took it sixty right on a on a read option. You know he. He's a little frail right now. He needs to put some weight on. But i think. He's definitely justin herbert trae lance again. This is a guy who has just started taking first team snaps even though we heard that he probably wasn't going to. We don't know if there is a quarterback controversy out there they're going to obviously minimize that as much as possible but who he reminds you of cam cam newton. A young cam newton. Strong arm can can can deliver the ball on time. Can you know that arm strength. But also he's an athlete. He's an athlete. I think know shanahan. That's one of the reasons why when he was making a decision december citing. Does he wanna go with zach wilson. Does he wanna go. Trae lance where we want to go with mac and cheese. He came up. Because this guy gives you the best of both worlds. You know he's big. He's strong much like colin kaepernick but he has more accurate arm. And he's so smart right every that's all you hear about. His football acumen is ability to digest and learn systems. And i think he's going to be. Just i cam newton a little bit more accurate and i think he's gonna do well especially dad. He's had the perfect matching with a guy like how shanahan as far as his play calling the. Where do you stand on pocket. Passer versus dual threat. Because i've always been of the belief you have to be a pocket passer to have success in the nfl. If you have that other wrinkle if you can move around that that's great but if you can't be a pocket passer you're not gonna have succession asli. You can't just rely on your life. You have to be able to talk all on time delivery ball on time and be able to read the rotation say these before or after the snack depending on when the defense gives you information you know. I think the perfect match of the perfect dual threat quarterback aaron rodgers. Now i think he doesn't get the credit for his ability to stem plays and also to be able to scramble outside the pocket. And put you in harm's way because you don't know the come up because you don't know what's behind you and if you stay back pick it up with his legs. We've seen him many times during the goal line scramble when he sees you know man to man coverage knowing that everybody backs stern. You know you could say mahomes like that. But aaron rodgers more athletic than patrick mahomes so you i will give them but you have to be able to deliver the ball on time. That's where lamar jackson is trying to prove this. That's the next step in his maturation as his legs ahead of his arm. And hopefully you can figure it out. They gave them the weapons around the finally not have the excuses not to be accurate outside the numbers and we shall see but his first instinct is still to kind of bail. Try to make a play with his legs and again the the concern has always been he's gonna get hit and you know. How long can he played that style of game at this level. All right. how. About zach wilson zagros or you say the jet for me. Is i tell you that for me. When i see zach wilson i i look at. I'm looking at jay cutler to me a lot of people may not agree with that. But you talk about jay. Cutler came in his league with one of the strongest arms in the league. He's a guy that can make all the throws he just was a grouch. Right yo man. You didn't like his mannerisms look like you always had the resting sad face right droopy real but you know he just far tally. This guy could throw the football deliver the football. And when you hear how the ball explodes or how reportedly heard sao paulo the other day. Talk about how the ball explodes on his hands. While we were saying those same things about jay cutler early in his career keyshawn jalen zubin is presented by progressive. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Tom Pelissero (02-28-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 - Tom Pelissero (02-28-19)

"It's all about me. Dan, Patrick gas. There is more where that came from click back for new episodes all week, log sky, diving business amaze-. Yeah. But you know, what else is amazing an iphone six s for just forty nine bucks. At metro really imagine streaming all the way down with that amazing camera. I've switching that smart. You know, what else is smart parachutes? Switch to metro and get an amazing iphone six s for only forty nine bucks metro by T mobile. Phone offer requires porting of number not currently active on T mobile network are active on metro and pass ninety days. See store for details and terms and conditions broadcasting from the Mercedes man cave joined by the Ford danettes there orchestrating all of this year's Dan, Patrick Thursday. Our to Dan in the danettes, Dan Patrick show. We'll check in with the NFL network coming up, Tom Palo Sarah who's been following Cuyler Murray. Also rich Eisen will join us from the combine is well and case you missed it. Kyle Murray is officially toll enough to ride the NFL ride. You can play quarterback. If you're at least five ten member when five ten which too short or five eleven I thought six feet was short now Cuyler Murray. He's five ten. It can be drafted number one overall. Apparently if he was five nine and seven eighths, then probably not. But apparently at five ten he can be taken number one overall. If I'm Josh Rosen. I start packing my bags. All right. This program. Brought to you by the Gulf channel PJ tours. Florida. Swing tees off defending champ. Justin Thomas, some of the game's best take on PJ, national the infamous bear trap Honda. Classic begins. Thursday today at seven AM eastern on PJ tour live in one PM eastern on golf channel. I say good morning to our radio and TV partners. This is the last show that will have on the NBC sports network as we moved to the Bleacher report be our live. We'll give you details on that. But once again when the thing the folks ten BC NBC sports for allowing us to be part of your lineup for the last six years direct TV audience network channel two thirty nine and our great radio Phillies around the country. Dwayne wade. Takes down the warriors. Lebron takes down the pelicans, the odd situation of Anthony Davis and his restricted minutes continues as he's on a you know, you you'll have a pitch count sometimes use on a minutes count. And when I tuned into the show the Van Gundy brothers were doing the game. And they started talking about they were told Anthony Davis may not play in the fourth quarter. No matter what it wasn't going to play in the fourth quarter and Van Gundy, I'm not sure which one, but they they went off on this. Like, why are you playing him? If I'm the pelicans. I don't play them. I say to the league it doesn't benefit us to play Anthony Davis because if we lose we get a better draft pick. And if you know if we don't play 'em, then there's an opportunity for us to make sure we get full value for him. If he somehow gets hurt. Sometimes you get hurt when you're trying not to get hurt. And Anthony Davis wants to play Anthony Davis after the game said he's the best. Player in basketball. But he's only playing twenty one minutes. They're limiting the minutes there. But I mean, this mess for the league it really is. Because of what's happened that you know, the trade went public. You got teams that are tanking. You know, the Knicks are outright tanking Cavaliers are tanking. I dunno Phoenix is tanking just not playing well. But the fact that you're going to have three teams with the same odds to have the number one overall pick at least that helps because he used to be you just tanked and you got the number one pick overall. But now you have three teams that will have the same chances as each other for the number one overall pick. But watching last night with the Lakers. It's just it's odd body language there. If I said which team has. Which team was going to trade a bunch of players to another team. If you're watching because New Orleans, you know, at least there there's a little bit more chemistry there, and they're playing with a guy who doesn't want to play with them. And then you have the Lakers who have one guy who didn't want all these other guys playing with them. So just watching the body language there. It's just awkward. Anthony Davis is trying to be professional here. Even though he was unpredictable in with his demands to get out of New Orleans. Even though you had a year and a half left on your contract the Lakers situation with LeBron. And I don't know if he has a button, you know, his playoff button activator button for his offense because he needs an activator button for his defense as well. He plays as much defense as I do. And it's glaringly obvious. But he does he it's like a conductor in an orchestra. He's just standing pointing motioning. And you know, it's very unlike him, but you know, it's it's a strange environment. They're watching them play. But more importantly, they did get the win as. High scoring game. And LeBron had a big game last night. I also watch the Celtics, and I've been watching the Celtics a lot more than normal. Because people thought I was crazy when I said last year's team is better than this year's team. Well, I'll ask you that question now last year Celtics better than this year Celtics in the answer's absolutely. Yes. Watching them last night. At least they they didn't play like they didn't like each other. Because that was the feeling when they were playing Toronto. But I was I was reading this spin that was kind of crazy Celtics dot com. Mark d'amico says the Celtics lost. But this is actually a positive step. They lost at home to Portland, and that's a positive step. Wow. No one on the Celtics was satisfied with loss. But if they were to suffer one this was the fashion in which they have preferred to do. So. How the mighty of fallen? They had effort they had energy, and they had spirit. Oh my God. We lead the league in spirit. We're going to give you the spirit award this year. Goes back to one of my favorite. Cheers. We get spirit. How about you? Yeah. Polling. Remember that one? That's the whole school got spirit got spirit. We got spirit about you. Yes. Mclovin. Why are we always talking about Marcus smart at some point of the fourth quarter? One great play one bad play with great play when bad light you. Who's like the who's the guy is just kyri? Like, I don't I don't know. I mean, I I've said that I thought Cairo was not on that team next year. I just don't think he is. But you watch and they're not a bet it's not cohesive at all, it's amazing. And how good is Gordon Hayward? Is he back? You don't hear his name a lot? You can watch key can be on the floor, and you don't hear his name, but they don't make the extra pan. It's just it's it's a it's a bad situation there. Now, they may surprise me. They may end up, you know, winning and going to the Eastern Conference finals, but they should like I'm not going to get them credit if they get to these conference fun. They should be in the Eastern Conference finals now where the where the Celtics the team that we're playing like they don't like each other. Or was that another team because I'm having a hard Celtic Draco. So all the teams currently don't like. Each other that are playing well, the pelicans have to be a little frosty there 'cause they don't like each other. Well, that the fact that Anthony Davis doesn't wanna play with them like that would bother me just a little bit a little bit. It'd be like if I came in. And you knew that I was trying to leave and start another show. And then I couldn't do it. I wasn't able to get out of my contract, and I came back, and then all of a sudden, I'm staring at you guys. But it'd be like if you did that and you did the first two hours of the show in a third back. I got plans to make I'm on a minutes count here. No. But Vanco news complaining that the NBA doesn't allow the New Orleans team to sit their star player because the fans don't care if he plays out they're not playing for anything. So they could if they set him completely. They would have a better draft pick. And they would ensure that he's healthy to be traded. So that's good for their franchise to completely sit Anthony Davis, and the NBA will not let them do this. They're hurting their competitive chances. So they could put a star player out there for show. Yeah. That's not fair and Van Gundy said it's not fair to the pelican. But it's like the Knicks should the Knicks be able to tank or organizationally tank because it's best for them to tank to maybe Zion. Like, how how far do you take this where you say Commissioner we're just trying to do which best for the French like the Knicks players are not saying we don't want to be there. They're playing like they don't wanna be there. But like, no, no, no, they play hard when Derek jeeter made the false statement. Hey, we're not tanking here. These guys are trying to win. I agree. They're trying to win. But you're not putting good players out there trying to win and. That's the difference there. And that's why you have organizational tanking. It's Cleveland trying to win this year answers. No, New York's not trying to win the Knicks play the Cavaliers, I believe tonight. Who wants to who wants to win the least tonight? Because both of them wanna lose like a sixty eight sixty three file. Yeah. You're going to be upset if you win tonight. I goes guys go out there and don't get them. Damning gun. How did you guys win tonight? What are you thinking guys? What was our game plan? We're going to tank tank tank tank go out there and lose one for the ever. Poll question, mclovin. And I got some numbers on Bryce Harper. Apparently, the San Francisco Giants are when will this nightmare end. Okay. I our was is Kyle Murray. Five ten seventy percent of our audience was wrong. They said, no, I switch it up when the official measurement came out the question we asked for our if you were the cardinals would you keep Josh Rosen and not pick Murray. Or would you trade? Josh rosen. Fifty eight percent say keep Josh Rosen. Okay. Close. When you use that number one overall, you can't miss now in previous years, if you missed it was really costly because you would be shelling out money, and you'd be shelling out big dollars there. Now, you can you can with made hurt you. But when you're you don't with is bad. Do you take what is considered the be the consensus, you know, number one player in Nick Bosa or it's an offensive minded leak. Now, it's an edge rusher league. But it's also a quarterback league. So do you take the guy who's going to be putting pressure on guys like Mary or do you? Take Murray is going to be pressuring put pressure on guys. Like, Nick Bosa ample how many times do you think has happened? I got thinking about this. We we have to that a court a team took a quarterback in the first round two years in a row. Has ever happened before? I'm lookin', but it's tough clause. I think an was climbing the Clawson was like third rounder. Well, I think he was top of the second round. That was. Yeah. That'd be first round draft pick. I'm thinking Cleveland, but I can't find a possibility. Did they take one after Tim couch? Checking. Did the I was going to say to the bears with. Cade mcmahon. Let me get a couple of phone calls in here. Then we'll go out to the scouting combine coming up Blake in Illinois. Hey blake. What do you have for me today? Hey, Dan, I off I'm spire. I'm an aspiring sports broadcaster. So it's really an honor to be just to be on the phone with you here today. Thank you play. Of course. Yeah. I did want to weigh in on Cuyler Murray. I don't see the cardinals taking him at all. I think it makes the most sense for him to go to the giants. And I think UI manning is probably on his way out or should be on his way out. So anyway, thanks again for having me on I think and good luck in your career. Here's why the giants won't take Murray their GM they've got him in his old school. He's not taking column or if they're taking a quarterback, they'd take Haskins. And then you might have Haskins learn at the feet of Eli manning for one year. And then if you're the giants now, I get rid of Eli contract. Now, I have a rookie contract or at least a first year second year quarterback. And now I can build around him because I'm not spending one hundred million dollars or twenty five. Five million dollars a year on my quarterback? That's the blueprint folks. That's why the market for Nick foles is not large. You would think that there are teams that would be all in for Nick foles. I got a proven playoff guy won a Super Bowl went toe to toe with Brady, but the market's not there it feels like it's Jacksonville or bust here for Nick foles, really does Joe in North Carolina. Hi, joe. And it's Joe six two to sixty. Oh, if I was the giants, then I would trade with I was out. I give them by number by number six pack for Josh Rosen and this 'cause I think Josh Rosen is better than Haskins coming out all higher state. And now the giants back to you. If you got Rosen with Barclay to top type picks us draft. What do you think of that? I think that's a possible. I I don't know if it's a possibility, but thanks for the phone call Joe. But I could see a scenario where the giants if they they could get Josh Rosen. What are they giving up to get Josh Rosen? But then you're going to have him sit and let me lie play because it feels like allies going to be your starting quarterback. No matter what they do in the draft. And you know in fairness to ally. He he gives the appearance that he didn't play. Well, last year his numbers were fine. You didn't have a great offensive line. In early allies not a good regular season quarterback. I mean, he's going to go into the hall of fame. Now, he put up numbers, but he's been playing and he doesn't miss games, but he's going into the hall of fame because of two Super Bowls now. Did you find out if a team teams drafted quarterbacks back to drafts? Yeah. Kind of how long ago early eighties. Give it to you. Early eighties. It's a little bit of a fake stat. Is it? Archly stir number one by the Baltimore Colts out of Ohio State in eighty two. John Elway number one out of Stanford. The Baltimore Colton Eighty-three. Okay. Doesn't really match because they didn't have the there's some trades of all. Okay. Okay. So technically they did drastic or. And they got Chris Hinton and a bunch of other stuff how that all work out arch. Lisa really worked out. Yeah. Is art back in jail back in prison. Do you know him background at all? I think I met him once it was gambling is say quarterback gambling problems. Yeah. And a lot of business scams by him. But I remember there was a book written on orch leader. Heaves the Ohio State quarterback in the title of the book. So help me got straight arrow archly. Stor. Yeah. Not exactly straighter should've been called who's got the under. I know. Yeah. Straight arrow about that one. I check in at the NFL combine coming up 'cause I got to believe that actually feels like this is it's bad news for people in the sports media. The Cuyler Murray is he's over five ten gets a better story. If it's if he's five nine and three quarters now, he's five ten he's almost tall. Can we look and see what what is considered tall? What's the definition? The average American man, and what is considered tall in America? Because I'm guessing six feet tall is tall. Right. So Seton are you toll? Got it from rounding up. Yes. You're six feet if I'm rounding. Okay. I'm like five eleven and a half occur three-quarters. All right. Paulie? Do you have what is considered toll after the break? Oh, you're crazy. And also. I got some Bryce Harper statue for you as well. If I'm a giants fan. I don't know if I'm that thrilled that mayor we may get Bryce Harper. At least today, you may get Bryce Harper already. We'll come back eighteen after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick show if you could live your most prosperous life. What would it look like would you maybe open your own business or buy new home? Go back to college, maybe pay off your loans and save for retirement. I know I'm man I could be three out of those four easy. But whatever your vision is into it can help you get closer to that future with financial tools that will help you. 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What are your thoughts on trace McSorley in how he will fare as a pro. I loved him at Penn State. But I I don't know how that transfers translates into the NFL. How toes trace McSorley is. He five ten mclovin. I'm looking at right now you race to Twitter to see what they said. I haven't found it yet. This is from who DAT as a pelicans fan living in New Orleans. I don't wanna see Davis on the court. I don't wanna see him on the promos. I'm ready for him to be gone in a fresh start. Yeah. It's it's an awkward situation. He doesn't want to be there. And if I'm New Orleans, I don't wanna play him because that's sort of my get out of jail card if I'm going to be a relevant basketball team wanting to be healthy. When I traded Sammy and Minnesota tweets doesn't this year? Celtics team remind you of last year's cabs or this year's Lakers. That's not an indictment of LeBron James. But clearly the team doesn't know how to coexist on the court with Kyrie Irving, especially Gordon Hayward kyri is in an unbelievable individual talent. But I just I not seeing that. Hey, I'm going to be. Leader here. I don't know. He's he's a different. He's a different cat is interesting talented. But at it's an odd scene there watching the Celtics. Okay. Pauly, do you have the average height? Then we'll check in with Tom Pella, Sarah from the NFL network and the breaking news. The Cuyler Murray is told this is from the center for disease control. There's a bet best estimate. They can give the average height of an American man is wants peace. Give me pretty specific number. I'm going to say five ten and a quarter. Move, Dan good. I'm gonna go. Five eleven in an accord. What did the toddler say? I had five ten in order. I'm going to say five ten and three quarters ago. Go five ten flat five nine and a quarter Dan to five nine and a half is their best estimate. Also tall five. That's average. That doesn't mean you're told that means we're taller than the average person. Well, what is toll toll the average? I is they don't have in the Netherlands broS in the Netherlands all of the other ones five eleven and a quarter the rangy over there. But I've nine and a half is the best estimate for the average if you're taller than the average male. Then you're considered tall, you're taller. I think six two is when someone will say, you're a tall person. You have to be at least sixty Tom Pella shero covering the NFL. And Tom before we get started, heightened, wait. Please. Listed weight on my driver's license and height five foot eleven one sixty five in Rieti five nine. Five nine three quarters. But. Did Cuyler Murray? Ruined the story now that he's five ten is. Isn't isn't the story better? If he's he's under five ten. To me. The bigger story was that his hands measured in at nine and a half inches now as we've seen in the past with the likes of Brandon Allen Cooper, rush, their various YouTube videos, you can watch and perhaps gain a quarter inch or so, but it was all the way up at nine and a half inches. That's Matt Ryan territory. It's not quite the Russell Wilson. Drew Brees ten and a quarter. Mick, but it's not bad. All right now, how much of a buzz did Cuyler Murray's measurements ring out there. In indianapolis. I got a bunch of texts from scouts today. Saying good for him that he was able to pack on pounds. You know, when coach go through the circa October column Murphy was winning one hundred eighty nine pounds, which obviously is very light. He's he's an outlier in every different way. You know, this is a player who based upon the measurements on paper. And what you see ten years ago. You would have been talking about him in graph meetings. But you would have been talking about him as a slot receiver. It it seems like some of those hard fast rules. I I don't wanna say have gone out the window. But team seem more willing to accept the fact that maybe some of the body types of things that are outliers. You know may not be completely prohibitive to having success in the NFL. Yeah. Be like Antwan Randle El who was a quarterback at in Indiana. And then, of course, became that slot receiver for the Steelers. I was also wondering this that you know, we measure everybody's words with what they say. Certainly at the combine. And you had the cardinals GM Steve time where he said the own Josh Rosen's mice, you know, our quarterback for now and everybody jumped on the for now, what do you think is going to happen with the cardinals? Because it feels like that. I don't know if it was a slip. But I'm hoping it's a little more calculated than that from the cardinals perspective. It was calculated. I can tell you having spoken to people with the cardinals. And just kind of asked around here. They are enjoying the fact that for the next fifty six days, I think it is they're going to be the center of the universe. And all the speculation is. Going to be on the number one pick. It is interesting that after the season, you know, there were strong support issued for Josh Rosen. And now you begin to get these little hints about well right now. And all those other things, you know, could the cardinals want to potentially if somebody trade up get a draft whole move back and take Tyler Murray. Could they just think that they can put the pick up for bid in general? I think in a lot of work to do on their roster. But you know, everything for them through this off season from the hiring close Kingsbury on down has really seemed to be about. Please come to Glendale. Please get in the stadium. Lease buy season tickets drafting Heisman Trophy winner. Who is you know, an exciting player with regardless of his measurements would fit that pattern. But there's also a lot of skepticism from people who know that team that on draft day, they're actually gonna do it and take column number one. I think if you're only in on cliff Kingsbury, then be all in on Cuyler Murray because Josh Rosen might turn out to be a good quarterback. You're not coming out to see Josh Rosen. You'll come out. And c Cuyler Murray and the cardinals were not relevant last year. Nobody cared. You know? You know? Cleveland became relevant because Baker Mayfield. So not that. That's why you take somebody. But in this situation Cuyler Murray, I would have no problem whatsoever. Taking him and trying to find a trade partner for Josh Rosen. A large part of why it makes sense even sending us side of the football. You're right. It's has been about creating excitement. I mean trying again trying to get people in the seats trying to sell corporate sponsorships and all that. What's fascinating is good Kingsbury in his opening press conference and Steve kind of Senate since talking about how Josh Rosen in fit in that scheme. Well, Rosen could not be more of a polar opposite as a quarterback from Cuyler. Josh Rosen is a pocket passer. He's going to stand in there. Read the defense and throw with Tyler Murray. You're looking at something on the lines of what you know likely the Seahawks did with Russell Wilson. Which is boot legs. Get about side the pocket. Get him on the move not just utilize the athletic ability. But make sure that he can be able to see down field. You know, if you're gonna have to go to a full shotgun scheme all the time. Are you gonna be able to play him some under center? There's a lot of things you'd have to figure out, but I mean shoot. There was no precedent to take a six foot quarterback last year at number one that worked up pretty well with Baker Mayfield. And now Cuyler very, okay. Let's lower the bar two years. We'll have a folk Patrico at number one. Yeah. People's heads exploded last year when Baker Mayfield at six feet, you know, can he play? And I was like do you watch him play like we get caught up in the measurable 's? And then you talk yourself out of drafting somebody because you're going. Well, it can't we look at all the teams. The example I use yesterday. Tom is all the people who talk themselves out of drafting Steph curry or Steve Nash because they didn't think that they could hold up to the rigors of the NBA, and my point is always who's guarding them. They may not be able to guard somebody but who's guarding them. And if you have an advantage in that situation, then you take that guy and you had to hall of famers that teams passed on because they didn't measure up to what size. You had to be Cleveland did the same thing. They they said, you know, what the heck with it? We think he can play either Cuyler Murray can or can't play. I don't care. How tall he is. This stand with all the the new metrics and all the different ways you can test guys in this environment. They still run the forty yard dash they still do the shuttle is they'll do the three calls and a big part of that is because you're talking about cops. It's all about being able to compare. Okay. Who is this guy? Like how did that project for that? So scouts look at they want to be looking at guys twenty years ago and figuring out. Okay. You know in the past what has happened when you've had some similar types of numbers. I mean, I always think back to one thing that Bill Parcells told his scouts for years and years, which is you trying to make a case for somebody in the draft room. Who is a little bit of an outlier he'd go name one name one guy who you're saying is like this guy if you couldn't do it. It was going to be a really tough sell. That's you can't name one like Kyla Murray. But you couldn't name one like Baker Mayfield. Either. Of course, you have guys like drew Brees and Russell Wilson. But those are those are rare rare talents and Baker showed in year one that he'll certainly the game's not too big. But this isn't. About drew Brees is much as it is. Russell Wilson in my opinion. Because breezes a pocket quarterback. He's not a scrambler. He's he's not fast. But Russell Wilson. It feels like changed the optics of what a quarterback has to be or can be. And I think he opened the door more than drew Brees. Did what do you think on? Russell wilson. Russell Wilson was also a third round pick. And they were teams I can tell you that Baker Mayfield in the third round on the graph Ford's last year. It just didn't believe that. It was going to be able to translate not not entirely because he couldn't play. But just where is the value? I mean. Yeah, it John Dorsey taking Baker Mayfield number one, certainly open some new windows here in terms of. Okay. This guy may not fit you can't entirely. Also be looking at or other teams go do other teams gonna have them on the board. Do you think you can get the quarterback for the next ten fifteen years? Take him, you know, it's in my opinion and just talking to people through the years. It's if you are convinced that this guy is a franchise. Quarterback. You take him at number one or number twelve or number sixty. It doesn't go get that guy. If you're wrong, of course, it's going to boomerang on you just as hard, regardless of where he ended up taking talking to Tom Pella. Sarah, the NFL network. You can follow the NFL network reporter on his Twitter. And it's at Tom Pella, Sarah NFL network, providing live coverage, the twenty thousand nine NFL scouting combine March first through the fourth the market for Nick foles, it's open. But it doesn't seem like there's a lot of places here. It's not a it's not a big. I I don't know. I I'm wondering what the market L, Dan. That's it. It's Jacksonville that that is that is the market that that's part of the reason a huge part of the reason that the eagles for naval to find a trade partner as soon as the Broncos made their trade for Joe flacco is that made it virtually impossible for the eagles to create any kind of trade market and the Jaguars. I can tell you never showed interest. In making the trade for Nick foles. Now, it's a completely different conversation. Now, you're into simply signing him as a free agent. If you look at some of the other teams that we don't know there's not many of them who the starting quarterback is going to be with the Washington Redskins. They've not ruled out Alex MacLean at some point in two thousand nineteen Alex Smith is not ruled out playing at some point in two thousand nineteen and they are still paying a lot of money for Alex Smith. So there's some reasons to think that if they bring in somebody else will be a lower level veteran. They may draft. Somebody the Miami Dolphins is the other one while the dolphins are going to go young. They're they're going to be sort of a rebuilding type of an operation. Do you want to be paying a quarterback twenty million a year when you're in that spot, probably not? So the Jaguars just make so much sense. We can oversimplify things at times. I don't think this is one of those cases he's worked with the offensive coordinator. John D Filipo when both of them were in Philadelphia. They've got a defense. That's ready made their run first offense that gear things around foles. It makes a ton of sense unless somebody else emerges. Here and really makes the play which will also make it. Interesting to see how much money falls is able to get if in fact, it really only one t if we're going to slice up. Steve times words the cardinals GM yesterday that I have to do the same to Mike may on the new raiders gym where he did say Derek cars a franchise quarterback. He didn't say our franchise quarterback. Do think the raiders are all in on Derek Carr moving forward. I don't think the raiders are all in on anything moving. Jon Gruden and probably Mike may are there. They've got three first round draft picks. They've got holes all over the place in terms of their Oscar. They traded away Khalil Mack, and Amari Cooper, you know, in a span of a couple of months last year, and they've still got a year at least until they end up playing in Las Vegas. Everything's been for them focused forward on twenty twenty getting Vegas ready to roll them. And but a lot of work to do, you know, his Derek Carr, the guy, I know the junk MS spoken highly of his working relationship with car that he does believe in him. But you know, talking to people around the league here in Indianapolis. I certainly don't get the sense that anybody's ruling anything out including them potentially taking a quarterback in this draft one other thing, and I know that you wrote about this reported on this go back to Cuyler Murray in the role that is dad could play in all of this is he one of those helicopter parents hovering here and could that be an issue? Well, then you had Cuyler. On your show believe at one point you rescue dead to chime in for a comment within that interview. And I can tell you credit to the show a lot of NFL people were watching that to a lot of NFL people were watching all the interviews that Tyler Murray did during Super Bowl week. They were awkward to say. The least by Tom. They certainly got the sense that this was not a kid who is in control of his career. And that is not just simply from those interviews. It's also from digging into what happened when he transferred from Texas am digging into the way that you know, baseball has kind of been an influence here. And the fact that, you know, early December Scott Boris is proclaiming publically that column or is completely committed to the as meanwhile, two months before that scouts have been getting asked by people at Oklahoma saying, hey, Tyler's dad's been calling about about the potential draft projections for the NFL. What do you think the guy? I it's not something that is, you know, something that's gonna rule out Tyler Murray or a huge knock on the kid who by all accounts. A very nice kid. He's more introverted quietly back that a lot of quarterbacks. But teams are absolutely gonna wanna spend time with Kevin Murray. They're not entirely comfortable with just with baseball being in the back pocket. If you know if Tyler goes to a team he doesn't want to or if he's not starting right away to baseball potentially be an influence. I did. Reached out to Kevin before I wrote about this and talked about it. You know, he says that we're advising Cuyler, but he's the one making his decisions he's all in on football. It's, you know, something that teams that are potentially drafting collar Maria just gonna want to examine thoroughly, you know. 'cause you gotta ultimately develop the confidence that we're not going to be wasting picker. Thank you, Tom. You're doing a great job have fun there in Indianapolis. Dan. That's Tom Pella Cerro. NFL network reporter. That's just one of those interviews. It's always going to be cringe-worthy. Oh. The Dan Patrick show. Brought to you by Mercedes AM g they sponsor the man cave. Just go to the Dan Patrick show app. If you missed any of our interviews, including the one with Cuyler Murray at the Super Bowl, Mercedes AM g driving performance, we were discussing that. Remember, we all went out that night and had a bite to eat. We're discussing will teams be bothered at all by the interview on our show by the lack of interview. Or is that over thinking is we we take? No, you know, as you said before we take no pride in how that went off. We didn't. That's not. That was definitely not our goal. It's a trip somebody up or give them an awkward spot. But I wonder if teams look at that and say little deal big deal. No big deal. I think it's a little deal that could be a bigger deal because that's how I viewed it. Once we were done, we went out to dinner that night. And I thought you know, what if I'm a GM or a coach, I it's just awkward that you're doing that. You're you know, you're out there, and you're getting paid to promote something, and you can't handle these questions and. These are basic questions. It's not like I did a Gotcha with Cuyler Murray. And that would that would bother me. And I thought about that when when we were done, and I really wanted to pull him to the side when we were done to say, hey, you really if you're going to do this and do this for a living, and you want to make money like this, then you have to be smarter about your approach here because that doesn't help you. You're not selling your product. And you're not selling you. But you don't want to say anything Derrick jeeter made an entire career out of not saying anything. But giving you the press impression that he was saying something or he boy, he certainly is nice. But he wasn't saying anything. You have to be ready for those questions, and you have to be ready to answer something. But yeah, I looked at that in. I thought it was certainly a little deal in. That's why my point is if I'm at the combine, I don't care. How tall you are how fast you are how big your hands. Are I wanna talk to you? That's the most important thing that I would want out of sitting down with Kyle. If you said, hey, you want to watch him throw. No, no, good. Do you know these people who said boy, there's there was an NFL scout. There's no there's no velocity there. I can tell you first hand when he threw a twenty yard pass to mclovin it's his hard as any quarterback threw a ball that week or even the previous Super Bowl except for Aaron Rodgers. And I'm talking about Zipp. Zip. But I want to sit down with him. I wanna know who he is is he is hungry is he got a chip on. Drew Brees still has a chip on his shoulder. He's a hall of Famer he'll have the the most statistics lead in the most of any quarterback when he's done first ballot hall of Famer he still has a chip on his shoulder because of what people said about him going into the draft. There's nothing left to prove. But it feels like he has everything left approve is Kylie Murray going to be that kind of player that kind of athlete. Tom Brady still has a chip on his shoulder. Because all those teams passed on him. 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Debate Amongst Friends Superbowl

Debate Amongst Friends With Doc & Prof

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Debate Amongst Friends Superbowl

"And now direct your attention to the field for the presentation of the bids lombardi trophy on behalf of the nfl. Thank you to the city of tampa for one of them super bowl week in a season we will never forget. You are the super bowl champions. We will always remember joel to the entire glaze. Your congratulations to jerry and do a great organization. Great players. the vince lombardi. Trophy is staying in tampa bay the wanna know. The road ahead asked the person who sanders. We find that person. Jon stewart seven. Tom brady. Let's give trophy to bruce arians coach. I have so many people. Thank my wife chris christie. Mom's up there. She's ninety five. Love your mom now. This really belongs to our coaching staff and our players. This is your trophy. i didn't do a damn thank. you guys won. This game came together as a band of brothers. And you made it happen so proud of you thank you. Why don't you hand off to number twelve jason. Congratulations but was pretty good. Tom brady super bowl champion for the seventh time. Also super bowl. Mvp the odds. You had to overcome to get so this game and to get to this point right here. How special is this night for you of all the great things you've accomplished. I'm so proud of these guys. Are here everything we are dealt with all year. We had a rough month november but had all the confidence in the team had a lot of confidence came together at the right time. We knew this was going to happen. I didn't we get enough playing. That's the year and there's more to come rights on. There's more to come as far as football coming back we cover about tom. Brady's coming back that's right. Hugh the san man is going down. You heard it here before the show you heard the sound of the bucks celebration as the buck stops here at the end of the season but johnny. We did it again. I'd be with no. You said that we were gonna get beat by shellacked rather packers here i. That's what i do. I did not say. Lacking i did not say good slap or lift anybody says the bucket lose automatically assume slapped off. Now this now where. It's it's interpretation now there. No room I'm you spend the buck stops here. The buck stops here. Means that they're not even gonna show up. I saying that their journey. But i'm you made up for it by them up way doc. Not because i mean you said everything is just say came through. I mean the david and deborah flying all over the place. Todd freaking i mean. I didn't know what was going on. At one point i saw a defense and madden that nobody ever calls the three quarter three man d you know and i was like is he really pulling out the quarters and not only pull out the quarters defense but then he blitz both corners out of his defense and i'm sitting at unlike like serious right now by. He really was a calling a really really good game. I'm like even our favourite. He has the revels. Me doesn't really apply for this because this is bigger that this was i know how beat you now at this so i assume and we. We talked about it. Two weeks ago You know. I think we jokingly i might have said. Hey you're going to go back and look over that oakland tape. But i don't think this had anything to do with oakland. It was like hey oakland this was. This was the perfect plan and it was like. I don't care what happens if you're a cheese fan. It's the perfect crime. But those those perfect plan. I will start to attack a fragmented off deflowered. We'll talk about that moment here. Attack patrick mahomes because completely under duress from jump street. And to mitigate and minimized the impact of attire eke as well as travis. There's a lot going on. there's a large on. Let's talk about time. Noah will we're gonna we're gonna get to everybody who let's be with the defense because the defense did a great job keeping everything in front of them and honestly there were some times where even though they did everything correctly because you have such a stellar quarterback and patrick mahomes which i really want to make sure i give time but They still chance to make plays even though. This defense was really having a run for his life. I think they said he ran over. Four hundred yard scrambling away fucking eighty scrambled on arguments is so ridiculous but the throws he was making the decided to make data stats a hey and this is a stats guy saying this. You have much tommy hans This is a first time. I've ever heard of anyone using this. Any discussion or debate of scramble yards quarterback uses before throwing the but i have never. Maybe i'll say this may be mike vick or randall cunningham. And that's a big. Maybe because my big did used to. I mean he ran back and forth. Lie that i will say that. There's a chance maybe But nonetheless the deficit a great job You know todd talked about forcing them to the left in which there were times where you know even though i didn't want to talk about the game During the game with you we try not to that you just huge is going into it. I don't think i did it too. Good because we wanna cocky. We were we. Were staying in tune waiting for that final. You know zero zero zero there But they really really dominated them. You could tell that. Oh patrick was off a little bit. But we're going to get there. I mean shoutout to j. p. p. shaq barrett and making soup oh really was pushing collapsed in his pocket against that offense a line that you mentioned a really really causing some havoc but devon wine and what levante david did To cover kelsey and the things underneath. I was truly tremendous and i mean the boys playing bonds all year. And i'm so happy that they had an opportunity to play their quote unquote best game yet. At the time mattingly is their best game right. This is robust game richard. Which is what tom brady. Lewd before the game where he said we have new played our best game yet and had this kind of this kind of aling secondary. They did a good job. Because i mean they they believed and and that's another thing talked about. They believed in the system off the believed in the game plan and Able to win the game pissed off. They got embarrassed got gareth. That's the thing that kept talking about. You know they got ariza's you know this is. This could be something that can happen. What about their defense. A recent point really getting play. I mean it's still. We're talking about here right. They wanna get slapped. They're gonna get clap. They're going to get shellacked. It like But i mean listen to what are both has to say here at times. This is three weeks in a row. You in a second chance in an elite quarterback. Just tell me what goes into giving these guys the confidence to execute and win as much as they have in the last three weeks against such good competition them in the best situation as possible with the other defensive coaches and making sure they understand what team did to him the first time and understand what they might do to them the second time while at the same time execute our game plan to the fullest and those guys did a good job tonight in this clip as you can see. He goes over how they failed and pretty much. It goes to show that not only. Are these young players hungry. 'cause you gotta be hungry liberal on but also that they wanted it you know like they wanted this. I'm not saying end know but but the bucks wanted more an indeterminate. We must protect his house. True like is a reality with this game but the pretty back within about began and nocco off the canon night being able to go off. I'm pretty sure they felt a little low. Some about that. But i can't disagree with that It's hard for me to find fault in the nfl wanting to do that. I understand that because they were technically visiting team which is kinda dumb they warrant. That's the part that was kinda weird because the visiting team. That's why i was so weird. Because the chiefs actually called it in the air. That's why i was so weird. Be they called it at the game foam than originally was the visiting team. Do you want to count them in crown. What continue would you assume so. Let's talk about the offense because as much praise. I mean we can go on and on and on about this. He plays that they've made. I mean come. On the fact that the fact that fashionable homes has lifelock for resigned when he sees the dominic can sue coming up. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get to that when we get to the official portion of the rafts which everybody wants to talk about. But let's talk about the offense. Tom brady twenty one for twenty nine. Two hundred and one yards three touchdowns no picks which is completely opposite from my madden. Twenty-one only one only one sack and that was one that he kinda just like folded under pressure by madden simulator. Which i did kind of had a similar score. I guess in reverse having the chiefs win. I think it was like thirty eight to ten years. Thirty cents trust madison. You gotta run it and see what happens but A random ball really really well financed sixteen cash. Eighty nine yards. Ronald jones has really really strong runs. Twelve carries for sixty one yards. Of course net got the touchdown despite the fact that there weren't as many people catching passes. This is that moment where john was like. What tom brady and rob gronkowski jess connect if game and they connected six times for sixty seven yards for net caught a couple passes. Mike caught a pass actress. God caught a couple antonio brown guy the end zone. I cameron break caught a couple of passes so he was spreading it around And it was clean. Twenty one for twenty nine is a clean game like the clean game and the passes that tom missed one. To a tanner hudson in the end zone. What you said you know my guy like it was right. There are talking about this. Have been thirty eight to nine. Yes he was like. Oh auto can. Also the drop by the offensive lineman. Yes right there. He got his railed. But i was so shocked to see him out there. I i was so shocked to see has called the play. We often joe hague But yeah it was a immaculate immaculate. Play calling. I didn't feel like it was too predictable. I didn't feel like they were doing anything just to read things like yeah felt like it was really intentional. In this two weeks they really really said. Hey we gotta go here. We got to win this game. Go out there identity executed so well the fact that they utilize the play action depletes mazing of. Rpo's is a few place for smart pills that they got some pretty good from well to end this utilizing this screenplays as well to like that last year. That was like huge and it just wide open if nia rock but like they just let these titans wide open with these screens which is something that of course. Tony romo a saying in a game that we needed to run the ball. Ron screens around play action. Nothing that's what he said And they did it. They really look good. Rammed only have eight. You know eight incompletions. You know three touchdowns could have been five easily But awesome game. The one thing that this leaves me thinking. Of course we're gonna move onto the chiefs in a second but this has me thinking like i want you to answer this and you can make this answer as shortage like or you can go into detail With the same. Do you feel that jameis. Winston could have done this. Any aberration. you just you just don't believe it. The talent is there we cannot. The game was absolutely talented but leadership and motivation to push not only yourself but the people around you towards something. Bigger is still something. James has got india. Nfl college of course. He had geared. I don't deny that but fell and the college game two totally different beast. I do not think jamie's winston would be able to get these duck near same squat. James seems to be the same by with gronk report net the same. That's quite honestly and so naro people want to say. Well you know you about the interceptions. No it's the intangibles calling your inmates in the off season like hey let's go throw the ball around because this is where it started. It started at tampa bay high school. I think it was in apart during quarantine park guys. I want you guys apply up. It's reaching out to your center about but swit- i mean who does a tangible it is but let's just wanted that out there because i know there's some people out there saying this team you talking about no no. There's a lot of people is not just one person. There's a lot of people say. I know this kid talking about you. Know general oral population saying that. Tom brady chose a stack team. Let's not forget. This team was gonna go seventy nine. They on the cusp of all this stuff blah I just feel that the additional. Tom brady Doing this with you though tom. Brady's edition was huge. Obviously enough for ned gronkowski and abc I think that's good But you know what. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. let's hear from patrick mahomes. And how he felt about the loss and we'll be right back after that not not not really any man a good game plan. They took away all deep stuff. They took away the sidelines. And they they they did a good job of the football and making tackles We we weren't early odd if you missed us. aren't run on the same page But i mean credit to them and they played. They played a heck of a game defensively and offensively us dairy shelter. Patrick mahomes for you know a classy. Even though i personally wasn't keep it. Classy obviously offering about his toe in the beginning. I don't know if you remember that statement. That are kind of hope. They gave him the. I'm gonna get your secretario. We foot off. Oh my god oh you wanna hit people with garbage and now got to cut you. Raise way play no more. You put that fucking raise blow your goddamn pinkie toe off. Now you gonna shoot men. Pink ghetto go ahead shoot eating. That is shoot quickly. You take your best shot at all in any type of toe I mean i was hoping that somebody was step on it. Uh but you know i made. I made a comment during the game. And i said made a lot of comments during a game so yet not as particular this particular one. Patrick mahomes i said if he was a stock i would have purchased it right during the game. He was so good Scrambling ability obviously was their. Fortunately he had to scramble was very unfortunate yes but it was row. A luxury. Descrambler wasn't yeah. It was really really bad but throws that he made it was so funny. Because there's a gif out there of ncwa fourteen. Where the quarterbacks going down and back is he's literally going down. Forwards like it is going down toward the line of scrimmage and he's throwing the ball leaning back this way and it's like the funniest thing ever he throws it like sixty is death of killed and somebody posing that in conjunction with wet mahomes is doing and really almost completing these passes and that's the part that was always about because there's a lot of drops drop so i'll get to that in a moment. So here's the thing that people keep forgetting pack a whole play baseball. He really did. And you know we would have october here. So he can't really talk about it but they could throw they could throw throw in any which angle. Which of course is a lot of things. People are praising obama. These are things that he can literally do and just flicked it. No twenty about the layout two of them either two of them one one one One goal was almost. He always had his knee down. He just like Twenty five yard. I believe they hit a. I wanted to say tyreek hill with the face. Actually that one and then it was another one. I think where. I wanna say it was higgins or pringle one of those and they almost caught it in the corner of the end zone. It was like the perfect location. Like that's where like the wanna tyreek you. He wasn't even looking like was looking. He's just threw the ball. You know thirty forty is via without looking going coming out of a sack or about to be sad and we'll get to some of them sags and the and the second by i mean this is really good. People really try to downplay his baseball career like he like the baseball players. Can do this legitimately but you know there's a difference man. I mean i understand what you're saying. But he's a major difference thing. Donald football in a in a baseball to you is a bigger surface area to grab. that's all. it is no throwing a football with the spiro. I mean that size difference makes a huge difference right now. I am pretty sure. Paschke homes can do those same throws fifty yards deep in the same fashion as he did. i'm garren at guarantee ingrid base our football. The he could do that with with a football. Of course. do we've seen it but it's it's it's not easy though like it's not an easy thing to do that's why they're bringing it up like not. Everybody can come over from baseball. And do a patrick. Mahomes is doing pretty sure. Russell wilson crowley do it but i give what you say. Russell russell can but see wrestles. Something about russell is that i think russell can. But he can't do it like that like throw on the run. But i think russell's arm movement the way he throws the ball. Now patrick i'm able to play physicians to so definitely without question but i mean i. I can't downplay that man. I mean like if i was a casual fan and i didn't have a team. Apollo would be a patrick mahomes fan. I have state farm didn't have. I don't mind people being attached for whole fans but like you know what we all get that. Let's let's catanzaro arrested a cheese because we're in order itself. We'll get to that but okay cash. No-fault works another. Here's here's a quote from. Jackie macmullan from around the horn. Did i really likes. She said the way he the way that that he interacted with the media after defeat made her like pasha homes than the way that he was victory of. Course because that's that's the true definition of champion. I mean he wanted last year he knows how it is and he also knows that. Hey we still got really really good team. It's not like this is the end. I mean who who is really really challenging the chiefs at this particular point. We haven't seen anybody of course we'll see what happens next season but i still think it might be the bills. I think we just need data Iranian just don't think they ready. They need they need something. They're like three pieces away. Honestly and that's another thing i mean. I don't know what's going to happen with. Lamar jackson like really take that at step. All weird see gore. Step back exactly. We'll they often you 'cause he's really not a runner like they don't have to run them in a like they're doing he can pass. He can throw as well. He's a he's a guy who threw a lot of touchdowns at louisville But this is about a cheese. Iran ball Relatively well cares six yards in the second half unfortunately even though it seemed like a terrible game her tyreek hill. He's still had seven catches for seventy three yards. Travis elsia tank catches one hundred and thirty three yards. A couple of drops. Really really excuse me really really hurt his team Really it could have been which. I was terrified of it. This could have been a closer game. I had they caught some of them passes but again saying with the bucks had the bucks cardo sudesh downs or looking at a couple of different game. But offensively i just think that They got checkmated it. It was it was than half the couldn't adapt early. And i mean listen. What topples did. I didn't expect. So i didn't expect it. You know i don't know how they could have expected. They played this high low. They often. Tom look like covered three but it was really cover to cover four. It was it was a lot of man. it wasn't too much pressing But it was a lot of movement I did notice that. The bucks were switching their linebackers depending on where kelsey was side soon. They were letting labontes stay on. Kelsey no matter where you went or reverse But it was insane in cheese. Just they just didn't have the answer What about air-defense. So he's already folks number one You already know. I felt like shot breeland. Should he got tossed. Out of the game Number one he shouldn't have been able to play in this game after his german suplex versus the bills I thought he should have been suspended indefinitely as far as everybody else. Obviously tyra matthew. You know had a couple hiccups. You know where. He kinda at emotional. I guess i'm a lead obviously into the officials porsche portion of it but The people that are worried about. Mostly chris jones frank clark to coin a phrase that. We've used several times over the last couple of years. Those guys were neutralized thing where they were. We didn't really talk about your offensive line but yes. There wasn't much of a fact during the game. S out of the one sack tom brady. Yeah i mean honestly is not really a whole lot to write home about maybe in the first quarter yet you could see. They arrive. Yale like valkyrie. The best like acting. We're still need the bucks. Were pretty much able to do whatever they want. I mean they the first couple of drives you know think you said they were throwing jabs at each other. You know. honestly what what's going on. There were a couple of penalties that happen and obviously want their. I guess it's time for us to really get into that penalty before that though. Let's just. I'm gonna say this objectively again. The chief secondary deal tire first half of this game. So so listen i i'm gonna say all bad i will say objectively so very that's why i now i. I didn't say he said gentleman was proud. Young idea that not not to tampa bay fan. Professor john f. Educate the game. But i didn't feel like i didn't feel like you know and this is going to sound objective. Of course i it's gonna sound objective. Subjective it's gonna sound you sound like. I'm being a homer you know bike but i didn't see too much but penalties out there i like outside of jp jp literally jumping off sides. Like it was like the holding on. Carlton davis i did. Agree with the roughing. The passer on the one that they called on the bucks where they sandwiched mahomes. It was really ugly looking. But i thought everybody was kind of heels air like but i think they just kinda gave it to him because it looked so bad now. We'll say this one that was missed. i can say this without a shadow of a doubt. Sue definitely contact him. Did say f did And mahomes is asking for the flag interrupt. Seen it but i mean su he was already going down in Sue came and you know he gotta cut. Subic patrick on the way down. Didn't saying we must protect his health. Lake don't ever play with matches can stop smoking like it was really. That's why the ones that i. I would say the rest miss that because he definitely like coal cochran right in the face. Joe garcia dos. Joel didn't step on the to- i wanted him to buy out and But the past failures calls on the chiefs. I mean come on guys. Like i don't think it was bad. I thought there was some hold like literally there was holding. There was a legal contact But i think since that packers game where people you know. They got that flag. I think that's all people think about is like the quote unquote refs always bailing brady out. But it's like that. Play down the field. Mike evans is wide open into the indian zone. A guy pretends to stumble and trips his foot. And they're like. Oh my god you would. We need that was a that would have been an awful call not call because i was pretty upset with the one that happened later on. Bronx retiring matthews literally tackling him prior to the ball arriving. I'm like you guys kidding me. But i was entire tyron a opi call the second ground td and not even close anything like that happened. He does be new quote. Unquote impeded his direction. Like that's literally variance impeding or holding or stopping someone from catching the ball with your body. You can't do that and the bucks the way they were doing. It was the legal way. I i think when When we call the first interception the defense back put his arm like not even touching the receiver put. It puts his arm in the way of the ball hits. The shoulder bounces up. Pick steel tip deal a tip drill interception And and that's what that's what. We're talking about both ticks or both foul tiptoes. Actually yes. so it's like we were playing the right way I'm not trying to buy no flags about knoll. Sakes is now suddenly a whole bunch of stories coming out that the nfl has rigged. Listen we've been talking about the nfl and the nba ridge for years. Nobody wanted to hear it whenever it comes down to. Your favorite player is is rigged by when other people say player now square. Which would it be as we're headed the ball. We love lear. Like come on girls like what you're talking about So i think. I gave you a list of different reasons. Why people feel like felt like this game you do the remember. The one about tom brady is two of our tom brady. There's people who tom people who don't like time. Yeah people who don't like foot. Who don't know football i guess chiefs fans. Nfc no afc east fans at the said and nfc. South fans is one said a witch bills a lot of heat. I mean do a lot of heat. But i was having year. There was hate even before the nfc time likes just beyond as put that out. It is and the seats. Honestly acting beat. Taylor heineke heineke year which keep being about oil rig. Six half of the young guy couldn't get over like the people talk like this is. Wwe a lot of people were saying that that it was fixed like wbz but honestly the football team had the best chance of winning. Honestly when you really look at the way the games went the red. What ball team really really played really well and and kind of help us in check. Drew brees couldn't get you know. Get out of his own way. Yea can get things going. And then i think had the saints switched to jamie. this could have been a whole. Different story It could have been worse. Could have been better but either way it would have been a whole different And in aaron rodgers. I mean he chose to throw it instead of running in in nature. Does that kick a field goal in the fourth quarter and then decided to hold. You know tyler johnson on a bang. Bang play in polish shirt. But listen they won the superbowl man. I had about eight and this is this goes back to what we talked about with the lakers. Winning a championship go too deep into this. But the reason why people don't like lebron rain is because he's probably one of the only i won't say the only he's probably wanted to first players to ever have a whole bunch of hype and actually excel and succeed in that hype like excel. Yon that That's why people get labeled bus so fast because they they don't meet the height. Tom brady comes into the nfl. He got no high six quarterback trade the six seven quarterback taken in the draft and draft He goes into six around. Nobody knows tom brady. Who is this guy. Drew bledsoe goes down. He starts drinking and dunkin all over the place winning all these games and now a ninety years later. He's the goat so when he comes the tampa. And everybody's like oh my god a tom brady. They got oh. My god i got growing olma gone. It's the champ adrian. That's what we were called at. Tampa bay patriots. Oh my god it's him. Crank it jerry. In the hype. It hype train is real. We talked about this Where they you know hype or psych. I mean really leg are they. Are they pretenders. That's what it was all about up to the midway point i felt they were pretenders. I still believe up until yesterday. They were benz. I don't know what everybody else e. But when i'm looking at this game i'm like this team. I don't know who they think. A day burns okay and until that clock zero zero zero zero. They were buns. I'll like the way they play. Sometimes i'll either way you know some people run through the little steam tunnel allegheny ab buns from the moment. They walkout locker room. I've said it to you yesterday. Then dental light right out without his helmet like john gotti helmet gonna play with coming. So let's complaining about the way. Ronald jones running the ball. Exactly i complain all the time. Because i like tom brady. Expect perfection when al here on this field. Representatives butts team. When i'd be seeing these guys out here plan. This way is so ridiculous if so frustrating. Speaking docs reaction okay. Let's spend last portion of the segment to let the people know how you celebrated debt by itself deserve to be talked so at the opportune time. Obviously when the clocks read zero zero zero zero the confetti is falling honest. i didn't even see the speeches. Like none of the speech. Any of the celebration honestly. Tom is celebrating. The equalizer was. Oh my god it was so pretty interesting turned out to be pretty good queen latifah jersey But right i wanna yeah. That's right. I went out on the balcony. You know and immediately and this is exactly why we cute it in the beginning. The first thing that came to my mind was to take a beer chips. And just i mean do this one can of beer and almost one gulp let it drip down my face. I don't even care. Like i'm gonna drink this beer. That's right pause. I'm going to drink this beer. And i'm gonna love it but it was such a rewarding experience. I can hear the beer falling off the patio as i. You know open and it just blew everywhere just doping it down my bucks shared on or my mind over matter share which is covered in napoleon's hair holding all game long Which i had to take it out. Dads needs another. Say somebody call me and and it was just a good time man but nonetheless. I didn't see any of the celebration. I had to go back and watch it. I missed everything like it was like a whirlwind of emotion. And then i got a little bit of a a little bit of the bubble ed and which i was able to Pat open and as you saw spill it on my phone phone's okay. No phones were harmed in making video hilarious. Finally like hit home to monday settled in on monday you. Luckily i was off on monday. You know and Of course i had to run some areas. But luckily i was off. And i was able to really let it soak in and let it. You know i mean. I could call people. And say hey. Meteors is dumbo is a bun. Still you know the bunn. Meter debunk clock starts over. Okay if history star of history repeats itself like a dead on sunday than these next ten years is going to be real rough or fifteen years or whatever it is but we're going to see what happens But tom there man they talking about extending him. So we'll see what happens. Well let's take a quick break and come up with a final. let's come up with a final segment here and see what's next for these. Two teams are bag and before we get into the future for the bucks and the chiefs. Let's talk and give a quick show of respect And our condolences for kansas city chiefs head coach marty schottenheimer. Who passed away today Really really said he was really one of those head coaches that kind of symbolize nineties. Football for me. He was one of those guys that joe is seen. I'm sure he'll be missed by his family and friends. But we're here to talk about the off season for the chiefs and the bugs will start with the chiefs. They have a few a few free agents that they're gonna have to try to keep some of those. Of course include sammy watkins demarcus robinson alex for obviously suplex city himself for shod religion. You know e continue to suplex in kansas city. Will see some office alignment. Mike remers and Bear center austin raider. Ask some some pieces to try and in kind of re resigned Do they kick the tires and resigned. Levian bell who really didn't do too much them. The andre baker is a free agent. So there's a couple of people that they're going to have to resign. I'm curious to see. Exactly what their plans are But yeah anyb any notable names there that i mentioned that you think is a must resign for them. Honestly now honestly. It's really hard to tell. Because so what are the issues with the chiefs. Offense is you never know who's going to be that person we know we know tyree kills number one. Well travis kills labor to like after. And it's kind of i mean and all of the receivers after that are on this list. Yeah pringle you have a everybody's on this list so it's almost like the entire wide receiver core. Either they're gonna resign one of these guys or they're gonna bring in somebody new so i mean it's it's really interesting but i agree with what you're saying though without question but i think they are probably better off just getting some more people in and seems in obviously had the injuries and so both the offense i do see that colletti Malet is on here as well as the other two three on that i mentioned so this could be a really a new team obviously with kelsey and cheetah You still have some really really top players on defense You know who did they bring back you know they brought in taco charlton remember when the cowboys cut him So they have some players yet. I think what the chiefs need. They just really need a legitimate receiver. I think that they're issue like we don't really have a go to remember three receiver and the thing. That's thinks that the salary cap is going down. Also so exactly which is why they probably won't be signed not even a fourth those people right So let's let's look at my tampa bay done any the super bowl champs. Obviously the top dogs alabama david. Chris godwin shack barad. He got gronk. He got endowment sue. leonard fournette. who've they've already come out and said they wanna keep antonio brown finally kicker. That's actually made some cakes and ryan suck up. The shaw mccoy said he's retiring We traded for steve mcclendon from the jets rocky muni nunez roaches. Who played some really really big minutes. And the playoffs. With innovative being out some special teamers in ross cockrell and ryan smith the aforementioned joe haden who dropped the touchdown pass We have some of the players. Blaine gabbert who's a backup. He'll by be resigned and ryan griffin. Indra adams is another player It's i don't think there's too many people you can definitely get rid of jade mickens. I'm already feeling. Jane journalist interesting one here. Aaron steny who kind of filled in at right guard. He did really really will. I was really happy with what i saw from him. So the you d think and with him getting a pretty year contract so having john back up like he's probably gonna get somebody's gonna try to steal them. I mean i would be happy for him. But i mean that goes to show like you know if you're as we had alex capela out outs. Cap is a really good alignment. But what. I saw from aaron stephanie and super bowl and in the playoffs You know he played really really well. So i could see him being brought back Tough one though so. He proved your team. Prioritize back. I i'm guessing. Devante david and jack barry writer check up one so in my opinion i think if i'm jason light i'm going to live on tuesday and i'm asking him like hey you know what's it gonna take to keep here because i i mean personally. I want iraq data. Be you know one of those bucks that retire a book you know and i know when i have conversations with some of my buck friends one in particular. He's always upset when players leave. All randall l exactly that all. But i mean right. Now he's making probably about ten ten to twelve million. I think it's ten million if we can keep levante around that price I mean he's in his thirties. Now at least thirty one described his last big. We'll say quote unquote big contract. So we can keep him around that ten million. I think that'd be good Shag bury the good thing about shack. Bears contract is that he's already making fifteen million dollars so if we can keep him around fourteen or fifteen dollars been we're gucci as the young kids would say next. Oh it's freaking. Chris godwin i mean i know we heard the report earlier today. You know. I think. I reported to you that you know mike evans said he would you know. Give up some cash to stash people on the team. You know what i mean like. He said he would give it up but it. That's a lot of money. mike. I know you make a good amount. But that's a lot of money to be able to not only pay you pay the people and then you gotta think about antonio brown you bring him back. Which antonio brown made a lot of money he made eight hundred eight hundred thousand dollars just for winning the super bowl so antonio brown is okay. I can see him keeping his contract low and going incentive based but if they do decide because you think about it although crisci won't make some great catches and i would love to keep them. You got tyler johnson. You could bring a be back you still got. You know gronk you're gonna get your tied in back. Oj howard You know you're still gonna have a pretty good debt at receiver so acting. If anybody's going to be the cap casualty with be chris godwin and thanks to very happy but but we did come says. That is gonna getting chris gall but he's gonna wanna make more money now that he's he's gonna wanna make more money and he's excelled. He's another person that. I sailed beyond that beyond ben second a second round window you know. He's really excelled. and now. here's the caveat. So mike evans says hey. I'm going to sacrifice some money if somebody like tom. Brady gronk if these guys contribute. You know less. Say and i've mentioned this listen. Jp might be like you know what. I won three superbowls you know. I think i've had enough and again to man you know. I got a super bowl. You know approved myself better than gerald mccoy. All these years You know. I you know i'm real number ninety three. You know i'm gonna get outta here He might be another one that my take cut or you know. Move on because you have those guys. It's really going to just come down to lie. Hey we want you by. Are you working with us jewel when you know you know. That is a high chance that you're going to be you know number one wide receiver. People wanna go after. Do you want to play for the jets. The lions that texans the patriots. A washington football team they. Do you want to play for the jacksonville. Jaguars and trevor lawrence like you. If that's what you wanna do because those people that probably would have the money to do it like. Do you want to do that or do you wanna stay right in tampa which a pit bull and you girl you know if you want. Stay right here in tampa. You know running around and is nice. Beautiful weather getting passes from the goaty notoriety. No and just take a couple of tak- a small hit you know like instead of getting the fifteen and sixteen million maybe your second contract you take seven to eight million. Maybe you know like you take eight to nine million and you just route. Chris is out to. Do you want to make money or deavere. Run this back in. That's ultimately going to be the thing. And i can see tom giving up some money. Tom only no money. Let's be honest. Time do not need no money. He just sold his condo. I think another house. He's got endorsements at the oiseaux is probably gonna get another one. I mean tom. O'neil come on so airfare grown. I just had a hilarious. Your breathe decides. He's not reciting back to say he says. I'm going to back up tom. Brady oh my god that would be too much. I could see drew. Because i think they said something about redoing his contract in new orleans. Also it's one of those things you know and again. That's something that tom could easily do. Tom wants a running back. Tom did everything for an abc. To come in. I think tom is going to stay loyal to tom. He's gonna do whatever time wants to do. Gronk is gonna come back. Like i said he's gonna come back. It's really like the yellow is like garwin shaq barrett. I i mean. But i stay. I'm not making a million on that franchise tag. I only really really have to do. I read this. And i know you're gonna say while they phones. I read this pro. Football focus article buchan ears and they were saying and i'll quote it. If it comes down to levante david or shaq barrett the decide of the ball. The choice shushi all linebacker and ninety year buccaneer generated twice as nearly as much Wer a tampa than bear. The course of the last two seasons. And it's gonna cost far less. I couldn't understand why they would say that. I mean don't get me wrong. I love shaq barrett. brings you know. Can they do the same thing. I know that they is a tough one. Man it's a tough one I mean i appreciate that. Don't you got how how you get the band back together again. I do want everybody to come together. But i mean shot rings. He got. I do know that they are high on anthony nelson. I know that And at the end of the day you know anthony nelson will come in. You also have the possibility If the texans just so happen. I mean if they just so happen to free j. J. watt. I mean jay playing. Yikes you think about it. Jj is his. He's the last year of his deal. Right seventeen million. It's in that same area. That in a shack is in thirty two years old. You know he can move a little bit not as not as dominant but you know the work ethic is still there you know in. He'll be second in the gym or on the you know in the building after time You know he might just be devon white. They're like by microseconds I don't know. I think that's it's just one of those things like i mean. If i'm the bucks. I really take good hard. Look at this and say hey if we lose sag barron. Do we make the deal and try to trae for. Jj watt. maybe he restructures his deal Again this open man. I got like i said. I think it's gonna come down to those little we think about the show mccoy's retiring we can let go of mickens and some of those guys that i really really don't care about you. Make a decision on steny like you know. I don't know if if he's the long-term answer he really really did. Good though e really really good East twenty six years old. I don't think he's making a lot. I mean he's making pretty much minimum so he could get a. I think he'll get a bump. It's not gonna be a lot unless another team says. Hey give you seven eight million dollars which is very possible. It is light. He's he's a young guy. Twenty six years old. He six seven million. You know in the box might just try to give them to three million and then hey take it or you don't about here play alongside of trump out there. Jacksonville exactly I guess last points about these proteins for the draft You think it's what do you think the chiefs go after evening. The bucks What would need do you think the bucks go after in the draft first round second round when whenever the chiefs are legitimate. Third dr receiver. Like i think that's a huge issue that they have they kinda got exposed that way. They didn't really have anyone else to really throw to. Outside of travis kelsey entire kill them having a them. Having legitimate third option will definitely get them pretty far like someone that actual hosting throws consistently true not sporadically like walking train. Golan harmon robison argue. I think outside of that. I think they need a. They need a linebacker. Someone that can have as a project in. I think they just need a little bit more debt in their offensive line. That that's what they need for the cheese. The non. I think would be good for the bucks. That one's tricky so they have a lot of veteran leadership in the states cannot so can i. can i give you a lifeline. Shore so every year. I feel like in the first round the bucks. Draft some wine to really. They have the best player on the board. But it's always to replace somebody. So when i'm looking at this i wouldn't be surprised if we see the bucks. Take someone to replace one of those veterans. So just think about the veterans on the team. And then say okay. Yeah makes sense now. I can do this. So which veteran do you think that bucks would try to replace it burns on the floor. Accept they get back put in position to replace. It could be somebody that's under contract for awhile telephone. I i can agree. It's definitely tough. And i don't really know okay. I didn't. the tight end position is pretty locked in a wide receiver. I mean hotel mike. Right calls it. He go the lead dog there but even if he does call it. I mean tom brady has shown that free and throw to anybody again. Yeah me what you think offense or defense. I think it's gonna be defense. At least the first pick i can. I can agree with that So i'll save for the chiefs. I definitely think it's going to be often to line. Because they just need to make sure that they protect their asset facts. I know they lost. You know their top tackle and you know they had to flip things around but some of the other linemen they they really were holding up their own so i would say that will probably be in their future. If not vail beginning divas a back to replace either brisson commie soup lake city brillon or deondraye. Who hasn't been as successful if they would hold but you know he's there For the bucks. I could see them. Drafting another hybrid defensive lineman slash linebacker and this is regardless of weather bear. Come back or not. I think there with anthony anthony nelson pick I think they are going to try and continue to give people on that front in front seven because for some reason they believe in the back. Four i don't know why but the believe in called davis and they believe in you know dean in those guys back there. This is how terrible they play a whole year They believe in the second ability day. Step that like out. And i'm going to give them flack forever. So you have to worry about but yeah i think That's one of those things. i think. it'll be a deepens alignment. I don't think we're gonna drop off and we're gonna draft player. Even if we lose chris godwin unless unless there's just a wide receiver there if or receiver. That's best like like like it's hard to pass Like i if some ridiculous way like you say you. Long term solution on. Enure operative wives the last draft patricia worth ryan omar one of the best picks in my entire frigging history of liking the bucks i wanted endemic ensues so bad all those years ago i gerald but i wanted don against them so bad i wanna cowan johnson so bad but i just felt like the lions are always in a position to take the players that i always wanted but this all been waiting for twenty for twenty years. I've been waiting for an iowa. Lineman omar god. I wanted an iowa or wisconsin linemen. I felt like those. Are the guys that you go after and we just never did it but if it just so happens and i don't know if this is reality or this is just like you know some crazy if devante smith somehow bell all the way down in the first round administration the butts would have to take him. I mean they would have to. But most likely it'll be a divas alarm and They drafted way too many bags I think it'll be free agency for bag of the ad anybody I don't think we need another linebacker. But they could go linebacker depth to replace levante as his last contract. I'll say But most likely it's going to be a linemen most likely this is good to see the bucks man. Chief south of the bucks What a great great super bowl. We didn't really get a chance to say how great the game was. I mean it was really really teammates jack about that. Yeah it was a really really good game. I'm really happy with the way that they were able to buy. They i mean the bucks or able to play their style of football And you know. I'm hoping that moving forward. You know they come out faster and not play like they're playing the giants that that one game like. That team never looked like they were winning soup. Modena's play the bears. I would never known that this team played in the super bowl. And whenever i see the bucks on a schedule gis claims my cheeks. Yikes yikes I thoroughly enjoy watching this game more. Still because everything that i said last show ended up being exactly what happens when it happens. Mistakenly happy to you. Act like you're team won the super bowl man. I'm pretty. I'm alice hype for you. I was still for you. Man like if anyone deserved in i editor. Anyone deserves to have their team win the super bowl this year the role the harsh shits the tears shed heartaches ari its stock leasing. Folks like like he deserted. He isn't example of true football team. Fan who'd jerseys. Like they do their underwear don't and I just can't see why anybody would want to do that. Like i know there are some good players out there and you know you want to ride with that player. But then it's it's the it's going sound in sports. It's what we have such an issue of a basketball. No i'm a rocket fan through and through whatever happens through through and i'm so glad gone their girls and i'm happy about that because we didn't give up the whole farm november so we'll see what apple see you doc like. You really do deserve this win. I'm like seriously. I'll just happy that your team made it to the super bowl and they absolutely dominated the cheese and everyone's talking about how they let this happen. Well if you watch the games he would see the patterns. Yeah and what that we're gonna take a quick break and come right back with debate amongst trans right after this at the end of every show we do. What's called the two minute drill where we go over stories and headlines that we didn't get a chance to cover during the show this week. The aforementioned new york knicks did fire former nick. Derrick rose reuniting him also with tom kids for dennis smith junior at twenty twenty one second round. Pick proud so happy about that. And i'm really happy about fred. Vanvleet bleed a player who. I spoke so highly. Eeo wanted to be a nick and he got a contract extension fifty four million dollars. Here's playing to that contract. I'm just proud active doc. Yeah i'm pretty proud of him as well. He's worked really hard for new coach. Dan campbell Of the detroit. Lions has made a higher poaching ass right. I said it poaching new super bowl winning offense of assistant from the bucks antwan randle el and he's going to be hired as they are receivers coach. That's so sad. But i'm happy for antoine and long but that's all we have for today. Show be sure to tune in next week. For the finale as we will go over the season in review as well as your hall of fame choices or twenty twenty one tune in next week. 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[153] Are new uniforms coming?

Buccaneers Observer

46:22 min | 1 year ago

[153] Are new uniforms coming?

"The water on the Goddamn Huddle. I'll tell you when you get a water break. Welcome to the buccaneers observer podcasters all campuses route Phillips Molly Bay today is February Twelfth Twenty twenty coincides with Janus New Vision. Lots of news. Every intro in two thousand twenty days of the kiss can't pass up that type of good lead man at twenty twenty twenty twenty. It's all about the vision lots. That's a good news happening today. It's so funny. We were working on our Jameis Winston pros and cons debate. podcast headed already Redo it tonight and a boom all this stuff happened. I'm just really excited about football again. A lot of good stuff to talk about. Yeah January I kind of took off for the month. You kind of have to. But we're not in the playoffs and the Super Bowl and Yeah I wonder if the players feel that way to like no Chilean for like a straight month median somewhere warm preferably fat and happy. Yeah during the Margaritas on the beach all right so so the big news today. A buccaneers getting new uniforms. There was a teaser video posted by the buccaneers. It was a cold video. I thought it was really well. Then you haven't seen it got check it out. It's like a minute long year. The kind of gave a few hints as to what is going to be. We don't know yet which that's the nervous part. The new uniforms though are coming. It appears to be throwbacks to the glory days which to me. That means. It can't be the you know. I don't think so but they did have a lot of orange in the video. The Guy It's like a guide I- graffiti and graffiti basically and he had like an orange watch ban were orange on the graffiti. Dang add a Stencil of the buccaneers ship so there was an orange on there but there are still a lot of red so I'm not too concerned that they're getting rid of that part you I saw orange ridden pewter stood out. There was a little bit of white now. There was A. It's been all kinds of rumors going on with us for quite a while. I actually but there was a Nike lucky insider on Reddit of a while back who said that the helmets are going to be white in Jersey and pants had a gradient. Going from white to cream tickled to read and then back it was like the as a reference to the Utah Jazz Gray uniforms and he mentioned Kinda look like a Kilo Sunrise drink high liked to kill us sunrises but they made me bar fun time. Uniforms won't make you more and I don't know how I would feel about a white helmet but it would make sense that. Then they'd be able to do their throwback uniforms to the reason why they haven't done throwback uniforms is because the NFL's mandated that players have to use the same helmets all year long wrong in our helmets or pewter though back to white so we can't do the throwback uniforms if we had white helmets. We can't are they just don't match. Oh I don't know why they would match so we can't have about that so a white helmet off feel about love the helmets as they are. Don't change the helmets. I I would suggest but if you change the color only I could probably get used to it so upset it might go to white instead of pewter helmets. They'll know we'll see. It's really kind of nerve wracking because believe it or not. It's a big deal. I became a fan in part because of the colors. They switched from orange to the red and and read my favorite color. Just happen to coincide with hardy. Nickerson go into the team out. The big thing is all aligned so you talked a lot of people about about you know. Especially when they're out of state fans why they pick what teams they picked to be. Fans of you brought. You'll probably get thirty percent. People say it's the colors they might not admit. Need it right away but colors a lot uniforms me. A lot logos neela there for a reason so hopefully they won't screw this up again. Like I said Eh. The word March to me is beautiful. It's piece of art. Hope they don't change. that a really liked the big logo the flag the got rid of the coal over with the skull. Love de I can never unsee that and you never told me about it until I think we change still unknown because I didn't WanNa pointed out because this is one of the title. theat you can't Unsee it so I guess jerseys are going to be heavily discounted. We talked about before last podcast. We're talking about. I need to check them amount. But I saw a mockup of the gradient uniforms for buccaneers. And I'll look good too much orange for me. I prefer red but it looked good. Good when you say a gradient like just fades from one color to the other no other uniform in the NFL looks like that right. No the Jaguars. Moore's did it on their helmets for a couple of years. Remember that put you know uniform. Look it would be a very very different. And now it'd be interesting into because how many fans are if they look cool if they do it. Well how many fans when we get the eye catching it's different. You know it's a big deal it would definitely bring people into the fan base and you might think well that's a crappy reasonably fainted football team but you know it's just as good as any other reason doesn't matter as long as we get fans hands. That's what's important cadet fan base going. So he gives them national. TV Games some of the players had some thoughts to Ryan Jensen wants to cream sickle back. Probably because he's a ginger so match and then Donovan responded to him and said basically like now I want something that looks cool right. Yeah the criminals are not really cool or intimidating. Especially the Bucco Bruce that was just so you know variance Arians with Ya within it. Only be good for as long as Meyer. Imagine another coach coming and going. I'm not going to coach team with the previous coaches face on the helmet. The browns rams and Atlanta Falcons are all getting new uniforms. This year's well this was unusual because the NFL only in in the past has allowed to teams about two teams year to change their uniforms. Now the browns are not totally changed their uniforms. I think they're going back to their old uniforms. which it what's the difference? I'd they always look the same to me. The browns have had the same uniform base. I really liked the lettering down the side of their legs. But I think I was only person in existence at like that so I think they're doing away with that is going back to their old browns thing. But the rams and the Falcons are getting complete. Overhaul the Falcons will show off their new uniforms in the April of probably when our new uniforms that long. Why would they do this as it's fun? Suck gives us some look how excited we are two months away. I guess I was thinking like. Maybe they'll show it next week. They'll probably start leaking little things out loose more videos of I heard they're doing more videos like they did et Al Keyser. Today okay Now uniforms can be changed once every five years. Except the there's there's two exceptions when you get a new honor or windy team changes locations now. The Rams are changing location. So they're getting redo their uniform. Why are they going? I'd get a new stadium Los Angeles Coliseum or some crap like that I don't remember But Falcons like I said they're getting totally new look. That'll be the interesting so we're going to have to teams in our division with totally new looks. And that's that's another thing I want to get to. We might not change due an overhaul. We could just change a few things thanks and I don't know how the NFL. I know you have to notify the NFL a year in advance. When you're going to change your uniform I don't know how much of a change you have to notify for for and I don't know if this if you just change a few things like the colors on the shoulder pads of the numbers or something simple like that? If that's considered a one of those five year a period changes dolt now but we if that might be a thing they might just be changing a few small details. We don't know you don't know anything yet. Nobody he knows anything unless of course you want take the word of that. Suppose Nike insider. He said that the pewter was done they weren't GonNa have any pewter. But on this teaser Taylor. There was plenty of so we'll see we'll see though there was funny Giller. He writes from Bucks Nation he had just written and an article yesterday. Title of it was put the uniform talk to rest. He's getting eh posed yesterday and he said he had an inside source that said no changes. Were coming to the uniform source. It's clearly not wouldn't decision. Our Guy Eighty war. That'd be the end of my right. And what he says animus source was not very good so he's been getting a hard time by everybody today. So that's exciting. I mean it's a big deal. Big Deal means We'll get to buy all new uniforms and jackets and stuff you know. I've got not so much red in my wardrobe see crane sick on needed change. Well I've got one piece of cream cycle apparel a hat hat hat even count. I don't look good or wear hats right now. The big piece of news you say about the universe I wish they would just come out with it. I don't WanNa wait too impatient inpatient. We're GONNA get to see all kinds of Monaco. You've they've been doing it all year. The people have been doing Mauka uniform for the buccaneers. Because there's been rumors that we're GONNA get the change. Then some of them are pretty good. Some pretty good some of that crap though but it's to each his own. I really concerned. My biggest concern is the word market helmet. Everything else I can live with but you know if they changed the flag the book is Bruce or you make the helmets going to because on that. He's our trailer. It still had the same logo it actually had this ship with the new logos. I don't think that they're going to go back to buckle. I don't think so either but you never know right you never know. I didn't think they'd do alarm clock members either. They surprised us all with that. We're GONNA be so nice to watch game film now and not have to fight with those numbers in a gradient and then you can't read because of the colors could be worse. I don't think anything could be worse. The numbers on the shoulders case it all in numbers on the shoulders are so small to I etc can read the numbers on crap fleas. Like a women's shirt will they. Were there. Were red numbers on that pewter color on the shoulders orders and you just couldn't see the numbers at all not at all times. You couldn't even tell there were numbers on there. But I'm excited. I'm excited last time. They they busted out. The new uniforms and I was was excited at first when I saw mainly because all of Oz looking at was the logo and I was like I really liked it. Cooled though. Yeah the home that was that was my main thing I was looking John that is also redid the skull and a flag look beautiful. They enlarged it and they put that Chrome Grille on there. I love the crime. The Chrome Monreale too. But that might be gone. Don't nickel on a white helmet Jameis. Winston has played his whole career in this uniform. The correct correct. I think we changed. What two thousand fourteen got him? Two Thousand Fifteen sixteen. Yeah how do we not know what the worst thing. Now I think think we drafted him in fifteen fourteen saying it us now it was. It was fifteen because it was lovey. A second year and Josh mccown was the quarterback the first year to fifty what I said that's right and we got the New Jersey's in two thousand fourteen to say two thousand fourteen. Yep Right so yeah Tim. Switzerland played his whole career. These uniforms that this is going to be a perfect segue James Whistle GonNa get new uniform. And he's going to be able to see them. Because Thomas Winston at it has been released got surgery on his eyes. There were a couple of twitter users last week. That were saying they have sources close to Jamie that said he got lake. It was Corey Hayes and Janus Amos one on one and they got pooh-poohed and then a big flight on twitter established media and these guys were just go oh in hand and it was so good flight and actually and then came out with an article today confirming Janet Lane. Also well Jacobs Wisden's agent came up said so that's why they the mainstream media was like all guy well we'll trust this guy well wreck published at first. Let's go with that. He said the team did not make James It I don't think they could make now. Obviously now hippo laws against the tiny down it they say he got lasix. That'll everybody's saying we don't know yet or not. Just like the techni. He added to say any kind of career. I think that's what's being used here because they don't suggest that two athletes because you do cut the cornea Nia and that flap can't come loose jar around enough those other techniques use. I can't remember the name of it like more soup or marks or something like that. But it you know it's it's I less of a cutting of corneas tight. Damore laser eye major last night as well surprised me. When you got lay sick? Always thought LAZIC was they. Just use the laser. No they slice your bulb and flavor fa suck it out with this machine. It was awful I would not I would do it again well. I don't regret doing it but I don't know if I ever had to get like touched up or something I think I just got back to glasses. I don't really know really traumatizing. There was not enough value on the planet. It was painful it was painful after industry would not watch the video. Because has we had Let me see they. This place we went to. They actually did a narration video of the procedure of the funding out. 'cause I'm sitting with my cell phone video and she said like does observatory room with glass walls. Everybody could just sit there and see. The operation on in operation was up on these big screens. You know they're. They're cutting all up in her album. And I'm sitting there filming it and I'm hearing this lady talk. And she was like talking about what was going on. I turn around. And she's sitting there filming wing. It was part of the service and after after the surgery was gone she handed his USB owns like. Here's your video of the procedure was like Oh S.. Cool who will not watch where it is. It was horrible pain one of my eyes and then after the surgery three turns out. It's like filled with blood and it was a breeze basically but I like it was fell in blood sidewalk like that for about three weeks. Bruised clammy army. I told everybody no hitter on the other side. That's the that's the surgery I had had listened the first time. So that's a big deal him getting the surgery because you had brought up when we had talked about this we talked about quite quite a bit in these. And you WANNA I. I know that brought it up now. Rick Stroud claims that he has asked about it every year. I don't ever recall him asking about it and I'm not saying he's not telling the truth I just don't recall. You're the first person I knew that brought up that he might be nearsighted. Because that's what you were and you talked on the PODCASTS I can't remember which podcast was. But how nearsightedness doesn't just make it difficult to see things at a distance let's it also blurs colors. I didn't know that. And that's a really big thing I wanted to and I was doing the interception video to look looking pay attention if the colors were starkly contrast with the guys he threw interceptions with. Because you know like the Atlanta Falcons are very very similar to art color. Yeah and you know that lasts subsidy. That was that was just bad decision and you know he might know the colors might have blurred and might it. Looks like one person standing there instead of two. So Am I. I think it'll make a huge difference with Jameis Winston and since I've got the pro or the con the argument with the Jameis Winston thing man I wish I had to convert because this is a really good one to go. Hey maybe this whole you know cut down on some James Winstons bad decision meg. Because I'm add that to my list. Yeah you used to wear glasses and contacts got lazic boom. You haven't I mean you've got to not perfect vision but it's twenty two thousand one hundred twenty visit. Perfect that's perfect. I think that's I do get like Halos light occasionally. We'll just. He's having play in a Dome Stadium Right for me. I think if more related to dry I always had with contacts anyway but I never her eased eyedrops and I still don't. I probably should for like at night if mountain. TV is sometimes. I get some Halos women. Ask you this if you when you have add before you had Lazic. Do you think you could have thrown a ball at a target Fifty feet away. Now he will. You would not uh now Probably not even five feet away. Well I have no hand eye coordination anyway. Are you saying with glasses says or contacts or without without without now unequivocally no absolutely not do you think you could now. I'm not saying throw it but be able to see. Yeah yes so you think it's going to make a big difference with James Winston. Yeah I think don't make a difference absolutely. I wonder what's your clarity. And I mean. Even if his vision was got his baton as mine mine was like twenty four hundred. My contact prescription negative five point two five people who wear contacts will understand your the but I also had an astigmatism. So that makes it difficult to like. Your is more oblong so and it was just in the one I almost yeah cyclops so yeah and getting lay sick and just being able to see edge just a a heavy more clarity Being able to distinguish extinguished between things so on twitter brought up depth perception. My depth perception wasn't great beforehand and my surgeon said it wasn't going to improve improve with Lisek but they could. I don't know it could Virginia's that's just what my doctor said well. I don't feel Jameson has a problem with depth perception. Yeah it doesn't seem to be the issue. What is see what I feel like? He has an issue with is just seeing matters like interpreting. What's going on around him? I I mean who follow the ball when there's a defender right next to his receiver you know and it's almost like he doesn't even see the defender you know so it might be like you alluded to that it's it's just a blur. At that distance the colors blur together. You can't really see edges and outlines in shape. So yeah if I could see the color at the blob while could you imagine if he gets good eyesight and goes out there in those fifty one hundred yard season which might might even improve on that and has like five interception. Could you imagine how awesome that would be thirty five touchdowns five interceptions. I'd be happy with fifteen enters. Dance like his nor lassie is definitely an anomaly. Thirty yeah we hope not an upward trend. Now I don't think there's any way I don't think it's hanging around but you gotta give props to James Winston for going through that. Because I mean here her he is he has no contract. He's not even officially with a team. I mean he's still with the buccaneers by contract but I mean until he signs another when he's not really with a T.. Right now and he could have messed up his. I always rest. Yeah there's always that risk but he took their risk. I think when I got down they they told me I was like three percent. Could you imagine a people. In God's eyes messed up in Nepal's into his football career booth no guaranteed money and no contract acne and he's done a day out. Well you know. He took a risk. It sounds to me like he's a he's wanting to play gives good as it can get. There was also rumors. Resolved had surgery on his knee. meniscus repair and full right I mean. He had surgery on the thumb. He just getting Hawk Hawk having surgery he he must be he must have insurance with the buccaneers through like the NF everywhere. He's trying to get it all done now you. They don't WanNa touch that twenty-one million they get your user journey yeah so yeah maybe I'll maybe he's getting violent parts to that'd be cool. Maybe they put a camera in his eye or something you know where he could like zoom in on stuff the biotic man May. We'll make him stronger. Verster as before my time. And Ralph made me watch in a few weeks not just made you watched some of it. Just how does that sound effect everything he did it without bobble all Ruby River. Lift up the take the garbage out. He put out a trash game. But we'll blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Ralph your age showing whatever they'll be an aide just so yeah that's exciting a lot of exciting us too big exciting things that just boom landed like a bomb today and we kind a new about the lasix stop. But we didn't know and we kind of knew about the uniform stop but we didn't no no no no they're now known there's no unknowns is that we don't know now it is strange though that the NFL is allowing. That'll be four teams. That are changing their uniforms this year. It'll be the most by far they've ever had there. Might doing that to make up for the fact that they're making Jacksonville playing basically all their home games in London measure. Yeah they're doing what it's not that bad but they're playing two consecutive games in London. Twenty twenty one. That's not that bad. They get time to acclimate and plus they're going to lose any the UN's cell but they're both home games. So Jacksonville phase really getting screwed but again they don't really have that home field advantage either. Where's the lie why they are? Given the Jacksonville Jaguars fans a fifty percent discount. On preseason games in favourable variable pricing on the six six regular season games rat will result in an overall average ticket. Price reduction of five percent was five percent five dollars so you could buy Jackson Deborah ticket for four dollars now. It's not even the math away off. The joke is totally. Flopped is twenty nine cents. You're sitting there doing the you don't even have a calculator there. Yeah so you know maybe the maybe the NFL's buttering up the fan bases for stuff like that. Yeah we'll let fourteenth guide changes year. So maybe they can get seventeen game season next year and every team will have to play two home games in London and Mexico witnessed a weird. NFL Man. Philip rivers gone from charges. He's gone are they going to draft somebody letty or are they doing free agency. I would imagine it would draft. Don't know I don't really follow the charge. I don't really care. It is just such a weird time. It's IT'S A it's a really really I think it's GonNa be the weirdest offseason. NFL that I can remember off the one thousand nine hundred lockout really weird to bud and you know. It's going to be so much to keep track of Tom. Brady drew brees guy. That shot up about Tom. Britt like every time I go on on twitter and got another article about Tom Brady ruler. Yeah they want him. I don't know the one I read today. They were talking about Chris. Sam Said and Brady wouldn't be a fit in Tampa Melwood at all. Yeah we'd be a clash that can start just to staal plays an. I sang with Phil Rivers. I don't feel rivers could fit in the system. But you know he's just an older version James Winston year a lot of people. I'm saying we need to get Philip rivers in like Philip rivers as person. I like him as a player but yeah he would be an upgrade. I don't think a lot of changes coming to film. Lot of changes does might be the last year of Sixteen Games. So he's still haven't heard anything about the CBA. What's what's happening there? They had that beaten eaten. I think it was Sunday. And the haven't heard a word about it but we still got a whole year to pound it out. I think they'll get it done. Probably before the season starts so we'll know probably the beginning of the season whether we'll have seventeen games next year Greg Olsen live at visited the seahawks. He's found that interesting. Why would anyone sign him a sell all the injury Brown is he is so injury prune and we got it he's he's kind of Gronkowski was stores in his career? You know you're lucky if you got six games item rank Ainsley year when you did. They were good games usually but yeah I mean he's got talent Eh. He's just he's weird did and he's always hurt so you're going to have him on the bench talking the other players the game like he did with his son or son when they were playing football. What was the son like five or six? He's yelling his catch them all she kildare lay down a little bit on the Jameis Winston thing. Now if you haven't been following Shaquille Barrett has said he would take a lower price contract back to stay with Tampa Bay. He really really wants to stay with Tampa Bay. I looked into this as far as I could. The Guy can't stand moving. He hates to move. How I'm with Ham I am I am too? I think most people are and but you know you're going to get paid. He can like pay somebody to do all the move in for you. We'll figure that he just doesn't like it's going to a new area. He did this in college in College. he was playing with a small Nebraska Omaha College and when they got rid of their football football program shack chose to stay in the region and transferred to Colorado State even though he was given a full. Scholarship offered the North Dakota so he stayed at Colorado State and then Dan went and played for the broncos right exactly and he he's he doesn't undrafted rookie and he took a ten thousand dollars. The sign with the broncos just so that he wouldn't have to move and in that is when he discovered his disdain for income taxes. He said this is according to Joe. Fan You said his ten thousand dollar check he got from. The broncos actually was sixty five hundred after the government took its cut uh-huh and So you combine the two. You know because Florida doesn't have income tax so he could keep so paycheck and he does like move. He's won't don't give them a discount and it got really really stay with the buccaneers and because they give him a chance that gave him the starting job you know. Now he's a superstar. Thanks to Bruce. Arians Todd Bowles and the guy is just a happy to I love watching interviews with and he's just bursting with energy and positively just really happy to be alive privacy. Olive has miked up episodes of really good leads to fun and entertaining. And I'm not gonNA bring this up until the James Amos Winston. Nah I got I gotta say it now There was a during the super bowl remembered before before the game that was thirty. Two kids that ran out on the field little little kids One of them was representing the buccaneers. He was from Saint Petersburg Edberg thank. I'm not sure don't quote me on in a asking you get whatever Jersey want you to wear it out there. Who's your favorite pair player? Guess we said shack marriage check baron. So he was shocked. Barrett's uniform represent the buccaneers at the Super Bowl. That's called check Barrett Like making the pro bowl and all this stuff and you gave him the Jersey so it was pretty cool so check Gareth getting fans you know people like Chuck Berry just one. Because he's just awesome. It is play and too because because he's got a great personality maybe seems like really dude. So he's a he's a net plus for the buccaneers not just for his on field performance but his attraction bringing people to the fan base. I was always growing growing up in the football since I was four years old. Play football all throughout my adult life. What is before you become an adolescent Cammisa longer forgot and You know just football has always been a part of my life always and I'd liked players when I was growing up. You know players as you as mean Joe Greene and Roger Stall back and Lynn Swann. And I always followed players and that's how it became a buccaneers fan. I've said this before you know it was a big Fan Hardy Nickerson Pittsburgh then he went to the buccaneers following. A buccaneers anyone. They changed their uniforms arms. And they had worn sap John Lynch and Work done and these guys they I mean it was just fell over the whole team. You know just there was just such a great a group of guys and that's what we're getting now. The buccaneers and being you talked about that ever since you been fan is that we have so much turn so much turnover with our teams every year or every few years from head coaches general managers uniform to players. We always have to sit here and memorize numbers that a player is every year we go. Who is this guy? It just seems like every year every two years the roster's completely different fans can't get attached to the new fans hands anyhow. You know if you're already a fan you could follow the stuff but you know somebody who's getting into football they're gonNA be able to follow the team if they're if they're into a player around that plate like your shack bear where to go to Baltimore off his fans. All of his new fans are going to go into Baltimore. So you you gotTa build a bunch of personalities characters players on your team gene to draw in as those new fans and it looks like. That's what we're doing so yeah. I like that Shack Birdman. I think he's GonNa be my next Jersey. I think I'm good between him and beat obey. I I really want beat a veil and I want a Jersey to just because Gosh I want I want everybody's Jersey on I really do Chris Godwin Mike. Gavin's I've got to my cabin gyms Winston more pet. You know what I want to Donovan Smith Jersey. Now he points so good last year just totally blew me out of the water because odd ragged on him ever since he's gotten ear he's just played well the low phen-. Yeah the loafing and man. He just deep buses but this year loved it loved especially I part German. He was beaten better the more Dotson. Just everybody's especially on defense. I really like our defense. Not a defensive offensive guy. Contrary to some popular opinions out there defenses my forte. So what did she say about Janus. Oh yeah forgot about point. Uh they asked him what what they think is going to happen or what he thinks is going to happen with Jameis Winston and. He said that he wanted Jameis Winston steak but what made you can't have all these terms. Yeah he said you know everybody sees it. Everybody knows it. You just can't do that and he was like I hope. They hope he corrected it so he you can come back next year so nobody in the buccaneers. Nobody knows what's going on. I don't even think front office knows year long. Godwin came out and said that what they like. Jameson everybody's hide him. They want it back By it was kind of the gist of the turnovers. And he said I'm glad I'm not making the decision vision and then Labontes said there's a lot of really good stuff and then there's some stuff I it was what Bruce Arians sat seven horrible. Scratch your head well you know. Now he's got that lazing. It's kind of you're kind of like I want to try them out again for another year. Yeah and how do you even. He finishes his backers contract with thirty interceptions ends. Like how do you even prove awhile. I'm not going to do that anymore. What are you even do to give the team a reassurance that you're not going to do that you had your chance? Yeah I mean maybe I mean you had your chance last season. They knew that you were in the contract year. It was last year contract. He needed to play well. And you gave us a thirty interceptions. Even that was a show me year and he showed me. Yeah so yeah right how do you want to be in the decision-making make a cherry either. That'd be Debbie Toffler. Man Be tough one. I think I know which way I would go. But I'm not GonNa say it because we got this podcast coming up about the pros and cons a James Winston I am on the con side. Molly is going to be on the pro side. So I'll tell you in which way I would go. I want everybody to vote on how we do. And it's GonNa be twitter Paul so I'm going to control it and then all options are just going to say molly. She will cheat when I had a follow up got got all about him. Okay Man Okay yes. We talked about the deepest rookie of the year award in who votes on those. Who is it the decides and I had said it's probably a bunch of media guys? Well well I was right on the pro. Football Writers Association also known as the Associated Press Defensive Player of the Year award so all these awards the players get the by the media guys. That just doesn't seem right to me. What makes them qualified to decide that momentum? I mean other than they report on spor it seems like it's a little The to use the quid pro quo phrase 'cause got upset cigarette about that You know these. Those Writers Look Gentleman Koi. For instance like gushed around. They were heartbroken when he left. The buccaneers I've never seen them that upset about any player. Rian got uncut. Let alone a defensive Tau and I mean these guys were literally. They wanted to burn stadium down alone and is because they really liked the guy because he dave them access you know they can call him anytime of day. Whatever get quotes from him? After every game McCoy sat down counseled with the media. And had you know they loved love. He's giving gifts away. And all this stuff media loved Hill Michael say. It's one of the reasons why he got an pro bowls and all that good stuff but it has to influence these guys votes all pro media all pro is made up of. I think it's Associated Press guys too. But what if the media has to deal with these players all the time you know. They're going to have favorites. They're going to be biased. You know the players who don't talk to them or jerks to like Assu you know. So I mean sues not a jerk to the media. He's just you know we just doesn't Gush over. Give Him all kinds of access and everything you answer questions. I think he answers our question. Very well you know. He's very football and he's business is business but he you know he's not hanging out with him and giving him extra time and all that good stuff so they're not they do stuff are they. Are they like right band stories about Su but su had McCoy's personality. They've right good stories about it so when they're doing these defensive player over the years and all that good stuff you know. They've got to be biased to the stuff he no. It's a popularity contest again though any. That's a follow up. No fact checks because we were totally perfect. The buccaneers established a scholarship for female football players. This is according to a pro. ABC Sports go ahead read article. Because it's real quick. It says at a time when you use football participation is declining for boys. It's increasing for girls. Earning a college scholarship playing football however has not been an option for female players players but the Tampa Bay buccaneers will be awarding scholarships to four female football players. The Bucks announced at four female high school seniors participating in football which includes touched flag. Flag or tackle will receive. Five thousand dollars scholarships and that seemed like a lot of. What's it like one class in college? The buccaneers have encouraged girls to play football and girls. Flag like football league and Tampa that the team sponsors is expected to have more than two hundred girls participated in the season later this month. Statewide Girls High School flag football tournament. Tampa is expected to draw more than twelve hundred players. The buccaneers of the team with two female coaches on their staff assistant defensive line coach. Laurie locus and assistant. Strength and conditioning coach. Moraleja Noah took the bug nears. I didn't realize that was. There isn't much of a demand. Yeah that's Darcy. It probably takes. Oh yeah she does a lot of the charity thirty stuff and the women and read. That was her thing ruin. Yeah speaking of Journal McCoy you know he only signed. They won't your contract with the panthers. It's only been zero days since we journal going after. Well the Baltimore media is ramping up. They immediately the the season started talking about signing Jerem. Goi because you know they were one of the ones in the running. Supposedly Durham McCoy instead opted to go with a contender the Carolina Panthers Panthers Crappy Baltimore Ravens Team to then go in and Yeah so they're They're lobbying to get your McCoy to go due to the Baltimore Ravens again. So we'll see how that turns out. Yeah I'm curious to see where he goes. He didn't have let Graham season. I don't know talk somewhere. It'd be again a job. Be chump change Bro. Speaking of the kittens Cam Newton said during Super Bowl Week that he would absolutely be back with the panthers however Boehner had a different opinion. David Tapper was quartered and caught on camera in asked about this and he said is he healthy. Tell me that and then we can talk. Yeah it was the most you got to see the video too. Because he was like it was like yeah not on my watch. Basically it was. It was probably the most emphatic. No I've ever heard. That wasn't an outright. ALL RIGHT NO I. I think tempers gearing the Fan Base Carolina up for game. Newton will be there this year next year. Jay Jay kind of just kind of chuckled about it too like who can in that car part job came chef. Okay according to Greg on him this was interesting because you know we had talked about at the end of the season. How none of our coaches are leaving? None of them had even been talked about going anywhere. You're welcome to find out. Antwan randle El claimed he interviewed for the eagles receivers gone Aaron Moorehead instead. Though why you WANNA leave I don't I wanna I don't think he wanted to leave but he just yeah. I guess I mean 'cause that's not really a step up like a lateral move. Maybe that area better. Maybe I don't know I mean. He played waiver Pittsburgh. So maybe he likes Pennsylvania Pennsylvania listeners so so yeah that's a that's a big victory for the buccaneers. And guess what it's just going to start ramping up ramping up in rams at time of year you're going to be hearing a lot of draft talk. You know that's all pure nonsense right now who me and molly. It never been into it anyhow to begin with but right now total nonsense because we don't even know what we're doing with our around quarterback if we get James that changed our whole draft scenario so you kind of ignore all draft talk right now. I know it's fun for the guys to Dabble in it speculate but just take it with a grain of salt. You know until our free agency stuff. DETAINED OUT WE AIN'T GONNA know nothing about drafts situation. There's also rumors that. Were trying to move up in first place. What I've heard that thrown around started on twitter and I think that was one of the guys that broke the lace stuff? Can't remember. Don't quote me on that but it was relatively unknown personal twitter saying that they had and this is sort of saying that. The buccaneers ears were getting together. A draft package too often. Cincinnati bengals for the first position. I pick in the draft and I was like well that sounds like complete utter under bullcrap at then it came out in some national stuff that the Cincinnati Bangles are shopping the first round draft pick and they mentioned teams that were interested in the buccaneers. One of them so don't know what that's all about. We'll see that would be fun. How Fun would that be now? The first round draft pick I first pitch always funster especially if you can get without being the worst team in the NFL. Now been down that road before. Look at it here. It is six years later. We're still trying to around food. made the right decision there. Well we know. We made the right decision between him and Mary Up. No doubt about that but the only reason we would move out that far Dr for quarterback you think you would think so. Maybe there's quarterbacks they really really really like Dona that would change everything you know and be. Yea He does my rookie quarterback Andrew Pain Manny. He was involved in all of their rain. Drafting right yeah yeah. He likes those a rookie. quarterback's so that's that's you know what's going to be filling up space that in the uniform staff new the New York here. Lots of rumors about signings. And all that but we will know anything until franchise date. I can't remember when they are there early. March I don't have my phone with me. February twenty firth twenty four twenty two twenty four colon February. Twenty fifth is the first day for clubs was to designate franchise or transition players. which this year? We designate. Both for Tom. It's been able to do that since new seeing so we could do that. I'll have a problem with Dan in less than two weeks. Yup We could. We could but I I think we're GONNA end up signing shark to long-term country But March tenth is as the deadline for clubs to death nate franchise or transition players. You've got that a two week period there from February twenty fifth of March tenth and is going to be the next time and that we have some definitive news. About buccaneers stuff. Everything from ear to then is going to be speculation and rumors. That's not too bad. And we're going to be right right on the forefront of all that stuff we have so many we love rumors and speculations round. Here he left going on. He looked tired. Hartley tired you did your yoga ready for an APP. The Yoga wiped you out all right. Well that's going to wrap it up for us. We'll have another podcast out. Probably probably next week. Read the meantime. We're GONNA stick to one podcast a week. We think until probably March I like that plan just to give us a break unless some big news breaks and then you know. We can't stop running her mouth about stuff so we'll jump on here gab about hopefully we'll have some good stuff. I'm excited football now. You know I'm just like what's new you've got to look like. What are we GONNA do Jamestown? Is he going to be better with the legacy. Not We don't know that that just throws a whole range of the system was going to happen with Philip rivers. He's Luneta Florida now and he's not with charges and everybody wants him on our team so much a them all up in the news now back what the Jameh stuff. I'm not really that worked out. I feel so confident. He's coming back. Louis Riel idea I wish I would. I would probably put money on it. You Bet you bet. Let's do it right here on air. We don't normally bet for money. This is not appropriate for their family. Friendly bets let's do dinner dinner choice choice you know. I'll take Georgia to go ahead and take A cab Georgia's at say Taco Belle. vue waiter gets okay. So we'll say that right now alive. You're saying they're gonNA resign. Were James Winston Danes coming back no concept certain L.. took the position that he's not. It's not what I believe but I'm not certain so I'll go with the uncertainty aspect of it. All right you'll shake on it now. Danz me like spin our hands shake this back in high school the ages I ask GonNa wrap up for us get out Real Madrid today. Tried again that's going to happen. Offer still next backs.

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The Bowles Plan for Mahomes, Stafford to the Rams, Watson's Market | NFL Deep Dive

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The Bowles Plan for Mahomes, Stafford to the Rams, Watson's Market | NFL Deep Dive

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I am joined by connor or of the weakside hot gas a little curb all for everyone because he's been doing it for the best months. Connor is counters back for some We're gonna do some super bowl fund can do some Matthew stafford trade and the impact on shawn watson. This is gonna be a a show just chock full of stuff just when you thought you were going to continue to get sound analysis from jenny. In a in. A well reported curveball. Screw you guys connor. And he's just going to say whatever comes to the top of its just just scorching. Hot takes get ready. That's four hour show. Actually we don't know how long it could be a four hour show. We'll see how it goes. We're all we're going to start this one. Though with the super bowl they're gonna play it on sunday and we are going to cover it all week at the qb. But i mean look the story line for good. Reason is a lot of homes for brady stuff. I'm sure you'll see plenty of that. And we can. We can touch on tom. Brady and just a little bit but There is an air around patrick mahomes of invincibility and rightfully so he has earned that and it is a. It's just the way it seems it's going to be for the next twelve years or allies or so but if you look at what the bucks have done in the postseason. I don't wanna take time away from their offense. But i also wanna take time away from their offense. Because it's been it's been todd bowles doing a lot of the heavy lifting and that unit. Yeah he's been incredible. And i think that the mark of a good coach is how how. How many variables you can throw in to your defense especially down the stretch like. We saw really good defensive. Coordinators don martindale. Sean mcdermott and bowls would be the third. That's in the playoffs. That i would count is so sort of the elite defensive coordinators that were left or you know were in there at the beginning of the playoffs and the way that they changed what they were doing like. I think it was the bills went from you. Know largely a man team to almost totally zone team against baltimore and that resulted in that great. Pick six lamar jackson. Tampa's doing that too but with the tana variation on the coverage front and. I think it's really interesting to see. How much movement they can get. I mean you know. They're throwing a lot of man. There's cover one cover too. And it's almost evenly divided to the point where i'm not saying that kendrick mahomes has a weakness but if you talk to people after the rookie year after the second year it was always like okay. Well this is the one thing that he's got an iron out still identifying defenses working his way around this stuff and getting better. I think that maybe it's not like it's the blueprint. But it's like okay. Maybe changing coverages and diversifying. Your look so much to the point where. It's almost painful and irresponsible for defense to do it is the one thing that people haven't tried to To do to beat them. And i think tampa bay's got that institutional ability to do that. Yeah they have a. They have those big corners so presumably. You can win early in the doubt. It's only say that we we know how good tyreek is on releases and we saw at travis. Kelsey does two teams where they don't make it difficult for him to get off. The line of scrimmage but I guess that's kind of thing with mahomes and he doesn't again. This isn't really a weakness but mahomes is better when he gets late into the down. I mean that's the he's spectacular in all phases but if he gets waiting to the down. You're in trouble so Not only can you sort of you know. Make life difficult for him early in the down with those sort of you know Versatile lied range of coverages. But you're gonna have to backup tackles in the game for the chiefs. You have a couple of edge rusher who dominate and shaq barrett and jason pierre. Paul we saw that in the in the nfc title game. maybe mick. Maybe you have the solution here for patrick mahomes and pass russia's such a you know i mean we overrated. I think during the regular season and underrated during the postseason and it almost seems to be the guys like jason pierre paul shack barrack guys who have been around for a while and just can can pick off. That matchup like i remember. Even going back to the falcons patriots superbowl. Dwight frene was there and thinking about writing about dwight free that day because he was just abusing. Think at the time the patriots maybe had a backup in there somewhere in just picking that matchup and exploiting it over and over and over again and it can ruin a super bowl for you. And i think that that's really the thing that you know as much as we've talked about. Kansas city's backup offensive. I mean going into it. I think that we're we're still not. We're still underplaying right. I think we're going to get into the first quarter. And say holy crap like jason pierre paul barrett or in the backfield on every single snap. But it's making really difficult from a homes who You know like a more far more mobile in arm. Talented ben rothlisberger. You know like you said makes better things happen the longer he can stay back there. And i think that they're gonna eliminate a lot of this is going to be a lot of quick throws despite his lowest snap to throw time all season. I would imagine so. I don't root for anyone in the super bowl. I just for excitement and some the entertain me for the four hours at this game. We'll go on but I'm kind of pulling for mike remers. Because last time you saw mike remers in super bowl super fifty and he was just a i mean he was. He was the washington generals to von miller. Harlem globetrotters it was. just complete. dominance remers gets the start at left tackle in this game. He had been playing some right tackling in stead of mitchell. Schwartz in with eric fisher out. He gets a shot at left. Tackle here again you. You don't have to do pattern homes in the sitting duck you don't necessarily have to win dominate on every snappy for mike remers you just need to just need to be just good enough here and i you know i think maybe he can be just good enough but it is the one thing right if you talk to any offense coordinator any offensive line coach. Any tight end coach. It's the one thing that you can't make up for by borrowing from something else right if you're tackle sucks and his getting clubbed. There's nothing else you can do. You are on an island for that entire the entirety that game. I mean you can. You can bring help and protection and all that kind of stuff. But you know you're you're obviously you're not going to be able to run the game plan that you wanted to run and so you know there's so much pressure on on on remers and it's incredible. I don't root for anybody either in the super bowl. But i will say the one time that i wrote rooted for an occurrence. It did happen when two thousand thirteen the seahawks and the broncos i was covering the super bowl for a paper in new jersey called the star ledger and i was writing the page. Once like the super bowl game story that was going to appear on the front page of the paper to beat a deadline like at the end of the third quarter or the start of the fourth quarter for the first edition. The story had to be in. And so all. I kept thinking in my head was please let the seahawks win and a blouse because the broncos had a ton of players from new jersey and that would have complicated the game story and In a close game would have complicated the game story and lo and behold like a quarter in. I was like i got this. I could start writing. This is fantastic. So command loses super bowl. A the headline. i believe it's as far as the other side. The ball goes here. I look. i'm not crazy about this bucks offense. I don't think they have provided a a whole lot of answers for for poor. Tom brady who just can't catch a break. At this point in life but the play that i felt was most indicative of a sort of bucks i dunno offensive problems of the way. The sounds the way they find solutions. Here is your in the nfc title game that long. Pass to Chris godwin up the scene where it was just kind of like okay. They they don't have routes that we're going to beat the coverage. I ended up running against the free safety in the middle of the field and brady just said well i guess i'll chug it up and see what happens and godwin pulls in a fifty yard catch and that's that's kind of. That's how it works. It's just every once in a while. They have too much talent for the other team to handle when we saw the team before it was sort of relentless blitzing here by the chiefs. I think there is a number one. I think that's gonna happen again number two. I think there is something to be said for the people who kind of say tom brady. Doesn't get hit but tom brady. Sort of gets affected by getting hit a lot. But i also think there's something to be said for war when it's the last game season and that sort of that becomes less of a factor. I think the the cumulative hits. I think if you i manning taught us anything. A quarterback is going to maybe work later into the down then then he would usually during the regular season if was getting hit like that. Yeah but yeah no. I agree i mean. I think that there's just because of tom brady. Think we lose sight. Generally of the skill level of the offense. And i think that i mean the buccaneers. Were not a better offensive team than the titans this year. They were not a better offensive team than the packers or the bills I guess they're they're kind of like the browns with a slightly better passing game slightly more efficient passing game. And that's that's kind of how they were doing it this year with like you said individual matchups but i. I don't think there's a couple of things. I don't think that the chiefs are going to make the kind of horrendous mistakes defensively that green bay did that allowed them to do what they did. I think tyrann matthew is a guy who's going to completely change kind of the specter of this and he can do a lot. And i think steve spagnolo will him in a weird spot that will at least try to throw tampa bay off their game here and i don't know i just think like you said i'm not blown away by this offense. Maybe they're playing this. They'll play this on a loop all week right that you know. Just the two of us saying that. We don't think they're very good. But yeah i don't know i everything about the game coming to this point except for the chiefs offensive tackles. Leads me to believe that the chiefs are going to win. Like i'm having a. I'm not having the easiest time digesting like a tampa bay scoring thirty three or thirty four points in this game. It's a jenny. And i discussed the last week. It feels like the bucks win it. It's going to be stylistically similar to like the giants victories over the patriots. Where nasrat takes over you end up getting. And i think it will to an extent but kinda like you said i still even if the chiefs tack Struggle even if the bucks get consistent pressure with the edge guys I still think mahomes comes up with more answers than tom brady. Does in a game where. We're not a quarterback really You know or. I should say in the scenario where neither quarterback has a lot of answers. As far as a supporting cast scheme goes the. I don't know i. I guess i the only thing is it's like there's just nowhere to go for brady. I if the packers going to get their That's it if the chiefs bachelor's win so do you end up seeing a bucks game plan where they try and run the ball forty times and just try to hang in and it ends up feeling like I think the most disappointing game for me. The season was a When the bills went up against the chiefs ended up having the ball for like twenty minutes. Is it going to be that kinda game. Where basically it's it's clock keeps running. Neither team puts up a lot of points and in the end. It's like i don't know. Twenty seven to seventeen and the chiefs of one. Well i think like we Like the entire football world at large knows in their hearts. This is going to be a leonard. Fournette le'veon bell football game. You know like that's that's what it's all about. You know Is is boring. Plotting running backs Averaging three to half a four yards. Carry but i. I totally agree. I i think this could be the giants super bowl all over again. It could come down to one or two definitive throws from patrick mahomes and the other thing here too is to consider how bad the buccaneers have looked on at their worst during the season versus. How bad the chiefs have looked at their worst this season and it's not even close right at their worst. The buccaneers looks like one of the worst teams in the league. Like there were games like especially against the two games against the saints where they looked so out of sorts and you know they were so knocked off their game plan. That was almost like they couldn't come back whereas the chiefs have been sort of like sleepwalking. Through half of these games that were moderately competitive and know to the point where i think tony romo pointed out running the same downplay time. Like there's like they're just and they just daring you to stop it. Nobody has an answer. And so. I don't think you need to see the full the full hundred percent sprint from them yet. And and that's that's sort of something else that we haven't talked a lot about is like neither gandhi read. Eric be enemy are just you know going through the season same now. We don't have to come up with something new. I mean you know th there's there's going to be a ton of shit that we haven't seen from them all year that's just going to be plastered all of the super bowl. I mean in the forty niners super bowl. They're running like utah. Urban meyer sprint option. During that game like it was nuts. And i think that were obviously in line for something like that too. It's it's i mean the last couple of years we've seen something of advantage for the defense would have come to the two weeks of preparation but I i don't know the titles might come up with some really good in this one and And we'll all be surprised but Yeah what's what's your should we do. Should you gain picks. Are you ready to unveil a game. I guess we have to on the qb site during the week sure. Yeah i've been letting my this'll be good because all do it here. And then i've been letting my daughter pick the games sense wall since the entire playoffs. Yeah she wanted the packers to when she likes the color green so it was a tough week last week but Yeah no i. I don't know there's to me. This is what i want to happen. And then there's a part of me that like would a fear will happen deep down into my heart. So that's what i'm gonna go with. Even though i just spent the last ten minutes. Trashing the bucks i'm gonna take. I'm going to take the bucks. Twenty oh twenty. Eight to twenty seven Because it comes down to on digestible narratives for me. You know like a lot of times. I'll go to a game a big game and just got it would really suck if this happened and we just have to like root for good stories right you root for interesting stories and the least interesting story to me is the continuation of one man's greatness but that might be exactly what we're gonna get. You know i'm. I'm just gonna go twenty seven simply stones to vote for an off backup offensive tackle for the three tackle eligible touchdowns for my i tell this all the time and people. Just get mad at me when i tell it. The only suitable i covered live is super bowl. Forty and i voted for chris sake as mvp and as you all remember that was that was not beautiful football game. I mean hines ward won. Mvp and i do. Love hines ward. But i mean he had a couple of drops in that game. It was just kind of bad football. On both sides. Legitimately antwan randle was the mvp game but I cast my vote for sake my only. Mvp vote was the during the seahawks broncos super bowl was an outside linebacker for the seahawks that had like a fumble recovery and an interception in the melanoma smith. Malcolm smith. Yeah and i think he won. Mvp didn't he. He did he will be. Yeah you're on the winning side. Yeah but then. As soon as i turn the card in like sitting next to like you know three people who at the time moore enjoying when pro football focus was totally free back in the golden goal. Obviously it was richard sherman because he created the cover. It and i was shut up. You know. there's nothing you can do about that. You know it. Sorry richard but yeah. You probably deserved it. But i just you know it's also when when did you have to turn your ballot in. It was like the third quarter. It was like a middle of the third quarter. And i was like i don't know i mean that game. We knew that the super bowl is over. I mean that's super bowl was over like midway through the second quarter. But i think i remember sitting near people who had votes in the chiefs in the super bowl last year. It was like who would you vote for. I think there was wasn't there. Time could have been like deebo samuel at some point like i. Maybe maybe miss you know. It's always so weird. I i remember i. I'd interview dion branch. Who was a super bowl. Thirty nine when the patriots beat the eagles and he was on the. He's on the sideline and you know like the whatever the the the pickup handlers or whatever it is like approaching him and being like hey guys win your mvp. And he's like but the game like halfway through the fourth quarter. What have we don't win. And they're like i don't worry about it. He's like what are they go to. Overtime is like yeah. Don't sweat it. it's it's going to be you can do about it. Yeah yup amazing. All right connor hang on one second because it is time for the sl fantasy segment presented as always by. Dr king's i am joined by michael fabiano. I am every monday. Off as how dot com slash fantasy. Yes i've fancy podcast and in fact we have. We have quarterback movements talk about young man like the offseason projected to be huge and the offseason couldn't even wait for the offseason right. We're still a week away here a little bit less than a week away from the super bowl and we had that huge trade matthew stafford going to the la rams. And i had. I had written an article about the teams that i'd like to see stafford and up on from a fantasy perspective. The rams were not on that list. Because i didn't think they were gonna get anybody to take that contract a journey off And of course that's why they had the ultimately overpay and give to future. I two third and gough to get stafford. I wonder what houston will want for shawn watson at this point if they do decide to ultimately trade him but staffer going to the ranch is a good thing from a fantasy perspective. He is certainly an upgrade over. Jared goff who. I've just not been a fan of his fantasy points. Have dropped through tracy. He's just not a good quarterback. He's okay just not quarterback yet that would really good season and the rams well that was not the best move to give him that extension and they paid for both literally and but you got stafford. Who's going to be thirty three. When the season starts. I think actually turns thirty three on sunday. Think his birthdays federal. But it's true but he He's he's had a lot of success in the national football league's pertains fantasy football. He had a nice stretch where he was a top ten quarterback every single season since two thousand and eleven. He's finishes his top ten players six times and it might have been seven if for not the back injury in two thousand nineteen when he was averaging twenty points per game in the first eight games he he was very good. Now is he. Is an elite quarterback. I mean no. Is this going to vault into the same stratosphere schuyler and mahomes no of course not but i think his is value is certainly better than it would have been in detroit if you'd stay with the lions for another year there. There's now the potential for him to be a top twelve quarterback at the end of twenty twenty one. I can absolutely see that happening. So staffers value goes up. I don't i mean it's good for robert woodson cooper kupp but i mean what's what's the wide receiver twelve last year like. How much higher is he gonna go like maybe cups these an increase. Because he wasn't as good but he you know he was banged up to he had he was. He had a up and down season. So maybe maybe this koppel rice back into maybe not wide receiver one territory but more to wide receiver to could be for good for tyler. Hegi leverage a free agent but hagi still not going to be drafted as more than a into and running back with cam akers. We already loved him. And now you give them a quarterback who will take a little bit of the defensive pressure off of them. You're not going to see many stat lines with stafford under center and the threat of that passing game and maybe acres see some more opportunities as a pass catcher and what should be a far more high scoring offense than it. Was this past season this past season. The rams barely averaged over two touchdowns per game on the offensive side of the football. Which which was the worst under mcvay. No i mean only twenty receiving touchdowns. It's funny you mentioned robert woods. I was like wow. He was that high season. He'll he only had six touchdowns. Though i mean you could you could be. Abc that jump up to ten get they have a lot of in that offense like they do in detroit you know for years. All you have is common johnson And kenny golladay. In jones was very good in second lassie. Overall he was he was up and down but second of last season he was really really good. So stafford has has been there and helped produce some really good wide receivers for my fantasy perspective and i could see woods finishing top fifteen. I could see cup. Finishing top twenty five maybe better maybe top twenty acres is going to be a second or third round pick across the board and stafford is a to me that what will people will you know because people are going to ultimately poop on trade. He hasn't done well in the playoffs. He played for the lines folks. He played the lines. And this is an upgrade over. Jared goff and i would suggest that something happened between the mcveigh golf. I don't know what it was. But they were all in together looking like bosom buddies going into the season and mcveigh could wait to get rid of him by the end of the twenty twenty campaign after they got knocked out by the packers. The only thing. You heard quarterback competition. John wolford who played. What in the alliance league. Whatever like that guy was competition really. I mean come on. Stafford has to beat out wolford. Now i guess is the first. And then we'll see and then for detroit. That offense is like loaded with question. Marks can can anthony lynn fixed. Jared goff oh but that. Here's here's what you're looking at kenny. Golladay as a free agent. Marvin jones is a free agent. I talked to dave burke from the detroit. Free press on my show last week and he said he doesn't think marvin jones is going to be back. Amendola dole is a free agent. I think mohamed sanu although he's not really relevant at a fantasy anymore also free agent. So i don't know who gops are on the football to you know. God could be resigned attacked. We're gonna find out. Hopkinson is going to be concerned. I don't think there's any question about that. He'll still be one of the better. Titans a fantasy football and the andre swift should see a bigger role in the offense remember. Of course anthony land do staley's they're now they're going to run the football if anything. This could help swift in terms of his pass catching numbers i guess is that the lions who are ultimately forever rebuilding our rebuilding again. And they're going to be behind a lot of games and golf and there. There's maybe games for golf as great numbers at the end of the game. Aided by garbage time points Because lines are gonna have to throw the football a lot. He's in a division with kurt cousins. Aaron rodgers the those offenses are going to produce chicago. News this point. I don't know what's going on gallaudet if he stays. he's not going to be a top ten wide receiver. Tell you that right now to be drafted as a wide receiver to Why would you should be. They're the most valuable player in that. Offense is going to be swift regardless and swift garbage time potentially game scripted into catching the ball. Out of the backfield live more often. Goff's not going to be drafted in. Mostly she's not gonna be drafted moseley's and that's if you think about what he did. A couple of seasons ago when he just went bananas. It's been very swift fall from grace no pun intended boy idea the golly things a bummer and marvin jones. I know a couple of big floated. This on twitter. Jones and stafford are very close so maybe marvin jones takes a some discount to go reconnect with the. We wouldn't want that in fantasy. We are already we already got jefferson and cop and was we're good. We're good listen. Stafford gets to connect with his pal clayton. Kershaw that's it. You're done no more friends if you want. Deep threats get clayton kershaw. He's the whiz you went from detroit to los angeles. That's it it doesn't get much better off. You go from the la. The glitz the glamour. And now you've got to go to detroit. Detroit down rival. I've only been to detroit. Once it was for suitable forty yells. Seattle pittsburgh Whether it was horrible. Which of course. It's going to be in that time of the year in detroit. And i remember. It's the only time i've ever been to detroit. And the only thing. I remember outside of the weather was a there was a church on every street. Corner seemingly every quarter. Yeah it was. It was up. But i i could share some other stories on off line with the about but goth. Goth was scapegoat. Man mcvay made a scapegoat. Am i offense. Isn't working right. Ain't me gabu quarterback. Now he's lots of Lots of questions will be answered here. This upcoming season Look we might have other quarterbacks around we know shawn watson wants wants out of houston quite badly. I don't know do you have do you have a wishlist of of who lands. Wear what we're looking at here. Stafford I guess if i knew the rams we're going to be in play because i knew they were going to be interested. I just didn't think there were two one's a three and a player and be able rid themselves a golf so in that that's narrowed. It's good for them. They're not going to have a draft pick in the first round until two thousand twenty four though for crying out loud and that's fifty one holy cow all dude the next time the rams pick the first round would be my fifties. Where's my aarp card. So watson ultimately the best case scenario for him is two things one stay in houston to go to san francisco and the the jets talking about the jets. But they don't have anything right now and they've got a lot of money to spend so if they bring out robinson kenny golladay and they draft. Well yeah then wants to have some weapons. I mean the jets have anything right now. I mean they're jamison crowder. That's it. I'm i'm not. I'm not gonna say that i'm talking about as the russia's are constructed right now. Staying houston bringing back will fuller. That'd be fine for me because he doesn't want to train them they don't john maclean said that on my program a couple of weeks ago. He's under no circumstances. The tax is going to trade him. Well stafford got to ones and a three and a quarterback. What the hell's watson cost. Four ones is going to be expensive. So i'd like to see watson either. Stay in houston or go to san francisco ultimately now new orleans. I'd like to see taste hill. Remain the quarterback and you have senior. James could be the guy. But he's a free agent either way. I think it's going to be famous or tatum hill. Now in new orleans and james would be better for the players around him. Michael thomas alvin kamara. Tastes would be better for the quarterback position overall because of his skills as a runner in washington. That was a team. That i thought stafford could be a nice fit for. Do they ultimately bring in cam. Newton and draft a quarterback and so he knows the offense ron rivera has the connection. I mean that's that's gonna be bandied about all over the place. Are the eagles gonna treat. I would love to see the eagles. Trade carson winston. The colts back with frank reich. I don't they're going to do it. Because of the addition they made a coaching staff. It seems like there's the the the sign is while they're gonna try to fix wentz but do jalen hurts us. Good and fantasies. Very good. And i would say again. I don't know for sure but i. I wouldn't think that the eagles players would be very disappointed. Jalen hurts at quarterback next season. I think he brought a little excitement to the offense. So if i had my way there. I'd love to see whence get del somehow. Hey if the lions are going to pick up that crappy. Gigantic contract jared goff. I mean maybe went skin. Get traded despite the big contract. He's a better player than golf. So that would be. That would be good. If if washington doesn't get cam. James would be a good. Fit there to pajamas with terry. Maclaurin logan thomas and antonio gibson and jd mckissic. Pretty good right. I mean just for again for for the purposes of statistical success winstons gonna throw the ball time so that could also be something. That's in the cards. I was i hope ryan fitzpatrick goes somewhere that he's gonna get a chance to start. That'd be great. I was like actually joking around that maybe going to l. a. would be great like the rams and they take the job goff know he'd be the hero. Whatever the quarterback position is going to be interesting. They adamy not only that. Like the cobbler's gonna bring back. I would think they will. It's it's gonna be fun and it's already started. Yeah i was gonna say we all we all dak into the cowboys roster probably basically every day for the past two years and now it's kinda like well. Yeah ninety nine point nine nine nine percent chance. He's back but going on maybe maybe he gets out of their listen to khazari up that they'll make the best personnel decisions. Oftentimes i. we're not gonna win another super bowl with jerry jones in charge. Things just talks. But i mean truth. Is the truth bro. You team had jack nothing without jimmy. Johnson bowing. Mary don't align all right fabs. We will have you back next week for the post super bowl show. And yeah i mean esa dot com slash fantasy. Sl fantasy podcasts. There's gonna be stuff going on. There's yeah dude. There's coming down the pike here. I've got my one hundred and one fun. Fantasy facts that are up on the site right now have my player rankings for twenty twenty one way too early. They'll be up on the site this week. Also going to have my fifty five fun super bowl fantasy facts. You wanna you wanna quick preview of that. Yes yes i knew. Okay let me see if i can Let's see here. I've got to go back to do a little bit of research six quarterbacks Not counting last season six quarterbacks thrown four plus touchdown passes in a single super bowl. Tom brady joe montana. Steve young troy aikman terry bradshaw and doug williams of those players williams is the only one who's not in the hall of fame. Yeah about that one. Most most fantasy points scored in the super bowl combined. You know it's tom brady. That's easy that that's pretty pretty easy. Can you guess number two is. It's pretty obvious. Think about i mean. I'd say montana now. jerry rice jerry. Rice as right. Montana is just ahead of rice. Montana's had one hundred twelve point. Two fantasy points in super bowls. Rice had won twenty two point seven. Now this one will this one will will. Maybe not shock you. But it's not the first name you'll think of which running back scored the most fantasy points combined in a super bowl combined all games. It's gotta be someone who is there a bunch of times. I'll give you not not patriot. Pbr that's important. This running back was in the super bowl three times with the same team and was a teammate of the two players. You just mentioned montana winds. Oh my rise. I was thinking. Patriots roger craig. It's gotta be five combined fantasy points. I was about to guess thurman thomas since he appeared in four super bowls thomas. Excuse me has the most total touchdowns Excuse me emmett. Smith has the most total touchdowns among running backs in the super bowl. Thurman thomas is tied for second with four all right and you know who is also tied in that group of running backs with four touchdowns super bowl. I'm hoping at some point timmy. Smith comes up on this list that gave me a two at the not and had five. Yup roger craig. Four thurman thomas four franco harris for james white for my goodness. I was about lou. Garrick blunt james white. James white's got four touchdowns in the super bowl. How about that man. Right one one more before we before i let you go or you let me go because this is fun jerry rice. I mean he just so dominant in in the super bowls. I mean like he. He holds every record. So jerry rice leads all wide receivers and super bowl catches twenty eight Who second now think about it. It's a guy who had a play in a lot of super bowls for the same team yet. I mean i'm gonna go. Andre reid you are you good. It was already down the thurman thomas pat so it wasn't a it was a hugely. You're yes twenty-seven dion branch. Julian edelman are tied for third with twenty four. Whose fifth did he ever go. Oh my goodness twenty one catches that's great and when he goes back with golf in the lions next year is a chance that out man. That's that's that's great stuff there. Fats i look forward to the entire list and we spoil too much of it. I mean that was like that was what fourteen percent of it. Plenty more. And i'm going fifty five because the super bowl fifty five so we'll We'll have that up on the site. Also i have my matthew stafford breakdown. That'll be up on the site Very very shortly. So we we've got. 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All right we've We've got an nfl trade to discuss connor. Matthew stafford is going to the los angeles rams in exchange for two picks a third round. Pick and jared goff will get to the line side of it in a second but i know what what was just. You're kind of gut reaction here number one. We'll start with. We'll start with with the pure pure football angle of matthew stafford joining the rams and then we'll get into some of the bigger picture self with with how the rams are are managing themselves these days. I think this is going to be one of the most revelatory trades of our of our time covering like modern times covering football right because what has the narrative ben on matthew stafford since he entered the league. He's playing for bad franchise. And what has the narrative. Ben about. Sean mcveigh's that he is minus one quarterback away from fully realizing his genius potential. And i love the idea of. It's almost like when when brady went to the bucks this year and you're forced to push all your chips to the middle the table on a narrative flake who is more important radio bell check and even though it's a dumb argument like this is is sean mcvay really as good as we think he is and his matt stafford really as good as he is and i think that both of those things are going to come to fruition in a way that like i mean they have to win the super bowl. There's no other option for them at this point and they just lost their most important piece which is branded stale either defensive coordinator so they have to do all this without him Make it to the super bowl. Matthew stafford gotta be phenomenal or else you're just like your like the falling guy in the madman opening credits just like about to drown in the entirety of your debt for the remainder of your life. Which is a scary thing. So no one. No one wants to be that guy. Because i want this to work very badly and i want to start making excuses right now. But what if it was a scenario where You know the rams and the becoming like a top five offense and devi away like the offense fulfills everything but the defense which was great last year with the loss of brain staley they slide back They ended up being. You know bottom to release and whatever it is and then this ends up A ten six nine seven type team and they they play in the nfc west where everyone is just super bowl ready except for me. The cardinals yeah. And i so i understand all the i understand all the wise. I understand all that stuff and you know. I'm not one of these people that thinks that i don't think you made a mistake right. If you're playing madden this makes sense. Matthew stafford is an upgrade. He's going to make your offense better. The question is does the better nece does that. You know. I don't know you want to call it like a medium to medium plus upgrade. Push you over the edge like if they had matthew stafford where they beating the green bay packers in the playoffs this year and then were they winning that next game against tampa. Bay buccaneers. i. I don't think so you know but But we'll see. I don't know i've i've learned not to doubt sean mcvay too. So it's i think two things were staffer here one. We know the way he. He can stressed team Stresa defense both vertically and horizontally is not something you quite had with golf once that sort of. I mean that i share with golf. Those sort of deep crossers is deep over routes. They'd have that we're just hating again and again those just kind of went away and i'm not sure i'm not sure exactly what happened. I know the screen games or a dried up a little bit. I think losing roger sappho who was so good in that area a lot to do with that much A just it never looked like it looked. And i don't wanna say jared goff was Patron mahomes obviously. He had a really gets after play calling but they just like stop calling those plays and it always kind of always kind of confused and disappointed me. I thought what they did. Last year was neat with a lot of the horizontal stuff. They did but It's just kind of limited when it's all said and done and at some point you just need that big downfield play As you know. Connor are our old dear friend. Andy it's a former member of this guess I don't think i'm giving away any secrets. When i say he he has been close to sean mcvay over the years Be discussing their own smile. One interesting thing. Andy brought up last year around. The draft was kind of. Look this rams team. There's no brandin cooks. there's no there's no deep threat here like what's what's going on. What are they doing. Anti brought up that during the senior bowl van jefferson on the gps tracking showed up as one of the fastest players in that in that draft class. So maybe you get something different of him. Maybe he's the guy who adds that element because obviously they don't have a whole lot of cap space or or draft capital to add a sort of and draft like john hightower type or something on day three. But that's about that's about it. And i mean as long as as long as it's going to sit here like a coward just clinging onto that twenty twenty four first round pick. I mean what. What are you gonna do you i. I wanted them to do a clean sweep so that they would not have. It would have been. What two weeks after the inauguration and they would not have had a first round pick throughout the biden administration that would've been phenomenal and they're almost there though. I mean you know at this point putting it past them. I don't think so. No i don't think so either end. Look it's it's a it's a franchise that is obviously putting a lot of stock into coaching and development. And you saw it worked on defense at your yes. Aaron donald the jalen ramsey but dairies williams. Y'all a jordan fuller. I mean these is who are causing them next to nothing who emerged as valuable contributors on that team. I it from that sense. It works where it really hadn't worked. The last couple of years is on the of line where you know like joseph note boom. Who is sort of you know okay. Well this guy will take over whitworth. One day just didn't really work out david edwards on the interior bent hours. You know you don't need world beaters necessarily but it's it's not great and i think you've sort of saw it affect their approach in their play calling and really the way that golf played Coming way back to the point that i started to to make like two hours ago. Now and the way that golf played once whitworth and went down in the protection wasn't as steady. I think in stafford. You have a guy who has better well. I don't think he is much better late in the down. I don't know how good he is. He gets into his mid thirties. Maybe that goes away a little bit but he certainly guy who gives you a chance with things sort of breakdown and you need that second reaction play at that was never. That was never jared goff. Who was never going to be. Jerry golfing likelihood it can be matthew stafford. Yeah i think so. I'm curious where you land You drift towards the The esoteric but are you like are you all in on this First round picks. Don't matter thing. I mean i i feel like that would kind of be your thing right. I i feel like that that would be your take on this that gives. You're you're on board with this. This is i probably fall on that side of it. Obviously i wouldn't. I wouldn't say that Flat out. I do think first round picks again overrated. I think people are let their imaginations run away with them when a when it comes to that stuff but the one thing i wish i remember who the conversation was to people i i like on twitter. Who are kind of like well. You know it's kinda dumb that you know we say pick now is worth more than a pick later. 'cause like what's the difference. Gio that sort of thing. It's like well the difference is you. You're gonna play games this year. Like you're you're trying to win games. I mean i've said on this podcast before they ever let me on. Open floor spertzel's rates. Nba podcasts. I would i would say this philadelphia seventy sixers. You lost like five years of your life. That was like your team has contracted and just went away. Like was that worth it. Because the team you broke down you broke down because they can get past game. Seven of the conference semifinals and now twelve years later and you have a team that has yet to get past game seven the conference semifinals. And and in there you had five years of literally on watchable basketball so that that's that's a that's a tangent that i will wrap now but People to sort of lose fact of you know like yes. Let's let's build his thing long-term let's let's you know. Make sure we're monitoring what's What's going to happen. Twenty two twenty two twenty twenty three. But it's like you're still you're gonna play sixteen games next year like try and try and win them. It's fun watching your favorite team win a football game it. It makes me mad when i think about the real life analogy though where it's like the rams are like the guy who like he's just like yeah i like reversed double reverse and then unreversed my mortgage and now. I have refinanced at six times. I have a mansion. And it's like and he's like an and it didn't add any money to the payment and you know he doesn't understand how it works right and You know like this person will be like one day in a lot of a lot of trouble but in the meantime you're like man. They got a great house. They've they've done all these insane things you know. And and that's what the rams are now and it's frustrating because they're probably right like all the people last night who were arguing that you know first round picks don't really matter and that you know the they're buying it's essentially a version of what the seahawks and the patriots have been doing any way. And so why is this any different. I know they're right but at the same time. It's like frustrating. Because it's not not totally the responsible thing to do you know like my my thing is if what is your greatest asset like if you're stan kroenke and you're looking at your team and you're saying ten years from now. What is going to be the thing. That i look back on and say that was the most important thing. And it's undoubtedly sean mcvay. Because sean mcvay probably still going to be there. You know ten years from now. One of the two or three coaches. That i would look at in the nfl right now and say that guy's probably still going to be there unless he burns out or unless another team trades for them to trade for them to give them some of the picks back that they lost a job. But i think that once this is over this little window of time you're in a in a boatload of trouble that said i said that about the buccaneers at the beginning of the season and look at how dumb i look then too so i don't know i don't know what the right answer is if you go for it and it works. It's great and if not you know you get fired you know. But but that's like that is the ludicrousness of the nfl. Right if your general manager like less need and you're feeling the heat a little bit right and a lot of the things that you've done are the things that are wrong. Giving jared goff the contract was you know that was now. Twenty three draft picks that you've spent for three guys that are actively on the roster. That's wrong eventually. This is all these. Are all going to be breadcrumbs that go back to you and then what what do you do you freak out and spend to more draft picks on matthew stafford like it's an amazing thing like it's like it's like having a lame duck president with the nuclear codes which i guess we do you know we do. Allow them to have them until like the last day but like why. That just seems totally crazy to me. If you're an owner you should be sitting next to your general manager if if they're even the least bit embattled every day and just be like. Hey what are you doing. What are you doing with that phone who you call them. You gonna trade another unitary tumor picks so you've gotta talk to me about it now but nobody does it. They just like mike maccagnan with jess. Feeling the heat okay. you know. Hey owner. I'm gonna go get le'veon bell for sixty million dollars. That doesn't seem like a good idea but yeah sure then you fire them three months later this is this is the ludicrousness of the nfl. We're we're allowing these guys to basically push everything onto black for one last spin on the roulette wheel because they know that if they if they don't they will be back in. It's like it's this crazy thing that we allowed a continuously happened like nobody's managing the general managers throughout of control. Yeah yeah no i. I agree with that i also. I really hope that sort of the next twist in this thing is next offseason. After matthew stafford shines they they go ahead. And just treat sean mcvay for for more traffic capital and yeah so as far as the lions go in this thing I just wanna look you. Sorta got the census was trickling out. Like you know. The treaty was announced. Saturday around like ten o'clock eastern time here Thanks by the way. The reports on friday or that matthew stafford consider the rams contender it seemed like stafford was was very intent on going to the rams and y'all trickled out than maybe teams had better offers on the table. But this were sapheramaina. Go in the lines did right by him. And again You could milked it. For every last dollar you probably could have gotten slightly more draft capital. These picks likely likely are going to end up being in the twenties But you know there's just there's something nice about just doing right by the guy who just sort of made suffer through this torturous Four year run. They're all it took. Was dan campbell for the franchise to erase the history of just maniacally toying with their greatest players and making them feel horrible. You ask calvin johnson to give them give them your money back you totally alienate barry sanders. Like after he retires and so this time they were like well. Let's let's make it not like that anymore. let's make this a place where people actually wanna play and won't be like matt stafford where you know the secondly draft you. You're looking around saint god. This sucks and trying to get out of here so good for them. I thought that was i agree. I thought that was nice. The one thing that i don't think is like that i don't love from the detroit angle of this is like you you you you know how this business works like every time a trade like this happens. There is the obvious correct point of view and then somebody has to aggressively. Contrarian is this thing and there's like all these goff true for truth that have emerged in said like that. He's going to be a top ten quarterback next year like with this offense and that he will be in the playoffs next year and data. I don't get. I mean. I know why it's happening Because if it happens you look. It's it's a. It's a safe bet right like it happens. You're gonna look great. It endures you to the lions and goff and that's a good thing to be if you're in our business and you know but otherwise like wh. Where's this coming from. I don't i don't understand this at all He put up great numbers a couple of years ago and look it is within the realm of possibilities out there because the lines make the play. Yeah i mean. They're competitive enough. I guess that you know league. If that's the thing if you simulated the season like three hundred times i think you come up with scenarios. Where like all thirty teams. Make the playoffs at some point. So you know. Is this the professional football players. They are the the they have not been relegated day. Exactly like you know sure. Yeah they could go nine and seven and still play. The bears made a last year. I mean yeah you could. You could leave the lines that way. I don't really see a scenario. I think golf maybe in four five years tops. Out as like a kirk cousins sipe. He's on kirk cousins level. Right now was in charge of the problem. And i am someone who i had no problem with them. Giving him the extension. I thought they had the right coach. Callback marriage i was fine with them committing to him and it just. It clearly was not working last couple of years. Yeah not yeah. That's an interesting comparison. I mean i have been thinking like if you're detroit. Do you do you draft a quarterback this year in a because that was the other part of this was like immediately. Everyone was saying well. Goff the unquestioned starter You know is he that much better than let's say a tray lance if who's if he's around during that time more Mack jones or anything like that. I don't i don't know the answer you know. I really haven't had time to watch the college quarterbacks yet but it is an interesting thing. Right what is the lions is evaluation of golf long-term. You have the guy who drafted goff as your general manager and detroit. So obviously we're going to kind of learn a little bit more about that as it goes along but don't know cousins is an interesting comp though look at your highest end he's going to be kirk cousins like da. Take that if you're detroit or is kirk cousins almost like that. That could not great barometer. That you're trying to break through. Yeah that's that's. That's the other thing about this quarterback mark the last couple of years at three years ago. Kirk cousins was like well. Yeah man he can run your offense you. You can have a basic level of functionality. You're you're not going back to christian ponder whatever it might be it was a challenge for everyone to just get a solid baseline level starter. And i think kirkland's a little better than that but now it's just kind of it's turn into You need more than that. And especially if you're the rams you need more than that you know kirk cut you. What's your best. What's your favorite fast casual place like i'm talking. Long long. horn steakhouse olive garden. That kind of thing like of that. Category like chain weighted highway waitstaff. Come to your table. Yes okay. I'd have to go Probably out back. Yeah i yeah. I'm there red lobster maybe for me But yeah that's what kirk cousins is right like you're driving around in. You're saying okay you know there's there's zagged rated place but like we have to know the password and You know and we have to be wearing like the chuck taylors with no laces in order for them to let us in or we can have a fine meal at outback steakhouse. And it'll be okay. And that's kirk cousins like and that at best. That's jared goff right and we've seen that he can get you to the super bowl but you have to have a tremendous coach and excellent talent. So i don't know it's interesting. I mean i. I will say that. The anthony lynn factor intrigues me here. Because i don't think he got nearly enough credit for his work with justin herbert. And maybe that You know maybe that comes to fruition as well. So yeah. I do really like the prospect of trae lance there I think lance in in anthony. Lynn offense is really nice. V there but As far as getting golf and look well. Let me ask you this. What do you consider the golf part of this do golfer third was that sort of the I mean the rams had to move goff here for for cap purposes but consider the trade basically okay. One part is the two ones for stafford and the other part is gives a third rounder. And we'll take golf off your hands. Like i thought you know that was my immediate thought. Right was if you're if you're the lions then you immediately utilize these things and start starch flipping them again. You know but it it. It doesn't seem to be the case like i. you know. I know that has to happen in a lot of places like you can't be as cold as the browns were when they acquired brock osweiler instead. We're just really excited about the second round. Pick you and they didn't go that route so i don't know maybe maybe it is all about golf for the future. Who knows but i i. I'd like to see trae lance anywhere. That is the one quarterback that. I've watched a lot of so far and demand. Is he just fun to watch. Yeah it was not quite us. Why larry in osweiler ian as far as that tree goes with golf but it it larry sense. Yeah yeah yeah like a the nice thing. Is you have golf there. There's no shame in in charge golfing when the thirty two starting quarterbacks and now you sort of yourself a musician if you love trey lance maybe gotta move up but a couple of spots again them now. You have the ammo to do that if if you don't care for trae lance or just in fields or zack wilson you could just say well. We'll hang on until next year and We got a little bit of extra draft capital. Fiesta jump around a year from now so not not a bad spot now. Well yes and no. I'm thinking i'm thinking like i'm looking now at like Nfl fast are has like expected. Points added in completion percentage over expectation that composite which i think is a pretty complete way of greed in a fair way of grading quarterback throughout the season because it does take into account situational stuff and so stafford as the twentieth. Best quarterback behind gardner minshew new and then gough is twenty third but once you get beyond right it drops off a cliff in terms of like teams that are just completely hopeless. The position right. It was Andy dalton to a tongue. Vilo nick foles. Daniel jones drew lock. Sam darnold and carson wentz. So if that's like. I mean if you're the lines that's the way to think about it too. It's like yeah this is a guy but like there are also not very many guys who are worse than you know like. He's he's fine but like there's also like a lot more better people than him. We should be looking for one of those guys. Yeah fair enough. I'll go with that I didn't look the other big story. Shawn watson is on the market. You might have heard something about it. But i don't really think this trade affected the watson market except i don't either now. Yeah if the rams were gonna be in on it they are obviously not going to be on it but I thought to ones for stafford was about what he'd get And whatever when people sort throughout you yeah well three ones for for watts ones have different values if you get the jets one this year if you get the dolphins one if you get the falcons by those are i number one picks it once you trade watson you treat show them onto the forty niners and take their twenty twenty two twenty three and twenty four first rounders. you're probably not getting very high for trump. ix you're getting second rump. if basically second round picks yeah yeah no. I totally agree. i mean. That was another like contrarian take That drove me nuts on saturday. Like people just pushing their glasses up from their nose and saying obviously this means shawn watson not gonna get traded of course it does like he hates it there and he doesn't wanna play there and the texans are just going to let him sit there and have this poor man david kelly like this seemingly friendly old guy answer questions about him every single day for months and months and months while they're trying to build a team in a culture. It's a horrendous idea. They're going to trade him. I think so. And i think they're gonna try to the jets but i. Yeah i agree. I think that a stafford. The i think there were some additional capital being thrown in there because of the salary digestion aspect of it So in that sense. I think that you almost take that trade and you put that on an island if you're any team that's dealing with the texans. I think you start from the foundational conversations that you've been having i you know. I think that there is precedent. You know sure. And i think that some of that stuff does follow You know linear line there. But i think the stafford trait is just different because there are so many different aspects to it. There's a ridiculous salary. There was a quarterback. Who wasn't that talented involved in the deal and that complicates things like you know. There's also precedent is. How much better is matt stafford than alex smith. Alex smith went to a team for third round. Pick not too long ago. You know what i mean. And so i i reject the idea that this in any way makes us think that shawn watson isn't getting dealt maybe because i just want him to be dealt so badly i i do want to throw staffers much better than alex. Smith was a couple of years ago and that super bowl swap. I am excited about the prospect of stafford with the rams. I was not excited about the prospect of alex smith. Sort of being the bridge guy in washington and what ended up being true. A sort of punch offense but yeah the lots and the only thing i'll i'll put out there is the texans have just been such a strange organization for the past couple years. I guess i wouldn't put anything past them. They are losing badly in the court of public opinion and they seem to not care. And i don't know what the end game becomes like at what point because there is some new said four. Look this new. Cba putting all these new rules to keep guys from holding out and forcing teams hands and That was very important to the owners and to basically lose this very high profile battle in the in the first year of it would be damaging not just to the texas while even if it's logical for the texans but they might find damaging but it's kind of damaging the league as a whole it. It would be extraordinarily damaging. And i think that you know what began with jalen ramsey. You know some of those guys in jacksonville that forced their way off the roster and got what they wanted antonio brown in a different time before we really kind of found out what his deal was. you know. There is a mounting to just kick and scream your way off roster and i do think it's scaring the crap out of these guys and does shawn watson will be the test case for that right you know but i don't know what else you do like if you're the nfl as a whole as a business you have to then also decide. Do i want one of my five best players just not playing because of a contractual hissy fit. You wouldn't we rather just see him somewhere else and from a business point which i think this all comes down to Like they're not going to care about individual markets because you all divvy up the revenue right. And what's the most popular sport for the growing like the gen z. People is that dramatic z z and happens after that. I don't know away. Yikes well you know. Genzyme beyond the most popular sports are e sports in the nba. And the reason is player movement right and constant player movement. You know people don't care about a team anymore like they don't they really don't care about where the best fantasy football players go or their their favorite players in madden. Go and putting them in different uniforms and helmets. And that's a bigger deal to people. And so i think the nfl would much rather see to shawn watson wearing another uniform the to have him just completely wasting away and us getting sixteen games of water. No maybe josh. Mccown comes back off the coaching side and plays quarterback for the texans. I don't know what they're playing quarterback at this point. So yeah i i do. Think they're planet coaches. Josh mccown is coaching waiting here. Which is why inches while they hire. You know their final sixty something year old guys. And if i was eric piano piano if he was interested in any way in this position but i think the way they message the josh mccown interview sort of spelled out. If you take this job you will be handing over this guy. Soon it You know it's an interesting way to. I've never been on a job interview like that. One i interviewed with the that. Didn't they didn't show me a punk college students that i would eventually after turn the turn the hot tape blog over to. I'm glad they didn't you know that would have been That would have been difficult for me to digest at the time. Now we'll We'll tap you on the shoulder and just one day you'll see. It'll be much colder than that. The qb monday morning nfl. Podcasts is connor. Or and me gary gramling we are produced by shelby. Royston executive producer of podcast. Got brody. Ben eagle is director of editorial projects and product. Mark rafiq is emeritus editor of the qb. Andy is the founder of the qb nfl podcasts. Be sure to scr subscribe to this. 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2003 Week 13: Patriots at Colts

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2003 Week 13: Patriots at Colts

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I have to listen to a fucking dog in the background. Is i quit this podcast. This is our final episode with gregg us. But steve i were talking before you joined. Greg and i think at this point is almost like a pavlov's response listeners. Because they when you're here they know that this is a game worth watching. Yeah especially they find out that you even wash this entire watched the whole game start to finish. Tell us which one it is. What what are we. What are we talking about tonight. The the folks out there will remember it as the big willy fourth down. Stop on the goal line and then run down the center of the field. The rca dump pointing to the habits a legendary game and patriots lar-. Yes so this is two thousand three week thirteen. The patriots will travel to the the dome still. Yeah was it was that it still is it. Now it's lucas oilfield now. Oh that's right. Yeah play different stadium to right now. The patriots at nine to travel to and you nablus by the colts were also nine into for battle for. I think technically second place in the afc. Because aren't the chiefs like ten and one. They're undefeated up until last week. Yes but the culture tied with the titans for at night and to move in their division patriots are couple games up there Over the miami dolphins were eight and four and they'll be playing each other next week so lot on the line for this Kind of homefield advantage through the playoffs. Maybe that sort of stuff and just kind of like the first real marquee battle between brady and manning right 'cause they've played before but they haven't really been. That was like real early. Tom brady two thousand one game but brady right his first game and that also the david patten game like two weeks later. They're both early in that season. Yeah that's right i had. I want to put a correction out there though because on the last episode. I said i don't remember who we played in the playoffs in this year. Could game remember because this is the year manning in near share. Mvp's correct and both of them are in the same division. They're both doing awesome this year. Yes peyton manning. This year was like prime payment. And what did he do. he did. forty two hundred yards twenty nine touchdowns ten interceptions which and this is still two thousand three. So they hadn't even changed the rules yet. Which i think we will get to at the later on in this season to allow wide receivers free releases and less contact wide receivers. I still falling for forty two hundred yards and twenty nine touchdowns pretty good scam stacked. Yeah and and for Comparison sake. Tom brady in two thousand and two the year before this led the league. With twenty nine touchdown passes so this is like league leading numbers. Here is the pages offense of seven like where he is dislike dominating a little bit control ball ton. Yeah but greg said this is a loaded team. Kind of both is the bara Moore's obviously more on the but there's some names that you'll recognize the defense to leading rusher edgar. James rampant twelve hundred yards eleven touchdowns good season for a team. That's been slinging the ball to four thousand years and twenty touchdowns but the other end of that connection obviously marvin harrison and reggie wayne marvin harrison Twelve hundred yards ten touchdowns and zero witnesses. The season Reggie wayne secondly receive and thirty eight yards and another seven touchdowns on top of that so they were scoring in bunches. This team are they. Do they would end up finishing pollard. Clark tight end. Oh that's right. Yep and also rookie. What's his name dallas clark. I saw that who unfortunately in this game goes to hell with a real bad ankle injury which turned out to be season ending right. Bradford fibula any season. So i don't think he played much after these later. Oh yeah they're draft is year was actually pretty good because i got him in the first round robert mathis who also really good defensive end played really well and then kato. June twelve linebacker from michigan. I'll kato all three would go to at least the segment right. This is free as like. That's coming on scene right now to hit thirteen sacks in two thousand and two this is the middle of his pride see went thirteen eleven sixteen eleven straight years ten sacks each yeah and he was drafted the year before in two thousand and like you said this year. Yep and that dude is fast. I remember like you know. It's like oh yeah he he was. He was fast. Does have a problem with them but you just forget how fast he actually was the one of the first snaps of the game. He just blew by matt light as if you would just stand still was incredible. How green snap wicked good to jump bill. And say i think the astroturf everybody looks so goddamn fast on the ash. Cloud looks untouchable on. This just looks awesome in general. Like i understand that it's better to play on like this fake they're asked but the tariff with like the bright green popping and again y'all everyone looks fast and they're about to like everyone's super clean too because it's a on carpet offering up their jerseys. Yeah college definitely popping. Bush wound up everyone when he tore his. Acl fucking reggie bush. So how did the colts do this year. Well you forgot one important player. I was going to get him in a second. Mike is it the same mr perfection. Yeah all right. Well all right. Let's do it fact. human. Being larry asli because i didn't actually realize that's the person in this. Yes no doubt. They were talking about him. Yeah so. I was looking up a little bit and just kind of like some of the boston globe articles the week leading into this. And there's a lot of talk about how one he's more than more than just a football player We have a quote here. Oh here we go. Vantage act will always defend himself as a football player. Not just a kicker quote. I have the full respect of every player in this locker room. He said you'll never hear manning for one. Call him quote. Just a kicker again. A kicker seems to be a negative about you like. Oh you're just a kicker and that's a negative statement put on you. Jack said it's ridiculous. I take pride in being able to tackle guys throw the ball around and be an athlete. It's disappointing. I get labeled like that. It's changing but it's been a slow process. Sometimes i talk the talk but i walk the walk. I'm an athlete. Everybody in here knows it even more ironic right because manning said exactly that at the pro bowl. Just kicker yeah. He's like when like thinner. Jack was complaining about something man who was like. It's a real shame that we got this like jackass drunken kicker making comments to the media. While i'm here at my therapy or something like that. Yeah well so here you go. The i don't know if this is the same the same article or not earlier on and so it was just talking about how he's He's been outspoken. and so it says advantage. I went home to toronto to do quote the score which i guess is the oh toronto cable. Tv show. He said that manning needs to quote show some enthusiasm and that donges quote just a mild mannered guy. Manning responded by calling vander jacked quote an idiot kicker on that the ryen hung over the team in the offseason but ever since the colts have been good and fiery and they take a nine two record and stays match up with the patriots who also night into nobody in the coals. Locker room is apt to say that they are quote idiot. Liquor up kicker as global last january success. Yeah that was actually making the rounds today. I watched that clip today because apparently mahomes hussein's other about not having like protection. Oh yeah so. There are people throwing that around. Yes so by. He's perfect on the season. Go i that's why it's important. Because he missed a field or some which he did not for for an extra points doing yes. He was also over to on tackling john though he was her. Thank speaking which speaking. Ooh you have a. bethel johnny medium. I'm wearing a bethel jones and jerry. The fuck did you. Did you buy just for this because it is. It's a be. Johnson holy shit and i think it was a boss. That was what. I went downstairs earlier tonight. Tell you it was like who's that. I got a personalized. 'cause i have a big johnson. I think she has believed it. I or she did. She lives with you. Johnson did just recently buy this. No no i've had it. How long it's this time for. You bought you know for good for you do bethel i gotta say like i. You're right he does have be johnson on his jersey as his check on the highlights on pages info be johnson. Who had this impression of him being like a bust. Ted johnson. i think but he's awesome. He was more just like a kind of a good watchers seaver and not just a kick returner but he never really did anything other than kick returning. He's had some good receiving games. yeah. I think he's really impressed me. This game was pretty good. This is pretty good too. yeah I think it's more because they just haven't had anybody else support their though. Like you're not gonna start him over. Diab branch plays when given opportunities. He's doing ok okay. Allied he to catch seven yards in. This game was also had like two of the biggest plays in the game right. So let's get into the game. I guess well one other note on the call. There are one two three four hall of famers on this team manning harrison harrison free. No no no way. He was inducted last year. As you james hall of famer which i found really surprising yeah inducted last year has a bit of a show and i wanted to bring that up like i never. I never feared edgerrin. James has an opponent like marshall faulk. You're always what are we gonna do like disguise a match up nightmare because a weapon he could. You could just win this game on his own. But i never got that feeling false. Exactly how they felt right andy thing but i get what you're saying greg. Edrich james is just like a rookie. League laurence maroney. Yeah you just never showed up. And then that means he's spa shouldn't be in all of fame in my opinion. I'm with because he because he never scared. Patriots fans We've been you've put up a ton staff. They didn't even put up a unprecedented way without a lot of big wins. Yeah he never really showed up in the playoffs. And i remember any eventually figured out but that way after edges gone but like harrison. Yes right he could kill you. You were scared of manning yes tony. Dungy is the fourth by the way. Yes voice did tony. Dungy has like the same career. Winning percentage percentages belgium. I just didn't think i was the coaches all really. We're talking about the same tony dungy. That's correct six sixty eight. Winning percentage compared to bell checks six. Seventy eight. Wow all right. Yeah he was five five against the patriots in his career. The pat sexually star. It was weird because they started like four one against them but then they went one in four after that but they were and the patriots. Were two and one in the playoffs. Tony dungy let's get into the game. Well one other head coach though that that is funny is jim. Colwell was a qb coach. And i guess. I guess if you're a qb coach peyton manning that means you will eventually get ahead shop because the orig- between him and adam gays. Yeah just the the is on both of them through different reasons. Because i think i think jim colwell has thousand yard stare in where you know. How like sometimes dogs just stare at a wall for no reason. That's tony Jim colwell where you start like you ache. And basalt is just. He's awake. I share and he sees flies that are in the room that nobody else sees smelling colors. Exactly can see. Sounds so yeah. Jim colwell coach. Huby whisper anybody any any coach of quarterbacks that if it's a good quarterback is gonna get labeled. Qb whisper how the nfl works buzzword city. All right so sorry about this football game. Gimme gimme a rundown running of house was risi your steve. Let me get this one okay. I watch this game. I'll have you know so scam was famous for the stop at the end but the whole game was just wild and itself and actually we give this a walkability score. Share all right. This is a very entertaining out of out of six. Lombardi's what would you give this. Give it a even five. That's so i mean not sixes. Because it's not a playoff game. I think But not in two teams going at it all the way to the end. Braiding main factor. I mean it's a shootout to the final score ends up being thirty eight to thirty four patriots. Yeah so as a points. Fiesta and really. It could've been a devastating loss to the patriots. This yeah when. I was washing it. The part that surprised me was how many opportunities the patriots squandered to just like stone bond. The colts throat and put the game away for good. Yeah and it's i. I what i thought. The colts comeback game. I was a king of the championship. Game they lost right. I always got these six. I believe yeah and really. It's like tidal system to that game. The patriots pulled out in the end but the patriots go up thirty one to ten late in the third quarter gave up down lead. Get it back. And then the fourth down stop comes on basically the last play of the game. Yeah but the colts had also already come. This was the season where i remember playing the bucks and they were down. Yeah thirty five fourteen with five minutes left in the game and they came back and won it like thirty eight thirty five and i watched the fourth quarter that game. Yeah me too. Oh no not. Generally i watched before like two weeks ago i disliked across and i was like. Oh yeah. I remember hearing about this monday night game. It was insanity bananas. Yeah they they literally came back from was three touchdowns down with five minutes. Left is twenty twenty eight two seven. No that's the other thing is was twenty seven to start the fourth. It was thirty five fourteen with four minutes and sixteen seconds left and then they tied it up with still a minute. Thirty seven left on the clock in less than three minutes. They scored twenty one points without turnovers. It was it was kinda like just clinical to peyton manning. Just yeah just doing his thing and it and it just all when it clicks. That's what happens. You scored three touchdowns in couple minutes. Offensive perfection yeah and To greg's point they kind of did that again in this game because like you say and the patriots. Why not was it. Thirty one ten. Let's not go thirty one. Ten them up and then beat mini. Nothing in the first half he was not. Yeah yes i mean. Yeah the page in the first. Half the manning's first drive. You got strips. Act on third down Eric confusing you could tell knew what he was lines. Hold on the ball a lot longer than ever see men and do in able dislike hunted him down. Kim rowley around luth around. John blind in the back was great. For the patriots immediately turned into a mike cloud touchdown run bradford johnson clip of him built pepper johnson. Oh man he was high density. The names in this game. I think is another reason. Why the five lombardi game pepper you talking about. Like the obscure names on the patriots. Now just the fact that all these huge names playing this game. Okay because there's also a bunch of fucking. Nobody's yeah like the people that score touchdowns for the patriots. Mike cloud michael d award ward ward who feature warrior. He played last week. He had catches their. Jj fucking stokes. Yeah i had no clue. J j stokes patriots talking about this last week greg jade pocket stokes week dokes and details were basically starting at wide receiver. Jd in like thirty. Five yard bombed. Yeah dietrich or sabre. This cave genesee greg. But i still don't no you actually. Have you have killer snapchat. Steve those ones that you make your face ugly screenshot of everything hilarious kickstart when you open a beer you pretend like yeah elliott because your girlfriend looks disappointed like constantly slowly leaving. Her is like just stop being eventually to see the love. Fading speaking of love fading the shine off the patriots like that any. I was pretty good. Yeah but like even this this whole first half was just all patriots. It felt like they put up ten points in the first quarter. And then there another touchdown like right as the second quarter starts and the cult. Heaven's scored yet so it's twenty one now seventeen nothing. Yep called score field goal at feel down. Yeah that absolutely filthy. Move from marvin. Harrison kid is pretty fucking good. He's taking advantage of eugene wilson safety memories. College quarterback drafted move the safest rookie year ends his tenth or eleventh gade. Yeah he was tough game coverage in this game i thought he was scrappy though like made a couple good place jersey. I well this game. That's why i think. I liked them is because even though he wasn't he's like Butler malcolm butler where he might not be the most talented player but he you could tell like he was taking it personal if something and you play with anger where like every tackle coming in hard and being like okay. If i'm gonna fuck up. I'm gonna fuck up heart. I respect that in a player. That's fair but i think we should probably talk about the end of the first half in this game because this just again is kind of another point of like. This is how exciting. This game was because the cold scored at the end of the half does like manning threw touchdown to pollard with twelve seconds. Left in the in the half nap pulls it within seventeen tents it. They close it. So it's cool. They're gonna they're going to get the ball back clock crowds roaring exactly. Yeah they're starting to get some more and I want you to hear what actually know. Well we'll talk about i but So the the. The colts kickoff johnson instead of screaming. Twelve seconds after they just derailing kickoff and all that happens is housecall. Yeah that'll johnson balking later battle. John alludes the tackle of athletes. Mike banjac big johnson. It'll take it ninety one yards for the down to end the half large to johnson and then one of my one of my favorite one of my favorite pastimes of the. Nfl is interviewing coaches as they run into the locker room for halftime while running. Thanks great coach. Obviously a cut it to seven at big tony dungy a huge reversal momentum as dumb on my part kicking the ball Which has got to bounce back from it. The second half. We're starting to move the ball. We gotta get them stopped on defense big return earlier to have like a sixty sixty five yard. No that comes later even better. Yeah i expect that. I love with coach. Obviously you cut it to seven that big drive and then a huge reversal of dumb. On my part. He couldn't wait it to get it out. He was like let me let me interrupt park kicking a ball. That's dumb on my part kicking the ball departmentalize dumb on my part kicking the ball date. Eleven won't tony dungy. Be like as dumb on my pop. Pretty sure andy. Just watching sports not like root for teams but the root against teams i rueda individuals. Actually a couldn't care less. Is it any individual. Not of the patriots. Is that how you classify categorize not any but they all seem to buy not on the patriots. Large majority will say yes. Yeah right but if see if doug peterson said that same exact quote. He'd have a job right now. They just came on and said you know what that was dumb on my fire. Everybody would have been like okay. I get it in a mill. We all make mistakes. Moving didn't happen though. So yeah so. I mean so. Now it's twenty four ten patriots. Yeah at halftime instead of seventeen ten and that just took the air out of the place yeah. Did you see the patriots fans in the in the crowd. Going wild like seven of them. Is there a better feeling than being away. Fan and with like a backbreaking. Play like that. Where all stadiums like faulk and your dislike here socket robin trout just mood in the crowd audit real tense. And everyone's drunk as shit and click and at the end of the game to sketch his sketchy dumb. Fates that dates from rothlisberger at pittsburgh. Well that had the added anger. Up the the jesse james touchdown right. That was beautiful too. I can't wait to get to the home. It's such a. It's such a rollercoaster of emotions. Where you're bummed out everybody around us happy and then in twelve seconds your ecstatic and everybody else says that up inclined news out from underneath a huge difference right instead of seventeen tango to habits twenty four to right exactly the different game yep and then the patriots. Stop the colts i drive. And then scored another touchdown and so now. It's it's thirty one ten and you know where to drives into the in the second half warm up the bus and then literally the next dr manning threw another interception. And this is where like it started. Feel for me like how is this so close because now that was like two plays later so the pages up thirty with nothing and they're they're like harassing manning and he's thrown his you know his second turnover the game and in cloudy out there. He's an he was looking shook. Yeah he was multiple touchdown games early getting dark. Cloudy out there through storm. blew bruins. because there's a lot of clouds gathering. Hey hey you you get off of my cloud. Good one i had to look at birmingham burma's so rolling stone song apparently. Yeah why do now. Yeah so the patriots have first and ten at the indianapolis thirty like already field goal range up one to ten six minutes left in the third. You're like skims over the hornets. Yeah yeah field goal in this game done like any anything so you can run the clock out and run to the one in and get stopping. It's fine but brady throws them as option two plays later. And so it's like never even happened whoops and then the cold start rolling their their. This put all the south. Because you have to write your down fucking three touchdowns in the third so the gulford on four and nine. In converting eventually manning throws touchdown wayne and i think that was at the one one of these one of these were were really good. the wayne wine was all tap in the corden of the end zone is a nice catch. Oh one thinking of yeah. You're thinking of the drop in the bucket tomorrow harrison. The back corner. Maybe it was one where it looked like. It was going to be a quick. And then he got the midfield and took straight off out the same instead the same route. Actually that he fooled. Eugene on earlier yeah and you've gene was the wrong way both times munn gaining just over through them. Second one he made. It was the exact same route so so this was so good. You so fucking good. You remember this feeling to of what playing against manning where you'd be like oh boy right exactly the start. He'll figure it out eventually. Even then he knows the counter to it and mahomes this year or late day. Same way we have to score here. Because we're only three touchdowns. Brady was the same way though you know but i down to figuring out. He'll figure out what they're doing. We'll get going. Yeah i suppose that's true. I think bones and manning have more like this could all fall apart really fast. Yeah like it could be like two touchdowns in four plays. Don't let them score once 'cause once they score like opened the floodgates sort of thing whereas brady brady will. He'll never really get down by that much. Because you'll always find a way to claw back and hang in there the end you know i mean i think breathe does get. The lady played a little bit and place at turnovers in like help from the defense a special teams. So we even in this game bunch of bigger terms in buffalo. You know the not some dump picks. Yeah i mean this was still early in his career so he was still throwing thrilled. Pick but like one last time you remember him doing that rising he doesn't throw those anymore. I feel like you never really count brady out. No matter how many of the other one that comes online at the bills you know where they're up a ton in the fourth quarter mckelvin. Fumbles kickoff return when he could only there's a bunch of other shit around that game broncos the forty niners won it was the same. It just didn't break their way on that monday night game was ridiculous too but you know but this game was the opposite brady get the ball back communities. Pick up the fucking that manning. I think i think it was on. The first play throws another touchdown harrison. That's what you're talking about you beat and so that's fourteen points in like four plays yeah total including the patriots plays like gosh now hour the fourth quarter and it's thirty one twenty four instead of thirty one ten and the crowd is fucking into it especially when the patriots go three and out and manning again drives them down scored another touchdown and it's tough game thirty one thirty one thirty one ten minutes. That's another it's just crazy like you go. Hi how do you lose the thirty one. Ten game with six minutes sutton third. They lost it with ten minutes. Left in the fourth tie game tight game after two drives in the fourth quarter. It's it's unbelievable. This called steam was like that though. Yeah but then. Back to seize point like manning scores out touchdown to tight and the colts side. Yeah you know. We're going to kick it a battle. Johnson and he does exactly say if i can take it. Sixty yards thing johnson nixon. I thought the definitely had a big return. The first half to he must have three big returns. Because i thought this return with abby watch highlights. He must have had three. Because mike's a half as a dumb mistake. 'cause i think beppu already had a big return like in the first quarter or so. Then that's my thumb. Indicate to him again. Give them a second chance in the first half of another big return and then he kicks in the fourth quarter. It is another big return. Yeah i think you're right. I think. Uh i think he did have if five returns for one hundred ninety two yards average forty yards return. Three good god. He's the man. he was awesome. Yeah he didn't really have any return the first half because it colston score so cares factcheck. That's a lie. Anybody remains number one on my no game. I told you so. Yeah so the patriots are set up to start at the colts thirty two which is a big. But this time. Brady branch for touchdown. And now we're actually like now like ships just like all over the place just all over the place and actually Brady could you could have actually credited him with One of the earlier. Mike cloud touchdowns because it was a touchdown but the ruled out of bounds and the patient challenge it. I think it was a maybe teaching award or jj just about that. I don't like adam to the list of the brady touchdown guys. Yeah that'd be that'd be a deep cut on that list. He definitely. it was clear. Cut down to why they how they even ruled that out of bounds. The first base beyonce guys sitting there to watching all the way through and there was like no risk but then the the patients didn't even challenge because they had the ball to one for whatever reason. And i think was i think it was a pass interference call on the play anyway in the end zone. So there's gave it to on spatial. Yeah fuck fucking what is running. And then he picked an illegal tip bolton play cloudy run right down and td from jj stokes. They turned over their critic. Changed the game too so here. Yep but the patriots again. Yeah so they're up again by touchdown and then they hold the colts they stop for them one. What happens andy action. They didn't yeah. And then how do you to say. Because i feel like i'm league. Mvp yeah no Dynasty mvp kevin. Faulk makes a rare rare mistake. The season dp early early dynasty. Mvp oh i didn't know you were saying the mvp the whole of the dynasty. That seems rich. Gimme gimme somebody else. Bruce rich as in. Larry tom brady. Maybe maybe kevin falk. Tom brady isn't put up a key. Fumbles right yeah. Yeah well yeah page. Starting at their own eight and he fumbles so the cold. Starting at the new england eleven go three and out settled for field and fell not great great. Yeah we're going for the foot and noted athlete vantage kicks a field goal. Stay perfect on the season. I wash highland where we're talking. He definitely thought he could tackle baffled. Johnson and then realized about the thirty yard line. That bethel's way too. Fast your yeah. He's running for but he gets his hip certainly comes back around a little bit. Be on the angle. No nope nope. There's no angled that works out that you're gonna catch him but yeah so. I'm not a huge stop by the defense number one. Because you're still a touchdown and but you you're starting on a short field starting on your eleven yard line and to hold the colts to a three and out and make him kick a field goal. It's thirty eight thirty four. And so the page of this point just like fuck it. We're just gonna run the clock right. They're doing whatever they can you know. They weren't running the clock. They were like they should have because there was only a few minutes left right but they came out throwing it with like five wide. Another suspect decision by ballot. Check let little. Strange i'd say charlie weis but yeah okay and he throws brady throws what would have been the worst pick of ever seen brady throw hits guy directly in the hands a linebacker directly chess between the number three drops it with million yards of them real. And you're trying to. You're holding onto a four point lead with fucking two minutes. What the fuck are you doing. 'cause and the only reason it's a four point lead is because your defense held after your last toner turnover when they saw the eleven yard line. Yeah and they cut the check here and he looks most. Maybe the most ever seen bill. Checking on the sideline was this here. He's like shit about the eight manage. It felt a lot like the four. Two game yeah. Like you just can't give the ball back manning. Maybe maybe maybe this has something to do with that and want. Maybe this has something to do with what they do against the seahawks. you know. Yeah yeah we're instead of like okay. Let's try and like let him score. Whatever is like all right. Let's make a stop deal. You know like keep the pressure on these are like pretty high pressure. Line play calls Get down to it. Like oh yeah. Speaking of charlie weis. I thinking about this the other day kind of as i was watching this and like true. These few seasons forgot. How kind of exciting. I guess the play calling was like charlie weis us a call a shit ton of trick. Plays like all sorts of like gadgets and just like the movement all over the place. You never really knew what was happening so as to. How would you rank tom. Brady's offensive coordinator's you've got you got four. You've got charlie weis bill. O'brien josh mcdaniels byron left which was a hiring. Yeah yeah rose. I barely say that without. I love which is good. We think so offensive way. I thought fucking. What's his name. Was eric me. He's the chiefs offense coordinator. Okay with steve meyer enough. Which was the patriots. nope no. He's tom brady. Yeah he cares fucking. Yeah we've only three coordinators mcdaniels been there forever. I mean you have to say. Mcdonald's is the best partner with gregg. And then obviously waste in bothered the back. The i put. I put bill o'brien the bottom. Well just above byron left which is any offense coordinator that that's not really buying which is often. Let's be real. I think it isn't the fact that they run it directly up the middle on first down. It's just every single time of essences offense. Maybe it's calls by the ones people like brian. People like byron left. Which though. I'm not saying that coaching. But i'm this point breeze offense. Maybe he's a good coach. Andy to that ever cross your mind. Well yeah but then. I saw gay plans and quickly left my mind. What game plans week. Fucking xs and os guy. Would you watch the fuck in. I want you twenty tuesday. You want to his firing left. Which is a middle on first down to just to cover to fucking idiot. Brain bri with bullshit calls. Did you see that video. Mike jack waving the towel around acting up on the sidelines. The right of the time right when they kick it back and they get the ball back really the beaches just three times with my van. Jack you know playing cheerleader on the sideline could then. Oh yes you those huge fucking studs that he plays football club. He's dropped his shoulder pads office. Let's go yes but this is being a letter. This is where is where the rubber hits. The road So patriots thankfully. Don't avenues after nafta punt it but not a great punt again because you know this is can. Walter is my note. What do i have Is can't punt it out of his own half from the twenty eighteen yards. I know how this game ends on. I'm still living. Like i was like my blood pressure was writhing at this point. I knew they won this game. You gotta be fucking kidding eighteen yards at this fucking moment you can't you given Fucking peyton manning who scored three touchdowns in three drives the ball with two fifty. Seven laughed at the new england. Forty eight where this draft starring. You wanna start jay this easy. That's being that that quote from carol in the super bowl. You know what i'm talking about. Michael says russell wilson fifty yards. They'd never make this easy. I i love that quote. I mean it's there that they all time two minute drill as you make harder than that. I know but just the peak carroll. The optimists isn't it. This has got to be great as warns my heart to see his just completely shattered into to watch him fail. What is that positive. Yeah everybody knows that guy at work know. The one is just like come on guys. If we all pull together we can do this. It's like shopping holiday guys. This sucks dude. Hockey jeremy up makes even more mad. Just use look for the silver lining guys. The all the stuff will learn that guy in your life. How about that. Just say get it outside of work to. Yeah but steve. I mean it. I know in your heart of hearts. Your pessimist no way. I'm fucking optimistic freeze tattooed on by. Yeah sing it to us. That's a good thing some stab your granny. Music fucking rights evergreen music At home if you had to guess as john music they like pick it a explain yourself too lightly refer to as stab your granny music which is what one of my roommates called it. When when he likes what. I listen to still make my playlist. It's called step every time i put one too. Well put peyton manning is the guy in scream and the rest of the greenies in the house. Are the peaches defense. Now i hadn't fall out. He goes adrian five yards thirteen yards to be the two minute warning runs a drop light. Which great idea They never made ninety there other starting two minute warning. Second one from the patriots. Twenty one down to win the game all over again where it's like you go from trying to come back to like maybe we should burn more time. Yeah yes so. I love those coaching decisions. Those are tricky bob. I can get where you're like to do. We just take the score. Yeah or do we like you know. Try and burn some clock here. You can get that a lot. Yeah you take the score and then you fucking you squib kick hit so then fucking bethel johnson. Does a return breaks for another pick. That's what you do in this situation or or if you're fucking Tony dungy which What does he have to say about it for himself. I wonder a post game vote Dom my part. Thanks for ruining agree. Thanks great coach. Obviously a cut it to ask dumb on my part kicking the ball as dumb on my part so yeah he didn't he didn't just over the score but i think to exonerate him. Do this last this last little bit. This is all payments. We feel good his all the ball on the twenty one with from a now is his time in two minutes again. Twenty yards were pushed up at this point the way they've been playing the second half they've been zipping all field this kind of deal and drive right down to the one yard line so at marvin harrison edge of the mill for seven yards. One yard. run. Yeah so now. Now it's first and goal from the new england two yard line forty seconds left. You got four bags of this and They kind of. I mean manning had some excuses after the game which will get to but first and goal from noon to the colts. Run up quick. Snap run to the right and it gets stopped and then they line right back up. Quick snap runs straight up. The middle get stopped again then. They call time timeout. There in goal from the one still eighteen seconds left and at this point After the game manning was talking about. It was a fault of injuries injuries. The reason they didn't score here a call on the two quick rounds likely got him on the heels a little bit you on the one yard line. That's down there. He just run it real quick and see you get it in and it's what brady does. Yeah you you run to the line. And don't let the defense the defensive line get set up dug in and he your snapped the ball real quick and it did it twice in worked. Great fine doesn't work but The quote for manning. Africa name was. Sometimes we've done things like that in the past when we've just punched him before they the defenders have a chance to get set. Manning said we got down to the one and i called the timeout thinking. We're going over this island that we're going to go get into our goal on offense for over there. We didn't have a goal on offense because the whole team is hurt. We had no fullback and no tight end. That's what it came down to. We had no personnel options. We had to stay with our three wide offense due to injuries. Even as a call because it clark getting her fucking play call because he throw the fade to morehead the worse thing than throwing a slant with him in you deserve to lose. Yeah not a good. As i guess he was always receiver aachen season. And if you're going to throw that you do that on this. This quick downright you run first down europe leg again a snap and you get these guys go okay. Let's make sure we don't give up this quick run touchdown and then you fooled by throw if you call a timeout and then you come out with the fade. Like that doesn't work that way you know right. Yeah because their their prep for it like that. That defensive back out on on on that corner knows you know. It's just me and him. I can sit there and get ready for repair himself. A fate or whatever and morehead the rookie cleanses season with seven catches for one hundred one. Let's throw in the fade. Yeah why avocado nor had. That's my off time out right. Yes you were injured. And you give reggie have reggie wayne marvin harrison. Lawler's edgerrin james. You can get your. That's a great point steve. Let's kill his call throw a phase because he's a sixty three to one hundred pounds sell tall from the fake grade. You have said this earlier. About how dumb this call the nfl. Y- i hate now says so that i so on your boat. Because they're chanting their success is not that good the only time you ever see a success is when you throw it to rob gronkowski as he's just massively bigger acker receive ronald golombek yup but even then it always looks difficult would catch him. It'd be like wow this a tough catcher not always the circus catch. You're right yeah. I agree so it's fourth and one fourteen seconds left. Oh we didn't even mention the fact that Earlier on this drive. I think i don't remember exactly when it was but willie mcginest goes down. Hurt this really makes us. air quotes. Hurt does the run. Yeah was he well. He said he had cramps. And bella checks that. He had an april a new issue on the same page on that one stood fucking matter so but he recovered in time. Because this was not part of these four places. I think it was. It was early in the drive. It might have been right before they call the time i tried you. Those first two quick runs. I don't know if he was in there wasn't no because i wrote down. Yeah they match. Chatham was in there instead and so i think the first play. They ran at matt. Chatham and bruschi at the tackle bruschi both towns. He did on the first and second down. Play low key. Mvp briskly we saw james changed that rule. Hightower like blazer. Those tackles the quarterback and runs an even many said in his postgame. We've found a lot of success that he's playing is our in class runs back to back. Plays right yeah. And i liked it. The the comedy talking about how tedy bruschi was the first small linebacker to have success in the nfl. Yeah a small tedy bruschi now right. That bruschi was six one to forty seven. So he's not tall. A layer that value be. I mean to forty seven. That's not lighted jelly. Our six two six three and a half now wait. Yeah so. I mean i guess he was kind of like small compared to the linebackers before that you know the willie mcginest if you will these big fucking ted johnson's of league the fucking massive should stoppers. We have four then won. Fourteen seconds left and the colts aside. Edgar james let the middle. That's the call to make and mcguinness had I don't know if i wrote a quote dan. I grabbed it talking about the like how he played that play. Where basically is like. I know i'm coming in. I'm just like i'm selling out on the run. But i don't want to know that so. He turned and turned outside to the wide receivers. He was going to him before he came and then turned back and manningly just assumed he was going to be in coverage. And so when william mcginnis came back ee saw that manning had his butter some sort of like signal to not to say that he was running the ball. And so that's what keyed off. Willie mcginest screaming off the edge at caught edgar james. What two three yards in the backfield didn't even make it to the pile before you touched. Oh yeah completely. Untouched feels like it was a breakdown in blocking it wasn't good but i don't know enough about football that's true. I watched the twenty two greg hitting a parent. I didn't shifts are protection after the can mollison so if you look closely the tighter on that side crashes down as in three technique as you can see here that i've circled. I mean he's not he's he's actually standing up in what looks like he's going to be in coverage but literally just like screaming off the edge untouched and i mean he's uncovered on that side. There's no like tight end over there anyway. So yeah it was just like the perfect play call perfect execution on defense hands and big or acceleration iconic celebration high stepping. Just can't really see it because he's on his knees as liz running by him with the singer up and you think about the main face on him right there. S just and again. This is the second point in this game. Where if you're a fan of pages fantasy game you are just ecstatic the shift of emotions. You're like i can't believe we're gonna lose this game to really you want to do the same thing that willie mcginest is doing talking. Just vise stephanie energy that you just want him you know. I love that feeling. Feel so good where you're like. I just wanna move excited so good. Let's see anything else about this game. That stuck out to you boys we wanna do best worst i can give stats i if you wanna do that. Sure i have some notes on marvin harrison. Let me give you let me do a save that for another day but let me do the nerd section here Pay maine's last three home games vs new england. He hasn't done very well in new england but at home against the patriots coming into the game. in three games. Seven hundred eighty nine yards six touchdowns no interceptions and a rating of one twenty. One point nine is pretty good. That's fucking ridiculous. He's fucking don't merchant but still he's the best at it One of my favorite often stats. They showed was the colt offense. Their ranks in o-3. They were ranked first in passing twenty than rushing and second overall during the bowie of passer. But james still ran for twelve hundred yards even like that didn't matter let's see. What is this when peyton manning at home with nfl ranks on the season. I and completion percentage second in yards per attempt. I in yards per game. Second in Qb ratings like just an absolute animal at home. Oh and then they did the. I've been enjoying these just looking back at them. The the the polls that they put up and this one was was against the the cowboys it was who was the coach of the year. This year and bill parcells was first and ballot. Check was fifth nailed that one This was which of these. Afc teams will be playing in super bowl thirties. Five six seven eight thirty eight indianapolis kansas city. Miami new england tennessee. I think all those teams make the playoffs so not like a huge fucking deal but at least they at least. They had a team on their time. Cincinnati was still done that because they've been cracked for a while right. Yeah and i believe. Cincinnati the week before had just beaten kansas city for their first loss of the season. So i think since is like six sections and like right middle of the road but they had beaten kansas city. Like seven corey failing. Yeah well we'll hear about him later. We sure well Yeah so that's those are my main stats do you guys wanna do best and worst. Mike fanjak thirty seven. Thirty seven is here on field goal. Attempts go we'll get back to him. They would just shit on the whole fucking. Podcasts had a perfect season kicking the ball. How do shackling kicked his primary job. I think it's primary jobs kicking field goals. Well according to him pretty good at it. You know maybe i have a real best. Recording is right now. But we've got this entire fucking time with an eighty mentioning the commentators There were good one thing positive or negative about the timing theaters that means day. Where like stupendous there. Probably the most quality carbonated game we watched in. I have a nice quilt. I we have the same one. Do you wanna say do was about beth. Johnson returning kicks. Yup and this is why i think there's three big return because he says something about slap me in a face with a skunk three times i wrote a verbatim because it was so good quote. If you slap me in the face with a skunk three times i'll figure out what it is tilson. Santa brigada big returns in this game. It's about knocking into battle johnson. Yes which i figure out this game got so exciting phil simms literally fell out of his chair at one point is he did like filler. You are right. Greg overlook philly all right. He's like yeah. This guy is really exciting. Mijas falling chair you. He's like a great gal. Just going to gloss over that but it's so exciting. I fill out of my chair. Yes this is the nbc's eighteen for sure. I i like the brady quilt. When dietrich ward skirt touchdown they said yeah. Tom brady talked to his last night. And he said what a neat guy for us to pick up a need fucking guber phases productive career. Think yeah and now some grace shit faced on a bolt throwing the lombardi trophy one boat. Far he's matured. I feel like you kind of peace. Now he's on his way back down again he's going to be like a super goober. It of dante huddling offensive line radios listening so once. He was removed from his life. Then maybe yeah maybe. To scare nekia was the. The reason is the calming force. Get another plus as well cut. I believe it was your gene walson. Who committed a pass. Interference penalty may be but if he had scored a touchdown to put the colts on the one or whatever was like third quarter so and just gone and he doesn't commit that pass interference sentence of easy. Td cut coal sky to stand being like yeah. We're number one is the biggest indianapolis hubert all that house going to save that but I was gonna be my best. But i will this because Was this guy the turtleneck jersey nash. The short short-sleeved turtleneck obviously jersey. I had to capture the ads of pause it and go back and capture this because this is like this is what i picture an indianapolis colts fan look like need to be from indianapolis is here. Pitra get just like yeah. He'll he'll that's how we know you don't get out of the state much andy disagree more. I don't care many okay. Money congrats was it than i haven't in. Let's go worse to par in the ads. And the what we what we got to see. The extras took a lot longer. Because there's no commercials cut out telling them we're good. There has one about jared as a judge. Like john. Jared from was in some legal case which i thought was ill will awkward for sure. It was a better one though. Right here we go. Member wind budweiser commercials. Were actually funny. Leon your reactions following today's devastating loss. Football the things so That'll put the lost weight on his shoulders. The most important cast and carrying these guys a whole season. But i can't do it all a niece mail so you're four. Fumbles were in a factor in your mind. Not one of those other guys jumped on the ball again. Young can't do everything. There's no i in team lino. We either ironic. Many into exactly peyton manning and my grand jackson this when i for illegal one actually price still today and then the diamond saint fucking thing to yes all the car commercials. Exactly the same trucks shuttles. When are we getting wide screen. A yeah it's got to become whenever that we got the first down line. I think this year. Yeah yeah. I think we saw it for like prime time games last year. But it's like official now for all the games this year in every game. And that's made a huge difference in wide-screen is gonna make a huge difference to merit greg. Your best and worse. Can you go i. i don't have anything. Okay in washington just for memory been bullshit entire time. Let's see there's a good bill. Belic check quote. They came out with Talking to his team before the game because they were getting a little Mighty because they were nine two. We said to his team. You want to be compared to that. Two thousand one super bowl team. How many games. They went after thanksgiving nine. How many of you. One zero fucking typical bell jack rain on their parade fucking nine into An at halftime. Apparently his quote was this game will come down to who can protect the best at the end. Which that's exactly what happened. let's see. Who else was good in this. Tom brady start off hot as hell. He was eleven for eleven before he finally missing the second quarter Ken walter talked about garbage. Tony dungy's don which talked about Payton man this is the first fumble in the first quarter that he lost over year. Which i thought was fucking ridiculous. And i think my worse was remembering about the colts peyton manning no huddle offense where the user just like not huddle but manning which is like call audibles all the time at the line of scrimmage for like thirty seconds and they put that in madden and it was the fuck and worst because they've run no huddle the entire time but then they would sit there and just like drain the clock down with peyton. Manning's going audible audible audible audible then vegetable omaha. Omaha is constantly. Yeah it was brutal. The plates games like so long. And i've thought before of said it yet but marvin harrison looks like somebody put the head of a fifty year old dude on the body of a football player like he's looked fifty years old like his entire career. Early i of the mustache or facial features. He didn't aid you right. Yeah nobody he always say me. Just fifty yeah. He never got any older. I doubt that. I'd bet he probably still looks like that. Yeah i in. Two thousand three was like twenty five eighty but he just looks it. Looks like a fifty. It looks like somebody's dad. All the time they say stone cold killer. Well i mean. He did have twelve hundred yards ten touchdowns and zero witnesses this year. Fatal now greg real real teased at for later episode. All right but i i have a. I looked into the marvin harrison shooting incident. Who all right. We'll do a deep dive next. I have thoughts does not edge. Well you know. I mean it depends if he's guilty or not. Well we'll see we'll get into the nitty gritty next time. There's my my best is from that. to that. was to their touchdown manny to harrison. That was there sixty six. Td paths from managed to harrison a lot. Except when you think about where they finished at the number one combo. Nfl history one hundred. Fourteen times tanning through touchdown saharan although parading gronk. It'd be catching that. They were at ninety nine at the time of this writing. Hooker february seven twenty twenty one. So oh yeah three days ago so yeah because at that includes the tijuana gases super now embarrassed three ot team forty niners montana and close steve j. jerry rice stugz ninety two to is philip rivers to tonio gates ninety. Damn that's a lot. Dan marino to mark clayton late eighty to ben rothlisberger to mr big chess. The out even play that long together. Did they pay into reggie wearing seventy six police shootings on their twice. Yeah the colston which is pretty interesting. Colston don't really think of call sinners again household name. No and then. The next one is not top ten. Let's the thing like brady has had so many touch on so many different receivers that sorta rob by that. Gonzales had just feels like the intoning gates same idea. Yeah your quarterback though. Fill rivers larry fitzgerald. She has shit on touchdowns. I don't know if you have ten from one quarterback at this point. Did you have a worse greg. Well days where there wasn't one. There wasn't one just tom brady has now been you. You guys want to briefly talk about the super bowl that just passed. I think we could probably to an episode on that steve on tom brady winning a super bowl. Not on the patriots is certainly not an emergency. No i think maybe a it could be like a after we finish this season. We talk about the paid brady winning and super bowl with the patriots in two thousand and three and then do an episode of twenty twenty. Tom brady as will novel subject myself to rewatching all that. I didn't watch any of the parade. Did you watch did were you happy that. The patriots won the super bowl. Steve the patriots. Yes houser overrated fisher. Speaking of other podcasts related things though. We're recording this on february eleventh. Twenty twenty one That is exactly one year from when we launched this podcast. So congratulations a full year. Yes the fuck. Do we make a cake. You didn't get your cake. I've been telling you themed podcast. Birthday cakes come on terrible. You know what makes great audio. Listen to three. Do's eat fucking cake bed dinner every through these fucking things. Well you know guys gotta live. And he. What am i gonna malnutritioned fucking pike s. I don't think anybody's gonna consider. I tell you what action soup taty quietly policy is but you know. It's just one of those foods. So since i love numbers i'll give you some for since we launched this we have had five thousand eight hundred eighty six download the guest. That's the same amount of men that have touched your penis right. Andy also true. that's yeah. This is annual to. This is over here. Yeah yeah so the numbers trang. A let's see do we have. I don't know how to use this or that. We hope boy. We have done a lot of episodes guests the guests. Why don't we fifty two. You're i know done. Fifty is no more than a week. That's well we when we launched. We launched a three hour and will be prerecorded a bunch. So i think we have actually done one every week except for last week in them over this past christmas so we have actually released. Fifty five episodes will be fifty six right now. Fifty fifty six in in four months surprising. They don't expect that forever. Because no doubt y'all it's going to end some point. I mean this is very covert specific. I think the rate at which ray owing well. I'm excited to finish this season to. This is gonna be aweso into this whole thing. Yeah it's going to be great the oh okay here. We go downloads per episode the most popular episode off. It trust this week. One two thousand one best friend the worst outside so yeah let's see Outside of the first one to three week. Four is not popular Week one two three and five of the first season and then it's Tom brady emergency episode hundred and forty nine dollars. Yeah and then the start of two thousand two The emerged episode of when we picked up cam. Newton hundred thirty two So young and naive and then a lot of the two thousand one playoffs are on. Here is the lions team right. This is my favorite patients at lyons hundred and twenty-five downloads. Twenty two week. Thirteen right so not bad. Yeah most of these are getting over. One hundred listens at this point. We did see a bit of a drop. It seems When the season started right around actually kind of when people realize maybe the patriots weren't doing great round robot around november things. Kind of drop off a bit. We're fair weather events science down there. Yeah no i think all fair weather fans will make a podcast about Watching gains from twenty years ago. What are you guys going to do in the offseason. There's no football. He has got any hobbies. Or you know planned activities or intro bro. You're you're you're part of my hobby right now okay. This is it though. They made Gambling legal in virginia so Santa more gamma. Wnba put down on the nascar ship. The other day aches as you do one hundred fifty bet. It was fifty bucks for dan. Hanlin complete one lap of the daytona five hundred. Plus one hundred ditty happened yet. One iraq find out next week. Steve lost fifty bucks. Any handling didn't actually fuck participated in this race. But steve didn't know because he also giving away money. It's speaking of next week. What is next week. will you want to work. What else you got going on here. Andy let's let's get a peek inside what elsewhere on what i was doing for hobbies well I know you always got a project going on. We got some projects there is. I wasn't badge renouncing now. But i guess i will going to be a revamp of the patriots dynasty website. So that's something non football related. Andy novel borrow it. I i don't doing the right now. Go hiking who fucking cold right now so. I don't do that either. Bob boots snowshoes. You could try snowshoeing. i have mom. Mom's getting snow shoes. She said yes. We get a bit more snow. Michael skiing Zone you got any projects around the house going. No no product around the house norman. Now what about yourself. You got the house. If you need some advice. Just let me know with your all those months of experience you have come to you. Built a swing bed for the My porch and no idea how. I'm gonna put it up No it's just sitting in my living room where you keeping that because it's speaking of. Yeah it's a twin size bed at the bed frame that you think you're going to hang from the roof of your porch. Yeah yeah and falls it falls. Whatever and also other hobby sparkle dot com. Sparkle is like a trivia quiz website. It's actually good for our our listeners. It's there's one on there. Can you name every. Play this guy touchdown from brady. That was fun to do. I've been doing a named every country in the world. The other day i'm working my way through capitals are much more difficult. I would imagine right now my number one country and capitalists djibouti djibouti. Point there jab birdie on let me see. Shake your djibouti also. I've made a habit of singing around. The house like antigua. Bobby i just do that but african countries instead. You uganda rwanda maybe watch. Kelly hates that. So i guess a project for all of us is annoying significant others. We're working on perfecting that we're year into this like not just as podcast but it because because started this is about the same time. Yeah it's it's like a math that of survival. I remember going on tape in predicting would end. Okay let's do this now then again for posterity. Yeah okay. so let's say when i got. When will you next go to a patriots size group of fans so go to professional sporting event concert Look to ten thousand people. You know that your gas ground the test back you know. That's what i've been saying to. That's when i know it's over so september may you could go to a baseball game this summer right. Yeah but like. When will you back but well will. That have a so. We talk about pro. Sports allow capacity fans. Yeah okay that's what i'm saying. I think they'll you can go to a baseball game. But i don't think it'll be at capacity this summer right but i think there's so much money in the nfl that it will be september at the latest. I think you'll have full fans by september. Steve i'm gonna go one year from today sicko saco you're right. He's probably right. Andy i know you know okay endeavor. I'm just following the cdc recommended guidelines. But this is what we're doing vouching forever until twenty twenty two. I'm i'm optimistic of anything. Yeah ain't grant the other the other piece of information is we know that cove is not real so really. It's how how much is the willing to push us until they break us. When will the sheep yeah. We don't need that. What are we info. Wars goddamn band is called me. Any d- platform day greg. Yeah see i. I like i like both of your cause of like i think the nfl. It's more likely to start a season to go right into it. Then to transition halfway through a year right like baseball is not going to be like halfway through all right now. We're doing full. nfl makes sense. I think maybe nba's not gonna do it because they're always this office for both hockey thing. Everyone was that. When does that start them. Cover november end of the year november. I'm saying november. Right down the boston bruins of them. You're november. I am actually where when will Biden be out of office. Because that's my now this is. This is all a biden conspiracy greg soulmate. So four years chater dies in office the storm the cap stages a cool remains an office. We're gonna get removed for my. How is he going to be a coup or is it going to be a coup d'etat. No kudos to me is only for certain. It has to be a coup in a specific region of france. Otherwise it's just a coop. Not you like champagne. Yeah you can only call champagne other countries. Nope it's worked. Great come on. I'm pretty sure khuda ta is like a military one is increased. Yeah i'm pretty. I'm pretty sure my explanation was joke that you missed why. 'cause it's a french word. Yes bureau saw. That's all the french. Handle champagne can only be called champagne other it has to be called sparkling wine or whatever the fuck it all right next week. Whoever comes to the podcast with the best focal score on brady's touchdowns you've already taken it you and you're gonna come with zero 'cause okay okay shit. Can you name super bowl winners in a row. Starting in which way. Let's start with two thousand one. Yeah i will save this for next week. Okay this is gone. You could do it though from two thousand one onwards yes. Yeah i think you should go. Twenty twenty backwards. You can go back. Yeah but we'll do that next week but then you're going to study and you're gonna know it non. There's time for that. If anybody says you greg worried why did study. But i did watch every other super bowl going backwards from thousand exactly Little tired game. I was like who. Who did the steelers be in big bands. I did. I had no idea. Yeah antwan randle. El scored a touchdown. From east touchdown touchdown russia touchdown to hines ward rabies zillow around. I don't remember you're right okay. Next week though on the podcast to fourteen trivia week yes trivia week. Do you want to put together some trade. If you guys yeah and here. They just sparkle anyways. Let's let's do this. Here's a trivia question for you just to warm you up a week. Next week is thousand three week. Fourteen A tuesday wednesday thursday are getting hotter or colder the game next week in two thousand three weeks. Fourteen is the polar opposite if you will then follow on ice cap game. I know a game. It is capita bruschi and smell only back. We miami dolphins coming to town to visit the the now ten and two new england patriots killing. It still have a loss see. I'm telling you makes my brain better. Those shoutouts dot com. Can we do ads for sparkle. Dr are so let me ask him a question but yes all right. So next week. patriots versus dolphins in the snow. We all remember this game to another game with a name game. That's i like that too. If you have any shrill we we should. we should highlight games with names on the podcast listings. Okay so if people want to walk get the fuck fuck nerve. Hi hyandi if you have. Any marketing tips or sparkle suggestions. Or or if you just want to tell one or all of us to shut the fuck up you can text. The dies hotline. Anybody remember pop quiz number five. Five five is indiana jones. Air normal the real six. Oh three five five five five oh five zero four three for greg brambles five five five five. Let's see if i can remember this for next week. Six oh three five oh five. Yeah what's next for. Come on eight. Oh for three rd eight. Oh troy brown signal at bassett. He definitely do that to a corner. Three share i needed pneumonic device. I just gave you one for the five. Oh five though. Sos save our season. Save our seas november's round been worked on this for weeks. We longtime six zero three five five zero four three shooters text. Find a good test scores. And you can you name. The patriots statistical leaders of the two thousand. Ten's no yes yards took ten each category. This is gonna be awesome figured out the next three days of my life until next week we will see lloyd sachs could be anyway lady fuck canadian.

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The NFC Draft Recap: From Packers Madness to Jalen Hurts and More | Monday Morning Podcast

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The NFC Draft Recap: From Packers Madness to Jalen Hurts and More | Monday Morning Podcast

"Hello and welcome to the M. qb Monday morning NFL. Podcast Tuesday edition because this is the final member of our power trio of NFL draft. Recap shows I'm your host Gary gramling. I'm joined by the specialist guests I could think of and that is and even You go if you go back on your feet you get the AFC rundown all sixteen teams in the AFC down the draft glasses. This is going to be. Nfc Right now NFC and the way we're going to do this. Andy if you remember as we said yesterday we always feel bad for the divisions the West. Because they're they're always last in these kinds of shows that we were going to reverse it bring FC West than NFC south than Anisi north than NFC east. Those guys in the East can can wait for once and within each division. We are doing alphabetical so If you WANNA skip around the show you can pretty much followed that map and just succeed in life but Andy Are you. Are you ready to go here? Do we have any? Ah Chitchat to do at the top. No I assume we're doing this order because the power is at the top got out reached out to you and said we gotta get more Arizona. Cardinals leads on our shows right now. Yeah I mean that's that's that's where it's at I don't know I don't WanNa bust on the carnal. They're an interesting team. I guess they've been really good in the past and nobody. Nobody cared that much but They're an interesting team with cliff. And cuyler and Deandre Hopkins now and there's no better team the better team for sure and I think there will probably I don't know if I'd be among but I think there will be people this year. That forecast them to finish ahead of the rams in the NFC west probably. They finished third the random before I would not be among them. That's the the the the view is the cartels are team certainly training in the right direction. I have some random takes when we got there. But let's let's talk about the cardinals. I and their drive a class here. Isaiah Simmons at the top of it and look the question was still persisting into the third and fourth week of April here Isaiah Simmons Safety or linebacker and when I guess now that he has a home and you look at the rest of this defense You know you got Buddha Baker. You Got A. It'd be Jalen or Thompson at the other safety spot What are they GONNA do with? Haas us on rettig. Where does Simmons If he's fifty fifty whereas Simmons best fit in in this defense I think the question you just asked where is easy linebackers safety. That's the question you want your opponent asking when they take the field lineup on any given snap. I think that's what this system needs to be position player. If you WANNA call him that what this system has been in the last couple years. It's it's honestly had trouble identifying. Exactly what their identity is. I've watched all their snaps. I don't know what their identity is do. A lot of zone coverage though play matchup elements within the zone. They're one of the few teams at travel. Their corners in zone so a corner is GonNa follow a receiver even if that takes him out of his own positioning. It's it needs to be adjusted because if you're going to draft Simmons where they draft if you're gonNA take Isaiah Simas have him on your team and you have Buddha Baker already. There who's very versatile boo Boo Baker of me is in the Tyrone Matthew Class. Then you need to be playing to those skills and those talents and building. The system around being an attack oriented defense. Because you don't want Simmons just being reading react linebacker that's I don't think that's a strength and I don't. I don't even know what that would be a strength for him. I think he's better as a space player. Who's in an attack mindset? Yeah I was kind of confused in the lead up and look people were saying these things. I I presume are smarter than me because they they work for teams and whatnot. But there's a lot of You know well. Some teams are down on Simmons because they wanted to find role for him and they don't know what is defined role is and it's like. I don't know it's kind of Nice. Do you have a guy who doesn't need defined role and can do a lot of things. Well dime defense is becoming more popular in league right now and I could see Simmons being a dime safety for somebody that would not be his only role. You'RE NOT GONNA play thirty snaps game. He's going to you. Want him on the field for all sixty five seventy snaps. So when you're dying that's your third down in situations that's a lot of your two minutes situations you could argue. That's where the Games decided in today's NFL critical snaps. I could see him being a linebacker in those scenarios. Taylor wrap does that for the rams. He is their dime linebacker. Strong safety to me and I. I have not watched Simmons enough ought to make comparisons but to me his role his style. A player for what he'd be in this scheme would be similar to a Taylor. Wrap probably more dynamic electrifying Taylor rap. Okay cardinals didn't have a second round pick and then they They get Josh Jones. The Houston tackle in the third presumably becomes the heir apparent to Marcus Gilbert. They're on the right side A lot of people thought he might go first round A bit of a developmental guy. I know a lot of people like the fact that he had some I I think it was. He didn't give up a sack or something. But I always tell people it's the The AMERICAN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. He plays and he probably shouldn't be giving up a lot of sacks if he's an NFL caliber player. I will say another. Act My my university of Connecticut. Huskies were well represented at this draft because basically any prospect who played uconn this year when they showed their highlights they definitely showed a number of well and one other thing about the whole. Give up a sack not give up a sack number thing. A lot of SAX created not by the guy who gets be not like. If I'm blocking the defensive end that doesn't necessarily mean the defensive end beat me someone else beat someone else in the protection it breaks down the way they credit who gets a sack and gives up the SAC. That is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of the time so I I wouldn't put any stock in any kind of stat especially coming out of college where the competition is. You're alluding to it's so different from one game to the next and one conference to the next. Well let's let's move onto the rams and before we get into the draft class. I just want to ask you real quick. I thought the rams were. There's a narrative about their season because you're defending NFC champs and then you miss the playoffs. I keep trying to point out to people that if Greg Line makes a forty three yarder on Thursday night in Seattle the rams are in the playoffs and obviously if you had the expanded playoffs the Rancho have been in the postseason last year. I don't think last year was as bad as season as as people think I realized people are are sort of down on golf but they were I mean they average about three points per game December December Games. It looked. It looked like they were starting to get a little bit. I mean they looked really good at San Francisco on a Saturday night in week. Sixteen is the offensive line. Getting right because obviously I mean th th. They took a Clemson guard in the seventh round here but they did not address you off into line. At all of this off season is retaining Andrew Whitworth correct. They did not. They have reason to feel good about their offensive line. It did I think I improved a little bit over the course of last season not enough of course in the offense never really did completely get on track. It was it was close there at the end with San Francisco. They were playing very well down. The stretch in some is the rams had some ugly losses on national TV. The Ravens embarrassed on Monday night. Football the cowboys really blew their doors off on a Sunday afternoon game Even the bears victory that the rams had it was not a ram style. Game that was a draw str- slugfest draw out the victory. Slowlyk your win out there so the offense was never as rhythmic last year as it's been the previous Couple Years Under this coaching staff further offensive. Line Whitworth you feel good about him and left tackle. Still Austin Corbett was. I believe the thirty third overall pick in the draft a few years ago. Not every team saw him that way but enough would that you know somebody took him thirty third overall so there's some talent there and I don't think he was bad for them once he got into the lineup. Brian Allen at Center Austin Blight the guard your decent enough there and then Bobby Evans a Rob Havens Dino right tackle Gary if I said to you okay. The old line needs to be better. Which are you replacing? What's your answer to that question? Yeah I don't know if there is an answer at this point I thought they really steadied it. Nicely late last season I would agree with that and it'll be interesting. What happens with those guys at the new? The rookies who play Lesser David Edwards. At Right Guard does he get a look for maybe a starting job this year. Bobby Evans at Right Tackle Evans played pretty well in some scenarios. Now what's interesting is they had some different schemes with those guys in eating. They didn't run just purely the outside zone designs that we know from the rams there were some more north and south blocks inside zone where instead of stretching to the left or right you're going up the field and you're just double teaming running behind the double teams so a little bit of a different game and that's what the rams had to do to adjust their ground game they just weren't the same rushing attack overall. I think there's reason for optimism though with this offense viner's price something to be said for continuity as well having these guys play together well so they They go offensive skill position. Where two second round picks cam acres the Florida state running back who I would think. When I'm looking in their two running backs acres and and Darryl Henderson's the other young guys assume they haven't given up on him in any way shape or form I would think acres is kind of your insides zone. Power type guy and then Henderson is kind of your outside zone slashing type of Dude Which you know stylistically. That obviously is nice to have those two backs I I just I. I guess I was caught off guard that they would you know. Go with the running back in with their first pickier when they when I saw they took it was acres. And I'm going off what I've heard from people within the NFL on acres versus. What I've seen myself but from people I respect and what? I've heard kind of a gliding mature. Nuanced runner is what he was known as coming out. And then one of those guys were the more you watched the more. You appreciated him to me. Gary that suggest I think he will fit well and they're outside zone scheme. I understand the idea of Henderson. Yeah one cutting might take it to the house. And that's certainly something to be said for that and that's what. They drafted Henderson last year. In the third round I think acres will fit what they're trying to do them remember even if acres inside zone type of runner. They're not going to do that on first down because their whole play action game comes off that outside zone stuff so they're going to want to keep doing that because otherwise they lose their passing game so the game where the bears were. They were really running a lot of insight zone. They didn't throw the ball and all of that night they didn't have the wet. Robert Woods is out for that game so if they want to be who they are. That's going to be outside zone. And I'm sure they feel that acres can be the guy for that and and then they go van. Jefferson the receiver. Obviously they they lost Brandin Cooks Brandon It was sort of You know he's down last year. Add some cussin' concussion issues. But they take an very rudely I might add. They take van. Jefferson two picks before Dan Jefferson's father's team was on the clock. The jets Shawn Jefferson is there. I didn't know that was his son. Yes they snagged them. Fifty-seven jets were picking fifty nine ended up with Denzel mims which which they're fine with but again it's it should be like literally rules you automatically go to the team that you're Van Jefferson is. I look at this receiving Cornell Robber Woods Recap Band Jefferson Josh Reynolds and yeah I mean all yo precise route runners. I think the you like them all but I there's no really explosive element among those four. So I guess you're going to have to generate that. Those explosive plays yes. You will never be one. Concern is yeah. Who takes the top off the defense because when they go there play action game? A lot of it is flood concepts flood three level stretch. Three receivers on one side of the field. One is deep ones intermediate. That's the guy that's usually running the crossing route and then one is shallow and underneath and actually the rams will put a four th guy over there late in the down a lot of times. That's the foundation that Niner's game where they were killing San Francisco. They did that. Probably Twenty five times in. That game is incredible. They just did it. Snap after snap. Who's the guy that's going deep now because it used to be brandin cooks? They don't have anyone with that kind of speed. Now on the on the flip side though. Brandin cooks was struggling a lot against press coverage at times so when he was not afforded a bunch of help from the scheme the designs. When it wasn't play action he could be taken out of some games which is part of the reason he was available for trade so I would assume they feel. Jefferson will be better in that regard out. But it's you give up something. If if this guy could run the way cooks runs and still be as big as he is not get pressed he'd be Julio Jones and then we're not talking about it was the second round pick up and then the rest of the day to hear they had two of their picks Terrell Lewis the Alabama edge who You know injury prone guy would have gone higher. Had it not been? For some durability concerns you presumably you pendulum into sort of Dante Fowler rule and then a Tyrrell Burgess the Utah Safety who converted. Cornerback I don't know if he's quite rangy athletic enough to be a single high type guy but he did a lot of different things in in. Utah's defense and data pretty advanced Approach there and I assume he can help early. I would imagine they'll have them be the single high because if it's not him who who is it then it's not rap because we know he's a linebacker guy. Aaron Donald Good at that to jump in John Johnson's at his best as box guy down there Johnson could probably play. Single high is good all around player. But I would imagine burgess is here for his ability to play center field. I know the rams staff likes Marcus Williams who they liked him as a rookie. When he was with the saint he still in New Orleans but Williams came out of. Utah's well it doesn't mean that Burgess will be Williams but I would be surprised if burgess is not the single high guy but I don't know a lot about them I again. I don't study these guys they get to the NFL okay. Let's and I should mention real quick. Just because I just saw this factoid. The Rams did take a tight end. Bryson Hopkins of Purdue and round four Did you know Tyler Higby in the month? December last five games of the season Tyler. He led the NFL receiving yards. I would not have gone that far. I knew he was very productive. I didn't know that he was that productive. Yeah he had A. I had the number up. I lost it. I I believe that it is If I remember five hundred twenty two yards over those last five games and he played. It wasn't just that always catching the past. Now he was a he was more athletic. He'd looked more abiotic down the stretch and one thing. I've been watching rams film quite a bit. Actually lately Gary is he is very good higby at releasing inside and creating space for himself off the snap. He's become a highlight. He has become a high level route runner. Let's go to the San Francisco. Forty niners They picked up that thirteenth. Pick For Deforest buckner and they ended up trading down one spot with the Bucks Antique Giovane Kim Law South Carolina. We talked a little bit about it. A lot of people say like Oh they trade buckner for Kim Law and they did but you know the treaty Buckner at twenty million dollars for kin law at a much less than that and that's kind of how life goes at this point. It has to because they had to resign. Eric Armstead and then Brandon Iowa who we talked about as I said he is Probably a better version of Jerry rice adding to the offense. I love rain and he's absolutely perfect there. I did I sit on the Friday. Show if if you miss I I think he's a slightly more dynamic version of deebo Samuel Really like my attention. Because I think you'll Samuel is a man I do too. I agree with that but the you know they made three day three picks. We're not GONNA dive too deep into those guys. But obviously they added Trent Williams. Joe Staley announces his retirement. They go out and get Williams. Obviously we haven't seen Williams in a in a while now but you would think that this is a this is a pretty good trade offer them. And we'll see how Trenton Williams ages into his thirties here but at least in the short term they've solidified that spot and when we last saw Trent Williams he was the most outstanding. I'd save an explosive blocker out in space on their perimeter probably in the NFL. He is really good in the screen game. He's really good at what they call running the alley getting down kind of by the painted numbers and clearing out space there. And when you consider all the misdirection that they do all the stretch zone all end arounds to Samuel and some of the screens that they'll throw in San Francisco having a guy like Trent Williams. That can do that to get to the perimeter. You could almost argue. That guy's a weapon now. I mean that's that's I think he'll fit really well for what they do in Shanahan and obviously knows very well because there's The Washington background over all their that was a really good trade and a good commentary on the niners organization. That Joe Staley went along with this and didn't break the news to anybody till after the trade which I don't know if that's how it went but reading the tea leaves. That's probably how it went. Staley did right by the organization on that and you know he would probably only do that if the organization had been doing right by him for a long time. Yeah and I should mention respected private citizen. Peter King in his Monday column he was embedded with the box and we talked a little bit on Friday. The bucks up one spot you know was someone else bidding for that forty niners pick. And that's why they had to pay for that sort of thing Jason told Peter that he had heard rumblings Joe Staley was retiring so they thought the forty niners might be in the running for a Tristan wharfs. Who was the last sort of Of the big four tackles on the board in this race. And that's why the bucks felt even more urgency to jump up to thirteen so we wondered about that. What did they say to the bucks on the phone that made them make that trade? Because the niners to us. We didn't know that Joe. Staley thing it didn't look and John Lynch actually said the opposite. Joe Staley will be back here. That was a smokescreen so we were wondering how that conversation happened. I I don't know who told Jason like that. I would guess to be an agent if I had to guess. But that's that's total guesswork. And that's that's where a lot of the information comes from the Seattle seahawks so the seahawks they take Jordan Brooks the Texas Tech linebacker and Dernley up to the draft we earn more and more teams really like Jordan Brooks I know obviously add Bobby Wagner cage a right Those guys are getting up there and Brooks at the very least becomes an option for the future but I mean they they play a lot of three LINEBACKERS SEATTLE. They do and so. I'm wondering if it's one of two things why. Why are you taking brooks because remember last year they drafted Cody Barton in the third round? Pete Carroll said Cody Barton's our best coverage linebacker already or at least they feel he can become bad Okay yeah no I know I hear you but let's get the here's the point here is we can agree on this. They feel good about its coverage skills. Yes he's not. As good as right I would imagine in Wagner who are the low overrated and coverage. But he's a very excellent player in hall of Fame Guy. So Cody Barton's in the mix. He's going to play for them so now they've got four linebackers that they're planning to play in the next couple of years is Brooks here because keys replacing K J right which is quite possible writes in a contract year. I believe is he replacing Bobby Wagner as well since Barton's here to theoretically replace right is that are we seeing a total change of the guard over the next two years or are the seahawks going to stay committed to this four? Three approaches keeping three linebackers on the field. Not playing with Slot Nickel Corner. Is that going to become the standard for them? Because they really did not address that position in free agency at all this year I think the best slot guy on on the field for they were probably quandary digs. And that's not how they use them. He's a free safety so I wonder if they're going to stick with US four three thing. Yeah it's a I was again. We talked a lot how there was sort of a lack of edge rushers. And they did take Daryl Taylor in the second round. I thought he was very good at Tennessee. Really an edge burner So maybe they address it there. Maybe they didn't like anyone at the end of the first round. Of course they trade out of the first round every year. So if you didn't like anyone figure that's what they would have ended up doing but They do add Daryl Taylor in round two. That's kind of all they've done is David Clowney GonNa be back. That might be function of. Is anyone else going to take the risk on? Cloudy when when your doctors can't sort of put your hands on them. Maybe that changes this summer but Look I I I don't want you further enrage seahawks fans because I said this all last season. This defense got a lot of takeaways. Those takeaways were. I mean they had a lot of fumble recoveries. I it just and it's not a front for you would've looked at and said like well. There's really disrupted. I can see why they were getting so many strip sacks and fumble recovery. I think they were just sort of. Yeah big got him in clusters when maybe they shouldn't have been coming closer so again. This is a team. They finished plus eighteen point differential. They had a lot of opponents. Missed field goals over the course of the year. I was hoping they'd be a little bit more aggressive. And sort of rebuilding. This defense is off season and they weren't and I mean look. They win every year so I probably shouldn't criticize him. But I thought they'd be seventy nine last year and what I think facial eleven and five words. That was at their final right they were. This has been. This is a really really well run organization top to bottom They end up going. Damian Lewis the guard from lsu really a fire hydrant type. A dude Pure Power Guy Guard and yeah. We'll we'll see it's GONNA play. He'll play for him now because they got rid of. Dj fluker Yohanes a fourth round. Pick a year ago. I don't know anything always. He was not on the field last year. I don't know a lot about him but that's the kind of lyman they've been getting. Its these bigger north and south guys. Seahawks used to be an outside zone running team back with marshawn. Lynch is here. Even though Lynch never stretched he always kept it. Frontside just cut it up inside but the blocking structure was outside zone. They're not that kind of blocking Mississippi. More it's more of a power man-to-man downhill north and south kind of running game yet. They moved on from Justin Brit as well. So yeah. They're changing things up on offense of line again. And before I add you just want to mention the number was sixteen Fumble takeaways last year. Which I just a lot. I don't think is sustainable with what they have. I mean that was tied for second. The steelers were ahead with eighteen. The Buck also had sixteen. You look at the steelers and the bucks those are very disruptive pass rushes Especially coming off the edge and used. Don't have that in Seattle I. I don't know if they can count on another sixteen pummel takeaways next season. That's when we're talking about the forty niners in the reverse lasted twenty eighteen. They had seven takeaways. And then they they rammed up that pass rushing and it just took off and that was. That was the big difference last year. But enough of the twenty nine thousand nine recap. Let's let's move onto the AFC south the Atlanta Falcons kind of just a straightforward draft. I mean they had three picks in the top one hundred and they kind of addressed. What I think people would have seen as needs with the steam they take. Ag Terrell de Long Quarter cornerback from Clemson in round one stylistically. He fits you know that whole seahawks corner thing that we've heard about what Dan Quinn and there's probably something to that is as Oliver who will probably be there number three corner now because I think they like kindle Sheffield quite a bit their fourth round. Pick a year ago but Isaiah Oliver's another long bodied. Guys they're drafting similar types of corners in recent years. Are you reading the next guy going down the list and I'm talking about each guy? Is that how we're doing this team? Sure let's do it that way Marlon Davidson Defensive End. But really more of a Guy. I think he reduce them inside on on passing downs. You know. He's he's a guy. Believe with Derrick Brown really really good. I really like them. But you know we talked a lot about the need for sort of an edge burner. Here they did add Dante Fowler. So you do have an edge guy. So maybe they just sort of went Best Best Defensive Lineman available. Pick forty seven. Yeah that's possible. That's what they did. They must like tack McKinley as a D. end more than I like him as a DNA. I mean they don't love him he's I don't think they picked up his fifth year option. So he's this. Pick of Davidson could suggest that McKinley on his way out my point. Does I thought for a little while now? Why not slide McKinley inside a D. tackle? I think he's got the body type for that. They apparently don't see it that way. Because who else will play. Diene for it's GonNa be Fowler and then who Davidson if you're saying he's a D. Tackle and I think that makes sense. Mckinley becomes the other. Nickel pass rushing defensive end then and then the center that Hennessy. Another another good mover At a temple and we've talked about Alex. Mack is is probably a young nearing the end here. So now you got his heir apparent there. Yeah that's just drafting one. Oh One. That's a straightforward as it looks right there all right nice just this team by the way gear. I think they're in win now mode no I think so too. We talked about a lot. They really rectified. What was going wrong? Defensively We've mentioned a couple of times. They finish sixth into down the stretch. I think a lot of people saw them as sort of you know in the Super Bowl conversation coming into this year I mean they were just at the super bowl a couple years ago. I can't quite remember what happened in that game but You know that's a. That's a team that should be going for right now. You saw Matt Ryan. Julio Jones D- The window if it's if it's if it's not open I mean it's open it's Open Matt Ryan. Somebody asked me this weekend if maybe they would move on for Matt Ryan. I don't think they see him like that. He's he'll be thirty five and man. It's a little older than I thought he was. But I don't I don't think that's how they see him. I think they believe he's still an elite quarterback go Carolina Panthers. We've been wondering what they're going to roll out this year. A lot of college coaches coming up to the NFL here They take all defense. Seventy six seven defensive players Derrick Brown and yet or gross mottos for their first two Brown obviously interior linemen. Gross Mottos In Edge Guy. Who I think you'RE GONNA ask to do a lot of sort of looping inside and sort of sort of ten you know tackle and games here and Cohen shorts already in the mix. There is still an elite defensive tackle. They signed Stephen weatherly. He'll probably play on bass downs. Maybe play some defensive. Tackle in nickel situations be interesting to see. A Brown can be a fulltime Nickel D. TACKLE. We know he can play first and second down. It'd be hard to justify taking him as high in the draft as they did if you didn't feel he could play. Nikko Defensive Tackle but whether we can be in the mix member. Last year Brian Burns. They took in the first round so their their front forest pretty defined. I think it's going to be a four three scheme straightforward zone coverage if I had to guess that's what they've been mostly the last few years now a- that's defined what they're doing on defense at least which is should be they just had a bunch of players. Yeah Yeah Jeremy Chin from Southern Illinois sort of a safety linebacker hybrid type. Guy I would. I would assume they'd they'd play him at safety. Eric re role there and then I will mention Tony Pride The cornerback from Notre Dame really fast guy Because they are just I mean. They are incredibly thin at cornerback. You'll get cornerback group. I don't know who starts opposite Dante Jackson right now and I don't know how crazy they are about. Donte Jackson who was a little bit up and down my season. Yeah that's a good point. I had not. I guess I had noticed that. But it had operative in front of my mind. They have corn elder might be in the mix. It cornerback. Forum Cornell is a fun name. He's been around. He's been on rosters. Been with this team for a while. That's a position that will need help though those safety that you just mentioned they're going to be playing back quite a bit here. Yeah let's go onto the saints short one here that they did at one point trade all their three picks to jump up and and get another day to pick They did end up jumping back into the seventh round to take the the quarterback Tom Stevens and other sort of athletic vote. Mental Guy But They end up going with our ruis who that SORTA CAUGHT US OFF. Guard and best we can figure is he is going to replace. Larry Warford a very soon. And how soon is to question? Warford did not look like he was in decline last year but the saints a lot more about them than I do. His contract is up this year so even if he if he was not in decline. Yes still to make a decision on him. That's why Ruas here the these other picks to that you're going to list off your these third rounders. I don't see an immediate role for them. Either I I see how they fit the system in the program. I don't know where they're snaps in their reps will come from in year one here. Yeah Zach on you you would think his value is probably going to play on downs and just get after the quarterback speed guy And then he's not a real pure speed edge bender type guys for as far as I understand. He's fast I'll say that he's I mean he's small he is he is fast for. I don't know what he waited. The combine I I would have said Summer in the to thirty range but Yeah so I mean there you go. I think he's a guy who just send street at the quarterback and You develop as someone who can play off the ball a bit as well. And then Adam Trautmann who I presume. Adam traveling to just straight up hill. Replace Jared Cook After the season or or two seasons down the road if they if they bring back cook for one more yeah I would agree with that and the trump might be a guy who needs that kind of development as well. The good teams. When you're in one of the benefits of having a complete roster and hitting draft picks. You're able to take a lot more chances and freedoms with what you do in the following drafts. 'cause you guys to play right away a guy like Trautmann you can develop within your system. He doesn't need to be on the field very often. We talked about. That's how Seattle does things. It's sustained success in the NFL. And I think the saints are kind of. They're kind of near that territory now. They've been a playoff caliber team for several years in a row now The bucks as we mentioned they they end up jumping up one spot in the first round. Take Tristan wharfs which we talked about quite a bit. On the Friday show. And and how that sorta signifies and maybe this is a little bit more of Bruce Arians offense with some the downfield stuff as opposed to Sort of Tom Brady. Quick strike stuff but Day to they end up getting Antoine winfield junior another safety there and they take the running back keyshawn Vaughn and and you kind of wonder it seems like Arians has been less than thrilled with with Ronald Jones. So you wonder if Keyshawn Vaughn is going to be the guy who ends up being sort of the the workhorse back in this offense. Yeah because they've sure talked Ronald Jones up a lot. We hear a lot of positive headlines about how the bucks feel belt Ronald Jones. And you don't get those from Christian McCaffrey's team a whole lot because you don't need them so it's and then to take a guy in the third round his position you might be onto something. There has some nice skills I could see. Jones got drafted where he did. There's a lot to like. And they took a guy his position coaches and teams. They tell you how they feel about guys. By what the what their actions are and Winfield is nice in In Todd Bowles Defense here. Yes because I think windfall. Let's assume winfield play. Let's say he's nobody's a safe pick but let's say they are very confident that he'll be on the field for them. That solves a lot of problems because their secondary last year. Jamaldini Corner Third Round. Pick got better over the course of the year. Carlton Davis Twenty Eighteen. Second Rounder Shaun Murphy. Bunting he's actually a pretty good looking player but he moved around a little slot guys outside. Guy. I'm Jay Stewart. These are all young corners. And I think they're good not great and the that a good not great through highs lows safety is a little bit true as well Mike Edwards third round pick last year and this is where it applies more to Antoine Winfield Justin Evans. Rangy guy but didn't play last year due to injury. Were talking talent here. None of it is proven other than Carlton Davis. None of these guys are totally proven. Three down players if you can get that out of Winfield. That's a lot more freedom and flexibility. You have with deploying these other guys could now. You're only fill in one spot not trying to fill both spots out there at safety so I liked the Winfield pick because I think there's a potential domino effect with it. Hey everyone I'm John. Wertheim senior writer at sports illustrated in our new podcast record. We're opening up more than sixty years of the SL fall. In examining our most consequential work about the moments that defined the most legendary athletes in sports. From Michael Jordan Serena Williams. The record will tell never before heard stories behind the stories that turned athletes into icons. Subscribe now to the record on Apple. Podcast spotify stitcher. Wherever you get your podcasts Let's go to the NFC north starting with Chicago bears. They came into draft weekend with only nine tight ends on the roster so they had to address that shortage and they get coca met with the forty third. Pick What they have a lot of tight ends. Obviously they're not all at. I'm sure they're all perfectly nice guys but there are not all necessarily great players. They did I mean they. They signed Jimmy Graham and and they pay Jimmy Graham. I think a little bit more than everyone expected. Jimmy Graham to get But now now you have coal comment they brought in Dimitrius Harris. Adam Shaheen is still there but I assume some mix of Graham comment and And Harris are what you're looking at here. Yeah and I would imagine that. Shaheen's going to have a tough time making this roster because those three guys you mentioned grandma's clearly receiver Harris is. He's he's he can do everything I think he's a little. He's here because he's a good receiver off. The bench commits an all around classic tight end. They need a blocking tight. End Somewhere and Shaheen has not been on the field at times. Brana Ker Ben. Bronner got on the field ahead of him last year so JP Holtz but we don't. We don't need to get into great depth on the number four tight end of seven in one thousand nine hundred nor for year ago. I guess what what this tells me? Though with what they're doing in the position they've invested in. They want to do what the chiefs do which is an obvious passing situations third down and long second along even especially third down those. It's three by one or a one by three. When you say one by three you mean tied-in as the one and three receivers on the other side of three by one. The tight end would be part of the three receivers side so anyway. It's a one by three formation. Travis Kelsey is a huge piece of that for Kansas City. They know that they don't have a Kelsey on the roster but you want a guy who can be a receiving threat so you can at least scheme the way you might with Kelsey and that's Matt Maggie comes from Casey. He knows the value that kind of thing. They signed Trey Burton for that and they've lined up with Burton a lot. It didn't work out for a number of reasons. They're trying again with grand. They'll probably try recall commit. They'll probably have these guys all of the field the same time as well not necessarily in third down. But when you go with multi ends you can simplify some of the coverages and looks and if they're going to salvage Mitchell trubisky and that's a big gift because Nick foles is here now but if they're going to salvage trubisky you you want to help them as much as you want to put him in a chance to succeed. Give them some predictable. Looks to let them find his rhythm and feet as a passer ending. Nick foles is going to Be The quarterback there. I kind of agree with you. Because what fools gives you that we have not yet seen from trubisky of? Maybe we'll see it. He's he's still relatively young member. Yeah even play a lot in. Call it so he's basically were most second year. Qb's would be right now. He's entering year two in terms of total reps at a high level. But they're not running the full offense with them. They look like they do a lot of stuff before the snap and at this well presented in their formations their route combination. That what they're doing they're not close to doing what the chiefs do for example. Nobody is but they're not running an expansive offense trubisky with fools. They'll at least run almost the full offense. Yeah it's a lot of tight ends you got to Rico in Not a whole lot of depth that receiver Allen Robinson Anthony Miller after that. You're you're looking at you know. Cordeiro Patterson John Williams Riley Ridley Types. And then they just they couldn't get anything going on the ground last year and I I know of David. Montgomery plays faster in the second year. they did not address the offensive line outside of losing. Kyle Wong so Just just still a lot of a lot of question marks on offense but They have a chance to do some creative problem solving here with the with Matt Nagy Should mentioned they did have a second second round pick and then they didn't have another pick until outside the one fifty but they do take Jaylen Johnson. The Utah cornerback. Who seems to be good value where they got him need to have Amanda Band Corner? Chuck Pagawa wants to blitz. You play man to man behind most blitzes. If he's not blitzing he's usually playing some kind of cover. Four quarters coverage and for cornerbacks for all intents and purposes that's manned demand as well the Lions We Jeff Goo Okuda we. We know why they took him. Because you need to cover people in the in in the NFL round to go. Deandra swift the The Georgia running back. Who can do a lot of things and I don't know if you want to call them Stylistically a James White type. Alvin Kamara tight. But he he's that guy who has a dimension to the passing game. Kerryon Johnson is capable in the passing. Game and swift is more Definitely a movable Chesapeake stubby guy definitely a guy who is well frankly more of a threat in the passing game and what I like. Is it drafted Jonah Jackson Guard in the third round. Got Logan Stemberg the Kentucky Guy in the fourth round as well so when whenever you're pigs can boutrous other picks. I really liked that. And they've invested in the running game now in three ways a couple of guards which the they could use an infusion of talent to that position and then what you just outlined in swift and the other guy. Maybe you were going to get to him. Gary but I'm GonNa Steal Your spot here. Julian Okwara as a pass rusher. They badly badly needed. Pass rushing help in Detroit and Romeo cars already on the Roster Julia. Romeo from what I've read about Julian and looked into a little bit very different types of players. Row meals kind of more. That classic Devan Canard kind of guys. GonNa hold the block. Hold the edge and Julian's more of a bender and more explosive athlete which probably explains why Julian Win. The third round and Romeo. I'm clicking on to see when undrafted Romo made the NFL in two thousand sixteen though. He's had a nice career. Yeah they've They've cornered the market on the OKWARA. We'll see what they do it's I I'm plugging this. But I'm not proud unplugging this we have the I M Qb power pole coming up today. it was me and Jenny Brenta's encounter or in Algebra and Mitch. Golden voted and I. I just noticed a lot of people had Detroit like thirty one thirty two and I have been very critical of of what lines of done. I mean. They've invested so much in an offensive line. That just hasn't really done anything and I think they've sort of squander Matthew Stafford doing accent but but before Stafford got hurt last year I mean this was the the they were what they're saying like three three and one they they got raw body officials in Green Bay on a Monday night That one Thai they were in ill-fated timeout away from do but stafford with playing an MVP level You know obviously the the defense sort of fell apart. And then you can't really keep pace when it's Jeff Driscoll or David Blau under under center for you but I'm not going to sit here like I did. Two years ago and guaranteed Detroit Lions Dynasty but the lions can't be a nine and seventeen if Matthew Stafford is going to be in the line. The savage hurt again. I mean they'll they'll be the football. I agree with you if they gotta learn to finish games and it's easy to say I don't know how you actually go about finishing games other than playing better that past shows a big factor in the inability to finish because half what would happen is as gaming along their pass. Defense just got worse and worse a lot of the Times last year and that wasn't necessarily on the secondary of is more on the guy is trying to get to the QB so they follow the Patriot model. They don't necessarily need big time. Pass rushers but you need some guys that can at least win when they get into one on one scenarios execute. The schemed rushes. Lot of stunts. Lot of twists Jamie Collins will be part of the pass rush nail. Trey flowers needs to be better than he was a year ago. I didn't think it was a very high impact player for what they're asking him. And now Julian Okwara three guys that give you a chance that maybe being a little bit. Different defensively now. Okay so here we go on the Green Bay packers who we talked about during love a lot on Friday night. I'm sure we're about to talk about him a little bit more because he is look at the draft class as a whole and kind of wonder but before. We really dive into this. I want to throw out a trivia question and you can maybe think about it. Just it's a number guest so it's not It's not a big deal but the listeners. Here both. I'm asking you but the listeners. Are You It it's like. Oh we have a better audience in that. It's it's like you're it's like a choose your own adventure type thing. What should Andy Answer? And I'm actually. I'm stealing this of Kokubo. Aqsa twitter feed so if you know the answer and I assume like most people you listen to this podcast with an audience like a bunch of people together. That's that's how you're supposed to be experiencing it. It's it's it's sort of a you want to be within a crowd this this time in our world. I mean socially distance but I mean you know. You can't just listen to this alone. You're you're missing out on all the fun. This is the Trivia Question. How many first round picks has Aaron Rodgers thrown touchdown passes to in his career? Like how many different ones and you can think about it. And then you can answer at the end of this section here so Jordan love. And we're not quite sure what Jordan love means year. I mean they yeah I I have not gained any clarity. He certainly an inexpensive backup. I guess and then I don't know if you put on the field maybe you end up in a situation where someone will give you a high draft pick for Jordan down the road but also you just spent a high draft pick on on Jordan love but round two they go. Aj Dylan they go with the big back I mean I would say in a perfect world. Aj Dylan becomes your Derrick. Henry I I don't know is that. Is that what you want to build? Now with Aaron Rodgers their and do a bunch of zone and then a play action off of that. That's that's the answer to that is yes. That's what Matt Leflore wants to build. Because that's what he had in Tennessee. What Derrick Henry and I know. He's not in Tennessee anymore. But they've continued to run that system since he's been gone. That's that's what Matt Leflore knows and it's worked really well towards Shanahan ruins what mcvay run so. The last couple of super bowls have been represented by that scheme Tennessee. Titans were a game away from the Super Bowl. Green Bay attempted to be that kind of team last year and I think they got pretty close or not where they want to be yet. These outside zone teams are the most successful offenses in the NFL. Right now. So La floors thinking is. That's what we're going to build the. It's going to start from the run game and Jazirah d'Ivoire the the I mean he. He's h back. He's not ever going to be a a Y tight end in in the league out of Cincinnati smaller tight end. Tight Guy You did you ask me about him before the draft there was some someone. I won't say I think we we talked about a talked about on the other night because we recorded that right after the first round but I I feel like we have asked about him at some point. If on the field is going to be your second tied in correct. You just said he's not a y tight end so that's even more evidence. There's a lot of evidence your gear that these guys want to be a run type of team. They drafted Dylan. They drafted Guevara. They've invested in that kind of scheme. You could even argue that drafting. Love is a little bit of a commitment towards APP because love is stylistically in what he can be? If it all goes well. He'll be a more on schedule player than Rogers doesn't mean it's going to be better than Roger. No one's saying that maybe he will be you know they. They might think he could be one day but stylistically. He's more of a rhythmic. Qb Rogers that's not in his innate nature so green bay has known this and that was the biggest challenge you had last year and I thought they did a pretty good job a really good job of massaging that in heaven. Rogers come back to them and then they meet Rogers in the middle and it kind of goes that way. But they're making a commitment to the run game for sure which means to some degree they're asking rogers to come a little more towards the middle towards them. Okay when when someone did ask me. That do are my scouting report was. He'll he'll make you forget all about Klay Harbor but I needed to not talk so long because you. That's a good joke that That's funny you need. I'm sorry that was a good one. I Aaron Rodgers Ju on that actually I kind of went into my own rhythm and schedule there. I like to think I still made the play but it was a little frustrating. I only have so much. Clay Harbor related material. That I can go through here. Are We answering this? Rogers Trivia thing before resilient to when whoever's home right now when you're listening to this please shout out your answers and then like prices right and then Andy will listen to the audience and then give his answer all right. Okay give your answer. I want to say one guy. It's one as the answer is a number answer. Do you know who it is you you did you look it up. I initiated not look it up and I thought about this guy and I almost clicked to confirm thought no less. I'm confident enough that I'm going to answer it anyway. Without looking at Marseille Lewis. Wow do you really not look it up? I did not look it up. He was like a late first round. Pick for that was. That was a lifetime ago. You and I were not alive when Marquette trapped in the league so I would almost argue. Is that even count? Does he wasn't their first round pick. He's he's on the back end of his career. They got on the sixteenth hole of his. It was outing here. Yeah Yeah so that is the answer though. That is impressive. I still think you looked it up. I promise you I did not. I have always answered these with integrity. And if I mean by that I mean when I do look it up admitted I have not looked it up this time. Okay I mean. I hinted that it was a small number so I wouldn't surprise you answered one. I was just really were asking if that were asking it. It's a small number Rogers around for ten years. What do you mean we yeah? Small Number Twenty three more than ten years like yeah fifteen years for Rogers. Why WOULD I ten? I don't know honestly for three is in the middle in the middle US around for twelve. We're you are offering now because we are on what this team twenty-six of of this Weekend of of draft media but Let's go to a L. We're arriving at the Minnesota Vikings so now. We have a full hour to devote to the Vikings. Seventy eight man. Draft class here Fifteen players for the Vikings we talked about just Jefferson and Jeff Glad Ni You know we still sort of wonder how Jefferson and feeling What you do with them. Winding-up Jefferson presumably is going to play outside which he didn't do in college right presumably. Because there's there's not a slot receiver in their line-up they're not gonNA put three receivers on the field very often they will play with base personnel. A lot of the time now is we talked about the other night. Though with the nature of their offense. I think stylistically Jefferson. Do More things that he did it. Lsu than you would guess Stylistically by the way how many Lsu guys have become Minnesota Vikings like actually big time players because Justin Jefferson will have warren nothing but purple and Yellow and white and his football. Where did he go to high school? He he's going to be in the same color of for his entire life. Do you know he was a he was a zero star. Recruit at Lsu. I I didn't even know there were such thing. I was as Eurostar recruited. A lot of place. I guess I guess we all were. Us almost a podcast. So it's been said he went to Lsu and became a hundred eleven catch a national champion and now a first round NFL. Pick Yeah They Take Jeff Gladness who I mean they. They need cornerbacks They lost three of their first four cornerbacks from last season. So Jeff Gordon is GonNa take more of those spots. They also took Cameron Dancer. I think dancer was maybe first round. Darkhorse stubby guy until the combine. He just didn't run well. I I hate to emphasize the combine that much but I do think when it comes to cornerbacks combine measurable 's because such a purely athletic reactionary position not not fully be still. Need you know a fairly high football IQ. And all that. But I think it's easy to sort of bump guys up or down based on what they run in dance or did run some the four sixes at at the combine. But he's a big corner. Speed is one thing that can be hard to play without at cornerback in the NFL. We could debate. I think speed say it's overrated the forty time certainly overrated that to me the forty time means almost nothing so but let's say this Dan. Did you see Dan Slur at all in college that he does he play fast at all? I would not a he doesn't but I also know run it solely as he did. I mean I would've I would've called in. Probably an average speed guy with good length. Speeds are hard when somebody I for. I wish I give this guy credit because it was a really good tweet. Somebody had an image the other day. And if you know who it was tweet officer or send us an email talk back because it was an image of all the guys that have run slow forty times in the draft in the names of the corners. And you wouldn't recognize. Hardly any Josh. Norman was the only name I recognized on first blush. I think if there aren't a lot of slow corners in the NFL's two point and they take Ezra Cleveland which maybe spells the end of of Riley reef coming up possibly by the way just in Jefferson to clean that up when he went to death. Strahan Highschool Louisiana. They were red and white kind almost like Washington state's uniforms. Yeah so anyway he. Unfortunately it's not. It can be all purple and yellow but Cleveland. Riley reef is on the outs probably next year. You can get rid of them for minimal cap damage. If I recall one thing you might want to keep in mind is is accurate floated to me. I was on the Boise. Radio show today. Did a bunch of radio stuff boise by coincidence was one of my buddies down at. Ktar pointed out maybe Riley plays guard for me and left. Guard was a position of need this year. I think pat lanes had a lot of chances. I don't know if he's cashed in on him well enough. So could you kick Revi- assume it'd be reviewed move inside because you the guy who's been there awhile and the guy who probably won't be there much longer you would be more willing to tinker with his position than in. Cleveland'S I would guess but that you know I could be wrong on that. They'll figured out. Cleveland gives them more talent along the offensive line. We know that and he does fit in outside zone scheme. He's a better zone blocker than man-to-man blocker and look. I mean they had a ton of day three picks here they at one point were scheduled for thirteen. They traded a couple. They ended up making Looks like eleven day. Three picks up and they just they need is in there. And they're gonNA have competitions and yell for their sake they're gonNA try and shake out some these guys. I'm sorry we're not going to run through all of them. That what what surprises me with. All of the skiers is the discussion around Minnesota in the kirk cousins re signing the contract kind of propagated. The discussion is that now. Now's the time our window is now. It looks to me like your window was last year. I mean this is a lot of new personnel that they're incorporate especially when you factor in who's going to be coming off the bench for them. This team is not nearly as good on paper as it was a year ago. It's a lot of new personnel and I mean look. We're we're GONNA talk all summer about how you know. The the the lack of mini camps and all virtual stuff is going to make it more difficult for new guys to be broken in an continuity is going to be an advantage for a lot of these teams so Look that they were a lot of trouble cap wise. I mean I guess that necessitated the the cousins restructuring to an extent someone someone pointed out to me after I had floated will the Vikings Take George love and intrigue back in mock draft. Which is not supposed to be read by anyone? Let alone followed at all but Cousins Twenty twenty. Two contract becomes fully guaranteed. If I have this correctly an amoeba butchering it comes fully guaranteed on like the fifth day of the twenty twenty one league year so basically. They're locked in to kirk cousins through twenty twenty two on on expensive contracts. And I'm looking at now. I can't cut him now because that would trigger sixty two million dead cap money. So he'll be here for. The duration of this season now sat for analysis cousins. Look it was hideous. It was in his interest to sign this deal as well because there were. It's it's it's a yeah yeah absolutely. I don't blame him. I was just you kind of head scratching that they were making these sort of three or commit. I really thought the Vikings at some point. We're going to kind of say cousins thing is going well but look at how much we're having to tear down. Maybe we want one of those rookie quarterback contracts here and we'll roll the dice. We don't need necessarily need a guy at the top of the first round That sort of thing but yeah. I wonder if they would have done that if they if they had had any clue at all maybe they had a clue but if they knew that. Green Bay was going after love with that of change their approach. They had lot love before the packers got him. I gasped at the same problem I mean they. They are locked in. They are locked the cousins through two thousand twenty so I guess I'm thinking before. They locked themselves into cousins if they had all right. Okay Yeah I Gotcha I gotcha you. I read you one more division. And then we're done Dallas COWBOYS NFC EAST. The Dallas Cowboys have won the draft They they will hold a parade as soon as they can And that's that's it. I mean we talk about. Cd-rom a little bit on Friday. And how lamb really allows Amari Cooper to play in the slot. A Lot. Which is really where you want him but Dan I'm getting tremont digs who I mean. Look maybe a little bit raw. But I don't know if digs necessarily has to play a huge role as a rookie and I mean my goodness the you know. He's a converted receiver and the the physical traits. Are I mean? This is a quarterback built in a lab thing. Yeah long arm. Physical guy probably doesn't have to play right away. Although I I would think they would want that. Because if he's not then who's your number it's either Anthony Brown playing outside probably be Jordan Lewis outside Anthony. Browne would stay in the slot in that case which I think it's serviceable. Yeah that's that's probably fine. I like Louis as a really good number four corner and the way I I want him on the field at times. I don't want them just being on the bench and we feel good that he's on the bench and he might come in if we need them. I think he deserves to be on the phillies. A good player. I liked him in the role. He's been in as a number four corner who can do a lot of different things for play all the play all the corner spots and they end up with their other dates you pick. They take a Neville gallimore penetrating interior defensive. Lineman what might Nolan GonNa do upfront here with this With his unit. Well less so Mike Nolan. Colin plays in the NFL. Believe us with the Falcons is their defensive coordinator. They made a conscious effort under him to be a blitzing defense. They even had meetings about it with the front office and said we feel. We can manufacture our pass rush. So let's not go. We don't need to get. They didn't say it back then. But we don't need to get a demarcus Lawrence type of guy we don't need these super expensive premium pass rushers. We need corners. Who can do that? 'cause we'll manufacture the pass rush. Just give us the coverage on the back. End makes us feel comfortable being aggressive. That was his approach when we last saw now. Maybe he's shifted his philosophy a little bit. They did signed on Terry Po. They signed Gerald McCoy. You just described. Gallimore is a one gap penetrator type of guy. Those players fit a four three zone base scheme. So maybe they're wanting to stick with that. That's what they had under Rod Marinelli and Chris Rashard this past year quite frankly. They didn't play that scheme very well this past year. It has not worked. It should work out for them because they had a lot of talent on defense but it did not work out but they weren't good enough in it so I would think Nolan's going to do more of the blitzing and be a little bit more multiple than what we've seen but we don't know that for sure. Yeah he's a. They just didn't tackle well last year. And maybe maybe getting latent Vandereycken back in the lineup rectify some of that The giants We talked about it they they. They chose Andrew Thomas. They'd like Andrew Thomas Best. There's nothing wrong with that. They'll be right or they'll be wrong but Thomas will be there right. Tackle Xavier mckinney. Was there early second round pickier. A lot of people don't mckinney was going round one versatile safety can play over the slot a little bit and I think we were gonNA play him over the slot. It's more of a zone. Look type of thing but very good at undercutting routes there you go and they they whatever it is. They could use that kind of peace over all they could use a third safety if they want members Patrick Grandma's or coordinator now a he's not a pure patriot guys had some other exposure to other schemes. But my guess is Joe. Judge hired him because he's more patriots than not Patriot. On Defense Patrick. Chung enormous player for New England in terms of establishing the style of play that franchise prefers do you. May Be view exhibitor mckinney and that kind of light do everything type of box safety slash. Corner Chung. I see it as kind of slot corner at times. They'll have options air and there might change week to week to another Patriot trademark and we wondered if if they'd address offensive line again. Thomas will start on the right side this year. Does he move to the left side where they do but they probably need another tackle long-term nate solar stays there but They do. Dave goes back to the old proven formula of taking the best Yukon offensive tackle available last time. The giants did that of course led to two super bowl championships when they took a baby in the second round. Back IN TWO THOUSAND. Nine hundred eighty. That's that's a guy that just I just for he was. He used a nice player when he was at his side height. Yeah he was and that pair it is kind of a late comer to football but But a really good prospect and again as as a as a yukon supporter not very passionate one but is Yukon supporter. It was nice to see some Yukon highlights that were not them getting There's there's I just there's one of Dylan The running back from BC. The packers took and There were like eight Yukon guys trying to tackle him like the fifteen yard line and he just carried them all into the end zone and like that was. That was the contract weekend that I have a quick will bady story for you. It comes out of twenty seventeen. I WanNa see I wanNA make sure I get the timing right on this Our old friend Mack Gonyea. The Eagles signed Will Beta magazines are editor the QB. From the beginning of it he was original guys The Eagles signed will beatty. I guess I'm going back. It looks like it's November of twenty seventeen and when they signed him so let's mid season. We'll beat he'd been out of the NFL. He was thirty two years old at that point. Matt Matt Mack. Gonyea contacted me. Want to know if I was wanting to. Do you want to write up? The will the big breaking news on we'll Beta they signed left tackle. I said what do you mean what what breaking new baby the giants tackle? I said. It's no we're in the middle of November though he hasn't been in the league. He's a retread guy. I mean I just had a nice career but this isn't this isn't new not gonNA play and Ghani was blown away by that. He couldn't believe turning the story down the will be. What would I have said in that article two time? Superbowl champion will baby signs with the Eagles? Yeah and I guess you know he would have won the super bowl that year right. I'm telling you you take a Yukon tackle on day two and just watch the multiple super bowls roles that way does will beatty have three rings in no no. I don't think he I don't think he stayed in Philadelphia. Wasn't there long enough that well. That's the story we should have written in was when they got rid of wilby early in two thousand seventeen after signing him He was on sorry. Sorry he did win. That's right twenty seventeen. He won with the Eagles. He only won one super bowl with okay. All right you bet. That seems that makes more still. I'm sorry not paired only leads to one super bowl for the giants here so that you can. You can deal with that That Developmental often to tackle here so they got to tackle who hopefully become their their tax with future here day. Three Lots of Defense Darna homes is is very fast the one hundred ten pick and sort of up and down at Ucla but interesting guy and most we'll see the giants still sort of building up and obviously the cowboys are very good in that division and so are the Eagles The Eagles had probably the most controversial pick of the weekend. And we'll get to that in a second but look when we came into this off season. We kind of said boy. Eagles got add speed. They gotta add speed and I mean my goodness okay. Okay we'll do with heard Jalen Rieger. And then he took John hightower out of Boise State. Who is just a pure burner? And then they trade from artiste. Goodwin they get to Sean Jackson back. I'm sure someone's made the joke that that's a four by one hundred relay team but that's also not a joke that is like bronze medal winning for by one hundred relay team. If you want to put him out there. There was a lot of watch on this marquees. Goodwin trade it was all these updates goodwin trade could go down. Niners rip open to Goodwin Trade Marquees. Goodwin didn't play last year for them. So I mean it's nice it got and speedster goodwin will have to beat out. John hightower because otherwise they're going to go with the the fifth round rookie and hightower is going to have to beat out the Sean Jackson for significant. Snazzy probably won't do that but he'll be in the lineup yes speed overall. They got speed and last year. They addressed the need to replace. We'll bady at left tackle with Andrei Dillard. So they're all set there as long as he can be better against the bull rush. It's an athletic offense overall. When you look at I mean Lane Johnson. Gelson Jason Kelsey Andre Dillard at offensive line lot of speed at wide receiver. I little tight ends and a quarterback who will be aggressive with all of that and Jalen hurts they took jalen hurts. Everyone in Philadelphia. I couldn't believe how much vitriol was being Spewed out on the jalen hurts pick. I'll say in a number one carson. Wentz hasn't made it to the end of a season since his rookie year I know people are GonNa say well. We started the playoff game. But yeah you got hurt during the playoff game. And then they had to put Josh mccown out there who was limping around on a bad hamstring. Because he's He's my age and trying to play professional football He's he's a little younger than you. But that's where I go. We're the same age is Jamie. Yes same athleticism and similar success in our careers. Right Jalen hurts. So yes. You have yourself a backup quarterback again. We saw what happened. Nick foles they probably feel pretty good about their ability to develop quarterbacks here But more than that I mean. Look they clearly have some sort of plan for? Jalen hurts to be involved in the offense in some way while Carson Wentz is healthy and starting in playing so yes I it's it's it's too early to know what this book is therefore too early to be so upset about this. I think the pick will be some kind of form of ran. Antwan randle El when he was with Pittsburgh and former quarterback and he was more of a receiver than hurts. Obviously but that kind of concept that extensive gadgetry type of pick the problem is. It's going to be hard to find enough snaps for him. Tay Some hills the closest equivalent that we have and he gets on the field for about half the stats. But he's a blocking tight end at times where he's an H. back. He's a a receiving tied in hill can do a lot more than what? Jalen hurts can do based on what appears hurts a skill set is entering the NFL right now. Yeah I'll just say this I mean look they're the same size tastes them hill and I'm not sitting here saying the eagles Really like the thought of Jalen hurts blocking and tackling on special teams. But you not some hill. If you watch them in college you would have just said like Oh. That's right handed Tim Tebow. That's that's A. That's a quarterback who can't really throw what are they gonna do with them And this is what they did with. I don't think anyone would have looked at taste. Hill coming out of. Byu and said by God this you know. Here's a special teams ace and a potential H back tight end type. A guy you make a great point. I didn't I'll be honest. I didn't realize jalen hurts was a stick as he was. He's six one to two. It looks like he doesn't tell me if I'm wrong I don't my eyeball test doesn't seem to say that's what he is he. Actually I used to think the same thing about him. I did not think he was that big until I Until I saw the measurements before the combine when you went to Oklahoma. 'cause I'm here. He said about his. Nfl prospects of that point being snarky or anything here. Maybe he was different padding than as the milk as them. Hill looks big. I'm surprised hills not to thirty two twenty something as its weight low twenties. So yeah. Maybe you're onto something there. Maybe I need to expand my thinking on it. We know this Gary Philadelphia would not make pick unless they had a clear plan in mind right now of what they're going to do. Jalen hurts and they're not gonNA tell us what the plan is. They're they're a secret of team for one but for too it makes even if they were a blabbermouth team or media-friendly team. They still shouldn't tell anybody. That's that's good trade information that they have in their hands right now. And what can I give you my Josh mccown story row? Quick Yeah definitely. Do I told this a few years ago. Do you remember the story? No I saw Josh mccown at the combine. I guess I can say now because everybody's moved on. He was meeting with the bears staff so it was Adam gays as as a coordinator in John. Fox's head coach Ryan pace was the GM so mechanic come in sometimes combine every once in a while. You'll see a player Frank Gore. I saw a few years ago. Just sitting there in the lobby. They come in if they're still unsigned and they're looking at long term contracts like two year extension type of deal anyway. Mccown was in town talking to contract. Maybe now I think about me. I'm not supposed to say this at all who may have been a tampering meeting. But anyway what how they were at the high it at a eating a fancy breakfast at the Hyatt restaurant. Would you have guessed Josh? Mccown war to that meeting. Specifically what kind of footwear crocs the good guess you WanNa take another one. I'll tell you this I guess it it's way off both in berkinstocks. No combat boots like a goth like those kids from the mall and you were young. Yeah and they were the kind that went up almost up over most of his Shin Really. Yeah these were. These were heavy duty boots nice. Yeah good on him. Yeah and with that we go on to debut on Taylor the from David Taylor is also just incredibly fast. They they have Whenever they do attract me if they decided to track meets instead of Football Games this year. The Eagles are going to just blow. Everyone away David Taylor Colorado linebacker four three something guy just just incredibly fast track athlete. And just awful publisher. You didn't play High School baller. I should say he I believe he appeared in one game and he was a an and still possibly still is a seventh day adventist and they did not participate in football because of the schedule and then cave on. Wallis kind of a big Slot Guy Safety type A type of dude from Clemson so yeah I look. I think the eagles are in good shape. I don't think they had desperate needs I really like adding Darius slay and and John Hargrave during the free agency period and young. Yes jalen hurts is a luxury pick. I didn't really have a problem with it. I'M NOT GONNA say it's great but I just didn't have a big problem with it and apparently everyone just wants to I don't know just punch Howie Roseman in the back of the head or something Y. In I I always struggle to criticize individual picks because again these teams they know so much more about who these guys are what they need all the variables ago these teams have infinitely more information than we do. So who are we to ever criticize and individual pick? I do think it's fine to analyze a draft and look at the concept of it but it's hard ever say you should not have taken back guy take this guy instead. How how do you tell that to now? Now I'm I'm I'm with you. I was just surprised at how upset. Of course yeah. No and I guess if we didn't do that if we didn't have that freedom none of us have jobs too. So maybe I need to backtrack a little bit on that. But let's play it out. Let's see what they have in mind for. Jalen hurts and then we'll analyze it. I was surprised by the pick doll. So that okay. I was just surprised by the I was trying to. I was just surprised by the reaction to make especially for the team. That just won the super bowl two years ago with a backup quarterback. I I thought you you know. Be a little bit more and not excited but just sort of understanding of what might be going on. But like I said I- jalen hurts is going to have a role outside of backup quarterback and we'll see what that is Deb resisted the last team of our draft extravaganza that is Washington Chase young obviously became the second overall. Pick that kind of surprised. No one they have a chance to have a really good pass rush their day to sixty pick. Antonio Gibson. I've seen running back somewhere or receiver somewhere. I would think running back in Washington and honestly I think he's a really good running back. I think he's really good running back prospect. I think he's a guy who Early on you'll put him on the field on passing downs and I think he can become much more than that. I think Down the line. He might be a a three down sort of lead. Your Committee type of guy in the redskins have seen over the years. How Valuable Chris? Thompson has ended them when he's been available and really how how much the offense was reduced when he was unavailable. Different system. Different team all that stuff. Now I get that same uniforms though but the point is having the dinette dynamic running back that can do a lot to help especially a young quarterback 'cause those running back routes limited route trade just by nature. You can't run every out of the backfield going run. A certain number even if Gibson gives them a weapon there and I think they'll use him in more ways than just that but even if he's only that kind of weapon that'll be important for Dwayne Haskins especially considering that they really don't have a starting caliber tight in on the roster so they need some kind of yet to have a gadgetry night dad yet to have a matchup piece somewhere in the offense. If you don't have it at tight end. You needed receiving back yet. They ended up signing rainy. Moss's son thaddeus Moss in the free and superior. I'm not sitting here saying well. Now they have a tight end they got this undrafted free agent. Trying to say it's more that that is more of a factoid you me of the factoid by Los Angeles chargers Sort OF SUPER BOWL fodder on the last show. But that is a factoid. They signed that is moss and thaddeus. Most probably would have been drafted if not for a foot injury that. Sorta kept teams from getting a good look at them but Yeah the the trend has gone. They end up taking a city Charles. LSU offensive tackle who they hope will one day grow into that left tackle spot and Everyone Loves Antonio Gandhi Golden Because He's the Liberty Receiver Really big dude someone. I don't WanNa pick on someone especially 'cause I don't remember who the analysts was but someone gave him a Calvin Johnson comp. Look when they're doing that they're doing that. Stylistically I mean come on. Don't be a fan boy on we deal. We've all dealt with those kind of people you know that but yeah I agree. I would not have the gall to do that. Even if I'm saying stylistically because of what you just did be yes. Yeah BUT GANDHI GOLDEN EIB. He's he's like A. He had a bunch of NEAT FACTOID. Up in the morning when they took him. He's a gardener and I think he bowled like three hundred game and he's a guitarist and probably the most interesting draft pick. I'd say since a clay harbor he worked back in Nice job there. That's how you that's how you wrap up a trilogy and by the way I honestly don't remember if clay harbor was drafted but he had to find a couple of years he didn't. I don't know where he is now. That's all we don't need to find. I'm going to go but we we can end this show. That's next week's trivia question man. I T's on something called team nine. Oh xfl that was under the team name on Wikipedia or something. Okay all right. So they're all right. He's out there. He's doing all right. Thanks Andy I'm so glad you did this. This was this was a fun three shows. I think for the first time ever. We actually space these out properly so that we didn't want to Just kill each other by the end. We had some long Sundays in the past And this was nice. This is great to spread it out over several shows. I'm with you on that and same Shelby Royce in our producer. Also as far as we know Does not wish us any particular harm. Now that this is all over I will just remember the one year. Liu Pelegrina was so our producer at that point Probably two or three years ago and we needed multiple bathroom breaks during the podcast because it was just it was just so long and we thought it was. Never GonNA end. Yup I remember that. Yes kinda the euro. That was a Sunday afternoon. Never speaking of Well Andy once again we thank you for joining us as our special guest and I feel this is just goodbye for now. I'll talk to you at some point in the near future. I'm sure Gary M. qb Monday morning. Podcast is me Gary gramling and special. Thanks once again to Andy for joining us for the NFL draft recap trilogy. We are produced by shelby. Royston essays executive producer of PODCASTS. Scott Brody then Eagle is director of editorial projects and Product Markovic. Raven is emeritus editor of the MTV and he is the founder of the NFL. 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And i came up with a list of questions to just ask you here which some of them will turn into conversations and maybe some of them won't first of all how are you doing. I haven't talked to you in a while. Goodman slow motion looking forward to football season like always second question what's washington's record going to be this upcoming season keep in mind. It's a seventeen game season I'd give them honestly give them eleven eleven in six. You do realize they haven't won. Eleven games since nineteen ninety-one thirty years. They have played seventeen games. That's triple i understand that you really have them eleven six why i really do i i. I love the beach but For years you know. I've been a fan of offense passer. jim an opportunity insane. I think he would be the guy for the football team and if you really look at his patrick he's been in those unfortunate situations every year. It seem that he's all in up with the first piece. So you would assume they're taking they take a quarterback you go from from houston where they took some watson to new york where They took quarterback to tampa bay where they took winston miami where they took Sore so he's been unfortunate situations With with teams that were really taking in. Just one trying to win. You know if you look at Fitzpatrick before they benched him Thereby week he had the dolphin in contention for a playoff spot and all of a sudden they decide to go in a different ritual too. So i think you need a quarterback is going to be suskind. There's gonna be a go. Get a guy who doesn't care about turning the ball over or who's worried about his that or anything else so that being said i think the faster have self scheme so where he can handle the media he. He's not one of those quarterback that the media is going to affect him getting his head because of all. The situations already played through in look over quarterbacks that we're in the system or that were with this team and the media you know from from. Rg three kirk cousins to Haski there was always a media blitz. Around now with. Patrick i think he has an opportunity to go out and play football and he's loaded with western around the which we haven't seen weapons at the wire receiver physician in quite some time. You know you could always go back to pierre. Dj i think this worst single crew with the weapons that they possess could be wrong days. You're not trying to say that. The media impacted These these quarterbacks here that were were here previously in a negative way are you. You're not blaming the media for that. Are you know no. I'm not blaming in media for anything. I'm just saying it was always a media blitz around wherever quarterbacks bid that we here i'm not blaming the media for their play. I'm saying the media gathered should there. Hey it was always a pit you know getting. Rg three kurt. cousins situation. The media you know. Look at kirk cousins in The franchise tag the media. You know It was always immediately. Bit surrounded are surrounding. That played a part. So i'm not saying for their performance only field. I'm just saying in there. He you need a guy that's gonna be tough skin who doesn't care about what the headline say who doesn't care about blitz and glory and sane. Who's just going to play football. Because if you look at hispasat. He don't care about making a mistake in vets which we need a guy who's going to go out and say if i could throw four touchdowns and ended up throwing two interceptions. We win the game world for so. That's the type of quarterback you're leaving this. I mean that interviewing. Yeah i i mean i definitely think that ryan fitzpatrick would appear to be one of those guys who isn't gonna let the pressure of the position In any market bother him. And yes the pressure on. The quarterback of the football team in this town has always there. No matter who it's been over the years it's always been look. I don't know if it is anymore but for many years. Many people said the quarterback of the washington redskins is the second most important person in town. And it's debatable with the president of the united states. So there's always been you know that kind of spotlight put on the quarterback in some handle it well and some. Don't i would agree with you. Fitzpatrick seems to be the kind of guy that isn't going to give a shit one way or the other about what anybody says fans media or anybody else so that would be a good thing. You really are. And you have been a big ryan fitzpatrick fan before he got here. Why i just again. That's what i told you you look at the situation. He's been Throughout you look at houston you look at the jets. You look at the dolphins and look at the bucks and he. He gave them opportunities every season before. They drafted a quarterback. It was this already within the organization. Hey we're taking. We're going to get this guy. It disowned watson. come to texas sake as you know. darnold come available for the jets James come available for the books and then tour is sitting here for the dolphins. So you can't blame the patrick for those situations because the team decided to go another direction. He was just a gap filler again. Where it seems like. He's a gap filler here. But i think he actually has legit changes to be made so why though you know why haven't teams over seventeen years of his career committed to him and committed to building around him rather than looking at the first opportunity to replace him. I mean it's the same all the time. You're always looking. Four quarterback quarterback imports in no one realizes the weapons around the quarterback in all of those situations. Look at their weapons around those people at the time you know He'd never had wet in. I think you're going. He's going to a system where he has his opportunity to have weapons of seniors. Gather defensively. I could be one of the top three defenses in the nfl. So you're not sitting here words and all. This pressure is on meet office. And i don't have any health actually has helped on office inside the ball. You got something you'll give some G got wire a wire receiving core With theory at lead with samuel Dijon guys i actually think gandhi goes in should pop into the scene. So you have guys going to become playmakers. I love brown. You know so. You got five six receivers. All of us said where you didn't have you didn't have to previous for him. He never had a core received. I know you're but you're not answering the question. I asked you why. Didn't teams believe in him and then commit to building around him and giving him the weapons they always build on them. Things always like the shining new guy all of those guys rightfully so should have been replaced. I mean all of those guys should have been picked fitzpatrick faster. You don't disarm watson liquidate got beach. Sam darnold local jameis. Winston is still up for grabs but coming up the season that he came for. Fsu why wouldn't you say so. I think sam doing. I mean i think it's passer has been an organization that were going in a different direction. All head coaches in a new coach always want a new quarterback and something to play with so therefore he's unforeseen situations whereas here his intangibles been able to get the ball out of his co. having a rocket on thinking chances the smartest is they're asking him pete the redskins apart you know years ago he. They should've won a game in did but just the play that he had the play making ability that he gave the dolphin in that game. You know. I think he's smart enough to make the throws he know where the ball should go and now he actually has weapons giving i mean. I'm playing devil's advocate. But the truth is i sort of agree with you. I'm excited about him. I think it's a major upgrade of always kind of liked him. I thought miami had not decided organizationally to commit to a after the sixth game that they would have been a playoff team last year and he's playing the best football of his life he said last week. This is the best situation. He's been in in terms of a surrounding team That he's been sort of given the starting job to sort of admitted that you know he. I mean there's been discussion about a competition. There's no competition ryan fitzpatrick's going to be the starting quarterback But part of that supporting cast is what you've already referred to once and i wanna get into that and that is actually one more question about fitzpatrick. They took a big swing that we know of. And maybe a couple of others but they did make a big effort to try to trade for matt stafford. Would you prefer to have matt stafford ryan fitzpatrick a of course you say okay. All right so When that didn't work yes. I would disappointed with fetch. Of course you're going to shoot for stafford's you know staffer gonna come out. You're out give you four or five eleanor's whatever Throws for on a yearly. I think saturday a quarterback in the system again on the teams. That just didn't have a total team. He's always had you know. Can calvin johnson receives that he had but they didn't have a run a game the defense it wasn't a seam around him. Everything was now this is with him. I think you're gonna see a guy who could possibly be in the conversation for everything because they have. The core is a strong but they have they make lawsuit runaway So acl so. I think i think the rams Especially with their head coach. Sean mcveigh Tim stafford in a great position. But you look at as fitzpatrick. I don't see why teams jaw organizations. Keep looking at him like this is. This is a gap chiller when these guys actually playing at a high level and you can go back to tamper really seems other rise since tampere the confidence that he's been on with the opportunity that he guide you see where it's sword you know. You look at his especially since his statement his style. He doesn't care he's going out to play football and he's having fun sport so i wanna talk to you about the defense I think that the two big story lines going into training camp first of all Let me just mention. This is going to be a training camp in a season as for now For right now that is gonna be more about football than it has been in a lot of recent years a summer ago. Let's not forget it was the name that had just been lost. They were all the stories of sexual harassment yet. A coach that was on the verge of getting cancer yet. Alex smith and his whole situation. This is i think for the first time. A lot of people are focusing in on the football. Which is a good thing and think the two big story lines are ryan fitzpatrick. Is he the right guy. And i think it'd be hard to say that he he's not going to be an upgrade because the quarterbacking situation last year wasn't very good and then the defense. How good is it going to be really. And this is where clinton i would say to you and i want you to respond to this. It's got a lot of young talent. It's well coached much. Better coach than defensively. Our defensive defenses have been in recent years however with that said it was also a defense last year that while statistically it finished very high it it. It played a lot of backup quarterbacks. A lot of terrible offensive teams last year and the good teams the defence face last year. They didn't have great games. They gave up five hundred plus yards to tampa bay. They got run over by the buccaneers in the playoff game. Carolina ran the ball on them. I mean seattle ran the ball on him The giants beat them twice last year. Detroit beat him with stafford having a massive day. I know they've had william jackson the third. I'm excited about that. They drafted jamie davis. It's year two in the system. But how do we know for sure that this is going to be an elite defense. It was not elite last year it was improved and it was good. It was not a lead. Well i think sean was rookie. Last year all right. He's coming into his second year. We know what he's capable world He's a proven commodity You look at at davis you know going out getting davies guy whose side ryan the sidelines. it can can make plays. I remember watching him at kentucky. Come down hill. And i'm thinking windy consecutive the defense in it was really him on defense Head home in then. You lost landon collins last year so we get the The secondary you're inland in college. And william jackson beck The linebacker core you got you got fast Which are linebackers d. Line had the which would face of the scene last year comes back and feel like they're much improved so with that being said. I just feel this This defense in your two Norm where they're supposed to be knowing with acts of them We'll be much better. I think davis bring that much to the table that for for for one thing being able to have a linebacker that cover a tiny having linebacker that can cover a running back out the back through where you're not constantly shuffling guys on and off the field trying to find something in covers someone else though i think even month swith at a breakout season last year which is gonna be Even more now now your game plan for sweat and say shown almost kind of forget about those guys in the middle with allen. Payne i and ninety so you have a lot of tension is really just getting together and then another thing that people don't realize offense was was atrocious in some of those games and had to get off the field. They were three and now off. Delay lesher this year. I don't. I don't see a lot of three now with dispatcher. In i don't feel out of three and now Or i don't see the defense having to be on the field as much as they were less now. I think you have a balanced offense that could run the ball Thank you improve offensive line. Wise i think you're receivers are the the the receiver position totally upgraded This off season. So i feel like team gives you an opportunity to offer opportunities arrest in that happened in. I don't know how long you know normally is The defense trying to trying to spark and get also doing something this year actually with this offense has potential put points In sustained drives because fits. Passer can pick you apart going down the field taking little small dumps underneath in. We saw him do this. And miami alive so taking those take it was there This is not a guy that you could say. Oh you know what he can't over the the intermediate past or he's not throwing deep balls you know he. He's actor he can make any throat. So i expect for The team to be able to get out sustained rise. Get a defensive opportunity to rest in debts. Go to meet the defense much better. Clinton portis is joining us. Fifteen years ago. We'll get back to the team here in a moment in the league in the division fifteen years ago. You're with this football team that you are coming off the two thousand five season. Remember the playoff win at tampa The near playoff win at seattle. I still believe that. If carlos rogers hangs onto that pick six early in the game and you guys build attend nothing lead that that is basically the closest we have been to an nfc game in thirty years basically But the off season was off season. Where dan and vinnie went out and started spending a shitload of money on antwan randle el an atom march aleta traded for brandon. Lloyd they traded for tj duct before the season went on and on I i'm curious if you know that team fifteen years ago because i i've said that this that i think most fans are as optimistic about the team going into this upcoming season as they've been maybe since twenty thirteen you know after. Rg three year. And if not you'd have to go back fifteen years after that two thousand five season by the way. The last time this franchise wanna playoff game was fifteen seasons ago against the buccaneers and then nearly beating seattle year you. You're a big part of that team. You're on that team. Did you think that they were going a little bit. Too crazy in free agency and you know what do you remember about the end of the season seattle and then the off season that was super active but turned out turned out to be a bad off season. Well i think as you said you go back. Carlos pig of this at dickey's we can't change the trajectory All of the change that we had after this. Did you know. I think at that time. coach winning might be The one caller in plane. And i think after that season the team had come together in really bothering to coach gives knows downhill. Tough style of play. All of a sudden we changed we. We'd rather than new office coordinator inside the side without sons and The identity cheating went from like heart knows. We're tougher than and we're going to compete. We're gonna make sure we putting up on guys to now. Everyone's trying to figure out where they're shifting seats. You know The alzheimer's Often then i ended up getting hurt Random you know guys We may we may be expressions that we didn't need to make because you lose ryan clark reno's news Antonio kids Those two alone losing knows guys. I think we lost rob royal Smoot was already come or was still here. Smooth still there so you loss you also many guys that That that brought values to that locker room you know I think we lost dockery as well. So you lose these guys and you replace them guys who i just really didn't fit mold of what we already have. We lose ryan locker. And so you'll appears Dockery a young gary dockery You know you lose robber all and all of said you gotta new offense. You know cultures beginning to change. You know you go looking at these guys and says what he's going to be so special to we got you know we got his guy so see ryan clark. You know heart hidden ferocious safety in all of a sudden we ship you know. We shifted The pay and you go to out amour's letter who didn't pay you know. Everybody talked about The tackle tackle the hanes work. Everybody criticized hey you paintings work but arch letters you know arch another get paid in nut. He ran down special teams. You know So you look at a lot of those situations. They use it as like me. We had we had something specially. Oh five if we just really gotten another soon in oh six run it back. Then i think get hurt. In in the pre season down the interception against cincinnati rate wack game in the first one. You know You you make it. That seems as kinda phony went away from. The dell was the one who hasn't had a great year for other than that we have so much duckie tune out Arch another. They can now be loy. Who i thought was the best for aging Acquisition at that time. The coaches understand. You know be law with such different cat that our coaches didn't understand how to communicate with him well how to use him because he wasn't a practice player because he wasn't the guy who you know that he he was a different kind of do in our closest staff couldn't relate thing you know. I don't even think seen really understood him. That was our while seems close but on the field beat law has been making plays out and say a friend at the time. That were you know. Top highlight every week and all of a sudden we didn't and we can't even get in the ball. You know and i i think it was They didn't they didn't like how be lloyd Kinda you know made it obvious to quarterback made a bad throw a set of him trying to run the route out like he's looking at the ball like who you throw it to. You know our he was stopped on his route. It was just one of those situations. They didn't understand him. I should they be law. wasn't heller routinely in a playmaker. We use them and we didn't use him correctly. We were trying to get random. Live to be an egg sector often in. That wasn't even going. You know we. We went from chuck knows to with quirky. Like we're trying to do. Don't know what we try to do. But yeah i i. I mean that that year was one of the more frustrating years. Because i just remember thinking after two thousand five for someone like me who had lived through the gibbs era of winning super bowls and being a contender every year. It was the second year we had won a playoff game and it was like. Wow here we go jo's about to really get it going again and two thousand six was a disaster and i i agree with you too. I think joe for whatever reason. I think he lost confidence. Offensively that the you know the years that he had been out of football the eleven twelve years. He had been out of football that it had passed him by a little bit and yet in two thousand five you were back to the way that he was playing and it was a tough physical brand of football in you know. It wasn't the way you were running in denver but you were still incredibly effective And you know we had tough hard nosed guys. And i think he lost confidence. Which is why you brought al saunders in and it was a big mistake. That was definitely a mistake. That was a move that we did it. We should to make you know. We didn't make that move which totally changes the office In changed a lot of roles within often. So i think when when we're al came in He came in like this offense like we got this this outstanding. We're gonna shift and we're going to do this. Guy's like man we like we buying up and get down hill. Like we're we're smashed mile you know in by the time you shift from the right side line to the left sideline to come back motion. They run a sweep shit. I couldn't even breathe. You know one of those ones though situations that that was. That wasn't the move at that time. Paolo how many pages was the playbook remember. There was this rumor that it was. I forget how many p- it was a huge labor hurry. It wasn't shoes playboy in. It was like all shifts and this guy goes into here and this guy come in motion and then we run the play back to the other side like it was so it was just one of those situations that you didn't buy into a you know. Unfortunately i got hurt in again. Ladele had an outstanding year With it you know it. Ladele have outstanding in six with it and then we lost the deal you know he goes to the same Rock was in a situation that unfortunately they brother. Tj decade so rock night man. They doing over me. You know in one of those that bones to the team. That did everything any and everything that he can possibly do and researcher for opportunity. And then you go out. And you pay tj duck-ish who gave us nothing you know It was one of those chains. The change the culture in the locker room for the role reasons. I think we lost We lost leviathan. That as well so it was so much going on within the locker room within the feed because guys were just like just jelly you go from that oath forest season to say we were on the cuss weekend out You go back to that. Green bay game. Oh four that we had the game when the us now they call james. I mean james dress arash rawson. Yes so you go back to that changes in the every game after. That was kinda less position game. Although i record didn't show we fault you know. And then that that oath five seasons where everyone counted us out in all saying we go on the run and we did. We went on the run as a team and we begin the enjoy each other as a team and then we had that much change in our locker room to keep people. You know Losing again ryan clark. Losing in tonio fears. Those guys went on to become kathy's of championship thing. You know we had that you know locker room you lose or bars you lose You lose Rob roy would you lose dockery. They bro jew come in the locker room like who. Is this dude lake. Who was he when you're used to seeing a guy that you know you could count on depend on in. That was going to go out leaving on the field. You know by the way just The end of that two thousand four season. Gibbs's i back you know the year that started with your touchdown run against tampa on the first play from scrimmage You're right that team. And i remember thinking at the end of the year. This is typical of gibbs's teams. They've got you know they. They're playing their best football at the end of the year. They're still fighting for a playoff berth. Even though you guys were eliminated but it was a good carryover. The game that year was the final game. When minnesota came to fedex had to win to make the playoffs and you guys beat him and randy. Moss walked off the field before the end of the game. You remember that. Yeah i do you know in that game Coming to the stadium. I remember Close gears now. You're not playing this game. I'm like what you know like. We gotta win game. This is one of those situations. And i didn't even play in their final game. You know Like you said you look at scene in that scene had bothered to in it showed the following season. Where guys came together. The you go have the glass. a change. everything was stolen changed the locker room. Yeah i mean. I i i think that two thousand the two thousand six season really was A game changer when things when the arrow was pointed up And i mean we can. We can point to several examples of that over the years. All right i want. I've got a few more questions for you. 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Promo code kevin dc importances women on the podcast today Maybe we'll talk about some other sports because clinton's always into other sports as well but I'm an asha personal question. If you don't want to answer it that's fine. I'm just curious. Have you gotten vaccinated. Are you going to probably just. Don't i don't see the for one. I've had covert i. Hey kobe last year. October and after experiencing cove it To just detroit here of this. Vaccination was not something i wanted to jump will like. No you don't have enough Research to give you don't have an answered again. And then once. I begin to think about taking the fact to all of the sudden you come up with all of the incentives with scared me off like when did they start giving incentives for you to do something you know what i mean like all of these incentives actually scared me when they start o'hare trying to get you in and doing xyz that scared so you start seeing supposedly all the decider cakes you know. the issues that people were having the guests. You know surrounded the vaccine in As much as people say oh man you gotta take this vaccine everybody by the response. I've never been one of those guys that get c- can stay suit you know. I don't have a lot of colds. Or i mean like i don't take medicine and all of that so it was just one of those. Let me see the fake. So i know people that is taking it. That you know felt fine. I know people that are taking it that that has side effects that last. You know so for me. It was one of those. I think it was happening so fast. It was too much more. No i've already had it so you know. I'm willing to take my chances so offended that i haven't been in the position to be around a lot of people i haven't been out and about or going through stations or locker will meet i. I'm not gonna sit here and and and try to suggest in in talk you into getting the vaccine. That's not why i asked you that. I asked you that. And i didn't know the answer because i'm wondering Now that you've told me that you're not vaccinated and that you're hesitant to get the vaccine if you are an nfl player right now and the nfl put out that memo last week talking about you know significant punishment slash consequences to teams who you end up. Having games postponed or cancelled or forfeited due to unvaccinated players. Where players whether they're vaccinated or not won't get paid if a game. Forfeits teams will get fine significantly for games. That are lost due to having high on vaccination rates. If you're on a football team right now and into the league was pressuring you and there. Was you know the economic consequences financial consequences potentially If your team lost a game would you get vaccinated for your in in that situation. I think i think they get mishandling of it was. You should require that from from the beginning. You don't give guys choice in then force it on if that was a requirement then say hey is mandatory to take the shot instead of saying well you know if you wanna take such you can. If you don't you don't have to and then you come back like no you're gonna take the shot. Ever give them the option to take a shot. You know should be mandatory from the beginning in. Did you wouldn't be coming into the season in this opportunity or having missed of a situation where guys say. Hey you know what. I don't wanna take the shot for whatever. Reason are coaches walking out and coaches. Losing their jobs coaches moving. No because they don't want you could require the shot. When i became available if they they mandated that if they mandated it would you have taken it. If they had said you have to take it as they have not mandated it yet. They've just pressured teams to pressure their players to understand that there could be a significant consequence for teams that aren't vaccinated at a high. Enough percentage that lose games if it were mandated. If they said you have to take it. Or you can't play. would you've taken it. If they would've mandated in the beginning. Then maybe i would have. But when they didn't mandate in the beginning you gave guys opportunity to make a decision. And now you're coming back saying well i change my mind. You have to take like you. Can't that's like you're trying to punish your kids. Tell them it's okay to do something. And then you go and changing up there like that like whether you don't you know so it was. Just one of those situations. I think they should have mandated in the beginning in the. You wouldn't have missed that you're about to have at this point. But would you take it. They mandated if you were a player and they mandated. They required it at the beginning. Would you have taken it. Probably because i knew. I would have known that that point lake. They're doing this for us to get back on the field. They're doing this for us as teams like everyone is gonna be in this position. This is how we're going to get back on the field. Now you guys check the safety precautions and took every measure and then you still have people getting sick. That's taking the shot you know. You have a lot of the nba guys. That took the shot that that had chris. Paul you know during the finals are doing the play. Offs came down covert. He's had shut so what's to say that the side is safety before any of the Before any of the research came out on the side in the negative you know the negative Constant came out from behind the shot. You should i guess they could be. Yeah i mean you do know right that there are different efficacy rates for the different vaccines. The one shot. Johnson johnson only has a seventy five percent efficacy rate whereas the moderna and the pfizer have ninety five percent rates a lot of the recent outbreaks. Like the one with the yankees. Apparently a lot of the players had the one shot jane. J. there's also clinton again. I don't wanna get into this conversation but if you're vaccinated the cia. The the chances of getting sick are much reduced seriously sick but to be fair also for a young person. That's fit athlete the chances that they'd get seriously ill from covert are pretty remote anyway It just you know it just lowers it even further so let's get back to football here for a moment Do you think the eleven in six that you predicted washington would finish. Wins the division over the cowboys giants in eagles. I think hello repeat questions. Do you think you've already said washington's gonna go eleven and six this year. Do you think that that is a division winning eleven in six or is it just a wildcard eleven and six. Are they better than the cowboys or not. I think they are Again cowboys that back offense is really stone but decent Six some blows you. They lost some corners What was that last year. So that Has taken a step back. She does look at the eagles With their quarterback visit is up with graphic. You know you don't know how going hurt you just yawning. I didn't know you don't know how zalin hurt is gonna go out. You know up. Listen up night. It was one of those yards from taco fast. So but You look at look at jalen hurts that often the running back position You know the tightening and one of the office of line is way older. You know their defense isn't the same decent you know from From from a couple of years ago. So i i think the giants would be retained close. That would be contingent upon saquon his health so Dana zones and you got receivers up in new york and guy you know. Their defense is kinda young. Which makes them dangerous. you know. They have seen smooth in just being right if they click on defense and they they could possess are become a problem so i think we will be. I'm with you on the giants being maybe a little bit underrated undervalued. I think the key to them is barkley being healthy and apparently he's gonna start this training camp and the preseason on the pup list that sort of a shame for them because they missed him last year you know they. I mean last year the division right if the giants had barclay or the cowboys had prescott one of those two teams probably win the division. You know certainly if the cowboys have prescott they win the division. They finished a game behind washington. They would have won more than six games with prescott even with that defense and i think if the giants had had barkley they would have won one more and they. They swept washington last year. I i think the giants are one of those teams that could be sneaky. If daniel jones is the right guy. I i haven't given up on him. Have you given up him. I just don't think he had the weapons you know. Put them in a situation And we took the weapons or the weapons got injured so You know going golladay and other receiving core they have now. I think him some weapons on the outside. You're in england could possibly be one of the better tiny in the nfl. Nothing again saquon back. Who was second pekinese wrath That changes the weapons around days. Now a matter of staying healthy and have an office of line is is the next question so It's a lot of questions up in new york but they have the potential wealth everything on this morning. There was a report that the texans are. Now willing to trade to shawn watson Teams have have started to do their research on what kind of situation he's going to be in whether or not the league is going to put him on the exempt list. Whether or not they're going to suspend them what sort of implications there are to future civil trials. are not criminal trials but their civil trials um that he will still have to You know deal with potentially starting early next year If you're washington. Let's specifically talk about washington because they have to have a long-term answer quarterback even though you and i both like ryan fitzpatrick in the short term. Would you be in the market for shawn watson. Yes i would be because you have the gang fitzpatrick get something happens to watch over the next year to you already. Have galaxies bachelor who can hold it down in my. You're saying okay. Maybe he was suspended for a year or whatever happened. You know you go ahead and let his patrick holy down past the show watson coming of they were after he serves his suspicions. Go i just don't understand why the and didn't trade you know didn't make his tray when his value was high like. Why did all of this happening decrease the value will. They didn't know this was going to happen. Do you think they knew this was going to happen. Walls i think they knew they. A story of this magnitude come about they had no clue. You know early on you. Were supporting him early. On your all that training you're not interested in training and then all of a sudden the story comes about out of nowhere But you have all the accusations. That weren't charging you know like it was. It was about money from the start so if it was about money from the stars someone new this like it had been offers made to keep quiet to pay me before it ever came about you know so. I just feel like a lot a lot that we don't know Fishy situation and I hope that is not true. Hope of for the sun. And i understand. It is true for the victims. You know if it's true victims Had something on why not you know like why not go for the criminal side of things you know. So that's a whole entire situation. You don't have not one criminal charge crested you. This is all about silk. You know this is all about getting money. So agit on saying how i mean i having a masseuse can you know so well. He's he's he clearly he clearly at the very least even if there wasn't anything criminal he's got a serial you know massage happy ending. You know situation going on nobody. Has that many places that they go to unless they got a real issue. That's come meet me like i don't this. The number of the number of lawsuits got up to like twenty four women. Some that claim that he they were his mystique massage therapists. That's a lot of massage therapists even for a professional athlete. Isn't it exactly. Yeah we're talking to someone who get get a massage every week or every two weeks in. I've been massage every week. Or every two weeks from mclean career. So in i still haven't come across that many masseuse the neither when when asked Then people you know like why. Aren't you getting bad. Ratings warranty coming back wise. Nothing being safe you know as time. I just find that strange hours a day. I don't know what happened. This is a situation situation. Would you give up. Three ones and montas sweat. Form right now I think it'd be tough for anyone. Give up three ones right now. Because you don't know what the cop let's say you do. Yes i agree with you on that. Let's see say you do your due diligence. You do your research. You find out that you know. He's been really working on this. He's got a therapist not a massage therapist but a psychotherapist helping him get through this that these civil trials may end up in him paying out some money but other than that. You know He's gonna be the player that he's been and he's gonna be maybe get suspended. Four games this year But that's it you. Are you giving up three. I montas sweat if you're comfortable that the this can. This can be something in the past with him. I'm not click if this if this would this would happen before any of this for any accusation. Came if i would have had to make this straight when it first came available. Yes it was in the note bring outta gave up either. Gave up three first rises and in much. Wait no problem here you go like how. How quick can we get this done. I won't even let the ink draft in. We're now you know but now in this situation. I think it's hard to give that okay. But you but you'd still be interested in trading for him but now you give up less because you think that his values been lessened. Even if you feel comfortable about him. I would probably give up two first round. Pick for right now. i can look to first round. I wouldn't give up sweat. You know. I wouldn't give up sweat and i wouldn't give up three but that would get i don't get i around. I'm with you. I said at the time. I would give up three i and i would even give chase young. I think you and i had this conversation. You disagreed with me on that. But if if if they had to shawn watson before all of this happened if to shawn watson was their starting quarterback right now they'd be the number two pick in the nfc to go to the super bowl behind tampa bay. If they had aaron rogers it would be the same exact thing if not almost the favourite to go to the super bowl. What do you think happens with aaron rodgers. Do you think he plays this year or not. They keep playing this year. I don't know if it's in green bay again. Another situation that. I think you get out of heating. Now's you have air rod and devante atoms that that are unhappy with their organization in the front office. All of sudden this organization goes from one of the better organizations in sports. People love to go the green bay people love the experience of the town The fans or probably some of the nicest fans nfl. It's all of a sudden. No one wants to be there. You're losing in rogers. You're losing davante adams like that's a tough situation you know for Those people are like guys in in in wisconsin. You know another situation. I think we've mishandled. Should've been taken care of earlier. You know what i think in rows plays i just don't Gac coming off a season like that actors. You know you totally blew it in draft the quarterback that hasn't either sniffed at this like just feel and you're talking about they're still looking for quarterback so obviously this kid wasn't the incident you know they're still searching around trying to find another quarterback just in case Rogers don't show up so this kid wasn't the answer in the first place you have you have there and you're not ready to turn over the reigns on after you drafted him. In the first arouses saying. Listen to be bro late cycle receiver giving me some off. Held like address. This is you ignored it. you know. And now that he's unhappy and now he's trying to force his way out. Now you have once they add them to wanna leave. You know you're losing to to with the best players in the nfl to the best players in nfl. like that's substance. Would you give up three first. Montas sweat for aaron rodgers right now. Rogers committed to a contract extension of another three years. So you had them for five years. He owned the plane. They all deal already done meta of i give up five. 'cause i'm trying to get devante adams to argue at five i and whoever else they won't all right. Would you give up. Give up three. I and chase young aaron rodgers right. Now i'll have to of course work in. I don't want people to get confused. Would you give up three first rounders and chase young today for aaron rodgers. Shift that no. Yeah exactly you want. I love you. I'm not you know it's so funny. 'cause i've done this segment on radio with calls. I can't believe how many people wouldn't do it. I'm like are you insane. We would be for the next three four years super bowl contenders. There's no guarantee that they're going to be that. Even if ninety nine the best defensive football player in the league look von miller and bradley chubb on the same team. They haven't gone to the playoffs since two thousand fifteen. So no that that is chase. God i love you. And i hate doing this but twelve come into my team is going to be my quarterback. It's easy were. I'm them in the eyes and tears and joy and tears and says eight minutes to do. But i have to. You know this is the situation Once in a lifetime. And i gotta move on you know. This is one of those do for him type situation. And i gotta i gotta make make that. What do you want. The team's new. Named be i hate that is not going to washington football team. I just make it. You know once you once you come up with a A new name can again. It kind of removes the redskins History you know those those guys. The woods. Zo thighs are going. Who spent his entire career. You know those those guys when you look all of a sudden like what what do they relate to. What what do they tie in. You know is going to be hard to have have redskins somewhere else. You know when you have a big Wherever you have we we're talking about former players or having clears around the organization. I just thinking change. That's one of those another one substance situations that you like. Oh man we got. We got dark green in doug williams and the is in you know dexter manley all these guys that meant so much to the sitting in you know that name change. That just don't seem right when you're looking at those guys Standing on the field this thing on the sideline calling him the red wolves where the you know the monuments yeah. I'm with you on. That clinton is always so generous with his time at. I appreciate it so much You're always easy and it's always fun Having a lengthy conversation with you about a lot of different things. I we were going to get into some nba. I'll just tell you. I loved the nba playoffs. So i'll ask you. Did you feel the same way. Did you like them or not. I do you know i. It was great because all the guys have an opportunity to look at trae young. I think he became a household name. you know you look it And yon in. How exactly he was you know. Pj tucker Get an opportunity to get out of houston and go going become so important. you know. Devon booker is now a household name as well. Chris paul given the opportunity to play in the finals. You know he didn't win it but having an opportunity to play in the finals. Pg actually sewing what he's capable of without having another guy you know. I think a lot came out of those finals. A lot of people who are themselves rights. And say i'm the main you know gene hadn't been the same. Pg in the air in. He has an opportunity to showcase his his real salary. I think they would can get hurt. I think they would have wanted. I if if pg play it the way that he played without kuwa- yup. I would say that. But i don't see him. Playing that way of kawai was there. You know I think he would have had to defer to kawai but being that he didn't have. I think that seems are paula. George actually raises level of shocked himself to the realization. Like i'm still like i'm. I'm still that that that guy you know so I think a lot of stories storylines came out of the playoffs. You get so many guys in our to become obvious. That y dame news is straight you gotta give dame's some health I think you know him going to taoist. Luca would be probably do. How about here with real happen. I think bill going to be all thing building. John so you look at those teams and you figure out who could go where who could do. Who could help out. I think bill's going to utah. Would be all well bill in utah in or even going i. I don't really care about what i would like to see. Is i would love to see you know for once somebody come here like The trade i. I was gonna talk about this in the last segment but i'll do you instead Beal apparently the reporting is very There's a lot of different reporting. Some people saying that build does is not going to ask for trade but in the but in the meantime a lot of people you know the warriors the the raptors the lakers there are a lot of teams that are very interested in trading for bill. And if if he's not gonna play here beyond next year than the team should trade him because they can get so much back for him right now but if i were washington i would love to figure out a way to get like damian. Lillard here for westbrook Because i think lillard and beal and hot chamara continues to get better. I think that's a team. Now that can win a series or two in the east it may not be able to win a championship and that's the ultimate goal but the team is currently constructed. Might not even be able to win a series. They might get to the playoffs as a succeed or seven seed but they're not gonna win when series with westbrook and beal. They lillard beal combination. I would love that but lillard doesn't wanna come here for some reason. Nobody wants to come here. I don't understand why that is. Because i think you know it's a great place to live but Yeah i if bill wants to go they got a trade them right now right before this draft on thursday they've got a trade them feel like bill has has with through so many coaches staff. That if you're going to bring a coaching bill. This is such a huge Guy you know Within that organization that if you're bringing in a new coach and you're starting over like give us coaching opportunities to say. Hey let me start with this young kid and let me start with some graphics and guys that i can develop a less move bill. Not because he's not a great salad but just to give you know just a fair opportunity because of bill going to always loom larger. Didn't that coach coaches were in what he's trying to do. Bilking always over south of that so therefore i feel if bill is opportunity to move own To go somewhere else and westbrook this komo mean you're talking about westbrook you can't win westbrook westbrook's did to their favor by come. The more you know The organization the way he played the heart they show because they put some lineups due to injury or whatever they put some lineups out that didn't didn't stand chains but they went out competed. You know they had some dog in They play they play hard. I think so. I wanna see westbrook. Go somewhere where he gets a fair thing you know where he gets an opportunity In miami are Somewhere where he can go with. Appreciate it because At the scene like he he can maybe four or five years after me. I won't and swore five years to be rockstar. And so anyway chris. Paul found the home thing you know. I won't whisper going get that kind of. Don't get me wrong. He's been one of my favorite players for a long period of time. But i just think that the last couple of years. What i've come to realize about russ is that you know he's phenomenal And he is you know a a stat sheet stuffer. But i'm not saying that in a critical way he does everything and he can lead you and can incan. Be the best player on a team. That wins forty eight forty nine fifty games. But when you get to the post season in that season slows down In postseason game. Slow down a little bit. I think you see it gets much harder to win with westbrook. They had a chance against philadelphia in the opening series. Clinton you know embiid was out that game. They could have made it a three two series and they got the shit kicked out of him and it was just you know i. I love him like nobody tries harder than any professional athlete in the last ten to twelve years than russell westbrook. I love everything about him. But i don't think you can win title if he's one of the best players i don't what he's always going to be one of your best players because he's your best so Everybody isn't admitted to win. Titles chris haven't worn one. James harden hasn't won one so there's a lot of guys with no titles but Westbrook he's also. He blesses as give off that he got those players. I'm looking for so just finding him. You know i think it's fair for him. I think it's fair to coach. Storiesofinnovation justify him home that You know put him with the grizzlies and somebody. You know somewhere where he can excel with young guys. That are on the cusp of taking off. Even think he could be dallas. I go thank you for spending this much time with meal. Talk to you soon. Clinton portis i always enjoy my conversations with clinton i've mentioned this before Over the years is really a pleasant person to have these conversations with an always always available in generous with his time. So i appreciate that eleven in six. He's got him at eleven and six There's another report about bradley. Beal just came out. I'll also talk some nets in our final segment right. After these words from a few of our sponsors sports are more than stats and scores there about people and stories. The lead is a daily sports. Podcast from one dri and the athletic it dives into the biggest sports stories of the day as told by one of the athletics reporters who is covering that story up close for the next few weeks. The lead is turning. Its attention to the race for gold in japan. They'll be covering stories like this seventeen year old. Who broke a you sane bolt record also at the games who is and who isn't a woman what life is like as a trans athlete. 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That said a was considering going to the team and asking for trade if they do trade them. There is a huge market for him. There will be a bidding war for bradley beal. There isn't a player in wizards history. That could bring back as much as bradley. Beal could bring back in a trade Why do you train them. We'll because he has one full year left on his contract and then the year after this upcoming season he's got a player option so he can opt out after the upcoming season. Become a free agent and you get nothing for him. This is a big time draft according to most loaded in the lottery and you could get a ton of picks including multiple lottery picks by dealing him Before thursday night. I think you have to go to him as somebody you know very well. You drafted you've got a close relationship with them and you've got to be up front with him and you have to say we need to know what you're going to do after this upcoming season. If you're going to leave please give us an indication of that now if you are we need to trade you now because we need to get a lot back for you so that we can start over without you rather than being in this situation a year from now where we get nothing back. Hopefully the relationship is close. Enough were beal would say You know at the very least. I can't tell you that right now but the possibility exists that i will opt out of that player. Option bottom line is if there's a possibility of it you gotta move on from him right now and you gotta get as many pictures you can. This is not a team where bradley beal as your best player. You're ever going to contend for an nba title. If bradley beal is your second best player and you've got a different number one. Not named westbrook is. Bill is better of the two players There's a chance that you can go deep into the postseason you know as we were discussing last segment with clinton i think if lillard were teamed up with beal and hot summer developed and denny abdi was good and gaffer turned out to be a big rockstar as a defensive center. You know you can win fifty something games and you can win two series and you can be on the brink of a team that that could get to an nba finals But not as currently constructed. You've got a trade him if there's any chance you're gonna lose them after next year. Second topic the nats. They got swept in baltimore over the weekend. I was at the game saturday night. God camden yards. Is such a great ballpark As it always is it was a beautiful night max. Scherzer was supposed to pitch. He got scratched with a triceps injury. A jesse dougherty was on the radio show earlier today. You can hear that interview at the team. Nine hundred dot com or downloading the odyssey app but the The gist of it was his story. Wasn't a game story. This morning was very interesting. They they lost in dramatic fashion in the bottom of the ninth inning. Brad hand gave up two runs. There was a close call at the plate For the walk-off At the end of the game orioles win the game five four. That wasn't his story. The story was when you lose to the orioles three in a row you get swept in baltimore by the worst team in the american league and you're five days away from the trade deadline. The discussion is who are you going to sell. And to whom. And what are you going to get back. That's the conversation now about the nationals. They had that very Difficult portion of the schedule which included the dodgers and the giants and the padres in two different series and they knew that was going to be problematic but they really thought that coming out of the other side of the all star break with games against the marlins in the orioles they could right the ship in in six games against the marlins and the orioles you go five and one in a worse case foreign to. Maybe you're thinking differently boat when you go to and four is they did and you lose four in a row the last one of the marlins in dc and then three to the worst team in the american league even though they are starting actually to get a little bit healthier with joe ross. Coming back with gums. Perhaps back soon with maybe shorter back in a week or so ensures or not. Having a serious injury there was a setback for strasbourg. But even with that forty five and fifty three eight games below five hundred eight games back of the mets. You are what your record says you are. I'm you're not very good. And even when healthy they were much better offensively and they put together that one stretch of really good baseball There are three teams in front of you even though none of those three teams are dominant. And you have so many matchups with all of those teams the mets the braves and the phillies the rest of the way I do see the nats punting on the season here And making trades in the three names that will be mentioned the most over the next several days if not hours are max scherzer Daniel hudson too key players obviously off of the world series team And maybe even brad hand and josh harrison they'll get a bunch of prospects back Back for for those players names that most of you including me won't be familiar with I do trust mike. Rizzo and a lot of these situations. It's just a shame that a team has had these many This many injuries the injuries of really hurt without the injuries. They're you know maybe therefore four back and you're not really talking this way. If they took two of three from the orioles over the weekend it might feel differently If you're playing contrarian there's still a lot of games left obviously sixty four of them for the nats and they're in a division that has the worst record leading any division in the bigs with the mets. Just eight games over five hundred so you know theoretically if you've got healthy you you could get back into this thing. But they just haven't been healthy in the truth is they haven't been very good so i would expect them to be sellers. Last topic the olympics. I went to watch france in usa. Play men's basketball yesterday morning at eight. Am and it wasn't on nbc. And then i looked forward on. Cnbc alec ford on msnbc elected for a look forward on all of this channels. And then then i went to peacock and it was available but it was only available if you paid. Four dollars and ninety nine cents for peacocks. Monthly premium subscription service which. I have regular peacock. I don't have premium peak peacock as an xfinity customer which i am you get peacock. But you don't get the premium that was frustrating I'm not going to pay a anything Four ninety nine as a nominal monthly fee. I certainly understand that. It's not the dollar amount. It's almost the principal on i'm interested. I wanna watch men's basketball and the olympics. It's one of the one of the things that i enjoy about the summer olympics But i'm not gonna pay for it They lost to france. The game was on tape delay later on in the afternoon. I actually watched the last five minutes of it sort of flu. Cash in some ways How france on there was a a missed layup by go where worry threw it over his head backwards. And then there was a loose ball at ended up in evan. Forty hands any. Knock down at three There are some issues you can see it offensively. In particular lots of threes they made threes and the us team did not but the overall olympic television experience. Right now is painful man. I didn't know anything about three on three basketball. I guess it's been a sport and the olympics for awhile. I didn't remember it from the last one which is now five years ago The way that you consume this thing is Made very difficult or the challenge in consuming is made very difficult by nbc. I'm sure it's not an easy solution. It's a logistical nightmare. With all of the sports and all of the different channels. If it were me i would just stick to. Nbc for the things that matter. And that is gymnastics. Women's gymnastics track and field and basketball. Just leave that on nbc. Let everybody know. It's there on nbc rather than having to get onto some schedule thing and figure it out. I may sound like an old guy. Get off my lawn. Okay boomer but i'm telling you i think it's very And i'm not technologically Idiotic by any stretch of the imagination especially when it comes to you know a consumer electronics in television in consuming Sports in any way that you can consume it and you could download the nbc sports app and watch the basketball live that way which i ended up doing for a brief period of time But all of these different sports all of the different basketballs. You know the three on three in the men's and the women's in whatever i mean i don't know maybe they've got free throw shooting as an as an olympic sport now. It's really hard to follow where these things are and when they're on I just got. I'd love to know how. Nbc does with this thing. We've we already know from tommy. The nightmare that is hosting the olympics. 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2002 Week 01: Steelers @ Patriots

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2002 Week 01: Steelers @ Patriots

"This is Christine Brown and while I have to listen to this podcast. As my motherly duty, you have the choice not to my son's sometimes say some naughty things where they're trying to be funny, but really they're just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead I am not your mother. Welcome back! Loyal listeners. Keep listening. Keep doing this and now we're doing a second season. This is the two thousand two NFL season and we're starting here week. One Patriots Banner Night's. Opening their new stadium with a skip debris, season or what? Did you wash a preseason? I watched every game. On kmby, grow Han. Davies Future. Let. Let's back a little bit because we could talk about some offseason stuff censuses week one. There were some there was some big changes in the off season. The biggest one being drew bledsoe is no longer a New England patriots. and has gotten traded to the bills. Light Up Green your don't. Going up north to the buffalo is an Orchard Park. New York Yep wider pastures. Of Greenery happening up, there don't think but I'm sure we'll see him. A in future episodes, but yeah, let's talk about S-. Off Season what happens, there was. Some interesting. There wasn't really anybody else who got. Glenn CEO Ida. Off to the packers which we talked about the office in our. Last season with the the bi week deep dive Atari Gwen. We're actually. And not well on the packers I don't think but then. We'll get back to his normal. Productive self when he would reconnect with bill. parcells on the cowboys Andrew Buds triplets as well. Yes, he would, also you yeah, they would all get back together gang. Also big loss Rod Rutledge the was he the leading tight end. In two thousand one I think he may have. Deals because he was the only tied achy colony until the playoffs. Role True, then our boy. Way Germain wigand. What does he do connery now. is He still on the radio? Hey. I think? I know I. Don't think it's on radio. I think he's on the wait. Is Wigan on math I thought he was on like one of those late nights. He knows on Boston side I think he was on the morning. Show took over for Who is the racist Tahhan? Yeah. Yeah I think he took over for him at races. Talk show host in Boston yeah. They brought in. They got well as him and whoever the other guy was. Who was always Minahan? Yeah, I liked million. He to. he got old fast for me. He was a good interview he was. He was a really good interviewer though I mean he did not pull any punches. It didn't matter who they were interviewing. He he was. He was pretty solid. Yeah! He left to start his own podcast on Barstool so now it's They got the guy from Af. The morning shows Naef. Greg Hill Yeah Greg Greg. I'll just keep doing your job Andy Iskoe. This is this is what we do we. I I haven't listened to. The Guy just haven't listened to much IAE. Lately. Like the guy then. The bosses talk talking all. It's fucking worst awful it so much better. What he says that in North Carolina, it's hilarious. Elect the hurricanes dropped another one, but you know they'll get next game. All right, not just because they're negative about a different team. They're just less negative in general. Oh Yeah. Yeah last native across the boy, they even like make fun of Boston sports daily segment of like his off Mawson's warts radio. It's hilarious. We should do that and just have connor on. Two Bills Bills Radio is pretty good too You Got Brendon. Obviously, I have to hear you know. Ricochet Bills Radio from time to time and. God the Depression in their voices. And and and the lack of optimism. Fell draft? Tragedy born. I know joked about doing a browns on Brown's podcast, but I think that'd be really interesting just to hear how. Cleveland Sports. Is there Cleveland Sport Soccer Radio. Court sure there is yeah. You think you're going to have it just like. At this point now browns hardcore. Just like bill like Buffalo Sports Radio. You know you know sneaky depressed Detroit. I don't think that's very sneaky. Detroit Cleveland Right there. That little pocket who voice pocketed sadness rust, belt. What else we got from the off season. The draft who draft yeah. I know. Connor has thoughts about this draft. Does, he want couldn't wait to share why INCR- earlier. What an incredible draft I mean! Out Row Han, Davey or anti and Antoine Roma Womack. And I mean that just looking at knowing what we know now and seeing their careers. Incompletion. Daniel Graham, Jarvis, Green Dion branch, and then David Givens in the seventh. Yeah, that's. Was He'll. Pick, she. Yeah, he. Thing! How many he had so many big catches for than those the two thousand and three in two thousand four season, but yeah, what a what a steal! You're just Mr Reliable Tom. Who's the guy that moved the chains? Every time ahead is Jersey. David Given searcy Yep. Rail any hasn't. Heard! Like, never played again. Your Fault Yeah Yeah. and. And even like Jarvis Green, he was. He was never a superstar, but he was solid for years and he was. Just is a really really really good draft, obviously beyond being the highlight dion branch being the highlight. As true I think the the newspapers were were big on. The Patriots drafting their drew bledsoe replacement in Rohan, Davey. They were big fucking Van Hab. Yeah or ANAHUAC at arm. Yeah I I! Remember people were gushing Ram. Jamaican! Born in Jamaica. Really Wow got a roster quarterback. Arena. Arena League legend to. Was He I think he played a couple of years. I'm surprised at how many people were discovering who? Spent time in the NFL. And now we got to bring it back corner. Have you heard of the L. A.? Okay, so? Andy told me one of you guys doing like a spotlight. On it after your interview with Matt Chatham House. Them Chatham Matt Chatham. You're not from around here. Asked. Kid All right. Chatham. Sorry about that pojects no I really I I have no idea I have no idea anything about it I. didn't even look into it. I figured you guys. We're going to talk about it. You have to listen to the episode that comes out. We cap for two hours. Fire Season of the show. I watched ten episodes. Of like. A hard knocks version of for arena football. Team sponsored by. The Rock. Band is that what it is that what it is. Is it like a scene similar oh. Okay. Okay I think I could get behind I think. I could get behind this race electric. Highly recommend speaking of Titans Kiss has some tight end though. Some other. In Free Agency the Patriots seem to want to address the tight end position this year since I didn't have one the year before brought in Cam Cleland from the saints. And our all our altering Christian foyer from the seahawks. You start on the Seahawks, isn't he? Now, it's not worth it. Yeah I remember I remember. Looking at briefly and he didn't do much. Oh fucking hell. He played on the seahawks fire since ninety five to two thousand and one Jesus Christ. I thought he was younger than that when he came to the Patriots, not. Only he's not Christian. He's Jewish. Seven years with the seahawks. Seven touchdowns four years with the Patriots. He caught thirteen, so remember that time that he was suspended from. For Making Fun of Don Yee I do remember that. Speaking via. I. Mean that that's kind of what happens. Is that the sports agent is it. Is They Don. YIKES! Worry. I have a trivia question for yes. Alright who caught more balls in yards? Cam, Cleland and this year or the costs in the past year. Oh Fuck Cam Cleland Damn clue. He already catch like two balls in the first game. Yeah. He had six catches. I, think this game. He ends up with sixteen grabs for one hundred twelve yards. Damn. About as much as any came, its titans combined now. Lacrosse one hundred thirty one yards in your face cam. showed him. You're supposed to be like legit right like Cleveland. or Did he get her he did he get hurt. He came out of the gate with six catches. I mean it was only forty yards, but he. Said you six targets six options first game. I wonder if he got hurt or if they just. I have no idea. So he does get a touchdown I. Actually had a note about this. He gets touchdown in this game I. Believe Right this game I don't think. Oreo the touchdown I'm working at his. Kapadia and says when he was a rookie with the saints, he was struck in the eye by a teammate with a sock filled with coins during a hazing incident. What the early lost is i. in addition to suffering, a broken is socket and broken nose. The injury permanently affected his eyesight. Lord. while. I might. Be Incognito. One of the referenced articles. That is. A WILD Wild Story. I mean sock Philly, you can now compared. Yeah, compared to like pc culture now I mean. Someone did that in today's game and. You know they didn't rape. It's not raped or beaten up kids, so they'd probably like suspend them for a year. Say hit someone in the eye with. sock filled with coins. It's probably what does he joining a gang well? How good the guy who hit him was probably I'll do some research and let you know right if you. Could that'd be great. We'll do a deep dive on now. VISIT WHOLE LA Times article on it. Is, that's kind of the big changes for the off-season The wasn't a ton of turnover really. On this patriots team other then. Drew Blood Tone Terry Glenn. Brian Cox on the saints. Which? You didn't play much down the stretch. Did. He not play much at the end of two thousand one. Not really he broke his leg middle the season and then came back and played on it. But was not the same guy, so couldn't really couldn't. Much, so he was, he was like a just a run stopper on short yardage down. Yeah, I liked. I liked old man i. think what are you wear, number, ninety, two or ninety, five or something like that? I like Brian Cox. He. FOR THE SAINTS I don't and then he got into coaching and coached a match Adam when he went to the jets, they were didn't see eye to eye when they're on the Patriots if I recall. And the opponents, tonight was the Pittsburgh steelers who also really hadn't changed much. Their team was basically the same as well. And commentators actually mentioned that were basically. Almost exact rematch of the AFC championship game the year before because both teams were the same. Except even though the steelers defense was the same. They struggled a lot. First dealers. Even thank. The same divas finished sixteenth in points allowed. which is what mill the table? And seven yards allowed. It's not bad, but they gave a shit ton of passing yards of rushing touchdowns for some reason which actually saw. Kind of in this game with the patients decided they weren't gonna run the ball and just spread them out. and. Just gasoline desk, so we ranked actually twentieth in passing yards, allowed and twentieth in rushing touchdowns allowed so. There's a blueprint warily. Their. Secondary must have must have just been abysmal because that's maybe the best linebacking core. I've ever seen in my entire life. There's a big news the steelers. Jason Guild in. Ferrier. Remember Hendro Joey Porter Kindle Bell. Kendra bell was so many second year. Yeah James Harrison. Dot. The heiress another year, yeah! No. Wasn't really yeah. He's undrafted. Undrawn. fucking and they also have wary foot Larry foote was no slouch. Either Larry had some good years in the league. I mean this was a linebacker. Mike couldn't crack, and now he's starting on the Patriots and winning Super Bowls building. Yeah! He was the only one that did any of this game. I think, but I mean having settled at the the steelers could get almost no pass. Rush in this game. Whatsoever he this is the first two drives all time sack leader in the steelers and still is. Who is killed ill? Yeah, he was a monster. Affair. Fair, he was also the only one still celebrating. Down Three touchdowns in the fourth quarter when he makes a tackle for a loss. GotTa style that that steelers Eve Eso. Case. Ahead not go ahead. How you? GonNa say there. There dealing wasn't bad either Casey Hampton I remember all these names like Hagan's Chemo Chemo. Yeah I mean defense. Never seen. Classic Football Name Right there. Cuando from. Two of those linebackers guild and imported would actually make the pro bowl along with hines ward. Who is still hate to this day and anchor their guard I? Of course, you do because you're an asshole, too. Good. Your it Asshole to Steve. You got it right. I think is compete level. Yeah, because you're an asshole. Yeah, that's true on both counts transit of property. I think that works so recognize real. And, the the the new face on this offense was Antwan, randle El, also Fanta, but mostly a return man. The season well is Swiss army knife. Was Yeah. He was there brown according to John Madden. A college quarterback right? was that, was it not it wasn't. It wasn't I almost said V tack, but that can't be right. I can't remember where he went to school. I got you. Thanks. Would Act Guy. You went to Indiana. Back. Yeah. Maybe not elegant I'll get back to you on that. There was a who is the seals by? That threw a touchdown pass in the Super Bowl. Most positive. It's Randall against the seahawks. I thought it was. His Fun Farry and then they and they talked right, and they talked about him playing quarterback in college I sort of goodness. Yeah He. Yeah, he was the first player in division wind history to pass for forty touchdowns and score forty career rushing touchdowns. He also played. For the Indiana basketball team. Which? Like. Italy program wait dual sported at Indiana under coach Bob Knight. What a monster! That's impressive does pretty sick. Yeah? See like I can eat a dick. Though yeah, he almost didn't get it yet to sit out a year before going Indiana. Because of low sat scores No. Dominant. Sat's don't translate football, but what was community service still? You know well rounded applicant. So we actually saw Kordell Stewart again this game. But he would not last long. On the season he got benched week four because he couldn't stop throwing interceptions. started doing. From the Gecko in this game, you WANNA get into it. Let's be really didn't stop doing that. Right through two picks to close out the AFC championship game comes right back goes over three to I. Was Sure To pick on his first three passes. Both of those two were actually back to back, so he threw interception came right back in his added one wasn't enough in through another one immediately. To to Mike Cradle of all people, which is hard to do. That He. Didn't see him like he go. That was bad. But I have to say he can. He can Hukou football deep from any body position like he's running sideways and diagonally backwards and just like just slings at like he's. Skipping rocks, and it goes sixty yards. You y'all. Remember his nickname rate. Slash. A YEAH! I don't know. Why didn't he play a bunch of positions to? quarterback in mind receiver. Yet running back and all that shit about to get. A Randall. He got drafted to for Major League Baseball. What, about Kordell Stewart I dunno too deep into Randall l right now. So but I wanted to touch on somebody who I. I found fascinating. This was doing my research and that was the guy who took over. Fair Kordell, Stewart. And that was my boy Tommy Maddox. Pittsburgh legend Tommy maddox apparently. He played in the AFL. Just like everybody else new. Jersey red dogs. did okay and also played out the original xfl if you remember that with, he hate me. and. Was the league MVP for that one? He actually got drafted by the broncos. He was supposed to be always replacement, and then you know. Obviously wasn't. Is a first round pick. By back, only mathematics was a first round tech. By the broncos though so. L.! We had a hand in it I I always thought he was just like a journeyman. I never realized that he had. Career before like I. Remember him coming there. Be Like Oh. Yeah! I played xfl in that. I didn't realize that you already had an NFL career. Yeah he he had he'd been around the game for awhile. Because he from he was already a journeyman. He played for Denver for two years. The rams and the giants. And then took what six years off. To play for the XFL and the AFL and then came back to the NFL because he was the xfl league MVP, the steelers picked him up and now he was backing up Kordell Stewart. And then he came in, and all he did was I don't know which game it was. It was one of his earlier games. He set the. Week ten against the Falcons. He set the steelers record for passing yards in a game. With four, hundred, seventy three. In game of the steelers would go onto Thai. Thirty four, thirty four, which has got to be like. The worst tie in NFL history. That's that's probably worse than like a three three shootout that ends in a tie juice. Blue Ball SORTA. Come on, right. And then the week after. Against the Titans He. Got Hit. As. He was throwing tripped over somebody at apparently they hit, left him briefly paralyzed, and he was taken to the hospital on a stretcher. Yeah right, but then came back in time for the playoffs, the playoffs to the Ravens. Now sorry to the titans actually went lost the titans again. In a shootout thirty, one thirty four. Lost in overtime, so he is one of the more fascinating stories that I had no idea about because. The only reason I recognize the name Tommy. Maddox is because I'm pretty sure. I had his rookie card. Is Football Card back in the day. Nineteen ninety-two Gallia. We were collecting football God's bag. That was I nine. Peak, football cards and it. Wasn't just that? twinkle in your father's I in nineteen, ninety, two, I was three years old four years old. Sounds about right. Yeah I was five I. Don't remember Shit from nineteen. Ninety two. I was not I barely remember except for my time. Matic's UCLA. Rookie Guard. Probably that would have been worth money now. If I knew was going to be next, a felon would have it. But you know easy. Come easy go new. Jersey, red dogs is a pretty sick name. I wonder if that's related to the beer. I. If it wasn't. They missed a great opportunity? Did, talk about branding. That's. Like free giveaways at the game. All the beers cost money except for red dogs. which you can get as many as you want. They live mascots ship as the whole time. There's a lot to do that. He's got the Tucher gummy. Just shoot now Kansas read, Doug Apparently able. Deo is another way Alway la extreme, the xfl right. Yes, yeah. Did. He have a nickname. Tommy maddox! Yeah, remember he's. Yeah. He's been nicknamed in the back of their jerseys. Dude Yeah. TM twelve. Yeah, I mean. He is pretty white, so he probably just went with Maddix. Probably Tommy! That's the guy is. Don't go by Tommy like you're if you're a grown man like Gandhi. I'm Andrew Thank you very much. How dare you call me hated? Reserved for my mother, stop it. Greg, Greg don't. By Gregory. NY. Sounds pretty tired. That parenting is with that is. Thomas Alfred medics. And he goes by Tony White. is human ever go by Tom Bud? Alfred though. Alfred. Sure as gone by Ta Matic's. Right and TA Matic's. He's a fucking. Writer of short stories. Luckily we didn't have to. We didn't have to see Ta Matic's plan this game. It was all Cordell and. He was generous. I thought. Even starting from his first driving through an interception by our friend Terrell Buckley. who was on my favorite back in the day before we get too far? Should we talk about a banner raising the opening ceremony? It's Gillette game. Here yes I! have notes about about that all right here. Well I I don't WanNa go I mean. Did everyone get to watch any of it like the? G G guys see the Dennis Hopper opener. Yeah do what was it? Run US through. So Dennis Hopper you know I think would. Like US was the first game of the NFL season I think there was the first televised game of or was. That is right, wasn't it? Wasn't that at first televised? Damon that season? There's a Sunday night game, so is the first so they're. A primetime game it was a Monday it was. It was a Monday? I got it yeah. Yeah it was it was a Monday night game and. Dennis, hopper is just like. You know recapping the Patriots Miracle Season from the year before talking about the young kid Tom Brady, and then he gets into the snowball game with the Tuck, rule any like. Is just like the abominable snowman with like. White Paper Confetti. Fake Snow like it was the coordinating is. It was the corneas thing I've ever seen. And I thought I was going to be the thing that the thing that pissed me off the most, but no Nick Nick Carter from the backstreet boys. On the shoulder. To sing the national anthem for the fucking banner raising night for the Patriots me off so bad knitted. Carter I was disgusted. I love it I love. It's like I like the backstreet boys. Kinda, but I was I was just appalled seeing that. Was An odd choice, but they also coming back from commercial one of the. Like the the coming back into it things. They had nickelback song onto. Caught up. NICKELBACK? Maybe getting nick. Maybe getting Nick Carter to sing. The national anthem in thousand into is like. A huge deal and I just don't realize it, but. From around here, Nick Carter. Local. Boy I Nick Atta I. Feel like you'd want somebody who's like Moran here. No He's telling nationally televised game. The Boston Globe is pretty pissed off about it to. Jeff Jeff, Wagon Heim. One of his best and worse was Ah Backstreet boy singing in quotations the aunt. And then in parentheses, wasn't it past bedtime for Teeny boppers question Oh shit. Come. That's old. Man Yells at ground I mean. I'm going to throw. Connor category do? I? Mean it's a song. We can't have like a singer Swansong before a game. What's wrong with that? I. I don't know if I. You would just think that they could find someone. More impressive all. Night. Nick Nick. Nick. Carter is nick. Carter is from New York I don I. Don't know it just again. It is old man that yells at Cloud I. was watching the game. fucking eighteen years later today. And I was just like what is this? I can see both sides of it on one hand. Again. Nick Carter Thousand Two pretty fucking famous Yup? Probably that's probably the flip flipside is you haven't as guy with frosted tips. That also matched Lonnie Paxton's new. And like is that really the tone you want to be setting with your football team for the season John Madden was all about giving tax and shit for what happened to his hair. Fell into his hair. Was Dick euless. which probably talking about John Madden, too? Because this was his. First game on the ABC. And it's risky with Al Right now. Michael, Yeah Yeah. That was. Wasn't, he said it was the first time since one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine had there wasn't an NFC team involved in the game us calm. Shit. Time Yeah, because all. It used to be on Fox and. See Exactly. So he did have one mess up. Well one of many. Of the second quarter. As like replaying screen, and there's three defenders on the screen and he's like this guy right here. Do you circles? And two of. Other guy. The Not, circling the guy you're supposed to watch. And then there was the play where they were replaying. Troy Brown's toe tap catch. And was going to replay and I called it a catch, so bill cower tried to challenge it, and then the overruled it and called me complete so ballot challenge it. And Madden seemed to think it was blatantly not a catch, so he decided to go on a tangent. While they kept replaying, it was obviously a catch and it was going to get overturned to catch. And it took them a good five minutes like of a couple of different stores before somebody must attacked him on the show and be like. Hey, by the way by talking about this because it's, it's going to be a catch. Is Oh. Look at this. You guys see what I'm saying, yes. Yep Jeff Wagon Heim from Boston. Globe comment on that as well. Let's hear. Apparently, the rats said that Brown drug, his other foot inbounds rather than dragged, said Jeff said that was. The worst drug test of the game. Guys like Greg Easter big. The Internet. Typical Jeff Wagon Hyman my right. I wonder if he's still doing things. Now, it doesn't Seem Racist Jeff Wagoner Jeff Wagon high on twitter. He doesn't know how to use it. When you come to a fork in the road, take it. Yeah, that's. That's his quotas by Yogi. BERRA's him. Oh Man What's your favorite Yogi? Bear quote, nobody goes or already it's too crowded. Yes, my favorite to. Gets laid out there early. To. Speak an early. If. We're talking about the crowd and his game. There was a thing in the Boston Globe about how great the traffic flow was. fucking right. Now at at. And the they're only praise was that they were planning on opening? The the stadium an extra hour early at four PM for this. What nine o'clock game? Time, it started. Nine o'clock but because people had arrived so early, the traffic was starting back, so they opened it at three thirty. Just let everybody in early enough to get super fucking drunk. And they. They felt drunk to me well, never gone to a few games over the years like this. This crowd was fucking rowdy. They started a madden chance at the end like atom. Monday night football. You just come off a super bowl raising a banner brand new stadium. I flew. Will. They didn't know that. I battled little bigger. They don't fucking not the last one, and then you'd better meeting innovate and all a world war. What until the second one happened? Surprisingly there? They were underdogs. The pats going in yeah, they were three point dogs, which I found surprising for this was They show the first time since eighty three that the champs were underdogs in their season opener. Yeah Shit Stop. Thompson Book Bullshit L. Teacher Yeah. We should stay. Say The final score. What was it? Thirty four. Pack which we'll get to. That close wasn't even nearly because we were in that. It was thirty to seven really. We'll get to that during the. Alley in this game. This is officially Gillette by this point right? Yeah, yes, yeah, it was no longer. We don't know what happened. Nobody ever said what happened from CNN. I feel to Gillette, but they announced. Gillette field well. I I read an article in the Hartford current about it. As you, do yeah. Stock. was like the hottest thing in the street. As. Recently as January, two thousand. One, hundred sixty three dollars a share. And then. By off. Yeah well. It was that in nine eleven I guess. Yeah. I think nine eleven kind of like the DOT com bubble happened, and then nine eleven happened just kind of like crushed any. Anything that was left of right there. On the stock market so when everything? There was no money out there for them. But went from one hundred sixty three dollars, a share to forty cents a share in like a year now gone. So. Lost, a shit load of mine. got. That's brutal well. That explains I. Don't have the. The rights to the naming of the stadium I guess Yup. She's E, take stock. Paying ten million dollars a year for the rights. That's reasonable. This stay in business perspective yeah. Yeah. I wonder if you have to sign a multi year thing though. It was one fourteen for fifteen years. Wow, but then the stadium itself only costs three twenty five. So you're getting a good chunk of money back. Wonder wonderful has to be paid up front I. He isn't the raiders. Stadium or the Rams, stadium and billion. Bra All that money's like all inflate and everything anyway nowadays. At the time, it was at the time as a ridiculous amount of money to spend on a stadium on top of the money that he spent on the team itself right. Out We'll, we'll do a deep dive on our 'cause. That's or we got talking about. I had to feed my dog. Stadium. Yeah sorry, sorry, I cool Bray I remember when it first when. It wasn't a Brag I'm sorry he's. Itchy? anyways, you guys like that open concept. I wouldn't I yeah I. DO I don't know if it's still the allure from when I was younger and like the. That, big archway with the open concept seems like it was pretty. Cutting Edge, not cutting edge like a new. A new design at that time. Going on what eighteen years now that thing being what is so for an eighteen year old stadium? Greg? I duNNo. I go back and forth. Like I like it because of you think that Murray. But I I. I don't think it has anything to do with. How the stadiums designed. To me, it's Kinda like me. I think stadiums fine the coal experience with the route one. Really her right and you go to other stadiums around like this stadium like way better. Whole Process of everything. Redskins Games a great it. In time. ENSKILDA, sweet or like Seattle. Stay thing because. Do, you think it's because. Our tailgate is so blah that you walk into the stadium, not feeling. And Yeah fired because after after bills tailgate I. Don't walk in and I. Know It's a Shithole walk in and I'm like God places Shithole I'm all pumped because there's just. Like the best tailgate on my life whereas Gillette. Everyone is just kinda like. I don't know maybe in two thousand, one or two thousand and two people were had a little more pep in their step, but. Going back and recent these past these past couple years. It's just people are just sitting around like. A, Steph, where the best like Guy I. Don't you know I'll maybe you know exactly? I think even just watching I remember the feeling washing games back then compared to now, and I felt it again recently, when Brady was suspended for the first four games of whatever season was eighteen. and. You would go into the game his first game back. No, no those first four games. Just. Right yeah, and you go into them and it had a completely different feeling because. I realized that. Over the years you'd go into the game expecting the Patriots to win, and now you have this the stress of them living up to your expectations, and if they didn't you get all this wagon, all pissy. Because an all playing like that, they can sort of thing whereas when you had Jimmy G. and there was like. Hey, maybe they'll win this. Maybe they won't, but at least exciting. Let's find out and I think. That part of it I think it's probably what's missing from. Patriots tailgating these days. Yeah I mean. You don't really even care I don't WanNa. Say don't care about you. Don't really even care about the Games until the playoffs. This pet, these path like you. The winds the Wednesday meeting. Nobody! Just such A. Win that started. I I would say probably from like the two thousand seven season on. Right I think when we were pre one. Those first three were still Kinda spunky. You know spunky fan base like we still have like. You know we're finally starting to success with the socks you know. We're like the miserable Boston Fan. It's just it was. It was groomed in red sox misery, so we brought that like chip on it. We brought that chip on our shoulder like over into football season, and with our patriots fans And then we just became like just hockey and didn't really get up for games probably I smell like as soon as. As soon as Brady, took over his offense and and became. Elite at what he was doing like. You said in two thousand. You've made even two thousand six. He was dragging the team along with them. And, so you just never felt like you're actually out of any game and you kind of expected him to win it every time. Though it came with this expectation of if they don't do it. You're disappointed and Tom Brady because he didn't do what he normally does. I hope they win this game and like a unique way that I remember. Yeah, exactly you have many. In browns and bills fans. You're pissing off right now. Because fucking Patriots podcast literally earlier today I had about Lions Fan. Try to tell me is talking himself into Matt Stafford. As League MVP. On Lake six thousand plus thousand. He's like yeah man. It's like she not a bad bet. I was like okay. Let me know how. Who are they throwing to go? I could even she's. Got A nicotrol. GRONK did anything that's his. He's like this is my cycle. You know I'm at the point right now. Where like shipment? Anything's possible exactly? What's most possible that they're like twenty five year like playoff streak continues. Yeah I think that is. What part of July is really nice? Though is, they're drunk tank. Yeah. Explained to me under the well. I actually don't know where it is. Or you don't remember where that's correct. Very cavernous, though so I thought it was under the stadium, but I'm not positive with very roomy looking. Yeah, yeah! All, right that's that's nice any any accoutrements. I was in there with another kid. Didn't like me. was that. I don't know, don't remember. Was the game on. Baying on the window, I tell me the score and there were no. Jesus Christ. Name. Kelly's learn about your brothers me up. With your in laws. That's correct. Can't, MR early days to. God blessing God and they're still stuck around. Yep. I mean. In In Gillette! Securities Defense you are insufferable. Yes, absolutely black with once you. Once you get past that level you are you're you're pretty insufferable? In terms of I mean I personally love it because it's usually directed at. Bills Fans. We go to build things together so and that's always fun. you've certainly gotten some RV tires slashed. Do to you. Oh, yeah! It could have been wrong. Get rocks throwing. Rocks thrown at us. Rocks thrown at us, yeah. Greg Pierce rights you, didn't you? When you're sitting on top of the hour of. Give it? That's annual. That's commonplace dislike. Jesus and we we, we're GONNA get into this game, but I wanNA talk about it I'll just to say well. We've been talking. Kordell Stewart just hundred inception. You're probably talk about that, so yeah I was GonNa talk about you WanNa, talk about Cordell. Go ahead. You have the floor. I was just GonNa I. I was just GonNa say that. With all the offseason, talk about like. You know Tom Brady. Was This just a fluke. Israel Davey GONNA. You know up, settle, you know. Take the starting job at some point. and. Defending Brady and Yeah Big Dick Tawny. HAD HIMSELF A game. I mean I wanted. He sixty seven percent completion percentage AC- hair under three hundred yards, no picks three TV's just came out there and was just laying. Yeah, obviously. Our tending to run the ball. No. No our defense granted and great spots all throughout the game. There's just Tana turnovers What a statement from Tom. I thought. He function new faces to I mean Dionne branch had a huge game six receptions that Cam Cleland I mean he was. Throwing at all over the field resilience of drops in the bucket. Pork, because the steelers pick. They turned into nothing. Go three and out. Of Line Field Yeah. They got touchdown on. That was the first ever points scored in the new Gillette. Stadium Christopher Little! Trivia! Thing, yeah Christian for you. And outgoing, but even that drive was only because the seals have committing penalties on third down defensive holding. Jumping off sides on sorts of bullshit. steelers got some they a going right. They had that bullshit. Pass fearance on time. Tile Gregor W watch his game 'cause law. This is an you know what I'm actually. A little pissed that you didn't get to see his game because. This I thought you were going to actually join me on the dark side because the reason. The pass interference calls. We're getting called on. Thailand was because hines ward was flopping all over the place and any time. You wasn't gonNA. Catch the ball. He just kinda like flopped over onto ground, antilock getting called for Bass happened twice once the end zone. He he was. The that's literally Hines Ward's. He was the best in the league that he was known. You, so he's doing that and yeah, he's like starting fights after after turnovers and stuff and he's just like. He's obviously known for his his. We'll call them. Generally, his borderline blocks crack back blocks on people who is injured and stuff. Just, not a fan of them although to be fair. He not an team eleven. Money is oh. Yeah and. In his defense. There's a lot of people looking to get their shots in on him. So even if you caught the ball went to ground, nobody like tagged him down. They fucking jumped on him like helmet, I! And especially law Malloy, who was just going and heavy literally every time he was even close to the ball, and he just like pop back up. He's like yeah. I get it. gave the guy on the button title the next play that was like elite Thai law years too, and he still had a game. Today. He had like ten tackles. Back. Hindsight added that one touchdown on him. He got him pretty good. Getting over on the defense in the motion. You've been a pretty clean. But that. On that first drive the second half for water. Or they call too Pi's Ontai. Bullshit. So see the ball first and goal from the one. They fall fuck apart with the REX call a false start, which was also bullshit, which wasn't there. Yeah, that was a bad call, and then Chris Mata Ma follow like had the ball knocked away from him by lawyer someone after the play. It's personal foul. Then they kicking a field goal, and they have a false start. He's named. Paul. And then it cuts hours. Face a baby. was. It was like it was the bill. Cower faces up there. I think on the Pantheon of. Annoyed phases. Manning brothers! Yeah, he's definitely like that kind of that. That jaw whereas mouth almost becomes like non existent, and it's all bottom chin. Is Extends passes knows it's ridiculous. It's fantastic, yeah. And that was that was peak. Because yeah, they did. I actually wrote it down because they get a first down. I like you, said I and go from the one and then. They get backed up on penalties. And then they complete a pass on third down to fool Mata Maa follow one bad ma, follow exactly so he gets tackled at the one or the two right so chip shot field goal, but then lawyer Malloy does is bullshit like the. From? Mafele tries to reach the house like knocks out of hand. And so he gets up and pushes malloy in the chest and gets a fifteen yard penalties. Now they kick it from the fifteen. which still makeable Phil Goal, but then they they do a false start, which moved them back another even further back and then they missed the field goal. Wide left the take all back down and hit the exact same field goal from Ventura. Exactly. And Jeff Jeff Wagon Heim, said that that was the best bus stop. There was a lot of bus stops. I. Don't know if that's the best one. There was one that I think. It was Willie mcginest. Just came off the edge and the bus tried to do was like it wasn't. Even a sweepers just like out are off tackles thing. And just random over like he was. UH playing football back in the day where I was like a foot taller than all of you and tackle, you will like whatever angle. It didn't matter if you had the The momentum or anything like you're just hit me and you just fall over and it looked J. I don't remember this at all that either. Of course you don't. It's all the concussions I gave you. Open up half to with the. Donald Hays touchdown. Actually a really nice turn after you get the ball in the awesome blocked by Dionne Doll Hayes who we saw. At the end of last season, regular season, playing for the panthers, and he's the one that had a couple of football's come off his hands that were returned for Hutch downs. And they were like like what by St there? Let's this guy exactly. I, this sparked my thought this Cam Cleland I was like what are the skill position players that we've got in? That haven't touched down because they'll know that list of Brady touchdown passes. It's on Donald. Hayes and CAM CLEVELAND, or on it like who couldn't crack that group. I couldn't find them. People who've played more than eight games of Brady and still couldn't catch A. Td I. Will Actually you know you? Weird one Stephen Bradley. That's true. Yeah, he never caught a touchdown pass. Yeah, you didn't really catch to watch though still. Had like four years as a starting tailback. We get one in there some point you would think some screeners. Yeah, so you can you guys named the top five. Receivers Ranch Welker, Prong Maas Welker. Ranch. Yeah so it's Gronk Element Moss. welker James White. Sake. And then the branches six. Number seven. Theoretical question for Connor. WHO's a bigger? Data Pan or branch. who was what who's like more legendary Patriots Blair. Branch or patent. Oh God I the only the only huge branch. I remember more legendary. David Patten catches the one in the back of the end zone. was that the one from drew bledsoe in the back of Enzo Andrew had the step and are. They able branch I. Yeah, but Brandt. Branch also won a super bowl MVP. That's a tough one. I remember more legendary catches probably. In, those Especially the first in will branch wasn't there. Two Thousand One David Patten at a bunch of catches throughout the playoffs in snow. Branch Branch was better patent. I Dunno sticks out more in terms of catches. Is Our analysis to yeah. I think it was patented, had the the more memorable catches because he also had that game where he ran paths, passed and caught a touchdown to. Dan's best, YEP, receiver! We've ever drafted in developed. There's a hot take. Right. Era Yeah. Either way they're like one eight one B right James White. America. You can put him on there. He's fifth on his team and touchdown catches. The radio. Jamie Blanco. That's fascinating. He's going to move to wide receiver this year. I'm calling right now interesting. Where though we're GONNA put them in the slot. They play. They play him out wide receiver all the time anyway, so they might as well. They play. Everybody Watches Evil Oh. Yeah, exactly. I mean the Patriots aren't afraid to throw a tight end up. They're not tight end. fullback out there. All the way back to the Mark Edward Days this game. Actually Trust me on the film review. I don't trust that. No. We have A. we have like a top three tight fullback this year, Danny, by towers. Can Cash. yeah, he's. What do you think about him the? Articles Oh boy. Justin in roar Wasser. Guess. He can kick it a country mile. I think it was one of those classic like he knew exactly what Tattoo was and. was just coasting until. It came up I. was draft and Now. He's crying on social media. Saying he's getting covered up. It's a classic. The story is all this time. Held. His name translates to. Justin pipe water. Does. Pass on Rodrigue. blankenship for in tap water. I just I can't believe I wanted. I wanted rod so bad. Agree easiest a fucking legend. Those glasses man that kid from Georgia yeah with with the REX becks yeah yeah, yeah. He's like a rapper like hangs out with all the whole. God really yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. His name's Rodriguez blankenship. Come on. As a kicker. You got half the sign that guy. Yeah Yeah, the colts got them right. Yeah. You went undrafted and signed. Will all right speaking of kickers though. Connors boy adamant Terry. Had himself some kickoff problems in this game all? Decided to. Write the in the third quarter kicking out of bounds. Kickoff fucking idiot timed. Time to hit the panic button. Where do you think kind so? Yeah? I think we should probably cut them in draft to. Draft the kicker in the third round. Maybe someone more accurate. Preferably somebody more accurate would be good. Yeah, but we'll statistically speaking. So well, Connor. I I want to bring this up. I wanted to bring this up to you. Because just to hammer my point of like you. Just you select the memory we were watching the. AFC Championship game from last year against the steelers right fate. The Patriots are up seven. And they're driving with like I. Don't know what to men's left something like that. He and they get a forty five yard field goal to basically win the game. It's GonNa. Make ten point game. Pushed it. gave the steelers another chance still interception, but if the steelers go down and score there, that's a whole different. A whole different perception on what Adam Vinatieri's career is. It was real yeah. Okay that's fair. COULDA WOULDA. The only it was the only field goal he missed. like I said I big teen on. Yet but guess what. We won the game, so no one remembers that you remember. But then I, defense won the game, so no one gives a shit about what the kicker did. When? PEOPLE REMEMBER IT When it loses. God I'm not. All right I have. To my questions. I. Pose your question. which which player has like the most catches, but no touchdowns from Tom Brady. Okay, Ooh, what era I? Guess it. Maybe probably not. Play two thousand seven to two thousand ten forty seven games. What position did you play? Running back. Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, no, he's on here though he did not catch one. Ben Jarvis had. Twenty six catches. Forty nine forty nine catches, no touchdowns. From the running back spot now, woodhead right, nope! Now, he's scored on the Gary. No? Must have one on. Damn. You I think he does actually. Ridley for reference had twenty three catches. Wow double that almost. FUCKING Really has the most games fifty two games that sense tell us four. Did I catch us? No, no, no, no, don't tell us just yet. That was more time to Google. Sanjay. Connor gotta saying more Hale. Did. Google really is a fucking wonder. DO IS I. I. Thought I heard Alexina Becker okay well. Well there is a there is other running backs to choose from on their besides. I almost asked if you were going like. If you're being coy and it was actually a fullback, but he's called them a running back just to throw us off. Because I almost said Heath Evans, but that would have been lie I think he's caught on James Devlin, never did. He did but it was in the playoffs James Stephenson. One, it was, it was one of those blows against the best. Just regular bluntly has one though against. Jacoby Myers is on this list. Myers, well yeah okay. I mean that's Sony Michel. Is A lot. Of people that have one though. Hollister twenty three Games Antonio Brown. He's got one Mr. big chest himself as many touchdowns as Matt. Mulligan does. I Miss Open for that matter. I miss him, too. I wish you still Antonio Brown. This sort of been a whole different season if we'd had in out Brown. Could've masks a lot, I mean not. That? We probably had to what the worst production from the tight end position in the history maybe in league history this year. just two thousand one patriots of probably argue. If. They probably give that a run for their money. It we just determined came. Cleveland was worse. But he wasn't the started. Daniel Graham. Who? Intents Berbers looks like a fucking wagon. I. Don't know how he didn't work out. Because that's a big man who moves quick, include a while while in the league and he didn't not workout. Wasn't. The GRONKOWSKI that. He looks like he should be. The looks like he has that same like speeding. And smoothness to his route running and stuff but. Ten years. Did. He play where you go to the saints. DENVER. DENVER, that's what it was hit. Watching. Yeah, yeah, what sounds good? One of these new graphics will be a good. Watching could he was a specimen coming out of college? I thought he was going to be I thought he was going to be. When I remember when we I think it was what Gaza and four when we drafted Watson. I thought he was going to be dominant. You so fast. He was kind of like. He's the one that ran down champion for Vernon. Yeah he did run. That was an incredible. That's. I'll never forget that by. Yeah no, it's Brenda rated speed of underrated. We talk about this fourth quarter. Fourth quarters under rated by the way it's overrated. Because this point, it's thirty seven Patriots. steelers have given up literally. What this has my best play in this? Does it yes. Okay! Let's hear. It actually didn't count. Going to be my best actually, my boy Roman Phifer. Willie, the other Willie mcginest. Wrecking plays. Bodies Kordell Stewart CINK. Kordell Stewart Rolls Out and decides to pump fake. To give themselves some more time and Willie mcginest doesn't take that Bait. And just lights him the fuck. Perfectly clean tackle and like interview. It wasn't a fumble right. Cordell Kinda held it until. Metal at the grand growl immediately shot out. So look like fumble in real time. So. Yeah Roman Phifer returned it to the house right yeah. But if you watch the replay of that. Willie mcginest gets up to go to recover the fumble and I think realizes that Pfeiffer is probably has the better angle, so he peels off blocks. Whoever the running back or the? Of the steelers running after. Yeah and that's what sprung in for the touchdown, but like you said it, it got overturned. The lady absolutely bodied him. It was that that was he really mcginest and ended up at thirty eight. We scored. We should another six seven on top of that yeah yeah. But yeah. It did also set up a third and thirty four which the steelers couldn't. Convert after this look. So Good Oh yeah underrated. A great name to. Pifer yeah. Also, way late in this when they're scraping for content. They cut to this guy in the Patriots booth called Bucko Kilroy. Which? Absolutely an amazing name who had spent like sixty years in the league or something I when I did a little research on him, because like what an amazing name, and lies in the pages booth, and I've never heard of this guy. He was the founder of the draft. Fuck Shit. He's shaped the modern super bowl as we know it now. He's. He's generally like the like the game 'cause. A championship. Tell Old sky was. he's generally known as the dirtiest player ever. Even John the broadcast calls him that. He is a Patriot scouting assistant and the reason he stopped is because he died. Oh, shit, he was. In the eighties. In his head out in the two thousands when we drafted Brady and Richard Seymour all these guys fucking hell. Bucko Bucko Kilroy Yeah. God Damn. SCUZ- a legend US, instrumental in drafting Roger Staubach yeah. He played for the Philadelphia Eagles. Awkward to team that they made it when they combined the steelers and the eagles. Yeah? I caught that name like there's gotTa. Be some story behind wise steelers. Emmy Eagles combined ads awesome. Can Kilroy. About the Beanie Steel I. Ne- I. Need A fucking. Kilroy Struggles Jersey. Prime Major. Just know when the player NFL history. Absolutely, yeah, they were. They were definitely a grasping at straws in terms of like content because they were focusing in on the Like the tray of all the medical equipment. Yeah. Yeah, talking about how they didn't know what any of it was. and John Madden to jokes. Something about what was it? Civil Mamata Airlines or thermometer airways is what it said. Sounds like a terrible box to open, but which I didn't know, he was afraid of flying. Clearly he must be. and. That's why they always had like that stupid trailer at all. That he would do right. Eat the Turkey after Thanksgiving from it. They put the player in the game. He had a fear. Flying Heyday was definitely a full-fledged like diagnosed phobia. Battery wouldn't fit in the seat. I. Mean you remember that part of the plan the? Remember that Boston, the little giant remember when he made his cameo in the little giants like Bruce Smith and A. Me! That's a fucking deep. Cut Right there God do. which there's actually content on the field to like we had really bodied people. and. The steelers scored a last second absolute garbage time td oh. My God this was fucking brutal was a super mad. This is shades of when the Patriots of blowing out the colts last year. The colts kept calling time outs. They get the ball back and then they threw in their backup quarterback. Felt like yeah. There was literally no reasons go down. Thirty to seven. Under two minutes left and they're just like. Pulling out all the stops. If they're running, trick plays. They're running no huddle. They're like desperate to get in the end zone and Cordell. Scores a touchdown because he can't figure out to the ball across the plane instead of his feet. and. Tedy Bruschi was fucking livid about it. Like he had to get pulled off of the referee by multiple players. It was kind of like that. Bills gained. Thirty one nothing book and year. Yeah those are kind of driving down there on that game I totally understood the bills motivation. There was like yeah right. Lose that same score you beat us on week. One like I I was not like. What are you doing? Bills ears waste Cyrus. This was a lot more. Like what do you do in steelers? You wasting everyone's time? Yeah, they were. And so to the point where they scored one second left and the referees like what we're going to run. The clock offers not whereas doing. Latin, we'll go home is. Only about that last second. It's. No big deal so I think that brings us to best and worst Greg, did you? Did you have any best from your boy Jeff Wackenheim? He's got A. He's got a ton of Mir. Give me wagon hines. That's his best yeah. Just give you the to corneas ones. He's left on. The the worst impression, an impersonation of Terry Glenn. Christian for a number eighty eight in your program actually made onto the field, caught a TD pass and didn't get hurt. Shit. That's the bucket fire God Dale. And then worst superiority complex the steelers of claim, their AFC championship game losses a fluke. And that they were the better football team. Based upon their tackling last night. Maybe they meant best touch football team. Jeff Wagon Heim fire flames, just roessler. A week. More like touchable Baugh. How many more these do you have Greg Thirty? He has like no twelve fifteen the whole season here. and. I bet we can find them. Yeah, I definitely have. Some Jeff Waghorn and. Keep I got more of them for Future Games. Are Caught let's hear your best and worst MS game okay. I'll be. I got some good ones here So fast, here's here's. Here's a fun staff for you. Tom Brady was incredible. He had three touchdown passes, which matched his total for the last eight games of the two thousand one season. Regular eight in the last eight regular season, Games which we won all of Phnom Brady had a total of three touchdowns across those eight games, so he came out. I think he shot up a lot of the media. Pundits pundits. He probably shut up a lot of fan to were wondering if it was a fluke, he was awesome. you was Terrell Buckley Terrell Buckley was so underrated. You know being in that secondary with lawyer, Malloy and ty law. DROPE lucky luckily and even to Bucky Joan. He was just really solid and I think he had a five or six, maybe seven interceptions this year, maybe five or six, the only had three the before, so he had to two picks this game. and my third star. I'm just GONNA. Do Losers and winners started on my? my third star probably goes. It's it's tough to say I'd have to go get the Dion first game as a rookie coming out with I. Think he had like seven or eight catches. He's eighty five yards. with the Kentucky to the exact kind of like. Long player and by long I mean just like the stretches, the field runs a lot on those like deep posts and and fade routes. I. Think it was just what the offense was made need need. That was sweet. Biggest losers, bombs or things that sucked Kendra bowel I think. Getting injured in I. I think it was the first quarter. He was defensive rookie of the year last year. He was supposed to be I'm not going to say they would have won I. do think it Kinda changed. definitely did the trajectory of the game Jerome Stinks. What a big fat load! All he did was I I I? Think he had like six hundred rushing yards this season. He just don't I mean granted he. Punched it in nine times, but drum bettas. Blah. And then obviously? Any of the fumble yet which led diving and led to the branch td. and then the third biggest loser is I. GOTTA GO BACK TO BILL I go back to Bill Towers face, and then terrible mentioned is. Honorable Mention is what's his face the quarterback. Kordell Stewart He. He. After being. Offensive Player of the year in two thousand one. All pro he he was like he was I think he was the AFC MVP our offensive player of the year the year before he came out and. showed he still had the APPs from the AFC championship. Game it was not? And he would last two and a half more games after this so. Yeah. Slash yeah. I'LL BET HI Steve. Your best wars. I. I have. The every run is a hold. Note it. All caps yeah I. don't think the beaches couldn't run. The ball is like literally every time they did. That whole the county. I mean they didn't exactly try. They had four runs in the first half. Or a quarter runs. They had like four holding penalty to. Ron would that's true, but most of the most of the they had twenty three consecutive passing place between the Abdal Jacobs. Look if you can't run a ball out gut molding at him to throw it anyways. Yeah, but it just went five wives fucking five wad just gases evens. So I had a couple Bella check bests. Good. They talked about the. T shirt. He gave everybody in the organization. Like, all the standards are zero. The everybody's standing on the back. It was at zero. Yeah, fucking Belgian move! Can confirm that he's been keeping the replay sock or the replay flag in his socks since Oh two. Yup, yeah, I didn't see that in the first year. I think they had buzzers last year. They did and. Now at the the flag. So he's like that's always been. His spot is sock. I've always found hilariously endearing I'm curious why the sock and went onto pocket. And then they were talking about Scott Paoli called them the son-in-law. And, how he's married to bill's daughter, and I was like what I didn't know that like ballot. Check and Scott Baio that. Google that and is not. They were talking about bill parcells. Oh, that's right yet. Not Scott purely. Is Bill parcells son-in-law the pair incestuous same with What's his name and Tom Brady's sister? In Brady's sister. It's all sorts of cross pollination like that all right. With his chin. Good in the post game. Boy. That that's just spread it out and threw the ball. Hope we get to do more of that. I have the audio here. Let me see if I can actually. Honestly because I have it I, also like. Toxic bursts and we didn't lose this one. We got whipped. After the game as it should be. With Melissa. Out when we talk to Tom Brady yesterday or actually on Saturday, said we are going to kick their butts. Tom, how'd you know that? Yeah well. We you know I think we had a good game plan I think we all, and you know what Israel time for me to practice, though good to come out on our own statement our as a good way to open this thing up. The title steelers defense was ranked number one in the NFL last season. How were you able to exploit them so well? You're right. They do have a great defense. Just a Charlie Weis came over the great plan and I think we we We are in the first game. We run a lot of a lot of huddle. Stuff is tough on a defense conditioning. Wise and you know we kind of got him a Guy Guys Donald Hays. Made an awesome play on the curl out when He. Kinda hooked ran a branch and Christian. Three guys. Are GonNa have came up? The very women. How does anyone love Haredi? He's the fucking short. Love Him, but he's. fucking back these. Realize. Sticks out on that interview is like he didn't say hi mom. That's really didn't soul. Always. My parents. They're like yeah, but he sounded just like. Sounds like networking a little bit here style. I'm just using that as an example to show how awesome Guy Tom Brady is when my thought is like men. He's also usually very gracious to his parents as well. I miss him already. God I miss them. I miss him so much. Yeah, ever not miss him. Worse Brown the fact that you Miss Tom Brady. or Worse I I mean. Everyone. Being holding penalty was my worse. Alright. What the hell is going on, Connor dogs still hungry. My roommates are talking in the kitchen. My audio has been fantastic I'll tell you what Andy Year audio cut out a couple of times. You know here a little. Ricochet knows my roommate telling us. Should he story I'm sorry? Did sound like a good story charge. Yeah that'd be. Maybe we'll get him on the podcasts instead. What what what what are yours? Andy Aren't my best. Was the referee cam? Yeah cameras on the the middle referee, the guy behind like in the middle of the defense like behind the linebacker's which of seeing college they don't have that is. Because College for sure. And One and that. One Thousand two. I can see. They never done it before, but you did it. It was so good it was just looks like chaos when you're in the middle of it. Like the fact that anybody understand what they're supposed to be doing is beyond me when you look at it from that angle was fantastic. I'm a hundred percent and like the college version is cool Shit, you NFL version only be cooler because it only quicker and faster right. Yeah, it'd be great so. That was one of my best the best The fullback from the steelers when no during introductions Dan Creator. UNH Alum. How about that? Oh Awesome, the most famous UNH football player! No we say that gang. Jerry Zuma. Oh, yeah, all right all right. Yeah I'll give you. That also is going to play for the rams. There's an. cornerback yeah, and and Kyle Kyle What's his name, Kyle? Bears two. He picked off manning in a big game. I remember to me Jimmy something. Ravens. Yeah Shimmy, Smith. Kanye's not him. I. Definitely yeah. Zuma was one of them. You're right. But I don't know who this new guy is talking about. Horny Dram. Calling dice yes. I, Know Kyle Corey. I don't even have to. Use Google. there. WAS A. Was Zuma the wide receiver. you tell me you're on Google dot so a debate. Bacterium yes. Now those David Ball, who? WAS A. He broke Jerry Rice's touchdown record touch catch record. When I was there. And then who broke that record in the chip? Kelly days. I don't know who broke. That record is in the NFL right now. He's a white shames. Jeff. Cooper COP. Ship Cooper. Set The college football touchdown receiving record. Was bards maybe. UNDRAFTED free agent who played for the bears, well signed by the bears on the Corey Graham played twelve years in the league. Yeah, he's really good. Yeah, I recognize name. A UNH guy. How `bout that represent about 'em wildcats into the third round pick in Nineteen eighty-two there you go. and my worst was basically the steelers. They had six turnovers and thirteen penalties in their season opener. When they had an entire off season to prepare for the team that knocked them out of the playoffs the year before that silly, just hot fucking mess. and. Off of that, my favorite quote was Because this is the beginning of the new division alignments does the the first year of the AFC North that the? And even with this lost, they were still tied for first place in Madden. His quote was luckily. They're in a bad decision. Because it was the browns and the Ravens were falling apart to. And we'll start division. Redskins. undermined. I did. Turn. When they're when. They're like. 'cause again. They're scraping for content and they're talking about the NFC east. For some reason because that's what John Madden was stuck. On kitting of Bengals I've ear was was the dark time for the bengals and the browser that out because it's the browns. But yeah, and using the steelers would get their doors blown off here. Finish ten, five and one and still. When those people talking Shit we sit on the steelers, being recognized as as one of the. Greatest Just teams and Franchises, we have incredible win loss record against them. I, think we need them like? Like twelve like we won twelve, they've won I mean at some preposterous number. We've always had their number bill. Has Oh I mean it was an easy game plan. Like oh you have all these huge linebackers. Okay, we'll just go no huddle and catch you in the wrong scheme, and just you the fuck out you know it was. Bill Kaur was always always Out Coach by bowel check that's for sure so the Patriots against the steelers and the ballot check our our twelve and four. All of the information is available on Patriots. Dynasty DOT INFO Exactly. That's where I'm getting from fifty four to three thirty eight. and. If you want to. Actually I had a quick before we end. A quick trivia question because I know how much you boy like that. So the Patriots have played the steelers three times open the season. Never lost their three, no and actually average a score of thirty thirteen, which is very close to this one. But there's one team that they played four times to open the season. Do. You guys know who that is the dolphins. No Baltimore. The chiefs notes. Soon as an AFC team. Navy's yes, they play the bills four times. They've lost once and I can guarantee you all I guarantee remember the winds though because I. Sure don't. I'm looking forward to where you're watching that game that I am but. It is. Because I know how the season ends, you know. That's true it. Amen Easier to watch though. So Yeah, Oh and we have a new thing before we go you can actually now leave reviews for our podcast. You don't tell him that. Yeah, no, I WANNA get some feedback so I think. Maybe we'll put together for the second season will put together something where the best or our favorite review gets. A Free T, shirt or something? But if you go to rape podcast, dot, com slash pats pod. You can rate on your podcast listener of choice. They should probably give that. You should give that pitch in the first fifteen seconds when people are still listening. Instead of you know the last minute of the okay. No I I want I. Want I want to know what they really think. I'll have suffered all the way. I won't. 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Day 2 Recap! Let's Debate Those Rookie RBs! (04/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Day 2 Recap! Let's Debate Those Rookie RBs! (04/25 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from CBS. Sports your email us at fantasy football ed CBS. I DOT COM it's time to dominate your fantasy league in all likelihood so beautiful fantasy grades drafted tonight rows two or three just under the running backs last five years now drafted around two or around three. Even David Johnson Alvin Kamara Kareem hunt some really good players. David Montgomery last year Devon Single Terry last year round to of course you had Derrick Henry and Alvin Cook and Joe Nixon. And maybe some guys. It's still have some good football Ronald Jones Darius Guide and obviously miles. Sanders can't forget about him so we had a busy night with running backs. Wide receivers coming off the board. Not a lot of quarterback's offensive lineman. Yes tight ends. The Patriots took two of them. Welcome to the show. It is officially Saturday morning at his twelve fifteen. Am Atta Meser with David Hey Dave it's good to have you on what's up. Everybody which Dave on. Yesterday it didn't work are happy to have him here today. Ben Gretch denied. Have you on yesterday? Either you've got to carry the show man because only nine fifteen for you. Yeah why don't wait doesn't dealing with the tomorrow for you already already. But I'm still on Friday Tom Jamie is on three ish hours of sleep and he will race. I don't know I don't know how you do a lot of makeup. I'm thinking I'm not any Mesa. Beautiful Man all right so today. We'LL We'll talk about everything you need to know from day two of the NFL draft. Let's do some fill in the blank. Actually wait now more important. Let's do something different. Let's grab everything I was going to do. Just give me your biggest fantasy takeaway from day to day star with you a lot of the running backs that were taken. I think we're taken to help in twenty twenty one but they have a funny way of impacting he. Nfl and fantasy earlier than expected NFL. Hurry things up a little bit. I think a lot of running backs overdraft today are gonNA be Very key players and fantasy drafts next year and good guys to draft this year to just sit and wait on the miles sanders effect from from twenty nineteen will be in in store for for almost everybody almost every key running back those drafted in round two. I then your biggest takeaway. My biggest takeaway was a kind of blew some some dynasty startup drafts this year with grabbed guys like Daryl Henderson and carry on Johnson thinking that they were going to be safe and yeah. I think there's a kind of like what Dave said. There's there's a pretty big impact on on a lot of the current veterans are always is but some of those Ron expected for me. Jamie. The packers are more on your skipping ahead to fill in the blanks. Which is the Green Bay? Packers are blank moron not good. I don't get it I A. They don't want Aaron Rodgers around. They're just doing everything they can to take him up. I really want them to get Denzel. Mims the jets took him just before. The packers drafted a running back One of Ben's favorites. Aj Dylan didn't WANNA see him. Go there but yeah. The packers had a perplexing draft. I suppose I don't know my my biggest. My biggest thing I guess is what Dave said. You know a lot of the running backs. It's just not like we didn't get great destinations for those top. Three wide receivers. We I don't know if we got great destinations for these rookie running backs. But we'll talk about it here. We can fill in the blank. Here we go. I'm so glad that blank was drafted by Blake. These guys should go ahead the Jaguars. Jags Dave got I'll say. Jk Dobbins to the Ravens. Think he's GonNa be a big employer for them starting next year. Starting next year yeah. I was disappointed that he went to the Ravens. I am too you know would have been great if he had gone to. Tampa Bay or Miami just as an example for two teams but I think once he does get that job in Baltimore and figures to be next year he should be really good Jamie. I'm so glad that blank was drafted by blank can makers by the ramp. I've I've been excited about him this whole process. And he's going to get a chance to be featured guy there and I think he's GonNa end up being a startled fantasy running back the does anybody can makers will not lead the team and carries. I think he will. I think there's a chance that I think there's a better chance he won't than Than like camakers or I'm sorry then. Deidre swift will with Detroit. I think the competition is a little more serious there than it is in Detroit. I disagree with that. I disagree wholeheartedly with it okay. That's why I'm glad day was on because I know that he is not really believing in Kerryon Johnson. So so let's talk about that with talk about the Detroit. Lions here and So the Andrea Swift. They take thirty fifth overall. Second running back selected only three picks after Edwards. Allaire the around one and yeah. What do you think Dave? What's what's your take on it. The Line Solis. Exactly what they think of Kerryon Johnson that after two years with some pretty up and down play. There were times where he was very good. And sometimes we stunk but he had a big knee injury. Each of the past two seasons each of his two seasons in the league. They're tired of it and they they wanna have something somebody there who can i. I don't think they drafted Dandridge swift to be a backup. He was the second running back out the board. They could have had Jonathan Taylor. They could've had anybody. They wanted other than Clyde Edwards Allaire. They obviously see swift is a great fit in their offense any will be. He is a decisive zone runner. He's got good hands. He's a good pass blocker. He's he's GonNa be better back for the Lions then. Kerryon Johnson was or will be and maybe Aerial spraying on a lot on. I agree with everything how I'm not GonNa let me finish. Got Only have a certain amount of time tonight. Okay that's true. Let me get you chapter two and then look I just think Kerryon Johnson won't have a big role maybe they split to begin the season just like we saw last year with Jordan Howard Emmaus Sanders but by the mid point. Maybe even sooner because Gary Johnson can't say on the field for a very long period of time Downer swift will get in their. He'll do his thing. I think he was the second best running back coming in. I think he's the second best running back and fantasy Right for twenty twenty not for dynasty but for agree agree with everything. I do think that there's an easier path to touches for acres with Rams because you at least I expect carry-on still have some role while he's healthy. Now he could get hurt early and then runs away with his better talent than camakers. He was also a better situation college than kingmakers. And so we'll find out what the rams are GONNA do. We'll find out what the lions are going to do. I do think though that John Taylor still in the second best situation with Marlene Mack. There because another scenario of the team telling you what they are going do by trading up to select Jonathan Taylor. Who's GONNA get a chance to run behind that offensive line in this offense that I think it kind of tells you that maybe they're tired of Marlin Mac? Another running back hard time staying healthy and may not be the most explosive. I hate it because I wanted to see what mcadoo full season with a better quarterback but. I think it's the same exact thing it's it's the team telling you that they're frustrated with the situation and that Taylor being the best running back that we all said coming into this draft ends up in a great rushing situation. We'll see a great passing situation. I doubt it. Because Nineteen hines so I think all three guys behind Edwards Hilar- for redraft are kind of in a similar scenario. If you believe in swift you take swift ahead of Taylor and acres. If you believe in Taylor take him. I you know if you just want to wait out and see if you get the last of the the those three guys and that's the way to go so I don't think as wrong. I bike acres scenario better than swift. And I like Taylor's scenario better than both and like I said to you guys off the air They're all back to back so they're all running so who talked longer mere Jamie because he was interrupting me to get into his point and then he gets input. And here's forget about that. Here's the bottom line. I actually agree with Jamie. That acres definitely has a chance to get ahead of DARYL ANDERSON BUT WE I. I don't think we. I don't think we know for sure what Darrell Henderson is. And I think there's a there's a better chance that he could end up sticking around a little bit longer in the rams offense then carry on cannon lines off. It's my perspective my point of view on that but I do I do acres latitude there all right very tightly together. I'm not sure why you're so down on carry on though I mean. He was a second round pick two years ago. We still twenty two years old for a couple of hundred when the season starts. Yes yeah he'll be twenty three and a couple of months but this guy is still. Yeah I mean that's not all he's extremely young still. He was very productive in your one. Five point four yards per carry. It was a little worse last year but he was banged up. It was a lot worse. Last year's three six ers. He was really bad last year. But you're right had been at. We shouldn't just forget. A lot of people. Were very excited about Kerryon Johnson last year. But I will say that. Dave has always sort of been hesitant on Johnson. I think the injuries because he was banged up all the time in college or big part of that go ahead. I'm so the big point I wanNA make their. And especially when Jamie Barton Taylor and I agree with both these guys too but I think there's a slight nuance difference between swift tailgating spot in that the lions backup right now is Bo scarborough. They were almost certainly going to be in the market for a running back in the strategy when swift fell to them. It's very feasible that they were already looking at running back to decide. Hey is it really good playmaker? We can add him to carry on Johnson and have two very good backs. They just took him two years ago they still have him under contract for two more years. Marla maximum bit of a different story. They just took Johnson Second Round Marlin. Mac was a fourth round. Pick three years ago. He's one of those guys that I think we. I think we talked about this with James Connor. A little bit. When guys have good fantasy seasons I think we tend to think that they are Really established but I don't know that teams necessarily believe that in some cases and I think MACs are really good example of that. They've never really turned over the full three down work to him. The continued use hines and they had hines there too. So the fact that they took Taylor even with Mac an Heinz. I don't think they're necessarily like wildly in the running back market other than the fact that mack a former fourth round pick is now going into his final year of his contract to me. This is a pretty clear indication. They're not gonNA keep Mac long-term yet and they're making decision right now that Johnson Taylor's early down back to the future they do still have Heinz as Jamie noted. Yeah go ahead. We haven't even talked about Tampa Bay. I mean maybe that's the clearest path other than I want to say other than Edwards alert because I don't know how clear his path is to significant work in Kansas City but Tampa Bay taking keyshawn Vaughn in round three. Maybe he's the guy got the easiest path touches. It's it's pretty interesting but Jamie. I'm I'm a little surprised that you think that Taylor's in the best situation because second behind who ever okay. Sorry so best situation of all the day to guys. I don't know I just feel like that's discounting Marlin Mac. Don't you think MAC IS GONNA lie? Think Ben's laid it out perfectly for you. I think again. It's it's the same type of scenario Dave said at Bensaid. It you know when these teams are telling you what they're doing they're they're speaking volumes about what they think about the guys on the roster but I but I think that the the I think the case the colts take him because they don't see Mac as part of their long-term future via also it also short-term game but in the lions don't maybe don't see carry on his part of their short term future whereas I think it's both I think look I know. You like Marla Mac a lot so they think that factors i. I like him for fantasy because he's behind a great offensive line and his carries. I don't like them that much. As a player I think they just upgraded at running back for sure. I just don't think they're gonNA look it. Took it took an injury to Jordan Howard for them to turn to Mile Sanders and it took a trade of Carlo side for the Browns to turn to Nick Chubb. Almost every running back in the last five years. That's been drafted around two at the NFL. Draft has had to wait a certain amount of time. Sometimes there's only three weeks like Joe Mixon sometimes it was nine like miles sanders. It's not a great situations guys. Don't get put into big work right away. Typically and I think that MAC is on more solid ground. Indianapolis than carry on is in Detroit. I would agree but I also think the Taylor is a better running back in a better situation. I mean you know you're also got a factor and everything around these guys you know so Taylor is going to be in a situation. Where if he proves he's better than MAC which I think he will. Then he gets offense of lying. He GETS THAT COACHING STAFF. He gets that situation whereas the Andrea Swift is in bad offensive. Line with Detroit. He's in a situation. Where maybe carry on is is more talented than Mac and Mike Bensaid under contract for two more years and if he stays healthy then they're both competing for touches. But which do you think is going to beat out the other guy? I think comes down again. Patricia even want one way or is he going to do the bell? Check thing and use them both. That's kind of what I what I'm thinking back if you're on the hot seat and you just drafted running back around to are you more inclined to you know. Give the give the more talented player. We think he's more talented player. I think I think this is a this is a carry on versus swift. I think we're all on the swift camp. Yeah I just say he doesn't have any job security. So Do you think that Patricia turns to swift? I think he's GonNa use the guy that is going to help them win. So you know I. It's it's not a matter of on the new place with because I need to play him to make my job secure if carry on proves to be better than him and let's not this. I mean swift was hurt in two thousand eighteen. All right. Let's move on. I'm so mad. That blank was drafted by blank. Dave you can go first here. I'm so mad that blank was drafted by Blaine. Could say Dobbins for this one to just with the short term kind of feel to it because I wanted to see Dobbin's play now I WANNA now. I don't WanNa have to wait till twenty. Twenty one I'll tell you who I'm mad about. And I think I'm GonNa Steal Ben's Guy I'm mad. Aj Dylan went to Green Bay He he's he just the handcuff. He's so big that I'm really concerned for Aaron Jones down. Aaron Jones scored nineteen touchdowns last year. And they didn't draft him to give third down back which is what they've always done the Jamaal Williams On passing downs. It like his pass protection that's not. Aj Dylan so what are they drafting for? They took him in the second round. I I can't really figure it out but I do think it's not good for Jones who was already going to have touchdown regression coming being terrible for him Jones. It's early down work that they're saying they're they're going to give away just is we had this conversation last week. Adam that earlier this week about you know is risk. You're saying you've seen him going around one. I wouldn't touch until round three at the earliest right now. That's too soon. Let me give a rosier scenario though. What if this just means that Jamal Williams is basically phased out and the one hundred and seven carries in fourteen games that Williams got now just goes to Aj Dylan and maybe Jones Jones hundred seven of them were inside the five. Maybe Joe's don't lots of earned those goal-line cares. Maybe Aaron Jones actually gets more work in the passing game maybe but they. They've always been hesitant. Martha they've always liked Williams. Moore's pass said time and time again. It's his numbers. Pop Win. Davante Adams route is number. But I'm simply playing devil's advocate. I'm not this this is. This is the most awful veteran impacted because again Mac. You could say okay we we we law like Mac as a as a starting fantasy option based on where we had him ranked so we. We liked him but we love. They're like we. We love the setup for whether you thought he's GonNa have aggression like Ben said you were concerned about his number coming down at him. You would still take him somewhere around two. If you're saying they're on drafting your now. It's like I'm I'm I'd be so hesitant to touch him in the second round. I'm taking Clyde Edwards Hilar- over Angel. I'm probably won't draft Aaron Jones anywhere this year. I mean it's I don't think I take him on the fourth. I can't believe but wait Assam yesterday. I'll get into minute dave. Sorry yesterday Jamie you said that you thought Damien Williams is going to lead the chiefs in after after thinking about it on on little sleep. I can change my on okay. I woke up this morning feeling differently than I did last night too and I'm sure that's going to happen tomorrow so I get that but you know. Okay Dave wants you hop in here? I- hogging the spotlight so so at the Combine Matt. Leflore talked about how he wants to have three running backs how he thinks that you need to have three to really make for good run game in the. Nfl is this what he's doing is he gonNa make some bachelor? Could it be? It could be that. He's next three guys this year but Aaron Jones is in a contract here. Jamal Williams wasn't great last year. I I'm I'm more inclined to take Dylan with Jones than I would be Jamal Williams with Jones. I'm kind of done with Jamal Williams. Oh you're not excited at all about Aaron Jones just like you guys aren't but good players find a way to to get on the field and play effectively and that's all Aaron Jones's done When he's been given the chance plenty of weeks where he's just. He's found the answer twenty eight touchdowns in his last twenty games. I'm hoping that he can still redeem himself with some value. But I I'm with you. I don't think he he'd certainly not around one pick and I'm going to have a tough time taking him in round two. Yeah I mean the way that he can redeem himself with some value. That like. That's what you say about number. Two running he saved by round five running backs right He. He could score eight touchdowns and still have a good season but he's nowhere near where he was. Gosh Guide and I missed so surprised by this site. I just running back to tell you. What team did that the saints in that for Years Right? Remember the Pierre Thomas Darren sproles and sell yeah and the Patriots the Patriots as an Avon could be that Mike Bell or Chris Ivory that they always had still use to other backs and some of those guys were great but it. It's hard man's harder three backs. This this guy is doing is a monster. He is an absolute monster. And so like I. Just give example. I was going back. I was doing research I had a we had is as Simmons on Efi and I looked at Isaiah Simmons and Clemson and I was just looking to see what runningback face because we actually were talking running back and so the Boston College team wasn't very good wasn't bad but it wasn't good and he went for eight and touchdown against Clinton he's just a monster he's just an absolute You like him a lot but you just say wait as the packers yeah justice. But he's he's he's okay but he's not like an explosive and you know who else is a monster. Yes all he's not. He's not a versatile guy. He's not going to be catching passes all over. The Derrick Henry ran a faster for you. Second like your best friend even jumps. He's he's the same athlete is Derrick Henry. So as their candidate explosive even more of the same number. He's explosive okay. So sorry who's not a monster guy. Aaron Jones Eric jolted. The proof is in the pudding. Aaron Jones has been one of the most efficient running backs every time he touches the ball every time they give him the ball. He does great things he has made he has been a really really good player in his NFL career career. It's been great effective in the same office. I just told you what happens with all these round two running backs and he was almost around three running back. He was almost at the very end around two. They don't that the work they don't get it out of the gate it. It almost never have to be out of the gate and it doesn't have to be as -nificant work. Oh it could just be enough to ruin Aaron Jones. That much where he goes from around two picks around four. Well he's GonNa have to. They're going to have to have Jamal Williams pretty involved as well. If that's going to be the case and I isn't it possible that Jamal Williams just pushed to the side here. It is possible absolutely. It's also possible that Aaron Jones hurts his knee early on or doesn't get off to a good start to the season in. Aj Dylan just takes over. I'll get schools. Ejido can hurt you. Don't hey don't don't get me going it's possible. Aj Don't take over greenback you'll elegant we're talking about here that's why that's why if you take if you draft him in fantasy. I think it's gotTA BE PRETTY LATE. Andrade but you got to commit to holding onto him for at least a month and how many people are going to do that unless they have Aaron Jones already on the squad but those would be the two packers running back go get. Let's do these fill in the blanks. Real quick to finish up The best rookie wide receiver selected on day two will be blank channel. I'll say mems but I don't really love any of them. The best rookie running back selected on day two will be Blake Taylor where this year. Oh yeah good question issue. This year launched Fisher. I'll take Taylor for both. I'll take swift for this year. Taylor long-term and the number one pick and rookie drafts will be blank. Edward Filler. That says will be so. I'll say Edward Solaire. I do think he will be but I would take pills. I think I'm going to tailor at one. Oh One night's and just sort of see what happens this year and wait for him to go crazy and dads idea. Max GonNa be gone at Twenty Twenty One. That could be gone. Middle at twenty twenty could be on the bench. Yup I asked on twitter. Who will be the best rookie running back and fantasy football and Clyde Edwards e layers running away with it forty seven point one percent of the vote. D'andre swift twelve point eight percent. Jonathan Taylor twenty two point. Five percent and other seventeen point six percents Let's see if I have any. You want to get to the bucks now. Yes yeah. Let's get to the Balk but you just skip them. Let's go one cares but yeah well okay the bucks in round three they take a running back and Scott reports aren't so global on Keyshawn Vaughn at Vanderbilt Lonzo. Yes terrible he He was ever senior bowl I he's he doesn't have great power but he's kind of. He's kind of Stout. He doesn't have great speed but he's got good lateral agility particularly for for this is that he is but he's got good hands and heat seems to be a pretty good pass protector. So my guess is that the bucks took one look at him and said if he's around For us to take in round three. Let's let's put him on the squad and have them compete with Ronald Jones. He's doing nothing. I'm not drafting Ronaldo. I have to make a point about the packers of sorry. Do you know when Derek. We drafted second round psych man. Do you know what he did as a rookie. Nothing yeah you know why because they had DeMarco Murray okay rose and they wrote DeMarco Murray. You cannot just assume that a guy is GonNa get a big workload Adam. This isn't necessarily say. Aj Dylan is going to be good. This is not about Asia. Dylan this is about what Dylan is doing to Aaron Jones. He's going to lower his value already down on Aaron Jones to begin with. I don't understand why you're going too far then does the. Why Take Joe's at all your much? You take them in round three. You were saying that you weren't GonNa take him in round one. Yes so so. He's not going round one. What I'll just myself what I was saying was I'm not taking him around too so I would take him in round three but there is enough of a downgrade from. Aj done that. That might be too soon but yeah that's what I think. He definitely deserves to be around three. Because I think Jamal Williams just gotta get hurt more than anyone. Of course. I don't know what your this while Williams had a big role last year so I just think like Jamal Williams is just not that good. What's the point of even using him but they liked to? That's what the Niagara telling you and Air Jones. Had his biggest games wind. Jamal Williams was out to games. He was out in two games. He left early. Those are the four games. Aaron Jones played right. A seventy five percents tap share and he ran four hundred yards in three of them. He had a high percentage of touchdowns in those games not good when Jones is not playing seventy five percent of the snap. But it's not that bad that's the thing and that's why you're what you just said is exactly what I was saying. I didn't think he should be a first round. Pick you know before the NFL draft. But I just think like he's too good to not be there lead running back. He's going to be running back with us. She is going to be swayed me a little bit me a little bit. That Amari points going up is going to be there. Lea running back no. That's by by a long shot. I would take him anywhere. I'll take him in the. Hey about that was leflore in Tennessee when Derrick Henry was there yes oh my God he sees he sees what you see. Ben Yes they said this on on our show today the Eric version. This is the floor trying to recreate the titans. Okay yes he remembers the Titans Now. So so you'd rather take. Schon von Than Ronald Jones. Or you think you'd rather have keyshawn. Johnson value over Ronald Jones Jamie I. I have ranked on ahead of Jones by. I think it's going to be a training camp. Battled to watch and so it's not set in stone right now. I'm sorry it's not set in stone but right now I would take over Jones because I do think that his skill set is better for the bucks right now. Then Roy Jones I. I don't have it that way now. I might pull an Edwards Alaron. Wake up tomorrow and say you know what? I'm I'm just GonNa take the the rookie I but I think that the camp battle is legit. I think Ronald Jones being there gives them a little bit of an edge. But this could be a nauseating split between the two of them were. They're both playing forty percent of the snaps in the Negombo Y. Takes the rest. The idea that I I'm floating is take one of them around six around seventeen the other one in round seven around eight and just mix and match until one of a men's of being good for your fancy team. The problem is when when it's enunciating split like that you guys know. I love the pass catching back and we didn't get that from Jones last year and what we got. I think Jones was better than most people. Think you guys all know that I love him. I think he was really good as runner. But what we heard repeatedly is he can't pass block. He got benched for that pulled out of a game early. He can't pass block. Bruce Senator Ron cows not like him and they went and they got a pass catching a pass blocking running back. I think Schrager is the one our producer Ben. Traeger pulled out the staff that he was ranked third in this class in pass blocking key. Schon they were going to draft a passing downs back. They did that. He's going to play on passing downs so wrong Jones. He can get the early down. Worked with Jamie you gotTA rank ahead. Because he's GonNa play the passing downs on Tom. Brady offense is going to catch passes. You gotta like that and Davies said something there which I think is relevant but from the other side of it. You said he's been there. It doesn't matter the quarterbacks different so the fact that Ronald Jones is been in Brazilian system. I don't think he's going to be a big difference for what he knows in this offense or what will have to pick up. He's gotTA learn Tom Brady. They both do. And so. That's going to be an even playing over bogus. So where are you guys? GonNa Draft von. I'm taking over the government for Kimball. Okay ooh which is where I was taking. Don't Ben Yeah. I don't like David Montgomery. I probably the seventh for Vong Eighth Von Dame Williams on Vaughan. Yeah Fun I Would Take Jones. Ambon ahead of another note. Pf wrote a lot about this. That venables offensive line was really poor last year. And I didn't watch a ton of Vaughan tape but I did look at his numbers he is yards per carry was surprisingly really good compared to some of these late around backs like with him and with acres and guys like this. That are on bad teams. And you see that. They're able to produce like acres lower five yards per carry von back to back thousand yard seasons back to back ten touchdown season and. I'm just a miserable team. So when they're able to overcome their circumstances in their surroundings then they get in hopefully good situations in good surroundings. That's when you see some of these guys that can pop. Yeah it's interesting because I think I just have a different. Nfl draft philosophy than most people. I think it's kind of overrated now. I started out to show talking about how we're going to have some superstars and we probably will but I talked about the really good round to around three running backs that were drafted in the last five years. I didn't mention TJ Yeldan and Amir Abdulah I didn't mention Balata. Hunts ZAC MOSS? I didn't mention. Kevin Coleman has been fine Duke Johnson Matt Jones. Cj prosise Deontay Foreman Royce Freeman. And we'll see what happens with Damian Harris and Darryl Henderson and even David Montgomery so to just it's kind of interesting to hear you say you take Vaughn over a guy like Damian Williams who I think he's very I think he's very good. I think he's losing his job. Yeah otherwise we wouldn't be ranking words. `ALERTS IS WE ARE? Jamie's going all in on Edwards Layer. They took him in the first round. They took him as the first back off. The board took three picks ahead of the lights that was their first pick like they made it very clear statement again. What does the team telling us? They already had four backs on their roster. They decided that this guy is a difference maker. Andy Reid reportedly said that. He's better than Brian. Westbrook was frankly the best right. I've ever coach Jan if you if you see the The enthusiasm of Andy Reid and breadth meat when they were on the conference. Call the teleconference with her with Edwards Allaire and they were talking up for week in the enemy. Has You know gone all in and Tell Them. This is the guy we gotta get. Go get him there. Go get them. Go get him. I mean A I know last night I said no Williams coming off the super bowl performance but he just can't stay healthy. I think they're tired of this. And I said this on. Hq Today you go back to twenty seventeen. We were saying Kareem Hunt going to be better than Spencer and that played itself out after work. I hurt We don't know how it would have happened. If if where competed for the job and at what point it would be the most inter- situation of him taking over. But you saw what he did with the last young talented running back that he had and he was leading rusher as I don't think that Edwards layer is going to get to that height where he was a top five fantasy running back that season. But in this offense where it's the same thing dame's gone after this year. Darrell Williams is hurt and just just a guy. The Andre Washington understand. Why they signed with the new. Were going to do this. And Donald Thompson was six round pick. So there's not a big investment to anybody else but him yet it will give you another copy for many reads recent history. He led a good stable quarterback. Go the turnover. The offense to a quarterback he loved it batch mounts he let Alex Smith go they want glide Hilar- to be the running back. They're going to let him play. Ben Where you taking. I'm taking run to. I don't know if I can clarify but I maybe haven't thought enough through it but yeah I mean maybe so what sold me on. Moving him up way. More as I started thinking about. Well what could he do on a on a week to week basis and I think if you give them four receptions a week Zach crazy and out APP now or catches Week I don't think that's crazy. So let's say he stays healthy for sixteen games just to put optimism up up front here. That's over sixty catches right off the top. He was catching fourballs. Game is probably averaging north of seven yards per catch. So that's thirty yards. If he's on the field enough to catch four passes per game and we think he's going to take over or at least get the lion's share of the work that's gotta be a floor of ten carries a week and that's being super-conservative it could be way higher And he can average four yards per carry. So if he's getting forty rushing yards and thirty receiving yards a game seventy total yards a game time. Sixteen that's over well over a thousand yards And then it comes on two touchdowns and there's a lot of touchdowns on the table for running backs there. I don't know if he can get double digit touchdowns. I don't know if he can pull. Numbers like Kareem Hunt had as a rookie but I. Let's go super-conservative five touchdowns that super concerts. You would eleven hundred yards sixty. Atlas V has five touchdowns not GONNA be around to pick. That's for sure no he won't but maybe I'm being way too conservative. You might be listening right now in thinking. There's no way he's only scoring five. If he played sixteen games he might score eight. And now if it's eleven hundred total yards which I admit is conservative and eight touchdowns and sixty catches. That's good well. That's a tough. That's a top running back from last year was pretty good. Npr You know. Who's going to get the lion's share of the carries though De'andre so we have done a lie. I hope anyway I laughed. Thank you appreciate it. Okay it was genuine chocolate. Let me ask you real quick. Your thoughts on Zach Moss in Buffalo. Who you drafting for ZAC. Moss or Devon Single Terry Zinc. I might be the only one here that still like single dairy a lot. I'm taking neither at any price. This is one that will not. I will not back from I. I won't take either. It's the worst I Love High Value Touches. I love receptions in Red Zone goal-line Green Zone whatever touchdown scoring opportunities. It's not about that with running back so we look for and I've made his case many times on the pods all. I'll make it really brief. But Josh Allen scrambles he doesn't check down and he scrambles in the red zone runs for a time touchdowns eleven carries inside the ten last year nine rushing. Td's it was already going to be hard enough for Devon Single Terry to get those high value touches now. He's GonNa Split them with Moss. Who Was it pass Catcher in college? They're going to split the limited receptions that are there. They're not going to score on a touchdowns it's I don't want to okay and by the way. Jamie how to hop off to do so well can I defend my devon? Take the Ayrshire He had nearly thousand total yards in twelve games last year. Average five point four yards per touch. I think moss is kind of like Devon single -tarian that he you know bounces off defenders and can can make yards after contact. But I don't think he's as good single tears. Three months older single Terry's healthier. I think single tour is a better pass catcher than Moss And I'd be disappointed if Zac Moss went from third round. Pick to go line guy for for the bills. I think single Terry is going to be first in line for that. I will take him with the top fifty Beck silty four carries inside the ten last year. I know because they did swank gory. Gory one hundred. Franko had eleven inside five. He had twenty five inside the two thousand eighteen inside the ten that so there are some carries. They're just hoping that I forgot. Goes I think single. Terry's a good back. I WANNA be clear. I think he's a really good back there. Just guys to me that are always gonna go something like someone like Dave in. My League likes the talent and see some upside there. I just don't see as much statistical upside. It's a fantasy specific take k. I wanted to give a one more thought on the running backs. Facebook post of the day comes from James Ingram somewhere. I was kind of bitching about Clyde Edwards layer and his low forty time. Someone remind Adam that Kareem Hunt ran a four. Six two at the combine. Seems like he fared pretty well in the chiefs offense rushing title his rookie season. Clyde the glide will be just fine everyone uses Kareem Hunt as the cop right so like just because one guy did it. Everyone can do it. I'm not that worried about Gladys hilarious. But I I do think that's. That's not the best evidence. Okay we did have some other running backs taken Darren Evans don't expect a big role from him fell. But he's he's the backup now in Tennessee. Yeah so if if you draft Derrick Henry whether you want to or you just falls to union settle on him and you're nervous about that workload that's the guy to get as of now Handcuff him so. Let's talk about the wide receivers now busy. Round to the first two picks t higgins to Cincinnati six foot. Four two hundred sixteen pounds big guy out of Clemson and pick right. Yeah yeah well you may or it's a it's a writing on the wall pick it yes kind of like a Lotta. The running backs were a degrees tag. This year not signed long-term. I certainly now won't be there till twenty twenty one. He needs long-term number one right. So right They and Michael. Pittman the next pick out of USC. The colts and other six foot four guy really liked that fit. He's a big receiver. I know I know Dave two I take up too much time but big receiver ahead good in the short to intermediate range and a great complement to to him. Well why don't we go through sort of a group of picture round two weeks? The first half of the wide receivers taken around to so higgins goes to the bengals pittman goes to the Colts Chenault to the Jaguars. And let's stop here. Caja HAMBLUR TO DENVER. They take a wide receiver in round one and round two Denver or getting Jerry Judy and Caja Hamblur Hammer is a five foot. Nine one hundred and seventy pound guy gets a lot of yards after the catch also drops Zada Penn state so between Higgins. Pittman should often handler. Okay we're not going to even think higgins like he's not going to get drafted right and redraft league the Bengals you know it depends on how things shake out in camp for for the bengals. J. Green healthy is John. Ross healthy like for this year. He's going to be the key. Backup to both those guys okay. But that's all he is so then let's talk about. That's that's what he is for. Twenty torn Pittman Chenault and handler. And what do you think Dave Chenault would be my favorite of the three for twenty twenty? Handlers you know five nine one seventy eight really productive. You know very athletic Slot really fast very fast. But you're you're you're putting him in the Bronx is a great pick for their for what they've done now. They have Sutton Judy on the outside. They fan at tight end. They have him in the slot. It's a great weaponry for drew. Lock if he's good. He's got all the chances in the world be good. We gotta talk about him as a late round pick. Yeah but handlers. Not a pick right. He's like the point there. Is that Sutton and judy are going to get the majority of the targets and then and then fat and then hamlet probably Chenault is a guy who dominated production at Colorado as a sophomore account for forty six percent of their receiving yards in Games. He played which was nine. He's got wide receiver skills. People talked about his running back body. He's six one to twenty two twenty six or twenty seven evenings like a Ezekiel Elliott is the calm. People have been giving because like he's a big fit guy But he has wide receiver skills the ability to really dominate production. In an offense. I want him to go somewhere where he could. Get targets guarded. Menchu's a good enough quarterback and we don't know who the starter long-term but he played a might lead to system. He could throw a lot. He was pretty good last year. I think he can support a couple of receivers again good complementary piece similar to men where DJ charges number one. It's Downfield Guy. Chenault a guy who does a lot of work. Around the line of scrimmage good after the catch Guy Kinda similar to AJ browned. I don't want to put the money to your bronze level. Quite yet. He also ran a lot of wildcat offense. 'cause they just wanted to get him the ball. He had seven rushing touchdowns. He's a really dynamic player. Can Lineup inside outside. I really liked the fact that he's going to a team where he can get a lot of volume. Let's look at the next four guys taken around to Chase Klay Pool out of Notre Dame goes to Pittsburgh and other big guy six foot four. He's interesting he was drafted. Forty ninth overall. They have now used fairly early. Pick on a wide receiver. Three straight. Well not even including Juju right. James Washington was around to pick. He was sixtieth overall. Deontay Johnson was sixty six overall. And now Chase Klay Pool forty ninth overall. So is clay pool. Well ask you after I talk about. Everybody is capable the number two receiver in Pittsburgh this year. Van Jefferson goes through the Rams Denzel mims to the jets as their only seven not eight wide receivers in round. Two of the last three are capable to the steelers van Jefferson to the Rams Denzel suggests the rams the rams took the highest graded player on their board when they took band Jefferson. I don't see how he contributes this year and maybe even next year unless there's an injury or unless Josh Reynolds gets wrapped But I I loved him at the senior bowl. He was one of my favorite players overall. While is they're just an amazing route. Runner gets opened with his feet. Doesn't have speed has great hands has pretty good size. He's like a poor man's Justin Jefferson. So I get. Why the Rams light him I just hate the landing spot for him and he's probably going to be. He's not gonNA help anybody in fantasy in twenty twenty mims in New York Has a chance at least to be the number three receiver and if Brad Perriman does his you know frying Pan Hands. Dance and cancelled on the ball. Maybe mims ends up being the number one. So I'm I'm I'm intrigued by mims going to New York and I think the jets have done the right thing this off season and in the first round by improving their offensive line. That'll give donald a chance to attack. Deep Play Pool does mims. Oh this mims remind you. Real quick of decay metcalf at all metcalf was the social order with pick sort of. I get Klay. Pool does physically to me more. Yes sure but I I I get what Adam saying because I don't think mims is a finished product yet. Just like Makino well. What was the knock on Metcalfe? Besides the injuries was that he didn't have a complete rout tree right. So mims doesn't have that either and the one thing I noticed with mims is that I don't think he separated with his speed very often. He separated by being physical with defensive backs. So he's got to work on that he's gotTa work on his foot work to help him get open a little bit. Yeah it's made a great senior bowl. He was almost. He really was not talked about very much until the senior bowl and he he was making plays. There were a lot of good receivers at the senior bowl and he might have ended up being the best one by the time. The week was over Clayton who was also at the senior bowl. The man is a behemoth like they talked about him. Being tight end But he's six four the to twenty I think to thirty somewhere in that range And he can run for for. He's he's really just an incredible specimen and you think about how the steelers are with their receivers. Their track record's pretty good. I think laypeople could be someone that I'm looking for in dynasty drafts as a long-term fixture and one last point on him. He's not that he's Canadian. That's not the point. But he was really an unknown he posted his highlights online and then he started getting offers to play college in the states in Notre Dame stepped up High Character Kit. Steelers are GonNa like that. He's not going to be a problem in the locker room. I didn't know Dave thanks. Canadian says you had. I did actually union. He said all the time every time. Text me it's like some Anti-canada thing always you know he. He and his Damn Syrup okay. So he's and he's and he's a cool. He's a down to Earth Dude. No one knew and his birthday was. I was trying to get his birthday for scouting report that we did and so ideas end is dams were opened and I slid into his dis. He was so happy to tell me. And you know I wish them well in the draft process. Thanks a lot man. You know looking forward to helping people and fantasy football so it's not the reason. Why am talking? Positively about him but he seems to be a good guy thinks steelers fans alike and I think Ben Rothlisberger love throwing. Footballs nine feet. I so that he can come down with them in the end zone. And then Antonio Gibson was taken by the redskins you see you could see him listed as a running back same with Lynn Boden. These guys are kind of do it all sort of players boat and went to Las Vegas Brian Edwards to Las Vegas with the next pick. And what did you think of of? I'm sorry on him but Boden and and Gibson. They're kind of the same guy right. They're both like offensive weapons. Yeah I think bone is going to be a receiver is a Boehner about. I think it's bound. I don't know I'm pretty hard check. I'll double check it But I believe it's pronounced Gibson Antonio answered a Yoga Abson. Yes I think it. I think he'll be a running back for Washington. I shouldn't I have no idea. That's how I've said it in my head so out of you have any inclination than its Boden. It's probably Boden. He played the Slot House as a sophomore and was really productive. Good good Team adjusted volume and then he started the season last year in the slot Thirty balls in the first few weeks. They had some quarterback injuries. He took over as their quarterback because he played quarterback in high school he only through seventy four passes the rest of the year but he ran Over two hundred times rent for fourteen hundred yards sixteen touchdowns something ridiculous Out of essentially a wildcat offense where he was playing quarterback kind of like a Julian Edelman Story. He played quarterback in college Antwan randle El obviously comes to mind. He's good he. He was good enough to be To have really good production out of the slot his sophomore year and then his His junior to be that good in a a wildcat quarterback situation where he's basically their whole offense so they can you know. They announced him as a running back. Which is the one position. He didn't really play but obviously racked up a ton of rushing production It'll be interesting to see how they use him. Obviously a lot of ways they could do that. Gibson is another guy who doesn't really have a position he started. Junior college went to Memphis in mostly played admit receiver he caught. I think forty four balls in Had thirty three carries in his two years at Memphis is not a lot of touches and a lot of scouts to prejudge process. We're talking about how he most. I think we're a report that thirty one team. Time is running back on their board Most looked at him in it. He's running back. He's basically a clone. Jonathan Taylor is two hundred and twenty seven twenty eight pounds about the same size as Taylor and runs a four three nine just like Taylor at least in terms of size speed. What we don't know is whether he can put the running back position because he hasn't done that but He could very easily be a Chris. Thompson type. I saw somebody competent. Deebo Samuel I think that makes sense to like he could play out in the slot and working in the backfield and split out wide. The Washington has so many running backs. I really still like Bryce love who we didn't see all last year because of his knee injury. We know about Darius guys you know. Adrian Peterson still there. They added paid Barbara. They have nine million running backs. So how Gibson gets on the field is a little tough to see but a really intriguing offense to weapon. Both of those guys good Athletes in Gaza that if used correctly could definitely be valuable quick thoughts on the tight end. Actually we haven't wrapped up by receivers. I want to know how you look at these day to wide receivers compared to the day one guys in terms of fantasy. You know whether it's Chenault or whether it's mims whoever your favorite is maybe it's Pitman or clip awebber. I think probably Chenault mims are going to be of this group. Most People's favorites For Twenty twenty. How do they compare to the guys that went in round one you know? Could they sneak in there as the top fantasy options for the season should not can? I definitely have Chenault over like I? I have met. I might have them over Jefferson. I don't know how much the Vikings are gonNA throw Raiders and interesting question is We got to see. Who Do you like? Who Do you like in round one that that I I like just about everybody in round one except for our fantasy this year. Well I mean the lead varies as far as like some of them I love. Like Reagan's my favorite. I think judy and lamb can be good. I think long term. I might talk myself into putting rigor third on that list and putting lamb. Judy probably lamb. And then judy ahead of them And then rugs is in that mix to. I don't want to you know pooh-pooh him and say that he's you know just just dude with four to seven speed like. I think he's better than your typical bad fast. Receiver pick that out. They have issues to make. He's better than Darius Hayward Bay. So who is your favorite favorite rookie wide receiver for this year? And then who for long-term Hoon Dynasty? I'll say Raygor for this year and I really haven't figured it out yet so please take this in Pencil. Adam I'll say lamb lambs by dynasty and I feel much much more confident about that one kind of the inverse Dave. I haven't really thought about this year too much but Like really weighed these close. I mean obviously a lot of kind of interesting landing spots. I think you can make a case for Chanel. That hot. I really do they. I think he's GonNa be in my top five for long term for dynasty for wide receivers particularly that for forever position and for this year. Right away I think he might project for the most targets of anyone this class. I don't I don't think he'll he'll be. I don't think he'll project for the most targets But I think he's he could be the best receiver that was taken today. I'm thinking about him versus mems like it's one of those two were the best for day to adding. Both those guys are going to be better than you can. Twenty twenty. You're talking about Jackson all this cushion Alz and the and landed in a in a in a good spot where he's going to get A. I don't know about leading the rookie class targets. Could he get one hundred Even sure about that at eighty five and all. Yeah it was going to get him de Westbrook's twenty six. He's never had seven hundred fifty yards in shark is there and I think is is more than just a deep threat guy immense who loves them. Yeah but around. He'll take targets away too so like I am a little I am I. I got a crunch the numbers to really feel good about Chanel. Getting over one hundred. I don't think Dede Westbrook is ever going to do it personally. In and I. Who else did you just know? I tell you say hundred hundred targets. Yeah Yeah I mean should also number two option. I think last year. Yeah I think she gets one hundred fifteen uber easily. How many rookie. Wide Receivers get one hundred fifteen targets. It's GonNa be a handful this year. I just don't think it happens very often. No but this. This is a rare rookie class. and Johnson and a good spot. Yeah I'm kinda interested to see I'm GONNA do. Let's do a little odd. The spot research. Aj Brown eighty four targets. Yeah but didn't play fulltime to leak ten ninety three targets. Deebo Samuel Eighty. One decay metcalf. One hundred dairy slayton eighty three. This is what I'm saying like I just think the NFL draft is overrated. And I think you're too is when wide receivers go if you're a good wide receiver. Yeah some of them are going to be great near what I get that sweet spot like I. I agree with that. I don't like that's why I was saying I might take. Chenault as my best option for twenty twenty because I don't think there's going to be a ton they get to win fifteen. I agree with Dave. This is a special class. The chance at like two or three do but like I think. Chenault is the one that has the most target upset greater hosted an NFL draft episode and said the NFL draft is overrated. Say About Coal commenced to the bears around to Devon Aussie Aussie and Dalton keen to the Patriots around three jobs. Zayed's Guevara too the packers around three Adam Trautmann to the saints in round three. That's an interesting one trautmann. Trautmann might be the most interesting tight end that was drafted so far over commit like what is interesting interesting. Meaning a chance to be a really good fantasy option. You think you're called him the most complete tight. No not the I'm thinking long term who Trautmann or Traumat- I don't think he's the most complete tight end in the class. I think that's combat yet. I meant he's got I think he's got more upside than vertical. Commit right like he can get downfield. Mex- GOING TO BE LIKE BEST CASE SCENARIO. A chain mover. Yeah Trot Trotman's a hell of an athlete. He's he's a former quarterback Dominated at the FCC slowly had fourteen touchdowns in seventy catches in eleven games. I mean he looked like he looked like big John. Stud going up for passes against jobbers. Like 5-foot-6 jobbers which is what the FCS's when you're a six foot five tight end and obviously the NFL's lot different than that. But he's still a big dude and I think he's actually got room to fill out a little bit and get a little bit stronger and he. The offense they played and in college was West Coast. Based that's what the saints have. I don't think he's GonNa make an impact this year. I mean rookie. Tight ends almost never make an impact this year but I I think he's I think he's got a real nice shot to be an impact layer Twenty twenty one twenty twenty two and beyond and I just looked at up commits. Actually Faster. So trautmann's vertical. But Yeah I had. My treatment was faster okay. Drama apparently ran for eight. I thought he was quicker than that. But you know yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember that you know. Yeah that's all right. Trautmann hundred fifth overall to the saints and yet. We're probably not going to have a really good rookie tight end. It's pretty rare. Heath has Trautmann as his top rookie tight end in. Redraft this year and was ad. Look it's GonNa be hard for coconut. They just signed just signed Jimmy. Graham so come the cliff notes is what day just said the tight end rookie. Tendons don't often head and this is a poor class and that's it like you. I don't think you draft any of these guys in redraft and I don't even think dynasty you take him before the third round late second. I think I think given all the players that we have this year. Work Round my feet where you go thanks guys. Well let's get this podcast out to the masses. Thanks David Ben and driving. He marriage odes.

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Episode #134  What If

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Episode #134 What If

"It is friday. December fourth welcomed minutes sports episode. What is this one. Thirty four hundred thirty four episodes who would have thought really going to have a cool segment at the end of the show. So there's a gentleman named dave mad dog demarco that is east lansing. Sports radio vet of of i think twenty five years. He's going to say in the interview. I forget what he said. I think twenty five years even doing sports radio up in east lansing covering michigan state and really michigan sports period. And i'd mad. Dog is going to join us on the other show. We're going to talk about this game. Give us his insight into michigan state. But also more importantly and i think more entertaining. We're gonna talk about the kind of the history of michigan state. All the way back to nick sabin and john l smith and we're gonna talk about something that people think about or know about how urban meyer in two thousand and three. We went after the michigan state. Job hard and they passed on urban and hired john l smith. We're gonna talk about kind of the landscape of college football. And how different would this world look like. If urban got the michigan state job instead of utah and how different would michigan state beat today so really really cool conversation really excited to have mad dog on also gonna talk about everything going on in the country. Urban meyer texas is that is that a real thing. I'm gonna give you my insight. What i hear and if it is done if it does happen who he'll hire. What will happen at ohio state with all the people he poach is or maybe he doesn't coach. We'll find out we're going to talk a little bit about the big ten in absolute failure. I feel like. I say that every episode every episode. We're gonna talk about the big ten and how bad they fucked up. How about that. So anyways quick word from one of our sponsors. Then we'll get to the show. Ever since i started out. 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It is simple math so check it out when you get a chance but enough about that enough about adds enough about gambling enough about the preview. Let's get to the show you got barbecue by five phoenix. You'll be pleased to know this. The last time on hosted by. Don't care anymore on joking. I never did no physicians and lecture the public about anything you know nothing about the real world it. After the ten fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty thirty five forty forty five fifty forty five. Got a football looking for me. The press combatant speaking they are. We thought they were trouble with. It's picked up by michigan. State jalen watts jackson author. Get the fuck outta here okay. Welcome to episode one thirty four and before we get started. I had something come across my time line. I think it was twitter. Maybe or instagram doesn't matter but there's a couple of people that i when i see that they post a video or content. I listened to it because it might speak to me that day. Gary v is one of them. I've talked about it before. Gary i think is one of the best entrepreneurs in the business in the game and the content he puts out at sometimes. It just speaks to my core and another guy that here. And i'm gonna play right now for. He's got him inky johnson. If you don't know him look him up. He's phenomenal a guy that had a horrific injury at tennessee when he was playing Had a promising. Nfl for future essentially lost his arm. But you know you have to listen to him talk about story but he drops knowledge and speaks volumes soul a lot and so i want to play something that i heard from inky. Just maybe change your day. Give you a different perspective. So here's inky johnson. To start your weekend off right. I would say the first step is still change expectation for appreciation Right like the expectations that we have to do whatever it is that we wanna do switch to like it's almost the mindset of. I don't have to get to write approach. Everything would a level of gratitude. Secondly look at the things that you do see what you can extract from it so when you lose it really a loss if i can extract a level of dedication from it like when i didn't make it to. Nfl looked at the process and said okay. I gotta hang up the cleats. Bellamy extract that mindset. They may extract their work at the extract that dedication and commitment so now that extract that i can apply to anything that i want to do in my life and get a chance that success but most importantly man you gotta you gotta you gotta look at things and say like at a certain point like eliminate the outcome stop. Being driven by rewards. Stop being driven by outcome. Stop being driven. If i get this. I'm gonna do this just work and if you don't get what you thought you were going to get up and go to work because along the process what's more important. What you acquire a who you become. As and a lot of people think what they acquire is the thing that makes them who they are as you become in the process of chasing what you want to acquire right change expectation for appreciation extract lessons and the blessing from the situations. That didn't turn out the way you wanted him to turn out. But most importantly man approach it and eliminate the outcome right. Just go for work. go to work. I'm telling you that. Hit me hard. Because i as i'm been on a two year journey it's been wild right. You're you're you're constantly thinking about. How am i gonna make money. How am i going to provide for my kids college. How am i gonna pay the bills. How am i going to you know. Buy this buy that. Pay this bill and so minute. So often i lose sight of just focus on the growth of myself and just grind just work wake up every day and work everything else will take care of itself and you know what ten years from. Now you'll be more. You'll be happier about the growth then you will about paying off your house right now. Obviously that's easy to say like if you lose your house that's catastrophic but just go to work go to work and when shit hits the fan. I mean i've had months where it's been like it. Looks like there's no way out. And if just get to work just grind something will happen something to matriculate and good things will happen so wanted to kind of get your get your weekend headed in right direction. Started off on a right foot because that definitely started my weekend off on the right foot. So i hope you enjoyed it. Hope you enjoy when. I share stuff like that. And if you don't fast forward just wait a minute and it'll be over but anyways college football playoff in full effect if you didn't see the rankings. We are moving people down for no reason cincinnati's now at seven florida jumped him. No idea why some of these georgia is eight. I mean honest to god. I don't know how you put any of these teams higher than byu or coastal carolina or marshall when georgia has no chance of winning national championship. If they make the playoffs they'll get smoked in the semi-final. We know that. I know that anyone with a brain knows that so why. You'd even consider georgia to play in the college. Football playoff is a joke. Complete joke now. I'm not saying. Byu beat also. But we don't know we don't know if byu will get beat and co kudos to byu for scheduling this coastal carolina game. Because that that's game. I'm most excited about. Byu's coastal carolina. Let's see who the better the two undefeated group of five or independent teams are. That's what i wanna see. So i'm tired of the playoff committee. Rankings and mike. God am i tired of the political nonsense that goes on. Espn if you didn't see kirk. Herbstreit i get it. I guess he pulled or urban meyer. One it didn't want to cause any controversy by standing up for what he what he thinks and believes so he issued a bullshit apology after he said that michigan is going to duck the game on saturday. We're gonna talk about that more mad dog because he's in the state of michigan and a great perspective on the fact that everyone in the state is talking about the fact. That michigan is going to do that. Or they're talking about doing that. But when kirk herbstreit says it's like whoa nicole arbox of the world now. Dan woken they all freaked out. Like i can't believe you would say without verifying sources like what he said what he believes what. The majority of people think is happening maryland. Did it. Florida state did it. Schools are doing it. And if you don't see your freaking idiot a dumb ass and kirk herbstreit says everyone's mad and then he has to issue some teary eyed apology. Nonsense so phony but hey more power to you if you love espn. I can't stand that shit in the hole playoff committee the playoffs selection show. Why is georgia ahead of. Byu you told me that. Don't me that y because georgia's a better team they stink. They stink not even not even up for conversation. I put i put cincinnati in over. He's about where where they belong to be honest with you there. At seven they. I think they unfortunate or not playing tulsa that got postponed or cancelled would have whatever you wanna call it. But we're we're texas and florida are are the fifth tied for the fifth best team with cincinnati. I would say and then you put. Byu right there behind. Cincinnati at nine or the winner of the byu coastal carolina. Game simple as that. But that that is the state of the playoff race. If you if you ask me and i think ohio state is appropriately ranked though there's no basis for putting them behind clemson clemson with a loss. I guess you could say that. Ohio state has shown weaknesses on defense and the run game. So i guess you could make a case that they're the fourth best team but what the playoff committee is telling you. I've already said is that they're showing you that games matter number of games matter if a state does it play. Michigan doesn't play the big ten championship game. That will hurt them. Especially if florida beats alabama florida beats alabama alabama florida in order to name clemson in the playoffs. Sip was that if clemson beats notre dame. Those four teams will be in the playoffs. Six and ohio state. You can mark my words. I don't think it's right. I don't think it's fair. I think it's bullshit and state should get in. But if that scenario plays out. I would bet money that. That's the playoff selection. A six in ohio state sits out on the outside looking in at an alabama notre dame. Clemson florida playoff disgusting. If you ask me. But i think that that is what the playoff committee is saying they would do now. Obviously clemson has to beat notre dame has to beat alabama. I don't think florida we'll beat alabama. So it's probably a moot point but either way. That's what i see happening. And the next thing what the hell did the acc just pool. Did anyone see this. I mean they just out of nowhere. Change the schedule cancelled a game for notre dame game for clemson and miami s to play two more games and basically secured. The fate name is in the acc championship and all clemson us. To do is beat. Virginia tech and there in. I don't know i didn't know you could do that. A conference could just say two weeks left. You know what all right. Just scrap it. We're just gonna do this. Do this change of schedule. You two teams going to play each other even though you didn't plan on playing each other and have at it. I didn't know you could do that. Did anyone else did any of you know you could do that. That the conference commissioner could just come out and be like fuck it change of plans you to play other youtube. Don't a clemson sit one out. Don't play florida state. It was meaningless. Anyways you're going to play end up playing notre dame and we'll see who goes to the playoff basically what they did. It's just wild. Poor poor miami. They thought clemson had two games left that they might not that they were going to lose to florida state but just another opportunity to lose and give miami chance make the acc championship but just wild and speaking at conferences. That's acc not. I mean i'm not saying it was the wrong decision just bizarre. I've never heard of it now. The big ten. I don't know if you could fuck this up more than kevin. Warren has and i've been critical of him. I've also said multiple times that he is the scapegoat for the president's but this is where his failure is in leadership. It's not that he cancelled the season. The president's did now he didn't do a great job helping them. Make the decision to keep it on or re reinstated. It's been his leadership publicly. Like all this stuff going on with the highest right. They had to cancel the illinois game. Michigan outbreak of these rules that they have to play six games to make the championship game. And if they don't they can't make it. And there's no leadership coming out and making a statement except for one guy barry alvarez and so the question is barry alvarez the commissioner of the big ten or should he be i mean i think he should be and that's the big ten needs. He's an he's an administrator but he was an coach forever. He knows the game. He knows coaches. He knows sports. He should be the commissioner of the big ten. I'm starting the campaign. Right now. Barry alvarez for commissioner of the big ten. He came out with a quote already. This quote should have been from kevin warren. You just this. Should i should read this and a hyphen kevin warrant at the end. But instead barry alvarez had to step to the plate he said. I would think that if something would happen to ohio state and they'd have to cancel another game that's something we've got to revisit the big ten championship week. We may make some adjustments on that last week but those things we talk about an certainly. You've got to consider or reconsider. Where's kevin warren coming out with a statement like that they noncommittal statement that not saying that it's good to change or not saying that they're gonna make it right for state but just saying that we might have to revisit that because it might be unfair they can always revisit it and say no. We're going to stick to our guns. They can always say we decided to not revisit it but the public statement it's just an atrocity that kevin warren considered his cush little office making the salary he makes and doesn't have to do shit he doesn't have to talk. He doesn't have to come out and respond. he doesn't have to address anything. What is he paid for. Just to pay for the zoom membership one hundred bucks a month so that all the presidents can get together and he can sit there and moderate holy shit. Signed me up. I'll go be the commissioner of the big ten right now. I don't have to face anything. I don't have to make any decisions. I don't have to publicly talk. I don't have to do interviews with anyone. But my my wack job reporters that i pay like a nicole are bach. I that's all i have to do. Sign me up. I'll take half the pay. I don't even know he's making the pay and do it right now. I mean just think about that. How many people who listening right now would take that job. Everyone every one of us. I could do it from home break here i can do. I could do it from this studio. Even have to move. I could just record the podcast and right after the commissioner. Just ridiculous well. I'm starting to barry alvarez four commissioner the big ten what are you say who's in who's with me who's coming with me. Oh but now. In the news that has swept across the country and specifically longhorn nation and buckeye nation urban. Meyer's gonna take the texas job. Everyone is saying right. Here's what i do know. Texas done with tom. Herman if they can land urban meyer all right now. My opinion is he. They should be done with tom. Herman regardless i mean they're starting running back ingram. Just quit showing up the practice. He announced transferring to captain. Sam caused me and cadence turns have opted out there. Talking about a slew of players are on the brink of hanging up their cleats and waiting to see what happens with. Herman and chris del conte what they're gonna do. There's a train wreck at the worst degree at this point. They have to be done with her. Most people will say. And i have said if you're going to be done with herman you'd better get someone better. Here's a state of longhorn program though. Anyone is better than tom. Herman they have to be done with him regardless if they can get a coach. Who's better than tom. Herman they have to get a new coach because it brings in hope tom. Herman has completely lost the team. He's lost the entire team. You can't get that back. Once it happens it's over. They could bring in anyone in the country and it would be a better situation than having tom her. Run this program for another year. They've lost complete hope. They're running for the hills. I mean it's like roaches scattering in austin texas. They're trying to get out. I mean bijon. Robinson has to be thinking. Maybe i could still go. How state right. But he the post. The one thing that got sent to me was orange blood something or other. Some website reported that the ut board of regents chairman kevin lt. i don't know his name flew to columbus to meet with urban meyer. Which is an absolute blatant lie. It never happened. I mean not only. Do i know people and have sources that said. It never happened. That's also not how it works border regions. Don't just fly to meet. with a coach to gauges interest. They meet with agents. they don't meet with urban. They meet with trace armstrong. That's not how it works. So this internet rumor guy. That has no idea what he's talking about now could could this board of regents chairman flown to columbus to meet with trace armstrong. Absolutely that could have happened where it happened but let me tell you this. Trace armstrong has been in conversation with texas. I know that for a fact to gauge the the details of what texas would want to do. If they made the decision to move on from tom herman and urban was interested. It's very it's like it's like when your best friend talks to a girl for you right like. Would you be interested if he was interested. Well what if he was interested. Would you be interested. They're just trying to feel each other out because deals like this are made long before other decisions are made right. I know this urban meyer is saying he has interest. I believe it has just to fuck with tom. Herman to just dismiss with the little pip. Squeak because he can and he likes to and just to get under. His skin and tom has his skin has to be crawling. He is livid that urban is messing with him in this way and it hilarious but from what i've heard. Urban is not taking the job. He was interested. You know on the surface interested in hearing more anti wanted to fuck with tom so he allowed trace to have these conversations. That's not gonna stop me from telling you who i believe would be urban staff at texas if he did get the job and i was wrong before i told everyone at temple. There's not a chance or urban. Meyer takes the ohio state job and a month later. Hired me at ohio state. So here here we are. But here's who he would hire as his offensive staff first of all his line coach run game coordinator would be justin frye. Ucla coach was for him at florida. One of the best probably the best old line coach in the country. I don't know any better. Justify is hands down the best coach i've ever worked with. Maybe i wouldn't even say outside of but but tied with or or right there with steve adagio. Who's now the head coach at colorado state and he played for steve at indiana was a four year. Starter indiana phenomenal coach. Phenomenal person was a good friend of mine. He would coach for urban. Urban loves him by the way and if urban doesn't hire them and this doesn't all happen just will be the next old line coach at ohio state side. Note whenever stud leaves or you know i loved. I'm not saying he needs to go easy fired and easily. But when stud leaves justin frye will be the coach state. I'll bet a million dollars on it right now. He's also great friends with ryan day. They are they have unbelievable. Mutual respect so justifies. A coach quarterback coaches obvious corey. Dennis gotta get his grandkids there and got to empower corey and help korea longest career. So that will happen. Receiver coach kirk barton. And i discussed it. I didn't kenny. Guidon is the guy because he needs a coach. Here's what he needed. Receiver coach somebody. You can trust somebody who weekend browbeat and just abuse and somebody who will do it however he wants it done. That's what he's always had. He had billy gonzales former player for him coach with him since he was at bowling green. Then he hired zach zanny. Who was a little pip squeak. Did he get browbeat. Also and then he got the job and hired me. I mean he he could mistreat and just beat my ass in and i'm not talking. Negative about him. He did a ton for me and i have a ton of respect for him. I don't even dislike urban. But he knew he could cost me and i was going to stay loyal. That's what he needs and kenny. Guyton is that guy poor kenny. Gee that's my guy to kennedy's my guy. So i feel for. You can't if this if this does go down. running back. Coach will be standing for sure. He will be retained. You need retained coaches to keep not that this. This program really needs some retainment to keep it stable. Because it's the most unstable program in the country but stanton is an one of the finest coaches. I've ever been around great running back coach. He'll he'll be a great head coach one day when he gets his shot and he he He will definitely. He has the heartbeat of the texas team. I promise you the players respect him and love him because type of guy is great father. Great man great husband. great everything. he's one of one of my favorite guys. I ever worked with and then the office of coordinator tight end coach. No one knows. Urban doesn't know right now. You don't know any poster that posted anything that said they knew doesn't know because the office coordinator will be whoever trace armstrong tells urban. He should hire just like when he got the ohio. State job trace told them to hire his other client. Tom hermit and on defense higher his other client everett withers urban new neither so the office coordinator will be whoever traced tells urban higher on the defense side of the ball dc. Chris ash retained especially after winning a national shame. Ship in two thousand fourteen. Great football coach. Great again used to be a friend of mine until he started working for tom. Apparently that's when you're not allowed to be friends with zach smith but yeah not i mean not that we're enemies but there was other coaches at texas that once they left texas told me they were not allowed to talk to me now. We communicate so apparently there's a no friends was asked smith rule in tomor program so chris ash will be the dc four. Sure he'll also. I would imagine key convince urban to retain shave ally who played a corners coach right now at texas who played for hachette wisconsin coach corners for rush rutgers. He brought him into texas. I don't know the guy. But chris ash loves him that much. He must be a great coach. So those three retained coaches stand rate and chris ash. Jv lie simple as that. The divas coordinator co dc linebackers coach dj durkin force. Urban loves him hired him at florida phenomenal. Football coach had an unfortunate situation at maryland. That i'm not saying he didn't do. It did everything right but he's a great football coach and a good person. I know i know him personally. He's not a bad guy. He would never intentionally hurt or put a player in harm's way He would get hired now. My coach our defense coach. However you want to split this staff up. Is randall joyner. Because i believe randall. Joyner is the in the same mould and cut from the same cloth. As larry johnson. And that's what urban meyer. What he is a high energy. I mean you can't get like carrie combs you can't get higher energy than randall. Joyner a phenomenal person. Has i mean faith-based man that i believe he's engaged right now either way he's stable. Home has a brilliant football coach and he his energy and his relationship with the players is at the highest level. So i think urban hiram larry you'll have to push for it but urban hiram and then to round out the staff you need a special teams guy urban special teams guys parker fleming still. It'll have state was his right hand. Man he was just a qc. But i think urban would hire parker to run the special teams closely with dj durkan's guidance is going to be busy on defense but dj would run kind of help. Parker run the special teams with urban. It would be a three man show. Obviously they'd have to get a guy like kenny. Guyton involves stand rayton. But that's how i think. Jill j. lie but he would have to have some role on that. So that's how i see. The ten on the field coaches being obviously one of them being an unknown straight conditioning coach. There's no way urban takes job without mickey muratti. Not a chance. He would not trust his program to anyone else. And i think mick would go. Why not that would mean. Mickey mirada mickey murad career. He was the head strength. Coach at notre dame florida ohio state and texas as a four biggest programs in the country. Outset you outside alabama right. I mean he would have to go. I think he would love it. Niklas re blowing up rebuilding programme. Msc would go. Let me tell you who. I don't think would go mark dantonio. Buckeye fans will be happy about that. I don't believe that mark dantonio would go. Because i think that at some point pantani needs to solidify himself as marco pantani and not urban right hand man mark dantonio and i think that's what he's doing with ryan day. I would never wanna leave. Day if i if i was mark or if i was still receiver coach. I wouldn't leave him to go with urban. I wouldn't i know both of them very well. But i think that. Because there's a guy named john clark if you wanna look him up. He is the director of football operations at the university of florida. He was. I'll give you a quick background. He was a student manager at bowling green. Urban kind of made him his go-to guy right hand man took him to utah. Took him to florida. Promoted him kept him. Going and at some point. John clark said for my career's longevity. I need to branch out. and not. Just be assistant urban go-to guy because what happens is if that's your only identity if urban retires and they bring a new coach in the first thing that coach says is i gotta get rid of the people that are loyal to urban and can't be loyal to me and john clark would have been one of those guys mark. Dantonio could be considered one of those guys. That's what happened to mark dantonio. When must champ and charlie weis came in pantani became an outlier an outcast. Because they didn't like him because he was urban guy and pantani can't do that so john clark ended up taking the same position at mississippi state with dan mullen to get out from urban umbrella or shadow. So i don't believe mark dantonio will work for urban again even if he gets back into it because pantani has to continue to build his own personal brand and identity. That's my belief. And i don't know that for a fact i do. I do know that perfect. So director of recruiting for urban will be aaron. Hodges who's the director recruiting at purdue was urban right hand man of state. Not you know tony kind of got got bigger than that and had to run the whole operation. So aron hodges was urban go-to guy and now errands. killing it. at purdue. he's one of the best in the business. So aaron gets hired as the director recruiting at texas. Which would be hilarious. Because he got into shit with the guy. I don't even the guy's name carrington or something. That is tom's recruiting guys. So that guy. Tom recruiting guy. That gehenna shitting contest with aaron will get fired. So that erin can be hired there you go. That's what would happen now. I do want to bring up for ohio state fans that if that happened. Mickey muratti left fear. Not you will have one of the finest in the business. In my opinion maybe an not an maybe an improvement over mickie morality in his replacement. The new straits edition. Coach will be a guy named frank. Parayno an ohio guy. Akron guy went to walsh jesuit. I mean just ohio guy. Through and through. He has a strength and conditioning coach at the tennessee. Titans right now for mike vrabel now granted. I don't know that. Frank wants to get back into college with the recruiting weekends. Nonsense the nfl's kush life. But i do know this ryan day and frank marino are very good friends. The respect you couldn't have a higher respect level between the two frank loves of the state of ohio loves columbus and he's a former mickey muratti protege. He's actually a guy that. I worked with at florida at marshall at temple one of my good friends now that he's a big. Nfl straight to conditioning coach. So that's who buckeye fans fear not. You would have a phenomenal strength coach in the wings if he desires to get back into college football and i think he would so. That's who it is now getting getting off that because i don't even think that's reality. The ohio state michigan game. We're gonna bring on mad dog to talk about michigan state. I am hearing that. We have multiple. Oh lineman out and multiple safeties out so this is not going to be a walk in the park. I mean it could be just if you'll just place phenomenal. If he gets the ball out of his hands and protects the offense align down a few people. It's going to be a battle but we're gonna be mad dog on to talk about this game all right welcoming now. Onto menace to sports. We preview this. Ohio state michigan state match up. What has been probably a better match up more intense match up in the past. We welcome david mad. Dog demarco from east lansing. Sports radio was up mad dog coach. Zac i doing w. ben at the game. Sports radio April first twenty five years in mid michigan doing sports. Talk radio and i'm still alive. He can't beat that right well. It's sorta like veto cologne. You know sick shot. And he's still alive shots and he still alive so yeah it's sorta like that. Yeah i mean there's been a lot of opposite downs in the last few years in east lansing with everything that's going on off the sports arena in the sports arena and the new coach. Not many people know too much about him spill. And it's been a wild season so far wild right. I mean you to in one against ranked opponents. That's that's absurd considering the losses the rutgers iowa and then who was the other loss indiana and michigan and northwestern. The two wins. Talk to me about what you've seen this season. Just the inconsistencies. In for those. I mentioned on my show but almost weekly. I come on your shoulders to talk about the landscape of the big ten in college football. And you and. I've talked about michigan state almost every week. So i'm interested in your perspective on what the heck is going on this year. Well i mean this team has been sorta like rod serling twilight zone show. I mean you know they can hire a coach. Bring him in. He's got a decent pedigree he's been in the pro game. He's been in the college game. You know he gets a vote of reference confidence from maybe one of the greatest college coaches in the history of the game and nick sabin. He was a grad guy here when he first started out and he you know from from afar he seems like a no nonsense. Kind of cat. you know. But then he they have the same quarterbacks and they rocky lombardi wins. The jobs are paid in foreign. And the rutgers comes in here with Will you know very well. And he goes to. The portal brought seven or eight guys to rutgers from different schools They a little bit more hungry at a low. If michigan state dot rutgers was gonna be the rutgers they had seven turnovers they got smoke. he had Rocky lombardi over three hundred yards but he had two picks and three touchdowns next game are twenty one and a half point road dog in arbor lansing forty five minutes but everybody in this country thought jim harbaugh was gonna snake them and snipe them and they didn't. I mean michigan state. Cook them out joe. Milk got buried by anquan simmons and so then they think okay. Well that that's pretty good. I mean they're wanting one now they're going to go to Kinnock stadium in iowa city and take on currence rocky lombardi girls up two hours from I was sitting in clive iowa and they lay a complete egg. They smell just awful. Then they michael pedic's junior who's out for the season he takes them to the woodshed and you're at spartan stadium and you know they were got outscored like seventy three to seven northwestern comes in here gerald defensive minded coach pete ramsey a guy that transferred because the penance junior from Indiana they come in here and favorite michigan state clocks. All i mean as far as the oil state buckeyes they're coming out off cova thing Their forty one year old coach ryan day will not be with them. Larry jots senior who you told me and it was all confirmed your before. Anybody else said that he was gonna leave this team in and you know just fields as a first real. He could win the heisman. He's played unbelievable. So i mean. I really don't expect. I mean these guys are getting up in the lombardy when you and i didn't think he'd throw the long ball that's all he can throw slant patterns. He's behind guys and this and that but he showed me a few things. over These games that they've won. I mean he he can be consistent and they got some speed on this team and I mean you know like we talked monday. I mean if they can slow down the run game like the north northwestern i mean they got a chance at least make competitive but i mean who's kid do their a twenty four point home dog. There'll be no fans. There needs this wendell. How stages to play. And that's another controversy in itself. But you know. I think that about three weeks ago. Coast acting at an oppressor that i watched You can tell that Mel tucker their head coach was pissed off. It is team. He's seen enough after four games and more or less. You don't start playing. Despite and football. That i want. There's the door and you're going to be hitting it at the end of the season and they did play like with a sense of urgency last saturday no one thought that they would win against north western northwestern eight in the country and you know they cut the cake can got it done and they did show a few things of life here. They got a pretty good be that he. He showed himself in gross That's his last name and But i mean they're gonna be playing against one of the best teams in the united states. Who's getting even if even if they don't have enough games to go to lucas oil stadium. Who cares everybody knows the i test. They'll be they'll be in the college football playoff for sure because the absolute an outstanding football team and You know and then michigan state. At least they can. At least i don't know how he's gonna get better players he's going to get players tucker as But the point that he has at least they'll know how they stack up against. You know the best. And they're they're a top four team and they. They should be ohio state without a doubt. So i i think the inconsistencies of rocky lombardi is the question like which version of him is going to show up saturday right because if the guy shows as if he this guy was you you and i talked about several times just within on deep balls. Jalen naylor all over the field. Then he shows up the next week and he's hitting them and you're like what the hell man if we can figure out which guys gonna show up. We could really tell you what might happen former coach and your coach again You've been you know in some big games and seen some big games. I was at that Lucas oil stadium game when michigan state came back and beat miller and hide. I was there. And i mean you know. Connor cook was the main major thing. That's what the problem with mission status. They haven't had a guy in here since kirk cousins and connor cook. Lombardi didn't show me that he could be that guy last year. I mean worm burners he was throwing. He inconsistent that he plays well. And then it's just like you know another guy out there playing but i have. I have seen the guy. The guy did a play a lot of sports in high school and he's athletic He can move pretty well. But i mean he's kinda open guys. And he's overthrowing midweek that happened bryant lewinsky all the time. I wasn't a big fan of his. I mean some people. I don't care what kind of numbers what they didn't win anything. The illinois game last year the elderly. I don't think it's a game since then so like again when ohio state comes in here and larry giants senior brings them in. I mean they're going to. They're going to be jacked up. They're going to be motivated. They have played. you know. Everybody's health conscious with colbert. Michigan state was sick before they had cleared sick before the season even started. They were quarantine so really to be honest with your audience. I didn't know what to expect it. I'll be honest with you going into this game. Total afternoon on saturday. I don't know if they expect is going to be northwestern version or is it going to be the i version i don't know and that's that's the intriguing thing about michigan state football this year. And you know what you. And i talked about it. Preseason and i've talked about it on my show several times what you're seeing now could be a stride or some growth and development of a program that has a new head coach that didn't have spring ball. Didn't have a summer and so really like this almost trial and error. And you're seeing them. They've they beat michigan. They beat northwestern they just lay a goose egg against against indian rutgers. And you're seeing that. This team might be improving. They might be growing. You don't know what version is going to show up saturday fly rocky. Lombardi can make a couple of throws. This could end up being much closer game than people expected. And i'm curious your thoughts. When i watch the film. They have to defensive players in chicago. Shukor brown and an antoine simmons. That i think are you know they're top to your big ten players and i'm curious your thoughts on the defense that evolution of it and really i wanna talk about also what has gone on in east lansing since patent are departed. Because when pat does he was there back when when dantonio had humming defensive. Football team was as good as anyone. The country put alabama georgia. You name it. They were tough. And you're seeing this defense improve. I would just curious your thoughts on this defense and twenty twenty and how we got here because you went that defense With urban meyer with the players that you had but And and there's such a ohio state kind of Coordinate their with mike trussell. Jim's nephew he's been here a long time now. He's a coal defensive Coach coordinator with harlan barnett. Who played in the national football league. Who was here then. He left to go play it. Florida coach florida state. That didn't work out. He came back and In simmons is crazy story there because he grew up like blocks from the big house in ann arbor. So i i look at the evolution of the and that he was an intense cat. I mean i had an live one of our jail Parole was alive. George perle stood the tailgates with me. Tim stout and and he was there. And i'm like the guy was like shopping on a table. He was so intense getting ready to the goal. And you know he was given an opportunity and he's still there pittsburgh and then you look at You know the kinda listen they they play they want smash defense going back to george perles. That's what he brought. I mean the guy the guy. That's what george was. I mean he was the the Defensive line coach for the steel curtain. With the pittsburgh steelers was with he was with elsie greenwood and mean. Joe greene and Ernie homes at all those guys and i. I wouldn't even ask them about michigan state stuff. I always ask them about chuck knoll with jack lambert. He he just start like being like pavlov's god's he loved that pearl and that's the kind of thing he played smashmouth aggressive football and i know that i interviewed urban one time in my lifetime would urban utah and he was a big fan a perilous and henry boss and you know the bullet family all played man whose grant. I was really good friends with those guys. And that's what. That's what tucker. He's not a fool he's a smart guy. He was in coach georgia. I was just georgia in the acworth georgia area last week for thanksgiving the those guys love the guy down there and he's got nfl Like i said tie. So he's gonna he's gonna get players. That are gonna smash people in the fakes that that's what he wants. Because that that's what he said when he came here. Now you can't practice and not breach or what you do what you say. You know that your coach say hey. We're going to do this this kind of players by god you got to do it. Because it's like walking off a plank. You keep making excuses and not being accountable. Sooner or later you're going to be in shark-infested waters and he doesn't want that so again. I look for this team. When you don't think they're gonna be decent now. They could be decent in this game. And just like i said they were twenty one and a half point Dog against michigan and they got it done. And the same thing with north western. They'll go into this game right now. The number was twenty four. And who knows if just field goals off i mean and he pulls it antwan randle. He can play football I mean but they know this. I mean through scouting. They know the they know that the big timers are coming to spartan stadium just if they could contain them and be ready for art. That's it that's it. And i i don't know if people realize this or not but mel tucker was on jim tressel initial staff at ohio state. So he knows he knows the buckeyes really. Well he knows columbus he knows the horseshoe and he knows what's coming into town. I mean this is. This is a game where he could really make a statement in the year. One and to be honest. We don't here's the other part we don't know we don't know what players are out for ohio state still. I mean they canceled your name there. You know we know ryan days out like you said larry. You'll be on the sideline. But we don't know who else i mean. I know for a fact. It's not just in fields. Which is the biggest concern. But i'm telling you if it's a corner or if it's one of those receivers that'd be that'd be a big blow. That'd be a big blow. And mel tucker's defense will have a lot to worry about with justin but but if we can take away if they could take away a weapon here there and try to limit the nuclear aspects of that offense. They got a chance to keep this. Thing's really close. I believe well. I've seen some other teams play ohio state and they kept it close. I like i said again to you and your audience. I can't tell you what to expect. I mean again. They'll probably have rod sterling singing the national anthem. Because i mean as lombardi gonna is lombardi gonna play like he did a with the wins or is he going to throw you know picks it. Will you go through Pick six. I mean what is he gonna do i. I just don't know But they got speed on this team. They really do and You know this naylor kid from las vegas. I mean if you can catch the football he can move and the kid from marietta georgia who was I think the freshman of the week when they beat michigan. I mean this tells you about the situation with michigan football. They may rocky lombardi the quarterback of the college football of the week. That's all week. Their situation is in ann arbor. And you know when herbstreet said that the other day Before the michigan state duke game. I don't know why he had to retract himself. I mean that people been saying that about you. Know them opting out in a game michigan. Ohio state I mean that's nothing that he didn't discover. But i don't know i you know. Reach davis used to work in flint michigan In he even expounded on even more i. Don't you know get state michigan. Ohio state game. You know when he when when. Kurt apologized. He didn't need to apologize. That's usually you know he didn't really the in the need to do that. I mean i'm doing sports talk radio as long as i have. And if i if. I get personal when something that's and i don't allow people get personal. But he wasn't getting personally just said. Hey that could be an option that race davis paraphrase and just said. hey if that does happen you know he's not exactly the mentor. people. I can't see harbaugh doing that. But anything's possible in life and sports and you know that your big fan coach you with some professional athletes that played you know with you. Know gone onto the nfl that coach. So you know this. But i was really. I'm not disappointed in herbstreet. Because i think he's really good at what he does and i like him a lot. But i think that you know like you made statements. Obviously you believed it. Now you re track and people were like don't you know don't get soft with that. Why that is that. Is that a lot of people in buckeye nations issue. With kirk herbstreet is that he's. He's a flip flop or he's a people pleaser. He's he used to be a buckeye. I know he still thinks he is. But we'll have state fans are certainly don't claim kirk herbstreit any longer because of that situation like if you felt that way you can say it. I mean you have a guy like desmond howard who goes on game day and he asked somebody's desmond howard to choke a bitch like and he doesn't have to retract anything. Kirk herbstreit makes a statement that everyone in the midwest and the state of michigan is talking about and he has to put out an apology saying he doesn't know if it's true of course you don't know what's true unless jim harbaugh told you we're to duck this game and pretend it's cova you don't know it's true you're just saying what you think right. Well i mean the thing is obviously. He thought that he wasn't drinking before he came on the television right that we know i mean you know i mean the bottom line is if you think something. I know. you have to be a specific way. If you're going to be on mainstream television. I mean had linda cohn on. Espn years ago. She would come on my program here and she would she bring it. I mean that women can bring it as far as you know. Saying she goes. I liked coming on shows like yours. Day because i can say how i conceal i all the layoffs that they've had espn. I understand. he's got a great job. Inner noga around. But you know. I mean like i said i'm not gonna judge off herbs streets bandwagon because that is just you know you set it. Don't worry about it. I mean you're a buckeye. He's he's he's a michigan wolverine. He went to high school on an replayed ball for bullshit. Back all know all that stuff. I mean and so what happens if michigan is sick and they can't play. Well i mean. I guess there are. They are sick and they can't play. But i'll tell you right now getting getting ahead of myself if they do play this game michigan ohio state. That's going to be. I'm not going to say it's going to be cost little bighorn but it could be oh man and you know what it it's. I'm curious your thoughts on this. Because we talked about it on your when i came on. I think this this week is kind of the state of the harbaugh experience in in the state of michigan. And what just is mind. Blowing to me is now with the lions job open. That people are seriously talking about harbaugh. Detroit and i'm just curious your thoughts on the harbaugh program. They experienced how michigan fans are feeling. And is that real that real life that he could be the head coach of the lions. Well i'm gonna terry now bad happens. They're gonna if people buy season tickets. They're gonna get barf bags with them because that that's not that's not gonna. They ain't happening that that that just happened and he he has done. Nothing to perpetuate getting that job no he. He hasn't won at michigan. He's he's the fourth highest paid coach. It all of college football. I mean you know. We talked about the enemy and and he he needs to have a shot but they brought in all. These guys need to have shot now. They just ended up. That was the only good thing about pandemic as the quin in quinton patricia. Got can i mean the rotten part. Is they still gotta give that guy two years of pay for just an awful job that he did. These guys are throwing parties two years ago when the season ended. I mean it's a whole new. And who knows bevill my if he was four out of five games i mean. He's kinda shot to get that job he's worked with far. He's worked with russell wilson. Big ten guy out of wisconsin played in the national football league. But i can't see. Jim harbaugh I mean i think really to be honest. I think jim harbaugh will stay one more year michigan to try to turn this thing around. But you know you're you're looking at this game last weekend And they were just flat. I mean just flat. I watched it. When i was doing my tailgate. Show this plat. I mean he's supposed to be the quarterback whisperer guy he played high level. College highlight what parole he had andrew luck at stanford econ- catholic in the guys. He had san francisco. Took a team to a superbowl. Almost cook couriers and are all got by broader again. They need get back to be enemy. When you gotta andy reid and travis kelsey and tyreek hill and then you've got the king Pepper mahomes of as oh pretty good guys to work with and and you go into a go into a hornet's nest like it's going to be in detroit. They need better players. Is matthew stafford going to be there next year I don't know i mean i again. There's guys that would be killing for that job. And then there's guys that i mean i asked you i mean do you. Think urban meyer. Wha- come out of retirement to go into that well it's not a good situation. It's a mess. I mean it just is. It's it's it's a mess but they still got some decent players and they play the bears. They smell this week. So i mean shawn watson that was the nail in the coffin patricia. The guy on the sideline and you're like this kind of looks like you know he's bringing bottles back to the nearest convenience store. I i just i. I have a guy wanted them. I s and You know you you can do what he did. It have three super bowl rings. But you're not bill ballot check. Okay in bob quinn's not the only and you can be under the umbrella of of that. I mean he listen. You coached under urban. Meyer ryan day. Coached under urban meyer. Okay so ryan day It's sorta like when sabin left shoe unless took over there. All he has to do is continue to get back as a coach and forty one in bring some pinball players from fifty states and just keep it going and you learn who. I never thought in years. That nick sabin when he left michigan state go to lsu. Not one coach left with him. He added open plane. So he built brings in Jimbo fisher and bowl pollini and both police brother and they bring it all these great football players because jerry. Denial i think was the coach at lsu before that he lost proper lynn from shreveport louisiana to florida and he was the player of the year in the united states. When you lose the player of the year in in your stated you know this you've rooted big time athletes and you lose a guy like brock berlin golder. But he didn't lose any guys. I mean he. Just that's what saving did he built that up and then he went to the dolphins and he got humbled in school there. They made the wrong choice. Didn't get drew brees. And they got daunte culpepper. And then the the alabama job chain and there you go you got at sequoia it's just like urban meyer. Same thing with him. Okay he leaves. He gets a shot at a bowling green. Those unbelievable job there. You're with him. Florida starts getting some really solid players around the country whence to national championships. And you guy he comes then. The moons are aligned. And that's what they thought it michigan. When harbaugh came home the beaujolais becua- junior was here. And then urban from after buell ohio he gets the gig and he's home freeze starts bringing kingpin guys in here and you know. And that's what that's what day you know the cupboard's full he just has to keep building up becoming a better coach this that and you know just a millionaire way is i mean right. I mean it's just the way it is questioned dabble sweeney. He got lucky. Trevor lawrence fell into his lap. Because brandon justin field goals there and because of ron brown he transfers and then when you got one of the best quarterbacks last twenty five years on kernersville georgia i mean that helps you gotta get player hopes. And then you've got to get better as a coach that's it. That's it and ryan right. Is that a good job of finding a way to make yeah to make sure they have. An elite quarterback from developing dwayne haskins. Dwayne was leaving. he knew tate. Martell wasn't the answer. He had to find a guy he pulls fields out of the portal. Now he's pulling in five star after five star high school kids. He's found a way to load up that position group which is critical critical. But i want to go back to something. You said a minute ago because i know this story. I promise you our listeners. Don't know the story. So i'm gonna tell you my rendition version. That i've heard. And no of when nick sabin and this is you know. This is kind of the lineage of michigan state right nick. Sabin is the head coach at michigan. State gets the lsu job. Here's what i know of. The story has a staff meeting tells everyone on staff. Listen i got this job. Everyone here has the same position available to them at lsu. The plane leaves tomorrow morning. Nine a m. Just meet me on the tarmac and get on the plane if you wanna come. And he went to the tarmac with the plane and not a sing- single son of a bitch showed up. Is that true or false. that's true. is that unbelievable because it that's true because it's funny because you know i used to make fun of nick sabin. He didn't like it. And i and i love nick. Sabin his his daughters married to a young man who Played on the golf. You my step step stepson excuse me from lansing catholic family and the save and family. Our you know mary next daughter so he still has ties. He's kind a lot of friends here still and he. It was because of the president was here They had a falling out. And it'd be people say well he couldn't get the money that goes is all him and his whole we're tight they still are. Tommy is in nick. Sabin are very tight and It was funny. Because i am just really started getting into radio then and i get this call from a louisiana peoper around new orleans and i had never been exposed to something like this. The guy goes. I understand david mad dog. America i go yeah i am. Who's calling then. He tells me the the publication he said. Well we understand nick. Sabin is just take nail issue job. I all apps news to me. He goes well and then it was God's truth and so then he goes there bobbi williams gets the job bobbi williams. I heard same age. I'm sixty one now in bobby and body. I don't know what it is. Bobby gravitated to me and we became good friends and his wife came in. Sheila did the show being or there's young son who played football at alabama. He came in. And bobby's daughter she works Bigger name's nicole. She works in fundraising out michigan. State university so. Bobby bobby keeps his Is is a group together here. And they want him to be the coach. Bill burke was the quarterback and you know they. They went into florida in the I don't know what ball was against. Steve spurrier and i think Who's got the bachelor guy. That's on It college football gs warmer. Jesse palmer was the quarterback. I think he would. You beat up and So he then they won. And everybody's like wow man you know. This is so they all spayed. Well then the bottom really dropped out for bobby i it just did i mean know jeff. Smoker got himself in trouble. Girls rodgers wasn't charles. Rodgers wasn't doing what he was doing and you know it was really a bad exit. How he laughed and it was awful. I mean it was awful. How he was treated and Tony mandarich is father-in-law Got the job interim job and then they brought john l smith and i don't even have to go with elspeth little boy. I don't even have ashley did he. Smoker volker did everything asked him and the first year that he was the head. Football coach michigan state. He was the big ten coach of the year. And after that it was all downhill after they wanted to. They urban meyer. I think really wanted that job but he was green and he said he loved her lison loved henry goal. And so then. I i i you know. They wanted marvin lewis to have the job and he was shown around and then the john l smith thing happened then dantonio came here from cincinnati and thirteen years later he got the most wins of any michigan state college again. You're right. We in a lot of people speculated that Not that the coaches. He had were bad but he just didn't. They were so loyal to fall. He just shuffled the deck in these guys and then the last three years not been good. I mean they had players get into trouble also players Real big trouble and You know he laughed. you know now with a lot of good taste and people's balls. I mean they respected what he did eh. But i mean the last three years has not been good. It's been marginal at best. And and so then you know they don't know who they're going to hire and You know the mel tucker comes up. He just one year at colorado. And you know people are like well. He's had a lot of jobs again. He got a vote of confidence from nick. Sabin and You know we just have to wait and see you know. It's pretty tough to evaluate a guy when you can't go to the stadium can't eat. He can't go You don't know the guy. I've never interviewed him you. I've never met the guy and the people have they love the guy they say super nice. He's got a good family and you know young guy. He's across libya some really good coaches but they just gotta get players. I mean they need players. they hold the portals. If they got a li like hogan's heroes and getting tunnels they gotta get player. That's for sure what you know. What a world of difference. The whole landscape and history of michigan state would be. Because you you hit on it and brees passed it. But that's real. In two thousand three urban meyer had just went. You know flip bowling green and was hot. One hot young coach and michigan state came open and he went after that job. He wanted that job more than any job in the country. He wanted to be the head. Coach of michigan state. Michigan state chose. John l smith over him. Urban ended up utah and you look at the trajectory and the landscape and kind of the where michigan state would be today if they took a chance on urban. Meyer like utah did utah now. Their top ten team. You know what i mean. It's just wild. I forgot about that i was. I was at bowling green as a player when when it all went down. And i remember him fighting for the michigan state job and then ending up. They chose john l smith and he took utah and the rest is history. Well and i remember that. I mean i thought for sure. I thought for sure he was going to be the notre dame coach. Yeah i really thought i mean. They went out to salt lake city. Of what i read and had a credible people back into story and they thought it was a you know a lock stock that he was going indeed. Nda and he's like. I'm going to florida. And then they hire charles weiss and you know that was that was i mean. Generally wives could bank on. Tom brady because he made him a lot of money to pay him. Eighteen million dollars to get out of that contract. brian kelly. I mean he was at grand valley. They would call me ranville. He was like put this brian. Kelly grinder show mike. Who the hell's. Brian kelly and saw you know. He came on a couple of times. Well then Might the board was the coach. Cmu and that. I graduated from and he. I mean like five people would show up for the game. It was like should have be called. Mike doormat the board. They were awful so they let him go for whatever reason and because he smelled he didn't get the job done they. Nobody wants to the games in seoul. Then This job comes up. And i'm like they got a higher brian kelly they have to. I mean they have to everything he did. You know then. I started reading about this guy. Scratchy record is impeccable. It's so then. They hire him and he goes up there and he brings up. Jj watt to be tight end and he has brunner as a quarterback. Well then he finds this. Dan le fever guy and they were awesome. I mean antonio brown ended. If i go in there through lorenzo white because lorenzo white junior brought them there from florida laura and saw what happens is Then so then he takes dantonio job when dantonio comes here. It was funny. Because butch jones gets the job and he he wants just. Jj watt that'd be a blocking tight end so then bill gets them to go to wisconsin because he goes you number wisconsin. You gotta be deep ups player. So that he leaves then they get antonio brown to come there and then butch jones. It was funny because butch jones bought brank kelly's home in small pleasant and then when jones got kelly other jobs it's standing. He bought his house in cincinnati when he wants owner day so he both of his both of his houses in central michigan. And it's in the. Yeah brian i. I had him on a few times and i really have never tried to get him at notre dame but i mean it the horatio alger story with brian. Kelly done. I mean really you go. I mean now that trophy Grand valley the in. That conference is named the brian kelly trophy and i mean he's been unbelievable there even though you know. I think what would be a great football game. This year would be ohio state and notre dame. That's what i'd like to see. Elle's against balk would be premier and just the history between the two programs really haven't played that many times but every time they have to the most passionate fan bases in the country and so close in proximity right the the locale. So it'd be really cool. I appreciate you coming on mad. Dog as always i love coming on your show and i have one thing to request of you that if if the covid world coz back to normal by the fall of twenty twenty one you'll come down and hang out in our tailgate when you're spartans. Come down to play the buckeyes in columbus. All right. that's a promise. I 'cause i really don't have driven through columbus and You know i that for sure going to do that. I'm gonna take you up. No rain checks. I'm gonna come down there With my wife will go down there. Or i'll come down there with a friend and It'll be l look forward to it but this game will be sweet. And i'll probably talk to you on the mad dog show up here atlantic east lansing on monday and we'll review it perfect. That sounds like a plan mad dog. I appreciate it as always look forward to talking next week. All right coach zac. Nobody i see were there you have it. The man the myth the legend the mad dog east lansing's finest really awesome dude. I love hanging out with them every week. We talk on his show almost every week and great dude and if you're in the area or want to check him out i'm sure you can find him on their website but anyways great conversation excited for the game this weekend. I hope you enjoyed my little bit of my my insight into the texas titty bar. Tom fiasco the The rumor that i don't i mean is not a real rumor that that urban is going to take the job at texas which Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a done deal that he's not i just right now. 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9/15/21 - The Mo Egger Show

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9/15/21 - The Mo Egger Show

"Joe how you doing. it's Four after three this is. Espn fifteen thirty good afternoon. My name's allegra. Thanks so much for joining us. Hopefully you're having a great. And i needed a great wednesday loaded this afternoon hour from now. We do some pro football focus. Tough our buddy. Austin gal a solomon woolcott will be on the show at four thirty today. Richard skinner and you see radio color guy. Jim kelly in the five o'clock hour plus the best of joe. Borough david bell's pre-game comments and so much more we do have to talk about last night's mess in pittsburgh and the reds thus far authoring quite frankly a gag job but before we do anything else bengals and bears coming up on sunday in chicago. A game you'll hear live on. Espn fifteen thirty. We turn the page. From what the bengals did this past weekend. Which obviously was really really good. Beating the minnesota vikings and now he's set our sights on game number two week number two an matchup against our old friend. Andy dalton to talk about all that and so much more as the head coach of the cincinnati. Bengals taylor here. He is just a little while ago and is wednesday afternoon. Press conference for the secular press conference brought to you in part by one hour heating and air on espn fifteen. Thirty three official home of the bengals everybody You know we we wrapped at the last game. That's over and done with moving on chicago. I road games can be tough environment and realized stadium. Guys got to be prepared for that. It's an opponent that we got a lot of respect for him a couple times over the last couple of years and they're really really good. Football team coached talent. So we gotta work cut out for us but guys ready for. Yeah he'll be for a couple of weeks. Yeah i. I don't know there's the same play. The hamstring might not have been a three week deal But the the hand will be. We're hopeful that it's just three weeks and he'd be able to come back but but again it gives them time to work a hamstring. As well to make sure he's back for what he's doing. Yeah yeah we'll we'll keep monitoring that we work out today and we'll keep discussing. The next move is deaf. Well it's how that's all going to play out you know right now trainer will move up That doesn't me as active reactive. But you still with the standard ovation. She got some flexibility there at the safety position of not that alive. Yeah we gotta learn how to handle it you know and especially guys have been here for a couple of years because that is something that you to know how to do and so you can enjoy the win there for sunday and maybe wake up. Monday morning feel good about it but but you got to quickly move on get sixteen more games and if we say here in patterson on the back and think as you win one game in this league that things are changing you gotta keep putting the work every week and be accountable and that's why i'm excited about the leadership group that we have on the team to keep those guys. Keep the standard thai. Keep the work To keep getting down and keep putting pressure on all these guys that we gotta keep this up from week to week. I think everyone likes to talk about the drops but no one can see them behind. The work scenes the work that we've seen he puts it all in. It's important to him. He wants to be great. He knows what it's gonna take to be great so he's done all that stuff for me because if we weren't seeing those things in the classroom and preparation and showing up to work on you know you'd be worried but he has not done that at all so just been around the game long enough to know that guys have just a little rough patch and they work through it and he's got all the traits to do that and so now now you know you just need to get a game under your belt like he had and and he's the jamaa we've always expected them to be there. Yeah i i. I think montgomery's one of the best young backs mislead you know right here in our backyard from and So again ah damian. Williams was well. I've i've been on teams that damian williams. He's a great receiver out of the backfield. He can run the football. He's asked to so Certainly again like. I said we gotta work. Cut out for us but but Yeah we there's a couple of good backs playing game absolutely think he continued being impact player and and again. That's that's because of how he just fits in schematically with how we wanna do things. What is approaches from day one. We knew that when we acquired them But the guy's surrounding him as well help help you create some one on ones where you can just do your job at when you're matchup. Good things are going to happen because guys are collapsing the edges and getting pushing the middle and and you know that one that might the second sacchi got mike. Helton really is supposed to be free. Runner comes in and gets the sack but bj. Just what does guy got in the first. So it's fun to see is fun to have a lot of different weapons at our disposal. The the defensive line spot yeah you you. There's just a couple sometimes is were poor by position. Sometimes it was just one match up and there was there was an instance or to where we could have done better job providing some help just with the way we structured everything. Coaching wise. Starting with me. So i think that was. That was part of it. So again. It's something that we continue to improve on but i. I thought there was a lot of really good stuff and protection from our guys. They give joe a chance anyway. Yeah well i think you feel really consistent on the edges with with our tackles there and again. That's jona finally getting a years worth of work and feel uncomfortable and riley's done it for a long time at high level You got a bunch of veteran guys into a great job with communication inside and and so again we can continue to prove it all with the backs tight titans and everyone that's involved in that But but again. I think that will continue to move in the right direction there right. It's true i try not as the coach. You don't want to make that excuse. We improve it and we gotta do it now because other teams are going to see that. And they're gonna try to utilize that they're gonna pretend to the players and so again we have to do to clean up and make sure that's not a problem in the future guy. I do you know. I think that our guys are very aware So they're they're going to play fields. You know they're going to get him on the perimeter of watching all of this keepers from the preseason. He's explosive zone. Reads bubbles shots on the field. That's what he's gonna bring to the table young quarterback and So again our guys are on top of that. We know what brings the table and get the ball. Quick decisive is accurate. He's green protections and so they kind of got a guys there. That can do a lot of really dangerous things so Again we just got to be on top of it on defense. Yeah i'm confident they're to stress. You oughta ways. But i'm confident gonna be off for the challenge. Really joe facing environment where the crowd is going to be. What sues joseph well handled handled it. Thank you Just the preparation of being confident with what you're trying to do helps you speed up the communication process because every second matters when annoys environment. You're on a silent cadence. Communicate them on scrimmage every second matters since the quarterback being prepared and understand that calls me and l. to quickly identify. Looks that you want to get to that. That's what helps great quarterbacks in the league and we expect you to be able to do that. Well you know he. He's a veteran player. On a chain's role is very sound with his technique and understands how defenses are offenses are trying to attack you. So he's very smart that regard. He spends a lot of time studying quarterbacks. What cordect serving coach asked me a lot often questions so so he brings out the table But again we. We still feel good with a lot of other packages that we can get to some different books that we wanted to as chicago. How situation i. I don't i didn't hear him say that you know we've all seen it from every kick that's left his foot over the course of training camp To the preseason games to the rate which is the. I'm so glad feels that confidence he should because he he does it every day. So you should be confident when you walk out game day so again. It's sport were were fortunate to have him. He's got to keep it up training camp. And then you see somebody else. And they do say probably meteorologist along it all sorts up front and both sides of the ball and so now they take the pressure off the secondary. We can be more aggressive knowing that the quarterbacks is head he's got to get the ball because he knows these guys. Even on a three man rushing backed up. We got the sack and so that's just again credit to mary. Ann doff and lou all the players that are involved there Getting these guys right. We have the right guys that understand the responsibilities. they don't play either lanes. They know what they're supposed to do. They know what the quarterbacks are gonna escape and how it ties in with the coverage and it's just been really fun to watch what gave me confidence borough his accuracy his release. His ability accent plays his leadership. Abilities his ability to win all circumstances What was his last loss. Game seven overtime game. I mean. I'm i'm not blaming him for that they give up seventy points So it's just it's just an him Wherever that comes from his dad ways brought up. I don't know but he got it and we're glad he's got it but but again you can list twenty positives and i don't know of many negatives you've put on the plate when we evaluated him and what he was going to bring to our franchise. Yeah yeah. I thought traded a lot of really good things for us. It starts up front with trae getting all the looks identified. He had a really tough match. They zero nose right on his head. It was a great player Pierce and and that's what i mentioned. Sometimes when some of the sacs again week one is where you gotta make some adjustments. Sometimes some things are gonna happen. You gotta just to it right so they play the odd front but they haven't shown a lot of the last several years and he gets one and there's some adjustments we can make should provide help for any center in the league. I out knows but sometimes you got see it once and face the problem okay. Here's how we're going to go back the next time so unfortunately portray he. He got that look. You know he had to deal with that guy for having me snaps sixty something snaps and and the guy got him you know and so that that's going to happen in this league and Again we gotta do part to him but began. I was really proud of the way trae came back. His first game is first ignificant snaps. He gave us a lot of really good stuff. That's gonna help us go to your radio. It's something will monitor as we go forward but a lot of it has to do this sunday. It was in the heat. We played eighty something high eighty snaps on defense. We want our guys to be mentally and physically prepared for this road. Game on sat on sunday. doing a double walk through today as our best way to do that stuff. i think. Structurally they're a little bit different than the vikings but they have. They're not different in the sense that they have a really talented front. And and the rams are good job move in the pocket. Get some shots on them. Early on at that first touchdown to try to eliminate the stuff inside. Get him on the and take the shot but but as long as i've seen chicago the last couple of years and this year is no different It starts at the front on defense. These guys you know robert quinn and khalil. Mack hickson there. They've got some really good depth of eight nine in there. I dunno goldman status yet but if he's playing as a lot of juice in there and you gotta really fight your tail off upfront. We help them with protection stuff in the run game but it's challenging. You're going to face in this league and that's that's kind of what chicago has been known for the last couple years. There's no different has been the secular press conference on. Espn fifteen thirty. Three official of the banquets bengals embarrassed. Sunday at one pre game at nine right here on. Espn fifteen thirty. Forget dan hoard. And dave lapham have two hours of wall to wall bengals discussion tonight on bengals game plan that show airs from six until eight. Live right here on. Espn fifteen thirty. We have a ton of bengals stuff to get to today including a conversation with our buddy austin gail from pro football focus. Solomon woolcott is going to be on this show. Richard skinner is gonna join us at five. Twenty we'll cover that from every conceivable angle but we gotta talk about a job in the works next twenty-four after three. This is espn fifteen thirty mo egger old shows and more on the blog and espn fifteen thirty dot com slash. Check it out more on the bengals here in just a bit reds and pittsburgh tonight game two of three against the pirates cincinnati needs to win these next two to avoid losing a nother series last night for five or six innings. They look like to to borrow from lance. Who tweeted during the game. They look like dead team walking and they made it interesting and they got the tying run to the plate but the reality is they lost a game to a bad team and that has been a theme here of nearly a month losing games. Too bad teams. I would like just once to talk about the national league wild card race and reference. Something besides the fact that either the padres just lost or the phillies just lost or what. The schedule for all of these teams has in front of the only comfort. Most of us are taking with seventeen games to go is well. The padres schedule is really tough. On the cardinal schedule is tougher than cincinnati's. We're not talking about what this team has. Good going for it. We're not talking about what this team is doing. Well instead it's all about looking at the calendar and going. Well there's still some time and boy look easy to read schedule is compared to san diego's in saint louis. I'd like to talk about this race and other terms because quite frankly it's getting old clinging to the fact that those other teams have tougher schedules. Six five the final score last night. They'll do it again. This evening with amir gutierrez getting the baseball. It's a weird dynamic right now. Because i think you can argue that to a degree. This collection of players has overachieved. Let's be honest. They've got nothing to season. Save for the last week or so from you. hineous warez. they've got nothing to season from. Mike mustafa's lewis castio stunk. For two months kyle. Farmer was the opening day shortstop. That was not supposed to be the case. That was not supposed to be the case. They had long stretches where nixon zell hasn't played in forever. Nick cassiano missed some time. Joey votto missed some time and sunny gray missed. Some lorenzen missed more than half of the season and yet half game out of the wildcard. Still the very good chance. At least to make the postseason this team to a degree as overachieved but what works against it and what works against an. I think if you're a fan because it works against for me as a fan is two things. One no recent record of success. I listen to some saint louis. Sports talk radio. Because the guy that i really like. My actually is not on cable x. anymore. He's on something called dating max sports but i like to listen. The cardinals post game shows. Let's keep in touch with what's happening in saint louis because let's face it. The reds and cardinals are both teams are okay. they're always sort of linked reds played. The cardinals a bunch recently. And is there a lot of trust in this particular. Saint louis team no. They've got bullpen issues. They're not great offensively. They're scheduled down. The stretch is tougher. But you know at least in saint louis. You know what they're talking about is talking about how in a year we're not a lot is gone rate and we're ownership into all that much to make the team better. That are still okay and you know what if this is as bad as it gets. Well then. that's not awful right and let's face it. I've talked about this often. The last couple of decades for the saint louis cardinals have been phenomenal. It made the postseason thirteen times. This century for world series trips to titles like phenomenal. This is being viewed as a bad year there and they still might get to the postseason. Here we're wondering if they get the wildcard. How great is that. Why because there's no track record of success relative to what we were told when this rebuild started six years ago six years ago if the reds don't get to the postseason this year that is a massive failure massive failure this team itself that has had to give significant playing time to do like tyler quit and farmer and shortstop and the bullpen has just been revolving door of random dudes and they've had vladimir good eras. Get get a start. Every fifth days since the end of may relative to what's happened to the team this year it is miraculous that there are still five games above five hundred but relative to what we were told six years ago the fact that twenty twenty one year that everybody pointed to for years could conceivably end with out. This team in the postseason is a massive failure. It's also a massive failure when you look at it from the standpoint of what this team could have been had ownership chosen to make it better this past offseason. I know. I've backed off at this a little bit. And frankly because there was nothing really new say but my biggest issue with the reds for most of the season especially when the bullpen. Stunk was not. What the pitchers who are stinking. Not not with david bell. Not what the team itself it. Was this team. This past off season on paper looked okay and the front office did very little to make it better. That bill is perhaps coming do here by the way at the trade deadline could they have gotten a right handed. Bat to help against lefties. This team is awful against lefties. I put on twitter last night. If i was a right handed pitcher facing the reds. I would throw with my left arm. This this bunch is clueless against left. Handed pitching clueless legitimate. We've i'm a rightie if i'm mitch keller's pitching tonight. A right handed pitcher. I would throw with my left arm. This team looks like it's never seen a left-handed pitcher. Before but to a degree the frustrating thing for me at least is swing it back to the off season man swing back to the trade deadline was a decent team ever really given a chance to be great. The answer is no so then for it to be great. You're going to have to have some guys over achieve and for a while. that happened. Tyler quinn kyle farmer even dare. I say joey votto but you can't count on over achievement. You can't even castalanos this year. I think to a degree has overachieved in order for this team to be really really good which they're not let's face it. They're on pace to win about eighty games a bunch of dudes. We're going to have to over achieve and the over achievement. We saw earlier. This year was going to have to maintain itself and that was never likely to happen. You insulate yourself against that by building as good a team as you possibly can. This front office didn't do that. And the real disgusting thing is that this was the year all along. That was talked about as. Hey wait until two thousand twenty one. They might still get to the postseason. They they may still they may still in the postseason. I may win the wild card game. Who knows but the way things are going right now. You can't help but be reminded of a. There's no reason track record of success for us to look at and go. Well you know what boy that was a bad year. It still wasn't that bad. This is the best season the reds have had since two thousand thirteen. That's the frustrating thing. They're not gonna win ninety games. There's a decent chance they don't make the postseason and yet it's still the best season in one hundred and sixty two game year that they've had an almost a decade to a degree. You could say this team itself has overachieved but when this rebuilt began and we started to point two two thousand twenty one. And i do think this team can be okay next year. There's still enough good pieces returning. The starting staff has a chance to have a lot of upside next year. But relative to what this team could have been this past off season and relative to what's happened with franchise in recent years to not win this season. that's not kosher. That's not and with every loss. And i'm not bearing yet. They do play the pirates of bunch. Nobody else seems to want to win. This wildcard spot. All these teams are massively flawed. Not getting to the postseason this year. If they're sitting one eighty three games. This kind of how they were supposed to be blown. Look at all those things that went wrong. All those things went wrong and they doomed your season. They kept you out of the playoffs. Because your front office and ownership weren't proactive enough in making the team. Better and instead you had to rely on over achievement. You cannot rely on over achievement twenty-seven away from four o'clock. I kinda would love to know if you're a reds fan. Where are you with this. We have two and a half weeks left. By the end of tonight they could be back. In the last wildcard spot. Reds postseason tickets went on sale today for season ticket holders. I mean. there's very real possibility that this team is playing a baseball game. Three weeks from tonight the biggest game it will have played in forever a game that could determine the legacies of the future employment of a lot of people. That could still happen. The way they're playing right now would suggest it's not had the last three weeks just sapped your enthusiasm for a playoff push. And what would reignite it. And if they do get to. The postseason is merely getting their enough. You can tweet me. I don't think the answer is yes at malaga. Rather hear from you. Five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six austin gail from pro. Football focus will grade the bengals week. One performance against the vikings in thirty minutes on espn fifteen thirty cincinnati sports station day-to-day service of kelsey. Chevrolet home of lifetime powertrain protection and guaranteed credit approval from their family to yours for life. Kelsey chef dot com reds and pirates. Again tonight in pittsburgh. Cincinnati is trying to avoid losing a seventh consecutive series. It is roberto clemente day. In pittsburgh which are number twenty one should be retired all throughout baseball in my opinion six thirty five tonight on seven hundred. Wwl w starting lineup begins. Mitch keller reads as follows india. Sh- rock castanos. Joey votto moves dacas farmer. Tucker barnhart showgoers in centerfield remember him. Can i just do. it's been a bust. I find defensively. Seems like a good dude. Just number one. You've never plays number two. Does he never hits the ball hard. Now watch he'll hit for the cycle tonight or something and everybody laugh at me. I'm dropping the b word on shogo. Akyama it fits bust my guy vladimir good arrows on the hill. Six thirty five on seven hundred. Wwl w your other action tonight. Everything else is this evening. There are some day baseball today. Including the milwaukee brewers who their magic number is five the reds tragic number for elimination in the national league. Central is down to four. Brewers are losing that game. Four one to the tigers in detroit tonight games impacting the wild card race cardinals and mets again in new york phillies hooking up with the cubs. Padres again tonight against the san francisco. Giants jesse winker started last night for louisville when over to in a rehab start ricardo allen bengal safety placed on. I are gonna miss about three weeks. He's got a hand injury. Adam schefter reports broken hand also a hamstring. Strain trenton irwin. Wide receiver has been signed from the practice squad. Cincinnati signing safety. Sean davis to the practice squad. He is a six year player from maryland who was originally a second round. Pick of the steelers in two thousand sixteen more on the bengals tonight on the bengals game plan. Show six to eight on. Espn fifteen thirty fc. Cincinnati is at atlanta tonight. That game will kick seven. You'll hear it live next door on fox. Sports thirteen sixty fc cincinnati waving goalkeeper. Cody cropper earlier today. All right let's see our time for a phone call. Five one three seven four nine fifteen thirty austin gail pro football focus in just about twenty minutes on grading the bengals post week one. Aj is calling from dayton. Aj you're on espn fifteen thirty. Are you thanks for taking my call. I'm doing well One of the answer your questions that you had before the break you know with if you're lost enthusiasm leading into the playoffs and what would reignite it I would say. I have lost enthusiasm a lot of just you know losing the bad teams. And what would reignite. It would be You know we've got a couple of series against the pirates coming up i would. I would like to expect sweeps against those And then the on one from the dodgers couple from the nationals couple from the white sox or at least once in the white sox i would really like to see At least ten wins the next sixteen games that they have they have left and then also just see their often get reignited because it's just been visible in the thing is ten wins in the next sixteen. I think there are seventeen. Left of not mistaken ten wins would still probably do it. That gets an eighty five right. Eighty five strikes me as a number that if they hit that after game one sixty two at least play one more. Maybe play a tiebreaker. But we've entered the territory now or were you just instead of thinking. Okay the offense is going to rebound the offense is gonna come back and maybe winker is going to provide some punch. Come back as soon as this weekend. You're wondering okay. Is it going to come back. It's not necessarily really remind me up. Go ahead they. They really remind me of now. I hate to say this That twenty twelve team with their You know there was a lot of excitement going into the playoffs. They haven't been in the playoffs a while and then they just fell flat. Lost three games straight to the giants in. You know they if they do make the playoffs. That's kind of. I feel like they're limping into it. Rather than You know going in with some energy often. Yeah i mean that's that's the thing. Aj thank you are they. Are they gonna make the postseason because simply nobody else wanted to play off berth. Or they gonna make the post season because they went out and got to a degree. It's still eight. Seventeen games left but it to a degree it feels like a postseason appearances gonna be more of a byproduct of the fact that over the last decade. We've watered down the field. We have five teams. The cardinals didn't want it phillies. Didn't want it padres. didn't want it. The mets didn't want and the reds just sort of got it by process of elimination. It would be one thing if this team charged into the postseason with a full head of steam to me reminds me more to a slight degree of two thousand thirteen twenty twelve. They played pretty well in september. They won fifteen out of twenty six games that year. They were healthy all season long. Unfortunately that lasted eight. Pitch eight pitches into the to the first game against against san francisco but the two thousand thirteen team just felt like it was wheezing and gasping toward the finish line. They lost their last five. They lost that three-game series at home against the pirates and what happened at pnc park felt like an inevitability. This team is not there yet. This team in two thousand thirteen was never gonna make the policies we were talking about the wildcard game. That's summer we're simply hoping this team can get to the wildcard game. But just i was joking about it yesterday. There's there's just a feel and it doesn't help your plan in pittsburgh last night. No one's at the ballpark. No one's that those games this this doesn't feel like a playoff chase. I mean i'm staying up last night to watch the cardinals and mets in the eleventh inning. And i'm watching the padres and giants last night. Do their thing and san francisco and i thought like if i tweet about this. I'm going to be laughed at and had the cardinals ended up losing that game. The reds are still in the driver's seat to a degree for the wildcard spot for that. Last wildcard spot. This doesn't feel like a postseason push that doesn't it. Just part of that is bengals or want. To know. Joe borough runs the town and uc. Bearcats are in the top ten. But i mean. I don't know about you capable of dividing my attention. I'm capable of dividing my time in two thousand twelve. The expectations for the bengals were huge. I thought the town was all psyched about the reds it. Just the last three weeks feels like something that is just sucked the energy from a fan base that spent most of the summer really enjoying this baseball team the ballpark when they've been home hasn't been close to half full. The way they've played has been very uninspiring. The energy from the team seems to have been sapped and it feels like they're crawling toward the finish line. This does not look like a playoff team. This does not feel like a playoff chase and yet if they beat the pittsburgh pirates tonight who still own the second worst record in the national league third worst. I believe in all of baseball. Very very doable. If they beat the pittsburgh pirates tonight and get some help from the new york mets. We're going to go to bed tonight. And the reds are going to be in the last playoff spot. It is a really weird feeling right now when it comes to this club and i think from an offensive standpoint. You're starting to think god. This offensive dip is has no end in sight. This team's terrible against lefties and granted. Not every pictures lefty most aren't but we've gone from thinking. This was maybe a week thing that this was maybe a two week thing and i'll tell you what they should engrave at least the reds team. Mvp plaque to for jesse winker. This team has been held to zero or one runs in nine of its twenty. Five games played with jesse winker. Thirty-six percent jesse's great. He's important to the club by the way jeff car. Plant points out to me. That show goes. I played appearance. Tonight will be his third of the month. We're putting jose barreiro and centerfield last night and they brought up went and acquired delighted shields. Their centerfield options excels entry doesn't help their centerfield. Options are just bad. The shogo thing just it hasn't worked inside that dude for three years. Twenty million bucks. Bring him to the united states to have this guy get occasional at-bats off the bench and be a late inning defensive replacement that's not why he was brought here and i'm willing to bet that had dick williams not been running the club last year or prior to last year shogo akiyama never would have been in cincinnati red. It's a ten away from four o'clock. Austin gail grades the bengals from pro football focus in fifteen minutes on. Espn fifteen thirty. Jim kelly is gonna talk some uc football with us in just under two hours. Five forty five. Be around for that today. Pair cats and indiana on saturday afternoon. A game that you know what's let's face it to a degree has had some shine taken off of it because the hoosiers laid an egg against iowa and the bearcats look the the first half of that game against murray state. They look like they were sleepwalking desmond. Ritter wasn't sharp. I defensively they got pushed around a little bit. I've i've seen nothing. Two games though to dissuade me from believing that this team is still really really good. I've seen nothing to make me question whether or not i should continue to believe that the majority of their opponents are going to have a really hard time moving the football against them. I expect indiana to do better than murray state. Did certainly expect indiana. Do better than miami. Did in the first half. But i just i've been looking for things because you know if you've listened to me you know how high i've been in how high most people have been on this barakat team at the most talented team ever. I haven't seen anything in these first two games to make me walk back anything. I may on saturday against indiana interested in the thoughts of jim. Kelly will talk with him at five. Forty five. He gets to call the game on saturday with dan hort speaking of dan. He's got bengals game plan as soon as we're done at six o five on. Espn fifteen. Thirty joe borough talk today. The best of joe borough coming up at four twenty. He admitted he dealt with some slight knee. Pain after the game on sunday. Which you could certainly expect that'll be in just about twenty five minutes. Solomon wilcox will be on the show at four thirty three always love chatting with sally but one of my favorite things to do during the nfl. Season is to dive into pro. Football focus grades driving dive into pro football focus metrics and with somebody who could explain them to people who don't necessarily dive into pf stuff on a regular basis. So what am i go to is is austin gail. He will join us from pro football. Focus coming up next. My name is melissa. Glad you're here today. It's a four minutes away from four o'clock. This is espn fifteen thirty. The official home of the bengals the bengals battle. The bears coverage begins sunday morning at night on. Espn fifteen thirty. The official home of bengals. Four this is espn fifteen thirty. I'm so glad that you are here. It's been a while thinking about this last week. We haven't had austin gale on this show in a long time. He is analyst. Technically the director of content pro football focus also hosts tailgate podcast diving into college football. He's the only san diego state fan. I know he's great to talk bengals with us on twitter at pf. Underscore austin gail. I was. I was beginning to think you forgot about us so i'm glad you're here. Absolutely thanks for having me. There's a lot of one asking about. Let's let's just start. Start with joe borough. You know untrained. I i'm watching on sunday and i go. That guy looks healthy. That guy looks the part. Obviously he was hobbling a little bit at the end of the game. They didn't take a ton of downfield shots but when they did specifically with jawara jay's it paid great dividends when you put joe's week one performance under the microscope what did you see. I think obviously it was positive. He did not make a ton of critical errors. Big reason why they won that football game. I still feel hesitant competent. That he has one hundred percent healthy in one hundred sent back to his. Lsu four this offense in week one twentieth epa per plane. without that your marchesi touchdown. I don't even think we're talking about a positive performance for joe borough. I think the opposite line played well specifically jody williams zero pressures allowed and one for the left tackle former first-rounder out of obama. But borough i think needs to take more shots field in. This offense needs to ski more d. Shot that they're going to be some of the best teams fell. You mentioned the offensive line. Let's let's talk about a guy who did not great well. Trae hopkins got a seven point. Five pro football focus. Green didn't own. The preseason obviously coming off a huge injury the fact that he was on the field is a win itself he is a reliable offensive linemen and so i tend to think that he's going to be okay at the same time. Seven point five. How many lyman in pro football focus history in one week of ever-graded that low not a lot i think trade hopkins is going to be fine but he has the now. Healthy michael pierce. Thank for that because he had an absolutely insane game the minnesota vikings michael. Here's beating him down both athletically. And he's overall like you know physically imposing his will entree hopkins and it was a big reason why that offense stalled interior pressure. At the rate. Michael pierce was getting and trade happens was allowing it can completely ruin the big reason why they set themselves up in Bad third down situations also doesn't help that. They ran the football and early downs at the highest rate of eighteen. Nfl but still michael tip. You're capturing hopkins. I think you'll be okay as long as here. Seven show of anytime. Soon joan williams great announced seventy seventy-two didn't allow pressure. I think they're to be okay. At the tackle spots jona williams is he gonna play eleven overall. Pick from two thousand nineteen. I don't know. But i think he's got a chance to be one of the breakout young offensive lineman in this league in two thousand twenty one assess his week one performance against minnesota clean sheet and pass protection is always a positive. Especially if you're doing it in the bengals uniform. I think from a rumba perspective still. He'll getting overpowered a bit. That is a very talented minnesota. Vikings defensive line. But i think donna williams you know playing the number eleven overall pick doesn't need to be next coming evanger whitworth to be a successful selection because we do have john williams on this rookie contract playing an average to above average level. That win for the spangles team. I think it's similar. He'll look colin miller miller for las. Vegas raters maybe it was time. Do they pick them up there with james in that draft. But he's been an average to above average after lime and his entire rookie contract. Then got the big money deal. Just pass offseason williams playing at that level. Top twenty top. Fifteen at his position is such a massive win especially premium position where you'd argue that more than half of the nfl looking for table tackle. Play if you can just get capable tackle. Klay from a guy like williams. It's a huge win for cincinnati. Jomar chase on the surface level loved everything about five catches one hundred one yards. He didn't have drop he was explosive. He ran different routes. He did a little bit of everything. it with the using the pro football focus. Filter breakdown his Nfl debut consistently created separation. I'll say that but it was against a very underwhelming. Cornerback group in minnesota. He had that tweet. That rows that went viral where he wasn't targeted against patrick. Peterson beat down a shock. But i want to bring up another bengals for that. Look really really impressive in this game again. I don't think he's going to be better than tomorrow. As whatever but like. Ta legitimately like. He took a step forward in this game. I think higgins is going to be a monster for the team. If and win back they were starts with each other. And you know. This team overall gets more aggressive. What's understated after this win. Is how inefficient this offense was. And how conservative is offense was like. You're running into one of the better defense device in the nfl so on such a high percentage of early down. You're only going to set joe borough and bashes waist down seven. Not where you want to be. Especially with like i. You know still bouncing back from injury so you have to hope in this game upcoming. Throw the football announced. Chase really heard it in the manning calf if you watch. Espn get your first downs. On first and second down. Don't even get into third down right now. This offense how it's being called like the praying for third down there. They're building this offense around getting to third down which is just not going to be sustainable if they want to win. Football games one. Hundred and fifty yards from scrimmage from joe mixing a solid return to the lineup for him. He he didn't break any runs over twenty yards. But i thought he was. I thought he was effective and pro. Football focus agrees. I created running back of any running back. This week also broke the most tackle running back this week. He was given the football time. And i still think he needs to be leveraged receiver. But i obviously we're impressive for joe mixing in a league where no running are being replace. Left and right on williams also had a game mitchell stepping up for san francisco. It's not no. It's don't hang up. Panir for joe mixing grading well having a good game what you need to send a banner for is using the receiver and leveraging him any time leverage situations like third and short and in the red zone. Austin gail pro football focus subscribe. Pf dot com follow us and on twitter at underscore austin gail. Gimme a couple of guys on defense. Let me start with a guy that they've actually laws for a couple of weeks in this stinks. Because he was their highest graded player he only played. I think twenty-one snaps ricardo allen busted his hands. He's gonna miss a couple of weeks but he was fantastic to the naked eye on sunday and again what you see from from your standpoint holds up one hundred percent. I mean. It was the site for someone just limit mistakes at that. I think the bengals in the past. I've had a lot of guys that he'll take a lot of risks and for out of alignment out of assignment on a lot of big plays having that on the back end you know. Bring it up all the time. The office your safety is supposed to be a lot of ways. Be safe and keep you from these explosive plays. That's why he'll basis had so much success. On the back end i think ricardo allen was very similar in that regard. I do think as bengals seconds. It's defensive of the reports out of training camp that they were exceeding expectations and locking down to look really good. You'll be included. Dj read or this run defense was legit and they talked about stopping down. Cook i think if i had to come out of anything week one. That wasn't an overreaction. Competent is this run defense. Should be good a good location of that. I've even line talent. And if they can stay healthy hubbard hill reader et cetera. I think they should be able to stop the run. And that's kind of the first step in the right direction in the history of pro. Football focus player grades. Has anybody ever gotten a negative mark and if the answer is yes. Was it apple on sunday. So no-one no-one can technically get negative. Marty go from zero to one hundred but still you ll apple. I mean that was just not you know they. They struggle in the back. There apple has been the guy that's been up and down through career. This was one of his down performances and the bengals continue to need find talent week. They're not only beat for thin. Act corner and it's just a tough situation for apple. I give me a minute here on the bears because l. as great their defenses phenomenal the country's realizing how good stafford can be at the same time. Andy dalton look terrible. I'm not convinced that that offensive line is going to be very good especially if the bengals bring the pressure as certainly interior. The defensive line that we saw on sunday They're going to suffer from some age on defense khalil. Mack is still great. What's what should i worry about when it comes to the chicago bears. There's not a lot to worry about. You know this is one of the worst things. The nfl spotlights obviously under center. And anti don't have some feels but this is bottom three offensive lines and it bottom five defense in the nfl. I'll say that again bob. Line and bottom five defense in the nfl. That's how bad chicago is in the trenches in on that side of the ball while any keys. What's gonna limit the team from high end perspective. There floor is getting deteriorated because they can't lock anyone up front and their defense is giving up. You know play left and right. I think everyone should have looked at that when mitch trubisky when it gets that first team defense in the preseason put it four touchdowns that was a major red flag. That was not called out enough. I think we'll obviously fantastic player. Love akiem hicks for the secondary's depleted. I mean there's just not a lot of success from this bears defense. They ranked inside the bottom free. Epa austin gill pf dot com. Here is podcast. He is diving deep into the draft. Already were months away from that. I don't wanna talk about the draft for a long time and if the bengals keep winning. I won't have to but it's good to have you done the last. We'll do it again soon. Thanks much make sure. You follow austin on twitter at underscore austin gale. Gale is spelled with a y fourteen minutes after four. O'clock the best of joe borough from earlier today and more on the reds and bucks reds pirates as they get set for game two of that three-game series at pnc. Park part of david bell. That just sort of lost me last night. We'll spend some time on that a little bit later. On plus brennaman and jones on baseball and about twenty minutes former bengal the great. Solomon wilcox will be on this show on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station twenty one minutes. After four o'clock this is espn fifty thirty mo- eggert bengals game plan by the way tonight from six until eight o'clock here on espn fifteen thirty with ken. Horton dave lab that show. Are they doing that. Show out anywhere taranto. The blind pig downtown. Hang out with ford app. It'd be a good time. What some reds pirates. While you're at it pretty good. I'm watching the Watching the local twelve news. You realize they're doing the weather right now. It's not a forecast over there at local twelve future cast other. Television stations have a forecast. No no no not over their local twelve where it's not a forecast. It's a future cast. I want to be one of these television consultants. That comes up with stuff like that. Here's the trick. Okay here's what we're gonna do. Here's how we're going to get a leg up on the competition. We're not gonna call it a forecast for five. That's for nine. Nineteen those guys will call. There's forecast how about we have a future cast. There are television executives that get paid lots and lots and lots of money to brainstorm and come up with ideas like that. Change the branding of the weather. It's not a forecast. It's a future cast in my next life. That's what i'm going to be media consultant media consultant. That's it future. Cast over their local twelve. It's twenty three minutes away from four o'clock why that's funny only to me when this radio station this this radio station used to be on another frequency and it was called thirteen sixty homer the sports animal and we didn't have sports updates none anonyna- we had sports attacks. We were attacking you with sports. We couldn't just say hey. It's thirteen sixty homer sports update. Here's what's happening. No no no. It's a sports attack we were. We were just weren't updating. You other stations. Update you on the sports. We were going to attack you. We're going to grab you an attack. You sports information. Thirteen looking for sports at on the sports in a chance for his. Who's that plan to villanova wildcats cirque on the bearcats in the history of fifth third arena. Spicer cat head coach. Very kennedy tarrant. I bet you in one of those two systems is the first ever sports attack. Ided it might be in the rc s. Or could be in that the next gen. I believe we still have the first time i was ever on the radio working at this company. I don't know if it was the first time i was on the radio. That would have been well before them. But the first time. I was asked to fill in on sports attacks and i so badly wanted to spend the ninety seconds making fun of the concept of sports attack. Like if i was the meteorologist here. Local twelve erica cholera. I think her name. I wouldn't be able future cast with a straight face i would just rant and rave it's going to be sunny but look i gotta tell you it's done that we're calling it a future cast. We didn't have sports updates. Sports attack not just going to be updated you attacked by other sports info. We have to play the joe borough stuff. Does this mean have it it exists. I think it's from like two thousand one or two thousand and two. I was cleaning out during one of the many moves. I've been through the last nine years. And i found two cassettes from me on college radio dane and as soon as i found the misplace them and that would be high comedy granted only slightly worse than what. You're listening to right now only slightly before we find me doing a sports attack twenty years ago. I mean legitimately like we had folks working here. They got together. They put their heads. All right we're going to sit in a room where we're not gonna come out until we have some cool ideas for the sport station all right. What's one of them. We're not just going to have updates. Sports attacks such a dumb industry. We work really is. This is just such a dumb stupid industry. That i have worked in for twenty three years are. Let's have some joe. Borough joe borough talk. Today's the bengals quarterback. He talks every wednesday. Here he is talking about how his knee felt after game. One against minnesota. That's really good news. Pretty sore for you know right after the game. But i feel better than i have all camp right now. So that's a good sign. Yeah felt good to to make someone this back. There felt good to be back thought. I protected the ball. Fairly well I missing throws I normally make but overall. I think i played a pretty good game. Good enough to win But we're going to keep getting better every week in He doesn't go down. I contact you can get him the ball and he he's gonna make somebody miss and get you the those extra yard. You saw it on the third sixteen. He's still a slant he made someone. Almost i down person position to go for it. So that's that's that's why you draft. That he makes makes something out of nothing. Yeah i mean so tomorrow does knew exactly what he was going to go out and do. Who's ready to go. He's locked in all week. And there's no my mind how he was gonna play. There's a joe borough from earlier today. Bengals and pears sunday at one o'clock live right here on. Espn fifteen thirty. There are a few people. I love talking football with more than the great solomon wilcox. He will join us next right on time for our guys solomon wilcox. It's four thirty this is. Espn fifteen thirty by the way brennaman and jones on baseball twenty minutes. Your phone calls between now and then but i Solomon wilcox has joined the believe podcast network in the believe podcast network is seemingly growing by the day and we've had on a number of their hosts and analysts and the bengals related podcast solly is now the host. That's actually the believe in bengals. Podcast with adam jones adam pacman jones. Solomon the emmy award. Winning broadcast the former bengal the sirius. Xm host and a guy. Who's been on the show nearly every time we've asked check out the podcast as part of the podcast network solly. It's it's good to have you. How are you sir mo a new doing great. Thanks for having me on. Yeah i get the hook up without a land jones. I know what the odd pairing. But it's a lot. It's a lot of fun. And he briefs very interesting and unique. I was going to say at the very least. He's not going to be boring. That right there. You go hike lows in the bed right. People don't they don't turn away from what adam pacman jones no. You're you're right about that. Then that's that to me. Is the thing about this team. This year we can. We can debate. How good they may be this bengals team. I don't believe for a second are going to be boring. And i actually think especially with the way. Things unfolded on sunday. This has a chance to at least be one of the most interesting and perhaps one of the most fun teams in the national football league. Oh my goodness you're right. Joe girl as enough star quality of self. You add the march. Chase to the mix p higgins and tyler boyd. And how about joe mixon. He's put this team on his back there that he's willing to carry the load. He turned out a hundred and twenty plus rush yards and give the offense enough balanced. And then you get a rookie kicker. Now you know evan. Mcpherson he's becoming a star instantly. he was named the afc special team player of the week. After kicking the game winning overtime so this this is turning out to be a very fun team and how. 'bout that taylor riverboat. Zack taylor right and gambling and winning. Well he is and look. I've for years i've wanted. Whoever was coaching the bengals even dating back to marvin lewis. I wanted more aggressiveness. I wanted sometimes more progressiveness and we got some of that. We got that certainly. At the end of the first half we got it in overtime on the fourth in one call and we also got it on fourth and one when they chose not to punt and ran play in that up in their face but if decisions are made within the spirit of being aggressive especially for a team like this that is learning how to win. I can live with that. how about you. You're right is a young team right young team that has to whenever you're up and coming team and you kinda feel like you're out man if you need to establish identity playing tough. Afc north division. Where the other. Three teams are in the playoffs a year ago and played it to go again. You gotta do things differently than they do. You've got to roll the dice. Maybe a few more times it'd be a little bit more aggressive than they normally would be. I think it's one way to balance things up. And it's one way to begin developing personality for a young team that's shaping up to have a mindset that hey we played a win every single week i would agree with that wholeheartedly and the fourth and one thing and overtime arming joe borough with the ability to change the call and throw a pass downfield to cj yuzawa. It's using your best asset. Which is your starting quarterback. I asked him about that this summer. When i talked about you know because i knew he has those powers and those ability they were given to operating the office at lsu. I asked him if he had the ability to change the plant. The line is based on what he saw Get their stacking box. Can you check out of the. Didn't get into a more favorable pass play. They're sitting back. Check your running said absolutely and you could see that taylor the bengals they. They've given they know they can trust. Joe berle that's the key. He's proven that he can be trusted now. They've got some of the protection stuff. 'cause they're still. He was sacked by times game. There were some free runners Go running at joe and they have to be on the same page office of line and the running back in the back. They're shoring up the protection for jober. Solomon woolcott says joined the believe podcast network in the hos- has the host of the believe in bengals podcast with adam pacman jones. Of course you hear. Sally on sirius. Xm longtime broadcaster. A number of different outlets. And of course a former bangle of if this if this offense and you get one hundred fifty yards from joe mixing on the ground and in the air on sunday we talked about jomar jason the impact. He had to me. If if these weapons are clicking on all cylinders they obviously still have to answer some questions on the offensive line but they strike me as a very difficult team to prepare for things are clicking near the opposite defensive coordinator. Where are you starting in game planning for this team. I think you've got to it. Starts at the run game Offensively for the bengals. That's going to be a consistent thing every week. Joe mix and is a fundamental part of what they do offensively with that is clicking. Then you're gonna get the single coverage on the outside marci. That's why he was able to get fifty guards down to and win. And get a touchdown the big pass plays. They're gonna be there unlike last year. If we can run the football. I think those those shot lay down the field there too talented at wide receiver. That they're gonna win if they get single coverage on the outside defensively particularly this week against the bears it starts with stopping the hometown native David montgomery breaks tackles. He's averaging six point eight yards per carry last week and the game against the rams. You've gotta stop him. Because i think he's he's better than advertised And i think they're finding out that consistently when they give him the ball. Good things happen. Bears office playing the bears would would you rather and we're going to see some just fields. The rams did but but the lion share the offensive snaps at quarterback obviously went to andy dalton. If you're a room oh do you want to face the known quantity. Who was on your team. Who's got a decades where the film you know what he is. And there's a lot of good to that or or or would you rather go up against the rookie that presents a ton of unknowns athletically. Certainly look the part against the rams. You're gonna see too when you're going to see him mo is in the rant when they get to the reds though they don't wanna they got a special package for him. It looks like the red zone package where they can run their read off and he wants to throw it. But if you if you don't Defend properly not your keys. Don't take off. run it in. He could do that I i think you could throw a lot of different things at home. If he's in the open field. I think they can confuse just field i. There's no doubt to get free runners to the quarterback. He has a problem with setting protections taxes and reading the entire field so they wanna keep him out of those situations. I i think if he is in the game. I think you've gotta package where you throw everything. I don't think he no way that he saw during the preseason and then obviously Knowing that more experienced quarterback like anne donahue the bagels did play last year when he was in dallas. By the way you know that he's going to be ready for some staying in the key is is going to be allah. Robinson did not have a good week last week and you know. They plan on getting him going and this week. I'm concerned about ally apple man. He he allows him. I can go right now. Replay as. I'm concerned by i i am too. That was that was rough. Do this with me sit there from from the standpoint of somebody who played the position i think jesse bates is in the conversation of the best safety in the nfl. That's obviously a subjective thing. But if you and. I are two critically. Watch him and you want to explain to me why. This guy has the reputation that he has. What are you pointing out to me. From the neck loppy superior it diagnosing plays arriving early In beating the ball to the designated point he understands pattern reading. You know Routes combinations coming comedy. That's why they're called route combinations right when why. The tight end Breaks out. He knows the outside receivers gonna come breaking in. It has to be that way. How many times have you said. A- hurt announced to say somebody ran the wrong route because those two receivers both in the same area because it wasn't coordinated. Well jesse base understands route combinations the coordination of passing game. The timing of it more importantly. He's got the ball skills right. Turn it into a positive place for the defense love. The fact that he's up this physicality and bond bail already brings that i think some of that is rubbed off on him. I think these guys have the potential to being one of the top. Safety is in the nfl. By the time it said done bingos go get him locked up. Because i can tell you right now. They don't sign them another team will. They'll find themselves toronto. Use the franchise tag on them. It just it makes no sense. He's one of the best defensive players and we need to work to keep no. I couldn't agree more with that. The believe podcast network has brought aboard. Solomon woolcott it's the believe and bengals podcast with adam. Pacman jones and our buddy solomon woolcott. It's it's always so much fun to talk with you man. Thanks so much. Thank you i i want to be able to talk to you about the back. Immunity score immunity. Health is very important. You wanna know more about your immune help to fight over. Nineteen will go to the website. Www dot added score dot com adi at peacecorps dot com. Most definitely will send people there. Sally thanks so much okay. It is twenty minutes away from five o'clock brennaman and john's on baseball is coming up. Your phone calls are welcome between now and then at five one. Three seven four nine fifteen thirty eight six six seven zero two three seven seven six. We have been pretty heavy on the bengals today. We have the reds and pirates. David bell's pre game comments will come your way coming up at five thirty three. And we'll talk bearcats hoosiers with our buddy. Jim kelly to five forty five on. Espn fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sport station. Puerta five this is. Espn fifteen thirty. Brian and john's baseball's coming up. Richard skinner is gonna be on the show at five twenty. And so as jim kelly and i was gonna say something and i can't remember what it was. Uber prepared day for me. The old talk show host. Let's let's chat with tyler. Who's in columbus and has been waiting patiently. Tyler thanks for hanging on. How are you. i'm good. I'm good thanks for taking my call. Sure so I just wanted to vent about the read a little bit. obviously It's pretty rough anytime you win. Six out of eighteen or nineteen games or whatever. It's been against anybody but let alone when you're playing the marlins the pirates and things like that goes on but i i really Obviously really hope they make it this year but even if they do. I don't feel good about the future I don't trust not only do not trust ownership. But i don't trust manage the front office be honest. There are just some really weird things that have happened this year. Like i think. I've counted at least three relievers that that have been pitching and high leverage situations and then like within days designated first time pitching in the tenth inning of a tie game when the winning runs starts on second base two weeks ago and then like a week later he gets paid exactly and i think that happened with the ones that i remembered. At least we're jot josh parson former. Yeah yeah persephone was brought in. I think it was against the mets in a huge situation and failed and a huge situation. Not like why they brought him in when it was seven to one big situation and david bells like well. He's the best guy and then three days later. Dawn not even a part of the team anymore. Exactly and david bell gave a big speech about how important he loves his team to your mom and dad yeah very weird and then Just obvious things like i. I haven't heard many people really talk about the fact. That william donnas ended up with the brewers But they read could have gotten him. Yeah i think they could've gotten him via trade and he. I think he's still making league minimum or something like that. Yeah got him. The brewers god him about a month and a half into the season from the tampa bay rays and they gave something up of significance but they had a huge weaknesses. Shortstop defensively and offensively wasn't worked and not only did they address it. They address it with a guy who they control for three more years right right. It's just. I don't understand how they weren't at least aggressive. Obviously aggressive on on trying to get him in my. That's just my opinion again at the deadline. We wanted bullpen help. They got bullpen helped. Better the bullpen. Hasn't been fixed. But you know this whole issue about not being able to hit against lefties there were righty bats available. That were righty. Bats moved the deadline. The reds didn't get any of them. Now i didn't mind asdrubal cabrera thing. I certainly didn't vision. That he would go. Oh for his seventeen. But it's it's aggressive. This offseason bothered me was not that they were cheap. It was this team left in the wake of what they did. This off season was still pretty good and the way the season is played out has proven that they're five over five hundred despite what's happened over the last couple of weeks there in the wild card hunt and the front office didn't give it a chance. The front office didn't give the roster a chance and the holes on the roster of the issues that they have the you mentioned the dudes like brand brock. And even tyler knick win and kyle farmer. Who's a good dude and there's value in having him on the team. That's not a guy who should be getting five hundred plate appearances for a contending team all of those things that weren't really sustainable. Have caught up to this club right right and i I had one one more point that i wanted to bring up that i i've found weird. Recently is the fact that like the line of shiels junior has gone through more than one organization in twenty twenty one alone. And i don't think he played in a single big league games for any other team and then the reds pick him up in the middle of a pen of race or the wildcard chase and end up like he's playing relatively often confusing. I don't like what's going on. Yeah he he was with texas's triple a. Team and then. He was with boston's aaa team. He did not play in the big leagues. this season. for either of those organizations he was last at the major league level. Last year he did not produce his last quality. Big-league seasons probably is i which was two thousand. Fifteen and yeah. He's the guy they get to add to their outfield. Mix in the middle of playoff chase. It's part of it's adam necessity because you don't have sends out some of the guys you thought you can count on simply aren't very good but would have been nice for somebody spots where they're just trying to make it up as they go along to get an established player and in centerfield didn't do that and then shortstop they didn't do that and really in the in the bullpen. Before the season they didn't do that either. Start on. i agree a hundred percent enjoyed man have a good day. Thank you all right tearing do we have time. Do we have time for this. Do you have it. So how much time do we have here. We have to get right to brennaman and jones. Everybody have good old laugh at my expense here. We were making fun of channel the local twelve. They call the forecast by the way. They may have been doing this for decades. I have no idea. I just it struck me as i'm watching erica clearer. She's actually on now. They fact they've maybe they're listening to us because they've taken the future cast branding now just as precision doppler twelve hd by the weather authority but anyway earlier. She was showing off her future. Cast and i just. I think stuff like that's funny. Television consultants make like high six figures to come up with crap like that. And i then brought up that when this radio station for started like in two thousand it was on a different frequency. It was called thirteen sixty homer the sports animal. I don't know why we had to call it the sports animal. But that's what was going on. We couldn't just have sports updates. No no no no somebody. Some big wig with the companies like call him sports attacks. You're attacking the audience with sports. And then i was reminded that somewhere in the system. There's audio of me reading sports attack. I think in like two thousand or two thousand one. Perhaps and this is me. I believe this is the first time aside from just occasionally being on one of the other shows as a very very very young producer. This is the first time that like all right. Well you can do the sports attacks. I don't remember what show was for. I don't remember what time of day it was. Do you have a charity. Have one of them is thirteen. Sixty homer sports at tennessee always doing here in college basketball last night it took two overtimes but number fifteen wake forest outlasted eighth duke ninety four eighty the hell by talking about the demon deacons of the blue devils and fourteen tries. Who can wait. Says his team can't shoot. We just haven't shot from about three weeks. Some are wide a big day tomorrow for ucla. Xavier the muskie's host rhode island. Will the bearcats had to charlotte to take on the forty niners. Reds news pitchers and catchers play. Catch tomorrow in sarasota nascar the field for sunday's daytona five hundred is set and you can hear every lap right here boys animal yesterday. Dale earnhardt junior. And robby gordon with winners of the gatorade twin one twenty gordon with the obligatory sponsor sucker very proud of everybody at our and especially my cingular wireless guys Kevin hamlin all the guys on the picture. They they good job in the pants. Got us out. I with sports attacks at fifteen and forty past the hour on the home of the bank of team sports. i'd forgotten. I was told not to use my last name. Because most edgy again highly paid well compensated with like stock options programming geniuses. Come up with stuff like call them sports attacks and don't use your last name. How many of those are there in their terron three. Why was i leading with a college basketball game. Between i mean obviously it was like in february because i was talking about pitchers and catchers reporting nothing else going on that i led with duke and wake forest by the way no remote idea what year two thousand and one i think it was two thousand might have been two thousand. There was. There was nothing there that would indicate to. We hear more later. I that honestly aside from the. I'm oh thing was not as awful as i remembered it being. I haven't listened to that in a very long time. The college radio tapes. I have somewhere again. Not that different from what. You're listening to right now. Which says a lot. I haven't really progressed as an on air performer. That much but still quite bad. I remember the email. Hey you're going to do the sports attacks. Don't use your last name. What be edgy. That's why we're calling him. Sports attacks attack. I remember and i. I'm not trying to be flipping here. i i mean. We just commemorated the twentieth anniversary of september eleventh. Two thousand one and at the time. The station was running sports attacks. So then another one of these highly compensated programming geniuses. Like you know what we shouldn't do. We shouldn't call them sports attacks and i of remember raising my hand and going you know. Why don't we just call them. Updates moving forward. Why do we why do they have to be called tax. Isn't that stupid. So let's just use this as a reason to pivot to what every other station on the planet calls them within a month or so they were back to being tapped attack of sports highlights and info. That you probably already know okay. Five oh five this is espn fifteen. Thirty munnings malaga. I'm glad you're here. Thank you so much for listening. Fifteen minutes richard. Skinner from comments is not a good day just making fun of local twelve. And now we're going to have skinny on and kind of pretend like we didn't do that. I guarantee you. He was not listening. Ignore the fact that we were making fun of their future cast versus forecast thing. And we'll just have a conversation about the bengals with skinny coming up in about fifteen minutes. We'll talk bearcat. Football with our buddy. Jim kelly as cincinnati get set to play on saturday. David bell's pre-game comments as well and one bengal says that when they go to chicago. They're they're looking to do more than just play well and win a football game. You'll hear that in thirty minutes and we have to play more of my old sports attacks. Here's what's happening just to let you know what's going on behind the scenes right now at the radio station. What what used to be an abundance of paper like copy print paper has turned into a shortage and now if you want paper to print stuff with you have to walk around taking paper out of like copiers and stuff. It's turned into a very precious commodity here. And i spent some time during the last break walking around the building doing everything i could to find paper for my printer so i can do my job. We don't have any so. I had to take some extreme measures and stole some from kid chris's office but the reason i bring that up is i didn't have time to tweet out at egger. What's going to be coming up this hour. And i don't want to neglect the folks on twitter. Who might be just aimlessly tweeti