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Monocle Reads: Antony Johnston
"Hello this is monica reads. I'm georgina. godwin my guess. Today is anthony johnson new york times bestselling writer and podcast. His work spans multiple genres from books. Too graphic novels video games. One of his most notable works graphic novel. Coldest city went on to be adapted into a hollywood blockbuster called atomic blonde starring. Charlie's the ron. His latest book is the organized writer. How to stay on top of all your projects and never miss a deadline which is probably something right or not we could ooh reading anthony johnson. Welcome to the shave. When was the last time you mr deadline. It would be a buyout What would he be about ten or twelve years ago now. I can't remember the exact date because it's all bit fuzzy around the tub. But it was just before i started looking into productivity systems and then eventually which led to me coming out with the organized writer system but certainly since coming up with the system and using it everyday. I haven't missed deadline for the laws missing deadlines that made me realize finally realized. Oh i need to sort myself out. And how do you go about doing that. How do you refine down a system that works not just for you that but for everyone well. It was quite a long process as you can imagine i. The first thing i did was i went online. As you know you would be natural thing to do and looked around for ways to help me get organized. I found something that wasn't aware of up until that point. Which was the the world of productivity systems. Which of course. I'm very familiar with but at the time i'd never heard of and i tried a few of the match you know. There are some very good ones. That i'm sure worked very well. If you are working in an office or your business manager that sort of thing. But what i found was that those systems simply don't work for writers for creative workers in general really but certainly not for writers and so i thought okay. Well this is clearly isn't working with some good parts there but as a whole system they didn't work so i took it back to first principles. No thought okay. What do i need as a writer. Because i may not have any experience of productivity systems but i i have experienced being writer. I know what i need. So what do. I need to get myself organized to get through the day to as you say stay on top of all my projects. And how can i put into practice. That will enable me to do that and that will serve me as a writer and as a creative worker and that was like i say not a short process. That was something that took several years. But it's what led to the organized right system that sir. That's in the book. And that as i say i use myself now every day and i me what's really interesting. Is that the beginning of every chapter. You start with what an organized writer does but then you also tell us what a disorganized writer does yeah. Well that's that's the sort of little a fun. Little conceit for people to recognize themselves at the start of each chapter. If you like because certainly everything that i described there in terms of what a disorganized right to do is how i used to be. And i'm these several times in the book. You know i've been there. I was a disorganized writes This is not. I'm not of bringing tablets down from amount in you know. I've been through this journey myself and so yes the start of each chapter. I say well look. This is probably what you're like at the moment but this is what you can be like a few put the system into practice so without giving too much away because obviously we all have to buy the book what are the basic tenets of this the basic tenets are take control of your calendar and your schedule and plan in advance and then put into practice a system that enables you to avoid distractions by taking everything that you need to remember putting it into everything non writing. I mean that you need to remember putting it into a system that will remind you when you need to know about those tasks that you need to carry out and thereby clearing your mind so that when you sit down to write the only thing you're thinking about is you'll writing which in itself is enough to fill anybody's brain. That's one of the points i make. Is that when we all writing. We are already juggling. Dozens of different trains of thought and trying to put things together and trying to use our imagination to the fullest and organize our thoughts into a story or a piece of journalism or whatever the last thing we need is more non writing stuff using that space in our memory as it were and so yes the basic principle of the system. I mean there are many parts. Obviously the basic principle above all others is get everything else out of your mind so that when you sit down to write. That's all you're thinking about right so once you've got a system that reminds you to pay the gospel by dog food or whatever honey then a void. The monday scourged and that is of course intrusion not only digital intrusion not only from emails but but as a writer and somebody that may need to research just endless kind of deep dives into the internet. That is mostly a matter of shia disciplined. Unfortunately that is something i mean. There are software solutions to this. There are certain plug ins and applications. You can buy that will effectively shut off your internet for a period of hours And thereby literally prevent you from going online those a quite extreme. But i do know people who use them you know. They work But mostly yeah. There are always ways to get round that sort of thing and so mostly. It is a question of being disciplined and having the willpower to say no. I'm not gonna do that and recognizing if you if you do if you kind of fall off the wagon were recognizing that you've done that and fixing it and not beating yourself up going okay. I made a mistake. They're all you know. I'll go back of switch off my email or whatever and try a game and what you find sunny. What i found is the that becomes much much easier. Partly because when you do that the reward you get which is the. Obviously you're writing goes a lot better. You are more focused. You get more writing done on. The writing do is better. you realize the benefits. It's a bit like the gym. Everybody hates going to the gym. Even people who regularly go to the gym like myself hate going to the gym. We'll hated but we do it. Because if you go regularly after a few months you start to realize okay. This is actually worth it. This is having an effect. And even though i don't like doing it. The benefits outweigh the displeasure. If you like from going and it's much the same word staying of social media not checking your email doing your best to ensure that you're not interrupted by the real world while you'll writing. It's it's not easy. And i make this point again in the book you have to. You do have to put in the work. This isn't a silver bullet. You know this isn't trick that you can pull an everything's wonderful overnight but if you put in the work you will get benefits out of it. Speaking of going to the gym. What about the opposite of that snacking whilst writing. I'll just have a cup of tea. I'll just have a sandwich. That's fine so long as you don't use that time to yet check facebook on your phone or all. Gs check my email. That's the thing because you know we all have to do that. You know we have to walk our dogs or we have to go and make a drink or crop something tweet. That's fine but wall. You're doing that let. Especially if you're a fiction writer the best thing to do is to let your brain simmer on the things that you'll writing at the moment because you often find in those moments that's when solutions to problems will come to you and it's a bit like getting in the shower. That's always when you suddenly realize you have the answer to a problem. That's been nagging at you. Same thing can happen while you making the tea or you're walking your dogs or whatever but it won't happen if you pull out your phone and go and check twitter right so i mean my mistake then probably is that. I've been trying to do. What i think is called the pomodoro metric where i work for forty five minutes and then for fifteen i let myself catch up on emails and tool the rest of it and i guess one's ones losing one's train of thought at that point it's fine to have a break but not to go off and do something else. Exactly i mean i. I don't like the pomodoro mad. I'm afraid i know people who use it. I know screenwriters who work in what they call. Sprints which is basically the same thing they say okay for the next thirty minutes. I'm going to do nothing but right in the reward for that. Is that at the end of it. Allow myself a ten fifteen minute break to go and do something else. If it works for you then. I wouldn't advocate changing on a big believer in continuing to do things that work for you. If you not having a problem with something like that then don't change it. Stick to what works but if you are having trouble focusing something light pomodoro tecnique. I don't think will help you because as you say it. Does it builds in distractions whereas again. This is mostly for fiction writers rather than nonfiction i would think but for fiction writers. The last thing you want is interruption. You want and need often sustained lengthy periods of time. Where you're doing nothing but thinking about your work fiction and you know writing down whenever you can rather than deliberately interrupting your own train of thought which again for a fiction writer. I think is kind of just not a very good idea. Now you have worked across many different genres. You started as a graphic designer You adopted anti harvard. Says alex rider books into graphic novels. You've written video game scripts. I mean you're a fiction writing. You do all sorts of things. Does this work across all of those different areas. Yes absolutely and that's partly why came up with this method. Because i do work across all those different media. I don't think i would be able to work So much across all these different media. If i wasn't organized if i didn't have everything together as it were and i should say i'm not perfect. Sometimes i do allow things to get off of me and our. I've taken on a bit too much hair. Or i've not giving myself enough time to really do the best job that i could on this particular gig but certainly i wouldn't have been able to do all those different things if i wasn't fairly organized if i didn't use this system to keep track of into stay on top of all my deadlines and schedule do you ever have that thing with as a project that just absolutely dreading and you cannot bring yourself to start it once you do. It's probably quite easy. But it's that initial thing have to start this thing that i just don't want to do. And how do you conquer that. That happens to me. I would say all the time but yes i mean just as susceptible to that as any other writer. It certainly has happened to me. That's eight is something that's i mean. Nobody enjoys it. But that is where my a philosophy that i call just right comes into place and that is based around the maxim that any writing is easier to revise by even the worst writing in the world is it is easier to revise that than it is to ride in the first place and so i subscribed to a theory that if you just write anything even if it's terrible even if you know it's dreadful even if you're not enjoying it just get the words down on the page then once you've worked through the first draft. They searched zero draft. As i call it you can then go and revises and all you're doing then he's making it better so that's a much more enjoyable process and you may well find as so often happens. That's when you come to reread it. You realize that actually wasn't as bad as you thought it just felt bad at the time partly because you weren't enjoying doing it but this again comes down to discipline and Having that sort of determination to get through the initial draft. Because like i say from that point on all you're doing is improving it and who doesn't love. I speak to so many writers one question. I often ask. Them is what they're listening to when they right. So for instance unlike as it may seem elif shafat listens to heavy metal and other people listen to music. That's relevant cups to to the work that they're doing well something that just comes some ambient musical something. Do you think that that's a good idea or is that just yet another distraction. No i think that's a a completely personal thing. I listen to music all the time. While i'm writing and i actually don't think it's that unusual for somebody to listen to heavy metal. Because i do that as well. I listened to a lot of Called drone black metal. While i'm working that's rather nishi s But i also listen to lots of classical lots of movie soundtracks. Lots of techno ambient. Brian eno. And or tech kerr and people like that. I mainly listened to stuff either without lyrics or in the case of the black metal without discernible lyrics Because that means that yes it's the words aren't distracting me as i'm writing but no i listen to music all the time because music is a huge part of my life And has been since. I was a child and i. It's not that. I don't enjoy silence. But i just find it very very comfortable working when there is music but not just noise but specifically musical noise happening around me but like i say this is another area where it's very personal and whatever works is what you should do. I know people who cannot work in noise at all. They need absolute silence. I know other people who call work and dead silence but they don't music on what they want the ambiance of something like a coffee shop in these times. Unfortunately that's very difficult to do But you know people normally would work almost all day in coffee shop because that's sort of noise. The hustle and bustle of people in chatter is actually a really good ground noise for them to work. I know one writer who pipes pink noise into his headphones as working all day extraordinary. What about space. Then i mean where. Where's the best place. Write should be sitting at your desk. Should you be standing at your desk. Perhaps i mean. Do you have any recommendations like that. That's another one. Where i think it very much comes down to your personal tastes and habits. I personally sit at a desk and have done and as a result. I'm a big advocate of getting the right desk and the right chair and making sure that you'll organically comfortable. But i owe people who work standing desks. I know people who work movable desks they sit down pass the time on up part of the time. I know people who work in a laptop people working desktop. I'm a desktop user myself. But i also have a laptop for when i'm traveling. It is again a very very personal choice. I think the best place to write is the place where you are most comfortable and able to focus and i realize that might sound like a bit of a cop out answer but it really is a question of finding what works for you and then doing everything you can to ensure that your able to work in that space and able to replicate that kind of space that working area whenever you Sit down all stand so right Just to play devil's advocate for a minute. Is there ever an argument for chaotic working style. I mean talking about serve. People like punters thompson. These people who are perceived as very glamorous and also very talented. Well i think ira hunters. And i don't think he's actually the best example of that because yes he cultivated this persona of being the wild man and as you say a bit category but the fact is the hunter s. thompson wrote for hours and hours every day. He was a very very disciplined worker. It was just everything else around his work but was rather less disciplined. Joey say i was asked. This question. really about francis bacon as well because his workshop was completely chaotic and obviously he was a genius. I don't think it's very difficult to argue. That being organized will make you a better writer because you can't make that comparison. There's no parallel universe where we can compare you know. Being organized being disorganized and see what work comes out of it. But what i can say without a shadow of a dots. I mentioned earlier. Is that since being organized. Getting myself together. I have produced more work than i would have otherwise. And i'm a big believer that as a writer especially or any kind of creative but certainly as a right of being prolific actually makes you better because the only way you can truly practice is to do it anthony. I hope you change my life. Well like i said. Let's not oversell these things. But i certainly hope that i can help you know. In one or two areas the organiz writer hard to stay on top of all your projects and never muscled line is published by bloomsbury. It's by antony johnston and thanks so much. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. You've been listening to monica. Reads thanks to the production team of nora whole charlie phil mccord and louis allen georgina godwin. Thank you for listening.
623: Doctor Who S12E10 review: "The Timeless Children"
"Dr Flash ALCO-. Welcome back everybody to the doctor. Who Flash I'M JASON SNELL? And this is the last one we've done ten. This is the last of them for season. Twelve series twelve. Whatever you WANNA call it number. Twelve of doctor who away away into the in the void again for a long long long long time. But I'M NOT GONNA try to get. I'll be sad at the end but for now I'm joined by two wonderful people to talk about this final season finale big deal. Lots of things happen episode. Both returning guess James Thompson was just here and he's back. Hello well I was here for one so I felt. I had to come back for pilots. Right you were contractually obligated to return Antony Johnston is also back. Hello I am indeed. I was just thinking actually that this isn't really I mean. It is the season finale but we do still have Christmas special whatever. The special is broadcast to close out the series proper. Right which they you know. Essentially I think recorded right after they did this. So it sort of the same you know. And there are elements in this which. I'm sure we'll get into their elements in this which point to you know it could have been a lot more final than it is rape And I don't just mean the cliffhanger the end meaning terms of characters the stuff they could have done if they wanted to actually close out the series awkward this episode that they did not do so. I assume those things are being kept back for the special right that that All the characters all the actors are in the special that are in this the the regulars so if they're writing anybody out they would probably do it. We don't know what GonNa air that but presumably Christmas or new years though. Those are the two dates that are the most likely gas. Yeah so this is less than an Easter one. Something random first week of August special. Something interesting interesting choice. They seem to like the tradition of the doctor. Who Christmas special indoor indoor New Year Special. So let's see okay. It's the timeless children. We have to talk about it. And I'm I'm brought back to something that I talked about with Eric and Stephen for fugitive of the June. Which is there are a few different ways of judging doctor who story or really any especially story which is or TV series episode. In any way right which is momentous things for the Canon or the ongoing story or the back story of characters that happens in an episode and then there is the. Was it an entertaining episode? And they're different. I feel like they're different. And they they. They don't always have to both be true. This is a momentous episode. In terms of setting some things in motion and paying some things off from previous episodes. And then it's also a quite long actually There was a moment where I couldn't believe that I was still. The plot was not anywhere near the end. But this is a this is a sixty five minute long episode. So there's the master and there's the Cyberman and they've got their cyber ship. There's the loan cyberman and sub man and he's going to You know look for our friends who are on the ship and then there. There's a lot going on here and then story ends up being about those two things this sort of plot involving what what is the master up to? What are the? Cyberman UP TO. And then there's this other part of the story. Which is the master reveals to the Doctor. A lot of information gleaned from him spending a lot of time messing around kills all the time. Lords and then messes around in the Matrix. Because I don't know it's a big first reality databank. And he was messing around in and he wanted to find out all the time lords secrets and he found out more than he bargained for. So we have these two different kinds of stories. I guess that's my first question for both of you is overall. How does this? How how did this work? And did you feel any of that? Kind of push. Pull between kind of momentous doctor who canonical things and let's have a big end of series blowout adventure. I mean I felt it worked. Pretty well on both levels. There was a point I looked at the clock and it was like a lot of things hadn't been resolved and I was like. Are they going to actually finish this? You know the the story line as it were and they had twenty minutes left or something and D- Did but exactly the same points that I had for forty minutes and you're thinking wait a second. Yes so you know. I was half expecting to be continued card at the at the end but we kind of got enough of a resolution with things dangling for future episode all season but enough of a resolution that they could tack on another cliffhanger. I have nowhere so I enjoyed it and I didn't feel it was dragging too much or anything at any point so there wasn't. I had some problems with it as we went along. And some of the things like the CO Co Sharma's who might as well have said I'm going to sacrifice myself for you like about this episode. That were a bit sort of obvious but and we'll come back to that but anyway I I like to. I I could see I made the fatal mistake of looking in some of the doctor who forums afterwards and I think people were entirely polarized between eleven eight to ten and zero to ten of course so like every doctor episodes yes but I. I didn't have any problems. So yeah I think we spent most of the previous flash cast saying well you know this was a good first part but let's see if they stick the landing and I'm prepared to agree that they did they did. It's I saw. Some people say that they felt it like these. Two episodes were spread out in that they did dragon. There was only one episode with a story and then I disagree with that quite strongly but I also was glad the word parts of this episode. Where things did slow down a little bit. But I felt that that was good. I felt it was deserved and actually helped the episode to breathe a little bit Yeah I mean like you. Broadly happy with obviously not perfect. When is it ever had some problems? But for the most part enjoyed it both as an episode and as a momentous game changer thing I think it was. There was a bit more emphasis on the game. Changer thing then on making a good episode Because there was so much focus on the doctrine master relationship and the revelations and all of that but still they did manage to get a lot of running through corridors in then or through tents in one instance You know and a bit of companion action and all that sort of thing so yeah I thought it. Was you know it was a bad as well balanced as it could be and and I never thought I'd say this about the chip nol-era. Let's be honest but I have to say in comparison to some of the other you know. Previous show runners more recent seasons really. I think the bar has been raised in general. Yeah it it There are a lot of season enders for doctor who says the show came back that have felt more often disappointed than not buy them because they feel like they have to have these giant stories that the whole universe our planet or whatever is at stake and they ended up being kind of a letdown when they're very quickly resolved at the end and I felt as these kinds of stories. Go that this one was actually pretty pretty. Well done there are a and we'll get into it here in a minute but there are some moments where I was like. I don't know about that but but I thought pretty well handled and I want one of the things that impressed me as I kind of assumed when the master took the doctor away and put her in the Matrix and was gonNA show her all of the revelations. I kind of assumed we were going to have to episodes for most of it where there was gonna be a and the B and the was the Cyberman and the companions and the be was the doctor and the master and very quickly. It's clear that's not the case right that he he. I mean there is a moment. I'm sure entity you noticed this to somebody who has written many novels now. There was that moment where there's alignment tossed up. It's like I can do both and I thought well yes can be in two places at once. It's literally we have a pot in the back lot in the mess in both of them. So we're just going to say that he can be in both of them and not worry about it and I thought well because it's Delta who yeah yeah but it was one of those moments where it wants to and but I admire it because it wants to be interested in the master talking to the Cyberman as it does dropping revelations on the doctor that this isn't it Kristie. Listen saying no. No no what is really is a story about some. Cyberman and the companions and separately a story about the master and the doctor like No. They're connected they're intertwined the master in the Cyberman are really what the story is about. It's it's much more than than what you thought. And and I think pulled off which I felt like try to do something harder and pretty well succeeded at it when I I honestly wasn't expecting that I was expecting it to be kind of revelatory. Interesting stuff and kind of explosions letdown storyline mixed and it wasn't that yeah. I got to say that I also admire the share storytelling Chutzpah of doing that whole. Oh it's okay I can do both of these things I can be which is not something that has ever another new thing. That's never been in dots. Who before but let's just do an? I don't mind it because that wasn't important. Like wh how the master can do this or the fact that we are going to focus on both stories ones. That doesn't matter that's not important. What's more important. What had more of a potential to sort of you may go her. Wait a minute and be a letdown was unresolved issues. That they'd set up before just having the balls go. Now it's fine. He'll just do both of these things at once. That's just you know. Just move on. I almost thought what he was going to do was say oh. Don't worry. I set up my powerpoint presentation in the Matrix a long time ago. I'm just playing a video for her. It's she's she's got that I got. You know your full attention. My full attention. We're talking here Mr Cyberman Sir. But he was like no. I can do both okay. Fine great you know. You're very talented. You got the you. Download the Matrix in the Siberian later. So you've got a lot going on inside that the head of yours All right well I took so many notes that we will never be able to get through it but I'll try to hit some high points of the of the episode and we'll see where it leads us the let's talk about the Cyberman plot because what's happening here is the Cyberman are going. They've arrived at the boundary. Co Sharma. Says down there. He's an old general. Apparently he's got some tricks to try and survive. The master invites them through and says please come to gala Friday. I want you over here. I WanNa talk to you. And then in this part of the plot because again he can do be in two places at once we do get some are characters on the ship are hiding and Cyberman outfits in order to try to escape and they see that. There's a transplant. So they can. They can beam down basically before they go through the boundary. Which is what they do. We have. We have Ryan Sharma's and the kid on the ground kind of like trying to survive when they beam down some some cyber units to attack them and then the masters having a conversation with alone cyberman on gala Frei where. He's trying to explain like I have a big plan. What's your big plan will compare our big evil plans and see where we go from here. which leads to some stuff that we can talk about in a little bit but You know I thought this was a again like last week. Lots of lots of explosions. The CYBERMAN are kind of more interesting. Because they've got some purpose to them behind their schemes. I thought that was good I I like the humor. That's in the stuff with grandma's especially like what if we hidden inside the Cyberman armor and they look at him and he's like look. I didn't say it was a perfect plan. I I thought Graham has just wash star wars awful salt so this is what I was gonNA say is no one. No one that we don't get is aren't you a little short for a Cyberman? Yes Sir but I what? I have some head candidate which I'll share right now which I assume cyberman suits have like little adjust height adjustment. Things like almost like they're on stilts because people come in different sizes so they probably have like adjustment so that they can all be a uniform even though the organic stuff the inside normally isn't so that's my head cannon for why they all look like proper Cyberman not like a couple of really short ones because that would have been funny but also suspicious. It's not star wars that Graham seniors revenge of the cyberman which how this exact thing any slight. Humans disguised as sly would've loved a moment where he says. Hey yes you ever see on. Uk Gold. Do you ever see that. Show sorry go on James. No I was just GonNa say the one thing with the sending the Cyberman to run through the tents and all that was like this ship not have guns on it. Could you just beaming down on the way through? I guess you're right. You could have strafed blown up the entire Campbell. I guess they could but the people would have still been running around and they would have had to send. It's it's fine like that was what I read that. It was like well. The master says do me a favor. Can you kill all those people before you know? Leave some people behind and kill all those guys before you come through like okay. We'll do that. And so it's it's a right. They could have beamed down even more cyberman right. They could have like yeah crush. The tenants under the shape. Gm says it very much feels like we need to have something for the companions to do. So this is what we have for them to do. Yes and Ryan his basketball. No and yes I like like paying off the the weeks basketball training and the funny like again. Funny stuff that comes. There's no funny stuff really or at least not very much coming from the doctor and the master but but with the companions especially in some stuff from the master there are. There are moments of of humor that I appreciate it because it lightens lightens. The seriousness of it ever and Graham has a lot of those kind of funny lines the chat between Graham and yeahs where he goes into great detail on how. She's the best person he's ever made an all out and she just comes by with. You know you're pretty good too and he's I don't know if mark offended or genuinely offended but she comes back with your show. That's a love letter really good. It's also accurate has somebody who lives in that part of the country. Trust me but I don't. That was a really nice scene too because it is heartfelt and it's and it's also funny it was it was really on the nose but I think is an you and I talked about this in the flesh gas. We did before Jason. I really think a lot of Graham's character arc. This season has been frankly about doing things that in British culture men are not comfortable doing and he's deliberately said and done a lot of things that traditionally British men do not do And you know having some of Said before like Bradley Walsh in that role who is pretty much universally loved by everyone in the country doing those sorts of things I think is. It's an interesting choice for sure. Yeah I think what he says to like. I know this is going to sound like a like a dad or like an like an old man. But you know you really great. And you're you're you're you're better than the doctor because you don't even have the time she and all that it's very sweet it you know and and I think what we talked about. Anthony absolutely that giving him permission to save these. It is also we may. We may die so I'm going to tell you this now. Well she'll yes the one thing that and this is giving a little bit but this I mean about the stuff does matter you know things like why doesn't the ship strength the Campbell. Whatever obviously for story purposes etc novel that. Abella more bothered about this whole business of the cyber man. The loan seidman being part of a resistance is never addressed in this episode. So so that's never resolved nuts like if I'm told that in the close captioning what the line the line he says in the haunting of Villa dotty is. I killed my family when they joined the resistance so he he's a wannabe Cyberman. Who got turned down or didn't get entirely converted or converted himself or something like that. But Yeah I do I will say the doctor who has a long tradition of taking building up these big villains and then kind of like just cutting them off tossing them aside and in fact this season that's happened right so Here it's it's a an interesting moment when it happens but like I found him fascinating and here he just sort of gets talked to death by the master. And that's the end of the loan cyberman. Oh well also also one of the things that I did roll. My eyes at is the the death particle which we have never heard of before but here it is and now it's Oh and then there's that line later where they're like. Well what can we do and the lady says well? I've heard tell a story of a death particle. I'm like really yeah. Yeah that that was a bit. I mean the whole death particle thing and I and the like not to skip ahead but the the one explosive that the doctor who has built like entire sonics out of spoons or whatever couldn't make time for right and had to be there in person to to trigger it that that whole thing and didn't really work for me but I get why it was a little a little timer with a little Thing that that pushes the button and then you put tape that tape that together and run it in there and what are those little building bird thing is just to anybody else get. Ob One vibes by the way absolutely when he was planting those closest to moving into that coma. Whatever I the way of the exact the Cyberman as he did so is this a deliberate on March to the trump. I thought he was. Ob One last week and in this when he refers to himself as a general was for the first time again. If he'd said that's a name I haven't heard a little short for a Cyberman and then later he can say i. I thought I thought with your your father in the cyber wars which basically did say so there you go cyberman. It's all the same. Yeah I mean when the when the the loan Seidman says Zeno Oh it will not leave me while I live like. How are you again? It's like he's he's the big bad but in fact he's not the big bad the masters the big bad and I did appreciate it. If I'm doing this from the standpoint of the master toying with somebody who thinks that they're the big villain but they're not it's actually kind of enjoyable and and I will say also that scene so talk about funny things. The master has a lot of funny things. Sasha want great again the I giggled at even though it's ridiculous it made me laugh which is all roll out the red carpet. It's red because it's drenched in the blood of our people that made me laugh so much because it's ridiculous but also you know it's it's Kinda good. Yeah that was actually pretty good but the moment where where the loan cyberman reveals his grand plan. Which is I have the death particle created by the Siberian which. I'm still not entirely sure about the Siberian. How it works and how much of it is is him. And how much of it is the Siberia all of that? But I I really like is that I'm going to my goal. Is We're going to rise to full automation. We're going to be purged organics. Were we're going to destroy all life in the universe and we'll be purely mechanical at which point the masters like Oh you mean robots robots you've invented robots bit disappointed like it's so good and and that leads to his final line that maybe any can go which is what are we workshop. This kick it around. I have some notes on your master plan. It's not really very good. If the final result his reaction to it is so good. Because that's our react. Yeah Mine and I imagine. Most people rebel inside kill people and then we'll just be robots but then there's low sleeper. No and he says I used to do that. I've done Loza robots. That's terrible but I do. You can't throw a stick with this galaxy with I. I've done that. I've done it so that was that was incredibly funny in this tension filled moment where the two villains are basically comparing notes about who is who has got the better idea and the answer is of course. The master has the better idea. And he's going to shrink down the loan cyberman into a little little of character you can use on. Dvd MAP little metal figurine solve it left of him. I'm sure they'll be selling those alone. Cyberman don't blow it up or you get the death particle. Nobody wants to death. The whole death particle thing so unnecessary like it doesn't need to be a part of the Cyber Man's side men's plan and also you know it doesn't need to be the thing that blows up the master in the Cyberman at the end. They could have been other things that were less ridiculous. And it's you know I'm I'm loath to complain about. Don't to being ridiculous because that's part of the fun of it is the absurdity to introduce something that important as you said at this late stage and then have somebody. Oh yes. I've heard legends. These new I. I'm a big fan of of creating simple ridiculous. Things that are that don't need detail like my best example of this is in the first episode of the of the relaunch of the show in rose. The doctor says I have a solution to the autobahns and he holds up a beaker and says anti plastic and she says Roy says anti plastic. It's never explained. This stuff will kill plastic. Let's go and I love that because I don't need to know more about it. However the death particle it just. There's something about it the wrong and given that they already have the Siberian which they also still haven't really explained. Couldn't you have made the to the one thing? I was hoping it offends my my elegance. Sensibility I was thinking what I needed to know was in the previous episode that the loan Cyberman had a weapon or virus or something that consumed organic material that he that this was his big thing is that he would kill people not by shooting them with a laser but by spraying them with stuff that makes people dissolve and then in this moment it would be like a high and. I've got a lot of it and I will use it to kill everybody in the universe but it's never set up. There's never it's just here at the end it's dropped in that and it's and it's the ultimate weapon right. It's it's dropped in and everybody seems to have known about it and it's the ultimate weapon and it's just. It's too easy. Well I mean we had a captain Jack he could have said beware the Death Party. Something his little speech but he was being eaten alive by. Little Nanno bought things. Make it the same as those in some fashion right. Got To watch out for that that particle you'll get ya. Yes particle kill everyone in the galaxy or just on a plan on what he said that it literally killed all life in the universe this but darnold blown up or maybe because it's been miniature. Yeah that's my head Canon because it was shrunk anyway I at least I do like the master of getting the best of him but it is a disappointment that he was a cut of properly creepy interesting villain who is then just kind of tossed away. Now we're done with him. I I would hope that he comes back somehow. You know through the joys of time travel. Who was there? A throwaway line as the explosion was about to happen. I thought the master says something alike in he. Yes yes I think that's the I will jump in the tireless. Perhaps bringing a few of my friends with I. It's there it's there as the explosion is happening and it's unclear it's sort of like that's the reason why the mastermind have have escaped and not died but we should talk about the other part of his plan. Then which is that he and this is another thing that I had an issue with which is and I've had it the whole season. Which is he says. Oh Yeah I killed I killed all the time. Lords destroyed which is kind of a big move that is never explained. It's like well we'll just I. Did it. Suffice to say I did it and so I've gone the whole season thinking there's gotTa be more to that story and then he was going to use the Cyberman to do it. Yeah sort of timing Ryan. What we get is yeah. Go ahead all that. What he saw the Matrix was what made him kill the time Lords but he explicitly says that it was the other way around. Yeah exactly right. He Kills Them and then he surfing around in the Matrix and finds this thing and again. It's a big move that he is just sort of taken as a fait accompli. That he did it. And we don't know how it's like you killed really you literally. You destroyed all of gala free and killed all the time Lawrence and put their bodies in like a freezer so they couldn't regenerate or something and that's like not really part of the story that just suffice it to say that that happened. That's the part that just it bugs me because I I like the twist here. Which is I kept the bodies and I'm going to cyber convert them and I'm going to use the power of Cyberman. I think I think the head pieces of the D. Cyber Lords are a little impractical. But I I love the thing I had with. That is like either. The mouse has a lot of time or good. Industrial Design Group. But you know he's gone from. I have this plan to have this plan. Pretty intricate carving and you know we reflect the Gallup fray in heritage here and like the faces a is. It's an unhappy face and do the lots of little details on it. And I thought you've done that you've got nipped in your toddler you've spent a month you know what it could look icon. And then he comes back loads that into the three D. printers on the cyber ship. Yay and they come with an cloaks which I did like that. I love that so much that it's like of course at the time lords they have they have little robe best things and their cyber men and because that was honestly it was silly it was fun and it's a great idea right like what if you stuck a time. Lord in a Cyberman shot them and died. I guess if you kill the aerodynamic parts but not the mechanical parts like if you damage the mechanical parts it doesn't matter but I'm thinking about it too much like a time Lord is inside a Cyberman. You can't kill them. It's a that's a. That's a super fun idea. That's never been done. Yeah so great and they looked fantastic. I love did I. I'm in the camp where people who loves the POMPOSITY and the ridiculous costumes of the phrase things like deadly assassins when they marched out wearing the huge domed callers and stuff like a year in metal was on board of. Let's be fair. The Time Lords are awful. Most of the time we see them there are good time. Lords is a rotting decadent society. They're terrible people do terrible things and so on one level it's like of course they're Cyberman now. Sure of course they are. I mean we were saying last week that Cyberman have been pretty bad on their own and you know the time lords stories generally not great. So let's put them together and we can have something different and interest. If I had more time here I would make some kind of power law comparison between Elrick of Mel Lubna and the doctor. The Galley Frei and time lords and the doctor's role in that society and all that sort of thing. Because they were both you know around the sixty seventies both kind of came around the same time and it's sort of in the field of one would've been aware of the other but that's for another podcast but so we've got a whole thread that we haven't talked about. Which is the what happens in the Matrix. In fact what James Perfectly. That's a loss perfectly. I I I was going to go there now because I'm not sure I feel like we've kind of gone. As far down the CYBERMAN STORIES. We can go. I mean we've gotten all the way to the to the end and we even talked about the death part also the other piece of it is the is the Matrix and this is one of those things where I'm sure people watch this thought. Oh the Matrix. That couldn't come up with more clever name for it than just ripping off the the movie. The Matrix like. Oh it's from the deadly assassin in nineteen seventy six in the original. Vr Matrix was doctor. Who but all the references in this part of the story line. It's amazing the direct references to the deadliest. Panopticon IS DOWN THERE. We we graduated here assassinated presidents here the best of times right yes and and so he puts the doctor in the Matrix and basically like I said presses play on his on powerpoint presentation. That's going to explain the history of the time lords because he he kept the trove of secrets around because I was just playing around and I found everything And he and then he proceeds to tell and this an interesting storytelling choice because it literally is stopping the plot for the master to tell a story about the history of the time Lords. But but it's pretty cool. So before the time lords there were there were just Sheboygan's on gala and then there was an explorer named tone who who developed space travel traveled around and on one planet found a boundary another boundary a gateway a portal of some sort into an unknown dimension or universe. She look through it. And glimpse the in the infinite and beneath that she found a child who she took home and raised and then one day in a scene. That is a match for the kid falling off the cliff last week. The child falls off a cliff and doesn't die but regenerates I mean I think all of that. The island stuff was matched in this because the child was fine. So child was founded up asking and goes off and gets a job for the police are currently like some kind of gallow fray in section thirty one or something right and then has at the end of their service to to this get so clock for advanced memory although weight so I read that slightly differently because part of the story that we're told Tehran is the light. The child regenerated many many times. And it's not I mean it's not explicitly said that she killed the child so that it would regenerate many many times but you know one way or another. She lived an awful long time while that child kept dying and generate. Yes I did think there was probably a little bit of And so I took the the stuffing island. I didn't I mean yes. I can see how it could be taken to be this whole business with the division and a memory white before the Hartnell. Doctrinal that sort of thing which we'll talk about in a moment but I actually took it as being the child's each child's generation. I because at the end of that remember there's this whole light. You know we're sorry but we've got to. We've got to kill you now and you won't remember any of it so no. I don't think that that actually bears up in the in the there are of the doctor and of the that person from the division talking to talking to the timeless child. And somebody else about how they're going to not do strict on intervention and the division doesn't exist. It doesn't have operatives and all of that that's all happening. Intercut with images of Brendan in Ireland. So I am on the clock. It says four services to the division. So no you're right. It does so I think that anything about the mother or about temptation right. Is I think that it's a good question to ask. And I think that the episode doesn't really dwell on it which is interesting in its own way about like is she causing the child to keep regenerating in order to figure this out but what. I don't love affair I think it might be a bit overly morbid to focus. Well four children maybe but at the same time that may be the sin at the heart of the time Lord Society is this but what I what I really bothers me about it is. This is her adopted child and I know that there are reasons because of child actors. And you give them dialogue. You have to pay them differently and all these things but the child just sits in that chair in his totally passive and doesn't like talking to temptation doesn't have like that's the part that bothered me. Is it bothered me? That like the child seems totally passive and not a participant in some sort of you know family relationship with her mother who is investigating this power that she has. It's all just sorta short handed to a bunch of silent children sitting in chairs while technion studies them and that kind of bugged me. I I liked the the camera shot of like. The panning ran the chairs. The child changed frequently but one of the things about the section thirty one stuff the division. I've forgotten what it was called already. The division we used to call a celestial intervention agency but apparently now their offense the yeah the temporal Wherever they are in yet anyway the what who was the other person in the chair who was also getting the briefing because I thought the reveal was going to be that it was the master and the master doctored gone off and done this stuff and I had variously messed with their heads to a certain extent. I thought that was take to you and having regenerated. I don't know because when technion regenerated didn't she regenerate into that form wasn't that beer I've only seen it once so I don't know I don't remember question about that. We had about season six. B which is not that this is before. And what Jodie whittaker says at one point is did you regenerate me back into a child then and and that's I think the strong suggestion. Is that what? The doctor remembers as their life begins in that you know and in the barn in listen and all of that and and growing up to become the William Hartnell. Doctor that is that is as far back as the memory goes because they reached that point. Where THEY THEY WIPE? They got rid of everything. Thank you for your service and wiped everything and then you start again this child and you would never know that you were any anything special and everything. That came before was different. Although still yet to be discussed is well. That means that the Tartus has been with Dr Longer than the Doctor Remembers. And how did that happen and we just discussed yet? Yeah I mean the was so that was. The question is whether roof is a before after in the flashbacks where it does sort of. Can't dance through the previous doctors and many many many things I went through and free. Shrimp yes ruth is the last thing pre heartful. So implication there. If you're doing chronology the roof is pre Hartnell just implied from that. She's possibly the very last doctor pre Hasselblad because she is will because she is the one who's on the runaround remember from the division so actually that would make sense wouldn't it. Yeah well maybe she. She was on the run and then spent a while. Pop Marian being chased by balls because she tried it yet but what I love about this. I mean apart from all the obviously the so you know there's a certain who nudism to it that he's wonderful and I'll be completely enjoyed on right and I've enjoyed on twitter tonight watching his miles which I have all the realizations of like wait. This means that this is Canon and this is Canon and the brains of more cushion. The brain is explicitly made Canon in the brain of Maurice that they saw those all those faces. This they all appear in flashback. So but what I love about. This is that it's all calendar this mate right everything cannon in if you wanted to be a potential doctors which is such a brilliant fight. It's great it's also. It's a massive two fingers up to everybody. Who was going on about? The doctor shouldn't be a woman. Shouldn't be abused in a color. And all this. That's like note to everyone end and The this is the doctor's original form when viewed when discovered is a girl who is a person of color and then we see the generations and it is a it runs the gamut. It's it's male figures female figures and different different different ethnicities and skin color and hair color. And all of it. Yeah it's just like a wide variety of the idea that the doctor has been kind everybody over the course of their lives. And that's that's out there to be played with and yes if you WanNa believe somehow that Peter cushing was actually the doctor you can you can if you want to. Yeah it's fantastic. Say an infinity of just so. I wanted to say that I was after all the theorizing in the last few weeks about this ever. Since the ruth doctor appeared all of the theorizing. I actually thought that this was a rather gentle. Everything you know is wrong in that. It doesn't we. Were lots of theories about how it's like the doctor and the master were both you know. Put into the service of this thing and then they had to escape and that's why they have a connection and all that or like. There was one theory that I saw. That was really interesting. Was that the all the humans that have been fleeing through the boundary had fled into the past of gala free and that they're the origin of life on gala. Friday that the ship bogans are actually just humans who fled the cyberman which it could still be but probably not but could be but this is like now like this is not about that. This is just about the doctor. The doctor is the origin of the time Lords. And that's big enough probe frankly It did give me a moment. There's there's a line where she says something about saving the universe and and I said to myself you're not even from this. Universe came through some portal from somewhere. And nobody knows who you are where you're from but we don't know that well we don't know just standing out the base of the port line. She came through funeral side but she might have done. She might she might have but nobody saw it so again. It's open to interpretation in doctor who series forty five in the year twenty seventy. I saw somebody Talking about the everything. Yunos ally kind of thing inside isn't really making. It's it's a bit more like sort of finding out and sort of you know it kind of throws what you believe to be true into. You know maybe I might think I am kind of thing. But it truly Selective invalidate any of the things. That have happened that you've known about really well and that's what I say that's what I love about. It doesn't actually. It doesn't negate anything you've seen. It doesn't say actually this wasn't true or somebody steps out the shower and it was all a dream. It doesn't do any of that. It just says No. Actually it's all true. And and she has the great reaction of saying you thought this would diminish me or whatever it's like it's just more of me and that's the important that I mentioned this in the in the June episode and it comes back here where we see Ruth. The doctor again the she. She's very clearly the doctor. And that's so reassuring right because that that's that moment in that in the previous episode and in this episode where you could look at this and say Oh my God I was another person before and what both of these scenes do is reassure. You're like no no it's you you were always you always you. You might not remember some of the people you were before but it was always. You always had this attitude you are always on the side and when we meet that Dr. She's on the run because she doesn't want to do that job anymore. Because of who? We know the doctor to be just like the heart doctor. Exactly exactly so the thing with this. The master's plan seems to be either to have either to win. And take over the you know the whole galaxy or whatever and I don't think that was really the plan. The plan seemed to be to get the doctor to kill both of them. Yeah yes explicitly says to the Doctor. Become me. Yes always been. His aim is to make the doctor sink to his left right about one thing and the masters like mostly annoyed because he has bit of the doctor in him giving him his regeneration. And that's the source of all. His anger is that he now. The doctor is the reason that he exists at all and that infuriates. Which is that. I'll buy that. That's very master. Like a thing to do. I think I think so. But also let's not forget that when he talks Cyberman he basically says I. I kind of thought you would kill us both here. And I'd be okay with that which I think is always been a part of the master's personality like the master especially the modern series master. Is it's a fine line between wanting to take over or just being so miserable that he's happy that this whole thing is is kind of like a cry for help or cry for it to be all over and so for Sasha to have that moment with him where he was like well. That would have been fine to like if you if we all died here. That would have been fine too. Because that's I feel like that's part of the master. The problem I have with that that bit is he wants the doctor to kill everyone and to prove that the doctor is just like masta and all the doctor really does is run away while somebody else does it for that right like I worry. I mean that's a running theme on some of the Modern. Who's well as to whether the doctor is just using all the companions as weapons and Co Shabbat has clearly has some unresolved issues and this was their redemption Ark. But but yeah just sort of like no. It's okay I'll push the button. You run away. Yeah again to to make another button analogy. It's like that the argument over AETNA morality with like. I don't have to kill you. I just don't have to save you. And then he light well but he's not any better is actually you know any less morally horrible now? The I mean the masters relationship with the doctor always seems to be you know. Notice me be like me or maybe I'll be like you and I I did have that over where the master says something about how you know. I never I forget exactly what he says. But something like you know. I. I don't have a better nature. This is yes this is who I am and I thought yeah except I saw missy right right right. I thought I assumed that that was a reference to the macy story ARC. But I think we're still not clear what the order of generations is there either so missy could be later future or I don't but I so the resolution for this one group jumps in Tartus. Yeah oh I love that set by the many many times now because they use it for the one that they steal that Peter Cappelli steals. They used it again for the first doctor. Tartus in in that that last episode where Peter Capacity and they used it as a ruth startups in the Judah Soda and we get it twice here as two more Tartus. They've gotten their money's worth and I think it's based on the set maybe from the the adventures in space and time your regional series. So they've really got their money's worth out of it. It's what I'm saying but I I liked a both working chameleon circuits and one takes them back in a sort of like detached house in some my notes. Say Oh house materialized in an empty law and I like that and then. The doctor appears in a quarry which seemed quite fitting in a tree entry The the one tree in the quarry. So you can back somebody with better who law knowledge the me will know. Haven't we had a tree before like maybe the Mo- one of the masters a trigger? Now I mean princess bride is talk goes to alarm space but it's it's down below. It's not like transient deadly transcendental. Whatever it is but but I liked the doctor that todd as walking around the corner going into her and then having to reassure the toddlers. It didn't mean anything. It was just this one time you tell us but now we have three tower. This is out there in the years. You've got two backups. If you need but yeah I mean like I don't know if that other tartus the companions like the extended companions because seven of them How if that's going to be relevant again because we have the doctor not to jump to because house. Are they going to rescue? How are they going to rescue the doctor? The doctor is the doctor is isn't her Tartus and the June materialize. And say you're under arrest and we're taking you away for life and putting you in in maximum security prison and we get and by the way. I will point out that that one I read is the last thing that June say when they leave is but June contracts must always be fulfilled. I thought Oh they're going to be back there but Great David Tennant. Ask moment there where she's like. What what what they are able to materialize inventory doctors hard. It's like well. Why would you have a near Tartus? Harked in its powering up. That sort of what I was thinking is is that it right. It's thought it was supposed easy to park. No yeah she's not going yet. No she's just sitting there thinking having a think okay by corry she says. I'll take a moment all out before I will just sit for a few plot relevant moments well. I think she's overwhelmed with everything that's happened right so I thought that that was appropriate. That she might not want to jump right into it. And when you've got a time machine you can take your time if you need to write. But the Dune don't let her but I think that is relevant right. The the Fam- has the House Tartus. Yes and they may be too if they if they discovered that she's in trouble they might even be able to pilot it or get somebody to piloted for them. I don't know I'm sure they well. I mean you know who knows. Jack knows how to operate artist. Doesn't he added somewhere? They can find some previous companion and say you're not a fly this thing right. Well I mean we've had The doctor turns up in. Prison is sort of final scene and we have the pull back of the prison space station. Whatever possibly shoulder who news or it's that or or storm watch and rivers through doors down. She's GonNa Spring the doctor really get. That'd be actually a pretty good Christmas episode. You you mentioned about like you know the saying on each moments and what have you and I probably a good time to can. We just talk again. Reiterate all have throughout his whole season of just how good Jodie whittaker rates yes carries feels like seventy five percent of this episode on her shoulder between and Sasha. Do I think the two of them? So he's lowering each other. I think they both carry about seventy five percent of the beer is a senior in the Matrix. Where for at least a minute? It's just Jodie whittaker talking with nothing around her and we'll look at me. I'm talking to myself again. Which is great sign? Yeah so yeah I I love both of them and I think that the rest of them get a reasonable amount to do as well sort of again Ryan less Tober Graham and yeah's and and the other extended people but I saw somebody online After these episodes point the part of the brilliant of social dance performances that he appears constantly to be just on the verge of tears but then like despite comes through instant he gets angry and ninety. That's a great summation of how he plays them. Ouster of this the lineup by has it has all this destruction quote your rage or whatever. It is and he says. I think anything's ever going to do that. Yeah Yeah I like. I mean I think that the throwaway line of Just jump or whatever means that he's going to be back. I mean even if the entire planet been blown up you would be back anyway. But it's the master. Romania is going to be back the the fact that he says it suggests to me that we may see more of the the regenerating Cyberman or at least one or something like a. I just hope we see more of him. I think I really good master. Yeah Yeah I. I think he will stick around. Probably at least as long as Jodie whittaker does so I hope he will pop up at least an episode next season. But I do agree any the the perform this year too. I think Judy Whitaker's performance has been even better than last year. And that she like. She's aided in the right after the writing was much better this year too but her performance is really good and she manages to have this sunny fund disposition most of the time but with a layers under it that come out and there is that moment. We haven't even mentioned yet that I I really love. There's more there up on the hillside in probably South Africa and She she basically shoves the master to the ground and shouts at him. Just do it tell me this. What she's so angry and frustrated in that moment it's like it's that's a I if you haven't seen broad church. She shows a lot of colors in that that that she doesn't get a lot of chance to show in in doctor. Who BUT THIS SEASON. She's been able to let some of those out and Yeah she's great it is. It is a really really good performance and talk about that level of difficulty to to. How do you interpret how you the first woman to interpret this part on TV? And she's She's figured it out like she's she's done. A great job actually is really. I would like to know like because reactions to the previous season were mixed. I would say I mean I had some problems with the writing but I thought she was. Great through your. She wasn't one of my complaints about right. But you know they've they've improved. I think on pretty much all levels the from previous season two this season. I just want to know that said well you know. We should reference more bore previous doctors and things like that. Did somebody have that kind of calculating conversation of will that will you? The question of was a reaction or was this always the plan. Yeah the and that's what we don't know and I suspect we may I say never but I suspect we won't know until some years after chip. Noel has left right the role of show. When if ever feel comfortable talk Reich feel comfortable talking about it but the the question is did he want the show in general to be more like last season you know? Kill the leave the past behind killer if you have to sort of style or any reacted and said okay fine you want law nerds here you go or was this always the plan to go. No I WANNA do this master plan and have the infinity of doctors but to get away with it. I I need to completely break with the past. I mean when when he's being interviewed on stage by one of our friends asking Kelly in ten years or so. I suspect this is the kind of thing that will only ever find out kind of whispered in. It's like the story that we've heard about how And again I think I've said this on a podcast before but it's it's generally known that Steven Moffat was ready to be done and and they were ready to Hire Chris. Chip null and ship no had committed to broad church season three and so they essentially hired. Chris and went back to Stephen Moffatt and said please. We need one more year and he was like all right. And that's why that last year with bill and all that it's it's fun and I like it a lot actually but the previous Christmas episode and all that that was that was supposed to be Stephen Moffatt stepping away and then the end did not let him go. And that's and I imagine it'll be something like that where it'll just kinda come out in dribs and drabs somewhere about like. We'll never really know exactly the truth about it but I do. I'm fascinated to know whether it was this. A course correction was always the plan and if it was a course correction. Why was it made? When was it made but Who cares this was the way whatever I mean I think from the. I think the turning point for me was the dialect episode the resolutions episode. Because I think that was the first the first one that I had no complaints at all about and then since then it's been pretty solid. Well they're coming back because as we saw at the very end credits for this episode dot. The doctor will return in revolution of the DALEKS and that again will be presumably holiday special. They did they did. Shoot it as part of this block and then and they're not going to shoot next season until the fall which means we're looking at a long time Before they come back which is. Don't get me started on that. Their inability to do they want to do ten episodes a year. That's fine but I'd like ten episodes a year not ten episodes and the special every eighteen months which seems to be what they're capable of right now on love that. Don't let that kind of nuts. I didn't know they weren't even shooting until I think so. I don't think they're shooting at the one of the great things that this episode will do. Is it's going to have ripple effects where everybody starts to realize that these assumptions they made about doctor who? Canon now can change We'll see more and more of it as we were sitting here talking. I thought well now. My interpretation of the whole Jon. Pertwee era is that the powers that be a gal afraid decided that they needed the doctor to be an operative again and didn't care that they had promised him that they would you know or her. Promise them that they would wipe their memory and put them back in and let them alone or whatever. They're like no. The doctor was very effective. We'RE GONNA go back there like that color like anything you want to color with these revelations you can do it now which is fun and yes also all of those brain of Morbus images on the screen that were members of the production team or now canonical doctors. So congratulations terrance dicks. Belay terrance dicks. He is the doctor after all and big finish. Get to write an infinite number in filibuster. That's Great I. I loved again so on the nose but I loved that line from the doctrine. This absurd where Jodi yesterday. I've have you ever been limited by who you were before just lights so on the nose but just encapsulates the attitude towards her as the doctor so brilliantly? Joe Martin says that line I think to Jodie whittaker right is no I thought she said it's the master. No I I I think. That's Joe Martin. Jodie whittaker in the Matrix. Have you ever been limited who you were? I don't know you're right. You're right so it's the doctor as Joe Joe Martin's doctor speaking to Jodie whittaker doctor saying you've always been able to be you and that doesn't change because there were more of you than than you thought I was getting. I was getting get mixed up with when Jodie says to master. Yeah you know. It doesn't let me. It makes me more. Yes No. You're absolutely right. And the master is banking on this. Being w live destroyed you write. This information is destroyed. You and she's like no start now. Does actually it's strength and love that so there's a couple of questions so we have whereas the doctor actually from what is the division Which regeneration is roof? And Are we going to see more roof because if if Ruth is pre Hartnell? Dan Jodie whittaker isn't going to regenerate into roof which was one of the theories and also. Where is Jack Harkness? Because like you go in Joan Barone. He did like fifteen minutes. I was expecting a payoff. And that's well I should also. He wouldn't see him the rest of this season and that was accurate. That could be a very legal legally accurate way. Say You won't see him this season. Yeah I do yeah I also have. I'm just going through my mind. Things like Matt Smith being an old man and saying. Oh well I'm not going to regenerate again and then be teaching the time lords to give him extra generations and all that and I'm thinking now they were just there shining on 'cause the doctor can get I assume at this point. What was this series says? Doctor is not a time. Lord and can regenerate infinitely. Yeah so they said they had a little snigger to themselves and said Yeah. Sure you've got another you've got another twelve. Give it a go. I agree with you the questions about whether we're actually see the doctor again. Because if she is pretty hartnell difficult to justify making a series and its spin off blah blah blah. But just the mere fact that she exists in Canon has been on screen and even she only now lives on like the eighth doctor as a Cornucopia of big finish productions. That's still better than not having her. If I ask I had to put money down I would say we will see her again and we will hear much more about the division and the work that the doctor did buddy. We'll see her again as a as a guest in a psychic. Show a multi. Doctor Team up episode. Where you know to ask. Don't do this or whatever and pull in her as anybody. Anybody they want now. Even one of the production crew from brains are mobile. They can come back around. Philip Hinchcliffe can come back in and they can also then they can finally cast hugh grant or whatever and say well. He was one to back actually had to do. Was the whole Tom. Baker's reappearance using an old face. Yes thing line which can tie. It's all Ya yeah. I do think that now the gift that Vegas Waxwork doctor who show runners give to future. Doctor who renters is more open space for them to drop other things if they want to. That's part of their their. Their gift is more empty spaces. That could plausibly be filled with other ret cons in the future. It's great all right. Well I think we've reached the end of this discussion and the season but it was a lot of fun. We are going to do. they'll be a main incomparable series. Wrap episode coming up in a little bit and then the flash cast will return sometime with the revolution of the dialects. Whatever that is they spend. That's what it is. I'm sure it's dollars. Take Spinning classes. Yeah that's right. What if you a time Lord inside a dial? Oh no no but until then Antony Johnston thank you for talking about who is this season. You'll very welcome Jason. Thank you for having me on. This has been. It's been fun to do mainly because this has been overall one of my favorite seasons Tivo sometime. Yeah I I was worried going in but it has been a really fun ride James Thompson as always you for being a part of Dr who talk with me. I'd like to thank you and I'm glad I got to do both hearts of a two point. It's nice and thank you dear listener for being out there and listening to the Doctor. Who FLASH CAST? We appreciate it. It's a lot of fun to do. And it's also a lot because we have to watch the episode right away and we have to talk in that we put in. We put in the work. It's always nice to hear from people that they enjoy listening. So we appreciate you for being here to and I'll be back with another episode at an indeterminate. Time in the future in time and space in the future. Let's say when we will see some dogs but until then goodbye dot com.
Thu. 06/11 - We won't be seeing a Destiny 3 anytime soon and Persona 4 Golden is rumored for release on Steam
"Welcome to the gaming ride home podcast for Thursday June eleven I am Kyle Hilliard. Here's a whole bunch of video game stuff that happened recently. There won't be a destiny three anytime soon. Persona four golden is probably coming to steam Alex Kid is getting remade a new transformers game is on the way and call of duty. Modern warfares latest update is somehow even bigger than it's supposed to be. Bungee outlines destiny twos, upcoming content roadmap, and we probably won't see destiny three anytime soon. Earlier this week, bungee outlined the kind of stuff coming to destiny to all the way into twenty twenty two. Season of arrivals and beyond light expansions. Before the end of the year, the witch queen will arrive next year and light. Fall will becoming in twenty twenty two, and there will also be a destiny content vault that will cycle previous updates in and out of the game. It's frankly impressive. That bungee has as much planned as it does as far in advance as it does, it's not unexpected. I think I've even said it a few times on this podcast, but another update that came as a result of all this is, it seems Bungee does not currently have plans for destiny three. POLYGONS Gilliam reported on the lack of a new numbered entry for destiny and wrote after the announcement on. June, Ninth Game Director Luke Smith jumped onstream with Dr Lupo to talk about destiny twos future in the short Q. and A. Session. Luke Smith told Dr Lupo that Bungee does not plan on making destiny. Three and a new article, detailing the evolving world destiny to the studio wrote that splitting the destiny community was frustrating enough for players that bungee recognizes. It is a mistake. We don't want to repeat by making a destiny three. Polygon had its own chance to talk with Luke Smith and asked him if the name of the game would ever revert to just destiny, and he said at this time. We're going to keep focusing our efforts on the game itself. There are a lot of moving parts for changing the name whether it's work with platforms string files, title screens storefront work. It's a lot of work. There are a bunch of really successful games with twos on the box. One of my favorites, Doda to springs immediately to mind. It's worth noting Luke Smith that as far as I know I don't think Doda to has ever been in a box I could be wrong about that. At this point in the destiny, franchises life cycle realistically. The name does not matter in the slightest people who play the game. Just call destiny and Smith is right. Having to in the title doesn't really hinder it anyway I don't think anyone who is interested in jumping into destiny at this point pauses and thinks they should play the first game before diving in the game. Really should at this point just be called destiny, though it's not really a series anymore. Destiny two is a platform. It would be like if world of warcraft I big expansion was called broad of warcraft two, and the name just stuck as Blizzard updated the game into oblivion. A little odd, but everyone just kinda gets it. Persona. Four golden is rumored becoming to steam. The Persona Series is beloved by many, but mainly it's beloved by my wife, who recently finished her playthrough of Persona, five royal complete with platinum trophy, and in the middle of playing persona five. replaying persona four golden on her vida. It looks like she might not be the only person playing persona four golden, though as it is heavily rumored to becoming to steam. Website Persona Central, dot, com, which as you can imagine is pretty focused on persona. News covered the rumor with author. Reggie writing twitter user at Sabi has reported that a source of theirs has gained access to steam database files, indicating that persona four golden will be released for the PC soon. Twitter User Neto. Mata has corroborated the report stating that the steam. Listing for steam DB unknown, APP one one, one, three, zero, zero zero is apparently the one for persona. Four golden further claims have been made from notable industry insiders at Oreo sixty four, and at Z. Huge X. that the rumors are legitimate among many others corroborating the reports, and that persona four golden will be announced and released on the same day. Furthermore segue support page can be found for a nouveau drm solution error tied to launching persona four golden on the P. C.. Personas Central Dot. COM has other evidence to like persona four Golden. Appearing in steams back end and stuff like that all pointing to the pretty likely scenario that the game is heading to a new platform outside of the Vita. For the first time, the game originally released on playstation two, but Golden, which is an expanded improved version of that original PS. Two game has only ever been available on Vida. If the game comes to steam, which seems highly likely at this point, it will mark a mainline. Persona Games first appearance outside of a playstation platform. Lots of Personas spinoffs have appeared on other platforms, but mainline numbered persona. Games have only ever released on playstation platforms. My hope is that this is the first step towards personify royal coming to switch. That's where I WANNA play. Jian Expo reveals a new Alex Kidd Chivalry for consoles and a lot more. ITN Summer Expo yesterday, which featured all kinds of game, announcements and interviews and different things and there was some cool stuff. Metal Helsingor is a game that looks a lot like doom in that it's a first person shooter that takes place in Hell, but it's all set to music in a strange way, you must fire off your gun and killed demons in time with a metal soundtrack that orchestrates the action. It doesn't look terribly unique. You would be forgiven for confusing it with doom but I don't know that I've ever seen anything that plays like it. It comes from developer, the outsiders a studio that doesn't have any published games yet, but did showcase a really interesting game called dark born about a year ago, that conceptually players in the shoes of a Grendel like monster in a medieval setting. It looked interesting, but the outsiders recently announced that dark born was being shelved, and it looks like it was being shelved in favor of this metal Helsingor also announced was Alex Kidd in Miracle World, DX, which is a game. I find, myself weirdly excited about. Alex Kidd was Sega's Mascot platformer before sonic, the Hedgehog for the any s competitor, these Sega Master System, and this game is a full remake of that I. Nineteen Eighty six Alex Kidd game. It's been about thirty years since there has been anything new Alex Kidd and I'm eager to play the game. If for no other reason than to just help me understand the historical relevance of the character it helps at the game looks pretty sharp to deemed turf was also shown during the show in. It's a game. That's kind of hard to explain. It's a three D platformer, but the thing that makes it unique is. Is the animation protagonist. It's a three D world, but the character moves as a two dimensional object. It's kind of reminiscent of the awful awful BUB, Z.! Three D., but this game actually looks cool. It's from developer for brass, a studio that released a platformer called slime son a few years ago. I also showed mortal shell which I jeans joke. SCRABBLE's described as a souls like created by a team that loves souls likes. And it looks like souls like which I say as a compliment, but it's setting looks a little more dreamlike with weird magical floating platforms in the distance. It looks really cool some other quick hits from the show observer system redux with which is an overhauled version of Bluebird teams cyberpunk mystery game that stars Rutger Hauer, a bunch of Yakuza like dragon game play were shown, which is the next mainline Yakuza game, but the big change for this entry is that the combat is going turn based Borderlands, threes bounty of blood. DLC was shown and it was revealed that the popular online. Medieval combat game chivalry to. To is coming to playstation four and five, and xbox one and xbox series x chivalry to will also have cross play across all its versions, which is really cool. The Internet expressed some general disappointment in the show. As it was hoping for bigger more impactful exclusive reveals which I sort of get considering this is basically three week and Jonesing for massive video game reveals, but I also don't think Aegean over promised at all. It laid out the plans for it show pretty clearly early on, and there was a lot of stuff on display. I am excited to see what the rest of the show looks like. Senna Saga Hell Blade to is being made with unreal five. Microsoft published a blog post rounding up a lot of known information about the XBOX series x yesterday that didn't have a lot of new information, though it did referred the consoles aesthetic design as industrial and bold, but there was at least one small detail that was interesting. It's not particularly surprising to learn that help. Lead to is being built, or rather will be built with unreal five, but outside a fortnight there really have been many confirmations, regarding what gains will use the engine Microsoft wrote in the blog post, the power of the xbox series x was first demonstrated with the unveiling of sensuous Saga help lead to the team will be building the game on unreal. Unreal five and leveraging the power of xbox series x to bring the hell. Blade franchise to levels never before seen the footage shown was captured in engine, and reflects the power of xbox series x available to developers to deliver new universes, experiences and games in ways. You've never imagined. This actually might even be the first non epic game to officially announce. It is using the new unreal five engine. It's not a revelation by any means, but it is interesting. A new transformers game potentially a strategy game is on the way. Band Namco released a very short trailer this morning for a game called transformers battlegrounds, and it showed a small city from an overhead perspective as a battle between various familiar transformers raged in the streets. It's hard to say exactly what kind of game it is, but it doesn't look like an over the shoulder third person action game, which is what the last handful of transformers games have been could be strategy or maybe something kind of Diablo ask. Outright Games is involved potentially as a co publisher or something like that, but outright tends to specialize in games for kids. They were behind the kind of open world RPG. Adventure time of the Caribbean which I thought was actually a pretty interesting game. A leak has revealed nickelodeon Kart Racers, two Grand Prix a target store listing popped up online yesterday for a previously unannounced game called nickelodeon Kart racers two Grand Prix. It's obviously a sequel to Nickelodeon. Kart racers that released in two thousand eighteen, as you might assume by the title, it's a Kart Racer starring various nickelodeon characters. The cover has a weird matchup of modern and classic nickelodeon characters like a Ninja Turtle, but not an institutional based on the design of the Ninja Turtles, show that is currently airing on. There's a cartoon version of Joe. Joe Sihala. There is a loud house character, which is very popular nickelodeon show, and then there's Brennan, stimpy, which are characters that I don't think today's generation of Nickelodeon watchers would recognize I'm surprised. There aren't more Kart Racer. mashups like this, especially considering the success of Mario Kart Eight, but maybe that's the point. Why compete with Mario Kart Eight, considering it's not technically announced yet. It does not have a release date. Call of duty. Modern workers latest update is eighty four gigabytes for some players. It has become a running gag now that call of duty, modern warfare and warzone are going to take up basically all of your hard drive space, and there's nothing you can do about it. The file is huge, and the downloads only bloat the thing even further, but even with all that the most recent update was still surprising. On ps four modern warfare latest update is about thirty two GIGABYTES and on PC. It's about forty five gigabytes, both of which are large, but on xbox one the update is coming in at eighty four gigabytes, which might be the result of bug. The activision support twitter account tweeted where actively investigating an issue for Hashtag modern warfare, where some players on xbox are seeing a larger-than-expected download size for today's update. Stay tuned for updates. It's a bizarre thing, but if you happen to see people on the Internet talking about something being eighty four gigabytes well. Now, you know why. Here's what released today. Project warlock a game. I actually talked about a few days ago is out today on switch. It's an old school. Doom inspired shooter that has a bunch of magic in it along with bullets. Samurai showdown, the twenty nineteen reboot of the Classic Neo Geo Fighting Game. Series is out today on the windows store. It's a solid game as far as I know, but it's. It's not the most exciting release. The game kind of already on pc by way of Stadia. Beyond blue is out today on Xbox, one playstation, four and PC, which is a very pretty game about exploring the ocean, it is a little reminiscent of Asu, another very pretty ocean exploration game, but this one looks a little more realistic, less abstract. It has some really great looking Wales. That's it for gaming news today. Yesterday I reported on Dead Space Writer Antony Johnston's series of tweets teasing something for today's playstation five. Many think. Something to do with dead space which I certainly wanted to be, but I'm thinking. It's probably something new that will be able to boast from the writer of dead space. Maybe by the time you're listening to this, we already know what it is, but pretty much right. After I published yesterday's episode, I was double checking. Show notes links and stuff like that where I had links to Johnston's tweets. And it looks like he deleted them all. All the tweets that were teasing whatever reveal is happening today and we're winking at people about dead space are all gone. So who knows what that's all about? If you have corrections, just feedback in general, feel free to send me tweets or DM's twitter at Kyle Hilliard, or at gaming ride home, or you can send an email to Kylie's ride home dot info. Please consider leaving review for the PODCAST Berbie listened to it. You can also check out my twitter account Kyle impersonator wherein playing through Resident Evil Code Veronica x right now I might have beaten it by the time you're listening to this episode, and you can also find me on the mid Max, show for more long form video game discussion I will talk to you more about video games tomorrow when we will all know a whole lot more about the playstation five and it's many games, I am basically hitting published on this episode, and then heading over to watch the stream I'm really excited about it.
615: Doctor Who S12E6 review: "Praxeus"
"Doc Doc look back to the doctor who flash CAST JASON SNELL back with you here to talk about season. Twelve twelve episodes six practice and joining me from. We're forming two points of a triangle across the globe is Antony Johnston. Hello Hello Jason. I'm so relieved that this was overall a good episode because often last week take off really jealous Erica and Steven got right to the flash past because obviously last was so good in so many years and I was really it because let's be honest. It's not unknown. I was really dreading this week. would be a complete let down by comparison. So I'm very happy it wasn't I mean and I agree with you. We'll get it out of the way right here. I was relieved as well. The same feeling which is Not that I don't have some quibbles with this episode but it was good episode like if that other episode hadn't happened And this was episode five. I would have said look at that like because I haven't loved I love the first you know for you episodes of the season but this one I feel like is almost the archetype I think of what Chris chip no wants doctor who to be which is it looks great. It's globetrotting there's action. There's lots of dialogue. There's lots of. It's actually good. I think funny jokes and there's a and and it is. I think true doctor whose history it has a point which is it's sort of educational and couching the educational aspect of it and they kind kind of social aspect of it in science fiction like all of that. I actually think like yeah. I see what you're going for here and I enjoyed it. I thought it was. The pacing is amazing. Right like the the number of scenes and shots and locations. Even though it's mostly South Africa it's still is locations the by the beach and they're in the city and all of those things like there's a lot in this episode and it moves so fast I really enjoyed it. What some of that gets to one of the very specific the reasons that I liked this episode? which was the in media res- opening but I wish I if you're right that this is more the archetypal all kinds of episode chip? No wants to do. I wish he would. Yeah I really really wish they would because the first twenty twenty eighty five minutes of this episode were almost flawless from only as as so often happens with who it was only when we started to get to the resolution of why this thing was happening and how we were going to solve the problems suddenly it was like then okay. Things started to fall fall apart but up until that point it really was almost flawless. It's so well directed and yeah like I say one of the very specific things that I liked about it. Just just because this really appeals to me and the kind of on just the kind of stories alike but also specifically the kind who are like started completely comedia- res- adventure already happening And so we get to see the companions. 'cause obviously we always see the companions onions in comparison to the doctor and then not as competent as the docks who because who is. That's Kinda the point of it. That's how it works but because we're a step further down the chain as it were and now we get to see the companions through the lens of people who don't even know that doctor. The doctor exists. It's like their own companions right right but they suddenly also appear as if they're highly competent well-informed knowledgeable daring. Aaron do adventurers which was really Nice. Made a nice contrast but also yeah just the fact that barreled through with people going wait. Wait what's going on companions and like Yay. There's this thing going on. We haven't got time to tell you. Yeah it just really that together with the direction which was very horror movie like almost. I'm sure that was deliberately with you. Know because of the kind of episode that it was trying to get across this feeling of dread and and You know impending doom was really successful. I thought I mean absolute all credit so the DP the camera on the director. Everybody involved in that really set the mood. Yeah I agree completely the the way the story gets told they did TAC. There's a moment of the very very very end of last week's episode where there's like. Oh there's a thing it's weird it's happening on three continents we should go do and that it's funny because that basically provides this episode with all the setup you really need and the gap is the boring boring stuff that we don't need to see. which is I'm going to drop you off here and I'm going to drop you off here? The audience will learn that along with all the characters that they find in Peru Madagascar and Hong Kong. And you know whatever that store is where the the the cop on the edges rest is rugby-tackling shoplifters and I just yeah you're right. It puts the companions in a in greater positions. Because they're the they're the doctor they're the positions of authority authority. It uses the fact that there are three companions right like I know. It's sort of Ryan's over here and Graham and Yaser over here but like the splitting them all up and then the doctor's got her mission like I thought that was really good. They mentioned earlier but I want to say it again shooting in South Africa like yes. I I love that Dr that that Black Mirror episode that semi eighties that is literally the same shot the the same mountains. It's in Cape Town right like whatever but it looks so good and it's varied enough on a doctor who budget that this like. We're in we're in Madagascar Asker. We're in Hong Kong. We're in you know in the in Peru were in all these places and like it feels like a globetrotting adventure. Sure in a way that I like doctor who to feel I. I wanted to feel like the doctor can go not just anywhere in time and space but also anywhere on earth and have in this case like because we have a target here and they don't even need to show it like they say doctor. This thing is happening in Peru and she just POPs up and the load people onto the CARDIS. Let's go back to Hong Kong load people off of the artists and the and like I loved it. I kind of love that it ends up being kind of the doctor and the crime solving gang and they keep collecting people as they go and yeah I thought it was. I thought it was really fun. And that the added characters made it that much more fun than that it really like the scenes and locations. And you're right the first half hour basically. I thought this is perfect. This is this is fun and looks great and is taking me on an adventure. And that's what I want from doctor who wasn't Hong Kong. There is no way that that street was it was. It was a narrow street and there was they Hose down the roads. Do when it's night and the roads are hose down because they look better and all that but it was like you know that. Yeah okay. That's fair but that beach each relative. That looked really good beach but what you said about them not explaining non over explaining what was going on the star. Because it's like you say set it up at the start of sorry at the end of the previous episode. That's I mean you know who all too often it does explain probably too much to spend too much time explaining things that we can kind of figure out now some of that. Obviously he's because it is a family. Show you go Barry Mind. They're all going to be young kids. What Jin sometimes you know? Yes you're going to need to sort of help to bring them along for the ride but but at the same time I really appreciate when. Sometimes they don't do that and they're just like yeah you'll figure it out you know you've seen this kind of thing before you've watched the show before we know how it works folks you'll figure it out it's fine and I that helps them create a more mature style of storytelling. The I really appreciate shape and as I understand why they can't do it all the time but when they do do it and the and they pull it off then it really works I think yeah I don't I I don't necessarily need and you're right. Maybe maybe is necessary from time to time but I don't necessarily need the all right. Everybody where where should we go. Why don't we go to this place? Kirk Doc oh here we are everybody. Let's go out. Oh here's a strange person. I wonder what's going on. Oh there's a mystery will be solved and here. None of that is necessary. The mystery is being solved. Everybody is on the case and instead as an audience member I love because it really doesn't make any sense and you're trying to put it together of like wait a second so there's the spaceship and the astronauts texting that he needs help and which doesn't really make any sense but whatever and how does he have a cell phone with him and he's not? There's going to be a twist right that it was that it was a bait that it was lured by the aliens to get for some reason that cop out to Hong Kong. Yeah no maybe there's a dropped scene there where he explains that he tried to escape and stole a phone and then they dragged him back and they didn't want to show him before that but it is never explained but still. It's like the hiker the two bloggers who go to the river in Peru and there's garbage everywhere which again and it's not actually a weird thing that's happening. The garbage is not the aliens the garbage is the humans who have turned this beautiful natural thing into a spoiled location location which is part of the message of this episode. But still it's like what does this mean and then Ryan pops up and meanwhile one of the one of the women is gone and then you know. There's the the the mystery of of the sailor floating face down in the water and Madagascar. And what does that mean. And how and this episode goes really deep where there I had literally no idea I was like. Are you ever going to resolve the story. Because I felt like we got about forty minutes out of fifty with very very little idea of what the resolution was going to be an all the whole time I was thinking to myself. This resolution is going to be really abrupt because they have run out of time and like literally there is a moment where the doctor stands there and we see her thinking which is it can be good but it also can be very spur three after Colin scrapie and ex positional and. I can't decide where this episode falls down but we're she's basically like oh it's plastic caustic. It's like okay and and there's an aunt's reference and she's there's a funny me laugh and it's followed by come on brains move it along and Graham says did she say say brains with slamming. There's that time later when she's when she's like you are only in this episode once we're literally just straight after it's been on but when she's I think at gunpoint from the scientists and she says like Oh wait half off all all that one cycles oh like you say very stagey very theatrical bar this is this is the kind of quality that you look for in adopter. Ada Ask somebody who is going to be playing. That character is somebody who can pull that off. I haven't say doctors do that. They all it's part of the character is part of the show. You've gotta that'd be able to sell that. Yeah that's actually the moment that I was sold on David tennant in his first episode. There's that moment where he tastes the blood on the alien spaceship spaceship and he goes. Oh blood control I remember this. I haven't seen this for years and I was like okay. I believe I believe that. He's the doctor now. Because it's ridiculous Sifi contraption I remember you and and you have to because there is that moment always where the doctor figures it out right and and here it happens. It's Kinda late in the game and I'm not sure all of the clues were there right. Feels a little. It feels like it's just a very rapid reaction but this is one of those things just like I can complain about. I can quibble about this and I got so. We're talking about this episode in the context of our anticipation of our concerns. And all of that I got to this moment and I thought okay. This is pivotal. 'cause this could be the episode that I remember being really great for thirty forty minutes and then having kind of a ridiculous resolution where it was just sort of like and then magically Taylor told it to go away the end and then something funny happened which is i. Don't love the download that happens here but I got through it am I kinda accepted it as like okay. All right like I felt it was handled well enough that the episode isn't nonsensical even though it's kind kind of abrupt and it doesn't take away from the fun of it and so it's it's Kinda hard to describe what exactly that is but it's like I know they need to explain it. I know that's GONNA be download but it was done well enough that I I didn't it didn't prevent me from enjoying the rest of the ride. which is what I was worried about right because that can happen you know? Look from fifty five or Ka Blam last season easiest which are kind of those episodes ECON equivalents for me. Yeah the it just brings the whole thing down whereas I agree with you. It's he could have been better. It wasn't the best list but it was over quickly enough and it was delivered with enough confidence. Those just let you okay. Fine near move onto the next bit and at least I at least this week. Warm browns attempted self sacrifice had a story revolved justified. I mean he was still pretty bad. Biggest biggest fun of it. At least it had a a logical reason behind it that you could go. Yeah Okay I can see why he's new. He has a motivation. Even though it was yet another other characters sacrifice like we saw before and the best. I'm sitting here thinking you can't and they. They were toying with us in the script. But you can't do you really. You have a space his time machine. You should probably try to save that guy. And that's all he was like. Give me one hour. She's got one hour. I'm like you have have a time. Yeah I I had that thought which is wouldn't it be funny and this is actually something that Dr who should probably do the story sometime is I'm GonNa go check on this thing. Well first off. You could just take the there. But I've got to check on this thing I'm GonNa do some investigation. Come back in an hour and the doctor would be like okay and literally step in the box. Flip a switch step back out. It's been an hour. What happened you done yet but but I did get the sense the way this episode is pay so much going on at once? That the idea that we're kind of flipping back and forth although again if you wanted to slow down time as the doctor you could visit every single time frame by backing up a little bit. I guess I don't know it's I don't think about it too hard. It's time travel but but it it did it did I I enjoyed. I enjoyed it and the parts where they kind of resolve the story. Worry about what's going on. I thought was passable and then actually the part that I liked was who sukey ends up being the WHO is an alien like like that reveal actually really worked for me the idea that Oh this all started because aliens who are being infested by this virus Chris that that eats plastic and turns you into an explosion of plastic. Were trying to find a place full of plastic that they could test and they chose Earth because we have plastic everywhere. And I like how it's told where it Kinda comes out at the end kind of like instead of the alien plot being there from in the beginning the alien plot is only realized at the end. And it's not really a plot and and that she she dies but like we figure we figure it out at the end that the aliens with lasers and stuff are not there because they want this to happen there because they caused it to happen and are trying to solve it. I don't know that that part worked for me that it's almost. It's a tragic story that they're they're you know even though they caused it and they could kill the whole planet that they weren't there for you know how evil means they were there because they were trying to find a cure. Yeah eight the only part of that. That didn't work for me. Was the fact that Sukey despite the fact that she's alien who has apparently been on this planet a very very short amount of time acted completely human trouble whatsoever masquerading as having human if she had been a little order. You know if Something or something yeah. This is like the astronauts cellphone his tax. Right it's like Yeah Yeah I was willing to overlook it and enjoy the episode but that was that did rankled me light my first not my first one of my thoughts before we got to that point was hanging a say. So why is she working with the aliens. And of course we're always is because she is an alien but yeah thinking retrospectively logo but hang on. She acted perfectly lucky human. And maybe I misunderstood what was said in the episode but it seems to me like they'd literally actually only been there or here on earth like four less than a month. Yeah I I wasn't entirely clear but like yeah. They ended up crashing in the Indian Ocean and end creating net kind of like plastic base down at the bottom and then trying to escape which is why she was in Madagascar and trying to do this research but how long they'd been there and how they got there since their ship was still underneath the water but she got to bat a gas car teleport so they teleported everything out in order to build this and why they were in Hong Kong. I don't know really explained whichever it doesn't all have to be explained. That wouldn't necessarily good if they had explained it. But it's still like I'm not entirely clear on everything that they were doing and how long she'd been there because yeah it does feel like a different version of doctor who would have started this with the mysterious water treatment facility that had just sprung up and nobody really knew who they were. They had come from but they had gotten approvals and they'd built this weird water treatment facility and behind the doors scientists working go but turns out there aliens and this Dr who is just like. Oh here's Sukey. She's doing water thing. Oh wait she's an alien and talk and you know some of the doctor who shorthand actually works for me me where it's just like. Yeah he you know she's an alien and the the tanks have I actually don't think this was in the dialogue but the way I I read it in my head cannon is they spread the virus in the atmosphere and so then they use the same system to spread the antidote goat in the atmosphere and it was being transmitted via the birds. Was it. Yeah I don't know I mean it's awfully convenient that you can just fire a virus antidote of your rocket engines and have it work so I I I was trying to make that make a little more sense but again it's just the big. It's just a a big gesture it's okay let's see what else I just realized the the assistant the Guy Not Augusta. Did we see often go to Tom. No no in fact I was going to say one of my biggest objections to this episode. Is We meet this very nice guy who's working with Sukey in Madagascar. He a a Graham comes in and says oh the guy. I don't remember his name. He's out there. He just said the birds are really looking bad and then he gets attacked by the birds and falls down and as far as we can tell is murdered by the birds and not only do we not only do we never see him again. Nobody says anything anything about him and that and again I'm not gonna I'm not gonNA lean into this too much but it is also another another person of color that this show has kind of brutally murdered and then in this case completely ignored his death and I don't it doesn't make me feel real comfortable. That was was the case and I don't know if there was something that was cut the moment I wanted and I unfortunately didn't get because he was running toward a boat that was overturned. The moment I wanted at the end was when they were back on that beach I wanted him to crawl out of the boat and be like me. Is Everything. Okay now. We fixed it. It's fine. He's like oh I've been. There are a lot of birds. Folks have been good what I was expecting because they made such a big deal about the water filtration and he's been living. There presumably drinking that water right while they were there so I expect to the reveal to be five minutes later that he was fine. He's immediately from the birds or whatever will will or just. They didn't attack him because he's got no plunged blasted him. Yeah yeah that's also would not surprise me if all of that was in an earlier draft and got cut out because that did seem to be where they were going with him is that is that the that water was filtered and therefore all the water being output by that plant had no no micro plastic in it and therefore they were going to be immune or something and then it just sort of didn't happen anyway. Yeah that was really weird because he dies horribly and it's never mentioned like as far as we can tell he died. Who knows maybe he just laughed? He said you stupid. Maybe I'm out of here. But it's never he's just attack soldiers. I'm off yeah. Yeah that was something that I just thought of talking about. The you know the lack of explanation and not feeling the need to explain everything. It reminded me of something that we've all talked about in in recent years a lot. Which is the tendency of Superhero movies to keep showing you? The origin and audiences industry specially constantly. We don't need to see Batmans origin again. We don't need to see spider man's origin again. We get it we know. And you know the the star this episode Kinda had that same. It's okay. We understand how this works. Fats and this may be regarded as heresy. But what actually reminded me always blink in that same kind of blink. You know when it starts. It's not about the doctor. It's not about the companions. It's about somebody we've never met before and clearly something has already gone and this character is to kind of wander around and figure out exactly what is happening ripe themselves. Obviously it's very different in terms of detail in execution but it has that same idea. Obviously that is fantastic episode. So yeah I think something that. I think they could stem to do more I. I'll tell you as much as they spend and on Ryan as a humor. You know as a comic character withholding the doctor until the end when Brian appears in Peru. Its like O.. Rien here oh it's going to be okay. They're on the case going to be okay. Yeah and it's like Ryan is like barely got it together but it's it's a sign that the that they're on the case and then and then we get Graham in Yeah's and then we finally get the doctor. I think it's really effective to have everybody. You know we're very slowly working up to the doctor and we're we're letting everybody else figure it out and again we know that don't just come in Dallas the title a little show. Yeah it's like it's going to happen so you you can tease out a little. Yeah but yeah I agree having Ryan be the light. The first breath of relief leaf made for a nice change. Remember he he works. That was so this is the thing I wanted to hear this. A really funny episode like there are a lot of good joke that place. We could end up a long list. That's amazing right now with the I will say you know. Mainstream media media makes fun of blogs and podcasts and youtubers and things like that I really liked so Gabriella and her friend Jamila who is horribly. You know killed by plastic monster. They're the two girls roaming blog which is funny and I would imagine there influencers. And they've made a lot of money and they've been able to travel all the world doing these blogs logs but what is also funny is Gabriella. Spins the rest of the episode Jess shocked that. Nobody's ever heard of her roach. Which I think? That's exactly the right way to placing this. It's like not not that bloggers are youtubers are dumb or bad or anything like that. Because they're not in a very popular but that they're popular in this group and these people are over there like Ryan says I've been traveling myself and so they've they've missed it but she's like really you haven't seen this and then they and then the humor humor turns on her when they're they're doing the blind teleport to wherever that one creature teleported and she says come on two girls roaming. She's like Okay I'll do it that so. That's a WHO plays Gabriela by the way join a border if that is how you pronounce the name probably mangled the horribly is Portuguese If you're wondering why her accent was a bit strange because I kept trying to think is she. Is She European putting on an American accent or is she American trying to sound European. It was really turns out. She's Portuguese so that explains up some other things that were in this episode. The talking talking cat bit was great where the doctors listing weird things that are happening and she says there's also a talking cat in Ontario but I'm ruling him out for now and that was funny but much funnier or is later where she says I I regret that I didn't spend more time on this. I really got distracted by that cat. Too much time folks think again because that's just a peak into the mind of the doctor where things are very strange you. You don't want to go down there and it's like the talking cat not related to this something else. You're right. It was funny. I mean I think it's a really good example of how so you can be funny and you can have humor Both character based and just cheer gags in something like doctor who without taking away again because the first thirty minutes of these plays like a horror movie and does it really really well and yet there are also these very very funny moments interspersed throughout allows. You can do those things. You can't balance it out. Now what is the matter with you. People haven't heard of her. I WanNa Jake. Who is the COP? He's a cop on the edge former COP put on Brown says straight up trope writes the COP who's been you know something happened. And now he's been put on leave and and and what we discover and he can't stop being a cop so he tackles the kid who shoplifted in the store. Tell you you're gonNA say something about the actor. Is this another actor who I don't recognize I was GONNA say people might recognize him as the Effectively sidekick the coast of Luther. The address elders. Okay now he's also an ex ex. He's genuine ex boxer. He's he's a proper rough guy. Yeah but yeah very good actor. Yeah so he's playing the cop edge type but what we find out is that he is the husband of the astronaut. who was coming down in the Soyuz capsule at the very beginning of the episode and gets that mysterious text that we don't really understand from in Hong Kong and comes and gets him and that first thing I'm like okay cop on the edge? Got It but again talk about the and historians of being a a very good emotional arc and an emotional part of this episode but he is also used effectively for comedy. So there's that moment where he meets the as Graham and he's trying to kick down the door and they're like we gotta we gotta key so we'll let you in and then later another funny bid is Graham has the phone upside down and so he says they're right through this. The Alien Tech is right through this wall and then yes turns it around. He goes right through. This door among us has not had misread the iphone. Ah Compass but then it can't get in and again good callback. He kicks this door down. I can do this. That's my. That's my job I kick living goes goes chat chat chat. Yep Yeah that was that was really great and then there's a moment when they're rescuing his husband the astronaut where there's like you're a copper and he says he's an ex copper. Can we not do this now. Like being shot at lasers yeah. Elliot's Blazers we. Ah Fight Right now and obviously it ends up being that there's a there's some nice character moments later when we find out their relationship is complicated. Aided and there's some self analysis on the part of our cop on the edge jake who says you know my husband being this responsible astronaut. It's kind of you know he's had questions about himself himself and like maybe I need to be you know. I can't live up to that and and he has a conversation with Graham. Where Graham Graham sometimes as a good therapist where he says you know maybe Maybe the problem is not with him but with you. It's good and this is one and I know because I goes some stick for this when it was first but this is one of the reasons why Bradley Walsh is was such a good choice for this. And he's and he's character is such a good choice for this group of characters within the cost. You say you've got to remember that. Dr Who over here is a family show. Yeah tire families sit down and watch it together and that includes dads that includes the you know. They used to be a joke. In classic who there was the joke about the glamorous assistance they're basically the data Leila Leila's Leather Bikini was to entertain the dads so they weren't bored while the kids were watching. Donahue do now obviously that's not the case with new but nevertheless Dr sitting there watching it with their kids and the conversation the those characters have about this idea of feeling like along not actually worthy of this person's love they must be of email and they can't possibly love me as much as they say say they do is a conversation. The middle aged men do not really have with one another you know. He's not really sort of common topic of conversation. Asian but it is something as we all know deep down many of us feel at various times our lives about various loved ones of us so this is the one of the values of having this character. There is that he can act like a proxy for those members of the audience. You know I I would be willing to wager money. The there were more than a few middle-aged DADS watching this episode today and kind of thinking. Think I feel that sometimes. But I've never been able to articulate it and that's valuable you know I think Graham Graham is is a great character and I think it was a great choice to have them because we in in doctor who stories as well. We very rarely have. The doctor can dispense wisdom as is an alien whose thousands of years old but to have an older companion is extremely rare extremely rare. And we've we've got two young companions who can do all the running in the jumping but he adds something not only has throughout the two seasons. He doesn't doesn't accept everything. The DOC says at face value also calls her doc which I love and and challenges her from time to time but also In situations like these right he I mean because it comes up earlier too about the he was a cancer patient. 'cause he's like Oh. I know the medical stuff I had had to learn that when I was a cancer patient he basically says and so now at least I can put it to some good use. And that's another little part of historic. I like I like having him. He is not the kind of doctor who companion. We usually Z.. And he can handle moments like this and I I like this. I think these are in a in a manic episode about aliens turning people into plastic Dick and stuff like that to take time with these characters who are themselves archetypes right. It is the edgy cop. WHO's out of control control and the astronaut hero and say well they're married and their relationship is fraught because the cop thinks he's not worth you know he doesn't deserve serve him and then have him sit down with Graham and have a talk about it like they? They made the space for it. And I like it I really do. Yeah another thing. I like about the character as you say is the. He doesn't always accept everything. The DOC says at face value right but he's also willing to to accept the outlandish. He's not short. You know stuck in his ways and not sort of fuddy-duddy I suppose for want of a better description And again you know. That's kind of as the character insertion guy for viewer insertion character. Sorry I should. I'd say four. The you know the middle aged guys watching this with their families. That's an important role for him to play. I think he pulls it off really really well but let's also also let's not focus too much on the lake. I was GonNa say let you heard here. I folks middle aged white men say middle aged white man on doctor who is great. Yeah Yeah but you know as you said the other companions in this episode. Were also really good. I really liked the fact that yeahs got to go do some stuff by herself of Abbey competent and brave and daring. Because I feel like sometimes her character is Kinda held back by the right as they feel sometimes if they don't in quite know what to do and so. I really liked the fact that this episode her character effectively just grabbed the situation by the throat. And we know I'm going to do this. Google off do whatever you need to do but this is what we need to do and I'm going to do it by myself and it'll be fine. I can't decide whether they see. They don't know what to do with yes or whether they're so excited with the other other toys that they can play with because he has is the young woman companion yet. She's she is the most typical doctor who companion among the three of them and sometimes I wonder if as a result. It's not as fun to have do things than it is to have Graham and Brian do things and so. I've been watching this because it's assumed that she's competent because she's an ex-cop and because we've done and we've done stories about that character before but Ryan is different and Graham is different so we can use them. I mean I know that there's three companions. It's going to be hard to find time but this has been a thing that lots of us have talked about over the last season and a half which is yes it is a cop. She's very competent a lot of times. It doesn't feel like she has anything to do so in this episode. She has a lot to do. She shows her cop skills to which I really liked she. She wants to stop. She stops everybody's running in the Tartus and she's like you know there's there's gadgets and stuff in that room and we didn't properly investigate it. I want to go back there and the dog seems to be important valuable. Yeah and the doctors and then she lets she lets. She's like yeah okay. You know I'll we'll you know you you should check it out and Gabriella comes along which I enjoyed. Because she's like I want to hurt somebody because her friend got killed by whatever this thing was and so she's mad she's like we'll come along and and then she gets the you know they they do that investigation and they. She presses the teleport button and she goes to what she's disappointed is not an alien planet but just under the sea but still it's pretty cool and stuff to do and I agree. I really liked that. That was another funny moment. Like what are you face for. Thought a discovered an alien planet. Yeah Oh by the way just miles underneath the Indian Ocean never mind that another great line right around in there as where. This is a Grandma again which is. Excuse me inspector Morris but I ain't the fantasist around here I wrote the whole thing down. It's just really funny. Just yeah okay. Yeah yes some really some really good Right at the start so again. I only watched this episode once birds. You Hear Mission Control talking to the The national was Adam. Adam as. He's coming in. You know sort sort of a crash landing effectively from the ISS and you hear Mission Control tells him to give him a couple of instructions and it's clearly an American voice and I eh. Maybe I'm wrong but I could swear the. That was minds completely blank. Captain Jack it did sound and a lot like him. Didn't it and really halfway through wait. I recognize this voice and then I forgot his name. I can't believe how John Berryman Joan John Baron. Yes yes I halfway through you. Wait a second thorough John Byron then the line was so short the by the time kind of formulated. That thought the line was gone so I couldn't then listen to it no more so unless it's revealed later this season astronaut Adam was on a secret mission for Jack Harkness But I I thought that was weird choice. Given given the Jesse didn't yes. It wasn't clear that he was coming from the and so I thought we as he a spaceman light working working with counting Soyuz capsule. And there's there's surreal eq on the controls as well as as well as Roman characters and this is the thing that I thought was funny as I. I thought it was a weird choice that they had an American radioing him and not somebody with a Russian accent which is which I thought would have been more effective since. It's a Soyuz capsule all that to say like well no. They're going to talk to him from the the Roscosmos Mission Control and not the NASA or and also. They say that he's with with with ISA but they didn't have a European voice. I think in the end they just wanted it to be very apollo thirteen and so they want an American on the line but I would have made it a Russian because it's a Russian capsule they they are claiming that that's a Soyuz capsule so that's also partly why I wondered if it was John Barrowman because like like he was there. They had him genuine. Somebody who actually has that accident by here. We are the conspiracy corner. You can just started now. That Adam Adam was actually being guided on a mission by captain. Jack really wonder if it just came down to convenience while you. Hey John could you do a quick voice Texas accent for us that will put on. Can you do your best mission control. So overall after of the momentous episode last time this is a standalone episode. But it was fun. Yeah yeah he was worthy of being a follow up to without momentous episode. You know as you said at the top there is you've got a you come into an absurdly is thinking. Oh it's going to be a letdown after last week because that yeah that does atten Let's not pretend that it's never happened before but actually no. I was really pleasantly surprises. Not Not perfect by any means but pretty damn good and yeah The first twenty twenty five minutes were like I said before almost flawless for me just if if they could have sustained that throughout the whole episode then it would would have quickly become one of like with blink to draw not again you know. Blink does main managed to maintain that throughout the entire episode. And that is why. It's such a beloved and provide episode that in quite reach those heights with this one but I did a pretty good job. Yeah I agree. I was a fun episode. You know there are things you could pick apart in terms of the story but on one level what you want from doctor. Who is you want a fun adventure and I would take more episodes like this? Honestly that our you know again globe spanning quick picking up people along the way Gr- running into the Tartus running back out of the Like all fun like fun. And and there is appoint to it about about plastics and the plastic patches in the oceans and all those things are there but it's also just a fun adventure romp and I'm okay with that like that. It not every episode can be. What last week's episode was But if your average doctor who episode is just it was a fun adventure story that entertain me like that's great. That's that's what I want because what I don't want is an episode where I'm like. This is kind of boring and now I'm Kinda angry and that happens has happened a little bit too much the last couple of seasons. Yeah I mean if every monster of the week episode was this good I would be very very happy indeed exactly because you say they can't all be big sweeping story arc episodes because then you get the latest seasons of the x files where it's yeah bored with a no too much too much. Yeah you gotta a have. That's the nature of this show. You've gotTa have these monster of the week episodes and that's fine but there's no I mean there's no excuse. Maybe that's a little harsh Josh on the on the program makers but really when you have this much time and this March budget and this much of the BBC basically behind you you. I know this much autonomy to really shouldn't be any duff episode. You're only making ten episode season. This is not some network show we twenty three episodes and and you've got to take into account Halloween and Thanksgiving New Year. And you know this is ten episodes that have do not have to touch on current events. That don't half after they do. You know that's juvenile is choice. But they don't have to You have an entire year to make them you have a stellar cast. You have one of the best doctors optus of recent times my mind Jodi whiskas just continues to impress in astound me with every episode. This really shouldn't be any duff. Episodes led the fight. The depths as like Kabbalah no from fifty five exist. I regard as you know a bit of a stain on a not. The other show runners and produces in the past have also had duff episodes and duff stories like those. I'm not trying to single chip. Now lives but it is baffling fooling to me that you can have this much like I say control autonomy and budget within the BBC and yet somehow still produce a clunker every preseason. It's I don't understand it. Yep same but luckily this wasn't one of a fortunately for us. We got an entertaining fun while Antony. Thank you so much for joining me from sort of near Pendle Hill where there may or may not be witches right. Yes definitely all not thick forest and and I still don't know where that third point in our alien triangle is but I guess it didn't really matter for the story the episode so it doesn't matter And thanks everybody out there for listening to this episode of the doctor who flash cast. We'll be back next week. 'cause the episodes just keep on coming but until then thank you once again. Goodbye gone
676: The Mandalorian S2E4 Review: "Chapter 12: The Siege"
"The belgian hunting is a complicated profession. Which is why we're here to discuss the mandalorian. My name is dan morin. This is a complicate profession. The show were recap the mandalorian. Currently airing on disney. Plus every week. I invited different guests on with me to discuss this week's episode and here with me. Today is my very good friend. Author and podcasters antony. Johnston welcome to the show. Antony thank you for having me down so this is my first time on it. I think isn't it. Yeah i. I've had no repeat guests so far. So i'm noah right yeah There may be may be one come in later in the season. But i've been trying to get as many different people on as possible. Because i like i like hearing everybody's everyone's excited never like hearing everybody's different opinions about it. He speaks to the popularity of this show as well like this show seems to have much broader appeal than than other some other elements of the star wars canada. Here we say considering the just little small scale and hyperfocused show. He's kinda surprising. I think that's a big reason why it's so successful. Honestly like you know. We've seen the big huge like epochs spanning tales right and like as much as that's associated with star wars and people like those things. I think people also craved this idea of poking into the further recesses of the universe right like big universe and there's a there's all these interesting pockets that we can explore so i think that is a big part of the appeal of show and and since you've already sort of delved into it again talk a little bit for your you about like what you've loved about the show her. What's excited you or what have you. The floor is yours. Well yeah. I mean i i do enjoy the show. A lot and part of the reason for that is like i'm i'm an old school star wars fan. I'm an old snell. Was if i saw the original trilogy in the theaters i am. I describe myself as a mom big fan. But i'm not a comprehensive Like you know. I don't read the tie in novelization intend to read the comic books I've never seen clone wars. I've only seen season one of rebels. That sort of thing. So i know star wars you know. I know how to spell wolke correctly. I know at the end of the show. Just so you know. I know who are soaker is for example. You know but not in a kind of i can tell you everything about the character. One for example. I'd never heard of boca tom right for last week. I had no idea until everybody started discussing your online that she was a character who existed in the canon. So that's the kind of of fan. I am like i say you know big fan. But don't know everything but one of the ways in which that funding money fasted was in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven so ten years after the original release of what we now know his episode four west end games released the first star wars roleplaying game Which i love for many reasons not least of h. I've got i've got a job. You're reading your book on my game. Any great systems. I love how the system the game system you know. Sort of works to evoke the feeling of stalls. All that sort of nerdiness aside one of the things that i loved about it and the my main my friends all loved about it was the wasn't about high-powered luke skywalker style djeddai. Saving the universe. It was about the outer rims. It was about the rogue traders. It was about the bounty hunters and the down and dirty people hill. Living on the edge is who weren't actually that involved in all the big mythic stuff and that really appealed to us an appeal to me. And that's what. I love about the mandalorian. As you said the star it is that kind of those pockets of it is absolutely star wars. You know you only have to look. I mean regardless of the the main character. obviously he looks a bit like baba anybody's going to recognize that. But even if you take that away its instantly. Recognizable star wars. The production design the costumes vehicles. The way it's shot everything about it is clearly star wars and yet eighty s a kind of star wars. The if you only know the cinematic movies you will never have really seen before. And i think that's really commendable the fact that they've managed to strike that balance so well is really impressive. and also. Yes this hyper focus. That i mentioned at the start means that they can focus on the character's yeah much more so than the cinematic movies. You can get much much deeper into the character's make the more complex and involved and again. I think that's a large part of why this show has been successful because you can do that in a tv series that you can't do it in one thousand nine minute or two hour movie. Yeah also space westerns. It's kind of a sub-genre now it's got. its own. feel and people kind of know what they are and when you combine that with the lone wolf and cub al-marj of mando and the child it's It just seems winning formula. And they're doing it right. Yeah i mean that's the other thing they clearly doing it with love and affection but also a great deal of skill storytelling skill. that isn't sort of frittered away. So yeah. I'm yeah big. That's that's an interesting point. I think that's something that's engineer. Look at is like there's clearly a lot of things that we've seen in the past that have been made by people who are star wars fans me in an inside and outside of the star wars canon itself and a lot of times. You'll see stuff where it's like well. That was clearly made by people who love this but like maybe they didn't quite execute really. Well that will like you know. I would argue some of the executions of the The newest trilogy are solid but like they lose a little bit of some of the affection whereas this show really does hit that diagram point of like people who are love and are passionate about that original trilogy especially and people who are really fantastic if this kind of storytelling run hard. It's a hard needle the thread there. But i think they do a great job at it. And i'm intrigued to mention like not being a comprehensive fan you know about some of the histories of some of these characters but it doesn't seem like that's necessarily negatively impacted your enjoyment or your buy in on the story. You're like oh. I didn't know book time was the person but like it didn't matter really like everything you needed to know about that. Exchange sort of contained within that and if their stuff around that it's you know it adds maybe some depth and richness of people who already know about it but i don't think it takes away anything if you don't exactly and that as pau striking that balance and having been involved in that sort of thing with trans media for video games and stuff myself by ease a really hard balance to strike right where something is as you say. makes enough quarterbacks and has an preferences that the the biggest funds will go ha ha. I recognize that anita in richie's my experience but the more casual fans or the people who just don't read all that stuff constitional get as you say everything they need to enjoy that part of the story from it. And that's exactly how. I felt about Last episode in the sabre stuff. Why i didn't know that was the thing because i have never haven't watched rebels. I think it is far enough. So i had no idea that. The saber was a thing. When he came out of the tie. Fighter at the indices and walnut. What the hell is that but it just tool right like oh man. That's awesome like you ruined it for me. Just like oh. Wow he's got some kind of weird lightsaber. What the hell is going on here. Yeah no i think that was a great way of leaving the the end of that first hanging all right. Well let's step through this week's episode of bit and we'll talk about it. Because i think there are some good examples in here of like. Oh maggio's that don't necessarily detract do provide like little fun tidbits for people So this week's episode chapter twelve the siege and we opened with the razor crests. Still kind of floating around in space having some trouble. nice cameo. here. From the falcons failing hyper drive down from empire as they can't quite get missed the oldest right at the beginning. It's got the men does trying to get stuff working and he's got. He's enlisted. baby. Yoda into a tiny crawlspace to connect some wires which is not going very well in a scene that i thought was pretty hilarious. Actually as he tries to know the rep. Put the red one where the blue one went and baby just like wires like maybe. You should have jelly. Slums them together. Don't don't don't get it. My my wife commented something about child. Labor laws early. I mean is it labor. He's just to help out one of the things that i do like about the relationship between monday and the child as the eighties like if you have been an adult around children and especially if you've been around other adults who don't know how to deal with small children lie it rings true you know here is a guy who has no idea how to deal with a baby and you can tell because he's clearly he's trying to do too much in talking to it as if it's an adult and expecting it to react in the same way and of course it doesn't and you know it's all funny but it is also kind of i don't say true to life necessarily because i might be a bit more credit than it deserves but you know what i mean. The relationship rings true. Yeah i mean you can see does thought process right and where he comes from. He was like well. I need to get into that place. What do i have that small. Yeah i have a baby know anybody else would be like. You can't put a baby in there and he's just like this. This this round peg fits in this round hole. Seems like it makes sense to me but not only that. But you can't expect to put a baby in there. I have stunned wanting to do. And not electrocute itself. But i do. I do love how everything install was in this series again. Because it's of our two room series. Everything you so old Jury rigged and it makes no logical send but is one of the things. I've always loved about always how beat up. Everything is arafat. you've got these things. These tin cans. That look like they're welded together. You know in the back of a show and yet they travel faster than light speeds tight. It makes no sense but it feels great. You made the production designer early on. And i think that's one of the things i love. The most about this show is that it really buys into that nineteen seventies production valid. Because i remember thinking when the prequels came out as a teenager like oh man like how are they going to change the technology so weird because like the technology then looked old but now we're telling stories that were before that yet our technology in the world we live in is now so much better than that that. It's gonna look weird but i feel like this show just leans so hard into like you've got buttons with lights on them occasionally other displays. That are a little more sophisticated computer graphics wise but like look so similar in so consistent with everything that we have seen from those original trilogy like it just they just really really love that. Look in that design clearly and that comes up later said with targeting computers. We all know what a star wars targeting computer looks like by now. But when you stop to think about it for even a moment you like. This is the worst this. Yeah so the mandalorian the child or sort of convening after failing to get the ship working. They're having their little separate drinks. I really love the scene. Because it's a short scene in kind of a minor thing but like so the mandalorian tips. His helmet a couple of times to take to take a drink. And we've all had this comment through the entire series. Like how does he eat. How does he drink like does he. How far can you go with the not taking the helmet off thing and what i enjoyed about this was it shows kind of literally again. I think i use this expression last week but like it's literally like a crack in his armor and i wondered if some of this is the the input and the feelings. He's you know. After his experience with boca kettani of their mandalorian like starting to erode some of his confidence in his creed and like while those were mandalorian. They took their helmets off until like the slightest bit of like i. It's just me. And the child i can just take it off a little bit. Like no one's around. No one's going to see that. I have broken my. Don't take the helmet off thing. And i thought that was an interesting little moved there and don't forget we did see them. Take it off at the end of the first season. well there. Yeah they were loophole. Yeah right right exactly even before boquets on the were already clearly thoughts about you know how to sort of get around this. It is interesting. One of the things i really liked about the scene though apart from the it is just a nice little character seen on again. That's talking about the balanced the quality of storytelling. There's a lot of filmmakers that would have cut that and go now. We don't need that unnecessary button. It is necessary but one of the things about it was the sound designer. Like you can hear. Little sal when he takes office jones when he's like his and when he puts it back down again you can hear click into place just little things in the signed is online. Absolutely it's great for me again like you know so easy to overlook but not the attention to detail. There is is excellent. yeah i agree So there's no way they're making it to their destination and instead they're going to have to make pit stop and go back to navarro and see some friends. Meanwhile on navarro we see the remains of the mandalorian covert which is apparently been taken over by a bunch of thugs who are fighting amongst themselves over some shares of your stolen goods and there's a little space weasel that they're going to eat. I completely misunderstood this scene. I literally watched it twice and both times completely misunderstood what it was. I thought that they were raiding. The armor is Dan not that they had taken it up as their hideout and it wasn't until i actually looked up. This episode on wikipedia realized. Oh that's what they were doing. I got the impression most was gone. Already it's unclear. What we don't entirely know is. How long has elapsed since the navarro. Yeah they're kind of a lot has changed as we see when the mandalorian shows up what we get. This scene is a fun. Fight scene with kara dune who is now. Apparently the martial on navarro and she comes in and sort of sweeps them up quite handily in a good martial arts sequence. There's a great bit where she like rolls backwards guy and then use as a shield and then throws him at one of the other thugs which is pretty nice and at the end she sort of gathered up all the goods and she says you know we have to return these essentially to the people who lost them so and then she goes. I say saves. it's not clear yet. It's not clear. How much time lapsed. it's like. It feels like it's probably not fully a year and yet it's clearly more than just a few weeks right. The initial fight just made me laugh because again. He's one of those things that does not make any sense about the star wars universe but you just kind of roll with it. I mean i will not easy to cut to. The chase is just the lack of emphasis with the lack of use of blasters light i will happily watch gina carano. Beat up on duda. i mean. Let's be clear. I would watch accra. What paint dry all day long but given the choice watch a beat up on dudes but like why. Go in with fists. Why not just everyone. It's such a strange does not know why because they want to reemphasize that she is very physical character very capable character. But like i say again you think about if more than what and she just seeped everyone she does what she ends up doing anyway. End up getting shot. Yes i kind of feel like. She's looking for a challenge. Like that to me is the way i read that characters like this is not. This is just sweeping up some thugs. I do this in my sleep. But i'm looking at workout or something but yes you're right. It's not the most effective way of doing it. But it once again demonstrate how capable she is. The razor crest lands back navarro. It's looking extremely rickety The ramp doesn't even go down all the way down touch and so he's by grief. Car and carry dune ant basically gets grief to agree to fix up the ship with his best people. I love in the scene. How much carl weathers loves. The child is my favorite burning grandparents. It's so good he's been taking good care of you hasn't he and i mean this is the whole bond. They got at the end of last season when he healed him. Like at that point you could tell he's like oh i will die for this child now and i. I love that ship. it's fantastic. We have two of the crew members like ground fixing it up and we get a suspicious. Lingering shot on one of them so obvious trouble so that i'm going to this is where i have a sort of italian because that character is a mimbo knees character They've been seen in a couple other places i guess. They were supposedly foreseen in solo. Although it may have been a scene that was cut. It's the same. Were solo is fighting when he first joins the empire and we see him on the mud planet. I think that's mim von. And they're mentioned. I think in a couple of places. However mihm bum first appeared in the classic star. Wars novel splinter. Of the mind's eye back in seventy eight written by alan dean foster on i think. That's the planet that luke and leia goto an pleading with earth vader over a crystal of some kind so it has been many many years since i read splinter. It's not a great book. I'm just gonna say that it's it's the suffers mainly from the fact that it was written like basically directly after the first movie and thus had no knowledge of anything that was coming so like part of that plays up like lucan layer romance and stuff like that. And it's like. Ooh but it's been many since i read that we should probably as the date. We're recording you know events this week. We probably talk about the allen. Dean foster novelization scituate. Yeah yeah mccheese really kind of. He's been bubbling under people. Have known that it's been bubbling under for awhile but it really exploded into the fund them consciousness as it were this week. Yeah yeah so this. Is this issue where disney obviously acquired lucasfilm with had been the original company to Contract these novelization out. Now dean foster had written both this winter of the mind's eye as well as the original novelization of the film star wars Back in nineteen seventy seven And the issue at stake here seems to be disney claiming that it doesn't have to pay allen dean foster any royalties despite the fact that it's still selling these books which every person in you and i are both authors and have dealt with many of our fair share of contracts and we kind of are scratching. Our heads going like. That's not how anything works like. If you've contacted a person to write the book the deal is you. Pay them for writing that book. Well and so. I've seen some people online suggest the speculate too that maybe this is one of those work for hire contracts. That doesn't pay royalties. It's just a straight fee. Buyout and the previously lucasfilm did pay royalties to keep allen dean foster sweet but now disney of decided that they're not going to do that anymore and that would be plausible in terms of like those contracts do exist there are contracts like that i'm sort of royalty like payments are made on a voluntary basis. Just for reason or another to keep an all suite or something boss. If that was the case there is no way that foster and his lawyers victims of america and their lawyers would be fighting this so high. They would lose that right. Yeah exactly you know because they would look at the contract and go well. They're not actually obligated to buy you. they have been. That's not a new contract. Therefore you can't win this and disney media disney's may be somewhat sprees claim that they acquired the rights. But not the obligations. Which is i. Don't not even a sentence that quite parsons with me. I'm not sure what you're making their. It makes no sense and that also puts the light to. They are admitting that there are obligated to pay royalties. And and and it's it's particularly perplexing because you know obviously these books have been in print for more than forty years and again and it's like guys disney's making billions of dollars. How much allen. Dean foster royalties. Even if you generalize to all of the people is decided maybe not to royalties to really. How much could this be like. It seems very very miserly. And that's i think the thing that's that's very upsetting. I sorta described online by. Someone is a penny wise. I'm very very pound foolish. I think that's absolutely true. The amount of money and you can you can understand that somebody might look at. It can go well if you extrapolate these i. We could actually save millions of dollars every night raw but you disney. Yeah like millions of dollars is a rounding error plus the jeopardy. You're putting on all future relationships with creatives right like not only star wars but marvel and fox. All these things would licensed properties presumably. You want to hire people to write for those things and let's be honest. It's not like you're hiring them as salaried individuals. They are contractors. They're going to want to get paid for stuff in you know there even if they don't have a royalty structure like they want to believe that you're as good as your word end like that's risky. It's risky it really erodes trust. Yeah so. I don't see how disney comes out of this. I don't see how they can win. And i don't see how they can possibly come out of it. Looking good in terms appear very long back. i think that's that's the only way out of it and even then they're gonna take some black for it anyway so bs. Suspicious dude is a same suspicious immediately. Navarro has become a hip hop happen. Place there's lots of commerce in the streets. Everything looks much more bright and colorful than the last several times. We are here when everything was very gray and subdued. They have a conversation about how the manda ship got shot up. The new republican grief. Cargo thinks the new republic should stay out of the room. Because even the empire couldn't really deal with it go to what was i believe. The bar That they used to meet in and it's now a school where a protocol droid is teaching a bunch of children It's the ball. Go up at the end of one. Which i think was sort of the cargo like meeting place in unofficial office. Grief leaves the child there which causes a lot of whispering amongst the other kids And i noted my my wife. And i both notice there is a. There's a girl about halfway back. That has the same Basically raise hairstyle with like great thing which i thought was. I thought that was cool just because i you know. I'm not suggesting that's rate. It's clearly not but the idea of like certain things you know. Fashions for example transcend different worlds. I like that the and stealing that fellow kids cookies cookies or whatever. They were like macaroni. Yeah yeah was just again inevitable. The minute that i saw them. There's a lot he's going to use force to steal the not. Obviously it's still legance scene. It's well paced. it's got some funniness to it whereas you know the kid doesn't wanna share as cookies and then all of a sudden the cookies are on maybe his desk and very happily crunching away at them. One of the things. I liked about this as well was the commitment so the lack of pen and paper in the stall was universe which is something that has been you know dixon within the star. Wars universe since the first trilogy And you know in school of all places. If you were going to break that rule then this would be where you do it. Surely and even here they like. No everybody's got a little electric tablet. There is no paper in the star wars universe with sticking with. There's another great bit of that later. Where character is using essentially. What's a little pocket notebook. But it's actually a little computer essentially to write up the stuff which i liked so we get back to grieve cargoes where we meet myth role who we may remember from episode one of the mandalorian. Who is the guy that he brings in right. At the start of the series the blue aquatic creature. Myth role used to be cargoes bookkeeper. And of course got creative with his accounting which is why the mandalorian brought him in the first place but he has been thought out of carbonate and is working off his debt for three hundred fifty years and this is again. Played by horatio. Sanz the snl alum who is also apparently a huge star. Wars fan So we now have dune carried union grief. Cargo want men. Men does help basically eliminating an imperial base that is causing trouble and keeping them from sort of securing nine overall. That's gideon's troops came from at the end of last season There's a skeleton crew there in. It's filled with weapons that the black market wants to get his hands on until they get rid of it. They can't really establish navarro. As sort of a safe haven for the sector seems to be an awful lot of just very very shoddy research and resources on head a lot of other stuff to do right. They're maintaining this town. They don't have time to go out to a base and look good stuff but it's just an easy job. It's going to be an easy job in out. You know man. Lawrence got away for his ship to get fixed anyway. So he's got down time. Of course he wants to spend going to an imperial bagels they hop speeder into the hills. And the plan is to basically overload the reactor in the base. And then get out. Myth role is extremely nervous through all of this and keeps trying to get out of it as he drives them to the place. I'll leave you here. i'll come back for you. i'm not going in. Of course none of those things happen. He is forced to go company them to the entire the entire mission. There's a elevator that they tried to get in through. But it's not working. I so the mandalorian flies up and throw some stormtroopers off the edge of this seem rather keen on plummeting. Stormtroopers they season. They that's at least the second time this has happened. Yeah that's true. It's an easy way to dispose of them. Those those our is not ready for anything at least of all being thrown from a great hypic. There's a little sound thing here that i loved. Where when rules eventually forced to get out of this beater car alarm thing with it where you're like boop beep i it's the little bit there. Of course yes. Of course your speed or has a little car alarm on it. And the on top of the man has taken out a bunch of stormtroopers they're gonna go in drain cooling lines to overrode the reactor. We get a brief. Look at the traxler marauder which would be worth a lot on the black market. Which is one of those. Easter eggs inspired by a classic kenner toy from nineteen seventy eight. It's been seated a different forms over the years. Like as like an imperial troop transport basically a shows up in rebels. I think times but in this is a slightly different version of it but it's kind of inspired by. Is that the imperial transport you could put a figure in the size. Yes yes. I haven't seen one show briefly at the end of last season. When gideon shows up there might be one in the background. That shows overall Also there's like checkoff is working overtime here as we see that. And then we see the rows of speeder bikes. And they've got to walk through all these things in the way in. That does not bode well for getting out. They find imperial officer who they subdue and take his little code cylinder thing. And then it's onto the heat shaft and as i. We were talking about a little bit before. This is the the great design production design here of the base which does convey that classic. You know. Imperial based death star to the hexagonal corridors. And the just the lights and everything. It's just a great looking set. And the lack of god rails control that made me laugh so hard when they make mithra go out to the thing that looks like the tractor beam controls from a new hope. There's no real why. Why control is just makes. No but i love the lean into it because of course we're all so used to it being dumb classic death star sounds every once in a while in the background with like little wake alarms and stuff like that everything everything you know. Clearly a love wages age just feels and looks like an imperial face. You know in the same way that the the shift we later looks like an imperial ship. Everything about the design is just so it's safe. Yeah impeccable rally. They're they're clearly just going over all those classics and just got find youth going and being like all right. How do we rebuild this essentially or something that looks like it extrapolate from this how this would look so they manage to turn off the coolant lines and the lava starts bubbling up. Also mithra points out that he's afraid of heights and heat and lava which we all know. That sounds great. They've got ten minutes to get out. But of course the troopers are calling in reinforcements and as they sort of sneak through the base on the way out they encounter some scientists who appear to be purging stuff off the drives. They have a quick fight with them and then they discover what seemed to be these weird vats with stuff floating in them and everybody is kind of freaked out by this because they thought it was just a base but it turns out that there's a lab here and there some experiments happening miserable gets into the system. Good some very clunky dialogue. We should point out. That bligh. The this i will say the the episode on really liked but the actual script for this episode. Ease pratique clunky in places. Some of the dialogue here and it's not about delivery. It's literally about the lines that are written are just bad. You know that his whole like this is not a would base at all. It's laboratory rarely rarely. Did we need to have all those words in that sentence. I don't think anybody would actually speak lila. Strange one of the things that i so obviously the first thing most people think of when this bodies floating in liquid is always back to tank yeah But clearly these are not that. And i was suddenly put in. Mind all the Smoke spoilers sorry has no vats in lost yet i. i'm then when. I looked at up on walkie. Bedia that is exactly apparently what they are based on. That's exactly what i think. Yeah interesting so yes. We don't know exactly what's going on here. The the it's hard to see into the vats 'cause they're all cloudy and sort of muddled and stuff but it looks like deformed or misshapen humanoids in there. We get a hologram message from dr pershing. Who the preview package kindly reminded us is. The doctor brought in by the client. Verna herzog last season to experiment on the child once the child was retrieved and we get a basically a story about essentially them doing blood transfusions from the child to try and do something with these people these but it didn't go well and eventually the bodies rejected the blood and they say fun for everyone reference to you will not find anything any Donor with 'em count show really against dave aloni who is deeply involved with the production. This show is well known for being defender of the prequels. But i think even. He has his limits in terms of things that he sorts ends with. This skating closes wherever police say the would. Yeah exactly but we all know where it's going and so clear that this is something related to force powers or a connection with the force but we're not entirely sure what they're trying to do. Other than presumably transfer transfer those powers in some ways blood transfusions so the men mandalorian thinks this is must old message because it's addressed off gideon who he believes his dad and of course we know isn't and this is now confirmed for the mandalorian as well who suddenly realizes that if giddins not dead it means the child is still in danger so he runs back and then jet packs off to get back to the kid. Well jet packs up through the chimney. Yeah he also gets shot a bunch of times by stormtroopers which it all bounces off the best car and that you know there was some great jokes out there about this including how in the original trilogy stormtroopers couldn't hit anything and now they always hit him but it doesn't matter because he's got the on and it makes me wonder again if you're foreshadowing like sooner or later he's going to get shot with something that is going to go through that armor or could be. Yeah i mean he's it's once again. This is just how action storytelling worked. He only gets worse when it's important right a story because there are plenty of other instances in this episode in these very episode as well as obviously many other episodes where the stormtroopers can't hit the side of about from three feet. So yeah the fact that. All of these storm troopers are suddenly uncannily accurate right when it comes to shooting your best. Maybe put him in jeopardy whereas he's escaping as You i do really like there was a little bit when they are pinned down in the lab and other shooting stormtroopers and mithras hiding behind the console. And it's like holding the gun up over it and he shoots the last guy in the face without even he's got like one guy closed which i enjoyed. That was a polycom. See out of it. Remember the of carbonate. So they're trying to get out the trio and they decide the only way they're pin down by troopers. So they go for the marauder which we had hinted at earlier what one thing i wanted to mention. Hey was we're talking about the productions onto the imperial architecture. One thing i've noticed they've really leaned into in the mandalorian specifically easily hexagonal colorado. Yes and how they give you convenient cover bright for to have corridor shootouts. Which i don't think was ever really thin in any of the movies but they really laurie. In the detention level in the death star When lucan honnor pinned down there sort of pressed against the wall as the storm to preserve down the corridor shooting at them. So don't remember those buttresses. Being quite soon probably weren't quite as giving quite so much good. Cover the architects. Were all like you know what we need more. Cover those out a little bit so we cared you and grabs the marauder and tries to get them out it the door i guess the way out the tunnel out or something gets closed on them so they're forced to instead go over the edge of the cliff Which is a fun. Seen as carl. Weathers and horatio sanz just freak out as she drives over and cartoons dislike. Grinning yourself at sea flies the thing off as there isn't it so yeah i don't think that but yeah it does seem to work and of course it. The speeder mineral speeder cushions landing. Yes matched and we have a sort of a long fun action sequence as they're pursued by the biker scouts who jump over the edge and it looks like they're doing really great for a second there and then two of them collide into each other and blowup. Of course that seen as great when they speed out of the base and they do that drop down onto the lava flow at just brilliant. That to me is like yes. They is star wars style action. That's exactly the sort of thing that you want. speeder bikes anyway. Who doesn't yeah. But the way that scene was shot the way it was filmed. The design of it was just everything was like. Yes more of this. This is exactly what i want for my star wars right great looking to i come into this in my notes eb shortly after this. There's a scene where the tie fighters take off as the basics behind them and is a fantastic shot and it's also it's like a movie level shot right like so much of this episode. I think they they. Clearly you know we're willing to spend the money on the effects as they have been throughout the entire series. But like there's some great looking visuals in this episode for a episode tv series. Absolutely yeah right well but you can make up for that when you've got things like the ice cavern episode right which you know i mean had its own share of effect shots but let's be frank was very very small in terms of scope and set right so Yeah you know you can just distribute things around also. Didn't have the setup costs which you get with the first season so they could assuming they had the same budget or possibly even larger budget for season two they they can spend more of it on shots and this right like this and it absolutely pays off. Yeah absolutely so the scouts. Follow them Cargo gets one of them and the other two sort of split up and one of the skits jumps on top while the other one gets crushed by dune. That one on top is a grenade is about to drop cargo swivels around the turret and shoots and he explodes in his helmet like false off behind them. Then we have the fighters taking off and following you know. And they've celebrated we got away of course now the typewriters overhead that may have been premature says. There's a lot of shooting at the canyon walls which on the one hand i felt was like. Is this writing line. Between is he just that bad hitting things and also maybe it's way easier to shoot walls and have rocks volunteer tie than ashley posted. A tactic yeah. I have a note here too. Which i think is interesting. I think this is probably the longest amount of time in any episode of this entire series that we go without the mandalorian scene. 'cause it's a solid. Oh mutton right. Yeah it's probably close to a solid. I know seven to ten minutes. I feel like of this entire sequence of them getting out of the as soon as mando jets off. We don't see him again for several minutes so i thought it is an interesting. We haven't had a lot of other characters that we spend a lot of time with aside from the child i think reef carga and cara dune are the other two like sort of major characters. They're certainly the only ones aside from gideon as well that we kind of still have around from the first season so it kind of feels like it leans a little more heavily on them in this episode which i thought was an interesting choice of willing to expand the scope beyond just the mandalorian and the child well and they follow up on that with a sort of coda with both grief and car getting their own little character moments at the end as well and again. That's one of the things. I like about what you can do in a tv. Show that you can't do in a movie. Which is you can have those moments and you can deepen these characters in you can make the promise. We are gonna come back to these characters. You will see more of them. You will get to know them better they will. You know their stories will become more involved and intertwined and you can't make that promise in movies but you can do it here and they are as you say because they characters that we got to know. Join the first season. They are coaches. That we want to see more of my one more about nc their their arcs and their relationships deepen. Yeah i think. I mean. I think you might agree with us in some ways. It feels like movies tend to be a little bit more like short stories where it's like. It's very focused and like there's not a lot of room for digression whereas tv shows. I think are a little more like novels where it's like. You can spend chapter talking about this stuff that maybe isn't like super critical to the main plot but it's still like you got a little time to dull delve into this other stuff. You have the space to do it. That's exactly that yeah. There is no time to waste in a movie. I mean frankly. That's an issue that i have with some modern moviemaking. There's a little bit too much padding times. A lot of maden films could stunned to be a bit lena. Because it's just the nature of the medium and the time that you have whereas yeah in a tv show where you go in knowing okay. This is going to be several hours. This is going to be a long serialised many hours long story like you say it's like going into a novel and so you are much more prepared for those digressions and accepting of them because you trust that they will become important later all right and this goes to the way that the whole season. The ark of the season is structured as well. I mean in season one. We were all but one point going. Seems to be a lot of fila going on here. And then of course. All of those surrounding filler episodes at the end of the season came back together. We'll ono actually. These will really important. And i'm sure that's going to happen here as well. We've already got it with things like the recurring X wing pilot. Yep turns up at the end of this episode who was previously only introduced alongside fellow nina cameo in the ice cavern episode. Which did kind of feel like philip. But even so i was remembering season one. I watched that. I was thinking. Okay this this is clearly some elements of this are going to be important in shirt late part of the season in just the same way that huntington cezanne right a lot of season one was about him like being kind of a loner but blue building out his his allies and like sink. Won't yeah exactly exactly and some of that. Is i think coming back here. I would not even be surprised to see the the frog couple again. You know if you need a place or something like that you know. I think that's all gonna come into play. And i think it will go hide the child with them healing so he's fine with the. Tadpoles is just the eggs so nervous. I know a donate all right. So grief cargo manages to shoot down one type fighter but it crashes into the transport runs their guns they get to the open plains and have to sort of make a run for it and the ties are lining up their shots when the razor crest appears to save them The kid the child is still the cookies but he's finally got a seat belt which is great got. That was making me nervous. And he's giggling like he's on a roller coaster the whole time as love. And frankly just a really fun sequence. Where the man laura neo. We've seen him kind of hampered by the ship in the last couple of episodes we know he's a very capable pilot. But everything's been kind of clunky and broken and now it appears the raised is back in tip top shape and he does these couple of great bits and cueing. I just love that shop with power dive where he goes up and like kills the engines and then turns around reverse suicide. Run at the tie fighter. It's just great. Yeah and they're on the ground cheering as he destroys the last ties. And of course everything seems like it's great and then the kid throws up the blue cookies again. Anybody who knows kids again and again he's just like okay. you're cookies. whatever. I don't care oh wait by we. I should have thought about that. He's learning he's learning slowly. He man is going to take off because he's got to stay a step ahead of gideon he's got a place to go and he in grief carga exchange Like thanks for the repairs. Thanks for killing all the imperials And then we have our co with the new republic swings were our captain carson played by the canadian actor. Paul young yung lee. Who is a huge star wars fan as everybody who has probably followed a little bit as afterwards. He's like a cost player in everything. So he is. He's like he has a great interview with him where he's talking about. How excited he was in like how when he was talking to a friend of his. Who worked on the show. And they're like. Oh yeah you know you should. We should get you in. And he's like you know. I have pictures of all my cost. Play on my phone right now. And he was like pulling out pictures of him in his all like imperial uniform. And he's like. Yeah so that i can supply own costume. Yes exactly. that's that's the sweetener right there. But he's like the little beat cop again. He's got his little electronic notepad that he's writing taking down his citations on and he's interviewing cargo and group is like oh. I never said anything about a razor. Chris showing up. You know all those old ships look the same This isn't chorus. We don't have fancy technology And he's also a little passive aggressive right because he says like let you know if i hear anything. If you're ever out this far again which was a really nice touch. I mean it was a coal back to literally align that he had at the start of the episode when he point years. You said like you know. Why would the new republic thing that they contain the outer rain. the empire couldn't yeah But it is also just a nice little bit of both character and world building to emphasize that. Yeah these are. The sort of lawless reaches and new republic doesn't normally come this far and ease a bit wild west right exactly and there's know there seems to be some disputing that as we learn you know so The ex marine pilot June you know it's like you know you're clearly quite soldier. We could use your help and we need like you know. Local support essentially here And carry dunes. I'm i'm not interested. I'm doing my own thing and then we get this. This interesting bit. Which i think is sort of larger lincoln here where he talks about like. There's something going on in the outer rim and they don't believe this back in the core worlds but it's true in like we need to sort of figure out what it is. It's going to be dangerous. And then they have a brief exchange about all ran Reminding us of course. The carribean is rainy and lost everybody in the war and he leaves her. I guess i have a couple different opinions on what this is. It looks like it could either be a metal or a badge. And i'm not sure what it was intended. Yeah i'm not sure. Either i thin gets meant to be some kind of insignia badge. I mean that's clearly the rebel flame. And so i assume it's something to do with either the rebellion or the new republic. But i mean he also wasn't clear what he was talking about when he said there's something going on here. It is easy talking about events with the mandalorian autism means the l. So it's all a bit vague. They're not isolated incidents and we we. Yeah i thought my impression was maybe some of the stuff with with moth gideon or the various things that lowering his done. But it's yeah you're right it's unclear it's unclear but again because this is a coda and it's clearly meant to be a setup for things to come that's okay it's all right. It's not explained that it's all right that we're left going. What's he actually talking about. Because we will surely find out. I was wondering if some of it might be trying to sort of recruit her as a you know a essentially like a rebel police officer of sorts are like you know sort of official leising her position here but yes. She's clearly it seems like she's not interested though. There's you know maybe a little bit of dubiousness there. She's also feeding the weasel rescued thought was And then we get our final part of the co which is on board and imperial late. Cruiser are our pay off from earlier as tech reports to imperial officer. They planted a homing begin on board the razor crest which the officer in turn reports to our old friend mafia gideon who is creepy gas filled chamber. He asks if the mandalorian still has the asset which they confirm he does and he says will be ready as we get pan back with some texts working on these mysterious black. Armored figures is docked troopers. I've seen they've been nicknamed that's referred to rather in the audio description apparently of interesting but we don't know whether that she'll name for them and dark troopers again. You know going into my deep knowledge doctor is term that has been used a lot over the many years for a bunch of different things. I i started thinking of it immediately in the classic video game dark forces which was sort of the first star wars. fps way back in the nineties. Though like there are some really scary. Like dark troopers. That are like the the big bag there. Although i think they're robots i wanna sailor droids. We'll it's not clear whether the as our human or whether they're something to do with those experiments or as you say with droids you know we literally just see some vague black armored outline slightly ceylon looking with like a single as well yeah They're not quite the same so we did see briefly last season. The death troopers as well. Which are the Black armored stormtroopers. They i think for show up in rogue one working for ben mendelsohn character gone about and they show up briefly in the scene where he has them Pinned down in the bar. We see like a squad of them but they armor looks different. It's not quite this. Those are closer to stormtrooper armor. And these look more like how no. Yeah there's something there's something different so yeah. I think the the smart money is probably on them. Having to do something with those experiments since that has been led into there. But we don't know that for sure and what we do know is that like those experiments mostly didn't go very well so right which is why. I'm not at all confident that that is a connection. But as you say it's given that it's muff gideon it would be a an educated guess some make but again. This is a coder. it's a cliffhanger. Clearly we're gonna find this out later for now. All we know is the mandate is going to have to shoot all these at some point right. Yeah so this is also the halfway point for the season. So we've now got like are are midway are midway like sorta downhill probably into the back. Half is like things together steam. And i think that's interesting to look forward in. Think like we've got a lot of players on the board now like it feels like a lot of pieces have been set up where we've got gideon and his mysterious troopers we've got boca thanh in the mandalorian is out there. We've got a soka You know he's got his his allies so it feels like a lot of stuff has sort of being moved into place for these last four episodes and i'm kind of curious if you have any any any speculation we also. Let's not forget. And i did had had forgotten until i was about it this morning. We like the boba fett out. There is that on the first episode. Which i think they're kind of counting on day. Drop that early so everyone would forget about it. I forgot about it until you mentioned it. Yeah i don't know any any ideas or any thoughts on what you won't see coming forward. No no and honestly i am. Even though i'm a writer. I'm actually sort of a writer's dream in that when i m watching a movie or tv show or even reading your book i actually don't try to sort of think ahead too much. I trust the storyteller to just take me wherever they want me to go. I mean i will. If it's a murder mystery all try to figure out who did it. That sort of thing. But i don't actively try to predict where things are gonna go and i had i haven't really done. This is certainly didn't do it. Last season would've been horribly wrong in any case. I wouldn't really like to try to do here because as you say. There are so many pieces on the board. I mean there's also on the other side is the experiments there's marketing himself as the x wings. The franck couple and all that all these factors that could come into play some of them surely will some of the might not there are so many different directions that it could go in and we still haven't actually met our soka bryant right and clearly she's going to be in it or you know so y- the so many different ways go. I'm happy to just sit back and let it come to me as it will and what i liked about the way. They're sort of pacing. This is they also show themselves comfortable with leaving stuff for a while. So mitchell showing back up in this episode after not being seen since episode one doctor pershing are imperial scientists. Who hasn't been seen. I think since episode of less you know the first season like the. He'll it trusts us to be like. Yeah we're going to leave that over there but we'll get back to it like you said we have not only just for developing subplots but also just keeping the plot moving is like. We're willing to put stuff in the background in backburner it for you know even season potentially knowing that we're going to pay this off down the line. I still think back to. I think episode five from the first season where at the end finnick shand. Ming now wins. Character is found by mysterious individual. Who's boots jangle as they walk up to them. Haven't gotten back to that either. So like there's there's there's loose ends hanging here and there and i'm okay with that because have we not was not the was not not the marshall from the great dragon episode. I did certainly hasn't been confirmed. It could be someone else could be. Boba fett could be I mean i dunno. I thought it might have been moth gideon point even but like i think i think a are trusting that they can dangle these things out there and then pay them off later because they kind of know where they're going it does feel like they have an assurance in themselves in telling this story. That's not like ooh. Let's put this. Let's put this thing here and we'll figure out later right like what what that means. It feels very much like they're setting up things like. Oh yeah we know what this is going to be. We're just not ready to tell you. Well i don't know about some of it. Yes absolutely stuff like the as you say those the parents of the gangly boots. That's clearly you know. They must have had somebody mind when they did that. Because it so distinctive but things like the missile showing up again. That's that's probably a decision that was made for this episode. Oh let's bring him back. Why not right. Then you get things like the reappearance of pushing still will clearly what i reckon. He's probably the cases that they cause. There's no suggestion in the first season of water. Want child four brand. My assumption is that they had a vague idea but because it was one season and we all know many many shows. Tv shows only last one season. They probably didn't build it that much. And then when the first season was so popular and so successfully it was very very clear that they were to get to continue make more then. They probably went okay. Let's sit down and figure out exactly what this is all about. So i think from this point on yes absolutely every you know. They know where they going on there and juicing characters with a very deliberate ought to bring them back again later but in the first season. I'm not so sure about that. So you know the guy who played the doctor say dr pershing probably may have thought he would never back again but then when they're developing get the go. Okay what's he doing and so for this episode cakes. How can we get this across to the characters. Let's have a hologram with a message from pershing to move gideon near that make sense. Let's get him back. But i feel that that was probably a decision not made until they knew they were gonna get season to although i think my understanding is that was fairly early that they did know that was gonna happen so i think they had a little bit of runway on that in terms of knowing like because i think it was by the time in production probably early in broad surly early and broadcast. It was publicly known. I feel like even within the first couple of episodes that they had gotten renewed but i think internally probably i feel like they had a pretty good feeling internally it was going to happen but you're right that that some of this stuff may not have then been decided even until later until they were into production on season two but yeah i think i think there is stuff there's plot development certainly that they are happy to dangle out there and then maybe filling those in with characters some already established some new characters as they go makes a lot of sense in terms of you also want to figure out who's available right like get etcetera so there's always logistical challenges with that too. Well you and. I both know storytellers. All you have to do is introduce a character who might only have one sort of small purpose and then if you bring them back people will go back you know. It was all part of some grand plan. Even if it wasn't you can do that. So retailer you always say yes. Of course entirely what. I had mob sleep but like i say so. I'm sure this episode probably wasn't scripted with myth in mind but then at some originally i mainly or outlined with him in mind but then somebody went hang on. We've got this character. Why not bring him back. You know and the decision was made like okay. Well let's get this character. The people know who call back to the very first episode. Look great. But i very much doubt the at the early stages earning yes episode. You know these character specifically it was like we've got to have this character needs. Because he doesn't he could be replaced by any absolutely absolutely. Yeah i do wanna call it a couple of things about this episode production wise. It was directed by call. Weather's which is great. I think he did a fantastic job. But this is as we mentioned. It's an action heavy episode. And i mean i guess he is action jackson so that makes sense but but i know i only know this episode but it was true lost episode well that the second unit director. He's one sam hargrave. Who was the stunt coordinator of atomic blunt and then directed extraction the movie with chris hemsworth nigh. So so what's the action experience there right exactly and so because i remember watching last episode and thinking wow bryce dallas howard can really direct action and i'm sure she can. I'm not taking anything away from her. But when you have a second. Unit director likes i'm hargrave. You know you're going to get quality. Second unit action stuff you know and some great experience of directing stunts and performing those stunts so yet. I'm not surprised that these two episodes have been really really good in terms of how the action as presented. And i want to note as well. There's an interesting connection Last episode had like three separate actors who had all appeared in episodes of agents of shield. And this week had another one in the The the officer at the very end who realized him off gideon the message on the yes she has been. She was in the last season. The final season of agents of shield for three or four episodes as kind of a side character but she also popped up on plaque lightning. I think too. I was like she was one of those people like. She's got a very distinct look about her and as soon as i saw a college her again. I've seen all over all of a sudden i mean. Obviously agents of shield disney. I think there is some casting crossover. I believe the woman who's the casting director for the mandalorian is also the woman who did all the casting which also explains why they're casting is so good clearly. Clearly they have a great i for finding people who can can fit a particular role so well done as always while. I'm doing six degrees. Incidentally i should also points for people who don't know that the the virtual ahead of virtual production basically the guy in charge of light you know so the sf fx production design. And have you for this show is in milam and ian was also the art director for all of the dead. Space video games Which obviously have some fantastic art director of really really great and talented guy. And yeah that was. I've he appears in the gallery is what you can see talking about the stuff. And he's been really heavily involved in the volume in the epic software. And stuff like that so again. You know sort of seeing the top flight talent that they're bringing to this show people really really know how to take this tack and these production techniques and film this kind of show on to the absolute best quality. You know the people who alexei the top of their failed so it's again speaks to how well eighties supported how highly Disney thinks of it that it's given that kind of resources and that kind of i don't wanna say hands off necessarily but the has to be and you get this impression from watching the gallery episodes of season one. You can tell that. There's a certain amount of we trust. Joan favreau to do this and felonious show but venus five row as like figurehead as it were we trust him to do this and some of this is a bit off the wall. But we're going to place that trust in him and they've been well rewarded for it. I agree and and it's also worth pointing out that with episode nine finished and current fate of current star wars movies. You know there will be some eventually. I'm sure but there's nothing public right now. The mandalorian is basically carrying the star wars legacy. At this point it is the premier star wars property. Going on out there right now and i think that's very high profile right so yeah so putting all that trust and money into it. I think you know shows that they understand that this is what's carrying on star wars property. Kind of you know until. And if the movie's come along again or i mean obviously there are other. Tv shows in the work works as well but the mandalorian is right now. Pretty much the only show town. So i think it's interesting. I love the. They're doing that with show. Like this is the outer raymond. The is not filled with light. Sabers and jed i n force use all over the place You know that's. I mean we can hope we can only hope that that will filter out. Some of the other majors will when they see that. You can have a flagship show a really popular show. And as you say. Bearing the flag four star wars. That doesn't focus on those elements and it can still be really popular with people. I hope that they take that to heart. Yeah same all right well we could obviously spend another hour talking about just. The mandalorian starts general. But there's one thing that thing before the closing credits. Oh yeah the i love. The concept are angry partly just because concept artists. Don't get the props and credit that they deserve frankly in all manner of filmed production and also video games. So i think that's great but one of the things that i especially love about them if they don't redraw them Like you can tell there are things have changed have been changes made during fiends. Yep yep for example in this you've got the weasel breathing fire in the concept art. You've got a human teacher not odroid in the classroom. Little things like that and yet they have that confidence that people will understand this concept art right to not go back and read when they could even for them to do even making the characters. Look more like grief cargo carrier dune. Don't look like gina carano and carl weathers exactly. But they're clearly recognizable. You know who they are. They look more like them now than he did. The think this is a tip of the hat sort of testament to the effect that say ralph mcquarry especially on the early star wars stuff and realizing how instrumental he was like sort of reflecting how instrumental concept is in general to the star wars universe in part of the production experience. But it's great. Yeah i i agree i really enjoy it. Adds a whole different dimension to it really is on. The music is always northbound. Right there with your love and i should note that the as of this week when they released the last episode there is now a season two soundtrack album covering chapters nine through twelve. The first half of the season it finally out. It is to my opinion of hi this on on twitter. It's a little sparse. Because it's like fifty minutes of music for four episodes as opposed to twenty to minutes per episode. And there's clearly a lot more music that has been written and produced for these episodes. They just decided to do it. In a in a group elba but has led. Because i seem to recall reading because they finished filming this season only a couple of weeks before the march basically before the pandemic lockdown and i am sure i remember seeing somewhere. They said the music hadn't been done at that point. Because music is always one of the last things to score composers will always tell you that they are always under the gun to get these things written quickly and especially if the tv and i'm sure i remember reading that they had had real problem regards on it. How to real trouble. Getting the not getting written per se but getting it recorded ranks of the different orchestra together. Sir exactly yeah. Yeah so it may be actually. The just literally isn't as much musing that they're losing cues more. Okay that's a fair point. I hadn't thought about that. People did bring up the possibility for using cues. I didn't think that was necessarily the case. But it's a great point from a logistics standpoint that it is hard to record all of that and certainly he does a lot of work with non orchestra orchestral stuff as well which you'll probably i was in day. Yup yup yeah. I don't know it'd be interesting to to hear more about that. I don't remember seeing that original news piece. But i'll be. I'll do some poking around. But i think we can also certainly expect second at the end of the season covering back half which i still look forward to so. I'm so glad that the music is out there and i really. It's fantastic as we said all right. We should wrap up. Because i promised you. It doesn't go along. Our and i think we beat that a little bit this week. Maybe our lines. So but anthony johnson. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you very much for having me allowing me to which is always a pleasure you out there listening. Thank you so much. 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Helpful tips for working from home, with Glenn Fleishman
"Hello there it's Chris here and welcome to this slightly odd episode of the pass on podcast. There's two things I want to do with a special episode. The first is to reassure you that even though things are all about unusual just know Steve. Connie and I are all working from whom we want to come together. online to keep recording this podcast. We we love doing and we hope that we can be a a friendly voice new ears if things are getting a bit stressful for you so you have to forgive some site Iraqi audio quality and we might also be purposing on exactly the skimmed schedule as you would normally do. But we'll do our best to be there for each other and for you. The second thing in the whole reason for this particular episode is even though it's not really in our normal vm. It to give this kind of advice with everything that's happening. We know that a lot of people in the UK across the world will be worked from home for the first time or at least working from home for the first time for an extended period and that can be an odd aspiration to be an oversee. Some people don't have the option of working from home and especially for those people who continuing to do shopping for us and look after us in other ways with us. An inch as the health service or or in other professions like cleaning and this jobs that often go unremarked but for those people who are network from my friend. Glenn. Fleishman has written a book. It's his contribution to keeping everyone saying and moving forward which he's pro for free is called taking control of working from home temporarily and is available at take control books dot com and it's full of advice from him and from friends across the world about how to make the very based of the changed circumstances of yourselves in and so because I knew Glen. I got him on the phone from Seattle Washington where he joins us now to go through the advice. That's in his book so joining us from Seattle. Here's Glenn Fleishman. Welcome Queen. Hello thank you for having me. You're very welcome. Thank you so much for writing this book and All. We'RE GONNA DO. This really is you. Take through the contents. You've written a book on literally am what should people working from home for the first time. Be Thinking about. Well IT'S A. It's an interesting time because usually when you advise people say you know. I'm thinking about working from home. Maybe a transition maybe leading one job and going freelance or they get a new job that gives them the opportunity. And you're like well we could. We could plan this out. Here's some ideas. Here's we think about. This is totally different. This is like no one has ever on. The scale of this never happened before that. So many people thrown on their own devices to change their pattern of working. So that's why I thought to my mind. I made the sexiest book arises in part because I made a joke on twitter about before this became even more serious. I think if you're still making jokes. Some twitter yeah exactly. This is a few a few weeks ago a few short weeks ago. It's like well if you're being asked to work from home or forced to work from home get a freelance bunny and they can tell you things like putting time lock on your refrigerator and so forth. I don't keep your account for typing on your keyboard and I got a remarkable response to that and I thought oh I'm making light of something it's a very serious for people and I thought why. Write a book about this and get advice from people like you and veteran work from home people so I talked to people who are work Some of them are employees have been employees doing telework. Some of them were fulltime for home for virtual company. That has no central office. Some are freelancers like me. And they've spent most or a huge chunk of their life especially in recent years working for a home space they created and we all had some time to plan most of us and I think the most critical thing. I think that everybody said I totally agree. And this is kind of what got me into a Home Office. Also after renting space outside the home when Seattle's real estate market was a little cooler than it is. Now it's Guinness. Set a space for yourself and that's going to be hard for a lot of people because if you didn't plan this you know. Most people do not conveniently have An extra several rooms in their mansion. They don't have their jato sitting there and oldest oldest shift off the record and so forth. It's you know some people may be lucky enough to have an extra room or room. That's their their sewing room there. Dan a kids playroom that they say look. I need a space where I can define the sum. You're not to turn that over So that if you're very lucky you of that you could close the door. If not you're going to need to find a space in somewhere in your home and I know for some people listening. This may be your roommates. You may have a partner. You may have children the parents living with you than maybe living with. You talked to numerous people who are suddenly living at home because of where they are and these are people. Sometimes in the thirties forties The current crisis others have had their parents move to them so they're closer by to help whether this and provide for them so we are in unprecedented time. A resident living situations. Our children will be home for weeks if not for the rest of our school year in my house and being able to define space. That your workspace being able to find both physically. Here's where I'm working in a way. That is not invasive of other people but that that you communicate to them that is the space you need to work in being able to set it aside. Psychologically so yeah in that space. You're working you're not you're not yet. I think actually key so as you say a lot of people will have the luxury of separate even have a Home Office of some kind or a space can vividly purpose into a Home Office. Even if you don't that idea of some High D. marketing space that will be yours and that might be a purely notional barrier. Right might not be anything physical. It might be just saying when mummy is over here. She's going to be working. Yeah the writer. Mary Robinson cow was a science fiction writer. Whose work may people know she? Has This Co Creative Commons licensed. Pdf she made for working at a writers workshops. It works really well for home to she. Basically you print this out in stiff paper and fold it and you put a paper on a paper clip a clothes pin on it and you put it in different positions of your laptop. Whether you're available not available or goofing off right and you just literally a sign of. I talked to one fella who is tips in the book. A colleague of his used a hugh. That's H. E. controllable lightbulb. Put it outside his office so when he's His Google calendar is tied into Was So when he has an appointment at actually lights up his family knows. He's an assessment. Incredibly Geeky way of doing things but you can do much more. Gripe you could just literally have a series of colored people that stick to the door or you as you see that difficult will flag on your laptop or even just you know simple rules about times between this time and this time the one of the things that he liked was talking about you know almost a traffic light system. So it's raid really. Is You kind of interrupt me? I might be broadcasting or might be. I'm really focusing piece of writing or might be doing. Something just requires focus green is. I'm just goofing off. You can come in whenever you like and I think you said I'm a little while or keeping Jason seeing ethical while to work those rules. Where if your wife commits you're working space during that amber thomas she can come in and then just just pause for a second. Let me finish the thought a writing and then. I'm completely talkable and those can have rules of social interaction can be quite difficult to to to get to so what shortcuts. Can you have for us to those good sports a bit more quickly? I think it's going to be a combination of physical barriers and symbols and signs And also some digital tools and it'll depend obviously on the age of of kids and parents and sophistication as well as a three year old is not gonna be checking your shared. Calendar your wife or husband or other partner May Be checking account under for you And you know I think we're going to those of us who can rely on digital purposes. Especially I'm thinking you know I know people in the bay area in the San Francisco Bay area who Maybe seven to a house and that may sound worse than it is. It is as bad as it sounds because of the cost of housing there and these people are all roommates and the I don't think any of them are romantic partners in in one case And they have some bedroom summer sharing a room and they may all be thrown in an even working different shifts in the past so they have to figure out some system but all these people are digital natives digitally literate they can all put stuff in a calendar maker share calendar You know it could be as simple as putting up a curtain sticking a couple hooks in the ceiling for the time being or getting a little stand guy. These actually very inexpensive photos stands are designed for putting up backdrops on but you can get these kits typically very inexpensively with Telescoping tripods and you could just hang a curtain or use a photo type Divide on it and just be. That is your office and you move it out of the way at night when it's no longer your office. I think one of the things that's worth seeing as well as that and something like that. You know putting hooks into the ceiling to hang something from scare some people not right from the point of view but it tends quite drastic but it is worth seeing without being in any way alarmist we might be looking at a few months of this Especially with schools closing people having to work from home to support their their kids so it it it it far to do that work. No right and get a working as well for you as possible than to Heathrow something together. It's just kind of you know kitchen table and we'll sorta all I if you do that for two weeks. You might suddenly find the actually. You're not in a particularly good place and a month down the line that I think is exactly it is is is also I? I say this again and again the book and I'll say it again and again what we're talking is be kind to yourself too because this is going to be difficult for you. Your employer has no idea what's going on because no no one has ever lived this kind of experience before in the history of the world people have gone through play and so forth. No one has gone through of disease. That's this survivable yet. Requires this much disruption. I mean what we're being asked for us to be as far away from everybody else as possible and keep working. Keep working which we need because we need to make money. We need the money to keep going. So we're actually inviting vital. Working is a vital function. But then you know you all these other stresses on top of you so set it up like maybe you need psychological. Say I can't set this up as a three-month office or a six week office on setting up a two week office. I'm GONNA pile some books up and put my laptop on it and put a chair. That's comfortable and put on headphones and that's it but as time goes on as you get more accustomed to and we get a better sense of as there's more testing and we all see each country. What the shape of the curve is GONNA BE And we may go. I've seen recently This is mid March and so many things have changed by the time you listen to this but is that we may go through waves this when we have several may have months on and go out of this kind of isolation back into something broader with testing them back in so we may need to move in and out of homework and become more flexible. So it's hard to say to someone spend a lot of money right now because we hope it doesn't last long and we don't know what we need so ease into it if you set something up and it's not right give yourself permission to change it I don't have a boss. I A freelancer by boss. The people who buy my tiny type museum projects and and various publications I write for so I have total flexibility with what I do in. Your circumstances may be that your employer may be very sympathetic and have a budget and say look. We are trying to make this work. So we're giving everybody five hundred dollars or fifty dollars or fifty pounds or euros or whatever we're giving you to spend to me you know we we can't give you a thousand euros to make a transition So I think consider that as well that you may have the option to spend a very little bit of money that makes a big difference and in some cases Some of the solutions that I mentioned the book are absolutely free. Just literally pilot books or put up a curtain others. You might spend twenty dollars fifty dollars one hundred dollars or more if you're looking for a more permanent solution such as a standing desk yeah. There's some good practical solutions in the book. Which is free. And it's worth reiterating as well the as you say they are taken care of yourself. I've seen a lot of dialogue on social media from people like you and colleagues of ours. Who have been homeworking for a long time. And they really are pains to make the point. You know if this is hard if this is difficult transition is difficult and you're finding it hard to concentrate. Don't be too hard on yourself because you know well. Those of us who've been doing for years are finding it hard right and I was. Well I heard this from meditation teacher and I really appreciate it. He had been meditating for decades at the point of took a course from him and he said the class he's if somebody asked him a question during some part of the session and said you know said something like a window. I get good at this. He said Oh. You never get good at this. You never get he said. My mind wanders all the time with what you get good at easy. Get better at being able to get yourself back into the state that you want. And this is true for freelancing Financing it's true as a freelancer recognize it in my work being divided. It's true working from home if you didn't make the decision in your forced forced into it or maybe it's something you desire but you've never been able to plan for it You you'RE GONNA learn how to do it where you're gonna it's GonNa come to you eventually and eventually it will seem normal enough to to get the kind of productivity but on day one day to day seven you may get very little done is use ease into it the flip side and I have heard this from some people. Some people are so delighted to not have to go into an office. They think and have even with all. The concerns of the world are getting much more productive. Because they're delighted you and not having people talk you around looking over their shoulder people wandering by and they can use it as well right so you you might have an hour and a half commute each way that time back and you know you don't have to give that came back to your boss. That can be time for you to do something differently for yourself am or tame with your parents or your children but you you you get that time. Back so let. Let's move on Glenn if you were to the next section the bits of the first Tip You give Mrs we control your delineating a space. What would you say his next big thing? People who are newly homeworking need to consider. Why should I just want to have more from that section? Because I think we said in passing but getting yourself a very good quality which can be very cheap headset Ear Buds a noise canceling microphone. Headphone set up. Whatever it is. You'RE GONNA you may wind up doing a lot of video conferencing audio calls. You've never done in the situation. You're in and even a a thirty dollar. Twenty five pound headset is going to make a world of difference in your comfort and in being able to participate in that. So that's the last thing I'd say about that but the other is I mean. We talked about How you indicate your at work but there's also that sense of professionalism is what are we. What are we doing when we're at work? Were at home. How professional informal do we have to be and I think in a normal telecommuting situation if you were like well? I'm going to work three days at home in this job in to the office. You might be asked to have a fairly high standard of professionalism at home and when you do call the meeting more formality depending on your workplace. You mean put on a polo or a tie when you're doing video conferencing with people if you're doing that from home in this circumstance some of the rules are thrown out and I think there's a combination of both You you are working working requires some kind of professionalism but I think we're going to find a new definition of that your children if you have children at home and their three or seventeen or thirty. They made us wander in and start talking behind. You might have dancing. Toddler come in on a video conference with an important client. And you know what's going to happen to everybody so we're all going to have to learn to deal with it and I think it's better to try to to tell yourself that ahead of time so instead of reacting Comparison or anger right. This is going to happen. And so be kind yourself in a a one became to your colleagues to him. It happens as well so those are taught and Roll Your Eyes. If if dogs only walks in vay distracting everyone will start giggling and laughing and say there is a cat is fine. Just you know we all understand. There's a cat. Can we just move on so I think being kind to yourself being came to your colleagues as well is important where to see much more of each other's home lives than we ever have before and we're we're GONNA and we're GONNA have to have to roll with that so I think that's it he's like? Don't try to sack it's like you can't push your family if you have. You have seven people at home. Who knows you can't push them into a cover while you're working. They have to have their lives at home. The kids are going to be taken care of even if you just there with a partner and they have a full-time job or a part time job and you're trying to balance work in the space. You're you're everyone is going to be in this situation. So I say this again and again in the book and I know at this time of displacement of people losing jobs of anxiety and worry about that but at the same time you have to stand up for yourself and your employers your bosses need to be. They're also gonna his the classic thing. They're going to be scared to your boss is magically no matter how pulled together the people you work for. May Seem They're also in positions of uncertainty in stress and especially if their businesses are losing revenue as most businesses will and in this time which is also bizarre. So it's you know. Keep yourself in a work environment where you're at work recognize it. Home is going to intrude and recognize. Also that if you're criticized for that you have to be all say. This is a weird time. This isn't just a normal time. I think intrigue is an interesting. Were there because you're right with your home life can trip but I think the other thing I would kind so people to embrace is understanding that it can be difficult to switch your focus green home life and work life but with the same token it's not absolutely necessary to maintain a complete separation of church and State. Right an example. I would give if my daughter right now. It was recording. This podcast wanted in the room and she was desperately wants to blow some bubbles with me. I might say you know what kid right. Let's go do that glazed. Would you mind if you post this just for five minutes because all it will take to mollify her right? Kits are like go into the thing. A kid wants switchback at nine for some people. It's GonNa be a very hard switch to make but it's worth remembering that you that you have been displaced from your home and placed in an office for wildly or more. It might be that you lose to were to blame slightly and sometimes if that will take some of the friction of your home life and home relationships I think this is also an unprecedented time to discuss with an employer or to figure out. If you're given a lot of flexibility in your schedule what hours do you really want to work? If you've been going into an office maybe you have to be there from eight to five or seven to six or something horrible and And you have a three hour commute. A two hour commute on top of that I was trying to convert hours into pounds. That's but You know that kind of thing is going to be open up for you as well so you might say. I WANNA work from a five. Am to eight PM. Then I'm going to spend four hours by child or children. I'm going to hand that off to my partner. Who's thinking to the next four hours and I'm going to work from noon to five and that's Kennedy my day and if that could be your day that works maybe that gives you the A better balance than you've ever had before so there's a little bit upside right. We could take a little upset from this and it also allows you to be more president work more productive and feel that you're being more professional in your work environment. I mean all. These things require have sympathetic employer. But but it's it's worth seeing that even if your employer has inflexible in the past and we've heard love stories about people being somewhat resentful at having requested flexible working homeworking and been told no we can't possibly support that situation whereas mandated But you may find the An employer if you say to them Jun Wu. I need to check my working hours. Would you please consider that? It may be. They'll see yes. We might have not suggested in the past exactly that it's it's going to be a key. The thing is everything is going to be different. It's going to change but I think the one constant is going to be where we're not going to be in a We're not going to go back to the way it was immediately. We have some period of time ahead of us. And there are plenty of professions or plenty of jobs in which people are going to be invaluable and in which people not being in the office means that time shifting is good it may be that a whole group says we'd rather all work from two PM to ten PM maybe programmers who were forced to go in an office. I mean Apple famously Really only wants people to work Editor Cupertino Office. They want people in the office. They really have very little remote work. They have offices around the world including a significant one in Seattle. Apparently that I've kind of hidden downtown somewhere but You know you may be a programmer and you've been going into regular hours like Oh thank goodness now I can do my no eight. Pm to four am stint. I've always wanted So so that's that's GonNa be something I I also think we're going to. We're going to learn more about How we set expectations at home. I mean talked about boundaries. But it's also when we have multiple people working in the same house. You may be coming into an environment where you have a partner roommates or parents or whomever you live with. Who have been working from Hala Ready. And you're invading their space and you need to negotiate that you can't just plop the laptop that and say okay honey here. I am in You got to move over there. It's going to be a negotiation and I think having conversations ahead of time however abrupt. This is happening for people taking the time to sit down. Figure things out and saying this isn't the way it's always going to be. We have to start this way if it doesn't work readjusted because we need to make it work for whatever period of time is to come magic's who got the idea of finding space. Who got the idea of setting some rules and expectations around how you blamed your home? Life New York. Forget from separate next in the book you've got a section and learning remote tools and obviously we're not going to go into exactly what those tools would be on this podcast but it's worth maybe having a conversation bite. The kind of expectations are reasonable to have arraigned video conferencing and teleconferencing systems and digital systems. That you might be unfamiliar with and being able to think about how we can anticipate what those friction points might be in high to high to work around them. I think that's a great thing because as I was saying earlier I think a lot of people have never been in a situation where they're doing video with other people. Maybe ever maybe a little facetime or other kinds of WHATSAPP or other sites of. I don't know if the kids do that. What whoever does that talk you you doing. Some kind of a one to one too many one. You know many many face conversation but socially or for gaming or something like that but this may be the first time people professionally have to do something where they're in a meeting and I was doing a video meeting I should say and I was doing a contract job a few years ago and we were using Zoom was relatively new then and it was I think forty to sixty people would be at the stand up meetings we had and they're actually run really well and you can see everyone's face and I just thought this is the weirdest thing to have this many people but it actually was kind of a cohesive thing with so many of those people working remotely there only a few people in that organization in any central office and I think it did. Help US communicate better. So there is that advantages. You may wind up communicating with people. You never have before they're always been email or phone or something and you may wind up in these video. Chats I think you set up a space a little bit again. That curtain idea is also useful to set up a background for yourself. If you're using SKYPE SKYPE has a button. You can click that blurs your background. Which is kind of cuts? You out around You may want to get There's this hilarious thing. It's like a peacock fan that you can velcro onto the back of a chair and it gives you kind of A. It's like a game of thrones style without the sword. Just a big background behind you. So when you're close up with the cameras the blue background or green background behind you so that people don't see the rest of your house. I've hung hooks in my ceiling in the basement. So I can hang a curtain or a backdrop and backdrops for very cheap. I just bought actually for for fun. Podcasting I bought a Just today I got it because I'm doing more of it. Twenty dollars you know so seventeen. Eighteen pounds It's a backdrop of old book bindings like bookshelves and things like that. It looks like I'm in some ancient library. It's very cute. It's photo printed. It looked surprisingly good. A little out of focus on the camera So that may be part of the professionalism thing is. What do you want to see how people see behind you? You're set up with a good Mike. Let's say good headset. So you can be heard and you have to think about if you're a person who wears makeup. Do you want to put up make up for this? Is that part of how you feel professional or how you want to present yourself to the world. Do you wind up trying to figure out how to get your hair cut. All the hair salons are shot as they are in Seattle right now. I'm looking at a little a little afraid with my. I don't know that much hair but it standing on end So these issues people have had a face before and it can be daunting and some people don't want they have social anxiety or they simply don't want to be engaged video conferencing and they may be told they have to be told as part of the job. You may have to communicate that that disease and may be able to negotiate only doing audio or doing very little of it to a quite difficult thing to negotiate as some people may have perfectly justifiable reasons not to want to have. The video turned on on their laptop. Whether that's to do with their personality or their situation and we shouldn't judge that but I did see some narratives around and it's quite true using video does give you an opportunity to use. Non Verbal cues right if you're all if if there's any more than two or three or four people in a group. Coal is quite hard to to to interrupt each other and crosstalk against each other. And you got the you know just saying you've got that going on. If you can have video then you can raise your hand or you can indicate otherwise that you want to take the floor or otherwise and it's worth having somebody In such a chairperson role to a ringmaster Analogy to tame what's happening because otherwise it can be a bit of a free for all and you. You don't have the same fluidity of conversation that you have in a face to face conversation. We were also going to be craving Most of us I would never want to say everybody because everybody has their different A neuro types and different needs and different social needs. Some people do not like the people they work with. Some people loved the people that work within socialize with them are missing that time during the day after outside of work so this video conferencing for some of us will serve as an additional bit of socializing that we're not gonNA get and his estate may come and go that we get to see other people to some extent in person or not. Video is not a replacement for in person communication. I think that we we know that. And you know we've been talking to our kids about like you really need to get out and see people and then this happens. Oh great just use your video conferencing tools and the kids are all over it. They know how to use skype and zoom and facetime and other tools. The Kit your kids may be able to by the way. Teach you how to use these tools better than any other resource out there because they often use You know This tools on smartphones and tablets and sometimes hitters and know the INS and outs and I I think it might be a great opportunity if you have kids. Who who do that are the right age to help you? accustom yourself. They can even be good about getting you up so you look if you want to look a little better if you WANNA present yourself a little better it makes you happy not other people for yourself. Your kids might be able to help you with that to an as worth thing as well that I'm guilty of this myself thinking of videoconferencing as a of a transactional thing. We have to set up a meeting and a video conference about this. You could just use it to to to do a fifty minute. Coffee Break Right. You could just use it to literally hookup socialize with colleagues or far flogger family or whatever. It doesn't have to be a particular reason for it so whether that's My mother-in-law leading up story to my daughter over facetime over. That's you gathering ranges virtual water cooler with some of your colleagues just to chew the fat. We'll we'll leave. That tying for people who Is Say they will miss those opportunities to sort of blow off steam and you know try and reestablish the new normal and having a continuity of those kinds of conversations you would normally have as you prepared. Coffee are going to be really important to have to think about these tools as purely business productivity to lose weight exactly and you know some people this is harking back earlier section but I really think most people benefit from a second monitor or even you can use an IPAD as a second monitor with various software as well. If you're using a Mac you can use an android tablet with windows other systems. Lots of ways. You can use repurpose a tablet as well as just getting a second monitor it. You got a second monitor. Some people do office cooler and this may become even more common where you set up a window. Maybe it's zoom window or something where there's a lot of video going on everyone's muted. It's off to the side and it gives you gives you the sense that people are around so that you're not as isolated for some people that's torture for other people workgroups. They may decide to do it because they're in such consultation and people may Unu- themselves as they need to raise a point. You may working separately. Allegri every twenty five minutes. You break your activity. You Chit Chatter or up to each other. What's going on for five minutes? There's all these strategies you can do that you know again. You have to think about yourself as an individual. Don't expect say to you. Video conferencing has to happen. Your boss May tell you this but no-one should advise you. I should say the video conferencing is good for. Everybody always works. It's absolutely necessary but for many people maybe most people I don't know seeing the numbers or we haven't seen Some form of is going to help you with homeworking It can also help you. In the social circumstances we talking about too is as you get familiar with video tools video conferencing tools. And you have it before. Then you may wind up using them and other social circumstances too great so the two more sections in the book. The next one is about pacing yourself about saving some Some rules that mean. You're practicing self care and that you're sitting at your work day in a way that makes sense for you. We've talked a little bit before. But what does this section of the cover but it's kind of how you take care of yourself inside of a new work environment and this advice I would say would work this part of the book it. I think any time that you're setting up a homework environment would work. It's actually strangely. The one normal. The book is whenever you start a situation which you are generally separated for other people and working. You're inclined to either under international say underwear but you're inclined to not understand the pattern of you work when you start. Because it's so different so pacing yourself as both about figuring out what the best way to What distractions exist that you should eliminate Antony Johnston is a terrific Writer writes graphic graphic. Novels is a mystery novelist. Science fiction novelist he had a great tip. And it sort of obvious when you hear it but someone has to say it to you which is if your job doesn't actively involve answering email. Why is your email program open or notifying you all the time and I thought? Gosh you know I do that. My job is an answering email. Why am I demand driven? I should change my own behavior Because my elbows being being being I get notifications so even things as little as that where maybe in an office. It's part of your workflow but you want to focus more One of the common techniques focusing is to eliminate distractions. Turn off everything. That's going on your computer. Put it in or phone device. Put do not disturb mode. There's even software called. Freedom is a well-known package available for every platform in browsers in it turns off social networks or the entire Internet. Whatever you want you basically lock yourself out for a predefined period and then you can do a thing. A pomodoro technique is very common. It's a very widely used where you set a timer. It could be a tomato timer as in the original case the Pomodoro or it could be on your phone. Whatever twenty five minutes you before you start you set up an object in your head. You're extract for twenty five minutes. You avoid distractions than the timer goes off. You take five minutes to relax when you talk to other people you do whatever you get up and walk around then you go back in a few those and then you take a longer break and you could if that works for you you structure Your Tire Day around these twenty five minute sessions and then maybe how. Some unstructured time to do email into multitasking. It's very distracted at other points in the day or schedule meetings around this a good block of two or four. Six hours of sprints in some breaks and then have less productive. Let's say a meetings and conversations outside of that gaps in it and and being able to it the the tricky thing. He is impossible for anyone to give you a specific advice. You should do this. Because everyone's needs and work will differ and everyone's employers will be less or more flexible about things you can do. But being aware of things that mature technique are tools. You can employ and try and see if it works for you because one thing is almost certain that you will be able to work in quite the same way as you would in a nine to five job sitting at your desk in an office because those same structures aren't arrange and the seam in distractions or abilities to quickly across a colleague to get quick answers to something those things don't exist quite the same way so you you're working patterns will change and is worth spending the time at the star of you working from home beauty. Try and work out. What will work for you so that you can implement it going forward not see? You can't change it and be flexible as you go forward but trying to work out. Aaron leader is going to put you in better position as you go through the next weeks and months and I find I get into the flow state where you get into this almost Fugu where time disappears and you work for some period and you almost waken out of it. You're like what I just wrote. Three thousand words. I just wrote five hundred lines of really good code. I just wrote the best presentation ever about this widget you now and this is a real thing too so some people may not like a pomodoro technique. They would rather figure out how to get themselves into flow and do hours of that now. Of course the counter thing is it's really good to not spend like four hours or eight hours sitting still work. Not Eating barely drinking working in a session so you have to balance that you know. This is part of this chapter in part of everyone's advice about work about working. Stints is you need to get up unit move around you to avoid defamed thrombosis by sitting all day. You need to Shake your limbs and and maybe stretching. If it's if you're taking a lunch break a fifteen minute break in the morning or afternoon you go outside. If you're you know most places you can still go out outside of your house even if you allowed to go a far abroad and Move your body breathe. Some air maybe do. Some Yoga stretches we meditate for a five minute meditation. Maybe some people go and do a one hour bike ride on a bike simulator. Those are going to be selling like hotcakes. Them surprised at the net. All sold out now or exercise equipment and their house. This get on that and that GETS THEM WITH THE SHIFT HOURS. Maybe never would have gone to the gym in the middle of the day or used something in your house like that in the middle of the day but this is a new world order right now so maybe you work three and a half hours to do an hour of exercise you eat some lunch. You cool down you come back and do another four and a half or whatever. You're working day with expectations for you are because almost everybody is getting back. You know even if you live five minutes from work you got back ten minutes plus if you live an hour and a half work way you got back three hours you can use that for yourself for sure. I'm talking about doing things for yourself. The Los Actions because of high to juggle your kids and I don't mean literally that's I'm trying to pawn but I to deal with having kids in your space and it's actually quite hard especially if With schools closed. You've got multiple parents who might be working and trying to split their shifts around and come up with ways of 'em of doing it but but as well as looking after your your children you have to look after yourself as well so height you balance those three things you've got your work your ass kids and you've got yourself as well and by who we say case we might be talking not just talk me dependence only so it may be parents or people you caring for my not actual children right. You may right because this is because of these changes. You may have parents living with you. Actually I know it's funny in recent weeks along before before this happened. I talked to various people who said Oh your parents live with we. We bought a house together. My parents living upstairs in their in their eighties. I living downstairs with my child. Oh How's that working out? It's great but it was great before this isolation now it's a new relationship and they were independent before and even parents who are You know the next generation up your. Let's say you're working ager. Twenty to sixty to seventy and your parents are one generation older. They may have been wholly independent before and they many of the retired. If you're living together in some extended family relationship and they're gonNA feel helpless. They're going to be needier. And those occasional calls you got before if they're living if they're living apart now there with you or even if they're upstairs they may happen all the time they may want they may not respect your space as much because they're They're upset and so as a as a parent of children You may also be the you know the parent of your parents. You may have to give parents time and support as well although hopefully they can also provide that role as well. They may be there. You may have grandparents to take care of children where that wasn't an option before some of that too so again. I think it's going to depend on. This is it's almost like you have to do. Pomodoro sprints for your kids to and the younger they are. Obviously the less they can set. You know. Most kids need some kind of regular attention. I have a nephew and niece who as infants and toddlers required the least input of any children. I've ever seen and mine required some of the most input of any children you ever seen and I love them all dearly in the same way. They're different human beings. So you cannot make generalization but you're GONNA have to set some boundaries and the boundaries might be. Daddy needs to work for ten minutes on this. I'll come in. We'll do t after that or it may be You know you have to negotiate with other people in the house or you may do the thing that so many parents don't WanNa do we've been told not to do. You may stick a kid with a video where you wouldn't done that different circumstances say. I'm GonNa let them watch frozen to for the eighty fifth time because I actually got to do this work and that is a reasonable accommodation. Were an extraordinary times. So the old rules. Don't feel yourself as bound. You're not ruining your child's life by giving them occupation while you do something important for the family as well you're not harming them not asking the sand of the quarter and be quiet or you're gonNA come over there wagle your finger at them for two hours and watch frozen tour and it's worth saying is what makes you that. The kids will pick up on your stress and your anxiety as well so rather than going. Oh God can you please just sit you? Sit there and I'll be fine to say. Hey we haven't watched frozen to today. Nobody wants today. I'm Filipino. Meet making fun and and because the kids will love it. You know what could wouldn't want to sit and watch tally 'em so ensuring that you're perhaps not. I'm allowing the distressing anxiety as much as possible. And you're a person to but Not knowing that stress and anxiety that you feel these changed circumstances deplete over your kitchen high with this. Feel if I was my kid and my dad was saying to me a good. Watch one of your favorite films. Which hours I'd be only how that yeah exactly. You'd be confused if you're if you're if you're dot net is scenario was straightly seeing oak. Just please just sit quietly and watch film if you make it fun for them. They'll be delighted and they'll sit quite happily or you know my daughter who's four and a half is basically spent last week sale taping things to other things and and so an answer to your right. I think having the fact that these rules have changed is important but being able to think about it from your kids. Perspective has fueled from their perspective as well as going to be true. And that's true. Whether is a child. So when you care for a parent or someone else also say. This is a great opportunity. I mean I. I am an incurable optimist and I can be a pain in the took us sometimes for people because unlike no no it's there's a great Roz chasse great cartoons. I love she has a cartoon. For many years ago called PIPPI longstocking in Hell and she says No. Glad you know jackets forever. Hey It's really nice. This is a great place to hike. I sometimes a bit like that but I think in the midst of we know people some people are GonNa die. We know some people are GONNA be very L. We're very fortunate. The estimates are that a very small percentage of our overall population. It's so so keeping that in mind there are opportunities because we are forced into and I think for some people spending a lot more time with their kids. And hopefully that's a good thing. Sometimes it can be too much but it's still something they will never forget that you had this period of time. It's going to end because there will be a vaccine. We will all move on. The world will achieve a new sense of normality again. And and that's going to be different. No other generation will look through particularly this kind of thing but I also know you know I don't know do you have this Do you have this in the UK? It's called Take your child to work day. Do you do something like that. I don't think it's really just watch is in the US but some some people will do for sure. It's like that everyday now right. And that's the imagine you did that. Every day it would wear thin in a workplace. But you're not in a workplace you set up your home this way and When when I was a kid my mom I think I must've been of school-age I must been five or older was but there was no child care available and my mother was going to community college. Which was for certificate programs and not like a full university and In the states and she took me into classes and her teachers was like whatever everybody has to do that. Sometimes because there's the nineteen seventies and people are trying to get into the workforce and it was just like it was a thing so I was in a typing class. I was in science class. I sat there and I read books. Learn to type you know and I was a little bit of the of the class. I was the only kid that was brought in this way and not all the time that so I had this experience having to be a child in a little bit of a grownups world with lots of grownups around me and I had a great time because I got exposed. I just loved it right so Megyn menu are today. That's right did. That's why I type so fast I learned at is four. Apparently but the you can bring your kids into work and depending on the age. There's different things you can do. And you might think this is ridiculous. I have a two year old perhaps not but I have a three year old. I'm watching my friend. Matt Bors WHO's traffic cartoonist? And founder of the of the NIB which is a great Comics publication. And he's supposed to pictures of his daughter. Who is I think she's now three ish? She learned to write his name the other day at home and she's drawing he's got his job is kind of this malange up things that he's running but so even a little kid might be there. You might be honey. I need to do not disturb sign. Can you draw? And they might spend three hours with your encouragement. I mean depending on the kid obviously I have older kids. Twelve and fifteen year old and The older is kind of bummed about being school because he has a lot of social things that he's involved in the younger does not like school very much developed their own curriculum but they are already helping me like. We're going to do some plumbing. That's not work related right. But they're gonNA they're The advice about some technical stuff some issues that are better understood by the young So there may be a place for you to have your kid be a little bit in your work without distracting from your work to such an extent that that becomes an issue with work yet. You talk about that in a book really well. I think because Amb you talk about that fine line to balance between in giving them busy work. Just just a distraction by giving them could genuinely be useful and you never know if you have to do a presentation for work. Why Not Torture Kit Obata and get them to come up with your story. Board presentation might be is a not insignificant chance with some blinding magical way of presenting an idea that actually you might you might use. And if you don't it's okay but it's not just about your Chevrolet minute corner and seeing You go some some lines for me. It's the beginning this is creative and the idea of doing a sign for the door. You know my my daughter's dog one for my door here my own business but it might be somebody things. One in 'em powerpoint or an in design or publish it ourselves thing if they're older kid and involving them and this is going to be community key and I I will see from partial point of view. I've actually never been closer to my daughter that I have been with her. Having been home for a couple of weeks is really brought us. Nice Nice cushy. She's affectionate with me. Which is lovely so there. There might be some really good things that come out this in your interpersonal relationships as well as anything else right and I realize. I say this to as I realized it's any listeners. United speaking from relative positions of of privilege. You a because I don't work for a company considered you clearly have a very caring and lovely employer. Who is brewed in the local community? And cares about its people were and I work for myself and I can make a lot of choices that I've been able to. Luckily it's not like I'm sitting. I call myself a ten thousand a year. I don't know if I have even ten thousand dollars but it's but I'm on a scale where I can weather this for a bit and You know right as we are recording this the. Us government is talking about sending out checks to help people in there's small business loans. Like I think I'll be able to weather like I'm not on a precipice and there's other people out there who are and what we're talking about may sound. I don't know if they would have gotten this far. It may sound like grading No figures alleged were right and it's it's rough but I also know a lot of folks are going to be. There's tens of millions of people adjust in the English speaking world. Who can listen to this? Podcast read the book read English. Who and tens of millions or hundreds of millions elsewhere who will be thrust in this position where their job will continue and it is something. That's absolutely important that they maintain it's critical to their mental wellbeing of occupation. We need that unto broader economy. As you said at the start for sure so this is something you know we. We are engaged in a noble pursuit working. But it's both for our benefit and and for society's benefit and so why not I just so this is my ultimate optimus statement is why not take this opportunity because everything's going to change forever so even when things go back to normal unquote every company in the world. Just about that has people who come into a place of work whether or not physically assembling something or need to physically touch each other. You're they're not providing a service for people at the place of work or assembling widgets or a packing boxes right. There's a lot of the world that involves people like that and those many of those companies have said working from home does not work for us. Well what do you know now? It did so now. We get altogether redefine. What that is absolutely Glenn. Thank you so much for joining us. So the business sold cake control of working from home temporarily. Where can people get if you go to take control? Books DOT COM. There is a nice free button to click there and you can download it as absolutely free and has been my pleasure to talk to you and also to share what little I know. And what many generous people including you have contributed to the book about their experience because we are all in this together absolutely. Thank you so much Glen for writing the book and thank you for joining us now for those of you who've been listening. I know this is not the normal podcast year on this show. If you have enjoyed it terrific if you haven't please do let us know as well but I. I hope that you understand that in the old Circumstances find ourselves as a society as a community. Dc Thomson media wanted us to reach out and provide a lot of help through our podcasting channels because we can to help any of you. Who are in the position of suddenly finding yourself working from home for the First Time. Make very basically that transition. You can't if you have tips. Please do share them with this. Bronze podcast social channels. Otherwise just take care of each other. Take care of yourself take your families and we will get through this together. Thank you so much for joining US goodbye.
#549 - Gerald Meerschaert, Don Frye, Jake Ellenberger, and Greg Wilson
"Traps. Trabzon trap, don't. Tunis to. Dot. Talk. WHAT'S UP PODCAST. The Adam Hunter. We got a great show we got weaned dogs here. So Greg Romero Wilson is here the TV you. fucking. Hey listen. Hey, man took you long enough. You're finally. I mean. Like like I say Grow Wilson is One of my top three funniest comics definitely the funniest comedic actor wherever met. Capri Comedians I know. Try the. We got the luggage. Don frye is here with this amazing Wifi. Don Fries actually calling him tonight, he needed for it's GonNa be a great show. Lemberg is going to be joining. US Gerald Mir Shah. We a fucking being. A Great Week my wife and my kid's birthday by my daughter's birthday was on. Friday and we had one friend over because that's how it is. But it was still like the best friend we had we had her like her dance teacher who's like Very attractive and then my. And my friends will I come over a Mug. It'd be Kinda weird to have a bunch of my male single friends at like a one year old birthday party just sitting in the corner. What was her dance teacher there? I'm like no, you fucking perverts. I'm glad you didn't invite a it's so weird to go to one year old's birthday party kid doesn't know it's happening. We don't know we're supposed to drink or do drugs like it's like what kind of a party is this? What were you saying? All right. Thank you that was done. The legend John Frye. The photos of the dance. Yeah, actually I give. Her. A bunch of my friends makes shitty comments. Post them and don't tag her and she'll never know. I ordered. Okay, I. was my wife's birthday to Malibu. was little resort on the beach. It was a great week. It was it was it was great dot. How's your weekend? What did you do? I don't know. I had a good time though I'm sure. What does that shirt say? It said. All. American flag. Anyone would actually try burning the flag off on FRY's. Can you imagine how bad that would go And Greg How you knew. It was good. Man I you know I played poker got drunk those about it. By the way by the way, we I saw pictures of you and your girlfriend on facebook you guys. So normal is she even know who you are. Now I'm trying my best to conceal my actual dog identity is slowly coming out as this relationship progresses I'm trying my best to not let her into this side and you've been together for over a year now, right? Yeah. It's like two and a half years two and a half years. Long Time. Yeah That's Impressive I'm very impressed with Your Buddy. Thank you. So by the way I went to the beach I took pictures of me holding the baby and I like the way my like my upper body, my soldiers look a he doing my stomach looks. So I'm crapping out pictures like a fucking chick like my cropping again. It's so sad it's A. Done. Have you have you lost any of your muscles frightening days. Lost a lot of. Twenty pounds over. Twenty, maybe more. How do you deal with that my? Not very good. Legal. My right side is actually about ten is smaller than my left thigh. Shorter like this you know. Smaller. because. Of the nerve damage that. I didn't know that broken the rods I walked on for two years and. Laura Way. Got It. Got It. Got It. Well, let's talk about some of the fights over the weekend you watch the right. Nobody. What's? Heard. All right. Well, let's talk about the ones that happened last. Helberg Awazem Redcross from. And Don I want to hear your advice doing watching awakes those with. The black beast versus Alexi all nick. You know what I gotTa give the black meets credit because he looked a lot better than he used to be. Physically stronger etcetera serving for thirty minutes. Hey. Also, real there though I really wish guttered. Saying Don. Got? It looks like you're putting their the bacon shirt. Grinding mini. Only approve him. But he said he was in the UFC he has the most knockouts in heavyweight history and he was training thirty minutes a day. How is that possible to be? Used? As like tank Abbott Yeah to give it just got barstool walked at a race line. Jay. Ellen Burger. With that. You think the backbeat was lying. Cars, Jake. Thank you I. It's tough I I don't use being truthful there, but I mean he's a way to win. A way, to make work. Now. Now when alone academy in that like it almost seemed like a head and arm, it's almost hacked he was thinking about tapping. He looked he looked like he couldn't breathe for a minute and. But how tight was that had arm. Tie. It looked looked like he was getting close to tap in their. Annual being the bigger guys. That it makes it a little bit tougher to wiggle out you know compared to the smaller guys. Have your tap to ahead and. Jake have you ever tap to a head and arm? not not that I'm aware of no. I mean Don Frye you'd never tacked to a head and arm right There there been been looking up second put him on so Red? Worry about it. Right now, the what's his name I think it was Paul felder was like the worst part is you're that got his armpit and that's all you. Know I mean. I honestly think that the black beast had not take his camp seriously would've tapped i. think another version of the black piece to that but I think he was like fuck this. I actually trained for this I'm not happy I'm not having. Well said that he was really focused on that cardio too and that's exactly what came into play. Because he was stuck in there for a long time, I'm macy's. I to some happy I'm I'm happy for him. Now I know Curtis Blades call them out. He said he wants to fight Curtis. Blades I think that's a bad fight for a guy would. whipper guy like the black beast because blazes a what an all American wrestler free time or something like the vision to and show me really good wrestler I. think he takes a black piece. That's a bad. Don Is there anywhere in your house that you get better sir. I'm trying to find a partner. Yeah. What about? What have you been airplane mode, but you get better service airplane mode. Completely cuts off all service. Is there any way that he has? A public library or starbucks starbucks. I don't know. Now. I'm welcome. Now Donald Earn your math and you leave the house. L., no baby gets loved me a cover up this pretty face. That sounds right. Now, Greg I'm Greg. If you're out at starbucks, you see Don Frye without a mask what do you say to them? Absolutely nothing. I speak to the manager. The. Don. Don has anybody asked you that per mask on Shit. John. I. I Don. I. Think. Come on at twelve forty five comes on at noon. But I'm not taking a mom talking loved on Friday you whatever you want. With the worst fucking Internet service ever. But I love the guy so much. There's nothing I can do like he's he's. Like gone, there's nothing you can do rock. You're you're just you're the fucking man are you earned this All right. So talk about. Chris wideman now. I'm happy. He won like like I said he was one loss away from bell toward title shot. Would have been it would've been over for him. He looked he's any look sloppy. Look pretty good. He took some fucking shots and walk through them. Yeah. You President is Chin Kinda. Yet he he took. He accepted some punches pretty well, that guy was doing heat too. I was like damn I mean. I could have put anybody down but. I do it wasn't a it wasn't a wasn't a pretty fight. It was it was definitely ugly but a you know he stayed he stayed on ending. You know you could tell the. Met Office getting tired also. No it wasn't. Yeah. Wasn't it wasn't. On fight to watch it was just to do get get his hand raise you know what I mean. So now you're thinking comeback. Like He. Ran For ill. Ask. Because Back, when I was doing pro boxing, you know like I said I won my first sight's and then I lost the last. Thing. To, five, hundred, one or two and six I don't know but then I took. Shit. Ten years off what have you you know would start working for him and I didn't like that. Zab becoming an athlete. And data and I took some good punches. You know it's fine. The Way I think I. got knocked out like five fights in a row or something. He was one by Antony Johnston everyone's like his Chins gone. Then he been fucking fights like five in a row a walk dots. It's it's weird is it isn't the way you're rolling with punches that you've taken less damage sparring. Is it a mental thing? Like what is it? How is someone? How someone's Chin? How does that Work Jake? would. Definitely some psychology there. But I think. It a lot of displacement man like some people can't take a shot on a temple or depending on how the impact is. I think if you if you give us some takes time often really Let Your Body Heal. Greg, have you ever touch interface for? Not. A Kid I'll tell you this the only way my chest. Cut Out CARBS for like nine months. Which which By the way we gotta give a shout out to Vince PA- SHELL OUR OTHER CO host is fighting this Saturday night. Crazy. On the prelims is the Matt craziness came out of nowhere dude he's fighting Jim Miller. This. Saturday night tough fight. Tough fight. We're getting way ahead though I mean, we didn't even talk about the know. Of course of course. But just so you know the last podcast Vince wanted to fight weaned dog. Weaned off jumped on his twitch promoted his twitch and then left the room with s essence twitch is like the worst thing you can do. I mean literally like saying the N. Word I Wanted. Fuck him up. So Vince said, if he wins, he's in a call out weaned dog from the Octagon now. Would be. Everybody would be like what the fuck that this guy just said. The same time. You'll finally get the promo you wanted for your twitch channel exactly dude. He's actually I if he doesn't, he's doing you the biggest favor in the world. Yeah. I told her just to be great for my career. I know he's he said he's going to do it So other other way Bonilla Dare US look fucking the Guy Radetich Monja man now he got poked in the is twice in the fight on right he was really angry by the way every someone pokes in the is Joe Rogan or somebody says they gotta fix the gloves the situation What are they do? What's Your Solution Don fixing the? Organization. You tell them that once you want your hand leaves a certain degree like forty, five degree or a thirty seven degree. Your Husni. You know no more open and. Oban. Strikes that stuff doesn't go. And You know I mean once you're a Bos. It'll straight or semi straight. You Know Pat says point then. You've got closure. and. If it doesn't, then you lose a point at other is do it and you lose a couple points you a couple of sites. You'll start lows you're damn air. Jay Thank. Y- I. Mean. That's that's a tough one. It is because I think a lot of times. It's not intentional but I mean. It's not going to be easy to fix either because once people extent. Even. To defend stuff like that. It's open fingers be I. Think if you're extend your arm, you should have your your hands closed, but it's it's very subjective. It's hard to really do think you should have taken a point from them when he did the second I'm like in the same route. Happen later and no. I don't know sometimes. Sometimes. It's three strikes. Adenoma, I really don't I really that close together I thought he should have taken appoint a away I mean come on he just Just done it. How many times allowed the need somebody when they're down? Once. What was interesting about this by it was that Vince was at beneath got mad and a lot of times you lose your cool. You lose the fight a lot. But in this case, he became the Terminator. He he lost his cool but it worked out for them. Don Have you ever lost or modify? On Don't they so while they ask. The ring girl walked by and. Watch. A. What about you jake? Have Air Lost my cool. Yeah. I'm. I'm sure you know more. So after the fight, like if I I always McColl after fighter, even in the locker, whatever like you know if you're not happy with. Your night but. I stopped it's it's a constant struggle. You know emotional fight I don Frye Wilson have you ever logical and a fight? No. You know. Jordan myself to God. Battery. Yada. So that Don Wilson, how many girls you get her week? comes. JJ BANDAGES Delivers. Of Jiang Manual. And then and then there's the one that I've paid. Glean, a bottom. Oh. Wow that's Three women the week. Sounds like a phone week man sounds like A. Told you about that. All right. On why result asked? Wife. Good fight was mackey Potolo vers Darren. Stewart Darren got the link these. Fights. He look good to man but Hawaiians are so damn talk. What is it about Hawaiians? That are just is it just a culture thing Donatella, Hawaiian? What how Hawaiian? So tough. Those coconut throaty. kindergarten. Jake left. We've now walked the zoom. Right now we're talking about is so that was awesome. Means ten means is a guy that the guy went to jail for drugs which I mean how how bad do you gotta feel right now to be a guy who spent time in jail for drugs when like everything like legal now you know depends on the drugs. Yeah. What are we talking about here? Yes Co.. Done, still pretty big crime. Really I'm not saying I go to join crime say it's still A. Budget. Muted Yourself. which by the way, but he did, I think words I think he went for like math and coke and stuff, and he's had a you don't like about him. Is that like he trains it this is Albuquerque Jackson's Jim. Then there's like this average joes Jim the he trains that with all the outcasts at Albuquerque. which is where Tim means trains are not good means. One man he's a fucking is a good dude, and he also had the guy hurt but didn't blow his why because a lot of times he has guys and he just rushing in and he gets caught up Has. It ever happened when you don the guy? Who Kinda Rush to finish them and then you're like you tired or you get caught. Non. Jew. Busy waved to the girls owner in the ground. Do that How many how many rain girls have you slept with in your life? Geez, how many have been dressed? Know. Now has seems like a lot of t the culture shift girls into like more feminine guys more like kind of nerdy you know poet types has had a. Good. Look at that goes right to you. The way you pick up girls seems like you're like a Clint Eastwood Guy like you go up to girls but the hey Iran on his Moustache Yada Yada where now women might get offended by that. I still. The club and dragging by the their. Old School. Raised Baby. Listen if works you stick with it. Any. Will. Take how many ring girls have you have you slept with? You're talking about A. The Benny fight. and. He Missed Zion people ask me about did they know these betters about betting fights and he missed weight in typically when people miss wait you Kinda like you're not sure how they're gonNA look a lot of lot of times. They come outs whatever you're tired but ring girls. what's that liberals I forgot about? It. So okay. So he this week on. You made this way but he he looked incredible but. That was one of things where it's like you know they usually don't come hand in hand so now. Let they've. Go on. Don. Your boss says, Arner. Mustache. He can't grow. He cares our dear. Little. GonNa have the same problem jake. Don. Wilson have you ever been rejected by girl? Oh get rejected by girls. Girls get approved. Little I reject Glenn. I got a scale in my. Up. How old were you when you? Lucky? Rejected by two legged ones. How you. Die I wilson. About three months tired. Of. Being. Borne. Wow Wow It's hot thousand. In their there. Every all love that. Wow, you got skills you have skills. Now, Kevin Holland fight this dude is like six foot three black dude that like is I think the guy's a star he was talking during the fight and he was saying things like Hey, it's all about one jeopardy in his career and he was commenting the guy while he was getting punched he was in his head so bad he got his head really bad and and then the guy the guy like hidden with like a nut shot or something he goes to what I just wanted to talk. Through this fucking hilarious Kevin. Kevin Hauling Guy. This guy's got a huge future. You're the guy fought two fights in two weeks. The Guy on elephant fight the week before which I think that's too soon to come back. I mean back back that's Kinda early no don. You taking the time off. Is it it. It Burns it really fast. It's you know it's like rousing. We used to be Russell. Five Times During the tournaments and I like. The fights different sport you know it's It's near Lear eating plunges in your Yuri knees and kicks. You don't you don't return that, fast? Yeah. Yeah Yeah what what J. Thoughts about Kevin. Harlan. I didn't see that one. But we talk a lot of the guy had gotten. The other guy's head has anybody. Ever got in your head while talking shit to you. Like during the fight. During the During, the fight he was talking to him constantly. That's that's interesting approach of yeah. That the IPAD. Yeah, you're so folk Attention. Much I. Don't personally I. Don't I'm not talking during the fight. It's. Don to Ken Shamrock. During your. I was talking to mark Coleman during her I didn't do me any good. Were you saying to Mark Coleman Jet Market your tough. Yet. Hebrew into ray was. You said ship mark I thought you were tough is as hard as you could hit two. To Guide it's like was an Olympian. Wrestler who was Allegedly Jack Out of his mind who undefeated superstar at that point. Yeah Wow. Yeah. Wasn't very smart on my part at all. All Right well. Justin Gaines, who took the fight a short notice I was rooting for him. He had the guy arm triangle. The guy's pants fell off. Yeah. You could see total shorts has cammo boxer shorts but I think that helped him get out for some reason it's not. His pants. Helped him escape the well, he was doing a weird wiggle move to get his legs free I. Mean that's that's caused. The pants come off if he was like, you know like like Aquaman. Who was pretty weird. Got Him out Don even wear a cup hundred of Speedo or no. Tell, you might pull her pants off during a fight I, get out of their. Getaway. I don't want to win that bad partner. Greg Are you crying? That's All right. All right. So let's talk about the bell tower fights that went on. Michael Chandler knocked out. Ben Henderson Nan Henderson was looking great of that point he was waiting to fight. That was the Best Henderson we I've seen in a while and he just fucking clipped and. It was over it was over quick. Say I mean, how long are you talking about? The fight lasting. What like a minute He was. himself. A. This you really giving them a lot of credit for surviving a minute and a half. Hey, he was. He was looking pretty good. Man I mean how frustrating is that when when you agree you ever have that I like that you're you're you're you're up and then you get rocked. Oh, plenty plenty of fights where I've been winning in an end up getting caught or something but A. You know it's it's frustrating. It's hard. It's hard deal hardy in a rhythm as white. You're not a fast starter you gotta like start. Get you get a heart a warm up in in start a little quicker than normal harder to get rhythm. All I could think was that you know. Sometimes. Something has your number. You know there's just somebody that has your number two happens in all sports ads every and I feel like that's all Benson under. Thank you how. This motherfucker has my number. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it's true. It's Don. Did you have warm up for your fight to no. Definitely. Yeah I mean you gotta you gotTa. Go to the bar. Refreshing. Rap. Funny ways room for life. And share and then went and fought somebody. Say On the way out. The. Guy. Gets to go. Wow everything about it. That is how most fight start so. Absolutely. Jay Did you break swept for during the warm-up or do you like to be kind of dry. I gotTA, break a sweat sometimes. You're in like Robbie men rob you. He's guys. He doesn't like to typically warm up into. That, I mean for me like I I like to be I like to make myself really get a good sweating. It's Typically a slow starter show. Some guys can just flip the switch and just start fighting but. I gotTA warmed up now well, somebody somebody WHO's joining us. Now who who was warmed up went to Vegas made weight and then got cove it and had to drive back to Missouri from Vegas is Gerald near Chartres amazing fighter One of the guy who was on a WHO's he's a Awesome Awesome fighter looks like a banker You know a guy that you wouldn't think guy that you look at me like guys go to COMECON, but he's a fucking beast. Octagon, how are you? Are you. Talking to me. Yeah How's it going literally? I literally just got cut in an audio as you're saying that slow as. You're a great fighter. and. But what happened you got to Vegas it took a task. COVID. That was pretty much it and it was the most surprising thing about all. That is how many people reached out to me like are you sure you had it like yeah I just fucking magically tested positive twice of my own volition that's definitely what happened So now you drove to Vegas Missouri. From Missouri. From Wisconsin. I drove back to Wisconsin. Yes. Okay. Because you don't want to fly with Kobe. Right right. Right. Right. Right. How did you get a car? The UFC set all that up. So they give me a car. This don't go near anybody you know drive home. Be Safe. On what? You're supposed to Herman. How did your training camp for that fight? I wasn't much of a camp per se i. think like you said, it was like two or three weeks notice something like that and. Yeah Luckily for me. I usually just training your round anyway. So I was already in shape. So you know I felt good. I was ready to go. Didn't really have to cut wakes those was that tool five but kind of came to a whole twin I got test back. Wow. And by the way you hear what Jake Allen, Burger and Don Frye. Greg Wilson weaned were here man I now now when I hear you okay, you said you didn't experience any symptom you feel totally fine. I had a I had like a stuffy nose for two days but outside of that I nothing no fever no aches pains you know which is crazy because I had added a couple of people reach out to me and say that they had similar situations where like all it wasn't a big deal for me. I didn't really experience symptoms and then I had a bunch beal rejoins that manner you're GONNA be alright. Are you know be careful 'cause they had heard about other athletes getting it and they were like in the hospital and bedridden. So it's a weird thing because so many people have so many different experiences but for me luckily I I was fine. Do you, think. There is like all. The. You think it would have affected your performance. I would have thought that night I mean obviously I don't want to give it to anybody. But if they if there was would have been a way that they could let us fight and like. You know if we had a cure or something to take right after guaranteed someway that I wouldn't have given it to someone else I would have fought that night and I'm sure what? Kobe League. We're just. Quarantine League. This have Mike. Fight Whoever Weight Division. With that. Stanford. Yeah. I mean, you could be like the Koba champion versus the regular champion. That's fucking crazy. Now Don now that he has Kobe, you believe this is real. Loser, you I forget it. Okay. Don is absolutely thrilled to be on this podcast right now. Doesn't even know he's on this podcast. So now how? Again You think he's talking to a Hawaii. Are you going to rest up for. I mean I got stuff at my house I've been working out already. Had you know we actually we I don't know if they said anything but we reschedule the fight or at least for agreed to reschedule the fight. So I'm expecting to fight in the near future. So I've still been working out and doing everything like that. All right. Well, listen, we got rid of Jake Don frye Wilson Mir Shark because they were just there are no me for a second to break but yes me and you we dog and I got. When hear good news? Yes. Alright. The hits literally keep on coming from one MA event to the next I can't get enough I love it. Okay and they excitement anticipation. But guess what you have C two, fifty two is no different with two of this fourth most respected fighters seventy, the octagon this weekend is going to be awesome I mean I. Think. This is the best the whole year I honestly I agree there's no better place to get an an all the action then would draftkings the leader in one day fantasy sports for this weekend's fight draftkings is offering new users a free shot at. Million Dollars in total prize I could use a million bucks I mean. Seriously listen people if you haven't tried it yet fantasy anime really easy even weaned all can do it. All right. 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Differs deposit only draftkings minimum five dollars deposit required eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. All guys. Comeback. You're fighting Ed Herman reckon tough tough dude great fighter Jake any advice for a mere shirt when he fights Herman. Jake Kellenberger our. Damn Zoom. and. What was that might has been cutting out sorry was. Did you get Cobra to just now? No. So what he fights at hermit. Have you ever tried that Herman? Okay. So let's give Gerald some tips on how to beat them. So, what's what's Jarrell do? Actually will. Win The wind when you when you when you plan to fight again. I believe September. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Right, he's a sucker for overhand, right Don Frye knows settled there. overhand rights now. By. The way you're you're you're one fight the last night you had against. Darren. Win The paper for your last night last night I didn't go that. Well. I. Caught. Quick. Was that the guy is harder than you thought it was gonna be you're not gonNa Punch what what you could have went better there. The I made a bad read. You know I kind of. Zig. Zag. That was like way too worried about defending the takedown when really. Minnow is wanted to get to his neck a little bit quicker, but he faked take down through over hand and got me in the right spot and I just you know a mis read it and I fell for the fake Oh class Acre and there was a one time that I paid for it. Got It. Got It. Okay. All right. Well, Hey, learn more mistakes. You've had seventy fights. So it's okay. put your fighting. Is Darren win will I was there was Such an amazing fight 'cause they were hyping this guy, this guy is the next big thing and he was kicking your body for two rows and I'm like Nah. Man Gerald is GonNa get them it again and you fuck you got there around you came back i. mean that was that was one of your best fights you think. It was good fight. It was a fun fight I don't understand why everyone thinks I'm losing all the time because even that fight like I lost the first round but the second round it was when I started hurting him to the body and I had them running away from me like why is it every time? Even what I'm doing? Well, Slow White Guy. He's getting this chick out of them after I land like six punches that doesn't make any sense to me I. Don't know maybe because you're like wrapped around the and like stumbling and stuff and like about not getting I don't know I think you were losing I bought it might have been even was even. Kicking his ass I take it back every. Frontal. But that was a that was an awesome fight and then you heard him I'm like, no, don't go to the ground you choke them out quickly. So, that was that was pretty awesome to and who do you think one when a AJ in crystalline billboards watch the yeah. Watch that fight who'd you think out of the? I thought Chris Fight. Yet. Will I okay. I was it was. The, first couple rounds reclose second round was. I I was For Mirror Shard we've got we've got mirroring. Was Getting. Here. Weirdest. Last week. What's Your Question Register? Thanks So yeah. Okay. So you're fighting now, why are you going to five? You don't want to Kuwait. They just offered me a well, what was supposed to be a quick last minute fight they said, hey, you wanNA fight at hermit to a five dollars. I should. Yeah. I'll fight at Hermanez over five months filing me. So really you know he's really eighty five or doesn't want to cut wait anymore and I get it. It sucks he's getting older. He's fought you know. Pretty much as much as I have, which is weird because he's usually I'm the veteran he's been in the UFC longer than I've been fighting. So for me, this is really weird role reversal where he's actually been in the game way longer than I. Have Right. Right. Did you did you drive home by yourself? Yes. All My guy and you weren't worried about driving home with covert and possibly like. Having. The getting sick. I try not to think about it because if it was going to happen, there wasn't much I could do about it but the you know the dry was nice for the first half of it Utah was really a Nice Colorado is nice and then I got to Nebraska Yeah. That's what J. Trump I. What was the Preska? Driving Dinner Brask is the worst is how it is painful. There's nothing to see his flat. There's nothing to see. It's least. Colorado Mountains. You see a thousand miles of cornfields. Pretty much. Yeah Or. now know Gerald now you're married, right? I am what are your wife say your kids they they worried about getting cogan donald have kids yet but my wall, my wife's in was in medical device sales. So she's in hospitals a lot anyway. So it kind of sucks because now she's staying with her sister right now we gotta stay separated because even you know even if I got a negative test immediately after that her job requires that she stays away from me for at least ten days of not two weeks. So I recently got tested again hopefully comes back negative because I feel fine. I've been working out and stuff, and if it doesn't. Just going to be really big pain in the ass I gotta wait another week to take another test. So see what happens. In your wife ten days. Yeah well I've seen her like outside the House and we'll. Talk to each other. Properly social distance with masks on and stuff like we haven't been in the same room or anything for ten days and you can get. Cyprus. How do I get Kobe? That sounds awesome. Today's talking relaxing J. Two or no. Good. Man All right. So you're alone masturbating hanging out in the house angrily all day angrily Juergen off Falkman. Don Any advisor. To come back. It always masturbation Jag and. Apparently. Civilized around. Have you ever met Don. Fried. I haven't. Fun fact, I got a cousin who's really really nerdy and the one connection we have between main him is he's really into Godzilla and I'd never knew this but Don Frye was in Godzilla movie y he told me a story about how Don Frye was that you know he would call into some guy's illich convention and make fun of all the little nerds there. I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Is True. What what do you say to those nerves? Expect. Appreciate their. Money. Remember what I say to people. You of God's that's true. That's true. All right. So m may news. With. A world. So. Thank you appreciate your one of my favorite. So Jeff Neal almost died. He's out of his sucks. This do like knocked out Mike Perry this guys on a roll using killing people he was supposed to fight Neil Magny. He's out of that fight. Now, Neil Magny is fighting Robbie lawler which is a good fight but I was Kinda of looking forward to Jeff Neal fight because lawler has not look the same. In a while who would we like an F.? I? kind of like said, it depends on what's Robbie lawler shows up Yup. When that last one when he fought Covington. He like through two punches the whole fight and it was like dude, just touch them once that's all you gotta do. So hopefully, old Ravi comes back and he slang some hands but. I would think Magni he's going to have a shot. He's just got a backpack and jump on him as soon as you can. Have a WHO's who's been interrupted except for like A. Meyer that might come down at. Is a donny. Okay. Do you have a stroke? In my phone is Right So. Zaire. Roosevelt ear Zaire got hurt. upbeat says he has no balls Zehr you'll get a good taste of my big Mexican balls soon. Enough. Of, that fight I WANNA watch. I think the beat window. I. I think. Beats little seems a little more? Mature I think as Zeh, still he's still young man he's young kid, but he's he's talented but I would give the edge w just from experience being a little more mature. Gerald. Agree. Agree with that I think they're very similar but where your ear does a lot of stuff just for the flash beat throws a lot of stuff in still actually hits you. So like all the spinning jumping moves even if they don't like cracking the the hardest, he's GonNa make contact on everything and you can actually Russell a little bit which I think is going to go a long way in that one Jerry, what was your background by the new high school or? Not I was. You were Jam Band Jazz Pass. So, when did you start training? Soon as I was done with high. Wow. So you had no combat sports experience. No I. So the same time I was in Jazz Band I. Did you know for most of my life? I grew up on a horse farm. So I did a lot of physical activity like I wasn't a weak person but I didn't like fight people so. That's amazing. I work. The fact that you're like ranked the UFC right now and also the fact that you told me, you are five hundred rounds, Ben Aspirin and one one of them. Maybe two or three but at least one for sure that that made me now Ben Aspirin and said, he might come back. He's considering coming back but there have to be under the right conditions. Are No striking Now do you think aspirin can come back? It'd be a while if you did he's still GonNa hip surgery and like. I like obviously I know the guy. But if you see him walk like it affects as gate even not like you know he could probably still fight if he threw together training camp and decided he wanted to do it but. I would think as competitive as person as he is you would want to do it the right way. So he's going to have to get that surgery taking care of first, and then he'll up after awhile and you know they'll go back to talk and all his shit and make a boatload of money for for a sendoff fight, but it'd be A. I don't think it's one hundred percent on the question, but I would say like eighty, five percent, he probably won't come back. Now, my thoughts will ban was always at Ben asking that came out of Bela Tor that just ran through everybody would have went to the UFC become champion people. You're right look good bubble the LA. Now you train with a man, you train them before the Damian. Maya fight. When he kind of his own camp, he was bringing guys to him. He was having Biggie Mike Rhodes who I love. Had Biggie Mike, Roads Be Moss at all which I you know it's a hard. It's a hard sell right there. You, see the difference between how good Astra was. Kinda wear. He was before spike. You back up by claims that he would have been champion had he went after Bella tour? I think as far as momentum probably would have been a little bit better going street from Bell. Tower to the UFC. Not even so much the training and stuff more. More. Again, he would have been coming from a very competitive Baladora and like fighting guys like Douglas Lima and stuff and that crash cough. into another deep talent as opposed to go into one. AFC. and. If we're being honest just the guy he fought not saying he doesn't have fighters but the guys who fought he a kind of a break as far as competition kind of phone it in, and then he came back to the UFC. He did like bringing in a Lotta guys for his camps and stuff. But you know I was there for a lot of training and he he put in a lot of work. It was still just as tough. If not even tougher because you know he had an agenda he was pushing off towards but I think again momentum. Wise. If you don't have that. Lol In hard competition, it's use your keep riding that wave. Than to reignited after you of already had it in your head that you're retired and you had, you know so much easier competition and then I get. We were just talking about it and he went straight from one. 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Don't forget to sign up and take advantage of all the welcome back to sports bonuses bed online your online wagering experts. By Gerald and I know you don't want to talk about this but I don't care See 'em punk right before his first by I texted one of his training partners I said, how's he going to do the personality back? Is that not good? Right? That was like I'd never had anybody that honest do you have a feeling? It wasn't well firm. For which fight for Mickey Gall. Yeah. I figured if they went to the ground, probably wouldn't go that well, but it's like 'cause you know Mickey goals like a brown belt or something at the time you can't just magically make up for Jujitsu who but I I was pretty honest. The says I was like look the guy's been training. He's not that he's not tough I. think if he got in there, made it like a hockey style fight grabbed started slinging hands. A chances anybody but you know. As far as the ground and there's plenty of other guys that are like where they're not that good at the ground and you know if they go down there, probably not going to do that. Well. But that's just one of those things which are you know it's like A. On never threw a kick before he. Literally never through. A little bit different but yeah. All right. So let's talk about the fight. Of. Sure. Every day is I I talked about. Before light but I get the Guy Mad. Respect walking away from. Know, the job in the contract, he had a deputy to give it a shot in now and. It. Didn't work for him but you know he took a chance and you know ninety nine percent of the people this planet. They won't take a chance at anything you know and he gave up a great career to take a dig adverts on a very you know. Volatile opportunity and I didn't work for him but you know he took snow is. I all the world I just wonder if his training partners are as coaches to a took him aside and say listen man. I love you I respect you but. This is too much. You know like this is you know. You'RE GONNA. Get fucking killed out here. Thing is a happy medium between Tom Somebody the truth John. Lewis. They walk on water as you want people who think they walk on water before a flight. You know because if you put one seat of doubt in your mind, you know it'll eat a eat Moi. Jake have you ever told anybody like this is not for you He actually. A four. So like the younger. People who don't really take trainings is have plenty in the gym our kids training that you got to be honest with his. They just don't have rea- A reality becky on fighting when A. Ninety. I would agree it's it's one of those things like you, WanNa. Keep them confident in. It's like with with a sample cases like men it's really hard to make up for time. Know when you got you know how many years Mickey goal had been Doing Jitsu it's like it's hard to make time like that. But you can get somebody in shape you can get somebody throw hands but. You know time is is one of the things you can't get back. Right. Right. So this week this Saturday night, I can't wait for these fights. So we got st favors DC steep as looking ripped. I mean this is not the the fat Chubby CPA. He looks I think quarantine is two ways people either Beijing come monsters or they become drug addicts and and they just fell off the planet Other people are like fuck it and seems like Steve. Bay is taking this really serious and really wants this fight. I think he wins his fight I don't. Think Steve Day is coming in. A learned from his mistakes figure out what to do He's not to avoid DC's wrestling, but he he looks really focused near chartres. I got steep a just by a hair and I think it's because he's more likely to stick to his game plan and DC is more likely to not stick to wrestling as much as I should because I think of just went out there closed the gap, grabbed a hold of them. He can hold them down and beat him up for five hours if you wanted to I, just don't see him stick into that. Dont. Exact. Backley. Our too steep bay now anyways. Weaned. Off. Seven Thirty seven. Thirty seven, thirty, she thinks. that. You know what? Thirty, forty years ago I think it's forty years ago. was. SPITING and he was thirty years old you know they call it the Geezer Caesar's you know. But now fires Emma main fighters. Stride until they're you know in the Middle Thirties especially especially heavyweights. and. Finally I thank I think their brain catches is up with with their their body else and You become. Mentally, attuned to it and your body settled down your brain cells into position defy. Whereas when you're young you just long ago charge charge charge in I think about it. You know. But. News unless Russell to the game. Yeah, I think a couple of things though I think. I think call me has more ways to win I kind of agree with I don't think he's going to be as. As. Disciplined to stick with his game plan But you know even I can go back to ask what I think I think for me and asking her prior to the best wrestlers in the sport Now, discriminate Karma doesn't seem to wrestle that much I. Mean if he if he does choose to to control control, amend stay disciplined on a street he certainly can win that fight but. I am I'm going to stay you think wrestlers don't WanNA wrestle because they know how? Hiring it is now this is knock someone out. Is Fall in love with striking to be honest. I mean don you were a great wrestler, a college wrestler and the Wrestle One bit your last seven five. How Average. No. fiscal you know so. They WANNA THEY WANNA beat people up their game in rather than stigler their their sport. You know and Delay Jeff. That Nick Brogan Dummies is well, if you don't allow them to fight their style, aren't you being them at their style? Yet. Prevent every going to. Gerald Huckabee never did jazz hands as your gimmick that would have been fucking huge everyone in there and you would have done Jazz Hans Gerald Jazz Mir shirt you number one fighter in the world. I don't think anyone does jazz hands anymore. Without one kind of. That's That would have been huge. No I think they would have been like why the fuck is he waving his hands like he's parade. But that could have been your like your your nickname like Gyro game when you have to explain what you're doing the kind of loses that's trying to tell a joke to someone and then explaining why the joke is funny. Actually. All right. So next fight Sean o'malley versus Marlon I'm actually kind of surprised uneven. Is Throwing Molly into this deep water. So quickly because they know they star they got a guy who's like you come up with his own clothing brand this week he's making like millions of dollars so if you don't know o'malley Don He's this guy who looks like. Screech conor McGregor had a baby. He's not just like basically dislike fro different colors. He's got ads he's skipping, but he's got amazing striking and comes from all angles hands down undefeated pothead just like everything that like. Any flashiest spark and it works for so far so far but they haven't been up against a real contender yet. Another putting them up and put them up against his last fight. He knocked out what's name? who was a great fighter, but he's older the firemen. WHO BE ANY WAYLAND? Yeah Eddie wineland anyone is a little longer to as they say but this guy marrying barreling Lavera, who has won five of six never been Kids. How's your eating from and war came from nothing? Who is short talk to me? I think I think cheetos gets in his face and like just too tough for him. Think you'll rough them up a little bit and ended up taking him down if he's if you smart about it because you know o'malley's good at the the mental side I don't know if he likes sets out to be or not but he like. Cares like just little enough we'll talk just enough shit that whole draw people into trying to knock them out, which is what he wants but I think she gets in his face and like engages in a lot of clinching stuff and gets into the mat well now he's good on the ground he. English. King is headed. That California. Oh. Yama. California. Well, molly tapped Takanori Ghomi in a submission match. I mean he's pretty good on the ground. He's no slouch on the ground. So those are the ground. I'm not even sure that there has the advantage. When's the last time talking to? You, Jitsu like two, thousand and three. Listen doesn't matter a I look smart with that fact Helen. Who is this fight? I actually, I liked despite a lot for couple of reasons but Chico she'll. He's tough. I trained to simple four he's pretty well rounded. But I think he's pissed he's really pissed from the last vitamin he thought he had the. In one the fight he's coming know someone else lost but. I need come back with fire. So it's a fun fight although I was I was impressed with the Sean o'malley people like to criticize you know people like, Hey, people that are in the spotlight a little bit but he was impressive bill history was impressive towards CDO i. think that if he can stay in his face and do what he does, he's he's underrating strike in my mind Don. Frye who has this fight? Go to little mic you know. Molly. Nick. A We who wins fight? I'm slightly favouring Marlin. Vera even though he was like a plus to something underdog right now, which I think is a great bet to make if you're GONNA put some money on a fighter I think Marlin is your guy. I'm just worried that Shawn's rain Sean o'malley range is going to be too much or Marlin. So I, do agree with a jake that he oughta guess to get up in there and Wrestle Grind Mon- sense whatever. But I think Marlin get done but I wouldn't be surprised if Sean o'malley does some crazy Conor McGregor esque knockout Tko I'm like that would not be surprised. Marlon Jacobinical plays a vet by the way you said that. fucking fat. I mean, those are some good odds on now by the way mere chartres the couple you had I thought you one. They didn't give it to you. Now. Everyone attacks, your fans your coaches told you. You won the fight. Considered a loss even though you one. My record is lost. It doesn't matter what I think. You know it's. Kinda. It's frustrating to look at won't I'm Kinda over it now but it's frustrating at the time to look back and be like man I should only. Have a couple of losses in the and now my records like almost even. So that Kinda sucks but get really bitch and Moan about it. You know my jobs go in there and finish fights and I didn't finish it. So that's me for one and two I. Still got an opportunity to fight a guy that was in the top fifteen and I kind of you know royally. fucked that up myself so I don't really have anyone to blame. It's you know I still got a big opportunity and I did came up short that time. So He's got does myself off and get back in there and try to make something happen? That's why you are who you are. Okay. Because a lot of guys they'd be like what you're eight and three I'm ten. No. losses. Gerardo Santos who looks like one forty, five pound right now he's bucking ripped I mean I don't know if this is good or bad. A lot of times guys get ripped and they had their worst performance Johnny Hendrix was shredded for one of his fights and like got like murked versus like sometimes guys they look better fat and they do better fat. Not that JD has ever fat but Hilo Chubby, he rose through WHO's coming off. A. Quick knockout he suffered to in Ghana which anyone who seizes he knocks people out but. I don't know about this one 'cause both I don't know who ends his fight I. Mean I have you got knocked out Don. Frye how hard was if you come back? GE's. Said you know I I. I fly lost. lost. What's like fights in boxing ring you know and then I took ten years off so I mean your wife recovered a. Mere start. His fight we like to. Santos are Rosenstein Man I don't really know I. Guess Roses Story has been a little more consistent and GDS? Isn't just GONNA try and run them over I. Think Rosen straight maybe is a little reindeer than J. D. S. but for me that one's a pick em 'cause like I said, news coming off a knockout loss. But again, she is like he's kind of back and forth lately. So I have no idea Don Frye. Is Fighting again. Okay. So this guy roses. Guy This guy was undefeated and he fought in Gano and he got knocked out by in Ghana what before that he was the guy that beat over rain not Raymond like the fifth round but he was losing I think he's from Cameroon right or he from get their own country and Do not. Mario to Nami he. Comes from there. The guy looks like a looks like a monster who try. Go back to age out izzy now. Yes. It. By decade, I mean James got some. Guessing year. Right all right. Jason Go. Go at the Cameroon. Jake yeah I'm I'm kind of leaning towards a was struck his. been a little bit up and down but I mean if it's wait, one shot can really finish fight but some kind of leaning towards it's I'm not confident and I'm a wound towards, but it's fun to watch. We'll see. Okay. Now before we before we sign off. So I'm GonNa, need a share the screen. So this girl in torp. Her name is Valerie the radio and she's a very attractive He's. Got A. Beautiful feature as not now, she's now she's to. I guess he was a taekwondo champion and she's always post these videos, her shaking her ass and grinding and all this stuff and Kinda. You know and other fighters getting mad about it. There was a one fighter that was like come on what we're trying to. You know people take a serious and this is what you're doing and she's coming back at them and I didn't Luke Rock hold tried to the Amer one point than. At all was like get the fuck Outta here she's a Cuban groped. Baladora last week. Now. She about was one and one girl not seem like she was very. Edge she won. She then screamed at her started working did some sexy dance and then fan and thank Jesus then in the in afterwards to this is what she says in. The Post fight thing basically saying she's going to be a champion. She's a world class this that and said that Moscow. Her friends couldn't get it done but she got it done and I'm like, okay first of all I. Didn't mean it that way but my use. Okay on a weak note in. Fight island she photograph that was one and one. Who who was coming off a loss Joe we show her celebration because I want to get don fries opinion of this because. On their on some level I think this is good for the sports he's bringing attention to herself. She's she's she's doing her thing on another level the this was her last celebration the one from A. Put the one I think oh no, this is a this this from this past week doing. This before the fire after the fight, this is for the did the decision or the. Okay. She looks kind of normal here but the one where back. Here it is. Okay. All right. Go on. A little before the. Horse. Just doing this Houston growth face. Okay. Okay. So she lives with Iraq out. Okay. It was a knockout was well. This the whole fights he was running, they called her like, with Cheetah, choose avoiding not running, but it wasn't the most incredible fight you've ever seen but okay all right Joe. Let's see over Iraq. All right. Great overhand. Right A. Good ground and pound. That was nice. That was nice. But then let's Let's see Then she screams the girls face afterwards right after the after the ref gets her off right. Just keep playing jail. All right. So rough gets are off. How how does that repeat soup? You're screaming interface she screen I keep on. Why Be Gone. More, I saw back. over here air. Coming here boom. All right. So she's upset this girl, but she's growth. Okay to the other girls better This is not only that I really was like a little bit like A. The Hold on. Press. Well, where's the screaming? We gotta get more. Better this. All right. So She's putting on her Kimono. To decision. I hear. We're. She not sir out. Keep a gone. Gone. Can I. Do. pull the video. All right. Well, she screams the girl says. There that I like I. Like the best thing I like to tour game what I but I think I think in some ways she's doing too much i. think it's weird that you're having US watch this together. All right. So It probably is. not the out and screamed interface. That was the that was really. When you ever scream in a guy's face after knocking out merger. Joe Okay I haven't yet I. Guess. I'd have to have a pretty pretty good reason but. To date after you know like you said, seventy fights, I haven't done it so. Jake you. After no no, I mean. The move but. I think the sportsmanship. I don't mind. Girl flaunted right is that is that where we're all at if you haven't flaunted sell tickets, create a name for yourself do what you gotta do. Matter how? Is that. Chart. I'm fine with it. I mean they they definitely planned up something requirement even came in there with like a rhinestone out masks they were they were waiting for by celebration. Salt. Don. What's that European this? Is. The. Bears. Cry Anne but? Yes he swings. Real. Nice. A. Reason it were screaming maybe his phone abby that day she was having a bad week of the month. This, I don't. Think he was flying heavy. That was the problem is that A. Little Blow Jesse's. I'm. GonNa I'm GonNa tell ask my wife she's flowing heavy I'm going to see how that goes. But I mean look. The biggest black personally I think she's going to have a problem when she goes against a wrestler because it seems like she's just boys avoids generally for anybody good yet but she's talking a big game she comes from the conor McGregor schools of like Dylan Dance McGregor. Tell everyone you're the best and. you know. That seems to be the way to do it. I mean what's I mean what she said after the thing was you said, I'm an amazing kicker. Amazing Wrestler. Amazing Boxer, I'm GONNA be Champ. Go into Hollywood. I'm going to do every single movie. I'm going to be an artist. I've always had something me inside Valerie. You're going to be a star. You're, GONNA be worldwide. Man I wish I had that confidence. Heard? Take your thoughts. I mean. Good for we'll. We'll see it's like. Set your aspirations I don't know who one of. Taking over the world of man you gotTa Haggle is okay to have that mindset. That we talk yourself before your fights I'm GonNa be a star I'm going to be a Hollywood first of all if you're fighting to be a star, you're fighting for the wrong reasons not good not going to go. Well, that's another the reason to fire people fight actually enjoying love to fight. I mean. Not None of that. Tony Robbins Bullshit know. Rowdy bag. Herbert ready next fight green phase. That's going to be a good fight I. Love to watch it. Yes. I like this whole. Bellcore all like the people that just dylan is no, no UTA eighty, one I. Know. There was a bunch of controversy because. Some people thought. Douglas Cosby being one of the judges. Southwest how instance aj saying you know he had been friends with them you know. At the date, he didn't win the fight I. I had. Two rounds the one. Behind the closest he actually gave him. I know he gave him the second round which. But no, I trained with both guys. I, know I know them both but I still had Chris winning the fight I mean. Look. At fighter. Together? headbutting people is not the way to go. After you lose a fight shake hand. From the middle. Finger I mean like, what? What are you doing? You know? What are you doing? You guys you guys are all trying to Get your excuse. That's not too smart. Yeah right I mean you you you you have. To. Fight. Afterwards I mean you've been barris. Has Talent. Talented fighter but. Also I think that the Diaz brothers. Are. Great at what they do but I guess brothers can fight like a as brothers I think that needs to go to. A better camp that's better for his style of fighting you know putting your hands down talking shit people. Might work when you're yes. Yes. It's not GonNa work with your Aj arm or when you are Chris Whatever Chris. Let's let's not forget the evolution of the of the sport I mean that's eight us. Nick is whatever six years ten years ago maybe but I mean. For? Eight years would attack any of the top ten guys. I mean. One seventy. No. Or keeps you while being people being well rounded I mean. Star of course, he had some big sites of course but I mean, you know if we're if we're making matches based on ranking. I just think sports of all. Your thoughts. I was just getting nervous because you got all excited about that chick fighting a rowdy back and I was looking for like your body lotion pop up on the scrutiny. I noticed was terrified for everybody in that. House. Is going to be a fun fight because rowdy back is a fucking psycho. This girl. She's fucking psychotics. In This. One woman who is not? Good Point. Don. What's your dodger parenting advice from my daughter? Anybody's my daughter to ended up being a good girl, not a slot. Respectable. Once. which apparently parenting advice from. Your Panasonic keep your blows closed. Okay. Wrong Racial Heroes Dryest fucking. Biter I know you're the most dry sense of humor ever. You're hilarious. So right. So you fighting at Herman. As it's tough guy, we can take a punch I used to go entrepreneurs people are we going to? Keep our distance. Did you get to tap mouth or we're going to go fucking nuts? I we're pretty much going to fight in a phone booth because they already got us in a small cage and I, don't know we're both Pretty much mirror images of each other. That I'm southbound, he's Orthodox. So it's GonNa. Be You know we'll slowly walk towards each other just start punching each other in the face until something crazy happens. Plan. Jake why are you laughing? No I love it. I liked this guy. On. More. Keeps it real no, he keeps a real I. Love It. Yeah. Gauges. Thanks Don Don. Now what what, why do you have by the way? What what service you? I'll. I'll never get it. As breaker one nine. W. Baird Rigor one nine Guppy. Prager one nine. Dennis prager. CB Radio Have you ever CB? Radio. Now I know you're a big trump supporter like fry. Are you gonNa vote for trump in. November third. I. Thought about. Getting ready for a fist fight but it's GonNa take in most of the space in my brain right now. Jake, are you going to be trump? At among other talking politics here but. I'm not a supporter of streaky Joe Biden at that. All right. Here we go. Supporter of sleep you heard it here people jake is. D. degrom deep red. A fucking. You can watch. All right. So there you go kidding submits border, and then of course. L.. Fry, are you going to any trump rallies? A. Plain for me. He's GonNa, pick me up on slam there I'll be I'll be guest bigger. Have you ever been or now like the war? I'd be like Galore. Late you are everybody else. You Laugh. Good. would. Well listen guys this is our podcast. It's been real. Jake. What do you have coming up? Another submission grappling against. Hensel Gracie or something. No No. Not yet. Yeah probably in the next September couple months but not not schedule right now I thought you were going to go against Carlos Condit. We were scheduled at one point. It's right when the whole coach started happening in and he said, no, he I mean, he didn't WanNA travel whatever city they kinda was kind of like. That's when I got. A late replacement. But yeah, it's it's still might happen I. Don't know. We'll see if he can you. Know he's. He's a competitor man he said, no. No. We're talking about sites who you think with Lawler Neil Meg. I think Neil Magny Wins I. didn't momentum I mean. You'll magazines such a streaky fighter. He's like mere chartres you wins three he loses to we wins three. and. Then when I think he's in a when he loses. He's just one of those like he's he needs competence. Like he's competent almost no one. is not confident money like gets in his head and Yada Yada. I'll tell you it outside for Hector. Lombard is fighting Kendall Grove in bare knuckle boxing. Really yes I'm the same night Tiago. Is. Fighting Phil Baroni and bare knuckle boxing. Who knows fights near chartres? So I don't know if I remember told this story before but my second fight in the UFC was in Halifax and this is white probably on the tail end of Hector Lombard was still super scary and I saw him get on a the fighter bus with like skinny jeans and a man purse and pretty much ever. Since then I was like you are no longer frightening. You're like five seven and you have a man bag. So I'M GONNA I'm GonNa have Kendall Grove on that one. Wow, cutler we're gonNA you know what? All Right? Okay. What about as far as baroni burst geogra- Elvis. I. I don't think I could ever. Vote for the NBA at any fight that's like not a ride so I guess. Elvis. Brian you. Like I like I'll go. Have you ever worked worked out with him and with him? Now. The meal wedding him dime melted fifteen years ago. Was Entertaining. Jake do we like? Everything legal and bareknuckle boxing. I encouraged so everyone. Accept Ray become the. But definitely. Aronie. Definitely, Hector Lombard. Would we like in this one? Let's see nuts. That's you and I'm I'M A. Candles. Day. Noth-. On the kitchen. I assume bare knuckles got some money. I. Mean. They're they're signing some big guy. Writes they have some money? Yeah I would imagine. I don't know the backer but kindles good friend of mine. I'm GonNa go candle over Hector Lombard. Yeah and then what about BARONI BIRTH SEATTLE? Man Number Onis last bare knuckle boxing. I went for a double edged a couple of times against because lieven did you really and he also came in drunk? Martensson Bar Coleman gave him three shots for the fight and he came in waste it. He's not doing it this time eastern he's training over at Jackson wink is he's he's he's living in Albuquerque. Yes. No phone computer CIGNA's very serious. He doesn't know that I would call them last week he didn't know there was a pandemic. He thought that there was SARS. SARS. Not I'm not kidding. Better I don't mean albums a monster man that's a tough fight anyway you anyway. I'm kind of leaning towards Alves. Was the. Dog. I will pick Phil Baroni because he's such a character I wind succeed I want him to come in drunken that fight a why strung out on heroin and we'd and whatever it is. You know I'll Pixel Brownie then also picked Hector Lombard. So win because he's also just an insane character who I love. Are they testing? No I I think it'd be s pilot test negative. Give you drugs. And then So all right. So final and then finally. Today. I think we're on the show By the way the teacher says, try to burn this. You fucking Asshole to say, no mere start tribe burying this one asshole. You have that sure to or no. I have yet to my collection. Women's prices. It'll make women's is this. Ever, do bare knuckle. Yeah, I've been thinking about. Silverlake back heels I got another year. Of this wheelchair nonsense and then I'm ready to. Agree to start training them to give it a shot. Why did you burn up terrifying? I just assumed that don had already done bare knuckle fights when they were first thing in the wild west. I just figured he was. Knocking. Guys out. There were no black. All right listen guys. Fun. Thank. You guys calm Wednesday. We have Shang. And Hector Lombard the great political debate. Shang is a bleeding liberal at hector cannot be more but trump supporter. This is GonNa go really well. But Thank you I. Know You're very busy. By the way. You're in that room, the dexter goes to kill people. Where he buries people like, where are you? Won't took the plastic down just for you Adam. Thank you. I. Appreciate likes the plastic. Device you. Know what that means A, missing. Thank you, guys. Take care. Guys Bye bye. Guys. To. They did.
Upgrade 278: The 2019 Upgradies
"From relay. FM This is upgrade. And of course these are the upgrade awards for twenty nine thousand nine hundred today show is brought to you by pdf pen from smile while Leno. At Kensington an ethos will be talking about sponsors of this fine prestigious awards event as we go through the proceedings of the evening. My name is Mike Harley and I'm joined joined by my Co Chair in the Upgrades Award Committee Mr Jason's now. Hi Jason Snell. Does that mean we have to like share. A single chair works six one very big chair that I can love. See Okay. That's good that's good. It's these sixth Mike. Sixth annual upgrades have. You said that. Because I can't very good before we begin. Thank you to everybody for the kind words about a lost episode. I'm really pleased. People enjoy the holiday special as much as we enjoyed putting it together. Both me and Jason. What very hot on that that one I think and I'm really pleased that people like because you never show how people are gonNA react right? Yeah I didn't I didn't know 'cause it's like it starts out and it's kind of real but it then it becomes ludicrous as it goes and That that's great. I also my condolences to the people who thought. Oh I much prefer this format. Ah Glad that upgrade is now just going to be cereal every week. 'cause it's not but thank you. Who knows maybe maybe in the future? We'll I definitely know it's not going to be the case but who knows house. Maybe there'd be enough for one we'll say but these are the upgrading awards. Let me explain to you some of the proceedings that we have going on today. This is our sixth year in era that we are doing the upgrades which is a wonderful thing to think about in a very excited that we're here today because I enjoy the upgrades immensely if you want to see both both the information about all of the previous winners and runner ups in every category and links to the winners and runner ups of this year's upgrades go to upgrading DOT COM. They'll dealing shots for. That will not be putting anything else in the show. Notes to avoid a category spoilers. Spoilers Oh yes yes you wouldn't want to Spoil Your own podcast casts. Come on terrible be wild. We will just at this point mentioned that there ought to award winners that are in the hall of fame both if the accidental tech podcast as the favorite podcast and the flop house as the favorite non tech podcast when and when a individual or company or podcast hard cast wins three total upgrades. They'll put into the hall of fame. So they can no longer win in that category is to stop certain shows or winning winning every single year forever And to help us with that we now have been for the last few years opening up the upgrading. Awards to you the up gradients so we can have more variety in voting This was to stop. For example there are certain categories. Either me adjacent. Couldn't pick a different winner in which keep picking the the same thing all the time or couldn't come up many nations for and they'll be some of those throughout the night with me or Jason can't think of something that we particularly would want to award because the of reasons that we'll get to. This is the third time that we've been taking nominations from the upgrades and Jason over one thousand five hundred up. Gradients responded responded this year which is more than double lost. You which is incredible. Thank you to everybody that put nominations in I worked on this for many hours of the holiday break to bring together all of those nominations into some shots and then we could bring out some percentages so as we go through we will be doing a few things in every category so for each category of me and Jason Making them nation and we look at the top three winners as denoted from the upgradings votes. We then hang us all of this information to discuss and choose a win at together You get to head the discussions that usually held behind closed doors of award ceremony panels. And just like if you listen to this show live and you see voting in the chat room where we vote for the titles of every episode is not a democracy around here We choose the winner based on what we think is right as opposed to necessarily what received the most votes so without further. Ado Jason. Should we get into our very first category of the evening I think so i. I did mention the hall of fame. You went past. That dangled out there. That if you get an upgrade three times you're inducted into the hall of fame so we can stop picking can you There are a few there are a few selections that could potentially be made this time. That would put things in the hall of fame. So it's very exciting because we don't know what's GonNa happen we we don't do. We have our choices but we have to all we have to work it all out here. That's that's happening. Live on the podcast. But it's possible we could have some some hall of fame inductees today which is exciting to Although I I do feel like it's basically a punishment for us for stop. Stop picking that. We know you like it. Stop picking it which yeah. Yeah the whole fame by the way if you WANNA find if you go to the upgrades hall of fame and you select view by year. UPGRADE IS DOT com. There is a lifetime time achievement which is put at the top there. There isn't says lifetime achievement is because we very frequently flip between both phrases both left home achievement and hall of fame so there ego maybe we could change it to hall of fame and if you WanNa visit the Physical Hall of fame. It doesn't exist exactly. Maybe one day. Maybe one day maybe one day even package house house. Maybe lifetime achievement is actually the better phrase and is the phrase that we will now use from here on out in the episode lifetime achievement award winners which are eighty and four pounds. Okay so the very very first category today is four the best IOS APP. So Jason would you like to hear what the upgrade ins entered as the best I I s apps of the year I would four point. Six percent of the overall vote is things I guess things three which is the current version of the GDP CD focused application four point six percent of the vote at nine point. Six percent of the vote is Apollo the rhetoric client IOS and a huge twenty twenty seven point four percent I believe this is the single largest percentage of any award winner of the upgrades eighties like vote. Full by the upgrading this year. Yes I just checked yet. So twenty. Seven point four percent is overcast. PODCAST application that many people are probably listening listening to this episode in and that is why one of the reasons why I think of a cost is so heavily picked by listen. So what you're saying. Is that podcast listeners. As like podcast APPs correct that is I think that is twenty seven point four percent for overcast and I will note so you were saying about lifetime. Achievement Award winners. If of a cost is to win this story. Today it will become lifetime achievement award winner as it one in both two thousand fourteen. And Twenty Watt Steering Luscious are in two thousand eighteen. My apologies twenty eighteen and twenty fourteen. So that would put Oklahoma it's overcast as a lifetime achievement award winner. But we have many things to discuss before then including pick Jason for the Best Iowa Sap of the at this. I always struggled with this because there. Are you know. There's so many Iowa App it's a very wide category and I use a bunch of them but there are very personal and I tried. I tried to think more broadly I also try to not pick overcast cause I also use it all all the time to listen to podcasts and it had some really nice upgrades this year that that made it way better. That were really innovative. The Clip Sharing Feature Marco introduced reduced. This year has gotten people to share podcasts audio way more than they used to which is great for podcast. In general other apps have picked the concept. So there's a lot to be said for it but I kept saying to myself. No no no no don't pick overcast. Come on you gotta get something you got to find something else so in the course of writing my book about photos which is available now. I guess take control of photos. The APP the APP that I kept coming back to that it works is exactly exactly what I want on my ipad when I'm doing photo stuff because although photos for IOS is Is Good and getting better. There are things that is unable to do that are just perplexing And also there's this frustration about using third party APPS for photos photos on IOS. Where you end up in the past what it's been as you sort of end up with duplicates of everything so you can you can export a photo and then edit it somewhere else else to get around the fact that it doesn't have good editing tools or it doesn't have some editing tools that you want but then you put it back in photos and it's just like a new photo at the end of the library? Nowhere near the other stuff and a duplicate. Well apple did some changing changes to to make it capable for third party APPs to write to overwrite photos the photo library so that's good and and one APP That I discovered does that and has a really good really easy to use a touch up tool where basically if you If you have a blemish on a person or like your there's a beautiful background and there's some random person walking across it it you literally open this up and move your finger over that that thing you want to remove and it's gone plus there's like machine learning driven ought to adjust and so many other things so my nomination's GonNa be Pixel Mater Photo for ipad as best IOS APP Because it lets me make my photos way better in my photo library on my ipad and that the when I when I started using it I just could not believe it was one of those looking around like do people know about this and I looked like some people knew about it. A lot of people didn't know about it it's really amazing and and And does some stuff that the photos APP just doesn't do but then saves the photos back in to the photo library really good APP so Pixel Mater. Photo is is my nomination. I like that pick a little bit of left. Field Right I don't think it's something that everybody would use a law or even the people that do own it probably don't use. He's a ton but I have saved photos using this APP. Oh Yeah Right. Oh yuck does the I really like but would otherwise be ruined by something. I've done some wild things with the machine. The machine learning to remove things in an image a so so good Like it is like very very shocking. How well it does? And it's very good with the Apple Pencil like to to drawer over an element of the image and what should be deleted very very cool. So it's a great picture of awesome. Yeah it's the the the one that I the blew me away was. I had a picture of my wife and my daughter from our trip to Hawaii this summer. MHM and they're in front of a waterfall at this little little pond. And there's like you know three or four random people at various points in the pond and I in you know a minute with my finger. Turn to that into them and just them at a secluded pond with as like that is so cool and I didn't really it was just like tracing over the people who wanted to remove and then they're gone so so it's pretty remarkable and yes you can salvage voters that would otherwise be unusual usable. It's pretty amazing. So I why these features aren't in photos is a question for another time but I'm so glad glad that Pixel Metro photo exists my favorite Iowa. Sup of this year should be of no surprise to people who follow my work in various various places online. It is time tracking APP called time. Ary so this is an APP for ipad and IPAD I guess and L. S.. We're keeping that by the way IPAD. Os and it will still contain. Does one category. Because they just don't think on Sara Lee enough distinct stink applications right but time Murray is an application that works at the time tracking software. Also contract service. I should say toggle. It's been in development Vietnam was in development for quite a while and came out early this year. It has just a very great design very Iowa is supports. You know all the things that you would want your third party APP to support like when I say the Pike Back Community of good third party apps so it has lots of themes dog and like a great dog multiple an APP icon cong choices and all that kind of stuff. The widget is fantastic. It's this is how I mostly interact with timers which you can set up a bunch of saved saved timers you know so like for example like recording upgrade editing upgrade those like saved in my time rigid so I can just hit those abundant straightaway and the widget. Hits itself has a counter fear current time as you can see that taken away and the application also has fantastic shortcut support so all of my shortcuts. I have that integrate with time tracking in some way so when I'm walking I keep my time tracks when accurate representations of what I'm doing it's important important to me but the way I work but I replaced all of my Shortcuts that integrate with time tracking anyway with shortcuts created by timing I've been able to build old. Some are more powerful than I was able to before using shortcuts and support because so So well done. And it's been an application in really great consistent undevelopment throughout the entire year the developer Joe Does a wonderful job of integrating feedback from uses and advance in the application. A bunch of ways is this description. APP is very well priced and as an is an application. I use all day every day when I am working. Timer is running. It's absolutely fantastic and I love it like right now right right now. I've got my podcast. Recording upgrade time has been running for twenty five minutes and three seconds. Because that's how long we've been on the call today. So how do you know do you have it on the Do you do stuff on the Mac with with toggle to and use something different there or are you using IOS. For All your control toggle. On the MAC. I have the toggle APP. which is terrible but most of the time I will be firing off my timer on my iphone using a shortcut? The I built which it's I'm pretty proud of this shook? It looks at my calendar under and grabs the name of the show. I'm recording and adds that in as a tag in Time Murray with the time racial cots and puts my phone doughnuts sub. So so he's still still using time but via shortcuts as well as just the time wrap itself because that's the kind of power that pass it has the what did the new cuts in conversational. Short is that where you can. You can add in loads of information into a shortcut with variables and stuff supports. That is really just fantastic. I love this up so we send an impasse against anything similar. So I will say on overcast. I was thinking about like overcast. US being the upgradings winner this year I was thinking about the application myself. Of course I is my APP of choice. It comes to podcasts. One of the things I thought about which really kind of solidifies overcast having a good year like a very good year this year is the clip sharing feature which you mentioned Elia like. That was a very very clever feature each implemented very well that I've now seen Used a bunch of podcast apps which is like you know. That's one of the key things to show that you had a good feature as it starts to become a standard. What do you expect and what I would say is for that like they were everywhere when the when the feature debuted in the application and whilst the I would say the current amount of times current usage I see of this feature so sharing little clips videos? It isn't as much as I would love of it to be still being used but it's way more than I thought would still be used as accents like I'm still seeing them all the time. I wish I saw them even more but I'm still seeing them all the time so I will throw my hat in the ring for overcast. Because I do think that that featured this year is very deserving uh of accolade well if we pick overcast here too we have the advantage of putting it in the lifetime achievement category which would make Mukoyama. The I I f. two-time Laugh Cheat lifetime achievement. Award winner which is awesome. Just an interesting thing because he's bought the accidental tech podcast. Yeah it's true it's true. Oh boy now we get the best part of the podcast where we have to decide things Fortunately the this is our last category. Right I think I I think it would be fine given the that clip sharing feature and how important it is. I think thanks to making podcasts. More sharable I use it all the time and I see people using it and and It's a it's a real innovation that was that was that benefited and what we do. And that we use ourselves and it lets us never pick overcast in this category again. Let's do it yeah. I think it's good for if we have something that keeps coming up consistently to put it to give toward it right like people love it. We love it but now it opens the gate of it more forever. The APPS in the future to win this category so the Twenty Nineteen Upgrading Award winner for best APP is overcast. Congratulations ends to Monaco for a second lifetime achievement. When I keep walking more and more new things now to get into other categories maybe the MAC APP and overcast? will now be placed at the hall of fame in might be in Stephen Hawkins' house might be inside Stephen Mac pro and Mike I feel like for next year something to aspire to is when we decide the winner. I think we need like a gong something. Can you work on that. Can you gotTa Gung like you know and the winner is has brong overcast. Rhyming I can not only I can get a real gung if you want to. I can also add gongs in post. Okay why do you want a Gong impost. I'll I'll leave to your discretion. I mean if you do we could just do it again. Say it again now. And then they'll be gung 'cause if I put the Gong in before fort. What make any sense right? I mean this is all great stuff. So why don't we just. Why don't we just say I'm GonNa say it now going in and we'll see if there's a gun there The winner for best. IOS APP overcast. Good right. Yeah thank you. That's what I want. It's just it's very. It feels very formal to have a gong. I you know I like as much pomp and circumstance as possible. I know in these in these episodes. So so congratulations to overcast crossed. All right let's talk about the best newcomer. IOS APP so the best new iris out of the year. The upgrade with five point nine percent voted for flighty. Which is the flight tracking application six point two percent my love Thai Murray and seven percent Disney? Plus have you got for the best newcomer of the year plus a surprise to me. Yeah because it's not. My understanding is not great APP but people found at the service I guess yeah and I am going to. I feel like I'm just pulling up in my car and firing off an air horn here just to bothering everybody but I do that sometimes when I nominate things for the upgrades 'cause I like to. I like to occasionally be provocative and we waited for it and we waited for it and we waited for it a a new. IOS APP for a year for more than a year. We waited for it and then it arrived. And you know it's pretty good. It's got a lot of work to do. It's actually. It's actually pretty good and it's nice that it's here it's photoshop. It's a job. Yeah Yeah I'm doing it. I'm saying I I made a dumb Photo shopped image on my ipad sitting on my couch with layers and stuff and it all it all worked mm-hmm and I'm glad that it's there. And I'm glad that Adobe building it and I think it's a big deal that they have embraced the IPAD as a real platform for For their users instead of making these weird toy APPs phone apps that they were making before. So yeah there it is. It's photoshop it's a full full photoshop. Not Actually Full I. I don't really know what to say about this. 'cause like the application itself I get it right I get your point it exists. It's now and is kind of good but it has been marred in controversy controversy of not being good enough right like. That's the interesting thing about this application. But this isn't new I do. It's news and it's the best I have a couple of APPS here I am thinking about So of course I will put time and again right. I thought time Ray was the best of the year and it was new this year. So that's definitely in the bio so I wanted to throw him for contention attention and application. I really enjoy trixie. which is Like a trip itinerary application It's very IOS's ver- like bill virus. Thirteen it looks beautiful. and has that kind of designed to and it's a very nice application to help you plan out trips that you're going on you can you can't afford Itinerary information to it so so like hotels and flights you can fold them by email and it will put them in today ten areas up in the APP so for every trip that you do you can have its own little section and you can add in documents documents and PDF's and stuff of maybe receipts that you've got boarding cards you can add also has like an inbuilt directory of places and Events Dance so you can say like oh I wanna go to this place when I go to this country or whatever so it's a very nice Ville application like a lot but it doesn't beat time Arifa me as my favorite newcomer. Iowa's up the so that's where I am. I have no opinion on Disney. Plus because I can't use as a which may be very hesitant to want to award it Even though it was the upgradings pick I've really WANNA pull a timer on this one Jason. I was GONNA say I have no opinion about time because I don't track my time or or perhaps because I live outside of your concept of space and time But suffice to say it was second place in the upgradings vote and it was your choice and it sounds great and it's new and I love it so that's enough for me. I've done my job in nominating. The runners up for the best newcomer Iowa Sap Apple Disney plus and photoshop with the winner of the best newcomer. IOS APP of two thousand nineteen being timely. Very pleased about that. When I did realize also also can they upgraded? This is obviously one of the categories. You could never be. There can never be a lifetime achievement which is kind of fun so we now move into the Category that spawned the entire creation of having the upgrades assist us in voting. That is the best MAC APP because there was a year when neither of US could think of one of the best new both the best Mac and best new MAC APP. We needed the help wrong gradients so the up gradients voted thusly for the best MAC APP currently available only focus four percent of the vote. Four point one percent of the vote one password and four point eight percent of the vote. Vote is things for close. There were lots and lots is one of the categories that had the most like individual nominations which is not surprising pricing because there are lots and lots of caps available. I will say at this point. Jason I have no real feeling of picking a winner in this category aggressive rehab a nomination of my own This year I don't really feel any great affinity for any application And so I I want to go to you on this one. What is your favorite Matt Camp? This year so I decided again again to not nominate the same old things my own little hall of Fame Right My own little lifetime achievement awards. Where like you know? I'M NOT GONNA pick logic or final cut or Bvi. Yeah this is my thing I was coming to. I've picked too much like logic audio hijack like I just feel like I'm playing the hits you you know exactly which there's nothing wrong with having a strong Songbook but WANNA do something new so this year so I I do when I do uncomfortable t shirts and some of the art work I occasionally need to use a adobe illustrator because I have love outlines the vector files with art the the show art and the show logos. And I don't do that much and I'm not creating my own art. I'm really using it to kind of remove layers and move things around and export files and certain certain sizes and certain formats and catalina came out this year and I have. I don't use illustrator enough for to pay. You know a large amount of money to adobe in order to use it twice a year right because you'll version was the non creative club so so I had cs five. which was which? I got like very very long time ago and just kept laying around because I only ever needed it once or twice a year for illustrator. And I I do pay for creative cloud but Just ask for Photoshop and illustrate just it makes sense to to to pay for it. And this year Catalina comes out and I think oh no it's not gonna work anymore Camila straighter cs five anymore. I tried to put it in a virtual machine. It's like oh it's sort of doesn't wanNA open files and it's really slow and it's really weird appeared and I'm running a whole virtual machine just to run this and my friend Antony Johnston who is an illustrator user from way back this this year was telling me how he has now switched to the affinity APPs from Sarah. And that if I really wanted to you do this right. I would just go and buy affinity designer which is a one time purchase for I wanNA say fifty dollars. Yeah yeah that seems about right and then I will have that for yes for fifty dollars. It might have been on sale when I bought it but then I'll have a native modern APP. That does everything that illustrator did that I needed to do. And then I can keep that. Because because that is not a subscription and that is going to presumably work for quite a while and and fifty dollars once as opposed to spending you know hundred or more two hundred dollars a year for thing. I only need twice. And it's great and those affinity apps are all really good and it really does adobe. It'll be I want to say it puts it. It'll be the shame. That's not quite right because adobe business is very different and adobe is a little like Microsoft right where Microsoft has the burden of having so many customers that the decisions they make are kind of ponderous and careful because they have to be whereas affinity is is actually a little like apple was back in the day whereas they're the upstart and they can just make their decisions to do it but regardless affinity designer really. Impress me this year. Which is why I'm GONNA nominate because it took me out of an APP that I've been using occasionally for a very long time and that's on a subscription model? Now where I it's not relevant for me anymore and this is a great replacement for it so I was super impressed with affinity designer and affinity stuff in general from Sarah. I'm one hundred percent abortive. Given that the win. Okay let's Let's get things one poss- on new focus. Well I'M GONNA focus three was new in either very very very late twenty eighteen or very very very early two thousand nineteen so I could see an argument for on focus three even though I don't use it because again exist outside of the three. I know you're right. Sorry Don I only focus three things three that. But here's here's my thing. Awesome those applications. They come up all the time right things actually three. He was in two thousand eighteen and they did some updates this year but yet they come up constantly. Right yes I will admit Neva Omni focus or things have one But the reason that I feel this way I think that affinity are very cool. New Exciting exciting company who also do a great job of making really powerful IPAD software as well like that complement these applications and they have a whole suite of products. And I think it's very. I think that they are cool company that I think I would like to give an award to. That's my thinking. Okay I love only focus. I love things. Does applications really well made. But they've been around for a while and there's just something about it to me like a Finnish. Designer is a core application as building on like a trend that exists now And I think it would be really great to give them the win. They'll let's do do it all right so affinity designer wins the best Mac at in twenty nineteen with things being the runner up. That was good the one manure up because I I didn't have a pick so we're now move into another applicant and of our application category that I'm afraid I have even less picks full. which is the the best newcomer Mac cap now? I was interested this year to wonder if we begin to see any catalyst APPs category gory. We will see the up. Gradients voted for affinity publisher of five point. Nine percent of the vote is that what is affinity publisher. That's basically soclean design. Work lacks breasts. Page layout right out and that was then you eight point. Three percent is for net news wire which is an application. I believe is not available. Putt what is a Beta right. The final this machias final though Betas for Allah's okay net newswire eight point three percent of the vote and draughts at sixteen in point two percent of the vote which is a classic Iowa's at new for the MAC this year which funnily enough I would just stay just a kind of a peculiar. Thanks for that. Just mentioned a moment ago drafts. Five won the best newcomer MAC APP upgrading in two thousand eighteen because it was in Beta yes so so it is technically still eligible because it is now available application but will be super weird for the gory. You can't win the news newcomer award twice Sir. You can't do it. That is where we are. But let's talk about your high. I struggled because there aren't a a lot of new MAC APPS that's part of the problem in a year when they should have been loss would be part of the problem the catalyst was supposed to solve. I do have a couple of cadillacs absolute like to nominate. But I I'm also going to mention that newswire. That newswire has a long history. You Know Brent. Simmons wrote news wire You know he went and worked at At News gator for a while the APP got sold the Black Pixel And then then I wanNA say in twenty eighteen the source code and the rights to the name were given back to Brent and he decided to starting at news wire five I think again as a as an open source project so open source and he's managing the project but people other people can and are contributing attributing and He wrote actually really good blog. Post about how open. Sores doesn't mean that they don't have standards and that you can just sort of do whatever like he's running running the show and he has nobody. I would guess other than maybe Dave Winer. Nobody has thought more for for a longer about RSS and RSS Apps than Brent like it is part of his soul and That new news wire out for the MAC that That is now a out and yes. It's free it's open source. It's really good. There are other our readers. It's not as full feature to some of the other raiders like reader. That are out there but it's really good. There's no one version two and I think there's something to be said for Brent's commitment admit to making great apps and great maps to net newswire to bringing it back to building in this new way of having an open source project that he's running instead of it being what what it was before which is a commercial APP essentially traditional commercial APP. So I think it's worth considering that newswire strongly because although it's not new it's also new completely new but old name old APP but new APP new code. I have two others that I'm GONNA mentioned one not seriously in one more seriously than our catalyst apps friend of the show. James Thomson wrote a stupid brilliant. Sorry I didn't mean stoop well I did but also brilliant. He's stupidly wrote a brilliant APP. How about that because we play dungeons and dragons with him this this year? And we'RE ASK WE'RE SAYING WHY isn't there a dice APP and Jin. James got that glint in his eye like he used to about the about box and P calc where he wrote a complete like multilevel game and diced by peacock was born and it's shipped and it is a catalyst APP so it works on the Mac even though he he wrote initially for Ios it was his test of catalyst and is a beautiful. Three D rendered dice rolling. Up with things you can customize and it it inconsequential because it's just a dice rolling up yes. Is it really well done. And shows you a longtime Mac developer trying to figure out how catalyst Works and how you can make it work better as a MAC APP. Yes it's so it's as silly as that APP is one we were involved in its creation which is great and and And I think it's a great example so by peacock I wanNA nominate and more seriously There's an APP called look up. which is a dictionary apple? That is a catalyst APP. It was an Iowa sat before And it is one of the best implemented catalyst APPS. The developer deeper has taken Squirrel apps they have taken great. CARE in trying to make it feel like Not just just to kind of an APP and a window but have menus and other behaviors that feel very mac like and it's yes. It's just a dictionary APP but It's really well done so those those are sort of my nominees. I think I wanna say that by Pekao because a runner up just because I want to do that so okay that we go and so I guess for winner looking at what we've got here think would go with net news while right I think so. I think that's the right thing to do. I agree that we see. We shouldn't award drops again in the newcomer category because that goes to the heart of our process S. right like the the the whole the integrity of the upgrades would be questioned if some apples best newcomer twice make any sense so the runaround trump for the best new comeback APP of two thousand nineteen is diced by P CALC and the winner is net news. Wire five congratulations to Brent and open source people apple and contributors. Yeah good point good point good point so that concludes all of the APP. Awards that we have and we're going to be moving into talking about media next but before we do. I want to thank the first sponsor of the upgrade is a twenty nineteen and that is pdf pen from smile. PDF PENN is the eleven is the ultimate tool for editing. PDF's on the Mac pdf eleven point. Two let's you easily edit the content in table cells in a PDF. You can change typeface font size and text formatting with pdf pens font bar as well this is a wild application things that you're able to do to PDF documents PDF. It blows my mind all the time you can add or remove images from your documents. PDF pen you can add. headers footers and watermarks. PDF PEM FOR MAC supports Catalina and PDF AF pamphlet. IPAD and IPHONE is starting ready. I use PDF pen on my IOS devices constantly. 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Why the up gradients voted this way? Now as is typical with this category best game typically means console game but Jason Jose Non Console Game Player. Yes you usually go in the category which is perfectly valid. Have you done so for twenty nineteen. Yes I have. This is going to give away my best. IOS Game nomination. But I'm going to. I'm going to throw it in here and this is what happens every year Mike. It's a it's a a great upgrades tradition. I nominate something. That is not appropriate. You choose the winner and we move on with our lives okay. What is your as you know what I was saying? Don't give too much at the moment. What is your game of the year? I say much to my own surprise. It's what the Gulf okay. Let's pause on. What the Gulf for the moment spoiler alert? It's it's also my IOS game. WHOA crazy my game of the year? Eh Is Pokemon slugged shield. It is a game with a lot of controversy around which I'm not going to get into right now But it is I think just fantastic entrance into series Especially for the first ever home console version of POK. Mon brings a lot of interesting developments to the series and I think he's a great starting point four pokomo going into the future as fought for about a different kind of game which isn't necessarily going to be hand hand held first anymore as it has been for the lost twenty years so pokemon sodden. Showed is my favorite game of the year. It was second in the up gradients. So it's going to take the victory of Pokemon Sword and shield which is good. I love it because Pokemon one last year as well pokemon. Let's go so Polka Massad and showed is the the upgrading winner for two hundred nineteen With untitled goose game and what the Gulf as the runs up. Sounds fine to me. So so Jason. Let's talk about our favorite. IOS Games of the new. Oh tell me. More Ness is interesting to me because all of the Yup gradients votes. What Apple Cake Games? Sinar wild hunts eight point seven percent. Eight point eight percent for many motorways and fifteen fifteen point nine percent for what the Gulf What the golf? Well the Gulf are the upgradings are with me in loving what the Gulf what the Gulf is when they announced abl arcade and they said Oh. And there's this Gulf game I was like Oh boy. Yeah Golf Game Great. It's amazing Mason. That's the bottom line is i. I don't care about Golf Games. I have played good golf games. District Golfing is good The whole Noodle Oh cake superstock man. Golf game is hilarious and good there. Three of them. Now but it's it feels a little tired As a genre and I've seen a lot of it but that's the whole point of what the Gulf is that it's essentially a satire of Gulf Games and then very quickly becomes a satire of every other kind of game you can think of and part of the joy of playing it is realizing what this level wants you to do and how it's like some other games so there are references to so so many different games within what the Gulf plus the plus. It's a fun game and it is incredibly rare for me to to not just play a game through but then to try and go back one hundred percent and I failed but I did try. I think I got like ninety eight percent with what the Gulf it is hilarious and challenging and fun and dumb and funny and much to my surprise when I expected that the the launch game that I would like the most was many motorways. The sequel to to mini Metro. In fact it was what the Gulf so I'm I'm with the gradients in praising the Gulf and I'm with everybody it is the best Apple cake game. I played this year and the most of the Games played this year. Aw Apple Arcade Games and I've enjoyed many and we spoken about them on the show. But what the Gulf is the most surprising and most fun of all of the tiles else. I've played so far so we are in complete agreement which means no run up the winner of the best. IOS Game of the year is what the Gulf the Golf Golf. What the graver movie? They aren't moving. This is a weird one this year. We'll get to so up. Gradients voted at one point. Two percent of the vote once upon a time in Hollywood a one point four percent of the vote knives out six percent of the vote adventures in game so few interesting things that happened here. Not There was lots of options. No Huge Star Wars did not rank very highly prized. It's an interesting thing. Where typically like the star wars movies? Come out very close to the upgrades but people people still get the votes in love so much. Usually they will get up there but this year that did not happen for. I think some interesting reasons and things. Maybe we don't need to get into right now but that that's kind of where we are with the movies. I don't think that this year like looking back at previous years was as strong a year the F. movies as previous upgrade e award-winning years as being you are someone who is much more plugged into this world. You agree with that. Yeah I do. I didn't see that many movies is this year and you could take that as an indictment of the movies that there was nothing out there. There were not a lot of things that prompted me to get out there. It's also an indictment of me for being a bad movie goer. I don't go out to see movies that often I just don't there's logistics of like. Do I WANNA go see. I can go see a movie whenever I want. But if it's a movie that I wanna see and you you know I probably want to see it with my family or with my wife and and so then it's like well let's just wait until and then we never have time that we can do it. It would be much different if like literally the rest of my family said. We never want to see a movie. I can be like all right well. I'm going to go see this movie. But that's not the case and so it's ironic kind kind of like thing where I'm I'm because I want to see it but I want to see it with my family. I don't see it. Maybe I see it later when it comes out. This is pretty much my exact problem too. I haven't seen I've really wanted to see knives out on me to see it. Yeah we all agree that we should go see it and it just. It hasn't yet happened. That said I I'm going. We we tend to pick Very a big crowd-pleasing this is not a serious movie review podcast award. This is a crowd pleasing nerd usually movie award and I actually in that context of the fact that we've picked star wars movies and marvel movies in the past for this award like exclusively. I'm actually going going to pick the vendors endgame and I'm GonNa do it because and this is a if you read this as me taking a little bit of a shot at the new star wars movie it is. I don't hate the New Star Wars movie. They have a whole podcast where we talked about for two and a half hours you can go. Listen to the incomparable but it has issues some serious issues and if you enjoy great and if you didn't enjoy it I understand. I'm kind of neither of those. But this is not about star wars. My point here is innings are hard star wars trying to do. An ending is very hard. Because they're trying to wrap up all these movies over the course of decades and everybody's childhood and and all of those things that all said ventures in game has to wrap up the storylines of twenty plus marvel movies and although in some ways that was an easier task because of the space it it takes in our brains to something like Star Wars I. It's so easy to just kind of brush it off and be like. Oh Yeah. It's a marvel movie and it made billions of dollars in whatever so like no adventures in game actually really worked and coming out of the the end of infinity war which was a cliffhanger essentially also kind of a Downer they have to pick up the ball and they have to get the band back together and they have to tell a an emotionally fulfilling and exciting citing story that resolves the storyline of a lot of characters. And do it in in this case in three hours which you know the fact was it was an entertaining movie at three hours I think it is worth recognising vendors. Endgame for successfully landing more or less an enormous franchise movie in a way that was was not soul-crushing and was actually kind of emotionally fulfilling. I think it's I think it's a real achievement. Sort of the same kind of achievement. The original avengers movie was in feeling like a corporate cash. Grab that turned out to actually be a good movie Despite like no possibility that that was the case so I think it's worth as it recedes into the view a little bit giving a nod to adventures in game. This is the kind of movie that we give these awards to and and they nailed it so I yeah I My winners events in game two I think vengeance endgame did a better job of being stall walls. Then stall worsted this year it was faced of all of at the same challenges that the stalls movie was faced with like like all the things. You've mentioned right wrapping up a huge franchise with a ton of baggage and loose ends to tie up or at least to try the best atop and also to bounce back from a movie that wasn't as enjoyed by a lot of the fandom because it was like a real Downer as you mentioned right and vendors nailed it like the way I felt in that avengers movies how I should've felt what ching rises skywalker. Okay and didn't like I cried for three hours watching the event as movie. I was crying constantly like the film. Hit me it made me realize. Is that the avengers movies for me. A more like the way the you and some friends feel about star wars because I grew up with the avengers movies right like for the time that they've been going on. I've been watching them all as they've been coming out like I came to star wars as a kid off off the woods right like my foot. The first time I saw star wars was when they released the special editions. VHS Like they were the first dolls movies. I saw it because that was when I could have seen them. When else would house when I have seen them right? Saddam Hussein Time Machine Asoka point. There's no time travel in Star Wars. Actually that's one place they haven't gone yet but let me just say kind of like my own spokesperson about the chance to speak about this kind of please as we didn't set a Mike and the movies because my feeling on on the the solid movie this year was kind of like okay like was fine movie but but it did not give me what I was looking for in a like big conclusion. Kind of just like I washed over me a bit right or just like that was a nice movie. But that's not what I want. Ouster was moving because the loss to succeeded for me. Mole IMM being being these big emotional Cathartic things and I feel like this movie was just like two hours of Fan Service. That didn't connect with me but it was a fine movie like I don't think he was bad but it just didn't give me the kick that I wanted but eventually endgame did. I loved them so eventually game will win the upgrade for this year so again there unanimous decision my completely off base about Star Wars. I haven't listened to the incomparable yet. So I'm excited to kind of hear what you have to say. No you're you're when you're not although we get complaints because people have opinions and They disagree and they're outraged that we don't agree with them I will take is a measured take to Some people really liked it. Some people didn't like it as much I'm on. They didn't like it as much side. I think it's a without again going too far into it. It I think as a movie it kind of doesn't work. I think as a series of of check boxes to finish a franchise. It does the job job but I I actually sat through one of the reasons that I appreciate avengers. Endgame more now is they took three hours and they gave give it some space to have a lot of emotional weight and a lot of character moments as well as the action stuff and The Star Wars worst movie is two hours twenty or something and doesn't stop for those moments as much as it should and I thought to myself this should have either been to movies or part one and two or it should have been three hours long and done what endgame did. And it didn't do either and I think it's the I for it. So some people do some people hate it. Some people like it and I satisfy no one. I'm sort of with you. which is yeah? I you think you're allowed to hate this movie. You're allowed to love this movie and that is our like you weren't thing I just fell bang in the middle in it like Yup. The take you're allowed to. You're allowed to feel bang in the middle about. That's the thing is that people who hated don't often will the only thing that anyone else's allowed to have a different opinion on it or to be in between on it. It's like you're allowed. I want to be in between on. It makes total say that for a lot of people that love it. They think you're not allowed to have another opinion on either. Yes thank God is also true. No it's no. It's well people who are full of hate in their hearts are going to be more annoying about it than people who were full of Love Arts but yes you're right extreme don't like non extreme opinions you even the have stall was universe you have the dark side and the light side the regular people and we're just regular people installers. We're in the gray the gray zone here. Yeah let's talk about TV. Mike All TV s do this. I'm excited about this category. 'cause it's been a fantastic year television. The upgradings vote thusly in and the television category. Eight point. Four percent for mankind twelve. Point one percent watchmen and fourteen point two percent demand Laurean similarly similarly to Disney Disney plus. I can't talk about the LAUREAN and don't want to let my lorraine because watch until March. It's real good and I didn't put would it on my top ten list but I might have revised it and put it on after the last couple of episodes because I think it finished very very strongly very excited to see that. Show Jason Germany. Tell me what your favorite television show. The year is like I don't already know yeah number. It was number one on my list and while I really enjoyed the middle oriented and I had for all mankind my top ten Dan and there's an episode of TV Talk Machine where I listed my top ten shows of the year and forgot the magicians which probably should have been on their number one watchman on Hbo Damon Lindelof a sequel to the Classic Comic Book Series by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons that was setting eighties this is set in the present day. Nine episodes episodes manages to do individual episodes that are spectacular and ongoing storyline. That is very meaningful in terms of its themes. It has a point point of view as the original did. It is actually very strongly political in certain ways as the original was is it. It's structured similarly to the original as well it's sort of like a second storyline. That's happening in parallel. It's got a big slam bang ending. That is very sci-fi after a sort of Gritty Nuwara mystery beginning. I see what you're doing there and it was juice is a spectacularly magic. I could never have imagined that it would have been successful as it was when it was announced I thought what are they doing like present day and new characters actors. And it's an Oklahoma. And what's going on. No they nailed it. It's amazing Will have a second season. Nobody knows it may not. It doesn't need one if they have great idea to do another season of it. Great but this one was perfect. Yeah I absolutely adore watchmen. It's on my my list. My list is lodge and I want to talk about other things somewhere list. But we'll come back to Washington in a minute I discovered terrace house in Twenty nineteen and and I absolutely adore the television show. It is Japanese reality show. It is all warming and fascinating and wonderful it's on net flicks. Six Net flicks revived. Show it was a Japanese television show that had been cancelled in Netflix sport. Back in it's now worldwide on on that flex not not just in Japan. It's not like one of these shows that they Bring you know like from from Another network provided they like completely revived it. And it's now a netflix original. And I don't really know how to describe. It is unlike any other reality television. Show that you've seen before like it is pretty much romance based but I don't want to say it's a dating reality show because it's more than that but it is a beautiful slice into the average life of a young person in in Japan. It's a house where six people live together. But they can come and go. They don't they're not locked into the house. There are no confessionals. They're just living their lives. The cameras cameras are on pretty much all the time. But you don't get to see everything. There are not cameras everywhere in the house either. So they're able to have moments that occur in the show that referenced by the characters but you never get to see them like conversations. That may have happened that can add to some additional interesting drama for the show and there is is also my favorite thing. There is a kind of a group of observers like presents us of the show who are watching along and they take breaks three times during the episode for them. Mm to comment on what they have seen fascinating way of doing it. I absolutely love this TV show. If that all seems interesting to you in any way go back and watch the first. Commit yourself to like three episodes of the first season on Netflix which is cool boys and goes in the city city. Just it's all Japanese subtitles. You can get used. I got used to it Just give it a go absolutely love this. Show my favorite a show from Apple. This year was for mankind. Yeah that's the one that made my top ten lists to although I'm still going through the morning show and it's good but For mankind is the one that that I think. They did a really great job in their first season. I would say whatever they do next both shows. And there's no there are no spoilers take both shows before mankind and the morning show very good in both get rockets strapped to them metaphorical ones of the end and of the shows. Yeah literally early in the case of for all mankind but yeah and so I really really loved the end of. I loved the way that the morning show ended And I also it's it can be difficult and places this is before all mankind has a pretty fascinating and fantastic ending. It's very dramatic Yoshio dramatic in ways. I wasn't expecting I was expecting the morning. Show to high-drama one but I think for a mankind succeeds in that as really really well done. Eighty is definitely apples crown jewel And I'm surprised isn't the show that was getting nominations Golden Globes. Nominations seemed to be all in the pocket of Of the morning show but not from kind The BON APETIT YouTube channel. Just amazing It is the the food magazine APETITE. They have a wonderful youtube channel with two crowning achievement. Shows to me A show called it's alive and show cocoa makes it's alive of Bradley owning is if you were to say what is this show. It is a show about about feminine food but like ignore that it is hilarious. Bradley owning is just this wonderful. bumbling human who just says does hilarious is things. The editing is. Fantastic just try it. Wonderful Gourmet makes hosted by class efforts. She is a pastry chef. Who Takes a popular candy or food item And tries to recreate it in a gourmet. These two shows a full of heart full of just really just wholesome wonderful content just just out both these two seasons the entire channel was fantastic and there's a lot more content on it but these two shows the absolute powerhouses like multiple millions of views per episode kind of power. Oh houses for things that sometimes before you five minutes they have like. I've I've read a bunch of stuff about it and it's totally true but apetit on the success story at the pivot to video like one apetite magazines the pivot to video along with Revenue Media Company. And it mostly didn't work for companies it. One one hundred percent worked for one APETIT is actually propelled the magazine to new places so wonderful but my favorite television. Show the years watchmen. I was expecting great things hug. Racing's it blew my mind just unbelievable television show since you listed some some runners up. I'll do the same The four other shows in my top five that I think are a cut above the rest counterpart on which is one stars and you can get on I tunes now but it's not available for streaming service which is A. Bummer hope. It comes to one time so people can see it Chernobyl on HBO spectacularly good Sex Education Net flicks so great title puts you off at the premise. Push off give it give it a shot. It's some it's incredibly good when I keep saying about it is it. It has empathy for every character in it and that is rare and what we do in the shadows the vampire comedy on Fx. It is hilarious. But watchmen wins. Yes got to write. The winner of this category is definitely watchmen. Just really cool superb. Nicely done television. Show Tom. Shall we talk about Let's talk about What was the runner up of the category for all mankind in the Mand Lorient? Does that work for you sure. Yeah let's go with that favorite book. I get to pick because Mike doesn't read books. I don't read books but the up gradients vote it thusly TM wrath wrath by James Essay Corey with two percent of the vote. Homeless Bangle series is from the experience. Yes thank you permanent. RECCO by Edward Snowden which I see him as a memoir four point two percent and by relay. FM HOSTS DAN MOURN. The BIENNE agenda was six point eight percent of the vote The a sequel to upgrade your winner of the Caledonian game but down wanting two thousand. Seventeen what I'm saying is if you're a novelist you should get to. Yeah no US. Yeah you may win woods yeah I had I sorta listed five here Tim Rath I put on that. That's actually a return to form for that series. I thought the last book was a little bit weird but Book eight of nine was very good. the the Barron Agenda of course has to be on my short list becoming superman by Jay Michaels trzcinski which is a memoir. It is an amazing using story about a terrible childhood that he had to become a successful Hollywood screenwriter after the life that he led us child is amazing using the MVP machine which is a really great view into how modern sports science is changing in this case baseball but I think it's applicable to a lot of different sports in house. Sports is really radically changing at a fundamental level now about how they treat the athletes and analyze them and train them. It was really an interesting book and another novel. The cruel stars by John Birmingham which I could not have enjoyed more. It's a wide screen space opera With a bunch of different characters in threat from the from the outside an ancient evil returns and the only person who can stop it is a crusty old prospector. Basically on on the planet. A lot of fun. I don't know what to do to to pick a winner here The see what are we pick last year. Last year was the calculate calculating starts. So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA pick my so with all of those as as as nominees. I think I'm GonNa go well short. Should we give it to Dan again. If the AIN'T GONNA AIN'T GONNA expect it and we're GonNa Dan the hall of fame if we just pick his book every time I'm just GONNA I'm GonNa go with the best Discovery I made because I view this kind of A. Here's a here's a book. Here's a novel you you might enjoy award and so I'm going to choose a trail of lightning by Rebecca Roan Horse which is a book one. It was known for the Hugo Nebula awards. I really enjoyed it book. One in a series that is starting but it's a great standalone novel called the series here is called six world but trail of lightning. That's the one if you're looking for a novel to read that's Jason's annual novel suggestion trail of lightning it is buffy the vampire entire slayer except she's Navajo and it's after a global warming caused apocalypse that has made most of the modern world fall apart but the Navajo nation is on the upswing. Unfortunately the apocalypse seems to have also opened the gateway to the return of powerful full beings from mythology. And but. But it's a it's a teenage girl. WHO's a monster hunter? And doesn't I love it but it's her job and it's great so the winner is trial of lightning with the nominee by end the Byron agenda. Yeah Eh up. I should say Dan more end. Go go buy it at bookstores. Now because now this episode why this up social support to Kensington. We're about to move into the hardware. Some of the hardware picks tech focused picks. We are out of the woods of media until we get to PUTT costing later on. 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Visit Kensington Dot com slash upgrade right now to checkout Kensington Line of products that's Kensington Dot com slash upgrade to love more our thanks to Kensington for the support of this show real. FM and the upgrading awards. And we move into Jason talking about the favorite apple product of the year. Entrusting one this. The gradients of fourteen point seven percent of the vote when the iphone eleven WPRO at seventeen point one percent of the vote. Unsurprisingly is the sixteen inch Mac book pro with of course the number of like like you bought and at a huge twenty nine I g i. I'm wrong in what I said earlier. This is the single. Highest percentage win Bumping over accustomed yet gradients at nearly a third twenty nine percent twenty nine point eight percent in fact the of the vote for the favorite apple product of the year is eh. Yeah pods pro Jason. What was your favorite APP? Lets you Air Pods pro. Gets my vote again. I'm I'm surprised just as I was with the original like the people who make this product within apple they are killing it. They're doing job. It is are skeptical in your headphones. Owns with noise. Canceling has gonNA work. And I've been using them since they came out and they're great and I wouldn't want to go back to the original air pods on the I loved the original airports like these even more I think it's you know an easy choice. The MAC pro sixteen is not really my cup of tea. It's great that they replaced the keyboard but also they could have made it. It's the rectifying mistake from three years ago after three years of sitting out there and the iphones. They're all great They it's. It's a nice cycle for them but it's it is an upgrade cycle. None of them is new and For me Air Pods pro. Is My Choice Fisher. But what did you want. You'RE NOT GONNA get any argument from May about how incredible airports pro are. But I'm actually putting the iphone eleven. Pro It's my vote this year because I am genuinely surprised. How much of an improvement on his phone is and a couple of areas so these are the things that we've been talking about the whole time since the phone was I debuted? What makes his own different? The camera improvements in the battery life. But just how much of an improvement they are for me is so significantly more than previous years is that they've made. I mean these are the things they want to improve all the time right camera performance and battery life but they are so good. The camera and battery on on this phone is so freaking. Good like I just went away for the holidays and I was able to use my phone like on travel days like getting on planes and big heavy usage days. I didn't charge my phone at all. And this has never been the case before the I've been able to get through. who like a heavy usage travel bay without needing to charge my phone? I can see it in screen. Time took like eight to nine plus loss hours of phone usage in a day without charging like that is bonkers good. I am so so happy with the performance of this phone and I am just totally in love with a camera like it is so good like Avin the choice of the three lenses but then also just like all of the processing apple's doing on the chips like I absolutely loved the iphone eleven pro like way more than I would have expected but I am not going to fight for it to be the winner of episodes pro because there that is a superb product. Wise choice so the runner up for lovie favorite apple product of the year is your phone. Eleven pro with the winner. Being the EPI- Bro. So now we move into the best non apple products so the best product as used by up gradients and me and Jason not made by apple this year. The upgradings voted two point two percent for the bridge keyboard. We we have an entry here that I will mention but will not be included which is two point. Three percent is the Motorola Razor. Nobody's used this because it's not out yet but it is a really cool looking thing. We'll talk about this at some point in the future probably a two point. Six percent is the Tesla cyber truck. which kind of makes me a little bit upset? I think similar reasons. Nobody's used it but we'll keep keep going on and Nintendo switch light up five point two percent of the vote this is. The new Nintendo switch introduced this year. Which is purely portable And Nisa smaller design doesn't connect to a TV that kind of thing Jason. What is your favorite non apple product of the year? I kind of struggled with this one. It's difficult category. Sorry because I mean really. It's a non apple product who cares Jason. Well look look at what was nominated donated for by the F.. Gradients I asked intend us which is a corporate let and the bridge Cubans really cold to two in the middle. I'm a little bit frustrated about because nobody's used either of these things but such such is life so this time last year I got a new product in my life. It was not made by apple new piece of hardware it it has It has proven over the year to be useful throughout my house except for rooms that I don't let it go into it is it's a product that that moves. It doesn't move me. It literally moves itself. It is On its keeps its heart heart close to the ground because it's a vacuum cleaner. I nominate for best non Apple Product. My Roomba okay. Now can I just confirm uh we nominate. Yes your own personal Roomba all the Roomba Line that you purchased. Let's let's say the Rue we'll just say the Roomba in general uh-huh yeah robot robot vacuum cleaners. Because I have one and I have seen the I wanNA save Roomba but going of Roomba because we are also in the room but family so I don't want to give it to overbook. Vacuum can cleaners. Because this is what one of those holy war things with will tell you why you should buy this show me one instead so I wanna go completely with Bruneta which happy with because I love my Roomba is named Ruby and we love her. Jason shouldn't be a surprise to you or anybody else for my favorite non apart do it. It is the Samsung Samsung Galaxy. Fault now I have more to say about the galaxy. Fold later on in this episode. Today I have very worst. Worst Chris. Gadget is coming up and tech. Screw up coming up. So there's lots of good categories for the galaxy. Fold you quite your mouth. The Samsung Galaxy fault is a fantastic technology product. It for me feels like the future whether people want or not. It is such a fascinating thing to us. I I love it. It's people won't believe me when I say. This is an incredibly well-made thing. It feels significant it is is beautifully put together. I love my galaxy fault and I think that it is a super exciting product. But I'm not gonNA bother explaining anymore to people that don't want to listen so I think we're going to go with the runners up being the Nintendo switch light the Samsung Galaxy falled and Roomba. Let's hear it for the Roomba And now what I wanted to do was cut to the room and like and now with the acceptance speech. Here's the room and it just makes up that whining noise that it makes no no. If you'd make the little dude. Yeah charge room. Oh No Roomba is stuck okay. Let's move into the next category which is four worst gadget or most disappointing technology of twenty nineteen five point seven percent of the vote in Iowa. Thirteen nine percent of the vote is Google Pixel four and I combined both the Samsung Galaxy fault foldable in general to nineteen percent of the vote. Now Jason I would like to address something here because I'm frustrated at this And frustrated at the up gradients. Are you turn the chair around. And you have a serious talk with you go backwards and the chest going around. And I'm I'm sitting on the check her out with us a little bit. Okay now look this. Is the wrong category for this. Because these nineteen percent of people have they used these devices vices. Because I think to be disappointed or to some calls something the worst gadget you have to have had some kind of experience with it in my opinion and I genuinely genuinely believe that if you have used these devices you would not say that they are incredibly disappointing. Now we WANNA talk about favorite text. Grew up for the galaxy fault. Would you probably will like. I am open to have that discussion. Because there's something really interesting to talk about in there but I won't accept the Galaxy Fault as the most disappointing Technology Ritchie this year. I just won't accept so that is the point that I'm making. We can maybe come back there and a little bit but I have now turned the chair back around again Jason. Do you WanNa tell me your nominations. Nominations Wow now the DAD is forbidden. Yup the choice of the data's just he's just told you that he's unhappy. Okay I I have two nominees because this is worst gadget slash most disappointing tech and I'm going to nominate one in each of those Okay worst gadget. And it doesn't make better that there are now ads with the muppets trying to get you to by one. facebook makes a thing you stick in your house. That has a camera and a microphone so that you can talk to other people using facebook. It is design facebook. Port Portal is the worst gadget. Do not allow hardware from facebook in your house. You already own a device that lets you do this. Yes you really want to talk to people videos your facebook messenger just use the facebook messenger APP like what. What does anybody need this hardware device for wild and to come from the least trustworthy company in the world Facebook don't do it so that's worse gadget. It might be it might be. I don't know about the build quality I don't know about the video quality I don't care it's the worst gadget you should never by most disappointing tech. I'm GONNA say that catalyst because not not necessarily entirely. Its own although. I think that we're all disappointed that it didn't seem to progress very much. From what Steve Trump and Smith figured out about the one that was in Mohave Mojave didn't seem to progress. A lot didn't get helped by the Rocky Iowa. Thirteen transition to mention one of upgrading gradient nominees that we have there are a lot fewer catalyst APPs than we thought there would be. I think part of that is because developers ended up spending a lotta time fixing addressing all the bugs and I was thirteen and then having to address new features in Iowa thirteen and catalyst is sort of like out there but I really thought that we would see a whole bunch of APPs embracing catalyst in going to the Mac this fall and while there were some there. Were not that many and I would say that it is about as disappointing as as you could get my vote is for IOS team this year. It was a nightmare nightmare. It was just a nightmare. Disaster of I was released in new and interesting ways right like the iphone comes out virus thirteen on it but it's not really available for all the devices that should have Iowa's thirteen and if you update to it some terrible things may have happened to you. So many features were pushed to later later in the year and of what they shipped. It was full of bugs full of problems like I os thirteen still we. This point in the year with are still features that have yet to be released. That was showing off in June. It has been a very bad. IOS release. I'm up and so like I'll say for the Google Pixel four is an interesting one further west gadget or most disappointing because it was a disappointing product like it did not ship. With a lot of the features people would have wanted to say a facebook portal which was aimed runner up in two thousand eighteen. But there's been new versions of it. This year doesn't really battery continues to be the worst gauge continues to. It'd be very don't buy as long as it's being sold the don't buy it kid like you know the the worst gadget award brought to you by facebook portal. We see them up at Allo conflicted on this one right because I obviously I believe I was thirteen to be very disappointing but I will also say that Matt Catalyst is a really good nomination sadness because it should have been so much more and I think the fault lies on apple with this one but I think they basically torpedoed it themselves. elves with the announcement of swifty. Y which even makes it even more disappointing So where do you WanNa go with this one. Jason well I I just as as we were getting here I realized I should have catalyst in this list and I gotta say as much as I enjoy kicking facebook and I agree that I was thirteen. Hip problems like there is not a better. You will not find a better example of a disappointment this year technologically than Matt Catalyst so I think we should give it to matt catalyst. The runners up for the worst gadget most disappointing technology of two thousand nineteen two time runner up. facebook Portal Iowa's Iowa's thirteen and the winner of the most disappointing technology. This year is Mac catalyst. I think it makes a very good pick and like you're surprised I didn't think of it but maybe that's the point right. We didn't even think of it. Because catalyst kind of wimpy its way through the year like yeah I it was set up to be big and then both in its implementation and in the fact that apple took all of the attention and put it on swift you I Thereby making us all wonder kind of like what the point is of mcq catalyst and if it's really something that factors in there In in their future plans. It's it's it's weird and disappointing all right so that comes to some innocent disappointments but we have some technology stories that we're GONNA be talking about now next round categories. This episode is brought to you by Leonard with Leonard you can instantly deploy a manage an SSD server in the cloud and get everything up and running and seconds of your own choice of Lennox destroyer resources and note. Location LYNYRD has hundreds of thousands of customers narrow looked-after by their incredible friendly twenty four seven support team. 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Jason Yes all right so we now get into a favorite tech story of the year era and the up gradients voted. thusly was seven point two percent of the vote is the cyber truck and this includes not just its announcement but also kind of some of the hilarious things that happened during his introduction made it a favorite story of many people seven point. Four percent of the vote was the introduction of the sixteen inch Mac book pro pro and thirteen point two percent of the vote of favorite tech story of the year. Moxie up gradients is the introduction of the MAC pro the Macintosh tauch professional machine. Jason what is your vote of the most Interesting of your favorite tech story issue. I'm getting a little Conceptual here but I my favorite texture of the year is the increase in mainstream understanding that privacy issues involving technology especially the The privacy personalized information. That leaks from your smartphone becoming that coming mainstream mainstream understanding you saw presidential candidates talk about it. There have been a bunch of stories in the mainstream press about trying to educate people on just how leaky a smartphone can be in in terms of your location and being able to plot you and identify you and your where you are on a map and what you do and tying it all together you know the there's recently there was a New York Times opinion piece about it. There was a New York Times Investigation piece earlier we've seen like with GDP stuff and with the new laws is that are coming into effect for California a lot of ideas about like data who owns the data and data privacy and all of that this seems to be unlike something like new net net neutrality which basically kind of has always been this esoteric thing that people don't really understand and it's hard to explain. I feel like this is a tech issue that has as as has finally hit the mainstream to a certain extent and people are starting to wake up and hopefully be concerned about how they're mm how their data's being used and that's encouraging because if people don't care about it nothing will ever happen and it is a big issue. So I'm encouraged. which by that so that for me just a broader understanding of all the privacy issues that are out there is my Story of the year my story of the year. Where is the rise of foldable? Joel screen phones. Oh boy yeah. Galaxy failed Motorola Razor surface. GIO IN NEO now. These are some of my favorite things to talk about this year. Because I think this is really cool technology and I think that as the year has gone on. We've seen lots of unique ways of having stuff like this. I mean this also comes into the fact that there has been controversy around these devices right like I really enjoyed the the Samsung Galaxy folds olds will go and kaput like when when they first shown out to review is like. I think it's been really interesting. Trend of this year of watching how multiple companies have been approaching this including the Microsoft devices. Did you own neo. which I'm also really excited about? That is just another way of doing this. Type of idea is slightly different in writing foldable. In that way that you'll screens but the idea of taking a device doing something to it to give you more or less screen real estate. I think is a really interesting interesting thing. That's happened this year so we have three very different options. Yeah so we had the MAC pro understanding of privacy and foldable phones. I I like your pick quite low. I think is an when important thing and it has definitely been something. That's been building over the last couple of years but again is like is becoming fever pitch type type stuff off the Sierra right leg people getting it Moi seeing more and hopefully will be the beginning of people thinking about their privacy more so I'm totally happy to give like the idea of mainstream privacy issues. The technology stuff is the winner of this category. Do you agree. Yep Yup great thank you. So of the favorite tech story of two thousand nineteen is the understanding of technology privacy. I think we'll call it that. How does that okay sounds great? This is the big picture winner is usually that right yes. It's usually something like that. It should be a trend. If not there's like some some very specific think thing which would have happened right so like lost years was apple spoiling the September bad Urals. Great for Oh that was overreaching. smartphones like the essential phone and the red hydrogen one which history prove property. Right on. Both of those phones are now dead because to stay just didn't didn't walk there are there are bad ideas. One of my favorite categories favorite texts grew up of the year Eight point two percent of the votes is just the word facebook. They continue to screw up. Nothing's Asif last at last year's winner by the way facebook the actually lost us when it was the was Powell. Wasn't it no air power one. The most I disappointing tech worst gadget. Category Heck screw up was facebook. Privacy Scandals So that was more specific last time. This year is just facebook is going going to percents Sixteen point two percent was when the window smashed during the cyber truck presentation which was a terrible screw up the moment now but the obvious winner of the upgradings vote at twenty four point. Nine percent is the Samsung Galaxy fault. When all of the funds broke that were given given out to Press reviews. Yeah so this is this is my nomination as well so I'm I'm in line with the upgrades here. The press roll out so now you have Samsung Galaxy fold. You nominated it for best non apple product. I am going to be specific here because I haven't used it and say my favorite text group of the year was the press roll out for the Samsung Galaxy. Fold where Samsung had a product that was brand new and all eyes are on them and and the the was it was not ready. It was an absolute failure in a myriad of different ways. It seems to have not been properly. Tested MHM but instead just shipped to professional technology reviewers who immediately broke it for lots of reasons that are not not acceptable. Like using it and it broke and you have to ask yourself. Why did they not test that? How did they fail to test it? And why would you send send something. You hadn't tested out to the press to the point where presses writing all stories about how it breaks they have to take it back it gets pulled off sale. It's it's no longer going to be sold. Ah There's no date they have to redesign parts of the phone and then put it back out there and the phone that you've got is actually redesigned from what the reviewers got because it wasn't ready and how do you do that just it. It is a spectacular screw up and I don't know you know the combination Asian truly unique combination of arrogance and clueless. NECE has to go into something like that happening. It was spectacular breathtaking. It was purely Hughley because I think they were trying to rush to be wally song so stupid and doing that because the way phone has still yet to come out outside of China China because it is plagued with so many more potentials to break because the screen falls on the outside. It's way more likely to get damage. Image now that right yes. Congratulations Jason Your amendment. Valley folds like I am going to you say that my favorite technology screw up was power because this was the year that apple was was committed to being dead officially killed and and I just think that this was just stupid of Apple. Like they'd just really messed this one up big time I think just a they never should have announced it it and then they shouldn't have left it just being this like thing that would be referenced. You know people digging through but it's referenced in this guide printed in this obviously are holding holding out. Hope that they were going to be able to turn it around until they finally killed it. what they should it on was announced it and never spoke about until they killed it but not only did they announce it way too soon. They kept referencing. It all over the place thinking that it was definitely coming out and then they had to like to sell no sorry not only do we not have this product. There's nothing like it and end by this one for Murphy. I guess but the best text grew up this year is the Samsung Galaxy followed. Press roll out. It was an absolute nightmare So I am totally happy to give that like the that the as the winner of the favorite texts corrupt of the year is a Samsung Galaxy. Fault with A. I'm going to say runner up their power. All Right Jason Moving on our our most life changing hardware purchase or that has entered all life this year. The upgradings voted thusly seven point. Five percent is for episodes. Eleven point five percent is for the Apple Watch and at twelve point. Six percent is the airports pro. Pretty good yeah. I basically for this one they. It was like Apple. Watch people like serious four series five. I'd just lump them all in together. That made the most sense. Because I don't think really for you to have your life changed by an Apple Watch. It doesn't necessarily have to be one model or another right like it is kind of just the idea of what this product can do for you. Of course we have two who episodes in the in the nominations here. What did you go for? I my my most life exchanging hardware the year. I decided Not the Roomba we already said we love the Roomba. The smart lock the Yale assure smart lock that I installed old earlier this year I was a real smart lock skeptic like seriously like why would you get one and then I got one for some very particular reasons and it's great. It's not perfect but by replacing the deadbolt with a smart lock not only. Do I have a keypad that you can just entering a code and come come and go and it's perfectly reasonable but You know it is smart so yeah it can be tied into my home automation. Mostly the feature that I use is not quite a home kit feature it's a Bluetooth proximity feature where I'm walking up to my door and it recognizes that My my phone is back. It has been gone. And now it's back and unlocks the door. And that's pretty cool. When you've got your arms full of groceries and you walk up to the door automatically unlocks for you? That's really nice too so it that has been a pleasant Positive life changing experience. I am going to to nominate the airports pro in this because being able to control outside outside noise at my whim right when in environments where I may be I want to hear less noise like on a plane being able to do that with something. That's so small and just sits in my ears and comfortable for me It's really made a huge difference on my life over the last few months and I absolutely love this product for that reason. Well it sounds like that's we've got our winner. Yeah we will put Jason Smart Smart Luck Doc as the Aurora up yeah. I'm going to call this. We will officially call this Jason Smart Luck because the because I think it's fun to referred back to what is one of my favorite nominations which in two thousand fourteen. The winner of this category was just Jason's daughters iphone. which I think it's just not right like it was just like very specific so we will call this Jason Smart luck the runner up for most life changing hardware but the airports pro is the winner of this this category because they really fantastic fantastic product and well about that Jason Apples pros one two categories? That seems seems about right. They are really great. Thank they are really great but that might be the first time that's ever happened in the upgrades. Though the something one two categories in the same year two separate categories. It's quite impressive. All right we're GONNA move into the final round kind of of winners which I think for a lot of people is like the favourite categories which is the podcast relate to categories favourite tech podcast favorite non tech podcast and favourite conce newcomer to round out the twenty nine teen upgrades awards but before we do that. 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Is this very show upgrade. I still maintain that. Of course everybody. Every upgrading would vote for upgrade. But they may be no. We wouldn't give the upgradable to ourselves. I hope so. Otherwise it's really sad that our Our listeners don't pick us but it would be one hundred percent of the vote Jason. I'm sure of it and twenty three point. Four percent of the vote law. She has winner connected. which is a show that I we do here on relay? FM and we should know this point. Of course the accidental tech podcast is the lifetime achievement award winner of this category. I do do not have a vote in this category for two reasons one. ATP is my favorite tech show all of the architecture. As I listened to them. I don't feel right. Nominating a relay. FM Show it just so some feel fast. So don't do it Jason. Do you have any nominations issue. I do I am going to nominate two shows that are One of them is tech one of MS arguably tech. And I'm going to try to sneak it in so I really am automakers Which which is a nice show with Rosemary and David about Automated things on computers. I like it I heard about it. Very dislike is a very specific focus in a show but is executed while they have loads of like additional no material today poetry of every episode as well to help make a few to adopt the automations. Talking about is really well mate. It's a great show yeah and and from the BBC. Maybe you've heard of it. It's thirteen minutes to the moon. which was there a documentary series about Apollo eleven and Focusing because this was the fiftieth anniversary of Apollo Eleven for the moon landing and it focused on The thirteen minutes of powered descent from orbit to the lunar surface. That was the concept which as somebody who has a space podcast and tried to figure girl how to cover Apollo Eleven. I was very impressed with the angle that they came up with here and this is why I actually call it a technology podcast because so much of what's going on in that thirty minutes. It's it's amazing from a human perspective. WHO's in the room How they got their what their history is? How young so many of them are but for me? It's also a technology podcast because it really is about how that that thing was put together. How information got relayed how the computer worked worked? which is if you've ever read or heard anything about the Apollo computer? It's bananas how that thing is was made and how it worked and what the interface was and there is in fact a whole episode believe about the Apollo Guidance Computer. That's fantastic episode. So those are my those. This is my nominees thirteen minutes to the Moon and auditors. So what do we do with this whole category. I don't know I mean I I've giving you a non-real a slightly out of our Out of our category. I won't vote for him show but I would also oh love of real anthem show to win. Especially when I'm on just saying but I'm not going to be the person to victory over the top boy. If we chose connected it wouldn't be the lifetime winner would it no So you know. We'll be two years in a row the Well I I. I'm serious I think the BBC podcast was fantastic. That's a reasonable tech podcast. Or if I'm I'm messing that up up for you tell me I think we have not specimens -nology what tech podcast is. That said. I I think that when we talk about what we mean by tech podcast. I think we all main this type of show. You were doing right now right. I think that's the kind of thing with thinking about. I haven't listened to thirteen minutes to the moon but I expected is not like our show. This is not like our show like a couple of individuals. Talking about something Molina Allergy and I consider myself a purist surest in what I think technology pus to be an would feel strange. Not Giving giving it to one of the other four shows mentioned here. All right and while Zack mentions that welcome to Macintosh is not show like house which I agree with but focuses on things so specific to the stuff that we talk about. I feel like it's maybe the furthest we would take that step up outside right like still talking about Macintosh computers still has people like Jason Snell and episodes right like fills like it is a stretch outside where thirty minutes to the moon is could be argued. Maybe it's like a history technology. podcast which is maybe a slightly different thing would maybe fit really well and it. It is DEF- okay so like basically I feel like we're appoint him will. We're kind of like maybe as is usual on this show potentially redefining what we think of in the category but ah I feel like the the previous winners in this category fit a type of show that we make right but if we go lon long enough with those definitions than were just going very slowly induct every show from relay or by people exactly the hall of fame. Exactly which is why I'm saying like we can. I'm just saying that when I approached this category. That's what I'm thinking of but it doesn't mean ass stay that way but then we know that we're opening up a little bit more. Aw Yeah I would be okay opening it up a little bit more than let's do it. Okay Thirteen minutes to the moon is yeah of the regulations graduations to that That gritty up and coming. Don't change your mind if you finish that sentence. 'cause you know like that's making it worse for me to be like. Oh what's the best first poker tech podcast of the year it was the BBC. I'm changing my mind on this one because this kind of thing annoys me actually Jason. We've we've tearing up the book because I have the problem with this now. We have now as I finished that sentence. Because we're like approaching the end of the decade right so all these articles are being written. And we're talking. What about like what's the best technology podcast a year and like the most probably some of the most popular technology? PODCASTS are ignored because they're not made by a big IT company potentially based in New York City or is the BBC based New York City. I had no idea I am being very specific about it anyway. Congratulations since two automakers give it. Automates and thirteen minutes to the moon is a great runner up but I cannot do it i. I can't bring myself to do it because I am a purist connected. We'll take the position. So automakers congratulations. You are the favourite tech podcast of the year. who get or on coming from with that though I do okay? Let's talk about our favorite. I've written on Tech podcast of the the upgradings voted a such with three point. Four percent of the vote is reconcilable. Differences with seven percent of the vote is hello Internet and eighteen. Point one percent of the vote goes to do by Friday one of you chase them Dubai Friday by the way last year's winner in this category sound like one of those one one of those people who talks while the people coming up to the stage on the Oscars. That's that's due by far Friday's a previous nominee in this category yet. The flop-houses is a lifetime. I tapered winner. Well you know I know how you don't like the optics of awarding podcasts. Made by giant media entities and. That's why my favorite non tech podcast of the year was HBO's Chernobyl Pot doesn't care about that in general it's purely holy tech podcast. We're talking about favorite non tech podcast last year the now the good place. PODCAST was a runner-up right and and it was newcomer. It was the newcomer comer winner. But Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah so I. I don't think it's GonNa win. But it was probably my favorite new new favorite non tech podcast. This year. I for those. Who Haven't it was on my list? Chernobyl where my top shows the year as a miniseries and turnover podcast with Peter Segal from NPR. Talking to Craig Mazin. WHO's the Co host of the script? And it's podcast with John August so you may have known him from that. He wrote Chernobyl. All of it was the executive producer of it and they went through episode by episode and talked about the process and what went into making it to writing and it was like the good place. podcast it was a really interesting drill down. It was not a marketing vehicle and I really appreciate that it was. That's a kind of show with the trying to depict a historical event that getting the understanding of why it was made the way it was is it was really rewarding so I thought they did a great job with that one. Didn't see the show and listen to the podcast so they have anything to say on this one. Let's okay because you're going to agree agree with the upgradings. Aren't you well. I am because yeah do by Friday. It's my favorite show so I loved Friday. It's hilarious and I learn things about American politics from so I really enjoy it. It's very well made and they do a lot of things to do by Friday. I guess similar feeling about. Stick me on this one about Dubai. Fridays I get about our show because one of the things I love about Dubai Friday you have to stick me on on this one of the things I love about two by Friday is they are very creative in a back door way of announcing that our co host for twenty twenty he is Alexandra. Elizabeth Cox no because that would be a surprise to me. It will be a surprise to everyone. Love Alex but this is our show but but what I love about Dubai Friday ready. is they very frequently. Go outside of what you expect them to do. And do something weird and fun and I think we do that a lot right so I think one of the reasons I love do by Friday because it is a show that is very creative and they take lots of twists and turns when making the show and I think we do that like like the last two episodes of the year right and the entire summer and the drafts right like I think we do lots of weird and one of the things which is why I love this show. Oh and it's one of the things. I love about Dubai Friday as well. So upgrade is the winner favorite nontechnical. No no that's not what I'm saying so I have no skin in the game when it comes to Digenova podcast no Dubai. Friday is going to be a two-time winner and that's That's exciting because it's on. The verge of being kicked out of the category for being too good. It might not be a bad thing to try and get it kicked out because the two by Friday audience mobilize. I had to kick them into gear a little bit Jason. This is some of the stuff that we don't know about you. And here's some some salacious information about this year. I do did you by Friday. Discord thing that exists for patrons and they mobilized to vote for Dubai Friday and I had to come in and and and establish some rules with the Dubai Friday Friday audience. Because I thought you were going to do by Friday and that was going to be great. That'd be a great word and I had to go in and basically say to them. They needed to effectively. They voted for Dubai. Friday in every category which I wasn't happy with because doesn't doesn't make any sense and causes more work for me because I have to remove the votes right. Yes when through so I had to go in there and say okay. Dubai Fried Audience feel free to vote thaw by Friday as the favorite non tech podcast but even just vote that Ovo in every category as well they listen to me. I removed the incorrect votes and they started over and they did their thing and then they. They made correct voting for Dubai Friday so I love this show. The audience are very very engaged in the upgrades because they want their favorite show to win. which can I can definitely attest to? And I'm pleased that they listened to me so that we are now so if we didn't restate snowball podcast is a runner. Up and do by Friday is the winner of the favorite non tech podcast of the year making two time winner in this category but Jason a three time winner overall as one of the favorite podcast newcomer comer in two thousand sixteen. So make it do by Friday. Might end up with like the most wins of any property if it wins next year because it will have four total whole awards and will become lifetime achievement. That wouldn't that be an interesting factoid. So do by Friday and you know what they need to do. I guess I guess so. Final final category of the evening is fully favorite podcast newcomer. The up gradients voted as as such with six point. Five percent is adapt from relay. FM nine point nine percent is way form which is the MVP HD podcast and seventeen point seven percent is the puck has has to headed gull hosted by Alex and Matt Cox. You may understand what happened here as one of the reasons that this show is a seventeen point seven percent. You know we can talk about that Jason. Would you like to tell me what your favorite podcast newcomer the ears. Why everybody can just listen to what I said The previous category because my favorite podcast newcomer was the podcast. Only existed in twenty nineteen. So my I have to. I want to talk about. And they are the top two winners for the from the up gradients so way. FORM IS MK. PhD's new tech. Show I think the show is still finding its place a little bit. Which is why I didn't vote for is my favorite tech because it isn't yet but it's one of my favorite shows that came out in the last year I enjoy every episode but they had a rocky start from kind of they they had some tech issues like funnily enough they had to audio issues and they were kind of like the host so it's m. k. b. h. e. Marquez Brownlee and Go Andrew Magneti who is like help in with a bunch of like I think like basically his right hand man in his production deduction of youtube videos has a really good mixture of tech topics they focus on a Lotta stuff that like not focus on on the other shows that are listen to because they're not solely apple apple focused but they also talk about technology in many other areas and I really like it branches out into some interesting places listened to every episode of enjoyed every episode it. It is one of my favorite new shows of this year. The other show that I really enjoy is to headed gull. which is the show which is voted for by the up gradients so this is a show in which Alex Mack Cox took about a bunch of issues but is centered around gender transition from the F. T. M. female to male gender transition which Matt Cox has been going through a couple of years? It is a very well produced show using they've been recording for this show for like two years but it started this year so they have like all of these recordings that they've done over time which is amazing especially in this one episode with a talking about about testosterone and Hurricane Change Your Voice and they have clips of Matt's voice over the. Yes how he's changed. which is just a beautiful like use of the medium the theme of this? Show the whole reason for this show existing and also touches on areas like mental health. But it's mostly focused around gender. It is important to me because I as a person wants to better understand some of the struggles that people in the LGBTQ Tq community. Go through. So I am able to be a person who can better emphasis emphasis empathize and not be stuck in the past and this show helps me that like this. This is something which is becoming more and more important today for good reason and I want to make sure that I can do my best to understand it and this show helps me that and it's also so very funny and heart warming because it can be really interesting to hear a married couple be tough on each other kind of fight and also be cute together is is a really sometimes challenging but sometimes hot warming show which is helping me learn something and I think make me about a person which is why also gets assimilation from me. Jason sounds good. Well it's you and the gradients slash Dubai Friday ends so that sounds like our winter so to headed girl is the winner. Uh Of the twenty nine thousand nine favorite puncog newcomer with the PUCK castaways. Being the bridesmaid into back. This makes Alex Cox Fox a formidable upgrade Ian up grady. Win a here. Four of Grady of Grady. This is interesting right so alex is taken home now. Four awards in total. So Alex is coming for Marco. Yeah because I guess Marco has six toe all right with three eighty three out of a cost and now Alex has four total for two headed gall to end three Tofu by Friday but in different categories stuff any statistics. I know India and the upgrading. But that's what happens when you have been doing something for six years that's right that's right that's why you were so excited with the first annual Because it counseling shout out to Our our departed categories. We retired favorite. Mike Movies Because only one this it didn't make any sense and and I'm always amused that our first year we did a best vertical category because that was the thing right. That was a joke that we made in the first forty forty episodes of the show was the verticals but the verticals became segments. Now they all real things. Yeah so anyway. Congratulations to a Hoy. Telephone the one and only winner of best vertical. What about holiday gifts this year? Oh no you're putting me on the spot socks okay. I've got a really nice chef's knife that's nice. Yeah the reason we we removed the best holiday gift is because the recording time kept changing exa sometimes recorded before the holidays so we all this so great. Yeah so I also want to give a thanks. Shout out to Zach Knox who puts together upgrades grady's DOT COM. Which is where you can go and find Zach also you may be familiar with all the interactive scorecards for the drafts that we do every year so he can go. I should also congratulate Jason. SNELL will win the draft competition again. Thank you yes. We're officially done. Now the board is cleared. That can be no more drafts. That's right so so good work on winning yet again one year JC. I'm going to take that home. We're going to keep doing upgraded till I win. That doesn't mean the show will end. But I'm GonNa he's doing around. You have to throw the draft no well. That's that's when I lose the draft. You'll know something's up then I need to be the one who worries so thanks so much to listening a happy New Year to you all out there as we're ending the upgrades with the end of this year into the two thousand twenty. Thanks so much to the UP. Gradients for listening to this show rest and also Ford submitting their votes. So many of you which is an amazing thing. Congratulations to all of our winners of the annual upgrading awards. And we'll be back next time in two thousand twenty so many things that I need to talk to you about in the next episode recorded a regular episode. What feels like a very very long time at this point so thanks again to our sponsors as well? Smile Kensington. Ethos and Lynyrd Again if you WANNA find links to to the nominees and winners of every category go to upgrades DOT COM. Who will be back next time until then Sega by GES and snow? Happy New Year everybody